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Flannery vs Bolt transcript
Andrew Bolt
–, Thursday, June, 10, 2010, (1:02am)
Here's the transcript from my confrontation yesterday with alarmist Tim Flannery on MTR 1377. (Listen here.)
It was extraordinary to have Flannery deny what I had before me in black and white - his wilder predictions, his previous support for nuclear power - and even stranger to have him claim that non-existent desalination plants save cities such as Brisbane from avoiding the warming-caused dry he predicted.
I'm sorry I ran out of time to ask him about the $90 million his geothermal investment received from the Rudd Government last year, his conflicts of interest, his concession that there had been an inexplicable pause in global warming, his frequent-flying hypocrisy, his baseless scare about Antarctic melting, his involvement in Sir Richard Brazen's joy-flights in space and more. But enjoy:
Flannery: I'm unlikely to vote for him because my trust has been eroded away… He promised to deliver an emissions trading scheme and he's then withdrawn that with very little justification…
Bolt: He said he wouldn't move now until the rest of the world did something which is a direct repudiation of what he said before. But, Tim, part of the reason, of course, that he's backed down is that there's been a great swing in sentiment against this kind of thing, there's a rising tide of scepticism. How much are you to blame for some of that?
Flannery : There is some swing in sentiment. And I think it's very hard to maintain any issue with that sort of very high level of support for a long time. So there's some, but what is happening around the world should give us all heart. We've seen China now pledged to reduce is emissions intensity by over 40 per cent.
Bolt: It's still going to build a coal-fired power station every week or so.
Flannery: And what that is going to do if that's achieved by 2020 is put us on track to avoid dangerous climate change. But for us to do that, places like Australia and the US, the wooden spooners in this debate, actually have to do their part.
Bolt: But, Tim, I'm just wondering, there has been a rise in scepticism. That's precisely why the Liberals, for example, have switched from supporting an ETS to opposing it ... and they dumped their leader over it. Now I'm wondering to what extent are you to blame for rising scepticism about some of the more alarming claims about global warming.
Flannery : Well, many of the things that scientists highlight may happen are very alarming. They're not alarmist but they are worrisome. Rises in sea-level for instance are a significant issue.
Bolt: Well, let's go through some of your own claims. You said , for example, that Adelaide may run out of water by early 2009. Their reservoirs are half full now. You said Brisbane would probably run out of water by 2009. They are now 97 per cent full. And Sydney could be dry as early as 2007. Their reservoirs are also more than half full. How can you get away with all these claims?
Flannery: What I have said is that there is a water problem. They may run out of water. And ..
Bolt: 100 per cent full, nearly!
Flannery: And thankfully, Andrew, governments have taken that to heart and been building some desalination capacity such as in Perth.
Bolt: Only in Perth.
Flannery: No, there's plans in every capital city..
Bolt: No, no, no, you said Brisbane would run out of water possibly by as early as 2009. There's no desalination plant, there's no dam. It's now 100 per full.
Flannery: That's a lie, Andrew. I didn't say it would run out of water. I don't have a crystal ball in front of me. I said Brisbane has a water problem.
Bolt: I'll quote your own words: "Water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months." That was, on the timeline you gave, by the beginning of 2009. Their reservoirs are now 97 per cent full.
Flannery: Yeah, sure. There's variability in rainfall. They still need a desal plant.
Bolt: You also warned that Perth would be the 21 century's first ghost metropolis.
Flannery: I said it was… may.
Bolt: It's all "may".
Right? Because at that stage there had been no flows into that water catchment for a year and the water engineers were terrified.
Bolt: Have you seen the water catchment levels here, see, they're tracking above the five year level. I'm showing you now.
Flannery: You know what I came in here to talk about, Andrew, here? it's our farm day we're doing with our Deakin lecture series in Bendigo, at the Bendigo town hall today. And it's a really exciting event…
Andrew: All that's lovely, Tim. But I think you need to be held to account for the alarmism that is in part your stock in trade, your schtick,, and is responsible for what you now see – the retreat from global warming policies.
Flannery: You want to paint me as an alarmist.
Bolt: You are an alarmist.
Flannery: I'm a very practical person.
Bolt: I 'm asking you to defend these quotes.
Flannery: Well, I've done that already
Bolt: You said the Arctic could be ice free two years ago.
Flannery: No I didn't…
[Price interrupts, and we argue over the questioning.]
Bolt: I'm asking Tim whether he repents from all these allegations about cities running out of water, cities turning into ghost cities, sea level rises up to an eight storey high building. Don't you think that is in part why people have got more sceptical.
Flannery: I don't, actually, because some of those things are possibilities in the future if we continue polluting as we do. And we've already seen impacts in southern Australia on all of those cities. Everyone remembers the water restrictions and so forth. Just because we get a good, wet year doesn't mean we should forget about the problem. We actually have to deal with this long term drying trend and that means securing our water supply.
Bolt: You warn about sea level rises up to an eight-storey building. How soon will that happen?
Flannery: Asking that question is it's a bit like asking a stock analyst when the next stock market crash is going to happen and how big it's going to be. No one can. We can all see the underlying weakness in the market in the months before the crash..
Bolt: Thousands of years?
Flannery: Could be thousands of years.
Bolt: Tens of thousands of years?
Flannery: Could be hundreds of years.
Bolt: Hundreds of years?
Flannery: It could be hundreds of years. The thermo- dynamics of ice sheets are very, very difficult to predict., but what we do know when we look back is the fossil record is that when the world is a degree or two warmer than it is now seal levels rise very significantly - between four and 14 metres above where they are. We can't say how long it takes for that rise to happen because the fossil record just isn't good enough, it isn't accurate enough…
Bolt: Should we also have nuclear power plants?
Flannery: In Australia I don't think so. We've got such a great load of assets in the renewable area that I don't think there's an argument here that they are ever going to be economic.
Bolt: Four years ago you did. What changed your mind?
Flannery: No, I never did. I've always had the same argument.
Bolt: No, no, no. Here's your quote: "Over the next two decades Australians could use nuclear power to replace all our coal –fired power plants. We would then have a power infrastructure like France and in doing so we would have done something great for the world". That was your quote.
Flannery: I don't recall saying that at all.
Bolt: You wrote it. You wrote it in The Age. There it is, highlighted.
Flannery: Well ,very good.
Bolt: That's the point, you know, you make these claims and when people confront you , you walk away from them.
