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You called it, J.
I thought an uneventful 12-rounder was possible too but I had hopes for at least a few dramatic moments where either man was wobbled or dropped, and I really thought Klitschko would try to close the show late in the fight. No such luck because neither man was really willing to commit to doing serious damage.
What we were "treated" to was a very civil boxing contest between two intelligent, financially secure, business-savvy European heavyweights, and boxing to merely win on points obviously favored the taller, rangier, more-technically sound fighter, which was Klitschko. It did not favor Haye or the fans who were hoping the fight would at least live to some of the pre-fight hype and rancor between the fighters.
You know what I was thinking during the late rounds of Klitschko-Haye? "Thank God, I'll be ringside for Brandon Rios-Urbano Antillon next Saturday."
The Rios-Antillon lightweight showdown will make me forget all about what went down in Hamburg, Germany, last Saturday.
Hi Dougie,
Um, how should I put this? HELL-to-the-NO!
Which do you think was the more egregious case of not backing up the trash talk, David Haye against Wladimir Klitschko, or James Toney against Randy Couture? Granted, Toney at least had the excuse of being a complete novice facing a former champion. Did Haye have any better excuses to offer in the aftermath of Saturday's defeat than his toe hurt?
Does Haye have any future in the heavyweight division if he decides not to retire in October?
As for Wlad, what does he do now that the biggest event of his career has come and gone, with absolutely nobody clamoring for more? Who can he possibly fight at this point? Povetkin? — gopal rao
Toney stepped into the cage to fight an MMA legend and got CTFO ("Choked The you-know-what Out"). He didn't make any excuses that I can recall afterward. So, definitely Haye's safety first tactics throughout Saturday's overly tactical 12 rounder was the more egregious case of not backing up trash talk.
I don't think there's any comparison between the two. Toney talked trash about Couture for a few months. And their bout was viewed as a sideshow. There was no title on the line in that match. It wasn't even the main event of the UFC PPV. Haye's been talking pure doo-doo about both Klitschko brothers for a few years and when he finally stepped into the ring with one of them it was a huge event with the heavyweight championship of the world up for grabs. And what did he do? He laid big ole stank egg.
Does Haye have a future in the heavyweight division? Yes, as long as he stays the hell away from the Klitschkos. Honestly, I'd like to see him drop back down to 200 pounds and add some excitement to that division. Haye's a legitimate one-punch KO artist at cruiserweight and can make for fun fights there. If he stays at heavyweight, he should take on an aggressive high-ranking big man, such as Chris Arreola or Alexander Povetkin. If he doesn't plan to do that, he might as well retire while his body is fresh and he's mentally sharp. He'd probably make a great commentator.
As for Wladdy, I think he and Povetkin would be a decent fight. The Russian is a come-forward fighter with a good jab and busy offense. What I really like about Povetkin is his body attack. I think that's a key to beating both Klitschkos.
Mr. Fischer,
I believe Big George once said that boxing is like jazz – the better it is, the less it's appreciated. Well, I didn't appreciate that fight; does that mean the sweet science was on full display?! I guess I could be considered a hardcore fan, but I feel tremendous guilt about my suspicions that tomorrow's Wimbledon final will be more exciting than the 'most anticipated heavyweight fight since Lewis-Tyson or Lewis-Vitali Klitschko.' — BK, High Point, NC
I think you have every right be disgusted by the efforts that Klitschko and Haye put forth in their heavyweight championship bout. Overly tactical, uneventful high-profile bouts like Klitschko-Haye are one of the main reasons the heavyweight championship is no longer "the biggest prize in sports."
Yes, both men trained hard and you better believe it takes a hell of a lot of courage step into the ring, which is exactly why Klitschko and Haye needed to do more! Why the hell are these guys training so hard and for so long if they're not going to let their damn hands go come fight time? They dishonored great heavyweight champs of the past who showed true courage by risking everything in great fights by not taking more chances on Saturday.
We put prize fighters on a pedestal because they take risks normal people would not. To "fight" in the manner Klitschko and Haye did is akin to NASCAR racers driving 70 miles per hour in the Daytona 500 or NFL players playing "tag" or "touch" football in the damn Super Bowl. If there's no risk of injury in these type of sports, what makes the athletes so special? And why the f__k are they making so much money?
Thank God,for Rios-Antillon. Two real fighters who will engage in a real fight.
What's up Dougie,
I just want to say, as a huge boxing fan, I appreciate the Klitschko brothers and their talent. I mean, historically, how many fighters have dominated with a simple one-two (left jab, straight right) in their arsenal? Haye is lucky Wlad wasn't throwing upper cuts, you feel me? You and I know the reason, the intangibles; footwork, head movement, and solid defense. The guys are poster boys for boxing fundamentals!
Plus, you gotta love the smack talk Wlad hit Haye with before the fight. Talking about giving him therapy and making him a better human being by way of whoop ass!
I don't think anybody is beating these boys anytime soon, which means the next real heavyweight champ will be crowned after they retire. What do you think Dougie? — Miguel, LBC
I agree. The next universally recognized heavyweight champ will come around after both K-Brothers have retired. I have no idea who that heavyweight will be, but I haven't given up on Chris Arreola. If he keeps his weight down and maintains his current activity level (his off-TV fight against Friday Ahunanya this Saturday will be his fourth bout of 2011) I think his bandwagon will begin to fill up again by this time next year (provided, of course, that he continues to win and look sharp doing so).
I wasn't that impressed with Wladdy's brand of trash talk going into the Haye fight. It was decent but anyone could tell that it really wasn't his cup of tea. Haye is much better at it. Too bad he couldn't back it up.
The Klitschkos are indeed poster boys for boxing fundamentals. There aren't many boxers who can dominate a division with just the jab and straight right (along with good footwork). The last two heavyweights to do it were Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes, two all-time greats.
However, the Klitschko brothers are also the poster boys for uneventful fights, and although they get the job done against the top contenders of this era (usually in one-sided fashion), I don't get the sense that I'm looking at an all-time great when they do it. I couldn't help but think how basic Wladimir looked against Haye or how lucky he was to be in with such an incomplete fighter while watching the 12-round rout on Saturday.
What a complete waste of time watching Haye embarrass the sport of boxing on Saturday. I know this would never happen, but he doesn't deserve to collect what he made on this fight. He perpetrated a massive fraud on boxing with his performance yesterday and there should be some accountability. They should have withheld his purse and at least make him sweat it out a little for being such a chump, big mouth fraud.
I'm still having a hard time believing he was the betting favorite in England. Man the Brits must really love the David Haye kool-aid. God bless them!!!
Out!!! — Juan 'West Coast' Alvarado
British fight fans are simply hardcore, Juan. They're no different from Mexican or Puerto Rican fans. They love boxing, they have a strong respect for it's history, and they support their own.
While I agree that Haye needed to go for broke in order to have any hope of winning the fight, and in failing to do so helped make Saturday's showdown "a complete waste of time" as you put it, I don't agree that the former beltholder's purse should be withheld just for laying an egg.
For starters, it was his big mouth and constant taunting over the years that built the fight into a "must-see" "mega-grudgematch." Haye has a gift for gab. Talking s__t is just part of who he is as a competitor. I don't think he meant to sell the boxing public a bill of goods with his bold proclamations and predictions leading into the fight. I think Haye really believed that he had the talent and power to cold-cock Klitschko, but once he got into the ring with the giant athletic technician he discovered what all of Wladdy's recent opposition found out: it's MUCH easier to talk about it than to do it.
Haye didn't go for broke, guns blazing with the intent to slay the dragon or go down swinging, but I think he tried his best, which for him on that night was to survive until the final bell.
