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The second and third day out we spent on the docks at Mechanic street. David starts his demo at 9AM. Note his beginning washes look more like simple colored shapes...
The finish is still very much about color and visual shapes and pattern and less about the boat.
Still for me, a boat is a boat is a boat. And I find boats just as daunting as bridges - so out comes the Moleskine sketchbook. It's thumbnail time.
My unfinished so-called boat painting...blech :(
So I take another route and refer to David's ever-present portfolio. Ah ha! A beautiful boat painting by Edward Hopper - I'll do a thumbnail of this to warm me up!
Doing the copy is so much fun, I plunge in to a larger version to see more clearly what Hopper was up to.
*Never hesitate to make copies of paintings you like. It's the best way to put yourself in another artist's shoes and understand what they were doing. After all, you're in a great tradition. Leonardo da Vinci was an apprentice toVerrocchio and copying was part of the job.
Later on I do a very blurry, atmospheric boat - you can get away with a lot less information when there's mist on the scene...
Here's an exquisitely misty boat of J.M.W.Turner's.
End of every workshop day at 4, David gives us an hour crit and you learn from everyone's work. End of a trip to Maine...
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Brilliant value now. You can get a new like body for around £100 in UK. The LCD is really great with great visibility outdoors. The mushy details are no longer problem if shoot raw using Raw Therapee free RAW editor, which has great film simulations as well. The camera is pleasure to shoot with adapted lenses and I have no native AF lens yet as I don't feel need for it. Results with Canon FDn 50mm F1.4 and 28mm F2.8 are absolutely stunning. This is the camera which does not get in your way when you want to take stunning photos. I shoot it mostly in shutter priority with auto ISO where exposition compensation adjust the image brightness by lowering or increasing ISO value with adapted lenses. Once click on the real dial magnifies the view to allow for accurate manual focusing, longer click engages focus peaking which makes for absolutely hassle free, pleasurable and seamless operation.
Fujifilm X-M1 Review
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When Fujifilm introduced its X-system back in January 2012, it took the unusual step of starting out with a top-end professional model - the retro-looking but technologically innovative X-Pro1, which features the company's unique 'hybrid' optical/electronic viewfinder. Nine months later it followed this up with the enthusiast-orientated X-E1, which offers much the same feature set in a smaller body, but makes do with a purely electronic viewfinder. Now, nine months on again, comes the latest model: the distinctly mid-range-looking, miniaturized X-M1.
On the face of it, the X-M1 is a very different camera to its higher-end siblings. Gone are the traditional shutter speed and exposure compensation dials from the top-plate, along with the aperture ring from the new XC 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OIS kit zoom. Instead the camera uses a conventional exposure mode dial, along with twin electronic control dials on the top and rear to set exposure parameters. The X-M1 is also the first in the X system to feature a direct movie record button on the back of the camera to initiate recording at any time. In essence it's a thoroughly contemporary design.
Fujifilm X-M1 specification highlights:
- 16MP X-Trans CMOS APS-C sensor, EXR Processor II
- ISO 200-6400, expandable to 100 - 25600
- Up to 5.6 fps continuous shooting
- 0.5 sec startup time
- 1920 x 1080 Full HD movie recording at 30 fps with stereo sound
- Twin control dials, top and rear
- Focus peaking (for setting focus before shooting)
- 920k dot 3-inch 3:2 LCD display - tilts 120° upwards and 80° downwards
- Built-in Wi-Fi for image transfer to mobile device or PC
|The X-M1 uses the same 16.3 megapixel X-Trans CMOS sensor found in Fujifilm's other X system cameras. That's good news, since this sensor has drawn praise from DPReview and photographers alike.
One thing that the X-M1 has in common with its more expensive siblings is its sensor. We've been impressed with this 16 megapixel X-Trans APS-C CMOS sensor in our reviews of cameras like the X-E1 and X100S, with JPEG quality so high that you rarely need to use Raw. If you want to learn how X-Trans sensors work, head on over to our X-E1 review.
Unlike the other X-system cameras, the X-M1 has no eye-level viewfinder at all, nor any option for a plug-in electronic viewfinder. Instead it uses an articulating rear screen, which is a 3-inch, 3:2 aspect ratio unit with 920k dot resolution. It can tilt to face almost directly downwards for overhead shots, or upwards for waist-level shooting. The X-M1 also has a 'focus peaking' feature that highlights high-contrast edges to assist manual focus.
Fujifilm says the X-M1 is designed to attract a broader range of users than the enthusiast photographers targeted by the X-E1, and it gains an array of features to reflect this. So it offers a full set of scene-based automatic exposure modes, 'Advanced filter' image processing options, along with face detection and subject-tracking autofocus modes. It also offers built-in Wi-Fi for remote control, geotagging, and image sharing with mobile devices. Overall, the X-M1's feature set and form factor places it squarely up against cameras like the Sony NEX-5T and Olympus PEN E-PL5.
The X-M1 is still an X-system camera, of course and retains many of X-E1 and X-Pro1's best features. Most importantly it includes Fujifilm's 'Film Simulation' modes, which we think offer among the most attractive JPEG color rendition of any brand. However it doesn't have as many options as the higher-end models (the ProNeg and filtered monochrome options are omitted).
The X-M1 also offers Fujifilm's 'Super Intelligent Flash', which adjusts flash output according to the shooting situation. This is good news as Fujifilm's cameras have gained a reputation among users of offering especially good flash exposure, particularly for balanced fill-in flash. The built-in flash can also be used as a wireless remote commander for compatible external units.
Other features on offer include Fujifilm's excellent Q-menu for quickly changing key settings, and in-camera Raw conversion (which helps get the most out of the excellent JPEG engine). But inevitably a few features are missing - for example there's no microphone input for movie recording, and disappointingly no electronic level display.
Color options
The X-M1 comes in three color schemes; black, silver and brown. The brown version will be available a bit later than the other two - and in some markets will be exclusive to certain retailers. In addition, the two lenses announced at the same time - the XC 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OIS and the XF 27mm F2.8 - will be available in black or silver, with the latter color providing a better match to the brown X-M1 in particular.
|The X-M1 comes in brown, black and silver options
Kit options and pricing
The X-M1 will be sold as a kit with the XC 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OIS (described on page 3) in all regions, with an MSRP of $799 / £679 / €799. In the US and Europe, the X-M1 will be also be available body-only for $699 / €679. In some regions other lenses may also be offered as kits, for example the tiny XF 27mm F2.8 or the XF 18-55mm F2.8-4.0 R LM OIS.
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Other thing that needs to be highlighted as well is that Fuji has cleverly separated bracketing options from self timers which is rarely seen on other mirrorless cameras and lets you shoot bracketed photos without shutter release on tripod. When processing high ISO RAWs in Raw Therapee I have no absolute need to reduce noise as that is how good the RAW output looks from X-TRANS. Buy body only and get some vintage lenses with adapter, you won't regret it!
