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YOUNGSTOWN — An 80-year-old Brownlee Woods area woman was fatally shot in the head in the St. Dominic Church parking lot after leaving the church at about 8:45 a.m. today, police said.
Capt. Rod Foley, chief of detectives for the city police, said someone arriving at the church found the woman in her car around 9:15 a.m. on the Auburndale Avenue side at the rear of the South Side church.
Foley said the motive for the homicide appears to be robbery and that police believe the victim was the last person to leave the church after the 8 a.m. Mass.
"It looks like she was assaulted at her vehicle, and that's where she was murdered," Foley said. "We believe she was shot in her car," he added.
Police were canvassing the neighborhood and examining church security camera videos seeking details of the shooting. Police had no suspects in custody and were not releasing the victim's identity late this afternoon.
How absolutely horrid. How many more murders like this must this community endure before the forces of civilization wake up and clean up that entire wasteland known as the southside? May as well throw the northside, eastside and most of the westside as well as Warren into that cleanup effort as well. But it's more important for the mayors to wine and dine with war criminals abroad than clean up the bloody mess at home.
Enough is enough ! Let's do a sweep of the Southside and shut down the drug houses that breed this type of crime !
They better find this coward useless peice of human waste and do to him with words I can't put on here. 80 years old coming out of church. God willing they find this creature and torture him to no end.
And about guns in the city see:
Its January 23rd, 2010 and this is the 4th murder. Maybe this system might not of saved her, but anything helps in getting these animals and guns off the streets.
Find this moron and put him right on death row. This crime does not even justify a trial. I will bet this moron has a criminal history.
One parishioner says he may have seen the suspect leave the parking lot and turn east onto Lucius Avenue. He said the man was African-American between 5"8' and 5"10' with a medium build.
You stated "This piece of trash should have been shot numerous times and then lynched "
Now you know damn well the victim was a little old white Lady and the animal that did this was Black, so it is illadvised to use the term "LYNCHING" when refering to what should be done to the piece of crap that did this. You don't want to be called a RACIST . This type of act is all to common at this Church, usually it is just your average Black Male carjacking a car from your average little old White Lady. Review the police blotters and you will see the trend yourself. Black on White crime is way to common on this side of town. Why anyone lives there I don't know.
This is just unbelievable an innocent senior citizen coming out of church. Can someone get a grip on Youngstown it is not that big of a city. This makes no sense and no one saw anything, I find that hard to believe it was broad daylight. Jimmy and Jay what are you really doing why can't either of you do anything about the crime that goes on in Youngstown does it have to hit home before you do your jobs?
My prayers go out to the woman's family.
Clean up Youngstown, bring in the three strike you're out law, do something!
I hate to assume, but assuming this was a black on white crime, what would happen if David Duke came into town as would Jessie and Al if this was reversed? Whites have no recourse, no where to turn, I know, I know, let the law take care of it.
Heartfelt condolences to the family.
The thugs rule the streets on the Southside . Our Mayor and Chief of Police aren't capable of cleaning up the area . State and Federal resources need to be brought in if crime continues unabated . The thugs need to be locked up if they continue trying to destroy the city . KNOWN DRUG HOUSES THAT BREED CRIME NEED TO BE RAIDED AND SHUT DOWN !
Okay Stan. And what happened to Zero Tolerance...
I would agree with Stan except that the same could be said about almost any area of Youngstown, and even the various shopping areas. This particular crime is especially grievious to me, though, because St. Dom's is my church. I am sitting here mentally going through a list of friends who attend the early daily Masses and wondering whose funeral I will soon attend. I read on another site that this crime is all society's fault because we have not provided jobs to the disgusting scum like the person that has done this! I respond that whether you are rich, poor, black, white, employed or unemployed, you do not have the right to commit crime because you have nothing else to do!!! A criminal act is ALWAYS the fault of the perpetrator because, in the end, he/she makes the final decision to do evil. That it was done in a church parking lot shows just what kind low-life the murderer is.
This is a disgusting, horrific crime in every sense of the imagination. But USA1, the ignorance of your comments never ceases to amaze me. Obviously these cowards picked this women because she was an easy target. Even if she was armed, there is no way an 80 year old would have the reflexes to defend herself against a young armed thug. How can you possibly blame "liberals?" There isn't a liberal alive that would advocate such a heinous act. Unless, of course, you are criticizing liberals for supporting a person's Constitutional Right to a fair trial. And if you don't believe in the justice system our Founding Fathers set up, you are living in the wrong country.
"I read on another site that this crime is all society's fault because we have not provided jobs to the disgusting scum like the person that has done this!"
Are you serious? I would give whoever said that a VERY very rude wakeup call. That is what I mean about society today, now this piece of garbage has a reason to MURDER a person? What goes in the mind of people who think like that. So mind boggling. There is no reason whatsoever to MURDER a person, unless in self defense, and I highly think a 80 year old lady put up much of a fight. This sorry excuse of a animal (and yes, a animal, because he has no concept of right from wrong) and needs to do all us a favor and put a gun to his head.
God bless this innocent lady and her family.
Stan, you are so right, enough is enough! Rosewood , you too have a strong point it is not just the Southside. St. Dom's is where both my children attended grade school, they both did their First Communion and Confirmation, we attended many Masses together at this beautiful church.. How sad that this woman's family has to endure such a horrific event. What a despicable lowlife, couldn't you just have taken the purse and left her alone? I only pray that your face is on the film from the cameras and that you are soon in custody. YPD step up and get this scumbag off the streets now!!!
USA1 is Mr I know everything and the liberals are to blame for everything. Yet he is the same man who ducked my question about becoming a politician when he was ProAmerican. He claims too have all the answers but not the testicular fortitude to make changes a typical Monday morning queterback. MAY THIS WOMAN REST IN PEACE and lets get this coward a$$ pu$$y who killed her and torture him.
Shot spotter technology worked wonders I see.
I'm sure there will be a flurry of arrests in the neighborhood surrounding the church. The cops will act tough. Bust people for simple, worthless crimes and move on.
Meanwhile, the drug machine will continue unfettered. Straight outta The Wire.
I'm just stunned
How can a human being do this?
Eric, I don't want to turn this into a political discussion, because this lady's murder and the way her life ended should be not forgotten. However, I 'll tell you my opinion of why liberals contribute to this problem. Young, black unwed mothers is not being addressed by black leaders (liberals), helping these mothers with free childbirth, free care, free food and subsidized housing. These mothers are barely educated themselves and how would you expect them to form an early education for their children. Drugs and alcohol are a way of life that these children are born into. Liberals and their bleeding hearts blame whites and take no responsibility for the terrible situation that they have taxpayers finance. It would be hard to do but liberals have to say enough is enough, we're no longer going to support you. Maybe this would slow down the unwed birthrate and give these people a chance to keep up and work for a better life. Don't get me wrong, this person that killed this lady is an animal, probably born without a conscience. It's his fault. Lady, I really hope your beautiful life didn't end in vain. Maybe this will finally make people who can make changes realize what a mess this is and quit making excuses. There's no excuse for this.
This very well could have been a black man, but nobody knows for sure, so please stop with the racism until something concrete is established.
Borylie so you are suggesting that big business conservatives havent contributed to the sad state of affairs in America today?
Any word on this lunatic? Have they caught him yet? I'm honestly having a hard time sleeping tonight knowing that such a horrible human walks free tonight! I live on the Southwest side of town near the park. St. Dom's is only a stones throw from here. It is so scary to think that someone could harm a sweet old lady.
Texting tough guy arent you USA? Well for starters I would strengthen the educational system in the community. Second I would bring back discipline in the home by allowing parents to parent. Third I would get more officers on the street and build repoire with citizens and police. As far as robbing you I dont need anything you have so dont threaten me. All you do USA1 is run your mouth yet you arent in any position nor do you apply your self for any position that would better the community. All you do is complain, complain, and make stupid comments. Then you disguise yourself under a new name because you wore out your welcome. Maybe you should be like Stan who I dont always agree with but I dont think you can. Thats because atleast Stan educates himself instead of talking out his a$$
My aunt in no way, shape, or form would have wanted people to fight over who is "politically responsible" for her death. She would've have wanted you all to say a prayer because obviously this person is very troubled in all ways imaginable. She was and will continue to be in my heart the most wonderful, loyal, most caring woman who put everyone above herself. So for her, instead of arguing please say a prayer and stay safe. Thank you!
Hey guys! You are way off the subject! An innocent human being has lost their life under a tragic circumstance. Pray for her family. Whoever did this will be caught and believe me he will pay for the crime he/she committed. It doesn't matter if you are black or white, to lose a loved one is still a loss!
It is shameful to see how off subject these things become. The blame falls solely on the sick individual responsible. It is absolutely outrageous to me that this discussion on my aunt's MURDER has turned into who is better political discussion!! I will pray for you all to become more aware of your thoughts!