Hiya Dougie,
1) Haye lost easy on my scorecard, as he did on every other rational scorecard on Earth. That being said, he put up more of a non-fight than any other recent Wlad opponent except maybe Tony Thompson. I mean, he landed several good overhand rights, bloodied Wlad's nose (which went unreported by HBO), cut him under the left eye, buckled his knees in the 12th, and jabbed to surprising effect. This leads me to my second point…
2) Haye only has himself to blame for the loss. I mean, Wlad looked awful, in my opinion. He never fully established his jab, he missed way too many punches, and he was reaching for Haye throughout, as taller fighters are not supposed to do. This means that Haye should have simply thrown more: more overhand rights, more jabs (again, he jabbed effectively, just far too seldom!), and more combinations. In fact, he didn't throw a single combination that I can remember. He was reduced to pot-shotting, with diminishing results as the fight wore on. He should have also tried to slip Wlad's mediocre (for his own lofty standards) jab and tried to take the fight to him inside, which he was unwilling to do. Which brings me to my next point…
3) Haye didn't throw so few punches because he was "scared" or "afraid" to engage Wlad out of fear, or because he had already cashed his ridiculous 50/50-split check, or much less because his toe was broken. He never fully-engaged Wlad because of the same reason every other smallish Heavyweight (note that Thompson is larger than, say, Haye or Peter or Chambers) failed to engage him: it's impossible to consistently out-jab and land straight rights against a gigantic Heavyweight with a freakishly long and active jab who also happens to fight very tall. Which is why, again, all Haye could do was land the odd pot-shot or two. How do you land combinations against someone with such a high height advantage, particularly if you're not slipping his jab? Haye did about as well as I expected him to, to be fair. My only frustration is that, given that Wlad did have kind of an off-night, he had as good a chance as he could ever hope for, and he didn't capitalize and thus maximize his chances.
All in all, the fight was boring, yes, but it did have the danger element of two chinny guys who can punch maybe landing the one punch it would take. That factor alone took it out of Sven Ottke/Felix Sturm territory. I also want to pre-empt the inevitable mainstream media garbage coming from the mouths of lazy and sloppy journalists like the two stooges from PTI by asking how it is that they can lament that boxing is supposedly not what it was in the early 1980's and point to the state of the Heavyweight division as evidence, when the Heavyweight division was a heaping pile of crap in the early 1980's. I mean, didn't we have Duran-Hagler-Leonard-Hearns-Benítez in the early 1980's, for crying out loud?? Boxing does not "need" the Heavyweight division. It just needs the fights that need to be made to be made, and that's exactly what's been happening for the past years, yesterday's fight (good or bad) or Bradley-Alexander included. I am happy and optimistic about the state of our sport, and look forward to enjoying Mayweather-Ortiz, Mares-Agbeko, Ward-Froch, Rios-Antillon, Khan-Judah, etc. this year alone, with many more to follow afterwards, and reading about them in both your magazine and your website.
Thank you for putting up with these rants, Dougie. — Carlos R. Pastrana, San Juan, PR
You were long winded, Carlos (so, you did not avoid sounding like Merchant), but you made a lot of sense and some valid points.
I agree that boxing doesn't need an exciting heavyweight division as long as good fights between good lighter-weight fighters are being made. We've got at least two excellent matchups to look forward to beginning this month through December. And, hey, ya never know, Klitschko-Adamek might be one of them.
I thought Klitschko-Haye was interesting through the first five or six rounds because of the perceived element that either man could be knocked out (or at least legitimately knocked down) but it became sadly evident that neither man had any real interest in taking a big enough risk to actually gun for a KO.
I'll reply to your "counterpoints" in the order you posed them:
1) Haye did indeed land several overhand rights (which bloodied Klitschko's nose and produced a small mouse under his left eye). However, I think Haye lost some of his confidence when those hard shots failed to rock Wladdy down to this boots as he thought they would.
2) I agree that Klitschko looked awful. He was only slightly sharper and more effective than Nikolay Valuev was against Haye. He pawed with his jab all night and leaned forward a lot. I'd say his timing and accuracy was off, but I think Haye's head and upper-body movement had a lot to do with that. I don't think Haye was "reduced" to pot-shotting. That's all Haye ever does, regardless of who he's fighting. He's not a combination puncher. His stance and style doesn't allow for it. The man is totally off balance ever time he launches one of trademark haymakers.
3) I disagree that it's "impossible to consistently out-jab and land straight rights against a gigantic Heavyweight with a freakishly long and active jab who also happens to fight very tall." It's very difficult, however shorter (but MUCH better) fighters with less reach than Haye were able to do it. Check out Mike Tyson's fights with Tyrell Biggs, Pinklon Thomas and Razor Ruddock; or Joe Frazier's late stoppage of Buster Mathis or his classic trilogy with Muhammad Ali. I'm not saying the two squat hall of famers did not have trouble with the jabs of the taller, rangier boxers, but they dealt with it and were able to get their own jabs off.
I give Haye credit for promoting the fight and getting fans finally interested in a heavyweight fight, but he completely ruined it with his lack of performance. I give Wladimir all the credit in the world. He's a come a long way. He came to fight and followed his game plan. I would have liked to see a KO, but he did what he needed to do. He's really perfected his style and I'm really not sure where he goes from here. Not too much competition out there besides his brother which will never happen. The only significant fight would be against Adamek if by some miracle Adamek beats Vitali?
I'm getting excited about Khan-Judah. I'd like to see Zab win. I don't know about you, but I think Khan is extremely overrated. Not sure if Judah is the guy to make people realize it, but I hope so. I can't believe Roach says and thinks Khan will be rated number one pound for pound. Roach is my favorite trainer, but I hope he was just promoting his fighter and not serious. Thoughts on this and where does Klitchko go from here? — Michael
If Roach says Khan will be the pound-for-pound king one day he probably means it. He believes Khan can beat Floyd Mayweather, which might do it for the British star, but the young titleholder has to get by Judah before he can even think about Money May.
I think Khan is a damn good fighter with elite-level talent. However, he's not untouchable and his chin can definitely be dented with a good shot. I think Judah can knock him out if he's at his absolute best. We'll see what happens. I'm also looking forward to this fight.
I think Wladimir has other significant matches on the horizon beyond Adamek (should the Polish hero upset Big Bro in September). I'd be very interested in title defenses against Alexander Povetkin, Chris Arreola (if he keeps winning and looking sharp through 2011), and Robert Helenius (after a few more fights).
I can't disagree with your thoughts on Haye. Perhaps retirement after a farewell fight in October and then a switch to full-time promoting is what's best for the former cruiserweight champ and heavyweight beltholder.


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Police storm suburban home to 'rescue' baby after call from bank
- From: news.com.au
- November 07, 2012
- NAB collections department calls at 6.30pm
- Family with screaming baby say it's not a convenient time
- Argument unfolds over the phone
- Ten minutes later three police arrive in bulletproof vests
ARMED police stormed a suburban home to 'rescue' a baby after a phone call with the National Australia Bank went wrong.
Adrian Everett says his two children were scared "s***less" and suffered nightmares after they were woken by police in bulletproof vests.
Police were called to the house by a bank telephone operator who believed Mr Everett had threatened to shoot his 18-month-old son, Peter.
Mr Everett, 32, was home with wife Emma at 6.30pm Monday, juggling a screaming baby and toddler when the NAB collections department called about a forgotten a credit card payment.
The recruitment company director says he explained to the telephone operator it was not a convenient time.
