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American Diversified Publications Ripped me off for $35 for home based business Slidell Louisiana
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I,m broke, I,m hurt, I,m in need of employment.The potential job oppurtunity to do the home based work was my only way out and being able to keep my head afloat the water. Mind you I,m not a swimmer. Can,t swim a lick.
I pray people stumble up on the Ripoffreport before sending those scandal mongers their hard earned $35.
I called the 800 lawyer referral number today to consult with an attorney to see about starting a class action suit against them and was referred to the attorney general's office who gave me their website to file a complaint. I done the complaint and I realize that it may not be dealt with immediately but I have nothing else but time on my hands considering I never got sent the work from American Diversified Publications.My suggestion to others is to call the attorney general,s office and ask for the Consumer Fraud division to get the website to file a complaint. Let,s get their a*s's like they got ours! We have to stick together.
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Here's my two cents, KCI, but I'm keeping the other 48
Well, I am officially no longer a member of Key Club International, and I'm leaving with a very poor taste in my mouth. Over a massive fifty cents too.
For those who DON'T know, as of July 5, 2014, every Key Clubber now has to pay AT LEAST fifty more cents to join this organization, probably more to be completely honest. To many, it's not a big deal (very debatable); fifty cents can't even buy you coffee or boba, but it's International's reasoning for pushing the amendment in the first place that's embarrassing.
Let me get this straight, I still love Key Club. I may be burnt out, and I may not want to do work anymore, but this last ICON just makes me feel gross about where this organization is going. $40k on a two minute video that could have been produced by a high schooler, $60k on a godawful Key Club app, and thousands more on who even knows what have dropped us tens of thousands of dollars in debt, and what does International do to fix this problem? Make Key Club members across the world pay for their mistakes.
What kind of message are we trying to send if our organization isn't even fiscally responsible enough to keep ourselves from dropping $170k in debt? Are we to follow the branch of Key Club that can barely run themselves administratively? Are we to learn from their example and make sure we make others pay for our mistakes? Are we to be honest and caring servant leaders when those we're SUPPOSED to look up to lack even the most basic transparency so that WE can understand what will affect us in this organization?
This is an embarrassment to ALL of us as Key Club members AND as a branch of the Kiwanis Family. Whether or not this amendment was truly necessary is no longer even the question. The question is whether or not the example that the "leaders" of this organization are setting is one that we should all follow to be model Key Clubbers.
Here's to you, Key Club International. I've given you all my 2 cents, but until this mess is made up for, neither I nor many of the other individuals that are the ones truly affected by this amendment are willing to give you the other 48. Cheers, and I truly hope that someone fixes this, for our sakes and the sake of the organization we all love.
To those who complained about CNH fighting the amendment as well, I do hope you realize that WE are doing our duty to represent the members that could not attend this convention. Yes, I am sure that you are dying to go buy your overpriced dinners. There were many of us that would have rather been eating as well. Although we may be obnoxious and loud and spirited, we know our duty as leaders in this organization. Do you?


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Hey rami36 ... what's with the rhetorical / nonsense question ?!? How long have you been in the stock market ??? When a company moves a report date up, such can mean anything ... usually a positive sign.
In your world ... "Bad News." Did you get dropped on your head as a baby ?!?
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Revenue Up by: 69,527,000 "Sales Heading Up"
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Don't believe the review that says this drives like a BMW. It doesn't. I had a 1984 BMW M6. Fantastic, but totally impractical. I bought the Buick as my winter car with 95,000 miles on it when 3 years old - my 3rd Park Avenue. I still own the Park Av, but not the BMW. If you want a car to zip along an autobahn buy a BMW, if you want a car to drive on the typical lousy roads that you get in New England, buy the Buick. The one I bought had all the toys, rear parking, touring package, heads-up display. It's a really great car. Don't believe the mileage - I get 18 "city" and 27-30 mpg, depending on how hard I drive, on the interstate.
Trunk easily fits two hockey bags - try that in your 3-series BMW.
Sort out GM management - they stopped making this great car.
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Since Florida Institute of Technology has a reputation of being a halfway decent school, I was expecting online classes that I would be challenged and learn from. Instead what I got was a watered down version that was sub-par to even crappy online discussion boards. For example: In the physics class students were graded on their ability to copy and paste an online article that related to physics- I thought this would be a one time thing- but it repeated over and over... I didn't learn a thing. In addition, it seemed like some of the students in the class were hardly past middle school education levels; many couldn't write using complete sentences or proper grammar/ spelling.
Since I perceived no value, I withdrew from the courses during the 100% refund stage, only to have this junk show up on my credit report 4 years later.
This company will tarnish your university image; of if you are a prospective student- you can expect me to have no respect for your degree obtained through classes served by bisk ed or bisk.com services.
I am currently exploring my options suing this company for the fraudulent entry on my credit report and the resulting defamation of character from their false reporting.
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Economic theory is considered an inexact science, and so it should be. But it is definitely not a natural science, nor is it, strictly speaking, a social science. There are certain rules that do apply that are difficult, if not impossible, to ignore. Today's theories are based upon those rules and, for the most part, ignore the multitude of phenomena that can influence the expected economic outcomes. That was my position on the subject of economics in 1976 when this budding young economist elected to take a less tortuous path in life.
Imagine if you will a national economy and all the disparate, independent decisions that are made by the many different groups that make up the economy that can affect each individual or other entity: consumers, government leaders, investors, large corporations, entrepreneurs, local and regional businesses, unions, distribution networks, raw materials suppliers, transportation companies, communications networks, and mother nature (to name a few). Then consider the psychologies and other influences that motivate each of these different groups: savings, quality, re-election, profits, accumulation of power, reliability, consistency, supply restraints, input costs, environmental concerns, infrastructure, technological advances, supply shortages or oversupplies, natural disasters, etc.
Now add into the mix all the possibilities of those same sets of entities and influences that are external to the national economy existing throughout the entire global economy along with all the disparate, conflicting economic, social and political agendas that still have the capabilities of influencing the decisions of corporate and government leaders as well as the individuals of our one economy and you begin to see the complexity of economics. The possible number of outcomes may be infinite or unimaginable to the human mind, and thus, bordering on what I term as practical infinity.
What modern economic theory does is try to include only the most significant influences and decision maker options, ignoring those things that are outside of human control such as natural disasters, and ignoring many of the multitudes of possible smaller influences that can impact one or more industries but do not fit nicely into an econometric model; the combined effect of all that is left out in today's world of economics has become far more significant relative to what it was in the past, thus making the science of economics less accurate as the complexity of our world expands. In other words, all the things we don't completely understand or are unable to quantify within a specific range of inputs over specific periods of time are not included.
