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Mar 9, 2008, 2:31 PM
Post #301 of 58140 (61421 views)
Re: [Orange1] Speculators DOOMED
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I'm not really dealing with theory, I'm dealing with physics.
The max "jolt" you're going to get is 174 pounds of force.
The theory part is:
"he lost the money mid air"
"he died upon impact"
"money flowed down a tributary"
"he would have decelerated quickly"
"he would have done a no pull"
"I think the timeline is off"
"I think the plane is further east"
"I think Cooper knew where he was"
"Cooper had this all planned out"
"Cooper buried the money"
"Cooper had an accomplice"
Those are theories. There's nothing wrong with a theory, but it would be nice if people with theories would actually support the theory with more than "I once held a guy's hand while jumping from a Perris DC-9 and we lost our grip and flew apart"
I realize what I'm about to do isn't totally accurate, but it's just to illustrate a point. Suppose you have a skydiver who's 6 feet tall & 15 inches wide. I realize the width isn't perfect and the total square footage is less. Rounding down, that's 7 square feet at 170 knots that would produce a max force of about 870 pounds. I again do not think it's really possible to get the "max" even with two jumpers... but supposing it's true, comparing 870 pounds of force secured only through holding hands is not the same as 174 pounds of force secured through suspension line.
It's two totally different things.
Then, to support the theory of a no pull or Cooper losing the cash mid-air, you must conquer several hurdles including the timeline, flight path, float time of money, condition of money, and the catch 22.
There's nothing wrong with the theory, it's just the theory has little to no support and has huge obstacles, none of which have been adequately addressed. That's all I'm trying to say here.
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Mar 9, 2008, 3:36 PM
Post #302 of 58140 (61405 views)
Re: [Orange1] Speculators DOOMED
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I think what Safecrack is saying Orange1 is that if the bag doesn't float for very long, how did it travel so far in the water. And then wash up somewhere.
I also don't see it where info by jumpers is being ignored. What I do see is where the difficulty of this jump is being overstated.
Here is a simple question. If we recreated Cooper's jump using 100 jumpers, what percent of them would die? Are we talking 80%, 90%? Isn't the real answer probably closer to 0%.
Mar 9, 2008, 5:25 PM
Post #303 of 58140 (61388 views)
Re: [Albert18] Speculators DOOMED
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Here is a simple question. If we recreated Cooper's jump using 100 jumpers, what percent of them would die? Are we talking 80%, 90%? Isn't the real answer probably closer to 0%.
If you are talking about skydivers out of the Perris jet during the day the number approaches 0%.
However, if you're talking about the conditions under which Cooper jumped; rounds at night and in bad weather in unfamiliar and rough terrain, the number will be considerable. Under those conditions, you wouldn't need to die directly from the jump. A simple sprain could be enough to ensure you didn't walk out of the situation alive.
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Mar 9, 2008, 9:51 PM
Post #304 of 58140 (61358 views)
Re: [Albert18] Speculators DOOMED
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I think what Safecrack is saying Orange1 is that if the bag doesn't float for very long, how did it travel so far in the water. And then wash up somewhere.
I also don't see it where info by jumpers is being ignored. What I do see is where the difficulty of this jump is being overstated.
While I understand what you're trying to convey, I feel it necessary to clear this up somewhat. I can't speak to the float time of the money bag, and that's precisely why I have a huge cache sitting here waiting to be tested. I need to know more about the bag and I need to wait for summer before I test the float time of the money bag. I can say that a single stack of cash sinks in less than 11 minutes. However, you're right that I do think it's highly improbable that a canvas bag of money could float for any length of time in LaCamas lake, let alone making the journey from the lake to the Columbia and then 20 miles down river to where it was found.
Second, there's been only minimal discussion of the actual difficulty of the jump itself. Actually, the DZ community has been somewhat split. Certain posters think the conditions made it highly unlikely that he survived, and others voiced their opinion that it wasn't all that difficult. Personally, I can't speak to the difficulty at all. How could I? I do know that Earl Cossey said if Cooper pulled the ripcord, he thought Cooper survived. I also know that I do not base my opinion on the conditions of the jump.
There's a big reason why I don't. It's because of all the evidence that suggests otherwise. Like I said, I can't speak to the difficulty of the jump, but I can tell you unequivocally that the plane was no where near a tributary if we're to believe the three eye witnesses and the understanding of the timeline from 1971. There's significant reason to believe the jump occured precisely where they originally thought, and there's basically no evidence suggesting otherwise. The location of the plane when the jump took place is paramount to proving the viability of
theory. I can tell you that going off of the tests conducted in Jan 72 and going off of radar information from the USAF and off of eyewitnesses (pilots), Northwest Airlines concluded that the jump occured between 8:10-8:12. I've heard 8:13 before, but never, ever has it been stated as later than this. Absence of any evidence to overthrow the original investigation, how can anyone disagree with this? Further, I illustrated on the previous thread that even if you extend the timeline out arbitrarily, there's still significant doubt that the plane was even within 2 miles of the tributary zone, let alone right on top of it.
Those two pieces of information right there are where my points of contention are. If you would like to discuss the difficulty of the jump, you're obviously welcome to do so, but we'd be better served to deal with the information at hand. The only "evidence" that remotely suggests a no pull or a lost ransom was the money found in 1980. If you argue this route, you're still going to have significant issues.
Guru312 did a wonderful thing in speaking with a bag supplier. However, I'd put some money on him forgetting to ask THE imperitive question: Given the dimensions of 10,000 bills and the year (1971), what is the likely brand and style of bag that would fit the description? It was described as having "handles" with no zipper. If I'm wrong Guru, then I'd be happier than could be... I'd love nothing more than to see a list of likely bags that could have been used.
Like I said, I have the cash sitting here ready to be tested this summer, and when I do the test, I'd like it to be as accurate as we can make it. I would most certainly video tape the experiment (the other test I did I only took photos).
But make no mistakes about what I'm saying. For me to test floating money is like testing to see the odds of winning the lottery. While it's possible the money had the opportunity to reach a tributary, we're really talking about a minute possibility that's hardly worth discussion. In addition, if a money bag cannot float for more than a few days, then the argument will be completely nullified.
In other words, I can't speak to the difficulties that Cooper faced. I think we can all agree, saying that he jumped in less than ideal conditions would be dishonest... he jumped in horrible conditions. Whether or not he made it out is certainly a debate we will likely have for a long, long time, but if you do not think that someone moved the money, then you simply were not paying attention. My argument has nothing to do with conditions of the jump or probabilities of survival... it has to do with the infinitesimal likelihood that the money naturally traveled to where it was found.
One final thing. If we're to spend time perusing this thread and this topic, then we owe it to ourselves and to each other to remain intellectually honest.
I once made the mistake of saying there aren't any creeks that flow east in Clark County. That was a stupid thing for me to say, especially without taking the time to look at a map. Similar things have been said on this thread and those comments go unchallenged and even applauded at times. This does everyone a disservice.
Along those lines, there was some question as to the veracity of the geologist's conclusion. First, you must understand that geology is a
. If an object is found above a known layer, and the layer is undisturbed (no earthquakes or such), then the object was placed on the ground AFTER the layer was formed. Please see the two photos. In the first one, you will see Mr. Palmer in a pit that was dug on the beach and he is showing you the distance between the surface and the 1974 layer of river silt dredged from the Columbia. The money was found at the surface of the sand when young Brian raked across the sand to smooth it out. I have drawn in a red line where the 74 layer is, and then in the second picture, you can look for yourselves to see the same layer. It's approximately 18 inches below the surface, and keep in mind, the layer is 1974 not 1971. The 71 era sand would be even further down.
This is truly where the discussion ought to be directed. However, it would be frivolous to discuss this without Ckret here. Therefore, let's hope he returns.
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Mar 10, 2008, 10:29 AM
Post #305 of 58140 (61308 views)
Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Speculators DOOMED
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Welcome back! I hear you loud and clear. You Sluggo and Guru raise some really interesting and thought provoking points on the found money, flight path, hydrology and topology etc.
What then is your most likely explanation of how the money got to where it was found? Start with Cooper's exit and end with the kid finding the cash. Sluggo and Guru, you too.
Since long distance river transport of that money sounds nearly impossible (given its condition), then I think we need to adjust the flight track so that the money lands at a place where natural means can transport it to the find site. I know my theory will be ridiculed, and that's OK. I am keeping an open mind.
What can we do to get Ckret back? Is he still the agent in charge on the case?
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Mar 10, 2008, 10:43 AM
Post #306 of 58140 (61302 views)
Re: [Albert18] Speculators DOOMED
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I also don't see it where info by jumpers is being ignored. What I do see is where the difficulty of this jump is being overstated.