"I was being smart because (the woman on the phone) was threatening legal action ... I admit to being smart. At no stage was I offensive or anything like that," Mr Everett said.
"At the end of the call my baby was still screaming so I said to her I'd recorded her call to prove the harassment.
"At which stage she said she was going to end the call – which I was quite happy with.
"Ten minutes later three police arrived."
Mr Everett says his two children were woken by police in bulletproof vests. He said he was told by police the NAB reported that he had threatened to kill his three-year-old son, Paul.
"The police said they'd had a report I was going to shoot my baby then asked me if I owned a gun or had a firearm. Then they said they couldn't leave without checking that my kids weren't shot – although they'd realised I wasn't a threat," he said.
"Then I noticed one of the officers actually had a second bulletproof vest under which he had something I thought was a taser. I asked if they were going to taser me he said 'no, it's the black one' and motioned to his Glock (gun).
"I had to go in to my children's room with the police to show they were OK."
Mr Everett, from Sydney's north shore, who with his wife founded and directs recruiting company Everflow, tried to obtain the recording of the phone call but was told it was unavailable due to a technical difficulty.
However NAB spokesman George Svigos told news.com.au it would review the situation and provide audio of the phone conversation to police.
"When our people feel they have cause to be concerned for the welfare of a child, the appropriate thing to do is to refer the matter to the relevant authorities," he said.
"These are complex judgement calls. Like all similar matters, this will be reviewed.
"Police have requested the audio of the phone conversation, which will be provided."
A police spokesman confirmed officers from Harbourside Local Area Command attended an address in Wollstonecraft, on Sydney's north shore on Monday night "after receiving a report about threats allegedly made by a man during a phone call".
"Inquiries into the alleged incident are continuing."
Mr Everett said his two boys, Peter and Paul were up all night with nightmares, and he and his wife would seek an apology.
"I am really concerned that the image of police coming into my young children's room may stick with them for a long time and could have lasting effects on them," he said.
"To be accused of something like that ... the actual events are unbelievable and it's very much a slanderous claim."
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Katharine of Australia Posted at 10:26 AM November 07, 2012
Is it really so hard to say 'Sorry, this isn't the best time - I'll get the CC payment through once I get these two settled. Please call back in 20 minutes.' A full discussion where both parties were probably unprofessional isn't warranted.
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Jan of Butler Posted at 10:26 AM November 07, 2012
everyone loves a smart arse
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Paul Firth Posted at 10:25 AM November 07, 2012
Collection agencies are thugs they would still be breaking your legs if they thought they could get away with it. We once had a very large and unfriendly man turn up looking for our ex-housemate from a debt collector, the tactics of intimidation are still very well alive.
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Who's Telling the TRUTH of Blue Haven Posted at 10:24 AM November 07, 2012
NAB threaten legal action for a (indicating 1) forgotten credit card payment. I went on holidays and my payment was due whilst I was away but no one threated me with legal action, in fact no one called. When I got home and realised it was overdue I went into the bank explained and payed my payment. A screaming baby sound asleep in less then 10 mins before police arrived. Upset babies take time to calm down let alone get to sleep (well that's my experience). If you thought the police look scary why wouldn't you say to the children mummy and daddy have some friends who like to say good night to you. If he had recorded the call why didn't he play it for the attending police. There have been many stories in the news where children have been the victum of parents emotions (recent story, the woman in the US who stabbed her husbands son 100 times). If I thought the children were at risk I would have called the police too! The police aren't at fault here they were just trying to prevent a potential tradgedy. If this mans story is totally true I think the bank should be penalised and pay damages. As NAB's provided the recording to the police it will weed out the truth from the lies.
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snuck Posted at 10:24 AM November 07, 2012
Having worked collections it's amazing how many people 'forget' their credit card payments and then get irate when you 'remind' them. Usually reminding them for the fifth time... And then when irate say the most insanely stupid things to try to get you to stop asking for the money you owe. Even people who head up businesses don't pay their bills. Often they are the worst. I doubt seriously that the call centre operator would have 'made up' the threat about the children - they handle hundreds of calls a day and while you get fed up with the abusive people you don't make stuff up like this. So my money is on the recording showing that the guy did say something that could be interpreted as a threat. I've heard plenty of "Oh, I guess I'll top myself" and "So what do you want me to do - not feed my kids for a week?" and "Guess I'd better go rob granny to pay you then". Idiot stuff. People get into debt because they are too busy trying to have more than they can afford. Some people genuinely have poverty related issues, most have bought a new hat for Melbourne Cup, paid for some false nails on credit card and bought something unnecessary.
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Chewy Posted at 10:24 AM November 07, 2012
It never would of happened if he paid his bills.
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Tom Posted at 10:22 AM November 07, 2012
Well I hope the recordings proves what an unfit parent this couple is. Who says that to a phone operator. Obviously to high to know what they said.
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David of WA Posted at 10:21 AM November 07, 2012
The operator should be sacked and shot! Debt collection people are the worst people in the world! they deserve to be shot!
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Ron Posted at 10:21 AM November 07, 2012
If this was no indication of a threat [to kill his child], then the operator should have to bear all costs of this unnecessary police operation and also pay the family a $10,000 compensation for the trauma and slander. People need to understand that they cannot just do this and get away with it, yet the tax payers have to cop the cost.
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jack book of Australia Posted at 10:20 AM November 07, 2012
this is a common ploy to cover butts nowdays recently a media organisation was demanding a copy of a youtube video from a gent ( i can supply his contact) when the company reported him as threatening and the police attended , when he sorted it the company called the police again and told the man if he did not give them the full video they'd do it again!!! ( the media was radio) state government have done this a number of times , seems its a intimidation tactic so you dont arguie against what the corportate wants this is blackmail by PC lies nothing more nothing less , disgusting that we' now copy the low ness of the politicians who started all this
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Phone worker Posted at 10:20 AM November 07, 2012
Adrian I think you should think your boys lucky that someone actually acted and spoke up when they thought your children were in trouble. I'm sure if they were in the house with a stranger and the stranger sounded unstable or threatening you would want the police there.Being a phone worker myself I know how people speak to others and the loud,harrassing background noises in houses. Maybe you need to take a look at yourself and your own behaviour. Personally I think the lady who stood up and said something is the hero in this story.
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Tolomy of Brisbane Posted at 10:20 AM November 07, 2012
Well as the NAB like other banks record the cals for "Training and coaching purposes" It will be interesting to see who is right and telling the truth.
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One of those horrible collectors of Brisbane Posted at 10:19 AM November 07, 2012
Working in the debt recovery industry myself, it is common practice when someone threatens or even vaguely mentions causing harm themselves or others to arrange what we refer to as a 'welfare check'. It may cause distress or embarrassment, however better that than ignore the situation and the worst happens (which unfortunately does happen in some cases when people are under financial stress). If all they were after was a credit card payment, the call could have been over in 1 minute if Mr Everett had just told them the date he would make the payment, then he could have gone back to attending to his screaming monsters...(oops, I mean kids).
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Belle Posted at 10:17 AM November 07, 2012
Here's a suggestion - pay your debts & they wouldn't have to call you at inconvenient times to follow up on it. I am sure that Mr Everitt wouldn't be too understanding if one of his client's didn't pay his recruiting firm because they had "forgotten" about it!
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Jason Green of Sydney Posted at 10:16 AM November 07, 2012
He is a Recruitment Company Director. He probably deserved to be shot anyway.
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Caractacus of Perth Posted at 10:16 AM November 07, 2012
Methinks the father is an opportunistic smart arse, he wants to make money out of this. If he paid his bills as we all should he wouldn't have got the call in the first place.
