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I think it was the timing of the end of the torture investigation that hurts most of all. Just days ago, Harold Koh was boasting of the Durham investigation to the UN. Then Bush started his dog and pony show, including his proud admission to have ordered up torture. All of which made today's announcement, that no one will be charged for covering up evidence of torture, almost anti-climactic.
Of course no one will be charged for destroying the evidence of torture! Our country has spun so far beyond holding the criminals who run our country accountable that even the notion of accountability for torture was becoming quaint and musty while we waited and screamed for some kind of acknowledgment that Durham had let the statute of limitations on the torture tape destruction expire. I doubt they would have even marked the moment–yet another criminal investigation of the Bush Administration ending in nothing–it if weren't for the big stink bmaz has been making. Well, maybe that's not right–after all, Bob Bennett was bound to do a very public victory lap, because that's what he's paid for.
The investigation continues, DOJ tells us, into obstruction of the Durham investigation itself. Maybe they think they've caught someone like Porter Goss in a lie. But at this point, that almost seems like a nice story the prosecutors are telling themselves so they can believe they're still prosecutors, so they can believe we still have rule of law in this country.
This inquiry started long before Obama started looking forward, not backward. It started before the White House allowed the Chief of Staff to override the Attorney General on Gitmo and torture. It started before we found out that someone had destroyed many of the torture documents at DOJ–only to find no one at DOJ cared. It started before the Obama DOJ made up silly reasons why Americans couldn't see what the Vice President had to say about ordering the leak of a CIA officer's identity. It started before the Obama White House kept invoking State Secrets to cover up Bush's crimes, from illegal wiretapping, to kidnapping, to torture. It started at a time when we naively believed that Change might include putting the legal abuses of the past behind us.
This inquiry started before the Obama Administration assumed the right to kill American citizens with no due process–all the while invoking State Secrets to hide that, too.
This inquiry started before Bush and then Obama let BP get away with serial violations of the laws that protect our workers and environment, and then acted surprised when BP ruined our Gulf.
This inquiry started before Obama helped to cover up the massive fraud committed by our banks, even while it continued to find ways to print money for those same banks. It started, too, before the Obama Administration ignored mounting evidence that banks–the banks employed by taxpayer owned Fannie and Freddie–were foreclosing on homes they didn't have the legal right to foreclose on, going so far as to counterfeit documents to justify it. This inquiry started when we still believed in the old-fashioned principle of property rights.
This inquiry started before banksters got excused when they mowed down cyclists and left the scene of the crime, because a felony would mean the bankster would lose his job.
The ACLU's Anthony Romero reacted to this news saying, in part, "We cannot say that we live under the rule of law unless we are clear that no one is above the law."
I think it's clear. We cannot say we live under the rule of law.
…The investigation continues, DOJ tells us, into obstruction of the Durham investigation itself. Maybe they think they've caught someone like Porter Goss in a lie…
Per the AP piece, I wonder if these then CIA lawyers (and perhaps still so) are on the target list for obstruction:
…On Nov. 4, 2005, as the CIA scrambled to quell a controversy from a Washington Post story revealing the existence of secret CIA prisons overseas, Rodriguez called two CIA lawyers. He asked Steven Hermes, his lawyer in the clandestine service, whether he had the authority to order the tapes destroyed. Hermes said Rodriguez did, according to documents and interviews.
Then Rodriguez asked Robert Eatinger, the top lawyer in the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, whether there was any legal requirement that the tapes be kept. Eatinger said no.
Eatinger and Hermes have told colleagues that they believed Rodriguez was merely teeing up a new round of discussions about the tapes and, because of previous orders not to destroy the tapes without White House approval, they were unaware that Rodriguez planned to move immediately, officials told The Associated Press…
Again via the AP's piece:
…Relying on the advice from Hermes and Eatinger, Rodriguez told Winograd to write an official request to destroy the videos. On Nov. 5, 2005, the request came in. Its justification: The inspector general had completed its investigation and CIA lawyer John L. McPherson had verified that the cables accurately summarized the tapes…
Maybe it's McPherson on the obstruction target list, but if memory serves me right, didn't he get immunity before Durham's grand jury:
All of which is why I'm a lawyer not practicing law now: I'm not going to slaughter my integrity to work in and thereby give camouflage – of respectability, whatever – to a corrupt system of non-law.
McPherson? Maybe not. I'm thinking more and more that my memory doesn't serve me right. *g*
Somebody got that immunity, but the more I think about it, I don't believe it was McPherson.
I believe that you EW were pretty efficient during review of the CIA IG report in demolishing CIA lawyer John L. McPherson's story that the "cables accurately summarized the tapes" and was total hogwash, so maybe McPherson is on another hook other than obstruction.
Via MSNBC:
Key witness in CIA tapes case not questioned:
The Justice Department special counsel who declined to bring criminal charges in the destruction of CIA videotapes of harsh interrogation never questioned the key witness in the case, according to two sources close to the case.
Jose Rodriguez, the former CIA director of counterterrorism operations, gave the order to destroy the tapes. The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told NBC News' Michael Isikoff that special counsel John Durham never issued a grand jury subpoena for Rodriguez's testimony during his more than a 2 1/2-year investigation.
Rodriguez's attorney, Bob Bennett, had made clear early on that his client would not testify without a grant of immunity. But Durham's failure to call Rodriguez, or even question him as a witness, surprised one lawyer close to the case, indicating it could raise questions about the special counsel's claim that he had conducted a "thorough" investigation.
McPherson got immunity.
Torture/ Murder/ Treason
So is overthrowing the rule of law treason or not?
You mean my memory was actually correct? Amazing!
MadDog, no torturer nor any enabler of torture will be placed on your fanciful list.
Once started such a prosecution would not stop at any place convenient for the lords and masters… therefore such a prosecution simply will not be allowed to start.
Torture is what the United States of America did.
Torture is what the United States of America does.
Torture is what the United States of America tacitly condones and enables.
I don't disagree. As I said on the previous post:
I'd still recommend against holding one's breath.
Via the AFP:
…US officials said they would not rule out possible criminal charges into a parallel probe ordered last year by Attorney General Eric Holder into methods used by interrogators while questioning the detainees
"That investigation continues," Durham's spokesman Tom Carson told AFP.
Isn't this the very first time Durham's spokesman Tom Carson has ever said anything but "no comment"?
Listen, the DOJ gave McPherson immunity and then blithely let the statute run without charging Rodriquez in order to leverage him. How are you going to get to Hermes and Eatinger without these links in the chain? McPherson has shown he is rather slippery and non-helpful once he was immunized. My understanding is DOJ has literally given letters of no-charge clearance to the agents actually doing the physical destruction overseas. There is no case against Rodriquez or McPherson at this point. Can't even get to any of the others with those holes. I just do not see where there is any other action left in play here. The only possibility is that they are after McPherson for going wobbly and slippery, and I don't buy that either. that was six months ago, why wouldn't you charge it up before your base crime statute of limitations ran? There is just nuthin going on here.
As long as they are still "investigating" they can drag out all kinds of things and use their "investigation" status as a sword to kill off access to information and claims in other cases.
And let's face it, there never was an actual investigation into any of the underlying criminality and depravity. Zero. NEVER was even an ATTEMPT TO PRETEND that there would be an investigation into the underlying crimes. It was, like Fitzgerald's whittled down mandate, already so restricted from the get go that it couldn't really go anywhere, despite the chaff they tried to throw early on about how golly – Bullboy was going back to Holder for more authorization.
This is why a Palin isn't really that much different from an Obama. For a decade now, the institutions themselves have been run by people who go to bed and wake up ok with torture and depravity as long as it comes for their bosses and the guys & gals who can keep their careers on track. Anyone not in that mold would have been making noisey withdrawals and leaving by 2004 at the latest. Those who actually joined up after it was on the table that they were working going to be working for torturers and sex abusers and assassains – well, they are what they are.
