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Today in Speak Up on Kotaku we're going to put all of the arguing and hate behind us in favor of a good old-fashioned sing along, courtesy of commenter JesusChrist, one of the few people qualified to rewrite a John Lennon song.
To the tune of John Lennon's "Imagine":
Imagine there's no fanboys
It's easy if you try
No flame-wars in the comments
It'd be heaven, don't you lie
Imagine all the consoles
Sharing all their gaaaaaaames
Imagine there's no exclusives
Nothing for trolls to use
Master Chief in Super Smash Bros.
And no religi- err- Why is the sky blue?
Imagine Megaman Legends 3!
Seeing the light of daaaaaaay
You may say that I'm a heathen
The economy will crash!
Monopolies will rule us!
And the fans will be as one!
Imagine that Valve
For once could count to three
Or that Microsoft
Released a new Banjo Kazooie
Imagine that Nintendo
Didn't make the Wii Uuuuuuu
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday this all happens
And the fans will be as one!


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The 2010 Amgen Tour of California wrapped up on Sunday and as predicted, there was nothing ceremonial about the last stage. Michael Rogers was under constant attack on the final ascent of the Rock Store climb by Dave Zabriskie and Levi Leipheimer who trailed the Australian by only nine and twenty five seconds respectively.
Adding to the drama, both Zabriskie and Leipheimer had teammates with them on that final ascent. Rogers, who found himself with no teammates, was definitely vulnerable, but the Aussie rallied to bring back every single attack. This was the type of action the race organizers were looking for when they selected this as their final stage and the three protagonists didn't disappoint.
What the spectators saw was undoubtedly some of the most exciting racing in the five year history of the AToC. Everything hung in the balance and Leipheimer and Zabriskie attacked at will hoping to gap Rogers. At one point, Leipheimer looked to have broken Rogers. Zabriskie quickly joined the Team Radio Shack rider in the move, but Rogers somehow found a way to claw his way back to the two.
Ahead of the fight for the overall championship, George Hincapie was leading the remnants of the day's major breakaway in hopes of salvaging his AToC with a stage win. Hincapie was clearly the crowd favorite and it would have been an emotional victory, but Ryder Hesjedal(Garmin-Transitions) spoiled the show with a late race move that put him in a sprint with Hincapie for the win.
The organizers couldn't have planned the finale any better, other than maybe having an American winner. The eight-day race was exciting from start to finish and should be back next year with even more competitive racing and unforgettable stages.
Michael "Mick" Rogers was the big winner today in the Amgen Tour of California's stage 7 time trial. While his HTC-Columbia teammate, Tony Martin, won the 20-mile test, it was Rogers who beat his two chief rivals Dave Zabriskie and LeviLeipheimer by five and eleven seconds respectively.
Going into tomorrow's final stage, Rogers leads Zabriskie by nine seconds and Leipheimer by twenty five seconds. Normally, that would be enough to call it a wrap, but the AToC's final stage is deceptively difficult and could allow a late race challenge to succeed.
Sunday's stage is four laps of a 21-mile circuit in the Santa Monica mountains. The first 10 miles are flat and fast. The second half of each lap starts with the 2.5 mile Rock Store climb which is followed by another, less difficult, ascent and concludes with a very tricky downhill into the finish.
Because the first half of each lap is flat that will allow a concerted chase to peg back any significant moves. If Zabriskie or Leipheimer wants to gain time on Rogers, their best bet is to put everything into a last lap attack on the Rock Store climb and then hope they have the legs to drive it all the way to the line.
So, the race is far from over. Look for the Garmin-Transitions and Team Radio Shack to be putting pressure on HTC-Columbia from the gun in hopes of softening up Rogers and his mates for a late race attack.
As three-time winner of the Amgen Tour of California(AToC), Levi Leipheimer, predicted the race for the overall title will once again come down to the time trial. With the move of the race from February to May, it was hoped that the longer and more difficult courses would provide some separation, but that was not the case with the top four riders separated by only 14 seconds after 29 hours of racing.
To uplevel the discussion a bit, the race really does need a mountain top finish if it wants to provide a bigger challenge. Leipheimer has been vocal about the lack of such a finish, luckily for him, he is a very good time trialist. But, with the move to May, difficulty means not just adding more climbing, but making that climbing relevant. The fact that critical breakaways were chased down on both Stage 3 and Stage 6 demonstrates that it is not sufficient to put the final climb within 10-15 miles of the finish line.
So, without a mountain top finish, Saturday's time trial will be about as exciting as possible. The three strongest riders, Michael Rogers(HTC-Columbia), Dave Zabriskie(Garmin-Transitions) and Levi Leipheimer(Team Radio Shack) are all excellent time trialists. Michael Rogers is a three-time World Time Trial Champion. Dave Zabriskie has won time trials at the Tour de France and the Giro d'Italia and is a medalist at the World Championships. Levi Leipheimer has won time trials at the Tour de France and the Vuelta a Espana and an Olympic bronze medal.
The one big unknown is the time trialing ability of Slovakian Peter Sagan. The 20 year old is the revelation of the 2010 season. He has shown he can sprint with two convincing stage wins at the AToC (as well as at Paris-Nice and Tour of Romandie) and that he can climb. But, can he go fast in the race against the clock?He is only fourteen seconds out of the lead and could take the jersey with an inspired ride.
Only time will tell :-)
One of the questions I would like answered in this whole Landis versus Armstrong affair is who leaked the E-mails from Landis? Reed Albergotti, the journalist at the Wall Street Journal who broke the story, indicated that he received the E-mails from a source other than Landis. If Landis didn't leak the E-mails then who did?
Allegations aside, I think the identity of the E-mail leaker is one of the most important aspects of this whole affair. Most people have assumed that Floyd just jumped up on the digital soap box and let fly. If Floyd is not responsible for leaking the E-mails then who was the culprit and why did they do it?
Some of the E-mails were posted today on the Team Radio Shack website and one thing that is missing from those E-mails is threats by Floyd to go public with his allegations. In fact, many of the E-mails clearly indicate that what is being said is to be kept private between the parties involved.
I am not saying that Floyd didn't threaten to go public. I am just saying that those who have accused Floyd of making such threats haven't given us any proof of that claim. Sound familiar?
I feel it is very important to identify the person who leaked the E-mails. While Floyd made some very strong allegations, if he did so in private then it changes the whole way we must view this situation. Many have decried Landis for the timing of this whole incident, but if Floyd didn't leak the E-mails then he is not responsible for the timing. That responsibility lies with the person who did the leaking.
Regardless of the content of the E-mails, if Floyd meant them to be private between the parties expressly names in the "To:" and "From:" fields then he cannot be held to blame for what has transpired. We have all had frank discussions which we wanted to keep private. Is that the case here with Landis or did he have a hand in leaking these supposed private E-mails? What is the truth?
Day number five dawned on the Angen Tour of California and the only thing anyone was talking about was the overnight revelations by Floyd Landis that he had used performance enhancing drugs(PED's) and had witnessed a number of racers, including Lance Armstrong, doing the same. Landis supplied names, dates and details of the drug use; the particulars were specific enough to make some believe that what he claimed was true.
At the heart of the whole affair is the credibility of Floyd Landis. For four years he has maintained that he was innocent of the doping offense which stripped him of his 2006 Tour de France title. He even wrote a book proclaiming his innocense. Now, he has done a 180-degree turn and is admitting that he used a wide spectrum of PED's. Are we to believe the 2006-2009 Floyd Landis or the 2010 Floyd Landis?
Added to all the confusion is the claim that Floyd was trying to use this information to blackmail the organizers of the Amgen Tour of California into letting his team pariticipate in this year's race.
If you believe Floyd, from 2002-2006 there was widespread doping in the pro peloton and a number of high-profile American riders besides Lance were involved. If you believe Lance and the other riders, Floyd is down to his last gasp and is just trying to take a number of people down with him as he sinks further into the abyss.
What is really missing here is proof of Floyd's claims. At this point what we have is a "he said, he said" scenario which then brings everyone's credibility into question. Floyd's credibility is not that great. Lance's credibility seems to be pretty high. It really comes down to who do you believe.
Almost all of the time the story at a bike race is about the riders. But, every once and a while something comes along which seems to be a bit more interesting. With apologies to Levi Leipheimer, Mick Rogers and Dave Zabriskie, here's an insight into my last 24 hours.
Stage 3 in the Amgen Tour of California started in San Francisco right down the street from comedian Robin Williams' house. Robin was on hand sporting a gray mustache apparently necessary for an upcoming movie role. Besides Lance Armstrong, Robin is friends with Jim Ochowicz, the president of the BMC Racing Team. Robin came onto the BMC team bus and spent a few minutes putting the riders and staff in stitches.
After the start, I drove directly to the finish in Santa Cruz to watch the race in the press room and work on my articles for the day. I am covering the race for active.com, Cycle Sport Magazine and Cycling Weekly Magazine. That means at least two articles a day.
Once the stage had concluded, I headed to the post-stage press conference. The Amgen Press Officer entered and asked if anyone spoke Italian. I replied in the affirmative and the next thing I knew I was up on the stage seated next to Peter Sagan of Liquigas who was wearing the Best Young Rider Jersey. Peter and I exchanged greetings and I told him to please talk slowly so I could understand what he was saying.
Peter Sagan is one of the huge names in the 2010 racing season. Only 21 years old he has already won two stages of Paris-Nice and a stage at the Tour off Romandie. This guy is going to be a big star. That's a good thing unless you are the interpreter since it seemed like just about everyone had a question for the Italian. Needless to say, everything went well.
After the press conference, I filed my stories and headed over to the Versus TV trailer to pick up Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen. I was emceeing a charity fundraiser with Phil and Paul at the Testarossa Winery in Los Gatos. We had a great time. Phil and Paul told stories that had us all laughing our heads off. They are truly the best.
