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I thougt it was 361 chakra points in the body, not 64. I know that the Hyuga clan shouts 64 points, but it's 2+4+8+16+31+64.Jacce 18:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- I think that is about right - since Naruto was still able to use chakra when Neji successfully used the 8 trigrams, 64 palms strike. If there were only 64 points, Kyuubi chakra would not be able to be used. Also, Neji knows 8 trigrams, 128 palms strike. So there is definitely more that 64 chakra points, or else such a technique is pointless. --Dubtiger 01:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- I have looked on several other places and all said it was 361 points, and that they are called "tenketsu". I will change the page.Jacce 19:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Someone please take that crap out about Sora chakra...
- Fixed. Jacce 12:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
"Normal" chakra, and other concerns
1- Most of the content under the Normal Chakra heading appears redundant (repeat of the intro), unclear, and meandering.
2- What is the policy on using numerals as opposed to writing out numbers? The article switches between using actual numbers (1,2,3,4,5) and using the written versions (one, two, three, four, five).
3- Isn't calling it normal chakra somewhat redundant? Chakra is chakra until its differentiated into a specific type of chakra (ie elemental). Its like saying: "There's water, and then there's normal water. And then there's fruit juice and kool-aid and all that jazz."
4- My understanding is that Chakra (originating from the chakra circulatory system) can only leave the body by way of one (or many) of the body's 361 tenketsu. The article doesn't quite make this clear.
5- In reference to the heading Eight Gates Chakra: This entire section seems to me to be unnecessary. Instead, this should just be noted in the initial description of chakra (perhaps as a sub-header?) with a link to the article Eight Chakra Gates which appears to do a better job describing the gates and their relation to chakra circulating throughout a ninja's body.
6- Under Cursed Seals is written: "Orochimaru gives all of his subcordinates a cursed seal to increase their power in exchange for their free will." Ignoring the typo...aren't all the Sound Ninja considered his 'subordinates'? He didn't give all of them cursed seals, did he? Sandster 14:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Sage Chakra
Sage chakra doesn't turn you into a frog, frog oil does, if you don't have any control. You can use sage chakra without the frog oil, but it is much more difficult. Please change it, things like that drive me crazy, and normally, I change them on my own, but my friend doesn't want me changing them, just writing these notes.
- The oil only helps draw out the sage chakra and only works on the mountain. Jiraiya was partly turned into a frog when he used sage chakra. Jacce 05:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Could someone get all 5 elemental chakras
Jacce do you have a answer. malkhawam
- I belive Kakashi and anyone with a Sharingan can copy ninjutsus from all elements, but if they would be abel to master the elements is another question. Nagato apperntly masterd all six elements at young age, thanks to Rinnegan, and Kakuzu could use all five known elements thanks to Earth Grudge Fear. In the Shippuden filler, Kakashi said: "nobody can learn all five lements" to Naruto, just moments after Naruto meet Fuka. I don't know if that can be considerd canon. But if I get Naruto's element chakra traing right, learing to use one element is very tricky, so learning all five without a special ability would be impossible. Jacce 16:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
- Fuka could use all 5 natures because she was using multiple bodies. So it's just another special ability. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Oct 26, 2008 @ 12:46 (UTC)
Yin and Yang
Perhaps we should cross-link Nature Transformation#Yin and Yang. From what is written there I don't see any evidence of it being a chakra nature rather than a type of chakra. But nonetheless we could put the section in one page, and use a labeled section to transclude it from one page to the other. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Oct 26, 2008 @ 12:46 (UTC)
- Yamato calls Yin and Yang a kind of chakra nature manipulation in chapter 316. --ShounenSuki 20:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
- it could be yin and yang are spiritual and physical chakra more physical for transformations and more spiritual for mental techniques
False info
This article is full of what I believe is false info. Is there any proof that the "Cursed Seal chakra" and "Celestial Gates chakra" are any different from normal chakra? In fact, except for the Kyuubi's poisonous chakra, I don't recall the Bijuu having special chakra either. I don't even recall it being said that the Kyuubi has special chakra. The only thing that's different between all these powers seems to be the power and "intent," the latter of which is simply how good or evil a character is.
The elemental chakra part should probably be replaced with a piece about Nature Transformation.
There are multiple false statements and speculations throughout the article as well. --ShounenSuki 19:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- /shrug The Eight Gates chakra section appears to be done by someone, not paying attention to what the Eight Gates does, and assumed they produced some special chakra. The demon chakra section from what I read it as, was simply a section talking about the demon's unique properties, (such as burning the skin, obvious odd color). Orochumaru's chakra...is an odd one and I assume was taken from the odd color Sasuke had (which the image displays) but otherwise, it was just a recap of what we already know about the Cursed Seals. Essentially, with the exception of the Eight Gates section, all of them are a recap of what different properties normal chakra can take without going into nature.--TheUltimate3 20:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Removed the access stuff, and most of what I think wrong or unneeded. I do feel that an explaination of how the Eight Gates effect chakra should be in the normal section but...lord knows I can't figure out how to put it in there without making it any bigger...--TheUltimate3 21:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going to make a try, hope it will get good. Jacce 07:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Removed the access stuff, and most of what I think wrong or unneeded. I do feel that an explaination of how the Eight Gates effect chakra should be in the normal section but...lord knows I can't figure out how to put it in there without making it any bigger...--TheUltimate3 21:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Chakra Exhaustion
I believe a section on Chakra Exhaustion should be added to the article or given one of it's own. It could detail what it is, various times characters have suffered from it's effects and ways to replenish or restore one-self's reservoirs. I bring it up because of two reasons: First, I can't find a section anywhere in the wiki talking about this and here is as good as any place and Second, I want the communities opinion before adding anything like this to the article.
¥ Super Novice ↔ Talk 2 Me ¥ 05:28, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
Good idea 188.8.131.52 (talk) 13:40, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. I think it should be within the main article, after Chakra Control section maybe. --Kiadony (talk) 13:55, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
ahem...now I believe yin and yang is clear. so can we add it to the article?—This unsigned comment was made by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
- They're not clear as they weren't even mentioned in the chapter. Also, sign your posts.
¥Super Novice ↔ Talk 2 Me ¥00:52, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
Chakra control via hand signs
Would someone please cite the part where it says that people with better chakra control do not need as many hand signs? I will grant that it makes sense (similiar stuff in Eragon and Harry Potter) especially for explaining the 2nd Hokage, Driedara, Kakashi and Sasuke (lightning jutsu at least for the latter) plus a few other things, but it would still help to cite it with so many other kage level guys going around still doing hand signs. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 04:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
- Heck, there are several instances this would explain, though I would prefer seeing a source for this first since it is a tad controversial. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 17:58, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
Types of Chakra
Shouldn't we add all of the different kinds of chakra under something like "Different Types of Chakra"? Also, if we are not so sure about the magnetic chakra used for the Iron Sand jutsu, shouldn't we at least add that to trivia? --GoDai (talk) 22:17, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
I've been wondering something for quite sometime now: what exactly does it mean when a person possesses strong chakra such as the Uchiha or unique chakra such as Kushina Uzumaki? Is it an issue of quality or quantity? Master Shannara (talk) August 11, 2010 (UTC)
Natural Chakra and Senjutsu Chakra
Deva 27, why do you keep undoing my contributions to the chakra page? I don't wanna just keep reverting the changes on the page, so let's figure out a compromise. MochaShakaKhan (talk) 17:52, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the trivia about a single technique is necessary. Also your edit made it seem like natural energy and senjutsu chakra are the same thing, which they aren't.--Deva 27 (talk) 18:55, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Well i didn't say natural energy I said natural chakra, but anyway then what is the difference? I was under the impression that they were both basically the chakra found in nature. Some articles I have read seem to suggest they are the same. Tsuchigumo Style: Forbidden Life Technique Release: Creation of Heaven and Earth. My basic objective was to add some info about the nature of the Fury Jutsu and how it gathers natural chakra but I didn't want to make a whole new excerpt if it's the same thing as senjutsu chakra. MochaShakaKhan (talk) 22:30, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
- Natural energy is only a component of senjutsu chakra, and I don't remember it ever being called natural chakra. Energy from nature doesn't become chakra until it is mixed with physical and spirtual energy within a ninja's body. It would probably be better to mention the trivia on the senjutsu page.--Deva 27 (talk) 22:48, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Chakra rotation
Guys.Althouth naruto has right rotation in his chakra he has been seen many times using rasengan which has a left rotation.Why is that happening? Or can someone use jutsu with a different rotation than his own?—This unsigned comment was made by Madman361 (talk • contribs) .
- Everything that has been said about chakra rotation can be found here. That is all we know about it. And sign your posts. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 18:53, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
Is a child's chakra signature inherited?
