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Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)
Hello everybody - i asked myself that question...
What makes a photo really stunning for yourself and your audience? This is a question every photographer would face if you are interested to get better at photography then creating average snapshot images.
I try to answer that in my own words: It's like telling a story, creating a poetry, creating emotions with a special look or ambience, catching a short moment which is rare to see and making a good composition out of it, to stage something and having a good scenery behind it, getting in touch with other people and creating a good mood, create a new perspective from things which is contrary to what you see on your daily routine, have an eye and feeling about design, art, colors, details, light, ambience and interesting things which you will find everywhere around you, being patient for the right moment, being patient for the right light, show details you won't even notice or think about it, play with your camera as it would be a painting tool, don't think about your equipment but think about creating a picture that you would like to see years later again and it still feels stunning, you like it to be creative and it's fascinating and a passion at the same time, you care about high image quality or you use image quality as a tool, you like to know about everything around it, shoot as many things as possible when you're traveling around as you won't get a second chance (no, this is not about creating a million images in a week but to catch something special which you won't see in a certain amount of time again), make a picture as if you would paint a picture, make a picture as if you would be a director or producer of a movie. I think there is many more stuff which i'm not yet aware of it…
And practically it's not that easy as describing it with words. I believe most photographers and professionals are reviewing hundreds of photos before making a decision of what they want to keep or present (that depends also from what your are actually shooting or interested in). I didn't read much books about photography yet but i like to study other pictures from other photographers which are stunning. You can learn a lot out of it from the best ones or from photographers that have the ability to communicate character to their pictures. You need to be self-critical with your own work. Always have a open mind of how other people are commenting or rating your photos but without loosing your faith about your own creativity. Don't shoot photos only to please other people as you would loose all the fun and enthusiasm about it. Ask yourself why photography is your main part of interest. Don't get irritated if people take a strange look at you about what you're doing on the streets, on a place, in a room or everywhere else. Don't get confused about camera equipment. It doesn't matter if you're using a Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, Sony, Panasonic or even the iPhone - what matters is your picture and if you feel comfortable and pleased with your own equipment. Get familiar with your own equipment and learn what you can do with that tool. Don't give up or be frustrated if hundreds of your photos aren't it worth to be published as long as you find a few ones which are exceptionally good from that project or album. Every single positive rating or comment about your photo is a huge motivator and proofs that you can't be that wrong.
Maybe i need to continue this topic here but it was important to write that down. Is this a good starting point to get better at photography? I would like to hear from anybody sharing his personal thoughts.
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#1. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 0ajdooley Nikonian since 25th May 2006Wed 05-Mar-14 10:40 AM | edited Wed 05-Mar-14 11:19 AM by ajdooley
Jorge -- You pose a very interesting issue. Another element of it is, when one is shooting, when have you made enough exposures? When do you HAVE your photo?
I think a lot of it depends on knowing what you are trying to capture and what makes it a good result. It doesn't necessarily have to be a stunning, action-packed, or sensationally lighted photo. It just has to illustrate what you want to show, capture what you want to remember or share, and in essence, finish the job.
That doesn't end when the shutter has been clicked and the camera turned off. You also have to, I believe, properly post-process your image. This is analogous to printing it in the old days. A poor print could camouflage a great image!
I'm attaching an example. I work part time for a newspaper. I was asked two days ago to shoot a photo of the clean up from a recent winter storm. It had been predicted to be a sequence of icy rain, sleet and then snow. Only the snow barely showed up, so I wanted to portray the different aspect of cleaning up slippery walks. I found a local county employee spreading salt on walks around the county court house and shot several photos. I thought this one showed what I wanted to say -- where the action was occurring, the action of spreading rock salt -- and was able to lighten the worker's face slightly to ensure he was well identified. It's nothing great -- 10 minutes of talking and shooting -- maybe 15 minutes of post processing. But I think it tells the story well. So by my definition -- this one is a keeper.
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#3. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 1PSAGuy Nikonian since 04th Nov 2008Sat 08-Mar-14 12:25 AM | edited Sat 08-Mar-14 12:27 AM by PSAGuy
Love that shot...it tells a story in a visually pleasing way. Really nice image.
I have a favorite county fair I cover each year. I shot the photo below at it....It's one of my favorite images (and it won the Grand Champion award at the fair the next year).
It's not technically perfect I know, but a county fair is fun....and I think this is a "fun" image.
Also....the actual final image was cropped to eliminate the grass below the stand. I found it too distracting.
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#2. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 0
>What makes a photo really stunning for yourself?
Honestly, if I like it, that's all that matters. I don't have any preconceived notions. I try to watch my composition to avoid glaring errors, and of course good light is better than harsh light. Get the right shutter speed and aperture. I hate seeing a potentially great photo of mine that has an obvious (to me) technical flaw that should not have occurred.
