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"Hey Markco,
I wanted to ask you about something I've got mixed up in with the greedy goblin.
A guild mate of mine directed me to his main page branding me as "moron of the week" informing me that I was a moron for attempting to explain to this "Jason" on my server why he shouldn't undercut glyphs by 40% (the conversation with Flamybank, who is me).
This person would go down to 11g on ~20g glyphs that I had listed throughout the day. When I went to go check on them, I didn't expect for the price to be as low as it was. Spirestone has four players on it who habitually undercut on glyphs regardless of their price. Several others had undercut his 11g, he undercut again to 5g, and believe it or not, three others had brought it down to 3g per glyph, this particular case being the popular Glyph of Judgement. I believe he's citing his piece about inelastic demand and supply as the source for me being a "moron," because dogmatically, higher prices = higher profits = more sellers (according to his blog). This is definitely not the case on my server, as these four individuals don't seem to mind undercutting to 2 or 3g on important raiding or PvP glyphs.
My only strategy for attempting to sell glyphs in such a market defined by "geniuses" who think everyone else are "morons" is to attempt to sell them as high as possible and hope that players needing the glyphs will go to the auction house while mine are the cheapest. I do post these only at prime hours. I've had conversations with many people on the matter, particularly what they believe a fair price is for a glyph and the herb supply on my server. In my surveying, I have found no reason to believe that individuals are turned away by a 20g price tag for a glyph, nor have I found any reason to believe there is a shortage of ink supply for these four players.
I apologize for the lengthy e-mail, but I was hoping you'd be able to shed some insight on my situation. Frankly I'm quite offended to be publically listed as a moron when very few people are aware of the greater picture (my server's dynamics) and read his blog with a dogmatic knowledge of "right" and "wrong."
Thank you for your time :)
It's suggestion box friday, so how would you handle this?
I'll give my response, then you guys as a community take a crack at it.
First off, they are mocking you because they are undercutting you and still making money and they really don't care how far they undercut as long as they make a sale. To them they are winners whether you whine or do not, so therefore they don't care what you have to say. If you want to win, then you need to compete with them. Start selling the two ink types themselves, armor vellums, weapon vellums, offhand weapons, cards, and glyphs that are discoverable. This is what I do and I make an easy 500-1400 gold every day.
What you posted to the person screenshotting your conversation was actually a viable way to deal with the situaion. You could also offer to buy his glyphs up every day and relist them. In the end though these players only really hurt themselves. They compete with each other down to the wire and scrape up a small fraction of the profit they could make sharing the market and diversifying. Be smarter than them and expand into the other ways to make money with inscription. Also look into all the other ways you can make money on the auction house; never ever stick to one market/profession.
"Hey Markco,
22 comments: on "I'm Drowning in Undercutters... Help! (Suggestion Box Friday)"
debussy said... December 4, 2009 at 8:20 AM
How do you explain a moron, exactly why he is one. That's a tough one. Maybe because he pays for a stack of herbs less than he expects to sell a single glyph for? How does somebody expect to not get undercut at 20g/glyph.
I agree with marko, the inscription market is flooded on the azshara server too.
Mine, skin, herbalist, always no matter what make money.
Use Auctioneer buy a cheap stack of anything and sell one at a time for a profit.
Alchemy , Jewelcraft, and disenchant.
You have to have many dogs in the fight. Some hit , some won't. But overall you will do very well. I just bought my third epic mount since Feb 1st. Good luck!
Anonymous said... December 4, 2009 at 8:31 AM
Flamybank: "If everyone were to undercut in leaps and bounds there would be no point in trying to sell them anymore"
That's it. And then you will be out of the market.
Maybe that's what the 4 undercutters are trying to do with each other and with you!?
Mac said... December 4, 2009 at 9:05 AM
It seems as the primary purpose of the deep under-cutters is to drive the competition out of the market. In the real world this practice is called dumping and can't go on forever due to resource constraints, which isn't an issue in WoW. In fact, WoW is the ultimate free market system without any significant barriers to entry into any market or resource constraints.
The only way to compete with an under-cutter is to make their inputs too expensive to continue. Otherwise it is better to find a different market for your goods.
It also seems that a major issue with deep undercutting is that it sets the price expectation at such a low level that the idea of profit maximization for any one transaction is completely ruled out.
I use the auction house for my in game needs and typically buy only those items that I need for my toon's activities. (i.e. I'm not trying to hit the gold cap)If I see that a particular item that I frequently use is "on Sale" I will stock up for my future use and will frequently find items trading at fractions of their "normal" price and buy them out. I imagine that this behavior is common. It seems that while this benefits me it doesn't benefit the under-cutters or the traditional market players.
A lot of AH players have an ego. (I refuse to use the phrase 'epeen', oh f**k I just did, damnit!) They will undercut down to nothing because they must really believe they are winning at something.
In reality there is no measurable way to win the AH. As long as you end each day with more money then you started then you've won also. Undercutting at a loss is really loosing. Some people might see it as a way to gain market share by eliminating the competition, but bottom line is that there always be competition. If player X drives out player Y, player Z will just fill the empty spot.
In the real world selling at a loss (at times) serves a purpose. Stores having 'door buster' sales drives more people into the store. More customers equals more opprotunity for sales. The sales alone create brand recognition, and customers will associate your store with good deals, and come back. In the AH no one gives a f**k abour brand, or buying from the same seller, they just buy the cheepest item in the list. There is no need to worry about quality, customer service, or return policies. Undercutting at a loss does nothing but loose.
Bob said... December 4, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Gevlon can pretty much post whatever he wants on his blog, regardless of logic, facts, or morals.
He considers himself above everyone else and has collected a following of individuals who have bought into his line of thought.
Over time many of the smarter individuals saw his thinking as flawed (because it is), and have moved or only read his blog in a "Weekly World News"/Jerry Springer kind of way.
This has left much of his blog commentors as a mass of dimwitted socials who have no clue that they are what they hate.
So don't worry about what you look like to them.
As for your economics, time to find a new route for money-making while occasionally checking out the glyph market to see if your competition has wised up (don't hold your breath).
Bux said... December 4, 2009 at 9:24 AM
I agree with Markco with regard to diversifying. It was one of the best business decisions I ever made once more people became interested in Inscription.
Secondly, the fact of the matter is there are 2 ways to price your glyphs (at least in popularity).
1) Off of market price. This person seems to sell their glyphs at 60% of market price. That is, when yours are 20g, theirs will be listed at 12g. The funny thing is, you're in control of the market - YOU are determining the "market price" in this case. That means, you are in control of their profit margins whether they admit it or not.
2) Fixed undercutting (using QA2). This method of posting will just undercut the highest seller. This is what Gevlon refers to as an M&S, simply because he doesn't like the way they post (because it's not how HE does it). This way of posting allows for more people to be involved in the game. Bad for you, okay for the economy.
