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The penalty for members who do something wrong should be that they have to stay in the house and listen to the Governments tired old answers. Being thrown out for 24 hours must be a relief !
The smug grins of the Labor members is disgusting, arrogant and an affront to the Parliament.
Where are the calls of mysoginist? Imagine someone dared show Gillard the disrespect shown to the Speaker.
The Speaker seems to have a couple of options - 1. Say nothing, allow the behaviour to continue unchecked. Become a victim and then play the gender card, because she hasn't the ability to stand up for herself. 2. Exercise her powers and boot them out. These imbeciles clearly wear being thrown out of the House as a badge of honour - they should be ashamed.
I think you have missed the point completely.
This is nothing about her gender and all about her bias.
It's a pity that very few of the lemmings can see the bias.
@Pen of hbra, your rant is typical of the type of person who helped give this country a government for 6 years that apart from being a disgrace to human decency also gave us the worst deficit in our history, said nothing while the coalition got the blame for Indonesia phone taps done under labor and so forth, pathetic. The planes you are so strident about were passed unilaterally.What you and the Labor opposition forget id the majority of Australians, yes the winning majority voted for the coalition . The Labor opposition when in power took 16% off the defence budget giving us the so called leaders in our region the lowest defence force capability since the Korean war. Labor gave us a carbon tax we did not ask for, took money from Universities well as money from single mothers , where was your abhorrence then? Where was your vitriol when Labor gave us promises of surpluses even up to the last election and never ever came close, if they had told the truth I could have forgiven them but if only in some cynical idioligical bent to stay in power they whimped out. Will you show the same indignation when Labor vent against the paid parental scheme whilst their women MPs enjoy even more costly benefits, I doubt it
In fairness to Pen I think he hates em all
Pen, can't stand either. He continually refers to the duopoly as the "oligarch's".
Which makes your rant totally invalid.
Not so Pen is very keen on a prototype unmanned British drone, the Taranis, which so far as managed to a couple of hour and half flights and isn't due to be in service until 2030.
What the RAAF flies in the mean time Pen doesn't say, probably Airfix models.
It is evident that Bronwyn Bishop does not have the knowledge or experience to control parliament without ousting the opposition.
Bronwyn Bishop is showing the world how the Abbott government is "green" and incompetent!
I'm sure it's deliberate. Bronnie craves the attention. 94a is just made for her. Every time it's invoked she gets more ridicule, which in some perverse way she must want. Better than no attention at all. So the answer, perhaps, it to completely ignore her.
Nup. If Dolores wants to be ridiculed, whom am I to deny her?
The point Brettie is that for a claimed budget emergency, there appears to be a whole lot of money to toss around...
Hacka says: "But thanks for the reminder of one of the craziest policies ever invoked - tax them to stop something then compensate them for taxing them !"
Isn't that EXACTLY what the Howard government did with the GST? Taxed everything 10% then gave most of it back through middle-class welfare?
Of course, they probably knew they'd have to remove the middle-class welfare eventually, and the population realise the entire 10% drop in standard of living.
Looks like the cold weather is getting to Hanson-Young, she's forgotten team Brown-Gillard and she was in the happy snap at the contract's sign off. Oh she must miss the good old days that much she's forgotten them.
As I see ! One despairs for the future of this fine country we call home! The world watches with a token of disbelief at how a speaker who is supposed to be independent behave so! Stop this farce the world is watching!
I don't think the world gives a rats about our stupid inward looking government or the performance (lack of) of the speaker. In fact I think the rest of the world would fail to understand why there is not an uprising of the population to bring down this useless lot in Canberra. But I guess we are talking about the general population of Australia who don't seem to give rats anyway. I mean - how eles would this pack of clowns get elected.
The world is probably watching New Zealand. After all it's doing so much better. They are asking how does a small country like that get it so right? Australia? Well look at the current government. That says it all.
God forgive me if I ever pay attention Pen but cost of an item is different for total operational cost over the life of the equipment. You quoted these planes would cost 860 billion dollars! Now I know you made a maths error and wanted to say 86 billion but that should be over the life of the aircraft. To quote 32 K per hour flight cost without quoting what the hornets cost is meaningless. Unless we go to a new ground support aircraft it would be like in today's terms we are still flying Phantoms.
Sure they ask for the plane to do a lot but with 24 million lines of code in the software this is the most ambitious project ever. Maybe too ambitious? The US wanted 3 planes and went with one design to keep down cost. They went with one engine to keep the weight down. What plane would you suggest we buy? Bear in mind that the F22 was never for sale.
I don't see it as gross negligence yet. Certainly the if the plane performs to spec it will be great but I would be ignorant if I didn't touch on the cost and time overruns.
Just tore up my PUP membership. A vote for Clive Palmer is a vote for Tony Abbott.
Glad you've finally realised.
Congrats, Clive is all about Clive and a loose cannon.
This comes as a surprise? Clive's not there for the nation. Clive's there for Clive. And Tony will give Clive what he wants.
Surprised more haven't woken up the former LNP member and current donator As long as his mines are looked after then all is smooth sailing.
Hi Country Gal : ) yes it certainly took me long enough!
Sharron, if you can see through the duopoly, vote for a decent Indi or someone who has your electorate at heart. Do your homework on the micros, they are often just fronts for the majors- after the prefs.
Clive and PUP Sens should not vote on the Price on carbon or MRRT- blatant conflict of interests.
And he'll probably get some extra staff thrown in as well.
This government and this parliament are fast becoming a farce.
And they will keep on going exactly as they are, and we will keep on screaming. And as long as the Speaker can get away with her bias nothing will change in this particular parliament. It's all a big game them.
The LMP ,naysayers,doom makers.They wouldn't believe the truth it was waived in their faces. They are working for Gina and Rupert,and only answer to them. Puppets for the rich.Every time they speak,i cringe,at the blatant lies of deception,and mirrors of smoke
I wonder if it has dawned on the Greens that their only hope to save the Clean Energy Corporation is the guy who represents motor car rev-heads. The irony is delicious. Maybe the Greens can do some burnouts on their mountain bikes to celebrate.
Maybe with Bob Brown HSV V8 commodore
It will be really interesting to see, come July, how things will change. True to life in fantasy land, I reckon that the LNP have a vision of a clear and uninterrupted view, spreading into the future for two years at least, where all their dreams come true.
With so many Government "policies" being kicked out of the Senate during this Parliament are we witnessing one of the bigger lame duck governments the chamber has seen in recent times ?
Seems like those on the right of the Speaker aren't enjoying being in government much, can't really blame them its hard when you actually have to come up with an idea.
Honestly how is democracy supposed to work when the most bias speaker in history keeps kicking out opposition politicians for telling the truth. This opposition government are carrying on like school yard bullies.
They remind me of Joffrey. Incompetent bullies.
If only they could meet the same fate!
Skimming through today's comments I have come to the conclusion that there are at least two sides to most questions.
Struggling with that one. "Two sides to most questions"? There's always a multitude of possible answers dependent upon the prism through which we view our existence, and the societies we live in, but isn't a question self evident? Assuming we're speaking the same language. Please explain.
It's an old saying that there are two sides to every question. I just added "at least".
With so many opposition members being kicked out of the chamber during QT, are we witnessing one of the bigger dummy spits the chamber has seen in recent times ?
Seems like those on the left of the Speaker aren't enjoying being in opposition much, can't really blame them.
Hacka, your mate Pyne still owns the record for dummy spits which resulted in him being booted from QT.
Reflecting more on Madam than the MPs.
Hacka, don't you tire of constantly looking through that 'Liberal Good Labor Bad' prism? It's got to be bad for your eyesight in the long term.
Given behaviour on the right of the chair is no better than that on the left, perhaps your reliance on Default Answer A (i.e. it's all Labor's fault) may not have the benefit of logic.
Yes. By the 'impartial' Bronnie.
Even the non-government Senators are by their yelling trying to stop ministers being heard in that staid and dignified chamber.
Why don't you try to contribute to the debate rather than just spouting absolute tripe. How about trying to mount a case based loosely on facts for a change?
davemac, Hacka and facts in the same sentence you do make me laugh!
Gigondas - speaking of prisms, that comment was non-partisan, but that never troubles our progressive contributors as davemac demonstrates.
The end of the day and nothing much of note to say Hacka.
Sigh. And thus proving my point. Your comment was as non-partisan as Madame Speaker.
Don't think those on the Right are enjoying much at the moment either. Can't get legislation through, polls looking bad, and now stuck in Canberra over winter. Looks pretty grey to me.
I do have concern for your long-term ocular health, Hacka. But I acknowledge that it was wrong of me to suggest that you were the only one here with a prismatic predisposition.
Looks like your mate Tony is fast achieving a one-party state, and using Bronwyn Bishop to do the heavy lifting!
So you are blind to Bronnie's bias are you?
Surely no one could be that blind.
Better get used to the numbers there as in 87 - 50 as soon the senate will no green to back up the ALP ;)
Would it really make any difference if all the ALP MPs were kicked out of QT, I think not and there is plenty of evidence to support this. Even Bandt and Palmer don't get kicked out and that's saying something. Looks like the AlP primary school detention tactics continues to backfire. What a strategy.
