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KIRKLAND, Wash. -- Seattle defensive end Lamar King, a former first-round draft pick who hasn't played in almost a year, was activated by the Seahawks on Friday.
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Who's doing the listening in your tests, JRusskie? Do you know any 18 year old musicians? Oh, of course not...But you probably keep company with a bunch of construction guys (lucky you!) with damaged hearing. They should all find that there's no difference between any products.
The 2011 Richard C. Heyser Memorial Lecture: "Where Did the Negative Frequencies Go?" Case Study 1: Recording
Back in 1987, the AES published the anthology pictured above of historic papers on "Stereo." It includes a document (celebrating its 80th anniversary this year) that pretty much defined the whole field of stereo reproduction, including the 45°/45° stereo groove and the moving-magnet stereo cartridge. That document, a 1931 British Patent Application written by the English engineer Alan Dower Blumlein, is worth quoting at length:
"The fundamental object of the invention is to provide a sound recording, reproducing and/or transmission system whereby there is conveyed to the listener a realistic impression that the intelligence is being communicated to him over two acoustic paths in the same manner as he experiences in listening to everyday acoustic intercourse and this object embraces also the idea of conveying to the listener a true directional impression. . . . An observer in the room is listening with two ears, so that echoes reach him with the directional significance which he associates with the music performed in such a room. . . . When the music is reproduced through a single channel the echoes arrive from the same direction as the direct sound so that confusion results. It is a subsidiary object of this invention so to give directional significance to the sounds that when reproduced the echoes are perceived as such."
In other words, if you can record not only a sound but the direction in space it comes from, and can do so for every sound wave making up the soundstage, including all the reflected sound waves (the reverberation or "echoes"), then you will be able to reproduce a facsimile of the original soundstage, accurate in every detail. In addition, because the spatial relationship between the direct and the reflected sounds will be preserved, that reproduced soundstage will give a realistic illusion of depth.
Incidentally, I mentioned earlier Hermann Bondi, one of Hoyle's collaborators on the Static Universe Hypothesis. Like Blumlein, Bondi had worked on the British development of radar in World War II. When I worked in the research lab developing LEDs, in a corner office was a charming elderly gentleman, Dr. Henry Boot. Only years later did I learn that Henry was one of the people who invented the cavity magnetron, which was fundamental to the British development of radar. I suppose you could therefore say that there are just two degrees of separation between me and Alan Dower Blumlein.
The Blumlein Patent Application mentions that, when recording for playback over headphones, the simplest way of carrying out the preservation of the soundstage is to use two microphones spaced as far apart as the average pair of human ears: the "binaural" technique. This, however, makes headphone listening mandatory; until recently, headphones have been about as popular as a head cold for relaxed, social listening. Blumlein was concerned with a system for playback over loudspeakers, and proposed a method of recording directional information as a ratio of amplitude differences between the two signal channels.
The ear/brain, of course, uses more than amplitude information to determine the direction of sound sources. It uses the amplitude difference between the signals reaching the two ears above about 2kHz, but below about 700Hz, it determines direction by looking at the phase difference between the signals; ie, it uses time-of-arrival information. (Both frequencies are proportional to the head size, so there will be a spread among individuals.)
Things get a bit ambiguous between those two frequencies, but there are two other mechanisms also at work: first, the frequency-response modifications due to the shape of the pinnae differ according to the direction of the perceived sound; and second, the head is in continual lateral motion, sharpening up all the mechanisms by introducing second-order (rate-of-change) information. The result is that human beingsand animalsare very good at determining where sounds come from (unless they happen to consist of pure tones in the "forbidden" region between 700 and 2000Hz, which is why birds, for example, use such tones as warning signals).
Blumlein's genius lay in the fact that he realized that the low-frequency phase information can be replaced by corresponding amplitude information. If you have two independent information channels, each feeding its own loudspeaker, then the ratio of the signal amplitudes between those two loudspeakers will define the position of a virtual sound source for a centrally placed listener equidistant from them. For any ratio of the sound levels of the two speakers, this virtual source occupies a dimensionless point somewhere on the line joining their acoustic centers. The continuum of these points, from that represented by maximum-left/zero-right to that represented by zero-left/maximum-right, makes up the conventional stereo image. If there is no reverberant information, then the brain will place the virtual image of the sound source in the plane of the speakers; if there is reverberation recorded with the correct spatial relationship to the corresponding direct soundthat is, if it is "coherent"then the brain places the virtual image behind the speakers, the exact distance depending on the ratio of recorded direct sound to recorded reverberant sound.
Thus, by recording and playing back just the amplitude information in a two-channel system, we can create a virtual soundstage between and behind the loudspeakers (footnote 6). And if, instead of capturing an original event, we record many individual sounds in mono and assign each one a lateral position in the stereo image with a panpot (along with any added reverberation or echo), when we mix down to stereo, again we have a true amplitude-stereo recording. It is fair to say that 99.99% of all recordings are made in this way. It is so fundamental to how recordings are now made that I doubt if anyone thinks about the fact that it is based on psychoacoustic sleight of hand: the substitution of amplitude ratios for time-of-arrival differences in the midrange and bass.
For many years, I was a hard-line Blumlein purist when it came to classical recording. I was attracted by the theoretical elegance of the M-S techniquea sideways-facing microphone with a cosine or figure-8 pickup pattern is spatially coincident with a forward-facing mike; sum-and-differencing the mike outputs gives you true amplitude stereoand of two figure-8 microphones horizontally coincident at 90°, each positioned at 45° to the forward direction. Of all the "simple" techniques used to capture live acoustic music, these two, in all their ramifications, are the only ones to produce real stereo imaging from loudspeakers.
I used to dismiss with a snort recordings made with spaced microphones. After all, if the microphones are separated in space by a distance larger than the wavelength of most of the musical sounds10', sayunless an instrument or voice is exactly halfway between the two microphones, there will be, in addition to the amplitude information, a time delay introduced between the electrical signal that voice or instrument produces in one channel and the signal it produces in the other. Such time information pulls the image of the source farther toward the nearest speaker, resulting in an instability of central imaging and a tendency for sources to "clump" around the speakers. Add to that the fact that the interchannel amplitude differences produced by spaced microphones do not have a linear relationship with the angular directions of the sound sources, and it is hard to see how a pair of spaced microphones can produce any image at all.
Yet . . .
In 1992, we were recording two concerts for Stereophile featuring classical pianist Robert Silverman.
The main pickup was with a single stereo microphone, but I had put up a pair of omnis that I fed to a separate recorder. After the concert, it became apparent that the stereo mike had failed, so I was forced to use the spaced-omni recording for the CD release. Here is a short track from that album, Schubert's Moment Musicaux No.3:
Once again, comrade JRusskie, you are on your Quixotic journey down that twisty, winding path for "truth"... Being an upstanding citizen of the former-USSR, you should know about "truth", right?
DBT is SCIENCE, and SCIENCE is ALWAYS RIGHT, especially during the heyday of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and you've been hanging on to this idea since the dissolution of the USSR. Hanging on to something you really want to be TRUE.