Trust, God bless you and your family. Don't get upset about the posters here, any story that's discussed beyond 10 comments seems to turn into this daily so I'm sure there's no disrespect intended but rather people habitually arguing their politics. May your family be given the strength to come through this. You have remarkable restraint that I could only hope to have given the circumstances.
Take the identified African-American between 5"8' and 5"10' with a medium build out to the center of Youngstown and hang him right there after his trial. No 20 year long appeals - just hang him right away like they use to do in the old west. This really gets my blood boiling.
When will the African-American Mayor Jay of Youngstown take some real action against these African-American Hoodlums instead of worrying why he lost his HUD funds because he hired an incompetent administrator who didn't know how to fillout a HUD application?
My sympathies to her family!!!
Wonder if the new gunshot detection device will help sove this murder?
We have only ourselves to blame.
Murders, car-jackings, robberies, rapes all will continue until society decides to take action and change the way we allow our children to grow, police our streets and live our lives.
As long as our current liberal society continues we will have those who take advantage of it. There is little for a criminal to fear. We have allowed this predatory behavior.
Quit complaining, it is your fault criminals continue doing this.
Insanity is doing the same thing the same way over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
The Warren Tribune said her name was Angeline Fimognari from Sheridan Road. This is an absolutely disgusting and sickening murder. I agree with so many of the posts here about what should happen to the person responsible from where he got the gun to whether he has been arrested before. I do agree that drugs need to be legalized so the addicts are not killing to get their money for a fix.
These horrific crimes just don't happen
in Youngstown. Have you watched News out of Cleveland, Pittsburgh,Orlando,Florida? This goes on there also.
Our Condolences to her family, friends,
and the St. Dominic Church Community.My prayers are with all of you.
I sure pray they catch him. If it goes to trial, PLEASE, check all loopholes to make sure he is CONVICTED. Judges'
keep these criminals where they belong.
I hope we don't read that this Animal
was out of jail on bond, or parole, just to comitt another horrific crime as this.
Far too many thugs are loose on the Southside who have killed before . The killer of this woman may never be caught . When the government checks are depleted they then forage for dollars to support their drug habits . This woman wasn't the first victim and she wont be the last .
To city hall all will be well when they can pinpoint the shots fired within the city . Lets face reality . We know where the shot was fired that killed this woman . The killer left the scene and is free to repeat his act . I suspect that this woman didn't fork over enough money to suit the killer . She was executed with a round to the head .
The next step is to provide mandatory jobs so these thugs dont have 24/7 idle time to do their dirty deeds . Plenty of work needs to be done to the infrastructure of the city .
"These horrific crimes just don't happen
in Youngstown. Have you watched News out of Cleveland, Pittsburgh,Orlando,Florida? This goes on there also."
I agree 100%, but it's a losing cause on here.
"Shot spotter technology worked wonders I see. "
They haven't even installed it yet.
Angeline Fimognari - may you Rest in Peace and I pray that your senseless death goes for naught.
My condolences to the family and love ones of her.
A very sad day again for Youngstown. I also pray for this family. Mr. Mayor is it time for National guard? Your police dept. is overwelmed and can,t keep up. The people of Youngstown deserve better.
borylie said "I 'll tell you my opinion of why liberals contribute to this problem. Young, black unwed mothers is not being addressed by black leaders (liberals), helping these mothers with free childbirth, free care, free food and subsidized housing. These mothers are barely educated themselves and how would you expect them to form an early education for their children. Drugs and alcohol are a way of life that these children are born into. Liberals and their bleeding hearts blame whites and take no responsibility for the terrible situation that they have taxpayers finance. It would be hard to do but liberals have to say enough is enough, we're no longer going to support you. Maybe this would slow down the unwed birthrate and give these people a chance to keep up and work for a better life."
I find it ironic that people who are violently anti abortion (not borylie specifically but Stan and USA1 based on their posts on the article about the closing of the clinic in Ytown) are complaining about unwed mothers having too many babies.
I am a socialist (about as liberal as they come!) and my solution is that ALL males at the age of 10 undergo a vasectomy which will only be reversed after their eighteenth birthday if they pass an appropriate fatherhood test, they get 3 tries to pass the test after that they can appeal for a judicial override.
No more unwanted babies, No more babies with unfit parents, and a whole lot fewer abortions.
Stan I agree with you on the mandatory jobs program everyone should be contributing to the good of the community. As for raiding all of the drug houses why is the city not using RICO laws to repossess all of the assets of the drug criminals and from anyone who aids and abets them.
I'm pretty much speechless. An 80 year old woman? Church was probably one of the few things she looked forward to, and probably one of the safest places to go for her. This is horrible. PEOPLE ARE ANIMALS. They have no shame, no guilt, no conscience -- what would possess anyone to kill someone in cold blood, let alone an 80 year old woman who clearly isn't even able to defend herself!
This is bull.
Here we have a woman, a mother, a wife, a daughter, a sister, a grandparent, a friend.... dead. ANOTHER life lost... ANOTHER senseless crime ---
My heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of this woman.
Yes I agree that something needs to be done, I wish I knew what though... then again if I knew the right answer... lol I'd be in charge of things right? But I don't know so I put my hope into the elected officials -- if they can't make a difference then maybe it'll show in the next election. I hope all of those who are out there complaining and want to make a change make it to the polls during each election..... until then -- what can WE do as a community to try to keep people safe??? Any ideas?
Sad day when a life is taken by someone who's mind is only on doing evil. Sad day in America when churches and other places where people get together must now find ways so that this does not happen. Instead of using funds for officers maybe we should use funds to find protective measures to help avoid this from happening. Posted by Tera
This man has killed before . Smooth execution with one well placed shot says it all . His chances of getting pinned to this crime are slim but he will kill again . He may flee the area after robbing again . I doubt if this crime got him enough money to last a day . Law enforcement stopping him for any reason are at risk .
The blame lies with the judicial system in this country. When this person is caught he will probably have an arrest record as long as your arm and an almost non existent time served record.
When a person commits a crime that carries a twenty year sentence it gets plea bargained down to an eight year crime and the criminal ends up serving half that. Four or five years for a twenty year crime and that's if they weren't sentenced to probation.
A small percentage of the population is committing a large percentage of the crimes. Those people need to be locked away. Build more prisons and stop plea bargaining and we will all be a lot safer.
A comparison of crime stat's for 2008
The STATE of New Hampshire
Population 1, 300,000
Percent Black 1.2%
Murders in the year 2008 for the ENTIRE state 15
The CITY of Youngstown
Population 80,000
Percent Black 44%
Murders in the year 2008 for JUST the City 29
Why is this?
If the State of New Hampshire was like the City of Youngstown, there would be 471 murders a year
If the City of Youngstown was like the state of New Hampshire there would be 1 murder a year ( actually .92 which is less the one) , yep that is right just ONE.
Why , Why , Why is there TWICE as many murders in just the City of Youngstown then there is in the ENTIRE state of New Hampshire.
I think we all know the answer to that question.
TrustintheLord my heartfelt condolences go out to you and your family. I wasnt on here to point blame at anyone but the individual who committed this crime. Im just sick of these conservatives blaming Obama and liberals for everything. They act like Bush was perfect and all conservatives are as well. Im just here to let them know they arent perfect and have contributed to the state of this country as well. Jesus could blog on here and if he spoke forgiveness infidels like Ua$$A1 would be calling him a "brainwashed liberal". It is just sad to me that those who think they have the answer for everything cant give you a solid answer about what to do when you ask them. And when I answered the infidels questions on what I would do he just tore it down and continued with the liberal jargon. USA1 is just as much of the problem as the thug who committed the crime because he refuses to do anything but b1!!ch and moan about liberals.
"Praying isn't going to bring this woman back, nor is it going to solve Youngstown's proud history of generational street violence."
No it's not, but I would think that she would have wanted people to pray for her and her loved ones that are going through this. I would venture to guess she was a Christian women and if you don't feel the need to prayer for her, then don't, but don't put down the power of prayer. Keep in mind, she died with the Bible next to her.
Silence so what should we do with black people huh? When a black man does become successful it seems many of you want to tear him down harder then the ones like the thug that killed this woman. So really it comes down to racism and that racism continues to be a major donfall in society. Even with Affirmative Action its white women who gained the most. Thats a fact, no BS. I just hope people that know what happened will come forward so we can get this killer off the street. Like Stan said he has killed before and will do so again.
I think people will get their pound of flesh in the end. Probably won't be the right guy though, but they'll put on a show to make it look good and satisfy the racists.
"So really it comes down to racism"
Was it Racism that killed this poor Woman. Do you really believe that tripe?