Muu said that he could feel a chakra (Gaara's) that was simular to the fourth Kazekage. Does that mean that a child's chakra is inherited from it's parents? --Kai Maciel (talk) 08:09, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
- It's quite likely, since chakra is related to genes. —This unsigned comment was made by N 21 (talk • contribs) .
Plasma Chakra
Should plasma chakra be added?--Red-kun (talk) 11:24, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
- Plasma chakra? —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 11:28, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
From the 4th Shippuden movie, it's around 76 minutes and 58 seconds, Choza was saying that Mukade had to have a weakness, but then Shibi looked up and told Choza that he had infinite chakra, saying that "the tower is transmitting plasma chakra to him".--Red-kun (talk) 11:39, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
That's probably the ryūmyaku chakra. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:03, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Should it still be added anyway? There's already star chakra and dark chakra.--Red-kun (talk) 18:11, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Yellow chakra?
Is it true that chakra is actually yellow in the Manga? Seelentau 愛議 14:17, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think that was mentioned, except in Akatsuki Rising. When I activate the hyper mode in Temari, she was surrounded by Yellow chakra. _-_-=NejiLoverr26 (Talk-Contribs.-Links) 14:26, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Naruto talks about normal chakra being yellow in chapter 91. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 14:51, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I was under this impression once Seelentau for some reason. I'm not sure why though anymore =\ --Cerez365™ 14:53, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Naruto talks about normal chakra being yellow in chapter 91. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 14:51, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
name meaning
what does the word "chakra" mean?, just asking, --Caseather (talk) 22:06, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
- It means 'wheel'. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 22:30, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
Sensors having good chakra control
In the Chakra Control section it is said that sensors are good at it. Where is it mentioned in the manga? Or is it from somewhere else? --kiadony --talk to me-- 12:31, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
Ryumyaku: Dragon veins chakra
i think a section on Ryumyaku: Dragon veins chakra should be added to the chakra page since it is actually likened to tailed beast chakra —This unsigned comment was made by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
I don't ever remember it being likened to Tailed Beast Chakra. It was just a large reservoir of chakra, similar to the vein of Gelel. Nothing special about it other than the volume of chakra. Skitts (talk) 16:48, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
chakra flames??!!
In the movie Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire whene hiruko used his Dark Release: Judgment technique to fire the chakra tha he sucked from naruto and sai,the chakra that he fired was brifly shown burning out like real flames and it wasn't like real flames it was bleu flames. What was that all about?!!!!! --184.108.40.206 (talk) 10:05, December 1, 2011 (UTC) charmanking 2198
Sensing chakra
I was just wondering sensor type ninja can sense chakra on a wide range and its not somthing all ninja can do, but i hear most of ninja who are not sensery type saying:I CAN SENSE HIS CHAKRA or :I CAN FELL HIS CHAKRA HIS CLOSENING TO US ,and all sorts of things like that. What does that has to mean?? --220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:11, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
- We don't know. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 17:16, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
I don't ever recall a non-Sensor type saying that they could feel someone's chakra closing in. The only time non-Sensors ever say anything about chakra (that I recall) is when they feel Tailed Beast Chakra, and even then, I only ever here then speak of how terrifying it is, not the amount of it. Skitts (talk) 23:01, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Neither have I. Persons are able to detect "presences" but that's probably due to training and the honing of their senses or a sense. Not on the scale or range of what sensors do.--Cerez365™ 23:20, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
chakra & genetics
I think it worth mentioning that Chakra seems to follow some type of genetic lineage, seeing as Muu can sense immense similarities between people whom related chakra's, as he did with Gaara and his father { its on muu's trivia section}
this should probably go in the chakra trivia section
Iowndisciti (talk) 20:21, March 2, 2012 (UTC)
More explanations
Two things:
- I was wondering if we could have somewhat formal definitions for what "life force" "vitality" [and possibly "stamina" as well] are. Though I'm not sure what article it'd go in or if we'd just make separate ones with the Naruto Terms category. I think it's necessary as a lot of times (for me at least) I tend to get them mixed up or conflated and since it's one of those major issues/things in the series, like chakra I think it's only fitting that it gets some sort of official mention.
- I can't remember the second one but I think I mushed it all up there↑. Anyway, thoughts? --Cerez365™(talk) 14:32, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Stamina is what is converted into chakra, Ebisu explained that early on. Life force and vitality are basically the same thing.--Deva 27 15:01, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Ah I think I mean physical energy which I'm assuming would be the same as stamina now o.O? But still, isn't it worth mentioning what they are somewhere in an article?--Cerez365™(talk) 15:12, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, life force and vitality is the same thing. Physical energy is Yang chakra, Stamina is how much chakra one has--Elveonora (talk) 16:57, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Aye. I get that. I would like the question of whether or not the info should be represented in an article.--Cerez365™(talk) 17:09, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
I think yes. Some articles have very little information in them and some expandation would be good--Elveonora (talk) 20:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
@Elveonora Why must you give false info? o3o Physical energy is NOT Yang Chakra. Yang is a nature transformation, Physical energy is a component of chakra along with Spiritual energy. It certainly appears or may have been said to be related to something to do with Physical energy, but they are not the same thing. Skitts (talk) 13:52, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
So before we go off topic... Is it ok if stuff like this is mentioned in the chakra article under a little sub-heading? That is, after it's hammered out what they are exactly.--Cerez365™(talk) 13:58, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
- I don't see why not. They been mentioned many times in the series and at least these two techniques make use of "life force"/life, and the Uzumaki are supposed to have a rather powerful one. Skitts (talk) 14:03, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
False info ? Give me a source that indicates that yang chakra and physical energy = 2 different things. We dont even know what Yang Release is, but sure chakra uses both physical and spiritual energies thus yin-yang--Elveonora (talk) 15:07, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
- And this is what Cerez was trying to prevent. -sigh- There is no source that I've seen that says Yang=Physical energy. It has been known for nearly the entire series that Chakra=Physical+Spiritual energies combined. Yamato said that Yin and Yang are nature transformations, thus they are not what you're saying they are, which are the components of chakra. Skitts (talk) 15:29, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
We know that The Elder son was born with Sage's Spiritual energy and The Younger son with Sage's Physical energy. To use Izanagi/Creation of All Things, powers of both Uchiha and Senju are needed (thus Sage's spiritual and physical energies) and both techniques are Yin-Yang release ...
- Yin-Yang
- Dark-Light (Moom/Sun)
- Mind-Body (spiritual/physical)
or not ? ... --Elveonora (talk) 16:20, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, the Uchiha are able to use Izanagi without the power of the Senju, shown by the fact that they deemed it a Kinjutsu. All Hashirama's cells do is improve/complete it. However, even that has nothing to do with Yin/Yang being Physical/Spiritual energy. There are likely connections between the two, but based on what has been said in the series, I can assure you that they've not been stated to be the same anywhere (unless, say, ShounenSuki comes in with a proper translation the says they are). But really, we're diverging from what this topic is over, so I suggest we move it to our talk pages if it's going to continue. Skitts (talk) 17:17, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I will ask ShounenSuki about this topic. But on topic, I'm for creating articles for those terms--Elveonora (talk) 18:17, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Don't use "SS" to refer to ShounenSuki. SS has a very bad connotation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:38, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
Hope ur kidding "_"--Elveonora (talk) 23:41, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
anime colors
"normal chakra" is colored as blue in the anime ... Naruto's chakra is yellow in the manga. Kyubi's chakra is red in both anime and manga. But in the anime, the restrained/untainted/cleansed/purified whatever chakra of Kyubi's is blue and Naruto's chakra is also blue ... how did they come to color the "chakra mode" as golden/yellowish/orange ? Blue + blue = golden/yellowish/orange color ??? I fail to see their logic. They should either correct their mistakes or stop f***ing things up, also viz. this convo--Elveonora (talk) 01:19, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
- Well, the anime can't make it any other color as pictures of it came out before they were able to modify it to their liking. There is no way they would bluntly ignore the manga like that so that's what they went with. Joshbl56 06:01, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
They can always change it and switch to the correct colors but they simply won't ... it clearly contradicts the manga as chakra color differs between people, there's too much blue in the anime. No wonders people still think that basic Rasengan is Wind Release since it's blue (should be yellow in Naruto's case) I know they can't possibly know the colors, but they could try to improvise ... as long as it's not contradicting the manga, it's not a mistake. Also, should not we mention how in trivia of this article about the colors ?--Elveonora (talk) 07:16, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
- It's already mentioned in the same part as the dojutsu's though I think it should be split up. It is true about the coloring but it would be too drastic of a change to go from everyone having blue to people having different colored chakra. It would confuse to many people and probably drop ratings like hell. Joshbl56 07:22, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
I know the problems you guys are facing with the articles on Shion itself. However, is not it better to specify the chakra it here? For it is not common. I will. If you think wrong, favoe, delete. And check the spelling, my english is bad. FemaleUchiha (talk) 03:04, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
Ten Tails
Should we add it in this section that the Ten tails is said to be the source of all chakra? —This unsigned comment was made by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) .