Comrade JRusskie, just because you want it, doesn't make it so.
just wanted to let you know i haven't forgotten about you.
i've been south of the equator spending time with my father and brother, but now that I'm back in the Stereophile office, i'll answer your question in full a little later.
peace out homeslice.
be nice.
Asking Johnny to be nice... Wow, you are very optimistic Ariel!
Ariel, how about doing your job and deleting post and start placing a 30 day BAN on Regadude and ChrisS for spamming this whole article day after day with nothing less than pure drivel and taunts? I've seen kids frums better moderated than this fiasco but it's already turned into a child's forum the way they act. You would think they had some dignity but we haven't seen any yet.
I believe the internet is pretty much open range, so I'm happy to just watch folks speak their minds using whatever manner to express themselves.
one thing that bothers me is when a member is unneccessarily rude to someone who is being respectful or even innocently posting unknowing of the snark they may receive. in those instances, I say something so new users are not discouraged to continue posting.
On the other hand, if you're being provocative with your initial comment, I can only expect others to react to your provocation.
The other policy I encourage and have stated many times is as follows
"don't feed the trolls"
Finally, we do delete comments from ANY member we feel is totally off-topic and insulting to an individual member, as we want the conversation to continue and bring light to the subject at hand rather than turn into a name-calling game. That being said, I'd like to delete Regadude's comment above since it just makes fun of Johnny. Also, I probably shouldn't have typed be nice. i dont know what i was thinking. I think i just wanted a rhyme in there, and also to include a general suggestion of positivity, but deleting RegaDude's comment would delete your reply, and this is a conversation I'd like to keep around.
What did I do? In response to your comment of "be nice" to Johnny, I merely joked that you were asking a lot. A lot, because Johnny is often not nice. He is that way, that is a fact. I have no responsibility for his behavior. I just pointed it out.
Don't shoot the messenger!
What is reliability?
Think, Georgie, think.
the two links provided earlier giving examples of some DBTs.
I found the matrixhifi test to be ignorable: who is the sample? how did they select these people? how are they representative of a population of listeners as a whole? in order to gather significance from these these tests, the first and most important step is determining your sample, sample size, and how you select your sample. this just seems like a bunch of friends having fun. also, since there were multiple components being switched at the same time, system synergies could have been the cause of the weaker sounding more 'hi-fi' system. maybe those components weren't right for each other, but the cheaper system just sounded better. at least in ABX, they only changed one piece at a time
what i found interesting in the ABX test was the user's ability to control the change of system component themselves. this helps eliminate the idea that the listener might feel like they are getting 'duped' or constantly searching/guessing for the difference.
Also regarding the ABX method, the # of times a difference was heard was 33. the # of times no difference was heard: 29. Interestingly, cables were the least discernable.
DBT is time consuming and for signnificant results you need a large sample size (to represent a large population of listeners). With a small sample size, as in both of these tests, you risk a greatly flawed hypothesis and will lack confidence in your results.
I don't want to whip out my textbooks, b/c i have other stuff to do, but 17 listeners is not nearly large enough of a sample size to even represent a population of 70,000 Stereophile readers (for example). Then we run into an even bigger problem of "who" is selected-->ie what type of sample you are trying to represent.
I've heard repeatedly that H/K does have a successful DBT model. I'm sure it takes them years to perform each experiment, and it is wildly expensive and time consuming. You need a large sample size for any of this stuff to matter, not a few dudes in a basement.
More excuses from Stereophile? Why am I not surprised. You scoff and blow off any attempts at doing a DBT by the people I linked to yet when it comes to "reviewing" cables and amps it's suddenly okay to accept a sighted biased review as being true? Laughable sir but then I suppose you being an emploee have to toe the line. So be it.
I give up. Go on and trust your sighted "tests" while ignoring a DBT or even a SBT. I know your boss won't let you do any. He "knows" it all. *eyeroll*
Hey George! Ariel provided you with a more than satisfactory answer. So why are you still complaining? You never heard the expression "agree to disagree"?
Ariel is right; sample size is crucial. Anyone who has a basic knowledge of statistics understands this.
George was talking about simply doing a DBT or SBT among friends like he linked to. Let's say you and 5 pals think the "Humungo" amp blows away every other amp you have listened to. So you set up a simple DBT or even a SBT to see if you can RELIABLY pick which amp is which WITHOUT sighted bias. In other words using your EARS???? I have read on the forums here how much people rely upon "What I heard" yet don't trust a simple test to prove that they can.
So lets say the "Humungo" amp is just simply "liquid, lifts 400 veils and makes the back ground blacker", what ever silly terms you wish to use, If so then you should be able to pick it out 100% of the time doing a DBT. If not and lets say you only choose right 50% of the time then that's proof you were only guessing and couldn't tell which was which. So much for saying sample size is critical. If no one can pick the "Humungo" amp from the other one then where are your rationalisations for saying it's better?
I can tell though that none of you have even bothered to try a SBT or DBT so it's all a waste of time speaking to the peanut gallery. I love how much money you both have WASTED on pricey products that only look good and sound the same. Funny as hell, go on spending YOUR money I love it
JRusskie just beat himself with his own thinking...
Johnny wote:
"I can tell though that none of you have even bothered to try a SBT or DBT so it's all a waste of time speaking to the peanut gallery. I love how much money you both have WASTED on pricey products that only look good and sound the same. Funny as hell, go on spending YOUR money I love it"
How do you know what I've bought with my money? I will go on spending my money (but not on your plywood speakers you make in your basement), that's what it's made for!
.a fool and his money are soon parted.
"...came out to play,
Georgie Porgie ran away!"
Delusions of absolute truths cloaked in "science" aren't much to hide behind, eh Georgie...
I hear our Man of La Mancha, JRusskie, is looking for his Sancho Panza to accompany him on his journey in search for TRUTH.
Happy trails!
Georgie, Look at all those scientists backing you up!
If you take a college level research methodology course, Georgie, you may not appear so laughable. At this point, there appears to be very little knowledge in what you say about reviewing audio products.
Here is how you review audio products........ looks in Stereophile and buys whatever the product of the month is. Spends too much money but doesn't care. Goes online and talks like a 5 year old and spews insults and THINKS he's smart. Case closed.
George, name ONE SINGLE product that I have bought. Just one. You and Johnny have this little fantasy in which you think you know everything and everyone.
How about you list your gear? If you are so good and knowledgeable about buying audio products, do share with us the products that are George Holland worthy. If you actually have any audio gear...
ZzzzzzzzzZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz sorry but conversing with the likes of you is boring and makes my brain hurt considering the amount of BS you spew,
Do you like what you are hearing ? If no, move on until you do. If yes, then shut up and relax. This is a hobby focused on the enjoyment of the creative output of artists. It is not about how many proverbial angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Go listen to MUSIC !
Thanks John for a very interesting and exciting presentation, lots of interesting information here and I'm surprised, to say the least, from the lack of positive feedback.
There are many who are skeptical to some of the ways of doing measurements in Stereophile and in some ways I'm one of them too, especially the way speakers are measured so close, large array speakers like the bigger Dunlavy's and some others will not sum up very nicely in this way. We do, however, not live in a perfect world and Stereophile cannot afford an anechoic chamber, so this is probably the best they can do.
