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Atlas overhaul...stop me before its too late!
Posted 27 May 2009 - 10:19 PM
a few questions:
i know i should super-lube (pack) the bearings...but what about the worm gear. same stuff?
i've heard that this mount out of the box yields about 20 arc secs in periodic error...but a good grease job can get it down to single digits. (is that accurate?)
what is the easiest way to verify the before and after peridic error? (i have no webcam...)
Finally, what am i about to get into? should i even attempt it given that i am not an aerospace engineer (though i did tour NASA once)
Posted 27 May 2009 - 11:57 PM
Posted 28 May 2009 - 02:04 AM
Things to consider are controlling end float on the worm (needs thrust washers)and the condition of the worm bearings (new will help, fancy ceramic are available). There is no locknut or similar to stop the end float adjustment drifting, another locking ring or some Loctite/nail varnish will help. Maybe drill/tap for a small grub screw here?
The worm axis needs to be on the gear centre line, this is controlled by nylon ring spacers, they may need to be thicker/thinner, teflon sheet is good.
The casting isn't very thick and will flex as the worm mesh is adjusted, allow for some relaxation and work the worm right round the wheel by hand feeling for tight spots.
Note the difference between the RA and dec motor mounting slots, a magnetic screwdriver is a boon when refitting them.
The second thing to do after removing the conector panel is to disconect the polar axis illuminator led. Otherwise it will twist the wires and break when you unscrew the polar axis.
I clean all parts in turps sub with a toothbrush then pop them into the ultrasonic cleaner for a few seconds - shiny :-)
If you have the parts to hand and hit no snags they can be done in a morning.
Posted 28 May 2009 - 03:05 AM
Posted 28 May 2009 - 07:23 AM
If it ain't broke...
Ain't that the truth...or as one of my mentors, Senior Chief James L. Turner (Ret) used to preach to me:
"The Only Enemy of Good Enough is More Better."
If the mount is doing its job, leave it alone. Attempts to turn it into a Tak or an AP are destined to fail, and have often resulted in _disaster_.
Posted 28 May 2009 - 08:49 AM
but i am also just as scared to screw it up in an overhaul attempt.
perhaps i should shell out $450 and send it to Astro Motion???
Posted 28 May 2009 - 09:02 AM
That said, unless you have an observed problem that you want to correct my considerable experience here is that it is best to leave sleeping dogs lie.
Rule of thumb on tearing your mount down - if you can't *exactly quantify* something that you need to fix then leave it be.
About reducing PE - a tear down and rebuild probably won't lower your PE enough to really make the process worth the effort. Autoguiding will correct for a huge amount of PE (way more than you would think), and you will never get the mount to the point where you can do serious astrophotography without autoguiding anyway. If you get good performance while guiding then this removes PE as a need for a rebuild.
If your autoguider is having trouble correcting fast "spikes" in PE and you're stars are not round because of this then perhaps a cleaning and regreasing is in order - but the goal is not to reduce the PE - it is to remove the "spikes". There's a big difference in intent as well as expectation.
If you find that the mount is "stiffening up" considerably when loaded up as opposed to when it is unloaded then maybe a regrease is in order. At this time you may want to replace the bearings with higher grade units, especially if you are continually pushing the load limit of the mount. Make sure that you can't adjust the stiffness out first though.
Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:36 PM
Loads of grit left in the wash tray too and it was only 18 month old, light duties.
Posted 28 May 2009 - 12:45 PM
will have to give it more thought.
edit: Charlie, i hear what you are saying, but, since im close to its payload limit now, i will certainly be over it once i add a guide scope and guide camera. want to be certain the gears have all the advantage they can get. perhaps i should just downsize the OTA?
Posted 28 May 2009 - 01:27 PM
Its not actually that hard so long as you have some basic tools, are careful and have a lot of patience. Easily the toughest thing on the HEQ5 was getting the gear engagement right on the RA.
So long as your careful theres not much you can badly screw up with it.
I'm not a mech engineer by trade ( I'm a secretary ) but I have taken car engines to bits before and got them back together. Its mostly common sense and patience.
The scare factor for me was there weren't any really good guides around or workshop manuals so I worte my own as I went along.
My HEQ5 wasnt that old - about 12 months - but I found a fair amount of swarf inside, very undergreased bearings and a REALLY huge paint chip inside.
I;d probably never have gotten round to stripping it down but I did a GoTo upgrade and the motors started binding badly afterwards. I decided to completely strip and see if I could make it better.
I cant tell you the PEC values as I dont do imaging and frankly, I'd have no idea how to obtain them. What I can tell you is that after the strip and rebuild and regrease the mount runs smoother, quieter and is more free flowing in its movements. Before the rebuild it always fealt as if there was some treacle inside.
Mine didnt have the famous black goop as a lube - it seemed to be filled with a heavy suty automotive lubricant rather like Castrol grease but it was very badly underlubed especially on the taper bearings.
I cant say for the Atlas how long a strip down takes - the HEQ5 took a whole day with me moving at a slow pace and taking my time. It took another 2 days to get the worm engagement right because its a lot of messing about.
Posted 28 May 2009 - 02:43 PM
Posted 28 May 2009 - 03:32 PM
Charlie, i hear what you are saying, but, since im close to its payload limit now, i will certainly be over it once i add a guide scope and guide camera. want to be certain the gears have all the advantage they can get. perhaps i should just downsize the OTA?
Most of the guys in my club that own an Atlas are running refractors in the 80-120mm range as the main imager with a smaller refractor as the guide scope. The mount is a bona-fide killer with this load - excellent tracking and guiding from every single one of them that's outfitted this way.