In either scenario, the key factor is that YOU are in control of the pricing as much as the next guy. In your case, it seems as though this guy is posting at market value. Solution? Make 60% of the market value not profitable for him. Or, camp the AH and repost right after he does. Obviously the second takes more effort, and I'm assuming you've already tried it. So try posting glyphs at 5g for a while. You might take a hit, but he's going to have to change his ways if he wants to make any money.
But if by then, you've diversified into JC/BS/Enchanting/Alc/whatever, you'll be okay with a little less money from inscription.
Jeff said... December 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Marko said it best for inscription and that is, it's all about niche diversification. I tried the goblin way and was a lot of work for so-so profits. I simply diversified and do much better profit-wise without 1000 auctions up.
Florentine said... December 4, 2009 at 9:28 AM
There's only so many things you can do, and I agreee with Markco that it really doesn't matter what you say as much as what you do. In markets that are saturated with pricewars/undercutters, you've got 3 very simple options to pick from(And I'm sure there are other solutions of varying simplicity as well.)
1)Diversify: If your glyphs don't sell, step away from the glyph for a bit, Keep what you have and wait for the war to end. The Glyph of Judgement(Coming from a person who raids as a paladin) is undoubtedly a valuable although rarely exchangable glyph(Few repeat customers, but many new customers). Sell some other glyphs/materials, and do what Markco suggested. It's a good tactic, because you're smart enough not to lower your own standards(And price), and oppourtunistic enough to return later when profits make sense.
2)Dominate: When reason and evasion doesn't work on the auction house, you could always try brute forcing a profit. Prove them right and show that their glyphs will sell, but to you. When you have their glyphs, repost at an increased price. The downside to this is if they have an unlimited/near unlimited supply of materials to make the glyphs with, you're likely to not get very far with this. However, if they are making glyphs with the expectation of breaking even or even possibly going into the red, this will quickly show them the error of their ways, so long as they're smart enough to pay attention to who is buying what from them.
3)Disturb: While it's not always a 'friendly' tactic, if you can figure out where they're getting their supplies from, you could always try cutting them off there. If the market is profitable enough to actually warrant doing this, you could try to undermine their supply. If they ARE getting their materials from the auction house(In this scenario, I can't believe they are and still making profit) you could buy the materials out from under them to the point where manufacturing the goods at that price is too unreasonable. At that point, what you do with the materials is up to you. I'd personally suggest suffocating the market by making something else with the materials if you plan on using this method, so you can relist your own product later. You could also relist the matierals for higher prices, if the situation presents itself as more profitable to do so.
dozenz said... December 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM
The guy is still a moron, and doubly so for responding to his outing in this way.
Someone with intelligence would not have even wasted time trying to change the mind of a frequent AH seller (if he was contacing him to offer him a deal like buying all his glyphs COD than it is different). If he is so confident about his own posting price than he shouldn't have needed "Jason" to point out the "if my prices are too low than buy them and resell" advice. Flamybank would still be making 9g profit.
Heck he should be buying all those undercut glyphs than, or contact the 4 players and buy them all COD.
So I can't give Flamybank a pat on the back and boost his confidence for pulling an idiotic move.
"If you want to win, then you need to compete with them"
There is nothing to win. Flamybank just wants to make gold and could easily continue to do it without competing, and even without contacting the other sellers.
Sure, the gobliins and the other sellers will still be making their gold, but then isn't it win-win? Flamybank gets minimum of 9g profit in this specific instance, and the Goblin and other sellers continue to keep their postings.
The others will eventually adjust if their margins are too low, but while they are that low Flamybank should be taking advantage of their lower prices.
Zeran said... December 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Well first I have to pick on you, and say you are a moron for trying to reason with the unreasonable. That being said, you should only be in one market long enough to get into another. I made enough off jc to fund enchanting which funded my inscription. Now if one tanks I'm still making money.
Finally, you have to think of why he's torching the profit margins. He wants the competition to be gone. If you MUST have the glyph market, then you must fight a long war of attrition and destroy his profit while not going bankrupt.
AlexS said... December 4, 2009 at 10:37 AM
I love it how people think that "I sell more so I win" On my server there are at least 7 different characters posting not including mine, and I got tired of fighting over "more sales" So, I let them have it. I raised my threshold from 1.5g to 3g. This way, I don't need to re-craft small profit glyphs and I won't burn myself out restocking my supplies. Another way Markco suggested to stop having people undercut to a very low point is to disrupt their sales of other things on the market. A week ago, I looked for snowfall ink sales on my server, they were going for 15-20g each. I put up a few for 10g, and now everyone is posting them at 7g.
Karl said... December 4, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Well, the GG has a legion of blind followers, spurred on by the success stories of those who follow his methods on high-pop servers. But in reality, many of his blind followers are really AH campers, because they continue to relist and undercut.
The GG wouldn't drive a glyph down to 2G in a reverse bidding war, but these morons will.
But I have to agree it's rather stupid to try to reason with them. GG has set the stage for the "outing" of anyone that anyone else feels is a AH moron.
On my server I recently gave up on inscription, and may drop it for alchemy or something. After getting about 1/2 way through learning all the glyphs, it got to the point where I was still only selling 15 or so at most in a 48-hr window, and would have 4 or more pages of glyphs coming back. There wasn't ONE glyph in my price listing with a sell price of over 15G. most were less than 1 G.
So I went back to engineering... My hunter is a miner/engineer, and I discovered that I could craft the Saronite arrows and sell a stack for ~5G, getting rid of all the "trash" saronite that I pick up doing rounds for titanium.
And I'll tell my own moron of the week story here... :-)
Last night as I was logging I see some guy spamming "wtb titanium ore 260/stack, there's none in the AH" over and over. So I cancel the logout and go check, and sure enough somone has bought out ALL the ore, even the overpriced ore. So I go ahead and post all I had (about 8 stacks) for 345/stack, and logout. As I'm shutting down, my GM tells me in vent that this dude is flaming me in trade chat "F*ck this guy, I'm not paying that price, he thinks he can charge whatever he wants because he has the only ore there..." and so on. If I hadn't already logged, I would have had a nice chat with him. :-)
Wodinn said... December 4, 2009 at 11:21 AM
I boil things down to the minimal argument in my mind: roughly how many sales did I miss because I was undercut, and how low can I set a fallback/threshold before the profits-to-time ratio drops below acceptable levels for me? I'll push much lower very quickly if I find that I'm losing a lot of sales to under-cutters and prices are still over 5g. If I go to a 5g wall and they still undercut me, that's fine. I don't have much interest in spending the time milling and crafting mass quantities of glyphs for such little profit, and they obviously value their time differently than I do.
