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http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=HeadManiac&feedformat=atom Grand Theft Wiki - Contributions [en-gb] 2016-06-26T06:48:24Z Contributions MediaWiki 1.28.0-alpha http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Murders_by_Niko_Bellic&diff=159888 Murders by Niko Bellic 2010-07-24T22:58:39Z
HeadManiac: If they respawn they have not been murdered.

There are many hit missions in [[Grand Theft Auto IV]], and [[Niko Bellic]] has accrued the greatest body count of any GTA [[Protagonist|protagonist]] thus far, most likely because he works as a hired gun instead of a creating a criminal empire. Here is a list of his intended targets ("collateral" murders such as those of unidentified gunmen, pedestrians, or police are not included). Random Character, and Most Wanted kills are also choices. Enemy-friend kills are choices that the player can make. These include characters who play a role in the storyline. When given the choice an arrow that blinks red (for enemy), or blue (for friend) will appear. Possible murders are murders of people that don't have a major role in the game, or any role at all. They are listed below:

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 ==Murders==
 *[[Kalem Vulaj]] and [[Bledar Morina]] – They are the first murders by Niko in Liberty City. Niko beat both of them to death in the defense of [[Roman Bellic]].
 *[[Dardan Petrela]] - Murdered for assaulting Roman Bellic.
 *[[Vladimir Glebov]] - Niko shoots him in the eye for sleeping with [[Mallorie Bardas]].
 *[[Lenny Petrovic]] - Murdered on orders of [[Mikhail Faustin]].
 *[[Jason Michaels]] - Murdered on Faustin's order for "messing around" with [[Anna Faustin]].
 *[[Lyle Rivas]] - Chased and killed on orders of [[Bruce Kibbutz]].
 *[[Mikhail Faustin]] - Murdered on orders of [[Dimitri Rascalov]], and to appease [[Kenny Petrovic]].
 *[[Tom Rivas]] - Murdered for not paying off his debt to Brucie Kibbutz.
 *[[Charlie]] - Murdered for having attempted to arrest Niko Bellic, Trey Stewart and Johnny Klebitz.
 *[[Jayvon Simson]] - Murdered for ratting on [[Dwayne Forge]].
 *[[Tom Goldberg]] - Murdered for giving [[Francis McReary]] potential legal trouble.
 *[[Marlon Bridges]] - Murdered on [[Playboy X]]'s orders.
 *[[Trunchez Brothers]] - Murdered so that Dwayne Forge can get the Triangle Club back.
 *[[Oleg Minkov]] - Murdered on orders of [[United Liberty Paper|The United Liberty Paper]].
 *[[Adam Dimayev]] - Niko can kill him or leave
 *[[Teddy Benavidez]] - Murdered for failing to pay [[Ray Boccino]].
 *[[Kim Young-Guk]] - Murdered on orders of [[Jon Gravelli]] for devouring the value of US currency.
 *[[Aiden O'Malley]] - Murdered for trying to testify against [[Derrick McReary]].
 *[[Bucky Sligo]] - Murdered on Derrick McReary's orders for threatening the McReary family.
 *[[Anthony Spoleto]] - Murdered on [[Gerald McReary]]'s orders, to sour the relationship between the [[Ancelotti Family]] and the Albanian Mob (who were framed for the killing).
 *[[Frank Garone]] - Same as Anthony Spoleto. Murdered to damage the Ancelotti relationship with the Albanians.
 *[[Charles Matteo]] - Murdered for discovering [[Phil Bell]]'s role in sabotaging a cocaine deal between the Ancelotti Family and the [[Russian Mafia]].
 *[[Isaac Roth]] - Murdered for threatening Ray Boccino.
 *[[Luca Silvestri]] - Murdered for stealing diamonds from Ray Boccino.
 *[[Joseph DiLeo]] - Murdered in a shootout with Niko Bellic.
 *[[John Barbosa]] - Murdered in a shootout with Niko Bellic.
 *[[Jim Fitzgerald]] - Murdered after causing trouble to Ray Boccino.
 *[[Ray Boccino]] - Murdered for being a potential rat on [[Jimmy Pegorino]]'s orders.
 *[[Anthony Corrado]] - Murdered for leaking information to the [[Federal Bureau of Investigation#Grand Theft Auto IV|FIB]] via wire, for James Pegorino.
 *[[Dimitri Rascalov]] - Murdered for betraying and trying to kill Niko. Also for the responsibility of Roman's Death (only in "Deal" storyline).

 ==Ending Murders==
 *James Pegorino - Murdered for killing Kate McReary (only in "Revenge" storyline).
 *Unnamed Assassin - A Hitman sent by Dimitri to kill Niko at Roman's wedding but Kills Roman instead. (only in "Deal" storyline).

 ==Random Encounter Kills==
 *[[Eddie Low]] - Murdered by Niko in self-defense (Eddie Low is a random character, so killing him or even encountering him in the first place is optional).
 *Clarence Little - Can be spared, although in a later random encounter, he must be killed anyway, unless the encounter is avoided altogether.

 ==Enemy-Friend Choices==
 *[[Ivan Bytchkov]] - Niko can let him fall from the building, on Vlad's orders, or help him up.
 *[[Cherise Glover]] - Niko can shoot her in Ruff Rider, or let her live.
 *[[Clarence Little]] - Niko can kill him, on Francis McReary's orders, or let him live.
 *Unnamed Russian - Appears during Portrait of a Killer. Can be spared or killed.
 *Unnamed Jewish Mobster - Niko can kill him in the Majestic Hotel or walk away.
 *[[Darko Brevic]] - Niko can either take revenge by shooting him multiple times, or spare him.

 ==Kill One or the Other==
 *Playboy X or Dwayne Forge - Both characters ask Niko to kill the other.
 *Francis McReary or Derrick McReary - Niko can shoot either with his sniper rifle; again, both have asked Niko to kill their opposite number.

 ==Possible Murders==
 *[[Mickey (GTA IV)|Mickey]] - Can be killed during Uncle Vlad.
 *[[Jimmy (GTA IV)|Jimmy]] - Niko can kill him during the mission [[Clean Getaway]]. It would change the dialogue with Vlad through the phone.
 *[[Vasily]] - Niko can kill him in a drive-by in the mission [[Wrong is Right]].
 *[[Luis Fernando Lopez]] - Can be killed during Three Leaf Clover. Not programmed to be an in-game target.
 *[[Karen (GTA IV)|Karen]] - Can be killed during Final Interview.
 *[[Johnny Klebitz]] - Can also be murdered during Museum Piece. Same as Luis, not programmed to be killed.
 *[[Alonzo]] - Niko can kill him, or let him warn Teddy.
 *[[Stevie]] - If the player is quick enough they can kill him after I'll Take Her. He may or may not be the Stevie Niko does the car thefts for.
 *[[Frankie Gallo]] - Can be killed by either Niko, or the LCPD during To Live and Die in Alderney. Either way this will cause dialogue to change with Phil.
 *John - A surgeon in the Leftwood Medical Center. Can be killed in Flatline.
 *Doctor Rosem - A doctor in the Leftwood Medical Center. Can be killed in Flatline.

 ==Most Wanted Murders==
 *[[Maxwell Caughlin]]
 *[[Scott Guzowski]]
 *[[Antonio Rivette]]
 *[[Rodrigo Stavnes]]
 *[[Fernando Tisdel]]
 *[[Tyler Pickrel]]
 *[[Preston Pecinovsky]]
 *[[Alonso Goralski]]
 *[[Bert Reker]]
 *[[Freddy Paparo]]
 *[[Shon Kikuchi]]
 *[[Jimmy Kand]]
 *[[Simon Nashly]]
 *[[Tommy Francovic]]
 *[[Lino Friddell]]
 *[[Juan Haimo]]
 *[[Darren Covey]]
 *[[Leo Brodell]]
 *[[Christov Mahonvic]]
 *[[Marty Boldenow]]
 *[[Noel Katsuda]]
 *[[Rodney McEniry]]
 *[[Glenn Lushbaugh]]
 *[[Phil Bacerra]]
 *[[Sergi Szerbin]]
 *[[Danny Hatmaker]]
 *[[Mervin Eskuchen]]
 *[[Frederick Harrison]]
 *[[Keenan Burdett]]
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 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Pistol&diff=191988 Talk:Pistol 2010-07-17T20:26:23Z
HeadManiac: What is this I don't even...

There are far to many pictures on this page. I suggest a gallery be created. --[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]] 04:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

 :I agree. Plus, 3 of the pictures don't even have captions. --[[User:Montybrady|Montybrady]] 04:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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 Does anyone think that the Gta IV weakest pistol could be a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_USP USP].[[User:Andrew nicholson|Andrew nicholson]] 17:49, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

 :No.

 This is the GTA IV pistol:

 [[Image:Pistol-GTA4.png]]

 This is a Glock 21.

 http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3232/glock21gen2.jpg

 For comparison purposes, this is an H&K USP.

 http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9661/usp9mm.jpg

 The GTA IV pistol is clearly a Glock. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|'''MattyDienhoff''']] «[[User_talk:MattyDienhoff|talk]]» 02:10, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

 :That looks like a Glock, if I remember correctly (which I usually don't) the USP has a wider barrel. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' ([[User Talk:Chimpso|Talk]]) 02:22, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

 Ok the weakest pistol is a Glock 21 and the photos helped. end of discussion[[User:Andrew nicholson|Andrew nicholson]] 16:19, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the .357 Magnum bullets from the Desert Eagle be weaker than the .40 S&W from the Glock 21? If so, how come the Desert Eagele is stronger than the Glock?
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Pathos&diff=132333 Pathos 2010-07-17T19:36:00Z
HeadManiac: A desert eagle is a bird, a Desert Eagle is a gun.

{{infobox character
 |name = Pathos
 |image = Pathos-GTAIV.png
 |games = [[Grand Theft Auto IV]]
 |gender = M
 |dob = 1983 (Age 25)
 |home = [[Liberty City in GTA IV Era|Liberty City]]
 |affiliations = [[Niko Bellic]]
 }}

 '''Pathos''' is an aspiring rapper who is selling his self-released album to people in [[Star Junction]], [[Algonquin]], [[Liberty City in GTA IV Era|Liberty City]]. [[Niko Bellic]] first helps Pathos by killing two people who insult his talent. When Niko [[Random Encounter|meets]] him again, Pathos is shot by one of two thugs who attacked him and must be driven to the hospital - on the way, the two conclude that being shot is actually good for Pathos' image. Pathos promises to thank Niko on his next album, right after his mother and God. Pathos later sends an e-mail telling him that they did a good thing in regards to killing the thugs who attacked him. However, Niko replies to the e-mail in a sarcastic manner. Pathos is not heard from again after that.

 ==Trivia==
 * Pathos can be seen at [[Elizabeta Torres]]' party in the mission [[Blow Your Cover]] and again in [[Buyer's Market]]. He's the guy who shouted: "I am the best! I am number ONE!" and does the robot.
 * Pathos's email address is firstname.lastname@example.com.
 * Pathos lives up to his name with his rapping. Pathos is Greek that a mode of persuasion which appeals to an audience's emotions, which doesn't work with some individuals in his random character missions.
 * In the second encounter he gets shot by a Glock 22, but the sound is of a Desert Eagle.

