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Skip to comments.Egypt Government Paints Opponents as Terrorists; U.S. Journalists Targeted
Posted on 08/17/2013 4:23:07 PM PDT by kristinn
Egyptian presidential advisor Mustafa Hegazy described them as remnants of religious fascism that once governed the nation. The police called them infidels as they cleared a mosque Saturday where they were either hiding or shooting, depending on which side you listened to. Newscasters referred to them as armed gunmen.
And on the streets of Cairo, in front of the latest clashes, nearby residents used the terms animals, barbarians, and terrorists to describe supporters of ousted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi.
It is why so many shrug at word that at least 1,042 people have been killed since June 26, according to an AFP count. It is why so many Egyptians support the governments continued deadly crackdown of members of the Muslim Brotherhood, the secret organization through which Morsi ascended to the presidency. Over and over again, government officials, the media and now everyday Egyptians repeat the same message: supporters of the ousted regime are enemies of the state, killing security forces in an effort to destroy the nation.
What are the police supposed to do when armed men are attacking them? Said a reporter covering a government press conference. They have no choice. They are defending Egypt.
For those opposed to military rule, dying for the cause of returning their democratic right to govern or in retribution for those killed is an act of Islamic martyrdom. The Brotherhood exploits every death, every clash, portraying themselves as victims.
The result is an Egypt turning into a battleground between willing assassins and willing martyrs. Those against the military believe they are defending Islam and a democratic election they prevailed in a year ago that was undone by the Morsis military ouster. Those who support the military believe that by securing the state from armed Islamists.
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Bammy is a MuzzieBro and he and his minions (like the US LSM) are therefore Terrorists (Jihadis) too.
I have never seen such human rights atrocities in my life. Hey. Morsi WAS ELECTED. fair and square. After the military COUP, the army has now killed over 1000 and wounded 5000 civilians protesting the overthrow of democracy in the largest democracy in the Middle East in a slaughter of humanity not seen since Stalin. This is beyond belief. Why did Hillary overthrow our friend Mubarak!!!
That's odd...
Egypt says "NO!" to Sharia...
yet, an federal judge says "YES!!" to sharia (for Oklahoma).
Sounds like a win-win!
The Egyptians know that the one sure thing about the American media is that it has an agenda, and will distort, mangle, lie or completely ignore the truth to further that agenda. American journalists have their marching orders from Obama, and it's not to do anything that will harm the image of the Muslim Brotherhood or make our foreign policy to appear as incoherent as it is.
It appears the generals are killing the right people.
I have never seen such human rights atrocities in my life.
Nor have I..
I wish Morsi and his cut throat Islamist terrorists who call themselves the Moslem Brotherhood would stop murdering defenseless Christians and burning down their homes and churches..
The human rights atrocities committed by Morsi and his Moslem Brootherhood must be stopped somehow..
Do you think Obama will send in US troops to help the Egyptian military ???
Morsi and his terrorist gang are such animals that they even hide in mosques and shoot people outside..
While Morsi and his evil empire are not raping women in the streets anymore, they are still going to the homes of Christians and kidnapping the young Christian girls..
something must be dont to save the innocent victims from Morsi and his Islamic fanatical hordes..
Thank goodness Morsi has been overthrown by the people ..
I bet you never lived in the Middle East. Unless your post is sarcastic in the nature, Egypt is no way was or will be democratic country. Fair elections? Most of the population have an IQ in the low double digits. You can buy their votes with a carton of eggs. Anyway ,you deserve Darwin Award.
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Hello, newbie.
Yo sad,
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You can't compare Egyptian politics to ours or their understanding of what Democracy is when we are a Republic.....they are still infants in learning what that means and it isn't just about 'Ballot theocracy' which to Morsi and his cluster of followers means if you win you "RULE" and that by Shariah Law...which opposed their constitution...so he changed the constitution!
You need to review how it came about that even Morsi's own cabinet were trying to work around him because they knew he was pulling the nation in a direction the people did not want to go.
Hitler also was elected you know....and had Morsi continued to do what the Muslim Brotherhoods agenda was for him and those like him he was appointing ,they would be moving fast now to an Islamic state.
SiSi spent months attempting to convince Morsi to balance his agenda...he refused time and again.....and further it became clear to the admistration Morsi wasn't operating with all his marbles connecting....Leaders who met with him also noticed this clearly
So it isn't about "Ballotocracy"....it's about protecting a nation from hands who were choosing to destroy it's freedom. The people spoke and the Military agreed to support them.
MTW Whoever has the Presidency in Egypt will have to have the Militaries support......the people are too violent and emotional based yet...but they are learning otherwise.
Morsi's guys are picking off police military and many civilians muslims and Christian to make it look like the military dun it. What is the death toll among the Egyptian police? Pretty high
Why do you think civilians are besieging MB protesters in places like that mosque? They needed the military to get them OUT of there alive because civilians the MB has been tormenting have turned vigilante and want to kill then
Yes Morsi and the MB got Egypt into a nice juicy civil war after only one year of the MB trying to actually run a govt instead of just topple one, and the Egyptian man on the street with no tourism job, his govt offices burned by the MB, no food, and no safety for his wife and family is plenty pizzed - at the MB
You have seen such human atrocities in your life if you look around. Last week 1000 people were killed in Iraq-
muslim on muslim
Really? How old are you?
Because of Barack Hussein (I adore dictator Morsi & the Muslim Brotherhood) Obama, Hillary Clinton, Morsi and his terrorist Muslim Brotherhood, etc., most Egyptians no longer have a working economy or jobs!!! The rich, profitable, major job producing, tourist business is dead, thanks to Obama, Clinton and their buddies.
The Egyptian military is laughing and mocking Obama for the dummy that he and his cohorts are. They have learned a valuable lesson from Putin of Russia and the PRC leadership. Obama is a totally useless, empty suit!!! We are the laughing stock and joke of the entire world world. The unfounded, misread comments of this poster show the lack of understanding of the true facts surrounding events in the Middle East
In short, Obama, Clinton & Kerry, etc. have destroyed the little stability that was present there, witness Libya, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc. Obama has destroyed all of them!!! Porr poster is living in the Obama bubble!!! Sad!!!
No, he wasn't, but the rest of your message is on point.
They have learned a lot from the so called palestinian fellow travelers. They can't win the real war because the people know them for what they are so they must try to win the propaganda war outside of their country and have outsiders win power for them.
"the army has now killed over 1000 and wounded 5000 civilians protesting the overthrow of democracy'
You've deliberately ignored the fact that 43 police have been slaughtered by the MB, not to mention all of the churches and government buildings burned by the MB. Oh yeah, and the fact that they're using minarets as sniper towers.
This is simply a civil war between Muslim terrorists who tried to impose Shiria law on an unwilling population, and a new government that resulted when literally millions of Egyptians poured into the streets to overthrow their tormentors.
Apparently you'd be much happier if Egypt became another Afghanistan, ruled by their own version of the Taliban.
