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SRS|Acquiom today announced the launch of Acquiom|Clearinghouse™, the industry's first M&A payments administration service that is completely online. Acquiom|Clearinghouse reinvents how acquirers disburse merger consideration to selling shareholders in private M&A transactions by allowing paperless and easy submission of all materials and fast payments. Buyers fund one account and are done. Sellers use simple online forms and get paid quickly. M&A attorneys have satisfied clients and no headaches. All at low to no fees.
"The M&A payments process hasn't seen innovation in decades," said Mark Vogel, co-CEO of SRS|Acquiom. "It is burdened with tedious and annoying tasks and paperwork that produce delays, errors, and bottlenecks. Acquiom|Clearinghouse eliminates the hassles and makes the payments process easy and quick for parties on both sides of the deal. M&A payment administration has finally gone online."
"Slow payments is a huge hidden inefficiency in M&A," said Paul Koenig, co-CEO of SRS|Acquiom. "The annual opportunity cost in the U.S. for participants in private M&A transactions is $5 billion. Acquiom|Clearinghouse solves this; we've paid 80% of merger consideration on the day of closing, compared to an industry norm of 6-7 days later. Merger parties and their attorneys no longer have to suffer the pain and hassle of mailing forms back and forth, filling out paperwork by hand, hoping they can still find their stock certificate from years ago and dealing with the numerous errors that inevitably result from completing the process the old way. By moving M&A payments administration online, we've made it fast, simple, and hassle-free."
"M&A deal technology has evolved, but some aspects of the deal process haven't changed for decades. The payments process is one of those areas," said John Hughes, Partner at Sidley Austin LLP, and Chair of the ABA's Subcommittee on Private Equity M&A. "Services like Acquiom|Clearinghouse show what technology can do to make the deal process more efficient from both an economic and practical standpoint."
Acquiom|Clearinghouse allows individuals to confirm their security holdings without mailing paper stock certificates. "Many think online LOT submissions are not possible due to the perceived requirement that original stock certificates be returned," said Steven O. Weise, Partner at Proskauer Rose LLP, and a leading authority on the Uniform Commercial Code. "In fact, UCC § 8-207 provides all the protection the parties need to avoid the hassle of finding and submitting paper stock certificates and the costs of surety bonds when a stock certificate is lost."
Acquiom|Clearinghouse offers these benefits:
- Fast. Payments take hours not weeks. Over 80% of merger consideration has been paid on the closing date. For parties submitting a timely and complete letter of transmittal, the result has been 100% paid on the first possible date.
- Better Economics. Shareholders' money doesn't sit idle. Less time is spent on administrative tasks. The costly transaction processing fees of current methods are eliminated. In most cases the whole service is offered at low to no fees. And, the economics get even better when combined with one of the Enhanced Escrow Solutions distributed by Acquiom.
- Easy. Buyers simply fund one account and then receive daily reports. Shareholders fill in basic information online and e-sign instructions — all on an intuitive user interface. Attorneys deal with fewer administrative hassles. Acquiom|Clearinghouse also quickly distributes third-party vendor payments out of merger consideration, such as those for legal and investment banker fees, or for debt obligations due at closing.
- Greater Reliability and Accuracy. Because shareholders submit and validate instructions directly into the payment system there are no transcription errors. Often a source of complications, a redesigned online Letter of Transmittal (LOT) is intuitive and much easier to complete.
- Secure. Information is protected using state-of-the-art multi-factor authentication and sophisticated risk monitoring analytics.
- No Paper. It's 100% online and environmentally friendly. There is no mailing of paper documents back and forth, including stock certificates.
- Expert Service. The experts at SRS|Acquiom understand "M&A hours." Merger parties get full support from start to finish.
The economics get even better when merger parties choose one of the Enhanced Escrow Solutions distributed by SRS|Acquiom. These offer enhanced yields, reduced fees, and a greatly streamlined process when purchased in combination with Acquiom's payments administration services — often enough to cover the attorneys' fees and the transaction costs of doing the deal. Going with traditional escrows is leaving money behind for no reason.
"Once they see Acquiom|Clearinghouse, strategic buyers, along with private equity, venture capital, and other selling shareholders, won't want to do it any other way," added Vogel.
About SRS|Acquiom®
SRS|Acquiom is the global leader for managing administrative needs in private M&A — innovating new ways to complete transactions that help merger parties to close more efficiently and economically. The affiliated SRS and Acquiom lines of business deliver industry-leading shareholder representation, payments administration, and escrow solutions with a senior-level team of M&A experts, attorneys, financial professionals, and operations and systems experts. SRS|Acquiom has been engaged on 600 M&A transactions comprising $95 billion in aggregate deal value. For more information: srsacquiom.com.
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The Black Caps are bracing for an Indian fightback in tomorrow's second ODI in Hamilton.
Up 1-0 in the series after an excellent 24-run win in the opening match in Napier on Sunday, New Zealand are aware the visitors are going to come back hard.
"They'll be better for the hit-out and I'm sure them being the No 1 one-day team in the world, they'll come back bigger and stronger, Black Caps batsman Ross Taylor said.
India didn't have a warmup game in New Zealand before the series so now that they've got a taste of their surroundings, they should be sharper.
