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DR. JIM GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE CHURCH DR. GARLOW: Well welcome. We welcome you. [Music] "ABC Protecting Marriage" [START VOB]
We're glad you're here for our third and final simulcast. Celebrating marriage.
Celebrating marriage. [Applause] DR. GARLOW: Because... [Applause, cheering] DR. GARLOW: In... in 15 days, in just 15 days,
we're going to do what no state has ever done before. We're going to reestablish And
once and for all, one man/one woman.
we're going to turn back the tides of evil[Cheering, applause] DR. GARLOW: California. --marriage will be established in
Going for it.
applause] DR. GARLOW: Back to Skyline. [Cheering. ABC. The first three or four things we're going to talk about are going to work for your secular. welcome Nazareth. If you know difficult system. But to help lighten it up is my buddy. we want to make sure you know how to talk to everybody you know about this. And as we go further down the line we will--we'll talk to you about how you talk to your church friends about this issue. If you know your ABC's. Thank NAZARETH CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: . one of my favorite comedians. GARLOW: Now in these next--in these next 15 days. And so we're going to do a crash teaching lesson tonight. you'll be able to remember everything we say tonight. GARLOW: And now this is a heavy topic. you all know your ABC's? [Audience says yes] DR. un-church friends. And we're going to use a very Simply ABC.3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 DR. in the next 15 days. So we're going to lighten it up with some fun as we go through this. Nazareth.
that's a sign of the end times. is-- to ask you and never have. Israel and it's a family tradition to name you after the city. Pastor Jim. [Laughter] NAZARETH: And my poor sister Buffalo. Glad you're here. I feel sorry for my brother Waikiki. is--is--that your--your real name? NAZARETH: Yes. the. [Laughter. [Laughter] NAZARETH: My other brother Albuquerque. Wow. man. huh? DR. Yes DR. uh. [Laughter] NAZARETH: You like me? See? I've been on I lost weight.4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you. GARLOW: [Laughing] Now I've always wanted Nazareth. Fannie Mae diet. GARLOW: NAZARETH: getting a Middle--getting a Middle Easterner to teach you the alphabet. I was born in Nazareth. applause] NAZARETH: I lost .
We'll be back to you in just a moment-- . DR. GARLOw: Okay. GARLOW: --and you're going to be working [Interposing] Hey. GARLOw: [Laughter] NAZARETH: It's [Laughing] good to be with you. DR. GARLOW: be helping me.5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 my retirement. the alphabet-NAZARETH: [Interposing] Yes. DR. --to So. GARLOw: NAZARETH: --okay. thank you so much-DR. make sure they remember them. GARLOW: Exactly what we're going to do. you're going to We're going to work through with the crowd to help me out on this right--? NAZARETH: [Interposing] Yes-DR. NAZARETH: DR. I'm going to start with the letter A and what happens when we get to the letter A. We're going to start with the letter A. So I'm going to let you go down.
uh. uh. join me up here if you would. . um.4% of the people passed Proposition 22.000 people said yes to. And to help us on this we're going to go all the way across the country to. Thank you. MAT STAVER. And let's bring on--let's bring on. Bob. Activist judges said no--4 judges to what 4. MR. GARLOW: --okay.000. Liberty. along with Bob Tyler. LIBERTY COUNSEL MAT STAVER: Well As you this clearly is activist judges. the Court of Appeals and at the Florida--at the. he's one of the persons that argued this case before the Supreme Court. we start with the letter A.6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NAZARETH: [Interposing] You've got it. And that stands for activist judges. When we talk about what's taken place over these recent years in California. Virginia where we're going to talk to Matt Staver. Mat Staver on--on--on the screen here. know you go back to 2000 and 61. I argued this case at the trial court. DR.
7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 California Supreme Court. LEAD PASTOR. This is the first case we've ever lost. ignored the Constitution and just out of their own will instituted same-sex marriage. you're working with another situation. that case. Ignored the history. ignored over 4. Four of the seven judged just simply ignored Proposition 22. DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Uh. live in the State of Virginia. Yes Lisa They Help us understand In 2000. But this is a case we have a chance to turn back the clock. GARLOW. LIBERTY COUNSEL: and Isabella Miller are Christians. Vermont passed what was called a civil union law which in that particular state is an exact parallel to marriage but it's called civil unions as opposed to marriage. MR.000 people that passed this in 2000. I don't know the details. but can you give me a 1-minute synopsis on Lisa and Isabelle Miller.000. We've litigated about 40 of these in the last 4 years. and in terms of activist judges. She got into a civil union relationship . STAVER.
can actually possibly take this child away from Lisa. Bob Tyler. states.8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with Janet Jenkins when she was involved in the lesbian lifestyle. borders. we're having a court hearing in the State of Vermont where under that law. SKYLINE CHURCH: this. who now has parent rights just like anyone else. She gave birth to her own daughter. by the name of Isabella. That's what happens when you had this State of Vermont actually creating this civil union law. her own biological mother. rip her away and put her into an activist household in Vermont. DR. take her from a Christian home in Virginia. Lisa did. that court in Vermont has indicated that Janet Jenkins who's still in the lesbian activist lifestyle. It crosses the state It interferes into neighboring And now it's threatening to take away Lisa's own biological daughter. After Lisa became a Christian she separated from Janet. you've seen a lot of What would you add to that? . LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. continued to live in Virginia and now in just a few days.
BOB TYLER. All you've got to remember is this. Proposition 8 this is our opportunity. GARLOW. it's a hostile environment in the courts. the people. to overturn the California Supreme Court. we've. through the initiative process to overturn the courts. with Matt and the. here in California. uh.4% of Californians . SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: --right. 61. Thank you Bob. LEAD PASTOR. TYLER. SKYLINE [Interposing] Yeah. And the great MR. uh. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY thing about California is we have the right. litigating the samesex marriage case. DR. Thank you so much. SKYLINE Thank you Matt. uh. And with.9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: 11 MR TYLER: You know. especially where the Supreme Court's located being in San Francisco. uh. LEAD PASTOR. to steal democracy back and take it away from the judges and bring it back to the people because-[Applause] DR. uh. GARLOW. MR.
Okay NAZARETH. GARLOW. is that A for what? Activist judge. DR.5 million voters said no. they use the Home Depot. This NAZARETH. Thank NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: what does A stand for? MALE VOICE 1: Activist judges. with letter A. LEAD PASTOR. We're going to give you like a hand signs. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] Yes. help us We're just done-- NAZARETH. DR. NAZARETH. So for A just remember that. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: you. There's hand signs we can do like this or that but the hand sign for A is like the judges. MALE VOICE 1: How are you? Yeah I'm doing great. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Okay. Okay. Nazareth. GARLOW. SKYLINE . CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: man just doesn't seem to write it down so let's talk to him. SKYLINE CHURCH: --with that letter. hammer.10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 said yes and 4 judges running against 4. LEAD PASTOR. uh. good? Can you remember that? MALE VOICE 1: A.
that was the argument. Mat? MAT STAVER. that particular law it does give all of the same rights and benefits and privileges and obligations to same-sex couples as are already given in the marriage relationship to heterosexual couples. they simply just wanted to have the parallel benefits. Talk to us about that. So the legislature actually gave . we're back with you. once again. DR. back there in Virginia and then we're going to bring Brad Dacus on with you at the same time. And originally when this whole situation began in California. LEAD PASTOR. thank you-NAZARETH. The next one now. Matt. We're going to go to the We're on letter B. And in Yes. State of California has given to homosexual couples every benefit that a state can possibly give. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] Thank you.11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: We got one here. LIBERTY COUNSEL: California has passed through the legislature what's known as AB 205.
And all of the benefits that can possibly be given under state law are now given under this AB 205 law. But now what the courts did is go further and they say we're going to give the name. notwithstanding the fact that all of the benefits are already given. DR. DR. a . we're going to give the institution of marriage. BRAD DACUS. LEAD PASTOR. marriage.12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the parallel benefits. SKYLINE CHURCH: --Brad Dacus? MR. LEAD PASTOR. What do you want to add to that. SKYLINE CHURCH: Right. GARLOW. GARLOW. DACUS: Yeah I--I think what's really interesting-I agree with what Matt just said is what actually--the benefits that have actually been taken away from heterosexual couples. The State of California in the case we have ongoing right now told a--a couple. DACUS: [Interposing] Yeah. PACIFIC JUSTICE INSTITUTE MR. Brad Dacus? MR.
DR.13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 newlywed couple that they--on their marriage application they couldn't have bride and groom on it. They're backing off on it but Uh. uh. They are aware or they need to be--made aware through you. losing the ability to state who they are on their marriage application. uh. both attorneys who give us a unique perspective so that you'll all know even secularists. that all the benefits a . LEAD PASTOR. un-church people. the outcome of this litigation is up in the air and could go either way. And that's why it's important to pro--to--to pass Proposition 8 because we're--we are talking about actual heterosexual couples losing benefits. Thank you so much Brad. Very basic. GARLOW. And so that--that's what they've said to virtually all future couples. let me make something really ce--clear. get this one. SKYLINE CHURCH: Thank you Mat. they had to have Party A and Party B. newlyweds to be married in California. on their marriage certificate. if--if this--if Proposition 8 does not pass.
did you see that? we--let's-[Applause] NAZARETH. even un-church people. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Benefits. tired. we've got How are you young You're married. Benefits. But they are aware. Nazareth. Benefits. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Let's try this lady. Okay. know quickly that demanding the term marriage is going too far.14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 state can give has been given. [Laughter] NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: got all the benefits from him. right-FEMALE VOICE 1: Yes. yes --let's B for Thank you young lady. NAZARETH. okay? So. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: does B stand for? FEMALE VOICE 1: Benefits. What NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: bring the offering plates out. you can make an enormous difference. lady? Yes. look at him. So you NAZARETH. can focus groups. . So as you talk to people for 15 days. two letters now.
0. GARLOW. DR. NAZARETH. DR. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW.0. SKYLINE CHURCH: We're going to letter-NAZARETH. . CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Yes. LEAD PASTOR. Meh--activist judges and the B is the hand out. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] But what--what's-- what the hand motion so far? NAZARETH. Education 51-- AUDIENCE: --89. even un-church people realize how inappropriate it is for schools to be teaching on this topic. LEAD PASTOR. Say it with me. LEAD PASTOR.0. SKYLINE CHURCH: --89. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: The first one for hammer is the first one for A.89. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. code 51. GARLOW. DR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] That's easy. DR. Say it again. SKYLINE CHURCH: --we're going to letter C now.15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Thanks-DR. Children in public schools are being impacted enormously. SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay.
DAVE PARKER. Massachusetts.93. GARLOW. Now to hear that firsthand. SKYLINE Says that a teacher can teach marriage as young as Kindergarten and if you add in 51. MASSACHUSETTS: Uh. Dave and Tanya Parker have come What from Lexington.3.16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: AUDIENCE: 51.3-AUDIENCE: [Interposing] 51. but guess who determines what is age-appropriate.0. our son. SKYLINE --the teacher has the right in California to speak about sexuality in whatever form. happened? DAVID AND TONIA PARKER MR. uh. age appropriate. GARLOW. say 51.89. Jacob Parker was only 5-years old and he was enrolled in Estherbrook Elementary School. And let's see what happens now when same-sex marriage is legal. LEXINGTON. let's go--make our way to. DR.93. uh. DR. LEAD PASTOR.3. that is the State of Massachusetts that has had this kind of arrangement for four years now. . LEAD PASTOR. a functional historical model for us.93.
no. We asked for parental notification before they do it.5 months and it came to one meeting where we could not bear it any longer. And we said that you must give us this . And we took a stand. uh. embrace and even celebrate gay marriage and homosexual relationships. And this introduces children to gay marriage and the homosexual relationship.17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And within a few months he was handed a diversity book bag by his teacher. We had asked for 3. They said amazingly. And in the diversity book bag was a book entitled Who's in the Family by Robert Skutch [phonetic]. stoked a fire of a protective nature of parents. Even though there's a parental They notification law in Massachusetts. to let us know so we can talk to our children first or have the option to opt out. you do not have that right. So we went into the schools and found out that they have books like this all throughout the school in every classroom and that there's going to be teacher-initiated discussions with the children to affirm.