"it's wrapped with a faux leather material. We found this material to be a bit slippery, which doesn't give you a lot of confidence when you're holding the camera." damn. still better than x-t1's rubber coated body that started to peel just after a year of shooting. damn you fuji.
Olympus E-M10 + 20mm 1.7 or Fuji X-M1 + 35mm 1.4?
I need a smaller backup camera and deciding between this two.
Hi. Has anyone used the WiFi extensively.? I need this in an apple packhouse and while usage wont be huge I will need to WiFi up to 20 photos a day of around 500KB size. Thanks for any info you may have.
If iPad connected to M1 via NFC, will Voice Over in iPad read/speak data/words reflected on camera LCD???
first of all, ipad does not have an NFC.
I am confused...thought it didnt matter, that i would only have to physically go into settings and manually connect. Maybe that only for wifi downloading, not NFC??
I think the text has to be, well, "text" for it to be "read", not a photo of text.
Does anyone know if the x-m1 has a time lapse mode or a self shutter that takes multiple images or a series of shots?
Sorry, the X-M1 doesn't have a time lapse mode.
Yes it takes 2 x multiple shots. it also has a choice of 3 or 5 shots per second multi-burst
I have the XA-1 which is the same body as the XM-1, very bendy plastic especially at the bottom of the grip area near the battery door, it can be pushed in very easily.
However whether the body is magnesium alloy or plastic both would self destruct if dropped onto concrete.
I am more than happy with the results I have got from the XA-1 camera even though DPR gave it a very cursory look, comparing the sensor in this to the x trans sensor I can't really see much difference for the extra money.
In some aspects the bayer sensor looked to me to be sharper.
The only gripe I have is the lack of a grip, but you can buy one for it???
Why not make it that shape in the first place?
Never mind, I'm waiting for my free 27mm pancake lens I hope to receive from Fuji,
which effectively makes the camera free.
Sorry, I compared the two cameras and the XA-1 is much more plasticky than the XM-1. The M has metal dials and feels more solid in the body due to it being made of magnesium.
The body of X-M1 looks like made in China-like lower grade plastic body. I done't like this body. It is not rule of buissiness. 750 won or dollar! Oh my God!
Ony one want to picture great camera must buy.
The body of X-M1 is bad, truly bad, very Bad.
Stop being so dramatic when you haven't even held this camera. I own the X-M1, and the body is just right for the price. Great camera, by the way. The body of the X-M1 is Good, Truly Good, Very Good.
Shut up you idiot, it's the best made cheap camera I've ever held. It's magnesium not plastic!
I just read your ill comment. Are you mad or drunk or are you completely dumb ?
Can anyone confirm (or not) that this camera will also work with the regular FX lenses that have an aperture ring, and if so, is the aperture controlled by the ring or by the camera?
Yes, you can switch between lens based controls or rear/top panel toggles. I have xf 35 on my x-m1 and use rear/top controls. Lenses have a "A" mode on dial to switch to rear/top controls.
When using a Xf lens, how do you assign one of the dials to control shutter speed? For example, by default, in A mode, one is set to control EC while the other Aperture. How do you over ride this when the aperture control on the lens is set to A? Conversely, what do you do when a Xc lens is used on Xe or X pro? I am surprised that the review did not cover these.
You can get this for £269 with kit lens now after cashback. Bargain?
Where do I get this for £269 ???
£369 is the cheapest I've seen, and a fantastic bargain at that price.
Amazon give you £100 credit and fuji give you £100 cashback
I think there is a mistake in this sentence : "We've been impressed with this 16 megapixel X-Trans APS-C CMOS sensor in our reviews of cameras like the X-E1 and X100S".
If the sensor of the X-M1 is the same as the X-E1, the X100S has a new version of the X-Trans, the X-Trans II. At the moment only the X100S and the new X-E2 have the new X-Trans II.
It is a crucial point, since the different versions of the sensors are what make the differences between Fuji models :
- X-Trans I for X-Pro 1, X-E1 and X-M1
- X-Trans II for X100S and X-E2
- Conventional CMOS sensor for X-A1
Fuji offers some very nice lenses - many brighter than the competition's equivalents.
Pity that they don't offer a bayer pattern model, with a wider dynamic range.
As things stand now, you have to choose either a good lens, or better sensor. You can't have both. not in APS.
I've been happy with the DR400 mode even on my X100, which has noisier high ISO performance than this one. The greatest weakness of these modes is the added noise since it's shooting at a higher sensitivity, but really, ISO 800 only has very fine noise on this body so I think the outlook is good for satisfying high DR shooting.
Why's the dynamic range lower than the other models? Lower than quite a few mirrorless cameras, in fact.
indeed it is. you can attribute that to one of two things: either a supplemental condition imposed by a higher proportion of green pixels in the xtrans (over bayer), or simply due to fuji's sensor technology. take your pick... but I doubt Fuji would give us the answer, because they'd have to admit to that first, to answer the question.
What I was asking about specifically was the dynamic range of the XM1 compared to the other X-series cameras in the range. I am wondering why there should be a difference with the same sensor.
If you look at the XE1 dynamic range curves, Timmbits, you'll see it fares quite well compared to other cameras.
I had a Pany GX1 for travel and was considering the GX7 but I've always admired the Xtrans sensor and this might be the compact system for me.
How come this camera got a slightly higher "Performance" rating than E-M5 while it only shoots 6 fps vs 9 (and cannot even run live view at 3 fps), focuses slower, has smaller buffer?
X Trans cmos 6x6 color array with rgb best positioned is the answer for high quality of pics
very good question.
mind you, there's more to the world than just omdem5...
SONY NEX--6 78% - Silver award.
Fujifilm X-M1 77% - GOLD award.
Can you explain why?
Price is almost the same.
NEX-6 has viewfinde, Fuji - doesn't;
Better menu, better JPEG's etc.
Menu - subjective...
Better JPEG? the difference is so minimal, that you can see it only in some crops.
How about video quality?
I would hope that they are not treating the X-M1 and the Nex-6 in the same class of camera since one has built in EVF.
Sony NEX-6 £600 is excellent value high end device competing with X-E1, E-M5, GX7 etc.
X-M1 £680 is a mid range device competing with NEX-5, E-PL5 etc.
The only justification for the higher price is the faster lenses available for the Fuji. Tough sell!
Valid point. Inconsistency in marking. In my school days, too long ago now to remember, lol, 78% was better than 77%. Odd then, that the higher percentage is only deserving of a Silver Award.
But when it boils down to it, whatever we may personally feel, these marks are still subjective, that of the reviewer. Others will undoubtedly think differently.
DPR have explained many times that the scoring system and the awards are unconnected.