It does say something when you reference Clive being kicked out, half the time he's asleep listening to the boorish responses from the PM, and the ridiculous dixers to the other ministers
Why would Clive get kicked out? He'd have to attend for that to happen, and even when he does he says nothing.
Oh could you imagine the dixers and backslapping from a government who have had only one budget item pass through the senate. To my recollection that was a confirmation of an broken election promise.
It is difficult to believe this government is governing for Australian people. Why is consumer confidence down?
We are told that energy will rise a lot and probably remain high even if the carbon tax is removed.
Costs such as fuel relentlessly rise. Jobs are gone or threatened.
State (taxes and services) and Council budgets (rates and services)are on the rise.
Negativity and scare mongering from the Coalition that relentlessly plugs debt, debt, debt is enough to make everyone cautious.
And yes, severe cuts to the "less well-off "who contribute their every penny to the economy and pay GST like everyone else. It is not confidence building to be told that you are a burden on society.
Add high Australian dollar, price gouging and the knowledge that although interest rates are on hold they will go up as they always do eventually.
Prudence says pay down as much personal debt as possible and hope for a ballot box soon.
The penalty for members who do something wrong should be that they have to stay in the house and listen to the Governments tired old answers. Being thrown out for 24 hours must be a relief !
And for further penance, morning tea with Pyne, Lunch with Bernardi, Afternoon Tea with Madam, Dinner with Anthony John and then a night on then town with Brandis clubbing it.
....and will the press stop giving Abbott the credit for stopping the boats. The ALP run campaign telling potential immigrants that they would not be settled in Australia if they didn't go through the proper channels had that stitched up long before Abbott shut down media reporting. If you are going to report it then get your facts right. Abbott deserves no credit here at all. In fact his efforts only led to a cold diplomatic stance between Australia and Indonesia. Lets see that reported.
How about that Abbott 'alternative' of Direct Action? I'm reading the new book by the guys who wrote Freakonomics (they are economists) and one chapter if about how not to insentivise. They give the example of how the UN set up a scheme to pay polluters and the result was factories worldwide creating pollutants including HCFC-22 (hydrofrlurcarbon) to sell to the UN. Then the UN shut down the scheme most of it was just released into the atmosphere.
This phenomenon is sometimes called 'the cobra effect' after the disasterous British attempt to rid Deli of cobras by paying for their skins.
4.05 pm. James Ashby and his legal expenses; proof that hot air does cost money. (Must be the carbon tax)
Should be interesting to see the response of the Court and the government to this proposal.
Bearing in mind that Ashby chose to pursue this matter in the first instance in the most expensive and least expedient forum available to him at the time.
Isn't the age of entitlement over ???
3.50 The weather, obviously PH could turn down their heating too and save on emissions and costs. MP sitting next to Swann in short sleeves and it's less than 2 degrees outside.
And yet Canberrians whinge over plastic bag banning. Today in this weather we've witnessed two examples of flagrant Govt waste and pollution. The School and PH with students and MPs in short sleeves.
I entirely agree.
Rather than trash talking the economy, Joe has been busy delivering higher growth and lower unemployment based on the latest national accounts.
As for the debt and carbon tax Swannie, well we trust your memoirs will be entitled "Wrecking Ball", same name as the current Springsteen album.
I thought everything was due to the ALP - so what is Smoking Joe claiming credit for ???? I thought the economy was uspposed to be in the shi* ? That is what the LNP keeps peddling
I'm sure Bruce would be real thrilled to hear his name mentioned by right wing Hacks such as yourself.
Still, the Libs motto could indeed be summed up by track 1 on the aforementioned album.
Nice try and how man his budget measures have passed (cue crickets) once again taking credit for others work. Seems to be the LNP manifesto.
Is that an attempt to finish on a high note, Hacka? Sorry, but the only thing high is the odour from the dead cat budget.
Smoking Joe can't even deliver a Budget that passes the Senate . . . and trash talking the economy was a daily event for 6 years, and he seems to have forgotten that the lNP are in Govt as nothing much seems to have happened in the last 10 months
The only wrecking going on is on the Govt side of the bench - our society is being wrecked by Tony Truthfull and Smokingjoe
M - the economy's going okay, even now improving.
The budget remains a basket case. No wonder Swan got upset, hard to hide the six year spending rampage.
That nonsense is just dog whistling in the dark Hacka.
davemac - well much like Springsteen, who hasn't really had a hit since the 1980's, Labor haven't delivered a balanced budget since the 1980's.
Careful Bishop Jnr gets all coy when talking about Springsteen. Her stint on Rage was embarrassing, to say the least.
So Joe's claiming credit for the structure that Labor put in place before the budget get implemented and starts to damage the economy?
Glad to see you aren't a Springsteen fan....phew....Like finding out your parents are on Facebook.
<comeback>Ahhhh, the 1980s. Or as the Libs like to call them: The future.</comeback>
Hacka, you sound almost as tired as Joe, government not cracked up to what you thought hey. All those lies and spin come back to bite once you have the top job??
3.50pm: Weather? Nah, just the electorate giving the libs the cold shoulder...
Lets hope it is a long winter of discontent
Why is someone censured (sent out, named etc.) for saying the word 'lie', but actually lying has no consequences?
Poor Wayne... he can't even pretend to be effectual anymore. His legacy has disappeared along with his surplus. No wonder he is so deeply bitter & twisted. One day the rooster, the feather duster the next.
Bitter and twisted? No way. It's about time someone labelled Abbott's lies for what they are. And it's a lot better to be thrown out by Umbridge for insisting on the truth than for just saying "Madam Speaker"!
Anybody would be bitter and twisted if a complete fool took over from you. Swann must look at Hockey and shake his head in dismay. Pretty well much like the majority of Australians judging by the polls.
but wayne's still there - goes around comes around - too bad for Sir One Term Tony he'll have to fall one his sword in 2016 and quit Parliament
More like the feather bed of comfort we relax on thanks to Swannies work whilst most of the rest of the world picks around for hens teeth.
Exactly. Clearly not content with being rememberd as an imcompetent who achieved nothing, Swan clearly also wants to be rememberd as a bitter little nobody who desperately wants to re-write history. And the small handful of clueless lefties want to help him, so it seems.
But the silent majority knows the truth, we understand the importance of the current budget and look forward to another two or three terms under the Abbott govt. And we'll get them too.
No Judith you do not have to point it out. I think it's very obvious to everyone.
The whole Opposition should "do a Swanny" at the start of QT tomorrow and leave the Clowns to entertain themselves for a few hours
Agree...Libs have taken QT to a new low, cheered on by the most biased speaker probably in the history of the Westminster system.
3:14pm, this inept and amateur government in action.
3:20pm, Tony always repeats himself when he is lying.
Mumbles ALWAYS repeats himself ......
Yes - same words three times - not sure what that achieves - other than to make him look like he needs to do a public speaking course
Does that mean he always lies???
Ergo ...
It is an old form of rhetoric: "Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa."
Get Real; can*t say lies - unparliamentary (might get Swanned)
Whilst the tactics of the Federal Opposition are well known and going back to the first official day of the Parliament under the control of the Coalition Parties; does one really think that they will stop playing games? We all know that the ALP will never admit to these mistakes but; why won't the Leader of the Opposition admit that he has got it wrong and including on the Carbon Tax. Australians deserve better from all governments and want their needs addressed. The outgoing Senator Boyce has been a critic of her side and she's one that I won't miss. Canberra's political theater should be followed by all and including, engaging with them. Oh, on the issue of the Member for Lilley being "named" good to see as he too, must be doing some thinking, sitting there on the backbench. However, over the years that he has been in the Parliament, lessons haven't been learnt - even though, his time as a Treasurer is very questionable. Political history is there.
What happened to Swannie's surplus.?. good riddance to him.
Swan - best Australian Treasurer in more than 20 years! Good him for telling the truth.
Check the polls, whilst our head in the sand government denies pricing carbon the people of Australia like the rest of the world do recognise the importance.
All you have to do is explain why $6 billion per year for a carbon tax is so dreadful, given the estimated cost of sea rise due to climate change is $300 billion.
Not to mention the $86 billion that Abbott intends spending on flying lemons.
named international treasurer of the yea in 2011... yea I don't think the man who helped a country avoid financial disaster, in spite of every other OECD country, needs to dwell to hard on his legacy. until slick Joe and the Sydney club earn such a title I think we can safely assume who has the high ground here.
Stewart, the people who voted Swannie the best treasurer also voted Lehmann Bros the world's best bank in the year they almost brought the whole world economy down.
Says it all about their 'judgement'
You are not paying attention again. The latest US SAR (Selected Acquisition Report) cites flying costs for the F-35 at $31,900 per hour. To round the figures and take of inflation for a couple of minutes let's agree on $32,000 per hour flying cost. We are to purchase 100 planes, are to be VTO's, but let's ignore that additional expense. So, 100 F35's to fly say 500 hours a year each for say 40 years at $32,000 per hour equals $64 billion. Add the purchase price, based on the 14 purchase for $3.2 billion equates to $228,571,428 that's million each, multiplied by 100 equals $22,857,142,857 that's billion. Add the flying cost of $64 billion to the $22,857,142,857 purchase price for 100 lemons and we have a total of $86, 857,142,857 billion. Of course if the lemons go into combat, God forbid, the costs will escalate further.