I got home around 10:30pm and had just enough time to proof my articles for the UK magazines and websites before hitting the sack at midnight.
Unfortunately, I was up at 5am to head down to the start in San Jose to do several TV interviews for KNTV-11 and KRON-4 for their morning shows. It is tough to be awake that early in the morning. Trying to be awake and upbeat is even more difficult.
The sun was coming up as we finished the last interview. I actually had time to drive home and get a couple more hours of sleep before heading back to the start line to catch up with the riders and record a few more interviews including a very nice chat with Johan Bruyneel about Lance's fitness level.
Well, that's how those 24 hours were spent. I didn't stop any terrorists or expose any dishonest members of the Presidential staff. That stuff I leave to Jack Bauer.
There are always more stories surrounding a bike race than just the stuff making he headlines. Here are some stories and accompanying photos.
Usually, each rider has his name on his bike so the mecahnics can tel them apart. For the Amgen Tour of California (AToC) the riders on Team Radio Shack have the name of a cancer survivor on their bikes. Here is a photo of the bike of three-time defending champion Levi Leipheimer. He is riding for Nate Wagner, a 3-year old cancer survivor from Santa Rosa. Nate has a lot of energy, unfortunately he prefers golf to riding bikes.
Several of the members of Team Bissell are having a goatee growing contest during the race. While the judging of such a contest is highly subjective, the consensus is Ben Jacques-Maynes (pictured below) is the early leader.
Paul Mach is a PhD candidate in Mathematics at University of California-Davis. He is a former All American 800m runner who switched to the bike about five years ago. He is also participating in the Bissell goatee contest. He is pictured here wearing the King of the Mountains jersey which he won on Stage 1.
Even though it was raining fairly hard for Stage 2, that didn't dampen the spirit of the fans in Levi Leipheimer's home town of Santa Rosa.
Stage 3 took the riders from San Francisco to Santa Cruz also known as Surf City, USA.
The first two stages of the Amgen Tour of California are complete and while the winner of Stage 1, Mark Cavendish, was no surprise, Brett Lancaster's victory on Stage 2 was not as predictable. In the race for the overall championship, three-time and defending champion, Levi Leipheimer (Team Radio Shack) is still on track for win number four. But, his main challengers, save for Fabian Cancellara, have also finished at the front meaning the race is still far from over.
Stage 1 from Nevada City to Sacramento was held in warm, dry weather and until the race hit the three 2-mile laps of the finishing circuits in downtown Sacramento it was a pretty boring affair. That's not to say that the first day's four man breakaway wasn't deserving of their time off the front, it is just that with the powerful HTC-Columbia team driving the chase, a field sprint was inevitable.
Drenching rain greeted the peloton for stage 2 and it was another breakway which dominated the early and mid-race action, but as in the first stage, the escapees were caught. But, unlike the first stage it wasn't the whole field rather a select group of the overall contenders including Leipheimer, Dave Zabriskie(Garmin-Transitions), Mick Rogers(HTC-Columbia) and Andy Schleck(Team Saxo Bank).
Noticably absent was Fabian Cancellara who started the race sick and succumbed to his illness and ultimately losing fifteen minutes by the stage finish.
Twenty five riders contested the sprint into Santa Rosa with Brett Lancaster(Cervelo Test Team) taking the win over emerging spring sensation Peter Sagan(Liquigas). Lance Armstrong, whose fitness had been called into question before the race, was also part of the lead group. Radio Shack had five of its eight riders in the front at the finish, a strong showing by their team which bodes well for the difficulties ahead.
Because of his stage 2 win and the accompanying time bonus, Lancaster assumed the overall race lead from Stage 1 winner Mark Cavendish. Tomorrow's stage, a hilly test from San Francisco to Santa Cruz will most likely cause a change in overall race leadership as well.
I will be posting updates on the Amgen Tour of California (AToC) on my blog during the race which runs from May 16th->May 23rd. I wrote several preview pieces about the event. Here are the links:
Preview of the Contenders:
Course Preview:
http://www.active.com/cycling/Articles/2010-Amgen-Tour-of-California-Course-Preview.htmI also wrote an article on what Lance has been up to and what he needs to do at the AToC to be on track for the upcoming Tour de France:http://www.active.com/cycling/Articles/Is-Lance-on-Track-for-the-Tour.htmThe AToC is going to be a great. I hope Americans realize how fortunate we are to have a top-level professional bike race in the United States.Bruce
There are several more articles up on the active.com cycling pages.
Here is a pointer to an interview I did with Fabian Cancellara and Stuart O'Grady, both winners of Paris-Roubiax on how to ride the cobbles:
I wrote a second article discussing the merits of the spring Classics season versus the Tour de France, pontificating on which is more interesting:
Here is the link to the article I wrote on the Gran Fondo Colnago San Diego. Props to all 2600 riders who braved some difficult conditions to ride this great event. Sunshine for sure next year!
Click here to see my article on the Webcor Builders 2010 Women's Team presentation:
Here is a link to an article I wrote for active.com on riding with Team TIBCO/To the Top:
I wrote a review of the new Garmin Edge 500 cyclocomputer. You can read it here:
http://www.active.com/cycling/Articles/Garmin-Edge-500-Know-Your-Riding-Inside-and-Out.htmBruceps - executive summary of the review: It is the new gold standard for cyclocomputers.
The Vancouver Winter Olympics are over and I have to say that the big winner is not the Americans who broke the record for total medals or the Canadians who won fourteen golds including a couple in that chase-the-puck sport. No, the big winner was NBC which decided to show a bunch of sports where Americans were not expected, nor did they win, any medals.
NBC's flagship station showed almost all the cross country ski events and most of the biathlon events as well. The competition was excellent regardless of the country of origin of the protagonists. I hope this is a sign of things to come from NBC in future Olympics.
Undoubtedly, the most dominating performance at the Games was Shaun White in Half Pipe Snowboard. Even though this is a judged sport, there was absolutely no question who was the best athlete out there. White is at another level. There is a real possibility that he will be able to break the bond of earth's gravity by the time he competes at Sochi in 2014.
The breakthrough performance of the Games goes to the Men's Nordic Combined team which won four medals, one gold and three silvers, in three events. The USA's men's team typified what the Olympics are all about. Hopefully, the success of the team will inspire young competitors to enter the sport.
When it comes to judging, Apollo Anton Ono was robbed of a medal in the men's 500m. Ono got disqualified for putting a hand on the skater in front of him. The Canadian referee somehow "missed" the hand the Canadian skater put on the South Korean which won him the gold. If you have rules, they should apply to all the athletes not just the ones that aren't from the same country as the referee.
I was pleased to see Steve Holcomb and his four-man bobsled team take gold in that event. After a disappointing showing in the two-man competition he rebounded to dominate and win the gold going away. Redemption is always sweet. Doing it at the Olympics is even sweeter.
I am not going to comment on the opening or closing ceremonies. The pageantry that is the Olympics is better left for the viewer to watch and judge. I am just glad that the organizing committee choose Neil Young to sing instead of Celine Dion or Anne Murray. Good call.
I have to get one dig in at NBC. Jerry Seinfeld's new show, The Marriage Ref, stinks. It is not funny and the couples who are judged on the show have nothing compelling about them to generate any interest about their lives. Shame on NBC for using the Olympics to plug such a flawed concept.
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FoJaR wrote: congress decided to blow up the moon and replace it with a giant robotic witchdoctor monkey head. his name is fojar.
my job is to put spells on arabs and communists so that they throw down their weapons and embrace democracy.
you are fool.
sandoval wrote: aliens and ghosts are both real
just like don knotts said, theres way too much shit out there that we don't know about it'd be crazy to say that they're figments of our imagination
sandoval wrote: i could see how the ghosts thing is a bit far-fetched but all i'm saying is that it's possible
nevermind mind that "...ghosts are real" crap up there, you're right, it's iffy at best, but i think that they're real, i've seen a couple(or so i think) so based on my own experience i'd say they exist but who the hell knows for sure?


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Saturday, October 12, 2013
Pearls and Priced Traditions
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The name and heritage of Mikimoto, the pearl jewelry company that ranks among the world's top luxury brands and Japan's financial leaders of the 20th Century, all started out with the determination and passion of one man: Kokichi Mikimoto. Japanese researcher and entrepreneur Kokichi Mikimoto is recognized as the creator of the first cultured pearl and the father of the cultured pearl industry, which began to take shape when Kokichi established his luxury pearl company Mikimoto in the fashion district of Tokyo in 1899. Mikimoto was awarded patents for pearl cultivation and in 1985 was selected as one of Japan's top 10 inventors in commemoration of his pioneering work. The house of Mikimoto pearls today continues to realize the driving dream of one man, that is, simply to adorn every woman's neck with the pure and precious beauty of pearls.
Find Mikimoto pearls at Shreve & Co on Post Street in San Francisco – trusted retailer for Mikimoto pearls.
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Captain's Report by Dan Armitage
The 180 SP is a new model for Sea-Doo in 2012.
The Sea-Doo 180 SP's Mission
The new-for-2012 180 SP was designed as a crossover, a boat built for those who want a runabout model with the potential for wakeboarding and other tow-sports, minus the price tag associated with traditional wakeboard boats. It is also a good boat for kids because it does not have a prop and can operate in shallow water.
Distinguishing Features
A birds-eye-view shows that the seating options offered aboard the Sea-Doo are impressive for a 17-foot, 7-inch foot boat, with a capacity for seven passengers and the operator. The compact Rotax 4-TEC engine with Direct Drive technology offers a low profile to buy much of that cockpit space for passengers, as does the boat's 98-inch beam.