You don't, huh? How about this:
There's nothing wrong with a theory, but it would be nice if people with theories would actually support the theory with more than "I once held a guy's hand while jumping from a Perris DC-9 and we lost our grip and flew apart"
In other words real life experiences by real live experienced jumpers out of real live jets are being dismissed in favour of a bunch of numbers on a piece of paper. Somehow that is more "support" to a theory than guys that have actually done the thing?
As for the difficulty of the jump, real live experienced jumpers have posted time and time again to that but oops... it doesn't suit your theory. Tell me Albert18, have you ever jumped a jet? At night? With a load? In extreme weather? Over rough terrain? When you do, then let us know if the difficulty is being overstated. The simple fact of you even putting that sentence is is proof exactly that people are ignoring what the jumpers have to say.
Mar 10, 2008, 11:36 AM
Post #307 of 58140 (61290 views)
Re: [Orange1] Speculators DOOMED
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But Orange1, I don't have a theory.
I'm just trying to make sense of the information we have. If part of the money is found then that would suggest to me Cooper died that night. But then the FBI says the money wasn't exposed to the elements for a very long time period and was deposited to it's found location years after the hijacking. I don't know what to make of that information.
Some of the FBI thinking does give me pause though.
For example, on several occasions Ckret said they thought Cooper planned to jump immediately after the plane took off from Seattle.
But Cooper didn't start putting the gear on until after he sent Tina to the front of the airplane. He sent her to the front after the airplane had taken off. If he was planning to exit the airplane around Seattle wouldn't he have been ready to go before the airplane took off?
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Mar 10, 2008, 11:52 AM
Post #308 of 58140 (61286 views)
Re: [Albert18] theory vs reality
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Albert, yes but you seem to be defending other people's theories (unless i misread your post). It is still possible that the money was separated in air but did not land in the water immediately. It is not automatic that if he lost the money it was in the water immediately, that is why all that stuff about float time doesn't necessarily matter. Theories are good but they need to be backed up by empirical evidence. So numbers on a piece of paper are great, but if a bunch of people who have been there empirically say otherwise, well you gotta take that into account. i work all day with the difference between theory and reality and numbers may be interesting but by themselves they don't prove a damn thing.
btw i don't know much about jet jumps but i believe the jump would have been survivable if the jumper was experienced enough, and from what i can see the only real experience for a jump like that would have been paratrooper training. the only paratrooper that i am aware of that has ever been put forward as a suspect is christiansen. sure it's possible an experienced skydiver of the era may have got lucky and made it out. otherwise i pretty much can't see much other option than that there are bones somewhere with bits of harness attached. sorry though to SCPLF, i have no numbers on bits of paper to back that up, just common sense and the accumulated wisdom of others who have "been there done that".
other than christiansen i personally don't see anyone who has been mentioned as a suspect as having the ability to survive the jump plus some proof of actually having some real money afterwards (i.e. not a just couple of grand that could have been made in some other petty scam and explained away as garage sale proceeds) but the fbi dismissed christiansen on the physical description. so i don't have a theory either, anymore.
Mar 10, 2008, 12:40 PM
Post #309 of 58140 (61275 views)
Re: [Orange1] theory vs reality
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First, it's great to be able to chat about this stuff again, although I will need to scale back some just for real life purposes.
Several regulars have left the discussion, and by regulars, I mean DZ regulars.
Orange1 said:
In other words real life experiences by real live experienced jumpers out of real live jets are being dismissed in favour of a bunch of numbers on a piece of paper.
I think you raise a valid concern. What has happened in the past though is that there are different people talking different languages. Every single person on this thread has contributed in some way or another. Your experience or those of others who have exited a jet at a high speed (Perris) have some keen insight.
The important thing is to make sure all insights and arguments are classified in a proper way. In other words, a personal experience of exit turbulence is a great thing to discuss, but what is the end argument? It's fallacious to think Cooper's loot couldn't stay attached to him because two skydivers could not hold hands while exiting. The reason it's fallacious is that the two don't exactly equal, and that's why I calculated the wind force of the two different surface areas at the same 170 knots just to show the point.
That doesn't mean the experience isn't valid, it just means the two may not be fully the same. This is what I meant by intellectual honesty.
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But Orange1, I don't have a theory.
Technically Albert is correct. He has not laid out a specific theory on these pages, but the first Albert post was chalk full of what he thought. Those thoughts are somewhat transparent to someone who has studied this case as much as most of us have. There's definitely an underlying theory; it's just unspoken. That first post you made told me what theory you suscribe to. Your comments, ideas, and insight are all valuable to moving closer to objective truth from the realm of endless speculation.
You said a few other things:
For example, on several occasions Ckret said they thought Cooper planned to jump immediately after the plane took off from Seattle.
But Cooper didn't start putting the gear on until after he sent Tina to the front of the airplane. He sent her to the front after the airplane had taken off. If he was planning to exit the airplane around Seattle wouldn't he have been ready to go before the airplane took off?
The theory that Cooper wanted to originally jump in the Seattle area is pure speculation based on some points of interest, most notably the fact that Cooper wanted the stairs down on take-off.
I'm not really sure that Cooper waited until Tina was in the cockpit before he started putting on the equipment. In fact, he had harnessed up and was finishing off his securing the money bag to his person when she left. You raise a legitimate concern that he may have purposely delayed everything while they were taking off.
The rest of it, I'd like to defer to Ckret.
377 wrote:
Since long distance river transport of that money sounds nearly impossible (given its condition), then I think we need to adjust the flight track so that the money lands at a place where natural means can transport it to the find site. I know my theory will be ridiculed, and that's OK. I am keeping an open mind.
What can we do to get Ckret back? Is he still the agent in charge on the case?
First of all, I do think the lengthy water route is improbable, but I can't really speak to it being impossible; it just appears that way as of now.
I think suggesting that the plane was way off course is a valid thought. I would only add that the map created in Jan 72 was based on USAF data as per Ckret's post. It shows within 1 mile where the plane was at a given time. For the plane idea to hold up, both the timeline and the location would have to be incorrect. There's very little, and actually nothing, that suggests either of these were inacurate. The idea is fine, there's just nothing as of now that supports it.
I will do what I can to get Ckret back. I haven't had contact with him very much since our thread was shut down. I did inform him of my renewed access to the thread, but I don't know if his timeout was the same duration as mine. Still, he's a busy guy with many things to work on, and the Cooper stuff is more of an ancillary hobby stemming from his work. Let's give him some time, and my guess is that he'll be back.
It shouldn't be understated, we can't really make progress here without Ckret.
Regarding the money float: as it is now, we have some reason to believe the approximate path of the flight and we know where the tributaries are. When I put all that stuff together in the previous thread, I operated under a major assumption: that every waterway is viable.
I cannot say if LaCamas lake is even viable. I will have to visit this area by foot before making such a judgement and I have requested some help from Sluggo privately (since he has maps like crazy). In other words, it may not even be possible for a 12x17x9 bag to leave the lake. If that turns out to be the case, then float times will be of little value because we'd be relegated to the Washougal river.
The Washougal river has about 0% chance of fitting a waterway theory simply because it's so far from the flight path (11+ miles). See post 1443 on this in the previous thread.
Therefore, there's two key points left to investigate. The float time of money (which may be rendered meaningless) and the viability of LaCamas Lake.
Should either of those two fail, we'd be left with your idea (plane was way off course and the timeline was way off) or some other.
Right now, I can't really say what my "theory" is, because it would be incomplete. I do not know, and I need to figure out the speed of the river to back into a theory. Using float time and river speed, I might be able to back into a theory as to how it got where it was found.
Currently, we have too many unanswered questions.
Mar 10, 2008, 9:13 PM
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Re: [SafecrackingPLF] theory vs reality
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It's fallacious to think Cooper's loot couldn't stay attached to him because two skydivers could not hold hands while exiting. The reason it's fallacious is that the two don't exactly equal...
I go away for a weekend skiing with my daughter and come back to find people still "arguing" about DB...and mentioning my "research" but misunderstanding my conjecture in the process.
Regarding the above quote: I think that as a non-jumper you are misunderstanding what we jumpers are saying regarding DB's exit. The turbulence forces involved during a high-speed, aerodynamically dirty aircraft exit would be
difficult to compute. The forces act in three dimensions and could be described as what you'd expect if you jumped into the wall of a tornado. One can not pick a Calculus I formula, punch in airspeed, and expect to determine pounds of pressure for a situation such as the one before us. Doing so is way too simplistic not representative of the situation. IMHO.
