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|Arma 3
|Feature Request
|2013-10-31 15:28
|2016-02-08 22:59
|Bohemia Interactive
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2059 vote(s) 67,84%
976 vote(s) 32,16%
|0015747: Female soldiers models should be available in the game
|There are no female models in ARMA 3.
Community asks for female soldiers, we are aware of this but ARMA 3 developer team does not have time and human resources for making them at the moment as this means recreating all body worn gear models to fit for female body model and adjust animations or even do a new motion capturing session.
Please avoid making any hate/flame comments, please be constructive and also please keep in mind that this is ARMA 3 feedback tracker, not a forum for ideological discussion.
|Additional Information
|Related links:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/us/pentagon-says-it-is-lifting-ban-on-women-in-combat.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 [^]
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/womeninthemilitary/a/femalesoldiers.-v24.htm [^]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2y9CZ-bkA8 [^]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzTYyQK-X_Y [^]
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/29/marine-corps-women-combat/1873753/ [^]
Community mod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn8-Pxk4sj8 [^]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB-xHZCMGQQ [^]
Selected comments:
These are a few of related comments from the original ticket. Feel free to add or copy related comments but please keep the discussion related to the topic and the game itself.
Ghostile: Having female models will most likely cause more harm than good.
Okay, few hundred female players get a correct model.
tens of thousands of morons get a chance to ruin every Wasteland etc. game by trying to RP a prostitute.
cheeseburger: Apart from that, women dont belong on the Battlefield. I dont want to shoot at females, even if its just a game.
Fuse: I'd like to see women on the battlefield, but it would require new versions of all the clothing models. I feel there are more important things, but as a luxury this is a great idea.
Bashkire: While I agree with the idea I think that the priority of this feature is somewhat over estimated. This is not "high" priority, this is a feature request that will take less precedence to other fixes and features. If I might, I would recommend setting this to "low" to allow the devs to work on more important game play fixes, before working on requested features.
On a related note, I can see the worries of those above, but who's to say that females will not be in front-line units in the future setting of this game? The British Army currently doesn't allow females to serve in front-line combat, but I understand that the American armed forces are currently in the process of implementing it.
TL;DR: A good idea, that would be nice to see implemented, but it is currently rated at FAR too high a priority.
Revage: (...) Based on the assertion that this game is intended to immerse the player in 'true combat', and that the experience will be authentic, there absolutely must be female models included in the game because they are a reality of true combat; women also pick up guns when they see their brothers, fathers, sons, sisters and mothers dying at the hands of an invading force, they do enlist in the military and do periodically become engaged in firefights, and they do, from time to time, die in combat. If you cannot accept the idea of firing upon a female, then you may fail the game mission when you're confronted with a collection of feminine pixels, but if you never have to face that situation because you're shielded from it by design, then it is just a lie to call the game authentic or to claim it gives you 'true combat' gameplay. Several U.S. females have been involved in live combat during the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, I've known a few, and a whole hell of a lot more female indigenous persons have died during these conflicts. Women are a reality in war. (...)
J2ackson: @Revage - you seem to be quoteing some sort of hollywood type of evil genocideing invadeing force killing civilians, which in this setting, is not so. Realistically they would join the military and be restricted to non direct combat roles as per most militaries in the world includeing the 2 currently in the game, US and Iran. The instances of women in combat in iraq were not them being sent into a fire fight in most cases were a ambush in rear lines. as for indigoues women that is an insurgency as aposed to a proper military which is the only combat force currently in the game. The orignial poster placed this as high prority making it clear that they believe that this is something that needs to be quickly be "fixed" on the same leval as glitchs and game breaking bugs. In ending US and Iran do not emply women in the front line and a few circumstantial fire fights should not be used to trump realism over peoples personal wants for the game and i feel dirty even commenting on something that looks like it belongs on Stormfront
rogerx: We definitely need some Female medics.
