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| User:The Boy Who Cried Direwolf
I'm really not a big fan of fragmented conversations, so if you post something here, I will reply here. Likewise, if I post a message on your talk-page, please reply there. Thank you.
Fragmented conversations
I, too, cannot stand fragmented conversations criss-crossing between two user talk page; it makes three-way or more conversations extremely difficult. Any correspondence will follow the same pattern as on a Talk page for a specific article; all on one Talk page.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:28, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
- How refreshing to meet someone who feels the same about this. Some wikis actually prohibit users from dictating the way their discussions are formatted. I'm very relived to discover that this is not the case here.--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk) 19:20, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
- For all I know it is, actually. I just think it's utterly counter-intuitive (unless I'm trying to get someone's attention because they've been away from the wiki for a while or very busy on other articles and want them to get the popup message).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:34, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
Excellent work on setting up your own userbox. I was hoping they'd catch on, but for the first six months or so only the Stark and Targaryen ones were getting any usage (thankfully The Knight of the Flowers came along and is a big Tyrell fan). Still the hope was that if people wanted them for other Houses beyond the original dozen or so that they would learn by example and set up their own; excellent. I think of the Starks as honorable fools who don't understand that the rest of the world isn't playing by their rules (though at the same time, the Targaryens always followed the basic rules of war, fealty, hospitality, etc.). Anyway there is much work to do in many areas, but you understand that we can't use book spoilers (despite the unfortunately choppy and needless cliffhanger ending they forced at the end of Season 2) so you should be alright. Minor thing - the Boltons use pink in the books but I think their TV series color scheme is red and black.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:33, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for the kind words. Truth be told, I based my page on your own, as I thought it looked particularly cool, and, as a long term reader of "A Wiki of Ice and Fire" I've become a large admirer of Amoka's work. "Fools" is certainly an apt term for the Starks. In particular, I found Eddard's inability to distinguish what is "honorable" from what is truly right maddening, no end! And yes, I think I understand the spoiler policy and whatnot. I've been meaning to sign up to this wiki for a while, but due to sitting exams (and everything that goes with it) I just haven't had the time. I did spend a few days orientating myself with the wiki, it's policies, guidelines etc. so as to spare you, and others from having to go around explaining things to me, and fixing my mistakes. I too was left somewhat frustrated by the way the "Siege of Winterfell" was depicted, creating speculation among non-book readers where none need exist! I'm glad there is still work to be done, as I'm very eager to be of service. Is there anything in particular I could turn my efforts to? I'm aware that this wiki (more so than most) is incredibly well put together, and so I'm very cautious not to spoil that. And you're absolutely correct about the colors of House Bolton. In fact, I did preview a pink box, but it was far to garish. Anyway, thank you again. Well met.--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk) 19:20, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
- Well it's a compliment; pet peeve is I can't stand how "Thank-You-For-Your-Kind-Words" has become an internet stock phrase equivalent to "Thanks"; spreading like a thought meme. But that's just me getting fixated. I will say, without spoilers, that one of the reasons people are getting REALLY annoyed at the changes to Robb Stark is that he IS NOT a perfect leader; the whole point is that he's a good soldier but bad politician, and this increasingly becomes apparent. I.e., blaming Catelyn when he broke a vital marriage alliance by marrying a nobody for love. This isn't me talking - real-life friends (who read the books) are infuriated about how illogical the writers' hero-worship of Robb is. I'm holding off...because I honestly hope that Season 3 will begin with his uncle Brynden dropping the other shoe, and slapping him in the head and pointing out how idiotic breaking their alliance with House Frey was. I seriously, seriously wait for the precise moment when Robb looks into the camera and says "But I'd already had sex with her...marrying her was the honorable thing to do!"....and viewers everywhere will groan in unison, "Stark honor all over again". --The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:39, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was trying to be vague (sorry to delete your stuff above but we can't have spoilers)--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:35, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry about that. I was also trying to be vague, but obviously not enough.--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk)
As noted in the "in the books" section for "The Lord of Light", they've only ever used "Lord of Light" in the TV series, never "R'hlorr"; probably to keep fans from being confused (quite probably, there's a good chance "R'hlorr" is just the word for "Lord of Light" in he language of Asshai). Anyway, our convention has been to only use "Lord of Light" on the wiki, not "R'hlorr" (except in the "in the books" sections).--The Dragon Demands (talk) 19:49, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
- Right you are. It says in the introduction of the "Lord of Light" article that he's also known as R'hllor, so I'm not sure if you want to remove that.--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk) 19:56, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
- We're kind of fudging it a little but "(otherwise known as R'hlorr)" is at the beginning of the article just to set that up, bu it's an exception.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:17, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
"Not referred to as such yet" [1]. True. But note my edit summary when I created the "Ramsay Snow" page: [2] "was, is, and always will be, the Bastard of Bolton, Ramsay *Snow*."--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:08, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
- That he will. Fair enough, should I re-add it?--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk) 11:02, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, they do need to be written. I put the recaps into the episode category a few weeks ago and made that list on the top of the page with the idea that then the recaps would finally get written. I wrote about that on the episode category talk page, and I also wrote Golden Crown recap. That was painful. My iPad ran out of charge and I lost my whole edit and had to redo it. Ch'vyalthan (talk) 15:11, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
- That must have been frustrating. Fortunately it won't be an issue for me, as I always write everything down on paper first if I'm working on a major piece; like an essay, or coursework.--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk) 15:18, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
A is A
I realized the mistake with the "A" in "A Song of Ice and Fire" a few weeks ago....but realized it would require going through almost every article on the entire wiki to fix. It is taking too much time away from more pressing tasks. So my ad hoc solution has been this: every time I'm editing an article for any reason, and I notice that it doesn't have the "A" in "A Song of Ice and Fire", I fix it...along with the unrelated edit I was going to make. But it was taking too much time away from other goals to shoot time focusing on that. I think it's better to just chip away at it over time.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 22:32, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
- I came to the same realization after I changed the first dozen or so. Yesterday was a rarity for me in that I had the whole day to commit to the task. I doubt I'll get such an opportunity again in the near future, and so will do as you suggest and chip away, one bit at a time.--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk) 11:12, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
The format is supposed to be "In the A Song of Ice and Fire novels", as casual fans might not even know what "A Song of Ice and Fire" is if they're TV first. You've been changing this to just "In A Song of Ice and Fire" [3], but you should change it back.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 15:29, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
- If you insist, but isn't it redundant, as the above section headline reads "In the books"?--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk) 15:42, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
- I've also noticed this recently. I have some free time this week, and will assist. You've made a terrific start, however. The Knight of the Flowers 17:12, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks.--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk)12:23, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
Tough break with the username. I had a similar experience where I was "advised" by Wikia to change my own, because it contained my actual name. Which makes sense, I guess, as there are a lot of weirdos out there. The Knight of the Flowers 14:16, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Yeah, it wasn't a demand, just a suggestion. Seeing as I do want to join other wikis in the future, I thought I'd better just get on with it.--The Boy Who Cried Direwolf (talk) 14:43, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
- Your old username was better. What other "non-adult" wikis? At the very least, you're not editing on other wikis now...so why not just keep going by "The Bastard of Bolton" during months when actively editing here? I've you're going to join say, the Muppets Wiki a year from now or something, why not just change your name at a later date? I think other wikis would only notice if you were actively editing under then name (thus it would show up in "recent changes") and just leave a note on your "away" page during the off seasons on other wikis. If anything, what with Season 3 gearing up on here, won't you be here more than other places?--The Dragon Demands (talk) 23:46, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, it was better, and in retrospect I should have put more thought into the new one. I'm not active on any other wikis at the moment , and will be here almost exclusively in the coming months. However I want to edit Wookieepedia and the Harry Potter Wiki at some point, and the more well known I become under one name, the harder it will be to change to another. Oh, well. Such is life.-- 10:37, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Better images
Great job with the "Better Images"... I hope you find one for Tyrion.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 23:31, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
Meryn Trant
The lightning of the photo looks weird and Meryn's face is a lil' bot out of focus... If you can find/make a better picture it would be better. Check out HomeOfTheNutty for good quality screencaps.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:23, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
Your input
Hello Boy, if you want you're welcome to come over to the forum and voice your opinion Ch'vyalthan's fate.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 19:03, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Personalised signatures
I've noticed that users like you and The Knight of Flowers have personalised signatures, i.e you with direwolf head and the Game of Thrones font. I'm wondering, how do you make a personal signature like that? Draevan13 (talk) 15:17, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
- Hi there. It's easy enough, once you know how. My signature is simply two images, with links to my user and talk page. I downloaded the font from the web, and pieced it together myself, and re-colored it. I think The Knight of Flowers' sig is the result of wiki code. I'm happy to help you make a sig of your own, if you like?-- 15:34, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
- For starters I would suggest creating a user sub-page, like mine. This allows you to design your sig, and see what it will look like.-- 15:46, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, I created it: User: Draevan13/Signature. Draevan13 (talk) 15:53, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
- Excellent. Just go up to your username in the top right hand corner, bring up the drop-down menu and select "preferences". Then, replace the text in the signature box with SUBST:User:Draevan13/Signature, putting {{ round either end, and be sure to select the little box underneath.-- 16:48, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, it's all done. Thanks for your help! DRAEVAN13 17:02, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
God of Death/Many-Faced God
Good job of God of Death/Many-Faced God. I was reluctant to add it because it wasn't quite mentioned by name, but screw it, it will be there soon enough.