When I started my glyph business, avg sale prices were around 25g, and sales at my 59g fallback were common. Now the main competition has set a fallback of 13g, with most glyphs selling for around 5g. Markets change, don't just bitch about it. Adapt. Crying to the competition gives them a big boost to their determination, as well as their ego.
Anonymous said... December 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM
The problem with the glyph market is that no one can constantly be on their computer so no one completely dominate the glyph market. The reason is because the barriers to entry are very low. Every scribe knows that without competition we could sell every glyph for 50g and we wouldn't see much drop in sales. The flipside is the cost to make a glyph before considering snowfall ink is 2-3g so a high competition server ensures that this is the floor price for glyphs. When I first started glyphs about 6 months ago, I tried to kill off the competition with 2g glyphs and quickly realized that it wouldn't work and that my time investment was worth more to me than the additional profits I received. That is because there is always one person on the server that is willing to drive the price lower and you need to accept that fact.
My server current has 6 scribes that are constantly undercutting each other. Since I knew I couldn't really beat them I came up with a strategy that I felt maximized profits and time. I am still making decent money but the key is have been much happier since I now have time to actually play the game.
I have always liked reading Gevlon's blog and especially enjoy the "moron" postings. But just so you know, everyone has been tempted from time to time to do exactly what you did. There is nothing more frustrating that to post 500 glyphs and realize 5 minutes later that someone just undercut you on all of them. The difference between you and them is you actually sent a post to the undercutter complaining about their practices. My suggestion is to come up with a plan, stick to it, and not worry about things you can not control.
Anonymous said... December 4, 2009 at 3:53 PM
I agree with last anon
It's already been said, but this guy needs to diversify. Gevlon's blog has pushed so many people into the glyph market. These "Goblins" think they are total geniuses just because they follow his methods. Defeating them however would take a great deal of time and gold, which the average guy probably doesn't have.
It's funny to see how the drama perpetuates through posts like this though.
Anonymous said... December 4, 2009 at 4:54 PM
There's nothing you can do except play the game. Glyphs sell for profit even without snowfall inks. You either have to do the same as them or stop all together which is what they want. I find it's best not to let your threshold drop below 3g and if you don't sell glyphs it's not a big problem because the glyph market is cylcical. Glyphs that sell for 20g one day can be down to threshold in a day or less but there will always be another glyph thats going for 20g, and if there's not there will be. Same goes for profits. Sometimes you will have a cutter killing your profits but once he gives up or reduces the time he spends at the AH your business will pick up again.
Bristal said... December 4, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Flamybank: those Goblingeeks are playing a different game. it's not about making gold, it's about power, control and humiliating the competition.
you may not have asked for it, but it found you. my advice is not to openly confront or try to reason with your competition. if you're up for the battle, read his column to understand your enemy and learn to play their game better than they do.
otherwise find yourself a friendlier niche.
Whitewolf said... December 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Just remember this addage:
When someone points at you and calls you a moron, he has one finger pointed at you and three other fingers attached to a hand that probably can't properly wipe its own butt.
Anonymous said... December 5, 2009 at 5:37 AM
I'm in a similar situation with Infinite Dust on my server, ore selling for 15g a stack dusts have been cut down to 1.60-70 each. With few people buying rare gems these days (also having more supply than demand) the old saronite shuffle has become a waste of money. Its at a point where even if you dominate (which I managed to do via alternate resource supply) the time spend getting from ore to dust would be better spent on crafting incedentals which might only sell a few a day, and only DEing with what little time left after youve filled those markets (which could take a couple of hours) In short I too agree with marko to diversify your market into more profitable areas, and then to explore other sources of mats so that you can drive them out of the market with your excess time.
Goth said... December 6, 2009 at 2:59 AM
I have done a market reset and have sold glyphs for as much as 200 gold each and undercut by 1 copper. Is this excessive or do we as a community service provider devalue our goods? How many 3 gold glyph sales can fit into one glyph that sells for 200 gold? My average glyphs sales are 40 gold each. Of course, my values are higher than yours?
I am happy to be a moron that makes over 10K a week in selling glyphs. Stupid morons like me read Gevlon's drivel for the comedy - I "learned" how to make gold by using Markco's resources.
AHAntics said... May 7, 2010 at 4:53 PM
"Be smarter than them and expand into the other ways to make money with inscription. "
This is only smart if he researches the other areas first. Odds are, if the goblins are in the glyphs, they'll also be in other things.
For the record, I would be undercutting your 20g glyph, as well. Currently, glyphs are costing me about 2g to craft, but that will drop in the near future, as I get more data on my recent return to WoW.
And yes, I'd probably follow the undercut down to 2g50s. Maybe even further. It's a big game of chicken, and eventually someone turns away.
It sounds like the emailer is upset because he has competition. That's not going to earn him any Nobel Prizes for Economics. Markco is also correct in stating that the goblins don't care what he says.
Actually, that's false. They LOVE it when you mail them, trying to cajole them into "allowing" you to keep your profits. It gives them laughing material and screenshots to send to their favorite auction house guru. Just like web forums, don't feed the trolls.
And if your costs are too high or you don't have the wherewithal to compete at close to or below zero margin, I would recommend trying to find a different market.
It's either that or out-goblin the goblins.
Either way, good luck.
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8.) Roman Gonzalez (33-0, 28 Kos) – Known as "Chocolatito," the Nicaraguan mighty mite has shown he can box or exchange bombs with most anyone. The junior flyweight has a fight set against Mexico's Gerardo Verde on May 25. It's difficult to remain among the top in the smaller weight divisions. They all have speed. Gonzalez has speed and strength. Chocolatito has amassed a strong following in the Southern California area and needs more television exposure.
9.) Danny Garcia (26-0, 16 Kos) – If his chin holds up the Philadelphia junior welterweight could eventually move into the welterweight division. But there are plenty of scraps left in the junior welterweight bar room crowd with the likes of Lamont Peterson, Lucas Matthysse and others waiting to be tested. He's only 25 but Garcia seems to be in the kind of wars that can end a career quickly. A recent win over veteran Zab Judah showed that Garcia can box, bang or beat you in a variety of ways.
10.) Abner Mares (26-0-1, 14 Kos) – Mares captured a third world title in a third weight division by knocking out two-time world champion Daniel Ponce de Leon. Two incredible feats that have suddenly placed him on this list. When he first signed a pro contract after performing in the Olympics for Mexico, not many noticed his steady rise from bantamweight to the current featherweight division. He's been tutored by various trainers who all left their imprints on his fighting style. There was Floyd Mayweather Sr., Joel Diaz, Nacho Beristain and a few others. Now Mares has Clemente Medina in his corner and has proven with wins over Vic Darchinyan, Joseph Agbeko and others that he's among the best.
