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Perfect lens for a7R in all means. If you are looking for higher performer in a7R, you might be a pro-pro or non-sensitive for money. In either case, Sony system may not fit your purpose.
I'm glad for my dicision:).
The Sony FE 35mm F2.8 ZA Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* is one of the first lenses for Sony's fledgling full frame mirrorless system, offering a classic moderate wideangle view. It's a small lens that nicely complements the Alpha 7 and 7R, but at around $800 / £680 it's distinctly pricey for a relatively slow prime. So is it worth the money?
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Perfect lens for a7R in all means. If you are looking for higher performer in a7R, you might be a pro-pro or non-sensitive for money. In either case, Sony system may not fit your purpose.
I'm glad for my dicision:).
Is this lens a better walk around lens than the Sony Zeiss 55mm?
It is smaller,wider and the f2.8 is actually my preference for street photography anyways. But the sharpness of the 55mm kind of draws me in too.
It would be perfect for $300 less and with f/1.8 or f/2.0 instead of f/2.8.
Any place to find an actual comparison (on an 7r) between this sony-zeiss 35 mm and a z-zeiss 35mm f1.4 (on a metabone-adapter) ?
Found this..http://www.imatest.com/docs/sharpness/
Sorry for all this off topic. Cheers
Am I the only one who thinks that a LENS test should test the LENS and it's optical properties? Then we can choose LENSES . These tests include the CAMERA as well. Sony offer adaptors for other lenses. How can we choose those lenses when their sharpness was determined on a different (possibly inferior) sensor. Sony will be delighted that their lenses appear fantastic here, in part due to their 36Mpix sensor.
Obviously as a Lens/camera combination checking sharpness etc these tests have an important role, but perhaps Sony has opened up the need for camera independent lens tests to be included on sites like this. Apologies for long post and maybe it belongs in forum section
Can't see edit button now.My comment may be wrong, need to check how MTF 50 is found. Apologies. However reviewer himself said good result partly due to sensor.
An OK lens, Super sharp but with bad purple fringing CA - which is a very un-Zeiss trait.
It all gets much better when you stop down at 5.6.
I use it on my Sony A7 II, and it works fine.
Still, for 35mm I get WAY SHARPER and generally better results with my "Canon EF 16-35mm F4L IS USM" when used at 35mm and mount on my Sony A7 II with a Viltrox adapter.
The real advantage of the Sony Zeiss 35mm is that it's compact and lightweight, and fast focusing on Sony cameras.
PLUS: New ZEISS glass with AF! CONS: That because it fits Sony so few people will ever buy one.
A very nice lens. Yes, it's more expenisve than the Canon 35 f2 IS USM and than the Nikon 35 f1.8 G but on the other hand it's much more well bult, like L lenses. So the price is not that dramatic and after all is a Zeiss :-)
+ Very Sharp!
- Slow-ish, expensive and 1.8 stops vignetting wide open?
In fact, that's neanderthal - it never betters a stop at any aperture..
My 17mm/f1.8 has 0.7 stops vignetting wide open and I sometimes complain about THAT!
These : -
were taken with it, the morning I unboxed it.
The other sony lens the reviewer mentions sounds like a much better deal.
SLRGear got bad copy of that lens. DxO got good copy. Now that mean the quality control is bad there in Sony. Something is fishy.
I think is not safe to buy that lens since quality control issue problem. So I rather not buy that until Sony better sort it out themselves what to do with flaws design of that lens. Probably better off wait until Sigma make lens for FE mount hopefully soon this year. They show a lot of promising in it but I feel too scare to buy lens cos I am worry about I might get a bad lens too, its too much time consuming to return and replace.
I found more review website. So there are a mix bag in it. Looks like some have good copy and few have bad copy it seems. Maybe thats not too bad really. If I were to buy 35mm then I am hoping I get a good copy one. If it is not, I return immediately to avoid delay in exchange though so its not bad.
I bought one and it is perfect.
I bought a new 35MM and it was a BAD lens, had to be sent to Sony Repair straight from being unboxed. April 03. 2014. Poor Quality Control.
Hmmm ....
Is this "shape" a new lens (external) design fashion on the way? The Sigma "Art" lenses look strikingly similar.
Sony and Zeiss apply this external design already for a long time, just look at the A and E-mount ZA lenses. The 2/24, 1.8/24, 1.4/85, 1.8/135 etc all have straight cylindrical barrels with sharp angular width transitions. IMO the most attractive modern design available.
The vignetting is a bit too much for my taste.
Vignetting is visible at nearly every F-Stop. Corner smearing is very noticeable wide-open.
I have countless shots like the one below. Don't pay attention to the graininess; I shot it at ISO 6400. This shot was taken at F/5.6 - F/2.8 is a lot worse.
Sony needs to go back to the drawing board with this lens. When comparing it to my RX1 with the Zeiss F2.0 there is no comparison.
That's strange. I had to actually add vignetting on this shot here and it's still indiscernible. http://ambercool.smugmug.com/Events/Katsucon-2014/i-VprPJwG
I even added vignetting on here too and it's very light. http://ambercool.smugmug.com/Events/Katsucon-2014/i-hcKVCX2
I suspect (I've never tested this) the biggest difference between your shots and mine is that I am using an A7R and your using an A7.
First off, nice photos! I'd love to see more non-cropped A7 photos at F/2.8-F/8 with less than optimum lighting.
Have you ever done a wall shot with the 35mm on the A7? I'd love to see that. I do a lot of textiles and stock photography and my RX1 rules in that arena. I was hoping the A7R without the AA filer would do even better than the RX1 but I was sadly mistaken.
Stock and textiles photos are subjected to pixel-peeping customers and editors so anything that produces less than acceptable corners/edges will not fly.
It wouldn't take much for me to trade in my A7R for an A7 if I could get relatively clean edge shots with my 35mm at F/5/6-F/16.
Well I'm not much of a tester really, and my tastes for vignetting are always positive. Maybe you should try one of the manual wide angle lenses. I honestly didn't go in buying the 35mm thinking it would be straight or free of non-acceptable vignetting.
I would think if that's the case then you should just stick with the RX1 and switch out for a different lens for different work or a super wide that's superb to be honest.
Thank you for your kind words by the way. :)
Sigma f1.4 for Nikon: 23.46 oz (1.466 pounds)
A7r camera: 14.36 oz
35mm Sony FE f2.8: 4.23 oz.
Backpacking 20-30 miles on rough trails and overland. Which would you carry?
weight is no issue here. whatever gives best image quality.
"very close to sigma 35 f1.4"
I'd like to give you an example of the Japanese Army during the WW2. they were much shorter than average Japanese men today, 5'5" at 128 lbs. the standard combat load was 62 lbs including 30 lbs of weapon (rifle and ammunition plus helmet and gas mask, etc.). these should be able to be replaced with camera equipment.
usually one doesn't have to worry about weight of cameras/lenses till they become heavier than half of that (say 16 lbs, or 1/8 of body weight).
a healthy person (that does fail conscription check) should be able to carry 1/3 of body weight and dash reasonably fast.
Actually, the 35mm f/2.8 probably give better image quality than Sigma 35mm f/1.4 for backpacking trips. You probably aren't needing f/1.4 aperture in those situations, but rather using f/8 or something. So I would rather have flare resistance of the small element prime.
I won't say which is better over which. I'm only saying that image quality is everything and weight is nothing, until it reaches about 1/8 of body weight, then one can be picky.
The importance of weight is a personal priority. You cannot speak for everyone.
"a healthy person (that does fail conscription check) should be able to carry 1/3 of body weight and dash reasonably fast."
As a professional hiking guide, this is a complete and utter load of crap...
yabbokkie, I used to think this way too until I got D600 with Sigma 35mm f1.4 and carried it around it for a while. Took it to Colorado, took some beautiful shots, but I can tell you 4 extra pounds make A LOT of difference in the mountains. Even though, of course it really depends on how dedicated one is to the quality of his or her pictures. I am totally ready to swap my D600 + Sigma for A7 + 35 mm Zeiss.
there is no line that divides good and bad. but if photographing is the purpose of travel, the upper limit is quite high for weight (48 lbs for soldiers, firefighters, and disaster relief workers, and the weight could be doubled. malnutrited Japanese soldiers used to carry over 120 lbs into mountains).
I can squat/deadlift/press a lot of weight, and I still worry about camera weight. I prefer lighter every time.
