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CAPUTO: Steroid abuse should keep players out of Hall of Fame
Finally, a direct link between Craig Biggio and (When reporting a broken link, please provide url for the page where you found the link) steroids!
Repoz Posted: December 01, 2012 at 07:26 PM | 38 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.1. Bob Tufts Posted: December 01, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4314251)
Guilt by association!2. John Northey Posted: December 01, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4314261)
Well, since the author is Italian, he must have knowledge of organized crime families and that drug crimes were committed.
So I must value his rumor mongering as if it were fact.
I do like that he is consistent - saying that he won't vote for any of those he suspects - and that he admits to being one of the many, many writers at fault in the late 90's who ignored the massive evidence of PED use (especially steroids). Those items I can respect, plus being the first writer I can recall who points out how silly it is to ignore Biggio when he played with, trained with, and spent lots of time with known users (Pettitte, Caminiti) and suspected ones (Clemens & Bagwell). Remember, PED use is high in sports where they don't look like Arnold - cycling, sprinting, etc.3. The District Attorney Posted: December 01, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4314269)
In the end I disagree though, as PED were pretty much a staple of MLB for decades and use of the 'strong stuff' like steroids was known in the late 80's yet no one cared until the 2000's. I'm positive a few steroid/PED guys are already in (Puckett seems a very likely one for example) and more will get in as otherwise you have to leave out so many all-time greats it gets silly - Clemens, Bonds, A-Rod for example in addition to Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Piazza, Bagwell, and now Biggio - after all, if you suspect they might have then you have to not vote for them.
since the author is Italian, he must have knowledge of organized crime families and that drug crimes were committed.Look, the BBWAA guys, they promised me a deal. So I made up a lot of stuff about Craig Biggio 'cause that's what they wanted. But it was all lies... everything. And they kept saying "Craig Biggio did this and Craig Biggio did that." So I said "yeah, sure, why not?"
but to me neither is necessarily worthy of early Hall of Fame induction anyway, especially Biggio, whose career OPS was barely higher than that of Lou Whitaker, who didn't even get the 5 percent necessary to stay on the ballot for more than a year.5. phredbird Posted: December 01, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4314311)
Just..just...ahhh the hell with it. Lost cause.
#3 primey.6. RMc's Got a Lot of Trouble at Stake Posted: December 01, 2012 at 11:33 PM (#4314373)
...and as your president, my first act will be to ban stupid people from voting for the Hall of Fame. Thank you!7. Walt Davis Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:25 AM (#4314406)
Pettitte joined the Astros in 2004. That was Jeff Bagwell's last decent year and next-to-last year altogether. 2004 and 2005 (when Clemens joined) were Biggio's last two decent years. He was 38 when Pettitte joined and had been a solid but not specatcular player since 1998.8. The District Attorney Posted: December 02, 2012 at 12:28 AM (#4314407)
In short, that Pettitte, Clemens, Biggio and Bagwell were teammates is ZERO evidence that any of them did PEDs. I mean, sure, Caminiti came up at the same time as Biggio and was established by the time Bagwell arrived so, sure, it's plausible that he shared his knowledge and experience with the two B's. But we're to believe that B&B were seduced by P&C (or vice versa) at age 38 to try these things for the first time? The 33-year-old Dave Parker crossed paths with the 43-year-old Pete Rose so I can only assume that Parker introduced Rose to coke and Rose gave Parker a lifetime gambling problem.
At least he mentioned Pettitte used, unlike most writers...9. base ball chick Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:27 AM (#4314421)
clemens also joined the astros in 0410. Dale Sams Posted: December 02, 2012 at 02:45 AM (#4314434)
and bagwell was in serious pain all year from his bad shoulder - it was really his last year. to suggest that roger turned him onto drugs that year is beyond maroon deluxe.
caminiti didn't start shooting roids until AFTER he left the astros and baggy and biggio had already kind of stopped being close friends with him because of his out of control alcoholism. how this turned bagwell onto steroids 5 years earlier i do not know.
the whole thing is beyond stupid.
now it certainly is possible that bagwell or biggio or moises alou or raul chavez or roy oswalt or wade miller or shane reynolds or lance berkman or brad ausmus was shooting up. but i'd like a little PROOF besides - well, he knows drug user/suspected drug user X
but to me neither is necessarily worthy of early Hall of Fame induction anyway, especially Biggio, whose career OPS was barely higher than that of Lou Whitaker, who didn't even get the 5 percent necessary to stay on the ballot for more than a year.