The DOJ today is an institution where the phrase Saturday Night Massacre is now just a description of the night of the week when their clients were working.
This goes back to letting the JFK killer skate. The first commission I remember that superseded a criminal investigation, though not the last .
George bush sr was CIA Dallas when JFK was offed after the MIC runaway bay of pigs(what an appropriate name for those CIA creeps).
Hiding heads under the sand hasn't worked so far.
Exactly. This is nothing but cover for not admitting it is over, not answering questions and not reporting.
Answer me a question please, oh legal eagle. Regarding Isikoff's report, how does somebody like Rodriguez not get pulled into the Durham grand jury?
Even if Rodriguez's attorney, Bob Bennett insists "his client would not testify without a grant of immunity", why would Durham not force the issue with Rodriguez and make him do the 5th Amendment tapdance?
In other words, what does Durham think he's going to lose by not running Rodriguez through his grand jury hoops?
I'm seeming to miss the downside here, particularly since not calling Rodriguez didn't produce anything either.
I was told the same thing by the way. This is what Brent Mickum, Zubaydah's attorney, said to me in response:
Brent Mickum, an attorney who represents Abu Zubaydah, the first high-value detainees subjected to waterboarding whose torture was captured on the videotapes, said the fact that Durham did not call Rodriguez to testify suggests that Rodriguez intended to assert his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
"There really isn't any other explanation" as to why Durham did not call Rodriguez to testify, Mickum said. Durham "can't force Rodriguez to testify if he intended to plead the Fifth. If [Durham] didn't call him and could have and was not advised that Rodriguez would plead the Fifth than that would be unacceptable. I feel very confident, however, that didn't happen."
Mickum said he had several conversations with Durham during the course of his investigation and he said Durham "conceded that he could see possible motive for destruction of the evidence without ever identifying what those motives were."
As a supporter of the "no one is above the law" view, I don't get the reason Durham didn't put Rodriguez in a GJ box.
At the very least, it would send messages to both the CIA, and to the American public, that here's "this American hero, a true patriot" as his attorney Bennett spins it, and he hasn't got the balls to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" in our judicial system.
I think Bennett just convinced him his client really would plead the fifth on anything other than his name and that it was a waste of time to bring him in for that; may even have certified that in writing. Certainly not unheard of for prosecutors to accept that and not bring the witness in, although many do.
Durham "conceded that he could see possible motive for destruction of the evidence
That is pretty interesting. But of course he did; you would have to be blind not to see motive. Fuck, they admitted the tapes were horrendous and would make them look bad. So, yeah, glad Mr. Durham "could see possible motive".
Yeah, and the "politics" of "looking forward, not backward" means that in the Obama Administration, there's no sense in hoisting Agency folks on their own pétard.
Via Carrie Johnson over at NPR:
…CIA Director Leon E. Panetta said the agency was "pleased" no officer would be charged…
Shorter Panetta: "Happy Meals for everybody! My treat!"
On a related topic, via the AP:
DOJ: Lawyer's recovered e-mails show no misconduct
The Justice Department reviewed newly found e-mails sent by a Bush administration lawyer and stands by a conclusion that the attorney did not commit professional misconduct in authorizing CIA interrogators to use waterboarding and other harsh tactics, a department letter shows.
The review of the additional e-mails did not alter the earlier assessment that the lawyer, John Yoo, merely had exhibited poor judgment, according to the letter to the House and Senate judiciary committees. The letter was obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday…
Doesn't sound like Panetta thinks anybody has any further exposure does it? No, of course not. They don't.
My take as well.
Or at the most, some former CIA folks and/or contractors might still get it in the neck, but not any current folks.
Ha! So sayeth David Margolis I guess, King of the OPR Roach Motel.
Mickum said he had several conversations with Durham during the course of his investigation and he said Durham "conceded that he could see possible motive for destruction of the evidence without ever identifying what those motives were."
(my bold)
I mean no disrepect but Durham's comment sounds like he thought he was talking to a kindergartner. How patronizing of Durham.
Good grief. He could see possible motives? Just possible?
Enough has come out on public record to show means, motive and opportunity. The three aspects of a crime.
Possible motives. Not enough evidence.
The Hollow Men…Oh TS we could use your prose about now.
I just laugh at statements like this now:
New Jersey Democratic Rep. Rush Holt decried an overall lack of accountability. In a statement, Holt said he tried to insert language in an intelligence bill that would require the CIA to preserve interrogation tapes. But the language was blocked.
"This episode is another reminder of why we need a bipartisan commitment to effective and meaningful congressional oversight of the intelligence community," Holt said in a statement.
I totally agree. That was how Zubaydah's attorney characterized their conversations. In my conspiratorial view, I think Durham knew months ago (when Holder kept saying the investigation was wrapping up any day now) that he wasn't going to file charges and waited until after the election. That they announced it on the day Bush published his book just makes it that much more memorable.
The election covering the statute running was just too much synergy for the pricks to pass up. From what I can tell, they have not done squat since April or early May, and the decision was made by then, if not before. But, if nobody is going to call you on it, why not be safe and run the statute? It is what competent cretins do.
Just my personal SWAG here, but I've got to believe that Durham's Torture Tape destruction no prosecution decision wasn't made in the past week, but had taken place some time ago.
And I want to thank brother bmaz for his DOJ letter because I believe that was one of the primary instigations for the DOJ to even bother responding today at all.
While I'm not saying that the DOJ would have necessarily deep-sixed any public pronouncement forever, I'm of the opinion that today's response was at least in part a decision by the Obama Administration politicos to throw the DFH bloggers a "open government" bone.
I recall that WaPo story written by Carrie Johnson back in March that the investigation was "winding down." Eight months to wind down seems unlikely.
Viva "Edgy"!!!
That's my suspicion too. However, in terms of "open government" I don't believe their was really anything the DOJ revealed other than "case closed." And I do believe they would not have made the statement if they were not pressured to do so. Perhaps it's a coincidence. But I really don't think anyone was aware of the SOL expiring prior to reading about it here.
…However, in terms of "open government" I don't believe their was really anything the DOJ revealed other than "case closed."
Their idea of "open government" is far different than us not-government-employees folks. *g*
…But I really don't think anyone was aware of the SOL expiring prior to reading about it here.
If true, my already low opinion of DOJ busybodies has just about hit rock bottom.
If there were rule of law in this country, Bush would be on trial.
Excuse me, Mr President, but I was told there would be accountability.
The accountants have decided to that everything's deductible.
By "nobody" I meant the media. Sorry about that. I think the fact that the SOL expiring was reported here got people to make queries to DOJ and Durham. But again, just my conspiracy theory.
Excellent point! That the MSM would've missed the SOL expiring does not surprise me one bit, and I agree that without the alarm sounding here, it wouldn't have sounded at all.
I been whining about various statutes expiring, including this one, forever. Nobody paid attention when the statute ran on the al-Haramain crimes (that a Federal judge had already ruled to be illegal acts); nobody cared. It is kind of sad. Where was Carrie Johnson before the fucking statute had run?? If she knew a murder was going to happen, would she just wait until it did to report on it?
Yeah, but you weren't the twitter monster you now are when the al-H SOLs expired.
"team edgy"
hmmmm, has possibilities.
Let's see if I have this right…
There was destruction of evidence to cover up criminal culpability in torture. The special counsel chooses not to prosecute because of insufficient evidence.
But if the evidence was destroyed…
Oh, never mind.
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? NO evidence. Got it.
Now let's all not be giving any more freebie ideas to the Banksters on all those foreclosed mortgages they claim to hold.
double hee:
US peace activists following the lead of their British counterparts to launch a campaign to reshelve George Bush's new memoir, Decision Points, "where it belongs": in the crime section of their local bookshops.
