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1965 Funny Car Dragsters Back In Action - Altered States RevisitedWritten by on May 1, 2002 The Spirit Of 1965 Remains Active Into The 21st Century
The year was 1965. The musclecar wars were just beginning to heat up with the release of the new GTO and the 426 street wedge Mopars, but Chrysler was facing a different dilemma. The dominance of the Hemi in NASCAR in 1964 had led Bill France to declare non-production motors illegal, and Chrysler, in turn, decided to sit out the oval-track season. Thus-freed NASCAR money was heading over to the dragstrip, and the results would profoundly influence history.
A Detroit-area subcontractor named Amblewagon was given the task of radically modifying close to a dozen B-Bodies for A/FX-type racing. The factory sponsored loyalists like Bill Flynn and Dick Landy and hired other big-name drivers like Ronnie Sox to pilot them. The cars were reduced from 115 inches to 110 inches by moving the front wheels forward 10 inches and the rear wheels forward 15 inches, resulting in a peculiar appearance. It is now believed that it was at their official debut at Beeline Raceway in Phoenix for the AHRA Winter Nationals that the term "Funny Car" first came into use as they rolled forward in eliminations. From Bakersfield to Bristol, the cars' appearance upstaged all but the most serious fuel dragsters. While NHRA banned them from A/FX, a situation that gave Ford a cakewalk to that crown, they were welcomed in AHRA and spent much of the year racing at smaller facilities and events. Of course, if they showed up, all bets were off as to how "small" an event might be; a near riot resulted when 25,000 fans showed up at York, Pennsylvania, for the Super Stock Magazine Nationals in early August.
Barnstorming across the nation, the cars took the sport of drag racing by storm, and their legacy of wheelstanding, nitro-burning action would be the true beginnings of professional Funny Car drag racing. In addition to the factory-offered examples, numerous individuals around the nation began making "Funny Car" changes to their own drag cars by altering wheelbases, adding fuel injection, and running nitrated gasoline. These unheralded cars actually made up the backbone of the movement; the big-name stars were highly visible and admired by the media and public alike, but it was these home-grown conversions that let many people get their first taste of where drag racing was headed. As the speeds increased and new technologies were developed, the hybrid stockers were superceded by faster (and, we might add, safer) versions made of chrome-moly tubing and fiberglass. The era ended 24 months or so after the car's first appearance.
Today, the cars that were campaigned in that fabulous era are in a state of resurgence. While there are certainly some that will never see the racetrack again, restored as exact artifacts of the era, others have received the necessary safety upgrades and are being readied to hit the strip again in 2002. We thought it would be nice to give the readers a chance to find out who is doing what with which cars.
Jim Paulson, Kenosha, WI
'65 Jake's Speed Equipment Plymouth
Vehicle: Original restored.
Original owner: Paul Candies and Leonard Hughes, Houma, Louisiana
Best e.t.: 9.89/134 mph
The shortened Jake's Speed Equipment Plymouth, the first Funny Car entry of noted race team Candies and Hughes, has been a regular at nostalgia events in the Midwest for several seasons. Owner/driver Jim Paulson plans to run several events focusing on Great Lakes Dragway, the Monster Mopar Weekend in St. Louis, the Goodguys Nationals in Indy, and several other regional Mopar and nostalgia drag shows. This car is considered the forerunner of many restored cars today, debuting with Chet Gibbs' Jayhawker during an appearance at the Chrysler Classic in Columbus in 1995. Jett Townsend will continue on the tuning chores.
Craig Handley and Bob Pickle, St. Louis, MO
'65 El Toro Plymouth
Vehicle: Original restored
Original owner: Ed Haulsey, St. Louis, Missouri
Jett Townsend is also involved in the El Toro car, which will be running out of former A/FX racers Craig Handley and Bob Pickle's stable. The car is injected on alcohol with Bob behind the loud pedal, and the car will probably be at many of the events that the Paulson/Townsend juggernaut attend in 2002. The car is currently in the paint shop. The A990 Belvedere was converted to AWB trim in 1966 using blueprints obtained from Dick Maxwell at Chrysler by owner Ed Hausley. Handley and Pickle owned the car twice, obtaining it again in sad shape in 1997 at the urging of Townsend and Chet Gibbs. The four-year restoration includes new suspension pieces from Just Suspension, upgraded safety equipment, and should be ready to rumble early in the season.
There are other cars out there. Dan Fuller recently sold a replicated altered-wheelbase car that will probably end up on the race track. Several private collectors are still working on restorations, although there is no word as to whether these vehicles will actually be upgraded to safely race once they are done. Over the course of the last dozen years or so, several other cars have shown up at various events. We, of course, would be interested to hear about others and will print information on them in Mopar Drag News.
Larson's Blast
The lead image in this story was staged at Drag Fest 2001 at Bruce Larson's farm near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, last November. Larson, a long-time Funny Car racer and the '89 NHRA FC champion, opens this personal museum once a year for this get-together, which features privately owned home movies, slide shows, and photo collections from various nostalgia enthusiasts. The $12 admission charge for the day includes lunch as well. We will note the '02 date in the Events Section once it is released. Bruce does have a slew of Chevy-bodied Funny Cars on display (most of them have Hemi power, though).
Brian Kohlmann, Racine, WI
'65 S/FX Belle Dodge
Vehicle: Replication
Original prototype: Mr. Norm's Supercharger
Of course, no story would be complete without an update on the Belle Dodge replica, a supercharged nitro-burning beast that wows fans everyplace it goes. The blueprint for this machine was the ex-Roger Lindamood "Color Me Gone" Dodge, which Mr. Norm Kraus and Gary Dyer converted to supercharged nitro status in mid-1965; the original version of this machine remains unaccounted for by researchers. Now having run several seasons, owner/driver Brian Kohlmann continues to find time to campaign his replicated tribute despite increased costs and a hectic work schedule. For 2002, the nastiest S/FX machine the world has ever known (7.90s at 170-plus) will be racing at approximately a dozen events, with locations still being decided. Kohlmann is now hinting at considering an increase in the volume of nitro the car runs; currently, that number is around 45 percent. Another possibility is barnstorming to some of the country's most "authentic" vintage racetracks in the byways and hollows of mid-America, or perhaps an east coast tour of well-known tracks that existed in the car's heydays. Regardless, this will bring the house down.
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Chet Gibbs, Mooresville, IN
'63 Jayhawker Plymouth
Vehicle: Original restored.