11.) Nonito Donaire (30-2, 19 Kos) – The Filipino Flash had a very bad night against the talented Guillermo Rigondeaux of Cuba. But one loss doesn't mean Donaire should be dropped entirely from the list. He still packs big time wallop and dazzling speed that can enable a return to the win column in a hurry. A rematch against Rigondeaux is in order and makes sense for Donaire. It could be bigger money for both fighters. If Donaire wins, then it's a trilogy a la Rafael Marquez and Israel Vazquez. Don't count out Donaire.
12.) Manny Pacquiao (54-5-2, 38 Kos) – After losing back-to-back fights Pacman has taken a little time off. The loss to rival Juan Manuel Marquez was crushing and could mean the beginning of the end for the Filipino superstar. We shall see. Pacquiao will be fighting in Asia and it looks like Brandon "Bam Bam" Rios gets the call. We said last year that these two would be colliding and it's finally going to happen. Rios will test Pacquiao's chin and resolve.
Honorable mention:
Guillermo Rigondeaux, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Carl Froch, Gennady Golovkin, Bernard Hopkins, Vitali Klitschko, Amir Khan, Brandon Rios, Yuri Gamboa, Takashi Uchiyama.
Sergio will be 39 the next time he steps in the ring and he looked bad last time I'd put him no higher than 5. Also how is Donaire higher than the guy who dominated him a month ago? Head to head should matter.
Come on, guys! Holla before I holla! You know me! I'm down with O-P-P! Boxing is going through a weak period, apparently that list of toppers. I agree only with where Money May is placed. I strongly disagree where Tim Bradley is placed. But everybodee and dey momma are going to say that I don't like Tim. To that I say nonsense. He cannot help what destiny is serving him anymore than used-by-the-system Jim Jeffrey, or Primo Canera or any fighter targeted by haters for tar babiness. Holla!
How much did he drink before putting this list together.
It is quite horrible.
Bradley lost his last two fights and did not look good in the ring.
Gift decisions do not earn u credit.
Where is rigo? Off the map after dominating donaire?
That is a more accurate depiction.
Andre Ward should be placed now lower then #2, and I agree about Rigo, he outclassed Donaire yet he doesn't make it? Bunch of horse hockey!!! Hahaha
This list sux. Get Bradley and Guerrero out of top 10
I say the same, this is the rough draft, then pre list, them the real 10 P4P list come out.Guerrero is not even a top 10 junior welterweight...Bradley? Nonito?
David welcomes hate mail.
My list of the unfortunate tar babies of boxing. 1. James Jackson Jeffries (The cat was ridiculously forced out of a comfortable six-year retirement by racist knuckleheads of those days to come back into the game to shut up "Unforgivable Blackness" Jack Johnson and win the world heavyweight title back for "The white race." WTF! Poor 3J got his made-a-tar-baby-for-white-supremacy arse TORE UP!)
2. Max Schmeling (Poor Max S was a tar baby for the dumb-arse Adolphin -- I mean Adolf -- Hilter's hopes and beliefs of white-race superiority. "Brown Bomber" Joe Louis ripped Schmeling into pieces in less than two rounds.)
3. Primo Canera (The mafia joke and tar baby was feed a lot of stiffs until the mafia wanted to cash out. the mobsters feed the marshmallow gaint to the likes of Max Baer, Joe Louis and Leroy Haynes. They humiliated the giant of those times.
4. Julio Cesar Chavez (The great Julio Cesar Chavez had been cut in training and put on make up on his face to hide the bad cuts. The now Big Money Oscar De la Hoyas opened up the cut with his very first punch. The bout was eventually stop. No way was this fight was going to be cancelled. So thus, it was a tar-baby time for the great JCC.)
5. Tim Bradley (Dude got his arse beat in 11 rounds of 12 round by Da Manny, but the crooks that be gave the running bambi a gifted split decision. The big-footed, shoe-size 12 bambi-fighting Bradley was selected to serve as the tar baby, because the dark forces wanted to show Da Manny not to take his time coming to the squared jungle to fight, because he wanted to finish watching a basketball game on television. In Bradley's next fight, Bradley got knocked down three times -- one officially -- but the homeboy judges that be gave him a lifted decision.)
It must be something in the water in Cali. WTF! Tar baby fighters -- 3J and the Cali Cranium Crusher -- over a hundred years apart.
If you are low-batt on the brain power, look up the meaning of "Tar Baby." Holla!
Seriously how does Avila consider Bradley a top 3?????
Hey Avila I've got some land in Antarctica for sale for ya. Real affordable. Great investment.
I mean read his depiction on Bradley ?!?!
"It could have been a relatively easy fight"
Are u kidding?
Bradley got buzzed right out of the gate and didn't choose
to allow the Russian to stagger him all night.
Come on now.
Who will win the Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward fight?


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The Soul of Food vs. the Judgment of Food SoulsFebruary 4th, 2015 by Michele Payn-Knoper
We live in an era of food judgment...feed your baby organic baby food if you want to be a "good" mother, buy local if you're a "true" foodie and only invite friends to the trendiest restaurants where you can philosophize over food origins. Large is bad, small is good – in food portions, farm size, business and waistlines. Technology in food production is frowned upon. And anyone with a vested interest in the agrifood system is surely so biased that they can't be trusted.
Frankly, it's tiring. Food is food. You eat and so do I. What one family consumes does not make them superior or inferior. The same is true in farming; the way one family farms does not make them worthy of accolades or condemnation. It's about choice. And like many things in life, not everyone makes the same choices.
It seems we have moved beyond mere concern about our food to judging the soul of food – and those who consume it. What is the soul of food? For me, the soul of food has everything to do with beautiful black and white Holsteins gracing my front yard and neighborhood. The soul of food is about the people who painstakingly care for the land and animals so that you can eat. The soul of food is about the memories made around my dining room table with my family and friends.
Food perspective varies based upon position around the proverbial plate. Scientists look to facts, such as the case when Dr. Kevin Folta, University of Florida Department of Horticulture chairperson, "desconstructed" Food Babe's response to a student association. Chefs look at the soul of food as how it's going to add flavor to their creation. Economists look at data, such as Oklahoma State's food economist Dr. Jayson Lusk did when he conducted a survey finding "over 80 percent of Americans support 'mandatory labels on foods containing DNA'." (pssst…all food has DNA).
Iowa farmer and certified speaking professional Jolene Brown sums it up nicely "All types and sizes of agriculture are needed to feed and clothe our families and the world – small, local, organic, conventional and commercial. I want us to be careful not to be selfish with a personal view of food production for there is a higher calling beyond our personal wants and wishes."