Bottom line is what good is a cameras image quality if I won't carry it with me? And f/1.4 lenses and f/1.8 to 2.8 zooms tend to have really poor flare characteristics.
a real example may be the "Wyoming Wildscapes" published here on 2014/01/15. Wegner says he carries 75-80 lbs (5D2, 1Ds3, 16-35/2.8L2, and 70-200/4, tripod, slider, ...).
Is that written somewhere in stone? I'm 75 and sold my super telephotos 5 years ago because of wt. Have not used my 1DSMK3 in the field for 2 years. So to me wt. matters.
ok, you can carry weight, but you'll travel slower, make shorter distances, and it will be harder to walk/climb on difficult terrain!
and every mile you make the heavier it feels, and more energy you'll spend and more water youll have to carry...
weight always matter, unless you photograph at home!
If you guys are that concerned about weight on long treks, just bring a Sony RX100 or Nokia Lumia 1020 instead. Real cameras with optics can also take up space which, once again, will either slow you down and/or force you to leave stuff behind.
I'd take the one that gives more shots per battery charge.
Bradley Manning carried about the same weight (50-80 lbs) in Afghanistan and I think most of us are stronger than her.
camera gears that I carry weigh about 16 lbs at most. I think this is about the maximum that most people will carry, maybe less than 10 lbs. why I say weight is no issue. it won't go wild.
btw, some people bring with them pruning scissors that weigh as two FE35/2.8s.
@yabokkie if image quality is the *only* consideration then why aren't you carrying round a 48"x48" glass plate large format view camera?
Andy Crowe, I answered your question already. just kindly read my post above yours or you could ask another question.
actually I'm ready to say that A7R looks like a good camera for some applications including hiking for good image quality. I'm only saying that it's not wise to justify a conclusion with rubbish reasoning.
175 lbs naked,
95 lbs fighting load as a light machine gunner,
37 lbs two day pack (quite small rucksack),
132 lbs = 60 kg total combat load.
132 lbs is very heavy but 32 lbs sounds a reasonable load for mountains (two or three days from spring to autumn) for inexperienced people, including 8 lbs camera gear for casual shooting, + 8 lbs for hobby, + another 8 lbs for professional, + yet another 8 lbs for enthusiast, ...
@yabokkie no you haven't, you've just been saying we should be happy to carry 50lbs around, and I'm also pointing out how silly your "image quality is everything" statement is because that's also leaving out other performance characteristics as well as weight.
So, can you answer why you don't carry a large format camera around if image quality is the only thing important for you? Or is image quality actually not the only thing that matters?
> no you haven't,
please kindly ready my post again.
> I'm also pointing out how silly your
you have shown us already you are a well educated gentleman. you don't have to show us again and again do you?
btw, I'd like to recommend (to everyone) that for camera/lenses, one pount weight translates to about 1 litre volume (including cushions) so for example, for 8 lbs gear, choose a backpack that's 8 litres larger than it's needed without camera.
I use a tripod about 4-5 lbs include the head which is also about average that I see others use (maybe 70% use lighter ones but some use much heavier gear like 20+ lbs, the bottom line is never bring any gear that will fail you).
I really don't care about how much weight soldiers carried in some war long ago. I don't like to carry a behemoth camera and lenses if I can get the same or better quality from a compact lightweight kitt. There is a name for it; evolution. Things change. Soon there will only be electronic cameras. No more optical viewfinders and mirrors, everything super high resolution electronic small and lightweight.
I'd prefer nobody go military in this world. I only give the numbers as capabilities and limitations imposed by human, that I think most women today are better fed than small Japanese men 70 years ago.
I don't see it a big issue to carry 8 or 16 lbs of camera equipment into mountains unless one already has 60 lbs on back.
some people carry more than 30 lbs of camera gears for over night travels. 60 lbs or more for a couple of hours from vehicle (but most won't have to worry about 60 lbs for they don't work for Discovery Channel).
I would be VERY interested in a A7 or A7R with superb fast primes - I don't own a zoom - and I could justify the cost of a $1000 lens or two. Also 35mm is my favorite angle of view. I'm pretty much exactly Sony's target market. However. The main point of buying an FF camera over an APS-C to me is to have extremely shallow DOF on call, even at wider angles. An equivalent consideration with superb sharpness.
So the fact that this is a 2.8 and not a 2.0 or 1.8 is just a big letdown. I get that this a very compact lens, still, if I want a compact travel lens it seems a less expensive pancake makes more sense.
My setup now is an NEX5n with usually a Nikkor 28mm f2 on an adapter. This gives some shallow DOF, but only middling sharpness. I've been shopping for a superb fast prime, ideally a 24mm for the NEX. You could buy Sony's own Zeiss 24mm f1.8 and get similar DOF while saving $2k not buying a new body.
Sony took this 98 yards down the field and punted just short of the goal line.
As soon as the A7-A7r became available I dumped my NX7. Lenses that worked poorly on it (zeiss biogon 35 f2.8 and my nikor 28 f2 ai) work perfectly on my new bodies. With useable ISO to at least 3200 a fast lens is irrelevant.
if you get shallow enough DOF with a f/2 lens on aps-c, i think you will get just as shallow, if not more, DOF with a f/2.8 on full frame.
the main point of FF is mostly low light and image quality, over APS-C, and to get a wider field of view. i think most of us can work around the sensor size difference if it was only about shallow DOF.
If you haven't held this lens in your hands and used it on an A7/A7R, please, don't comment on it.
The lens is amazingly well built and delivers excellent image quality for an extremely compact size.
Is it overpriced? That is up to the prospective buyers to decide.
Well said but some here are just jealous and can't help it...I love the combo of my A7 and 35 F2.8
I agree, I use the a7/35F2.8 combo and plan on sticking with it for a long time.
I have been into photography long enough to remember when serious 35mm primes were expected to be f2.0. Making a sharp 35mm f2.8 prime is cheap and easy. Too bad Sony took the low road and made this consumer grade lens a full stop slower than the excellent Minolta 35mm f2.0 legacy lens of yesteryear, and adds insult to injury by pricing it like a pro f2.0 lens. I just don't see how Sony's new FE mount camera system will be successful without a full set of pro quality FE lenses, and in terms of maximum aperture, this lens does not qualify as such.
I happen to own both the famous Minolta 35/2.0 RS (the latest version) and now the new Sony Zeiss 35/2.8.
You might be interested to know, that the actual exposure time needed with the Zeiss 35mm/F2.8 @ F2.8 is identical to the Minolta 35mm/F2.0 @ F2.0 when tested on an A7 with the LA-EA4. The adapter however takes away 1/2 of a stop, so the real transmission difference between these two lenses is around 1/2 of a stop.
Obviously, the Zeiss is sharper @ F2.8 than the Minolta @ F2.0, but it is also slighty sharper than Minolta @ F2.8.
The Sony 35mm/F2.8 is 1/3rd the size of an adapted Minolta and costs roughly the same. I'm keeping mine!
don't try to confuse with actual, hands on experience. I tried and it doesn't seem to work. I'm enjoying mine (A7r-35 f2.8) too.
a very low cost lens sold at a very high price,
I think many others want to do it, too.
How much did you pay for your jeans? I bet they cost no more than 5$ to make.
In case you are wondering why would anyone chose an A7+35/2.8 instead of a full frame DSLR + 35/2.0:
Keep in mind the Minolta 35/2.0 is already a very compact and lightweight lens (~250gram).
Again you are bluntly comparing only focal length and aperture aspects in the lens. If you look at the optical design you can notice that Sony 35mm have 3 aspherical lenses. These lens elements help to reduce spherical aberrations, increase the overall sharpness and reduce the size of the optical design. Best aspherical lenses are partly hand made and very expensive compared to normal spherical lenses. Typical 35mm lenses for example from Canon or Nikon have 0-1 aspherical elements. You get what you pay for, but it's a pity that some people don't understand that.
Original price of Minolta 35mm F2.0 was $850 manufactured in the 1980s. It is year 2014, everything had gone up since then in regards to cost to build lens!
How do Canon, Nikon and Sigma do it? Sell some of their 35s cheaper than Minolta did 30 years ago, even managing to make them faster in the process? Must be black magic because if Sony can't do it, no one else should either.
Doesn't a Zeiss 35mm f/2.0 Manual focus for other mounts cost ~$1k? How is this lens priced at the same value? Wouldn't it be more than $1k with AF?
For everyone who is comparing this tiny lens (the size and weight of an Olympus 17/1.8) to the Sigma 35/1.4... the Sony Zeiss FE 35mm f/1.4 is coming next month.
Using the fake roadmap? lol. Wait until Sony announces something.
