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The US Ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed earlier today in an attack on the Consulate in Benghazi.
An armed mob attacked and set fire to the building in a protest against an amateur film deemed offensive to Islam's Prophet Muhammad, after similar protests in Egypt's capital.
The ambassador was paying a short visit to Benghazi when the consulate came under attack on Tuesday night, Al Jazeera's Suleiman El-Dressi reported from the eastern Libyan city.
He died of suffocation during the attack, along with two US security personnel who were accompanying him, security sources told Al Jazeera. Another consulate employee, whose nationality could not immediately be confirmed, was also killed.
Earlier in the attack, there was another Consular employee killed.
And in our Embassy in Cairo, protestors pulled down the American flag and replaced it with an Islamic one–reportedly an al Qaeda one. There were reports that Ayman al-Zawahiri's brother was involved in the Egyptian attack.
Note that Stevens was also the liaison with the Libyan National Transitional Council. This man helped Libya overthrow Moammar Qaddafi. Already, there have been a lot of condemnations of the killing from Libyans and other Arabs.
Details about both attacks are still coming out, and State is trying to play down the degree to which Salafists were involved in both. I'll be curious to learn whether the mob had reason to know Stevens was at the Consulate when they attacked.
Condolences to Stevens' family and the families of all of those killed in these attacks.
Washington's backing of Salafis on their quest to overthrow previously stable (or at least semi-stable) authoritarians in the Middle East will have significant blowback. This is just the first direct evidence.
Why are we so excited by the "Arab Spring"? And why do we so strongly support it – even against the dictators we own like Mubarak? Is it some failing/failed grand strategy? Is it kowtowing to the severe pro-Israel bend in our foreign policy and a program to destablize Israel's neighbors out of some sense of protecting that nation? Or are our current masters in the Administration so enthralled with the language of "democracy" and "progress" that they cannot understand that there are hundreds of years of culture still to change before any part of the Middle East can come to look like the West?
I prefer to believe we remain as always, foolish, naive and arrogant Americans. Blundering around the world supporting causes that sound good on the Sunday talk shows and believing they will earn some domestic votes come some November. The truth may be this simple.
Condolences to the families and friends of these patriots killed overseas. Their names will join a long list of others on the south wall of the State Department lobby. And others will go on that wall after them. So long as we are willing to act with impunity and arrogance globally, we cannot get upset when those acted upon react. Especially the salafis. And especially on 11 September.
According to an update at The Guardian, the attack in Benghazi started before the ambassador arrived on the scene.
Latest information from our correspondent in Libya is that the US ambassador, Chris Stevens, went to the consulate this morning to inspect the damage. His car was reportedly attacked, killing him and two bodyguards.
That was as of 50 minutes ago.
When is Islam going to mature sufficiently for scholars and religious leaders to readily condemn these violent responses to "criticism" of the Prophet? Oh, I forgot, we don't seem able to condemn the "Christian" zealots either.
Aren't the Marines guarding these embassies armed and where were the local security officials?
Note: one person who has not yet commented, AFAIK, is Egyptian President Morsi.
Libya's has though. QUite forcefully.
Seems like a very complicated process unfolding in the Middle East. Michael Hayden sure seemed pleased recently with how things are going. Whatever that means.
Link from The Guardian Blog:
Tragedy in Libya; Blake Hounshell; Foreign Policy; 9/12/11
Hounshell notes that the film at the centre of yesterday's attacks may have been obscure before, but it isn't now.
I wonder who would benefit from that?
From Marcy's link
The film was made by an Israeli filmmaker, Sam Bacile, who has gone into hiding.
The film was promoted by Morris Sadek, an extreme anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian campaigner who lives in California.
Speaking by phone to the Associated Press from an undisclosed location, writer and director Bacile remained defiant, maintaining that he intended his film to be a provocative political statement.
Bacile, 52, admitted he had not anticipated such a furious reaction to his film and said: "I feel sorry for the embassy. I am mad".
He also said the film was produced in English and that he did not know who had dubbed it in Arabic.
The full film has not been shown yet, he said, and he said he had declined distribution offers for now.
The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims", cost $5m to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile.
Sadek said that he had promoted the video on his website and on certain TV stations, which he did not identify.
And immediately "pro-gaddafi forces" are blamed. What an insult to the family of the dead. They serve in death as they did in life. In service of Machiavelli.
@harpie: Liz Cheney is also mentioned in the FP article.
Libyan Blowback; Craig Murray;9/12/12
[…] But part of the responsibility for these deaths lies with the US and Israeli far right activists who made a film insulting Islam, with precisely the intention of provoking a spiral of violence. There are many interest groups longing to promote a perpetual climate of war and fear; some of them, like these filmmakers, are easier to identify than others.[…]
Moon of Alabama suggests the film is just cover for revenge for our killing of Abu Yahya al-Libi.
And now there are reports of Salafist protests outside our embassy in Tunis.
Some background on and quotes from the film-maker here.
one cannot insult an idea or ideas
@emptywheel: Thanks for the Moon of Alabama link.
The film is being used by both sides to incite the rabble to riot.
I'm still reading the MoA linked speech by [former] Ambassador Chas W. Freeman, but so far it's quite interesting.
@greg brown: Yeah. Well, there's a discussion of that over at Murray's blog post. You can argue with his readers and [maybe] him about it over there.
More confirmation this is about al-Libi and not the movie, including from Bill Nelson, who's on SSCI.
@emptywheel: Will you add the info in an update? I'm curious to read what he has to say. Thanks.
this death is a tragedy for stephen's family and friends.
it is also a great loss for the united states – the loss of highly-trained talent in an area of the world where the united states badly needs such talent to help understand and shape events.
stephens had worked in the muslim world since serving as a peace corps volunteer. he spoke arabic and french.
miss wiki speaks:
Early life
Stevens was born and raised in Northern California, and graduated from Piedmont High School in 1978. He earned his undergraduate degree at the University of California, Berkeley, in 1982. From 1983 to 1985, he taught English as a Peace Corps volunteer in Morocco. He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) from the University of California, Hastings College of the Law in 1989. He later studied for a Master of Science (M.S.) from the National War College in 2010. He spoke Arabic and French.
Prior to joining the United States Foreign Service, he was an international trade lawyer based in Washington, D.C.[4]
Foreign Service
Stevens joined the United States Foreign Service in 1991. His previous overseas assignments included: Deputy Principal officer and Political Section Chief in Jerusalem; political officer in Damascus; consular/political officer in Cairo; and consular/economic officer in Riyadh. In Washington, Ambassador Stevens served as Director of the Office of Multilateral Nuclear and Security Affairs; Pearson Fellow with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee; special assistant to the Under Secretary for Political Affairs; Iran desk officer; and staff assistant in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs.
He served twice previously in Libya, as the Deputy Chief of Mission from 2007 to 2009 and as Special Representative to the National Transitional Council from March 2011 to November 2011 during the Libyan revolution. He arrived in Tripoli in May 2012 as the U.S. Ambassador to Libya.[4]
This comes via a commenter at Glenn Greenwalds column at the Guardian.
"The Attack on the US Consulate Was A Planned Terrorist Assault Against US and Libyan Interests"
I haven't heard of Quilliam before.
tx, harpie.
that was interesting and sounded credible.
(and greenwald's commentary on important aspects of this emotional topic was simply masterful).
@harpie: I was listening to BBC radio this morning as the story was breaking, and the [I thought Libyan] man-at-the-scene they were interviewing was spitting furious about the movie and the attack on the prophet. The British interviewer was at a loss for how an amateur youtube could cause such trouble, and the man being interviewed was so excited his words were tumbling over themselves as he switched voices from himself to his version of what the movie said – "I am speaking in English now…" Hasty, unpolished interview with interruptions, much different than the Quilliam you linked to:
The military assault against the US Consulate in Benghazi should not be seen as part of a protest against a low budget film which was insulting Islam – there were just a few peaceful protesters present at the event. Indeed, there have been no other demonstrations regarding this film in Libya.
(Was the interview I heard from Egypt maybe?) …though iirc the man agreed that the youtube was not worth the response it caused.
Heard in passing.
