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I am still a rookie on this forum.
I am leading a research about the link between WW1 and the First Boy Scouts.
As you may know 2007 is the 100th anniversary of the first Boy Scout Camp, a test camp in august 1907 on Bronwsea Island. Baden Powell took some 20 boys to that camp to test his scouting theories.
Some of these boys died a few years later during WW1 in Flanders & France.
I have quite a bit of information about some of them, BUT NO PICTURES.
Could someone help me find photographs  of :
2LT M.C.Wroughton, 12 Royal Lancers, died 30 Oct.1914
2LT W.F.Rodney, Rifle Brigade (att. to Royal Flying Corps), died 9 May 1915
2LT Marc A.P. Noble, Royal Field Artillery, 1 July 1917
Any information is welcome.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:09 pm
I have a picture of one of my Group's Scouts, Reginald Leslie Showan, on the day he joined up in 1914, with his brother Ian, in his Scout uniform and their mother.
Reg was 'blown to bits' (as his niece told me) on 26/04/1917 and he's commemorated on the Arras Memorial and my Scout Group's Memorial (amongst others).
Ian never served in WW1 and was a headmaster of a local school in WW2 and lived until the late 1980's.
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Here the page from Commonwealth War Graves. The Thiepval Memorial, as he has no known grave:
A short way down the screen on the left is "view certificate",click there.
PS. He was with 1 Battalion KRRC,part of 99 Brigade of 2 Division. He was killed at the Actions of Miraumont 17-18 Feb 1917,see here for some detail:
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 06:14 pm
have you been in touch with the Scout Association's archive at Gilwell? If Sydney was active in Scouting before he moved to Fiji, they may have something on him. It's also possible that if he helped set up Scouting in Fiji, there may have been correspondence with the then Imperial Headquarters in London.
The archive's website is http://www.scoutsrecords.org and the contact details are on there.
Nick, thanks again Michael
Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:23 pm
Hi Nick, am working with various parties on this line of inquiry, I will though follow through on the contact you have provided, I have had fantastic input from persons on this forum, I also have an entry under Fiji Soldier and this has provided valuable info
Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:35 am
Glad you're finding lots of useful stuff!
I forgot to mention that if you ask the archive people they will add your chap to the SA's WW1 Roll of Honour.
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Nick, got news in from Archives over night and details of the warrant he held in the UK prior to coming out to Fiji, he was warranted in 1911, they cannot tell me what troop, and they have confirmed he is going on the roll of hoour, I am so very pleased, they tell me that while it is anecdotal, they believe he met with BP prior to leaving the UK for Fiji, told BP he was heading that way and was instructed to start scouting here, we now know he was the secretary of Scouting Fiji in 1915..
Glad you're finding lots of useful stuff!
I forgot to mention that if you ask the archive people they will add your chap to the SA's WW1 Roll of Honour.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 03:45 am
Geert - do you have a complete list of all those who attended this camp, and do you know if there is a 'Scouts Roll of Honour' for WW1?
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That is a nice piece of memorabilia, made it look like a fun jaunt to France and other places!!
WW1 Recruiting Poster.
Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:09 am
A bit far from London and Fiji, but here in British Columbia, a Scout on sentry duty in 1916 spotted a forest fire in cottage country near the border and raised the alarm. At the time it was thought an infiltrator from the south had set the blaze.
Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:28 pm
Yes Mike, there's the semifamous photo of the Fijiians in Vancouver's Stanley Park, taking a break enroute to Halifax.
Really not that far, most of our soldiers at the time of WW1 went to the UK via Vancouver,
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Friends of the Clay Center hosts Backyard Bluegrass: Mandolins and Mason Jars at 8 p.m. Friday in the Clay Center sculpture garden. The event for ages 21 and up features music by The Fort Hillbillies, Southern-style snacks by Embassy Suites and white whiskey drinks by Smooth Ambler Spirits.
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The Chemical Valley Rollergirls will battle the Mother State Roller Derby of Richmond, Va., in "Too Kruel for School" at 5 p.m. Saturday in the Civic Center North Hall. Adult tickets are $10 in advance and $12 at the door. Tickets are $5 for children ages 2-12 and free for children under 2. Get them at the Civic Center box office or through Ticketmaster. Visit www.chemicalvalleyrollergirls.com.
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Cathy Grant & Fiddlers Galore! closes out the free Colesmouth summer concert series at 8 p.m. Saturday at the St. Albans City Park amphitheater.
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The park is located at the top of Observatory Drive off Kanawha Terrace. Bench seats are available but blankets and lawn chairs are permitted. Call 304-661-0655.
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Tickets are $26.50 and $31.50. Call 800-745-3000 or visit www.ticketmaster.com.
'Phineas and Ferb' live
"Disney's Phineas and Ferb: The Best Live Tour Ever!" has added a second production to its Charleston tour stop on Aug. 26. Performances are 1 and 4 p.m. at the Municipal Auditorium.
Tickets are $20-$60. Get $5 off online with the code "LIVE."
There also will be a free appearance by one of the show's characters at Charleston Town Center Mall at noon Aug. 25. Get details at www.charlestontowncenter.com.
For tickets, call 800-745-3000 or visit www.ticketmaster.com.
'Cirque du Soleil: Dralion' tickets
The Charleston Civic Center is offering family four packs for "Cirque du Soleil: Dralion," which will be in Charleston for seven performances Sept. 12-16. Good for two adults and two children ages 2-12, the packages save up to $20 per ticket. They are available for all but the two Saturday shows.
"Dralion" fuses the ancient Chinese circus tradition with Cirque du Soleil's avant-garde performance approach. In it, the four elements (fire, water, earth and air) come to life in a colorful blend of East and West, Man and Nature.
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He might not have won in November's Cincinnati City Council elections, but Kevin Flynn has scored a victory elsewhere.
Flynn, who ran unsuccessfully as a Charterite in the 2009 and 2011 council elections, has been selected as the president of the group that endorsed him. The Charter Committee of Greater Cincinnati announced today that Flynn has been elected president of the organization, taking over for Dawn Denno, who didn't seek reelection.