Also I must compliment the good work you've been doing on the wiki since joining just a few weeks ago. Your contributions have been of good quality and numerous. Not to sound obsequious though; just I was thinking of you in comparison to ass-hat Ch'vyalthan, who made far more edits and for months beforehand, and who you completely put to shame in a few weeks, simply by being a modest new editor adding new stuff where you can. Stay the course. Also good work on the religion boxes we'll have to get to those soon enough...--The Dragon Demands (talk) 18:40, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. I was also hesitant, as I seem to recall that the Faceless Men regard their God as simply a metaphor for death itself, rather than an actual omniscient deity. It's been awhile since I read the latter books, however, so I couldn't quite remember. As for the infoboxes, again, thanks. I didn't want to start flooding the wiki with them, but there are a couple of major season 3 factions that I thought of adding: House Frey, the Brotherhood etc - I wasn't sure if it would be best to wait until people show an interest in them?-- 07:23, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
Martyn Lannister
Please, please, other than Imdb it would be good to find another source for the appearances and casting confirmations, since Imdb often employs second-hand sources such as fan-sites, even the wiki itself, and can be edited by users.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:52, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
Stannis image
There was another new image of Stannis. I think that would be better for the infobox. His teeth-grinding would be better, uncropped, in the gallery.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 15:36, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
- I did consider that one, but A: his head is slightly chopped off at the top, and B: there isn't much shoulder to be had. The image starts almost immediately under his chin, which makes the proportions seem a little off. I also thought his facial expression was a little bland, whereas the teeth grinding is characteristic of Stannis.
It's entirely up to you, though. I'll upload the other one anyway.-- 16:43, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
House Bolton Family Tree
Good work on the House Bolton family tree template. Can you make some minor changes to bring it in line with how the page for Robert Baratheon handled bastards: Bolton and the miller's wife should be a dotted line, not a solid line, like for Gendry; also it might confuse people that her name was "Miller", so copy what was done for Gendry and retitle his mother as "An unnamed miller's wife". --The Dragon Demands (talk) 20:32, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Infobox image updates
Please, don't forget to move the previous pictures to the gallery, specially when the infobox image is a promotional one, like in Roose Bolton's case.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:49, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, thank you! QueenBuffy 06:32, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
- And can you tell me who/what the little girl was at the end? QueenBuffy 06:50, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
- The assassin? Just an apparition conjured up by the Warlocks of Qarth. They want revenge on Daenerys for killing Pyat Pree.-- 06:55, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
- Oooh, okay. I thought maybe some new kind of creature lol. QueenBuffy 07:00, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
- The assassin? Just an apparition conjured up by the Warlocks of Qarth. They want revenge on Daenerys for killing Pyat Pree.-- 06:55, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
Frey family tree
Instead of one for all the house, I think it would be better to have one for each of Lord Walder's women.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 20:48, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Unidentified boy
Do not spoil Theon's location or who are holding him. If you see, some of the men torturing him are dressed like ironborn and even have the Greyjoy sigil.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:38, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
New quotes
Nice quote for Locke. Just don't forget to remove that "quote needed" category when you add new quotes to articles.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 07:08, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
My Editing got deleted
Hey, I edited the page on ' Brothers withough Banners" today and it has now been deleted.
Why has this happened?
22.214.171.124 11:31, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but your editing simply wasn't up to scratch. I always strive to improve other people's... inadequate contributions, rather than reverting them point blank. However, the paragraph you added was so laden with spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors that it bordered on gibberish, and was necessary to remove it entirely. This wasn't done to offend you, but to maintain the high standards that people have come to expect from this wiki. I hope you understand.-- 11:50, April 8, 2013 (UTC)
Ros picture?
Shouldn't we not update Ros picture with a picture from Valar Dohaeris. Her status is certainly changed where we first saw her as just a prostitute. Mesmermann (talk) 12:22, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
Willem Lannister photo
Great job on the Martyn Lannister screenshot. Please, give us Willem now.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 18:00, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
It is impossible to be both a Maester of the Citadel and sworn to House Bolton. Maesters drop their House allegiances.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 04:12, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know. Apart from the House Bolton one, those boxes are mainly just there for advertising purposes. I thought that users would be more likely to use them themselves if they saw them on someone else's page. -- 13:42, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
Image hunt
Images of Karstark shields.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:18, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
- An easier one, when Liam Cunningham is credited, the Seaworth sigil appears. Just like he Tarly huntsmand appears next to John Bradley West's credit.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 02:21, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
Great job! Now all we need is a better image of Shireen.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:37, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
May I ask you a favor?
Can you create a gif image of my crown that is next to my signature? Right now it's pink and on a white background...but I want it like...transparent and have no idea how to do it. Know what I mean?? Thanks and congrats on new adminship...you deserved it! QueenBuffy 20:40, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Done. I hope that's what you meant. And thanks:)-- 21:06, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Yes it is! :) It looks like a portion or little dot is remaining haha. It doesn't have to be that crown, I mean...if it's easier to find another pink crown to use we can go that route. I want it smooth like your sigil QueenBuffy 21:13, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
- I thought you'd like that! ;) Oh, okay.. any of these would work: PINK CROWNS. QueenBuffy
- AHH! I love my signature!! Thank you Bastard! lol QueenBuffy 19:20, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
I agree about Rheon, just from the preview for episode 6. That's cold evil, when he's sarcastically apologizing while he's in the middle of torturing Theon. That whole "oh I'm sorry does that hurt? Don't worry, we're going to ransom you soon and set you free! (STAB) Oh no, I"m sorry, I had no idea running my knife into you was wrong, I've learned the error of my ways! (STAB). --The Dragon Demands (talk) 14:58, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
Martell family tree
Doran Martell is mentioned in the blu-ray. Could you create one including Elia Martell and Trystane?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 00:40, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
Rachel P's signature
This was helpful to me too. I came here because I was also impressed with your signature. I had a little (basic) understanding already of coding so made a couple of necessary adjustments to mine. Would you possibly be willing to help me add a green border around my name or to use a different sort of font, something more flowy/elegant. Feel free to say no/ignore. {{SUBST:User:Rachel_P/Signature}} 08:10, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
- Or maybe I haven'y got it right yet. {{SUBST:User:Rachel_P/Signature}} 08:13, May 5, 2013 (UTC
- That is indeed the idea. Thankyou. Rachel P 11:00, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
- Hmmm. Definitely better than what I have now, so thankyou. I'm just thinking maybe it's slightly illegible though on the P. Definitely the vibe I was thinking though. Rachel P 12:25, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
can you fix this
Some asshole F*cked up this page... I tried to fix it but it's all jacked. Can you try? Differences. QueenBuffy 05:29, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
House Clegane family tree
Can you fix it? --Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:11, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
Infobox images
If we get a chance of using a clean, sharp HBO promo image for the infobox picture, I think we should (regardless if Loras is tilted a way that looks him to be on a toliet) We've always used HBO promo shots when available, versus screencaps for infobox images. Also, their "Heads" aren't cut off, the top of their hair is- even in the Loras image you like better, his hair is cut off. Updating and trying to use the most recent image for an infobox has always been something we've done. I reverted Robb and Loras' images, but I will admit Baelish's was a little too far cut off the top.QueenBuffy 17:30, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
- Sure, images should be updated every once in a while. However, I think we should simply use whichever image is best, regardless of the source. This seems to be the case so far; there's a good, healthy mix of promos and screenshots floating around. I don't think we should feel mandated to change a character's profile pic every time HBO release a new promo, as, unless the character has aged drastically (cough, Bran, cough), or undergone a drastic physical transformation - it's largely unnecessary.