I sure hope someone finds him and not the cops first. He does'nt deserve jail or a trial, why waste my money. We need more honest people carrying guns like myself. These thugs arent afraid because no one tries to stand up to them. I don't know what I could have done, at least I would have tried to get a couple of rounds off maybe saving my life..
It's not a black white issue like the racist posters here would have you believe. It is a poverty and drug issue. Economic conditions are a far better indicator of crime than color. It just so happens that blacks are far more poverty stricken than whites. New Hampshire's crime rate is low because the state has very little poverty not because it has few blacks. The converse is true in Youngstown. High crime and abject poverty. Why would anyone go into Youngstown for anything is beyond me. Especially into the most troubling areas!
I was at the Boulevard Tavern Fri. nite. How much longer is this place going to survive? They have a teen outside as a guard Whatever. What could he do if someone is robbed? Sad. We cannot frequent St. Dom's or the Boulevard? We have to keep driving further and further South.
Silence i wasnt saying it was racism that caused her murder, it was greed and the hunger to steal from an easy target an elderly woman which is sad. I was asking you since you made the comparison between New Hampshire and Youngstown and the black population are you saying black people are the problem.
Good Point Penguin. The war on drugs started by Nancy and Ronald Reagan (those lovely liberals) hasnt done anything but make this country worse. Drug dealers are imprisoned and murderers and child molesters are constantly given less time through plea bargains. That damn liberal Reagan Administration look what it has done damn near 30 years later and the policies are still hurting us. DAMN LIBERALS!!!
First of all USA1, ProAmerican, and whatever other name you are going by now, I never said you ducked questions. Second, of all, I never said I am a liberal. Third, tell me what do activist judges have to do with this poor lady getting murdered? It is perfectly legal for citizens without a record to carry weapons. It is every individual American's choice to be armed or not. I never said otherwise. Maybe the church should provide armed escorts. There is not a liberal alive that would object to that.
For once, I just wish you would realize that just because something horrible happens, it is not the "liberals" fault. And what are you talking about when I said you don't have the anatomy to defend yourself? I never said such a thing. Get your story straight.
Borylie, I don't necessary disagree with your idea that there are too many handouts. I work hard for my money, and I don't want a dime of it to go to an able bodied person who is just lazy. But I also don't think eliminating benefits to poverty-stricken mothers would slow down the rate of unwanted pregnancies. The trend has been to cut welfare benefits. In fact, usually the only way now to obtain welfare benefits is to be a single mother. So as a society, what should we do about taking care of children who didn't ask to be born? Healthcare is expensive. Should we refuse to provide the mother with prenatal care, and then throw the mother and kid out into the street? Conservatives want abortion to be illegal, but at the same time don't want to provide public assistance to take care of all of the additional children that will be born should abortion be made illegal.
PenguinBird : "This is what we as a society deserve for treating a disease (drug addiction) as a crime."
---Really? This is deserved? Not much else to say about that.
You do not know what the police do or do not know unless you yourself are a cop which I highly doubt. Furthermore, for you to say such things as I hope the MURDERER gets away free is probably the most immature thing I have read on this page so far. Just goes to show that instead of taking some sort of action on your own to change the community you live in, you sit idly on your computer and just do a bunch of talking, which is why the situation occured in the first place. All talk, no action.
Keep in mind penguin..an innocent 80 year old woman died and her family, such as myself, who are from Youngstown but live out of town, are keeping up to date with online sites such as this
paulb #80 great statistics makes it sound like the most sane and well behaved kids would be the ones that have two dads living together.
Check out this article on the subject:
There is a simple way to catch the person that did this. Offer a reward. The Vindy or the city or whoever can start a reward fund. I guarantee you there are people that know who did this and would turn him in for a price. I live on the other side of the country, start the fund and I'll contribute.
May she rest in peace Amen. There are no words to explain any of this !!!!! Maybe this is a wake up call. There are not many GOD fearing people around anymore and why is that??? Society has changed and is going into the wrong direction. St. Dom's is a wonderful church. We once were members and my Grandaughter was baptized there. We moved from the Brownlee Woods area years ago. Our Sympathy goes out to her family. May GOD help them through this tragedy.
How awful this happened at St. Dom's. I remember this as a beautiful church from my childhood. I will keep her family and friends in my thoughts and prayers.
Last week I watched the news and how the mayor and ryan were fighting so hard to see why HUD wasn't giving Youngstown money for clean up. Why isn't all this effort put into ridding this city of the thugs that run around like this and kill some poor innocent lady. People can't afford moving out of these thug infested areas and look to their local government for some kind of protection and never see it. I use to live in that area and go to school at St. Dom's and am not shocked but very sadden of what the Southside of Youngstown has become. Anyone that kills another human being should be sent right to the electric chair no ifs and or buts, no repeal nothing. Rest in Peace Angeline
PenguinBird, People with your line of thinking are part of the problem in this area! It just makes me wonder if you know who did this? If you really hope he doesn't get caught why don't you let him come live with you and see how safe you feel then! My thoughts and prayers go out to her family and friends, and may God bless them in this terrible time.
Thomas that was a totally stupid comment concerning black people. There are wars between Jews and Muslims and what about Kosovo and Northern Ireland? It is not about white or black its about an innocent woman being killed. However there is tension in black communities and they have a distrust for the police which helped to originate the "no snitch policy". Although its sad that mistrust started back when they were being wrongfully arrested, sprayed with hoses,etc,etc,etc. So past racism still has an effect on today. With that being said hopefully someone will come through and report any information they know.
Thoughts and prayers are with Angeline's family. It should not be this way that people are afraid to visit the south side. Very sad.
To foxtrot just like most of these older parishes in the community of Youngstown, sadly they dont have the money to go and build a new church.
"(PenguinBird comments) #74
I heard the police have NOTHING! I hope the guy gets away scott free."
If this happened at a black church and a white man did the killing I would push for the death penalty also . So PenguinBird you reinforce what I have said in the past . Justice in the eyes of the subculture is getting away scott free . Even if he doesn't get pinned to this crime he will rob and kill again . The next time things may not go well for him .
Four or five murders this year. Nice job YPD. Everyone should take a moment and pray for this women and her family.
My thoughts and prayers go to the family of Angeline,may God heal your heart.
Building a new Church isn't going to solve the problem,the elderly got married,had their children baptized,their children married all at the Church,it is their life.They will not stop going there until they are called home to be with God.
Some of my family members go to St.Dominics and they will not leave,even after this terrible tragedy.
This is absolutely ridiculous! The leaders of Youngstown-Warren have failed us once again. How many more people must die before this ends? No wonder any new industry avoids the Valley. Who wants to setup shop in high crime areas? Message to our "leaders:" stop taking trips to Paris, France to talk to V&M Star leaders. Stop going to DC to get money to tear down houses. If Tim Ryan would have actually done his job, we would have had the money! The "leaders" of this Valley need to wake up and focus on making a better community!
This is so tragic! Enough is enough already. Nothing ever get's better here, it only slowly get's worse, and worse. The only one to blame are the thugs that continually perpetrate these crimes.Other communities have adapted to a global economy, and outsourcing of jobs in a civilized manner. It is fine time America stop paying for it's original sin, and hold everyone accountable equally.There are communities that are obviously tainted, and have been tainted for a long time now. This must be dealt with. We are on the fast track to a state of emergency, if we are not already in the early stages of it. This is not how normal humans behave.What is it going to be like here in twenty years. My god an eighty year old woman was shot at church. This is absolutely awful! I am so ashamed to call Youngstown home tonight.
I grew up on this street in the late 70's/early 80's. My grandfather's lumber company built the pews at St. Dom's. My parents were married there, my sister and I were baptized there.... it breaks my heart to see what has happened to this neighborhood... I would give anything to see it restored to a safe, clean, family neighborhood. Was her small amount of money really worth her life?
My heart goes out to the family of this victim.
Austintown, Boardman, Niles, Canfield, Girard, Mineral Ridge, Poland, Sruthers, Lowelville, McDonald, and Liberty are all COMMUNITIES that have been affected by globalization,and outsourcing.Add up their population, and then compare it to Youngstown, though I don't know for certain. I would bet they are more populous than Youngstown. There are still areas of Detroit, and Cleveland that are very livable. Granted their economies are just a small fraction of what they used to be, they still have pockets of civilized livable space. My point is not to justify, or be a proponent of these tactics(globalization, outsourcing), my point is, just because an area's population endures tough economic circumstances, that is no excuse for the moral fabric to completely deteriorate. Also I understand that is natural for crime to increase when economic hardship hit's. The crime that was committed in this case is extreme, and then some. This is inexcusable. When an eighty year old woman is no longer safe to go to church, I don't care if you are a liberal or a conservative. You have to take a long hard look at what is causing this. It has to be fixed otherwise like I said this is going to be an unimaginable place to live. We have come so far in many aspects of American society, we have also taken many steps back. This is most certainly an example of us taking a step back.
