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There is no luck to get in touch with the a company by phone - you can get automaticly only options to get information about the service, to registrate the account and to cancel, but you can cancel ONLY if you give the password, which you are getting ONLY in registration.
So from the begining this service of this company is created to trick people. The worth thing is - the company is useing people's banking informatio nwhich NEVER was provided to them and makes not-authorized charges using it .
This is a crime.
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Why isn't Long more upset when boat people drown?
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Three out of three panellists on The Drum - funded by taxpayers on the condition it be balanced - agree that the Opposition is being mean to boat people and making a fuss about nothing.
But one, ABC economics correspondent Stephen Long, goes further. He has a spooky ability to see into the heart of the Coalition immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, and detect an evil impulse that - fortuitously - relieves him of any need to actually discuss the merit of Morrison's argument that weak border laws are encouraging crooks, fake refugees, massive cost blowouts and hundreds of deaths at sea. From 18:57:
I think that it is a cynical manipulation of an underlying prejudice in the Australian community and that it has very little policy merit. It is fraught with problems and it is really awful actually and I think Scott Morrison in particular as a spokesman in this area has just pushed way beyond acceptability in a way that he is willing to pander and manipulate that level of prejudice in what is essentially a racist manner. He is my local member in the electorate for Cronulla, the scene of the Cronulla riots ... [cross chatter, inaudible]
But hang on they don't want people getting on boats, that is what they say, they don't want to see the kind of tragedies that we saw with Christmas Island and nobody wants to see that do they? People don't want that to happen.
Yeah but they are not actually, they are not actually looking in a humane way at how you deal with it. They are not dealing with the fact that 90% of people who arrive here who don't have a right to stay in this country and may or may not be refugees actually come by plane. And I just don't believe that it is motivated by humanitarian purposes what they are trying to do and I also believe as was very articulately outlined by Jessie Taylor that the whole idea of documentation being enforced in the way that they do just doesn't make sense.
So Morrison is a racist representing racists at Cronulla. Case closed. Brain, too.
This argument-by-smear is, of course, contemptible. But two can play that game.
Let's look at Long's argument. He clearly prefers our border laws to remain weak, despite the unambiguous evidence that this weakness has lured hundreds of people to their deaths.
So why is Long apparently more indifferent than Morrison to the deaths of boat people? Is it that they are 'just' Afghans and Iranians? Would Long have a different attitude of those dying were white Christians? Is he a racist, or something? I mean, he does live in Cronulla.
Unpleasant when your technique is turned against you, right, Stephen? Outrageous, even.
Maybe now you might understand how foully you've behaved.
If Morrison is the racist you paint, why does he:
- support high immigration?
- support foreign workers on 457 visas?
- support our refugee intake?
- denounce real racism?
If Long really wanted to denounce comments giving comfort to racists, he had a far more promising person to grill, sitting right next to him.
I understand Morrison will get an on-air apology on The Drum tonight.
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We should just ferry them across and be done with it. This way we won't be racist.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:25pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:32pm)
What about opening a centrelink office in Indonesia that doesn't require papers to receive benefits. That way the illegals don't have to rush to get here for the over supply of public housing. That should please Stephen Long & the drum. Problem solved, we just have to work 7 days a week with a bit of overtime to pay for it.....................Easy!
Wed 13 Jun 12 (05:24pm)
underlying prejudice in the Australian community?????
Once upon a time it was considered an allegiance to one's country to express concern at the smugglers' activities and at the criminal manipulation of our authorities.
Is it prejudice to ask why is it that a smuggler gets public housing before an Australian who has been on the waiting list for years.
And if Long lives in Cronulla how do we know he didn't start the riots?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:25pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:40pm)
Or Paul Gallen, or Glenn McGrath, or anyone who lives in Cronulla?
Congrats for the dumb comment of the day.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:47pm)
ABC economics correspondent Stephen Long
I'm sure the man has equally unbiased views and reporting of the Labor government's various boondoggles and economic arguments.
And what superb cowardice. To hint and smear multiple times, but never come right out and accuse of racism. Why does this man still have a job?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:39pm)
The reporting of the Cronulla "riots" is why I started to follow Tim Blair originally .He was the only Sydney based reporter that told the reason for the rally.