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laurie Posted at 10:11 AM November 07, 2012
Unfortunatly the dad will now have a police record and file on him so ANYTHING in the future involving his kids he will be guilty before innocent.
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john Posted at 10:11 AM November 07, 2012
6:30am! shows how our banks like to treat customers
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jo Posted at 10:10 AM November 07, 2012
I don't think a bank operator would go to all that trouble if it wasn't true. Why would the bank operator make it up? Hope the kids are safe.
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dumbandumber of oztralyah Posted at 10:09 AM November 07, 2012
Sounds like NAB debt collectors have a direct line to the coppers now, or are they one and the same? "pay your minimum payment or the police will be around to Taser you" sounds like a Gestapo state....
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sjB of NAB Town - repossessed Posted at 10:09 AM November 07, 2012
âWhen our people feel they have cause to be concerned for the welfare of a child, the appropriate thing to do is to refer the matter to the relevant authorities,â But - that doesn't stop us offering margin loans and high-rate credit cards with juicy introductory offers and happy, cheery salespeople to pray on vulnerable people with low incomes and families in the intention of getting them in to debt and generating cashflow off them, even at the cost of their house if they can't pay. But - remember - NAB cares more about your kids than you do! Scumbags, I hope someone does burn those motherfuckers down. What sort of scum would do this and then claim it was to protect the child. Moreover, who would threaten to kill their own son just to get at the bank? "I'm in prison for infanticide - that'll sort out me credit card!". I swear - the banks think everyone is as stupid as the people that willingly deal with them.
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Fiona Posted at 10:08 AM November 07, 2012
He says it wasn't a good time as they were juggling a screaming baby & toddler, yet when the police arrived "10 minutes later", they woke his children. Amazing that they got them off to sleep so quickly, especially when he was so agitated about the phone call to remind him that he had "forgotten" to pay his bills. I doubt legal action would have been threatened unless it wasn't the first reminder. I feel sorry for the person that had to make the call to him. I doubt he was being "smart". More likely aggresive and extremely rude to someone just doing their job. I'm sure the police didn't burst in to the kids bedroom with guns drawn. The kids will only be traumatised if the parents carry on about it, which obviously they intend to do. I'd be more worried about the example you set for your children by not paying your bills and then being rude to the people who have to chase you for the money you owe.
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Young Father of Brisbane Posted at 10:08 AM November 07, 2012
Sounds like a frustrated call centre operator vindictively making a false claim to police which could have resulted in an innocent father being shot. If this is the case she needs to have the book thrown at her. "Technical difficulties with the call recording" my right butt cheek.
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lolly of Australia Posted at 10:08 AM November 07, 2012
I'm interested to know the outcome of the phone call recording. How convenient that it was unable to be retrieved due to "technical difficulties"...
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Shane of Gold Coast Posted at 10:07 AM November 07, 2012
Better safe than Sorry!!!!
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steve of nsw Posted at 10:07 AM November 07, 2012
Somebody needs to pay for this. In violating the privacy and freedom of these people the Bank needs to pay compensation and apologize. A total waste of police resources as well. The police force should also be compensated by the Bank. He did not phone the bank, they phoned him. I bet the bank person thought to themselves in their tiny little mind that they would fix his wagon. Don't Bank NAB, that's for sure.
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What's Really Going on? Posted at 10:06 AM November 07, 2012
Firstly the recording wasn't available due to a technical glitch, then it is when the police want a copy. The story also says the kids were both screaming and 10 minutes later they were woken up! It all sounds like a bit of a mess!
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Wayne Posted at 10:05 AM November 07, 2012
You do not need much if a brain to work as a telephone operator/contact person for a bank. They are good at blowing things out of all proportion if they do not like statements from the people they contact, and allegedly in this case, very good at making a few things up to get back at the client as well. If this story is accurate, police should be interviewing the caller from the bank, not the "victim".
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Darren of Adelaide Posted at 10:03 AM November 07, 2012
I'll reserve my judgement until I hear the audio of the call.
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Brad of QLD Posted at 10:02 AM November 07, 2012
Lol banks! Who needs them? :-)
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Liz Posted at 9:58 AM November 07, 2012
These sort of callers don't care about it being a convenient time or not. The other day I had a telemarketer from our bank ring just before dinner and I told him it wasn't a good time now because I had the kids - including the toddler - in the bathtub. His reply was: The children can wait. He didn't give a hoot that a toddler can drown in much less time than it takes him to rattle off his sales pitch. I just put the phone down on him but I was upset about so much inconsideration for a good few days.
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calliope Posted at 9:58 AM November 07, 2012
So many different sides to this story. What does "being smart" mean but how nasty was the operator calling the police in the context of "child safety" when it was obviously just to get back at him.
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Take Legal Action Mate of Perth Posted at 9:57 AM November 07, 2012
All too often those who work in the banks (those who are low level phone workers, I'm not referring to management) think THEY own the of bank and act as such, not realising they're JUST employees. Disgusting. I hope he sues the bank!
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The-A-Team Posted at 9:56 AM November 07, 2012
Another day, another person blatantly at fault but looking every which way for someone else to blame. Welcome to the modern world.
Comment 134 of 171
Tracy of Newcastle Posted at 9:53 AM November 07, 2012
So his baby was screaming at the end of the phone call, yet 10 minutes later when the police arrived they woke his kids up? Come on, 10 minutes? Planning to sue for some damages now? The kids won't remember it if they don't keep reminding them of it. I doubt the police stormed into their bedroom by kicking open doors etc to scare them, like out of a cop show.
Comment 135 of 171
Richard Posted at 9:52 AM November 07, 2012
A big bank calls the police and they respond. We had a guy driving up and down our street, drunk and stoned, threatening his wife and kids who were hiding in our home, and the cops didnt show up for 2 hours. Yet if I go over the speed limit by 10klms, a "potential" threat to other road users, they are quick to send me an expensive picture and fine me(but they are not revenue raising Ok). The laws and policing in this country have been badly degraded and their credibility has become laughable. Get the politicians and revenue raising out of the law and policing and return to common sense.
Comment 136 of 171
Phil of Barossa Posted at 9:52 AM November 07, 2012
Interesting how common these convenient "technical difficulties" are. Presumably the technical difficulty is "we don't want you to have it".
Comment 137 of 171
JW of Sydney Posted at 9:51 AM November 07, 2012
Recruitment director says it all. Arrogant as all hell. No sympathy.
Comment 138 of 171
Dave of Melbourne Posted at 9:50 AM November 07, 2012
This mans concerns are true. Credit card companies will continually call for payments that verge on the extreme. i was late with a payment and was called 15 times one day. I argued with the operator for calling me at 9.00p.m. at night. This is harrassment, I can understand his anger. I have asked if i am overdue then email, but they said it is not possible.
Comment 139 of 171
Dot Molloy of Rutherglen Posted at 9:49 AM November 07, 2012
Since when did the Banks become members of the police force? It seems they (the Banks)completely control every aspect of our lives nowadays. Shame on you.
Comment 140 of 171
Ex NAB customer of Gold Coast Posted at 9:47 AM November 07, 2012
NAB people are the rudest most aggressive and offensive people I have ever dealt with. They call you if you are 1 day late with a credit card payment and speak to you like you are some sort of criminal. I have just paid off my NAB credit card which is my last remaining account with the NAB. I will no close the account. I moved all of my personal and business banking From the NAB because the business bankers (wankers) I dealt with we're the most unethical people I have ever dealt with. They will only speak to you when they think there may be a sale in it for them....
