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California Considers Tougher Safety Standards for Tablesawscomments (122) March 15th, 2012 in blogs
The California State Assembly is considering a bill that will require all tablesaws sold in the state be equipped with SawStop-like technology, which can detect and prevent blade contact injuries. Called the Table Saw Safety Act, the legislation was introduced by Assemblyman Das Williams (D- Santa Barbara), and, if passed, will be included in California's Health and Safety Code.
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The legislation has caused a stir among tablesaw manufacturers, with a few posting "legislative action advisory" on their websites, urging folks to contact Williams and other members of the California Assembly to voice their opposition to the legislation. The fear among manufacturers is that such a law will spread quickly to other states. If passed, the bill would go into effect Jan. 1, 2015. Any seller that does not comply will be subject to a civil fine, with a maximum of $5,000 per sale.
The announcement of the bill comes as the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commision ponders the same possible requirements on a national scale.
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Comments (122)
Posted: 1:07 am on October 12th
Posted: 10:51 pm on May 9th
Boy, you said it perfect. Thank you for expressing my feelings 100% about this rubbish...
Are there any stats out there for the failure rate of a SawStop? nothing works perfect all the time and when you put a human element into it, there will be abuse and mis-use.
Posted: 9:28 am on April 7th
If Mr. Saw Stop want to save something, take a shot at something that endangers us all. This guy has a good product but I wouldn't buy one now because he is trying to force me to do it. Pardon my directness but SCREW HIM!
Hey hhmacdonald, if you like your digits attached and want to reduce your risk, by all means buy a Sawstop product; that is your right. Because you choose to do so, don't presume to make the same decision for me. My digits are my problem, as are your digits are yours. Whether to risk them or not is up to me, not you or the government.
This legislation won't get America back in the market. It will simply create another market for China to product yet another inferior product. I'm detecting a pattern here; maybe you should stay away from saws altogether.
Posted: 10:37 am on March 30th
It's very simple. The market needs cost effective machines! People do not have vast quantities of disposable income to throw around. Here in America we think everything comes cheap so we all want a Ferrari for the cost of a Chevy. Sorry pal, it just doesn't work that way. The cost of manufacturing for a totally redesigned product line has to be passed back to the consumer. It's more than expensive to retool, create a new manufacturing process and line, remanufacture all new parts and train personnel to assemble and service the product. Then there's marketing, distribution and support to name just a few more money sucking black holes. Potentially tens of millions of dollars that would take years to recover. But hey, this should be no impact right.
It's a big impact. Unlike Saw Stop that has only one line to cover, existing companies will not only have to retool to a whole new technology but dump the existing line while continuing to support and maintain all the existing products as well. Here's a reality check. That could very much spell disaster for a large number of manufacturers. Let's just say this was likely not in the business plan. You think you're stressed at the gas pump? Add a million dollars a week to that, then talk about it.
let's not overlook the next obvious crusade. Now the door is open for the safety police to demand that variations of this be added to every tool with a moving cutter. Kiss about 60% of the manufacturers goodbye along with their jobs they used to bring to the table.
This is just a little deeper than you want, you want, you want conspiracy theories. The decision could have profound imapct. So Mr Sawzall, as much as you believe that it's the role of government to make all your decisions for you and protect you from any potential harm, some of us just don't share that point of view.
Posted: 6:07 pm on March 28th
In a FREE market, if people want it they'll buy it. Why exactly do we need the government to once again jump in and save us from ourselves? I want to know who is going to save us from our government. You might look around the world today think about the cost of government protection. If I'm going to give up another freedom of choice, I'd like to have a good reason for it. Since I'm not comprehending the urgent public peril here, maybe you could articulate your reasoning so I can fully understand the basis for your fear.
Posted: 1:22 pm on March 28th
Posted: 5:09 pm on March 27th
Posted: 2:37 pm on March 27th
Basic human nature, none of us want to be told what we can or must buy or not buy.
Posted: 10:13 pm on March 26th
Basic human nature, none of us want to be told what we can or must buy or not buy.
Posted: 10:13 pm on March 26th
Basic human nature, none of us want to be told what we can or must buy or not buy.
Posted: 10:13 pm on March 26th
Basic human nature, none of us want to be told what we can or must buy or not buy.
Posted: 10:13 pm on March 26th
Basic human nature, none of us want to be told what we can or must buy or not buy.
Posted: 10:11 pm on March 26th
Posted: 10:04 pm on March 26th
It represents an intrusion of government into the private lives of hobbyists.
IF the law is written in such a way that schools and commercial shops must buy saws with protection, we have no problem as long as SawStop licenses the technology to all the other manufacturers for $1.00.
If not, we have several legal opinions that would enable us to prevent enforcement for several years.
Posted: 7:55 pm on March 25th
The proposed legislation will not lower premiums, but it will potentially reduce costs to insurers significantly, since the published indicates that treatment for table-saw related accidents is more than $2-billion a year, increasing the profitability of insurance purveyors.
The aggravation is not the idea of a good active safety measure on a table saw. Mine has none at all, since the Chinese-made elements simply would not mount on the saw. It is that a replacement will cost more, and what I pay will not be recovered by any reduction in my health insurance costs. As it is, I find that sheer terror when operating the saw is a very effective safety measure.
Posted: 3:23 pm on March 24th
You can expect these changes to happen. If not now, then later. I rather save fingers instead of allowing BSRS (Blood Sucking Rat Snakes) to ruin one of the hobbies that I enjoy. They all know that people are going to complain and nothing is going to change that, but the fact is, is that this was put in motion the day after the guy won that tablesaw suit. We as woodworkers may have not continued to follow-up wondering if there was going to be some backlash. AND HERE WE GO!
The one thing to be careful about is your insurance company going to raise your premiums for owning a table saw? The next will be premiums going up for taking a crap? All in all there is some logic and then there is POWER, MONEY, and GREED.
Posted: 12:41 pm on March 23rd
Posted: 11:34 pm on March 22nd
Posted: 11:22 pm on March 22nd
Oh, yes, remember that the end blame falls on the manufacturers because they did not implement the tech early on; if they had, the costs would not be an issue in today's world. Piss poor legal advice, is now coming to bite them on their backside. The fact is that ten years have gone by since the tech was established; it implies willful negligence by manufacturers since they did not give the consumer the option to include the tech in their purchases: A fact that may have insulated them from legal liability and stemmed the current legalities that will be forced upon us.
Posted: 10:21 am on March 22nd
Hey sawsall316, what you are actually pushing for is a total nanny state. These fools are going to legislate everything from your big tough guy SAWSALL to the toilet paper you use. And it is crying little girls like you that keep asking the state to wipe your snotty nose. We aren't going to be able to go about "humanities business" - we will only be able to go about the business that the government allows.
Posted: 11:35 pm on March 21st
Posted: 5:26 pm on March 21st
Take action.
'nuff said.
Posted: 4:57 pm on March 21st
This is not about safty, It is about greed. Why should I be forced to make one man richer at my expence. Why should I be regulated out of a hobby.
Posted: 3:24 pm on March 21st
Accidents will still happen, as surely as someday, somehwhere, a saw-stop will malfunction; either stopping when it shouldn't or failing to stop when it should.
Any self-respecting Insurance company will see that Gass has built-in a no-escape clause for himself; and charge a suitable premium, in the event that some fool will eventually prove that NOTHING is fool-proof.
Posted: 2:46 am on March 21st
Posted: 12:26 am on March 21st
Posted: 11:59 pm on March 20th
Seriously, if every machine you own was required to have not only blade brakes, but get ready for brakes on every cutter in the shop, where does it end? Don't forget that for every machine there are a hundren politicians with a platform. What about any other supporting technology required to make all woodworking tools idiot proof? My goodness our shops are a treasure trove of political opportunities um, excuse me dangerous hazards. Here's the real deal, many of us wouldn't have a shop at all. Any more than I can't afford to buy a new Shelby today, I couldn't afford to equip a home shop with what it would cost for all that mandated junk. How will we ever survive with out it?
Yeah I know, it's all just rediculous isn't it. The question is, what part?
Posted: 11:56 pm on March 20th
Posted: 11:53 pm on March 20th
1) If you make something "idiot proof" someone, somewhere will breed better quality idiots.