The 2012 SP (for "Sport") is the first model in Sea-Doo's 180 class equipped with the popular iTC feature.
iTC. Intelligent Throttle Control is drive-by-wire technology offering multiple driving modes to meet specific situations. The operator can run the boat efficiently with lower fuel use, for example, by placing the iTC in ECO mode. For controlled docking, launching and loading, the system can be programmed into Docking mode, which limits rpms while allowing a full throw of the throttle. And there is no cable linkage to get stuck.
The Intelligent Throttle Control (iTC) feature also offers fully customizable Ski and Cruise control modes.
Jet drive. Rather than relying on a conventional propeller, the Sea-Doo 180 SP uses a water pump and propulsion nozzle, through which the water is directed to both propel and steer the boat. The lack of exposed blades makes the boat safer for those swimming off the transom because there is no lower unit and prop hanging low in the water; and the 180 is a good choice for use in shallow water.
Docking mode. Simply shift the 180 into "Docking Mode" and the vessel becomes more docile and easier to maneuver. Short bursts of throttle forward and aft will slide you into any slip.
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The bow cockpit offers passengers angled, wrap-around seating and a filler cushion to create a comfortable pit-style lounge area forward. The filler pad fits under the center forward cushion for storage.
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In addition to the iTC technology, the 180 SP helm comes complete with a satellite-ready stereo system with mp3 port and plenty of power for the boat's four speakers.
An arch tower with integrated tow pylon and built in Bimini top is a standard overhead feature aboard the 180 SP.
The tower folds for low-profile towing and storage.
Underfoot in the cockpit is a locker large enough for stowing wakeboards and other bulky items.
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The 180 SP offers a walk-through transom to the padded swim platform, accessed by a two-step telescoping ladder with plenty of handholds within reach.
The 180 SP is a comfortable, economical, compact cruiser for up to seven passengers.
The 180 SP maintains the raked lines and radical graphics found on traditional wakeboard boats, but in a compact package. With the tower and swing-away tongue on the standard trailer folded, the rig easily fits in a standard one-car garage and doesn't require a V8-equipped vehicle for towing to and from the lake.
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Thursday, March 22, 2012
Two homosexuals sentenced to 2years in prison in Nasarawa State
The pair were sentenced yesterday Wednesday March 21st by Judge Mariga Abdullahi, and ordered to pay a fine of N5,000 each at the beginning of their sentence. Just before the sentence was passed, Mr. Rabiu pleaded for leniency, saying that he is married with six children.
Ifeanyi, on his own part, pleaded the court to forgive him. He claimed to be repentant and promised not to go into the act anymore if pardoned.
The Judge , however, insisted that the law must take its course, saying that the sentence was passed in hope that it will serve as a deterrent to others involved in such unnatural acts.
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Naijas have come again o. And the evidence was what biko? anyways I guess they should still be thanking their starts cos it could have been death by stoning with those primitive Hausa people...Most of them are closeted gays anyways
- March 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM
I see no point of Homosexuality! Have the members of the opposite sex finished in this world or what? If you need tips, I can give you. There's a reason a penis fits perfectly into a vagina and there's a reason only a man and woman can procreate. It is said that Opposites attract and Liketerms repel. Why twist that law of nature? The end times are near. May God help us
- March 23, 2012 at 12:48 AM
Ibo and Hausa gays again?
- March 23, 2012 at 1:04 AM
God av mercy on human beings be it male or female amen
- March 23, 2012 at 1:06 AM
What happened to 14yrs.. Was that law passed outside Nigeria or is Nassarawa not in Nigeria anymore... Mcheeeew
- March 23, 2012 at 1:19 AM
- Bamidele said...
I thought it was meant to be 14 years...Obo n gbo'bo go'pe (Obo = Monkey)
- March 23, 2012 at 1:35 AM
1) Opposites attract have nothing to do with gender differences.
2) What's so profound with heterosexuality, half of you live in loveless relationships, the rest are punching bags, repressed because some uneducated Neanderthal thinks being a man comes from dominating women, and the rest are cheaters. I bet naija's true decent heterosexual men would only make up 2% of the population.
3) You obviously know nothing of biology, you don't choose who you are attracted to, most psychoanalysts would tell you our brains are pre-wired by neurological factors and chemical markers we can not choose to ignore.
Perhaps one day science would develop processes of creating the perfect human, but until then 'shut the front door!' And stop being primitive.
4) Mr 'If you need tips' I can guarantee in a world where there ain't no gay people, you'd be bottom of the food chain. If women sleep with you, its probably because there's no one else.
You're a chauvinist and its men like you that children grow up to see and never want to be like.
In simple terms, if being a straight man is all about fitting a penis into a vagina, then it ain't too appealing.
To wrap up, true love between two consenting adults knows no race, creed, or human boundaries. If you can't see this then you know nothing of love.
If you stop oppressing people and get over your ignorance, maybe people wouldn't have to live a lie. The Married man with kids was obviously forced into that position and now he's dealing with the consequence of conforming.
And stop the BS about law of nature, stop hiding behind the propaganda adopted from oppressive non African religious cults that have enslaved our race for millennia.
People its not African, its not in our culture, what African history book have you read that said a man in 1800s Akwa Ibom was put in a hole for 14 years because he was gay?
- March 23, 2012 at 1:41 AM
I thot the legal term was 14years jail, abi those closet national assembly senators and Co never pass the bill?
- March 23, 2012 at 1:41 AM
- Bamidele said...
Òbo n gbó'bo, gò'pe, Only God knows how many of them we have in our country, even on social networks you see them asking you out, admiring you like a chick...I get pissed! Nonsense!
- March 23, 2012 at 1:43 AM
Whether you like it or not , people will be attracted to whatever they like. Leave homosexuals alone & let God handle it. If its not affecting us directly, y do we care about anyone's sexual activity. After 2 yrs , they will still love what they love. You can't force it.
- March 23, 2012 at 2:49 AM
- Mr JAY SLICK said...
Well, if they wernt guilty they wudnt av pleaded for leniency. Hweva, one stated he had a wife n 6 children, so 'ts actuali not a problem of unavailability of a member of d opposite sex, buh they jes chose to b blindly stupid, phoooooooolz!!
- March 23, 2012 at 3:01 AM
Why can't ppl just leave d gay guys for God to deal with. As long as they ar not hurting other ppl. God is watching and he knows what is right to be done.
- March 23, 2012 at 3:29 AM
these men are sick. They've got wives at home yet they seek homos. What pleasures abound in the butt??????
- March 23, 2012 at 4:13 AM
- Onyema Patrick said...
They are even lucky the prohibitive homosexual Bill is yet to be passed else they will be resting their their HIV infested asses in the dungeon.
And to those Naija copycat lberal wanna-be(s) that will want to argue that their fundamental rights are being taken away should pls show us where it is said that unnatural acts are part of your fundamental bla bla. Ppl complain about freedom without recourse to the fact that if such acts are not nipped in the bud, we will have a situation worse than what is available in the west. Our impressionable kids will be turned homosexuals, ppl will get bold and brazen, bizarre sexual conducts will be given cover under the guise of human rights. Lets not forget that no right is limitless, you are entitled to a right provided you fulfill a pre-requisite to earning such right. The moment you abuse or fail to fulfill those pre-requisites you lose such rights and that is exactly the case here. I doubt if there is any part of the fundamental human rights or the african charter that caters for freedom to indulge in unnatural acts except those twisted interpretations from LGBTs and their gang of renegade activists and apologists who are in the habit of playing the victims to gain undeserved sympathy. I have constantly asked this questions to promoters of such lifestyle and those that like to see them as victims of a harsh societal moral standing that why are efforts not geared towards healing them or helping them function like they are supposed to. I laugh when I hear these deviants claim they have no control on their sexual preference, that is bullshit, the issue of homosexualism is pure nurture and there is nothing nature has got to do with it. Is not like there are gay genes that make you wanna 4ck sb of your own sex. There is a reason a man is fitted with a penis and a woman a vagina. Besides the homosexual lifestyle is an extremely unhealthy one, they are easily affected by all manner of STDs not to talk about the almighty HIV and AIDs. Abeg we need more harsh sentencing like this one to put some jesus and mohammed in them.
Some times humans have to be saved from themselves, I guess that why we have laws.
- March 23, 2012 at 5:42 AM
Thank God the Hausas did not stone them to death. I am sure if I look hard, I will find a sin the judge should be jailed for. This is not murder. Let he amongst you without sin cast the first stone. In that case let us jail all those polygamist, which probably includes the judge. Unnatural after all God made Adam with one wife not multiple wives.
- March 23, 2012 at 5:44 AM
- Omalicha said...
crazy world
- March 23, 2012 at 5:46 AM
how were they caught?
who leaked out the act?
married with six children?
is it in jail, that the act is not performed?
Let God be the judge!
This would simply make the act more exciting, because of the shroud of secrecy and darkness and adventure, that would be involved.
- March 23, 2012 at 6:29 AM
- spicy said...
So much for human rights in naija. Very soon pple will be jailed for fornication and adultery
- March 23, 2012 at 7:01 AM
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- March 23, 2012 at 7:03 AM
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- March 23, 2012 at 7:03 AM
- TruthHurts said...
Ibo boy and Hausa boy dey nack akpako. Who says there's no unity in Nigeria!
- March 23, 2012 at 7:17 AM
What happened to the 14 years jail term?
- March 23, 2012 at 7:20 AM
How can a homosexual be a father of 6 children! May God deliver THEM ooh...
- March 23, 2012 at 7:32 AM
So two men are jailed for 20 years for indulging in acts behind close doors that affect just the two of them...and one man is given 2 and a half years for stealing funds that affect the lives of several Nigerians. I wonder how many years they'll give for fornication.
