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Alcoholics Anonymous
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Is Not Human
To: "Positive Atheism" <firstname.lastname@example.com>
Subject: Positive_Atheism_Letters_Section
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 8:18 PM
Dear Cliff:
The person who sent you the 'apeman' letter is not human himself in my opinion. He would not be tolerated at the NA meeting I go to. It is unfortunate that there are those kinds of people in this world. I myself have been attacked in a similar fashion. It was done more discreetly but the end result was similar. I hope you are doing well. Although I don't agree with most of what you believe I do read much of it so that I can understand what and how other people feel and believe. I do end up modifying my own beliefs by what I learn and understand.
From: "Positive Atheism" <email@example.com>
To: Barry
Subject: Re: Positive_Atheism_Letters_Section
Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:34 PM
I remember you! I still have some of those old online mud-slinging sessions posted in Recovery Watch, especially: "You Don't Grant the Same Consideration to Other Paths"; "Same Playing Field: Censorship vs. Orwellian Steptalk"; "Name-Calling, Mud-Slinging, and AA-Bashing."
Almost all the attacks I endured in the Twelve Step programs were discreet. After enduring enough of them, though, I had been driven out of the program many times over. That was the reason I was willing to check out Rational Recovery when I heard about it. (I wouldn't have been interested had I been happy, now would I?)
Now, after twelve years, I have embarked upon a method of moderation based loosely on the way the Europeans (particularly the British) approach heavy drinking. So far, I've done well.
I did investigate Audrey Kishline's "Moderation Management" several years ago, and found it to be very wanting when it comes to both method and technique. It was more about letting people know that moderation is possible than it was about finding out if your are a candidate and, if so, how to pull it off -- and what signs to look for when trouble's a-brewin'.
Unfortunately, Kishline was convicted last week of two counts of vehicular manslaughter. I concur with Jeff Schaler's opinion that anybody who kills someone while drunk is fully culpable for those deaths.
Cliff Walker
"Positive Atheism" Magazine
Material by Cliff Walker (including unsigned editorial commentary) is copyright ©1995-2006 by Cliff Walker. Each submission is copyrighted by its writer, who retains control of the work except that by submitting it to Positive Atheism, permission has been granted to use the material or an edited version: (1) on the Positive Atheism web site; (2) in Positive Atheism Magazine; (3) in subsequent works controlled by Cliff Walker or Positive Atheism Magazine (including published or posted compilations). Excerpts not exceeding 500 words are allowed provided the proper copyright notice is affixed. Other use requires permission; Positive Atheism will work to protect the rights of all who submit their writings to us.

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Disease Proof
Ineffective Anti-Cancer Remedies: Coffee Enemas
The coffee enemas of the Gerson or Gonzolez cancer protocols are examples of treatments that have no documented benefits. While these programs offer patients a diet rich in vegetable juices and healthful organic foods, they also offer a smorgasbord of therapies that have not shown any benefits for cancer patients.
According to Gonzalez, cancerous tumors are collections of abnormal cells. So when therapy causes cell breakdown (necrosis),abnormal molecules of tumor waste are released into the blood, filtered and detoxified by the liver, and excreted through the bile ducts from the liver to the small intestine. The walls of the bile ducts are composed of smooth muscle that caffeine in coffee causes to relax, allowing ducts to "open wide," allowing tumor toxins to pass into the small bowel.
Gonzalez's explanation sounds scientific, but it is inaccurate. First of all, cancer cells are not in themselves toxic. They are harmful to the body because they multiply in a rapid and uncontrolled fashion. When cells die, whether cancerous or not, they do not overwhelm the body with toxins. But even if they did, toxins are excreted directly into the blood from the liver; they do not traverse the bile ducts.
Caffeinated beverages delivered rectally are not health-supporting and cannot detoxify your body any more effectively than rinsing your mouth with them and then spitting them out. At least two deaths have been linked to coffee enemas, attributed to hyponatremia and dehydration. There is also a risk of contamination from unsanitary equipment used to administer enemas. For example, one outbreak of Campylobacter sepsis occurred among clients at a border clinic in Mexico that offered coffee enemas, and an outbreak of amebiasis was also linked to fecal contamination of an enema-delivery system.
My mom went to the Gerson Clinic in Mexico in September 2006. She went there to treat her reoccurence of stage 4 ovarian cancer. She received chemo and her cancer came back six months afterwards.
While she was there her CA 125 dropped 30 points in two weeks. Her cancer has not returned in the 17 months that she has been following the Gerson Protocol. She follows the vegan diet and does drink 10 juices a day and does 3 enemas a day.
This is obviously working for her. I love Dr. Fuhrman and everything he says. I believe that we need to seek a nutritional excellence program before seeking standard drugs for care. But maybe there needs to be more studies done on something like coffee enemas.
I had cancer 15 years ago and was treated with chemo and radiation (my family ate very poorly). While I was at the Gerson clinic they told me that I needed to change my diet or it would kill me. They also told me that half of the chemo I received was still in me. They advised me to go home and follow the protocol that my mom was doing. Well, I did not want to do the coffeee enemas. I did juice 4-6 times a day and ate a near vegetarian diet. Within a week my hair started to fall out. I asked the doctors at the Gerson clinic if it was the chemo coming out. They said yes, but told me that I needed to do the enemas too. They said that the enemas would bring out the chemo and not let it circulate around my body and have an effect on me. I had lost most of my hair already but I started to do 1 enema a day. Since then, my hair has started to grow in. In fact, if I do go a couple of days without doing an enema, my hair starts to fall out again.
I just hate to hear that there are no scientific studies to support the Gerson therapy. They have been curing people with cancer for over 50 years. There were many people there while we were there who are doing well. I wish we could study all these different avenues that people are seeking for help with disease. Dr. Fuhrman has a wonderful foundation but there could be great things to add to a diet.
Thank You,
the effects of the chemo, hair failing out, whould have occured with or with out the coffee enemas. There is no possible way coffee enemas can help remove the radiation effects of chemo.
The gerson therarpy does encourage diet change which is good but along with that comes a baggage of crazy ideas that have nothing to do with recovering good health. They also believe in eating freshly killed raw liver too! [do you do that?] as if that is going to help anyone.
The changing of the diet to eating more fruits and vegetable is the only reason people improve on the gerson therapy. Believe it or not.
Actually, we did not eat raw killed liver. They are not using that in their therapy now. I am not wanting to get into a debate with anyone on this topic. I just want people to know that we did go to the clinic and we did see results. The doctors are the most caring doctors I have ever seen (and I have seen a lot of doctors). They are trying to help people from dying of cancer. They did a great job teaching me the importance of eating correctly. A lot of what they recommend ties in with Eat To Live. We should have more doctors in the U.S. like them and like Dr. Fuhrman.
The reason they use the enema's is to flush the body of all the toxins. Once you drink all the juices, it releases toxins into your body. There are substances in the coffee that attaches to free radical cells. These toxins are disposed of through the intestines and they cannot be reabsorbed. The reason my hair fell out is because I had all the chemo flowing through my body. I think we can all agree on that. What the doctors told me is that the enema's take the chemo out of the body without having time to destroy fast growing cells (hair cells). I do not believe all the chemo is out of my body yet. (I had chemo 15 years ago) If I skip doing a coffee enema for more than three days my hair starts to fall out a lot. As long as I am doing the enemas every day, I do not see my hair falling out. I have been doing 1 coffee eneman a day for almost 15 months now without having any ill side efffects.
I know that I am not an expert on any of these issues. People can read "The Gerson Therapy" if they want more information. I just wanted to share that I do feel that coffee enemas should be tested and explored for the reason that the Gerson clinic does treat cancer patients successfully.
your a believer in the gerson therapy, that's your right. I personally have meet people who haven't had the results you claim, debates happen. you want to recommend the gerson therapy here without a debate!!
If you had the money to do all the things you say you did,the gerson center is not cheap, you can afford to speak to DR fuhrman directly.I mean this in A nice way . Why don't have a phone consulation or join his members center and ask Dr fuhrman for some help. If i were you, that is exactly what I would do. Wishing you the best in your recovery.
My wife had chemo and blackened, crooked triangle toe nails owing to serious diabetic problem.
She had coffee enema for 3 months at home,and toe nails becomes pinky flat shape, growing strong thick and dense hairs, the most remarkable thing is worst, chronic (for 40 years)CONSTIPATION gone.