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"The wicket in Napier is probably one of the fastest wickets that we have in New Zealand," Taylor said. "It was probably a little bit slower than what it normally is, it was probably prepared a couple of days earlier for whatever reason.
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That could mean the slower short balls came into the plans on a ground where New Zealand were hammered by the West Indies in the final game of that ODI series this month, Taylor said.
The fourth ODI of this series will also be played in Hamilton.
Taylor, who is coming off a knock of 55 off 82 balls which included just one four, is comfortable with his batting form and believes he's not too far away from where he'd ideally like to be with his one-day game.
"I think my role is to bat in that middle order and set the platform for the guys coming through," he said.
"We know we've got the power hitters in Brendon [McCullum], Corey [Anderson] and Ronchs [Luke Ronchi].
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With Adam Milne ruled out for six weeks with an abdominal strain, Canterbury paceman Hamish Bennett has been called into the team and trained with them yesterday, though it's likely Kyle Mills will come into the playing XI.
Taylor said it was a big disappointment to lose Milne, who clocked over 153kmh in Napier, but the Black Caps had to be smart in how they used him. Mills would probably have come in on this wicket anyway.
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|By Mark R. Hinkle, James Turner
Article Rating:
|November 26, 2003 12:00 AM EST
Mark R. Hinkle: "Linux is ready for the desktop"
In my view, Linux on the desktop is a viable operating system.
It offers many features that are more innovative than commercial solutions. Virtual consoles, secure remote access solutions, true multi-tasking, and the ability to use robust journaling file systems all come to mind. Despite these advanced features, I have also noticed some parallels between Linux and some earlier versions of Windows. Let's term these similarities as "growing pains."
I do feel that there are many cases today where Linux is an inadequate solution, specifically in the area where James Turner's complaint lies - in laptops(docking is my pet peeve) and multimedia. However, I believe James to be a high-needs user; it's my contention that much of the computing world comprises low-needs users. These terms should not reflect poorly on either group, but one group is definitely in the minority.
I think that Windows for example has made convenience an expectation of all users - but that comes with a price. Tight integration between office suites and the operating system have made viruses via Outlook a major productivity concern among MS Office users. Automated installation of software has made it so hard to remove some applications that there is a cottage industry dedicated to "cleaning up the OS." Particularly insidious applications like spyware are difficult to detect and often even more difficult to remove. Centralized configuration repositories like the registry are often so complex that it's a major chore to fix or change settings that rip(out) and reinstall seem to be the only options. However, despite these serious usability and security concerns, Windows is considered to be "ready for the deskop" and is the unarguable market leader.
I believe that, since we have come to expect these problems, we as users have become inured to these obvious flaws. I liken this situation to automobiles. As I was growing up my father owned a car repair shop and auto sales lot. In those days it was not uncommon for us to fix a car in the driveway. Most anything could be repaired with basic tools. He and I were once incredulous at the fact so many people choose to pay to have minor repairs done. Now it's almost impossible for the average person to repair modern cars because of the computers, sensors, and the complexity that includes features that my father probably would never have dreamed of when he bought his first car in the 1960s.
These features come with a price, as they have with my significant other's car, a sporty German model with a glowing blue dashboard and features of all varieties. She recently had an annoying problem with her emissions sensors. The local repair shop 'fixed' the problem and she brought the car home. Once again the problem resurfaced and persistent error messages caused her to return for repairs. After multiple visits the solution was simply to reinstall all the parts because they were too complex to troubleshoot the root of the problem. This disposable mentality disagrees with me. This is the problem I have with Windows: it's often too complex to fix the problem; the alternative is to try to rip out and replace. This method is often less than foolproof. With my Linux PC it's very seldom that I can't repair a problem and a re-install is often much less complicated than in the alternative "ready for the desktop" operating systems.
On my desktop I have installed many variations of Linux including Lycoris and Xandros. I have to say that after installing both of these distributions I had a much more pleasant experience than I ever did installing other OSes. Then again my concerns were very simple. I needed e-mail, Web browsing, office applications and instant messaging. One thing that I also liked was that I very seldom rebooted. In Windows, I felt like I rebooted constantly and memory usage for even the simpler apps could skyrocket right off the chart, grinding my PC to a halt.
As far as Linux on the desktop goes, I think the operating system is very good - it works well, despite some warts. And at the rate it's improving, those "warts" are disappearing quickly. The limiting factor as I see is "application availability." I think this is truly where James' frustration primarily lies, as does mine. Today the availability of well-developed applications as compared to other operating systems is much lower. However, I have a "Field of Dreams" mentality for the Linux desktop, I can hear the whisper through the cornfields saying, "if you build it they will come."
The key is to get application vendors, as the community has already done, to start to make software for Linux on par with their Windows offerings. I think there's a tremendous opportunity for commercial apps on Linux including legal DVD software, personal finance and sales contact managers such as ACT! and Goldmine. Not only do these applications need to address their intended purpose but they need to be easy to install. That end of the business is being addressed somewhat by Lindows with their Click-N-Run Warehouse, but there are not user oriented solutions such as Click-N-Run for Fedora, Mandrake, SuSE and others.
In summary, is Linux on the desktop today a universal solution that is appealing to all? No. Is Linux a solution that can address the needs of a large portion of desktop users? Absolutely. Will Linux on the desktop be the universally accepted solution of tomorrow? Maybe.