 {{GTA IV Characters}}
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 [[Category:Characters in GTA IV|Pathos]]
 [[Category:Random Characters]]
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Bullet_GT&diff=208014 Bullet GT 2010-07-16T12:09:53Z
HeadManiac: In No. 3 one of the goals you have to get is 140 MPH.

[[Image:BulletGT-TBOGT-front.jpg|thumb|300px|right|A Bullet GT in The Ballad of Gay Tony ([[:Image:BulletGT-TBOGT-rear.jpg|Rear quarter view]]).]]

 The [[Vapid]] '''Bullet GT''' is a supercar featured in [[The Ballad of Gay Tony]].

 == Description ==
 The Bullet GT is evidently based on the [[Bullet]], a similarly designed sports car from [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]], sharing similar [[wp:Ford GT|Ford GT]]-like design cues and hood scoop, and rear window shutters seemingly inspired by those of the [[wp:Lamborghini Miura|Lamborghini Miura]]. The interior is derived from the [[Grotti]] [[Turismo]].

 Much like various newly designed cars in TBOGT, the car lacks badges indicating its manufacturer. However, police chatter refers to the car as a "[[Vapid]] Bullet GT" in the same vein as the Ford GT name.

 == Performance ==
 The Bullet GT has a massive top speed of over 225 km/h (140 MPH),and is possibly and arguably the fastest car in the game, butting heads with the [[Comet]], the [[Turismo]], the [[Police Stinger]] and the [[Coquette]]. It can turn corners easily, and barely has any understeer. Unlike the real Ford GT, which has a relatively low-revving (compared to European cars) supercharged-V8, the Bullet GT's engine is naturally-aspirated and very high-revving.

 ==Trivia==
 * The Bullet GT plays either [[Electro-Choc]] or [[Radio Broker]] by default when entered.

 ==Locations==
 * The player can spawn the Bullet GT via cheat code by dialing "227-555-9666".
 * [[Henrique Bardas]] can acquire one for the player after the mission [[No. 3]].
 * Commonly spawns in [[Algonquin]], especially the southern half of the island.
 * Fairly common in [[Alderney]].
 * The Bullet GT is used in the [[Drug Wars]] as an vehicle packed with drugs, many of these have special paintjobs not seen anywhere else.
 * More common in multiplayer around these locations than in single player.
 * The Bullet GT is used during [[Triathlons]]. The player can obtain a unique green and black Bullet GT in this event.

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 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Blood_Brothers&diff=115520 Blood Brothers 2010-07-06T23:15:10Z
HeadManiac: No you can not.

{{infobox mission
 |name = Blood Brothers
 |image = Blood Brothers (GTA4) (meeting Francis).jpg
 |size = 275px
 |caption = Francis McReary meets Niko to order the killing of his brother Derrick.
 |game = IV
 |for = [[Francis McReary]]
 |location = [[Lancet]], [[Algonquin]]
 |target = [[Francis]] or [[Derrick]]
 |reward = $10000/20000 from [[Francis]] or nothing from [[Derrick]]
 |unlocks = [[Undertaker]]
 |unlockedby = [[Lure (GTA IV)|Lure]], [[Tunnel of Death]] and [[I Need Your Clothes, Your Boots, and Your Motorcycle]]
 |fail = [[Niko]] takes too long
Both [[Francis]] AND [[Derrick]] die
 }}

 '''Blood Brothers''' is is the final mission given by [[Francis McReary]] in [[Grand Theft Auto IV]]. It is unlocked after completing [[Derrick McReary|Derrick's]] final mission, "[[Tunnel of Death]]".

 == Overview ==
 Francis will send Niko a text message telling him to meet Francis in a curb in [[Algonquin]]. Francis pulls up in a [[Landstalker]] and explains that he wants Derrick dead for "the good of the community", when in reality, Derrick is intending to leak incriminating information about Francis to a reporter, jeopardizing his career in the police force. Francis is meeting Derrick in a park in [[Lancet]] to give Niko the opportunity to kill him. Later, Derrick contacts Niko to tell him about the meeting and voices his fear that Francis wants him dead and asks Niko to go to the meeting and kill Francis before he kills him. Niko must now choose between the 2 brothers.

 == Walkthrough ==
 Drive to the park in Lancet. After Derrick's call, Niko will contact Francis again, who gives you instructions on where to take point. Climb the scaffolding and get to the roof via the window cleaning elevator. Run up to the yellow marker. Niko will get his [[sniper rifle]] ready, now is the chance to shoot. Choose between Francis or Derrick, and kill one. If you're going to kill Derrick, make sure to call Francis while on the roof to make him increase the hit payment from $10,000 to '''$20,000'''.

 Whoever you kill, a cutscene will show either Derrick running away or Francis telling everyone to clear the area, depending on who died.

 == Rewards ==
 === [[Francis McReary]] ===
 If you decided to kill Francis, you don't get shit except for the satisfaction of seeing him dead.

 === [[Derrick McReary]] ===
 If you killed Derrick, you will get a large sum of money ($10,000 or ''$20,000'' if the player calls Francis while on the rooftop to bump up the hit payment). You also gain the temporary ability to get rid of a 3 star wanted level or less. Either way you still unlock the [[Undertaker|following mission]].

 == Tips ==
 * If the plan is to kill Derrick, call Francis right before you are planning to snipe. He will offer a greater [[Money|reward]] for Derrick's death. However, if you are planning to kill Francis, it's still a good trick but doesn't give anything.
 * Be careful not to fall off of the building you snipe from. While the building is low, the player character may still be [[Wasted|killed]] if they fall.

 == Deaths ==
 * [[Francis McReary]], a corrupt cop.

 '''Or''' (depending on [[Niko Bellic|player]]'s choice)

 * [[Derrick McReary]], [[Patrick McReary]]'s brother.

 == Gallery ==

 <gallery>
 Image:Blood Brothers (GTA4) (Derrick calls).jpg|Derrick contacts Niko on the meeting, asking to have Francis killed instead. If the player ignores his first call, Derrick will send a text message instead.
 Image:Blood Brothers (GTA4) (meeting).jpg|The brothers meet as Niko looks on on a rooftop.
 Image:Blood Brothers (GTA4) (aiming).jpg|Taking the shot.
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 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Cloe_Parker&diff=235992 Talk:Cloe Parker 2010-06-23T15:25:13Z
HeadManiac: Well have you, punk!?

who is editing cloe parker you almost erased many peoples hard work and added your own FAKE FACTS and removed essential refrences STOP IT or the page will be deleted
 :Ever heard of the revert function? --[[User:HeadManiac|HeadManiac]] 15:25, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=L.C._Cage_Fighters&diff=207922 L.C. Cage Fighters 2010-06-21T19:22:07Z
HeadManiac: /* Trivia */

[[File:LCcage.JPG|thumb|300px|Two random Fighters]]
 '''Underground Cage Fighting''' is a fighting minigame in [[The Ballad of Gay Tony]]. It is introduced to the player by [[Santo]] during the mission "[[Momma's Boy]]". [[Luis Fernando Lopez|Luis Lopez]] can either compete for $100 or spectate for $50. While spectating, bets can be placed on the winner. Each time the player defeats an opponent, the loser's body stays on the ring, and a new challenger is put in the next round. If Luis loses and is [[wasted|knocked out]], the player is taken to [[Holland Hospital Center]]. Beating all rounds rewards the player with the ''Bear Fight'' [[Achievements in GTA IV#The Ballad of Gay Tony|achievement]]. As the player progresses to the next round, opponents bring [[baseball bat]]s and [[Knife]]s.

 ==Tactics==
 *To easily win the first few rounds, keep your distance. Eventually, your opponent will flex and flip his middle fingers. This is your chance to throw as many punches at him as possible.
 *If you aren't up for a fight, just run straight towards them and push them over and over. If they fall, don't let them get up.
 *When you miss a punch or get too close, the opponent will push you aside, making the player fatigue.
 *If you're quick, you can easily counter a weapon wielding fighter and remove it from their hands.
 *Be very careful when the knife fighters come out. They move very quickly and the stabs do lots of damage.
 *The more health you save, the more chance you have at winning. Try to get the least amount of damage done to you in each round; make good use of dodging and counter-attacks.
 *If you don't have enough health, spectate and it will be regained to full health.
 *Making counters is a easy way to take out a foe in one shot, but isn't recommended when in later levels.
 *If you are in need of money you can save your game and spectate then bet all your money and if you loss you can just load your game and retry this method until your fighter wins. By doing this method you will be awarded the "Half a million" achievement/trophy.

 ==Notes==
 *Each round contains three opponents.
 *At the end of each round, your health is raised by 25%
 *If you quit a game, the club will be closed for a while.
 *When you die, you spawn at the hospital as usual but you don't lose money.

 == Trivia ==
 *There is a reference to [[wp:The Karate Kid|The Karate Kid]] as spectators can be heard screaming "Sweep the leg, Johnny"!
 *There is another reference to the [[wp:Monkey Island (series)|Monkey Island Saga]] as certain fighters taunt you with 'You fight like a cow!', which is a signature phrase in the insult swordfighting.
 *You sometimes hear someone in the crowd yell "two men enter, one man leaves," which is what the crowd chants in [[wp:Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome|Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome]] during the fight scene in the Thunderdome.
 *All of the fighters appear to be right handed since they all use an orthodox stance.
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 [[Category:Side Missions]]
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=PlayStation_3&diff=16345 PlayStation 3 2010-05-30T19:54:44Z
HeadManiac: Officially ALL CAPS

{{wikipedia}}
 [[Image:PS3_02.jpg|thumb|right|220px|A Playstation 3, with a [[SIXAXIS]] wireless controller, and [[PSP]] beside it]]
 The '''PLAYSTATION 3''', or '''PS3''', is Sony's latest gaming console, successor to the [[PlayStation 2]]. It features a hard drive (20GB, 40GB, 60GB, 80GB 120GB, 160GB, or 250GB depending on the model), much improved CPU, easy hard drive expansion, high definition graphics, advanced online gaming capabilities, [[wikipedia:Blu-ray Disc|blu-ray]] media, wireless "[[SIXAXIS]]" or "DUALSHOCK 3" controllers, interaction with a [[PlayStation Portable]] (PSP) system through Wi-Fi and much more. It is also the only current-generation console to offer region-free games.

