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I cannot be the only one who enjoys anal fisting. There is something very intense when you fist are get fisted. I mean not just the sensation of it, but also the way one gives himself or herself to the other...
Hmmm.... Challenge acceptetd?? Lol.
I like to fist myself but i cant insert my all hand.. why ?
Quite simply, your arms are too short to reach around and your wrist may not bend enough to negotiate the curves. VERY FEW men can fist themselves, and by that I mean get their entire hand in to the wrist. It is much easier for women to vaginally fist themselves because we can get in from the front and we don't have to reach around.
I was surprised by my second wife when after using a dildo on me she then lubed up her hand and injected three fingers then four and then her hole hand. I came in two seconds. I wish we were still married but alas she feel for a Egyptian.
I like to fist myself but i cant insert my all hand.. why ?
I love being fisted. My Girlfriend had been wanting to play with me anally for quite a while and after I had been playing with a dildo she decided she wanted to insert her fingers into me. After lubing up she first inserted a finger, then 2 then slowly worked her whole fist into me and was able to insert past her wrist. It was the most incredible body experience I can remember ever having. It was nothing like having a large dildo inside of me. My whole body went into convulsions and when she pulled her fist out of me I lay shaking on the bed for about 15 seconds shuttering with delight. Now keep in mind she is a small framed woman (about 5'2" tall) which made it a lot easier than most.. The experience was like nothing else I have felt and she has been fisting me every now and then for quite a while now. Feeling her hand moving inside of me was a sexual high that can only be felt to really appreciate the intensity.
To be fisted by a gentle hand is mandatory, to be fisted by a experienced, adventurous, proactive hand is pure pleasure.
A lot of people have mentioned that it takes time and slow, safe practice to get to taking an entire hand up your ass "but once you get there it's amazing!"...
This is very true but for those who are training their ass to take a fist, once you get there you may find that the journey was more fun than the goal... I did :)
So far this is only a fantasy for me - some day I hope to make it a reality.
I enjoy being fisted, I prefer females they seem to have more of a understanding, were guys just like to push it in, I can regularly manage 9.5cm about 31/2 inches so I should be nearly ready to be doubled fisted,, then we will see about deep fisting, looks pretty scarey
Damn it! I was so close to fisting myself! I was really on a good effort but had to give up as my wrist was eventually getting painful and I was running out of time (wifey coming home). It was really a great feeling and I wish I persevered a little longer.
I hope I get a better shot at it next time :-)
When you see fisting videos, they are incredible hot and sexy. If you are being fisted you truly have to trust the person to go at a pace that works just right for you by slowly going from fingers to working up to the full fist.
I don't think I could ever handle a fist but I do anal play all the time. Having a partner do fingers and prostate massage is the next best thing and does produce powerful orgasms but a full fist must be quite the experience- I am envious of those that can do it.
I have recently managed to insert a 'home -made' fist-like object of about 8cm in diameter (I think it is about three inches) so I think I could easily take a 'real' fist without any problem.
Unfortunately, though I would love to be fisted I think it is completely out of the question. My wife is not into anything anal and all my attempts have been met with "find a gay partner"... I even tried to fist her pussy but she was not impressed to say the least. Though she is fairly amorous she is not into extreme kinks or fetishes and she obviously doesn't know about my 'dark secret', that is, my anal eroticism.
I'm also too paranoid to meet some outsider to fulfill my fisting fantasies so I guess I have to carry on by self-satisfaction. I have tried fisting myself but as many others on this forum I think my arm is not long enough...
That video of the foot, well I've seen it already, and I'm still dying to try it. Not that far per se but still want to take a foot. But I don't have any anal experience yet so that will be a while. http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v=KyOWv-S474-
Boy, that woman who is knee deep is amazing! I hope she had a close shave on her legs and no hang nails!
I've never gone that far open. A little too much for me, although it looks amazing.
I've heard people say "I'll put my foot (shoe or boot) up your ass" as a version of "I'll kick your ass" but that adds a whole new visual for me. :-S
FUCKING INCREDIBLE!!!!! :o
I'm going to show that to my husband.
The arm position in that video is essentially from the anus going superiorly to the receiver's upper left quadrant, them bending her elbow to extend farther into the colon going to the receiver's upper right under the ribcage.
The maneuver has to be done with the giver's right arm for her to be on her knees leaning forward. Had she used her left arm, she would have to be almost on her back to make her left arm bend ion the direction of his colon.
I have never gone as far as she did. I have to show this clip to my husband. Being the competitive type, I know he will at least let me try. I don't have Olympic weight lifter's arms, but mine are bigger than hers, so I don't think I'll be able to do it with him. I'll let you know if I get anywhere near her amazing depth.
One gallon's 137 post of fisting is amazing. I would love to see a representation of where her hand and arm went, and what form the intestines took when her whole arm was inside. Be good to have X-Ray vision for watching fisting. I was also impressed by the enthusiasm of people who report having experienced it. Being fisted is real intimacy!
This site, not least the contributions of Susie, is absolutely wonderful. During most of my long life there was no way an average person could learn about the things discussed here. Orchids to all who participate!
WOW, just called my lady in here to watch onegallon's 137 post. She said for me to get the fister's phone number and just 'maybe' :) WOW again. I didn't think that there was that much room in there for that.
I have almost gotten my own hand the entire way in but my arms are too short. Wife isn't into fisting but I sure am.
That is the usual problem.
I have never Tried Fisting. Fantasized a great deal about it, but I don't believe I have met any one yet whom I trust enough to have their hands wiggling around in my rear end. For that matter I haven't trusted many people at all, since the passing of my wife. I guess that will have to change if I expect to continue to grow emotionally. Gonna need some help with that.
I have almost gotten my own hand the entire way in but my arms are too short. Wife isn't into fisting but I sure am.
I got fisted anally the first time in September by my enema nurse. It didn't hurt, but it was deliciously uncomfortable going in. Once in, it felt wonderful. The pressure, urgency, and sensations as she moved her hand were delightful. I wish I had a woman who wanted to do that to me regularly.
I have always wanted to try it. I hear it is intense. I have many fantasies about it, mostly having it done after an enema, when my ass is already raw.
I've been able to fist myself, but have smaller hands and even that was intense. Eventually would like to be fisted though
Boy, and i thought a couple fingers in me was a big deal...
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|Chris Christie
|Christie in April 2015
|55th Governor of New Jersey
|Assumed office
January 19, 2010
|Kim Guadagno
|Preceded by
|Jon Corzine
|United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey
|In office
January 17, 2002 – December 1, 2008[1]
|Nominated by
|George W. Bush
|Preceded by
|Robert Cleary
|Succeeded by
|Ralph Marra (Acting)
|Member of the Morris County Board of Chosen Freeholders
|In office
January 1, 1995 – January 1, 1998
|Personal details
|Christopher James Christie[2]
September 6, 1962
Newark, New Jersey
|Political party
|Mary Pat Foster (m. 1986–present)
|Andrew (b. 1993)
Sarah (b. 1996)
Patrick (b. 2000)
Bridget (b. 2003)
|Mendham, New Jersey
|Alma mater
|University of Delaware
Seton Hall University
|Roman Catholic[3]
Christopher James "Chris" Christie (born September 6, 1962) is an American politician. In 2010, he became the 55th Governor of New Jersey. He was the first Republican to win a statewide election in New Jersey in 12 years.
Some people thought Christie was a leading candidate for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2016.[4][5][6] He announced his presidential campaign on June 30, 2015. After poor polling numbers and not winning the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries, Christie suspended his campaign on February 10, 2016.
Early life[change | change source]
Christie was born on September 6, 1962 in Newark, New Jersey. He is of Irish-Scottish-Sicilian descent. He was raised in Livingston, New Jersey. Christie studied at the University of Delaware and at Seton Hall University.
Early career[change | change source]
Christie joined a Cranford, New Jersey, law firm in 1987, rose to become a partner in 1993, and continued practicing until 2002.
He was elected county legislator in Morris County, serving from 1995 to 1998, during which time he generally pushed for lower taxes and lower spending. By 2002, Christie had campaigned for Presidents George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush. Bush appointed him as United States Attorney for New Jersey, a position he held from 2002 to 2008. In that position, he fought political corruption and also obtained convictions for sexual slavery, arms trafficking, racketeering by gangs, and other federal crimes.
Governor of New Jersey (2010-present)[change | change source]
In January 2009, Christie declared his candidacy for Governor of New Jersey. He won the Republican primary, and defeated incumbent Governor Jon Corzine in the election that November. In 2013, he won re-election as Governor, defeating Democrat Barbara Buono by a margin of over 22%. He was sworn in to a second term as governor on January 21, 2014.