2)Never underestimate the awe-inspiring stupidity of the average American.
3)The U.S judicial system is as utterly corrupt as any banana republic or tinpot dictatorship.
Add these three facts together and the SawStop legislation seems to be inevitable. You now have three choices.
a)Find a representative sympathetic to your cause (or one that can be persuaded relatively cheaply)and fight this where it counts. Ranting on here will ulimately achieve nothing.
b)Do as I plan to, immediately prior to the legislation taking effect there will be a glut of old style tablesaws sold off cheaply. Buy one and use it for the rest of your woodworking life. That way you have the tool you want and you get to thumb your nose at ol' Gassy and the gummint.
c) Emigrate to a country where common sense prevails. China looks good at this point.
Actually , I live in Canada so this entire farce is merely an amusing diversion for me but I'm still planning to buy one of those cheap saws
Posted: 11:07 pm on March 20th
NovaJoe writes: "I've been a pilot with a 45 year career and witnessed a major aircraft manufacturer stop production of an entire line of airplanes because of liability claims. This in the face of the fact that the overwhelming majority of accidents are due to the people flying them are the cause by some form of error. Bad decisions, bad judgement, disregarding weather briefings, trying to do what they or the aircraft are not equipped or qualified to do. And we have legislated those issues ad nauseum and people continue to be injured and worse. Was it Ron White who was fond of saying, "you can't fix stupid"."
And now that flesh-sensing technology for table saws has been available for quite some time and is proven to significantly reduce direct-blade-contact injuries, do you think the potential for "liability claims" will increase or decrease for power-tool manufacturers who have voluntarily refused to implement such a safety measure, knowing its effectiveness?
Perhaps we should let market forces take their course and when liability claims reach unbearable levels for power-tool manufacturers, they can then choose to either eliminate their table-saw product lines, like your "major aircraft manufacturer" did, or they can adopt the technology that prevents these types of injuries in the first place (and related liability clams) and continue to make profits on table saws as they always have – SawStop seems to be doing quite well in this respect.
In the meantime, I guess we'll just have to wait until those direct-blade-contact injuries and their attendant lawsuits reach that drop or adopt threshold. Don't you just love markets and litigated liability/responsibility outcomes?
Posted: 1:59 pm on March 20th
What legislation was passed denoting the title, 'doctor', means medical doctor? Perhaps that's not a horse...maybe a pompous ass?
Did the good 'Dr.' who invented the Saw Stop technology, really petition the California legislature to mandate his technology on all saws?
Did not check out the statistics NavyNuke offered but even if only 50 per cent accurate, a well made point. A lot more important matters relative to the number of incidents to be concerned about.
I've been a pilot with a 45 year career and witnessed a major aircraft manufacturer stop production of an entire line of airplanes because of liability claims. This in the face of the fact that the overwhelming majority of accidents are due to the people flying them are the cause by some form of error. Bad decisions, bad judgement, disregarding weather briefings, trying to do what they or the aircraft are not equipped or qualified to do. And we have legislated those issues ad nauseum and people continue to be injured and worse. Was it Ron White who was fond of saying, "you can't fix stupid".
And of course, why is it called, 'common sense'?
You can legislate, mandate technology, drive the cost up and still not prevent the injury. Table saws have the potential to injure. So does the bathtub.
I think we in America have lost our sense of responsibility. And sadly, we have taught our children that someone else is responsible for the bad things and we are entitled to the good things. The 'flesh sensing' technology is a great idea and at most, should be an option the buyer can opt for. But to mandate it simply reinforces the idea that the individual does not have to act responsibly.
Posted: 12:20 pm on March 20th
Posted: 9:58 pm on March 19th
The table saw is almost 200 years old now and in standard industrial use is reasonably safe but most industrial machiness are set up for one process only.
I was in the market for a new table saw for hobby use (i.e. multiuse)and I'm fortunate that price is not a deterrent for me to purchase any particular feature on a saw but with this excellent discussion I have been rethinking the safety aspects for a hobby.
Over the years I've seen my share of ghastly hand injuries from table and circular saws and now I'm thinking that a large bandsaw might be able to do almost everything I would want the table saw to do.
And no chance for kickback!
Posted: 1:30 pm on March 19th
Posted: 12:54 pm on March 19th
In the end, you can't fix stupid- or stupid behavior. Saws are, by nature, dangerous. If you want to pay a kings ransom to hedge your bet- good for you. But I wonder if this technology is as useful one the wide variety of dense woods, wet versus dry et al. A hot dog is one thing, the vast variables in so far as species and MC% are another thing entirely.
Posted: 9:37 am on March 19th
For example, kids are great at not listening to their parents when the child is told how unsafe they are playing with their skateboard while trying to make the board jump even though the child is still haveing trouble balancing because this is their first time on a skateboard. So what do we parents do? We pad them so when they do fall, it won't hurt as bad. We as parents just allowed our children to play without learning the impact of gravity and learning the consequences.
We can't hold our childrens hands through life. We are supposed to be teaching our children to use common sense with the book smarts from their education to survive life. This includes learning to use equipment safely. Even the safety mechanisms that are install can fail. So, if you don't use common sense and training and assume that the blade will stop every time, then you will pay the consequences for the one time that your equipment's saftey feature does not work correctly. I'm sorry, just because that feature is there to stop the blade from cutting you fingers off, does not mean that you can put your fingers in harms way. Their are tools that you can use to help keep your fingers away from the blade.
So, instead of pushing for laws that cushion life, why don't we push laws to enforce common sense?
Posted: 9:02 am on March 19th
Posted: 7:20 am on March 19th
as he is an attorney, not a physician. It may be that he has a doctoral degree (He obviously has some type of technical background). Some might get the notion that he is a medical doctor from all the Dr. This and Dr. That.
We medical doctors are getting enough heat of our own these days without getting lawyers lumped in there with us!
Posted: 11:19 pm on March 18th
In 2003 when Dr. Gass petitioned the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission to make Sawstop type technology mandatory on all new table saws, he graciously stated he would continue the 8% offer to all the manufacturers forced to use his technology. If Dr. Gass was truly only concerned with safety he would have offered a set licensing fee. Instead, Dr. Greedy wanted a share of the manufacturers' future improvements and enhancements of their products. My bet is that if Dr. Gass had made the offer of a reasonable licensing fee instead of a percentage, he would be obscenely wealthy and his technology would be at least an option on almost all table saws.
Posted: 9:19 pm on March 18th
Posted: 1:17 pm on March 18th
Posted: 12:59 pm on March 18th
How many of you wear safety glasses when using a hammer (long been a recommended practice)? 2009 injury cases reported from hammer usage: 32,933.
Bicycle helmets? Avg estimated cost due to bicycle injuries: 8 billion. Most states do not even have helmet laws that apply to adults (Ca included) yet estimates indicate upwards of 80% of these injuries could be prevented through helmet use. 2009 injury rate: 544,470.
Motorcycle helmets? Similar to bicycles though some states have mandatory helmet laws that apply to all riders.
As an additional point of reference, power saw injuries (that is what the census bureau refers to them as and includes all types) comes in behind: knives, flatware, household containers and packaging, beds, chairs, tables cabinets and shelving, tubs/showers, ladders, sofas, carpets/rugs, stairs/steps, floors, ceilings/walls, doors, porches/balconies, windows, fences, footwear, wheelchairs, crutches/canes, trampolines, skateboards, and bicycles. Data is from 2009 information culled from hospital emergency room data in the Consumer Safety Product injury surveillance program on selected household products and are estimates.
Obviously a dangerous world we live in and legislation is no replacement for good common sense and education. It certainly has a place, but much like the items in the list above, let's leave this one to the user to decide. Failing to do that, at least universally apply the same logic to all the dangerous harmful things we encounter every day. Otherwise, next time you find yourself on a jury contemplating an award for a personal injury case because someone fell off a bike, cut a finger with a kitchen knife, or in some other way injured themselves because of a lack of common sense or blatant disregard of it, double the award and include the requisite state/federal governing body as a liable party for failing to regulate and/or enforce preventive measures. Blaming someone else is the current American way after all. I'm sure we can bankrupt more than one government body that way and teach everybody a lesson.