- Regarding Loras: The actual difference in quality is actually very small 404 × 639 vs 627 × 768. And, yes, the screenshot has a bit of hair cut off at the top; the promo, however, stops almost at his forehead. As for Loras'... posture... yes, it's a bit unfortunate, but his facial expression also looks somewhat... strained in that promo. Maybe that's just me.-- 17:57, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
Do you have a non-cropped version?.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 03:08, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
- I can get one, but to tell the truth there's nothing else there, except black wall. That's why I cropped it.-- 12:19, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
I want your take on this
So I am working on my Jaime/Cersei relationship page. You know, those incestual crazy kids I love so much. Any who, in the background/history section, would it be considered a book spoiler if I mention their history as children? I didn't think so, but thought I'd get your take on it. QueenBuffy 08:01, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
- I think as long as it only contains info related to the show it should be fine. Then you can use the "in the books" section to highlight the differences, as long as you don't overtake A Storm of Swords.-- 08:19, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, seeing as I have yet to read the books still (yeah yeah I know lol) It won't be too spoilerish. I will do the minimum of what I know and people can add what they wish as well :) Thanks! QueenBuffy 08:25, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
- It hasn't been clearly stated in the TV show just yet; I would put in one line that "they've been in the relationship since they were very young" just to emphasize for TV-first fans that this isn't a recent development; however the bulk of the details should probably go under "in the books".--The Dragon Demands (talk) 16:41, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
TB Wiki
Oh yes, I left TB Wiki frankly because I was exhausted, but mostly because I lost interest in the show. It just totally let me down and I lost respect for it (went so far downhill for me, total 'camp fest'), therefore I really wouldn't be much help on the Wiki. I will say you get a LOT of spam and vandals on it, it is a wiki you really have to stay on your toes with. And stay clear of Lovely Crys... he is an imposter and basically like CestWhat, possibly worse. The Wikia Staff are aware of that user. QueenBuffy 17:12, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
Another image request=
For the sigil besides Jerome Flynn's credit. I guess its a flaming arrow since the chain was scrapped.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 05:39, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
Could you do me a favor kind ser
I need to get some sleep and for some reason HBO hasn't uploaded the trailer for Episode 8 yet. Can you keep an eye out for it here: Uploaded GoT Vids and put it on the main page once it is available. You may want to also put "Inside the Episode: The Bear and Maiden Fair" underneath it too, if they upload that as well. I'd appreciate it. Thanks :) QueenBuffy 05:42, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
It is my nameday... and on this day I declare a Melee between The Boy who Cried Direwolf and Gonzalo84! BE ON WITH IT!!!!!!!! ;) QueenBuffy 23:21, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
- Happy nameday Your Grace. I'm afraid I don't fight in tournaments. When I fight a man for real, I don't want him to know what I can do!-- 07:57, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
Family trees
Could you please update the Stark and Lannister family trees to indicate Sansa and Tyrion's wedding?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:19, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
Another image request
I don't know if you keep checking the Image Request forum so ?ill do it here. We need a better image of the second sons banner, and a small version for the character infoboxes.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 17:13, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delayed response, I've had a very busy couple of weeks. Business as usual next ep.-- 08:56, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
Martell family tree
I already covered the Second Sons thing. Lets hope HBO releases a better image in the future. Anyways, I'd like to ask you to create a House Martell family tree, now that Oberyn has been announced for Season 4.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:29, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
- It may have to wait until the off-season, as I'm incredibly busy with real-life stuff right now. I'll do my best.-- 09:50, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
help with upload of photo?
Sorry to bother you but could you check my uploaded dragon painting... I ended up in a merrygoround with it again, and I had only one chance to set the self, and one chance to write the copyright, I could not find it again. This could be my computer problem here, there seems to be no back button for me. thanks for your help, susanSusan Ae (talk) 02:56, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
In the Wikia as it is in the Series
When I say "As it is in the series it is in the Wikia, the nice people get axed while jerks like Jofrey strut around", it is a snide retort. When I say it is a pity that the adms of this wiki should be nicer to new users, or they are going to scare potential editors", I am being frank about my feelings.
I did not think I needed to be sly about my comments, and just spoke my feelings. You guys are the ones who inflated the issue by erasing my blog. My first "complaint" was made as a joke. All that was necessary was for "Dragon Demands" to have replied that the robot that sends automatic welcome messages must be faulty and all would be ok.
Instead he replied he does not have the time to be nice to newcomers, because he is too busy editing.
I have a very poor opinion of people who do not have time for basic politeness - and I told him so. Politeness is the lubricant of social relationships and there should always be time for politeness.
Besides that, you are always way too busy because this wiki does not have many editors, and the wiki would have more editors if you were nicer to newcomers, so you are caught in a causal perpetual loop.
Your loss, not mine. I have been busy hiking in Peru, so I could not be bothered with your petty wars - just like the whole war of the 5 kings is futile, because the real threat is coming from the North, as the White Walkers are up and about again.
So keep slaving away, working too much because you don't enough editors because you keep axing nice people who try to help. It is your choice.
By the way, I am traveling and posting from a public wifi, so don't even bother blocking this IP address.
Tia Serena
- Looks like we got us a Troll fellas. QueenBuffy 03:04, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
Tia...this isn't a forum. This wiki does not exist for people to have fun clicking the "edit" button and seeing the nonsense they can post. This wiki exists as an online encyclopedia about the TV series "Game of Thrones". Yes, it could be functionally run by maybe a dozen people (more or less the current number of regular editors). You are expendable. You were not being "nice" - that has nothing to do with anything. Nor were you particularly trolling (though yelling at the Admins is a problem). You simply weren't contributing enough and when you were called out on this you lashed out at the Admins. We don't need to tolerate that. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE POLITE: I have more respect for editors who argue with me on matters they disagree about but who MAKE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS. They get results. You made a small amount of edits to maybe four character articles....then put even more time into blogging about things. Vastly out of proportion to your work output.
Regardless....for God's sake you don't have the mental where-withal to understand that wikis have automated welcome messages? OR, you honestly expect the admins and regulars on this wiki to take time away from heavy editing to FAWN over you and say "welcome"?
What happened was that you joined the wiki, I left a note on your talk page about something you had edited, and you got....personally insulted that I didn't preface my note by saying "HELLO" and a giant welcome? For God's sake we get a dozen new minor editors every few days during the current season when the TV series is airing. Do you have any idea how ridiculous your conception of how wikis work is?
What..."petty wars"? No one is arguing between two camps of different users. You're a new user who was surprised that a major wiki with dozens of editors didn't drop what it was doing to give you the big hello. You weren't particularly helping. Nor is your absence a particular loss. If anything, losing the distraction of your presence actually FREES UP MORE TIME to work on the wiki.
"More busy because we need more editors and we're driving them off"? Quite the contrary: a handful of regulars know what to write about better than hundreds of ineffectual new editors who never try to learn; every idiot with a keyboard who wants to post spoiler information about the Red Wedding. We're quality control. You seriously think a mob of dozens of new editors would make sense of things? They'd just fight even more and create more "bureaucracy" and internal arguments. Better to have quality control, retaining editors who know what they are doing. We're not "busy" because we don't have enough users: due to Season 3 airing, we got overburdened with such an inrush of new users (who don't stay around long) that we had to waste time copy-editing their work. DO YOU REALIZE that I personally wrote most of the episode summary sections for the first five episodes? Dozens of people didn't do that. I was busy with school in the second half of the season but again; under a dozen people actually write the vast majority of this. You honestly believe that we need an influx of new users? At best, it's a screening process for new regulars. We need high standards of quality content, and I'm not afraid of banning people for the greater good. I'm unashamed of this...to the point that I've openly, symbolically mounted the heads of those I've banned on my userpage, as a warning. We don't need fussy noob editors like you who think you're god's gift to the wiki. You didn't do enough work, you didn't earn respect or prestige. Burden not Columbia with your chaff.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 21:07, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
Denoting The Deceased
I've been browsing random pages, noticing the uniformity of the formatting. A note on the recent Wiki activity page mentions looking as House Lannister as an example of the desired formatting. I began looking at pages of the individual characters and noticed some differences as how deceased family members are listed. If you compare Stannis Baratheon to Loras Tyrell, you will see that they both list Renly Baratheon as "Family". But the way in which each page denotes Renly as being deceased is very different. I don't know if this difference is by accident or by design, because Renly is not exactly "family" to Loras. I'd prefer the brackets because they are concise, but many people may not understand the significance of them if they are not an accountant. The Mountain That Talks (talk) 14:04, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
- I have changed the Loras infobox to say "deceased" in the format the Stannis one does. We actually also use the "Family" box to indicate long-term romantic relationships - not very often, but those which significantly affect the plot. Renly/Loras is actually one of the few stable romantic pairings on the show, particularly one of the few long-lasting relationships of a non-married couple (keeping in mind that nobles don't marry for love, but to secure marriage alliances). You won't see "lover" put in the Family infobox particularly often, but Renly/Loras was significant enough that it bears mentioning.--The Dragon Demands (talk) 17:13, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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I need you to chime in on Chrys' running debate of having the Southern Novel books wiki merged onto the True Blood Wiki. They can debate all they want, but we will not be merging them. I need another admin to chime in and stand firm lol. This is an atrocious idea and will never be worth anyones time. This is exactly why the wiki staff didn't add the two to begin with I'm assuming. Thanks. QueenBuffy 11:55, July 12, 2013 (UTC)
NEVERMIND.. lol I notice you did. Thanks. I went ahead and closed that debate. QueenBuffy 12:00, July 12, 2013 (UTC)


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Levar Burton is speaking out about Romney's attack on the Public Broadcasting Service.