I think a manageable heavier setup is a C-8 SCT OTA and a refractor in the 66 to 110mm range, but to me this is about as far as I would go. I myself have run the C-9.25 with and without a guide scope (using an SBIG ST series camera) and although the mount will carry the load I much prefer running without the extra weight using the C-9.25. It's a matter of keeping the vast majority of the frames you take - generally speaking the heavier the load, the more frames that will need to be tossed out.
That said you're going to see where folks load it up big time - one guy in our club runs a C-11 Hyperstar with a guidescope - this is not a task for the faint of heart.
Bottom line - if you load the mount up and all of a sudden you cannot balance in DEC because no matter where you set the load the DEC won't turn, you *may* be a candidate for better bearings. If you're loaded all the way up and balancing is easy to attain then look for another reason to do the teardown.
...and remember, if you trust your skills and the job is just calling out to you then by all means go have some fun!
Posted 28 May 2009 - 03:35 PM
Posted 28 May 2009 - 04:53 PM
To set the worm engagement ( assuming you arent going the whole hog and fitting shims, bigger or smaller washers etc ) you have to get the worm carrier gear lined up. This is done by adjusting a pair of set screws that control how close to the worm gear the worm is. Its a pain for the RA worm more than the DEC. DOnt ask me why it just is.
Basically you loosen one screw and tighten the other until play goes away and then use either the motors or, with the motors removed run the gears by hand, to drive the mounts axis ( ie if adjueting the RA then move the RA axis) through 360'. If theres any binding you slacken it off until there isn't any and your there. Sounds easy BUT quite often you'll find its adjusted so that the play has gone BUT its just a teensy bit too tight and the motors wont run OR the motors are fine but there's excess play in the mount OR it seems fine but the motors will stall at one single point in the 360' rotation which means the worm carrier may be a little skew. Its made tougher by the fact that when you adjust the set screws you have to slacken slightly the carrier bolts. When these are tightened up sometimes theres a small slippage and you have to adjust again.
The worm float adjustment is similar. You have to adjust them enough so that play goes away but the mounts motors can shift the mount round. Here's the catch - BOTH can cause the same problem so you have to use both the worm carrier adjustemnt and the end float to get to a point where theres no play/minimal play but everything is smooth on motor power.
I do it by adjueting the womrs first just to get them loosely in, just far enough to be about lighgtly habd tight - set the worm engagement and then slowly adjust the float.
Its not hard to do but it does require a lot of patience to slowly work through it and accept that initially the first few times its going to be wrong.
Like collimation its something you can fiddle with eternally.
On my HEQ5 theres always some small play in the mount once its loaded up with my 8" scope. I compared this to a factory fresh unit and there always is a teensy amount of play - if you push the front or back of the scope ot he mount will show a tiny (less than 1 mm play) when pushed.
On the HEQ5 thats probably just a consequence of the length of the scope acting as a very efficient lever.
Anyway thats it really. I toyed with the idea of making up teflon shims and having the worms and worm gear specially machined to get them perfect BUT at the end of the day I only observe and I transport the scope and mount for each viewing session so that level of precsion would be wasted on me.
The HEQ5 though now tracks perfectly, its so quiet you wouldnt even know its there even on a silent night when slewing fast and unlike a lot of HEQ5 owners I find alignment is near perfect every single time with the first alignment star nearly always VERY close to the centre of the FOV. Whether the rebuild helped with that I dont know as prior to the rebuild it never had GoTo but I have seen lots of posts from people who say that even though all the right data has been entered the mount misses its targets on alignment by a large degree.
As much as anything though messing with the mount taught me quite a bit and on the whole it was fun but then I like messing about with stuff and seeing whats inside.
Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:10 PM
Posted 28 May 2009 - 05:24 PM
its not just for PE reduction. with the 10" OTA, finder, and DSLR, the mount is at its payload limit (or at least the advertised limit). i am worried about the overstress on the gears, and the wear of the bearings.
but i am also just as scared to screw it up in an overhaul attempt.
perhaps i should shell out $450 and send it to Astro Motion???
As long as you keep things balanced, there is nothing to worry about. If you have problems THEN tear it to pieces...
Posted 28 May 2009 - 07:47 PM
If you do decide to tackle the rebuild, they may help considerably.
Posted 28 May 2009 - 10:50 PM
I'm probably one of the more-qualified CNers to discuss lubricants...
First, about destoying spacers with solvent...this is why I preach (ad nauseum) to use only mineral spirits (but there are other reasons why other solvents are unwise).
Anyway, I've cleaned and relubed many mounts, yet I've not messed with my Sirius EQ-G nor the Tak NJP (the latter, I regreased some things when I replaced the Dec motor bracket).
The reason is: They work just fine.
Posted 28 May 2009 - 10:50 PM
You're waiting on the bearings.
Those, I have. I am waiting on the grease....
Posted 28 May 2009 - 11:08 PM
Astro Baby, your experience is encouraging - and made me miss my HEQ5, which was a very nice, accurate, quiet mount.
Posted 29 May 2009 - 09:30 AM
Posted 29 May 2009 - 11:49 AM
The patient process.... Hmmm....... wait.... wait..... wait.....Nope, not for me.
I'll spend the $$$$ and call to be sure they are in stock..... But, thats just me.
Posted 29 May 2009 - 01:11 PM
"The Only Enemy of Good Enough is More Better."
Truer words were never spoken.