Thought some of you might be interested in this quote:
Obama on Libya attack: "Justice will be done"
"We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice will be done," Mr. Obama said from the White House rose garden. "Make no mistake, justice will be done."
The Quilliam Foundation is quite well known in the UK. It is an organisation containing ex-fundamental Muslims who have recanted, usually on becoming old enough to understand the World a little better. It is not anti Muslim as such.It sometimes walks a fine line between objectivity and anger, but after a shaky start deserves to be listened to, not least because its memebers often actually know of what they speak
Lots of Stevens' cables over at Wikileaks Cablegate site.
I thought this one highly ironic. Snippet:
(S/NF) Turbi partly attributed the fierce mindset in
Benghazi and Derna to the message preached by imams in eastern
Libyan mosques, which he said is markedly more radical than that
heard in other parts of the country…..
The most troubling and difficult aspect of Turbi's
account is the pride that many eastern Libyans, particularly
those in and around Derna, appear to take in the role their
native sons have played in the insurgency in Iraq. The reported
ability of radical imams to propagate messages urging support
for and participation in jihad despite GOL security
organizations' efforts suggests that claims by senior GOL
officials that the east is under control may be overstated.
Too bad that Stevens, no doubt a Department man who went along with US policy, got caught up having to support the very extremists he knew were problematic. It was the US policy of embracing Salafists that killed Stevens. Why does the US do this? Well both the US and Britain have done this for decades. It is part of the way the imperialists rule, by allying themselves with the most reactionary sectors of society, the better to control the toiling classes and keep them from organizing with a left program. Remember, (and he was not an Islamic zealot at all), the US backed Saddam and made him a made man when he showed he was willing to kill Communists and left-nationalists like Qassim. Or the alliances with fascistic groupings in Europe and Latin America, all in the name of anti-communism, or to destroy unions or land reform groups.
Play with fire, be prepared to be burned. That's what 9/11 was all about, btw.
This is worth reproducing in part, too. Another Libya Embassy cable, apparently not written by him, but which he had to have read, and which he classified:
TAGS: KISL [Islamic Issues], PTER [Terrorists and Terrorism], PREL [External Political Relations], PGOV [Internal Governmental Affairs], LY [Libya]
CLASSIFIED BY: Chris Stevens, DCM, Embassy Tripoli, State.
REASON: 1.4 (b), (d)
¶1. (C) Summary: Reaction to the November 3 announcement by
al-Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahri, that the Libyan
Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) had joined forces with al-Qaeda
(AQ) and was calling for the overthrow of Qadhafi's regime has
been relatively muted. The GOL has not yet issued a public
statement and its leadership is reportedly divided over the
wisdom of doing so. Regime insiders are concerned that the
LIFG/AQ announcement could presage a period of political
violence that could hurt their personal economic interests,
while the reaction of average Libyans has ranged from concern
about instability and adverse economic consequences to
enthusiasm for the merger. End summary….
(S/NF) By contrast with the elite, who viewed news of the
merger with concern, Elobeidi said "a significant number" of
Libyans welcomed the announcement. He cautioned against
interpreting such support as a sign that most Libyans are
fundamentalist Muslims or are sympathetic to the idea of
establishing an Islamic caliphate, although he conceded that
more conservative iterations of Islam were enjoying a resurgence
in Libya. Rather, the level of dissatisfaction with Qadhafi's
family and regime is such that some Libyans are willing to
support any alternative perceived to be viable in the hope that
the next regime will be less oppressive….
(C) Comment: Like many things in Libya, reaction to news of
the AQ-LIFG merger has been an exercise in slow-motion. While
regime insiders are predictably concerned, the more varied
reaction of average Libyans underscores the existence of a
certain degree of support for AQ-LIFG. The more difficult
question is the extent to which that support derives from
genuine affinity for an Islamist agenda as opposed to a desire
to be rid of Qadhafi's regime, whatever the cost. End comment.
tx for that info.
uk, i believe, has a relatively large muslim (commonwealth immigrant)population, does it not?
"We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice will be done. Make no mistake, justice will be done."-President Obama
OY! I really don't like the sound of that.
@chetnolian-Very helpful information. Thanks.
This is being characterized as a terrorist attack?
A U.S. source told CBS News investigative producer Pat Milton that authorities were "leaning" toward the theory that al Qaeda planned the attack and that the protest seems to have been a fortuitous coincidence for the militants. The fact that some of the attackers were armed with rockets and grenades is one of the factors leading to that initial conclusion.
Rogers told Jackson there was a "high likelihood" that the attack had an affiliation with "al Qaeda elements in Libya."
Wanis al-Sharef, a Libyan Interior Ministry official in Benghazi, said there had been threats that Islamic militants might try to take revenge for the death of al Qaeda's No. 2 commander Abu Yahya al-Libi, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan in June, and he said the U.S. consulate should have been better protected.
I'm confused because when victory was declared in Libya, Al Qaeda like flags were flown in Benghazi and there was no sign of any problem with that.
Military officials told CBS News an anti-terrorism team of U.S. Marines was being deployed to Libya to help secure U.S. interests in the country following the attack. The State Department said, however, that no Americans were remaining at the facility in Benghazi. State officials would not confirm how many Americans were evacuated, or to where.
Does anyone know which security firm the State Dept. uses in Libya? Is is a Blackwater company?
More info coming in and the details have changed considerably since the initial reports.
Thanks for keeping up with this, Joanneleon.
But Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), who received a preliminary briefing from U.S. officials on the attack,[…]
Our next Secretary of State?
Also chetnolian, I meant to bold your name, @28, to make sure you saw it. Sorry.
the washington post's editorial board and i agree for a change:
"J.CHRISTOPHER STEVENS, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, was a skilled and courageous diplomat who repeatedly placed himself at risk in order to support the cause of a democratic Libya. His death, along with those of three other Americans, during an attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday is a tragedy…"
on the provenance of that film:
Craig Murray on The Quilliam Foundation:
New Labour Corruption and Quilliam
My own view is that those who have adopted religous fanaticism – for whatever religion – display an absence of good judgement.
Ed Husain is by his own account a former religous extremist. He is one of the leaders among those who realised that, having tried to make a mark in the world through religious fanaticism, they can make more money and career progress by turning traitor on their former beliefs and colleagues, and jumping on the anti-Islamist gravy train.
Both the original fanaticism and the high profile and lucrative betrayal are evidence of a sociopathic character.
Husain is now a wealthy man. The government set him up in the Quilliam foundation and has thrown more than £1 million of taxpayers' money at it. He is in great and lucrative demand on the mainstream media.[…]
Well, that leaves no doubt about what he thinks. It seems threats of libel suits followed…
From his
response to a letter from one of the libel lawyers:
I refute your points entirely. My blog posts are part of a wider political debate surrounding the Quilliam Foundation Ltd. The view that Mr Husain has swung from one extremist view to the opposite has been very widely reported and deplored in blogs and on newspapers. Anyone who one year supports Islamic terrorism, and the next year supports the invasion of Iraq and the occupation of Afghanistan, cannot be fairly described as stable. Indeed the one thing both viewpoints have in common is a support for killing people for political ends.[…]
From a comment on a 6/8/11 post:
Speaking of 'Quilliam', note that Noman Benotman, originally the UK based 'top man' for the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), was appointed in 2010 as a Senior Analyst (Strategic Communications) at the Quilliam Foundation.
What a difference a week makes. Everyone is correctly outraged at this violent attack on US diplomats. Where is the diplomatic immunity? Mittens wants to go to war with other people's sons.
But the US and Britain were quite willing to violate diplomatic immunity to kill or capture Julian Assange. And most of these hypocrites in Dee Cee also supported that violation of international law.
To answer your earlier point, the UK does indeed have a large Muslim poulation, mainly from Pakistan but including many other ex Imperial origins. Not surprisingly the relationships between the UK and Pakistan (and other parts of the old Empire) are often close but confusing.
Craig Murray's views do represent a widely held view on Quilliam, especially Ed Hussein, but may not be any more balanced than theirs. There is a really strained divide among UK leftwing intellectuals, especially on the extent to which, in embracing multiculturalism, you find yourself accepting views from other cultures you would condemn in your own culture. I admit to being a bemused observer of this and at a loss as to the right answer.
