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Definition of carouse in English:
verb[no object]
Drink alcohol and enjoy oneself with others in a noisy, lively way: they danced and caroused until the drink ran out (as noun carousing) a night of carousing
More example sentences
- The Middleton Guardian was told that up to 60 vandals regularly invade the grounds and spend the whole night drinking and carousing, leaving a trail of dangerous debris in their wake.
- He looked weary and about three years older - like he had just spent an entire night carousing through Detroit and drinking to his heart's content.
- He is a respectable businessman now but when we were young we terrorised Glasgow's nightclubs, drinking, carousing and doing a lot else I can't mention.
drink and make merry, go on a drinking bout, go on a binge, binge, binge-drink, overindulge, drink heavily/freely, go on a pub crawl, go on a spree;
have a party, revel, celebrate, feast, enjoy oneself, have a good time, roister, {eat, drink, and be merry}, frolic, romp
informal booze, go boozing, go on a bender, paint the town red, bend one's elbow, party, rave, have a ball, raise hell, make whoopee, live it up, whoop it up, have a fling
British informal go on the bevvy
archaic wassail
A noisy, lively drinking party: corporate carouses
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- The Last Supper, or a mere carouse as Ivan had called it (which caused his confinement in the dark shed), came to the apogee.
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- At university, both plunged into a side-life of journalism and nocturnal carousal.
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- The air is warm and still enough that I didn't even need a sweater, and the sidewalks were already lined with carousers.
- These verses have been quoted by Arab carousers though the centuries.
- From the table of rowdy carousers came a loud voice.
Mid 16th century: originally as an adverb meaning 'right out, completely' in the phrase drink carouse, from German gar aus trinken; hence 'drink heavily, have a drinking bout'.
Words that rhyme with carousearouse, blouse, browse, Cowes, dowse, drowse, espouse, house, Howes, rouse
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One More Day/Brand New Day has just about been the most divisive comic book related event that I have seen in many moons. I've been through a ton of these babies, and I have a pretty good ear for what's going to get what kind of a reaction, and even I was stunned by how big of a reaction this thing got. Pick your past controversy (and there have been plenty), and this one puts them all to shame. Mary Jane statue (a good thing about One More Day is that we now have to forget about that statue, right? Thanks, Mephisto!), Captain America being killed, tentacle porn on covers, Batman vs. Al-Qaeda, the goddamned Batman, Avengers Disassembled (help me out here, these controversial things happen so often that I'm running out of examples – there have to be more, right?), all of them pale in comparison to the uproar over One More Day/Brand New Day.
So I have to say that I really don't think Augie De Blieck Jr.'s is right when he says:
Certainly, you say, Marvel's never weathered an editorial storm this big.
Oh, but they have. What short memories we all have. Why, Marvel published a book about it. It had the cumbersome title of MARVEL 2000-2001 YEAR IN REVIEW: FANBOYS AND BADGIRLS, BILL AND JOE'S MARVELOUS ADVENTURES
I really don't see the comparison working here at all, as while 2000-01 certainly had some controversies, none of them were THAT big. So I was hoping that maybe Augie could convince me with his examples, but, well, I remain unconvinced.
But maybe I'm off base. You tell me, folks. You read Augie's piece and tell me if you think the uproar over One More Day/Brand New Day is not much different than the events of 2000-01, as related by Augie in the column.
Heck, for bonus points, just tell me a comic book controversy that you think was bigger than this one, period (and it has to be internet era, consarnit!)!
I'm not convinced by Augie's piece either. There were certainly controversial decisions mentioned, and some eventually even proved themselves right decisions (while some did not). None however, was as insulting and inherently stupid as One More Day. As a result, I don't remember any one of them kicking up this big of a storm.
"Heroes Reborn" was far greater.
Honestly, the only comic controversy I can think of that's on level with this one is "Emerald Twilight."
While I think Augie's iece did not go the right angle in trying to convince the reader that 2000-1 was a bigger controversial year, he does a good job at pointing out the cyclical nature of these things.
The best anaolgy I can think of is a reverse whirlpool. It starts in the middle, small. Then every controversy spirals bigger and bigger until we're now at OMD/BND.
I agree with J. Paul- Augie gets his point about the cycle of controversy across, even if the magnitude is not quite the same.
As for controversies as big as OMD/BND…
Identity Crisis #2. I don't remember if it was as big, but I think rape in the DCU is a whole lot worse than this Spider-Man nonsense. Personally, I don't care much about the Spider-Man reboot (wasn't reading it a few months ago, not interested in reading it now), but I found Identity Crisis tasteless, and the implications of the scenes disturbing.
Sorry if this thread turns into more rehashing of Identity Crisis outrage/ non-outrage.
I think that Identity Crisis avoided the outrage all the way up until the story fell apart at the end.
I remember that people were incredibly into it at the time, right up until the last issue came out, then the backlash really began.
I think Jemas' comments about "bad girls for fanboys" got me, personally angrier, but I don't think the uproar was as big as OMD.
I've gotta agree. I read that article beginning to end and while it seems 2001 had some missteps, but nothing like OMD. First of all, a lot of these missteps are things you only knew about if you're a meta-comic fan, where you read the sites, read Wizard interviews, go to cons, etc. The vast majority of people who like comics only read the comics, the TPBs, or what have you. So a lot of what is mentioned from 2001 likely went over reader's heads, while there is no way anyone who is a fan of ASM could avoid OMD.
Augie doesn't make the case, but it is interesting to see how there are always mini-controversies. The tagging of DC as "AOL Comics" is a fascinating little time-machine nugget.
I think "Heroes Reborn" was probably a bigger controversy… or *would* have been, but the series of tubes that make up the Intarweb hadn't quite progressed far enough for modern amplification and feedback loops to develop.
"Death of Superman" was big, but not especially *controversial* among the comics-reading population, who mostly realized it wasn't going to be permanent but were curious and interested about how it would play out.
You'd have to go all the way back to Heroes Reborn and the worst moments of the Clone Saga if you want to find something as controversial as OMD.
Even so, back in the 90s it seemed like the Image characters were the cool kids now, and Marvel was done for. The controversies seemed muted because there was general despondence among Marvel fans, it was hard to care about what seemed a dying universe.
As for DC, I don't remember anything as controversial as OMD. I think the controversy over the Superman reboot was something that grew more and more after the fact. In 1986, we'd just had 15+ years of poorly-received Superman stories and flagging sales. I know it's hard to imagine it in these days of renewed love for retro-Silver Age, but back then the reboot seemed like the only way to resurrect the franchise.
Imagine if the internet was in the homes of millions when Steve Rogers was replaced by John Walker.
I do think that that one year really broke a lot of the deep emotional connection I had to Marvel Comics ever since I was a kid.
Avengers Disassembled was sort of the last straw a couple of years later, but that year was really the set up for it. It was the end of me feeling the stories and being tremendously attached to the characters. instead of just reading them critically.
There was so much going on that I didn't agree with that it forced me to grow up as a reader or just bail from Marvel in general.
I dunno, as clumsy and awkward as OMD/BND was, it was nowhere near as insulting or outrageously stupid as the average issue of DC superhero book from the past 3 years. I guess that's why I don't complain about this stuff so much, because what's my alternative for reading superheroes? Not only has DC ruined their own superhero books, they ruined Wildstorm too. Somehow they managed to make Grant Morrison and Paul Dini Batman comics uinspiring even. When it comes to nonsuperhero books I have tons of options out there, but in superhero books I only have Marvel. So I'll deal with it. I always know there's worse out there.
The Superman reboot would have kicked a storm if Internet existed. John Byrne STILL gets a lot of flak for it, more that TWENTY years later and after most of the changes were long undone!
You don't see that for, say, his more recent Spider-Man or Doom Patrol reboots, but his Superman reboot is still badmouthed daily all over the internet!
For everyone that dislikes the man's attitude, I would like to see how *you* would react to the world when you are dissed for something you did over 20 years ago.
(Something that was quite sucessful on its time and helped the character A LOT, I must add.)
