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Tom, there are many "Zimmermans" who did become cops! Even scarier thought!
Tom, lots of "Zimmermans" have already become cops! Even scarier thought!!
One of the many things O'Mara left out is, there are African Americans who live in the neighborhood. So are we to believe that every African American person is suspect because there MAY have been some break ins where the perpetrator was black? Sounds like profiling to me.
Tom and Run, just imagine if Martin had become a full-fledged gangster. Wow. Talk about scary thoughts. Grow up, both of you.
What if Martin had become a full-fledged gangster! Really scary thought. Grow up.
Why did Travon according to states witness leave the protection of his fathers doorway and return to apparently confront Zimmerman
To me George Zimmerman is guilty and he's acting because why does he came out of the car and followed Martin when he was told to stayed in the car, he just want to use the gun he bought and martin was his perfect excuse
If Travon were white we would not be having a trial
Profiling is irrelevant.
No offense against anyone butt dont let the mistakes of a few people tear the rest of us apart we are all in the world together and we will stand united fall divided
The case comes down to the fact that there is no evidence that Zimmerman committed a crime. You may think he would make a scary cop, but that isn't a crime. You may think a minority "profiled" another minority, but that isn't a crime either. The only evidence you have is that two guys argued, and the guy on top got shot.
For me the sad part is what can't be litigated. When a member of our society decides to carry the means to take a life concealed on his body in my opinion he should be held to a higher standard. While I don't necessarily think George a racist or even bad person I do believe he allowed that weapon to make him act in a manner he normally would not have. I suspect without the gun he would have done as requested by the police dispatcher and not followed Trayvon. The gun gave him the courage to do something he normally wouldn't have and he subsequently put himself in the position to feel he needed to use it and took a human life.
There are very few instances in my opinion, in the U.S., where people need to carry a weapon. If we feel we have a right to be armed I would argue we should be forced to carry old west style with the weapon out in the open for all to see. I think I should have a right to know who among us feels the need to carry a firearm so I can take note and adjust my behavior appropriately, as in stay away from them.
If George had not been carrying a weapon he most likely would not have followed or confronted Trayvon (if he did) and I doubt Trayvon would have acted the way he did had the gun been clearly visable.
It is a racist thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
praying for Zimmerman!!
Assume that GZ didn't have a gun, and instead, reached out and grabbed a rock while TM was pummeling him and smashes it against TM's temple, killing him. Does that change anything?
friedtongue: so basically what you are saying is that think carrying a gun should be a criminal offense?
I agree with William, if this boy had been any other color than a black male, there would have been no trial. I'm saddened by the fact that, still, we in this country have not gotten beyond race. Everday teenagers are killed in this country, many of these are black on black crimes, but you hear nothing of these killings. Why is that? Is it because these lives have less meaning, no, it's because there is no race involved to continue to try to cause division. It's beyond time to stop all this race separation and do what's right.
I told everyone that Zimmerman was guilty - at least they listened to me. I don't need any trial - you can tell just by looking at him that Zimmerman did it on purpose and is against all black people!
Johnny Frankle, really is that what you got from my post? Absolutely not. I'm a gun owner, but I do think it's a huge responsibility to carry especially concealed and one most of us probably can't live up to. I don't carry. I think George carrying a gun increased the likelihood he would put himself in a position to need to use it and he did. From a legal perspective I don't see where he committed a crime as I believe he thought he was going to be significantly injured. I'm not a believer in concealed carry. If we must carry a weapon it should be out in the open where all citizens can see it and keep away from it.
i don't like lawyers in general, but both sides in this case are represented by knuckleheads. O'Mara is a joke.
Omara' basically admitted Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon and was justified in doing so by referencing the only people that had been arrested for the burglaries were African Americans thus making Trayvon suspicious and guilty in Zimmerman's heart and mind, so as a man thinketh, thus showing his imindset as he followed the teenager whose only crime was walking home while black.
I like O'Mara, but so far I'm not moved by his closing arguments at all. The prosecution was much better in getting me to "feel" the real deal of this case: ZIMMERMAN STARTED IT!
The fact is that legally it doesn't matter if Zimmerman profiled Martin. All that matters is who initiated physical contact.
If Zimmerman was justified in fearing serious bodily injury or death, then it was self-defense.
He needs to get LIFE!! Phone records dont lie! He know exactly what he was doing. If he doesnt go to prison someone will get him on the street and he deserves it!
I'm not trying to play the race card at a but a Young Black woman was stating in her trial self defense and in this case all she did was stab to wound the white man excuse my language.. And in fact the evidence were there but she still got 20 years in prison for battery assault when she was truly defending her self.. There is proof the Policemen told Zimmerman not to follow him which he did any way..
I pray that the Martin family get justice. Sure George had the right to carry and own a gun. But this man followed Trayvon. If I'm being followed your damn right I would ask that person if they had a problem. And or why that person was following me. Don't let Zimmerman walk!!!!!
If I wear a hoodie and have a bag of skittles and a can of Arizona In my hand does that make me a suspect????
The only thing I'm looking at is the fact that he disobeyed a law official. Had he gotten back into his truck, then none of this would be taking place. Adage: if you seek you will find. Everyone can't be a cowboy.
It is so obvious GZ is not guilty. Why did they not let the jurors know that TM was arrested for fighting, On his text messages he was looking for a gun to buy. He was suspended from school for drugs, This is not an angel his own step brother asked on the text he wanted Trayvon to teach him to fight. TM could have been home. Instead he came back to confront GZ , he sucker punched him, knocked him to the ground and started to beat his head against the cement. GZ was fighting for his life. SELF DEFENSE. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
I am praying very hard that this man does not walk
He didnt want the "wanna be cop" neighborhood car be cause he wanted to be a real cop. He sees himself as a "real cop"!!!
Angel, would you also punch them?
This would not be on TV if it were not for Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Playing the race card. Now all the media is eating this up. When he is said to be Not Guilty. Are there going to be riots? And everyone can get a free TV and stuff.
Zimmerman killed in self defense. Period. This trail is a witch hunt. It should only have made the local news. If it was black on black, no national news story. If martin (black) shot Zimmerman (white) , no national news story. Just north of there in Brunswick, Georgia, two black thugs shot a white fourteen month old baby in the face when it's mother couldn't produce any money during a armed robbery. Their mothers were arrested for throwing the murder weapon in a pond. where's the national news. Where's the out rage by the black community. In Chicago (Obama's town) sixty five blacks are shoot each other over the weekend. Twelve died. Where is the black out rage. This past weekend In Macon, Georgia, a seventeen year old black male is shot and killed outside of a club at three o'clock in the morning by another black male. where is the black out rage. where is the national news. I'm so sick of it all. it never stops. why don't they just go away and take their president with them.
I'm stunned by the level of ignorance displayed by many bloggers. If you are convinced, based on the evidence presented, that GZ was defending himself, acquit him. If not, convict him. I find his injuries are consistent with an attack. Since there is no evidence, only an abundance of conjecture and supposition, to the contrary, he must be acquitted. That's how are system of laws are designed to work. It is better to free 10 guilty men then to wrongly convict 1. Get with the program people.
I pray Zimmerman does not walk away from this. Bottom line Trayvon had every right to be walking in the area, just as well as Zimmerman. Why in God's name did he follow him? I'll tell you why,because he profiled him, that's why. And it was with intent because he "PROFILED" that kid. It's a damn shame that in 2013 we are still going through this BS. What are you people afraid of...damn!
Rose how about GZ fighting with the cop, how about GZ beating the crap outta his wife tit for tat!
The defense for this killer, George Zimmerman, is so fed up that this case actual came to trial that they can barely contain their contempt for the whole process.
Their attitude is so what? They want to convince the jury that Trayvon brought this on himself by being an uppity "suspect" by being a Black person.
George Zimmerman should have "stand down" when cautioned to do.
Then we would not be treated to his defense and their total lack of remorse that an innocent young man has senselessly lost his life at the hands of their client ...
Shame on the system for allowing this man's defense team to try to help him get away with cold blooded murder.
More frequent posts, please.
Friedtongue, you made a salent point. And here's my retort: What if George Zimmerman had not carried a weapon? Would Trevon have stopped his assault, or would George have lost HIS life?
I was paying little attention and holding off judgement until yesterday, but after reading about the prosecution case yesterday, I'm with the prosecution. If this gung-ho gets off scott free there is something wrong in the state of Florida that needs to be fixed. But those calling for riots have not the right answer, that will only turn progress far backwards. Like thousand of years backwards.
The political transference of the two parties in our country into advocates for the two sides in the Zimmerman murder trial is somewhat distressing. As I wade through the various on line forums it seems more than anecdotal that the opinion of left leaning people was with the victim, and the defense is strongly supported by Republicans.
This is not the stereo type, Republicans are characterized as pro prosecution, the same way that Democrats generally look to assure that someone is not jailed irresponsibly. Granted they are stereo types.
Ask yourself one question, if the dead person was George Zimmerman a 17 year old mixed race light skinned kid and the shooter was an African American adult that was 28, do we sense the public opinion would remain with the two cases as opposed to the two people involved.
Without regard for the real facts of the trial,there is real discomfort in that people have chosen to carry other prejudice to determine the side they seem to side with.
This is a cautionary tale of the influence of the Internet, over time it is moving away from a million points of light and open dialogue to.....my team vs. your team. There no I in team. But there are iTeams.
So beware of using the Internet to determine individuals and be prepared to study a more comprehensive look at members of movements and larger pools of consolidated public opinion.
These movements are much more real, they allow the people to speak the unvarnished truth and without inhibition they reveal so much more.
Clearly...CLEARLY...SELF DEFENSE! Great Job Defense Team proving Zimmerman's innocence. You brought TRUTH into the trial. If this jury finds anything other than not guilty....we've got 'special interests' to thank......and I think everyone knows what that means!!!
Ms C, exactly! This really is a simple case despite lawyers trying to make it seem complex. If I were a juror, then my choice would be quick and clear. Everything that the defense is arguing would be completely irrelevant to me because the defendant brought it all on himself. Pure and simple! GUILTY!
GZ claims that during his talk with police where they advised him not to follow, he lost TM anyway and was just walking back to his truck. He had gotten out of his truck before calling the police.
GZ states that TM looked suspicious because he was walking slowly, in the rain with no umbrella or raincoat, and looking into houses. If I saw someone doing that on my street I would find the person highly suspicious as well, irrespective of their race.
If you think GZ is lying then it doesn't matter what he says. But his story is not proven wrong by the facts of the case and has been consistent.
Zimmerman is CLEARLY innocent!
The political transference of the two parties in our country into advocates for the two sides in the Zimmerman murder trial is somewhat distressing. As I wade through the various on line forums it seems more than anecdotal that the opinion of left leaning people was with the victim, and the defense is strongly supported by Republicans.
This is not the stereo type, Republicans are characterized as pro prosecution, the same way that Democrats generally look to assure that someone is not jailed irresponsibly. Granted they are stereo types.
Ask yourself one question, if the dead person was George Zimmerman a 17 year old mixed race light skinned kid and the shooter was an African American adult that was 28, do we sense the public opinion would remain with the two cases as opposed to the two people involved.
Without regard for the real facts of the trial,there is real discomfort in that people have chosen to carry other prejudice to determine the side they seem to side with.
This is a cautionary tale of the influence of the Internet, over time it is moving away from a million points of light and open dialogue to.....my team vs. your team. There no I in team. But there are iTeams.
So beware of using the Internet to determine individuals and be prepared to study a more comprehensive look at members of movements and larger pools of consolidated public opinion.
These movements are much more real, they allow the people to speak the unvarnished truth and without inhibition they reveal so much more.
TM, rest in peace. GZ, live in peace.
If this jury doesn't find Zimmerman not guilty and that he acted in self defense...there is something wrong with our judicial system. There seems to be political pressure that wants this guy to 'pay' for protecting himself against an attacker. Many people are sending prayers out for Zimmerman. The only proof or evidence the state has that Zimmerman is guilty of anything is all emotionally driven and nothing substantial.
Duane, if you read my post you have my answer. I think an unarmed George would not have followed Trayvon and thus we would not have had this incident. The gun provided the courage to move beyond his normal boundaries and put himself in a position to have to use the weapon. This is of course conjecture and can't be proven and is irrelevant to the legalities of the case, but I think most relevant in the human aspect of this case.
The case has to be decided based on the laws we have agreed upon and exist on the books and if George was in a position where he feared serious harm or death he is justified in taking Trayvon's life. I think it's extremely sad that a mans unfounded need to protect himself or more likely to feel macho led to him putting himself in a position to take a life.
If there are riots or fights as a result of a not guilty verdict......that would absolutely prove why 'certain groups' get profiled!
Zimmerman lawyer O'Mara is a joke, he is very boring and is trying to reveiw the entire case.
Zimmerman had to much time on his hands. He should have been working and providing for his family. He was an obsessed with wanting to be a police officer and ran it in the ground. He lied to a judge about being indigent and not being able to post bond. When in reality he had raised in excess of $150.000. He and his wife talked in code about the money from the jailhouse phone. So, how can we believe anything he says. How do we know that Martin was not standing his ground against a crazy person with no authority who was stalking him?