Flynn is a real-estate attorney from Mount Airy who also teaches at the University of Cincinnati's law school. He has been confined to a wheelchair since a serious automobile accident in 2002.
During his first campaign in 2009 Flynn placed 13th among 19 candidates in council elections. The top nine vote-getters are elected to the group.
Last year Flynn finished in 11th place — ahead of three incumbents who lost reelection — among 22 candidates.
Flynn is excited about the new position.
"When we see the high level of partisan politics in our national and state governments, I appreciate the independent, creative leadership Charter fosters in our city," he said in a prepared statement. "The Charter Committee will continue to focus on bringing the best governance to Cincinnati, including thoughtful changes to the city's Charter, and to support a budget and budget process which serves the best interests of the citizens of Cincinnati."
Formed in 1924, the Charter Committee helped end the corrupt political machine operated by "Boss" George Cox, a Republican who dominated City Hall and local politics, arranging tasks like fixing tax rates for friends and contributors.
Charter successfully pushed to create the city manager form of government, which was designed to depoliticize the daily administrative tasks of municipal government.
A resident has filed a complaint with the city's Law Department, alleging that Christopher Smitherman's dual role as a Cincinnati city councilman and president of the NAACP's local chapter constitutes an abuse of corporate powers.
In his complaint, resident Casey Coston states that the NAACP's status as a 501(c)(4) organization under the federal tax code allows it to lobby City Hall and participate in political campaigns and elections without jeopardizing its tax-exempt status. Such activities are a conflict of interest with Smitherman's council duties, Coston alleges.
"It would be the height of irresponsibly to commit funds they knew were not there," Rhodes said. "I've long criticized various governments for living in dream world.
"This takes it to a whole new level," Rhodes said.
It's deadline day for the Congressional super-committee charged with reducing the federal budget by $1.2 trillion, and talks are not going so well. The defense and national security budgets are going to face the majority of automatic spending cuts if the two sides can't make a deal.
Disagreements have centered on whether tax increases should form part of the budget reduction measures, with Democrats in favor of such rises but Republicans opposed.
A last-minute proposal that included some new taxes raised hopes in the final week of negotiations, but could not muster enough support. …
Republicans had also demanded cuts in entitlement programs, such as social security, Medicare and Medicaid — something that Democrats had shown willingness to permit, but only in return for tax rises on the rich that were not forthcoming from the other side.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson addressed Occupy Cincinnati yesterday at Piatt Park. Later in the day 15 individuals were arrested for staying in the park past its 10 p.m. closing time, the first arrests in weeks, as protesters have challenged the legality of the park closing at all. Jackson was reportedly scheduled to return to the park at noon on Wednesday to again speak with Occupy Cincinnati.
Several other municipal court judges either declined comment or said they would consider the point Stockdale makes in his letter if it is raised during the hearings.
Attorneys for the protesters said they intend to do just that. They already have asked judges to dismiss the charges on grounds the park board rules violate the free speech rights of the protesters.
They say Stockdale's letter raises another weakness in the city's case against their clients.
"Whether it's a violation of the First Amendment or an over-reach by the park board, they are clearly relevant questions," said Rob Linneman, an attorney for the protesters.
It's been a wild couple of days in local politics, with most of the names on East Side yard signs losing in Tuesday's City Council election. The newbies: Democrats P.G. Sittenfeld, Yvette Simpson and Chris Seelbach. The new Council will include only one Republican, Charlie Winburn, although Chris Smitherman acts like he's from all sorts of political parties. For the first time ever, the Council will be a majority African American, and Seelbach's win marks the first election of an openly gay candidate to Council.
Four members of the conservative majority that spent most of last year either blocking the mayor's initiatives or Twittering — Chris Bortz, Leslie Ghiz, Amy Murray and Wayne Lippert — were ousted, paving the way for Mayor Mallory and the seven Democrats on council to things they want to do. Congratulations "environmentalists and people who use health clinics!"
Happy Election Day! It looks like SB 5 is headed for a big defeat even though Gov. Kasich last night told a bunch of East Side Tea Partiers how cool it would be if Issue 2 passed, while a union representative told opponents of the bill that it was about to get "shoved down the throats of John Kasich and the Republicans."
The Hamilton County Administrator yesterday said "sorry homeowners, but our stadium deficit will not allow us to offer the tax credit Republicans said would make up for your part of the stadium sales tax." Commissioners Todd Portune and Chris Monzel today said they're going to include the credit even though they don't know how yet. Hopefully they can figure it out soon so they can work on adding public housing to the suburbs before the county gets sued by the Feds.
An organization called Citizens' League Against Subsidized Sports is gathering signatures for a ballot measure that would add a tax on Reds and Bengals tickets. Hamilton County Commissioner Greg Hartmann says he knows that the county's lease doesn't allow it to institute a ticket tax but that it doesn't say anything about a citizens' initiative.
Police costs are rising even though the force is shrinking, partially because it hasn't hired any new officers since 2008 while the top ranks have held steady.
The SB 5 debate is expected to draw a high voter turnout, which could bode well for school levies as voters come out to vote "no" on Issue 2.
The Ohio Elections Committee dismissed a complaint against COAST for allegedly making false tweets about Issue 48, but it was only because the complaint, filed by pro-streetcar group Cincinnatians for Progress, improperly named a COAST political action as a defendant or something. Streetcar advocates say they'll refile the complaint, and COAST lawyer Chris Finney says he'll win again. ("HAHAHA!")
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CGE arrives....Digging begins!!!!(for Pier)
Posted 27 March 2009 - 08:58 PM
Some details on the mount...
CGE(obviously LOL)
Cassidy tip in saddle
Cassidy 15,and 2x5lb CWs
Losmandy tripod knob set
Celestron CN-16GPS EASY setup for once!!!
I will get an image of this by Sunday(even IF it is cloudy out I want to see this puppy mounted!!! )
Pier details:
TOP:I made a homemade top plate pier adapter out of a piece of 6065 solid aluminum tube at 5-1/5"round(FITS PERFECTLY,for you DIY's!!!)bolted to an 8x8x5/8" Steel plate.ROCK SOLID.