See next page for the Counterpoint by James Turner...Linux Is Nowhere Near Ready for the Desktop
Linux Desktop is ready for the market.
For business, we can replace all Window Desktop by using Linux Desktop. About Office, Linux have Open Office, KOffice... About Mail Client, we can choose Mozilla, KMail, Ximian Evolution... About browser, we can choose Mozilla, Konqueror Web... About Application, we can choose Java... I think 70-80% Business user can use Linux Desktop rather than Microsoft Desktop. You know, if these group deploy Linux Desktop, the remainder software supplier will join in and supply the application and most driver as they can. Such as Microsoft now.
Please look back to Apple II computer period, there are too many developer to write the software and game for Apple users because of there are market. Please look at Window 95, after Window 95 user group become large, the application supplier become more.
Therefore, why said "*LINUXWORLD SPECIAL* Is Linux Desktop-Ready Yet...or Not?"
***Not*** "*LINUXWORLD SPECIAL* Is Linux Desktop-Ready Yet...or Not?"
|James C 11/29/03 12:49:42 PM EST
To James Turner,
|howdyboby 11/29/03 12:13:20 PM EST
Is Linux Ready for the Desktop? Well imo it is, and is already there. I never have any problems getting anything running on it, but i also have no problems compiling and modifying code. Now is the Linux Desktop ready for the average home user, well that is to subjective to be answered. Most Home users i know have to call me when the simplest things happen, or if they get a new printer, and i know for a fact very few normal home users are going to know how to setup a wireless network, or network card with out at least a little guidance. From the normal home users that i know there are 2 that run a linux desktop, I setup there computers for them and honestly besides upgrades or installs of new software (thing windows users often also call about) i never hear from them, no virus to really worry about, they don't run with root access so they never messup there own system. The only good thing about windows that i can see is if something goes bad it is easy to format reinstall and get setup again, linux take longer to install and setup, but never has to be formatted on a regular bases either. I understand the "importance" of getting the desktop more user friendly, and chances are that if the wireless card maker about had supplied the drivers for the card to the Linux Kernel development team it would have worked fine. So I would suggest instead of complaining about the card not working as soon as you turned on linux either to write your maker of your card or to code and send a patch (or even just reporting it if its is really a problem with the driver/kernel and not the newbie distribution you are running) to linus or who ever is currently maintaining the network section of the kernel. Other then that you can go back to windows, cause if you are not going to report these problems (yes I understand that this article is a form of reporting them) you should go back to windows, forget linux, and stop bitching about it, as you are not adding anything to the linux community and obviously don't understand how linux, GNU, or community work to better something.
|Agnostic 11/29/03 10:54:16 AM EST
My sympathy to you James, you have entered into a discussion in which you could not possibly win. It is not because your challenges or your arguments are flawed, but it was because you are arguing with the "believer". Your argument would be akin to an attempt to tell a preacher that god do not exist :-).
|Mat Urban 11/29/03 04:52:10 AM EST
I hate this "does not work on linux", "can not do on linux"... stuff. You need to get deeper into the thing if you need to resolve it. Using email client also needs some basic knowledge, but that is obviously the best people can do by themselves! So can I conclude that people are stupid? No, just frightened of new things? Incompetent?
Well for those who praise Windows and their plug and play... HP Scanjet 3300C does not work on Windows 2000 sp4, but there were reports that some managed to do it. Well! In my case Windows is not ready for desktop.
|dilznik 11/29/03 12:12:37 AM EST
1. Your mom doesn't know what the hell WEP is unless she's a sysadmin.
|Bruce Hohl 11/28/03 11:49:53 PM EST
To: James Turner
|Wynndyll Montero 11/28/03 10:42:48 PM EST
Linux is ready for the desktop.
We should not view it's readiness from the point of
If we consider the readiness of Linux based on it's
The problem is that we expect to make our computers
As to ease of use of Linux, it is very, very, very easy to
Take for example car repairing. If we take the windows
Moreover, the hardware comprising desktops are much varied.
In sum, Unix/Linux is the only OS for me. It doesn't take
Peace thru Power;
|ronald rogers 11/28/03 10:42:07 PM EST
i have Lindows 4.0.585 installed on both my laptop and my desktop everything works great on both of them. the cd/rom the dvd player plays movies the hp printer works everything works and it works better than MS XP.I love this os.i have suse on another comptuer and mandtake on another and i tried redhat none of them work as well as lindows and with Lindows i did not have to configure anything!
|Fish 11/28/03 08:18:30 PM EST
I like Linux and I'm writing this on SuSE 9.0. Even so, the challenge before desktop Linux is probably a lot more forbidding than James Turner lets on. People are interested in applications - what they can do with a PC. I don't think they care about the operating system. To a non-technical user, the OS on its own is about as interesting as a block of wood. What most folks are going to ask about Linux is whether it will run their favourite apps (which will all be Win32 apps), their favourite games (ditto) and their favourite hardware (mostly ditto). So long as the answer is "no" or "yes, maybe, but", very few of them will stray far from Microsoft. Linux geeks never seem to understand this. They think the OS is what matters. But for most folks, it's an irrelevance.
|Dave Kanefsky 11/28/03 05:47:56 PM EST
Most people just want to switch their computer on and use it to play games,surf the net and view Dvd.They dont want to have to learn to use anything new.
|Sid Boyce 11/28/03 05:27:15 PM EST
Mike Pellicci says "I still 'fire-up' Windows to get 'real' work done". Quantity 4 linux boxes here, including 2 laptops.
|Mike Pellicci 11/28/03 04:42:15 PM EST
First, let me say that I'm a Linux fan. However, I must agree with much of what James Turner said. I have also been frustrated by Linux lack of support for relatively common hardware devices like wireless cards and DVD players.