It was in response to long term bad behaviour of Lebanese men at the beach.Continuously harrassing white girls and also bashing blokes if the numbers were right.
The straw that broke the camels back was the beating up of a young volunteer life guard by the momeas.
The subsequent revenge attacks which included stabbings and smashing people with concrete slabs took place over the next couple of nights.
Reports of 20 or more carloads of revengers setting out in convoy after a rev up from the Lakemba mosque were even told in the MSM.
Are we racist for pointing out the facts.
Bollocks to the P.C. crowd.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:26pm)
rocklobster (1.40pm). NFA is mocking Long's stupidity. Why do you not agree with NFA?
Could it be that you are as big a dill as Long?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:50pm)
Panelists or puppets? I long for the day when our ABC represents all of us…
Wed 13 Jun 12 (05:22pm)
Keith is correct with his summary of the lead up to the Cronulla riots. The problem had been brewing for quite some time where people from out of the area 'took over' large areas of Gunnamatta Park and also parts of the beach. They intimidated others not of their nationality/religeon into either moving or leaving the area.
Reverse racism was quite prevalent. An example was when one big burly male told me to get my grandchild off a swing so his child could use it, because "this park belongs to us now". My family stopped using the park after that incident.
My husband and I were also subjected to racist and sexual comments screamed from a car full of hoons of MEA as we walked in one of the quieter streets in Cronulla one Sunday evening. According to one restraunter who witnessed the abuse, it was quite common.
And Keith is also correct - the retributions in the days following the initial riot were a lot worse than anything that happened on the day.
There are many 'Stephen Longs' who never miss an opportunity to look down their noses and bag Cronulla whenever the chance arises. It's shameful that a whole suburb is branded as 'racist' when the residents had nothing to do with the riots. Most of the trouble was caused by drunken slobs from outside the area.
At the very least, Scott Morrison should receive an apology - and while they're at it, they may like to extend that apology to the innocent residents of Cronulla.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (07:02pm)
Congrats for the dumb comment of the day.
Err, I know NFA left off the /sarc tag, so maybe he's dumb; but you didn't get it, so maybe it's you that's dumb?
Of course, NFA may have not meant the comment to have a /sarc tag, in which case it's him that's dumb.... I give up.
Yes. Throwing around the word "racist" is a bit like throwing around the word "homophobic" isn't it Andrew?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:29pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (01:17pm)
And throwing around the word "homophobic" is a bit "gay" isn't it BP.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:04pm)
Yep, so I wish you wouldn't throw the word 'homophobic' in for no apparent reason.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:27pm)
Yes it is BP. Over use a pejorative and it becomes either less piercing, less meaningful or irrelevant.
Stretching an interpretation also lessens the original meaning and thus the power of the word.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:28pm)
'homophobic' is just another artificially created catch phrase for accusing paranoids to use when they run out of rationality - and that usually doesn't take very long.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:47pm)
Labor and left wingers are going down the dangerous path with frequently labelling people as "racist" "homophobic, "greedy Mine Owners," the "us and them" and with Gillard nastily saying Abbott should get off the North Shore and see how others live.
It is ironic that they continually state that Abbott is always negative but he is only attacking the policies and poor decisions of the Gillard and Labor Government.
Where Gillard and her cronies are personally attacking individuals.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:50pm)
Can't quite make the link BP.Perhaps instead of trying to smear, as the left is so good at doing you should come out and say what you really think.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (06:04pm)
The word racist is used for two reasons. Firstly it is used to provided emotional power to an argument light on content. Secondly it is to position the debater as being morally right and therefore those who disagree as morally wrong.
In effect it's a shortcut, a claim to be the victor in the debate without actually having to demonstrate that you are. Like turning up to a race and announcing to all the other athletes that you are the winner then going home without running the race.
It is the recourse of the intellectually bereft, the lazy, the juvenile who chooses an opinion then looks for arguments rather than forming an opinion based on information.