This setup is going to be bolted into the concrete with 1/2"x4' treaded rod burried 3'-6" in concrete with rebar ties between each treaded rod..again,ROCK SOLID!!
The pier material:
A piece of 12" Storm drain PVC..I dont know if any og you guys have seen this stuff or not..Its a blue-ish color and is ~1"thick all the way around(obviously)....You could fill this with SAND and get a decen pier!!..
I dont have an image of it as it is sitting outside waiting for concrete..too dark to take an image(I will update tomorrow though!!!!!)
Here is the hole which all this is going to sit in..
This is ~3'Wx~3"Lx~18" deep around the main hole
The Pier is going to be sunk ~18" deeper in the center of that hole..
As you can tell it is going to be a ~12" concrete base wrapping the pier 360deg.I have Rebar going through the Pier(4x2'-6") at four spots kinda like a # symbol.so that I have rebar from the pier every~45deg...
SO,that is the game plan...its already in motion.BUT,I am hoping that if ANYONE sees any kind of weakness in this design you CAN let me know...concrete is not in yet..so nothing is set in stone
I will be updating this thread tomorrow when I pour concrete.WHICH BTW, SHOULD BE EASY AS PIE!!!! I work for an Electrical contractor and my boss owns a small concrete mixer..It can mix 2-1/2 to 3 80lb bags at a time..it might take a little while but it sure beats the PITA of mixing it in a bucket!!lol
THEN,hopefully sunday I will be bolting the CGE(ugh,it is the most beautiful mount I have ever seen in person...AND it is fareakin HEAVY!!I owned the ol' CI-700 which is supposedly the predecessor to the CGE...WELL the CI-700 WITH trpod weight = if not LESS than JUST the EQ head of the CGE!!I am hoping this is a GREAT sign that this mount WILL be able to grow WITH me and my Astro Imaging hobby,and NOT be a limiting factor in my AP...UNLESS I want that C14..unlikely,well maybe for visual though ..
Right now, I will be imaging primarily with a 10"F4.7 Newt
(Celestron,but GREAT optics!!). And a WO 66SD..I know...HUGE,and so small...no inbetween.Well right now I cant afford another big purchase since I just spent major(to me)$$$$ on the CGE with all Accys.....SO,I am going to pick up the Orion ST100mmF6 OTA for guiding the 66SD AND for NarrowBand imaging!!
Anyways,let me know what you guys think of this Pier design!!!AND,wait for new updates!!! I am SO STOKED!!
Cheers and clear skies!!
Posted 27 March 2009 - 09:33 PM
Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:08 AM
"solid aluminum tube at 5-1/5"round(FITS PERFECTLY,for you DIY's!!!)"
I believe you meant 5-1/2" round it you plan to fit the CGE electrical pier.
Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:27 AM
Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:56 PM
In your first post you typed:
"solid aluminum tube at 5-1/5"round(FITS PERFECTLY,for you DIY's!!!)"
I believe you meant 5-1/2" round it you plan to fit the CGE electrical pier.
I am so sorry,your right IT IS 5-1/2",I was in a hurry I think and obviously got it wrong,thanks!!!!
Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:59 PM
I think it will hold the space shuttle..LOL(not really )
Posted 28 March 2009 - 07:02 PM
BTW, it looks pretty solid to me....! Keep the progress pics coming.
Posted 28 March 2009 - 07:13 PM
Concrete is IN!!!!!
WHEW,that was fun...
But first,here are some images I didnt have yesterday:
The Pier material(outside of the concrete,so should we say concrete chase... ) is made of 1" thick (EXTREMELY)heavywall PVC(used for storm drains!!!)
Rebar going through the tube for added rigidity to pier "base".
READY FOR CONCRETE? I am!! The easy way too...well as easy as concrete can be I guess....
Ugh...GOD )*(&^#%%....stupid...hmmm,UGH...
WHEW...that was..."fun"
One more with one of my dogs!
This is all set and ready for curing..
All total,I have JUST OVER 1/2 TON OF CONCRETE in/around this sucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THATS RIGHT,no TYPO there....12x80lb bags,2x60lb bags =1080Lbs of concrete.640lbs in the 3'Wx3'Lx~16" deep base. and then 440 in the ~12" INSIDE diameter X60"tall tube...
WOW,is exactly what I said....
Anyways,tomorrow I will see how she looks and MIGHT bolt the CGE up to have a look(and take a pic!!!)...it is going to be cloudy for like the next 5 years....but hey,I will be ready for when the skies do clear..
Posted 28 March 2009 - 07:20 PM
I love posts like this - plus it just makes me long more and more for a fixed observatory. But Brent - lets see some photos of that CGE as well, huh....?
Ask and ye shall recieve..lol
This is it..my new pride and joy..tomorrow I will(hopefully)have fully assembled pics!!!
Cassidy tip in saddle and SScw are amazingly well crafted..ALONG with the CGE
Posted 28 March 2009 - 07:33 PM
Accuweather says clear skies for you tomorrow night....how long does it take for the concrete to cure enough for the CGE and ota to be installed on the pier?
You are inspiring me to do the same in my back yard.....
:>) mark
Posted 29 March 2009 - 12:47 AM
Posted 29 March 2009 - 08:44 AM
The picture of the mount by itself makes it look so small...
I've been window shopping at Casady's Astro Bling Boutique... NICE schtuff!! :money:
Posted 29 March 2009 - 10:32 AM
In your first post you typed:
"solid aluminum tube at 5-1/5"round(FITS PERFECTLY,for you DIY's!!!)"
I believe you meant 5-1/2" round it you plan to fit the CGE electrical pier.
I am so sorry,your right IT IS 5-1/2",I was in a hurry I think and obviously got it wrong,thanks!!!!
I was sure you got it right, didn't want others to get it wrong.
Nice pier. You can tell the wife an observatory will be next soon ;-)
Posted 29 March 2009 - 12:38 PM
Mark,I am actually going to let this cure fo another couple of days...I would have set it up later this afternoon(24 hours is plenty of time to "dry fit" the CGE,no scopes or weights,just the mount...)BUT,it has been raining all morning and that will easily add a lot more time to the curing process..
