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Genetically Engineered (GE) foods go by many names including, Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs), Genetically Modified (GM) crops and Frankenfoods. Whatever the name, the technology is the same. Individual genes from plants and animals are combined to produce favorable characteristics. GMOs are a type of hybrid, but the genes being combined are from animals and plants that would not be able to cross-breed in nature. It is estimated that 50% of all American farmers grow some form of genetically modified crop.1
Examples of Genetically Engineered Crops
- Corn. Bt Corn contains a gene that allows the plant to produce a toxin to kill the European corn borer, a caterpillar-like organism that feeds on corn and other crops.
- Soybeans. Roundup Ready Soybeans are resistant to the herbicide Roundup. These crops can be sprayed throughout their entire development cycle and face no ill-effects of the herbicide, but weeds will be effectively killed.
- Canola. As with soybeans, plants from which canola oil is extracted are genetically modified to increase their herbicide resistance.
- Rice. A form of rice was genetically modified to naturally produce Vitamin A, a vitamin necessary for healthy eyesight. The resulting "Golden Rice" is used primarily in poor countries to help combat blindness.
Identifying Foods Made From GE Crops
Currently, there are no labeling requirements in the U.S. to indicate whether a food product contains genetically modified ingredients. It is a requirement in some European countries (where GMOs are not banned altogether), and the movement towards labeling is underway in the United States. Presently the only way to be certain a particular food contains no GMOs is to purchase those labeled as Organic.
Source of the Controversy
Since research in genetic modification began 20 years ago, there have been convincing and often heated arguments both for and against this technology. The main source of controversy is that the new crops are not produced naturally. Since dissimilar species are having their genes mixed-and-matched, opponents believe this will have adverse effects on the natural barriers that exist between species. Those in favor of GM crops argue that it is just another form of selective breeding. There are also ethical and religious concerns about changing the genetic structure of a living organism.
GMO Myth: In the early 1990s, scientists were attempting to create frost resistant plants by inserting Arctic flounder DNA into strawberries and tomatoes. Though the experiment failed, opponents of GMO technology mention the research as though it were a success.
Arguments for Genetically Engineered Foods
- GMOs are needed to feed the world. Estimates show that by 2050, there will be 10 billion people living on this planet, most of them in poor countries.2 GMOs can be engineered to grow and thrive in harsher climates, allowing more food to be grown for our increasing population.
- GMOs reduce global impact from pesticides. Since genetically engineered crops are naturally more resistant to pests, less pesticides have to be applied, which reduces air, soil and water pollution. A recent study showed that farmers who use GM crops have decreased pesticide application by 172,000 metric tons.
- GMOs can boost the nutritional value of a food. As mentioned before, variations of rice can be made to naturally produce Vitamin A. Other crops can also be modified to produce beneficial nutrients. Rather than fortifying orange juice with calcium, genetic engineering may be able to create oranges that produce more calcium on their own.
- GM crops help prevent soil erosion. Most GM crops are engineered to resist insects and disease. Since they are heartier crops, farmers can employ low till or no-till methods of planting. No-till means the ground is not plowed before planting, so the soil is less likely to be carried away by wind and rain.
Arguments Against Genetically Engineered Foods
- They adversely affect human and animal health. Several different studies have shown that rats fed GM crops (including potatoes, tomatoes and corn) developed stomach lesions, intestinal damage and shrunken livers, among other maladies.4 Additionally, several studies have documented that workers who pick GE cotton have developed severe allergies.5
- Large corporations will control farmers. Bio-technology firms hold patents on all of the GE crops they produce. Some companies even require farmers to give back unused seed or engineer the seeds to only respond to a certain fertilizer, one sold by the seed company. Opponents feel these mafia-like tactics threaten small family farms that keep their unplanted seeds until next season or cannot afford the special fertilizers needed for the GE seeds.
- Genetically modified foods are less nutritious. Research has shown that Roundup Ready beans have significantly lower protein and amino acids than their non-modified counterparts.6
- Genetic engineering is playing God. Perhaps the leading cause for consumer uncertainty over all forms of genetic modification is the belief that it interferes with God's plan. Though the experiment failed, research is ongoing to create frost resistant crops through genetic manipulation. Some people believe that God did not intend for fish and strawberries to interbreed, no matter the possible benefits to human health.
What the Government Has to Say
Genetically engineered foods are regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). As long as the gene or genes being added to the food are proven to cause no adverse human health affects, the FDA considers that gene and therefore the modified food to be safe. With new GMOs entering the market, the FDA requires a 120 day advance notification from the manufacturer, so the FDA has time to review the product's safety.


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Horror-meister Rob Zombie returns to theaters this weekend with an eerie new project titled "The Lords of Salem." The film stars Zombie's real-life wife, Sherri Moon (star of his "Devil's Rejects" and "Halloween" remake), as a radio DJ working in modern-day Salem, Massachusetts. One night, she is delivered a mysterious record to play on air from a group known only as "The Lords." The band's creepy sounds subsequently seem to posses Moon and the women of Salem, filling their heads with nightmarish visions of Satan and a coven of witches seeking revenge from beyond the grave.
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Moviefone: "Lords of Salem" is a definite evolution of your filmmaking style; it's much more methodical than your fans are used to.
Rob Zombie: That was my intention. I really wanted to do something very different from what I had done before, pacing wise, style wise and basically every-wise.
Modern, young audiences that go see mainstream horror movies are not used to a slow, psychological take. How do you try to tell a methodical horror story with that audience hurdle?
You just can't worry about it, because I really feel that the death of anything is when you start catering to the audience. That's not an insult to the audience, it's just you go in there, you have a vision, and you try to carry it out, hope if it works well, and that people will discover it .
They may not discover it the day it comes out, they may discover it years later. But trying to crank out cookie-cutter product because the studios have decided that's what audiences want — the audience doesn't want that! But sometimes you force feed them crap because there is nothing else. They may go "Oh I want to go to the movies tonight" they look at the list of movies and go "I don't want to see any of these movies!"
I want to go see something and go "Wow I've never seen that before," and I think most audiences do, too. They get beaten down. Maybe you like "American Idol," but you don't need twenty other shows exactly like it. F—ing over-kill, but that's what they figure. Try to turn art into Coca-Cola.
You have an interesting perspective because you've worked on remakes and original ideas. What differences did you see working with a major studio on an original idea as opposed to developing a remake?