My hypothesis is that he used a 14 ft length of suspension line to tie the bank bag into a tight bundle. My money bag manufacturer source said a bag that size would have handles to make carrying the bag easy. He also said it would proably be 10 or 12 oz canvas and most likely treated with a water repellent. Remember, he found invoices in his files that Seattle First National Bank had purchased from him but there were no invoices still in existence since 1971. He said Seattle First purchased bags of that size--which is very common--with handles and with zippers and some with just handles but most had zippers. He discussed and agreed in speculation that DB's bag would most likely be water-repellent, have two handles and probably have a zipper. He found it unlikely that a bank in the NorthWest wouldn't have a zipper and water repellent to keep the money dry in that rainy invironment for interbank transfer or movement of money outside a bank. Intrabank transfer is usually done with a none zippered bag. Personally, I find it very odd that the bag wouldn't have a zipper.
Think about it folks: a dark, windy and rainy night...and they send $200,000 in 20s in an open bag to a hijacker with a bomb in his briefcase?! Can't you just hear the conversation among all the authorities, "How about if we really piss off this jerk with the bomb and send his ransom in one of them no-zipper and no-repellent bags so he'll end up with wet soggy money? Call that bank manager and ask him to send a bag without zippers instead of what they'd normally use."
I find it inconceivable that the money was not protected with a zipper...for water and theft protection. It's entirely too easy to drop money out of an open bag. Can you just imagine an average day among money couriers: "Gee, I'm sorry boss, we hit a bump and five of them danged open, nonzip bags dumped out on the truck floor. We probably missed a couple of packets when we was a pickin' them up; that's why a few packs was missin'. Don't be too upset. The bags fall over and the money pours out every time we make a delivery on that dang mountain road! Oh, and we're sorry about all those wet hundreds from yesterday. That was one hell of a downpour."
Any bank logistics manager in the Northwest who distributed money outside of the bank in un-zippered bags would be looking for a job. IMHO.
Continuing...When DB gets the bag and parachutes he uses one 14 ft piece of line and ties the bag into a tight bundle. As I figure it, considering the volumes of money and bag volume, he has some folding and tieing of the corners and sides. Not a terribly difficult thing to do. Most Americans know how to wrap Chrismas gifts and that's just what he's wrapping up: A Christmas gift. [He's acquiring his gift two days before Black Friday.]
14 feet of line gives him enough for a few turns around the bag. One length of cord is enough for him to tie a reasonably secure and tight package.
It doesn't have to be water proof!
What it has to be is securely tied.
It does not have to float but if he folds the top and cinches the cord around the fold, the bag will float, and keep out water for quite some time. The money bag man thought a bag securely wrapped could last quite a few days. But...it doesn't need to be water tight. It doesn't need to float forever. It needs to stay tied and bang along the river, moved by the current. Heavy rains and flooding could easily move the bag many miles over many years; 14 feet of 550 lb breaking strength material will keep it closed for many years.
Then, sometime later, the canvas finally splits open and the packs pour out. One packet finds it way to the river bank for the boy to find...and a few bills make it to eBay.
Did I say the money bag doesn't have to float for the entire time?
Tying the money bag securely as a package is fairly easy. Tying the bag securely enough to prevent it being ripped from his body is very difficult. The money bag doesn't have to float for years. The money in the bag, although saturated, is protected from physical degradation by the strength of the tied bag. When the bag finally disintegrates, many of the rubber-bound packets tumble out and one finally ends up on the banks of the Columbia.
Years later, total strangers waste countless hours discussing the situation.
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Mar 10, 2008, 9:54 PM
Post #311 of 58140 (61216 views)
Re: [Guru312] theory vs reality
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Years later, total strangers waste countless hours discussing the situation.
Mar 11, 2008, 12:16 AM
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Years later, total strangers waste countless hours discussing the situation.
"waste"? I know you really meant to say "spend" Guru.
Mar 11, 2008, 12:30 AM
Post #313 of 58140 (61202 views)
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Wonder if the FBI is interested in an old knife that has some cord stuck in it - looks like parachute cord and it is real dirty? Where-ever he kept that knife it was there for a long time collecting dirt. There were some things I am glad I did not let the FBI have.
There is someone in law enforcement who knows a lot about analyzing parachute cord fibers. CHECK THIS OUT:
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STOCKTON, Calif. (AP) - A state prisoner suspected of being the "I-5 Strangler" could face the death penalty if he's convicted of six murders committed more than two decades ago along Interstate 5 in California's Central Valley.
Roger Reese Kibbe, 68, was arraigned in San Joaquin County Friday on charges he murdered five women in 1986 and a sixth woman in 1977.
He is currently serving a life term at Pleasant Valley State Prison in Coalinga for strangling a 17-year-old West Sacramento prostitute and leaving her naked body in the mountains south of Lake Tahoe in 1987.
Investigators have long said they suspected Kibbe in the other slayings.
El Dorado County prosecutors presented some of that evidence at his 1991 trial for Darcie Frackenpohl's murder. The runaway from Seattle was killed after she disappeared from a West Sacramento street frequented by prostitutes.
At the time, the state Department of Justice said fibers from nylon rope used by skydivers was among the microscopic evidence linking Kibbe to three of the other slayings. Witnesses alleged Kibbe, who was a skydiver, had a murder kit including handcuffs and scissors.
But prosecutors previously said the multiple jurisdictions where the crimes occurred and complications in state law made it difficult to press other charges. California law has since been changed to let one county prosecute crimes from several jurisdictions.
Only one of the victims' bodies was dumped in San Joaquin County, but investigators from Sacramento, Napa, Contra Costa and Amador counties all testified before the San Joaquin grand jury that indicted Kibbe Feb. 25.
He faces six counts of murder with special circumstances including rape, kidnapping and multiple murders that make him eligible for the death penalty.
Kibbe, a furniture maker whose brother was a police detective, has been portrayed on television crime shows and was the subject of a 1999 book by Bruce Henderson entitled "Trace Evidence: The Search for the I-5 Strangler."
Prosecutors released few details on the victims and would not comment.
According to the indictment and media accounts, Kibbe is charged with the murder of Lou Ellen Burleigh of Walnut Creek in 1977 and five other slayings in 1986:
- Stephanie Brown, 19, of Sacramento, was sexually assaulted,
strangled, and her body dumped in a ditch. A crumpled map was found
near her car parked along I-5.
- Charmaine Sabrah, 26, a mother of three from Sacramento, disappeared after her car broke down along I-5 and she drove off with a strange man who offered to help. Her strangled body was found three months later.
- Heedrick, 21, of Modesto, was last seen getting into a car. Her body was found along I-5 five months later.
- The other two victims are Katherine Kelly Quinones, 25 and Barbara Ann Scott, 29.
Kibbe, who has receding short white hair, is being held without bail for a court appearance Monday. He spoke briefly and barely audibly during Friday's arraignment, saying only that he wants an attorney appointed to represent him.
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Mar 11, 2008, 7:46 AM
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Great post. I also saw the I-5 strangler thread. It's most definitely related just because skyjack71 spoke of thread in the knife. Personally, I think it's very low (like less than a percent) probability that Duane would have a knife with parachute line in it, even if he was Cooper, but it's certainly worth looking into.
My apologies if I took your hypothesis out of context.
Let's have the discussion, shall we?
He found it unlikely that a bank in the NorthWest wouldn't have a zipper and water repellent to keep the money dry in that rainy invironment for interbank transfer or movement of money outside a bank.
There's a big difference between accepting facts from the FBI file, and challenging every one of them. Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper". If anyone comes along and says otherwise, there should be significant reason other than what they think SeaFirst did.
14 feet of line gives him enough for a few turns around the bag. One length of cord is enough for him to tie a reasonably secure and tight package. It doesn't have to be water proof! What it has to be is securely tied.
If you have 14 feet of line, and all you do is wrap it around the bag, you have enough for three wraps and a foot of line to knot it. This is based on using the narrow dimensions, although we can debate if he'd secure it on all six sides (more likely).
17+9+17+9=52 inches is the narrow side.
17+12+17+12=58 inches is the wide side.
It's likely he'd tie line around both sides. He would then have slightly less than 5 feet to do something else (tie it around his waist, or wrap it one more time). He cut two lengths of line, not one, so assuming he used one to secure the bag only is certainly a valid thought.
I will come back to your "waterproof" idea in a moment.
It does not have to float but if he folds the top and cinches the cord around the fold, the bag will float, and keep out water for quite some time. The money bag man thought a bag securely wrapped could last quite a few days. But...it doesn't need to be water tight. It doesn't need to float forever. It needs to stay tied and bang along the river, moved by the current.
The bag
float. The bag will still float even if the top isn't cinched. The question is, how long will it float?