As governor, Christie has promised not to raise taxes. He has also vowed to lower the state income and business taxes. On September 18, 2013, Christie signed legislation to overhaul the state's business tax incentive programs.
Christie is a strong supporter of the state granting tax credits to parents who send their children to private and parochial schools.[7] He also supports the introduction of state-funded vouchers, which parents of students in failing school districts could use to pay the tuition of private schools.
Christie has stated that he believes that the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection is too big and is "killing business" with permit delays. In January 2013 Christie vetoed a New Jersey Legislature bill that would have raised the minimum wage from $7.25 to $8.50 per hour.[8][9] Christie supports gay marriage, but said that he would not pass a bill allowing gay marriage in New Jersey. He also supports the DREAM Act and illegal immigrants.
On November 21, 2013, Christie was elected Chairman of the Republican Governors Association, succeeding Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal.
Personal life[change | change source]
He has been married to Mary Pat Foster since 1986. They have four children.
2016 presidential campaign[change | change source]
On June 27, 2015, Christie launched his presidential campaign website. He announced his candidacy for the 2016 presidential election on June 30, 2015.[10][11] After poor polling numbers and not winning the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries, Christie suspended his campaign on February 10, 2016. He later endorsed Donald Trump.[12]
References[change | change source]
- ↑ Resignation Letter from Christopher J. Christie to Michael Mukasey, dated November 17, 2008.
- ↑ Caitlin Huey-Burns. "10 Things You Didn't Know About Chris Christie - US News and World Report". U.S. News & World Report. http://www.usnews.com/mobile/articles_mobile/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-chris-christie-2. Retrieved 2012-12-01.
- ↑ Christie chats with Israeli Prime Minster Netanyahu, swarmed by fans, dated April 3, 2012.
- ↑ George Will (January 30, 2013). "Chris Christie, volcanic politics and Election 2016". The Washington Post. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-01-30/opinions/36646181_1_chris-christie-mitt-romney-governor.
- ↑ Susan Heavey (January 9, 2013). "New Jersey's Christie: likely "more ready" for president in 2016". Reuters. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/09/us-usa-politics-christie-idUSBRE9080NP20130109.
- ↑ Paul Steinhauser (November 10, 2012). "Analysis: It's never too early to talk about 2016". CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/08/politics/campaign-2016/index.html.
- ↑ Wiener, Robert (August 6, 2009). "Christie holds meeting with Orthodox leaders: Republican hopeful offers support for school funding plans". New Jersey Jewish News. http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/080609/njChristieHoldsMeetings.html.
- ↑ Portnoy, Jenna (January 28, 2013). "Christie vetoes minimum wage bill, Democrats vow to put measure on ballot". The Star-Ledger. http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/01/christie_minimum_wage.html. Retrieved October 28, 2014.
- ↑ Russ, Hilary (January 28, 2014). "Chris Christie Vetoes Minimum Wage Increase, Proposes Smaller One". Huffington Post. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/chris-christie-minimum-wage_n_2568576.html. Retrieved October 28, 2014.
- ↑ Desiderio, Adam (30 June 2015). "Chris Christie Announces 2016 Presidential Campaign". ABC News. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chris-christie-announces-2016-presidential-campaign/story?id=32125633. Retrieved 30 June 2015.
- ↑ Moody, Chris (30 June 2015). "Chris Christie launches 2016 presidential bid from New Jersey". CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/30/politics/chris-christie-2016-presidential-campaign/index.html. Retrieved 2015-06-30.
- ↑ "Chris Christie suspends campaign". CNN.com. http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/10/politics/chris-christie-2016-election/. Retrieved February 13, 2016.
Other websites[change | change source]
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- Office of the Governor official state site
- Christie for NJ re-election campaign website
- Chris Christie Speech at the Reagan Library: Full Text, National Review, September 27, 2011


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PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Anti-Wall Street protesters and their supporters flooded a city park area in Portland early Sunday in defiance of an eviction order, and authorities elsewhere stepped up pressure against the demonstrators, arresting nearly two dozen.
As many as 3,000 people converged on two adjacent downtown Portland parks after city officials set a midnight Saturday deadline to disperse.
But more than two hours later, the protesters were still there and their supporters were streaming in. Throngs spilled out into the streets adjacent to camp, tying up traffic.
Organizers said they hope enough people will join them to make it difficult if not impossible for police to carry through on any eviction.
"Occupy the street," one organizer said through a bull horn. "Remain peaceful and aware. We have strength in holding the streets."
Some of the protesters referred to police in a chant: "Do not attack. We're not violent."
Clusters of police with nightsticks and helmets had been positioned on area corners but their numbers seemed to dwindle in the early hours, and there were no signs of any action directed toward the campers.
"We'll take action that's appropriate, when it's appropriate," police spokesman Lt. Robert King told The Associated Press.
"We are not going to engage in confrontation for a misdemeanor," he said, noting that is the legal violation for remaining in the park after midnight.
It appeared earlier that about 200 campers planned to get arrested. But police action seemed less likely after the crowds swelled the parks in the early morning hours.
On Saturday, Occupy Portland protesters dismantled large sections of their encampment, but dozens of tents remained after midnight.
Mayor Sam Adams ordered the camp shut down, citing unhealthy conditions and the encampment's attraction of drug users and thieves.
Demonstrators rallied Saturday evening as organizers said they hope radical elements don't use violence to overshadow the movement's message of peaceful resistance to income inequality and what they see as corporate greed.
But police prepared for a possible clash, warning that dozens of anarchists may be planning a confrontation with authorities. Officers seized pieces of cement blocks Friday, saying they were told some demonstrators had plans to use them as weapons against police. They said they believe some demonstrators are building shields and trying to collect gas masks.
For the second time in as many days, Oakland city officials warned protesters Saturday that they do not have the right to camp in the plaza in front of City Hall and face immediate arrest.
The eviction notices come as officials across the country urged an end to similar gatherings in the wake of three deaths in different cities, including two by gunfire.
Demands for Oakland protesters to pack up increased after a man was shot and killed Thursday near the encampment site.
"Your activities are injurious to health, obstruct the free use of property, interfering with the comfortable enjoyment of (Frank Ogawa Plaza), and unlawfully obstruct the free passage or use of a public park or square," the notice read.
Oakland officials first issued the eviction notice Friday after first pleading with protesters to leave the encampment.
Police officials have said a preliminary investigation suggested the shooting resulted from a fight between two groups of men at or near the encampment. Investigators do not know if the men in the fight were associated with Occupy Oakland, but protesters said there was no connection between the shooting and the camp.
The shooting occurred the same day a 35-year-old military veteran apparently committed suicide in a tent at a Burlington, Vt., Occupy encampment. Police said a preliminary investigation showed the veteran fatally shot himself in the head. They said the death raised questions about whether the protest would be allowed to continue.
In Salt Lake City, police arrested 19 people Saturday when protesters refused to leave a park a day after a man was found dead inside his tent at the encampment.
The arrests came after police moved into the park early in the evening where protesters had been ordered to leave by the end of the day. About 150 people had been living in the camp there for weeks.
Authorities in Denver forced protesters to leave a downtown encampment and arrested four people for interfering with officers who removed illegally pitched tents, said police spokesman Sonny Jackson.
Jackson said police had advised protesters since Wednesday that their tents in Civic Center Park and on a nearby sidewalk were illegal.
Violence marked the protest in San Francisco Saturday where police said two demonstrators attacked two police officers in separate incidents during a march.
Police spokesman Carlos Manfredi said a protester slashed an officer's hand with a pen knife while another protester shoved an officer, causing facial cuts. He said neither officer was seriously hurt, and the assailants couldn't be located.
Meanwhile, in Southern California a small group of protesters braved soggy weather on Saturday to gather for the first time under the banner of Occupy Inland Empire. Members of Occupy movements in Fontana, Redlands, Riverside, and other nearby towns marched past banks and in front of San Bernardino City Hall in what they called a "visibility action," The Sun newspaper reported.
As of 12:26 a.m.
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Dozens of anti-Wall Street protesters are defying a city order to abandon their encampment in two adjacent Portland parks.
The Occupy movement faced a midnight deadline Saturday to break camp or face possible arrest, but nearly a half hour after that an estimated 200 remained.
Up to 1,000 supports were nearby but many of them moved from the parks to sidewalks, where it is legal to congregate.
Clusters of police with nightsticks and helmets are positioned on area corners but there are no signs of any action directed toward the campers.