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)
Yeah, nothing in 2001 was as controversial as what happened
As for other events that caused controversy, an obvious example is Joe Q's other genie, Decimation, although nothing since Clone Saga, except maybe Heroes Reborn, was this controversial.
I'd say Heroes Reborn was more controversial. But then again Heroes Reborn (in my opinion) ruined all the Marvel titles I was reading at the time and drove me away from Marvel in general for over 5 years. I don't read Spider-Man, so I'm obviously going to lean more toawrds Reborn.
T., does every post you make have to be about bashing DC even though we both know that Marvel's comics are as equally bad and good at times? C'mon.
If you're jonesing for superhero books that aren't lame, continuity driven messes, check out Invincible, Noble Causes, and Dynamo 5. All Image books, and all really enjoyable stories that get superheroes in a way modern Marvel and DC simply don't. There are probably others as well, but those are the best ones I can think of.
To look back at the departure of Mary Jane then and compare it to now is a mistake. Mary Jane's move to LA was an attempt to placate fans after the stalker story by bringing her back, but give editorial what they wanted by moving her out, it was a really well executed way of ending the MJ story. She was open to come back at any point or they could have pulled the trigger and let them drift apart.
IT was respectfull of both the reader and the story this was not.
Brian, not to nitpick, but is this really a divisive issue? A divisive issue suggests a divide. Abortion is a divisive issue because there's clearly two camps involved. Is there anybody (other than Joe Q.) who supports Day? I'd suggest it's one of the most poorly received events.
Also, acknowledging there's a lot of moons gone by, does Secret Wars II compare?
J to the AAP said it right in the first post. NOTHING Marvel has ever done has been as insulting to both the characters and the readers as OMD, and that is why, as Black Lutefisk notes, NOBODY (other than Joe Q)supports it.
Pedro – I think this attitude against the Superman reboot is something that grew with the years. Pre-1986, Byrne was God, and no one was reading the old Superman, many mediocre, failed Superman stories of the late 70s an early 80s still fresh on everyone's minds.
The way I remember things, there was a minority of pissed-off older fans, and a much bigger majority of supporters and people reading Superman for the first time.
It was only later that the consensus started to change, Byrne started to decay as an artist, and the Silver Age started to come into vogue again, that the reboot came to be seen in a different light.
Markblack – I think people knew back then that John Walker was just a temporary replacement. They didn't even kill Steve Rogers.
It seems to me like most or all of the things on his list were things which were decisions which were controversial until they came out, at which time the controversy — either proved or disproved — more or less dissolved.
The only exception is Zimmerman. Prior to 'One More Day', Zimmerman was certainly the most hated thing that Marvel had done in a long time. I think 'One More Day' has not only trumped it, but also proven to be virtually as universally hated as Zimmerman.
Zimmerman, if you recall, had one big fan, who was the EiC of Marvel. 'One More Day' has one big fan, too.
"Emerald Twilight" was the one that I think of as causing such a stir. Although OMD/BND had far more of a lead-in.
I dunno. Comics are cyclical by nature–as is most art–but I find that this particular move is really tough. Then again, I am upset that both Marvel & DC seem to be courting the Silver Age crowds again with returns to those concepts. I don't dislike the concepts necessarily but it is frustrating to be a Bronze and Modern guy and constantly feel like I have no idea what is going on in the books I have put 15 years into…
I actually like married heroes because they are a new slant to write. Damsels in distress have been done to death. But I suppose that comic book writers find it more challenging to write marriages compellingly, however. Are there many enduring, spotlit marriages around anymore? Lois & Clark and Flash/Wally & Linda are the only two I can think of. Well, besides Midnighter and Apollo….sigh, I want that.
No, I don't see it either. Yeah, the Bill-and-Joe era was a time of bad boy behaviour (in all the good and bad ways that entails) and controversy-for-its-own-sake, but it produced a lot of great comics: the ultimate line, Morrison's New X-Men, Bendis on Daredevil, Waid and Wiernigo's FF. The whole era in my memory feels like a carnival: baiting DC and Paul Levitz, U-Decide contests with Peter David, terrible parodies like Marville but it was all showmanship toward an end and that was to shake Marvel up.
But today the new regime is the old regime and the showmanship is more muted (partially because, I think, it bit Jemas on the ass, and partially because, bluntly, I don't think Quesada is nearly as good at it as Jemas ever was) and the really hot talent has kind of become the establishment at Marvel, which is quite the anthesis of 2001 and bringing DC demi-gods like Morrison and indie writers like Bendis and writers hungry to prove themselves like Mark Millar. I thought the decision to bring, to name just one, Jeph Loeb into the fold on the Ultimate Line was a bad one– not because of Loeb as a writer (since I disagree with the party line here on Loeb) but because I always thought the Ulitmate Line should be a place for up-and-comers to try and do Marvel stories at a 45-degree angle from what's going on in the main Marvel Universe.
I think One More Day is different and more controversial in that I think it's the pinnacle of editorially-mandated comics. Comics fans love their continuity, and they love their sense of the ongoing story and while the Winter Soldier and Superboy's punches and Sue Dibny's and Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn's love children all had editorial's fingers all over them, this takes it to a new level.
I think any comic fan has their own personal horror story of having a favourite character continuity retconned, whether it be the Silver Age Superman being changed to Byrne's Bronze Age one (in my case I've been mourning for the Byrne Superman being changed for the past couple of years!) or Jason Todd being brought back from the dead or whatever. It really bugs you in the corner of your fanboy mind in a way that's hard to describe to non comics fans because it sounds absurd to feel such passion about a fictional character. Put it together with Marvel, which tends to work elaborate in-continuity fixes to vexing problems (see Clone Saga, The), and Spider-Man, who represents the sort of everyman superhero and you have a giant mess. I wouldn't a collector of Spider-Man, but I disliked One More Day's solution (and can understand the antipathy toward it) because the Spider-Man I've grown up with was the one that married MJ. Divorcing them, I could have lived with it, killing off MJ– while far from ideal– was livable but OMD rendered the stories fanboys lived with obsolete.
I'm totally puzzled as to why Marvel editorial doesn't get how this solution wouldn't be reviled by its fanbase. Fans love continuity. Marvel is a whole imprint of comic books that made its stock in trade for decades grooming fans love and need for continuity. I can understand why fans are up in arms, and I do think it's different than other controversies in that I think Bill-and-Joe used it as part of an arsenal to get attention on a different approach to doing Marvel comics. One More Day was continuity-score -settling on the part of the EIC (and I think it's the fannishness of the desire to nix the marriage that bugs me most; was there really that big of a problem having Peter married?) that's pissed off other continuity-obsessed fans.
That said, fans will keep buying the comics regardless. And no one will learn anything, as usual.
Did you guys see this?
If you're jonesing for superhero books that aren't lame, continuity driven messes, check out Invincible, Noble Causes, and Dynamo 5. All Image books, and all really enjoyable stories that get superheroes in a way modern Marvel and DC simply don't. There are probably others as well, but those are the best ones I can think of.
I'll have to try those. I love reading Image's nonsuperhero books like Nightly News and Age of Bronze but haven't tried their superhero stuff yet.
., does every post you make have to be about bashing DC even though we both know that Marvel's comics are as equally bad and good at times?
Maybe as far as art goes. With the writing, I find mainstream DC to be universally worse across the board.
Noble Causes? *snort* No thanks.
Five years from now, when the latest controversial jarring shift in continuity and the status quo takes place, and everyone is bitching up a storm, saying that this is the worst thing Marvel/DC has ever done, someone will then bring up One More Day as an example of how these things are cyclical, at whixh point everyone else will jump all over him shouting "No no no, THIS is much worse than OMD ever was!!!" I guarantee it will happen.
Five years from now, when the latest controversial jarring shift in continuity and the status quo takes place, and everyone is bitching up a storm, saying that this is the worst thing Marvel/DC has ever done, someone will then bring up One More Day as an example of how these things are cyclical, at whixh point everyone else will jump all over him shouting "No no no, THIS is much worse than OMD ever was!!!†I guarantee it will happen.
I actually agree with you on this– but I just don't think the comparison to the Bill Jemas-era Marvel that Augie's using in his column actually works.