I wish John would share more of this kind of information as he has gathered lots of knowledge during a long interesting career at Stereophile and other places.
Go on John :-)
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John, thanks for getting this lecture pre-print available for us to read. I have been looking forward to this.
I agree that there is a lot fo information combined into one lecture that anyone would need a lot of time to learn and understand the details. Pardon me for paraphrasing some of your words below.
Regarding the null result of DBTs, your description of the interpretation is in agreement with what I remember from statistics classes. I might add that a statistician would include a probability value or confidence band with the interpretation (something to the effect that 'the null hypothesis of no-difference-detctable is accepted with high probability'), and equally for the case when a difference is detected with high probability. I personally think DBTs should be done for product reviews, but agree that valid DBT's are difficult and time consuming (expensive) to do correctly, as Dr. Toole has shown in his writings.
The example of the 'backwards' impulse being not agreeable to listeners is something I have noticed in reference to digital recording. It's a wave form that does not occur naturally in music production, so reproducing it should sound 'bothersome'.
I also agree with the previous post, that more articles like this would be welcomed, to further highlight how complicated this field really is.
I have read your essay with great pleasure (all of it!) and I think it is a great example of the Liberal Arts and Science coming together. In the end, it feels like a piece of applied music philosophy, which I find fascinating. It also seems to be free of busines-oriented interests, as your opinion on cables clearly suggests. It is awesome and very unsual to meet an accomplished person who gives priority to his passions and principles over financial interests (as also expressed on your 2012 writing on the CES and Las Vegas).
I consider myself to be an audiophile that turns off the lights and tries to connect his emotions with the music with a very relaxed mind (this seems to be a category in itself, as the un-relaxed passive listeners who cannot focus on the music on a mid to long term basis tend to be very opinionated). Having said this, I recently purchased a pair of Class D mono amps that can clearly connect me to the music (Hephaestus brand). I have not ever listened to amps which are over 15k. Within similar prices, class D seems to be the better choice (but how relative this can be, Jon!)
I will continue to follow your writings with deep admiration and I thank you for making a difference on my musical experience (which is passed on to my girlfriend and my child).
Clueless you are if you think Mr Atkinson is something special
It's a pity that some proponents of DBT as the only valid methodology have used the comments thread here to launch personal attacks against JA. Personally, I found the lecture fascinating and thought-provoking, and I thought that the nuggets of personal history provided a powerful context for the thoughtful opinions expressed. For better or worse, Stereophile doesn't restrict itself to DBTs as their only reviewing tool, but JA does measure every piece of gear his reviewers review - a practice which ensures that the opinions of the reviewers are grounded in objective data, or otherwise as the case may be. I'm not sure why this approach, coupled with a reliance on an income stream from advertising, seems to place JA in line for so much personal vitriol. If similar attacks were levelled at me in my professional life, I'd be mortified and enraged.
To cut what is risking becoming a lengthy expression of indignation short: thank-you JA for a wise and thought-provoking read.
"For better or worse, Stereophile doesn't restrict itself to DBTs as their only reviewing tool, but JA does measure every piece of gear his reviewers review - a practice which ensures that the opinions of the reviewers are grounded in objective data"
Do you even READ the reviews? Seriously dude. Stereophile DOESN'T do DBTs at ALL! Atkinson has said repeatedly that they are "too difficult to do". Show me ONE single DBT he has done in a review please. Plus he does NOT "measure every piece of gear his reviewers review". Cables, power cords, record demagnitizers, just to name a few. You obviously have been reading another publication NOT Stereophile.
If Stereophile has the principle of not doing DBT and for you doing so is a matter of principle why oh earth would you even care to read Stereophile? Your statement above suggests you have very extensive knowledge of the content of Stereophile's articles. So you keep reading stereophile's reviews knowing they are irremediably flawed?? How perverse is this?
The real question lies on your double blind tested hatred.
Whatever your answer is I will have to assume that your hatred is a broken record and it will just go on.
He probably reads them as I do for the laughs.
......on your error filled post above so why should I comment on your assumptions? If you wish to worship Fearless Leader then by all means bow down and do so. I myself prefer to ask questions and be skeptical about his "methods" and the reason "why" he doesn't test ALL items under review.
It's a pity that some proponents of DBT as the only valid methodology have used the comments thread here to launch personal attacks against JA.
Indeed. I am not sure why I have become a lightning rod for these audio skeptics. Perhaps it is because it is a matter of religious belief on their part - having had extensive experience of blind testing, I rejected it and thus became a heretic in their eyes. Or perhaps it is just our courtesy in allowing them the space on this website to express themselves.
JA does measure every piece of gear his reviewers review - a practice which ensures that the opinions of the reviewers are grounded in objective data, or otherwise as the case may be.
As my reviewers do not see the measurements until after they have written the review, I take my hat off to them.
To cut what is risking becoming a lengthy expression of indignation short: thank-you JA for a wise and thought-provoking read.
You're welcome and my thanks to everyone else who appreciated the preprint. It was an honor to have been invited by the Audio Engineering Society to give this lecture - it's not often that you get the opportunity to look back over a 4-decade career!
A Happy New Year to everyone who surfs this site.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
You ignore the errors and just plow along blissfully gobbling up the unwarranted praise.
"JA does measure every piece of gear his reviewers review"
As I pointed out above, along with other errors on the part of Andreasmaaan,you do NOT test every piece of gear your reviewers review, but then you pretended that you do in your response. Only certain items are tested by you. Please get your own facts straight if that's even possible for you to do so.
Johnny, I wish you a great new year 2013, in which you sell 10 times more of your home made speakers than in 2012.
Since you sold zero of your speakers in 2012, you need to sell 10 X 0=0 speakers in 2013 to meet this objective. Maybe you can hire George Holland as your director of marketing and sales...
Get cracking, you have only got 364 days left to sell your quota...
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Unlike yourself Raghead, I will be DESIGNING and BUILDING my own speakers and learning. You do know that word "learning"? Hmmmm maybe you stopped after age 10. You on the other hand will be on here *yawning* and acting the fool and spending your money on Stereophile reviewed crapola.
So according to you Johnny, everything Stereophile reviews is crapola?! There is not one good piece of equipment that has been reviewed by Stereophile? Hundreds of reviews, not one good product?
But you, in your basement, build quality speakers...
I have challenged you before (as well as George) to name your gear. What kind of gear merits the Johnny seal of approval?
As always, you always ignore my challenge (George chickened out to). It seems you can only complain, but cannot even provide a list of your gear.
I guess ever seeing pictures of your "famous" speakers is also out of the question.
All talk and no action.
So Johnny, where are your speakers pics and specs?
In your imagination.... [flame deleted by JA]
Johnny never offered to show you anything other than his backside which I think is approriate considering the childish actions of yourself.What does it matter what our audio components are? Anything we mention would be ridiculed by yourself no doubt. Sorry but I'm not playing your silly game. Good God grow up and act like a man for once will you?