We all love our freedom of speech, especially in the Free Speech cages. Anyone should have the right to make a film, if it is presented with honesty and art. That does not include the fake government Bin Laden videos. "Innocence of Muslims" is a fraud and a fake also. No freedom of speech for liars who are trying to create more wars.
The "producer" "Sam Bacile" is not a real person. The actors in the film claim that they were misled about the story and plot. And they repudiate this trash. Someone paid $5 million dollars to make this.
"The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose," 80 cast and crew members said in a statement to CNN. "We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred."
on the value of flexible thinking in our foreign policy:
It gets murkier and murkier. Apparently the cast and crew thought they were working on something about Egypt under the Romans, and the film (or at least the part of it that showed up on Youtube) was overdubbed (badly) to make it anti-Muslim. The alleged producer is a Copt, who has used several names, was apparently involved with that Qu'ran-burning minister in Florida, and somehow the video was put up and publicized in a way that got it seen primarily by North African Muslims.
(I'm smelling rats, but not anyone who is a terrorist in the DHS/FBI definition.)
@chetnolian: Thanks for that. It's difficult to find the right answers…maybe there are none.
The producer is an actual person (Nakoula Basseley Nakoula), just not who he claimed he was. AP says: 'Federal court papers said Nakoula's aliases included Nicola Bacily, Erwin Salameh and others.'
good lord! who could think this stuff up?
(well, stuff like it – any 20-something working for breitbart)
with the internet, any individual can be a player in foreign affairs – or domestic.
tx for this info, pj.


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Unknown Aircraft? That Won't Fly With Austria
If you're in an unknown aircraft and you're planning to drop in to Davos–or even glide over the Swiss Alpine resort taking advantage of the currents of hot air floating up from the annual gabfest–you can forget it. The Austrian air force won't let you.
As in past years, the Austrian air force is operating a no-fly zone over the meeting that will include its advanced Eurofighter aircraft. (Austria's pretty close as the crow flies from this part of southeast Switzerland.)
We know this because of a news release from Eurofighter.
"Eurofighter belonging to the Austrian Armed Forces will be used to secure the airspace during the World Economic Forum 2013 in Davos. As part of the airspace surveillance operation 'Daedalus 2013,' Eurofighter aircraft will ensure, as in previous years, that no unknown aircraft over Austrian territory can approach the conference in Switzerland," it said.
These aren't any old Eurofighters either, but Eurofighters that "have passed the planned upgrade program and were equipped with this performance-enhanced hardware and software." The planes "have the latest capability standard for Tranche 1 aircraft," Eurofighter said.
With no need to worry about attack from the air, delegates can concentrate on the greater threat–what's happening underfoot and avoiding the limb-crunching falls that injure dozens at this event every year.


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UPDATE: "The Flash" Hasn't Cast Savitar, Says Berlanti
TV, Comic Books
Every day in May we will reveal the greatest stories ever told starring a particular character or written/drawn by a particular creator (and throughout the month, you'll get daily chances to vote for NEXT week's lists). These lists are voted on by YOU, the reader!
Here is the list of characters/creators featured so far (along with the rules on how to vote).
Today's list is the Greatest Mark Millar Stories Ever Told!
15. Authority #22, 27-29 "Brave New World"
This was Millar's swan song on the Authority, as the United State Government makes its move against the Authority by practically wiping the team out and replacing them with THEIR version of the Authority. Luckily, the Authority is more resilient than that, and they make a dramatic comeback. Frank Quitely, Art Adams and Gary Erskine drew the storyline.
14. 1985
In this mini-series with art by the amazing Tommy Lee Edwards, Millar tells the tale of a boy in the "real world" in 1985 who discovers that a portal has been opened between the "real" world and the Marvel Universe of 1985 (black costumed Spider-Man, leg warmers Dazzler, etc.). Misadventures abound as the boy and his father try to save the day.
13. Ultimate X-men #1-6 "The Tomorrow People"
The Kubert brothers join Millar in the opening arc of the Ultimate X-Men title, as Millar began a sustained and highly popular run on the title with this story, which introduced the world to Ultimate Wolverine, just in time for an epic battle between Magneto and Professor X.
12. Civil War
Millar turned the entire Marvel Universe up on end in this blockbuster mini-series that pitted hero against hero as a "Superhuman Registration Act" is passed after a tragic accident involving a superhero group. Steve McNiven drew the series which dramatically altered the Marvel Universe for years.
11. Authority #17-20 "Earth Inferno"
In his second arc on the Authority, Millar pitted the team against the Earth itself! You see, a mad scientist has turned the Earth into basically a weapon against humanity – the Earth is, in effect, rejecting the "parasites" who are "feeding off" of its body. Chris Weston and Frank Quitely drew the story.
10. Chosen
What if Jesus returned – but as a fairly typical American teenager? Millar and artist Peter Gross explore that idea in this mini-series that involves a teen boy who appears to have all the powers of Jesus Christ. This is apparently going to have a sequel soon.
9. Authority #13-16 "Nativity"
In his first storyline on the Authority, paired with soon-to-be-star artist Frank Quitely, Millar made a major splash by the Authority determining that they were going to right the wrongs of the world FOR the world. This was a bold gambit, and not one that everyone took kindly to, particularly Jacob Krigstein, an elderly genius who pits his personal heroes against the Authority (Krigstein is basically Jack Kirby, and the heroes he sends after the Authority are all pastiches of famous Marvel characters).
8. Wanted
In this mini-series, done with artwork by JG Jones, Millar shows what happens when an "ordinary" man discovers that he is the heir to one of the most powerful supervillains in the world. As our "hero" descends into the secretive world of supervillainy, things get more and more out of hand as twists and turns begin to pile about all around him.
7. Wolverine #66-72, Wolverine: Old Man Logan Giant-Size #1 "Old Man Logan"
Millar teamed up again with his Civil War artist, Steve McNiven, to do this dark and fanciful story of Logan (formerly Wolverine) living in a terrible future where super-villains have basically won and then divied up the country. After assaulting some people he really ought not to have, Logan is willing to agree to go on a bit of a "Smokey and the Bandit" trip with Hawkeye in the Spider-Mobile. To say that their journey is bizarre and more than a little sad is not saying too much.
6. Kick-Ass
Working with John Romita Jr on art, Millar crafts a tale of a teenager in the "real world" who decides to become a superhero. Hilarity ensues, but so, too, does some heavy duty violence and real dangerous repercussions to the young hero's seemingly poorly thought out battle plans as a superhero.
5. Wolverine #20-31 "Enemy of the State"
You could split this up in Enemy of the State and Agent of Shield, but Marvel has released the whole thing as "Enemy of the State" and the first "part" ends in a pretty significant cliffhanger that I'm willing to go with it as a one story (and that's how almost all of the voters voted for it, as one story). In any event, John Romita Jr. was the artist for this storyline that involved Wolverine being murdered and ressurected by the Hand as a super-villain who led a group of HAND villains as they killed OTHER heroes and resurrected THEM as villains, as well. When Wolverine's rage takes him all the way to the X-Men's doorsteps, Wolverine is finally rescued and once free of the Hand brainwashing, he dedicates his life to killing all of the bad guys behind this plot.
4. Ultimates #7-13 "Homeland Security"
The original Ultimates series, however, is two distinct storylines. #1-6 has a beginning, a middle, an end AND an epilogue! Then the next story begins, which ties in with some of the stuff from the first story, but is not a direct continuation in the least. In "Homeland Security," the Ultimates learn that an alien race has been infiltrating Earth for decades and now the Ultimates are going to go up against their most difficult threat yet – can they manage to pull it off without the power of the Mighty Thor? Probably not, and in fact, they might need the assistance of the Incredible Hulk, as well! Bryan Hitch drew this epic action tale that introduced the "shadow" Ultimates team of Black Widow, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (the latter two who seem to have WAY too close of a relationship for a brother and sister).