SKYLINE CHURCH: What happened after that? MR. LEAD PASTOR. judge after judge said gay marriage is legal in Massachusetts. very serious. SKYLINE CHURCH: Just to let you know this is--this I was. in a is very. uh. I said I'm prepared to sit here all night until we get accommodation for just our 5year old boy. the children. And all along the way. MASSACHUSETTS: We had to fight the. The accommodation they gave was to arrest me. DR. put me in handcuffs behind my back and take me to the Lexington Jail. PARKER.18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 information. They said they wouldn't. . GARLOW. uh. uh. a civil Federal lawsuit and that worked its way up all the way to the Supreme Court who just recently refused to hear this very important parental rights case. criminal trespass charge but then we filed a. legal in Massachusetts. then banned me from my own Kindergartner's school. GARLOW. uh. when they rejected our case. LEAD PASTOR. DR. Gay marriage is We can teach it to This is a civil rights issue. LEXINGTON.
. of course we had to do that. PARKER. I brought up your case and the scope of that and showed the complete trouncing of freedoms. In other words you are people of prejudice but he--he alone and his ilk have the truth.19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 debate on the. TONYA PARKER. And this so-called civic-minded person who cared about our freedom so much according to all he--what he said before. it turned out it was supposed to be two versus two. MASSACHUSETTS: Exactly-MRS. Constitutional specialist. And one of the individuals I was up against was an atheist attorney who is a First Amendment specialist. LEXINGTON. Of course we had to force homosexuality to be taught in-taught to Kindergartners. but it turned out to be three versus one. And I was up against. channel on the TV channels up in Los Angeles. "that's the only way we can end prejudice". "That's the only way". MASSACHUSETTS: [Interposing] Yeah. he says well. when he heard your case. an exact quote. LEXINGTON. MR. uh.
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MR. PARKER, LEXINGTON, MASSACHUSETTS: --and what is going on is you have, uh, people forcing their will and forcing their worldview and beliefs not only on you as citizens but now on the youngest, most impressionable children who they know very well are very easy to manipulate and--and indoctrinate into their belief system, behind your back and against their will. And if you take a stand, they're willing to do everything they can to--to undermine your parental authority. Parental rights
are at stake here and the rights of--to defend the childrens' innocence. have got to take a stand. And we
And one of the
ways you do it in a major way, in the coming days, is voting yes on Prop 8. DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE This is an educated man. He has a
PhD in chemistry.
His wife is a chemist as
well, highly educated people quite capable of managing their home but they are telling you, you have no right to shape and mold the thinking of your child. MR. PARKER, LEXINGTON, MASSACHUSETTS:
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They--they are usurping, um, the primary directorship, uh, that the parents have in guiding the upbringing and moral education of your own children. that authority. They are undermining
And they're using the
public schools because they know the children are a captive audience before teachers that are very powerful authority figures in a--in a child's life. know this. And they
And they're leveraging it.
DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE CHURCH: legally? MR. PARKER, LEXINGTON, MASSACHUSETTS: It has cost over $200,000 in legal fees. DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE CHURCH: He did not know I was going to say What has it cost you so far
this and he didn't ask for this, but go to DavidParkerFund.org, DavidParkerFund.org and let's see if we cannot help--help that with the tremendous cost that--that you have at this time. And there are--I was
doing a debate on a local station here in San Diego and the No on 8 Leader says oh it'll never happen here. That won't happen
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We've have opt-out policies.
of course you do to. my case before them.
And I tried to make The level of
dishonesty is--is pretty astounding. Here's--I have before me the Palmdale case of 2005 in which it in effect says parents do not have a fundamental right or idea on how to run the school or how the public school should do what it does. Very clear In
in a case here in California already. the newspaper a few days ago, teachers
union gave $1 million to No on 8, it had already given $250,000 but the California Teachers Association just gave $1 million more. And then this I got as a brochure,
California Association of Teachers of English, California Association of Teachers of English, they have their 50th Annual Convention coming. February. It's going to be in
Right up here is a section on One of the
the seven program strands.
seven program strands right here is how to teach lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered themes and work it into the curriculum. This is from their website. You can go on
SKYLINE CHURCH: Thank you-[Applause] DR. uh. Go for it. Now Stand firm. You have taken a beating. but for this civil rights movement it's the solution. DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: --to David and Tonya Parker. You were informed that you had to leave the school. GARLOW. GARLOW. ProtectMarriageCA. PARKER. and you . they told us.com. the judges said that the solution is for you to segregate yourselves from the public schools. CA as in you can go to. We have. MASSACHUSETTS: Right. LEXINGTON. I can remember when segregation used to be the problem. listen. Thank you. I interviewed them. I interviewed them last night for about 40 minutes. California. LEAD PASTOR. California Association of Teachers of English. LEAD PASTOR. and you'll find this very thing on the website as well.23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the website. We're going to have it on a site ProtectMarriageCA. I want to compliment you for standing the way you have stood. MR.
We want to get that in front of 1 million people across California. NAZARETH. understand. Yes. LEAD PASTOR. you know.24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 can hear the whole 40 minutes. LEAD PASTOR. Parents ought to be the ones So help us Nazareth. But I mean. but there's a shortened version of it done by Tony Perkins. I mean I have . the secularists get it on this. GARLOW. most people aren't going to sit down and listen to this incredible story for 40 minutes. SKYLINE CHURCH: Go to ProtectMarriageCA and it'll Well these--even They Will you help do that? be there for you to see. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: This is a very sad thing. But more importantly. It will be on our website as well. 200. SKYLINE CHURCH: Go to Protect Marriage-[Applause] DR. [Applause] DR. to teach this. GARLOW. from computer to computer by November the 4th.000 people have seen and heard their story in the last few days. Over We have put that out recently. the sign for this.
and this is scary. those four should be-- NAZARETH.. Can you help us? What is the sign for the A? Bad judges should be MALE VOICE 2: abolished.25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 children and if they heard this they'd go. A for-- [Interposing] No. GARLOW. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: for? --B . CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: no. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] A for what? MALE VOICE 2: A for abolish judges. right here. NAZARETH. please stand up. no. LEAD PASTOR. NAZARETH. no.. [Laughter] NAZARETH. I didn't know there's Amish people in San Diego-[Laughter] NAZARETH. What is A for? --yes. activist judges. So C--so C would be And to help us with the ABC's my Amish brother here. NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: yes. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: MALE VOICE 2: No. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] No. like that. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Activist judges-DR.
dads and moms. And C NAZARETH. NAZARETH. Every little boy and little girl deserves a daddy and a mommy. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Children. LEAD PASTOR. You're welcome. D. I know.26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: time. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: MALE VOICE 2: Children. Yes. applause] NAZARETH. GARLOW. Let's go to the screen right now-- .. They're good people. GARLOW. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: .. GARLOW. They're good people. SKYLINE Let's let the experts talk to us. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE Let's go with the Mennonites next Okay. That isn't working for you-[Laughter] NAZARETH. AUDIENCE: Yes. LEAD PASTOR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Music] DR. MALE VOICE 2: [Laughter. SKYLINE Next time don't pick the Amish. DR. DR. Thank you so much. CHURCH: for? MALE VOICE 2: Benefits.
SKYLINE [Interposing] And why is that important? DR. Those kids are . JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE: The function of marriage is to attach mothers and fathers to one another and mothers and fathers to their children. GARLOW. RUTH INSTITUTE: That's-- it's important because children need and in fact long for relationship with both of those biological parents. especially fathers to children. the first generation of children who were born through. uh. MORSE. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE RUTH INSTITUTE DR.27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: FAMILY: - [Applause] [Music] DR. for instance. anonymous sperm donors. GLENN STANTON. And that's what marriage has always done in every known society. We're already seeing. LEAD PASTOR. That's what--that's what marriage has done-MR. FOCUS ON THE [Interposing] All throughout time- DR.
But if you don't want one. DR. When my friends got divorced I was actually kind of jealous because my friends at least got to visit their dad. adults are . fatherlessness has caused significant problems for a whole generation of children and same-sex marriage would send us more in that direction of intentionally fatherless homes. you And we know that don't have to have one. even knew who my dad was. it was really weird for me. uh.28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 growing up and they're now saying. you know. FOCUS ON THE FAMILY GLEN STANTON:Same sex marriage would reduce every man to a mere sperm donor. have a dad whatsoever. we're compounding. Just like you'd like vanilla or chocolate ice cream. GLEN STANTON. never having a dad. MORSE. Not in practice but in theory because if you want a man for your family. RUTH INSTITUTE: Basically what we're saying is that. I never I never got to So we're--all of the problems that we know about fatherlessness. that's fine if you want one.
even if that involves getting an anonymous sperm donor. PRINCETON UNIVERSITY MS SAMUEL: Laws can have a tremendous effect on the way we view marriage and if we have same-sex marriage legalized. ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST FATHER NEUHAUS: In the case that for many. it's just optional for kids. So parents get to--adults get to have what they want. MS. LECTURER. if they want to. If it's legal it's okay. many people. it's really giving implicitly our political blessing to this thing. kids are not entitled to a genetic relationship with their genetic parents. oh. But kids.29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 entitled to have their genetic offspring. they think if something is legal is must be moral. it's just as good. of an it's okay. FATHER RICHARD NEUHAUS. It's not just kind It's an affirmation that And then we're going to . kids have--get to take whatever we give them. ANA SAMUEL. That.
REV. MANHATTAN BIBLE CHURCH REVEREND DEVLIN:For the benefit of the children. I'm just one person. that provides the foundation not only for great kids but for a great society.30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have this society that eventually is going to come to believe it over generations. REP. BACHMAN: Oftentimes we'll think there's not a lot we can do for America. PASTOR. must be defined as between one man and one woman for life. And the--when we focus on the smallest unit of government which is the family. R-MN 2006 REP. MICHELLE BACHMAN. for the benefit of society and also for the benefit of the man and woman who are involved in that relationship. that's really what the founders said that America would . making that strong in our own back yard. But if we do our best to be a good husband or a good wife and have a strong marriage. marriage must be. WILLIAM DEVLIN.
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be all about, self-government.
when we can rightly govern our--ourselves, the nation takes care of itself. So if we
have strong, well-grounded families we will have a strong, well-grounded nation.
MS. GALLAGHER: If you have your governments and your laws teaching the next generation including in grade school children in public schools that two men in a union are just the same as a husband and wife, that's a really important cultural shift. It's going to be
very hard to teach the next generation that children need a mother and father when our own government has defined that ideal as a form of bigotry. [Music] DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE CHURCH: Now we're up here, we're up to the I didn't even, uh, point out
letter D now.
that it's not Vanna White; it's my wife, Carol, that's changing these cards for us.
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CHURCH: him-CHURCH:
[Applause] DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE As we go. So Nazareth, we're up You--can we--can we Help us out. Yes.
to four letters.
remember four letters?
NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Uh, we've got the letter D.