 ==Games==
 *[[Grand Theft Auto IV]] - April 29, 2008 Worldwide
 *[[Grand Theft Auto: Episodes From Liberty City]] - April 13, 2010 in North America, April 16 in Europe and Oceania
 :*[[The Lost and Damned|Grand Theft Auto: The Lost and Damned]] - April 13, 2010 in North America, April 16 in Europe and Oceania
 :*[[The Ballad of Gay Tony|Grand Theft Auto: The Ballad of Gay Tony]] - April 13, 2010 in North America, April 16 in Europe and Oceania

 [[nl:PLAYSTATION 3]]
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 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Politics&diff=187829 Talk:Politics 2010-05-27T14:05:55Z
HeadManiac:

Do you know why R* made Stubbs nude in this scene. If it was a nude woman they put first they would probably be put under a lot of scrutiny by Mr Thompson, you know him don't you (lol). Anyway, now they have made a nude male, it will allow them to add nude females to the next game and no-one can complain about it being a nude woman as they have already done a nude male. What do you think? --[[User:LuisFernandoLopez|LuisFernandoLopez]] 22:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

 That's true!! I first thought it would not be seen, but BOOM! There it is!! I hope in GTA V or in future GTA games there would be a nude women too!SKAG_"BADMUTHA"_HUNTER 17:39, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

 That's politics for you. [[User:HeadManiac|HeadManiac]] 14:05, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Photo_Shoot/Walkthrough&diff=188534 Photo Shoot/Walkthrough 2010-05-15T20:58:41Z
HeadManiac: Adding another way to complete the mission

Playboy X informs [[Niko]] that he is catching flak on the streets because some punk is accusing him of being a snitch. Playboy wants Niko to take a [[camera|picture]] of the punk so X can confirm that that's him. Use Playboy's [[Patriot]] to get to the basketball courts on Exeter Avenue nearby. After the [[cutscene]], jog over to the hole in the fence. Open the new cell phone and go to the Camera option.

 Take a picture of the nearby goons. Send it to Playboy so he can determine which one is the punk Niko is targeting. Playboy may call you to detail which one is the target or send a text message telling you to take a clearer shot. Follow his instructions; if you receive a text message, retake the picture. If you receive a call, take an weapon and end the punk. He will begin to run if he is not killed quickly. If it helps, kill his goons as well. After the mission, any remaining goons will open fire on you.

 Alternatively you can just kill everybody, on the assumption that one of them must be [[Marlon Bridges|Marlon]].
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 [[Category:Walkthroughs]]
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Community:GTA_IV_Gripes/Police&diff=129427 Community:GTA IV Gripes/Police 2010-05-13T18:17:49Z
HeadManiac:

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 {{Gripe}}Cops manage to shoot your tires out, even if you're going 100mph.
 :{{Rebut}}And they have multiple cops firing lots of bullets to shoot your tires down to stop you from running away.
 ::{{Gripe}}Actually, I was chased by cops and one cop shot my tires out no matter how fast I am going. I think R* must've used an aimbot to stop you from running.
 :::{{Rebut}}Who says it was a gun shot? I have ran over things before that have popped my tires.
 ::::{{Rebut}}Lucky shot? I don't seem to have that problem in my game.
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 {{Gripe}}Somehow, an LCPD Cruiser can keep up with an Infernus that is easily twice as fast. And then they can't keep up with a slow municipal bus.
 :{{Rebut}}They can keep up with an Infernus due to the sheer number of police cruisers. Aren't cops aren't meant to ram the person they are chasing unless under extreme circumstances?
 ::{{Gripe}}But he also mentioned abou tthe [[Bus]] transport vehicle. I mean, how can cops be so sluggish to keep up with a slow moving bus vehicle? Really weird and bad realism.
 :::{{Rebut}}if i understand correctly you're saying "how can the cops keep up with a slow vehicle?" my answer would be: by going ''slow'' :p
 ::::{{Rebut}}Just some statistics for you. The Police Cruiser has a top speed of 194 mph. The Infernus has a top speed of 208 mph. Not twice as fast now is it?
 :::::{{Gripe}} Hey its Ultraussie here, Im just wandering, how come the LCPD Cruiser, which is based off an old Crown Victoria and Chevy Caprice, goes as fast as an Exotic Sportscar? Like, its a sedan with an underpowered V8 under the hood, how come it reaches such an unrealistically high speed? I think the Crown Vic irl would reach maybe 140 MPH at the most...
 ::::::{{Rebut}}Well, maybe the LCPD has had such a problem with street racers they HAVE to modify their cars to go that fast? It may be a possibility, and yet again, it is a video game (By the way, the top speed on a Crown Vic is 135).
 ::::::{{Gripe}}Ultraussie here again, that does kinda make sense, but I say its extremly unrealistic for every single Patrol unit to be modifed like that, and, I dont think the Crown Victoria/Impala would go that fast, even with a modified engine, and also, it would be impratical for fuel usage, a consideration in any Police Fleet..
 :::::::{{Gripe}}IDK, it isnt really noticeable, but its a trivial fact I must question.. BTW the exhaust note of the Police curiser sounds nothing like a killer supercar, so WTF?
 ::::::::{{Rebut}}Well, I was running from the LCPD in a municipal bus on the Plumber's SKyway, through Algonquin all the way to the airport, and all the cruisers crashing into something. the one's that didn't tried running me off the highway. BTW, the cruisers in GTA IV are based on a Chevy IMPALA and Crown Vic.
 :::::::::{{Rebut}}The Police Cruiser can go that fast because it probably has a very low gear ratio, which also explains why the acceleration isn't that great too.
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 {{Gripe}}After you complete the story, you can't call Francis to lose your wanted level at all.
 :{{Rebut}}Francis would only do it once in the story anyway. Besides, there is always Kiki.
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 {{Gripe}}Cops don't deploy spike strips, or utilize special pursuit vehicles for highspeed chases. Nor do they cordon off areas to trap the player.
 :{{Rebut}}They block off the bridges, and send more helicopters after you.
 ::{{Rebut}}They do in fact deploy special pursuit vehicles. If you're getting chased by the [[Police Patrol]], they will then send a [[Police Cruiser]] after you.
 :: [[Rebut]] If you read the GTA IV LCPD article, you would see that the LCPD is "underfunded", therefore unable to afford specialized equipment and vehicles, relying on there patrol cars to take down criminals...jeez...(GTA69)
 [[Rebut]] They can't afford a Bravado Buffalo (Dodge Charger) With underfunding from state and local government. I'm surprised they have so many vehicles and choppers.
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 {{Gripe}}No matter how hard players try to get away from the police's radius, cops seem to spawn near the player's vehicle. Hiding is nearly impossible, even on secluded areas.
 :{{Rebut}}Rockstar, I believe, was trying to make the game more realistic. It's like that in real life, too.
 {{Gripe}}Hey comment number 2 how do you know what it's like in real life? Have you got a little secret?
 ::{{Rebut}}Yes, especially in Star Junction, there are more cops in that area around than others. Plus the police of course dispatches more cop cars around the radius to search for you.
 :::{{Rebut}}Once the chase ends (your stars turn grey and there's no cops immediately near you), you should really pull over to jack another car or get sprayed, especially if you're still well within the wanted area.
 ::::{{Gripe}}The radius is another thing that's irritating. I get in the chopper, and somehow, I can't evade the radius. It stays where it was. Crappy realism, I mean, you evaded the cops, but not the radius? Pathetic.
 :::::{{Rebut}}It would be hard not to notice a helicopter over head, would it? Not, they can still track you if your in a helicopter. There are very few places to hide in the sky.
 ::::::{{Gripe}}Even When your at the end of your Map, The radius Is Still Around You.No Choppers or Boats Around..
 ::::::{{Rebut}} To escape while in a helicopter you can fly very fast and then bail out into water and hope that boats don't find you. You fly far enough to evade a 4 star wanted level but i havn't tried 5 or 6 stars.
 :::::::{{Gripe}}The thing that annoys me about the radius is that it punishes good driving rather than rewards it. If you drive fast through traffic without crashing and get well outside the radius, another cop car appears out of nowhere and you retain your wanted level. Driving slow or crashing near the edge of the radius usually results in losing the wanted level.
 ::::::::{{Rebut}}Of course youll be punished for driving too smoothly as you would be more likely to run into more cops and it make sense, the system actually WANTS you to hide once you get out of the radius, not to drive like hell("Im here come and get me!!!" while complaining about cops chasing you). You should just STOP at the radius edge with your drift break if your skills are so great, instead of crashing there, or if your are so good at driving-- you should probably maintain in high speed while avioding respawned cops."I mean, you evaded the cops, but not the radius? Pathetic." no its not... its not the "radius" will kill you or bust you, its just a area where police will spawn more, that said, you ARE evadind the cops, does that makes no sense? if it isnt making sense for you well,Pathetic...
 :::::::::{{Rebut}} Has anyone ever heard of radar?
 {{Gripe}} What's radar got to do with it?

 {{Rebut}} What do you mean "What's radar got to do with it"? If some police officers SAW you driving North at 150mph don't you think they would tell dispatch to look for a guy going North at 150mph?