A bag with no zipper (this does not preclude drawstrings however) will not keep water out no matter how you cinch the top. You didn't mention this in the post, but you're assuming that the top of the bag would not be in the water and the material not able to saturate with water. The fold staying out of the water isn't possible because the large surface of the bag (17 inches) would be the side the bag floats on. If the bag had 17 inches vertically, it would be unstable and wobbly (top heavy) and it would tip to the lower center of gravity. With one of the 17 inch sides being the one the bag is floating on, the seal at the top would be pivotal to determining the rate of air escape. No matter how you shake it, however, the seal itself would not be airtight, and thus, very sinkable. Having excess to fold up implies that the location of the handles aren't attached to the very top edge, otherwise the handles would have been folded under to get the seal you describe.
That's certainly a possibility, but we need to know more about the handles or types of handles this bag may have had.
I'm fairly sure though that the bag would float with the fold horizontally. This is because the width is only 9 inches, which having the fold vertically when floating would require a 12 inch height. The Bag would tip to one of the 12x17 sides which would force the fold horizontal. While you can say this fold could stay above the waterline, there would be a point where enough water would soak through and weigh the bag down to force the fold underwater. At that point, the bag would be in serious trouble.
Then, sometime later, the canvas finally splits open and the packs pour out. One packet finds it way to the river bank for the boy to find...and a few bills make it to eBay.
If we assume your hypothesis, the "some time later" is actually about 7 years later. "One" packet is not consistent with the facts. There were three packs that were found.
One single pack can only float for 10 minutes and 25 seconds. The bag would need to be within this distance and the pack would need to be completely dry, even after seven years in the elements, including the canvas bag itself floating in water. Therefore, your hypothesis actually requires that the entire bag itself make it's way to the sand bar and get snagged on something. Not to fret though, this was Ckret's hypothesis as well.
Yes, a few bills made their way onto eBay, but none of them have actually been sold there to my knowledge (the price was too low).
Bernie, you know I was enthusiastic about you contacting the bag supplier. I'm now 100% confident that you and him never discussed makes and models of the likely bag; you knew that I was researching vintage bags for this test. The most important element of this debate is to figure out what bag was used, or the type of bag that was used.
I don't disagree with the general crux of your hypothesis, but your hypothesis violates three key pieces of information that have been established:
1. The bag had no zipper
2. The time of the jump was between 8:10-8:12
3. The location of the plane at this time was near Merwin Dam / La Center.
Even if everything you say is true, we would still be left with the money floating in LaCamas lake indefinitely. As I stated yesterday, I'm not even sure it's a viable waterway. We need to determine how water escapes from the lake to complete the hypothesis. Otherwise it's beyond speculative.
One last thing, if I understand what you're saying, are you telling me that dirty air will have more force of power than straight wind? Are you suggesting that calculating 3 dimensions of force will make the forces themselves greater?
Mar 12, 2008, 11:09 PM
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The Cooper Paradox
In reply to
I realize that my posts have been on the long side, and I never intended to stifle the discussion. My approach to this case has always been to work with the facts at hand and use the process of elimination. Many on this board have been willing to turn a blind eye to the facts as they were presented. That's okay, just be honest with yourself about it.
There's a paradox in this case. Since 377 asked what my "theory" was (even though I once told him privately), I should at least answer this better than I did, just to be fair.
The paradox is as follows:
The money washed up. We don't know how much of it washed up, but it was at least 3 stacks (280-300 bills). It could have been more, but it may not have been. But
we can reasonably assume that the money itself did get to its final resting place via the Columbia River.
However, there's only two tribuarities to the Columbia that will work with the location of the money because the rest of the tributaries all adjoin the Columbia further downstream from the find. Your choices are Washougal & LaCamas lake. The later may not even be viable. Neither one fits the facts as they have been presented (the jump occured in NW Clark County, 9 miles from the nearest LaCamas tributary).
We are left with the paradox: the money did arrive to its location via the Columbia, but the money could not have traveled either tributary on its own.
The money washed up at some point in 1979.
Yes, the paradox does leave us with questions, and for some of us, it leaves us with a desire to throw out facts. I've previously shown, however, that even when throwing out facts arbitarily, the odds that the money traveled via a tributary are extremely slight (and it may even be impossible).
If you look at almost every single "theory" that each of us has, pretty much all of them will violate one of the facts (or rules).
For example, if you think McCoy did it, you have the age problem, the alibi problem, and you fall victim to the paradox.
If you think Christiansen did it, you have the description problem and you also fall victim to the paradox (but to a much lesser degree than McCoy).
If you think Mayfield did it, you have alibi issues and the paradox really bites (worse than Christiansen).
If you think Cooper had a getaway car stashed in a remote location that he used to get away, you violate the paradox.
If you think Cooper had an accomplice, you violate reasonable deductions of facts and the paradox.
If you think Cooper lost the money, you violate the paradox.
If you think Cooper died on impact, you violate the paradox.
In eliminating all these possibilities, what are some solutions?
Well, saying that someone found the money and/or body will still leave significant questions (why does the money then wind up in the Columbia?)... again, a paradox problem.
There has been only
theory put forth on these boards that does not violate any of the rules.
My theory isn't really based on "who" did it, but rather how it happened.
The story that makes the most sense is that Cooper was not from the area. He landed, maybe hurt, and needed to avoid people (he's carrying a large bag of money and wearing a suit and he's a wanted man). Therefore, he evades people as he attempts his escape by foot. If he wanted to leave the area, ultimately, he will have to enter civilization (to drive, bus, or train out of town)... but in traveling by foot, he would have to consider being made literally because of being caught holding the "bag". This is the only reason I can think of (other than death) as to why Cooper would purposely leave behind the ransom.
I highly doubt if Cooper wanted to leave ransom behind that he'd leave it all. He would most certainly grab what he could fit and stash the rest of it.
If he's from the area, he can return quickly, but if he's from outside the area, he would not return right away.
For whatever reason (jail, lack of need, injury, etc) he did not return (or could not locate the stash). My personal opinion is that he did take about 3x the average household salary (30k) and was doing okay; after this, he was waiting for the statute of limitations to pass before risking retrieval.
At some point in 1979, something happens that causes the money to enter the Columbia. I can tell you through simple float times that it most certainly was
in the river itself. We don't have enough information (yet) to know where or how.
I cannot think of a logical reason as to why Cooper (or anyone else) would purposely throw money into the river in 1979. The only reason would be that the money was damaged. After 7+ years, regardless of the "bag" or container the money was in, it would have been moldy. The only way it would not be moldy is if it were kept indoors or in an airtight container. Neither of these are likely. The rubberbands suggest a container that shielded the money from sunlight and constant wet/dry cycles (that would cause the bills to become brittle and break).
"hot" money is an inadequate explanation; the money was not hot because 8 years had passed and no one was still sifting through 20 dollar bills trying to find a needle in a haystack.
I do think this is the *most likely* scenario. It's certainly not the only scenario that will not violate any rules, but unquestionably, a similar story would have to hold true if the facts are truly facts.
As of now, I'm guessing that the money was held in some type of plastic container, if not multiple containers, perhaps a 5 gallon sized one (that's the volume of the money). If the money was damaged, and he retrieved it in 1979 after he thought the statute of limitations was long gone, he would have had to throw the whole container into the water (or else he'd have to throw it within 10 minute's river distance of the sand bar).
Yes, it's a paradox. But it doesn't mean there aren't answers to it.
I'd love to hear everyone's else's theories; if you break a "rule" just acknowledge which ones you think are inaccurate as you submit your theory. Maybe we'll get Ckret to chime in eventually to tell us we're all full of it (or we hit it on the head).
Mar 13, 2008, 3:29 AM
Post #316 of 58140 (61041 views)
Re: [SafecrackingPLF] The Cooper Paradox
In reply to
We are left with the paradox: the money did arrive to its location via the Columbia, but the money could not have traveled either tributary on its own.
I have not come across any evidence in this or the locked thread that points to the money having arrived there
the Columbia River.
There is also no evidence whatsoever to suggest that 'Cooper' was the
person to have handled the money from the time he exited until it was found by the boy.
I see no paradox, only lots of gaps and missing facts.
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Mar 13, 2008, 6:37 AM
Post #317 of 58140 (61029 views)
Re: [SafecrackingPLF] The Cooper Paradox
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If you think Cooper died on impact, you violate the paradox.
How's that? All in all its the most solid "theory" out there. Its supported by many years of skydiver's experience with the gear that he used, the conditions he jumped in and the aircraft he jumped from.
Just because someone doesn't believe it doesn't make it untrue. Sort of like conspiracy theorist. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're not being followed.