Original owner: Jon Thorne, Valdosta, Georgia
Best e.t.: 9.94/136 mphPerhaps one of the more traveled vehicles on the AWB circuit has been Chet Gibbs' Jayhawker Plymouth, which was built in mid-1965. Since restoration in the early '90s, Gibbs has certainly garnered notoriety for high wheelstands in the Hemi-powered beast. In 2002, he has not finalized his travel plans, but normally races against the old Jake's Speed Equipment Plymouth. The car is unique in that it's an original '63 Max Wedge model with '64 fiberglass parts redone in 1965; Thorne barnstormed across the nation during the '65 and '66 race seasons and then graduated to a faster car. It also ran with a supercharged Max Wedge before receiving the altered wheelbase back in the day, making it one the first supercharged stockers as well. The fact that Gibbs is still willing to put it up on its back bumper on occasion is very cool.Rick DeMarco, Hammonton, NJ
The Virginian Plymouth
Vehicle: Original restored
Original owner: Pee Wee Wallace, Richmond, Virginia
Best Time: 10.0 with different motor, N/A with Barton HemiThis car's restoration was completed in 1998 and it has been down the track several times. Noted collector Mike Guffey gets the credit for locating the remains of the home-built, factory-assisted machine. With plans to keep the car on the strip, current owner Rick DeMarco has just installed a Ray Barton-injected Hemi making 735 horsepower on gasoline. He plans to drive the car four times this year, including a highlight appearance at the East Coast Nostalgia Super Stock Association race at Atco, New Jersey, on September 21 (this event will also feature a Mopar car show).Jim Kramer, Butler, PA
'65 The Honker Dodge
Vehicle: Original restored
Original owner: Bud Faubel, Chambersburg, PennsylvaniaMaking its debut at Bruce Larson's East Coast Drag Racing Festival in November with original owner Bud Faubel himself in attendance, the just-completed Honker Dodge may be the most important altered-wheelbase machine to be restored this year. This car won the race at Beeline in the spring of 1965 and was a major east coast player during the two years Faubel owned it. Unlike virtually all of the other Amblewagon vehicles, this one had not suffered from years of rusting and outdoor storage. Redone in meticulous fashion by noted car builder Dan Fuller of Ohio, the car will be the cornerstone of restoration-parts specialist Jim Kramer's collection. Plans now call for a serious motor to be built so the duck-adorned beast can again return to the track; at this time, Jim isn't certain that will happen this year. Once finished, Jim plans to drive it as an exhibition car before retiring it for good. We'll keep you posted.Greg Sullivan, Albequrue, NM
'65/'66 Pandemonium Barracuda
Vehicle: Original restored.
Original owner: Bob Sullivan, Kansas City, Kansas
While the altered-wheelbase machinery was certainly in the limelight during early 1965, making waves out of Kansas City was Bob Sullivan, who swapped the 392-inch blown nitro engine out of his dragster into a Barracuda and then wowed the fans at Indy that year. This car, which was updated in 1966, has survived and is presently being restored by Greg Sullivan (no relation to Bob Sullivan) of Albequrque, New Mexico. Plans are to return the car to full race status, including a blown late-model Hemi on fuel. Greg has owned it for a little over a year, and has it at Gary Hansen Racing Cars in Pomona, California, being restored. Ralph Suman, who was involved with the original project, is also involved in making this project complete.Rick DeMarco, Hammonton, NJ
'65 Mr. Tomato Dodge (former A990)
Vehicle: Original restored
Original owner: The Lindquest family, Southland Gardens, Aberdeen, Texas
This car was created as an altered wheelbase machine in 1966, and is currently being restored at DeMarco's shop. DeMarco hopes to have it track-ready by June, and plans to run it with the Virginian at specific events. The car will also be powered by a Ray Barton elephant, and, like the Virginian, uses an automatic transmission. This car is special to Rick as he is in the nursery business; the original owners had a 1000-plus acre tomato farm in Texas, hence the name "Mr. Tomato," a business similar to Rick's grandfather's tomato business.Incidentally, Rick also has three other nice vintage restorations: the '65 A990 California Flash, the '64 Flying Carpet Dodge, and Maverick's '63 Max Wedge. Those cars will also see some track time on the east coast during the next 12 months.
Confirmed dates:
April 28: Atco; May 26: Atco; June 30: Atco;
July 28: Atco;
September 23: Atco (S/S race)Mark Ulinski, Racine, WI
'65 Atlantic Dodge Flyer
Vehicle: Original restored
Original driver: Charlie Allen, Los Angeles, California
For slightly less exciting thrills, Kohlmann will also be campaigning the "wild card" of the '02 A/FX tour, the original Atlantic Dodge Flyer built in mid-1965 by racer Charlie Allen for west coast use. According to sources, the car posted an amazing 25 victories during its short half-season appearance, including a runner-up in class at the U.S. Nationals. Now owned by collector Mark Ulinski, also of Racine, this car made its first public appearance in almost 35 years at Bruce Larson's bash last November. Many aficionados were unaware that this car remained in existence. A true artifact, but now updated to current specs, the car will be seen at a select number of venues this year, based on available opportunities. According to Brian, after it has made a few passes, it will probably be retired for good. See it if you get a chance.


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Thursday, January 7, 2010
Winter Play Mat
14 comments:
- The Activity Mom said...
That is absolutely adorable!
- January 7, 2010 at 4:12 PM
- Ticia said...
way too cute. What do you do with all of these play sets you make when they're done playing with them?
- January 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM
- Christy said...
LOVE LOVE LOVE it! I want to know the answer to Ticia's question too!
- January 7, 2010 at 5:56 PM
- sarah in the woods said...
This is really cute! And I love your little mushroom houses too - I want to make those!
- January 7, 2010 at 8:57 PM
- Mama King said...
So much creativity going on at your house. I love it! I esp. like the pond :-)
- January 7, 2010 at 10:44 PM
- Musical Mama said...
What a fun idea! I gave you the Lemonade Stand Award over on my blog! Thanks for sharing your family and ideas!
- January 8, 2010 at 12:11 AM
- Kristine said...
what a magical way of playing
- January 8, 2010 at 12:43 AM
- diana Adams said...
now it's actually snowing outside!
love your blog, darling. and thanks for your visit yesterday.
- January 8, 2010 at 4:58 AM
- pink and green mama said...
Hi Ladies!
I store the various play mats and props in different theme bins and baskets on shelves in our playroom.
We have one a big basket full of Fairy Land things, one bin for silk scarves, one bin for the farm stuff, the ocean box is on a shelf in the playroom stacked with the rainbow rice sensory box, etc. Of course the girls borrow things from various boxes if they are needed for a particular story/plot line but when we're done playing the things all go back to their original homes/bins/baskets.
I like to keep our playroom organized like a classroom, everything has a place or a home of it's own and it's labeled clearly with photos so the girls know where to put everything and where to find it. It makes cleaning up the playroom quick and easy.
I hope this answers your questions!!
pink and green mama
- January 8, 2010 at 5:06 PM
- angela | the painted house said...
Seriously, Girl, you ROCK! Can I be your daughter? What wonderful memories your children will have of their childhood. You are doing good, Momma!
- January 8, 2010 at 10:47 PM
- gina said...
Where did you get all of the tiny artic critters?
- January 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM
- pink and green mama said...
Hi Gina!
The little arctic set was in a tube of mini critters at Michaels craft store. The bigger arctic animals and santa are from a Play Mobil advent set. I made some of the mini penguins out of fimo modeling clay, and some of the tiny fuzzy snowmen are from Michaels in the Christmas crafts area.
If there's anything in particular you're looking for just let me know!
pink and green mama
- January 9, 2010 at 4:39 PM
- Bridgett said...
Too cute for words!
- January 10, 2010 at 8:33 AM
- Kat said...
Love your site. Everything you do looks like so much fun. Lucky girls!
- January 11, 2010 at 8:43 PM
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Washington, DC (Sports Network) - James van Riemsdyk netted two goals as the
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Korbinian Holzer also scored, while Ben Scrivens stopped 24 shots for Toronto,
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|Strategic Air Command display coming to 2013 SCORE camp
|Written by Wauneta Breeze
|Friday, 28 December 2012 23:28
By Jan Schultz
The Imperial Republican
Students attending next summer's Science Camps Offer Rewarding Experiences (SCORE) camps will be in for a treat, according to Director Marla Smith of Imperial.
The Strategic Air & Space Museum in Ashland, Neb., will be sending many of its exiting pieces and programs to the camps scheduled for June 10-14 in and around Imperial.
Camps, each lasting three days, will be split into sections for grades 1-2, 3-4 and 5-6 and spread over the week in mid-June.