Wish the people in this country had the guts to rise up like that and pour into the streets by the tens of millions to demand the ouster of Dictator Obama.
Hey, noob - I've seen you posting lying propaganda about Egypt on FR recently.
You need to shut your trap and read the truth on the Live Egypt thread, which I provided to you recently. Why don't you want to know the truth? Did you sign on to FR to push the MB lies or what?
Hey, noob - I've seen you posting lying propaganda about Egypt on FR recently.
You need to shut your trap and read the truth on the Live Egypt thread, which I provided to you recently. Why don't you want to know the truth? Did you sign on to FR to push the MB lies or what?
TOL - I do believe there's a live one here. Just had an interesting comment deleted, too.
Oops. Don't know why it posted twice.
I gave this person a link and some facts either yesterday or the day before.
Not interested in facts. It's interested in repeating MB/0thugga type lying propaganda.
I say "live one".
Yeah and HAMAS was elected in "Palestine". Egypt banned the Muslim Brotherhood for decades (DUH) and for good reason. But when the wheels came off, the MB had the ground game to win the elections. Once in power they proved to the the epitome of the old saying about Arab elections "One Man, One Vote, One Time."
"Not seen since Stalin"... your grasp of history is... inadequate.
THANK YOU! I can't believe how many people still think that. In fact in the last free elections in the Weimar Republic, the Nazis were routed. But Hitler worked behind the scenes to engineer a coup, that brought the Nazis to power.
Does this mean...I might be....IBTZ??? I've never done that! :I)
You're welcome. The fact of the matter is that Hitler never won an election in which he personally stood as a candidate.
Yes, but you must call "IBTZ" before the actual ZOT! Go for it, sweetie!
LOL! Maybe someday I'll "get" all the rules right! :)
How are you doin'! I miss you...and the others!
It's too long between shoots, isn't it. You and I will have to spend some more porch monkey time together.
Bryan and I are doing well. He's about to buy a John Deere lawn tractor to replace our old Cub Cadet,
which should have been a FORD - Fix Or Repair Daily. ;-)
It certainly is too long this time...and I have whined about it. LOL! We really do need to spend more time together! It goes so darn fast when we're there!
Good for him getting a new tractor. Y'all must have quite a large lawn to need a tractor. I'll bet your part of the country is SO pretty!
The lawn is a little over an acre, but the property is uneven and has hills and dales.
On three sides we have five acres of forest, and our little six acre plot is in the midst of huge tracts of farmland where soybeans and corn are the predominant crops.
Sounds very nice! We have about an eighth of an acre! LOL!
A very over the top comment was pulled, but no zots so far...
Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals:
'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Foreign Policy | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military — even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists.
For many years, we have been working toward owning just such a plot of land as this one.
But an eighth acre sounds as if it would be a lot easier to mow, LOL!
In any case, we are both looking forward to the next shoot and seeing all our friends again.
BTW, a "lawn tractor" is not all that big. It's essentially a riding lawn mower with a few bells
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I see that the threads are being truncated again. I hope that you can read this in your pings.
"Morsi WAS ELECTED. fair and square."
Very true, but you forgot the part where he unilaterally declared the power to rule by decree.
"Morsi WAS ELECTED. fair and square."
Very true, but you forgot the part where he unilaterally declared the power to rule by decree.
Felt the poster was just trying to jerk our chains not engage.
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Finished aviator girl portrait, her hair was lots of fun to paint. I didn't picture her as being an actual aviator since she's so young, more like an aspiring one.
Edit: Spent some more time working on this portrait, you can see the old version here
Artwork © Zara Alfonso
You added more curl to her hair in this piece. And she's better looking and more amiable than Amelia Earhart.
This is really good! Did you base her on the Ellie from Up or? :3 She reminds me of her
Nope, she was partially inspired by my little half sister, and a book called Readheads with photography by Uwe Dietz. Ellie has a super awesome character design though!
Great work!
I love the design. Keep up the good work!
omg the hair looks so soft and fun! good job
woahhh thought you only drew really cute chibi things. You're really good that these too!
Love her!
She's so cute. Aviators, even aspiring ones, are cool.
She's adorable! Love the addition of the missing tooth.
wow !!
truly amazing ^^
truly amazing ^^
The vibrant brushstrokes becoming vibrant hair is quite awesome. ;D She's got a sweet outfit to match her profession too~!
I love blurryness and soft colors of your style. And that toothless grin is just adorable!
Thank you, the gap toothed grin was about the only thing that didn't change from start to finish of painting!


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The Braves said Wednesday that Dr. James Andrews reconstructed the ulnar collateral ligament in Medlen's right elbow a day earlier during the procedure at Gulf Breeze, Fla. Medlen is expected to miss the entire season.
Medlen tore his right UCL while pitching against the New Yorl Mets on Aug. 4, 2010, was operated on by Andrews that Aug. 18 and didn't pitch for the Braves again until Sept. 25, 2011.
The 28-year-old right-hander was 15-12 with a 3.11 ERA last year. He left a spring training start against the Mets in the fourth inning on March 9 when he felt forearm pain.
Medlen has a 34-20 record with a 2.95 ERA in five big leagues seasons and is 30-13 in 61 starts.


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CALIFORNIAN: Community Arts for May 31-June 6, 2012
Auditions are 5 to 9 p.m. July 6 and a second round of auditions from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. July 7 from 11 a.m.-2 p.m., with callbacks from 2 to 5 p.m. (if needed). Auditioners may sing a one-minute song of their choice, a monologue, and be prepared for cold readings from the script. Casting concludes with the cast list posted by July 8 via e-mail. The cast consists of adults and children, three males, six females, and extras.
Rehearsals run from July 9-Aug. 12, tech from Aug. 13-16, and performances on Aug. 17-19 and 24-26.
To prepare for auditions, two workshops are offered. The workshop for children in grades 6-12 will be from 9 to 11 a.m. June 11-22 and is designed to help hone essential skills so students are prepared for the demands of a theater production. For younger students, grades K-5, Mrs. Banta, of the Riversprings School, will direct "The Cheese Stands Alone." Classes run 9 to 11 a.m. June 18-July 27.
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Just my opinion and bias I guess.
Just my opinion and bias I guess.
But, we're not talking about folks who are out racing crits here... are we?
That's the underlying message here: just understand what it is you're looking for in terms of your needs, wants, desires and expectations.
Spinergy's are not aero anymore than Topolino's, but neither is my body, clothing or riding position and I'm hardly the exception in our esteemed collection of recreational/sport riders.
I can get a bigger aero bump by wearing a tighter fitting jersey and hitting my drops than I'll ever see out of a set of 80mm deep HEDs, but that's not how I do most of my riding these days.
I do, however, enjoy the very fast acceleration you get with lightweight wheels when starting hard from a dead stop, sprinting out of a corner or jumping up out of the saddle to attack a short, steep climb. But, other than those very brief moments that make up less than a few hundred yards during a 25-30 mile ride, I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between my 1,500 gram Topolino's or my 1,980 gram Deep-V/White Ind wheelset, but the comfort is there all the time with the Topolino's, especially when the pavement's not the best. The Spinergy are in the same realm as the Topolino's when it comes to weight/performance/comfort.