She is healthy,and thanks to Coffee Enema. We recommended to many Korean
neighbors who experienced similiar improvement.
results speak for themselves. Coffee enemas are time-tested and when administered properly, deliver the benefits people are claiming. It's unfortunate you dont see the benefits in doing them yourself. A toxic body equals a toxic mind. You obviously are not using that thing between your ears we call a brain. So go get a bag of organic coffee and get rid of that ****! :)
I had chemo for early-stage breast cancer 5 years ago and the cancer came back in sept of 07. It had spread to my bones, brains, and fluids around my heart. I went on the Gerson Program and most of my cancer disappeared within 2 months. I also noticed the hair falling out, I didn't realize it was related to the enemas but now I know to do the 3 a day, it was the one part of the program I was slacking on. Thanks for sharing, your advice may save my hair!!
I have gallbladder full of stones & pain and I did a coffee enema 4 times over 3 days and I have passed a lot these stones. I would of NEVER believed it but I had to try it at least to see if I get relief because no Dr could offer me anything else except cut it out, wow cut out an organ I need to live healthy now thats smart.
It's funny that the people who are bashing the treatment are people who have never tried it, and just assume it's not something that would work. Sounds pretty close-minded to me. Sounds like all the people who ACTUALLY HAVE experienced it are having good results. I'll take first hand experience over unwaranted skepticism anyday! I'm so glad all of you have found something that has worked when nothing else has!
Interesting posts. I have one coffee enema daily, and have for over two years. I always feel great and I never have a bad day. I do not normally drink beverages with caffeine because I am so sensitive to their effects, but the enemas do not seem to affect me that way. Coffee enemas do not cure cancer, they detoxify the liver. The liver is an extremely important organ, and it is extremely difficult to overcome cancer if one has a toxic load that the liver cannot handle. Detoxifying the liver does not guarantee recovery from cancer, but leaving the liver toxic makes the possibility of recovery quite poor. The Gerson Therapy is unequaled in its brilliant approach to curing degenerative diseases, by the way. Read "Dr. Max Gerson- Healing the Hopeless," by Howard Straus, available at www.gerson.org. It is a biography written like a best-selling novel. If you are hard to convince, then give this book a read. The coffee enema is the only way that has ever been found to introduce large quantities of palmitic acid into the liver, and that is what causes the detoxification, not the caffeine or other compounds found in coffee. There is much more, but books are available for in-depth studies.
I have been suffering from chronic migraines for years despite being a vegetarian. I have tried the coffee enemas which completely rid me of the headache within the 20 minutes of doing the enema. It is a remarkable 'miracle ' for me...
recently I have tried to eat mostly organic and have found the incidence of migraines to be reduced to almost nothing...over 12 months now...I dont need to know why...it just is incredible that such a simple method drug free can create what is a miracle in my life as a past migraine sufferer !
The Beautiful Truth (2008)... great documentary... watch it if this topic interests you
What does "row" know about this anyway.
Seems like he is just here to argue.
My Stage III breast cancer came back and I decided to go to Hospital Meridian for Gerson Therapy.
I was NOT a believer in any way, as I had worked doing clinical research for the NIH for many years-much of it relating to cancer.
In less than 5 weeks my cancer was gone. That was eleven years ago!
The coffee enemas DO WORK. You can feel it. As harmful toxins are removed you experience nausea- after every enema.
This lessens over time.
I have followed the Gerson Therapy for recovery from breast cancer after I was told to do chemo or I would DIE! I had the offending lump removed but was told that this would spread elsewhere in my body. I followed the Gerson treatment and the 4-5 coffee enemas a day. My hair also fell out and now I now it is because I did not keep up with the enemas to detox because of my work situation. Yes and when you had a splitting headache, the enemas would remove this within 15 min. My skin, my hair , my nails all improved with the treatment. It is not only Gerson who recommend Coffee enemas just do some research "row" as Bill Henson says you need one!!
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> your a believer in the gerson therapy, that's your right. I personally have meet people who haven't had the results you claim, debates happen. you want to recommend the gerson therapy here without a debate!!
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> I am not wanting to get into a debate with anyone on this topic. I just want people to know that we did go to the clinic and we did see results.
I thought Kathy was quite clear. She just wants people to know of her personal experience.
(The only two people I heard of who died from doing coffee enemas were not following Gerson Therapy. That was abundantly clear from the descriptions that led up to the inevitable end results. Yes, coffee enemas form an important part of the Gerson Therapy, but only if done in accordance with the therapy as a whole. There are very clear instructions at source on how to safely do coffee enemas, and the _context_ in which it is safe to do them. Sadly, some people read about coffee enemas and start doing them without having done their initial research properly. I've been doing a maintenance form of Gerson Therapy out of choice for many years, and liaised with my 'conventional' GP who was open to things she had not heard of before, but agreed to my request to run relevant tests to make sure I was not damaging myself in any way - electolyte levels, K/Na balance, and so on. These all came out very well (along with excellent cholesterol levels and so on), and I've continued for many years with, speaking for myself, very good results.)
By the way, I've yet to find someone opposing the Gerson Therapy who can come up with a credible argument that really engages me in constructive debate. Every single time so far, we come up against the same 'wall', which goes along the lines of, Sigh, you haven't done your research have you. Here are the basic instructions, medical literature, scientific papers and testimonials to read. When you've read that, come back and we can have a proper debate as then you will know what you are talking about :-) No offense intended, but it probably will offend.
If you are a recovered Gerson patient or someone who have experienced results with the therapy, please contact the Gerson Institute to help us increase the recovered patients' database.
Thank you and wish you all the best in health.
I note that you wish to hear from "recovered" and "results experienced" Gerson users - I suppose that is reasonable, given the alternative to "recovery"!
However, is it the case that all Gerson devotees heal and that there are no cases of "failure"?
In other words, where orthodox therapies can cite probabilities of success, Gerson cannot?
Just wondering?
HI! everyone. This maybe of some interest to all of you. Dr.Hiromi Shinya M. D. in his book The Enzyme Factor,page 100 -101, he talks about coffee enemas. He recommends coffee enemas to his patients and he also does them himself. By the way he is the Chief of Surgical Endoscopy Unit, Beth Israel Medical Center. Clinical Professor of Surgery, Albert Einstein College of Medicine. From his book, " He performed the first non-invasive colon surgery. Using his own invention of the colonscope, he discovered the ability to both examine and operate on the colon without abdominal incision. In fact, he has examined the stomachs and intestines of over 300,000 people. " WOW! As I said he recommends coffee enemas. Hope this helps. Thank you for listening.
Coffee enema works. It heals the wounds quickly and relieves pain and also makes me feel energetic and healthy. It is really miraculous. I am doing this once a day now. I don't think I can go without it.
I wish everyone try this and know about this.
I am VERY impressed with what I've seen and heard about the Gerson Therapy. Including The Beautiful Truth DVD and the testimonials. I strongly believe in the Gerson Therapy.
However, I must say I am EXTREMELY disappointed and angered by the greed that exists at the Gerson Institute. I called to find out the cost, and I was told that it will cost $5,500 USD per week. (I called in Dec, 2010)
$5,500.00 per week? ARE YOU SERIOUS???!!! how can giving people carrot juice for a week cost so much?
And yet they bash the pharmaceutical companies for over charging! Can anyone here explain why it costs so much to become a patient at the clinic?
Re: Marvin Dec 8th 2010.
I knew someone would say that. How is $5,000/week comparable to almost $100,000 that you pay into health insurance to pay for medical costs for doctors who just treat us and don't get to the root of the problem. Consumers don't really realize how much money they spend on health insurance until their employer stops paying for it. It's cheaper to prevent than to treat, furthermore when someone has told you that you're gonna die in 6 mos. $5,000/week is hardly an issue.
Does someone have information about the Gerson clinic in Mexico? Like Marvin, I am concerned about the cost of the program. Unfortunately, if one is unemployed, a single mother and struggling financially, $5,000 might as well be $100,000. Any success stories of doing the Gerson therapy on their own at home?
Most patients stay 1-3 weeks at the Gerson clinic according to the documentary. My friend's chemo treatments for breast cancer exceeded 1 million dollars, another man went into the hospital for a heart attack and had a $250,000 hospital bill for 5 days. Gerson clinic sounds like a bargain. Getting your insurance to pay for it is probably another story.