Flannery: But that was about "may". No, no, you said "may". And Australia may be able to do that. It's not what I recommend and I never have recommended it. But what I do say…
Bolt: "We would have done something great for the world".
Flannery: But what I do say, nuclear power, right, getting away from coal would be great for the world. Why should we take the most expensive option in this country, which has always been recognised as having the most expensive and difficult option. We are going to see a whole lot of other technologies and innovations which are now well under way which we could use instead of nuclear power.
Bolt: Such as?
Flannery: Such as concentrated PV technology, geothermal technology, wave power, wind power…
Bolt: You're an investor in geothermal technology , aren't you?
Flannery: Yeah, I am. Indeed.
Bolt: How come you don't declare that.
Flannery: Well, I've just done it.
Bolt: You just did because I told you. You said that geothermal , which you are in investor of, you've got a plant, you've invested in a plant in Innamincka and you said the technology was really easy. How come.that plant....
Flannery: Not really that easy.
Bolt: Well, yes. It's actually had technological difficulties and it's been delayed two years because it's not that easy, after all, is it?
Flannery: Well, any new technology is going to be difficult to bring to fruition. It's a bit like generation for nuclear. There's challenges all the way. But in terms of geothermal there are many places in the world where you can actually drill down and get into a hot rock body such as ...
Price: Andrew, we're going to have to go.
Have Your Say
Hilarious is flim-flam flannery. Hilarious.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:07am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (06:31am)
This part is particularly disturbing…
Flannery: It could be hundreds of years. The thermo- dynamics of ice sheets are very, very difficult to predict., but what we do know when we look back is the fossil record is that when the world is a degree or two warmer than it is now seal levels rise very significantly - between four and 14 metres above where they are.
Rising seal levels have always been a significant concern of mine. Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:33am)
I loved it when Steve Price tried to cut Mr. Bolt off by telling him it was 'his' show, to which the retort was 'our show'. My sides nearly split.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:20am)
Multi-millionaire Marxist and Climate Alarmist Prof Flannery had his head handed to him by Bolt.
It is clear that he aspires to be a billionaire in the same way that Al Gore has become on the back of Government handouts and regulations.
Flannery should be mocked at every opportunity for his craven duplicity.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:28am)
I am convinced Tim posts here under the name
Big Troll Big Ted.
Both cling desperately to a myth that has been well and truely de-bunked.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (03:30pm)
I like it when you you catch people out who can't defend exaggerated claims. Now, if only you would give the same treatment to the mining tax alarmists like Clive Palmer and Andrew Forrest who are predicting the end of the resources industry in Australia....
Thu 10 Jun 10 (04:34pm)
Nice job Andrew, it's about time someone held these shonks to account. The media should be doing it, but we all know only a brave few will.
"I'm sorry I ran out of time to ask him about the...."
Wouldn't have made any difference Andrew, all you'd get is more weaseling and slithering around.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (06:24pm)
SO ANdrew, when is Flannery booked to come back in for round two? Seems to me that you're up to the challenge (but can we give Steve Price the day off next time?)
All thats missing from this transcript is him advertising his solar plow which i would of loved to see work in yesterdays sun , i wonder if they needed to use some huge lights to demonstrate it working ?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:11am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:49am)
More talk than torque
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:19am)
selectively transcribed - Flannery's approach of practicallity somewhat echos that of Tony Abbot's I thought.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:44am)
After the dull days we have recently had here in the Dandenong Ranges, the solar powered school speed limit sign was not working. Ran out of puff, I guess. We have some horse drawn ploughs for sale here, if anyone needs to plough the yard. Can't help with a horse though.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:09am)
Laurabelle replied to t
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:44am)
After the dull days we have recently had here in the Dandenong Ranges, the solar powered school speed limit sign was not working.
Load of rubbish. Even on the most overcast days they produce easily enough electricity to run those signs.
You have come to this conclusion bout why the signs aren't working yourself and decided to display it as fact. Does this make you a liar?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:13pm)
@ Chas
Do you live in or near the Dandenongs?
It is regularly foggy until 3 or 4 in the afternoon and if there is low cloud it hangs around all day.
When the sun's rays can get through fog or low cloud, give me a bell....
Thu 10 Jun 10 (03:05pm)
Chas has just shown that he does not know how stand-alone solar systems are sized. Listen up, kiddo. All stand-alone solar systems run off a battery. The panels are sized so that it would charge the batteries and charge up the batteries on a bright clear day in optimal conditions.
At no time would there be a suggestion that the solar panels will keep the load afloat during the worst days, let alone do it easily.
How do I know? I work with solar panels and stand-alone solar systems. They are my stock in trade. One of them anyway.
You are full of crap, Chas. Utterly full of it.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (05:04pm)
Er, Chas you forgot to quote Laurabelle's line -
. That infers Laurabelle was making an observation rather than claiming to state a fact.
Ran out of puff, I guess
You're getting a bit desperate when you attack a very minor point like that. Can't you defend Tiny Tim's woeful performance against AB?
Makes you wonder how intelligent this guy is, or he's just arrogant and thinks us little guys are plain dumb
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:14am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (07:31am)
His arrogance is amazing. He seems to be of the opinion that we should happy to pay for massive offsets for the elite to piss up against the wall.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (07:44am)
Anthony, don't for a moment think that Tim Flannery lacks intelligence, as I wrote in my post of yesterday "Tim is well aware of the exaggerations in his rhetoric, he's not a fool, he's in it for the money".
Surely you can not condemn a man for trying to make a (honest?) living, we allow the members of the Rudd government to do it.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:48am)
"[We live in] a structural society which emphasizes organizational and professional pluralism in the distribution of power and prestige. Knowledge rather than experience becomes the major asset and there is the increasing problem of 'educated incapacity'. By 'educated incapacity' we mean an acquired or learned inability to understand or see a problem, much less a solution.
Increasingly, the more expert, or at least the more educated, a person is, the more likely he is to be affected by this."
Herman Kahn (1976), The Next Two Hundred Years, Morrow (Harper-Collins), NY, page 22.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:23am)
He knows the meaning of "may". Do you? There is your answer… if you don't know what it means, you are, in your words, "plain dumb".
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:12am)
Actually, BT, the correct term is "might" or "could".
The word "may" has connotations of having or requiring permission, which clearly is inappropriate in the context of Flannery's talk.
