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Revolution Specs Secret...Forever?
Nintendo doesn't see the point of comparing numbers.
That doesn't mean Revolution won't have comparable graphics, though, because recent comments from within Nintendo have indicated users shouldn't be able to distinguish the visual quality of Revolution games from the competition. What's the deal? For one, we won't know based on hardware specifications; Nintendo doesn't want to release them.
When Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 were announced, one of the first press releases sent out by each company explained all of the technical specifications, detailing the advancements each company made in creating their next-generation console. An interview with Dutch magazine [N]Gamer picked up by Eurogamer seems to indicate Nintendo's not interested in playing the tech. comparison game with Microsoft and Sony.
"While some of our competitors enjoy comparing specifications, it has little or nothing to do with how satisfied the consumers will be with the system and the games once they are released," says Nintendo of Europe director of marketing Jim Merrick. "...we will probably never 'release' this information as we feel that it is largely irrelevant."
The same kind of approach to releasing specifications was thrown around during the GameCube, but those were released, so there's nothing to say Nintendo won't flip flop when they eventually decide to show off more of Revolution sometime next year.
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Comments (130)
RE: Raevyn_BladePosted: Mar 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by The_Pumpkin_King
Ya i kinda agree with you, but do u really just want to sit down and play traditional games forever, eventully people will want more then that and if the gaming industry just keeps on giving "traditional" games then the industry will fall. thats why nintendo is steping up to the plate and doing sumthing no one eles is yet. I dont think the rev will sell good at first, it will only sell to the peopl ewho belive in nintendo and not the mass gamers that just want graphics, but it will set in and people will want to get it. You can only go so far with graphics, once the graphics get too good there is no where eles to go, that why you have to be inovative and make sumthing new, like the Rev.
Graphics, Who needs themPosted: Mar 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by The_Pumpkin_King
I dont care about graphics at all, ya they are nice but i care more about gameplay and other stuff. Im going to get a Rev no matter what cuse i think what nintendo is doing is amazing. Someone can make a great game with shity graphics and and wont sell at all, but a game with amazing graphics that isnt much of a game itself will sell like crazy. So graphics are not the first thing i look for its just an add on that makes it that much better. I plan on picking up a PS3 also because it is going to have some great games on it. And within the next 10 years i belve we will have VR home consols too..sry im kinda ranting on, but u get my drift
rev specsPosted: Nov 23, 2005 12:00AM PST by Reyes07
Rev Specs: 2 G5 1.8GHZ CPUS (NOT 2XCORE) 512K L2 Cache 1200 MHZ Front Side BUS - Xbox 360â??s FSB is 1000 MHz 600MHz GPU with 12MB embedded 1T SRAM â?? 2x Pipes 4x T read? 128MB 1T SRAM MAIN MEMORY 600 MHz (L3 Cache to CPU and GPU) 256MB 400MHZ NEC design embedded DRAM Embedded 16-BIT HD 7.1Digital sound chip Dedicated sound bandwidth with zero affect on CPU 6GB HD Dual Layer Panasonic Discs When combined Rev CPUs equal 3.6 GHz. Uses copper wire for less heat and is 200MHZ faster than X360 via FSB A 3:1 balance ratio between CPU and RAM 1:1 balance ratio between GPU and Ram might not be true tho
some specsPosted: Nov 23, 2005 12:00AM PST by Reyes07
The specs: The system boasts 512 megabytes of internal flash memory, wireless controllers, two USB 2.0 ports and built-in Wi-Fi access. A worldwide network of Nintendo players can gather to compete in a comfortable, inviting environment. Revolutionâ??s technological heart, a processing chip developed with IBM and code-named "Broadway," and a graphics chip set from ATI code-named "Hollywood," will deliver game experiences not previously possible.
I want to know!!!Posted: Nov 20, 2005 12:00AM PST by DarknessRanger
I like comparing specs because im a techy kinda guy. Nintendo has already stated that they havent spent lots of money for new technology so you know it's not as powerful. It would still be nice to know since we know very little about the revolution as it is.
Are they that important?Posted: Nov 13, 2005 12:00AM PST by _veon_
The revolution is all about the games! If you look at the jum p between the N64 and the Gamecube, figure it won't be as severe as that, but either way, the jump will be a great graphical improvement, the GCN can handle Twilight Princess and RE4, so if its even only 2x as powerful as cube we will still get amazing graphics!
Don't be a tight @$$ Nintendo and release 'em.Posted: Nov 12, 2005 12:00AM PST by Yoshi420
If it doesn't matter what the specs are...why the hell don't they release them.it only get's people who care about these things more intrested in the console.and even if their low specs, and they pull off great graphics, people will be even more impressed.People like to compare, bottom line.And personally I like to know what's inside my gaming machine.Not that it holds any berring in my choice of a console,i'm just curious.
Specs? What about games?Posted: Nov 09, 2005 12:00AM PST by Aerin
Soecs don't matter to me as much as the launch title list. Honestly, why spend this kind of money if there isn't a single game you want to buy? It's the reason why I'm not all that excited about the 360. Really. It's just common sense, people.
I'VE SEEN THE SPECS!!!Posted: Nov 08, 2005 12:00AM PST by Bust-A-Cap
The specs were shown at ign.I can't remember much except that it has dual threaded custom IBM CPU @ 2.5ghz.
Swordplay?Posted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by IanHandley
can the revolution controller be used to simulate real time swordplay just by swinging? If it could it would be a welcome break from the usual one button for quick attack another for parry, etc. think of the lightsabre fights in a star wars game, or a sword fight in a total war game. It would certainly put more fun and energy into these games
Getting awayPosted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by Articuno76
In case you havn't noticed Nintendo showed nothing on game graphics at TGS, and suprisingly I didn't get the expected backlash of people dismissing it because of it. No, the NRV won't be as powerful as the other console. and the games won't look as good...but at the end of then day the new generation of soon-to-be-gamers of the Nintendogs ilk don't care, nor do they even know what 512 RAM is supposed to be. Besides if you read some forums you can tell that even seasoned gamers seem to have arguments over things that they think they know really well...for example the polygonal limit on the GC is lower than the PS2s, but is uses some kind of different structure so the effect matters little in performance.
XBOXlover...Posted: Nov 06, 2005 12:00AM PST by ReyMode
it's funny that you ask to list 25 games that Game Cube currently has when most people can't even name 5 that games that are worth playing on XBOX. Another thing is I don't believe playing only Star Fox will give you a good assessment of the GC. There are some great games on the Cube known or not: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Phantasy Star Online Episodes 1&2, Stars Wars Rogue Squadron:Rogue Leader 1 and 2, Lost Kingdoms, Resident Evil Zero, the orginal, the sequel, and 4 of course, Soul Calibur II, Super Samsh Bros. Melee, Mario Kart: Double Dash, Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, Metroid Prime 1 & 2, Fire Emblem.
No specs needed: nothing to compare toPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by hondana
Considering that the gameplay offered by the Revolution is not likely to compete with the 360 or PS3, what is the point in releasing the specs? Its not as though we are going to look at them and say "wow, we should get the revolution because it can do this better than the other consoles" we already know that Nintendo is trying to achieve something different to Microsoft and Sony. Also, when did anyone ask about the specs for the GameBoy and its successors? Not very often, because the handheld provided something that nothing else did successfully, so there was no need to know what went on inside it. My point is, that even with the Revolution specs in hand, what would we compare them to? And what would we gain from doing so?
if anyone can getaway without releasing specs it is nintendoPosted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by dingledavey
as long as grafics are comparable will it really matter if or what type of hardware it uses. it has to live up to the hype and really be "REVIUTIONARY"...........
RE: revo will be good for short amount of timePosted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by NikoKun
Obviously you dont know much about how the Revolution will be played... It is NOT a full body controller, so you wont be required to stand, as with the EyeToy. Very few have actually been able to try the controller, but those who have, swear by how good it is. It does not take large swinging motions... Just simple wrist motions and aiming. Think about it, as a computer mouse, only in 3D! Simple motions like that. Please go read some opinions of people that ACTUALLY played with the controller!!! And wait for a while, since we can't judge it yet... its not out yet! Give it a chance before you denounce it! Players wont get any more bored of that, than they do using traditional controllers, or playing with a keyboard and mouse. Unfortunetly, this is a major missconception about the controller... And Nintendo isn't 'fixing something thats not broken' they are inovating to improve an outdated controller... Which is needed in this day and age... without somethings like this to improve gaming, we'd likely see a major industry crash. For more on that, here's a great link: http://lostgarden.com/2005/09/nintendos-genre-innovation-strategy.html I'd like to also add, once again, if the controller, for some reason, does get boring, or unusable for some genres, We also have the option to use traditional style controllers as well.
revo will be good for short amount of timePosted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by firesidejordan
i mean how long do you want to be standing on your feet playing and swinging around. see nintendos trying to reach old folks and nongamers. they say they are not alienating curent gamers and fans but you know that they are. it i wanted motion senser i wiuld have bought an eye toy or one of those 50$ tennis of baseball games at radioshack. WHY FIX IT IF IT IS NOT BROKEN. There are more and more people who play video games each year
Eh, doesn't really matter...Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by thamashino
I've been playing XBox 360 demos at Walmart and even though they're not the final versions of the games...it seems as though they could have easily been played on the XBox. I mean yeah, it was a big jump in graphics from PS to PS2 and N64 to GC, but now it's really hard to see the difference in graphical quality from current gen to the next. So I think it's good that Nintendo doesn't invest so much $$ into making the Revolution a graphical powerhouse...we probably won't see much of a difference anyways. Push comes to shove, most of us will buy the next Zelda, Mario, and Metriod because they are the new Zelda, Mario and Metroid, not just because they may look better.