And if it's
for fathers and dads, I know I'm embracing, a hug would be with a--uh, A. J. here is a Samoan friend. Can you embrace yourself?
'Cause you can't hug me because that will defeat the whole proposition but-[Laughter] NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: can you stand up? What is the D for? Dads and moms. Yes. So if--
NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Can you embrace yourself? Uh, no. [Laughter] NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: hug yourself. Yes that's embracing--
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know I'm going to die later. DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE Letter E, letter E, now are you
remembering these so far? AUDIENCE: Yes.
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about that.
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one of these times we're going to have to go through all of them-NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] Okay what's A for? AUDIENCE: Activist judges. B.
NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Benefits.
NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Children.
NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Dads and moms.
DR. LEAD PASTOR. Why would that be? And where you change the definition of marriage once. GARLOW. And The reason is Now ironically in those places where same-sex marriage is legalized. simply because it works. Marriage has been the fundamental building block. a post-Christian culture. GARLOW. SKYLINE Letter E. LEAD PASTOR. a pre-Christian culture. You're a good In every culture. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. SKYLINE [Interposing] Good teacher. DR. letter E. an anti-Christian culture. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: you Sir. one man/one woman. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] Thank you. whether it's a Christian culture. there's a reason for that. in every culture. Thank DR. NAZARETH.34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: CHURCH: teacher-NAZARETH. what's to keep you from changing it twice? . a nonChristian culture. Everywhere. SKYLINE [Interposing] You're doing pretty good. ironically marriage rates begin to plummet.
multi-racial marriages. that. has tried to equate the permission for same-sex people to marry with those who are biracial. It's not right.35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And three times. BOB HUGHES SKYLINE CHURCH PASTOR: You cannot compare the discrimination that was experienced of those of us who are up against--against interracial marriage in this country and compare it with same-sex marriage. Bob and Jan Hughes. It's wrong. And I want you to talk to us about What do--what goes through your Who wants to talk first heart and mind? when you hear those kinds of comparisons made? As the Connecticut Supreme Court just recently made that and said same-sex marriage has got to be legal because interracial marriage is now legal. and four times. step up here if you would. BOB & JAN HUGHES SKYLINE CHURCH PASTORS MR. pastors here on the church staff here at Skyline. and you end up with all kinds of odd combinations. Now one of the things that's been so offensive that the other side has tried to do. .
that was discrimination. what do you want to add to interracial marriage is forbidden. SKYLINE CHURCH PASTOR: There's nowhere in the Bible where In fact. DR. JAN HUGHES. DR. But it's the Bible itself that does condemn homosexual actions. Jan. And it doesn't violate God's law. This is an issue where we're taking a moral stand against an issue that the Bible explicitly forbids. God ordained And marriage between a man and a woman. Same-sex marriage does. SKYLINE CHURCH: that? MRS. GARLOW. when there used to be laws in this country that forbid interracial marriage. LEAD PASTOR. So do not condemn my God-ordained marriage on an issue that God labels as sin. SKYLINE CHURCH: Hear them carefully because when . even when interracial marriage was seen and authorized as legal. This isn't a matter of discrimination against homosexual marriage. um. GARLOW.36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 It's just--it's just wrong. it's still God's pattern. LEAD PASTOR.
Maggie Gallagher. Talk to us about this issue that everywhere. MAGGIE GALLAGHER.37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 interracial marriage laws went down. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. the fundamental building block has been one man/one woman. A man and a woman. GALLAGHER: Yeah marriage is a virtually universal human social institution. human beings over and over again come up . down in--in the Steppes of Asia. INSTITUTE FOR MARRIAGE AND PUBLIC POLICY MS. what Bob said. in every culture. which is God's pattern. it opened the door for God's pattern. uh. I hope you're available to hear us right now. of more men and more women to marry. Thank you Bob and Jan Hughes for your sharing on this as well-[Applause] DR. you know. Praise God that law was thrown aside. SKYLINE CHURCH: Let's go to Maggie Gallagher. Everywhere in--in jungles and in the desert and--and.
in our own culture but in every known human . Only those societies that manage the procreative implications of male/female sexual attraction survive. And it's It's a public union. I mean those of us who know about God's law but even those who don't know about God's law. it's a sexual union not some other kind of union between male and female. And. it's manifested over and over again. the thing you really have to ask yourself is why is it. got a certain shape to it. not just a person one. You need babies. And children need a Those three Not only father as well as a mother.38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with this basic marriage idea. ideas are the heart of marriage. Why? And I think that when you ask the question the answer is not hard to find. over and over again. not some other kind of union. Marriage exists in every known culture because every culture if it's going to survive has to deal with three basic facts which is that men and women are powerfully attracted to an act that creates new human life. um. so sex between men and women makes babies.
LEAD PASTOR.39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 society because these unions of male and female where men and women come together and promise each other sexual faithfulness so they can raise their children together. GARLOW. to share their resources. DR. MS. GALLAGHER: God bless you. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: --we praise God -MS. GARLOW. GARLOW. DR. LEAD PASTOR. DR. MS. SKYLINE CHURCH: --for you. Pastors of New Venture . SKYLINE CHURCH: Thank you Maggie Gallagher for what you are doing for the State of California-[Applause] DR. GARLOW. these are necessary relationships to the whole society and in a way that no other kind of adult relationship is. LEAD PASTOR. GALLAGHER: Bless all of you. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: My very good friends Sean and Laurie Mitchell. SKYLINE CHURCH: Bless you. GALLAGHER: [Interposing] God bless you--- DR.
Shawn. in this campaign for Prop 8. Uh. We've got to recognize that a civil right is by birth. it is in my mind in a cultural battle. the early ones that jumped on board as we went for this. So there's My church up in Oceanside. a great difference. but gay rights are solely founded on one's sexual and bedroom preference. uh. we've got about. SHAWN MITCHELL. spiritual war. We are in the midst of a And the gay agenda is taking gay rights and now saying that it actually is a civil right. Talk to me about that. NEW VENTURE CHURCH: What does concern me hearing about all this tonight. in our community 65% . SHAWN & LORI MITCHELL NEW VENTURE CHURCH MR. one of the things that's interesting is how often the homosexual moment tries to compare their journey with the civil rights movement. New Venture Christian Fellowship.40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Christian Fellowship in Oceanside. he was one of the first ones.
MITCHELL. applause. said I do to Jesus and are now living a heterosexual lifestyle. the sin of homosexuality and then--and apply it to . uh--uh--um. also have in our church folks who have wrestled with homosexuality and lesbianism and have given themselves to the cross of Jesus Christ. no. NEW VENTURE CHURCH: and I mean it ain't going to happen. there-[Laughter] MR. Hah. you know. it's really funny to me. Jim. MITCHELL. is that you cannot equate. 5% Pacific Asian. know.] MR. NEW VENTURE CHURCH: know. uh. Caucasian. um. We've got about 8% We Black. [Laughter. NEW VENTURE CHURCH: So You You -And but--but the real deal here is. the word says cannot the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots. MITCHELL.41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 are. So we've got ex-gays and ex-lesbians but in our church you won't find an ex-black. Outside of Michael Jackson. you know? [Laughter] MR. 22% Hispanic.
awesome. LEAD PASTOR. take off on what Jan had mentioned earlier about the laws being changed for blacks and whites. MITCHELL. LEAD PASTOR. But recognize that God's And I'm so grace is available to all. SKYLINE CHURCH: Awesome. NEW VENTURE CHURCH: DR. uh. GARLOW. us know folks who are homosexual but we've got to call it what it is. It's now legal and I'm glad it was. what--what would--what would you add to this Laurie? MRS. good words-[Applause] DR. Very good. DR. grateful that it is. GARLOW. And we need to pray for them and love them. SKYLINE CHURCH: Laurie. LEAD PASTOR. Married how many . And when--we begin to think of All of homosexual--we love them as people. SKYLINE CHURCH: years? MRS. SKYLINE 21. GARLOW. nurture them. It is sin. LORI MITCHELL.42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 skin. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. [Laughter] DR. NEW VENTURE CHURCH: Well I'll probably.
CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: . CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: So thank--I--I've got my friend here. [Applause] DR. And many of them get So we're up to five now. the next two. LEAD PASTOR. I'm Mexican now. how are you Sir? DARRYL: I'm well thank you. You talk to secular people. SKYLINE CHURCH: Shawn and Lori Mitchell. NAZARETH. Now what we've covered Blessings on you. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: --have to say to Pastor Shawn I'm an ex-Middle Eastern. What is NAZARETH. so far works especially the first three really work when you talk even to un-church people. Let's see if we Nazareth where are you? can-- NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] Well I-DR. They get the first three. [Laughter] NAZARETH. GARLOW. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: --cover all five.43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: 21 wonderful years. LEAD PASTOR.
LEAD PASTOR. doing Way to go. D. And E? NAZARETH. GARLOW. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Dads and moms. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: nice to meet you Darryl. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Everywhere. do the globe sign. Arnold. Okay so A is for NAZARETH. Okay the E is So we're going to Do it like Everywhere. NAZARETH.44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 your name? DARRYL: Darryl. SKYLINE CHURCH: well. B. Darryl. I go around the country and tell people. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: you. NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Benefits. what? AUDIENCE: Activist. going to be everywhere. . NAZARETH. Oh you're a good teacher. So E for everywhere. hey I'm from California and my governor can beat your governor anytime. NAZARETH. Thank DR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Children. C.
SKYLINE The next letter is F. DR. We'll talk about Sweden in a In every one of these examples rights have been crushed under every time same-sex marriage is legal. This is an You're important one. . We're going to slow down on It stands for this letter F for a moment. Massachusetts. moment. business persons. GARLOW. SKYLINE Thanks Nazareth. freedoms. LEAD PASTOR. freedoms. 8 television ads and say they're lies. churches. Some pastors Many have have been threatened with jail. GARLOW. parents are losing their freedom. we'll talk about New Jersey in a moment. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Thank DR. pastors. in every historical example we have.45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: you. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: welcome. It stands for the loss of In countries where same-sex marriage is legal. NAZARETH. [Applause] NAZARETH. LEAD PASTOR. Now they will try to tell us to They will look at our Yes on But the contrary.
is at stake. She just go to one individual. At its core is they have found a loophole hiding under the guise of civil rights by which they can put underfoot and crush underfoot the rights of every person who has a Biblical worldview. MS. they admit this. 2007-08 PRESIDENT. I just graduated. They know it. DAVIS LAW STUDENTS ASSOCIATION WHAT LEGALIZING SAME SEX MARRIAGE MEANS TO GAYS AND LESBIANS SARAH ASPLIN: I am Or I just The the President of the Law School.46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 been muzzled and silenced. Churches have been threatened and intimidated and parents like we've already heard and business persons as well. Now when they're honest This is ultimately really not about marriage and homosexuality at its core. That is what And let me Watch Sarah. was. U. Watch what she said. SARAH ASPLIN. Sarah Asplin. gets it. yeah that's me. . C.