I hope this jury uses their heads and evidence and not to use the emotional tactics that the state is using.
I find it interesting that a constituency that cheered boisterously when OJ Simpson, a plainly guilty double- murderer, was acquitted is so convinced of the guilt of Zimmerman with his broken nose and lacerated scalp.
Frankly, their opinion is informed by racism. Had the races of the two been reversed, Al Sharpton and others would be protesting the unjust, racist persecution of the obviously innocent African-American George Zimmerman.
I am no republican, but the state clearly has not proven murder or manslaughter, or supplied any specific evidence disproving self-defense by the battered Zimmerman. That's won't stop the howls of injustice by Trayvon t-shirt bearing partisans when the verdict is read.
how long does the state have when they come back
Whatever the race of the individual's involved. If Martin was fighting like a man, Zimmerman should of fought like a man. No weapons involved. He needs to be held accountable for his actions. He was told to stay in his vehicle, he made the decision to follow Martin. I would run to if someone was following me.
If I had a permit to carry a concealed weapon...and I wore it while on a watch for my neighborhood....and I saw a person, at night, in the rain walking or staggering through my neighborhood...I'd ABSOLUTELY follow him. Call 911....keep them on the phone...and continue to follow. If that person and I met face to face in the course of that activity and there were words that escalated to where the guy threw a punch at me...then began a fight with me....sat on top of me....pounding my head on the ground OR on concrete and I felt my life was in danger...I'd definitely pull out my gun to defend myself! Wouldn't you?
GZ is guilty
I know some GZs .GUILTY
Where is the tape measure? There is more than a three inch difference in those cut outs, and I never seen a sidewalk that thick!
@ Yvonne Finn thats why they are call the defense.... they are doing there job and defending there client!! DUH !! .........so its there job to help him get away with cold blooded murder!! #common sense people!!
I believe that there is a third party involved in this.... No DNA ON HIM FROM TRAYVION... SOMETHING REALLY WRONG... I think state really MISS IT!! Sorry for the family of Trayvon
I have listened to all of the evidence, he profiled, followed and killed a kid.. I cant break into a lions cage and kill him just because I have a gun... They told him, we dont need you to follow him. Zimmerman had already called the police, he should have just waited. He wants you to think he was trying to get an address? Yet he had called the police over 100 times and there were only three streets involved..GUILTY..!
does anybody know if the defense ever actually talked about and presented the drugs in trayvon in court, I missed a day.
I know some GZs and some are cops.Guilty for GZ.
Zimmerman is innocent
does anybody know if the defense ever actually talked about and presented the drugs in trayvon in court?
How does a man fight back when the person bashing their head on the ground goes for the gun? Because that is what Zimmerman alleges. Martin saw and went for his gun. There is nothing contradicting that.
Also, George Zimmerman was already following Mr. Martin on foot when he made his 911 call. You can hear him breathing heavily throughout the call as he walks. The 911 dispatcher did not order him to go back to his car. From the official transcript:
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
Dispatcher: OK, we don't need you to do that.
There is a big difference between being ordered back to your trick by a police officer, and being advised that you are not needed to follow a suspicious person by a 911 dispatcher. Zimmerman says that after the call he headed back to his truck when he was ambushed. Please consult the actual transcript before making up a story.
I really can't believe that so many people are thinking mr. Zimmerman is guilty. Treyvon Martin was not a child!! He would be prosecuted as an adult if tides were turned. Annnnnd if it happened the way GZ says and names were reversed TM would be found not guilty by the same standard of self defense.
There are many things I do not understand about this case but the one thing that sticks out is....If TM felt he was being followed or felt he was threatened in any way, why didn't he hang up from his friend and call the police himself. All he would have had to do is say I'm walking through a neighborhood on my way home and I am being followed by someone. At that point the two calls could have merged and this could have been avoided.....maybe. Just my own thoughts. If I were being followed I would call the cops, not a friend that is NO HELP
not guilty
The prosecutor is really putting on a over the top act
Lisa, why didn't TM just walk to the home where he was staying? In the 4 full minutes between Zimmerman's call and the altercation as recorded by the girlfriend's call, Mr. Martin could have walked to the house and back again several times.
Knowing what we know about Mr. Martin's background, it is very consistent what his history that he would hide and ambush the "crazy ass cracker" that was following him to teach him a lesson. This does not mean he deserved to be killed, but if Zimmerman was made to legitimately fear for his life - if Mr. Martin saw the gun and moved to deprive Mr. Zimmerman of it during their struggle - then the tragedy that unfolded is all too clear. And it does not make Mr. Zimmerman guilty of murder.
This is not a complex case by any measure, so.....lets look at what went wrong when it went wrong and who was wrong, mathematically you will have your answer
1. Zimmermann made a wrong assumption
2.Zimmermann after being advised not to follow, followed anyway (wrong)
3.Zimmermann made contact with TM and made no attempt to diffuse what was clearly an escalating scenario, wrong.
4.Zimmermann now involved in a physical altercation has the option and chooses to use deadly force
resulting in TM death.
There is no explanation that can change the fact that Zimmermann cannot be right because he was wrong from the beginning to the end.....not rocket science
Four wrongs cannot equal 1 right.
I just do not understand why TM didn't hang up from his friend and call the cops himself. If I were being followed and felt uncomfortable, I would not continue talking to a friend that is no help, I would call the cops and ask them to send someone and find out why I was being followed. At least we would have had his 911 call to listen to also. Just my thoughts.
OMG..where did they get these prosecution guys...that guy giving the final argument is a joke. When this is over they all need to be fired and the judge needs to take anger management classes along and aren't judges supposed to be impartial?
Wow, the nearly illiterate have sure come out to play today. Surprisingly, many of them seem to know exactly what happened during the Martin-Zimmerman confrontation! Perhaps they could enlighten the rest of us that have actually been following the trial from an objective standpoint, and are waiting for the law to be administered.
The evidence is all that we have, and frankly all that we need: that is how our justice system works. The case against Zimmerman was weak from the start, and has only deteriorated since. Remove strong emotion (from both sides), and work with facts. Not guilty.
If someone were beating my head on the concrete what would you do?
JuuiceLoose, Good point. TM should have just gone to where he was staying. As for me, I am a concealed carry permit holder and I would have used my gun if I were in the situation described. Just being honest. I feel bad that the situation happened at all but pray that it can come to a close without further violence.
Why does the Prosecution have to yell and shout. Can't they talk in a normal tone. I don't find the yelling very helpful.
Zimmerman being accused of lying. Prosecution is a joke. Hope the jury sees thru it.
What I don't understand is why Trayvon did not just walk home? That is all he had to do. If ZImmerman caught up to him and said "What are you doing here?" the proper response would have been "My dad live's here. I'm going home. Call the cops if you want." and then wait for the police to come. Instead Trayvon punches Zimmerman in the face and then starts pounding on him when Zimmerman was on the ground????
Also, why didn't Trayvon call his dad, who was blocks away, to tell him he was being "followed"? Instead he tell's his "friend" this? Wouldn't common sense be to call your parent so they can come and help you?
If Zimmerman receive critical injury. Where is the hospital report. He should have went to the hospital and Trayvon DNA should have been all over him.
Why would anyone commit a crime in FLA? Zim was charged with 1st degree, now because the State thinks that they cant make it stick, they want to charge him with manslaughter. It must easy for Prosecution lawyers when you know you have that in your back pocket.
America's justice system is really messed up. If Casey Anthony couldnt get 1st degree why then didn't they instruct the jury on a lesser charge of manslaughter like they are doing to Zim.
After the Casey Anthony verdict, this is Florida's chance to prove that not all Florida jurors are blind... GM is NOT GUILTY..
GZ lost track of TM for 4 minutes...the little thug could have been home, drinking his tea, eating his Skittles and smoking his weed....but instead he waited in the dark and then jumped GM the rest is history. If the prosecution thinks calling this bully a "child" will make people see him for anything other than what he was...he is stupid.
It didn't happen like that with Zimmerman.
I keep reading if TM did this and TM did that, what about if GZ do what the dispatcher said? Also, just because the law says 17 is an adult, how many 17 year old are sucessfully living on there on that you know?
Zimmerman will be found Not Guilty
If I knew without a doubt that I was right in protecting myself. I would have testified! Simple, easy, end of story!
They were fighting, moving around, give me a break. Look at George's injurs. Let's all be honest. What was Treyvon at age 17 doing out past curfue at 2am?? I've actually had a knife pulled on me, and would not hve doubled the possibility of one being pulled on Zimmerman. Trayvon also assaulted police in the past. I've lived n Sanford, come on! It'a sll about race. Very sad.
How about someone who is getting beat up by a 17 year old hoodlum
Juiceloose, I have read the story, as well as paying close attention to the trial. If Martin was so called beating the crap out of Zimmerman where were the wounds to his knuckles during his altopsy? Zimmerman is not above the law. This was an unarmed man. In all accounts Zimmerman was heavier than Martin, he could of gotten the upper hand had he tried harder. He chose the easy way, to go for his gun.
Even if the race pimps successfully pressure the jury to find Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter, Zimmerman is frankly lucky to be alive after getting beaten down by Mr. Martin who was clearly the superior combatant.
Zimmerman acted in self-defense. Come on people! Travon was an underage 17 year old out after CURFUE at 2AM. The last time, while in Florida, yep, Sanford, FL, I ran into a black underager after curfue, I was held up at knifepoint! A fact! Thank GOD I wasn't hurt, I geve him my money, and that was that! Look at poor George's head an face. No charges would have been brought if George shot in self defense another white, jew or hispanic person! I am sick of this crap. I'd love to see a background check on Travon's family and see what's up.
Well we can't "look into the heart of that child" if the judge suppresses his text messages and social media pictures now can we? Garbage ruling by a garbage judge and a sham trial.
Outraged, how do you tear your knuckles if you are bashing someone's head into the sidewalk?
I guess if your hand was between the victim's head and the sidewalk you could hurt your knuckles. But why would Mr. Martin smash his own hand between Zimmerman's head and the sidewalk?
How does Zimmerman get an acute broken nose and head lacerations if nobody attacked him? With all the ruckus going on and people watching, do you honestly think he purposefully faceplanted a few times into the concrete after shooting Mr. Martin to simulate injury?
All GZ has done is dog face the whole trial, guilty
"Continuing to refer to Zimmerman as a "grown man" and Martin as a "child," Guy said there are two people who know what happened the night of the shooting. "One of them can't testify and the other one lied," Guy said."
Hmmm. So besides flinging accusations, the prosecutor just said that he himself is not one of the two people who knows what happened that night. Sounds like reasonable doubt of guilt remains.
Juiceloose, I never said an altercation didn't occur. It makes no sense that Martin had no injuries to his hands. I saw Zimmermans photos after the incident. It doesnt justify shooting an unarmed man. We unfortunately tend to shoot, and ask questions later. You dont have to shoot to kill.
JD ... Amen !!! Everyone wants to be a know it all . We are human , we make mistakes & bad discussions daily . Unfortunate & sad circumstances are the outcome ! We all think we have the answers & the choices we would make in others shoes , but given reality & the moment of truth we react with out thought , & panic ! Sad all around . The Armchair Quarterback commenters need not judge you weren't there @ the jury only hears what they are allowed . Have you ever been a juror on a murder trial ??? I have , Shut Up !!!
Listened to the entire case and the defense has never been able to convince me that Zimmerman was not the real aggressor in a passive/aggressive manner. As a result of his aggression and then his "implied" weakness i.e., I am patrolling the neighborhood but am afraid of someone I am suspecting of. Come on!!! Give me a break! He was a wimp empowered by his gun who followed the young man and scared him to the point where Trayvon had to protect himself and he shot him because he was a wimp. This whole boloney that did the state prove prove this just makes me understand how screwed we are in a situation like this. He killed him and he did not have to....bottom line!
Exactly, Outraged. You don't have to shoot to kill. GZ could have been killed by having his head smashed for however long Trayvon would have desired. Shooting isn't the only means to kill someone. (Yes, I know what you intended to say.)
"You don't have to shoot to kill."
You do if you are aiming at a thug.
Juiceloose, I didn't say an altercation didn't happen. I saw the photos of Zimmerman's face. Its just confusing as to why Martin had no injuries to his hands. The problem is people tend to shoot first, question later. Self defense or not, you killed an unarmed man. You need to face judgement.
The only "unarmed man" is one without arms. Fists can be deadly, too.
Know it all thug , thought he was tuff !!! " you got a problem " profiling bull crap !!! Act like a duck , walk like a duck ... Well ??? Enjoy your short do nothing good thug life !
PA GIRL and Mary Pav are wrong on the facts--this happened at 7:15 p.m. and no one was "out after curfue" [sic]. Follow the transcripts please before you mouth off.
At the end of the day, none of this would have happend if Zimmreman did not pursue Martin! I see suspious people all the time; black, white, asian, hispanic. You know what I do? Call the POLICE!!! That BS man killed someones 17 year old child. Period! For all those you agree with Zimmerman protecting himself, then if something like this happens to your 17 year old child and he dies, make sure we hear you say loud and clear "My son deserved to die"
The only one that has grounds for self defense is the child that was being followed by a stranger.