Earlier in the day, the demonstrators dismantled large sections of their encampment; about 100 tents are still standing.
Mayor Sam Adams ordered the camp shut down, citing unhealthy conditions and the encampment's attraction of drug users and thieves.
As of 12:04 a.m.
PORTLAND (AP) — Tension are increasing at the Occupy Portland encampment where protesters faced a midnight deadline to disperse or face possible police arrest.
In a steady drizzle, up to 200 campers were at the site minutes before midnight and appeared ready to face the promised arrests.
And the numbers of their supporters have been increasing with as many as 1,000 people now milling around the encampment.
For the past couple of hours people in the camp have been giving speeches, telling protesters what to do in case of arrest.
Meanwhile, the camp has been doling out food with one tent has been serving coffee and burritos.
Earlier in the day, the demonstrators dismantled large sections of their encampment amid a heavy police presence before the deadline to clear out of two downtown parks following the month-long protest. Still, about 100 tents remained standing late Saturday.
Demonstrators marched through downtown before an evening potluck, and demonstrators said they hope radical elements don't use violence to overshadow the movement's attempt to peacefully demonstrate its right to assemble.
But police with nightsticks and helmets were prepared for a possible clash, warning that dozens of anarchists may be planning a confrontation with authorities. Officers seized pieces of cement blocks Friday, saying they were told some demonstrators had plans to use them as weapons against police. They said they believe some demonstrators are building shields and trying to collect gas masks.
On Saturday, police released photos of wooden pallets with nails sticking outward and other "improvised weapons" they say they've seized. Social service workers have gone through the camp offering housing and other assistance to people without a place to stay when the park closes. Demonstrators have struggled to deal with a rising population of homeless people and others, some suffering from mental illness, drawn to the camp for free food, shelter, safety and camaraderie.
Protest organizers have pleaded for peace and said anyone who acts violently does not represent the movement. Organizers also plan to pass out information about safe places to stay for the night and get basic first aid if they're injured in a potential clash, and some distributed phone numbers for the National Lawyers Guild in case demonstrators are arrested.
"It looks like they're (protesters) doing the right thing. I hope it all works out," Said Gordon Bogusch, 88, of Portland, who was showing support for the protesters Saturday night, accompanied by his daughter and son-in-law, Susan and Ralph Prows.
"The movement is not over," Ralph said. "People are hurting and out of work."
Dozens of occupy protesters from cities such as Seattle and Salem, Ore., said they've come to Portland to show solidarity.
Around midnight, police in riot gear in clusters of about a dozen were on corners in the area but they have made no signs of moving in on the campers.not bit show of force.
Lines of bicyclists were riding around the park, some with lights on, to show support.
Gabriel Rola, a 41-year-old unemployed chef and musician who has been staying at the camp for two weeks, said he hopes police don't use force.
"If somebody gets hurt, it's going to be the shot heard round the world," he said.
Demonstrators plan to regroup Sunday in Pioneer Courthouse Square — another downtown plaza where crews recently erected the city's large Christmas tree.
Both during the afternoon and again at night, lawyers explained to some protesters what their rights are under the law and how to react should they choose to force arrest. Police have said they'll work to accommodate anyone who wishes to be peacefully be arrested by defying the park's curfew.
Later, demonstrators danced in the rain to rock and techno music blaring from speakers in Terry Schrunk Plaza, a federally owned park across the street from the two city parks that have served as home to about 300 people.
Mayor Sam Adams has ordered the camp shut down, citing unhealthy conditions and the encampment's attraction of drug users and thieves. Paramedics treated two people suffering from apparent drug overdoses, one on Friday and one on Saturday, bringing to four the number of nonfatal overdoses inside the camp, police said.
The harder line from the city comes as leaders across the country feel increasing pressure to shut down Occupy encampments. One man died in a shooting in Oakland, Calif., and a 35-year-old military veteran apparently shot himself to death in a tent in Burlington, Vt. Another man was found dead from a suspected combination of drugs and carbon monoxide poisoning caused by a propane heater inside a tent in Salt Lake City.
"I cannot wait for someone to die," Adams said Thursday. "I cannot wait for someone to use the camp as camouflage to inflict bodily harm on others."
The Portland encampment went up Oct. 6 after a march in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement protesting income inequality and what demonstrators see as corporate greed. They set up an intricate village with free food, medical care, political discussions and a library.
But it also became a magnet for people not originally part of the movement. Sanitary conditions worsened and businesses complained of theft.
City officials' patience began growing thin when activists sought to occupy another park on Oct. 30. Police dragged away 27 of the protesters when they refused to leave.
Protesters marched over two bridges on Nov. 2, but declined to inform police about the march route. That forced officers on bicycles, motorcycles and in squad cars to follow and block traffic for more than an hour. An officer was pushed into a moving bus sometime near the end of the march, police said. He received minor injuries.


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Next Friday, more than 1,000 physical-fitness enthusiasts will coast into Hinesville on bicycles. Some will be advanced riders striving to beat their own best times; others will be families just looking to get some exercise and enjoy the great outdoors. Whatever the case, the 32nd annual Bicycle Ride Across Georgia tour, which concludes Saturday in Savannah, has chosen our city for its second-to-last stop, and it's time to make those cyclists feel welcome.
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In all fairness, Gov. Nathan Deal – and, in fact, any new Georgia governor – faces a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" conundrum in connection with marking their inauguration as the state's chief executive, and the issue of whether public or private resources are used to fund any festivities associated with their taking the oath of office.
Rats. I thought I could get out of writing a column this week.
It looks like Porsche has no problems with the new Georgia law that mandates that all companies with more than 10 employees use the free, federal E-Verify system to determine whether those people are in the country legally.
The 2011 General Assembly marked my seventh year as a legislator. Every year, I learn something new or am reminded of something along the way. This year certainly was no different. Here are a few things I either learned or was reminded of:
We invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban was harboring Al-Qaeda members and allowing them to train fighters who were willing to kill Americans. Now, 10 years later, we are still there but I don't think Al-Qaeda is. We now are fighting the Taliban, which, I admit, is a bad group, but not the correct target. We appear to be fighting the Taliban because the Afghans are unable to put together a sufficiently trained army to defend themselves. It is time for us to leave.
Gov. Nathan Deal recently signed into law SB 36, the Patient Safety Act of 2011, making Georgia one of the last states in the nation to implement a prescription drug monitoring program to combat the growing problem of prescription drug abuse.
Almost all military spouses can be divided up into two categories: passive and active. Recently I've experienced some confusion about which category I belong in. I've always considered myself rather passive when it comes to my position as the soldier's other half. I'm not much into Family Readiness Group meetings - although I probably should be - and I rarely find myself worrying about my husband's upcoming promotions.
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Bethesda Responds To Oblivion Issues
Fans upset, but not making 'knee jerk reactions' yet.
Bethesda kicked off the planned series of content releases with two pieces of optional armor for player's in-game horses, charging $2.50 for Xbox 360, $1.99 for PC. Gamers showed a marked enthusiasm for microtransactions when Microsoft first announced the idea, but two pieces of cosmetic armor for the price of anywhere from 3-4% of what players paid for the original game (depending on which version and platform) didn't rub fans the right way.
"I am going to pay a "premium" for a nifty hat?" said 1UP user Ryan Kaplan, aka Tylahedras. "I don't like the idea that if I want to color Master Chief white in Halo 3 multiplayer I will need to shell out even more cash. Doesn't anyone else see that this micropayment crap will lead to incomplete games?"
Some gamers agreed the download was a rip-off, but were tired of hearing the bitching about content that isn't forced on players. "You can complain and whine all you want but it all comes down to this. If you don't like this idea then don't buy this its that simple," said DeShawn Cole, otherwise known as XtremeGmr4life. "Maybe if you don't purchase it the prices will lower or even better become free."
Bethesda is a very user-oriented company, so you can bet they were paying attention when the Internet decided to start throwing a deluge of complaints in their face. Right now, though, the company isn't about to change their plans because fans aren't happy with the only piece of bonus content they've released so far.
"We're not going to make any knee-jerk decisions based on it [the armor] being available for five hours. We'll see what folks think and put out a few others we have planned and figure out where to go from there," says VP of PR and marketing Pete Hines. "Some folks seem excited and are already using it, others don't want it. Maybe those folks will really want the Orrery, or the Wizard's Tower. We'll see when they come out and use that info to determine what we put out, how much, etc."
|We're not going to make any knee-jerk decisions based on it [the armor] being available for five hours.
