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My Christian Son Wants A Sex Change, What Do I Do?
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Hi Amber,
I'd only just found your work on ChristWire and I was wondering if you could assist me with a question.
I have a son who has 'come out' to us as transgender, believing that he is a 'girl trapped in a boy's body'. Granted, my wife and I have been trying to give this very serious thought as to what has happened to cause our son to think this.
We have been doing our best to raise him under the Lord, and he says he still loves God. Can you offer any advice on what I can do to help him? Do we help our son become our daughter? Signed, Confused in CA
Dear Confused,
I truly sympathize for you and your wife, as you have a tough task ahead of you in correcting the errant thoughts of your sin-child.
Your son's desire to be a girl is very unnatural, and scripture warns us it is also an abomination to natural order. The inclination of homosexuality is not genetic, but a choice one makes in life.
As a father, it is your responsibility to help your teen make the right choices in life. You need to let your son know that his desire to be a girl is disgusting and an offense.Do not be soft with him, as a boy in his position needs very stern guiding.
Your son's gender confusion could be the result of being exposed to homosexual media on television, peers at school or even a way of trying to 'gain your attention', as teens tend to do.
Your son must understand that he cannot love the Lord as he claims and want to be gay or transgender. Such a choice in life gateways into a lifestyle of sin and immoral fornication, the implications of which he cannot imagine.
So sit down and tell your son 'No' to his desire to be gay, just as if he asked you if it was 'ok to do cocaine'. This is all the same, and when you're sitting with your son pray for his mind, so that he can be delivered from this strange perversion. You and your wife should also consider speaking to your clergy about good psychologists in your area, as your son's mental condition may have been caused by some guilt or psychological trauma he's hiding from you.
Dear Amber:
Good evening. My name is Isabelle and I come to this country 4 months ago with the promise of a good-paying job. My intentions were to work in this country for a few years and then buy a house so that my families can come and share in the same opportunities I have experienced. I go to immigration office, obtain a visa, and come here with my worker's permit.
The man who helped finance my journey to this wonderful country did not give me the job he promised. He told me that I would be a model for woman's clothing (of course it would be modest clothings!). I was told that this would be a great way to promote new conservatives fashion to the young people in this country.
However, when I came to this wonderful land, I was heartbroken. First, I find that the parish that I wanted to join did not exist because it burn down 1 year ago. Then, I was told that I had to surrender my work papers to the man that paid for my journey. Then, he told me that I could not start the modeling job until I do some very bad things first.
…I need your advice Amber. I want to be a hard-working American like I see in the pictures but now my hopes are dashed. I want to be a part of this wonderful country, but is it worth it to use my body in order to do that? How do I deal with my boss to tell him I'm uncomfortable with being a pleasurewoman? Thank you very much, and I hope to hear from you soon! God bless you and your family.
Dear Isabelle,
I fear for your life and safety. I am not sure where you are at in America, but you need to immediately contact your local authorities (police) and talk to them about your situation.
I do not know if you are here legally or not, but whatever the case, being deported back to your own country is far better than what can happen to you. Every year, in essentially every country, women (usually travelers or immigrants like yourself) are tricked into submission, abducted and eventually forced into sexual slavery.
An estimated 500,000 to 800,000 young women are forced into sexual markets, worldwide, each year. They often end up never seen again, or found to be murdered or overdosed on drugs. Isabelle, wherever you are immediately contact the authorities and talk to them.
Your family loves you and would rather have you back home than allowing your body to be abused and to be trafficked into a life of pain then death. I wish you all the best, and please also visit these resources after you call the police. I want you to know that you are not all alone and good people will help you. -Amber
Dear Amber,
I am a young 17 year old girl who is very active in my local church. I have recently begun reading Harry Potter, but my whole church considers it filled with evil values. What do I do? Keep on reading? – Conflicted
Dear Conflicted,
Your church is correct. In addition to promoting sorcery and magic, Harry Potter also promotes homosexuality and anti-Christian bigotry. Various sources assert that the actor who portrayed the gay magician frequently spent time alone with the young actors of the movie, to 'discuss' homosexual material.
There is much documentation on how this movie is wrong and will put your soul in danger. Every major Christian network has protested the Harry Potter books and movies, the Pope has denounced it and various journalists have discussed its danger to teens, family and culture in great detail.
You must realize that even at 17, despite feeling like a well-informed adult you are indeed still very young and have much to learn about life. Your church leaders have your best interests at heart and you should not be in the habit of questioning your church's teachings. That puts you in a position to fall into dangerous habits and developing a rebellious attitude.
There are many dangers in this world and being obedient to wisdom, determined by doctrine and faith from your leaders, is the best way to ensure you grow into a beautiful young woman of compassion and strong moral bearing.
- Amber
Hi Amber!,
My husband and I love you and wanted your take on a big question that's come up for us, which is where to send our daughter for school?
My daughter is absolutely brilliant and is graduating this year with top grades, and colleges are sending her mounds of recruitment mail and phone calls every single day. We are split three ways on where she should go.
My girl wants to go out of state to New York, my husband wants her at a local, private university and I think she should stay in state at least the first year, at either a private of public school. She has many options and problem is limiting them down, in a good and responsible manner.
This is our first girl so we are all stressing! I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
-Proud Mom in Los Angeles
Dear Proud Mom,
This is truly one of the most proud and exciting times for parents. To hear that your daughter achieved great academic merit and is gearing up for a successful transition to college is wonderful.
I notice that both you and your husband have some reservations about sending her too far off. It seems you are still compromising for both sides of the decision, by trying to respect your daughter's natural desire to 'move far away' (teens use 'go out of state' for their euphemism ) and your husbands instinctual response to keep his daughter close at home, under his protection.
What you need to do is first pray and ask God for guidance in opening the right doors. He will set your daughter's path. I personally agree with your husband in that your daughter should go to a local, private, Christian university.
Public schools are full of dangers such as heavy drug use, no set visiting hours, wild fraternity parties, an increased incidence of violence, rape and many other things that could ruin your daughter's life.
I would encourage you to focus your search on quality Christian schools and set up times to tour their campuses. I notice you are from the L.A. area, and that would be the first place you should start looking at schools that will provide your daughter a terrific education and the moral protection that naturally comes with a private, Christian college. Best of luck with your decision!
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Hey Amber, are you in any way certified in the psychological field? The advice you are giving are actions that can severely damage a human being and lead to long term trama. Maybe you should read more than one book for everything because the writers of the bible didn't devote any of their time to understanding psychology.
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I also suffer from Gender Dysphoria, and all I can say to you, Amber, is that you have no idea what you are talking about. It's people like that that cause unncessary pain and suffering to others. You do NOT understand how it feels, and by using your own subjective interpretation of what gender dysphoria is basing it on the bible pretty much shows that the world we are living in is disgustingly ignorant.
It's a 'choice', you say? What do you know about anything? By the way, one's gender does not dictate one's sexual orientation. So being a transgender does NOT mean that you are 'gay'.
Please, if you truly love 'God', do us all a favour and educate yourself before giving out advice to other parents. They need to talk to 'real' qualified professionals, not someone like you.
Your ignorant comments disgusted me.
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I'd like to emphasize to "Confused in California", that you need to immediately put your son in some therapy. If he's showing signs of gay choices at his age, you want him psychoanalyzed. Doctors may need to give him some sort of medication along with therapy as you guys work with straightening out his mind.
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Perhaps what he wants is very natural because he was born with the wrong sex organs. Do you think God can't make a mistake like that? How about the children born with both types of sex organs, were they really meant to be that way? How could a child be both sexes? Isn't that totally against what you are saying to start with since it would be homosexual no matter what it did because it is both sexes?
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Like Adam here I used to suck every cock in sight, and it was with a belly full of semen, and a heart full of confusion and sin that I found the solution, a sort of marvelous medicine if you will. That magical ungment that cured my deviant homosexuality, the ground up marrow of conservative US senators. Not only a delicious treat, it also filled me with the righteousness to shake off my hedonistic past (IE all the cock chugging) and adopt a new, more godly lifestyle where I lurk about with a vile full of Ricin just waiting for Tom Coburn or Larry Craig to come out of the lavatory and BLAMMOO!!!!
Keep up the great work Amber, you filthy little whore you…..
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i thought psychology was the new religion. i personally would not send a young, impressionable person with as many demons in his head to a godless psychologist. i fear for this young man's life and afterlife. he needs to see an exorcist first. and then pay penance for 40 days and nights by fasting on his knees in front of an altar of the virgin mary. god be with him and his family.
god bless you amber. you truly are doing the lord's work here.
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Perhaps what he wants is very natural because he was born with the wrong sex organs. Do you think God can't make a mistake like that? How about the children born with both types of sex organs, were they really meant to be that way? How could a child be both sexes? Isn't that totally against what you are saying to start with since it would be homosexual no matter what it did because it is both sexes?
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God doesn't make mistakes. All deformities like this are caused by Satan.
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Your stupidity included?
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Tanya Lebowski
Dear Amber,
I am currently stuck in a very complicated situation. I met a beautiful older woman the other day at a mutual friend's piano recital, and we immediately hit it off. I did not know where this was going until a few hours later at her flat. I am sorry to say that I gave into temptation, but I did.
The next day, during physics class, my professor held me back. "I understand that you know my wife," he said. I was so embarrassed. Amber, I don't know what to do! He told me he would like to get to "know me better too." Should I give in to him too?
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Why would anyone ask YOU for advice?!
You obviously have no compassion.
Imagine how the boy who wants to become a girl feels, considering you basically just told his parents to reject him until he conforms to your ridiculous way of thinking.
You shouldn't be allowed to give anyone advice, you're biased and idiotic.
I honestly cannot believe that anyone would WANT advice from you either!
What is so wrong with using common sense instead of finding some random blogger whose views are utterly ridiculous?
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ashtongalereplied:View September 1, 2009
I agree with Rose. And personally, if this poor child commits suicide because his parents shamed him and neglected him, YOU should be taken in for manslaughter. There is NO WAY ON EARTH that this site isn't one big joke. You people can't be serious…
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Heather Millerreplied:View September 1, 2009
Funny, my parents apparently followed your advice years before you gave it, as I have ended up cutting myself off from my family since I was told I'm "not allowed in their house while I'm acting the way I am"
It's not an act. I've been Heather for the last 5 years and been quite happy, even though it has not been the easiest time.
Oh, and CW may want to stop using Google ads. Just like my transgender support website (linked from my name) unfortunately is, your holy site is plagued with ads for 'ladyboykisses.com'
I would normally ask that you do some research, but you guys actually disprove the saying "Resistance is futile"
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Kaili Alexandria F.replied:View October 3, 2009
Amber why dont you go out and talk to some transgendered people. for one we are we are not all homosexual. i for one am not attracted to men and have a very supportive fiancee who loves me for me. Iv always been this way as long as i can rem. i never woke up and decided hey i wanna be a girl. I for one wish it was that damn easy. Honestly without having to experianced this or evan talked to someone who is how do you have any right to judge me or others and tell us we are going to hell. Its people like you that made my life so hard growing up, hiding, having to pretend that i was something that i wasnt, and being regected by all those who told you to be your self when you were growing up and claimed to love you? Im glad that you feel that you are Gods right hand. trans or gay we are all in the same boat religious evangelicals who have been brain washed since birth think thay know all the secrets of the universe. ITS NOT A CHOICE WE ARE BORN LIKE THIS. The ultimate goal of every person is to be happy in life, your happiness lies in God and being as you are right? well i myself nor any other trans person or evan any homosexual people tell you that what makes you happy is wrong do we. Evan though you are hurting people with your advice and fear mongering. what have I as a trans women or any other like minded person done to hurt you or any other person by living my life the way that makes me happy. Absolutly nothing. so who are you to tell me im going to hell. you all preach that God has a plan for everyone and god makes us the way we are. but change that when it dosnt fit into your social defanition of normal. which normality is nothing more then the core set of values and beliefs held by the majority of the populace. so in honesty normal there is no such thing as normal. and homosexuality is not an un natural act. homosexuality can be seen in animals as well. be it in demonstrations of dominance or what ever else. the act is still a homosexual act. there for it happens in nature and cannot be called "unnatural"… I think it is you who needs some serious therapy. really telling a boys parents to disown him. what kind of advice is that?
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Truth Sayer
Amber needs a deep dicking.
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MacsenWledigreplied:View May 2, 2010
Her Uncle/Daddy gives it to her every day!
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No one would be that stupid to jump in a pool of lava, you well know that. Oh wait, you don't. Because you're an idiot.
And no, your ANALogy is not relevant.
Sorry, forgot to add great post! Can't wait to see your next post!
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Terry Egan
I find it hard to believe anyone would come here for answers to their most important questions. Amber doesn't know anything that wasn't written four thousand years ago. Two thousand years ago, Jesus said in Matt, 19:12."Let he who can receive it, have it"! He was refering to castration, the first century version of a sex change. The words homosexual and transexual didn't exist then
so they were called "Eunuchs". Go crack your bibles and read it for yourselves!
Read Mark 9:47 too. And Isaiah 56. Amber and her minions would prefer to maintain the delusion of lakes of fire and dancing demons for people being who they are. That boys parents should be honored that he came to them and asked their advice rather than sneaking around behind their backs. They reward his trust with Amber's nonsense. I'll bet that's the last time he puts his trust in them. I trusted my parents in a similiar way and spent a life time in misery because of it. We as Christians, have got to learn to ignore the Old (Jewish) Testament.
Regards, Terry
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Confused In CA .. I wish to point out that while religion holds the view of Transgender as wrong .. that Science has proven that often there is a medical cause for why one is transgendered. The cause happens while the child is still in the Uterus of the mother. It is when the brain is forming that the wrong wash of hormones penetrating the womb can in fact cause a male child to develop a female gendered brain. I will provide a link to which prooves what I state.
I would also like to point out that while indeed many who believe they are wrong gendered as a child do later change their mind, if the condition persists for more than 6 months it is likely your son is indeed wrong sexed in that their brain may be gendered female while the outer body is gendered normal male. If your child seems depressed on a regular basis over their physical gender then indeed a therapist is the best bet if only to prevent the child from becoming suicidal.
If indeed they are transgender then puberty will be the most dangerous time for their physical changes may make them wish to end their internal dysphoria in the only way they have available to them without help. A therapists job is to first try to disuade a person from the feeling or need for a transition to the opposite gender. But if the person after a number of months does indeed have a persistance of the feeling of extreme dysphoria over their gender being mismatched then the therapist often recommends taking steps to make changes for the person.
I have heard of far too many cases of children that have taken their own lives over untreated gender dysphoria. Even if your son does not turn out to truly be transgendered there can be other medical and psych causes that can make some temporarily feel as if they are trapped in the wrong gender. I do urge that you at least obtain a therapist for your son. Remember that a therapist is not making physical changes and yet they can help your son to sort through the gender confusion.
It is also true that some who seek transition to the opposite gender are not truly transgendered and later wish they had not transitioned. So it is necessary to have a competant therapist be involved as soon as possible. The alternatives are not really that pleasant. They could be 1.) the child becomes severely depressed and resorts to cutting on their own genitals. 2.) The child becomes so despondant that with or without telling you they attempt suicide as a means of ending their internal pain over gender. 3.) the child gets so desperate they seek black market hormones and make changes without proper diagnosis and medical monitoring and later may or may not end up ill because of improper doses of hormones.
The only real preventative measure is therapy to help the child sort out gender confusion before it is too late, and they choose to take it into their own hands. If indeed the child is truly transgendered then it will be found out in therapy .. but if they are not then they will in therapy discover it is a wrong choice for them and return to the happy self they were before they felt they were wrong sexed. Even the transgendered community understands that therapy is the first necessary step as it prevents some from making a wrong choice in either direction .. be it staying the same gender or transition to the opposite gender. What Amber's advice lacked was the facts behind why some are transgendered and what it can cause to happen. While her views are the standard of christianity's viewpoint they lack the advice of seeking a therapist as a preventative means. She also likens the desire of your son to be a female with that of homosexuality.
Therein is an error as gender and sexual orrientation toward a partner are not the same thing. Amongst the transgendered community there are both heterosexual and homosexual oriented .. but that holds no bearing on their own personal gender. To properly understand how a transgendered child feels at puberty .. imagine yourself going to bed one night as a guy and the next morning waking up as a woman and everyone seeing you as that gender while you know yourself to have been a man.
Now consider it just the opposite for your son having the feeling they are a girl while their body starts looking all the more masculine. Do you see where that dysphoria grows stronger with each physical change of puberty. Daily their body seems more foreign to them with each change. They feel like they are caged in a jail of the wrong gender … without therapy that feeling grows stronger to the point it results in possible self harm or suicide. But with therapy, the self harm and suicide are staved off, and the gender confusion is often treatable without any physical changes. However if they indeed persist in the feelings its possible they may indeed be a bona fide transgendered person.
I do not disparage the viewpoint of christianity regarding the issue but rather seek to show you why therapy sometimes helps their viewpoint by weeding out those who are not truly in need of transition. And yet pointing out that in some cases there are some who the only way to solve the situation is transition. No one knows why God allows some to be born with their brain gender in opposition to their outer physical gender, but without at least therapy the results are normally quite tragic.
I myself was born intersexxed with both genders physically and have thus been amongst both the Christian and transgendered communities in my life. I have seen both the positives and the negatives of some transgendered and non transgendered persons who sought transition to the opposite gender. Personally I feel that those whom I knew of that committed suicide or self harmed .. that therapy could have prevented those actions on the part of the child. What I do know is that doing nothing at all has tragic results. Please do seek a therapist for your child.
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Has anyone seen prayers for Bobby? It was a really sad story.