Mar 13, 2008, 7:05 AM
Post #318 of 58140 (61025 views)
Re: [Erroll] The Cooper Paradox
In reply to
I have not come across any evidence in this or the locked thread that points to the money having arrived there via the Columbia River.
There is also no evidence whatsoever to suggest that 'Cooper' was the only person to have handled the money from the time he exited until it was found by the boy.
Awesome stuff. I think it's a bit dishonest to say there's no "evidence" that
to the money washing up via the Columbia. It was found on the shore of the Columbia River. That definitely would "point" towards how it got there.
I never said that Cooper was the only person to handle the money. What I did say is this idea can answer some of the question, but not all of it. If Cooper has an accomplice OR if someone found the money, why did the money wind up in the river? It's a stretch to say that they thought the money was "hot". If you suscribe to my proposed solution, at least you can say is that the money was in bad shape when they found it, and that the person(s) decided to chuck it instead of report it or try to use it.
Mar 13, 2008, 7:14 AM
Post #319 of 58140 (61020 views)
Re: [AggieDave] The Cooper Paradox
In reply to
Just because someone doesn't believe it doesn't make it untrue. Sort of like conspiracy theorist. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're not being followed.
Thank you much for the discussion. I was hoping my comments would prompt such a debate.
I can't speak to the difficulity of the jump or surivival. I only know that some skydivers have felt that it could have been achieved. The skydiving community has not been unanimous on this.
I can tell you that the "he lost the money" theory violates the following "rules"
Timeline of the jump. (it has to be later)
Location of the plane. (has to be east of v23)
Float time of money (has to float in a lake)
There may be a fourth rule (viability of the lake), but I won't be able to answer that until August when I can put some boots on the ground and examine how water leaves the lake.
The more rules a theory breaks, the less likely it is of being accurate. That's just managing probabilities.
I therefore cannot see how a person can "honestly" say it's the "most solid theory".
I do agree with you though. If he lost the money mid-air, it's sort of like believing in a conspiracy. Sure, no one is really conspiring, but all the moving parts that would have to hold true would be akin to the moving parts in a conspiracy theory.
Mar 13, 2008, 9:23 PM
Post #320 of 58140 (60961 views)
Re: [SafecrackingPLF] The Cooper Paradox
In reply to
In reply to:
It was found on the shore of the Columbia River. That definitely would "point" towards how it got there.
How so? The money could have been dropped from a hot air baloon for all we know.
PS. Labelling everyone who disagrees with you as being
dishonest is becoming a tad tedious.
Mar 14, 2008, 6:51 AM
Post #321 of 58140 (60958 views)
Re: [Erroll] The Cooper Paradox
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You're twisting my words Erroll.
Intellectually dishonest means someone does not account for facts when they theorize.
Your point of view is perfectly valid.
However, to tell us that money found on a waterway does not at least suggest that the waterway contributed to the find is a little disingenuous.
We now have three possibilities as to how the money wound up on the sand of the Columbia:
Via the Columbia itself
Being placed there by someone.
Being dropped from the air by someone or something.
All three of these would have had to take place at some point in 1979.
The airborne transport would likely require some type of container; it seems inconceivable to me that three packs of bills would stay together through the fall and land basically one on top of the other. Using this same argument, the bills being placed would hold the most merit. However, if the bills were contained in some way, then all three would have equal viability.
My point on the previous thread was that no matter which way you think, human intervention is required.
Who the person(s) was is up for debate.
To suggest there was no intervention is intellectually dishonest unless the person making the assumption at least admits the significant leaps of faith that they must hold onto, including the direct refutation of facts.
PS. Please don't project your own thought process onto me. Please read the words before making a snap judgement. That's all we can ask of each other.
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Mar 14, 2008, 10:06 AM
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Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Facts and theories
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In reply to:
I'm not really dealing with theory, I'm dealing with physics.
you can use all the physics you want, but you are still ending up with theories at the end of it.
If a bag of cash came separated from Cooper at or soon after exit, it could have travelled much further than a skydiver would, either in freefall or under canopy. Fact.
If a bag of cash came separated from Cooper at or soon after exit, just because it was found in water at some stage does not mean it landed in water immediately, so 'float theory' means nothing. It could well have landed somewhere else and then being dislodged & transported by human, animal, weather or water to where it was finally found. Fact, or at least you are not able to disprove it as not being a fact.
By the way, dictionary definition: "Intellectual dishonesty is the advocacy of a position known to be false." This is not what you claim to have meant by it. Fact.
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Mar 14, 2008, 10:40 AM
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Re: [Orange1] Facts and theories
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Intellectual dishonesty means you argue a position that you don't agree with; it can also mean taking a position contrary to known facts and arguing against them without disclosing the known facts that you're disputing.
It's neither here nor there. I will quit using the term.
You can't sincerely say that a float time would have no relevance. It does have relevance in eliminating possibilities. At this point, neither myself, nor anyone else is ruling out everything. I can't rule out anything based on float time of the money bag, because I don't know its float time.
What I will concede to is that money can travel on the airborne descent. How far? I don't know! I stated that on my "myths" post in the other thread... taking out the timeline arbitarily to 8:15, the bag had to travel 2 miles just to land near a tributary that would feed LaCamas. Taking the known winds and the terminal velocity of the bag, you could figure the max amount of distance. However, thinking the bag is under canopy without Cooper is a stretch, no??
This point is only relevant in dealing with the "it floated its way to where it was found" idea. In other words, no living intervention.
If you introduce living intervention, then a whole host of theories can emerge and still fit the facts. That's why I'm much more receptive to these ideas than I am to the old FBI theory that money made it's way naturally. That theory is 99% dead, and I have the other 1% waiting to be dropped.
The exit from LaCamas lake goes through a Dam. I need to find out more about this Dam to drop the hammer on the remaining 1%.
All theories involving living intervention are viable, IMO.
Thank you Orange1 for pointing it out. Now
your argument
is truly a solid argument.
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Mar 14, 2008, 11:48 AM
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Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Facts and theories
In reply to
In reply to:
You can't sincerely say that a float time would have no relevance. It does have relevance in eliminating possibilities. At this point, neither myself, nor anyone else is ruling out everything. I can't rule out anything based on float time of the money bag, because I don't know its float time.
What I will concede to is that money can travel on the airborne descent. How far? I don't know! I stated that on my "myths" post in the other thread... taking out the timeline arbitarily to 8:15, the bag had to travel 2 miles just to land near a tributary that would feed LaCamas. Taking the known winds and the terminal velocity of the bag, you could figure the max amount of distance. However, thinking the bag is under canopy without Cooper is a stretch, no??
This point is only relevant in dealing with the "it floated its way to where it was found" idea. In other words, no living intervention....
Thank you Orange1 for pointing it out. Now
your argument
is truly a solid argument.
I may not have been clear, the "either in freefall or under canopy" refers to the skydiver, not the bag. How far the bag could have travelled would inter alia depend on how full it was (linked to how much drag). 2 miles is not a stretch at all, a skydiver in freefall drift can do a mile in high winds aloft and a lighter bag especially if not full could probably do 2 easily.
Thanks for saying you can't rule out anything based on float time - i had recalled, presumably incorrectly, that in a previous post you were using that as an argument for why the money could not have been separated from Cooper in flight, apparently assuming it immediately landed in water.
I still don't accept living intervention necessarily happened. Let's say the bag floated 3 miles in the air, then somehow got stuck in a tree or something where it was well and truly lodged until 7 years later or whatever it was when massive storm knocked the tree over and the bag fell into the river. Or the branches it was stuck in started decaying and then a wind strong enough to lift it out came along. etc. all improbable perhaps, but not impossible.
fwiw i have stated all these elements before. my argument (such as it was) was always solid
To me the real "paradox" still remains the much-discussed fact that no-one reported Cooper missing. Either he died and was such a complete loner, had given his landlord notice, resigned his job etc with the aim of this caper, that no-one missed him (possible, though not many think it likely), or he survived without the cash and went home to lick his wounds and no-one was any the wiser, or he survived with the cash had a nicer life than he had before. If we accept (and i know not everyone does but it is most likely) that to survive the descent he would have had to be either an experienced skydiver who got lucky or a paratrooper, then there are only 2 suspects that I am aware of who have been put forward who would work - Mayfield (presumably lost the cash from the financial evidence given by someone a while ago), or Christiansen (who must have had a pretty good disguise).
Mar 14, 2008, 1:28 PM
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Re: [Orange1] Facts and theories
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I want you to know that I appreciate this debate! This is good Orange...
When you said the bag could drift 2 miles and that a person can drift 1 mile, did you factor that the jump in question was made from 10k? I'm sure you did, but thought I'd ask just as well. There was a person on DZ mentioned as having
expertise in calculating this type of thing.