> $5,500.00 per week? ARE YOU SERIOUS???!!! how can giving people carrot juice for a week cost so much?
I'm not sure of the current cost without checking, but if the cost quoted is correct, the first thing that springs to mind is that you are not just paying for carrot juice. If that's all you wanted, you could cut the cost by paying for the carrots yourself and hiring someone to make you carrot juice. However, the clinic is not a cafe. It has trained medical doctors there who, just like everyone else, need to earn a living and, aside from the people who provide the juices, are providing professional medical care.
The people who make the juices are also doing a job though and need to be paid just like everyone else. And, have you seen how much a single Norwalk juicer costs? How much does it cost to buy and pay for the running and upkeep of a building? I don't know, but it's another part of the cost. How about the administration side of things? Again, more people's salaries, more people involved in the care and running of the clinic. I imagine it isn't only the clinic. How do you think the Gerson Institute runs itself? The amount of work that the Institute does, including liaison with the doctors at the clinic, is phenomenal in proportion to the small number of staff. Much work has already occurred before you arrive at the clinic, on your behalf, as the Institute needs to deal with application forms for the clinic and perform the difficult task of liaising with the doctors to determine which patients are suitable to accept and to make the necessary arrangements. The more applications they receive, the more analysis, time and medical judgements need to be made. This is not trivial work. They handle support calls from all over the world on a daily basis, on the telephone and in mounting numbers of e-mail, not to mention urgent cases through the weekend on many an occasion with at least one person interrupting her own social and private home life to respond to urgent cases on a regular basis. They give training courses not only for care-giving, but also to trained 'conventional' medical doctors. They liaise with film makers on occasion. They provide a lot in the way of education. They provide a telephone coaching service and support. They keep a well-stocked library of material that regularly gets shipped to people all over the world. This is someone else's job and that person needs to earn a living too. You probably don't question how much it costs to post a book or DVD to someone, but consider that someone has a fulltime job just responding to the demand for this material. Someone has to package these items and arrange the shipping and transportation details. They attend conventions to distribute more information and material, give presentations, and someone needs to pay for all that so that the general public can be made aware of the choices that exist and the lives that can be saved. Mundane things like electricity, food, cleaning, even keeping the clinic grounds tidy and clean all add to the cost.
I imagine that none of these things, on their own, are possibly overly expensive, apart from the Norwalk juicers! But there are probably heaps of things I've missed out and this is just an initial thought check of what you are really paying for when you go to the clinic. Oh, also all the educational material that is provided. You aren't just paying for books or videos. You're paying for the tremendous amount of effort that people have put into actually creating those things. Remember, this is a non-profit organization and they do not get the type of funding that I guess most government-run organizations might get.
I hope that helps a bit, or at least broadens the horizon a little to give a bit more understanding. I'm fairly certain the Institute also publishes some sort of yearly financial report as I'm reasonably certain I received one a while ago. It may help you to look at that.
Lastly, I could mention the sacrifices that some of the people working at the Institute have made to be able to help provide this care, but it would be appalling undiplomatic of me to do so, so I hope I don't offend anyone by simply saying, you are very unlikely to find anyone at the Gerson Institute arriving at work in a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari. The same cannot be said of most consultants providing less effective cancer-therapy treatments.
It's right to question the cost, but I think it can be justified.
Wow Ste! I just want to give you a kudos for that one. You know the ins and outs and it couldn't have been said any better.
Best Regards
Today is the first time I have read these comments as I was googling Gershon Therapies. All of the postings regarding people's hair falling out caught my eye. I have MS. I went into this diet cold turkey to get my immune system to stop attacking itself(the juicing, hippocrates soup, vegan)and my hair started to fall out.
I have not been diagnosed with cancer, have never had chemo.
research on hair falling out could have been from antibiotics, stress, thyroid issues, etc.
I have strayed from the Gershon diet(stayed vegan) and my hair stopped falling out. I want to start again because I did feel better any feel it is a healthier lifestyle but am afraid that my hair wiLl fall out again.
I had the feeling a Gerson family member was talking:) What a wonderful conversation. Makes me giggle, don't imagine the creator of the blog intended so many patients to come forward to defend what's real. Thank you for the option of this treatment, for the people who really want to get better and sorry for those who just want to be right. I was told to take coffee enamas last week to help with my liver while I'm changing my diet to fix "leaky gut." I only do them twice a week. Makes sense it's not often considering it's not cancer.
I am responding to the first comment on this forum in regard to cancer not being toxic. Obviously the author has never heard of tumor lysis syndrome which can be deadly. Look it up! Cancer cells that break down rapidly can clog kidneys and affect the heart itself. It is not something to ignore.
I don't have any serious illness other than hemeroids which I could never get rid of since having children. I have been to many naturopathic doctors and medical intuitives over the years.
I have been using coffee enemas for about 8 months and wonder how I ever survived without them!!! My hemeroids are totally gone, I have lost weight and my candida has almost disappeared. I cant say enough good about coffee enemas, and would encourage anyone to do their research and give it a try. I AGREE THE CRITICS ON HERE. I THINK YOU NEED TO DETOX YOUR BRAIN!!
Hahaha! The poster says "Coffee enemas don't work" and then a bunch of former Gerson patients comment saying "Actually they do work."
Nice try, Big Pharma agent. Gerson will kick your chemo-butt any day.
About 2 yrs ago, menopausal & gaining wt-generally miserable, I studied the idea of toxicity, coffee enema, health improvement. With the 2nd enema my life was changed for good. The most amazing effect: the calm positive well-being which becomes, over time (with daily or weekly enemas), permanent! If there's no medical basis for it-then I'll gladly accept that it's a miracle. When I add in the most complete turnaround my health has taken-I thank God for Drs like Gerson, Kelley, Dean, Wright & those like them
I have been on the Gerson diet for 8 days now, I have non hodgkins Lymphoma (NK T Cell, extranodal, nasal type). I was wondering if anyone could email me who has done this diet and had success? I have so many questions and would appreciate a positive outcome and someone to talk to, Thank you, my email is below
Im 35 and I Love coffee enemas!!! I do it 4 times a week
My mother passed away with cancer 16 years ago, She had 72 Sessions of chemo and 12 radiations in 5 years and she still passed away. I wish my family knew what we know now about alternative Treatments I'm sure she would still be alive. She was a fighter. I'm not sick in any way but feel emotional happier and physically Stronger and I feel great after my coffee enema.
My sister who is a QRA Practitioner / Kinesiologist for the past 5 years introduced me to it a few years ago and it took me just one time to feel great I got hooked. My Dad who has Emphysema does it and he can breath so much better and lost his belly, he's is 68. My husband who is a body builder 37 loves doing coffee enemas also. He does it 3-4 times a week.
Why do we do it ? Because we think outside of the box. "row" :) and For whoever said 5,500 was expensive? Its still cheeper then almost $1,000 per chemo, my dad spent almost his life savings for my mom not including hospital stays meds ect.. Her insure stopped paying after a point.
I'm so happy for everyone that is getting great results with the enemas and Gerson diet!
Keep up the fight your worth it and never give up theirs always a heather way then crapy toxic modern medicine !!!
My brother in law had brain tumor/cancer removed & chemo and everything about 15 years ago, he now has been diagnosed with MDS & is supposed to get bone marrow transplant/chemo, has anyone heard Gerson therapy working for someone with MDS? Thank you
Like Mark who posted 1/31/2012 I am also interested if anyone has any experience with MDS and the Gerson Therapy - my coworker has just been diagnosed and is looking at chemo treatments and blood transfusions in the near future. Would appreciate any info - thanks!
I wanted to throw my hat into the ring, having read the Gerson Therapy and seen quite a few of the documentaries on the subject. That said, I do not have a PhD or claim to be an expert. In response to the debate over cost, which is roughly $6000/wk, there is far more involved other than carrot juice. There are expensive supplements, the cost of boarding at the hospital, organic meals prepared daily, organic enemas as many as 5 times daily, not to mention standardized testing, such as x-rays and blood tests. When you weigh this against the offset costs of traditional medicine (ie: chemo, radiation and surgery), even after insurance kicks in, you will easily be in the hundreds of thousands. Also, most patients will only be at the clinic for a few weeks to 2 months, upon which time the therapy can be administered at home. Quite simply, the main reasons for attacks against the therapy come from pharmaceutical companies and traditional medicine doctors, who most likely have their incomes GREATLY inflated by said pharma companies, and also from those who have not experienced the therapy themselves, or may be fearful or disapproving of enemas. Just remember, there is NO money in healthy eating, especially when you consider that our economy hinges upon agribusiness and pharmaceutical companies that have poisoned us for 60 years.