SGTIce: Worlds not complete without female soldiers, god wills it.
Corona2172: (...) I see your point about "if you don't like female characters, don't play them". True. All I am saying is that, in the campaign, I do not wish to see female characters in an infantry squad. Let them be support. You wonder why this bothers so many people? Because, we feel like female characters are being forced into the roles currently held by male characters (yes, this was meant to have a comic tone to it). Seriously though, I do not want it as it is something of an immersion breaker if I see a female in an infantry squad. Plus, I know it was put there to appease a group of people who are only now asking for female models. Why do so many downvote? Because not everyone sees things the same obviously. This is not a problem. See? We are not equal in thinking either.
rogerx: I could care less if men who wear make-up (or transvestites) blow terrorists away. Just as long as we have fun in the game, or the job gets done.
I find it extremely humorous during game play, watching some idiot strip and run around naked. Can't wait to see the mods allowing completely naked people!
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Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-10-31 16:09
Female models are just models, they can use recycled animations, the only thing should be to check wich animation glitches through the tits of the womans and fix them as extra animations that don't glitch.
should be easy to work out.
rogerx (reporter)
2013-10-31 22:20
ARMA design female tits guaranteed not to glitch?
I can just imagine them flipping & flopping as I type this!
BTW: I haven't witnessed one female player for the past year playing ARMA, unless they're using a male voice modifier or playing without speaking. :-/
NodUnit (reporter)
2013-10-31 22:48
edited on: 2013-10-31 22:53
That is because they generally don't speak.
Leah (reporter)
2013-11-01 00:32
edited on: 2013-11-01 00:39
I hope female (combat capable) civs, and soldiers will be added to the game at some point :) It's sad that there is only a handful of games out there (much less fps games) that allow you to play as female. As a female who likes video games, I feel left out because of this. I feel like my whole gender is barely considered by many game developers.. and adding us into a game is just a, "Maybe if we have time" kind of thing. Very last on the list.. We're the least important thing to add to a game. That's how it feels a lot of the time. Or we're just there wearing barely anything with the purpose of turning people on (which is fine i guess.. but sad if that's usually all we are).
- Now I have to criticize the description and additional information :p -
-Tim Constantine? ..really?
-A large majority voted for the inclusion of female soldiers, yet most "selected comments" are negative toward the issue? I guess BI's opinion on this topic is leaning that way? Also, what does that transvestite/naked people comment have to do with the issue?
-I hope "adjusting animations" doesn't mean making the women move extremely dainty or anything ridiculous.
@Dr Death:
They don't need giant tits that get in the way... In uniform, you'd probably barely notice breasts anyway. Unless they were huge.. and they don't need to be huge...
It's true I think. I at least generally don't speak when I play online.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-11-01 01:39
|>implying people dont want female models to have tits as big as lara croft
rogerx (reporter)
2013-11-01 04:27
I like my boobies of small to medium in size.
I should also add, this might be the only way or successful method ensuring the civilians (or pilots requiring extraction) are not shot at by other players within the multiplayer scenario. Aside from keeping statistics, the number of times a player as shot and killed somebody with boobies might be useful.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-11-01 17:05
|why not making a hitbox for the tits? and minigames like "Who shot the more tits?"
InstaGoat (reporter)
2013-11-01 17:42
edited on: 2013-11-01 19:08
Oh look, juvenile sexist twats.
You're not being helpful.
-The option should exist simply for the reason that female gamers exist.-
Also, the ratio of female to male soldiers would be roundabout 2 - 10, so a handful females should have been present in the campaign, especially sicne the place was on drawdown and you'd have a bunch of engineers running around fixing stuff up, not frontline units. If they'd been included. But they haven't.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-11-01 20:10
Well, instagoat, either you are a nazi feminist or you just cant take a sexist joke....