We have an eq6-pro, and an heq5-pro. My eq6 has for the last 6 months carried the C8 in a side by side bar, with the ST80 beside it for guiding. Our heq5 carries a williams 80, and we've got the Kwiq guide system on it (qhy5 in a 9x50 finder). That kwiq works fabulously with this combination, so much so, I decided to try it with the c8.
This last weekend, I removed the side by side setup, and put the kwiq onto the c8. With the focal reducer in the c8, shooting with a canon 350, I got pinpoint perfect stars with this combination too.
Would a tear down/rebuld help either of our kits? I dont think so, they already perform admirably for photography. Would it hurt them ? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not the most mechanically inclined, so, in my case, it's far more likely to hurt rather than help. It aint broke, so, there's nothing to fix, and lots to break.
But, this whole conversation reminds me of a stop at the swap and shop tables at the Table Mountain Star party a couple summers ago. I didn't have the EQ6 yet, and was in the market for a beefier eq mount. One fella had an atlas for sale, but, on close inspection, turned out to be his 'atlas project', complete with 'box of parts left over' after a teardown / put together attempt. That didn't leave me with a warm fuzzy, and I left it sitting on the swap table.
Point of the comments, if you are at all unsure of 'fixing' your mount that is apparently 'not broken', ask yourself how much of a disaster would it be to end up with 'box of parts leftover', and trying to pawn it off at a swap table ? If that would be a dire hardship for you, I'd seriously consider the idea of leaving well enough alone.
Posted 30 May 2009 - 02:29 AM
how do you know when youve got the "worm engagment/mesh adjustment" right....is it ajust/put back together/track/tear down/adjust....ect?
2 ways; by feel using years of experience and unerring skill, or hook up a meter and watch the current draw, when it spikes back off a hair.
Once set let it rest for a few minutes then try a full rotation by hand, amazing how much they relax and how much spring there is in the castings.
It's worth persevering to get it as perfect as you can. That way you may never need to do it again. Get that worm fixed lonways, then centred over the wheel, then the mesh depth right. I've seen one that although only a few thou off centre had worn its own 'hog' into the wheel :-(
I would avoid over greasing tapered roller bearings, they're not car wheel bearings and don't need packing as you would for auto aplications, they only go round once a day. The ends need most lube, the sides need to roll along the race not slide. A little pre-load can be good but only a little.
Posted 30 May 2009 - 10:48 PM


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RE: Ultimate Graphic Tweak's visualsettings.dat file
RE: Ultimate Graphic Tweak's visualsettings.dat file
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Im sure some are familiar with
its just that it disturb me allot that there are one file in this pack that i don't know why its included, and i don't wanna risk miss anything good
"visualsettings.dat" why is it included in all 7
download packages of UGT?
when reading "SP installation instructions"
it isn't named that you need it for anything, not in the multi player read me either (im a single-player only though)
but i suspect it does something for this tweak also..and that you are supposed to take for granted what it can do?
so it doesn't require to be named in any readme according to the releaser?
What i can conclude is that it exist a "visualsettings.dat" originally in the GTA folder that came from the play-disc??
am i right? and i would suspect this file already have been updated
by the ENB series mod when i installed that
so i would not wanna replace that now perhaps?
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You're probably best asking someone on GTAforums as there is a huge thread on there just about this one mod. I have tried to use this mod in the past but with a crap graphics card which didn't really give me very good results. As for the visualsettings.dat I'm sure it has some importance, and this is how so many people are getting wonderful looking GTAIV worlds lol.
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Now, to be clear, a good value is not necessarily the least expensive version of any given product. A good value can sometimes be one of the more pricey versions. What makes an item a good value is the high quality of an item versus the price. Again, you're looking for bang for the buck. These Alpinestars Joey waterproof shoes are a perfect example of a top of the line, bang for your buck riding shoe. These are a street styled shoe, obviously. So, some would argue that one fifty plus for a street shoe is a little excessive, that is until they take a closer look. This isn't an ordinary shoe. First, the uppers of these shoes have a light wax treatment. This offers the first layer of the shoes waterproof characteristics and also helps keep the shoes from staining, features your Nike Air Force's sure aren't going to have. They also feature a waterproof, breathable liner - a final barrier to keep the water out.
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As the saga of SRAM Force continues to be written, we can't help but notice how close to parallel its story has becomes with Red. Dedicated carbon levers, titanium hardware, DoubleTap, Exact Actuation, Zero Loss -- the list goes on and on. When examining features like weight and precision, the question begs to be asked -- is there a better component value on the market? The SRAM Force Shifters responds with a resounding voice -- No.
Just like the previous iteration of Force, these levers have lots of top-shelf features once only the province of SRAM Red DoubleTap, like SRAM's Zero Loss shifting and the ability to trim the front derailleur. You can also run both the brake and shifter cables along the front of your handlebar, and with SRAM's reach adjustment feature, you can customize the lever reach to the size of your hands.
At heart, DoubleTap boils down to three key parts in the shifter: A transport pawl, a holding pawl, and a spool. In short, when you engage the magnesium shift lever that sits behind the dedicated, carbon fiber brake lever, the following occurs: The transport pawl leaps over the holding pawl, and with the help of the spool, it pulls (or releases) 3mm of cable per shift. Once you've completed the shifting motion, the holding pawl then holds the cable in place. As you probably know, you push the same lever for both up-shifts and down-shifts. A small push of the lever releases cable to put you down into your sprinting gears, and a bigger push pulls cable to move you up into your climbing gears. It couldn't be more simple or elegant.