Specs....what do they really tell us?Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by Twin Tiger
Y'know, when I'm looking at a new car, I don't get caught up in specs.... I'm concerned about how it looks, how it handles, and how efficient it is. When you watch a movie, you're not concerned about what the gaffer did, or who the 2nd, 2nd, A.D. was; you just wanna see the story. I think it's cool that Nintendo doesn't want to reveal their specs, because that's not what they're about. Sony and Microsoft reveal theirs because that's what their target audience wants to see.... mainly Microsoft. XBox caters a lot to the PC gaming crowd who knows all the about those specs and what they mean. As technology gets more advanced, the specs get more confusing to the average person. Personally, I looked at the specs for 360 and the PS3 and I don't know what half of that crap means. And what difference does it make if the games still look the same? If you're into that stuff cool. All I care about is good games and how they play. Specs ain't gonna show me that. So I think Nintendo is playing it smart. It all comes down to the games, kids.
More of the same, yepPosted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by Gunslinger1
You know i, like other people am eagerly waiting for the next gen systems and i see alot of pictures of games that just look sweet and awsome, but then i think, well i was thinking the same thing the last launch of next gen systems at how awsome the graphics look, now i am thinking this generation of games is going the exact same way the last generation of games is going,"better graphics make better game" and that formula has been played to death, and i for one am getting a bit tired of that formula and am ready for something new and refreshing which is why i am looking foward to nintendos new system, of course i will get the other systems, but i am excited about what Nintendo has to offer
Raevyn_Blade & anyone else...Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by NikoKun
I really dont think you can complain about games not working with the Revolution Controller... Nintendo already has a solution! There are 2... yah TWO backups to that situation! The First, The Revolution has GameCube controller ports... so if for some reason, a game wont work with the new controller, it has a backup, to be played in traditional style! Second, Nintendo plans to also make an attachment, that the Revolution controller will slip into, turning it into a traditional, wavebird style controller! Here's a Pic: http://img.engadget.com/common/images/4732852316449374.JPG So there, I think that solves any problems with picky 3rd party support! =P I'd like to see more 3rd parties try their best to use the new controller... but... if for some reason, the game just wont be good that way... they do have the ability to use a traditional style controller! (btw, I dont give up, but try to ignore unintellegent bashing... 'never argue with a crazy person'.lol I will however do my best to answer questions, comment on opinions, and try to fix missinterpretations.)
let's be fair here...Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by TheBachelor
Let's not rip on the Big N for not divulging any specs, people. We honestly don't need to know, because when it's all said and done, and the dust settles, the Rev has a 95% chance of having hardware with software that has graphics comparable to at least the 360. Actually, maybe that's why they haven't said anything...maybe the Rev is as powerful as the 360, and they're just downplaying the issue. Ever thought about that?
wait a minute...Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by TheBachelor
Is there anyone here who actually works in the industry? Who says the Revolution won't get 3rd party support?? Does anyone here speak for all the 3rd parties who have and haven't yet pledged support?? Can someone please validate this "intelligent" opinion with some actual proof??
Thanks xbox360loverPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Raevyn_Blade
Xbox360lover is about the only person talking real sense here. It doesn't matter how innovative the system is, and nevermind the specs--if you can't get 3rd party support, you're in trouble. And given this new controller, Nintendo is in trouble. How are you going to play Soul Caliber on that????? Sure, you can make some pretty new and innovative games that will work great with that chanel changer thing, but for people like me who don't want innovation, and just want to be able to sit down and play a good old regular game without learning a brand new controller, this system is the worst thing in the world. Like I said earlier, I loved Nintendo, but they've just gone too far, and I won't be buying the Revolution.
Future??Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by TheBachelor
What's an "Xbox360 Lover" doing predicting Nintendo's future? Shouldn't you be drooling over Gears of War, or something? :P
By the wayPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Mortiferoz
After reading what you wrote. I say this about revoulution: Is uncertainly who will lead in this next gen. My bet is that sony will do it, but I'm not sure for how much time. I mean, Nintendo theysefl recognize that Gamecube hadn't a good preformance in the market so that's why they started to experiment with new kinds of ways of playing, what we can call DS. There begun the revolution, and all of us know that the technology used by the system isn't new, the screen, the microphone everything was created many years ago, but combining this for make a videogame is new. There, we got innovative game like feel the magic, wario, and many others that psp will never have and more upcoming. So this big support for the DS is the proof that graphics aren't the most important, but the way to play. Revolution is repeating this story, just we have to wait what are preparing for us the developers,after we see it, we can judge.
RumorPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Mortiferoz
I'm not sure if this can be revealed, but some guy typed the Rev. specs, and they seem to be very accuarate. System 1 Modified CPU: 1 IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz with 256 KB L1 cache and 1 MB of L2 cache (an L3 cache is rumored). Itâ??s Dual Threaded 13 billion dot product operations per second Revolution GPU ATI Custom based RN520 core. The "N" stands for Nintendo, and is because the ArtX team is with them, that is why itâ??s an "N". GPU core at 600 MHz. Will support up to 2048x1268 resolution, HD support is still being decided. Will have 256 MBâ??s of 1T-SRAM (the RAM is much better due to some tweaking, compared to GCâ??s RAM. The latency and Cells are much more efficient and faster. Around 1.2 ns is the latency, on average). 32 parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines. Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec> Shader Performance: ~50 billion shader operations per second Revolution memory 512 MB of 700 MHz 1T-SRAM Other bits and pieces Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MBâ??s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller. There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 â?? DTS 7.1, rumors has it will have 16 MBâ??s, like the Cube DSP [So thereâ??s the modified version. I think this would be on par with Xbox360, though PS3 could have an edge in the CPU area. In the GPU area the Revolution beats PS3, and technically would match Xbox 360.] Well this guy wrote this specs, is a mere rumor yet but this guy wrote too the 360 specs before they were officially anounced.
It dosent Matter...Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Airaku
Nintendo will win next generation I just have this feeling that they have a come back the revolution has a big secret not yet revealed that will explain why nintedo is doing this its going to be revolutionary It will kill sony for good, microsoft may end up with a black eye but they will probably still be able to fight back in the future
The Future of Nintendo?Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by xbox360lover
Yes i'm a 360 fan, but let us speak briefly of the revolution. The interface IS unique and innovative of this there can be no doubt. The only thing that concerns me is how third party developers are going to take to it. Sure you can scream that there are developers looking at the revo, but what is in developement? Those of us who grew up with nintendo know and love that company, but how are they growing their market(yes that sounds like J Allard i know)but consider this. You've got this left field controller and rising developement costs, how commited are u to the revo versus 360 and ps3? A trend is occuring. How many games in total has the gamecube released. All the Hot games are on xbox and ps2,(if you don't believe me then read any game magazine and see how many of the highest rated games are on the current console) that doesn't mean the cube didn't have any good games, but the DS is in the same boat, where's the software? The gamecube was supposed to be a revolution last gen. But was it really? sadly no. Name 25 hit games on the cube since it's release THAT MOST GAMERS KNOW, you can't because nintendo is catering to a select few(not bashing the nintendo faithful)those who dig the innovation (which is a subjective term) but not nescessarily a good time. When I bought my cube 2 years after it's released the only game that looked interesting at the store was star fox which also proved to be less than stellar. So what i'm saying here is that this next console is alienating developers AND new gamers. My younger brother doesn't care about all that nintendo has done, he just wants hs music, movies and games that look amazing. He wants HAlo 2, battlefield and battlefront, forza and jade empire. He probably doesn't even know who mario is.What is nintendo's vision?And where is it leading them?I don't know and I don't think they do either. That's the reason my user name is xbox360lover and not revolutionlover, the revolution was supposed to have happened over five years ago and in nintendos case I think they're going to need a miricle and not a revolution.
Listen upPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by TheBachelor
You know, if I told you that I was 100 ft tall, shot Jell-O from my butt, and was married to both BloodRanye and Lara Croft, would you Nintendo-bashers believe me? Seems so. I just gave you "specs", and that's all you seem to want or care about nowadays. Face the facts: Nintendo doesn't need to release any information because it is irrelevant. You don't call it a next-gen system if it has outdated hardware. You don't release a next-gen system with outdated hardware. The Rev's guts will have up-to-date technology that will produce great visuals within the console. 'nuff said.
Nintendo- the smart designerPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by perri
Go read that article that NikoKun has been posting over and over, I read it the other night. Its great, you've got to read the whole thing though. Basically this is what they say. While Nintendo won't have as powerful specs technically they will have a VERY VERY Efficient machine which will be able to produce visuals on par with the rest of the next-gen. They're smart, and they don't take the easy way out, they do the research, find out what will be the most affordable yet efficient method and they work on it from there, I think thats why it took a while to get the Revolution rolling into the media. The Revo's guts are going to be smaller, that doesn't neccisarily mean that it won't be able to compete- because they will. I don't understand why people refuse to listen, when the designers said it themselves. When the Sony people say 'The PS3 is going to be able to control all your electronics and will serve as an entertainment hub!' everybody says 'wtf?!' but THEY BELIEVE IT. and what happened? 'Oh sorry, maybe not-we chaged our minds, that won't be a feature anymore' Nintendo is avoiding this, they release information when they are 100% satisfied with it, look how long the controller took to be revealed. All they said at e3 was the design of the console and the downloadable library. Its obvious that that didn't make quite a splash but hey, its better than saying something and retracting it. Trust Nintendo, they know what they're doing- people laughed at the DS too, but last time I checked it was owning the PSP in 3rd party development and also in range/quality of games. Lets just think about what we say hmm? instead of automatically going negative when Nintendo gets mentioned. I think Nintendo is going to do this; Show the games; graphics on par with 360 release the specs; surprisingly lower, but more efficient smile; "I told ya so"
sonic snake?Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by popeoftheweasles
take another look at those games you listed under the x-box and ps2 as 'innovative' and think about how many of those were actually innovative. gta3? sorry, not innovative based on your own definition just antoher part of a franchise. in fact, most of those games you listed were parts of franchises halo? it was a great game but all in all not all that innovative. i'd say the only really innovative games were shadow of the collossus and katamari. just think next time you try and tout nintendo as leaning too heavily on their franchises, will you?
