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 [link]   [comments]t3_k8qye2011-09-08T12:30:28+00:00don't know if mind blown or not.

There is an amazing amount of pseudo intellectual bullshit being said in this thread.

t1_c2id6802011-09-08T15:34:52+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not.

I'm waiting for Deepak Chopra to jump in.

t1_c2idum72011-09-08T16:55:56+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/googooga_joobhttp://www.reddit.com/user/googooga_joob

pfft...pseudo. go back to college, college boy

t1_c2igf9e2011-09-08T21:43:00+00:00/u/googooga_joob on don't know if mind blown or not.

okay :(

t1_c2igj1w2011-09-08T21:56:05+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/AllOfTheIszhttp://www.reddit.com/user/AllOfTheIsz

This is the rally cry of the ignorant. "I don't understand this! Therefor it is a mockery of what is real!"

We live in a universe of motion and space, if you choose to make time of it, you may. That does not make time objective.

t1_c2ighfl2011-09-08T21:50:39+00:00/u/AllOfTheIsz on don't know if mind blown or not./u/trumannhttp://www.reddit.com/user/trumann

We live in a universe of motion and space, if you choose to make time of it, you may. That does not make time objective.

That doesn't make any sense.

t1_c2ii84u2011-09-09T01:33:41+00:00/u/trumann on don't know if mind blown or not./u/customconcernhttp://www.reddit.com/user/customconcern

But it sounds pretty, doesn't it?

t1_c2ijn7d2011-09-09T04:41:30+00:00/u/customconcern on don't know if mind blown or not./u/admiralwaffleshttp://www.reddit.com/user/admiralwaffles

This is akin to saying, "Distance doesn't exist; rulers exist." It makes no sense, and it's pseudo-philosophy. Time most certainly exists, with or without clocks.

Hopefully your mind is back together now.

t1_c2ic8s42011-09-08T13:15:23+00:00/u/admiralwaffles on don't know if mind blown or not.

But I'm a Tralfamadorian.

t1_c2ics9v2011-09-08T14:43:02+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/elprimo84http://www.reddit.com/user/elprimo84

So it goes.

t1_c2ih2g72011-09-08T23:01:37+00:00/u/elprimo84 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/JayZeushttp://www.reddit.com/user/JayZeus

Can someone go there and spraypaint what admiralwaffles said?

t1_c2icm8f2011-09-08T14:19:07+00:00/u/JayZeus on don't know if mind blown or not./u/FourMakesTwoUNLESShttp://www.reddit.com/user/FourMakesTwoUNLESS

That's too long but I'll go spraypaint the link to his comment, brb

t1_c2ie6ef2011-09-08T17:32:07+00:00/u/FourMakesTwoUNLESS on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Wakasaki_Rockyhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Wakasaki_Rocky

Maybe spay paint one of those new Data Matrix codes?

t1_c2ig1dw2011-09-08T20:58:20+00:00/u/Wakasaki_Rocky on don't know if mind blown or not./u/FourMakesTwoUNLESShttp://www.reddit.com/user/FourMakesTwoUNLESS

Luckily I haven't left yet, I was feeding my cat. Great idea. I just made stencil of it, going now brb.

t1_c2ig3jd2011-09-08T21:05:06+00:00/u/FourMakesTwoUNLESS on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Denim_cutoffshttp://www.reddit.com/user/Denim_cutoffs

so, how many of you scanned it?

t1_c2ih1zk2011-09-08T22:59:58+00:00/u/Denim_cutoffs on don't know if mind blown or not./u/CoughSyruphttp://www.reddit.com/user/CoughSyrup

Could you post the results of the scan for us?

t1_c2iidgk2011-09-09T01:52:50+00:00/u/CoughSyrup on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Raindriphttp://www.reddit.com/user/Raindrip

My scan read it as:

This is akin to saying, "Distance doesn't exist; rulers exist." It makes no sense, and it's pseudo-philosophy. Time most certainly exists, with or without cloDEMO

t1_c2iknbr2011-09-09T08:07:11+00:00/u/Raindrip on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Aquanaut38http://www.reddit.com/user/Aquanaut38

Come back later after a large dose of LSD.

t1_c2ie35v2011-09-08T17:21:59+00:00/u/Aquanaut38 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Gangringohttp://www.reddit.com/user/Gangringo

The Sisko explained linear time better than I ever could.

t1_c2ifqyw2011-09-08T20:25:16+00:00/u/Gangringo on don't know if mind blown or not./u/ClampingNomadshttp://www.reddit.com/user/ClampingNomads

Not exactly. With a ruler, you can compare one piece of space ("extension") to another, so the measurement has meaning in terms of what it is measuring.

A clock is a mechanical device, which we assume provides a correlation between time periods by virtue of its consistency, as it appears to us. You cannot directly compare one "extent" of time with another, in the way that you can with space, because of either the nature of time itself, or our limited conception of it.

See Henri Bergson The Creative Mind for further details.

BTW none of that implies that there is no such thing as time. I'm just pointing out that we don't measure it in the same way as space.

t1_c2ig05n2011-09-08T20:54:16+00:00/u/ClampingNomads on don't know if mind blown or not./u/rejuven8http://www.reddit.com/user/rejuven8

Space is relative as distance is. Turns out it's easier for us to imagine flexible time because of the subjective experience of it. To flex space, we need to introduce a lot of speed.

t1_c2igqs92011-09-08T22:21:58+00:00/u/rejuven8 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/trumannhttp://www.reddit.com/user/trumann

Can't stopwatches be used to measure time?

t1_c2ii8gb2011-09-09T01:34:52+00:00/u/trumann on don't know if mind blown or not./u/ClampingNomadshttp://www.reddit.com/user/ClampingNomads

Er... yes, same principle as a clock, see above! A mechanical clock makes the point appear clearer; same principle applies to digital watches, atomic clocks, sundials or egg timers.

Point is: you can't directly compare one piece of time to another, the way you can with measurements of space.

t1_c2iks8t2011-09-09T08:53:37+00:00/u/ClampingNomads on don't know if mind blown or not.

Correctness doesn't exist

Reddit comments that appear to be correct exist

t1_c2ig8jz2011-09-08T21:21:23+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/MarzAttackshttp://www.reddit.com/user/MarzAttacks

But like, time is an illusion, man. We're all just brains in vats.

t1_c2ieykw2011-09-08T18:58:45+00:00/u/MarzAttacks on don't know if mind blown or not./u/judokalinkerhttp://www.reddit.com/user/judokalinker

Reddit loves that "deep" crap that doesnt mean shit.

t1_c2ieuto2011-09-08T18:47:27+00:00/u/judokalinker on don't know if mind blown or not./u/thevoidhttp://www.reddit.com/user/thevoid

People in general do. There are people on reddit.

t1_c2ifmcl2011-09-08T20:10:47+00:00/u/thevoid on don't know if mind blown or not.

No, there's just me and that other guy, and he's really obsessed with fooling me.

t1_c2ifwdm2011-09-08T20:42:47+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/greatkeplersghosthttp://www.reddit.com/user/greatkeplersghost

Don't worry. I'm not trying to fool you. It's the other guy on here that I'm after, you're fine.

t1_c2igc7l2011-09-08T21:33:03+00:00/u/greatkeplersghost on don't know if mind blown or not./u/LeviathanTechhttp://www.reddit.com/user/LeviathanTech

Time certainly exists, but it's possible that it doesn't exist in the way that we perceive it at all (ie, the passage or "flow" of time). Imagine time as a dense sphere that we are suspended in. The sphere contains all the energy of the universe, and as our position in the sphere changes, so too does our perspective of everything around us. The energy still exists there in an unchanged state, it is only our perception of it that changes because of our relative position in the timeline, or rather "timesphere". Some say irregular time travel is possible; others say only "time viewing" is possible (I believe Einstein was one of those people). In this model, time travel and time viewing are really one and the same, as it is the travel itself that changes our view. In reality we are travelling through both time and space constantly; the only difference between the two is that we are not in control of how we travel through time. If someone was in control, and were simply to move back to a position they had been in previously, they would see the world exactly as they had before, thus rendering our concept of time meaningless.

Of course, because of our own shortcomings no one really knows how to do this. Or do they? How would you know if they did?