I am going to set it up by the middle to end of this week for sure(depending on the weather!!)
I am "planning" an OBS,but the wife....whew,thats a hard sell right there..
I MIGHT get away with complaining about not having a "shed" for the lawn mower and how we need to be able to park 2 cars in the garage and not just hers...and THEN,desing and build a roll off with an extra room for an actual "shed"...
Sounds good to me...but this economy will keep that from happening for at least a couple years,which is why I built the pier now(which could EASILY have an OBS built around it!!).
I will keep you all updated when I can actually SEE this thing in action,even if I cant use a scope with the mount...I just want to see it up there...
I am thinking about some kind of finish for the pier now..I dont think my wife is a fan of a bright blue ginormous(her exact word )tube sticking out of the ground.
Mark had a good idea of making it a bird bath when not in use..but she kinda laughed at that,dont think she needs me to go that far...
I was thinking of that Marbeled,cracked,or hammered paint look...then maybe some kind of stone walk way around it...hmmm
any other suggestions?
BTW,I am going to be puting in a quad outlet with weatherproof box mounted right to the side of the pier...AND,eventually,maybe some kind of small shelf going 180deg(opposite side of CW swing LOL) around for dew controllers,cam accys,CCD accys,EPs,etc,etc,etc...just think I might do it out of Aluminum,for some reason I cannot be a carpenter in my lifetime...but metal,give me metal and I am good...I like drills....and power tools...I think just heard that Tim Allen manly grunt coming from somewhere......
ALSO,in case any of you are wondering what something like this costs,here you go:
2)1/2"x3'(IIRC) Threaded rod ~$3.50 ea. so ~$14,AND nuts and washers for the rod..~$8
3)Rebar....I got this for free...I work in construction and on one of the jobsites saw some (I think it was)5/8"x3' pieces and asked the Masonary Foreman if he minded if I grabbed four of them...You CAN buy them at HomeDepot.But,if you see a job site with conrete guys there,it doesnt hurt to stop in and ask(just be prepared for some wierd looks and maybe even a yelling at from the Job Superintendant...they are all jerks..LOL).For me=FREE!!,MIGHT cost ~$15 total for 4 pieces..
4)Top Plate Materials.Aluminum scrap(round rod) AND Steel base plate(square) were ALL purchased on Ebay...Steel was ~$20(IIRC),and the Aluminum was ~$30 (IIRC)...pretty cheap..and some places on there will even cut your piece exactly the length you need and ONLY charge you for YOUR piece!!!
5)The Tube!!!!
This was another "jobsite thing"...except this time,I didnt work there...It was a City Road construction job and I saw a bunch of the sized tube I wanted and stopped in and asked the Foreman if "they have any "Scrap" pieces in X length to let me know,hold it aside for me,or to call me..."..he did,a couple days later he gave me a 12" piece!!!!! I only needed 6'..and only ended up using 5...LOL
so AGAIN,FREE...
There you have it.easy as,well...it was "easy"
Posted 29 March 2009 - 06:18 PM
LOL,thanks guys!!!
Mark,I am actually going to let this cure fo another couple of days...I would have set it up later this afternoon(24 hours is plenty of time to "dry fit" the CGE,no scopes or weights,just the mount...)BUT,it has been raining all morning and that will easily add a lot more time to the curing process..
As long as the rain isn't freezing, the extra water will improve the curing, and make the concrete stronger in the long run. Full strength for most concrete is obtained after a few weeks (28-day strength is the standard for structural work), but you'll have plenty of strength after a few days of curing.
Some folks think that concrete "dries", but it doesn't, so thanks for using the proper term "cures". Having plenty of water on hand for several days AFTER the surface is good and hard will make for strong concrete because the cement then can fully hydrate, and so that rain will likely go a long way towards preventing surface cracks, and it will help insure the most strength.
Your rebar work looks excellent. The only thing I'd suggest is making sure that the rebar below grade got fully covered with concrete, including at its ends. As long as you get a couple inches of cover over all the rebar, it'll last forever. Your design looks like it will work really well. Nice work!
Posted 29 March 2009 - 07:35 PM
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 10:46 PM
That tube is perfect, and I need a 7 foot piece. Been looking all over the net for one. Interested in getting rid of it?
Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:52 AM
Doug,Thanks for the tip on painting this thing..the more and more I look at it I REALLY think it needs to be a more outdoors color...NOT bright blue..I was thinking I would have to ATLEAST sand the sucker before anything would stick to it...and the Krylon paint does a great job on plastic,but I too have never tried it on PVC before..we shall see..
My neighbor asked me if I was building a rocket launcher stand.. :rofl2: I almost keeled over right there..it was great..he is a bit of a redneck(no offense to anyone intended,but he is actually a full blown wife beater wearin,recycle bin(S!!!) are always FULL of beer bottles..kinda redneck) and thought I had plans to "terrorize" something...AGAIN,I keeled over at the word "terrorize",just imagine that guy Boomhower(???) from King of the Hill talking to you and you can only understand about half of what he is saying...its great..
OF COURSE,I said no...lol :rofl5:
Again,not trying to offend anyone with my "stereotypical redneck neighbor comment".just thought it was funny enough worth sharing..
Matter of fact when I described what I was building to the road crew where I got the PVD tube..they too said it sounded like something to launch missles....
I better stop.big brother is going to cut me...of..shi....he....
Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:20 PM
I went and found my piece of drain pipe too. Yes, it is a beast. I was driving around and saw a farmfield on the edge of a development with some scraps lying about 200 yards from the road. Loaded it up in the minivan and brought it home.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:51 PM
PERFECT...it actually looks like the same stuff..just ben siting outside longer...
Thats awesome..AND FREE!!!
So we should be seeing your pier post soon right??
Posted 05 April 2009 - 07:17 PM
Here it is with about 5 coats of Rust-O-Leum Hammered Texture Light Grey/metallic.With A darker grey metallic for the Top plate(I asked the wife,she said Black,which is what I wanted,would be worse than the Blue that tube came in..so WE comprimised..LOL)Also with Quad outlets with Weatherproof cover..also painted...