I can't believe what I'm reading. I lived in this area for five years, These so called thugs have no reasoning for what they do, they do it because they can get away with it. There is no other reason, so don't look for it, it doesn't exist. The sad part is that we look for reasons and forget what the issue is. An old woman has been murdered at a respectable, well know church. I'm so sorry for the family and friends that knew her. Don't try and turn this into something its not. What it is, is a killing of a human being. Doesn't have anything to do with poverty and how bad things are here. They kill because they can get away with it. Has been a problem here for awhile. I've read some good ideas from some of the posts on how to solve it. But, this like all the other killings will be forgotten here in the months to come.
Who the heck would want to bring any business to a city like Y-town where you get shot in the head going to church? Mayor Jay had better do something now to stop the african-american hoodlums in the city from repeating such acts.
My sympathies to her family and I hope this shocks the current city administration into action against the black hoodlums.
It's very simple.....you do the crime....you die. This gets the message to all of the criminals. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOUR CRIME....YOUR PUNISHMENT IS DEATH. Perhaps the fact that an instant death will put a stop to so much crime.
"Silence i wasnt saying it was racism that caused her murder, it was greed and the hunger to steal from an easy target an elderly woman which is sad. I was asking you since you made the comparison between New Hampshire and Youngstown and the black population are you saying black people are the problem."
Not Black people , BUT a subculture within the Black community. You can turn on MTV or BET any given moment of the day and be subject to the stereotype gangbanger and thug image.
You can't ignore facts, and the facts are over the last TWENTY years Over 95 % of the murders in Youngstown have been commited by Black people. Now there are those that would like to deflect the direct issue and assign blame on poverty, but in the case of New Hampshire there are many more people living below the poverty level then there are people in the entire City of Youngstown. So it would stand that if poverty was the sole determining factor the state and city would have comparable numbers based on the ratio of poverty. It might be noted that a recent study has indicated that the suburbs of Youngstown have a poverty level of 14 %, not as high as Youngstown but a high enough number that you would see a higher murder rate as compared to Youngstown (if modeling is used based on poverty).
Now others in this forum would like to assign DRUGS as a cause to this tragedy, now I won't be able to argue with this assertion on its merits.
But lets not forget that many a person has made the claim ( One I agree with ) that there are more people doing drugs in the suburbs then in Youngstown. I can find no fact's to back up this claim , but if you just looked at population demographics and bahavior it would not be a reach to think this. But within this claim then you encounter another dilemma, if more people in the suburbs are doing drugs then those in the city , why then is not the murder rate higher in the suburbs.
A better comparison could have been the City of Warren a few years in the past. There was a time when the murder rate in Youngstown was more then three time higher then Warren, and they had similar demographics. A great guy in Warren Councilman Dean has been warning the City of Warren to prepare themselves to the fact that Warren was heading the way of Youngstown with it's murder rate if they did not do anythink. The Mayor at his (and the population of Warren's) own hazard ignored him and went so far as to lay off from the Police force. Now we see the trend in Warren heading to historic levels in murder.
This brings us back full circle, that the problem lies within a subculture within the BLACK community. To deal with an issue honestly you have to be able to say things that hurt sometimes, you also have to accept things that are painful to accept. This is in fact a life and death issue after all, so I don't feel hesitant to say what needs to be said.
stay classy youngstown - i can't wait to move away from this damned sh!thole town
All of these comments show us how important safety is to our community and how the people feel about where the trouble is.
This trouble we face now is the result of 50 years of social indifference and liberal policies.
This brings to mind what I often heard while working in a corp. setting...
"If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem."
If we do not settle our safety concerns in our cities and states, we could face a backlash of citizen anger that will lead to extreme socialism, which asks the question - are you a productive citizen contributing to society, or are you burden to society and have no reason for exisitng?
The next few years of social declination will determine where we end up, but the current trend does not look good.
justmyopinion, It's very simple.....you do the crime....you die. This gets the message to all of the criminals. WE WILL NOT TOLERATE YOUR CRIME....YOUR PUNISHMENT IS DEATH. Perhaps the fact that an instant death will put a stop to so much crime. I can't get a grip on why this man's life equals this wonderful lady's life. Along with his life another, perhaps his grandmother should also be put to death. In this case I'd say 5 of his relatives should be executed with him. This would really get the message out.
A window into the minds of two of the biggest idiots that ever lived.
bor-Y-lie....Your post speaks for itself. You need professional help.
USEless1....Post after post on this thread display your outrage against liberal thinking Americans because in your mind they are the reason for this tragedy. The same thing happened a couple of weeks ago and your response was good riddance because it was probably another drug dealer off the street. Turns out the victim was a stand up law abiding citizen.
Since that's how your mind works, how do you know this wasn't a drug deal gone bad. After all her name alone qualifies her as a member of organized crime doesn't it.
Now you know how ridiculous YOU sound.
Here we go it's just Youngstown again. Once again, open your eyes and see it is everywhere you look, do some research on day to day in other places. Read there news and comments about there cities. It's not just Youngstown. Give that a rest already. Open your mind and learn about other cities instead of always putting down Youngstown. Yes, it's real bad here, but it's not the only place in America that is bad. Instead of complaining about it, try to make a difference instead. Such narrow minded people on here.
One case.
Stockton,California - A northern city with a population of 300,000, read the 911calls, the daily bookings,the crime, poverty,houses,economy,etc.
Where in America are you going to find the PERFECT or a NEAR PERFECT city? Answer- Nowhere.
paulb, I'm with you. Let's hope the KKK and cambridge come into town and enact revenge. She overcomes cancer to die with a bullet to the head? This lady deserved and deserves better. She probably wouldn't condone what you and I propose, but no more white people killed by animals.
This killing should serve as a wake up call . Youngstown is in a free fall of decay . Thugs roaming the streets to kill and rob at will will never bring prosperity . City resources will be further depleted when productive people and businesses have had enough and leave the city .
While I agree something needs to be done about the violent crimes in Youngstown; sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. There has been a dramatic increase in violent crimes across the nation in cities big and small since the beginning of this depression; and the longer it lasts the more violent crime is increasing.
Here is an article from the LA Times that is getting virtually the same kind of comments from readers as we are making here in Youngstown.
My point is that if the problem is happening everywhere and its corresponds to the economy than the solution is jobs!
Perhaps we should all contact our elected representatives and encourage them to submit a grant request from the jobs bill to employ as many citizens at $10 an hour part time with no benefits to be put to work cleaning up the city, planting community gardens, doing minor repair work on public buildings (ie. new gutters on Stambaugh Golf course).
Even if the drug dealers and users don't participate in the program, seeing hundreds of people on the street cleaning up the neighborhoods is going to greatly reduce the opportunity to commit crimes without being witnessed.
The justification for paying $10 is the encourage participation, part time is to make it easy for them to participate at their convenience and to prevent those that are on public assistance from losing their long term assistance, and no benefits is because this will a temporary program.
Lets be real people this is just Youngstown we don't have the power to fix the economy or make drugs legal on a national level (which is what it would take to get the benefits of reduced usage and reduced crime). We need to focus on the community level to address the problem and the whole reason we are having this increase in violent crime is due to a lack of money in the area.
Does Youngstown need jobs ? You bet ! We need lots of low tech jobs manufacturing goods for export to the world . These thugs need to be forced to work for their food and shelter . Society does not owe them but they indeed do owe society .
So you want to tax rental units ? Fine idea . Lots of money will be generated . Those who work and can't afford to buy will pay for the crimes of those who rent and don't work . How about YSU college kids who rent ? So if the parents can afford to send them to college they can afford to pay more for rent . Right ? Why not just slap every home owner with a extra grand a year in taxes to weed out those with low incomes also ? Yep ! The possibilities are endless !
USAnone all I said was if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Reagan started this buush!! war on drugs.
It would be a real public service if the mafia puts a hit out on the guy that did this. In the old days, the mob performed services like this for the community. Take a few minutes from the gambling and drug dealing to do a service that will help everyone. Make it long and painful for him. Just an idea. Jail is too good for this animal.
This fellow will not want to be taken alive and will force YPD to take him out .
USA1 what is wrong with you. Call me a redneck, fine. And rednecks vote Republican, so obviously you are clueless. And how do you propose to deal with the problem of trash being born every day? It is the CONSERVATIVES who want this trash to be born. At least the liberals have one solution. Abort the scum and the crimes won't happen.
Eric, simple question for you, if the liberals have a solution, why have they missed so many of the scumbags? Or, is it your theory that thanks to the libs, crime is not as bad as it would be? Remember, the more of them you spit out the more money you get from the government! The conservatives are the ones that do not want the trash because they are the ones who will have to support the trash and you know it.