Posted: 11:57 am on March 18th
If we really want to prevent tragedy in this country, we should install breathalyzer interlocks on all vehicles sold in the US...
Posted: 11:48 am on March 18th
Posted: 10:35 am on March 18th
The sub-prime mortgage meltdown was greatly aided by gov't regulation. If the gov't didn't mandate that FNMA and FHLMC buy up mortgages to help everyone realize the "American Dream", maybe, things wouldn't have been so bad. Plus, there were plenty of laws on the books that covered the fraud of the mortgage brokers and unscrupulous buyers. We've had SOX on the books since the early 2000's and yet the same crap keeps happening. All those laws did was make it considerably more expensive for business to operate.
These days, gov't regulation isn't created to protect us. All it does is allow those in power to create loop-holes for their friends/financiers while making things tougher on everyone else. It doesn't take that much research to come up with numerous examples.
Back on the topic of saws. This is a personal decision. It affects the individual using the saw. SawStop makes a great saw. One that I will consider if I need to upgrade from my current saw. However, Mr. Gass trying to force his technology on the public through legislation leaves a bad taste. He tried to get makers to buy his technology and failed. Then he produced a wonderful saw. The market is deciding how successful his business venture/invention will be. That is the free market. Lobbying the gov't to mandate his technology be adopted by other makes is NOT free market. The gov't cannot legislate us to be safer in that arena. Jawalking is illegal in many/most areas. Yet, many people die or get maimed each year jaywalking. I imagine things will get interesting in the table saw world, when someone is injured or maimed from kick back and lawyers go after SawStop... "But it was sold as a safe saw. How could this happen?!?"
Posted: 10:12 am on March 18th
The government has a role to assure that new technology is not suppressed, but should stay away from favoring one type over another. Thiis is especially true of the CA legislature, arguably the worst in the US.
Posted: 10:09 am on March 18th
Safety features really rgr8 but it seems some of you do not think so. Why is that?
Posted: 9:40 am on March 18th
Posted: 8:57 am on March 18th
I don't know the statistics but if there were (picking the number out of a hat) 10,000 less maiming injuiries each year because of the implementation of SawStop type techology that would be a good thing. Good for the people who would have otherwise been maimed, good for the rest of us of who don't have to bear the medical costs, the lost work costs of those who would have been maimed. I'd rather err on the side of overregualtion than not enough regulation.
Another example - the 2008 subprime mortgage/financial crisis -- not enough and inadequate regulation allowed the greed that almost destroyed our capitalist system.
Back to table saws -- every one of us is capable of making a mistake, a moment of stupidity or carelessness - it doesn't mean those who have lost fingers in table saw accidents are lazy, careless or studid - it could happen to any one of us. If there's a technology that can prevent these types of accidetns, I'm all for implementing that technology.
Posted: 2:09 am on March 18th
Posted: 1:57 am on March 18th
Mr Gass approached every major tablesaw manufacturer with his technology before he ever considered building his own saw. Nobody wanted it.
Now, Mr Gass decided this technology needed to get to market, regardless of the fact that no major manufacturers would support the technology. He went through all the effort of designing a new saw completely from the ground up, and building the company that could produce them to the very high quality level he has achieved.
Now that other cabinet saw and contractor saw manufacturers see how well the technology has been accepted, and that this technology is the future, they all want to steal the work Mr. Gass has already done and put a competing product into the market.
Mr Gass has every right to deny them this luxury, as they turned it down when they had the chance to make it all their own.
And really, why should Mr. Gass let anyone else use his technology? No other industry would be expected to have it's new front-runner give away it's advantage just because the other companies want it.
And remember, this is the same technology Mr. Gass offered these companies before he ever considered building his own saw. So they DID have the chance to have their own monopoly, they just didn't want to take the risk. Steve Gass knew the risk was worth taking, and now he has the most valuable piece of safety equipment in the woodworking trade all to himself.
I say Bravo Mr Gass. Well done. Not only did you make sure this technology came to market, but you sure it did so in one of the best engineered saws to ever cut wood.
Posted: 1:36 am on March 18th
Do you remember the old Steve Martin movie "Dirty, Rotten Scoundrels"? In the movie a cork was put on the end of Steve Martins fork to keep him from injuring himself while he was eating. Is that the next piece of stupid trash that will be proposed?
Take a moment and click on the link to the Assemblyman's site and see some of the other crackpot laws he is proposing and you will see the kind of shallow thinking control freak that is proposing this nonsense.
Posted: 12:24 am on March 18th
Posted: 12:10 am on March 18th
Thank goodness I had the common sense not to live in California. I do not know how any rational person could put up with all the downright stupid legislation that flows from their capitol.
Our founding founders must be spinning in their graves.
Posted: 11:58 pm on March 17th
While I like the SawStop technology, the cost of that saw versus the price of my Powermatic proved to be expensive.
Personal safety is a choice, and I make that choice by using all the safety features of my saw... And I respect power tools the power the have to injure me... Just sayin!
Posted: 10:42 pm on March 17th
Posted: 9:13 pm on March 17th
Comparing a table saw safety feature to an automobile is hardly the same. While on the road in a vehicle you are subject to the decisions made by every driver sharing the road. If I make a mistake on the table saw I do not have the potential to injure/kill anyone else. Not to mention, there are plenty of safety features available that are not on all cars. If they were, a lot of us probably wouldn't be able to afford a vehicle. So the fundamental logic that tools should inherently be safer would have a more profound impact if applied to autos.
And comparing to seat belts? One state (NH) does not have a primary seat belt law while 17 have a seat belt law only as a secondary infraction. One would expect that these states would have substantially higher costs due to vehicular deaths, but according to CDC statistics they don't. Millions still don't wear them even with the laws. Once again maybe we should take another hint from the military if we really want to minimize the impact to society; no seat belt no payment of medical expenses required. So is it the law or the education process that finally took hold to reduce vehicular injuries?
Life and freedom is about choices. If it weren't, maybe we should revisit prohibition, outlaw all tobacco products, and get of rid of personal motorized transportation just to start. We would surely have a healthier and safer society and a cleaner environment for all to enjoy for much longer.
"Choosing to live your life by your own choice is the greatest freedom you will ever have."
Posted: 8:54 pm on March 17th
A lot of people slip and fall in the tub, so maybe we should pass legislation to make them all soft and comfy.
And anyone who makes an analogy to the seat belt laws is either intentionally or blindly failing to see the error of their so-called logic. If I could drive my table saw into your table saw, then by all means "require" improved safety. Since that doesn't happen, your analogy fails. Miserably. If innocent people didn't die in auto accidents, we wouldn't (shouldn't) have seat belt laws. Try again.
He who sacrifices up liberty for safety deserves neither. For those who wish the government enacts these laws to "protect us", please remember your statements when they start treading on liberties YOU hold dear. Sadly, by that time, it'll be too late.
Finally, those who do not want to pay for other people's injuries have that right. Self insure. By high deductible catastrophic insurance at a cheap rate to protect against catastrophes, then save a nice cushion to pay for your own medical care and minor insurance needs. Heck, if you're lucky, you might end up with a nice nest egg. Insurance is shared risk. If you choose not to share in that risk, don't share. See? Freedom? Choice? You? Every time the government steps in we lose a little bit of those things.
Posted: 8:53 pm on March 17th
Could I sue sawstop if it ruins my blade by stopping because I cut a wet or high moisture content piece of wood and not my finger?
Let the marketplace chose whether to buy a saw with or without the greedy lawyer's sawstop.
Maybe, when he's not lobbying lawmakers, he can invent one to keep my lawnmower from giving me pedicure.
Learn how to use tools correctly. Make safe jigs. Use push sticks. Pay attention.
Posted: 8:04 pm on March 17th
From another perspective, if saws without the extra safety technology are really as dangerous as they are being made out to be, wouldn't the liability insurance for the companies producing them eventually drive their prices high enough that this would stop being an issue?
Posted: 6:34 pm on March 17th
Posted: 4:53 pm on March 17th
I suggest that the entire burden of medical costs due to table-saw related injuries rest on those interested parties who gamble with safety, i.e., those parties who either refuse to use or implement proven technologies capable of preventing such injuries.
