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Kabuto didn't enhance Madara's power
Chapter 601 has provided an effective explanation of what Kabuto meant by "resurrecting Madara beyond his prime". We saw that Madara was elderly, much more so than the likes of Danzo, Hiruzen or the elders. Like 85+ years old. And still, he was resurrected in his youthful form. That's what Kabuto's experimentation was about. He managed to revive Madara with all the power he has amassed right until his death, yet in a youthful body. That's what makes him "complete beyond his prime". It's not like Kabuto added any powers to Madara, he just made him young again (Madara himself said very much the same thing). I thereby suggest to reword all the instances suggesting that Kabuto's experimentation made Madara more powerful. It should be stated more as that it brought him back in his youthful body but with all the powers he had acquired until his old age, inclusive. Xfing (talk) 19:15, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
No, reviving his into his prime = making him young again. "Beyond his prime" = stronger than in his youth.--Elveonora (talk) 21:24, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
- That's what I said. He's revived into his prime age-wise, but has powers exceeding it, like the Rinnegan he awakened shortly before his death. So what Kabuto did is just revive Madara young with all the powers he amassed into old age. This doesn't mean for example that the Hashirama face on Madara's chest is an effect of Kabuto's work like the article suggests. Xfing (talk) 21:21, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Can I please add that it never said the old guy with the sharingan madara? For all we know it could be a random old uchiha who introduced him to madara for all we know... Speculation... 188.8.131.52 (talk) 03:56, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
-_- it looks exactly like Madara but old so there is no way it is anybody else... and Elveonora is right from what I see. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:41, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
People ****ing need to learn some reading comprehension or/and check their eyes, ur like 100th person with "who was that old guy?" doubt and question. It looks like old Madara, and the flashback happened after Kakashi asked Obito why did he join him.--Elveonora (talk) 15:40, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- There is no need to go off on people like that. Not everyone will be as quick on the uptake as you are. When I first saw the face, for a moment I thought Nagato was back... People will get things wrong sometimes--Cerez365™(talk) 15:57, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, of course not everyone is a fast-thinker ... but when dozens of people don't get it, there's something wrong. I have seen people stating absurdities about things in a chapter that weren't even there, like slime coming from Obito's arm, while that was a piece of clothing etc. Since the flashback was in response to a question about Madara, the old dude there was obviously him. And lol Cerez, since when was Nagato that old back then and with a Sharingan? :) They just look very alike (in before adopted son/clone theories)--Elveonora (talk) 17:00, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Guys, back on topic. I will try to explain my reasoning. This is all based on facts, there's little if any speculation involved. Kabuto said that Madara has been restored beyond his prime. "Prime" can be considered as the pinnacle of power as well as young age. Let's look at what Madara had in life.
[+] - he had it [-] - he lacked it
Prime Madara: [+] EMS [+] Young Age [-] Hashirama Tissue/Wood Release [-] Rinnegan
Older Madara [+] EMS [+] Hashirama Tissue/Wood Release [+] Rinnegan - progressed from EMS in conjunction with Senju DNA
Super Old Madara [-] Rinnegan - he gave it away to Nagato [-] Young Age [+] Hashirama Tissue/Wood Release - actually he'd probably been experimenting with that shit ever since the battle at VotE. He already had the flower tree grown etc.
Now what Kabuto meant by enhancing Madara is the following: 1) he resurrected him in his prime, age-wise, (normal Edo would have revived him an old man), while at the same time having access to powers he unlocked way later in life, i.e. past his prime. Like the Wood Release he got only after VotE and working with Hashirama tissue. 2) he resurrected him with his peak abilities intact, that is assuming that Hashirama really did fuck him up after the battle at VotE. And I think he really did, if he hadn't, then why didn't Madara start wreaking havoc again right after he healed up? He probably really did become the shell of his former self, and normal Edo Tensei would have revived him as such. I admit that this point is speculative, though, so it can be skipped. 3) he resurrected him with his original pair of eyes (that is the Rinnegan), even though Madara lacked these eyes at the time of his death. Normal Edo would have resurrected him with that single little left Sharingan replacement instead.
That's what Kabuto meant by saying Madara was completed beyond his prime. He indeed was - he was young and yet possessed abilities he never had in his youth (not until after the VotE battle, at least). that's why he was "enhanced beyond his prime". It's erroneous, though, to think that Kabuto created any of these abilities, as Madara did it himself. He even said so. Kabuto merely took them all and put them in the right place - that is, the young body of Madara.
Edo Madara: [+] Young Age [+] EMS [+] Hashirama Tissue/Wood Release [+] Rinnegan
Not to mention the Edo Tensei perks. Now compare this to Prime Madara and see why this one's better. Xfing (talk) 15:59, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Susanoo ?
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Madara%27s_chakra_and_gunbai.jpg is that some kind of susanoo ? or just his chakra being chanelled through the gunbai and shaped into a wall against the outer path's spears ?--184.108.40.206 (talk) 11:18, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Going with the former.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:19, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Gonna have to disagree there. The chakra begins being channeled immediately when Madara grabs his gunbai. In the next panel, when the shield actually appears, he is see holding his gunbai in a defensive position, whereas when he received it, he was just holding out beside him. There is some significance with that. Furthermore, in the panels following that one, when the barrier flares up, its just that, a barrier. There are no bones and none of the typical formations of Susanoo. Thirdly, Susanoo has never been formed into a wall before. We have seen Madara extensively use his Susanoo in earlier battles and have seen both Itachi and Sasuke make liberal use of their Susanoo, and in none of its three incarnations has it shown to be A) just chakra manifesting without any skeletal structure and B) forming into a wall-like structure. This is obviously coming from the gunbai and is some kind of barrier technique. I doubt it is the Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment, but it is clear that it is coming from the gunbai and that it is not Susanoo. I'll make a page for it, but if anyone disagrees with me, just have it deleted. The evidence is sufficient to suggest in favor of this argument though. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 03:55, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
- EDIT: Not to mention, seen here the sheild Madara creates covers himself AND Obito as well as the aura around just their bodies. Susanoo only covers one person at a time. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 04:00, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
It looks like Susanoo. Arrancar79 (talk) 04:46, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes and the Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment looks like the Four Violet Flames Battle Encampment. The point is, numerous techniques are virtual look alikes in terms of how they are colored and appeared, but just because an attack is colored like Susanoo doesn't make it Susanoo. Like I said, there are no bones, there is no nothing that would indicate Susanoo. Nothing at all. Not even a small fragment. Even the way it used is fundamentally different from Susanoo. In all instances of Susanoo being used for defense, the user at least manifests the ribcage. Using a wall has never happened. Nor has a Susanoo ever covered two people at once in its aura in just its initial state (or any stage for that matter, while all three panels clearly show it covering both Obito and Madara. That alone is enough evidence it isn't Susanoo. Furthermore, the chakra is literally shown covering just the gunbai the page after the barrier is used. The gunbai was placed in a defensive position before the barrier manifested. The gunbai is clearly the source of the barrier. Not Madara. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 04:58, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
Wind nature or Return of Uchiha?