PaulB has it correct. Rental houses have killed the city and caused eveyone to move out. Live in it Sell it or tear it down instead of providing a place for scum to keep growing.
If you work for a living and invest in a home, you care about the neighbor and what is effecting it. The entire South Side has turned into a big "ghetto" for low income people who have no ties or responsibilities to anything or anyone. They just move along to the next house.
Youngstown and other outlining communities should start passing laws now to discourage this or the scum will keep getting large and keep more absolutely horrible savage senseless acts like this from occuring.
Why are some people bringing up political views? To all the people talking like they know it all what are yall doing to help? People act like it would be great with a republican it doesn't matter the same problems will exsist. From reading alot of some peoples replies in this headline just shows how much ignorance with americans in general need to change before we get progress.
I believe you guys have missed the mark. I know for a fact that many elderly Catholic women pray earnestly that God would take them home. This 80 year cancer survivor most likely stayed overtime at Mass to pray that God would bring her home to heaven.God used an unknown person whom white folks assume was a black man because of the predominately black neighborhood to answer her prayers. This was a divine act of God and the man God used for this supernatural act will never be found.The unbelieving YPD will arrest an innocent black man to appease the bloodthirsting white heathens. Rest in peace Sister Angeline.
dateline you need to flatline.
"I believe you guys have missed the mark. I know for a fact that many elderly Catholic women pray earnestly that God would take them home. This 80 year cancer survivor most likely stayed overtime at Mass to pray that God would bring her home to heaven.God used an unknown person whom white folks assume was a black man because of the predominately black neighborhood to answer her prayers. This was a divine act of God and the man God used for this supernatural act will never be found.The unbelieving YPD will arrest an innocent black man to appease the bloodthirsting white heathens."
DATELINE--The fact that you even wrote this on here shows you literally just like the sound of your own voice or to be politically correct the sound of your fingers typing. The only fact in your "statement" is that yes Catholic's pray to God to be taken to Heaven but
In no way, shape, or form do we pray to DIE. My Aunt Angie was a cancer SURVIVOR! I'm not sure how the word is used within your vocabulary but in the rest of the world's that means TO LIVE. She never asked anyone for anything. Gave all she had to help others and had a very strong and loving connection with her entire family. So I do not know who you think you are to say you know for a fact she was asking God to take her.
And if you haven't heard the news, their is a suspect that was arrested TODAY. Not to appease us "white heathens" but to bring him to justice for doing an unthinkable thing!
Furthermore, it does not matter whether the sick individual who committed the crime was white, black, green, orange, or pink. For you to make him look like someone God chose to perform this horrendous act is repulsing to me.
In the future you might want to think about your statements a little bit more thoroughly. I will say a prayer for you tonight.
A lot of you here are just pathetic. Its easy folks, Turn to God, quit pointing fingers, we all have remained silent when we shouldnt. It takes one voice to make change. The fact is a human life was taken by the hand of another.Its unacceptable!!!. Not one person in this post including me has done anything to make any differance. Its easy to boast on here, not so easy to get out there and truly make a differance.So instead of stabbing each OTHER VERBALLY, WHY DON'T WE ALL STAND TOGETHER FOR ONE GOAL WE ALL BELIEVE IN. Accountability, morality, and looking out for each other instead of looking the other way.
Remember Jack Hunter? Republican Mayor of Youngstown? Those were proud, proud days!
No crime (no mafia, Jack was too tuff!, and Republicans don't take bribes or put up with any GUFF!!!).
Plenty of JOBS (Republicans LOVE jobs! Jack Hunter made sure, as is required of ALL Republican office holders, to ensure that there were lots and lots of GOOD PAYING jobs!)
No CRACK (Republicans HATE drugs. Especially CRACK! Is it any wonder that there was no crack until JACK HUNTER was GONE?!?)
The OLD people of today were much YOUNGER then ( are you in your 80's? Under Jack Hunter you would have been in your 50's! Need I say more?)
So, to reiterarate, Youngstown under a REPUBLICAN, like JACK C. HUNTER = GOOD! No CRIME! Lots of JOBS! And old people were YOUNGER!!!
(also, when JACK C. HUNTER was the MAYOR, that guy named "MOOK" did not exist. And if he DID exist, and had tried this, the boys from the local ITAM would have "fixed" that problem, much to the delight of the YPD at the time, who were pretty busy keeping the MAFIA in line by trying to accept all the money they could from them, hoping to keep it off the streets (See U.S. vs. Jim Trafficant, US District court).
"The conservatives are the ones that do not want the trash because they are the ones who will have to support the trash and you know it."
What does that mean? The conservaties are the ones who want to make sure all of the trash is born. The conservatives fight abortion and protest birth control handed out in public schools. Exactly how do the conservatives prevent the trash from being born?
"The unbelieving YPD will arrest an innocent black man to appease the bloodthirsting white heathens. Rest in peace Sister Angeline"
Mook has been found ! Are you related to him ?
I never said to abort every black male child. Typical conservative stance; distort everything to somehow make you look better.
Conservatives are good at complaining but never offer solutions. How exactly do you want to handle the increasing crime ravaging our cities?
A poor woman was murdered and all most of you can do is argue politics, race and religion. How sad.
"God used an unknown person whom white folks assume was a black man because of the predominately black neighborhood to answer her prayers. This was a divine act of God and the man God used for this supernatural act will never be found."
It's not assumed he was black, he was. This was NOT a divine act of God and was NOT a supernatural act, it was a cold blooded animal (devil) that did this. Supernatural? You really need to start looking to God for answers and quit being a racist.
I hope you weren't serious in your post.
It's funny how all these racial statements are being said and some of the people saying them directly/indirectly will be the first ones saying how they are so sick of the race card. I guess now it must mean if someone has the same last name as you and same ethnic background as you must mean yall both are kin to each other now according to a reply on here.
@MVP I agree but vindy needs to get a better moderation of these ignorant comments being made daily or just disable the comments from being made on here period. Some people have lost their minds with the stuff they are saying on here.
Nunya22 sometimes the truth hurts.It's called freedom of speech,just because you and a few others don't like some opinions,doesn't give you the right to shut people up.You get to say what you want,without being censored.
The facts are the killer is a 18 year old black man who robbed and shot a 80 year old woman,in cold blood.There is no defense there,just facts.
@ mikeymike I didn't say anything about anyone having an opinion ( You can have your opinion but when should there be limits on this site?). But in this world we really dont have a real freedom of speech anyway so that statement of yours is somewhat incurrect (this website censores us anyway to a certain extent) . Also what gives some people the right to jump to a conclusion saying ignorant stuff about people they dont know anything about and dont have anything to do with the situation in question with no facts at all to the point there is racial/religious/ political bs and etc stuff being stated. Some of the things I have read on this vindy is some reasons why some countries dont have alot of respect for us Americans as a whole generalizing all of us. Also last time I had checked currect me if I am wrong this young black male was only charged not convicted and charged as guilty of murder currect? So where is these facts at that he is automatically guilty? I am in no way defending this young person but just because they have someone in custody doesn't mean that they are always the person who did the crime is my only point. But if he did it he deserves everything coming to him for what he did he didn't have to kill this elderly woman she probably wouldn't have put up a fight at all and just gave him what he wanted.
Brownlee+++You visited Jesus everyday in the Blessed Sacrament and no doubt prayed for sinners like us.+++You went to church while we went on with our more important lives.+++You sought to overtake evil in the world by your good works.+++Like Mary Magdelen you washed the Feet of Jeus!
Everyone's days are numbered and God knew from All Time when you would be called.+++But who among you will take her place at Mass and pray? Who among you will stop the hate?+++Who will say just one prayer?
How much better to Light just One Candle than to curse the darkness!
God Bless!
"Your town is absolute garbage!"
And where is your paradise that you reside in? Would love to read your daily paper and news and comments.
"It's not the black peoples' fault, it's all of these pork-eating goyim who rule this area's fault."
Please if your going to comment, expand your mind a little, instead of the same old boring posts you type. I'm sure your teachers taught you more then that.
"Why were all of foxtrot's comments removed, and the racist rants left posted?"
If you know how to copy and paste, do that on the racist rants from the comments? Maybe I'm naive but I don't see any racist comments.
The issue isn't race. The issue is our community secluding into its own hole hoping that crime will stop. Other comments on other topics state that the issue on crime is the cultural difference amongst the different area's of the city. The last time I checked federal, state, and local laws applied to the entire area. Race, gender, age, and income does not give anyone the right to commit such horrific crimes. This young man needs to be made an example of not only for his crime, but for the citizens of Youngstown to wake up and become part of the solution. The people of Youngstown need to become much more vigilant against criminal activity!
Silence_Dogood :
"Why , Why , Why is there TWICE as many murders in just the City of Youngstown then there is in the ENTIRE state of New Hampshire."