Eli is upstairs!
Why Does Michael Kinsley Hate America?
Yes we can
You know, there never was all that great an accounting for all the people at all the blacksites that never ended up going to GITMO. I mean, we know the CIA froze one guy who wasn't with al-Qaeda at the time and who may have saved Karzai's life at some point to death, but what about the others? Never even a minimal effort to account for them. I mean, there actually was a smidge, once upon a time, when McCain was actually asking some ghost prisoner questions, but in general, nothing.
Part of the story here is how much wasted effort there was in setting up people like Cheney and Rove as the laser focus points. They were only the kinds of villains that history and the people who founded this country expected to have come along. The real villains always were sitting in Committees in Congress and collecting DOJ checks. The guys who were supposed to be the good guys, but who were happily in the pocket of and "legalizing" the Cheney's and Rove's. Jay Bybee will always be, in the end, a much worse man then the men who tortured on his approvals. Because he was given a different role by grace and by design and by history, and he betrayed it at every point.
Rove is what can be expected of a political operative. But what individual after individual after individual in the DOJ have done, that was a betrayal of the nation at its lowest point – the knife in the back when the country turned to face its challenges from without. And I know a lot here won't feel this way, bc they don't necessarily believe in God, but the difference between being a vindictive political weasel and being a man or woman who is willing to send a nation's soul to hell for career enhancement – well, there's no comparison. God will never bless an unrepentant torture nation and they've guaranteed that reality, all for their personal comfort and careers. That's so wicked I flinch to think it has been the institutional norm for a decade now. To torture is bad. To work from within a nation's justice system to knowingly and willingly train a nation to be accepting and even supportive of torture is just so wicked I can't think of a word for it.
And they come in such nice packages….that scares me as well.
Heh, thought that might mean "Fire Chilly Now!"
OT warning! —
rosalind, I've not yet had a chance to see 'Fair Game', but am I the only one who finds it bizarre and Bush-like that his dog-and-pony show for his book is happening the week that Fair Game is out?
Typical Bushista bullshit, if you ask me.
Got torture statutes running out that you don't want anyone to have time to discuss? Schedule your book interviews for right about that date. Got a "Fair Game" movie coming out that you want to divert attention from so that you can suck up all the oxygen and the movie will have less attention? Schedule your book tour for the dates that the movie hits its release dates — and then make sure that you give your interview to 'lefty' NBC so that no one will notice they aren't mentioning the movie.
Sean Penn and Naomi Watt ought to be all over the news right now talking about the movie. But nooooooo…. everyone's niggling about Bush's b.s.
BTW: Am I the only one who thought part of that Bush interview with Lauer was almost creepy the way it was set up to 'mimic' an interrogation room? No background pictures, just a plain simple table and bright lighting? As if to say, "See, these settings are just convivial conversation…"
Now, back to the thread topic…
Sweet Jesus. It's things like that make me grateful for a good bottle of scotch.
Excuse me, Mr. President, but I was told there would be accountability.
"I hope by now most of you have seen through the facade of Barack Obama, who functioned for the corporate state as a brand. He, I think, in many ways was similar to what we saw done by Benetton or Calvin Klein, where they used people of color and HIV positive models as a way to associate their products with risqué style and progressive politics. But the result was the same. It was to confuse a passive consumer that a brand was an experience which is why, just before Obama assumed office, Advertising Age awarded Obama their top annual award. He beat Nike, Zappos and Apple for Marketer of the Year."
Chris Hedges, 3 weeks ago, speaking about his new book, Death of the Liberal Class
Oh, I see … I need to use the widget for anchors.
Once again, here's the video of Chris Hedges.
"The DOJ today is an institution where the phrase Saturday Night Massacre is now just a description of the night of the week when their clients were working."
I once heard former AG Elliot Richardson asked if it had taken courage to resign rather than obey Nixon's command to fire special prosecutor Archibald Cox. Richardson replied at once that it had not, in a tone of voice and with body language indicating, I thought, that the question was absurd. Cox had a contract with DOJ. Cox had not breached the terms of his contract. There were no grounds to fire him. Therefore, refusing to fire him took no courage.
In the audience, close to the front and listening, was Douglas Feith. I've sometimes wondered what Doug Feith thought of Richardson's so taking for granted that the right thing was the only thing to do that it took no courage to do it.
EW, it's late and I haven't had time to read through the comments yet, but THANK YOU for writing this up, and I agree with everything you wrote. I am sick of what our country is becoming. I am sick of what our DOJ has become. I am sick of the mess that we are leaving to the next generation.
And I am sick of a VP who tells us to stop whining. You haven't seen anything yet, buster. If you want to be re-elected, you better start living your oath of office.
Bob in AZ
And I know a lot here won't feel this way, bc they don't necessarily believe in God, but the difference between being a vindictive political weasel and being a man or woman who is willing to send a nation's soul to hell for career enhancement – well, there's no comparison. God will never bless an unrepentant torture nation and they've guaranteed that reality, all for their personal comfort and careers. That's so wicked I flinch to think it has been the institutional norm for a decade now. To torture is bad. To work from within a nation's justice system to knowingly and willingly train a nation to be accepting and even supportive of torture is just so wicked I can't think of a word for it.
Thank you Mary. Thank you.
(my bold)
The DOJ today is an institution where the phrase Saturday Night Massacre is now just a description of the night of the week when their clients were working.
To work from within a nation's justice system to knowingly and willingly train a nation to be accepting and even supportive of torture is just so wicked I can't think of a word for it.
Don't ever stop writing. Your passion for the truth electrifies. Thank you for all that you do.
And I am sick of a VP who tells us to stop whining. You haven't seen anything yet, buster. If you want to be re-elected, you better start living your oath of office.
I've come up with a response when I get the "stop whining" comment.
I say in a calm voice, "My goodness, what a tragic misunderstanding of how I am being heard. I am not whining. This is righteous anger due to the lack of rule of law and a broken democracy. The fact that no one modeled an understanding of the difference between whining and righteous anger for you during your formative years, makes me concerned for you. I also conclude that you must be unaware of the difference between the two which would point to living in a state of moral corruption and unable to recognize the import of the difference between whining and righteous anger. Making positive and negative choices for the greater good of society is based on an understanding of the difference."
Then I tell them I have a list with evidence and facts which demonstrate how the rule of law and democracy are broken and I would love to schedule a meeting with them to go over each concern on my list. I remind them, " A whiner would not take the time to research concerns. Whining is an emotional response, not a cognitive one. A cognitive response has research behind it."
I close with:
"Calling someone a whiner when the someone has genuine concerns, is an emotional response, not a cognitive response. It is rude and shows an unwilling attitude to work together."
Certainly more civilized than balling up your fists and snarling "STFU!"
Well, I must tell you, my response drives fear into them and makes them regret every utterance of "whiner."
When, I ask for a meeting and they decline. I ask, "What are you trying to avoid?"
I get crickets from them.
I respond with, "I see, there is nothing you are trying to avoid. That's a good starting place for rational dialogue."
This is usually followed by speechlessness and sputtering.
It. Is. So. Fun.
God will never bless an unrepentant torture nation and they've guaranteed that reality,
EG. guaranteed that unreality: part of what's worked into the culture w/this is the "torture is meme, left to linger in the minds of a public derprived of the specifics.
Morally, the guarantee is cascading re-assertion of lies… a lack of accounting for what was/is true.
That's so wicked I flinch to think it has been the institutional norm for a decade now. To torture is bad. To work from within a nation's justice system to knowingly and willingly train a nation to be accepting and even supportive of torture is just so wicked I can't think of a word for it.
Well said. And… most of US public doesn't know.
Or for those who architected, obstructed, justified all this: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
And it's the same charactar that's similarly been implemented in finance, economy, and all the rest.
"torture is meme"
server edited out my tags… meant to say:
torture is (good/patriotic/christian/necessary/they-deserved-it/etc.)