Things have been improving. The first breakthrough was when I installed SuSE 8.2 Pro earlier this year. Not only did SuSE do a good job of recognizing my hardware but the desktop applications were very complete and well integrated. I was pleasantly surprised a couple of weeks ago when I installed Fedora (Redhat) Core 1 on my IBM ThinkPad X20. Everything -- including a Linksys wireless card -- was recognized and configured automatically. Linux isn't perfect (yet), but things are improving very quickly.
I still 'fire-up' Windows to get 'real' work done, but I can clearly see the day (not too long from now) when I'll be able to do everything I want to do in Linux.
Mike Pellicci
|Rodd Clarkson 11/28/03 04:41:08 PM EST
James Turner is inconsistent, so it's no wonder he's hard to please.
Yes, he makes some interesting points, most of which related to a lack of support by some hardware vendors and also to rediculous laws designed to protect the wrong parties, but I'll give him his points. It would be nice to have DVD and 11g just work although I'm not sure that these two things alone are blanket enough to write off Linux on the desktop for everyone. If he's right, then I'm going to have to find a new desktop, because Fedora just works out of the box on my HP laptop.
However, when he gets down to requests for a better Linux desktop it seems that Mr Turner would like to have his cake and eat it too. In his list of requirements he demands that the "distribution must ask no questions during install that my mother can't figure out" and then in the very next point says that his "SMC2835W 802.11g card must be up and functioning" including having "been asked for my WEP information". I promise you Mr Turner, you're mother doesn't understand what WEP is.
More importantly, isn't this a double standard? The version of Windows XP install on my laptop doesn't ask any of these questions, and it doesn't give any clues about how this might be set up either, so why would you expect that Linux should. OR, is this just an example of how Windows really isn't ready for the desktop either, but the requirements we have of it aren't as tough as the ones we have of other OSes? For example, why should the install matter at all. Nobody ever worries about the installation of Window in assessing it's desktop readiness, and having recently installed both, I'll bet that your mother fares a lot better installing Linux on a laptop than she does Windows XP. Don't ask her to do a dual boot, just give you a hard drive without any data on it and let her have at it. The disk preparation alone for Windows will leave her wondering how anyone gets any work done on Windows. ;-]
|Bob Henkel 11/28/03 03:11:13 PM EST
I think before you can answer the question you need to define what ready for the desktop means. Everyone from grandma to a neural scientist use a desktop. What some people need is different then what others need. I think in many cases Linux is ready for the desktop. Unless you love to play games at full speed without out using a duck tape approach to running them with mixed performance and results. The Linux Zealots need to open there tunnel vision and see that Microsoft has created a system that is easy for grandma to use yet in most cases powerful enough for a mad scientist to use. And on top of that they have created development tools that knock the socks off anything Linux has making developers flock to it. I'm sorry while Kdevelop is nice and all it doesn't compare to the Visual Studio .NET and if you argue that you are having tunnel vision. Linux still has rough edges that must be cleaned up before it's on the same level as Windows for all kinds of users. Now these edges will be cleaned up it will just take time.
|R. Allen Sanford 11/28/03 12:39:42 PM EST
I feel that if MicrosoftLinux is what you want then try looking here at this http://www.mslinux.org/
|Guy Denruyter 11/28/03 11:43:14 AM EST
I am quite new to Linux, and certainly not very technical. Nonetheless, I managed without any problem to install SuSE 9.0 on my laptop (Toshiba Tecra), including auto-detection of all hardware (incl. WIFI card) and a huge set of applications. Same story on a desktop. Funny thing is I also tried to install XP on the same machine, and this was quite a headache (e.g. during installation, there was no way to make XP point to the correct CD-ROM drive, so I had to manually copy a lot of files - not to speak about the time required to install additional applications).
Moreover, Mr. Turner, my parents were complete computer novices (never did a mouse 'double-click' in their life). I bought them a desktop, installed SuSE, and they are using it without any problem - so (SuSE) Linux definetely has become (grand)parent-proof.
Regarding DVDs, films, realvideo etc, I admit, some work needs to be done. It doesn't run everything out of the box. But then, does XP come with a synthesizer, sequencer, and sampler out of the box?
|James C 11/28/03 11:20:17 AM EST
To James Turner,
James Turner, you have 15-20 years Unix experience... and many many experience in IT field and as a good writer in LinuxWorld. So, please tell me answer. Can you tell me the answer? HAHAHAHAAHA It is so funny and interesting. Your paper is so funny.
If answer is ready, why I can't download driver from vendor/anywhere for my desktop in past, now and future.
