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Two players take turns to toss a coin; the winner is the first to toss a head. What is the probability that the first player to toss the coin wins?
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The probability that the first time a head is flipped is on the $i$th turn is $(1/2)^i$. Thus, the probability that the first person wins is
\begin{align} (1/2) + (1/2)^3 + (1/2)^5 + \dots \end{align}
Can you recognize this as a geometric series?
Let's call $p$ the probability the first player wins
Assume first player tosses heads the first turn then he wins. If that is not the case then he tosses tails, hence the probability he wins is if the second loses which is equal to $1-p$ (the roles have been reversed)
Put it all in an equation $p= \frac{1}{2} \cdot 1 +\frac{1}{2} \cdot (1-p) \Rightarrow p=\frac{2}{3}$

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Human beings aren't the only ones who can get attack of depression. Felines do to and if it's not addressed, a cat can develop serious medical problems as a result. If you perceive your kitty is gloomy and depressed, consult a veterinarian as quickly as you can. Now is not too soon.
Cats do not like change - particularly abrupt, major changes that upset their standard routine in a major way. Keeping this in mind, some of the circumstances which may prompt feline depression are:
• Loss of a family member or of a companion animal
• Excessive shouting and arguing between people in the family home
• Change of surroundings such as a new home or boarding cattery
• Any unexpected change in routine such as his/her owner who was at home much of the time lands a new job and is now out much more.
Signs of feline depression are: lack of grooming, loss or lack of appetite, lack of energy, excessive napping, personality changes, constant meowing, hiding for long periods of times, deliberately doing things he/she knows are wrong and stopping to use his/her litter box.
General lethargy and loss of appetite and can point to depression, but they can also be a sign of physical illnesses which will need to be established and taken care of before they get any worse. So, if you notice there's any chance your cat's sudden change in personality, appetite or habits could be due to a physical illness, you should take him/her to the veterinarian immediately.
If there's nothing physically wrong with your feline and he/she's simply depressed because of state of affairs he/she doesn't like, kitty will need loads of affection, attention and assurance to get his/her feline self back on track. You can't always remove the cause of the anxiety, but by making her/him feel secure and protected you can go a long way towards lifting the sad moods.
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Giving him catnip as a special treat may help to lift his/her mood.
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A HIGH street bank has been lambasted by a Barnsley man who is fighting an incurable muscle wasting disease - for its attitude towards the disabled.
Ian Pratt has motor neurone disease, which causes weakness and wasting of muscles.
His body is wasting away, he has lost more than five stones in weight and needs an electric wheelchair to get out of his Monk Bretton home.
So when he arrived at the RBS branch in Barnsley town centre earlier this week he was faced with an insurmountable problem.
There are three steps that have to be mounted to get into the bank and there is no ramp.
A small sign does say that people requiring assistance can ring the bell - but that bell has been removed.
Ian, 44, finally had to resort to asking a stranger if they would pay a cheque into his bank account for him.
Even when that stranger told staff inside the bank on Church Street of Ian's predicament- no-one from the bank went outside to offer him any assistance.
To rub salt into the wounds when Ian got home and phoned the RBS customer services line to ask why there was not an operational bell outside the bank, he was advised he should go to the RBS branch in Sheffield 16 miles away.
Ian, from Newhill Road, said: "I'm very angry and extremely frustrated by this. If there is a legitimate legal reason why there cannot be a ramp to enable wheelchair access at the very least there should be a bell we could ring.
"I thought the staff might at least have come outside when they were told I was stuck out here, but they didn't and the response I got from the customer services line, quite frankly, I found condescending."
A spokesman for RBS said: "It's unacceptable that Mr Pratt could not access our branch to conduct his banking in person and we have apologised to him for the inconvenience and frustration caused.
"The call-bell has been repaired and we will ensure it is checked regularly."
That's banking for you! I've worked in banking for quite a few years and had to quit due to being bullied. I have a heading impairment which has lead my to be profoundly deaf in one ear and severely in the other which I use a hearing aid for. I've also visited other banks and have received horrible comments when I haven't heard the teller call me over. Banks no nothing about disability, I know as I've worked for two seperate ones and they control many other groups too.