All in all it makes all of the dust and feathers created by the carbon price to say the least quite pathetic in terms of gross negligence and waste, wouldn't you agree?
God forgive me if I ever pay attention Pen but cost of an item is different for total operational cost over the life of the equipment. You quoted these planes would cost 860 billion dollars! Now I know you made a maths error and wanted to say 86 billion but that should be over the life of the aircraft. To quote 32 K per hour flight cost without quoting what the hornets cost is meaningless. Unless we go to a new ground support aircraft it would be like in today's terms we are still flying Phantoms.
Sure they ask for the plane to do a lot but with 24 million lines of code in the software this is the most ambitious project ever. Maybe too ambitious? The US wanted 3 planes and went with one design to keep down cost. They went with one engine to keep the weight down. What plane would you suggest we buy? Bear in mind that the F22 was never for sale.
I don't see it as gross negligence yet. Certainly the if the plane performs to spec it will be great but I would be ignorant if I didn't touch on the cost and time overruns.
The point Brettie is that for a claimed budget emergency, there appears to be a whole lot of money to toss around...
Would save Bronnie a lot of time if she just tossed out a random number of opposition MPs at the beginning of QT and be done with it.
What a joke this speaker is. Never throws out any LNP member just Labor.
Unbiased? Sure.
Judith writes "3:20pm: The House votes 87 to 50 to kick Wayne Swan out for 24 hours.
"There's really only one explanation for the member for Lilley's outburst a few moments ago," says Abbott.
"And that is a guilty conscience. A guilty, guilty conscience.""
Negative reflections on members such as Abbott's above, are verboten.
Why didn't Madame Speaker censure that?
Wow - I would like a job that pays a gazillion dollars and allows me out at 3.21pm - after horsing around all day and achieving nothing
@Entitled Ones:
Except for Wayne Swan who got a 24 hour holiday for telling the truth in question time.
John - somehow the LNP will spin the truth to be a lie. But Wayne did achieve something - a RDO
John C...so you think yelling out abuse in parliament is acceptable behaviour?
Imagine if school students were allowed to yell abuse at teachers like Swann did?
If someone called you a liar publically, would you think that's fine?
grow up..
Paul - so what do you think ofs omeone like Abbott or Pyne who spent 6 years being attack dogs ?? OK for them but not the other side ??
Any odds on favourites for the new President in the Senate?
Let's hope she/ he does a fairer and less partisan job than Dolores.
My guess would be another from ALP, as the coalition will not wish to loose a voting hand. Personally i' like to see Glenn Lazarus become Pres (being a league tragic)
Clive won't like that idea.
There's really only one explanation for the member for Lilley's outburst a few moments ago:
Truth will out.
Well done Swanny - you escape the Circus for a whole day - enjoy
Hey TA @3:20:
At least he has one.
If James is under 30 and unemployed he won't be able to afford to go to the supermarket soon - but with any luck that Budget clanger will not pass the Senate
Abbott demands that Labor tell him what their plan is for the "debt and deficit disaster that they created."
Abbott needs to keep up. Being stuck in the past is not doing anyone any good. He is now in Govt, he promised he had a plan and a solution so Labor's plans are irrelevant, any confected problems are his to fix and at this stage in the electoral cycle it is not incumbent on Labor to give tips to LNP about how to extract themselves from the pickle they have got themselves into over the confected economic and debt "disasters", "emergency" and "crisis" and the stinky budget.
2.57pm.It is not Scott Morrison who has stopped the boats; they are put off by the high cost of the CARBON TAX!
Slogan Alert "try me on it" - wow - sounds like playgrond talk - I thought the adults were now in charge ???
Scott has wanted to say that since he entered parliament. He was just waiting for the right moment.
Makes you wonder about the so called advantages of privates schools - their parents must be wondering what return they got for the money.
@Entitled Ones. Yes, some privately educated students probably do become doctors and go on to work in disadvantaged communities or overseas in war zones. And then there are the ones who become politicians.
Just shows himself to be the bully boy that he is. Some nerve baiting Labor to ask a question - what's the point, the Libs will just crap on about what ever they feel like, while 2-3 Labor members get chucked out by Delores.
Maintain the rage comrades, our day will come.
I would be embarassed to have to own up to being a LNP pollie
The powers that be can't continually rig the markets and the price of gold forever.
Abbott talks about the tough decisions he had to make "because members opposite consistently shirked the tough decisions". Tony Truthfull - you can make as many "decisions" as you like - but unless you sweet talk the Senate none of them are worth a brass razoo
Is "decision" the new definition of a "policy" ? If so Tony is not being Truthfull as the LNP is a policy free zone. Not sure why they need a Party Room - nothing happens there - except for allocating Dixers, and they are getting worse by the day.
Both sides could save themselves much time and effort by using the following question template.
"Could please you inform the house how [insert issue] is all the fault of Labor?"
And on the eve of the next election it will, according to this mob, still be labor's fault. Guaranteed.
One Term Tony will be able to blame Labor for his defeat . . .
In the fine old Brandis et al LNP tradition of making stuff up whilst shooting oneself in the foot, I predict that Admiral Bumbles will soon claim that the boats have stopped because they cannot afford the Carbon Tax.You know it makes sense....
2:51, Abbott seems to forget the Charter of Budget Honesty, fact is he had a chance to review the books and still lied. Yes Tony the average voter is not as stupid as you think they are.
Being so technically challenged he has probably yet to realise near everyone has all the information now at their fingertips, a click away.
Yes they are they voted for Krudd then Gillard after she shafted Krudd then Krudd after he shafted her back whilst undermining his mates & own party.
Strewth judging by the state of the polls people find the LNP that much on the nose Labor will be voted back in if Sir tony the heartless calls his promised DD. As the saying goes you can lie to the people some of the time.
Hey if you kids ever get out of Canberra you may realize two things-
1. Canberra and The Age are mostly biased due to being based in Canberra and
2. The rest of the Country have very much differing opinions to the people of Canberra who are lets fac it on the old payroll and don't really like know they are being slashed by the Current...
Soo to finish up all off the opinions of the people in Canberra differ greatly than the rest of the Country and are not a representation of the opinion of the People.
Good for you James - do you also go to the supermarket though ?
"Abbott says the "best thing" he can do for the workers at Oxford Cold is to ensure the business remains profitable."
I just wonder if the only immediate threat to the employment of these workers is failing to play nice while Abbott carries on with hi-vis theatre pantomime.
Why answer a queston when you can attack the opposition, seems to be this opposition governments mantra.
Hacka - nice try - you well know that the polluters are taxed and individuals compensated. But don't let the truth get in to way of your spin.
Hacka, I get all my electricity from renewables. Green Power Wind Power. My bill shows $0 for the Carbon tax component.
The quality of the questions, and the quality of the delivery, and the bald sycophancy of the dixing backbenchers is comedy of the highest order. 'Hard working Health Minister'. Give me a break.
Its called taking the P-1- double S
Today is one of those good days when it is possibly to switch from Channel 24 to Channel 2, to the Senate, during Dorothy Dix answers. And vice versa.
Wow, coming from you that is saying something. Like what happens after you've eaten 5 blocks of chocolate (the bitter kind of course)!
Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Wipeout- I think you have mistaken who I am. I'm David, not Scott. Otherwise your comment is quite cryptic.
DM, I thought you were one of the Liberal desperadoes who keep insisting black is white if Tony tells you.
Please accept my apologies.
Apology accepted, but for what I'm not sure.
The dislike of Dorothy Dixers knows no political boundaries.
The question was about the CT, not the compo package.
But thanks for the reminder of one of the craziest policies ever invoked - tax them to stop something then compensate them for taxing them !
So Hacka, perhaps one day, even Whayalla will be wiped out...
Tony Abbott will argue that even such venerable Mexican scientists as El Nino and La Nina are poles apart on climate change so why should he believe in climate change.
Tony Abbott and Cory Bernardi are Australia's greatest thinkers don't you think?
Sorry Pen but you geusstimate for the LII is just wrong. While no one knows the exact final price there is no evidense that it will quadruple in Cost. Price is still estimated at under 200 Million depending on the variant. I'm begining to think that you work for Boeing and this is just sour grapes. hehehe Only Joking. What plane would you get for the role of ground attack/recon/airdefence?. Answer of none is not helpful.
Um - Rod - do you know where Canberra is ?
But we've been told for years that the Murray would stop, and Warragamba would dry up years ago.
What are we expecting in the next ten years ?
2.33 "Segues as gracefully as Swan Lake in Ugg boots".
Judith's on fire.
Why answer a queston when you can attack the opposition, seems to be this opposition governments mantra.
I would be embarassed to have to own up to being a LNP pollie
I happen to like the Carbon Tax. It has reduced pollution by 24% since its introduction. It has also had very little impact on my bills. I am annoyed at how high my electricity bills are. But those bills are sky high due to privatisation, and there is very little impact on them due to the carbon tax.