Probably a good move on Nintendo's partPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Yeebo
If the Revolution doesn't have the horsepower of the PS3, why should Nintendo divulge it's specifications? The statement "most users won't be able to distinguish the graphics quality of the Revolution from the PS3" is also perfectly accurate even if the revolution only has 2/3 the horsepower of the PS3. The average user won't be able to tell them apart. Nitpicky hardcore gaming nuts (the folks that post here), sure. But not Joe Average Gamer.
Wow there sure are a lot of haters out there.Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by XtremeGmr4life
People seem to forget that Nintendo has been around for more than 20years so yeah they are gonna have a lot of sequels and spin offs on there belt. Wait until Sony and Microsoft hit the 20year mark in the console gaming department. By then people will probably be tired of GTA: WALLA WALLA WASHINGTON and Halo 18 platinum edition with 5 new online maps. If you look at nintendos track record they have never really been the one to boast about the power of there system even though all there systems have been on par if not better than some. They kept a tight lip on the cubes specs for a while and come to find out it was more powerful than the ps2. Just because they don't say there specs doesn't mean they are afraid or they are lacking its just there style they like to let there games do the talking. Like they said once the chips are all down and they get to see it at its peak performance than we will get to know a little bit more. I'm not a nintendo fanboy or anything like that I have just been with them since the beginning and know what to expect. Also out of all three next gen consoles the Revoltion is only one I am picking up on launch day because of the free online service, a fresh and new controller setup, and my personal favorite the ability to download nes, snes, and n64 titles. I will be picking up a 360 and ps3 also but only after about a month and a half after release to see whats up.
FagsPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by metroidfreak
There IS a point in number comparisons. Nintendo's lack of vision will destroy it before 2015.
ppl plz, stop bashing... -_-Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by NikoKun
I see a LOT of posts, bashing Nintendo... Frankly, most those people seem to be in a 'Anti-Nintendo Fangroup' -_-... BTW, calling everyone supporting Nintendo 'fanboys' is not an intellegent way to support your opinion. IMO I have not seen anyone come up with an actual intellegent/legitimate reason that the Revolution is a bad console... -_- I will post this link ONE MORE TIME: http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/revolution.ars I recommend you all read that. Nintendo may not have higher numbers for most hardware as the others, but they have some higher numbers, where it counts the most. Extra L2 Cache will add a HUGE boost in preformance!! And since Nintendo isn't going for HD, less processing power is required to make graphics look the same as the other consoles, ON NORMAL TVs. (which most people have... HDTVs are still far off from being the average home norm) And if you have questions about the whole 'nintendo doesn't care about specs thing'... read the previous comments... Its not a sign that they are 'assamed' of their specs... its that those specs really DONT matter... for one this is part of a marketing technique... and seriously, they will announce numbers, when they have IN GAME figures. Nintendo doesn't rush stuff, they dont overhype stuff, and the take their time to prefect things. Will will know the specs, give it time. Shigeru Miyamoto: 'We could throw out a bunch of numbers, too, but what we're going to do is wait until our chips are done and we're going to find out how everything in the game is running, what its peak performance is, and those are the numbers that we're going to release because those are the numbers that really count.'
Re:sonic snakePosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by redneckrevolver
Your right Nintendo does do updates of their games alot but thats because they have been around for twenty years. Give Sony twenty years of gamming and Im sure you will be sick of Socom 9 GTA 10 etc There are alot of 3rd party developers looking at Nintendo right now so they will have more than just 1st party games. Sony is doing Exactly what the N64 did high horse power and a PAIN to develop for (N64 dated cartridge format,PS3 blu ray). Nintendo and Microsoft are going to rule this one as history will repeat its self by pissing of developers with high cost issues only this time it wont be Nintendo
Thank You Vanq-Man!Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by VindicatedTwisties
You hit the nail right on the head Vanq-Man. Just because Revolution's numbers arent as high as the competitors doesnt mean that it is utterly crippled. You all have to realize that the technology going into the Revolution is essentially the same as the competitors but may not be as powerful. You all act Revolution is going to be old gamecube tech wrapped up in a pretty new package. Sony and MS have postured and threw up all these numbers that most of you idiots probably don't even understand. All you can see is "Oh, that number is higher than their number. So that must be better"
oddPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Revolution_Commander
Unless nintendo somehow magically came up with a way of making better graphics with lower specs then i have no idea how this could benefit them. sure i dont grade systems on how much power they have but its still good to know what the hell runs the damn thing.
Prove me wrongPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Darksquirrel
This is Nintendo trying to sidestep there apparent weakness in the market thats all. This is like buying a car and the car salesmen telling you that horsepower and car specs don't matter it's all about how cool the steering wheel is, it doesn't matter if the car corners like crap and goes zero to 60 in around 12 seconds because it's all about the steering wheel.
Nintendo still going to come out with the same old gamesPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by sonic_snake2
For all their talk of innovation their still going to come out with the same old Mario and Zelda games. Just because they made a new interface to play games does it mean that they are going to make new kinds of games. Nintendo has relies on their classic franchise for years. Theirs noting wrong with that but when you are running around screaming about innovation and making comments about how the industry is growing steal and acting like their the only one doing something Innovative then relaying on your same old franchise just is it enough any more. I disagree with Nintendo's philosophy they think that creating new interfaces for games is going to some how make new games. the thing that they of all the major players should know is how you design a game has a lot more to do with how Innovative a game is going to be not weather you can point a stylus at a screen or wave around a controller. its funny how Nintendo acts like their games are so Innovative when the real Innovative games of this console generation have been coming out for PS2 and Xbox. PS2:Indigo Prophecy,Katamari Damacy,ICO,Shadow of the Colossus, Grand Theft Auto 3,Fatal Frame,Jak and Daxter, Metal Gear Solid 3,Psychonauts,Ratchet & Clank,Silent Hill 4,God of War,Stubbs the Zombie,Beyond Good and Evil,Karaoke Revolution,The Warriors,Super Monkey Ball Deluxe,Viewtiful Joe,Resident Evil 4 Xbox:Deus Ex:Invisible War,Halo,Jade Empire,Karaoke Revolution,MechAssault,Ninja Gaiden Black,Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic,The Chronicles of Riddick,Phantom Dust Beyond Good and Evil,Indigo Prophecy,Psychonauts,Grand Theft Auto 3,Fatal Frame,The Warriors,Stubbs the Zombie,Super Monkey Ball Deluxe Gamecube:Beyond Good and Evil,F-Zero GX,Luigi's Mansion, Legend of Zelda:The Wind Waker,Mario Party,Metroid Prime, Mario Superstar Baseball,Mario Power Tennis,Mario Golf:Toadstool Tour,Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door ,Pikmin,Resident Evil 4,Super Smash Bros Melee,Star Fox: Assault,Super Mario Sunshine,DDR:Mario Mix,Animal Crossing ,Super Smash Brothers Melee,Donkey Konga,Kirby Air Ride, Mario Kart:Double Dash,WarioWare:Mega Party,Super Monkey Ball,Viewtiful Joe If Nintendo is so innovative then why has most of the innovative games come out for other consoles. Thats the reason why the first next gen system I buy is not going the be Nintendo. because Nintendo is just going to be making the same old games for the Revolution. I know that Iam going to get a new gaming experience on PS3 and xbox 360 and you can look at this console generation has proof.
Revolution???Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by new_age_soldier
Its almost certain that the 360 and PS3 are going to be more powerful than Rev. Nintendo fans should not complain since they are getting a TV remote innovation...Really exicting...really...TV remote...Gra...Phics...ZZZ. lol.
'Tis TruePosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by smew
The Xbox of the past generation had the best system specs and ps2 seemingly had the most basic. Yet does it really matter? Resident Evil 4 looks as good as Halo 2 did on Xbox and Nintendo's Legend of Zelda: TP is nothing short of orgasmic eye-candy.
next gen. = last gen.Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by punkheadass
I for one am not impressed by the graphics on the PS3 or the Xbox 360 and to be quite frank, i haven't played anything innovative in video games since the DS, but software is lacking from developers. My best bet is that if it becomes to expensive to develop for the PS3 and the Xbox 360, developers are going to look else, the Revolution. Even if Nintendo doesn't take the lead in this up coming generation of video game consoles they will have elevated the standard of gaming.