The winds themselves were blowing away from the Columbia river. Depending on where you place the plane at the time of the jump, you're most likely still looking at a living intervention being needed to support the theory.
Let's put it this way, the landing area as originally calculated by NWA & FBI was 9 miles from a tributary, and
at least
that far from where the money was subsequently found (but in the opposite direction). The wind & flight path, however, would preclude the money from drifting west towards where it was found.
If you need the money to fall into a creek or river, then you're really talking about one that feeds LaCamas lake. This is why float times matter. The lake is 2 miles long, and it's a lake (ie, fairly still water) and this lake has a dam at the south end.
These aren't trivial issues if you stick to a natural means explanation.
I can't rule anything out on float time of the bag, but I know the float time of a stack (under 11 min). The float time of the bag would need to be long enough to allow the bag to float in the lake, softly drift 2 miles, go through the dam turbine, drift down LaCamas Creek, adjoin Washougal River, adjoin the Columbia, and then float 20 miles to where it was found. Make no mistakes, the float time matters; I just don't know what it is; I also need to know more about the opening of the dam turbine(s).
As per Mayfield, yes he lost his leased land as someone who knew him posted in the previous thread. Maybe Albert18 could tell us more about why Mayfield may have been the perpetrator.
The only question regarding Christiansen would be why in the world would he take money to the river in 1979? (or at least some level of explanation there)
I hear what you're saying regarding the paradox... it's all relative to where you think the plane was when the jump occured.
I still have some research to do on LaCamas and its viability; without LaCamas Lake, any "natural" theory would require the Washougal river or *only* the Columbia, and that would eliminate a huge percentage of Clark County (and pretty much all wiggle room in the FBI file). The dams at the southern end of LaCamas were there in 1974, I'm confident they were there also in 71 but will have to research this. 1974 is almost good enough since the money arrived to its final destination in 79. This goes without saying, but for a bag to enter a turbine, generally it needs to be sinking since the turbine intakes are usually a few feet below the surface of the water (needed water pressure). I will have to call someone out there that knows a thing or two about this particular dam though.
The point is, in the end, the "he lost the money" argument might be forced into throwing out the timeline completely (to land at/on the Columbia) OR into accepting some level of intervention. It's too early to conclude those needed variants yet. I can admit that much.
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Citizens are urged to follow these steps when conducting a controlled burn in Pueblo County
* Obtain a permit from your local fire department
* Report your burn to 583-BURN (2876) before you start the fire
* Keep a water source nearby along with a phone in case you lose control of the flames
* Always burn in a cleared area
* Never leave your fire unattended
* Only burn yard debris, no man made materials or other household products
* Don't burn after dark without special permission
Seven agencies were needed to attack a grass fire after a controlled burn got wildly out of hand, scorching around 25 acres before crews could contain it.
Now, the Pueblo County Sheriff's Office wants charges filed against the man accused of starting the fire.
According to the Sheriff's Office, 82-year-old Tony Martellaro says he started a controlled burn in the morning, then called the Pueblo County Burn Line and found he was not permitted to burn that day due to a red flag warning.
The Sheriff's Office says that Martellaro didn't extinguish the fire after learning he couldn't conduct a controlled burn, but instead kept an eye on the fire until he had to go inside his home. While inside, the flames spread to a nearby river bottom. Martellaro tried to put it out at that point, but couldn't.
Neighbors saw the flames and called 911.
Emergency Services Bureau Captain Leroy Mora said the event could have been much, much worse.
"This gentleman is very lucky his neighbors didn't lose their homes," said Mora. Several houses were threatened by the fire, but ultimately were left largely undamaged.
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21 Years Ago: Kiss Gets Their 'Revenge'
'Revenge,' the most consistent, hard-hitting and critically acclaimed album ever released by the non-makeup version of Kiss, celebrates its 21st anniversary today (May 14).
The Bob Ezrin-produced album pulled Kiss out of the second creative slump of their career. Just as they had been influenced too much by outside trends such as pop and disco in the late '70s, albums such as 1987's keyboard-heavy 'Crazy Nights' found the group following current pop-metal trends far too closely.
1989's 'Hot in the Shade' showed improvement, but the band realized a more drastic step was needed to improve their place in the rock hierarchy.
In addition to hiring legendary producer Ezrin (who had worked with them twice before, hitting a homer with 1976's 'Destroyer' and whiffing with 1981's 'Music from the Elder'), they also hired marketing consultants to find out what fans wanted from the group.
One clear answer: more Demon. For the first time in a decade, a Gene Simmons-sung track, the sinister and grooving 'Unholy,' was chosen as a Kiss album's first single. The band also abandoned any remaining traces of their glammed-up '80s look, shifting instead to more traditional black leather jackets.
Most importantly, they delivered their most cohesive and heavy album since 1982's 'Creatures of the Night.' Tightly-focused, riff-heavy and borderline metallic songs such as 'Take it Off,' 'Paralyzed' and the 'Star-Spangled Banner'-referencing 'Spit' proved Kiss was better off being themselves than trying to fit in with the times.
The album also marked the temporary return of the band's second guitarist, Vinnie Vincent, but not as you might expect. Realizing his songwriting contributions on 'Creatures' and the 1983 album 'Lick it Up' were among the band's recent highlights, Simmons and Paul Stanley collaborated with him (separately) on three of the album's best tracks – 'Unholy,' 'Heart of Chrome' and third single 'I Just Wanna.' Sadly, Vincent and Kiss soon wound up angry at each other again, and they haven't collaborated since.
The album is most notable for marking one of the most difficult personnel transitions in Kiss's history. Drummer Eric Carr, who had been with the group for a decade, passed away shorty before the recording of 'Revenge' after a battle with cancer. Soldiering on with new drummer Eric Singer, Kiss dedicated the album to his memory and in a most fitting tribute, ended it with 'Carr Jam 1981,' his only known studio-recorded drum solo.
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Positioned at the junction of Foster Lane and Gresham Street, north east of St. Paul's Cathedral, the magnificent Hall, opened in 1835, is one of London's hidden treasures.
The Hall is the third on this site, the Goldsmiths' Company being located here since 1339. Little is known of the first Hall but the second was erected in 1634-6 and restored after the Great Fire of 1666. It lasted for almost two centuries, but was eventually demolished in the late 1820s. The present Hall, by Philip Hardwick, remains much as he designed it, although there have been changes to the decorative schemes and the use of rooms. The Hall narrowly escaped complete destruction when in 1941 a bomb exploded inside the south-west corner. Faithfully restored on the exterior after the War and internally modified, it retains much of the charm of an urban palazzo. A major refurbishment which was completed in 1990 has further adapted this great building for the 21st century.
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Maine's high school graduation rate is on the rise, according to new national numbers released this morning in Washington. The survey - based on 2010 data from the National Center for Education Statistics - shows Maine's on-time graduation rate jumping three points, to 83 percent. Other recent state and fedeal data has shown similar upward progress. Education officials in Maine say the improvement, while good news, doesn't diminish the need for reforms to ensure that the diplomas kids earn actually prepare them for college and work. Jay Field reports.
The National Center for Education Statistics has been tracking graduation rates in the U.S. for more than 40 years. Seventy-eight percent of students in this latest report received diplomas within four years. That's the best high school completion rate in the nation since 1974.
"Kids are more likely to stay in high school and get a diploma when the economy is bad," says Jack Buckley, the commissioner of the National Center for Education Statistics. Buckley says when times are tough there are fewer jobs available that don't require a high school degree.
But Buckley says the economy is probably not the only reason for the improvement. Lots of states, for example, have been pushing reforms to improve teaching and learning at the high school level. And Buckley says efforts to boost student performance in the early grades may be paying off as well.
"Our fourth graders' assessment scores, and our national assessments, are generally up over the longer period," he says. "Kids may actually be getting to high school better prepared."
Buckley says the overall graduation rate across the nation has been rising steadily over the past five years. "Maine's trend follows the country," he says. "Maine's on-time graduation - what we call the AFGR - rate in 2009-10 was about 83 percent. The country as a whole was 78 percent. So Maine is definitely among the higher performing states."
Since he took office, Gov. Paul LePage has warned that the quality of education in Maine's schools must improve if the state is to be more competitive economically.
Education officials say the steady rise in the graduation rate isn't inconsistent with the governor's overall message on education.
"We have one in five of our students still not graduating," says David Connerty-Marin, communications director at the Maine Department of Education.
Connerty-Marin says graduation statistics will mean a lot more when all Maine high schools begin awarding a proficiency-based diploma. "A diploma will be a reflection of whether a student is ready for career or college after high school, rather than simply reflecting a certain amount of time spent in the right number of classes," he says.
All high schools in Maine are required to begin using a proficiency-based diploma by 2018.