- March 23, 2012 at 7:48 AM
am speechles
- March 23, 2012 at 7:51 AM
"Primitive Hausa People". Your ignorance so blatantly displayed explains why northerners will always control the money while leaving dummies like u to wallow in their self deceit! Na una sabi pass but u still no get!... Yes! I said it. Take it from so called primitive hausa woman wey sabi pass your judgemental
- March 23, 2012 at 7:51 AM
Two years in prison for being gay!!!..and there are ritualists, armed robbers, fraudulent politicians and thieves walking free...Misplaced priorities!!
- March 23, 2012 at 8:05 AM
they r just demonized. Most get married to avoid suspicion. a pastor was caught bout a week ago at surulere shagging a drummer in his church. he was found with a pack of viagra, a drug that boosts male libido, Rough Rider condoms, cream and fruit juice. such an irritating sight to imagine.
they have all sold their souls to the devil.
- March 23, 2012 at 8:05 AM
- ETHAN said...
Y 2 yrs?I thought it was 14yrs lolo.
- March 23, 2012 at 8:16 AM
- jobsfornaija said...
lol, good for them. Idiots.
- March 23, 2012 at 8:29 AM
- aachy-blog said...
Guy relax...none of them denied it
- March 23, 2012 at 8:30 AM
- aachy-blog said...
I find it strange that while boko haram are busy killing igbo, and igboman was busy having sex with an hausa man. Thatks more like it...freedom to do as you please
- March 23, 2012 at 8:33 AM
Ds hausas might stl kill dem wen deir out of dere ooo*i pirry dem* so dey cn beg,dey shld go n continue in prison na, odes,mschewwww.
- March 23, 2012 at 8:37 AM
- Sufosa said...
disgusting acts.
- March 23, 2012 at 8:39 AM
- Femillionaire said...
To the first comment, hope you know that hausas have homosexual prostitutes...
- March 23, 2012 at 9:01 AM
Some peeps r lower dan animals in Ƨ̷̜̩̌̋o many wayz. Has ever seen a male goat running after anoda male goat or a cock going after anoda cock all in d name of mating? Never. Ƨ̷̜̩̌̋o can anyone plss tell me what į̸̸̨§ wrong wif some people? Very irritating bullshit. By d way, aint they suppose †Ơ̴̴͡ serve 14yrs?
- March 23, 2012 at 9:02 AM
Homosexuality isn't a choice ur either gay or not... I really dnt see the sense in this when we've got bigger things to deal with such as boko haram.. honestly d govt need to get their priorities right... not like sum of these so called 'govt officials are not gay themselves.. Nonsense !!!
- March 23, 2012 at 9:10 AM
I really don't have an issue with people's sexual preference! But how guy take dey find another guy attractive sef?
- March 23, 2012 at 9:50 AM
- Nabteb result released said...
This is awful! I wish they are sentenced to the electric chair!
- March 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM
- Auchi polytechnic said...
This is awful! I wish they are sentenced to the electric chair!
- March 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM
My dear,search me oh....dey were warned,ow can a man wif 6 kids,sleep wif his fellow man,ewwwwwwww...dey r lucky dey didn't get 14yrs.wld av been beta
- March 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM
- Etisalat free cheat said...
Two years too small. They deserve more than that.
- March 23, 2012 at 10:12 AM
- Jamb utme 2012 said...
This is rubbishing in the highest ordering. Lol. They should be sentence to life time.
- March 23, 2012 at 10:16 AM
- chukzy1 said...
2yrs in prison? Dis wasnt wat was passed by mr president, what we knw is 17yrz in jail, why shud dey give 2yrz. We nid to alwayz act according to awr laws.***Yimu*** chukzy1
- March 23, 2012 at 10:38 AM
- NKECHI said...
I think those two should be grateful to God because they would have been striped and stoned to death as it is the norm in that part of the country.
- March 23, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Serves them right
- March 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM
at least they didnt kill them.. The sentence is getting lighter
- March 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM
Good for them is support to be 14yrs in jail self two idiot Man mtcheeeew
- March 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM
Married wiv six children??and i tot they said it was 14 years,aw come they only got 2?
- March 23, 2012 at 11:45 AM
Nawa o. Naija which way na? D should flogg both of them very well in a public place
- March 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM
The lethal combination of Ibo gay and hausa gay is what Nigeria don't need now.
- March 23, 2012 at 12:11 PM
I am, the no Sender.
What? Just two years jail terms and a fine of #5,000?
What publications and electronic media has that Judge been accessing these past 12months? He's never come across 14yrs imprisonment for persons indulging in homosexuality?
This leniency or light jail term maybe so because one of these men may have opened their bum bum orifice to the Judge before; a closet gay perhaps.
- March 23, 2012 at 12:15 PM
by the waY,
there is a gene called GAYospeoisis which is responsible for gay behavior and that gene is prevalent among the Hausa and natural among the Ibo and Ijaw.It is found to be absent in Yoruba species except those children who are products of intermarriage between Yoruba men and ibo women.
- March 23, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Funny enough one of them is married with 6 children and is involved in this unholy act. fools the two years is even small
- March 23, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Naijas We Go HARDDDDDDD!!!!!!
- March 23, 2012 at 12:31 PM
*throws-my-egg-sausages-up*...tanx a bunch Linda. Dis made me puke!!
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- March 23, 2012 at 12:43 PM
- duchessa said...
The world is going crazy
- March 23, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Na wa o. I dont believe in homosexuality, as it is unbiblical. but I honestly wish that this same 'zeal' would be used in meting out justice and bringing our corrupt politicians and leaders that are impoverishing the common man to book. They only went to pruson becos they dont have connections
- March 23, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Is dat really d way 4ward?Dey cn go to prison n start doin it on a larger scale.
- March 23, 2012 at 2:16 PM
I still think homosexuality goes against the natural order of things, but still what do they think they would achieve by sentencing this men to jail. Nigeria and their foolish mispriorities Abeg have they started arresting those big mouthed thief of a politician yet? mshewwwww .... When this men get out of jail all they would have learned is to keep their homosexuality on the down low and hide their intentions better mshewwww rubbish
- March 23, 2012 at 2:24 PM
He has a wife,6 children and a boy friend...mtscheeeew,dirty primitive evil men.The wife shouldn't accept him back
- March 23, 2012 at 2:37 PM
good i love that
- March 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Good judgement.
- March 23, 2012 at 3:24 PM
I guess the act of 'down low' has gotten to Nigeria where men with homosexual tendencies get married and bear children to appease society and then have sexual intercourse with fellow men in secret. I just pity for the wife of the one that is married. This is how STDs spread.
- March 23, 2012 at 3:40 PM
- Gray-Shores said...
I thought it was supposed to be 14 years jail term #thinking aloud#
- March 23, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Nigerians are just about the most ignorant people on earth. I swear! The 14 year jail term is a PROPOSED bill sent to the House of Reps by the Senate. It is not law yet!
- March 23, 2012 at 4:57 PM
I am mostly displeased with anyone who calls himself/herself a christian and is involved with this demonic act of sleeping with same sex. If you do not believe in God and claim you are gay and was born that way, well I really got no issues with u cos u r an unbeliever.
But if u claim to be a believer if God, u are a christian, and u know that God condemns homosexuality in the bible just like he condemns other acts of unrighteousness and u are in support of it because of whatever reason...ahh, I don't know where to categorize u.
The BIBLE said that Homosexual act is wrong as well as adultery, stealing etc...so if u are a christian, do not select the sins that are right and wrong go by the Word of God.
If I claim to be a christian and support gays, and claim they have done no wrong, then I have no reason to be against stealing, beastiality, killing, adultery after all all these are in the bible and they are also recorded as sins.
Please, everybody came into this world witha particular sinful nature, some were born to be greedy, selfish, wicked, unkind amnd some were born to be gay...that doesn't make any of them right. U need to ask God to change u and make an effort to be changed. Ask Jesus to come into ur life and make u a better person.
Trust me, nothing is impossible with God. We have a record of many gay pple that became straight under the power of God. I believ it can also happen to you if u believe....
Do not let this demonic act, rub u the chances of making heaven...( I am talking to those who believe in God, if u dont believe and u don't care to, please waka pass)
Adaeze O.
- March 23, 2012 at 5:05 PM
GBenga.. U don cum again.. U r so messed up in d head.. Psychbob.. Don't knw where u r but pls take a trip down to vauxhall in London and see youruba guys ur cousins and kinsmen included be shagged for money.. Lazy gits.. Like u pointed out the gene Gayopen wateva is common wiv the hausas and d Igbos.. U can understand is inborn by ur analysis but u GBENGA and ur family why get torn behind for money? U r just so crazy.. Why hate the Igbos dis much? Well bin dat ur mum got dumped by an ibo man after much much wiv u GBenga watching as the egocentric ibo man from alaba knacks ur mum akpako.. I fink ur resentment is understandable.. Watch it cos soon na ur wife n daughter go get shagging of their lives by obiviously ibo guys.. Guys wiv so much EGO.. GBenga u go die oooooo!!! Lol
- March 23, 2012 at 5:14 PM
and the point of the photo is? to bring the gay phobia out of your readers. Well judging by the comments it looks like you have succeed. Congratulations!
- March 23, 2012 at 5:30 PM
- March 23, 2012 at 5:39 PM
@ Gbenga you need real deliverance, am sure u are one of them!
- March 23, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Gbenga what have igbo people done to you, please stop hating and get a life...Mtweeeee!
- March 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM
@ Gbenga you need real deliverance, am sure u are one of them!