Those Doubters Will Be Very Surprised!Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Vanq-man
ALl those people assumin the Revolution will have a huge graphics difference the size of N64<-->Cube, compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3 are in for a shock. Look at history, Nintendo do not produce extremely weak graphical machines compared to the competition. They never have! Those who believe that the Revolutions graphics will be the same as the Cube's are making a bad assumption. How many years have passed since it was first released, about 5? That is a 5 year old GPU, do you ppl have any idea how fast technology advances these days. 5 years means a lot of difference has been made in the production of processors, GPU's, etc. Miniturisation also means that things can be made a hell of a lot smaller than they could have been done 5 years ago. The size of the Revolution may lead some to believe that it is so inferior to the competition but they will be wrong. You can pack a lot of power into a small space nowadays and this is their aim. The reason the Xbox 360 and PS3 are considerably bigger is because they will be packed with many components that have nothing to do with gaming. A next gen gaming focused console such as the Revolution CAN be that small without compromising on performance. Do NOT forget that 'Broadway' is being developed by IBM and 'Hollywood' is being developed by ATI. These companies do not compromise on performance and I'm sure when we see actual footage or screens we will not be dissapointed. Trust me, the Revolution will be more powerful than some ppl assume it to be. Just because the specs may not be as high, doesnt mean that it wont be able to hold its own. For example can you imagine Resident Evil 4 looking at least 4x as good as it does now?
What to expect?Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by ZiggyMoShriff
I think that what Nintendo is doing is shrouding this thing in as much mystery as they can so that when they release it it blows everyones minds. Its an interesting tactic and I won't be surprised if it makes the curious salivate all the more for Nintendo's nifty little next-gen console.
I've Had ItPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by shull_leader
Are you kidding? You make change all the time and now you want to say that Nintendo is stupid for going out of the box. You need to move to Anartica and live your life the same way everyday. GIVE IT A FREAKING CHANCE BEFORE YOU JUDGE!!!
This next gen is about the gamesPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by lunaclown
It will be about the games. The graphics will be there..solid and looking very nice on all 3 platforms. In the end it will come down to gameplay and I think that is why Nintendo doesn't really care to say whats "under the hood". I'm sure we'll all be happy with the systems that we buy this next generation...I'm looking forward to all the kick ass games.
RE:agent111Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by 33PercentGod
Yes agent111,I can name a shitton of Nintendo games I didnt think were fun.The first Gamecube game I played on the system bored me shitless (Metroid Prime). There are no "facts" in an opinionated segment.
RE: I've had itPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by psufreak100
Just relax, we barely know anything about the system yet. Just give it time and let things play out, so to speak. Maybe it will end up being the best video game system of all time... or the worst. Point is we just don't know enough right now to judge so harshly.
I've had it!Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Raevyn_Blade
I have to say that I've just about had it with Nintendo. I'm sick of their "innovations" and frankly retarded ideas about what the gaming market wants. (System specs are irrelevant!!! What are you thinking, Nintendo???) And not to say that innovation is bad, but innovation at the cost of everything familiar is too much. Maybe I'm just "old fashioned," but I don't want to learn how to use a brand new controller every time a new system comes out, which is exactly what has happened with Nintendo's last three systems now (including Revolution). And who wants to play video games with freaking remote control???!!!! That is going to ~kill~ third party support for the Revolution. I used to love Nintendo--Zelda is the first game I ever played, and the SNES Final Fantasies were the best in the franchise, in my opinion--but Nintendo's been going downhill ever since the SNES, and with Revolution they've gone too far! Even Zelda can't convince me to buy this one!
There will always be......Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by agent111
Room for a nintendo system in my house. They make games that you just won't see anywhere else. I always look forward to the next mario or zelda. Can anyone name a game that was made by nintendo that was not fun? They invented modern gaming, and nobody can force nintendo out of it.
They deserve itPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by EmperorSamoth
I never liked Nintendo and their NES days of bullying the market with their monopoly over 3rd parties, literaly sinking the SMS or any other competitor. Yes people, there were other 8-bit systems out there. That being said, Nintedo does make some amusing and innovative games, but in my humble opinion, they deserve to be behind Sony and Microsoft in the videogame arena. Their attitude of quality over quantity is a good one, but how about sticking to more original games and less remakes of old NES and SNES games? Nintendo does make a profit because they market the crap out of their characters so people who don't play games on a regular basis, will go out and buy the latest Pokemon game, or all 20 of them, play it for a bit and leave it gathering dust. I know this for a fact because all the females I know that bought those games and systems did just that. Nintendo knows their audience doesn't care about specs because they're not techies (non-gamers, little kids, females) or they are fanboys/girls. It's only a matter of time before Nintendo starts making games for other systems. But as it is right now, they are still in denial and Toys 'R' Us is their best friend.
where do you guys get your infromation!?Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by perri
Nintendo losing third party support on the rev??? They've GAINED A TON! haven't you read the developer impressions?? Hideo Kojima is already working on a game for Rev with his MGAc!d team, and Square has confirmed TWO LAUNCH TITLES for the machine. Honestly, are you guys looking for facts or are you just assuming? Another thing it is the PS3 who is losing developer support, it is all over the internet, the machine is just too hard/ expensive to develop for, and its even hard to port multi platform games too. Now I don't know if you guys are aware but Nintendo makes the most profit in the gaming sector, mainly because they don't lose any money on their products, they sell at a profit. Sony and MS both sell under cost and therefore lose money on every console sold. Sony was able to make it back with game sales but MS got ripped this gen. FACT: Nintendo's profit is comprable to the entire Sony Corp. don't believe me? here; http://www.cubed3.com/news/4145 and I know its a Nintendo fansite, but look at the sources, reliable corporations and the competitors themselves. so don't say stupid stuff like that Nintendo was only 2 billion short of Sony's all around profit, and Sony does everything. I'd say thats pretty impressive, AND if Nintendo didn't have the money to develop top teir consoles then why have they? They said the graphics will be on par, and I believe it would be pretty expensive to engineer a controller like that, another thing, at the same time they developed 2 new handhelds and are providing FREE online services for both the DS and the REV...ya they must not have any money, because its cheap to give millions of people free internet...
SorryPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by redneckrevolver
PS3 Most power under the hood Hard to develop for. N64 Most power under the hood (at the time) hard to develop for. The reason why 3rd parties left Nintendo and it will happen to Sony. I am no fanboy but I see Nintendo and Microsoft taking a big chunk of the pie Sony is just too ignorant to realize this, you would think they would learn from Nintendos mistakes they already copy them on everything else (analog stick rumble feature shoulder buttons) Sorry but the TRUTH hurts
RE: RE: I Think Its Soooo Funny....Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by capbostallonegger
If i repeat IF nintendo could make a console more powerfull than either MS or Sony then they would have done it by now stupid statements like it`s not about tech specs are just that STUPID as we all know gameplay is important and innovation is as well but if you have the best hardware the gameplay and innovation can be achieved easier as you can reach further heights as there is less restriction on what you can do. developing a top spec console requires many millions to develop and nintendo do not have the resources that MS or Sony have to develop brand new hardware like that which is why they look for different control systems and cute games to win the publics affection don`t be fooled by political posturing the hardware might not be as good as Ps3 or Xbox360 but rest assured the games will be..
nintendoPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by dragon630
nintendo will not do better just cause of a controller. and it dont matter how many mario or zelda games they come out with they wont do any better and they might do worse this time if they dont get 3rd party support like sony and ms have. and if nintendo does fail then it really wouldnt matter cause sony and ms could hold the gaming market up
Re:VindicatedTwistiesPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by 33PercentGod
So explain to me how it's good for Nintendo to try to bring in "non gamers",but when Microsoft does it by giving you choice then it's "bad and confusing"? More fanboyism I suppose? I'm not biased toward one system (I just actually hate Sony),i'm just sick of fanboys who think that "their company" can do no wrong when they are doing the same shit as everyone else. I don't know how well Nintendo is going to pull off their 3rd party support when I heard they lost MORE support with this controller and they already didnt have very much with the Gamecube. I know Resident Evil 5 is CONFIRMED for the 360 and PS3 but I have yet to hear about anything for the Revolution (and if it is do you really think Capcom is going to make a special Revolution version for it)? All i'm saying is that right now it looks like the only games on the Revolution will be ones that Nintendo make themselves.You say "yeah,but you can use the shell",but isnt that the point of the Revolution is to GET AWAY from the old "confusing controllers",so why would a shell even be available? I guess we just have to see where the road takes us.
RE: I Think Its Soooo Funny....Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by VindicatedTwisties
Nintendo can make a killer machine any day of the week. They can just take the specs that PS3 and X-Box has and make a more powerful machine. IBM is basically supplying the CPUs. What Nintendo wants to do is bring in gamers and non-gamers alike. They want to make something affordable, easy to develop for, and be reasonably on par with the other systems. Nintendo wants to get away from the numbers game and they do something that i respect them for that none of the other companies do. They care about their fans by constantly mixing it up and giving us somehting new and not just rehashing the same junk but with more HP. Nintendo will never fail! As long as they have a hold on the portable market they will continue to go strong and experiment with different ways to innovate gaming! The GCN was able to pull off some gorgeous visuals when developers took their time on games ala RE:Remake, RE:0, RE4, Both Zeldas, Both Metroids, and Mario. It is confirmed that the Revolution will be at least 4 times more powerful that GCN that should make for some pretty visuals! With that said Nintendo doesnt need to offer up specs so quickly. If they say its 4 times more powerful than GCN then thats good enough for me. The haters just need to crap on Nintendo about something and so far the specs are the only thing they can dish out. They cried about the controller not being able to play conventional games, then Nintendo announced a cradle. You have to realize that ANY GAMEPLAY THAT IS POSSIBLE WITH THE PS3 and X-BOX WILL BE POSSIBLE ON THE REVOLUTION whereas THE OPPOSITE CANNOT BE SAID (unless Sony and MS rips off Nintendo's idea.) The DS maybe underpowered and kinda ugly but hell it's a hell of a lot of fun. If I wanted something 'sleek and sexy' I woulda just gotten the PSP, put a chain around it, and wear it around my neck.. right now with the games coming out for it, its pretty much all its good for. I am guessing that the visual differences will be minimal and due to the unique new controller there will be way more exclusive games on the Revolution. Can you imagine a Resident Evil game that switches from first person shooter, Knife battles, and the usual over the shoulder? There are so many new possibilities with the Revolution its mindblowing and I really feel sorry for all you haters who instantly dismiss the Revolution or think Nintendo will die. I think you all hate because you're scared of the future that Nintendo is offering. Open your brainwashed Sony and MS minds and let your imagination wander again... This was a long response.. I am so done with this topic...