AND one with the Mount finally installed..I wont have First Light until HOPEFULLY next weekend..which is RIGHT near NEW MOON..and NO,NOT THE BOOK(OR movie..come on,some of you know what I am talking about )
BTW,that is a 70lbs German Shepard Mix(for size comparison)!!
Clear Skies!!!!Hopefully for EVERYONE during the New Moon!!!!
Posted 05 April 2009 - 07:29 PM
Can't wait to see first light.
Posted 05 April 2009 - 07:33 PM
Pier(obviously ready)
CGE w/Cassidy SS CW's AND tip in saddle.CN16GPS.(Boy,am "I" PRIMED AND READY for this FIRST LIGHT!!!!!!)
StarLight Xpress HC916(Ready to go!!!BTW,AMAZINLY LOW DARK current in these cams..)
Canon XS w/Baader replacement filter,modded by myself!!(Ready for WF imaging with the 66SD)
Orion SS II Mono,mainly guide cam(READY to guide the CGE)
Atik Manual FW(Ready)
Astronomik FULL set of imaging filters LRGBHOS(in the mail!!)
Apogee 106mm F/6.2 Achro for guiding the 66SD AND for a middle F/L scope,because of being an achro(couldnt afford an APO of this size) I am strictly going to image NB and hope for the best..(ALSO,in the mail!!!!)
I know 99% of that had NOTHING to do with Mounts,BUT I AM FREAKIN excited!!!!Especially about ths SX HX916!!!SWEEEEEET cam....
And yes,I WILL get some images up of the whole setup WHEN it all arrives or by next weekend with the 10"Newt/66SD/XS or HX916 ready for imaging!!
Thanks for looking guys..and for all your support and positive feedback during my process..gotta love CN..I know,I do!!
Posted 05 April 2009 - 07:35 PM
How is the NEW gear search/sale going?
Have you decided on a new mount?I thought I heard you mention the CGEM before..you stickin with that?its a great mount,FWIHH!


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The men's squad finished third out of 21 teams, while the women's team also took third out of 23 teams.
There were 195 runners in the men's 8K race and 196 in the women's 5K meet.
Aaron Caldwell led the way for the Wildcats with his 8th-place finish in a time of 26:06. Two other Wildcats finished in the Top 11 including Jeremy Bryan in 10th in a time of 26:08.31 and twin brother Justin finished just behind him in 11th in a time of 26:08.32
Eric Larson and Taylor Nall rounded out the top five places for Baker, finishing in 40th and 52nd-place respectively.
"Our guys did an outstanding job today," said head cross country coach Zach Kindler. "We still need to work on closing the gap a little bit, but a great effort by our men's team despite the tough weather conditions."
Throughout the races on Saturday the weather was a factor, as it poured on the athletes from start to finish.
The women's team finished only behind NCAA Division II Eastern New Mexico State and Rogers State.
Like she did in the Maple Leaf Invitational two week's ago, Lauren Jaqua led the Wildcats with her time of 18:52 and fifth-place finish.
Kerry Kurta finished in 36th-place in a time of 19:32 and Ashley McBride finished not far behind her in 43rd. Megan Rosa took 45th and Lindsey Brown finished with the fifth fastest time of any Baker women's runner with her time of 19:54 and 48th-place finish.
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While lightness is always a good thing, there are a few places on the bike that deserve a look at function first. Perhaps you like more surface area than the standard XT pedals offer. These Shimano XT PD-M785 Pedals have an integral cage that gives you a greater area to hit when you have to "stab" at them in the heat of the moment. You'll also be able to count on more support for your foot as you pedal. If you ride in anything softer than uber-stiff carbon soled shoes, this is where you'll notice the greatest benefit.
As usual, the workhorse XT parts get some trickledown from Shimano's flagship XTR line. The shape of the cage is very similar to the more expensive XTR parts; and at a glance, they look identical. The retention mechanism functions exactly the same. For your hard-earned dollars, there is no comparison for XT pedals. They'll always give you the best performance-per-dollar. The key difference is seen on the gram scale. XTR is significantly lighter thanks to their use of higher grade materials and subtle trimming of excess fat. And for this caged version, you'll gain about 30 grams per pedal over the standard-sized XT PD-M780 Pedals.
Like all other Shimano SPD pedals, it's a two-sided design so you can have easy access without concern for pedal position. The two-bolt SH-51 cleats (included) have 4 degrees of float to allow some movement in your ankle as you pedal. The Shimano XT PD-M785 Pedals are Dark Grey and have an aluminum body that relies on sealed cartridge bearings to spin on a plated chromoly axle. The retention mechanism can be adjusted on both sides to accommodate your preferred release tension.
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Best pedals I have ever owned.
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I run these on my mountain bike and the race pedals on my cross bike. I've owned the pedals for about a year and they have beaten through ever rock garden I can find and still work perfectly. If you want durable, components are a reasonable price look no further than Shimano XT.
Best pedal for the price
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
They're burly and hold up to the rocks well, and SPD is my favorite cleat system for mnt riding and clears dirt/mud well. They're heavier than they look, so if you're looking to dump weight and save $$ get the SPD without the platform(my old set), or go up to the next level. However, the bike is still under 25lbs.
do they come with the cleats included?
Power to the Pedal
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I have a set of these on my trail bike and love them. I've been a long time SPD user and like to stick with what works. This is the same quality as a standard XT SPD pedal but with the added support of the larger platform. The large platform comes in handy, especially if you descend a lot, because it dissipates the pressure over a larger surface area.... in short you just have less of a chance to get a hot spot under your foot. Save some money over the XTR version by going with these and add only 29 grams of weight.