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I've come to the decision that I'm going to stay away from this site…
When I first came to this website I thought it was satire. I thought the review of Friday the 13th was hilarious but this site takes the joke too far, to the point that it isn't really funny anymore. Due to the fact that there really are some sick minded conservative extremists have views quite similar to those on this website, every now and then I wonder if the athors are prehaps actually serious, but then I come to my senses and think to myself, "nobody can actually be this stupid… can they?"
I've come to three possible conclusions:
1)This website is for real and the writters are completely insane.
2)This is really BAD sattire and the joke is taken way to far, making it not even funny anymore.
or the one I think is most likely:
3)This is a troll site and it's still not funny.
Some of the articles way too over the top for me, for instance all the racism and anti-gay speech, it's just starting to piss me off a little. Not because I'm getting pissed at the writters, who I'm starting to wonder if they are being serious but, because I know that there are people like this. The whole transgender subject hit me really close to home and I am not even cracking a smile on this one.
To the authors on this website:
You guys are assholes, and your website isn't even funny. Fuck you.
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The first question reminds me a whole lot of the story of Kim Petras. She was originally born a boy in Germany and started taking hormones so that later in life, she could successfully complete her gender correction. I think she was the youngest to start hormone therapy.
To date she is very healthy, has a SUCCESSFUL music career and is doing awesomely well. So I disagree with Amber's views on the subject and think that you need to let your son progress naturally, Confused. Guide him and teach him about family values and all that good stuff. But when he comes of age he'll need to decide his sexual orientation on his own.
What he needs to realize is that there will be bigots and 'conservatives' (coughAmbercough) who WILL NOT accept his choice to the norm as being alright. Not teaching him this and preparing him for such things can be disastrous if he's simply just homosexual or decides he wants a gender chance, and prefers the company of a man or woman.
In our progressive age, I think us 'liberals' as they say forget that despite our disagreements on some issues, conservatives have their views too. On some of their views, they are in the majority and the norm. This is just another issue, just like race in the 1960s, where the learning and acceptance curve just takes longer to beat into some segments of society.
By the time your son is of older age, confused, society will be far more progressive. Just like the rabid racism of the 60s is giving way to not even batting an eye at interacial couples or a 'colored' at a water fountain, expect the same for young men and women who do not fit into traditional gender assignments. Your son is just on the cusp of a new generation of understanding and will be accepted. Just make sure that acceptance starts with YOU.
Also, here's a picture of Kim Petras that I mentioned earlier.
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Melanie Rudd
Your advice to this father is so wrong. Being transgendered has nothing to do with being gay. Gender is between the ears and not the legs.
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Amber, what proffessionally recognised pyshcological qualifications do you have? I have none, but I can tell you that you are nuts!
Confused – talk to your son, find out why he feels the way he does without judging. If he's transsexual then he needs to deal with it, if not, he needs to deal with why he thinks he is, but either way, he needs your love and support.
I know you're a Christian, I am too, but please, do not go to any quack doctors this Amber recoommends, as they will only be a carbon copy of her. A good counsellor or psychiatrist will not tell you what to do based on THEIR viewpoints, but will ask you YOUR opinions and what you think you should do about things.
I fully expect this and other anti-Amber postings to dissapear shortly.
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Sarah Mcgilly
I for one know what your son is going through. I went that route and am now a very happy woman after many years of unhappiness as a male.
You raised him under the lords system and that is what you knew best t do.
Remember that he creates and that he expects his/her sone and daughters to mature, develope and grow under his/her watchfull eye.
If one thing you should get from this gift you have in your son wanting to be the girl she is inside is tolerance.
I spent years in hate towards a God that had made me this way and it caused a lot of trouble for me and my loved ones.
Dont do the same to her. Either way it she will still be your child and a child of God as you understand him.
Sarah McGilly
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Alan Winslow
You know nothing of this child other than their feeling transgendered!
What SIN have they committed? I know of the bible's commandments which
of these is broken?
What right do you have to demonize this child?
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Annah Moore
Amber – Your response and your attitude are part of the problem, not the solution. Your misuse of the Bible as a lever to control people into behaving unnaturally and extremely negatively toward their son is despicable, to say the least. I feel sorry for you and anyone else whom you influence with your misguided meddling in their lives. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Your suggestions to this father are the kinds of acts that cause so many children to become depressed and seek escape in the form of drugs and alcohol abuse and often suicide. Why? Because NO ONE can live up to the insane standards that you suggest. Your religious extremist angle is doing more harm than good and since it is apparent that you know absolutely nothing about the transsexual condition you are certainly not capable of giving advice on the subject.
I would suggest that you cease your advice-giving column immediately because if you continue to give such erroneous advice to people you will likely find that it will come back to haunt you when it goes awry.
To the father of this transgendered child, please understand that what your child is going through IS NATURAL, albeit very rare, and that there are MANY of us who have successfully overcome the exact same condition. This condition should never be confused with "homosexuality" (gender identity and sexual preference are two separate things) and forcing your child to live up to some insane standards will do far more harm than good. Love your child for who they are, not who they are not. If you want advice that is based in reality, not fantasy, then please contact someone who understands what your child is going through. I would be happy to help in any way I can, Google my name and contact me through my website, PLEASE.
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To Confused,
Amber is not well versed on the subject of homosexuality or transgenderism. Just because she is Christian and drives a car doesn't mean you should ask her if you need a new transmission. Your son needs to seek professional psychological help. NOT because what he is feeling and thinking is SINFUL or an ABOMINATION AGAINST NATURE, but because he is facing a very serious challenge in his life.
Telling your son that he is a sinner and an abomination is not helpful. He is already facing a difficult challenge in accepting the feelings he has inside of him. And that he approached you about it shows that he is open to guidance and trusts you. But you need to be careful in how you deal with him, and that's where a professional can assist you.
I trust that you love your son very much, and only want what's best for him — otherwise you probably wouldn't be here asking for advice. But know that the suicide rate for homosexual and transgendered teens is much greater than that of the "average" teen. If you force your son to ignore his feelings, or to try to become what you want him to be, you are likely forcing him down a path of deep depression, drug use, and/or suicide.
It's not your fault your son is this way. There is nothing that you did that caused this. At the same time, there is nothing you can do to stop this. Your son needs your love and support. That doesn't mean you have to help him become your daughter. I would suggest you tell him to live how he is now, support him if he wants to experiment with cross-dressing, and tell him when he is 18 he can decide for himself what to do.
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This website and its content are completely fictitious, put together by right-wing religious extremists whose only goal in life is to piss on the rights and lives of others. And they claim to live Christ-like lives – lo the humanity. They are charlatans and haters hiding underneath a veil of lies and deceit branded with a cross and the Bible. These are the lowest form of human life.
Amber is not a real person. If she were, then her full name would be listed and a picture of a real human being (not a sex doll) would have been used.
Don't believe this site or anything on it. One could easily argue that the site and its owners are Evil Incarnate.
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There are girls who are born with penis and gonads. It is a sin to declare them as boys cause they naturally never had been boys. People who really belive in God will never deny what god creates.
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You know what youre a lippy little something and you can just take that homogay agenda elsewhere. It's not right! You hear me? IT"S NOT RIGHT!
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Erm, I feel like an idiot now. This website, isn't a scam, but I think it is a spoof website ( you really need to be more clear with regards to that ). Check the article on wolverine being gay, and you might still see an advert for a gay dating site.
Thing is, your upsetting / pissing off people on both sides, but also exposing the bigots for who they are Ali G / Borat style, but someone has to be in on the joke for it work
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I'm 23 years old a transgendered invididual. More precisely, a male-to-female transsexual, and this is what I look like:
Anyways, I wanted to say that your comments, Ms. Amber, sound rather uninformed. Being transsexual has nothing to do with being "gay". I, for one, like many mtf transsexuals, have never touched a man. I'm currently still in a relationship with my first girlfriend, who fully accepts me as a woman.
As part of my disgusting life of sin, I have obtained a B.Sc honours in computer science (graduated with a 3.97/4.00 GPA and first class honours) currently finishing a masters degree in computer science, and I have been accepted for a Ph.D. which I will be starting next september.
I have to say that the more I can live my life as a woman, the happier I am. I wish my mother had been a little more understanding about my situation. When I first told her I wanted to be a girl at age 5, she simply told me that was wrong and unacceptable. Obviously that didn't fix things for me. Had she tried to understand me, and perhaps gotten me the help of a therapist, I could have begun my transition earlier, and would have felt less misunderstood and alone during my teenage years.
Oh, by the way, I love shrimp, they are my favorite abomination.
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Dear Confused in CA,
Amber's advice to you will cause your child an enormous amount of pain and suffering and will not help him to become a whole, functioning adult. He needs to see a therapist to help him determine the nature of his transgendered feelings. And he needs the support of his parents. Having his parents tell him that he is offensive and disgusting will be a terrible experience that could potentially hurt him for the rest of his life.
Being transgendered is not the same thing as being gay. And whether your son is transgendered or gay, or anything else, he can still love God. There are many Christian churches that are accepting of people who do not fit within Amber's incredibly narrow world-view.
I understand that dealing with this issue can be confusing and distressing, but please try to continue to be the loving and accepting parent your message shows you to be.
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As a professional researcher of male to female transgender persons for the past 5 years, I can state with no qualms at all, that there is NO CURE, NO FIX for being transgender. It is just as natural as as male and female. Transgender persons have been on this planet since the begining, we are all ethnicites, all RELIGIONS, all countries. It is not a life that choose. Who in their right mind would 'choose' to be the object of scorn and ridicule, and face a life of fear, angst, guilt and shame that Western society makes these people endure? These people are born with these feelings.
Why is it you can only see gender as a binary concept?
Your 'advice' will only lead this child to serious, serious depression and most likely suicide ideation.
And while we are at it, let's get this notion that all transgender persons are gay. This is simply not true. Some are, some are not—just like your binary male/female concept.
Amber, you are completely uninformed and unqualified to give ANYONE advice on this topic. Your incredibly finite scope of what is really going on is sad, to say the very least.
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Hardman Sarah
How dare Amber assert, contrary to established medical evidence that homosexuality (and by extrapolation, transsexuality) is not genetic or inborn but is a choice. Her advice may be given in good faith but it is irresponsible of her in the extreme to trespass on areas in which she has no competence. The Bible does not have answers for everything and interestingly, it has no position on transexuality at all though eunuchs were accepted and respected.
Frankly she is wrong and needs to research the topic thoroughly before giving false and wrong advice and therby causing much misery heartache and potentially pushing someone to suicide.
Gender disphoria is a very real condition not a lifestyle choice. the child need to see experts not someone like Amber who is not objective.
As the letter ad response are probably total works of fiction to illustrate a point, ther reality is hopefully that no harm has been done. If the letter is real then I can see god cringing at the response given by amber and shouting "NOOOOO!"
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I am not going to throw comemnts back and forth here. I will be brief. I would strongly recommend that the parents of this child take the child to a good psychologist who deals with gender disorders. To follow the course of advice from Amber would likely result in that child taking their own life. If they survived to be an adult, the action suggested by Amber would likely result if the parents of this child never having a relationship with their child. If this child is indeed suffering from Gender Idenity issues, it will not, I repeat not go away with bootcamp type tactics. It may never go away only result in it being supressed until such time as they can find the freedom to express it on their own.
I furthermore dispute the position Amber has about being someone being Christian also who is Transsexual or Transgendered. We could likely beat that point around for months with no change in position, so I see no reason to comment further here.
As far as what can I point to support what I say? I am a Transsexual. Sadly I am a late life transitioner as my parents did not deal with the issue correctly when I was young, but did much of what Amber suggested. It nearly cost me my life and would have resulted in my never having been Saved. It crippled my life and only now after years of struggle am I likely to fully have what could have been if I would have been treated correctly back then. I can say this problem does not go away with Salvation, it does not go away with being forced into a role in life, or even having obtained the ideal Christian appearing life on the surface. For whatever reason God has made some of us this way. For people such as Amber to deny this fact is in my humble opinion denying part of God's word.
Oh, and one last point. Being Transgendered does not automatically mean someone is of a given sexual orientation either. To assume otherwise completely shows the lack of understanding of people, life, and the complex issue here. I would strongly suggest Amber do a bit more reading before she starts trying to speak for God.
- Joanna
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Dear Amber,
Being a true believer in Christ and his sacrifice for all humankind I have scoured the scriptures and can not find solid scriptural proof in alignment with your advice to the parents of a son who feels that he is really a girl. Your remarks are very harsh to a couple seeking advice. Being a parent of six beautiful children I can not imagine treating any of them with such callous treatment. I must call into question your qualifications to give advice on such a matter. Do you personally know anyone who has walked this path in life? A feeling of being out of alignment with their born sex. Sadly I must admit that I to shared some of your same feelings prior to one of my closest friends confiding in me that he was struggling with the same feelings you so harshly describe as being perversion. Our friendship was so important to me that I took the time to study privately, to better understand why he felt as he did. I feel I was truly guided by our savior to see clearly that my prior understanding was based on fear and not love. From that point forward I held the hand of my friend (who is also a Christian) through every step necessary to bring his body into alignment with his heart and soul. Today I praise my lord for giving me the wisdom to see beyond my own petty judgments. My life continues to be enriched by my dear friend who gives me an even greater wholeness of who SHE really is.
You need to do your homework if you are going to give advice to anyone on this subject.
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Mom, You know Your son! Why would God have a problem with her resolving a problem by being what she really knows is true? Going from Male to Female or from Female to Male happens all the time in the animal/fish/reptile world! Are the people against this saying that God makes mistakes? The best advise is to find a Gender Therapist or two and take him/her to them! Please do it as soon as possible! Following the "Just say no!" could lead to the death of your Son/Daughter by suicide! Listen to God and help Your Son/Daughter live! Reverend Regina
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Well, well, well. Well, well, well.
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Wow talk about a sea of hatred and closed minds. ON BOTH SIDES! I have to admit I do not care for many of the things this website promotes but I wrote Amber a nice email explaining my issues on the Transgender child and receive an equally nice email in return. Perhaps if instead of spewing hate both sides took a moment to step back and take a sane look around at the pain they are causing.
Here is what I sent regarding the advice on the trans child.
Dear Amber,
I have to point out that your response to those parents was not only scientifically unsound but religiously unfounded. Gender Identification has nothing to do with homosexuality and your response was geared directly to that. Many Gender divergent people do not have sex or are incapable of doing so. I was transgender years before I knew what sex was. 1 in 1500 children are born with an intersex condition. Only 4 or 5 of the known 170 intersex conditions are identifiable at birth. Current science and indeed the bible share the concept that a child is built who they are at conception or close to it (Ps 139:13-16). Science has proven a number of physical attributes including hormonal attunement, brain structure, and brain organization are all set during the first 4 to 8 weeks of pregnancy. Physical genitalia do not appear until 12 weeks into the pregnancy. The two are not directly related and there are a number of ways they can be messed up. A transgender
child is usually the result of an actual chemical or hormonal impact upon the fetus during that first 8 weeks of pregnancy. It has nothing to do with choice or any mistake by the parents. It is simply a variation that occurs.
The Old testament and the Tahlmud recognize 5 genders. In fact there was a Rabinnical council called to determine if there are 5 or 7. The New Testament discusses at least 3. Matthew 19: 11-12 Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." Science says Transgender is not a choice or nurture issue but a nature one. Jesus says some are born that way, some are made that way and some choose to be that way. Either way does not matter. I know I was born the way I am. You are confusing sexuality with identity. Transgendered and intersexed individuals come in all the same sexual orientations as everyone else. The only problem is your artificial gender binary created from selective biblical argument condemns us for no reason.
I know that you believed you were doing the right thing as far as faith goes for that family. However, you have probably cost them a son. If the child cannot find a way to cope with the anxiety they will be lost to drugs or suicide. The suicide rate among transgender youth is between 20 and 40%. Violence tends to take another 20%. I spent 30 years praying for God to help me. I spent years praying I would not wake up in the morning because I could not face another day. I cried myself to sleep at night afraid I would wake up again to a life that was a living hell. It is a level of emotional pain you cannot understand. God would not ease that pain because I am what I am supposed to be. The answer is I am the way I am because it was his choice for me to be this way and who am I to argue(Rom 9:20-21). God does not make mistakes and a transgendered or intersexed child is not a mistake. It is simply a child. I am not saying to indulge or spoil the child but support and love it. Learn what it means to be transgendered or intersexed then you can work towards an understanding. Love and acceptance is the key. Jesus accepted me. Why can't you?
Best wishes,
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has2speakView March 24, 2009
Confused i just have to speak here on this specific subject the information you got is DEAD WRONG I have biblical proof transgenderism is NOT an abomination in the eyes of the lord "God tests everyone, and he is testing me by putting me in the wrong body. The body is just flesh, carnal in nature, my soul is what shall live for ever. A female soul. God supports modifying your own body to make your soul at ease. 'If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out.' Matthew 18:9″.
I hope that helps beacause if you act on the incorrect advice you were given you would not help your child get to heaven but ensure they wouldn't beacause children with GID (gender identity disorder, or more commonly know as transgender) who tell there parents, and the parents accept, live happy fufilled lives, but the ones who are disowned and hated have an immensly increased change of commiting suicide, and that is a sin, is it not? god is just testing your child, beacause I am also transgendered, he is testing my faith beacause most people could not understand why a great being would do that, he is testing all transsexual's faith! if you help your child they will love you for it and will trust you in just about ever situation, there are many sites that will help your child get through stages, and a few more tips transsexuality comes with many things, fear, extream paranoia, but most importantly compation for your fellow humans, and by the way even though I am transgendered I am very religious, probably more that my mom and trust me this is not a choice, if it were I would Choose not to have this, its an unfortunate thing to have. I hope your new daughter blossoms into a beautiful woman.
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View March 29, 2009
Dear Amber,
As per your request during our email exchange, I am posting the following links to websites that scentifically investigate transgender and specifically transsexuality. The research done has been by notable scientific researchers in the fields of biology and neurology. All studies listed have subsequently been independently verified.