The former Reading Rainbow host told reporters that the Republican presidential candidate would be taking away a valuable education resource for children if he cut funding to PBS.
"I am personally outraged that any serious contender for the White House would target as part of his campaign the children of America in this fashion," Burton said.
"Educators across the country, as well as millions of children and adults know that the programming on PBS has been responsible for significant improvements in education, literacy, math, science and life skills for generations of our children."

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Tanzania is one of sub Saharan Africa countries that will benefit from a new business development cooperation that has been set up between the International Finance Corporation (IFC) and a Korean industrial giant, POSCO.
According to IFC, under a new accord, the two will work closely together in the coming months to identify and pursue investment opportunities in manufacturing, mining and infrastructure undertaking.
POSCO is one of the largest steel production companies in the world, involved in engineering, construction, power generation and natural resource development through its subsidiaries.
The company has led the Korean steel industry for four decades, and has expanded rapidly in many parts of the world.
Young-Hoon Lee, the firm's senior VP and head of strategy, said in the statement: "Africa is an increasingly important part of the global economy.
POSCO and its affiliated firms have a growing interest in finding new investment opportunities in Africa in steel manufacturing, natural resource development, infrastructure, energy and information technology sectors."
The new cooperation reflects the growing interest of international project sponsors in sub-Saharan Africa, and IFC's increasing involvement in South-South cooperation—projects executed in Africa by companies from newly developed countries or other developing countries.
Such investments encourage smoother capital flows and promote high standards that are critical for Africa's economic development, it said.
Korea is today a high income developed country and is part of the G-20 and a member of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
Saleem Karimjee, IFC country manager for Southern Africa, said: "IFC wants to help investors from other dynamic, rapidly growing economies find opportunities in Africa. IFC has a strong presence across the region, experience in a range of sectors, global expertise and high standards that can help our partners succeed in profitable and sustainable businesses in Africa."
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- Nov 5:
- Broncos' Bailey happy to see fierce pass rush from Denver's D
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- Broncos win despite Bengals' Newman intercepting Manning
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- Von Miller comes through with huge day for Broncos, nets three sacks
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- Peyton Manning throws 3 TDs; Broncos rally past Bengals in Cincinnati
CINCINNATI — We learned two essential things about the Broncos during their 31-23 victory against Cincinnati.
No. 1: Denver can be a championship contender without quarterback Peyton Manning acting like a football god every Sunday.
No. 2: Only a fool (like me) even thinks about calling Champ Bailey too old to play NFL cornerback at age 34.
"Everybody's looking for reasons to make me old. Yeah, I'm getting old. And I'm not as fast as I used to be. But I'm still good enough to play corner. It's just a job," said Bailey, laughing.
So don't be trying to downgrade Bailey to safety.
"Heck, no!" Bailey said. "I'm not a safety. Are you kidding me?"
Uncle Champ chased supremely talented Cincinnati receiver A.J. Green, a full decade younger and four inches taller than Bailey, around the yard all afternoon long without once asking for a lemonade break.
Nobody could remember when any team attacked Bailey the way the Bengals dared. Sure, Green made seven receptions for 99 yards and a touchdown. But he never could chase Bailey to the rocking chair.
"We knew Champ was up to the challenge," Denver cornerback Chris Harris said. "A.J. Green is great. He won some battles. We knew he would. But Champ won the war."
If the Broncos make a significant run at the Super Bowl, fans and historians alike will cite Denver's jaw-dropping, hallelujah-inducing comeback at San Diego as the tipping point. While this road victory in Cincinnati lacked the drama that lands a team on ESPN's top 10 plays, how the Broncos won is a sturdier sign they should be taken seriously as a contender.
Great teams do more than dazzle. They grind. While beating Cincy might not convince anybody the Broncos are now the equal of the Patriots or Giants, what Denver did is make a hefty down payment on playoff credibility.
Broncos 31, Bengals 23
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After applauding a comeback from neck surgery that's so dazzling as to make a mere mortal wonder if Manning has discovered the same fountain of miracles where Tim Tebow once bathed, it's fair to say that for a stretch in the third quarter, No. 18 stunk in the pocket.
Manning threw a dumb interception in the Cincinnati end zone. One of the greatest NFL QBs in history then doubled down on his fallibility by forcing his next throw for a turnover in Denver territory. A 17-10 lead by the Broncos became a three-point Cincinnati advantage faster than you could say: Nobody's perfect.
"I can't put our defense in that kind of situation. It was a poor decision on my part. We faced some adversity there and we were able to respond," said Manning, who wrapped 291 passing yards and three touchdown throws around his goofs.
Forget about it. Drive on. It really is the only way to keep trucking on the road in the NFL.
Coming soon to a television near you will be incessantly replayed video of Bailey stepping in front of Green to intercept a pass by Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton and set up a Denver touchdown that iced this comeback victory in the fourth quarter.
But the moment of such pure genius that it will largely go unrecognized was, of all things, a holding penalty against Bailey. With Denver clinging to a 24-20 lead in the final period, Green bolted past the 14-year Denver veteran on a long route along the right sideline. Rather than saying goodbye with disgust, Bailey reached out and blatantly impeded the talented Cincy wide receiver's progress.
Bailey got busted for defensive holding. The Bengals were awarded with a first down. Of course, it could've been worse for an 11-time Pro Bowl cornerback. Far worse. Swallowing pride to take a five-yard penalty is smarter than giving up a long touchdown. Every time.
"And what happened on that series?" Bailey asked me.
Bailey lived to make another play. He ended the Cincinnati possession with an interception.
"This game showed that we have a lot more on this team than just Peyton Manning," Bailey said. "And Manning doesn't always have to be perfect for us to win. Of course, we've got to go prove it. But you can't lean on one guy to do everything. That's the only way we're going to get to the dance."
Championship teams are built with a talent foundation that will certainly land Manning and Bailey on the doorstep of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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The NFL is not a game of perfect.
It's a game of survival.
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(a) In General.—
(1) Civil penalties.— Except as provided in paragraph (2), a person that violates this chapter or a regulation prescribed under this chapter is liable to the United States Government for a civil penalty of not more than $15,000. Each day of a continuing violation is a separate violation.
(2) Activities involving mobile offshore drilling units.— A person that violates section 12111 (d) or a regulation prescribed under that section is liable to the United States Government for a civil penalty in an amount that is $25,000 or twice the charter rate of the vessel involved in the violation (as determined by the Secretary), whichever is greater. Each day of a continuing violation is a separate violation.
(b) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.— A vessel and its equipment are liable to seizure by and forfeiture to the Government if—
(1) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of the owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes a false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel or in applying for documentation of the vessel;
(3) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been denied or revoked under section 12152 of this title;
(6) the vessel is a documented vessel and is placed under the command of a person not a citizen of the United States, except as authorized by section 12131 (b) of this title; or
(c) Engaging in Fishing After Falsifying Eligibility.— In addition to other penalties under this section, the owner of a documented vessel for which a fishery endorsement has been issued is liable to the Government for a civil penalty of not more than $100,000 for each day the vessel engages in fishing (as defined in section 3 of the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act (16 U.S.C. 1802)) within the exclusive economic zone, if the owner or the representative or agent of the owner knowingly falsified or concealed a material fact, or knowingly made a false statement or representation, about the eligibility of the vessel under section 12113 (c) or (d) of this title in applying for or applying to renew the fishery endorsement.
Source(Pub. L. 109–304, § 5,Oct. 6, 2006, 120 Stat. 1508; Pub. L. 112–213, title III, § 309,Dec. 20, 2012, 126 Stat. 1566.)
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|46 App.:14 (last proviso).
|R.S. § 4136 (last proviso); Feb. 24, 1915, ch. 57, 38 Stat. 812; Pub. L. 103–182, title VI, § 686(a)(4), Dec. 8, 1993, 107 Stat. 2220.
|46 App.:883a (2d, last sentences).
|July 14, 1956, ch. 600, § 2 (2d, last sentences), 70 Stat. 544; Pub. L. 86–583, § 2, July 5, 1960, 74 Stat. 321.
In subsection (b), in restating 46 App. U.S.C. 883a (2d, last sentences), the penalty of $200 for the owner and master of the vessel is omitted because subsection (a) provides a general civil penalty for violation of this chapter. The authority to remit or mitigate a penalty under section 2107 (b) is omitted because section 2107 (b) applies to subtitle II and this section is in subtitle II.