The remake is more difficult because, on some level, remakes seem pointless. But the reality of the business is those are the movies they will give you money to make. So it's sort of like "I can do this or I can do nothing." I love movies and I want to make movies so you go, "All right let me do this." With the "Halloween" movies I made, I wanted to go in a different direction because it's so pointless to go, "I'm going to copy what John Carpenter did." That's the struggle: You want to change it enough that it's worth making, but not so much that there is no resemblance.
When the project first came up, the studio strangely enough didn't care if Michael Meyers or Dr. Loomis was in the movie; they just wanted it be "Halloween." And I thought what appealed to me was Meyers was like a modern-day Frankenstein. These characters, like Meyers, Freddy Krueger, are our generation's Wolfman and Frankenstein — the iconic monsters — so why not treat it that way? This is just another retelling of a classic story.
Inevitably, whenever a filmmaker directs their spouse, critics will judge that performance with more scrutiny. Does that impact how you direct your wife?
I try not to think about that stuff. I know that she will get more attention than she normally would. People who have no sort of public persona whatsoever, they might not even mention the director's name. With me, they mention my name and then start pontificating on what I was thinking, what I was doing and who I am — and they read a lot into it, and unfortunately they do that a lot with her as well. Which is a good and a bad thing; in one way it gets you more attention, but in another way people can't distance themselves enough when they are watching the movie. It's ridiculous at times.
What is your approach to getting these crazed performances out of your cast?
I try to tell them as much as possible, but sometimes it does seem stupid what I'm telling them, truthfully. "OK, bring in the fake goat. You're going to ride that goat. This is going to happen: there's going to be all these nude women with animal heads walking down a hallway." I think, more than usual, the cast and crew were in a state of constant confusion.
Do you personally get scared by the concept of Satanic horror?
No, not at all. But I know others do, that's why I like messing with it.
Then how do you ensure a movie like this is scary?
I don't find movies scary, so I have to figure out what I think other people would find scary. That's really the trick. I figure out what would push other people's buttons. A lot of the stuff in the film was really bothering Ken Foree because he is very religious. He was really wigged out by a lot of the stuff in the script.
I wanted to switch gears and talk about the next movie you are working on: the biopic of the Broad Street Bullies. What's the biggest challenge you've seen working on a true sports story?
You have to find a way to stay true to the facts as much as you can but still make it a compelling movie. It doesn't have to be a perfectly exact retelling of the truth; it might be accurate but it might not make for a good film. I'm trying to make it as detailed and accurate as possible but also make it work as a drama… We're at the point where the script is finished and we are trying to figure out how and when and where we are going to do it because I have a new record coming out, so I start touring in June. My year is pretty booked up with tour dates. So I'm hoping late in the year to start that one.
Do you consider yourself a horror director, and will this movie be an "experiment"?
I consider myself a director and I love movies. My first bunch of movies for the first ten years were all from a certain genre, and now I'm going to move off of that and do other things. Maybe I'll come back to it sometimes, maybe I won't. I don't know, but I didn't wake up one day and say "I'm going to do this forever." I like movies of all kinds and I want to make movies of all kinds.
If you could score the work of any director, living or dead, what would be your dream music job?
I love silent movies, and I think it would be pretty cool to go back and score silent films. "Hunchback of Notre Dame" or "Metropolis." The really epic ones could be kind of cool. I think with "Metropolis" you could do some pretty interesting things.
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Skip to comments.Some Mormons may not understand Joseph's translation process
Posted on 12/04/2009 4:17:34 PM PST by Colofornian
As we continue our discussion about the Book of Mormon translation, some members may be troubled that the process doesn't match their conceptions of how they thought the process worked. For members who were unaware of the seer stone in the hat, at least two questions or concerns may arise: 1) Is it strange that Joseph used a stone in a hat? 2) Why have we have always been told that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim?
To answer the first question we might also ask: Is it strange that a man could rise from the dead, walk on water, heal the lame, create the heavens, and answer the prayers of billions of people? There are basically two kinds of non-Mormons who reject LDS beliefs: A) those who believe that there is no God (or that if such a being exists he doesn't interact with humans), and B) those who believe that a supreme being exists and has communicated with mankind.
For those who don't believe in a God, all supernatural and miraculous events are automatically brushed aside as imaginary, impossible, etc. All spiritual experiences are seen as "strange," superstitious, and possibly the result of the evolutionary process of the mind. Joseph's translation process is just as strange as any other supernatural claim.
For those who believe that God can and has communicated with mankind, it seems hypocritical to summarily dismiss Joseph's method of translation because it doesn't fit with pre-conceived views of how God communicates. As with all spiritual claims, the only way to know if they come from God is to ask God for a witness.
For Mormons who think the seer stone in the hat is strange compared to a translation through the Nephite Interpreters, one might ask: Why is a translation through a stone outside of a hat (the Nephite Interpreters) acceptable, while a translation through a stone inside of a hat (the seer stone) is unusual? It should be obvious that if someone finds the one normal and the other odd, that such a perspective is based on nothing more than pre-conceived assumptions.
Number 2: Why have we have always been told that Joseph translated the book with the Urim and Thummim? The answer is simple: The early Saints referred to both the Interpreters and the seer stone as the "Urim and Thummim." The real problem is not that the seer stone is called the Urim and Thummim, but rather that when most modern members hear the phrase they typically envision the Interpreters. Why is this? The critics claim that most members don't know about the stone and the hat because the church hides the information. This claim, however, is false.
That Joseph used a seer stone in a hat to translate the Book of Mormon has been mentioned in several official church publications such as the Improvement Era, the Ensign, and even the Friend by such people as B.H. Roberts, Richard Lloyd Anderson, Neal A. Maxwell and Russell M. Nelson. It stretches the imagination to believe that the church would hide this information if it has been included in official church magazines.
So why are some members unfamiliar with the translation process? The answer is a bit more complex. This topic and the frequent but false claim that the church "hides its history from members" will be discussed in greater depth in a future issue.
Number 3: Why isn't the seer stone used today? In Joseph's world, he and many of his contemporaries believed that God could reveal things through a seer stone. Joseph's mind was already open and prepared for revelation and a translation process through the Urim and Thummin. The Lord utilized Joseph's worldview to help restore the gospel. If Joseph had been skeptical of seer stones, he may not have been receptive to translating the Book of Mormon.