As the world has become more and more globally interdependent in recent decades, the complexity of economics has not kept pace. We are still working, by and large, with much the same major theoretical foundations established more than 60 years ago. These theoretical foundational theories were not created to make sense out of the complex global socio-economic world we live in today. Thus, the predictive accuracy and effectiveness of application on a portion of the world economy, such as one nation, are becoming less and less useful.
That is not to say that a nation such as Sweden cannot successful apply fiscal and monetary policies to improve that nation's economy and the welfare and quality of life of its citizenry. It is doing so very successfully. Sweden is large enough to engage in and benefit from the global interconnectedness of the world economy while, at the same time, is small enough to remain less dependent internally upon the success or failure of the world economy.
If the world economy slows, it will negatively affect Sweden, but its partial insulation from world affairs mitigates the effects of the same global slowdown. Part of what I call Sweden's insulation factor stems from the country's decision to not follow but to lead. It has not chosen, strictly speaking, either the Austrian or Keynesian economic model. It also has the advantage of starting from a state that has leaned more toward socialist political policies and high taxation.
The nation has always taken good care of its citizenry but the old policies leave a great deal of room for improvement. It is swimming against the global currents and moving toward greater individual freedoms, less restrictive regulations, and lower tax rates. It has become a magnate for new investment by multinationals in an era when most highly developed nations, like much of Continental Europe and the United States are creating higher regulatory barriers that act to repulse new capital investments. So, Sweden is creating jobs more rapidly while the U.S. tread water and Europe is shedding jobs.
China is still in a favorable position in terms of growth prospects for the short-, intermediate-, and long-terms. It has hundreds of millions of people who are still living at the subsistence level. The priority in China is not to create profits, but to create jobs. There are profits to be made in China; no doubt. But central government policy has been focused on job creation to move millions of people from subsistence to higher levels of consumption. It is somewhat similar to the economic bonanza experienced by the U.S. when Europeans migrated to the U.S. with little in their pockets but willingness to work hard and realize their dreams. The Chinese people have dreams, too. But the wave of new consumers being created domestically in China is an event that has never happened on this scale before in history.
China has advantages in fostering growth that developed countries do not such as no balance of power or restrictive, opposing political or social agendas. The system is designed to be more fluid because if the Party makes a mistake it can correct its policies relatively quickly without a drawn out public debate by opposing sides of each issue. I'm not lobbying for communism as a preferred form of government. I'm just trying to point out that the hybrid system of communist government and controlled capitalist economy are working well for a nation in China's current stage of development. I believe that will change in the future and that something will necessarily have to give way for the nation to continue to flourish. This isn't an essay on China, so I'll leave this topic for another discussion.
My point in these two illustrations is that there is no single, appropriate economic system for all times for all nations. I suppose that the global economies might work better together if all were applying one for of economic system, but only if all nations were also close in development and all peoples of the world exhibited the same work ethic. That world will never exist. Due to the wide disparity between the developmental levels of nations from each other, I would contend that there are probably better economic systems for different nations at different points of development. Some, probably most, would be hybrid systems that could adapt to the changing economic forces that transform the economic environment around them over time.
I would also posit that what is often called Keynesian economics being applied around the world today is a very dissimilar bastardization of what Keynes had in mind when he originally proposed his economic theory. That brings me to a quote from another article: "We are over four years into this, and right back where we started, only far worse for the wear. Stop the Keynesian attempts. They've never worked. Which is likely why Keynes himself came to understand this in the week or two prior to his death in 1946, explaining to Henry Clay of the Bank of England: "I find myself more and more relying for a solution of our problems on the invisible hand which I tried to eject from economic thinking 20 years ago." In other words, Keynes himself was worried about the effects of the theory he had unleashed upon the world. From "Commentary: Here's The Thing About Deflation" by Five Thousand Over Libor.
But I take exception to the part about "being four years into this." I would contend that we are several decades into the Keynesian experiment, having given up on the concept of balancing the nation's budget during the good times, which is something with which I believe even Keynes would have agreed. His original theory was to use fiscal stimulus during economic troughs, allowing the budget to go into deficit temporarily, to prevent downturns from being as bad or deep as they otherwise might.
We have wandered far afield from that original idea. He later modified his theory to allow more regular deficits as sustainable as long as the deficits were within a certain tolerable level and that when the economy grew abnormally fast; the surpluses would be applied to reducing the deficits that had been built up over the years. That change of direction caused modern economist to take the next seemingly obvious step: to assume that the federal budget can always run at a deficit as long as the total debt to gross domestic product (GDP) remains below what are considered to be tolerable levels.
With the United States in the advantageous position of minting and controlling the world's reserve currency, some economists have taken the theory even further. Now there is speculation by the far left that as long as ours is the reserve currency and investors around the world seek safety in U.S. Treasury debt securities during times of uncertainty and fear, we can print and spend as much fiat money (electronically, of course) as we want without worrying about the debt to GDP levels because we can just pay off our accumulated debt in future, inflated dollars. Unfortunately, this scheme only works for so long. I call it a scheme instead of theory because no matter how one looks at it the end results are devastating based upon all other existing theory.
While those theories may be flawed by lack of complexity to compensate for the changes that have occurred over the past 50 years, the same theories are correct in this case. The U.S. has not always controlled the world's reserve currency. That prestigious position has changed several times over the course of history and unless we, as a nation, change course soon, it will undoubtedly change again, possibly in our lifetime. Such a change would likely cause tremendous economic upheaval both here in the U.S. and around the globe.
Such an event today would likely be felt more deeply around the globe than in the past due to the interconnectedness of the world's economies. The chart below should begin with the Athenian Drachma issued beginning in the 5th century B.C.E. There were come overlaps, of course, but this seems to be a good representation of the historical timeline of "reserve currencies."
The U.S. dollar usurped the British pound sterling as the world's reserve currency, gradually increasing its role from about 1914 on until it became the recognized reserve currency in 1944 under the Bretton Woods Agreement. Thus, the U.S. has benefited to some extent, at least, for nearly a century. It is interesting to note that the changing of the world reserve currency has generally occurred as a result one or two precedents: war or inflation caused by excessive budget deficits (spending) by the issuer of the reserve currency. Of course, if I had to choose between the two I'd rather experience the later and it appears, if nothing changes, that it is exactly what we will experience.