As we never saw what Madara did in the AMV from the game exactly, would it be less speculative to think it was RoU or was the anime only wind nature from something else I missed? Arrancar79 (talk) 04:19, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- Personally, I have the game and have seen the cut scene for myself, and its pretty obvious what happened. There's a gust of wind knocking back a large amount of ninja, followed by the scene cutting to Madara with his gunbai. Though he is not seen in the action of swinging the fan, you have to use common sense here to deduce who is using it. So yes, his usage of the fan to produce wind gusts in the OVA is considered anime usage. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 05:03, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I have the game myself and have watched the scene many times. I wasn't questioning who used it but questioning what happened. He was attacked then we see his attackers blown back accompanied by a disturbance of the air and flattened grass. It was not much of a stretch then to guess what happened but knowing what we know now I believe it is more responsible to attribute it to a use of Return of Uchiha. Unless RoU is stated to have a Wind nature it should be removed till he's seen using a Wind jutsu IMO. Arrancar79 (talk) 23:40, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I've seen the video of those scenes at youtube, and it was pretty clear for me that he made a gust of wind with his gunbai, the likes of which only makes sense through the use of Wind Release. I wouldn't say Uchiha Return is a Wind Release, but it should still be there as long as those scenes are considered anime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:53, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- I have to disagree. It's speculative to continue citing Madara as having a Chakra nature based on so little. He's never used a wind technique and we now see he has the ability to redirect force/jutsu with his war fan. Arrancar79 (talk) 00:15, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- What are you suggesting them? To consider the thing he did in the ova as Uchiha Return? It didn't seem like a defensive move to me, it seemed quite offensive. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:57, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes that's what I'm suggesting. I don't see a difference in how he used it against Naruto rushing him and the group be knocked away. Arrancar79 (talk) 02:11, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Against Naruto, he turned the force of his own attack against him. I don't recall any attack being directed at Madara for him to reflect at any opponent, there might have been some shinobing running towards him, but it was Madara who made the first attack. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:18, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- They were both attacking. He swung his fan as they lept at him. Return of Uchiha is a reasonable explanation for what happened, more so than than to attribute a new elemental nature to him and an un-named wind technique IMO. Arrancar79 (talk) 02:43, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- Just watched the video at youtube again. I guess it could be Uchiha Return, but I find it very odd that the force of reflecting taijutsu and maybe a few blades would cause so much of the vegetation at his feet to bend. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:54, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- I have the game myself and have watched the scene many times. I wasn't questioning who used it but questioning what happened. He was attacked then we see his attackers blown back accompanied by a disturbance of the air and flattened grass. It was not much of a stretch then to guess what happened but knowing what we know now I believe it is more responsible to attribute it to a use of Return of Uchiha. Unless RoU is stated to have a Wind nature it should be removed till he's seen using a Wind jutsu IMO. Arrancar79 (talk) 23:40, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry didn't see this when I reverted. I don't believe that the techniques I saw in the ova fight and the one in the manga are the same. They're repelling entirely different things and I'd feel much more comfortable listing him as having Wind Release as opposed to saying it was this technique. Cerez365™(talk) 12:30, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
I'm for the Wind Release being kept (there's anime only for a purpose so people know it's not canon) because by your suggestion, it would be much more confusing and shitting on canon as at the time the scene was animated, Return of the Uchiha wasn't yet revealed in the manga so the animators had no idea such things exists--Elveonora (talk) 21:39, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
- I can accept the wind nature but it wouldn't be the first thing to show up in Anime first and then manga. If I remember right, Kishi was involved in those scenes as well but maybe not, either way I digress. :) Arrancar79 (talk) 09:07, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Kishimoto was not involved in those scenes, any at all. If what was done in the OVA and the manga are supposed to be the same, then that would mean that all those people Madara blew away jumped on his gunbai and all those weapons did so as well. I was thinking about it and Madara waited for Naruto to make contact with the gunbai before using the technique instead of just blowing him out of the air. Which is why I doubt those two instances are the same.--Cerez365™(talk) 10:04, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
I know this was discussed before, but this really bugs me. Isn't there an adequate and "colored" (the current one is colored but is b&W) picture to put in the infobox?--Holyn (talk) 18:08, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
Abilities contradiction
I noticed a contradiction in the Abilities section. There is on part that says "After activating his Rinnegan and using it in conjunction with his Susanoo", yet in the Rinnegan heading it states "However, it sould be noted that while using the powers granted by one dōjustu he cannot simultaneously access those granted by another." So can he use both the Rinnegan and Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan at the same time or no? —This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
the latter line is 100% speculative and should be removed... he uses Susanoo with Rinnegan all the time, and it's logical that in order to use Rinnegan powers, he has to activate it, just like a Sharingan can't use MS powers--Elveonora (talk) 18:46, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't change the fact that after having the Rinnegan activated, he had to switch to EMS to cast genjutsu at the Raikage. At least some abilities are restrained to each dōjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:06, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Alrighty that clears things up a little Konoha'sBlackXandXWhiteFlash (talk) 02:13, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
Madara gave Nagato
Madara gave Nagato his eyes when Nagato was a kid... So Nagato Possess's the Sharingan and Eternal Mangekyo too. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:21, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
- We don't know how it works. From everything we've seen, Nagato only has access to the Rinnegan.--18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:33, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Or he just never used it on panel... he probably used it to use genjutsu such as on those ame ninja he put extremely powerful genjutsu blocks in. we don't know either way. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:22, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Things like ^that is exactly why we should wait. We don't have to be piecing anything together, Kishimoto is telling us the story, for now, we make mention what was said in the manga and leave it at that...--Cerez365™(talk) 10:30, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Didn't Madara say he left his real eyes with someone else? When Obito was posing as him he told Konan "I gave Nagato the Rinnegan." That's evidence enough, IMO. And as for Nagato not possessing the Sharingan, Kakashi can't shut his Sharingan off because he's not an Uchiha, so it stands to reason Nagato can't shut the Rinnegan off either. At least this chapter confirms Madara created Zetsu. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:29, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
why, any user can't wait for a few more weeks to get more Information? --MaskedManMadara (talk) 16:51, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Loss of power