They would not, however, be allowed to rely upon insurance of any kind or transfer such costs to anyone else - friends, wealthy relatives, customers, employees, taxpayers, etc. The cost burden would be confined to only those who played a role in making decisions about the use or implementation of available safety technologies. It would be a 50/50 share of the burden, e.g., the individuals who were injured as a result of not (knowingly) using available flesh-sensing technology as well as the companies that did not (knowingly) integrate those technologies into the products they used.
So Billy Bob woodworker who's pissed off at the government for messing with his Medicare and thus decides to exercise his individual liberties by buying a Delta table saw without that socialist SawStop technology would share the medical and related disability costs equally with Delta when he cuts off half his hand because that's the price to pay for exercising one's individual liberties. Hey, power to the people, right?
For the companies, however, the costs could not be absorbed within company budgets. These costs would be directly extracted from the incomes of those individuals who made the decisions, including those who have financial stock in the company. In other words, it would serve as a direct tax on those in positions of influencing company decisions and policies. Anyone with a capacity to influence or act upon the decision making process with regard to safety would be held directly responsible for the entire costs of injuries that resulted from those decisions. In other words, the risks and costs of not employing safety measures all along the chain would fall directly and completely on those making those decisions and assessments.
The beauty of this proposal is that it doesn't mandate anything. No one is being denied their choice to produce, buy, or choose a table saw with or without flesh-sensing technology. It simply shifts the risks, responsibilities, and costs on those who make certain choices, namely, those who wish to gamble with their own or others' safety. Choices have real-world consequences and those consequences should rest on those parties who have actually made the choices all along that chain.
Of course, such a proposal would never fly because we systematically refuse to believe that choices involve more than just individual decisions at the point of contact, i.e., we only acknowledge those at the very bottom of the responsibility food chain as culpable participants.
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Posted: 4:34 pm on March 17th
Posted: 4:32 pm on March 17th
Posted: 4:19 pm on March 17th
I know that is what I am doing!
Posted: 2:11 pm on March 17th
Posted: 1:48 pm on March 17th
Posted: 1:34 pm on March 17th
Posted: 12:31 pm on March 17th
If it passes there will be some happy delta/powermatic dealers in Arizona. Delivery anyone?
Posted: 12:24 pm on March 17th
I challenged one factory demo'er to try this even with a hot dog and he refused. Why? Presumably because it would clearly show that the little nick that you get in a slow moving hot dog turns into two pieces of hot dog under realistic usage conditions.
The whole thing's a marketing sham. How much is Assemblyman Williams getting for his next campaign to return to the perpetual governmental feed trough that is California government?
Posted: 12:24 pm on March 17th
difficulties, the assemblymen/women just ignore this and take
on side issues.
Posted: 12:10 pm on March 17th
Posted: 12:06 pm on March 17th
Posted: 11:41 am on March 17th
Could you please provide the source for this little factoid, brother woodworker? You're light years ahead of me in woodworking, but that I have good reason to question your statement.
I hear this outselling claim from Sawstop and other promoters of said table saw, but I'll be danged if I can find where this statement can be substantiated.
Please don't be a liberal and start pulling "factual" statements out of thin air. Remember, the truth has no agenda.
Posted: 11:26 am on March 17th
This proposed law will not only give SawStop a monopoly (and cause their prices to rise) it will also prevent lots of people from ever owning a saw. I don't believe SawStop is out selling all other saws 20-1 but event if that is true it is explained by companies being forced by insurance companies to buy them or lose coverage. Every school here, that still has a shop, has replaced it with a SawStop because they could not get insurance with it.
If I were forced to buy a SawStop I would not be doing woodworking because even their smallest saw will not fit in my shop. This is just one more case of the nanny state controling out lives.
Posted: 11:20 am on March 17th
Mr. Sawstop has a lock on the patent for his blade braking technology, and has vigorously litigated against any other patent application that effectively accomplished the same function, whether or not it used the same means to accomplish same.
I applaud Mr. Sawstop's capitalistic spirit, and even grudgingly admire his business savvy. But he is using our laws and politicians to promote his fledgling monopoly and stifle any competition that would make his efforts an honest enterprise. His concern is the dollars he can make, not the fingers he can save.
There is nothing altruistic about Mr. Sawstop's methods, or he would share his patent (freely of for a reasonable fee) and still make millions. Mr. Sawstop's methods demonstrate the dark, predatory side of capitalism that is the fertile ground that breeds and nourishes socialism.
I am inviting all of you to research the background on this. It is all over the Internet.
Posted: 10:54 am on March 17th
In the USA where consumers want cheap turn of the 19th century style table saws, Sawstop is currently out selling all other brands 20 to 1.
So, I find it very amusing that on the one hand the woodworker community's primary calling card espouses quality handmade one-off workmanship vs. mass produced junk from the Asia. But on the other hand and to the contrary, a large proportion of them are outraged that they may lose their supply of cheap quality mass produced tablesaws.
This is a typical theme in America today. Lots of opinion that falsely claims our freedom are being lost to the over legislated leftists! Rather than intelligent debate on the issues.
Posted: 10:50 am on March 17th
Can't we just round up all the idiots in this country and put them in a rubber padded room to protect them from the mean old bad earth? It would be a lot cheaper that paying for all the the "SAFETY DEVICES" that will eventually bankrupt this country because we can't do ANYTHING AT ALL because the Liberal Nanny Nazis have protected us from every thing.
Excuse me, I'm going out to my porch with a full bottle of single malt scotch before some democrat puts an alcohol filter on it, and read my wife's knitting catalog.
God help us all, PLEASE!
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The location of your body parts is not dependent on where your tools are made - it's dependent on how you use them.
The point of virtually every post here is that we're responsible users and shouldn't be penalized for some idiot who isn't.
Want to buy a Sawstop with your money, go for it.
Want to make me buy one because you feel compelled to buy one to feel safe?
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Buy what you want and then accept the consequences of your decision like a grown-up.
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Perhaps we as a people need to accept the responsibility for our choices. If the tool is designed in a negligent manner that causes injury (such as a part not being strong enough to do the work that it is designed to do resulting in injury) then the manufacturer is responsible for their negligence and should be penalized for the bad design. If we choose to use an otherwise safe product in an unsafe way and get injured then shame on us.
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Seriously, there is no place for this level of bashing we're laying upon each other in this forum.
I admire Gass for trying to find a safe way for us all to use our tools, but I don't necessarily agree with some of his tactics. I don't have the statistics, but I'd bet the table saw is probably number one on the list of woodworking tool injuries, so why not focus on this tool. Most, if not all, other tools do not have the potential to injure the user like the table saw does, especially since the table saw is the number one tool on which people actively remove existing safety measures.
The question is, does a safer tool pass the Common Sense test? I say yes. Does the government have a right to tell me to use a safer saw? I am, and always have been a conservative on most issues, but if using an unsafe product imposes a burden on society, such as the long term medical and rehabilitation costs of someone suffering a brain injury from not wearing a helmet, then yes, I think the government should step in.
You might argue that losing a finger is not the same as a brain injury. True, but a table saw has the ability to do more than remove a finger, and potentially end someone's career and imposing a burden on society.
I do disagree with the State of California imposing a specific solution. I think they should leave it up to the suppliers to figure out how to solve the problem and force some healthy competition.
Let me conclude my comments by saying I am NOT, nor have I ever been associated with SawStop, nor do I have any vested interest in his solution or legal initiatives. I'm just an average woodworker.
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If you really think you are completely independent of the rest of society and should be allowed to do what you want unimpeded by considerations of what's in the general interest then please unplug from the internet, generate your own electricity, stop using our roads and maps, cut your own lumber, etc.
This is exactly the kind of issue that we need government for -- clear market failure if no one is willing to make a SS saw at a reasonable price. History is full of examples where markets and manufacturers will simply never do the right thing until regulation corrects the incentives. Not true of everything, but certain safety things like this are logic 101 examples.
Posted: 1:43 pm on March 16th
What we SHOULD be doing is to make sure that the COURT SYSTEM does not award settlements to someone injured after they did something stupid. If you use your tools in a safe manner EVERY time, there is NO reason you should get hurt. And if you use the tool UNSAFELY and are injured, NOBODY SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE EXCEPT YOU.
So take this whole thing up with the healthcare insurance industry, they are the ones who will ultimately win here.