What I expect will happen is that eventually our counterparties will have watched their dollar-denominated assets debased by our unilateral policies to the extent that those same "partners" will substantially change the rules of the game to the extent that the U.S. will effectively lose the advantage of controlling the world's reserve currency. Actions taken by China and others, especially oil-rich nations in the Middle East and other countries rich in natural resources (most notably Russia), are moving away from using the US dollar for trade wherever possible.
Many of the countries that have invested in U.S. Treasuries have begun to reduce additional purchases due to the manipulated, low rates of return being below inflation and the growing risks of rising inflation in the future. The Federal Reserve has surpassed China as holder of the most U.S. Treasury issued securities. Doesn't that seem like taking money out of one pocket and putting it into the other pocket and saying, "Now I have twice as much money"?
But all is not lost if we can change the course in which the country is headed over the next couple of years. I believe that one of the greatest advantages of our system is its malleability, or its ability to evolve economically to meet the demands placed upon it. I may be asking for too much to expect our government leaders to wake up and make the hard choices necessary, but that is the only way I suspect we can avoid my expectations outlined in the previous paragraph.
But I haven't lost hope nor given up just yet. Politicians are taking us to the brink, in my opinion. The question that I raise as an investor is whether or not they'll be able to see the cliff and decide not avoid it in time? Our fortunes literally may depend upon the decisions coming out of Washington, D.C. over the next few years. How does that make you feel? Welcome to the era of uncertainty and volatile markets.
If you own quality stocks such as those reported on in my two series entitled, "The Dividend Investors' Guide to Successful Investing," and "My Long-Term, Enhanced Investing-for-Income Strategy," there are four primary things you need to remember at times like this.
1) Hold on and collect the dividends. This is the part of the roller coaster ride that scares us all.
2) Only by selling do you ensure taking a loss on your assets. This is why you chose quality, dividend-paying stocks in the first place.
2) In the end quality companies will recover and once again the associated stock prices rise to new highs at some point in the future.
3) Be prepared to make new purchases when you sense capitulation in the markets and valuations seem absurdly low relative to the long-term. When I sense capitulation I will write about what I see and why I think it has arrived. I may be a little early or a little late (probably the later), but a few days in this sort of matter does not matter that much.
Thanks for reading and, as always I enjoy your comments so keep them coming. Only through sharing our ideas, experiences and perspectives can we all learn to be better investors together. I wish you all a successful investing future.
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10,000 warming prophets jet to hot resort
Andrew Bolt
–, Thursday, November, 08, 2007, (8:04am)
They could video-conference instead to make a statement about cutting emissions, but what's the fun in that?
So thousands of global warming prophets, including many hundreds from the United Nations agencies which have whipped along this new faith, will next month jet to a luxury resort (above) in Bali instead for a conference on how to cut emissions like the kind they blew in getting there. Flying business class, of course, as Claudia Rossett reports:
The would-be regulators of the world's climate (and your wallet) will be jetting to Bali this December for Ban Ki-Moon's next UN weather fest: "UN Climate Change Conference 2007.†UN policy allows even the lowlier UN staffers to travel business class on long-haul flights (your tax dollars at work), the better to arrive wined, dined and ready to hit the ground …and the beaches … and the golf courses … and the tennis courts — running. Apparently there is so much to discuss that the conference will run for a full fortnight, from Dec. 3-14, at Bali's seaside luxury resort of Nusa Dua.
How many will be taking to the air for this leisurely chat at a tropical paradise?
Indonesian Environment Minister Rachmat Witoelar… said 189 countries to be represented by some 10,000 delegates and 2,500 foreign journalists had officially registered to take part.
That's right: 12,500. To fly to conference that will cost more than $70 million to stage.
This oinking conference is guaranteed not to cut emissions, but increase them, Al Gore style. But the new green faith was always for the privileged to enjoy, and the masses to endure. Hypocrisy is too small a word for so monstrous a circus.
Have Your Say
This is staggering. 2500 journalists?!? What ever the hell for? 10,000 goddam bureaucrats??!
"He said the conference was expected to produce a Bali Declaration which would be followed up in Warsaw, Poland, in 2008 and in Copenhagen, Denmark, in 2009."
Yay! More freebie frolicking for our po-faced climate conscience-bearers.
What a disgusting display. A 'Monstrous circus' is spot-on, Andrew.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:15am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:07am)
You'd reckon they could hold one of these in Bendigo or Colubus, Ohio or some other not so exciting place eh!
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:02am)
The 10,000 bureaucrats are there to set a record for the largest number of people patting themselves on the back.
When I first saw the picture of all I was reminded of the Klu Klux Klan with all that white fabric. By the way that some of these people carry on maybe my thought was not so inappropriate.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:44am)
To Bozo: No - No - No - Never!!!!!!!!
Not even Tomás de Torquemada would make 12,500 commentariats spend two weeks in Columbus Ohio.
Still, it is not all bad. I assume that Pauline Hanson has been invited to be a keynote speaker putting forward Australia's position on AGW.
Brent Groves PhD, Ohio State
University, 1966
Primary school riddle: What is round on the ends and high in the middle?
Ohio, of course.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:55am)
Conference in Poland 2008, Denmark, 2009, should it not be China 2008, India 2009 etc.?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:23am)
I vote for Keeokuk, Iowa. Garden spot of the heartland.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:40am)
Nothing unusual about numbers or locations.
Just following United Nations guidelines to five star accomodation and bulk First /Business Class airfares established for the mob that runs World Heritage Committee Meetings e.g Casablanca,Rio etc.
Ah, what a juicy target for the fundamental Moslems of Indonesia.
Worried about warming, eh?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:24am)
Four legs good...snouts in the trough.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:42am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:07am)
Well said mareeS.
It seems that in this brave new green world, we will all be equal, but some are destined to be more equal than others.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:27pm)
...with Midnight Oil as guests to supply a cocophony to soothe the barnyard.
Bali will be turned into an Animal Farm.
You Lefties either don't know or don't realise what swill you are buying into.
Yet, on the upside, Australia will still have an excellent negotiating position in Bali.
As the still, almost, anonymous professor noted; just because we haven't ratified Kyoto, has nothing to do with the sub-committee 'ballsing' about at this conference. Australia is still very much part of the process, despite the lies most of the Left considers to be true.
Good stuff that the likes of Howard and Bush are trying to do something actually practical and effective to ween us off our dependency on ME oil.
Of course, now that I have mentioned the words, 'Howard' and 'Bush', pretty much all you Lefties will subsequently put your heads in the sand and/or attack me personally.
I could go on. Is climate change man-made? Well, it's always occurred, even before even our most ancient ancestors.
I could mention the minuscule amount of CO2 that is in the atmosphere directly as a result of human industrial activities. Compared to naturally produced CO2.