Disclaimer: This was written completely off the cuff by me, in a matter of minutes. It is not meant to be a bullet-proof theory of how time actually works, merely an example of how it could exist in an entirely different way than we think it does.

t1_c2id7ak2011-09-08T15:38:36+00:00/u/LeviathanTech on don't know if mind blown or not./u/4g3ntf4uxp4uhttp://www.reddit.com/user/4g3ntf4uxp4u

Some other folks said or alluded to it, but time only exists with an observer.

t1_c2ie6t12011-09-08T17:33:24+00:00/u/4g3ntf4uxp4u on don't know if mind blown or not.

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t1_c2ie7j32011-09-08T17:35:46+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/4g3ntf4uxp4uhttp://www.reddit.com/user/4g3ntf4uxp4u

Wow, that was a half baked thought. I should have more coffee before talking with the adults.

t1_c2iefhb2011-09-08T18:00:06+00:00/u/4g3ntf4uxp4u on don't know if mind blown or not./u/kilo4funhttp://www.reddit.com/user/kilo4fun

Thankfully, in physics, an "observer" or "measurement" is technically any interaction between particles/energy.

t1_c2ifzc32011-09-08T20:51:48+00:00/u/kilo4fun on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Scadillahttp://www.reddit.com/user/Scadilla

Assuming we are the only observers: what happened between the big bang and us? Magic?

t1_c2ietsl2011-09-08T18:44:15+00:00/u/Scadilla on don't know if mind blown or not./u/4g3ntf4uxp4uhttp://www.reddit.com/user/4g3ntf4uxp4u

Presumably.

t1_c2ifkcn2011-09-08T20:04:05+00:00/u/4g3ntf4uxp4u on don't know if mind blown or not./u/gustoidhttp://www.reddit.com/user/gustoid

You can move backwards and forward over distance, but not time.

t1_c2icqhh2011-09-08T14:36:08+00:00/u/gustoid on don't know if mind blown or not./u/sleepingdragonhttp://www.reddit.com/user/sleepingdragon

Just because we humans can't travel through time doesn't really mean anything.

t1_c2idghs2011-09-08T16:09:11+00:00/u/sleepingdragon on don't know if mind blown or not./u/chadulhttp://www.reddit.com/user/chadul

Aren't we traveling through time presently?

t1_c2idkgt2011-09-08T16:22:26+00:00/u/chadul on don't know if mind blown or not.

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t1_c2ie0c12011-09-08T17:13:31+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/therewontberiotshttp://www.reddit.com/user/therewontberiots

Actually, you can slow the rate to which you move through time. See Special and General relativity.

t1_c2ifr4e2011-09-08T20:25:43+00:00/u/therewontberiots on don't know if mind blown or not./u/TrainOfThought6http://www.reddit.com/user/TrainOfThought6

You don't willingly move through space either. A force pushes you. Sometimes you can control that force, sometimes you can't.

t1_c2ie5mf2011-09-08T17:29:27+00:00/u/TrainOfThought6 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/iarfornerhttp://www.reddit.com/user/iarforner

Yeah... the whole 'sometimes' part? That makes a big difference...

t1_c2ie6p02011-09-08T17:33:04+00:00/u/iarforner on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Russzhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Russz

When can you control it?

t1_c2ii9z32011-09-09T01:40:27+00:00/u/Russz on don't know if mind blown or not./u/pifarmhttp://www.reddit.com/user/pifarm

Actually it kind of does, just as traveling really really really fast would cause problems, traveling through time at different rates that are not our perception would cause problems.

The ideas of time paradoxes are of course if we live in a single universe reality. If there are unlimited universes with everything happening, time travel would not create paradoxes and such because then you are not really time traveling, you are universe traveling.

t1_c2ifhus2011-09-08T19:56:44+00:00/u/pifarm on don't know if mind blown or not./u/rpadhttp://www.reddit.com/user/rpad

There is no information on the state of the universe at certain point in time. If you wanted to travel back in time, you would had to "reverse" the laws of the physics to work the processes backwards exactly. Since everything has influence on everything else in the universe, you would have to rewind the processes of the whole universe.

t1_c2ieof12011-09-08T18:27:20+00:00/u/rpad on don't know if mind blown or not.

The only physical law that requires a directionality of time is the law of increasing entropy, and it is not understood why this is. No other physical law is broken by hitting the rewind button. Theoretically, if not for entropy, a bunch of vibrations in the air and floor could cause a dropped egg to fly back onto the counter and become whole again. No physical laws broken. All other laws are completely reversible.

t1_c2ifkdn2011-09-08T20:04:11+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Rappaccinihttp://www.reddit.com/user/Rappaccini

The way I see it, entropy isn't a "force" that we can remove from the equation. It's the epiphenomenon that results from brownian motion, gravity, the Pauli exclusion principle, and other aspects of diffusion. It's in the nature of energy to be unstable and a relative lack of energy to be stabler. Entropy is the statistical result of stability being more common than instability.

t1_c2ihpc12011-09-09T00:24:12+00:00/u/Rappaccini on don't know if mind blown or not.

I like this explanation!

t1_c2ii9h72011-09-09T01:38:44+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/cyril0http://www.reddit.com/user/cyril0

Yes it does, if we can't perceive it we have no way of measuring it, therefor there is no reason to believe this is real. We move only forward through time. Physicists are starting to believe that time is a byproduct of entropy and not a phenomenon in and of itself. The second is now established as 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of caesium-133. Therefor seconds are actually measured in terms sum of distances travelled by this atom in each oscillation, and so in meters.

t1_c2ihjoy2011-09-09T00:03:45+00:00/u/cyril0 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Space_Poethttp://www.reddit.com/user/Space_Poet

Distance and time are two different dimensions and hence have different rules.

t1_c2ifebq2011-09-08T19:46:19+00:00/u/Space_Poet on don't know if mind blown or not.

He's saying that something doesn't exist if we don't observe it. It's the exact same as "if a tree falls in a forest and no one's there to hear it does it make a sound?". Is that pseudo-philosophy? It means the same thing.

Please don't discredit people's philosophies to feel smarter than them.

t1_c2ifpts2011-09-08T20:21:46+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/admiralwaffleshttp://www.reddit.com/user/admiralwaffles

The answer to that riddle is unequivocally, "Yes." And yes, it's pseudo-philosophy. It sounds deep and thoughtful, but really, it just ignores reality. Our friends at Wikipedia say:

Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. It is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument. The word "philosophy" comes from the Greek φιλοσοφία (philosophia), which literally means "love of wisdom".

It's the search for the truth. Stating something like, "Time doesn't exist; clocks exist" is pseudo-philosophy: It's making a statement intended to be deep and meaningful, but it asked no critical questions to get to that point. Why doesn't time exist? If time doesn't exist, why am I getting older? Why can we measure it? None of those questions arise. If you make statements declaring some metaphysical truth without critical thinking or rational argument behind it, it is, by definition pseudo-philosophy. It's whimsy trying to masquerade as philosophy, but it falls well short.

This has nothing to do with superiority. I don't need to feel smarter than random people on the internet. I'm happy to educate where I can and learn where I can't. In this case, I could, so I did.

t1_c2ih2nr2011-09-08T23:02:21+00:00/u/admiralwaffles on don't know if mind blown or not.

It's not supposed to be a fact, it's supposed to be a statement that makes the reader question his reality. I don't think you understand what philosophy is.

Out of curiosity, please analyse the following assorted quotes and inform us as to whether they are genuine valid philosophy or pseudo-philosophy, please also include your reasoning:

The Messiah won't come until we don't need him anymore

Honesty comes from fear?

There's nothing in me but a body and a soul

As far as men go, it is not what they are that interests me, but what they can become.

Now that that don't kill me can only make me stronger

Don't give someone disrespect just cause they think different

Be who you are

Music is everything

If you want to be quiet, you need something to say

There are not facts, only interpretations

t1_c2iho322011-09-09T00:19:34+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/SubtleMockeryhttp://www.reddit.com/user/SubtleMockery

Wat? He just defined what philosphy is.

t1_c2ikg5j2011-09-09T07:13:25+00:00/u/SubtleMockery on don't know if mind blown or not.