Maybe as far as art goes. With the writing, I find mainstream DC to be universally worse across the board.
but perhaps the real question to be asked is why your response to just about any post that even mildly criticizes Marvel is to subtly change the subject in order to bash DC?
I would have to say the SpideyClone saga or the teenaged Tony Stark/Iron Man.
Can be that big as I don't know what it's about. Just that it's something to do with Spiderman.
"Five years from now, when the latest controversial jarring shift in continuity and the status quo takes place, and everyone is bitching up a storm"
I think the strange thing is that people who are trying to play down the complaints, because that's all Internet fan-boys do is complain, are being somewhat reductive in their conflation of *all* complaints as being equal.
I would say that the lead-up was comprable; people complaining without knowing anything about the details? Yeah, that happened in pretty much *every* case the original guy is citing.
But this complaining is continuing now post-publication; this has to be one of the few stories in my memory to have gotten *more* controversial after being published than it was in the build-up. That's the thing that makes it unique, and it's the thing Quesada and Wacker have been downplaying and ignoring, hoping it will go away.
Which it probably will. But still; this is the perfect storm of Internet comic book complaining. I don't think we'll see a setup like this again any time soon, so I don't think we'll get quite as much controversy anytime soon.
But I think that, whatever the next controversies are, people will be referring to this one in comparison for a while.
And by "controversial", I mean that the readers hate it and the editors love it… usually, the readers who love it and the readers who hate it argue the point out, but this one is pretty universal, it seems. Everybody hates *this* story; the division/controversy is "Is 'Brand New day' good enough to justify this horribleness as neccessary?"
None however, was as insulting and inherently stupid as One More Day.
This might be based on character attachment. I've certainly heard "insulting" and "stupid" tossed at Bendis for disassembled or Morrison for his X-men a couple of hundred times.
If you're the sort of person who feels insulted by super-hero comics comics (I'm not, and honestly I have trouble understanding this view) then you will, at some point, probably feel insulted by what they've done to your favorite character.
Stupid? I wouldn't even go that far. I give the OMD writers some points for creativity just 'cause the whole idea is So. Damn. Weird.
I'd go with "Poorly conceived,executed, and completely missing the POINT of the character on a thematic level.* But nicely drawn." Over "stupid."
And, yeah, I'd agree with "Most controversial single comics event in the internet era."
Also 'not divisive.' Good call, Lutefish.
* But not as much as John Byrne's Superman. Yes, I am small and petty.
The main thing that I notice is that there is practically no one, not even Quesada, who claims OMD was a good story. Q. all but admits that it was a bad story that was done to get Spider-Man to the place he wanted him at. It was a classic, "I told you that story so that I could tell you this one."
So, I wonder, can I remember another time when no one defended a story?
I think that everything mentioned so far has had at least one fan that I've met either in person or via internet. All, but one: Emerald Twilight.
No one that I've ever heard from liked Emerald Twilight, and everyone seemed to recognize that it was simply getting the Green Lantern concept to the third generation (like OMD got the Spider-Man concept to where it is.)
The main difference is that ET ended with Kyle getting the ring. This gave readers hope that something new, interesting, and possibly good could come next. Now, some decided that without Hal, and with the way Hal was killed off, that they didn't care what came next. But, even though no one I know ever thought it was a good idea, I did know people who bought the next issue and followed Kyle, and came to like him.
I was a manager of a comic book store at the time. After ET sales dropped from 15 to 3, and over the next few months rose to less than ten. This was actually pretty good, though as we were a small store. I mean, we weren't even selling 50 coppies of Spawn or X-Men at the time.
But, as for magnitude, Spider-Man touches a lot more readers than Green Lantern ever did. And, I suspect that the outrage would actually be less if Peter had gone crazy and died, a la Hal Jordan, and been replaced with a character and supporting cast we've never seen before.
What makes this stand out is its presentation. Even with the Clone saga the writers at least seemed to be trying. If Peter Parker woke up one day and was single again with no explanation of how things had changed, it would be a much better story than One More Day.
That might have been a more compelling way to approach it, almost treating it like Lost. Do Peter or MJ know the made a deal with the Mephisto? I always assumed not. It could have worked better that way. Maybe.
damn, that's true.
It would've been a much more compelling story if it had happened and he had to figure out *what* happened and how.
And then, at a certain point, instead of choosing between keeping Aunt May alive or keeping married, the choice had been made. He would have to choose between keeping it the same (May alive, Peter single) — which is the only way he has ever known it — or go back to the alternate, where May is dead and he is married.
*that* would be a compelling choice, because he actually would be choosing to kill May if he wanted to put it back.
… but, in the end, he still would've made a deal with the devil, which really is the sticking point in a lot of craw's, no matter how much people try to paint this like it's the same as any other retcon.
You know, I hate to open old wounds about how much Zimmerman is despised. But I will say I liked the one issue he wrote of Tangled Web (where the villains were all in the bar). Everything else? Yeah, pretty bad.
A quick google search does indeed reveal Identity Crisis to be bigger than Brand New Day…so far. Who knows WHEN the controversy will end?
I don't buy it – Identity Crisis was definitely controversial (perhaps the second-most controversial event, really) – but it didn't get the same level of anger as One More Day, mostly because there was a VERY vocal crowd who LOVED Identity Crisis, or at least did until the ending.
Also note that the mainstream media paid it no attention, unlike One More Day/Brand New Day.
Rawhide Kid being put back in the closet, and then Joe Q saying he would only be gay in Max books, then saying he never said that, then saying it paved the way for Brokeback Mountain, then holding up Freedom Ring as proof Marvel wasn't anti-gay, then that character dying the next week etc.
For me, anyway, it was a bigger deal because the EIC basically said gay heroes weren't right for kids (who does he think reads his books anyway?), and until they did the full retraction (which still involved them saying they never said it, even though they did) I ended up boycotting Marvel books.
(which to be honest, wasn't that hard at all. Only one I really felt I was missing out on was Runaways, and then when I got it, found it was quite poor).
That situation was certainly dumber, Funky, but it got a lot less attention among readers, basically because barely anyone read the book (it did get some mainstream attention, though!).
"Pedro – I think this attitude against the Superman reboot is something that grew with the years. Pre-1986, Byrne was God, and no one was reading the old Superman, many mediocre, failed Superman stories of the late 70s an early 80s still fresh on everyone's minds.
The way I remember things, there was a minority of pissed-off older fans, and a much bigger majority of supporters and people reading Superman for the first time.
It was only later that the consensus started to change, Byrne started to decay as an artist, and the Silver Age started to come into vogue again, that the reboot came to be seen in a different light."
I don't think so. I was there at the time and there was a group of fans that decried it, started campaigning against it and NEVER stopped! They were always there raising the banners against Byrne's Superman even when they were a small, ridiculed minority!
And they did influence quite a lot of people over time, I must admit. I can't believe the number of people I've seen badmouthing Byrne who never even READ a pre-Crisis Superman story in their lives…
And it IS unbelievably long-lasting!
"* But not as much as John Byrne's Superman. Yes, I am small and petty."
See what I mean? Get over it, man! It was over TWENTY years ago and it was retconned away throughly ever since!
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)
Clone Saga, especially at the "this Peter you thought you knew for years is a CLONE!" part, right along with hitting his pregnant wife.
Basically Marvel threatened to do what they ended up doing this time around, undoing years of stories and breaking up MJ and Peter.
I've noticed quite a few people saying that they would have preferred OMD didn't happen, rather that Marvel just threw their hands up in the air and said "From now on Peter's not married" – I don't understand how that would be any different than tossing the OMD issues out and pretending you never read them…
All the scorn poured on Heroes Reborn – those books sold pretty well after the event, and the whole thing served as a template for the Ultimate line really.
I remember when Ultimate Spidey and X-Men were announced, I dismissed it as HR Mark II.