We are much further south and global warming has affected us more ? Well if it's not that how about our culture here in Youngstown ?
Jay sez: Do we have a problem with crime ?
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I am taken aback that there are people who subscribe to this thinking. The fatherless group has just as much dignity in their personhood as you. Fatherless children may grow up at higher risk to commit crimes, I am not arguing that. I would support that. Birth control has already proliferated this country, so obviously, that doesn't solve the issue. Abortion to weed out the fatherless? Come on, killing our children has done nothing to help anyone anywhere at any time. Perhaps, as a community we should all try to embrace and help the single mother by being a role model. Perhaps these children growing up in fatherless homes would do much better if all of you looked around to see who you could become a role model for. Or is it easier for you to sit back and suggest killing them? Get up, get out there, and do something. And by the way, what do you think Angeline might say about this? I don't think that she would suggest killing children who are the most vulnerable of all, in their mother's womb. What a disgrace to her memory to post something like that. To suggest getting a liscence to become a parent....Remeber, being a parent is not a right, its a gift. A gift. A blessing. Do something to help those in your community around you. I believe that Angeline was rock steadfast in her faith. She probably would be praying for you and this man that killed her. God bless her family, my prayers go out to you. Its tragedy all around, and it certainly doesn't get better when we try to fix it by killing our children. I pray for Angeline, her family, her killer, his family, and those at St Dominics. Leaving the church gives in to the evil.
So you don't think that Jamar Houser deserves any priority ?
Exactly what other murders recently haven't been solved yet?


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for Health Care Providers
HIV Testing and Patient Consent Issues
Q: Who should be tested for HIV infection?
HIV testing should be part of routine medical care for all veterans. All patients who do not have documentation of an HIV test in their health record should be tested for HIV at the first reasonable opportunity, provided they consent. All patients who are documented to be HIV negative and who have risk factors or clinical indications of HIV should be tested for HIV at least annually, provided they consent. Patients should not be tested excessively (e.g., patients with a negative HIV test who have no risk factors and no clinical indications for HIV testing should generally not be retested, unless the patient requests such testing). (August 2009)
Q: Is pre-test counseling required before HIV testing?
No. However, patients must be provided with appropriate educational materials and given the opportunity to have any questions answered before giving consent. (August 2009)
Q: Is written informed consent required for HIV testing?
No. Verbal informed consent, documented in the patient's electronic health record, is sufficient. (August 2009)
Q: What kinds of educational materials can be used?
Educational materials must include the following:
- A description of HIV disease;
- A description of HIV testing;
- A description of the expected benefits and known risks associated with HIV testing, including the possibility that VA may disclose test results to the public health authorities and to the patient's spouse or sexual partner;
- A description of the reasonable alternatives to HIV testing, the anticipated consequences of choosing no HIV testing, and the availability of anonymous testing. NOTE: Anonymous testing is not available everywhere in the United States;
- A description of the meaning of a positive and a negative HIV test;
- A description of how HIV is transmitted; and
- A description of measures to be taken for prevention of HIV transmission.
NOTE: Nationally standardized educational materials for HIV testing are available electronically in the iMedConsentTM library, which can be accessed through the Computerized Patient Record System (CPRS). Materials are also available from this website. (August 2009)
Q: Does the provider have to discuss HIV testing with the patient before ordering a test?
Yes. Patients should never be tested without their knowledge, and must be given the opportunity to ask questions and discuss the test with their provider. (August 2009)
Q: At our facility, we have been told that only physicians or people with specialized training can obtain consent for HIV testing. Is this true? Do VA regulations specify which health care professionals can obtain consent?
Consent for HIV testing can be obtained by any health care professional authorized to order HIV testing, or any health care professional whose scope of practice agreement or other formal delineation of job responsibility specifically permits them to obtain informed consent. (August 2009)
Q: Can providers other than physicians order an HIV test?
Yes. Depending on scope of practice, other providers, such as nurse practitioners and physician assistants may be able to order an HIV test. In addition, registered nurses may be able to order an HIV test as part of a standing order, after verbal informed consent is obtained.
Q: Are VA labs required to ensure that consent has been obtained before processing a blood specimen?
No, the lab is no t required to determine whether the patient has given consent for testing before processing a specimen. It is the responsibility of the ordering provider to ensure that consent has been obtained. (August 2009)
Q: Some of the providers at our facility have argued that if we use an HIV viral load test (HIV-RNA) to test for an initial HIV test result that informed consent by the patient isn't necessary. They have argued that the informed consent requirement is only true for the HIV antibody test. Is this true?
No. The VA regulations requiring verbal informed consent apply to any laboratory test that is ordered for the purpose of establishing an initial diagnosis of HIV. This requirement is based on the purpose of the testing (e.g., for diagnosis), not the type of HIV testing being ordered. This consent is not needed for a viral load test that is being done as part of routine care once the diagnosis of HIV has already been made in a patient. (August 2009)
Q: Is it permissible to routinely ask for consent to conduct HIV testing in all patients undergoing surgical procedures?
Routinely requesting testing in the pre-operative setting may be interpreted as being a condition for receiving the appropriate surgical care, and is thus coercive and not ethical. Veterans may not be denied necessary medical care based on HIV status, and Standard Precautions to prevent exposure to blood-borne pathogens should always be employed regardless of the patient's HIV infection status. (June 2005)
Q: How can we obtain HIV testing for a patient who lacks decision making capacity?
In an emergency situation in which a patient lacks decision- making capacity and there is no surrogate available to provide consent, HIV testing is permissible if knowledge of the patient's HIV status is necessary to provide immediate medical care to the patient to prevent loss of life or irreversible morbidity. However, HIV testing is not permitted without the consent of the patient or a legally designated surrogate decision-maker to determine HIV status in cases of occupational exposure. (August 2009)
Q: What are the requirements for documentation of verbal informed consent for HIV testing?
Verbal informed consent should be documented in the patient's electronic health record. (August 2009)


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UEFA club competition honours (runners-up in brackets)
Domestic honours (most recent triumph in brackets)
• Women's Serie A: 4 (2008/09)
• Women's Coppa Italia: 3 (2008/09)
• Italian Women's Super Cup: 1 (2000/01)
• The club were founded in 1995, beginning life in the regional championship Serie C. Immediate back-to-back promotions ensured the club was playing its maiden season in the top flight in 1997/98 and after several seasons of Serie A consolidation, the club obtained its first national trophy by winning the 2001 Super Cup.
• A first league title arrived a few years later, as a Bardolino Verona side featuring Italian national team stars Valentina Boni, Patrizia Panico (32-goal joint top scorer) and Melania Gabbiadini (the team's current captain) won the 2004/05 Scudetto. The following campaign brought UEFA Women's Cup football but, despite finishing unbeaten in their first qualifying round group and recording two wins, they were eliminated on goal difference.
• They were not to feature again in the competition until 2007/08 after the top-scoring Panico had fired them to a second Scudetto. Returning in style, they were only eliminated by eventual champions 1. FFC Frankfurt in the last four, in front of a 14,000-strong crowd - an Italian women's sporting record.
• Two more domestic titles and another brace of capocannoniere crowns for Panico arrived before the club moved its headquarters in 2010/2011 from Lake Garda to Verona. Their home ground is now the 3,000-capacity Olivieri Stadium in Via Sogare. Last season the Gialloblu finished second in Serie A, just two points behind Torres, so returned to Europe after a year's absence.


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Large hail, drowning swimmers, shipwrecks and tornadoes top the list of Michigan weather events on this day in history. From the National Weather Service archives here are the events that happened on August 5.
1875 - The wood scow-schooner Ella Doak was bound from Ludington, Mich. to Hedgehog with a partial load of riprap, when she was driven ashore in a gale and wrecked at Hedgehog Harbor, WI near Death's Door in the Bay of Green Bay.
1931 - The mercury rose to a record of 102° degrees in Saginaw.
1947 - The temperature hits 93° at Muskegon and 100° at Grand Rapids, where it will reach the century mark again the next day. A total of 17 days during the month had high temperatures of 90° or above at Grand Rapids. This is the hottest August on record for Grand Rapids and Muskegon, and the second hottest for Lansing. Temperatures reached 100° in Sault Ste. Marie. Houghton had a high temperature of 103°, Marquette topped out at 102° with a low of 82°, the warmest low temperature in August ever.
1950 - The wood fishing tug Vernon, was rammed and sank in dense fog by freighter Harry Colby off Grand Marais, MI in Lake Superior. Colby picked up her crew.
1968 - Tornadoes caused scattered damage across Lower Michigan. One tornado hit southeast of Grand Rapids, damaging several farms from Kentwood and into Ionia County. Another tornado damaged two houses southwest of Lansing. A third tornado damaged a boat and dock near Houghton Lake in Roscommon County.