- March 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM
but if the governor of that state pockets 2billion the magistrate will look the other way....they are not the reason nasarawa state is underdeveloped....lets get our priorities together nigerians please
- March 23, 2012 at 6:15 PM
Mr i know so much about the human attraction blah blah blah, do u know dat 75% of sexually active homosexuals are HIV positive? & less than 10% of staight men are HIV positive? This fight against homosexualism is not just about the traditional norms or the religous moals as the westerners try to portray it to be.
Its about knowing what is right and following the path that is good for us.
BTW stop being a liberal wannabe
- March 23, 2012 at 6:48 PM
I tire o! Let God be the judge who go go hell go go who go go heaven go go! No force Abi na wetin!!!
- March 23, 2012 at 7:00 PM
- March 23, 2012 at 7:10 PM
This is not the way forward Nigeria...
Don't you realize the way homosexuals are being discriminated against because of who they inherently are, is the same thing discrimination that happened to us, black people, from the hands of whites.
The only thing wrong here is that both men were married, they should have never gone there since i' m sure these feelings did not surface after married life.
- March 23, 2012 at 7:10 PM
All these you wrote now doesn't make ONE single sense,using terms that doesn't comprehend,must you write all this,must you comment,I pity your life*oversabi*
- March 23, 2012 at 7:37 PM
the 14years sentence is for conviction for gay marriages....
for more info, both the criminal and penal codes (of many many yrs now) already have stipulations against same sex liaisons, paedophilia and bestiality...
it's just that,for the most part, people(n law enforcement) just look the other way since there r bigger issues to worry abt..that doesnt mean that there's no real law against this!
- March 23, 2012 at 9:27 PM
Them dey tear thier yansh lol
- March 23, 2012 at 9:44 PM
I'm a Christian, not by religious allegiances, but by faith and i'm a gay man. I don't think i'm a woman, I respect women, I don't envy women, I admire their tenacity in dealing with the Baboons that they have to share their strength, beauty and power with. I don't want to be a woman, I like who I was created to be and would love to be nothing else.
You see, you African men don't appreciate that the Women you abuse in the name of being heterosexuals is the abomination and the real act against the natural order. You domestically abuse, cheat on, abandon them with your kids with no support....the list goes on. Yet some of you make promises in the front of God and man to uphold your vows. Hypocrisy.
Every woman wishes their own offspring is more than the man their partner was, and a bunch of you are just useless. you're lazy and selfish and guided by your libidos.
In this age of enlightenment, i'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you are obsolete, behind your back, real women (straight and gay) and gay men have strengthened each others resolve and redefined the rules. No longer in the name of religion (and not faith) will you oppress women or gay men, your usefulness will be reduced to the production genetic material to further the species, until sciences make even that obsolete.
And for the fake women out there, you know who you are, the ones that are homophobic, you are the same ones who abort your kids, who abandon them and sleep with married men to get the latest BlackBerry and have 3 men on the go, making good men turn into disillusioned victims. The ones who have no soul, worst than prostitutes, atleast they live in hardship, you're just greedy and destined to spend your existence in perpetual loneliness. Yes I said it, when I refer to women, I speak of true women, those who may never have had children but appreciate life, and would love with the intensity and honesty a real woman has. You homophobic women are Jezebels and Delilahs, and the wife of Herod. You're poison, you entrap and mislead the weak. But don't worry you're insignificant.
You wonder about the illuminati and the new world order and fear the change that is coming, you should be afraid. The time of the primitive man is finished.
The truth is now revealed your religions and cults are exposing themselves as weapons of destruction, your church leaders are being exposed as frauds and your politicians as criminals, so yeah. Go ahead, throw people in jail for being human and forget for now about the criminals.
When the time of reckoning is at hand, hope to your smalls gods, that have entrapped you in slavery and fear, the ones that have deceived you into believing that you the wife-beater, the undercover child molester or wicked woman are playing for the right team, will not disappoint you.
Yeah, i'm Christian and I've read my Bible and Jesus never mentioned homosexuals, nor is God interested in my bedroom antics, he's more concerned by the content of my heart, and I like every other gay man will receive restitution. for my suffering at your hands.
When you spill the shade of hate, you claim to be followers of Christ (I can't speak for the others) must always first think, what would Jesus do.
This situation is unfortunate, but it furthers our cause, many lives have been lost through the ages so that we may live, that is the law of nature, survival of the fittest.
So go ahead a condemn and the idiot who's talking about 75% HIV in gay men, have you been tested? Lol. Fool, that use circumstantial statistics to further your ignorance.
This is why Wole Soyinka said people should go back to school.
Check the statistics worldwide, gay men are more financial well to do than most heterosexuals of their demography.
- March 23, 2012 at 9:55 PM
what will that married man tell his children,and what happened to the 14 years?let us tell the truth,a man that sleeps with another man has psychological problems cos it just makes no sense,besides,homosexuality is a sinful act that incures the wratth of God on a people,lets not be too liberal as to close our eyes to evil and sin.let us lay the right exampes for our children to follow.
- March 23, 2012 at 9:55 PM
So just to understand, 2 consent adults having a relationship is a crime that requires a prison sentence? What about murder, theft, violence? You give someone 14 years for sleeping with someone, what do you give other criminals.
And when we start bringing children and religion into the equation, doesn't that suggest that our arguments are flawed?
- March 23, 2012 at 10:19 PM
- Onyema Patrick said...
I will like to correct some greatly flawed assumptions that some of us make here with regards to the issue of homosexuality.
First of all, the 14years sentencing for homosexual conducts is not yet a law, it was only passed in the house, it is yet to be argued at the senate or assented by the president.
Now to address some of the half-truths, outright lies, and concocted facts by the posdter that outlined his very baseless arguments in number.
1. "Opposite attracts has nothing to do with gender differences?" Realy? Are you in other words saying that humans by default do attract their opposites, what exactly is the point you are trying make?
2. On what statistical fact do you base such a careless and frivolous claim that half of heterosexual men stay in loveless relationship & only a meagre 2% are decent heterosexual? My guess is that you shit that crap from your ass cos you obviously need the aids of some brains.
3. You even sounded dumber and stupid in your 3rd point. You prolly think you get big points from concocting brainless ramblings and medical jargons that even you obviously do not understand. Shut the hell up if you lack the mental capacity to explain your points.
a plethora of research has been done on determining brain differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Simon LeVay's work on the anterior hypothalamus is the most widely discussed and debated research in the area of sexual orientation and neuroscience. His work was rife with shortcomings that made the results inconclusive. He claimed homosexual men had bigger anterio commissure than their heterosexual counterpart. This part of the brain control sexual desires, however, almost the men he used in his research died of HIV aids, this fact introdiced a new uncontrollable variable to his research, making it unreliable, as it was possible that the large size of the anterio commisure may have been caused by the HIV infection. That study is almost the only recognizeable research that led to the erroneous belief that homosexuality is biological. Hahaha....guy you need your head checked if you are one of those that base your proof of homosexualism being a pathology from birth on the findings of queer science.
4. From your ignorant and pointless rant it is obvious you are gay and are frustrated by the fact that people find your lifestyle disgusting. No amount of anger or gutter language will erase that fact.
And please, if you have got no evidence besides childish temper tantrums dont even bother responding to me.
- March 23, 2012 at 10:35 PM
In the Christian faith homosexuality is mentioned in the old testament and in the epistles but not by Jesus Christ. But how many of the rules in the old testament do we follow? We just pick out one offence that suites our fancy to condemn. How many of you have stoned your wives because she wasn't a virgin when you married her? So we should keep the old testament aside. Looking at the epistles, some versions of the Bible do not even mention homosexuality. Most just use the term 'sexual immorality'. Sadly most do not define the boundaries of that term. Even if one concludes homosexuality is a sin then the only situation when it should be punished is when it is perpetrated on an unconsenting victim or a consenting minor. If we view the situation logically from the christian faith homosexuals should be treated the same way as adulterers and fornicators. If we also view the situation from a functional biological standpoint then we can conclude that homosexuality is an aberration in the fabric of nature. Anthropologically speaking the only natural sexual act should be between a sexually mature male and a sexually mature female. Pedophilia, bestiality, homosexuality are then termed 'sexually deviant behaviours' Putting in the Nigerian factor; homosexuality just isn't part of our culture. Now all this big grammer na just to give una different view points on the matter. I personally feel homosexuality is unnatural with reference to our reproductive function. For Heaven's sake the Maker fitted males with a round peg for a round hole and not a bacteria infested hole. But still I view homosexuals the same way I view fornicators and adulterers and I dont discriminate against them.
I pity our unborn children. They'll probably be exposed to gay rights apologetics before the straight ones. And the way pop culture is going on about this issue they'll soon start discriminating against straight people like us.
- March 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM
Clap for yourself PATRICK ONYEMA you must think you are super intelligent now don't you? Sometimes i wonder how the word dumb don't have an even dumber word for scums like you (I tried refraining from name calling but your post warrants it) All this buffoonery must give your life a meaning well i guess not coz there's a hole where your soul should be.
When the gays are prosecuted, jailed and even killed that surely will bring peace to Nigeria huh provide food for the poor or perhaps bring joy and fulfillment to your home.
Ride on PATRICK with your ignorant raggedy self, someday all the hatred you harbor will confront you in the part that hurt most.
For me & my Fam its live and let others live (as long as you aint hurting nobody, yourself or messing with kids/underage)
- March 24, 2012 at 7:41 AM
Now we know u both r closeted gays.Just kick d door n come out.
- March 24, 2012 at 8:20 AM
U ignorant fool.Get ur facts straight b4 u comment.Polygamy in Islam is not a sin.Have respect 4 oda pple's religion.I wndr what dat bible teaches u.Hatred n intelorance?
- March 24, 2012 at 8:23 AM
Of course u r a lesbian.U jst proved it to d whole wrld.