Careful - you'll be sent to a re-education camp if you are caught saying something contrary to today's version of truth as declared by the Government propaganda unit.
Please document this 24% reduction in "pollution" since the Ct was introduced.
What "pollution" and where?
Otherwise an education camp is what you need re your comment.
the Budget - prop
but what kind of prop?
crutch, millstone or rotting carcass?
I think we could confidently say all three.
How long do we have to put up with Bronwyn Bishop? It's getting beyond a joke. I'm beginning to imagine a giant foot (like the opening theme of Monty Python's Flying Circus) coming down on the parliamentary chamber and bringing the whole show to an end, because it would be the only way to stop her.
I*m waiting for Delores to start banging her shoe on the desk a la Kruschev...
@David D. But Bronnie has a way with hair styling that Khrushchev just didn't have.
The carbon tax is detrimental I have read reports of its dire consequences:
"So far 55% of companies have exceeded expectations (compared to a norm of 43%); 73% of companies have seen their profits rise from a year ago (compared to a norm of 66%); a whopping 78% of companies have increased their dividends from a year ago (compared to an average of around 62% in the last two years)… Key themes are a massive turnaround for the resources stocks (notably Rio), banks doing very well (with great results from CBA and ANZ), help coming through from the lower $A, ongoing cost control, improved outlook comments from cyclicals (like Boral) and soaring dividends."
A school chaplain can be a person with certificate, a whole one year period of learning? So they can advise our kids on what's what. But let me cut to chase, we all know that chaplaincy it is about expanding Christian culture. The problem here is there is not one chaplain in our schools, and there is never likely to be one, who understands the Christian bible.
Why? "To you [Yeshua's inner circle] is given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those outside everything is in parables" (Mk. 4:9-12).
So everything, I repeat "everything" is written in parable, and that means every single word is part of an ancient Jewish metaphoric language and every story is metaphor for something not apparent. So what are the chaplains doing in our schools? And why are we paying $245 million for the stupidity? Hello is anyone there?
Rather than being a venue for policy formulation the LNP Party Room seems to be a place for Dixers to be handed out - pity the LNP doesn't hire a few policy advisors and get rid of the sloganeers
Can you name a business or taxpayer that's not impacted by the CT ?
Just one ?
Have you forgotten about the tax compensation paid to offset this - or is than an inconvenient truth ?
Must be having a bad day Hacka as that response is waaaayyyy out of left field. Guess you can't really answer the comment
Hacka, the CT is irrelevant. We might save $550 a year, but with his new budget, Abbott is costing us $6000 a year instead.
I know which I would prefer - Carbon Tax, which is hardly even noticeable to me, over $6000 of extra Abbott charges.
@ Hacka
You make this far too easy. What about all those low income tax-payers who got the compensation for a start?.
What kind of question is that "Name any that tax-payer or businesses have not been impacted". The whole point is that everyone is supposed to pay for their pollution which was previously emiited at no cost.
The real issue here that neither you nor Tony can confidently argue - is that all of the prediicted negative impacts have not eventuated. The impact, curently approx $3-4 per family per week is so negliglble that people don't feel it.
What the majority of the populaiton do care about is doing something meaningful about climate change and you know what, really don't mind paying the tax.
Get a new argument. Yours is full of holes.
Yes Hacka - Tony and Joe*s mushroom farm - making a fortune selling off all the extra fertilizer
BTS - i'll presume from your answer that you can't name a single one.
Or would you like another try ?
Blue Tie
Can you name one coastal town that won't be hit by climate change in the next 10 years ? Hope Hack's not to close to the water !
@ Hacks.
You just don't get it.
At all, do you. The point of taxing carbon is exactly that - to tax everybody!
Seriously. Are you really that ignorant of basic economics that your only argument against a tax is that it is doing what it is supposed to be doing, therefore should be scrapped?
Please stop posting on the climate and economics. It just makes my brain hurt.
Perhaps just stick with the Labor bashing.
Hacka, I can - me. Thanks to the carbon tax I looked more closely at my electricity usage. While my bills has increased dramatically well before the CT, the smidgeon extra and awareness of CC encouraged me to reduce my usage. Now my electricity bills are LESS than prior to CT. Not so toxic for me then!
Hacka - since I got tax compensation then I am no worse off - for that matter neither are you. But in any event the CT has nothing to do with the policy free zone in the LNP Party Room - and the dreadful Dixers. But then you don't have an answer to that so you throw another red herring into the pot. Everyoneel else posting here sees your defelctions for what they are.
Rod - I can't name one place in Australia that won't be impacted by climate change - except for Tony Abbott's back yard - he is a denier so it won't happen to him . . will it ??
More rubbish from the LNP "Every business is hit by the carbon tax, every household is hit by the carbon tax, This is an economic disaster ... and it's all the fault of members opposite."
Tony Abbott - this government has been honest and upfront with the electorate. What dictionary is Tony using?
Sounds like the one in which the labor party tried to change the meaning of Misogyny.
are you aware that Abbott first used the "misogyny" term in his speech to Parliament on that famous day 9 Oct 2012, immediately preceding Gillard's speech, and her use of the term. She was mirroring and replying to Abbott in kind.
Abbott said "... This is a government which is only too ready to detect
sexism—to detect misogyny, no less—until they find it in one of their own supporters, until they find it in someone upon whom this Prime Minister relies to survive in her job. Then, of course, no fault can possibly be found—no evil dare be spoken. ....."
So please enlighten me as to when Labor accused anyone on the Lib side, of misogyny prior to Abbott's speech and explain why it was inappropriate for Gillard to use the term in the circumstances but OK for Abbott to do so (if you think it was OK that Abbott did?)
Now we have Mr Credlin pushing the line about how families will be better off ff Tony Truthfull can get his Carbon Tax legislation through - what next ? What is going to happen to the tax compensation that is currently being applied to tax rates ? Will that diasppear too ? I think I saw Pepa Pig fly by.
WIth this government Peppa Pig is getting a really good work-out. I think we will be seeing a lot more of her flying over Canberra.
It's one thing for Bill to bang on and on about cost of living issues, as Abbott did under Labor.
But wouldn't he be smarter to do so without the constant carbon tax noose around his neck ? He's pushing the barrow uphill pretty badly until then.
And the compensation that is in place in the tax rates for the Carbon Tax ???? Seems to be overlooked by all the deniers
Cost of living drop under a Liberal government = $5500 per individual. It's a disgrace. I never voted for such an attack on the people.
Yes Hacka, you have forgotten Tony's great big new tax and his petrol tax rise. My how convenient of you to leave those out.
Hacka says -
Pen - are you and Windmill related by chance ?
Whether it's the CT, Antarctic ice sheets or Medicare supplements, one does try occasionally to answer both your repetitive, gotcha-seeking questions, but even then you keep asking the same thing time and time again. Got anything new.
Oh poor hacka, the expert and fastest out of the blocks with gotcha seeking Qs and the same old same old. What a whinger.
Speaking for myself -
It's not my problem that you have political and moral weaknesses.
I know you understand how QT works and what purpose it is used for.
It's not my problem that some of your policies stink so much even you can't spin an answer on their political and moral weaknesses. I don't have to use gotcha seeking Qs. Just plain old ones about your policies does nicely. Questions for you on your stinky policies will keep popping up as you are a disingenuous political stunt.
Pen and I are not related except from what he says, we are both not party political hacks and understand that government here flips from a Liberal minority gov to an ALP one (a couple of times minority) and that both need to be held to account as all governments make a mess of numerous things, and we don't have the blinkers that go with being party hacks.
Now, about that death and destruction disaster of yours, it's looking worse everyday, isn't it?
Picture @ 1.07pm: Going by todays news the amount members sitting in the House is probably proportionate to the amount of people who currently support the repeal.
1.59 Brian- no mention of cross benchers either.
1:07 Picture, we pay theses clowns and they don't show up, I don't care which side, your payed to represent, bloody well do it.
I wish that the LNP would finish their sentences properly.
If only they would say what they actually mean.
i.e. "We fully accept that climate change is a serious issue for a large part of the population who vote, which is why we will continue to pretend to be doing something meaningful about it while actually doing the complete opposite. If we conitnue the lie long enough perhaps people might start to believe us. I mean why not, it worked for the Carbon Tax"
Judith, I briefly doubted your sanity. Then on closer inspection I noticed that the second letter of the tenth word of your 1:44 post was a 'x', not an 'r'.
Nothing e*otic at all about this lot
Gigondas, you need help if you think that there could be any possibility that someone could be turned on by the prospect of question time. This is the daytime equivalent of "not tonight dear, I've got a headache"
Very funny.
ALP: Committed to 5-25pc reduction on 2000 levels by 2020, based on the ambition of global agreement and 80pc reduction by 2050 which is in line with the UK and Germany. Signatory to second commitment period of Kyoto Protocol for 2020 reduction and intention to ratify. Carbon pricing legislated in 2011 along with independent Climate Change Authority, Clean Energy Regulator, and Australian Renewable Energy Agency.
Climate Commission established administratively in February 2011 to explain the science of climate change. Announced in July 2013 bringing forward emissions trading scheme to 1 July 2014 and cutting back Energy Security Fund from $4.3 billion to $2.5 billion.