1977 - An F1 tornado touched down 5.8 miles southeast of Sault Ste. Marie in the late afternoon. The tornado headed east for 1.6 miles, crossed the Saint Mary's River and caused $25,000 worth of property damage as it lifted on the west side of Sugar Island.
1979 - 1.75 inch hail (golf ball sized) fell 2.4 miles southeast of Moran in Mackinac County at 0300 EST out of a severe thunderstorm
1988 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather from Indiana and Lower Michigan to Pennsylvania and New York State during the day. Thunderstorms in Michigan produced wind gusts to 80 mph at Ashley, Hastings and Lennon. (Storm Data) (National Weather Summary)
1989 - 2.5 inch hail (tennis ball sized) fell 0.8 mile west of the Bay Mills Reservation in the late afternoon in a severe thunderstorm.
2010 - A father and his son both drowned in high waves and strong rip currents in Grand Marais Harbor in the midafternoon. Northwest winds gusting over 30 mph at times contributed to the high waves and strong rip currents. High waves and rip currents also led to the drowning of two swimmers near Presque Isle in Marquette.


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I am travelling from JFK to KTM via New Delhi, India. My transit time is around 16 hours in New Delhi. Do I have to get transit visa in New Delhi to stay in the airport?
US citizen or not, you need Transit Visa if you are not Indian. Although there are visa exceptions for 10 countries Japan, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Cambodia, Singapore, Finland, Laos, Indonesia, Philippines, etc.
The visa service is outsourced to VFS global (UK and RotW) and BLS International (for USA) who deal with multiple countries' visa applications. Here is the link for Indian Visa services in the USA
You probably have to visit this page
One thing is that you have not mentioned in your passport whether or not you hold the dual citizenship (or if you are an Indian-American). In anyway, the links that I provided above should do the job for you.


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The North American PS3 Squad Leader.
The people we are looking for for these roles must have most, or all, of the following attributes:
Be a fully fledged TOG member with good standing in our community that can demonstrate a track record of positive input in the TOG forums. (Does not necessarily have to be the console forums, PC forums are just as acceptable
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This is a must have!
Have a good knowledge of their console of choice. We are not looking for technical knowledge of the inner workings of the console, but a strong understanding of the features of the units and the peripherals available for them. A knowledge of at least the AAA titles for the console of choice would be cool as well
A drive to help set up online events on your console of choice.
A desire to be active on the console forums so as to grow community spirit, grow membership and to aid those that have questions regarding their console of choice.
Enjoys playing console games -
This is a must have!
The role(s) main focus is to organize fellow TOGers in online gaming events, suggest ideas to help improve / grow our Division and generally share information you find regarding your console of choice with your fellow TOG mates.
While your role will be very important to the Division, it will not be "taxing" of your spare time. At all times you must be enjoying this role and having fun to be good at it
If anyone has an interest in one of the above roles, please PM one of the current Squad Leaders (Fall of Enosis, Ancient_one or Kiz) or myself with any questions.
After that if you feel that you would enjoy the role and would like to put your hand up for one of the roles, please PM me only. (Just so no one gets missed).
Applications will be taken up to and until the 27/05/2010.
I look forward to the responses
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This one is set as default gw on Ubuntu:
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I am a fairly aggressive driver. I remember one of my friends in high school was so hesitant to cross a busy road one school day when we were late returning from lunch. She would inch forward and then slam on her brakes a dozen times, at least, before she gunned it across the road. I was so anxious and sure that her hesitation was going to get me killed, that I made a mental note to never be timid when driving.
I was probably too aggressive of a driver in high school, as my past moving violations would tell you. But, I haven't had a ticket in over a decade (where is that wood? knock knock KNOCK!). I'm pretty alert--especially now that the cell phones have been pretty much banned from drivers in the state of Utah. Oh, don't lecture me. I get it.
I also talk to the other drivers like they can hear me. Do you do that? Rhett once lectured me for reprimanding some crazy driver. This lady was SO mad that I turned in front of her in a parking lot. She was visibly yelling at me, so I said "Chill out!" It's one of my favorite defensive driving phrases. Rhett asked why I said that. He was three at the time. I explained it to him and he said, "That's not very nice of you. Maybe she is sad."
Dude. I know. This kid, I tell you, is going to be the one to convince me to stop being sarcastic. If it weren't for his wicked use of the sarcasm gene already. He told the most elaborate story the other night during dinner about how he kissed his girl friend (two words) while they were watching a movie. He had us all convinced and Johnny mad that Rhett beat him to kissing a girl. Then, totally deadpan, he says, "Guys, I am kidding. I didn't kiss her."
I digress into the miraculous stories of our Rhett. I could go on for hours. Like how he corrected a friend for saying "fill" instead of "feel". I should NOT have been proud of him in that moment, but I sure was. See? I can't stop. The kid is the freaking bees knees.
So, driving. I am aggressive, and Rhett tells me to be nice. I really do try to give other drivers the benefit of the doubt. What if they have a brand new baby on board? Oh, every time my kids were new babies, I would freak out about how crazy other drivers were. Especially the teenagers. "Don't they know there is a tiny human in the back of this car? Slow down, ya jerks!" The yellow "BABY ON BOARD" signs are there for a reason, folks. New parents are PARANOID.
Or what if other drivers just got horrible news? What if their spouse is in the hospital? I remember when I was driving home from the doctor with a paralyzed face and an eye patch. Rhett was six days old and it was Maggie's eighth birthday. The neurologist had just told me that they wanted me to take more tests because they were pretty sure I had multiple sclerosis. The sun was setting and I couldn't help but cry all of the way home. I drove so carefully because I was freaking out about the ice on the streets and my blurred vision. I SHOULD NOT have been driving, but there I was. I looked over at the car next to me at the stop light and they were laughing and talking. I felt so pathetic. Why had I not realized before how many people were driving around distraught like I currently was? Would I ever drive around again happy and singing to music? Would my eye ever go back to normal?
Luckily, it did. I did.
But DUDES, sometimes when I am driving and there is some hotshot driver who speeds up to the car in front of him so he can pass every car in every freaking lane, I kind of go bananas. We get it, you are super important and you must get to your destination before every other person on this freeway. Sometimes I wonder, "What would Jesus do?" I seriously do. I wonder how Jesus would drive. Would he let every other driver pass him? Would he punch the gas to pass that teenager who can't decide what speed they want to drive? Would he slow down and let the hotshot get to wherever he is going faster?
I think Jesus would never get anywhere. Alan thinks Jesus would walk.
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I am a fairly aggressive driver. I remember one of my friends in high school was so hesitant to cross a busy road one school day when we were late returning from lunch. She would inch forward and then slam on her brakes a dozen times, at least, before she gunned it across the road. I was so anxious and sure that her hesitation was going to get me killed, that I made a mental note to never be timid when driving.
by Anna Macfarlane at 4:44 AM
Labels: aggressive, cars, driving, how would Jesus drive, what would Jesus do, who I am
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- Sue said...
I'm with Alan.
- May 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM


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The Huskies look to buck the Broncos in the season finale
Huskies and Falcons were tied 0-0 after the first half
The Redhawks scored in the 6th, 51st and 53 minutes to defeat the Huskies
Huskies travel to Bowling Green for the first time in Carrie Barker era
Head women's soccer coach Carrie Barker now enters her fourth season at the helm of the Huskie women's soccer program in 2011. In her three previous years she has led the team to a record of 23-26-9 (.474), including 11 wins in Mid-American Conference play.In her three seasons at Northern Illinois, Barker has led the Huskies to the MAC Tournament to compete for the conference's automatic berth to the NCAA Championship. NIU has averaged seven shutouts a season and has only allowed 1.12 goals per match in that same time frame.2010 saw the Huskies return to postseason play, as they won nine matches and boasted a 9-9-1 record, including a 5-5-1 record, sixth-place, in the MAC. Defender Mo Smunt became the first Huskie to be named first team All-Mid-American Conference since 1999, after aiding a defense that recorded seven shutouts (t-fourth in MAC) and recording a goal and an assist. Smunt, along with forward Anne Wyer, were named to the All-MAC's All-Academic team for their work on the field and in the classroom.
In 2009, NIU Barker saw defender Lauren Eberts become the third player in school history named to the Mid-American Conference All-Freshman team. In addition, Northern Illinois goalkeeper Lindsey Curnock broke the MAC record for career shutouts with 27, while setting the Northern Illinois record for career shutouts.
Barker's team carries its passion for success into the classroom. During the 2009-10 academic year, the Huskies earned a 3.265 grade point average, marking the fourth-straight semester the NIU women's soccer team has achieved a cumulative grade point average of 3.0 or higher under Barker's guidance. The Huskies have had 15 players honored as Victory Scholars (3.50-4.00 GPA) and 20 earn Huskie Scholars (3.00-3.49 GPA) status over the past two years.