Once use it and see picture quality of 6x6 color array of xtrans cmos
Overall, I like the new tool. Sometimes the jpegs were taking a long time to refresh but I'm guessing that might be because of a lot of users looking at it right now.
It would be nice to see the Olympus E-5 represented. There's the new E-M1 and other micro 4/3 but no 4/3 system. I know Olympus has said that micro 4/3 is their future but it would be a shame to not include the E-5 and it's 4/3 lenses for comparison.
Sorry - this was meant for the new test scene article - my bad
looks like a great little camera and some people just need to get over the OVF and xtrans sensor thing, I love my 5D3 and my x100s and want Canon to produce this with a 16mp CMOS sensor and fast AF.
There is just no getting around that an OVF is a wonderful thing and the lack of one can certainly be a deal breaker for many people
Fuji are trying to run through the entire alphabet quicker than any other manufacturer, it seems. Thankfully I narrowly escaped buying an X "Pro"1 when it was released and have had no difficulty avoiding the plethora of subsequent "X's". Thank Dog for M4/3.
Anyway Krockwell says that the "colour's no good for landscape" - so there! Imagine what he'd have to say if he ever got to handle one.
Oops. Krockwell was reviewing/imagining the X-A1 which has a Bayer sensor. maybe this one's sensor's more vegetable-oriented.
Picture DSCF6996 of the sample gallery really makes me scared. Look at the bleached colour of the foilage in the background. And the way the artwork in the pond is overexposed and glowing.
I just noticed there is an error in the Pros and Cons:
the DR should be in the Cons, not pros, as it is rather poor performing compared to just about anything you care to put into the menu there - add in the Sony NEX7 just to see how good things could get.
However, the Noise performance should be in the Pros... (once again, add in the Sony NEX7, but this time to see how bad things could get).
I know the NEX7 isn't it's competition - but even the others outperform it's rather narrow DR quite easily.
What's more, the image they provide to try the 3 DR modes has a turquoise (teal) sky! (what planet would that be on? definitely not Earth)
Fuji Must create Sony RX 100 anda Canon S 120 competitor.
A compact camera with BIG sensor, which work Good on low light.
There is good market in this area.
Good luck
Todays blind test for the pixel peepers.
Can anyone tell which camera is which.
Can you get the order right.
Cameras compared:
Fujifilm X-M1
Olympus Pen E-PL5
Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Sony aplha NEX-6
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Try this one:
Canon EOS 5D Mark III
Fujifilm X-M1
Sony alpha NEX-6
Olympus Pen E-PL5
How am I doing?
They keep on mentioning the excellent image quality, but that smudging when there's high frequency green detail in the shot seems to be a major flaw, especially when taking landscape photography.
Not an issue now for months and months.... Just use a decent RAW converter like Irident or Aperture. The results are now considerably sharper than most other APS-C cameras.
It's only a flaw if you plan on making large prints. Doesn't really show up otherwise.
I can confirm this is not an issue in Aperture for months now.
It is an issue in Lightroom/ACR.
OOC JPEGs with NR set low, don't have the issue too much.
Iridient, Aperture and Capture One all produce *excellent* details.
It really depends on the demosaicing used.
Something I can't quite understand is dpreview's remarks regarding the JPEG engine - the colors look odd to me, kinda artificial with a slight color cast - detail looks ok, but I see artifacts / smearing - not clean like other SLRs. I dunno I haven't used a Fuji, but I have a tough time understanding the appeal to the images. Maybe I am missing something ? I see quite a few other comments where people also are disappointed in the samples.
and plenty where people love them too. Fuji's colours can be a little slide film like, you either love that or hate it (I love it). Having said that it's as easy to manipulate colour in post as the next camera and the render of skin is just staggeringly good.
Fuji definitely has a color cast, a bit to the blue side. I love it in some images and dislike it in others. But it is there, no doubt.
Hadn't realised the M1 had no EVF or option. I had just assumed that was the A1. Oh well another coulda shoulda woulda camera.
Not really sure what Fuji's thinking is here. One the one hand they think you are sophisticated enough to understands the benefits of a big sensor, and IL, and DoF and manual control, but think you are still so amateurish as to hold a camera at arms length to frame a scene, in bright sunlight where the VF can hardly be seen and the camera is far less stable and more prone to shake.
So is it still a P&S or a serious camera?
Maybe you ought to learn how to use these cameras, LOL. There is an entire generation of photographers that is doing perfectly fine taking pictures with a large LCD screen as their viewfinder. I think you're just a little out of touch with what people are perfectly capable of doing these days with non-VF cameras. People are also taking great pictures with their smart phones these days too. Is it really so difficult to frame a shot with a large LCD? No, it's not. Millions of people are doing it every day. Just go to Flickr and look up NEX 5N or EOS M or any other non-VF camera, and you'll see that a lot of very nice photography is being doing with such cameras. Heck, just look up iPhoneography, too.
I think it's a generational thing. The younger generation is a lot more used to looking at an LCD, framing the shot with it, and shooting. No big deal. To the older generation, it seems like an impossibility! LOL. Guess they can't do that while holding their cane. :0
it is obviously designed for people who can't read or check facts before posting... as they already offer other models with said viewfinder for smarter and more evolved people who can read and check facts before posting.
I don't experience any problem shooting photos without a OVF. If I want to use an Optical View Finder I would just use my Canon 5D Mk2.
If you are a versatile photographer, you must learn how to compose with any type of finder. Try focusing with the film Hasselblad medium format camera.
Sometimes, I would actually prefer to compose and focus using the LCD screen. It is much easier for street photography. Don't you think it is good to have more choices in the digital world?
I did not know that holding a camera at arms length to frame a scene was amateurish. Thanks for the heads up-- now I have to start sending some money back and reduce my rates.
I was hoping to reply to T3's comment. I find your comment amazingly condescending. The generation you refer to may not mind trying to frame a picture, outdoors in bright light with a clumsy if not large LCD screen. Many of us though value precision, battery life and a OVF for it's simplicity.
I suppose I must defer to professionals, all of whom have a reason for avoiding your preferred smelly baby at arms length shot preparation.
Did you really, LOL twice while you wrote that comment or was that simply two more clumsy arrows that went astray?
"There is an entire generation of photographers that is doing perfectly fine taking pictures with a large LCD screen as their viewfinder."
A generation that never goes outdoors in bright sunshine.
There is no "coulda shoulda woulda". THere are TWO.. I repeat TWO higher priced models with viewfinders built in. AND they are not even expensive.
Missing my point I see. Why do we need two models without an EVF. In fact why even release an M1, it's hardly different to the A1 other than sensor CFA and missing wireless flash. One of these two cameras is totally pointless, just choose which one.
Why do we need a cheap Canon SL1? Why do we need a Pentax K500? Why do we need a Sony A3000? Why do manufacturers need an entry level camera? Why?