I could mention the example the likes of Gore and Flannery are setting.
I could mention Polar Bear populations.
I could mention the origins of the term, 'Greenland'.
I could mention Arctic warming vs Antarctic cooling.
I could mention variations related to temperature change re solar radiation.
I could mention global warming on Mars, too.
I could mention barely any of Earth's glaciers have been properly studied.
I could mention the location of weather stations.
I could mention the main producers of greenhouse gases, that being, in descending order, oceans dying vegetation, volcanoes and human industrial activity… in that order.
I could mention the gross inefficiency of windmills.
And the fact they need 'regular' power plants to support them anyway.
I could mention the exorbitant cost of windmills.
And that solar panels are similarily power and cost inefficient.
I could mention the benefits and efficiency of nuclear power.
And the dream of one day harnessing nuclear fusion.
And where our funds should really be diverted.
Not to mention, the real world problem of hunger, disease and clean water. And that focusing our energies on AGW is both folly and irresponsible.
And that giving 'aid' should really be about installing democratic governments with capitalist economic systems.
Wake up, Left.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:45am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:23am)
Reply to bingbing,
Well documented bingbing. I myself would like to give the whole lot a history lesson and remind them of those old civilisations like the Incas and Eygptians, who understood that the Sun God would decide if there was to be famine or plenty - somehow, this planet will "test and adjust" and return to some equilibrium after each climatic abnormalty.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:27am)
Facts, common sense, and more facts.
Have you no shame!
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:29am)
Why do you assume that people who believe that GW/CC is for real are "Lefties".?
I would suggest a better label would be "The Well Informed" and conversely the people who believe that GW/CC is a load of BS should be known as "The Uninformed ".
Come to think of it,we should use those labels all the time they would be more appropriate than simply calling people "Left" and "Right"… that's so 20th century.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:32am)
Yeah, what he said
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:35am)
What more is there to say? Nice summary.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:45am)
Wow, nice one bingbing!
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:25am)
John of Brisbane; so the people who believe in GW are informed, those who don't are uninformed?
Well, John I think you've summed it up all rather nicely; except for one small change: those who believe in GW are full of hubris and ego. I mean that really is the issue here and your smug, condescending tone gives the whole game away and the fact you are smug and condescending and, let's not beat around the bush, better than every one else, means, guess what, you are a leftie; because the defining characteristic of the left is ego. So good for you bingbing but I'm afraid facts are never going to dissuade a leftie, the only way to do that is to massage their egos and what a ghastly prospect that would be.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:42am)
bingbing, you'll never get an invitation to the junket with talk like that.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:48am)
Stolen generation?
Kevin Rudd Prime Minister?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:08am)
"The Well Informed", john of brisbane?
What, you need more? How about that CO2 is not toxic.
In fact, it is essential to all life on this planet.
Plants grow bigger with more CO2.
That means a bigger food source.
Funny then, that life has thrived with far more amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Who says Earth's at its optimum temperature? Tell that to a Muscovite in the middle of winter.
PS And your hero eats his own ear wax.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:17am)
John, you over simplify the issue. I do agree that those that say that GW/CC is a load of crap are "Uninformed". I will table two more categories for the rest of us:
- Those that believe that all warming is caused by humans and that a catastrophe is upon us: "The Under-informed"
- Those that believe that a small part of the warming may be caused by humans but natural forces cannot be ignored and that a catastrophe is unlikely: "The Informed"
Note, I say under-informed because if you believe a catastrophe, you obviously have not read the actual report from the IPCC. IPCC's WG1 AR4 (Ch 2, p136) puts human contribution at about 1.6 Wm-2 while Lean's solar irradiance reconstruction suggests Sol (the Sun) has been contributing about an extra 3 Wm-2 since the Maunder quiet time. Warming has been estimated at 0.65 ± 0.2 K, of which 0.226 ± 0.070 K is human induced. While, I do attest, this is an estimation based on the forcings, if the human component is larger, there is a negative forcing (clouds perhaps) that are hold temperature increases to this small amount. In any case, this hardly seems alarming if you think about it logically.
PS. bingbing, you forgot the woefully inadequate climate models that are built to show increases and have larger uncertainty than the change they are predicting.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (12:26pm)
I'll put in $50 bucks for you to attend to represent the opposing view bingbing. You may need to buy bullet-proof armour as well though (a reference to antagonostic GW attendees , no terrorists).
Thu 08 Nov 07 (12:52pm)
A brilliant summation of the greatest con perpetrated for many generations.
But I feel we must all as individuals share part of the blame, as we the people, have allowed this "religion" to take hold.
We did not speak loudly enough nor early enough to drown out the madness. We have allowed ourselves to be brainwashed into submission and guilt. Think,,the feeling of guilt and shame when one forgets to bring a cloth bag to the shops...looking furtively around to see if there is anyone else nearby who also has (horror)plastic bags in the trolley.
The death of a tree in my area, headlines the local paper.
Madness we have allowed to occur.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:03pm)
An apple for the teacher today, bingbing!
Thu 08 Nov 07 (03:10pm)
John of Brisbane, if you and your ilk are so mystically enlightened to understand man made global warming then surely you or one of your fellow travellers could take the time and effort to explain it to us.
Based on the evidence I've seen and yes I've read extensively on this subject, my logical conclusion is that it is a load of BS.
Or should we forget logic and reason and listen to what Gore and Flannery tell us based purely on faith in them?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (03:26pm)
Hope this isn't cutting into your lesson preparation time, BingBing. Don't want your students to think you have gone soft, now.
PS - Polar bear populations will be on the decline according to the latest US Geological Survey future estimates - that's the mob that hammers cleats into ice mountains to get their data, ie they're on the front-line of polar bear pop. surveys.
A good teacher needs to keep up with what is happening into the world, hey?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (03:51pm)
This whole GW debate has descended into nothing more than a way of polarising people; it's now used as a distraction from other important issues like a nuclear holocaust for instance.
But for you guys though you see the GW debate as just another opportunity to pull people down; and to show how you have been manipulated into supporting the right wing you assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a "Leftyâ€. It the same as the Iraq war, if your for the war your right wing if your against the war your a left wing,how ridiculous is that?
If the scientists are correct about the reasons for GW then we have a problem, if they're predictions are wrong then maybe we won't have a problem, that's all there is to it really, but if I was a resident of Beijing or some Pacific Atoll then I'd be thinking that it's a problem right now .