He took Wikipedia's definition of philosophy and then paid absolutely no attention to it. He pretty much said "here is the definition of philosopy. Even though the definition said nothing about asking questions, philosophy totally always involved asked questions. Also this is not philosophy."

t1_c2ionxc2011-09-09T19:34:48+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/darthvaliumhttp://www.reddit.com/user/darthvalium

The answer to that riddle is unequivocally (whatever that means) "No!". Here is why: What our brains process as sound is not the same thing as soundwaves (obviously). When a tree falls it will move the air around it. But only when this moving air hits an eardrum that is connected to a functioning brain synapses will somehow create the perception of "sound". You can, in all seriousness, not argue that the brain's perception of sound is the same as soundwaves and that sound exists when noone is there to hear it. It is just moving air. Sound is a concept bound to perception.

Words (at least mine) can't really express what time is if you substract the human consciousness observing it, but just shrugging 2000 years of radical constructivism off as pseudophilosophy is lazy imo.

t1_c2il1zn2011-09-09T10:40:21+00:00/u/darthvalium on don't know if mind blown or not./u/NeverStopPostinghttp://www.reddit.com/user/NeverStopPosting

Time does not exist. We are not "travelling" through time, there is only the here and now and that is all there will ever be.

t1_c2icot72011-09-08T14:29:40+00:00/u/NeverStopPosting on don't know if mind blown or not./u/gracenoteshttp://www.reddit.com/user/gracenotes

The universe was created fourteen and a half seconds ago; everything you think happened before that is false memories and preprogrammed emotions.

t1_c2id51q2011-09-08T15:30:45+00:00/u/gracenotes on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Kryshenhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Kryshen

Irrelevant, like most of the obnoxious veil of perception thought experiments. YOU'RE DREAMING

t1_c2ii7q82011-09-09T01:32:17+00:00/u/Kryshen on don't know if mind blown or not./u/gracenoteshttp://www.reddit.com/user/gracenotes

I'm not too interested in the idea in context of perception. More in the sociological idea that people construct life narratives, and therefore social identities, based on suppositions about the nature of time. In the thought experiment, that process exists even if time doesn't flow, linear and ever-present, from beginning to end.

A practice in psychology, I believe, is to reconstruct life narratives in people with brain damage and dissociative conditions, i.e. make up memories, in order to provide them with a stable identity. The film Dark City explores a related concept.

t1_c2ik3y62011-09-09T05:59:46+00:00/u/gracenotes on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Kryshenhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Kryshen

Movie would be torrenting, but I can't find a torrent for it. I'm very curious though, it sounds fascinating.

It's an interesting concept, but I fail to see how that could occur if time doesn't flow. Any action must have a frame of time. Unless you mean time is not linear, in which case sure.

Also, of course people's social identity is based on the perception of time. Important memories take up a gratuitously larger amount of time than unimportant ones.

What inspired you to respond to the first post with that thought experiment?

t1_c2irlb72011-09-10T02:11:04+00:00/u/Kryshen on don't know if mind blown or not.

We exist in the moment, yet the passage of time is observable and quantifiable outside of the human body.

t1_c2icxnq2011-09-08T15:03:49+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/warnmirhttp://www.reddit.com/user/warnmir

Can you please provide an example of how we observe and quantify time?

t1_c2idswj2011-09-08T16:50:15+00:00/u/warnmir on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Peter-Whttp://www.reddit.com/user/Peter-W

Time moves at different speeds depending on your velocity.

t1_c2idxrn2011-09-08T17:05:37+00:00/u/Peter-W on don't know if mind blown or not.

Weathering.

t1_c2ieicm2011-09-08T18:08:52+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not.

That's idiotic.

edit: to the downvoters -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

So yes, what I responded to was an idiotic statement in no way based in reality. The comment I responded to was less valid than the miasma theory of disease or the idea that the heavens orbit the earth.

t1_c2id74e2011-09-08T15:38:01+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Smap_dihttp://www.reddit.com/user/Smap_di

As the seconds tick away, I do travel through time. Time exists whether you live by moments(memory) or seconds(clocktime)

t1_c2id96t2011-09-08T15:45:07+00:00/u/Smap_di on don't know if mind blown or not./u/rpadhttp://www.reddit.com/user/rpad

"Time" as such does not exists. There only exists an instability and the permission in the laws of physics that things are allowed to change. The basic changes build up to higher processes. The chemical processes in you make you perceive it as time. In a way everything in the universe is just a clock, but there is no time which would drive the clocks, the physical instability in the clocks themselves is driving them.

t1_c2iejfh2011-09-08T18:12:04+00:00/u/rpad on don't know if mind blown or not.

Entropy adds time to the equation. When we know that everything is falling apart we know that everything will be different later than it is right now. Time most certainly exists.

t1_c2icxm62011-09-08T15:03:39+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/twinkiehousehttp://www.reddit.com/user/twinkiehouse

Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Though we perceive things differently using objective consciousness, all continues to exist forever.

t1_c2icyhz2011-09-08T15:07:00+00:00/u/twinkiehouse on don't know if mind blown or not./u/heywire84http://www.reddit.com/user/heywire84

Stop downvoting queek. Entropy as a physical phenomenon exists. Look it the fuck up. On an astronomical timescale, everything that is will no longer exist.

t1_c2idtjh2011-09-08T16:52:29+00:00/u/heywire84 on don't know if mind blown or not.

Science is real.

t1_c2igdrh2011-09-08T21:38:10+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/ondrahttp://www.reddit.com/user/ondra

Time doesn't depend on entropy, actually.

t1_c2id8mq2011-09-08T15:43:17+00:00/u/ondra on don't know if mind blown or not.

What does it depend on?

t1_c2idi3t2011-09-08T16:14:41+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/shawa666http://www.reddit.com/user/shawa666

If Now was the only existing timeframe possible, all that was built, created or expressed before now would cease to exist.

t1_c2idz7h2011-09-08T17:10:03+00:00/u/shawa666 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/victimized_beta_malehttp://www.reddit.com/user/victimized_beta_male

..Why? Those buildings out there exist now, they existed before in other nows, too. If you go back far enough, there's a now wherein they didn't exist. Now is the only perspective possible as of yet for humans, just because we can observe these things that existed before now and recall our history doesn't mean there's anything outside of now as far as humans are concerned.

t1_c2ie97n2011-09-08T17:41:01+00:00/u/victimized_beta_male on don't know if mind blown or not./u/sciencebumhttp://www.reddit.com/user/sciencebum

Now is the only time that Doesn't exist. My senses detect now, but they are just impulses. My mind reasons, and can prove understanding of the past and future. I can reason when the sun will rise, and the universe will comply, and I can remember where I parked my car, and sure enough it will be there. I only exist outside of now. When I meditate I am battling my mind to stay "in the now." But you can't. As soon as it's now, it's not.

t1_c2ief4c2011-09-08T17:59:00+00:00/u/sciencebum on don't know if mind blown or not./u/victimized_beta_malehttp://www.reddit.com/user/victimized_beta_male

Well, sure.

t1_c2iehhf2011-09-08T18:06:14+00:00/u/victimized_beta_male on don't know if mind blown or not./u/littlelondonboyhttp://www.reddit.com/user/littlelondonboy

Your senses actually 'detect' what happened around 0.05 - 0.1 seconds ago. Your brain just pieces all this information together into a seemingly continuous montage of sound, images and sensations that we in turn dub 'reality'.

t1_c2ieod32011-09-08T18:27:09+00:00/u/littlelondonboy on don't know if mind blown or not./u/kilo4funhttp://www.reddit.com/user/kilo4fun

You know those "other nows" you're talking about? Those define the passage of time. Ultimately, everything we can know about is bounded by our human understanding, and is all that really materially matters to us. Therefore, claiming something exists or doesn't exist outside of our experience is pointless.

t1_c2ifymp2011-09-08T20:49:36+00:00/u/kilo4fun on don't know if mind blown or not./u/sideoushttp://www.reddit.com/user/sideous

Yeah. It's just a high school grade philosophical statement about how time is a man made concept.