It becomes crystal clear why Bush did not feel the need to pardon anyone in his administration; Obama was their handpicked flunky, he could have carried Bush's bags to the waiting helicopter on Inauguartion Day, he was just that obseqiuous.
They cannot stop the truth from coming out.
For all the reasons enumerated here and elsewhere, they had to destroy the videotapes… or they want you to think they were all destroyed.
But they cannot destroy all the evidence of their massive torture and experimentation program. I suppose some of them realize that, and the game will be to play for time, hence stringing everyone along.
But I emphasize, they cannot destroy all the evidence, and some of that evidence will expose yet more dire crimes, ones that have not even been discussed thus far. The work Jason and I have done in documenting the setup for "legally" allowing experiments on the detainees has only been published in part. There is more. And let me add that such an apparatus was not set up for the fun of it. My work on the Army Field Manual and the drug issue, and exposure of current U.S. Navy documents admitting to research on "consciousness-altering drugs or mind-control techniques" (quoting from the Navy) point the way. I wish the rest of you all would follow that trail.
I'm going down that way, and I can tell you the view gets clearer and clearer. It will yield far greater results than waiting on Durham did. It will bring us to the ugly truth of Guantanamo and the torture program, a truth that is still only barely realized — that at its core was a huge experimental program along the lines of MKULTRA, Project Artichoke, etc.
"The investigation continues, DOJ tells us, into obstruction of the Durham investigation itself."
How… *meta*. Truly a post-modern, bipolartisan presidency.
To each their own; but, quite frankly, I have no idea in the world what you mean by the little phrase "waiting on Durham". Who here was waiting on Durham?
Obama rulez the law.
They cannot stop the truth from coming out.
That is an important point to remember.
Thanks Jeff.
Not you, or (most) people here. Sorry if you took offense. But in the psych and human rights circles and listservs I frequent, that is/was the case.
I'm very well aware that you have been in the forefront of calling bullshit on the Durham business. And I've said that, so I didn't suddenly change my mind. I just didn't give the context to my comment.
Jeff, have you by any chance come across a nexxus between Guantanamo,and the biowarfare research of David Kelly,before his demise?
Special Prosecutor Declines to File Criminal Charges Over Destruction of CIA Torture Tapes; Jason Leopold; truthout; 11/9/10
I haven't been able to keep up with this, and so I just noticed that Jeff linked to this article in yesterday's thread.
No. I have not seen or heard of a connection like that. That doesn't mean there isn't one, and I do suspect (and on this have only a surmise, based on a paucity of evidence) that "bioterrorism" research may have been conducted at Guantanamo. But thus far, besides the "deception" research, what I've found has to do with "scientific" ways to break down a person's personality or mind, for torture, etc.
Soon, we'll have out an article regarding the uses of such breaking down, i.e., what's meant by "etc." above.
By the way, I don't think Koh was necessarily buying the Durham line, but instead is part of the cover-up. I would remind everyone that Koh was the one who very rapidly refused to follow up the PHR request for an investigation into CIA experimentation on torture, and threw the request over to the CIA for them to handle. (Uh, yeah.)
If you hang around torturers for too long, evil rubs off on even the best of people. Dawn Johnsen doesn't know how lucky she was.
One witness in the case who worked with Rodriguez said, "I can't believe Rodriguez got away with it" upon learning that Durham would not prosecute his former colleague. This person said Rodriguez destroyed evidence to cover-up the fact that the two detainees whose interrogations were videotaped were tortured.
Jason gets better testimony than Durham.
bmaz, question.
Should it be found out that a death (murder) or near death (attempted murder) was depicted on the destroyed videos, could Rodriguez be charged as an accessory to murder?
Thank you so much for the feedback, Jeff.
The October Truthout article that you linked @#68 brought that to mind,for me.
Specifically this excerpt:Treating Soldiers
The original impetus for the changes seems to have related more to the use of experimental therapies on US soldiers facing potential biological and other dangers in war zones.The House Armed Services Committee proposed amending 10 USC 980 prior to the 9/11 attacks. But the Bush administration pressed for the changes after 9/11 as the United States was preparing to invade Afghanistan and new medical products might be needed for soldiers on the battlefield without their consent, said two former officials from the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Yet, there were concerns about the changes even among Bush administration officials. In a September 24, 2001, memo to lawmakers, Bush's Office of Management and Budget (OMB) said the "administration is concerned with the provision allowing research to be conducted on human subjects without their informed consent in order to advance the development of a medical product necessary to the armed forces."
Those OMB officials weren't read into the program, I suppose.
Oh, quite right, Koh was duplicitously using Durham as cover against the whims of the international prosecutorial set, who get more hamstrung if there is a legitimate American investigation. They don't have much jurisdiction anyway, but certainly existence of a legitimate US case cuts into what they may have.
Not that I can see.
The USG's practice and advocation of torture as a means of extension of it's foreign policy runs from the War on Vietnam to the War on Afghanistan. The School of Americas now called the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation continues to export it's legacy of torture and death with today's blow back from it's trained agents who work for the Zetas Cartel in Mexico. Ten of thousands of Central Americans have been recently disappeared and are disappearing every day due to the "fruits" of these US training efforts and participation those who hide in the shadows of the USG doing the same evil deeds they did under Air America in Vietnam and Iran-Contra in Central America. GITMO and US illegal prisons still in operation are the grand fruits and havens of these labors of evil. Obama has yet to relent because he choose status-quo over change that was his mandate.
The US legacy of torture includes glorious achievement such as the SAVVAK Secret Police in Iran, the Contras in Nicaragua and beyond. The sustaining force behind all of this is the CIA who time and again maintain themselves beyond the reach of the law. This is how the US government works.
If this were not such a tragic situation it would seem comical the venting of incensed liberals and left leaning folks who hold the pretense that the US Justice system will ever produce anything that will vaguely resemble justice. Especially when it comes to expanding or preserving the US global hegemony. It is far better to take to the street and burn something until the they relent, rather than shed crocodile tears and wax cathartic with our words of indignation.
If this business of torture and injustice is news to anyone here, your either very young, naive or you very old and you've been in hiding… …these are good words and discussion but they beg the question "when will we move beyond our dribble of indignant words that are mocked by the foundation of US Foreign Policy and get rid of the CIA and the horrible disease it perpetuates!"
Phlipn Page
Apres vous….
oui, bien sûr. mon feu est déjà en flammes.
Ah, makes me break into a shit-eating grin and a warm chuckle just thinking about it.
It's funny; I think the MSM and the Rovians assume we're all pajama-wearing losers. Which just makes it all the more fun ;-)
Philip flambe.
Ah,moi j'aime le parfum de buccon dans le matin.
Don't know what that would be in Latin, but I think this spanish phrase is pretty apt ;-)
Fuego que pinche cabron
I don't recall this being discussed before-perhaps it was and I mised it, but in January'09 Vietnam Vets filed suit for biological experiments . Pretty interesting stuff:
VCS Lawsuit Attorney Fighting for MKULTRA Veterans – Veterans For ...Oct 18, 2009 … VA Encourages Affected Vietnam Veterans to File Disability Claims; Get Healthcare … and that many of the biological experiments were modeled after … 2009). More information regarding this lawsuit can be found at …
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/…/veterans…/1436-gordon-erspamer – Cached
Vietnam Vets of America Slams CIA stonewalling in lawsuit on …Aug 28, 2010 ... The Vietnam Veterans of America filed a lawsuit on behalf of six Vietnam War veterans in January, 2009, claiming that … as many as 400 chemical and biological agents," according to Courthouse News. … Their bringing to light the horrors of experimentation on Vietnam Veterans by the CIA will curb …
http://www.veteranstoday.com/…/viet-vets-of-america-slams-cia-stonewalling-in- lawsuit-on-experiments-on-troops/ – Cached
I am not positive, but I think that translates to "Fire the goatfucker". That about right?