There are a few practical details worth mentioning. You can go up your cassette into climbing gears a maximum of three gears per shift. You can go down your cassette into the sprinting gears only one gear per shift. One highlight of DoubleTap, though, is that it permits you to do what SRAM phrases as 'Sprint Shifting.' While gripping your handlebars in the drops, you can hold the right-side shift lever against the bar and downshift with a short, quick flick of your wrist. Unlike Shimano or Campy, you don't have to peel your fingers off the bar during a hairy field sprint to shift to your 11. Instead, you can keep your hands securely on the bars while making sure you're in a big enough gear.
One other small design feature is that when you shift, the lever doesn't move strictly right-to-left in the lateral plane. Rather, it sweeps 15 degrees inward towards the head tube of your frame. This action makes the shifting motion mirror the natural inward curvature of your hand. It's a little thing that goes a long way in terms of comfort and shifting precision. Also, the lever is positioned close to your bar in order to minimize user-force on the lever and to further optimize this 15 degree sweep.
Force shifters have no external cables, so they look as beautiful as they feel, while maximizing aerodynamics. They come with a full cable and housing for both derailleurs and brakes. Given the design of DoubleTap shifting, please note that SRAM recommends that you use a complete SRAM drivetrain, including both derailleurs, cassette, chain, and crankset in order to optimize shift quality.
The SRAM Force Shifters is available in one size and in one color. The pair of shifters tip the scales around 302 grams without cables.
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Will these Force shifters work with Dura-ace...
Will these Force shifters work with Dura-ace 7801 front derailleur?
Nope, Shimano and SRAM are not compatible. The shifters have different cable pull ratios, so gear changes will not work...
Item # SRM0477 are these 11 speed...
Item # SRM0477 are these 11 speed shifters
Nada, my friend. These here are 10 speed shifters
Holy Schnikes!
- Familiarity: I've used it several times
Well I loved my Rival shifters and now with converting my whole drivetrain on my Orca to Force I had to get the Force shifters of course. Installed and adjusted the reach and I could not believe the how much more crisp the shifts are as compared to Rival which was good. More positive and tight than before! What a great upgrade this was for sure. I could go on and talk a bunch of tech talk but folks.............if your looking to upgrade your 10 speed drivetrain start here! Now I will admit it may just be the whole sync thing with it all being Force now but whatever it is the system runs great and we all know that gear changing is a must have to enjoy riding. So for the price of the Force as compared to Rival it is a no brainer. Now I got my set from a personal buy brand new they never installed or used. So I paid even less than what most businesses sell the set for. I got lucky I guess. But even at mid to high $300's it is worth it. Compliment it with the Force crankset and your in business. My setup is Force FD; medium cage WiFli RD; 2.2 Force crankset BB30 system; and now the shifters. Running a SRAM PC 1091R chain too. Shimano ss shift cable as well.
SRAM Shifting FTW
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
From the first time I test rode a SRAM-equipped bike, things just made sense.
The Good:
--Superb ergonomics; long rides are nice and comfy.
--Shifting and braking each get their own lever, which means you can shift without risking a brake feather, and brake without accidentally shifting.
--Adjustable lever reach, for those who have fingers of a length other than average.
--"Sprint Shifting," which allows for shifting into a smaller rear cog while gripping your drops; especially nice in a hardcore sprint.
The Bad:
--Only compatible with SRAM drivetrain parts (no surprise there)
--Once you're used to the Double Tap shifters, going back to Shimano (especially on a suddenly steep climb) can result in hilarious shifting mistakes. Ask me how I know this.
If you're in the drivetrain market, SRAM certainly deserves a look. In my opinion it's the best shifting on the market.
Cant beat SRAM Shifting
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
My first bike had Shimano shifters and I never liked the little lever big lever thing. Yes you can get used to it and have it becomes second nature I just didnt like it and trying to explain it to a new rider was never simple and straight forward. not to mention grabbing the breaks and having the break lever flop around since its also a shift lever.
None of these problems exist with SRAM, the nice integration of an inteligent ratchet system within the shifter cuts down the levers to just 1, very easy to learn, 1 click opps wrong way keep going. I upgraded to rival and after several seasons went with force on my new bike.
Say goodbye to Shimano
I love the double tap system of SRAM shifters. They are super lightweight and extremely precise. What else can you ask for?


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Trey Hillman Pregame Media Session: June 16
From one side to the other
Gil Meche will be the first to tell you he did not have his legs under him at the beginning of the season. On numerous occasions it was well documented that Meche's stamina was becoming an issue and his style of working out was not conducive to his feeling comfortable or productive on the mound. So now we come to find out that not only was changing his workout routine a contributor to his recent success, but he has also moved from one side of the rubber to the other. "It is really helping him locate better, but to some degree it is also mental, everyone thinks a little tweak here and there can be monumental at times," said manager Trey Hillman. Hillman said Gil's back feels much better, his stamina is regulated, and he is making some effective minor adjustments with pitching coach Bob McClure.
Hillman was very appreciative toward the fans with their continued support and encouragement through this tough five-week stretch. "You saw the fan turnout this past weekend, how awesome was that, they continue to believe in us and that makes it that much easier to believe in ourselves," said Hillman. He stated, "We have absolutely not lost hope and to be reassured by your community that they have not lost hope in you either is pretty special." Sidney Ponson threw two successful bullpen sessions in the past five days and he quite possibly could be ready for a minor league rehab stint in the coming week or two.


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Allen Lazard can't wait to be a Cyclone | News | Football | Cyclone Fanatic
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Is it football season yet? I am really excited for our future.
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I'm hoping he is still feeling this way next year.
This makes me so, so happy!