And Bagwell's OPS?
Sweet Lou's Baseball-ref page comment is hilarious though.
I have a lot of sympathy for the voters in some respects. It is understandable to not want to water down the HOF with cheats - it merely diminishes the standing of players who didn't use PED by choice or by accident of birth. I really cannot believe anyone puts 73 on the same level as 61 or 60. Sure 73 belongs with 70 but both are artificial. End of the day, I would side with the views expressed by this writer, but the reality is that finding 100% consistency is pointless, unless of course you are a fan of anything goes.12. Walt Davis Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:31 AM (#4314444)
Brandon Duckworth is happy to know he's in the clear.13. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: December 02, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4314505)
Didn't Barry get caught using amphetamines, but as it was his first offense, there was no punishment? What year was that?14. John Northey Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4314594)
To say if a player lasted most of their career without using PED's that they wouldn't consider it near the end seems foolish to me. Pro-athletes rarely quit while they have stuff in the tank. They tend to want to play forever - part of the competitive spirit that got them where they are. If you go up to a guy who is near the end and tell him if he tries this stuff it'll let him play another 5 years at the top levels, or at least make it possible, don't you think most pro's would try it?15. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4314603)
Saying Biggio and Bagwell would've ignored how good Clemens was at an advanced age when they were in decline seems naive. Checking Biggio's stats I see 3 years out of 4 with sub-100 OPS+, then 2 years over it starting in 2004 when Clemens arrived with his 2 highest home run totals, then he was 1 shy of his 3rd highest HR total the next year. Could be a co-incidence. Bagwell, on the other hand, continued a steady decline in 2004 and 2005 before retiring. Looking at that one would think it wasn't Bagwell one should be suspicious of, but Biggio.
In the end all this PED hunting is going to get is a lot of people accused and still having people in the HOF who are 'cheats' - from spitballers to PED'ers.
All these frickin Puritans. Selig was practically selling the stuff. No asterisks, no black lists let the stats speak. Anyone who calls these players out for cheating is lying to themselves. This was a culture, an era - if it was one or two superstars who had access due to their money and stature that would be one thing but we all know more than half the league was using PED's. Team doctors and trainers knew. Selig and the owners knew. And if they knew, it ain't cheating. These guys are nothing if not rabid competitors, you really expect Barry to watch McGwire assault record books being half the hitter he is?16. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:34 PM (#4314608)
Hey, don't chicks love the long ball? Who cares about Greg Maddux, right? One of the top 10 pitchers of all time - we want HR's!
McGwire had Andro visible in his locker, I remember they sold that stuff over the counter. Give me a break.
And that's my opinion on the Matter.
(And believe me, I'd love to see Yaz's career totals with a modern PED regiment)
Biggio extra base hits per at bat. I'd like to know where the mysterious spike is. They moved to the juice box in 2000 and it dropped precipitously. He must've stopped roiding that year and started the next.17. The District Attorney Posted: December 02, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4314610)
Year EHB/AB
1988 12.30
1989 12.31
1990 18.50
1991 17.61
1992 14.95
1993 9.10
1994 7.95
1995 10.24
1996 14.07
1997 9.24
1998 8.85
1999 8.88
2000 14.50
2001 10.64
2002 10.69
2003 10.30
2004 8.92
2005 8.81
2006 10.15
2007 11.75
They moved to the juice box in 2000They did?? Case closed, then.