Camp dates are:
Grades 1-2—June 10, 11, 12
Grades 3-4—June 12, 13, 14
Grades 5-6—June 11, 12 13
Students should register for the grade they are in this year (2012-13). Daily camp time is 8 a.m. to 2 p.m.
The 2013 camp theme is "Try-Science," and its curriculum will include hands-on activities in life, earth and the physical sciences, with emphasis on the earth sciences, Smith said.
The first full day of each camp will be dedicated to the strategic Air & Space Museum activities.
Special features will include a mobile planetarium, multi-axis trainer, giant shuttle model slide, earth balloons and solar telescopes, robotics, an unmanned hot air balloon launch, Astronaut 101 and rocketry.
Ken Schroeder, who many SCORE campers know from the Edgerton Explorit Center in Aurora, is now deputy director at the museum, joining the museum staff in late summer.
Smith noted that some of the museum's events will be open to the public during the daytime camps, and plans are to have an evening display for the public, as well.
The first day of each grade-level camp will be held at Chase County Schools and dedicated to a "Space Academy."
Another main event for students in the grade 1-2 and 3-4 camps will be presentations by the Riverside Zoo from Scottsbluff. Staff will be bringing many of their animal "friends" to the camps on June 12 and 13, Smith said.
Smith, along with assistants Kim Spady and Charlesa Kline are busy making plans for additional activities for the camps.
SCORE camps will celebrate their 15th year in 2013, thanks to support from the community and hundreds of volunteers, Smith noted.
In helping to finance the camps, SCORE has again gained grants from the Upper Republican NRD, as well as major donations from Chase County keno funds, the H.B. Heuermann Foundation and an anonymous donor.
As of Dec. 1, donations have been received from 35 businesses, 10 organizations and 16 individuals. Tuition pays for about half of the camp costs, Smith noted, with the rest coming from grants and donations. Gifts are tax deductible.
Other ways people can contribute include scholarships for students, in-kind donations, providing food and lodging next June, teaching and volunteering at the camps. Camp cost in 2013 will be $100 per student no matter where they live, Smith noted. That is a change from previous camps where out-of-area campers were charged a higher fee.
Smith and Sue Renken founded the camps in 1989 and, over the years, formats have changed. Some years, the camps have exceeded 300 participants.
More information is on the website: www.scorecamp.com, which is being updated and is expected to be activated this week. Registrations are now being taken.


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Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - Jakub Voracek netted the deciding goal in
the second period and Ilya Bryzgalov stopped 18-of-19 shots, as the
Philadelphia Flyers avoided a franchise-worst start with a gritty 2-1 victory
over the New York Rangers.
Wayne Simmonds provided the other score for the Flyers, who had dropped the
first three games of their truncated schedule and had never before lost four
games in regulation to begin any season.
Philadelphia also halted an eight-game losing streak to their division rivals
without the services of forwards Danny Briere (wrist), Scott Hartnell (broken
toe), and Brayden Schenn (1-game suspension).
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Still no easy answers when it comes to the economy
October 29, 2010
Waiting for me in my ridiculously crowded inbox this morning was an e-mail from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, which informed me that economic activity—i.e. the Gross Domestic Product—in the third quarter grew at a rate of 2 percent.
While this figure is certain not to get anyone excited about the pace of the economic recovery we all hear about, it is not altogether terrible either. Why? Well, the optimist in me says that it is at least better than the 1.7 percent GDP we saw in the second quarter. But the pessimist in me sees that it is down from the first quarter's 3.7 percent clip.
As you can see by these numbers, things are moving along on the economic side, albeit very, very slowly. And we are seeing this case of economic stops and starts on the freight side, too.
A few economic indicators we look at tell that story pretty clearly. These things include; the American Trucking Associations monthly truck tonnage data, which saw slight sequential growth in September on a seasonally-adjusted basis; strong but declining West Coast Port TEU tallies; and steady and occasionally very impressive weekly carload and intermodal volumes released by the Association of American Railroads.
One thing these types of freight/economic indicators all have in common is that when it comes to seeing consistent and meaningful economic growth, there are no easy answers. Not exactly news, I know, but it is truly the elephant in the corner, it seems.
There simply is no getting around the fact that the economy is still in a rough place. Are things better than a year ago? Yes. But, still, more needs to happen.
That is where the holiday shopping season comes in. Talk about the biggest and most timely (and ubiquitous) economic indicator there is. I am cautiously expecting malls to get more crowded every time I go to one between now and the end of December. Yes, there is the obvious seasonality factor that comes with that thought. But seeing how busy—and how well prepared— retailers are for whatever happens will be quite telling, even though overall expectations are, understandably, relatively low for obvious reasons (see high unemployment rate at the top of the list).
That much was made obvious by the National Retail Federation's recent 2.3 percent year-over-year growth forecast for this year's holiday shopping season.
In any event, the economy continues to zig and zag, leaving us, as per the usual at this point, with more questions than answers. Stay tuned for a lot more uncertainty as we all try to navigate this storm.
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ST. INIGOES, Md. (WUSA) -- Thursday night, a man was shot and killed during a struggle after two men entered a St. Inigoes home and tried to rob him.
According to St. Mary's County Sheriff's Office, officers arrived at a home at 9:25 p.m. Thursday for the report of a robbery and shooting. They found a man, later identified as 37-year-old Robert L. McDowney, lying on the floor suffering from a single gunshot wound. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
Detectives with the St. Mary's County Bureau of Criminal Investigations determined that two African American males forced their way into the home through the front door and announced a robbery. There was a struggle, and one of the intruders took out a handgun and shot McDowney. Both intruders left in a silver in color Ford Fusion.
The first suspect is described as an African American male with a dark complexion, 5'7" tall, weighing approximately 180 pounds. He was wearing an orange and black bandana and blue jeans.
The second suspect is described as an African American male with a light complexion, 6"2" to 6'3" tall, weighing between 215 and 240 pounds. He wearing an orange and black jacket with a hood and blue jeans.
Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call Det./Cpl. Sarah Russell at 301-475-4200 Ext. 9105 or text information to CRIMES (274637). Simply enter "TIP239" (847239) before your tip or by calling Crime Solvers at 301-475-3333.


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#2 - Wyoming, Backcountry Elk
#3 - Alaska, Sheep
What are the 3 Top Hunts you would like to do before you move on to the Big Hunting Grounds In The Sky ?
My Top 3 - (Bear, Elk & Caribou)
#1 - Colorado, Backcountry Mule Deer
#2 - Wyoming, Backcountry Elk
#3 - Alaska, Sheep
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Utah San Juan elk early rifle (I should draw within 5 years on points)
Arizona Strip for mule deer (I should draw within 8 years on points)
Arizona Desert Bighorn (I should draw within 15 years on points)
BC mt Goat
Yukon Moose
The Strip Mule Deer
Alberta mule deer
Archery brown bear
Brooks Range sheep hunt
A bad day in the woods is better than a good day at work.
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200''+ rifle buck, henry's in UT
Ca desert bighorn in CA
Yukon Moose hunt
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1-Caribou archery
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1-Alaska combo Moose & Mountain Caribou
2- Argentina Bird Hunting
3- NM guided Elk
Everything in the biggame is rifle as I don't bowhunt. I am working on all three as I am getting up there in years.Looks like I might get the Alaska hunt in in 2013.
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Calgary, AB (Sports Network) - Steve Begin scored twice in the third period to
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Lee Stempniak added a first-period marker to back 36 saves from Miikka
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BPI Suing ABC Network For $1.2 Billion
(Dakota Dunes, SD) -- Dakota Dunes based B-P-I has filed a $1.2 Billion lawsuit against ABC News and the American Broadcasting Company for knowingly and intentionally publishing false and disparaging statements regarding B-P-I and its product known as lean Finely Textured Beef. The 250 page lawsuit was filed in Union County District Court in South Dakota Thursday morning.