There is your answer… if you don't know what it means, you are, in your words, "plain dumb".
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:13am)
But BT, if 'may' is used to portray a possibility, it is just as likely that things 'may not' happen as predicted. Why aren't the arguments using words like 'may', might', 'could', 'possibly' not be balanced with the opposite view that it is just as likely that these 'might not'...?
To portray one side of the argument without acknowledging the other side exists is 'alarmism'...and yes, the same 'could' be said about 'denialism'…
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:22am)
Big Ted - the word 'may' is just a cowardly cop out of having a safe bet each way - I'm therefore surprised you don't use it more often..
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:31am)
Big Ted,
Is there any temperature rise related prediction that Flim Flammery has made which has been verified rather than falsified? I think its perfectly fair to call him out for being an alarmist if he runs around spouting large numbers of "this disaster may happen" scares and every single one of them - all of them - that's 100%- turn out to be false, but he just keeps going with more.
[Note I said "if" ie even if you come up with one that's come true I'll just do a Flammery and say "but I said "if" so I'm not wrong". You'd back me up on that, wouldn't you?]
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:54am)
Big Ted,
'They might run out of water' There ya go, fixed it for you.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (12:16pm)
Big Ted, you obviously agree that Flannery is in it for the money, are you?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (12:29pm)
I may win lotto every day next week, or I may grow an extra penis.
Neither event is likely however, but is possible, which is the meaning of "may", Teddles.
Flannels has never placed any sort of caveat on his dire and cretinous predictions, so stop trying to defend the indefensible.
You're not Stephen Hopper by any chance?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (12:47pm)
Ted, that is pretty weak.
After all, all of the following may occur based on mathematical probability ;
- I may win Tattslotto
- I may be hit by lightning
- Earth may be destroyed by space debris
In a scientific discussion, surely a probability factor should replace the word MAY. Heck keeping things simple (as in low medium or high probability) would be a reasonable expectation.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:04pm)
Ah yes, Big Ted, I may be struck by lightning one day, as I do spend a fair bit of time out in the open with my numerous fruit trees, I may get involved in a nasty car accident as I am on the road a lot (clocking up easily 700,000 kms since) etc. I can list many more things that may happen to me.
Do you know the word "may" can mean different things to different people, especially for those who refuse to admit the possibility of it happening is so low, it is practically impossible for it to occur?
Sigh, what does a seasoned logical thinker like me know? You may be right after all. But I am absolutely certain I am wrong in thinking that you may be right.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:24pm)
Big Ted its been shown conclusively that the most successful strategy for promoting all of this climate change alarmism centres around the consistent use of the precautionary principle which effectively bypasses logic and reason in an attempt to lock onto emotions.
Saying sea levels 'may' rise by 14m is technically correct but ridiculously unlikely, I'm more likely to get eaten by a shark (on dry land I might add).
Thu 10 Jun 10 (03:40pm)
Ofcourse he is arrogant
He got KRudd to hand over 90 million for his thermal conjob
As everything he has said has been proven outright lies can i and every other taxpayer have the money back
Or shall we take this scam artist to court to retrieve it
Thu 10 Jun 10 (04:42pm)
Big Teddy Bear. If you are capable of being honest with yourself ... I doubt you are, you would realize Tim Flan can use the word "MAY" yet through his tone, intent & authority can imply absolute certainty. That approach is not new. It is used in marketing or brainwashing all the time.
The real proof of what Flannery's intent was, is in the impact of his message on his gullible worshippers.
The reaction by many of those I have talked to after they heard Flannery & others of his manipulative deceptive ilk, was that he may as well have said his predictions were definitely going to occur.
Your comments show that you are excusing the Flannery's clear mistakes. Obviously lying is OK for you. Wake up sonny. Your comments are foolish. just be open to the truth, not ideology. CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE ?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (07:21pm)
Some of the giant minds here think that the chance of growing an extra penis or getting hit in the a**e by a rainbow is comparable with Brisbane or Melbourne facing restrictions on water supply… I see much activity on the national water infrastructure front, while no double-flied undies on the horizon.
Andrew good on you for holding this man to account. I cannot believe how he tried to 'deny' his own words that he wrote. this man is an alarmist, anarchist, a believer of the end of the world.
Im disgusted by the false prophecies he makes regarding climate change.
It begs the question if he can make this nonsense up 'Brisbane having no water' how many others over at the IPCC claim the same false prophecies?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:19am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:49am)
this man is an alarmist, anarchist, a believer of the end of the world. Im disgusted by the false prophecies he makes regarding climate change.
He's also a chiseler peddling a hoax for personal gain. Yet Andrew says at the outset of the MTR segment "I like Tim Flannery". That's Andrew's good heart showing more than anything else. He's a better man than me for that!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:00pm)
You need to research "climategate" if you are unaware of the IPCC's lies!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:01pm)
Actually, we in Brisbane did almost run out of drinking water. I think we got down to around 13% in the dams.
However, it wasn't because of drought in Brisbane. It simply didn't rain in the normal catchment areas. Elsewhere, it pissed down.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:24pm)
But why is Andrew the only journo challenging this spokesman for the Cult - he is without credentials and is just a scare-monger, on the global warming gravy train for his own ego and benefit. This man is without integrity or principles - he is an embarrassment to Australia and should not purport to represent Australia internationally on any issue or circumstance.
Excellent Andrew.
He was reeling under those haymakers you were landing.
But in the end, I am a cynic and beleive people will just forget it all. Keep trying to make them remeber though.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:25am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (07:00am)
Yep Gecko, exactly; "haymakers". Notice how on the left even when faced with the truth, the arrogant and anger kicks in? They simply can't cope with opponents of group think who dare not do as their told and fall into line.
Flannery: That's a "lie", Andrew. I didn't say it would run out of water. I don't have a crystal ball in front of me. I said Brisbane has a water problem.
In Professor Flannery's defence, I would say that he is always very careful to choose words - like "could", "may" etc - which establishes clearly that he is talking about some hypothetical Australia, perhaps in a parallel universe.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:26am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:00am)
He must have learned that scientific technique from Erich von Daniken or Doris Stokes - two very famous "scientists" from the seventies.