CEFC legislated in 2012 with funding of $10 billion over 5 years to leverage private investment to deploy and commercialise large scale renewable energy and energy efficiency projects with funding from July 1, 2013. Investment functions of Low Carbon Australia now merged into CEFC.
Labor supports a global deal through the United Nations negotiations and along with all member countries has agreed to set up a legally binding international deal for all major emitters by 2015 in Paris, to be up and running by 2019. Supports G20 and Major Economies Forum to shape global solution and climate deal.
ALP: Committed to the RET of at least 20pc by 2020 which maintains target of 41,000 GWh large scale renewable energy generation by 2020. Commitment not to review RET until 2016.
11.43 We are meant to be reducing our emissions. Why are school children being set such a poor example? Wearing tshirts in a freezing cold Canberra winter is not on.
Have the powers that be not heard of CC and how we should be teaching our young to dress appropriately and save on heating and cooling emissions and costs.
Knowing how stupid some people are, the kids only wear their jumpers in Summer when the air con is flat out.
We as Individuals must change our behaviours and reduce emissions. I doubt the Govt school is that well insulated or powered entirely by renewables.
Wear a jumper! Doing something so simple would save the school heaps and set an example.
"The carbon tax is a $9 billion hit on our economy this year alone ... this bill gets rid of it," adds the PM as he commends the bill to the House" (T.Abbott).
The above absurdity demands that I repeat, "We are to pay $840 billion for 100 F35's. Yes, you read it right, $840 million each x 100 = $840 billion. Our 100 lemons cost $32,000.00 per hour to fly and maintain x 100 planes = $3.2 million per hour x 500 hours annual use for say 40 years expends 64 billion tax paid dollars, plus purchase price, plus inflation, plus any combat costs.
Oh, and ties us to Lockheed Martin's spare parts mortgage facility of unspecified interest and price hikes for the next 40 years.
Lockheed's mortgage reasons why OAP's living on $400 million less, NO CUTS, but reductions to bi-annual pension adjustments. It also explains where, Hockey's $667 billion 10 year debt forecast comes from. It probably reasons why there are no NDIS wheel chair funds, due to spare engines for lemons cost $28.947 million each.
While Abbott moans about spending $6 billion on climate change he has no problem spending $840 billion on fighting an imaginary enemy with an imaginary 5th generation plane recognised as a lemon.
A correction on your maths, Pen: $840 million x 100 = $84 billion but yes, I see your point. The claimed cost of the Carbon tax is a fraction of the F35 JSFs and their ongoing costs.
Another great cartoon from Cathy Wilcox, with Tony running away with the key after having locked down all renewable options.
Let's face it - Abbott is in the back pocket of the mining and oil corporations.
He gave a slavishly obsequious speech to corporate oil and mining heavyweights in Texas during his trip to the US.
Funny how he will not be so open to this electorate.
When does 'clever politics' become nothing other than unadulterated deception, treating voters like the mugs they mistakenly think we are?
If Abbott was actually an honorable politician, he would mail a copy of his Texas speech to every household in the country, so we knew what he really stood for.
But he hasn't got the guts.
I think that New Zealand Prime Minister John Key made a real impression in the USA. He made a real impression on the President. On just about everything progressive New Zealand appears to be making a real impression on the world. Too bad we have Tony Abbott, the most unimpressive Prime Minister in a long long time.
Check out the photo at 1.07pm. Can all the anti Gov Hypocrites who were disgusted when none of the Gov turned up to hear the opposition leader a few weeks ago please now come forth and criticise the labor party?
I don't remember that, but I do remember the chamber looked exactly the same, other than the faces of the attendees when Labor introduced the Carbon pricing legislation in the first place. Oppositions never attend Govt launches unless they are broadcast.
Big deal.
Perhaps, Brettie, but you might also ask why only half of the Coalition have bothered to turn up to hear the Great Leader. Where are the rest of them?
only the clinically insane would go back to hear the same lies being spun over and over again. once sure, twice maybe the argument has gained strength, but three times would be like participating in a grand insult to the electorate. polls now show that people support a carbon price more than direct action. perhaps Tony should grow a spine, call a DD and find out what the mandate is now.
Labor team "No Show" is well justified . this event is of total different nature vs the last Liberal "No Show", as this is no point(nor value added) to listen to "Climate Change" denier and "LIAR". Good on Labor team
Yep thought the one eyed response would be like this. Really for those clowns that were "outraged" at parliament previously hold your heads in shame as your bias is clearly on show... again.
Check out the post at 1:59pm. Just shows what a fraud the Liberals are. Why should Labor turn up to hear yet again the attempts by this despicable government to help make the world unliveable for our children and grandchildren?
I was going to reply re NDIS but The Pulse has done it for me re the Pic.
Why would anyone show up to hear a verbatim repeat of the proposed legislation ? Better off to attend to electorate business instead.
Perhaps the preliminary question Brettie, is can you copy and paste a previous post to show that your were outraged at the Govt's no show to Labor's motion a few weeks ago?
If you did not make such a post in the past, then before asking others to remove the splinters from their eyes, remove the log from your own (with apologies to Pen for my literal use/interp of the bible).
Picture at 1:07: Abbott's mandate in action.
True. Not many women in the picture.
Every senator should be on notice that if they vote to repeal the carbon price without insisting on an equivalent scheme that will fund green energy infrastructure programmes then their tenure as a senator will be short indeed.
This country desperately needs funding to put in place wave power, concentrated solar power stations with salt storage to achieve green base load power production 24/7/365.
In addition we need funding for programmes and universities that will allow Australians the expertise to utilise thorium as a nuclear fuel for reactors within the near future. When this fuel becomes commercially available about 2018-20 it will revolutionise the nuclear industry by freeing it from nuclear waste and its disposal. We must be ready to utilise this product.
Talk about flog a dead horse! This party hasn't a clue. They are going to keep trying to block this bill until the opposition doesn't bother to turn up in chambers. Talk about moronic politics by moronic politicians. God bring back Malcolm for Gods sake so this country can start to move forward again PLEASE!
A Murdoch hack trying to destabilise the ALP? BIG surprise there!! The trouble is that has so discredited itself with bias and its cont attempts to destabilise the ALP that no one within the party (and few in the public) pay much attention to them any more.
So - any changes at all to the legislation being reintroduced ? If not then the conclusion is forgone. What a waste of time and money. The LNP pollies must have had a brain snap in the cold Canberra weather.
Pictures of Abbott at 11.47am and 11.50pm in high viz work gear.
Polls for Abbott are falling and getting worse, time to don the "I am one of you" costumes and revive the pre-election con that he is one of us, understands, cares and has got our backs.
Seeing as though the government just received a 4-point poll bounce, isn't your comment completely inaccurate ?
Ole Truckin Tone is back.
Thank god for the high viz vest. I was starting to fear that Tony was hiding from his audience because of the unpopularity of his budget. Great showman, poor PM, probably sums him up..
Believe the poll bounce Hacka! Feed back to Abbott that going to a double dissolution will solve all his problems because of that poll bounce. Make him think he can win. Go on. Just do it. We all want to see if the public really want all these new policies, right? Isn't that what democracy is for?
Libs may have increased their "approval" but people still hate Tone....
Hacka, that cat is so dead it could well be the skeletal remains of a sabre tooth tiger!
@Hacka - funny, I seem to remember you mentioning before that individual polls don't mean much, but longer-term trends of polls mean a lot more (or do individual polls mean something when you can put a positive spin on them for the LNP, I've forgotten). Anyhow, a quick lesson on how to analyse polls rigorously: A 4 point jump in a one of poll does not tell us much because it is in the MoE. Nevertheless, what this poll does tells us is (in line with polling from different companies over the past 3 months) is that the LNP has been in a consistent losing position and that Abbott is an extremely unpopular PM. We can draw that conclusion with a high degree of certainty
But he did discover that there was no global warming on the coolroom.
Was that sarcasm? The Libs are getting demolished. The ignorance displayed by their front benchers and voters has not been unnoticed. Dead cats bounce.
no my comment is not completely inaccurate. I said polls for Abbott falling, not for the Govt.
So nice try but no cigar! (Suggest apply to Smokin Joe for same if suitably entitled, appears you may be, but if not and in need, forget it).
Your bias may be affecting your ability to read the written word. First you seem to misinterpret or misrepresent (your comment at 12.55 in reply to me) the climate institute survey results about the carbon tax as opposed to carbon pricing (and weirdly contradictory results there) when my comment specifically referred to the carbon tax, and now my comment above.
Mortlock - your comment about trend is true. Since the budget, we've seen a couple of dips for the government, but a small then larger recovery in the last two weeks. To me that says the worst is over and the government is coming back a little.
In terms of MoE, Newspoll normally quotes about 2.5% but it depends upon sample size.
Your, and Mum's comments about Abbott personally are true - he's never to win a popularity contest. But it clearly still rankles so many posters that the bloke they declared unelectable for so long is the Prime Minister.