Fuji offers model with EVF, even with OVF.
@ fakuryu
You are absolutely right.
Why should the user bother whether a manufacturer introduce less or more models. Isn't it good to have more choices?
Just buy the camera that suit you best.
Evf sucks big time, and so is the lcd. The marketing fuss collides with the phylosophy the world is what you perceive through your senses (the mind included) and not what is passing on a tv screen.When I use a PHOTOcamera, I'd like it as it should be, and not a phone or a videocamera..
Yeah well why introduce another 10 entry level models? Why would you release two cameras so close in spec it's ridiculous yet charge an offensive $200 more for one.
At least with other manufacturers there is a clear delineation between models. There is no need for both A1 and M1 and frankly based on pricing you'd have to be crazy to buy the M1.
@ thx1138 - "There is no need for both A1 and M1 and frankly based on pricing you'd have to be crazy to buy the M1."
How about just offering the various models, and letting the consumer decide? Why is that so "offensive"? What you fail to see is that it's far more valuable to offer these various models, at various prices, because it increases the chances that a consumer will choose one of these models, and thus get them into the Fuji system. In essence, they are offering another point of entry into the system. You may not think $200 is a big deal, but when it comes to the finicky consumer, $200 could make the difference between the consumer choosing Fuji, or choosing another brand (like Sony NEX). If $200 can tip a consumer towards choosing Fuji, that's a big win.
As for your inane suggestion of introducing "another 10 entry level models," there's such a thing as having too many models. Duh! You have to strike a balance between too many and too few. A1 and M1 is just right.
Thx --- your post makes two factual errors -- the first being that there is no difference between the two models. Besides sensor there are options available in the m1 that don't exist in the a1.
The second thing is this so-called $200 price difference between the m and a models. Know how I know you're just repeating the rhetoric that's already out there? It's this, because if you actually compare actual, real world prices from real worlds retailers you'll see that the actual price difference is about $135.
Do your homework before you post.
I have the X-Pro1 and X-M1. I found that the X-M1 works extremely well in "twin-lens-Rolleiflex" mode: pulled down tight on the neck strap with arms braced against the body (with viewfinder at 90 degrees), braced or sitting on the arms of chairs, window sills, tree branches, etc. I agree that holding a camera out in front of you is an invitation to blur. So I use the X-Pro1 like a Leica M and the X-M1 like a Rollei TLR, two of my favourite film cameras.
It would be great if someone put the 18mm on the X-M1 and X-A1 and compared to Ricoh GR,NikonA and 28 equivalent on E-M1 . That will pit APS-C against m43s and Xtrans versus Bayer.
Xtrans vs Bayer? X-M1 vs X-A1. X-A1 will be a huge success, at the bottom for price, at the top for X100 purists that can't deal with x-trans missbehaviors. The X-M1 is twice the weight of the Ricoh GR and the Nikon A, might as well use that for lens changes, nice bounce flash built in, IS, a mini EVF, etc.
X-M1 and X-A1 will fail to inspire the consumer just like Canon's EOS M. Canon had to drop pricing by over 60% to spark consumers' interest. When Fuji introduced the X-F1 to provide a more compact version of the X10, consumers avoided it like a plague and its price dropped 50% within six month.
Fuji will be better off to offer high quality products made in Japan than cheap quality "high priced" cams that nobody wants.
Thanks. I'm sure fuji corp will take your opinion under advisement.
A cameras worth is not totally defined whether or not it does or does not have a viewfinder. It's what the photographer does with the camera that counts. Beauty is or is not in the eyes of the beholder. We all benefit from competition.
I would have thought that "no eye level viewfinder" would have been listed in the "cons." This must be an oversight on the part of the reviewer, since "no electronic level" is listed.
That would be like reviewing a compact camera and saying 'no interchangeable lenses.'
Electronic level is a minor feature they could have included at little if any cost. An eye-level viewfinder is a fundamental hardware feature that distinguishes this model from the one above and would utterly change what this product is and where it sits in the market.
Richard your point is taken, however in the past I believe you have listed certain cost-saving features as cons, so it is kind of a slippery slope. I believe in this case it is fair to exclude it though as it is plainly obvious to anyone examining the product.
I agree with Richard's position... too many people stomping into the room yelling no VF therefore it can't be a camera. through their complaining they are either saying that this model should not exist or it may only be a duplicate of the already existing xe1 or xpro1 (which makes no more sense than they are making). not glorifying with an answer those who complain the model down isn't like the model above it is the way to go in this case.
And I wonder, all these people with their: NO VF and " no this and no that (usually small things) a deal breaker for me", I wonder, do these people actually own ANY camera and most importantly DO they TAKE pictures?
No electronic level? Are you kidding Fujifilm?
I don't know how we have managed to get by
I remember when in-camera electronic levels were introduced. I thought it was a great and valuable feature, and something I would use all the time. But to tell you the truth, I have hardly ever used it. I just don't see much point when I can always fine-tune the leveling/straightening in post-process, since all my images go through post-processing anyways. My guess is that most people don't use that feature much, either. These days, I think the inclusion of Wifi is a lot more useful and valuable. I'd much rather have that than an electronic level. Wifi connectivity opens up a lot of great possibilities.
I have it in my NX20, and hardly ever use it... in fact, I don't think I use it... it's more of a distraction when on screen than it is of use to me. so I don't think it's a big deal. of course, I think their other models have it if it's really needed (plus you get other goodies too for the price difference).
I have an electronic level in my E-P3 and use it constantly.
I use it all the time on my xe1
In an America of clinical obesity the cameras get smaller and smaller. I have medium to smaller hands and I can't pick up one of these without wondering where my fingers go. What does a fat man or a man with large hands do? At 180#, 2 or 3 lbs of camera is just not a problem. I feel bad for all the sickly folks who depend on these soap bar sized bodies for a chance at photography. Particularly ironic direction for camera makers since the phones get bigger and bigger.
I would prefer this camera to be smaller still. Make it as small as possible. If you want big get the X pro 1, that is ginormous.
DenWil: there's plenty of "big cameras" for you.... not everyone is "fat: or overweight... humans come in many sizes..
DenWil -- The purpose of downsizing a camera is not to make it more or less hand-holdable. The purpose is to make it easier to carry with accessories in a pocket, purse, or small bag. Your critique totally misses the point.
Just go Medium Format.
There, I fixed it.
"I feel bad for all the sickly folks who depend on these soap bar sized bodies for a chance at photography."
Sickly? Or just healthy and fit?
If your hands are too fat to hold such a camera, I think you have bigger problems to be worried about, hehe.