>and your audience?
I've found that non-photographers are not very picky. Family and friends really like a lot of my photos that I find very pedestrian. I don't sell my work, so I'm not concerned about the buying public. In fact, I really don't have an audience aside from my family. And they're not at all discriminating.
As an example of both of the above comments, my wife's favorite photo is one I took of my daughter. Either I slightly missed focus (most likely) or the shutter speed was too low to prevent some motion blur. My wife sees a beautiful photo. I see a great moment, and an okay photo, and what could have been if I didn't botch it. My wife knows that technical perfection is overrated in many situations, but it is still something that I strive to achieve.
Constructive criticism and comments are welcome, but I find that most are thoughts that I considered and discarded, or don't really care to follow.
How do I improve? Difficult to say. I can't really say that I am getting better. Occasionally I try to get out of my comfort zone and try something different. I do like to read photography books (mostly landscape and nature, not so much people or street). And from looking at the works of others that I like, for ideas, not necessarily to imitate.
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#4. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 0
The criteria I usually use is whether I would print the image large and hang it on my wall. I have a limited amount of space - so commercially successful work may not be what works for my wall.
I'm looking for an exceptional moment. Maybe it's tranquility. Maybe it's when the light hits something perfectly in a terrific place. Maybe it's a wildlife subject in a perfect pose or at peak action. The light and color needs to be right. It needs to imply greater context or a feeling.
Technical excellence is a given - but the scene and the moment may outweigh minor technical issues. For example, I have an image of a gorilla mother carrying a newborn infant. This image was captured on an overcast day, backlit, and is a little soft. But the infant looks a lot like a human infant with no hair - and it makes the image compelling. This image was from a zoo - but is such an unusual scene that it is successful in spite of its flaws.
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#5. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 4ajdooley Nikonian since 25th May 2006Sun 09-Mar-14 01:58 AM | edited Sun 09-Mar-14 02:00 AM by ajdooley
Eric -- just a stunning photo! It meets the criteria for sure. Thanks for sharing. One of my unsaid criteria for judging another person's photo is when I say to myself, "Boy! I sure wish I'd taken that! And this qualifies.
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#6. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 5jesse101 Nikonian since 28th Dec 2011Sun 09-Mar-14 09:34 PM
this is a good question..and I'm sure for many, they started photography simply because they enjoy what they do.
I personally go for perfection, sharp, well lit portraits. I never seem to get it, so this drives me to get the perfect portrait. On top of that i want my portraits to tell a story, and show expression...all these goals link together is what drives me to continuously shoot portraits.
At times i get comments good and bad...and what i feel may be total opposite. When the photos are mine, i could care less, i tend to express what i want, and at times i may never even post the photos on sharing sites..its something that was special to me.
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#7. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 0
A photograph as piece of art is, as they say, in the eye of the beholder. The craft of photography, focus (sharp/soft), lighting, post processing gets you to where YOU want to go whether its composition, colors, shapes, emotion or all of the above.
#8. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 0
Photography is unique because there's almost always more than meets the eye. So it's all up to the photographer how he would 'connect' the viewer to the scene of such photos, to enlighten imaginations, to show the 'big picture'.
Photography can also be very personal. Each photo represent a monent that's already past. It's like the ticking of a clock, insignificant it may seem, out of focus it may be and sometimes fade into the background and forgotten. But unlike the passing time, with photography you can always relive the moment every once in a while.
Photography is without boundaries. What's behind that ridge? What if I climb higher? wait a little longer? Try a new trick? Some new gear? The possibility is endless, and it's not just to the photographer, but the viewers too. it's Always exciting.
#9. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 0
When out and about in Alaska, particularly when the Aurora is visible, I may shoot several hundred frames. Of those, there may be only a handful or less that really appeal to me. However many of my most popular images are ones that may not appeal to me personally.
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#10. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 0
Jorge, a very interesting question!
I like the saying, attributed to Ansel Adams; "There are two people in every photograph, the photographer and the viewer." I have a number of images I really like, they speak to me. To be REALLY GOOD, I think they also need to speak to others. And the longer I can keep the viewer in the image, the better it is. Of course, there's really no way to measure how long someone else stays in your photo, but you can look at comments and get some idea of how your images are accepted.
If your photo speaks to you and to others, I think you've succeeded...at least for the moment. In the long run your success might be measured in terms of a number of successful moments AND the personal pleasure that you've derived from your photography.
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#11. "RE: Thoughts about Photography (as a Hobby Photographer)" | In response to Reply # 0
It comes down to some simple questions.