So, at the end of the day Aero's interesting if you can make use of it and is certainly a bigger pay-off if you're trying to go fast at a constant speed over long distance where you don't have the luxury of drafting and can hold a fairly aero riding position otherwise the benefit is lost in the noise level. Light weight is great for frequent, rapid acceleration and climbing which is, after all, nothing but a long series of accelerations for a lot of team that don't climb smoothly, but comfort is all the time and can pay off huge divendends if you spend a lot of time in the saddle.
IMHO, neither the aero or weight benefit of racing wheels will really do long-term good if you use them as your every day wheels. They'll just make it little easier to ride using the same effort you'd use with less slippery or svelt wheels unless you're measuring your power output, heart rate or some other biometric measure as a means of making sure you're working harder and not just piling up mileage. Note: We tend to pile up mileage these days.
So, a the end of the day being fresher and less fatigued may well yield a 1 mph increase in average speed, more so than anything else over the course of a 62 mile hilly... and that's what our friend Jack has described, as did another recent contributor.
I know that I feel a lot fresher after riding 100 miles on my Harley FXDWG than I do after 100 miles on my BMW R1100S... and the same is true of our Calfee vs. the Erickson.
Also, I only see one set of graphs for each ride, so I guess he used the data as a base and then calculated the effects using his model. There have to be some assumptions involved in that process. The first assumption that occurs to me is that his body performs equally when the equipment is changed.
I also wonder what the resolution is on the acceleration data.
It, like so many things I've read with interest, provide insights, opinions, data and even a few facts now and again that help you to challenge your own assumptions, correlate your experiences and draw your own conclusions as they pertain to your cycling interests and needs.
It's good to read and question what you read...
Last edited by TandemGeek; 04-02-13 at 01:26 PM.
Want a nice fun little drive take out Miata
If we want to drive a few hundred miles and feel good take another car.
Some things just fly in the face of what we "know" as fact...
Fabian Cancellara racing a heavy 16.5lb bike (which will make him deathly slow), with titanium pedal spindles (which he will snap like twigs), all the while using cable actuated shifting instead of electronic (so he will inevitably mis-shift and fall over on the cobble climbs), and riding 50mm carbon rims on cobbles (which we all know is just asking for trouble). Net result... winning Flanders.
Moral of this insanity... everything is just icing on the cake. Lightweight wheels may help you be 1mph quicker, but you are still the motor.
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As for the aero vs. rotating weight argument, theories are one thing and practice is another. If aero trumped everything, and rotating weight was negligible, then I'd expect that professional cyclists would use the same 60-80 mm rims on road races as they do on time trials. But, it seems that they favor rims of 45-60 mm on road races.
Road race, generally <60 mm
Time trial, >60 mm
True, on a road race the racers are often in the peleton, and thus are in a draft, which reduces the advantages of aero. However, since they end up having to add weight to their bike anyway to make the UCI 6.8 kg limit, if rotating mass was a negligible hindrance they'd just as soon add it to their rims, and gain some free aero advantage. But they don't. It must be, therefore, that the inertia of rim weight is not negligible.
But then again, we're not professional cyclists who have eeked-out just about every ounce of fat on their bodies and achieved a level of performance where tenths and hundreths of a second count and those .15% - 1.9% values have far more impact than they do on "fluffy" weekend warriors enjoying a spirited club ride, a nice metric or perhaps a 200k rando... which has been the context of the most recent chapter in this thread.
Then again, I haven't investigated why pro riders choose the wheels they do for certain stages of late -- and in particular UCI rules that most likely prohibit the use of certain equipment outside of a time trial -- and Lord knows there are a whole lot of different things to consider when trading off things like wheel strength, stabilty & confort against weight, drag and of course sponsorship agreements regarding what equipment will be used by a given team and/or athlete.
Are pantyhose more or less aero than shaved legs?
Dang it... missed posting that topic by one day.
Don't tall rims catch crosswinds quite a bit more making them too much of a danger in a peloton? I think that alone explains the variety of rim heights in different types of stages. If crosswinds didn't exist, I would be surprised if most pro's didn't pick more aero wheels on everything but the biggest climbs.
But I'm definitely with TG that almost everything Pro's do and choose is largely irrelevant to most non-racing riders like myself.
There is also no doubt that a lower inertia wheel feels significantly more lively but I think if you put the stop watch on it the maths will prove to be correct.
Stop watch, data, etc., I will always go light and as aero as possible. I do not care what the figures say, in my mind light and aero is faster so I go light and aero.
if I was the op, I would try to borrow a set of light wheels and see how that impacted their performance.
When we raced the tandem TT nationals back in the early 90's we used aero bars up front, a full discs in the rear and a 50mm deep front rim. We also wore skinsuits and aero helmets. We finished 3rd in our age group.
When my daughter decided to start racing, I told her if she wanted to go fast she had to go fast. If you want to average 16mph then you need to be able to ride 18mph for several minutes. Intervals are the way to get faster. However a light bike is still more fun to ride. We went from a 40 pound bike to a 27 pound bike and it is much more fun to ride. We have each lost weight which also helps.
- The theory in the article in the link you provided was specific for neither professional racers nor tandem teams. Aero and gravity are universal, and their principles apply to all.
- The benefit of seeing what road racers do is that they are expertly coached, they are in a competitive environment, they are numerous, public, and have skin in the game. It is like looking at the stock price or the point spread or market based indices, rather than an academic treatise on a subject.
- Though full wheel covers are restricted to time trials, there is no restriction on 80 mm rim depth, as these are occasionally seen on road races.
- Though sponsorship matters, it makes no sense for a wheel sponsor to dictate disadvantageous rim depth.
- The other items you mention as affecting rim choice would be a source of variability among riders in a discipline, but would not explain the differences in rim depth between disciplines. For time trials, every change that is seen from road racing is due to aero unless proven otherwise.
Aero helmets are an example. Much money and top expert time was spent in wind tunnels designing the aero helmets worn by Lance.
Now they are old school and the new style is used by Wiggins:
Giro and Lance had a lot of skin in the game and a lot of expertise yet now we see another result. It is easy to say these are advances and to be expected. I agree but it points out that the experts are learning as they go and do not have the final answers to their own challenges much less the challenges facing an middle aged couple on a tandem.
The pro usage is a good data point and the closer a team is to there situation riding their bike the more that data point can help. I think 15 mph is not very close aero wise. I have read articles that say that aero wheel benefit is not large enough to measure until speed reaches 30 kph. Maybe that is not exactly right but it is well over 15 mph.
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The deeper aero rims (look at the data, Hed etc) only get much of an advantage over the shallower wheels at higher yaw angles. Then they can generate more lift (less drag) due to their larger area. Higher yaw is due to more wind, specifically cross wind, which is exactly the time when you don't want to be struggling to hold your line in a peleton. So in other words, in light wind they won't help, in stronger winds they effect bike handling too much.