SKYLINE CHURCH: Gavin Newsome. and so it is actually an even bigger deal that it seems on its face. . tell us your story. GARLOW. Those that They know are on the inner core are savvy. They get it. It's your freedom. It's my freedom. an attorney. DR. Another one said it could set us back 25 years. LEAD PASTOR. It's not just about getting married it's about all sorts of ways that we can protect people in the community. an entire generation if we lose on 8 they're saying. the Mayor of San Francisco openly admits that if we lose on Proposition 8 it will set us back by an entire decade in our other agenda items. uh. What it effectively did was it gave gays and lesbians protection under the law that will extend to other areas of the law such as employment and other contexts. Uh. And to give some more examples. Bob Tyler. what's at stake here. gave us the right to marry today in fact was even more sweeping that just give marriages.47 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 decision that. let's go to Bob Tyler.
uh. Uh. This case is so The California Supreme Court came back and said that the re--that the religious liberty. our case. where they were sued by a lesbian woman. significant. you know. TYLER:Well. based on the California Unrest [phonetic] Civil Rights Act. based upon the First . uh. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY in this case where we have two physicians. whether they trump the religious liberty of these two physicians.48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. first of all it's so important to understand that the--the move against us as Christians is--there's an attempt by the-by the homosexual lobby to not only censor us but to suppress our free exercise of religion. And it's more--it's so evident MR. this is We went all the way up to the California Supreme Court and the issue is whether or not the lesbian woman's rights. that supposedly prevents discrimination. many of you know about this. TYLER. uh. I'll tell you about this case.
no. uh. incredible. a professional cannot refuse services. First Amendment. uh. this decision is one of the most significant . DR. GARLOW.49 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Amendment of the United States Constitution is trumped by this lesbian--lesbian woman's right not to be discriminated against which is based upon state law. they're called And if I cannot refuse on the weddings. TYLER. this case. SKYLINE CHURCH: I was in an interview. It applies. with an It's just individual and I referenced the fact that a professional cannot. And she says well--and I said that could apply to doctors which is does in this case and to pastors whereupon she says well certainly not to pastors. LEAD PASTOR. someday will be forced to do this. MR. based upon this case. I also offer services. in spite of their own religious convictions. You have right of I said free expression. basis of religious convictions to pro-provide services I could be forced and some day will if Proposition 8 does not pass. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: That's right.
the homosexuals' attempt to take away our tax-exempt status. Talk to us about that one. and it goes--and it applies to every one of you in this room and to everyone listening. SKYLINE CHURCH: Chuck Limandri you have another case. uh.50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 decisions in the country. uh. uh. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. far beyond just physicians practicing in medicine. It's so But it goes important. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY 18 MR. LIMANDRI: Happy to do so Pastor Jim. after the same-sex marriage decision. have the privilege of representing four courageous Christian firefighters who were ordered against their will last year to be in the San Diego-[Applause] I . It goes to all of your professions and to all of your businesses. It goes so far beyond. please pray for it. DR. CHUCK LIMANDRI. MR. It goes to ministers. It goes to whether or not our rights to free exercise will trump.
during the course of the 3-hour parade subjected to literally dozens of sexually harassing comments and lewd gestures and public nudity and things that I just don't want to mention in this context and in detail.51 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. On the sexual harassment case which was tried to a jur--jury earlier this month. They were. And they stood up to -- the City of San Diego so that this won't happen to any other San Diego firefighters in the future. kids. it was terrible for them particularly as family men with. LIMANDRI. So they filed a But sexual harassment case against the city. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: gay pride parade. LIMANDRI. we got 8 out of 12 votes in the regular jury plus all 3 alternates but we . [Applause] MR. They also filed a First Amendment action for free speech because under our State Constitution you can't be compelled to speak and being in a parade is considered a form of expressive conduct which should be protected speech. uh. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: Thank you very much.
comments and sentiments in the. not a matter of public interest. . Nonetheless the judge ruled It's that's just their personal opinions. The eight jurors One in the majority told us some of the minor points the dissenters were focusing on and. claim. in the parade and demonstrations and of course a lot of people promoting same-sex marriage in the parade they didn't agree with. uh. constitutionally protected. we're very confident we're going to win next time. On the free speech. They could be ordered into a gay pride parade or any political event that they don't agree with. the judge ruled because my clients are government employees they don't have the same. uh. uh. uh. again we're confident we're going to prevail. It's not Now that decision applies to any government employee in the State of California. and there was a lot of antireligious. vote short. uh.52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 needed 9 votes on the regular jury so we're going to retry that case in January. constitutional protections as everybody else and their personal religious beliefs.
SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: What has it cost? DR. should we lose. at--at this point in time what the doctors are facing. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: You know. these doctors could be facing well over $1 million in attorney's fees. TYLER. has cost. MR. We're appealing that. please-[Applause] DR. LIMANDRI. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. . GARLOW. We think we're going to end up with some good law favoring the religious community by the time we're done with that so keep us in your prayers. uh.53 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So we're confident that's going to be overturned. GARLOW. and tell me that's not persecution. SKYLINE CHURCH: You were going to ask about--we What it were going to ask about the cost. SKYLINE CHURCH: But what--what did it--what did it cost the two doctors to try to defend their right? MR. we're--we're hoping that the US Supreme Court will take the case.
We're talking about $1 million in fees and costs so far. Thank you. Let's hear another Thank you men for what you're doing. SKYLINE Come on over here if you would. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: Well since we went through a free-- uh--a full trial and had dozens of depositions and such the legal fee's over $900. He was a--in the military. GARLOW.54 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: Yeah. LEAD PASTOR. This young Jonathan and Elaine Huguenin. SKYLINE Anything you want to add to that? MR. LIMANDRI. DR. SKYLINE This is what happens when same-sex A lot of us become marriage becomes legal. CHURCH: DR. He came out of the military at that time but also in the midst of all this over these last couple of years. LEAD PASTOR. story. LEAD PASTOR. uh. the actual costs my firm has advanced have been close to $100. this young couple is--they're professionals.000. . couple. uh.000. [Applause] DR. illegal. Eight weeks ago. GARLOW. they gave birth to their firstborn. GARLOW.
ELAINE HUGUENIN.55 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you as a professional photographer received an email one day that has changed your lives. um. And uh. And so we declined. we started. GARLOW. NEW MEXICO PHOTOGRAPHER: Well we had the option of going to litigation or talking things out which was essentially. uh. LEAD PASTOR. um. around that time we got an email from. uh. HUGUENIN: Uh. and then got a phone call from the New Mexico. Division saying that there had been a complaint filed against us. fee. our business a few years ago and. um. uh. JONATHAN HUGUENIN. DR. . we either needed too--either needed to find an attorney or do mediation. SKYLINE CHURCH: So what does mediation mean? MR. uh. And then paying a. yeah. us saying that we're sorry and apologizing for declining to shoot that. What happened? MS. Department of Human Rights. NEW MEXICO PHOTOGRAPHER MS. a lady who had asked us to shoot her samesex ceremony and celebrate with her. uh.
SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] What was the Did they fine you? Did they consequences? . LEAD PASTOR. uh. GARLOW. HUGUENIN NEW MEXICO PHOTOGRAPHER: Yeah. And the hearing that we had in And so we're appealing. MRS. with our apology.56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 um. they ruled against us and so we are-DR. [chuckling]-[Laughter] MR. um. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] At the first level. and January. uh Update it for us. LEAD PASTOR. uh. HUGUENIN NEW MEXICO PHOTOGRAPHER: Um. locate an attorney. MRS. GARLOW. So we decided to. just kind of waiting for the next-DR. DR. GARLOW. contacted the Alliance Defense Fund and Jordan Lawrence who you see on the screen there. is our attorney. And. And. uh. uh. HUGUENIN NEW MEXICO PHOTOGRAPHER: --we. they've been representing us so far. SKYLINE CHURCH: And what's the status of it now? And It's us. it was a little scary for us because we're not a big photography corporation. LEAD PASTOR.
DR. ALLIANCE DEFENSE FUND . I can. SKYLINE CHURCH: In attorney's fees. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. JORDAN LORENCE. DR.57 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 threaten jail? MRS. $6. HUGUENIN NEW MEXICO PHOTOGRAPHER: Um. Jordan can you hear me right now? MR.700 and attorney's fees? MRS. you've got to Is pay the other side's attorney's fees? that it? MRS. GARLOW. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: $6. SKYLINE CHURCH: so right now you have an almost $7. ALLIANCE DEFENSE FUND JORDAN LORENCE: Hi. HUGUENIN NEW MEXICO PHOTOGRAPHER: Right.700 in attorney's fees.000 fine against you at this point. HUGUENIN NEW MEXICO PHOTOGRAPHER: In attorney's fees. DR. LEAD PASTOR. DR. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: What would you pick up and add to this amazing case? JORDAN LORENCE. LEAD PASTOR.
you know. And instead what happened. uh. we do not make these cases up. uh. That this is--these are the implications of what happens when these laws go into effect--into effect. people. So I--I would say how much more it will be if it is legalized. I'm in a live and let live. any regular business owner that . We had to defend them in a real live trial before the New Mexico Human Rights Commission. you know. photographers. And we at the Alliance Defense Fund have probably about a half dozen cases that are similar to this going on around the country. Uh. LORENCE: Well I just want to say--and--and especially for people from the other side that might be listening. I just point out New Mexico does not have legalized same-sex marriage. Uh. And all they thought they were doing was saying hey. these are real people that are before you. you can go have your ceremony up in Taos.58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. uh. That. New Mexico but leave us alone. they had the full force of the State of New Mexico come down upon them. and.
59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 just simply doesn't want to have anything to do with this. from Chuck and. a church that rents out its facilities who doesn't want to do anything about this. . uh. uh. And there's a whole And spectrum of these kinds of laws. uh. the other attorney earlier that they were just--they were basically showing that these types of laws can pop up in situations that you never expected. SKYLINE CHURCH: Does New Mexico have civil unions or domestic partnerships? MR. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. uh. on the basis of sexual orientation. with. uh. uh. companies cannot discriminate when doing business with customers. California has the complete spectrum like when you were hearing. DR. uh. You just think you're living your own life. LORENCE: No they don't have any of that but they do have a law that says that. they're all going to get sued for discrimination because it's viewed as an affront to say that regular marriage is different than same-sex marriage.
But with resolve and conviction. LEAD PASTOR. And we've only There are so many. We don't make these cases up. GARLOW. Thank you for doing that. you-[Applause] DR. We're proud of God's blessings upon your lives. We will not. GARLOW.60 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 like Elaine and Jon did here and the next thing you know the full force of the state has come down upon you and you're viewed as. could have caved in easily at several points along the way. SKYLINE CHURCH: Jordan. DR. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. some bigot that needs to be punished and to be made an example of. straight from the first century of Christianity you said no. [Applause] DR. you for being courageous and standing.C. touched on a few. SKYLINE CHURCH: Jordan thank you for joining us Jon and Elaine. SKYLINE CHURCH: We're excited for you and we await Okay. uh. thank You from Washington D. Jordan was right. well just hear a few of them yourself from three . LEAD PASTOR.
SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: In June 2007 the Oakland City government found the words "marriage is a foundation of a natural family and sustains family values" to be a hate crime. MR. a public elementary school is . SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: The California Supreme Court decided that the city of Berkeley could withdraw a rent subsidy from the Boy Scouts because of their opposition to homosexuality. MR. LIMANDRI.61 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 attorneys right now. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: 2006. MR.S. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: June of 2005 a U. MR. DACUS. DACUS. MR. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: February 2008. District Court held In April that a student's religious speech which opposed the school's endorsement of homosexuality could be banned at the school. San Francisco City Board of Supervisors issued a resolution condemning the Catholic Church's teaching on homosexuality and urging Catholic leaders to defy the Vatican's directive not to place children with same-sex couples. TYLER. TYLER.
SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: August 2007. He will dress like a girl and begin using a unisex bathroom. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: In In Colorado in June 2008 the governor signed a law making it illegal to deny a person access to restrooms and locker rooms based on the "perception of the person's gender identity. LIMANDRI. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: In . DACUS. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: June of this year 2008 in Colorado the governor signed a law making it illegal to publish or distribute books. MR. TYLER. MR. papers or other writings that discriminate against sexual orientation which could effectively outlaw the Bible. Des Moines YMCA signed a conciliatory agreement with a lesbian couple to change the organization's definition of family to include same-sex couples after the lesbian couple filed a complaint with the city's Human Rights Commission." MR. MR.62 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 preparing to accommodate a second grader who was born a boy but now feels that he is a girl. LIMANDRI.