What proof has their been that Madara had lost any of his powers in his old age. Chapter 602 points more to not being able to use them due to not having two Sharingan and because of dwindled chakra reserves rather than actually having lost them. What Tobi has never been proven. It was just his statement and was probably something he said to make his story about being Madara and resorting to that method sound believable. But there has never been any proof backing him up. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 17:50, September 19, 2012 (UTC))
Yes, I just saw. Sorry. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 18:08, September 19, 2012 (UTC))
Madara said he entrusted his eyes to someone else!!!!!!! Could it be nagato? I mean, it's all there. He said he awakened his Rinnegan shortly before his death, and gave it to nagato. Someone please comment, or at least say it's likely.--18.104.22.168 (talk) 20:24, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
- #Madara gave Nagato. --The Goblin 20:30, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Gedo Mazo life support system beginning
Why should we say in Madara's article that he was on the Gedo Mazo from the time he sustained the injuries in the last fight with Hashirama until he died when he himself has not said he was and we don't know that he was? The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 22:46, September 20, 2012 (UTC))
- The "Mazou" that he mentions isn't the Gedo Mazo, but Hashirama's Living Clone and that term (mazou) means statue --MaskedManMadara (talk) 18:25, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- The Mazō is there in the image of him announcing himself to Obito. You have to strain your eyes because of the scans but the statue is there sitting in the yet-to-be fully-opened flower. If Madara had meant Hashirama's Living Clone he would have referred to it as what he did when he told Obito that he had used it to reconstruct his body; that clone isn't a statue.--Cerez365™(talk) 18:31, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- oh, yeah? I don't know it, I think it to be a statue O_O. but thanks Cerez365, is more things that I know now. MaskedManMadara (talk) 18:48, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
- The Mazō is there in the image of him announcing himself to Obito. You have to strain your eyes because of the scans but the statue is there sitting in the yet-to-be fully-opened flower. If Madara had meant Hashirama's Living Clone he would have referred to it as what he did when he told Obito that he had used it to reconstruct his body; that clone isn't a statue.--Cerez365™(talk) 18:31, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
Why does it say that his injuries from his last fight with Hashirama caused him to have to be on the statue from that point till death when that can't be? He'd need the Rinnegan, which he didn't have then, to summon it and make use of that chakra and he himself didn't say he had been on the Mazo since that last fight. Why should the article say that as though it were a fact that he was? The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 23:32, September 21, 2012 (UTC))
That's a speculation and should be removed... not to mention that would make it more than 40 years he was trapped underground.--Elveonora (talk) 23:48, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
He could'nt have been on the mazou life support (oh i love to say that) from Hashirama's victory t'ill Obito wound up in his underground passageway. Because he would have needed to give that "person" (most likely Nagato) his eyes (most likely the rinnegan), and he was alive for decades and decades after his suppossed defeat, so i'd think that he was incredibley old by that point.22.214.171.124 (talk) 00:02, September 22, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
No man. Madara walked away from the fight and then lived a healthy and happy life. Sewed some wild oats (hence we have Nagato and Rasputia Uchiha) and then contracted cancer in his old age. What we saw there was just chemotherapy with primitive machinery... That's definitely what happened.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:50, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
Why that sarcasm? Read above, in the case he was there since Hashirama "defeat" that would make it more than 40 years, not to mention he likely met Yahiko and Nagato.... hard to believe their meeting was underground--Elveonora (talk) 19:31, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Because there's no other way to respond to this. Madara's article is being edited to say he went on live a long life, through three wars (because he participated in them ~_~) as if he got up from the fight with Hashirama and was fine and dandy, and then contracted a disease in his old age and had to go on life support which is rubbish. Tobi told us that the fight left him a shell of his former self not because he was making excuses for only using Kamui but because it did in fact leave him a shell; unless I'm reading another manga. I've said it before but nothing Tobi has said so far has been a lie. He's only ever omitted the truth. I understand that people love Madara but there's nothing to it but to accept the fact that Hashirama crippled him severely and he lived out the rest of his life in a hole.--Cerez365™(talk) 14:40, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
That's right, Obito never really lied. "I, Uchiha Madara" didn't have anything to do with Kurama attacking Konoha ;) Now you mention it, it's a possibility... could explain that "hell" and "ghost of Uchiha Madara" parts. He "lived" there since then and considered himself as dead. Poor Madara 0_0--Elveonora (talk) 15:09, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
The Fading into obscurity thing I put in there is there to say that he was never seen or heard from again. What I wrote is there to say he lived through them, not that he fought them. He did get stronger, shown in everything he has now for the sake of his Eye of the Moon plan. The reason he was on the Gedo when he was old isn't known. Could have been because he was too old and needed it, even with Hashirama's cells. He was was over 100 The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 15:13, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
- editconflict If people consider Obito calling himself Madara simply a "lie" then they are reading the story too one dimensionally. I don't understand how people can think that someone could walk out of a fight unscathed in a battle that essentially created an entire valley and another nation.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:20, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Not to mention we saw him pierced by a sword, and Hashirama barely survived with his "self-healing no jutsu" looked at it through Cerez's way, makes more sense (even if cruel, but this manga isn't about ponies) than him surviving, living happily after, manipulating from shadows for so long and then getting crippled--Elveonora (talk) 15:28, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Nobody is saying he got out of the fight unscathed, just that it was never really proven that he was just a shell of his former self. His injuries and all were severe yes, but with the way he could treat Obito's wounds and save him with Hashirama's cells, is it really reasonable to think that he couldn't do the same to himself? Not to mention, he was nowhere near where he was when he was on the Gedo when he last fought Hashirama and lost. He may have been wounded terribly, but he got stronger. No one is saying it was easy. It was probably very hard and took him a very long time. Think also about the fact that he had Hashirama's cells and that they, given Tsunade's testament to Tobi's possession of them, Madara might haven been able to extend his life by harvesting them and allowing him to train and learn how to use his Wood Release like he can. The reason he needed to go on the Gedo is unexplained. It may have been because of dwindled chakra reserves or some kind of genetic malfunction with Hashirama's DNA that was making him weaker rather than helping him maintain his training and preparation for future plans. To state something we don't know as a fact, such as being a shell of his former self, and present it as a fact is speculation and unnecessary. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 15:38, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
- All of that however, is speculation based on things that was never seen. What we do know:
- Hashirama and Madara fought.
- Madara lost.
- Madara survived and became a shell of his former self.
- Madara used that battle to gather the Firsts' cells.
- Madara is attached to a giant statue covered in Zetsu's which were built with First cells.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:42, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Madara did not become a shell of his former self as far as fact goes. We don't know that he did. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 19:35, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
But we work only with facts, we know these things:
- he got pierced by Hashirama's sword, and "died" not to mention he sure had many more wounds... how he survived is unknown now.