He should have spoken with Unity Law in Sheffield, they helped my cousin who is disabled.
its not just RBS which is completely inaccessible Lloyds is the same but at least lloyds had the decency to come out and help someone like myself in a wheelchair. Hope he put an official complaint in as its disgusting in this day and age
Even if there was a bell someone suffering with MND may not even have the ability or be strong enough to actually press the bell !!! Having no disabled access is just not on at all!!!! Xx
I thought all buildings open to the general public had to have facilities for the disabled. Any way I would be changing my bank if that was the service I was being given.
That's one Bank we will never ever use as my son as ( MND ) if they treat disabled customers like that how will they treat able customers, they are not interested in you.... only your money.
Even with the bell, what will the staff do? Come outside and conduct your banking in the street? Disabled people still need the privacy and security offered to able bodied people to do their banking. Surely they need to install a ramp, or if they aren't allowed because of the building, some kind of motorised ramp that can be used as and when and isn't a permanent fixture to the building.
Ha I'm glad he rung n complained, I went to the same bank On Friday with my 18 mth old in a pushchair and a stranger had to help me up the steps, I told my husband it's ridiculous that there is no ramp for likes of ppl like me and the gentleman in his wheelchair. Something needs to be dun!!!


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While all the Land of Lincoln sites in Springfield are interesting, the Lincoln Depot is special because this is the place where he departed and left Springfield, Illinois for the last time before taking on the role of President of the United States. Lincoln boarded the inaugural train at what was then, the Great Western Railroad station on February 11, 1861.
On this date, he offered those in attendance a remarkable Farewell Address. Lincoln started out with an eloquent beginning. "My friends, no one, not in my situation, can appreciate my feeling of sadness at this parting. To this place, and the kindness of these people, I owe everything."
Springfield would always have a special place in Lincoln's heart because here he said, "…my children have been born, and one is buried. I now leave, not knowing when, or whether ever, I may return, with a task before me greater than that which rested upon Washington."
Knowing that the days ahead would be filled with treachery and danger he called on the Lord for assistance saying, "… Without the assistance of the Divine Being who ever attended him, I cannot succeed. With that assistance I cannot fail. Trusting in Him who can go with me, and remain with you, and be everywhere for good, let us confidently hope that all will yet be well. To His care commending you, as I hope in your prayers you will commend me, I bid you an affectionate farewell."
The Depot is a quiet place that is often overlooked among the popular sites like Lincoln's Home and tomb, but this old brick building has a special piece of history that no other can claim. The depot was used by Lincoln and his family, as it offered convenient passenger service. There have been some changes over time. The office is now a privately owned Law Office that is open to the public originally the depot offered separate waiting rooms on the first floor for men and women.
When visiting, be sure to take time to look at the building next to the Depot to see the murals on the adjoining wall. Come to Springfield and immerse yourself in Lincoln's life and remember his dedication and love to the city that he called home. The Lincoln Depot is privately owned by a law firm, but the lower level is open to visitor's weekdays from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. or on weekends and holidays by calling 217/544-8441.


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Corrugated Chemicals will stock Michelman coatings at their regional warehouse
in Cincinnati and will assume all sales, billing, on-demand distribution and
customer service responsibilities for Michelman's existing paper coating
customers in the newly created territory. A sales and service hotline will be
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technical inquiries.
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Mindy Tran acted as a speed bump to save her two-year-old twin daughters from getting killed or injured in a car. The 22-year-old mom from Lawrence, Mass. managed to save her daughters' lives with her quick-thinking move. ABC News reported March 18 that Tran laid down horizontally so her body could be a speed bump in an effort to prevent her car from rolling into traffic.
Saleen and Sydney Tran were buckled in the backseat of the Honda Accord during the ordeal.
After Mindy Tran used her body as a makeshift speed bump, she suffered a broken leg, crushed knees, and a dislocated shoulder and hip. She's currently recovering in the hospital.
Tran thought things were going fairly well when she just moved into a new apartment with her daughters. In fact, she said things were going "too well" before the speed bump incident.
"The girls had started at daycare and we just moved in," Tran said. "It seems like when things are going too well, something bad will happen."
The young mother feels luck to be alive after jumping to save her children. Fortunately, a neighbor sprang to action when trouble was spotted.
"My neighbor jumped in and he asked what I wanted them to do," Tran said. "I said make sure my daughter's got out of the car safely."
The girls got out of the car safely and weren't injured. Now Tran will have surgery, physical therapy, and remain in the hospital for three weeks.
