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Ashes: Teenage debutant Ashton Agar scores 98 to swing momentum of first Ashes Test back in Australia's favour
- From: The Daily Telegraph
- July 12, 2013
TEENAGE debutant Ashton Agar has written himself into Ashes folklore with a spectacular innings of drama and tragedy that has completely changed the momentum of the first Test at Trent Bridge.
Records tumbled as the 19-year-old spinner was caught in the deep for 98 attempting to become the first number 11 in history to score a century.
He made the highest score ever by the last batsman, propelling Australia to 280, an unthinkable lead of 65 on the second day.
However the reality of his front line trade as a spinner will be challenged by England on day three as the home side attempts to build a match-winning total.
England will resume on Friday on 2-80, an overall lead of 15 with three days to play and Agar yet to take a wicket in the match.
After finishing with 0-24 from seven overs in the first innings he had 0-29 from nine overs at stumps on day two.
England was in trouble at 2-11 in its second innings after Mitchell Starc claimed wickets in successive balls to be on a hat-trick at tea.
Joe Root (5) was caught behind down the leg side and Jonathan Trott (0) went unhappily for a first ball duck after he was given out leg before wicket on review.
Trott appeared to believe he hit the ball and umpire Aleem Dar originally gave him not out.
Agar and Phil Hughes (81 not out) had the highest last-wicket partnership ever made in Test cricket, 163.
Standing on the brink of history, Agar pulled yet another short ball from Stuart Broad straight to Graeme Swann at deep mid-wicket, who tumbled to take the catch.
The amazing partnership was more than all of their team mates had contributed collectively.
Agar joined Hughes with Australia in tatters at 9-117, still 98 behind England's first innings total of 215.
The complexion of the match would be very different if England had been awarded a very tight stumping attempt off Agar when he was just six and Australia 9-131.
England's players had began to leave the field when video umpire Marais Erasmus eventually gave Agar not out.
Only one other player has managed a half century on debut batting at number 11, South Africa's Pat Symcox against Australia in Adelaide 15 years ago.
Agar did not play first class cricket until January but it was obvious he could bat. In 10 first class matches he had already scored three half-centuries with a top score of 71 not out and an average of 34.
The left-hander was clearly annoyed early in his innings when Hughes refused a second run because he wanted to keep the strike.
England should be used to big scores by tail-enders. The previous highest score by a number 11, 95, came from West Indian Tino Best at Edgbaston last year.
Agar's delightful sixes from spinner Graeme Swann were hit down the ground with a full and flowing swing of the bat. This tall and languid kid clearly has talent at more than just spin bowling.
When he hooked Steven Finn for a second four Agar had rocked to 39, passing Hughes.
Agar's batting reflects just how poorly the team played against quality bowling.
There were six single figure scores in the innings including three ducks.
Smith wasted a wonderful opportunity to make a big score, prompting a catastrophic Australian collapse after resuming at 4-75.
The busy right-hander's demise, caught behind driving at Jimmy Anderson, brought enormous grief as Australia lost 5-9 in 32 balls.
Anderson claimed 3-5 in 11 balls for figures of 5-85 and became England's highest wicket taker at Trent Bridge.
Originally published as Agar's Ashes debut for the ages
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ken crompton of ASHMORE Posted at 10:48 AM July 12, 2013
Now lets see the rest of the Australian team do the same instead of bringing more shame on their heads. A brilliant young player should go further wish him the best of luck - But not under the coach they have at the moment He doesn't want to follow this fools previous antics and behaviour. The team can learn a lot from this young bloke.
scopes of melbourne Posted at 10:01 AM July 12, 2013
As much as I think it was a one for the ages innings. This kid will be a star, but lets not downplay or forget Hughes innings here. It is a coming of ages for this young man. He could have given his wicket away, playing rash or impulsive shots. He stayed in there as the anchor. He now makes Cowan expendable I think. I think Agar should be considered a allrounder in the near future but lets not put any pressure on him. He could be batting above Haddin at this rate.
Makes me proud to be Aussie Posted at 9:42 AM July 12, 2013
What an unbelievable young man. So talented and so humble. Congratulations!! Our other sportspeople could certainly learn much from him - this is how a true Aussie sportsman behaves.