 {{Gripe}} GTA4 wanted system is completely lame. Don't use the realism excuse when it's convenient then ignore it when it's not. How realistic is it to pull into a pay and spray just out of a cops view and lose your wanted level? How realistic is it to get out of the wanted zone and have the cops completely forget about you, no matter what crime you committed? The way the cops spawn to cut you off and the how the AI can reach 0-full speed at an instant is just a cheap way to make things "challenging".
 {{Rebut}} I think it is pretty realistic. When you get out of the radius, it isn't like you can't run into other officers on patrol, or on the way to assist. When in a helicopter, people can just look up in any direction and see you, and they know its you, explaining why you can't escape the radius in a heli. Considering all the above comments, I believe the police system is quite realistic.
 *{{Gripe}} My only concern is the lack of higher powers to deal with criminals. I don't think people would endlessly send SWAT-Quality helicopters to deal with a terrorist with an RPG on a building. I would guess that they would start sending in armed forces (i.e: navy, marines). Also, I would expect escaping from a six-star radius wouldn't let up just that fast. Even taking the n-game clock into account, I'm sure the LCPD wouldn't give up a six-star chase after 15 in-game minutes.
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 {{Gripe}}You can't evade or outrun your wanted level in a helicopter.
 :{{Rebut}}It's rather difficult to run away when everybody in the city can see you flying 200 meters up in a helicopter. Don't you think?
 ::{{Rebut}}You can evade and outrun wanted levels when they are low (i.e. 1 or 2 stars) as not as many police are searching for you.
 :::{{Rebut}}There is a way, albeit kind of a cheap one. If you have Playboy X's safe house, you can fly low over the roof and bail out onto the balcony. Then you can run inside and save your game, which should clear your wanted level.
 ::::{{Rebut}} To escape while in a helicopter you can fly very fast and then bail out into water and hope that boats don't find you. You fly far enough to evade a 4 star wanted level but i havn't tried 5 or 6 stars.
 :::::{{Rebut}} Has anyone ever heared of radar?
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 {{Gripe}}Cops somehow manage to stay alive even after multiple gunshots, and their weapons do more damage to the player. They seem to be bullet sponges, and still get up after a full magazine from an AK has been shot into them at medium range.
 :{{Rebut}}Some of them have body armor. As members of a police force they would have superior weapons and training.
 ::{{Gripe}}I don't think beat cops wear body armor, and their weapons are exactly the same as the ones the player can use.
 :::{{Rebut}}NOOSE wear body armor, plus police have had training for years to get great with a pistol, plus they know where to shoot, unlike most players.
 ::::{{Rebut}}I would be indeed surprised if there were any police officer on the street today that aren't wearing kevlar. There's just no excuse in today's society to be without it. I find headshots to be the most painless and effective way to thwart the LCPD.
 :::::{{Gripe}} Niko is a combat veteran whose lived nearly his entire life in a warzone, and served in the military. I THINK he'd have received training.
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 {{Gripe}}Undercover police officers do not appear at 3 wanted star levels or higher.
 :{{Rebut}}There never were undercover police officers. Those seen in casual clothes in previous GTA games were FBI agents.
 ::{{Gripe}}Yes there were. There were casual clothed police clothes equipped with a sort of sub-machine gun in [[GTA VC]] and [[GTA VCS]] driving [[VCPD Cheetah]]s. Also, even if there were never undercover officers before, there's no reason why it couldn't be in "realistic" GTA IV.
 :::{{Rebut}}I don't remember seeing any in the previous games either. Besides, maybe you just haven't come across any?
 ::::{{Gripe}}Pay and Spray has become almost useless. When no cops are around, it's easier to just outrun them. When they are around, you can't spray.
 :::::{{Rebut}}But there's more to a Pay 'n' Spray than losing Wanted Levels. They will change the paint of a car if you don't like it to the color you've driven most, and they will also repair damaged vehicles. It just doesn't make sense for a cop to be right on your tail when you enter a Pay 'n' Spray, only to ignore you when you drive out.
 ::::::{{Gripe}}Even when the cops ignore you, your car does'nt get resprayed to clear wanted levels, so this heavily detracts realism as the cops prevents players from entering the Pay N Spray.
 :::::::{{Rebut}}You try to flee the cops, and you go into a garage right in front of them and they somehow lose you? That is what was taken out of this game, and added more realism. Think a little harder next time about what is and isn't realistic.
 ::::::::{{Rebut}}It's possible to enter a Pay n Spray while you are at the center of the search circle as long as the cops don't see you go into one. This is a lot better than trying to evade the search circle.
 :::::::::{{Gripe}}About the "Undercover Officers"- I know that was originally a joke about the show "Miami Vice". Keeping them around would have been cool. Although the VCPD Cheetah isn't in GTA IV, I think it could easily be replaced with the FIB Buffalo. As for the 80's style officers, I believe that a couple of badass "Jack Bauers" could easily take their place.(Yes, I know that there was no New York Vice, besides a crappy movie, but the idea is still valid.)
 ::::::::::{{Rebut}}Firstly, Jack Bauer is an FBI agent, not a cop. Second, the officers that appeared in VCPD Cheetahs were plainclothes officers, not undercover officers. There is a difference. Third, plainclothes officers going into dangerous situations like that is pretty unrealistic, and GTA IV strives for realism. When you have 3 stars, the police become very agressive, and in GTA IV, their retention of SWAT (NOOSE) arrives and attempts to kill you. It wouldn't make sense for there to be plainclothes officers at scenes like that because in real life, they're not equipped like that.
 :::::::::::{{Gripe}} Jesus, I thought Bauer was CIA, Im just putting down some stereoypes :S But, they couldve had Undercover/Plain Clothes officers patrol the city... And yeah, that is kinda unrealistic having UNderocver cops swarm you on request, but like, IDK, Slicktop Highway patrol cars wouldve been nice... The GTAIV Coquette police version wouldve been awesome, for highway patrol pourposes.
 {{Rebut}} Maybe it will be in GTA:V?
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 {{Gripe}}Those annoying pedestrians keep calling the cops whenever I do one small shove, making it harder to score a few bucks without those boys in blue knowing.
 :{{Rebut}} It's the attempt at realism. If someone came up to you on the street, shoved you and said "Give me all your money", wouldn't you either run or punch them, before calling the cops?
 ::{{Gripe}} No, you give them you money, because you're being mugged, and in real life, people hand over their money in order to AVOID GETTING MURDERED.
 {{Rebut}} But lets say the person either doesn't have money with them, or if the person has the money, they would be scared and would try to run when you point a gun at them, or is going to try to fight you, if you ever have been in a health class you know that the body has a "Fight or Flight" reflex telling you if you should fight off the threat, or run for your life.
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 {{Gripe}}Cops do not initiate a car chase to pursue other criminals, much like in [[GTA San Andreas]], which heavily detracts realism.
 :{{Rebut}} Actually cops do initiate car chases, just not as frequently. Not only can they do that, but they can also arrest unlawful pedestrians and put them in a nearby cop car. GTA IV is more realistic compared to San Andreas, by the way.
 ::{{Gripe}}But I don't see other criminals driving and performing drive-bys to cops while being chased. All they do is peerform foot pursuit and catch a criminal only. This pulls realism away.
 :::{{Rebut}}Cops can stop criminals faster then you think they can, so you are less likely to see a car chase that started in Alderney end in Dukes.
 ::::{{Rebut}}Random car chases happened a bit too frequently in GTA:SA, I think. Plus, quite often police would chase after and gun down unarmed civilians just because they tapped a police car (or, even more ridiculous, were pushed into a police car by another crash, meaning it wasn't even their fault). Scratch a police car's bumper > get shot in the face by its driver? Even an extremely corrupt police force couldn't get away with murdering unarmed minor offenders in broad daylight like that.
 :::::{{Rebut}}Car chases are not that common in New York City, even outside of Manhattan. Whereas in California, they occur once, maybe twice daily.
 ::::::{{Rebut}} They do. I've had my car shunted during a cutscene by a random car chase passing by.
 [[rebut]]Actually, I started a police chase in a Municipal bus going back and forth between the Airport and Plumbers Skyway, I wrecked the bus of the skyway and stole a Perenial and escaped on the East Borough Bridge towards Bohan.
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 {{Gripe}} Criminals no longer carjack vehicles.
 :{{Rebut}}Yes they do.
 ::{{Rebut}} Not true, you can see cars being jacked in parts of Tudor. It's rare, but it happens.
 :::{{Gripe}}Yeah. Completely rare. been in Tudor, stood there and watched. no criminals ever carjack vehicles. Lacks realism.
 ::::{{Rebut}}What if you had an expensive car and some carjackers jacked you? That happened to me in [[GTA III]] and [[GTA Liberty City Stories]] a lot. It was very annoying.
 ::::{{Rebut}} Yes they do. I've watched it happen while I was stopping traffic to do my own carjacking. They broke my lights, as well.
 [[Rebut]] In GTA Vice City, I was in a pizza stack with a Fire Truck outside, some guy stole it. I did watch a guy steal a car in Bohan ONCE.
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 {{Gripe}}Whatever happened to the "good citizen bonus" you got in [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City|GTA:VC]]? It was kinda cool.
 :{{Rebut}}Would a cop in your town really want someone taking the law into their own hands?
 ::{{Rebut}}Unless you can be a good samaritan , taking the law into your own hands IS illegal.
 :::{{Rebut}}On occasion, if you knock over a criminal running from an officer, and he sees it, they will thank you for your help but you receive no monetary reward, just a good feeling.
 [[Rebut]] I watched World's Wildest Police Videos, a few citizens ran after a fleeing car.
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 {{Gripe}}You can't bribe the police to get your weapons back, like in [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories|GTA:VCS]]. Shouldn't that have been put in, it was in a PSP game, so it would be easy to put into a PS3 game
 :{{Rebut}}Remember the Mayor's Crackdown on Firearms? This means all guns are repossessed and taken elsewhere.
 ::{{Gripe}}Isnt the LCPD corrupt?
 :::It's not ''as'' corrupt. The only corrupt cop we know of is Francis McReary. Besides, it would look really suspicious if all these criminals with illegal guns were arrested, yet there were no guns in the evidence room because they had given them back.
 [[Rebut]] the LCPD IS corrupt. just look at patrol officers. a LCPD officers rammed me and I got a wanted level
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 {{Gripe}}You can't earn a special reward right after you kill all criminals appear in the "Wanted List" in each different islands. This means no more earning extra armor protection.
 :{{Rebut}} The reward of kill all criminals in wanted list on each island is the achievement that's enough
 ::{{Gripe}}Too bad you don't earn anything from your PS3 version. A lame effort by R*
 ::::{{Rebut}} I have the PS3 version. The reward is the possibility to gain 100%
 ::::{{Rebut}}Since the PS3 implemented trophies you now get a reward for it.
 :::::{{Gripe}}It would be nice if the game would give you an Armor upgrade for killing all criminalss in the Wanted List from the in-car computer access, not just a trophy.
 {{Gripe}} I give the gripers my support. Who cares about 100% completion anyway? Buying the game, then trying to get 100% on everything? That's just sad.

 {{Rebut}} Many people think 100% completion is the very end of a game, and it GIVES YOU SOMETHING TO DO to make the game longer. People like you won't try to get 100% completion, then complain the game was too short.
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 {{Gripe}}You can't become a cop, and I don't mean steal the police uniform and impersonate one. I mean you can't call 555-RECRUIT and become an actual officer.
 :{{Rebut}}Normal academy training takes a very long time, about 12 weeks average, and requires a lot out of applicants. Niko most likely doesn't have the time to undergo LCPD training. Besides, if you have several arrests, that would disqualify you at the start of your background check. Besides, I think Niko has his reservations about police, coming from Eastern Europe, where most police agencies are corrupt.
 ::{{Rebut}}Isn't that basically what you are, when you accept the vigilante missions? You're a cop without a badge.
 {{Rebut}} Steal a FIB Buffalo, dress in normal street colthes, beat up thugs = Undercover cop.
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 {{Gripe}}There isn't any database about [[Niko Bellic]] in the in-car computer access.
 :{{Rebut}}I think you and Niko both know he's a wanted man. Niko knows what he's done in his past, and I don't think he wants to be reminded of it. If you really want to find out Niko's crimes, you can just go on the in-game internet and go to the LCPD Most Wanted website.
 ::{{Gripe}} There is no such website,the main lcpd website has no links to a most wanted site
 :::{{Rebut}}Yes there is. Search around the site on the in-game internet. There is a most wanted page.
 ::::{{Rebut}} No there isn't. That is the police files on criminals in the game. It shows the status of criminals. If it was a Most Wanted Page, all of the people on it would not be "Deceased" and "In Custody."
 :::::{{Rebut}}On the LCPD website, I believe that at the bottom of the page there will be a dark gray padlock-shaped icon that you can click. This will take you to the LCPD's criminal database, organized alphabetically by last name, where you can check up on most named NPCs in the game, including Niko Bellic. Each report has arrest records (however, Niko's does not update. This would be a pain for the programmers to include, and not enough people may know about it to make it worth it). Also, you should have gotten an email from Francis McReary about the criminal database. Assuming you didn't delete it (at what point he sends it, I forget, but I think it is after you kill Derrick, and you must kill Derrick to receive the email (obviously).
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 {{Gripe}}Shouldn't [[Alderney]] have it's own police department? It is technically "The Independent State of Alderney", so why does the LCPD service Alderney as well as Liberty City?
 :{{Rebut}}Alderney is based off of New Jersey. Would you want be a cop in New Jersey? It's not even really a state. More like a ticking time bomb.
 ::{{Gripe}}In real life, New Jersey has many police departments all over the state. NJ isn't in the NYPD's legal jurisdiction. What's the ticking time bomb about?
 ::{{Rebut}}I was hoping that joke would have lasted a little longer but anyway,R* claims that Aldereney is in the GTA IV area and is part of the story. Cops are the least of their plot hole worries.
 ::::{{Rebut}}This is highly unlikely in real life, but the LCPD and/or its officers' union, if the LCPD has one, may have a contract with the State of Aldereney to extend the LCPD's legal jurisdiction into Aldereney.
 :::::{{Rebut}}If you look closely, the Alderney cops' uniforms bear resemblance to those of the New Jersey State Police (light blue shirt with a black Sam Browne belt, navy trousers with a gold stripe on either side, and a white cap). Also, on their shoulders are yellow triangular patches, which, if you look closely, read "State Police" in blue letters, much like the NJSP's patch. In the many times I've gotten into trouble with the law in Alderney, they sometimes yell "State Police!" before opening fire. -bigpoppa9
 ::::{{Gripe}} Thats kinda underealsitic, because if they are the State Police of Alderney, how come they drive LCPD cars? It wouldnt be too difficult for Rockstar to put in different cars for different areas like in SA, with copcarla, copcarsf, copcarvg, and copcarru, but seriously, its only 2 or 1 extra cars, like if they can include new NPC's and make the effort to record new audio, why cant they make the effort to make a new PJ for a car?
 {{[[Rebut]]}} When I shot up a strip club in Alderney, first to people to show up were State Police. First two cars to show up were LCPD. and in alderney, a State Police Officer is a passenger.
 {{Rebut}} That part of Alderney is part of the Liberty City Metropolitan Area. They wear Alderney State Police uniforms are to show the difference between Liberty State and Alderney, but they drive LCPD cars to show that they're still in the Liberty City metropolitan area.