People, particularly people from extreme positions like Mr Long, criticise in others what they actually could see in themselves.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:30pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:19pm)
Mr Long was also a very boring person to listen to the holier than thou attitude,the extreme left at work. The Drum if they wish to have people view their program ,may need to get right views other than just Peter Reith, by the way Peter out guns them all in my opinion.........that is just my opinion and I am not on the programs to force it down everybody elses throat
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:06pm)
Mr.Long - just another stuffed shirt with a swollen head - Scarecrow?
Typical of the guests on The Drum or The Dumb?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (06:10pm)
I agree lorraine. Whenever this sort of tripe comes on, i switch channels. It is the same when Gillard appears. They only time I hear that voice is if I can't get to the remote before she starts.
It's a bit like the trolls that loiter around this blog. I just sigh and refuse to feed them with a response. Hear that Jordan et al.?
If you're referring to the host of the Drum, it's "Steve Cannane" not "...Kinnane."
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:31pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:03pm)
What's "the Drum"?
Only jesting.Even I know it's theLeft/Green or Green Left current affairs program run on taxpayer's money by our National Broadcaster.
Says a great deal about the ABC that they have an undergraduate-minded petit bourgeois marxist as an economics correspondent.
If they had a journalsit reporting on defence matters, it'd no doubt be this accomplished and experienced scribe.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:31pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (01:54pm)
The facts regarding this hugely taxpayer funded group think luv festival is that you've a group of like minded chattering class chardonnay socialist extreme multiculturalists sitting around effectively agreeing with each other.
Long is entitled to his view, but as farmas I'm aware he's an 'economic correspondent', not a pseudo political expert.
As AB has noted regularly, the actual ratings or viewing audience for this half arsed leftist excuse for TV are extremely lame. The wider point is arguably these flogs can sit around, like the permanent 2 day growth son of Rudd Charlie leftist Pickering on his leftist show, and talk, spin, and try and convince the majority but it's pointless. This issue was done to death under Howard. He effectively took this single issue to an election "we will decide who comes to our country and the circumstances in which they come" and he romped it it.
Programs, or opeds like Michael Gordon or the Editor of the Melbourne Multicultural have zip effect on punters on this issue. But again, the left are unable to grasp this reality owing to the fact they're ideological fanatics, they seem and think with their bleeding hearts, and are not driven by fact, logic nor reason. If 'The Drum' was on commercial TV it'd have been gotten rid of 6 months into the show. But again, when hard earned tax payer funds are at play it's a blank cheque for blinkered amateurs to make outlandish comments, and get away with it. AB plays an excellent role in a limited free press insofar as he's consistently exposing flogs like this. If it wasn't for the taxpayer cost it'd be laughable. But at $100 million a day being borrowed by the Treasury this absurd pap certainly puts accountability into more perspective, and makes it even more important to hold these clowns to account. The ABC Board certainly won't, nor will that other joke 'Media Watch'.
We often hear the old chestnut "most overstayers come by plane.."
The fact is that if they come by plane they have at least had to satisfy the visa test and that at least weeds out the real lowlife.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:32pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (01:39pm)
Yes kev it may well prevent sea deaths also ..good point .It would also put smugglers out of jobs perhaps.
Liberals Team had a good feasible policy in place , and labor seems to have not only ruined that, but also made it almost impossible to repair, when they(Lib`s team) get a chance to problem solve, that is the real real human shame.I wish Liberals Team much strength. They mean well for many and most it seems.They need the facts and the position first .They need our support with that .
What is it with labor /greens /Indies ruining good workable systems .If they are not broken like` many things,` why ruin it to force in stupid ideas, or a rotten standard, or a lousy product even ? Is it just for money regardless of consequences and sheer risks? But why ? That is unsafe for many even for most Nationally ,yes?.
**Election 474days( or less.)That is a positive in deed.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:47pm)
Tourist visas are very easy to obtain.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:03pm)
Kev - Yes - and those that know they are very unlikely to be accepted for temporary entry at the airport feel they have a better chance by paying way more than an air ticket and the required per diem, to a smuggler and come by boat. Coming by plane they also have to find and pay their own accommodation (with relatives or other), but come by boat and hey presto - a house is included.