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does he really think he is going to get those in state guys to swtich from iowa?
Originally Posted by TallKidIsTall
does he really think he is going to get those in state guys to swtich from iowa?
Can't hurt to try!
I am so excited for our future!!
What an inspiration. Number one recruit in the nation is coming to Ames. Rhoads is the man. Hopefully Allan can get some other of the big recruits to be cyclone also
Originally Posted by TallKidIsTall
does he really think he is going to get those in state guys to swtich from iowa?
would you rather him not even try? iowa is a sinking ship and kids are gonna start to realize it. i think lazard will have some influence on recruting when it's all said and done
Hoof hearted
Having a kid (man that feels strange to type/think) like Lazard commit THIS early, and already be "All In" makes me happy happy happy. I can just hope he stays committed and the Coaches and etc. do their best to keep him feeling welcome and etc. (Though for what it's worth, I think he stays committed the entire time no matter what, but sometimes life just likes to kick a clone right in the jewels.)
Best part is, he's the kind of player we all (or maybe it's just me) create in the NCAA football games, top player at his position in his class, commits to Iowa State and helps us kick *** for a few years.
Chris: GREAT job with the feature.
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Reading that made me proud to be a Cyclone fan. My father played for Iowa State and I have followed every basketball and football game my entire life. I was an All-American in highschool... but didn't go to ISU. At the same time, they didn't talk to me either. My dream would have been to play football or basketball for the Cyclones.
Dear ncaa can there be a rule where a high school junior who bleeds cardinal and gold sign his loi just a little bit before everyone else.That way I know stoops,saban,gum chomper,and everyone else can leave allen alone.Hes ours and no one will change his mind.so please let him sign already..please and thank you
The class of 2013 is already historical as Chris points out.
How about EPIC? There's a significant greater statistical probability of an EPIC class than anytime I can recall.
And he lines up really nicely with a few talented and large classes right ahead of him with an emphasis on O-Lineman.
Is it football season yet?
Bigger question...Will Richardson or Rohach be throwing to him?
"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
Originally Posted by Clones21
Bigger question...Will Richardson or Rohach be throwing to him?
Dont really care as long as one of them is better than we've had in a while.
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San Diego City Once Again Gets Best Of Badminton, 16-5
Sophomore Angie Ortiz did all she could for the Pasadena City College women's badminton team Wednesday, but one player does not make a team. Host San Diego City College stretched its winning streak to 19 matches and defeated the Lancers for the second straight year in the Southern California Championship final, 16-5.
PCC ended its team season at 10-5 overall and fell to 1-7 in its history in the SoCal finals. San Diego remained undefeated at 9-0 and will now face De Anza College in the CCCAA State Championship team final on Thursday, May 9 (at PCC's Hutto-Patterson Gymnasium).
Ortiz, the defending state champ in singles, handed SD City's No. 1 player Darby Duprat her first loss this season, 21-15, 21-11. Earlier, Ortiz was tactical in a 21-12, 21-7 triumph over SDCC's No. 2 player Sophia Tran. In No. 1 doubles, Ortiz and teammate Alice Liew beat Tran and Lena Van, 21-19, 21-14. The only blip for Ortiz on the day was when San Diego's No. 2 team of Duprat and Thao Nguyen outlasted the Ortiz-Liew pair, 22-20, 15-21, 21-14. Overall, Ortiz was responsible for four of the team's five points.
The only other Lancers' point was scored by Liew, who played well in a No. 2 singles battle with Tran, rallying for the win, 18-21, 21-16, 21-11. Liew gave Duprat a run as well, but lost to her 21-18, 21-19.
The defending state champion Knights set the tone early with five singles sweeps in round 1, then winning all three round 1 doubles to take a commanding 10-1 lead (need 11 for victory).
"I thought we battled them, but San Diego played extremely well, especially its bottom half of the ladder," PCC head coach Bill Sanchez said. "We didn't have the type of team season we thought we might after our opening individuals wins at the Grossmont Tournament. We played the best of the best in teams like De Anza, San Francisco, and even East Los Angeles and couldn't keep up. Now we have to focus on the individuals and maybe we can make some noise on our own court at state."
The Lancers will participate in the South Coast Conference Individuals Tournament on Friday, May 3 at the Manhattan Beach Badminton Club. Matches are scheduled to begin by 9:30 a.m. PCC will then be the host for the 2013 CCCAA State Championships Tournament from May 9-11.
Southern California Championship
San Diego City 16, Pasadena City 5
#1 Darby Duprat (SDCC) def. #2 Alice Liew (PCC), 21-18, 21-19
#1 Angie Ortiz (PCC) def. #2 Sophia Tran (SDCC), 21-12, 21-7
#3 Thao Nguyen (SDCC) def. #4 Alyssa Boyt (PCC), 21-6, 21-8
#4 Lena Van (SDCC) def. #3 Shaghig Avedisian (PCC), 21-16, 21-18
#5 Cassandra Ka (SDCC) def. #6 Serena Yan (PCC) 21-5, 21-6
#6 Karen Escobedo (SDCC) def. #5 Alejandra Palacios (PCC), 21-19, 21-6
First Round Doubles
#1 Tran/Van (SDCC) def. #2 Avedisian/Palacios (PCC), 21-13, 21-11
#2 Duprat/Nguyen def. #1Ortiz/Liew (PCC), 22-20, 15-21, 21-14
#3 Ka/Escobedo (SDCC) def. #3 Boyt/Yan (PCC), 21-8, 21-5
Second Round Singles
#1 Ortiz (PCC) def. #1Duprat (SDCC), 21-15, 21-11
#2 Liew (PCC) def. #2 Tran (SDCC), 18-21, 21-16, 21-11
#3 Nguyen def. #3 Avedisian 21-10, 21-9
#4 Van def. #4 Boyt 21-10, 21-14
#5 Ka def. #5 Palacios 21-16, 21-9
#6 Escobedo def. #6 Yan 21-6, 21-4
Second Round Doubles
#1 Ortiz/Liew (PCC) def. #1 Tran/Van (SDCC), 21-19, 21-14
#2 Nguyen/Duprat (SDCC) def. #2 Avedisian/Palacios (PCC), 21-9, 21-12
[Photo--Lancer Angie Ortiz in action during the SoCal Finals match played Wednesday at San Diego City College, image by Richard Quinton, PCC sports information photographer.]