As Joseph continued to receive more revelations, he discovered that the seer stone was merely an elementary tool for teaching him how to focus his thoughts on the things of God. By the time he was working on the Inspired Version of the New Testament, he no longer needed the seer stone. Joseph apparently told Orson Pratt that the Lord gave him the Urim and Thummim "when he was inexperienced in the Spirit of inspiration. But now he had advanced so far that he understood the operations of that Spirit and did not need the assistance of that instrument," (Richard L. Anderson, BYU Studies 24:4, 489-560).
Oh sure. An angel led Smith to some gold plates. Which were totally irrelevant 'cause Smith never read them in his supposed "translation" of the Book of Mormon. (And even had he read them, he knew not the language!)
So why bother leading this pimply-faced teen-ager to some "gold plates" that were never retained? What good were they if all Smith needed was a rock stuck in a hat to begin with? Irrelevant. Useless. A 100% waste of the supposed time Nephi took to carve them out. 'Cause nobody's actually accessed them for any real direct "translation."
Why is this simple concept so complicated for Mormons to understand?
Also, what purpose did this hat serve?
Have the Mormons retained it as a sacred relic?
Where's the urim & thummim?
Conveniently gone as well?
Did it run out of its 19th-century "batteries"?
And a whole world full of non-Mormons as well. ;-)
Romney for President...... Oh, nevermind.
Some Mormons may not understand Joseph's translation process
OK Nana will teach the little grasshoppers...
Children for this project we need the following items:
1 table
1 chair
1 stove top hat
1 rock
1 human head
Place the hat on the desk.
Place the rock in the hat.
Place the chair beside the table and sit in it.
Place your face in the hat until you cannot see any light.
No peeking.
Write a papragraph explaining why a grown man would do such a dumb thing and think he could fool other people into thinking he was translating from Reformed Egyptian.
Better make that a stove pipe hat ...
Stove Top would make a good stuffing for a hat in lew of brains but it wasnt invented yet...
>>Some Mormons may not understand Joseph's translation process<<
I'll say they don't. And when they finally do, they join ex-mormons for Jesus.
For heavens sakes, get a clue you dupped cult worshipers!
For heavens sakes, get a clue you duped cult worshipers!
Most Mormons don't know about the stone in the hat. If you told them, they'd tell you you were crackers or lying.
The real problem that the hat translation presents is in the finished product of the Book of Mormon. If the stone only gave a new sentence after Oliver wrote it down word and punctuation perfect, then why have there been 3915 changes in the BOM(not including spelling and punctuation) since the 1830 edition?
The Mormons didn't get the memo that the canon of Scripture was closed in the 4th century......and God doesn't change His mind.
And then there's the pesky problem of textual criticism when they change verses in the Bible to fit their theology,
such as John 1:1.
say what you want about the hat, the stone, etc etc.
personally, i dont find that stuff any more or less believable than sacred things in other religions.
i read a biography about joseph smith recently and he was an amazing guy. read about the cities he built out of nothing and the society he created. he started with nothing in the middle of nowhere in upstate new york.
say what you want, the guy had it going on , no question.
Write a papragraph explaining why a grown man would do such a dumb thing and think he could fool other people into thinking he was translating from Reformed Egyptian.
Now, now, Nana, perhaps you just didn't digest enough of what this apologist was trying to say. For example:
From the commentary: To answer the first question we might also ask: Is it strange that a man could rise from the dead, walk on water, heal the lame, create the heavens, and answer the prayers of billions of people?
Oh. On second thought, you're right, again, Nana.
Ash's original angle made me ask, why are Mormon apologists and their allies so quick to use this argument? (I've actually seen similar versions among nominal FR Catholics & other vague religionists defending Mormon beliefs...they'll say, "Well, some of my Christian beliefs are kind of strange, too, so if we're going to judge a belief or event upon weirdness, then we're all subject to the same crit.")
Now, what's the problem with this argument?
Well, first of all, my Q to such people is, "Do you consider Jesus of Nazareth, the historical figure in the Bible, 'weird' or 'strange?'" I would think most of the people making the argument above might respond something to effect of, "Well, He's certainly unusual and unique, but I wouldn't go so far as to label him 'weird.'"
To which I'd say, "Exactly." The examples Ash gives here: rising from the dead, walking on water, and healing the lame were all things done openly before at least 6 or 7 (walking on water) to 500 (how many Jesus appeared to post-resurrection). These were highly unusual events, but once Jesus did them as precedents, we no longer consider it "weird." The resurrection of us all, for example, is a widely shared belief, as is the other couple of examples Ash gave (Jesus answering the prayers of billions and creating the heavens).
But now Ash wants to put what Joseph Smith did, looking at a rock in a hat, into the same category as Jesus walking on water, rising from the dead, healing, creating, and answering prayers? Really?
Where do we have any precedent for Jesus receiving orders from Father by opening up some "viewfinder" on a rock & then sticking it into a hat?
Why would a hat environment be so "sacred" for either Smith or his god, anyway, given the Jewish apostles before him, like Paul, to not even honor hats?
Didn't Paul tell the Corinthians: A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God... (1 Cor. 11:7)
Ah, how prophetic of me. I didn't read this post of yours, yet anticipated it & posted it within the same minute(see post #13 as my "pre-response" to your comment here)
Then again they were later called a top hat..
Song Maestro please...
Putting on my Top hat
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Putting on my top hat
The gold plates to explain
Putting on my top hat
I'm translating again
Got the missus with me
Writtin up a storm
This seems to work for me, though
She says its not the norm
Putting on my top hat
Face kiss rock again
Harris asks a question
Chipped tooth I'm now in pain
I mumble that I'm ailing
he writes just what he hears
hes got the guys a'sailing
Throughout the world for years.
A good idea but wait there
We can improve on that
lets say they got to somewhere
In just months due my hat
Putting on my Top hat
Lets have a war or three
Emma wheres the whisky?
Think beeter on my knees
A Mormon and a Nephi
An Alma thats a girl
We're nearly finished Jacob
My how the time does fly
Emma run and get me
A headache powder please
This silly rock is hurting
My head, my eyes, my knees
Cumorah Hill sounds ducky
Lets add a tarpon too
And since I'm feeling lucky
Horses, elephants a few
Putting on my top hat
Is there any more?