Don't spend the rest of your life whingeing, do something that will make a difference to the environment, and if things turn out not to be as serious as the scientist have said, then it doesn't really matter does it? But if there is a drama further down the track, then I'm sure your children or your grandchildren will thank you for doing something about it.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (05:21pm)
Well said Bingbing. Mind if I add a few? (Provided you agree)
You could mention that the major Greenhouse Gas is water vapour not CO2 almost double so cutting carbon emissions has no effect on the major greenhouse gas as there is no C in H2O.
You could mention that we need both gases in the sky to produce rain and make our plants grow so cutting emissions may be counterproductive.
You could mention in the wake of the court ruling in the UK displaying inaccuracies in An Inconvenient Truth ,that the shrill " The Debate is Over" has now been replaced by, the plaintive " But what if we're right?.." (even on this blog)
You could mention that the use of some biofuels that are being presented as alternatives, eg LPG, Alcohol, and biodiesel emit as much CO2 & Water as fossilised fuels so no real advantage.
And of course you have mentioned the developing countries. They will need to use and export coal if they want to grow. One particular place is Zimbabwe. Stopping this now under the pretence of AGW is racialistic.
I'll stop there - your list is brilliant, and so true. You know, as I writethis in Brisbane we have had 2 days of glorious soaking rain and the temperatures are down too. I am more than convinced that our traditional Rainy Season weather is on its way back. Then perhaps the Great Junket in Bali will be washed away in the monsoons.
By the way, in yesterdays paper, here, our State Labor Govt have published that the Famous Water Grid is behind schedule and getting further behind (but that's another story).
So we will need that rain.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (06:06pm)
...will be on the decline according to the latest US Geological Survey future estimates...
Will be? Future estimates?
C'mon, Janine I. You gotta do better than that.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (06:43pm)
I don't mind at all, Ally Pally. I was hoping others would contribute more to the list. And I totally agree with you.
Thanks to Rossco, too.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (06:43pm)
the shrill " The Debate is Over†has now been replaced by, the plaintive " But what if we're right?..â€
It really is pathetic isn't it. They can't argue the science so they make petty plea's to emotions and fear. I can just imagine Al Gore, sitting in his $multi-million power chewing mansion in 10 years with a puzzled look on his face, wondering why everybody thinks he's a fraud.
The regular nuts will still be posting here though, you can be sure of that.
Fri 09 Nov 07 (02:46am)
Seriously bing, your list has so many holes it's embarrassing you count it as fact.
Yes, climate change has happened in the past, but how can previous examples be considered as relevent when the real stats show that the current GW crisis is at such a drastic level - the globe is heating at a rate dramatically faster than any shift in history.
It really doesn't matter what % humans impact on the environment, hasn't our earth proven that our atmosphere is a delicate balance. Time and time again we see entire ecosystems undergo massive destruction because of the slightest of changes. The planet is unstable, upset the balance the slightest bit and rapid changes are unavoidable.
The nuclear power debate… I find it absolutely hilarious that it is on the agenda. Firstly, 'Righty's' (to adopt your categories) are all about economics. Fair enough, lets look at the fact that Nuclear Plants are monstrously expensive to build and maintain. Not to mention the mass amounts of water they require to operate. They create deadly waste, that has to be safely stored, for not decades, but hundreds, and in some cases, thousands of years. Not to mention Europe is still suffering the side-effects of the Chernobyl disaster, and will for many years to come - can we really risk a similar disaster in Australia.
As for the 'dream' of Nuclear Fusion. Yes, a possibility, and if we can harness it's power then it may prove the perfect solution. But please, how ignorant you must be to believe that this is currently a viable option, sit and wait and see if! We already have developing alternatives in solar, wind, and many other avenues for renewable power (biofuels, biogas, geothermal, the list goes on). Money should be invested by the Australian government and Aus Businesses in research and further development into these areas. Yes, the technology we currently have is inferior, but scientists worldwide have praised the promise that such technologies hold, and Australia needs to be on the front foot in harnessing such technologies.
In essance, there is no reason why in 50 years time every home can't be creating a large % of it's own power and water. There are many already functionally examples of houses that are completely sustainable, why are we looking towards a technology that is both unsafe and unreliable?
If you allow me to generalise, it sounds as though too many of you here are the ignorant ones. Do you spend to much time inside your air-conditioned houses, offices and cars, that you fail to realise the sustained increase in average world temperatures? Do you spend too much time breathing recirculated purified air that you haven't taken a breath of the pollution clogged air that exists in our major cities? Are you so used to the fact that when you turn on a tap, water comes out, that you forget we are in the worst drought on record?
It's entertaining that so many liberal supporters are willing to disregard the overwhelming majority of scientific evidence that prove GW is a real problem. I simply ask you, why would the majority of the western world believe in GW if it is just a conspiracy? What are the fraudulent benefits to fabricating CC? You do realise that the evident supporting CC was around long before Al Gore made a movie - he didn't invent it to push DVD sales.
Call me a lefty, call me a hippie, call me whatever the f*#k you want, but for you I sure hope ignorance truly is bliss, because when the effects of GW start impacting on your daily life, your wallet, the health and safety of you and your family, you will at least have one thing to smile about. I'm awake, but one thing's for sure, I sleep well at night, how about you?
Given that it is happening, do you really want 10,000 delegates from 189 countries to negotiate the successor to Kyoto via videoconference? Imagine the logistics of that!
I would have though that face-to-face is the way to negotiate such an important step.
Its a small investment to make to get a global agreement. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:45am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (07:41am)
Well said Janine.
Andrew, with all due respect, you are a man obsessed.
You cannot compare one man (Al Gore's & entourage) traveling in his own Lear Jet to 10,000 travelling on jumbo jets.
Per head the carbon emission for the latter is but a fraction of the former.
And besides, skeptics/deniers still have not proven the AGW people wrong, just in doubt. But the deniers/skeptics obsession with reversal is ridiculous. No double accounting there.
And to cut pollution, if not GH gases IS a desirable outcome for the world.
What if you are wrong Andrew and God forbid, the likes of Peter K?
I have been participating in this blog for a while now, and I find no more reason to believe deniers/skeptics BECAUSE THEY CANNOT PROVE THEIR CASE.
Surely Andrew you must understand that we only have ONE EARTH.
As for focussing on clean water, hunger and disease I do believe those issues were pioneered by the left & environmentalists.
Show me where the right wing has blazed trails or even been progressive in these areas?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:54am)
Janine, The fact that this conference is occurring as opposed to a difficult but possible video conference highlights the intense lack of desire for those involved to change the habits of the political world.
They are bureaucrat's playing a political game, they are utilising this sunshine and cocktail bash as a right of bureaucracy.