They moved to the juice box in 2000
Actually, it was called Enron Field at that time. And we all know that the "juiced" financial statements at Enron and other companies that brought down the entire economy is a far more serious matter than guessing if someone used steroids and may someday gain access to the HOF.
john northey20. BDC Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4314673)
bagwell had to stop lifting weights in, i think, 02 because his shoulder was already going bad. he could barely throw 3/4 of the way to 2nd base by 03. he had already lost size BEFORE they started drug testing. he tried changing his stance/swing before the 05 season and by then, his arms, shoulders were clearly smaller. he CERTAINLY wasn't using roids to increase his muscle size - and if he did, they sure as heck didn't do that.
makes NO sense that he would STOP using steroids in 02 then for some reason, start again AFTER roger clemens got there.
clemens was an obvious threat to biggio's emperor throne in the clubhouse and they weren't exactly friendly and i SERIOUSLY disbelieve that clemens would have suggested to biggio that biggio shoot up.
in case you disremember, gary gaetti was the new hitting coach in 04 - he got biggio to drop his leg kick and to pull EVERYTHING and so biggio got a LOT of doubles onto the LF corner and a LOT of el-cheapo homers into the crawford boxes. he wasn't going opposite field into the RF bullpen or hitting triples 430' onto the Hill.
Axiom of steroid discussions: it is impossible to infer from stat lines alone when a player started or stopped using PEDs. I mean, I say "axiom," in an oughta-be way, but it's clear that a lot of people (not here, but in the general discourse) either don't accept that as axiomatic – or believe its polar opposite.21. base ball chick Posted: December 02, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4314674)
bob22. John Northey Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4314692)
who cares about a couple of lying execs faking stock statements? stock schmok.
we're talking about The Sacred Home Run Record here!!! the EVULLL guys who had their buttocks injected with big syringes BY OTHER MEN!!! and destroyed the formerly innocent pasttime which was free of drug use before!!!!!
base ball chick: I know very little of the Astros of that time frame, but was just going by the stats and what I vaguely recalled. The idea being that if you are looking for smoking guns then a guy having career highs in HR right before the end of his career (Biggio) is a lot bigger warning sign than a guy who saw his stats drop steadily near the end (Bagwell). None-the-less, it is interesting to hear that Biggio wasn't a big booster of Clemens.23. Suff Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4314702)
As to Bagwell overall, if he used then odds are he'd have used throughout his career. The only big spike I noticed was 1994 and that could've been one of those fluke career years all players get. Nothing like we see in Bonds (massive peak in late 30's) or Sosa (60+ HR from a guy viewed as mediocre before). If you are a writer who is on a witch hunt Bagwell doesn't jump out as a candidate to me, but Biggio with the late power surge raises an eyebrow. Still, if I voted I'd just ignore it all and vote for the best guys and put a slight downgrade if they were caught (Palmeiro for example). I'd probably vote a lot like WAR lists them with the exception for guys I go 'really?' to like Lofton (never thought of him as HOF good) and put Biggio on the ballot instead (Biggio ranks 11th in WAR among HOF candidates this year - now that is crazy deep).
This is fun...24. Repoz Posted: December 02, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4314709)
I can cast plausible (by this writer's standards) suspicion on everyone inducted who retired in 1993 or later...
Barry Larkin: Huge power spike at age 32. And to me he looks like he put on a lot of muscle between here and here
Roberto Alomar: Developed power later in his career. Teammates with Rafael Palmeiro. Roid rage.
Andre Dawson: Huge, flukey power season at age 32. Suddenly able to stay on the field more from that season to age 37 than he had the previous three seasons.
Rickey Henderson: Do I even need to make a case? Stole 66 bases at age 39. Teammates with Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire. Developed power later in his career. Played until he was 44. Does this look natural?
Tony Gwynn: Skills never declined. Teammates with Ken Caminiti. Top two HR seasons the two years after Caminiti's MVP season, at ages 37 and 38.
Cal Ripken: Do you think he satyed healthy and recovered quickly with Wheaties? Don't be so naive. Teammates with Rafael Palmeiro.
Wade Boggs: Power surge at ages 36-37 seasons. When you Google "Wade Boggs body," you get this, so there must be some connection.
Ryne Sandberg: A 2B who suddenly leads the league in HR at age 30? Something smells fishy.
Dennis Eckersley: Suddenly becomes extraordinarily healthy and effective after joining the Tony LaRussa/Jose Canseco/Mark McGwire A's, all after age 33.
Paul Molitor: Much, much more healthy and effective and powerful after age 30 than before. Turned into an easy Hall of Famer because he was a great older player, even in his late 30's.