Not just chakra, but pretty much everything (if the legend is true of course)--Elveonora (talk) 10:36, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
Chakra mass and equivalents
Hey, i just noticed, the range and quantity (as in mass) of lightning release techniques and the other four releases are very different. A b rank lightning release technique, such as Lightning Release:False Darkness is smaller than a B-Rank Water Release:Water Dragon Bullet. Now, my REAL question is, can lightning release chakra be converted into the same amount of mass of a water dragon release technique, and still remain a B-Rank technique, not going above? Actually, can a fire release technique do this too? --Aeonophic (talk) 00:33, August 2, 2012 (UTC) Aeonophic
- As Ebisu explained to Naruto, different users may have to use different amount of chakra to preform the same technique. In his example, Sakura made five clones using the exact amount of chakra due to her excellent chakra control, while Sasuke had to use more chakra to get the same result. So I would guess it comes down to the users skill with chakra control. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 12:26, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
Black and White Chakra
Why is there no mention of the positive black chakra 「+の黒チャクラ」 and negative white chakra 「−の白チャクラ」mentioned in Chapter 519? --Junky (talk) 10:29, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes,, that should be added to the tailed beast chakra section. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:59, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
Lack of Sources
A large portion of this article is completely lacking in sources. The first section seems to repeat information in different ways and mix terms as well. Is there even a canon source for the statements about spiritual energy increasing by repeatedly practicing a specific jutsu? I'd imagine that it likely would have come from the first databook if anywhere.--BeyondRed (talk) 00:02, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
Kakashi explained something like this early in the series, those examples are made-up tho, at least I think--Elveonora (talk) 00:44, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
The examples in the introduction paragraph are merely examples of general skill, ninjutsu, and genjutsu, which do spend chakra. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:54, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
life force topic
Ok, according to Cerez (as he had answered on naruto questions wiki) life force is chakra, can anyone provide a canonical source for such a thing? Not to mention he passes physical energy as stamina (this is likely true tho, but I don't remember it stated but I'm free to be mistaken just as anyone) What Cerez suggests then is that the Younger Son had both high chakra amount and strong chakra. But the Elder Son was noted to have had strong chakra, meaning life force can't be the same thing, unless both had the same thing--Elveonora (talk) 12:59, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Life force seems to refer to two separate things, but not really chakra. "Life force" as in the natural vitality in Orochimaru and Hashirama's cells and "life force" as in a sort of life energy used in Rinne Tensei, Muki Tensei, etc. I'm wondering if the same term is used for both in Japanese or if it's two terms that translate to roughly the same thing.--BeyondRed (talk) 15:18, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Life force isn't chakra for 2 reasons:
# why would Kishimoto refer to the same thing with 2 terms? # revive no jutsus use life force, if it were just chakra, how would that differ from chakra transfer technique (which doesn't bring dead back to life by the way) ???
Life force is simply what it says, force of life, power of health/vital energy or something like that.--Elveonora (talk) 15:29, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
They're not the same, but they're related. The most canon example of it was Chiyo's One's Own Life Reincarnation. By her own admission, it uses life-force to give life to the subject of the technique, and Neji saw Chiyo using the technique using the Byakugan, and he mentioned something about her chakra flow during the technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:08, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
If you guys give me a chapter and a page, I can try to give you a proper translation. Seelentau 愛議 13:26, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
I don't think there's any, what Omni says is likely the only canonical mention about it, that's why I was also wondering from where did Cerez get it--Elveonora (talk) 13:29, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
- Life force is not the same as Chakra, as Chiyo's Jutsu proves. Seelentau 愛議 13:42, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for clarification--Elveonora (talk) 13:56, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


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- When I followed the Page Title link from the top of the easy check page, I was a little confused by the icon next to link. I thought it might be some kind of a drop-down. I realized that it was just part of an anchor link when I followed the "markup" link inside the Page Title description and was jumped to the "Back Ground" section.{Jan}
- [slh to fix] This is off-topic, but as I was looking at this I noticed something else that seems worth a double-check. Specifically when I went to look at the Resize section at http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/preliminary#resize (which appears to have replaced http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/preliminary#zoom), I was distracted by the page "bouncing." It turns out in at least Chrome on Mac (and I bet other browsers) on hover over things like "To check contrast with IE WAT" (that is h4 .f_panelHead) it adds a solid border-bottom, when there isn't a border-bottom in non-hover state. Maybe add a solid border of background color for default to stop this jiggle?{Anna Belle 8 Nov}
- [question for Jan :-] Under "Easy Checks, A First Review of Accessibility," possibly change the third paragraph to read, "This page provides checks for specific aspects of a web page and suggestions for Next Steps(link)." (Then remove the phrase below the specific aspects anchors that refers to next steps). {Jan}
- Can you say why? I'm missing the rationale for moving the link to Next Steps up before the links to the main content? {shawn}
- [response to Shawn :-] I thought about moving the Next Steps up because I thought that it was visually lost after the anchor links and seemed disconnected to the flow of content. It just seemed to me that the information about "Next Steps" flowed better as a part of the introduction sentence instead of being on its own after the anchor link content. {Jan}
- comment {name}
Using these Easy Checks
- [closed until usability testing] Maybe move the expand/collapse buttons that are directly above this heading to be underneath this heading. {Jan}
- Those expand/collapse buttons apply to the entire page, not just the "Using these Easy Checks" section. Do we need to say explain that better? We can check during usability testing... {Shawn}
- [EOWG discuss] I think the statement, "screen readers are software that reads aloud the information in a web page. They are used by people who are blind and by some people with reading disabilities" might be misleading. People with "reading disabilities" typically use "text readers," which are different from "screen readers." Screen readers not only read aloud the information on a web page, they also allow for mouseless navigation, which I think is an important distinction. Maybe consider changing the statement to something like, "screen readers are software that reads aloud the information in a web page and provide for navigation without a mouse. They are used by people who are blind or visually impaired." I just think that there needs to be a distinction between screen readers and text readers and who the targeted populations are. If the group agrees with this suggestion, then we would need to change the definition for screen readers under Diversity in Web Use as well @ http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/browsing#sr {Jan}
- +1 for ths change to both places, since it is a more accurate functional distinction that has impact for different disabilities. I also appreciate the fact that it makes the relation clear to mouse-less navigation. {Sharron}
- I'm not so certain that this distinction should be made. Perhaps it's a regional difference, but in UK screen readers are frequently used by people with reading difficulties, and the mousless navigation is more to do with the functioning of the screen reader, rather than of the visual ability of the user. {Bim}
- I think I like Jan's suggestion, but am doing a local (Australian) check before I confirm {Andrew - 15 Nov}
- I think this distinction is valid, but will be lost on someone who is performing an "easy check." Let's not get lost in minutiae. {Paul 11/21}
- comment {name}
Page Title
- I think its better to give the easy option as the 1st point for the user. 4th option is the easiest: "With your mouse, hover over the browser tab to see the full page title, like this:" {Anthony}
- comment {name}
Image alts
- Under Tips, in 5th point its better to mention about html longdesc element. We can write something like "......, and then the detailed description of the information should be provided elsewhere using html attribute "longdesc" [1]." {Anthony}
- Under "What's not needed in alt text:", 2nd point describes an example alt text for an diagram. Its confusing why its not needed? {Anthony}
- Under "Alt text checks", "There are three options for checks listed below." is not clear. Can we re-word it like, "There are three options to check alt text as below" {name}
- comment {name}
- comment {name}
- comment {name}
- [EOWG - OPEN action] To check contrast with IE WAT - finish instructions
- Don't understand question: [@@ how to show where it is on the page]{Helle 1. Nov.}
- Someone said there is a way to get from the table to where it is on the web page -- that is, from a row or cell in the table you can see where that is on the page -- but I don't know how to do that...
- Is this a case where an illustration might be helpful? Show the table and show how the table-based output relates to whatever is onscreen? {Sharron 11 Nov}
- I'm pretty certain the JuicyStudio table which opens in a new tab/window does not link back to the tested page and the only way to find where the colours are mapped is by mapping the nodes to the HTML (or doing some visual identification) {Andrew, 15 Nov}
- Don't understand question: [@@ how to show where it is on the page]{Helle 1. Nov.}
Resize Text
- comment {name}
- [open] Zoom - keyboard shortcuts. Following up public comments I rechecked the content of text only and whole page zoom. In Mac Safari and Mac FF, when you use the View drop down and select text only zoom - it puts in a tick and then any increase/decrease impacts text only (using cmd with + or -). BUT in Windows FF, you can chose either page or text zoom from View menu. However, the keyboard short cuts are different for text an page zoom. Zoom page is the default ctrl + or - with ctrl zero for reset to default. Text only zoom is thus "control key AND shift key with + key all at the same time". I recommend we add this as an extra line to step 2.