1. Finding the shot and knowing you found it and then took it. It's maybe the biggest rush. It proves something to yourself. For me I usually know when I've found it and either I get it or feel bad knowing I could have and didn't. Seeing the perfect light and then knowing how to shoot is something we all look for because it's just plain fun.
2. As a professional you have to deliver something. It also has to be of some quality and you need to do it all the time. At a professional level it's more than just personal. Having a client that really is excited is then the moment you look for right after they pay the bill.
3. Finding a shot in post you didn't think you had is a real click your heels three times experience too. That's just personal. If it's good it is.
4. Getting to the point of pulling shots for presentation or competition is a whole higher level. It depends on if you win.
Story telling is perhaps a bigger picture and while significant it isn't really how you do this stuff. If you do it well then you can say you did. The story is obvious when the pictures are good but if not then it may not be a bad story or bad pictures. Not all stories are worth telling. You can shoot 700 pictures and nail it with only one. How you get to one picture is a story.
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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by sandiego67, Feb 15, 2013.
Reading this thread is a great reminder of how ridiculous some of you beer drinkers can be.
One advantage of living at 53 degrees North is that although I'be been drinking beer for over 50 years I've never experienced skunking except in contrived doped beers in my beer tasting courses.
It is said though that Porters and Stouts are improved by drinking them out of a pewter tankard.Time to do a controlled experiment perhaps........
I hope you are pulling our legs.
Since we only have about 5 days of sunlight per year in Ohio, I don't really have that problem. Either way, I don't think this is a big issue. There is no need to take everything so seriously. Its beer. Just drink it.
It's not just beer, you're spending your money hurr durr hurr derp.
Seriously. I agree with you 100%
Whenever I am outside drinking I am usually drinking straight out of the can/bottle.
Psh, everyone knows the real beer snob keeps a tactical collapsible tulip glass on them AT ALL TIMES
I have an old brown glass mug. Ball mason jar with a handle.
While quite possible,I'd think the potential resultant lead poisoning might somewhat temper the benefits?
To each his own.
This how I used to roll.....
I feel dumber having read this thread.
those are pretty cool.
no such thing as a basement in Los Angeles. just leads to extra rubble to clean up after the big one
First, a brown glass would be difficult to clean since you wouldn't be able to see if it was really clean.
Second, eye appeal... Would you really want to drink out of a brown glass? Brown is associated with dirt, scum, .... It would seemingly turn ppl off to drinking beer.
Good question, I always drink on my roof on the summer solstice at noon too.
Enough snark, to the OP, because then you can't see it and taste is perceived first through the eyes, then through the nose and then through the mouth. Don't kick out 1/3 of the process!
BA gratefulbeerhead makes these nice vessels for Bell's:
Awww man, I should not have thrown away my stone Ruination 10th bottles
This is an awesome idea!!
Thought it was pretty clever when Rolling Rock (pre-AB) came out with green shaker pints with the same silk-screened front and rear logos as their iconic bottles.
Wasn't quite as thrilled with them when I was in some bar that uses any handy glass for any beer - regardless of logo and what beer one ordered - and was served a deep amber-colored craft beer in one. Just looked gruesome.
Of course, the green glass would not be much help prevent the beer becoming lightstruck outdoors, but then neither would brown or opaque since the sun is usually overhead and glasses are open-topped.
This. Too afraid of breaking my glassware or spilling, especially if I have a group of people over. I've never had an issue with skunking.
I just shotgun all beers to avoid skunking and faded hops.
Basic Brewing video did a test of this with a control in a black bag and samples in the sun for a while. By the end of the video they notice that the beer that they poared at the start were starting to change.
Rose colored glasses are my favorite, followed by depression era green tumblers.
Edit: I keed! I keed! But truthfully, I'd much prefer to drinking from a 7oz Pilsner sham while seated in a leather booth, preferably in an old, dark saloon.
I leave the brown paper bags on my 40's anyway. You guys don't?
You left off "35¢" for the sham pilsner and the fact that no light gets in to skunk the beer, even when some dummy opens the blinds on the tiny windows, because the years of smoke and cooking grease has covered the glass with an UV light-proof film.
Wait... you're in a booth? ("Leather"? Really? Sure that's not Naugahyde™?) Didn't you read the matchbook cover?
Back in the day, ladies weren't allowed in bars in the Midwest. Well, certain professional types, maybe...!
Edit: I'm paranoid enough about light skunking my beer that when a sham isn't handy, I drink my Special Ex straight from th' silo!
Beat me to it
On occasion, I run across those at collectors shows, as well as "cobalt blue" pints branded with some defunct Micro brand or other. Some places offer a variety of colors for your silk-screened logo needs:
I suppose I've just never drunk beer out of a glass under the burning midday sun.