Dan Webb, chairman of the Winston and Strawn law firm that is representing the company, says ABC News launched a long term sustained vicious attack of misinformation against B-P-I.
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Attached is a photo that I received lately - the lady on the bike is my mother and we believe this photo was taken c 1953 as indicated by the licence plate on the bike. Any thoughts as to the vintage of this particular bike? None of us in the family recall much about the bike - but we were thrilled to get this photo and curious to discover a bit more about the bike. This may then give us a clue as to where the bike came from. Any replies welcome - thanks for your help! email@example.com
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NEW MARTINSVILLE - It wasn't pretty, but Mark Batton isn't worried about style points anyway.
Magnolia turned the ball over four times, was guilty of 13 penalties for 115 yards and was limited in what it could do offensively, but did just enough in clutch situations. The result was a 17-13 victory against Wheeling Central on Friday night at Alumni Field, in a key West Virginia Class A showdown.
''For a $5 ticket, I think it was pretty well worth it,'' Batton said. ''It was who can survive, and thank goodness it was those guys in blue.''
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Magnolia's Drew Keller keeps his eyes upfield as Wheeling Central's Joe John (20) gives chase. Also pictured is Magnolia's Cole Seckman (75) and the Maroon Knights' Braxton Nolte (36).
The Eagles (4-1) made their share of mistakes, but the Maroon Knights (2-2) were charged with even more. Wheeling Central threw three interceptions and lost two of its four fumbles.
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''We just can't pass up opportunities when they're given to us, and penalties give them advantages. Turnovers give them advantages,'' Knights coach Mike Young said. ''Even as sloppy as we were handling the ball, our kids didn't quit. It was a gutsy performance to the end.
''Coming out of here 17-13, we're knowing we had five turnovers and were one play from winning the game.''
Wheeling Central has been challenged in terms of throwing the football this season, so it was no surprise when the Magnolia came out with eight, sometimes nine defenders in the box. Maroon Knights quarterback C.J. Burch took advantage, throwing over top the defense and into the arms of Michael Pleva who took it 40 yards for the opening score.
Three plays later, the Blue Eagles tied it. Playing with a separated shoulder, Magnolia receiver Stephen Rogalski took a short Tanner Hanna pass, made one move and sped 76 yards for the equalizer.
''That's Stephen. Hats off to him (because) he battled through that and I know he's hurting,'' Batton said. ''He's a team guy and he knew what it meant to the team.
''When he turned the jets on down our sidelines, wasn't anyone going to touch him.''
The Maroon Knights' second turnover set the Blue Eagles up at the 36. Magnolia eventually gambled on fourth-and-9 and it paid off as Hannah rolled left and found Rogalski for 16 yards.
Runs of 14 and 5 from Drew Keller, who gained a team-leading 83 on 24 carries, put the Blue Eagles on the board and a Clemens Raitmayr 31-yard field goal a bit later made it 17-7.
Wheeling Central was back in business right before the half as C.J. Burch, who was limited to 81 yards on 24 carries, broke down the visiting sideline for a gain of 30-plus, only to have it called back.
''We were selling out trying to stop the run and they got loose,'' Batton said. ''C.J. Burch is a great player and he found a way to get loose a couple times on us.''
The Blue Eagles seemed to be in control until Joe John stepped in front of a pass intended for Rogalski and raced 22 yards into the end zone with 6:03 left in the third quarter.
''We knew going into the half that we were in the game and that gave us a spark,'' Young said.
Wheeling Central let a couple of big opportunities slip through its fingers. With freshman Matt Gruber in at QB, the Knights tried a halfback pass but Burch seemed to have a hard time letting the ball go. Pleva had gotten behind the defense and was interfered with as the ball came in late.
Later in that drive, Burch was intercepted at the Magnolia 15 by Hanna.
With Magnolia trying to run out the clock, Keller came up with a 16-yard bulldozing run on third-and-14 in which he carried three Knights the final 8 yards. The Eagles eventually had to punt and the Maroon Knights took over at their 20 with 9.4 seconds left.
Burch bought time and threw deep to Pleva who outleaped Rogalski - his only defensive snap of the night - for a 40-yard gain, but they both crashed to the ground as time expired.


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November 4th, 2005 #1
C.O.W. - #027: Messenger Of Death - VOTING!!!
Topic: Messenger Of Death
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concept: The Reaper's Familiar
While Death is busy with his daily routine of crossing souls over into the afterlife, there are those who are not yet ready to be taken. The Reaper has a pet, a ghastly creature who acts as his Messenger. This Messenger meets those who for a moment face mortal peril but do not know it. He informs them that they are near of dying, but that it is not their turn yet to be taken, and so they must wait. He acomplishes this with his grotesque appearence, which usually is enough to frighten away from the dangerous situation the soul in question has wandered into. Though he looks menacing, he is harmless.
concept: After a complete endoplazmatic breakdown of the parasite retrieved the opinion of This direktorate that the parasite is not of terrestrial origin. The cellular properties are found only in the blood of extensive Martian beer drinkers.
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If everything goes as planned, we will unleash Kochot tomorrow.
During the tests we noticed the mutation of fauna caused by Kochot's toxic cloud:
one, the Basser flies, which are generated by kochot's dermis' mitochondria and the sail moths which mutated into filter feeders to catch the large numbers of Basser flies. They grow as big as a horse and since they fly outside of Kochot's toxic cloud, they can be seen minutes before Kochot reaches the area.
These messengers of death won't behave aggressively.
Let them be your warning to ready your gas masks and your suits.
Yasher koach
great work, all.
concept: The messenger of death is an enormous creature that appears from the clouds once every few hundred years. No one knows where they live or where they come from but when they arrive, they bring with them the death of thousands. The messenger of death releases thousands of hatchlings to feed upon the souls of the living. These hatchlings enter the body and begin to feed until thier translucent skin becomes a hard carapace, then they retreat back to the sky from which they came.
concept: Here comes your most terrifying nightmare in the form of the "Messenger of Death" with its multilayered rows of razor-sharp teeth and biomechanical inlays (for whatever reasons) ready to spread its lethal "spores of eternal sleep" onto every unaware victim.
concept: If you hear a slow,whiny howl in some desert area,you're likely to have stumbled upon a Messenger of Death.He is a scavenger known to travel all the land in search of fallen prey.When he finds it and rests to eat,the wind will blow through the little holes in the spikes on his back,which causes the ghostly howl you'll hear.Some assume these little holes help him cooling the air he breathes in,in those hot desert areas he favours. During travel,he will have them shut so as not to waste energy.
concept: THE MESSENGER OF DEATH is often mistaken for a beautiful parrot but this harbinger of death was brought into existence by the egyption God Ra. He is the end of all those it meets.
concept: The Storm Albatross is known as the Messenger of Death by the fishermen of the Oval Sea, who know that the bird's appearance in the skies means that the deadly storm season is not far off.
concept: The Deathworm is an usher to death. It sprays you with a stench, to mark you. Then the hellhound comes after your soul to bring you straight to hell. The Deathworm feeds on the last breaths of each of their victims. Elderly should beware.
concept: The Malodourian: messenger of death
The Malodourian. Say it with me: Male-odor-e-n. Good job!
This hallitosis hellion hunts rock-burrowing grubs, deep within the cavernous labyrinths of Sillolith. The grubs, drawn to the transient bad breath expelled by the Malodourian, come out of their lairs as if hypnotized, ready to be devoured. This creature's pungent odor is essentially a "messenger of death" which, to the grubs, is always welcome.