They always spoke that way about matters just as credible as his favourite topic.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:36am)
it's an out for them isn't it. "I said may" allows them to say anything. Does that mean I can yell out "that man may have a gun" at rush hour in Flinders St Station? No, of course not, there would be consequences and I would be arrested. the word MAY does not allow you to scaremonger indescriminately!!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:31am)
Use of the word "may" simply shifts Flannery from "scientist" to "sooth sayer" and he should be treated as such.
I contend that an asteroid "may" hit the earth. In fact it "could" hit me right on the head. Im an Astrophysicist you now.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (12:07pm)
While conveniently knowing that that press will drop the 'mays' and 'coulds' from their headlines, so the average punter only sees certainty in the media
Well done, Andrew!
However, the ever-slippery Mr Flannery slid over a significant point in the rush (I heard about half of that before I had to leave the car).
He said:
'Flannery: I don't, actually, because some of those things are possibilities in the future if we continue polluting as we do.'
Now, is Mr Flannery a sloppy thinker to confuse dangerous global warming with pollution, or does he have a blind spot about environmental issues, or does he genuinely believe that the two are linked causally?
And, why?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:28am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:39am)
The AGW hysterics have deliberately been calling CO2 'carbon pollution' for a while.
Now they just call it 'pollution'.....it's a marketing technique, hoping pictures of big black Russian steelworks smokestacks get implanted in the punters' brains as what AGW is all about.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:28am)
TT - how about the ridiculous consistency of showing photos of 'chimneys' at nasty power plants with 'smoke' coming out of them, when in fact they are water cooling towers and that is steam drifting out of them - observe too a bit of photo shop going on, giving the image a dirty grey color as well !
What a con !!
With performances like that andrew, it is increasingly unlikely than any of these charletons will have the guts to enter your studio.
And I don't know to what extent listeners will actually come to their senses and turn against the Flannerys and Gores of this world.
As Einstein said:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:29am)
Flim flam Flannery just a flanneled fool full of falsehoods.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:34am)
Listening to it now....
Steve Price really spoilt a great interview! Andrew you asked valid questions they way any reporter or interviewer should!
Steve should have kept quiet!
It's called keeping people accountable Steve!
Good Job Andrew!!!!!!!!!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:36am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (06:39am)
I was going to post something like that but know I could not improve on your post. Well said.
I wonder if Mr.Price knows that we are sick of being patronised.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (07:09am)
Barb, his easy ride on Rudd was worse. When saying voters dislike for Rudd was personal, he allowed him to just pause and arrogantly go back to his slogans. Could just feel the seething anger in that pause at the 'audacity' of being questioned on a contentious issue outside of the script.
What 'non-existant' desalination plants? Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne and Sydney are all getting De-sal plants. This alone is evidence of Australias decreasing rainfall, as shown by the bureau of Meteorology.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:42am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (06:32am)
I think one of Andrews points was that in the case of Queensland where there is no desal plant the dams are fairly full despite Flannerys previous predictions. He tries to get out of it by using the word 'may. But he did predict things which simply have not happened. If he simply said we have a water problem ok, I'll listen to him but his statements go further and are alarmist as Andrew pointed out.
Flannery is exactly the reason why I am unconvinced about climate change. I don't know why a University would give him the time of day.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (06:47am)
So if the government allows housing estates to be built on the coast - is that evidence that the oceans are NOT rising?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (06:52am)
That alone is evidence of increased demand, decreased forethought and something very dodgy about the relationship between climate change spruikers and State Labor parties.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (07:15am)
'This alone is evidence of Australias decreasing rainfall, as shown by the bureau of Meteorology.'
Whoops, 4 billion.
Fom the BOM's own website, check and scroll down to Aust decadal rainfall:-
This decade has been the second wettest since 1900.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (07:29am)
No, it is not evidence of Australia's decreasing rainfall as you assert. What effect do you think rising population has on water consumption? Believe what you like, but saying that desal plant planning is evidence of changes in rainfall is just stupid.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:03am)
My mother told me never to stare at peopl like you
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:09am)
That's evidence of government stupidity, not lack of rainfall.
To have water you need:
1) rain
2) dams
3) proper management of catchments.
1) hasn't changed much
2) Lots more people , no new dams
3) The greenies won't allow proper vegetation management.
See http://www.warwickhughes.com for a good explanation of what is really happening.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:15am)
Uh actually they don't exist yet "....Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne and Sydney ARE all getting De-sal plants." This doesn't actually mean they'll go ahead (hopefully) with these power guzzling white elephants.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:17am)
4billion, they are non-existant. Until they are built, and operating, they don't exist in regards to water production. Flannery said with out these plants these cities may run out of water. Whilst, a hypothesising comment it is just the number of them that is over the top. In addition a desal plant take so much power to generate the water it is beyond the renewable capacity (even with all of the super pv sites proposed by Flannery). So in effect he is supporting greater emissions.
Frankly Flannery tone of speach and status given suggests that he is a great technical/scientific adviser for Australia, but when you list to what actually comes out hios mouth you realise his views and thoughts are very infantile. They lack logic, scientific clarity, wholistic analysis, and are full of idealism.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:30am)
Would'nt be the increase in population by any chance?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:33am)
Governments building desal plants is "proof" of decreasing rainfall? Has it occurred to you that a rising population means increased demand for water? Also only Perth has an operating desal plant. You can't say that Brisbane reservoirs are 97% full because of a desal plant Queensland is planning to build but doesn't yet exist? And you claim to be a voice of reason????
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:37am)
Wow, that's showing him. Oh wait - the desal plants don't have anything to do with the rapidly increasing population in the capital cities, do they?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:44am)
Desal plants are a waste of money - all the councils you mentione could have built dams for far less costs but because they were scare of offsiding the greenies they took the easy way out. Would not surprise me to find out that the unions had shares in the construction companies responsible for building the plants as well!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:57am)
Well the problem with that 4billion is that none of those plants are operational and these cities have increased their holdings of water precisely because there has been a return of rainfall. You know we used to understand about variable climate in this country long before we had alarmists and so we built dams to store water for those times when supplies varied.
The other problem is what power source is going to run those 'miracle' desalination plants. Most need huge quantities of electricity and we are not building new power plants to run them, will we all die of thirst next to a non-functioning desalination plant because we were too stupid to build a power station to run it?
Or is this going to magically run on wind power?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:01am)
This alone is evidence of the stupidity of governments. We can't keep increasing the population, especially in the major cities, and expect them to survive on 1960's dam storage.