Also, yes, i haven't thought of that, in the campaign the place is not a warzone, so it makes sense for there to be second line and support womans soldiers.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-11-01 20:39
that's what i meant with "nazi feminist"
there aint no single smart male (or dumb male) being a feminist.
rogerx (reporter)
2013-11-01 22:49
Shrugs, a handful of female soldiers with engineers running around fixing stuff up sounds about right, according to InstaGoat.
According to the community mod videos, haven't got too much of a gripe as they're not too heavily layered in makeup. (Although I was really really hoping to see some ARMA engineered glitching female breasts, for which I would then switch my "no" vote to a "yes" vote.) However you've got to ask yourself, if you're spending all that time to modify, create or play a game with the opposite sex modelled, why not go out in life and socialize with the real thing using a whole lot less energy? (Even after accounting for any disabilities.)
About the only thing that may happen, might woe a few weirdos out of the closet and might make a few girls talk within the game if you're really lucky. (My money is on the weirdos. ;-)
After tossing a uniform on a model, it just becomes a hit box for everybody else. Take-off the clothes, and now we're talking about the TheSims.com, which is a whole different game.
NodUnit (reporter)
2013-11-02 00:00
edited on: 2013-11-02 00:06
What makes you think the people requesting this are doing so because they want to socialize with someone of the opposite gender, why are you obsessed with the idea that people are doing this for erotic jollies?
As for the sexist jokes, yeah they get old because someone always brings it up when others are trying to discuss things on a more mature note.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-11-02 00:55
|Roger, using your logic then there wouldn't be no games at all.
rogerx (reporter)
2013-11-02 01:44
NodUnit: Well, if we're talking about making girls useful, why include them into the game then? Is there a purpose, other than to show off their female parts in underwear? (ie. See the two attached "Community Mod" Yahoo videos.)
Dr Death: I do not understand the logic you're referring to.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-11-02 04:45
"However you've got to ask yourself, if you're spending all that time to modify, create or play a game with the opposite sex modelled, why not go out in life and socialize with the real thing using a whole lot less energy?"
AFAIK that is a short for "why creating assets for games when you can have it in real life?"
NodUnit (reporter)
2013-11-02 05:15
edited on: 2013-11-02 05:17
It's the same purpose as being able to choose a different voice or texture, user choice. I'd say it would be up to the player to be "useful" or not.
For me personally it's purely mechanical, given the history of Arma.
If there are female civilians then there is no reason they should not be capable of the same gameplay as male civilians.
rogerx (reporter)
2013-11-02 07:35
If there's not enough market interest, it's not going to put food on the table.
But for some reason, you're thinking I'm totally against female models.
Another angle, there are a lot of empty houses on Atlis and Stratis. Each and every home should have a good mother, cook and maid.
SuicideKing (reporter)
2013-11-02 15:49
@rogerx: You somehow think it's acceptable to incessantly make sexist comments, and then deflect all blame saying that "oh joking obviously! don't you have a sense of humour!".
Dude, stop, really. Constructively add to the discussion, and refrain from the "jokes". It doesn't come off as intelligent in any way, and they're not even funny..
@Leah said:
"A large majority voted for the inclusion of female soldiers, yet most "selected comments" are negative toward the issue? I guess BI's opinion on this topic is leaning that way?"
I noticed this too, it's unfortunate. At least they acknowledged it, finally. Whether they do anything about it remains to be seen.
Can't believe Call of Duty will lead the way in this, seeing how Arma is considered to be an intellectually superior series.
MemphisBelle (reporter)
2013-11-02 17:23
edited on: 2013-11-02 22:19
To have female characters ingame is an important think that I can and will highly support, so I voted up for yes...and can not understand the many guys who voted down for no. Whats the Problem with having female characters ingame? Do these guys then feel pushed out out of their "male" only universe?
Female soldiers are in Reality a meanwhile common fact and there´s nothing special with this. My wife is a huge ArmA Fan since ArmA1...She always plays bravely a male character, but she would be very happy if she could select a female character that is part of the Game itself...not any mod, cause those are mostly causing server issues.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-11-02 20:21
|Roger, i never said that you were against female characters, i also think they are important, but you forgot about the sex slaves too!