The one on the right is awesome.
In California, we actually have sunshine, hoppy beers and year-round outdoor patios where drinking occurs. Direct sunlight is a real issue. If sunshine and beer drinking is a foreign concept to you, this thread may not be for you.
"Our arrows will blot out the sun!"
"Good, now our beers won't skunk."
That's how that scene went, right?
Does a Duvel tulip count if it has been modified to work in a hammock?
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unfortunately, blue glass is about the same in terms of light protection as green.
hey, do you still know the links to that blog and PDF file that shows graphically the analysis of different wavelengths of light, between different colors of glass? you and i used to post them frequently in the old forums, but since those archives apparently will never be restored, now they are practically lost forever to me...
Thanks for posting that. I guess there might be something to it after-all.
So I take it you don't drink Pliny 24 minutes after its bottling date either, do you?
Would black glass really be any better? Seems that it would still be affected by direct/overhead light.
Why not drink faster?!
Well I've had hundreds of beer out in the sun and I have had it happen...
Sorry, I couldn't resist a good one-up on your dozens. Just last weekend I was having a SN Pale Ale in a clear plastic cup from the bar at my local ski area out on the deck and I noticed the skunk smell as soon as I went back inside. The beer still drinks fine but I definitely can smell it.
red glass has shown to be effective. somebody posted their experience before. dunno if it was in the old forums tho.
overhead light is still a problem, yes, although i suppose a nice foamy head might help? seriously, though, whenever i'm drinking outside, i just try to shade my cup whenever possible. use my hand, a menu, a coaster, stand near a tree, whatever. or just drink faster ;-) also, a red solo cup helps ;-)
Dammit. Knew I should have said "hundreds."
Like most people reading and commenting in this thread, beer typically doesn't last long enough in my glass for me to worry about the ill effects it could suffer. But I will say that the novelty glasses made from used beer bottles look pretty badass.


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WIP: Argyle socks
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I'm not very far into the project, but I'm posting it as a self-motivator. I'm using recycled gray lambswool (fingering wt.) with some laceweight Kid Seta carried along in the toe and heel for strength. The pink diamonds, when I get that far, will be Deborah Norville Serenity. The socks are for my daughter. Oh, and the pattern is the Seamless Argyle Sock Pattern Generator.
BTW, the Kid Seta is very hard to keep untangled (working from outside and inside of one ball), so I'm tearing off yard-long lengths, whose ends will felt inside the sock. :woohoo:
Seamless argyle! Awesome! Those are going to be gorgeous socks.
Yeah...kid seta has mohair in it doesn't it? That stuff is a nightmare to frog.:zombie: Actually probably impossible is a better description.
Excellent! And you're doing it right :wink: 2 at a time, toe up. That's the "right" way because that's how I do socks too. What cast on did you use? They're gonna be loverly for your daughter.
Amen to that! I recyled thrift-store, and I learned the hard way not to bother with any that are mostly mohair. Now that I'm working with manageable lengths of the stuff, so I can detangle, I think it'll be fine.
Oh, I always do socks at least 2AAT. I've also done 4AAT and 6AAT (a learning experience). For toe-up socks, I always use Judy's Magic CO. I once tried a short-row toe, and it worked OK but I didn't see any real advantage to it. When I get there, I'll be doing a Sweet Tomato Heel. I'm hoping to have the socks done by my daughter's birthday, on the 22nd, but we'll see. It wouldn't be the first time I've given a gift still on the needles and then taken it back to finish it. She knows I'm good for it, hehe.
I do the Turkish Cast on and the Fleegle Heel. Funny how we all do them differently. :thumbsup:
I've been doing two socks at one time, but on separate needles. Haven't attempted two at once. I don't make that many socks so maybe not a big deal, but I'll have to try it. More than two sounds like a nightmare of twisted yarn balls. :zombie:
Those look lovely and soft and the argyle in pink will be perfect. Thanks for the pattern link.
She's gonna love them. I am strictly a one sock at a time dpn kinda gal. I have worked with magic loop but I like the dpn's better. Of course, you always have one completed and you realize you have another to go, but unless it is a boring sock, I don't mind. :p
The yarn isn't too hard to manage if you put all the balls into something snug and then turn all of them at once at the end of each half round. Alternate between clockwise and counterclockwise turning, and the yarns don't get tangled. Once I get to about mid instep, I simply tuck each ball of yarn into the toe it's attached to.
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Donaire: 'I'm a Better Counterpuncher than Rigondeaux'
By Ryan Maquiñana
Junior featherweight world champion Nonito Donaire sat down with BoxingScene.com/CSNBayArea.com last Thursday and touched on a variety of topics leading up to his Apr. 13 fight in New York City with Guillermo Rigondeaux.