There was discussion the other day that people who are being shot at and running from people who want to hack them to pieces don't have time to pick up their passports, but strangely they still have time to pick up wads of cash.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:17pm)
Tourist visas are very easy to obtain. Certainly, they're usually issued by travel agents. Not so easy to have paid though, you have to front the primary line, where you are vetted, and any doubts as to your bona-fides are referred immediately to an Immigration Secondary Officer. They also scan arriving passengers cards, looking for anomalies.
Large numbers are turned around at entry points, whether it be for appearing to be coming here to work, lack of funds, no valid reason for travel or failure of character test. It's a lot harder when they turn up on a boat with no documents and a well-rehearsed story, especially when this is administered by a spineless government, who pay more attention to letters to The Age than they do to the electorate.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:50pm)
Tourist visas are very easy to obtain.
Good point, chas.
Why don't they just get one, and fly for a fraction of the price and with less risk of drowning.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:56pm)
Chas - really ? - care to explain the details including any lack of identity/security checks ?
And would someone with a suspect background be allowed to walk onto any plane without being prior challenged, which does NOT happen with boats ?
The feverish rantings of another ABC zealot…
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:34pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (05:31pm)
There is not one ABC political prgram that has any CREDIBILITY.
The ABC has gone backwards. It is now a proverb of the epoch: "The leftist bias of the ABC."
Let the born-again socialists at the ABC have their meaningless rant. Their future employment prospects are dim to say the least.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:36pm)
The issue is and always will be a racist one. In the grand scheme of things the boat people issue should be a non issue in Australian politics. Even in the worst year the number of boat people is nothing compared to a world scale. Italy had 36000 in one year. Off shore processing is hugely expensive, as are most of the other remedies.
The coalition and recently the labor party have both entered into far too much dialogue on this issue, which has become a pure vote chasing issue with clear racist undertones.
1. Onshore processing (far cheaper), and more humane. Don't penalise the refugees, they are desperate, I am still waiting for someone to show me the queue in southern afghanistan that they are jumping.
2. Spend more money working with indonesia and other relevant countries to stop the people smugglers.
I don't think any of the politicians are evil, but this issue belongs in the gutter, and its a shame that both major sides of politics use it for points scoring, when in the grand scheme of things it is irrelevent to australian's daily lives.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:37pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (01:39pm)
Like many others of your ilk you're either being disingenuous or deliberately naive. For every one of these people we accept someone in a camp somehwere in the world misses out on coming to Australia. they may have been there for years. They have no money to pay smugglers so they miss out. This is the queue that you claim does not exist. Tell this to the Rwandans rotting in camps in Zaire.
The left seems to accept this and encourage it.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (01:57pm)
Comparing Italy to Australia is hardly appropriate given the facts of the matter. Italy also has longstanding cultural links to Northern Africa (much of it is former Italian colonies), and the south of Italy is a hell of a lot closer to Libya and Tunisia than Afghanistan/Pakistan/Iran/Iraq or even Indonesia than people making this comparison will care to admit (the boat trip from Tripoli to Italian soil is measured in hours, not days). Beyond that, Italy IS the next safe country from Libya or Tunisia as defined by the UNHCR, whereas an Afghan/Pakistani/Iranian/Iraqi has to cross several safe (and even culturally appropriate) borders to get as far as Indonesia so they can hop the boat to Christmas Island.
The only thing in common is the boats. Nice try, though.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (01:59pm)
If they were refugees escaping pursecution they would end up in numerous different countries before Australia. Obviously they are mostly welfare refugees looking for taxpayer funded utopia. People like you are more concerned with obtaining a feeling of righteousness rather than being concerned with the hundreds of souls that are lost to pay for it!
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:08pm)
What you have conveniently forgotten to mention is offshore processing might be expensive but only for a very short period of time because the boats no longer come. This was proven without a doubt and any one can check by the Howard govt. The coalition will again stop the boats the deaths at sea and the subsequent detention of these people and save the tax payer billions.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:12pm)
I would like to ask you, Easto, your attitude to the thousands of refugees, their wives and children, currently being held in Third World Refugee camps, some having been there for over a decade, with little hope and no future. Every boat person who pays to be ferried to our shores denies one of those people a new start in our country. Have you no compassion for them? Don't they matter in your scheme of things? Well, I think they matter very much. I wonder, too, if you and Stephen Long have volunteered to take a boat family into your homes to live with your family?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:37pm)
'the number of boat people is nothing compared to a world scale.'