Great Product (as expected)
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
Been using a set of Shimano PD M424's for about 12 years (still using them on my backup bike) and, although they have been through a 1000 ringers, they still work great. So, when it came time to buy pedals for the new bike, I stuck with Shimano and upgraded to these beauties. I haven't been kind to them so far (laid the bike down twice yesterday alone - once on each pedal) but they are just fine. Smooth operation, solid reassuring click going in, but no worries getting out of them. Haven't even adjusted them - just took them out of the box and mounted them up. Pretty sure they will last as long as I have the bike, and if my wife has any say (of course she does), I'm not getting a new bike for a looong time.
Platform makes it easier to clip in
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I've been using spd pedals >15yrs. I finally upgraded my recent set of XT race pedals to these so I could have more of a platform when riding technical stuff unclipped. Larger Platform also makes it easier to find the right place to clip in (and gives you more confidence while doing so). A no-brainer
The Nice of XTR Without the Price
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
Alex V's review is spot on, IMO. ...as are MANY of the other reviews.
I'll add another vote for durability. I've pinged these things off countless stumps, slammed them into flatrock in Moab, and generally put them through the wringer over the past couple of years and they still work (but not look) like a charm. The metal in these pedals should be called undestructanium.
What I expected
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
These having been the only SPD pedals I've used for an extended period, my experience will be limited. Having been frustrated with my feet occasionally coming off the pedals on rough terrain I began to shop around for some SPD pedals.
Not really sure what I wanted I compared several types and in various price ranges though I also didn't want to go too high. Eventually I ended up settling for these and have been more than pleased with them but I did do my research/read reviews beforehand.
I like the bigger platform, especially when first starting out as I found it gave me a better surface to stand on before I was clicked in. They were easy enough to install and haven't had any issues so far - I currently ride with Shimano M162 shoes.
I'll also mention that I live in Canada and had no issues with getting these delivered. At the end of the day, after figuring in the exch rate and shipping, I saved about 30 bucks. For some that may be worth it, for others you may want the peace of mind of being able to return it locally if there's any issues.
Thanks for the info Alex, great review!
Very nice pedals!
I bought these after getting hooked on my Look Keo Max 2 pedals that I bought for my road bike. It was very hard going back to my trail bike(s) that had just plain pedals. I craved the clip in feel for that bike too as I'm sick of my feet slipping around. I love my local bike shop but I loved the price on this site better. I got to see the difference between the XT and the XTR pedals and there's no perceivable difference in weight. Besides when dealing with bikes that weigh ~23 pounds, who cares about grams?!?! I've used these just once so far and they're better then I ever expected. The only bad thing is, I was stuck in a rain storm and I noticed later that the screws on the cleats started to rust so make sure the shoes dry well. They're much easier to get in and out of then the Look Keo Max 2 so I had to actually tighten the spring. I came back to buy another pair for my other trail bike that I use as a beach cruiser. I bought SIDI Dominator shoes for these pedals.
No looking back.
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
I used to use Crank Brothers Candy 3's and decided to make the switch to these about a month ago after getting tired of the Candy's inconsistent release. I love these! They're extremely predictable. I was debating between these and the xt race pedals and am glad I got the trails. I really like having the extra platform. It feels like it provides extra support underfoot and is big enough to descend techy stuff on if you can't get clipped in in time. The release tension is adjustable and mine came adjusted to about the middle. I've loosened mine to about as easy as possible and will tighten them if I find myself coming out of the pedals prematurely.
I can use these pedals with clips on one...
I can use these pedals with clips on one side and regular sneakers on the other, right? Also any SPD clip shoes will work?
Hey Craig W,
This pedal has the spd clip on both sides. You could ride on them with sneakers but you would be standing on the spd clip itself. The surrounding cage would provide some support. If you would like a pedal that offers the spd clip on one side and a platform on the other check out the shimano A530, Shimano PD-MX80 Saint Pedals, or any of the PD-M series dual platform pedals. All of the shimano pedals will use the standard SPD cleat. If you have any questions feel fre to contact one of our experts via live chat or by calling us at 1-800-409-4502.
Great Pedals
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
My first clip pedals, I mountain bike approximately 2-3 times a week. I was a little hesitant of buying clip pedals. After about 6 rides I am starting to get use to them. I have fell a couple times but overall I would highly recommend these pedals. They are easy to clip in and out for a new user.
I'm looking for a two sided platform pedal...
I'm looking for a two sided platform pedal that my wife can use for road biking. She is used to the release characteristics of her Shimano mountain bike pedals and prefers her mountain bike shoes. We tried Shimano road pedals but they don't release in quite the same way. After reading the comments in the Reviews, I'm just a little concerned about the consistency of release on these pedals. Any comments?
These pedals have an adjustable release. When I got mine, the release tension was cranked all the way up, and they were like bear traps. I backed them off a few clicks, and now they are great.
Shimano xt trail pedals
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
These are great pedals and are vastly improved from the old style shimano. I'm still more of a Egg beater guy.....
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
First off, I've ridden SPDs for almost 15 years, exclusively Shimano, and mostly XT. These pedals were a pain when I first got them...the factory grease was too thick when I first started using them and I could not get out of them even with the adjuster ratcheted to the easiest setting. I fell over on the road before a ride, couldn't unclip, broke my wrist...so yeah, I'm a little bitter. But I still got up and rode dadgummit. Thankfully Google was invented, because I learned if you soak these in WD40 and degrease them overnight, then apply your own light lubrican (Shimano greased these with lubrican't) and ride the heck out of them, they loosen up. I use them now, but still would not recommend them because after a few hundred miles I see very little benefit to the wide platform. They are just heavier, and catch rocks on techy terrain. I'd recommend these same pedals (over all other pedals) without the platform. Want a wider platform? Get a good set o' flats like Spike Spanks. Want SPDs? Avoid these.
Best Pedal
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I love these pedals, they have great retention and just the right amount of float. They are incredibly durable. I have beat them against every surface imaginable for the last two years. The platform is great and very stable and if it is a sketchy part of the ride you can unclip and ride on top of the platform to sooth your soul a little bit. The only downside I have experienced in these pedals is they aren't the best in the mud but will still work and occasionally they will get a little stiff but you need to do to fix it is put a few drops of chain lube on the springs and they are good as new. All in all, I love these pedals and would recommend them to any and everyone. If you have any questions about these pedals, feel free to give me a call. I'm happy to talk about these or any other pedals.