Nintendo Devolution!!Posted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by 33PercentGod
Now am I allowed to bash the Revolution like all you idiots do the 360? Oh why not,because it's precious Nintendo and they are God/can do no wrong? I keep hearing you idiots spew crap like "Xbox 1.5" because the "graphics arent next gen",but then I hear you people saying "It's OK Nintendo,gameplay matters not graphics" 2 seconds later. Oh the irony and fanboyism is strong here. Nintendo Devolution is not even high definition!!! That's the G4yz0rs!! It's LamEcuB3 .05!!It's onLy lyke...4 t1mes m0re p0w3rfuL than t3h Lam3cube!!! Now listen how retarded that sounds and then maybe you will realize that's how idiotic YOU morons sound bashing the graphics on the 360 but then 3 seconds later saying "It's gameplay not graphics that matter" in regards to the Nintendo Devolution.
i think it's soo funnyPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by ApexShockWave
why is it that now nintendo say they dont like to compare? i remember when the snes came out they used to brag about how many colors the snes could do,Or how the snes had mode 7 and the genesis didnt,same thing happen when the n64 came out they bragg and bragg till they got there asses whoop, now to them specs dont mean shit..
blah blah.....my 2 centsPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by wishfool
alright, graphics are graphics. sure i like them to be pretty and all, but i bring ya back to the 3DO that had a full motion video game with almost naked chicks and all that, but the game sucked. then you go to a trivial puzzle game that is merely lines droping and it rules. i liked to be wooed by graphics, but like to be wooed by gameplay even more. guess i'm just a sucker. specs are specs and i don't get a sh**. i'm not developing a game for it so what do i care how fast it runs, or how much of it fits in this memory before it goes to something else. the finished product is what i'm concerned with as a consumer. and now my biggie, the controller. woohoo, i think it's gonna be awesome. i've always like FPS games, but having to look around with another joystick. seems sluggish to me. however, i really like FPS games on the computer with keyboard and mouse. that's 'basically' what this controller does. my love for FPS games will ferment on this console. also, think about the possibilities, here a few: imagine driving a tank in a war game and looking around blowing something up just cause you turned your hand a little to the left and hit the A button; imaging being a quarterback and looking around frantically and finally finding someone open. this concept has a lot of potential with first person game which is where i think gaming should if it is not shifting. maybe they will release a FPS multiplayer game compatible across all consoles and i'll be there to kick yo A$$ with my little remote control......... anyway, i've rambled enough flame on.........lol wishfool
honestlyPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by reaperX72
if the games are rad would we even care what is under the hood? specs are cool, but remember the game cube had a better graphics engine and that did not turn out so well for them. systems are defined by their games, not their power.
YepPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by Gunslinger1
The specs don't matter i would have to agree there and like a lot of people, i was a bit thrown back when nintendo did finally unveil their new controller for the revolution, at first i thought they had fallen off their wagon, but after reading up on what this controller can do, i am VERY excited about it and i don't think its just a gimmick i honest believe if they pull this thing off just right they could own the console market,just because games are getting alittle repetitive these days, i think they could implement a lot of new puzzles and gameplay,just thought i would say that
3 letters: NDAPosted: Nov 02, 2005 12:00AM PST by williambraski
Nintendo may never make an official press release regarding the specs of the Revolution, and really who cares? As a game player I don't care if has a flux capacitor that can warp space time so long as the games frickn' rock. And second, I'm sure potential developers will be made, and signed up devs have been made, well aware of what the specs will be. However, short of an anonymous leak, I doubt they'll say if Nintendo requires a NDA of any kind. Nintendo's point is this "That's great your machine is faster and looks pretty. But the games play no different than on the last machine." I for one can't wait until Halo 3 comes out with more polys and the same game mechanics. And to the guy who says graphics make or break a machine, to an extent I understand your point. Your point is, "That chick with the bigger boobs is the one I want to spend my life with, who cares if her IQ is 40." It might be a selling point and move machines at first, but MS has lost money on Xbox the majority of its life-cycle. I'm sure Sony wasn't making a whole lot on the PS2 at certain points. If the word gets out that "Man there aren't any games that are worth it." the software sales will suck and devs will stop making games for it. Will that happen with the X360 or PS3? Not likely. But does the ability to push more polys make or break a machine? Again, not likely. Honestly I think the only reason MS is even making another console is the 50+ billion in cash that just keeps growing off the interest. If any other corp. lost as much as they have on it, the Xbox would be next decades collectors item.
I concur.Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by TheBachelor
NikoKun and Perri are correct in their opinions. Well done. :)
I agreePosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by DarthViking
The specs really dont matter.As powerfull as the PS3 and 360 will be,there will undoubtably be crappy games for both systems that wont take advantage of the specs the system's offer.He*l,I play my GBA games more than any games for my home consoles and those are on a 32-bit handheld!
NikoKun & Perri Preach ItPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Crusty_Strait_Edge
Yes u guys seem to have a good handle on things and yes there need not be any assumtions this comming console war cause it's all up in the air.
justicedone & firesidejordanPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by NikoKun
First of all, Nintendo wont go down that easilly... and neither should they! Out of all the game companies out there, they make the best hardware; best quality, best affordability, and even best durability. Nintendo are the ones that SHOULD be making more hardware, rather than Sony or MS... =P And what do you people have against the controller? The Revolution Controller is the best thing to happen to gamming since the keyboard and mouse! Seriously, its basically a 3D mouse with the directional control of thumb stick in your left hand! If you doubt how well it will work, people have already made imatations of it! just take a look at this link! http://revo-europe.com/news.php?nid=8399 Half-Life 2:Deathmatch becomes awesome to play that way! ^_~ I'm not a soul Nintendo fan, I still like Sony stuff too, I've had a PS2 longer than I've had a GC... It just, I know a good product when i see it! =P BTW, Thanks NickSahalo'sAssassin for posting that link again ^_~... thats got some awesome hardware info, it deserved its own post! lol
lets set something straight, its bothering mePosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by perri
Look guys, I understand that most people don't like the gamecube because their to preoccupied playing rehashed 'halo killers' on their PS2's but I just HAVE to clear something up. For some reason people like 'MAST3R CHI3F' STILL think that the PS2 is more powerful than the Gamecube( funny chi3f, that you claim you understand the spec talk and still think that the PS2 is stronger than the GC). THATS HILARIOUS! Have you seen the ResEvil4 comparisson pics? they're laughable. I'm not saying Sony has bad hardward, although they do(not because of the graphics tho, they're fine, its just the fact that it doesn't work) The PS2 is almost a year older than the GC or the XBox. Honestly, these people think that the PS2 is more powerful because more people play it??? FACE THE FACTS; GRAPHICS DON'T MATTER AS LONG AS ITS COMPRABLE. This Gen PS2 is ruling and it is the WEAKEST console technically. The DS is OWNING the PSP, especially with thrid party support, and it is MUCH weaker a device. Another thing, don't assume anything, everybody was caught of gaurd by the controller right? don't think that this automatically means 'OHHH!! NINTENDO IS ASHAMED OF THEIR HARDWARE!! HAHAH" no. Why would Nintendo release something they were ashamed of??? they have NEVER EVER released anything they didn't believe in. THEY EVEN DELAYED ZELDA to PERFECT IT. Use some logic people, their just holding information to add to the intruige and mystique that already surrounds the Revolution
heres some specsPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by NickSahalo'sAssassin
dont know if anyone else seem this but the rev specs are really close to both ps3 and xbox http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/revolution.ars
Who doesn'tPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Samowhat
Get to download all 20+ yrs. of games, it'll be cheaper, WiFi ready (could you imagine if possible playing old school Contra or Goldeneye without trying to get the closest friend to come to your house to play). I like all the systems and if I had the money I'll own them all but I'll wait for the price to come down on the other two (which it will eventually) and go for the next gen Nintendo. Graphics would deffinitely look good, they're good now (Metroid Prime anyone). P.S. I have all three systems currently, I like Gamecube better (they have the least amount of games that are repetitive and they are innovative, how many times can you play GTA over and over same rehash different name, I stopped at Vice City partial way because it was like the game just before, now it is collecting dust hold my paper down).
re: justice donePosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by firesidejordan
thank you nicely put. I have been saying the same thing for as long as nintendo showed the controler.