The face to face aspect shows that although we have the technology available that would reduce the gasses that they are so concerned about, they do not trust the people with whom the are negotiating with. As such they are using the trusted Beattie method of eying down his cabinet. This obviously failed (Nuttall, et.al.) and so there is no difference between face to face (with interpreters) and a video conference.
If the situation is as desperate as stated by the various cheer leaders of this cult, then every ounce of CO2 not emitted is more important than ever before. Those who are the supposed global/country and state leaders of this should be able to make the sacrifices required in this global tragedy and make the difficult logistics of such a video conference a badge of their commitment not an excuse.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:11am)
Your right Janine, they need to meet face to face to vote. Time to ring Julia and the Pastor to organize a 2 week holiday for all the voters in their electorate, it is only right that we all meet in one place and vote.
PaulyG, so deniers and sceptics can't disprove GW, so where is your prove that it exists. Global Warming, the biggest con of all times, designed to keep the third world people living in poverty.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:27am)
PaulyG,(06:41am), it's not that difficult to understand, but must be reiterated - interminably it seems.
Skeptics are not deniers - skepticism is not a belief. Skeptics are yet to be convinced.
Scientists (ideally) are skeptics.
Members of jury (ideally) are skeptics.
Skeptics do not have to prove the AGW people wrong.
The obligation to prove anything lies with the believers and in the case of AGW, skeptics say, on the available evidence, the case is not proven.
Verdict: humanity not guilty.
Atmospheric pollution is a red herring.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:42am)
Andrew Bolt
I think you'll find that once you remove the lure of business class tickets and two weeks at a luxury Bali resort, the number of delegates feeling the need to discuss global warming will fall sharply.
Andrewm, again with all due respect, I think your crystal ball is cracked.
Your logic is such that any summit which has a mission goal and brings bureaucrats together in a comfortable or pleasant surrounds will get nothing achieved.
What about G8 summits? What about the UN? What about COAG? What about Liberal Party conferences?
It is not a junket unless it has no mission.
Is there no Mission Earth Andrew?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:54am)
Interesting point there Janine. "Can't make an Omelette without breaking a few eggs"
Let's see if we can apply this theory to some other topics.
In the Iraq war, it was called collateral damage. A few civilians were killed for the greater good.
Left says bad.
Stolen generations? Take a few abused kids out of their homes to save them.
Left says bad.
Terrorism laws? Some civil liberties have been slightly reduced in order to protect society from the threat of terrorism.
Left says bad.
Workchoices? Its made it easier for employers to get rid of poor employees. Making it less of a risk to actually employ others full time as apposed to casual labour.
Left says bad.
What else is there that the left so vehemently oppose, but is really just breaking a few eggs?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:48am)
That is bit different to suggesting they can run this via teleconference.
So your only problem then is the first-class tickets?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:08am)
Daniel White replied to Janine I
Thu 08 Nov 07 (07:54am)
Janine, The fact that this conference is occurring as opposed to a difficult but possible video conference highlights the intense lack of desire for those involved to change the habits of the political world.
Lets just think that through shall we?
189 opinions in say 170 langauges equals 32,130 videochannels, just to say hello, konnichiwa, g'day, bonjour, ali kum salam, shalom, wei,… etc, and have it translated for everyone. You need 64Kps per channel for voice, 128Kps vor video, so that is 192Kbs per contender, so the bandwidth you would nneed is 6168,960Kbs ,or 6.1Gigabits per second. If the submarine cable that feeds sydney, the Japan Pacific 1 or something like that, also feed Bali, then the most they are likely to be getting is a 25 to 30Mbs pipe.
So you can only fly, or sail.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:11am)
Candles are a great way to save the world. There's looks romantic.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:18am)
Before you get on your soap box Bolta. I would assume that you would never of taken the opportunity to go to a seminar or the like just because it was in a nice location. YES OR NO?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:28am)
"Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs."
Bring on the Glorious Revolution!
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:33am)
Brad — your post is there in weirdo land — don't take your problems with the left out on me.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (12:28pm)
Anyone know any terrorists who might like to join the party ?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (12:49pm)
So you can only fly, or sail.
My suggestion is that they each rent a economy class row-boat, enough for 2 people. Then they can set out for Bali under their own power and not hurt the environment whilst setting a good example for everyone else. By the time they get there though our seas may already be rising and they may very well have been caught up in a tidal wave. Then life might return to normal for the rest of us, and in 50 years time people will have forgotten all about GW. I bet the Al Gore dolls (which surely will come out soon) though will be collectors items.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (12:55pm)
Exactly Brad - well put.
Just don't expect to change Janine or PaulyG's views on the matter, they are far too blinkered for that.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:18pm)
Not really addressing my point though are you Janine. Calling my post "weirdo land" is a cowardly way to respond. Show some backbone and discuss.
Why is it, in your eyes, ok to break a few eggs for Global warming, but not any other issue?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:57pm)
Janine if you think that is what is required to do this via videoconferencing then you really need to sit in the corner and have a good hard look at yourself.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:04pm)
Brad, it would not be a backbone I would need to stoop to your level of discussion, rather it would be no backbone… and associated brain stem.
You would have better luck discussing with nematodes, they feed on the stuff you offer.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:06pm)
Lets just think that through shall we?
189 opinions in say 170 langauges equals 32,130 videochannels, just to say hello, konnichiwa, g'day, bonjour, ali kum salam, shalom, wei,… etc, and have it translated for everyone. You need 64Kps per channel for voice, 128Kps vor video, so that is 192Kbs per contender, so the bandwidth you would nneed is 6168,960Kbs ,or 6.1Gigabits per second. If the submarine cable that feeds sydney, the Japan Pacific 1 or something like that, also feed Bali, then the most they are likely to be getting is a 25 to 30Mbs pipe.
Given they only need to talk the truth, I think twisted pair or sign langauge should suffice.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:20pm)
Bring on the Glorious Revolution!
Bring on Glorious Lunch. Mmmm, Mushroom Omelet (just not the one for sale in a certain Kuta Beach side-alley).
PS Bill - sorry, my previous answer a was too harsh. I was just being a smart-arse. My real answer is that I was not talking about breaking a few eggs for anything else but global warming, or rather that those other topics are just not on my radar.
Plus I don't want to be skewered in a left/right paradigm that is not relevant to me. If that is what you would confine me to then my answer is that I swing both ways baby.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (03:12pm)
Come off it Janine.
6.1Gb per second? Will they all be talking at the same time will they?
Nice try with the arithmetic, but is just doesn't work like that.
Ever heard of fibre cable? Multiplex switching?