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 {{Gripe}}If hot dogs and chicken give us health, then why do we have hospitals with trained doctors, why not just drag the guy to a vender?
 :{{Rebut}}You cannot give a dead man food. A person can eat food when the person is alive. If you were a doctor, would you drag a dead guy to a vending machine, and stuff a bag of chips in his mouth?
 ::{{Rebut}}What does that have to do with cops?
 :::{{Rebut}} LOL. Sorry, but when i saw this gripe I started cracking up.
 ::::{{Rebut}} HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Nice one, first rebut. Cracking up, too XD
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 {{Gripe}}If you have 2 or more stars whilst outside your safehouse, cops will take whatever cars are in your parking space to chase after you in, causing them to disappear.
 :{{Rebut}}It's called requisition, meaning cops will take your car to chase after a criminal. If you don't want the cops to steal your car so bad, DON'T DESTROY THEIRS!
 ::{{Rebut}}I gripe about GTA IV all the time but, I've never once encountered this.But think about it.The LCPD is a corrupt force of greedy cops. If Stealing your cars helps them get paid, they'd do it. It's a corrupt city and it besides, you could go find another.
 :::{{Rebut}}Ever see the movie "US Marshals"? They take a car in that movie when they're going after Mark Warren in New York City. Same thing in the first "Rush Hour" movie when Chris Tucker is going after Jackie Chan on a "borrowed" motorcycle. It's called requisition. They give the car back when they're done using it. They don't steal it or impound it. Even the LCPD wouldn't do that. See those movies before you say that the police steal cars.
 {{Gripe}} It is stupid to see the cops knick a car. I wasn't even being chased and a cop hot wired a parked car that wasn't mine. He just hot wired the car and rode off. Bloody stupid.
 {{Rebut}} I suppose if they knew that the cars belonged to you, they would take them but only in an extreme circumstances. I mean....

 {{Gripe}}.. Its illegal for cops to drive in unmarked vehcihles at high speed without Lights and Siren on right?

 {{Rebut}} It is legal for officers of the law to comandeer a civilian vehicle if necessary.

 {{[[Rebut]]}} I had LCPD/NOOSE vehicles in my parking spot in Bohan, some guy was arrested and they stole my vehicle. I they go after m NOOSE Cruiser, I take the criminal and the car!

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 {{Gripe}}How come that when you get arrested, you can't get your vehicle back, like in San Andreas?
 :{{Rebut}}maybe in liberty city you could not get your vehicle back
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 {{Gripe}}If you run away from the cops they shoot at you, even if you don't have a gun. Killing people just because they freak out is illegal
 :{{Rebut}}Actually, they hold their fire when you're at one star, unless you start assaulting them.
 ::{{Rebut}}Niko isn't just some criminal. The cops know who he is (I've heard them yelling his name and the like). This probably explains why he gets arrested for minor violations like bumping into a police car (which, if light, seems like something that would only be a ticket). Therefore, if he tries to resist arrest, the police are allowed to shoot at him. They don't really become extremely aggressive until 3 or 4 stars (though when you get up there they really want you dead, to the point where getting arrested is next to impossible).
 :::{{Gripe}}The cops don't know Niko's name. I've gotten into hundreds of chases and no one's ever called his name.
 ::::{{Gripe}}No, cops don't know who Niko is, even when you kill them whenever it is mission-based, so how do you supposed that cops have the right to shoot at Niko, just because he freaks out? Degraded realism, that is.
 :::::{{Rebut}}It's not "freaking out", it's resisting arrest. Resisting arrest gets you two stars, and above one stars cops shoot at you.
 {{[[Gripe]]}} Not true, I had a pistol out on one star, they shot to kill!
 ::::::{{Gripe}}Cops are not supposed to shoot at the unarmed player just because the player is unarmed. That's unrealistic, because that's "police brutality" gone wrong.
 {{Rebut}} Just remember that Niko HAS a rap sheet the cops know he was in the army, so they probably know he can be dangrous.
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 {{Gripe}}Policemen sometimes shoot and kill security guards.
 :{{Rebut}}A misfiring maybe? Nobody's perfect.
 ::{{Gripe}} No, he purposely killed a guard for shooting me.
 :::{{Rebut}}Wait, what kind of security guards have a gun in the first place, unless they're the Secret Service or something? Some security guards do not have the authority to kill civilians, even if they are committing a crime. That's the police department's job.
 ::::{{Gripe}}Do a Google search on 'armed security guard' to see what a common job it is before you go calling someone else up on ignorance.
 :::::{{Rebut}} I think its because the game confuses the guards for regular pedestrian. It happens to me all the time. Hope this helps!
 ::::::{{Gripe}}No, it did'nt help at all. Cops always mistake security guards for a gang member, and the security guard always attempts to shoot me on purpose, just to get the cops/other gangs attention. That's another unrealistic attempt by Rockstar Games.
 :::::::{{Rebut}}In the eyes of in-game cops, there's no difference between a gang member and a security guard. They only classify people as fellow cops, civilians or civilians with guns.
 [[rebut]] I sometimes do it for fun at the airport, at the unrestricted Fuel Section at the south end. I shoot a gun and put the No wanted Lvl Cheat in. and I get out and hide behind my car until the LCPD kills him and as long as you don't fight back and the cops see it, they will kill them for you.
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 {{Gripe}} Pointing a gun at a civilian near a police officer merits no response! I can't believe that he would just stand around like that.
 :{{Rebut}}Would you want to get in the way and get shot? No. No you wouldn't.
 ::{{Gripe}} But that's his job! Damn corrupt cops......
 :::{{Rebut}}Cops ignore lots of things, like moving violations (running red lights, speeding, driving in an oncoming traffic lane, the list goes on), trespassing, being in a stolen cop car (since they will give you the 1 star if you hit them, they clearly know you aren't a cop), etc. Those oversights aren't ignorance or mistakes, they are just there because it would really break the game if every time you ran a red light you got a 1-star wanted rating. For that matter, 1-star ratings are easy enough to get out of that it's really not a big deal to have one anyway.
 :::{{Rebut}}If you shot the person, or aimed the gun at the cop, then he would take notice.
 ::::{{Rebut}}If you would get chased by the police by speeding or driving through red lights, you would complain that they do that.Why dont you be happy that they wont give a chase about it?
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 {{Gripe}} Why is it that Niko can resist arrest on foot, but if he is pulled out of a car, he has to surrender? Why I can't I just shoot, and possibly kill, the cop trying to jack me to evade capture, at the expense of a 3-star wanted level, if I'm not already at or above said wanted level?
 :{{Rebut}}Usually after a high speed chase, there are multiple officers surrounding your vehicle, and when pulled out of your car, you are basically thrown to the pavement if you try to fight, and the cuffs go on immediately, which means the fight's over. Cops win.
 ::{{Rebut}}I came to the conclusion that the cop would see you reaching for the door handle or off of the steering wheel and kill you before you could make your move.
 :::{{Gripe}} If what you're saying is true, then why don't the cops kill you when they see you getting up off your knees after they hold you up at gunpoint when your on foot?
 {{Gripe}} Why can't you just lock the dang doors!

 {{Rebut}} 1st if the cops are shooting at you ONLY IF YOU TRY TO RUN. 2nd lockable doors should go on the GTA:V Wishlist, or [[GTA:IV Vehicle Gripes]]
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 {{Gripe}}You cannot perform a hand-to-hand combat against an officer. Niko is forced to raise his hands up at gunpoint, thus halting the combat engagement. Also, if you shoot an officer, you'd end up havin a 3-star wanted level and will have the cop cars swarm in on you.
 :{{Rebut}}Seems realistic to me. If you start beating up an officer he will try to escape and he'll pull a gun on you. Also, if you try to kill a police officer in real life, don't you think police would be swarming in around you?
 ::{{Gripe}}In all GTA3 era cames you could enage Hand-To-Hand with everyone, including cops. Vice City onwards they would pull out a Nightstick. (And that seems pretty realistic, cops are armed with non-lethal weapons to protect themselves without unessacary use of deadly force). However, in GTAIV, they pull the gun on you. (Seems realistic if Liberty City was part of a Dictated country, but in a Democratic modern America?).
 {{Rebut}} In most Police Academies they'll tell you if your feeling threatened, to pull your gun out. And in real life if you punched a cop, he wouldn't just start beating you with his night stick.
 {{Gripe}} In real life that would be considered over use of force, and the police would actually be punished for it.
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 {{Gripe}}Police no longer throw down stinger strips.
 :{{Rebut}}Cops try to shoot your tires out instead. It is impractical for LCPD to lay down spike strips because the roadways of Liberty City, much like its real-life analogue, are typically filled with too much slow-moving traffic.
 ::{{Gripe}}Are you seriously suggesting that it's more practical to fire wildly at a fleeing vehicle and chance hitting innocents than it is to lay down a spike strip.
 :::{{Rebut}}First off, cops don't shoot their guns all willy-nilly like a dumb criminal. Cops hold their fire unless they can get a shot. Secondly, to shoot out tires, cops aim low at the car to disable it. Thirdly, half the time, spike strips fail to do their job because the criminal will attempt to evade the strip.
 ::::{{Gripe}}Very unlikely. Whenever you have 4-6 wanted star levels, you come across the next borough, and the NOOSE team are aiming at you, and then when you get close, they just fire at you like no tommorow, not bothering to hold their fire nor do they care whenever civilians get hurt. That's a failed realism into a whole new level.
 ::::{{Gripe}}Also, when cops lay down Stinger strips, they very often pop tires on a cop car thta is chasing the criminals car, which is just putting 2 more cops out of the chase.
 ::::{{Rebut}}When the NOOSE teams open fire near the bridges, there are never any civilians around. Also, there is no point to laying down a Stinger strip on main roads where there are 5 or 6 lanes of traffic so you can get around it easily.
 :::::{{Gripe}}Yet the NOOSE teams are ''completely'' unaware that Niko is holding the passengers hostage and the NOSSE kills the passengers anyways.
 {{Rebut}} Sometimes they can't help where the bullets go...
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 {{Gripe}}When cops arrest a criminal, they point the gun at him, 5seconds later the criminal will run away, trying to escape
 The cop doesn't do a thing, only chase it, at the same speed when Niko is running when pointing a gun-> SLOW.
 :{{Rebut}}And other times, if a cop car is nearby, the criminal will be escorted to the car, and get in the back seat. I had a Police Stockade (obtained using cheats in the mission "Tunnel of Death") parked outside my Bohan safehouse, and when a cop arrested someone, the criminal climbed in the back seat of the truck (only to run away after I got in to drive).