I used to have friends who would spout that same crap to me. Time by any other name (even none at all) still marches on. So we named it, big deal we don't have any control over it.

t1_c2if2tn2011-09-08T19:11:51+00:00/u/sideous on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Hello-Universehttp://www.reddit.com/user/Hello-Universe

But... we can prove distance exists by traveling distances. We cannot travel time, it is only theory...

edit: never mind I'm traveling into the future right now.

t1_c2if7bk2011-09-08T19:25:21+00:00/u/Hello-Universe on don't know if mind blown or not./u/cleanstarthttp://www.reddit.com/user/cleanstart

No you're not travelling into the future, you're stuck in the present.

t1_c2ii4kw2011-09-09T01:20:52+00:00/u/cleanstart on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Hello-Universehttp://www.reddit.com/user/Hello-Universe

No. As I speak, my words resonate through your mind and as your mind processes them you are processing something I typed or said several nanoseconds in the past. The present me, the one who spoke or typed these words, is now in the future.

t1_c2ikjgi2011-09-09T07:37:07+00:00/u/Hello-Universe on don't know if mind blown or not./u/rakomadhttp://www.reddit.com/user/rakomad

Time it self does not exist. It is Spacetime that exist.

t1_c2ifody2011-09-08T20:17:21+00:00/u/rakomad on don't know if mind blown or not./u/fistfullaberrieshttp://www.reddit.com/user/fistfullaberries

True, but humans do have a distorted sense of time. Peep this.

t1_c2ifphc2011-09-08T20:20:42+00:00/u/fistfullaberries on don't know if mind blown or not./u/FormerContrahttp://www.reddit.com/user/FormerContra

There is quite a bit of difference. For instance, the Australian Aboriginal people had no words for time, and therefore they could not comprehend the idea of past and present. Once you get into space, time really is all in your head.

t1_c2igzm42011-09-08T22:52:03+00:00/u/FormerContra on don't know if mind blown or not.

But time and distance are both relative to perspective and the tools used for measurement. It's not really philosophy either way; it's actually very scientific.

t1_c2ih31g2011-09-08T23:03:41+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/somewherespecialhttp://www.reddit.com/user/somewherespecial

It doesn't make sense to YOU. To me, it makes perfect sense. You interpret it and dismiss it in your own way.

t1_c2ihyae2011-09-09T00:57:47+00:00/u/somewherespecial on don't know if mind blown or not./u/bestbiffhttp://www.reddit.com/user/bestbiff

It's funny when graffiti fails to be profound.

t1_c2iibgn2011-09-09T01:45:40+00:00/u/bestbiff on don't know if mind blown or not./u/darthvaliumhttp://www.reddit.com/user/darthvalium

Most of the comments point this out. But this is not entirely pseudophilosophy imo. What if you substract human consciousness with a perception of the passage of time?

I think the question is somewhat similar to the question whether a falling tree is making a sound when nobody listens. You might argue that soundwaves are independent from brains, but they are not. Without a brain processing them, they are not sound they are just moving air. You can not argue that soundwaves and what we perceive as sounds are the same. Sound is just what our brain makes of moving air hitting against our eardrums. And that is a completely different thing.

Time is a little different and harder to grasp, I admit that. But still time is a human concept built on the basis of our cognitive abilities.

People here argue that this is pseudophilosophy and cite Einstein. But it was Einstein who shattered the traditional concept of time by declaring it "relative to the observer". If that doesn't prove that time is constituted by perception what does?

t1_c2il0w02011-09-09T10:27:47+00:00/u/darthvalium on don't know if mind blown or not./u/admiralwaffleshttp://www.reddit.com/user/admiralwaffles

I'll respond to you because you seem to be polite. I want to focus on your last two paragraphs, and then we'll come back to the first two.

Time is a little different and harder to grasp, I admit that. But still time is a human concept built on the basis of our cognitive abilities.

People here argue that this is pseudophilosophy and cite Einstein. But it was Einstein who shattered the traditional concept of time by declaring it "relative to the observer". If that doesn't prove that time is constituted by perception what does?

An observer in special relativity is simply the inertial frame of reference of an object. More here. It's not an actual person--just an atom or object which has a frame of reference (not that this does not mean consciousness. Without human observation, stars will still age, galaxies will take millions of years to form and be destroyed, and time will go on. There were 4 billion years on Earth alone where humans couldn't observe time, but it still went by.

Time is a very real thing. We cannot stop it and we cannot ignore it. It's not something we came up with to make our lives easier. Measuring time is arbitrary and something we came up with. A lot of questions here revolve around "floating in space," as if time doesn't exist off of Earth. Time most certainly exists, and you can see things moving, so that a planet or star that was there one minute is gone the next. The use you may have for our measurement units (seconds, hours, etc) may be limited, but that doesn't mean that time ceases to exist. If that were the case, everything would be frozen. You would have no elapsing of time what so ever, and therefore could not travel any distance (velocity is a function of distance over time).

Even at the speed of light, time exists. It takes over 8 minutes for the light to hit the Earth from the sun. How could that be possible without the existence of time?

As for your first two paragraphs, you make the same mistake by defining the thing with the measurement of said thing. Sound is sound is sound. If you have vibrating media, it's sound. Sorry. We measure sound with our ears or membranes attached to coil and magnets, but that doesn't take away the fact that it's creating sound.

We humans are not nearly as important as you give us credit for. We do not control the universe, nor do we justify its existence. Just because something does not have a human observer does not mean that it doesn't exist. That was the case before we arrived on this planet and will be the case long after we've departed.

t1_c2ilit32011-09-09T12:57:20+00:00/u/admiralwaffles on don't know if mind blown or not./u/darthvaliumhttp://www.reddit.com/user/darthvalium

I won't pretend to know enough about Einstein's theory of relativity to argue about that. But I never said humans control the universe with their perception. You seem to have missed my point. I am trying to say that all our knowledge about the universe is "filtered" by our perceptive abilities.

Since wikipedia has my point covered spot on I just quote:

Constructivism criticizes objectivism, which embraces the belief that a human can come to know external reality (the reality that exists beyond one's own mind). Constructivism holds the opposite view, that the only reality we can know is that which is represented by human thought [...]. Reality is independent of human thought, but meaning or knowledge is always a human construction.

The op's message "Time doesn't exist. Clocks exist" is imo an expression of a constructivist perspective. This may be an interpretation of the phrase on my part. But constructivism as such is by no means an obscure pseudophilosophy. It is naive realism that is obsolete in epistemology (although naive realism still is the standard viewpoint for most).

t1_c2ingl62011-09-09T17:19:05+00:00/u/darthvalium on don't know if mind blown or not./u/specofdusthttp://www.reddit.com/user/specofdust

It is most certainly not pseudo-philosophy. Antiphon, Parmenides, McTaggart, and the non-institutional physicist Julian Barbour all critique time in a serious philosophical (and in the last case, also physical) manner.

It makes plenty sense to declare that time does not exist. Rulers measure distance, clocks measure change. Change is not necessarily the same as time.

t1_c2isywp2011-09-10T06:00:26+00:00/u/specofdust on don't know if mind blown or not./u/shaggoramahttp://www.reddit.com/user/shaggorama

This is almost word for word exactly what I came here to post.

t1_c2iebxv2011-09-08T17:49:10+00:00/u/shaggorama on don't know if mind blown or not.

Distance is relative to velocity, so you could argue that it doesn't exist. And no one is really sure if time does in fact, exist. A photon experiences neither time nor distance. Everything is instantaneous.

t1_c2ifa2j2011-09-08T19:33:33+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/worldsayshihttp://www.reddit.com/user/worldsayshi

it's pseudo-philosophy

Really? I would say it's as much philosophy as "Maybe when you look at green you actually see red?" is philosophy. Or properties doesn't exist, matter do. "Redness doesn't exist but red chairs does. Red is just a value given from measurement."

It's kind of a metaphysical question. So indeed some philosophers would say it's a meaningless question. I would say that such questions doesn't really have any significant impact on how we should face/act on reality (but rather how we use our language) so in that context I would agree to such statements being pointless.

t1_c2ifhs52011-09-08T19:56:32+00:00/u/worldsayshi on don't know if mind blown or not.

TIME IS A CONSPIRICY WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

t1_c2idbc92011-09-08T15:52:17+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Authorityhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Authority

It's not time to wake up yet.

t1_c2igryy2011-09-08T22:26:00+00:00/u/Authority on don't know if mind blown or not.

Well, it;s more like a ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey...stuff.

t1_c2id8zp2011-09-08T15:44:29+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/dmbrown41http://www.reddit.com/user/dmbrown41

There's a reason this was scribbled on a wall - it sounds significantly smarter than it is

t1_c2icglc2011-09-08T13:54:24+00:00/u/dmbrown41 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/EverGlow89http://www.reddit.com/user/EverGlow89

Same thing is true of Facebook walls.