No such lens is coming. Even if it were, Sony would probably charge 1600 bucks for it. No thanks.
it's a good rule of thumb that one should be careful with any maker who has a roadmap, which usually means it has few good products if any. I don't like the idea but it's ture and easy to understand if one can have a look at the market.
Which in the roadmap that the Sony did not accomplish?
@yabokkie like Intel they have had hardly any successful products year on year
price should linearly scale with size in this case ;-)
O man, I can't wait for Sony to release the new lenses. The 35mm is awesome and the 55mm is even better! Sony really hit a home run with this A7 system!
In the age of excellent high ISO performance the need for fast lenses is diminished. As a landscape photographer 90% of my pictures are shot at f8-11, ISO 2-400 at 250-320sec. Light wt., small size, excellent construction and above all superb files are what it's about. And did I mention that I can use my large collection of Leica-M mount, Canon and Nikon lenses on this body? You can sit at home and compare resolution charts all day, and complain about the price while I am out shooting pictures today with A7 and A7r, 35 and 55.
Totally agree. I've wanted to argue with several posts but in the end it comes down to: "Hey! I can put that lens on MY camera and see for myself!"
The freedom to choose. Bliss.
it's great that good results can be got through cheap lenses.
Changed my mind and took the 55, and my 35 summicron asph and 24 elmarit asph.. So cheap doesn't factor in.
it's still very cheap for makers, may be not for users.
Hey, we all have to make some money right? If you keep looking at the economy thinking how expensive everything is, you'll have a hard time on this planet ha, ha. Get a job.
It's honestly a little hard to compare this lens with any other .. unless it's mounted on a A7R via adapter,etc.
1) sony raw is certainly manipulated ahead of output (rightly or wrongly) and this will change the MTF numbers as compared to other brands.
while the lens looks fantastic and a great low weight small prime option for the FE mount, care should be given to comparisons across brands - and even across cameras in the sony line (ie: NEX)
It would be good if DPR could evaluate some Fuji lenses with the DXO graphic information - PLEASE.
Wasn't there an issue with DXO not being able to process Fujifilm RAW-data, cause there system is tailored toward Bayer-patterns?
That is unfortunately correct.
Its also the reason why the image tests from the fuji's here on DPreview look pretty bad. DPreview should definately change their workflow and RAW processing if they want to be 'independant' and fair towards all brands.
it's not possible to mount a Fuji X lens on Sony E camera.
YES IT IS possible to mount a Fuji X lens on Sony E camera.
Please stop giving out wrong information.
okay it's possible to mount Fuji SLR lenses on Sony mirrorless bodies but I think the OP meant Fuji mirrorless lenses.
both Fuji and Sony are climbing their learning curves to make good lenses so let's relax for a while.
Hey Yabokkie, I think YOU should relax. Get out and make some nice photos. You worry too much about charts, prices and cameras :-)
Very uneven resolution, at the borders scarcely ever lifting above 1500lpm- This is LESS than an 8MP sensor. OK, at f5.6 in the middle its OK, but as the sensor resolves 4000lpm, and this is an f2.8 lens it is a disappointing one. Compare to Samyang 35/f1.4...We buy wides to get more in at closer distances and to grasp situations. Now, I don't know about you, but if I had to display prints from an A7R I would be very unhappy to with this lens, since only the central area will be sharp until at least F8. Not only that, but the step down into mush at wider apertures outside the central area renders it useless as a wide-angle prime. It is under-designed- it should be equally sharp allover at this stage in optical history- it is a 78rpm in the age of Blu-ray, and there are many sharper consumer f3.5-4.5-5.6 zooms at a fraction of the price.And check the Sigma 35mm f1.4
Cool story, but according to DXOmark, the FE 35mm outresolves the Samyang fitted on a 36MP sensor from f/2.8 to f/22. The corners are usually better, never worse, the center is better. Most tests shows its similar to or even better than the Sigma throughout it's apertures, which is the benchmark right now.
Which means that if you'd be unhappy with the results this lens would give you, what's your reference really? Because there would be little to no improvement to be found elsewhere.
Correction, the corners are only slightly behind the Samyang at f/2.8 and f/5.6, centers a tad better and the corner gap narrows as you close down further. Point stands, if you'd be unhappy with these 35mm results (especially considering the lens is >6 times smaller and >5 times lighter), its hard to imagine you being happy with marginally better corner performance at some apertures. Unless you're that easily swayed from happy to unhappy of course. ;)
How many of those consumer zooms can natively fit the Sony A7/A7r mount?
I'd say the corners of FE35/2.8 are okay, quite acceptable
for a cheap handy lens.
since a peanut beats most lenses in compactness and lightweight (maybe except some mobile phones) size isn't something we should care unless it's too big or heavy.
If you have to carry it all day or on a 15-20 mile treak over rough terrain it sure does.
average 40-60 lbs for Japanese hikers (compact 25L pack plus 10-20 lbs worn for example, 60L for 2 nights for people with some experience) many seniors in their 60s or 70s.
I am not sure DXO is always truthful. I was going to buy a 17-55 f2.8 Nikkor for a D7100 until I looked at its test. The specific resolution test shows that effectively this £1000+ (new) Nikkor lens is unable to better a 6 MP resolution except at shorter focal lengths and appears on the chart far worse than my battered scratched 18-70mm. Looking at independent testers (and note Photozone hasn't done theirs yet at all) we all appear victims of sample variation. That said all f2.8 35mm lenses are poor compared to f1.4 and f2.0 varieties. The old 35f1.4 Nikkor is better than any others I have used wide open yet has uneven resolution stopped down- areas that are not sharp at all-due to its design. Better to use a zoom!! And wait till Sony make one without an AA filter (the 7100 is AS good as the D800 resolution-wise due to this- though noise is bad).Lighter gear IS better as it reduces your reaction times, and old people with bad hearts know this-it does matter.
these new Sony lenses are quite standard performers among similar lenses, with typical characteristics that we expect from similar designs.
why the readings are higher is because a different ruler with different measurement unit was used (Roger Cicala 2013/12/15 "Sony A7R: A Rising Tide Lifts All the Boats?" and FE35/2.8 is just one boat among many).
I'd appreciate if the reviewer had stressed it in the review, that every camera is a unique measure with unique units of its own, to avoid (honest or intentional) misreadings and keep DPReview a better place.
Just rent the camera and lenses and do your own independent testing...you don't need to post everywhere with your daily whining and trolling...if you don't like the camera then let it be. No need to troll!
isn't it great that Sony can make lenses as good as others?
Troll. According to the DP Review measurements, the Sony lens seems to be an incredible amount sharper than the Canon 40/2.8 and significantly sharper than the Canon 35/2 IS. Both are recent releases.
Every normal person will use a Canon lens on a Canon body and a Sony lens on a Sony body. The Sony-combo is obviously wiping the floor with the mediocre Canon setups.
you read one measurement 1 inch and another 2.54 cm, you say 2.54 is a larger number and that's correct.
lol Mike, do you even know what you are looking at?
The expectations and buying power of the average enthusiast photographer are growing rapidly with the globalisation of wealth and mobility. Sony are just responding to these greater expectations by moving up-market and anyone that complains that a particular product is overpriced means they are looking at the wrong product sector.
The senseless jibes at Leica/Hasselblad that you always get in here for their products aimed at the image conscious are rooted in envy. Why shouldn't someone buy a camera as a public display of what they think is good design ( and covet the Zeiss blue dot ) ? I don't see this reaction when someone buys Tag Heuer watch over a Seiko.
If value for money is a concern, why is no one bringing re-sale value into this discussion ? You can't give away used, budget Canikon lenses but the Sony Zeiss will always raise a nice few quid, if you take care of it. When you upgrade to a Sony Medium Format mirrorless system you'll need to raise all the cash you can !
It's obvious that Sony is trying to make the A7 cameras a "premium" choise as all the FE lenses so far are Zeiss and much more expensive than the competition.
I think many see the A7 cameras as an addition to their existing dslr system. Canon and Nikon as well as Zeiss F lenses work great with adapters.
So in that light, the FE lenses (so far) seems like poor value for money, they aren't any better optically, but are priced 3 or 4 times higher.
the FE lenses are not something we should care much. after all the value comes from a good high resolution sensor behind a mount that takes all photographic lenses and can AF.
This is a good lens better than the Sigma as the Sigma is too big for street photography where 35mm is an ideal focal length IMHO the additional speed and edge performance are not important to me and not much anyway.
however because it says Zeiss on it an it's 700+ quid it going to meet with a hail of brand snobbery, and well let's face it is rather expensive for simple formulation.