 [[rebut|{{Rebut}]]} on the bridge towards bohan, I was in a Police Vehicle. I called backup and 2 cops were run over by a car, one was dead. the cop would've been sprinting after the guy when he started running for Vehiclular Homicide and Attempted Vehiclular Homicide
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 {{Gripe}}There's no army. They were a fun addition, especially the tanks. WTF
 :{{Rebut}}First off, there are no major army bases in or near New York City. Second, it would be very unrealistic for one man to go into an army base, kill all of the guards, and steal a tank. Also, the army wouldn't go after a single man.
 ::{{Gripe}}Well, what if that one man was acting like or was a terrorist, huh? The army have to come.
 :::{{Rebut}}Actually, to be technical about it, the US Army is not allowed to take action upon US soil. Period. However, the US National Guard DOES have the ability to be deployed within the US. Although, mobilizing so many national guard troops is expensive and time consuming. And a tank would be pretty hard to get through gridlocked city streets, without alot of damage being done. So why not use the local SWAT (NOOSE) teams (who can be ready at nearly a moment's notice) who have pretty good firepower and training, and almost certainly cost less than mobilizing the National Guard? Sure, you may be a terrorist, but I am unsure they would send in the National Guard to take down one single terrorist. They send in SWAT teams to deal with bank robberies, hostage situations, etc. in real life, and with LC's apparent paranoia that almost everyone is a terrorist (especially a foreigner), why would the SWAT teams NOT be trained to handle terrorist situations. Also, at a certain point, the FBI comes after you, which is pretty big in itself as law enforcement. The Feds usually stay out of car chases/dangerous criminal situations unless they are needed.
 ::::{{Gripe}}I know GTA 4 was meant to be realistic, but it's a video game. It's not completely real. Besides, what if the army visited Liberty City and they brought a tank?
 ::::{{Rebut}}Did you actually listen to the things he said? You are saying the same thing over and over again. I personally think that the Army wouldn't fit at all in Liberty City so i'm glad that they replaced them with the NOOSE.
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 {{Gripe}}Run a red light, smash into other cars, cops don't care. But try to cross a toll bridge without paying and the TOLL BOOTH GUY HIMSELF pulls out a gun at starts shooting, and the cops appear too!
 :{{Rebut}}For one, the guy in the toll booth is a cop. Secondly, no matter how unrealistic it may be, if you got a wanted level EVERY TIME you went 150 mph on the roads, or ran a red light, or hit someone's car (other than a cop car), then the game would be little fun because the cops would CONSTANTLY be after you. And the costs to the game engine would be pretty harsh, too. However, going straight through a tollbooth without paying is certainly going to attract attention, and it is alot harder to accidentally speed through a traffic light or hit a civilian car than it is to smash through the gate of a tollbooth without paying. Granted, the system should be fixed so that if you already paid the toll, and THEN go through the gate before it has been lifted, you shouldn't get the wanted level for it. Also, simple solution: drive a cop car/ambulance/fire truck/FIB Buffalo/other emergency vehicle through the toll booth. You need not pay, and if you smash right through at full speed, they don't care. Even if you kill all of the passengers in the lined up cars when you hit them.
 :{{Rebut}}As stated in the game manual, you only gain a wanted level for something if a cop sees you do it. You will always get a wanted level at tollbooths because they are run by cops.
 {{Rebut}} Come on, guys. If you were manning a tollbooth, and a criminal in an Infernus smashed through past you, wouldn't you look twice?
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 {{Gripe}}I didnt know if this would go under the vehicles gripe or this one, and its only a minor nitpick, but you cant turn on the police cars spotlight. It would be helpful to see in the fog or in a police chase at night.
 :{{Rebut}}Hi-beams.
 ::{{Gripe}} He meant the SPOTLIGHT, not Highbeams. The spotlight is specifically designed for illuminating something at night while doing something like a traffic stop, attending to a car crash, finding a suspect etc...
 :::{{Rebut}}He meant you can use hi-beams as a substitute to the spotlight.
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 :{{Gripe}} Ultraussie here.In all GTA3 era cames you could enage Hand-To-Hand with everyone, including cops. Vice City onwards they would pull out a Nightstick. (And that seems pretty realistic, cops are armed with non-lethal weapons to protect themselves without unessacary use of deadly force). However, in GTAIV, they pull the gun on you. (Seems realistic if Liberty City was part of a Dictated country, but in a Democratic modern America?).
 And if you run you get 2 stars D:<
 It wouldve been very simple for R* to implement a simple Nightsick melle weapon for them to use instead at low wanted levels.
 And In the leadup to GTAIV I was expecting new ones like Tasers (It was actually in Vice City's Beta and used by the PIGs) and Pepper Spray, but R* reverted back to a GTA3 like situation: Corrupt Underarmed cops that shoot like cowboys.
 LOL in Gta3 they shoot the guns with 1 hand and in IV they shoot to kill even for the smallest of incidences...

 {{Rebut}} You copy-pasted someone elses gripe, you broke GTA-Wiki's Number 1 Rule!
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 {{Gripe}}I'm walking down the street minding my own business, a cop runs past, trips over me, gets hurt, and what do you know? I got a wanted level all the sudden. This is so annoying, I mean I know he's a cop but does he have to be such a bastard about it? just go on and get that crook you were chasing.
 :{{Rebut}}Cops ARE bastards. Thats somthing you gotta learn in life.
 :{{Rebut}}Cops are not bastards there in gta they are a fun part of gameplay and his talking the ingame not real life unless your talking about the gardie here in [[Ireland]] i accept that.
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 {{Gripe}}When the police shoot you dead, they frequently don't stop at 'dead' and continue to pump rounds into Niko's corpse long after the slo-mo-black+white camera kicks in
 :{{Rebut}}Ever hear the story about the suspect shot 68 times? When questioned on why so many, the sheriff said, "That's all the ammo we had."
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 {{Gripe}}It would have been cool to see unmarked police cruisers patrolling around the city. And I don't mean FBI people, but LCPD people in unmarked versions of the Police Cruiser/Patrol driving around (with minor things such as mirror lights to differentiate them from civilian versions), being all incognito and stuff.
 :{{rebut}}When I surrendered once in a 2 star wanted level in Alderney, an LCPD officer moved in on me and the Alderney State police kept firing clips of 9mm Ammo.
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 {{Gripe}}When you exit a police vehicle a random cop (who had no vehicle to begin with) who just arrested someone will put the criminal in your car and drive away. For example, I escaped from a 5* wanted level with an enforcer (with no cheats), got out to eat a hotdog then turned around to see a random cop putting a criminal in the back and starting to drive away {{Rebut}} but for some reason i could jack him and he acted like a regular civilian and ran away
 :{{rebut}} that happened to me a few times in Bohan, I had a NOOSE Patriot in my spot, an LCPD officer ran off with it down the street, If you see it happening, get in the car before the cop.
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 {{Gripe}}If the player sees a police officer chasing a thug and you harm the thug or punch him or whatever, the police arrest ''you!'' This happened at the [[South Bohan Safehouse|Bohan hideout]].
 :{{Rebut}} While this does seem unrealistic, most cities/towns etc., don't encourage vigilante behavior. And usually, if you watch long enough, they will arrest the thug, therefore your fire would have killed their arrested citizen, and more bodies means more paperwork.
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 {{Gripe}}Brucie says police are outsourcing arrests to "private contracters", yet you still need a police computer to access the database. If they really were outsoucring, shouldn't the database be available to use without police equipment, such as via cellphone or computer.
 :{{rebut}}I harmed a Murderer on the highway (He ran from the cops before being arrested for Vehicular Homicide) the same cop and Toll Booth guys chased me!
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 {{Gripe}}Firing on cops with the APC's main gun merits no response...even when their car is destroyed and they're killed.
 :{{Rebut}}They merit no response because they're trying to get the hell out of there before they get killed, since their guns have no chance against an [[APC]].
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 {{Gripe}} Cops chase you for the stupidst reasons and they are much harder to escape from.

 {{Rebut}} They are easy to escape from. I don't see how this is a valid gripe.

 {{Gripe}} They may be easy to escape from for you, and occasioanlly they are easy to escape. But it's annoying how they chase you for the stupidest reason like, I was driving along the road minding my own business then a cop car just randonly touches me not even hard, a slight tap, then i get a wanted level, it's rediculous, IT'S HIS FAULT HE HIT ME, NOT MINE.

 {{Rebut}} It's been that way in every GTA game. If it happens, and you get a one-star, don't fight them, just try and outrun them. You can lose them in alleys, side streets, and even subway tunnels if necessary.

 {{Gripe}} They wher just as annoying i'll admit that, but somehow I was driving like 150 mph down the Algonquin Bridge and slamed into a Police car and sent it flying and yet I got away with that. WTF? it makes no sense

 {{Rebut}} I'd call that a glitch...
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 {{Gripethis gripe is kind of like the sercurity guard but one time i was attacked by a hotdgog guy and a cop saw it and shot at him rather then arrest him his only an unarmed civilian thats defending his property did R* put this in as a jokie}er or something cause its kind of funny or is it just a gitch but its heaviy unreaistic if i was a cop and i saw a hotdog guy attacking someone i arrrest him not open fire at a defenseless person.
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 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Electrictit.com&diff=179244 Electrictit.com 2010-05-09T15:20:27Z
HeadManiac: True.

'''www.electrictit.com''' is a [[Websites in GTA IV|website]] featured on the in-game [[Internet in GTA IV|Internet]] in [[Grand Theft Auto IV]]. It is a video sharing site and a parody of [[wikipedia:YouTube|YouTube]]. Just like on the real YouTube all of the videos on the site are "removed due to inappropriate content", and therefore not available to the player. The player can, however, read comments left by other users.

 The website states that they were being sued by [[MeTV]] for copyright claims on certain videos. This mimics the lawsuits, in real life, between Viacom and Youtube. Viacom also owns MTV, which MeTV is a parody of.

 [[Alexandra Chilton]] apparently wanted to put a home-taped sex video she made of herself and [[Niko]] on this website, but is waiting to find the right music to go to it.
 [[Category:Websites]]
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Three_Leaf_Clover&diff=188805 Talk:Three Leaf Clover 2010-05-02T22:03:43Z
HeadManiac: Wha?