Here is my contact information: My direct line 801.736.6396 ex. 4389. Feel free call to me anytime, I?m always happy to talk about bikes or gear or the weather. Whatever works! I?m here Mon, Tues and Friday 1:30-10pm MST and Saturday 9-5:30 as well as Sunday 10-7. I look forward to speaking with you.
XT Trail Pedals
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
After years of using conventional Shimano SPD pedals without any platform I find it difficult to go back. Previously I didn't think I would need any additional platform, but it truly does help, not to mention add more protection to the mechanism. These pedals can take some abuse and will put up a fight for more rock shots that I'm willing to admit. The bearings are noticeably smoother than Shimano's M520/M530 pedals, but I think the weight is more of the selling point in my eyes. Riding in mud and snow can gunk up the ability to get into the pedals, but is something I can deal with for the minimal amount it occurs. If you ride in muddy conditions often, something like an Eggbeat may be a better option for its mud shedding capabilities.
Look no further
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
While you may be able to shell out the coin for XTR, I would look no further than the XT, unless you are really looking to keep the bike light. I have owned both sets, and believe that the XT's are a superior pedal due to the durability of the cage, and the fact that the XT's bearings did not develop play like the xtr's.
The slight cage is enough for support on long descents, but unnoticeable while climbing. All the benefits coupled with the fact that Shimano Pedals last at least 10 years is a real win in this case. I am still using a set of M545's that I purchased in 2002. That's a solid 11 years of service!
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
These things are awesome. The only reason SPD pedals aren't the gold standard in the mountain pedal world is because their mud shedding capabilities aren't as good as Crank Brothers or TIME. These things have handled hundreds of rock strikes, and still click in and out perfectly, and bearings are still spinning smooth and crisp. I never want to worry about my pedals on my bike, I just want them to work, and these definitely fulfill that wish.
Solid Pedal
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I just switched back to these after being on Crank Brothers Mallets. The first thing I can say is the retention and release system on Shimano pedals is superior. I went with the mallets for trail all mountain use due to the large platform, however the cage on the XT Trail pedals has provided me with similar feel. I also feel like these pedals are more durable than the crank brothers.


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I tried numerous ways to use $rand(1;100)$ in my game, and try to output the value, or get the value assigned to a numeric variable, or a string variable and have not succeeded. I get internal error many times, and I'm sure I'm using it wrong.
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We've just set up our first Zimbra server on a NAT'd SuSE 10 box, so we've been spending some time searching the forums for posts regarding DNS.
I thought it might be helpful to post our experiences regarding DNS with Zimbra and DNS in general, given that we have set up a number of Postfix boxes for our own and our clients' use over the years. Feedback and differing views are welcomed!
First, our preferred Linux is SuSE, not Red Hat. Not that either is better or worse than the other, but we now have a lot of experience with SuSE (both the OpenSuSEs and SLES9/10) so we'd like not to spend cycles learning the unique "gotchas" of Red Hat.
With regard to DNS, the docs and the forum posts seem to presume a config where the Zimbra server gets a public IP address and runs bind and iptables. Our preferred config is to give our servers private IP addresses, with NAT performed by an enterprise-grade hardware firewall and with bind not installed.
We like this config for the following reasons:
1. We like offloading the firewall work to a dedicated device, which also does RBL checks, A/V, A/Spam, A/Phishing and IPS, and which results in a much lower load on the mail server and (we'd like to believe) better security for the mail server.
2. We like offloading DNS lookups (and we know Postfix does a lot of them for anti-UCE work) to the redundant DNS servers provided by our colo host. Their DNS servers rarely get rebooted or have bind restarted, so we benefit from the cached DNS lookups on those servers and the reduced workload on our servers.
3. We like the elimination of configuring zone files on bind, when our own domain host (Interland) and our client's domain hosts typically provide very slick GUI-based DNS managers to administer the DNS servers which are authoritative for those domains. Even if our colo host didn't provide fast DNS servers, we'd prefer to run bind as a locally caching dns server only, without any zone files.
4. Since we've seen some of our friend's dns servers get hacked, we are happy to avoid managing dns services if we can at all avoid doing so.
5. Since so much routine work is offloaded to other boxes, the number of accounts which can be serviced on a single Zimbra host is increased significantly.
As a result of the above preferred setup, we had to tweak our Zimbra config and firewall as follows:
1. We added entries to /etc/hosts for both the public and private IP addresses of the Zimbra server.
2. We had to open a port in the firewall for lmtp communications between the public and private IP addresses of the Zimbra server.
3. We had to change the default domain selected by the install script from the fqdn of the Zimbra host to the domain of the Zimbra host.
4. We had to use postconf to add 'proxy_interfaces = <public ip>' to postfix's main.cf file where <public ip> is the public ip address of the Zimbra host (NAT'd by the firewall) since postfix needs to know it's public IP. (The postfix documentation at postfix.org has the details on why this is so.)
So, all of the above is doable, but seemingly not standard and not documented in any one place (at least that we could find). In any event, we've been testing our new Zimbra host this weekend with some half dozen domains and a few thousand emails, and while we haven't tackled importing calendars, contacts, existing mail messages, etc., yet, we've read enough forum posts to feel we'll be OK there.
Presently, we are using the OSS version of Zimbra. But we know a number of our clients will want the features of the Professional editition, so we expect to be a paying customer within the next two months. But...
Since we like to build mail servers to last five years or so, may we ask if Zimbra has a timetable for releasing a version that will run on SLES10? (We tried already; we got it mostly working but weren't comfortable doing what we had to do to get it working.)
And if someone has different views than we do on configuring dns, would love to hear the whys and wherefores.
With best regards to all,


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The Founder Institute, the world's largest startup accelerator, is preparing to launch a very promising Melbourne 2016 (Exploratory) Semester.
We have many great startup mentors confirmed, and impressive founders are beginning to enroll in the program as well. But, time is running out to apply.