[*]The theory in the article in the link you provided was.... intended to make readers "think" about wheel selection; it was relatively simplistic and instructive. If you'd like something more analytical, here's another excellent read replete with equations from our good friend David "Pardo" Keppel's web archives: http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-027/index.html
[*]The benefit of seeing what road racers do... is that through the power of marketing they help the bicycle industry and pro cycling sponsors achieve their business goals.
[*]Though full wheel covers are restricted to time trials, there is no restriction on 80 mm rim depth... Actually, that's not true. Bicycle wheels for use in UCI events must either meet a very conservative "standard" or undergo a fairly expensive testing protocol and be approved as "non-standard" wheels by the UCI for use in mass-start events. The list of approved "non-standard wheels" is huge, and so is the revenue it generates for the testing program and the wheel manufacturers who get those wheels approved. Interestingly enough, UCI rules mandate those huge graphics so that the wheels can be readily identified by officials.
[*]Though sponsorship matters, it makes no sense for a wheel sponsor to dictate disadvantageous rim depth... unless the disadvantage of the associated weight or depth of the rim is insignificant, i.e., road races on calm days without much climbing.
[*]The other items you mention as affecting rim choice would be a source of variability among riders in a discipline, but would not explain the differences in rim depth between disciplines. Weight on wheels is weight, and aero is aero and without dope it's hard to know what might give a rider a "boost" on a given day where the pros and cons of deep + a little extra weight vs. not-so-deep a little less weight net out and it's the placebo effect or just a good night's rest or the promise of a reward that makes one rider faster than another.
From Pardo's Rotating Weight analysis...
A lighter wheel often gives a "snappier" steering feel. Even if that has no mechanical advantage, it still can help the rider go faster: If a bicycle "feels" snappier, the rider will go faster.
A U.S. Olympic coach famously told the team they had a "secret weapon", which was helium in the tires instead of air. "Helium is lighter". If you do the PV=nRT calculation you find the weight advantage is smaller than plucking out a few eyebrow hairs, but the riders, convinced they had a signficant advantage, rode faster.
Reducing weight is useful, whether removed from the wheels or frame.
One important question is whether a gram from the wheels is like two grams removed the frame. The answer is "no", it is at most like 1.5 grams removed from the frame. But for things like climbing and hopping, a gram removed from the wheels is no different than a gram removed from the frame.
A second question is whether reduced rotating mass effects are significant. Again, the short answer is "no". The big energy savings of lighter tires, fewer spokes, and so on is lower rolling and aerodynamic drag, not inertia. Further, reduced drag helps always, reduced mass anywhere on the bicycle helps during climbing and accelleration, but reduced rotating mass helps only during accelleration.
This analysis is useful in that it can help riders make smarter buying decisions. If the same price saves either 1g of rotating mass or 2g of non-rotating ("frame") mass, the 2g frame mass avings is almost always the better deal. Indeed, in most cases, whatever is the cheapest way to save a gram gets the most benefit for a given price: by going with the best value, a fixed spending removes the most grams and thus gets the biggest advantage.
This analysis is also useful in that it shows improving aerodynamics without losing mass can also be a good deal. Such changes are not quantified here, but it shows the effect of improved aerodynamics is often quite large, and thus can be a good value for the money.
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Of potential tandem interest, Zipp has announced they are making new disc wheels. The advent of road and cyclocross disc wheels is going to make for a lot more off-the-shelf tandem wheel possibilities in 135 OLD.
Zipp 303 disc wheels point to hydraulic Red group
The new Zipp 303 Firecrest disc-brake wheels will come in tubular and clincher
The new Zipp 303 Firecrest disc-brake wheels will be available in July
Consider also, the lighter wheel may feel better to accelerate or decelerate, but if it is flex prone in side loads, the gains are lost or at a minimum, moot.
This has happened with 29 wheels off road. I have ridden some light wheels that were all the rage, very nice until cornered hard or even worse, riding across root or rock sections where the wheels flex and won't hold a line. Good thing they are light and easier to get back up to speed since time was lost in corners or holding a line.
2006 Co-Motion Roadster, flat bars, discs and carbon fibre fork, size 22 / 19
2006 Ventana ECDM full suspension mountain tandem
Some single bikes and a couple of KTM's
And most important, someone special that enjoys them with me (except the KTM's)
1) Wheel covers are not permitted in UCI events - however actual disk wheels are for non-mass start events.
2) Wheels over 25mm in rim height, less than 16 spokes, or spokes greater than 2.5mm in thickness require testing to something the UCI calls a "rupture test" to permit use in mass-start events. That said, the list of wheels which have passed this test is lengthy.
^ The tire is a Dugast cyclocross tubular, which is a popular ultra high end cyclocross tire. The 33 almost certainly refers to 33mm, which is the widest tire allowed in Cyclocross, where UCI rules are in effect.
The 303 firecrest tubulars have a maximum width of 28.5mm, which is wider than the 404 firecrests, and wide enough not to work in some road frames.
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
As for deep sectioned rims in road races, Tyler Hamilton won the US Pro Championship using 808's on a course that included multiple trips up Paris Mountain.
Even at the amateur level you'll see people using 80mm or deeper rims in crits and road races, occassionally.
IMHO, the reason you don't see more really deep rims in mass start races is more handling,particularly in cross winds, and to a lesser degree ride quality, than a weight consideration.
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.


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The truck starts and then shuts down. But if I start it again it stays started. It also shut down one time while driving, but started again right after shutting down. I checked the vacuum hoses and there were no leaks or broken hoses.Can you please help?
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Couple accused of fuel theft due in court in Oklahoma
The owner and bookkeeper of a trucking company are due in federal court in Oklahoma after prosecutors say they conspired to steal jet fuel meant for the U.S. military.
Doyle Latimer and his wife, Cynthia, are expected to appear before a judge Wednesday.
Latimer owned a trucking company that was subcontracted to deliver fuel to Air Force bases. His wife kept records for the company.
Federal prosecutors say drivers drained fuel into the company's onsite storage tanks or into saddle tanks for use in the company's fleets before taking fuel to military drop points. Prosecutors say the drivers would unload part and take the rest back to the company.
Prosecutors say the drivers acted under Latimer's direction and that his wife concealed their actions.
The couple has pleaded not guilty.


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"Four Eyed Monsters" co-director Arin Crumley and U.K.-based film school graduate Kieran Masterton are developing a new web resource called OpenIndie to provide filmmakers with the opportunity to reach audiences around the globe.
Crumley and Masterson premiered a video today outlining their concept on the fundraising site Kickstarter. They hope to raise $10,000 for the project from a total of 100 filmmakers by October 29.