- became a shell of his former self
- gedo life support
There's no incident in between, so unless more information is provided, Hashi battle made him what he was in chapter 602 --Elveonora (talk) 19:52, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Thats no fact. He didn't become a shell of his former self. Tobi said that, not him and it stands to reason that since he is weaker than Madara, which he factually admitted, then he say something like that to get others to believe what he said about being Madara was true. He himself has not stated that or in any way implied it. He was no shell of his former self factually because he only got stronger after losing at the Valley of the End, not weaker. Everything else you said was true, but that wasn't. Be realistic. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 21:39, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
Be realistic? This is a damn manga, you know right? You are speculating too much, your "sense and logic" aren't above information provided... you can't simply arrange it the way you want. What we know is listed, the end. EDIT: Itachi said the same about shell thing, also how is being connected to a flower in order to survive considered as getting stronger?--Elveonora (talk) 22:21, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
He wasn't connected to the Gedo for all those years after losing and Itachi, just like Nagato, knew Tobi and believed that he was Madara and Tobi is weaker than Madara. Hes admitted that. The reason he, not Madara, would probably have said such a thing was so others, like Itachi, Nagato, and the five Kage, would believe that thats who he was and why he would resort to a plan like that. Onoki questioned that himself. In everything that has been seen of Madara himself, nothing has said or shown that he became a shell of his former self after he lost that last battle with Hashirama. Thats a fact. I'm not speculating, you are. In all that we saw of Madara's past when Tobi was telling Sasuke about everything that happened with Madara, he did not mention, imply, or even contemplate to himself that Madara was just a shell of his former self. The fact that he made that statement to the five Kage without us seeing any proof it was true opens a possibility that what he said was just a lie to make his story sound believable. He spent all those decades training with the Wood Release and mastered it so powerfully. He was also able to awaken the Rinnegan. Whenever he did so, it was after that battle and therefore, he got stronger period after it. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 22:50, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
- But here is the thing: Where do you assume this? Everything Tobi and Itachi has said about Madara was correct, based on what we have seen. You are just assuming he walked out of that battle and got god mode somehow. That is not how we were told, and not how we've seen.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:07, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Correction, we have not seen that Madara was just a shell of his former self after losing that last battle and only most of what Tobi and Itachi said was shown to be true. Not everything. Saying he was just a shell of his former self after that battle when it was never shown that he was was just words. Nothing backing it up. The only thing we have seen about him losing to Hashirama is that he was severely wounded, which doesn't prove that was a shell of what he was before losing that battle, only that he lost and survived it. Neither Itachi nor Tobi's statements about that have been proven true. Thats a fact. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 23:30, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
It doesn't really make sense we argue out this point. It is true that we only know bits and pieces that have yet to be glued together of what happened after the battle at the valley of the end and Madara finding Obito, but I would however be really shocked if that battle and Madara's state aren't directly related. Any way, as long as the information remains how it is (or at least how I last remember it being) for now, it's enough for me.--Cerez365™(talk) 23:52, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
My point exactly Cerez. It has so far no been shown that he was a shell of his former self after losing that battle or that he was on that Mazo from the time he lost till he died. Next chapter may change some or all of that., but as it stands right now, none of that is fact. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 00:11, September 24, 2012 (UTC))
"awakened Rinnegan before death"
I'm pretty sure he wasn't referring to him dying after the 3rd SWW, but before being "killed" by Hashirama, as he considered himself to be dead afterwards. He gave his eyes to Nagato decades before, and had only a spare ordinary Sharingan by the time he met Obito. Not to mention he wouldn't have such mastery over it if it was by his old age. Should be reworded in my opinion--Elveonora (talk) 15:25, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Madara came out and stated that he awakened it shortly before his death. Doubt that mean't decades and until he says what he meant about leaving his real eyes with someone else, we can only speculate that subject. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 15:51, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
It is impossible, at this point in time, to determine which "death" Madara was referring to. However, implications seem to be hinting it was the former...the one at the Valley of the End. There are two things supporting this, one of which is evidence: firstly, we have to consider the fact that Madara, having just been resurrected by Edo Tensei, would have had no idea how much his summoner knew with regards to his life. Thus, he would attempt to disclose the least amount of information possible. An example of this is found in chapter 561, where Madara asks Kabuto how much he knows: during the entirety of his explanation, he remains silent. It's obvious he isn't intent on revealing anything about his life and death. So why wouldn't he make a vague statement that can be interpreted in one of two ways, especially given the fact that Kabuto knows more than the average individual (his extra knowledge would actually be a detriment in this situation, as it only confuses the situation further)? To the rest of the world, Madara died at Hashirama's hand over 60 years ago. Why not continue to uphold that falsity? It wouldn't be in Madara's best interests to reveal conflicting information.
Secondly, Madara clearly says in chapter 602 that he left his real eyes to someone else. That "someone else" is obviously Nagato, and it is evidence against Madara's statement being a reference to his true death. I will explain why: at this point, Nagato having the Rinnegan is due to one of two reasons: either Madara transplanted his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan into Nagato, whose Uzumaki blood caused the eyes to progress to their final stage, or Madara directly gave Nagato the Rinnegan, already having completed the last step with Hashirama's Senju DNA. Based off these two scenarios, it would be impossible for Madara to have awakened the Rinnegan (possibly again) before his real death because he would have needed a new EMS to get to that final stage. What are the odds of that happening? Infinitesimally low. Not just because of the difficulty of the procedure, but because Madara was missing a right eye in this latest chapter.
Now, you may be asking how Kabuto managed to modify Madara back to his prime form, with enhancements such as the Rinnegan, that he gave away years before dying (Edo Tensei supposedly works by resurrecting the person as they were moments before death): the truth is, I have no idea. There's obviously something bigger going on here. But at this stage in the game, it's not unlikely to think that Madara was talking about his "death" at VoTE, especially given his words this chapter: "ghost of the Uchiha." 126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:09, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Not to mention that would make 2 pairs of Rinnegan eyes, obviously, besides Sage's, there has been only one other pair--Elveonora (talk) 19:20, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Thats what I said as far as his death goes, however, it has yet to be seen what he mean't and we can't be sure he mean't Nagato until chapter 603 is out. Only then can we know that as a fact. Also, just because he gave away his eyes, doesn't mean he lost the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan dojutsu, or the Rinnegan if he had awakened before giving his eyes away. Its a kekkei genkai. Its in his blood. His genetics and works through his eyes, not just within the eyes themselves. He also said he couldn't awaken the full potential of his eyes without two, which the full potential to him would be everything he achieved. Think about that. The Fox King(email@example.com (talk) 21:46, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
I don't see a reason to doubt that... these are facts:
- Madara and Nagato knew each other
- Tobi claimed that "I Madara" did give Nagato the Rinnegan
- Madara assumes Nagato revived him with Rinne Tensei no jutsu
- Madara confirms he gave his eyes to someone
The way it's worded now sounds like he produced 2 pairs of Rinnegan eyes in his lifetime, should be changed to: "Shortly before being presumed to have been killed by Hashirama in their final confrontation at a place later to be known as Valley of The End, Madara awakened his Rinnegan"--Elveonora (talk) 22:19, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Indeed it should should it be revealed to have been that way in the next chapter when we hopefully find out for sure what he mean't. The Fox king(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 22:41, September 23, 2012 (UTC))
Second Rikudou
I thought it to be clear that Madara is such, not Obito. Everything Tobi/Obito did say under "I, Madara" has been under this guy's name and were his actions/deeds. Nagato's Rinnegan couldn't have given by Obito, clearly. Also Madara did awake Rinnegan, not Obito, thus the title belong to him--Elveonora (talk) 04:33, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- I think we're simply waiting for something more clear-cut than the "Tobi said it as Madara" bid.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:47, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
It's obviously obvious... doubting Obito's "Madara" statements is paranoid at this point.