MemphisBelle (reporter)
2013-11-02 22:15
|Ok, Mr. Dr. Death, tell me...what has a Sex slave in common with this Game and about this, with this reported issue?
InstaGoat (reporter)
2013-11-02 22:16
"no smart male's a feminist" <- Uh, no. We're talking about two different things here, I am talking about the restrictionless equality and non-preferential treatment of women, you are thinking about anarcho-feminist misandrist gender abolitionists.
Doesn't surprise me that you make jokes about sex slaves too. Revealing about your attitude to your fellow human beings. This whole thing is embarassing, -because- there even is an argument.
This should be no question anymore. The only reason I can imagine for females to not be in is cost considerations (voice acting, twice the amount of body models for uniforms, etc), but any other argument is downright hollow. PLUS people being ignorant of the female population among gamers, OR being sexist towards them for no other reason than their plumbing is so prevalent that standing up against it should be the given thing for anybody who gives a damn about equality.
Quite a lot of my female friends who play games do not reveal online that they are female, because if they would, they would immediately be demeaned, hit on, or otherwise treated disrespectfully.
Your snide question wether or not I might be female is also rather revealing. Would YOU be embarassed to be called a female? Telling.
I really don't know what to say to you, or anybody who brings up this question and even argues about it, suggesting that there even might be a -question- here. There is not, females should be included in the game, and female characters opened up to be played as participants in main gameplay, and period.
MemphisBelle (reporter)
2013-11-02 22:32
according to your point with the costs..
there´s an Addon available that has female Characters for many roles...incl. Voice acting (sounds), so this cant be so difficult for a whole developer Team/Company, if its possible for a single person.
check it out here: (ArmA 2OA) http://www.armedassault.info/index.php?game=1&cat=addons&id=1556&setlang=de [^]
according the sexual treating thing...one pretty much always can say that Gamers who are saying somethings stupid like "females do not belong to Games" or what ever they find to say...are mostley stupid little kids who keeps stuck in their small world. They are just too stupid to get in touch with the other Gender and successfully play onlinegames together...if they are old dirtbags saying this...so they are even old and stupid...
As I said before...I am in the lucky position that my wife loves playing Games...toghether with me or alone. So I cant understand why people are argumenting against females, she plays well and is an already well known and accepted Player within our Community...
InstaGoat (reporter)
2013-11-02 22:39
Your last point: exactly. And, unfortunately, the people who say the stupid things you also mentioned (and which are displayed in this thread) are also adults who suffer from internet anonymity syndrome and are displaying their true colors because suddenly "society aint oppressing me from voicing my non PC opinions no mo" or whatever they are thinking.
I am disappointed, which is why I am so angry. I stayed out of the previous arguments over this because I don't understand how this can even be a question. I know many females who are gamers, and really, it's a distinction that shouldn't even be made anymore. People who play games are people who play games, and each should have characters representing them in a game.
As far as the voice acting, take on helicopters had full combat voice acting for the female voices too, and occasionally assigned female voices to squad members (no female models, so you had male soldiers with female voices, which was weird.).
So, it is possible. I don't understand BI's reason why they are objecting to this, if they are, which I hope they are not.
rogerx (reporter)
2013-11-03 00:43
edited on: 2013-11-03 00:59
SuicideKing: I'm not your dude. You need to realize, some people just do not want to live within your world. There's a larger world outside your own world. I believe God wants us, within reason, to be happy. (Trying to force somebody to follow your point of view through defamation probably isn't a good idea.) I should further add, if you're translating this comment from English, it's very likely you're not properly interpreting my comments. Nobody else seems to have this problem though, and you appear to be within the sincere minority.