The point of this is simple. Transsexuality is not a religious issue unless the sufferer makes it one. It is not a lifestyle choice and rooted in biology. The solutions are not spiritual nor are the psychological although psychology (with an informed and responsible practitioner) plays a significant role in treating transsexualism.
This one is to the study conducted by Dr. Eric Villain of UCLA. His results were independently confirmed in Australia with the results of that second study released in 2008.
The following study was conducted by Dr. J-N Zhou of the Netherlands. This was the first significant study in that it not only identified neurological differences in transgender but also ruled out other factors. Studies subsequent to his have also confirmed the findings. It is noteworthy that the nuerology of the Male to Female transsexual is nearly that of a natal female, and the nuerology of the Female to Male transsexual is similar to that of a natal male.
Numerous social studies have also revealed that the incidence of homosexuality within the transgender community is no different than that of the population at large. In other words, it is relatively small. The incidence of transsexuality is very small (with wide ranging statistics) but assuming it is at 1% of the population then 6 to 7% of that population would fall into the category of homosexuality. This is a very insignificant number that is often sensationalized through omission of fact to make a point in opposing transsexuality.
There is currently a major study being launched in Ontario Canada through the Trans Pulse Project that will be the largest of its kind ever undertaken. Trans Pulse is comprised of a number of medical, social and academic groups. This study is currently under review by the Ethics Committees of the University of Western Ontario and will be started this year. It will likely be 2 years or so after completion before any data will be released.
The following links are to the websites of two leading psychologists in the treatment of transgender health.
The following link is to the World Professional Association for Transgender Health which is the "governing" body comprised of professionals from around the globe. It also publishes the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care which is the guidelines used for treatment of transsexualism. You can read the text of the Standards of Care on their site. This is used by every surgeon performing genital reconstructive surgery. The patient MUST meet these standards anywhere in the world.
Lastly, I would like to point you to the website Ontario Human Rights Commission and their assessment of the social aspects of transsexuality.
As one who is transgendered (transsexual to be exact) I have a bias of course, but I am deeply committed to educating others just as I am spiritually committed and committed to my marriage.
I believe the advice given was extremely poor based upon a lack of knowledge in this area. I hope these parents find this post and my own website to get better educated so they can perhaps save their precious daughter who is also a child of God.
Peace and Love
London, Ontario
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sk8board dudeView April 9, 2009
I know what you should do …
give it to him not a sex change no give him a face change
hit him so hard it changes his face and then see if his still
wants a sex change
he was born a dude god wants him to stay a dude!!!!
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I can't believe how arrogant and ignorant some of you "Christains" are.
1st of, if any of you had a shread of knowledge about what it's like to be gay, you'd know it wasn't a choice. One of my closest friends is gay. Life hard for him. He needs to put up with this ignorance from you midevil baffoons day in and day out. Plenty of times I've had him crying in my company because of the pressure. And his own sister says the same as some of you here: "It's a choice". It is definately not a choice. He has said time and time again, in histerics, that if it was a "CHOICE" he'd have never chosen to be Gay. Think of it this way, how would all the straight poeple here feel if society looked down on all hetrosexuals as if homosexualism was the norm. It wouldn't be nice expecting to "mate" with the same sex. This is the same sort of pressure you are putting on homosexuals.
Again, I cannot stress this enough, IT IS NOT, I SAY NOT!!, A CHOICE. And anyone who says so here, doesn't have an ounce of experience or knowledge on the matter.
This, throwing around the bible as if it cures all, and that you know everything on it, is so so so damaging. On almost all the topics this "Christian" talks about.
Read the holy book, take what YOU read from it, NOT what organised religions and churches try to instil in you. That was one of the true messages of the lord. Hypocrites!. An this woman, and everyone else here going on how it's Satan and that God detests it (or to that effect), ARENT YOU BREAKING A COMMANDMENT??? Thow shalt not create God in my own image. None of you here are anywhere near enough qualified to judge.
It people like this what gives Christianty a bad name.
Seek help from a Dr, and people from the relavent fields. Not some Religous nutter that thinks the Bible is a cure for everything when it is nothing more than MORAL guidance. Especially when so much ignorance is being shown. And as stated, you find those morals yourself, not by what any church says. Before you all make things so much worse.
No wonder the rest of the world sits and laughs at America. Some people really are that stereo typical "Stupid American".
This is not religion, this is an abomination of it, and it's taken to the extreme. Like in the midevil days when "What the church says, goes", even if that ment tremendous suffering. No different here. And, there are obviously some out dated parts of the bible that should not be taken literally, so I plead to you all to show some compassion and give the same leway to Homosexuals as you would to the passage that says in holy book that gives you permission to sell your daughter as a slave girl. What happened to loving everyone, even your enemies. You are not to judge. Only god is qualified. So, stop being so so so hypocritical and start acting like real christians!
I take of my hat to the gay and transgender comunity. Far far far more guts and bravery than any of these weak, shep of the churches, judgemental hypocrites. Hold your head up high, for they'll be judged also, and disobaying a direct commandment would probably be far more punishable than being who you are!
My 2P for all to read.
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On proof reading my post, I apologise if I indirectly sound as though Homosexual and Transgenders are the same.
Obviously, they are not the same thing.
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"I'm truly offended by your words, ma'am. Racism pains my heart, and I love all people. I am not scared of homosexuals and Bible thumper is a bigoted term."
Yeah, well I'm truly offended by YOUR words as well. Just like how YOU don't like being labeled a racist, I don't either. Oh, and if racism "pains your heart", then how do you explain this quote of yours regarding Mexicans:
"When will learn and CLOSE THE BORDER DOWN to these non-English speaking germ spreaders. We need more armed civilians at our border, keeping these biological terrorists out of our nation. Now they carry the germseed of Satan themselves and are putting our children at risk."
You do NOT love all people. If you "loved" homosexuals, you would respect who they are, instead of contributing to their suicide rate by saying hateful things such as "burn in the lake of fire"
You also do NOT love women. In a quote of yours from the thread entitled "Is it OK For A Christian Husband to Gently Beat His Wife?" you believe in disciplining wives as one might discipline a dog. Here's the quote.
"If your wife talks back or complains about cooking supper, you just give her a light little tap. "No.", so she knows she is out of line and in great danger."
That is incredibly sexist and degrading. I would rather shoot myself than marry a man such as yourself who believes that a husband has the right to discipline his wife as though she were an animal.
In that same thread, you also said:
"When a woman marries a man, she becomes a gift unto the man just as a man was made as a gift unto God."
Women are NOT property, and if you maintain that negative attitude towards women, don't be surprised when your future wife pulls a "Burning Bed" on you.
You also said this:
"Why are you meddling in a men's discussion when you should be busy seeing to your kids and husband?"
And you are also not an egalitarian, because you believe that women are stupid and that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry.
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LOL. I understand. Quite simply, he's intollerant. And doesn't understand that there's more than just one culture.
He's a tube, almost as bad as Amy herself. I've just read and posted on her Chinese article. Complete and utter waste these people.
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Chris WeirView April 27, 2009
Adam, Face it, you simply don't have the intelligence to actually engage in any conversation here.
You go on about intollerance, it's you who cannot tollerate people calling their children what they wish. Hyprocrite.
You can't seem to get it into your skull that one having affection for their own culture has nothing to do with nationalism. Hence, where is the entire point in your argument about it creating division.
I'm a Scot, and I'm proud to be Scottish. I'm also very proud to be European, and support the EU. And I look forward to the day when the Earth unites as a whole and I can be proud to be part of it. People from different backgrounds, even in the same country have different cultures. Where do you think the American culture came from? do you think it just popped up over night? It was a mixture of different cultures from around the world. The USA didn't get the nick name "mixing pot" for nothing. And its a good thing, but people have the right to name their kids what they want. You on the other hand want to prevent them from doing so.
She didn't say nothing about Nazism, thats something you created, because you simple couldn't understand what she said.
You truely are pathetic. You know, you don't preach god. All you do is judge, and try to restrict people from doing what they want to do, or be who they are. Be it Homosexuals, Transgender, or Blacks naming their kids what they want. Your the racist here wanting to put restrictions on what Blacks can name their kids. I'd like to see your reaction if the USA restricted what you called your kids.
You have something in the USA called Freedom of speech. What comes with that is something very important, and thats the need to have thick skin, because not everybody will have your own same view point. That includes your hypothetical (or real, I can't remember from reading) story about the kids being named after German Names. In my opinion, you have to have thick skin, or quite simply, you don't have the capacity to excersice your right to free speach. OH, and another little bit of information for you, Adolf is a very popular in some parts of europe. Not because it is to honour Adolf Hitler (who is truely evil) but simply because it is a popular name in those countries. Just like how george is still a common name today, yet it was King George the III that brought the plague, on purpose, to the USA as a Biological weapon which was evil in my eyes. Using your logic, you shouldn't name people george.
Then again, I don't think you even know what your own logic is and you'll probably be lost by the time you read down to here. The fact that you could never answer claires questions in the thread that she provided the transcript, or my points previous, just puts you in the same league of pre-school kids.
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Chris somewhere in England
My, This has been an entertaining 15 minutes reading all this… I'm not quite sure where thre is space for me in the subject to add anything…..
Lets start with Adam's assertion
"The Bible says gay is caused by sin and I'm pretty sure Jesus told us all to not be sinners. Point."
But Jesus was pretty quiet on being gay, or indeed with being transsexual, which as many have stated , is an entirely different thing to being gay – The one point of connection being that both are persecuted.
The bible was written by MEN 300 years after the life of Jesus. As such it should be granted as much authority as a book I might write about the life of George Washington (assuming I studied his life a bit first!). It was also written by men who wanted their ideas to spread, so it made sense to come down against homosexuality since the easiest way to spead ideas is to teach them to your children, which requires procreation.
Is being gay or Trans a choice? Evidence available to me is that it isn't for many, might be for others* but to my mind it doesn't matter. If a person lives a fruitful life with a partner / in a body with whom/which they are comfortable, then why should anyone else be bothered? Beats me.
*Before people on my side of the argument harange me for this, I have made personal choices in this area which I'm not going to divulge just here, but have basically led to me being celebate.
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If I'm not me, then who am I?
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Sin child?? How dare you, on your crusade of spreading hate. That is very small minded of you, you should not call youself a Christian. When did Christ ever lead a crusade in the workings of hate? Never! If you were anything close to a human being or anything close to christ, which all christians should aspire to be like, then you would rethink your hateful advice, seek some professional help for YOURSELF, and get a life.
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"Just look at how that lady named Claire treats minorities and Christians on this site, telling blacks to stick to 'their own culture' and threatening to bludgeon Christians."
I never said that blacks should stick to their own culture. I repeatedly said that they should have the RIGHT to do so if they please. And Adam, I said that I would gladly bludgeon YOU into a pool of blood, not all Christians. Last time I checked, all Christians weren't ignorant, homophobic, sexist uncle-fuckers named Adam Nelson.
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ms,claudia hillmanView May 8, 2009
I am a beautiful transsexual woman and a christian.transsexuals are not homosexuals.I am a woman who was born with a birth defect.It is sad your church is so ignorant and prejudiced.It is obvious you have no life.religion wasnt designed to hate people.I am more of a woman then you will ever be.
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little weedView May 13, 2009
ask him would he rather sit on the loo or stand and pass water
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aimeeView June 14, 2009
your stance on transsexuality and homosexuality is appaling, I find it hard to believe that jesus would agree with your outlook. Ignorance can be found anywhere, even among those who consider themselves to be "good" christians. shame on you and your replies to very serious issues.
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ShellieTView June 15, 2009
Im not that sure…
10% of people experience "ungodly desires" that own up to it. Only the good lord really knows how many homosexual people exist that haven't owned up, not that I see myself as queer. Just in possession of some stuff that's kinda not becoming of a lady.
Then again… Maybe I'm totally wrong.
Or maybe multiple universities collaborated to get extra funding for a "Earth shattering discovery" by making this discovery for the umpteenth time. I may even just be making this up! Hey… According to the statements here, I'm "Ungodly" just coz He gave me some junk I cant stand the sight of!
Not likely.
More importantly, in the context of transgenderality, in it's true form, exists in various extremes of expression in about 1% of the universe that God created. And Im not talking about guys who like to play the part on a Saturday nite (Thats the other 10% Ive referred to) , Im talking about true Gender Dysphoria. I draw a line at Gay, Im not. Simply, because of God's will, I'm a Gal in a boys body. Simple enough really, GODS WILL!
Sure, it's easy enough to write it all off as " A Lifestyle choice" but how does a child of 2 years of age have an understanding they may be male or female beyond that that exists within their own limited understanding of the physical difference between the two and what it all means? (don't forget, we're talking 2 yr old's, they don't "really get" boy bits and girl bits the way grown up's do). And I know for a fact I'm not the only one that has had this experience in life.
Ukltimately, my view of the Darwinian universe as it stands under the concept of God is that He created all. And even without Darwin, still,her created all. It has grown. That was His intention. It all takes it's own life without Him "correcting" it. He just wants to see "what happens". Kinda like a kid with an ant farm. But with a higher purpose. And that isn't worrying about whether someone should frock up or not
Genetically, it has been shown that a hold up in a chemical transaction in the womb at the moment that a human embryo transitions from female to male causes a differentation in this transition. All embryos begin as female, they may or may not become male. By the same token, this misalignment can also result in the sense of I.D. being male and the physical characteristics being female. Ultimately, this process is beyond any other person than God. It is He who decides when and how or if this occurs. When it does, it's in our genes. And last time I looked, the only truly successful gene manipulator was God.
So as far as I can see it, I'm proof that the universe is "working to design". I also don't believe in a vengeful Father, we are all His children, we are what we are.
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JimView June 20, 2009
If my son had a sex change, I'd beat him. Call him a dirty faggot, a poor Christian and tell him how much the good Lord hates him and his new girl parts. I'd murder him in his sleep too; like any good christian father would do.
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I do understand the reasoning behind your advice,even though I completely disagree with it. IE you see it as a behavior and not a medical condition. If this were true, then why after corrective therapy and treatments by faith healers do people still kill themselves? Is this because they're still "being exposed to the homosexual media"? I have noticed that there has been an ever increasing attitude from people who are and aren't Christians of "they're abominations", which leads to "and they should die". Well, as a Christian, I find it completely unacceptable to discount the fact that whether or not we agree with people, they are still indeed people. I believe that your response at least to the mother of the transgendered individual is at best riddled with what you may have read from leading Christians who would call themselves experts on all things medical, yet base all their so called knowledge on speculation and personal biased opinion, and worse case scenario it may even be your own prejudice and speculation on the subject. Where's the scientific evidence here? And for that matter, Harry Potter is a work of fiction. Really, I think we need to spend less time judging and bullying people (which in the case of transgender individuals leads to depression and suicide), and to do as Christ said to love one another as he has loved us.
more specifically,
"if we say we love God, but hate others, we are liars. For we cannot love God, whom we have not seen, if we do not love others, whom we have seen."(1 John 4:20 TEV)
Basically, what I'm saying is while I understand that you don't necessarily agree with people who are transgender, I am very disappointed that you didn't at least take some time to educate yourself on the subject from a medical point of view before writing it as through you were an authority. It's the same rationale that would say for people with mental illnesses to go off their medications because they don't need them if they have enough faith. Or for that matter, the same rationale that would dictate that autism can be cured like some bacterial infection when indeed it is a different wiring of the brain.
Well, just saying that unless people can rewire the brain physically (which they CAN'T) that maybe there should be a little less of trying to force people to change who they are, and a little more acceptance of them.
Now, I'm not saying that they're one and the same, but I am saying that lack of education in history has lead to burning of people at the stake for being different. People who argued scientific and mathematical formulas that we today accept as true were often shunned by society as eccentric or weird.
We used to think the earth was flat. Well, today we know it's round.
We as humans tend to prosecute and judge what we don't understand or can't tolerate. Christians are guilty of being hypocrites when it comes to Christ's greatest commandment. God will judge, and we shouldn't be shaking our finger at everyone. Do we follow our own advice? Well, I want to be able to say yes, but if anything, I'm not going to lie. Of course, I don't. I try to be accepting, but I know there's a person that pisses me off and I tell them to shove it where the sun doesn't shine, and I wonder why I ever bother.
I'm sorry if this seems a bit on the harsh side, minus the a bit part, but I'm just trying to tell you that none of us are blameless, and if I were a parent with a child who was born male on the outside, but had a female brain, well I would rather have a living daughter than a dead son. I see the hate and murders all carried out by people claiming to do "God's work", and it makes me really sad. God is going to tell us all we messed up big time, so we had better start praying and getting along in our assemblies and for the love of all that is decent, stop making our churches "exclusionary clubs" where the unwashed masses aren't allowed in. Who do you think Jesus was around? the pharisees and the converted? No. He was around those who needed compassion and mercy and the people weren't giving it to them.
I will pray for you, and I hope that you realize that hatred is not God. God is love.
Gabriel Peloponnakos
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What a great name. Gabriel means 'God is my might' and there is surely nothing mightier than the wrath of God upon sinners who support Satan with their immoral lifestyles. I pray all gays and people who deny their true gender have happy lives, but in their heart they pray to do the bidding of God. The Bible makes God's points of view on this issue very, very clear, in both the new and old testament.
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"What a great name. Gabriel means 'God is my might'"
Way to go on sucking his balls, Adam.
"I pray all gays and people who deny their true gender have happy lives"
So then why are you hellbent on making them miserable with your hateful words?
"The Bible makes God's points of view on this issue very, very clear, in both the new and old testament."
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It doesn't matter if you believe the truth of the Bible or not. You're going to bow later if you don't bow now.