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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " - Thomas Jefferson
Posted: 11:20 am on March 16th
Yes I know not all lawyers and all laws are bad, but sometimes you need to wonder why we're still in a deppression with high unemployment and a terrible health care system and lawmakers are taking the time to make up this kind of legislation. We as Americans should be totally ashamed by how our education system is now one of the worst in the world now and our lawmakers won't or can't seem to work on that little problem instead of telling me I'm too stupid to use my table saw.
Sorry if I sound like I'm ranting a little.
Posted: 10:46 am on March 16th
Look at all the safety measures they have added to automobiles and the lives saved there.
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moreover, I do not find my use of the word "dope" to be inaccurate or inappropriate. I've been woodworking for almost 15 years and in my experience, there is absolutely no good reason to ever place your fingers in a position to get whacked by a table saw blade. None. I don't care how experienced or famous you are, if you have this kind of accident it is, in my opinion, the result of sort form or measure of operator error, which in my understanding of the english language is a concept sufficiently analogous to the slang "dope" to merit its usage in my previous communication.
Posted: 8:44 am on March 16th
As to government meddling, that's what it took to get children out of coal mines. I am not opposed to safety regs if indeed they are helpful.
Posted: 8:32 am on March 16th
Use tools properly. Don't expect an engineer to do your thinking for you. There are three groups of controls: engineering, admin, and PPE. While we bathe each user in PPE and design the heck out of equipment, most of the faults and accidents are caused by the lack of proper admin controls. What's an admin control? Training and qualification to use a tool or perform a procedure. So you stick saw stop on a table saw... I say so what, the same person who gets careless, or doesn't know what he/she is doing with the table saw is just as likely to not pay attention or misuse the drill press or the band saw.
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The best woodworker I know lost one finger and severe nerve damage to his hand in a table saw accident that the type protection they are considering would have prevented. His ability to earn a living in his chosen trade was severely reduced--that hurts him and society. Accidents happen even to the most skilled and careful and happen more frequently to those less skilled. The costs in medical treatment, physical pain--short term and long term--and, in some cases, professionally can be huge and, due to new technology, unnecessary.
From a cost standpoint, once mandated, the cost of such equipment modification will decline significantly through competition among the manufacturers. That is the good part of mandates, they foster competition which reduces expenses.
One last consideration--no seat belts in cars not only means you don't wear one but your wife and children and guests don't wear them either. Probably not the solution even you want. So it is with tablesaws, perhaps it is a neighbor using your saw for some task because he doesn't own one (unskilled) or your son/daughter using your saw for a school project or just something they are trying to build for themselves. Do you really want them to potentially suffer an injury that can possibly change their lives for the worse because you wanted the freedom not to use technology that could have protected them? I doubt they would agree with your logic.
And as for light bulbs--why should I have to breathe more polluted air because you won't buy a product that is economically neutral in cost (or possibly cheaper) that does the same job? Sorry about that, your freedom stops at my nose and lungs.
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We need to pass legislation that requires all those who use ladders to wear helmets!
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i believe in personal freedom and personal responsibility and the constant enlargement and empowerment of the nanny-state erodes our personal freedom and enables people to avoid the consequences of their actions (which causes me and you to pay more in taxes than we should). simply put, the government has REAL problems to solve...and this isn't one of them. in fact, action such as this only makes the problem worse.
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The European Grand Prix was a race of mixed fortunes for the Honda Racing F1 Team. Rubens Barrichello drove a tenacious race to finish in fifth place – his best result of the year – while Jenson Button retired at half distance.
Jenson made the better start of the two drivers, jumping from sixth on the grid to fourth place after the first corner. Rubens dropped from fourth to seventh.
The Safety Car came out on lap two after the Toro Rosso of Tonio Liuzzi was left stranded on the track. When the race re-started one lap later, both Honda drivers maintained position.
Jenson then lost a place to a hard-charging Kimi Raikkonen on lap three, but he put in an impressive charge up to second place by the time of his first pitstop on lap 21. Jenson was stationary for 8.3s and rejoined the race in 10th place.
Rubens had pitted from seventh place a lap earlier than Jenson. He'd been stationary for 8.5s and rejoined the action in 15th place. During the middle section of the race, Jenson put in another charge through the field, until a suspected engine problem brought his race to a halt on lap 29.
Despite Jenson's problems, Rubens couldn't afford to slow down because he was involved in a fierce battle for fifth place in the latter stages. He withstood immense pressure from Ralf Schumacher and Giancarlo Fisichella and brought his car home 1.5s in front of Fisichella and behind the McLaren of Kimi Raikkonen.
Honda F1 now has just three days to move all of its equipment to Barcelona in Spain for the next round of the World Championship, the Spanish Grand Prix on 14 May.
It was a disappointing end to the European Grand Prix for the SUPER AGURI F1 TEAM as both SAF1 Team drivers failed to finish the race due to separate hydraulic issues. Takuma made an impressive start, however, when he jumped up nine places from his 21st grid position. Franck kept out of trouble during the usual first corner excitement and drove a solid race until his stop out on track on lap 32.
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I love the avant-garde and super artsy challenges because ideally they really separate the creative from the mediocre. Let's face it, to be a successful designer, you need to be able to push the boundaries sometimes. Often we see the judges deliberating between two designers' elimination, and one has no innovation while the other has questionable taste and/or the inability to edit or too many ideas. Nine times out of ten the designer who has too many ideas is spared because usually someone with no creativity never really becomes more creative; however someone who cannot edit can sometimes be reigned in.
Woohoo! It's about freaking time there was a cash prize on "Project Runway"! Thank you, HP and Intel! Now why wasn't this on my season? We see it all the time on "certain other reality competition shows" (sensitive subject): in many challenges, there is a cash prize from a sponsor. All it would take is more work on the producers' or executives' part to make that happen. Sponsors would pay more money and have the brand featured on the show; it's that simple. Instead, even in cases where the designer's look is for a specific retailer (or uniform for a restaurant, etc), that poor designer sees none of the profit, and only receives "exposure." Contrary to what one would think, this really doesn't do a whole lot for them in the longrun. And since no one gets paid to be on "Project Runway," a cash prize is kinda nice.
The challenge is for each team of two to create an innovative "wearable art" look, and a companion ready-to-wear look, incorporating their original print created with the new HP Envy tablet. The designers are in one of the most inspiring places they could be, the fabulous Guggenheim museum. Wait...they only have a HALF HOUR to seek inspiration and sketch? Is that even enough time to walk up the ramp? So sad. So the designers run around snapping photos of things that interest them, and as usual, everything is rushed so they are then whisked back to the workroom to design the textile, where they find a Romper-Room-like array of crafty items like bubble wrap, popsicle sticks and the ubiquitous glue guns. They will be allowed a trip to Mood, thank god, to supplement the craft items and the printed fabric.
When we had our HP print challenge, we had about an hour to create it, not much when you consider the learning curve for some who are not so computer-graphics-savvy, or don't use PCs. Think about all the elements: the main graphic, the repeat, the colors. Not a lot of time, so it's no wonder the prints aren't great. I'm a wee bit scared by Michelle's disturbing face print. Not a fan of the color, and the face is just fug. You know Stanley likely gave her full license on this one since I'm willing to bet he falls under the category of "not computer graphics savvy," since back when we studied fashion design, we didn't learn that. I love that Michelle has a contemporary outlook but sometimes I really see the "Keep Portland Weird" in her (famous bumper sticker you see up there...and it speaks volumes). This is one of those times. Overall, though, it seems Michelle and Stanley are getting on famously as a team.
Patricia and Richard. Oh dear. I feel so bad for Patricia because she is a true artisan, who probably feels excited and right at home in this challenge, and she has been teamed with someone who has zero creativity. At first you'd think that it could be good, right? She takes the reigns and makes the super over-the-top piece, while he makes the watered-down, ready-to- wear piece inspired by hers. Well, Richard was a deer in headlights at the museum, finding nothing inspiring in a building full of inspiration. Oh dear. I lovelovelove Patricia's bold, painterly, large scale print. Richard is simply paralyzed again by Patricia's creation, not knowing what to do partially because she can't articulate what she is making...and partially because he can't use jersey! So, he spends the entire first day making a bracelet. And the quote of the week goes to Patricia: "You scared of my piece? GOOD! If I instill fear in you, at least you FELT something!" Suddenly I really love Patricia. Watch out for that bus, though, Patricia.