A side note: The hungrier and more stressed the Malodourian is, the more foul rotten egg smell the breath is.
Next week, we'll discuss the Malodourian's "morning breath" for mating.
concept: Seelensammler - the soul collector
The Soul Collector has a ghostly body that can pass through all kind of matter with ease. Its permanent companions are timepieces and dozens of crows or vultures. Its many (partly visible) brains imbedded in its extremity-less body know everything about everybodies lifes and deaths; he eats the souls of the deads and carries them for a while on its tail.
concept: When someone wants to die and his time did'nt come yet, the Messenger of Death appears. It can not kill until it's master allows, but it plays with the deathwilling pearson in the way he will remember for eternity and certainly won't be calling Death again while standing far from the end of the line.
concept: A Pony Express mailman and his horse were killed by Indians who he wronged. The Devil merged them and tasked them with bartering with souls in Purgatory. Basically, in enchange for sending one message to someone who is still living, they must agree to move to Hell.
concept: Death is a powerful entity, but he is not omniscient. In order carry out his duty he requires the help of a great many creatures. None more so than the Nuntiusqes, The Messenger's of Death. This Creature, brought forth from the nether world by his majesty, is capable of moving in and out our space with great ease, in order to watch the mortal souls. When a soul is ready to pass, it returns to its master, taking word that a soul is ripe for collection. Death then takes heed and comes to welcome the soul into the next world.
concept: The death messenger - this little parasite crawls into your ear and feeds off of the waves emanating from your brain. However, it is much more dangerous than your average brainleech, for it literally devours the brain in its quest for thoughts. It saves the worst thoughts for last, and your final thoughts will be of death as it devours the remainder of your gray matter.
concept: Swimming through the ethereal sea like a demonic angler fish a Messenger of Death searches for the unmistakable psychic patterns that surround the death of a sentient creature.
When it detects such an event the MoD extends a ecto-luminescent tentacle into the quasi phased space inhabited by the soul of the recently departed.
If the spirit of the deceased makes the mistake of "going into the light" it is drawn into the ethereal and devoured.
concept: These Messengers are burdened with the duty of collecting the souls of the dying for safe transport to their next destination. They manifest themselves only during the few moments before death, and even then only unto the dying individual. They gently gather the soul with their long, tendril-like appendages and place them inside their body for safekeeping. As the body fills, the gelatinous sac inside expands until it can hold no more - at which point it's time for the Messenger to make its dropoff.
concept: Aptly named the Mesenger of Death, this creature has never left an eye-witness alive. Every single documented description of the beast has been similar, as well as the fortune of the authors. Seeing this creature is a sure sign of death, occurring no more than 2 days after a sighting.
concept: When your time as come, the Messenger of death arrives, he is like your normal Fedex guys... but in less mmmh normal. With all the people dying today, The Other World gotta have good archives, so sign the form to confirm your death. Sign it, cause he will make you sign it if you don't want. When you see that guy, it's already too late.
ps. yeah i know.. they should upgrade to a network database... but there's not enough death programmer you know... so they still use paper for now..in a couple of decade your just gonna e-mail your form.. but oh well.
concept: Joratt Bible
Tome 13, Section 7
"...And then The Gods realized how weak people are, how easy the Evil affects people makeing them weak and faithless. So there came the Messengers of Death to the Earth to cure humanity of plague. Those, who never feel fear, who never can be stoped, made to sperate darkness from light..."
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Messenger of Death is a bird-like creature that possess souls of weaked people. Every murderer and psycho is awake of Messenger Of Death's existence. When the death comes, it shows itself to grab a soul of the damned. Puts possessed spirit into "Pond of Lost", where it stays forever. There is no way back to Earth, like another incarnation... Mark below an eye is considered to be the only sign of regret that can be made - sad joke of Gods.
concept: Falleser
A beast from the underworld, the Falleser's sole purpose is to notify great warriors of good that they have been marked for death by the dark lord. When Falleser reaches its objective a coffin in bright red shines on its chest. This is a symbol that can easily be understood by the victims.
concept: Messenger of death is a small flying creature from the chaos, it is used by the demons to mark the coming death of their prey. This creature weaves trails of thin red silk to guide the demons.
concept: Simply known as 'the Messengers', these creatures are something of a visible form of prophecy. They shadow people who are soon to die, ready to escort them to the underworld. How closely a Messenger follows indicates how soon you will die, from any number of causes. This, naturally, causes some trouble, as there are some who cause their own death simply because they panic at the sight of one and trip up trying to escape it. Because of this, Messengers make attempts to hide from their quarrys until their time is upon them, but admittedly they don't usually do a very good job of it, being so big (behind trash cans, in the grass, etc.? doesn't work). It's widely debated on whether the odd things can be truly avoided, but normally, people who catch a glimse (or more, 99% of the time) have just learned to get on with what life they have left, depressing as it is.
concept: Death is a lazy muther fucker... she is also an insecure muther fucker. She doesn't get off her throne for any reason but to plow through royalty, so she carries her voice through her desciples.
Of course, they only know service of the dark.
They do not hate for their hearts have long been corroded by the tears of their unwilling tasks...*in a whisper* but they can't stop smiling...
concept: Hathlua té Quirnn, the Messenger of Death who's imminent presence is only preceded by it's gut wrenching stench, silently ascends from the sky to pluck hapless victims. Bone and flesh are consumed quickly in a fury of gnashing teeth and snapping gristle, and the soul's essence is secured in one of two small vials which are tethered to the entity by cords of sinew and cartilage. There are but a few moments of utter bewilderment after consumption of the body in which the beast can manipulate the soul to the vials. The mere touch of a bared soul is instant death to the creature and during this brief moment of transition the soul is weak enough to enable the beast to capture it. The Messenger is forever bound to it's nemesis unless it transports and releases them into the eternal confinement of either Heaven or Hades. The beast cares not which soul goes where,... so just hope that it's closest to your desired destination when it comes for you.
concept: These cowardly scavengers rarely reveal themselves to living eyes, preferring to lurk in the shadows until the lure of death and decay draws them from their burrows. Their appearance is a sign that the stink of death can not be far off.
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Hide this ad by registering as a memberNovember 4th, 2005 #2
greentopaz because the mood is very nice,and the red lines make for a nice flow.
on the whole there's an awful lot of "carrying the soul towards heaven/hell" entries. too many into that direction for my taste.
edit:close second place:digisaur. really nice use of colours and great concept.
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November 4th, 2005 #3
My vote is for GreenTopaz, because this is well done concept and technically realized in wonderful form and colour!
November 4th, 2005 #4
This 2 entries are also taking part!!!!!!!! Their images didn't show as i set up the poll, so that's why i had to add them later on...sorry...
concept: The Bloodmoth spends most of it lifecycle in subterranean tunnels made in high-altitude volcanic mountains. During this time they resemble large beetles with a tough shell and spiky forelimbs for protection and tunneling in the rocky soil. As magma reservoirs builds up inside the mountain, the rise in temperature triggers the mating cycle of the moth. They push their way to the surface and begin inflating their large, blood-red wings. Many of these bright red moths find their way to villages around the base of the volcano. The villagers fear the moth as a sign of the impending volcanic eruption. The size and time of eruption can be determined by the amount of Bloodmoth found in surrounding villages. They know this moth as the Messenger of Death.
concept: Deep within Uranus, a monstrous saurian haunts the chasms and cliffs of this steaming world. First discovered (but unreported) by a team of British scientists who heard a loud whistle. Being lightyears away from home and succumbing to feelings of nostalgia they interpreted this whistle as a clear sign of 'Tea Time' and quickly dispatched to where ever the sound came from. Surely the civilised people from Uranus would welcome them to their party. Little did they know that the whistling was actually the mating sound of a Humpasaurus in heat. Naturally the British team was never heard of again, not until their bodies were found atleast. A slightly bruised digicam was found at the site containing footage of a horrible beast later nicknamed (to honor the fallen) 'the messenger of death'.