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Bullshit. Now go bow down to Dan's cock.
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i went to both a Christian school and a public school and my personal experience there was more sex & drugs in the Christian school then the public school..
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BTW i went to both a Christian school and a public school and there was more sex/drugs/violence in the Christian school then there was public…
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JohnView September 18, 2009
I really think you need a good fuck!
Because you're fucked up in the wrong way! You give fucked up advices!
If you get a good fuck you will find heaven!
Think! You don't loose anything… you can always repent and wash your sin away, but you won't. hehe
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SabrynaView November 22, 2009
You really dont know what you are talking about and the boy in the first article needs to be examined by a medical dr. I was proclaimed to be a boy, by the dr's and my parents, at birth. They said I had a very small penis and my testicles had not dropped yet. They said my parts would catch up at puberty. Well, as a went through childhood I rejected the role of a boy. I did not want to be called a boy and was very girly. I told my mom on many occasions I wanted to be a girl.My parents did everything they could to make me manly but it only made my life miserable. At 11 I started to develop breast and hips. Guess what? My testicles never dropped. Turns out I didnt have any, but there was rudimentary ovarian tissue. The scrotal sac I had turned out to be labial skin that was fused together. At the age of 12 my mom finally came around and allowed me to stop being a miserable "boy" and to start living as a girl. Now at the age of 30 I have never been happier. Had they taken your advice, where would their "little boy" be today?
By the way, this is me. [img]http://www.observer.com/files/full/morgan_4.jpg[/img]
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You are so lucky to find who you really are. If more could do this the world would be happier.
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Lostinthe Coldreplied:View February 22, 2010
I have to say that I have led a somewhat miserable life as a boy as well. I was always jealous of the girls at school, they got to act and wear what I wanted to. I was a very meak and mild mannered boy, my mother wore tights on me as a toddler, then took them away suddenly at about age five which totally destroyed me. I couldn't understand why I was not allowed to wear the clothes I loved so much and that felt so good on my body. I had done nothing wrong. So for years afterwards I secretly wore my mothers panties and tights whenever I was alone at home and I loved it. I wished I could have worn them all the time, but my mother would not have it. I am now in my mid twenties and I have no true direction in life. I choose to do things for my own pleasure only. In my teen years I went through a stage of extreme anger and hate, wanted to take my own life and at the same time kill everyone who was different, and all because my hairless body was changing into a hairy mans body faster than I ever imagined possible. I couldn't imagine being a hairy old man, now I am on my way there and trying to deal with it. Now I do want a family, however I am still dealing with thoughts of my gender, should I have been raised a girl? I love women, and I'm not interested in being with another man, but I just have this feminine side that I have totally repressed over the years and it has been very unhealthy for me. I still have a great amount of anger bottled up inside that I was not freely allowed to experiment and find 'myself'. Amber your advice could lead people to a very unhappy life and they could do very nasty things simply because of being repressed, you should refer people like this family to a psy. and not give your blind opinion. I felt like I was all alone, and in some ways still do.
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sabrynareplied:View December 3, 2010
lostinthe cold, my heart goes out to you. If only you could have been my child you would not have had to face the misery of becoming a hairy man. I can never have a child of my own but one day i want to adopt a child that needs the love and understanding that i am uniquely able to offer. With me as her mother she will never have to question her future. Life for her will be grand.
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View December 3, 2010
Wait, so you're claiming that is you in the picture?
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Daniellereplied:View March 31, 2010
Dear beautiful Sabryna, I am so happy for you. You are lucky to have the understanding parents you have. Who knows where you would have ended up if you would have had to continue to live the charade of trying to be a boy when you clearly are not. I have a 10 yr old daughter, myself. Up until last summer we thought that she was just a very tender hearted little boy that would end up coming out as gay in his teen years. Thats when i finally figured out from all the signs that she wasn't a boy at all. Yes she has a penis but she is a girl through and through, and now that i am aware of who she is I can help her down the path to becoming a vibrant, happy ,well adjusted young lady. I just showed her your post and her eyes lit up at the sight of your picture. You are a wonderful person with a great story witha happy ending and you make a great role model for my sweet princess, Chloe.
thank you for sharing.
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Danielle, Kudos to you and your daughter Chloe. I applaud you. My heart goes out to you. Chloe, I wish you the best of luck.
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Rebeccareplied:View December 5, 2011
I know it has been a while since you posted, Danielle, but I just wanted to tell you how wonderful of a person you are, and let you know that I have a special daughter as well whom I was blessed to be able to raise. I became aware of who she was at the age of 10 and by the age of 11 she was living full time as a girl. At the age of 13 she started hormone blockers and now, at the age of 17 she is preparing for, what she refers to as: "the greatest gift her mom could EVER giver her", gender reassignment surgery, scheduled for 2 days after her 18th birthday.
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Beccareplied:View June 25, 2010
Dear Sabryna, Thank you for sharing your story. You are and amazing and wonderful person. I don't have any children yet, but i plan to someday. When I do i hope I can be as wonderful a mother as yours. I would never want a child to be born in your situation but if it were to hapen to a child of mine I want to be able to be as strong and understanding as your mom. You and your mom are an inspiration. thank you, Becca
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it's me or you didnt even have adam's apple neither ???
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On a side note a lot of people had difficulty with this issue I had a Friend who well were actually a Girl with a how can I said a Man thought
if you wnat My opinion the gender is inside our head and not inside our body of coruse inside our Body helps but nevertheless if our mind decide to act boy or girl it will
Like I mentionned earlier sabryna seems not having adam's apple which prove that she is actually female but nevertheless we all have "both gender" nevertheless in our thought and not its not gay or Homosexual
lets take for exemple Guys when you are with your Girlfriend you feel romantic you feel everything she does or everything she wants cute My friend has a Girlfriend and he said hellokitty is cute well it's cute for his Girlfriend but saying hello kitty is cute is Girlish what I mean is we all have Both gender side
yopu ever saw movie with car in it there is a lot of sexy Girl in those movie but some of those sexy girl actually know more about the car than guys does are they tomboy no they just like that like I said we Have Both Gender and actually it's make us somewhat "closer to perfection" of course I talk Mind wise not sexually wise
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Davidreplied:View July 25, 2010
Dear beautiful Sabryna,
Are you single?
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Why those shoes girl yuk
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Fuck youView November 22, 2009
8 months later, has your son gone crazy and shot up your house and raped your wife, then got the sex change?
That's normally what happens when you listen to Amber.
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dear redneck incestuous sister-loving chrstian white supremacy hate group
as a lesbian lady trapped in a mans body, i feel qualified to comment on this. can i have his number???;)
its obvious to me that his hate mongering "so called" christian father is an asshole. i mean what the hell?! so he likes boys…so do most "christian" catholic priests. tell the stupid redneck to sell his white christian porn, man up, and be a dad. then maybe his son wouldnt want to be a girl. look at george bush…he was a cheerleader at yale…and y'all love him!
remember… Satan loves you
xoxoxoxox Estaban
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i would just like to know what all of you think of tammy and jim baker and jimmy swagert??
3 highly regarded christian talkshow hosts. we all know what they did.. do they go to heaven?
p.s. Satan loves you
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Jenni S.View January 24, 2010
When i found this log I was infuriated by Amber's response to the father of the transgendered child. I then read all the posts and realize Amber is just a misinformed individual. Amber believes it's an abomination when in reality Jesus accepts ALL of his people EQUALLY.
This subject is very close to me as I am transsexual, M to F. I have had a very rough life and feel i may be able to give some food for thought with what I have been through.
I was born with male genatiles even though I always felt differently. Up to the age of 7 I always wondered why i felt different compared to the other kids. At 7 I saw a talkshow on ts mtf's and instantly my confusion was gone. Problem was even though the confusion was gone I knew I had to CHOOSE to keep my secret just that, a secret. Reason being, my father, who was solely raising me, was a drunken abuser and I feared for my life if I told him.
For the next 7 years i was constantly depressed and angry, because I was forced to live a lie. Then at age 14 I chose to make a decision and sent my mother a letter telling her of my delima and begged her not to tell my father. Unfortantly, my mother chose to tell my father over the phone. When he heard the news he confronted me with it. I told him I had written the letter when I was confused and said it was over. I prayed that he would accept it and let the issue go. Saddly that didn't happen. Instead he nearly beat me to death and told me, no son of his would do this and if he ever heard of it again he would END the problem for me. Emphasis on end.
After this happened I made the choice to hide my secret permanantly. By making this choice I became even more depressed. I would go on to join a gang, start doing drugs, drinking, and attempting suicide!!
After I turned 18 I moved to Phoenix to live with my brother. I would overcome many of my ailments, but never my depression. I did a great job of hiding my secret for the next 12 years. In those 12 years I went on to marry, have a child, help raise my 2 step-sons, and work on hiding my secret.
Then in July of 2008 I hit the wall. I got to the point where I only had 2 choices, tell my wife of my transsexualism or commit suicide. I chose to tell her. I fully expected her to become angry and leave me. To my surprise she accepted me as her wife. My children also accept me. Since then I have told my mother and brother, both accept.
The problem, though, is I have had to choose to remain "male" outside of the home for my family's sake. I am "female" at home. I am the only 1 who can work as my wife is disabled. I fear if I live my life as a woman my family will suffer, because of that choice. The way I see it I have suffered for 32 years so I know how to handle the suffering and don't want my family to suffer. Saddly I remain depressed.
So to wrap this up I would like to say to those who think there is a choice to be transgendered, gay, etc… your right. The choice is to be who God made you or be someone He didn't and suffer. I have chosen to suffer for the love of my family. So when you see a tg, gay, or whatever don't hate them. Instead realize they are only CHOOSING to be who God CHOSE them to be.
God Speed and Peace
Jenni S.
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Found the real light of the worldView February 22, 2010
I have a short story from my life for you as well as some of my belief's, I hope you will be accepting of them. I will start by saying that I am now 26 years old. I was raised a Roman Catholic. My mother and father were both Catholic as werew their parents. My mother and father were a couple for almost forty years, and were never married. I was their only child. Like my father I do not attend services regularly anymore. My father stopped for reasons other than mine, but not that different really.
My mother and father were to be married, but his family put a stop to it, and even found out about their plans to elope. Neither of my parents were monsters from a different planet, nor were they bad people, just average really. My father's family is very old fashioned and superficial. My father was forced to go to a catholic boarding school to 'reform' him, his mother wanted him to become a priest – the farthest thing from his mind – so he ended up ruinning away and later only returned home because of his father's death. He was a child that rebelled and his mother ruled with an iron fist, while his father drank. Dad was scarred for life by whatever they did to him at this reform school and he would never tell me what really happened, but he did cry about it when he would drink so I know it was not good because it took an awful lot to make him cry.
I do not follow any particular church at the moment. I attended a Baptist service recently and found it very enlightening, but I think we should all experience each others services, I am not for any one church, and believe that all should be harmonized and simplified. We are all in this together, to look out for one another, and should not let anything get in the way, hate, greed, jealousy, power, etc.
I do not follow one faith anymore for a number of reasons. Having just lost my father and immediately afterwards half my family cutting ties with me upon his death, simply because I was born out of wedlock. I was left out of the write up on the funeral that was posted in the local newspaper, even though I had written and read aloud the prayers at the church. You see I am considered a Bastard child in their eyes and I can do nothing to change that. I did not choose this, nor did I want i, but God knew that I did not belong with them. I believe that this was his way of separating them from me. My father's four sisters took advantage of my father when he was near death in the hospital, having his sign a will drafted by a friend of theirs that is a lawyer, witnessed by two daughters of the beneficiaries. One daughter is an accountant, the other is a nurse in the hospital! There are a number of different dates on the will which have been changed and not initialled, the will itself was only signed on the last page by my father, not every page, so how can you be sure he actually read and understood any of it? he might have thought he was signing off on medical treatment, considering he was on heavy drugs and undergoing severe medical proceedures, lacking sleep and barely able to speak a word, let alone dictate a will.
I have accepted that my father's side of the family is very hypocritical and not really people I want to associate with anyway and I am moving on with my life. How can they stand there and judge me? The sisters have a daughter who is a closet lesbian, another married a jewish man who they still dislike to this day (they had to elope) and two of the sisters are divorced! Yet they attend church services at least 1-3 times per week, volunteer and appear to be upstanding people. No one would imagine the skeltons in the closets! Alcholism, drug and physical abuse, the list goes on. Yet my mother and I are hated for being ourselves and living our lives in an open and caring manner as the lord had intended. The family saw fit to have him sign this will on his death bed, which is only detailed in giving them virtually everything he owned, including his house. My mother was left out completely. I was to get a small amount of his belongings and money. The most glaring omission to my mother and I was that my father had always insisted on being creamated, yet his wishes were not mentioned in this will and were not honoured. The mere suggestion by me of this raised all hell with the family, and having no legal grounds I was powerless. He is now burried inthe ground, in a place he hated with his mother who hated me. My father loved me and no one can ever take that away from me, no matter how much they try. We grew closer as I got older, he was always proud of me and my accomplishments, but never did I get any real feeling or expression of love from any of the rest of my father's family. After his death I was even sent a hate letter by a far off adopted relative for my challenging the will and his burial! There was no end to their web of lies and hate. They manipulated the situation totally to their advantage, or so they thought. The defining moment was when they realized that they could not access any of my fathers investment, pension, death benefits, etc. He had named everything to me previously as he set up each account, they were unable to touch this and ultimately my father and I had a good laugh at them for this. His house, and belongings are still up in the air. I have not backed down on the dispute of this will, it is false and I must prove it out in court or fail trying. I will not back down unless someone can prove to me that everything my father ever said to me and my mother was a lie.
This has been a defining moment in my life, I am no longer the same person, I am in fact a better person. Like a phonix from the ashes I believe that all people must endure such tests in life and find the true path forward. I have gone through all the emotions, from shock, sadness and depression to anger and hate – leading to the acceptance that these people hate me and they will never change. I am better off away from them, they do not seek to do me anything but harm. They perch themselves on high, when in faxct they are the most afraid of the end.
I am a believer that what doesn't kill you will make you stronger, but only if you keep looking on the bright side. Since experiencing all this trauma I must admit that I am able to better recognize the hypocrites of the world, and there are many! That has a great deal to do with why I do not attend church services anymore, it seems like almost half of the people there are there because they have something to be worried about when they die, they are praying for their soul, fearing damnation. I am glad they are afraid, that is their punishment for being two faced and deciteful. If you have a problem be out with it, face it, deal with it, do not hide it and let it fester.
So my message is that if this were my child I would approach it like this: Firstly you should love your child no matter what. Even if he believes that he should have been born a girl or wants to be raised a girl. If you want to look at this as a challenge from God, then do so, but never blame him or seek to repress this it will only breed much worse problems down the road. Work with him to help him find his path in life, even if it runs against your beliefs, as long as he is not breaking the law, then he is free to explore his options in life. Remember, God will do the judging, not you. Bring him to doctors, have him talk with them about his feelings, perhaps it is a short lived thing, perhaps not. If not you will have to accept him as he is, and help him to redefine who he is, even if that means becoming a girl. Emotional health is paramount to the rest of your life. Childhood should be happy, not something to be looked back at and thought of as painful or upsetting. By suggesting and guiding him with professional help and ultimately letting him choose his own path without force-fed idology, he will have found his true path and be happy with his body and life. Slight guiding pressure is one thing, that is parenting, but some of the heavy handed suggestions I have read in a few posts here would only see to it that he became even more confused in later life.
No matter what YOU do to him, the child will simply have to figure out in his own mind what and who he is. Peer pressure very early on might work to some degree, but it could also totally drive him the other way and simply cause him to hide it from everyone, making it even more embarrassing and harder to change later in life. So to the parents; I do urge you to seek out professional (and unbiased) help. Speaking as a reformed bigot (had a few teenage years I can't be proud of) – judge not lest ye be judged!
It never stops amazing me how carma comes back and bites hypocrites and other evil doers in the ass! God is watching, so be out with it, deal with it and move on toward a better tomorrow. Love before hate, for it is easy to hate. The real light of this world is us, we are only as happy as we choose to be, and through our actions we can spread love and happiness to all the world, without making it a religious or profitable venture. Kindness can have no bounds, do not constrain it to your particular ministry's work or your particular belief or faith, expand it and make it encompass your daily life and actions. Do not force your faith or belief's on others, do not go door to door preaching, people do not always take well to preaching and most do not listen. Actions speak louder than words. Love and help others, and you will find true happiness, I have and I do not conscribe to any one faith.
P.S. – Judgeing You – I see a good amount of judgemental people and topics on this site, is this a godly place, or not? Dwelling on some of these things only makes them and the evil behind them more powerful, God recognizes that and so should we. Shock-value seems to be the deciding factor in our current society.
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… This is the problem with religions…
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You know, I know I shouldn't lower myself to say what I am about to say. I know that what I am about to say to her will not change anything nor will it do anyone any good, but…
Fuck you Amber, you stupid igorant bitch. Yes, I lowered myself to use such language just for people like you. You are no different than those parents who deny their kids the right to medical treatments because it happens to go against their religious teachings.
As mentioned in my past posts, people used to die from pneumonia in the past until the advancement of medical science was able to treat the illness. Can you not open your mind and heart and see gender dysphoria as such as well? Isn't it is time to evolve and become really enlightened? Why do others have to suffer because of the fact that you see the world through a tunnel vision and your lack of humility to admit and realize that just because medical science cannot yet explain the cause of GD – that just because it is something us human cannot yet understand at this period of time – you have to go and assume that it is all of the sudden 'sinful' and wrong?
In many countries in the past, including Thailand, people used to believe that certain medical conditions that they could not explain at the time were caused by evil spirits. Do you know what they used to do to 'treat' those patients who may have just been suffering from schizophrenia or something even less serious at the time? They had witch doctors whipped the living heck out of those patients, some to the point of fatality.