Build more dams NOW!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:22am)
Er, pardon?
Are you REALLY saying that because all these governments are building de-sal plants, the rainfall MUST be decreasing?
Score 10/10 for woolly thinking, 4-billion!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:26am)
Australia's rainfall is not decreasing, it is increasing.
BOM like GISS has a selective memory, and likes to choose baselines which are misleading.
It is exactly claims like this from BOM and from Tim Flannery which lose the trust of real people.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:36am)
We're building desalination plants, and that's PROOF of decreasing rainfall?
4 billion, it's time to take your medication, old son.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:42am)
No, it's evidence that Labor can't afford to lose Green preferences by building dams that provide much cheaper water.
It's not a difficult concept.....
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:03am)
One of the main reasons for the desal plants is becaise the idiot greeoids wont allow any more dams to be built to collect the rain fall necesary to support the population growth.
The absence of rain fall over the last few short years in some areas is nothing unusal,and in fact the rainfall pattern over the MDB over the last 100 or so years shows an increase.
Which is what you would expect with a slight increase in temperature..caused by whatever takes your fancy
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:03am)
"non-existent" as in "does not exist". They do not currently exist do they? Therefore they are non-existent.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:07am)
Nothing to do with an increasing population in those four cities mentioned then?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:13am)
Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne and Sydney are all getting De-sal plants. This alone is evidence of Australias inability to build a dam in the last 60 years.
There, fixed.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:19am)
Where exactly is this BoM data.. $4B? Flannery is part of the cause of the panic by State Labor Govts. His idiotic unsubstantiated (datawise or anything wise) prognostications has caused serious wastage of public finances on boondoggles and diverted public funds to more useful purposes!
The desal plants for Perth, Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne were the worst possible option taken by ...you guessed it State Labor governments. Other possibilities exist and were ignored!
All cities have had population increases. Dams were feasible in Vic & NSW, but due to the politics of Bob Carr & Steve Bracks to appease the Greens, none were built!
There are catchment issues in Perth, where the efficiency of the catchment is reduced by tree plantation growth...See Warwick Hughes website. Longterm Rainfall in Perth catchments is..well rather much as its always been! Perth also has large aquifers suitable for various uses. There are other options too.
Then there are possibilities of other forms of water either potable and suitable for industrial use, parks and gardens. A few years ago, a hydrologist wrote into this Blog claiming that there is sufficient good quality ground water around Melbourne for various uses. There are multiple local drawpoint sites and recharge areas are a very viable engineering option. (It is working in northern Adelaide). In fact significantly cheaper than a dam on the Mitchell River. The was a link to an engineering paper. It was ignored by the Vic State Govt.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:26am)
4 billion, it is simply NOT TRUE to say the the BoM figures and graphs show evidence of Australia's declining rainfall. What the figures DO show is, that within annual and seasonal statistical variations, Australia's rainfall as measured since 1900 has been remarkably consistent.
Please don't verbal readers of this blog - you are simply wrong, W R O N G wrong!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:28am)
4 b, As well as variable but NOT long term decreasing rainfall over all, the reasons we are getting high cost, inefficient de-sal plants are two: increased populations and total lack of political will to build low cost, efficient dams.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (10:35am)
Building of Desal plants has less to do with decreasing rainfall and much more to do with government policy.
They put their heads in the sand and refused to build traditional water infrastructure (read: dams) despite ongoing population increases (and the additional demand for water that goes with that increase). On a continent that has always had highly variable rainfall patterns.
Building of Desal plants simply demonstrates the current govt preferences for water infrastructure. The fact that most of them were not conceived and constructed until dam levels were incredibly low says nothing about climate change and everything about government and decision making.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:27pm)
Good on you 4 billion. Stupid comments like that keep the hits coming and help AB's stats no end.
I wish that interview had been without Steve Price, Price is pathetic, cant be bothered listening anymore, too much of a struggle with Price cutting you off all the time, very frustrating. What's his problem?
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:52am)
This man has just convicted himself by his own foolish words! Andrew you should have been a Public Prosecutor. Mr Flannery should just plead guilty and give the $90M back to the tax payers, and then do a jail term or perhaps do a tour of the world and refute his own ideas as penance!
Tim Flannery has no credibility whatsoever! No wonder he and Kevin Rudd are mates, as they share the same congenital lying characteristics!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:54am)
Working late writing a column with MTR on and each presenter so far has enjoyed replaying the Flannery flim flam of yesterday morning.
Price's 'My show' retort has also been discussed with more territorial utterances expected this morning.
They have also played Singletons comments regards krudd a couple of times making for entertaining radio.
Just discussed the case of a muslim woman in Sydney who was asked to show her face by a policeman so he could check it against her licence when booking her for a driving offence. She made a racism complaint against him saying he had tried to lift the veil himself.
Oops the cops in car radio and audio proved she was lying. No doubt it will just be excused as traditional Taqiyya but shouldn't this woman be charged with racism against the policeman?
Except for the Vizard segment and the time when Bolt is not on the air in Price's timeslot I starting to like MTR.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:06am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (08:32am)
"but shouldn't this woman be charged with racism against the policeman?"
Not by police. But based on the facts you outline she should CERTAINLY be charged with obstruct police.
Then, when it got to Court and if it wasn't "obstructed" by police management prior to getting there, you would get a practical demonstration of just how spineless and ineffective the justice system can be.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (09:41am)
Ed, in the case of the muslim woman, if she made an official complaint, then she can be charged with making a false statement to police.
And the Public Prosecutor should back the coppers up. This kind of intimidation has to be stopped.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (11:26am)
Ed of Melbourne,
This Muslim woman should be charged with making a false statement, obstructing police and, if such a charge exists, making a frivolous complaint with intent to defraud and/or intimidate.
The policeman himself should sue her for slander and mental anguish.
If the policeman had lost income because of this incident (e.g., temporary suspension during an investigation) and he has job security insurance, his insurance company should launch an investigation and possible lawsuit against the woman for the claim.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:37pm)
you would get a practical demonstration of just how spineless and ineffective the justice system can be.
True enough Loaded Dog, but the term 'justice system' is grossly inaccurate. You and I both know that justice is rarely, if ever, dispensed there.
My preferred term is 'legal system'.