The "Filipino Flash" has been preparing for the bout at Radio City Music Hall in the Northern California city of San Carlos with Brian Schwartz and Mike Bazzel. Reigning Trainer of the Year Robert Garcia is slated to periodically check in from Oxnard, a five-hour drive south of the gym.
"I've really been focused on this camp more than I've ever focused, so there's no excuses," Donaire (31-1, 20 KOs) said.
True to his word, Donaire wakes up at 4:30 in the morning on conditioning days and has added pool workouts to his already demanding regimen, which partially consists of interval sprinting on the track and utilization of the hypoxic machine to simulate a high-altitude training environment.
Camp would not be complete without sparring, and in addition to local fighters like slick junior bantamweight Bruno Escalante, manager Cameron Dunkin is sending Donaire a few new lefties of various sizes to tangle with as well.
"It's been excellent work," Donaire said of the sessions so far. "These kids they brought me just keep coming, and I like that they don't hold back."
Rigondeaux (11-0, 8 KOs), a Cuban who now resides in Miami, enters the clash with an outstanding amateur pedigree.
A two-time Olympic gold medalist, the 32-year-old southpaw known as "El Chacal (The Jackal)" can rattle off blinding, polished combinations on a dime. Though he entered the pro ranks late in his boxing career, Rigondeaux hasn't had too much trouble adjusting to the different rules, annexing the WBA version of the 122-pound crown in the process.
But now he faces his most challenging foe in the pros by far in Donaire, and the 2012 Fighter of the Year broke down the matchup.
"I think that he's a pure counterpuncher," said Donaire, who currently holds both the Ring Magazine and WBO belts. "If he gets aggressive, that's when it gets dangerous for him. I'm a counterpuncher, too, but I think I'm a better counterpuncher than he is.
"When it comes to counterpunching, I know the mistakes that people make, so that's something we're going to look forward to in learning about Rigondeaux. It's going to be a tactical gameplan, but I'm going to make the fight as exciting as I can."
While all indications are that the fight is set in stone, Donaire-Rigondeaux almost fell through at the negotiating table.
Though Rigondeaux readily agreed to random drug testing leading up to the fight, he preferred that the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) collect the samples, and not the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA), as was originally set in the contract.
To offer context, Donaire is currently the only boxer enrolled in VADA's year-round random testing program; Rigondeaux's team felt that the ties between Victor Conte, Donaire's nutritionist, and VADA boss Dr. Margaret Goodman, presented a potential conflict of interest. Eventually, cooler heads prevailed, and both sides signed off on VADA, salvaging the fight.
Recently, however, Rigondeaux's team has brought up the prospect of USADA simultaneously administering random testing in addition to VADA, who will work at no charge to the fighters. Donaire clarified where the matter stood from his perspective.
"All that was agreed was VADA," he said. "Then I guess they were saying, 'Oh, we want USADA.' It doesn't matter to me. I'll take a USADA test, but VADA was something I believed in. I believe that VADA's an honest organization, and they're sponsoring this [fight].
"So I said, 'You know what? You guys want to do USADA? I'll do USADA with you guys, but I'm not putting my money for something you want to do.' "
So far, the VADA program has commenced, and Donaire still left open the idea of submitting to dual testing if necessary.
"We've both been tested already, and that's just how it is," Donaire said. "If they want to bring in other people that they believe in, or they trust, bring them in. I don't care. I'm not hiding anything."
The possibility of twin needles extracting twice the blood isn't the only subplot to the fight. After he locks horns with Rigondeaux, Donaire will take a hiatus from boxing until after the summer because his wife Rachel is due to give birth in late July to their first child, a boy they plan to name Jarel.
"I love where I'm at right now, just talking to my baby every night on Skype," Donaire said. "I don't want to miss a day when I'm talking to it."
As a result, Donaire has been spending his weekends in Las Vegas, where he tends to Rachel in preparation for the baby. From the outside looking in, the constant travel might seem to be a distraction, but Donaire insisted that it has actually strengthened his resolve.
"I go out there [to Las Vegas], but then I run Mount Charleston, which is 8 to 9 thousand feet elevation," Donaire said. "We run about four to five miles, and then rest up, so there's always something I try to find to justify my visit."
The fight notwithstanding, Donaire has a lot on his plate for 2013, but he's enjoying every second awaiting the new addition to his family.
"It's crazy. In all the ultrasounds we've done, its hands are up, and when I start talking to him, he starts moving his hands [like a fighter]," Donaire said. "It's already a win-win for me this year."