I don't use IE much and I don't use a mouse - but does anyone know if it still does zoom using the mouse wheel? Also is this only page zoom? (For reference I am on v22 for both Mac FF and Windows FF){Suzette}
- [open] A minor edit change: In the firts item at "What to check for" say: "A common problem is that text is in images and it doesn't get bigger" and it should say: "A common problem is the text is in images and it doesn't get bigger" {Emmanuelle}
- I think this is not substantially more clear than the previous. How about a completely different approach? Perhaps something like "A common problem occurs when text is not presented in a real text format but is actually an image of text. In such a case, when text zoom is used, the size of the image is not changed and so the graphic of the text does not enlarge." {Sharron 11 Nov}
- +1 for Sharron's revision - I think that makes it a bit more clear {Jan}
Keyboard access and visual focus
- comment {name}
DRAFT of addition to Forms Section
If you have a basic familiarity with HTML, you can drill down on how the form is coded. While HTML allows both explicit and implicit form labels, some assistive technologies do not correctly handle implicit labels. One of the most reliable techniques for making forms accessible to assistive technology is therefore to use the label element to explicitly associate the form control with the label. This ensures that however the user comes to the form control, its purpose will be clear. If you are comfortable looking at the code, the following will help you identify accessibility features.
What to do:
- Open the source code of the page you are testing and find the section that contains the form.
What to look for:
- Verify that a
labelis attached to the form control through the use of the
forattribute. The value of the
forattribute must be the same as the value of the
idattribute of the form control. The
idattribute may have the same value as the
nameattribute, but both must be provided, and the
idmust be unique in the Web page.
{Sharron, 3 Sept 2013}
open items on forms
- [EOWG thoughts] In BAD, it seems that the focus does not go to the error messages. Shall we still include BAD for checking errors? We can submit a change request for BAD, but it will likely be a while before it gets implemented.
- Why will it take "a while" for that change and what are the parameters for that timeframe? What is needed...programming resources? a volunteer? group consensus? Making that change in BAD is by far the best solution, so maybe we can focus on getting that done. {Sharron 11 Nov}
- I agree with Sharron, we should continue to use BAD. Any idea what is causing the browser to not have focus go to the error messages? What browser / version is this occurring in? {Paul, 11/21}
- comment {name}
- [EOWG thoughts] suggest edit for: "Check that the information makes sense, for example, [@@ reading order]."
- I'm confused, are we focused here on the Forms section? I do not find that text string within the Forms section, but do find it within the Plain Content View section, where it seems to work just fine - no change seems needed from my perspective. {Sharron 11 Nov}
- comment {name}
- [EOWG thoughts] suggest edit for: "Data tables will not make sense when linearized -- that's OK -- screen readers have functionality to make them usable (when the table is marked up correctly)."
- Same comment as previous - this is NOT part of the current forms section {Sharron 11 Nov}
- comment {name}
- If label is present:
How to check for implicit (aka embedded) labels:
Using the Mouse:
- Place the mouse over the label and right click.
- A menu will appear; Choose the Inspect Element option
- The label code will appear. If it has a "for=formID" attribute the form / control passes.
- If the form / control HTML occurs inside the scope of the label element, the form / control passes.
- If label is not present
- Place the mouse on the form / control and right click
- Check for a title attribute. If a title is given the form / control passes.
- Check for a value attribute. If a value is present the form / control passes.
I think that handles all programmatically determined cases. {Wayne, 21 November}
- Wayne, I put this in the wiki as you requested and made the change from "name" to "value" in the second section - "If label is not present." Your most recent post to the list reverts to using "name". Which is correct? {Sharron, 21 November}
- Also, since H65 says title may be used "when the label element cannot be used" shouldn't we make that qualification clearer? {Sharron, 21 November}
- Finally, I think the next version of explanation of implicit forms that you posted to the list begins into that territory of complexity that has Suzette tearing her hair and asking us to leave Forms out of Easy Checks altogether. Can we keep the simple, early version for the sake of the "Easy"part of Easy Checks? {Sharron, 21 November}
- Your comment {name, date}
Comments after 14 June
- comment {name}
- Completing forms: I think some illustrations will be useful to the novice trying to understand forms using the WAT results. I am not sure how the proposed image in step 2 will differ from the image in step 3. In either case showing a present and absent label for or id will be sufficient. For step 5 however, I cannot see how WAT helps - surely you have to look at the code view to see if the asterisk is included or excluded - or am I missing something? Would an image help? {Suzette}
- Update to WAT: Many many thanks are due to both Steve Faulkner and Jim Thatcher for resolving some issues with form checking using WAT. Newest version of WAT is currently 2013-07-19 and not 2013-06-13 as stated in Easychecks introduction. {Suzette}
- [EOWG] Reconsider: are the labels checks are too hard for Easy Checks? (Suzette say more here? : I'm trying a typical college application form with no apparent track record on accessibility: http://www.newham.ac.uk/pages/studentshomepage/findacourse/onlineapplication. The tabbing seems to work, including the drop down boxes. {Suzette responded:}Downloaded new version of WAT - it is clearer that something is wrong than in previous version - many things are labelled now as input errors and also select errors and container errors - which Easychecks don't mention. Some specific fields picked up as lacking 'label for'. Is there a simple explanation for input and select errors? WAVE was easier to understand with its red and green luggage labels but there is a lot of other issues identified too. FF has a feature on Forms/ outline form fields without labels - the outline is a bit too subtle and easy to miss! On the other hand, if the form passed most success criteria I guess the whole thing would be much simpler! Is it sufficient that the novice tester can just say that this form needs further investigation?)
- Forms are one of the most barrier-ridden elements of pages, a common reason that web sites are NOT accessible and one of the most formidable challenges when done incorrectly. I am strongly in favor of finding a way to include basic forms testing even if we carve out some very simple tests and make a host of qualifications. {Sharron 11 Nov}
- I agree with Sharron - we really do need to include some forms-checking in our Easy Checks. My simple suggestion to people re testing for form labes being associated is to try clicking the lable with the mopuse and if the focus jumps into the form control, then probably ok (not definitive, but an easy check) {Andrew, 15 November}
- comment {Name date}
- [EOWG review] "Check that the focus is at the error message."
Proposal for clearer guidance:
After you have submitted the form with errors, check that your browser brings you directly to the first error on the page. One best practice is to list all errors at the beginning of the form that contain an internal link leading directly to each error."{Sylvie, 17 June}
- Two questions with this:
- How do people "Check that the focus is at the error message" or "check that your browser brings you directly to the first error on the page"? I think this is easy to check with a screen reader but maybe not visually?
Response from Sylvie on June 18: if you take the example of search engines like Google, when you open the home page your browser prompts you directly to the search field, and this even without a screen reader. I am right?
Response from Shawn on 25 June: Yes, but how can the the person doing the check check that? Visually, if it is a text box, there is a cursor. How check non-visually? What if it's a control other than a text box? Or just a plain text message? How check that the focus is there?
Response from Sharron on 11 Nov: Can we advise the use of a free screen reader - NVDA or the JAWS demo?
Response from Andrew on 15 Nov: Sharron, I think asking someone to use a screen reader is a big ask in Easy Checks. Sorry, I don't have an alternative suggestion.
Response from Name on Date: comment
- The next bullet says: "Generally it is best if the error messages are before the form, rather than after the form." Is saying "One best practice is to list all errors at the beginning of the form that contain an internal link leading directly to each error." too prescriptive? If not, how can we integrate it into the existing bullet?
{Shawn, 17 June}
I am not sure if it is too prescriptive. It is only an example of what can be done to help the users find the errors. {Sylvie, 18 June}
- [EOWG review] In the note for labels checks, clarify following sentence:
"Note: These instructions help you check if labels are marked up with 'label', 'for', and 'id'; they do not check if form controls are identified in other ways. Therefore, even if a form does not pass these checks, it might still meet WCAG 2.0 another way."{Sylvie, 14 June}
- I added the sentence before in your blockquote. Can you say what is not clear? How me might clarify it? {Shawn, 17 June}
- I mean the sentence: "Therefore, even if a form does not pass these checks, it might still meet WCAG 2.0 another way." I am not sure that this "another way" is clear. {Sylvie, 18 June}
- [EOWG]: Do we want to be more specific? Or how else can we be clear without being too techy and detailed?
- Would it be any clearer if "be WCAG another way" were changed to "meet WCAG in another way"? {Bim, 28 June}
- Yes, +1 to Bim's suggestion {Sharron 11 Nov}
- comment {name date}
- [closed ?] In Check labels with FF, I don't understand following note:
(There's not an easy way to check form control labels with the FF toolbar. The Form Labels favelet works with Firefox, yet it requires installation.)What does this enable you to do? Why do you mention that it requires installation, as FF toolbar also requires installation. More explanations are needed here. {Sylvie, 14 June}
- OK, I added more explanation: "The Form Labels favelet works with Firefox and provides the same information as from IE WAT above." We mention it requires installation because in the beginning we say we only use to 2 tools that require installation, so this is an exception. {Shawn, 17 June}
- Must we include both browsers? If so, I will +1 to the new explanation. If not, I am in favor of omitting the second suggestion for FF in the interests of avoiding still more noise in this section. {Sharron, 11 Nov}
- comment {name date}
Earlier comments still open 18 June
- [EOWG open - heading for this section simply "Forms?" or more?]