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The recent theft at Joel Osteen's church has snowballed into a huge online debate about the money that this megachurch rakes in. It has also added more fuel to the fire that the tax exempt status for churches should be abolished.
While the theft of Osteen's church money is a crime that is still unsolved, the church has offered a reward of $25,000 leading to any clues provided in this mystery today. Law enforcement isn't any closer to solving this crime that netted the thief $600,000, according to the Christian Post on March 24.
While Osteen's church being burglarized was a headline story, it was the amount of money that was taken from the church that took on a storyline all of its own. This opened a heated online debate with two distinct sides forming on the subject of this megachurch and the money it rakes in.
The thief or thieves got away with the proceeds of a weekend's worth of donations from people who actually attended the church. The megachurch boasts a congregation of 45,000 followers who are "heartbroken" that funds were stolen from the church.
The $600,000 take included cash, checks and envelopes that contained written credit card information. This was collected from people who attended the church in person on Saturday March 8 and Sunday March 9. This $600,000 doesn't include any of the money that was donated online or through the mail to this church for those two days.
When reporting the theft something else occurred. Instead of hearing a good chunk of money was stolen from Osteen's church people saw $600,000 collected over the course of two days as an astronomical amount of money. All over the nation calculators came out to find the estimated numbers of what a year's worth of weekends would net this church in money.
The very loose figure came out to be $32 million, just from the collection inside the church alone. This didn't include the television proceeds, online donations, mailed-in donations, sales of books and earnings from Osteen's tours. While Osteen is one of the more respected megachurch preachers, people still couldn't wrap their heads around that amount of money being collected by the church.
This caused a heated debate online with two completely polarized camps on this subject. People took the stand that this megachurch costs big bucks to run and that it offers help to thousands of people each year.
Others took the stand that this is what the megachurches are all about, making money. These folks suggested that the money is for the elite few and not the congregation. This is one of the bigger complaints heard by the folks commenting on a previous article:
Joel Osteen's church theft opens can of worms: Jaws drop as folks do the math
Many people brought up the controversial subject of churches being tax exempt. The argument to take this status away from all churches was strong and made by many who commented on the large sum of money taken in the church theft. In all fairness, Osteen's church is only one out of many churches from many religions to rake in huge sums of money. It could have been any megachurch reporting a theft that would have started this debate.
Osteen's net worth is reported at $40 million dollars. He gave up his $200,000 a year salary from the church, as it was a small amount of money in comparison to what his position has allowed him to make. This was just a pittance in comparison of his growing wealth from his books and his sold-out tours, which generated about $55 million.
Osteen is credited for once saying that an individual should not feel guilty for accumulating material wealth, instead he needs to thank and praise God for the acquired, according to Celebrity Networth.
One might say that a more appropriate ending to not feeling guilty about wealth would be to go out and share it with those less fortunate. Are the church and Osteen two separate entities when it comes to finances?
As far as the tax exempt status for the churches in the U.S., maybe it is time for that archaic rule to be pulled. The tax exempt rule came along with separation of church and state. Tax exempt usually goes to non-profit organizations that need to jump through many more hoops than a church does for this status.
Would you describe Osteen's church as non-profit? Would you describe the Catholic Church as non-profit with their prime real estate holdings around the world? According to the Freedom From Religion Foundation, the "IRS favoritism to churches goes unaddressed and it leads to power abuse," but every time this has been challenged in the past, it is found as "constitutional." They also say that in any given city, one quarter to one half of the property is tax exempt, mostly from churches and schools.
In the above video, Joel Osteen addresses his critics who believe the church is all about money.


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* Children speaking up about crime, abuse: study - 1 messages, 1 author
* The Media Winter 2010 flu vaccine drive - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Children speaking up about crime, abuse: study
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Date: Mon, Jan 3 2011 7:52 pm
From: "email@example.com"
Children speaking up about crime, abuse: study (2011-01-03)
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Children are increasingly stepping forward and
telling school officials, doctors and the police when they have been
the victims of crime or abuse, U.S. researchers said on Monday. A
telephone survey of more than 4,500 U.S. children and teens done in
2008 found that nearly half who experienced violence, abuse or crime
told someone at school, the police or a doctor or nurse. That compares
with 25 percent of cases in a similar study done in 1992, David
Finkelhor of the University of New Hampshire and colleagues reported
in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine....