Eddie Murray: Maintained steady production throughout his 30s. Had a bounceback year (hitting .323 with a 129 OPS+) at age 39, while he was teammates with Albert Belle (who we all know was also a juicer... just look at him!). Also long-time teammate with Cal Ripken, who we have already established was probably a user.
Ozzie Smith: Suddenly learned to hit after age 30. Was still stealing 40+ bases in his late 30s.
Kirby Puckett: 4 HR in his first 1327 plate appearances, then suddenly 31 the next year and averaged 20+ HR per season after that. He was much scrawnier as a rookie than in his prime. His anger issues led to problems with the law.
Dave Winfield: Lost his age 37 year to injury and came back to resume his career norms into his 40s. 'Roids/HGH in the rehab?
Carlton Fisk: A known workout fanatic. Hit more HR from age 34-43 (203 HR) than he did from 24-33 (167), including 19 HR in just 253 AB at age 40 (155 OPS+).
George Brett: Intense competitor known to do anything to get an edge. Won a batting title at age 37. Teammates with Bo Jackson and Danny Tartabull... they had to use steroids to look like that, right?
Robin Yount: Teammates with (now) established PED user Paul Molitor, enjoying a "second prime" in his 30s about the same time Paul Molitor turned his career around...
Nolan Ryan: Had a remarkable run of success as a power pitcher in his mid-40s, under the tutelage of pitching coach--and admitted steroid user--Tom House, with whom he wrote a book about pitching training routines, no doubt leaving out the "secret ingredient."
Blimey...now there's a Primey!25. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 02, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4314729)
Or a mighty fart in the wind.26. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: December 02, 2012 at 06:54 PM (#4314744)
Boggs was teammates with Jose Canseco and Andy Pettitte--automatic roider!27. vivaelpujols Posted: December 02, 2012 at 07:45 PM (#4314759)
#2328. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4314783)
Yeah I was thinking that this article almost sounds like a modest proposal type deal. If you take steroids suspicion to the extreme there is no one who you can say for sure didn't take steroids and there is little separating a guy like Bagwell and a guy like Jeter (Jeter had the second best season of his career at age 35). This might force writers to examine their processes and realize that you can either not have anyone from the steroids ERA make the hall or you can re-evaluate how you feel about steroids, or at the very least steroid suspicion without proof.
Hank Aaron:29. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:46 PM (#4314784)
career high SLG at 37
career high OPS at 37
career high HR at 37
2nd highest SLG at 39
2nd highest OPS at 39
Willie Mays:30. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4314785)
Career high HR at 34
Career high OPS+ at 34
Ty Cobb:31. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4314788)
Career high HR at 34 and 38
2nd highest SLG at 38
2nd highest OPS at 38
Tris Speaker:32. Dale Sams Posted: December 02, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4314832)
High HR at 35
2nd HR at 37
3rd HR at 34
High SLG at 35
2nd SLG at 34
3rd SLG at 37
I could do this #### all night.
There are almost certainly steroid users actually in #23.33. McCoy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 09:48 PM (#4314838)
So only if you abuse them then? Does having a beer qualify as abusing alcohol?34. McCoy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4314839)
There are almost certainly steroid users actually in #23.35. Dale Sams Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4314894)
If I had to guess I'd say Nolan Ryan and Carlton Fisk were the two most likely steroid users in that group.
If I had to pick two, it would be Ryan and Henderson.36. calhounite Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:34 PM (#4314917)
Wouldn't think any particular reason to associate Biggio with steroids. Didn't need them for what he was trying to do.37. smileyy Posted: December 02, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4314920)
Probably the most skewed stadium in mlb is Houston. Namely the Crawford boxes. It's like Fenway without the wall.
Biggio was real good at one thing. Most right handed hitters couldn't adapt without ruining their swing, but Biggio could. Popped a lot of flys into that box.
Heck, even Backe, a pitcher for Houston, called them the Biggio Boxes.
The headline had me hoping that CAPUTO was some sort of replacement or competitor for PECOTA.38. Walt Davis Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4315379)
#36 ... for his career, Biggio hit more HR on the road than at home. In his last 3 seasons in the Dome, he hit 58 HR in 2231 PA (1 per 38 PA) while in his first 3 seasons in the new park he hit 43 HR in 1838 PA (1 per 43 PA) -- those are season totals, not H/R splits. It was only in his last 3 seasons when he had extreme splits (41/16).