2012—Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 112–213designated existing provisions as par. (1), inserted par. (1) heading, substituted "Except as provided in paragraph (2), a person that violates" for "A person that violates" and "$15,000" for "$10,000", and added par. (2).
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Mariah Carey Says Nicki Minaj *Did* Threaten to Shoot Her
There was talk that NICKI MINAJ threatened to KILL MARIAH CAREY after their "situation" on the "American Idol" set on Tuesday . . . but a producer from the show denied it.
--However, Mariah believes she DID say it.
--On "The View" yesterday, BARBARA WALTERS said that she talked to Mariah before the show taped, and Mariah told her that when Nicki walked off the set, "multiple people" heard her say "If I had a gun, I would shoot that [B-word]."
--Mariah said she was "very concerned." She doesn't actually think anything would happen, but she said, quote, "Nicki is unpredictable, and I can't take a chance, so I've hired extra security."
--Mariah said Nicki hasn't apologized . . . but they've been together since then in meetings, and after one, Nicki said, quote, "I love you, but we might fight again," and Mariah responded, quote, "No, we will not."
--Mariah added that she doesn't feel "comfortable emotionally" . . . but says she'll continue with the show because she loves it.
Chris Brown Says He Broke Up With His Girlfriend
Yesterday, we heard that KARRUECHE TRAN had broken up with CHRIS BROWN. Well, Chris Brown is now confirming that it's over . . . but he says HE did the dumping.
--He says, quote, "I have decided to be single to focus on my career. I love Karrueche very much but I don't want to see her hurt over my friendship with Rihanna.
--"I'd rather be single allowing us to both be happy in our lives."
Did La Toya Jackson Take Bags of Money From Michael's House After He Died?
Are you ready for even MORE Jackson Family Chaos? We've got some, courtesy of a new book called "Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson" by a guy named Randall Sullivan.
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--Once they got in, they called a woman who had been the longtime nanny of Michael's kids before being fired. Apparently, Michael was in the habit of stashing money in plastic bags and under carpets, and she knew where it was.
--They asked the ex-nanny where to find it . . . and a security staff member says he watched La Toya and her boyfriend load the bags of money into duffel bags and place them in the garage.
--JANET JACKSON showed up with a moving van the next day . . . we assume to remove the bags.
--The book also discusses the craziness that happened earlier this year when some of Michael's siblings took their mother to a spa in Arizona and wouldn't let her contact Michael's kids.
--Not surprisingly, the book claims that was an attempt to gain a conservatorship over her . . . which would have given them control of her portion of Michael's estate.
Katie Holmes and Joshua Jackson Have Nixed a "Dawson's Creek" Reunion
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--An "insider" tells "In Touch Weekly", quote, "[Katie and Joshua] are too busy . . . they have a million things going on in their careers."
Kanye West Has Deleted All His Tweets Except One That Says "Be Back Soon"
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By SIMONE SEBASTIAN
c. 2011 Religion News Service
TRENTON, N.J. (RNS) Sohail Mohammed doesn't work for a big-name law firm. He holds a GED diploma, and he practiced engineering for years before he thought about working in a courtroom.
Mohammed, 47, an immigrant from southern India, however, does have experience in dealing with law enforcement. Since graduating from Seton Hall University School of Law in 1993, Mohammed has risen to prominence as a key voice of the state's Muslim community
Now he's one of Gov. Chris Christie's nominees for a judgeship on the state Superior Court.
The regional office of the FBI calls when questions arise about Muslim culture. He helped pass the state's landmark halal food law in 2000, which pledged to help protect Muslim standards for food preparation. And in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, he defended Muslim and Middle Eastern detainees swept up in the federal government's dragnet.
Along the way, he caught the attention of Christie, who was then serving as the state's top federal prosecutor.
"Sohail worked effectively and very appropriately with the U.S. Attorney's Office (of New Jersey) and the FBI in bridging relations and providing outreach with the Muslim community," said Michael Drewniak, a spokesman for the governor.
"And he did it at a time when federal law enforcement in New Jersey needed someone like him to do that."
But not everyone is praising Mohammed's work. Conservative bloggers and a well-known anti-terrorism advocate have blasted the nomination, concerned about Mohammed's criticism of certain federal antiterrorism efforts and his representation of a local religious leader battling government accusations of terrorist ties.
Mohammed declined to speak publicly before the confirmation process in the state Senate is complete. This is Mohammed's third attempt to join the state judiciary; if confirmed, he would be only the state's second Muslim judge.
"It's still not a smooth road going ahead. There will be some bumps along the way," said retired judge Robert J. Passero, who has mentored Mohammed over the length of his career. "He has a quiet confidence that it will work out."
Mohammed discovered his passion for law almost by accident.
He had immigrated to the United States at age 17 with one of his brothers and his mother, who held a green card sponsored by a relative. Eight years later, Mohammed graduated with a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering.
While in school, he was called to jury duty in Passero's courtroom and served as foreman in a criminal case. The legal proceedings captured Mohammed's interest. Several years later, Passero swore him in as an attorney.
Mohammed runs a general civil law practice, but his passion is clearly for immigration and cultural matters. In the crackdown that followed the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Mohammed represented undocumented immigrants who were detained while federal agents reviewed their backgrounds.
He also represented a Muslim man who was questioned by security at Giants Stadium. Other fans raised concerns when they saw the man and his friends praying during a 2005 game, according to news reports of the incident.
"These folks were exercising their fundamental right to practice their faith, and they wanted to enjoy, as Americans, their favorite sport," Mohammed said at the time, according to The Associated Press.
Mohammed also has forged close ties with local judicial and law enforcement communities.
His name has been passed to successive leaders of the FBI's Newark office as a community contact, said Michael B. Ward, who currently heads the office. Mohammed became an important resource after 9/11, explaining nuances of Muslim culture and arranging meetings between the FBI and Muslim leaders, he said.
"He has been of great assistance, working with us and bridging the gap" between law enforcement and the Muslim community, Ward said.
The Investigative Project on Terrorism, a nonprofit that examines funding and operations of Islamic extremism, called Mohammed a "mouthpiece for radical Islamists" in an online post about his nomination.
Until 2008, Mohammed represented Mohammad Qatanani, the imam of the Islamic Center of Passaic County, who was accused of failing to disclose an alleged conviction in Israel for ties to Hamas on his green card application. Qatanani denied any involvement with Hamas and won the case. An appeals court has since sent it back to the immigration judge for a rehearing.
Steven Emerson, founder of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, also cites Mohammed's involvement in the New Jersey-based American Muslim Union. Emerson criticized the organization and Mohammed, who has served as its general counsel, for making statements against certain federal antiterrorism efforts after Sept. 11.
"Views and statements that (Mohammed) has made are quite radical and would be counter to the views of a government" fighting terrorism, Emerson said.
But those who have worked with Mohammed in the legal and Muslim communities reject the accusations.
"There's a process through which the truth will ultimately prevail. That's the American way," said Asaad Siddiqi, president of New Jersey Muslim Lawyers Association. "He's articulate, compassionate, someone who understands where both sides are coming from."
(Simone Sebastian writes for The Star-Ledger in Newark, N.J.)
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- Is there anything to all the buzz on Twitter about Obama's weekend executive order?
- The Blaze: Atheists use "unholy water" to scrub away olive oil used to bless highway — because they're not going to tolerate 'bigotry'
- Rescued elephant herds inexplicably gather to mourn South Africa's "Elephant Whisperer"
- Amid violence, Egypt's Christians rely on Muslim friends, worry about future
- European tourists packing the pews at Harlem's historic black churches
- Ramadan, Iranian hijabs, Sikh daggers add unexpected drama to the London Olympics
- Internet spreading new accusations connecting Rick Warren with "Chrislam"
- Bestselling novelist Frank Peretti's "Illusion" is a love letter to Barbara, his wife for 40 years
- "Act of Valor" showcases real Navy heroes, wives and kids; and the bullets are real, too
- Bestselling author tells Oprah she's in a cancer battle for her life, but no longer mad at God
- British soccer sensation is a rural Texas boy who looks to Heaven after each goal he scores
- Trying to be a better parent, ex-Beatle Paul McCartney swears off of smoking marijuana
- Did Obama mean to pick a fight with America's two largest denominations?
- Did Rastafarian spokesman Bob Marley become a Christian on his deathbed?
- Are U.S. colleges hostile to Christian students?
- Building a Temple to Atheism
- Romney Nabs Second Primary Victory in Florida
- Science Whiz Gets a New Home
- Paying It Forward
- Surprising Twist in Gingrich SC Victory Speech
- Ottawa Girls Hockey Team Earns Spirit of Sport Story of the Year
- Search for Survivors on Italian Cruise Ship Continues
- So, you're getting married! What kind of wedding do you want?