- Obito wasn't alive when Nagato got Rinnegan
- Kabuto compared Madara's power to be a fragment of that of So6p
- Madara did awake the Rinnegan, making him "another Sage"
- There's no reason for Obito to be 2nd Rikudou, eye/name/title thief suits him better
- Same goes for Madara being the Akatsuki's creator, my topic got ignored completely
--Elveonora (talk) 17:04, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
I never said it was doubted, nor is anyone being paranoid. Just that the general consensus I got on this matter(s) is that we wait...--Cerez365™(talk) 17:12, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
I think we've waited long enough, this latest chapter confirmed all the things tobi said he's done under Madara's name was done by Madara... no point in waiting any longer, we're not going to get much more than that.MangekyoSasuke (talk) 04:41, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
Izanagi and Yin-Yang Release.
As we saw as of chapter 606, it was indeed Madara who tutored Obito into all those powerful dojutsu such as Izanagi...now in regards to the Yin-Yang style, i'm in the wind in as to his application of it...namely the creation of Black Zetsu and his explanation to his creation of the chakra rods as an physical aplication of his will. Now my question is...should be named as an Izanagi user and should his Yin-Yang use be stated? Darksusanoo (talk) 12:04, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Another detail is the fact that Madara reffered to the various White Zetsu's as being created by the Yin-Yang powers...soo, any opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 12:53, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
He clearly could/can use Izanagi and taught Obito the technique--Elveonora (talk) 16:06, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Or he can use it in principle and taught it to Obito, in principle? Information about him using Yin Yang Release has been added to his article.--Cerez365™(talk) 16:08, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
He taught him Uchiha Kinjutsu, not to mention don't tell me Obito found out about Izanagi himself--Elveonora (talk) 16:13, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- By principle to teach a technique in an efficient manner as seen with Obito, the teacher (Madara) should have first hand experience in using said technique. You can't teach a complex technique like that and not have mastered said technique. Besides Madara is known for his extensive knowledge and use of these complex techniques. Now what about his creation of Black Zetsu? Does that qualify as Yin-Yang as well? Darksusanoo (talk) 16:27, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
The fact that him is listed as a Izanagi user is because of his genjutsu or because he says that he will teach Obito about the clan's kinjutsu? MaskedManMadara (talk) 18:42, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- The second since there are only two Uchiha Kinjutsu and one was only created to neutralize the other and is pretty much useless on it's own and Obito only used Izanagi as off now Darksusanoo (talk) 18:59, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
Now, so that people won't say i got most of this stuff out of thin air, here's the translation which confirms that the Yin-Yang was also used to create the Zetsu clones. And since Madara is pretty much the only user at the time the Zetsu clones were first created that pretty much is worth a mention. Darksusanoo (talk) 19:42, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
What i don't get is, did he really have yin-yang thanks to dna or was it because of the sharingan?--Aeonophic (talk) 15:59, October 21, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic
One doesn't need Sharingan to have either. Second Mizukage used Yin Release, Yin and Yang are the source of several non-elemental ninjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:14, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
If so, then why does Obito Uchiha have earth release and water release, but also has yin-yang release?--Aeonophic (talk) 19:09, October 21, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic
- Because he used an Earth Release technique and Wood one as well, thus should be able to use Water in addition
- Used Izanagi and Madara taught him presumably others
- I don't get what ur asking... --Elveonora (talk) 19:14, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
Adding a "Legacy" section
What do you think, guys? Perhaps we should add a "Legacy" section for Madara, for example because he's technically deceased and because he turned out to be the direct cause of everything that's going on now? Xfing (talk) 23:52, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Go ahead. He is dead, and if they influence crap after death then boom, section.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 00:02, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
New Technique
As it seen in the latest chapter, Madara used Yin-Yang Release to create Black Zetsu by transfering part of his will into a Zetsu clone. Now i'm wondering if by what was shown, warrants the creation of a jutsu article based on what shown and stated. Any opinions/ideas? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:53, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
"creation of all things" even if speculative, makes sense... I think that's also exactly how the Meteorites were created and why Kabuto compared Madara to So6p during that instance--Elveonora (talk) 21:11, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
It's a stretch at best to be creation of all things...but i do believe it to be a technique in it's own right. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:44, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Any other opinions for this topic? Darksusanoo (talk) 18:29, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
The best bet is what I put forward, but this isn't a place where bets are taken as fact, thus we will have to wait. Pointless topic, since how would you call that... Zetsu creation technique?--Elveonora (talk) 22:19, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
- That's not the one, i'm talking about the Yin-Yang technique Madara used to create the Black Zetsu by transfering a portion of his will onto a Zetsu clone...given we had a description, an image of how it was used and a user, it could warrant a creation...maybe Will Transfer Technique, since it was shown in translation that Black Zetsu was basically a low grade replica of Madara due to being infused with his will or conscience.Darksusanoo (talk) 00:24, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Now with that i can agree...is there any other thoughts on this topic?Darksusanoo (talk) 15:43, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
Where exactly was it said that Black Zetsu was created using Yin-Yang Release? Because I only heard that the clones of White Zetsu were created using such- even then Madara had nothing to do with that- the statue and the living clone did all that. Yes he did implant his will into White Zetsu and the chakra receiver, but why exactly does a technique article need to be created for it? It's just one more place that speculation as to what his "will" is to be presented in a more "visible" fashion. Mentioning that he did it in his general abilities section should suffice, at least for now in my opinion.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:57, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
- Madara said it himself, whem he said he was teaching Obito Yin-Yang Techniques, plus the Yin-Yang as a whole has very little information to it, plus we have a (small granted) description that by infusing his will onto Zetsu to create it's Black side, he created a low grade replica of himself...given how Yin-Yang as whole appears to revolve around the manipulation of reality and creation...and the will part...to me i see it as a portion of his psyche/soul/chakra...since he said that the other portion in the chakra receiver for his revival, i'm imagining that is the reason for it. Either way i believe that what was used to create Black Zetsu is a Yin-Yang technique in it own right since it envolves the transformation of imagination (Madara's will) into a physical thing (The Black Zetsu).
Anyone care to join in? Darksusanoo (talk) 14:59, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think anyone disagrees with it being a yin-yang release, but there's no need to create an article for that... closest thing to that would be "creation of all things" and that's speculative--Elveonora (talk) 02:16, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
Respect Shown
Is it worthy saying that Madara has shown equal respect for Naruto just as for Hashirama ? --22.214.171.124 (talk) 16:14, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
this is me asking, (went online unintentionally) --Naruto6paths (talk) 16:17, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
And you concluded as such due to what..?--Elveonora (talk) 22:15, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
After witnessing naruto countering his wood release: nativity of a world of trees and looking for the original naruto (when he used his shadow clones) just only to negotiate "seemingly" this can apply to his respect, instead of just talking to his shadow clones. --Naruto6paths (talk) 19:31, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
Did he really try to convince Naruto?