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The Alboran Sea is the most western part of the Mediterranean sea. It is situated in the centre of the geological region, the Gibraltar Arc, and as it is the gateway to the Mediterranean and the point of contact between Africa and Europe, it is a very unique maritime area.
The Alboran Sea is considered to be an area of great geopolitical, strategic and scientific importance. Besides, given the importance of its ecosystems and biodiversity, it is the dynamic motor for the biodiversity of the western Mediterranean. For these reasons, the Alboran Sea is an area which deserves to be protected and well managed. The responsibility for its conservation falls upon all peoples surrounding the area, which itself is an enclave of great ecological, demographic and economic importance that forms the basis for their development.
Algeria, Spain and Morocco have started to work, in collaboration with IUCN, for the protection of the Alboran Sea, thus making progress in Mediterranean transnational cooperation. In 2007, representatives from the 3 countries, coming from research institutions, universities, governments and NGOs, gathered for the 1st International Meeting for the Conservation and Sustainable Development of the Alboran Sea, which was held in Malaga (Spain) from 28 to 30 November. The meeting was organized jointly by IUCN and the National Institute of Fisheries Research (INRH), with support from the Department of Environment and Territorial Planning of the Provincial Council of Malaga and the Development Agency for East Morocco.
During this meeting, in addition to identifying problems and solutions at regional level, priorities for improving the management and governance of the Alboran region were also identified, and a process for exchanging information was set up between all actors and stakeholders in the area. All in all, it laid down the basis for a specific strategy and created the conditions for establishing a shared management of the Alboran Sea in the future. Since then, coordinated work between all parties has allowed these objectives to progress.
In April 2009 the 2nd International Meeting for the Conservation and Sustainable Development of the Alboran Sea was held in Oujda (Morocco). At this second meeting, which more than 100 experts and representatives from various institutions and NGOs from Spain, Morocco and Algeria attended, it was agreed that an Action Plan be drawn up for the Alboran region based on the document: "Oujda Declaration on the Conservation and Sustainable Development of the Alboran Sea".
This second meeting has helped to strengthen the process of exchanging information between all the actors and stakeholders in the area, examine the problems and solutions at regional level in greater depth, and identify priorities for improving the management and governance of the Alboran region. These elements will serve as the basis for the next phase that includes a series of activities over the coming years.


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- Founded by: Ryan Walker and Alissa Parker
- Headquarters: Philadelphia, PA
Our promise is to only offer items that we think are truly wonderful. We try to counter the 'buy disposable' mentality by selling pieces that you will cherish for years and years to come. Each item is truly a special treasure - something to hold and love but also use and enjoy. We hope you find as much happiness in our boutique as we do. - Alissa Parker and Ryan Walker
Based out of Philadelphia, Horne is an online boutique with a well edited collection of beautiful, functional—and yes, pricey—products that are made to last.
They carry a wide range of home decor—rugs, chairs, and lighting—but we're most drawn to their cookware and tabletop, which includes a gorgeous selection of handmade knives from Italian company Coltellerie Berti, glassware from high-end Finnish manufacturer Iittala, and dishes from 200-year-old Danish company Royal Copenhagen.
Horne offers free shipping on orders over $125, and they have a nifty program where they guarantee the lowest delivered price (meaning the total cost of product, tax, and shipping). If you can find a lower delivered cost within 7 days, they'll refund 110 percent of your money. For more information about the program, check their FAQ.
- Tools Wooden Serving Tray by Iittala, $145
- Convivio Steak Knife Set by Coltellerie Berti, $415
- Soft Orange Vacuum Jug by Stelton, $109
- Blue Palmette Dinner Plate by Royal Copenhagen, $50
- Large Minima Bowl Clear by Holmegaard, $45
- Banana Fruit Bowl by Harry Allen, $120
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Ty Lawson followed with 17 points and six assists, and Kenneth Faried
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First overall pick Anthony Davis missed his fourth straight game with a
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Sarla Performance Fibers, a producer of yarn and threads, announced it will locate new operations in Colleton County.
The $13.8 million investment is expected to generate 100 new jobs.
"Colleton County offers us an excellent business environment, skilled workforce talent, exceptional market access and close proximity to the Port of Charleston. We appreciate all the support we've received from state and local officials in bringing this project to fruition," said Bobby Downs, executive vice president of Sarla Performance Fibers.
Sarla Performance Fibers, which is based in Mumbai, India, will establish a new yarn and thread manufacturing facility in Colleton County under the name Sarlaflex, located at the industrial park in Walterboro. The facility will serve customers in the apparel and upholstery markets. The new plant is expected to begin operations by May 2013.
The company will begin hiring for the new positions in January. Anyone interested in jobs with the company should contact the human resources department at the facility, 1497 Industrial Road in Walterboro.