The reality is that not all of us measure our masculinity by the size of our camera. I use heavy FF DSLR gear for work, and have logged countless hours lugging around such gear. But it doesn't mean I want to do so in my off time. My attitude these days is that I only carry around my big gear when I'm *paid* to. Otherwise, for personal, casual shooting, I use compact, smaller, lighter mirrorless gear. And my fingers know exactly where to go. We're not oafish mountain apes, for crying out loud. (At least some of us aren't. LOL)
well said T3! +++
I can't believe that people are knocking this for size when they have the oversized-for-mirrorless xe1 and xpro1 to choose from!
I'm 6ft2 and 195# and not fat at all, don't have girly hands and don't feel less of a man just because I LOVE mirrorless cameras, especially the more reasonably sized ones like this one.
Denwil is just pulling a fast one. He uses a Pentax 67 for his photography.
If he is that fat, he wouldn't be able to work as a scout.
DSLR, Medium Format, Large Format. You have plenty of options.
DPR why are you giving almost every half-decent camera a gold star now? Literally a large a majority of $600+ cameras now are getting gold stars, it completely dilutes the rating system and makes it look like you are just using it as a marketing ploy to sell cameras at Gear Shop. Can't you come up with a system where only a few cameras at most each year get the top award? Then we would actually know which you really think are best, because right now it looks like you're just trying to satisfy everybody and as a result satisfying nobody.
All that glitters...
Then there's the Previews that never seem to make it to completion...
Think of it as a frequent flyer program. When you're in an airport and they call the diamond, platinum, gold, silver and bronze members. Each of these people thinks they are special but there's no one left in the boarding area.
Just my 2c, but I think these days every half-decent camera just _are_ technical masterpieces, and thus it may be hard not to give a gold award. Well I'm just expressing this from my modest photography-gadgetry needs ;-) Anyhow, yet I see the point where gold awards tend to be given away easily and looses its exclusivity. Having said that, maybe the introduction of some "Platinum Award" might be an idea which would strictly be reserved to anything which would be "outstanding"?
Shurato, your point is well taken, but I think that the improved quality of cameras is and should be reflected in their percentage scores. The award system should serve to distinguish the top few cameras of the year, and the standards by which they are judged should increase as the competition improves. Right now the award system tells us nothing because so many cameras are gold. They should either give out fewer golds or add in a new level like platinum or diamond.
The problem with reserving Gold rating for only a few cameras is: The great cameras are not all released at the same time.
What happens when they hold-off giving out one of the few remaining Gold ratings, just in case they need one later in the year - when some great camera MAY be released?
Or, do they just give them out as the cameras arrive on the market, and "too bad" to the great cameras which debut after all the year's allotment of Gold ratings have already been handed-out?
I'm not advocating for a quota, just a higher standard of what should be gold. It could be that five or six cameras in a year deserve a gold award, but it also could be that none deserve one. There have been three cameras announced this year that have received gold awards and I don't think any of them deserved it.
An additional perspective is that, perhaps, there is truly no single camera that is better for everyone. Perhaps many of the cameras are equally good, but have different strengths and different weaknesses. What is "gold" for one user might not be "gold" for another.
They also hit the GearShop before they hit the street and we get some accumulated user experience. Remember, orbs.
I think it really depends on the camera's label.
If it says "Samsung" it gets criticized... if it's among the ones they prefer (the ones they have lying around in the office - see size comparison photos above) then it'll get a favourable review.
What about a nice price of mahogany as an award, after all they're using it on handgrips of luxury cameras - mahogany the new platinum! :)
@mapgraphs: just my thoughts, I will try again, DPR,where's the eos m review? Please, any kind of answer! Thank you.
"Areas of fine green detail can be 'mushy'"
Have our intrepid reviewers yet determined if this is an issue with the X-Trans design, or if it is merely software?
Most likely software. I've seen stunning landscape work from X-trans, but the right raw software conversion seems to be important. I hear Iridient (or something to that effect) is a good choice. Somebody also mentioned that new newest versions of Silkypix that comes with the camera does the job very well too. The sensor itself is excellent.
Nope. It's the sensor. Even JPEGs have mushy greenery.
Software - conversions with Irident and Aperture are sharper than results for any other APS-C camera. LR no longer has "mush" either in most circumstances, but is a bit soft for my my preferences (but many use it successfully with NIK tools etc).
It's the software. Adobe makes mush out of foliage.
Iridient and Aperture pull all sorts of detail out.
Even the OOC Jpegs can be decent if you turn NR to -2, and Sharpening to +2.
I am looking for an excellent APS-C size mirrorless camera which can out perform a micro 4/3 camera in overall usage. The numerous succession of NEX has not been successful due to its poor lens collection and its "unfriendly" photographer user interface / Menu system. The Fuji X series could offer some hopes. However, it too falls short of expectation in many areas, many of which were pointed out in the reviews.
I like the size of the X-M1 but the slow AF speed and many other compromises cause me to hesitate buying this camera despite it getting a gold award.
Some has attributed the other problems to the X-trans sensor which I wouldn't disagree.
The aF speed of the xm1 is not by any means slow. Just not the fastest. The xm1 is reasonably zippy.
Samsung NX.
@ Raist3d
I like the male portrait you have taken on June 6 and the first night shot you have taken on August 7 in your blog.
What camera and lens did you use for the night shot?
lens tests show that the sony lenses aren't THAT bad - but the Fuji lenses before these two new ones are very above average.
I think this camera may do better in performance tests with the faster LM lenses that Fuji makes - let's compare apples with apples here - if the 2 new cheap lenses slow it down, they'll slow down it's big brothers as well.
I'd be curious to see how much of this is due to the lens - with smaller apertures and slower motors.
I think you are being too anal retentive here. Just buy one and enjoy using it.
I agree with photobeans.
You're not going to get an noticeable increase in image quality by moving from a Micro Four Thirds to an APS-C sensor. You really need to go to full frame for that.
If you're not willing to go full-frame then just buy a Micro Four Thirds or NEX camera and be done with it.
If you have specific lens requirements then you're probably better off with Micro Four Thirds. Otherwise, NEX is also very good.
@NZ Scott - While i agree with "buy one and enjoy" I don't agree with Scott that the jump in image quality is so trivial as to "you must go to FF to notice a difference." Sorry, but there's a noticeable difference depending on what kind of work you are doing between a Fuji Xtrans and m43/rds. But I totally agree with you that at this point, all these cameras are fantastic and pick the one that satisfies your needs and wants.
@White Shadow - the camera for those two shots is the same- the Fuji X-E1. For the portrait of the man, it was the Fuji XF35 F1.4 prime, and for the man at night it was the new Fuji XF27 F2.8 pancake lens.
The Af is not slow you just need to know how to use it. i own a xm1 and i took some time to learn but after a while it is a breeze. only under low light it gets difficult.
Pity they don't have a small compact pancake that can go head to head with the 30mm f2 on Samsung's NX300... I guess their primary concern was for the xm1's 27mm f2.8 to not cannibalize sales of their x100s model.