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Op-Ed: Unhappily religion and politics are a required mix in the U.S.
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Sep 30, 2012 in
The notion that societies should separate their religions from their politics has been around awhile. For the most part, in countries around the world, it seems that more and more fewer and fewer of their citizens are having any problem with secularism.
That is not the case in the United States and the 2012 election that country is engaged in is a case in point. Faith is mentioned repeatedly by all candidates and for a candidate to win any government position without proclaiming long and hard how deeply rooted their faith is would be a virtual impossibility. Further, it seems that the 'right' kind of faith, the Christian faith, is required.
Politics and Religion: Election mix in U.S.
What other countries, in particular in the West such as Canada and the U.K., are now
is that politics can, and should be, conducted without the interference of an institutionalized God. It's a simple enough notion that, again, is hardly new, and it doesn't suggest a lack of respect for faith in a God or a lack of respect for any particular religion. It acknowledges the obvious, that one can believe or not believe, worship or not worship, adhere to one faith or another, and still be an effective and moral human, and politician.
Why do you so many in the U.S., often a leader in the world in accepting new manners of looking at how we co-exist, need their faith
in their political candidates? It may be a secular country officially but not so in practice. Wanting others to respect your beliefs is one thing, but needing them to believe the same thing is another. America joins a list of other countries, many Muslim, as we've recently seen dramatic evidence of in riots surrounding the
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which cruelly criticizes their faith, that can be said to be intolerant of people of other faiths.
Tea Party: Our faith or else
Even without the recent rise of the
Tea Party
in America, if Barack Obama or Mitt Romney were to say they did not go to church they would destroy all hope of election. But since the party, lead by Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich, religion has made itself more entrenched in American politics. The Tea Party is a homogenized group of uber-Christians, arguably motivated by fear, unable to accept those who not believe as they do. They do not help their country move forward into a modern, pluralistic world, but backwards into a jingoistic and intolerant one.
Faith is not that which makes a man or woman good or not good. The goodness of someone, as simply a human or a politician, is about their degree of care for others, their integrity and sense of fair play, that along with leadership skills, intelligence and grasp of moral, economic and other issues. Can't one excel in any or all of those areas as a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew or member of any faith? Or as an agnostic or atheist?
Any country insisting leaders and politicians be among only one of those categories is increasing their likelihood of not getting the best person for the job and depriving itself of a manner of looking at and doing things that could benefit their society. The best choice is to accept your fellow human and recognize that we all have something to offer.
Unless we show otherwise, we are all worthy of one another's faith.
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Ten Fat Turkeys
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Click on the book cover to get the patterns for 7 of the animals teeth for opinion writing and craft.
a whole youtube channel where classic childrens stories are read outloud.
Caps for Sale Read Aloud Video. This book is so fun and the voices in this video are great.
Comparing The Three Little Pigs and The True Story of the Three Little Pigs- This folktale unit was created for use with The True Story of the Three Little Pigs by Jon Scieszka and a more traditional retelling of The Three Little Pigs. It contains twelve comprehension strips with recording sheets, a compare and contrast writing activity with a graphic organizer, a summary writing activity for The Three Little Pigs, and creative writing prompts. $ #folktales #commoncore
Mo Willems' Pigeon Pumpkin
Making Words Lesson (Sorting Sample) Looks like fun!
If you take a mouse to school writing and art activity.
water bottle bottoms: snowflakes Très joli. :-)
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Old Lady who swallowed a fly
Nice Try, Tooth Fairy by Mary Olson
Hey, Little Ant- Opinion Writing Idea To squish, or not to squish an ant
Click, Clack Moo: Write a Friendly Letter to Farmer Brown I HAVE THIS BOOK UPSTAIRS IN MY BOOK SHELF. WHAT IS LIFE.
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"Interesting, Dark, Some Implausibility Involved"
I listen to many audiobooks, and this one was okay. I found the denouement a bit disappointing. It seemed implausible to me, but if you aren't pressed for time and you are interested in the abduction genre, you might enjoy this listen.
"Pleasantly surprised"
A great combination of a narrator that makes a good story come alive. Seems like a cousin of a Gillian Flynn novel
Ann B.