Martin we need an ending
The start is quite a bore
Putting on my Top Hat
Lets sell this in the North
No Canada dont like it
And wont pay what its worth.
i see.
perhaps a couple other examples that come to mind. burning bushes, parting seas, etc etc. i dont see a hat as inconsistent with that. not to mention the "miracles" from modern times that are cited when saints are made. check out some of those stories.
and the "seer stones" were well known and used by the old testament jews, smith didnt invent that.
havent read it, but apparantly the bible itelf contains reference to the stones:
1 Samuel 14:41 in the Books of Samuel is regarded by biblical scholars as key to understanding the Urim and Thummim[
Check # 15 for the lyrics i just wrote on the fly
The presupposition is that Smith was actually receiving direct revelations from God. Anyone can claim that God is speaking to them. The insane asylums of full of such people. I have heard of a cat in a hat, but a rock in the hat has that beat. It seems that the sillier a cult becomes the more nuts it attracts. How any sane person could believe this manure is beyond me. It makes about as much sense as Scientology.
Rev. Moon was persecuted & imprisoned by the communists in Korea, & before you knew it, he owned the Washington Times & a slew of other businesses! (And now we know his followers as "Moonies")
Jim Jones started with a small town in the Bay area, and before you knew it, he had expanded to large acreages in Guyana after becoming a key civic leader in the Bay Area. (You've heard all about the coolaid in Jonestown, haven't you?)
Shall I go on?
As for the societies he created, well, that's a myth. He moved first to Ohio, but he didn't create the community of Kirtland, OH. In fact, he fled that town in the middle of the night because the bank he started wasn't solvent. (He literally issued $3 bills, giving us the phrase, "As phony as a $3 bill.")
The Missouri experience? Smith sent others ahead to populate MO while he remained in OH. He wasn't responsible for setting up those small, temp communities -- others were. It was a non-Mormon who helped to carve out a new county for Lds in MO in 1838.
So now we're down only to Nauvoo. Oh, sure, Smith was directly involved in creating Nauvoo. But what kind of a "society" did he create? (All I can say is that if you want to go to a community where "Mayor Smith" orders his henchmen to go smash your opposition printing press because he didn't like your critiques of him, then quick, head off to those Phillippine compounds where they've surrounded these regional lords for killing off the opposition party's family -- & about 15 journalists in the process!).
you should read up on nauvoo, it was a pretty amazing place for the time. and they built it out of swamp.
i know you dont like the guy, for some reason, but you cant deny what he built. take a look at his legacy in Utah. thats not out of a hat, it is real.
anyway, signing off on this thread. been fun.
>>> The Lord utilized Joseph's worldview to help restore the gospel.
I found this particularly interesting....
that God would use a "worldview" to do His divine will.
Anyone who has read the bible enough, understands that "worldview" is down right EVIL.... it is Anti-God... because the "worldview" is Satan's view... which he spreads by any and every means possible.
This is very much like saying that God asked Satan to give Him a hand in helping Joseph Smith restore something that supposedly Satan himself had a direct hand in defeating in the first place. How much sense does that make???
What is a "Seer" stone anyway???
Well, it is an instrument of witchcraft....
Since when did God EVER "use" or empower an inanimate object to reveal anything to mankind??? HE NEVER DID!
Fact of the matter is that Joseph Smith is THE ONLY ONE who claimed that he was receiving revelation from God by way of an object normally used for unholy divination...
Not to mention the fact that Joseph Smith used the same process to find buried treasure... for which he was conveniently paid for by his farmer clients up-front.
This so-called process was a fraudulent means by which he tricked gullible farmers out of money... And to think that God would use that "world view" for something Holy and inspired???? Come on!... this would be like me trying to sell a cure for cancer made from tobacco products!
It is astounding to me that such an obvious ploy can successfully be passed off as an act of God.
Sometimes I think cult leaders like JS come up with ridiculous stuff like that just for the fun of it to see how duped their followers really are.
Oh... and to compare Smith's translation process to the miracles of Jesus just takes the cake...
That's really good... If they think it's strange, just blame Jesus... as if nothing is strange or suspicious compared to the miracles of Jesus.
A bright ray of clarity in a muddled mormon world.
What other major world religion claimed to have been a hitherto-lost/neglected descendent of Abraham chosen by God to return people to the true way that had been covered up by crooked religious leaders, even to the point of altering scripture?
I work with a lot of rocks, and they are insulted being implicated by smith as part of this endeavor.
(Sorry, but Smith didn't make it to Utah...that was Brigham Young's leading)
...and they built it out of swamp.
Well, that's been South Louisiana all over in the same time range, and some before...nothing peculiar
For those who believe that God can and has communicated with mankind, it seems hypocritical to summarily dismiss Joseph's method of translation because it doesn't fit with pre-conceived views of how God communicates. As with all spiritual claims, the only way to know if they come from God is to ask God for a witness.
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They are forgetting the other option. Using our brains to see the inconsistencies between the Bible and BoM.
The "method" of JS's "translation" of the BoM changed over time. First it was the hat, then it was the spectacles, then it was with the plates, then without anything.
>>Some Mormons may not understand Josephs translation process<<
Ill say they dont. And when they finally do, they join ex-mormons for Jesus.
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Pretty much. When I was LDS and I found out JS DIDN'T use the "gold plates" it made me question the whole point of the focus on them. If they weren't used, why all the focus on them.
>>> What other major world religion claimed to have been a hitherto-lost/neglected descendent of Abraham chosen by God to return people to the true way that had been covered up by crooked religious leaders, even to the point of altering scripture?
VERY interesting point!... can't say that I ever contemplated that one.
Are there cults of Islam? Where the leader of the cult said "hey wait a minute... it's all wrong... here's the update!"
Yeah... If I hear you correctly, Christianity is unique in it's having to deal with so many attempts to change it at it's core.
Yes I can sypathise ...
Joey Smith gave rocks a bad name...
Rodney Dangerfield and rocks get no respect...
***Is it strange that a man could rise from the dead, walk on water, heal the lame, create the heavens, and answer the prayers of billions of people?***
For a man to do this? Yes, extremely strange, in fact impossible. For God to do it? Not strange, or impossible.
However, does that mean you are equating Joseph Smith with Jesus?