Nikon surprisingly are doing quite well in this sort of space, their more recent 1.8 G lenses 85, 35 50 mm come in at often well under this price and offer decent performance. If you want to shoot primes on full frame. I doubt you will get a better value rig than a D610 with the aforementioned lens line up. shame their SLR line up at this level makes people so angry
"it going to meet with a hail of brand snobbery"
Nikkor 58mm f/1.4 says hello.
My 5DMKIII+sigma 35/1.4 are a wonderful combo for street photography! I am not sure what you are talking about . Gear does not need to be tiny for good street photography
People who are complaining about the price of this awesome premium lens should find a new hobby, passion or business...
Or a new camera system where the lenses are not laughably expensive? It's a good thing to have choices. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
the OP didn't mention camera but A7R is overpriced, too, compared with D800. the lens is about the same (may be sharper at the center and softer off center) as Canon 40/2.8 which is now sold for about 100 US after cashback in Japan.
blue and yabokkie, sorry that you two cannot afford the camera and lenses. Better luck next time...
People who get defensive over a lens should probably look at their priorities in life.
Paid the same price for the Sigma. Hope you enjoy limiting yourself at f2.8 because shooting at f1.4 will make you believe heaven is for real. No need for clunky adapters either.
What are you guys talking about? Premium? I guess the USA is getting a bad deal here. The Sony 35/2.8 costs $550 in Japan, which is around the same price as an Olympus 17/1.8 and far less than a Fuji 24/1.4. This lens is well priced for what it delivers.
And how is it similar to the Canon 40/2.8? That Canon lens is soft and a far easier focal length to design for.
You should be able to check prices yourself with the internet.
(FE 35mm = 600 pounds, Zuiko 17mm = 370 pounds, Canon 40mm = 110 pounds)
(FE 35mm = 800 dollars, Zuiko 17mm = 430 dollars, Canon 40mm = 155 dollars)
(FE 35mm = 68000 yen, Zuiko 17mm = 42000 yen, Canon 40mm = 17800 yen)
it's not having money or not. I don't think anyone will want to be ripped-off and look stupid.
btw, I think mZD17/1.8 is a bit slower and lower resolution. m4/3" lenses are designed and built to a lower standard than old SLR lenses.
I agree with yabokkie here. I just spent a fortune yesterday on a 500f/4, nevertheless I would not spend the money sony is asking for a 35/2.8. They can have it gold plated if they like, still not buying it. I think it is also bad for the new system introduction. They could cripple the success of such a revolutionary camera system because people will start thinking they have to spend and arm and a leg for an average lens for a brand new system with limited options. Sharp as you like, built as you like, but creative as average. I though photographers are supposed to be creative, not sharpness slaves....
Let's say Sigma released a 35mm f/2.8 for $150 and its optics were the same. Everyone would say "well la di da, I expect no less, 35mm and f/2.8 is hardly a challenge."
And they would be right.
I agree, I have the sigma 35/1.4 and it is astounding! and look at the price! Sure people here can argument too "look at canon and nikon 1.4 options, so overpriced!"
But how many years ago these lenses were first released? Let's see how the next generation canikon 35/1.4 are going to be optically
The next CaNikon will have lots of character like the Nikkor 58mm. And worthy of the price tag well over 1K, regardless of size and corner sharpness. Because that's how these arguments work.
the new budget canon option is a 35/2.0 with IS, more attractive and cheaper that this already. Canon has a new 35/1.4L in the pipeline, and I bet it will match sigma's lens.
35/2.8 is a joke, in inexpensive pancake is the only value for that.
actually when Canon introduced the excellent 40/2.8 at dirt cheap prices people were not impressed.
honestly I see no reason to get excited about this expensive slow Sony lens.
The Sigma 35mm f1.4 is the main reason why I bought a Nikon D610. Stellar performance for the price and puts to shame more expensive alternatives.
The Nikkor 85mm f1.8 is also a reasonably priced prime, though not as useful as a 35mm (for my style of shooting anyway).
an underpowered sport car... wonderful corner handling, craftsmanship style, and PRICE, forget the adrenaline of the acceleration though.
Complaining that Zeis lenses are expensive is like complaining that Mercedes are expensive and that you can get an equally well made car for cheaper. To that Zeis will reply, "Yeah, so"
Mercedes had some quality problems in the last few years, not even starting with the 1997 A-class test. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test
Zeiss must be careful. It is no luxury brand like Hermes or Prada, it is a quality brand. If for a high price level they do not provide more than Sigma for a quarter of the price, they have problems!
Zeiss offers an excellent little FF 35mm lens for the A7? Does Sigma offer that? Where?
People seem to forget the small size of this lens. From those lab results I don't see what people are talking about. Compared to most of the other lens on the lab test the 35 FE seems to be doing pretty well.
Only issue I can see is vignetting, but even that is fixed in software for those shooting raw.
Sigma maybe a bit bigger but for IQ, it is more than a match to the Zeiss 35mm f2.8
Zeiss is a marketing service provider. lens quality isn't something they can help.
The Zeiss Otus is a Zeiss lens. Regardless of whether its manufactured at a Zeiss plant, its sold under the Zeiss name.
The *Sony* FE 35mm F1.4 Carl Zeiss is a Sony lens (hence the "Sony" at the front). It's like taking a Honda Civic and releasing a "Enzo Ferrari Edition". Honda might pay Ferrari to use the logo, but it'd still be a Honda.
And I'm not saying that to knock the lens, I don't care either way because the value of lens isn't determined by the branding. I would happily pay more for a Sony lens that meets my needs over a similarly priced Zeiss lens that does not. Its just that calling this a Zeiss 35/2.8 is incorrect.
Admittedly, it seems to be a very nice lens.
But still - it looks a bit oversized on the a7r.
And concerning the price - if I compare it to the only lens in this weight-class I could find - the Olympus M.Zuiko 17mm f/1.8 (nearly same field of view) - I have to admit, it seems like quite a bargain. Especially considering the Sony is for a much larger lensmount.
Now, if someone (Sigma, Tamron) could provide something like the Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 for Sony FE mount - that really would make my mouth water.
This Lens is quite small on the a7. I just might need to see it in person.
Olympus OMD's will be compared to the SONY A7 and A7R by some. However comparing an OMD with A7, with these lens combos is difficult. The A7 + Zeiss 35 mm is twice the price of OMD5 and Zuiko 35 mm 1.8. The Zuiko is faster, so there is almost no advantage of the bigger sensor with respect to dept of field or low-light capacity, only the extra resolution. The SONY combo will have no image stabilizer at all, making OMD5 maybe 4-5 stops superior in shooting hand held in low light and the OMD will not make a very high shutter noise making a7 unusable in quiet environments. Therefore in my opinion and for my usage, the cheaper Olympus will be a far superior system with these two lens combos. I would like an A7(R) but not with this lens, no way.
@Runi. I own the Olympus 17/1.8 and the Sony 35/2.8, I shoot them side by side. The Olympus is by no means a superior system. It gets the job done, but the IQ coming out of the Sony is simply two leagues higher.
@Mike99999 I believe that you are right, and the higher price should give extra image quality. Have not tried the Sony, but really are tempted to buy it. But I like to take pictures in low light, and would not consider paying 2500 $ (7A+35 mm) and not having stabilization and only 2.8. So I wait for more lenses.
Excellent lens that is ideally suited to the compact A7/A7r, not cheap but as usual you get what you pay for.
Except if you want real swallow DOF then f2.8 is still not enough...
F2.8 on FF has same DOF as F2.0 on APSC and F1.4 on M4/3. It's pretty shallow
then get a Leica summilux?
no get the CV 35/1.2 V2 which works very well on the A7 unlike the summilux
Seems like there are a lot of b*tt-hurt folks on here.. Sony must be doing something right :D
There are always B*tt-hurt folks under Sony reviews. Since 2006 if not earlier.
You must be new here, I guess.
There are negative comments in all major reviews and articles. You guys should just get used to it already.
I'm seeing a lot of people saying "all metal construction". But I read reviews on the Sony Store (and some other sites) and people are saying a metal/plastic construction with plastic filter threads. Which is it?
I've seen "metal barrelled" ( because I wrote it ) but not "all metal" from my hazy recollections of 183 posts with the trolls contributing far more than their fair share
Dpreview say "all metal construction" in the specifications table. I am not Convinced...
it's a little more complicated than that.
i have it here.
if you mount a filter on the hood, then it is plastic filter threads, but if you put the filter on the lens directly (why prevents you from using the hood) then you mount it on the metal threads :)
@ hip2
Thank you. I was questioning why plastic threads wouldn't be mentioned, but if its just the hood, that's pretty reasonable.
im comparing two quite different lenses here, but reading a lot of the complaints about the sigma compared to the sony; the sony apparently walks over sigma because of size. nonetheless, the sony lens seems pretty sharp through out but does drop slightly on the corners.