Comment 141 of 171
Richard of Bris Posted at 9:47 AM November 07, 2012
Good on the police for their work! I'm so fortunate that our police are thorough :)
Comment 142 of 171
Al Posted at 9:47 AM November 07, 2012
Any parent understands why 630pm is not a good time to call. Does the bank?
Comment 143 of 171
Ryan Posted at 9:45 AM November 07, 2012
Note to oneself: Ok I will pay the fee on time next time!
Comment 144 of 171
SR of WA Posted at 9:45 AM November 07, 2012
Oh the joys of being a Father in this country!
Comment 145 of 171
Johnno of Qld Posted at 9:40 AM November 07, 2012
Typical Aussie drama, a storm in a tea cup, and those Aussie cops make me laugh, they see bugger all actions compared to their counterparts overseas, so are all ready for action where there is none, maybe they should start recruiting smart people and work on more interaction with people instead of confrontation
Comment 146 of 171
Alan of Adelaide Posted at 9:40 AM November 07, 2012
If police act on a call, fair enough. BUT- a copy of the recorded call MUST be mada available! If this was real [and went to court] that would be material evidence - failing to provide a copy to Defence would be grounds for dismissal. Since it WASN'T Real, someone is lying - and the same recording can now be evidence in a civil lawsuit. "Losing" the recording becomes "Tampering with evidence".
Comment 147 of 171
cheryl of QLD Posted at 9:38 AM November 07, 2012
I would so be changing banks,what a traumatic experience for this family. She would have been annoyed he said he was taping their conversation and decided to get revenge on him,sack her!!!
Comment 148 of 171
Who knew of Vic Posted at 9:38 AM November 07, 2012
Hmmmm overkill by a bank... your kidding me right! A bank would never do that! This family deserves an apology from the call centre operator, the bank, the police, and most likely have their credit card bill waived! The operator needs to start looking for another job, one where there is no 'customer service' involved!
Comment 149 of 171
Marie Posted at 9:36 AM November 07, 2012
NAB collections are bullies and they will continue to harrass you at all hours for the smallest of arrears, despite substantial funds in another account to cover the arrears. Once when I was travelling I knew I needed to make a payment but couldn't get secure internet access. They continued to ring my mobile for hours. They need to be bought into line.
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On Saturday, The Who's Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey reunited onstage with the band's former drummer Kenney Jones for the first time in more than 25 years. The occasion was the Rock 'n' Horsepower benefit concert, which raised money for the Prostate Cancer UK organization and took place at the Hurtwood Park Polo Club in Surrey, England.
Townshend and Daltrey were just two of many well-known musicians who performed with Jones at the event, which also featured appearances by Jeff Beck, Simply Red singer Mick Hucknall, Genesis and Mike & the Mechanics guitarist Mike Rutherford, Moody Blues singer/bassist John Lodge, ex-Foreigner bassist Rick Wills and John Parr, among others.
A variety of videos featuring highlights from the show have been posted on YouTube. The footage includes clips of Townshend, Daltrey and Jones playing the Who classics "I Can't Explain," "Substitute," "5:15," "Pinball Wizard" and "The Kids Are Alright."
Other videos capture Beck playing an instrumental version of The Beatles' "A Day in the Life," Hucknall singing The Faces' "Stay with Me" and "Debris," Beck and Hucknall performing The Troggs' "Wild Thing" together, Rutherford and Mike & the Mechanics singer Tim Howar playing Genesis' "I Can't Dance" and a couple of other tunes, Lodge delivering a rendition of "Nights and White Satin" and a bevy of stars -- including Townshend, Hucknall, Parr and Wills -- playing a version of The Rolling Stones' "It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (but I Like It)."
As previously reported, Jones was diagnosed with prostate cancer last summer, and has been undergoing treatment for the disease. Prostate Cancer UK focuses on raising awareness about the prostate cancer and also provides financial support to men who are battling the disease.
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Part of the legend was to declare May 1 her birthday. That date marked an 1886 national strike for an eight-hour workday. In turn-of-the-century America, rife with debate about women's proper "sphere," she became "Mother" Jones, a little gray-haired lady sallying forth to protect her "children"--the workers exploited by increasingly powerful industrial interests.
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- "I 'ave nevair been more insulted in my life! 'Alf-giant? Moi? I 'ave — I 'ave big bones!"
- —Olympe Maxime to Rubeus Hagrid after he states that she is half-giant[src]
Madame Olympe Maxime (fl. 1994-2010) was the headmistress of Beauxbatons Academy of Magic. Maxime's preferred mode of transportation is to travel with her students in a powder-blue carriage drawn by twelve winged Abraxan horses, which are bred at Beauxbatons Academy of Magic. Madame Maxime is a half-giantess, although she claims merely to have "big bones." This is a necessity, however, as the approach to giants (or part-giants) is generally hostile.
Early lifeOlympe Maxime was born to one magical parent and one giant, making her a half-giantess. She kept this heritage hidden, out of fear of the prejudice that would strike her were it to be revealed. She was likely educated at Beauxbatons Academy of Magic in France, where she later became Headmistress. It is unknown exactly when she became Headmistress of Beauxbatons.
In August 1994, Madame Maxime attended the final of the 422nd Quidditch World Cup in England with some of her students. When the Dark Mark was conjured, they got separated. While trying to find her, her students asked Ronald Weasley if he had seen her. Ron, who did not speak French, did not understand the question.
Maxime and some of her students went to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry in October of 1994 for the Triwizard Tournament. She made such an impact on Professor Rubeus Hagrid that he immediately started trying to impress her: he tried to tame his hair, wore his best ill-fitting clothes, and even showed her the Triwizard Tournament dragons while they were still meant to be a secret. Given his lack of social graces, however, this was not so successful. It is unclear whether she was impressed by this, but either way, Hagrid scuppered any chance he might have had at the Yule Ball. It was here that he put it to Olympe that she was a half-giantess just like him — he was right, of course, but she was not inclined to concede such a point, and, for a while, avoided his company. However, Harry noticed that she did attempt to re-initiate contact with Hagrid while he dug in his garden, though apparently Hagrid did not warmly greet her and she left soon after.
When Harry returned clutching the body of Cedric Diggory, Olympe was one of the first to realise that he was dead and clutched her heart in shock. She was also present during the memorial feast of Cedric Diggory after he was murdered by Peter Pettigrew during the third task.
During the summer of 1995 Rubeus Hagrid and Madame Maxime visited the giants as envoys for Albus Dumbledore. Hagrid described her spellwork as "brilliant". She separated from Hagrid during the return journey, however, because he would not abandon his half-brother Grawp, who proved to be a highly taxing travelling companion; she returned to Beauxbatons alone.
In 1997, Madame Maxime was among those paying respects at Dumbledore's funeral. She and Hagrid comforted each other during this occasion, though this may have been inspired solely by the emotion of the moment. She also attended the wedding of Bill Weasley and former Beauxbatons student Fleur Delacour later on that same year.[2]
Later life
It is unknown if she and Hagrid ever rekindled their relationship, although ultimately they never married.[3]
Physical appearance
- "I don't know who Maxime thinks she's kidding, If Hagrid's half-giant, she definitely is. Big bones... the only thing that's got bigger bones than her is a dinosaur."
- —Harry Potter regarding Madam Maxime[src]
She is described as being elegant and wearing black satin robes. She is graceful despite her size (and reputedly a wonderful dancer), with handsome olive-skinned features, huge black eyes, and sleek hair drawn back from her face. She dresses from top to toe in black satin, and is laden with opal jewellery. Also despite her size, she is a very fast dueller, able to cast two Conjunctivitis Curses within seconds of each other.