3. Ultimates 2
People convinced me that Ultimates 2 is really one long story, so here it is, as Bryan Hitch and Millar tell the tale of how the Ultimates become SO effective as a tool of the United States government that other nations begin to formulate a counter to them, and when their plan springs into action, the Ultimates cannot even trust each other as the whole operation collapses around them and as the United States of America is stolen right out from underneath their noses! And is Loki involved or is he not? And who of the Ultimates is a traitor? All these questions answered and more in this 13-part saga!
2. Ultimates #1-6 "Super Human"
This initial six-part story introduced the world to Millar and artist Bryan Hitch's envisioning of the 21st Century superhero. Their take on superheroics proved to be highly influential on the "real" Marvel Universe, particularly Hitch's realistic art style and the widescreen heroics (that predated Ultimates, of course, as Hitch himself had already done it for Authority AND JLA, but he further popularized it here). Besides launching a popular animated film series, this story also more or less formed the basis for the upcoming series of Avengers live action films.
1. Superman: Red Son
Artists Dave Johnson and Kilian Plunkett joined Millar in depicting a world where, instead of Smallville, baby Kal-El landed in the Ukraine during Stalin's reign in the Soviet Union. Naturally, the world is a much different place in the present and Millar explores these differences extremely well (alongside some brilliant character designs by the always wonderful Dave Johnson) in this prestige-format mini-series that was so popular that DC Comics put out a series of toys based on it! This was Millar's last significant comic work for DC Comics, and one of his best (Millar had a strong run early in his career writing the comic book tie-in to the Superman Animated Series and Millar clearly has a great affinity for the character of Superman).
That's the list! I'm sure there is a lot of agreement and disagreement with the list out there! Feel free to share your thoughts in the comments section!
And please vote for the lists that are still up for grabs here!
I'm glad that ENEMY OF THE STATE is ont there, but as and FYI his last Wolvie issue, #32, was a 1-shot that may be the best single issue MIllar's ever written. And there's a great text piece about Will Eisner in the back too.
Too bad the list didn't include Millar's brilliant run on Swamp Thing—co-written with Grant Morrison for issues 140-143, and then he wrote it solo from 144 to the final issue, 171 (this was the conclusion of the second Swamp Thing series, which, of course, featured Alan Moore's legendary run). Millar's amazing storyline concluded with Swampy taking command of all of Earth's elements and deciding the human race should be exterminated for its sins against nature. If the actual ending was a little hokey, getting there was a wonderful, horrific journey.
red son was good but it was a knock-off. whether millar realized it or not, he got the story from planet of the apes. compare the two and the time paradox is exactly the same.
Wow below ?….. For me, Mark Millar is a author who has distinct strengths (staging of spectacle action scenes, high concept) and distinct weaknesses (being excessive for the sake of being excessive, narrative cohesion).
was a book that highlighted his strengths. But, for me, is a book in which Millar really overcame his weaknesses. It really does not feel like a Millar book because it does not have his "ticks" in it.
While I am not a huge Millar fan (I hated Civil War and Wanted), he did write some good books, and is the crown jewel of his career.
Oh the title I was talking about it my post above is Marvel 1985. Some tag problem…. I think Marvel 1985 is Millar's best work I have read so far
Wow, no Flash, Swamp Thing, Superman Adventures, or JLA? I'm surprised at least some of his early stuff didn't make it. "River Run" in Swamp Thing was great.
yes, his Swamp Thing run was fantastic. A more innocent Millar if you will, before he got all w*nkfestish, as is the case with almost all his current work.
Joe: The time paradox is more a footnote than anything else. (And I know no one will believe this, but I actually thought of that ending when I was a kid, and then I was told it was scientifically impossible. I couldn't believe it when I read it.)
I blame Mark Miller for almost singlehandedly turning comics into an R&D division for Hollywood, much, much, much moreso than it ever was before. The few comics I've read on this list support my point, with the exception of Superman: Red Son.
I hate Enemy of the State with a passion. It's everything I dislike about Wolverine as a character and nothing I like about him. Undead revenge fantasy on a large scale that completely ignores that the center of Wolverine's character, the worthwhile stuff, the stuff with heart, is his humanity and restraint.
Actuallly I hate most of this list with a passion and really don't like the rest. I don't mind Red Son so much but Millar writing about Superman is so much better than Millar writing about characters he didn't idolize as a kid (namely all the others).
He's never written anything better than his Superman Adventures run and he never, ever, ever will. It's impossible. He had creative restrictions then that made him use his imagination and actually come up with stuff. Now he not only can take the easiest most LCD solutions possible for every problem, but he's rewarded for it by the readers. It annoys me because he has the talent to do more but knows it's actually not in his interest to do it and Millar is so good at doing what's in his interest.
I don't think I hate any comics more than Authority 13-16 though. That's my least favorite story ever. I'm not big on censorship or anything but I just don't need to see Captain America raping someone in the butt on Jack Kirby's orders just to make some sort of point. Actually, what was the point of that again?
Apparently, 1985 is supposed to have taken place primarily in the Kick Ass universe.
Also, boo for leaving out Aztek.
Matt D: I agree completely. I was at a seminar a couple of weeks ago where a local creator was trying to get some kids to read some comics, and he said he had to think about what Avengers stories to recommend. Some asshat came out and said "The Ultimates."
Just not a fan.
I haven't read much of this list. I sometimes love Millar (Superman: Red Son) and sometimes dislike it (Wanted). I think he does too many things over the top. I don't know why that didn't bother me so much with Red Son, but I really enjoyed Red Son, in fact it is one of my favorite comic books.
Red Son was not that good
otherwise – the list was pretty good. I think Wolverine Agent of SHIELD was much better than Old Man Logan
I'd argue that Millar's creative nadir was his non-Ultimate Fantastic Four run, which even Millar fans don't seem to defend much. He's been giving diminishing returns since the first half of Ultimates 2, IMHO, with each subsequent project having less and less reason to exist. Yeah, I include Kick-Ass, which plenty of people will now leap to defend; I've tried it and I just don't see much to it beyond 1986-vintage superhero deconstruction filtered through Millar's now-trademark adolescent obsessions.
Red Son is quite clever, and while the ending may have Been Morrison's suggestion — and was also Siegel and Shuster's first idea for Superman's backstory — Millar does an excellent job of positioning it in the rest of the story so that his Luthor wins *and* loses in one stroke.
I was under the impression that Grant Morrison had significantly contributed to Millar's "Authority run". There is no way in Hell someone as dim as Millar could have come up with a concept like "religimon".
Certainly, the concepts looming in/around his Authority run are a big part of it's success as a series. On the other hand, those "widescreen" action scenes contribute just as much or more to what made Authority a great series.
Those poo-pooing the Ultimates are just haters. Come on, that gatefold in ultimates 2 was insane.
Red Sun a bit overrated IMO. would put the best authority stuff, Enemy of the State, and all of ultimates above it.
His Authority run is a guilty pleasure. Not great comics work, but better than I'd expect from him. Red Son was really well done. Everything else I've read from this list was awful. I mean, Kick Ass and Old Man Logan? Really?
Millar is an intelligent and creative writer, who, more often than not, manages to come up with entertaining stories. What I dislike most about his writing are the more outrageous plot elements as well as the numerous and superfluous pop cultural references, as most of the time they come across as akward instead of enhancing the story. He's not as aware of cultural trends as he believes himself to be, or rather, he lacks the restraint to present them in a compelling fashion. Those who doubt his ability to craft intelligent comic book tales, though, look no further than The Ultimates volumes 1 & 2. The evolution that the team goes through and where they end up by the end of volume 2 makes complete sense, and is a great commentary on the ending of Civil War.
I've only liked Red Son and Civil War from this list. Everything else is either incredibly overrated (Ultimates, Authority) or just plain shit (Old Man Logan, Kick-Ass).
Actually his Spider-man run wasn't too bad, either.
CF: That entire issue with Religimom was ghost-written by Grant Morrison. Notice how the writing is suddenly full of wit and verve and the characters don't all speak in trashy, rude run-on sentences. Also, nobody gets turned into a chicken and raped by hillbillies, like in the issue after that.
Who keeps buying this shit?
I love Enemy of the State. It's a good fun adventure taking in large ammounts of the Marvel Universe.
Any comments on Old Man Logan ? I've not read and the trade is coming soon ….
People have opinions about Mark Millar.