I shrunk my mastoid tumor that had been growing for 7 years and caused me to go blind in one eye and began losing the vision of my right eye as well. I did Gerson because it did make sense, I also know a woman who cured her metastatic melanoma and thyroid cancer at the Gerson institute. I have since met MANY MANY others who have used nutrition to heal from cancer and diabetes. I never did the coffee enemas, but my friends have done them, and they had nothing but improved health. Any time a large amount of toxins are flushed from the body, you will have side effects, rashes, nausea, headaches, etc. On Gerson, toxins are eliminated fast because of the amazing boost the immune system gets from the nutrients that feed and strengthen the immune system.
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Emergency services workers in Cairns concerned after third death at waterfalls in a week
- From: The Cairns Post
- November 26, 2013
MYSTERY surrounds the death of yet another person at a Cairns region waterhole the third such fatality within a week.
The body of a 30-year old man was found yesterday after plunging from Kearneys Falls, just south of Cairns and emergency services personnel are worried by the spate of accidents.
Police were called to recover the man's body from a rock pool at the bottom of the falls at Goldsborough Valley following a report from a member of the public.
It is the third waterfall death in the Far North in a week.
Cairns District Duty Officer Sen-Sgt John Rhodes confirmed the death was not suspicious.
"It appears by the cuts and contusions to his body that he slipped on the rocks and knocked himself unconscious," he told The Cairns Post.
"We received information from Queensland Ambulance Service in relation to a deceased male floating in a rock pool near the river."
The Emergency Management Queensland rescue helicopter from Cairns was tasked to retrieve the body yesterdayafternoon because of the rugged terrain.
The rock pools are about 800m from the entrance of the national park.
Sen-Sgt Rhodes said inquiries were being made last night to locate the man's family.
"We believe he is a tourist at this stage," he said.
"If people intend to go swimming, please have someone with them.
"This could have been averted he was there by himself."
A tourist from Bundaberg, who had been camping in the area, said he saw clothing near the pools about noon on Saturday.
According to the Department of National Parks website, access to Kearneys Falls including the rock pools at the bottom of the falls is strictly prohibited.
Last weekend, a Malaysian man, 29, drowned at Malanda Fallson the Atherton Tableland when he was swimming with friends.
Despite frantic efforts from friends, the man was unable to be revived.
In a separate incident, a Dutch woman, 41, drowned after slipping and falling over the side of 30m-high Roaring Meg Falls, south of Cooktown.
Emergency service personnel are warning people to remain vigilant at local waterholes as increased rainfall changes conditions.
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Large 6"x9" (15x23cm) 100 page notebook. "My Daylesford Days Notebook" is inspired by the Fine Art book, "Daylesford Days", by Chris Armytage. Available in both Soft and Hardcover, with 18 stunning color images from around the Daylesford, Hepburn Springs Spa region of Central Victoria, this beautiful notebook has heaps of lined pages making it a perfect gift for anybody who loves to make reminders, lists, notes, jottings, doodles, scribbles, drawings, creations and inspirations.
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- Primary SD area: Oceans and Seas, SIDS
- Keywords: MPA, Co-management, Artisanal Fisheries, Sustainability, Governance
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Creation of a Co-managed Marine Protected Areas Network
Organization(s) making commitmentFUNDACION LONXANET PARA LA PESCA SOSTENIBLE
Achievement of CommitmentThe creation of Marine Protected Areas designed and co-managed by artisanal fishers as a tool to ensure marine governance and sustainability of fishery resources.
Involvement of artisanal fishers in the co-management of fishery resources in the decision making process, which will reduce the gap among authorities and civil society.
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Galician fishermen will see themselves�and be seen by society and by the relevant authorities�as legitimate partners in every stage of decision making related to fishery resource management, which must incorporate their needs and priorities, and value and fully utilize their experiences and ecological knowledge systems through the shared governance of marine resources.
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How could the CIS lose?
This is a bit of random debate I have with some friends, which was sparked mainly by the clone lab and droid factory sequences in AoTC. So I thought I would bring it here and see what you all think. Our debate is, that it seems rather weird that the CIS could lose the war.
Sheer mass of numbers and cheaper logistics would suggest that the CIS could surmount anything the Republic could muster. The clone troopers which appraise the bulk of the Republic's army, while superior fighters in terms of skills and tactics, take an extremely long period of time to grow and train.
Even assuming the 'accelerated' maturation techniques could bring a clone from zygote to adult in a year, then proceeded to hand said Clone a blaster and told them to go shoot something. It still makes them vastly more irreplaceable then the ranks amongst the Droid army. That's not even taking into account, the insane cost of growing and feeding millions upon millions of troopers. This isn't even taking into account, that the fact that since the Clones are humans, they are vulnerable to disease, sickness and have to treated for injuries prior and after an engagement.
Contrawise, excluding the more advanced Droid models (like Droidekas and IG-100's), the droids can be produced en mass, rapidly.(In say, a month at worst) They require no more maintenance other then to keep them operational. If they are damaged or destroyed in combat, oh well, they can be recycled cheaply for new droids.
The only real logical swing factors, it seems to me, are the Jedi and Chancellor(Emperor) Palpatine. The Jedi would undoubtably increase CIS casualties, and operating costs but in the end would eventually get trampled by the vastly superior CIS numbers.
The only really thing that would cripple and likely end the CIS ambitions are decapitations of CIS leadership..unfortunately, unless you count an occasional hot headed Padawan or Knight, I don't really see Jedi doing this. *shrug*
Which means, that any orders for decapitations would have to come from the main Republic Military, which are under the control of Palpatine. While it was Palpatines intention to create war, so that he could gain control, I got the impression he didnt really care which Army actually won control of the Republic. In fact, it seems more in Sith nature to see which army was the strongest, which is more logically the CIS.
But those are just my thoughts. How about you guys?
They lost because the "leader" of the CIS is the Supreme Chancellor Palpatine/Darth Didious, which is the "leader" of the Republic. It was a deception, so he could become the ruler of the universe.
The droids lose hands down because they have no leadership in the field. No leadership = fail.
They did have Grevious who started turning the tables, but he was put in command too late in the war for him to win it.
the chancellor should have kept the droid army it was winning aswell
The clones are simply superior soldiers. They were the pinnacle of military perfection in terms of their training and development. Not to mention, clonetroopers could think creatively, unlike droids, who for the most part, went off a series of preprogrammed instructions.
Also, total reliance on a central command entity was a liabilty.
it was winning the war they said it themselfs and if the chancellor told dooku to get angry and kill them both and not taunt them he wood have killed themand they could have won the battle over courcant
Palpatine and Dooku created the Clone Wars, Sidious was in charge of the CIS and Palpatine was in charge of the Republic. It wasn't a real war and the Army of the Republic were always going to win, how could you possibly not have realised this Servercat?
As a plot point, we always knew the Clones would win. They had to. The CIS couldn't win at the end of Episode 3...unless the Storm troopers in 4-6 were secretly droids ^_^
What am I talking about, is the vast outclassing of the CIS versus the Clones.
Lets look at the advantages of each
1. More flexible and can innovate with more frequency and success.
2. Better Leadership, (mainly costing of the Jedi on the ground fighting along side of them).
1. Vastly Superior Numbers
2. Greater Coordination and ability to adapt to changes on a widespread level faster then Clones
3. Superior Armament
4. Superior Logistics (Troopers are cheaper. Do not require food, or aid. Meaning more troopers and ammunition per deployment)
5. Ranks can be replenished quickly.
Even with the great benefits of the Jedi, the Droids have the clear advantage. They are more heavily armed, overwhelming numbers, and superior logistics.
The only true logical factor in how the CIS could lose (aside from making the plot work ^_^) is the Sith i.e. Palpatine.
But here in lies the problem. Palpatine's goal is to gain control of the 'republic' (read Galaxy) and destroy the Jedi. It doesn't really matter which army he supports, he would still gain control, no matter who wins.
The Clones win, he gains the respect and love of the Senate and they convert into the Empire.
The CIS wins, he gains control of the dominant military and economic force in the Galaxy.