This case has clearly been stired up by the race division inciters. As someone who's neither white nor black, and having followed the trial closely, it doesn't appear this case would have been so special if this was no stir up from the likes of black activists and media who pre-sentenced GZ even before the trial is open. Yes, it's unfortunate that TM is dead, but that doesn't justify criminalizing GZ simply because he's half white and shot dead a black. Again, going back to something every body knows (but may be unwilling to say), if this is a black-black case, no one would give a damn about it. Or if GZ is black and TM is white, and GZ killed TM because of race, you won't hear anything in the media or from Al Sharpton either.
Hoodies , Skittles & Arizona should be outlawed !!! LOL
It may be that Mr. Zimmerman acted with malice, instigated the fight, and killed Mr. Martin without actually fearing for his live or grave bodily harm.
The problem is that it is not shown with evidence, and the physical evidence that exists is generally supportive of Mr. Zimmerman's testimony. That is why the prosecution is making an emotional appeal; the facts don't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Zimmerman did these things. If the facts were on their side, they would let the facts speak for themselves.
Without evidence to prove the prosecution's speculation about Mr. Zimmerman's motives and what really happened, it is all just innuendo and fallacy. It is possible to win court cases with this type of John Edwards style appeals to emotion, but the risk is that you will throw a lot more innocent people when there was no malice, mens rea, or actual crime.
I don't know that Mr. Zimmerman is guilty in reality. But I do know that the evidence proving a crime is scant and that we should not want a society where a person can be jailed for life with scant evidence.
How long is the recess for lunch?
Yes fists can be deadly. Zimmerman was the adult in this circumstance, Martin the teen. Zimmerman failed in his judgement he should of made an adult decision. Simply walk away, his legs weren't injured, were they.
You all think this is frustrating , wait until the Verdict !!! All the crazies move to Florida !!!
foxykris, did you forget GZ did call the police?
Zimmerman deserves to go to prison today! He followed this child and caused him to be afraid, he is lucky that all he got were a few bruises. Trayvon lost his life so Zimmerman should lose his.
In all of everyones arguments of guilty or not guilty I get the same impression from both sides "what if" soI ask isn't what if "reasonable doubt "the question is not what's right or wrong.
Perhaps reasonable doubt is there for jury and they will find him not gulity, but Zimmerman is still the worst. In the USA, American Citizens walking down the street and minding their own business have the right to be left alone and in peace without some weirdo neighborhood watch zealot starting starting something with them. I wouldn't want some 29 year-old dude randomly coming up to my kid in the street. Zimmerman is among the lowest of the low.
a lot of people make their own judgement about this case purely due to race bias and emotions, regardless of evidence provided, and many don't even understand that GZ is presumed innocent unless there's strong evidence beyond doubt to convict GZ. If you charge GZ is profiling TM (there's no evidence for that at all, it's all presumed by the prosecution, with the "would be, could be" kind of speculation instead of evidence) because you think he's half white and must have killed a black due to race, aren't you the one that's really profiling? Who's innocent and who's guilty here in making this judgement?
Child! Then where were the parents....they should've walked or drove him to the store!
Child! Then where were the parents....they should've walked or drove him to the store!
No what if is figuring that Zimmernan's stories are bull, which means he's guilty. He's covering up what lead up to the confrontation and the struggle. I don't believe Trayvon slammed George Zimmerman's head into the concrete but he slipped backwards while chasing down Trayvon in the wet rain. Remember it was raining
Jackson ... "child" ??? Really ??? If Travon was alive , I bet he would argue he was a "Man" !!! I guessing you are Black ?
Who was providing the beating Zimmerman?
when the police told him to stop following him that meant stop following him that was not meant to shoot him ) :
I like the Florida's Pursue you Prey law....
I just can't see where the jury can convict this guy..I mean it's clear from the evidence presented,,unless you're deaf, dumb and blind,,,,or a RACIST,, that the verdict must be NOT GUILTY. I know the jesse jackson and al sharpton and barry soetoro fueled black community has waved the hell out of the race card but that doesn't change the facts. Despite threats of riots from the black communities I firmly believe those six women will "man- Up" and return a not guilty verdict.
I just can't see where the jury can convict this guy..I mean it's clear from the evidence presented,,unless you're deaf, dumb and blind,,,,or a RACIST,, that the verdict must be NOT GUILTY. I know the jesse jackson and al sharpton and barry soetoro fueled black community has waved the hell out of the race card but that doesn't change the facts. Despite threats of riots from the black communities I firmly believe those six women will "man- Up" and return a not guilty verdict.
when the police told him to stop following him that meant stop following him that was not meant to shoot him ) :
George Zimmerman is GUILTY of manslaughter, 2nd degree is a stretch
Zimmerman is guilty he shot a child,he could of gave treyvon a nonlethal shot like a flesh wound to back him off of him but instead he took it into his own hands that's not rite he deserves to go to jail no matter what its still murder on a CHILD
GUILTY..zimmerman was one with incentive to approach martin..martin was running away and didnt martin have a right to defend himself..had zimmerman backed off wait for police or simply introduced himself that poor CHILD would be alive
Ok let us us some common sense here. What is the job of a neighbor watch person..... WATCH .... he should have stayed in his car and call the police and let them take care of it.
hes guilty give him the death penalty !!!!!!!!!!
12345, you make a good point that people should be free to walk down the street without being challenged.
In general, I agree wholeheartedly.
But you ignore some other issues. It was after dark. It was raining and Martin had no umbrella or rain gear. He was reportedly walking slowly and checking out houses. That is odd and suspicious behavior in a neighborhood that had been having a crime problem.
I would have been content to just call the cops. Do I think that Zimmerman following what he considered a suspicious individual was criminal? No. Do I think Trayvon Martin was confrontational in return, and perhaps went out of his way to teach the cracker a lesson about stalking him? Quite possibly.
Zimmerman comes across as more of a wimp who got in over his head rather than a predator.
Regardless of the outcome it's clear Zimmerman is NOT GUILTY.
But, I'm wondering how a teenager in TEXAS can be locked up for 4 months for posting something on facebook which he added JK and LOL but, Mikhail Muhammad, Black Panther Group, can post a $10K bounty on George Zimmerman's head! OK, he got arrested for something else in MAY but isn't there a law against trying to hire someone to kill another person in AMERICA.
WHY HASN'T THE NEWS MEDIA COVERED THIS AND WHY ARE WE TOLERATING THESE ACTIONS FROM A BLACK PANTHER GROUP? BY THE WAY, IS IT LEGAL TO HAVE A "WHITE PANTHER GROUP" OR DOES THAT BREAK ALL DIVERSITY LAWS IN AMERICA......This is really unbelievable. Prayers with GZ
if martin was not black nobody would be in court right no
If you see a person that you find strange in your neighborhood, you have no right to ask, to follow the person.
The boy gave him a beating; Zimmerman received blows to his face and head. The pathologist in his testimony indicated that the young man was on top. Now he is only 17 years old and you are the person at the bottom and he is on top of you beating you to dead. What you would do?
what we know to be factual about the actions of george zimmerman and trayvon martin, we know from gz's 911 call:
1. we know that gz harbored irrational disdain for tm
2.we know that he acted upon that disdain by stalking tm
3.we know that tm realized that he was being stalked by gz
4. we know that gz was aware that he had been identified and continued to stalk tm anyway
5.we know that, even though tm didnt want to run away, he did so anyway as an attempt to get away from gz
6.we know that gz was unwilling to allow tm to escape and persued tm into the darkness while armed with a handgun with a round in the chamber
7.we know that gz caught tm
8.we know that gz shot and killed tm
given the only facts of the case, is it not absurd to suggest that it was gz and not tm who was in fear for thier life unless we also, on some level, subscribe to the same irrational disdain that motivated gz to take actions that resulted in the death of an innocent teenage boy?
In a murder trial, it is not adequate to think that somebody might be guilty. You have to have proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the person is guilty. Which further means that people should come at this from the position that a person is innocent, and only when overwhelming evidence is presented to the contrary find them guilty. That is the burden that exists - the burden of proof. It protects you and me from unjust incarceration.
African Americans arguing for easing the burden of proof (in this case) should consider the statistics of prisons in America. African Americans account for nearly 40% of prison inmates, but make up only 13.6% of the population. Do we really want to ease the burden of proof to just include suspicion? What would such a change mean for minorities who already find themselves disproportionately jailed?
People should celebrate the high burden of proof required in criminal cases, and require hard evidence of wrongdoing in situations where there is a tragedy or bad outcome.
It's ridiculous. How about that poor white mother down south that was walking her 15 month old white baby and two black boys tries robbing her and shot her baby right in the head and killed him. I guess we won't make a big deal of that because it was the other way around. Sickening.
not guilty
bk3, your post is a joke, isn't it? replace "we know" with "you speculate" is more proper
bk3, every "fact" you just listed, except for #3 and #8, is actually your personal speculation rather than an actual fact. #3 and #8 that you listed are claimed by both sides, so I agree those are actual facts.
All of the other things you posted are just your projection. Each is denied by the defense, and there is no physical evidence showing any of these.
Facts are things like "The forensic lab certifies that DNA evidence beneath the victims fingernails matched the suspect."
Not "we know that tm didn't want to run away but he did anyway."
It's is scary how ignorant most of the people posting on here are. Even if he profiled him, that is not a crime. Even if he followed him, that is not a crime. Does anyone know exactly where Zimmerman was when the dispatcher told him that they didn't need him to follow him? The answer is no. Only Zimmerman knows that. So all these people saying that he got out of the car and chased him down after the dispatcher stated that have no idea what they are talking about. They are only speculating based own their emotions in this case. Our justice system is supposed to work on facts and what is provable beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman was not truly defending himself. You can can claim racism, protest, or say he must be convicted because the black community won't stand for a acquittal but that doesn't address what is provable in a court of law. It is a shame that people so uninformed of our legal system are out voting for our elected officials. If you ever become a defendant in a trial you will be praying that you receive jurors who are informed and able to sort fact from emotion. Unfortunately you don't want to give that to Zimmerman because it won't fit the narrative that sharpton and the media created.
The black community wasn't complaining when OJ got off and they has a lot stronger case against him.
Georgie porgie should spend some donations on depends and vaseline. He is gona crap his pants when found guilty.
Oh ! BK3 ....... what are you watching ??? Your wrong on most all of what you said ! Thank God your not on the Jury ! Maybe you were for Casey Anthony ! LOL
the only racist thing about this trial is racism toward zimmerman which is not even white hahahaha it was clearly self defense trayvon was like 7in taller and is way better shape than zimmerman.....just stop the drama zimmerman will be free soon....as he should be.
broken america... whites supporting GZ, blacks supporting TM. No objectivity anywhere.
My verdict: manslaughter. GZ shouldn't go unpunished. Should get 5 yrs, and probation after half the time. He should not have profiled TM, should have stayed in his car as instructed, should not have used his weapon. Whatever you think of TM, he did nothing wrong that night that deserved being stalked and shot dead. Is that so hard to see?
Not guilty. From the actual evidence, there is a REASONABLE DOUBT that Zimmerman was not the aggressor and acted in self-defense. And, that is all you need to prove in a criminal case. Not hypothetical situations, but from facts presented.
@Tex, Finally! Another person who understands the judicial system and how laws work in this country. I agree completely with how scary and disheartening it is to see such ignorance, and in such large amounts.
JD & Tex ... Right on ! Most of the worlds problems are based on MIS communication & extreme lack of proper education !!!
Not true. If a black man gun down a white kid armed or unarmed hes faci.g life in prison/w no parole.
Not Guilty....
The state did not even come close to proving its case.
There is a race problem in this country led by the white black Obama, the white and black left and their plantation black hispanics and black blacks!!!
George Zimmerman is a murderererrer!!!!
Lol, c'mon now is anyone actually watching the case? all evidence says his head was being slammed into the ground, if that doesn't constitute self defense idk what does...
Zimmerman had his gun out when the confrontation started?
No evidence GZ's head was being "slammed" - no bruising on head, no eyewitnesses. He has a couple cuts. His life wasn't in danger. I'm guessing he shot out of anger from getting punched.
As he should be Karen ! George didn't gun down anyone ! What we have heard says he feared for his life because Travon tried to reach for his gun to shoot him , true or not he freaked & it was self defense ! Little thug thought he was tuff & & told him your gunna die tonight ! He probably should have just choked on his Skittles , so his family could have sued the candy company ! I see it every day @ work ... Chip off the shoulder I deserve my share people !!!!
Where's the evidence his head was "slammed" into the ground?? There is none. Made-up!
If the victim was white the sheriff would not have had to talk about not getting violent. Any excuse to be criminal. So terribly sorry Trayvon lost his life but George Zimmerman should not pay with his. Innocent!
Trainwreck- Once again, profiling is not a crime. Once again, there is no proof that Zimmerman was in his car when dispactor told him that and then he still got out. Most of the evidence points to Zimmerman already being out of his car before the dispatcher said that. Do you have any facts to support the claim that he should not have used his weapon? According to him he was being beaten and felt he was in harm. It is legal to use deadly force in that situation. It is not illegal to carry a weapon even if you don't agree with him. The legal system is not setup so that we can just say that "he shouldn't go unpunished, I feel like he deserves 5 years". The prosecution must bring up charges and then convince a jury he is guilt beyond a reasonable doubt of that offense.