Ryan Maquiñana was the boxing producer for NBCOlympics.com during London 2012 and writes a weekly column for CSNBayArea.com. He is a full member of the Boxing Writers Association of America and the Ratings Panel for Ring Magazine. E-mail him at [email protected], check out his blog at Norcalboxing.net, or follow him on Twitter: @RMaq28.
lol not to mention donaire saying this is the hardest ive ever trained i get up at 430n every morning etc etc etcComment by Nekronicle on 04-15-2013
lol word!!! seriously, this fight wasn't even a pick em' fight... any intelligent boxing fan had to know the only way Donaire would win is by a KO, Rigondeaux is a far better boxer, far more experienced..and since this is…Comment by .:: JSFD26 ::. on 04-15-2013
[quote=gmc_rfc_06] Just had to bump this one, it was the most hilarious of them all....can't believe how many people agreed with Donaire. =============================== Quote: Originally Posted by gmc_rfc_06 Hence why I said Donaire has the power. Still, Rigo also has…Comment by Jedi Vader on 04-15-2013
[QUOTE=gmc_rfc_06;13249866]Just had to bump this one, it was the most hilarious of them all....can't believe how many people agreed with Donaire. =============================== Can you see it yet?[/QUOTE] Hahahaha hardcore ownage right there!!!Comment by gmc_rfc_06 on 04-15-2013
Just had to bump this one, it was the most hilarious of them all....can't believe how many people agreed with Donaire. =============================== [QUOTE=gmc_rfc_06;13137563]Hence why I said Donaire has the power. Still, Rigo also has good power as well as being…Post a Comment - View More User Comments (103)


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Skip to comments.Motorists detained as police search for robbery suspect(All Adults Handcuffed In Every Car)
Posted on 06/03/2012 3:23:17 AM PDT by AmonAmarth
AURORA, Colo. Police have a person of interest in custody in connection with the robbery of the Wells Fargo back at 15301 E. Hampden Avenue Saturday afternoon.
Immediately following the robbery, police closed the intersection of Iliff and Buckley after reports the suspect might have taken hostages.
According to our crew on the scene, police stopped and searched nearly two dozen cars. The adult occupants of the vehicles were handcuffed during the investigation.
This is the problem, your brothers and sisters are the general public.
You have separated yourself from the general public and act all aggrieved upon.
Your self separation from the public, the mere civilians, the by your own words not your brothers and sisters, is the problem.
Everyone of those folks need to hire an attorney and sue the city. This is an outrage. Are you with me Scoutmaster?
"You see all cops as criminals, I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime."
Investigate a crime all you want, but don't think you have totalitarian control over the poeple to do so. It is disturbing for you to say that you believe that you should have totalitarian control just because you wear a badge.
Sounds as if you are a leo. But it also sounds as if you don't have the temperment or the stones for the job. If you are a leo then you must have missed the day in leo school when they went over the Constitution of these United States of America.
"I mean, as opposed to simply doing nothing what should have been done?"
I hope you are not a cop if you are that stupid as to not know the answer to that question.
The guy is a mental midget. He believes he has the right to do as he pleases as long as it is in the name of "law enforcement".
Legal, and the preferred technique for dealing with serfs.
No problem...
Vee ver yust followink ohders.
Yeah, that defense works every time.
"RURO, Mass., Jan. 7 - In an unusual last-ditch move to find clues to the three-year-old killing of a freelance fashion writer, police investigators are trying to get DNA samples from every man in this Cape Cod hamlet, all 790 or so, or as many as will agree."
Was that sarcasm? It's so hard to tell these days...
You may come upon something helpful here:
You seem a little weak on 5th amendment comprehension.
That's what the nazi war criminals said also
I wonder how many LEOs share his twisted views, and consider "so-called patriots" to be as dangerous as criminals to his "brothers and sisters" in LE.
Clearly, he puts himself and other LEOs above us mere peasants, and as far as his oath to defend the Constitution....he seems to have forgotten that entirely.
Apparently part of that is in place already. I'm old enough to remember when the police would investigate a burglary. These days they won't even file a report of one.
Throw us a sop, wouldja? At least pretend you care.
If you can't do your job within the confines of the constitution, you should quit. You're sarcastic remarks show a clear willingness to trample on the rights and liberties of any citizen you come in contact with because, gee, what else could I do to serve and protect.
Typical idiot anymore, isn't it? "Don't blame me I am just trying to {insert lame excuse here}".
Whenever I hear the phrase, "just trying to", I know I am talking to an adult with the mind of a small child.
He is the type of pinhead that will be shooting at us and feeling completely justified in doing so but will be completely confused when we shoot back.
Surpised they didn't put all schools within a 500 mile radius on "lockdown"
Because criminals ALWAYS run to the schools when they are in trouble.
Spot on, well said.
Can't argue with that.
Post 37. What's the matter with everyone this morning?