As I pointed out above . . . you do NOT test every piece of gear your reviewers review, but then you pretended that you do in your response. Only certain items are tested by you. Please get your own facts straight if that's even possible for you to do so.
Out of morbid curiosity, I looked at the past 15 issues of Stereophile - we published 98 full reviews and follow-up reviews. Of those 98 reviews, 83 were accompanied with a full set of measurements, or 84.5%. So even if not every review includes measurements, the vast majority do, which supports Andreasmaaan's point.
I have explained to you before, in other comment threads, why we do not publish measurements of analog playback components, which is due to lack of resources. I have also explained to you why we do not publish measurements of tweaks, which is that it it is difficult to determine exactly what to measure. I don't see any reason to reopen those discussions, but that you continue to be fixated on these two issues and continue to raise them is sad.
And, as I have warned you, JohnnyR, I am continuing to delete comments from you, and others, that are nothing more than flames aimed at other readers.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
"Reviews" means just that, any item reviewed by your staff. If you think "tweaks" don't qualify then they should be labled as "Opinions" not a review. All of those full reviews you speak of were what speakers, amps, preamps, cd transposrts and the like?
Yeah I know why you don't test tweaks, that would involve you using those horrible SBT or DBT. That's a really nice system you have set up. "We don't believe in DBTs or do them or can't afford to do them"......"We don't know what to test on the tweaks"..........add the two up and you get "We don't have to show that tweaks actually do anything other than what our "reviewer" subjectivly alludes to in their sighted biased listening using their golden ears"......EXCUSES Mr Atkinson plain and simple.
Once more I ask you to read and comment about this link:
You seem to think DIY can't do anything right in your previous post in answer to Raghead. Insulting intelligent people that actually build better speakers than the status quo can produce is beyond being pompus in your case.THAT is what's SAD.
Don't you have some real work to be doing instead of being on the forums? I thought that was Ariel's job. Let him earn his pay.
Look up "fixation" and "perseveration" in your dictionary. "Absolute truths" regarding audio products seems to exist only in your basement and in your head.
I looked at the past 15 issues of Stereophile - we published 98 full reviews and follow-up reviews. Of those 98 reviews, 83 were accompanied with a full set of measurements, or 84.5%. So even if not every review includes measurements, the vast majority do, which supports Andreasmaaan's point.
"Reviews" means just that, any item reviewed by your staff. If you think "tweaks" don't qualify then they should be labled as "Opinions" not a review.
I am not sure what you mean. You were objecting to Andreasmaan's statement that Stereophile accompanies its reviews with measurements as not being true. I offered the analysis above to show that he was correct.
Once more I ask you to read and comment about this link:
You need to consult with your fellow traveler GeorgeHolland, who criticized me about linking to other sites :-)
You seem to think DIY can't do anything right in your previous post in answer to [Regadude.] Insulting intelligent people that actually build better speakers than the status quo can produce is beyond being pompus in your case.THAT is what's SAD.
With respect, you are arguing with the voices in your head here. I haven't written anything about DIY speaker designers not being able to do "anything right." What I have said is that a DIY designer, like yourself, doesn't subject his loudpeakers to the scrutiny of a disinterested marketplace, something professional designers do as a matter of course. So the question whether or not DIY designs are superior to commercial designs isn't put under independent scrutiny. It remains unsupported conjecture, as far as I am concerned.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Mr Atkinson, you could compare DIY against manufactured speakers but of course you won't. Might upset those that can't make good speakers and I'm not talking about the DIY
Johnny plainly stated that "tweaks" are reviewed in your magazine and online yet they aren't tested, hence you don't test every component under review. You have a reading comprehension problem? How many components reviewed by Jason Serinus have been tested? uh huh, right.
So now you wuss out about commenting on links? That proves you had nothing to say in the first place about it so you shouldn't have opened your mouth.Cop out time for Mr Atkinson.
The only unsupported conjecture on here are your abilities to print honest reviews. Your ability to avoid testing alot of audio components is well known by now. Very impressive spinning you do on here.
Mr Atkinson, you could compare DIY against manufactured speakers but of course you won't. Might upset those that can't make good speakers and I'm not talking about the DIY
Back in the early 1990s, Stereophile's Corey Greenberg was one of the judges for a DIY loudpeaker competition in San Francisco. There were 2 winning designs and as part of the prize, those 2 speakers were subject to a full set of measurements in Stereophile, published in the March 1992 issue. The speakers' measured performance was good but not great and certainly didn't embarass professional designers.
Johnny plainly stated that "tweaks" are reviewed in your magazine and online yet they aren't tested, hence you don't test every component under review. You have a reading comprehension problem?
I don't believe so. JohnnyR was wrong, in that we very rarely publish full reviews of tweak products. Of the 98 reviews published in the magazine January 2012 through March 2013, there was just one review of a "tweak," Robert Deutsch on the HiFi Tuning Supreme Fuses in May 2012. ( I don't count the AudioQuest power strip reviewed by Kal Rubinson's review in December 2012 as Kal didn't make any comment on its sound quality, only on its utllity.)
How many components reviewed by Jason Serinus have been tested? uh huh, right.
The correct answer is none. But that doesn't support JohnnyR's case either, as Jason's reviews are published on the website Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity, which has no connection with Stereophile. I hardly believe I am obliged to support reviews of products in competing publications with measurements in Stereophile.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
"Back in the early 1990s, Stereophile's Corey Greenberg was one of the judges for a DIY loudpeaker competition in San Francisco. There were 2 winning designs and as part of the prize, those 2 speakers were subject to a full set of measurements in Stereophile, published in the March 1992 issue. The speakers' measured performance was good but not great and certainly didn't embarass professional designers."
Golly "only" 20 years ago and as we all know, nothing new has happened since then to make speaker design any better (Insert BIG sarcasm face here) Talk about a lame example Atkinson.
Yeah yeah, "full reviews" whatever, Plenty of "little revews" though all the freakin time and all they are , are OPINIONS but you know what? You let your reviewers get away with murdering the intergrity of the audio world with their stupid banter about "blacker backgrounds,lifted veils and HUGE improvements in the sound" without them having to justify their claims, Pretty slick there pal.
Oh and Jason Serinus "reviews" as posted about the recent RMAF isn't connected to Stereophile? Give us all a break, Your EXCUSES are even lamer this time than usual.
Yep typical Fearless Leader goobley gook. Did you major in Universisty in the double speak of Orwell's 1984? If not then you are gulity of plagiarizing the concept.
Golly "only" 20 years ago and as we all know, nothing new has happened since then to make speaker design any better...
Again you are arguing with the voices in your head, JohnnyR. Of course a lot has happened in the past 20 years, especially the advent of low-cost measuring equipment. But you're missing my point, which is, as I wrote earlier today, that a DIY designer doesn't subject his loudpeakers to the scrutiny of a disinterested marketplace, something professional designers do as a matter of course. You have repeatedy claimed that your speakers are as good as if not better than commercial designs. However, unlike engineers like Kevin Voecks, Paul Barton, Richard Vandersteen, Jeff Joseph, etc, your ability to pay your mortgage and feed your family doesn't depend on your skill as a speaker designer. Their's does, and it makes a difference.