Karen- that comment is based on emotion and not fact. Show me a case where a black man shot a white 17 year old in self defense and was sent to prison. The case needs to have similar details to truly be able to compare.
What Does Paula Dean have to Say LOL
Thank goodness for neighbors who look out for one another. If GZ wanted to shoot TM, he would not have called police. GZ committed no crime. TM was acting in a suspicious manner, tresspassing on lawns and looking in the windows og GZ's neighbors. According to the sign at the entrance, suspicious persons will be reported to police. GZ was afraid of TM. He was concerned for his own safety and that of his family when he realized that he had given his address out aloud. GZ was not looking for a confrontation. TM was probably hiding within earshot, sensed GZ's fear and used that to his advantage (we now know that he was severely mistaken or outright lied to his friend, Rachel, when he told her he had stopped running because he was near his Daddy Fiancé house). May Got bless both the Martin and Zimmerman families. Trayvon's youthful hubris and indiscretion cost him his life. I'm sure he is trying to break through to apologize to his family and give them that message. Hopefully, his Mom knows by now. She sent him to live with his Dad to try and keep him out of trouble. She did it to save Trayvon. It didn't work but his Mom did nothing wrong. Neither did his Dad who knows Trayvon was the aggressor. May justice be done... May George Zimmerman be acquitted so that Trayvon Martin may rest in peace. Amen.
George is not guilty if Travon was that scared he would of ran all the way home.
George is not guilty. It was self defense.
Florida is a strange state. White mother kills white 3 year old child and gets NOTHING NOTHING AT ALL. But feel this jury will find manslaughter just so there will not be violent protests. But do they realize he can get 30 years and the judge as many have said does seem biased so he will get the maximum. This is America we should not have to fear for our lives from other citizens who threathen violence to get an unfair verdict.
there was never a case it was self defense but the state made it racial
This is a landmark trial for the new kardashian America. If a black football player high on marijuana starts beating you to death, it is against the law to defend yourself. The judge is totally cowed and has been rigging the trial to appease the black man. Can't admit trayvon a cell phone photos of hand guns and pot. Adding manslaughter at last minute.
The greatest of the prosecutor's facts died when Trayvon died. So I am glad they didn't try to re-enact the encounter with visuals and cartoons as did the defense. Instead, they stuck with what they had for facts and did a great job in my opinion. He has to be found guilty, you should not be allowed to provoke a person through stalking and then cry self-defense. If Zimmerman were so in fear for this life why didn't he come back swinging, why didn't he bite Trayvon's hand??? Show me he attempted to use some other source of defense to fight off this "thug"?
The state never used the "race" card. The defense did.
Zimmerman himself know that he killed that innocent boy out of hatred ness . I want the world to watch how he was sweating when asked whether he want to testify.He is guilty that final.
Trayvon is my black Jesus! Shame on all whites! We are guilty for slavery! I'm adopting a black boy! Please don't kill me, Mr. Black Man. Proud of my president Barack Obama! I drive a Prius!
I believe that Trevon was casing houses to find another to rob.
that's why zimmerman is on trail because it is all about race if they dud not go to court there would be riots you all know it is so true
Anyone else find it odd how the judge reminded Zimmerman that he had the right to remain silent and then forced him to answer her questions? Silly judge! Don't you know the laws?
Whether or not Zimmerman needed to pull a gun is irrelevant after you consider that he 'created' the whole situation, unprovoked based on bias's. I don't care your state of mind, you need to be responsible not to create and go out of your way to create these types of situations. Trayvon Martin was only responding to actions from Zimmerman, and is not guilty, he was defending himself. Zimmerman is responsible for the whole tragedy. HE IS GUILTY FOR THE LOSS OF AN INNOCENT LIFE! RIP Trayvon Martin.
Been watching the coverage on CNN. Most of the commentators and guest Attorney's have been good and impartial, however Sunny Hosten is the most biased and racially motivated person I've seen. Surprised CNN hasn't fired her yet....
GB, first of all learn some grammar. 2nd he was sweating because the judge was out of line and wasn't to ask that until the defense rested. They still had two more witnesses....whats wrong wtih people on here? If anything he was an overzealous neighborhood watch rep not a racist.
Hello Neat... The evidence is that George Zimmerman is soft, not at all athletic, and does not know how to throw a punch... He tried crying out for help many times... He tried to squirm his way out from under Trayvon Martin... When Trayvon Martin saw the gun and attempted to get it, all else having failed, George Zimmerman used the gun.
George Zimmerman deserved to have his head beaten into the ground for all the mistakes he made. He just so happened to have a gun to protect himself from an incident he created! It's not as if TM was actually breaking into a home. Innocent until proven guilty! How can anyone not think he is at least guilty of manslaughter, of which was senseless to begin with. He's responsible for the whole terrible mess and the loss of an INNOCENT young man, no matter how steadfastly TM was protecting himself.
All we learned from this trial is that liberal whites prefer blacks to Hispanics.
I was truly followed a couple of times while walking home at night when growing up. It was scary. If I had a phone, I would have called my family to tell them what was going on and someone would have come out to meet me. Since we didn't have phones, I screamed bloody murder so that everyone within a few block radius could hear me, including my family... Both times, my Dad came rushing out to help me.
Liberal whites actively support a culture of black dominance. Trayvon tried to establish dominance and George blocked it. Thus, liberal whites call for George's head.
it looks good for zimmerman they want all evidence thats good beacuse there is not alot of evidence
Mother of Son .... Your poor son ! Your an idiot !!! Raise another trayvon thug , you haven't watched a thing ! Probably cant read cursive either !
Had Travon survived-He undoubtedly would have been charged with Assault or attempted murder!!!
Thankful Neighbhor, thank you for your comment. Please don't forget it was not proven who was crying out for help. And does it really matter who was screaming really??? But if it were proven that Zimmerman was screaming, he initiated the entire encounter by stalking Trayvon. And in your comments you even know how scary that can be...why can't you realize that Travyon was as scared as you were when it happened to you???
Travon Matin's mother, father and friend perjured themselves and should be prosecuted.
Skittles and Marijuana, hmmmm?
All Female Jury. If even one jurist is a Black woman, then it will be a very long weekend indeed. The verdict would then end up split, resulting in a "hung jury". This will cause community relationship problems with the authorities. Ditto with a formal jury verdict of "not guilty". However, a guilty verdict for voluntary manslaughter would not cause any issues in the Hispanic population as it would in the black community. Color matters even more in politics these days than it ever did back in the days of Dr. Martin Luther King.
I agree with Juror 1
The most arrogant and racist plea I have ever heard. Lawyers speak indirectly, the plea here being "of course you would have convicted Travvon if the roles were reversed precisely because he was a young black man so now you should convict Zimmerman.
I agree with both Jurors 1 and 2.
Thank's for the support Juror's 2 and 3
Hi Neat. Thanks. I hear ya... Very little was proven in this case. Given the question I was responding to, though, the premise was that Zimmerman should have tried to do something to else to defend himself before using the gun. It makes sense to me that the person in need of help to defend himself would be the one crying out for help... I could be wrong, but, I found John Good's testimony to be very insightful in that regard. Sorry that we disagree... I would't characterize George Zimmerman's actions as "stalking"... Perhaps Trayvon was as scared as I was... I wish he had used a non-violent method to deal with his fear... Continuing to run to his Daddy Fiancé house was an option that he decided against, even when his friend Rachel suggested it. Another non-violent option would have been to used his phone to get help... Unfortunately, I think Trayvon decided to fight... And I'm convinced that he committed an assault upon George Zimmerman.
I find the comments that Trayvon Martin did nothing provoking to be speculative at best.
It is alleged by the defense and Mr. Zimmerman that Trayvon Martin hid in bushes, popped out attacked Zimmerman in a ambush - a claim that has been made by Zimmerman all along. When told by police that there may be video of the incident by a police officer - and not knowing of some neighbor had caught it all on a cell phone - Zimmerman responded "Thank God!"
Zimmerman had scalp lacerations, a bloody face, and a broken nose. That is not disputed.
Perhaps there were things Zimmerman could have done to have prevented the conflict... but Mr. Martin could also have prevented a conflict by just walking home, or calling his dad on his cell phone, or calling the police, or doing anything but ambushing Zimmerman.
To Just say in this is Mrs. Jackson and I am Black and proud of it. You are too afraid to even use your name. You are nothing but a coward that need to go and hide behind your white hood. White trash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not guilty all counts.
If I had some dude on me bashing my head, and I had a gun in my pocket - red, yellow, black, or white, he's leaving in a body bag. Simple as that.
Not guilty.
If you were a Caucasian juror on this case, would you worry about persecution - being called a racist, reprisals from the black community, even violence - if you were to return a "Not Guilty" verdict?
No matter what the facts show, you know it has to be weighing on their minds. If a juror's house were to burn down one night in a couple of weeks, there is a large segment of America that would feel that Trayvon finally got justice.
Ordinarilly, I don't read blogs (I'm old school). But my daughter talked about the hateful, ugly comments that are being posted, so I wanted to see for myself. I have reviewed quite a bit of what's being said. Now I'd like to add my $.02. First... let's remove the aspect of race. GZ nor TM have a racial identity. Now, what we're left with is two guys out for whatever reasons. TM left his location to grab some snacks for the game about to come on tv. GM left his location to "watch" the neighborhood; walk the dog (btw - what happened to the dog?); (btw - who walks a dog with a car?). Okay - TM did in fact, purchase his snacks as was shown on the convenient store's video surveillance. The clerk did not consider him suspicious at all. There was no confrontation about his appearance, or what business he had being out at 7pm (not after curfew). So TM purchased his snacks and went about his business.
On the other hand, GZ, self-proclaimed Neighborhood Watchman is out for SOME reason. There's no dog, so we have to assume he is WATCHING the neighborhood. How well does he know "the neighborhhood" he watches.... and even more importantly... how well does "the neighborhood" know HIM??? You see, there was no testimony from the residents at large. Did TM's dad, Tracey Martin know GZ. Were they even aware that a neighborhood watchman existed. How was GZ introduced to the residents. Did they convene a meeting? Did GM take the initiative to get to know his neighbors or was he watching the neighborhood for the 3 or 4 folks that claim to be his "friend"?
When a human being is met with fear, they DO NOT intentionally walk head into it. The natural tendency is to back away from fear. If GZ was fearful as he claims, he would have stayed/returned to his vehicle for shelter. He would not have been precariously been "looking for an address". I cannot buy into his explanations nor excuses. I think he made a critical mistake out of sheer cockiness and he will live to regret his actions.
TM was probably no saint, but he didn't deserve to die by the suspicion of an over-zealous "do-gooder". Afterall, TM had as much right to be in the neighborhood as GZ. How many of us would allow someone to walk up on them and feel obligated to explain why they are minding their own business. You would probably look at that person like they're CRAZY and tell them to "get out of your face!" For whatever reason TM reacted the way he did should not ever be cause for losing his life. We are THE MOST violent society on planet earth, and will see it get worse if we don't curb our anger, and self-centeredness before we fall as a nation all together. PEACE!
Guy said this child what if the shoe was on the other foot he wouldn't be a child they would try him as a adult I say not guilty I would have done the same thing
Why has the crime rate in the sub division dropped substantially since the incident?
Yes- Fifty percent plus drop in robberies since the incident. Not much to interpret there
I love all of the Trayvon apologist that continually claim in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that Trayvon did not do anything worth dying for. The facts are undisputed that he did punch George in the face; that he did mount him MMA style and pummel him with a barrage of strikes. If you were in George's position I assume you would have just laid there and hoped that Trayvon stopped beating you.
Forget about anything. You know that he will be found guilty either way. And you know you can't argue with me about this one either. You know what will happen if he is found not guilty. Exactly what would have happened if OJ Simpson was found guilty. You get my point. None of you are dumb.
Did anyone read the court papers on the fact that Zimmerman couldn't of pulled his gun from where it was till Martin got up off him. That fact proves Martin was attempting to get up and maybe leave, why didnt Zimmerman attempt to walk away, or run in that time period. No he shot Martin instead. Again a bad example of a decision he chose, the adult in this circumstance. So many choices Zimmerman had, each one wrong.
Prosecution could not resist race comment at the end.If I was on the jury and asked to reverse the folks my result would be the same.The inference to the white jury being we know you are racists therefore treat Z as if he were a black and convict. Can't be more insulting to good people doing their best to fulfill their duty. This case is interesting from a true race relations insight of america. I have watched several networks coverage by black male and female reports lawyers. I am encouraged that the majority were objective and sticking to the facts and pertinent law devoid of emotions. There were the usual race baiters Sharpton Jackson and radical far left professors. No surprise thats how they make their bucks. Hate pays for some in this country and pays very very well. If I hadn't seen Mr. Z after listening to these disgusting zealots I would be sure Mr. Z was a white man. I even heard him referred to as a white-hispanic whatever the heck that is. Really then these race baters are barfing anti white hatred here when there is not a white man involved.No matter that they use the horrible death of a young black man as a vehicle to spit their venom at us. The only thing they accomplish other than placing their mugs once again in front of a camera is to incite lesser intelligent young blacks and enable white racists to further their own hatred. By the way if the characters were actually reversed here are some things the prosecution would not see. The president and
the top law enforcement officer of the USA speak out. A special prosecutor appointed and a sitting grand jury side stepped. The black chief of police forced to resign. The black lead investigator demoted. Bus loads of demontrators arriving in town. So you tell me this is not a Political Selective Race Based Prosecution. Too bad for the Pols in Fla. Z wasn't a 6' 200 lb. blond haired blue eyed Wall St. investment banker. They would have had it all. Unfortunately, even that would not bring back this young man or ease in any way the torment of loss his family as well as the Z family will endure forever. God Bless the USA.