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November 4th, 2005 #5
OK - before voting/posting read this!!!
1. Please give c&c or a reason why you voted for the image!
2. Feel free to comment on any or all entries, the artists will appreciate it!
not accepted entries:
not only that the creature itself looks somehow put together with things (cables, fabric), rather than organic shapes...also the sandglass and the documents push it out of the acceptable area...
close to rejection:
Actually i would have rejected your piece, because it looks like a ghost/character thingie...but as it's your first entry and we wasted enough blood this round you made it...
Man, you're moving on the edge again...the fact that your creature has a human body in it doesnt bother me, since centaurs also are definetley creatures in my eyes...the description leans to a character, but your artwork is beautifully painted so i couldnt reject it...but don't be surprised for the next ones when it hits you
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November 4th, 2005 #6
November 4th, 2005 #7
I voted for Green Topaz because I felt that his design was exceptionally unique and I love the Barlowe-esque feel to it. I don't have much crit for you on it man, except that you said "here's my lame entry", when it is clearly awesome. Stop that...I hate it when awesome artists insecurely put down their own work. Hell even if you were an awful artist you shouldn't put down you work. Excellent job, man.
Sorry I don't have time for full on crit of everyone this time.....others that were in my top running were: Rasdasa, JaKKas, Mysterian, and gorillagrin.
Great work to everyone!
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Aye aye fozzy, I'll make bloody damn sure it's a creature next time.
Green Topaz for me too, I really like the body work and the emerging from the dark.
November 5th, 2005 #9
Greentopaz is the leader for me - fantastic creation in a little 'Japan Myths' design I love it truly, it's so dark and you can almost smell this 'Creepy atmosphere' around this beast. Secondly for me is Jakkas - It's beatuful Pic, but not much original. Greetingz for all.-- Be not afraid of growing slowly, be afraid only of standing still. --
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November 5th, 2005 #10
Hey Saise, thanks for sticking around the COW despite that your entry wasn't accepted. Good attitude and good luck next week! Saw the critters in your sketchbook, so I'm sure you'll do well.
Not sure who I'm voting for yet. I really didn't like GreenTopaz's at first, but the love fest here has prompted me to take another look at it, and its charm is definitely growing on me. Probably won't get my vote, but a nice fresh entry nontheless. When I first saw Radasa's, I was pretty sure it wasn't going to make the cut to voting..but now that it's in here, I might just have to vote for it! I love the style and energy of it...I'm very curious to see how you work. Jakkas's is also a beautiful painting, though the design is not that imaginative...Likewise, I like Simonl's concept, but the design could've been stretched further. I nearly forgot about Scumgrinder because it seems like he posted that entry ages ago, but it's an inventive concept and top notch rendering as usual. One day soon the COW crown will be his...but maybe not this week. Honorable mention goes to Oregano, who is with us in spirit and damning the man for the rest of us.
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shit, this is another vote i have to sit and think about.solo de errores se aprende
y hoy se que es tuyo mi corazon
mejor te guardas todo eso
November 5th, 2005 #12
I made my vote for Partialartist. I am a horse rider myself and the image of a horse and rider being fused in death like that was just a real flesh crawler. The dead face with the arrows was an extra creepy touch.
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well, nice entry everyones i'm gonna continue doing this it's great and motivating.
Thanks fozzybar, i'm getting more in the creature thing reading more of the threads, i'll make sure it's alive next time.
good job all.
November 5th, 2005 #14
My vote went to Bumskee but this wasn't an easy choice. I'll explain more when I return from a seminar this evening. Good job to all!
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November 5th, 2005 #15
Yo Fozz, where's ma entry? Was it not accepted or did you just miss it by chance? I know it doesn't really stand a chance amongst these but I thought I'd ask.
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Free mmorpg? yes
Subscriber mmorpg? no
Throw out all games from your list without an estimated release date or publishing contract for China.
You got your answer.
Wow really? You are totally not a whiteknight and totally criticize Blizzard all the time and totally endorse criticism but only the real rational and constructive one. Never heard this line before from someone trying to derail and disturb any discussions and idea implying WoW and Blizzard is not perfect and every error is anyones but Blizzards fault and deny and belittle anything critical for no reason.
EverQuest Next looks promising but not polished enough, the double jump and sidejump thingies look tacky and the cartoony look doesn't look "new" enough to provide a threat imo. The Elder Scrolls Online looks freaking ridiculous, omg there's crates everywhere you guys, and you can open them. Considering how GW2, SWTOR, Rift, Tera and all the others didn't come close to the enjoyment that WOW still gives, I think they have nothing to worry about if they release new character models and keep tweaking the systems they have now and keep trying new stuff.
Not in a long time, not because there wont be a better one but rather because people like the familiar and comfortable so they will stay in wow where they know how things work and they have friends here
Player/subscriber numbers are a poor way of measuring how successful a game is compared to other games. There's free2play MMO's with close to 20 million players that are popular in Korea/China. I suppose looking at revenue/income/value is a better measurement.
You could still use sub numbers to measure how popular a game has been over the years, of course.
Of course, nothing lasts forever.
Wildstar will probably drag away the older playerbase - and a heavy amount of PvPers. It's more like Classic WoW with a few fancy new toys then any of the others.
You asked your question in a wrong way. Eventually - of course, someone has to finally create one better MMORPG than WoW, maybe someone will even create an MMO that connects oculus rift and emotiv insight (Sword Art online anyone?) which would be quite awesome in my opinion, but I think it's about 10 years far.
But, for now EVERY gaming company that started creating their MMO with a thought "We will be better than WoW!" - failed miserably.
And in my opinion, only WildStar stands any chance from your list - it won't probably destroy WoW, but many veterans will play WildStar instead.
And, we might be surprised by the BlizzCon 2013. Blizzard knows very well that if they fail again as they did with Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria, WoW will most likely die much sooner than they have expected.
If they upgrade the models(It's a big change, no matter how stupid that sounds) a lot of new and old players will come back.
If they finally fix the balance once again, old players will also come back.
Which might result again in stable 10-12 subscribers. Many of my friends that have played WoW have 'nostalgia' times. WE would love to return, but it's the expansions that pushes us away most of the time. If this one succeeds, it will be very hard to take WoW's place.
The mainstream, casual WoW gamer who isn't familiar with any other MMOs and who got into the whole MMO gaming concept by playing WoW in the first place will not play this game for a long amount of time. Sure, a lot of people will check it out when it launches, but I don't think that a lot of those will stay. Which, if the developers are aware of, isn't necessarily a bad thing, you don't have to take down WoW as an MMO producer, as long as you cater to your clientel it's fine, which I think ESO will do perfectly.
Only Elder Scrolls has a Chance, and it is a different market so I think it can be equal to WOW and have no effect.
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I think Elder Scrolls has at least 2 million hard core fans who play nothing but Solo RPGs, they will make up the vast bulk of subs. However people who like fast furious open world PVP will be highly into that game as well. But that group possibly isn't as big. I see Elder Scrolls having a 4-5 Million first Month with a 25% drop off and it will hold steady around 3-4 million.