Within the US, it is quite common people make fun of the female population, due to their overwhelming wealth gained from men, and everything that is given to them freely just because they're female and good looking. What's of a more serious nature, are those that are overwhelmingly supported based entirely on how skinny they are.
As far as this software, the software era is still quite young, with more important features to consider. If I were the developer, I would just slap on some long hair and face paint onto one of the characters and call it a girl. (Even though most of them are already obviously playing like girls already!) Problem solved. ;-)
Leah (reporter)
2013-11-03 01:38
|rogerx's opinion of women couldn't be any more obvious at this point.
rogerx (reporter)
2013-11-03 10:39
|Some how I get the feeling some of you are posting to the music of "Cell Block Tango" playing in the background. ;-)
TankGun (reporter)
2013-11-17 21:05
edited on: 2013-11-17 21:10
I have always been for females being equally represented in the game, one main reason being I have many female friends who serve in different branch's whom I know in real life or made friends with over games, every time they play ARMA like Memphis's wife they bravely run around as men but always wish they could play a female, when I found the linked mod they were excited but now with ARMA 3 and the lack of woman they are again braving male characters, sure we go back to playing ARMA 2 from time to time but with reformates and ARMA 3 being newer re installing ARMA 2 isn't always a though in our mind.
I don't have a comment for anything I have read as far as reactions against this goes I simply support it for the reason(s) stated above, heck even I jump in as a female from time to time sense my friends brave playing males why shouldn't I return the respect and patience and do the same, plus its fun from time to time :)
shadowmaster (reporter)
2013-11-17 21:12
|at least they should add civilian females.how is the population of altis supposed to multiply?
firstname.lastname@example.com (reporter)
2013-11-19 22:01
|While female soldiers are a contentious issue, female civilians should be in the game by the time the "Win" campaign DLC is released. Compared to ARMA 2, the amount of interactive assets in the game is meagre if not for the efforts of modders.
shadowmaster (reporter)
2013-11-20 08:55
|I really miss hookers from ArmA 2
mwnciboo (reporter)
2013-11-20 09:09
@email@example.com "While female soldiers are a contentious issue" - It's not contentious at all, we have Females in the Military for well over 100 years (Nursing units in WW1 were military units) since the 1980's Females have been taking up Combat Roles . What this actually is, is immature chauvinism from alot of people who don't know what they are on about. Just like people who get all angry about sexual orientation, I served for a longtime and hand on heart anyone who has served doesn't really care about Male / Female, Religion / Sexual Orientation. All we care about is professionalism. People who try to muddy this with "Women cannot carry or aren't as strong as men" if this was the sole requirement of a Soldier we wouldn't have Women in Uniform.
This is about as Contentious as Women having the right to vote, which is a complete non-issue because obviously women deserve the same rights in any modern, free thinking and open society.
Goblinbutt (reporter)
2013-11-30 18:14
Put them in because
*Variety is nice and wether or not women serve in the military in certain branches and/or roles and not others IRL is completely irrelevant since this is a game.
*All men do not automatically have an innate desire to play as a male character and all women do not have an innate desire to play as a woman. This is all individual choice and tastes.
So I think bohemia should get off their lazy butts and stop making excuses and put them in, or at least make steps to do so. Starting with some simple remeshing and retexturing. If you want, you can do mocap for a new skeleton at a later date for "genuine femaleness".
btwinch (reporter)
2013-12-03 00:36
|Stick to your mods.
rogerx (reporter)
2013-12-18 19:07
|"Make Arma Not War" ... something we can finally do without females!
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-12-18 21:47
|What about watching TV?
Dr_Death (reporter)
2013-12-18 22:21
|womans cant make food, you just send her to buy it before you cut her arm off.
Echo (reporter)
2013-12-18 22:56
|Female models do belong in Arma III. Hopefully they will be added in the future, as it would do great things for the sake of variety.
Kelevra (reporter)
2014-01-18 01:02
|Women in ARMA ? ffs ! It's a military sim, not the Sims hot date ! If you want women put your mouse down, turn off your computer and suit up !