Ok am so trying to look at this objectively. I was in the beginning on board with this idiot killed a kid. But after watching each minute last few weeks... Here is my concern that is the only that makes a difference to the idea of Trevon had rights [right to defend himself when a guy was following him]. That is So So So true. Yes a very scary thing where people with guns just follow people with NO Cause. Yet, my lesson to this and my children would be is Run Home. What I heard today was 4 minutes. Trevon had 4 Minutes... 4 minutes to run few hundred feet more to go home and be with his family who was also home. Go home and call police.
I don't see any rights he has at this point to approach or if HE didn't approach him... It gives them both the SAME RIGHTS to be at the T-Section. They were both legally members of that neighborhood. Can anyone tell me differently? Because if I have 4 minutes to run (if I'm already running)... I would be home in less than 2 if it was only few hundred feet. Not 4 minutes later be at the same T-Section that Zimmerman was on. By The Way... his home was on the other side of the T-Section, so its not like he had to go through that T to get home.
I believe that the guilt of Mr. Zimmerman began early on when he got out of his vehicle with a loaded weapon, with the intent to use it to stop a burglery, against police dispatch decision............
If Trevon was climbing into a window or breaking into a car then there would be probable cause to use his weapon, but that wasn't the issue at all. George had the intent when he got out of the vehicle and he completed his intent. He killed an innocent young man....Period....Guilty..... None of the other media crap matters.......George Zimmerman is guilty of murder........
Scum of the earth deserves to rot in prison, or be haunted by Trayvon's dead body in his sleep and everywhere he turns for the rest of his life. He profiled this young boy and shot him in cold blood.
You have to be real racist and dumb to believe Zimmerman is not guilty and should go free. John Good should have been brought back to the stand. He said on the 911 call to the dispatcher, after her heard the gunshot, that he thinks a black guy just got shot, How did he know that when he said he went straight inside to call police after seeing Trayvon on top of Zimmerman? If he saw Trayvon as the aggressor how the hell did he know he is the one who got shot? Prosecution slept at the wheel of this case. 2nd Degree could have been proven if they had just paid attention to the critical moments. Why was the Asian neighbour so brave to go outside after the shot and help Zimmerman by taking pictures of the scene. why would he trust Zimmerman?? Why did they use those same photos for the case? When Zimmerman walked into the Police office, he was much cleaner. Why was his jacket so clean at the back and not mentioned and focused earlier on. That is key, How can someone have you ALONG the concrete, bashing your head 25 times, but you only have 2 scrapes and your clothes are clean as ever, Why was zimmerman's nose not completely broken after the numerous punches he received. This is what I think really happened. Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon's sweater to hold unto him, that is why the thread of his sweater was pulled, Trayvon pulled back and they both lost balance and fell, since they are not balanced in height, and the grass would have been wet so that would help them to slip. Zimmerman ended up on top when they fell, that is why Trayvon said get off me, get off me. Then Trayvon managed to push him off and go on top of him, this happened in the grass, hence the tiny cuts.on the back of Zimmerman's head then Zimmerman butt him in the head to get him off him, that is why his nose bled, because it connected , with Trayvon's face . and the reason why no bruises apparent or blood on Trayvon's right hand. Then after he butt him in the head, Trayvon was forced to come up, obviously his sweater will still be weighed down, then right at that moment when he pulled forward, Zimmerman shot him in the heart point blank. This is my case.
By the way, Zimmerman had his gun out before the time he claimed, that is why it was so easy to shoot Trayvon has he was forced to come up after he butt him in the face to get Trayvon off him.
There were no 4 mins available, that was the time, Zimmerman took to search for Trayvon Martin. Trayvon had stopped running because he thought he lost Zimmerman. Remember he saw him in a car not on foot. Zimmerman got out of his car, he knew all the corners of the neighbourhood and he went and hunted down the boy, while the boy had stopped running thinking he was safe. He even started talking to his friend on the phone again, then he said he saw the creepy man again. I strongly believe Trayvon stopped running also because he lost his way, due to not knowing the place that well and it being dark, all the houses basically look a like and he was scared as hell.
America is country filled with people who have to kill for no reason. . I was followed by a black car on my way home from school in the bright day not even night and I ran into an Avenue and saw a couple and ask for help, by the time we walked back out, the car was gone. I was 16 yrs old and it is obvious that if I did not run, I would have been kidnapped, raped and killed. America is filled with people who hurt children daily, no other country abuses children like America, yet you have so many laws and child services for Child's rights. Really? I don't blame the Prosecution for calling Zimmerman a child molester. He knew Trayvon was a kid, he even said it on his 911 call. America is going to be brutally punished by God, for racism, senseless murders and abuse on not only adults but mostly children. I would never live in America ever again, neither will make a child of mine even visit there.
There was no blood or bruising whatsoever in Trayvon's hands. Not one bit.
That, to me, makes the entire case of GZ's a damn lie.
Ladies REMEMBER . .. It is like Playing with two Dolls.... One Black...
I've read many of the comments here. What I see is that "those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still". The evidence clearly supports Zimmerman. Many of the comments that I have read in this blog concerning Zimmerman's guilt are from people who are obviously misinformed, uninformed or racially biased. Why do whites overwhelmingly support the innocence of Zimmerman (a hispanic), while blacks overwhelmingly support Trevon? If I was approached and attacked by a bigger individual and he punched me in the face, knocked me to the ground and was bashing my head into the ground (concrete), I would have been in fear of my life as well and would have done the same as Zimmerman. He only shot him once. If he was deliberately trying and wanting to kill Trevon, he would have shot him many times. People not supporting Zimmerman either don't have all the facts or just had a preconceived idea that they can't or won't reconsider.
Your reasoning is of a 2 year old, to really believe that Trayvon gave Zimmerman all those beatings. Plus it is obvious you believe it is okay that Zimmerman should have followed Trayvon ot begin with. Black men should be aware of you. Also, Shot him once? Are you for real? Shooting someone only once, is a sign that he did not want to hurt him.? You are as evil as Zimmerman, he shot him in the HEART, for crying out loud. If someone shoots you in the heart, they could never want you to live. you have poor reasoning abilities and you are obviously racist and glad Zimmerman shot Trayvon, as you would have done the same. You did not even take the time out to spell the boy's name correctly. This shows your obvious disregard for his life, just like Zimmerman. I leave you all racist people to the numerous serial killers in your country. I hope you don't have kids, because it will be a white serial killer who will kill them not a black guy.
Hi outraged.....,glad you don't live here and please keep your promise and don't visit or breed any more deranged, racists here. we've got enough haters, sh-t stirs, wannebe corporation blackmailers, and delugioned paranoids to deal with already...oh and by the way don't dial 911 for help from the good ole USA if or when the next despot dictator buries what ever zone you're from....VERY, VERY,VERY PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, LOVE THIS COUNTRY...STILL THE ONE MOST PEOPLE WANT TO IMMIGRATE TO,LEGAL OR ILLEGAL.
ScottF ... Kudos to You !!! To be Non Bias , you must review All the Facts & Non Facts !!! Listen , Learn & be Fair !!! Use your Common sense ... Put your Personally Vendettas aside & erase All Color & Race First . It Must be Without a Reasonable Doubt !!! Even if you Don't like it ! I See where People are Confused , there were big errors made by both individuals . It is Sad & Very unfortunate that a life was taken , but if you have all the information & studied the case for months as I have , It Is What It Is !
Totally agree with Scott F. Those who feel this trial is about race are ignorant to the facts. Race has nothing to do with this case.
This is hideous and jus out I jus dont believe the defense story!! If u would use common since all the evidence point to zimmerman being the aggressor!! He stalked treyvon and it led to a confrontation that ended up killing a 17 year old unarmed child!! We are not safe anymore it just sad that our kids r not safe to go anywhere without them getting killed!! That was a baby that went up against a grown man!! And even tho zimmerman had scratches, it still didnt give him the reason to take that baby's life!! A wrong assumption that took his life!! He won't b able to grow old have kids and love life all bc zimmerman ended his life in explainable!! What is this world coming to to where we have to wonder about the safety of our kids!! Trevon could have been ur child!! Let justice be serves!! And about the yelling on the 911 call that was a baby crying out for help!! Bc when the gun shot went off the yelling stop and that's bc that baby life was taken and he could yell anymore!!
Praying for treyvon martins family
Lord please let justice be served
The testimony of ear and eye-witnesses supports George Zimmerman's account of what happened. His account was corroborated both in real-time by residents who called 911 and by statements given by residents within minutes and hours of the shooting. George Zimmerman could not have known at the time who "heard" or "saw" what, yet, the witnesses statements support his version of events. To imagine that things happened differently is futile. All of the evidence indicates that George Zimmerman told the truth.
From my observation, it appears that the Zimmerman trial has provided an opportunity for profiteering by both black and white. Unfortunately, the herd mentality will cause physical violence and forever change many lives for the worse. The profiteers will rise above the herd forever enriched by the less fortunate again!
This does temporarily turn attention from the 10% that determine, in large part, our standard of living for all of us, black, brown, white, etc.
Please Stop with the "Child" comments he was 17 ! Yes under 21 but you tell me what 17 year old , especially Male would beg to differ & would consider themselves a "Man" He Acted like he thought he was a Man , he has 4 proven Minutes to leave , hide , go home , call for help etc etc ... He returned to the T & punched George & got all Tuff with him, yes , he is not here to tell his side & yes George made big mistakes . This took place in a very short period of time . People react at first instinct without thought of the finality of the situation . A " Child" would have gone for help ! A " Child " would not be out in the rain walking around in the dark , looking in windows , smoking Pot , etc i could go on ! Yes , a child would enjoy Skittles & Watermelon Arizona Tea ! Each state has a different age for an adult , but I bet if you called Trayvon a Child to his face he would have most likely cursed @ you or started a confrontation ! As most Teens would do , think back when you were 17 ! Already thinking about being away from your parents & you know it all !
If this would have a young teenage girl in a hoodie, that G.Z. was following and she knew martial arts, put a hurt on G.Z. that was worse than what Trayvon Martin put on him, then he shot her, would we be this far? Hell no. If a woman or girl is being followed, like Trayvon's friend said he was, would that woman or girl have the right to confront G.Z. why is he following her? Just because there have been break-ins in that area, it doesn't give G.Z. the right to follow anyone. The impression the woman or girl is thinking, who is this in the dark! Maybe a rapist or pervert and she knew she could defend herself, would G.Z. have the right to stand his ground if she started kicking the crap out of him? This is what those women are going to do in that deliberating room and give Trayvon the same respect. No one has considered that and that's what wrong with this case..
Who is screaming for help?Nobody really knows which is reasonable doubt.The only eye witness to the screams testified that he thought it was Zimmerman screaming help.People may argue but putting an innocent man in jail for thirty years is not justice.Not Guilty.
I predict no verdict this weekend, and when the jury does render its "choice" , its likely to be a "hung jury". Why? The longer it takes to decide the less likely these 6 women will both decide and agree. Its near impossible for any group of women to arrive at a conclusion by themselves (without a man to provide leadership). So, the threat of riots is reduced at this point. We'll see this Monday, maybe.
Sorry Steve , I understand your comments but No Shoulda , Coulda Woulda 's Allowed !!! No speculating ! only facts !!! Only without a readonable Doubt ! Don't forget , we see & know more than the Jurors have to work with . They never got to see the pot results of Trayvon , his texts & photos of looking to get gun , his posts of fighting , his prior arrest, etc etc that is his advantage ! Also if you are connected to the news now the state didn't not include all the evidence ! Just in they fired the state tech guy for delegating facts info & evidence !!! He Just got fired moments ago !!! Unfair to Zimmerman ! & the jurors don't know this either !!!
CK ... Absolutely ! Someone is paying attention & being non bias ! All that matters is reasonable doubt , that's it , that's all that matters ! It must clear without any doubt ! Guess what people ... That's the whole problem there is way too much doubt & we are all frustrated by this & trying to recreate the story when we were not there ! It is what it is ! Like it or not ! This race crap is Bull !!!
Hello, Robert Black. Can you explain that again, please? Who just got fired and for what? Thanks.
Doug Adams you can say anything you want. I have done Jury duty before, and I have been looking on this case from day one. So I have looked at the facts too. The country I live in does not need America to get rid of any dictators. Your Country loves to interfere in other countries and ruin lives. Your country have completely destroyed Iraq and what happened? Your Soldiers lost their lives and limbs, and wives and children are left to suffer and mourn. They are not even properly taken care of by the State,. What was it all for? That the true culprit for 9/11 was killed in another country far from Iraq. America needs to check themselves and stop choosing senseless battles and choose wisely. Zimmerman will get acquitted because he has the support of Evil, but he will kill again, and I will see what you all say.