"Hands down one of my top 5 fave books this year!"
I purchased this book thinking that I was getting another story about an Alpha male that starts out psycho and winds up with redeeming qualities that make the reader and the heroine fall for him by the end. No. That is not what this book is. What it is is a physiological roller coaster that leads you in a direction you THINK you know, but winds up slapping your face with a left turn. There is no fluff here. No romance and no flowers. What there is is a gut wrenching story that is so detailed it is easily imagined to be based on a true story.
There are few books that I have read in my lifetime.... and I have read ALOT of books.... that elicit an physical, emotional reaction. This is one of those books.
I began my love of audio books when life got so busy I had no time to read. I was driving a lot and running errands, cleaning, DIY projects. And my audio book player soon became as common to see on my hip as my cell phone. Today as I listened to this one, I was hanging towel rods in my bathroom. It took me far longer to get the project done than it should have. It took longer because repeatedly I found myself frozen, staring into space with the drill held in my hand. My inner eye on the scene that was happening in the book. I stood in my bathroom, towel rod hanging from one fastener as tears rolled down my face. (those that have listened to/read it would know what part I was at in the book at this point. Those that haven't, I wont ruin it for you. You'll know when you get to the part.) I had to set the drill down, leave the towel rod hanging and gather myself together. My heart broke for Ann. And my hatred for "Him" grew. Twice. Twice in one book.. I found myself crying. If you are reading this with the intention of buying this story, make sure you have tissues handy. If you have already read it.... *Mental hug and commiserating nods with sniffles inserted here*.
If you are looking for a story that spares no detail, that takes you on a ride you think you know but find out you had no idea.. If you are looking for a story that wakes the emotions, stokes interest and leaves you with a lasting impression... THIS is the story for you.
If you are looking for a hot Alpha male story with a fluffy ending.. this is NOT that story. And for once, I encourage you to leave the fluff behind and experience this book. It's not an easy story to listen to/read. There are times when it's almost too painful. But the talent that lay in the pages is well worth the wild ride it will take you on.
Note to the Author: I have written several short stories over the years. I have published a story in a popular book. I have began writing my first full length novel. And I have to say, I can only pray that I have a fraction of the talent trapped in my mind that you've poured into these pages. Thank you for the ride. I rarely leave feedback on Audible. I'm usually just too busy and intend to catch up one of these days. As this one ended.. I had to halt what I was doing and leave feedback immediately.
Note to the Narrator: You did an absolutely phenomenal job on the narration. The distinct differences in the inflection of your voice kept the characters alive. And the delivery kept the suspense just where it was supposed to be. In the "Hollow" moments, I could hear that in your voice and it put the story into perspective in my mind. The heart wrenching moments were made all the more so by the tone and delivery. Awesome job!
PLEASE do not read further if you have not read the book and don't want spoilers ruining it for you!!! *I have to voice a warning about triggers. But I don't want to ruin it for those that have none. So if you have certain triggers, You may want to scroll down.
*post note* There are triggers in this story for survivors of several atrocities. If the following situations trigger a PTSD response for you you may want to beware:
Sexual Assault
Death of a child
Painfully real and detailed look at living with a disturbed kidnapper.. A surprise and shocking ending. Great book that lingers in the mind days after the last page is turned.
"engaging mystery"
This mystery-thriller is told as a first person narrative by a woman who was abducted. Each chapter is a one-sided session with a psychiatrist, where Annie, the abductee, does all the talking. The start was compelling, and reminded me of Room (but the start of Room was better). When the story shifted more to the aftermath of Annie's return, the novel reminded me of Prince of Tides, with lots of background on Annie's dysfunctional family (but Prince of Tides was better, with more interesting secondary characters). Unlike Room, which faded in the second half, Still Missing gets better as it shifts to a who-dunnit and post-trauma story. This is not a great novel, but it did manage to keep my interest throughout. A good reader made it easy to listen to, even the parts that were "hard to listen to." Annie calls her abductor "The Freak," and describes many rape scenes in numbing detail, so you should be aware of what you are in for before starting. The protagonist's humanity and strength made it easier to listen to those tough parts.