I thought this absurd idea to compare it to something that I found light and easy to use within my bank of lenses; 40 pancake on FF. So now the price drops significantly with of course faults on pancake side. but if you check out dxomark they arent off by many ball parks. of course, sharpness, lfo and when stopped down the canon drops significantly... but having said that this lens has taking a beating whilst traveling, produces great sharpness and at close to 25% the cost!
call me a troll or canikon biased person, but reading what everyone was talking about I think these two lenses (40 STM and 35 Sonnar) are very close within relation to each other on paper. Sonnar does beat STM in many factions, but at that cost?
If there was sufficient interest I could do a comparison test between Canon 40mm and Sony 35mm f2.8s. Without rigorous tests my feeling is they are about the same having used both on A7r. (Obviously 35mm Sony focuses faster than 40mm Canon on a no-brand adapter).
Should have been f/1.8 at least. If Nikon can do it for $200, I'm sure Zeiss should be able to do it for $400. $700 for an f/2.8 lens with vignetting and less than ideal sharpness is ridiculous, no matter how you slice it.
Not sure what you are trying to show in the above comparison, the vignetting is clearly worse as photogeek says. 24mp vs 36mp for resolution, so that can't be compared other than the trend of weaker corners on the zeiss.
Other than that, I think the lens itself looks pretty good, compact and sharp enough for me. Just wish it was cheaper.
Oh no, not possible. You need additional size and weight to mitigate vignetting and improve resolution.
In terms of price, there's no competition for a compact prime lens for the FE mount, yet.
True, but as someone mentioned the tiny pancake Canon 40/2.8 STM is $199.
@zodiacfml: not by much. Nikkor is only 67g heavier, and looking at the actual glass components in it, it should be possible to make it much smaller without changing the optical formula. Canon 50mm f/1.8 is only 10g heavier, and only very slightly larger.
Are you getting a bit confused? You cannot compare a crop lens to a full frame lens. The nikon 35mm 1.8 for full frame that just launched costs $599 and weighs 305g.
the tiny Canon 40mm f2.8 requires a heavy, $400 Metabones adapter to work on a Sony a7(r). Why would you use a 35mm lens to do isolation studies? I would think that a fast 85-135 would be a proper lens for that. Also no one here has discussed the Leica 35mm Summilux which only costs $6000? As a landscape photographer I have found the Sony 3 FE to be a perfect lens for my work on both A7 and A7r. I chose it over my 35mm f2.8 biogon-m, f1.4 Canon, and 35 leica 35 summicron asph.
subject isolation in the wide range has a unique look! Have you ever seen shots with a 35 or a 24 mm at 1.4? My sigma 35/1.4 replaced the 24-105 for walk around lens about one year ago. Why? Subject isolation! The same shot at 2.8 is boring, at 1.4 is WOW!
Photozone.de review says what I figured, that the lens is terrific in the centre but not that great at the edges, there are other issues as well like vignetting. Great build quality though.
its terrific in the center, and good on the corners, just like the 35mm sigma. difference is, stopped down to 5.6, the 35 zeiss is sharper
You mean, the A7R sensor is sharper?
I forgot that I could use this HUGE ass Sigma lens with adapter on my small camera, because thats what I wanted. Silly me.
Put some moderation seriously, it's unreadable with all the trolls you got there. Ban some, do something !
Gift from the Olympian gods. Super fast aperture at a discount price. All metal construction. Tack shack across the frame, optically perfect, used by NASA to calibrate the Hubble telescope.
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there are some serious anti Sony trolls here. Wouldn't wonder if they actually worl for the competitors. It makes me woner why so many people get upset because Sony can deliver nice products.
I'm paid by Sony to be an agent provocateur, to discredit the few people who criticize products of the company. Whiners and fanboys are from another department of Sony marketing, under stricter NDAs than we are. You can always ask quezra, daveE or heaven is for real, but it's doubtful they'll admit anything.
The worst thing about this job is you can't really tell who is bought or who is not. We often end up undermining each other because of a lack of communication between Sony employees.
Oh no I said too much.
@bluevellet : that was funny :)
But honestly, when trying to read the comments, most of them are totally stupid, any way you try to turn it.
@ bluevellet. You're terrible at trolling. But you are even worse at humour.
Sarcasm tends to go over the head of those targeted. Even worse if they already have an axe to grind.
Maybe its a bit slow for the one other thing, but therefore it is quite small and lightweight and it seems that optically it is very, very good.
Therefore I do not really understand all the bashing here.
I am a Canon and Fuji X user and think that Sony is doing great for the whole camera industry - they are playing the pioneer in many areas. Only Olympus, Panasonic and Fuji are also in that ballpark, but FF only comes from Sony.
Canon and Nikon are still waiting with their thumbs up in their - you know what - .
If you like the handling of the Sony cameras or not is just a matter of preference, but technically they are doing really well.
Very interesting times for all of us!
If it was F2 even at this price I think you would see far less complaints.
Sony seems to be shying away from fast lenses for this series of camera. The new 70-200 zoom is F4 but priced as an F2.8 ought to be (The A series F2.8 is also overpriced).
If they want to keep things compact by selling slower lenses fair enough but don't charge the same price as faster glass.
Some people need to learn that not only fast lenses are "good" lenses. And so not only the fast lenses are expensive lenses.
"Some people need to learn that not only fast lenses are "good" lenses. And so not only the fast lenses are expensive lenses."
What has that got to do with anything posted above?
I certainly don't need to "learn" that this Sony is optically good. I used to use an Olympus Zuiko F2.8 35mm in my film days as my standard lens.
It was optically superb. It was also a lot cheaper than its faster F2 counterpart, which is the point.
I see no reason for this Sony lens to be priced as it is.
@Dave - perhaps you don't see the reason because there are no other lenses (native autofocus lenses to the camera itself) available currently made by other manufacturers.. Sigma, Tamron, or Samyang have not (or have not) made any lenses for this new Sony mount yet. So, this lens sits on its own and, ergo, Sony can charge whatever they want for it. There is no stipulation that you (or anyone for that matter) has to buy it though.
@Dave Oddie: "Sony seems to be shying away from fast lenses for this series of camera."
What are you talking about? The Sony Zeiss FE 35mm f/1.4 is coming out next month...
Stop saying it, mike. Post an image, some press release, anything. Next month is actually next week. Only 7 days left in the month, there must be some place to pre-order this thing so close to release.
You can't? Of course, because no such lens exist. In the real Sony roadmap, there's a vague commitment to some kind of fast wide prime for sometime in 2014. Could be a lot of things in terms of focal lenght and actual aperture. No guarantee it will actually come out at this point.
Now stop spreading BS.
Any expensive lens has to justify its price tag, so its fair to ask why this 35/2.8 costs $800 considering what is available on the market today across all lens mounts.
The concern is that Sony is holding FE users hostage, over-charging on lenses to offset the low price of the cameras.
Sony's argument would be that this lens is expensive as it had to be made exceptionally sharp to match the 36 MP of the a7R, and they've all the while kept it amazingly small and light, too.
My gut reading is that its a little bit of both.
Even so, at that price the complex distortion is a head-scratcher.
The vignetting is the natural cost of having such a small lens. I suppose they justify the distortion with the same reasoned trade-off, but it's not a natural cost. I don't think it should be there.
Having said that, if the camera's firmware update automatically corrects it then it's a non issue.
but $80 may be too cheap at least not from start.
$180 sounds a reasonably high price.
For those haters or don't anything about Sony/Zeiss Partnership...
"Sony is the brand of choice for people looking for great design and high quality. In 1996, Sony came out with its first camcorder with a Carl Zeiss lens. Since then, Carl Zeiss and Sony's cooperation has expanded to include compact digital cameras and camcorders, high-quality bridge cameras and interchangeable lenses for the Sony Alpha DSLR camera. Sony and Carl Zeiss develop Lenses for Sonys digital cameras together. Then the manufacturing takes place in Sony facilities according to Carl Zeiss specifications. It's a partnership that combines premium-quality electronics and sensor technology with the best-possible optics for film and video cameras."
So please stop spreading wrong information!