Nice. I almost felt sorry for Flannery. Then I remembered how he makes his splendid living and I went back to enjoying his flaying.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:15am)
Tim Flannert's responses are illuminating. What gets me is that he has, from my experience such a high reputation amongst younger Australians and in some cases older people who treat his utterances as gospel. This of course is to be understood through constant references to his Australian of the year award, his general academic record, the ABC playing his talks and the media promoting him, all of which
promote him as a climate guru.
Thus his alarmist statements, give freely and with little qualifications have been blithely accepted.
Therefore his backtracking and obfuscation given in a disarming way when challenged to 'may happen', 'did I say that", 'could happen some time in the future' turn into mere musings of an imaginative mind.
That major decisions costing billions of dollars are being influenced by his ramblings of what cataclysmic events might happen are dangerous in the extreme.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:24am)
An absolute pleasure to hear that interview this morning.
Prof. Flannery sounded in shock at the questions. It was as if nobody had asked him these things before.
Either that or he truly believed he had never said those things before.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:29am)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (01:09pm)
Thanks for that link.
An interesting read and sums up the AGW situation nicely.
And alot of others.
G'Day Andrew. I found this interview most enjoyable (even with Steve's interjections, poor bloke can't help himself). I was actually very interested to hear what Tim had to say in response to your questions. I could of happily listened to a more lengthy debate. A shame you only have a half hour, in amongst ad-breaks and traffic reports.
It's your impeccable research and the fact you seem a clever cookie. The more I read and listen to what you have to say, the more I trust you. This is something lacking in most media. A real feather in your cap.
Keep on doing what you do.
(BTW: Apologies to your wife who must cringe a bit when we say your right. I'm sure she quietly rolls her eye's often, with a grin.)
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:33am)
Poor Tim. It's terrible when you get your own words quoted back at you!
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:49am)
This bloke reminds me of that other self-promoter, David Suzuki, going on and on with Ray Martin (yet another egotist). It was pointed out to him that he was in danger of becoming the "little boy who cried wolf" with his constant promoting of the scariest scenarios. At that point he was promoting the latest UN line that unless there was a radical change, the life support systems of the earth would be pushed beyond breaking point in 10 years (this was in 1989!), which was all the time we had to radically change direction! Suzuki was constantly going on about "how little time we have" "only 10 years" and on, and on, and on! To the "little boy who cried wolf" analogy, his haughty response was, "the point is that the wolf came". What he ignored was the fact that the little boy had misled the people so many times that the people didn't listen to him when the wolf really did come – which is the true moral of the story! I don't know why people still listen to this egotist, or why scary, but highly unlikely scenarios still have currency with conservationists! Yes, they get headlines and media exposure, but sooner or later people are going to realise it's overblown hype, and will stop listening altogether, even when they're actually telling the truth.
Thu 10 Jun 10 (02:56am)
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"Where is what", you say? Your home away from home! Video games are the virtual homes of many a geek, and I'm here to pick your brain, and see if you can identify those locales where you build your armies, slay your sworn enemy or frag your friends. Each post, I will display a screenshot of someplace within a popular video game (Mostly PC) and you folks will try and guess where it is 😉
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Cool design idea "The Art of Blooming Tea"
Everyday Karmakamet has created a new product line called the Blooming Tea. After being soaked in hot water, the ball blooms beautifully, thus revealing the tea's floral ingredient. To best capture the spirit of this new product line, we created a packaging that is aesthetically pleasing while having a similarity to the original flower. The design process began with a collaboration with a paper sculptor. First, she studied the detail and anatomy of real flowers. The artist then needed to find the ideal shape and size, and came up with complex paper folding techniques. A mechanism also had to be designed to first squeeze out the tea and be able to return the flower to its original shape so that consumers have a memento of that special moment with a Blooming Tea.


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Complaint Review: Thomson Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Thomson Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram2158 Washington Road,Thomson, GA 30824 Thompson, Georgia United States of America
Thomson Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Chrysler Dodge Jeep The last product from Chrysler I will ever buy again. Thompson, Georgia
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I own a 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 with a 5 year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty and 45,000 current miles. A year ago I noticed a whining / howl noise coming from my truck while driving between 35 and 60 mph, I then looked under my truck to notice wetness around the rear axle at the differential. I took the truck to Thompson Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram for repair. Initially the Service representative said the leak was not coming from the differential, but I insisted that it was because it could not be coming from any other location. They mechanic then added a special dye to my differential fluid that would enable him to tell if the fluid was in fact leaking, which it was. The mechanic then fixed the leak, and the whining howl noise stopped. Now, one year later, the whining howl noise while driving between 35 and 60 mph has returned, so I again looked under my truck to see that there is differential fluid wetness around the rear axle at the differential, and at the point where the drive shaft meets the rear differential. I took the truck back to Thompson Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram, and was told by the service Rep, that it is normal to have differential fluid wetness around the rear axle, and that the mechanic does not hear a whining howl noise, and that there is no leak. I insisted that there was a leak. I then requested to speak with the Service Manager. The service representative told me she would have the Service Manager call me back directly, which he did not. The same Service rep then called me back and proceeded to read to me Chryslers definition of a leak, which stated that it was normal to have fluid
wetness outside the differential housing. I then told the service rep that I was not interested in Chrysler's definition of a leak, and that the only way that differential fluid can get outside the differential and onto my rear axle was to "leak" out, and that I did in fact have a leak. The service rep then said that they would not be doing any repairs on my vehicle because there was no problem that they could fix. They are deying that a problem exists. Any mechanic that claims not to hear noticeable a noise coming from a vehicle that he or she is certified and should be well familure with, is either lying or incompetent. They are denying is that there is a problem that needs to be fixed. They are saying there is nothing wrong, that it is normal to have some differential fluid wetness around the axle and the differential housing, and that they hear no noise coming from the rear.
After my research I found that my truck has the whine/howl noise coming from the rear dif at 35 to 55 mph. It is a known issue by Chrysler, and there doesn't appear to be a fix for it. A lot of other 2009 and 2010 RAMs have this problem. Other owners who have had this problem say the dealers are doing nothings as well.
It seems that Chrysler is betting that if something does brake, it is after the 5 year / or 100,000 mile mark. Then the customer has to pay and not them. It is all about money, not doing the right thing for the customer. I would bet that is why there is a different rear differential starting in 2011 dodges Ram model years.
This will likely be the last Dodge Chrysler etc. I will own.