"Awesome & There is a twist"
Yes , this story is so good and the narrator done a awesome job , it pulls you in ,and is soo good.
A little alike Gone Girl ,its done very well , but I like this story better.
Annie & the Freak ,
Yes, I finished it at home after everyone was gone to bed
its worth a credit , and very good
"Very Difficult to Read as a Mother of a Baby Girl"
The performance was great. I finished this book a couple of days ago and it has still stayed with me. The writing was good and convincing.
The most memorable were the heartwrenching ones. I'd hesitate to describe any because I don't want to spoil the book.
The main character.
Yes. I actually had to Google a summary because I needed to know what happened with one particular thing. The anticipation was distressing.
I do not recommend this book for anyone who has an overabundance of empathy, particularly if you are a mother. It might have been an easier read for me prior to having my daughter.
It's strange because I regret listening to this, even though it was well written. It was just too much to listen to as a mom of a baby girl.
"Great read, disappointing ending"
The look inside the experience and mind of someone who has been abducted.
Room by Emily Donahue.
Also this novel takes place on Vancouver Island involving a realtor who is abducted. There is a real life story of a realtor on Vancouver Island who was murdered at a home she was showing. That was a bit eerie.
Not in one sitting, it's pretty long. I listened to it every day though until complete!
I didn't love the ending where you find out who was responsible for the abduction. It would have been better if it was just random or if the abductor had chosen the woman at random. Makes it less sensational and more authentic.
"Don't start until you've got the time to finish"
Wow! This book was riveting; disturbing, hardbreaking, nightmare- and anguish- inducing.
I can't quite remember how I stumbled upon this book, perhaps it was recommended after I'd bought Abducted, another harrowing story of kidnapping and torture, but I'm so glad I purchased it.
I started it last night and stopped only to sleep, finishing it today. I couldn't wait to hear the whole awful story, which felt so much like a true crime story, I found myself feeling almost guilty at times for being so enthralled in Annie's journey.
I was skeptical of the author's design of using one-sided therapy sessions to relay the story, but she did it with it skill, and this allowed her to unfold the story of both the kidnapping and the aftermath through the main character's eyes. While I think it would have been fine to include the therapist's interaction, (as in The Silver Linings Playbook), doing it in a one-sided fashion emphasized the character's feeling of being all alone in her ordeal and her recovery.
This book is not for the faint of heart; if you're looking for a light read, this isn't it. It is dark and sad but ends on a hopeful note.
I liked the ending; I didn't find it to be a cliffhanger or a set up for "book 2" in the trend of trilogies, but I'd happily purchase another book by this author, especially if it were a continuation of Annie's story.
Lastly, the narration was spot-on. I've heard other books by Dawe and I didn't even recognize her voice in this one; she did a great job evoking the characters, particularly Annie. Fantastic.
Highly recommended!
It kept me interested. Looked forward to the drive to the office!
I loved her! She did a fabulous job!!


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This review is from: Hannibal - Season 1 [Blu-ray] [2013] (Blu-ray)
There is no doubting the quality of this series, it was compulsive viewing and without the adverts you can see the quality of the storytelling, each episode is a tight well made package.
The Blu Ray release however is a let down, none of the extras from the US edition make it onto these discs, we are left with two five minute TV spots which left me disappointed as I was looking forward to commentary tracks and behind the scenes features.
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Initial post: 28 Jun 2014 12:47:56 BDT
Do you have the US edition?
In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2014 13:23:07 BDT
Hi G.
I've been toying with getting the region 1 DVD but the US Blu Ray is locked to region A so I've not got it.
But the extras are listed as:
Disc One
Aperitif - Audio Commentary with Bryan Fuller, David Slade and Hugh Dancy. This is nicely conversational but also quite informative, especially with regard to some of the filming techniques. Slade and Dancy are quite dryly humorous here (Slade compliments one of the "dead" people in the episode by saying she was one of the best corpses he's ever worked with.
Pilot Episode Storyboards (1080p)
Disc Two
Hannibal Reborn (1080p; 11:12) is a rather interesting piece about the development of the series, including interviews with Martha De Laurentiis, the Executive Producer.
A Taste for Killing (1080p; 14:46) is a kind of funny piece about the cannibalistic subtext of the character.