"I don't consider myself a hero," the brave mom said. "I am just a mother."
The Mindy Tran speed bump story goes to show how far a mother will go to protect her children. It took a courageous mother to pull this one off!
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So my blog's birthday came and went. I was never the type of person to bake my blog a cake (although I think it's awesome that some of you do) but I have to say, I was surprised when I realized the other day that it's been just over a year since I started. How'd that happen?
Birthdays are cool for a few reasons. First and most importantly, cake. Second, cards and family and friends and a check from your grandma. If you're a member of my family and you happen to be home at the time, you get to wear the beat up, pink glittery birthday crown. That thing's been around the block. Let me tell you. But the other cool think I notice as I get older is the element of reflection when birthdays roll around–thinking about the past year and how you want the next year to pan out.
I began A Sweet Spoonful never having published a piece of writing but always wanting to. I started it late one night on a complete whim figuring at least it was one place where I'd see my work in print. Now, one year later, I'd call myself a writer. I started out with small local publications, peeing my pants with each acceptance letter and now you can occasionally find me in national rags and, if you flew Frontier this winter, you saw me in your trusty in-flight magazine. I talked about fried chicken and grits and all my friends who read it had a good chuckle.
What else happened? I made some amazing blogging friends. Have you met her or her or her? How about her? I sold my little cream-colored Vespa and regret that I did. I baked my first ever yeasted loaf of bread, fell in love with Seattle, traveled to China, and saw my youngest sister graduate from college. One of my best friends was killed in an accident and I learned what mourning is. I flew to Boston to dance my booty off on her would-be 30th birthday. I made jam. I rented two U-Hauls, switched jobs, and bought a used gray VW rabbit that does the trick. I was dumped, cried for weeks and didn't really sleep, hid at my mom's house, came out of it all alive and kickin' and realizing I'm so much better because of it. I went to a few photography conferences and started taking lots of photos. Almost daily. I visited many a restaurant and bakery, taught a class on blogging, and discovered Pimm's. And soup dumplings. And radishes and butter.
So what's next? That list above? I could've never in a million years predicted 95% of it. I encourage you to make a quick list of your past year. Even if it's not your blog's birthday or your real birthday–just because. Just because it's a quiet weekday summer evening and it'll make you feel kind of rad, I think. I'm so grateful for this blog and for all of you who show up, actually read the darn thing, and occasionally comment. Hallelujah. You know some of the sad stuff up there on that list above? This blog helped me get through that. Your comments helped push me along. You've held me accountable to bake, to spend more time in the kitchen, to write, to think critically about books and movies and the world around me. I'm so grateful for that and for you. Really.
So instead of cake today, we have a buckle. Remember when I introduced you to slump? Well, here's a remote cousin. I love this thing. Not everyone eats it for breakfast, but today I'm deeming it o.k. A buckle is essentially an old fashioned single-layer cake with berries poured into the batter. The berries generally sink to the bottom and the top of the cake "buckles" a bit. This recipe is made a little differently with berries and oats scattered on the top as well. Double whammy.
This buckle is made with buttermilk and oat flour, and bakes up surprisingly light with a browned, crisp top. I mixed up some Greek yogurt and a little agave for the top. Breakfast is seriously served.
Blueberry Breakfast Buckle
This buckle is made with buttermilk and oat flour, and bakes up surprisingly light with a browned, crisp top. I mixed up some Greek yogurt and a little agave for the top. Breakfast is seriously served.
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Preheat the oven to 350 F. Lightly butter an 8-inch square baking pan. Sift the flours, baking powder, baking soda and salt together in a bowl. Using a handheld mixer with beaters or a stand mixer with the paddle attachment, cream the butter and granulated sugar together on medium high speed until light and fluffy. Add the eggs one at a time. Scrape down the sides of the bowl after each addition. Then stir in the vanilla. Next, stir in the flour mixture in three additions alternating with the buttermilk in two additions. Essentially, you want to begin and end with the dry ingredients and scrape down the bowl a few times as you go.
Fold in half of the blueberries and spread the batter into the prepared pan. Distribute the remaining blueberries over the cake, then sprinkle the oats and turbinado sugar over the top.
Bake for 45-50 minutes or until the top is lightly golden and firm to the touch. Stir yogurt and agave together in a small bowl and set aside in refrigerator. Let buckle cool.