It's win/win scenario for Palpatine. So it seems to me, at least so far, that the only reason the CIS loses is merely to fulfil plot points for the series. :O
You're missing the fundemental part, he has to convert Anakin. Being the leader of the seperatists, he couldn't do that.
True enough, but that's a plot reason. I bet given a little time and energy he could have done it even as leader of the CIS. It would merely be a matter of saying that the Republic and Jedi had fallen from the proper path and the Seperatists were the true peacemakers of the Galaxy.
Except Anakin is loyal to the Republic that saved him. That's why he follows Palpatine, he believes Palpatine is protecting the republic.
The Kaminoan stated that the Clones were "...vastly superior to Droids."
The Droids were mindless, they didn't have any logic at all, they relied on numbers because more Droids would be destroyed in a battle.
Palpatine created the CIS, he is in control of everything, he would win either way?!
The Clones were dominant.
I think that the Kaminion would have said that regardless ^_^ Backing their product
The Droids are no more innovative, then their programming and the orbiting controller(s). It doesn't make them mindless or stupid, just means they lack creativity.
In addition to their mass numbers, we see the droids absorb more damage then a clone. They take 2 or 3 direct blaster hits, limb's get hacked off and they still continue firing with Star Wars-esque accuracy. ^_^ Same can't be said about the Clones.
While the basic Clone Troopers and the Roger-Roger's are equivilantly armed blaster wise, the speciality Droids are more heavily armed/armored and more capable then any Clone. A Solo Droideka can even go toe to toe with a Jedi, and even has a great chance of winning the fight. What clone variation can say the same?
Which in lies the CIS's greatest asset. They can match the best the Republic has, and can replace their loses faster and cheaper then the Republic. It takes years to replace even a lowly Padawan, and the CIS can create an equivilant force in month or more.
And to rub salt on the wound, it wouldn't cost the CIS anymore then the fund it takes to create an automated factory like we see in Ep.2. On a good moon/planet said factory could be totatly self suffienct. Much like the factory, you learn about in the Vader's Fist journal's in SW:BF2.
Look you're obviously wrong, the films and Databank make this clear. The Grand army of the Republic are Elite Troopers, clones of the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy, the CIS are
I can't believe how many really young people are on this forum.
10?! He did not have any spelling errors (for what I saw) and that is good for 10. Also how do you know he is 10?
Thats true
He fails.
Ok, its not which army is going to win, its which army the Sith WANTS to be the winner.
Palpy is a pro-human person, and CIS is non-human oriented in terms of ownership and major sponsors. Obviously palpy will want the clones to win instead.
Also defeating the CIS would make great media work concerning non-human aliens are evil, rallying more "good human" to palpy's side.
It really is that simple. Though I think Doku may actually WANT to win the war and take the Throne by himself.
I think there are several reasons why Palpatine would want the Republic to prevail, rather than the CIS. One is that the Republic has a pre-existing bureaucracy in place to control the galaxy. It is much easier to phase this out in favor a more direct method (grand moffs, moffs, etc). Another is that he wanted the popular support of the people. If he gains control of the Republic by force (CIS victory), then the galaxy will be a conquered people, who are more likely to lash out in rebellion. By thwarting the enemy (Republic victory), he becomes a hero, and the general populace actually want him to rule the galaxy.
Well, this is Star Wars, I mean, the Iraqi insurgency could do better.
Ultimately, Grievous ended up with a powerful fleet over a poorly defended coruscant, now, if I was in his shoes, I'd have nuked it. No leadership=end of war.
The only person in the CIS who knew Palpatine was Sidious was Dooku, I don't believe any other droid/general knew. Therefore, I don't know why Grievous DIDN'T inflict more damage on Coruscant. Sure, Dooku might have said "Don't do it," but after Dooku died, I'd get mad and order all Turbolasers to fire on the planet.
Heck, he could have even fired on the Jedi Temple if he didn't want to REALLY disobey the commander. Dooku wouldn't be able to object; he was a Sith, and it would have looked REALLY suspicious.
True that. But remember, this IS Star Wars. You want a realistic war, we're in the wrong place. Heck, even the Breen Managed to kick Starfleet butt when they invaded Earth, and that was a hit/run!
Well no kidding. I mean if you have droids half as smart as that you would rule the space combats. W/o need of life support system you can basically just make legless droids with jet engines attached to their bums and a huge proton topedo attached to their nose. A lot cheaper but much much more effective en messe. You basically don't need a "ship" for many things, just a huge hyperdrive with holes/tubes loaded up with these things. Ok, maybe a few other warships and freighters(with lasers) and bombers and transports.
Being droids are also great planetside. Ignoring some more simple biological needs is a plus, but it also mean you can make every every grunt a biochemical warfare agent. You know droids don't get sick or anything.
POINT: even according to starwars world view, CIS is still at least on par with the clones, if not better. Clones winning the war is more of a political schemeing solution than anything else.
The ridiculous part is the apparently canon number of only 3 million clones from Kamino. That simply shouldn't work and the CIS should have walked all over them.
Yeah, the EU has frankly turned the whole situation completely ridiculous. Essentially they are asking you to believe that say, one Delta Force soldier could take on all the soldiers of the entire earth... and win. I don't care how incompetent the soldiers of the entire earth are... that's just unbelievable!
To make sense of the scenes I just ignore the EU stuff, and assume there are a lot more clones already out there than implied by the movie and with lots of support troops as well (but you need lots of clones, you can't call it the Clone War if only 1% of your troops are clones, can you?).
well actually, I alwys think its the clones who are doing the majority of the fighting. Support personel and such are still filled mostly by non-clones.
In episode 2 they said 1.2 million UNITS, what if one unit is 100 or 1000 clones, that would even the odds slightly. But they would still be smashed.
3 million clones can be transported by 188 Acclimators. Leaving none for Venators, stationing on planets, or crewing anything, including the acclimators.
The NEC says this about Battle of Muunilist: "The Republic countered with sheer numbers, sending hundreds of assault ships, each one groaning from the weight of troopers and war machines. Many vessels reached the surface only as smoldering hulks; others found themselves cut off from their drop zones, forced to make landings behind enemy lines." Technically assault ship means an Acclimator. That means that the entire clone army was at that battle. Leaving none for anywhere else in the galaxy. According to the EU, this is not true.
One retcon has been that a clone was worth about 200 battle droids to justify the small number. That implies that, in ROTS on Utapau, where there are "thousands of battle droids", the Kenobi would only need a handful of clones. If there were 10,000 droids, he would only need about 50 clones. Yet we see several acclimators flying overhead. Was this complete overkill? Even if there were a million droids, they would only need about 5000 clones, which is one fairly empty acclimator. That ratio just doesn't work.
3 million isn't an unheard of number of soldiers for an army on Earth. Did the GAR not protect any of their holdings after they won them? Yes, there were non-clones involved in the Clone Wars, but in the films apart from Utapau everything we see is done by clones (pilots, crewman, soldier, etc.). And according to the ROTS novel, "the new governors are arriving with full regiments of clone troops what they call security forces. So after the war they are used as occupying forces. Yes there can be more than the 3 million number from 2 years before, but how many more? They have a lot of occupying to do. From ANH novelization, Tarkin tells us This station is the final link in a new-forged Imperial chain which will bind the million systems of the galactic Empire together once and for all.
Even if the Republic had gained an order of magnitude more clones in two years, that is still only 30 clones to occupy a system (not planet). Yes, not every system needs occupying, but the Emperor is trying to enforce his rule, so it is reasonable to assume that most systems would need to be controlled. Even if it is only a third of the systems, probably the upper bound is 90 troopers per system, assuming all those extra clones. At just double the growth, we are looking at 3-9 clones per system.
Hmm, maybe that's why we only saw two Stormtroopers on Tatooine before Vader sent the "Detachment" to find the stolen plans?
lol.... what a mess
Prime, you got the last two quotes wrong. I wrote the last thing.
I do think that the clones are better than the droids. A single clone can take out many droids because they have the ability to think. They can find cover. I suppose it is kind of like the American Revolutionary War. The British had way more troops, but they fought out in the open, while the Americans hid behind trees and rocks, which reduced casualties.
However, the droids lost because Sidious wanted them to lose. They might have ended up winning, had they not been shut down, under the order of Sidious.
The problem is there are a billion (or a trillion) droids to every clone trooper, according to the EU numbers. So they can't possibly win, no matter how good they are!