While reading the chapter it is impossible to ascertain whether Naruto's "Like hell that will work! I'm the son of th 4th Hokage!" was a response to Madara's talking or his attacks. We have no way to say, so I suggest all the parts saying Madara was trying to convince Naruto that the Eye of the Moon is for the good, should be removed. Xfing (talk) 10:49, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
What Madara says in return more strongly implies that he was trying to convince Naruto of his plan being for the good of humanity. Besides, on side points, Madara has shown genuine belief that his plan is for the greater good of humanity. The Fox King(firstname.lastname@example.com (talk) 12:45, November 12, 2012 (UTC))
Shadow Clone/Wood Clone
Is it noteworthy that Madara states he was the only one to be able to see through wood clones but he can't distinguish Naruto from his shadow clones (Considering he is alway surprised when he hits one of them)? --126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:16, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
This is weird, as at first he could tell which is Naruto and a clone...--Elveonora (talk) 23:49, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, forgot that then--220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:13, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
Edo Tensei
Should madara's knowledge of Edo Tensei be listed under his intelligence section. He knows about its origins and how to break the contract.--Trogdor247 (talk) 08:42, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
- There is nothing in particular that speaks to his intelligence there. The technique was created during his era in a village he lived in. He either stole the information or simply knew about it, it isn't exactly a hijutsu.--Cerez365™(talk) 08:52, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
That's knowledge not intelligence--Elveonora (talk) 08:55, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


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The Banshee is a two-seater sports car. The car is one of the traditional sports cars for the series, appearing in every GTA game since Grand Theft Auto III
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In Grand Theft Auto III, San Andreas and Liberty City Stories, the Banshee resembles a first generation Dodge Viper RT/10, with its dual exhaust and curvilinear design. It differs from it's real life counterpart in its narrower width and headlight design. This rendition of the Banshee is the only top-down convertible that the player cannot jump into without opening the driver door.
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In Grand Theft Auto IV, the Bravado Banshee resembles a second generation Dodge Viper, but has side-pipe exhaust and a shorter roofline, resembling the third or fourth generation Dodge Viper. The front fascia loosely resembles the Marcos Mantis GT, while the taillights resemble those of the Aston Martin DB9. Unlike the real-life Viper's V10 engine, the in-game Banshee has a 4.9L twin-turbocharged V8, according to the AutoEroticar website, and can be seen in-game if the player inflicts enough damage to cause the hood to open.
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The Banshee in GTA IV is very fast, thanks to its twin-turbocharged V8 mated to a 5-speed transmission with an FR configuration. The acceleration and top speed are similar to that of most exotic sports cars in the game, such as the Super GT, Turismo, and Comet. It is the 5th fastest car in the game, being faster than the Super GT but slower than the Infernus.
The car has sharp handling with the expense of stability. The high powered engine coupled to the rear wheel drive causes the rear wheels to lose traction easily. Fortunately, power distribution is smooth, making it easier to control. It requires extra caution to maintain the traction when cornering at high speed, otherwise the rear wheels will slide. Many, however, find this handling characteristic preferable. Those who are able to control the car's high power output will be able to play with this weakness. The Banshee is an excellent racing vehicle, given that the player can properly control the squirrely handling. The suspension is firm and set low, often leaving the Banshee's ground effects victim to curbs and otherlow-laying objects Braking is very good; the Banshee out-brakes every other vehicle in the game, and ABS is standard on all models. Crash deformation is moderate; it copes reasonably well with head-on crashes, however after a while the engine will begin to fail.
As a result of the outstanding performance, this can easily compete with the fastest cars in the game. However, for some reason, the Banshee is not considered to be a supercar in online race classes or by characters (e.g. it is not approved by Alex Chilton, who is fond of supercars/expensive cars).
And, like the Infernus, Buffalo, F620, Sultan RS and Bullet GT, the Banshee occasionally burns excess fuel from its exhaust pipes when shifting gears.
Unique Variants
- In GTA IV, Brucie Kibbutz owns a black Banshee with a yellow stripe, which he dubs "The Bitch". He intended to use this car in the street race in the mission No. 1, but the car failed to start (likely due to the fact that Brucie personally tuned the car). Having an alternative in mind, Brucie called his friend Stevie for a replacement car, Stevie's bright yellow Comet.
- In Brucie's Exotic Exports side missions, he will eventually request a unique navy blue banshee with a white stripe.
- A Banshee is requested as part of Stevie's Car Thefts, sporting a uniquely bright red body with an orange stripe. As with all of the cars Stevie requests, the requested vehicle will respawn at the same spot until the player delivers one to S&M Auto Sales in Bohan. The player can save one at any safehouse before returning to deliver one to Stevie. The car may spawn in the Cabriolet or Hardtop variant.
- A red Banshee Cabriolet is seen on the TV show I'm Rich. It has a custom front bumper, a unique pair of black stripes and the center of the wheels are black. This is probably an early design of the Banshee.
- In the mission Meltdown, you steal a Banshee from a random NPC to chase after Luca. The Banshee is gray with a dark stripe in a unique shade.
- Chan Jaoming is depicted in GTA Chinatown Wars to own a modified Banshee, which features purple paint with red stripes, a spoiler and light purple underglows at night, similar to the modified Comet. The car is obtainable in two missions: The first is in "Jackin' Chan", when the car is caught in an inferno following a failed attempt by the Irish Killers to kidnap Chan, and the car must be used to transport Chan to safety. The player must fail the mission to obtain the car. The second is during "Clear the Pier", when Chan uses the car as a getaway vehicle. The player can pin the car to a wall and carjack it outright, allowing them to complete the mission while the car is in their possession.
Modifications (GTA San Andreas)
- The Banshee can only be modified at TransFender.
- Car Color 1 ($150)
- Car Color 2 ($150)
- 2x Nitrous ($200)
- 5x Nitrous ($500)
- 10x Nitrous ($1000)
- Import ($820)
- Atomic ($770)
- Ahab ($1000)
- Virtual ($620)
- Access ($1140)
- Off Road Wheel ($1000)
- Mega ($1030)
- Grove ($1230)
- Twist ($1200)
- Wires ($1560)
Hydraulics ($1500)
Note: The TransFender in [Las Venturas] charges 20% more (except for colors).
Prominent Appearances (spoilers)
- During the Introduction, a Banshee can be seen being driven to the bank.
- GTA Liberty City Stories
- In Hot Wheels, Vincenzo Cilli instructs Toni Cipriani to pick up a Banshee for him, which is later revealed to be used as bait by the police. After learning of Vincenzo's disregard for Toni's safety and effectively quitting as his goon, Toni has the car crushed at the Harwood Autocrusher and Junkyard.
- In the opening cutscene of The Trouble With Triads, Salvatore Leone is depicted to have purchased a brand new and uniquely colored black-and-white Banshee with Maria as the passenger, suggestively indicative of his mid-life crisis. After showing it off to Toni Cipriani, he drives off, only to leave the car crashed into a tree as the player returns near the end of the mission.
- Leon McAffrey, a corrupt LCPD detective, uses a Banshee as his unmarked police car.
- GTA San Andreas
- The Banshee is used in several tests at the Driving School.
- Lenny Petrovic uses his Banshee as a getaway car during Final Destination.
- A Banshee is driven by Shon Kikuchi, a Most Wanted criminal.
- The Banshee plays the following radio stations by default when entered:
- Radio X in GTA San Andreas.
- The Vibe 98.8 in GTA IV.
- In GTA San Andreas, the Banshee is one of a handful of vehicles where CJ kicks the driver instead of punching them or slamming their into the steering wheel. This is probably due to the fact that the Banshee sits quite low to the ground.