Look, if you seriously believe your speaker designs are fully competitve with commercial designs, email me your measurements. I'll get back to you with my interpretation of what they mean, assuming they are as comprehensive as what I publish with every Stereophile speaker review. Put up or shut up.
Yeah yeah, "full reviews" whatever, Plenty of "little revews" though all the freakin time and all they are , are OPINIONS but you know what? You let your reviewers get away with murdering the intergrity of the audio world with their stupid banter about "blacker backgrounds,lifted veils and HUGE improvements in the sound" without them having to justify their claim...
You're not making sense. "Andreasmaaan" was discussing reviews in the magazine being accompanied by measurements. I was discussing reviews in the magazine being accompanied by measurements. You seem to be discussing something that exists only in your mind. And unlike Professor Dumbledore's quote, that doesn't mean it's real :-)
Oh and Jason Serinus "reviews" as posted about the recent RMAF isn't connected to Stereophile?
That was a show report. No-one other than yourself equates a magazine's coverage of a show with its formal equipment reviews. Are you seriously suggesting that magazines shouldn't publish show reports without including a full set of measurement data for each room they report on? Really? There isn't an audio magazine or website that does that.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Go have another pink drink Fearless Leader.
Me let YOU interpet my frequency response? Don't make me LAUGH. You can't even interpept Wilson't ragged ass frequency response
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Look, if you seriously believe your speaker designs are fully competitve
with commercial designs, email me your measurements. I'll get back to
you with my interpretation of what they mean, assuming they are as
comprehensive as what I publish with every Stereophile speaker review.
Me let YOU interpet my frequency response? Don't make me LAUGH.
You make my point for me, JohnnyR. It was a serious offer on my part. Professional loudspeaker designers send out their products for review and for the public scrutiny of possible customers. Amateur speaker designers, such as yourself, are often afraid to let anyone else judge their work.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophilee
I have been challenging Johnny tp provide pictures and or the specs of his speakers. He has never met my challenge.
Now the editor of Stereophile offers to look over his data. Johnny again makes up excuses to avoid providing any information on his heavenly speakers.
Big talker...
Dear Jon,
What should have been an enlightening discussion of your great lecture has been contaminated by ill-conceived comments. Some individuals have posted comments that have created an environment of nastiness.
I would seriously urge you to start deleting ill-conceived comments from now on, whether they use flamable language or not. Some people are just turned on by the flames, but others aren't. And those others would much rather focus on the joy of engaging in the music and exchanges related to it.
You do not run a state-owned site but a private one that is likely to become a lot less lucrative (in all senses) if such nasty comments are to become visible.
I am not even pointing out names and we all know who I am talking about.
I am just giving you feedback that comes from an avid reader of Stereophile online.
Finally, the correction of my use of English was mentioned by one of these individuals. Please allow me to say that English is my second language and it is oxidized. Sorry about that.
Thx for posting this lecture, JA!!
I also saw the Wilkinson/HTG YouTube video/interview in which you summed up some highlights of the AES lecture.
A question about the non-oversampling vs. oversampling debate ... you (JA) noted that people (subjective listeners) prefer the NOS DAC.
Was there a formal test (or survey) conducted that you may be referring to?
As far as NOS vs OS ... this has been an especially active (and debated) topic in the DIY community.
Older DACs (multibit R2R, not Sigma-Delta or one-bit MASH/bitstream) are commonly used in various DIY projects/experiments. And, all else held equal (e.g., all one does is shunt the OS chip in an older CD player), many audio hobbyists do, indeed, prefer NOS -- but many also do not (the ones who prefer OS note that once clean, well-regulated power is provided to the digital-filter IC, you get much better sound).
My own "breadboard" experiments convinces me OS is better, tho' the NOS sound has some (few!) nice qualities not present in OS. This is almost like the age-old tube vs. SS debate.
I am aware of the very $$ Zanden DAC, and that's NOS, as are the modern AudioNote CD player and the HiFiMan 602. But almost all other commercial DAC (or digital sections) equipment since the late 1980s uses digital filtering (oversampling). And, I believe, OS has won out the mass-market and high-end/audiophile market for sound, important reasons (e.g., production costs vs. fidelity; or the all-important implementation issue: it's not just the DAC chip, but, also, decoder, pwr supply, output stage, etc.)
It's difficult to isolate the benefits/drawbacks of digital-filtering -- other than the shunting/bypassing method I described above -- due to various manuf/model designs using wide array of topologies, parts, etc. In other words ... Zanden (NOS) vs. Theta or Wadia (OS).
One final note ...
The 1st- and 2nd-generation CDPs were criticized in the audiophile community for having sub-std. sound. TTBOMK, these early players were all NOS.
Then came DF chips like Philips SAA7220 (famous for the faceplate moniker: "Fourfold Oversampling Digital Filter"), and commercial (read: not modded or souped-up Philips units from Meridian/Cambridge/etc.), started to gain acceptance by serious audiophiles/reviewers.
Examples of this included various Philips/Magnavox, Yamaha and (of course) Sony models sold in department stores/mail-order-outlets at hugely-discounted prices.
So what happened to improve the sound? Was it mostly/partly OS? And/or was it better DACs? And/or better (analog) output stages? And/or better overall topologies, tighter tolerances, better PCB layout, more careful PS design?
Some of the zero-oversampling fanboyism is strange (other than the one-more-time-parasite-for-the-bored-audiophile pathology). In DIY threads and modern eBay Chinese kits (or even complete D/A NOS processors, mostly from China) new-old-stock DACs (like TDA1541 or TDA1545/1387) are used with just a simple output section and a $2 USB decoder (or S/PDIF receiver) to get data from some source.
The image below is a top-down view of a complete D/A processor based on a TDA1387 (Philips multibit R2R DAC IC from mid 1990s) -- it's a non-(zero-)oversampling config. (but uses 8 TDA1387s in parallel).
It's from China and sells for less than $125 (eBay, Taobao, etc.). I have no idea how it sounds.
The main point, however, is that: this is a fairly new offering in the marketplace ... but it's all OLD-SCHOOL ... simple topology/layout, R2R DAC, etc ... many engineers were doing this type of stuff in the mid-1980s, and henceforth.
So why is old new again?! Does NOS, indeed, sound better because most audiophiles (esp. young people, but also older geeks/reviewers who sold/got rid of their "vintage" gear) have heard nothing but oversampling or Delta-Sigma digital?
These probing queries go right to the heart of the AES lecture. Indeed, the Wilkinson video interview on Home Theater Geeks had this title: Episode 84: What Is Reality?
What is Reality?
Another aspect of recorded/playback audio (and psychoacoustiics and related biology) is how human perception deals with:
-- NATURAL acoustic events, such as wind, leaves, birds, crickets, human voice
(IOW: random, short-duration, relatively QUIET events -- the type/duration of acoustics humans dealt with for most of the species' evolutionary history)
...vs. more "recent" acoustic exposures , such as ...
-- MUSIC/MEDIA(movies, tv/GAMING/URBAN ENVIRONMENTS
(these are much more continuous/linear, longer-duration, and louder events than what was statistically-signif. for most of hominid's evol. history).