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Complaint Review: USBI Behalf Of Atlas Communications
USBI Behalf Of Atlas CommunicationsWww.billview.com/usbi Nationwide U.S.A.
USBI Atlas Communications Behalf of Atlas Communications ripoff I did not order this service! Never heard of them! Internet
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*Consumer Suggestion: Sounds suspiciously like a certain Alyon Technology claim.
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This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 06/30/2003 04:30 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/USBI-Behalf-Of-Atlas-Communications/nationwide/USBI-Atlas-Communications-Behalf-of-Atlas-Communications-ripoff-I-did-not-order-this-servi-62364. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.
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Sounds suspiciously like a certain Alyon Technology claim.
AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)
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What is USBI?
USBI is a billing clearinghouse that processes information on behalf of various long distance service providers. We are not a long distance or common carrier.
(uh-oh; sound familiar?)
There are no phone numbers or even a state mentioned on the USBI site that I could find. In fact, the only way to contact them is by email and I am not too sure that I would suggest that at this time. This seems really strange that this company does not want to let us know where they are located....
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Packed with technology previously reserved for upper echelon high-end servers (i.e. RAID, Gigabit Ethernet, Continuous System Monitoring and Backup capabilities), the ReadyNAS NV+ brings Enterprise-level technology to the masses in a cost-effective manner. The ReadyNAS NV+ is a bulletproof way to virtually insure that your data will never be lost again to hardware failure.
Robust Features Coupled with Easy Management
- Serves files easily
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- Works with Windows®, Mac®, and Linux®
ReadyNAS™ NV+ v2 was designed specifically for power users and home offices. Never before has there been available a cost-conscious network attached storage (NAS) appliance packed with robust high-end server features, including Gigabit Ethernet, hardware RAID, system monitoring capabilities and built-in backup. The NV+ v2 couples out-of-the-box deployment and easy management with robust file serving and data redundancy.
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With an easy Web browser interface and setup wizard, the NV+ v2 can be configured with minimal effort -- saving you valuable time. Traditional file servers can take hours to configure and, even once up and running, don't have built-in system monitoring and email alerts. Automatic alerts give you the peace of mind that things are running smoothly because if trouble should arise, you will be notified.
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ReadyNAS's patent pending X-RAID2 technology automates the volume expansion for you as you scale from 1 drive to 4 drives. Most NAS devices on the market aren't future-proof. You can't add or replace disks for larger capacity. ReadyNAS allows you to start with one disk, then add the additional drives over time, without reconfiguring the system and shuffling the data. Additionally, as disk capacity becomes larger and cheaper, you can replace all four disks, one by one, while X-RAID2 automatically manages the RAID details for you.
All ReadyNAS systems include multiple backup layers that you can customize to fit your needs. First, protect Windows and Mac clients with our included CDP software. Then, take a snapshot of your ReadyNAS data to ensure a recovery point. Next, backup to a USB drive on demand or on a schedule. Replication is a cinch between two ReadyNAS systems, and finally the ReadyNAS Vault option can move files and folders to an offsite secure data center for disaster recovery. It's all built in!
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ReadyNAS is a single centralized source for all of your digital data. The variety of digital devices and hard drives that currently house the data in your home and office can make locating a particular file quite arduous. ReadyNAS can bring all of that data together for fast and easy file serving to multiple clients simultaneously. If it's video or other high-definition media you are working with, you can use your ReadyNAS for streaming to multiple devices at the same time. ReadyNAS also provides DLNA Certified media streaming to a wide variety of digital media devices (such as NETGEAR EVA products or Microsoft Xbox 360™).
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The industrial design and ultra compact form factor of the ReadyNAS makes it perfect for any home office or small business. Standing only eight inches tall and five inches wide, it can fit in any entertainment center or on any desk without taking up much space or making much noise. ReadyNAS also offers low power consumption and a special energy-saving mode that allows you to automate startup and shutdown.
- CPU 1.6 GHz Marvell single-core
- Memory 256 MB
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- Maximum Internal Capacity 12 TB
- Gigabit LAN 1
- USB Ports 1 x USB 2.0 (front) / 3 x USB 3.0 (back)
- Disk Management ReadyNAS® X-RAID2™ / JBOD RAID 0, 1, 5
- Backup Software (included) Memeo® Premium Backup 1 liftetime licenses per box
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- Dimensions (H x W x D) 205 x 134 x 223 mm
- Power Supply Internal Power Adapter, 90 W
- Warranty Terms 3 years, limited warranty
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- 13.4 cm x 22.3 cm x 20.5 cm
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- Marvell 1.6 GHz
- Storage Controller
- 1 x RAID - SATA 3Gb/s - RAID 0, 1, 5, JBOD
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- Network adapter - integrated - 10Mb LAN, 100Mb LAN, GigE
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- Microsoft Certification
- Compatible with Windows 7
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- 3 years warranty
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- NAS server
- Host Connectivity
- Gigabit Ethernet
- Total Storage Capacity
- Max Supported Capacity
- Installed Devices / Modules Qty
- 0 (installed) / 4 (max)
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- HDD - hot-swap
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- Network adapter - integrated
- Data Link Protocol
- 10Mb LAN, 100Mb LAN, GigE
- Remote Management Protocol
- Network Services Compatibility
- Microsoft CIFS, Network File System (NFS), FTP, FTPS, Server Message Block (SMB), Apple File Protocol (AFP), HTTP, HTTPS
- Features
- Dynamic IP address assignment , DHCP support, E-mail alert, print server, Access Control List (ACL) support, iTunes server
- Compliant Standards
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- Expansion Bays
- 4 (total) / 4 (free) x hot-swap - 3.5" 1/3H
- Interfaces
- 1 x Ethernet 1000Base-T - RJ-45 , 1 x USB 2.0 - Type A , 3 x USB 3.0 - Type A
- Features
- Security lock slot (cable lock sold separately), X-RAID2 technology
- Compatible with Windows 7
- "Compatible with Windows 7" software and devices carry Microsoft's assurance that these products have passed tests for compatibility and reliability with 32-bit and 64-bit Windows 7.
- Compliant Standards
- UL, C-Tick, FCC, RoHS
- Power Device
- X external power adapter
- Voltage Required
- AC 120/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Software / System Requirements
- Software Included
- Drivers & Utilities
Manufacturer Warranty
- Service & Support
- 3 years warranty
- Service & Support Details
- Limited warranty - 3 years
Environmental Parameters
- Min Operating Temperature
- Max Operating Temperature
- Humidity Range Operating
- 20 - 80% (non-condensing)
Customer reviews
Write a review for the NetGear ReadyNAS NV+ V2 (4 Bay) - No Drives Included here!