The real question on fan's minds, though, is why Bethesda is charging in the first place. With The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, Bethesda released additional content developed in-house for free, and the Xbox received a Game of the Year edition that included two expansion packs for only $19.99. With Oblivion, however, the company doesn't appear to be planning any free content.
There's a reason for that, they say, and the reasoning appears to fall on the cost of development. "Different game, different approach to downloadable content and the size and scope of things we want to do, and what it takes to do them," says Hines.
As for players believing they can beat the system by recreating Bethesda's in-house bonus content using PC modification tools, the company says they will not allow anyone to "straight copy" what they release, and mentioned again future content will be more than horse armor, so it will be easy to spot players acting suspect.
The bottom line, though, is players are definitely upset about the handling of microtransactions here. There was less backlash when Microsoft released Kameo: Elements of Power costumes because there was less feverish enthusiasm behind the game; if anything, the complaints are backhanded compliment, but they might not stay that way if the next release is a nothing more than a "nifty hat."
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Comments (79)
~_~Posted: Apr 13, 2006 12:00AM PST by MyMomSaysImKeen
The only issue I have with this idea is that it was released almost as soon as the finished product was that I wonder why not include these items in the first place? A few months down the road if they want to throw in some fresh character models, new races, spell graphics etc, and charge me a few dollars for it I'm game, but when you release a game on March 20th, and release new content not even two weeks after it seems to be that they originally released an unfinished product knowingly, or are merely trying to milk the consumer and make sure Starbucks never recieves any of our spare cash.
boogers man...Posted: Apr 09, 2006 12:00AM PST by stooge_man_089
Gaming is expensive and i won't stand for it!!!I'm gonna do something about it man.
absolutely ridiculous dudePosted: Apr 09, 2006 12:00AM PST by stooge_man_089
why should i have to pay even more for an xtremely over priced game in the first place??? Just make improvments give 'em out for free since i paid $60 mutha fuckin bucks and another $400 just for a console!!!
Wait, this is s big deal?Posted: Apr 06, 2006 12:00AM PST by GREENCHIEF69
Honestly i dont care its $2.50 whoopeee sure Id like to have yaeh know more incentive to what im paying maybe a quest or something but im not going to get in a hissy fit over $2.50 i mean i could buy maybe two snacks at 7 eleven for that. Anyway i had an extra two hundred points lying around anyway, that i was saving from a few months back so im not complaing b/c i didnt really pay anything.
Gamers are such cheapskatesPosted: Apr 06, 2006 12:00AM PST by PzW
Seriously, what else are you going to do with $2.50? OH NOES THAT'S 2 CUPS OF COFFEE. Fancy Hat sounds like a good deal, I'll be wearing it longer than it takes to drink the joe. Sure, a developer could take this to the extreme and sell Oblivion 2 Total Poverty where the disc's $50 and then you have to buy every dungeon, every weapon and item, etc etc for $2.50 on Live. Yeah that would grind my gears, you're either giving up on $50 you already spent, or spending another $50 to make the first $50 worthwhile. I'd have to see a developer DO that before I started complaining about it though. In fact, I'd have to see a developer actually fool me into getting the game before I get bent over it. Until that point I'm happy to vote with my wallet.
Seriously?Posted: Apr 06, 2006 12:00AM PST by datalurkur
I hope Bethesday isn't serious about this. Not only does it show that they don't respect their market, but it puts the future of games into dangerous waters. Sure, it's just horse armor, but what's next? The end of the main quest line? "Only 1.99 to find out how the game ends!" That's <i>bullshit</i>, Bethesda.
BOYCOTT THIS CRAPPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by Brainpills13
So the buying trend that started in MMO's has finally spewed into other genres like an overflowing cesspool. Not that novel an idea, considering you've been able to Ebay gold or nifty hats for your MMO toons for years. Point being: third parties have been cashing in on this for a long time, and now major companies have found a way to do it as well. Think about this: episodic content and micropayments could result in games that, if they sell poorly, WOULD NOT BE FINISHED. Think about only being able to play Half Life 2 to the sewer section, or FF7 to disc 3 due to "episodic content" that was never finished. This is a nightmare and it should be stopped by the people who truly have power: those of us with the buying dollars.
Common Sense Approach to all thingsPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by TiberiusJones
Common sense says, as mentioned, if you don't like it don't buy it. The market will dictate the future, period. If there is a market for their pricing, then they will continue to offer it as is. But if this backlash manifests in a lack of adoption then they will be forced to reconsider their strategy in regards to downloadable content. I can tell you I'm not paying $2.50 for an armor suit for my horse. What really aggravates me is the fact that they are charging 360 players MORE for these microtransactions than PC players when we already paid $10 more for the game in the first place. Seems inherently unfair to me and a more legitimate thing to complain about.
Dangerous new territoryPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by tygertat
We have already shown that we will shell out whatever they demand...like $400 for a console that is still selling out in most places, or $60- to an outrageous $70 for a game. I've said it before and I'll say it again...its all in a testing phase to see just how far we'll go. Now make my game cheaper and then you can talk to me about shelling out money for novelty items. While complaining will most likely get you nowhere remember that $$$ talks and in the end thats really what gets the point across. If enough people buy into it then it sets a dangerous trend for the road ahead.
No problems with the concept, just bad pricingPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by TazJere
First, I will start off by saying that I don't play Oblivion. However, two of my roommates do, so I know the game fairly well by now since I have a fun time just watching what they do for an hour or two at a time. (that's me watching, they play far more). I have to agree that the novelty buys, while interesting, are high buck for the fact that they are Novelty. At least, if you're going to charge $2.50, make the armor worth something on your horse. Give it a better armor rating so that it doesn't get killed as fast, or has resistances to magics or speed increase... SOMETHING! If it's just decorative, charge something like $0.10 per item or $0.50 per set of things... allow people to open an account, for those who genuinely paid for the game, they get $5 or $10 worth of free add-on gear, some functional, some decorative. It's NOT a bad idea, but the pricing is just ridiculous. Most cell phone companies used to allow you to download ringtones for free when you signed up. Even if it was just one or two, now they pretty much always charge. I'm payin $55 a month, you can't give me one free ringtone a month? or even a year? Video game companies charge a substantial amount for their games, and for the little download we can get, I don't think charging is a bad deal, but make it worth the player's while. If you don't want to pay, you don't have to. It's not like WoW, where if Blizzard did something like that, you can bet that people would easily spend their money to get the one-up on someone else, decorative or functional. At least with Oblivion, you don't have an advantage over another player, but if they make the items functional, it could give them advantages over the game mobs.
"Don't buy it" is 100% RIGHT!!!Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by BaldVader
You guys can crab about "it isn't as simple as 'don't buy it'" all you want. The fact remains; this is a choice. Saying that this is an invalid argument is just plain ignorant. Is $2.50 too much for horsey armor?? YES. Do I want it? HELL NO. Does that somehow tarnish the $60 I spent to acquire this (STILL) kick ass game? NO WAY. So, let's put this attempt to invalidate the "don't buy it" argument to rest. There's just no way to justify it.
RE: Bethesda and PAPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by NOEEM
So you're against like....Everquest, City of Heros, etc, etc. That's cool for you, but I know millions of people who would beg to differ... Also, just because a blog makes fun of something a company does, does not mean that the company is wrong....just that it's funny... Else should everyone have buckled everytime SNL made a joke? It really just means that their target has a broad market penetration... It's just business.
Bethesda and PAPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by exaggeration17a
I think it's safe to say that when Penny Arcade bases a comic on your crappy decision, it's big enough of a screw-up that you need to change something. The whole concept of pay to play annoys me after you've already spent $50 to buy the game in the first place. I can deal with expansion packs too, as long as it's not done on a Sims-like level (I did buy Bloodmoon). Charging for this tiny amount of horse barding, though? Ridiculous.