I don't think "One More Day" is divisive AT ALL. It's the single biggest uniting issue that the world of comics has ever seen. I've never seen one story that 99% of comics fans could agree on, one way or the other, before today. =)
I just don't think it's that big a deal. The spike is higher, but I don't think it'll be any wider than any other "event." I still maintain that this is a stunt that will last a year or maybe two before it's undone again. Thus, I don't get worked up over it. I've seen it all done before — as many have pointed out in all the examples further upstream, including Broken Back Batman, Death of Superman, Teenage Tony Stark, Doctor Strange's Secret Identity, Captain America's other death, Captain America's replacement, Captain America: The Werewolf, Aunt May's Death, Spider-Baby's disappearance, Clone Saga, The Death of Phoenix any of the first ten times. . .
You see why this storyline fails to outrage me now? Been there and done that. If it had been done in a more convincing way, I might get behind it. Erik Larsen's divorce theory is a strong one, actually. That would have been a much smarter story.
But I'm not getting worked up over it. Even that divorce would eventually have been undone.
Also going to a second printing: NORTH WIND #1, the book retailers said they'd never support because BOOM! put it up for free on-line. So who's ordering it then? Why is there sudden demand for the book?
Sorry, that's completely off-topic, but I had to throw it in.
The true victims in this Spider-Man story are Dan Slott, Steve McNiven, et. al. whose strong work will forever be overshadowed by its inception.
I don't think just ONE MORE DAY is divisive, as it appears to be practically universally disliked, but I think BRAND NEW DAY is divisive, which is why I say ONE MORE DAY/BRAND NEW DAY is divisive, with that divide being between creative personnel and fans.
What creators want versus what fans (seem to) want is rarely this out of tune. Note that the Clone Saga and its aftermath was basically the creators doing what they thought the fans wanted. Identity Crisis was specifically giving the fans what DC thought they wanted (which was a "more mature" comic book, or a "Marvel-esque" comic).
This is doing what the CREATORS (and editorial) wanted. And while Marvel personnel I am sure is divided over whether One More Day was the way to do it, I think it's pretty clear that it is near unanimity in support of the concept of Brand New Day – a single Peter Parker with Harry Osborn back.
I'm used to creators doing things that the fans don't automatically think is prudent (Avengers Disassembled, Identity Crisis, Goddamned Batman), but I think this one is the most divisive and the most controversial (of the internet age, of course).
The true victims in this Spider-Man story are Dan Slott, Steve McNiven, et. al. whose strong work will forever be overshadowed by its inception.
If they do good work, people will forget about its inception about 3 issues in. In fact, based on the positive internet buzz just off their first issue, I think fans have shorter memories than you think. I remember when people claimed that they'd never forgive Marvel for undoing ASM #400's poignant story of Aunt May's death, and now hardly anyone cares. People have short memories.
If they do good work, people will forget about its inception about 3 issues in. In fact, based on the positive internet buzz just off their first issue, I think fans have shorter memories than you think. I remember when people claimed that they'd never forgive Marvel for undoing ASM #400's poignant story of Aunt May's death, and now hardly anyone cares. People have short memories.
Normally, I'd totally agree with you.
Heck, back in September, I wrote:
Back when One More Day was first announced (which was, what, twelve years ago? Feels like it), or maybe even before, when Quesada was just talking about how bad the marriage was, I argued that, if you think a book really needs a change THAT badly, just make the change, even if you have to do it with a stupid storyline like Avengers Disassembled. People WILL eventually forget about it, and then you'll have the changes you want.
Now, though, I am unsure.
Like I noted – I didn't expect THIS much backlash. So I dunno if the fans really WILL forget this the same way they forgot, say, Avengers Disassembled.
I think the reason OMD is so much worse than any of the previous examples given is because of the context in which it was created. Most all of those examples happened before or during the mainstream comics landscape collapsed.
After the bubble burst, a lot of hard work went into rebuilding superhero comics. Perhaps I'm just naive, but I felt a lot of growth happened around the turn of the century. There was an effort into writing the books as books, and not just cheap disposable entertainment. The comics code was eventually dropped, and thanks to things like the Ultimate line, new fans were coming in droves to read fun stories that weren't bogged down by traditional comic tropes(cluttered continuity, crossovers, stupid costumes, etc.)
I've grown increasingly dissatisfied with Marvel and DC over the last few years as they've both devolved back into the sensationalist tactics that were so common place at the lowest point in the 90's. However, OMD takes the cake. It is the epitome of terrible comics. The fact that it was made in 2007, makes it worse than any other comic story ever made. For years Quesada has been beating his chest about how mature Marvel comics are(Look! Hollywood writers, it's a legitimate medium! Civil War is about politics!) Then he turns around and gives us the most typical of terrible comic stories, whose only purpose is to reset continuity while at the same time hopelessly maintain it, that would make the writers of the famed Clone Saga cringe. This is the sort of thing that was causing people to LEAVE comics ten years ago!
I was under the (mistaken) impression that there was a level of standards not just among Marvel but among the fans as well. I thought we'd all grown out of the ninety's with a new perspective. Clearly, I was wrong.
And for the record, I'm not talking about things like the "illusion of change." I expect characters to go through revisions and so forth. I'm talking about the methods in which Marvel has gone about presenting these stories. Saying things like, "The unmasking won't be undone by a magic memory wipe" only to have it done away by a magic memory wipe, and desperately trying to claim that despite undoing past comics, they're still in continuity. Really Quesada, who are you trying to fool? Everybody knows kids aren't reading comics anymore, so why are are the readers being treating as if they still use the rubber scissors?
I shall timidly raise my hand and say that I liked Emerald Twilight. I was thirteen when it came out and really had no concept of Hal Jordan beforehand (other than "guy in boring stories a lot"). I sincerely enjoyed the issues detailing his mental degeneration and eventual collapse into villainy, and loved the concept of Kyle as Green Lantern having to protect the universe from his corrupt predecessor. I severely doubt I would like it so much in retrospect, but it did a perfect job of making me buy Green Lantern for a good five years or so.
(I read the Byrne Superman reboot around this era and loved that, too, as it was the first Superman I ever read.)
Anyway, I have to agree with Augie and say that OMD is a uniter, not a divider. Everyone hates it. What's divisive is Brand New Day– there's a camp that likes it as a comic, a camp that dislikes it as a comic, and then two camps that like/dislike it based on their reactions to One More Day. It's one of the more complex fan reactions I've seen awhile, which I suppose is why it's getting written about so much.
Anyway, I have to agree with Augie and say that OMD is a uniter, not a divider. Everyone hates it. What's divisive is Brand New Day–
Again, though, that's why I made a point of writing One More Day/Brand New Day.
What I want to know is this:
Did Spidey kill Normie Osborn with his wishy washy wish? 'Cause I can't tell by looking at Quesada's handouts.
I know Harry is alive and single; but is he single-single or divorce-single? Does that make Normie, Harry's illegitimate child?
Oh, and how 'bout Uncle Ben? How can Spidey sell his daughter's soul and not remember to bring Uncle Ben back to life? (I didn't buy the issue, so I have to ask: Is there a panel where Pete goes "Dammit, I know I'm forgeting someone.")
What? What? (Not the right time or place you say?)
But who's going to answer these things?
Wikipedia's no help! Trust me, I've tried!!!
As for
"…just tell me a comic book controversy that you think was bigger than this one…"
Well, it's hard because for one thing, Marvel's biggest and some time's best selling character is Spider-man; so it impacts a good deal of the clients/fans.
And secondly, in any of the previous controversies, you weren't reminded of it on an almost weekly basis. So the controversy had a chance to die down.
Here it is. In no particular order. My list of controversies that I think were bigger than Spidey getting a "stupid reboot/deal with the devil" because when it's all said and done, I feel they have tainted the medium that I love(more so than the characters)…
*Sue Dibny getting raped, then scorched (or viceversa).
*Wonder Woman becoming a stone cold killer (w/o any repercussions and Superman actually looking the other way!!!).
*The whole Felicia thing a.k.a. how Mark Waid found out he was fired from the Fantastic Four by reading it in the internet.
*Leslie Thompkins allowing Stephanie Brown/Spoiler to die.
*Valerie D'Orazio saying Goodbye to comics and showing us what a wholesome working environment DC has.
*Writers who boast that they can decompress a story and make ït last 6 months; but at the same time have the audacity to threaten (or guilt trip) their readership into buying the monthly and "not waiting for the trade." You know, 'cause if the medium dies, it's the reader's fault!