Gag Reel (1080p; 4:56) is an infelicitously placed supplement, coming after the one above.
Disc Three
Savoreux - Audio Commentary with Bryan Fuller, David Slade and Hugh Dancy. This is in much the same vein (sorry) as the first commentary, nicely balanced between kind of geeky technical aspects and more anecdotal reminiscences.
A Symphony for the Slaughter (1080p; 11:32) focuses on Brian Reitzell, the series' composer.
The FX of Murder (1080p; 14:23) looks at the series' design elements and special effects.
Will and Alana - Deleted Scene (1080p; 3:00)
Note: Though they're not officially listed as supplements, this three disc set also includes one episode that never aired as well as "Producer's Cut" versions of five others.
From here: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hannibal-Se
In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2014 15:09:03 BDT
Thank you so much! Yes, I can get the region edition but my dilema is it would have to be the DVD edition. I have a multi region DVD player but my Bluray is locked to region 2. So, do I get the inferior UK Blu-ray or the superior US DVD?
In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2014 15:54:50 BDT
I've been hanging on getting the R1 DVD version too, it's currently less than �10 on Amazon.com so I think I'll take the plunge and get it now. The RB Blu Ray is very good image quality wise and I think I'd have got it regardless because of that!!
Currently Season 2's Blu Ray pre-order is listed as region free on here, I hope to god that's correct and it's the same release worldwide. Also I've not checked YouTube to see if the extras from the US edition are on there......
In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2014 15:59:27 BDT
Last edited by the author on 28 Jun 2014 16:00:12 BDT
The RB blu-ray? You mean region 2?
In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2014 16:06:16 BDT
Sorry all these different region codes get a bit confusing: the UK region for Blu Ray is region B and the US region for Blu Ray is A.
I've got the region B Blu Ray and I'm thinking of getting the region 1 DVD for the extras.
In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2014 16:10:37 BDT
I understand now, thank you. Yes, it is tempting just to get both! Do you know if the UK blu-ray is uncut? I the US editions are.
In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2014 16:23:13 BDT
According to the BBFC thy are not cut (it looks like they viewed the DVD release hence 4 discs instead of three):
Disc 1: http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/hannibal-v
Disc 2: http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/hannibal-v
Disc 3: http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/hannibal-v
Disc 4: http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/hannibal-v
In reply to an earlier post on 28 Jun 2014 16:33:16 BDT
You are a star! Thank you so much for all the information, I really appreciate it.
In reply to an earlier post on 29 Jun 2014 19:26:12 BDT
No probs at all :-)
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Just got my latest issue of YJ, yesterday, Sunday, and paged through it along with the far less-easy-to-read-in-the-tub Sunday Times. More photos of the mag cover at bottom.
From her site, FaithHunter.com:
Faith is a Washington, DC based yoga instructor who has a passion for beauty, movement, love, and soul freedom. In her quest to share her passions and eclectic yoga teaching style, Faith incorporates her Louisiana upbringing, yoga philosophy, modern mystical sounds, and the purity of breath. As a nurturing instructor, Faith infuses the principles of shraddha (faith), ishvarapranidhana (surrendering to the Divine), nada (sound), and ashima (endless/without boundaries) into each class. She has been called "Spiritually Fly" as she invokes the Divine in her teachings, and each day she encourages her classes to embrace life with passion! Faith is also the co-owner of SHAKTI MindBody Studio located in Washington, DC, the Director of the Shakti Yoga Teacher Training Program, freelance writer, and a yoga podcaster.
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From his Twitter fight with comedienne/producer Jenny Johnson.
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Peanut Butter Stuffed Prunes
Total Time
Prep 15 mins
Cook 0 mins
This simple recipe is a popular party treat in the Caribbean. I found this recipe on a Caribbean food blog.
Ingredients Nutrition
- 24 pitted prunes
- 1⁄4 cup peanut butter
- Cut a one inch slit in each prune and stuff with 1/2 teaspoon of peanut butter. Chill in refrigerator to allow to firm up a little. These can be made a couple of days in advance and kept chilled until you need them.
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Nice little snack. I used creamy peanut butter and made 2 prunes. Made for ZWT#9 2013 by a fellow team member of Hot Stuff!