- March 24, 2012 at 8:26 AM
In case you've all forgotten, the ibo guy is HIV positive. So he's just going to keep on spreading the virus wherever he will be. So sad!
- March 24, 2012 at 9:35 AM
@ anon Mar 23, 2012 01:55 PM I like your comment I am female and you r right, bt also you r very angry, you shld really 4gt these ppl they really can't think most of them, that is why we r where we in the worl! Hissss
- March 24, 2012 at 10:18 AM
@anon Mar 23, 2012 01:55 PM still me I am female, its in the bible about man not laying with man will find it and send it. Its a sin much like fornication.I want to share cos I looked 4 it, but stumbled upon it a few days ago(Many hypocrites here, I am not one to judge).leviticus 18 verse 22. We all have our battles. We shld learn to encourage each other to be better and not point fingers. JESUS said he without sin cast the first stone!
- March 24, 2012 at 10:34 AM
@anon onyema patrick HIV is more prevalent in gay guys because of penetration through the anus, feacal matter, blood staind e.t.c. Ur sexual health clinic will tell you that.I am not homophobic, am just a realist I am female...I have nothing against gay ppl, we r all sinners I am yet to find a pure human being without sin. Hypocrites are the worst ppl they scare the crap out of me....I can't fathom how their brains work.
- March 24, 2012 at 10:39 AM
Re; Onyema,
My sexual orientation is non of your concern, and to be honest whatever it may be, I have no qualms with it.
I have to address some of your arguments here, re; empirical research done into the nature of divergent sexualities.
On the basis of what you have written, it is evident that you are the one who uses circumstantial research to back up your own weak arguments and agenda.
Levay's research into human sexuality was published in 1991 (Over 20 years ago), and lets not forget 'Mr Sensationalist' his work coincided with the spread, hysteria surrounding the Immuno-Virus you refer to (First case 1981), and even though that could have contributed to the inconclusiveness of his research, that does not take away from the fact that he still made some interesting finds.
What I'm curious about is where you get the idea that his research is widely discredited? i that from your church pastor, or are you an eminent scientist yourself, who has carried out similar line of work from a non biased position and found it to be so.
Most people who are educated with see that if he's work was discredited, then that would mean we would have to discredit the findings of other well known psychoanalyst such as Freud and Ulrichs.
Onyema, I am psychology graduate myself, I didn't just fall into cyber space to start rambling like you do, go and do your home work and stop faking intelligence, it's typical though of the Igbos.
Secondly, on the same point, everyone manipulates data to suit their purposes, Hitler used science to justify the holocaust, slavery was justified by science and religion, according to slavers, black people were a subordinate race, on down to the variance in the size of the Medulla. And today geologist and meteorologist have been found to manipulate data either exaggerate human impact on global weather changes or to suggest it ain't happening.
So my friend, science is not fact its open to interpretation, just as religion and law (Hence the 2 year sentence...and to be honest, I doubt that would be a regular verdict...they'll probably suspend the sentences, but pretend to be harsh to placate Neanderthals like yourself)......
- March 24, 2012 at 11:57 AM
....... (cont.)
Thirdly) On you suggest me debunking you statements of opposites attract as just a cliche, as being some kind of affront to all things fact, I really don't know what to say. If you are so adamant bringing foolish village sayings into a socio-scientific debate then you are no different to religious fundamentalist and simpletons.
If you are so attracted to opposites, why not go and hump a stool. Opposites have nothing to do with the evolution of the species. You being a black man, on a more basic level, should be attracted to anything but Black women.
I bet you didnt know that this law of attraction you allude to is more an issue of pheromones, chemical factors that trigger social responses within a species. Nothing is as a simple as man likes woman and that how it must be. You don't get to determine these things, nor those the brainwashing you've received from you embezzler of a church pastor.
Fourthly) About me using on verified statistics, I never gave the impression that I had hijacked my statements from elsewhere, I'm just giving my own opinion, and that is, most Nigerian Heterosexual men are nonentities; Cheaters, Liars, Lazy Boasters, Cheap, Wife Beaters with inferiority complexes.
You are obviously one of them, because you responded with so much venom. If I wasn't addressing you, you wouldnt have come to their defense. You obviously got your priorities twisted, where you should be defending the oppressed, you come in support of the oppressors, lol. Small dick syndrome.
Fifth point) You suggest that people are disgusted by the sexual orientation, then people must serious issues, but I doubt that is the case. You see, the scientific term used for your condition is 'Homophobia', that does not allude to disgust, a phobia is an irrational fear, predominantly in the case of anthropology, a fear of the unknown, so Xenophobia would the same, the fear of other groups or races.
So what really is happening here, is that you are afraid of Gay people. You probably think in your egotistical, meaningless speck of an existence, that some gay man would come to your door and forcefully have his way with you.
That is highly unlikely, gay people have ways, beyond behavioral traits that they recognize each other, and you my friend, have absolutely nothing to worry about, it's probably sympathy or an arranged marriage that ensured you a partner, that's if you are in one. Ask your wife now, go ahead i dare you to ask if you were what she dreamed of when she imagined her perfect man.
Don't be upset, it is how it is when there is no quality, people settle for what is available.
And finally you have so much nerve asking me not respond, you see where we differ is that I'm educated, I don't shy from expression and no primitive, villager done good, would silence free thinking and my freedom of expression.
20 years from now, just like apartheid, this issue would have gone beyond your commentary. You will be there in your old age and it will be these same people you insult building our nation and caring for those oppressed them.
That is the law of nature, that everything must change.
- March 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Mrs Quoting Leviticus 18 verse 22, Stop the nonsense, As Christian, you forget the purpose of Christ coming,... he came because the law was killing people, it is by grace that we are all here, God gave moses 10 commandments, and men in the haste to play God added 100s more, and for that we have stoning, killing and oppression. Even Jesus was hung on a tree in accordance o the law.
When Jesus was asked what law shall we follow, he said I have not come to abolish the la, I have come to fulfil it, he made all so called sins obsolete, by his sacrifice.
He answered; love God with all your heart and soul, and love your neighbour as yourself.
.....Now how does the love between 2 consenting adults then contravene what Christ's command for us was? how do we hate God by being in love, even though it is the love between 2 men or two women, in the same way that some people still frown on interracial or interreligious marriages?
Lets get over using old fashioned values, and nothing is more old fashioned than quoting Leviticus when we know that the same people who gave that LAW killed the person we claim to follow.
Jesus, not once in all his teaching covered homosexuality...love, love, love was all he spoke about, if some followers of his decided to expand, they did so in accordance with their own beliefs.
Be Christians by faith and conscience, not be indoctrination and stop giving yourself over to hatred and manipulation, because some liars and criminals are trying to distract you from the real issues that you should be worried about, the fact that they are stealing from you and oppressing you with poverty.
- March 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM
@anon----When Jesus was asked what law shall we follow, he said I have not come to abolish the la, I have come to fulfil it. Exactly, just because its in the old testament does not mean it does not apply today. Why r u so mad...I am nt here to judge or insult, like I said I am just being realistic, and I stumbled upon this passage. And it covers homosexuality. Yes JESUS precahed love and it is by his grace, that fornicators, adulteres, every immoral sexual act has nt put us in condemnation with GOD. Does not make it right. Like I said we all battle with something in this life....we shld not pretend/ignore it. Pray as ak GOD for guidance to show you what that scripture really means. Becos it took me yrs to come across this, I used to say it is nt in the bible bt I found it myself. I show you love by telling you the truth according to the word, you can accept it or ignore it.
- March 24, 2012 at 12:29 PM
@anon Mar 24, 2012 04:09 AM I am female if you read through my comments again, you will see that we are on the same page, except for the part where I disagree that homosexuality is right, like I said its a sin much like fornication, and like I said JESUS said he without sin cast the first stone, and you took the words right out my mouth JESUS came to fulfill the law not ABOLISH it, I can justify fornication and say I have a bf we are serious we are sexually active but we are getting married, bt that does nt make it right.now homosexuality can be a pardonable sin much like fornication. ( If there is such a thing as pardonable sin, I was having a conversation about this, not sure if there is, bt if there is it must be). It is judgemental attitudes like this that ppl exhibited back In the days, when JESUS preached love....I have nothing against homosexuals we are all humans with feelings.
- March 24, 2012 at 12:39 PM
@anon Mar 24, 2012 04:09 if you refer to our government nd some of our fellow citizens I agree and I ave nt lost sight of that.I am a chrsitain by faith! Like u I read my bible.it is difficult to find ppl with a brain in this country.I see it all over the blogz and everday interraction with ppl. I wish I knew more ppl like you in my life..cheerz
- March 24, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Re; Cloud Seeker,
You were making some valid points until you diverged with some weird associating of terms.
You equating homosexuality (An attraction to persons of the same sex) with adultery (sexual infidelity to one's spouse) and fornication (sexual intercourse between partners who are not married, which most people are guilty of) is not really conclusive.
How does cheating on someone you have vowed spend your life with, have any bearing on two people wanting to be in a relationship, but being prejudiced, criminalized and discriminated against have any moral connections?
Perhaps if homosexuality was not so demonized, homosexuals would probably show the rest of society what real relationships based on true love is, Then probably it wouldn't appear as fornication.
Far worse is you suggesting the relationship between to consenting adults, regardless of the fact that they are of the same gender is somehow relative to sexual deviancy such as pedophilia (Sexual intercourse with a minor) or bestiality (Sexual intercourse with an animal).
How do those compare? do dogs and babies give permission or comprehend the engagement of intercourse?
All your suggestions are coming from a slightly ignorant and biased stand point, where you think homosexuality is just about sex and the acts of it thereof.