Here's to common sense...Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by NOEEM
First, Oblivion is an EXCELENT game. I happen to have it for 360 ($400.00) and have invested 36+ hours in it thus far. Would be more, but I have a job...and a life. The game is already completed, the horse armor, castles, yada, yada are all EXTRA. They obviously weren't ready prior to release or else they would have been out week one. I'm not really interested in the paying for small enhancememts (armor, swords, spells), but would shell out a few bucks for new quests or towns, or somthing to that effect. It's not like they are charging me for a game patch, to fix something that doesn't work; that would be unethical, in my opinion. Heck, I don't even need to buy what they are offering to enjoy the game. Thousands of MMO players shell out actual sums of money (to fellow gamers no less) to buy quest items and other nonsensical items that are just as meaningless as horse armor. If you spent $4k on a game rig or $400 on a 360 and are upset about $2 that you don't NEED to spend?....
this isn't rightPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by komradkyle
they have enough money I do not like this concept at all
Additional Content.Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by DUSK2K3
I see and understand both sides of this argument. Some people don't feel they should have to pay for additional content for a game that they already paid $50 or $60 for. Some believe that there is no issue charging for additional content because the developers don't have to make it. There have been a couple of things said that I felt a need to address, however. First is the assinine idea that Bethesda is doing this to counter act the cost of game piracy. If this is the case, and I'm sure it is not, then the strategy needs to change. You do not punish those who spent the money to get the game legally in order to make up for lost profits due to piracy. You punish those who downloaded the game by rendering it unplayable when they try to used hacked game code. Second, there seems to be the notion that Bethesda is doing this out of the kindness of their hearts to support their fan base and are generously spending their time to produce additional game material. There is no kindness or generosity in this. Generosity is not charging 5% of the game cost to provide armor to people that already paid for the game. This is capitalism and while not illegal, in some circles may be viewed as unethical. I agree with releasing additional content for a cost. However you must provide more than 1 piece of in-game armor for 5% of the cost of the game. I have no problem with this business model as long as it is enacted fairly while providing a product comparative to price. I would even be willing to buy some of this content at one time or another but I can't right now. I already spent my $50 on the game. Maybe next month.
I'm all for itPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by strider81
A lot of people are whining about this and I don't see why. I'm sure a lot of time, hard work, and money went into making Oblivion the great game that it is. However, piracy is so abundant these days and while sales may be good, there are still plenty of people who will simply download this title. The majority of people I know have done so and this hurts profits. Imagine if you worked hard to create a product that you believe in, only to have people go and steal it. That being said, look at how other industries attemp to combat piracy; the music industry slaps lawsuits on people, the movie industry makes you watch advertisements in the theatre about how piracy is bad, even though you're a legit customer and you've just PAID to watch their movie. The game industry, imo, handles it the best by far. No whining and crying; instead (aside from copy protection methods) they provide gamers with an incentive to buy legit copies of the game through collectors edition packs, or they allow free multiplayer modes online, or they sell mods such as Bethesda has done. If you don't think its worth it, just don't buy it. I don't really see what anyone is complaining about... if you ask me, the 360 is not worth a penny, yet they charge an arm and a leg for it, but nobody's complaining :\
Nifty Hats...Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by Tylahedras
I agree, if you don't like it don't use it. But there's nothing wrong with telling Bethesda WHY you're not using it. I think it's pretty clear I like the game, I am simply insulted that they want my 70$ and then if I buy 10 nifty hats I've spent over 100. I think that's ludicrous. I think Bethesda should know I think that's ludicrous. If Bethesda is really a consumer oriented company, then they will want to know I think that's ludicrous. See what I'm getting at?
Its the potential trend that matters and who you exclude...Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by Firf
First, many folks, primarily youngsters, will not be able to afford or get permission to buy these items. Why not offer these simply to gain customer loyalty and to add replay value and variety? Isn't that what XBox Live! is all about? Spending dollars on a full game download is one thing. If game manufacturers are looking to this as base line research, it may be flawed. Why? Because many may do this one because it is the first of its kind offered. Once they get it (spending their dollars), find that it has truly limited value, then it is the next ones that are offered that will really fail. In the meantime, we lose out on the additional fun because we choose not to pay as a matter or principle or really evaluating the 'value' of the addition. Do we want to influence a trend whereby the intial release of games lack features because manufacturers want to make a few more dollars by adding the items later? Do we want to change XBox Live! downloadables to be acceptable to charge for what should likely be add-ons to increase replay value and to gain loyalty for future releases by the same company? Will GRAW eventually charge for a cool new gun that gives you an advantage over those that don't? Will this trend only apply to single player whereby it won't effect the equal playing ground? Will PC games also now have to face what has always been free to a pay model? Will PC map mods start to have marketplaces where people now sell them instead of giving them out for free? Where does it end? A simple concept is it not. We may be starting a trend here that we will regret in the very near future. I would argue that customer loyalty is more important than a few more bucks here and there. Additionally, some may actually be turned off and will not buy future games based on priciple. P.S. If they make a bunch of money off the downloads, can we expect the next game release to be less than the standard $60? I'll bet not...
I'm kicking myselfPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by Netaria
for not getting the PC version...I had thought with the xbox live abilities that Bethesda would provide some free content to ease the woes of the 360 playing community. Silly me. Well, atleast NWN2 is coming out this summer. Plenty of happy user content there. Not to mention it's actually made for the PC as opposed to being a clunky port from the 360. I stand by what I said before though, if they want to charge for something closer to a mini-expansion then fine, but I'm sure as **** not paying money for horse armor or a Wizard's Tower... If they want to make that free I'll download it or if they roll it into a larger package. (Like, a set of matching armor, horse armor, and neato 'house'.) I am seriously kicking myself for not buying the PC version though, I guess I'll waite until it is cheap and pick it up. By then the mod community will have a ton of great content for free.
Re: GiGa_GirlPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by oddjob914
Is it really necessary to have three comments in a row responding to three different people while ultimately you're saying the same exact thing? On top of that, I don't think you are even getting the point of these "microtransactions". To some people, Oblivion isn't a complete game because Bethesda could have taken out various knick-knacks from the game to sell them over Xbox Live Marketplace. Now, the horse armor may just be labeled as "extra content" by Bethesda to trick gamers into thinking that it is extra content when, in truth, it should have been included in Oblivion to begin with. In other words, Bethesda is abusing the power Microsoft gave to them in order to make some quick and effortless cash. Then again, the horse armor could, in fact, be extra content. But, I find it rather suspicious that the horse armor became available mere weeks after Bethesda released Oblivion. It's suspicious because, to me, it leaves the impression that Bethesda created the content as Oblivion was still in development and extracted it from the game. If the company wanted to make it a little more believable, they should have released more extra content a month or two after Oblivion went on sale. To all you Xbox haters out there: I can guarantee that Sony/Nintendo will do the same thing when they see how much Microsoft is profiting off taking advantage of unsuspecting and/or rich gamers.
Storm in a tea-cup.Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by CheekyLee
So, let me see if I've got this straight. Bethesda make this absolutely fantastic game. And, they charge people for it. Nobody complains. They release a special collectors edition of the game, for the hardcore, and charge a little extra for a little extra. Not anything new gameplay-wise, no, just extra non-essential things. Again, nobody complains. Now, they release some special shiny new-stuff, which is just a bonus, and is not needed at all to play the game. And, they charge for this stuff. And everybody complains. There is no such thing as a free lunch, people. Bethesda are trying to make a living, same as anyone else. They don't need to do anything outside of release a working game, and rake in the cash from the thousands of people who are already snapping it up. For them to take the time to make bonus content available is above and beyond the call of duty. Why the hell should they give you this stuff for free? When the desingers themselves tell you not to buy it, then you have to do the smart thing and heed their advice. But, get used to it, because this is the future. And, it's no different to what happens in every other industry. Advertising has gotten EXTREMELY good at making us want things we don't need, and so we continue to spend more and more on luxuries. Games are catching up.
Waste of time....... start working on expansions!!!!Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by Pegasus_fire
That is where the $$$$$ is. not in small amounts of content!!! start working on expansions with all your nice stuff in it and relese it all at once
Maybe I won't buy the game.Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by mayor gamer
I mean, look, does Bethesda really want us to believe that with all the hype and fandom that the Elder Scrolls series makes that the production costs warrant such a cheap attempt at our extra cash? I already don't like the idea of MMORPGS where they charge you for the game, but then make you pay to play. I understand the concept that the servers costs lost of money. Fine, charge the monthly fee, but give us the game for free, or to cover production costs...$3 or less. But this....what is this leading to? Magic the Gathering type perpetual pay per essential update? Buy one set of cards and then if you ACTUALLY want to play and have any use of the game, then you MUST buy more. Right now, sure it is some armour or a hat. next it will be that you will buy the engine, but you have to buy the NPC's that you need to interact with or in stores you will be required to actually pay for items and weapons with REAL LIFE money. This doesn not sound so far fetched to me, and the meer idea that they want to charge us for these little upgrade makes me a bit sick. I think I am going to stay away from the game entirely now, even though I was looking forward to it. I respect games, why are they starting to disrespect me?