In other words, don't let "judgment on food soul" trump realism in the "soul of food." Your choices are likely different than mine. A single mom trying to make ends meet has different wants than a Whole Foods follower. A dietitian concerned with a balanced diet has different food priorities than a middle aged man looking for comfort food. I don't believe any of those people have a more superior food soul. A Super Bowl ad does not make the soul of food, a celebrity sensationalizing food claims does not make the soul of food, the words on a label does not make the soul of food, nor does a diet fad. All are what I call food soul judgements.
In reality, the soul of food today is largely the same as it was fifty years ago. Food is, in fact, safer – but I recognize facts don't create the perceived soul of food. If you have a romanticized view of small family farms with crops raised by hand and animals lovingly running free while eating green grass, do some real research with those that were there sweating it out with animals in mud, pulling weeds from crops and trying to eek a living out of the land.
We've allowed judgment of individual food souls dictate the soul of food over the last decade. The soul of my food is no different than the soul of your food. Nor is the soul of our food worse than it was 50 years ago. What matters is how food takes care of a family.


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4.1.1 Procedures for the Delay or Cancellation of Classes
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- When the Seneca County Sheriff's Department and the City of Tiffin Police Department declare the roads in Seneca County and the City of Tiffin impassable and motorists are advised to stay off the roads and highways, the Dean of Students, in collaboration with the Provost, and Vice President for Administration and Business Affairs, will determine whether classes should be delayed or cancelled for that day, and if offices will be closed. The decision will be made as early as possible in order to inform employees and students.
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Faculty are granted access to a campus telephone and voice mailbox (protected by passcode) in their office. If faculty members share an office, multiple voice mailboxes will be provided. Faculty members may also access their voice mailbox from off-campus by calling the Message Center (419.448.2900).
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Emergencies should be reported by dialing "9-911." The university telephone system provides location information (e.g. /building, street address, floor) for all direct-dial extensions to the appropriate local dispatch facility when 9-911 is dialed.
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Faculty members will be provided with a university-owned personal computer and productivity software (e.g. email client, web browser, office suite, etc.) as standardized by the university. Computing hardware is replaced on a regular cycle, and standard software packages are upgraded on a regular basis.
Computing assistance is available in the university computer Center, and through the CNIT (Computer, Network & Information Technology) department. Faculty should contact the Manager of PC Operations for support of university hardware and software.
Requests for non-standard hardware and software for special academic needs, as well as requests for additional computing services, should be directed to the Director of CNIT, who will refer it to the University's Technical Advisory Group (TAG). Requests regarding the electronic publication of official University information (e.g. electronic documents, web site, etc.) should be made to the Assistant Director of CNIT and/or the Office of University Relations and Marketing Communications, as appropriate. Questions about the University's technology infrastructure, administrative data services, and campus-wide computing in general should be addressed to the Associate Director of CNIT.
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CNIT personnel serve to assist the development of department web content. Site uniformity and graphic identity are monitored by the webmaster. Faculty members are encouraged to be involved in the creative process and to help develop and maintain site content for their department(s). CNIT will provide technical assistance and serve as a conduit for content submission. Additional support is available for the development and hosting of course-related material.
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- A Travel Expense Report must be completed and approved within three business days of return to campus.
- Mileage to Arrowhead campus will be reimbursed according to the approved rate per mile. Faculty may submit expenses once per term. Related expenses would include turnpike tolls.
- Travel for other meetings, field trips, or university business may also be covered. Faculty must complete a Travel Authorization form before departing and submit a Travel Expense Report upon return, approved by the Chair/Director and Associate Dean of the University.
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Field trips are encouraged as part of the educational experience of students and faculty. However, faculty members should plan trips to cause as little conflict as possible with other classes. The Provost's office may assist with expenses on some field trips, but arrangements must be approved prior to the event. A Travel Expense Report must be filed upon return within three business days.
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Will and I were going to celebrate with a night out at 2 Michelin star restaurant The Ledbury. I had come to terms with the fact that it would be an expensive dinner, but boy, I had no idea how expensive.
Around the fourth dish of the tasting course, there were loud bangs outside. The restaurant staff was yelling at us to get away from the windows. Before I knew it, the front door, a solid piece of glass shattered and people came crashing in with hoodies, masks, and random weapons.
The looters were yelling at us to get down and throwing stuff all over the place. I got down and started taking off my wedding and engagement ring to hide somewhere, but unfortunately wasn't fast enough. One looter came up and demanded my phone. I didn't have it with me since it was in my purse and it was out of arm reach. I also didn't want to lead him to my passport, so I said I didn't have one.
He told me to take off my rings and grabbed my hand, trying to yank them off. His friend tried to help too, but the rings wouldn't come off and I just yelled at him that I'd take them off myself. In hindsight, now that I know that gun control is so fierce in England and he only had bat, I should have held on to my rings better and maybe slugged him in the face.
The kitchen staff at the Ledbury went beyond their call of duty by rushing up from the kitchen with rolling pins, fry baskets, and other dangerous kitchen tools and scared off the looters. Then they provided well-needed glasses of alcohol including champagne and whisky. When word came that the looters were coming back a second time, they ushered us into the bathrooms and told us to lock the doors. A few minutes later, they led us into the wine cellar and told us to lock ourselves in there.
Well, that was certainly a memorable dining experience. I was kind of hoping to finish the rest of my tasting menu, but all the broken glass, turned over tables, probably wasn't conducive to a nice dining environment. I was sad for the wonderful smelling cheese cart that had glass littered all over it. So much cheese gone to waste!
Guy who took my ring, I hope you put it to good use and don't just dump it in the street. Also, I hope you get a case of flaming diarrhea for the rest of your life. Ledbury staff, thanks for keeping things under control and giving me some petit fours to munch on.


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Do I need to book for Tamala?
We do prefer to receive bookings, especially to try and have someone at the homestead when you arrive.
This is not always possible as we do have other jobs to do on the station. If we are not expecting anyone, you might find yourself in front of a locked gate for a few hours.
Our office is situated opposite the shearing shed (the large building you see when you arrive at the homestead) on the verandah of the manager's cottage.
You can pull up in front of the cottage.
If you cannot see anyone, please ring the pipe bell at the beginning of the path loudly and the electronic bell left of the door.
Camping Fees and Costs Tamala Station
To get access to the beaches on either Prickly Point peninsula or Boorabuggatta, you need to come to the homestead which is on the left hand side, 3 km from the Useless Loop Road.
Check in/out is between 9am to 6pm. Sundays Closed for Arrivals.
Public Holidays : Contact the station via email or phone to organise arrival times.
If you plan leaving outside opening hours, please ask for the alternative way for return and refund of the key, when you book in.
Camping Fees as of 1 July 2016.