OK two men can not conceive, but then there are heterosexuals out there who can not either, they adopt or they find surrogates. What's the shape or supposed use of sexual appendages got to do with anything?
People need to stop spreading falsities, I would suggest you ask a gay man personally what their feelings are and stop listening to propaganda, and using 2000 year old explanations to justify ignorance.
A catholic priest molesting children, or those teachers sleeping with pupils that are in their care do such things for power and gratification, they do it because they abuse their high positions. They are no different from rapist.
A Man or woman living under constant fear of their life, but wanting to love someone just because they have an emotional connection beyond their control is just human.
- March 24, 2012 at 1:09 PM
God destroyed sodom cos of sodomy so don't start saying what you don't know about the bible... In sodom,they were known for this act.... God help all of us.
- March 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Even the VP as in vice president of Nigeria is a frigging faggot. Everyone in kaduna knows that. I can't stand him. Bad luck plus queer equals wat is happening in naija today.
- March 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM
and this gay guys are peoples husband oooo!!! wahala dey.....lord have mercy.
- March 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM
U can be gay all u want, but pls do not come here to say that God or Jesus supports u being gay. Every sin is sin, be it prostitution, adultery or homosexual. And for those of u wondering where it's in the bible in the new testament, here it is....
Romans 1:25-27 CEVUK-EN
They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshipped God's creation instead of God, who will be praised for ever. Amen.
God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.
STOP CLAIMING THAT IT'S OK TO B A CHRISTIAN N B GAY. AND STOP POINTING OUT OTHER PPL'S SINS OUT N CALLING THEM HYPOCRITES. AT LEAST, NOBODY IS PROUD OF DOING BAD. Its not okay when gay pple say, he who has no sin cast d first stone... the issue is not who had no sin, we all have committed one sin or the other. The issue is, IS BEING GAY A SIN AS MUCH AS OTHER SINS? If it is a sin, then hide ur face in shame n ask God to help u. Don't come here saying u r a Christian n it's okay to be gay....do urself a favor, read Romans Chapter 1-end and go figure.
It's one thing to know u r weak, n Sk God to help u, it's totally wrong to say u r sinless n make God a liar, be it gay, adultery, stealing etc....do not select sins that pleases u n say it's okay then be quick to call others hypocrites. Fact is homosexuality n lesbianism is a sin according to the bible.
- March 24, 2012 at 8:36 PM
Faggots faggots faggots. Scum of the earth.
- March 24, 2012 at 8:43 PM
I'm straıght but ı lıke your analogy but ın all ı dont comprehend you sayıng the bıble doesnt condemn homosexualıty cos ıt acrually does from levıtıcus and all the way...
@the end all wıll be judged as u rıghtly stated but ı dnt get how ur statıstıcs of gay men beıng more succesful adds a merıt or how ur ınsult dıscounts the proof of 75% Std claım!
Also ı thınk the world hasnt asked any1 to stop but my partıcular fear ıs ıf gays are allowed all thıer rıghts,what happens when ımbalanced gay men start rapıng men?where do we go from ther?
Ild aprecıate your reply,thank you!
- March 24, 2012 at 10:47 PM
@anon Mar 24, 2012 12:36 PM
Thanks 4 passage this states things clearly here concerning homosexuals in new testament fornication e.t.c. We shld try to help each other be better don't be to quick to be hateful, too many of that going on, I have said my piece, b4 u dish insults out to somebody 4 their wrong ask yourself am I better and pure if not. Be more compassionate and help.
- March 25, 2012 at 4:34 AM
@anon Mar 24, 2012 12:36 PM
My question to you is, its okay to point out being homosexual is a sin and condemn them, but its not okay to remind the condemers that they sin too? Now that's fo sure being a hypocrite if you r quick to condem wen u r a sinner in a different type of sin. The right thing to do wld be to extend a helping hand and advice.
- March 25, 2012 at 4:51 AM
- Onyema Patrick said...
Re: Gay Anon
I care less if you choose to hump your dog in the comfort of your house but the moment you want to make it the darling of every impressionable kid through subtle or open display of your weird act, then it becomes my business, everyone's business, public business and government's business.
Now to address your lies, first let me point out your confusion and apparent lack of grasp you have shown in your hurried and unintelligent reply. While you admitted that Simon Lavey's research had some obvious shortcomings that rendered whatever findings he made inconclusive and can't be used as a basis for conclusive claims, you, in thesame confused state talked about interesting findings, like that did anything to warrant claims that humans can be born gay or are born with gay genes. Stop confusing yourself with mumbo-jumbo jare.
His work may have been carried out 20yrs ago, it still does not remove the fact that his research till date is the most detailed, and well known controversial research on the disparity between the the homosexual brain and that of the heterosexual brain. If you have any claims of any recent research that has been more profound, ground breaking and widely disccused than Simon Lavey's work please go ahead and let us know. You are in the habit of presenting hear-say and baseless assumptions as facts. I am curious that you could not find any profound recent work to back up your frivolous point.
You call yourself a graduate of psychology and you regurgitate this garbage knowledge on cyberspace? Where the heck did an intellectual midget like this one graduate from? I bet your lecturers are worse than you. You should cover your face in shame, you give psychologists a bad name. Imagine how you had to resort to talking about manipulating data and results to suit your twisted aims, I bet that was your method in school.
I had to ask you to give us empirical evidences that same-sex union and homosexuality in general is a problem caused by congenital genetic disorder which can't be blamed on the personal resolve of the homosexuals not to curtail his lewd sexual desires. Nobody is denying the fact that every human being experiences different desires( yeah, the good, the bad and the ugly ones) at some point in the cause of our lives, it does not mean we should succumb to every one of them because we feel them. Your claims of hormonal and genetic imbalances are at best hypothetical, there is no such documented evidence that shows the direct relationship between this hormonal and genetic imbalances and the sexual preference of an individual. Do well to argue your points with references to such a lie; it is like telling us that there exist gay genes or hormones and their presence can turn a human gay. So to such people it feels natural to be sexually excited by members of their own sex. Can we also claim these "gay genes" for Bisexuals or probably they do not have enough "gay genes" to help them decide where to pitch their tent? Can you honestly assert that a majority of homosexuals actually started out as natural homosexuals, with the so-called complicated sexual leanings occassioned by abnormal hormones and genes. So what about heterosexuals that willingly became gay converts; did they all of a sudden wake up to realize they have these defects. Do you wonder why it is prevalent where it is legal to practise it openly as against societies that gave an outright ban to it?? Does it mean there is a direct correlation between the laws that allow it and the spread of this "CONGENITAL genetic" and "hormonal imbalances" of yours that you so vaguely talk blab about. Don't you see the folly of such argument. Lets be realistic here, laws are made to protect humans from themselves, shikena!!
- March 25, 2012 at 7:19 AM
Onyema, its obvious you're intelligent and I'll credit you that, but I'd urge you to be less radical with your views and explore where your intolerance originates from.
Is it a matter of self established observation or a correlation with general consensus, but that often changes. Homosexuality was only legalised in the western world 50yrs ago, under careful analysis and soul searching.
Regardless of Lavey's work, you need to be more open with your ability to analyse and evaluate events and evidence. I would suggest that the purpose of education is to free the mind from manipulation and miseducation. The educated elite have the luxury to think for themselves.
I have no qualms with you, like I said, I can see i'm not talking to an invalid, it just amazes me that you would refer to research and not analyze the world around you with your own eyes.
Don't let the propaganda of pro or anti gay enthusiast draw you into choosing sides based on personal bais. Some people refuse to treat black people with respect because of ignorant miseducation that we are unable to hold rational arguments.
Regardless of our different views, beliefs or way of life, we are still brothers. And I apologise if I offended you, because admittedly I took this debate too personally.
- March 25, 2012 at 11:26 PM
No be 14 years again?????
- March 26, 2012 at 10:09 AM
In simple terms, a sin is a direct violation of the tenets given directly to us by God! 'And God said unto to Moses though shalt not...'
A law is given by men and used in accordance with social norms to develop cultural uniqueness and identify, 'don't eat pork, you must be circumsized, women must cover their heads, you must give tithes, you must not listen to commercial music'....
These appear as religious laws that set people apart from others, giving moral obligations for inclusion within a set.
They differ from legal obligations that focus on moral responsibility, which are based on upholding a humanitarian code of conduct. Which is freedom from fear of persecution, freedom of expression (like Linda uses with her blog) and a pursuit for happiness, through responsible means, based on sound judgement.
Every human being has the right to exist without fear or persecution, and must abstain at all cost from terrorizing and oppressing others for their differences.
Back to the 'Laws Of The Jews' the Bible clearly states that they were God's own people, to separate themselves further onto their God and distinguish themselves further from 'Gentiles' they added laws to the commands given to them. It was these laws that turned them into 'religious zealots of rituals and doctrines' and not followers of God in faith and spirit.
You can build a mountain and stand on top of it and shout how much you love God, but if your heart is filthy then your work is in vain.
From using the Synagogues as Market places, to observing Passover feasts and abstaining from eating certain foods, to not wearing mixed fabrics, they'd lost sight of what matters. Looking to Heaven. And getting there was not complicated, no amount of acting holy and knowing scripture or unfailing prayers would do it, just pure love for God, and his creation.
So yes there is no disputing that there are laws in the bible, the distinction is between what 'is law and what is sin', a sin is not - the smoking of a cigarette or drinking beer, or having an argument with a friend or eating pork or even being lesbian or gay.
A sin is infact what is mentioned in the 10 COMMANDMENTS, the adulterers, fornicators, murderers, covetous, and haters of God (the haters of the image of God in their fellow men).