- Currently the section covers: Labels, Keyboard Access, Instructions, and Error Handling" Maybe keep it short and just use "Forms" ? {Shawn 10 June}
- Title on current version is "Forms and Error Messages" but in this wiki it's "Forms, Form Labels, and Error Messages." I prefer the latter {Howard, 6 June}
- +1 to "Forms, Form Labels, and Error Messages." {Sharron, 11 Nov}
- comment {name, date}
- [OPEN action] In Section "captions", look for a way to turn on open captions with the keyboard, for example in Youtube activating the CC button. (How to do it with nvda from Howard -- but we want more generic instructions, e.g,. sighted keyboard users.)
- [EOWG thoughts?] "If there are captions, transcripts are not usually required; however providing transcripts in addition to captions has many benefits — both to people with disabilities and to website owners. [EOWG: OK to say??]" Should we point to Benefits?
- I think this is definitely OK to say, and yes, it should point to benefits. In fact the benefits are even broader than what we claim here. Besides PWD and website owners, captions support literacy for all readers. Captions for Literacy provides links to research if we want to get that detailed.{Sharron 27 Oct}
- comment {name}
- [EOWG thoughts?] "Check that transcripts include all audio information, including dialogue with the speakers identified, and all important sound [repeat examples above or not?]."
- Do not repeat examples, but maybe OK to point to them or make a short reference.{Sharron, 11 Nov}
- comment {name}
Plain Content View
- [EOWG thoughts?] [ Make sure that there are reasonable ways to skip around long lists of links and other boiler plate content that is repeated on every page in the site. @@ need to be more specific on this one - how do they check that? what specifically are they looking for? or is this not a priority and we should leave it out?]
- No strong feelings, editor's discretion{Sharron 11 Nov}
- comment {name}
- [EOWG thoughts?] To practice checking plain text view with BAD section: Do we want to point out other things?
- No strong feelings, editor's discretion{Sharron 11 Nov}
- comment {name}
- comment {name}
[EOWG open]What to call this section?
(Keep in mind how it fits with the other items in the contents list.)
Latest proposal: Unstyled Linear View
- more brainstorms & discussion in 22 Nov minutes
- Plain Text View
- Linearize the Page for Experiential Learning
- Basic Display
- Bare Bones Display
- How some people "see" the web page
- Information Organization
- Different Presentation
- ...
- I think plain text is a misleading term. It makes me think of the
 element. Very fixed and very rigid. Linearized text, is marked
up HTML. There are links, headings, paragraphs everything but style, and regrettably data tables. Actually it is styled with the default
HTML style. Links are blue, headings are big and lists are lists.
Linearizatized text is very structured markup in a different format. If linearize is to geeky how about "reading order" --convert the page to reading order.
For me plain text has a very bad connotation. People used to give ASCII page equivalents that were rarely equivalent. These alternatives were referred to as "plain text" alternatives.
{Wayne, 17 June}
- It's more than linearize or reading order, it turns off images & CSS as well. {Shawn}
- I think "Linearize" has a foundation that can be explained and is traditional. But it could also be something like, "undress the page", or "stripping the page".{Emmanuelle, 18 June}
- I agree with Wayne about the bad roof of plain text. I am afraid people think that making a page accessible is providing a text version without images and anythhing else. I like Emmanuelle's "undress the page" (I mean the idea in it). From the proposals above I would prefer "different view", or what about "alternate view or presentation?"? {Sylvie, 20 June}
- I find the current draft of this section somewhat confusing - sometimes "linearize" is used, sometime "plain text". The difference between the 2 are not clear, at least not spelled out. I found the diagrams confusing because there's no explanation of how you render in 1 column versus "page linearized with styles off." I'm a little concerned with the term linearized - it's not a term, I believe, that is used in any other tool such as Wave or Web Dev'l Toolbar, etc. Perhaps there should be only one example (since this is easy checks) - a page with styles turned off. Explain this is used to hear how a screenreader will render the page. {Howard, 27 June}
- How about "Text view" or "Reading order"? {Bim, 28 June}
- Among the suggestions above, I prefer:
- How some people "see" the web page
- Information Organization
- Or Bim's suggested "reading order".
- I also like the idea behind "undress the page". What about "simplify the page" or "basics of the page" or "See the page framework" or similar {Andrew, 28 June}
- Current title of "Plain Content View" may still have the connotations of "Plain Text" that we tried to avoid. I like moving in this direction. {Sharron 11 Nov}
- comment {name, date}
Next Steps
- [EOWG thoughts] What else to list as other accessibility issues not covered in these easy checks?
- No additions to suggest{Sharron 11 Nov}
- comment {name}
- comment {name}
Internal Notes
Easy Checks - Illustrations moved to its own page.
- Ask Identifying Web Accessibility Issues to link to Easy Checks when it's more done.
- comment {name}
Usability Testing
Things to test with users
- Expand/Collapse: test to see if the "+/-" icons convey this feature
- might want to consider putting text such as "expand/collapse" in addition to the "+/-" icons
- Meaning of terms such as "accessibility," "page title"
- Do users understand the term "accessibility"
- We assume that by the time users access this page they understand the term "usability." Perhaps this needs to be reconsidered.
- Do users understand what we mean by "page title" or do we need to explain further
- Do users understand the term "accessibility"
- Resize Text - especially check if they understand the horizontal scrolling bits
Case study notes
See SK/MC Case Study Notes in the 30 May 2013 snapshot
Consider for Later
- The text says: "The first thing screen readers say when the user goes to a different web page is the page title. Page titles are important for orientation — to help users know where they are and move between open pages."
Would it be useful to have a sound clip of the screen reader going through page titles? Low priority, but maybe neat for people who don't know screen readers? {Shawn}
previous versions, etc.
- WAI draft page
- title ideas
- For tasks, example use cases with audience, and focus for this and related documents, see the Eval Analysis page, including the table at the top and the specific Analysis section at the bottom
- A template for the check items is at the top of the discussion tab.
- For previous drafts and contributed material, see:
- Prelim Eval 2013-Nov-4 - snapshot of draft on 4 Nov 2013
- Prelim Eval 2013-October-25 - snapshot of draft on 25 Oct 2013
- Prelim Eval 2013-June-18 - snapshot of draft on 18 June 2013
- Prelim Eval 2013-May-30 - snapshot of draft on 30 May 2013 -- includes SK/MC case study info
- Prelim Eval 2013-March-7 - snapshot of draft on 7 March 2013
- Prelim Eval 2013-Feb-26 - snapshot of draft on 26 February 2013 - end of f2f before more edits
- Prelim Eval 2013-Feb-21 - snapshot of draft on 21 February 2013
- Prelim Eval 2013-Feb-08 - snapshot of draft on 8 February 2013 in the middle of edits
- Prelim Eval 2013-Feb-01 - snapshot of draft on 1 February 2013 before edits
- Prelim Eval 2013-Jan-24 - snapshot of draft on 24 January 2013
- Prelim Eval 2013-Jan-17 - snapshot of draft on 17 January 2013
- Extensive revisions and suggestions at Archived_Work_on_PreLimEval (Links section)
- From Wayne & Tom Prelim Eval input: Smart analysis simplified
- Old page with Denis' edits and Ian's input in Preliminary Eval - old notes


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|Blacksmithing (Profession)
|Ingredients • Proficiencies • Quests • Recipes • Trainers • Economical Training
Blacksmithing is a profession and is the art of forging items out of metals, minerals, and other trade goods. Blacksmiths utilize bars of metal unearthed and smelted by the mining profession along with various trade and magical goods to produce their wares.
A blacksmith can create melee weapons, armor (mail and plate), trade items used as ingredients by other professions (such as rods for enchanters) and keys used to unlock a variety of items in the world. Additionally, blacksmiths can craft items that when applied to weapons can provide temporary (and in some cases, permanent) buffs to items.
While they can create a variety of items, they strangely cannot repair these items when damaged, and must still use the services of a repair vendor.
In general, blacksmithing mainly benefits mail and plate wearing classes for the unique armors that can be created. However, most (if not all) classes can use a good deal of the weapons produced by blacksmiths. Ideally, blacksmithing would be paired with mining as a second profession. Mining is not a prerequisite for the blacksmithing profession.
As of patch 3.0.2, Blacksmiths can now permanently place a socket on their own bracers and gloves at skill level 400 (see Socketing below).