The cost per person per night is:
$17.00 (incl GST) ADULT
$12.10 (inc GST) PENSIONERS AND RETIREES
$9.60 (inc GST) CHILDREN 6-16
$12.00 (inc GST) DAY VISIT
There is a $50.00 deposit for the key, which you get back upon returning the key to the homestead.
EFTPOS & Credit Card Facilites are NOT available. Cash only.
Important rules
You will need to bring your own drinking water as the water available on the station is not for human consumption, but can be used for washing etc.
All rubbish needs to be either brought back to the Homestead for disposal or taken back out with you.
We do recycle drink cans for fundraising for the Useless Loop P & C, so please keep them separate.
We now also recycle GLASS, so please keep it separate from the household rubbish and put it in the Trailer next to the Rubbish Ute at the Homestead.
We do allow fires from the 1st of May to the end of September.
Bring a receptacle, like the bowl of an old washing machine to contain your fire and stay with it at all time.
An open fire ban is in place in the Shire of Shark Bay from the 1st October to the 30th of April.
"No fires are permitted during that period. A breach of this rule will result in the immediate evection of all persons staying at the offending campsite. The maximum penalty under section 32 of the act of the Bush Fires Act for a person who lights a fire under circumstances likely to injure persons or damage property is 20 years imprisonment. The law takes these offences seriously and so do we."
Collecting of wood is not permitted as it causes degradation of vegetation and removes animals' habitats.
Please bring firewood with you or ask for a small supply (FREE) at the station.
Your dog can enjoy your holiday with you. Please do not let the dog chase wildlife or stock.
Please note that Firearms and any kind of motorbike (2wheel, 3 or 4wheel) are not permitted on the property.
Jet Skis are only permitted for campers at TEA TREE.
We also ask to consider other campers when using generators.
Please leave all gates as you find them.
The front gate to the homestead needs to be closed at all times, even if you are only just driving into the homestead to drop off the key.
If you are planning to visit Steep Point during your stay at Tamala, please call 99483993, as booking is essential, even for day visits.
If you need any more information about the station, please feel free to email on firstname.lastname@example.com or call us on 08/99483994 and we will be happy to help.
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Berry arrived at her sister's house this morning.
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In today's Top 40, disappearing from the charts for even a few months can do irreparable damage to an artist's career, while all the true workaholic pop stars continue to crank out a seemingly endless stream of new music, leaving them in the dust in the process. So it's no surprise that even as Katy Perry preps "The One That Got Away," her new single off Teenage Dream—the album's sixth, for those of you keeping score at home—she should also be back in the studio, getting ready for What Happens Next in her post-Dream career.
Producer Tricky Stewart, who helmed three of the album's tracks (though none of the singles), talked to MTV about the work he and Katy are doing now. "Katy and I went into [the studio] just to address some issues with records that we had done in the past that didn't end up going on Teenage Dream," said Stewart. "So we are in the process of just listening and freshening up things and getting ready for something special she has going on." As for what that "something special" is, no one seems to know yet for certain. "I don't know what it is, but I know she has something going on because she wants to be in the studio," he said. "So that's good. … I can tell you that Katy likes the studio again; that's always a good thing." (Stewart also mentioned "Dressing Up" as one of the songs worked on, which he called "a big record…right there in what her sensibilities are as a musician and a songwriter.")
Well, Katy's already released a deluxe edition reissue for Teenage Dream—over a year ago, in fact—but we haven't seen anything about a super-deluxe edition just yet. It might be time, we're thinking.
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Of course we could be reading too much into this, but we could have a collab between Game and Jay Electonica in the near future. Maybe something for the Red Room mixtape which will be presented by DJ Skee, not Drama any longer. No word why Drama dropped off this mixtape or Jeezy's.
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In game one, the game was scoreless until the fourth inning when the Wildcats lit up the scoreboard on an Alyse Menghini home run off of Graceland's Alyssa Greenstreet.
That was the only run scored in the contest. Baker finished with four hits, as Brooke Plummer, Erin Greenwood, Mallorie Nelson and Menghini all had a hit.
Greenwood stole the show with a complete game, shut out no-hitter and stuck out nine Yellowjackets.
In game two, the Wildcats bats awoke but not until the seventh inning. Baker scored a run in the top of the first with a Nelson RBI double that scored Greenwood.
Graceland then tied the game up in the bottom of the third and both teams went scoreless in the fourth, fifth and sixth innings.
Then in the top of the seventh, the Wildcats scored three runs to shore up the victory. The scoring began on a Renata Dill double to centerfield that scored Tara Chumley. Then Greenwood followed that up with a single to left field that scored Dill.
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There were several significant events on this day between the years 1953 and 2011.
On this day in 1953 Patty Scialfa, future member of Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band, is born in Deal, New Jersey.
On this day in 1965 The Beatles' second movie, Help! premieres in London at the Pavilion Theatre, with none other than the Queen attending.
On this day in 1966 future country music crooner Martina McBride is born in Sharon, Kansas. Also on this day a U.S. magazine targeted to teenagers called Datebook creates a controversy when they reprint some of John Lennon's interview 4 months earlier in the London Evening Standard, where Lennon said, "We're more popular than Jesus now." The American media jumps on the quote and turns it into a major story.
On this day in 1967 The Doors' "Light My Fire" hits number one.
On this day in 1968 The Beatles record "Hey Jude."
On this day in 1970 The Rolling Stones' contract with Decca expires. The band leaves notorious manager Allen Klein and they deliver one final song to the label to fulfill its obligation, the famously unreleasable "C*cksucker Blues" (aka Schoolboy Blues).
On this day in 1972 Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Alone Again (Naturally)" hits number one.
On this day in 1978 The Village People's "Macho Man" enters the charts.
On this day in 1998 Miramax studios announces their purchase of the rights to The Beatles' 1964 film A Hard Day's Night, intending to remaster it in time for the film's 35th anniversary.
On this day in 2005 an anonymous bidder pays one million dollars for the original handwritten lyrics to The Beatles' "All You Need Is Love" at the Hippodrome nightclub in London.
On this day in 2011 singer-songwriter Gene McDaniels dies at the age of 76.


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Can anyone help with the following problem?
The problem seems to be related to how the .NET Connector converts numbers internally to strings. Somehow, even though every DLL is defined to require the 1.1 framework, there is some internal SAP component which seems to use something in the 2.0 Framework. There is nothing wrong with the input data (we have spent many hours checking this). It is just 2.0 is stricter about conversions from strings to numbers I suspect.
If I install both 1.1 and 2.0 the error occurs. If I then uninstall 2.0 the error goes away. I do not even need to reboot my PC.
I think I have forced the application DLLs to use the 1.1 framework (I added an App.Config to each file with the lines)
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<supportedRuntime version="v1.1.4322" />
<requiredRuntime imageVersion="v1.1.4322" version="v1.1.4322" />
Many thanks.