More than 58 percent of the children and teens said they had been
personally victimized at least once in the past year. This included
bullying but did not include witnessing crime, such as domestic
Nearly 46 percent said they had informed authorities of the
victimization. This was especially true of more serious problems. For
example, authorities had been told about 69 percent of the cases of
sexual abuse by a known adult.
But children also spoke up about other problems, with 51.5 percent
telling someone about emotional bullying, 48 percent telling someone
about neglect and 47 percent telling authorities about a theft....
"That 58.3 percent of the children and adolescents in the study sample
reported at least one direct victimization incident within the past
year speaks to the enormity of the problem of victimization
experienced by children and adolescents in our society," Drs. Andrea
Gottsegen Asnes and John Leventhal of Yale University School of
Medicine in Connecticut wrote in a commentary in the same journal.
TOPIC: The Media Winter 2010 flu vaccine drive
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 6:53 am
From: mainframetech
On Jan 3, 6:55 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
> > <snip>
> The seasonal flu wasn't around at the time. Influenza typically occurs
> during the winter months and tapers off to zero in the spring.
"Sporadic cases of influenza and localized summer outbreaks from
seasonal influenza viruses are detected each summer"
From: http://www2a.cdc.gov/han/archivesys/ViewMsgV.asp?AlertNum=00316
You may think seasonal flu 'typically' occurs in the winter, the
quote above is from the CDC pointing out that outbreaks can occur in
the summer. And that's the CDC...who you rely on for good reporting.
They say it's not 'zero' in the summer. So summer time may not only
display outbreaks of seasonal flu, the CDC also says that "influenza-
like Flu" ('ILI') can occur in the summer too.
> > Two of the camps even said they were waiting to find out if it
> > was SwineFlu, so we can't count them. The other one said it WAS Swine
> > Flu. Which as they have said is a mild flu and of little harm to
> > young, healthy people.
> Except that a lot of young, healthy people died from it.
That's a statement that you made here. I disagree, but we're both
just typing aren't we? If the H1N1 numbers were faked, as the CDC
admits, then the numbers of 'young' (what is 'young', 23-24?) people
have been exaggerated and you are helping to generate more fear
needlessly just the way the CDC is doing.
> The vast majority of deaths in the US were of adults under 65.
That's nice that you think that and have typed it for us. If it were
true, we might wonder if the dead victims were around 64. Easy to
find an article to agree with that age group, but most articles use
the CDC as a source...and we know how faulty their numbers are.
> Based on the information available at the time, WHO and the CDC acted
> appropriately. It was not known how deadly the virus was or whether it
> would mutate to a more deadly virus, like one that killed millions in 1918.
Based on information available at the time, they did exactly as the
drug industry wanted them to do. The CDC knew on Aug. 30th,2009 that
the deaths were minimal and that it was NOT a deadly virus, but were
already caught up in having given the warning of a 'pandemic' which
WHO itself knew had been 'redefined' so that WHO and member nations
could call it a 'pandemic'.
The new definition was looser and would fit in almost any situation.
So that a 'pandemic' could be declared and especially the U.S.
authorities could force the payment of huge amounts of money to buy an
old style vaccine that was of the same formulation as the much earlier
'Swine Flu' the U.S. had that also was a big nothing.
That particular vaccine had problems with neural damage (guillain-
Barre Syndrome and others) and other side effects, and the more
current version had the same defects...of course, since it was a
vaccine for a 'pandemic' there were certain laws in place completely
absolving all drug makers from liability for any damage from their old
> And they did the right thing. That particular virus proved to be deadly
> in 1000s of cases.
LOL! Wait a minute...:) Are you still using the admittedly faulty
numbers of deaths from the CDC? I will use the term 'hundreds' of
deaths, which is less than seasonal flu. Now my numbers are from the
CBS news coverage that was researched and that had the real work done
to collect the numbers from the states without lumping things
together. Probably far more correct.
> What would a parent want them to do? Say, "We have an outbreak of a
> flu-like illness, and, even though it shows the same symptoms of the
> influenza that has been reported to the authorities in Mexico as having
> killed 100s of people, we decided that we can't prove what it is. When
> the kids don't have a fever anymore, we will let them play again."