Training as a Blacksmith
Blacksmithing is taught by various blacksmithing trainers located throughout the world. Prospective blacksmiths must be level 5. Initial training costs 10 copper, granting the Apprentice level with a potential skill of 75 and access to apprentice blacksmithing plans taught by trainers or found throughout the world. Most recipes require the use of a blacksmith hammer and anvil, however, some (such as Rough Sharpening Stone, for example) do not.
The following are the required levels and potential skill of each stage of the profession:
|1 - 75
|50 - 150
|125 - 225
|200 - 300
|200 - 300
|200 - 300
|275 - 375
|Grand Master
|350 - 450
|425 - 525
Grand Master is only available after installing the expansion Wrath of the Lich King.
Illustrious is only available after installing the expansion Cataclysm.
Note: Since Patch 4.0.1 all blacksmithing trainers teach up to Illustrious level blacksmithing (except multi-profession trainers in starting areas). Weaponsmithing and armorsmithing are taught by trainers in Ironforge and Orgrimmar. Weaponsmithing specialists reside in Everlook. Master level blacksmithing can be learned from respective trainers located in Outland.
Unlike some other professions, Blacksmithing does not get an additional ability. However, blacksmiths do get to add additional sockets to their gear that are not available to other professions. See the Socketing section below for details.
Advancing as a Blacksmith
Crafting items is the only way to progress through the stages. Plans will appear as one of four colors in the profession window, with a certain chance for a skill up (gaining a point):
|100% Chance
|50-75% Chance
|50% Chance or less
|0% Chance
As your blacksmithing skill increases, plans will change from orange to yellow, yellow to green and green to grey. Only by finding higher skill plans can one continue to progress through the stages. Approximately every 5-10 points, new plans will become available to learn. These can be learned from trainers, looted from corpses, given as quest rewards or purchased from vendors or the auction house. All plans have a requisite blacksmithing skill to be learned and produced. Additionally, some plans cannot be learned until you have a certain reputation level with a given faction.
A blacksmith of level 60 and skill 350 can become a Grand Master for 35. Trainers are available throughout Azeroth and also in Shattrath City of Outland as of Patch 3.1.
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See also
- Guide to obtaining every blacksmithing recipe
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Hi YazzieGirl, and welcome!
Can you upload one of your scans? There are quite a few tricks that might help, but it'd be easiest if we could see what you're working with.
Greetings ~ I am new to the guild, and am really quite amazed by this community.
My project is really quite basic - I have a collection of photocopied hand-drawn diagrams which were originally done on graph paper in pencil. I am attempting to digitize the diagrams, losing the graph lines and capturing only the site map diagrams. I have tried a couple of things using GIMP, but it is going to take forever to completely lose any evidence of the graph lines the way I am fumbling about with it. My GIMP skills are fairly basic, there must be more straightforward techniques from harvesting only the drawn lines. Should you be so kind as to respond, please be very specific in your directions .... I may not know HOW to do something that you might suggest.
Many thanks!!
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Hi YazzieGirl, and welcome!
Can you upload one of your scans? There are quite a few tricks that might help, but it'd be easiest if we could see what you're working with.
If you have scanned them in color or greyscale then keep them like that - i.e. dont drop them to two color yet as most of the techniques to get rid of the graph lines need something to key on. What we use depends on what you have but will either be color or luminance. You also need high res too so no dropping the res to upload here - we can take up to about 5K pix square which is pretty big. Also PNG would be better than JPG but there is a 4Mb or so file size limit too. If you cant manage to upload it all then a small section is better than a rescaled page and we will show what to do for you to replicate that on the whole page.
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Redrobes and Gidde ~ I have edited the original post with a small selection from one diagram. It is a jpg, could change it to png, if needed.
Ok, your in big trouble here. The problem is that because they are photocopied then its turned all the lines into uniform color so there is no color difference between what you want and what you don't want. Next is luminosity - same. Its either black or white. That leaves the pattern and the pencil lines are about as thick as the grid which is also difficult to distinguish between them. So your not left with many options. I have a very special program which is not part of Gimp native but can be accessed with some extra plugins or something - I dont do Gimp. Anyway, this program looks for a grid like pattern and then removes it but in that process will remove some of the line info as well. You have the almost pathalogical case to deal with.
Can you get the original non photocopied versions of the maps and get them scanned in with a flatbed in color or at least greyscale so there is something to key on. Here is my best shot. Its not very good I would admit.
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Redrobes - this is precisely what I thought was going to be the case ... I will see if I can get my hands on the original drawings (I work remotely, so this may take me some time).
I am more familiar with CorelDraw than I am with GIMP. Are there other open source softwares that may be better suited for this project?
Thank you for your help!
I must admit that I use a variety of non standard tools so there may be others better suited to answer app specific questions but I will say that Gimp is free and open source. Also Xara is open source for Linux but closed for windows I believe. Not sure if either of these would be suitable for the case you have attached tho I reckon if you got something where the pencil was gray and the grid was light blue, or a different shade of gray even or that you had something else to key on then either Gimp or Xara would probably be able to do something better than my result. Normally this sort of thing can be done quite successfully.
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not to go back to the dark ages... but your best bet would be to head to an office store, by some quality tracing vellum, a nice set of pens and then trace the parts you want. Scan in the new black and white linework and add the text back in if needed using some app. The result would be ultra clean.
I've gotta say Redrobes has it nailed If this was my project, I'd probably be tracing over the stuff I wanted to keep, redrawing it on a new transparent layer so the old can be hidden/deleted.
Sure there all sorts of fancy things to do...knobs to push, dials to turn, but why? If you had the cyan grid it could have taken about 10 seconds...select by color, new layer, fill with white. I did try to blur the whole thing by .5 then max out the contrast and brightness and that was fairly decent but required going back and hand-painting white over a large amounts of dots...would have taken 5 minutes. So, I just traced it by hand in Ps, 5 minutes.
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If the radiance of a thousand suns was to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One...I am become Death, the Shatterer of worlds.
-J. Robert Oppenheimer (father of the atom bomb) alluding to The Bhagavad Gita (Chapter 11, Verse 32)
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ESC 601: Political Economy & Sustainability
2010-12-15 -
Course description updated.
Synonym:74020 (for web registration)
Faculty:Tania Schusler
Semester:Spring 2011
Meeting Schedule:Fri 1/14 (1:00PM-8:29PM)
Fri 2/4 (1:00PM-8:29PM)
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Fri 4/1 (1:00PM-8:29PM)
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(Formerly Environmental Economics and Public Policy)
Competency Areas Spring 2010 and earlier: Civic Ecology or Policy elective
Competency Area: Fall 2010 – Required Core
Sections A & B – Restricted to Fall 2010 EE, ASJS & SDS, and students who entered in Spring 2010
Sections C, D & E – Restricted to Fall 2010 SDCC, CB & Science Teacher Certification
Section F – Restricted to Resource Management and Conservation Weekend program students. Note: *This section will be combined with ES 705 Political Economy and Sustainability taught in the doctoral program.Sections A – E available as of 12/15 to all ES students.
Political economy seeks to explain how political institutions, the economic system, applied sciences, and social movements interact over time. This course will focus on how these dynamics generate varied outcomes in relation to the goals of sustainability, justice, and economic well-being. Students will examine the political and economic roots of the global sustainability crisis. Students will assess political and economic reforms, policy processes, and policy tools that might yield better outcomes. Students will also develop a greater understanding of possible action strategies from within civil society, the business sector, government, and/or international bodies for creating a transition toward a more sustainable society. Section F only: *Doctoral students will explore theories, evidence, and controversies associated with the political, social, cultural, and/or economic dimensions of a specific topic relevant to their doctoral interests. (Additional contact hours will be met by specific coursework designed to be completed on-line.)


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May 4, 2012
Ben Doster
Wake Forest has been in close contact with Kelly Hilinski since the Demon Deacons offensive line coach Jonathan Himebauch visited the Sherman Oaks (Calif.) Notre Dame quarterback earlier this week.The 6-foot-6, 220-pound Hilinski spoke with Himebauch Thursday, May 3 and said he is supposed to talk with Wake's quarterback coach Tom Elrod Friday, May 4."Their area recruiter [Himebauch] stopped by to let me know that the offensive coordinator was coming by in a couple of weeks to visit and watch me throw and hopefully make an offer," Hilinski said. "He's checking out a couple of guys in California to compare me in person to those guys and then make the offer to the best quarterback he sees."Wake Forest is pushing Hilinski to attend its football camp this summer.Harvard and Yale have also offered Hilinski along with Arkansas."I'm going to camp with them [Razorbacks] during the summer and see if it's a place that I'd like to play at in the next four years," Hilinski said.Hilinski thinks Duke, Kentucky, Oklahoma, San Diego State and Utah are close making scholarship offers.He grew up cheering for the Fighting Irish."I was good friends with Jimmy Clausen when he went to Notre Dame, and I'm friends with Nick Montana and his dad [Notre Dame alum and NFL Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Montana] and my dad and him are good friends," Hilinski said.Hilinski, who is rated by Rivals.com as a three-star prospect and labeled as a pro-style quarterback said academics will be a major factor in his decision-making process.The rising senior added that he only wants to play early if he can help the team and be successful, which fits Jim Grobe redshirt formula to help players grow and develop in the system and ease the transition from high school to college. ...More... To continue reading this article you must be a member. Sign Up Now!