I thought it wasn't allowed to compare games in a kind of deathmatch versus each other. Isn't everybody walking with the same rights? Oh here you go im a let you keep 10 pages of a thread comparing 10 games with WoW not 7 not 8 not 9 but im talking about 10 fully titled franchises.
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Saturday, June 11, 2016
Newmanstown, Pa. - There's no such thing as a "Championship Hangover" for Honeybrook's Shane Lewis.
In fact, it's quite the opposite; the Penn State Engineering student seems to be gaining even more momentum since he clinched the 2012 PA 600 Speedweek title just over one week ago.
Lewis has two victories and a third place finish since he earned that Speedweek crown, with his latest triumph coming in the 25-lap feature for the 600cc Micro-Sprints at Lanco's Clyde Martin Memorial Speedway on Saturday night.
Point leader Mike Rutherford continued in his role as the driver to beat in the 270cc Class by capturing his sixth win of the season.
Joining Lewis and Rutherford in the Lanco winner's circle on Saturday were Shane Braxton (125cc), Kerry Lengle (Sportsman), and Ryan Morris (270cc Four-Stroke).
Mark Yoder led the early stages of the 600cc main event, with A.J. Michael on his back bumper, looking for an opportunity to get by the Ephrata driver in the No. 75.
Michael's opening occurred on a restart with nine laps complete, as Yoder stumbled a bit getting through turn four. The Hollinger's Sports 'N Turf No. 45 driven by Michael shot to the bottom and flashed by Yoder to grab the top spot.
While the racing was hot and heavy up front, tenth-starting Lewis and Rutherford, who started beside him in row five, were navigating their way through the pack. Lewis traded slide jobs with Danny Wykes before claiming the third position. The Honeybrook Hustler then passed Yoder for the runner-up slot on the twelfth trip around the ultra-tacky clay oval.
After months of struggling to get his car hooked up, Michael and his No. 45 brought their A-game on Saturday, as A.J. maintained an advantage of a few car lengths over Lewis and Rutherford, who raced into third with eleven circuits remaining.
A slight bobble in the corner by the race leader allowed Lewis to close in and execute a slider in turn two with four to go. The move worked perfectly, and Lewis went on to win his third feature of the season at Clyde Martin Memorial Speedway.
"We tried a brand new setup on the car tonight, and it worked," said Lewis with a relieved grin. "A.J. was really good, though, and I don't know if I would have gotten him if he hadn't slipped over there in the corner. It was hard racing, but it was fun coming through traffic with Mike (Rutherford) like that."
Michael held on for second, with Rutherford, Yoder, and Heath Hehnly making up the top five.
With 24 of the winged 600cc warriors signed in for competition, heat races went to Wykes, Yoder, and Hehnly.
Jason Swavely ducked under Zach Fouse to take the lead of the 270cc main as the duo charged off turn four to complete the third revolution around the high banked oval.
Rutherford, from Lititz, started eighth and was up to third by the halfway mark of the 25-lapper. On a restart with fourteen tours in the books, Rutherford darted past Ryan Morris for second, then took advantage of another caution period with ten to go to make a run at Swavely for the race lead.
The pair engaged in a terrific duel for the top spot, trading slide jobs at both ends of the speedway for five laps until Rutherford gained command for good on lap 21.
Two late race yellows did not alter the outcome, mostly due to the fact that Swavely's engine was laying down on him in the latter portion of the event.
"My motor was breaking up badly; it was spitting and sputtering on those restarts," explained Swavely afterward. "I just couldn't stay with him at the end."
"I could hear his motor breaking up and that's too bad," noted Rutherford. "We had a great race going there. Ken (Kaylor, who owns Rutherford's 270cc ride along with his son, Tony) isn't feeling well, so he got here late tonight. Hopefully this (winning) will make him feel better."
Swavely's mount hung in there long enough to permit a second-place finish, with Jesse Maurer taking the checkered in third. Ryan Morris wound up fourth with Richie Hartman earning fifth-place money.
Mike Miller, Hartman, and Billy Logeman won heat races for the 29 car field of 270cc Micros. Toby Blumenshine was the consolation winner.
Shane Braxton rocketed from eighth on the starting grid to run second in the first five circuits of the 125cc main event.
Bradley Brown set the pace from his pole position during the early stages of the 25-lap affair, but Brown washed up the banking in turn two, barely keeping his No. 23 out of the guardrail as he fought to save it. He managed to gather it in and continue, but lost his momentum and watched as Braxton roared past him on the backstretch on the eighth trip around the clay.
Braxton, from West Grove, Pa., then checked out but the action behind him was fierce. Brown, Darren Miller, and Jesse Maurer ran three-wide at times as they battled for second, while Brianna Gerhart and Richie Hartman swapped the fifth position on several occasions. Hartman, who had a five race win streak snapped by his teammate, Maurer, on June 23, finally secured the spot as Gerhart fell back to race with Felisha Kirlin for sixth.
Maurer emerged from that three-way battle to nail down the runner-up spot with just a couple of laps left to run, but Braxton was long gone by that time.
Braxton crossed the stripe with a margin of more than three seconds over Maurer. Darren Miller, who passed his test and got his driver's license earlier in the day, survived a guardrail-climbing, bicycling incident on the frontstretch to finish third, with Brown and Hartman rounding out the top five.
Heat race victories for the 18 cars went to Brown and Dave Grube.
Back on June 23rd, it looked as though Kerry Lengle had a Sportsman feature win in the bag, as he enjoyed a big lead with just a few laps to go. Unfortunately, the Myerstown driver hooked one of the infield tire markers and spun, handing the victory to Jason Swavely.
On Saturday, redemption was his, as Lengle was out front for every one of the 25-laps to win his first Sportsman headliner. "I was thinking about that race a few weeks ago as I was leading tonight," he admitted in victory lane. "I was just telling myself, 'don't goof up,' and it worked out in our favor tonight."
Lengle had to fend off some tough customers, too, in his triumphant run. Bret Habecker dashed into the runner-up spot before the fourth lap could be scored, then Jason Swavely slipped under Habecker to steal second as lap ten was displayed on the scoreboard.
But Swavely's car broke on the following tour, putting Habecker back into second place. Ken Miller, who started eleventh, sliced his way into third by lap thirteen. He gassed his No. 7P past Habecker on a restart at the halfway point and tried, in vain, to run down race leader Lengle.
Lengle's No. 81 was on a rail, though, and he won by 1.37-seconds over Miller, whose runner-up effort enabled him to hold on to the point lead over the third place finisher, Habecker. Mark Ludwig and Sheena Logeman completed the top five.
K. Miller and Wesley Fasnacht won the two heat races for the 17 Sportsman in attendance.
The 270cc Four-Stroke Micros ran the first feature of the night, and only one yellow flag slowed the pace of their 25-lapper.
That lone caution period occurred with one lap complete and it knocked out two-time feature winner Craig DeSantis.
Kory Shissler jumped into the lead from his outside front row starting spot as Honeybrook's Ryan Morris blasted from eighth to second in the opening laps.
Morris swept past Shissler to take command on lap eleven and, with no yellows to slow his pace, set sail and built a huge lead over his pursuers.
Five-time feature winner Chip Geib moved into second with ten circuits remaining, but the caution flag he needed (in order to have a shot at Morris) never appeared.
Morris cruised to his second triumph of the season over C. Geib, with Shissler recording his best Clyde Martin finish with a third place effort. Eddie Nocera wound up fourth with Lewis Kepple, Jr. finishing fifth.
Four-Stroke heat races were claimed by Donna Geib and Chip Geib, as an even dozen entries took the green on Saturday.
Notes from the Clyde...
Impressive feature runs turned in by three of the divisions on Saturday, led by the Four-Stroke drivers, who completed their 25-lapper in just 7 minutes, 17 seconds.