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If you have ever used Twitter, the latest obsession of the web 2.0 digerati, and famously unstable, then you are familiar with the "Fail Whale", the page Twitter serves up when it is over capacity. Well the Fail Whale now has a fan club at Failwhale.com and official merchandise from the illustrator Yiying Lu on Zazzle.
Along with some unofficial merchandise from the Mule Design courtesy of the Feedstore and funny man Mike_FTW with "The Fail Whale Ate My Balls".
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Fashion Meets Music & Camp Couture: The NEW YORK FASHION WEEK Edition
Fashion Meets Music
Tuesday, 12 February 2013 at 20:00 (PST)
Event Details
New York Fashion Week kicks off the global calendar of Fashion Weeks and Fashion Meets Music and Camp Couture NYC have teamed up for a Fashion Week event not to be missed.
FMM and CCNYC, both leaders in designer platforms will showcase selected designers to an audience of fashion and music enthusiasts, media, industry professionals and more during the excitement of NYFW 2013.
The Fashion and Music industry's hottest tastemakers will be on site to preview the new stunning collections from Celebrity Designer Richard Lowe for The House of Spiegel; this along with show stopping musical performances that will rock the runway, all night long.
One of the exclusive artists performing on the night will be Amanda Brown from top NBC show; The Voice.
BET's King of the Decks, DJ Lyve will be spinning throughout the night setting the mood for each electrifying segment.
New York hot spot Tenjune in the meatpacking district will be the trendy backdrop to this unique showcase meshing Fashion, Music and Entertainment.
Runway fun, showstopping performances, gift bags, hot DJ sets and many more surprises in store..
This is an invitation only event – however, there are a LIMITED amount of general admission tickets that can be purchased online.
WHAT: NEW YORK FASHION WEEK Edition
WHEN: 12th February 2013 @ 8pm
WHERE: Tenjune, 26 Little W 12th Street New York, NY 10014
PRICES: $20 General Admission $75 VIP
See you on the runway....
When & Where
26 Little West 12th Street
New York,
Tuesday, 12 February 2013 at 20:00 (PST)
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Mapaville, Mo (KSDK) -- A worker fell 40 feet inside a water tank in unincorporated Jefferson County.
The tower is located in the 4100 block of Plass Road and is the property of Jefferson County Water District #7.
The tank he was in was empty and was being sandblasted inside to prepare for painting. The worker said his safety harness broke and he fell to the concrete floor.
The worker was conscious and breathing. A medical helicopter was flying to the scene to remove the man.
The worker is a subcontractor and did not work for the water district.
NewsChannel 5 will have more information when it becomes available.


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I like that map a lot.
No critique from me, just a request for you to go make more. And welcome to the guild.
Hi! First time poster here.
I began drawing this map as a reference for myself, for a story I'm writing, then I found this place, got inspired, and put some detail and color on it. And since it was you people who made me turn it into more than some rough lines and dots, I figured I should show it to you
It's in A4 size, made with pencil, ink and watercolors, and labels added digitally.
Being hand-drawn there is not much I can do to change it, but criticism is still welcome! I'll use it in my next map, 'cause this was fun
Thanks for looking!
I like that map a lot.
No critique from me, just a request for you to go make more. And welcome to the guild.
Royal: I'm very sorry for your loss, your mother was a terribly attractive woman.
My Cartographer's Guild maps: Finished Maps
More maps viewable at my DeviantArt page: Ramah-Palmer DeviantArt
That's very nice. I love the soft colors you used too. Like Ramah, I look forward to seeing your next one.
When its over and you look in the mirror, did you do the best that you were capable of? If so, the score does not matter. But if you find that you did your best you were capable of, you will find it to your liking. -John Wooden
* Rivengard * My Finished Maps * My Challenge Maps * My deviantArt
Looks like it was well worth the extra effort! I don't have any real criticisms except perhaps narrowing the width of the rivers slightly. Maybe working on an A3 sized map would make that easier (plus bigger is always good).
Welcome to the Guild Lingon, and thanks for sharing. That is a lovely map. I particularly like the mountains. Have some rep.
Welcome to the guild, and - with quite an entrance.
Welcome, and thank you for immediate contribution - DELIGHTFUL contribution. I do believe you have that figured out, and I too look forward to more. Greedy, aren't we? What can I say - we have good taste, and that's a tasty map .
Nice work Lingon, great first map. Welcome to the Guild!
My Battlemaps Gallery http://www.cartographersguild.com/al...p?albumid=3407
Wow, I didn't expect that to be honest! Thanks everyone, your comments make me really happy! I'll use A3 next time, as suggested. Again, many thanks!
That is a beautiful map Lingon! I especially like the way you've drawn mountains and skillfully applied watercolours. I love the colour palette you've chosen. It works really well on this map.
Just like others before me I hope to see more from you in the near future.


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Lobbyists have called for the need to make some few amendments to the current constitution to enable the country come up with an independent National Electoral Commissions (NEC) that will oversee not only the general elections but also the referendum towards a new constitution.
The call was made in Dar es Salaam yesterday by staff members of the Legal and Human Rights Centre (LHRC) at an in- house training on the constitution making process.
A legal officer in charge of Elections and Parliament Watch Merick Luvinga said there has been a public outcry over the current NEC, saying leaving the same organ to oversee the referendum may lead to people shunning away from the process as has been the trend in general elections.
"There are people who have lost faith in elections as they assume that the exercise can neither be free nor fair due to the current NEC. If we allow the very same commission to oversee the referendum, we may not end up with a constitution we want as it very likely that it may end up representing the views of only a few people as it has been before," said Luvinga.


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HOUSTON — Former President George H.W. Bush has been admitted to the intensive care unit at a Houston hospital "following a series of setbacks including a persistent fever," but he is alert and talking to medical staff, his spokesman said Wednesday.
Jim McGrath, Bush's spokesman in Houston, said in a brief e-mail that Bush was admitted to the ICU at Methodist Hospital on Sunday. He said doctors are cautiously optimistic about his treatment and that the former president "remains in guarded condition."
No other details were released about his medical condition, but McGrath said Bush is surrounded by family. He has been hospitalized since mid-November.
Earlier Wednesday, McGrath said a fever that kept Bush in the hospital over Christmas had gotten worse and that doctors had put him on a liquids-only diet.
"It's an elevated fever, so it's actually gone up in the last day or two," McGrath said earlier in the day. "It's a stubborn fever that won't go away."
But he said the bronchitis-like cough that initially brought the 88-year-old to the hospital has improved.


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News 12 at 6 o'clock / Thursday, March 28, 2013
AUGUSTA, Ga. (WRDW) -- More jobs could be on the way to Augusta Regional Airport.
It all depends on a deal that could put the airport in charge of its parking lot. The final details still have to be finalized, and city leaders have to approve it. Airport authorities say the move could save them money.
Parking in some areas of town could be a problem, but not at the airport. The parking business is going so well for the company that runs it that the airport wants to take over.
"I think the numbers that we saw today indicate that would be an additional $50,000 profit," said Chairman of the Augusta Regional Aviation Commission Doug Lyle.
"We felt like we're getting big enough to bring it in-house and make it worth while," Johnston said.
If the Augusta Regional Aviation Commission approves the plan, Augusta commissioners still have to sign off. Right now, the deal includes adding 22 part-time employees and two possible full-time jobs along with a parking director. The position could pay $70,000 to $90,000.
"Any time you have your own employees performing the service, as opposed to a contract company, you'll have a higher level of customer service," Lyle said. "I would need to see a recommendation from the Airport Authority before I make my decision."
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January 17, 2013
This place will test your sanity, due to the extremely low work flow resulting in massive boredom, crossed with unnecessarily harsh floor rules that literally trap you in one place - at your cubicle - and punish you for the slightest showing of humanity. Try working the Fraud department for Capitol One in Montreal. When the work flow is slow and there simply are no cases to review (and I mean NONE, not like a few and people are putting them off. NONE), you are not even allowed a book, magazine, pen and paper - ANYTHING - to doodle, read, or otherwise pass the time when there is NO work and NOTHING YOU CAN DO OR BE GIVEN TO DO. You are literally expected to sit there, stare at your screen, and keep Refreshing your work program in the hopes new work comes in... which on average, nets you maybe ONE case in a 3 hour window. Again, I've lived this, and am not exaggerating. I never thought I'd work someplace where I actually begged for MORE WORK TO DO!! "What am I supposed to do then?? There is no work coming in!!" numerous workers plea to their managers when yelled at for surfing Google search results (the only loophole luxury on the floor), to which their zombified superiors reply "Keep refreshing in case something comes in"... or "keep calling customers" (who you've already called once for the day and can't leave more than one message for in a 24 hr window)... they don't even know what to say, because there is nothing to say. All this on your weekends, as the "hazing period" (as referred to coldly by some employees) demands your first year be all weekends, with three workdays of – more... late afternoon to night hours (11am to 10pm on average). After that, MAYBE you can negotiate "normal" hours of a work week, M-F. – less


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This tip presents an overview of how to download the source for Vim, then build a Vim executable, and install it on your system. You need to download the C source code and the runtime files (standard plugins, help files, and more). You may also need to download dependencies (packages required for building), and you will need a compiler/linker (free versions are available for almost all systems). See where to download Vim if you want to download the Vim program to run on your system, without building it yourself.