We are all guilty of something, but still we live by grace, because our faith as followers of 'JESUS's examples is not to pretend to be holy, but letting it show in our works, (what we do for our neighbours, how help the poor and lowly in our societies and how we live by example)
All this; this person is a faggot, this person can not be Christian, he should be put in prison or killed, these comments I have read, including one suggesting that the punishment for homosexuality is somehow a pandemic that is even killing innocent children, is all a bit too pityful. THESE when you analyse them are the true sins. Promoting and delighting in murder!
- March 26, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Human beings, like I've said from the beginning are all created by God, we come in all shapes and sizes, until we see the blueprint to God's creation plans, let's not start claiming we know his intentions and we are privy to speaking on his behalf.
The God we worship today, be it Allah or Yahweh is borrowed, and even the Romans borrowed him, the English redesigned him when they realised the Romans where using Him to make money out of them and then the king had the opportunity to divorce 5 times as a result of his redefining of God.
The Arabs borrowed him from the Jews and the Jews borrowed him from the Ur & The Chaldeans, in what is now modern day Iraq and Iran (an offshoot of Zoroastranism).
Before he arrived on our coast AND OUR CHURCH MEN AND WOMEN BEGAN USING HIM TO GET RICH, we had our own beliefs and our own ways of living. Before IMANS STARTED DECLARING FATWAs, we had our own beliefs.
But indeed there is something special about this 'One God' he loves all people and desire we all just get along. Unfortunately these people that he loves so much don't want to share him, even though they also are privileged to have him.
The Jews, in yearning for exclusivity, made them miss the messiah right in front of them and today they are still waiting for their saviour to come.
Pride making it hard for them to admit they made a mistake.
If I live by the example that Christ set, I will not bondage myself in 'guilt sin' the sin of thinking I've sinned so I should sit in misery, instead I will live my destiny, born into the life I was meant to be born into, not forced into hiding or worse suicide. If that means everyone hates and some want me dead so be it. IN MY GAYNESS, I HAVE HURT NO ONE. And I will forever defend those coming from the hatred I've faced and let people know there is another way, acceptance.
So many people have blood on their hands and don't know it. You terrorize people and they take their lives and fall into misery and depression, you alienate them from family and push them to the fringes of society like outcasts and scapegoats.
What satisfaction do you get from that and what happiness would your God get from that? What about the mother who labored for her child who has to turn her back on her child, because she must abide by society. Stop playing ludo with peoples lives when you can't begin to fathom its purpose.
Being gay is not a sin, it is another example of human existence, it is not about sex, it is not punished by disease (grown in a laboratory), all these things are the lies told to you to fuel your fears (phobia) search your souls and see if you've met a gay person personally that fits the image of a person going to hell, or a person who is a criminal?
When people are paraded on our medias as scapegoats, its often to further an agenda, and though some of those people do good things, they will never be creditted for it.
Though most of you are hardworking, in the western world Nigerians are portrayed as 419 scammers, religious militants and uncivilised/uneducated brutes, this furthers an agenda. No one sees the good sides of our nation, its even getting to the point where we don't either, this will only aid in destabilising our bonds further.
- March 26, 2012 at 10:52 AM
re Onyema, its obvious you're intelligent and I'll credit you that, but I'd urge you to be less radical with your views and explore where your intolerance originates from.
Is it a matter of self established observation or a correlation with general consensus, but that often changes. Homosexuality was only legalised in the western world 50yrs ago, under careful analysis and soul searching.
Regardless of Lavey's work, you need to be more open with your ability to analyse and evaluate events and evidence. I would suggest that the purpose of education is to free the mind from manipulation and miseducation. The educated elite have the luxury to think for themselves.
I have no qualms with you, like I said, I can see i'm not talking to an invalid, it just amazes me that you would refer to research and not analyze the world around you with your own eyes.
Don't let the propaganda of pro or anti gay enthusiast draw you into choosing sides based on personal bais. Some people refuse to treat black people with respect because of ignorant miseducation that we are unable to hold rational arguments.
Regardless of our different views, beliefs or way of life, we are still brothers. And I apologise if I offended you, because admittedly I took this debate too personally.
- March 26, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Re; Sodom & Gomorrah,
I've read my Bible and my faith (Christianity) is not a private members club.
I am fully aware of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and you rightfully mentioned it was destroyed because of sexual immorality. But there's a distinction between people standing outside Lots house attempting to rape members of his house-hold in an act of hatred and human depravity, and 2 men or women who in their hearts have a profound sense of love for one another wanting to live without persecution and abuse in mutual fidelity, within a context of an adult relationship.
Sodomy never referred to homosexuality until VERY recently, perhaps in the last century as a way to demonize gay people it has become popular (Some linguist suggest it could probably originate from the middle ages.
(BUT THERE IS NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT COMBINES THE TWO i.e. Suggesting that Sodomy is Homosexuality),
Read your bible, study semantics and the origins of words. 2000 years ago the word gay did not exist in the context it is used today' as late as the 40s it meant happy. lol. words adapt, evolve and take new meanings everyday.
So I wouldn't even argue this with you because I think you can see the argument fails at the first hurdle.
secondly to the person quoting Paul, and to the ROMANS, even Peter argued he had some radical views. I do not support a team in my beliefs, my faith encourages me to search my soul and listen to my conscience in reference to my beliefs.
The Romans in context to what he wrote to them (Just like the Greeks) had no problem with homosexuality as a cultural phenomenon, the relationship between two men was a natural part of society to them and often it was part and parcel with the right of passage into manhood, and on the darker side, to prevent women from bearing too many children. This was alien to the Jews who God commanded to go out and multiply...so when people began to convert to Christianity (in drovss because Judaism wasn't open to non Jews) Paul gave them suggestions, not commandments directly from God, in how to be 'good Christians in accordance with his own beliefs, from the religion he had previous followed...Judaism'...by suggesting inadvertently that women are not just BABY MAKING MACHINES, a belief that some Religions still uphold.
- March 26, 2012 at 1:33 PM
.....If most 'SO CALLED' Christians had their way, you 'the commentator' would not be allowed to call yourself a Christian. This game of discrimination in the name of pretend faith (religion) is what kills. It is the reason people are forsaking their faith, it is the reason people are dying in their droves, do not let your hands be stained by the blood of the innocent.
The thing people fail to realise is that homosexuals (even the word is filled with negative connotations) are people too, people who want to follow their hearts.
God knows we all want to fit a mould, be taller, be less dark, have straighter hair, muscles, be more accepted by society, but the beauty of faith is that we are made in the image of God, and by God we are all perfect, in his eyes, we are all his Children.
Parents out there would never want to suffer a loss of child, you know how strong that bond is. They might frustrate you, and may never thank you for what you do for them, but you know you love them and would do all you can to protect them, now think of God.
Unless we intentionally hurt our neighbours for self gratification or any excuse, then I will be the first to cry foul play. But all I see is gay men being forced into marriages through societal pressures, dying of diseases because they are to afraid to settle and live relatively stable lives. All I see is gay people committing suicide and being thrown in prisons and being mobbed by animals, who have no value or respect for life.
So if God did infact destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, it was because of Homosexuals, it was because of the sexually immoral, pedophiles, rapist and sexual predators, people who use sex as a means of terror and oppression.
He destroyed for the likes of those people who rape and pillage when there is a war, and those who molest innocent Children in churches, or kidnap women and children for sex slaves.
He didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because Abraham was chatted up by Steve and Lot went clubbing with Musa, and Lot's daughter was living with her long time girlfriend Jemila, and they all lived happily ever after in gay matrimony.
Stop twisting the Bible, go and read it and put things in context.
- March 26, 2012 at 1:33 PM
para....if God did infact destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, it was "not" because of homosexuals.
Apologies for typos, you guys must forgive me, there' a lot of food for thought...and typing blurs into oblivion when you think and write.
- March 26, 2012 at 1:46 PM
na wa for all ese epistles u guys r writing here oh.. becos of 2 grown adults fucking their anus off.. whew!
- March 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM
Haven't we moved beyond such ignorance? Hasn't Wole Soyinka pointed the way? Does anybody choose to be gay? Why should being gay still be an issue in a country with such overwhelming problems as Nigeria has? We lack basics - water and light, education, medical care... the list goes on. Who prosecutes the looters who have put the country in the gutter? All properly studied cultures have gays. The Jews were more or less alone in the ancient world in being fiercely against it. They said they had a divine command to multiply. That made sense, as they were surrounded by hostile nations, and marching onto land which they had to fight to keep. Let this nonsense end. There's nothing wrong with being gay. Exclusive heterosexuality as the global norm is recent in human history. Homophobia reflects historical falsehood. This judgement should be reversed and the two men apologised to and giving a huge sum of money for the suffering they have already endured.
- April 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM
We should be more understanding, if an innocent child was molested by them i would take the same position as most you. But the act was between 2 consenting adults. Hopefully the light sentence should do the trick in reforming their gay minds.
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The most seriously injured survivor of the Indianapolis bus crash that killed three people has been moved out of an intensive care unit and two others have been released from the hospital.
An Indiana University Health spokeswoman says the teenager who was in the Methodist Hospital ICU in critical condition is now listed in good condition.
That teen is among three who remain hospitalized at Methodist and one at Riley Hospital for Children from Saturday's crash. All are listed in good condition. Two teens were released Monday from Riley.
They were among 37 people from Colonial Hills Baptist Church of Indianapolis whose bus overturned at an Interstate 465 exit ramp while returning from a Michigan camp.
The crash killed the church's youth pastor, his pregnant wife and a camper's mother.


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As many commentators have observed, the 2012 London Olympics are the first "social media games" — and boy, are they. Not only does Twitter provide a platform for breaking results and discussing sports, it also gives fans the opportunity to connect with their idols. Just check out the way these folks are using Twitter to bring a whole new level of audience participation to the Olympic games:
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