You can easily have a dozen or more delegates uploading a live video feed, with hundreds, even thousands, of other delegates downloading.
It's not rocket science.
And the current infrastructure is already in place - and being upgraded on a regular basis.
Translation can be done on the receivers end. No probs.
Although, looking at the computer models they use for predictions - maybe their computer techs aren't all that up to scratch.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (04:41pm)
Natural replied to Janine I
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:18am)
Andrew isn't the one saying we need to cut carbon dioxide or we're going to drown or get blown off the face of the earth by tropical cyclones though, is he?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (04:52pm)
Yeah, PaulyG. We don't need to prove our case. We didn't make one in the first place. We were happy to let human progress continue along its merry path.
It's the AGW proponents who have made a case. Therefore, the onus is on them to prove it, beyond reasonable doubt. And they certainly haven't done that. In fact, they have failed miserably.
See my above post for further details re reasonable doubt.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:21pm)
Janine, But Indonesia would only need the feed of one channel, as would each country, the aggregation would most likely occur at high bandwidth locations within Europe and the US. You do not required each channel to carry the entire bandwidth, the systems are in place to allow for switching of channels for language demands. This is acheivable with current technology, and would prove valuable for future use so that all governments would no longer be required to travel for conferences that are really not all that neccessary.
As I said, not that difficult, possible with current technology, 2mbps per country for higher quality and if they believe that it is worth it then they should make this sacrifice or just admit that they are on the island for a piss up.
A very poor arguement from a Technical Writer.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:35pm)
Janine I and PaulG. The end justifies the means doesn't it. Janine, nicely ensconsced in down town Darlinghurst as far removed from Suburbia and the rest of mainstream Australia as one can imagine. PaulG, nicely settled in Bowen. Hope you like the rain. Al Gore's private jet is necessary to spread the word, but if I drive my car to work, I'm an enemy of GAIA. Is that it? Take off your blinkers. And when the GW alarmists starting targeting people for the chop, are you two going to be first in line to demonstrate your conviction. Let us know when this happens, so I can book a ring side seat.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:46pm)
Come off it Janine.
6.1Gb per second? Will they all be talking at the same time will they?
Nice try with the arithmetic, but is just doesn't work like that.
Ever heard of fibre cable? Multiplex switching?
You can easily have a dozen or more delegates uploading a live video feed, with hundreds, even thousands, of other delegates downloading.
It's not rocket science
You are suggesting something like Video Skype for a UN conference — run 'o the mill Internet traffic, but if you want QoS you would need committed bandwidth that can burst if you don't want one-on-one contention, but you would still need a committed information rate. So that maths approach is exactly how you would do it. And of course fibre.
I think you'll find that once you remove the lure of business class tickets and two weeks at a luxury Bali resort, the number of delegates feeling the need to discuss global warming will fall sharply.
Andrew Bolt
Thu 08 Nov 07 (07:28am)
If Al Gore turns up it'll probably snow for two weeks
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:16am)
Divert their flights to East Timor (Timor Leste)!!! Let them eat cassava instead, uhh
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:35am)
I reckon you said it all in and last 5 words Andrew "but what's the fun in thatâ€
There will be some grand proclamation and then everyone will fly home after a grand feast of Cow, Lamb and Fowl no pig of course.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:36am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (07:47am)
Pig is very common in Bali.
Hindu is the prominent Religion on the Island.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:54am)
The crime of having a little fun when you're working?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:26am)
If only they were working, Janine.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:23pm)
It hasn't even started Marty, mate, and you have prejudged.
See any problems with prejudging?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (04:15pm)
It could be argued you prejudged first by assuming they would be working.
Lets all go around in circles.
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
Thu 08 Nov 07 (04:12am)
all religionas need regular devotional services to reinspire the faithful
Thu 08 Nov 07 (04:59am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (12:30pm)
That was very funny - I'll pay that.
May Huey send a 2-week cold snap.. with sleet & hail.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (07:05am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:53pm)
Sorry Greg, having reread my tone, I didn't mean to come across that way. Please accept my apology. I get excited.
Wow, that is quite incredible.
Andrew, I used to be (several years ago) fairly ambivalent about the global warming issue. I more or less accepted what I had heard and didn't subject it to more scrutiny or serious thought simply because I didn't care. Maybe it was real, maybe it wasn't, didn't really give a toss either way. However, in more recent years this sort of thing, along with the shrill over the top warnings from those who then choose not to take their own advice completely turned me off.
I then started to think more about the issue and consider the standard of research required to prove something in my field (health), compared to that in this climate change dealy and they really are chalk and cheese. It is impossible to provide the sort of 'proof' in this case as it is in my field with no control group and large numbers of uncontrollable external variables to name just two. Findings based on 'Modelling' would get me laughed out of conferences. The fact that modelling (which cannot account for all of these external variables) might be the best that can be done from which to base future predictions does not then mean that we should take these as gospel or anything like it. Having said all that, I believe that it remains possible for AGW to have some substance, however the evidence required to satisfy me that this is absolutely the case remains lacking and until this is produced, I will remain with the null hypothesis.
I find it ironic that the types who think that they need to exaggerate the story in order to gain the attention of the apathetic public were directly responsible for turning my apathy into scepticism.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (07:22am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:05am)
Nicely stated, Greg. A bit wordy but calm and rational.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:45am)
Greg, trained in the physical sciences myself and drifted in to biomedicine, so I sympathise with your preference for billiard ball collision experimental certainties. Not however of the physicist Rutherford's school of thought that if you have to resort to statistics you haven't designed the experiment properly. (Mind you, he said that before the quantum revolution and the uncertainty principle).
But that is no reason to dismiss the results of research in areas where the complexity of the mechanism makes definitive answers more difficult.
The range of outcomes in worst case to best case scenarios is a measure of the difficulties, but the evidence has grown year upon year to the point where climate change scientists attribute a 90% probability to AGW.
If a patient had symptoms that you were only 90% sure were due to some potentially fatal disease that could be cured by expensive treatment that had some possible nasty but non-fatal side effects, would you wait until death disproved the null hypothesis?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:51am)
What scientists assign a 90 percent probably to man-made global warming being such a threat we have to do something about it Philip?
The truth remains that the chain of "logic" here is weak. You have to prove:
1. That Global Warming is happening.
2. That humans are causing it.
3. That the consequences will be bad.
4. That we can do something.
5. That the cost of doing something is less than the cost of not doing anything at all.
What you have in the MMGW camp is some poorly thought out science and some criminally-incompetent computer models. In other words, bugger all. The climate *may* be warming, but that does not even prove humans are to blame. Anyone who claims a 90 percent chance of squat ought to be sacked.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (12:14pm)
Oh yea Greg, where the hell are you going to get another planet the size of Earth, 149 million kms away from a similar sized sun, with the same atmospheric composition, and which follows a similar orbit and has no GHG injecting life-forms for a double blind cross-over trail?