Hi Chris,
Correct me if i'm wrong..
So within this forum, you asked:
1. how do you convert the number?
2. why do you get error after installation?
For the answer,
1. Yes right, you have to make the type of the parameter in .NET equals with the SAP one when you are doing synchronization.
So in .NET, you can use function convert, to convert the parameter that you want to pass to SAP.
For ex [in VB]:
Dim a as integer = 9
Dim b as string = ""
b = convert.ToString(a)
2. If you wanna install .Net framework, make sure you have to install .Net with version 1.1 first then you go on version 2.0.
Best regards,
Daniel N.
* reward point if it helps you.
Thanks for the reply, but I think this problem is more complicated.
Attached is a stack trace of the error. Note that sometimes it can execute the (SCM) BAPI CreateFromTemplate successfully but then will fail with a similar error on the (SCM)BAPI ChangePeggingMultiple. It works with 100% reliability in 1.1. It fails if 2.0 is installed (even if 1.1 is still installed). We have tried every trick we can think of to try to force Microsoft to use 1.1 when running this application but no luck. If we uninstall the 2.0 Framework the application starts to work again (we do not even need to restart the PC as far as I recall).
System.ArgumentException: Object of type 'System.String' cannot be converted to type 'System.Double'.
at System.RuntimeType.CheckValue(Object value, Binder binder, CultureInfo culture, BindingFlags invokeAttr)
at System.Reflection.MethodBase.CheckArguments(Object[] parameters, Binder binder, BindingFlags invokeAttr, CultureInfo culture, Signature sig)
at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.Invoke(Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, Binder binder, Object[] parameters, CultureInfo culture, Boolean skipVisibilityChecks)
at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.Invoke(Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, Binder binder, Object[] parameters, CultureInfo culture)
at System.Reflection.RuntimePropertyInfo.SetValue(Object obj, Object value, BindingFlags invokeAttr, Binder binder, Object[] index, CultureInfo culture)
at System.Reflection.RuntimePropertyInfo.SetValue(Object obj, Object value, Object[] index)
at SAP.Connector.Rfc.RfcStructureUtil.FromRfcStructure(Byte[] src, Type t, Encoding encoding, PropertyInfo[] propinfos, RfcStructInfo structInfo)
at SAP.Connector.Rfc.RfcStructureUtil.FillListWithITab(SAPConnection conn, Object list, Int32 itab, Type t, RfcStructInfo structInfo)
at SAP.Connector.Rfc.RfcClient.RfcInvoke(SAPClient proxy, String method, Object[] methodParamsIn)
at SAP.Connector.SAPClient.SAPInvoke(String method, Object[] methodParamsIn)
at SAPProxies.ManufactOrderAPS.CreateFromTemplate(String CHANGE_IF_EXISTS, String COMMIT_CONTROL, String EVENT_CONTROL, String EXT_NUMBER_ASSIGNMENT, String LOGICAL_SYSTEM, String ORDER_TYPE, String PLANNING_MODE_USAGE, String PLANNING_VERSION, BAPI10503ORDSTRATPROFSET STRATEGY_PROFILE, BAPI10503ACTCHARINTable& CHARACTERISTICS_VAL_ACT, BAPI10503IONODECHARINTable& CHARACTERISTICS_VAL_IO, BAPIPAREXTable& EXTENSION_IN, BAPI10503ORDMAPRETOTable& MAPPING_DATA, BAPI10503TMPLPPMCAPREQINTable& ORDER_CAPREQS, BAPI10503TMPLPPMCOMPINTable& ORDER_COMPONENTS, BAPI10503TMPLPPMHEADINTable& ORDER_HEAD, BAPI10503TMPLPPMMODEINTable& ORDER_MODES, BAPI10503TMPLPPMCOPYINTable& ORDER_STRUCTURE, BAPIRET2Table& RETURN)
The link below is exactly the same type of error but from a different vendor. The conclusion is that there is some invalid code in the 3rd party provider (i.e. SAP .NET Connector).
I have looked at the Proxies and my gut feeling is that this might be related to the FFC_NUM which is stored as a string but represents a number. Or it might be the RFC_BCD type causing a problem.
Message was edited by: Chris Brookes
Hi Chris,
this is really an interesting issue:
1. Why is .NET runtime using 2.0 framework?
2. The 2.0 in NCo.
About 1.: I'm 100% sure that in case the 2.0 is installed, for some reason the program runs on the 2.0 runtime. The app.config doesn't have an effect on .NET loader's choice which runtime it uses - and the basic libraries are AFAIK anyway loaded according the runtime version. The runtime used is determinded by a flag in the EXE-header that is set by the compiler. The 1.x should enter here something different than the 2.x compiler. There are also some registry settings that control the behavior.
In the Don Box .NET book I found an environement variable that overrided any automatic runtime joice. Unforturnately I don't have the book available in the moment, so I can't tell you the exact syntax.
2. The problem of NCo runtime with conversion, but with the behavior change of the function Type.GetProperties(): The order of the returned PropertyInfos is changed in 2.0 which could lead to the fact that the NCo runtime tries to store a String value to a Double property.
A workarround is simply calling <mySAPStructure>.GetProperties() from you code on all affected SAP structures before doing anything with NCo.
To be honest I do not fully understand your suggestion however it is starting to sound like the only solution would be in SAP .NET Connector itself. We actually pass in our table data using Interop and an ADODB recordset. However the code that converts this to the DataTable format required by .NET Connector is the following
While Not rs.EOF
Row = io_InputDataTable.NewRow
For Each Fld In rs.Fields
Row.Item(Fld.Name) = Fld.Value
l_ColumnType = io_InputDataTable.Columns(Fld.Name).DataType
If (Fld.Value Is Nothing) Or (Convert.IsDBNull(Fld.Value)) Then
' skip
Row.Item(Fld.Name) = Convert.DBNull
Select Case Type.GetTypeCode(l_ColumnType)
Case TypeCode.String
Row.Item(Fld.Name) = Convert.ChangeType(Fld.Value, TypeCode.String)
Case TypeCode.Int32
Row.Item(Fld.Name) = Convert.ChangeType(Fld.Value, TypeCode.Int32)
In other words, we convert the data to the exact form needed by the underlying DataTable before we pass it in to the .NET Connector.
However this information comes direct from the SAPProxies DLL.
Is it possible that the proxies generated by the .NET Connector are providing the wrong type to the underlying RFC call? I have read somewhere that type checking in 2.0 is stricter than 1.1 (e.g. you cannot implicitly convert a string to a decimal in 2.0 even if it is numeric). My theory is that the SAP .NET Connector itself might be doing something incorrect with certain data types.
You can do the workarround on your own.