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Scientists have completed a major analysis of the genetics of breast cancer and find four major classes of the disease. They hope their work will lead to more effective treatments.
The new findings offer hints that one type of breast cancer might be vulnerable to drugs that already work against ovarian cancer.
The study appeared online Sunday in the journal Nature. It's the latest example of research into the biological details of tumors, rather than focusing on where cancer arises in the body.
The hope is that such research can reveal cancer's genetic weaknesses that someday can be targeted by drugs, even some already in use.
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Interim Final Rules Issued on New Federal Parity Law
The Departments of Health and Human Services, Education, Labor and Treasury today released interim final rules providing guidance on the Paul Wellstone and Pete Domenici Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008. The regulations are available online.
At first glance, the regulations – which are Interim Final with a comment period – appear to be a huge victory for consumers and families.
Importantly, the regulations provide new standards with respect to equitable coverage for "non-quantitative" treatment limits, which are defined in the regulations as medical management, drug formulary design, step therapy, "fail first" policies and exclusions from coverage based on failure to complete a course of treatment. This means that the standards for equitable coverage will apply to discriminatory application of medical management techniques as applied to mental illness treatment -- a tremendous victory for consumers and families.
It is important to note that these interim final rules regulations are not the last word implementation of the new parity law. A separate guidance is expected soon from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to states on how the law will apply to Medicaid managed care plans. Furthermore, additional guidance is expected later on the law's allowance for a cost increase exemption.
Effective Date: This IFR goes into effect on April 5 and will apply to group health plans with plan years starting on July 1 or later. Those plans that were charged with compliance for a plan year that began on January 1, 2010 will be given a good faith exception for compliance with the regulations until July 1.
Scope of Service: The IFR divides benefits into six classifications:
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Within each classification, if a plan provides MH/SU benefits, those benefits must be provided at parity with the medical/surgical benefits provided in that classification.
In addition, the Departments are encouraging public comments on whether and to what extent the Parity Act addresses scope of services or continuum of care provided by insurance plans (information about how to submit public comments is included in the IFR).
Cumulative Financial Requirements: The IFR prohibits plans from instituting separate deductibles, copayments, and out-of-pocket limits for MH/SU and medical/surgical benefits. Any deductibles, copayments, and out-of-pocket limits required by the plan must be integrated and cumulative for all services.
Tracking Implementation of the New Law: Going forward NAMI will be putting in a place a webpage to track information from consumers and families on how the new law is working. This information is critical to informing policymakers in Congress and the Obama Administration on additional steps that may need to be taken to strengthen the law and ensure adequate enforcement. In addition, it is critical for NAMI to demonstrate to the larger public that parity is making a real difference in improving coverage of mental illness treatment and expanding access to critical medical services for children and adults living with mental illness. Among the key issues that need to be tracked:
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Marcus Smart on the NBA Draft: "I have not made a decision yet."
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As top prospects (and lower-level fringe underclassmen) all over the country declare for the NBA Draft, jumping ship with regularity these days, Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State's guaranteed top-five pick, continues to wrestle with the decision whether or not to turn pro.
"I have not made a decision yet," Smart said, talking publicly for the first time since OSU's season-ending loss to Oregon. "I'm still talking with my parents, the team, Coach Ford, just trying to get some things situated and get more information to make my decision."
While many have categorized the decision as an obvious one for Smart (take the guaranteed money and run), he views it a bit differently, with positive and negatives to both sides.
"It's definitely been stressful," Smart said, hours before accepting the Wayman Tisdale Award in OKC, given to the nation's best freshman. "A lot of people want me to stay, a lot of people want me to go. But it comes down to my decision and what I decide to do."
"I have made a pro-con list and it gets more difficult every time I make the list," Smart continued. "I make it every day and my mind changes every day and it gets harder and harder every day."
Asked when the decision may come, Smart shied away from setting a definitive date: "It'll be soon, but not that soon."
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"One outcome of the information age is that statistical reasoning is increasingly used by almost all professions to evaluate evidence and make data-based decisions," says Dr. Nathan Tintle, a professor in Dordt's Department of Mathematics, Computer Science, and Statistics. A strong preparatory program in statistics will help you produce data-driven arguments and make you a more savvy consumer.
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In order to save Replays in TF2, one needs Quicktime. I have several other codecs installed on my system, is there any way to make TF2 use them?
Valve have said in a forum post a while back that they will look into whether they can come up with a different solution for Windows users, but for now we are stuck with it. However, there is an alternative. See this post for more informations:
Use this at your own risk
It is not possible to force TF2 to a completly different codec though.


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- "Death is coming for everyone and everything ... a darkness that will swallow the dawn."
- ―Melisandre
Melisandre, often called Melisandre of Asshai, is a major character in the second and third seasons. She is played by starring cast member Carice van Houten and debuts in "The North Remembers." She is an eastern priestess and a close advisor of Stannis Baratheon.
Melisandre is a Red Priestess of the Lord of Light, a deity little-worshiped in Westeros. Hailing from Asshai, a county located in the far east of the continent of Essos, she claims to wield powerful magical abilities, particularly the power of prophecy. Some years ago she crossed the Narrow Sea and came to the court of Stannis Baratheon on the island stronghold of Dragonstone, to preach her faith. Stannis and the majority of his household have now converted to her religion, and she has become a close adviser to Stannis himself.[1]
Season 2
On a beach in the island of Dragonstone, Melisandre conducts a ceremony for her god, the Lord of Light. Behind her, statues of the Seven, widely worshiped in Westeros, are burning as offerings. She intones "The Night is Dark and Full of Terrors" and the crowd of onlookers repeat her words. Melisandre predicts that a heavy darkness will fall on the world in the wake of the long summer, that stars will bleed while the cold breath of winter will freeze the seas and says that the dead will rise in the north. Maester Cressen steps in front of her and interrupts the ceremony, reminding the crowd that they were "named in the light of the Seven". Melisandre dismisses Cressen as old and fearful and challenges him to stop her. Cressen hangs his head and walks away. She continues her preaching with the story of the burning sword Lightbringer. She calls Stannis forward and he withdraws a flaming sword from the statue of the Mother with a gloved hand. His men cheer him as he holds the sword aloft and then kneel as he thrusts the sword into the sand. They chant "Lord cast your light upon us." Davos is the last to kneel as Melisandre responds "The Night is Dark and Full of Terrors." Stannis answers "The Night is Dark and Full of Terror." He holds out his hand to his wife Selyse Baratheon who joins him and they lead the congregation from the beach.[2]
Inside the castle of Dragonstone, Stannis holds a meeting in the Chamber of the Painted Table. Matthos Seaworth reads aloud from a letter that he has prepared stating Stannis' claim to the Iron Throne. Stannis objects to the use of "beloved brother" to refer to Robert Baratheon, Davos calls it a harmless courtesy but Stannis insists that it is a lie and that it be removed from the letter. Matthos continues to detail the illegitimacy of Joffrey Baratheon as product of incest between Cersei Lannister and Jaime Lannister. Stannis insists that Jaime be called the Kingslayer and that he receive his title as a knight. Matthos finishes. He orders copies of the letter to be sent to every corner of the realm from the Arbor to the Wall.[2]
Davos counsels that House Lannister is the true enemy and urges Stannis to make peace with his younger brother Renly Baratheon. Stannis says that he will not make peace with Renly while he is claiming the throne. Davos notes that many lords have already declared for Renly including Mace Tyrell and Randyll Tarly. Melisandre interjects that Stannis does not need to beg lords for support because the Lord of Light stands behind him. Davos asks how many ships the Lord of Light can command and Melisandre says that he has no need for ships. Davos accepts that he does not but says that they do if they are going to war. Davos asks Stannis to consider Robb Stark instead of Renly. Stannis counters that Robb is trying to steal the northern half of his kingdom and reminds Davos that he had always been firm with thieves. He says that Joffrey, Renly and Robb are all thieves and that they must bend the knee to him or be destroyed. Cressen stands and offers an apology for his actions on the beach before inviting Melisandre to share his wine. He draws from the cup before handing it to Melisandre. Cressen steadies himself on the table and his nose begins to bleed; he had poisoned the drink. Melisandre drinks from the cup anyway and then watches the Maester collapse, his blood spreading on the stone floor beneath him. She says that the fire burns the terrors of the night away and the jewel in her choker pulsates with light.[2]