Just because it sounds deep, doesn't mean it is.

t1_c2ief672011-09-08T17:59:08+00:00/u/EverGlow89 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/kimmyjayhttp://www.reddit.com/user/kimmyjay

About time someone said this. Wait, what?

t1_c2ic60e2011-09-08T12:59:46+00:00/u/kimmyjay on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Legoshoeshttp://www.reddit.com/user/Legoshoes

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so.

t1_c2idka52011-09-08T16:21:51+00:00/u/Legoshoes on don't know if mind blown or not.

Don't Panic.

t1_c2iefba2011-09-08T17:59:36+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Redditsayshttp://www.reddit.com/user/Redditsays

Without time, there wouldn't be clocks.

t1_c2ic1vk2011-09-08T12:33:06+00:00/u/Redditsays on don't know if mind blown or not.

There are more ways to measure time than using a clock. And that's what clocks are - measuring tools, like a ruler to width or a dB pickup to sound.

Time exists with or without human measurement. Mind not blown.

t1_c2icpri2011-09-08T14:33:20+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not.

Movement and change exist. Without conscious beings to measure it there is no perception of a past, present, and future. Time is merely our perception and measurement of moving objects related to each other.

t1_c2ido5h2011-09-08T16:34:44+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not.

that's like saying space is merely our perception of how objects are spatially related to each other. your point is valid but everything we know is only our perception of it.

t1_c2ieh8c2011-09-08T18:05:26+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/kilo4funhttp://www.reddit.com/user/kilo4fun

Yeah at this point GP is merely making an epistemological distinction and it's just semantics, or what comes down to your own definition/opinion on the theory of knowledge.

t1_c2ig0cn2011-09-08T20:54:53+00:00/u/kilo4fun on don't know if mind blown or not./u/knivesngunzhttp://www.reddit.com/user/knivesngunz

So what you're saying is....time was quantum until we measured it with a clock.

/troll_physics

t1_c2idu4z2011-09-08T16:54:24+00:00/u/knivesngunz on don't know if mind blown or not./u/hagbardcelinehttp://www.reddit.com/user/hagbardceline

Measuring tools and the gradiations used reveal as much about the human psyche as they do about objective reality. Still, that doesn't mean dimensions can't be measured or rationalized.

t1_c2igqy72011-09-08T22:22:33+00:00/u/hagbardceline on don't know if mind blown or not.

time is a measurable dimension.

t1_c2ico302011-09-08T14:26:49+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/technoSurrealisthttp://www.reddit.com/user/technoSurrealist

I got this exact message in my Magic Hat (Hex Ourtoberfest) bottle cap the other day.

t1_c2icodd2011-09-08T14:27:54+00:00/u/technoSurrealist on don't know if mind blown or not./u/k1llahurtzhttp://www.reddit.com/user/k1llahurtz

That's like saying: "Gravity doesn't exist, weight does."

t1_c2iemuc2011-09-08T18:22:17+00:00/u/k1llahurtz on don't know if mind blown or not.

Time exists as a natural phenomena regardless of human perceptibility. It's as real and constant as gravity and sunlight.

t1_c2icv5u2011-09-08T14:54:29+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/PuTongHuahttp://www.reddit.com/user/PuTongHua

If time doesn't exist, what the hell are clocks measuring?

t1_c2ictpy2011-09-08T14:48:35+00:00/u/PuTongHua on don't know if mind blown or not./u/myztryhttp://www.reddit.com/user/myztry

Electrical discharge, pendulum swings, spring tension, atomic decay, chemical reactions, etc. We can't actually measure time itself as it is an intangible construct.

Time is just a relative rate of change. All things have different rates of change. We normalise them into "time" relative to a standard unit (such as Metres/second) by applying modifiers. That second unit is based on an external rate of change which makes it relative.

These modifers are various. Properties such as gravity, temperature, etc will effect the "time" taken for a specific change to occur when varied. So we make them part of our perceived time.

No doubt there is some property deep down which is atomic (indivisible) and to which all these rates of change and their modifiers are dependent on - a universal "tick", but that is not what we measure for we can't. We would not have a hold on time until we can measure it independently from ALL of the modifiers of change.

Our perceived "time" may even just be local. It may be dependent on our bathing in a consistent density of dark matter or some such thing. This could vary further into space leading to situations such as everything being much closer or further away than we perceive, as the energies that effect rates of change are not consistent as we assume - but still consistent within that remote area.

t1_c2id9ok2011-09-08T15:46:41+00:00/u/myztry on don't know if mind blown or not.

Best answer in this thread. Time is just motion related to another object, on both the macroscopic and microscopic scales. If everything was completely frozen down to the smallest possible sub atomic particles would time still be passing? How would could it be measured? If everything was slowly warmed back up would you be measuring relative movement or time?

Edit: These questions aren't directed towards only myztry, nor do I expect answers, they're just questions to think about.

t1_c2idt4l2011-09-08T16:50:59+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/shawa666http://www.reddit.com/user/shawa666

If there was no time, there would only be the present moment. No past or future. Because there would be any past or future, nothing would move, not even atoms or subatomic particles. Energy couldn't be transfered from a body to another. And so on.

t1_c2iefyn2011-09-08T18:01:34+00:00/u/shawa666 on don't know if mind blown or not.

If there was no time, there would only be the present moment.

So the present moment when time is "running" would be equivalent to the current state of all matter and energy frozen in an exact unchanging state.
 When the current state changes, say I move my arm, did time pass or did my arm traverse some space. Did time passing cause my arm to move or did my arm moving cause time to pass?

t1_c2iek772011-09-08T18:14:20+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/shawa666http://www.reddit.com/user/shawa666

Well if you move an arm it did travel in space. Not far, mind you, but at least one extremity moved from one point to another.

You didn't move your arm instantly from point a to point b either. That would be too onerous energy wise and probably would be causing you move faster than the speed of light. Which could prove to be problematic considering the amount of energy needed to accelerate that mass past the speed of light and decelerate it back to immobility.

So while time does not apparently cause your arm to move from point a to point b, absence of time, makes it improbable.

t1_c2ies8f2011-09-08T18:39:28+00:00/u/shawa666 on don't know if mind blown or not.

So while time does not apparently cause your arm to move from point a to point b, absence of time, makes it improbable.

This is kind of my whole point, that with out relative movement you have no time. Thus to me time isn't some independent measurable aspect of the universe, its just how we measure relative motion against everything else. I don't see time as being a necessity in order for movement to occur, time is a product of that.

t1_c2if51z2011-09-08T19:18:28+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/therewontberiotshttp://www.reddit.com/user/therewontberiots

Time is not just motion related to another object. Time is part of spacetime. Time is 'as real' and any distance you measure. Time and space are actually linked. See: spacetime. myztry's answer is true only in the world of Classical Mechanics. While classical mechanics provides great answers for many, many problems (where they give essentially the same answer -- if you are in this region you will probably use classical because it is easier to calculate and relativity is not adding any info). In certain realms (astrophysics, for example), classical mechanics and (both general and special) relativity diverge.

t1_c2ifwzg2011-09-08T20:44:42+00:00/u/therewontberiots on don't know if mind blown or not./u/metarugiahttp://www.reddit.com/user/metarugia

Now this answer is what has blown my mind. This is freaking awesome!

t1_c2ig5322011-09-08T21:10:14+00:00/u/metarugia on don't know if mind blown or not./u/massivepunthttp://www.reddit.com/user/massivepunt

time is the relationship between events occurring? distance is the relationship between objects? over simplified but might help explain this problem

t1_c2id4k72011-09-08T15:29:03+00:00/u/massivepunt on don't know if mind blown or not.

You might have had a small mind to begin with if that blew it.

t1_c2idj6q2011-09-08T16:18:09+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/hookeslawhttp://www.reddit.com/user/hookeslaw

That 'L' is not long for this world.

t1_c2idqqc2011-09-08T16:43:17+00:00/u/hookeslaw on don't know if mind blown or not./u/bovilexiahttp://www.reddit.com/user/bovilexia

relevant http://science.discovery.com/videos/through-the-wormhole-does-time-exist/

t1_c2ienkn2011-09-08T18:24:36+00:00/u/bovilexia on don't know if mind blown or not.

Bitch thats from twilight zone and it goes "God invented time, but man invented clocks"

t1_c2iepkf2011-09-08T18:31:09+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not.

Time does exist.