I'm not having a problem with some camps closing down because they
were afraid of a 'pandemic' virus that had been touted as a killer and
a scourge around the Earth. I'm pointing out that first: the
authorities were fooled into thinking it was a terrible scourge, and
second: that you would use the phony numbers that the camp
authorities used to say that it was a terrible Flu.
> Good move. The virus spreads easily.
So does the seasonal flu, which had more victims that the H1N1.
> And not immune to it before they get it or a similar virus. In this
> case, similar viruses have not been in circulation for decades.
True. They spend a couple days achy and feverish. Only those with
serious health issues had anything to worry about, but there is not
clear evidence that the costly flu vaccine was efficacious to any
degree. Trouble is, now this year they are selling an even more
costly vaccine that has the H1N1 vaccine mixed with the seasonal flu
vaccine. While the seasonal vaccine was relatively harmless, the H1N1
had some serious side effects that hurt some people unnecessarily. I
believe folks would be better off keeping up their levels of Vitamin
'D' than taking a chance with the H1N1 vaccine.
> > It's all baloney. Scare everyone with talk of 'pandemic' then watch
> > as they run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Then
> > record that WHOLE camps had to ciose becasue of Swine Flu. Pfaah.
> I guess you never watched a kid die from an infection. Sadly, I have.
I've seen my share of death. That emotional ploy doesn't work when
you apply it to H1N1, the 'mild' flu virus. Here's a quote from your
beloved CDC:
"Most people with 2009 H1N1 have had mild illness and have not needed
medical care or antiviral drugs and the same is true of seasonal flu."
From: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/sick.htm
We should be more concerned about diseases like cancer, Malaria and
similar ones that affect large numbers of people instead of a few
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 4 2011 2:46 pm
From: dr_jeff
On 1/4/11 9:53 AM, mainframetech wrote:
> On Jan 3, 6:55 pm, dr_jeff<u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>> The seasonal flu wasn't around at the time. Influenza typically occurs
>> during the winter months and tapers off to zero in the spring.
> "Sporadic cases of influenza and localized summer outbreaks from
> seasonal influenza viruses are detected each summer"
> From: http://www2a.cdc.gov/han/archivesys/ViewMsgV.asp?AlertNum=00316
> You may think seasonal flu 'typically' occurs in the winter, the
> quote above is from the CDC pointing out that outbreaks can occur in
> the summer. And that's the CDC...who you rely on for good reporting.
> They say it's not 'zero' in the summer. So summer time may not only
> display outbreaks of seasonal flu, the CDC also says that "influenza-
> like Flu" ('ILI') can occur in the summer too.
This was far more than "sporadic cases of influenza" or "localized
summer outbreaks."
>>> Two of the camps even said they were waiting to find out if it
>>> was SwineFlu, so we can't count them. The other one said it WAS Swine
>>> Flu. Which as they have said is a mild flu and of little harm to
>>> young, healthy people.
>> Except that a lot of young, healthy people died from it.
> That's a statement that you made here. I disagree, but we're both
> just typing aren't we? If the H1N1 numbers were faked, as the CDC
> admits, then the numbers of 'young' (what is 'young', 23-24?) people
> have been exaggerated and you are helping to generate more fear
> needlessly just the way the CDC is doing.
Between 18 and 65.
>> The vast majority of deaths in the US were of adults under 65.
> That's nice that you think that and have typed it for us. If it were
> true, we might wonder if the dead victims were around 64. Easy to
> find an article to agree with that age group, but most articles use
> the CDC as a source...and we know how faulty their numbers are.
I don't find their numbers faulty at all.
>> Based on the information available at the time, WHO and the CDC acted
>> appropriately. It was not known how deadly the virus was or whether it
>> would mutate to a more deadly virus, like one that killed millions in 1918.
> Based on information available at the time, they did exactly as the
> drug industry wanted them to do.
They did exactly what they should have done for public health. Period.
> The CDC knew on Aug. 30th,2009 that
> the deaths were minimal and that it was NOT a deadly virus, but were
> already caught up in having given the warning of a 'pandemic' which
> WHO itself knew had been 'redefined' so that WHO and member nations
> could call it a 'pandemic'.
And they weren't able to predict how the influenza season would proceed
or if there would be a big outbreak in the winter, too.
> The new definition was looser and would fit in almost any situation.
That's on purpose. It is more important to get all the cases so that if
there were an outbreak, it would be picked up quickly and action taken,
like closing schools.