- exactly what is the point of comparing a bad situation to a worse situation ? - is that supposed to make ours look 'better' ??
'Don't penalise the refugees, they are desperate'
- yeah, right - as 'desperate' as reported in The Australian that multiple boats have come from that 'dangerous deadly hell hole' India !!
'in the grand scheme of things it is irrelevent to australian's daily lives.'
- one smuggled terrorist can ruin a lot of Australian's day - and if you want your taxes paying freeloaders while legit refugees patiently wait then go right ahead FOOL.
Get educated and grow up.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:50pm)
Once again these fallacious arguments rear their ignorant, intellectually lazy and ugly head.
The point is, 1) Australia per capita has one of the highest intakes of illegal arrivals in the world, 2); It is not racist it is an issue of sovereignty which if you draw the line of causation naturally includes security.
Sovereignty is the supreme authority within a territory. The fact that Australia has such enormous borders with a small population means that people who feel that they can take advantage of that effectively also remove our supreme authority within our own territory by ignoring the required migration laws already in place. The fact that smugglers and illegal arrivals ignore that means they are openly and ignoring our country as an independant sovereign state. It would be manifestly naive to ignore the value and power of such an ancient principle of international law. If sovereignty did not exist where would we be ... hello war anyone? If you think that is extreme, just look at the violent bloody mess that was the 20th century, and why the German invasion of Poland is historically seen as such a pivotal moment in 20th century history for the consequences it produced. Why do you people accept that we can protect our territory when invaded in war but we can't do the same when we are being invaded in a different manner? Extreme I know but the principle remains sound.
Lastly, countries like Italy are much smaller and can control their borders much easier than we can ... include the size of their population in that also.
I wish you people would at a least employ a modicum of forensic analysis to this issue, not the usual undergraduate thought bubble approach. This is a complex issue and Australians have every right to feel uneasy about what is occuring. The language may be crude but the emotions and fear behind it are more than backed up by history and historical fact and are as old as time itself.
Sheesh! This is long I know but geez, can we have an intelligent discussion about this? Labor has failed us by compromising our sovereignty and should pay dearly for it along with everything else.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:50pm)
So Easto, has Italy got a problem at 36,000 per year? How many, inyour grand opinion before we have a problem? 11,000 is OK but 20,000 a problem?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:56pm)
those ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" pictured in the "Australian" on the weekend didn't look very "desperate" to me, they looked like they had just been on a day trip to the Riviera! They come thru the back door for one reason only...for our ridiculous over-extravagant social welfare handouts.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:07pm)
If they were actually refugees, you would be easy to agree with. However, the VAST majority of these boat arrivals are people who can afford to fly to Australia, have had identity papers previously and have thrown them away, and are not fleeing any kind of persecution. They are simply economic migrants trying to get a short cut into Australia rather than have to meet stringent immigration standards. The fact that they paid thousands to a people smuggler rather than hundreds for an air fare explains the whole issue. They don't want to be identified, as this diminishes their claim of refugee status. Off shore processing and temporary protecdtion visas, coupled with a presumption of non-refugee status for all who arrive without papers, WILL stop this process and allow the real refugees better access to Australia.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:07pm)
Genuine refugees don't have thousands of $$$ to pay people smugglers. Blows your whole argument out of the water right there.
Howard stopped the boats from coming by issuing temporary protection visa's and removing family reunion.
Where is your outrage at the REAL refugees who spend years in UN refugee camps with worse conditions then Nauru and Christmas island.
It isn't irrelevant to our daily lives when my tax money is going to those that don't deserve it.
How come most of these refugees are still on welfare years after getting here.
I will tell you it is a gravy train and we are too soft.
Enough is enough.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:21pm)
What a shame that Labor withdrew threir bipartisan support for the Coalition's policies in order to make political mileage.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:32pm)
"The issue is and always will be a racist one."