Anyone who has read the bible enough, understands that worldview is down right EVIL.... it is Anti-God... because the worldview is Satans view... which he spreads by any and every means possible. [Safrguns]
Well, I, too was interested in what you said right before this, and I comment on that below, but to be fair to Ash, the author, he's not necessarily talking about the "world's view" but the querky "worldview" -- as in "view of the world" or lens Smith saw through.
I found this particularly interesting.... that God would use a worldview to do His divine will.
Yes, I noted that apologetic try Ash was shooting for, too.
My recommendation is that people get ahold of material that shows more comprehensively exactly what Smith's "worldviews" of the time. The book to start? D. Michael Quinn's "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View."
Quinn was a prof of history @ BYU. He was ushered out of the church for some of his rather forthright expositions of the church; but still, BYU has other reasons now to oppose him: "D. Michael Quinn is a former Mormon historian now turned homosexual apologist." http://mi.byu.edu/publications/review/?vol=10&num=1&id=280
Still, try to find a used book or borrow it. Here's a description of the book from Signature Books (http://www.signaturebooks.com/magic.htm):
In this ground-breaking book, D. Michael Quinn masterfully reconstructs an earlier age, finding ample evidence for folk magic in nineteenth-century New England, as he does in Mormon founder Joseph Smith's upbringing. Quinn discovers that Smith's world was inhabited by supernatural creatures whose existence could be both symbolic and real. He explains that the Smith family's treasure digging was not unusual for the times and is vital to understanding how early Mormons interpreted developments in their history in ways that differ from modern perceptions. Quinn's impressive research provides a much-needed background for the environment that produced Mormonism. This thoroughly researched examination into occult traditions surrounding Smith, his family, and other founding Mormons cannot be understated. Among the practices no longer a part of Mormonism are the use of divining rods for revelation, astrology to determine the best times to conceive children and plant crops, the study of skull contours to understand personality traits, magic formulae utilized to discover lost property, and the wearing of protective talismans. Ninety-four photographs and illustrations accompany the text.
lol next you guys will be jumping on Jehova witnesses
Urim and Thummim essentially means cursed or faultless, in reference to the deity's view of an accused - in other words Urim and Thummim were used to answer the question innocent or guilty.
Additionally, they were NOT spectacles (as JS says), but rather items placed in a breastplate.
Nevertheless, the passage does describe them as being put into the breastplate, which scholars think implies they were objects put into some sort of pouch within it, and then, while out of view, one (or one side, if the Urim and Thummim was a single object) was chosen by touch and withdrawn or thrown out; since the Urim and Thummim were put inside this pouch, they were presumably small and fairly flat, and were possibly tablets of wood or of bone. With the view of scholars that Urim essentially means guilty and Thummim essentially means innocent, this would imply that the purpose of the Urim and Thummim was an ordeal to confirm or deny suspected guilt; if the Urim was selected it meant guilt, while selection of the Thummim would mean innocence.
The BIBLICAL Urim and Thummim is a far cry from the "seer stone" placed in a hat.
Smith's invention was using biblical terms for the same "seer stone" that he used in treasure hunting.
>>> he's not necessarily talking about the "world's view" but the querky "worldview" — as in "view of the world" or lens Smith saw through.
I agree that "world view" is a vague term which can mean different things... but God doesn't speak to us from our own point of view, because that view (regardless of what it is) is faulty. God speaks to us from His point of view. That is one of the reasons it is so foreign to the world.
But... it is easy enough to set an individual's viewpoint aside, and address the concept of whether or not God would choose an instrument of Satan (seer stone) as His own means of empowering an individual. First of all, it is not needed. Second, it promotes idolatry. And third, it equates Satanic practices with God's ways.
The burning bush by the way, was a manifestation of God's presence. Not an object that Moses used to hear God.
So was the large hand which wrote on the wall... but in that case it was a divine manifestation of God's judgment.
Joseph Smith himself was a known con artist, and was arrested for defrauding people with a seer stone...
So why would God choose to speak through the same type of instrument or process that was used to deceive?
If Pelosi said tomorrow that she wants to reduce taxes, would you believe her?
Would you believe her if she claimed that she was inspired to reduce taxes after reading Al-Gore's book on Global warming?
Of course you wouldn't... and the book claim wouldn't help things either... because the messenger is corrupted and unbelievable, as is the object which she claimed as a reference.
God's ways are NOT our ways.
He does not adapt his will to fit our understanding.
Agreed. (As the prophet Isaiah proclaimed)
I'd also recommend to threadsters: TranslationOrDivination?
Here's the first three graphs: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has published many pictures of Joseph Smith dictating the Book of Mormon. These depictions invariably show Joseph seated at a table, carefully examining the gold plates which are in front of him on the table. The impression given is that the dictation process involved Josephs direct visual contact with the plates.
However, this scenario does not square with the testimony of those who were eyewitnesses to Joseph Smith dictating the Book of Mormon. These witnesses include all three of the Three Witnesses of the Book of Mormon (the same individuals whose testimony appears in the front of every copy of the Book of Mormon), as well as Joseph Smiths wife, Emma Hale Smith. They tell a similar story of Joseph dropping a magical seer stone into his hat, then burying his face in the hat and proceeding to dictate the Book of Mormon. Joseph claimed to see in the darkened hat the words he dictated. Several of the witnesses comment that the gold plates were sometimes not even in sight as Joseph dictated the Book of Mormon. This evidence of the actual Book of Mormon translation method has been discussed in at least six different scholarly articles and several books by Mormon historians over the past 30 years.
It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the LDS Church wishes to distance itself from the compelling evidence that Joseph Smith both discovered and produced the Book of Mormon in a context of magic/ divination/ clairvoyance. We encourage all members of the LDS Church and others who are interested in the LDS Churchs claims, to carefully review this important evidence. Here is the eyewitness testimony to Joseph Smith's dictation procedure, followed by some brief observations and conclusions.
>>> Might want to re-think the inanimate object analogy....The "Burning Bush" and "Mene Tikel Upharasin(sp?)", that writing on the wall stuff, are but 2 incidents that come to mind.
When it comes to delivering God's message or word, there is no biblical basis or example where God directed someone to find something that was hidden to reveal something that could not be read. The closest example we can find in the bible of using an object to divine God's will was the casting of lots... but even that practice was never set down as a commandment or direction from God to do so. And, the only words that the casting lots was intended was to "divinate" from God was a "yes" or a "no".