DACUS. MR. MR. LIMANDRI. March 2006. In . a homosexual man sued two Christian publishers for emotional distress due to their versions of the Bible that they--that refer to homosexuality as a sin. MR. Catholic Charities was forced out of the adoption business for the first time in 100 years because it would not place children with homosexual couples. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: Massachusetts. meaning they were obligated to perform same-sex marriage even if doing so violated their sincerely held religious beliefs. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: July In 2008 in Michigan. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: Virginia a Christian man who owned a video duplication business was ordered to do work for a lesbian activist after the man initially declined to do the work because of his religious views against homosexuality. TYLER.63 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Massachusetts in 2004 after gay marriage was legalized. the Justices of Peace were told by the Governor's Office that they must simply follow the law.
SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: Washington D.. definitely-DR. October 2007 the In Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was fired because he publicly expressed his moral views opposing homosexual behavior. thank you. The list is actually considerably longer. DACUS. LEAD PASTOR. MR. He was fined and ordered He lost his case in to print the material. both the Ontario Supreme Court and the Ontario Court of Appeal. . GARLOW. a professional printer declined to print material for the Canadian Gay and Lesbian Archives. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: Definitely. C. TYLER. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: Also in Canada a Catholic high school was forced by the Ontario Supreme Court to allow a homosexual student to take his boyfriend to the prom even though the school has a rule against condoning sexual behavior. SAN DIEGO ATTORNEY: Canada 2000. MR. SKYLINE [Interposing] Thank you. LIMANDRI. MR. So as you can see this is a problem all over the place.64 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: MR. TYLER.
SKYLINE .65 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 These attorneys could have gone on. StevenBoissoin. But the person who may demonstrate the most of what it means if you speak out on homosexuality of any of the pastors I know occurred in the country of Sweden. The man who's come the farthest. And the dear price he is paying to this day in that area. I I said cover what you can in three minutes of these cases.com in Canada. to be with us tonight is our special guest. would you welcome him here to the United States of America. All the way from Sweden. B-O-I-S-SO-I-N. [Applause. I. not just medical doctors but well into the church if you want to look at Steven Boissoin. who's come the farthest by far. they could have gone on and on here. LEAD PASTOR. Ake [phonetic] Green. Read what happened to him as a pastor when he wrote a letter to the editor saying the same kind of things that any of us would say who believe the Bible. GARLOW. cheering] DR. just gave them three minutes. not just firefighters. Not just the business we've talked about.
CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Absolutely. the word in Swedish for welcome is what again? INTERPRETER: Van commen. AUDIENCE: Van commen. two. DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Van commen. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. GREEN SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Yes. DR. MR. It started on July the 20th. SKYLINE CHURCH: And? MR. LEAD PASTOR. SWEDISH PASTOR MR GREEN: Thank you very much. GREEN SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: And after that they placed charges against me and I had to go to the . SKYLINE CHURCH: I want to know what happened. NAZARETH.66 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: What's. GARLOW. MR. 2003. AKE GREEN. three. LEAD PASTOR. Well I was preaching a sermon about what the Bible says about homosexuality. One. DR. uh. Did I get it right? Let's all say it together on the count of three.
Green] MR.67 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 court. DR. play it in the court? [Crosstalk between interpreter and Mr. LEAD PASTOR. wait. GARLOW. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: And the prosecutor in the courts thought that he had good evidence against me. did they play--you asked if they could play the tape. GREEN. the entire sermon. . SWEDISH PASTOR. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: Wow. 'Cause I had taped my So we asked sermon and he had that tape. LEAD PASTOR. Now that's a way to get a wider listenership to your sermons. SWEDISH PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Then what happened? MR. the judge if he can play the tape in the whole--in the court. back up here a second. And after that they sentenced me to one month in prison. DR. GARLOW. did they play the sermon. LEAD PASTOR. Uh. SKYLINE CHURCH: Well wait. GREEN. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Yeah they played the whole sermon in 45 minutes. DR.
SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: No 'cause we appealed to the . GREEN. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: They sentenced me for one--one month in prison. GARLOW. GARLOW. SWEDISH PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. what did they rule? MR. GREEN.68 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: crime. SKYLINE So what'd they rule in that first court hearing after hearing your sermon. SKYLINE So what were they going to do? Well they found me What was the fine or? MR. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. DR. GREEN. CHURCH: CHURCH: MR. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE [Interposing] So you went to a second court hearing. DR.. SKYLINE One month in prison for your hate Did you go serve that time then? MR.Court and I didn't have to go-DR. LEAD PASTOR. DR. SWEDISH PASTOR. GREEN. SWEDISH PASTOR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: guilty for hate crime. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: It was amazing. . SWEDISH PASTOR. GARLOW.
SKYLINE Back in the same courtroom? MR. SKYLINE So. SKYLINE Let me get this straight. GARLOW. SWEDISH PASTOR. huh-[Cheering] DR. GARLOW.69 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: CHURCH: CHURCH: MR. GREEN. GREEN. Your sermon--you preached the sermon first on your church and then to a very captive . SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Yes I came to the second--the second court-DR. GREEN. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. [Audience chuckling] DR. LEAD PASTOR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: But they knew that many people wanted to hear this so they rented a cinema-[Laughter. SWEDISH PASTOR. And what happened at the appellate court? MR. LEAD PASTOR. SWEDISH PASTOR. applause] DR. SKYLINE [Interposing] An appellate court. LEAD PASTOR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Well it was the same prosecutor and he wanted to play the tape again. GARLOW.
GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: It was very interesting because the judge. LEAD PASTOR. SWEDISH PASTOR. GARLOW. SWEDISH PASTOR. A key question for me as a pastor is did you get to take an offering-[Laughter] MR. is in a cinema. GREEN. SKYLINE CHURCH: That's an interesting way to launch a new ministry. SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay so what happened in court No they didn't let trial number two. GREEN. the appellant court. [Laughter] DR. he had a--his Bible and looking up all the verses that I was saying in my sermon-[Laughter] DR.70 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 audience in a courtroom and then to a packed out cinema. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: me. when he was listening to my sermon. what was the result of that one? MR. [Laughter] .
I suppose Okay. DR. GARLOW. So that's what he said [laughing]. SWEDISH PASTOR: I haven't DR. SKYLINE [Interposing] Oh the ankle bracelet? MR. what do you call it where you have this-DR. GREEN. LEAD PASTOR. SWEDISH PASTOR. Ankle bracelet or But I said if they find-- find me guilty. I'd rather go to prison. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. um. if--if they would find me guilty if I wanted to have. SWEDISH PASTOR. they asked me actually.71 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: CHURCH: either. GREEN. GREEN. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: go to prison. SKYLINE Never heard of this one. SKYLINE You haven't either. SWEDISH PASTOR. MR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: [Interposing] But . CHURCH: DR. GARLOW. we're at--at the conclusion of trial two. LEAD PASTOR. GREEN. GARLOW. what's--what's the verdict? MR. SKYLINE Well so-MR. LEAD PASTOR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Wait.
[Applause] DR.72 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 they overturned my conviction. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. So we appealed to They took--took my case. SKYLINE CHURCH: So you walk away a free man and that's the end of the story. DR. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: So what happened? MR. LEAD PASTOR. GREEN. So--but And I had to go to court again. DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] [Laughing]-- . SKYLINE CHURCH: Way to go. right? MR. SWEDISH PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Oh okay. before the court the national TV came to me and asked if they could play my sermon-[Laughter] DR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: the Supreme Court. GARLOW. [Applause] DR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Well I went out like a free man but the prosecutor didn't like that. GREEN. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. SWEDISH PASTOR. GARLOW.
GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: They played it for all--all the Swedish people. GREEN. GARLOW. DR. GARLOW. applause] DR. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE [Interposing] Oh my goodness-[Cheering. GARLOW. GREEN. SKYLINE Uh--on--on television? [Crosstalk] DR.73 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: CHURCH: CHURCH: CHURCH: MR. LEAD PASTOR. [Laughter] DR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: in the whole of Sweden. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE TV and radio across the entire country? MR. GARLOW. SKYLINE Well you're the--you're the Billy . SKYLINE So you were--so sermon gets played. in church and in all these court cases and where does it get played this time? MR. --and the whole-- now this is the fourth time. SWEDISH PASTOR. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Yeah-- DR. GREEN. SWEDISH PASTOR. SWEDISH PASTOR.
SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay. LEAD PASTOR. acquit you or did they find you guilty? MR. [Laughter] DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Way to go-[Applause] DR. So they preferred to find me not guilty and referred to--to the European Union's laws that protect freedom of speech and freedom of religion. LEAD PASTOR. But they knew--be--because we had said that if they found us guilty we will appeal to the European Union court. GARLOW. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: Are you--you're telling this story . LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. DR. GREEN. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: --way to go. SWEDISH PASTOR. Now did the Swedish high court then or the Supreme Court did they find you. [Applause] DR. LEAD PASTOR. uh.74 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Graham of Sweden. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: According to the Swedish law the Supreme Court wanted to find me guilty.
SWEDISH PASTOR. a spirit of boldness-[Applause] DR. need you to look in one of these cameras. SKYLINE CHURCH: Now let's go a phrase at a time and he'll interpret a phrase at a time. But I'm I want you to pray. um. a spirit of boldness upon California pastors. SWEDISH PASTOR. I have had the opportunity to--to tell this in other countries. Ake. There are people gathered in probably around 170 church auditoriums across the state. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Father in heaven I pray that you touch our hearts that we . I I need--I believe that you need to pray. MR.75 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 far and wide. particularly concerned for pastors. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. DR. GREEN. the camera straight in front. GREEN. SPEAKING THROUGH AN INTERPRETER: Yeah. Are you able to travel and go to other countries? MR. And then there are thousands of people watching you at their individual computers. SKYLINE CHURCH: As you were talking. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW.
Wonderful. GARLOW. name. Thank you. wonderful. amen. Tell him he's a hero to us. GARLOW. wonderful. telling you. Thank you. you keep those. Bless you. Let your kingdom expand that all demons fly away from your power. for those who you equip--for those you choose as servants. Lord. wonderful. You are.76 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 shall experience your spirit and your strength and let us experience your anointing. In praise of Jesus' DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Amen. LEAD PASTOR. bless you. [Applause. LEAD PASTOR. music] . And I pray for boldness. AUDIENCE: Amen. I believe that you should shed this all over your servants. [Applause] DR. you protect them. that you give your servants boldness. thank you. great boldness over all your pastors in this country. bless all churches that want to stand for you. SKYLINE CHURCH: Ake Green. Thank you. You are Thank you. I'm Tell him he's a hero to us. You're a hero.
It's changed The number one ingredient that causes people to compromise is when their desire for respectability from other persons outweighs their reverent fear of God. we've read about the great saints. Why won't somebody challenge it? He went You for months and finally God said. We've extolled them. won't somebody challenge this wicked law. SKYLINE Be seated. We sing songs about how wonderful they are and sermon illustrations. Let me just talk to the pastors. He didn't want this. let's stand and may the spirit of Ake Green fall on us all. . Pastoring has changed. you. stand up and that's why he did what he did. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. enormously. He kept saying why He didn't choose this. So pastors and Christian leaders. We must fear God more than man. Now God has given us an incredible opportunity to be like one of them. Whatever it costs us. you're where you are because you are bold and courageous but I want to encourage you to challenge other pastors.77 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: DR. pastors who are listening right now.