@Davey Boy Smith: I like both volumes of Ultimates, but I would call them highly entertaining rather than intelligent. That to me was his best comics work and I still had issues with it, particularly with the fact that all the characters were obnoxious as hell. His Captain America was a mindless thug.
I do think that Mark Millar is a good writer, and I actually defended his writing during Civil War. But after that everything he released got dumber and dumber. Today I have no doubt that he stopped giving a shit about his comics. Why put any effort in them when they still are best-sellers and get made into movies no matter how bad they are?
Also, I agree with the general sentiment that Old Man Logan and Kick Ass don't belong here. But his Superman Adventures run does.
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Mark Millar's ideal reader would be a 15-year old male full of adolescent rage and obsessed with coolness.
Sometimes I'm in the mood to indulge my inner 15-year old, and then I can enjoy Millar. Other times, not so much.
A lot of Millar's older stuff I don't count because it's more Morrison than Millar. I thought 1985 was lame, and I think Old Man Logan should have been #1.
regardless of whether i like it, i at least think most of the stuff on this list can be defended in some form or another… but old man logan is the worst comic story i've ever read. first of all, it's a complete rip off of clint eastwood's "unforgiven," just transplanted into the age of apocalypse/hulk: future imperfect universe, so there's no creativity whatsoever. and second of all, it just spends a few hundred pages indulging in the worst stereotypes people have of comics. there's no emotion, characterization, or interesting dialogue to speak of, just giant bombastic pictures of obscene violence disguised as "coolness." anyone that actually cares about comics as a medium should hate old man logan on principle.
Ultimate X-men was desperately trying too hard. He peaked with Ultimates, 'American Jesus' and Civil War (with some near-misses in there like Wolverine, Spidey and others). Then, Kick-Ass, 1985, Ultimate Avengers and now Nemesis tell me he doesn't give a s*** anymore.
A lot of Millar's stuff, especially in the Ultimates universe, just reads like a Michael Bay flick to me, but I did like Red Son.
River Run and Trial By Fire were both really talented pieces of writing that had an edge of nastiness that bothered me. (Though I loved the fact that River Run was a journey through the pre-Crisis multiverse at a time when DC was absolutely religiously never mentioning that there had ever been such a thing.) Of course, that's been Millar's trademark ever since. I find Wanted a very guilty pleasure, but it's got so much energy to it that it carries me along as a awful piece of demented guilty pleasure. (And I've never looked at Clayface the same again.) And I could get caught up in The Authority in the same way.
I think how I end up with Millar is: when he's doing pastiche of superheroes in some other universe with other characters– however thinly veiled the references are– I can go along for the ride. But when he's doing the same kind of thing in-universe (even, as with River Run, when it's fictional-in-universe) or using characters who don't have even a thin veil of disguise over them (Red Son, Ultimates– same characters albeit on other earths), the obnoxious edge bothers me too much to enjoy it.
@ Jeff I demand proof and footnotes and sources cited!
Like HELL Civil War is a great story. Do you know how many holes it has? The main scene, between Steve and Hill in #1 that sets everything up? Is 2 different parts of 2 ENTIRELY different conversations. Frankly, I think Millar is a hack. He can write Ultimates, but any other version the the Marvel characters he gets his hands on ends up being written as Ultimate versions of the characters. This is unacceptable. There is next to nothing redeeming about this author.
Regarding "Red Sun":
besides providing the ending, did Morrison do anything else?
"CF: That entire issue with Religimom was ghost-written by Grant Morrison. Notice how the writing is suddenly full of wit and verve and the characters don't all speak in trashy, rude run-on sentences. Also, nobody gets turned into a chicken and raped by hillbillies, like in the issue after that.
Who keeps buying this shit?"
People who enjoy his work
A better question is, who keeps coming in a Millar thread if they hate Millar??
"Regarding "Red Sun":
besides providing the ending, did Morrison do anything else?"
not really. The book was OK – but just another bland, generic Elseworlds story.
What, no "Trouble"?
I'm pretty happy with all these suggestions. I loved Red Son so that definitely deserved the #1 spot. I must say, though, it would've been nice if Ultimates 1 was included as one so a spot could've been opened for something else. Personally, I enjoyed his Marvel Knights Spider-Man run, too.
I love Millar's work. I can't think of a single story on that list that I didn't enjoyed in some way. I like the "widescreen style of his narration. I also have to defend his handling of mainstream characters. I have a hard time thinking of ANY writer that does not make the charatcer their own in some way, and Millar is no exception.
I regret that he is such a polarizing writer, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. Attacking his fans however is pure ignorance. I hate Loeb's work with a burning passion, but I would not think of characterizing his fans negatively based purely on their love of his writing.
I do regret that his MK Spider-Man run was not on here. I enjoyed it very much.
Matt D:
I think you are extremely right about Millar doing his best work on characters he idolized as a kid. That explains why his Spider-Man run was good, as well as his Superman Adventures. I never thought of it that way. It's funny that people voted for his flashy, character-deprived blockbusters over his actual good, lower-selling work though (Superman Adventures, Spider-Man, Aztek, Swamp Thing, Flash… I could go on, but basically anything he did under the tutelage of Morrison).
By the way, I actually liked his FF run for the first 8 issues. Then it just SSSLLOOOOOOOOWWED down ridiculously and the fill-in writing was unbelievably bad. I was pleasantly surprised by the finale, though. Another example of Millar actually caring about the characters – particularly Reed, and making him far more relatable, less of a wimp, and less of a cheesy super-brain.
P.S. Although I guess all those traits were effectively established by Waid and then bulldozed over by Millar in Civil War anyway. At least he restored them.
His run on SUPERMAN ADVENTURES is probably the best thing he's written. Followed by ULTIMATES 2 and then KICK-ASS.
Civil War? Really? After Clor it went downhill fast. Such potential wasted. I've never read his Authority or Swamp Thing, and completely forgot about Red Son. Here was my list:
1. The Ultimates: Homeland Security: This, to me, is the perfect "widescreen" super-hero epic. Here we have huge alien warships, big explosions, and also some great character work. The Captain America/Giant Man fight is still one of my favorites.
2. Wolverine: Prisoner Number Zero (Wolverine #32, right after Enemy of the State): This story is much more intimate than most of Millar's work. It would have been my #1, but I feel that Homeland Security gets points for being the best he's done (that I've read) in his normal style. This is an amazing, moody story, and one of the best "Wolverine from someone else's POV stories".
3. Wolverine: Old Man Logan: This story was just balls to the wall fun. I love distopic future stories, and this Mad Max homage is one of my favorites.
4. Ultimates 2: Gods and Monsters: I didn't think it would be OK to vote for Ultimates 2 as one entity, so I separated it not realizing no one else did. This is, to me the better half. The Hulk "execution" and funeral were amazingly emotional, and the Thor fight was also just cool.
5. The Ultimates: Super Human: A great "getting the band together" kind of story.
6. Ultimate X-Men: Return of the King: The finale of Millar's run was one of my favorite Magneto stories. The only reason it didn't make my Magneto stop ten was because I feel that Ultimate Magneto is too different a character to split the list between them.
7. Ultimate Fantastic Four: President Thor: This alternate universe, time travel tale is one of my favorite Thing stories, and an immensely underrated tale, not even getting the title on the TPB it's collected in along with Frightful. Ben as the only normal human left on Earth is a really cool take on the character, and his actions show a lot about why The Thing is such a great and selfless hero.
8. Ultimate X-Men: Return to Weapon X: I really enjoy Weapon X/Wolverine's past stories, and this was a good one. Millar's takes on Rogue and Nightcrawler were well done, and in general it was just really well handled.
9. Ultimate X-Men: The Tomorrow People: The introduction of the Ultimate X-Men was a good story, just not quite as good as the one right after it.
10. Ultimates 2: Grand Theft America: I really enjoyed this story, but I think it's hurt by it's Deus ex Valhalla ending.
I never got the impression that the various Marvel pastiches from Millar's Nativity story were meant to resemble the original Kirby characters outside of their power and skill sets and costume elements. Of the few who appear on panel long enough for us to get a sense of their characters, they have no personality traits in common.