For anyone with an ounce of intelligence this week is just another week of achieving nothing for the country. For all the crap the LNP have spun about this issue, their methods have been found to be useless in other nations, whereas a carbon industry would put us on the front foot for developing our nation.
Welcome to Australia, the new backwater. Open for business? Crap!
Re: "The carbon tax is a $9 billion hit on our economy this year alone ... this bill gets rid of it," adds the PM as he commends the bill to the House" (T.Abbott).
So Abbott commends another lie to the House. On 1 July 2013, the carbon price was $24.15 per tonne realising $6.3 billion. On 1 July 2014 it increased to $25.40 per tonne an increase of 5.17% to realise $6.615 billion. That is an increase from 70 cents per person per day to 75 cents per person per day.
From 1 July 2015, the scheme is to enter a flexible price period, which means the price of carbon will be set by the market within certain constraints.
Don't know about you, but I've barely noticed it.
Tone, I found the $100 roasts a bit much.
12.30pm. So for the third time, "the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill has also been re-introduced by Hunt." It was voted down only last week.
So reintroducing the same legislation over and over that previously failed to pass, is the Govt's strategy to get legislation through the Senate. Besides that being the definition of insanity, they will need a more adult and nuanced approach than that in the new Senate.
Maye they are pushing for the long promised DD? After all the polls are as good as they will get.
Or maybe just a new senate...
"Climate change is a serious and fundamental issue," Hunt says. And the government "fully accepts" the science of climate change. I would have loved to have seen Tony's face when Greg said that.
Tony saying now he believes the science of climate change convinces no-one. His response to the inconvenient truth is a convenient lie.
Hunt really does take hypocrisy to level hitherto never seen before. It begs belief that a Minister can lie so blatantly and mislead in the parliament. Clearly if he thought climate important then he would not be wrecking every attempt to fight it.
Yes I agree Gigondas,
Hunt's lies are a disgrace.
His contempt for the electorate and for our democracy that for good health needs an honest discourse, is on show in those comments when contrasted with their inaction on climate change and determination to prosecute the status quo.
Wait. Did someone update Wikipedia?
YAY! More double dissolution trggers.
Bet the government doesn't have the ticker to use them!
12:32, Greg Hunt should remind us all what his thesis was about, then explain Direct Action!!
Because the human mind is drawn to alliteration, every time I hear "toxic tax" I also think of our PM's name. Doesn't he realise that many people have shortened (no pun intended) this three word association to Toxic Tony? How I look forward to THAT liberation!
On the day that polling finds less than a third of people want the carbon price scrapped, Tony claims a 'mandate' to do just that. He's even sticking to his completely discredited 'wrecking ball through the economy' line, now reworded as 'a $9 billion hit on our economy this year alone', a claim made laughable by the recent strong economic growth figures.
And his solution? Pay the polluters to volunteer to pollute a little less, funded by guess who- you and me. This is a plan that could only have been made by someone who thinks climate change is absolute crap, but who for purely cynical political reasons needs to be seen to be doing something.
I wonder is there any mechanism in the Senate to stop people with peculiar interest voting to benefit themselves. There is apparent rule in the lower house but not in the upper house - that is why Mr Palmer is abstaining from voting in any legislation affecting the mining or carbon taxes I mean the PUP senators should not be allowed to vote in any legislation dealing with mining tax or carbon tax because they are directly and financially benefit from those taxes being repealed - It is a multimillion dollar benefits it is NOT an insignificant sum of money.
A word of advice for Abbott, albeit a paraphrase of an old saw;
'If you can't say something true, don't say anything at all.'"
I think the Politics 101 version of this is "'If you can't say something true, don't say anything at all (unless it wins votes)'"
Why is it that Abbott still partakes in stunts as if he was in campaign mode? Surely he should be debating legislation and explaining the rationale behind policy rather than pretending to be a cold stores worker for 3 minutes...
If the Carbon Tax is repealed,will Abbott stare into the camera,put his hand on his heart and promise that there will not be even a one cent rise in our bills or food or petrol?
Off course he would, but only with a non-core promise
It is ironic that one of the few promises that Abbott is absolutely determined keep ie the carbon tax, is the one that most needs to be broken while its keeping has the most potential to damage our environment, economy and society in the medium to long term.
In your opinion, Lyn. Some two thirds of Australians disagree with you, as the Climate Institute polling shows.
Hacka getting desperate are we, helicopter picking polls to support an increasingly desperate/hopeless situation.
Hacka - you are doing a Tony . . . the CLimate Institute study shows that an increase in the number of people now supporting the Carbon Tax.
Sure Blue Tie - but 2/3ds still don't.
Yes Blue tie, not sure what Hacka is on or on about.
The survey referred to at 12.10pm shows that support for the carbon tax has grown, quite significantly.
Down from 52% in 2012, now only 30% disagree with the carbon tax.
Oh dear Hacka, you won't be getting your EOFY bonus for effective spinning.
Quick, get another stupefying strategy to fool the electors - they are waking up to the truth about climate change and the merits of the CT and Labor's other climate change policies!
Hacka, using your logic. I can say 2/3rds of the people don't support your alternative view either.
Abbott's on You Tube still spouting the tired old mantra about the carbon tax:
* not helping the environment (yes it is - emissions have reduced, energy efficiency is being pursued and adopted, cleaner technologies being utilised, all as intended and expected);
* business and manufacturers who export will benefit from lower prices (not as much as they would from all the new technology, innovation and jobs that would be created from embracing the transition to cleaner and renewable energy and more energy efficient technologies, which will not emerge without Govt policy encouraging this and financial subsidy);
* households will save $550 and electricity prices will fall 9% (prices wont fall so households won't be better off);
* the tax hurts households (most are compensated for the tax and how much will unabated climate change hurt households, you numpty Abbott?)
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqaSeIsZkwQ
Interesting for TA to feel the need to have to spruik this, with his massive mandate and all. Obviously worried. He'll be remembered a long time for this, and not favourably.
If this insanity happens, hope someone takes him to task with the $550 saving which in an ideal world may be achieved, but in the real world...he's dreamin.
Re: Shorten "describes Direct Action as a "multi-billion dollar boondoggle".
What is the matter with Shorten? Why doesn't he expose Direct Action for what it is a complete waste of time, money, and resources.
By 2017 forecasts predict 800 million tonne gross coal production, producing 2.28 billion tonnes of CO2. Absorption of CO2 by forests varies; however, one scientific research centre suggests 440 tonnes of CO2 absorption per one hectare of mature forest, bearing in mind trees take at least 30 years to mature? Nevertheless absorbing 2.28 billion tonnes of CO2 divided by 440 tonnes per hectare equates to 5.8 million additional hectares of forest. To place this in context Victoria's forestry comprises 3.7 million hectares. Even cutting emissions by 20% on 2017 CO2 figures requires 1.16 million hectares of additional forest.
Trees spaced by one per 3 square metres = 450 trees per hectare x 1160000 hectares = 522 million trees. So all each member of Abbott's Green Army has to do is plant 208,800 trees each. By my reckoning based working 38 hours per week 48 weeks per year a Green Army soldier should complete their task in 114.47 years. And all we get from Shorten is "boondoggle".
In the pathetic stakes it is difficult to choose between Abbott and Shorten.
Yeah I done the math ages ago Pen and it's a sh*t load of trees I agree. However re-forestation is generally a good thing. Not going to go anywhere near the carbon sink required to absorb increasing CO2...but it's still worth doing anyway. Also if you reforest the forest, so to speak, you have to have a plan for the trees demise. That's long term but equally important. Beats buying already existing permits in Europe as a trade off though. Should have spent the NBN money on a solar institute then headhunted all the best tech scientists to Aus to make the next few generations of PV cells and finally build that CSP site in Mildura!!. Still you heard my rant about this before.
I agree, but not when planning to de-forest Tasmanian wilderness. Besides we simply do have the time to go with Direct Action. The quickest way to deal with the problem is to dramatically cut emissions from power stations and in the short term for Australian conditions that means concentrated solar power stations with salt storage.
Come on Bill - surely you can tell what your climate change policy is - the ALP does have one doesn't it ?
Labor has always supported emissions trading - they legislated it and have supported it ever since.
Sure as hell the Coalition doesn't
The rusted on Liberal cheer squad's negative focus on Shorten is understandable - it's far too painful and embarrassing to contemplate what Abbott and Co are doing.
Best to look over there at Labor.
Yes they do Hacka they went to the last election with one. Question is will Tony call a DD if the repeal is voted down in the senate again????? Or is that just another lie!
Yes they had Steve, until last week when a couple of times Butler and Shorten seemed to muddy the waters, suggesting they might have a rethink.
Are you being obtuse? Labor will vote to keep the carbon tax/price, which evey economist (and at least half the LNP) recognise as the most effective policy to deal with climate change. But as an inveterate coalition supporter, isn't it in your script sheet to be a climate change denier?
Surely this kind of comment should be moderated - for spreading lies and misinformation - everyone knows ALP has always supported emissions trading - they legislated it and have supported it ever since.and best of all it is operational
Unlike the LNP Direct -Inaction not even makes to the lower house
Hacka - really, you are asking what Bill Shorten's climate change policy is? Next you will be telling us that plain packaging has not coincided with a drop in tobacco sales in Australia - oh yeah, that was your line last week. Incorrectly criticizing another great policy by the ALP. Credibility Crisis Hacka. Proudly brought to you by the LNP and their media hacks.