SKYLINE CHURCH: There have been--there have been so many interviews that I've done where I refer to Ake Green and they will say but yeah that's Sweden and they'll cut me off oftentimes right then. about 1869. LEAD PASTOR. And we're going to talk right now Scott Hoffman's the to Scott Hoffman. I've had the We go to Ocean privilege of being there. If you're going to cut that one off let me take you to Ocean Grove. I say wait a minute. GARLOW. New Jersey. It started A A part of my doctoral dissertation was done on the moment that began this particular Ocean Grove camp meeting. Now I did my last two degrees in I love New Jersey.78 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 God give us more just like him in California and across America right now. it's one square mile. New Jersey. the State of New Jersey. Grove. wait a minute. But along the ocean there's a beautiful little town. [Applause. I've spoke there. it's called Ocean Grove. breathtaking camp meeting. Carol and I just really enjoyed that state immensely. . cheering] DR.
GARLOW. us? Scott. with them. what happened at Ocean Grove at the camp meeting association where you're the director? MR. HOFFMAN: I sure am Jim. uh. SKYLINE CHURCH: Scott. uh. a same- sex couple that came to do a ceremony at one of our boardwalk worship facilities-[Music playing louder in the background] MR. late 2006 the New Jersey State Legislature was forced to pass a law by the court system in New Jersey to either have same-sex marriage or same-sex civil unions. HOFFMAN: Well what happened is. SCOTT HOFFMAN. LEAD PASTOR. OCEAN GROVE CAMP ASSOC. in. uh. They passed a Then we had. uh. HOFFMAN.: --and asked for permission to do that which we denied on the grounds of our biblical beliefs. civil union law. DR. Thank you. We had a long conversation They left disappointed but . OCEAN GROVE CAMP ASSOC. are you on the phone with MR. MR.79 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Director.
secure the. before the merits of the case had been determined.80 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 understanding our position but then shortly thereafter we received a notice from the Attorney General's Office in New Jersey that we were being investigated on charges of discrimination stemming from our failure to allow this ceremony. uh. the administrative hearing at the Civil Rights Office of the Attorney General's Office. So after a lot of discussion we decided to. uh. even in the eyes of the state. we have a Green Acres exemption on our beach and boardwalk for the open space which we've had since 1989. wrong or not. uh. the . uh. uh. So we filed on the Federal. But sim--simultaneously while that was going on. uh. uh. wonderful services of the Alliance Defense Fund who encouraged us to file in the Federal court on First Amendment grounds. uh. They determined in the Federal court. before it had been determined whether we had done anything. exhausted our remedies at the state level and so they sent us back to the state for. that we had not adequately. And. uh.
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Department of Environmental Protection withdrew our tax exempt stat--status for the pavilion, uh, because we had failed to do that ceremony. Um. So as of today
we're still waiting for the, uh, New Jersey administrative stage to complete the DRC Division of Civil Rights, hasn't yet even concluded their investigation to determine if we're guilty or not. November of '07-DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] When you had-MR. HOFFMAN, OCEAN GROVE CAMP ASSOC.: --that's - - . DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE CHURCH: --when you had the conversation That's been since
originally with the first lesbian couple, the second les--I guess you had several lesbian couples come to you, was it hostile? Was it mean? Did you have, uh,
warning signals that this is what was going to happen? MR. HOFFMAN: No not at all. In those cases the, uh, The
conversation was very civil.
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conversation was very, uh, it was a request on their part which we explained would be in opposition to our deeply held religious beliefs. They were disappointed that they
couldn't have it in this beautiful setting, uh, but seemed to understand. So we had no
idea that there was going to be a, uh, a storm coming. DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE CHURCH: There's 100 miles of Jersey shore They chose this Scott, thank you We're going to be
they could have selected. one spot, specifically. for coming on with us. praying for you. thank you-MR. HOFFMAN: [Interposing] Thank you. praying for you too.
Stand fast my brother,
We'll--we'll be
DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE CHURCH: --thank you so much my brother.
This is the kind of intimidation and bullying that takes place and this is in our country here and now. up a little bit. We'll lighten it We've
Nazareth, help us.
got quite a few letters going now.
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Tracey. CHURCH:
NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: you know what?
I'm going to go to Sweden
and do gay jokes now that the publicity is so good over there-[Laughter] DR. GARLOW, LEAD PASTOR, SKYLINE [Laughing] Oh no. NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: and you don't need to speak English. are you? Okay. --yes How
For the letter F we're So
going to do shackle, no freedom for F. for F. uh, what's your name young man? TRACEY: Tracey.
That's a girl's name--oh freedom, yeah, you can-[LAUGHTER] NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: --Oh, hi
TRACEY: name, so I--
Yeah she was cute, I took her
NAZARETH, CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] Oh thank you so much. defeats Proposition 8, thank you. the wrong guy, uh. That I picked
Okay remember all of
everybody and tell them. You did--uh. NAZARETH. C. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Good. TRACEY: B. TRACEY: A-- NAZARETH. Everywhere. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: TRACEY: AUDIENCE: Everywhere. [Laughter] NAZARETH.84 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 them? Okay. Freedom. child. have a . CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: TRACEY: AUDIENCE: Freedom. you're doing a bad job. D. I want you to look at A. NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] What does it--? TRACEY: --activist judges. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Activist judges. C. And F? NAZARETH. Benefits. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: yourself. 2 out of 6 is not bad. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Benefits. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: TRACEY: Dads and moms. Yes. Embrace E. NAZARETH. TRACEY: NAZARETH. NAZARETH.
In fact. And California has in all but the last three months of our 158-year history. it. GARLOW. . thank you.000 years. I need a couple of you to help me out real quickly. one woman marriage for a couple thousand years.85 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 seat. Don't let anybody talk you out of that historic. Let me make a real quick Let me have my Amish friend come back up here--he's not Amish in reality but come on up here. Judeo- Christian heritage has affirmed it for 5. orthodox Christianity has affirmed one man. SKYLINE CHURCH: Huh. The US has in all of our history until some judges took it away from some people in Massachusetts. historic. DR. illustration here. GARLOW. one woman for 2. The reason for it is because God established it because it works. orthodox Christianity has affirmed one man.000 years. [Applause] DR. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. thank you. SKYLINE CHURCH: Our next one is the letter G and God established it just stands for God.
here. go. Right over difficult tonight. would you two come help me. SKYLINE CHURCH: Quit arguing. [Laughter] Okay you stand right DR. uh. [Laughter] DR. No. you Thank you for coming up And. SKYLINE CHURCH: Too bad somebody cut your pants Okay.86 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And I want you two right here. yep. over here. GARLOW. And. here. GARLOW. [Laughing] DR. would you two. LEAD PASTOR. no--right over here--come over . SKYLINE CHURCH: Now you stand right here okay. GARLOW. right here. would you two come help me up here. thank you. Don't argue with me. uh. LEAD PASTOR. you two right there--yep. Now I want you Now you stand right here. Would you Yeah. You have been so You--okay here we Come Come right up here on the stage. to stand right here and you--yeah there we go. LEAD PASTOR. here. off but you'll do okay. two right here come help me out? two.
LEAD PASTOR. Now in this--in this story. applause] [Interposing] DR. Here's a quick--here's a quick--calm down. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. one man.87 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 here. come over here. You stand right here. Okay. GARLOW. Just-[Laughter. There we go. a real quick Bible story from Genesis. SKYLINE CHURCH: --all the way. one woman. SKYLINE CHURCH: --a quick story. we're going to have a Bible story. In this--my illustration you get to play the role of God. GARLOW. all the way to the The Bible begins with And Book or Revelation. I'm doing the show. you're old--from Genesis-[Interposing] [Laughter] DR. a marriage and it ends with a wedding.. Okay.. SKYLINE CHURCH: With a--with a God like that I thank you for Jesus. You get--I- -I've been picking on you but I'm going to go easy on you now. all the way through it's always lifted up as one model. GARLOW. . Here comes-[Interposing] [Laughter] DR.
boy when you can't get union help see what you're stuck . SKYLINE --[chuckling]. GARLOW. GARLOW. God you're all of [Interposing] [Laughter] DR. God is both masculine. LEAD PASTOR. God is the full spectrum of all the qualities of masculinity. Okay.. Okay.. He's going You are going to be his And you are Adam and Eve. DR. tenderness. you could be nice and warm and--okay. listen very carefully. LEAD PASTOR.88 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: that-CHURCH: [Laughter. drum roll]. to be God. SKYLINE Whoa. For strength. and feminine. Since God is neither male nor female. Never mind. LEAD PASTOR. he made them in his image. SKYLINE Okay. creation. When God made Adam and Eve. okay? [Laughter] DR. I didn't say you had to be intimidating. this illustration you get in touch with your feminine side. Just. GARLOW. strength and historically what's associated with femininity? Tenderness.
a strength and the tenderness of femininity and together when Adam and Eve come together in union. And so when he created Adam and Eve. they have a full image of God displayed in their life. Okay. co-creators with God in the ongoing creation process. If I were . he created Adam and Eve. when--in that moment. as one entity. GARLOW. come together in this story. they become a reflection of the full spectrum--spectrum of the image of God.89 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 with? [Laughter] DR. So as a husband and wife. is a sperm and an egg and a miracle of humanity. God is both all the strength and masculinity and all the tenderness of femininity. Adam and Eve. And the result is they become partners. Part of what God gave and stamped in their heart and image is the capacity to create. SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay. Adam and Eve come The result together in Genesis Chapter 4. LEAD PASTOR. Stamped upon them together to become one at that point. Now. Now this is the image of God.
GARLOW. That's the theological underpinnings to what is happening here. If I were the enemy. You are playing the role of Well. [Laughter] DR. We tend We tend role of the church. in this illustration guess what you get to be? Jesus. And you are playing the The church. [Laughter] DR. act a little more excited.90 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the enemy. to think backwards from reality. to think God established marriage on earth and he borrowed from that metaphor and tried to portray to us what it's going to . this is a married couple somewhere in our community. LEAD PASTOR. Now let's go further with our story. step over here a little bit further up. let's just pretend. GARLOW. if I were the enemy. a married couple. This--in this They're This-- illustration. Okay there we go. what would want to do is destroy the image of God off the earth so people would not have a grasp of the fullness of the nature of God. SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay. SKYLINE CHURCH: Victor. LEAD PASTOR.
The real marriage you have not yet fully seen. But if I were Satan and I knew that was God's agenda and where he was headed and he needed visual aids on the earth to try to . even the delight within sexual expression itself is a reminder of the sheer joy at the right hand. marriage. The real marriage. The joy of being in the presence of Almighty God.91 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 be like in the end times. is this one. And so he made the analogy well just like you have marriage on earth. the redeemed community. I'm going to put marriage on the planet so they'll get a grasp of the joy and the delight. We have it backwards. truly become one with each other. are pleasures for evermore. capital M. The church and Jesus coming together. This is small m. And God said. All of history is culminating towards that one thing when Jesus and the church become completely one. hum. so they can understand how wonderful this is. That's when the church and Jesus become one. that's what it's going to be like when Jesus and the church. capital Marriage.