Actually, I quite like Millar's run on The Authority. While the violence and dialogue was often gratuitous, there were some interesting subversions of genre-conventions: A villain defeated by a sudden experience of compassion, another threat ended when the big-bad accepts an invitation to join the good-guys, et cetera. I also think it was good that Millar was trying to address the human rights abuses that were going on in the world at the time he was writing: genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape as a military strategy, et cetera.
It's funny to see some series that so many people moaned about, like Old Man Logan and Wanted, get into the top ten. I didn't like Wanted at all, personally, but it just goes to show you how little the people who actually SPEAK on the internet really factor into the majority opinion. Maybe that's how it should be.
Still, I'm so glad Red Son made it to #1. Greatest Superman story ever told, bar none.
I was surprised to not see UFF "Crossover" in the top 15, given that it led to the whole Marvel Zombies phenomenon. And, frankly, it was very well plotted and characterized; in fact, his entire 12-issue run w/Greg Land was notable for density of plot.
"Greatest Superman story ever told, bar none."
Wha—bu–na—I—pf—spu—-ckkk——-ffffffffuuuuuuuu—how the—-who——I don't even——my g—–well. Huh.
Knew that was gonna bust a few circuits somewhere
Still, it is a belief that I hold.
How did his Marvel Knights Spider-Man run not make it onto this list?
Red Son is extremely overrated. The only reason people think it's good is because when you compare it to all the other Superman stories since Alan Moore left DC proper, it shines like a bar of gold in a sea of turds. Red Son is just the least suckiest Superman story.
I'm interested in Chosen…what did you all think of it? I'd like to see what Millar can do when he's not just deconstructing superhero genre tropes.
It should be noted that the "obnoxious" ultimate characters are often way less obnoxious than their golden and silver age counterparts. Superman used to torture his friends to teach them lessons like "Don't litter" or "Try to be less nosy." Hippie Thor, a Cap that genuinely feels like he's trying to make the jump from 1940s attitudes to the present day, swagger-y rich drunk Iron Man, who all still manage to come together and risk their lives to save the world are all much more accurately the spirtual descendents of the new flawed hero of silver age Marvel than the perfect Christ-figure that some fans seem to want, and that gets represented well in the blandest Superman stories.
Wolverine #32 was a fantastic story, one of the best by Millar. Unfortunatly most people only remember Enemy of the state, which also was good but nothing like #32.
The only problem I have with one of these storylines is "Enemy of the State." Does anybody remember that the idea to have Wolverine killed and then resurrected as a master assassin of the hand was an idea that Chris Claremont discarded in the late 80's? Just an observation.
I have enjoyed some of Millar's work (Ultimates, Enemy of the State in particular). While some of his current stuff has come across as more than a little smug and self indulgent (Kick-Ass and especially Nemesis) his stories are rarely boring and damn if he doesn't have a way with cliffhangers that make you want to come back issue after issue.
Dave –
I agree. But then again, ULTIMATES is one of the few Millar stories that I really liked. I think the classic Avengers really lend themselves well to deconstruction.
I'm gonna be tremendously laughed off, but The Unfunnies deserved a high place on the list.
-Runs into hiding-.
Like John pointed out, Millar's "Enemy of the State" storyline was a straight up rip off of Claremont's rejected "Dark Wolverine" storyline from the late 80's/early 90's. Of course Millar denies ever hearing anything about CC's "Dark Wolverine" story.
Old Man Logan was pure fanboy and therefore one of the worst stories I have ever read. Red Son, however, is one of the greatest. I do love Millar….
Dr. Fleming: Count me as one laughing. The Unfunnies was not only one of the worst comics Millar has ever written, it's one of the worst comics EVER, period. I guess that's a fairly impressive achievement?
Old Man Logan started off fun, then turned awful. The level of violence toward the end was too extreme, without ever being enjoyable in n over the top way. It was just depressing.
Red Son was good, I think I had it at #2, but my favorite Superman stories of the last few years were Secret Identity and All-Star Superman. Both were well-plotted and heartfelt, whereas Red Son was just entertaining. Nothing wrong with that.
When I saw this category I asked myself, "are there actually ten good Mark Millar stories? In fact, is there even one?" This list answered the question for me. No, there are not.
" Like John pointed out, Millar's "Enemy of the State" storyline was a straight up rip off of Claremont's rejected "Dark Wolverine" storyline from the late 80's/early 90's. Of course Millar denies ever hearing anything about CC's "Dark Wolverine" story. "
How can it be a rip off of a story that was never written? Intentionally or not, Millar took an idea that Claremont submit in a work-for-hire job and never actually used. Without execution, comparisons between the two are meaningless.
I'm very pleased to se Red Son as number One
I loved Enemy Of The State because it was balls to the wall nonstop mayhem. Wolverine using frickin' Sentinels to stomp mutants was just priceless. I enjoyed Kickass too for what it was -better than the movie at least- but a big part of that was me being a huge Romita Jr fan.
His Ultimate FF run with Land was pretty good too, particularly the first and last parts with the Zombie FF and Doom. I havent read much else that Millar's done tho, mainly because the previews rarely intrigue me enough to buy them.
Does Civil War really count as a Millar story? It was made up of a bunch of editorial decisions made by Quesada and Co to push forward the Marvel's agenda, that Millar then had to assemble into one coherent narrative, which he did only partially successfully. He accomplished what he was set up to do but a lot of it was an awful mess.
I know many hated it, particularly Spidey fans, but my favorite work that I've read of his is still his Marvel Knights: Spider-man run. I too am surprised it didn't even rate a spot in this poll..
I think Mark Millar is extremely over-rated. Civil War was nothing short of embarrassing. It was over-hyped nonsense where the characters were portrayed however the writer wanted them to be. He clearly didn't have the capability to write the story he proposed and now whenever a person reads Iron Man they have to read about a guy who got people killed and perhaps the same for Captain American. These aren't heroes, they don't even resemble their own characters in many cases. It has led to years of non-resolutions and message board messages of 'why don't they explain this' or 'that doesn't make sense'. Now everyone is suppsosed to be happy again. People were promised big things, now they're promised that there will never be proper explanations and 'everythings fine'.
Still waiting for that Unmasking story.
What a disaster.
There is a large amount of Millar's body of work that I have little interest in ever reading. Only a few appear on this list.
Red Son is probably my favorite Superman story of all times. I really enjoyed it.
i think it's safe to say that mark millar is the nickelback of comic writing: widely loved by the idiotic masses for his banal and easily digestible hackwork, widely hated by the intelligent majority that values things like "artistry."
How can it be a rip off of a story that was never written? Intentionally or not, Millar took an idea that Claremont submit in a work-for-hire job and never actually used. Without execution, comparisons between the two are meaningless.
Because so several of the elements that CC talked about in detail in an interview published several years before "ENEMY OF THE STATE" was published, happened in EOTS.
Wolverine getting killed CHECK
Wolverine being resurrected by the Hand CHECK
Wolverine becoming a mind controlled agent of the Hand CHECK
Wolverine fighting the other MU heroes in his own book and theirs CHECK
It's still a ripoff of another creator's idea, regardless if CC submitted his idea for work for hire or not. This is SOP for an over rated writer like Millar. NEMESIS,CIVIL WAR,and KICK-ASS are all unoriginal ideas that Millar has falsely claimed to be his original ideas.
He is the best writer of this decade. All his stories are my favorite. Eons better than the pervert Grant Morrison which is high on concepts and low on story content. Morrison just sucks. Millar rocks.
Blade X:
Neither of those ideas are staggering in their creativity. I find it completely plausible that two people could come up with them independently.
Which is exactly what Millar said was the case, that it was a coincidence. And while obviously we really can't explicitly prove it one way or the other, I tend to believe him, as it's both realistic that he (nor his Editor Axel Alonso, nor pretty much everyone else on staff, as there were basically two holdovers from Marvel from the time Claremont was planning to do his story, and neither of them worked in the X-Offices) did not know about the unpublished story idea of Claremont's and I don't think it would be that big of a deal if he did base it on the unused idea of Claremont, so I don't see him particularly gaining much by lying.