"Don't buy it" is not the point.Posted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by retro_x
I don't think an argument such as "don't buy it" is valid, at all. I know we're not forced into buying it, but having a price on something that is essentially worthless isn't an extremely smart move. Xbox360 owners have already spent an extra $10 (or $20 if you got the CE) on Oblivion, and now they expect us (not being forced) to pay for something that could (and should) have been free or included in the game? I would understand if they included a few quests along with the horse armor, that I would happily pay 200 points, or $2.50, for because I know it will lengthen my game time and not 'pretty' up my horse. (which I end up losing anyways) Sorry, but hearing the words "You don't have to buy it" coming from Peter Hines is very disappointing.
PC Mod community OWNZ youPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by shadowofomioc
Yeah, this is pathetic stuff here. It takes about a week for the Mod community to come out with tons better stuff for Oblivion then stupid horse armor. And hey, entire game mods are completely free. How amazing. But a single piece of armor that does nothing for noone costs money? Sad.
The idiots should have charged for a patchPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by scavengerspc
Many a disgusted PC gamers would probably have just thrown their hands in the air in disgust and paid $2.50 for a patch to at least partially heal this busted and broken piece of shit.
What's on my mind nowPosted: Apr 05, 2006 12:00AM PST by Ge0sigma
Got to love reading all these negative comments that sounds like it's the end of the world. How does something really trouble you, when you have the option to purchase it or not. So it's horse armor, fabulous? Nope. If they released some extra that is worthwhile to download, but you have to purchase it, then I would then see a "reason" to complain to Bethesda to be forced to buy something to add maybe 1-2 hours of gameplay significance. But as for horse armor, I find it comical that everyone complains about paying $2.50 for something that is not worth purchasing. Ex: "$2.50 for some armor on a horse that I hardly use?! WTF man? That's just utter bull... wait. Why am I complaining over armor that I'm not going to purchase anyways? Why do I feel beleaguered and disconcert?" However, I guess hardcore Oblivion players wouldn't mind paying for horse armor and helping Bethesda out. Good for you then, you have fortitude. If you don't like it, then good for you too.
to activate ur game please deposit 25 centsPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by rachelmoore55
this is leading down the wrong yet inevitable road. in the near future ull probably buy a game and then have to pay sum sort of nominal fee to activate it. that way even if u let ur friends borrow it or if u rent it the rich will keep getting richer and the poor etc etc. theyll justify it by #1 telling u how little it is to pay for such a wonderful experience, #2 to collect $ theyll say is rightfully theirs when u rent or borrow and #3 to help prevent pirating. they will hide behind the guise of fairness and equity when in reality they will be nickle and diming us to death. all of this... always on...stuff is really staring to make sense.......isnt it? :P
I knew it!!Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by redeye-jedi
First they charge 60 bucks now they charge more money for stupid shit that should have been in the game in the first place!!!!!!!!!!! All this "microtransaction" shit is gonna boil down to is development companies only releasing part of the game to get it out by the release date and then making you pay for the rest as their continued development moves along! It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see somebody release a game and then in order to see the ending or get the special item or weapon you need to make it past a level only available for sale through this microtransaction ripoff bullshit! DAMN YOU BILL GATES AND YOUR PYRAMID BUSINESS SCHEMES! AND DAMN ANY GAMER THAT FALLS FOR THIS CRAP!!! Listen people now is the time to act. If this seems unfair to you don't buy it and they will stop doing it!! It worked with the Virtua Boy and 32x! Nobody bought so it flopped!
how bout just a patchPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by TenaciousCK
how bout just a patch
knock knock knock don't buy itPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by xtraman
well if you think bout what happened to sega during the dreamcast era, with all the free downloads and look where it got them. it does suck that they are charging 2.50 for 360 owners, when they had to pay bout 60 bucks for the damm game. the only way that microsoft and other software companies will learn to not charge for downloads and not charge so much for games; is we shouldn't buy it... but thats a duh.. i know it's goin to be hard to do, but... is it worth it? thats what you have to ask yer self...
why?!?!Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by DEA_Logan
why wouldnt i support this? this is whole idea of xbox live marketplace to buy stuff , whether is meaningful or completly useless u think everything is gonna be free demo's, free movies and trailers?? dont like it? please be quiet u like it? show ur support as for me, i wanna ride around in cool horse armor, im rich, b!tch !!! oh and everyone has to buy street fighter when it comes out
Erg....Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Halofreak
You know if im going to shell out some of my own hard earned money for a game I already paid for then I expcet it to pretty damn special, like, um a new guild or some new quests, but not a stupid pair of pants! Its pretty much as stupid as the Kameo costumes. Do they help improve the game? No. Do they give you any advantages? No. But, you'll look pretty. Oh, ok then, because I really care what my character is wearing, where in 99.9% of games I dont, heck if I did then I wouldnt play games like, well basicly just about any RPG. Jeese, when I pay 60 bucks for a game I dont expect to have to pay more for some stupid little add ons, especially with all the problems with the game. Erg, the entire 360 system is starting to tick me off besides that, what with the constant freezing, the small game library with actually good games, oh and the entire fact that Peter Moore exists.
don't see the pointPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Netaria
I suppose I could understand paying for 'special' content if it was an MMO or if you could play it with anyone else at all, but not for it to just be me, all by myself...especially for fluff. If they add new quests and new areas to explore, like a mini-expansion, that I would pay for, but not just to have a 'neat house' or 'pretty armor.' If I had purchased the PC version I'd also point out that I can make 'pretty armor,' a 'neat house,' and even new npc's and quests myself. Unfortunately, my computer is not up to it atm, so I have the 360 version. What I think sucks about this is that the Bethesda made content is all we 360 users have available to us. So if we want to add anything to the game we Have to buy through the Live Marketplace. >.< I dislike feeling backed into a corner in that manner. Especially knowing that if I had been able to purchase the PC version I could upload neat user made content for free.
don't support this............Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by duffman0516
What was said in the article is very true. This is just the start incomplete games. I will bet any amount that there will be Halo 3 outfits that would be included in the game up on Xbox Live for $3 the week after it is released. If this armor that is on live and their site for sale allready why wasnt it in the game to begin with? They are just trying to cash in on us!! So, All gamers should unite and turn our backs on this. DON'T BUY ANY STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS!! It's the only way we can make sure they we get soild complete products.
I'd buy it, but...Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by graf1k
My unicorn AND Shadowmere both got themselves killed like fucking morons by running off all the time. Well, Shadowmere isn't confirmed dead, but I haven't seen him in days. Find my horse. There's Septims in it for ya, bitches!
Why spend extra?!?!?!.....Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by K1LLSWITCH
I never understood paying extra for another online service just to play video games. In order to play online with any Xbox title the player needs to spend extra money to play their Halo or download their extra armor, in this case,for Oblivion online, when it could be used in the gas tank, or for food. What they should of done, and I believe Sony will do this, is to have the online capabilities free. Open to the public. But if we want to have the bells and whistles then we have to pay for it. But in this case with Oblivion, I wouldn't spend money on two items either. Now if they offered five items for the $2.50 price, I'd do it. To compare Oblivion on both the PC and the 360, I don't see much difference. Only difference is online. So I don't understand, again, why games on the 360 are hiked up to $60. The development companies these days have well over 1000 people working for them, it's not like these companies are hiring more people because they only have a few hundred employee's. They have the man power, why do they need more of our money. Sounds like an excuse to me. I'd hate to see how much the new maps will be. $30? ouch.
I fear change!Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Honest_Abe
Somebody is doing something in a new and different way?!?! Eeek!! I fear change!! Please go back to the old way!!! I have the option of downloading an extra costume for a few bucks?? But I don't have to?!?! This makes me feel so uneasy just like back when we switched from feudalism to capitalism! STOP. These greedy game designers need to stop being innovative and trying new things!! They need to just STOP. I like things the way they are. There should be a rule that things have to stay the way they are. If anyone does anything new, I'm gonna FREAK OUT!!!
since we paid $60 it should be freePosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Profanis756
if pc owners dont like it, they can always boot up the editor and make some and we are stuck without..Though the point is if we pay $10 more why do we pay for this content...its a shame for something alot of people have be waiting for and so many have worked on for so long there is alot of bitching..and this applies to before this content was released...perhaps if it was for a bunch of stuff maybe for 2.50? dont know.. thats just my opinion
cost of development?Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by RatchetCooper
When we are already paying 10 more dollars for xbox 360 games? My ass. This is the cost of greed.
How about a patch first?Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Doug_BlueFang
Making extra content available is all fine and good, but how about a patch first to help with some of the performance issues and bugs that mar what is otherwise a great game? That would certainly be greatly appreciated by many besides myself.
LAME!!Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by bangrabowski
I shelled out $75 on the collectors edition, and I still have to pay for extras that are cosmetic only? That is the biggest crock of shit ever!! Boo to you Bethesda, you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. I would love to have the shiny new armor on my horse, but I'll be damned if I shell out any more money for it!!! That's rediculous!!! Freakinig money grubbing, assholes!!!!