- Does Bible ban tattoos? No, scoffs shopping center church that also offers cage fighting
- World Week of Prayer for Christian Unity faces an elusive challenge
- Why is New Hampshire's primary so important?
- Behind the scenes, Charlie Sheen rescued dad's, brother's inspiring movie "The Way"
- Texas, Alabama, Arizona groups ignore threats from Wisconsin atheists
- Barna: 8 out of 10 young Christians can't apply their faith to everyday life
- PETA wants equal time for dogs on TLC's reality TV show "All-American Muslim"
- Australia worries gambling hurting kids
- Atheists embracing faith for their kids
- Amazing 7-year-old actress stuns NYC
- Santa saves two from burning car
- Pretending to be Jesus renews skeptic's faith
- California carolers surprise shoppers
- Tebowing goes international
- Graphic novelist tackles Christmas
- Air Force base will keep its nativity scene
- Great Christmas gifts for your … dog?
- Thousands rally to save Texas nativity
- Over morning coffee, five friends inspire "Merry Christmas" billboards nationwide
- Last minute gift: a Jesus toaster!
- Bureaucrats decide Congressmen cannot write "Merry Christmas" in official mail
- Silent monks "sing" the Hallelujah Chorus
- All across America, "Secret Santas" anonymously paying off strangers' layaways
- Joy to the World! Take the word to the mall!
- American Idol star to take a two-year break from music, serve as a Mormon missionary
- Survey: poor economy hurting churches
- Christmas caroling meets "flash mobbing"
- Did atheist N. Korea's leaders really say they'll "pray" for deceased tyrant Kim Jong-il?
- British Prime Minister admits personal doubts, calls for Christian revival, values
- 15,000 Czechs tell census they're Jedi knights
- High schooler sues, says Constitution allows him to defend Christian morality in class
- Arizona to Wisconsin atheists: Quit whining!
- China "revokes probation" of Christian lawyer already jailed at secret location for 2 years
- Muslim women to shun bananas, cucumbers?
- Should 80-year-old "Bird Lady" go to jail for feeding her neighborhood's ducks?
- Food Safety News: Just because the label says "Honey" doesn't mean a bee would eat it
- Remembering Pearl Harbor and 70 years ago
- Saudis say female drivers lead to hedonism
- Church of the Nativity scheduled for a facelift
- Christmas stage collapses, but kids OK!
- "Openness" party calls for less openness
- Pope charged with not wearing seatbelt
- BBC unveils Prince Albert's sexy oil painting of Queen Victoria
- Pentagon retreats from Bible ban in U.S. military hospitals, but how did it happen?
- Dog shoots man? Yes, says baffled deputy
- It's 'Christmas tree,' say irked Rhode Islanders
- Iran official says illegal churches harm youth
- "Earthscraper" would bury an eco-friendly 65-story pyramid under Mexico City
- Miracle cross inspires tree-cutting crew
- American Legion: We wish Wisconsin atheists "would leave us alone"
- Christians the "target of every progressive thinker and half-witted comedian"
- "Tweet the Bible" starts 86-year project
- New film to highlight mystery of Elvis' faith
- Billionaire had a plan to prevent the Iraq war: Fly Mandela in to get Saddam to resign
- Who was missing from President's Obama's Thanksgiving Day message?
- Today's girls growing up in a "moral abyss"
- Pakistan bans "Jesus" cellphone texting
- Will Egypt become the next Pakistan?
- Do you remember Pearl Harbor Day 1941?
- Rick Warren: Bible has answers as Americans reel under a worsening economy
- Inventive doctor helps patient undergo radiation, deliver healthy baby boy, too
- Stephen Hawking says mankind's survival depends on manned space exploration
- Principal calls cops over 12-year-olds' kiss
- Brave 10-year-old brother yanks 6-year-old sister away, foils attempted kidnapping
- Pope warns against witchcraft
- Tebow faithful tweet, Facebook their prayers
- Conservative pioneer fund-raiser calls for boycott of annual Catholic offering
- French play depicts Jesus as "madman, dog, pyromaniac, messiah of AIDS, terrorist"
- Pastor, sergeant close church service with more than your average benediction
- Where does faith fit in with politics?
- NY Post: Scabies, lice at Occupy Wall Street prompt mayor to hose the place down
- A powerful prayer for Penn State
- NY Post: Timberlake says taking blonde corporal to the Marine Ball "changed my life"
- Baseball player rescued from kidnappers: "Thanks to God, He gave me the miracle"
- Amid a cesspool of rumors, charges and scandal, is God speaking to Penn State?
- Washington Post: Evangelical leaders adding sex to their sermons
- Will "Mecca Time" replace Greenwich Mean Time?
- Tennessee preacher holds church service at "Cotton-Eyed Joe" honky-tonk saloon
- Judge orders NY to OK "Choose Life" car tags
- NY Times: 10-foot teen angels stand silent vigil in murder-plagued Juarez
- Family Circus cartoonist Bil Keane brought quiet faith to the daily comics for 50 years
- Miss World 2011: from convent to crown
- Couple's restaurant quarrel goes international, thanks to Twitter
- African leaders cite Christian, Muslim beliefs, tell British to quit pushing immorality
- Ancient Christian ruins in danger
- Egyptian Muslims, Christians reach agreement to ease church repair rules
- Good Samaritan's act saves his life
- Gallup: Fewer Democrats attending church
- 71 tattooed Texas Pentecostal preachers roar up to Israel's Wailing Wall — on Harleys!
- British Conservatives losing Christian voters
- Philippine priest lights a candle in the darkness … and adds smoked fish
- Supreme Court Justice says it's past time to resolve "separation of church and state"
- Muslim: Britain needs to be more Christian
- Popular squirrel checks for fan mail
- Will FDR's D-Day prayer be added to Memorial?
- Study says only 18 percent of Christian kids abandon their faith when they leave home
- After 12 years of praying with kids at flagpole, pastor says offended atheists won't stop him
- What if you wanted to save the world, but could not speak or even feed yourself?
- Lawmaker says prayer saved her life; fights for American students to have freedom to pray
- Obama says God wants jobs legislation
- Catholics fined for 'illegal worship'
- Would they mock Quarterback Tebow's faith if he were Jewish or Muslim … or Buddhist?
- Judges rescind fine for Janet Jackson's Superbowl "wardrobe malfunction"
- "There is a God; He listens to prayer," says sheriff as missing 8-year-old boy is found safe
- Congress confirms: "In God We Trust" is America's official motto
- "Occupy DC" protesters decline job offers
- A 5-year-old's prayer is answered
- Rupert Murdoch adds Thomas Nelson publishers to HarperCollins empire
- Libya's Gadhafi used Jewish contacts to try to patch up relations with the United States
- Israel nabs terrorist leader Hassan Yousef, father of bestselling "Son of Hamas" author
- Feds crack down on church TV shows
- Turkish 'zombies' raise funds for earthquake
- Burma tries to regulate fasting and prayer
- Berlin restaurant caters to cavemen
- World's 7 billionth baby born Monday
- Outrage follows reports teacher, students killed Christian boy over crucifix, tattoo
- Charles Colson: China Bible exhibit a farce
- Doomsday? End of the world? Well, that was embarrassing, admits Harold Camping
- Quit your job … with a musical flair!
- Sexual promiscuity may cause heart attacks
- Now British monarchs may wed Catholics
- Complaint says crosses at Catholic school offensive, prevent Muslim prayers
- 3,000 pray against town's destruction
- Crystal Cathedral picks university as "preferred buyer" in bankruptcy sale
- South Africa bans commercial depicting fallen angels as "offensive to Christians"
- End of the world rescheduled AGAIN!
- And you thought your neighbor's Halloween lawn display was too much …
- Did Earth's magnetic field block Harold Camping's end of the world?
- Polish resistance fighter who sneaked his Jewish girlfriend out of Auschwitz dead at 90
- "Occupy London" forces St. Paul's Cathedral to close, first time since WWII blitz
- Complex disputes may close Mughrabi Bridge walkway giving Jews access to Temple Mount
- Who is this amazingly talented little boy?
- King of Jordan: Israel must be assured of its security
- Washington Post: Will Knights of Columbus have to remove ski slope's Jesus statue?
- Will Libyan democracy, religious freedom flourish now that Gaddafi is gone?
- Couple married 72 years dies an hour apart, holding hands
- "Shakespearean Insult Kit" offers tips on how to be sharp-tongued with class
- Burmese Catholic priest tells of gunfire, raid at church, being forced to carry soldiers' gear
- October 21 comes and goes, world doesn't end, Harold Camping not issuing any statements
- Goddess worshipers cite Barry Lynn, blast Christian prayer campaign for America
- Is it time to impose a church dress code?