Yeah, and hadn't Elektra's arc pretty much established (in the eighties, no less) that the Hand, an admittedly evil organization, could bring people back from the dead? It seems weird to assume that applying that to Wolverine, a man with ties to the Hand and Marvel's second or third most popular character, is a totally unique idea that no two people could have thought of independently.
Howard's Turn:
Too bad the list didn't include Millar's brilliant run on Swamp Thing—co-written with Grant Morrison for issues 140-143, and then he wrote it solo from 144 to the final issue, 171 (this was the conclusion of the second Swamp Thing series, which, of course, featured Alan Moore's legendary run). Millar's amazing storyline concluded with Swampy taking command of all of Earth's elements and deciding the human race should be exterminated for its sins against nature. If the actual ending was a little hokey, getting there was a wonderful, horrific journey.
I absolutely agree. There is some nut on the Bleeding Cool forums though who is convinced that Mark Millar's Swamp Thing run was a DELIBERATE attempt to sabotage the title.
People have opinions about Mark Millar.
third man:
i think it's safe to say that mark millar is the nickelback of comic writing: widely loved by the idiotic masses for his banal and easily digestible hackwork, widely hated by the intelligent majority that values things like "artistry."
When you're trying to set your self up as being intellectually superior it helps to use capital letters.
Oh and my votes:
1 – Superman: Red Son (1)
2 – Ultimates (2 – Super Human, 4 – Homeland Security)
3 – The Authority – The Nativity (9)
4 – Ultimates II (3)
5 – Swamp Thing: Swamp Dog
6 – Ultimate X-Men: The Tomorrow People (13)
7 – Big Dave
8 – Swamp Thing: River Wild
9 – Wanted (8)
10 – The Chosen (10)
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The extreme Miller hate cracks me up.
I think it has more to do with the massive amounts of attention he has been receiving in the last few years moreso that the books he is putting out.
What I am saying is basically that people seem to turn against anything they feel gets to much Hype.
Overall I think the list is pretty solid. I have greatly enjoyed a majority of those books and feel that Miller actually introduced some great concepts.
In Ultimates, he just took what either already existed about a character (Pyms personality, Caps complete dislike for the modern world) Or things he felt should BE a part of the character like (Hawkeye being a black ops agent)
CIVIL WAR which was really just a blatently topical play on our recent political outlook did a good job of throwing things into disarray.
Kick Ass – I felt it played out what it would be like for some shlub to decide to play superhero.
His Wolverine stories overall fit the character very well.
1985 – To any haters, Sorry but this book is a love letter to comics fans. Who hasn't ever imagined what it would be like to be able to enter the world that our favorite characters exist in or what would happen if they were in our world.
Chosen had a great twist ending that was in no way telegraphed.
I am pretty positive that if millar didn't get the Hollywood attention that he is getting, that he would be looked upon better by many fans.
An example that works is AVATAR the film. It was superhyped. Built up like no film before it. Yes it delivered a solid (if unoriginal in basic structure) adventure with great Ideas and some emotionally gripping moments (the destruction of old tree) Yet because of the hype, people immediately went in with their little notebooks trying desperately to find anything they could term negative about it just to tear it down.
The best they could come up with were Ferngully comments and Cameron is a Tree hugger(which I never understood what was so bad about caring about the environment we live in)
All of the negatives did not have an affect on the film, because the vast majority of the people (not the vocal minority) found the film to be a great escape from reality and dumped tons of money into it.
The internet has made this worse between the instant information and instant feedback. Usually the most vocal responders are the most negative.
Just read this thread to see that.
So, in the end, I feel that Millar is one of the better and more consistent writers in comics. Not the best and not even close. But he is definitely one of the top ones.
Well "Red Son" was interesting to read. Tough something was off. Cant explain it further. It just wasnt clicking the way it could have…The rest of Millar i wont touch. All very much drivel.
Anyway, "All Star Superman" completely blows it out of the water.
I really don't know how to put into words what I want to say about Civil War but, the sides Cap and Stark were on made sense. I could just never see either character saying the things they said the way they were written in Civil War. Something about ALL of the dialogue seemed off.
I enjoyed the Punisher parts though.
I think jjc has something there. Even in Millar stories that I do enjoy, I often find that the dialogue often seems extremely out of character in cases where the characters had been previously well established by other writers.
I have the same problem with Civil War. The characters were just shoehorned in to fit an agenda. There's still a lot of fans who can't stand Tony Stark or Reed Richards because of it. They should hate Millar, not the characters.
Which is exactly what Millar said was the case, that it was a coincidence. And while obviously we really can't explicitly prove it one way or the other, I tend to believe him, as it's both realistic that he (nor his Editor Axel Alonso, nor pretty much everyone else on staff, as there were basically two holdovers from Marvel from the time Claremont was planning to do his story, and neither of them worked in the X-Offices) did not know about the unpublished story idea of Claremont's and I don't think it would be that big of a deal if he did base it on the unused idea of Claremont, so I don't see him particularly gaining much by lying.
Well considering the fact that Claremont has publicly talked about his "Dark Wolverine" story a couple of times in interviews several years before Millar's "Enemy of the State" it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that Millar or Alonso (or some other Marvel staffer) read those interviews and got the idea for "Enemy of the State" from CC's "Dark Wolverine" story. Which is NOT to say that this is indeed what happened. Like you said, we have no way of proving it either way.
Of course, we do know that Millar has been known to either stretch the truth or out right lie, in the past.
I'm glad "Red Son" was #1.
I enjoyed the Punisher parts though.
Those were the best bits in Civil War (much as I normally hate seeing Frank in spandex)
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Surely one of the most over-rated writers in comics. He hasn't half the wit, style or imagination of those whose shadow he so clearly stands in. Jupiter's Legacy is undoubtedly the most boring re-hash of superhero tropes yet committed to the market, and a waste of Quitely's talent.
Oh, and the man is making a tidy living out of glorifying mindless violence (while, strangely, denying that he does so). Kick Ass? A comic for morons.
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NEW MADRID -- The New Madrid County Central softball team is no stranger to winning. Coming off of a 17-0 season, the Lady Eagles have perfection in mind once again as they enter the 2011 season.
"Just like every season, we go into it trying to go undefeated and win as many games as possible," NMCC coach Steve Rogers said. "We have seven starters coming back with one of the better pitchers in the area and we feel we have another good chance to make another good run at it."
NMCC has won 27 games in-a-row and are chasing the school record of 50-consecutive wins. A major part of their push is pitcher Kelly Robey. The senior, who has signed to play softball at Union University in Jackson, Tenn., was 15-0 last season and has helped lead the Lady Eagles to a 44-4 record the last three seasons.
"Our goal is to go undefeated again," Robey said. "My sister had two undefeated seasons and that's what my goal is for our team this year."
Robey has dominated area hitters for the last three years, compiling a 38-3 record. In 92 innings last year she struck out 227 batters with a 65 mph fastball that is equivalent to a 95 mph fastball in baseball. She also throws a curveball that breaks close to two feet as well.
"In my mind she's the premiere player in the area," Rogers said. "Teams know when she is on the hill they are going up against the best so we get everybody's 'A' game and that's the way we like it. We've got to play our best."
Robey will facing a couple changes this year, the first being the pitching distance moved back to 43 feet from 40 feet.
"Kelly's been throwing summer ball for the last two years from 43 feet so it's not going to be a big adjustment," Rogers said. "The girls who had trouble throwing strikes from 40 feet are going to have even more trouble throwing them from 43."
The senior pitcher will also be throwing to a different catcher, as her previous catcher, Shelby Lawrence, graduated last spring. However, Rogers said sophomore Nikki Martin has stepped right into the roll.
"(Nikki) caught all summer and is doing a real good job handling Kelly," Rogers said. "She's catching her every day and we are expecting her to shoulder the load. I think she will step up and do a good job for us."
Robey said she has been pleased with how Martin has played so far.
"She is actually doing really good," Robey said. "Better than what anybody expected because she hadn't caught me very much, but we are very proud of Nikki right now."
Backing up Robey will be sophomore Michaela Townsend, who saw action last year as a freshman and is expected to see time on the mound this year.
Offensively, Robey will anchor a lineup that is made up of fellow seniors Samantha Hunter and Courtney Masterson along with a wealth of younger talent.