Isn't the reward $300,000 instead $250,000?([[User:Stebner603|Stebner603]] 00:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC))

 :I'm pretty sure that it's $250,000, at least that's what I got for it. Did you get a different amount or something?--[[User:LuisFernandoLopez|LuisFernandoLopez]] 12:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

 I'm almost positive I got $300,000 but I'll check again, I just don't have a save near that mission though so it'll be a little while before i confirm it ([[User:Stebner603|Stebner603]] 01:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC))

 :Did that 2nd guy get killed? i'm sorry, I forget his name... But one of Packie's mates gets killed inside the bank during the cutscene, and it's possible for the other random guy to get wasted by the cops outside. Maybe if he gets killed you get $300,000 as opposed to $250,000?--[[User:HuDaFuK|HuDaFuK]] 11:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

 ::No, the other (third guy) is [[Derrick McReary]], Packie's brother and if he dies then the mission fails. And since he has missions of his own later on in the game, it can't be possible. Hey, HuDaFuK, can I just ask if you've played the game, just cause it seems as though you don't. --[[User:LuisFernandoLopez|LuisFernandoLopez]] 22:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

 :Sorry, you're right. I have played GTAIV, but I think I got confused with the bank job mission in Vice City. it's possible for one of the guys to get killed in that and I think it affects your reward money.--[[User:HuDaFuK|HuDaFuK]] 10:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 ::It's ok, everyone sometimes messes up. But we've still not found out whether it's $300 000 or $250 000. lol --[[User:LuisFernandoLopez|LuisFernandoLopez]] 10:43, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 :Can't help you there I'm afraid, my only save file's at 100% and I can't really be bothered to start a whole new game!--[[User:HuDaFuK|HuDaFuK]] 13:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 I'm pretty sure it is 250,000, usually by the time I do that mission I have around 77,000, after the mission I have 320,000 or so.--[[User:DeLMrcs|DeLMrcs]] 13:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 :That's ok, I'm already relpaying the game anyway, but remember to indent guys (but after five start again), thanks for you rhelp anyway. --[[User:LuisFernandoLopez|LuisFernandoLopez]] 13:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 It's $250,000. I just played this mission last night. Additionally, the Internet news sites in the game state that "in excess of half a million dollars was stolen." [[User:Excalibur5033|Excalibur5033]] 09:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

 == It should probably be noted... ==

 ...that this mission more or less effectively ends any cash problems that the player may have had up to this point. After I did this mission I was never in any financial trouble ever again, and I bought rocket launchers, grenades, and got 'Wasted' with impunity.--[[User:Feldschlacht IV|Doop.]] 00:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

 :Uhhhh... Who really cares? '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' 08:40, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

 Oh, my bad, I thought this was a wiki, you know, a site that compiles relevant information about a subject, in this case, the GTA series. I guess I must be in the wrong place! My bad! Can someone point me to a GTA wiki that doesn't dismiss suggestions as 'Who really cares'? --[[User:Feldschlacht IV|Doop.]] 23:07, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

 == It's $250,000 ==

 It's deffinatly, $250,000
 They rob 1 million, and each man gets $250gs each, Niko, Packie, Derrick, and St. Micheal's family. Look closely when you play the misson.[[User:Grand Theft AJ|Grand Theft AJ]] 22:15, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

 == Guys? ==
 Isn't it sort of weird that the third island gets unlocked after this mission even though it got closed in the first place for terrorist activities? [[User:HeadManiac|HeadManiac]] 22:03, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Cheats_in_GTA_IV&diff=107704 Talk:Cheats in GTA IV 2010-04-26T18:54:26Z
HeadManiac: /* Achievement */

I love the graphics of the game, the story line is good. The thing is, there is no multiplayer like in San Andreas..and where is the jet pack? Also, where is Lola?? Shes on the cover and used to promote the game. I wish they would redo San Andreas for PS3 and use the graphics like they did in this one. I love Niko but I love my CJ also.
 :Please use talk pages to discuss the subject articles, which for this is Cheats in GTA IV. This is ''not'' a forum, but we do have one at [[Forum:Index]], where you can ask questions and post your opinions about the series. Also, please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes (~). [[User:A-Dust|A-Dust]] 17:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

 == Retail values ==

 I think the gamer who posted the pawn price of the SuperGT was a bit wrong. I personally have pawned supergts in perfect condition and in that condition they sell for 11000. Whoever posted the 8000 dollar price must have first crashed it several times before pawning it.

 == 100% ==

 I know that in past games that using cheats makes it impossible to receive [[100%]], however, all i've ever heard about [[cheats]] in [[GTA IV]] is that they block achievements. Well I have the [[PS3]] version which doesn't support achievements anyway, so, is it possible to get 100% if I use cheats? I want to know because I want to start the main story again (I have beaten both the Deal and Revenge storylines) but this time I want to get 100%, if I can't I will '''try''' not to cheat. LOL. '''[[user:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[user talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 07:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 :I have started again, and I'm not using cheats. Even if it doesn't effect the 100%, Let me tell you, it feels good to know that I've gotten as far as I have in a honest way. '''[[user:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[user talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 03:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

 == Cheats? ==

 Can these affect in the PS3 version as well? [[User:Captain Seven-Twenty|Captain Seven-Twenty]] 19:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

 ==Move==
 If you look on the [[cheats]] page (which links to the cheat pages for individual games), all pages except the one for [[GTA IV]] (this one) are in the format of [[GTA IV Cheats]] rather than [[Cheats in GTA IV]]. I think that there is a [[grand theft wiki:Consistency|Consistency]] issue here. Thoughts? '''[[user:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[user talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 09:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 :You are mostly correct. Everything should be in the format '''X in Y'''. However, titles such as '''PlayStation 2 Cheats in GTA Liberty City Stories''' are massive, and anything we can do to shorten them is worth doing. Any suggestions? [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] [[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]] 13:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 ::Wait, so your saying to move all the other pages to this format? In that case, [[Cheats in GTA Liberty City Stories (PS2)]] should be fine, as that's how they are already formatted (the (PS2) part at the end), or to shorten it dramatically [[Cheats in GTA LCS (PS2)]], but I strongly vote against that one as it has an in-obvious name and might be hard to find. My idea was just move this page to [[GTA IV Cheats]] for the consistency of the others (that's why I posted it here), but now I can see you point of the '''X in Y''' as things like [[Missions in GTA IV]] are like that. Well, does anyone like any of my ideas above? '''[[user:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[user talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 23:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

 ==Islands?==
 Is there no way to unlock the other islands via cheats? --[[User:Darkhand|Darkhand]] 01:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 :No, you have to unlock them through missions. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 01:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 ::If you have the [[PC]] version, you could download a completed save game, such as [http://www.thegtaplace.com/downloads/category.php?id=69 these]. Also, I'm not sure if playing multiplayer grants you access to the places you haven't unlocked yet. [[w:c:gta:User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] [[:w:c:gta:User_talk:Gboyers|talk]] 20:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 :::Multiplayer (at least on console version) unlocks the islands for the multiplayer game, but not permanently. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 00:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

 == Achievement ==
 Hey, I've been using cheats since I already finished the main story months ago, so today I was having fun in good ol' Liberty City and I unlocked "Finish Him" How can that be possible if the health cheat blocks this achievement?
 :Are you playing on the PS3? Because if you are, I think I've read somewhere that you can get the achievement after you've reloaded your save. [[User:HeadManiac|HeadManiac]] 18:54, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

 ==Jetmax==

 I have tested the Jetmax for the garage (spawn), and it gives a message that you can't sell this vehicle. - [[User:Redmess|Redmess]] 14:09, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Kiki_Jenkins&diff=157891 Talk:Kiki Jenkins 2010-04-20T09:52:51Z
HeadManiac:

==Dates for benefits==
 I think there is also a requirement for obtaining Kiki's benefits regarding either the number of total dates of the number of successful dates. My relationship status with Kiki was at 100% for quite a while before she called to let me know the benefit was available. Anyone else notice this? --[[:w:c:gta:User:GuildKnight|GuildKnight]][[:w:c:gta:User_talk:GuildKnight|Talk2me]] 02:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

 Did you try your luck with her? [[User:Gtagtagta|Gtagtagta]] 10:52, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

 ==Glitch?==
 Has anybody gotten a glitch where Kiki just won't stop messaging you? She kept giving me the usual messages about not seeing her and such, right after a date with her. My fondness with her is 100%, and the messaging didn't stop at night, or early morning, and when i called she said we couldn't actually GO on a date, because we'd just gone on one... (About 3 in-game days later lol). Just wanted to know if anybody else has had it? [[User:Ess-Tee|Ess-Tee]] 07:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 :I did, at first she told me something about stopping with the cheap wimmins and take her on a date, even though I have never picked up a prostitute or went to a strip club after I started dating her. Anyways, I was actually just going to my appartment to switch clothes for the new date. So I called her and then she said it was too recent. After this I just went out while doing random stuff and she sent me another message saying she needs to speak to me and stuff, I called her and she still didn't want to go. Weird :/ [[User:HeadManiac|HeadManiac]] 09:52, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

 == I actually encountered Kiki WAAAAY before I even dated her. ==

 No lie. I was near the Alderney safehouse, when I saw a black Feroci with 3 passengers in it. There were no other cars around, so I decided to jack it. I then noticed that the 3rd passenger in the backseat was, or looked very similar, to Kiki Jenkins. She had on that signature red scarf and black coat, like the one she has on her profile pic.

 I'm going to add a "Trivia" section in the article and mention that some pedestrians look like her.

 :Ok yeah, it's not actually her, I've encountered this pedestrian a few times, and at first I thought it was her too, just make sure that's said in the Trivia section. [[User:Ess-Tee|Ess-Tee]] 07:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

 == Can't Date?? ==

 Yea I've been dating her for a while, and for some reason I can no longer call her. I try to call her but it goes to voicemail. This is the same for if I try to dump her and if I request that Wanted Level thing. Did I accidentally dump her or is this just a glitch. Cause I'm a little worried. --[[User:TheLost~JohnnyKlebitz|TheLost~JohnnyKlebitz]] 03:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 The same thing happened to me once. I was doing the mission [[The Snow Storm]] and kept on failing until like the 3rd time. I finished the mission, finally and made Niko go to sleep. A while after I woke up I got a text message from Kiki saying she couldn't be with me anymore. I reloaded and tried to date her but it went to voice mail, I tried to dump her before she txted me but it kept on going to voice mail. Pissed, I reloaded back to before I did [[The Snow Storm]] and went on a date with her and finished the mission. But I heard you can wait like a week and she will appear back on Love meet.net. --[[User:Gtagtagta|Gtagtagta]] 10:59, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

 == Disappeared Completly? ==

 After completing the storyline, I was going to start dating Kiki, and received an email setting a date to 12:00 on monday, but it was already 21:00 monday when I saw it. Some time after I received an email from her complaining that I didn't show up, and I never saw her again in love-meet. Does anyone think she will be there again or she just disappeared completly from the game?