- With doomsday deadline looming, Harold Camping's faithful ponder doubts
- Conflicting reports swirl as Iranian Christian pastor condemned to death awaits verdict
- Homosexual kiss at school assembly prompts student walk-out, parental fury
- Researchers discover that kids often start cussing if their role models do
- Orthodox sect livid over ice cream cone lickers
- British media, theaters celebrate 400th anniversary of the King James Bible
- 96-year-old gets baptized at Cowboy church
- Lions, tigers and bears! Town shuts down while hungry animals shot, recaptured
- Why are U.S. Hispanic Catholics joining Pentecostal, Evangelical churches?
- 100-year-old Sikh runs Toronto marathon
- Toddler in hit-and-run lies bleeding in street as 18 passers-by step around her, don't help
- Hundreds of British babies aborted accidentally, according to medical study
- Mexico City considers two-year marriage licenses
- Silent vigil fills Cairo cathedral as Egyptian officials try to blame massacre on the victims
- Saudis underwrite organization to bring world's religions under one roof
- Pakistani police tell family of kidnapped, raped 12-year-old girl to return her to captors
- Teachers told to stay 3 feet from students
- Were the Last Supper's portions healthy?
- NY Times: Churches adding pet ministries
- Directions withdrawn that told schools to push gay issues despite parental objections
- Tear gas fired as mob protests TV station cartoon image of Allah
- All women political candidates must be veiled and silent, says Egyptian politician
- Evangelical, Catholic chaplains say they'll perform no same-sex weddings
- Witchdoctors blamed for epidemic of child sacrifices around African nation's capital
- Christian pastor condemned to death awaits Ayatollah's decision
- Columbian soccer star arrested in Saudi Arabia for failing to cover tattoo of Jesus
- One of Warren Jeffs' 78 wives escapes, describes captivity at FLDS cult
- President says he will veto bill that bans ObamaCare abortion funding
- Survivor of Tiananmen Square massacre tells of return to complacent China
- Iraq's Kurds offer homes to refugee Christians
- Ayn Rand Institute: "Occupy Wall Street" seeks to end capitalism
- State Department reports no churches or Christian schools survive in Afghanistan
- Did N. Korea assassinate activist pastor?
- Pollsters: 75 percent of pastors say Mormons "not Christians"
- Decision on Iranian pastor's execution now up to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei
- Egypt: Hamas will free Israeli soldier held 5 years in trade for 1,000 Palestinian prisoners
- "Courageous" movie-makers like being in the top ten, but say success is "changed lives"
- Peaceful protest sparks deadly riots, opportunity to point accusing fingers
- Is the UN stamping out religious freedom?
- Power of prayer credited for hostage's escape
- Fantasia has "Mahalia" singing the blues
- Tea Partying never was any fun; if you want to make love not war, go Occupy Wall Street
- What do you call a female Episcopal priest who converts to Roman Catholicism?
- From within the "Occupy Wall Street" ranks, a call for a new "confessing movement"
- Nobel Peace Prize goes to Leymah Gbowee, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Tawakkul Karman
- Small-town Tennessee mayor seeks legal help to fight atheist "terrorists"
- Arab nation needs Muslim law, says leader
- Israeli author Yoram Kaniuk wins court battle to be ethnic Jewish, but not religious
- NY Times: Pastor says Romney not a Christian
- Vatican asks bishops to create ministry roles for priests who left to marry
- What is "Chrislam" and who preaches it?
- Go ahead! Smile! It's World Smile Day!
- Muslim expert: Let the pastor go free!
- Tony Blair Tells Norfolk and America: 'Don't Lose Heart'
- Exiled Christian Iranians receive death threats
- Steve Jobs dead at 56; he defied the mediocrity of the corporate model
- The world will end October 21, says Harold Camping … but no billboards this time
- Obama administration tells Supreme Court there should be no "ministerial exception"
- Will there soon be no Catholic priests left in Australia?
- Pat Buchanan in a dour mood, releases audio version of "Suicide of a Superpower"
- Daily Mail: Christmas gone from new "Thomas the Tank Engine" children's cartoon
- Hollywood discovers the public loves inspirational Christian movies
- Students at more than 1,200 schools to participate in October 18 day of silence
- Is Indonesia in danger of becoming another Pakistan?
- Did Jesus also die for Martians and Klingons?
- Kids pray school officials will quit cowering in fear of the American Civil Liberties Union
- Arutz Sheva: Egypt, Qatar promise at Iran meeting to cut off Israel's natural gas
- 300 Buddhist nuns learn self-defense from Kathmandu monastery's kung-fu masters
- Amanda Knox's prayer answered; Italian judge acquits her of murder
- Orange County Register: Crystal Cathedral $50 million fundraiser nets $4,737


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Article posted August 26, 2011 at 04:54 AM GMT0 •
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Whoopsie - I put the Brainy bunch slideshow with the Buddy clay writing! It must be Friday
Article posted August 26, 2011 at 04:43 AM GMT0 •
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What is going on! Where did all that time go - I can't believe it is almost the end of August, and spring is nearly upon us, although I am very glad because I am sick of the cold! One week we are having snow and then the next it is all warm and lovely!!
This week we had a visit to Mokoia Intermediate - and now everyone is so keen to be leaving me We also helped our buddies with making their clay giraffes this week, which went really well. Our big buddies work so nicely with their little buddies - there was lots of cooperating and talking about the giraffe's features, and we all learnt what happens when you add too much water to clay (didn't we Tom :-)
Keep adding to your blog and check the homework blog page - keep adding up those minutes of reading because we will be collating and graphing them NEXT WEEK to find out which group (girls or boys) have been the most avid readers so far this term!!!!!
Article posted May 31, 2011 at 04:47 AM GMT0 •
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WOW! Camp was amazing! I am still feeling exhausted from all the activities we did but boy, was it worth every minute!! Thank you to all of Room 1 and 4, including the parents, who made camp such a raving success despite (or because of) the terrible weather. There are so many highlights for me that I don't know where to begin..... Mostly I just really enjoyed getting out and having some fun with you all that did not involve writing and reading I learnt so much about each of you - and it was lovely to see your sense of humours shining through in such dreary conditions. Thank you everyone. I am just sad that now there is no camp at the end but I am working on an overnight together before the end of the year!!
Article posted May 22, 2011 at 01:41 AM GMT0 •
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Cycle Safety has been and gone! And what a week it has been. We learnt some fantastic skills with Mark and Craig, such as scooting, weaving, braking, stoppee's and most of all - control! That's what it's all about. Congratulations to David, who won the weeks prize from the cycle safety team. He was proudly seen wearing it after school while riding his bike. I even went home and had a try at some of the skills on my bike - can't say I was very good at the 'stoppee'! Cycle Safety was also perfect training for camp with 2 out of 4 days being wet and cold, so I hope you have all got your winter woollies, gloves and hats, ready for next week!!
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Our new buddy class is so cute! They are all new entrants and have turned 5 recently. Some have only been at school 3 days so far. It was great meeting them and learning their names. Room 4 are all excited to share their learning with them this year and will hopefully be able to help them with their reading and maths. We will be able to show them what caring and responsible seniors we are!
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Ahoy there, me hearties!! What a great day this turned out to be. Beautiful weather, great company and so many misfit looking pirates - WICKED! Room 04, you all did a sterling effort on the day, and I was so impressed by the encouragement I saw for one another, and the determined focus I witnessed around the course. Well done to Anjan, for the big finish he put in. I am looking forward to reading your thoughts about the day on your own blog now that they are up and running. Reminder: get someone at home to take a look at your thoughts too, and add a comment to your blog.
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Welcome to our new class for 2011 who will be hanging out in Room 4 with me for the year. It was great meeting families at Meet the Teacher. It is only Week 3 and things are shaping up to be very busy! Remember to keep up with your homework reading each night. Even newspaper articles, blogs and websites count. If you enjoy reading novels, find a quiet space and enjoy a few chapters! We will be getting in to camp fundraising very soon, so keep your eyes and ears posted for things you need to remember to do for this.
Article posted December 5, 2010 at 06:42 AM GMT0 •
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We are in the last leg of 2010, and what a busy time it is shaping up to be. We have baking and making, character masks to finish, personal inquiries to follow, narrative slideshows to add sound to, plays to perform, junior production to see, and an iceblock day to be able to support less fortunate families at christmas. I have added the link to the Oxfam website so that you can all take a look at the kind of things we can support with your generosity. This year's class are such a kind and compassionate bunch... I think our future is in great hands! Take a look and come to school with an idea of what you think would be the most valuable gift to give - remember to think about why..
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Over the last 2 days, it has been a great experience to be involved in the PPP's for your children. They have worked so hard getting prepared and really did themselves proud! It was also great to see all you parents again.