- In GTA IV, hardtop Banshees don't have windows, so they're easier to steal than other cars. This is counteracted by an alarm that will go off when the door is opened.
- The Banshee is one of 4 vehicles in San Andreas named after mythical creatures, the other 3 being the Hydra, Phoenix and Leviathan.
- A Banshee is an Irish female spirit whose wailing warns of coming death.
- The Pontiac Firebird was originally named the Pontiac Banshee during its development stages.
- Despite it being classified as a sports car, most characters show disdain for the car. (e.g. many of Niko's girlfriends do not like the Banshee)
- Sold at the Auto Merchant for $800 in GTA Chinatown Wars.
- Driving around in a Banshee may cause the Feltzer to appear more often.
- The Banshee returns in Grand Theft Auto V, as seen in the Trevor's trailer, at about 24 seconds.
- In GTA IV, the Banshee can be seen colored baby blue with a yellow stripe. This is probably a reference to the famous Gulf Livery used on many race cars.
- Spawns around Staunton Island and Shoreside Vale.
- Inside Capital Autos in Harwood, Portland Island.
- Outside Asuka Kasen's apartment in Newport, Staunton Island.
- Kenji's Casino, Torrington, Staunton Island.
- Parking lot west of Wichita Gardens, Shoreside Vale.
GTA Vice City
- Next to a mansion with a Rockstar swimming pool on Starfish Island.
- Under a blue building north of the Pay 'n' Spray in Washington Beach.
GTA San Andreas
- Next to the Cobra Marital Arts Gym in Garcia, San Fierro, after completion of the Driving School. The car is consistently colored navy blue with a black stripe. It also has a custom license plate, spelling "DBP".
- In the Come-A-Lot Casino parking lot.
- Spawns around Rodeo, Los Santos.
- Spawns around The Strip and the Old Venturas Strip in Las Venturas.
- Importable from the Easter Basin chalkboard for $36000 on Thursday after completion of all 3 export lists.
GTA Liberty City Stories
- Spawns around Staunton Island and Shoreside Vale.
- Behind the Big Shot Casino, Torrington, Staunton Island.
- In an underground parking lot in Bedford Point, Staunton Island.
- In the Liberty Tree offices parking lot.
- In the Newport Multistory Car Park.
GTA Vice City Stories
- West of the Empire Building in northern Downtown Vice City.
- Parked in front of a mansion in the middle of Starfish Island.
- Usually spawns on Starfish Island.
- Sometimes found at Francis International Airport.
- Often spawn around Alderney City, Middle Park, City Hall, Castle Gardens, The Exchange, Castle Garden City Algonquin, and Rotterdam Hill.
- Sometimes spawn around Beachgate, Middle Park East, Hatton Gardens, Lancaster and Lancet.
- Occasionally spawn around Varsity Heights, Westminster, The Meat Quarter, Suffolk, and South Slopes.
- Spawn in traffic in GTA IV Multiplayer.
- In Hossan's random encounter, the man whom Hossan and Niko chase drives a white Banshee with a stripe of a random color.
- The Banshee can also be encountered in Brucie's races, but taking it (without winning first) will result in forfeiting the race and a drop in Brucie's 'like' percentage.
- Encountered when pursuing Shon Kikuchi, (a Most Wanted criminal) who drives a Banshee as an escape vehicle. If the player can kill him without destroying the vehicle, it can be driven and kept after completion of the mission.
- Used in the mission Meltdown to chase Luca Silvestri in his Lokus. Usually grey with a black stripe.
- Occasionally found at Auto Eroticar.
GTA Chinatown Wars
- At the BOABO Merchant.
- Usually seen in south and middle Algonquin.
- Parked in the driveway of the south-westernmost house in Meadow Hills, Dukes


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Last night, while lying in bed and thinking about my Halloween articles, I was reading through the 1988 edition of The Guinness Book of World Records. While I was happily flipping the pages and feeling slightly ashamed over my lack of any records, I stumbled upon the craziest world record I have ever seen.
A woman, who had suffered a seizure and was pronounced clinically-dead, gave birth to a child 84 days after she died. As in, a corpse gave birth to a living child.
I'll give you a moment to think that one over. Done? All right, lets take a look at exactly what this means.
I looked up the definition of clinically-dead and the definition does nothing to explain this phenomena. According to Wikipedia, Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain life.
Listen: Necessary criteria to sustain life. If blood circulation and breathing are the two basic functions needed to sustain life more basic than food and water then how did this corpse give birth to life? How did something that cannot even sustain its own life give birth to another life?
Is your mind blown yet? Because I'm about to have my own seizure over here.
As the record claims, the woman was kept alive via a breathing apparatus, like an iron lung or some other behemoth machine that whines and wheezes for you. Imagine a team of doctors pumping oxygen into a corpse for 84 days, monitoring the baby's vital signs the whole time.
How did this team of doctors manage to keep the child alive? Eighty-four days of gestation is a long time, so how did they know she was pregnant? Where was the father? There are so many questions that this snippet leaves unanswered!
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The Vice City Bikers is a motorcycle club in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - simply put, they are "the biggest family of misfits, outcasts and badasses" as quoted by their leader, "Big" Mitch Baker. A group of stereotypical bikers, they wear leather, give off a gruff, tough persona, have long beards and hair, wear biker attire and ride chopper style motorcycles. Circa 1986, they are the only gang, along with the Cuban Gang, that Tommy Vercetti opens relations without forcibly taking it over. Kent Paul gives Tommy a call that Love Fist won't start the concert without protection. During the first mission, Mitch Baker gives him a race to prove his skill with Cougar and Zeppelin. Right after that, Tommy gets anxious and demands Baker protect Love Fist, but Baker responds to him that this is about family and not a battle. On his second mission, Baker tells Tommy to wreak havoc in Downtown . On his last mission, Baker (who is playing a pinball machine) tells Tommy that he must steal back his bike from the Streetwannabe's and then take it back to The Greasy Chopper bar. Right after that, Mitch calls Tommy to confirm that he has given some protection for the Love Fist concert. This indicates that Tommy is now a member, as Mitch told him that they only do favors for their own, and a beta outfit entitled MC Tommy exists.
The Hells Angels motorcycle club is the inspiration for the gang, as they are later hired as security for a concert of the hair metal band Love Fist. This is an obvious reference to the disastrous Rolling Stones' show at Altamont, where Hells Angels were hired as security and an Angel stabbed a member of the crowd. They are heavily influenced by Neo-Nazi culture, with some of them have Eiserne Kreuze (Iron Cross) tattoos on their shoulders, as well as wearing Pickelhaubes.
In Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories, the Vice City Bikers are revealed to be a large criminal organisation owning several businesses in Downtown Vice City and Vice Point. They appear to be at war with other local gangs the Streetwannabe's and Cholos for Empire sites. In 1984, during Victor Vance's takeover, the Bikers were ultimately forced into hiding controlling a very small part of south Downtown where their base of operations is run out of The Greasy Chopper. They also apparently run some kind of business out of the Moist Palms Hotel as they can be found there in GTA Vice City during rampages and in the mission Taking the Fall in GTA VCS.