Kerry Lengle won the Sportsman feature in just 10:04, and Shane Braxton ran the 125cc main in 11:06.
This Saturday night, July 21, is Mongoose Chassis Night at the speedway. Qualifying heats, consolations, and 25-lap features are on the agenda for the 600cc, 270cc, 125cc, Sportsman, and 270cc Four-Stroke Micro-Sprints.
Gates open at 3:30, with warm-ups at 5 p.m. The first heat race goes green at 6:00.
Coming up on July 28 is the prestigious Clyde Martin Memorial Race, a double-point, higher payout extravaganza for Lanco club members who have entered at least half of this year's point-paying events.
The tradition of handing down the winner's trophy in each class will continue as the longest features of the Clyde Martin season, 35 laps, are contested in all five of the weekly divisions.
Come on out and LIVE the excitement that is Lanco!
600cc Micro-Sprint Feature, 25 laps: 1.Shane Lewis, 2.A.J. Michael, 3.Mike Rutherford, 4.Mark Yoder, 5.Heath Hehnly, 6.Danny Wykes, 7.Shaun Brandel, 8.Bruce Ginther Jr., 9.Travis Esh, 10.Jeff Halligan, 11.Brent Ely, 12.Jered Hook, 13.Jeff Stelter, 14.Peter Michael, 15.Jessica Mohler, 16.Tom Kohler, 17.Jared Esh, 18.Kory Merkey, 19.Brittany Brown, 20.Tyler Esh, 21.Chris Gerhart, 22.Mike Dicely, 23.Chris Tracy. DNS: David Beiler.
270cc Micro-Sprint Feature, 25 laps: 1.Mike Rutherford, 2.Jason Swavely, 3.Jesse Maurer, 4.Ryan Morris, 5.Richie Hartman, 6.Dave Grube, 7.Billy Logeman, 8.Christi Sweigart, 9.Brian Marriott, 10.Steve Drevicki, 11.Chip Geib, 12.Brian Sholley, 13.Toby Blumenshine, 14.Charles Hellinger, 15.Dan Lane Jr., 16.Ricky Sechrist Jr., 17.Heath Hehnly, 18.Mike Uhrich, 19.Justin Harrington, 20.Scott Renninger, 21.Kyle Newkirk, 22.Mike Miller, 23.Nate Weidman, 24.Zack Fouse.
125cc Micro-Sprint Feature, 25 laps: 1.Shane Braxton, 2.Jesse Maurer, 3.Darren Miller, 4.Bradley Brown, 5.Richie Hartman, 6.Felisha Kirlin, 7.Brianna Gerhart, 8.Scott Gantert, 9.Kyle Hehnly, 10.Zack Hollinger, 11.Walt Wampole, 12.Brie Weiler, 13.Nick Sweigert, 14.Danny Braun Jr., 15.James Wampole, 16.Dave Grube, 17.Kory Merkey, 18.Ken Miller.
Sportsman Micro-Sprint Feature, 25 laps: 1.Kerry Lengle, 2.Ken Miller, 3.Bret Habecker, 4.Mark Ludwig, 5.Sheena Logeman, 6.Wesley Fasnacht, 7.Dean Spangler Jr., 8.Robert Shanaman, 9.Tim Ziegler, 10.Jenna Heagy, 11.Jordan Stites, 12.Jason Swavely, 13.Curtis R. Miller, 14.Matt Abers, 15.Brian Becker, 16.Dennis Fenstermacher, 17.Dave Schroeder.
270cc Four-Stroke Feature, 25 laps: 1.Ryan Morris, 2.Chip Geib, 3.Kory Shissler, 4.Eddie Nocera, 5.Lewis Kepple Jr., 6.Steve Smith Sr., 7.Donna Geib, 8.Kim Enck, 9.Kenny Miller III, 10.Earl Eveland, 11.Ronnie Good, 12.Craig DeSantis.
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May 31, 2016
Authorities have taken an Alabama man into custody on charges of cattle theft.
Sheriff Tyrone Clark says Marvin Cody Brown is charged with felony cattle theft for stealing 15 head of cattle from Perry County and then trying to sell them at a stockyard in Sumter County.
Clark says his department is continuing to investigate and there are several other active cattle theft cases.
"We checked our local stockyard every Wednesday when they would open for sales," said Clark. "And Investigator Davis was there at the sale on that particular Wednesday when Mr. Brown came in to sell cows."
Brown's bond was set at $20,000.
If you have any information regarding other cattle thefts you are urged to contact the Sumter County Sheriff's Department at 205-652-7984.
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ST. LOUIS (KSDK) - The first pitch of the Cardinals home opener will not be thrown out until 3:15 p.m. Monday, but the team has organized a full day for fans who want to come downtown early.
11:00 a.m. - 2 p.m. Cardinals Official Opening Day Pre-Game Pep Rally, sponsored by Hardee's: The Cardinals and Hardee's will host a pre-game pep rally in front of the Cardinals Team Store, located at the corner of Clark Street and 8th Street. Local rock band Trixie Delight will perform from 11:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.
Fredbird and Team Fredbird will be on hand to give away Opening Day tickets, autographed items and other Cardinals prizes. Fans can stop by the free Hardee's Photo Booth to get their Opening Day photo taken from 11:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m., Fans can also purchase a Hardee's Combo Meal after regular breakfast hours from the Mobile Diner or Hardee's restaurant on Chestnut and receive a free Cardinals t-shirt while supplies last.
1:15 p .m. Gates Open
Budweiser Magnet Schedule Day: All ticketed-fans, ages 21 and over, will receive a magnet with the 2013 Cardinals schedule, compliments of Budweiser Beer.
Budweiser Magnet Schedule Day: All ticketed-fans, ages 21 and over, will receive a magnet with the 2013 Cardinals schedule, compliments of Budweiser Beer.
2:30 p.m. Pre-game ceremony
Pre-game ceremonies begin with an appearance by the famed Budweiser Clydesdales.
Pre-game ceremonies begin with an appearance by the famed Budweiser Clydesdales.
Introduction of Missouri Governor Jay Nixon, St. Louis County Executive Charlie A. Dooley, and St. Louis Mayor Francis G. Slay
Introduction of Fredbird and Team Fredbird
Cardinals Hall-of-Famers will be introduced via a Ford Motorcade, led around the warning track by the 2013 Ford Fusion. Each Cardinals Hall of Famer will be riding in a 2014 Ford Mustang Convertible.
Tribute to Stan Musial: Stan and Lillian Musial's four children, Dick Musial, Gerry Ashley, Janet Schwarze, and Jean Edmonds will unveil a memorial marker in left center field.
Introduction of the 2013 St. Louis Cardinals via Ford Motorcade. The players will ride in 2013 Ford F-150 Raptors.
Introduction of the Cincinnati Reds and the starting lineups
American Bald Eagle introduced, courtesy of the World Bird Sanctuary of St. Louis
Color Guard and American Flag in Center Field, courtesy of Scott Air Force Base
The National Anthem will be performed by six members of the Gateway Harmonica Club of St. Louis. Stan Musial was an honorary member of the club.
A moment of silence for the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, as well as a moment of silence for baseball great and St. Louis native Earl Weaver, former Cardinals Outfielder Chuck Diering, longtime organist Ernie Hayes, longtime Redbird Roost attendant Fanny Scholl, and the greatest Cardinal, Hall of Famer Stan Musial.
Ceremonial First Pitch by former Cardinal closer Jason Isringhausen and former Cardinal center fielder Jim Edmonds.
3:15 p.m. Game Time