With music, especially, there is so much more complexity (including the four std. music-theory qualities: harmony, tonality/timbre, rhythm, melody). Add words (song, opera, lyrics) .... and you have to, then, also engage the brain's symbolic/language interpreters ...hence, brain/mind acoustic organs are starting to get a real workout.
But let's not stop there: a good (= engaging) film with a complex orchestral score in the soundtrack makes things even more complicated -- i.e. the added visual-system integration! And the smell/flavor of popcorn and the sweetness/wetness/caffeine of that cola ...
I think the brain/mind can "learn" to cope with all this newer multi-tasking sensory environment. It (brain/mind) does seem to really like sensory "overload." Or movies and audio systems wouldn't be so popular.
To get to the point: Nature is a tough task-mistress. If you want to know her secrets, you've gotta have the passion for hard work (= scientific/empirical data colelction and careful analysis) AND passion for philosophical engagement. JA has done much of this in the 2011 AES lecture. Good work!
BTW: One (of the many, many) reasons classic objectivists' tests (like ABX) are flawed is that they (mostly) concentrate on short/excerpted chunks of music tracks.


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Saturday, July 18, 2015
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Firstly I have to say a massive thank you to those of you who messaged me regarding my recent post about my illness.
I thought things were getting better, but this week I have been on the floor again; I just can't stay awake for any length ... Read more
Wednesday, July 01, 2015
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I am taking part in the 5% challenge once again.
I didn't complete the last one - in fact I drifted away part way through it because I just couldn't muster up the will to sign onto the computer at all.
I have been allocated a different t... Read more
Wednesday, July 01, 2015
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So I have been AWOL again. It seems most of by blog entries seem to be explaining absences, but here we go.
I have talked before about how I suffer seasonal depression. For the most part I have developed coping mechanisms that allow me to h... Read more
Sunday, January 11, 2015
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Wednesday, January 07, 2015
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I have been struck today with an almost overwhelming need to do something huge - to really push myself to my absolute physical limit.
I started using a new workout app this morning. Only a 5min cardio hit but it really got me huffing and pa... Read more
Tuesday, January 06, 2015
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Following my recent thoughts on changing my diet ( www.sparkpeople.com/mypage_public_journal_individual.asp?blog_id=5839861 )
I am experimenting with different breads.
Today I opted for a sandwich of sliced sunflower... Read more
Monday, January 05, 2015
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Yup, I have signed up again!
Happily I am back in my old team - a fabulous bunch of motivators and inspirations.
Part of the preparation was to replace my scale batteries (Yup, I hadn't been on the scales in that long - a massive pat o... Read more
Sunday, December 28, 2014
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This cropped up on my facebook feed this morning which I found quite interesting.
The most fascinating thing I found about the list was that many of the foods on my (o+) poison... Read more
Saturday, December 27, 2014
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Life has a nasty habit of getting in the way of self-improvement and this year it has certainly pushed everything possible at me. That said, as I mark my 9th Sparkiversary in a few days, I feel this is a great time to focus on all the things I H... Read more
Sunday, April 06, 2014
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I never got around to any sort of finalisation of my Winter challenge results, so here goes:
Starting Weight (1/18) : 165
[5% goal: 8lbs - 157]
1/25: 162
2/1: 160
2/8: 159
2/15: 157
2/22: 155
3/1: 153
3/8: 154
3/15... Read more
Saturday, February 15, 2014
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WEIGHT: I DID IT!!! 5% Goal reached. I am at 157 which I am really pleased with.
Ideally I wanted to lose at least 3lbs to hold any hope of reaching my birthday 145, but realistically I was never going to get that with the busy week I have had... Read more
Friday, February 07, 2014
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I need to take stock and since I am in something of a habit of measuring up on a Friday - and Fridays seem to be shaping up as my "me" day, giving me the time to sit and think... so it makes sense to TRY (at least) to make a weekly sum-up post o... Read more
Thursday, February 06, 2014
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Friday, January 31, 2014
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I have had a really busy week, yet don't actually feel I have acheived anything!
I had a visit with my daughter's counsellor regarding the suggested treatment for her OCD. Strangely (or not, I guess) they are ignoring the OCD itself and wor... Read more
Saturday, January 25, 2014
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Plan-wise, things are going great at the moment. I am having a small issue, however.
Looking back through my postings for this week I have realised I am slipping back into some bad habits.
Since my initial bout of Sparking, I had a far... Read more


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Dwight Yoakam, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Justin Townes Earle and more this four-day weekend
Four day weekend? Totally! Just call into work on Monday and Tuesday!
Why? Because Justin Townes Earle is playing First Avenue on Monday! And you know you wanna get ass-drunk for that show. After all, he'll probably be, right?
Oh, but we kid. Only because Justin, described last December by the Dallas Observer as "one tough sonuvabitch," said in an interview following a drunken altercation in Indianapolis (that resulted in a short tour postponement) that while he didn't plan to live up to the legacy of his namesake, Townes Van Zandt, he was "also not going to make any promises."
Now, this past week or so Justin's been on a Twitter rampage* decrying the Dallas Observer (for example, from 4:18 PM Feb 2nd: "Homeless man says dallas oserver not worth the shit he just took on it." Sic.) after the paper, City Pages' sister publication, set 40 to 1 odds that he would die in 2011. The prediction has since been retracted, though the 35 to 1 odds placed on Steve Albini's head have not.
In other words, Justin does not plan to die. But he's not making any promises. But he also doesn't want anyone to make any predictions, and rightly so. And whether or not he chooses to stay sober is another story. And the bottom line? We realize the two are not mutually inclusive, and we're rootin' for him! Drink up, but stay alive, good buddy.
Holy goddamned digression. Anyway, even if you can't take your Tuesday morning off to see Justin's Monday night appearance at First Avenue (2/14 8:30, $15, 18+), there are plenty other options for seeing some good country this weekend.
Exhibit A-1: Dwight Yoakam will be playing Mystic Lake Casino on Friday night. Ooh, but it's sold out! Too bad! I'll bet you didn't get tickets. Keep your eye out for the next time he's in the area, as he's not to be missed. And until then, keep that eye out for our review come Monday morning. I'm sure you'll be feelin' real green by then.
Alternative: And it's a good alternative. Go check out Nitty Gritty Dirt Band at the Medina this Friday instead (2/11 7:30, $24-41, 21+). We saw them put the fun in funerals last spring, and it was real, real good.
Aww, but are you poor as a church mouse? Poor li'l church mouse. Tonight, Lee's Liquor Lounge will be hosting Church of Cash AND a meat raffle for just five little bucks. So you might at least get some free meat? Wait, I take that back - the opening band is called Meat Raffle Road. Well, that's pert'dern cool, too. I mean, it ain't no free backstrap, but that's okay. Let's be frank; you probably got enough of that in your freezer anyway.
Hey, we called in to work for you on Monday and Tuesday! F'real, we did. Enjoy!
*Follow Justin's tweets. They're my favorite to read aloud, and are as often hilarious as they are full of confounding truisms. Meaning, always.