Maxime's huge size is due to her half-giant background. Initially, she fiercely denied this, claiming that she merely had "big bones". Harry noted he "had only ever seen one person as large as this woman in his life, and that was Hagrid; he doubted whether there was an inch difference in their heights".
Personality and traits
Madam Maxime appeared to get on well with her students. She had a sense of fair play and felt it was unjust that Harry Potter had also been chosen for the Triwizard Tournament which gave Hogwarts two champions, and at first she refused to accept that Harry hadn't actually put his name in the Goblet of Fire. However, she did not judge Harry unfairly during the Triwizard Tournament's tasks, giving him an 8 out of 10 on the dragon probably because the Horntail successfully attacked Harry once (though slightly lower than most of the others', it was far fairer than Karkaroff's four). She also was willing to give Harry full marks in the second task for moral fibre, despite Karkaroff only awarding him half marks.
Olympe was ashamed of being a half giant and claimed that she was simply "big-boned." Though Hagrid described her as a fine, well dressed woman, Maxime didn't complain once about having to climb over boulders or sleep in caves during her and Hagrid's mission to visit the giants. She also had a fiery temper and Hagrid had to restrain her from attacking two Death Eaters during the mission, leading him to speculate that this may be due to the French in her.
Magical abilities and skills
- Cornelius Fudge: "But did you say it was just past the Beauxbatons Carriage? Dumbledore, do you know what that woman is?"
- Albus Dumbledore: "I consider her a very able Headmistress... and an excellent dancer."
- — Cornelius Fudge and Albus Dumbledore[src]
As the headmistress of a prominent European Wizarding School, Madam Olympe Maxime is a competent Witch deserving of the title bestowed upon her.
- Duelling: Though she was never shown actually fighting, Maxime has proven to be a capable duellist, since Rubeus Hagrid claimed that Madam Maxime performed an excellent Conjunctivitis Curse during their mission to rescue him when he was ambushed by the giants under Golgomath's command. He also said that she was able to do very fast spellwork.
- Care of Magical Creatures: At Beauxbatons, Madam Maxime bred winged Abraxan horses.
- Spell resistance: Being half-giant, Maxime has inherited the passive ability to resist many spells.
Rubeus Hagrid
- Hagrid: "So…anyway…enough abou' me. What about you? Which side you got it on?"
- Madame Maxime: "It is chilly. I think I will go in now"
- Hagrid: "Eh? No, don' go! I've — I've never met another one before"
- Madame Maxime: "Anuzzer what, precisely?"
- Hagrid: "Another half-giant, o' course"
- Madame Maxime: "'Ow dare you!"
- — Hagrid and Madame Maxime conversing about being half-giant[src]
Olympe is the French word for Olympus, the mountain home of the Greek gods. Maxime is French for "principle" (or "maxim"), a pun on "principal". It is derived from the Latin maxima, the feminine form of "maximus", meaning "greatest" or "biggest".
Behind the scenes
- Olympe Maxime is portrayed by English actress Frances de la Tour in the film adaptations of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and Deathly Hallows: Part 1. British basketball player Ian Whyte portrayed her for the full-body shots.
- In the latter she appears during the Wedding of Bill Weasley and Fleur Delacour, making her the only major character to appear in a film despite not appearing in the corresponding book.
- In Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Maxime is described as roughly the same height as Hagrid, whereas in the film adaptation she is considerably taller than him. Robbie Coltrane explained in an interview that it was due to her high heels. Also, in the books she is described as having olive skin and black hair while in the films, she has pale skin and brown hair.
- "Madame" is French for "Mrs.", which implies that at some point, Maxime must have been married. Since she appears to be single upon meeting Hagrid, it is likely she divorced or is a widow. In French "madam" is also used for someone older than you, above you, or who commands respect, such as a teacher.
- Frances de la Tour and Richard Griffiths both appeared in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 and the 2011 film Hugo. Also, they both appear in the 2012 film, Private Peaceful.
- In LEGO Harry Potter: Years 1-4, Olympe and Hagrid's relationship was testy, much as it was in the books and films.
- Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (First appearance)
- Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (film)
- Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (video game) (Appears on card)
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
- Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1
- LEGO Harry Potter: Years 1-4
- Harry Potter: The Character Vault
Notes and references
- ↑ Rubeus Hagrid's file, as created for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 and seen in Harry Potter Limited Edition, states that he is 11'6". Harry claims in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire that there was only roughly an inch difference at most in the heights of Maxime and Hagrid.
- ↑ Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 J. K. Rowling at Carnegie Hall


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Centennial Hall
Centrally located on campus, Centennial Hall has the capacity to house over 650 students in air-conditioned double rooms with private bathrooms. This hall is co-ed throughout the building and is for first-year students only. Centennial shares a courtyard with Kohl Hall and is steps away from Carillon Place dining center which hosts all-you-care-to-eat meal plans.
Conklin North is home to nearly 250 students. This hall is co-ed throughout the building and is for first-year students only. Conklin North is near the middle of campus, has air conditioning and is in close proximity to both Harshman and Kreischer Quadrangles, the Sundial Dining Center and Jerome Library.
Falcon Heights
Falcon Heights has the capacity to house nearly 650 upperclass (and transfers) in air-conditioned double- and single-room suites with private bathrooms. Typically 4 students share a suite. This building is located near many math and science buildings and is a short walk to the Student Union. Many residents dine at The Oaks dining center which hosts all-you-care-to-eat meal plans.
Founders Hall houses nearly 600 residents and is the home of the Honors Learning Community (HLC). Freshmen are eligible to live in Founders if they are part of the HLC. Founders offers six-person and two-person suites with air-conditioned double and single rooms, as well as private bathrooms. Gender Neutral housing is also available in Founders on a limited basis. The hall features an Outtakes Quick Cuisine location and is close to the Student Union, many academic buildings and the heart of campus.
Harshman Quadrangle currently has two halls open: Anderson and Bromfield. It's a short walk to the Sundial Food Court across the Alumni Mall, a large courtyard area accompanied by outdoor basketball courts. The Rec. Center, intramural fields and athletic complexes are nearby as well as many local businesses.
Kohl Hall
Kohl Hall houses over 300 students in double occupancy rooms. Kohl is centrally located on campus and is right next door to the Carillon Dining Center. Kohl hosts several learning communities including, the Business District, Chapman Learning Community, the Global Village, La Comunidad, and La Maison Française. Kohl Hall residents are encouraged to participate in one of the communities.
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Kreischer Quadrangle consists of four residence halls: Ashley, Batchelder, Compton, and Darrow. Kreischer features the Sundial Food Court along with the Alumni Mall, a large courtyard area accompanied by outdoor basketball courts. The Rec. Center, intramural fields and athletic complexes are nearby. The Arts Village learning community is housed in Kreischer Compton, the Music Community is located in Batchelder and the BGreen Sustainability theme community is located in Darrow.
Recently renovated McDonald Hall is close to the Student Union and many academic buildings. The courtyard features The Oaks dining center which host all-you-care-to-eat style of dining. Members of the ARMY ROTC, the Aviation Community, the Educators in Context and Community (ECCO), the Construction Management Theme Community, and the SEARCH Community also live in McDonald.
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Fraternity and Sorority Residences
New Greek housing will be opening on campus for the fall 2016 semester. Many Greek chapters will be living in groups within the residence halls while construction of the Greek Village is taking place. Fraternities are living in Falcon Heights and sororities are living in Conklin North. Some small group living units will continue to house additional chapters away from central campus.