RE: MrCrazySwordsPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by NikoKun
'Whoever says graphics don't make or break systems is an idiot.' By your definition, Graphics DONT make or break a system... A good majority of people that buy new consoles, are the ones that had already played videogames, and alot of them have been around since SNES days. 'new people' to the industry do care about graphics... but they are a smaller percentage than those that have been playing games for years. You really can't even say that Graphics are even that big of a deal even with new players! Its still the games that make a console! Yah there are those out there, that see a new system for its graphics, and want it... But would you want a system that was all show, and no fun? o.O Just as an example, look at Animal Crossing... terrible N64 graphics, on the modern GC system... yet it was fun, so it became extreamly popular! I know, I loved it! Its a tough argument to figure out who is right in this situation... but no one really is, we both have valid points... and I'm sure neither of us are 'idiots'... ;P (btw, if this is a double post, sorry, 1up seems to be lagging or something)
doesnt matterPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by NickSahalo'sAssassin
ethier way not matter what any of you say people will still buy the rev right now ps3 sounds like the "flop" with the lack of its 3rd party cause the prices are super high that no company even want to risk making a game for it and whats this? do i hear a 2007 release!? pretty pathetic, with square and the other 3rd parties already making titles for rev sounds like a winner to me and with nintendo's 1st party games most likely going to be winners. and so what about the controller ps3 cant really talk with there bananna boomer range contraption that does not even the slightest bit look comfortalbe.right now ps3 cant even talk.
This move is one of two things...Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by DaveB
The smartest move they've ever made, or the most retarded move they've ever made. I mean sure, I'd love to see Nintendo come out of the gates with some hardware that can keep up with the PS3 (let's face it, PS3 whoops 360), but I'm not getting my hopes up. If recent history has shown anything, when Nintendo is thinking innovation, the graphics are the first thing to suffer. I may love my Nintendo DS, but I'm not naive enough to pretend its visuals are terribly overwhelming. All we can do is hope.
I get the pleasure of flaming "justicedone" first!Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by biggersmaller2
Nintendo will never go 3rd party. It took the SEGA CD, 32X, Saturn, and Dreamcast to fail before SEGA went 3rd party. Nintendo has one failure...the Virtual Boy (no the GC isn't a failure due to it's high profitability). Nintendo is making a healthy profit gearing their innovative and refreshing products to a niche market, and they apparently like it that way. It's because of these reasons Nintendo is the Apple Computer of gaming, and will allow their competitors to have their profit wasting war.
Re: MrCrazySwordsPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by typical-male
It's people like you who are ruining video games. You are basically saying "I don't want to watch Fellini because it's in black and white, even though it's better! I want to watch Supercross: The Movie because it has bright colors and tits and motorcycles!" There is room in the world of videogames for blockbusters and "art games", but you need to recognize which side you're on. And that side is "art be damned, I want explosions". Until people like you realize this, videogames will never come into their own as an artistic medium.
Mario/Zelda 07 on XBOX 360Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by justicedone
Give it up Nintendorks ! This system will be a HUGE flop, the controller is circa Phillips CDI, the design circa IKEA, and the games will be geared to all 12yr olds. I have been a long time supporter of the big N and bought EVERY single system since they hit the scene in 85 when I was 20yrs old! But...their time has passed, they need to do a "sega" in the next generation and simply put their efforts to software and of course back the best next-gen hardware the Xbox360 !!! I will buy a ps3 likely, havent missed a system yet, but I dont think it will be better than xbox, ps2 certainly isnt.
Whoever says graphics don't make or break systems is an idiotPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by MrCrazySwords
Sure it may not make a difference to fan boys, and people who've played since pong but when new people come into the gaming industry they want eye candy damn it. They don't care if FFVII *supposedly* was the best they want FF XII because it's newer and shinier.
RE: GroverPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Eques_Ardor
Uhh, dude... they don't have to pubicly release the specs. We might not know what the specs are until some developer leaks them, because Nintendo might not.
More dumb stupid fanboy fodder..Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by GroverFD
Seriously, this is a plain stupid rant. Of course the spec _HAVE_ to be released, otherwise developers wont be able to scope the design for a project? Talk about infinitely stupid.. Imagine it.. Nintendo say dont worry about specs, so developers go off and make some amazing huge content game.. and oh.. geez .. it runs at 2 fps.. come on 1up this is complete BS...
wow people...Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by NikoKun
I've never seen soo many people, blind from a simple marketing technique before! lol I mean comon! Its pretty clear what they are doing! Feeding their fans only tiny peices, making them want more. The Controller was just a Hook to get us more interested. lol I promise we will see more and more from Nintendo, the closer it gets to the launch date. Also, a lot of you seem to think the Revolution will only a little better than current gen... when in reality, it will be just as graphicly competitive to PS3 and 360, as the GC was to the PS2 and Xbox! The only noticable differences will be if you compare the 2 on a HD TV! Besides, GRAPHICS ARE NOT OF 'MAKE OR BREAK' IMPORTANCE! Its the games, and the way you play those games!!! And if you dont see that, you have a very shallow opinion of videogames... =P One of you claims 'you can't fit hardware that good into such a small box' and to you, i say: Just watch them! Nintendo has always been at the top of the list when it comes to hardware quality... no doubt about it! Also have to hand it to Nintendo, for not overhyping... Both MS and Sony, are extreamly guilty of this right now... Which in the end, makes the gamefans disapointed. Nintedo is taking a very humble stand with their marketing. Just cause my previous post fell benieth the bottom of the posts, I'll repost some of the info that was in it: ------------ Hardware specs wont remain secret... but Nintendo wont make a big deal out of their hardware specs. What matters, is how the console will preform in-game! Shigeru Miyamoto said it pretty good: 'We could throw out a bunch of numbers, too, but what we're going to do is wait until our chips are done and we're going to find out how everything in the game is running, what its peak performance is, and those are the numbers that we're going to release because those are the numbers that really count.' This article: VERY IMPORTANT READ THIS! LOTS OF HARDWARE INFO! http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/revolution.ars Has some awesome info about the specs on all consoles, but most specifically, it shows that the Revolution may not be all that behind the other consoles! The revolution has some hardware features that are more important to gaming than the others do... (l2 cache is important) XD At any rate, I'll like to see a comparison after all the consoles are out, that compares each system's in-game specs! Not that it will matter much for me, I'll be getting a Revolution anyway! ^_~ Edit/add: Nintendo is Also focusing more on older audiances this coming gen too! =P They said so, and I'll beleive them more than I'll ever beleive MS or sony... =P
I'm down with all three consoles.Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by EnderOne
Although I'll stick by my PS2 because it's the one, it would be cool to see Nintendo reclaim it's rightful place, on the throne of console gaming. I think revolution can does this, I'm pretty sure it has the potential, it just better have the games.
my predictionsPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Fearmonkey
This will be the gamecube II, in that it's number 3 in sales. I would like to see it be different, but Nintendo keeps making dumb decisions. This might work in japan, but the USA loves their specs.
Not nearly as powerful as the others...Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Romuluss
This is towards those who Nintendo is going to "surprise" us with really powerful specs. First of all its physically impossible to cram in hardware thats of equal or greater power than the PS3or360 in that small "DVD sized" case. Secondly we all know by now(or at least shold know) that the Cell is the most powerful CPU, and the Xenos and the RSX are the two best GPU's, produced by the two best GPU companies. Im not against Nintendo or anything but its just impossible they could possibly have hardware thats on par with the two others. _____ In conclusion though I could care less about their specs IF they actually showed even just a screenshot to back up the "you wont be able to tell the difference on a regular tv" statement. Till I see a screenshot its nothing but hopeful banter on Nin's part.
Whether or not we get specs...Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Ningamer89
Really whether or not nintendo reveals any specs isnt going to change the fact that I and many other people are going to buy it. We've been promised a new zelda, mario, melee, and metroid game so thats all i need to know. Specs dont show that the gameplay is going to be bad or good and so far nintendo hasnt let me down on gameplay. Nintendo is keeping it hidden so sony doesnt swipe any of their ideas and i honestly beleve that to be the one of the reasons.