Look at the proxies that .NET connector created for you: It contains a bunch of classes that inherit from SAPStructure. It could e.g. be called BRFCKNA1. There are also some classes generated that inherit from SAPTable, e.g. BRFCKNATable. These type are used inderectly by you using FromADODataTable().
Before using these types, just make sure that you call "GetProperties" for the underlying structure type.
E.g. at the beginning of your program call:
It sounds strange, but believe me: It will solvhe the problem.
> We actually pass in our table data using Interop and
> an ADODB recordset. However the code that converts
BTW: This can also explain that you unintentially run the CLR 2.0 as runtime as soon as it is installed. If you simply use COM-Interop (.NET classes registered via Regasm), the first COM object will determine the used CLR. If e.g. in HKCR\CLSID\<clsid>\InprocServer32\RuntimeVersion is set to "v2.0.30728" for the clsid of the very first COM class used, the CLR will be 2.0 and stay so as long as the process runs. You may have a chance to fix this by creating an entry at HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\.NETFramework\policy\AppPatch\v2.0.50727.00000 , but I don't know details.
I have checked the RunTime in the registry key indicated and the version and it is v1.1.4322 so I do not think this is the problem.
I am not clear about the GetProperties() advice. I did try something related to this and it looked like it actually worked. However the test was not repeatable. There seems to be a random element in any case as sometimes it fails on ManufacOrderAPS.CreateFromTemplate and sometimes this works but it fails on PPDSServiceAPS.ChangePeggingMultiple. It has never failed on ManufacOrderAPS.SaveMultiple2. I would appreciate some more advice/background on this.
For various reasons, the program calls everything indirectly by its string name using System.Reflection. The very first thing we execute is
Assembly assemProxies = Assembly.GetAssembly(typeof(SAPProxies.BAPI10001KEYTable));
Is simply a random type from the assembly in order to get to the assembly in question. From then on we extract methods and parameters by string name only.
I have tried adding the following loop after getting the assembly
for( int i = 0; i < arrTypes.Length; i++ )
Is this what is being suggested or have I misunderstood.
Many thanks
> I have checked the RunTime in the registry key
> indicated and the version and it is v1.1.4322 so I do
> not think this is the problem.
You would need to check this for ANY .NET based COM server that your application might use, including classes from MS!
If you want to be sure that really CLR 2.x was loaded into you process, use ProcessExplorer from Sysinternals to see which DLLs and other files it has loaded.
> I have tried adding the following loop after getting
> the assembly
> for( int i = 0; i <
> for( int i = 0; i < arrTypes.Length; i++ )
> {
> arrTypes.GetProperties();
> }
> Is this what is being suggested or have I
> misunderstood.
If arrTypes contains all types exported from your proxy, it should work, but it is actually too much. The "GetProperties" is only necessary for types that inherit from SAPStructure. But it should work if you execute this loop before anything else in your code.
Hi Reiner,
I'm afraid that we tried everything that you suggested and still have the problem.
Any other pointers or suggestions would certainly be welcome.
I've got the same error in Bapi_Acc_Document_Post. The solution:
-We have stopped to use a method we constructed using System.Reflection. This method gets the values of members of an 'origin' class and sets these values to the related members of a 'destination' class (members with the same name in both classes), the destination class was a SAPStructure in this case. Doing this manually (without using Reflection) solved my problem.
Please, don't ask why it solved my problem, because i don't know.
Have you tried going to 3.5?
I am successfully using the .net connector... creating the proxy using vs2003...
I then simply reference the dll in my .net 3.5 projects.. (vs2008)
I have not had any issues with type conversion, etc.. and.. being that the .net side is an ecommerce application, has many prices, and other datatypes, I have never received an error.
Sorry Jeffrey Malschick
I have not solved the same issue recompiling the proxy generated code using Visual Studio 2003 instead of Visual Studio 2010.
You will find the right solution at http://scn.sap.com/thread/1223041
Looks like SAP Note 0001413789 fixes the issue.
Best regards,
Filippo Bottega.


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Industry Groups All Rise (and Will Fall) on the Same Monetary Tide
Howard Simons
Two surprising observations about the groups affected by recent monetary events.
Remember SARS, the severe acute respiratory syndrome that caused quite a stir about a decade ago and -- like many other viral diseases ranging from influenza to AIDS -- has the scary potential to mutate into a really scary pandemic? I will not mention names, but during the last outbreak, one of the Wall Street brokerage houses released a global SARS strategy report for you to follow, step by step, as a way of profiting from a potential outbreak.
Let's ignore the amorality of that document and keep in mind that it went on for about seventeen pages. That is short by the standards of other works of fiction and way too long for useful investment advice. It also succumbed to the fallacy central to today's discussion: For every external action, there are distinct investment reactions for you, some of which might – and this will surprise you – generate fees and commissions.
Two Major Monetary Events
One of the upsides of being a macro analyst these days is that the world's policymakers keep giving you things to do. If it is not QE-this, it is Twist-that. It gives us a lot of things to compare before-and-after. Let's take two major monetary events of recent years -- the inception of Operation Twist in August 2011 and the downside breakout of the Japanese yen beginning in November 2012 -- and pose the statistical question of which industry groups' returns were different from the S&P 1500 Supercomposite's returns at even a 66.67% probability (2:1 odds).
The answers are surprising on two levels. First, only a small number of groups are affected significantly by major events. Second, the groups involved have little if any sectoral theme.
Let's take the Twist period first. Of the 144 industry groups examined, only eight groups accounting for 3.6% of market capitalization had returns statistically different returns from the S&P 1500's returns. While several of them, including homebuilders, diversified banks, and thrifts & mortgages at least have a housing-related theme, the others are unrelated. I would like to create a link between distillers & vintners and computers & electronics retailers, but I cannot.
The shorter time period from November 2012 should allow for more differentiation, and it does. Here, 12 groups accounting for 7.4% of market capitalization pass the 2:1 odds test. One of them is something called "multi-sector holdings," which is a one-company group consisting of
Leucadia National
(NYSE:LUK). Another is gold, which is
Newmont Mining
(NYSE:NEM) and
Royal Gold
(NASDAQ:RGLD). The rest of the set is simply another motley collection of unrelated entities.
You will never, and I do mean never, find someone who will tell you in advance that a major policy change involving massive manipulation of the US yield curve or the willful debasement of a key currency will have only a trivial effect on the distribution of industry group relative returns. The temptation to show how clever you are by recommending portfolio shuffling is extreme; conversely, saying something to the effect of, "They are going to print money in Biblical-sized quantities? Cool; just buy everything you can get your hands on and then some," sounds unsophisticated and even flippant.
However, it is and has been true for these events and others similar to them. The simple fact of the matter is that a rising monetary tide lifts all of the industry group boats more or less equally. Unfortunately, that lesson will also apply for when they remove the stopper from the monetary bathtub, too.
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