Actually the 27mm is excellent for what it was designed for, shooting street.
Actually no. I find the XF27mm F2.8 fantastic, and it's not the "XM's 27" but a lens for the entire line up. It's XF class so it's well built, high quality.
Hm. I looked through the samples and thought, "The Fujifilm is getting it's butt handed to it by the likes of the Olympus E-M1 and Canon 100D" - and then I read the article's conclusion.... there's a disconnect between what I see in the comparometer and what their conclusions are.
I suppose it could be the lens - I've been fooled before by a fantastic lens on a so-so camera here at DPR - but it looks more like over-agressive noise reduction to me. The green feathers are a blur at any ISO.....
I also recognize that ultimate sharpness and detail is not everything; it's something that I crave, but others might prefer the warm almost "creamy" smoothness of the Fuji's output - with the right subject and at the right enlargement it would be quite nice.
A lot of it is that X-Trans requires different sharpening algorithms. The detail is there, but at default sharpening, appears soft. Adjusting up reveals tremendous amounts of detail, easily as good and in many cases a little better than my E-M5. DPR however, normalizes sharpening for all cameras. While good in theory, when comparing a Bayer sensor vs an X-Trans, it doesn't work well.
pssst... the Oly EM1 is almost 2.5x as expensive without a lens.
E-M1 is a different class of camera and priced accordingly.
The Fuji X-M1 is more akin to the E-PL5 from Olympus.
I agree with ecm, and don't see the answer as reasonable. Yes, in some perfect universe, playing even keeps things even. But the eyes show this isn't happening. The Fuji images are simply soft. If some "adjustment" is being made between these results and the final glowing gold medal praises at the end, then those need to be visible here somehow--perhaps with some more optimally corrected (sharpened) examples side by side? As is it chips away at the overall credibility of the testing, which is part of dpreview's foundation.
You guys gotta take a step back, scrape your nose of the monitor and look at the actual images. These are some of the most pleasantly rendered images i have seen straight out of camera from any ILC or SLR.
And forget about that damned studio comparison tool.
If they used Aperture for this comparison the results would simply be different http://sgoldswoblog.com/2013/04/21/x-trans-raw-conversion-comparisons/
The X-Trans sensor doesn't respond well to the general sharpening settings of their tests. It has a different CFA layout, and thus requires slightly different demosaicing and sharpening. So, unfortunately for Fuji, it doesn't do well in standardized tests that have been put together for Bayer sensors.
Definite improvement in color saturation and contrast compared to X-E1/Pro1, but still this camera exhibits the same trans-problems: colors are off (red is bloody, green is poisonous, blue is cyan), rendering is plastic, the artifacts and smearing. I think Fuji will soon drop trans sensors, they are behind every Bayer sensor in that price range.
Given the fact that many renowned professionals came to the opposite conclusion, and DPR awarding the IQ and features with the highest award, I'd say this is merely your opinion and not a fact.
Yes I agree I can't understand what the dpreview staff is smoking, the output is absolutely horrible.
Ludicrous comment - if Fuji dropped x-trans now I would sell my cameras tomorrow. The output is outstanding to my eyes. Perhaps you are in the minority here?
It's kinda hard not to jus laugh at this point at such ignorant comments. Here's a colorful high-DR snap:
The IQ of this Camera is nice, but I dont see the revolutionary element here. Even at ISO 3200 it certainly looks cleaner than the EPL5, but also has a feeling of lacking detail... We can always use NR and lose detail, but if the RAWs from this camera already have the NR look then any of the competitors can simply apply it. However if you want to leave the sense of detail in a higher ISO show one can always apply selective NR, but the Fuji it always has that look.... Well that is how I feel about the output.
That's because they keep using adobe raw converters which are know to currently not give you the max potential resolution I xtrans. Check capture one 7 or iridient. Actually even the latest update to fujis silky pix works better
Maybe, maybe not. If the IQ is so severely impacted by ACR, why dont they use the appropriate software and show the potential of the product :)
Having said that, splitting staws really.
DPR uses the default Adobe RAW settings to compare "apples to apples" for the RAW files. Unfortunately, this only works for cameras with the same color filter array. Due to the different CFA and the soft default settings Adobe uses for the X-trans, this comparison is not "apples to apples". DPR should correct to soft Adobe default sharpening for the X-trans such that the files can be more readily compared.
@alatchin- no, there is no maybe maybe not here. This has been more than researched by now. The evidence is out there if you go ahead and look a it. Better yet- do it for yourself. Download some raws and convert the files yourself. Capture one has a 60 day trial. Iridient has an eternal trial (watermarks). You can download Fuji's raw converter for free.
By all means do not believe me but walk with your experience or remain ignorant- your choice :-)
Replies are correct. Adobe is a bit weak with X-Trans files. Great for street shooting (low noise, good edge detail for high contrast scenes), but no good for landscapes or anything with high amounts of small details.
Iridient, Aperture, Capture One, etc all do a better job of detail extraction.
DPR won't use specific RAW converters for tests, because that'd ruin the standardization process that works so well for 99% of cameras out there.
It would be nice, however, if in their image quality section they made note of Adobe's weaknesses and provided a quick comparison of details between Adobe and another high quality processor.
If i see it right, it does not have a touchscreen monitor? I think you should mention that in the text right next to the monitor image.
A touchscreen monitor is such an advantage for shooting, reviewing and changing settings that i don't want to miss it anymore.
Missing EVF is an issue. Same for the XA-1.
For me too, and also an OVF... that's why I've an x-pro1!
+1. The missing EVF is a bummer.
Seriously ... People would complaint about a tricycle missing its fourth wheel.
When did the X-E1 become invisible ?
If only there was some way to get an X-trans sensor with an EVF. Fuji should really address that gap in the market. In fact they might benefit from trying to invent some sort of hybrid OVF/EVF. I wonder if there could be a market for such a thing? It might even be worth them considering introducing such a thing for both fixed and changeable lens cameras. If I were them I might be tempted to go for something like a 35mm equivalent for the fixed lens version. What do other people think?
@day2012: hahahahaha
thank you for sharing - it is much needed for some folks on this site ;-)
We need a compact APS-C roundup. Fuji X series, Leica X series, EOS-M, Sigma DPM series, Ricoh GR, Coolpix A.
good idea - add the other two, to the one they already did of x100s - ricoh gr - nikon a
The problem is that those don't work as a side-by-side:
Someone who likes the 35mm equivalent view offered by the Leica and Fujifilm are unlikely to consider a 28mm equiv. camera to be a sensible alternative (even if you us the Ricoh's 35mm equiv crop mode).
So you end up with an X100S vs Leica X2 comparison and a Ricoh vs Nikon vs Sigma piece, which we tried to do, only to find the Sigma wasn't particularly comparable.