Stannis and Melisandre arrive to the Chamber of the Painted Table, finding Davos and Matthos already there. Davos reports his success recruiting Salladhor Saan and his pirate fleet. Stannis is doubtful of their capability but ultimately relents to Davos' arguments and promises that Salladhor will have his share if he gets the job done and dismisses the men. As they leave Melisandre stops Matthos and whispers in his ear.[3]
Stannis asks Melisandre what she said to Matthos. She reveals that she told him that "death by fire is the purest death." Stannis questions her intent and she says only that it is true. She asks if Stannis is troubled and he says that he is. She claims that armies are toys to the Lord of Light. Stannis suggests that she tell her god to burn them. She says that she can tell him nothing but prays for, and obeys, his commands. Stannis reports that Renly has 100,000 men whose allegiance should be his. Melisandre urges him to have faith. He tells her that in a real war the side with the greater number wins and that he cannot take King's Landing without Renly's men and cannot defeat Renly in the field. She claims to have seen the path to victory in the flames. He reminds her that he has said her words and burnt the idols of the Seven already. She circles behind him and undoes her robe. She tells him that he must give all of himself. He reminds her of his marriage vow. She says that Selyse is sickly, weak and shut away in a tower and that she disgusts Stannis. She says that Selyse has given Stannis no sons, only stillborns and death. She promises him a son. He repeats the promise as she kisses his ear. He returns her kisses and lifts her onto the table, scattering the models onto the floor.[3]
Stannis, accompanied by Melisandre, Davos and several guards, meets Renly on the coast of the Stormlands to parley. Renly brings Catelyn Stark, Brienne and Loras Tyrell along with his own guards. Renly feigns confusion over his banner and wonders why Stannis' version of the stag is aflame. Melisandre explains that Stannis has taken the fiery heart of the Lord of Light for his sigil. Renly says that she must be the fire priestess he has heard so much about and jokes that he now knows why Stannis found religion late in life. Stannis warns his brother to watch his tongue. Renly says that he is relieved that Stannis is not really a fanatic and calls him charmless, rigid, and a bore but not godly. Melisandre admonishes Renly to kneel before the Lord's chosen and says that Stannis was born amidst salt and smoke. Renly jokes that she makes Stannis sound like a ham. Stannis again warns his brother. Catelyn admonishes the brothers as the discussion continues, with Renly reminding Stannis no-one supports his claim. Stannis, for the sake of their mother, gives Renly the night to reconsider and offers to restore him to his seat on the council and name him his heir until he has a son if he strikes his banners before dawn. He says that otherwise he will destroy Renly. Renly reminds Stannis of his numerous supporters and says that they will make him king. Stannis wheels his horse and rides away as Melisandre warns Renly to look to his sins because "The night is dark and full of terrors."[4]
Stannis summons Davos to his flagship, the Fury. After a brief conversation Stannis orders Davos to smuggle Melisandre ashore and says that it must be done in secret and that they will not speak of it afterwards. Davos asks Stannis to consider cleaner alternatives but Stannis insists that cleaner ways do not win wars.[4]
Davos rows Melisandre into a cove below the cliffs of the coast. She asks him if he is afraid, calling him Onion Knight, and he retorts that he has been told that the night is dark and full of terrors. She says that he has carried more unpleasant cargo in his time. She asks if he is a good man and he says that he is a mixture of good and bad. She counters that half an onion is black with rot then it is a rotten onion and asserts that good and evil are absolutes. Davos asks which she is and she says that she is good. She says that she is a champion of light and life.[4]
They beach their rowboat and Melisandre asks Davos if he loves his wife and he says that he does. She asks him about other women and he asks her not to talk about his wife. She says that she is speaking of other women like herself and asserts that he wants her. She tells him that he wants to see what is beneath her robe and that he will.[4]
They enter a cave in the cliff. Davos says that it is strange that her Lord of Light asks her to work in the shadows. She counters that shadows cannot live in the dark and are servants of the light. He finds their way barred and says that the bars are new. Melisandre says that their passage cannot be barred and opens her robe. She appears heavily pregnant and Davos calls on the seven gods for protection. Melisandre tells him that there is only one god and that he only protects those who serve him. Davos's lanterns glows with increasing intensity startling him. He backs along the wall of the cave as Melisandre lies down on her robe. She begins to moan and something shifts under the skin of her belly. Her choker glows red as she throws her head back. Her moans and gasps intensify as Davos looks on. Shadowy hands grip her legs and a dark figure pulls itself free of her womb. The shadow stands before her for an instant before passing between the bars.[4]
The shadow assassinates Renly and Stannis takes control of the majority of his army. Catelyn Stark and Brienne of Tarth are in the tent with Renly when he is killed. Catelyn is not sure what she saw, but Brienne is sure it was Stannis. Stannis sails on King's Landing with his new forces but Davos convinces him to leave Melisandre behind lest she be credited for his victory.[5]
Stannis suffers a crushing defeat at the Battle of the Blackwater but manages to retreat.[6] He returns to Dragonstone and confronts Melisandre about the validity of her predictions. He begins to strangle her in fury but relents when she reminds him of the spell they used to kill Renly. He expresses regret at murdering his brother. Melisandre warns him that he will commit worse betrayals before their long war is over but insists that he must fight on. She shows him a vision in flames that awes him and restores his faith in her.[7]
Season 3
Following Stannis' defeat at the Battle of the Blackwater, the King becomes isolated and withdrawn, and allows no one but Melisandre to see him. Melisandre begins to conduct human sacrifices, ordering any of Stannis' remaining followers who spoke out against her or their dwindling cause to be burned alive as offerings to the Lord of Light.[8]
She leaves Dragonstone for the Riverlands, despite Stannis wanting her to stay and be with him. She insists there is something they must find. When she arrives, she meets Thoros of Myr of the Brotherhood Without Banners, who have Arya Stark and Gendry.[9]
|Season Two appearances
|The North Remembers
|The Night Lands
|What is Dead May Never Die
|Garden of Bones
|The Ghost of Harrenhal
|The Old Gods and the New
|A Man Without Honor
|The Prince of Winterfell
|Valar Morghulis
|Season Three appearances
|Valar Dohaeris
|Dark Wings, Dark Words
|Walk of Punishment
|And Now His Watch is Ended
|Kissed by Fire
|The Climb
|The Bear and the Maiden Fair
|Second Sons
|The Rains of Castamere
Image gallery
- "Death by fire is the purest death"
- ―Melisandre
- "Look to your sins Lord Renly, the night is dark and full of terrors."
- ―Melisandre to Renly Baratheon
- "You've chosen the darkness Ser Davos, I'll pray for you..."
- ―Melisandre to Davos Seaworth
Behind the scenes
- Carice van Houten was previously asked to audition for a different role when Season 1 was shot, but schedule conflicts prevented her from auditioning. She was asked to come back to audition during shooting of Season 2, and was cast as Melisandre. [10]
In the books
In the A Song of Ice and Fire novels, Melisandre is a priestess of the red god, R'hllor, the Lord of Light, whose worship involves the idolization of fire and light. R'hllor is a popular deity in several of the Free Cities (particularly Lys, Myr, and Volantis) but is almost unheard of in Westeros.
Very little has been revealed about Melisandre's earlier life, other than that she is originally from the city of Asshai in the distant east. Melisandre recalls that as a small child, she was a slave named "Melony". She was sold at a young age to the temple of the Lord of Light in Asshai, eventually rising to become a priestess, and thus has spent most of her life in the service of the religion.
In A Clash of Kings, Melisandre "gives birth" to two shadows, the second being the one that Davos bears witness to. He ferries Melisandre into the caves beneath Storm's End because the castle is an ancient stronghold, and guarded against magic. To accomplish this he employs the same route, and "smuggler's tricks" he used when smuggling onions and dried fish into the castle during the Siege of Storm's End in Robert's Rebellion.
See also
- Melisandre at A Wiki of Ice and Fire (MAJOR spoilers from the books)
|{King Stannis Baratheon}
|Blackwater Bay and the Stormlands
|Lord of Dragonstone
|Current members:
|Deceased members:
|Queen Selyse Florent · Princess Shireen Baratheon · Petyr Baratheon · Tommard Baratheon · Edric Baratheon
|{Maester Cressen} · Lady Melisandre · {Lord Axell Florent} · Ser Davos Seaworth · Ser Imry Florent · {Matthos Seaworth} · Bert · {General}
- ↑ HBO viewers guide, season 2 guide to houses, House Baratheon of Dragonstone - Melisandre entry
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 "The North Remembers"
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 "The Night Lands"
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 "Garden of Bones"
- ↑ "The Ghost of Harrenhal"
- ↑ "Blackwater"
- ↑ "Valar Morghulis"
- ↑ "Valar Dohaeris"
- ↑ "The Climb"
- ↑ "[1]"


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