Most people who do not want people to arrive by boat have no issue with people coming here by legal means. You use the word racist to add emotional weight to your argument because your content is weak.
And you think the politicians are racist but non of them are evil.
And people are perishing at sea, no concern to you?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:52pm)
It isn't irrelevant to our daily lives when my tax money is going to those that don't deserve it.
My taxes subsidise your existence RooBoy, given I pay more then your wage. Please defend your existence to me.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (05:36pm)
If they were refugees escaping pursecution they would end up in numerous different countries before Australia.
They are!
Did you read his point about Italy receiving 36000 a year?
Only a small minority end up in Australia.
The Right never let facts get in the way of their racism and xenophobia.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (06:21pm)
Don't feed the trolls!
If they put a location after their name, they are more than likely a nark from Getup or some other extremist group, thinking that they are fooling us with a wide range of locations around australia. Watch for the pattern all you sincere bloggers!
Then there are the Mr Jordans and Big Teds and silly fillys etc. Not worthy of a serious response.Their themes and styles are too similar to come from serious, albeit deluded bloggers. They are TROLLS!
But very good for generating large blog pages....
The left are the biggest racists by far. It's time to shine a light on them and see them scurry away like cockroaches. The ABC actually are doing a great favour for Abbott. They are showing how stupid the left are. I just hope Abbott shuts down the ABC when he wins the next election by a landslide.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:39pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:49pm)
The left this, the left that. Classic group thinker. Do you wait for Andrew's opinion before you do your footy tips?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:51pm)
Unfortunately Peter he won't. But then, there will have to be some outlet for all the out of work Labour politicians to vent their spleen, tax payer funded regrettably.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (05:05pm)
Chas - do you wait for GetUp/your ALP branch to wipe your backside ? (It would no doubt help your brain to function more clearly).
Wed 13 Jun 12 (05:09pm)
ABC should be privatised and face the reality of competition. This would allow the all knowing experts within its ranks to put into practice their ideas on capitalism, unions, economics etc.
If that happened what would be the opening price of the shares? I suggest .10c
An 'economics correspondent' spouting on about illegal arrivals - looks like the ABC cesspool is getting shallower and harder to scrape someone out who has any credibility or expertise in the area.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:40pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (05:16pm)
Seems only right seeing as though economists run the Carbon Dioxide/Global Warming swindle.
Where do these people come from? (Long and Kinnane)
Do they not believe that a sovereign nation has the right to choose who it allow to immigrate? If not, do they believe they have no right to choose who enters their home as a guest?
Do they not realise that just because people arrive with no documentation do not of necessity mean that they are "refugees"?
Do they not realise that people arriving by air must have documentation and therefore immigration at least has a chance to differentiate?
Do they not realise that we have a perfectly adequate process to immigrate without sneaking in? When a person sneaks in under the process should they not automatically be suspect. Other wise why are they sneaking.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:41pm)
Ad hominem attacks are all this Labor Government's got. Spin, lies, exaggerated misrepresentation and ABBOTT,ABBOTT,ABBOTT, all this passes as rational argument. This mob is a disgrace.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:41pm)
Yeah but they are not actually, they are not actually looking in a humane way at how you deal with it.
And I just don't believe that it is motivated by humanitarian purposes what they are trying to do
I agree, there's just no way the Coalition are a least bit concerned about lives being lost at sea.They are playing the race/fear card in order to win an election just like Howard did.
Thing is Andrew none of the Coalitions policies will actually prevent people from getting onto a boat in Indonesia.
Abbott is assuming that his policies worked before and so they should work again, but will they ? and will any lives be saved ?
TPV's - will be given to refugees after they have made the journey by boat.
Nauru - they would still have to come by boat to Christmas Island before being sent to camps on Nauru and Nauru is now a signatory to the refugee convention.
Towing the Boats ..used by Howard but abandoned because lives were endangered , not only the lives of the asylum seekers who scuttled their boats but the Navy personnel who rescued them from the water (ala SIEV 4 "the children overboard" boat )and they would be brought to Australia anyway.