In her first season with NIU, Barker guided the Huskies to their best start in school history, jumping out of the gate with a 5-1-3 record. Northern Illinois also posted seven wins (7-2-1) at the then-brand new NIU Track and Field & Soccer Complex, and shutout its opponents nine times on the season.
The Huskies ended the 2008 season with a record of 9-6-5 (5-4-2 MAC) to claim their second nine-plus win season in the past decade. NIU earned the No. 6 seed in the Mid-American Conference Tournament, but dropped a 2-0 decision to third-seeded Eastern Michigan in the first round.
Now entering year number four in the Cardinal and Black, Barker welcomes back 16 letterwinners, including six starters, to go along with 12 newcomers who will be instrumental in helping the Huskies to climb the MAC standings and chase a postseason berth.
Prior to arriving in DeKalb, Barker served as assistant coach for three seasons at Wisconsin, her alma mater. There, she helped the Badgers clinch two NCAA Tournament appearances and a Big Ten Tournament Championship in 2005. During the 2004 season, Wisconsin earned a NCAA first round victory. While on the Badger staff, Barker was the camp director and was part of an International Tour to Germany during the 2006 Men's World Cup Tournament.
Before her term in Madison, Barker was part of seven-consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances, including a 2002 quarterfinal berth, during seven years as an assistant coach at Michigan. Barker helped the Wolverines advance to the NCAA second round six times, reach the third round twice, and capture a pair of Big Ten Tournament titles. While at Michigan, Barker served as interim head coach during part of the 2001 season and was the camp director for six years.
Barker is a United States Soccer Federation "A" licensed coach. She has also held positions on the 2004 under-14 National Team staff, the Michigan Olympic Development Program staff for seven years and the Olympic Development Region II Staff from 1990-93. In 1996, Barker was on the coaching staff for the Michigan Hawks, one of the top club programs in the nation.
A four-year letterwinner at Wisconsin, Barker, then Carrie Maier, captained the 1994 Big Ten Tournament Championship team and helped the Badgers reach the NCAA quarterfinals three times, and advanced to the national title game in 1991. Individually, Barker was named a second-team central region All-American in 1990.
Following her collegiate career, Barker played five seasons in the "W" League, two years of semi-pro soccer in Denmark and was part of the WUSA, the first women's professional soccer league, in 2000.
Barker has vast experience in international competition as a member of the U.S. Olympic Festival team from 1997-99, Olympic Development regional team from 1995-99 and having played or coached in Denmark, Germany, Italy, Holland, Sweden and Belgium.
The Farmington Hills, Mich., native became the first female inducted into the Farmington High School Athletic Hall of Fame in 2001.
Barker, who was born in Bogota, Colombia, graduated from Wisconsin in 1995 with a bachelor's degree in recreation resource management. She and her husband, Stuart, reside in DeKalb.
Birthdate: Nov. 18, 1971Birthplace: Bogota, ColombiaHometown: Farmington Hills, Mich.High School: Farmington High SchoolCollege: University of Wisconsin, 1995. (B.S. recreation resource management)
College Coaching ExperienceHead Coach, Northern Illinois, 2008- PresentAssistant Coach, Wisconsin, 2004-06Assistant Coach, MIchigan, 1997-2003
Club Coaching ExperienceStaff, Wisconsin Olympic Development Program, 2005-06Staff, U-14 National Camp, 2004Staff, MIchigan Olympic Development Program U-18, 1995, 1997-2002Staff, MIchigan Hawks, 1996Staff, Region II Olympic Development Program, 1990-93
Career HighlightsNSCAA central region second-team All-American, 1990NCAA championship runner-up, 1990Big Ten champions, 1994World Cup Organizing Committee, Detroit 1994Olympic Festival selection, 1997-99W-League Combine, 2000Farmington High School Hall of Fame, 2001


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Babylon's Ark: The Incredible Wartime Rescue of the Baghdad Zoo (original 2007; edition 2008)
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Babylon's Ark: The Incredible Wartime Rescue of the Baghdad Zoo by Lawrence Anthony (2007)
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Having read Anthony's other two books I knew this would be very good. The combination of Anthony, Spence and Simon Vance (narrator) is uniquely good. My regret is knowing there will be no more books, as Anthony died a few years ago. Too soon.This is probably one of the better books about the Iraq War ca. 2003 as it deals not only with saving the zoo animals but the mood and atmosphere of Baghdad in the days immediately after invasion from a non-American, non-Iraqi, non-participant. Anthony became a minor celebrity among Americans and Iraqi's alike due his noble mission and spirit, and that brought focus to rebuilding the zoo as one of the early reconstruction efforts. Thanks to American tax pay dollars for destroying and rebuilding. My only regret is the book doesn't have an update on what happened to the zoo in the years after 2003. The Wikipedia article about the zoo mentions not many big animals are left mostly birds. What happened to the lion cubs and the dogs? The old bear? The Arabian horses? And what happened to the zoo director? Many unanswered questions. Regardless a wonderful book and something rarely covered well, animals in war (besides dogs).
This was an excellent book. It grabs you right from the beginning and doesn't let go. Lawrence Anthony tells of his amazing journey to Baghdad to rescue the zoo that had been decimated by war. What he describes is truly heartbreaking, but with an indomitable spirit and the support of others who shared his vision, the zoo flourished and can now be enjoyed by the Iraqi people.
This is truly one of the best stories to come from the war in Iraq. A riveting read!
This is a fascinating book about one man's concern for animals in a country he had no connection with. The only connection he had with the zoo is via media reports. Lawrence Anthony worked very hard to get the zoo up and running. The zoo staff's passion makes you want to work with them to get the zoo running. I learned more about the war through this book than any newspaper report.
I learned recently that Lawrence Anthony died in March. I didn't know anything about him until I read this book, and even then, my knowledge was limited. Of course, it takes his death to learn more about him and find out that he was a respected leader for African wildlife conservation.
I'd seen this book at my library many times and finally decided to check it out due to some zoo research I've been doing. It was a very quick and engaging read. The story is about how Anthony found out about the plight of the animals at the Baghdad Zoo during the Iraq invasion and decided that he had to go and help out at any cost.
To say the book is eye-opening is probably an understatement. Not only do you get to witness the utter devastation at the Baghdad Zoo, but you also get to experience life in a war zone. It's no picnic, in case you were unsure. However, the dedication of Anthony, along with the perseverence of the Baghdad Zoo caretakers, and even the care and aid of the soldiers in the area was something fantastic to read about.
The book moved me to anger, to tears, and sometimes even (the faintest, tiniest bit of) hope. No matter what you feel about war, I think this is a good read for animal lovers and people interested in zoos.
This book tells a remarkable story about a man who decided to prove a point about the value of wildlife by venturing into war-torn Baghdad to save the deserted animals at the zoo. It would have been far easier to shoot those animals on the spot when he arrived and put them out of their misery, but this was not why he was there. He was there to say that the callousness of humans against nature and animals has gone too far and that those animals deserve life and respect.
Anthony Lawrence is an engaging storyteller and if I did not know better I would think that some of the events that happened were fiction. I must admit that I have very little knowledge of the situation in Iraq before the war so it was interesting yet appalling to read about some of that too. It gives a backdrop as to how animals could be relegated to such deplorable conditions. Saddam Hussein, his administration and his family reigned terror on their people and this reflected on how the animals were treated. A man who can crash a wedding ceremony and rape the bride there and then is capable of anything.
Another fascinating aspect of the book was the ethics of animal conservation. Anthony Lawrence states that theory can be nice but when faced with practical reality you have to be pragmatic. He was referring specifically to some conservationists' objections to using donkeys as meat for the lions. The final chapters bring the clashes of various agencies and ideologies to the fore - should captive animals be set free? should animals be considered property or cultural "assets"? what is the place of zoos and what compromises can be made? These are all difficult questions to answer.
I do, however, have an issue with the moral schizophrenia that abounds in conservation. There is a real dilemma in killing animals to feed carnivorous beings like lions. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. But there is absolutely no need for humans to do so to feed themselves. As much as I object to using animals from an ethical point of view, from a purely environmental point of view it is also problematic. I've never understood greenies who eat animal products of which there are several mentions in the book. I also did not understand the arbitrary nature of them wanting to save the horses from Arabian stock but not 'regular' horses. This is putting an anthropocentric rationale as to which beings to save purely on their economic value and heritage rather than their inherent right to life.
Overall, this is a very engaging book from a pure storytelling point of view. I have nothing but admiration and esteem for people who will risk their lives to assist those in situations of exploitation. The book is very thought-provoking but in my opinion, falls short in the solutions offered. If the rating system allowed, I would give this 4.5 stars.
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