Additional :
Well, James Turner, please give me the answer? You are many many experience and is a good writer in LinuxWorld. Please give me answer. Wait for your response soon.
|Stoney 11/28/03 11:08:39 AM EST
I don't know what you do with your xine and make it sound so hard to have it to work. I'm using a Prostar laptop with PIII 1Ghz and 512 MB RAM loaded with RH 9 for past . I have had no problem installing and running xine at all. I just downloaded and installed the packages from xine site, and voila, it has run without a hitch. It plays enscrypted and unenscrypted DVD's.
|ispal 11/28/03 11:04:51 AM EST
God! How stupid can you be... Jesus!
The fact that i'm reading this using a Compaq Armada laptop with a DVD reader, which, by the way i can use to watch movies, with an Orinoco wireless card, all of it working just fine with the Debian testing destribution, should give you a clue that maybe you should try a little harder!
If something is not working, at least i can troubleshoot, and most of the times i will get it right. With other OS, you just accept it as fait and reeinstall it.
Want to be dependent on MS humor? Be my guest! I prefer to recompile my slim-mean-kernel-machine any time i need new harware, to having it consuming resourses with drivers it has no use for.
|sjoseph 11/28/03 10:48:01 AM EST
I think what most people miss in this debate on Linux vs Windows for the desktop is that Windows comes preinstalled on a computer and Linux for the most part doesnt. What this means is that hopefully the Windows computer will work out of the box most time without any additional work on it. Having worked in support for Windows based machines I can tell you that most people would be just a clueless reinstalling their Windows operating machines as Linux. It still takes some work to get everything working on a Windows based machine if the OS is reinstalled , although XP has made it quite a bit easier. Linux is probably at the Windows 98 stage where drivers and whatnot are needed to get a machine running up to speed. So yes Linux may not just work on any particular machine but if the machine came preconfigure with Linux to begin with, with all drivers available then I believe it would be just as simple to reinstall...Lets compare apples to apples.
|Warren Ayling 11/28/03 10:40:52 AM EST
Contentious issue I believe. Mr Turner is quite right in his summation, but it should be noted that laptops (unlike their PC equivalents - with the exception of the latest models) typically employ specialised hardware. The domination of Windows means that drivers are most likely to appear first there (this is more of a marketing issue than technical).
It's rare to say Linux can't run with the new hardware. The open source of Linux means that a skilled engineer can get most hardware working.
Looking for Linux endorsed products helps here. I am fairly new to Linux (1 year now) but have managed to install and configure gateways/routers/Oracle database servers/WebSphere App Servers with only some pain.
If you look at Windows WiFi/bluetooth capabilities six months ago and now, you'll find massive differences.
Six months ago would have needed sound knowledge of Windows to get them working. The same I find is true of Linux. In fact, Linux affords better understanding of key principles. It is a very good platform on which to learn and build solid computing/IT understanding (much more so than Windows).
Today's pricing/marketing and fabrication means that new technology is reaching the typical end-user much faster now than it used to. Where before specialised users and groups would iron many of the warts before a technology/product became mainstream, this is sadly being eroded away.
This in turns (IMHO) means the end-user should be more knowledgeable/competent of the product/platform on which it is targetted if wanting to use such technology/products. The adage that computing should be made easier can surely only be applied to a certain extent; new technology must be except, no?
In fairness, KDE/Gnome go much further than Windows in usability. Given a PC that is 1+ year old, Linux is surely to install with little more interaction than Windows install process - in fact, less so, because on some older kit I have failed miserably to install Windows owing to its dependency on "big hardware". Linux has come to the rescue here.
You should never look at Linux being a replacement for Windows, but look at the two as complementary. The same applies equally to Linux being a complement to existing UNIX flavours like, Solaris and AIX, in the mid-server range.
My opinion. Linux is ready for the desktop. But business desktop, not home desktop. Microsoft has, and will continue, to dominate the home market. No matter what grudge anyone may have, Microsoft are good at delivering solutions for home users - simple and fun.
|zettberlin 11/28/03 10:06:10 AM EST
James Turner wrote:
I must agree, the dep-issue is the major flaw of Linux, still its is true also, that if you buy a mature commercial Distro (Mandrake 9.1 is, SuSE 8.2 also, SUSE 9.0 appeares not...), and stick to its Packagemanager, you get a Desktopsystem as comfortable and reliable as could be.
Dear J.T.: i understand that you are upset, but if you state, Linux is generally not ripe for the Desktop, because
Don`t let the tears of rage blur your judgement ;-)
best regards
|Singleton 11/28/03 09:58:01 AM EST
Coincidentally I recently installed Suse 8.2 on my laptop without a hitch.
|Zair 11/28/03 07:56:38 AM EST
Problem with the no attitude is that, if you take a generic PC or laptop, give the user a Windows XP CD and an MS Office CD and ask them to install their system. There is a fairly strong chance that they will not have a working install without finding specific drivers for their hardware, once they identify what hardware they actually have. They will also need to get any other software they need. As for no hardware support, Windows users may need to wait a long time for hardware to be supported if they upgrade Windows version - simply because the manufacturer has to write them.
The parallels are not identical, but I'm sure that the average Windows user wouldn't have much of a problem using KDE/Gnome if they had to use a system that was pre-configured. Most PCs that end-users buy have most of the software they need pre-installed and ready to use. They do not have to figure out how to install it.
|Waylena 11/28/03 06:52:00 AM EST
Hmmmm. He said that he doesn't want anyone to tell him to buy hardware made specifically for running Linux. Yet the laptop in question was made specifically for running Windows.