On a lesser scale we have:
1- Superman's return to Krypton. 'Cause one reboot wasn't enough; and the world apparently needed more "headband wearing Kryptonians" from the 60's! That one was so much fun, that they had to return a second time in order to reveal that the headbands where actually an illusion! (I still don't understand that one! Me thinks Jor-El made a deal with Mephisto!)
2- Two words… "Soul Vision" (Thought I forgot about that, didn't you!)
3- Blue Beetle. The hero who everyone is "too busy to help". Plus, the guy can dodge bullet sprays from automatic rifles, but is no match against a handgun. Go fig.
4- The Goddamn Batman!
5- Superboy Punch!
6- Oh my God! They killed Siegel and Shuster's Original Superman!!!!
Together now!!!
We didn't start the fire! It's been always burning, since the world's been turning!
7- Tony Stark???
…evil, now!
8- Batman's just plain psycho
9- Kid Flash… blown away! What else do I have to say?
Together now!!!
We didn't start the fire! It's been always burning, since the world's been turning!
Oh, wait. I forgot. The Giffen League Bwah-ha-ha is gone too. (As well as Marvel-Boy II, 'cause Jemas is/was a better writer than Grant "effin" Morrinson.)
I'll tell you one thing though. I'm still waiting for those "new readers" Jemas and Quesada promised way back in 2000-2001. Does anybody know when they are scheduled to show up?
Don't forget this isn't over yet.
Clone Saga, Disassembled, Emerald Twilight, Zero Hour, Onslaught, Mark Waid Pisses on 40 years of Legion History, all of these were loathed at the time.
But some of them led to really good stories afterwards and, thus, looked OK in retrospect.
So with Brand New Day selling out and getting generally good reviews it is possible that in a year OMD will still be hated but no one will hold a grudge against the current Spider-Man stories.
But if BND lays an egg, then the hatred will never stop.
Isn't it always the case!
You are going to bed. You're half asleep, and then you remember your favorite Jemas-Quesada comic of all time!!!!!!
You know the one!
Written be your favorite "here's me sticking it to you" writer!
With the jail bait covers, and the capital "T" for:
Now, who would've thunk that the marvelous minds that figured they could revitalize the romance genre with an abortion/aunt may is really Peter's Mom/teen pregnancy story; were capable of fumbling a Spider-Man reboot.
Certainly not me!
I think I can still hit DC with the wildly inappropriate, but very special episode of, Mary Marvel and Supergirl go to the Mall. But that was in the 90's.
And really,
Who wants to top Trouble?!?!?
You'd have to be crazy or insane, to try a stunt like that!!!
"I don't understand how that would be any different than tossing the OMD issues out and pretending you never read them"
Well, it isn't, and that's why I was quite happy to give a reasonably positive review to "Brand New Day."
Here's how I see it. There are two camps on "One More Day." The majority think that the changes to continuity are stupid, and that the method used to achieve them is idiotic. A minority (myself included) think that the changes to continuity might not be so bad, but that the method used to achieve them is idiotic. The upshot is that virtually everyone agrees that "One More Day" was idiotic.
Really, I think the nearest precedent for this is the Spider-Clone. I'll be very interested to see the sales on this, as the months progress. It's notoriously hard to drive superhero readers away, and I'm sure the first issue of "Brand New Day" will do well. Nonetheless, they've run a story that seems to be loathed across the board, and (like the clone) it undermines the character's history to such a degree that it inevitably undermines readers' attachment to the series. You can't present this to readers as a continuation of the story they were reading before, and so you have to re-earn their investment in the series at a time when the audience is hostile. And what's more, they're bringing in a committee creative team light on A-listers.
This clearly has an unusually high potential to go horribly wrong. I would never place money on any heavily-promoted book failing, but you might well ask: if this doesn't fail, what will?
But Rickey, you only seem to be mentioning stories/events that you just thought were worse than One More Day. That is not all that hard to do (and I would particularly agree that both Identity Crisis and Countdown to Infinite Crisis were significantly worse in terms of character damage), but in terms of controversy, all of those stories, save PERHAPS Identity Crisis really didn't do much in the way of causing major controversy.
con·tro·ver·sy (kntr-vûrs) KEY
pl. con·tro·ver·sies
A dispute, especially a public one, between sides holding opposing views.
But nobody seems to be arguing for OMD/BND!
My stuff's more exciting!!!
Did you know that Aunt May cheated on Uncle Ben???
Now that's controversial!!!
I think the side holding the opposing view in this instant is Marvel's creative staff. They all think Brand New Day is a great idea – the fans seem to think otherwise – who will win in the end?
Augie suggests in his comments that ultimately Marvel will relent, like they did with the Clone Saga, and we'll see a return of the marriage.
I think that will not happen – but either way, it's the biggest "to-do" I've seen in comics during the "internet era."
This might be based on character attachment. I've certainly heard "insulting†and "stupid†tossed at Bendis for disassembled or Morrison for his X-men a couple of hundred times.
Markandrew, it probably at least partly as and I'm well aware of the controversy surrounding those two. But even though many paople might disagree with the alterations to status quo made by Morrison or Bendis I don't think the stories themselves we're stupid or offending in their execution. What I mean is if they divorced I might've disagree with the change just as much but it wouldn't be such a ludicrous crapfest bestowed upon the reader.
The big difference between OMD and the breaking of Batman's back, John Walker as Captain America, the Death of Superman, even Emerald Twilight is that they were essentially the beginning of a story, not the end.
This is more like Batman's Death in the Family where Jason Todd died. The story is over, and so far as editorial and creators are saying, the story is establishing the new ongoing status quo.
Now, with that said, I'd like to say that I, personally, feel that OMD is actually exactly like Death of Superman in that I think that it is obvious that OMD/BND are the first two chapters in a self-contained story.
You see: Superman dies, the world mourns, replacements appear, Superman returns as does the status quo. Batman is broken, another Batman takes his place, Bruce vs. Jean Paul and the status quo returns. These are self-contained stories. There is a clear beginning, middle, and end.
I think that OMD isn't an end, despite Marvel's claims. But, by the sheer naming of the story arcs, is more likely a trilogy. One More Day, followed by Bold New Day, followed by Someting Ending in Day at the end of which some small things might be different. Superman might have longer hair and be slightly weaker. Batman might have a new Agent. John Walker might be a Cap replacement for AWC. Maybe in this instance, the secret identity will still be hidden. But, mostly, it'll be back like it was. I give it 12 months.
Doesn't mean I liked OMD, however. I'd rather accept that Superman forgot to use his heat vision and other powers on Doomsday than that Spider-Man forgot that making deals with the devil was a bad thing.
I don't think there's any real chance of the marriage returning.
Even if they regain their memories of the marriage (which is a real possibility), I do not think they'll bring the marriage back.
Remember, it's not like Joe Quesada is alone on not wanting Spider-Man married – there's a near unanimity among the folks who have worked on Spider-Man the past 15 years or so who just do not like the marriage.
Y'know, people say things like:
"So I dunno if the fans really WILL forget this the same way they forgot, say, Avengers Disassembled."
But do we really? I look back at my own personal history as a comics fan, and I look at myself in, say, 1995. I was probably buying 25-30 dollars a week of comics, which would probably be closer to 40-50 dollars now. Not counting trade paperbacks or anything, this was just what I spent on that week's new releases. Marvel, DC, Image, I was a voracious fan.
Now? I buy exactly zero dollars a month on new releases. Marvel, DC, and Image have literally driven me away as a fan. I still buy stuff from them, but it's all either reprints of their older material or their all-ages, out of continuity books. And I don't think I'm alone in that regard. I think that a lot of "the fans" haven't forgotten, that they've walked away over the years and everyone's just choosing not to remember how big the readership used to be.
Fans do have a breaking point in their personal loyalty to the company (Marvel or DC), and it's a tremendous mistake on the part of that company to assume that just because their latest stunt didn't reach it, it must therefore not be reachable. They might manage to pull off OMD/BND, to retain a disgruntled audience through habit and lingering goodwill (although my gut instinct still says no, this one is going to be where most people get off the f'ing trolley.) But that's not the same thing as the fans "forgetting it".