Layana and Daniel...another rough team. Layana is being her narcissistic self again and making the challenge all about her. She belittles Daniel and tries to control everything: "I'm going to make sure he makes something sexy..." While he does need some youthful spirit, he does not need to be patronized and bossed around. She then has a meltdown due to creative block. This is definitely the time (towards the end of the competition) when those blocks creep in. Clearly, she reallllly wants that prize, and is her own enemy right now. But everyone is so sleep-deprived and stressed out at this point that it's all starting to take its toll. Reality TV gold (There's a reason we are under such stressful conditions)! Apparently, though, Layana thinks she is all alone, since Daniel (in her eyes) is worthless. She cries it out and starts over.
Michelle and Stanley have high scores. Michelle designed the wearable art look which was a waistcoat with a fantastic hand painted train, painted bubble wrap petticoat (which Stanley executed), and Dr. Seuss (Keep Portland Weird) headpiece. The overall effect of this look was very artsy and avant-garde, so it succeeded there. I happen to like the fact that it had little of the scary face print, but perhaps that detracted from her score? Stanley designed a tiered tent dress out of the majority of the scary face fabric. Anyone out there who'd really buy and wear that? Just curious. I sure wouldn't. I'm dumbfounded that Stanley won for this. One thing I've realized from my experience on the show (and the perspective it has given me): judging can be spun any which way. Tim always used to tell us that too. It must be the earbud judging again. I couldn't help but imagine the judges' spin if it had gone the other way:
Nina: "That print is just SO depressing."
Heidi: "I would never wear that. It looks like a maternity dress. But even if I were pregnant again, it would scare my baby."
Rachel: "Trapeze dresses are so KMart."
Tracy: "Ummmmm..."
Daniel and Layana are basically safe. However let it go on the record that little Miss MeMeMe got bitten in the ass. What a brat! What do you MEAN you feel BETRAYED? Daniel stuck up for himself just as you would have if the tables were turned. In the end Layana produced a hot mess of a dress that may be suited for Helena Bonham Carter....it was cray cray. The print she designed looked like it was from the home furnishings department of Jo-Ann, and was completely wrong for the period-looking gown she designed. Then she haphazardly threw a bunch of tulle over it, and has meltdown #2 backstage. Daniel designed an acceptable ensemble of a well-executed black cocktail jacket with a bubble skirt out of the pillow print. I cannot understand how the judges so wildly praised this look, even though the jacket was well made. It simply looked odd together as an outfit, mainly because the skirt cheapened it.
Patricia and Richard have low scores, which is again due to one extremely weak designer bringing down a strong look. Patricia's unique design was truly avant-garde and reminded me of a high fashion European runway look. I thought the veil was a great addition, but wish it had been executed a bit better, perhaps out of stiffer fabric. But that is just splitting hairs. It was highly conceptual and as looked as if the model was wearing a hand-painted gown. It's such a drag that Richard's sad, inexpensive looking creation brought them so far down. He clearly lacks creativity, which is essential for a successful designer. The skirt was very unflattering, and the added belt cheapened it further. I honestly thought Patricia could win for this look. Her textile design was far superior to Michelle and Daniel's, but unfortunately it's still a "team" challenge.


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A proposal from Alabama lawmakers could shorten the school calendar to less than 180 days while lengthening the school day..
If Gov. Robert Bentley signs the bill, school systems could shorten their year so long as students receive 1,080 hours of instructional time. The Mobile Press-Register reports that the school year would have to end by Memorial Day.
Mobile County is debating whether to shorten its school year to 173 or 170 days. It would add 18 to 25 minutes of instruction time daily under those plans.
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Posted on: 26 January, 2009
A presidential search committee has been formed by the Regional University System of Oklahoma to conduct a national search for the next president of East Central University. Connie Reilly of Okemah, a member of the RUSO Board of Regents, was appointed to chair the committee at the regents' regular meeting on Jan. 21.
The committee also includes Regent Ann Holloway of Ardmore and Regent Michael Mitchel of Alva.
Posted on: 23 January, 2009
An Orange and Black Sweetheart Social will be held on Valentine's Day on Feb. 14 [SATURDAY] at East Central University.
Posted on: 22 January, 2009
The 2008 graduates from East Central University's nursing program attained a 94 percent first-time pass rate on the National Council Licensure Examination (NCLEX). Graduates from all nursing programs in the United States must pass this examination in order to practice as Registered Nurses.
Posted on: 22 January, 2009
Dr. Dwight Myers, chair of the Chemistry Department at East Central University, has been recognized as one of four authors of a "Best Paper" in the Structures and Materials Division at the NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio.
Posted on: 22 January, 2009
Richard Neal, a member of East Central University's chapter of Alpha Chi national college honor society, has been awarded a $1,000 Edwin W. Gaston Jr. Scholarship for Alpha Chi's Region II.
Neal presented his winning paper, "Nixon and the Foreign Policy Paradigm: The New World Order," at the Region II Alpha Chi Convention last April in Seguin, Texas.
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A $1,000 gift from an Ada resident will help two East Central University students travel to Russia next spring to learn more about the country and language they are studying.
Linda Ainsworth made the gift on behalf of her late husband, Gary Ainsworth, an Ada businessman who had made several trips to Ukraine and had taken Russian language classes at ECU taught by Dr. Mara Sukholutskaya, associate professor of English and languages.
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High academic performance during the fall semester has earned listings on the President's and Deans' Honor Rolls for students at East Central University.
Posted on: 14 January, 2009
The East Central University community will watch history in the making with the inauguration of the 44th president of the United States, Barack Obama.
On Tuesday [Jan. 20] ECU will host a viewing of the inauguration on a large projection screen in the Estep Multimedia Center in the University Center. The viewing is free of charge. The doors will be open from 9 a.m. until noon. The swearing-in ceremony begins at 10:30 a.m.


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Post subject: Secret Santa
We are doing a secret Santa at work and im not sure what to get.
I know she drinks, gin & tonic so was looking for a gift set, but cant seem to find one (they do jack daniels, and bacardi ones with miniatures and a glass)
other then that she likes brandy, tia maria, Jacobs Creek pink sparkling wine, and she does a lot of walking (but is not the sort of person to wear big thick socks and stuff, more keeping fashionable)
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Living in the south of England, I decided that air source heat transfer pumps, which can work out to be considerably cheaper than their ground source counterparts – if a little less efficient – were the right choice for my small office building.
Local weather conditions are quite mild by UK standards, so I was fairly sure that I did not need the extra heating power of a geothermal system and the lower installation cost was definitely appealing.
Knowing that many of my friends have considered investing in renewable energy heating systems, either for their homes or business premises, I wrote this short article with the intention of helping them and anybody else who may happen upon it.
Going All In
I had read that air source heat transfer pumps were likely to be more effective when paired with an underfloor heating system, so I decided to go all in and have one installed at the same time.
The reason that it is believed to be easier to heat a property in this manner is because the water that runs under the floor does not need to be as hot as that which runs through radiators, in order to heat your property to the same temperature. Anyway, enough of the science lesson and on with the story.
Installing an underfloor heating system is not something that can be done quickly and easily in an existing property so if you plan to do it in your home, you need to make allowances for the disruption it may cause. For me, this was a minor issue as I was able to leave my office vacant by working from home.
The installation of the air source pumps, on the other hand, was much simpler and if you are planning to use them with radiators or some other heating equipment that is already present in your home, installing air source heat pumps should be a breeze, if you'll pardon the pun!
The Rewards
For the full picture of the various renewable energy heating options, you can take look at the detailed breakdown of the savings that can be made with renewable energy systems, which I found online.
I believe the figures in the article are based on a particular size of residential property and various other assumptions but I can confirm the anticipated cost savings for air source heat transfer pumps: around 36% in my case, which is almost bang in the middle of the 30%-40% range they quote.
Government Assistance
The Renewable Heat Incentive is a government run scheme that rewards homeowners and business proprietors who make the switch to renewable energy heating systems, through quarterly cash payments based on the amount of heat your system is producing.