Any platform
It is easy to build Vim from the source code. In general, it takes four steps:
- Get dependencies. On Unix-like systems,
apt-get build-dep vim-gnomeor similar can do this for you. On Windows, there are no dependencies, unless you want to build Vim to use an external DLL for Lua, Perl, Python, Ruby, or Scheme (and you can install these later).
- Note:
apt-getis for Debian, Ubuntu and similar distributions. On other distributions, the corresponding program may be called
yum, yast, zypper,or otherwise, and the way to invoke it may vary widely. It is usually the same program as the one used on your distro to install, update, or uninstall any software package, and if you are lucky, there may be a manpage for it.
- Get the Vim source code from Mercurial or a GitHub clone.
- Change to the directory with the Vim source code and run "make".
- Do a "make install" or manually copy necessary files to somewhere Vim knows to use. See :help $VIMRUNTIME for details and our tip on manually locating your Vim files.
Building Vim on Ubuntu
You need the required development packages on Ubuntu to build the GUI:
sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev libgnome2-dev libgnomeui-dev \ libgtk2.0-dev libatk1.0-dev libbonoboui2-dev \ libcairo2-dev libx11-dev libxpm-dev libxt-dev
Commands to build and install GUI Vim:
$ cd vim7 $ cd src $ make distclean $ ./configure --with-features=huge --enable-gui=gnome2 $ make $ sudo make install
Building Vim .debs on Ubuntu/Debian
Commands to get started and build the first time.
$ sudo apt-get install mercurial libssl-dev $ sudo apt-get build-dep vim $ hg clone http://hg.debian.org/hg/pkg-vim/vim $ cd vim $ hg checkout unstable $ debian/rules update-orig $ dpkg-buildpackage -i -I $ cd ..
And to update Vim .debs
$ cd vim $ hg pull $ hg update $ debian/rules update-orig $ dpkg-buildpackage -i -I $ cd ..
Building Vim on Windows
- Build Vim in Windows with Cygwin
- Build Vim in Windows with Visual Studio
- Version independent installation of Vim on Windows
In Vim, the command
:version includes "Compiled by user@host" (the user and computer host names are provided by the operating system).
The configuration option
--with-compiledby can be used to set the exact "Compiled by" text (for example, to include an email address).
Using patches
- Following works but is obsolete; see above for information on using Mercurial.
- The following applies to Unix-based systems, and Windows.
Download the source from
Download the extras from
Expand each in the same directory, for example
Download the patches from
Apply the patches.
Build (compile and link).
See also
Tips, some of which need updating
- Building vim with color on HP-UX
- Compile a separate copy of Vim for Python coding
- Getting the Vim source with Mercurial
- Get latest releases for syntax highlighting, runtime, plugins etc
- Easily keep runtime files up to date
- Category of tips for building Vim
External sites with how-to information on building Vim
- Need info on how to install the shell extensions (e.g. "edit with Vim" context menu entry) on Windows. Do we have a tip for this already?
- Also for other stuff included in the standard installation, like
- On Windows systems, investigate what
install.exeis: note that it is often not needed; what does it do? how is it used? does it work?
When you build Vim on Windows,
install.exe is built from
src/dosinst.c. Its purpose is to add registry entries for the "Edit with Vim" entry on the Windows Explorer context menu (see :help gui_w32.txt). It is possible to manually change the registry to add or modify "Edit with Vim". The relevant tips are:
- 636 Adding Vim to MS-Windows File Explorer Menu
- 861 Right click in Windows Explorer to open gvim in explorer mode
- 1003 Windows file associations
- 1225 Open files in multiple tabs using the Windows Context Menu
- 1314 Add open-in-tabs context menu for Windows
- 1542 Vim On Vista (the introductory para)
The only tip with info on diff.exe is:
Make sure the library names are correct for all or most distributions. In the Linux dist I'm using it seems the libraries are named <X>-devel instead of <X>-dev. Michael Greene 15:50 Feb 27, 2011 (UTC)


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Thursday, April 28, 2011
Richard and Carol
23 comments:
- Anna Schüler said...
they look so beautiful!!!
- April 28, 2011 at 1:14 AM
- Lightning Heart said...
my goodness, they look incredible!
- April 28, 2011 at 1:21 AM
- Lisa LaMagna said...
yes they are dreamy, thanks for sharing!
- April 28, 2011 at 2:19 AM
- anni said...
Whow ! this is something I have never seen on Belgian streets !
- April 28, 2011 at 3:48 AM
- Maria (viola33) said...
You are right? they are stunning! You are licky to have her help with your book. Good luck!
- April 28, 2011 at 3:50 AM
- sacramento said...
Absolutely.They are both fantastic. And they are matching the colours in their outfits. How grand is that- ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
- April 28, 2011 at 4:04 AM
- Knitting-twitter said...
.. I couldn't agree more with you...
ciao ciao from Switzerland, Christa
- April 28, 2011 at 5:43 AM
- Beautycountry said...
They look really great!!
So fun to see colors being used like this :)
- April 28, 2011 at 7:40 AM
- Pam @ over50feeling40 said...
They are so much fun! I love this and wish I could find such a couple downtown where I live! I love her hats and all the color on both of them!!
- April 28, 2011 at 7:55 AM
- FairyFiligree said...
I just love the way they seem to decide to coordinate what they are wearing. In the first picture he's wearing pants to match the precise colour of her hat. In the second one his socks seem to echo that hat..... Do they do it on purpose or is it just coincidence. She's lovely!
- April 28, 2011 at 8:33 AM
- FOLKWAYS NOTEBOOK said...
Carol and Richard certainly do have an artful flair to their dressing style. Enjoy them. -- barbara
- April 28, 2011 at 9:39 AM
- Prêt à Porter P said...
They look lovely. I like how they dress to compliment each other, it's very charming!
- April 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM
- Jordan said...
Ohmygosh! They are so cute! <3 I think I'll always have my sense of style too ;)
- April 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM
- Jennifer said...
No fear of fashion in these two! They are fantastic in their unique personal styles. And every time I see that third photo of them I think how much Carol reminds me of Isabella Rosselini, another unique beauty.
- April 28, 2011 at 9:07 PM
- Yi said...
Coolest couple I've seen!
- April 29, 2011 at 12:25 AM
- TheHappyIntrovert said...
They are so. Darn. Beautiful.
- April 29, 2011 at 2:32 AM
When you reach a certain age just rock it!
I don't think they'll be trying out for jobs in corporate America.
We tend to think that older people must be preppy to be accepted.
But I think it's more fun to just be yourself.
And they are living "their" dream and that's all that counts.
Love it!
- April 29, 2011 at 4:19 PM
- lorrwill said...
I adore his GTH pants in the first picture.
- April 30, 2011 at 12:27 AM
They exude joie de vivre! I love her piles of bead necklaces and how they kind of correspond with the dots on his shirts. I'm not sure whether one would coordinate accidentally to this extent, but I do find with my own partner of 25 years that if you breathe the same air for long enough even your (actual) dreams start to coordinate! Adore this couple, hope to see much more of them on here in the future. Adore you too, Seth, thanks for celebrating life with us.
- April 30, 2011 at 4:10 PM
- Nici said...
I love her floral dress!
They are so cute!
Great blog, I'm now following!
Wrote a little post about your blog.
- May 1, 2011 at 6:33 AM
- poca said...
dream dream dream boats! Love his sox. All the young men, take notes!!
- May 2, 2011 at 11:28 AM
- Rockchic said...
OMG that´s so cute, I´m very fond pf your blog, following you now. So nice inspiring photos!!!
- May 2, 2011 at 4:12 PM
- bloggika said...
How fun to stumble across my old painting teacher! Great to see that Richard is still taking the piss out of life.
-Rebecca, Tyler paintng major, class of '92
- May 16, 2011 at 5:20 PM


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Comments On Apr 17, 2013:i use it for riding my motorcycle, atv, dirtbike or just taking a quick trip into town. takes great pictures and video
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