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Looking for a complete picture of the attitudes and emotions of people approaching or experiencing retirement, T. Rowe Price conducted a series of in-depth interviews with some 90 volunteers. Many people are unsure about whether they are retired or not, even those still in the workforce at age 65 and older. In fact, about four in 10 retirees say they are not fully retired. Those who are content with their retirements share some important qualities: They make plans and revisit them as needed; they spend wisely; they believe that it's never too soon or too late to save; and they have a clear vision for their retirement—the activities, items, and people with the most meaning for them. The mindset and actions of these successful retirees are the same as those reflected in Practice Retirement®, an approach developed by T. Rowe Price that encourages using your 60s to begin doing the things you've always wanted to do in retirement while still working and drawing a salary and benefits.


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Petitcolin, F, Vermote, E (2002). "Land surface reflectance, emissivity and temperature from MODIS middle and thermal infrared data". REMOTE SENSING OF ENVIRONMENT, 83(2-Jan), 112-134.
AbstractThe following paper presents a method to retrieve surface reflectance, emissivity and temperature in the middle infrared (3-5 mum) and thermal infrared (8-12 mum). It is applied to Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) data acquired over Southern Africa during the August to October 2000 period. This method relies first on atmospheric correction of the middle-thermal infrared radiances which uses National Center for Environmental Prediction (NCEP) humidity, pressure and temperature profiles and second on constructing and using a database of night emissivities ratio (Temperature Independent Spectral Indices of Emissivity, TISIE). The middle infrared reflectances (3-5 pm) are then derived from day-time measurements and mean TISIE values. By hemispheric integration (over a 16-day period), they lead to middle infrared directional emissivity which, combined with TISIE again, leads to thermal infrared emissivity and surface temperature. The reflectance accuracies are assessed by looking at targets of known reflectance (water and sun-glint). The emissivities in the thermal infrared are assessed by checking the spectral invariance of the derived surface temperature in the 3-5- and 8-12-mum region. Other consistency checks are performed leading to the conclusion that the reflectance, emissivity and surface temperature are derived within 0.015, 0.01 and 1 K, respectively. Finally, a direct application of the MODIS middle infrared surface reflectances to the fire detection problem is developed and the results compared to the Landsat 7 high spatial resolution data. (C) 2002 Elsevier Science Inc. All rights reserved.
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FX Math: Party's Over for Australian Dollar as China Looms Large
The rally in the Australian dollar wasn't going to last forever.
Until this week, the Aussie had been enjoying a great ride, rising nearly 10% against the U.S. dollar since the start of September. But it is down 1.7% since reaching a peak of $0.9758 early Wednesday, and the factors that will cause the currency to tumble further are mounting by the day.
The main problem is China, where the future of the economy is, at best, cloudy. The fate of Australia's resource-driven economy is closely linked to China, its largest trading partner.
The money supply in China has tightened in recent days, thanks to the People's Bank of China, which refrained from injecting cash into the financial system for the second consecutive week. Chinese lenders were scrambling to meet their funding needs.
More troubling are concerns about a potential debt crisis in China. Investors have been focused in recent days on the massive write-offs that Chinese banks are taking on troubled real-estate loans and the mounting debts of the country's local municipalities. A much-anticipated audit of local governments' rising debt levels is supposed to be released within weeks, and it will likely show that Chinese municipalities have been spending like mad.
Such concerns have cast doubt on the Chinese government's plan to wean the economy off a risky investment-led growth model and rely more on consumers to drive economic expansion–a move that is critical to the long-term health of the country. And anything that casts doubt on China's future is bad for the Aussie dollar.
Australia has had its own troubles in diversifying its economy, which is too reliant on its mining sector. Australia's central bankers want the Aussie to weaken to make exports more attractive to foreign buyers, spread growth to other sectors of the economy, and insulate the country from the shocks that would be caused by a declining China.
That is why Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens tried to jawbone the currency lower when it hit a four-month high last week, saying: "I personally continue to think that a lower currency than this would be helpful in rebalancing the growth sources of the economy."
For currency traders, the technical indicators are also looking none too pretty. On Wednesday, the 200-day moving average of $0.9749 stopped the Aussie dollar in its tracks and formed what appears to be the third wave of the so-called Elliott Wave Cycle. Elliott Waves purport to show the fluctuation of crowd psychology from an optimistic to a pessimistic view, and the next step in the cycle is supposed to be a down wave. I expect the Aussie dollar to fall to at least $0.9407 in the next few weeks.
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Predicting the price path of any asset, especially a currency, is no easy feat. But the evidence is mounting for the Aussie dollar to give back more of its recent gains.
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The thing this game needs is treasure goblins. I'm sure a lot of you played d3 and really enjoyed treasure goblins. I fondly remember being partied with a few people and whenever we saw the amazing little goblin we would all scream "GOBO" and everyone would get super excited because even if they didn't get a lot of leet gear from it they still got quite a bit of currency.
The equivalent in this game is either inner treasure mod- league specific, or large chests. Large chests are terrible and actually demoralizing to see because the drops are so horrific. I understand why the drops are bad but they are not a viable substitute for treasure goblins.
This game needs real treasure goblins. They should have increased drop rates and always drop a few orbs. Doesn't have to be exalts and eternals. It could maybe drop like 4 or 5 chance orbs, a few chromatics, and a fusing or something. Make them rare enough so that they cant be abused but occur enough so that when you play the game to level 70 you at least see one or two of the fuckers... Inner treasure mod is ridiculously rare.
My suggestion would be to setup a system where goblins have a LOW set chance to spawn. This chance increases "x number of mobs are killed" AND "x dmg" is done by the player. Once a goblin is spawned no new players can join the party until it is either killed OR the party leader accepts the prompt on the screen to despawn the goblin. These things will help stop abuse cases.
People won't be able to hop from zone to zone because the chance of spawning a gobo will be very small if you are not doing dmg AND killing mobs. People wont be able to all search for gobos then invite people to their party to all kill it because of the second stipulation.


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Halloween may bring spooks and goblins to your door, but they're tame compared to some of the terrors that haunt our diets all year long -- foods so bad, they qualify as nutritionists' nightmares.
WebMD asked several registered dietitians and other food experts to nominate their favorite "food horrors." Their submissions ranged from empty-calorie foods masquerading as nutritious to outlandish concoctions that tip the scales with obscene amounts of fat and calories.
1. Frightful Fried Foods
From a nutritional standpoint, some of the scariest foods are the deep-fat fried concoctions you can find at carnivals and state fairs.
Americans have tossed everything from turkeys to Twinkies in the fryer, but have you ever heard of deep-fried cola? Debuting at the Texas state fair -- and winning the creativity honor at the Big Tex Choice Awards contest -- was this deep-fried, Coca-Cola flavored batter, drizzled with cola fountain syrup, and topped with whipped cream, cinnamon sugar and a cherry.
2. Scary Steakhouse Specialty
Nutritional nightmares are readily available at many of your favorite neighborhood restaurants. Christine Palumbo, RD, nominated the deep-fried onion appetizer popular at some chain steakhouses.
One such appetizer, Outback Steakhouse's Bloomin' Onion, has more than 800 calories, 58 grams of fat and 22 grams of saturated fat, plus 1,520 milligrams of sodium. These numbers don't include the dipping sauce, which is also loaded with fat, calories, and sodium.
3. Monstrously Misleading
Marion Nestle, PhD, MPH, a New York University nutrition professor and author of What to Eat, takes issue with not-very-nutritious foods that are labeled or advertised with healthy-sounding terms. She nominates "kids' fruit snacks that have no fruit whatsoever and are basically candy in disguise" as one potentially misleading food.4. Big, Bigger, Biggest Burgers
There appears to be no end to the amount of calories and fat you can fit onto a bun.