These payments last for 7 years and can really help to defray the initial installation costs so I suggest that you follow this link now, which will help you calculate the RHI payments you could receive. Whatever you decide to do, I wish you luck with your renewable energy heating system.


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SIKESTON -- Sadye Scoles, 97, died Feb. 8, 2012, at her home.
Born Feb. 27, 1914, in Bardwell, Ky., to the late George W. and Emily Jane Tinnon Dickerson, she retired from International Shoe Company and was a member of the First United Pentecostal Church in Sikeston.
On Feb. 10, 1947, in Sikeston, she married James W. Scoles who preceded her in death in 1986.
Three brothers and four sisters also preceded her in death.
Survivors include: a daughter, Darla Swartz of Sikeston; and three grandchildren, Chrysta Sevic of Lee Summit, Brandon Swartz of Independence and Jamie Swarts of Sikeston.
Visitation will be held from 1-4 p.m. Sunday at the Nunnelee Funeral Chapel where services will be conducted at 10:30 a.m. Monday with the Rev. Rick Lovall officiating.
Burial will follow in the Garden of Memories Cemetery in Sikeston.
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If you're anything like me, you are completely addicted to Starbuck's Pumpkin Latte. This time of year, Starbuck's had a lock on my pumpkin addiction… until now! I played with this recipe until I came up with Pumpkin Latte Perfection! So, save your money and treat your taste buds with this fall morning drink! Oh and how could I forget?! This liquid dream is only 18 calories and 0 WWP+ per cup! You're welcome.
Prep time: 5 minutes
Cook time: 6-8 minutes
Yield: 4 servings
Serving size: 1 cup
- ½ cup Libby's® 100% Pure Pumpkin
- 1 cup almond milk
- 1 tsp cinnamon
- 1 tsp pumpkin pie spice
- 1 tsp vanilla extract
- 3 cups coffee, brewed
- *Stevia (or your favorite sweetener)
- *Optional ingredients are not included in nutrition calculations.
- In a small saucepan over low heat, combine all ingredients except coffee and Stevia.
- Whisk until heated through and mixed well, about 6-8 minutes.
- Pour over brewed coffee. Add (optional) Stevia to taste. Top with cinnamon.
- It can be heated to make another latte or served cold for an iced latte.
Nutrition Information
Per Serving (1 cup):
Calories: 18
Fat: 1g
Carbohydrates: 2g
Fiber: 1g
Protein: 0g
Sugars: 1g
Sodium: 42mg
Vitamin A: 88%
Vitamin C: 0%
Calcium: 1%
Iron: 1%WWP+: 0 points


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Jeremy Jones' Further: Trailer
As nine-time SNOWBOARDER Magazine Big Mountain Rider of the Year, Jeremy Jones is one of the most acclaimed snowboarders to ever strap in. With his new movie, Jones and his band of big mountain bandits aim to ride some of the most remote peaks in the world's most exotic locales. From the makers of Deeper comes Jeremy's second film Further, where Jeremy travels to the ends of the earth to get the goods. Watch the trailer and hold your breath now.Read More


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The mayor of Vicksburg has been indicted on federal bribery charges.
Mayor Paul Winfield was arrested in February and is out of jail on bond.
Officials with the FBI said Winfield took bribe money in exchange for a disaster contract with Vicksburg.
Investigators said the payments totaled $7,000 over two months.
"I would say I would love to talk to you about it, but under advice of counsel, I am unable to talk about the issues that are going on right now," Winfield said.
Winfield is expected back in court sometime next week.


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Samoa Accommodation Satuiatua Beach Fales, Savaii island General Info
Satuiatua Beach Fales, Savaii islandAddress: Satuiatua, South Coast Road, Savaii view map
Satuiatua Beach Fales are the only budget beach fale operation on the South West Coast of Savaii Island. It was initially established to host the many surfers who frequented this corner of Savai'i in Samoa. The traditional Samoan fales are located on the beach to ensure easy access to the water as well as watching the surf. A great place to vacation whether you are a keen surfer or simply wanting to relax by the sea.
Satuiatua Beach Fales is approximately an hours drive from the Salelologa Wharf on the South Coastal Road on Savaii Island.
The main dining fale serves a mixture of Asian and local cuisine. To quench your thirst, a range of mixed drinks and cold beverages are also available.
Guests are invited to join the hosts for a Sunday To'ona'i or feast.
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Integrative and comparative genomic analysis of HPV-positive and HPV-negative head and neck squamous cell carcinomas.
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|Seiwert, TY, Zuo Z., Keck MK, Khattri A., Pedamallu CS, Stricker TP, Brown CD, Pugh TJ, Stojanov P., Cho J., Lawrence M., Getz G., Bragelmann J., DeBoer R., Weichselbaum RR, Langerman A., Portugal LD, Blair EA, Stenson KM, Lingen MW, Cohen EE, Vokes EE, White KP, and Hammerman PS
|Purpose: The genetic differences between Human papilloma Virus (HPV)-positive and negative head and neck squamous cell carcinomas (HNSCC) remain largely unknown. In order to identify differential biology and novel therapeutic targets for both entities we determined mutations and copy number aberrations in a large cohort of locoregionally-advanced HNSCC. Experimental Design: We performed massively parallel sequencing of 617 cancer-associated genes in 120 matched tumor/normal samples (42.5% HPV-positive). Mutations and copy number aberrations were determined and results validated with a secondary method. Results: The overall mutational burden in HPV-negative and HPV-positive HNSCC was similar with an average of 15.2 versus 14.4 somatic exonic mutations in the targeted cancer-associated genes. HPV-negative tumors showed a mutational spectrum concordant with published lung squamous cell carcinoma analyses with enrichment for mutations in TP53, CDKN2A, MLL2, CUL3, NSD1, PIK3CA and NOTCH genes. HPV-positive tumors showed unique mutations in DDX3X, FGFR2/3 and aberrations in PIK3CA, KRAS, MLL2/3 and NOTCH1 were enriched in HPV-positive tumors. Currently targetable genomic alterations were identified in FGFR1, DDR2, EGFR, FGFR2/3, EPHA2 and PIK3CA. EGFR, CCND1, and FGFR1 amplifications occurred in HPV-negative tumors, while 17.6% of HPV-positive tumors harbored mutations in Fibroblast Growth Factor Receptor genes (FGFR2/3) including six recurrent FGFR3 S249C mutations. HPV-positive tumors showed a 5.8% incidence of KRAS mutations, and DNA repair gene aberrations including 7.8% BRCA1/2 mutations were identified. Conclusions: The mutational makeup of HPV-positive and HPV-negative HNSCC differs significantly, including targetable genes. HNSCC harbors multiple therapeutically important genetic aberrations, including frequent aberrations in the FGFR and PI3K pathway genes.
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2008 Year of the Stash! Retiring on Dec 31!
Hi y'all! :waving:
The New Year is fast approaching! Are you ready?
Our 2007 Year of the Stash thread was very well received! The support helped many of us decrease the size of our Yarn Stash! It kept us "stash-minded", didn't it?!
I did good at reducing the amount of beautiful yarn languishing in my YARN JAIL this past year! For those of you who might be wondering, "Huh? What is yarn jail???"
Yarn Jail looks different in every knitter's home. In mine, yarn jail is bags, baskets, bins, trunks and closets! Regardless of what the jail cells look like, the outcome is the same: the yarn is not being used, it is locked up in the dark...and doesn't think it has any hope of getting out any time soon! Parole denied!
Does anyone want to join me in 2008 for another auspicious Year of the Stash?
If so, join me on the Stash Train! :grphug: Post a reply here, and if you want to, post Your Goal! We are in this together! There are no rules. Just try to use your Stash as best as you can! Haul it out, organize it, add up your yardage, feel it, think about it, and get excited about it again! It doesn't matter if your Stash is small or great. If you want to do something about it, you are in the right place at the right time! ( If you are reading this and it is already June, don't worry...the Stash Train makes regular stops for New Stashies! Hop aboard!)
This is my personal GOAL (I think it is realistic for me):
For every Stash Yarn project that I complete...I can buy new yarn for a Reward Project. But, I promise to use the New Yarn Reward within 30 days. I will not "stash" the New Yarn! Otherwise, it amounts to one step forward, one step backwards. My Stash Yarn Totals won't diminish! I want to DECREASE the size of my Stash during 2008! So, I won't stash new yarn purchases. If I buys it, I knits it!