rumors...Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by fdotorres
these specs were posted by han_solo. although obviously not official. this guy says he works for factor 5, and he was the one who leaked the xbox 360 specs (all his assumptions about the 360 specs were correct). i don't know what to think... the only thing that's official is that the revo will have a PPU (physics processing unit), which would be a first in any console and should help the revolution's performance a lot. Revolution Specs System 1 CPU: IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz with 128 KB L1 cache + 2 internal Highly customized G5 cores, 2.5 GHz each. Each G5 core will have 128 KB L1 cache. The whole CPU (including the cores) will share either 256 â?? 512 KB of L2 cache. Its Dual Threaded, G5 cores to have 2 hardware threads per core, 4 Threads total 10 billion dot product operations per second Theoretical speed of CPU in a non-realistic way of looking at it, but it still is correctâ?¦. 2.5 GHz CPU + 2x 2.5 GHz cores = 7.5 GHz total Now this seems correct to that GameInformer Magazine that published the specs, but these specs are similar, but fasterâ?¦ Revolution GPU The same GPU spec as I released in my other sheet. Hereâ??s a look back on it; But unfortunatley no HD support..... ATI Custom based RN520 core. The "N" stands for Nintendo, and is because the ArtX team is with them, that is why itâ??s an "N". There will be 2 GPU cores (just like the nVidia SLI motherboard with two Graphics Chips), this will use ATI's alternative, and will be the first in any console. GPU cores at 400 MHz each, theoretical 800 MHz. Will support up to 2048x1268 resolution, but no HD support, so that resolution is null. 28 way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines for each core with unified shader architecture. Thats a theoretical 56 Shader pipes if combined Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec> Shader Performance: 45 billion shader operations per second Revolution memory 512 MB of 700 MHz 1T-SRAM Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MBâ??s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller . There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 â?? DTS 7.1, rumours has it will have 16 MBâ??s, like the Cube DSP System 2 CPU: IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz + 4 internal Power PC G5 cores running at 2.5 GHz each. Each core will have 128 KB L1 cache. The whole CPU will share 512 of L2 cache. Dual Threaded so there will also be two hardware threads per core, 8 hardware threads total. 15 billion dot product operations per second Theoretical of 2.5 GHz + 10 GHz CPU speed = 12.5 GHz Revolution GPU 2 GPU cores running at 500 MHz. Now this says there will be HD support up to the resolution as above... Each GPU will have 256 MB of GDDR4 RAM 28 way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines for each core with unified shader architecture. Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec> Shader Performance: 52 billion shader operations per second Revolution memory 512 MB of 700 MHz Updated 1T-SRAM Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MBâ??s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller . There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 â?? DTS 7.1, rumours has it will have 16 MBâ??s, like the Cube DSP So theres 2 systems. For maximum system performance, i would go with system 2, but since 4 cores are really hard to code, i would go with system 1, as thats more than powerful enough to compete with the xbox 360 or PS3, GPU wise, the CPU i think technically is a little slower than the xbox 360's CPU by 20%. System 1 Modified CPU: 1 IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz with 256 KB L1 cache and 1 MB of L2 cache (an L3 cache is rumored). Itâ??s Dual Threaded 13 billion dot product operations per second Revolution GPU ATI Custom based RN520 core. The "N" stands for Nintendo, and is because the ArtX team is with them, that is why itâ??s an "N". GPU core at 600 MHz. Will support up to 2048x1268 resolution, HD support is still being decided. Will have 256 MBâ??s of 1T-SRAM (the RAM is much better due to some tweaking, compared to GCâ??s RAM. The latency and Cells are much more efficient and faster. Around 1.2 ns is the latency, on average). 32 parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines. Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec> Shader Performance: ~50 billion shader operations per second Revolution memory 512 MB of 700 MHz 1T-SRAM Other bits and pieces Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MBâ??s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller. There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 â?? DTS 7.1, rumors has it will have 16 MBâ??s, like the Cube DSP So thereâ??s the modified version. I think this would be on par with Xbox360, though PS3 could have an edge in the CPU area. In the GPU area the Revolution beats PS3, and technically would match Xbox 360.
Ain't no thang.Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by typical-male
As a proud owner of everything, I'm happy to say, I really don't give a damn about tech specs. Some of the most fun I've had gaming has come from Katamari Damaci, a game that has terrible graphics from a technical standpoint, but a well-tuned aesthetic that still makes the game look great. If Nintendo's ballsy controller attempt works, my money says it will be courting the really innovative developers, not those in the industry who staunchly refuse to give their games any artistic substance.
Intendo already has more powerful specsPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by BreakfastPills
After all, the Intendo Revolution has the unparalled controller interface.
lets face it....Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by DarkKoji
We all know what this means...nintendo is doing something that other competitors wish they had done...dual GPU processors.....that's right you heard me...they are taking the Crossfire approach...while Xbox 360 and PS3 are using multi-core structures, Nintendo is dual-wielding two GPUs and one massive processor making the grpahics more powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3 combined.....yah...that's exactly what they are doing...not only that they are using thier own HD-DVD developed by the same people who made the GOD discs for the Gamecube...bwahahahaha....hey with no specs comming out, I can have a feild day making up my own.
it's all good, thoughPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by TheBachelor
I think most of us are in agreement that the specs of the Rev don't matter. However, it's dumb to think that the Rev will be underpowered. If Nintendo has gone on record as saying the Rev will be "two to three times more powerful than the GameCube", then it's safe to say that the Rev's specs will be at the very least above average. Besides like any real intelligent, hardcore gamer knows specs really don't matter. Games make the system. Just look at the PS2, weakest of all 3 current-gen systems, yet we've seen many awesome games for it (being released a year before the competition didn't hurt either). As long as they have the support for it, Nintendo's next system will be a success no matter what. But hey, as intelligent unbiased gamers, we all should know this...right?
SPECS? Who CARES????Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by VindicatedTwisties
Nintendo has already built excitement just by the controller alone whereas MS and Sony plaster numbers all over the place. I'm happy with a system that Nintendo puts out that will be 3-4 times more powerful than the GCN. The GCN itself is already a powerful little system. I am also happy Nintendo has seperated themselves from the whole "power race" and are now appealing to gamers and developers alike. Powerful system means higher development costs and higher prices on systems and games ala MS and Sony. Nintendo has already planted the seeds of innovation in developer's minds. The new controller ALONE has sparked the imaginations of developers and already has them thinking of ways to implement them. With Free Wi-Fi, DVD Support, A huge downloadable library, Backwards Compatability with GCN, a Cradle for Conventional Gameplay (For those who cry about having a conventional controller), The return of the "light gun" style gameplay, Endless types of attatchments for different style games, Stylish slim case, and all this from a company that makes games, games, and only games? Nintendo's future looks quite good. I knew you fanboy haters would have to have something to bitch about. So I say SPECS? Who CARES????
Specs,controller, what about a actual GAme?Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by mandangsbelow69
Thats what matters in the long run and how good are the games all this talk by Nintendo let us see a screen a trailer something.
I think Nintendo is keeping quiet because...Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by mandangsbelow69
I have a really strong feeling that their going to have the strongest specs of all three systems, I'm not saying that PS3 and 360 are weak at all or down playing them. What I think Nintendo is going to do is not aim to be middle or last as far as power and their going to take alot of people by surprise. That or the system is really weak and isnt on Ps3 or 360's level which I really hope isnt the case.
re: whateverPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by timcat01
who cares.... the cube was supposed to be underpowered but i can think of a number of games, whose graphics i was totally impressed with... i really hope its fresh... and fun... im going to grab one for zelda and metroid ( and pray the new mario game is mindblowing) regardles if another game comes out on it anyway.
revolution evolutionPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by helghast02
i'm still going to get the ps3 when it comes outbut i would love to own the revolution because nintendo was the company that made me a gamer. ps3 and the revolution rule x box 360 sucks
I do not need to knowPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by toodze
Kudos Big N. All we need to know is if the games will be good or bad. That is the bottom line. It is not our business unless you are a developer trying to work with the system. We are the end users; consumers do not necessarily need the intimates of the magic box.
who are they kidding...Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by DodgeballCannon
They will release the specs when they actually show the machine in action. If they release them now and they don't "sound" as impressive people who are on the fence might just go pre-order an Xbox 360. (argh...I still hate the name of that thing) I'm not too worried about specs or anything, what I'm concerned with is what games the Rev will get. If games from PS3 (because that will be the main thing people are making games for, not the 360) can't be easily ported to it then it might not see very much action. Sure, Nintendo can make some great games for it, but can they convince other companies to take time away from their busy PS3 schedule to make games that will ONLY work on the Rev? Eh, it's hard to say at this point...Nintendo is still keeping us all in the dark.
quick!Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by mariopainter
Quick, someone tell me what 2.4 gigaflops looks like in-game! I guess if you can't tell 2.4 between 2.2 or even 2.0, then numbers truly don't mean a thing. If you're excited about all the technicalities, then you are the reason gaming is not mainstream. Regular people are put off by the nerdy aspect that comes with games, and Nintendo will be the one to change that. Here's just another way they're doing so: not making it a numbers games is true next generation thinking. We're seeing a real Revolution in the video game market and any gamer worth his salt should be praising Nintendo instead of making boneheaded and stubborn comments. Stick with your 360s and PS3's...then let us all know when you finally discover fire.
At this point...Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Ultimax27
At this point in time, I think that people who decided that they're sticking with Nintendo this time around, know they're not getting better or even equal graphics to Microsoft and Sony's next-gen systems. Nintendo fans are in it for something else entirely and I don't really think not releasing that info any time soon will really impact the support for Nintendo.
Who cares about the numbers?Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by UnsungHero007
I dont know what half of that stuff means anyways so it doesnt really matter.
Specs really don't matter.Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by mechanical_animal
Nobody should make a big deal about this. Let's just bear in mind a few points. First of all, the specifications of PS3 and Xbox 360 are quite different from each other. And yet, most developers are saying that we won't see a substantial difference in visuals on those platforms. The same will probably be true with Revolution. Don't forget that Revolution isn't supporting HD, apparently. This means that it does not have to contribute massive amounts of RAM to present games in high resolutions. Therefore, Revolution can use all of its horsepower to simply generate the graphics at regular resolutions, which means that graphics may easily be comparable (that is, if you aren't on an HDTV...and most people aren't). In addition, Nintendo have indeed always played down the numbers. But let's look at history. NES was a beast when it came out. SNES was more capable than Genesis. N64 was the most powerful system around when it launched. GameCube was more powerful than PS2 and easily comparable to Xbox. Frankly, Nintendo has never had a history of skimping on horsepower - their systems always demonstrate a sensible balance in hardware design. Revolution should be no different. Moreover, Revolution is being powered by components from IBM and ATi. It's likely that in terms of the graphics chip, it'll probably utilize something similar to Xbox 360 - perhaps scaled down a little, but it will probably be capable of the same types of effects. It's from the same company and during the same time period, afterall. Finally, the numbers don't matter to end consumers. You simply don't think about them while you're playing a game. As long as the end result looks fine, who is going to care what the numbers are anyway? Sony and MS are in the business of going on and on about numbers in some ridiculous tug of war - have you seen some of the flat-out stupid things they've both said about their systems? It's like some kind of ongoing argument which is totally irrelevant to the software. I expect the next generation to be like this one, in one key sense. PS2, GameCube and Xbox all have different specs. But honestly, most people aren't going to tell the difference in graphics between games on any of those systems. Yeah, a multiplatform game may look worst on PS2 and best on Xbox - but if you put them side by side, who is really going to notice that difference? Only the most hardcore gamers are going to care. Everyone else doesn't really notice that stuff, because the differences are usually incredibly minimal. Seriously, people just need to remember history and maintain some perspective on these issues.
so why is this a problem?Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by botosai
The PS2 has the least power of this generation, but obviously that dosen't matter at all. Sony came out on top last generatio, too. Again, with less power than the competion. All that matters is that a system is designed well. If it's designed well then developers will come (most of the time). I dunno about everyone else, but I get the feeling that the design behind PS3 and 360 was rushed, especially in PS3's case. Why don't us gamers learn from history? You can even date back to the NES, which was less powerful the the Sega Master System. Does anyone remember or care about the master system? No. All the games and good memories where with the NES.