If Joseph Smith's "translation process" was from God, then we would see similar forms of delivery set forth in the bible. There is none. Joseph Smith stands alone. He is as alone as Morman himself... a name which means exactly that... "Man Alone".
God says in His word that SCRIPTURE interprets scripture. Not some seer stone. That means that a doctrine or a truth about God's word will be confirmed or refuted in other biblical passages. It's the reason we have 4 gospels pretty much telling the same story... for confirmation.
The only thing that lines up with the bible in the BOM are the passages that were plagiarized word for word directly from it.
lol next you guys will be jumping on Jehova witnesses
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Well, if the JW's start showing up pushing their presidential candidate and cult, we may.
Oh wait...JW's are apolitical and pacifists. This is a conservative site, doubt it will happen.
GROAN! Careful, comments like that might get you sent to "outer darkness".
If my comments haven't gotten me sent to the outer darkness by lds, nothing will.
ROFL. What is THAT from?
I forgot about them. Too atheistic for my tastes, but funny nevertheless.
Agreed, but every now and then something good pops up.
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Artists Al-Khuzairie Ali, Anisa Abdullah, Danial Fuad, Edroger Rosili, Faizal Suhif, Haslin Ismail, Hawari Berahim, Abdul Mohsin Aminuddin, Safar Zin, Sarah Ameera and Shahrul Hisham Ahmad Tarmizi has indeed produced engaging and insightful art pieces, and also enable viewers to develop a fresh perspective through interacting with the artworks on display.
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The opening ceremony of Hilal's first solo show was officiated by Prof Madya Ramlan Abdullah, a teacher and mentor to the artist throughout his degree years in Universiti Teknologi Mara. Dr. Sharmiza Abu Hassan, also an inspiration and has supervised his research studies in becoming a sculptor also attended the opening show to give her support.
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A day after the opening of 'Block by Block' by MEAA 2013 winner Sabihis Md Pandi, at Galeri Chandan, Publika, the third out of five winners to pin the lapel as an MEAA Winner, Cheong Tuck Wai followed suit with his second solo show held at HOM Art Trans, Ampang on Saturday 20 February 2016. 'Linger' was officially opened by Kim Ng, popularly known to adopt and perfected the ' collagraph' printing technique to excellence and renowned senior artist.
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Internet influence on consumers is everywhere. Online information has changed so much about how we approach purchases of all kinds. We're more educated, more aware and definitely more discerning about the products and services on which we choose to spend our money. And because of the internet, we can be a lot more vocal about our likes and dislikes – and our product requirements.
That fact is especially true when it comes to food purchases. American consumers are paying much closer attention to the foods and beverages they consume. And we're letting manufacturers know loud and clear what we DON'T expect to find in our foods. Online petitions and popular blogs – as well as FoodFacts.com (our own website), are helping consumers learn more than they ever have before about the ingredients in the food products in our grocery stores. In addition to a much more detailed ingredient education, those resources are giving us all a bigger voice that is clearly being heard by food manufacturers.
Earlier this year, for example, PepsiCo Inc. said it would stop using brominated vegetable oil in Gatorade and find a another way to evenly distribute color in the sports drink. That action was based on an online petition started by a teenager from Mississippi.
Last year, Starbucks said it would stop using a red dye made of crushed bugs based on comments it received "through a variety of means," including an online petition, and switch to a tomato-based extract.
Kraft Foods plans to replace artificial dyes with colors derived from natural spices in select varieties of its macaroni and cheese, a nod to the feedback it's hearing from parents.
The internet has made consumers much more powerful in the eyes of food manufacturers. It's helped our voices be heard and our demands be met. Online resources have certainly created a shift in how those manufacturers respond to their customers.
Ali Dibadj, a Bernstein analyst who covers the packaged food and beverage industry, says the changes reflect a shift from "democratization to activism" by consumers.
"It used to be that people would just decide not to buy the product. Now they're actually agitating for change," Dibadj said. "There's a bullhorn – which is the Internet – so you can get a lot of people involved very quickly."
There are no numbers tracking how many companies are reformulating products in response to consumer demand. But even if recipe changes aren't in direct response to petitions or blogs, executives understand that ingredients can become a liability once they fall out of favor with the public.
High-fructose corn syrup, for example, has gained a negative image in recent years and has been blamed for fueling bad eating habits. The Center for Science in the Public Interest, a health advocacy group, says the sweetener is no more harmful than ordinary sugar in large amounts. But Kroger Co. decided to remove it from store-brand cereals following surveys with consumers in 2011.
The supermarket chain isn't alone. Over the past decade, the use of high-fructose corn syrup in packaged foods and drinks has fallen 18 percent to 6.1 million tons last year, according to market researcher Euromonitor International.
Not all companies are making changes, at least not right away. The same teenager who called for the removal of brominated vegetable oil in Gatorade, for instance, is now taking aim at Coca-Cola's Powerade, which also contains the ingredient in select varieties. As of Tuesday, her newest petition had more than 57,000 supporters.
In a statement, Coca-Cola noted that all its ingredients comply with regulations. But the company also said it is "always looking for ways to evolve" its formulas.
Another petition that asks Mars Inc. to remove artificial colors from M&Ms had more than 141,000 signatures. In an emailed statement, the privately held company stressed the safety of its ingredients.
As the internet continues to evolve, it places more and more power into the hands of the consumer. No manufacturer likes bad press. And news travels very quickly through online channels. Food manufacturers are adapting to the idea that our opinions are more influential than ever and that our voices can be heard quickly by millions. That's all good news for us, as we continue to express our nutritional and ingredient requirements to the food industry.


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Angels' starter candidate suffers leg injury
Angels right-hander Jerome Williams felt tightness in his left hamstring while going through a defensive drill during Friday's workout. Williams was examined in Tempe Friday afternoon and will be re-evaluated by the Angels' medical director, Dr. Lewis Yocum, on Saturday.
"We don't know," Angels manager Mike Scioscia said of the severity of the injury. "We'll have it evaluated and look at it tomorrow."
Williams entered camp as the leading candidate to win the fifth starter's spot in the Angels' rotation. Even if Friday's injury is minor, it could set back his throwing program and open the door for the rest of the candidates -- Garrett Richards, Trevor Bell, Eric Hurley and Brad Mills -- to get longer looks once Cactus League games start.