(Or to quote Terry Pratchett, in response to someone saying, "Forgive and forget, eh?": "I'll forgive. Don't recall anyone saying anything about forgetting.")
New Avengers sells nearly twice as much as Avengers did pre-Disassembled.
Mighty Avengers sell about the same as New Avengers.
Even Avengers: Initiative sells more than Avengers sold pre-Disassembled!!
So either the fans forgot about Disassembled, or they picked up the proverbial "new readers" to make up for the departed ones.
That situation was certainly dumber, Funky, but it got a lot less attention among readers, basically because barely anyone read the book (it did get some mainstream attention, though!).
Which is actually disappointing.
Mess with a character, everyone gets up in arms.
Make homophobic statements/decisions to appease whoever got upset about changes to an old character, there's a slight grumbling.
New Avengers sells nearly twice as much as Avengers did pre-Disassembled.
Mighty Avengers sell about the same as New Avengers.
Even Avengers: Initiative sells more than Avengers sold pre-Disassembled!!
So either the fans forgot about Disassembled, or they picked up the proverbial "new readers†to make up for the departed ones.
And Bob Harras' Avengers sold more than all of them.
It seems to me that they aren't picking up 'new' readers, just readers from other books.
It's become a limited pool of readership, and so they have to rely on stunt stories and constantly switching creative teams to keep people interested.
I would say they did pick up "new" readers, in the sense that Brian Michael Bendis has a group of fans who will pick up anything he writes, and who followed him to that title specifically to pick up Bendis' latest book. (Much in the same way that I'm sure "written by Warren Ellis" increased sales on 'Thunderbolts'.)
Not to mention, the Avengers have been the centerpiece of a major marketing push by Marvel for the past few years, with several of their "event" crossovers being prominently featured as 'Avengers events'. (And 'Secret Invasion', the 2008 "event", has been pushed for the last several months as, "It starts in the pages of 'New Avengers'! If you don't want to get left out when 'Secret Invasion' starts, you should be buying 'New Avengers' right now! Now, dammit, now!")
I remain unconvinced that the current audience for 'New/Mighty Avengers/:The Initiative' is the "core" audience of long-term Avengers fans with an abiding love for the (if you'll permit me a momentary indulgence) Avengers' storytelling engine.
And Bob Harras' Avengers sold more than all of them.
It seems to me that they aren't picking up 'new' readers, just readers from other books.
It's become a limited pool of readership, and so they have to rely on stunt stories and constantly switching creative teams to keep people interested.
Come on, you know you can't compare sales on books from the early 90s to books now, lest we have stuff like "NFL Superpro is more popular than every comic currently made!" You CAN compare the sales of the comic from the month before Bendis took over to the sales the month after Bendis took over.
Whether they are from other books or not, the book sold a lot better post-Disassembled than pre-Disassembeld. So much so that they added a spin-off title that sells about the same!!
And ANOTHER spin-off that sells more than the pre-Disassembled Avengers!
You could argue that all they're doing is adding readers from, say, X-Men and getting them to buy ANOTHER comic, rather than taking in readers from outside the industry.
I totally buy that.
But it is pretty plain to see, from a sales perspective, Disassembled worked well.
I picked up Mighty Avengers for Frank Cho's Ultron. The story wasn't worth the number of issues it took to resolve it. If the next arc isn't compelling, I will drop it with no regrets.
I picked up New Avengers for BMB, but stopped before they got to the Savage Land.
I am trying to collect Disassembled for Finch's art, and it was just such a spastic story. Everything was nuts, you didn't know what was going on, even if you knew what was coming.
I will not collect OMD or buy BND because I have no interest in the character anymore. If Peter can't let go of his Aunt May and is willing to give up his marriage to squeeze a few more years out of her, and if MJ is the kind of character to sympathize with this and go along with it, I am just not interested in anything Joe Q has to say about Spider-Man.
Remember, it's not like Joe Quesada is alone on not wanting Spider-Man married – there's a near unanimity among the folks who have worked on Spider-Man the past 15 years or so who just do not like the marriage.
Really? Near-unanamity? If I remember the Spider-Man round table from Back Issue (that you mentioned in one of these damn Spider-man posts) right, it ran about 60/40 Anti Marriage to Pro. And Stan Lee was in the Pro camp.
Really? Near-unanamity? If I remember the Spider-Man round table from Back Issue (that you mentioned in one of these damn Spider-man posts) right, it ran about 60/40 Anti Marriage to Pro. And Stan Lee was in the Pro camp.
Note the qualifiying "past 15 years" part.
That article was mostly people who USED to write Spider-Man.
That said, yes, notably, Terry Kavanaugh and Jim Salicrup (and, I think, Tom DeFalco) were in favor of the marriage.
That's about it (I'm only counting editors and writers – assistant editors may have liked the marriage).
(Weird. I have to spell my name wrong or it gives me the Slow Down Cowboy…15 Seconds Message)
Oh, hey, I found it. (It was in my car. Which is v. messy.)
Michelinie comes off slightly pro-marriage, but does say it made Spider-man into a different character.
Defalco says "At the time I thought it was a veryyyyyy bad idea. History has proven me wrong."
I don't actually see Larsen give an opinion, either way.
He says it was "pretty abrupt" and "changed him from young to old," but those aren't EXACTLY value judgements .
And Jim Shooter is too busy calling everyone else a liar and defending against being called a liar to give much of an opinion.
No, I was wrong on Jim Shooter. He says "In retrospect, I agree with Marv." (Wolfman, who's way anti-marriage.)
Ah crap. I missed the last page.
Ok, Larsen's anti-marriage, too.
I think that a lot of "the fans†haven't forgotten, that they've walked away over the years and everyone's just choosing not to remember how big the readership used to be.— John Seavey
I agree.
My pull list used to be huge!!! Now, it's just a road map on how to lose readership.
It started with…
1- The Detroit Justice League. Believe it or not, DC was as serious about this League, as Quesada is about the Spider-Marriage. How does the sayin' go? World's Greatest Break-Dancing Heroes my @$$!
2- New Teen Titans. They canned one of their most popular characters, Kid Flash, 'cause they wanted to sever all ties with their previous incarnation. In the process they lost sight of where they were comming from and where they were headed. After that, the series became about re-doing the Judas Contract. They did the Judas Contract with Jericho. The Judas Contract with Hawk. The Judas Contract with Raven. The Judas Contract with Cyborg. The Judas Contract with Evil Nightwing. Etc. Etc. Etc.
3- Green Lantern. I mean, Hal Jordan could've had an honorable death. Never got why they had to piss on Jordan in order to ellevate Kyle. It's like the Powers that be knew that Kyle would never be half the Lantern Jordan was. Result: Stopped reading/buying.
3- Legion Of Super-Heroes. Huge fan. Loved everything. Interlac, subs & the 9 panel grid. DC closed the book on this series during Zero Hour; and as far as I'm concerned it stayed closed. The fact that the series now gets rebooted every 2 to 3 years is proof enough that I made the right decision.
4- The Hulk. Again, Marvel closed the book on this character when they decided they wanted "the old Savage Hulk" back and let Peter David go. (Hey, that kinda reminds me of a marryied webslinger). In any case, the book never recovered. Sure, it got interesting when Bruce Jones shaved the Hulk's head; but the fact that the Trades stopped comming out half-way through, should tell you something. Oh, but you say that it's good now. That WWH was awesome. Well, hate to spoil it, but the Hulk had a previous World War around Hulk #316 and lost. That storyline also culminated with 2 Hulks running around, only one was Gray instead of Red. Again. Nothing new, and no reason to come back.
5- Aquaman. DC let Peter David go and I left with him. Right now I don't know how many hands Aquaman has, who is the King of Atlantis, or if the San Diego Charges still have a Football stadium. Don't care.
6- Young Justice. Well, DC made this decision for me. But if they thought I was going to buy a Teen Titans series where Deathstroke's Daughter pokes her own eye out in order to be more like her old man; well, they most be tripping bad!