Just a thought ... Had Trayvon Martin been found by the police to be acting suspiciosly because he was goung into diabetic coma or because he had a concussion from slipping on wet pavement during his walk back from the store... And Trayvon Martin was in need of medical attention... would it have been okay, then, that George Zimmerman kept an eye on Trayvon Martin's whereabouts for the police to be able to locate him?
Hi , Thankful Neighbor , I am glued to HLN Headline News Verdict Watch , also back & forth with CNN . First the jurors wanted to break for lunch for an hour . The Judge insisted that they stay & deliberate thru lunch & the court would have lunch brought in for them . As for the other topic , the IT guy , forget his name at the moment because it is a difficult name , did testify for the state , but it backfired , he testified that the state did not include all of the evidence , and actually deleted info from the system , etc etc Jane Velez Mitchell had a stack of high lighted papers & statements from this IT guy . He told the truth on the stand ! The state just fired him today ! So sad because the jurors should have absolutely 100% . Very frustrating .
Thanks, Robert Black. I watched the trial and have been checking in once in a while today to see if the jury reached a verdict. Will have to tune in.
I think he should be found innocent. The state didn't prove anything.
Someone please explain to me why John Goods eye-witness testimony is not being talked about more by the media. Mr Good was 18 feet away and saw Zimmerman on the bottom screaming for help. Thats fact!!! not a family member saying its their son. I believe he is innocent!!
Those who view the entire media spectrum and then analize the FACTUAL, I MEAN FACTUAL EVIDENCEnot the contrived, invented (I would like it to be) evidence, opine in a organized thoughtful manner that makes common sense...those who blatantly and obviously do not, well they have rights to wrong
If u weren't there u really don't what happened
John Good said to 911 that he think a black guy just got shot, after he claimed to go back inside and call the police, why is no one paying attention to that. How did he suspect who got shot if he left the scene? He saw what happened and knew that zimmerman was the aggressor. It is obvious a lot of people got up most of the time during trial. I have been on vacation leave, and what I don't watch on TV is on the internet, I miss nothing. I found tons of holes in the defence case. Whoever don't want to see the truth or was not paying attention, then don't make up things or assume. You can't get your head bashed 25 times according to Zimmerman and be conscious enough to reach for a gun. It is obvious those who believe that have never been in a fight.
Besides that, the Jury is taking long because they had already decided Zimmerman was not guilty because the Defence was able to keep the Prosecution on their POV and away from evidences they were not looking at closely. However, after John Guy closed, they started to see the case in its totality and realise they may have to go back to the drawing board, that is why they are taking so long. All this time they were only seeing bits and pieces, but when it is put together the way John Guy did, no matter how racist you are, you will think for a moment. You will deep down see the lies of his story.
The truth is always hard to prove, because we live in an evil world. It is always easy to believe a lie, because the truth have more depth and is for those of a good mind and heart. That is why people have to tell huge lies to their bosses for not coming into work. The boss won't care or believe if you say, that you just did not feel up to it or you are tired. If you say you are very sick or someone died for you, they believe and sympathise. Liars are always favoured in this world. that is why today we have to see such a guilty man looking so innocent.
One last thing. anyone woman with common sense and any man who will be honest about themselves, they would say whenever a MAN does not want you to know the truth about his wrongs, he always always offer information before you ask. Anyone woman who dates men would know that. They tell you everything before you ask, because it stops you from questioning them further and believe them that they must be honest to tell the truth up front. Yeah right. Zimmerman almost got away with it without a trial, but another man never bought his story and saw that his actions wreaked Racism.
Good Luck America, because God does not like Ugly.
Outraged ... Your a Mess!
According to his testimony, John Good was looking down on the scene from his upstairs window while he was on the phone with 911 and saw Trayvon Martin laying on the ground after John Good heard the gunshot.
According to his testimony, John Good saw Trayvon Martin as the aggressor.
I am not a Mess, I just don't understand why Guns are so important to your country, and why those who kill in cold blood are so empathised with. However, you are can say what you want. I don't care.
it is more USA that is a MESS!! lol
You enjoy all that AMERICA has to offer but you hate AMERICA!!! HELLO!!! 9/11 was a tragic day for all true Americans which you obviously are not. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS CLEARLY MESSED UP!! YOU NEED TO READ THE 2ND AMMENDENT!!!
George Zimmerman is INNOCENT! INNOCENT! INNOCENT!!!
George is innocent after that go into Chicago and say hello
Those people (including and especially the defense attorneys) who argue about who was on top and who was on the bottom and think that THAT will determine who was the aggressor in this situation are absolute IDIOTS. It doesn't matter WHO was on the top. In a fight, at any given time, either party could be either on the top or the bottom.
Zimmerman's WHOLE DEFENSE rides on the fact that he got out of his car ONLY to find the name of a street in order to provide that name to the police. HOWEVER, during this time he was asked by the 911 dispatcher if he was FOLLOWING the young man, to which he responded YES. He DID NOT SAY, "No, I'm just looking for the name of the street so that I can provide you with an address." He clearly said, "YES." Yes, he was in fact following Trayvon Martin, as he had been all the while. ZIMMERMAN CLEARLY is a liar. He CLEARLY provoked the confrontation. HIS ENTIRE SELF-DEFENSE CLAIM IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT HE WAS NOT FOLLOWING TRAYVON, THEREFORE WHEN HE ENCOUNTERED TRAYVON, TRAYVON WAS THE AGGRESSOR. This is PREPOSTEROUS. I CANNOT BELIEVE how many of you are WILLING TO BELIEVE this LYING MURDERER! I am amazed at the of COMMON SENSE that is exhibited by the people of this country.
Zimmerman, if acquitted, WILL KILL AGAIN. In an interview, he explained he WAS NOT remorseful, he WOULD NOT do anything different, and this event was "GOD'S WILL." Really? Well, I hope "God's will" includes a few decades of Zimmerman staring at stone walls, jail cells, pre-paid phone calls, orange jumpsuits and bologna sandwiches.
The prosecution doesn't have a case.The prosecution has not proved nothing. Actually the prosecution did a good job at helping the defense prove self defense. For justice to be served in the case George Zimmerman needs to be found not guilty. While my heart goes out to the Martin Family this case has to be judge by the facts not the heart. Racism is not a factor in this case I just don't see it. When I was a llrandma told me in this world you have to look passed the wrapper and see what's n the heart.
God loves America and Americans what doesn't like an outraged person telling anyone they are not loved by the lord.
Zimmerman is guilty of at least man slaughter because he initiated the contact which led to the shooting. Stand Your Ground essentially requires that you have neutral aggression toward or demonstrate an attempt to avoid or evade the victim.
Zimmerman's verbal comments demonstrate a non-neutral perspective of Martin. Zimmerman's disobedience of the cops to remain in the vehicle demonstrates active pursuit. Zimmerman's description of Martin approach and retreat from his car provided him with an opportunity to observe Martin as someone who was not engaged in illicit activitiy. The location of Zimmerman's cellphone indicates he discarded it so that his hands would be free for other uses (ie, fighting or a gun).
Personally, Martin would have only gotten beat up if Zimmerman's MMA skills had been good. When he found out they weren't, he resorted to deadly force because he had a gun available.
The question is what will the jury decide.
Heavnerth well said. For the person who said I enjoy what America has to offer, that is BS, I have nothing to do with America. I rather live in South Korea than America..lol. What is in Zimmerman's heart is very Ugly, filled with hate. The mere fact that he shot the young boy in his HEART. He could have shot him in the arm or leg, he is a sick Murderer. he gets his high from a gun, that is why he wanted to be a police so badly. Not to serve but to KILL!! You can say all you want, Zimmerman will go free as you wish, but he will kill again. I am sure you will be defending him again. This is a wake up call for all Black People in the USA, that don't be fooled because you have a half black President, Most white people still hate you and even want to see the President dead. America was built by the blood, sweat and tears of Black people yet they are nothing to the rest of the people there, especially whites. Very sad situation. Watch the movie the "Help," and it shows how most white people really feel. There is a God, and one day one day, everyone will get their due for the wrongs they have done. Zimmerman can get away from man but not God. Peace Out, I have said all I wanted to say now.
George Zimmerman DID NOT get his head bashed into the sidewalk like he insists. He had TWO scratches on his head...TWO. They were a few CENTIMETERS in length. As an example of the result of a similar fight that Zimmerman described, my brother was unfortunately an unwilling participant in a bar fight in the parking lot of a bar. His head was bashed repeatedly against the concrete sidewalk. He was also struck in the face several times by a guy at the bar. I have pictures of his head and face and Zimmerman looked NOTHING like my brother. My brother's head was twice the size of Zimmerman's because of swelling. He had a concussion and one of his eyes had swollen completely shut. According to Zimmerman's description of events, he SHOULD HAVE suffered a similar fate. HE DID NOT BECAUSE THE CONFRONTATION DID NOT OCCUR AS HE DESCRIBED. Zimmerman's nose WAS NOT BROKEN; it was dislocated, as reported by the EMT who popped it back in place. Trayvon was very obviously fighting for his life and Zimmerman incurred minimal bodily damage because he had a 50+ lb weight advantage over Trayvon and was able to withstand Trayvon's level of self-defense.
As a result of this incident, I have discussed with my son and my students (I am a high school teacher) what they would do if they found themselves in a similar situation as Trayvon. What could they do to assure their safety from such a depraved individual as Zimmerman? I wish Trayvon had hung up with his friend and called the police. I wish he had run to a neighbor's door and asked for help. I wish he had shouted out information about Zimmerman when screaming for help. There are so many things that I wish would have happened, but it seems like no matter how well you try to prepare your kids for situations like these, they are always still very vulnerable and subject to the wits and whims of adults.
Trayvon Martin WAS NOT ENGAGED IN ANY CRIMINAL ACT. There was no need for Zimmerman to even call the police, much less follow him, exiting his vehicle in pursuit of him. Zimmerman told the 911 dispatcher that, "He (Martin) ran," clearly indicating that this kid found a need to run AWAY from Zimmerman. So when Zimmerman found Trayvon, after having pursued this kid, and "walked back towards him," as he so stated he did ON TAPE, Trayvon had every right to DO WHATEVER HE COULD TO DEFEND HIMSELF, TO DISABLE ZIMMERMAN, AND TO TRY TO PRESERVE HIS OWN LIFE. This is what I told my own son, who is the SAME HEIGHT AND THE EXACT SAME WEIGHT AS TRAYVON MARTIN WAS. This is what I told my students. What a shame you Zimmerman supporters cannot do the same. Each of you who feel Zimmerman acted in "self-defense" is a danger to the children of this nation.
Hello, Heavnerth. The testimony of ear and eye-witnesses supports George Zimmerman's account of what happened. His account was corroborated both in real-time by residents who called 911 and by statements given by residents within minutes and hours of the shooting. George Zimmerman could not have known at the time who "heard" or "saw" what, yet, the witnesses statements support his version of events. To imagine that things happened differently is futile. All of the evidence indicates that George Zimmerman told the truth.
Just a thought … Had Trayvon Martin been found by the police to be acting suspiciosly because he was goung into diabetic coma or because he had a concussion from slipping on wet pavement during his walk back from the store… And Trayvon Martin was in need of medical attention… would it have been okay, then, that George Zimmerman kept an eye on Trayvon Martin's whereabouts for the police to be able to locate him?
If you were driving to the store and saw someone acting suspicious... Walking with seemingly no purpose in the rain... Tresspassing on your neighbors lawns... looking into your neighbors windows... Acting like he was on drugs or something... Would you call the police?
If there had been a recent home invasion in your community... And you were driving to the store and saw someone acting suspicious... Walking with seemingly no purpose in the rain... Tresspassing on your neighbors lawns... looking into your neighbors windows... Acting like he was on drugs or something... Would you call the police?
If a few of your neighbors homes had been burglarized recently and there had been a recent home invasion in your community... And you were driving to the store and saw someone acting suspicious... Walking with seemingly no purpose in the rain... Tresspassing on your neighbors lawns... looking into your neighbors windows... Acting like he was on drugs or something... Would you call the police?
In response to Anonymous...
Seriously? The ear-witnesses said they heard "someone" screaming for help. One of the witnesses said it sounded like a "boy's voice". The eye-witness said that it appeared as if "the darker complexioned person was on top." I DO NOT DISPUTE that this is true. What I DO DISPUTE is the fact that just because one is ON TOP, does not mean that this person is or was the AGGRESSOR in the situation as a whole. Any number of events occur during a physical confrontation. I would hope that Trayvon WOULD find a way to get on top of Zimmerman in a fight for his life. I would hope that I TOO COULD FIND A WAY TO GET ON TOP of a person who had pursued me by car and by foot. This DOES NOT SUPPORT Zimmerman's account because his account was inconsistent and incomplete. He was unable to explain how the fight began in one place (the infamous T in the sidewalk) and ended in another, 40-50 feet away. His words were, "I don't really know. Somehow we ended up over there." But he was able to DETAIL everything else???