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LAS VEGAS, Nev. – Three members of the Iowa State wrestling team earned FILA All-American honors Saturday at the ASICS FILA Junior Nationals, competing in the freestyle division. True freshman Lelund Weatherspoon led the way, as he was the champion at 79 KG (174 pounds).
Weatherspoon went 5-0 en route to his first-place finish. The Lansing, Mich. native, lost only one period in the entire tournament, coming in his first match against Austin Coburn (Old Dominion). He was dominate, winning 10 of the 11 periods he wrestled.
In his opening round match with Coburn, Weatherspoon came back after dropping the first period to win the second period 1-0. The final period belonged to Weatherspoon and the the match, as he got the pin with 25 seconds left in the last stanza.
In the championship match, Weatherspoon only needed two periods, as he defeated Jordan Wohlfert (Michigan State) 3-0, 2-1.
Two more Iowa State wrestlers earned FILA All-American honors in redshirt freshman Logan Molina and true freshman Drake Swarm. Molina took third-place at 74 KG (163 pounds) and Swarm took seventh-place at 55 KG (121.25 pounds).
Molina had one of the more impressive runs in the tournament after dropping his first match, then going 8-0 to take third-place. In the conosolation championship, Molina defeated Zach Brunson (Illinois) 1-0, 1-0.
Swarm went 3-2 en route to his seventh-place finish at 55 KG. In the seventh-place match, the Bettendorf, Iowa native, pinned Gunnar Woodburn (Oklahoma State) with 17 seconds remaining in the opening period.
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This year, the Iowa State Athletics Department recognizes the loyal and outstanding support from the Thompsons by naming Gary and Janet as recipients of the 2012 Cy's Favorite Alum award. Since 1955, the Iowa State University Athletics Department has recognized the loyalty and accomplishments of a graduate or friend of Cyclone Athletics.
"Gary and Janet's loyalty to Iowa State University is second to none," Iowa State Athletics Director Jamie Pollard said. "They are true ambassadors of our great university and can always be counted on for both their financial and emotional support. They are the perfect couple to be recognized as Cy's Favorite alums."
Thompson's legacy is well-documented. Growing up in nearby Roland, Iowa, Thompson enrolled at Iowa State and helped put the basketball program on the national map during his tenure in Ames from 1954-57. The "Roland Rocket" became the first consensus first-team All-American in Iowa State men's basketball history, as the Cyclones appeared in the Associated Press' top-25 for the first time ever.
In his senior campaign, Thompson was the first Cyclone to top the 1,000-point mark in a career and his team literally slayed a giant. Thompson and the Cyclones recorded the biggest win in school history, defeating No. 1-ranked Kansas (39-37) led by Hall-of-Famer Wilt Chamberlain. To this day, it is the only time a Cyclone team knocked off the nation's top-rated team in men's hoops. The 1957 Big Seven Player of the Year had his No. 20 jersey officially retired where it hangs today in the rafters of Hilton Coliseum.
Thompson was also an All-American in baseball, leading the Cyclones to their first College World Series appearance (1957). He represented the United States on the 1959 Pan American Games Basketball team, playing alongside NBA legends Oscar Robertson and Jerry West. He played and coached with the Phillips 66 AAU basketball program for a number of years before forging a successful business career with Phillips in Ames.
Thompson was introduced to a future generation of Cyclone fans as a nationally-respected basketball television analyst in the 1970s. The Hall-of-Fame broadcaster worked with NBC, ABC, ESPN, Big Eight/12 and the Cyclone Television Network in a brilliant career spanning three decades. He was inducted into the inaugural ISU Letterwinners Athletics Hall of Fame class in 1997.
Gary and Janet are ever-present at Cyclone sporting events and are loyal supporters of Iowa State Athletics fund-raising efforts. Their gifts over the years have benefited numerous athletics projects, including the construction of the Jacobson Athletic Building where the "Gary Thompson Hall of Honor" bears his name. The Thompsons are members of the Cyclone Club, ISU Letterwinners Club, Clyde Williams Society and Order of the Knoll.
Gary's vast expertise has aided Iowa State while serving on the ISU Athletics Council, ISU Letterwinners Board/Hall of Fame selection committee and ISU Foundation Board of Governors. He's also been a valuable resource for the Iowa State Athletics Administration in coaching searches.
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Officials are waiting on information from medical staff about the status of Harry Wayne Walden.
Walden, who attempted suicide Sunday in downtown Meridian, is charged with the murder of Beth Morris in July 2012 in Lauderdale County.
District Attorney Bilbo Mitchell says officials still don't know the prognosis of the injuries sustained after Walden leaped from the 22nd Avenue bridge with a rope around his neck.
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At this time no new trial date has been set.
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Sun Driver (SATA version) arrives with very nice and simple retail packaging and a couple hdd's ready to be tested! :p
Installation is very simple (no harder than replacing the drive) :)
The fit for power, flat cable and sata data/power are all very solid (sata connections are especially tight which is nice because I've some cheap sata connectors on other devices where the cable can fall out if bumped)
2.5in hdd fit's nicely as expected. The tight power/data connection and 2 mounting screws are more than enough to keep the hdd in place and secure.
A good look over Sun Drivers PCB shows of the quality from manufacturing.. all connections, components, etc are clean and there is no slop left over or bad solder here!
NOTE: (Sun Driver may come shipped to you with switches all set to "ON" please REMEMBER switch them all away from led -> to take advantage of the GC SunDiskMenu01.ISO to switch games)
Some sexy photo's of Sun Driver's led showing status. Old face plate mod for SunDisk :p .. will probably do some nice mod for Sun Driver soon also ;)
Installing games and configuring Sun Driver is easy and fast.