The Angels will play an intra-squad game Saturday afternoon at Tempe Diablo Stadium then open the Cactus League schedule on Monday against the A's in Phoenix. Their first home game in Tempe is Tuesday against the White Sox.
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Norfolk teachers give overwhelming thumbs down to Ofsted in EDP survey
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Ofsted has received an overwhelming vote of no confidence from Norfolk teachers in an exclusive EDP survey.
School governor responds to EDP teacher survey
Teacher recruitment needs to be looked at again, a senior school governor has said.
More than two-thirds of teachers in their second year in the profession who completed the EDP survey said they were considering quitting in the next three years.
Alex Robinson, chairman of the Norfolk Governors' Network, said the numbers should "prompt us to look at teacher training and what expectations are being set, and how the profession is recruiting.
"Are teachers being adequately prepared for the pressures they are under, and, when they start, are they being adequately supported?
"I would question the way in which teachers are being recruited and trained, because a high dropout rate early on suggests that it's not working as well as it should do."
A total of 45pc of teachers who completed the survey said they had been put under pressure to inflate the results of coursework, assessments or exams.
Mr Robinson called for schools to have clear whistle blowing procedures, so any teacher being asked to do anything unethical felt safe in raising it with governors.
Asked about the 44pc of teachers who said they had suffered intimidation from parents in the last year, he said that what may not feel like intimidation to a parent may feel very different to a teacher on the receiving end.
He added: "I think social media is part of that. I think teachers would say there are parents who are increasingly confrontational, and less willing to work with schools.
"I think all governors should be concerned about teachers' wellbeing, and these figures should make us all pause and think 'Are we doing enough to support our teachers?'"
Nearly 450 Norfolk teachers took part in the survey, which sought the views of the people on the front-line of educating our children.
Yesterday, we reported on the pressure teachers feel to inflate pupils' results, the intimidation they face from parents, and the growing number thinking of quitting the profession.
Today, we highlight attitudes to Ofsted, and the growing problem of mental health in schools - among staff and pupils.
Thumbs down for Ofsted
An overwhelming 85pc of teachers said they did not have confidence in the judgements of the school inspectorate Ofsted. This matters, because Ofsted judgements can have a profound impact on a school, from whether senior staff keep their jobs or to whether it becomes an academy.
The vote of no confidence came despite reforms last year which saw Ofsted remove 1,200 inspectors it did not believe were good enough, and recruiting more serving headteachers to the role.
Bob Groome, of the ATL union, said there was no consistency in Ofsted's judgements.
Since 2014, Ofsted has issued guidance designed to bust "myths" about what they require of schools to prevent teachers being burdened with unnecessary paperwork, but Russell Hammond, of the NASUWT union, said some school managers use Ofsted as an excuse to demand these things.
An Ofsted spokesman said inspectors had been working with Norfolk school leaders to support improvement, and its own poll of parents found 72pc of parents thought Ofsted provided reliable information, and 90pc of schools leaders "found the demands of inspection were reasonable and that judgements were fair and accurate".
He added: "School inspectors have all worked in the classroom and know what it is like to be inspected. Seven out of 10 of our new Ofsted Inspectors are serving heads and leaders. Inspection findings are always grounded in what inspectors see when they go into schools, and are based firmly in evidence."
Rising problem of mental health in schools
The responses to our survey highlighted the growing issue of mental health problems in schools.
In total, 80pc of teachers said they had seen an increase in the number of children at their school with mental health problems, and 74pc said their school should do more to identify and support children with such issues.
The experience of front-line teachers chimed with a big increase in Norfolk children referred to the region's mental health trust over the past three years, doubling from to 5,194 episodes of care in 2014-15, compared to 2,588 in 2011-12.
Ian Clayton, principal of Thorpe St Andrew School, said: "We do have a rise in students with more severe and chronic issues, like eating disorders, but we are also recognising them.
"Is there an increase in mental health issues?
"We are better at recognising it. Before, it might have been dispatched as bad behaviour."
He said the increasing mental health problems teachers were seeing reflected increasing pressures on young people in wider society.
He added: "A lot of people are looking at schools, saying 'what are you doing about it?', but we are not the experts in mental health.
"We can only be the sign-posters of where these services are."
The survey also showed 86pc of teachers reporting they had seen an increase in colleagues at their school suffering from stress, depression or anxiety, with the figures slightly higher in high schools than primary schools.
Norfolk County Council responds to concerns
The EDP's survey of teachers raised concerns about the number of teachers thinking of leaving the profession, suffering intimidation from parents, facing pressure to inflate pupils' grades, and seeing increasing mental health problems among their pupils.
The EDP raised these issues with Norfolk County Council.
In a statement, James Joyce, chairman of Norfolk County Council's children's services committee, said: "The significant improvements in Norfolk's schools over the last two years shows the focus, energy and skill of teachers, Headteachers and Governors. As a result of this sheer hard work, the quality of teaching and leadership across Norfolk is now of a far more consistent high standard.
"Arrangements for the professional development and well-being of teachers is primarily the responsibility of a school's governing board. Governors and Headteachers engage in a range of services as they work through issues and challenges thus ensuring that children and young people get the best possible deal.
"Undoubtedly, teaching is a complex and demanding job and with high demands. In Norfolk, no matter what school they go to, we expect teachers and school leaders to make sure that all children have the same opportunities to be high achievers.
"Teachers have a tough job in creating and maintaining high standards but we are grateful to them for the brilliant job they do in consistently ensuring that they put young people first."