Isn't it time we realize that we truly know nothing about anything, and that we need to really be humble about life? Don't try to ignorantly explain things you do not understand. It's just like that Simpson episode where fanboys were asking the writers of Xena the Warrior Princess about plot loop holes, or things that didn't make sense in the story, and the writers just gave a half-ass answer that it was the 'wizard' that did it. That may have been a bad example, but you get the idea. You pretty much did the same thing.
The very fact that you have categorized homosexuality together with gender dysphoria already shows how ignorant you really are. You know nothing and yet you feel you have the right to give serious advice about a very delicate issue to other parents. It's a choice we make? Was it your 'choice' also to have been born a woman? Do you know how many so-called closet homosexual Christian priests there have been in the past whose real sexual orientations have only been exposed in their private diaries after they have passed away?
DO YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO HAVE GENDER DYSPHORIA, YOU CONCEITED BITCH? Try to live a day in our shoes THEN tell me differently.
It seems I cannot stop ranting about your stupidity. It just pisses me off so much that we have people like yourself to put up with in this world. So their son has no right to worship Jesus because he desires to be the gender he believes he is? And again, you categorized him as being gay… A choice to be gay is the same as the choice to use cocaine? How fucking retarded are you?
If you are wondering why I am so hostile toward what you have said, it is because I had to put up with people like you since I was young and that was why I had to needlessly suffer for so long. One of the reasons why I could not deal with this issue until I am way past puberty was because of the fact that I had to run into so many like yourself in the past. Something has to change in this world, and people need to be more educated. People need to be more humble and compassionate about things they do not understand.
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Voodoo dollyView June 1, 2010
Have the sexchange f**k jesus and chrsitian ways there is no such thing as god and pearlygates in the sky its all boll*x live life as you want not by some stupid religon.
If anything worship satan his got alot more going for him and open minded unlike stuffy small minded christians with there judgemental ways tell people what to do and do this.. do that.. dont do that or your goto HELL !!!!.
Control thats all the christian faith is.
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MattView June 3, 2010
As a Conservative and a Christian, the advice given on the subject of Gender Dysphoria was the wrong advice. The child needs a psychological evaluation (which can be performed by a Christian Psychologist) to determine what the child is truly dealing with. If there son is found to have GENUINE Gender Dysphoria, then they should seek advice from there Pastor, Priest Etc. on how to counsel there child from a christian stance and also seek counsel from the psychologist (christian preferred) on what kind of care should be taken. Being stern with him will only push him away from his parents and God and may lead to possible "sexual deviations". He needs to be reassured he is loved by both God and his parents. Otherwise Both could loose him now and in eternity. He will forever need guidance, love and support for whatever lies ahead of him in his life, whether as a male or as a female.
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View June 3, 2010
Jesus, save me from your followers.
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JBView September 15, 2010
By him a ticket to Thailand. Hopefully, he'll be the same size as you so you can share clothes. You got a new shopping buddy.
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TalliaView November 23, 2010
Seriously, you're doing this as a joke, right? Using offensive and idiotic language and ideas to higlight the stupidity and inherent problems of extremism (in any belief, but in this case, Christianity). Right? Right?…
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TalliaView November 25, 2010
I have to confess, and get something off my chest. It turns out, I really am a mean person who enjoys laughing at and mocking poor mentally backwards unfortunates. But I just can't help myself…
I know it's wrong. I know that the right-wing extremists who write these articles, and respond inanely are actually just extremely ill-learned and mentally-disabled people. They need help (or perhaps a hand getting back to the mental institution they ran away from – oops, did I just say that? XD)
For me, this site is hilarious – whenever I'm bored, or feeling low, I pop over here. You can hear the sound of my laughter from miles away, apparently.
Now, let me just get some things clear – people are people (no matter their choices and genetic dispositions), being intelligent and informed is actually a good thing, all holy books contradict themeselves (I mean, shellfish? I don't think Leviticus was a very happy man…), masturbation is fun (though only do it when it's appropriate, people), and JESUS DOESN'T CARE.
We all need to have a bit more love, patience and respect, guys. I mean, no one's come to do away with the metally deficient authors of this site, have they?
(Possibly because they're just so much fun to laugh at… dammit!)
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SofiView January 3, 2011
Amber, I love you. You're so fucking cool! I'm an emo and I used to cut myself due to my depression, but since I met this website I've been laughing so much I'm too busy to cut myself. Thank you!
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There is clearly a bundle to identify about this. I'd love to many thanks for that efforts you have complete in writing this good post. I am hoping the matching best work from you sometime soon as well.
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This is quite a topic. I have wondered for years if once evangelized and saved where would I bring these converts to church in the United States?
AS for advice to the mother of the boy who wants to be a girl if you have the financial means to have genetic testing and complete physical examinations done to find if the child has a birth defect do so by all means.As you read through all of the comments in this forum you should be able to discern the type of people your child needs to be protected from. To answer your what should I do? Protect your child from ignorant mean people well meaning christians or not. Your child aand your family have enough to deal with. You don't need their bad advice adding to the confussion.
Now for those who are neither intelligent, nor spiritual this has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is a matter of gender disorder, or it is a matter of gender confusion.
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llllllllllllllllllView July 8, 2011
amber, you're the worst and most misguided part of christianity
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You're an insult to your name, "Anon".
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That Guy,
You are an insult to the entire wide wide world. Have a literal and fun day you mongoloid..
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I'm not an insult. I just like making fun of these guys.
Have a serious day, you literal.
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You just commited a grave sin, asking Amber for advice.
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Poe's Law
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I agree with Amber 100% here. You would honestly let your little boy go parading around in dresses and playing with dolls?
Do you think a school would approve of a liberal parent's Little Johnny show up in make-up, earings and a hooker's skirt, showing off his tramp stamp? The answer is no, even in public schools, and there is a reason for that.
It's not natural. It is not right.
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The needs to be back-handed
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Oh, just because it's not natural, you stomp all over that poor boy's dreams.
Nothing in the world is entirely natural. God never intended complete naturality. That's why we have freedom of choice, and he's just fine with that.
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Of course we all have free will. And just because your son has the choice to jump off a bridge into a pool of fiery lava, that does not mean you let him do it. For if he takes the plunge, he'll die and burn forever. You know where this analogy is going, and it's very relevant here.
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No one would be that stupid to jump in a pool of lava, you well know that. Oh wait, you don't. Because you're an idiot.
And no, your ANALogy is not relevant.
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That's a part of my point! No one would be so stupid as to jump off a bridge and into a pool of lava! Why?
We were designed to have a sense of self-preservation. It's why your body instinctively is programmed with pulling away from hot objects or immediately engages in a fight or flight response.
Now if a kid were to want to jump off a bridge, and into lava, we would see that kid is overcoming his design and prepared to make a dangerous choice for some reason. It is a parent's responsibility to correct their children when they override what they know is right, and engage in a dangerous or destructive behavior.
Confused in CA's teen is definitely making a dangerous choice. Just like with a kid who is about to stick a knife in an electrical outlet, the dad needs to give this kid a quick swat on the hand and make sure he realizes that his choice is bad and will bring harm and death to himself.
If the kid does not take heed to the lesson as he gets older, more extreme care is needed. You would definitely question your 15-year-old son if he was still sitting around, trying to stick knives into electrical outlets!
The double-analogy is that if you let your kid lead a life of gay through adulthood, you're allowing him to choose to jump of a bridge and into lava as well. Except that the lava will burn for all eternity and you'll be to blame for his fate.
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I only payed attention to the second paragraph. the rest was just your bigotry and religous intolerance.
Also, two things. One, it's up to God, not you, to judge people. So quit pestering the poor woman that her son's making a dangerous choice, since God respects him. And secondly, the last paragraph is moot, since Hell was not taught in the original Greek/Hebrew versions of the Bible, which all Bibles stem from.
Just for the record, I happen to STUDY Christainity and am a Christian myself, and I do not beleive in any of this racist, intolerant, chauvanistic crap you put on your website.
So do us all a favor and be an hero. As in, kill yourself. If Hell's real as you say, God's definately going to send you there for spreading lies.
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Some Dude
I respect other peoples beliefs, customs, and ideas, but is it so hard to be compassionate to your fellow man? You don't have to be anything to know that forcing people to put down their feelings, whether gay or lesbian or transgender, is just WRONG. Get some sense and realize there are things that are genetic, and if you REAAAAALLY don't want to see more people like these, then let them do their thing and IGNORE THEM DAMNIT.
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Thank you, I'm glad someone in here has a brain.
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Terry Egan
I too, Couldn't believe this was a serious advice site at first. Then I realised that if one person thought it was and took the advice offered herein, we'd have one more idiot three bricks short of a roof. If on the other hand, if it was a leg pull, then no real harm done by treating it as a serious comment. Better that than letting this nonsense pass for good advice. First of all, Christianity is Not against transexualism. Show me where in the New Testament it says thou shalt not change your sex! When Jesus (That's who Christianity is all about isn't it?) Spoke of "Eunuchs" in Matt19:12, He said "Let he who can receive it, have it!" Also Mark 9:47 Says that if thy right hand offendeth thee,
cut it off. Jesus meant get rid of that which you don't like about yourself. No one complains about the "sinfulness" of a breast reduction or liposuction or wart removal, or tumors, or lumps, or hair. Yet Change your "Physical" gender and all we hear is "God's gonna Get ya!" No He isn't! The operant word there is "Physical". The brain already has female structures. The surgeons are merely matching the body to the immutable brain. Brains are immutable? Yes in this case they are. For years, science and medicine had tried to cure transexuals with no success, Finally Dr Harry Benjamin said, If we can't change the mind let's change the body. This new method dealing with this ancient problem came to be known as SRS (Sex Reassignment Surgery) and it has an astounding success rate of 99%. It Works! Why argue with success? Instead leading morbid and depressed lives, people who suffer from this rare birth defect can now be helped. Instead of becoming suicidal and unhappy, they can now lead full and productive lives. One of the reasons you're reading this now is because of a TS woman named LynnConway (Google) who really did help to invent the internet (DARPA). There is a major investment company that has a TS woman who is in charge of a $8 Billion portfolio. Another, Dr Becky Allison is a Cardiologist (Dr Becky.com) (Google) There are TS sports stars, Drs, Lawyers, Airline Pilots, Psychologists, researchers, every field of endeavor has it's TS participants. We are not lowlifes hustling on street corners as some have portrayed us to be.
Please, Do a little research before you spout off on a subject.
Regards, Terry
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Wow, taking the high road there aren't we, friend. I remember a week or so ago, a member of this site emailed me after a poster named "Shockster" decided to go out of his way to call his face ugly. Now that was not very nice, was it? I assume you're the person who said the truly hurtful words?
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tanya lebowski
I can't help but ask. I want to know what amber thinks i should do.
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Sarah – I was reading your comment and had to say that your expectation presented me with a interesting thought to leave for Amber. So I will also address this comment to Amber.
Amber – If you do feel the need to erase or delete the posts of those of us that have expressed a slightly differing opinion .. you will proove two things in the eyes of those whom already have read these replies .. 1.) that you are afraid to see the possibility of a necessary alternative in SOME cases. 2.) That you are censoring opinions based on facts in some of our posts. Censoring because they differ from your personal opinion. I present a challenge to you to allow the posts to remain .. to proove that even in the face of differing opinion that you are willing to let not only your words advise someone but also the words of some of us whom have lived similar situation .. or whom have heard of the cases of both success and failure for all varying reasons for people whom do feel they are transgendered.
I will point out that while yes your opinions are based on what the Christian Faith teaches regarding issues of gender .. that same Faith also teaches that there should be tollerance of differences. As such I challenge you to accept the postings of differing opinions to allow Confused in CA a better chance of understanding how best to help his son by taking the son to a qualified therapist who will help the child sort thru confusion and better decide his future.
Note : I do not speak against you for your opinion and type of advice but rather I add to and amplify it with guidance that better helps the child. I can attest to how hard it is to grow up with gender confusion. As a intersexxed child I was operated on at a week old and my uterus ovaries and fallopian tubes removed and the vagina closed, then I was raised as a male who always knew they were female inside .. who was beaten by my father when I expressed any feminine side of myself. I myself went through the suicidal ideation often. And the only thing that got me through was a combination of therapy throughout my youth and teen years and the idea that one day I would rectify what dad did in that he chose the wrong gender in my case. 12.5 years ago I started the process to fix what was changed. In my case I no longer have a womb that was taken from me as a child, yet I told myself some day I can at least adopt. And some day I will when my monetary means will be great enough that I can raise a child without needing to be a burden on the state or federal just to help support said child. I came to know many who were transsexual and others who were intersexxed in my 43 years. I can tell you personally of a child I know of whoose mother thought that her son did not need therapy and the child not even a teen yet took upon himself to try to rectify his internal pain over gender by attempting to remove his own male parts with a garden sheers. Luckily the child was caught by the mom in time. She asked me on the phone finally where she could get a therapist that will deal with a child that is not even 7 yet … and I got her the number of a competant child psychologist. This child had never been exposed to a transgendered person prior to them telling their mom that they were a girl that they believed that God had made a mistake somehow. The mom had done nothing to encourage this happening to her child. But the child knew at 4 that they wanted to be a girl. Since therapy the child has been granted a partial request .. they agreed not to try to self harm if they were allowed to be a girl while at home. Their room is now pink themed and they are allowed to use girls clothing at home, but when they go out they must dress as a male. This compromise was granted as a test to see if indeed the child would no longer be depressed or self harming. In fact in their case the Mom has expressed that the child now has one of the brightest smiles shes ever seen, and one which was NEVER present before this. The therapist has stated that they will not allow recommendation of anything further for now but when the child reaches puberty if the condition persists that long then he will allow recomendation of a puberty blocker medication known as Lupron. However he wishes to have the child wait till they are at least 14 before recommending anything serious like hormones which would alter the childs gender appearance permanently. The idea here is that this allows the child time to still change their mind .. but averts the feelings of severe gender dysphoria. I am sure that some would say that allowing the child to dress as a girl at home and live as a girl in the home is wrong .. but considering the alternative of a suicidal self harming child the mom opted to allow this. As it stands now the child while not liking that they have to dress as a boy when outside the home .. has expressed that it was bearable now as they knew when they got home they could be who they really knew themself to be. Not all cases are severe enough to need something like what this child currently has for a home life but for some its a choice of that or death. While doctrine and Faith are clear on issues of gender roles, sometimes one needs to step outside the doctrines when dealing with a child and consider things that which if not considered result in negation of the childs life at their own hand. Consider if the childs mom had not caught them with the shears in time. Consider what would hae been the result .. bleeding to death. Thus while not necessarily attempting suicide the result might have been the same. In my on case I consider myself lucky to be alive now as I too had considered similar as a child. Unless you have lived the situation or similar .. you can not truly understand the internal anguish. I will point out that most transsexual and intersexxed persons do not wish they were transsexual .. most of us would give anything to not have been born different. Doctrine does not cover some things. No matter how much it may seem as it does. Would Jesus actually want one to suffer all their life riding a current of suicidal ideation often just slightly above actual successful suicide. No He would not. I will point out the even Christ himself stated that some Eunuchs (biblical term for transgender persons) have a place in His Fathers Kingdom. This in itself goes directly against an old testament doctrine stating that the removal of the testes prohibits one from entering the kingdom of God. Christ's meaning was that if a Eunuch was still a follower and believer they would enter His Father's Kingdom. Are we so unforgiving that we are not able to follow in Christ's example and accept those who are born different. Does not the same Bible direct "Judge not lest ye be adjudged of the Father." ? This basically means everyone we judge wrongly we will be held accountable for before the Father ourselves. I once had a minister present me with the gender question concerning clothing where he refered to the passage that states clearly what a man or a woman are to wear and not wear. But I presented him a conundrum in return. If a person is born with genitalia clearly representing both genders .. then if one takes literal the passage he referred to .. then the child could not wear anything, as either genders clothes would be in arrears of that passage. Then I pointed out that if a child is born with a brain which has a female sized BST which is the part of brain that governs gender .. yet their outer body is fully male, are they not likewise intersexxed. Part of them is male but arguably part of them indeed is female. That part being the very part that makes us what we are.. the brain itself. As such I asked him since that is what makes male to female transsexuals happen is it not true that the same bending of the doctrine that has to by law happen for intersexxed should in turn apply to that in the case of a MTF transsexual. He could not at first answer this puzzle I presented to him. Later he approached me (a few days later to be precise) and stated that some biblical doctrine is meant as guidelines but does not always cover all cases.
Again I will point out that I am merely expressing what I have experienced in this life myself and not attacking on anyones beliefs. I merely show that there are differences that need being acknowledged. For those who missed my previous post that wish to understand what I refered to by the BST please look at the following link : http://www.symposion.com/ijt/ijtc0106.htm which is a page from a actual medical journal dealing with brain gender and transsexuals.
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Why would you say that, friend? I may disagree, but I'm not an oppressive bigot. You should not be prejudice and make such assumptions, my friend. You're free to comment and ask questions, and even leave response articles as well.
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Wait, what?
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She is so beautiful. I just want to cuddle up and kiss her tenderly.
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CassieView April 13, 2009
Man, she is gorgeous! I think I'm in love.
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I am not sure how old you are, but perhaps it's time for you to approach your mother and father to discuss 'the birds and the bees'.
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I applaud you, good sir. Apparently these people don't know the difference between homosexuality and transgenderment. Neither of these voilate the Ten Commandments.
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Tyson Bowers III
And this is coming from a person who doesn't post their name, photo or email address.
Get a life and submit to God. The only reason you are here is because you feel the warmth and light from our words.
Pray child!
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You haven't posted an email address either.
You know, you can be an true hero if you kill yourself. I suggest you do it.