Yea, about, fire the f*cking assh*le
And you're also right, cabrone is literally goat. He really needs to go
Or at the most, some former CIA folks and/or contractors might still get it in the neck, but not any current folks.
So, as long as you belong to The Company, you're OK, but if you leave The Company, you're on your own?
Bob in aZ
Jerry Nadler was on The Ed Show today, in response to Bush's interview and book about his role in torture, demanding a Congressional investigation.
Of course, since the Republicans are about to take over the House, this may be a meaningless gesture.
Bob in AZ
OK, here's the deal. This may be an odious path to some, but it may be the only way to get traction on the torture issue.
The Republicans aren't going to be too eager to investigate Bush's open confession of a war crime, even if Nadler is all hot and bothered about it. They won't get interested unless they can hang some of it on Obama.
(Here, imagine a light bulb flashing over my head.)
Ah! but what if someone fed info about goings-on at Bagram under Obama to Daryl Issa?
Bob in AZ


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Yokomenuchi: exterior entry?
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Re: Yokomenuchi: exterior entry?
Long Trinh
In my dojo as in a lot of styles the basic entry is an irimi or irmi tenkan with an atemi to the head of uke while the other hand deflect uke's attacking arm.
This is all well and good, except that, just like other interior entry you always risk running into uke's free hand. Anyone with a good martial foundation will keep the other hand in their front arc ready to protect the face or to counter attack. And the free back leg...
Then I saw this one:
I really like this exterior entry. Keep you away from both the free arm and leg of uke while positioning you behind and into uke's guard. However I've never seen this before and the vid was too fast for me. The circular downward cut of yokomen is too wide to irimi outside and it's hard to deflect uke's right arm with your left arm like in this vid.
Anyone familiar with an exterior entry for yokomen? Vids appreciated!
At 1:13, it looks like he's leading (disrupting?) with contact from the inside an instant before his back hand connects with and cuts her yokomenuchi down and across his center line. I'm "new" so please anyone correct me where I seem off, but I'd describe the beginning portion as slipping/ducking the attack to the outside to show how the base moves/attacks and then later he seems to use that "disruption" from the inside an instant before the outside cut occurs.
As I understand it (I mean that phrase very loosely), if both sides are alive and you don't suppress aite's center, that's when you get hit.
Also, my gut says trying to enter through an arcing cut from the outside is like trying to squeeze an egg (which is of course much easier to break from the inside), which to my mind would seem to support the idea that he's actually connecting to the strike from the inside to draw it further away from aite's center (off-balancing slightly?) before attacking from the outside.
...Looking again at :27, it looks like both arms/hands connecting almost simultaneously...which still looks like a bit of inside first to draw off center before cutting down from the outside...although, again, my eyes aren't that great, let alone my level of skill.
Any further analysis would be greatly appreciated!
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So, imagine my delight when I stumbled upon the Kate Spade All Occasion Gift Set stationery collection. This set of miniature cards includes thank you notes, get well, congratulatory, and birthday cards, as well as thinking-of-you messages, all nestled in a chic chocolate brown caddy. In keeping with the Kate Spade style, each card features a classic, colorful message to the recipient written in traditional script. Simple dividers separate each occasion of this stationery set. But my favorite part of this caddy is the envelopes! Each envelope is lined in a cheerful coordinating color that lets your special someone just how special you think she is. Small details like heavy paper and lined envelopes make all the difference, whether you are addressing wedding invitations or a single birthday card. Having this gift set on hand makes it easy to keep on top of your correspondence. (Don't you find that when you have fun stationery, you're so much more likely to find that time?!) This set would make a fantastic hostess gift for the etiquette (or stationery) lover in your life.
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Companies Shouldn't Confuse Tweeting With Advertising
What is the one tip you would you give the owner of a small business just getting started on social media?
JOANNE CHANG: Don't farm it out. Don't hire someone to speak for you. In order to be successful at social media it has to be genuine. It has to reflect who you are and how you think and what floats your boat. That is what people respond to.
I can tell in two tweets if someone is tweeting themselves or having someone tweet for them—as soon as it's clear that they are not doing it themselves it just becomes advertising. Remember that people don't follow businesses on social media because they love reading marketing pitches—they follow you because they are curious about you.
It's your job on social media to present yourself and your business in a way that interests readers so show them behind the scenes, struggles, problems, successes, everything, warts and all.
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- Just a day away from landing, Discovery's astronauts received the first-ever live wake-up music in the history of the shuttle program Tuesday, a tune written in honor of the world's most traveled spaceship.
Discovery is on the verge of ending its nearly 27-year flying career. It's scheduled to return to Earth on Wednesday for the last time.
NASA will spend several months decommissioning Discovery, then send it to the Smithsonian Institution to live out its days.
Before Tuesday morning, a shuttle crew had never awakened to a live music performance before from Mission Control.
The lead guitarist of Big Head Todd and the Monsters performed a solo version of "Blue Sky." The group wrote the song at the request of the 2005 crew of Discovery, which returned NASA to orbit following the Columbia tragedy. It ended up the top vote-getter in NASA's pick-the-wake-up-music contest to mark the end of the shuttle program, just a few months away with only two mission remaining.
Shuttle commander Steven Lindsey thanked Mission Control for the special recording. He didn't realize the acoustic performance was live until Todd Park Mohr radioed greetings.
"Did you just do that live?" Lindsey asked.
"I did just do that live, and I believe it's a first in history," replied Mohr. "On behalf of Big Head Todd and the Monsters, and songwriters and artists everywhere, we just want to thank you so much for your courage and your bravery and your effort in just giving all of us a better shot at knowing more."
Lindsey said he and his five crewmates wish everyone could see what astronauts see when they look down at Earth. "Hopefully, everybody will be able to do that one of these days," he said. "Hopefully sooner than later."
On Monday, Mission Control beamed up a prerecorded message by actor William Shatner of 1960s "Star Trek" fame, in honor of Discovery's final mission. "Theme from Star Trek" was the music contest runner-up.
Commander Steven Lindsey and his crew tested Discovery's flight systems on the eve of their return. Everything checked out fine.
Discovery departed from the International Space Station on Monday, leaving behind a newly installed storage compartment and equipment platform, as well as the first humanoid robot in space. The shuttle will wrap up its 13-day mission with a noontime touchdown Wednesday, weather permitting. Good weather is forecast.
Discovery is the first of NASA's three shuttles to be retired. Many at NASA contend that the fleet still has lots of flying lifetime left. But the space agency is under presidential direction to aim for true outer space, which means giving up the shuttles, which are confined to orbit.
Two shuttle launches remain: Endeavour next month and Atlantis at the end of June.


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While written primarily for Benedictine oblates, this simple yet elegant prayerbook also gives the unfamiliar user a starting place from which to progress into a more intense practice. Largely a two-week arrangement of morning and evening prayer, it also contains essays that provide a broad introduction to monastic spirituality and its relevance for non-monastics.
Work of God relies substantially on the ICEL psalms. The psalms for each day include at least one of those which Benedict recommended for the liturgical hour. The closing prayer for each liturgy is linked through words and images to some concept or quotation in the Rule, thus providing more of a connection to Benedictine spirituality. Each day's liturgy includes a short reading and the New Testament canticle, so there's no need to turn from one section to another.
Work of God is not an official manual, but rather a convenient alternative to the multiple liturgy books used in some communities, the Roman Breviary, or more general or abbreviated office books. Beautifully bound with gilt-edged pages and one ribbon marker, it is a handsome addition to any bookshelf.
Those who live in the spirit of St. Benedict are always alert to God. The opening word of the Rule, "listen," is its essence. One listens first of all to the words of Scripture which teach God's way. Work of God helps the pray-er allow the Word to speak within the self in an environment of silence and solitude.