That is definitely not a serious analogy between health and climate science you make, mate.
I would love to explore with you exactly how much you know about the methodologies behind medical trials, but your opening play is not encouraging.
Seriously now.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:12pm)
Greg, there is an abundance of such scams in the medical profession also - which makes the public not really trust the medical profession so much.
Myths like: 'Salt is bad for you' and 'stress leads to stomach ulcers' and 'eating eggs are bad for you' etc.
The medical profession is riddled with such hoaxes, dubious reports that come out and are later discredited but by then the damage is done. Not to discount the vast amount of good things in the medical profession but I see many parallels with the AGW hoax also.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (02:04pm)
SMFS: The 90% probability was the conclusion of the latest IPCC report.
Janine I: Well done. I was going to make precisely that point but to avoid the snip thought I would leave that part of Greg's analysis to a subsequent post.
"Controls" are either unecessary or not possible in many sciences. I had never heard of them in my undergraduate and postgraduate studies in Chemistry.
It was only after moving into the study of complex living things that I learned (with the suspicion of a physical scientist) that you took a statistically significant number of rats, treated some with substance Y and did a statistical analysis of the apparent effect on the treated versus untreated (control) rats.
As Janine I has pointed out, you can't get control earth, any more than cosmologists and astrophysicists and astronomers can get a control universe. They can't actually do experiments at all. They make observations and interpret them in terms of scientific knowledge in physics, chemistry, etc. Thus they infer that there was a big bang, there are black holes, that space is curved around stars and planets etc.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (03:19pm)
'climate change scientists attribute a 90% probability to AGW' Philip Shehan (08:45am)
The use of the phrase 'climate change scientist' is interesting in itself, but the claim is incorrect, if you believe the IPCC 2007 report.
They claim that more than 50% is more than 90% due to human activity and that's the best they can do after twenty years of research using the most powerful computers and spending billions of dollars.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (04:31pm)
No kidding, Janine! Your post was unnecessary, and I suspect a knee jerk reaction. You don't seriously think that your first paragraph was news to me did you? I would have thought that people reading here would take that for granted. I am also perplexed as to how or why you feel that I might not have a clear understanding of research as it applies to medicine. Which part of what I said about it was incorrect? You need to tone down the aggro, J. I appreciate Philip's more pleasant response however.
My points were that:
- firstly there are too many difficulties and confounding factors in determining the human contribution to GW and I am unconvinced by what I have seen and read so far.
"That is definitely not a serious analogy between health and climate science you make, mate".
This is why I used the medical field as a comparison to draw the distinction between our ability to test variables in one field versus another and then the strength of the conclusions that can be drawn. Janine - please note that I did not state that I required double blind RCTs with a large sample population of Earths to convince me of AGW. I do not actually require Philip's 'billiard ball' type certainty. Philip also made the comment that should a patient have symptoms that I was 90% sure were due to some potentially fatal disease etc etc. I have two problems with this, those being that I am far from 90% sure that GW is man made based on what I have seen. I do recognise that I am not an expert in the field....but then neither are some of the world's greatest GW alarmists. The other problem I have is that I disagree that the problem is 'potentially fatal'. So I wouldn't advocate breaking out the vancomycin for that minor bacterial infection until I'm pretty damn sure it is necessary, Philip.
- Secondly, a more general point was that the hysteria surrounding AGW in the absence of evidence that I personally feel would warrant it was the thing that has turned me off.
Well thats got to be 20 or 30 thousand tonnes of carbon dioxide right there, and that's before anyone opens their mouth.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (07:52am)
You always need masses to propagate mass hysteria.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:03am)
This fear and doom merchants have started a whole self-serving industry. Periods of abnormal climate activity is not unique to this present time. It has happened periodically in the planet's history. Core samples from coral in the Great Barrier Reef in the late 90's (when there was concern that the reef would be destroyed because of coral bleeching) showed that the reef had been under stress every 100 years or so - from periods of high temperature. Similarly, samples of old/ancient trees showed that the trees had been under stress every one hundred years or so - from periods of high temperature. This planet's climate is directly effected by the Sun and our solar system - if the world lived in caves these climate abnormalties will still happen, whenever the Sun has a cough or a comet gets too close to our planet etc etc.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:24am)
It's good to see they're cutting emissions by using CANDLES on the tables instead of light bulbs.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (08:59am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:10am)
Will Margaret Fullton turn up with Tim Flappery?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:17pm)
Golden Ratio,
But don't candles burn wax (parrafin or bee, not ear) or tallow? Aren't these organic? Isn't the result of burning organic stuff…
CO2? Oh dear.
Thu 08 Nov 07 (01:26pm)
It's so Martha Stewart!
Thu 08 Nov 07 (03:13pm)
Well, it would make it more romantic, discussing global warming by candlelight. It could start a new fad.
I wonder if the prevailing comment will be: "Gee's it's hot!"
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:02am)
And the actual practical action plan to alleviate AGW will fit on a postage stamp!
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:44am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (12:09pm)
No less than 1000 pages in 12 different languages according to United Nations conference rules.
Just cut down another forest for this one.
Any possibility of relocating all these signed-up pro-Climate Change worthies onto a spaceship called the 'B-Ark', and blasting them off into space?
Just get a rumour going that due to Climate Change, Earth is about to be consumed by a mutant star goat and they have been handselected to repopulate a new Earth somewhere out there in space. If we make Al Gore the Captain, and supply him with a brand new bathtub then it will be a 'win-win' situation for everyone (including us)!
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:44am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (10:08am)
Just remember to disinfect your telephones!
Dentarthurdent aka
Thu 08 Nov 07 (04:44pm)
If the leaf was legal tender we'd have a huge inflation problem with all that extra CO2 making plants grow, Peter
Thu 08 Nov 07 (05:38pm)
But, just think, if we fall and forget to hit the ground, then we could fly without generating greenhouse gases!
Dentarthurdent aka Peter o the west
Yes, they could video-conference except, all those servers, monitors, cameras, microphones and phones will use electricity, and add to global warming anyway! Maybe they could use pigeon post?
Thu 08 Nov 07 (09:51am)
Thu 08 Nov 07 (11:18am)
Use owls like Harry Potter et al......
How much CO2 does owl poop add to the environment?
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