Power on Wii with "Eject" button and 4 switches to the right and GC Menu app comes right up!
GC Menu is nice and simple select the game you want and Wii reboots with selected game loaded into disc channel :D
I found this product easy to use and with 3 way to change games it is very convenient way to store and play your games.
Upon first connecting the usb data cable to pc drivers were automatically found and installed, SunDriver_Programmer_V2.0.exe worked as expected and loaded games quick.
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I was able to install game images and game cube icon even show for SunDiscMenu but trying to run it only ever rebooted the wii. I spent hours trying to make this drive work but with no success.
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View videos of the presentations from the Microsoft Research eScience Workshop, Transforming Scholarly Communication. Microsoft Research and Harvard University sponsored this invitation-only event from October 23 to 25, 2011, at the Microsoft New England Research and Development Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The workshop—co-sponsored in close collaboration with the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, and the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation—convened experts in scholarly communication from academia, the publishing industry, scholarly and learned societies, and funding Microsoft Research New England Research and Development Centeragencies.
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ATLANTA -- Atlanta Police have arrested a suspect in connection with a shooting death at a West End tattoo parlor.
Clifford Harris, 22, was taken into custody Sunday night on charges of murder, armed robbery and aggravated assault.
Atlanta Police Sgt. Greg Lyon said Harris is accused of shooting two people at Celebrity Status Tattoo on Jan. 16.
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Welcome to the Forum Arrowhead Hunter, I sent you a PM.
Welcome Arrowhead Hunter. Hey you two, company !
Just wondering, has anyone ever arrowed a buck from D-14?
I've hunted D14 for about 10 years now, I started hunting with my dad when I was 16. Of course, back then hunting consisted of going out on the weekends and hoping we'd see even a doe at times. Now that I'm a older and hunting has become a passion rather than a hobby, I find myself up there in the woods more days than not during the season and have abandoned the pinnacles because of all the other hunters that frequent there. I've been succesful in arrowing bucks in D14 the last two years but they don't compare to bigshots by any means. One was a 2x2 and the other was a wider 2x3. I'm still hoping to see a 4x soon let alone shoot one. I missed a girthy 3x3 this year as I thought he was 35 yards out instead of 45. Missed right below him. I think he was just passing through the area as I haven't got him on a game camera or haven't seen him in the area since.
Hey Bigshot, most of your bigger bucks look like really open areas, not really ideal for bows, think you would of had a chance at any had you not had your rifle? Maybe I'm hunting in too dense of areas if I wanted a chance at a 4x, thoughts?
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Any buck in D14 is an accomplishment and with a bow is an xlnt achievement !
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ALEXANDRIA, Va. (WUSA) -- A North Carolina man who claimed to be a Marine stationed at Quantico, Va. was sentenced Friday to 15 months in prison for threatening 11 women he met online.
According to United States Attorney For the Easter District of Virginia Neil MacBride, 29-year-old James M. Johnson created an online dating profile with the name "Shawn Davis." He used photos of a uniformed U.S. Marine and created a false story about his family and military history. Under the screen name "Cuddleman," Johnson expressed romantic interest in at least 11 women in Virginia and the mid-Atlantic between July 2009 and October 2010. He then tried to get them to send him naked or seductive photos, to disrobe, or engage in sexual activity on a web cam. Johnson would threaten to sexually assault them, kill them or their children or post altered photos on porn websites if they refused.
MacBride says one victim was told that Johnson would "slit [her] throat and send his friends to kill [her]." Authorities say Johnson spoke to police who had been called to another victim's house and threatened to blow her house up if they didn't leave.
NCIS investigated the case and Johnson pleaded guilty in July 2012 to one count of cyberstalking and one count of making interstate threats.
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Reserve Your Table For "Meet The Coaches Night"
AMES, Iowa – Iowa State head coaches and Director of Athletics Jamie Pollard will headline the 2013 "Meet the Coaches Night," on August 15. All of Iowa State's head coaches plan to be in attendance.
"Meet the Coaches Night is a great event," said Iowa State Director of Special Events Lindsey Long. "It offers our fans an opportunity to meet and greet with coaches from all of our sports programs."
With an overwhelming interest from Cyclone fans, the event is expanding to its new home in the Community Choice Credit Union Convention Center (the old Vets Auditorium) at the Iowa Events Center. Doors will be open for a social hour at 5 p.m. Dinner is at 6 p.m., followed by a program at 7 p.m.
Tables for eight cost $300/$400, depending on whether a department administrator is seated there. Single tickets may also be purchased for $40. A new addition to the event is the option of a pre-ordered bottle of wine that will be placed on your table as you arrive.
"As we start a new year, we have a lot to celebrate and a lot to look forward to," Long said. "This is one of the best events to celebrate all of our sports programs and what it means to be a Cyclone."
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The last Bruins fight was Campbell vs. Kaleta in the game on 2/10. Six games, no fights, nine of a possible 12 points.
I guess the B's don't need the staged fights from the skating clown to propel them to victory.
Speaking of the skating clown, how are these stats his stats since he returned from his beating?
7gp, 0-0-0, 2PIM
Come on, Chiarelli! Bring up someone from Providence!
Hey, listen, the team is winning, so I really don't want to see any changes, but I sort of do. If nothing else, it would be more fun to root for one of the prospects and watch one of them perform in the NHL than to see the empty 22 jersey lagging behind the play and getting burned by every puck carrier on the ice.