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Peeps have been hitting me up about this half marathon I ran, so I figured I'd write a little Frequently Asked Questions about the whole thing.
Did you finish?
Sure did! In 2:28, which means I ran about 11 minute miles the whole way.
Did you have a goal time?
Eh, not really. Instead of a time, because this was my first half, I decided that my primary goal would be A. to finish and B. do so without walking. I achieved both of these things.
Were you sore?
Oh heavens, YES! And honestly, that was the most shocking part of the whole experience. I had run two 11 mile runs leading up to the event and was fine the next day after both. I figured with just 2.1 miles more I'd be fine! Boy was I wrong. I almost fell down my stairs in the AM because my quads were so tight. Even sitting was painful. There was no reprieve. I think it's partly that I didn't really stretch after–too much finish line excitement and just that…well…13.1 miles is a long run!
Did you listen to music?
Sure did! Before heading into the race, I asked my friends on Facebook to share some tracks I should put on my playlist. Bunches of people, and like *super* random people from random parts of my life alongside my friends an family chimed in. The result was an eclectic list that made me smile because it was like those friends were cheering me on along the way. Check it out for yourself:
Did you get bored?
Do you think I could do one even if I've never run one before?
Absolutely. That's what training is for! I've never been much of a runner and I certainly don't have whatever this elusive "runner's body" is I keep hearing about. But I got myself on a training program, worked at it and made it happen. I'm confident you can do the same!!! It might take a bit longer to train for, but who cares?! Do you and make it happen.
Would you do it again?
Funny you should ask….YES. In fact, I'm already signed up and just took my first training run tonight for the San Francisco Nike Women's Half. My co-worker mentioned back in July that I might as well enter the lottery for this race and whaddya know–I ended up getting in! This race is October 18th, so less than two months to go! This time around, I am indeed setting some time goals—now that I know I can do it, I want to do it harder, better, faster, stronger! Woot!


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Booked my first pre-natal visit with a midwife/doula for July 23rd. I had a g/f with 2 babies, both delivered with a midwife at home, and she swore by it! my OH spent many nights researching on the net about home-water births, and after watching the videos on YT they looked so easy! the babies don't cry as much, the women don't look like they are in any pain, and the mid-wife care model sounded soooo appealing! They come to your home for your prenatal care every 4 weeks for 45 mins each visit, then after 30 weeks it's every 2 weeks, then after 36 weeks it's once/week till birth, then every week till 6 weeks after baby! We live only a short drive from the hospital, where she is a resident, so if any complications arrise we're in good hands! Also, don't know how it works in the USA, but here in Canada (BC at least) midwives are covered under our provincial health care at no extra cost! Plus my g/f is lending us the birthing pool (a $200-$300 expense) so it just made sense to us. Has anyone else known someone who has had a great midwife experience, or is planning to use one for a home birth also?
home-birth with midwife anyone?
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Unfortunately... no. In IL it is illegal, and while there are some midwives who do it, they are difficult to find (especially who you don't know anyone who has done a homebirth in the area).
Besides, my DH is terrified that something is going to go wrong after all the horror stories he learned about in med school, so our compromise is a midwife and doula in the hospital's birthing center (which is separate from LD here, kind of neat), water labor, "land" delivery, and coming home in less than 24 hours. Last time I was in the hospital for 26 hours, and that's only because my nurse was the biggest B%^*H on the planet and thought she knew more than the doctors who had discharged me. It wasn't until I threatened to go to her supervisor and sue the hospital for holding me and my son against our will that she finally let us going home.
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We're doing it again. I have had 2 hospital births with OBGYN's, and 1 home water birth with a midwife. It was a fantastic experiance. Quiet, no uncomfortable car ride suffering through contractions, no hospital gown, nobody I didn't know barging in and demanding to check my cervix. and NO laying on my back. It was great! :) you sound like you have such a sweet set up.
Dh+Me= 4 beautiful blessings + 2 precious angels + 1 on the way
wow AmLynn84, I knew some states did, and others didn't... but I do know what you mean by a birthing centre (my sister-in-law gave birth in TX, your medical system is much different than Canadian one) so I guess it's very similar to a home birth, less hospital-like. Here, our hospitals, births, health care, ultrasounds, medications, everything is covered 100%... so there really are no options of a birthing-centre, private hospital or other... you go to the hospital to have the traditional birth with your MD or OB, or you choose a midwife/doula and have it at home, or in the hospital with her... the experience my sis-in-law had was amazing, private room, private birth pool, but at the cost of $16,000+ to my brother! (who was in shock, as a CND too)... so when we found out we could get a similar experience with a midwife in the most private of settings at home (for free) we figured it's better than the hospital setting! Midwife and all services is somthing new to be covered here in past decade, so they have become very popular with women who are having an uncomplicated pregnancy... like i said, I am a 8-10 min drive on hwy to nearest hospital if somthing were to arrise, and I too have heard horror stories of crabby nurses (my aunt is a Mat Nurse but in another hospital/city away, otherwise I might have gone there like my sister did with both of her babes) so living room floor it is!! Plus I heard about C-section hell, when it's a matter of hospital insurance or law-suits, many C-sects have been unessecary but done for legalities. Once you sign/check-into hospital, you are siging your rights and baby's rights over to whomever is in charge that day, just like you, that means release day too!
Beccaann3mom, where are you from? do you plan on water too?
Once you sign/check-into hospital, you are siging your rights and baby's rights over to whomever is in charge that day, just like you, that means release day too!
That's not really true. You can decline anything you want. Admittedly that can become a major pain in the ass, which is why it's important to find a care provider who is supportive of your wishes.
I think parents that have meth labs are bad parents, there I've said it.---Aspen001
I'm not doing a homebirth, btw, but I know a lot of people who do. One of my friends will be having her homebirth any day now!
I think parents that have meth labs are bad parents, there I've said it.---Aspen001
I am planning on a midwife, have my first appointment later in July. Question about water birth for anyone who's done it: Sex in water is not very comfortable because all the natural lube gets washed off. Isn't it the same with a water birth? It would make more sense to do it in a vat of warm Crisco, but that would be super expensive!
Seriously, anyone who's done a water birth please answer, I've really been wondering about this.
Moxycat...no it is not the same thing, LOL! I had a water-birth was DD and it was wonderful! If the water is right for you (some people have a hard time getting comfortable or feel too hot) then it really helps to ease the pain and reduces the risk of tearing. Baby is coming out with their own natural vernix on that will not be "washed" away on the way out.
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Brooke 9/15/10(Water birth, EBF, CD, delayed solids, ERF)
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This month marks the 10-year anniversary of the "Tuck Rule" game (Jan. 19, 2001), which essentially ushered in an era of Patriots dominance in the NFL. In that spirit, we look back at that fateful, snowy AFC divisional playoff game between the Patriots and Raiders. It was the last, and most memorable, game played at Foxboro Stadium.
A few highlights from Greg Garber's story (link above), which is told by those who lived it:
The Patriots, trailing 13-10, take over on their own 46 with 2:06 left. They had crossed the 50 and were close to field goal territory with less than two minutes remaining when Charles Woodson appeared to strip Brady of the football. Ruled a fumble, the Raiders recovered and the Patriots' season appeared to be over.