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Spoken like a true Christian.
Evolution and God also come hand-and-hand (which these "Christians" won't admit.). God created beings and animals with the ability to evolve and adapt to their surroundings as they cross into new environments. How do you explain the diversity of animals on this planet? Noah could not have fit over 100,000 species of mammal, bug, bird, reptile, or whatever (two of each kind, of course) on his ark. When the ark reached dry land, the animals were released, bred, and made more of their own offspring, which eventually spawned new species in later generations. Which explains the numerous unique species on this earth.
If any of you can find an intelligent way of proving me wrong, I'll eat my socks.
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It's not homogay, it's transgender. ANd you have NO right to stomp on a poor boy/girl's dreams.
There is a difference between homosexuality and transgender. But one similarity is that they are NOT SINS.
If you try to demierit that, I'll have to ask you to be a kind man and leave. ANd take your homophobia with you.
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Good reply That Guy, you kinda share my views on religion, even though I'm agnostic.
All I know about Amber is that she's scared of me. EXTREMELY afraid of me. Well terrified in her article about my people.
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Sorry Amber, but you missed it again. Melanie Rudd is exactly right, but perhaps you didn't understand the meaning.
When she says "Gender is between the ears" she means that how we see ourselves, how we think is a function of the brain…between the ears. Sex, in other words, our physical sex, is "between our legs" (genitalia).
In most cases, the two match, but sometimes they don't. But since we can't SEE the brain, many (such as yourself) tend to dismiss that aspect as irrelevant.
You should be thanking God that you don't have to endure the difficulties of having mismatched gender and genitalia rather than intensifying the pain these people experience by telling them what they're "doing" is wrong. God made them as they are and only He knows His purpose. Why don't you leave it between God and them?
Just because you don't understand it (and misquote the Bible) doesn't make it a sin.
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I am attracted to femininity. I am also a feminine male. You're telling me that I am gay because I am naturally feminine, and that I am going to hell for this. You lack logic. You stereotype and show your bigotry, and then you insult people, yet still claiming to be a Christian. You have no right to judge another person, legally nor morally. You're the filth in this world, not I. Your toxic lies destroy young people's lives, and you say it is in the name of the Lord. You have no credibility if you don't understand what being gay really means. I am not gay. I am attracted to femininity.
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further reading
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That's really you?
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jenniferjanefView April 7, 2009
hi you look fantastic! get in touch with me please (email@example.com) i am 15, mtf transgender. thanks and looking forward to hear from you! love.
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SandraView April 10, 2009
Dear Max, I am a 48yr old mtf hetrosexual transgendered person and I thank you for your comments and sharing your life experience with us. You are very beautiful person. Just knowing that someone like you exists makes me feel better about this planet and myself. You are a blessing to all people. I hope you find abundant blessings in every area of your life. Thank you for existing.
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Keepin it realView May 6, 2009
"I'm currently still in a relationship with my first girlfriend, who fully accepts me as a woman."
I wonder if she'd still accept you without your penis – you know, the thing that MTF transsexuals don't want.
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That Guy
She's only scared because she's racist. Amongst the other members of this website.
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Amber :
Note please that yesterday when I made my second response here I said "IF" I did not assume .. nor accuse.
I wished with my challenge to you to just point out that if you let the Father of that gender confused child see other facts it would paint a larger picture of information to that Father. Also there was implied a unstated hope that you yourself might learn something from all the posts.
I do not here imply that you need to change your belief on anything but rather just that you may find after actually reading more on the topic that tho the Christian Faiths have indeed had a negative view on the issue of crossed gender identity that there is a validity to the issue of some actually being cross gedered and born that way. The fact is that some may indeed not truly be cross gendered but some who make the claim of wrong gender are legitimatly cross gendered by way of their brain being gendered opposite the rest of their body. I presented a link yesterday in both of my posts .. which would provide you and others a medical view of proof of a cross gendered brain existing in some transsexual persons.
I present you a item to look up in your Bible .. research the word 'Eunuch.' You will find there are both negative and positive comments in the Bible refering to the topic of Eunuch. You will also in that discover that in the days of the writers of the Bible there was no surgery that made one physically able to cross the gender threshold between the binary genders. However, many made the choice to remove the source of male hormones to block the very changes that testosterone causes in a male. They were the Biblically recorded transsexuials of that day.
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what kind of hippie communist "church" do you lead? i am appalled!
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Yes, please ask your doctor for the "Anti-Gay Pill" so they can magically transform him/her into what he/she should be. I'm being sarcastic.
A) Gender has nothing to do with sexual preference. A "trans woman" may be attracted to genetic women or genetic men.
B) Gender is not simply either male or female. Children are born every day with ambiguous or even both genitalia. Amber would probably brand these children as perverted and homosexual due to her ignorance.
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Firstly, Adam, psychoanalysis has PROVEN that everyone is born psychologically BISEXUAL. It's from your environment and the way people act towards you that changes your sexual preference. So, I guess your homophobia is just your pent up homosexual urges trying to find release on what you hate about yourself so much.
Secondly, if any person is gay, lesbian, straight, or bisexual, LET THEM BE! As long as they don't hurt anyone, they are living life in an extremely moral way.
Finally. You are still a dumbass. You should also learn to shot web and become an hero along with TrueChristian.
Have a nice day, and remember; we are legion, we are many. We never forgive, and we never forget. Man the fucking harpoons…We are Anonymous.
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That Guy
…. Okay, what was the point of posting that?
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Jack O'Reilly
Dianna – please beware. I suspect your friend is possessed by SATAN himself and is FILLED WITH SIN. Please protect your children from this man and get him help. I would suggest that he drinks or showers himself with HOLY WATER.
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Some Dude
It was a sad story. Anyone seen But I'm a Cheerleader?
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wankerView March 23, 2009
i agree with ^^^^
also how the fuck does harry potter influence homo's hahahahahaha
you guys are so stupid, trying to find any way to destroy anytrhing other than what the fag upstairs says in his little book written by some bearded freak in the past… seriously guys its getting old
evolution is right. what, do you think god just thought "oh, i'll fuck up the universe by putting a fuck load of hairless monkeys on the planet"
we are smarter than monkeys, no?
Thats because we evolved faster than them.
i'd say go to hell but that doesnt exist either lol xx
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al77777View March 29, 2009
As someone who does have a degree in the feild of psychology, as well as a masters and PhD, I want you to know that your advice is terrible, and if taken could seriously traumatize and damage someone's psyche. It is because of ignorant, self-righteous people like you that I have a job. Thank you, I suppose, but I want you to know that you are stupid, and unfortunately, there is no other way to say it. You make up facts, and present them as true, yet they are so outrageous they are laughable. I am sincerely concerned for anyone who takes your advice.
You, ma'am, need to pray for yourself, and seek psychological help. There are many priests and ministers who can provide it for you. You need help, and you need to stop "helping" people, because that is absolutely NOT what you are doing.
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ojuice3112View March 28, 2009
Wanker, I wanted to say you are right about evolution being right but obviously don't know how it works.
First off: We aren't hairless monkeys, we're hairless APES.
Secondly: We didn't evolve faster, we just evolved separatly and have different (not more advanced) features.
Don't worry, this website is OBVIOUSLY satire. Just read it and laugh.
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Your rediculus
The only way you can become gay is BY CHOICE!!
CHOOSING TO FOLLOW SATAN that is.
And you are even admiting to being a Legion of satanwhoreshippers
And you want US to become Spiderdemons on follow your cause?
Thats just low!
Why do you hate Jesus so much?
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You're a lie. Everyone normal is born male or female. Even if the SRY-gene is broke, an XY will double down on the X so XX is phenotypically expressed and internally too. So you just take your fake science elsewhere because it has no place in reality.
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Why do you love mudkips?
O .o
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Yes, oh yes. Become a Spiderdemon. Oh yes, that is Satan's plan. YOU FUCKING IDIOT! If you remember my FIRST WORDS ON SATAN, IT'S JUST A WORD THAT MEANS "POWER"! Fucking douche. Annnnnyway…I hate Jesus because you love mudkips, as TeMPer so helpfully pointed out. I hate Jesus because he owes me money. I hate Jesus because he gave me a whack sack of bud that just turned out to be shake. I hate Jesus for a million reasons, but I don't hate Jesus as much as Jesus hates fucktards like you. Jesus and I, despite our differences, are still friends. Whereas Jesus would rather IMPALE you on your own FROZEN VOMIT! Gods and Goddesses above and below, would you people take a look at yourselves? You're just self-important idiots who think everyone else should be just like you! Fucking idiot.
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SerionaView April 4, 2009
You are a fucking moron and I hope you die a very painful and embarressing death.
I hope your ass dies the same way Jesus did but by being on fire!
And go fuck a Mudkip!
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I can't believe how arrogant and ignorant some of you "Christains" are.
1st of, if any of you had a shread of knowledge about what it's like to be gay, you'd know it wasn't a choice. One of my closest friends is gay. Life hard for him. He needs to put up with this ignorance from you midevil baffoons day in and day out. Plenty of times I've had him crying in my company because of the pressure. And his own sister says the same as some of you here: "It's a choice". It is definately not a choice. He has said time and time again, in histerics, that if it was a "CHOICE" he'd have never chosen to be Gay. Think of it this way, how would all the straight poeple here feel if society looked down on all hetrosexuals as if homosexualism was the norm. It wouldn't be nice expecting to "mate" with the same sex. This is the same sort of pressure you are putting on homosexuals.
Again, I cannot stress this enough, IT IS NOT, I SAY NOT!!, A CHOICE. And anyone who says so here, doesn't have an ounce of experience or knowledge on the matter.
This, throwing around the bible as if it cures all, and that you know everything on it, is so so so damaging. On almost all the topics this "Christian" talks about.
Read the holy book, take what YOU read from it, NOT what organised religions and churches try to instil in you. That was one of the true messages of the lord. Hypocrites!. An this woman, and everyone else here going on how it's Satan and that God detests it (or to that effect), ARENT YOU BREAKING A COMMANDMENT??? Thow shalt not create God in my own image. None of you here are anywhere near enough qualified to judge.
It people like this what gives Christianty a bad name.
Seek help from a Dr, and people from the relavent fields. Not some Religous nutter that thinks the Bible is a cure for everything when it is nothing more than MORAL guidance. Especially when so much ignorance is being shown. And as stated, you find those morals yourself, not by what any church says. Before you all make things so much worse.
No wonder the rest of the world sits and laughs at America. Some people really are that stereo typical "Stupid American".
This is not religion, this is an abomination of it, and it's taken to the extreme. Like in the midevil days when "What the church says, goes", even if that ment tremendous suffering. No different here. And, there are obviously some out dated parts of the bible that should not be taken literally, so I plead to you all to show some compassion and give the same leway to Homosexuals as you would to the passage that says in holy book that gives you permission to sell your daughter as a slave girl. What happened to loving everyone, even your enemies. You are not to judge. Only god is qualified. So, stop being so so so hypocritical and start acting like real christians!
I take of my hat to the gay and transgender comunity. Far far far more guts and bravery than any of these weak, shep of the churches, judgemental hypocrites. Hold your head up high, for they'll be judged also, and disobaying a direct commandment would probably be far more punishable than being who you are!
My 2P.
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As a straight Catholic man with a girlfriend, I need to butt in and say I'm tired of this "homosexuality is a choice" bullshit. It's no secret that homosexuals are discriminated against and in some cases, physically harmed or even killed. Riddle me this, genius: Who would want to choose that kind of life? Nobody. Homosexuality is not a choice. In fact, it has been proven by genetics that there are certain genes in homosexuals that vary slightly from "straight" people. This does not make them some different species or an inferior "race". They are our friends, brothers, sisters, MOTHERS, FATHERS, uncles, aunts, etc.
If you still doubt that FACT, ask our priests who were caught molesting boys what they think.
Now, get your pathetic self-righteous ass off your high horse and realize YOU ARE NOT GOD. When it comes to judgement, only He has the final word. You are in no position to presume what His decision will be — regardless of what you read in our Scriptures.
As far as CONFUSED IN CA is concerned, I have some "advice". Considering I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, I can't give you professional advice. I will say, however, to take your son/daughter to some professional therapy with the sole purpose of finding out what is going on with your child — not with the purpose of "changing" what you can't change. As I just finished saying, there was a gene that was discovered to have an effect on gender-identity. If that's the issue, then there is nothing you can do. He will always identify with how that gene allows him to identify. Nonetheless, love your child like you did when you first carried him in your arms. His appearance may change but the person inside your child doesn't change…he will still be your child.
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On in responce to Anon up there.
How do i shot web? D:<
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In response to TeMPer:
You become an hero. Also…watch out! 4chan PARTY VAN!
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Degrees and titles are worthless in the eyes of the Lord. Amber may not have a phd, but her morals and dedication to Christian ideals are much more valuable.
I'm very thankful that she deal with these controversial but extremely important family issues and helps make the world a better place. I share with my daughter every single one of Amber's columns and it helps her become better educated on how virtuous Christians should behave.
I bet you do not have the same positive impact on as many people as Amber even with all of your education.
God Bless,
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awesomeView April 22, 2009
You have a Ph.D., but you couldn't figure out this was satire? …. wow.
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AnonymousView April 3, 2009
Wow, for once, Nelson, you've made an INTELLIGENT RESPONSE. Bravo. But, methinks, you have taken my point incorrectly. I never said that people weren't born male or female. I never said anything about the genetic structure. I said PSYCHOLOGICALLY. All people are born with a propensity to be attracted to BOTH sexes. It's your environmental factors and the factors of the actions of your peers, elders, and subordinates. It's all about Nature vs Nurture. If you had bothered to even read my meaning behind it all, you would have learned that all people are, technically, at birth, bisexual. Though, of course, at birth one doesn't really have a sex drive, ne?
You fail. Have a nice day.
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AnonymousView April 3, 2009
Hrm. It seems I have scared Mr. Nelson and his little butt-buddy, TrueChristian, right off of the site! Huzzah!
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Agree 100%, she's nothing but outdated scum!
The same type of people who hold back society weather it's blacks or gays.
So so so small minded.
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Wow, he chooses to sob in public just like a school girl?
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Also, if being gay was the norm, we wouldn't be here now would we. Adam and Steve would have died from aids or something in the garden of Eden, but at least wouldn't have kids see it happen…you know, since two men can't mate.
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If, buy saying not normal, you mean that Homosexuals and Transgender people are in the minority, then you are right, they are the minority. But if you mean not normal as in it doesn't happen, then you are dead wrong. There's been plenty of evidence of homosexuality it the animal kingdom and other human civilasations. Alexander the Great anyone?
And this stupid reference to AIDs as if it were a gay desease just further points out your stupidity on the matter. Another stereo type.
And of course, he doesn't choose to sob in public, and he never does, but it does sometimes in private due to old dinosaur relics such as yourself.
Let be and let live. Just because your fortunate enough to be in the right body for your mind and have the "normal" sexual orintation. It would be a different story if you weren't. Tell me, how would you feel if you woke up the next morning and found you were in the body of the opposite sex? I'd like to see how you would handle it.
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Fallacy much, my friend? If I woke up tomorrow in the body of the opposite sex, I would go find a rainbow and demand the leprechaun give me a pot of gold.
The fact of the matter is that gay people can choose to be normal. Just like you or me could choose to be gay. Or, we could be like animals and choose to eat our young and make rape legal as well. But, that just wouldn't fly would it?
It all comes down to choice and the correct choice is to use your body as it is meant to be used. What is the point of us having reproductive organs, and all the other advantageous traits we've developed in a point-forward basis to allow us to survive, compete and pass on genes?
It certainly isn't to all be homosexual, is it? Do you not see how if everyone were gay, the species would die out? How is something like that good, normal or natural? As we're told in both testaments, it is sin. There is nothing wrong with gay people, and they are loved by God and should be embraced by everyone. They just need to choose a moral lifestyle, that's all.
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But thats my point! It is not a choice to be gay! Who would choose to be put through that torment? And no, I could not choose to be gay because I am not attracted to the opposite sex, the same why Gay's are not attracted to the opposite sex.
And, unfortunate for your other argument, the human species do act out their animalistic tendancies all the time. Read the news and you'll see plenty of it. Very Very few animal species kills as many as it's own kind as humans do, where's out advantageous traits there? And I point out here, those times of greatest human death is caused by hardliner imperialists. Not too much different to your thoughts on Gays.
This "It all comes down to choice" is all nonsense. Thats the fact. And just because you have not had the experience of witnessing it first hand, never mind being gay yourself, hardly puts you in a position to refute that fact, yet alone keep claiming "It's a choice". You simply don't have a clue.
And, again, as I pointed out in my previous post, it is the minority, so the human species will still survive.
Your final point, I'm not saying anything about everyone being gay, what i'm saying is, being gay is ok. And people should stop throwing the bible about as if it gives them the right to stop people being who they are. This woman is in effect, trying to circumvate the boy's free will by giving such stupid advice that he'll probably end up taking his life. You know why, because he doesn't have a choice of who he is, or what he feels. He should seek profession help. And be put on puberty halting drugs until his situation had been properly, and proffesionally sorted out.
Again and Again, this is not a choice. This is not a choice. BEING A HOMOSEXUAL OR TRANSEXUAL IS NOT A CHOICE!
Religion shouldn't even have a say in this matter. It's a medical issue. And again, if the bible teaches that you can sell your daughter as a slave girl, I somewhat question the literalsm that should be applied to it. (i forgot what passage, Lat 23 or 26 or something). Obviously the humans who wrote these scriptures didn't hold back in putting there own opinions in there.
Not a choice, not a choice, NOT A CHOICE!
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"There is nothing wrong with gay people, and they are loved by God and should be embraced by everyone."
So then, why do you say this just several posts down:
"Being gay is not ok and it is a medical issue."