Hardee's has the Monster Thickburger, boasting 1,420 calories, 107 grams (g) of fat, 45 g of saturated fat, and 2,740 milligrams (mg) of sodium. Carl's Jr. takes it a step further with the Double Six Burger, featuring two burger patties and three slices of cheese -- weighing in at 1,520 calories, 111 g fat, 47 g saturated fat, and 2,760 mg sodium.
Burger King is not far behind with its BK Stacker, loaded with four burgers, four slices of cheese, and 8 strips of bacon, coming in at 1,000 calories, 30 g saturated fat, and 1,800 mg sodium.
And the list doesn't end at fast-food chains. Ever hear of the "Hamdog"? This culinary creation from the former Mulligan's Tavern near Atlanta starts with a hot dog padded with cheese and half pound of ground beef. That's dropped in the fryer, then loaded onto a hoagie roll and topped with chili, bacon, onions and a fried egg. Mulligan's was also famous as the home of the "Luther Burger," a giant bacon cheeseburger with a Krispy Kreme doughnut for a bun.
Someone call the food police!
Of course, "most people know when they order one of these that it is not good for them," says Jayne Hurley, RD, senior nutritionist for the watchdog group, Center for Science in the Public Interest.
If you are thinking of your health, try ordering a plain burger with sauce on the side, along with a side salad.
The bottom line is that we should eat no more than 20 grams of saturated fat per day. The U.S. Department of Agriculture's 2005 Dietary Guidelines recommend no more than 2,300 mg of sodium per day (equal to about 1 teaspoon). If you're salt-sensitive (that is, if your blood pressure is highly affected by salt), the number drops to 1,500 mg.5. Appalling Appetizers
Dietitian Cynthia Sass, RD, nominated TGI Friday's "sizzling triple meat fundido -- a combination of cheese, pepperoni, bacon, and sausage served with breadsticks." While nutritional information for this appetizer was not available on the restaurant's web site, the fat-laden ingredients ensure that the fundido is a nutritional no-no.
6. Calorie-Laden Cakes
As if cheesecake were not high enough in fat and calories, the Cheesecake Factory adds chocolate candy, cookies, mousse, ganache, flourless chocolate cake crust, and other equally caloric extras to the rich dessert, says Jayne Hurley, RD. Even if you're just ordering a plain slice, cheesecake will set you back 630 calories.


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By Justin Tomlinson
From: Monrovia, CA
Jul 3, 2016
FYI Fire in the area, Pine Mtn Rec Area is CLOSED!!!
By JJ Schlick
From: Flagstaff, AZ
Nov 11, 2006
|I had a day up here a few years back and did a handful of excellent problems in a kick ass forest setting. Some people there were scetched by the rock quality but it is rather bomber sandstone. Bring your own water, tent and everything else for a good time...
By Richard Shore
May 20, 2010
What a beautiful place. I've been up twice now before the road opens, hiking in on Chorro Grande trail, once in snow w/40mph gusts and once in 90 deg baking sunshine. Very pleasant under the shade of the pines on a hot day. -7,200' at the top. The rock is quite good, and some areas are very SHARP! Harsh on the tips, due to all the large angular sand grains and pebbles. You really want to stick every move, or it will shred your fingers after a few goes.
Truly an endless boulderfield. Good stuff to be found everywhere, on relatively steep and loose (pine needles) hillside terrain.
By Alan Zhan
From: Seattle, WA
Aug 2, 2013
|Planning on making a visit here soon, but noticed that there is a dirt road. I was wondering if anybody knows if the dirt path is suitable for a camry since it's only 6 miles.
By andy patterson
From: Carpinteria, CA
Aug 4, 2013
|Currently (as of August, 2013) the road is closed (I think). Apparently, they're doing some road repair. Your Camry should be fine. I've driven up there countless times in cars with low clearances.
By Bob Banks
Aug 4, 2013
|Still closed. I heard it was opening up in a couple weeks. If they've done as much work to the road as the time it's taken to do it, you should be able to creep through in a lowered El Camino.
By Sean Crozier
Aug 4, 2013
If you'd like an "estimated" date of the gate opening you can call the ranger station.
By David Gibbons
Aug 12, 2013
|I just called and now the road isn't opening until September 30th! Yikes!
By Sean Crozier
Sep 1, 2013
|Just drove up in my lowered El Camino .
By Jordan Collins
From: South Lake Tahoe
Oct 1, 2013
|What is the best site to check this places weather.
By Bob Banks
Oct 2, 2013
By Jordan Collins
From: South Lake Tahoe
Oct 3, 2013
|Thank you so much. I will definetely check that website out.
By Roland Castro
Oct 8, 2013
|I was on the USDA page for pine. It says they are open. Can anyone verify that in fact the gates are open. I would really appreciate it.
By andy patterson
From: Carpinteria, CA
Oct 9, 2013
|Road is open... according to my buddy Logan. He went there last weekend.
By Tim King
Oct 9, 2013
Just got back this morning, some nice cold misty fog moving in...
The gate is open, saw small posted signs at the first few lower campsites saying something like "This area closed due to the Government Shutdown" but all the upper sites had no such signs. Camped last night with no issue.
By Roland Castro
Oct 10, 2013
|Thank you Andy and thank you Tim... Another quick question. Should i be worried about ice on the guardrailless road?
By Nathan Adams
From: Ventura, CA
Oct 27, 2013
LOST La Sportiva Miura climbing shoe Oct 25-26
My left foot Miura mysteriously went missing over night while camping at the last campsite near Enlightenment Ridge area. I think an animal must have taken it. It's probably long gone by now but thought I'd post it just in case.
By Pine Cone Dave
Dec 5, 2013
Just saw a raccoon send Whiplash while wearing your Miura. It had a Mocc' of unknown origin on its other foot.
By Jon Hartmann
From: Ojai, CA
Dec 7, 2013
|Pine Mountain road is now officially closed for the season and the gate is locked. Time to start hiking up Chorro Grande.
By Davi Rivas
From: Ventura, CA
May 20, 2014
As of May 1st 2014, the gate to PM is open.
Its been a really dry year all over California, so everyone PLEASE be careful w your fires if your camping.
By Tim King
May 14, 2015
Pine is back open. Glory! Rain about right now though, let those rocks dry!
Anyone know any history/knowledge of this problem? It's in the gully between the Groupsites and the First Site, by the Smokey the Bear sign.
By Beau E.
From: Los Angeles, Ca
Aug 29, 2015
|Anyone know where I can get a guidebook for this area?
By Ida Noe
Sep 21, 2015
|So many flies...
By rp91320
Aug 23, 2016
|Conditions were really nice this week. Some bugs and little to no breeze but when it starts cooling down it should be nice. When the descriptions says "2-wheel okay the whole way" it sort of implies the road is sketchy, it isn't. Just go slow and watch out for oncoming traffic and drainage channels in the turns because it's paved all the way to the campsites. Picnic area turnout isn't obvious for first timers - it's the large grassy and pine shaded campsite you hit after the hairpin. It is lower than the road and has a grill on the south east side. Also not that it matters a great deal but the last campsite and the first are hardly 10 mins away from eachother, maybe if you're walking. Only shitter was in front of campsite one (the one after picnic area). Camp 2 is above Happy Hunting Grounds by about 1 minute. Reyes Peak Camp is above Enlightenment Ridge by about 0 minutes. Went midweek and saw quite a few people buzz in and out but only two others spending the night and of those only one was a climber. Amazing place, lucky to have this.