He is in the majority, if the Milgram experiment is anywhere close to reality.
This is why you should not be in law enforcement. Your loyalty and sense of public duty is misplaced from the public to the pack.
Does this not violate your police oath?
I, for one, am tired of LEO using the "danger" of their job to excuse violating the rights of citizens. Law enforcement is not even in the top ten dangerous occupations.
It's the new American way...everybody is a suspect,everybody is guilty,everybody is a criminal.
Speaking of experiments, I recommend that everyone reading this thread should mention the Aurora motorist search to the nearest person under 30. Ask the young person if what the cops did was proper or not, and ask why. You may be surprised.
The ones I know here in San Jose all seem to be of above average IQ, and have pretty well developed senses of humor.
Maybe that's why San Jose is one of the safest large cities in America?
So now...completely innocent people are made helpless to defend themselves.
Excellent post.
Unfortunately, people feel compelled to perform since they find the negative consequences less appealing than following orders against their personal morals and ethics. This is how wars are begun: When those giving the orders believe they have something to gain and have enough authority to compel others to do their dirty work. Of course, it is up to the actual righteous to thwart those efforts by fighting back. This is where modern society has failed to teach the lessons of war. Unlike history, when a war is won we no longer burn the cities, salt the fields, execute the men, rape the women and enslave the children, so people feel a war is not too bad since if they lose they simply go on with their lives. Hence, those in authority are able to convince others not to resist them as resistance will be painful but war isnt so bad. Punishment has a purpose.
Yesterday, my wife and I were at Unique Thrift Store at Iliff and Buckley shopping. During that time, the Aurora Police responded to an apparent robbery of a bank. In the process of that response, the police stopped multiple vehicles by force, forcibly evicted individuals from their vehicles at gun point, handcuffed individuals, traumatized children and adults alike, all of whom, apart from one suspect, were innocent. In all this, there was NO probable cause, NO search warrant, etc. This whole ordeal was a blatant violation of the constitutional rights of every US citizen; it was illegal harassment, search and seizure, and temporary arrest on a mass scale. Is this now a police state in which we are living? What happened to our constitutional republic? Do those in charge at the Aurora Police Department believe they can act as vigilantes outside our republic's constitutional law and legal framework? Using the excuse that they "felt they had no other choice" but to conduct such an operation if they were to catch the "bad guy" is NO EXCUSE AT ALL. In fact, to carry out the law (arrest the robber), the police themselves chose, quite intentionally it seems, to violate several laws, upon which this entire country is founded, themselves! That is outrageous, and the Aurora Police department should be up in arms over it! Do you folks want this country to be a police state, or do you prefer to see it remain the great country it has been since its founding? You are on the former course with such blatantly illegal and unconstitutional behavior on the part of your officers. This is a sad day for Aurora, Colorado, and for the United States when police officers feel they are above the law to carry out the law! I for one expect to see the Aurora Police Department sued left and right for violating the constitutional and other legal rights of those whom its officers illegally and wrongfully traumatized yesterday. It is my hope that those officers responsible for this fiasco face serious penalties and are held accountable to the public and the citizens of this state of Colorado and our United States over these events. It matters not to me, as a citizen, that the Aurora Police Department caught a suspect when the price of doing so was the mass violation of the law on the part of the officers involved. This is truly an example of where the end does NOT justify the means! I would gladly provide my contact information, and speak directly with those responsible for this mess, were it not for my sadly legitimate concern that there would be more vigilante action coming from the Aurora Police Department or its vigilante officers over my doing so! In fact, by conducting itself in this way, the Aurora Police Department has harmed its own reputation with the public in Aurora and beyond in a very severe manner that will have repercussions for many years to come; yes, it IS that egregious. As a concerned citizen and committed Christian who cares, I pray that those in charge at the Aurora Police Department legally and constitutionally address this "wickedness" and vigilantism in the ranks and clean house.
"Pets being killed on the spot for no reason"? What's that all about? They haven't come after my pet yet. But then i don't have a worthless POS pit bull either.
"But then i dont have a worthless POS pit bull either."
So, explain why the other 99% of dogs shot were not Pitbulls.
Apparently your not well read, Googl, dogs shot by police and see what you come up with, your ignorance is very unbecoming of a Freeper
You mean the kyeeds? LOL!
Careful calling someone else ignorant on the internet, there's this vaguely karmic thing going 'round that ends up making you look ignorant, too.
Video here, showing people cuffed on ground (and no bystanders emitting a peep of protest).
You can certainly argue with this, but I think the operative item was: "Immediately following the robbery, police closed the intersection of Iliff and Buckley after reports the suspect might have taken hostages."