"Or, we could be like animals and choose to eat our young and make rape legal as well."
Are you honestly comparing homosexuals to animals eating their young and raping each other? You're honestly comparing two men or women who are in love with each other and want to be together for the rest of their lives to eating children?
"It all comes down to choice and the correct choice is to use your body as it is meant to be used. What is the point of us having reproductive organs, and all the other advantageous traits we've developed in a point-forward basis to allow us to survive, compete and pass on genes?"
People have the right to choose to not reproduce. I don't plan on having children; if I want any, I'll adopt. Whenever assholes say "oh, you'll change your mind", I want to smack them.
"Do you not see how if everyone were gay, the species would die out? How is something like that good, normal or natural? As we're told in both testaments, it is sin."
First of all, don't use the bible as proof, it only makes you look pathetic. Second, life needs balance—just like how if everybody were homosexual our species would die out, if everybody were heterosexual our planet would be even more overpopulated than it already is. Homosexuality is nature's method of population control.
"When I tell gays to accept Christ and hear his true words, it's not because I hate them or want them tormented. Those days are in the past. It's because I want them to lead a good, wholesome life in Christ and be delivered from their gay lifestyle."
Don't even try that bullshit, Adam. You have used sick, insulting words when referring to homosexuals, and you're always saying that they are going to "burn in the lake of fire". That is a sign of HATE, not of COMPASSION and UNDERSTANDING. If you truly cared about gay people's souls, you would refrain from TORMENTING their souls with such cruel words. You do realize that it's people like you saying such hateful things towards gays that causes them to commit suicide, right? And isn't suicide a sin? Don't people who commit suicide end up in limbo, or some crap like that? So doesn't that mean that, by tormenting homosexuals, you are causing them so much pain that they take their own lives, thus not ending up in heaven like you "want" them to?
Oh, and by the way, "wholesome life in Christ"…do you mean like, in Christ's asshole?
I would also like to help Chris stress the point that PEOPLE DON'T CHOOSE TO BE GAY. They don't "choose" to be gay any more than you "choose" to be straight.
"It pains me to think that the souls of sinners would burn in hell for all time because they did not heed numerous warnings."
Why do I not believe that it pains you? Lots of people don't believe in heaven or hell, therefore your "concerns" about where they will end up are irrelevant to them. If you were truly concerned about their souls, you would stop tormenting their souls with phrases such as "burn in hell for all time".
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Being gay is not ok and it is a medical issue. To use your fallacious methods, what would happen to the human species if everyone woke up tomorrow and chose to be gay? Within several generations, our entire species would die!
That's the same as saying, what if everyone woke up tomorrow and decided to kill everyone on Earth, including themselves. Murder is a choice some choose to act on, is it not? Homosexuality is no different. They are both using knowledge for purposes that are not moral or right.
As for your comment about why people would not 'choose' to be tormented, I guess you are naive to how sick and twisted some people can truly be. In Eastern Europe, I hear there are clubs where people dress in leather and then get their jollies by WHIPPING each other with spiked chains and whips. What sort of sadistic nonsense is that?
That's true torment and being told that you are a sinner does not compare, so the only issue gays have is falling to 'the truth hurts'.
Also, if you're ignorant of the Bible and its history don't use it as a point of rebuke. The Old Testament stories are comprised, in many places, of the specific terms and conditions between God and his people, the children of Israel. The New Testament, the covenant you are under with God if you are Gentile (so basically, if you're not Jewish) gives you the chance of salvation not through sacrifice or oddball customs (Israel had 611 SPECIFIC laws, just by the Pentateuch alone) through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
When I tell gays to accept Christ and hear his true words, it's not because I hate them or want them tormented. Those days are in the past. It's because I want them to lead a good, wholesome life in Christ and be delivered from their gay lifestyle. Some people choose to be gay due to childhood trauma; others for causal factors of unknown origin.
I'm here to let people know that no matter what environmental factors played into it, faith can bring you the peace you need to be normal and live a proper life.
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First of, I'll reitereate, AGAIN, that Homosexuals are the minority, hence the human species will never die out as there's plenty of Hetrosexuals that will keep breading and never "Choose" to become homosexual. Even if a nation promoted homosexuality, the majority would remain hetrosexual. You know why, because it isn't a choice. And there has been homosexuality throughout human history and in the animial kingdom. We are still here, Fallacy?? Of course it is, because your under the impression that this is a new thing that has never existed before.
Here you go with the choice thing. It is not a choice. The same way people are born as hermathidites. Tell me, how many Gay people have you met? And if you have indeed met any, have you actually discussed with them why they are gay. They don't overnight decide, oh, I think I'll fancy the same sex today. It is not like that.
Comparing it to a murderer is wrong. 1st of, your breaking a commandment commiting murder. Where does Homosexuality or Transgender compare to that. Flawed argument. It is not a choice that they decide to act on, in the same way as being a femine female is not a choice. It is just what you are. Do you choose to be hetrosexual? or are you naturaly hetrosexual. For instance do you have any homosexual urges? I'm guessing not, but I bet you have hetrosexual urges, and I bet that's not a choice. Its the same with Homosexuals. It's just as difficult for them to be hetrosexual as it would be for you to be homosexual.
Also, as stated further above, there are many references, good and bad, to the equivilent of transgendered in biblical times – Eunuchs. Jesus is also said to let people be if that's what they choose. Who are you to refrute this and judge?
And as for the mention of the Old Testament, this is you falling into the trap of organised religion. How can you be Christian and accept one half of the bible as the word of god, and dismiss the other especially Exodus 21:7, that was written by moses in the same book that gave you the 10 commandments! I guess he really wasn't a preacher of God then? The bible is not to be taken literally. If it was, it would be so contradictive at times. You should read it, find god yourself, as the lord says and not fall into the rut of organised religion (who themeselves preach what THEY think is in the bible and who split the books, for it doesn't tell you that in the bible) and follow the 10 commandments. And live your life the way you inteprete the bible, but don't dare impose your believes on anyone else (as you are doing supporting this womans point of view against this poor kid).
As for the Eastern leather lovers, it's a fettish. Not a way of living. And you are awful quick to call it sinful. Where in the bible does it say it is? or are you creating god in your own image again? Let them be. And while your at it, have a look at all the leather lovers in the US. It's not just a Eastern European thing. I guess your just keeping your eyes wide shut, or your the stereotypical stupid American that can't point out Iraq on a map and actually believe that stuff doesn't happen in your own country. (note I am not saying Americans are stupid, I'm just saying a stereotype, before I get flamed, as I don't believe that Americans are stupid). Or it could just be that your the type that believes anything thats different, be it beliefs or culture, is "sinful". This is an example of how naive your being.
Get in into your head, it is not a choice. Go and actually speak to real homosexuals. You still play on this choice thing. I love how some christians here have no idea at all what their talking about, but because of their intepretation of the bible, they think they know all about it and put it down to "Choice". Not true. People who have been educated on psychology for years, who treat any mental condition from simple depression to schizophrenia, will tell you, it's not a choice. Who are you to say it is? It's your opinion, nothing else. And your opinion is against the fact.
One final point, when you claim that you wish homosexuals to accept Christ to live a wholesome life and be delivered, perhaps you should say that to the many gay ministers in the prodestant church. I think they know god far far better than you, and I'm sure being such a servant of god they did not "choose" to be homosexual.
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Posted by Adam
"I'm here to let people know that no matter what environmental factors played into it, faith can bring you the peace you need to be normal and live a proper life."
Ok Adam. I'm glad you're enjoying your little soapbox but I have a question. If your above statement is soo undeniably true, then what have you to say about those priests who rape little boys and reverends who commit lewd acts in bathroom stalls and with members of their own congregation?
Mind you, I'm a Catholic and a sincere believer but you can't deny that homosexuality isn't a choice as is evidenced by these MEN OF FAITH who couldn't resist their urges.
And if it isn't clear by now, I'm with Claire on all of this. I only say this because in your response, you made her out to be some evil non-believer. Although I don't agree with her disbelief in Him, I am in no position to judge her as you are in no position to judge homosexuals.
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In the eyes of God, sin is a sin. Murderers and liars are both sinners. Gay is a sin too. If they do not seek to change their ways, they risk being cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. What's so hard to understand about that? Being gay is caused by sin, so it is a choice that needs to be fixed. The Bible makes that clear.
God does not hate the sinner, but he hates the sin. It pains me to think that the souls of sinners would burn in hell for all time because they did not heed numerous warnings. Fornication is a sin too, so torture fornication clubs are bad news as well.
Any church that allows gay ministers is troubled as well.
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You'll change your mind. This actually makes me want to transfer to a school in Massachusetts, date you and then get happily married so we can raise a good Christian family ten years down the road.
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"You'll change your mind. This actually makes me want to transfer to a school in Massachusetts, date you and then get happily married so we can raise a good Christian family ten years down the road."
You know what, I'm incredibly offended by that. I'm actually considering this a threat. You are DISREGARDING my wish and decision to not have children, which I have held for ten years. First of all, don't come anywhere near Massachusetts, second, DON'T even TRY to date me, let alone talk to me, unless you want to spend the rest of your life with no testicles, third, I'm NOT getting married, and I'm MOST CERTAINLY NOT having children. I'm not even OK with the idea of having sex with someone, what on earth makes you think I'm OK with the idea of pushing out your devil spawn? Of course, it's easy for YOU to talk about having kids—you're a male, therefore your contribution to making a child ends upon orgasm, whereas the the female has to endure 9 months of pregnancy, and then painful labor and childbirth. And if we were to get married, it would not be a happy marriage, because it would be a forced marriage. And what the FUCK makes you think that I'll become a "good Christian" for you??? You HATE gay people, I LOVE gay people, you think that women are stupid, I'm a FEMINIST, you believe in "god", I'm an atheist.
So basically, my saying that I don't ever want children, makes you essentially want to transfer to Massachusetts, stalk me, force me to marry you, then rape me and make me carry your spawn. Therefore, it is a threat. This is why I like gay men—women don't have to live in fear of being RAPED BY THEM.
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Oh my goodness you're a feminist and a Nazi sympathizer? My word. And I would never attack you, just win your heart with my wholesome Godly charm.
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I'm a feminist, NOT a Nazi sympathizer, you piece of shit. And yes, if you plan on "raising a good Christian family" with me, then you plan on raping me, because I don't plan on having sex with anyone, let alone a racist, sexist, homophobe, bible-thumper such as yourself.
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LMAO! Think you need to do some work on that godly charm.
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I'm truly offended by your words, ma'am. Racism pains my heart, and I love all people. I am not scared of homosexuals and Bible thumper is a bigoted term. I love women and am a champion of egalitarianism. If we get married, we can adopt children and teach them good values.
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Why are you a racist who dislikes men?
Women are the greatest gift to Earth; they truly are and that's why when Adam was lonely, he created his best good…woman. They are our helpmeets; the incubate our young; they keep the family going and they provide us with a lifetime of happiness in marriage through their feminine abilities.
Truly, it's because I believe a man must love woman so much, and cherish them, that I know gay men must truly have something wrong if they hate women SO SO much that they won't even marry one. Now that's hatred for natural order and decency.
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"Why are you a racist who dislikes men?"
Where is your evidence that I'm a racist, and where's your evidence that I dislike men?
"Women are the greatest gift to Earth; they truly are and that's why when Adam was lonely, he created his best good…woman."
Once again, Adam, I think the bible is a load of crap. I don't believe that shit about man being created first, and woman being created second. It's sexist and insulting to believe that my gender was created from a man's rib. And wives are most certainly NOT "gifts" unto their husbands—we are NOT PROPERTY. You do realize that all vertebrate embryos start out female right?
"Truly, it's because I believe a man must love woman so much, and cherish them, that I know gay men must truly have something wrong if they hate women SO SO much that they won't even marry one."
My best friend is a gay male, and he loves me very, very much—he simply isn't sexually attracted to me. In a way, that's the best kind of love, because it means that he doesn't view me as a sex object. The majority of gay men have what they call a "fag-hag", as derogatory as that sounds, it's essentially a straight female who is the gay male's best friend. I am my friend's "fag-hag". We do EVERYTHING together. We've even seen one another naked. The majority of gay men actually find women to be beautiful human beings, and they actually have much more respect for us than straight men do, for two reasons: 1) they don't view us as sexual objects, and 2) they have suffered persecution in the past and present, and have always been fighting for civil rights, much as women have.
My friend and I actually consider ourselves to be soul mates, because we love each other in a non-sexual way.
"they incubate our young"
Oh, I see, so you view children as being created by men, and the women are just the incubators. Is that what you view me as, a babymaker?
"they keep the family going and they provide us with a lifetime of happiness in marriage through their feminine abilities."
And yet you believe it's ok for a husband to discipline his wife as though she were a dog?
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I find it wonderful when people can befriend gays and see beyond all the social stigma that affects the mind of many. There is one thing that bothers me, young lady, and that's you mention 'we have seen each other naked'.
Err on the side of caution, because even if one's sexual preference is homosexual, sexual temptation can come upon you, especially with someone you consider a soul mate based on sexual non-attraction. That's how I would hope most young relationships would start off. Be well!
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Don't call me "young lady", that's derogatory.
The only reason I showed my naked body to my friend was because I am 100% certain that he is gay (he's given and received blowjobs). He also would never hurt a fly. I would NEVER do that with a straight male.
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You sir, really need to get your head checked. Where did you get the whole Nazi sypathiser bit from?
And, considering you have repeatedy throughout your posts to Claire refered to woman like an object belonging to man, it's only natural for her to be defensive. And I completely support her in trying to drop the hammer down on you and your twisted opinions.
I don't have a clue what age you are, but you continuesly write so much rubbish, with so little understanding, that you appear to have no real experience of the real world. Or with Homosexuals and women. Your either a silly little teen, or a twisted imature man who can't think for himself but is happy to be indoctrinated with the church – the most corrupt institution on earth.
If I ever treated my girlfriend in such a way as you have made clear previously (as claire highlighted) she'd walk out, and quite rightly so, even after 3 years of being together.
You are the Devil here. You spout to much nonsense and you didn't refrute a single point in my previous post. You know why, because you couldn't. You know why, Because you are wrong or have never experienced company or open dialogue with the people you claim are sinful.
You, in my opinion, are no different than the religeous white supremeists from only a few decades ago that treated blacks as 2nd class citizens. Who said is was sinful for mixed raced marriges. Those days are now passed, but you are todays equilivent to Homosexuals and Transgender people. And you know what, the days for your type are soon to be over. America will eventually get to accept Homosexuals and Transgender people just like Europe, they true leader of the world when it comes to human development.
You claim you are a christian, but as I've pointed out in my previous posts (judging, creating god in is own image, not letting people be) you are only being as christian as you want to be.
I'm just so glad that the litteralist like yourself are just so far a few between here in the UK.
Your an insult to humanity.
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Definitions of Fornication
"refers to voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other"
That means everyone who has sex before marrage. Doesn't matter weather or not whips and leather are involved. And, unlike your murder and lying, are not against the 10 commandments. Also, to further critise you mentioning it, married couples also "experiment" to liven up their sex lives.
"Any church that allows gay ministers is troubled as well" Who says? It's a matter of personal morality, and not that of the church. Again, as Jesus says, let them be. How is the church going to be in trouble when all it has done is follow Jesus's word? More nonesense. And again, your viewpoint that I guess you think god shares with you.
You aren't the second coming of Christ are you?
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Adam has a very poor, ridiculous reason for calling me a Nazi sympathizer. Basically, on the thread entitled "Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg Needs Renaming" Adam said:
"I really hate it when the blacks pick out all those weird tribal names for their kids. Why can't they just be normal with their naming? We fought for equality in this country for these types of things."
To which I replied:
"Adam, why is it ANY of your business what black people name their kids? If they want to give their children "tribal" names, as you call them, I say more power to them. It's called preserving culture, you idiot."
Basically Adam began accusing me of trying to segregate people, simply because I believe that immigrants should have the right to name their children what they want. So one thing led to another, and he began comparing me to Hitler.
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I'm very tolerant and I'm not a racist, like some people in this community.
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Stop trying to spin the truth. You said black people should stick to 'their own culture' and that's the type of nonsense that was supposed to be left behind in the last millennium. I bet you would be a champion of Marcus Garvey and love to tell black Americans to 'get back to Africa'.
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The Bible says gay is caused by sin and I'm pretty sure Jesus told us all to not be sinners. Point.
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"You said black people should stick to 'their own culture' and that's the type of nonsense that was supposed to be left behind in the last millennium."
It is YOU who is spinning the truth. I said that black people and all immigrants should have the RIGHT to continue to practice their own cultures. NOWHERE did I say that they "SHOULD stick to their own culture", I said that they should have THE RIGHT TO DO SO IF THEY PLEASE. Since you are too dense to get that through your skull, here's a transcript of our conversation on the "Lake Renaming" thread, beginning with your racist quote:
Adam Nelson: "Sort of related here, I really hate it when the blacks pick out all those weird tribal names for their kids. Why can't they just be normal with their naming? We fought for equality in this country for these types of things."
Me: "Adam, why is it ANY of your business what black people name their kids? If they want to give their children "tribal" names, as you call them, I say more power to them. It's called preserving culture, you idiot.
Tell me Adam, is ANYBODY being hurt because black people choose to give their child an "unusual" name?"
Adam Nelson: "Yes, Martin Luther King Jr. is one of my favorite historical figures."
Me: "Wait a minute, Adam, are you honestly trying to tell me that YOU are being harmed by black people naming their children what they want instead of typical English names, because Martin Luther King Jr. is one of your favorite historical figures?
I'm pretty sure that Martin Luther King Jr. would agree with me that black people should be allowed to name their children whatever the hell they want.
It's pretty pathetic that you're offended by someone wanting to name their daughter Shamika instead of, say, Shirley."