To serve, spoon a dollop of yogurt over cake and drizzle a little extra agave if you'd like. Buckle will be good for 2 days if stored in plastic wrap at room temperature.


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College Hockey:St. Norbert, St. John's Each Land Three on D-III All-USCHO Teams
Minneapolis — Last season's national runner-up, St. Norbert, and a team that narrowly missed the NCAA playoffs, St. John's, each placed three players on the men's preseason D-III All-USCHO team as announced Monday by USCHO.com.
St. Norbert first-team All-Americans Jason Deitsch and Ryan Tew were selected for the All-USCHO first team, with second-team All-American Spencer Carburry joining them on the All-USCHO second team.
St. John's had three first-team All-Americans on the All-USCHO team, first-teamers Darryl Smoleroff and Adam Hanna, and on the second-team, Scott Bjorklund.
Ten other schools placed individual players on the men's preseason D-III All-USCHO team. Eight of those programs were joined by six other colleges in receiving honorable mentions.
Complete men's preseason D-III All-USCHO teams and honorable mentions appear below.
First Team
F Kurtis McLean, Norwich
F Jason Deitsch, St. Norbert
F Dustin Lick, St. Thomas
D Ryan Tew, St. Norbert
D Darryl Smoleroff, St. John's
G Adam Hanna, St. John's
Second Team
F Spencer Carburry, St. Norbert
F Mike Tucciarone, RIT
F Scott Bjorklund, St. John's
D Levi Doria, Middlebury
D Dale Lupul, Wis.-Superior
G Andy Scanlon, Wis.-River Falls
Third Team
F Dave Friel, Plattsburgh
F Jimmy Sokol, Utica
F Brian Doherty, Curry
D Nick Fouts, New England College
D Blayne Goodman, Wentworth
G Doug Kiselius, Trinity
Honorable Mentions
F: Adam Dann, Bowdoin; Jaakko Kolari, New England College; Trinity; Beau Kretzman, Amherst; Craig Levey, Hobart; Don Patrick, Oswego; Joseph Ori, Trinity; Sean Pero, Curry
D: Manu Mau'u, Curry; Brian Phinney, Middlebury; Mike Prsa, Wentworth; Chad Van Diemen, Manhattanville
G: Mike Boudreau, Norwich; Joel Cameron, Lake Forest; Adam Lavelle, Hobart; Craig Neilsen, Plattsburgh; Michael Shimek, New England College
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I have Windows Server 2008, with IIS 7.5 and SQL Server 2008. I want to install DotNetNuke which is an ASP.NET application. What are the necessary precautions to not to get pwn3d.
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This is a very open ended question I think. Use your favorite search engine to search for:
Here are some examples of good hardening practices:
Outside standard configuration settings such as strong password enforcement in windows/sql, and even for users in the application, and web site precautions for XSS and other common attacks, you also want to make sure that the application is secured, any configuration files with connection strings or passwords encrypted, security data encrypted too (that you store in SQL Server), and so on.


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An Awkward Conversation
*Looks at phone, unknown number, probably a recruiter... to answer or not to answer?*
ME: Hello
RECRUITER: Hello can I speak with Matthew Johnson?
ME: Speaking...
RECRUITER: Oh hi Matthew, my name's ### and I'm calling from ### with regard to an exciting opportunity that's come up in London for a Senior Developer, are you interested?
*Sounds fairly generic, can I be bothered spending 4 hours a day travelling to London? NO. What's the probability that this is actually going to be "exciting". SILM TO NONE - AND I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING FOR A JOB*
ME: Is it really exciting?
RECRUITER: It's for a large company who's a major player in their industry, can you tell me if you know much about C#?
*She sure is lively, she hasn't even asked me if I'm looking for work. I'M NOT*
ME: Sure... but how did you get my number?
RECRUITER: Through one of our partner companies, typically we get peoples details from multiple sources such as LinkedIn, CV's that have been emailed in, people who have applied for roles with us or one of our partner companies before... or Monster.
*I think she intentionally said Monster last - but she made it sound like there's a big pool of CV's that a whole bunch of companies can just search on - I find that worrying*
ME: Oh that's right, I put my CV on Monster about 4 years ago
*And I removed it about 2 years ago because of the number of clueless recruiters that call me, and still call me*
RECRUITER: Can you tell me if you know much about C#?