Then I move on to another Stash Project. The skein/hank totals don't matter to me. If a Stash Yarn project uses up just 3 skeins, my New Yarn Reward could be for a sweater that requires 15 skeins! I won't think in terms of skein for skein, hank for hank. I will concentrate on "batches" of yarn that I purchased for some reason or another long ago! :shrug:
At this point in time, my stash could be described as S.A.B.L.E.
(Stash Acquistion Beyond Life Expectancy) :aww: That is not a brag...that is a true confession from a serial yarnaholic.
I am in! I seriously need to get through my stash. I think mine can also be described as STABLE. I love picking up new yarn and always have a project in mind but I buy faster than I knit and I belong to way too many sock clubs. But, its so fun to get yarn in the mail. :yay:
My goal is to take inventory of what I have and make a list of a project or 2 to complete per month. I also need to destash and give away some yarns that I know I will never use. They deserve a good home.
My stash is rather paltry compared to most as we full-time in our RV so space is really limited. I try to contain my stash to 50 skeins but I have managed to squirrel away close to 100 skeins despite telling myself not to buy more until it's under control. I recently completed two sweaters for DH which took care of about 30 skeins. So my goal is to complete three of the four remaining sweaters before buying more yarn AND to strictly adhere to my 50 skein rule in 2008.
I'm in! I went on a buying spree the last few months and now I need to de-stash! i want to finish projects and empty drawers before buying more.
i am in, but i guess my goal is to complete more than i buy. I always buy with a specific project or idea in mind though, it's just the speed at which i knit is much slower than the speed at which i find projects i want to knit ;)
I am hoping for a set of Options for this christmas, since a big problem i have is a limited set of needles in the middle sizes (I have to have multiple WIPs or i completly lose interest in whatever i am knitting) so i am only currently able to have a couple of socks and one worsted weight at gauge project at a time. lace is out, what with my dd running around needing lots of attention still :teehee: large gauge/felting projects are also limited to just one at a time.
Fingers crossed i will stick to my goal and reduce my stash this coming year. Also, i have found ravelry to be such a help at actually SEEING what i have in my stash (and finding perfect project too)
Thanks Artlady (again) :hug:
Hi Ang, Tropicallie, Robynbird, and Jeanius!
Welcome aboard the Stash Train! :grphug:
Thanks for sharing your Year of the Stash goals with us! I think your goal is very reasonable, Tropicallie! The 50 skein maximum is a good goal!
Jeanius, that is also a good goal you have...to use up more than you buy up! :teehee: I do the same thing you do: my mind is racing all over the place, thinking about new yarn and this and that while I am in the midst of knitting something else! Sigh. Like tonight, I could hardly wait to get my 3rd bed jacket (pink) onto the blocking board cuz I am itchin' to cast on for my daughter's Central Park Hoodie! I swatched for it today, and then washed and rinsed it and blocked it. Then I had to force myself to go in and finish the dern bed jacket!
Robynbird, I think your goal is very do-able. Just finish up some projects and get some drawers emptied! I know you can do it, too! You will feel so good about movin' that yarn onto better things!
Well, I am off to cast on for my daughter's CPH! YEAH! It is a real easy knit, but aren't some of the simplest patterns just the cutest ones!?? My daughter loves the model sweater. I bought her the same yarn, too...that leafy green Tahki Donegal Tweed. It is hard to find green tweeds. The Tahki Donegal Tweed is real scratchy (ack) and chemically smelling...but the wash/rinse/and final rinse with hair conditioner added to the water really softened up the swatch and removed all hint of the dye smell.
Well, I am waaay off topic! My bad! Sorry. Don't mean to hijack my own thread!
Knit on, good women!! :knitting: Knit on, good men!! :guyknitting:
I am in. I have yarn on the way, and need to buy yarn for my DH's scarf and then I need to get rid of most of my stash. All of my yarn have projects in mind, but just need the energy to get them done.
I wish i had a stash that I could join in but I only have enough yarn for a few winter projects. so by now and the new year I will have none again but I will keep watching you guys to see what you do with your stash good luck all you stash busters.:grphug:
I'm in again as well. I like your idea of 30 day limit on new yarn, I tended to just add to my stash every time I splurged on new stuff.
One of the things I love about Ravelry is to have a physical view of my stash. Its far from complete though... its one of my goals to complete this holiday season.
I'm in! I have stuff in my stash that I bought "just because" so part of my goal will be to find projects for all those unintended yarns! I also have a ton of patterns I'd like to try, so another part of my goal will be to try to use what I already have for things I want to knit. Only if I don't have anything appropriate, will I use my Reward yarn purchases to buy the yarn for those projects.
And the last part of my goal is to stop worrying about knitting for everyone else and for gosh sakes, making something for ME for a change! :)
Becky, I'm hoping to have some time over Christmas holiday break to add pics of all my stash to Ravelry....right now I just have the list but I agree, I think having the pics right at your fingertips helps you manage it better and assign the appropriate yarn to appropriate projects.
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Partnering for Better Population Health Management
Hospital and health system leaders know the reimbursement transformation is coming—even if it hasn't reached them yet—and they are beginning to form alliances with regional providers to find strength in numbers.
This article appears in the May 2014 issue of HealthLeaders magazine.
As the healthcare industry moves toward value-based payment models, many provider organizations are realizing that they need a population health management strategy and that going it alone may not be the best path forward. Forming a partnership with other providers allows institutions to share best practices, combine resources, coordinate IT efforts, strengthen supply chain purchasing power, and reduce the overall cost of providing care to their patient population. Here, we look at the approaches of three organizations.
Stratus Healthcare
Four years ago, William T. Richardson, president and CEO of Tift Regional Health System, a Tifton, Ga.–based institution with 346 staffed beds and $287 million in fiscal year 2013 revenues, realized the need for aligning forces with other providers after his organization underwent a health readiness assessment with an outside consultant.
"This was before all the indications that are in place now showing that change is really going to happen this time," Richardson says. "We felt we needed to begin taking steps to prepare for the changes we thought were coming. We didn't have scale or size as a small system in south central Georgia, and we felt that we needed scale."
Richardson started by reaching out to Central Georgia Health System to propose the idea of a partnership, and in July 2013, Stratus Healthcare was formed to create a regional network of likeminded hospitals and health systems.
Stratus now includes 29 hospitals and 15 health systems, Richardson reports.
"I identified those organizations in our region who we thought were like us and invited them to join us in a larger collaboration," he says. "Everyone is looking for a niche to achieve scale and size by combining strengths and financial resources. It's been more successful than I originally anticipated. The organizations that are with us want to remain independent. At the end of the day, we do feel that healthcare is local."
Richardson adds that an important element to establishing a successful partnership is cultural compatibility between organizations.


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NEW BEDFORD — Raymond A. Charron, 69, of Rochester, died Saturday, August 30, 2014 at Brandon Woods of New Bedford after a period of declining health. He was the husband of Janet B. (Saba) Charron.
Born in Wareham, the son of the late Lawrence W.S. and Marguerite (Comeau) Charron, he lived in Rochester all of his life.
He was a communicant of Our Lady of Purgatory Church.
Mr. Charron was formerly employed as a machinist at BorgWarner, Inc. for 34 years.
He was a graduate of New Bedford Vocational High School.
He is survived by his wife, Janet; his son, John A. Charron and wife Maribeth Moore of East Freetown; his brother-in-law, George J. Saba of New Bedford; two grandchildren, Jeremy and Hannah; and three nieces and two nephews.
He was the brother of the late Lawrence W.S. Charron, Jr.
His Funeral will be held on Wednesday at 9 AM from the Saunders-Dwyer Home for Funerals, 495 Park St., New Bedford, followed by a Divine Liturgy at 10 AM at Our Lady of Purgatory Church. Burial will be in St. Mary's Cemetery. Visiting hours will be on Tuesday from 5-8 PM.
In lieu of flowers, remembrances may be made to Our Lady of Purgatory Church Memorial Fund, 11 Franklin St., New Bedford, MA 02740.
For directions and guestbook, please visit www.saundersdwyer.com.
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