Policies Hacka ? Not on your side of the divide - slogans and soundbites are the best we hear. But then Tony's so inept in front of a journalist that he probably couldn't "explain" a policy if he fell over one . . . errm, ahh, well, gee . . .
Mais51 - you must have missed Butler on Australian Agenda last week:
Also, checkout the Pulse's 12:38 post last Monday which covered the Laura Tingle report on it.
So may i ask again - does anyone know what the ALP climate change policy actually is ?
GR the policy that the ALP went to the last election was to TERMINATE the carbon tax.
Why they even circulated propaganda claiming the carbon tax had been TERMINATED.
So it appears they do not have a policy or they are fibbers as they continue to support the CT rather then TERMINATE it.
Andie - "GR the policy that the ALP went to the last election was to TERMINATE the carbon tax."
Telling only half the story, Andie.
Labor's election policy was to terminate the CT and replace it with an ETS (if elected). This policy was the same as Gillard's except that it accelerated the implementation of the ETS, which would have taken effect on July 2015 under Gillard policy).
I am giving you credit here for knowing what Labor's policy was on CT/ETS, that it took to the election. So why do you comment in such a misleading way?
Do you think others here are so stupid, ill informed and of so little brain, that you will get away with that? Perhaps the stupidity lies closer to home.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mills
Lyn - being so wise, can you tell us what the Labor climate change policy is today, as was the original question ?
Hacka you are attributing a motivation I do not have. To defend or spruik Labor per se. What I am interested in is rebutting misrepresentations ( not opinions) when I read them
I don't know from my own knowledge what Labor's policy is at the moment and if what you say is correct, I would not be able to ascertain it. So just another disingenous query from you then?
I am loathe to accept anything you assert as correct, given IMO and experience, you usually misrepresent the facts on here. So I wont be accepting your version of what Labor's policy is, as truth.
The question you asked was of Shorten ie "Come on Bill - surely you can tell what your climate change policy is - the ALP does have one doesn't it ?"
And then you ask me to now answer it as if I was derelict in not doing os previously in my answer to Andie about Labor's policy it took to the election.
Make up your mind and excuse me for not answering before as my name is not
Clearly having trouble today Hacka with recall and understanding as pointed out elsewhere (even of your own comments and queries).
Lyn then why did they circulate propaganda claiming to have Terminated the carbon tax?
I guess that ranks in untruthfulness then with the "literature" the ALP sent out to tell us all about their FOUR years of surpluses.
Lyn re your insults I actually thought you were above that sort of comment but how wrong I was.
Andie - i concur. Today for some reason, Lyn wants to brand anyone who doesn't agree with her as a liar or shock horror .... a conservative.
Happy to stand by all comments Lyn, you're welcome to constructively attack any of them with facts or reason. Still waiting ....
I think it is fair to assume that the policies that Labor had in place for their 6 years in office are a good guide to what their carbon policies are. And if this was 2 years ago and I asked you about Abbott policies you'd be telling me that opposition doesn't need to release policies till an election (at which time it will make a bunch of statements that ALL turn out to be lies)
Maybe you could explain how DA is going to do anything other than being a 'cobra effect'?
I don't know why Labor said it had ended the CT, you would need to ask Labor. But I can suppose that it circulated false CT termination info, to try and fool the voters and have a better chance of winning the election. For the same reason I assume LNP did the same, although on an industrial scale. I condemn all such behaviour and Labor should not have lied and spread false information and you won't get me defending that.
Regardless of Labor saying it had terminated the CT pre-election, this did not change its election policy position, that you misrepresented.
I am aware that Labor said they would deliver surpluses and then repeatedly failed to do so, but not as you assert that they said after they had delivered a deficit or deficits , they had actually delivered surpluses for "FOUR years". I will stand corrected and appreciate the edification if you can point out when Labor said the latter.
Comparatively in the mendacity stakes, the Libs are the clear winners.
OK to tell me you are insulted but why did you avoid answering the question and substantive issue/point I put to you?
Which was in essence, did you mean to insult the intelligence of quite a few commenters on here by misrepresenting Labor's CT/ETS policy that it took to the election, in thinking you could get away with that unchallenged or were you oblivious ie possibly too stupid to appreciate the potential insult?
I did not say you were stupid. I speculated whether that could be the case.
The JSM quote was a form of defence from an obvious attack – again giving you credit for not being oblivious to your own first insult you shot across the blogging bows.
I have dealt with the substantive issues via previous posts as best I can. So like you, until you point out the actual deficiency or lack of content in my responses, then I stand by mine.
Perhaps if you care to re-read them, ask me what you don't understand or point out where I am deficient in response, I will then do my best to clarify, but until then ……. you will continue to wait.
No other commenters have been "branded" as anything by me – liars or conservatives, so stop verballing me.
I am not so juvenile as to consider labeling someone a conservative is an insult. Although I see where you are coming from on this, because many on these blogs seem to think labeling someone who holds left or progressive views, a "leftie", is an insult. Most curious.
Abbottism has brought a pestilential horde of political unfairness down on those who can least cope. Those with kaleidoscope eyes ignore the thinking of an unintelligent, dedicated to ordinariness, untalented type of man with a want to impose misery. One could expect such cruel and satisfying mockery from the Neolithic era: brutish mindlessness like a man who carelessly throws a well gnawed bone to his dog, after the cur had found his supper.
There can be no meat on a bone shaved to pay $840 billion for 100 F35's. Yes, you read it right, $840 million each x 100 = $840 billion. The $12 billion for 58 planes is Neolithic speak.. Our Mr Unfairness (Ardipithecus ramidus kadabba type man) is remiss to explain that 100 lemons cost $32,000.00 per hour to fly and maintain x 100 planes = $3.2 million per hour x 500 hours annual use for say 40 years expends 64 billion tax paid dollars, plus purchase price, plus inflation, plus any combat costs. Oh, and ties us to Lockheed Martin's spare parts mortgage facility of unspecified interest and price hikes for the next 40 years.
Lockheed's mortgage reasons why a mind like a son of Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis) has OAP's living on $400 million less, NO cuts, but reductions to bi-annual pension adjustments. It also explains where, Hockey's $667 billion 10 year debt forecast comes from, which in terms of mystery is similar to that of Sahelanthropus tchadensis the oldest hominid found to date. Neothandral dumbness probably reasons no NDIS wheel chair funds, due to spare engines for lemons cost $28.947 million each.
It's truly primate type thinking to spend $840 billion on fighting an imaginary enemy while meanwhile spending nothing on climate change.
Abbott: truly an offspring of Lucy in the sky with diamonds.
Speaking of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, while Hacka sings Don't Let Me Down to the Fool On The Hill, Liberal voters are increasingly humming I Should Have Known Better.
Gigondas, brilliant
Divide and conquer politics. I fist saw it and it's devastating effects under Thatcher and look at what a basket case England is now.
That is our future if we allow Abbot and his band of muppets continue along the path they have currently taken.
You can see our future there every day in the UK media as the place thrashes around like the drowning man clinging to wreckage from the already sunk ship. The agony of final death coming soon as the energy to hold on let alone the will to live fades away.
Sorry Pen but you geusstimate for the LII is just wrong. While no one knows the exact final price there is no evidense that it will quadruple in Cost. Price is still estimated at under 200 Million depending on the variant. I'm begining to think that you work for Boeing and this is just sour grapes. hehehe Only Joking. What plane would you get for the role of ground attack/recon/airdefence?. Answer of none is not helpful.
Nobody's gonna read that essay.
Pen do you have sources for a F-35 having a service life of 20,000 flying hours, or did you just make that figure up?
The polls still aren't great for the government, but at least with a four point primary vote jump, they're moving in the right direction.
With the carbon tax repeal looking likely, Abbott will be able to say that he's taken the headline steps in his election platforms.
Can we expect some horse trading this week in the last few days of the 2007 Senate ?
Yes Hacka
Greg Hunt still churns, "We have a mandate." Politicians like Hunt lie through their back teeth about climate change and then based on the lies claim a mandate, but lies don't make a mandate. Lies are deceit of the democratic process, but as far as a mandate goes its crap.
Everyone should understand the cost of carbon pollution to Australian coastal communities will be horrendous. It is inane, childish and incompetent to deny global warming and ocean expansion.
To put the problem is the effects of Co2 energy imbalance between atmospheric carbon in 1955 (315 ppm) with today (over 400 ppm). In terms of energy the additional 86 ppm increase equates to 60% of one watt per square metre across the earth's surface, it doesn't seem much until one realises it is equal to the energy of 20,000 atomic bombs exploding every day every year and increasing.
Most energy is absorbed by oceans covering 72% of the earth's surface, total volume approximately 1.3 billion cubic kilometres. "The top 700 meters (2,300 feet) has expanded by warming 0.302 degrees since 1969" (NASA). Co2 increase since 1955 has warmed 3.6×108 square kilometres of ocean, therein answers that global warming and ocean rise are real and massive.