I understand that the average joe's mom wouldn't understand or care, but why is the author complaining about lacking autodetection features to us, the Linux community. Shouldn't he be raising this ruckus with manufacturers of components and assembled systems?
If device manufacturers could be cajoled into supporting Linux with drivers, and system retailers would pre-install Linux as they do Windows, it would be a different world, indeed.
|UglyMike 11/28/03 06:40:37 AM EST
There are some many things wrong with the 'No' scenario, it's difficult to decide where to begin...
|UglyMike 11/28/03 06:40:10 AM EST
There are some many things wrong with the 'No' scenario, it's difficult to decide where to begin...
|Martin Laberge 11/28/03 06:23:04 AM EST
The readyness of a system being measured by the ability of Mothers to do an install, I have to tell you that Windows is NOT ready for the desktop, as my mother, and many mothers I know, can't do an install, upgrade, or repair of any version of Windows. In fact I do not know any OS that is ready for the desktop in this regard.
|Roy 11/28/03 05:57:36 AM EST
James Turner will tolerate no excuses. Windows Xp and previous versions of Windows get help in the fact that Hardware Manufactures, if they want the market to except thier hardware, makes sure that their device works in Windows. Laptop vendors usally supply drivers for devices installed on their hardware, or have the OS pre-installed. If you add hardware to ypur computer,you would get a floppy or CD with detailed install instructions that would require his mother to install that device. Not all hardware to be used in Windows will run out of the box. I admit though, I stopped using Windows at Windows 2000 and don't have experience with XP, but I am sure Microsoft has the support of all hardware manufactures to make sure that theier hardware works with XP right out of the box. Linux as yet does not have that support. Chickens and eggs come to mind as far as James Turner requirements for Linux being ready for the desktop is concerned.
|A N Other 11/28/03 05:00:24 AM EST
"In the current situation, you often find that your distribution doesn't have a precompiled version of the driver you need, meaning you need to build it from sources."
Maybe the trick is:
...wget http://somewhere/y.tgz, tar -xvzf y.tgz, cd y, ./configure --with-whatever, make, make install
And show the user 'Installing driver Y' in a nice gtk/qt dialog box with a progress bar? [and a 'more info' button for the curious].
|wazoo 11/28/03 04:07:44 AM EST
Few aspects to linux on desktop:
|Charles Hill 11/28/03 03:38:39 AM EST
1. DVD playback -- Funny, Windows XP DOES NOT PLAY DVDS out of the box. The DVD decoder codec is provided by your DVD player manufacturer. I ran into this the other day when updating an IBM laptop from Win98 to WinXP Pro -- no DVD capability. Shucks, I guess WinXP isn't ready for desktop usage. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/windowsxp/dvdplay.aspx)
1a. Depends on your distro. Try Lindows and their "Click-n-Run" warehouse. Amazing... a single click to install DVD player with licensed codecs to play ALL ENCRYPTED DVDS. $4.95 for members, $39.95 for non-members.
2. 802.11g driver. I've had lots of Windows boxes that don't recognize my hardware out of the box. I am (almost) always prepared with the manufacturer's disk and drivers I downloaded on a different machine. Can't find the driver for your lovely 802.11g device? How about $19.95 for Linuxant's wrapper for the WinXP driver? (http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/) Works with 802.11a and 802.11g equipment in most manufacturers.
So, either download your .isos or get them from a friend and pay nothing for your OS. Then shell out $60 for the software to run the DVD and 802.11g -- still cheaper than $99 - $299 for WinXP.
Or... use Lindows ($60) and shell out the $25 for the extra software and have the benefit of "Click-n-Run" -- which is about 10x easier than Windows software installs.
Mom will be spoiled.
Oh, yeah. No compiling, no kernel configs, no nothing but simple button clicks for the can't-figure-out-the-VCR-clock crowd.
|jeff 11/28/03 03:33:33 AM EST
You said "desktop" but what you really tested was "laptop". Laptops support is a lot less robust than desktop support. Who cares about watching DVD's on a computer? Can't you just use your $29 dvd player for that? Come on? What do you really use your computer for? You should test that, not DVD's.
|Mattias 11/28/03 02:27:36 AM EST
Illegal to download decss? Has there been a ruling I don't know about? It was reverse engeneered in norway, where the guy was found not guilty of the charges he was presented with. And decss doesn't infrig on any patents... so where is the crime?
|basia 11/28/03 02:27:30 AM EST
Qestion is badly addressed: the hardware producers should supply drivers for operating system, not a community of volunteers, who perhaps has to break some idiotic laws. Your DVD player should come with Linux driver, not obligatory open source, but driver.
|basia 11/28/03 02:27:16 AM EST
Qestion is badly addressed: the hardware producers should supply drivers for operating system, not a community of volunteers, who perhaps has to break some idiotic laws. Your DVD player should come with Linux driver, not obligatory open source, but driver.
|James C 11/28/03 01:37:22 AM EST
To James Turner,
Additional :
Well, James Turner, please give me answer? Yoyu are many many experience and is a good writer in LinuxWorld. Please give me answer. Wait for your response soon.
|James C 11/28/03 01:06:51 AM EST
To James Turner,
I have a notebook and want to install Window NT4.0 Workstation Now I can't success install all drivers for my notebook. Based on your assumption, The title should be "*LINUXWORLD SPECIAL* Is Window NT 4.0 Workstation Desktop-Ready Yet...or Not? It is so funny.