Richard, why dpreview staff felt the sigma dp1m was not particularly comparable being the same focal length? (I the ones you mentioned to compare with). Honest question.
I suspect because the sensor still limits photographers to static well lit scenes. It's a rather niche product. It does landscapes *incredibly well*, but it doesn't hold up past ISO 400, to standard bayer sensors.
I really want to get a Sigma DPM camera at some point specifically for landscapes, but with the understanding that's all I'd be using it for.
Add on OVF and combo with pancake and fish eye this could be pretty sweet.
you mean you want a x-pro1
I like the one handed operation functionality and the ability to keep things small ish. Removable OVF with the pancake can keep things small and not attract too much attention for street photography that is my fave. I am in love with the X100s but like a smaller and less "Look at me" camera.
Nice camera, but... Olympus PEN camera on comparison looks better, and it is much quicker too. Plus much more lenses, definitely it is better choice, at least for my opinion.
Yea, but a tiny sensor....
that is why it is good to have both. Olympus m43 for serious shooting, and Fuji for those times when you can just take your time....
Thank u dpreview for acknowledging the mushy green issue. I think xtrans is best for portraits and especially portraits in low light. If u shoot landscapes with lots of greenery in mid and background, get xa1 instead
The "mushy green issue" is a non issue with the proper raw concerter. In fact, due to extra green photo sensors the fuji will give you even more color detail with greenery.
It'd be nice if DPReview dropped their test scene and a landscape or two through Iridient, to show how much detail is possible with the sensor when using the right processor.
just curious why are fuji cameras look so similar to Leica?
The Japanese copied so much the Leica in the '50s that henceforth all camera designers in Japan have been born with a gene stamped "Leica" in their DNA chains.
Because when you put things where they belong you end up with something that looks like a 35mm rangefinder camera.
Fuji always tries something weird to get noticed among the completion but it never works.
It is a traditional lay-out for people who like traditional controls.
And if you take away the pentaprism because not needed, what you are left is a rangefinderish shape.
Gold award for a camera with slow focus that takes close to 1 sec to focus and then a seond delay until next shoot. But maybee I'm missing something...?
you missed the part of "big photo quality in a small package"
Which can't focus very quickly, especially in low light.
I always find a cameras ability to focus quickly high on my list of 'wants' (my pets and nieces and nephews don't do 'still')
If its not than, yes, this looks like a great little camera.
Keep them coming :)
Don´t know where you get your numbers from. The review says "In good lighting, the bundled 16-50mm lens locked focus in 0.3 secs at wide-angle and 0.6 secs at telephoto."
Definitely did not find focus times to be anywhere near as bad as you describe.
Guys I am extremely sure AmatuerSnaps has done extensive testing with this camera before making his comments.
Ever heard of manual focus lens? If you don't think before you shot, I guess AF speed is very important. Don't forget to troll Leica BTW.
hehe, brendon is making a joke.
If any focus speed difference, how much of that is due to the new "slower" lenses available with this, compared to the other models that had brighter lenses when tested? Might it do as well as the others if it were tested with the same lenses? There is a difference in the motors (LM versus the ones that come with this), and they're not as bright either.
The X-M1 has the fastest AF in interchangable lens X series today.
The focus speed of the xm1 is not slow. Just not the fastest.
I know that this camera applies noise reduction to RAW files. Normally I would say that this is a bad thing. However, after looking at the samples I have to say that it looks like the noise reduction is as good as any external program would do.
I can't find a fault at all with the image quality from this camera. The photos look fantastic. If it had the lens lineup and video features that m4/3s has then I would definitely consider purchasing one.
it's not the quantity of lenses, but the quality... and there are all the other Fuji lenses you can use with this... and with the exception of these two new lenses, all the others are brighter on average than the other brands' offerings at similar price points.
Just a small correction.... the camera doesn't apply noise reduction to raw files, but the raw processor might. Adobe's demosaicing process seems to cut down on luminance noise. But if you process in something else, like Iridient or Raw Photo Processor, the noise is a bit higher. Though, on the other hand, you end up with significantly more detail.
@ Jeff Keller
where is the Chinatown gate picture?
I'd love to have the SF and Stanford photos in the gallery but it's too long a drive from Seattle!
I paired the X-M1 to my iPhone and it worked great. What is special about the X-M1 is that at a party, it is the same size as an Olympus E-PM2 or PL5. (With the 27mm pancake or the 18mm.)
That is new. The X-E1 or X100S are larger to show.
Also with a pancake one can use a small OVF. Clever.
Also the flash is tiltable to bounce to the ceiling. Very nice effect.
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This morning, when Miller and Deace went to their "Beat It" segment (sorry guys, I love music, but not a fan of "Beat It"), I dialed over to Mike and Mike on 1700 The Champ. Apparently today is Willie Mays' birthday, which promted a discussion on whether or not he is the best living baseball player. They had a guy on as a guest who certainly appeared to be very knowledgeable and the discussion among the three was incredibly interesting and insightful.
When all was said and done, I certainly couldn't disagree with their conclusion. Their top three living baseball players, in order, were:
1. Willie Mays
2. Hank Aaron
3. Stan Musial
Personally, I think Mays was the best player to ever put on cleats, but that is simply my opinion. I am not sure I can name another player who could hit .320 for you, hit 40-45 home runs, knock in 125 runs, steal 40 bases, and win a Gold Glove. I can remember when Mays signed his first $100,000 per year contract and I thought, 'how can you pay a guy that much money.' Heck, by today's standards, you would have to pay a guy with his all-around ability $25 million a year.
They also talked about the next generation of best living base ball players which was also interesting, and they also mentioned who the best living pitcher might be. A very, very interesting discussion.
I can't really disagree with those 3, but in spite of the gambling thing, I think Pete Rose belongs in the conversation.
Pete Rose definitely deserves to be on that list. It's about time that he makes it into the hall of fame. If he is someone that I will be telling my kids about (I'm only 19 by the way) then he must have been pretty damn good in his day
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I think during my lifetime would be a little easier. Since I never truly seen them play.
1. George Brett (even though I am a Red Sox fan this guy was great).
2. Pete Rose
3. Nolan Ryan.
This was quick so I know I am missing a ton of other guys.
Rose was in their discussion, as was fellow Big Red Machine member Johnny Bench. They also mentioned guys like Frank Robinson, Mike Schmidt and a few others.
For what it's worth, the three of them refused to even consider Barry Bonds. Their contention, and I agree, was that it is impossible to know how much of the statistics he accumulated were legitimate and how much of them weren't.
Willie Mays
Roger Clemens
Pete Rose
Joe Dimaggio
Kinnick smells like syrup.
Bonds, Clemons, A-Rod
oops thought it was the All-steroid team.