Some of our feelings before: nervous, nerve-wrecking, excited, confident, scared, anxious, and tired.
Some of our feeling after: happy, glad that it was over, good, proud of myself, relieved, great, exhausted, spectacular.
I can't believe that it has almost been a whole year already and I am not ready to give up our lovely wee bunch of kids!!
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Perhaps as a staffer you are immune to the automated welcome? At any rate, welcome to the Vim wiki, and we will know who to contact with any problems! Perhaps you know that Tim Starling is also a Vim user, so you are not alone. Shout (here will do) if you have any Vim problems. This wiki is very quiet, but I hope to return in due course and do some more serious work in cleaning it up. Most of the tips need a lot of fixing, but there are lots of gems, and even basic stuff like searching (and the pages it links to) is worth browsing.
BTW, do you have privileges here? If so, have a look at Special:AbuseFilter for a laugh. There are currently 379 hits since 10 December (and I think only 2 were false positives). JohnBeckett (talk) 11:00, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Hi John,
Thanks for the welcome! (I'm not surprised we're not employing CPU cycles to welcome ourselves ;])
This wiki is pretty awesome indeed and I'll definitely stick around.
May I ask what's the relationship between this project and the main site (vim.org)?
I'd love to help somehow, I've got full rights (WikiaStaff and Wikia utils), that includes enabling/disabling any kind of extensions (also those not available to admins) and as part of Wikia's Engineering I know the platform pretty well.
BTW, you cannot imagine the crazy stuff we get to see in the logs of the "spam wikis" (i.e. wikis created for the sole scope of spamming our network) cron job... XD
Lox federico (talk) 20:59, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
There's some "origin" information at Vim Tips Wiki:About, but I'll add a long note with some details as it may be of interest to you or others in the future. Originally, vim.org (a Sourceforge site) hosted both tips and scripts. Anyone could quickly register and add a tip, and each tip page had an "add comment" feature where anyone could add whatever they liked (it went at the bottom). Only the script author could modify a script page (but it is easy for anyone to become an author and create/maintain their script pages). Vim was and is written by Bram Moolenaar, and Bram likes things to be as open as possible, and the old system worked well for some years. There was a major problem, namely that the tip pages were not editable, and not even the tip author could alter the content. All that was possible was to add a comment at the bottom. The result was that a tip would be created, then some content-free comments would be added, then someone would point out a much better approach, or a bug, or some improvement. There was no way to clean the mess up, and stuff just kept accummulating.
Then the reality of the Internet hit, and around 2007 the spammers got busy. There had been spam problems before, but they were manually cleaned up with difficult manual editing of the PHP source (by changing fields in the MySQL database!). From 2007, it was obvious to everyone that the spammers could not be handled anymore, so Bram disabled the "add comment" feature, and the tips were frozen for some months. However, spammers added new tips with 100% spam, and we were desperate. The vim_use mailing list (for info, click "Community portal" in the sidebar) discussed what to do for months. I gave lots of advice during that time, but did nothing. In those days (early 2007), Wikia was picky, and you had to apply to create a wiki. The founder of this wiki (Tom Purl) was the person from the mailing list discussion who arranged with Wikia (mainly Angela, I think) to create the wiki. Tom didn't have time to do much more than set up a couple of things, but he played that vital role. Then there was several more weeks of discussion of how to copy the tips from vim.org to the wiki, and whether all the junk comments should be copied. Finally, Bastl got tired of waiting for a conclusion to the discussion, and he spent a few days writing Python scripts to scrape vim.org/tips and create wiki pages. Then a few of us got busy trying to clean everything up. It was a complete shambles with many problems. The original imported tips enclosed the tip in a template, with all comments underneath. However, many of the tips use funny punctuation which completely broke the template. Also, Bastl's scripts changed every "@" to "--AT--" because there were a lot of email addresses in the comments. Of course, that broke many tips which used the "@" character. There was more similar stuff. Several people got stuck in and cleaned tips, but it was too hard to do it one at a time, so I wrote some Python to download tips to a local computer, where I was able to edit the wikitext in Vim, doing bulk changes. Another script uploaded them (after checking that no edits had occurred while I had been working). After a year or two, and the work of lots of people, the tips reached a "clean" state where nearly all junk comments (and all spam) had been removed, and template/punctuation problems fixed. Then a few of us stayed on to try to fix the tip content by removing obsolete or misguided material, and merging helpful suggestions. Just fixing blatantly bad tip titles (info) took ages, and that's after fixing titles which originally had invalid punctuation.
Bram is very happy that someone else (us) gets to worry about the tips now, and he has no real interest in what happens here because he has to devote his time to maintaining Vim. The original vim.org/tips pages were lost when the Sourceforge system crashed and no good backup was available (each of the old tips was read-only, and had a link to the corresponding page here). There is now just one page which links here (http://www.vim.org/tips/).
The vim.org/scripts pages still operate (and I occasionally have to remove spam from there by executing SQL delete statements). Each vim.org/scripts page links to a page for comments on this wiki (Bram did that). For example, see the "Vim wiki" link at the top of script 2981 which links to Script:2981.
Apart from me, we have Fritzophrenic and Chrisbra as active admins, but we're all pretty busy and not doing much work here at the moment. JohnBeckett (talk) 06:40, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the in-depth look into the wiki's origins.
So my understanding is that the current "mission" is to cleanup and review the tips with the main goal to remove those that aren't working anymore?
Is there any other initiative going on on the wiki (random examples from the top of my head: reworking the navigation, switching to using Wikia's comments/forums instead of the manual "comments" section in each page, use GeSHI for adding syntax highlighting to vimscript snippets, prepare different portals for different users levels like beginner, intermediate, advanced linked to relevant stuff)?
I'd be happy to contribute somehow.
Lox federico (talk) 17:19, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
That's right, we want to clean up or merge as many tips as possible. We'll probably never get that finished, but my hope is that we would fix the core content (what a Vim user should know), and leave esoteric stuff for the far future.
There are some useful ideas at Vim Tips Wiki:Todo, which I put roughly in order with the most achievable or desirable first. The new tips issue mentioned there is a pressing problem. I occasionally get a burst of energy and time and fix a couple of months, but I got stalled with some important tips which are a shambles and which need a lot of cleaning up. We like to only accept a new tip if it really is new. Often new tips should be merged into existing tips (we generally merge so that the final tip ends up on the lowest tip number, that is, the first on the topic), and that is what stalled me. I have a lot of nearly finished work on my computer where I've looked at a dozen tips on a particular topic and have nearly worked out what I want to do to merge them. I hate promoting a new tip to a "permanent" tip when I know that the material should be treated on another page. Apart from the tidiness of merging, the real problem with keeping every tip is that the duplication makes finding useful information very difficult.
There is a tension between merging all related information into one gigantic tip (everything in one place), and the benefit of having short and digestible tips (short tips are more readable and useful).
If you feel inclined, any progress with new tips would be good, but you probably should ignore difficult cases, and look for reasonably simple stuff to start. We avoid deleting new and old tips unless they are quite unhelpful, preferring to make them a redirect to some earlier tip roughly on the same topic. That helps preserve incoming links to avoid irritating readers, and is kinder to the author.
We have used GeSHi (see CSV for example), but we're not really sure how useful it is. We use lots of
<pre>...</pre> (putting the tags on their own lines to make working on the wikitext easier), and that is more legible and seems good for a few lines.
Portals might be useful in the future, but the essential problem now is that we lack useful advice in a lot of areas (see vimrc which is linked from a hundred tips). It would be good to have a series of tips for beginners to show them what to do, and to that end we have Category:Getting started. Cleaning up or expanding tips in that category would be good. When in a reasonable state, we could work out how to promote the category and make it easier to find/use (perhaps a list that might go on one of: New to Vim or Vim IRC FAQ or Quick tips).
Navigation is tricky. Do you mean something like categories in concept but which is easier for non-wiki readers, or do you mean the two lines at the top of each tip which give the tip number and the fairly useless previous/next links, with some often obsolete info about the author/status? Any ideas would be good, but you might not get much enthusiasm from me until we are able to link to useful advice. JohnBeckett (talk) 07:24, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
Hey, sorry for the late reply :)
Re: Navigation, what I meant is both categorization and refreshing the navigation bar at the top of the page (the one which currently hold "on this wiki", "community portal" and "todo", with the last two being empty sub-menues).
Concerning the "starter guide", I'd be happy to work on that if you guys don't mind as I'm learning now and know pretty well what a beginner would be searching for.
Let me know. Lox federico (talk) 14:58, February 14, 2013 (UTC)


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There are many ways parents can help instill a love of reading in young children.
Reading, talking, and singing to your baby are the first steps toward literacy.
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