The EU authors, perhaps realizing their mistake, tried to say that the Clones were so awesome they could kill 200 (or 2000) droids before going down. Despite that this is ridiculous considering their performance in the movies (even the Jedi don't do that well!), they would lose badly if this is all they could do.
As for your first point:
1) Red is definitely not a good color... you learn that from startrek. It also makes an obvious target.
2) American tactics are better. Even so, there are many external elements to the Revolutionary War, as for CIS vs Republic, there is no known significant external power to interfere.
3) The sheer scale of WoMD is way too different to compare. In starwars both sides have the technology to genoside a whole freaking planet within hours, if not less, also a point mostly avoided by LA and writers.
Secret facility on Coruscant? When did this happen? If the facility was set up after the Clone Wars started there isn't nearly enough time to get them into the field. If it was there before, well, that isn't even worth discussing.
Bad intelligence? Sorry, we overestimate the CIS numbers by about 1,000,000,000 times. :rolleyes:
Again, why couldn't they simply change the original number? Afterall, it conflicts with all the previously published numbers.
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Fresh Start-Up Duo Turns Felled Trees into Home Furnishings
From Margaret Everton on August 31, 2010 in Home Decor
With warmth and personality that other materials just can't match, wood has found a place in our homes for centuries. So when Seth Meyer and John Wells decided to craft damaged trees into custom furniture, they had quite a few people interested in their idea.
The beauty of their business is simple. Rather than standing by while mature trees are discarded at the hands of urban development, or deemed unsalvageable after severe storms, Meyer Wells allows your favorite old tree to become part of your daily experience. For customers Richard and Donna Majer, this meant turning their gorgeous (yet wounded) 53-year-old Oak tree into a bar for their kitchen. Richard Majer had planted it with his father when he was kid, and so understandably didnt want to lose the towering family member in the backyard.
Its folks like the Majers that have given this emotion-driven, idealistic business two legs to stand on. And despite the economic downturn, the company has seen an increase in profit from the day they started, and is poised to top $1 million by the end of this year. They now are a nine-employee team with clientele as notable as Starbucks and the University of Washington.
Sustainability remains a cornerstone of the business, and they are committed to using nontoxic water-based finishes for all of their products. Their employees also enjoy added benefits and paid vacationsimpressive for such a small company.
Luckily for Meyer Wells, sustainable wood furnishings are not a passing fad. Something tells me things are just heating up.
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ASIAN FUSION: At hot spot Chaya Beverly Hills, two can enjoy cocktails orwine while dining on lobster and rock shrimp ravioli with a three-course dinner for $59 (reg. $119).
BARBECUE: Head to the Naples Rib Company or Newport Rib Company (in Long Beach and Costa Mesa, respectively) for barbecue baby back ribs and half-barbecued chicken with $50 worth of food and drink for $25.
BRUNCH: The Six earns 91% approval from more than 400 Travelzoo reviewers for its weekend brunch with mimosas, available for $25 per couple (reg. up to $50) at West LA, Studio City or Calabasas locations. Or, try poolside brunch with bubbly for two for $55 (reg. $90) at CIRCA 55 at The Beverly Hilton.
CALIFORNIAN: The Glendon Bar & Kitchen in Westwood serves up California bistro comfort food; get drinks and appetizers for two for $39 (reg. $84).
GREEK: The Greek at the Harbor in Ventura dishes out traditional Greek cuisine; wine flights and appetizers for two are $29 (reg. $57.90).
ITALIAN: If you love Italian cuisine, try dinner for two with drinks at Nonna of Italy in West Hollywood ($49, reg. $156), Guido's Restaurant in West LA ($49, reg. $103) or Sage Room Ristorante in Agoura ($49, reg. $101). In Brentwood, Enzo & Angela two can get $65 worth of food for $40. Or, head to Marina del Rey, where four guests can have dinner and drinks at Locanda Positano for $105 (reg. $208).
JAPANESE: For mobile users only, Japon Bistro in Pasadena offers 20% off dinner, plus a complimentary sake sampler when you present the Travelzoo app through Aug. 31.
LATIN: Alegria Cocina Latina serves Spanish, Mexican and Latin American cuisine in Long Beach; for $25, get $50 worth of food and drinks. Or, try Latin-fusion cuisine at Zengo - Santa Monica, where $20 gets you $40 worth of dinner.
LOBSTER: At The Palm Restaurant, savor a four-pound Nova Scotia lobster dinner for two for $99 (reg. $149) at the downtown or West Hollywood locations through Aug. 31.
ROMANTIC: Overlooking downtown from the 35th floor, the famous LA Prime at The Westin Bonaventure Hotel & Suites serves a special chef's dinner for two with wine for $99 (reg. $206).
SPANISH: Named best Spanish restaurant, head to Bar Pintxo in Santa Monica for tapas and drinks for two for $35 (reg. $72).
UPSCALE: For "old Hollywood glamour" praised by The New York Times, try a four-course chef's dinner for two at The Restaurant at Mr. C Beverly Hills Hotel ($99, reg. $200). Or, in West LA savor a five-course tasting menu at Valentino, one of LA Magazine's top 75 restaurants; two dine with a glass of bubbly for $135 (reg. $250).
VIETNAMESE: In Venice, Le Cellier Restaurant Beer and Wine Bar specializes in French-Vietnamese cuisine; dinner for two is $49 (reg. $78).
WINE BARS: Primitivo Wine Bistro serves globally inspired tapas and wine for two ($59, reg. $116) in Venice. Or, head to Marina del Rey for a wine and cheese package for two at Bin 73 ($49, reg. $90).
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I bought this camera to take on a canoe trip and so that I could have a small waterproof camera on other trips when I might hesitate to take my larger digital camera due to water proximity. This camera out-performed my expectations. It is just a little point and shoot, but the picture quality and color saturation were fabulous. Its ability to withstand water damage was tested the second day of the canoe trip when we accidentally overturned the canoe and had to swim to shore. The camera was in my pocket and it worked beautifully after the dunking.
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How do my doctors monitor me after I'm done with treatment?
Once you are finished with your treatment (surgery, chemotherapy and radiation), you will continue to have regular check ups with your doctors. You will see one of your doctors -- surgeon, oncologist and radiation oncologist -- every 8-10 weeks to receive a physical exam as well as a blood test. These exams will become less frequent as time goes on. You will have an annual mammogram (and possibly sonogram), and you may have annual bone scans and/or chest x-rays. It is important that even beyond five years after diagnosis you continue your relationship with your healthcare team and continue follow-up visits although perhaps less frequently.
Your gynecological exams will be more comprehensive, as anyone who has survived breast cancer is now at slightly higher risk for other female gynecological cancers. Discuss with your gynecologist options for more comprehensive monitoring. This might mean more frequent visits or even vaginal sonograms on an annual basis.


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Poultry Shield Vs. Red Mite – The battle begins!
The weather has been warm over the last few weeks and we haven't had any significant rainfall over the last couple of months. I thought I would spring clean a few of my chicken houses with Poultry Shield before there is a hose pipe ban which is bound to be on the way.
Whilst dismantling some of the perches, I found the dreaded Red Mite so have waged war against them with Poultry Shield.
Red Mite multiply rapidly during warm weather and they are on the rise in backyard flocks. Red Mite never used to be a problem in days gone by because most chicken coops were traditionally coated in Creosote to protect them against the weather but it also had the effect of eradicating the mites as well. Creosote substitute was introduced a few years back and unfortunately this doesn't provide any protection against the dreaded mites.
I was introduced to Poultry Shield about 4 years ago. It is one of the safer it is probably one of the best known products on the market, and has been really well tested by many fanciers
How does Poultry Shield Work?
Red Mites have a waxy coating on their bodies. Poultry Shield effectively dissolves this and over 24 to 48 hours, the mites dry up and die.
Poultry Shield is diluted down at a rate of 20 parts water to 1 part Poultry Shield for cleaning and protection but it is recommended to be used at twice the strength (10:1) when you are trying to eradicate a red mite infestation like this. Poultry Shield is available from various sources, expect to pay £20 for 5 litres but as a cleaner and Red Mite treatment, this should last a year or two for the average small flock.
Let the Red Mite battle begin!