Physics dictates 100 litres of water heated from 20oC to 80oC derives volumetric expansion of the water thus:
dV (change in volume) = (100 liters) (0.000214 1/ oC) (80 oC - 20 oC) = 1.28 litres.
A recent study states oceans rise between 0.8 and 2 meters by 2100 will swamp many Australian cities including Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney. Climate scientists are urging Australian authorities to prepare for rising sea levels that could put about $300 billion worth of commercial property, infrastructure and homes at risk.
So much for Hunt's mandate, heh, Hacka
Every day, support for removing the carbon tax drops. Abbott won't get much bounce from voters for repealing it. Many people were formerly opposed to it on the grounds of Gillard's broken promise. Now that she's gone, many voters are revising their view on the policy and realising it's a cheap way to do something.
Read News Ltd today Hacka ? They have a dim view of Tony - says a lot. What will you spin when the next poll shoes support is down again ?
Blue Tie - reading News today it appears that Labor disunity is back in full swing, as reported by an ex-ALP staffer.
@Hacka - funny, I seem to remember you mentioning before that individual polls don't mean much, but longer-term trends of polls mean a lot more (or do individual polls mean something when you can put a positive spin on them for the LNP, I've forgotten). Anyhow, a quick lesson on how to analyse polls rigorously: A 4 point jump in a one of poll does not tell us much because it is in the MoE. Nevertheless, what this poll does tells us is (in line with polling from different companies over the past 3 months) is that the LNP has been in a consistent losing position and that Abbott is an extremely unpopular PM. We can draw that conclusion with a high degree of certainty.
What a surprise Hacka - "look over there at the ALP" rather than look at your own team - Tony is on the nose and Malcolm is looking a better bet every day. I bet there is some number counting going on on the Blue side this week
'Looking likely?' Not according to the reports recently. Abbott is the most impotent policy maker ever. The voters did this on purpose to keep the reins on this megalomaniac.
One despairs for the future of the Liberal Party. Set up as, to quote its founder Robert Menzies, "a progressive party, willing to make experiments, in no sense reactionary but believing in the individual", it is today drifting ever further to the right. As it drifts, Labor itself drifts right hoping to fill the void, although without effective leadership and a coherent narrative it finds itself unable to take advantage.
This has been brought into focus by the weekend comments of Susan Boyce. What a refreshing dose of candor in the world of massaged and sterile political comment. But sadly it also served to highlight what the Liberals have lost. Gone are the strong independent members such as Moylan, Georgiou, Baird, Troeth and now Boyce willing to stand up to the 'Christian' right. Just Russell Broadbent remains.
I've been on the same page Gigondas, watching the moderates disappear.
I wonder who will be the new President of the Senate? Hogg was always fair.
Nailed it Gig. There's a huge void for those of us who feel disenfranchised. There's a sense of dread about disenfranchisement. I share your pain.


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Harry Knuckles
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Robert Miller (bass),
RJ Avallone (trumpet), Yonatan Voltzok (trombone), Gilad Ronen (sax), Haim Cotton (keyboards), Gabriel Pollack (guitar), Ron Thaler (drums), Gilad Dobrecky (percussion).
Composed by Gilad Ronen.
Recorded: New York
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I once had a contractor walk through my living room, take a look at my stereo (which I was proud of at the time, even though it was basically a bunch of half-expensive junk), and say to me, "So you like Kenny G?" My inner jazz snob couldn't hold back the sneer. This isn't really a moment I'm proud of (though I still don't like the G-man), but it does remind me of the times that I've encountered music that takes too close a step toward that Smooth Jazz line. The problem with the genre isn't necessarily its smoothness, but the overall lack of improvisation combined with a rhythmic rigidity. A sure clue often appears in the liner notes with the mention of "programming." If you see that word, it's best to stay away. I suspect that a lot more new jazz fans could be drawn in if the introductory music gave rookie ears the benefit of the doubt and provided them with at least some level of difficulty. "Harry Knuckles" is a very accessible piece that combines funk rhythms (hats off to Gabriel Pollack on guitar), a great bassline, snappy horns, and some terrific solo passages (sax and keys). This isn't to say that Project Grand Slam isn't playing serious music; but they're not afraid to have fun with it.
Reviewer: Mark Saleski
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Chris Guest has handed over the High Street business after more than 40 years in charge.
Five generations of the family have donned the apron in the shop but Chris, 65, has sold the business to Hoyland couple David and Jane Laban who took over ownership last week.
Chris started as a nine-year-old helping his dad out in the shop, wrapping meat and helping him to clean up.
He has become a familiar face to many in Hoyland and was hoping to keep the business in the family. He had three daughters but, Chris said, with not having a son he has been unable to hand over the reins.
David, 43, of George Street has run construction company DAL Construction for 20 years.
He said the butchers will still keep the same staff and suppliers and will continue with the same name.
And, while he is not a butcher, David said he is passionate about keeping the shop going and ensuring it remains part of the community.
Chris said he had always wanted to keep the shop as a butchers and thought Dave and Jane's offer was a very good one.
"When Dave and Jane came along and gave me the opportunity to keep it as a butchers and he wanted to keep my staff on I thought It was too good an opportunity to miss.
"I will miss the people and the customers and the banter that we have had."
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Labeling genetically engineered foods will come at a cost, but it's impossible to say how high it will be, says a report released Wednesday by the Washington Academy of Sciences.
"The numbers just aren't there, and the numbers that are there vary widely," said Eugene Nester, emeritus professor of microbiology at the University of Washington and co-chair of the panel that examined Initiative 522 at the request of several legislative committees.
The question of cost has been a contentious one in the campaign to determine whether Washington will become the first state to implement labeling of genetically engineered, or GE, food.
Pro-labeling ads claim the measure won't raise the cost consumers pay for food. A study commissioned by the "anti" side says the annual food bill for a family of four would jump by $450.
The academy reviewed cost estimates from Oregon, where a genetically modified organism, or GMO, labeling measure failed in 2002, and California, where voters rejected a similar measure last year. They also examined the experience in Europe, where several countries require labels.
Costs and benefits
The group concluded that the cost of labeling itself will be negligible, but that food producers are likely to incur extra expenses from having to separate genetically engineered ingredients from other foods.
Washington's state budget office estimates it will cost $3.4 million over six years, or an average of $567,000 a year, to enforce and administer the labeling requirement.
"Mandatory labeling … is likely to affect trade and impose higher costs on firms producing and selling products in Washington," the panel concluded. "These costs are likely to be passed on to the consumer in higher food prices."
But the lack of any experience with labeling in the U.S. stymied the panel's attempts to zero in more precisely, said co-chair Thomas Marsh, an agricultural economist at Washington State University.
In surveys, consumers say they are willing to pay a 20 to 40 percent premium for GE-labeled foods, Marsh said. "So if you are comparing costs and benefits, if costs are higher than that, this legislation would cost the state of Washington more than it would benefit."
The panel also reviewed safety and nutritional studies of genetically engineered crops and foods, and concurred with all the other major scientific panels that have covered the same ground — including the National Academy of Sciences and the American Medical Association.
"There have been no indications that genetically modified foods are in any way unsafe, or that there have been any health problems associated with them," said Nester, who was part of the team that laid the groundwork for modern genetic engineering.
In the 1970s, he and his colleagues discovered that a microbe called Agrobacterium acts as a natural genetic engineer, inserting its DNA into the nuclei of plant cells. Today, biologists use Agrobacterium as a vector for genetic engineering, replacing the microbe's DNA with the genes they want to add to a crop. But Nester never ventured into genetic engineering himself, limiting his research to basic science.
The Washington Academy of Sciences report calls for continued safety monitoring of genetically engineered foods — and of foods created by conventional breeding methods that can also scramble a plant or animal's DNA.
Opponents pleased
Opponents of I-522 found much to like in the report.
"Key findings … support previous statements of the No on 522 campaign that the initiative would increase costs for farmers, food producers and consumers," said a statement.
Elizabeth Larter, spokeswoman for the Yes campaign, faulted the academy for citing a study bankrolled by the opposition. She also pointed out that the report lists several new GE foods that could be appearing soon in the Pacific Northwest, including salmon engineered to grow more quickly.
"I-522 would label GE salmon and give Washingtonians a … choice at the store if they want to buy and eat them or not," she said.
Robert Bates, executive director of the Washington Academy of Sciences, estimated the cost of the study at $15,000 for staff time, logistics and travel expenses. The six scientists on the panel served without pay, he said.
As of Wednesday, the No campaign had raised $18.2 million, mostly from the Grocery Manufacturers Association, Monsanto and other biotech companies. The total is the most ever raised in the state to oppose an initiative.
The Yes campaign, whose biggest donor is Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps, has raised just under $5 million. Donors include thousands of individuals.


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Gadhafi comes back from the grave to save an ailing bank.
"I've never worked in my life, I won't start now."
Hey, it's not like the guy's shown questionable judgment in the past or anything...
A strange Italian tradition finds a home in the US.
In between penalty kick highlights, jailed Goodfellas were in communique with the outside via text message crawl.
As Fiat goes, so goes Italy.