As explained in the video, OpenIndie.com will allow filmmakers to input their e-mail lists and discover locations with high audience demand. The grassroots strategy allows movies to reach their intended audiences with a community-based approach. Because the site is open-sourced, anyone can enter a location into the site and figure out the level of interest for specific movies. "In their normal viewing habits, audiences are actually expressing their desires for what they want to see in movie theaters," Crumley told indieWIRE in an interview yesterday. "The goal here is for filmmakers to make money through this kind of system by creating a community."
The idea of building theatrical demand for movies and other products with social networking is not exactly new. The Auteurs, an online cinematheque, applies a similar model to raise awareness for classic films. Crumley also cited the travel resource couchsurfer.com as an inspiration. Despite the precedents, however, the implementation of this strategy has been gradual. Crumley said he first started thinking about the idea for OpenIndie while traveling the festival circuit with "Four Eyed Monsters" in 2005, when he and co-director Susan Buice eschewed a distribution deal in favor of developing an online following and showing the film in 31 cities, each of which contained at least 100 requests for screenings. "I was pretty convinced we would see the industry head that way," he said. "But we haven't really seen an infrastructure arise that allows people to have a say in what they can access."
Masterton, the software developer for OpenIndie, was in film school when he became aware of the new media strategy fueling the popularity of "Four Eyed Monsters," which the filmmakers, boosted by support from Spout.com, continued to develop episodically as their fan base grew. "Obviously, what they were doing was very new," Masterton said. "Film school is very narrow in terms of the stories it teaches you to tell. Now, my friends from film school are interested in episodic stuff online. They see it as more achievable." He added that OpenIndie could assist international audiences with getting a chance to view films that generate buzz in other parts of the world.
"Being outside the U.S., the choice of venues is limited," he said. In a blog post, Crumley elaborated on the plan as a "push versus pull" concept. "There are countless ways to push films out into the world," he wrote. "This has been the style for marketing movies for decades...OpenIndie.com is the only site we are aware of that lets users keep a list of the films they want to see and regularly add new films to that list and then simply displays the demand for that film to any other member of the site, who can then organize a screening should they see fit."
Since Crumley and Masterton plan to make the site an online social network, they are not relying on major investors for the project. Instead, they are relying on support from filmmakers on Kickstarter, where Crumley raised $3,800 to fund his second feature, shot at burning man 2009 and yet to be titled. Crumley hopes the project, currently in post-production, can benefit from OpenIndie if the site succeeds. "We're not going to seek distribution from the festival circuit because we tried that and it didn't work," he said. "Festivals are still a great way to do screenings, and I would love to see festivals use OpenIndie." Masterton, who has directed a short film and hopes to shoot his feature-length screenplay soon, also expressed an interest in using OpenIndie for his next movie. "I have almost twelve years of experience developing large websites for media organizations," he said. "It seems logical to put those skills to use while providing filmmakers with a means of getting their films seen."
Coincidentally, a study released this week by the entertainment marketing firm Stradella Road revealed that 94% of all moviegoers use the Internet as part of their viewing decisions. Crumley emphasized that online technologies should not focus on replacing movie theaters. "When you meet people in a real setting rather than a virtual setting, the whole experience comes together," he said. "To give up on theatrical and only focus on downloads is missing out on something hugely important."
The Kickstarter page for OpenIndie is viewable here.


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Fergie Is Looking Fergalicious At The Grove (Photos)Joanna Mazewski
Hey, pretty lady! A very fergalicious-looking Fergie was spotted looking like the pretty mama she is while at The Grove for an appearance on Extra with Mario Lopez in Los Angeles, Calif. on Thursday afternoon.
While I know that Fergie is at home enjoying her first few months of motherhood, I seriously cannot wait until she hops back into the studio to record another album. It's been way too long, and I need something Fergie-approved to bounce along to while I'm blogging throughout the day. You know what I'm talking about!
Check out our photos below and let us know what you think!
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Fergie visits The Grove for an appearance on Extra in Universal City, Los Angeles.
Album Soon? 2 of 5
I can't wait until Fergie records a new album.
Diva 3 of 5
Always the center of attention...
Paaaarty! 4 of 5
Fergie is always ready for a party!
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What do you think of Fergie's new mom style?
Photos via PacificCoastNews.com
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S + B = D, Born March 2011
One thing to remember, is that this woman is obviously writing this as a vent piece. I think we all carry too much mommy guilt....
I try to cut her some slack, because I understand as a professional, how I beat myself up for too long for not being some "ideal" of what a mother should be. This idea that I wasn't a good mom unless I was in the kitchen with an apron on, and cookies baking in the oven every morning. LOL! Well, my dd does not have that type of mom, but you know what?, I am a damn good mother (if I do say so myself) despite that. I am teaching and showing my DD by example, that a woman can follow her personal goals, And be a good mommy too. Sure, I could have given up a career that I enjoy to devote 24/7 to my only, but that would not have been being true to myself. That is just not who I am.
Life for many of us is a balancing act. Many moms of one, two, five will face this. Should we beat this poor woman up because sometimes she struggles with being a mom of more than one? I don't think so. Some people want more than one child. She obviously loves her kids, and is doing her best. We should encourage each other. We should not tear down each other for not being "the perfect mom". Whatever that is?
That is a very powerful and honest article, and it highlights many of my fears about having a second child. I'm sure this woman is being way too hard on herself, but I think I would feel the same way. A friend of mine recently posted on facebook that her baby is 15 months old and she just noticed that he has a dimple. She ended it with "poor third child." She's trying to be funny, but what she doesn't realize is that by posting things like that, she is validating my feelings about why it's so wonderful to have (for me) and to be (for my DD) an only child.
Thanks for sharing!
This is heartbreaking. What beautiful little boys! It's obvious that the mother feels really bad. I think she will try to do better in the future, and will try to be more aware of her second son. That's really all that anyone can ask.
Proud Karate Mama to DS - 3/04/07! (3rd Degree Brown Belt) And joyful wife to DH since 1988!
I love having an only too! I think it's a great way to grow up. But, it's not for everyone. IDK? I grew up the baby of my family. I know that there were trade offs my parent's made, but I always felt loved, wanted, and taken care of. I am all for celebrating the joys and benefits of having an only but... IDK? I don't have the right words today.
As an only AND a parent of an only I have to say this letter "irritates" me more than makes me feel sad ;) The prevailing wisdom that unless you hover over your child 60 seconds out of every waking minute,you're not being a "good" parent is not a concept I even agree with.