Known Territory as of 1986
- The Greasy Chopper - Motor bar, possible informal Club House, Big Mitch Baker's favorite hangout.
- Moist Palms Hotel - Possibly extorted by the club as many members can be seen outside.
- Pole Position - Two members can be seen sitting at the table with the heavier set girl dancing on it.
- Mitch Baker - Boss
- Cougar - Enforcer
- Zeppelin - Enforcer
- Harris Mint - Enforcer
Mission Appearances
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Theater 9 is now referred to as Auditorium I. The carpeting and the auditorium seats have been switched out and the restrooms have been moved. The complex has been renamed.
But the stairwell 18-year-old Alejandra Cardona-Lamas and her friends used to escape the auditorium after a gunman walked in and opened fire, remains the same.
"It helped to save my life," said Cardona-Lamas, who Tuesday toured what was Century Aurora 16. "It's right there in its same place."
She was among hundreds of victims and their families granted access to the place where 12 people were killed and 70 were injured in a mass shooting July 20.
For those who went to the movies that fateful night, the visit was an opportunity to reflect and perhaps offered them some sort of closure in the wake of a shooting that changed the community.
And Thursday, the newly named Century Aurora, dark since the shooting, will officially reopen with an event billed as an evening of remembrance. Aurora Mayor Steve Hogan, Gov. John Hickenlooper and Cinemark chief executive Tim Warner plan to make remarks.
City of Aurora officials expected to distribute about 2,000 tickets to victims, first responders, employees from several metro-area hospitals and volunteers.
Several families of victims said they will boycott the reopening, insisting it's nothing more than a publicity ploy by Cinemark.
Cinemark has consistently declined requests for comment in regard to anything related to the shooting.
At the time of the shooting, Cardona-Lamas was a recent graduate of nearby Gateway High School. Now a freshman at Colorado State University, she said returning to the place where she could have lost her life was tough.
"It just brought the memories back," said Cardona-Lamas, who escaped that night with her boyfriend and younger sister.
Cardona-Lamas, who was seated in the middle of a row toward the back of the packed house, remembers the sting of tear gas and the mass chaos.
"We sat in similar seats to where we were when he started shooting," she said Wednesday. "I don't know why we sat back in those seats, but we did."
Cinemark spent about $1 million changing the look of the multiplex — inside and out. The other auditoriums are also designated by a letter.
According to building plans filed with the city, Cinemark made significant changes to Theater 9, transforming it into an "extreme digital" theater with a wall-to-wall, ceiling-to-floor screen.
Cardona-Lamas said she believes Cinemark could have done more to alter the multiplex.
"Everyone knows that this 'extreme digital' theater with the letter 'H' is really Theater 9," she said. "Name it whatever they want, it'll always be Theater 9, where people went to the movies and didn't walk out."
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You may be aware that European honeybee populations have experienced steep declines in recent years. But they're not the only ones. Another bee is also struggling for survival, and this one is native to the United States. It's the rusty-patched bumble bee. And as Jennifer Mitchell reports, insect conservationists are taking steps to make it the first bumble bee officially listed as an endangered species in America.
It's already been listed as endangered in Canada, where only three of the fuzzy, orange-dotted bees have been observed in the wild over the last 10 years. Bombus affinis, or the rusty-patched bumble bee (right), was once a common sight in fields across most of northeastern North America, from Ontario all the way to the southern United States.
Maine was smack in the middle of its range. "Relatively recently, it's disappeared from more than 85 percent of its historic range," says Sarina Jepson, who is with the Xerces Society for Invertebrate Conservation in Washington.
Jepson says this is why her group, with support from other conservationists around the country, has filed a petition with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service asking that Bombus affinis, a formerly busy pollinator, be protected.
"Pollinators, in general, contribute to the pollination of more than 85 percent of our flowering plants, and they actually contribute to one in three bites of food that we eat," Jepson says. So the world really can't afford to lose even a single pollinator species, she says.
But it's hard to know how to save a disappearing bee when you don't really know why it's gone. There are several hypotheses on why the rusty-patched bumble bee might be declining through much of the Northeast, says Frank Drummond, an insect specialist with the University of Maine.
Possible stressors may include pesticides from commercial and private gardens, or pathogens from other, non-native bee species. The disappearance could also be linked to the region's vanishing agrarian lifestyle.
"From New England's perspective, it used to be that New England was much less forested than it is now, and forest habitats are not the best foraging areas for bees," Drummond says. "And now Maine is the most forested state in the continental U.S."
All those flowery cow pastures and hay meadows of the last few centuries acted as one big bee salad bar, and that can't be overlooked, he says.
U.S. Fish & Wildlife has a year in which to respond to the petition to add the rusty-patched bumble bee to its protected rolls. If endangered status is granted, it's unclear what would happen next. According to Sarina Jepson with the Xerces Society, the listing would at least mean some protection for bee forage, and a closer look at site-specific threats such as pesticide application.
But she says landowners need not fear draconian restrictions; the government would most likely work with landowners to preserve land use while promoting bee habitat.


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Hiii guys! Now, I'm jumping back to NYFW.. (will be jumping back and forth from NYFW to LFW, sorry!). I was very fortunate to be invited to the Michael Kors show last Wednesday, Sept. 11, 2013 for their S/S '14 show. I arrived about 15 mins early to the show and was able to get seated quite quickly… had the best time 1) not feeling rushed and 2) having time to actually sit back and people watch as guests got into their seats. I was sitting arms reach from Miroslava Duma, Giovanna Battaglia and across from me was Anna Dello Russo; pretty epic.
I was excited to see the collection up close and personal. As the show was about to start and the lights quietly dimmed, the music began and the first model with a male companion opened the show. They welcomed a very "summery romance with a bunch of florals, slit skirts and rustic raffia embroidery" as Kors described.
Take a look at the collection via my lens.. and well, I was also lucky to have been dressed by MK too! What a dreeeeeam!!
All the photographers in position to get the shot. Amazing!
Waiting for the show to start with my MK tablet case (that I'm using as a wallet), invitation and Sony Xperia Z tablet to help me stay organized and entertained during any free time and in between shows!
Love how glamourous the swim suit looks were. I know when I head to the beach/pool, I like to style up my suit, so this look was perfect for inspiration!
Probably my favorite look from the whole collection. I love how unexpected the navy blue with brown were used for Spring. Never would have thought so it was refreshing to see!
Now onto my MK look:
I opted for the yellow tuxedo pants because I wanted something bold and different! The chunky knit sweater gave the pants an eclectic twist and totally unexpected!
Carrying my new favorite toy, Sony Xperia X tablet and oversized watch!
[do action="rstyle-post-links"]Sweater: Michael Kors
Pants: Michael Kors
Heels: Joie
Clutch: Michael Kors
Sunglasses: Ray Ban
Bracelets: C Wonder + C Wonder
Tablet: Sony Xperia Tablet Z[/do]