If answer is ready, why I can't download driver from vendor/anywhere for my desktop in past, now and future.
>>> James Turner's experience :
James Turner, you are 15-20 years unix experience... and many many experience in IT field and as a good writer in Linuxworld. So, please tell me answer. Can you tell me answer. HAHAHAHAAHA It is so funny and interesting. Your paper is so funny.
|Nils Valentin 11/28/03 12:39:56 AM EST
Hi Bob Robertson, seems like we are in a similar region. how about keeping in contact ?
Dear newt_eye, nice comments and so true !!
|Rob Thomas 11/28/03 12:13:33 AM EST
James Turner Says:
Sounds good. Looks like you have experience... Maybe even as much as I do.
>The scary thing is, even with all that experience, I still >struggle to get everything hunky dorry when I install stuff >onto Linux boxes. There are just too many >interdependencies between various release levels of various >packages, and you can spend forever getting everything >compatible (if you can at all...)
Sure you have all that experience? My son with just a few years of experience has no trouble with the RH distro's. Even grabbing source code and getting it to work for exotic stuff - no big deal. Indeed with your experience I am surprised you would admit to having so much trouble unless you deal with other distro's. Some of them can be toxic waste indeed (put those spears down... not going to say which ones). State your problems with which distro. One hint is don't make things. Keep it standard unless it is absolutely necessary. Get out of the compiling business.
Getting stuff to work under the win os's can be a chore too. I put a bunch of stuff on ebay because the later win OS's simply don't support some of the old hardware. Even then, getting drivers to work right often is not easy. Usually the problems there have to do with USB devices.
>I'm quite aware that DVD viewing is dependent on DMCA >issues, but why are there no commercially available Linux >DVD players (except under Lindows?) A desktop machine >without consumer applications may be a good office desktop >machine, but it's not gonna fly at home.
Again, if you are who you say you are you should be very familiar with the problems with DVD and Linux (or BSD for that matter). It is not a technical one, it is a legal one. Microsoft decided to pay tribute (big bucks) to use the code. Linux by being open makes it really hard to put in an enforcement mechanism so the man keeps control (Hollywood). It is all about control and a failed business model. They keep doing the same thing, the Sony suit in the 1980's with vcr's, casette tapes before that and so on.
Sort of like being anti-war and therefore being pro-saddam in the eyes of others. If you say that neither Linux nor Windows is ready then you seem like a jerk. Common, put your cards on the table. Do you think anything is ready for the desktop? If not then don't say anything at all... didn't your mother teach you that one (if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all)?
The real world out there has business to get done. Is Linux secure - for the most part yes. Sure there is something to be found, however generally it is secure. Is it reliable? Sure thing. If I don't do anything at the kernel level it is very difficult to crash, if at all. My biggest problem keeping the Linux machine up is power to the machine. Is it functional? Sure, I can and do business on them every day. Letters, faxes, web pages, phone systems and so on.
The Largo government seems to do fine with Linux. Do you really want to say that you are not as competent as the secretaries in Largo (and a number of other cities) are? You are supposed to be the man! They seem to PREFER Linux to Windows. If they think it is ready, why don't you? After all, they are the general targets of a desktop.
If you have concerns then say them - Linux is ready, however .... and be definitive.
>And for the record, WinXP Home and Pro install without a >problem on the same laptop that Linux struggles with.
And that laptop is....(dell, compaq/hp, 5 guys... you didn't say). Didn't you take any writting courses? It isn't nice to do that to readers. This is a totally unverifiable statement and is therefore suspect (like it or not). You installed both home and pro on the same laptop? Uh huh. I wonder why would you do that, like to pay M$ money or something?
If money is the issue, you really can send money to the free software foundation. They will gladly take it.
|Linux User in OKC 11/27/03 11:28:33 PM EST
Although I dream of being able to install Linux on any Desktop/Laptop [you used a laptop] without any glitches, I don't think that will be true until there is more support from the hardware manufacturers. I respectfully disagree with your evaluation for the following reasons:
2. DVD reading? In the whole scheme of things, that is really the fault of the DCMA and the MPAA, period. The fact that they are encrypted in the first place due to pure greed. The MPAA is still giving Johansen grief.
3. Is Linux ready for the Desktop? Yes it is, and it has been for a few years. The real reasons Linux is having a problem with becoming adopted on the Desktop are the propaganda from M$, and its supporting venders, but also the *perception* of the average desktop user. Look at the division lines between MS Windows and Apple. It's more a matter of what people are used to. People don't like to change. They would rather suffer the agony of viruses and worms at the risk of learning something new, more secure, more stable, and having the freedom to edit its code. I am not going to waste my time trying to convince Windows users they need to switch to Linux. It's like a frog on a lilly pad. He's not going to jump to another one unless there is something he likes on the other one or there is something he fears if he stays.
4. I would ask a counter question to MS windows users. I Windows ready for the internet? Given its desktop's susceptability to virus or worm every time you turn around. Given its Win 2k/SQL servers nearly crippled the internet in the first part of the year. Ready for the internet? Not until it grows up.