> So that a 'pandemic' could be declared and especially the U.S.
> authorities could force the payment of huge amounts of money to buy an
> old style vaccine that was of the same formulation as the much earlier
> 'Swine Flu' the U.S. had that also was a big nothing.
Wrong. It is not the same formulation. It specific for the H1N1 virus
that was going around. There is a big difference between them.
> That particular vaccine had problems with neural damage (guillain-
> Barre Syndrome and others) and other side effects, and the more
> current version had the same defects...of course, since it was a
> vaccine for a 'pandemic' there were certain laws in place completely
> absolving all drug makers from liability for any damage from their old
> formula.
The alternative was that little or no vaccine was distributed and
risking the lives of many people.
Although there was no reason to suspect that the new H1N1 vaccine would
cause neurological damage, careful studies were done to make sure that
no neurological damage was occurring.
>> And they did the right thing. That particular virus proved to be deadly
>> in 1000s of cases.
> LOL! Wait a minute...:) Are you still using the admittedly faulty
> numbers of deaths from the CDC?
I am looking back at the information available at the time.
> I will use the term 'hundreds' of
> deaths, which is less than seasonal flu.
You can use the term tens of deaths, too. Nonetheless, thousands of
people died in the US and thousands more outside the US.
> Now my numbers are from the
> CBS news coverage that was researched and that had the real work done
> to collect the numbers from the states without lumping things
> together. Probably far more correct.
> http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5405872n&tag=contentMain;contentBody
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/21/cbsnews_investigates/main5404829.shtml
Although this shows is that those who were diagnosed with probably flu
didn't have it. So what? Does this affect the number of people who died
and were diagnosed with the flu?
If so, show it.
>> What would a parent want them to do? Say, "We have an outbreak of a
>> flu-like illness, and, even though it shows the same symptoms of the
>> influenza that has been reported to the authorities in Mexico as having
>> killed 100s of people, we decided that we can't prove what it is. When
>> the kids don't have a fever anymore, we will let them play again."
> I'm not having a problem with some camps closing down because they
> were afraid of a 'pandemic' virus that had been touted as a killer and
> a scourge around the Earth. I'm pointing out that first: the
> authorities were fooled into thinking it was a terrible scourge, and
> second: that you would use the phony numbers that the camp
> authorities used to say that it was a terrible Flu.
With over 2000 Americans killed, it was terrible. If you think 2000
Americans killed is ok, go ahead.
>> Good move. The virus spreads easily.
> So does the seasonal flu, which had more victims that the H1N1.
Most of the seasonal flu victims were old. The H1N1 influenza killed
mostly younger people, less than 50 years old. Big difference.
>> And not immune to it before they get it or a similar virus. In this
>> case, similar viruses have not been in circulation for decades.
> True. They spend a couple days achy and feverish.
Except for over 2000 in the US who died and thousands more around the world.
> Only those with
> serious health issues had anything to worry about,
Wrong. Influenza killed healthy young adults and kids, too.
> but there is not
> clear evidence that the costly flu vaccine was efficacious to any
> degree.
Try again:
> Trouble is, now this year they are selling an even more
> costly vaccine that has the H1N1 vaccine mixed with the seasonal flu
> vaccine. While the seasonal vaccine was relatively harmless, the H1N1
> had some serious side effects that hurt some people unnecessarily.
Evidence that this is the case, please.
> believe folks would be better off keeping up their levels of Vitamin
> 'D' than taking a chance with the H1N1 vaccine.
You can believe that the moon is made of cheese. However, you would be
wrong both times.
>>> It's all baloney. Scare everyone with talk of 'pandemic' then watch
>>> as they run around like chickens with their heads cut off. Then
>>> record that WHOLE camps had to ciose becasue of Swine Flu. Pfaah.
>> I guess you never watched a kid die from an infection. Sadly, I have.
> I've seen my share of death. That emotional ploy doesn't work when
> you apply it to H1N1, the 'mild' flu virus. Here's a quote from your
> beloved CDC:
> "Most people with 2009 H1N1 have had mild illness and have not needed
> medical care or antiviral drugs and the same is true of seasonal flu."
> From: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/sick.htm
> We should be more concerned about diseases like cancer, Malaria and
> similar ones that affect large numbers of people instead of a few
> hundred.
> Chris
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