Chuck and Jena Norris are going to help us out. I'm Chuck And we're Norris and this is my wife Jena. GARLOW. right now. SKYLINE CHURCH: I want you to watch the screen We have something very special right now. two men and two women that way people would never be able to grasp a Bible that starts with a marriage and ends with a wedding. I would come in and I would destroy this. what's at stake here. GARLOW. CHUCK AND JENA NORRIS MR. And then I'd really go for it at its core and I'd throw this model aside. That's Let's hear it for the people who helped us out here. sharing with you from our Texas ranch about . LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Thank you so much for that. about to come. [Applause] DR.92 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 demonstrate that. LEAD PASTOR. CHUCK NORRIS: Hi. [Applause] DR. I would clobber it with stuff like divorce and pornography.
Prop 8 is needed. as it was called. In 2000 a strong majority voted to uphold the definition of a traditional marriage with a statewide referendum. JENA NORRIS: For some citizens of California the need for Proposition 8 might seem a big confusing. As part-time residents of the Golden State we are concerned about the precedent set by Proposition 8 and its effect on the rest of the nation. the Marriage Amendment that maintains the union between a man and a woman. NORRIS: We encourage Californians to vote yes for Prop 8 for three simple . That is why It would amend the Constitution to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. But Proposition 22. However in May of 2008. 4 California State Supreme Court judges. only amended State Civil Code. against the will of the California citizens. MRS. MR.93 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 California's Proposition 8. just as you voted in 2000. voted that laws limiting marriage to opposite sex couples violate the State's constitutional rights of same-sex couples.
MRS. NORRIS: Um-hum. NORRIS: The second reason that we encourage Californians to vote yes for Prop 8 is because redefining the bounds of marriage will have an immediate impact upon all of our children especially those within public schools. NORRIS: The third reason that we .94 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 reasons. First we don't believe four judges should have the right to overturn laws already passed by voters and the State legislature. The majority of Californians have already spoken and it is simply not right for a very small minority to override their decision. NORRIS: MR. Their jobs is to apply the laws to specific situations not to create new ones or legislate from the bench. Proposition 8 is not just about preserving traditional marriage but pro--protecting educational curriculum about this sacred union. MR. California Education Code Section 51933 states that instruction and material shall teach respect for marriage and committed relationships. MRS.
MRS. NORRIS: MR. NORRIS: Even Texans-[Interposing] Even . NORRIS: [Interposing] Um-hum. --as Americans. I say things that may ruffle feathers in government but freedom of expression is all of our right-MRS. God created the first couple. NORRIS: [Interposing] Um-hum. a man and a woman. MRS. Let's unite and let our Please take courage and vote yes on Proposition 8. MR. NORRIS: And safeguard marriage for future generations of Californians and the rest of America. that there's no reason to be ashamed of that fact. NORRIS: Um-hum.95 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 encourage Californians to vote yes for Prop 8 is because we're all Americans and we should never be afraid or intimidated to vote our conscience-MRS. NORRIS: MR. --in my new book. As sure as a house divided cannot stand. neither can a state or a nation. voices be heard. Black Belt Patriotism which is a cultural manifesto on issues from family to faith and country.
GARLOW. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] I'm right here. GARLOW. [Laughter. I'm leaving-DR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: upset man. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Laughing] Whatever you say-NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: . SKYLINE CHURCH: I. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] Oh come up here-NAZARETH. is that it? [Laughter] DR. [Applause] DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay Nazareth where are you--? NAZARETH. I say to the other side in case you're listening in. GARLOW. Where are God is Amish and Jesus has a headband. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: here. DR. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. --I'm I'm --I know you're there. GARLOW. you may mess with us preachers but don't mess with Chuck Norris. applause] DR. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR.96 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Texans. SKYLINE CHURCH: you? NAZARETH.
even young people are going for Pro--yes on Proposition 8. them again? So can we go over A is. AUDIENCE: NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: You I say yeah I know what you mean [click. what's the sign for A? Activist judges. Jessica. would you stand up? You know. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: know in Texas when they make a hat and point. So God our creator. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: right. click]. they go you know what I mean [clicks]? [Laughter] NAZARETH. for God. NAZARETH. B. that. NAZARETH. All G's going to be--G's going to be So this is a point for God. God.97 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 [Interposing] I this young lady here me where. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Activist judges. . [Laughter] NAZARETH. I just want people to know What's your name? JESSICA: Jessica. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: have you been to Texas? JESSICA: No.
NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: God. AUDIENCE: Everywhere. C.98 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: you. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Thank you. Homosexual Thank lifestyle. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Freedom. NAZARETH. Yes. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Good [Applause] NAZARETH. NAZARETH. NAZARETH. AUDIENCE: Benefits. And F? NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Children. GARLOW. Dads and moms. LEAD PASTOR. Can be transformed by the power We love those that are We do of Jesus Christ. . yes. caught up in same-sex attraction. AUDIENCE: NAZARETH. And G. AUDIENCE: D. applause] DR. job. [Music playing. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Benefits. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: E. SKYLINE Letter H. Children. Dads. letter H.
We love them. questioning whether I might be gay. And for the next decade. Tell it to me. And I know from personal experience Uh. stepped into my first homosexual relationship at the age of 16. lived homosexually. two of the biggest lies out there. and God began to radically-DR. MELISSA FRYREAR. radically change my life. FRYREAR:Pastor Jim. GARLOW. you've got a story. I questioned my sexuality. as young as 13. in the early 90s through God's intervening grace and accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior and Lord. FOCUS ON THE FAMILY: over time. one that homosexuality is genetic and second that once gay. the next 10 years.99 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 not hate anyone. lived as a lesbian. I was I that that's not true. MS. FRYREAR. MS. FOCUS ON THE FAMILY MS. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] Hum. We want Melissa. My -- . LEAD PASTOR. Well. their life to be transformed. always gay.
Now as we've been talking about tonight. that scientific truth affirming a Biblical truth which. but it's also a message of hope that because homosexuality is not genetic. throughout the United States. my opinions. this is absolutely something that can be overcome. pro-gay secular organizations like the American Psychiatric Association.100 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 feelings. my thoughts. the American Psychological Association acknowledge this truth as well. because people are not born gay. And you might be surprised to learn that even gayaffirming. uh. that people can change. around the world. Now not only is that. uh. who have the same . even physically what I looked like. shouldn't surprise us as Christians. their literature states there's no replicated study that proves homosexuality is genetic. yes. of course. And I have the privilege to be here tonight with all of you and understand that I represent thousands and thousands of men and women in California. we know that homosexuality is not genetic as Christians. my attractions. The APA.
oftentimes we quote First That says and some . FRYREAR. is it First or Second Corinthians? were-MS. That because of the love of the Heavenly Father. The truth is not born gay. and the truth is once gay but now straight.101 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 testimony. SKYLINE CHURCH: You. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Yeah. LEAD PASTOR. as Christians. GARLOW. [Chuckling] DR. absolutely not. this--this absolutely can be overcome and changed. And so the truth is. FOCUS ON THE FAMILY: [Interposing] Oh. LEAD PASTOR. uh. born gay. What's that passage from. SKYLINE CHURCH: And you--yeah-[Interposing] [Applause] DR. uh. because of the power of God's holy spirit and because of what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross. [Applause] DR. you know thousands of people who like you have walked out of this. uh. First Corinthians. GARLOW. GARLOW. in his name and through his blood.
[Applause] DR. LEAD PASTOR. You can go to the website. I--I spent about--almost 50 to 55 minutes interviewing you and we have that on the website along with Ake Green and Dave and Tonya Parker and all these. DR. and now we have millennia of--of witnesses of thousands and thousands again of men and women who have overcome homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ. www. GARLOW. That's aw--awesome-[Interposing] [Applause] DR. GARLOW.102 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Corinthians 6. SKYLINE . SKYLINE CHURCH: --come up here.ProtectMarriageCA. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. uh. 9 and 10 but we leave out verse 11 and verse 11 says and such were some of you. GARLOW. Melissa thank you for being with us. that there were people struggling with homosexuality and that God radically changed their lives. and we have witness from the first century of the church. SKYLINE CHURCH: I whish we had another hour.com and you can watch the full interviews.
[Applause. lady. Vince and Marina I just met them a few days ago. to do-DR.103 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: Romeri. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: know. He met this spun him around. He was caught up in a homosexual lifestyle for years. Way to go. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] Fine. set him free. way to go. applause] DR. LEAD PASTOR. They got married and they're about ready to celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary in just a few days-[Interposing] [Cheering. This is Vince. LEAD PASTOR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: . are you going to take this letter H? NAZARETH. SKYLINE CHURCH: --way to go. Can we do-[Laughter] --YMCA --I You I Any of the signs I want [Interposing] NAZARETH. I--I really struggled with that. GARLOW. NAZARETH. One day God got a hold of him. can't find a sign. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: can't do. music] DR. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Where are we? Nazareth.
to do-DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] That's good. so we'll say. Since people can come out of that lifestyle. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: --all So for H we're going . no. GARLOW. You-That's yeah I think that's a lot better than YMCANAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: better than YMCA-DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: --thank you [chuckling]. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. Would that work? DR. GARLOW. NAZARETH. GARLOW. How are you my friend? Okay. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Okay. actually they're coming out of the closet of homosexuality. [Laughter] NAZARETH. no. they say we're coming out of the closet. NAZARETH. SKYLINE CHURCH: Yeah.104 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 for that one? DR. LEAD PASTOR. yeah. No. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] Okay. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Oh. you know. come on. no.
SKYLINE CHURCH: I've got to be involved. LEAD PASTOR. He's been along this ride all the way from the beginning-[Interposing] [Applause] DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Say it again. [Applause] DR. me. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. Star--star player here. DR. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: What's the word? What can we do? . working this out. GARLOW. DR. GARLOW. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW.105 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 right. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: We're going to go to the letter I The letter I right now stands Say that with right now. Thank you very much. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: --13 months. AUDIENCE AND DR. for I've got to be involved. DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: And here's Chris Clarke from East Claremont Baptist Church to tell you exactly how you can do this. AUDIENCE AND DR. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: I've got to be involved. LEAD PASTOR.
CLAIREMONT FBC cHRIS CLARKE: We are in the 2-minute warning if this were a football game. We may only win this by one vote-DR. to activate. You can do it close to home and . --and it Tomorrow is the deadline. Second. need to get involved in the church calling campaign if you've not already done so. we need a big push on November the 4th. It's easy. to ProtectMarriageCA.106 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHRIS CLARKE. November the 4th we need 100. Number one. There's still time to do it.000 people to man 20. Go Next. LEAD PASTOR.000 precincts in California to make sure we get the vote out.com to get that information. register. SKYLINE [Interposing] Aren't we in the last day of that? MR. GARLOW. There should be registration formS where you are. register to vote. CLARKE. CLAIREMONT FBC: might be yours. if you're not registered to vote. We only have 15 more days Here's what we need you to do. you So you need to do it tonight.
GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: You are [laughing]-[Interposing] [Applause] Well I'm Do it. to turn out and vote. . GARLOW. Thank you. SKYLINE CHURCH: Now that one's not ProtectMarriageCA in that case but just go to ProtectMarriage. We need to get them Go to ProtectMarriage. LEAD PASTOR. CLARKE.com and register there to be a part of that massive effort. SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay? MR. LEAD PASTOR. CLAIREMONT FBC: correct. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. That's DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] Anything more on it? MR. LEAD PASTOR. Drop the CA off on that one. GARLOW. CLARKE. CLAIREMONT FBC: That's-DR. DR. DR. CLARKE. MR. DR. CLAIREMONT FBC: out of time. LEAD PASTOR.com.107 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you're only going to be seeing people who are going to vote yes. SKYLINE CHURCH: --that you are.