 Wait a week or two, I think she'll reappear. --[[User:Gtagtagta|Gtagtagta]] 11:00, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

 == Scaired her away ==

 I was dating Kiki for a while. Then after our 10th or so date taking her back to her house on a NRG 900 and crashed, scaring her. A few (in game) hours later I got a text saying that she was dumping me. Also her likeness of me was at 35% after being 100%. Has this happened to anybody else?
 --[[User:Dc118|Dc118]] 02:20, November 5, 2009 (UTC)(9:20pm EST)

 If you crash on a bike and she gets scared her likeness and fondness will drop dramatically. --[[User:Gtagtagta|Gtagtagta]] 11:02, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Mallorie_Bardas&diff=91267 Mallorie Bardas 2010-04-18T21:05:44Z
HeadManiac: An boy? Seriously?

{{infobox character
 |name = Mallorie Bardas-Bellic
 |aka = Mal
 |image = MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg
 |caption = Mallorie in [[Grand Theft Auto IV]] ([[2008]]).
 |games = [[Grand Theft Auto IV]]
[[TLAD|GTA: The Lost and Damned]] (Mentioned)
 |gender = F
 |dob = 1979
 |pob = [[wikipedia:Puerto Rico|Puerto Rico]]
 |home = [[Liberty City in GTA IV Era|Liberty City]]
 |nationality = [[wikipedia:Puerto Rico|Puerto Rican]]
 |family = [[Roman Bellic]] (husband)
Unnamed child
[[Niko Bellic]] (cousin-in-law)
 |vehicles = Unknown
 |voice = [[Elena Hurst]]
 }}
 '''Mallorie Bardas-Bellic''' is a character in Grand Theft Auto IV. She is the twenty-eight year old girlfriend and, later, fiancée and wife, of [[Roman Bellic]]. She is voiced by Elena Harvey Hurst.

 ==Description==
 Mallorie was born in Puerto Rico, later moving to [[South Bohan]], [[Bohan]], [[Liberty City in GTA IV|Liberty City]], occasionally working as a [[Escuela of the Streets|dancer]] for [[Manny Escuela]] in South Bohan, as well as an employee for Roman at his taxi depot in [[Hove Beach]]. Mallorie has been arrested on two occasions: in [[1998]] for joyriding and in [[2002]] for being in possession of a controlled substance (namely marijuana).

 === GTA IV ===
 [[File:MallorieBardas-Artwork.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Promotional artwork featuring Mallorie Bardas presumably on a date with [[Vladimir Glebov]].]]
 In [[2008]] (the setting of [[Grand Theft Auto IV]]), Roman's cousin [[Niko Bellic|Niko]] discovers that she is having an affair with [[Vladimir Glebov]]. Although Niko warns Vlad multiple times to stay away from her, Vlad blows off the threats. Eventually Roman sees Vlad's car parked outside of Mallorie's place and puts two and two together. Roman goes to Niko for support, but when Niko reveals that he had suspicions of the affair, it only makes Roman feel more upset and betrayed. Feeling bad about not informing Roman or doing more to stop the affair, Niko decides that it's time to deal with Vlad once and for all, and the cousins head to [[Comrades Bar|Comrades]] to put a final end to both Vlad and the affair. Although at the time Roman seems to want a peaceful solution to the problem and calls Niko a "hot headed chump" after he puts a bullet in Vlad's eye; later in the game he tells Mallorie that it was him, not Niko, that killed Vlad in a jealous fit of rage.

 Later in the game after Dimitri has Roman's taxi depot and apartment destroyed, Mallorie's cousin allows Roman and Niko to stay at their flat in South Bohan. Mallorie introduces Niko to [[Manny Escuela]] and [[Elizabeta Torres]]. At the end of the game she marries Roman at a church in [[Suffolk]] and reveals that she is pregnant. In the [[GTA IV Endings#Revenge|Revenge]] ending of the game, Roman and Mallorie tell Niko that if they have a daughter, they will name her Kate, after the late [[Kate McReary]]. During the [[GTA IV Endings#Deal|Deal]] ending, Mallorie is left a widow and tells Niko that her child will struggle without a father.

 == Trivia ==
 *In [[Broker Safehouse|Niko's First Apartment]], there is a picture of a much younger looking Mallorie next to the bed, in a picture-frame.
 *Although sharing the same surname as [[Henrique Bardas]], it is unlikley that they are related, simply because Mallorie is Puerto Rican and Henrique is of Dominican descent.
 *Mallorie is known to smoke marijuana. She has a record of the substance, and there is a bong in the [[South Bohan Safehouse]], however you never see her actually mention it or using it, nor can it even be confirmed it's hers.
 Despite people thinking the baby is going to be an girl,She says to Niko in the deal ending that is is a boy.

 ==LCPD Database information==
 '''Surname''': Bardas

 '''First Name''': Mallorie

 '''Age''': 29

 '''Place of Birth''': Puerto Rico

 '''Affiliations''': Linked to Puerto Rican drug dealers in South Bohan

 '''Criminal Record''':
 *1998 - Unauthorized Use Vehicle: Joyriding
 *2002 - Possession Controlled Substance: Marijuana

 '''Notes''':
 *South Bohan native of Puerto Rican descent.
 *Family ties to drug dealers.
 *Arrested on several accessory charges.
 *Works in Hove Beach.

 == Mission appearances ==
 ;GTA IV
 * [[It's Your Call]]
 * [[Three's a Crowd]]
 * [[Easy Fare]]
 * [[Roman's Sorrow]]
 * [[Escuela of the Streets]]
 * [[Luck of the Irish]]
 * [[Mr and Mrs Bellic]]

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 HeadManiac http://www.grandtheftwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:GTA_IV_Episodes&diff=186913 Talk:GTA IV Episodes 2010-02-13T21:49:04Z
HeadManiac: Well, do i PUNK!?

Hey, you know how each GTA with a new number seems to represent a new ''era'', well maybe -cause GTA 5 would be a new era- in the Gta 4 Era there will only be the DLCs/Episodes, as they can't really name them after the main cities any more, well, not really. And another thing, when R* said that DLCs for the ps3 is "likely" I began thinking, maybe the reason it's taking longer for them to make ps3 DLCs is cause the Ps3 DLCs will be set in a revamped Vice City, a cool idea or what, maybe it's a character we met in Gta 4, maybe [[Hossan]] or Packie's pal, (can't mind his name just now). What do you other PS3ers out there think? --[[User:LuisFernandoLopez|LuisFernandoLopez]] 19:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

 :Don't forget [[GTA Chinatown Wars]] is in the [[GTA IV Era]] too. We're just calling the next game [[GTA V]] because we don't know whether it will be in the same era or not. If it has the same engine, universe, and some interleaving storyline/characters, then it would be the same era. If not, it would be called GTA V/GTA 5 and have a new era. If it is a combination, then we'll work it out when that happens. I doubt the DLCs will become PS3 yet, but it might happen. That just wouldn't be the ''only'' thing to happen for the next 3 years. [[User:Gboyers|Gboyers]] [[User_talk:Gboyers|talk]] 22:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

 ::There are rumors that the DLC may come to the PS3, but they are just rumors... [[User:Fox Protector|Fox Protector]] 22:17, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

 == If you download the DLC... ==

 ...does it affect the landscape of the actual game, like, is the clubhouse of the lost updated in GTA 4 to have the parking space bit? And while i'm asking questions like that, is Niko's first apartment burned down as soon as TLAD story begins? --[[User:LuisFernandoLopez|LuisFernandoLopez]] 14:41, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

 :No. The main game stays the same. [[User:Master Sima Yi|Master Sima Yi]] 14:44, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

 == Exclusive Music ==

 The DLC's have exclusive music, as there are a few songs that are not in the original GTA IV game and are only found in both/either TLATD/TBOGT. Just thought I would point that out... --[[User:Submachiner|Submachiner]] 02:05, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

 ==Contradiction?==
 "The disc includes three exclusive radio stations to compensate the music not carried over from GTA IV. The DLCs do not have exclusive music but music from GTA IV are carried over."

 The above two sentences seem to contradict each other. One says the exclusive radio stations compensate for GTA IV music not being carried over, but the other says the exact opposite... :S [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] 11:51, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

 :I don't get how they contradict. Maybe it's not worded clearly. The disc has three extra radio stations while missing the ones from IV, and the DLC don't have the extra stations but retains the ones from IV.--'''[[User:Spaceeinstein|Spaceeinstein]]''' 12:03, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

 :Ah, okay. I understand now. Yeah, the wording is somewhat confusing. [[User:Ghost Leader|Ghost Leader]] 15:34, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

 == Difference ==

 Is there any difference AT ALL between downloading the 2 DLCs and the Episodes from liberty city disc.

 This is extremely important and this needs to be replied to immediately.

 :Im pretty sure that It dosen't. It may have a few bug fixes but the Story wnd structure of the games remain the same. Also, don't forget to sign your comments with four tidles (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). Thanks. '''''[[User:Chimpso|Chimpso]]''''' 10:54, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

 ::The stories are exactly the same. The difference is that the DLC version of [[TLAD]] takes place in the same [[Liberty City in GTA IV Era|Liberty City]] as the [[GTA IV|main game]], where as the version on EFLC takes place in an updated version of the city (with small changes), shared by both episodes. Therefore the two games are incompatible. The changes to the city also change on the DLC version of [[TBOGT]] as that's the game that the changes were actually made for (for example, the changes to [[Rotterdam Tower]], due to it's use for base jumping), and the two versions are compatible. [[Rockstar]] really needs to release a patch to fix this up. It also doesn't make sense how three storylines taking place at the exact period of time, and even interacting with each other, can have differences in the city. It's obvious that Rockstar wasn't planning ahead for the features in TBOGT when they were designing the city. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 00:17, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

 == PS3: Comes in disc form, right? ==

 (See title) Also, would anyone be able to put a price on it? This being in Australia.

 :Yes, you can buy it as Episodes From Liberty City (the disc), as for a price, [http://www.game.com.au/grand-theft-auto-episodes-from-liberty-city/xbox-360/1277X360 GAME] is selling the [[Xbox 360]] version for AU$58.00, so it'll probably be the same. That's very cheap compared to most games, but of course it's just DLC. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 03:21, January 30, 2010 (UTC) '''EDIT:''' That's on special, but the usual price (as well as at other shops, including [http://www.ebgames.com.au/xbox360-148202-Grand-Theft-Auto-Episodes-From-Liberty-City-Xbox-360 EB Games]) is AU$69.95. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 03:24, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

 ::So, i'm assuming that it'll be around that price for PS3 as well? --[[User:Stankers|Stankers]] 03:32, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

 :::Most likely yes. '''[[User:Biggest gta fan ever|Biggest GTA Fan Ever]]''[[User talk:Biggest gta fan ever|Talk]]''''' 03:34, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

 == EFLC websites and TV shows ==

 Can someone inform me which are the new in-game websites and TV shows added to the EFLC? As much as i try to find it through the internet, i can't seem to find something other than the GTA IV websites. Thanks in advance! [[User:Paoan013|Paoan013]] 11:33, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

 It seems i didn't search in gta wikia very carefully. I found them here, so it's ok. [[User:Paoan013|Paoan013]] 11:33, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

 == Unclear ==
 If I buy the disc containing this do I need the actual GTA IV disc to play it? --[[User:HeadManiac|HeadManiac]] 21:49, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
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