I'm not a hoverer by nature,yet my child is growing up an emotionally healthy, confident, very well adjusted, smart, very happy child. How is that possible? Maybe because children need to grow with a healthy dose of attention AND independence and I don't think that parents have to eat sleep and breathe their child every second of the day for them to thrive- regardles of whether they have one or more. JMHO! :P


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We have been here before. Only WiFi in the clubhouse, almost non existing and very slow. Worse then before. Back ups and pullthrus. Gravel/grass. The grass was dying due to a defect system. During our week stay it was not fixed. Hot tub was very dirty and broken. The swimming pool was also close for two days: maintenance. No reception on the antenna, no cable. But still we like it here, we had a nice site with great view over the river. Still they have to work on this campground, some paint and a bit of money for maintenance will do the job. Staff was friendly. - Traveller Excel
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TTN Rate. The CG IS in transition and with new management has come a long way. One issue is the maintenance person who has a bad attitude and doesn't do as management instructs. There was a day when water was turned off to the CG and Maintenance was supposed to notify each camper prior to the shut-off...did not happen! Manager is hampered by politics. The manager is doing a great job and is very friendly and helpful AND the CG is being brought up to standard, albeit slowly. Work is progressing on Wanapum dam, down river, and the crack should be repaired and water level coming back to normal around the first of the year. There are river views from many of the middle and lower sites and the Grand Coulee is fantastic. Laundry is really cramped and there is a major leak at one of the machines. Restrooms are dated but clean. Pool is clean and warm. Water pressure still isn't great at the sites and doing dishes or taking a shower requires patience. We enjoyed our stay here and would return. - SilverBear
Aug 2014 - $1.00
I will absolutely echo the review that says this location is in transition. The facilities are coming along and needs are being addressed, but have a way to go. One real asset is the Very friendly staff that I have met and spoken with during our stay. If they keep hiring folks like this, it will go a long way towards keeping people patient as they work on improvements. I was disappointed in the condition of the pool (cloudy water) and the very next day it had been shocked and is now sparkling. The hot tub/spa is lovely, but the jets are broken on one side. There is a water fountain there, but it does not work. The laundry room has beautiful Maytag front loading machines, but is so cramped you can barely open the doors. The water system is being sorted out, there are few 50 amp sites (typical of TT parks) and the interior roads could use a bit of attention. That being said, management is clearly working on setting many of these issues on the right path. The sites are fairly spacious with grass and a good number of trees. There are "river sites" that will offer a pretty nice view. There are Many folks who are waiting for the dam issues to be fixed and the Columbia to regain it's proper level. Access is presently forbidden because of the water issue. When that is restored, this will be a dandy place to come and spend time! - dqcarol


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T5 is reportedly developing a new 127,000-square-foot, $75 million data center for Boeing at its T5@Kings Mountain complex in Kings Mountain, North Carolina, according to sources who spoke with the Puget Sound Business Journal.
On Wednesday, I attended an interesting panel on operationalizing threat intelligence at the Advanced Cyber Security Center conference held in Boston every year. These experts stressed that threat intelligence without understanding of the context is all but useless for IT security teams.
Boeing has been granted a patent for technology that can charge the battery of a drone in-flight via a tether that connects temporarily to a ground-based power supply.
To address the stringent data security requirements in highly regulated industries, BlackBerry is teaming with Boeing in the aerospace giant's project for a highly secure Android-based smartphone known as the Black phone.
If ever there's a place you want to see an impeccable records management system in use, it's the aviation industry. Boeing announced this week it is acquiring Netherlands-based AerData Group for an undisclosed sum. AerData provides integrated software for managing airplane leasing, maintenance and other fleet records.
Check out the latest in mobile IT news for Feb. 27, including the unveiling of the Boeing Black smartphone, how Burger King could improve its customer communication, predictions about the eventual decline of the smartphone market, the future of LTE across the globe and the rise of wireless gigabit connections.
By the end of this month, a Federal Aviation Administration advisory panel is expected to recommend removing most restrictions on using mobile devices on airplanes, the New York Times is reporting.
IT behemoth Cisco this week unveiled a new security services division.
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The Game Of Thrones Ending Is On The Internet
By Mack Rawden 2 years ago comments
If you look hard enough, anything you could ever want to find is on the Internet. From the exact recipe youre looking for to odd porn you never even knew existed, its all floating around somewhere amidst an almost unending river of knowledge. Need proof? Apparently, the ending to Game Of Thrones is somewhere on the Internet.
Before you get your typing fingers limbered to spend all night looking, you should probably know the answer is apparently in plain sight. Thats right. Its just hanging out on message boards, but since its obscured by so many other theories that are blatantly wrong, author George RR Martin is going to continue trucking forward without changing a damn thing.
The blunt and hilarious reveal came during a town hall meeting at the Edinburgh Book Festival. After taking questions on whether or not well see a graphic gay sex scene in the book (hes not opposed) and what the advantage of TV is (easier transitions between characters), he took a question on whether or not people have figured out where hes planning to take the last two books. He didnt come out and say yes, but read his answer and try and say its not a yes.
Heres the full quote, courtesy of The Guardian
"I've been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you're halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can't do that."
Given the stupid number of Game Of Thrones theories on the Internet, its impossible to take away anything meaningful from George RR Martins reveal, except for this. The ending is not going to be some batshit crazy slice of lunacy that no one could possibly guess. So, Samwell Tarly is not going to take one of Daenerys dragons and ride it through the Seven Kingdoms beheading every single living creature he comes across before taking up residence on the Iron Throne. Thousands of people have not guessed that. Its out, along with any theories you might have about Hot Pie losing forty pounds, marrying Missandei and turning into a victorious warrior. Not going to happen.
Something like Daenerys and Jon Snow joining forces, however, is still very much in play, as are any theories about Tyrion Lannister raising an army and turning into the King we all know he could be. Any and all rational theories have found their way onto the Internet. Now, its your job to choose among them.
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Deb's Reviews > Shipping and Deceiving
Shipping and Deceiving (Warehouse Thriller, #2)
by Tina deCoux (Goodreads Author)
by Tina deCoux (Goodreads Author)
Deb's review
bookshelves: mystery-thriller, fiction
Nov 24, 2010
bookshelves: mystery-thriller, fiction
Read from October 31 to November 05, 2010
I received this book in a Goodreads giveaway and wasn't sure I was going to like enjoy the setting of a warehouse but it actually turned out to be a book that kept my interest. This is actually the second book in "a trilogy of warehouse thrillers" by Tina deCoux, but it reads fine as a stand alone too. Debbie Strickland is a hardworking shipping manager for a NW Shipping Company branch and leads a somewhat solitary life--not allowing herself to get to close to anyone. The job, and her employees are her life so when strange things begin to happen, including a murder, Deb has to find the killer before she and her staff are next. I liked the characters, the story kept me involved, and I would read the first book, and the third--still to come. too.
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Diabetes Introduction: A Message from Dr. James R. Gavin III: Chair of the African American Program for the American Diabetes Association. (Special Section)
Gavin, James R.,, III, Ebony
WE are three months into 2002 and I have to ask: How are your New ar s resolutions going? Remember when midnight hit and you celebrated by promising to lose those extra pounds? You said that this year would be THE year. Again. Well, it's March. Has the Today Show replaced your early-morning walk? What about that kick-boxing class you eagerly embraced way back in January--has it been kicked to the curb by reruns of The West Wing?
For most of us, making resolutions are easy, but sticking to them, well, that's another thing entirely. It's easy to fall back into old habits, even when you know they are harmful to your health. However, starting today, I challenge you to dust off the promises you made to yourself and recommit to improving your health and changing your life. Take Calvin C. Walker Jr., for example, the Colorado man who watched his weight balloon to more than 250 pounds and saw his diabetes spiral out of control. Read the story on Page 132 to find out how he resolved to transform himself--and did!