*She's persistant, that's the second time she's asked that question*
ME: If you got my details off Monster then you would surely know?
*It doesn't sound like she's read my CV at all*
RECRUITER: Ah yes, well your CV matched a keyword search but we have to make sure your details are upto date.
*At this point I'm baffled over a few points - who uses keyword matching anymore? I'm just part of a batch of matches. She's probably very unhappy having to cold-call people at work - most of whom are probably already happily employed - and she still hasn't asked if I'm happily employed*
RECRUITER: Can you tell me if you know much about C#?
ME: Yes
*I am actually slightly furious at this point. READ MY CV!? But I'm going to go along with it so I can find out who the employer is and then phone them and tell them the recruitment company they're using are worse than clueless*
RECRUITER: And how many years experience do you have with it?
ME: It's on my CV, but about eleven years
RECRUITER: Ok, that's good... and can you tell me if you've ever worked with the Microsoft .Net Framework?
*WTF!? This is like asking "Do you use a gear-stick?" followed by "Have you ever been in a car?" - she doesn't even know what she's asking about - do I really have to explain? Surely she must have had training? Is this a new job for her and I'm callee number one?*
ME: Erm... well... you see, in order to work with C#, you kinda have to work with the Microsoft .Net Framework - they're built on top of each other
RECRUITER: Ok, so you have worked with the Microsoft .Net Framework?
ME: Yes
*She's not even interested in learning how or why the two are connected, maybe this is just her general attitude and I'm not the first person to be subjected to this*
RECRUITER: Ok, that's good... can you tell me if you've ever worked with MVC?
ME: That would be yes, yes I have. If you read my CV, it's on there too
RECRUITER: And how many years experience do you have with it?
ME: Erm... well that's going to be about five years
RECRUITER: Ok and can you tell me if you have experience in ASP.Net?
*Confirmed, this woman is absolutely clueless, she shouldn't even be in the IT recruitment industry*
ME: Well... erm... MVC is built on top of ASP.Net, so I can't know MVC without knowing ASP.Net - but I've also worked with ASP.Net outside of the scope of MVC
RECRUITER: *silence*
ME: It's going to be "yes" then, for about eleven years
RECRUITER: Shall I put eleven years?
ME: Go on then
RECRUITER: And what about HTML? Do you have experience of HTML?
*I can't hold back anymore, someone needs to tell her (politely) that she's a bit clueless and it's a bit annoying*
ME: *laughs* well yeah, if I'm going to be doing ASP.Net then I can't do that without knowing HTML. But if your company specialises in IT recruitment, then surely you should know some of this stuff? I mean - ASP.Net is a technology built on the .Net framework that uses HTML and I have a choice of languages to use with that Framework. And on my CV it's mostly C#... did you read my CV?
RECRUITER: Our system automatically matched you to a job based on keywords, and we have to check that you have the right experience.
*That's a generic and evasive answer*
ME: Ok *in a baffled tone*
RECRUITER: *With some hesitation* I have to ask... do you know CSS?
*The only way she could save herself now is sepukku*
ME: Ok, I think I have to draw the line here
RECRUITER: What do you mean?
ME: Well these questions are just basic, it's like you're reading from a list and checking off how many years experience I have against each without any insight into what exactly each one is or how they might be linked. And most of this you'd know if you read my CV
RECRUITER: I have to ask these questions to make sure you're right for the job
ME: You haven't even told me what the job is
RECRUITER: It's a senior developer role in London, I think it's a really exciting role and you should be excited too *with some nervousness*
*She really tried to make out that I should be grateful she's even calling me in a kind of pseudo assertive tone - but I could tell that she was a bit unsure of what she was saying*
ME: I'm not sure about that, I'm already happily employed in a job I enjoy - and going from Technical Architect to Senior Developer is kind of a step back - unless it's for a very reputable company that pays astronomically well and has good employee benefits
RECRUITER: They're paying £35,000 but will go to £40,000 for the right candidate
ME: That just doesn't sound appealing at all, who is the company?