Essays by Sutera are "The Life and the Spirit of St. Benedict," "Benedictinism and the World Around It: The Oblate Movement," and "Praying the Liturgy of the Hours." Irene Nowell, O.S.B., contributes the essay "Praying the Psalms." Other chapters are "Week I—Evening and Morning Praise," "The Practice of Lectio Divina," "Thoughts from the Rule of St. Benedict," "Some Benedictine Prayers," "The Medal and the Cross of St. Benedict," "Week II—Evening and Morning Praise," "Major Feasts of the Church Year," "Common for Feasts of Christ," "Common for Feasts of Mary," "Common of Apostles and Martyrs," "Common of Holy Men and Women," and "Compline (Night Prayer)."
|A Benedictine Oblate (Minneapolis, MN, July 20, 2010)
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|I wanted to take a smaller Benedictine Liturgy of the Hours with me on my trip. This was perfect. Thank you. Best Uses: Travel Reading; Describe Yourself: Everyday Reader; Pros: Deserves Multiple Readings, Easy To Read, Informative


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In The Journal, July 21, page 192, appeared a current comment treating with the administration of human serum and advising caution in its administration. The article made reference to a recent California case that cost the life of a young boy. A footnote stated that the tragedy was occasioned by the incapability of the technician. I am the technician who prepared the serum, and in justice to yourself and to me I believe you should be advised of the outcome of the investigation that followed the death.A coroner's jury composed of reputable physicians from all parts of this county returned a verdict exonerating me from liability and attributing the contamination of the serum to undetermined causes. It is true that they recommended state supervision of all laboratories engaged in making serum, but they did not in any manner lay the blame for this most unfortunate happening
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- For the breakaway state, see Cheeselen.
|The Holy Wisconsinite Empire of Packerstan
|Official language
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|"Eat Cheese or Die!"
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The Holy Wisconsinite Empire of Packerstan, commonly known as Wisconsin, is a planet best known for football, dairy, cows, football, dairy, cheese, football, beer, football and obsessive, hopeless, half-ghost romantics. It has been runner up to Canada as "Worst Place In This or Indeed Any Dimension Seeing As How You Asked" every year since 1848.
Today Wisconsin is best known for being the third world country that Ben Affleck grew up in. Wisconsin is also the home to the that party George Bush is part of if you go north of the Madison-Milwaukee line.
The people of Wisconsin are known as "Cheeseheads." Their love of cheese and all things cheese-like pushes quite a few of them to maybe the corpulent side of large. So large that they have been confused with Manatees. Just to set the record straight, DNA testing has confirmed that Cheeseheads are not, in fact, related to Manatees, the blubber-laden residents of the state of Florida.
People from other lands will often try to feed lost Cheeseheads who leave their traditional grazing areas. This is considered highly inadvisable. Feeding Cheeseheads causes them to associate others with food and they will thereafter hang out on the street corner outside your favorite coffee shop and shake a little plastic cup with a little spare change in the bottom of it.
Even though Wisconsin's major cities seem to swarm with people, there are remarkably few native Cheeseheads left in the state. Their numbers have dwindled following a huge influx of people from Illinois, known as FIBs, who have taken over most of the cities and towns. It was a massive wave of FIBs that caused Door County to break off Wisconsin and fall into Lake Michigan. Illinois also successfully annexed Milwaukee after years of squatting.
Cheeseheads are most often found in taverns with a beer in one hand and a pickled egg in the other. You can find a tavern in Wisconsin wherever two roads intersect. A tavern is like a bar except it has no reasonable interior lighting, the beer is served tepid, there are no doors on the bathroom, the bartender lives in an apartment above the tavern, and the only cocktail served is Whiskey. You can also usually buy bait there. The word tavern is derived from the Greek "Slosh-hole," meaning dive bar, which was mispronounced "pork rind" by the early Polish settlers.
Political Leadership
Wisconsin has no political leadership. If this photo of the Governor (cf. the opening lines of a bawdy local folk ballad: "My name is Tom Thompson, / I govern Wisconsin") with the leading members of the state assembly doesn't explain why, nothing will.
It used to have some political leadership back in the days of "Fightin' Bob" LaFollette, but that was back in the 1620s or so, and nobody in state politics today has a backbone to speak of.
Nowadays, Wisconsin is run cooperatively by the Religious Leaders of Packerism and the Brewerite Brethren of Milwaukee. While the holidays of these groups come at different times of the year, the rituals are much the same. Most celebrations involve drinking beer and grilling various sausages in stadium parking lots.
Wisconsin is most famous for it's vast Cheesium mines. These mines used to be the World's largest Cheesium mine in the world, So huge that Wisconsin's motto is eat cheese or die. Ironically, a new Cheesium vein has been found in California, and has beaten the previous record once held by Wisconsin.
Many people mistakenly believe all cheese is made from fermenting milk, the way barbarians make it in other lands, but Wisconsin cheese is unique because it's quarried from cheesium mines. Cheesium was discovered by Eugene Ingqvist and his crack team of sandstone cutters who broke into the first vein of high-grade cheesium back in the late 1850's. Back then cheesium, like petroleum, was considered no more than a nuisance and left in the hot summer sun to rot and become manure which, as everybody knows, turns into cows, but Eugene's son, Gerdon "Stinky" Eugenesson, realized the potential for cheese as a food when he dropped his bologna sandwich in a rotting pile of it during lunch hour. Invoking the "ten-second rule" and blowing on it to get rid of cheesium germs, Stinky was first to realize that runny, warm cheesium has such a disgusting flavor that he could get suckers to pay an insane amount of money for it if he gave it a French-sounding name and sold it in a fancy box. He was worth millions by the end of the week.
The sources of cheesium have been running low in Wisconsin for many years. Quarries have closed and the really stinky cheesium miners haven't struck a truly delicious vein in decades, leading the cheese industry to desperate ends. The industry erupted in scandal in the late 1990's when commie-pinko left-wing Madison newspapers published the results of a study finding that human spleens contained trace amounts of cheesium, but it could be recovered and processed only when the spleen was messily removed with a chainsaw by psychopaths wearing hockey masks. The news media alleged that state congressmen in on the process were using it as a means to eliminate political opposition as well as make yummy food and create a long-running film franchise.
Plumber's Butt
Wisconsin is probably least well-known as the place where butt cleavage made its first appearance anywhere. Known as "plumber's butt" after it was invented by "Droopy-Drawer Bill" Johannsen, a Milwaukee plumber who specialized in the toilet snake and plunger, butt cleavage was almost exclusively displayed by old men who did a lot of manual labor, but in the last five years has become very chic and fashionable among young women from a variety of backgrounds.
Oh, if those Wacky Norwegians wearn't here we wouldn't have these!
Wisconsin is also noted for being the leading producer of the phrase "You betcha!". "Uffda" (A popular Norwegian curse, as well as a catchy tune from the Lawrence Welk show) is also a trademark export of Wisconsin. Up until 2004, Wisconsin had little or no imports, until some jerks decided to move the Miller Brewing Company headquarters from Wisconsin to some lame state that no one really cares about. Sadly, this means that the beer import for Wisconsin has skyrocketed, because it is a well-known fact that Wisconsinites without their Miller (and their slab of cheese to go with it) have an inability to cheer on the Packers, and in Wisconsin, that's punishable by death.
"Wisconsin Death Trip was an awesome movie! - So as Milwaukee, Minnesota!"
- For the past umpteen years, the Wisconsin Department of Tourism has run a successful advertising campaign centered around the slogan, "Wisconsin: Come smell our dairy air!"
- Chris Farley had his first fastball overdose at Marquette University, in the 7th floor women's bathroom in McCormick Hall, the all-freshman dorm and virgin vault.