Speaking of the "infamous T in the sidewalk," why do YOU ZIMMERMAN SUPPORTERS REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS DID NOT BEGIN AT "THE T IN THE SIDEWALK?" It began way before this point. Had Zimmerman surmised that a kid walking through his neighborhood was acting suspiciously, then he should have called the police, advised them of such, answered their questions, and minded his business. THAT IS NOT WHAT HE DID. He PROVOKED A CONFRONTATION. HIS MOTIVE WAS TO PROVOKE A CONFRONTATION. IN THIS COUNTRY, LAWS ARE DEFINED AND APPLIED BASED ON ONE'S MOTIVE. HIS MOTIVE WAS TO KEEP THIS GUY, WHO IN HIS OPINION WAS A SUSPICIOUS CHARACTER OR POSSIBLE CRIMINAL, FROM GETTING AWAY. If my son or even myself was slipping into a "diabetic coma" and acting suspicious as a result, I would hope that I do not encounter the likes of ZIMMERMAN, YOU OR ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THIS GUY. Hopefully there would be more rational people around who actually mean to help.
ONE LAST POINT...the people who called 911 ACTUALLY SAW SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY BEHIND THEIR HOMES. NONE OF THOSE "EYE-WITNESSES AND EAR-WITNESSES" WOULD EVEN COME CLOSE TO FOLLOWING OR APPROACHING ZIMMERMAN AND TRAYVON. Two of the callers wouldn't even open their doors. One did and immediately closed it. They KNEW FOR A FACT that something wasn't right and what did they do? They called the police and WAITED for them to arrive. Had they gone out, they may too have been killed. Why didn't Zimmerman do the same? Call and wait? Why didn't he do what THOSE WITNESSES DID? He did not do it because he is not rational. He had already concluded that Trayvon was threat and he decided to provoke a confrontation. As a result, this 17-year-old kid is DEAD. How sad. How very, very sad.
To Anonymous, you really need to stay in the country that your in. If you actually believe Zimmerman is not guilty in actions, then this world is in trouble. He shot, and killed an unarmed man. They were fighting, he should of fought like a man. He chose to use his gun. Do you have any children? Do you have a heart?
Heavnerth, My apologies that I did not enter my name in my previous post. It was an oversight on my part and ended up coming up as Anonymous.
When George Zimmerman noticed Trayvon Martin acting suspiciously, he pulled over and called the police. While on the phone when he was pulled over, Trayvon Martin approached his car and George Zimmerman can be heard describing Trayvon Martin's appearance in detail. His actions were also described as "something wrong with this guy"... As "he looks like he's on drugs or something"... As "walking towards" Zimmerman... As "staring" at Zimmerman with "his hand in his waistband"... I would characterize Trayvon Martin's actions as confrontational at that point. As Trayvon Martin got closer, George Zimmerman, sitting in his parked car, was able to give the dispatcher an even more detailed description. Confrontation, at that point, was initiated by Trayvon Martin. When Trayvon Martin ran, George Zimmerman followed while still on the phone with police so as not to lose sight of the suspicious person. When asked if he was following him, George Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that" and George Zimmerman said, "Okay." The dispatcher asked and George Zimmerman (who was now on foot heading towards the T where he saw Trayvon Martin turn) was unable to give a good address. When the dispatcher asked George Zimmerman for his personal address he started to give it and, having lost sight of the suspicious person, was obviously concerned about giving his address out aloud for fear that the suspicious person might hear it. It is evident to me that George Zimmerman's purpose was get a better location, not confrontation. George Zimmerman's reaction was one of fear. Trayvon Martin had already taken a confrontational position once and I'm convinced he did it again at the T. From that point on, the ear and eye witness reports support George Zimmerman's account of the events that transpired. George Zimmerman did indicate that he was not sure how they ended up where they did because he was stunned by the punch to the nose. If you ever had your nose hit hard to the point where it was dislocated or broken, I'm sure you can understand how disorienting it can be. George Zimmerman's account was reasonable and corroborated by independent evidence.
Zimmerman will probably go free if the jury can not convict or acquit. The longer these 6 jurists take to decide the more likely they won't. In that case, it will be a late night outcome: "Hung Jury". Judging by what seems to be going on in Florida and considering the 2000 election "hanky panky" (hanging chads), I would strongly recommend anyone currently living in Florida evaluate alternative locations to move to. Also, avoid areas with hurricane or tornado issues.
Heavnerth… Had Trayvon Martin been found by the police to be acting suspiciosly because he was goung into diabetic coma or because he had a concussion from slipping on wet pavement during his walk back from the store… And Trayvon Martin was in need of medical attention… would it have been okay, then, that George Zimmerman kept an eye on Trayvon Martin's whereabouts for the police to be able to locate him?
The jury has asked for clarification of the instructions for Manslaughter.
To thankful neighbor. Yes I would call the police. No I wouldnt follow the person. I would go home, and leave it in the polices hands. Zimmerman made several several idiotic decisions that night. His actions need to be accounted for. Point blank, he obviously reacted first instead of thinking things through.
Thankful Neighbor...
With response to your comment (written at 5:57 pm)...
You take for granted that Zimmerman's report of Trayvon is accurate and truthful. I do not. In light of ALL of the events that occurred, I believe that Zimmerman exaggerated the truth in order to justify a confrontation, if not to be some sort of recognized hero of his neighborhood. Zimmerman's report of Trayvon's supposed "suspicious behavior" was that he was "just standing there looking around". Perhaps he thought it was suspicious. Perhaps it could have been. Perhaps Trayvon was afraid of the strange man following him. (You know, the first thing they tell you to do when being pursued is to face your pursuer.)
I DO NOT believe that Trayvon approached Zimmerman's car. If I were to take for granted that he actually did, why didn't Zimmerman crack his window slightly, identify himself and ask Trayvon about his behavior? According to Zimmerman, THERE WAS NO CONFRONTATION AT THAT POINT. He claims he was afraid. During Zimmerman's POLICE interview, the officers even asked Zimmerman SEVERAL TIMES why he failed to simply ASK Trayvon why he was there or to identify himself as neighborhood watch and ask if he needed help. It wasn't as if Zimmerman wasn't armed and couldn't defend himself had this kid actually been up to know good. It would have been quite easy for Zimmerman to do that. Even the police were a bit unnerved about this.
This leads to the next move...Zimmerman CONTINUES to follow the boy and he GETS OUT OF HIS CAR. This "fearful", armed man gets out of his car? How can you feel as if he isn't looking for a confrontation? When asked by the dispatch operator, Zimmerman CONFIRMED he was FOLLOWING TRAYVON- not LOOKING FOR AN ADDRESS. After he was informed that they didn't need him to that, (IN YOUR OWN WORDS) he CONTINUED WALKING TOWARDS THE T. Why didn't he immediately TURN AROUND AND GO BACK TO HIS CAR? According to him, Trayvon "ran" and he'd lost him, so he could have very easily gone to his car and driven to the front of the sub-division to find the name of the street that he CLAIMED he didn't know the name of. Zimmerman SAID "OK" but had NO INTENTION TO RETURN TO HIS VEHICLE, WHICH IS NOW VERY OBVIOUS, CONSIDERING THE RESULTS.
You MUST CONCEDE, his actions are NOT AT ALL REASONABLE. Would YOU have followed a stranger in the dark if you were afraid? Isn't that unreasonable? On the police tape (the event re-enactment), Zimmerman pointed to the street that he claimed he didn't know the name of and ACTUALLY NAMED THE STREET! Then, he LATER CONTINUED TO INSIST HE STILL DIDN'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE STREET (please review the videos). Zimmerman is LYING Thankful Neighbor.
People who live with a sense of ENTITLEMENT seem to have no behavioral boundaries. They feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want (like get out of a car and pursue someone in the dark) and are ALWAYS SURPRISED when there is a consequence they must suffer as a result. I believe those who support Zimmerman, live with that sense of ENTITLEMENT. These are the same SORT of people who will cross the street in traffic and SUE the driver who hits them. These are the same SORT of people who will allow their children to ROLL AROUND ON THE GROUND unattended in a grocery store parking lot, but are appalled when an unsuspecting driver runs the kid over. These are the same SORT of people who REFUSE to discipline their kids and provide them with rules and boundaries, but are SURPRISED AND RED-FACED when their kids grow up and become convicted felons because they have no respect for authority.
To respond to your comment written at 6:04pm...
I really did answer this in one of my last responses. If Trayvon or ANYONE was in need of medical attention, I would hope that Zimmerman would have called the authorities and made them aware that someone was in need of help. But just like Zimmerman is NOT a police officer and should not have pursued Trayvon, he IS NOT a medical professional. His duty as a concerned citizen would be to alert the professionals and allow them to do THEIR JOBS. I, however, would NEVER want to encounter the likes of ZIMMERMAN if I personally needed ANY SORT OF HELP. I would hope that someone normal and rational with a sense of compassion would have the where-with-all to contact 911 on my behalf.
By the way...the jury just asked for clarification on the instruction on MANSLAUGHTER. I really wish Trayvon was here to tell his story...
With response to your comment (written at 5:57 pm)…
You take for granted that Zimmerman's report of Trayvon is accurate and truthful. I do not. In light of ALL of the events that occurred, I believe that Zimmerman exaggerated the truth in order to justify a confrontation, if not to be some sort of recognized hero of his neighborhood. Zimmerman's report of Trayvon's supposed "suspicious behavior" was that he was "just standing there looking around". Perhaps he thought it was suspicious. Perhaps it could have been. Perhaps Trayvon was afraid of the strange man following him. (You know, the first thing they tell you to do when being pursued is to face your pursuer.)
Outraged and Heavnerth, you 2 need professional help. And outraged, I do I two kids and would have done the same as Zimmerman to defend myself so that I could come home to them. I wouldn't have left it up to Teyvon to decide whether I live or die.And maybe the shot through the heart was just a lucky shot. I think that part of your problem is where you get your information. You need to watch more conservative news stations in order to know what really happened. Anyway, since I've always been annoyed by stupidity, I will not be reading anymore of these comments. It's scary how clueless some of you are.
To Scott F, and some others, its scary to me how inconsiderate, and heartless you, and others are regarding this case. Zimmerman again was the real adult in this circumstance, he didn't make adult decisions. He had others choices he could have made, he made the wrong choice. Fight like a man, use your fists, like Martin did.
Apparently ONE LAST POINT you are not aware of the fact that it was his compassion for people is why he was out in the neighbor hood trying to help them protect their property from the thieves that were terrorizing them.
Outraged and Heavnerth, you 2 need professional help. And outraged, I do have two kids and would have done the same as Zimmerman to defend myself so that I could come home to them. I wouldn't have left it up to Teyvon to decide whether I live or die.And maybe the shot through the heart was just a lucky shot. I think that part of your problem is where you get your information. You need to watch more conservative news stations in order to know what really happened. Anyway, since I've always been annoyed by stupidity, I will not be reading anymore of these comments. It's scary how clueless some of you are.
Heavnerth... If I was of the mindset that George Zimmerman planned everything through from beginning to end, then, my common sense would tell me that he would have done his dirty deed first and then he would have called the police... After the fact. George Zimmerman didn't roll down his window because he was afraid.
One thing we do agree on is that if Trayvon Martin was truly scared, it would have been best had he run all the way home or used his phone to call for help or screamed at the top of his lungs to draw attention to the fact that he was being followed. We know that he was not near his Daddy Fiancé house as he told his friend, Rachel, when she suggested to him that he keep running.
I believe that it was Trayvon Martin's propensity towards fighting, his youthful indiscretion and his hubris that brought the situation to it's unfortunate ultimate climax. I believe that Trayvon Martin was more deliberate in his actions than was George Zimmerman and that Trayvon Martin picked a fight with the wrong man.
One who was not physically capable of defending himself with his own hands.
I believe it is many others, who were not even there, who are now imagining things and exaggerating the truth for their own self-serving purposes.
The Jury is figuring out how they can railroad George Z. for manslaughter. Its not about the evidence, its about pacifying the Blackman.
The evidence speaks justifiable, that was the judgment of the police then, and until Jackson, Sharpton and Obama weighed in. The only verdict that is just is acquittal.
Instigating is powerful. Yes none of us were witnesses to the events that happened that night, that being said how do we know everything Zimmerman has said, is saying is the truth. The other person involved can not tell us. Who's fault is that? If you commit a crime, and you feel that you were justified in your actions why not talk on your behalf? He didn't take the stand on his behalf, why? Perhaps doubt.
Its not about pacifying the black man, its about holding everyone accountable for their actions. Its about thinking before you react.
This would be over and done were it not for this IDIOT judge who allowed the manslaughter charge to be introduced at the eleventh hour. Her BIAS is clear and evident. IF George is found guilty of anything, the appeals will fly and this judge will be responsible for this trial continuing ad infinitum !
Actually, it's about the question of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed a crime. Nobody said he didnt do anything wrong. He was not the brightest guy, I'll give you this. He should have avoided the situation, but DID HE BELIEVE HIMSELF TO BE IN LIFE THREATENING DANGER?, is the only question that matters. And per evidentiary support, and testimonial speak, the answer is YES, he did.