I am not sure who is the one spreading false information -- I suspect Sony. They keep referring to "Carl Zeiss-this" and "Carl Zeiss-that." I guess they never did get the memo that there is no more "CARL ZEISS" anything as of 2013, period.
Company changed its name, is what has happened -- you really did not get that memo, Sony?
Of course, they could be still sourcing some "Carl Zeiss" lenses -- left-over stuff from a heady time when there was a business called "Carl Zeiss." Alas, no more, definitely not in 2014.
It would be sweet for Sony to know the proper business name of the company they are co-partnering with, one would think.
Correction: ...don't "know" anything...
@Francis: FROM the official Zeiss homepage
PRINT IT so you will never look uninformed in the future.
You have to love those Sony, Nokia and Logitech propaganda texts on Zeiss' page. I wonder how much those 3 companies have to pay for Zeiss' advertising service. :) But maybe that's all their partnerships are about.
Ageha, Zeiss makes lens too for Canon cameras so what do you say now?
Zeiss is just a promotional website, a marketing service provider for third-class Japanese makers who lack confidence in their own products.
yabokkie - door is this way: ----->
Dear Sony haters:
Just another Canon shooter
Just a Photographer
Idk if you guys are intimidated or frustrated with your own camera, but I´m sure theres more productive things to do with your time, then dissing sony in every review.
Bottom line is that diversity, innovation and competition is ultimately better for us consumers.
@yabokkie is a worthless clogger-up of this forum and any responses to his/her posts are a waste of your time. He/she recently reported that Leica/Zeiss had gone out of business !
We need a moderator in here !
There's no need for that since I wrote a userscript inspired by the fellow himself:
@itastickup: beautiful. I installed it and configured it and it works perfectly. No more yabokkie. DPReview article comments just got a bit more useful.
Marvellous!! :)
I have this lens. (And the A7r). Ironically the combination is so good it leaves me disappointed Sony didn't do more. The glass inside this 35mm is tiny and should easily be able to retract into the lens/camera body making the A7r with this lens pocketable. There is also tons of space for an integrated lens-cap, RX100 style. Interestingly all the negative comments seem to be directed at aspects which are already excellent (sharpness, for example).
Nothing to write home about for that price. They took the "Sigma" path, making the lens sharp in the centre but not so much the edges. Also, why does the body have to be as large as it is when the elements are so small (35mm f/2.8 only needs elements about 15mm across)?
Can you point me to a 35mm lens that is clearly/significantly sharper at the edges on FF?
some Nikon and Sigma lenses have quite good border sharpness due to good aspherical design/make. though we don't have data for direct comparison, it looks that Canon EF40/2.8 may have better border resolution than FE35/2.8 (but may not be as sharp at center).
the performance of FE35/2.8 is quite typical among lenses that can be called good, except relatively smaller aperture than popular 35/2 or 35/1.4 primes.
Not sharp in the edges? What are you basing that on? You're just comparing the insane center sharpness to the excellent edge sharpness and calling it "not so good".
"Can you point me to a 35mm lens that is clearly/significantly sharper at the edges on FF?"
Sigma 35/1.4 is sharper at the edges. And 2 stops faster - for the same price. It is not even funny.
According to tests done by Roger Cicala, the Sigma is quite a bit softer at the edges at f/2.8. According to DXOmark, they are similar.
The Sigma is also about 6.6 times the volume, 5.5 times the weight and not weather sealed.
Still waiting for a valid example.
Just curious, the Sigma 35mm F1.4 same size as Zeiss 35mm F2.8?
According to dxomark, sigma is sharper. I hope you are are comparing at least on D800. D800E would be sharper yet.
Phenomenal lens. With lenses like these, Sony is indeed setting its stall out.
I believe this lens is made by Carl Zeiss not Sony.
So you should worship Zeiss instead of Sony.
Without this partnership Sony would not have been much to look for.
in agreement.
I don't think Sony has to outsource to Zeiss for cost saving.
@Just a Photographer - AFAIK all of the E-mount Zeiss-branded lenses are manufactured by Sony up to Zeiss specifications.
but does Zeiss know the specifications? does Sony tell them?
@Just, stop spreading lies...
"Off the charts" Yes indeed, it is pretty sharp. I love it its size and sharpness!
"Sharpness is excellent. The 35mm is extremely sharp in the centre of the frame wide open at F2.8, and while it's not quite so good towards the edges, it's still pretty impressive. The best results overall across the frame come from F5.6-F11, much as we'd expect on full frame. Indeed at F5.6 the central sharpness is literally off the charts here (helped by being tested on the AA-filterless 36MP A7R). Naturally diffraction causes some softening at f22, but it's not excessive, meaning this setting should be entirely usable when depth of field is a priority."
Not a great lens. The DxoMark review got it right…
When compare to the 55mm, it is very disappointing…
In fact, the reason why I am staying away from the A7R is because there is no 35mm capable of performing well on this 36 mg camera !
However, the 55MM is an outstanding lens…worthy of its price tag !
Got it right? I gather they're impressed. Did you actually read the words? How many lenses get this kind of glowing conclusion? Do you actually have a lens that's anywhere close to this? Geez, I'm really wondering who the DPreview members are!
"t's very sharp, exhibits relatively low chromatic aberration and distortion, and has acceptable levels of vignetting. In fact it's very close indeed to the benchmark Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG HSM, which is one of the sharpest lenses we've tested."
James wrote: "Not a great lens". Did you even read the review?
Comparing a slow lens to a fast lens.
An f/2.8 lens should be noticeably sharper than any f/1.4 lens at any aperture.
Typical non sequitur.
Makes the Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG HSM | A lens look like a bargain comparing the optical tests. Zeiss lenses are overrated and overpriced in my humble opinion.
Horses for courses. The Sigma looks like a truck next to a classic Mini, side by side with the FE.
Not all of them,
The otus is the sharpest lens in the world by an fair margin.
The za 55mm f1.8 is also stellar and worthy of it's premium. This is unfortunately not as good as those
I don't understand who you people are. Do you actually read the reports? Do you not get what's going on here? Really amazing how dense everyone is. We get a report that basically praises the lens and people are acting like it's getting panned!
Most likely, any reasonably capable Japanese optical company can make today a virtually perfect 35mm lens, especially if the aperture is a modest F2.8. Indeed, except for the high price, this "Zeiss" lens does not seem to be an authentic Zeiss, but a Japan-made lens with a Zeiss tag.
The question is, why Sony charges a reasonable price for the cameras, but so much for these faked Zeiss lenses?
In the near future, the prices of FF entry-level models should fall below $1000. Then, it will be clear to everyone that today's prices of most prime lenses are too high.
an important reason why we should go mirrorless is the lenses can be made better at lower cost.
I think Sony insults everyone, lens designers, factory workers, and all the users by calling its lens Zeiss.
Looks like yatrolly is hungry.
Don't you think you are the one being insulting yab?
So which one do you have in mind? The overpriced, heavy, underperforming Nikon 35mm 1.4 or the so so Canon 35mm f/2? Or how about the good old Nikon 35mm AF f2? The fact is, only a few 35mm lenses are outstanding. How about the Sigma 35mm 1.4? It's great, but it weighs nearly 2 lbs and isn't really cheap either.
The sigma is a 1.4 lens. How large and heavy do you think an excellent Zeiss autofocus lens with an aperture of 1.4 should be?
The 2.8 is excellent, but its only 2.8 and sells for 800 euros, the Sigma 1.4 which is similarly performing for 700 Euros. The 55 is excellent, but is 850Euros more expensive than a Nikon 50/1.8G. However it is not more than 6 times better. It's hard to see even a difference besides at 100%. You will sure get great quality with Sony+Zeiss. But Sony needs to earn money and I doubt many amateurs will spend this much. All my friends owning the Sony rely on adaptors and wait for a long term commitment of Sony to the system. I think it's more important to Sony to have success in the NEX successor to get cash, being then able to support the A7(r) system in the long run. I choose a D610 over the A7, it works better for me and gives similar image quality. But I'm open to a A8(?) in the future if Sony continues on this track.
Since when was increased quality ever reflected in a linear increase in price..... in any product category for that matter?
Some strange gear heads infest these forums.
Lets get some facts clear. These Sony /Zeiss lenses are quite clearly very, very good. All the tests confirm this. And although not cheap, they are certainly cheaper than Zeiss or Leica glass. And they also appear to outperform high end Canon and Nikon glass - although you never get people complaining about how much they cost...
There really is nothing to criticise here. Yet somehow, people creep out of the dark and troll anyway. Must be because it is Sony.
Yep, there are strange gear heads on these forums. Yabokkie - I am talking about you. Nothing you say makes any sense.