Boooooo!!!!Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by da_berzerker
This is not good! Bethesda is becoming greedy!
Paying for Episodic Content?Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by LittleBuster99
I think that this is a great step forward, it is going to ensure the quality of the episodic content. sure it would be nice to be free, but what would the incentive be for the designer to make these extras worthwhile? If people don't pay for addons, then the companies will know that they need to make them worth the 2-3 dollars. This way, the fickle consumer will become sort of a quality control, that will end up making this extra content totally worthwhile!!
Cost of development.Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by sudoh_kyoichi
We are paying $10 more for games now and in mine and others cases $20 more for Oblivion. Yeah, I will express my disagreement about this buy not buying it. But, that doesn't make me not pissed off.
I was worried about being nickle and dimedPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Danoblaster
how i'm going to get dollared to death. this is not what i would consider a "micro" transaction
Scope of content is all wrong!Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by djll
It's simple really... people will only buy something that's worth the price tag. For $1.99/$2.50 you expect more than what they're offering. It'd be a better move, and also bring in higher profits for Bethesda, if they focused on larger expansions. Think something around the scope of a new town and a few new dungeons, complete with a few new NPCs, items, and quests... doesn't require any new art, or code, just a little scripting and design. Sure it'd take more time, but it'd be nothing in comparison to the actual development time of a larger expansion. For something around that scope I'd be willing to pay approx $12. Which I think is very realistic from both the perspective of the end-user and Bethesda. They need to get their act together and think about what they're doing. Over-priced add-ons don't do it for the majority of gamers, especially PC gamers.
lets not blame microtransactionsPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by chaos and mayhem
the developer is always the one to blame. Any additon to the game that lands on microtransaction shold be at the most 50 cents if alone and only up to 8 bucks in a pack. Everyone that downloaded stuff on XBOX live before the point systesm knows what I'm talking about. With downloadable games like Geomotry Wars costing 4 bucks, it it is really stupid to charge more than half the price of a arcade game for 1 piece of cloathing for your horse. It is not an item of real importance, it is not a map, it is not a weapon, its just crap, and anyone that is actually fooled into buying this will be the same idiots that will be conned into buying a sniper rifle for a war game.
billyrayearl kinda has a pointPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by XtremeGmr4life
I am still going to stick to what I said though. If you want something bad enough you will shell out the dough for it. I also would like to see my horse in some kind of armor though but at what price? Me I am one of those stingy Uncle Scrooge types when it comes to my cash. Well stingy unless it comes to video games of course lol. I can see myself paying for some new quest and maps though. 2.50 could be a bit of a stretch for a game item just varies from person to person I guess. As I think though I did also spend 5 bucks on a value meal on the way to work though so which is worse? Speaking of which boss is on her way and I have to get out of here. I personally feel single items like this should be packaged with something bigger like quest or maps. Its good though that Bethesda did reply with what they did by saying it helps them determine what to put out and what to charge. I don't remember Rare saying anything about those Kameo skins. I just hope as time progresses we will see bigger and better things worth our money.
Blame higher cost of developmentPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by kamrantu
All the developers seem to be facing this problem. So far the solutions are: 1. Raise game price. Which they have done with the XBox 360 and seems like they will do with the PS3. 2. Include in-game advertizing. Which might fit in some games... but probably not in game like Oblivion. 3. Release game in episodes. This game model will be tested in the upcoming SiN and Bone games. 4. Charge for additional customization with costume/item downloads like Kameo and now Oblivion. 5. Collector/Limited editions at slightly higher cost with addtional packaging etc. So long as the additional revenue generators are optional I think option #4 and #5 above are the better options. Option #2 is the worse in my opinion. Option #3 is something where they might charge you overall $100+ for single game over time... or something where the game is always ending on a cliff-hanger.
Downloadable content is still in its infancy though...Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by sharktastic
These microtransactions, as well as episodic content (like the Half-Life 2 expansions and SiN Episodes coming through Steam) are just beginning to take off. So the pricing structure and the nature of the content is all over the map. Sure there have been mods around forever, and the odd download via XBox Live since its inception, but has it really had the infrastructure like this before? It's a whole new ball game. As more and more publishers and developers dole out microtransaction-worthy content, the pricing structure will start to take a more logical shape. As for the notion of "incomplete games being shipped", don't you think that'd make bad business sense? Nobody's going to pay $60 for 2/3 of a game, especially if they end up having to shell out another $20 for the other third. Then again, not all of you sound like the sharpest knives in the drawer, so I should never say never. What this does mean though, is that games won't have to go through 5-6 years of development. Feasibly they could put together a budget title in a relatively short time, sell it for, say, $30, and start putting together the additional content after the fact. If people are content with what they got for $30, they don't download anything. If they want to squeeze more gameplay out of that budget title, they can download $10 or $15 add ons. Developers with tight budgets and/or tighter deadlines would be crazy not to consider this model.
AgreedPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Edgemaster_21
I agree that charging for skins and clothing items is lame. I would only pay for extra maps for a game.
the armor is very sparkly; well worth my 2.50Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by halolover#1
I didn't actually buy it, but might.
Dont need it......Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by SecretAnswer42
....in my game. Oblivion is one of the best games I have played in years. Right up there with HL2 and FEAR. This game is a great experience by itself without all that measely DLed content. Why would I want horse armor anyway? Its best if you just run around everywhere and build your stats to raise your levels. Add on packs will be coming probably for 20 or 30 bucks and there will be a myriad of new armor and caves and such in them. There always is. So the answer is simple. Dont buy the chincy s*&t and save your duckets for the expansion packs.
Micotransactions=End of Video GamesPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by !Wissy!
Maybe not completely but it is not helping video games. If a company puts out something for microtransactions, they need to put a price that is equivalent to the content of the game. If you gets tons or armor in the game for $60 then why make someone pay 2-3% for one thing of armor.
2.50 isn't a "micro transaction". It's 2 Jr. bacon cheeseburgers.Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by CosmoKramer1976
.25 to .99 = Microtransaction 2.50 for armor for a horse that I never ride? Maybe if I send them the coin that came in my ESIV box they'll send me a code. You think the 10 extra bones would've included some horse armor.
I'm not against paying for downloads, but....Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by LukeBeSaucy
they need to have more stuff, like bundle awhole lot and then sell it for $2.50. That'd be ok.
I'm with "XtremeGmr4life"Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by meriwether
I have to give props to my man DeShawn, if you don't like it, say it with your wallet!
I saw this coming three miles away and 6 years agoPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by atrimus
its not really an issue of &quot;if you don't want it, don't buy it.&quot; the problem is that people actually &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; want that 'nifty' hat, but they feel that they shouldn't have to pay for it, especially since they've already shelled out $400+ for the system and $60+ for the game itself. paying extra for episodic content is one thing, but paying extra for extra items (at a 5-10% premium of the base game price) is another. ....wait a minute. we actually have a thread where b*tches aren't screaming PS3/XBox 360/Revo sux!? i guess its still kinda early in the day for all that. the school children just got outa recess and haven't gotten home yet to hop on the net.
Incomplete gamesPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Tha_King
when is this going to end up like a an arcade in our homes? See please insert credit card number to play the next level on the TV. The micro-transactions might not be bad yet but it will become a problem if they start shipping incomplete games to charge us more....I mean shit you already paid $60 or $70 for the game which is a lot and then they want to charge another $2 or $3 for some extra bullshit....they should be rewarding us for buying the game in the first place
Only bad if...Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by mitjmac
I'm okay with downloadable content that as long as the company is releasing a game that is complete. If companies begin releasing incomplete games with major bugs in them and then start charging for updates I would be angry. Or if a game like Oblivion had only a few quest and cities to visit or was missing a major guild and I was required to buy it then I would be mad. if companies can strike a balance of cool items and optional quest then go for the gold. Other wise complete the game and polish it befor shipping it.
Don't buy 'emPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Phat-Albert
I don't like the idea at all, but at the least they give you the option. They're not forcing you to buy any extra content, regardless if it's a new town or a "nifty hat." Let them add whatever they want. I won't spend my money of useless content such as armor, and hopefully the masses won't buy into it either.
Fascinating...Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by futurebiblehero
I'm not buying that the rising cost of development is indeed so steep that they're barely making ends meet with $60 and $70 games. Also, adding a single dungeon or tower is rarely this massive undertaking that it's made out to be (or else you wouldn't even have competition from the modding community). Even a download costing 50 cents to a single dollar would add up to more than enough pay for the handful working on the addition. Still, I'm not entirely averse to paying for new content. I paid for the premium modules that Bioware offered for Neverwinter Nights, because they were worth it. If this is any indication, right now the price / value ratio with Oblivion needs a little tweaking.