Stright out of the box
Reviewed by Anonymous Review Posted 05/09/2012
Bought last week with four segate drives, took a while to configure the the drives which i expceted ( they were all 3TB ) but up and running with no faults, Build quality also very good !
- Overall
- Ease of use
- Value for money
NetGear ReadyNAS NV+ V2
Reviewed by Andy. Review Posted 15/07/2012
plugged in a WD 2tb drive, connected to network and powered on. The device did an upgrade (it said so on the display) and after about 30mins all was ready to use. Could not be easier to install and use IMO.
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- Ease of use
- Value for money
A great little box
Reviewed by Mark Hooton. Review Posted 21/08/2012
First impressions on taking it from the box were that this is better built than some Netgear products I have had in the past - a fairly solid feeling box. After adding in my four WD 3GB drives (just a matter of taking the caddy out, screwing the drive into the caddy and sliding it back in) it fired up and performed a self upgrade from the net. The included RAIDar software quickly found the drive on the network and started the configuration process. It took approximately 10 hours to complete the RAID config, though the drive was available (but slow) after about 30 minutes from powering up. The web based console is quite slick and intuitive, allowing you to manage user accounts, network config etc. For fellow mac users you can also enable a setting to allow the NAS to act as an Apple Time Capsule - very useful! Overall I'm very pleased with this, easy to set up, quiet and unobtrusive - exactly how a NAS should be.
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- Ease of use
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Best thing since Sliced Bread
Reviewed by Anonymous Review Posted 06/09/2012
Dont listen to the Guy moaning that the Readynas has Major Flaws - It Has`nt. I recommend that guy takes a course on what file permissions, shares, volumes and Raid is exactly about - because he has`nt got a clue. Ive been using Readynas box`s since they first came out with Infrant, and they are excellent, and i have several in local business`s and also used in the home. There is a small learning curve, but nothing Drastic. Just read the Manuals.
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- Ease of use
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Fantastic product
Reviewed by Daniel. Review Posted 07/11/2012
Purchased this with 4 3TB hard drives to complement an ageing WD MyBookWorld NAS, which was becoming very full.
I have given a 3 star on ease of use, as this is not a beginners piece of hardware, you need a working knowledge of RAID setups and samba systems to take full advantage of this hardware. That being said, the web front end does try to simplify the process.
Setup took around 2 hours to fully complete, including installing the hard drives. Then around 72 hours to transfer my data (well there was a lot).
Surprisingly it is very quiet whilst running, during my data transfer, the fan got up to max speed, but still it was quieter than the WD unit. The Netgear cloud services are far superior to the WD Mionet, however you will need to NAT ports on your router (again not a beginners job). I have full access to my home system from anywhere with WiFi now, and at acceptable transfer rates.
All in all, a very well put together NAS, would recommend to anyone.
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- Ease of use
- Value for money
Best thing since Sliced Bread, slightly toasted
Reviewed by keith. Review Posted 21/09/2012
Best thing since Sliced Bread...no, but they are the best as far as price and competition, Have been using them a few years now, the latest V2 is not compatible with V1 so cant just port the drives over, found this out by adding my V1 drives to a V2 and it formatted them for me, very nice! not what I was expecting, thank god for backups, informed netgear of this error on the web site so should be getting sorted.
The raid X appears to be just raid 3(why don't they just call it that?) no option for my beloved 0+1 (striped pair mirrored) but you can have 2 mirrored drives on the unit, not sure why the "very bad " reviewer thought raid 5 had a hot spare??
Excellent units so far, have had failures but that's normal for any system, just don't rely on it to be perfect and never screw up, it will one day, all systems do, so backup :-)
- Overall
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NetGear ReadyNAS NV+ V2
Reviewed by Kerry Knight. Review Posted 06/08/2012
Purchased with four Seagate Barracuda 3TB drives. Very simple to set up and configure, but synchronization of the RAID5 array was somewhat long at over 12 hours (then again they are huuuge disks). Access read/write is somewhat slower than I would have liked at approx 30MB/s read/write with large files, but faster NAS with teamed gigabit ethernet ports are a tad more expensive. Only problem really was the Seagate drives required a firmware update to stop the incessant 'chirp' due to (I assume) a nod to the green corner to unload the heads after a few seconds if idle time. That necessitated taking the drives out of the NAS and mounting them in the PC to do the firmware update. The NAS does support spin-down of the drives on idle, but as that uses nflushd which actually caches writes to the disk until the next time a read is done, it is a little unsafe without a UPS backup. All in all though, a nice product, quiet and simple.
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ReadyNAS NV+ V2 dlna problems
Reviewed by Anonymous Review Posted 11/11/2012
Constant problems with DLNA. forced to go in as root and restart dlna software.
connection also drops out more frequently when
accessing from PC.
latest firmware installed but still problematic.
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Reviewed by Leviticus. Review Posted 28/06/2013
This has a highly frustrating interface in the form of the ReadyNAS dashboard, which could only be less intuitive if it labelled everything in Kryptonian.
The instructions available give no pointers at all in how to get the media server to work properly or how to trouble shoot it- seemingly on the assumption it will never go wrong.
It does. All the time.
Less than a year into having one of these and now the Media Server function is effectively kaput- making it no more than a very expensive external hard drive for me at the moment.
I currently have a ticket out with netgear to get a resolution, but I throughly expect to be hitting the returns button on this order VERY soon!
To be fair though, the damn thing has been so irritating that smashing it to smithereens, burning it and urinating on the ashes could be therapeutically more rewarding than getting my money back. And the wet ahses would be just as good at streaming my music at the moment...
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Very Bad
Reviewed by Anonymous Review Posted 23/08/2012
Major problems with this device.
1) Initailly I purchased this NAS with 4 Seagate drives, and configured them with Raid 5 N+1. I later found that one drive was showing as a hot spare,and the remaining disks (N) were not protected! I rebooted the NAS and it built the RAID very strange!?!
2)Permissions are a major flaw with this NAS I suggest a google search to confirm this. Access denied issues.
3)If you delete a share on this device it will not only remove the share but also all of your data without any prompt or caution!
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