"Dallas Campbell, who started for us as a freshman last year, hit over .400 and we are expecting big things out of her again this year," Rogers said. "Meredith Stanley had a good year for us as a freshman and she'll be our starting first baseman as a sophomore and we are expecting big things out of Sara Ash who played some in left field last year.
"We feel like we are going to have a better offensive team than we did last year because of the experience and our good speed. We've been blessed with girls that can run and like to steal bases and with the mound being moved back three feet it should enhance our basestealing even more."
NMCC also has a group of freshman coming in that will be counted on to fill roles while building for the future.
"The reason I think we are good is we are always building next year's team this year," Rogers said. "The hardest thing about this is making the team. Once you've made the team, you are going to get into some games."
And once you are on the team, Robey said it becomes like a family.
"(Playing softball at NMCC) has been the best thing that has probably ever happened to me," Robey said. "Both my sisters played here and it feels like home here. When I go and play for anybody else I am playing for just another team, but here I feel like I am playing with a family."
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Shortly before 3:00 pm on April 11, 2013, William Lawrence, a freshman from Belmont, NC was crossing Highway 421 from main campus when he was struck by a charter bus. The driver of the bus told authorities he attempted to stop, but was unable to do so. Lawrence was transported by ambulance to Wake Med hospital in Raleigh where he underwent surgery for his injuries.
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I am deeply saddend to hear about this awful incident. William and all of the family will keep you in prayer. I'm the wife of one of your cousins that lives in Charlotte, NC and heard about this through a family member. Please let me know if there is anything I can do. Take care.
Sharon G. Lawrence and Family
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Prayers to William Lawrence and his family, and God be with him through his surgery.
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Prayers going out to William, his family, his friends, and the Campbell family. Hope his surgeries go well and hope he makes a full recovery.Keeping him in my thoughts and prayers.
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Prayers lifted for this student and his family.
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NEW YORK (AP) � Philanthropists Bill and Melinda Gates pitched an optimistic future for the world�s poor and sick in their annual letter Tuesday, arguing passionately against three myths they say hurt efforts to bring people out of poverty, save lives and improve living conditions.
In their sixth yearly letter, which in the past has focused exclusively on the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation�s annual activities, the co-chairmen of the world�s largest charitable foundation seek to dispel false notions that poor countries are doomed to stay poor, that foreign aid is wasteful and that saving lives will cause overpopulation.
�All three reflect a dim view of the future, one that says the world isn�t improving but staying poor and sick, and getting overcrowded,� Bill Gates writes in the 16-page letter. �We�re going to make the opposite case, that the world is getting better, and that in two decades it will be better still.�
Gates says GDP per capita figures, adjusted for inflation to 2005 dollars, show that many countries such as China, India, Brazil and even Botswana that were once considered poor now have growing economies.
And in Africa, a place the Microsoft co-founder says is all too often dismissed as hopeless, life expectancy has risen since the 1960s despite the HIV epidemic. Also, more children are going to school and fewer people are hungry.
�I am optimistic enough about this that I am willing to make a prediction,� he said. �By 2035, there will be almost no poor countries left in the world.�
Gates also argues against claims that foreign aid is wasteful because it is too expensive, because it is stolen by corrupt officials receiving it or because countries who receive it become dependent on it.
He says that in Norway, the world�s most generous donor of foreign aid, the amount of its budget that goes to foreign aid is only 3 percent. In the U.S., it�s less than 1 percent, or about $30 billion per year, of which $11 billion goes to vaccines, bed nets and other health causes.
Measles vaccinations, eradicating smallpox, controlling tuberculosis in China and a plan to eliminate polio in Latin America are all public health efforts achieved with aid funding.
�Health aid is a phenomenal investment,� he writes. �When I look at how many fewer children are dying than 30 years ago, and how many people are living longer and healthier lives, I get quite optimistic about the future.�
His wife, Melinda, wrote a section of the letter dispelling the myth that saving lives worldwide will lead to overpopulation. She points to countries such as Brazil where both child mortality and birth rates have declined.
When more children survive, she says, parents have smaller families.
�The planet does not thrive when the sickest are allowed to die off, but rather when they are able to improve their lives,� she says. �Human beings are not machines. We don�t reproduce mindlessly. We make decisions based on the circumstances we face.�
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Mark Kent (there is no such thing as intellectual property)
William Poaster (Yes man of the year. AKA Arkady Duntov)
Homer (a clone of Roy, only not a thief)
Roy Culley (Robert Parsonage and a slew of other nyms).
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Organizers of La Jolla High's e-waste drive shared a "big thank you" with everyone who dropped off their e-waste at the third annual drive on Feb 19 at La Jolla High. This year they collected over 26,000 pounds and received revenue for the PTA .
A portion of the funds will be used by the THUGS club (Tree Huggers Utilizing Green Resources) led by president Tracy Warren, a junior, and science teacher Howard Tenenbaum.
This year e-waste was supported and driven by the student energy of Interact, THUGS, and ASB clubs. Ryan Mann, a junior, coordinated the THUGS and ASB clubs into the e-waste drive promotion and volunteer assistance, while juniors Tom Wheeler and Kevin Riley, Interact members, helped with e-waste for their third year in a row.
Over 23 students worked at LJHS collecting, sorting and receiving e-waste during a seven-hour period.
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i got couple of bits for matalan for my little girl.
and just got a top for my sisters baby thats due in september its amechanic one and his dad is mechanice so thort it was very fitting and at only £2.50
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oh i am one of those next addicts who go down there at 4-5 in the mornin to get all the good stuff LOL
everything i buy for the kids is from there even down to my youngest sons nursery set meanin cot quilt and mobile his rug i mean everything LOL i am obsessed with the shop
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Its definately worth popping in to your local Tesco as i bought 2 packs of 7 sleepsuites/vests for £3.50 each pack that were originally £7 each i know bargin, i was drawn to the baby clothes section and there they were right at the front - those instincts never let you down.
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The Foo Fighters up the ante in the ice bucket challenge by posting a dramatic 3 minute video that pays homage to the scary movie "Carrie."
In the video, Dave Grohl gets doused with icy, cold water in a scene that is reminiscent of the prom scene in the Stephen King film when the character is hit with pigs blood. Grohl challenges King, Jack Black and John Travolta before donning a prom-queen tiara during his creative spin on the ALS ice bucket challenge. The challenge program has gone viral over the last several weeks.
Foo Fighter's Taylor Hawkins being hit by the bucket carrying the ice water could be connected to several of the ice bucket challenges that have gone wrong.
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morning ladies!! Nutty and faye- i cant imagine what your going through, but like the ladies said, try and get as much rest as possible, maybe hormones flucturating (cant spell). I am feeling very bloated and contipated but otherwise really good... and hungry, so always a good sign. slight amount of spotting but otherwise i cant complain, awaiting the phone call around mid-day to see how many eggs were mature and fertilised, so slightly nervous. I hope everyone else is ok.
gilly- hows the stims going?
i dont know why but i had an overwhelming urge to clean clean clean today, when i woke up properly that urge soon went lol
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Fx MrsS, hope u don't have to wait long.
Claire hope the brown stops and as the other girls being saying hope it just the side effects from drugs.
Faye really hope u r ok and getting some rest.
Stimms going ok, feeling a little but crampy like u would around ov and starting to get some ewcm hope it's signs that responding ok.
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keeping you updated! had our phone call, collected 14 eggs (not 12) 9 mature, and 5 made it and fertilised normally! so we currently have 5 little embies!! provisionally transfer on monday, (or wed) but im relieved some made it (so far)... xxx
Does anyone know the likely hood now of them ALL getting to day 3 or 5? im worried we may end up with none? xxx
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ok well im hoping to day 5 as apparently more likely to implant better, but i kinda just want them in me so i know they wont arrest and i end up with none! i think this is the most nerve racking bit for us! i dont think ive seen my hubby as nervous as he was today fingers crossed x
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I think Nat is the one to ask about that Anna I havent got a clue as I never took any of that.
Yeh Im okay still much the same situation so all we can do is cross our fingers and hope for the best. I'm a great believer in whats meant to be will be so we shall see. 12 days until scan (if we make that far obviously without miscarrying)
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