As an African American, Walker's struggle with diabetes is not unique; he is merely one of the millions of African Americans who have this life-threatening condition. Chances are that this epidemic has not skipped your family. In this year's special section, find out why diabetes is so common in African Americans and learn which factors have contributed to its rise. Also, take a look at the "Most Frequently Asked Questions about Diabetes" and discover some of the truths about this disease that may surprise you. Feeling tired? Thirsty? These are two warning signs of diabetes. If you haven't already taken the Diabetes Risk Test, please do so and pass it along to your friends or loved ones. …


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OU looking for consistency from kickers
NORMAN — Oklahoma faced unimaginable adversity last season.
Injuries ravaged the roster, including 12 starters.
And yet, with better field-goal kicking, OU could have still won 10 games.
With great field-goal kicking, maybe even 11.
Instead, in narrow losses to BYU, Texas and Nebraska, the Sooners missed a total of five field goals. And had to settle for an 8-5 record.
"It wasn't good enough," OU coach Bob Stoops said. "I can see, when you're out there past the 40, that's gonna be that way. But we missed too many in the 30 range that we have to make.
"It would have changed some games a year ago had we made them. So we got to make them."
Ironically, the rest of OU's special teams have been terrific.
In Tress Way, the Sooners boast one of the top punters in the country. Ryan Broyles is an electric return man. The cover units have lately been solid.
But to contend for a national championship, OU will probably require more from its place-kicker.
"We always want touchdowns. But there are times you need the three points, the for-sure points," Broyles said. "We have some guys.
"We just need to find that one that's ready to step up."
The Sooners aren't lacking for options.
Even with Way now focused solely on punting, OU still has four kickers vying for the starting job in Patrick O'Hara, Jimmy Stevens, Bryce Easley and Michael Hunnicutt.
"It's just gonna be who can be the most consistent," said Stoops, who also coaches the kickers.
O'Hara is the favorite to open the year as the starter. A walk-on out of Topeka, Kan., O'Hara took over for Way and Stevens last season with four games to go.
After he nailed a 47-yarder at Texas Tech, OU's question at kicker appeared to be answered. But O'Hara missed three field goals in the Sooners' final two games, preventing him from solidifying the starter's role.
Still, he feels confident with a year of experience behind him.
"The more reps you take, the more consistent and accurate you get," O'Hara said. "It's a mental thing. Kicking a year-and-a-half now, I feel much better about my kicking. I know what it's like to be in game situations. I'll be a lot more comfortable now."
If O'Hara stumbles, Stevens could be given another shot to be the place-kicker. Stevens was 11 of 11 on field goals from inside 40 yards last season. But his inability to be consistent from farther out cost him his job. Over the summer, Stevens worked on increasing his power and improving his distance, and is not ready to concede the job.
Neither are Easley or Hunnicutt.
Easley, a Norman North graduate who was sick last preseason before falling out of the competition, is healthy, talented and back in the mix.
Hunnicutt is a first-year walk-on out of Richardson, Texas, who, other than Way, might have the biggest leg on the team.
"I don't know who it's gonna be, but it's very important someone steps up," Way said. "Most important, for the guys on the team. They want to have that guy. Our offense is going to be extremely good, but they want to have that guy in case they have a couple mishaps in the red zone. They want to know someone is going to come in and tack up some extra points. Last year, myself included, we felt bad we couldn't give it to the team.
"The kickers, we need to be there to back them up."
Costly kicks
BYU: It was a desperation shot, but Tress Way had the chance to beat BYU from 54 yards out. Instead, his kick came up several yards short, and the Cougars held on for the 14-13 upset.
Texas: Jimmy Stevens' 45-yard miss came back to the bite the Sooners, as Texas won by a field goal in this defensive struggle, 16-13.
Nebraska: OU's offense sputtered against what turned out to be the best defense in college football. Still, OU had four chances to come up with points on FGs. Way misfired on two and had another blocked, and the Huskers prevailed, 10-3.


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Lordvessel is a Key Bonfire Item in Dark Souls.
How to obtain Lordvessel
- This key can be obtained from Anor Londo. It will be granted after the boss battle with Ornstein and Smough. After the battle, take the rotating elevator up to the next level. Find the bonfire right outside and a giant bronze door will accompany it. Here you will speak with Princess Gwynevere. She will give you the Lordvessel (or will drop it if attacked.)
How to Use Lordvessel
- The Lordvessel will allow the player to warp between bonfires, just by possessing it.
- Most bonfires can be warped from, but only a few can be warped to. The warp locations must also be rested at to be made available.
- The Lordvessel must be placed in Firelink Altar, to gain access to the areas sealed by the Great Lord.
- To place the Lordvessel, speak to one of the Primordial Serpents; Kingseeker Frampt or Darkstalker Kaathe.
- The Lordvessel can also be placed by jumping into the hole in Firelink Shrine, after you obtain it, but at the expense of betraying both of the Serpents.
- After placing the Lordvessel, it must be filled with the souls of: Seath the Scaleless, Four Kings, Nito and The Bed of Chaos, to gain access to the final area; Kiln of the First Flame.
- After placing the Lordvessel, the altar in Firelink Altar will also double as a bonfire, and will be kindled by offering Lord Souls.
Covenant relations
- This 'key' is not needed to join the Darkwraith covenant. To learn more about how this key plays a role in joining the Darkwraith covenant, visit the covenants page here. You can join the Darkwraiths without ever obtaining the Lordvessel, this requires the Key to the Seal held by Ingward, and without the Lordvessel he must be killed for it. You will also need the Covenant of Artorias to traverse the Abyss. However, if and when you do obtain the Lordvessel, if you speak to Kingseeker Frampt before speaking to Darkstalker Kaathe you will betray the Darkwraiths and not be able to join them again during that playthrough.
Warp Locations
The Lordvessel can only teleport you to these bonfires:
- Firelink Shrine
- Altar of Sunlight
- Chamber of the Princess (Gwynevere)
- Anor Londo
- Darkmoon Tomb (Anor Londo)
- Altar of the Gravelord (Gravelord Nito's Tomb)
- Daughter of Chaos (Queelag's Domain)
- Stone or Everlasting Dragon (Ash Lake)
- Undead Parish
- Painted World of Ariamis (can only warp-to this location, cannot warp-from it)
- The Abyss
- Depths
- Undead Parish
- Tomb of the Giants
- The Duke's Archives
- Crystal Cave
* Artorias of The Abyss DLC only.