TONY PERKINS: In the United States Capitol Rotunda there's a beautiful painting of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. WASHINGTON. you're considering whether or not to vote in this fall's election. [Applause] [Music] MR.put together by Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council.108 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MODERATOR: . FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL. which established our freedom and led to you and I having the right to vote. 56 men signed this document. TONY PERKINS. Hello I'm If Tony Perkins here in Washington D. PRESIDENT.C. I want to share something with you.C. some of you may be saying you're just simply too busy to vote or you--you're frustrated with politicians or you don't like what's going on in your state's government. D. Well and here in Washington.. the Declaration of Independence. Now the Republican President and the Democratic .
owned. some of which were destroyed. to tell them about the sacrifices made by these 56 men. children or One lost his son in entire families. So please consider Do your civic . honoring their sacrifice. But as you can see freedom is These men and their families paid a dear price so that you and I would have the right to vote. Two wives were brutalized by the British. Several lost wives. all 56 were the subjects of manhunts by the British. during the war. imprisoned and treated harshly. Another had two sons captured. Of the 56 men who decided to take a stand for faith. combat. their wives and their children. not free. 12 signers had their homes seized.109 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Congress have the lowest approval ratings in recent history so some of you may be tempted to show your disdain by not voting. family and freedom with their signature of this Declaration of Independence. Well keep this in mind. 5 were captured. 9 signers died 17 lost everything they Now your kids probably won't learn So you'll have this in the public schools.
If you And haven't been a part of it. LOU ENGLE. And in that article I said we must I've got pray for Prop 22. with people just coming to pray. Vote your values in November. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. talk to us. another one called The Golden Fast. He's the only person I know of who has filled stadiums all around the United States. fast and pray. where we called California to 40-day fasting because of--and after that I ended . Lou. 2003. We're on day 26 of a 40-day fast. 14 of them so far. Qualcomm Stadium. THE CALL LOU ENGLE: I have two articles. [Music] [Applause] DR.110 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 duty. we encourage you to jump in now and go with us because it's going to culminate in a great day. he called this state to a 40-day fast. November 1. SKYLINE CHURCH: Lou Engle has filled stadiums. 15 of them so far. I wrote one in 2000 for California and it's Who Prays for the Judges.
let's change history by appealing to the Supreme Court of Heaven who overrules the Supreme Courts of earth. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Whoa. [Applause. music] DR. LEAD PASTOR.111 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 up warning the Mayor of San Francisco that he would be held accountable for everything he does in this city under the government of God.com.000 people in united fasting and prayer-[Interposing] [Applause] --across MR. [Applause] DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: The Call--go to TheCall. . whoa. journey. across races. you want to be involved. There's a TheCall. lot of information.com. GARLOW.com. whoa. Now I'm in the same--an 8-year I want to see Qualcomm Stadium filled with 70. GARLOW. mobilize and TheCall. TheCall. ENGLE. from 10:00 in the morning to 10:00 at night. THE CALL: denominations. November 1st.com and you can sign up. because we're in a crisis and God's answer in crisis is united fasting and prayer.
GARLOW. MR. Jesus with us. We treasure marriage because Jesus says to. say Jesus. my brother boxes. MR. MILES MCPHERSON: Jesus. Everyone say old guy. We have no idols before us. MCPHERSON: boxing match last night. Say young guy. Go MR. but Jesus is Lord. I was watching a I'm a boxing fan. Jesus. We want to say hello Say Everyone say --about the letter J. cheering] DR. MR. LEAD PASTOR. Miles McPherson. two three. come up here from The Rock Church and talk to us-[Interposing] [Applause. And this boxing match between an old guy and a young guy. . AUDIENCE: Old guy. AUDIENCE: Jesus. MCPHERSON: to everybody out there in TV land. one. MCPHERSON: AUDIENCE: Young guy.112 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We come down to the letter J. it stands for Jesus. Marriage is not an idol. SKYLINE CHURCH: for it. AUDIENCE: Jesus.
knockouts. He says I'm waiting to see how he's going to react when he finds out he's been lied to. I got this And he's real calm. MCPHERSON: I love underdogs. His trainer says it's going to be the first time this guy gets knocked out. MR. [Laughter] MR. MCPHERSON: knocking people out. The young guy has been He's 35 and 0. And they asked the old guy what are He says look. I rooted for the old Say old guy. I'm going to knock him out. MR. AUDIENCE: Young guy. was confident. 30 The young guy is 43-years old and he was at the end of his ca--he's at the end of his career and everyone was betting that he was going to get knocked out for the first time. So they asked the He said MR. what you going to do? I'm going to knock him out. My dad rooted for the young guy. He you going to do? guy figured out. MCPHERSON: young guy. MCPHERSON: And realizes I'm not . everybody say young guy. AUDIENCE: Old guy.113 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 guy.
Jesus. Say Jesus. MCPHERSON: commanded us more than anything else in the whole Bible is not to have fear. Okay so now you Three So what would Jesus tell us? very simple things. MR.114 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 an old man. this is not just marriage. Fear not. know. AUDIENCE: Amen? Amen. The one thing he MR. I'm going to tell you He had something no one else had. bigger than that. say fear not. he thought. fear not. now you It's way AUDIENCE: MR. MCPHERSON: something. 35 and 0. MCPHERSON: know. AUDIENCE: Number one. And he figured something out and he had something no one else had. We also know. We have something that no one else has. this is what the young guy one. don't worry about it. [Laughter] MR. MCPHERSON: Now you know the Devil's strategy is to destroy the church is to destroy marriage. He said I'm still on the . that's Jesus.
MCPHERSON: All you people out All the there that love us. he's not applying for the job..time. we love you. number three. I'm going to wait--wait until I remember it. I got you. number three. And he also said this. it's a spiritual battle. we love you too. Now can I get an amen? AUDIENCE: Amen [applause]. thank you very much. he says this. [Laughter] MR. you fall to temptation. so don't worry. I had you life right now to be You've in this fight just like Esther. Let's make sure we do . you are the right people to be in this fight right now. he's still on the throne and no matter what the devil's doing he's still on the throne. God is still God. MR. been placed here for such a time as this. Love people.115 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 throne. love your neighbor. MCPHERSON: Don't clap on . Pray unless Number two. And number three. I got you. And he also said this. I--this is good news. people out there who hate us. he would say pray. We have to pray.
Very good. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: --no. SKYLINE CHURCH: Hey. LEAD PASTOR. cheering] DR. [Applause. GARLOW. GARLOW. stand for? AUDIENCE: Jesus. SKYLINE CHURCH: Nazareth. LEAD PASTOR. DR. GARLOW. DR.116 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 this in the spirit of love. What's J MR. NAZARETH. MCPHERSON: DR. We've not been given the spirit of fear but the spirit of power. GARLOW. SKYLINE CHURCH: Now we've got all ten of them. SKYLINE CHURCH: [Interposing] [Laughing] NAZARETH. LEAD PASTOR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Where's Vanna? . GARLOW. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: right. LEAD PASTOR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: I'd like to buy a vowel first-[Interposing] [Laughter] Yes. love and a sound mind. all Do you have somebody that can All ten of them. DR. do all ten? NAZARETH. LEAD PASTOR.
--and NAZARETH. DR. LEAD PASTOR. uh. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: the J for? AUDIENCE: Jesus. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Thank you very much-- All DR. GARLOW. NAZARETH. SKYLINE [Interposing] What--what--what's the hand motion to. CHURCH: for-- NAZARETH. I again? NAZARETH. no. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: you stand up young man? [Audience reacting] NAZARETH. So we need to know that. SKYLINE Oh okay 'cause we're--we're--we're The I reporting for duty. the I is The I for salute- NAZARETH.117 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: CHURCH: right. can Yeah-- we--no. the I is for salute of course. DR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Uh. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: is the salute. GARLOW. SKYLINE [Interposing] Oh yes. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: We're reporting for duty to fast and go to the . LEAD PASTOR.
LEAD PASTOR. Okay. What's hand hurt the guy here. SKYLINE CHURCH: Oh okay. A sign NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: [Interposing] J is for Jesus-DR. SKYLINE CHURCH: Okay. NAZARETH. GARLOW. LEAD PASTOR. . GARLOW. yes. SKYLINE CHURCH: cross? NAZARETH. LEAD PASTOR. LEAD PASTOR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: for people watching. DR. GARLOW. You have them all? Okay. [Music starting] Can we go all over them? Okay. LEAD PASTOR. yes hanging on the cross. Number A. Okay. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Let's go back. SKYLINE CHURCH: motion--? NAZARETH. SKYLINE CHURCH: Yeah okay [laughing]. DR. NAZARETH. DR.118 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Qualcomm Stadium. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: --I [Interposing] Oh hanging on the What--what's J. GARLOW. GARLOW. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: Wonderful. DR.
NAZARETH. NAZARETH.119 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 AUDIENCE: Activist judges. Homosexual lifestyle. NAZARETH. E. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Involved. LEAD PASTOR. NAZARETH. And J. G. NAZARETH. SKYLINE CHURCH: Whoa. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Benefits. [Applause] DR. SKYLINE Thank . D. NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Children. B. NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Dads and moms. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Everywhere. F. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: H. C. GARLOW. I. NAZARETH. NAZARETH. NAZARETH. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: God. LEAD PASTOR. GARLOW. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Jesus. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: you so much. DR. CHRISTIAN COMEDIAN: AUDIENCE: Freedom.
go to ProtectMarriageCa. Talk to everybody you can in the next 15 days because 16 days from tonight. applause] DR. LEAD PASTOR. so goes the rest of the nation. GARLOW. GARLOW. [Applause] DR. The first few are for un-church.com. SKYLINE CHURCH: --thank you for being with us. [Cheering] [Music] MR. You can print them out because over the next 15 days. what are you going to do? You're going to talk to everybody. MALE VOICE 4: By the way. ENGLE: God. as .120 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHURCH: Yes. we're going to be celebrating a great victory for God as we protect marriage-[Interposing] [Cheering. the rest are for everybody. SKYLINE CHURCH: In case you can't remember all those. LEAD PASTOR. as California goes. Thank you for being with us. click on resources and there's the ABC's all for you.
ENGLE. [Music] MR. A battle to save the very sanctity of marriage. THE CALL: We're calling the whole nation to 40 days of prayer and fasting for California culminating in a day of humility. [Cheering] MR. A confrontation between light and darkness will happen this November. Cry Where there is no human remedy. IN THE BACKGROUND: MR. cleansing. out to God for the deliverance of the homosexual. for the salvation of their lives. to the victor goes the souls of the nation. Where there is no hope. ENGLE. like no other. for the love of God to be poured out over their hearts. Jesus' name. God still has a holy prescription. so goes the nation. THE CALL: Jesus. THE CALL: This State has We dare to believe in .121 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 California. Let the whole A day of battle nation raise up massive praying hands for a wave of freedom and deliverance the State has never seen. ENGLE.
back the flood. God send us another Jesus movement. hold God release a wave of revival to shape the future of the State and the future of America. sound a voice. coming to America again. Love. thunder] FEMALE VOICE SINGING: God he will Lord we believe. On November 1st. hear the sound of voice-[Interposing] [Applause] [END VOB] . we will take our stand with tens of thousands of our brothers and sisters in united massive fasting and prayer at Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego. [Music. God restrain. crying God have mercy.122 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 seen wave after wave after wave of revival that has swept its shores for 100 years.
C E R T I F I C A T E . nor am I in the employ of the counsel. Springate______ Date: _____December 16. certify that the foregoing transcript is a true record of said video recording. Laura L. that I am not connected by blood or marriage with any of the parties herein nor interested directly or indirectly in the matter in controversy.123 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Signature: ____Laura L. Springate. 2009__________ I.
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