FYI- My previous comment was in response to Guilty's most recent post.
I am so sick of hearing that this 17 year old boy was innocent. If you believe that a person who is assaulting someone is innocent then you are ignorant of what the word means and need to find a dictionary to look it up. If the jury finds George Zimmerman guilty it will be an unlawful act to appease a group of people who have tried so very hard to make this a case of racism.
No one said Martin was innocent in his actions, but does two wrongs make it right. DallasLawyer you have a valid point, but I dont believe Zimmerman was in fear for his life per evidence. He had ample opportunities to turn around and walk away. If you are in absolute fear of something, or someone ahead of you, you walk in the opposite direction, not towards it.
Wake up people the Martin Family knows their son liked to beat people up! The Black community marched to put an innocent man on trial. HELLO! this is a modern day hanging with Jess Jackson leading the way. Jess Jackson spreads hate.
The Verdicts in. Lets hope the justice system works.
Not Guilty
I was sitting in my garage this afternoon, texting my sister. It was hot and the garage door was up. A young, physically-fit-looking young man came racing around the corner on a bike into my driveway. He jumped off his bike, grabbed some brichures and quickly started walking into my garage. I told him to stop. He continued while saying , "what?" and I said, loudly, "You need to back up. I don't want you coming in here." He stopped right at the edge of my garage said he needed to come in to talk to me. I told him that I didn't want to talk to him... That I could see what was in his hand and that there was no soliciting allowed in this community. He said, "there's no smoking allowed? I'm not smoking." I said there's signs on every street in here that say "No soliciting." He asked me what that meant and I explained it to him. He said, "well, let me tell you why I'm here." I said no thanks. He was persistent and started walking towards me and into my garage again. I really am not a fighter. I don't know how to fight with my hands but, at that point, things were moving quickly and I felt the need to quickly come up with a plan to protect myself. I do play softball and I know how to swing a bat. I have a few bats in my garage do you know what my plan was.
I told the young man that he needed to leave. He then said that he needed to tell me that he just moved here a few weeks ago and needed to talk to Mom's with young children. I told him that I don't have any young children and told him to leave. He went on,,, "Well, I have a map of the community and need you to look at it and tell me which homes have Mom's with young children." I said, "I am not giving you that information." to be continued...
Justice has been served. I am sure Trayvon Martin is good with it. May he rest in peace. Amen.
he should of went to jail
Justice hasn't been served. I am appalled with Floridas legal system. I am appalled at the jury. He still has to answer to a higher authority later. He won't get off then. RIP Trayvon Martin.
Anyway... When I told the young man that I was not going to tell him which homes had moms with young children, he said, "You're not even gonna give me that?!" I said "No." In a loud, extremely sarcastic tone, the young man said, "You have a nice day." He turned around and I quickly closed the garage door. Who knows what the outcome would have been if I felt the need to whack the skull of that young man with a baseball bat? I didn't see a weapon, but I did feel threatened.
But jail is where the criminals go. We the people of America believe we have a right to defend ourselves from attackers, It is a shame that it ended in a person being killed. If my son had a gun the night he was attacked maybe one of those 17, 18 and 19 year old boys would of been dead instead of him. But no they had the gun and killed my "innocent" son in cold blood "he was sitting in his car with my 16 year old son" . Thank God there is a justice system and they are in jail as criminals should be.
I hope that he needs to run thr rest of his life!
George Zimmerman is murderer, no ifs or buts!
Zimmerman should go to jail!
Anonymous. Take some advice from the family of Trayvon. Trust the jury and the system.
NOT Guilty. Thank God!
As a former Public Defender in the 18th Judicial Circuit, very happy with O'Mara's apology to public defenders.
Mother... I am so sorry that you lost your son... At all... Especially in that violent way... And what a trauma for your other son... Please accept my sincerest condolences. May peace be with you.
An soft ass officers get butt kick, an made his own choice to shot Martin,and tell an lie to his lawyer an others.There was only an one man story to get away with murder.JUST like the girl who killed her own child,and walk away free. ALL THIS HAPPEN IN THE COURT HOUSE OF FLORIDA, and both go free.
question ? ~ the 2 cases don't compare in the slightest. Zimmerman's jury did their job. So did the Anthony jury. Completely different though.
and Mother ~ I am so sorry for your loss. I can't even imagine the grief. I also wish you peace.
Once again the US tonight is the tragic laughing stock of the world. First, the Prosecution is presented with insurmountable odds while the Defence has only to counter with piling lies upon lies until a jury of idiots is inundated and confused and the fact that a black kid lies dead is all but forgotten. It returned a lazy verdict and made the passing hours seem full of intense deliberations. Hardly.
Second, with a murky and sinister history of racism, how could the justice system with its monkey laws ever hope to deliver justice? The TV stations could hope for no greater riveting Reality show. What was jaw dropping was the guest attorneys on CNN insulting the legal systems Mexico and Italy. But the people from those countries do not crow from soap boxes about their justice systems. Americans today must take a hard look at the way their justice system operates.
Our hearts and prayers go out to the parents of Trayvon Martin. Hopefully, this verdict does not mean that more young blacks will be gunned down in cold blood.
Justified, self defense. NAACP is making this a race case. They want Zimmerman to be white so badly. In order to be racial profiling there must be a bases for the profile. I saw a post that stated "young black men will be lining up to buy a gun in FL tommorrow". What a joke unless the poster was suggesting illegally, then maybe so. Good guys with guns will always beat bad guys with guns. Just saying!
Post verdict, I've heard many who are disappointed with the verdict say that Trayvon Martin was minding his own business. To me, trespassing on other's lawns and looking into the windows of other's homes does not equate to minding one's own business. Anyone else?
I agree
Thanks, Anonymous.
God and God alone knows that Trayvon Martin is completely innocent and George Zimmerman is completely and unequivocally telling a whole lot of lies. There was no DNA of Trayvon on George's gun, or nothing of George under his fingernails. George needed just a note to return to work the next day! Travyon did not punch George or break his nose or pound his head into the concrete. George had no stitches and needed only bandaids! If as George claims he feared great bodily harm, the evidence does not support it at all! George is a lucky man since we all know that life is not fair, the verdict is criminally unfair to Travyon. As was said George will forever have the blood of Travyon Martin on his hands. In this day of the advances made by DNA how can anyone find George Zimmerman not guilty. Tracy and Sabrina will always have my deepest sympathy and prayers. If Travyon had punched George he would have had a lot more injuries on his hands. If George's nose had been broken, the world certainly had great trouble seeing it! The truth will one day emerge. No one can escape the truth. God will vindicate lies in His own time. It is God's law.
Why didn't Trayvon Martin do what every other law abiding citizen would do if they thought some creepy guy was following them and call 911 himself before things got out of hand?
I wonder if that jeantel told trayvon to lay a beating on zimmerman and trayvon trying to impress her did something doesn't add up..i'm glad zimmerman got off, after the prosecution's witnesses did such flip flops.They thought the best they had was the race card but justice prevailed imo...if only he hadn't been kicked out of school for ten days (this time) none of this would of happened he woulld have been safe at home smoking his pot & trying to prove he's a heavy with his gun to his other little friends...I hope his parents get some peace after losing their son
Hi Just Me. I thought of that possibility, too... It would explain why Trayvon's friend, Rachel, felt so guilty. Then, again, it's my understanding that Trayvon's Mom sent him to live with his Dad to save him from himself because of all the trouble he was getting into... Fighting! Either way, this entire situation and it's aftermath is very sad. To portray Trayvon as a child walking through the community "minding his own business" is so disingenuous as he was actually trespassing on other's properties and looking into the windows of homes belonging to his Father's neighbors. A fairy tale is being created and it is being put forth as the factual basis of this tragedy. It's just another wrong as far as I'm concerned.
People, please... Teach your children the pillars of good character... Trustworthiness, Respect, Responsibility, Fairness, Caring and Citizenship.
We are all each other's neighbor.
I'm thankful that George Zimmerman was found not guilty and justice was served. Unfortunately some of the media and some people who are unwilling to except the truth will continue to condemn Mr. Zimmerman. Trayvon Martin was known for beating up people for no reason as stated in the texts between TM and his friend. Everyone uses profiling everyday when we choose our friends, mates, and doctors etc..
Thankful Neighbor ... Thank You !!! Back to basics ... Children are born innocent & without Prejudice !!! They are taught as they grow ! If you sire children , be the best , most responsible parent that you can . Make difference . If you were less fortunate and hard a difficult up bringing , reward your broken spirit by raising the next generation right ! It only takes the strength & love & guidance of one to send a young soul in the right direction ! Peace to all , work together to make all of our lives better ! If we don't move on ... And remain bitter & hateful that too breeds . Bottom line , We All Want to be Loved , cared about , Happy & Healthy , Mind , Body & Spirit !
Simple question, if you are going to be the first one to punch someone and you are right handed, which hand do you use? Answer: Your right hand!!! Zimmerman said that Trayvon hit him with a left hook first. Anyone that has ever been in a fight, or not been in a fight knows that it is natural to punch with the dominant hand. Why in God's name did the prosecution not bring in their own expert and have him explain this to the all woman jury?
There's a Skittles shortage in God's neighborhood and George Zimmerman punched himself in the nose. (An ounce of pain is worth a pound of conviction.) George Zimmerman did not kill Trayvon Martin,. He was just a conduit through which the acquisition of Skittles was to have taken place. As stated by George Zimmerman, this tragedy was Gods plan. Obviously, God needed Skittles. And God had Trayvon Martin carrying around a massive piece of concrete on which pound George Zimmerman's head, obviously trying to prevent a Skittles theft. Maybe if George Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle and just asked to bum some Skittles, I bet he would have received some.
MARTIN THE "HOODIE" WAS A WANNABE THUG. He asked for it. "Bang, bang, shoot, shoot. Happiness is a warm gun".
I find it amazing that this has hit the national radar. Does anyone know who Antonio West of Brunswick GA was.................???
The people of GZ neighbor hood should get to see the pictures of all the jewelry TV had on his phone to see if it belongs to any of them. Oh ya, that wasn't allowed to be investigated was it! What about the pictures of him holding a gun!! But he was just an innocent "child" my ass. I wonder how much crime finally stopped in GZ neighbor hood? Racism is being taught by parents, teachers and my God even so called preachers. Lets not leave out Obama, he has truly shown his colors in this trial. Hate crimes are happening all over the US because of the racist comments being made by racist BLACK men.
The death of any 17 year old is terrible no matter who or how, to the prosecutor (Guy) he was correct to say to the dead we owe the truth, the truth is clear, a concerned neighbor watchman,was legally looking out for his neighborhood, a young man was legally progressing through the same space at the same time. NOT A DAM THING SHOULD OR WOULD HAVE HAPPENED...IF THE YOUNG MAN HAD TAKEN A FEW MORE STEPS TO HIS HOME...NOTHING HAD HAPPENED TO THAT POINT.....EVIDENCE, FACTUAL EVIDENCE, substantiates this, at that point the young man returned for what reason, that can only be speculation , and the rest is can be twisted and turned, HOWEVER, looking at all the evidence in a clear and intelligent way, with out wild assumptions and freaked out emotion the facts speak for them self.It should be over, but no ...just one example I personally witnessed on TV One of TM'S family's attorneys when asked what the evidence was for demanding that a federal civil rights case be filed, answered after being unable to come up with any thing else, " HE TOLD THE 911 OPERATOR THAT TM WAS BLACK "...1ST THE FACTS...OPERATOR ASKED, WHAT IS HE...WHITE, HISPANIC,..BLACK ?... GEORGE ZIMMERMAN ANSWERED...QUOTE " HE LOOKS BLACK"...IS THAT STATEMENT THE EVIDENCE...THE CONCRETE, THAT A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION, OR HATE CRIMES CASE IS TO BE PRESENTED, IF THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE OF ALL COLORS DESIRE, THEN I MUST UTILIZE THAT MOST FAMOUS QUOTE FROM A VERY GOOD MOVIE.....THE TRUTH, YOU WANT THE TRUTH, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
All of the physical evidence, that was collected properly and preserved properly, corroborated GZ's account. With the exception of the one neighbor who said she heard 3 shots, most of the ear witnesses who testified corroborated GZ's account at various stages. Eyewitness John Good corroborated GZ's account, that TM was in top of him and thst he was yelling for help... The 911 tape corroborated GZ's account... That he yelled for help... Over and over and over again... And that nobody came to help. TM's clothing and wound corroborated GZ's account of the shooting... All of the neighbors who testified that they saw GZ on top of TM after they heard the gunshot corroborated GZ's account. GZ's physical injuries corroborated GZ's account. The juror's really had no choice.
Like every other citizen in this country, George Zimmerman is innocent unless proven guilty. He was not proven guilty, therefore... (fill in the blank).
Why didn't TM call 911 when instead he called his girlfriend? Since GZ didn't know how long he could take the pounding to his face against the concrete nor if anyone would respond to his cries for help he had only one recourse but to use his gun. TM showed no signs that he was going to stop punching GZ and this is a case about the right to defend yourself---not race.
The time has come for the DOJ, through the FBI, Secret Service or whatever find the people that threaten Zimmermans life and the lives of his associates. Wake up Holder and get on the job.
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