Besides being an asshole vandal, the person is also retarded.

t1_c2if56z2011-09-08T19:18:53+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/thehatterhttp://www.reddit.com/user/thehatter

Mind remains unblown.

t1_c2if9082011-09-08T19:30:27+00:00/u/thehatter on don't know if mind blown or not./u/sylver_dragonhttp://www.reddit.com/user/sylver_dragon

Double talk doesn't exist, people just think you sound smart when you talk in circles.

t1_c2if9yq2011-09-08T19:33:14+00:00/u/sylver_dragon on don't know if mind blown or not./u/glass_daggershttp://www.reddit.com/user/glass_daggers

Meth exists.

t1_c2ifmt22011-09-08T20:12:10+00:00/u/glass_daggers on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Pringleckshttp://www.reddit.com/user/Pringlecks

Stoner philosophers: ATTACK!

t1_c2igbso2011-09-08T21:31:42+00:00/u/Pringlecks on don't know if mind blown or not./u/potomisohttp://www.reddit.com/user/potomiso

I know a doctor who would not agree with this.

t1_c2igesm2011-09-08T21:41:32+00:00/u/potomiso on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Zeppelanoidhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Zeppelanoid

QUICK!!! Somebody destroy all the clocks in the world!!! Then we can freeze time and become immortal!!!

t1_c2igo6i2011-09-08T22:13:15+00:00/u/Zeppelanoid on don't know if mind blown or not./u/yoplate1http://www.reddit.com/user/yoplate1

This totally proves the timecube concept.

t1_c2ihrbd2011-09-09T00:31:32+00:00/u/yoplate1 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/flylotushttp://www.reddit.com/user/flylotus

GGAAAAAAY! i guess einstein's theory of general relativity doesn't really mean anything because the guy who vandalized this wall is certainly more educated than einstein.

t1_c2id1gn2011-09-08T15:17:52+00:00/u/flylotus on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Vihaanhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Vihaan

Time exists because clocks exist.

t1_c2idma62011-09-08T16:28:19+00:00/u/Vihaan on don't know if mind blown or not./u/lowlyjanitorhttp://www.reddit.com/user/lowlyjanitor

Does that mean length only exists because rulers exist. No! Length would be there without rulers same with time. Clocks are just a way of measuring it.

t1_c2ikfko2011-09-09T07:09:27+00:00/u/lowlyjanitor on don't know if mind blown or not./u/EricWadsworthhttp://www.reddit.com/user/EricWadsworth

I always get an odd feeling when thinking about time. I think it's due to the fact that we only observe it in such sort instances and that we don't move fast enough for it to have a major effect. I think if you could observe longer timescales and you ever moved at relativistic speeds, you would have no doubt in your mind that time exists.

t1_c2icwuf2011-09-08T15:00:45+00:00/u/EricWadsworth on don't know if mind blown or not./u/MrGoodbyteshttp://www.reddit.com/user/MrGoodbytes

Based on my extensive research (i.e. I saw an episode narrated by Morgan Freeman about time), this is a serious concept in the field.

t1_c2id7162011-09-08T15:37:43+00:00/u/MrGoodbytes on don't know if mind blown or not./u/DesignMyselfhttp://www.reddit.com/user/DesignMyself

Time exists. What's illusory is our ability to comprehend any time but now.

t1_c2idhtc2011-09-08T16:13:45+00:00/u/DesignMyself on don't know if mind blown or not.

The joys of British graffiti...

t1_c2ie0l62011-09-08T17:14:14+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not.

"Jacob iz 'ere"

Jacob nods to you politely as you pass by

t1_c2ihbne2011-09-08T23:34:50+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Powellmanhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Powellman

well done you've taken your first step into philosophy, from now on every philosophical thing you learn will seem perfectly relevant and correct the first time you read it but when you read it again it'll just seem dumb.

t1_c2iea0c2011-09-08T17:43:26+00:00/u/Powellman on don't know if mind blown or not.

Ooh the time I wasted reading comments to make sense of this... I'll never get that time back.

t1_c2iegou2011-09-08T18:03:45+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/ificshttp://www.reddit.com/user/ifics

After reading here for a few min I would have to say that guys graffiti did its job

t1_c2ieh0y2011-09-08T18:04:47+00:00/u/ifics on don't know if mind blown or not./u/clubdepizzahttp://www.reddit.com/user/clubdepizza

Time is there, but we just quantified it.

t1_c2iezng2011-09-08T19:02:12+00:00/u/clubdepizza on don't know if mind blown or not./u/MarzAttackshttp://www.reddit.com/user/MarzAttacks

It's like I'm really back in Intro to Philosophy! Aren't we all just giving names to things we perceive our senses are telling us, without actually direct experiencing those things anyway? A tree is not a tree, we just experience our brains telling us that there is something there that we call "tree", but in the reality there can be no such thing as a tree in the way that we suppose to know that there is.

t1_c2if2502011-09-08T19:09:50+00:00/u/MarzAttacks on don't know if mind blown or not./u/waflor42http://www.reddit.com/user/waflor42

My mind is not blown. Time does exist and clocks are what we use to attempt to observe it.

t1_c2ife6a2011-09-08T19:45:55+00:00/u/waflor42 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/AllOfTheIszhttp://www.reddit.com/user/AllOfTheIsz

I'm just going to leave this here: "Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." - Einstein

If time is observed by us, by using motion and space (the earth moving around the sun) then it is really only motion and space that exists. In the same way that meters don't actually "create" the distance between objects time does not "create" the space between events. It is merely our way of measuring it from our perspective and would be entirely different if we were not in this exact place.

t1_c2ifi1y2011-09-08T19:57:17+00:00/u/AllOfTheIsz on don't know if mind blown or not./u/ExecutiveChimphttp://www.reddit.com/user/ExecutiveChimp

Since when?

t1_c2ifmru2011-09-08T20:12:04+00:00/u/ExecutiveChimp on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Josh2021http://www.reddit.com/user/Josh2021

http://t1.thpservices.com/fotos/thum4/005/231/isk-ispc018060.jpg

t1_c2ifnhj2011-09-08T20:14:16+00:00/u/Josh2021 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Turmahttp://www.reddit.com/user/Turma

Time is just a way for humanity to measure the passing amount of time. Of course it doesn't exist in material but it does exist in a way. (Ugh.. When im about to write about something, I don't come up with the exact terms.. fml)

t1_c2ifrvc2011-09-08T20:28:04+00:00/u/Turma on don't know if mind blown or not./u/godlesspinkohttp://www.reddit.com/user/godlesspinko

Time is a measure of entropy.

t1_c2ifszo2011-09-08T20:32:07+00:00/u/godlesspinko on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Wakatahttp://www.reddit.com/user/Wakata

Technically he's right. What do we have to judge time by? The beginning of the universe? We're not even sure about that. And if you're not basing time on the beginning of the universe, really it's arbitrary.

Clocks, however,do indeed exist insofar as the molecules that make them up are temporarily bonded and arranged in the shape of a clock.

He could be right, or bullshit. Depends on your view of time, permanence, and other stuff.

t1_c2ifwo62011-09-08T20:43:41+00:00/u/Wakata on don't know if mind blown or not./u/stevesonaplanehttp://www.reddit.com/user/stevesonaplane

Time is change. Stop all atomic movement and change and stop time. Soup.

t1_c2ig0242011-09-08T20:53:58+00:00/u/stevesonaplane on don't know if mind blown or not./u/metarugiahttp://www.reddit.com/user/metarugia

Edit: Did some reading on the topic (others comments) had my mind blown.

I still view Time as something created by the human mind in order to categorize events.

t1_c2ig4af2011-09-08T21:07:35+00:00/u/metarugia on don't know if mind blown or not.