So I have started battle with the Red Mite. I have washed down the house with Poultry Shield, inside and out and in every possible nook and cranny. I have concentrated my efforts around the perch ends where I could see clumps of mites and an hour later, I have hosed the house down before replacing bedding and straw in the nest boxes. I will rub diatom onto the perches tonight to catch any remaining mites that fancy a free lunch and will re-inspect (and probably re-wash) the house out again next weekend.


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Bond Fund Options for a 401(k)
Original post by Geri Terzo of Demand Media
Incorporating bond funds into a 401k retirement plan can offset some other risks that an investment portfolio may contain from more volatile securities, such as stocks. Not all bonds are conservative investments, however, and adding risk appropriately can enhance a retirement fund's returns. Investors can select bonds with varying durations and from different regions. If a particular bond fund is not performing as expected, an investor can redirect assets into a different bond fund.
A 401k is a defined-contribution structure, and plan members have the responsibility to select individual funds for investment based on options provided by the plan sponsor or the administrator. A bond fund can be a mutual fund managed by an investment professional who makes investment decisions according to a defined strategy. Bonds are a type of debt issued by corporations, governments or municipalities. Investors receive interest payments from the issuer until a maturity date, at which time the face value of the bond is repaid.
High Yield
High-yield bonds considered risky because of the chance corporate issuers could default on the debt. This assessment is based on a credit grade attached to high-yield bonds by industry ratings agencies. Although these bonds are higher risk, they also deliver attractive returns that typically exceed those inherent in more traditional bond investments. Investors can diversify their bond portfolio by mixing both high-yield and investment-grade bonds.
Government Bonds
U.S. government bonds are issued in increments ranging from three months to 30 years. These are among the safest bond investments because the risk that a government will default on debt is usually low, although the U.S. credit rating was downgraded for the first time in 2011. Government bonds are a conservative addition to a 401k plan, and can introduce some safety for investors who are nearing retirement and cannot afford too many risks.
International Bonds
International bond funds are made up of corporate or government debt from other countries. Although investors face uncertainties by gaining exposure to overseas funds, there are certain ways to guard a portfolio from excessive risk. Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities are bond investments designed to hedge against inflation. Exchange-traded funds are a type of mutual fund that are made to perform inline with a certain index or industry barometer. International ETFs that contain TIPS could prevent unwanted price gyrations in an investment fund, according to ETFdb.
- 401k.org: 401(k) Investing in Volatile Times
- Fidelity: Bond Ratings
- The Wall Street Journal; SEC Examines S&P's Math; Jean Eaglesham, et al; August 2011
- Charles Schwab; Seeking Opportunity in High-Yield Bonds; Rob Williams; January 2011
- ETFdb; International Bond ETFs: Cruising Through All The Options; Michael Johnston; July 2011
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Geri Terzo is a business writer with over 15 years experience reporting on Wall Street. Her coverage ranges from institutional investing, including hedge funds and investment banking, to family topics and her career experience includes work for Fox Business, CNBC and "IDD Magazine." Terzo is a graduate of Campbell University, where she earned a B.A. in mass communication.
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Yesterday we are going to pretend didnt happen eating wise....
But otherwise it was a great day
1) It was beautiful here in Iowa- 64 and sunny.. Its been too windy latey for me to run it really bothers my ears...
2) I needed to go shopping :)
3) Treat day at work- to benefit March of Dimes walk for premie babies and I couldnt resist
So yes it was Beautiful yesterday and originally I had planned on shopping right after work and then heading home to do a Body Rock.. well once I felt the sun and cool air I decided I had to go home afterwork and get to the park.
I got home- Did my pushups 10 Again and they felt better this time!
Then walked over to the park and Took off- I ran 3 laps which is 1.5 miles and then 4th lap I did 1 min walking 1 min running.. I did 2 miles total in 18 Minutes and burned 204 calories.. It felt great and my booty is burning.
Then it was off to the mall and kmart (dont judge)
*I found these shoes at Kmart- I need gold shoes for a friends wedding and I dont want to spend a ton of money- They were pretty cute and only $30 plus bogo so I was going to talk my friend into getting them too.
*Then I headed to the card store- 3 Bridal Showers in the next 3 weeks
* Then to Younkers- our mall kind of stinks we only have Younkers an ok JCPenny and Sears for departments.. So at Younkers I was just be-bopping around.. Looking for a purple top for my friends bachelorette party this weekend. Then I made my way to the shoe department and got this awesome pair of Jessica Simpson shoes for $39 originally $98 :) yay!!
* Then I took off to Victoria Secret I have some giftcards and was going to buy some new Pink legging capri workout pants but decided against it.
* Then to Yankee Candle- I get my girlfriends this poem its called Bridal Shower Candle Poem. You light White on your wedding night, Blue after your first fight, Green your first friends for dinner, Red first promotion, Pink first Valentines day, Purple First child, light Blue 5 yr Aniversary, and Silver- 25 year anniversary. (I've heard it about 15 times and we all still cry)
* Pennys was a bust- Gap I found my purple top and got a tan one too..
*Back to Younkers I got teal capri colored jeans... Love them
I'm going to try and upload the shoes from my phone..
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The longstanding Gyruss world record has been beaten, as a Danish arcade champ warped past Neptune and Saturn for over 49 hours.
Kim "Kanonarm" Köbke is the name of the new champion, who blasted to 62,200,250 points after 49 hours, 16 minutes of continuous gameplay. His game came to a close just after 8 a.m. Eastern time on Monday, March 24.
Köbke, who had originally wanted to aim for 100 hours on a single coin, was starting to see things, according to witnesses in the arcade. They had considered stopping the new champ at the 50 hour mark when he lost his final ship.
Gyruss, which was released by Konami in 1983, has often been described as a combination of Namco classic Galaga and Atari's Tempest. The previous world record of 47,024,400 points had stood since 1987.
Köbke's attempt was streamed live on Twitch from Denmark's Chassis Arcade and was played on an original Gyruss arcade machine.
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Just got curious. If Android is based on a modified Linux Kernel and its source code is closed, doesn't it violate the terms of GPL2, that GPL-derivatives must also supply their source code, "Liberty or Death"? :)
closed as off topic by jw013, jasonwryan, Gilles, phunehehe, uther Oct 11 '12 at 11:48
Questions on Unix & Linux Stack Exchange are expected to relate to Unix or Linux within the scope defined by the community. Consider editing the question or leaving comments for improvement if you believe the question can be reworded to fit within the scope. Read more about reopening questions here.If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question.
Android's source code is released by Google under open source licenses, although most Android devices ultimately ship with a combination of open source and proprietary software, including proprietary software developed and licensed by Google.
Open source part (http://source.android.com/) is licensed under Apache Software License, Version 2.0 ("Apache 2.0"), but with exceptions, for example, the Linux kernel patches are under the GPLv2 license and Google does not violate it.
While Google is following the letter of the GPL and LGPL licenses for code it is using in Android, other vendors that are using Android and are presumably modifying that kernel code are not compliant with these licenses.


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Medina County residents can get rid of major appliances at no cost next week during the county's annual Spring Appliance Roundup.
The service is free and there will be no charge for removing refrigerants, according to Deborah Haumesser, facilities manager of the Medina County Recycling Center.
"You get 'em here and we'll take care of it from there," Haumesser said.
The appliances can be dropped off at two locations:
• 6 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Monday, April 7, through Friday, April 11, and 8 a.m. to 2 p.m., Saturday, April 12, at the Solid Waste Management District's Central Processing Facility, 8700 Lake Road, Westfield Township.
• Also 8 a.m. to 2 p.m., Saturday, April 12, at the Plum Creek County Sanitary Engineers Plant, 2417 Plum Creek Parkway, Brunswick.
Haumesser said the Spring Roundup can mean substantial savings for residents needing to dispose of appliances containing refrigerants, such as refrigerators, freezers, air conditioners and dehumidifiers.
While some appliances, including washing machines, dryers, dishwasher, stoves and hot water heaters, are accepted at the Recycling Center throughout the year, those with refrigerants are taken only during the spring and fall roundups because they require special handling, according to federal law.
Normally residents mush to take those appliances to recovery services.
"The average cost for them to drain refrigerants is usually $45 and up," she said.
Haumesser said recycling used appliances not only lessens the load on landfills, it also returns a valuable resource to Ohio industries. That's because about 75 percent of major appliances is steel, which is the most recycled material in America.