Linux has come light years ahead in technological development and growth much more than MS Windows in the past few years and I expect to see even more in the next.
I hail all the open source developers. I have been using Linux for 6 years and exclusively for 4 years. I have never regretted it for one minute.
|James Turner 11/27/03 11:05:32 PM EST
Nope, I'm talking about Windows XP bought at CompUSA. Sure, I had to download and install some drivers to get everything to work, but it was a matter of going to the vendor's web site and downloading and running a program, in all cases.
And since someone asked, it was SuSe 9.0 I was trying (I finally did get the DVD to work, but the thing is still having difficulty with the network, and may have just crashed because of the driver. I'm going to try going to 2.6 sometime this weekend and see if it fixes anything.)
|Tim Dinkins 11/27/03 10:28:02 PM EST
I don't think that the author has tried to install Windows XP. Obviousely he is referring to Windows XP preinstalled. I have install Windows XP recently and it doesn't do the following:
It takes many hours of work to get a Windows XP install working the way you like it. It can also be a real pain to get all of the drivers working correctly (sound card?).
On the other hand, Suse 9.0 did all of the above without a problem with the exception of playing encrypted DVDs.
|James Turner 11/27/03 09:43:35 PM EST
First off, Mathew Tedder said "I can tell you are not very technically inclined. Your networking issues are very likely not Linux's fault. "
Well Matthew, not to get into a pissing match, but...
I have 15 years experience with Unix varients, worked for two major Unix-based hardware vendors doing technical presales work, wrote the software that BBN used to deploy Unix based web servers into their web farms, owned a Usenet node in 1984, have written three books on J2EE development and am a committer on the Apache Jakarta Struts project. What have you been up to lately?
The scary thing is, even with all that experience, I still struggle to get everything hunky dorry when I install stuff onto Linux boxes. There are just too many interdependencies between various release levels of various packages, and you can spend forever getting everything compatible (if you can at all...)
I'm quite aware that DVD viewing is dependent on DMCA issues, but why are there no commercially available Linux DVD players (except under Lindows?) A desktop machine without consumer applications may be a good office desktop machine, but it's not gonna fly at home.
And why is anyone who criticizes some aspect of Linux automatically a Microsoft apologist? Go look at some of my online columns, I call Microsquish to task on a near daily basis. But I call 'em as I seem 'em, and right now I don't see Linux as something my mom would feel comfortable trying to use.
And for the record, WinXP Home and Pro install without a problem on the same laptop that Linux struggles with.
|None of your business 11/27/03 09:02:20 PM EST
I didn't bother wasting my time reading the debate. The title of the article should have been - Is Window Desktop-ready...or not? I have had enough aggravation installing windows hardware and software (and all of the spy and shit ware out there) that I can honestly say that NO operating system is desktop-ready, particulary if desktop-ready=moron-ready.
|Rob Thomas 11/27/03 08:56:34 PM EST
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My point 2: "Is Linux ready for desktop?" has nothing to do with "Is Linux installation ready for my mother to install on her laptop?". I am sure my mother would have same trouble installing either Windows (any) or Linux.
Rest my case.
|Sid Boyce 11/27/03 06:23:51 PM EST
The difference between a cult and a non-cult is the size of the following, which proves nothing in my book. I haven't ever been able to subscribe to the idea that I should eat carrion on the basis that zillions of flies can't be wrong. Linux has a disparate following that is pretty rough on software authors - at times even Linus has been savaged. I can't see these guys ever putting up with crashes, blue-screens-of-death, viruses, worms and such like - we are a pretty ugly bunch in the face of such things and we have had been burnt by what passes for the de facto desktop. I can truly say that if those problems dogged Linux and not that other operating system, we wouldn't go near it.
|Bob James 11/27/03 04:42:22 PM EST
I think it's high time to stop using that tired old "mythical Mom" argument: that Linux will not be ready until my mother is capable of installing it on the first try on any piece of hardware that she happens to have.
My mother has a computer, true. But that computer was purchased at a local Best Buy with Win98SE installed on it. She did not set the computer up, nor install the OS, nor even so much as install a single piece of software. She would not have the slightest idea *what* a device driver is, nevermind how to get one. She will categorically refuse to open the case for any reason whatsoever. If the antivirus was not set up to autoupdate, she wouldn't do that either. All of her setup and maintenance waits until either I or my brother visit her... and I live 9 hours away. My brother is an hour further than that.
Would she benefit from using Linux? Probably not. She uses AOL for her service provider, on dialup. Would she ever switch to Linux? Perhaps... if every component were set up *for* her. Otherwise no, and she is typical of most users. So you see, the Mythical Mom argument is a straw man. The argument has nothing to do with utility on the desktop, and is therefore specious.
In a later comment, Mr. Turner also points out the cultlike behavior of some of the free software crowd, likening the FSF to a cult, due to some of its adherents's "blind obedience and immediate ridicule and character assasination of anyone who dares to suggest there are ways in which [Linux] could be improved." I'm sure he is not absolving Microsoft adherents from the same; if he's ever been in a meeting with non-technical folks whose sole exposure to the debate over software has been watching the multi-million dollar ad campaigns from Microsoft, then he's also seen people adamantly proclaim that "we *need* Microsoft [fillintheblank]" when they have absolutely no idea what alternatives there are, and they don't care. They only know they "need" Microsoft.
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