I think we have to learn how to read test results to avoid unnecessary fights. the center resolution of this lens is good.
Well. The results of this lens are good but not stellar. Sigma makes some great apsc 2.8 primes for mirrorless. And they are dirt cheap.
So there is no denying that the resolution of this lens is good. But f2.8 is just a bit too slow for this price. The Sony za 55mm f1.8 also got this rage. That was an baby Otus though and demands respect. It actually outperformed the brilliant 35mm art.
@ BarnET - you can't really compare the Sigma APSC 2.8 primes - they're not the same animal, not for the same use. The bottom line of this lens is that it's performance is really unmatched until you look at another Zeiss or the newer Sigma 35mm 1.4. APSC lenses from Sigma don't really count - they don't cover the full image circle and are therefore look like crap on full frame sensors.
@topstuff - I don't get it, you've hit the nail on the head. These little comment sessions are certainly not inhabited by very many people who are capable of reading plain text reports. It looks like people just like to emote without any knowledge.
@yabokkie - learn to think before you speak.
> Sigma makes some great apsc 2.8 primes for mirrorless.
> And they are dirt cheap.
those lenses don't look very good to me (even taken into account low resolution m4/3" sensors) and I don't think they are cheap, though the cost performance may be better than other mirrorless lenses.
Very good lens, congrats to Sony users.
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State police responded to Heritage Farm Park before 5 p.m. Troopers say the toddler was able to exit the passenger side rear door of the vehicle prior to the father, Sten J. Olsson, getting her out and proceeded to run away from their vehicle. Simultaneously a 2011 Honda Pilot driven by Kathleen L. Heister, 42, was driving through the parking lot. According to authorities, she made a left turn towards the exit when she heard a bump - the toddler ran into the driver's side of the Honda and fell to the ground. She pulled over right away, realizing she had run over the child.
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Yellow Jackets Head Coach John Scott and his staff recently announced the captains for the 2008 season. In the final team meeting before the players departed for the summer the 2008 captains were selected by the team. Three seniors and a junior were selected by their teammates. Seniors Tyler Tetrault, Tony Dill, and James Lemke along with junior Josh Breske were selected to lead the 2008 team.
Tyler Tetrault from St. Onge, South Dakota has been a three-year starter at linebacker earning all-conference in 2007.
Tony Dill from Casper, Wyoming is also a three-year starter at defensive back and earned all-conference in 2007.
James Lemke from Hartford, South Dakota earned all-conference in 2005 as a running back.
Josh Breske from Pierre, South Dakota is a two-year starter and was all-conference in 2007.
"The team did a great job in selecting these teammates to represent our program. They are an example of what we want our program to represent both on and off the field" said Coach Scott.


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Tallahassee - July 4, 2012 - 11:48pm
Along with July 4th celebrations, came eight new American citizens, at least in Tallahassee.
Earlier at Tom Brown Park, eight people took the oath and pledged their allegiance to the United States of America.
Something the judge presiding over the year's naturalization ceremony says is an honor no American should ever take lightly and an honor that centuries ago no one in this country had, until one July 4th.
The judge reminded everyone that on July 4, 1776, no one in this land was a United States citizen.
After the group in Tallahassee officially became citizens the crowd gave them a round of applause and recited with them the pledge of allegiance to the red, white and blue.
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Rifle High School Drama Club will present "SuperFreaks," written by Scott Haan and produced by special arrangement with Eldridge Publishing Co. The show will be performed Nov. 1-3. Curtain time is 7 p.m. Matinee shows are set for 2 p.m. on Nov. 2-3. Tickets are $10 for adults and $5 for youth under 18 and seniors.
On opening night, the high school art department will host "A Night of the Arts," to showcase students artwork, and include concessions and fundraising events.
"SuperFreaks" takes place in a mental institution, where the inmates believe they are real super heroes. The show opens with Speed Freak running around the stage, only to be scared by the reporter, Lois Lancaster, who he nearly attacks with karate chops. Lois interviews the inmates, who she believes to be crazy, until something unexpected happens that causes her to wonder.
The high school drama club is producing the play, under the guidance of a new director, Tiffany Brinkman, from Jackson, Mich.
The play was double casted, so more students had the opportunity to be on stage:
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Haley Budau as Mental
• Brett Christensen and
Ryan Imondi as Speed Freak
• Shannon Rossilli and
Abby Bernat as Lois Lancaster
• Hannah Prunty and
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• Elijah Birstrom and
Colby Rennie as Kevin
• Austin Kennedy and
Dylan Lauffer as Dimbulb
•Makayzia Counts,
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•Bailey Stephens, stage manager
•Sarah Voight, Jacobi Cooley,
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The club plans to host new events this year, such as a lip synching contest in February, a series of one-act plays directed by seniors this spring, coffee houses and a night of improvisation, murder mystery dinner parties, and an acting workshop for elementary and middle school students. Most of these events will be fundraisers for new stage curtains.


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WASHINGTON (WUSA9) -- The former head of DC's homeland security office pleaded guilty to tax fraud as part of a bargain in court Friday.
Millicent West resigned last year when she was mentioned in papers that charged former councilman Harry Thomas Jr. with embezzlement. Thomas pleaded guilty to the charges.
West was charged with tax fraud Thursday in what's called a "criminal information" filing, which generally means a guilty plea has been worked out.
In court on Friday, we learned West approved a grant check of $110,000 for the youth non-profit, Youth Tech Institute. The money was to pay for the 51st State Inaugural Ball organized by Harry Thomas for 2009. There were not enough tickets sold or money made at that inaugural ball.
Her lawyer gave her two tissues as the judge talked to her on Friday.
Friday, West was released on personal recognizance. She will have to make bi-weekly phone calls to pre-trial services.
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WJU Planning New Residential Facility
Zone change sought for new apartments
May 8, 2013
WHEELING — Wheeling Jesuit University wants to build a multi-story residential complex on Washington Avenue as it seeks to address a shortage of housing for students and younger faculty members, cit......
Perhaps the complex will be entered from the top of the campus. Wheeling Central has needed a home for its athletics for years. A decision to build the school downtown negated that...in hindsight the Elm Grove area would have allowed these things. It makes perfect sense to have the Catholic high school work with the Jesuit university if it lives the mission of educating its students in the faith. Making allowances in tuition for WV students would help immensely in getting them to enroll at WJU. Costs of that education, coupled with the high cost of high school, leaves these kids in enormous debt. Still, working together makes a lot of sense. The CCHS bashing is getting just plain stupid.
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If they want 36 new units on Washington Avenue, they will have to put ANOTHER traffic light in. There will be no way for people to get in and out of this complex given the current road setup.
As for the Diocese-please. Father Julio was canned because he was trying to work on a deal to buy the Mount from the Sisters.
Wheeling Hospital bought the Mount for roughly $4 million and-oops-they "forgot" to file the required paperwork with the state until months after the demolition.
The Diocese claims it has nothing to do with anything but then forces out a good man, demolishes a historic building that was NOT in horrible shape and uses eminent domain to kick residents out of a neighborhood in order to built a playground for Wheeling Central.
And, yes, the Bishop does indeed live in a mansion with a very nice wine cellar. Some enterprising soul should post an address with directions.
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I would assume most of the students will walk to campus from Washington Avenue complex. Sometimes there is time for change, even neighborhoods change. More students equals more employment, more money spent in the city. Some private housing may be lost, but perhaps a development on another hilltop will make up for that as we move forward. Housing downtown for the other students could still happen. Growing pains. We have colleges and they are helping to change the face of a dying city as oil and gas gives us new job opportunities as our young people train for them and live here. Let's grow and not grumble all the time.
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Well-- Here goes more property off the tax rolls. Now they will have to raise our taxes to make up for it. WJU {Idon't know wher they get the U"have always said they wanted the whole block. Did anyone ever see an octopus? This is what the Diocese is becomming. They want to reach out and own too much.Look at a city map and see how much they control, including the bishop's mansion.
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Most people have no idea how much property WJU owns on Washington Ave already. Having seen the MASTER PLAN some 15 years ago it showed the entire campus bordering Washington Ave. Why is it that everytime there is a plan for PROGRESS the NAY-SAYERS come out of the woodwork?
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Our colleges are a growing force for progress in our city. When WJU was built, it was embraced by the community as a boon to our local young people. Colleges grow and that is a good thing. This particular growth is contiguous to the college's campus and sometimes change happens that can be upsetting. However, I anticipate that WJU will continue to be a good neighbor. Wheeling has a history of not wanting change, but we cannot be stagnant. Good luck to the college.