- Sanctuary Garden*
- Oolacile Sanctuary*
- Oolacile Township*
- Chasm of the Abyss* (Oolacile Township Dungeon)
|Key Bonfire Items
| Soul of Gravelord Nito | | Soul of Four Kings | | repairbox | | Bottomless Box | | armor smithbox | | Rite of Kindling | | Weapon Smithbox | | Soul of Bed of Chaos | | Soul of Seath the Scaleless |


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Happy Repeal Day – "Cinco de Drinco"
Way back in 1933 the USA was gripped with an economic depression and to make matters worse, a prohibition on alcohol. The Eighteenth Amendment, "Prohibition," set the act of getting a decent cocktail back years. Unless of course you were rich, then one could still get the good stuff (with a doctor's note). The great bartenders all fled to Europe or Latin America as they were now outlaws at home. Drinkers were forced to go … Read more
2010 NASFT Winter Fancy Food Show – San Francisco
San Francisco was host to the NASFT Winter Fancy Foods Show this past weekend and, wow, what a spread! There was miles of cheese, chocolate, oils, dips, coffee, liqueurs, ice cream, sauces, dips, salts (lots of salts) and a ton of other fancy food products from all over the world.
My favorite Irish Cheddar, spiked with whiskey or ale is pictured below:
Among the thousands of products on hand, there were plenty for the bar.
Amendment 21
In celebration of the 75th Anniversary 21st Amendment, or the repeal of the 18th, Double Cross Vodka created "Amendment 21." A combination of Double Cross Diamond Filtered Vodka (yes, diamonds), Maderia, scotch and honey, Amendment 21 is robust, refreshing and retro. Cheers!
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Oklahoma City-area nonprofit organizations holding events
OPUS VII: Party Wow!, benefiting Allied Arts, 7:30 to 11:30 p.m. Friday, Oklahoma City Golf and Country Club, 7000 N Grand Blvd.; $200; 278-8944 or online at www.alliedartsokc.com.
Serving Up Cures, to benefit the Muscular Dystrophy Association, sponsored by Homeland Stores, 6 to 9 p.m. Nov. 1, Civic Center Music Hall, 201 N Walker Ave.; $100, www.servingupcuresok.org or 722-8001.
Oklahoma Seniors Cabaret's "Spectacular Extravaganza," to benefit seniors in need, 7 p.m. Nov. 2 and 3 p.m. Nov. 4, Hillsdale Freewill Baptist College, Interstate 35 at 3701 S Frontage Road, Moore; $12; 840-1242.
Holiday Marketplace in Enid, for spouses' club for officers of Vance Air Force Base, 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Nov. 10, Chisholm Trail Expo Center, 111 W. Purdue in Enid.
Science Museum Oklahoma food drive, benefiting Yukon's Manna Pantry, 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. Nov. 4 at the museum, 2100 NE 52. Receive two-for-one admission in exchange for canned goods or nonperishable items.
Champions of FATE dinner, benefiting Fighting Addiction Through Education (FATE), hosted by former Sooners standout and NFL star Roy Williams and former Oklahoma State University quarterback Aso Pogi, 6 p.m. Oct. 25, Oklahoma Sports Hall of Fame, Bud Wilkinson Center, 4040 N Lincoln Blvd.; $100; events.fate.org.
Rainbow Fleet Ruby Jubilee, featuring Sesame Street puppeteer Kevin Clash, who is the voice of Elmo, 7 p.m. Sunday, Castle Falls Event Center, 820 N MacArthur Blvd.; 521-1426or www.rainbow fleet.org.
4-H Collects HUGS for Youth
Those who would like to help young people in need stay warm this winter can contact an Oklahoma County 4-H member to offer HUGS — donations of new hats, underwear, gloves and socks.
The 4-H members then deliver the HUGS items to churches, schools, community groups and others. Last year, 4-H members collected around 2,000 HUGS and donated them to Positive Tomorrows, a school for homeless children; the Infant Crisis Center, the Salvation Army, Christmas Connection, Citizens Caring for Children and other groups.
Collection sites for these items also include the Oklahoma County Extension office and offices of Oklahoma County's elected officials, including county commissioners.
The 4-H clubs will be collecting HUGS through the second week of November.
For more information, call 713-1125.
Make-A-Wish walk to be Nov. 3
Join Make-A-Wish Oklahoma at 8:30 a.m. Nov. 3 at the Oklahoma City Zoo, 2101 NE 50, for the Walk for Wishes presented by QuiBids. Registration opens at 7 a.m. with displays from the Oklahoma City Police Department. Walkers will receive a T-shirt, carnival games, food and admission to the zoo. Register today at oklahoma.wish.org/walk.
For information, call 286-4000 or email email@example.com or go to blog.NewsOK.com/PartiesExtra to see a video.
Breakfast to benefit Elks Lodge
Enjoy an all-you-can-eat pancakes breakfast from 7 a.m. to noon Nov. 10 to benefit the programs of the Midwest City Elks Lodge #1890 of the Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, located at 8635 SE 15 in Midwest City.
Cost is $5 per person for ages 13 and older; Children 12 and younger eat free.
Proceeds benefit Lodge programs, including the various programs of the Youth Activities Committee — Americanism Essay Contest, Drug Awareness program in local elementary schools, Hoop Shoot, Soccer Shoot and the Scholarship Program; the Veterans Affairs Program; the Christmas Basket Program and other community-oriented events.
For information or advance tickets, call Dick Kanenchen at 672-3650 or Perralynne Perry at 677-6270.
Fifth annual Fall into Fashion Charity Show to benefit family
EDMOND — The fifth annual Fall Into Fashion Charity Show on Thursday at Spring Creek Plaza will show off the latest fashion trends and raise money to help a family whose twins were diagnosed this year with a rare genetic disorder.
The pre-fashion show and gift basket raffle will be from 5 to 7 p.m. and the fashion show will begin at 7 p.m. at Spring Creek Plaza, 1484 S Bryant Ave., in Edmond.
Proceeds go to the family of twins Griffin and Logan Chill, son of Karlee and Jeff Chill. Logan Chill died in August at nearly 2 after a battle with Alpers' Syndrome, a progressive neurodevelopmental syndrome caused by a genetic mutation. His twin brother Griffin also has Alpers'.
For more information on Spring Creek Plaza and the Griffin and Logan Chill Family go to http://www.facebook.com/springcreekplaza.
Science museum to celebrate chemistry with special activities
Science Museum Oklahoma will host Chemistry Day from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Nov. 2, when special activities will be dedicated to chemistry.
Chemistry Day is the first of three museum "holidays" celebrated during the school year and is sponsored by The Oklahoman. Activities are included with general admission to the museum. For more information or to reserve discounted tickets for large groups, call 602-3760 or go to www.sciencemuseumok.org.
'Purple Purse' raises money for domestic violence survivors
An Enid insurance agent is participating in The Allstate Foundation's effort to raise $250,000 for survivors of domestic violence.
David Burrows, owner of an Allstate Agency in Enid, is one of the agents who is part of "Join Together to Pass the Purple Purse" to benefit the YWCA.
Registering at Facebook.com/PurplePurse triggers a $5 donation. Burrows will be passing an actual purple purse throughout the community until Oct. 31 to raise more money.
For more information, go to www.PurplePurse.com.
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