Are you a teacher who has experienced any of the issued raised in this story? Contact firstname.lastname@example.com


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|1. Halloween Hootenanny - Zacherie
|2. Halloween (She Get So Mean) - Rob Zombie
|3. The Halloween Dance - Reverend Horton Heat
|4. A Fistful Of Terror - The Bomboras
|5. Werewolf - Southern Culture On The Skids
|6. Gravewalk - Satan's Pilgrims
|7. Ribcage Mambo - Frenchy
|8. I Drink Blood - Rocket From The Crypt
|9. Little Demon - The Amazing Crowns
|10. No Costume, No Candy - Swingin' Neckbreakers
|11. 'The Munsters' Theme - Los Straitjackets
|12. Sinister Purpose - Zacherie
|13. Werewolves On Wheels - The Born Losers
|14. Psychic Voodoo Doll - Deadbolt
|15. Banshee Beach - The Ghastly Ones
|16. The Creature Stole My Surfboard - Dead Elvi
|17. Extrasensory Deception - David Allan/Phantom Surfers
|18. Spooks Night Out - Legendary Invisible Men
|19. Happy Halloween - Zacherie
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You just need one look at Rob Zombie to know that the guy knows a thing or two about Halloween. He really proves his mettle--and his metal, for that matter--on this loud, garish, downright fun collection of rip-roaring devil's music. There's actually very little to be afraid of, to tell the truth--unless, that is, you have a phobia about the kind of goofy good times laid down by Zombie and pals like Rocket from the Crypt, Satan's Pilgrims, and the wrestling-masked power-surf combo Los Straitjackets (who turn in a hypercharged "Munsters Theme"). The garishly groovy package, which features some of Zombie's most over-the-top cartoon illustrations, is rife with haunting hoedowns like the Dead Elvi's "The Creature Stole My Surfboard." More fun than a coven meeting any day. --David Sprague
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It also features a spoken intro by Zacherley, the famous TV Horror Host from the fifties. He also sits in with the crazy fun Southern Culture on the Skids for some spoken word on the track, Sinister Purpose.
This is one of those CD's I put in the player and hit repeat all tracks and start working at the computer, because I enjoy all of it. I just have to get up from working occassionally to dance around madly. The artwork inside and out on the CD is also very killer, very retro creature feature-esque.
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It also features a spoken intro by Zacherley, the famous TV Horror Host from the fifties. He also sits in with the crazy fun Southern Culture on the Skids for some spoken word on the track, Sinister Purpose.
This is one of those CD's I put in the player and hit repeat all tracks and start working at the computer, because I enjoy all of it. I just have to get up from working occassionally to dance around madly. The artwork inside and out on the CD is also very killer, very retro creature feature-esque.
Fun stuff!
1. Halloween Hootenanny - Zacherie
We are introduced to the Halloween festivities with a poem narrated by our Ghoulish Host Zacherie, providing a welcoming atmosphere, starting off the party...
2. Halloween (She Get So Mean) - Rob Zombie
Emerging from the blackened earth, the zombie king launches the celebrations with a bang, where you can picture Baby girating in a devil-girl a-go-go costume...
3. The Halloween Dance - Reverend Horton Heat
Stick your arms out like you're in a trance, the gang's all here! You can hear them in the background throughout the songs herein. Everyone's having fun beneath the harvest moon!
4. A Fistful Of Terror - The Bomboras
An effervescent instrumental reminiscent of 'Wipe-out' by The Ventures.
5. Werewolf - Southern Culture On The Skids
Lycanthropic fun! You really being out the beast in Me!
6. Gravewalk - Satan's Pilgrims
A nocturnal jaunt in the graveyard may yield some unexpected pleasures...
7. Ribcage Mambo - Frenchy
A dimly-lit room, smoke looming above everyone's heads, as a zombie-like Noir beauty slinks out into the spotlight in a sequence gown and pillbox hat, while the skeletal band plays a hauntingly exotic number...
8. I Drink Blood - Rocket From The Crypt
High-velocity with a very feedback / static quality.
9. Little Demon - The Amazing Crowns
A Rockabilly cover of the classic by Witch Doctor Screamin' Jay Hawkins.
10. No Costume, No Candy - Swingin' Neckbreakers
Now here's a great sign waiting to happen! A really fun song addressing a possible issue on Halloween night. Perhaps those who do not dress up but still expect candy should also be given the "trick" of fetid condoments in those little packets instead of candy. If you lack the imagination or effort to celebrate, don't dare expect a treat here! You're no mummy, you're just a dummy!
11. 'The Munsters' Theme - Los Straitjackets
An amusing spook-surf rendition of the original by Jack Marshall, from a band who dress up as masked wrestlers.
12. Sinister Purpose - Zacherie
I really enjoy this one, wherein The Devil comes knocking on the coffin door offering wondrous gifts of immortality and riches. Sort of reminds Me of L'Air Epais, wherein one is awakened unto one's carnal nature.
13. Werewolves On Wheels - The Born Losers
Lycans on motorcycles going wild into the night!
14. Psychic Voodoo Doll - Deadbolt
Somewhat of an endearing sado-masochistic romantic tune.
15. Banshee Beach - The Ghastly Ones
Another fun instrumental. This actually reminds Me of a shirt which featured The Creature, Frankenstein, The Mummy, and Wolfman carrying surfboards, heading out for some tasty waves. This from a band who look like undertakers.
16. The Creature Stole My Surfboard - Dead Elvi
A humorous diddy about a surfer relating the time when The Creature took over his board for some late-night surfing. Of course, the band are all dressed as zombie Elvi...
17. Extrasensory Deception - David Allan/Phantom Surfers
Yet another highly-energetic instrumental utilizing some echo effects to add to that haunting element.
18. Spooks Night Out - Legendary Invisible Men
The spooks are out! With vocals sounding like they emminate from a megaphone, accompanied by echoing guitar and organ. Yes, that's right, the band members are bandaged invisible men.
19. Happy Halloween - Zacherie
Our host would stop at nothing to wish all a Happy Halloween!
The booklet features Rob Zombie's artwork throughout, from Frankenstein to The Mummy, with Baby dressed up like a barbie-like sexy witch on the back.
Overall, Halloween Hootenanny is a fun collection of jaunty tunes for year-'round revery, in a "spook surf", martini-sipping sort of way. Amidst the undead 50's-style rockabilly, many of which are enhanced with sound effects, we hear from "Zacherie", a ghoulish host regailing the listener with haunted tales sure to add that certain spicy ingredient to the Witch's brew.
"Halloween Hootenanny" is totally solid, with the strongest Halloween essence delivered by The Bomboras (my favorite of the instrumental tracks), Dead Elvi (I love that name name!), The Ghastly Ones, and "Ribcage Mambo" by Frenchy. The Amazing Crowns' take on "Little Demon" is very good, but nowhere near as hot as Screamin' Jay Hawkins' version (then again, there was only one Screamin' Jay!).
There are plenty of good contemporary Halloween compilation CDs out there, but I would easily place this high in the top 10 of the heap!
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