- Orson Welles and Oscar Wilde used Wisconsin as a starting point for a race around the world. Needless to say, it ended elsewhere. We think somewhere in Canadia. Possibly Mexico. Either way, Orson Welles soon ran out of breath, giving Wilde a great lead.
- Wisconsin is the alter personality of the late state Baloneysconsin.
- Wisconsin Death Trip and Milwaukee, Minnesota are one of the best movies made in the state of Wisconsin.
- Wisconsinians do not like Illinoisans due to the snobbish and selfish nature of Illinoisans.
- In 2010, a corrupted governor from Illinois has smashed through the cheese gates and seized the Wisconsin State Capitol and the Wisconsin Legislation.
- In 2005 the nickname for the state was Wiisconsin due to its popularity of Nintendo Wii and exclusively, only Wisconsin residents were allowed to buy Nintendo Wii video game for $5,000 in their local appliance stores. But before the November 2006 launch date, Nintendo Wiis were confiscated along the state lines and airports when residents go out of state.
The most popular religions of Wisconsin include a variant of Catholicism called Friday Night Fish Fryism, and, most prominetly, Packerism.
Packerism is local religion founded by someone who could not distinguish dairy products from headgear. The main god of Packerism is the "The Great" Brett Favre, who was brutally sacked by the Metropolis Romans. After a three minute break for commercials, the Great Farve resurrected the drive and threw the ball into the end zone for the Holy Touchdown.
The Packerists dominate Wisconsin's religious landscape. One must always wear green and gold while in Wisconsin and bow towards Green Bay five times a day. Anyone caught wearing red and white is given a stern warning and allowed to pass with a sideways glance. Anyone caught wearing blue or orange is immediately exiled. Anyone caught wearing purple is executed on the spot.
Those with Blue and White are not despised, but felt sorry for. For there is no greater curse than to be a Lions Fan.
Packerism Rituals
- Ritualistic reenactments of the Holy Touchdown are held several times a year in a megachurch located in Green Bay, Wisconsin during the sacred Almost Winter and Winter seasons.
- Communion services are held throughout Wisconsin. Believers drink beer, representing the massive amounts of calories ingested by the Great Farve's loyal servants, the Offensive Linemen, and ingest bratwurst, a phallic symbol that represents the Great Machisity of the Great Favre.
Packerism Critics
Some say that Packerism was debunked by the philosophy of Vikingism in early 2005, when the philosopher Daunte Culpepperus vanquished the Great Favre in his own megachurch. However, the Packerists will always have unshakable faith in the Great Favre, even until he's 50 and wildly hurling the Sacred Pigskin to disciples of the future Chicago-Milwaukee Bears and the Duluth Vikings.
Packerists counter that the Great Favre bears the Mark of XXXI on his hand, bestowed during the Great Favre's Quest to New Orleans and that Daunte Culpepperus lacks any such markings. Packerists also take pride that the Great Favre has Three Commodations from the Order of Players Most Valuable and that Daunte Culpepperus has none.
However, in the Quest to San Diego, the Great Favre reignited his critics, including the then Vikingism philosophers Ionnes Randlus and Christos Carter, by his mediocre preaching to the Warriors of the Mile High City. Since that failure, the Great Favre has been unable to organize another Quest. Critics claim these facts prove that Great Favre is not a deity but rather the beneficiary of his offense. Packerists are offended by this claim and consider uttering anything about these facts to be heresy punishable by exile from Wisconsin, which, outside of the Packerism religion, is a blessing.
In Januray of 2004, the ethos of Packerism faltered under the hefty mass of former high priest Andy Reid in the Second Quest to New Orleans. Following this event, some followers of Packerism broke off to protest the ultraconservative dogma of then Master Priest Mike Sherman. This group became known as the "4th and 26 Faction", but order was restored when new Master Priest Mike McCarthy ascended his John Deere rider mower and shredded the teachings of former Master Priest Sherman, sacrificing the length of his neck in the process.
In 2007, the Packer's regained their hold over the Vikingists by pwning the crap out of them twice. Oddly enough, the otherwise ominous bears were able to bitch-slap the Packers. The Packers plan to retaliate by A) Beating the Bears in Sunday's game, or B) Bombing the Bears with swiss cheese. Brett Favre has also officially been declared "Football Jesus" by Wisconsites.
There are also critics of Packerism from the great Philosophical School of Bearism, but they have been the joke of the esoteric halls of the Confederation of Heavily Bruised Warriors for some time. Packerists and Vikingites will not deign to take them seriously, for they have been lacking a competent lead philosopher for years.
Then on August 18, 2009, the great Brett Favre, in battle with Theodore Thomson, had a vision of a North Star, the symbol of Minnesota and converted his entire family to the religion of Vikingism.
Like most other godforsaken places in the Midwest, Wisconsin has four seasons: Almost Winter, Winter, Still Winter and Road Construction.
Taking as long as eleven months and three weeks, winter dominates the calendar in Wisconsin. During winter the entire state is covered in a sheet of ice several miles thick. To get from their homes to the corner store to buy milk and some cheese, Cheeseheads drive their pickup trucks in the tunnels they hack through the ice. It was these holes in the ice which gave Wisconsin cheese magnate Eugene "Stinky" Onshoncomowoggon the idea for Swiss cheese.
Almost Winter, Still Winter
The Sunday before winter is locally known as Almost Winter. Temperatures hover in the forties, which is why Wisconsinites can still be seen in shorts and tank tops, trying to soak up the last little bit of Indian summer.
The Saturday after winter, when people are still chipping ice off the ends of their noses, is known as Still Winter.
Road Construction
The week from Monday to Friday between Almost Winter and Still Winter is the one week that Cheeseheads take off from work to go camping. It's also the week that construction crews throw up cone zones and dig up every major road from Kenosha to Superior, so everybody spends their vacation in traffic jams on the Interstate highways.
How to Tell If You Live in Wisconsin
If you consider it a sport to gather your food by drilling through 38 inches of ice and sitting there all day hoping that the food will swim by, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you're proud that your region makes the national news 96 nights each year because Park Falls is the coldest spot in the nation, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you have ever refused to buy something because it's "too pricey," you might live in Wisconsin.
If your local Dairy Queen is closed from November through March, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you instinctively walk like a penguin for five months out of the year, you might live in Wisconsin.
If someone in a store offers you assistance, and they don't work there, you might live in Wisconsin.
If your dad's suntan stops at a line curving around the middle of his forehead, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you may not have actually eaten it, but you have heard of Head Cheese, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you have worn shorts and a parka at the same time, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you have either a pet or a child named "Brett," you might live in Wisconsin.
If your town has an equal number of bars and churches, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you have had a lengthy telephone conversation with someone who dialed a wrong number, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you think California is dumb just beacause of their milk production, you might live in Wisconsin.
If you know how to say Ashwaubenon, Eau Claire, Waupaca, Shawano, Suamico, Oconomowoc, Waukesha. Wautoma, Menominee & Manitowoc, you might live in Wisconsin.
If every time you see moonlight on a lake, you think of a dancing bear, and you sing gently, "From the land of sky-blue waters,"....you might live in Wisconsin.
If you pick up free things at festivals and fairs just because they are free, you might live in Wisconsin.
1. Your idea of a traffic jam is ten cars waiting to pass a tractor on the highway.
2. "Vacation" means going up north past Hwy 8 for the weekend.
3. You measure distance in hours.
4. You know several people who have hit deer more than once.
5. You often switch from "heat" to "A/C" in the same day and back again.
6. Your whole family wears Packer Green to church on Sunday.
7 . You can drive 65 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard at night, without flinching.