For more information, contact the Solid Waste District at (330) 769-1273, ext.101, or (800) 968-7273, or visit www.recyclemediacounty.com.
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A New York City parolee, who is on trial for allegedly gunning down a Nassau County police officer and killing another man, cried out for help and screamed he was shot just minutes before he was arrested, witnesses at his trial testified Wednesday.
Prosecutors have alleged Darrell Fuller had a friend shoot him in the arm in what they've described as his attempt to appear as the victim of a deranged gunman on the loose. Fuller, 34, of St. Albans, is accused of fatally shooting Nassau County Police Officer Arthur Lopez during a traffic stop on Oct. 23, 2012 and then killed Raymond Facey, 58, of Brooklyn, during an alleged carjacking nearby. A massive manhunt ended when Fuller was found shot on 111th Avenue near 173rd Street in Jamaica.
A neighbor on 111th Avenue, Mildred Means, testified Wednesday that she was in her home around 6 p.m. when she heard a "pop" and went to the window to check it out. "I saw somebody lying there on the ground yelling for help," she told jurors. "He said, 'Help. Help me.'" Means said she called police and within minutes saw a swarm of officers arriving. "It seemed like they came out of the sky," she said. Means also testified that she never saw the man's face and that her "vision was obstructed by the SWAT team and the police" once they arrived.
Another witness, Radcliffe Murray, also testified that he was on the same block and heard a man screaming he needed help and then yelling he had been shot. Murray, a construction worker, told jurors he was picking up a television from a friend's house when he "heard someone crying out for help." He said he approached a minivan that was parked behind his pickup truck and saw a man crawling out of the side door. "After a while, he said, 'I got shot." Murray said he called 911 and then waited across the street for police to arrive, but when officers showed up, the man was all the way out of the van and lying in the street.
NYPD Officer Michael Boyle testified that he had been briefed at the beginning of his 3 p.m. shift that cops were hunting for Darrell Fuller, who at that point, was being sought for the double homicide. When Boyle received a call around 6:30 p.m. on the police radio for a man shot, he rushed to the scene on 111th Avenue and found a man slumped outside a minivan, which had the doors open and the music blaring, he said. He said the man wouldn't answer questions about what happened or who shot him, but identified himself as Darrell Fuller. "I immediately reached for his hands and handcuffed him," the cop said.
Fuller was later taken to Jamaica Hospital and treated for his injuries before being released to face arraignment. He has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder, robbery and weapons charges. Testimony in his trial continues next week.


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Questions at the NetBeans Booth at Tech Days Buenos Aires
By Roman Strobl on X 25, 2006
The number one topic people were interested when talking about NetBeans in Buenos Aires is the upcoming Visual Web Pack. I got questions like "Can you show me that tool which looks like Visual Studio for Java?". So here are some answers about the so called "Visual Studio for Java":
Q: Visual Web Pack looks great, where can I get it?
A: You can't... at the moment. You will be able to get it as preview in few days, on October 30th (next Monday) from the new homepage of netbeans.org. If you can't wait for Visual Web Pack, you can still get Java Studio Creator 2 which provides most of this functionality, but as a separate product.
Q: Is it the same as Java Studio Creator 2 Update 1 or are there any differences?
A: The main difference is that you can use Java SE 5 and Java EE 5 in Visual Web Pack, new features of the NetBeans editor introduced in versions past NB 4.1 and you can deploy to other application servers, including Tomcat. The bad news is that there is no visual databinding for JAX-WS Web Services and EJB 3.0 yet, but it's in the works. Given the simplicity of Java EE 5 it is easy to use to propagate the data, so no big deal.
Q: Which databases are supported in Visual Web Pack?
A: Any JDBC-compliant database is supported. I've shown demos with Derby and MySQL, but you can use other databases, as long as they provide a JDBC driver.
Q: Can I use other JSF components than those which are available in the default palette?
A: Yes, you can, there are components provided from Sun and from many other companies. Some of these are free, some of them are commercial.
Q: Does it mean that Java Studio Creator will go away?
A: Future roadmap of Java Studio Creator is still being discussed, it is possible that it will continue to exist. By using NetBeans + Visual Web Pack you can make sure to have access to the latest and greatest features.
Q: What will be the price of Visual Web Pack. Will the first release be opensource?
A: The price will be zero, the pack will be available for free for download from netbeans.org. It won't be opensource at the very beginning but we'll be working on opensourcing it as soon as possible, similarly as with the rest of the packs which haven't been opensourced yet. Mobility, Enterprise and C/C++ pack are opensource now. Profiler and Visual Web Pack will be opensourced in the future. Sun is very committed to provide developer tools for no cost and in opensource.
Q: Why does Sun do this? Why do you provide all developer tools for free?
A: Because we love the developers :) Seriously, Sun provides tools for free to gain adoption and drive developer preference to Sun software, hardware, services and support. NetBeans provides an entry point to Sun technology stack and we want developers to be happy with our tools, so we'll continue creating revolutionary tools like Matisse for all types of development. We make sure that NetBeans supports latest standards and works the best with the rest of Sun software. Sun provides paid services such as developer assistance, trainings, certifications, etc., so Sun actually makes some money on NetBeans.
Q: It looks like that NetBeans with all the packs rather competes with WSAD (or RAD) than with Eclipse, which doesn't provide such advanced features. Am I right?
A: Yes, NetBeans + all the packs provides most features of Rational Application Developer and in many areas even more than RAD. The important difference is that NetBeans + it's packs are available at no cost and in opensource (partially now, but will be all opensourced). Another difference is focus on usability, clean UI, performance and NetBeans adheres to Java standards, uses no proprietary code and works on all platforms with similar performance (because it uses Swing).
Q: When will you add visual binding for EJB 3.0 and JAX-WS to Visual Web Pack?
A: The plan is to provide these features together with NetBeans 6.0 and thus reach complete alignment.
Q: Will I be able to build Rich Internet Applications with Visual Web Pack?
A: Yes, you will be able to use AJAX JSF components to deliver richer UIs than traditional web applications.
Q: Will Visual Web Pack support facelets?
A: Certainly not in the first release. However you can get a plug-in for non-visual facelets support in NetBeans.
Q: Will I be able to use Visual Web Pack for existing applications?
A: No, similarly as in Java Studio Creator you need to start building the applications with this tool. Future release should have better support for importing web applications.
Q: Can I edit the JSF code behind the visual tool?
A: Absolutely, bi-directional editing is supported.
Q: Can I use the older versions of J2EE with Visual Web Pack and deploy to Tomcat?
A: Yes, you can use J2EE 1.4 and deploy to servers such as Tomcat. The IDE makes sure that all necessary JSF libraries are deployed with the application. You only need to add your database library to your Tomcat installation.
Q: Can I debug web applications created with Visual Web Pack and deployed to Tomcat?
A: Yes, it works (I tried it when I was asked this question - I had no idea this actually works :) Just add a breakpoint and you can debug easily.
Q: Can I handle navigation in a visual way with Visual Web Pack?
A: Yes, there is a visual tool where you can specify links instead of writing the XML file. It uses the same library for visualization as Mobility Pack.
Q: Can I open a project created in Java Studio Creator in the upcoming Visual Web Pack?
A: You need to be using Java Studio Creator 2 Update 1 and these projects should be openable with Visual Web Pack without any hassle.
Q: Can I edit SQL queries which Visual Web Pack uses to bind data?
A: Yes, you can, there is a visual tool for working with SQL. If you do queries over multiple tables, the foreign keys are detected automatically when creating complex queries.
Q: Is there any support for CSS and Javascript?
A: There is a nice editor for CSS with code completion and other goodies. There is no Javascript editor, but you can install the Javascript module from Nicolas Desy to add support for it. We will provide full-blown Javascript support in NetBeans 6.0.
Q: I really like what I see in NetBeans, but the editor is kind of clumsy and doesn't have the features from my favorite IDE and it's also slower. Do you plan any improvements?
A: Yes, better editor is priority #1 for next version of NetBeans - version 6. New editing features including a more performant infrastructure have been just commited to trunk and you'll be able to test them in Milestone 5 of NetBeans 6. See this document for details.
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At the end of their first week as dental students, the incoming class is ready for a treat. Alumni volunteer their time to provide students with a home-cooked meal of cioppino (San Francisco's famous fish stew), pasta and salad, compliments of the Alumni Association. Alumni and several members of the faculty and administration will be on hand to serve the meal.
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