7- Ultimate Spidey. Got tired of reading four to five months of story set up. You write for the trades; I'll wait for the trades. The only problem is that I've been forgetting to buy the trades.
8- Powers. Same as #7, but they are also more expensive… and when they switched companies, they also wanted me to buy some sort of expensive Wizard Comic that cost twice as much as a regular comic, but only had like 10 pages. Whatever.
9- Wonder Woman. First she's blind for like a year. Then she becomes a murderer. Thanks, but no thanks.
10- The Flash. Saw no reason to kill Wally off. Can't tell if Impulse as Flash was any good. But I feel that Flashes are like Green Lanterns. Every one has their favorite and when they are done, so are you.
11- Black Panther. This book used to be so awesome. By the way, if you want to read a good Mephisto story; here's where you go.
12- Avengers, also blacklisted. The funny thing is that I don't remember the specifics, all I know is that it got real bad; and then they all got real naked. So now there's a note from my future self that says "Don't worry about reading the Avengers. You're not missing anything."
I guess Spidey's Amazing makes it a baker's docen.
Now, don't get me wrong; there's plenty of stuff that circles the drain, but as long as the words
"New kryptoninan Origin"
"All brand new Supergirl"
"Fresh Reboot"
"written by Judd Winnick"
are not uttered; then those comics are okay with me… for now.
Oh, but you say that it's good now. That WWH was awesome. Well, hate to spoil it, but the Hulk had a previous World War around Hulk #316 and lost. That storyline also culminated with 2 Hulks running around, only one was Gray instead of Red. Again. Nothing new, and no reason to come back.
Well, feel free to look down on the rest of us, but Planet Hulk was good fun, and I can't wait for WWH to come out in hardback, so I really think you may want to give it a try.
I didn't mean for it to come out all snobish, since I'm not above giving any book a second chance (under the right circumstances). But it is/was my impression that the fans were not happy with the way WWH turned out. I heard that they weren't happy with the way Hulk fought Black Bolt or that they had to go out and buy an X-Men miniseries in order to get the full story. I don't know.
I also heard that around issue #4 everything sort of came to a halt, and that everyone basically sat down and waited for Sentry to show up.
I imagine they meant it figuratively and not literally. But then again, it's all lost on me.
Specially since I don't even know who Sentry is. Is he more powerful than Thor?
And you know, out of curiosity, did any of the cosmic beings fight the Hulk? Did someone like the Silver Surfer or Doctor Doom try using the ultimate cosmic nullifier?
Anyways, I swear to God I'm not being sarcastic. The inner geek in me would love to see Doom get his hands on the nullifier.
In any case, I heard good things about Planet Hulk. But I also heard that the way they got "Hulk Angry" was ackward and didn't make sense. Was the original plan to excile the Hulk or blow him up?
OMD sucked. Thanks, Joe Fister.
I tried to read Augie's column a few times. Yawn.
In any case, I heard good things about Planet Hulk. But I also heard that the way they got "Hulk Angry†was ackward and didn't make sense. Was the original plan to excile the Hulk or blow him up?
To be quite honest, and I haven't read past the end of Planet Hulk, anyone who was confused by it (and I remember reading about it before I read the HC) is an idiot, pure and simple.
It is a twist/shock ending, but not one that was meant to keep you guessing.
How he gets angry, and who makes him that way (even if there's some deceit involved) is all spelt out.
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Travel to Giverny to visit Claude Monet's house and gardens. Your tour takes in Monet's restored home, garden and workshop at Giverny, where Monet lived from 1883 to 1926. A particular highlight is the water-lily pond with its famous Japanese bridge which featured in many of Monet's masterpieces.
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Discussion in 'EU Community' started by CPL_Macja, Sep 3, 2012.
Yoes *swingy swing swing*
Trying to think of what to do next in Shadow Wars...
Back flips.
I'm a Caamasi...thats not very dignified.
How goes it Sarge?
Working, working. Monies, monies.
Fun times.
Well I'm off to bed. Goodnight everyone.
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Hey Sarge
Ok fine....my next post will include a back flip just for you. I will tag you to make sure you see it too .
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Five years for the first, and about six for the second one. I don't think they particularly like tank transfers when they outgrew their present tank. (Ended up in a 75 gallon one by the end of the first and just used that for thesecond one from the start.) First one would jump out of the water and knock the lid open if you ignored him when walking through the room and would follow you. Not a finger, but your head, smart fish but had to be picked off the floor and put back in his tank too often to have really been healthy. Second one would not eat guppies, go figure a fish that eats pirahnas and it wouldn't touch a guppie, we put on in as a treat when it had gotten fairly big and we think finally these will surve their true purpose of literal fish food again! and they stare at each other in the middle of the tank, and then swim to opposite sides and leave each other alone. Guppie died from tank transfer shock or starvation, that one would only eat flakes or worms. Mostly worms later in it's happy life. Despite two Oscars only one placastomas, and that thing not only out lived both of them, it was a behemoth that could only fit into one of those 10 gallon foot locker type tote coolers bent like a cresent. Head in one corner, body on opposite side, and tail on same side in opposite corner in an unconfortable U shape along the longest axis. Fish store was flabergasted when we brought him in since we couldn't afford another oscar, they didn't know they could get that big It was also playmate to both oscars and could give as good as they ever gave, a true companion fish with it's large arch rock that it would go to to sleep in.
Wow, ^that's a long fishy reminensce^ I need sleep. Goodnight and good luck.
Good mor....hmm. All sleep. Damn Coruscant time-zone!
Drifter is six years old and has some weird fungal infection on the fin that isn't going away and seems to be controlled by adding in aquarium salt and I can't figure it out. It's mostly gone but seems to be hanging on for some weird strange reason.
so you had a 2 foot bottom feeder in a 75 gallon tank?
Not all of us sleep
some of us are stuck on the grave yard shift so to speak
Just realized it's my Friday whoohoo long weekend here I come
Mine as well. In 3 hours I begin my weekend...though no long one for me.
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I am building an app in which the users can have different roles (like seller, buyer, agency, etc). So my plan is use polymorphic association, build a class for each of the roles, and associate each instance with one user account. Each user can only be of one of those types, and after reading on the subject I concluded that this is better than using STI, but correct me if I am wrong.
So the app will have different sign up screens for the main types of user accounts. For instance, in the Seller sign up form, what will happen is that the user will fill in the details required for his user account and the fields specific for the Seller profile.
So this form should create the user object, and then the seller object associated to the former. How do you handle this? My guess is that this form should correspond to the 'new' action of the sellers controller, and in the create action the user account should be created before finally creating the seller.
Is this correct? If so, should I call the User controller create action from the Seller controller, or call directly the User model? If it's the former please provide some example code, because I am not sure about how I should call one controller from another.
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SAO PAULO, Brazil -- He's got the name. He's got the genes.
But does Nelson Piquet Jr. have his father's talent?
The 19-year-old son of former Formula One racing champion Nelson
Piquet wants to prove that he does.
He has posted some of the fastest preseason times in the new GP2
category and is expected to compete for the title when the season
starts April 23.
But Nelsinho, as he is known, already is looking past GP2. He
wants to shine in F1, the premier racing class that his father won
three times.
"I want to reach F1 within two years, no longer than that,''
Nelsinho said. "And once I get there, hopefully I'll be able to be
as successful as my father was. Maybe even better, who knows.''
The elder Piquet, hailed by many as one of the best drivers
ever, dominated F1 in the 1980s, winning the world championship in
1981, 1983 and 1987.
Nelsinho, who last year became the youngest Formula Three
Champion, already has tested with two F1 teams, Williams and
Williams team director Frank Williams called his showing
"Nelsinho is the most talented young driver out of Brazil at
this moment. He has talent and a will to win,'' said TV announcer
Reginaldo Leme, a longtime F1 commentator. "He still lacks
patience to advance one step at a time, but that's natural for his
The elder Piquet thinks his son has all the tools to excel in
racing's top category.
"Nelsinho is much more aggressive than I was in my days,''
Piquet said. "There is no holding back in his style -- he drives
near the limit from lap one. And he races very well in the rain,
while I was a bit more scared.''