If the officers were polite, and explained why they were handcuffing all the adults, then I think they at least had a good excuse for what they were doing. They likely didn't have enough officers to watch and question all the cars' occupants at once, and if they didn't do something like this, they risked having a hostage killed.
Ordinarily, I would be mad as hell if this happened to me. But I would put up with it if it was explained that innocent hostages might otherwise die before they had a chance to search the cars and question everyone.
That guy needs to file a complaint with the sheriff against the Aurora PD and the individual officers.
I didnt mean he was totally ignorant, I meant ignorant on the subject I was commenting on. But point taken.
Incredible. I cannot believe these folks just stand there, some with smiles on their faces, while this took place.
Re the comment from person on scene:
He's outraged and too chickensh to do anything about it, even write a letter and sign it.
I rest my case.
And if they refused to consent to a search? Did the cops do it anyway? Has the constitution now been replaced by the Walls Fargo stock certificate? Do these fascist "cops" realize that Wells Fargo has insurance, and will survive if the money isn't found, but that our Bill of Rights IS our insurance against tyranny? Any officer who did this should be fired.
Can you say,"intersecting fields of fire"?
I knew you could !
I may even agree with your point of view; however, seems like you are here to hit hornets nests.
Believe it. They are the 21st c Americans. Stupid, cowardly and utterly obedient.
If you're leo officer ,how did you ever get pass the mental exam ?
some of your pass post
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Yep thats what I obviously meant: looting. Thats me, a murdering privateer.
It wasnt that I referencing the fact that if the worst happens the things that will be worth more than gold will be: food, clean water, ammunition.
Who cares about gold when your family is starving or dying from dysentery because theres no clean water?
Who cares about gold if you have no guns or ammunition to protect it or maybe your family?
Nope, thats me, Im just waiting for the end times so I can go about serial killing everybody.....yep that would be me.
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I prefer to invest in lead, as in ammo. Then I can take your gold if I need it.
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It's especially bad when the cops are hopping into folks backyards to get a peak into a neighbor's backyard, and they blow away the labs and golden's in the totally uninvolved person's own yard. "I felt threatened" (by a lab or a golden retriever) is no damn excuse at all, when the cop is on private property on a fishing expedition. Yet they do it, and they get away with it.
Here in NE Florida, the Jax PD has a new standard for shooting "suspects." The cop just has to say, "I ordered him to show his hands, and he didn't."
The only witness, being dead, can't contradict the cop's story. So basically, a JPD cop can shoot a suspect, kill him, and then just claim the dead suspect "refused to show his hands."
That is a hop-skip-jump from extrajudicial execution.
Glad to see the boot lickers are out. Hopefully you'll volunteer to be first on the rail car......the rest of us have guns and will resist tyranny.
You know where US personnel conduct mass detentions, aka block parties? Iraq and Afghanistan.....those would be war zones. I don't think our local tyrants are quite ready for this to become a war zone, so they damn well better stop acting like it.
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Magistrates' Examinations, Police Interrogations, and Miranda-Like Rules in the Nineteenth Century
Wesley M. Oliver
Duquesne Law School
Tulane Law Review, Vol. 81, p. 777, 2007
Widener Law School Legal Studies Research Paper No. 08-14
The New York legislature in the early-nineteenth century began to require interrogators to warn suspects of their right to silence and counsel. The Warren Court, in Miranda v. Arizona, did not invent the language of the warnings; rather, it resurrected the warnings that were no longer given in New York after the latter half of the nineteenth century. The confessions rule, a judicially created rule of evidence much like the modern voluntariness rule, excluded many statements if any threat or inducement was made to the suspect. Courts in the early-nineteenth century, however, were willing to accept confessions notwithstanding an improper inducement if the suspect had been given the now-famous warnings. The warnings remained in place until the newly elected New York judiciary began to retreat from the strict version of the confessions rule that prompted interrogators to give those warnings. The threat of losing statements to the confessions rule was greater than the threat that suspects would exercise the rights of which police advised them - at least until the judiciary substantially weakened the confessions rule.
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darthnihilius, on 19 October 2011 - 11:30 PM, said:
10XXX UCS RGS: minifig scale, with 2 Aqua clone troopers, Rex, Hardcase, Kix, Jesse, and Dogma from the Umbara arc, plus two pilots.
XXXX Battle in the Tubes: The water tubes from the Mon Calamari arc. Comes with Ahsoka (Aqua gear), Prince Lee-Char, 4 Aqua droids, 1 Republic Undersea speeder
The UCS, because if they do a UCS RGS it would have to from the movies as it has to be iconic from the movies due to it being aimed at older audience.
As for the second idea, Lego hate to release locations, and that's why a "Battle of Mon Calamari" set is more plausible, because it's with vehicles, not with a location like the tubes would be.