Re: MAST3R CHI3FPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by boffiF20C
I have to disagree with you. Your graphical comparison between the systems is not accurate. I wonder what the underlying basis was for that comment. And anybody that dismisses Nintendo as 'kiddie' or 'past their prime' has either ignored the excellence of the Gamecube library (although limited), or become too heavily involved with a sluty, gold-digging bitch such as... GASP!!! Microsoft! Anyway, your 360 is without a doubt on the shelf waiting for the 22nd. The gamers that hold an emphasis on more than just online play will be waiting for either of the other two, or both. I hope you enjoy the 3 good games that come out during the duration of it's existence. 2 of those will likely be year old ports from the PS3 and the other will be Halo. Do you ever play that one?
Low power+no actual release=BIG problemPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by metroidfreak
Nintendo's decision to have crappy specs and not release them will murder Revolution-Sony and Microsoft have shown what their systems can do, and that Nintendo will disappoint by comparison. Especially with Halo 3, MGS4 and Gears of War in the same year as Revolution. By releasing the specs, at least Nintendo will show that they're not pussying out over a bad idea.
Old PhilosophyPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by ajenteks
Back when gaming was about gaming, this philosophy that "muscle doesn't matter" was how it should be. Now though, the market is all about pissing/penis-waving contests. Sony and Microsoft are doing it, and for home consoles, it's working. Gameplay doesn't matter - it's about polygon counts and shader effects and big-name licenses. Sorry Satoru Iwata, but when you want everyone in my house to play games when they weren't drawn to them in the first place, the specs do matter. My family doesn't buy certain cars because they're "fun to drive", they buy certain cars because they are up to snuff and the latest and greatest on the market. Microwave ovens, power-drills, television sets - it's the same for all household appliances, of which gaming consoles are now considered.
RE:Perri ,improved biasPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by MAST3R CHI3F
i dissagree perri, if anything people will say," the systems specs are so crap, that it would be shamefull to put them up". and all toghether, sure a game can look pretty and still have obsolete hardware running it, but the specs affect thing like loading times (playstation knows all about this) and definition (a game will look blurry on gamecube,a bit more focused on ps2 and perfect on xbox, but gamecube will usually have more explosive colors on Gamecube). but in any case if anybody even understands what all the specs mean they ususaly wont have a gamecube and wont go for the revolution, seing as nintendo has left itself with the kiddy status (cept for res evil)and anyone old enuf to understand em, usualy want something a little more fullfiling that "MARIO DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION!" how i miss nintendo when they where great, but ive found a new lover.....microsoft....
Good idea.Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Beige
I think we're all agreed here that Sony and Microsoft have become addicted to the sound of their own voices screaming out tech specs for their next-gen systems. I guess this town crying is supposed to Jazz and Energize us as consumers... but frankly I'm getting to the point where I've heard just about enough about how awesome the horse is from the horse's mouth. Of my three current consoles, the Gamecube is easily the hands-down winner in terms of 'great looking games on my phatt hi-def TV'. I couldn't say what its technical specs are though, and frankly I don't care. Nintendo is right... gamers care about great games. Period. Regardless of whether the Revo is above or below its rivals in the marketplace, Nintendo's refusal to get into a p***ing contest over their system only elevates them in my eyes.
Low Specs, Bad PRPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Berserker2
The Rev will likely have a single-core CPU at about 1.5-2GHz. It will have 256MB ram at most. The GPU will be current gen. Those specs beat the original Xbox by 2 or 3 times, but can't compete with the 360 which is said to be 80 times more powerful than Xbox 1. Finally, the tide has turned on ported games. Currently, many developers make PS2 games and then bring them to the Xbox and Gamecube since they are more powerful. You never see developers make a Gamecube game and then port it down to PS2 (except RE4 & Viewtiful Joe). Next gen will be tough for developers to bring games down from 360 to the Rev. It looks like a repeat of N64 & Gamecube for the Rev, in that you will see very little 3rd party support. It will also be a kids machine. (Kids don't care about specs.) The specs will be leaked and then we will see why they wanted to keep them a "secret".
Exactly what matters!Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by NikoKun
Hardware specs wont remain secret... but Nintendo wont make a big deal out of their hardware specs. What matters, is how the console will preform in-game! Shigeru Miyamoto said it pretty good: 'We could throw out a bunch of numbers, too, but what we're going to do is wait until our chips are done and we're going to find out how everything in the game is running, what its peak performance is, and those are the numbers that we're going to release because those are the numbers that really count.' This article: http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/revolution.ars Has some awesome info about the specs on all consoles, but most specifically, it shows that the Revolution may not be all that behind the other consoles! The revolution has some hardware features that are more important to gaming than the others do... (l2 cache is important) XD At any rate, I'll like to see a comparison after all the consoles are out, that compares each system's in-game specs! Not that it will matter much for me, I'll be getting a Revolution anyway! ^_~
Good. Let the games speak for themselves.Posted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by Slavik81
If I see another conversation going like... Sonyfan: the PSIII can display infinite polygons at once, without slowdown! xBoxfan: Oh, yeah? Well the Xbox360 can display infinity plus one polygons! Sonyfan: But my PSIII can beat up your Xbox360! xBoxfan: nuh uh! Sonyfan: uh huh! xBoxfan: nuh uh! Nintendo fan: I seriously can't tell the difference. In all due seriousness, I think graphical quality really lies in the hands of developers. There have been beautiful games on all systems.
reduced biasPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by perri
I guess this way people won't be able to say 'its weak' but then again they won't be able to say 'its more powerful than I thought' either. If you think about it though it is kind of odd that we compare technical specs for video hardware. I don't know why but it seems like that kind of thing is reserved for computers. Quite frankly I don't think half the people concerned with specs of these machines know what they mean really. I mean Sony can say a number and everybody can nod and look to each other and say 'ohh thats good, thats good' between 'teraflops' 'gigabits' 'gigabites' 'kilaflops' and all this other jargon it can get lost in translation. All that matters is the end product, if the Revolution has considerably weaker hardware but can still crank out comprable graphics, why should it matter??? It doesn't improve the gameplay and as long as the visuals, on average, rival that of Res Evil 4 on the GC, then I'm happy. Seriously those graphics were superb, I don't need to go any further than that, but if they want to sure, then sure. As long as the game looks decent its okay by me, just give me some thing that isn't frustrating to play, give me something original and immersive, give me something fun. Thats all! aslong as Nintendo releases the details on the Revolutions capabilities ie/ control, online, back.compat. and whatever else they say their hiding then thats all we need to know about the console itself. The games on the other hand will speak for themselves Graphically.
Not a Pissing MatchPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by AO1972
Nintendo is right about the number and specs are irrelivent. Cause all that is a numbers games and anyone can play with numbers and have them say what they want. It all about the games and gamers. When Revolution comes out. And we see what it can do. We will buy it. What it comes down to with Nintendo is are they a believeable, trustworthy company. And from my opinion it is yes. So I can't wait till I have a Revolution in my house. Regardless of the numbers... It not the size of the numbers that count, it what you do with console...:P
who cares just give us the next gen games alreadyPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by killmeifucanfool
specs are just a weapon used to lure impressionable people into buying the hardware. i suppose nintendo wants to impress us with games instead. i dig it. revo will have a nice spot between my 360 and ps3. or mayb it will be my ps3 will have a nice spot between my revo and 360, which ever hits first.
As They should bePosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by jailbreakstudios
In all honesty, it doesn't really matter. Look at the PSP. Powerful hardware for a handheld, but it has very, very few good games. Now look at the DS. Not as powerful but a hell of a lot better selection of games. Fun games.
That attitude will yield superb and innovative gamesPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by The_Dark_Raven
Though I'm an XBOX diehard myself, I really think Nintendo has the perfect logic. We think the new consoles look great now, but we'll eventually get desensitized to the graphics, and then we have to ponder what we're left with that makes the expenditure of $300+ worthwhile. Nintendo seems very focused on the gaming experience, not just the number crunching eye candy behind it, and that mentality deserves to be applauded in my book. Maybe Sony and Microsoft will take a nod and ensure the quality of the next gen games is equal to the next gen graphics.
Good ideaPosted: Nov 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by AniAko
Big N is on the path to success finally. The only way to win is to not play at all. With Big N withholding the tech specs, they are forcing the consumers to rate their product based on its performance, not its expensive microchip's capabilities. Hopefully they'll set a trend, and all the industry will stop worrying about numbers and worrying about the whole gaming experience their product is to represent. Honestly, I'm purchasing the 360 for the experience, not becuase it can render the reflection of master chief's nose hairs moving, as he breathes heavier due to an accelerated heart rate, on his visor.


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