Still living? I'd go:
1. Willie Mays
2. Hank Aaron
3. Ernie Banks
Top 3 ever?
1. Ted Williams
2. Babe Ruth
3. Willie Mays
Top 3 in my lifetime?
1. Ken Griffey Jr.
2. Nolan Ryan
3. Cal Ripkin Jr. & Albert Pujols (tied)
Top 3 still active?
1. Albert Pujols
2. Ken Griffey Jr.
3. Alex Rodriquez
8-time MLB All Star, 324 career wins, 5714 K (First all-time), 7 No hitters and 12 one-hitters (First all-time in both categories). I definitely would put a vote in for Nolan Ryan.
Ricky Henderson has to be in the list. I think he overall might be one of the greatest of all time, the guy could do everything.
I refuse to put Arod in the top 3. He is a cheater and he also is horrible when the game is on the line. He is one the worst clutch hitters in baseball.
Is Ted Williams technically dead if he is only frozen with the chance to come back?
Originally Posted by johnpkelly81
Ricky Henderson has to be in the list. I think he overall might be one of the greatest of all time, the guy could do everything.
Well, he certainly wasn't shy about telling everyone exactly that.
did they mention Bob Feller at all? 266 wins and over 2500 k's. missed 4 yrs because of military service. would have easily made 300 wins and over 3k strikeouts.
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Yes, CRCyclone, Feller was mentioned in the discussion of the top living pitchers.
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Today's hearing is on a topic of deep interest to me. While we are saddened by the stories our witnesses will tell of relatives missing--some for many, many years, we are also be inspired by their courage and leadership as they forge ahead seeking truthful answers regarding what happened not only to their loved ones but also to the loved ones of the many others they represent.
Serving as Co-Chairman of this Commission, I have taken great interest in international civilian police and law enforcement efforts, in southeastern Europe and elsewhere. In Kosovo, Bosnia and Croatia, the OSCE and other organizations have been working to build the capacity for local police forces providing law and order and, at the same time, respecting the rule of law themselves. In Kosovo, the United Nations has also deployed its own civilian police force to do this job until such time that the Kosovo Police Service can perform all these functions on its own. I had the opportunity to visit the OSCE school for training police cadets in Kosovo in 2001, and was impressed by the work being done there.
The topic of today's hearing, therefore, also interests me from this perspective. Investigation of cases of missing persons is a task for law enforcement agencies, and I would like to hear from the witnesses whether police investigators, either local or international, have been of any assistance to them in their search, and whether there might be some opportunity here for our country and perhaps others to provide the police and other law enforcement personnel with greater training and expertise to investigate missing persons cases more thoroughly.
Of course, since most of the individual cases which the Commission is examining today took place during a period of conflict, the circumstances surrounding these cases are more complex and involve a wide variety of offices and organizations. Still, there is a role that law enforcement can and should play.
In closing, I express my hope that, through this hearing and other efforts, the Commission will encourage the State Department and the international community, to make the resolution of missing persons cases, regardless of ethnicity, a priority task. Such would help promote stability and reconciliation in the region. More importantly, though, the families and communities involved would welcome the commitment to uncover the facts.


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HALIFAX, Va. (WUSA) - A 1-year-old girl and her mother were found at a family member's house in Lanham, Md. at approximately 6:30 a.m. Friday after an Amber Alert was activated, say Halifax County, Va. police. Alexis Rose Carwile is "fine and in protective care," according to police. Her mother, Jennifer Dawn Carwile, is in custody of the Prince George's County police.
Alexis Carwile's father, Eric Eugene Black, was apprehended by Virginia State Police earlier on Friday morning and is one of the suspects in Alexis Rose Carwile's abduction from Halifax County, Va., according to police. Halifax County Sheriff's Office say Chesterfield County, Va. police received a 911 call from a UPS driver about a vehicle (a burgundy 1985 Nissan Maxima) with the license plate reported in the Amber Alert driving southbound on Interstate 95 at approximately 4:11 a.m. The UPS driver continued to follow the car until troopers could stop the car.
Police say Black was found in Chesterfield County, Va. around 4:34 Friday morning.
Halifax County authorities say investigators believe Eric Black dropped off Jennifer Carwile and Alexis with relatives in Prince George's County then headed back south. He was later caught in Chesterfield County. Jennifer and Alexis Carwile were found at a family member's house in Prince George's County.
Police believe the incident started Thursday when Black and Carwile were issued a court order in Campbell County, Va. to give Alexis to child protective services. Authorities say the parents rushed to relatives' home where Alexis was being cared for in Halifax County. They made it there before social services to could get arrive to take her into custody. Once CPS arrived, the family members reported the couple already had her at approximately 4:30 p.m. Thursday.
Authorities then started investigating and began the process of issuing an Amber Alert.
Black and Carwile will likely be charged with abduction. Black is being held at Riverside Regional Jail in Hopewell, Va. without bond, say Halifax County Sheriff's Office authorities.
Virginia court records show that Carwile has mostly traffic offenses, including a hit and run crash. Most of the serious offenses happened more than a decade ago, and she did spend some time in jail for the crash. Black has a lengthy record, but he was not prosecuted on all of the charges. According to court records, Black did serve some time in jail for obstruction of justice and grand larceny.


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Figured I'd go ahead and open the sign-up thread now. I'll leave it open until at least Sunday night, but hopefully won't have to wait any longer and start the game on Monday morning.
This will be a simple game with just one mafia. We will have the normal innocent specials, plus a few others if we can get a lot of players signed up.
If you have any questions or suggestions, please let me know. If you've never played before, this would be a good game to sign up for.
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I removed it.
I'm sure the randomizer will get me again but oh well, bring it
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And I'm thinking that cycofan just made the air, baby!
Originally Posted by rworkman83
I'll be honest, Cycofan1 sounds much older than what he makes me believe on here.
I'll be gone over the weekend with a vacation day on Monday the 8th - I might be back to vote that night. Otherwise I'm free after all that to play
i leave for vaca the 11th.....but can play probably
In - but will probably be very busy during the day monday - thursday.
Tentatively in.
Just don't start this weekend. I'll be in IL :)
what's everyone's thoughts on a extended 1 game ban for being clapped
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what's everyone's thoughts on a extended 1 game ban for being clapped
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what's everyone's thoughts on a extended 1 game ban for being clapped
As long as there isn't an extenuating circumstance: family issues, computer death...etc.
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As long as there isn't an extenuating circumstance: family issues, computer death...etc.
i think it should be regardless. What qualifies as an extenuating circumstance then? too hard to deal with imo and too easy to circumvent. might be harsh in some situations, but we've been playing enough that you can jump back in withing two weeks.
now within games I think it's ok to let people slide if they just drop a pm to whoever is mayoring with a reason. but if someone is just MIA for a game hurts the game for everyone.
Might as well...
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