Refusing them refugee status if the arrive without paper work ...they would still have to arrive by boat before their claims were denied.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:46pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (01:22pm)
Will TA's policies work? We don't really know until we try them. So lets just do that. The present govt. has no control of our borders anyway. Genuine refugees/migrants with proper documentation and using the proper channels must get priority!
Wed 13 Jun 12 (01:33pm)
Give it a rest will ya....and, yes, what John Howard did was difficult, but, it worked and should be tried again.But just giving up our borders like this mob in Canberra has to be stoppped.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:03pm)
They are playing the race/fear card in order to win an election just like Howard did.
Of course there is absolutely no evidence of that.
Abbott is assuming that his policies worked before and so they should work again, but will they ? and will any lives be saved ?
Hang on! You just said in the previous sentence that they won't work (again, completely unsupported by any evidence) but no you're not so sure.
I suspect you are just making things up as you go. You sound conflicted.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:03pm)
But why would anyone pay a smuggler to take them on a perilous boat trip, if they knew that when they arrived at Christmas Is, they would -
1. be immediately re-directed to Nauru to be processed under that country's UNHCR jurisdiction, and formally determined to (maybe not) be a genuine refugee from imminent death, torture or persecution;
2. if assessed as a genuine refugee, be offered a place in any countries the UNHCR may determine as appropriate (ie not necessarily Australia);
3. if subsequently sent to Australia, be given a temporary protection visa, to be re-assessed periodically whether it is safe to return to their country of origin. In other words, no permanent residency.
You see, there's not much "sugar" left on the table under these conditions to warrant the cost and risk of an illegal boat journey, after destroying your identity documentation.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:30pm)
Seriously? Are you that dumb? Apparently yes. So, we are to continue what is clearly not working because maybe Abbott's policy won't work either? Hey, I know! Let's kick a dead horse a bit more, maybe it's not dead…
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:36pm)
Thing is no Indonesian policy will actually prevent people from getting onto a boat to try and enter Australia trough the back door.
How about we tell the Indonesians that we will cut off their annual $500,000,000 aid until they start policing their ports and waters?
As for the fabrication of a very very sick mind
I agree, there's just no way the Coalition are a least bit concerned about lives being lost at sea.
They are playing the race/fear card in order to win an election just like Howard did.
The typical:sick: hate speak of the "useful idiot" a part you play so well.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (02:54pm)
If it "doesn't work" explain how it reduced the "flood" to a trickle? If you also haven't worked out that there is a major demand for human traffic, which isn't related to the sorts of persecution the refugee convention is supposed to cover (war alone doesn't make someone a refugee according to UN rules!) then you need to stop and have a rethink. It costs thousands to try to migrate to Australia by normal channels (unless you have a company sponsoring you) and then you aren't eligable for social security, or even for your children to get HECS/HELP places at uni! So why not pay a bit more, you can get in without having to fit the English and skills requirements, and get straight onto higher levels of welfare and get put to the top of the list for public housing? Can you not see this is an incentive for people to invent stories of persecution? Without any valid ID, how can you determine if they're making it up or not? I need to show valid ID even to borrow DVD's out of the local Blockbusters because they're not willing to take my word for it where I live, and that I'll bring the DVD's back.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:01pm)
"I agree, there's just no way the Coalition are a least bit concerned about lives being lost at sea.They are playing the race/fear card in order to win an election just like Howard did.I agree, there's just no way the Coalition are a least bit concerned about lives being lost at sea.They are playing the race/fear card in order to win an election just like Howard did."
You believe that the coalition are doing this. Can you please provide proof or are you just another dumb idiot who believes every GetUp talking point without challenge.
You know what, I believe you are a racist who waits with baited breath for the next sinking ship. You may very well be a member of the KKK like many US Democrats were,I have based this on no other information than reading between the lines of your abhorrent post, and as such, it is as valid as your opinion.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:05pm)
What a facile and ill thought out argument. If you send the message that they ultimately won't be able to stay then they won't make the journey at all ... duh!
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:19pm)
TPV's - will be given to refugees after they have made the journey by boat.
Nauru - they would still have to come by boat to Christmas Island before being sent to camps on Nauru and Nauru is now a signatory to the refugee convention.