You wanted it,and now you got it!Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by MicroGates
I don't believe that people are complaining about a measly 200 points for an upgrade.It's considered a premium,which means it's optional.So if you don't like it,then dont buy it (And that way we dont have to hear you complain!).And so people dont think that this is just a developer/Microsoft issue,you mine as well get used to this cause Sony is going to be pulling the same shit (They had the nerve to charge $25-$30 for a UMD,I can't wait to see what they charge for a downloadable movie!)
Buy it if you like it...don't if you think it's stupidPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by lunaclown
That's the bottom line. If you feel that this paticular downloadable content isn't worth it to you or your wallet then don't purchase it. If I ever feel that something they offer on the marketplace isn't what I want to pay for then I , get this, don't buy it. wow...genius.
I must agree...Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by ArchangelSeven
Should we allow capitalism to affect gaming in such a way that it causes an inferior product that is only made satisfactory by more purchases? Online marketing could very well develop this scenario. The problem is that capitalism is becoming a win/lose market rather than a win/win market. I doesn't pay to hurt or take advantage of your clients. They will feel less inclined to purchase your product if someone else offers a product that is of the same quality and costs less. I think that we as the customers are entitled to some of these additions at no cost. I doubt it cost Bethseda much to develop a horse upgrade. If small online upgrades are to cost, they should be quarters, not dollars. Its not like they added a new section to Cyradil or town. I really think the cost is the result of "Shark" capitalism.
Again, if you don't want it, don't buy it!Posted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by jgibson75
No one is putting a +15 Fire Damage Crossbow to your head to make you buy it... and like they said, they are testing out different ideas to see what works and what doesn't. I expect better content to come in time... but as I said, only buy what you want, and if you don't want it at all, don't buy it. Me? I bought it. I like it. I'm not saying I'll buy everything. No way. But I like having options available to me to expand the content of my games.
Good readPosted: Apr 04, 2006 12:00AM PST by Geemrio
At least they're aware of the problem. I really hope it doesn't go as well as they plan, I personally find it pretty stupid. Not only are they charging too much, but what you actually get is just kind of...stupid. I'll pay when you give me some content worth buying.


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I'm building Pylons-based web application with RESTful API, which currently lacks any authentication. So I'm going to implement that and in order to avoid all the trouble and caution with storing user passwords, I'd like to use OpenID for authentication. What would be the best way to do this? Are these two things compatible? Are there existing REST APIs that use OpenID that I can take inspiration from?
I've now spent some time researching the options and would like to summarize the findings. First, a little bit more context -- I develop and control both the service and API consumer. Consumer is Flash-based app that is served from the same host the API is now and is supposed to be used in browser. No third party clients in sight yet.
So the question can be divided in two parts,
For first part, OpenID authentication almost always includes interactive steps. During the authentication process there will most likely be a step where user is in OpenID provider's web page, signing in and pressing some "I agree" button. So API cannot and shouldn't handle this transparently (no "tell me your OpenID provider and password and I'll do the rest"). Best it can do is pass forth and back HTTP links that client has to open and follow instructions.
Maintaining "authenticated" state
REST APIs should be stateless, each request should include all the information needed to handle it, right? It wouldn't make any sense to authenticate against OpenID provider for each request, so some kind of session is neccessary. Some of the options for communicating session key (or "access token" or username/password) are:
There's just one API consumer right now, so I chose to go for simplest thing that could possibly work -- cookies. They are super-easy to use in Pylons, with help of Beaker. They also "just work" in the Flash app -- since it runs inside browser, browser will include relevant cookies in the requests that Flash app makes -- the app doesn't need to be changed at all with respect to that. Here's one StackOverflow question that also advocates using cookies: RESTful authentication for web applications
Beaker also has nice feature of cookie-only sessions where all session data is contained in the cookie itself. I guess this is about as stateless as it gets. There is no session store on server. Cookies are signed and optionally encrypted to avoid tampering with them in client side. The drawback is that cookie gets a bit bigger, since it now needs to store more than just session key. By removing some stuff I didn't really need in the session (leftovers from OpenID authentication) I got the cookie size down to about 200 bytes.
OAuth is a better fit for API usage. Here's an example of OAuth in use in Python: oauth-python-twitter. Leah Culver's python-oauth library is the canonical implementation of OAuth in Python, but python-oauth2 is a recent contender that is getting some buzz. As for inspiration, django-piston has support for using OAuth to do auth when creating RESTful APIs for Django, though the documentation isn't as nice as I'd like for that particular topic.
If you build API, you could check OAuth protocol. It's complementary to OpenID.


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Hatch Show Print, country music landmark, finds new home
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Its roots can be traced back over a century ago to a spot just a hop, skip and jump from the Twin Cities. And on Monday, the venerable Nashville poster shop Hatch Show Print announced that it's on the move again, this time to the Country Music Hall of Fame. Established in 1879, Hatch Show Print is believed to be the oldest active poster print shop in the country.
Currently located in downtown Nashville, it's known for its posters for the Grand Ole Opry, which for the last seven-plus decades has been one of its most famous clients. Hatch Show's characteristic woodblock prints are striking in their minimalism, and have inspired a resurgence of a medium you today see everywhere from big-city rock concert flyers to every-hipster-you-know's wedding invitation. And it all started across the river in Prescott, Wisconsin.
It was in that river town that reverend and businessman William H. Hatch ran his own print shop, and apprenticed his sons, Charles R. and Herbert H., in the craft of letterpress printmaking. In 1875, William moved the family to Nashville and shortly thereafter, his sons founded CR and HH Hatch at what is now the corner of Fifth and Deaderick, between the State Capitol and the town's famous Printer's Alley. It was there that they printed what is believed to be their first 6x9 handbill - an ad for an April 1879 appearance at the Grand Opera House by Rev. Henry Ward Beecher, famed abolitionist and brother of writer Harriet Beecher Stowe.
Over the years, the shop printed posters for everything from baseball games, vaudeville shows, and country and jazz concerts to ads for grocery stores, filling stations and movie theaters, and in 1921, Charles' son Will T. Hatch took over the family business, moving it to 116 Fourth Avenue North, right behind the Ryman Auditorium. Within a decade, Hatch posters could be seen on barns and storefronts all over the region. The business went into decline after Will Hatch died in 1952, and after changing hands several times, Hatch Show Print experienced a revival when then-owner Gaylord Entertainment donated it to the Country Hall of Fame and Museum, moving it to its current location on Broadway in 1992 when its previous location was to be razed.
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On Monday, Hatch Show Print announced what is likely to be its last move for a good long while. This time, it'll be moving into a new, custom-designed space within the expanded Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum just up the street.
"Hatch Show Print's move to our expanding museum campus is the logical next step in our decades-long effort to preserve the shop," said Museum Director Kyle Young in a press release. "Hatch, founded in 1879, is one of the oldest letterpress print shops in the U.S., and is synonymous with Southern entertainment, particularly early country music stars. It is entirely fitting that the shop, with its venerable history and invaluable collection of carved wood blocks, will reside permanently at the museum. For more than 20 years, the museum has labored to safeguard Hatch and its legacy, and this is the culmination of that work. The shop has changed locations seven times over its 133-year history; now it will have a 'forever' home."
"Hatch will continue to operate as it always has," said Young. "In its new space on the museum's first floor, Hatch will have an expanded production area with an adjacent retail site. Floor-to-ceiling glass windows on one wall of the production space will allow visitors to watch as designers lay out type and print posters on the letterpresses. We'll even have a dedicated design space where Hatch staff can offer hands-on demos to visitors at designated times."
If you want to check out the shop in its existing digs, a little old building at 316 Broadway, you'll have 'til the end of 2013 to do so - just be careful not to let the cat out. But if you can't make it to Nashville before then, don't be too disappointed.
While the building itself is charming and has some twenty years of history under its roof, a timeframe during which it's gone from annual earnings of $12,000 to $750,000 and welcomed some 30,000 visitors a year, the business is of course not in its original spot, and the Hall of Fame will guarantee the equipment and collections it holds - some dating back to 1879 - are kept well-preserved for letterpress geeks and country music fans to enjoy for years to come. More importantly, this move will ensure that Hatch maintains its important place in country music history, just down the stairs from Mother Maybelle Carter's 1928 Gibson guitar and Bill Monroe's 1923 Gibson F-5 mandolin.
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