RECRUITER: It's *large company that has a bad reputation as an employer* and as you can imagine there's plenty of room to climb the corporate ladder
*So in London, that salary is a pittance. For a large company in London, it's worse than a pittance. And for a large company in London that should be trying to improve it's image with new hires... well... I'd rather hop on a flight to China and work for Foxconn*
ME: Maybe, but living in London... commuting to London is wildly expensive. Don't employers pay an additional percentage just for being in London?
RECRUITER: That additional expense is factored in to the job offer - they're offering above market rates
*I'm going to choose to ignore that about market rates*
ME: It doesn't sound like it is, unless you're talking about home working - how big is their current technical team?
RECRUITER: You see, our client isn't really technically minded, and they've chosen our company to work with them to advise on building their first technical team
*Oh my... The blind are truly leading the blind and no doubt they'll be paying out the ass for the privilege*
ME: Really? Based on some of the questions you've asked there seems to be some big knowledge gaps on your end
*It went down-hill fast after that - I suppose if she has to make a lot of phone calls every day then my attitude isn't helping her. She'll just move onto another cringeworthy conversation with another poor soul*
RECRUITER: Are you interested in the role?
ME: No
RECRUITER: Do you know anyone who might be interested in the role, you might get some vouchers if you can refer someone
*Like I'm supposed to be grateful for an unspecified value of vouchers*
ME: I don't know anyone who would be interested in this role
RECRUITER: Well, if anything changes please phone or email me
If I answered all the calls I got from recruiters, and I proactively don't, then I'd be answering one or two calls a week like this.
The IT recruitment industry is broken and nobody cares
I've been on both ends of having to deal with IT recruiters, and there are some fantastic recruiters out there who have listened to my requirements and given real and constructive feedback and good results. But then there's a plethora of recruiters who seem only to be interested in volume, these are the guys that:
- Repeatedly email out vacancies to candidates without really checking the suitability of whom the emails are being sent to
- Start every call to a candidate with "I have a fantastic/amazing/exciting/sensational opportunity for you" when they really mean something that amounts to no more than a data-entry-clerk
- When sending CV's to employers reformat the CVs and screw up the original formatting without bothering to fix it.
- Troll the boards that employers post their jobs to, call them up and tell them they've got a pool of candidates ready and then deliver nothing new.
- When talking to employers are overly biased and inflate the suitability of thier candidates
- Know nothing about their industry, except the vital few acronyms and buzz-words
- Ask employers for their requirements for a candidate, and then just post a carbon-copy of what the employer wrote to a dozen job sites
In a perfect world, we'd have recruiters who:
- Have worked in their industry
- Know the terminologies and their histories
- Use social-media and web technologies to discover as much as possible about the candidates before making contact
- Are location-aware - they know that four-hours travelling time is unreasonable.
- Contact candidates at suitable times - nobody wants to be called at work
- Realise the flexibility of IT people and interoperability of technologies - if a candidate know javascript, then they can easily learn jQuery
- Aren't over-protective of candidates - employers will want to know everything about a candidate and won't want to miss if they have a blog or what their StackExchange score is
- Talk to existing staff at the company their recruiting for to get a feel for the culture
- Charge reasonable prices - I know there are established practices out there for charging customers on a percentage basis, but this is forcing employers to offer lower salaries in order to lower the expense associated with recruitment fees. The overall effect of this is lower salaries across the industry.
I'm not sure what the answer is - probably some kind of flat-fee recruiter that makes extensive use of technology to automate and clean up the process with some (good) people on standby for edge-cases. But the current model is hopelessly ineffecient for both the candidate and the employer.
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This is why I never put my phone # on my resume. I don't include my address either - I do put the city I live in.
It doesn't hurt that for various reasons my phone # changes periodically (moving, etc.) so between job searches my unlisted ph # becomes stale.
This leaves email spam which is easily handled. But yes, clueless recruiters are annoying.
Here's how it works:
1) Graduate from Uni with a non-vocational degree and realise that you're unemployable.
2) Land a job as a "recruitment consultant" where you're paid minimum wage but "will make £50K+ OTE" with all the commission you'll be making.
3) Sit in front of a computer with a phone and call people asking them if they have X years experience in Y without any concept of what Y is.
This isn't limited to IT, finance is rampant with clueless recruiters too. The problem is that the barriers to entry (a phone and access to a database) are too low.
I have this experience everyday. I usually do contract work anywhere from 3 to 6 months each contract. I have yet to get a call from a recruiter that understands anything about the technology for which they are hiring.


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