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Save Washington Ave from this deal. Here is an idea. Bishop Bransfield could do as Pope Francis says and move into the "Bishop's Residence" next to the Cathedral. Then they could use his "mansion" with his full time Chef..wine celler..heated towel bars..ect. ect. as a new residence for the students. Like the Pope says..live along side of your flock..not above them.
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Two bad names here, Bedway and WJU, the Mayor supports this? This will destroy Washington Ave property values and home owners need to beware and speak up.
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I'm an RC, but I have to agree with a lot of what Triton said. There is little doubt that the Diocese participated in the destruction of an entire city block of historical property in East Wheeling recently with marginal benefit to the community as a whole.
Although Jesuit and the Diocese are not the same, they do seem to sometimes exhibit the same tendencies. I believe the Mount De Chantal land was reserved for Wheeling Hospital use and can not be used by Jesuit... different entities, but having the school encroach on a residential neighborhood like this should be met with at least some skepticism. While basically any development is good for a struggling community like Wheeling, good neighborhoods can not be replaced once they are demolished. Could this be a prelude for even more encroachment? One has to wonder.
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WJU has always shown to be a ruthless neighbor to the people who live in that area. Plopping a dorm down there is bad for the neighborhood (yes cities are for people) and would cause traffic and noise nightmares on Washington Ave. They are building a football field on campus for private use and the Diocese just blew up the Mt. De Chantal which is a large plot of land right adjacent to the campus. This is just another example of WJU and the Diocese crushing people and families and neighborhoods. No to this. As an RC I can say that Catholic administrators are the most heartless people in the world and prove it time after time. Put your dorm on campus/the Mount, leave families alone. Surprise us, be considerate of others.
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Why is the Boy Mayor supportive of the expansion of non-profit (tax exempt) status to more taxable properties? Yes, Jesuit owns a few of these but two or three others are privately owned. That is less tax money coming in each year.
Why not support for profit businesses that actually pay taxes?
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The federal government needs to get out of the education/financial aid business altogether. It is unconstitutional not to mention immoral.
Until colleges like Jesuit learn to run like businesses and attract paying customers, we will continue to see our current crisis. Kids are borrowing $100,000 to get a degree in gender studies or some other worthless major.
If colleges were on the hook for these loans, would they still offer worthless degrees? Would they still worry about headcount and not about quality?
Make colleges co-sign for any loan a student receives and we will see how fast they get their act together.
Trust me, unless they are a graduate (most likely volunteering in a soup kitchen someplace), no one outside of a 50-mile radius has ever heard of Jesuit.
The degree is no better than West Lib so why does it cost 4 times as much?
Beyer is no dummy. He is jumping ship before the feds come calling.
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no. use the land to build houses or apt for families who are here all year long and work in the area.
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By David Weir on July 19, 2011 3:39 PM
You hear it every day. It's a mantra in the startup world: "Timing is everything."
Like most old proverbs, this often proves to be true, until of course the time that it doesn't. And that's when things begin to get interesting, from my point of view.
The story of one of the city's most active mid-size PR firms in the technology sector, Allison & Partners, is illustrative.
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ATHENS - The U.S. Congressional Delegation to the Parliamentary Assembly of the OSCE Fall Meeting joined by Ambassador to Greece Daniel Speckhard will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Theodoros Pangalos Saturday October 10, 2009.
There will be a photo opportunity only at noon.
Who: Senator Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD), Helsinki Commission Chairman,
Representative Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL), Commission Co-Chairman,
Representative Mike McIntyre (D-NC), Commissioner,
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Greek Deputy Prime Minister Theodoros Pangalos
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LOGANVILLE, Ga -- For the past two months residents of a Loganville neighborhood have been victims of a frightening crime. Some of them changed their way of life to be safe and secure in their homes. They just found out their fears were for nothing.
On January 31, 2013, one of their neighbor's homes burned to the ground. The neighbor, Jonathan Smith, 37, who lived in the home with his girlfriend and her two children, told police a horrifying story.
He told them two suspects, a man and a woman, broke into his home and set it on fire. Smith told police he fired gunshots at the suspects as they fled in a white SUV. Neighbors heard the gunshots.
On Thursday Gwinnett County arson investigators arrested Smith. They said his story didn't add up and they charged him with arson for setting the fire. "Through the course of questioning while he was here at fire headquarters, they had enough to go on to make charges," said Lieutenant Colin Rhoden.
Lt. Rhoden said he hopes the arrest will give residents closure. "I'm sure there's been a degree of unease, or they have been uneasy in that neighborhood ever since the fire back in January," he said.
Adeline Lee said the incident changed her life. "It concerned all of us," she said. "We were not sure what was going on and we wanted to make sure we would all be safe."
"You start making sure you've got the proper alarm systems and you know even guns, because you don't know," Lee added.
There were some neighbors who had suspicions about Smith's story from the beginning. Stefanie Palik said the fired started at around noon. "Somebody's not going to break in at noon knowing there's lots of people here all the time," she said.
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News about Gordie Howe, including commentary and archival articles published in The New York Times.
Vic Howe, Former Ranger and a Brother of a Hockey Great, Dies at 85
Howe, a younger sibling of Gordie Howe, played in parts of three seasons in the N.H.L. for the Rangers in the 1950s.
February 5, 2015, Thursday
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'Mr. Hockey: My Story,' by Gordie Howe
A new memoir by the 86-year-old Gordie Howe, one of the most prolific scorers in hockey history.
December 7, 2014, Sunday
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Gordie Howe Has Another Stroke
The family of the Hockey Hall of Famer Gordie Howe said he had "taken a turn for the worse" after suffering another stroke.
November 17, 2014, Monday
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When Red Wings Are on the Ice, Minds Are on Gordie Howe
With Howe in Texas recovering from a stroke and fighting the effects of dementia, the Red Wings have become traveling ambassadors for him.
November 5, 2014, Wednesday
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Islanders Fall as Jets Land Last Blow in a Duel of Rallies
After trailing early, Winnipeg scored three times in the second period but could not hold a two-goal lead.
October 29, 2014, Wednesday
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At 84, a Busy Howe Raises Funds for Alzheimer's Research
Gordie Howe has "memory challenges," his son says, but the man known as Mr. Hockey has a full schedule, including events to raise funds for research into Alzheimer's disease.
February 4, 2012, Saturday
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February 3, 2012, Friday
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The hockey Hall of Famer Gordie Howe, at 84, occasionally has memory loss, according to members of his family.
February 3, 2012, Friday
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How Fighting Became So Ferocious
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December 15, 2011, Thursday
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CULPEPER COUNTY, Va. (WUSA) - A Culpeper jury has convicted former police officer Daniel Harmon-Wright of voluntary manslaughter, and two other counts for killing an unarmed housewife last year year. He faces a maximum 25 years behind bars.
Harmon Wright was not convicted of the most serious charge of murder, which carried a maximum life sentence.
After the conviction, the former police officer was led away in handcuffs to the jail next door. He seemed to be trying to hide his face, as he bowed forward. He also shook his head from side to side, in disapproval or shock of the verdict.
A jury of eight women and four men found him guilty of voluntary manslaughter, unlawful shooting into a motor vehicle, and shooting into a motor vehicle resultinig in death.
On Feb. 9, he shot and killed Patricia Cook, a 54-year-old unarmed housewife who was trespassing, sitting in her jeep wrangler in a parking lot of a private school.
According to Harmon-Wright, Cook rolled her window up on his hands and then tried to run him over. He shot her six times, five struck her as she drove away. He claimed he shot in self defense and to protect the public. The jury didn't buy it.
On Wednesday, the jury comes back for the sentencing phase. They will hear both sides and make a recommendation, anything from zero to 25 years In prison.
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Seventeen Again
|Release Date: April 17, 2009
|Running Time: 94 mins.
|MPAA Rating: PG 13
|Box Office: $64,149,837.00
|Genre: Comedy, Fantasy
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Summary:What would you do if you got a second shot at life? Class of 1989: Mike O'Donnell is a star on the high school basketball court with a college scout in the stands and a bright future in his grasp. But instead, he decides to throw it all away to share his life with his girlfriend Scarlet and the baby he just learned they are expecting. Almost 20 years later, Mike's glory days are decidedly behind him. His marriage has fallen apart, he has been passed over for a promotion at work, his teenage kids think he's a loser, and he's been reduced to crashing with his high school nerd-turned-techno-billionaire best friend Ned. But Mike is given another chance when he is miraculously transformed back to... Full Summary >>