Walt Coleman (game referee): "There wasn't much conversation with the other officials because everybody's looking at something different. Nobody sees the action of the quarterback except me. Based on what I saw and the information that I had, I ruled it as a fumble. If you ruled it incomplete you could not correct that with replay. That's basically just the way we were trained."
The booth buzzed down and asked for a replay.
Walt Coleman: "The shot he gave me was from the front, which gave me a clear look at exactly what happened on the play. And what it showed is Brady's arm's coming forward. And Woodson hits him and the ball falls out of his hand. And that's clearly an incomplete forward pass. It was easy."
Brady completes a 13-yard pass to David Patten and, after two incomplete passes, runs for 1 yard to the Oakland 28. Patriots place-kicker Adam Vinatieri lines up the game-tying 45-yard field goal with less than a minute left in regulation.
Adam Vinatieri: "You think, 'Oh, my gosh, we've got a chance to tie this thing.' But it's a 45-yarder and there's three, four inches of snow on the field -- with the game on the line. You had pretty much everything working against you, degree-of-difficulty-wise. For me, it was not thinking of all the external things. It was, 'You've got to kick a ball better than you've ever kicked it. It's got to be above the line of scrimmage, and it's got to be straight.'"
Tedy Bruschi: "When his foot hit that ball, I saw a snow explosion like off of the ground, like just a 'poof!' of snow. The wind, the snow, so many things that made that probably the most difficult clutch kick in the history of the NFL."
The Patriots win the overtime coin flip and drive from their 34-yard line to the Oakland 5 in 14 plays.
Damien Woody: "We went up to Adam, we asked him, 'Where are you going to be kicking the ball from?' He pointed out the spot and we just started clearing a path for him."
Adam Vinatieri: "My holder and I are trying to kick as much snow out of the way as possible and the offensive linemen were sweeping and sweeping. Oakland calls a timeout to ice the kicker. I think it helped us out. We cleared a pretty decent spot. At least my footing was better for that one. Game winners in playoff games are never easy. They have a whole different feel. But after making the best kick of my life, I felt like I just couldn't miss that night. That one went right down the middle and it was over. That was fun."
Vinatieri, 8:29 into overtime, kicks a 23-yard field goal to win the game 16-13. The Patriots went on to beat the Steelers in the AFC title game and the Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI.
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Kevin Murphy of the Moondoggies at the Treehouse Cafe, Bainbridge Island.
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Kevin Murphy of the Moondoggies at the Treehouse Cafe, Bainbridge Island.
The Moondoggies Treehouse Cafe, Bainbridge Island Saturday, April 2
Treehouse Cafe, Bainbridge Island
Saturday, April 2
The main logistical concern in catching one of Seattle's buzziest folk acts on neighboring Bainbridge Island is catching the ferry. If this were any other show in Seattle, an Orca card or cab fare would be all you'd need, but I was paranoid about missing the boat. During the height of tourist season, you can be stuck in a queue watching multiple ferries come and go without any regard for your own waiting vehicle, and I was determined to avoid such a scene. But last Saturday, tourism be damned, no one was fighting for a spot on the rain-soaked commuting vessel.
After barreling down Capitol Hill, we easily squeezed in at the tail-end loading of the 3 p.m. ferry. We breathed a sigh of relief over drinks in the galley during the short crossing, but with over four hours to kill before the 8 p.m. show, we were left with a question as we drove the few blocks into town: What now?
I've passed through Bainbridge Island many times before, but on most occasions it was simply a relay point between my house and some predetermined camping destination on the Olympic Peninsula. I'd never actually considered spending time there, but when faced with the idea, countless options appeared before me: shopping, coffee at a cafe, a casual stroll through town. Getting right down to it, though, none of them seemed a better use of our time than a good old wine tasting.
After a vegetarian plate lunch at Emmy's Vege House, we stopped into Eleven Winery and Eagle Harbor's tasting rooms. Suddenly we were on island time--and surrounded by locals who swear by it. "I've lived on Bainbridge for 17 years," said Kevin Schmidt as he poured us a taste of Eleven's Syrah Port. "It's the best of both worlds--quiet, relaxed island life, with one of the world's most cosmopolitan cities a ferry ride away."
We soon caught a mellow buzz, and, before losing all track of time, decided to make our way toward the venue, to snag a good spot for the show--and one of the cafe's pizzas. After several detours (the venue is located outside downtown Winslow via a few long and winding country roads) we finally reached the Treehouse Cafe, a compound of a restaurant set in a Bavarian-style retail complex. Inside, the cafe was bustling with the band's extra bump of Saturday-night business, and from the looks of the homey place --part family restaurant, bistro, venue, bar, and community center--I figured one of the Moondoggies must know someone working here. Frontman Kevin Murphy was milling around getting his gear together, and I stopped him briefly for a chat.
"It's funny--we actually don't know anyone here, but I just found out that I do. One of the people I went to high school actually works here." He seemed amused. I asked him why the Moondoggies chose a venue like this to play. "I think the Cave Singers have played here before," he thought out loud. "You know, we've played so much around Bellingham and Seattle, we wanted to play someplace different."
And what a different place it was--a big jump from the clubs of Seattle, with free-ranging toddlers, a chipper, high-school-aged staff, and a family-friendly vibe. And a welcome change--the "Moondogs" (as one woman near our table called them) could have been playing on the moon, the feeling was so far removed from the Seattle scene.
"Moondoggies? Never heard of 'em. I like the Treehouse for its fine company and excellent reading."
That's not to say city fans didn't make it out--the show was sold out and our ferry crossing to and from was spotted with familiar faces, suggesting a simple formula: If you're a good band with a following, people will come to see you play. There are a world of venues in towns just beyond Seattle that would jump at the chance to host such an event, and the more bands play them, the more they open a window to some of the Puget Sound's many music-loving communities.
As for the show, imagine a scene from a teen TV show where the group all gets together with their families on a weekend night to watch the local band play at the local restaurant: casual, mixed in age, with somebody's sweet-looking grandpa actually nodding off by the stage. A friendly waitress occasionally stopped through the crowd taking drink orders--and didn't seem pissed about it. For a sold-out gig, there was even some breathing room--my messenger bag had its own spot on the dance floor and someone's pizza had its own stool.
The band arrived on the small stage nonchalantly through a door from the restaurant's dry storage, and proceeded to play every song from their two albums, despite some glaring sound issues that prompted Murphy to comment: "The drummer's talking and he's not getting any sound--which is nice sometimes."
But this was the Treehouse Cafe on Bainbridge Island--not the self-serious Seattle scene, and the band plugged through, while girls danced stageside and played tambourine and heads bobbed throughout the crowd. Perhaps the most glaring difference of the two scenes was Murphy, dressed simply in an Easy Street Records T-shirt and baggy jeans, looking completely in tune with his casual surroundings. After all, once out of Seattle, skinny jeans are not required.
The Scene: Casual, mixed, more Bainbridge than Seattle according to Murphy's impromptu stage poll, lots of people excitedly chatting through the show.


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