As I underdtand time, it's just a unit to measure a dimension or a unit to measure change of physical state of things.

t1_c2ig6s92011-09-08T21:15:35+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Ontopourmamahttp://www.reddit.com/user/Ontopourmama

Time exists, clocks only measure it. We are lucky enough to be able to sample a little of it each day until we expire.

t1_c2ig7xv2011-09-08T21:19:25+00:00/u/Ontopourmama on don't know if mind blown or not./u/westcorhttp://www.reddit.com/user/westcor

He must of been on shrooms, I think this everytime

t1_c2ig7zb2011-09-08T21:19:31+00:00/u/westcor on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Cubert_Farnsworthhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Cubert_Farnsworth

This will probably get lost in the noise, since there are already 300 comments, but I think Thundercleese from the Brak show put it best. "Time is an abstract concept used by Carbon-based lifeforms to monitor their own decay."

t1_c2igem62011-09-08T21:41:00+00:00/u/Cubert_Farnsworth on don't know if mind blown or not./u/lucasjhttp://www.reddit.com/user/lucasj

Hold on. It has been nine hours and no one has noticed yet that this graffiti was written to cover up the word "DIKX"?

t1_c2igjgh2011-09-08T21:57:29+00:00/u/lucasj on don't know if mind blown or not./u/stnaigoghttp://www.reddit.com/user/stnaigog

one of my coworkers at camp told an 8 year old this, who then furiously replied: "YOU CAN'T IGNORE THE FOURTH DIMENSION!!"

t1_c2igjzq2011-09-08T21:59:09+00:00/u/stnaigog on don't know if mind blown or not./u/_machhttp://www.reddit.com/user/_mach

All I could think about was Greggory Peggory:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BufqVw0SI5E

t1_c2igkwm2011-09-08T22:02:09+00:00/u/_mach on don't know if mind blown or not./u/honestdirthttp://www.reddit.com/user/honestdirt

time very much exists. DUH.

t1_c2ignxr2011-09-08T22:12:28+00:00/u/honestdirt on don't know if mind blown or not.

They forgot the apostraphe.

t1_c2igpaf2011-09-08T22:16:51+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not.

That's like saying, length doesn't exist, meter sticks exist.

t1_c2igqb12011-09-08T22:20:18+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/citySquirrelhttp://www.reddit.com/user/citySquirrel

The basic idea seems to be that 'time measures the change in position and/or composition of matter.'

But this is from the perspective of the human organism and how it observes change. Might a different organism perceive time in a completely different manner?

I ask you: If humans weren't limited to a finite, fleeting amount of this 'time', if our bodies persisted and self-repaired, would we even bother to measure it?

t1_c2igqle2011-09-08T22:21:22+00:00/u/citySquirrel on don't know if mind blown or not./u/askmax108http://www.reddit.com/user/askmax108

"Clocks slay time... time is dead as long as it is being clicked off by little wheels; only when the clock stops does time come to life."

-William Faulkner

t1_c2igtz02011-09-08T22:32:47+00:00/u/askmax108 on don't know if mind blown or not./u/mindokillerhttp://www.reddit.com/user/mindokiller

Time exists. If it did not, what would clocks keep track of? If time did not exist, there would be no reason for clocks to exist.

Relativity theory, the most accurate theory for describing the motion of celestial bodies, works under the assumption that time is a physical dimension. You say time doesn't exist, develop a theory more accurate than that of general relativity.

t1_c2igwv82011-09-08T22:42:29+00:00/u/mindokiller on don't know if mind blown or not./u/-SD-http://www.reddit.com/user/-SD-

Yeah. Had this thought about 20 years ago. An amazing realisation.

t1_c2ih36j2011-09-08T23:04:11+00:00/u/-SD- on don't know if mind blown or not./u/marcuswinfieldjrhttp://www.reddit.com/user/marcuswinfieldjr

clocks don't exist either. only the "idea" of clocks exist.

t1_c2ih3x52011-09-08T23:06:44+00:00/u/marcuswinfieldjr on don't know if mind blown or not.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

t1_c2ih7342011-09-08T23:18:01+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not.

GARBAGE DOESN'T EXIST ONLY GARBAGE CANS EXIST

t1_c2ih7su2011-09-08T23:20:41+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Paxalothttp://www.reddit.com/user/Paxalot

Time is a relative phenomenon. If you are an animal living on Earth you can 'tell time' by watching the sun and stars. If you are a photon, your life begins and ends instantly even if you've been travelling for 13 billion years.

t1_c2ihbpv2011-09-08T23:35:18+00:00/u/Paxalot on don't know if mind blown or not.

No! Fuck this... I was thinking about this the other day, it's my original idea but now nobody will believe me.

...fuck

t1_c2ihgk92011-09-08T23:52:44+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/nermidhttp://www.reddit.com/user/nermid

I have had to explain this to no less than 5 people in as many months.

I don't understand how so many people can fail to differentiate between time and a fucking calendar.

t1_c2ihn1p2011-09-09T00:15:55+00:00/u/nermid on don't know if mind blown or not./u/somewherespecialhttp://www.reddit.com/user/somewherespecial

Time is the past, present, and future combined. These are concepts. What we call time is a concept. Ones perception of time can vary significantly. Different cultures have different ideas of time, and some don't even consider time as what western civilization knows it at all. Who YOU are is collection of ideas/thoughts. Time is the vessel through which those ideas take shape.

t1_c2ihxm02011-09-09T00:55:12+00:00/u/somewherespecial on don't know if mind blown or not./u/BigFatCatInTheSkyhttp://www.reddit.com/user/BigFatCatInTheSky

Only time will tell...

t1_c2ihyje2011-09-09T00:58:41+00:00/u/BigFatCatInTheSky on don't know if mind blown or not./u/PoopingProbablyhttp://www.reddit.com/user/PoopingProbably

Biological time exists regardless

t1_c2ii35t2011-09-09T01:15:45+00:00/u/PoopingProbably on don't know if mind blown or not./u/bestbiffhttp://www.reddit.com/user/bestbiff

I'm guessing the guy who scribbled this on a wall never ages? Or sees the effects of time in any way?

t1_c2iidpg2011-09-09T01:53:56+00:00/u/bestbiff on don't know if mind blown or not./u/darthvaliumhttp://www.reddit.com/user/darthvalium

Despite the overall consensus in the comments I still claim you can consider your mind blown since you have discovered radical constructivism in a nutshell.

And everyone in here shrugging off 2000 years of philosphers cudgeling their brains over epistemology as pseudophilosophy just using their so called "common sense" are the actual pseudophilosphers if you ask me.

t1_c2il3tr2011-09-09T10:59:05+00:00/u/darthvalium on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Wilcowshttp://www.reddit.com/user/Wilcows

I love the person who wrote that because he's right

t1_c2im1wi2011-09-09T14:27:24+00:00/u/Wilcows on don't know if mind blown or not./u/squeezinhttp://www.reddit.com/user/squeezin

Hooray for pseudo-philosophy... -.-

In all seriousness, time does exist, but it's relative to where you are and what you're measuring exactly, hence the different timezones and different hours in a day on other planets.

t1_c2id8im2011-09-08T15:42:52+00:00/u/squeezin on don't know if mind blown or not./u/chrom_edhttp://www.reddit.com/user/chrom_ed

Yeah it, wait what?

Yes, time is relative. That has nothing to do with time zones or the length of extra terrestrial days.

t1_c2ihfw02011-09-08T23:50:24+00:00/u/chrom_ed on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Krakerjaxhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Krakerjax

Time as we know it is the measure of cycles. It "exists" because we can perceive something for it to relate to. But it is ultimately I feel nothing more than a flimsy concept we use to maintain our days and keep ourselves sane.

t1_c2icv3n2011-09-08T14:54:13+00:00/u/Krakerjax on don't know if mind blown or not.

You know before clocks, we use to use the sun to tell us what time it was. Time is, weather you think it's a flimsy concept or not. It doesn't really care what you maintain to stay sane.

t1_c2iee222011-09-08T17:55:37+00:00/u/[deleted] on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Syokahttp://www.reddit.com/user/Syoka

clocks only work because time exists.

t1_c2icy8w2011-09-08T15:06:05+00:00/u/Syoka on don't know if mind blown or not./u/Joke_Getterhttp://www.reddit.com/user/Joke_Getter

You may be retarded. I'm sure they have tests for this, but unfortunately no treatment. Still, you should try to find out.

t1_c2ide0h2011-09-08T16:00:58+00:00/u/Joke_Getter on don't know if mind blown or not.