You would be less likely to jump on a boat if you knew your time in Australia was temporary (TPVs) - but the lure of free Centrelink benefits and priority housing is too tempting to resist.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:25pm)
"I agree, there's just no way the Coalition are a least bit concerned about lives being lost at sea.They are playing the race/fear card in order to win an election just like Howard did."
Do you have evidence. Of course not.
Why is it the left do not get that you just don't pull an opinion out of the air.
"Thing is Andrew none of the Coalitions policies will actually prevent people from getting onto a boat in Indonesia. "
Again, you have no idea if that is true or not. Ironically you follow by saying Abbot does not know if his old policies will work when you provide no reason why they would not.
All emotion and no substance, typical.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:59pm)
."They are playing the race/fear card in order to win an election just like Howard did."
No you fool they are reflecting what the majority of Australians want and that is an orderly immigration process.
If you don't like the way our democracy works then go and live in some socialist country where the government decides what is good for us.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (04:25pm)
It's amazing whenever Andy's boys get hit in the face with a few cold hard facts out comes the abuse.
give it a rest
What you say is true the coalitions plans won't prevent people drowning and anyone can see that Abbott and Howard before him have played the fear / race card,it's the conservative thing,immigration, multiculturalism, migrants,we're losing our country our values because of those people etc etc .
John Howard used the boat people as a political wedge,remember the Tampa ?
Howard had proclaimed the xenophobes in this country that "we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come " he did this to win over the million or so One Nation voters.
Then just 3 months before the election the Tampa arrives off Christmas Island .
Howard was stuffed,there was no way he could allow 430 asylum seekers to set foot in Australia especially just before the election, and so he threw the Pacific Solution together.
and they were all carted off to Nauru.
All of a sudden the racists who once voted for Pauline Hanson had found a new hero ..John Winston Howard.
The rest is history.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (05:42pm)
"I agree, there's just no way the Coalition are a least bit concerned about lives being lost at sea.They are playing the race/fear card in order to win an election just like Howard did"
Spot on.
They see it as a political opportunity and have shown that they have zero concern for those fleeing by boat.
They don;t want them here after-all.
They are appealing to the racists and xenophobes. Don;t the conservatives realize that they already have their vote?
They are not dealing with the fact that 90% of people who arrive here who don't have a right to stay in this country and may or may not be refugees actually come by plane.
Sounds like a useless statistic to me comparing documented to undocumented arrivals, and perhaps including tourists?
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:47pm)
Much of the argument against asylum seeking boat arrivals has been generated by prejudice. Heavens, it's been rife on this and other conservative blogs since Rudd stuffed the whole system up.
It seems almost futile, when the most obvious reasons for the need for boats to stop is to stop the deaths.....a point against which there can be little or no disagreement.
Yet how often do we see the media tackle the Greens on this issue? Do we ever see Senators Hanson-Young or Christine Milne asked by the media why they support a policy that encourages loss of life? I can't recall ever hearing them asked that question. I'd be mighty interested in their answer....if they have one.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:48pm)
Wed 13 Jun 12 (03:45pm)
Nor do we ever hear them being asked how many of these arrivals they will billet at their place? If they are so happy to have open borders and they truly believe we are racist and the best way is for them to be out in the community, then please someone ask them are they taking some in and doing their bit! Let's see what shining lights they are - always shooting of their mouth so now follow through.
I think it's like this.....Conservatve thinking goes Tick Tock Tick Tock.
Lefty thinking goes Tock Tick Tock Tick
They just don't get us or "it" do they.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:53pm)
They also say that 90% of Asylum seeker arrived by plane, I'll say it's close to !00% they arrive by plane although they landed on Indonesia then change over to a boat to Australia.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:57pm)
"They are not dealing with the fact that 90% of people who arrive here who don't have a right to stay in this country and may or may not be refugees actually come by plane."
I think this is an urban myth. You need a visa to get into the country (tourist, student etc.) so how can he say they have no right to be here. They would not be allowed through customs without a visa.
Perhaps he is talking about the people who fly in and claim asylum after they arrive because after spending some time on Bondi beach they do not want to go home.
Overseas students on student visas are notorious for this.
Wed 13 Jun 12 (12:59pm)
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