This Sunday (2016-07-10) is the Early Application Deadline. If you apply by Sunday, you get to take the Predictive Admissions Test for free ($50 value), and are also eligible to receive one of several Founder Institute Fellowships.
If you could use expert training and advice to launch a technology startup in Melbourne, then apply today.
In the Founder Institute's four-month, part-time program, promising startup entrepreneurs "learn by doing" and launch a company through structured training courses, practical business-building assignments, and expert feedback from a large network of business mentors. Plus, aspiring founders are not required to quit their day job to participate, so they can begin building a business around their ideas without putting their livelihood at risk.
Leading the Founder Institute's efforts in Melbourne are Matt Allen and Sebastian von Conrad. Matt Allen has been running startups since the mid-90's, and is now focused on helping startups avoid the same mistakes he made. Sebastian von Conrad works as a development manager at Envato, a Melbourne-based company running some of the world's largest online marketplaces and education sites.
In addition, participants in Melbourne will receive expert training and feedback from an impressive list of mentors, including;
- Alan Downie: CEO, Marcopod (Bugherd)
- Alan Tsen: Co-Founder, Spectrum Tuition
- Ashley Leach: Managing Director, PoE: Points of Engagement
- Ben Webster: CEO, Insvrance.com
- Christina Chen: Director, Surprise Attack
- Collis Ta'eed: CEO, Envato
- Daniel Ringrose: Business Coach, Future Results
- Darcy Naunton: General Partner, York Butter Factory / Adventure Capital
- Gary Tramer: Co-Founder, WebReception
- Humphrey Laubscher: Innovation Manager, Nab Labs
- Indi June: Founder
- James Tuckerman: Founder, Editor-In-Chief, Anthill Magazine
- Jason Lim: General Manager, York Butter Factory
- Justin French: Product Manager, Envato
- Kurt Falkenstein: Founder, General Standards
- Mark Hendrickson: CEO and Co-founder, Side Racket
- Mark Middleton: Founder, Reminisce Entertainment Pty Ltd
- Marty Andrews: Co-Founder & CEO, Cogent
- Matt Allen: GM & Co-Founder, Lookahead Search Melbourne
- Matt Knee: Founder, Work Ninja
- Michael Jankie: Co-founder, LeadChat
- Ryan Tietjens: Co-founder, Interactive Accounting
- Sally Gatenby: Director, Larkspur Communications
- Scott Julian: CEO, Gyde.tv
- Sebastian von Conrad: Solutions Lead, Envato
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Bellator interested in Rampage, but not Barnett
"Our focus right now is the next three months, Rebney continued. "Everything we're doing right now is focused on that. [Barnett] hasn't been a topic of conversation in our meetings with the staff. Josh is a great character and he's had some great fights, but its not really on our radar."
As for "Rampage," Rebney indicated a fondness for the former light heavyweight champion and wouldn't rule out the notion of a potential signing if Jackson decides to test free agency waters after the final fight of his UFC contract on Jan. 26. But Rebney said the big question is whether Jackson has enough left in the tank to make a go under Bellator's format.
"I used to watch 'Rampage' when he fought in Pride," Rebney said. "That's a tough question. He's an awesome, awesome fighter, and an incredible personality, and I've been a fan for a lot of years. How he could conceptually fit within the format and the structure we have? That is something where I would have to get people smarter than I around the table and discuss. I don't think he'd deny he's at the latter stages of his career. He's suffered a lot of injuries but he's still a rock star at a very high level, and we'll see what happens with his next fight. But we'll still have to sit around and figure out where he fits. He's exciting, he's entertaining, but, that would be one of those square peg, round hole situations, but sometimes you can make those work. It would depend on a lot of stuff. It would depend on the legalities of where he is with the UFC. ... We'll see. Who knows."


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Man dies from injuries in June accident
Published: Friday, August 30, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
Last Modified: Friday, August 30, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
An Ocala man struck by a vehicle while walking down a road in north Marion County in late June has died.
Florida Highway Patrol troopers said Friday that Robert James, 55, was pronounced dead at UF Health at Jacksonville on Aug. 23. Officials said James died from complications from wounds he received in the crash, which occurred June 29.
Authorities said Monica K. Mitchell, 27, of Gainesville, was driving a 2005 Ford Expedition north on U.S. 441/U.S. 301 in the outside lane, approaching County Road 329. James, they said, was walking in the outside lane of U.S. 301, north of the intersection.
Mitchell traveled through the intersection at CR 329, and she saw James and tried to stop, but the left front of her vehicle struck him.
The accident occurred at 1:55 a.m.
James was transported to UF Health Shands Hospital in Gainesville in critical condition. He was later transferred to Jacksonville, where he died.
Troopers said it is not known where James was going.
At this point, it does not appear speed or alcohol were a factor on the part of the driver, troopers said, adding that the investigation remains open.
James' death is the 34th for the year in the county, four of which occurred inside Ocala city limits.
Of the 34 deaths, five were pedestrians, officials said.
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is stylishly crafted and fits against an outside wall. This Direct Vent
Furnace includes a wall thermostat, emits 25,000 BTUs, and is for
Propane Gas.
»» Application:
For heating indoor areas
»» Features:
The Empire Direct Vent Wall Furnace
Includes wall thermostat
Emits 25,000 BTUs
Designed to heat larger areas
Convenient and economical
Stylishly crafted
Fits against outside walls
Propane Gas
»» Product Notes / Warranty / Manufactures Website:
Manufacturer's Website


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Thanks for the expertise...back to the clutch, but now I know what to do when the cable breaks!
* Posts: 3 Karma: 0 View Profile Email Personal Message (Offline)progressive shifting« on: October 06, 2012, 03:29:24 PM » QuoteGoing to professional truckdrivers school, talked about using progressive shifting on motorcycles, one participant has a KLR 650 thumper, doesn't use the clutch, he says he shifts when the torque starts to come in around 1900 rpm, says it should slip into gear like an automatic. Instructor said, when you start to feel torque, shift, by floating the gears, ie, no clutch. I found this to be true, go into 2nd at, say 8mph, 3rd at 18-20 mph, 4th at 30mph.
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