The elder Piquet also was known for his temper. In a 1982 race
in Hockenheim, Germany, he punched Chilean driver Eliseo Salazar
after a collision on the track. But he says his son's personality
is different.
"Nelsinho is nothing like that, he's much more well-behaved, I
can guarantee you that,'' Piquet said.
Piquet, who owns a Brazilian company that tracks trucks by
satellite, is no longer closely involved in his son's racing
career, but frequently gives him advice.
"Nelsinho still has a lot to learn, and he knows that,'' Piquet
said. "I always try to keep him from making the same mistakes I
did early in my career. Fortunately, he is very dedicated to what
he does, much more than I ever was.''
Nelsinho began racing competitively in karting at the age of 8,
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"He has won in every category he has raced in,'' Piquet said.
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Grape Expectations
Despite the bucolic image, vineyard ownership can be every bit as stressful as a City career, as one former banker found
There is a threadbare adage that can often be heard around the cellars of London's wine trade, designed to add a little dose of reality to those who are tempted by the vignerons dream. Its central maxim is this: "The best way to make a small fortune is to start with a large one...and then buy a vineyard."
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The sales rooms of Sotheby's in Hong Kong and New York may still be reverberating from the record prices achieved by the first wines from Bordeaux's most famous properties, but for the thousands of winemakers who don't own Château Lafite Rothschild or Château Latour, the possibility of their wines ever selling for more than a $1,000 bottle is as remote as discovering gold under their vineyards.
To own a winery is to operate in one of the toughest business environments in the world, where one bad vintage can destroy a harvest, decimate the bottom line and send the owner careering towards financial ruin.
On top of any agricultural responsibilities, a vineyard owner also has to act as salesman, marketing director, chief finance officer and chief executive. If it sounds like a cluttered portfolio, it is because it is. Not that it deters anyone. Every year hundreds of men and women from Western Australia to Western Oregon decide to give up their day job to work in the uncertain world of wine production.
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For former banker James Kinglake, 46, that decision came on a Sunday evening in 2003, whilst driving back to London from a short break in the country.
"It had reached the stage where I was dreading going to work," he says. "Which isn't a good place to be. I'd had enough of the 5:00am starts and the 8:00pm finishes and despite the common conception I wasn't being rewarded as financially as I might be. In short, it was time to review our situation."
So in 2003 he left his job as head of equity sales at Commerzbank CRZBY 3.45 % and decided to make the ultimate career change from the sharp end of financial services to the uncertain world of winemaking.
With his wife Catherine he traveled to France where, after viewing more than 45 properties, they eventually bought Domaine Begude, nestled in the tiny appellation of Limoux, which sits in the Western Languedoc in the South West of France. With 90 hectares, 22 of which were under vine, a modern winery and supply contracts with some of Britain's biggest High Street retailers, it was an attractive commercial proposition.
Seven years on and the wines have caught the attention of the international press. Although it is still a boutique winery (production is around 150,000 bottles a year and the area under vine has increased to 25 hectares) in terms of operating at the cutting edge of the European wine market, Domaine Begude is there. It sells to companies such as Majestic wine warehouse and Waitrose in the U.K. and markets in Belgium, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden and the U.S.
"Would I do it again?" Reflects Mr. Kinglake from his sales office at Domaine Begude. "Yes, undoubtedly because of the lifestyle it affords me. But don't be under any illusions. Owning a vineyard is hard work. Very, very hard work."
Mr. Kinglake sees his role very much as that of a chief executive, looking after the commercial and sales side, while leaving his winemaking team to take care of production.
That team comprises a French winemaker, Laurent Girault, who manages the day to day production with two vineyard workers. Mr. Kinglake has also sought the services of Australian winemaker, Richard Osborne, who having had experience of making New World style wines consults for Domaine Begude.
It may sound idyllic but Mr. Kinglake says the pressure is every bit as intense as working in the financial services sector.
"The highs are much higher and the lows are much lower. There is no financial support, if anything goes wrong we are picking up the cost, there is no safety net because we are the employer," he says.
"In the City all the pressure came from above, to perform and make more money for the company. Now the most stressful part of the year is the growing season. We tend to look at the weather forecasts, a lot."
In 2006 the risk of bad weather came. A hail storm ripped through the vineyard destroying 15% of the crop. Unlike whisky or beer production where volume can be increased by adding more grain cereals, in wine the volume is solely dependent on the grape harvest.
"Yes you can be insured against hail," he says. "But it doesn't pay out at all. If you are simply growing grapes to sell onto the local co-op it will just about cover your costs. But if, like us, you are harvesting the grapes and making the finished product it doesn't really cover financially."
To compound matters, around the same time sterling's exchange rate with the euro sharply declined. With the U.K. being Domaine Begude's largest market the effect was very real. "Back in 2005 and 2006 the exchange rate was around €1.5 to the pound, so for our importers the wine was 30% cheaper," he says.
"Ordinarily in the U.K. retailers would have put their French, Spanish and Italian wines up in price but in Britain they had the double whammy of the currency collapsing and an economic meltdown. If they put their prices up sales would have gone to zero."
For his part Mr. Kinglake reacted by finding new markets in Europe. Now Britain only accounts for 20% of his sales compared with around 80% in 2005. He also exports outside of Europe to the U.S. and Asia.
"I did a trip around the world last year ago that almost killed me," he says. "In twelve days I visited Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo, and Los Angeles just selling our wines. It sounds very glamorous but the reality is it is very stressful."
As well as the risks associated with the weather and the economy there are also what Mr. Kinglake describes as the "many imponderables" which are difficult to foresee. These can range from clients falling into administration and not paying their invoices to wider wine drinking trends that effect sales of premium boutique wines such as Domaine Begude.
"People may want to buy the top wines from Burgundy but the reality is they probably can't afford it. So unfortunately everyone says they want to buy small Domaine, single vineyard wines but in practice most people are going down to the major supermarkets of an evening and buying a cheap bottle of wine." Despite this, the last vintage sold well. So well in fact that it is very difficult to buy Domaine Begude as the supply is so limited.
"We have been in this slightly odd situation for the last four to five months that we haven't had any wine to sell because our 2009 harvest wasn't very plentiful," he says. "All I have been doing is keeping existing customers happy and preparing for 2011."
He jokingly refers to making a profit for "the first time next year," but as he says the lifestyle more than compensates.
For many years, while they lived in London, he and his wife tried unsuccessfully for a baby. Within months of moving to France Catherine became pregnant and they now have a daughter."It's very nice going back to London, seeing friends and visiting restaurants. But would I want to live there again and go back to my old life?" He pauses: "No. I don't think so."
Mr. Lyons is the wine correspondent for the Wall Street Journal Europe. He can be reached at email@example.com.


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Today on Steve Gorman SPORTS!, Jeffrey recalled the time he had to tuck a passed out Jimmy Page into bed after a Black Crowes gig.
July 28, 2016, 6:13 pm
After the signing of Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jeffrey Gorman told Steve Gorman why this will finally be the year the Jets dethrone the Patriots in the AFC East.
July 26, 2016, 10:10 pm
After Randy Gregory's latest set-back, Steve and Jeffrey Gorman discuss another Cowboys off-season filled with off the field issues.
July 25, 2016, 7:34 pm
On the day of his retirement, longtime NFL wide receiver Greg Jennings finally told Steve Gorman SPORTS! which QB he preferred playing with.
July 22, 2016, 9:56 pm
JT The Brick sounds off on Le'Veon Bell and explains how a suspension could severely cost the Steelers and the Rooney family.
July 22, 2016, 8:17 pm
Former Vikings running back Robert Smith joins Steve Gorman SPORTS! to memorialize the life and career of his former mentor Dennis Green.
July 21, 2016, 8:58 pm
Steve Gorman SPORTS! wonders how the principal owner and chairman of the Charlotte Bobcats feels about the NBA pulling the All-Star Game from Charlotte because of their anti-LGBT laws.
July 20, 2016, 7:24 pm
Steve and Jeffrey discuss Kobe Bryant's letter to his 17-year-old self and why it was selfish and what he should have done to make his point better heard.