Adam Nelson: "Martin Luther King is definitely one of my favorite political figures. His words of inspiration and sage wisdom were for the most part spot on.
Shirley is definitely a great name, and is actually the name of one of my favorite people and childhood mentors.
Martin Luther King, Jr., is also a man of noble name with words that were even more noble. I identify all Americans as American, and find it ugly when people try to convince me otherwise, that there are 'classes' of Americans or separations. It's that type of racist thinking that has caused so many problems, and I pray God removes such errant thoughts from our societal fabric."
Me: "Martin Luther King is definitely one of my favorite political figures."
Yes…you already said that…
"I identify all Americans as American, and find it ugly when people try to convince me otherwise, that there are 'classes' of Americans or separations."
"Who said anything about "classes"? All I'm saying is that people have the right to preserve their own cultures. Isn't that what America is about? United despite differences? If you truly have respect for black people, you would respect their right to name their children what they want."
Adam Nelson: ""Their own cultures"…
Why are you such a bigot and racist? You know, during the Civil Rights movement there was a man named Marcus Garvey. He wore a plumed hat and bedazzled uniforms, and there was one phrase of which he was associated:
"Back to Africa."
'Yes, we like them, just as long as they stick to their own culture and we stick to preserving our own cultures,' many racist, ignorant bigots said back then.
We are an American culture. "Their own culture…" type of logic is a leftover relic from a racist era that had nothing to do with morality. It was all about separating based on skin color and hating whatever was not the same as you. That's the basis for much wrong in our society, and again, a pray this thinking which leads to 'classes' of people is ripped out from the societal fabric of our country."
Me: ""Why are you such a bigot and racist?"
Dude, I live in Cambridge Massachusetts, one of the most liberal, tolerant cities in the country, so DON'T try to call me a racist. The majority of my friends are either black or Muslim. Oh wait, according to you, I'm a male trucker from Florida…
"It was all about separating based on skin color and hating whatever was not the same as you."
WHERE did I say anything about "separating" people??? There's nothing wrong with people wanting to REMEMBER WHERE THEY CAME FROM. I'm not saying that black people HAVE to name their children "tribal" names, as you called them, I'm saying that they should have the RIGHT to PRESERVE their CULTURE AND HISTORY. And it's not just black people. For example, my family came from the Netherlands in the 1640s, and I am interested in learning Dutch, because I want to preserve at least a TINY bit of my family's history."
Adam Nelson: "What a common tactic it is to try to glean innocence by association. Saying things like 'their own culture' is what causes divides in this great nation. Such speech was at the heart of Hitler's Reich and klavicles for the Klan groups in America.
We are on culture and one people; American. I can only shake my head in disgust at racists who try to deny their own nature, Claire. Hopefully one day you'll be delivered from your thoughts because I frankly find them disgusting. Racism is not ok."
Me: "For the last time, I AM NOT RACIST, YOU PIECE OF SHIT. If anybody is racist, it's YOU for saying things like "I really hate it when the blacks pick out all those weird tribal names for their kids." As I said before, I'm NOT trying to cause division amongst Americans, all I'm saying is that if immigrants feel more COMFORTABLE by choosing a name for their child that is a reflection of their homeland, then they should HAVE THAT RIGHT. I always thought that the beauty of America was the very fact that you're trying to condemn as being bad—that we ALL have our different cultures. I find it incredibly ironic that YOU accused ME of having a Hitler-like mindset, when it's actually YOU who does. I believe in embracing other cultures as part of the diversity of America—you believe in assimilating them all into one culture.
As I've said SEVERAL times now: WHY deny people the right to name their children what they want, when ALL they're trying to do is choose a name that is familiar to them, and is therefore comforting, instead of trying to fit into your perfect "mold" of Americanism?
Isn't America about freedom, tolerance, and understanding?"
Adam Nelson: "Look at your racist words. "Different cultures", "Their own cultures". You're preaching division, not a vision of unity.
What a sad shame it is that to this day, there are still people like you who think black people should have 'their own culture' and white people a 'different culture'.
You remind me of a white American male who was in the news several weeks ago. Despite being American, he claimed to have Germanic roots and thus named his kids something like "Adolf Hitler" and "Josef Mengele". I'm sure you believe white kids should intentionally America-offensive or different names like these, idolizing others who believe whites should have 'their own cultures'.
Your words disgust me. There is only one culture in America; at that's American. I will be happy once all of the racist bigots stop trying to stop progress with such hateful habits."
Me: ""I really hate it when the blacks pick out all those weird tribal names for their kids."
Ok, so then what about that racist quote of yours?
"Look at your racist words. "Different cultures", "Their own cultures". You're preaching division, not a vision of unity."
As I said before, America is united under our (or you could even say because of our) differences. What part of that don't you understand? And nowhere did I say that different cultures are bad, therefore why would my saying the two words "different cultures" make me racist. They're different, that's it. If you can't accept the fact that there many parts of the world are culturally different, then you are either blind or just ignorant. For example, there are certain tribes in Africa that still wear nothing but loincloths. Here in America, however, we wear full sets of clothing unless we are going swimming. Although there are, sadly, some people who view the wearing of loincloths as a bad thing, I simply view it as a different culture that should be respected. Another example: many countries utilize every single part of an animal for food; everything from the brains to the testicles. Here in America, we eat very little of an animal and simply discard the rest.
I'm still waiting for an answer to this question: "WHY deny people the right to name their children what they want, when ALL they're trying to do is choose a name that is familiar to them, and is therefore comforting, instead of trying to fit into your perfect "mold" of Americanism?"
Why do you want to deny immigrants the right to name their children what they want?
Here's a hypothetical situation: Suppose you meet a husband and wife who recently fled from Ethiopia as refugees. They are very kind, considerate people, who happen to be expecting a child soon. They are very grateful for the fact that they were welcomed into America, but they still miss their homeland of Ethiopia. They love their new lives in America, and are gracious to everybody they encounter, because they can now start their lives anew, but they long for the country they were forced to leave behind. They discover that they are having a girl, and they tell you that they want to name her Nejat, which is an Ethiopian name, so that they can preserve some part of their past. Would you say to them: "Don't name her THAT! That's a horrible name! Name her something nice and American sounding, like Christina."
Are you honestly telling me you would do that?
Another hypothetical situation: Suppose you move to Morocco. Do you completely forget about your American roots, and adopt the Moroccan way of life, style, etc?"
Adam Nelson: "Intolerance is truly a horrible entity without virtue or decency. The fact that you're going on and on, in a diatribe against American culture of intergration — spouting off your rhetoric that champions division — troubles my heart, soul and mind.
It's talk like this that allowed Jim Crow laws to exist for such a long time. It is talk like this that still allows for people to think…differences between races are such a reality that hate crimes still take place.
There is no difference between a white man or a black man. Thank God we've officially embraced such concepts in America by law at least, and under no circumstance would I abandon my country for Morocco. I love this nation.
What I don't love are racist people who try to tell me 'their own culture' is a good thing. I do not support divisive habits or traits.
Some people try to label certain behaviors as 'black'. You see gang violence, inner-city drug use, pimps, prostitutes and death in certain communities. You see music that celebrates such things in 'rap'.
Why is this labeled as being 'black' in America? It's because perpetuated stereotypes, that kids from such backgrounds must act a certain way and be named certain things. They even use racial epithets to address one another. "Their own culture" indeed.
Until we stop these ignorant notions that there is an 'urban black culture', therefore urban blacks must abide by certain habits, we will have a very sad American state, my friend. Until we stop ignorant notions that there is a 'master white culture', which you want to believe, Claire, we will always have racial division.
America is one equal culture, comprised of many different 'races'. My dream is to see the day that race becomes just as an irrelevant identifier than having attached or detached earlobes. It should be a non-factor, because at the heart; we are all Americans. Our legacy and birthright is the long-standing culture of America."
Me: "I posed several questions that you have yet to answer:
"I really hate it when the blacks pick out all those weird tribal names for their kids."
1) As I asked before, how do you explain this racist-sounding quote of yours?
2) "WHY deny people the right to name their children what they want, when ALL they're trying to do is choose a name that is familiar to them, and is therefore comforting, instead of trying to fit into your perfect "mold" of Americanism?"
3) You also did not answer my first hypothetical situation regarding the Ethiopian refugees.
"Intolerance is truly a horrible entity without virtue or decency."
I'm intolerant? What am I intolerant of? How does my belief that people should be free to express their native cultures via their children's names make me intolerant?
"Until we stop ignorant notions that there is a 'master white culture', which you want to believe, Claire, we will always have racial division."
Please show me where I implied that any culture, let alone a white one, is superior to other cultures.
When I pointed out the differences between cultures, I was pointing out DIFFERENCES, not INEQUALITIES. The two cannot be used interchangeably. NOWHERE did I imply that any one culture is above another culture. If you think I did, you either need to go back and reread, or get some corrective lenses."
Adam Nelson: "Racists and Xenophobes love to use the brushes of contrast in a quite liberal manner. They will use tactics to try to make black people in America look a world apart from everyone else, especially whites. I find this notion, again, to be pathetically ignorant and a relic from this nation's racist past. Shame on you for continuing to power the machines of dissent, malevolence and oppression.
Black people are Americans; Christopher, Michael, Charles and Jane are all names for black people. They are names for white people. They are names for any other American; why? These names are traditionally American and hold no potentially divisive, separating context in relevance to our social culture.
That is the dream of Martin Luther King; no part of America is denied to any other culture, because we are all a part of America. There is no 'their own culture' in King's books
Governor Wallace loved the idea of 'their own culture'. The idea of people feeling so disenfranchised that they could not possibly enjoy and accept the traditions of what was rightfully theirs in America.
Your kind really trouble me, Claire. I truly hope that as you progress and grow, your heart will be opened and you will stop being a racist."
Adam, I'm sure that most of the posters on this site would beat the crap out of you if given the opportunity. You are a hypocrite and a liar.
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Fuck the bible, fuck jesus, and fuck you, Adam Nelson.
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Thanks for sharing and I ask you to consider this; if the homogay agenda gets forced into American culture, what about the 98% of the population who prefer to be straight sexual orientation and their kids?
Schools will force their kids to learn about gay marriage and accept it as natural, and that goes against the teaching of many parents. Giving gays the right to marriage must not occur, as it violates natural order. Transgender fits into this because what if a man…changes his sex, then still is with a man.
Do we recognize the man as now a woman and able to marry, and loophole for the Defense of Marriage Act?
That's being debated right now and there is a 'plug' for that loophole in place, but it's still the same issue; a disturbance of natural order. The New Testament of the Bible shows that things like tinkering with homosexuality and by that virtue your gender, when it is already set, is sin.
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"Thanks for sharing and I ask you to consider this; if the homogay agenda gets forced into American culture, what about the 98% of the population who prefer to be straight sexual orientation and their kids?"
Massachusetts legalized gay marriage almost 5 years ago, and I assure you, our state has not crumbled down into the the fiery pits of hell, as you probably think it has. As I've said before, my next-door neighbors were the first homosexual couple in Massachusetts to get their marriage license nearly 5 years ago, and my parents are still happily married after 30 years, and everybody else in the neighborhood is also still happily married.
"Schools will force their kids to learn about gay marriage and accept it as natural, and that goes against the teaching of many parents."
Ah, yes, because god forbid children be taught that homosexuals are humans too…
"Giving gays the right to marriage must not occur, as it violates natural order."
And what exactly is so "natural" about heterosexual marriage? Last time I checked, animals do not get married, and animals are much closer to nature than we are.
Now here's what I don't understand: You claim to have "love" in your heart for homosexuals. I do not believe that one bit. You see, denying homosexuals the right to get married (or the right to do anything that they're entitled to, for that matter) means that you have no respect for them. How can you love someone who you have no respect for?
"The New Testament of the Bible shows that things like tinkering with homosexuality and by that virtue your gender, when it is already set, is sin."
Once again, you're using a 2,000 year old book that bears no relevance to today as evidence. Can you possibly manage to dig yourself farther into that hole, Adam?
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And you refuse to believe that book. Just because you are anti-Christian bigot doesn't preclude me from using morality taken from the Bible, much as has been done in the history of our nation, and applying it to current life applications. Marriage is supposed to be between a man and woman. Our federal government has the Defense of Marriage act for a reason.
Just because I don't want kids to be taught homosexuality is natural (because, it's not) does not mean I hate gay people. I love everyone, including gay, but I don't agree with their lifestyle choice.
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"Just because I don't want kids to be taught homosexuality is natural (because, it's not) does not mean I hate gay people. I love everyone, including gay, but I don't agree with their lifestyle choice."
So if homosexuality is not natural, then why have I seen so many cats at the animal shelter that I volunteer at take a liking to the same sex?
You believe that being homosexual is a sin. Saying that someone is a sinner implies that you have no respect for them. If you have no respect for homosexuals, you do not love them.
And nobody chooses to be gay. My best friend who is gay says that being gay was not a conscious decision on his part. He says "Why would I choose to be part of one of the most hated communities on the planet?" He has liked boys since he was very young. And no, he did NOT experience any type of "trauma" that made him "choose" to be gay. Don't even try to claim that. People can't help being gay, so you just have to accept that and learn to respect them.
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My fallacious friend, lower animals are not the model we follow. A male lion may choose to eat the cubs of a competitor after he takes over a pride, but we certainly would not find a man choosing to cannibalize the children of his new partner after she gets a divorce.
And I don't know why gays choose to be gay, all I know is that it's a sin and some research shows that the choice is oft times psychological in origin. All I can do is pray for gays and hope their souls come to Christ.
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I'm sorry… What I meant was, I know it's NOT a choice to be gay since being gay is innate and some research has proven this fact. I will continue to pray that the rest of the "flock" realizes they're following the oldest fairy tell ever.
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I'm not your friend.
"A male lion may choose to eat the cubs of a competitor after he takes over a pride, but we certainly would not find a man choosing to cannibalize the children of his new partner after she gets a divorce."
Really? That's odd. What about fathers or mothers who decide to murder their children? Granted it doesn't happen all the time, but over the past 5 years or so, there have been FAR too many news stories about a parent who murders their entire brood.
"And I don't know why gays choose to be gay, all I know is that it's a sin and some research shows that the choice is oft times psychological in origin. All I can do is pray for gays and hope their souls come to Christ."
That's because they DON'T choose to be gay. Why would somebody CHOOSE to be part of one of the most hated groups in the world? And where is your "research"?
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Yes, and we don't just smile and nod, saying 'Well clearly they had a genetic disorder and even if they don't, this choice is just part of life. The animals do it, so we should expect humans to do it."
You can't have it both ways, my friend.
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You're not me. Stop trying to act like it you're bearing false witness in my name so please quit.
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See, kids, this is what happens when you believe in fairy tales: you start talking to yourself!!
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I'm not your friend, you stupid puddle of a homeless man's urine.
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People choose lifestyles that are less than pleasant many times; and every group of people experiences bigotry and ignorance aimed at them. Just look at how that lady named Claire treats minorities and Christians on this site, telling blacks to stick to 'their own culture' and threatening to bludgeon Christians.
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If a priest touches a little boy, that means he wasn't so strong in his faith now doesn't it. And any animal who dares touch a male like that is a homosexual. So the priest needs to be healed of his choice. If it were left up to a mob, you already know what type of punishment would await that type of person. Take that times infinity, and you get the eternal torture they face.
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So you're equating homosexuals to child-molesting priests? Yes, child molesters go to hell (if there is such thing), and rightfully so, because they harm innocent children. However, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with two adult males or two adult females loving each other, and having consensual sex with each other.
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Yes, all the priests in your little fallacious scenario would be homosexuals or pedos, or both. All are sinners.
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pedophiles are bad. homosexuals are good. There's a difference.
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Both are sinners, and for every one homosexual four children get attacked.
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TheWretchedView May 6, 2009
They are thinking this would happen.
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SomeBritishPersonView August 3, 2009
Harry Potter is not real. It is make believe for the purpose of entertainment, nothing else.
Why, also, do you religous people have to make other people's issues your own. It's non of your business.
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Get Real
Jesus didn't spend his time on earth condemning thieves and prostitutes. He spent his time condemning those who condemn thieves and prostitutes. How many Christians would he find today that fit into that latter category….
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Get Real
Jesus didn't spend his time on earth condemning thieves and prostitutes. He spent his time condemning those who condemn thieves and prostitutes. How many Christians would he find today that fit into that latter category…. Perhaps Nelson??????
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dear #1 of the redneck incestuous sister-loving chrstian white supremacy hate group
how can you call yourself a christian? you racist hate mongering uneducated idiot. have you ever read the bible? if you had, you would know that the bible teaches love and tolerance to all. remeber.. judge not other lest yee also will be judged. i am married to a mexican lady. who has more class in her little finger than all of you stupid "so called" christian white people. to hate anyone based on race is just flat out ignorant. your being ignorant!!!!!! please pull your head out of your ass, and take a look at gods word. have a nice day…you asshole.
and remember… Satan loves you ;)xoxo
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"Thanks for sharing and I ask you to consider this; if the homogay agenda gets forced into American culture, what about the 98% of the population who prefer to be straight sexual orientation and their kids?
Schools will force their kids to learn about gay marriage and accept it as natural, and that goes against the teaching of many parents. Giving gays the right to marriage must not occur, as it violates natural order."
Thanks for sharing and I ask you to consider this; if the christian agenda gets forced into American culture, what about the 98% of the population who prefer to be non-christian relegious orientatiated and their kids?
Schools will force their kids to learn about christianity and accept it as natural, and that goes against the teaching of many parents. Giving christians the right to exists must not occur, as it violates natural order.
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Not so True
Why do you misrepresent Jesus so much? Your devil is too big and your, God is too small. You are a prime example of "if the salt loses it's saltiness what is it good for"
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