8. You see people wearing camouflage at social events (including weddings and funerals).
9. You install security lights on your house and garage and leave both unlocked.
10. You think of the major food groups as beer, bratwurst, and cheese.
11. You carry jumper cables in your car and your wife or girlfriend knows how to use them.
12. There are 7 empty cars running in the parking lot at Mill's Fleet Farm at any given time.
13. You design your kid's Halloween costume to fit over a snowsuit.
14. Driving is better in the winter because the potholes are filled with snow.
15. You refer to the Packers as "we."
16. You know all 4 seasons: almost winter, winter, still winter and road construction.
17. You can identify a southern or eastern accent.
18. You have no problem pronouncing Lac Du Flambeau.
19. You consider Minneapolis exotic.
20. You know how to polka.
21. Your idea of creative landscaping is a statue of a deer next to your blue spruce.
22. You were unaware that there is a legal drinking age.
23. Down South to you means Illinois.
24. A brat is something you eat.
25. Your neighbor throws a party to celebrate his new pole shed.
26. You go out to fish fry every Friday.
27. Your 4th of July picnic was moved indoors due to frost.
28. You have more miles on your snow blower than your car.
29. You find minus twenty degrees "a little chilly."
30. Attend a High-School with less than 500 students, in the entire district.


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PARKERSBURG - A Thursday night house fire at 1344 Lynn St. is being investigated by the Parkersburg Fire Department.
Firefighters were dispatched to the house at about 9:30 p.m. Thursday. Capt. M.A. Kunselman said the fire was controlled in about 10 minutes with no injuries reported.
The cause of the fire had not been determined Thursday night. No one was in the house at the time of the fire, officials said.
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Parkersburg firefighters wait to enter a house located at 1344 Lynn St., after a late night fire caused considerable damage to the dwelling.
"There is visible damage," Kunselman said. "We aren't sure what started it yet."
Kunselman said the flames were in the front section of the house and coming out of the windows; there was heavy smoke in the area.
A fire earlier in the day forced the unidentified woman living in the home to stay with family.
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Honey do this
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Saturday morning the cave man's wife
First spoke the words to make a grown man cry
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Its a truth that you can get good deals at the thrift shop or at garage sales. Its also true that much of the time the best deals are pure luck and no certain thing. And it seems that you can never get what you wanted to get when you want it. But that that thing will come up for sale the minute you have decided you dont want it after all. Usually because you just spent full price for the same item.
I think thrift store bargins were a myth put on this earth by the shopping gods as a way to toy with we mere mortals. Naturally to promote the myth these shopping gods do allow the occassional "great deal". But in all its a bit like puting coins into a slot machine - the pay off can be worth it, but its the guyb right behind you that will hit the jack pot. :rofling:
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Cloak-and-dagger tactics unfair to targeted schools
Diocesan school officials displayed a cloak-and-dagger tactic in announcing school closings. Many Catholic schools held their breath until the ill-fated messenger arrived at 10 schools announcing their closing. Pastors were not given the courtesy of knowing before the gloom and doom arrived at their school's front door.
What voice did pastors, principals or parishioners have in determining whether their schools could maintain a viable, sound curriculum to meet the demands of a competitive market? Why were some schools targeted even though their enrollments were increasing over the last few years?
Diocesan officials claim demographics played a role in their decision. How do they explain that not one Catholic city elementary school was closed? They are hoping that the Bison Fund will be their salvation. Do they honestly believe, in light of these demographics, that enrollments will increase? The Bison Fund may provide funding, however, will it instill a sound Catholic education for these students or will it provide a mere escape from their current environment?
Thank you to all those parish schools that will be closed in June. I pray that the alternatives will be suitable to meet the needs of the 1,100-plus students who have been displaced.
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Cornerback Tarell Brown chose to remain in Texas for most of the offseason and conduct workouts focused on increasing his speed.
As a result, he quickly saw $2 million get away from him.
A league source confirmed a Yahoo! Sports report Thursday morning that Brown forfeited a $2 million escalator in his contract for failure to complete the 2013 offseason workout clause in his contract. As a result, his base salary for the upcoming season falls from $2.925 million to $925,000.
Brown, who reported to training camp Wednesday with all the other 49ers veterans, is also in line for a $500,000 roster bonus for the upcoming season. He will earn $31,250 for every game is among the 49ers' 46 active players during the regular season, a source said.
Brown's agent was not immediately available for comment.
Brown originally signed a five-year, $10.2 million extension in October of 2009 that was negotiated by agent Brian Overstreet. That dollar figure drops to $8.2 million with his failure to meet workout requirements. Brown also did not earn a $75,000 workout bonus.
Coach Jim Harbaugh did not seem too concerned during the offseason program with the absence of Brown or center Jonathan Goodwin, who trained in South Carolina.
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"(We) just really coach the guys that are here," Harbaugh said. "I think Jonathan has a lot of knowledge in the system. So does Tarell Brown. So the guys that are here those are the ones that you coach, and get ready to put them in the position to make the team. And fight for spots. So that's really where the focus is. So (I) can't say that I've thought much about how much that would affect someone that's not here."
A full-time starter the past two seasons, Brown started all 37 regular-season and playoff games over that period.
The 49ers are now $7.436 million under the salary cap.
Fired agent: CB Tarell Brown told reporters who cover the 49ers that he found out via Twitter on Thursday that he forfeited $2 million in salary for this season for not attending the 49ers' offseason workout program. After he learned his base salary was dropped to $925,000 in the final year of his contract, Brown told reporters that he immediately called his agent, Brian Overstreet, and fired him. With a good season, Brown figures to earn a nice contract for next season — and a nice commission for his new agent.


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Definition of tuque in English:
A close-fitting knitted stocking cap.
Example sentences
- Thomson was a city boy who had a thing for plaid flannel shirts, tuques, back bacon and fish frying in a skillet as well as booze from the bottle and long treks into the Great White North.
- A young guy wearing not a fedora nor a tuque but a backwards ball cap exits the front door with two giggling girls.
- Wear it with a thick, dark gray scarf, a matching tuque, and gloves.
Canadian French form of toque.
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Well.well it started back in 93 96 I was in the humble Bay uh the Humboldt Bay and I was really exhausted from Labor Ready Saul I had my back pack n of my sleeping bag and everything in the by the pier um about 2 blocks for I gots my my site I had a headache and I couldn't wait to go to sleep because I didn't get paid I got off from work too late to get my check so I was really upset well I got to my my my sleeping bag andso I the sleeping bag and I proceeded to go to sleep as I wasas I begin to go to sleep something told me instantly to look out of my sleeping bag and I didn't pay no mind because I figured I figured I had a long day I was tired I was cranky because I have any weed marijuana so I was very kind of cranky look up the sleeping bag hurt again look out your sleeping bag lookout a sleeping bag lookout a sleeping bag in a cap on going to look up the sleeping bag look up sleeping in the back to cap on going out listen to myself what's going on at the same time the voice kept going faster and faster the f*** and I'll open up took of the my sleeping bag lookout and I look toward the west right by the ocean and I seen it and it was just your fool sphere what is the bean flat it was like um you know how they say the UFO's of them are like a disconnect go up and down everything know it was like a disc that was not on the list and I like I like a el okay like I ok and um it was contracting retracting have to orange tail behind it might have been baby doll 1500 feet above me if not 2000 uh but its late to the closer now but anyways as you got to me about 11 o'clock degree we're looking at slow down and then again to stop has it stopped in the state map edition for about 35 seconds or whatever you could see was contracting retracting contracting retracted so fast that does the UFO's orange it was in the heat around your folks orange soda so I was going so fast as or shoot all around it was beautiful but anyways then it started after the 35 seconds whatever you decide to go and in speed up and take off just went very gently all the way to the east so I could not see no more and I was my last your phone counter who's my my best UFO incounter.
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Sixteen year old Andy has a tearful Sarah staying the night with him, while Rhea gets to tease everyone and Abi is asked out. This story is the eighth instalment of the "Growing Pains" universe.
Language: English
Written in: 2012
Published: 2012-06-19
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