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Rejection is probably the hardest part of dating. You put yourself out there, show you're interested, even let someone get to know you—and then they turn you down. It's tempting just to stay home.
Here's the thing, though: you can't stay home. Rejection is tough, but it's tougher to be alone for the rest of your life. You have to risk rejection to find acceptance. So how do you move on?
The first thing you have to realize is romantic rejection isn't personal. Well, sometimes it is, and in those cases you should move on to the next paragraph. In the vast majority of cases, your rejection says nothing bad about you. You may be rejected because you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. Women say "it's not a good time" as an excuse, but often it's true. Or your timing for asking someone out was bad; or the location. (Funerals are bad occasions; generally speaking, so are carwashes.) You may also be rejected because you just don't fit. I know, he's hot, but face it, you work with horses and he hates animals. That's his problem. Don't make it yours.
Second, sometimes rejection is your fault. If you go up to a woman, as John Nash did in A Beautiful Mind, and say, "I want to have intercourse with you," the odds of a favorable reception are not good. In those cases, use your rejection as an opportunity to improve your dating skills. How are you putting yourself across? What are you doing wrong? Don't whine about your bad luck; be proactive and fix it.
Third, turn to your friends. People love you. True, you were looking for a different kind of love, but that's no reason to turn your friends away. Your friends know you well. They can see you're loveable and attractive.
Fourth, take care of yourself. Whether you're dealing with the rejection of a stranger at a bar or your partner's cheating, you're not going to be helped by taking your feelings out on yourself. Sleep, eat well, and exercise. I know bodily care is an unromantic response to the tragedies of life, but it really will help. Especially the exercise. And maybe you can meet someone new at the gym.
Fifth, don't let rejection interfere with your life. Continue to pursue your goals. Whether you're single or not, you need to follow your own interests. A partner is no substitute for a self. Also, having a strong, independent life is one of the surest ways to attract a stable partner.
And finally, eat chocolate. Be happy! You're not going to move on by moping. Eat gummy bears if you have some freakish aversion to chocolate.
Everyone has been rejected in love. (Let's hope so, anyway. If we have to go through it, everyone should.) Rejection is just part of the romance game. Move on. Attraction and acceptance are part of the romance game, too.
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Spring 2017 Class Schedule - updated May 5, 2016 at 02:00 pm
|Number/Section Title
|ASIA 171-01 Art of the East II: Japan
|01:10 pm-02:10 pm
|Kari Shepherdson-Scott
|*Cross-listed with ART 171-01*
|ASIA 256-01 India and its Neighbors: The Anthropology of South Asia
|02:20 pm-03:20 pm
|Arjun Guneratne
|*Cross-listed with ANTH 256-01*
|ASIA 275-01 The Rise of Modern China
|01:20 pm-02:50 pm
|Yue-him Tam
|*Cross-listed with HIST 275-01*
|ASIA 294-01 Embodiment and Subjectivity in Later Chinese Art
|10:50 am-11:50 am
|Kari Shepherdson-Scott
|*Cross-listed with ART 294-02*
|ASIA 378-01 War Crimes and Memory in East Asia
|09:40 am-11:10 am
|Yue-him Tam
|*Cross-listed with HIST 378-01*
|ASIA 394-01 Asian Cities
|07:00 pm-10:00 pm
|I-Chun Catherine Chang
|*Cross-listed with GEOG 394-01; first day attendance required*
Fall 2016 Class Schedule - updated May 5, 2016 at 02:00 pm
|Number/Section Title
|ASIA 111-01 Cultural Anthropology: Introduction to Asian Studies
|10:50 am-11:50 am
|Arjun Guneratne
|*Cross-listed with ANTH 111-02*
|ASIA 140-01 Introduction to East Asian Civilization
|10:50 am-11:50 am
|Yue-him Tam
|*Cross-listed with HIST 140-01*
|ASIA 170-01 Art of the East I: China
|01:10 pm-02:10 pm
|Kari Shepherdson-Scott
|*Cross-listed with ART 170-01*
|ASIA 194-01 Revolution and Romance in Chinese Fiction and Film
|10:50 am-11:50 am
|Xin Yang
|*First Year Course only; cross-listed with CHIN 194-01* Revolution and Romance in Chinese fiction and film From a "sick man of Asia" to a "peaceful rising" nation, from red guards to the online hackers, modern and contemporary China sees tremendous social change and cultural creativity. Revolution and romance are two recurring themes people often visit and revisit, reflecting an intense contemplation on the self and the public, the individual and the collective, the personal and the political. This course seeks to critically understand China by reading modern and contemporary Chinese fiction and film, which not only tell us about China, but also universal human experiences across geographical or cultural boundaries. No prior knowledge of China or Chinese is required.
|ASIA 271-01 Japan and the (Inter)National Modern
|02:20 pm-03:20 pm
|Kari Shepherdson-Scott
|*Cross-listed with ART 271-01*
|ASIA 274-01 The Great Tradition in China before 1840
|02:20 pm-03:20 pm
|Yue-him Tam
|*Cross-listed with HIST 274-01*
|ASIA 277-01 The Rise of Modern Japan
|03:30 pm-04:30 pm
|Yue-him Tam
|*Cross-listed with HIST 277-01*
|ASIA 281-01 Dialects, Multilingualism, and the Politics of Speaking Japanese
|01:10 pm-02:10 pm
|Satoko Suzuki
|*Cross-listed with JAPA 281-01 and LING 281-01*
|ASIA 294-01 Cramming for the Exam: Chinese Education in Literature and History
|07:00 pm-10:00 pm
|Rivi Handler-Spitz
|*First day attendance required; cross-listed with EDUC 294-02 and CHIN 294-01* On tests, Chinese students consistently outperform Americans. This fact has been attributed to Chinese cultural emphasis on education and respect for teachers. But where do these values come from? What constituted an elite education in premodern China? Who had access to it, and what political goals did it serve? This course traces the historical development of the civil service examination system, the benchmark of social and political success in imperial China. We will study the Confucian classics and commentaries, which formed the backbone of the curriculum. Other topics include frustrated scholars' fictional accounts of the unfairness of the exam system, Europeans' praise of it as a model for the equitable recruitment of civil servants, and women's strategies for circumventing a system that explicitly excluded them.
|ASIA 294-02 Girls' Manga: Gender/Sexuality in Japan through Popular Culture
|09:40 am-10:40 am
|*Cross-listed with JAPA 294-01* What do big eyes, sparkles and flowers have to do with gender in Japan? What was so revolutionary about boy's love in 1970's manga? What's exciting and difficult about using manga to do cultural analysis? This course offers a survey of girls' comics, or shōjo manga, in Japan. We will discuss major historical trends, read works by important artists, and watch adaptations (e.g. anime and live-action TV series/films). While enjoying amazing stories and artwork, we will focus on serious analysis of gender and sexuality within works and the manga industry. No Japanese-language ability required. Screenings will be determined.
|ASIA 294-03 Geography of Asia
|03:00 pm-04:30 pm
|I-Chun Catherine Chang
|*Cross-listed with GEOG 294-01; first day attendance required* Whether the twenty-first century will be dominated by the "rising Asia" has spurred recurring debates in policy and academic circles. But what is Asia? How can we understand this diverse region where more than half of the world's population resides? In this course, we will first deconstruct the idea of Asia as a cartographic entity to excavate the layered social-cultural meaning and geographical diversity of the "Asias." We will also place the "Asias" in a global context to reveal how contemporary Asia anchors the changing world political economy and cultural imaginations outside the West. We will begin with important theoretical debates on (East) Asian development that prevailed in the 1980s and 1990s, including discussions about the colonial past, the path-dependency of development and uneven industrialization, regional disparities and mega-urbanization. We will then use these debates as the foundation to explore the contemporary globalizing Asia. What are the important connections between Asian countries, and with other parts of the world? What are the role of the "Asias" in international governance and geo-politics? Can China replace the United States as the dominant geo-economic power? These are the questions we will explore in this course.
|ASIA 394-01 China's Modern Economy
|09:40 am-10:40 am
|Liang Ding
|*Cross-listed with ECON 394-01* In the past three decades, China is one of the most dynamic and fastest growing countries in the world. Why has China been growing so fast in the last three decades? What are the keys to develop a successful business in China? How does the emergence of China affect the world economy? This course is designed to answer the above questions using a general framework developed for the Chinese economy. China remains a communist country with a significant legacy of a command economy. But it is also a market economy. Understanding this mixture - capitalism with Chinese characters - is a major aim of this course. We will begin with several classes on the historical development of the Chinese economy. This includes the nature of the command economy developed during the Maoist era and the period of economic reform under Deng Xiaoping. Then we will investigate the main players of such an economy (central/local governments and various types of firms). The next is to analyze the three growth engines: globalization, industrialization and urbanization, and to show how they are interacted. We will also study the distorted state financial system and its implication on external imbalances. The last part of the course will be on the future of the Chinese economy.