Laqueesha (reporter)
2014-01-18 02:34
|Kelvara, women are in the military, and there are female civilians in war zones.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-01-18 08:34
Ditto. This ain't The Sims. The only time I can remember wanting to see a cartoon female, was when I was fifteen years old playing Strip Poker on an 8-bit color computer. Kind of stupid or a waste of time, when you can more easily do so within real life!
However, think it would be pretty neat to have people playing The Sims within a town, and then have the area of operations occur suddenly at their location!
Goblinbutt (reporter)
2014-01-18 10:33
edited on: 2014-01-18 10:34
@Kelvara: No, it's not the sims. What's your point?
@rogerx: I guess you just really like men then huh?
@Anyone in general. This is not an issue of getting some kind of sexual fantasies fulfilled. And if that's the only perspective you can see for yourself then you're nothing if not a sexist pig.
Echo (reporter)
2014-01-18 13:17
Laqueesha and Goblinbutt are speaking the truth. I don't know why some think people here want women in the game for some kind of sexual reason. There are women in real life (both military and civilian) and ArmA should reflect that.
With rogerx's logic, why would we want realistic ballistics for bullets in ArmA when we could just pick up a gun in real life?
rogerx (reporter)
2014-01-19 11:42
Goblinbutt & Echo: I don't enjoy seeing womens' gutts splattered all over the place.
If I want sex or just to look at girls in general, I go elsewhere or turn on the TV.
However I persist, still think it would be really neat to crash a "The Sims" town party. Would be pretty neat to roll a tank through town after they've spent days and months racking up money within the simulated world.
Echo (reporter)
2014-01-19 14:16
rogerx: Guts aren't generally splattered in ArmA.
Anyway. You can just avoid putting women in your missions, or just don't play missions where you have to kill women if you want. The thing is that other people than you might want the option to use female models in their missions. Adding women to the game doesn't mean they'll be in your face with it. It's up to the person making the missions.
Why do you keep mentioning sex? This isn't about sex. Do you honestly ever thought that this feedback request was from a guy, wanting female in the game for sexual arousing reasons?
It's about the possibility to use female models for players and npcs in the mission editor. There were female civilians in ArmA 2. Did it pain you so much?
rogerx (reporter)
2014-01-20 13:53
Echo: Why do people keep targeting my opinion, as if it's going to change my opinion? Not too also mention, I stated "what I do" and nowhere did I state others must also do as I do. You should have also read a little further past the word "sex" and read, " ... or just to look at girls in general ... ".
If you're looking for an argument, might want to look elsewhere because I really don't care whether they spend (or waste) time modeling females for the game.
Personally if we're worried about sexual characteristics within the game, we should just make all models appear uni-sex. Think this would save a lot of money, and solve a lot of arguments.
Echo (reporter)
2014-01-20 19:19
rogerx: I'm going to respect your opinion and apologize. I did not mean to try to change your look on the matter, but merely ment to discuss it, because I disagree with you.
Anyway. You have your opinion, and I have mine. Let's leave it at that. No hard feelings.
I upvoted this feature request because I think it would be a nice option to have when making missions. That's all I'm really trying to say.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-01-21 08:06
|Yup. Ditto. I think it's a split call on this issue, and I do respect your opinion as well, as I keep saying, I wouldn't mind crashing a town full of The Sims who've invested hours to weeks of time into their game, only to see a tank rolling through town! :-)
shadowmaster (reporter)
2014-01-21 09:07
|This feedback has turn into sexist-antisims-pro feminist fighting ground rather than actual feedback.The devs said they aknowledged it but did not say they were going to do sth about it
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-01-21 16:48
Roger: you are REALLY into that idea, aren't you? i think you can heavily mod ArmA 3 to make it use the Sims interface
Shadowmaster: BIS knew modders can do their job so they said "fuck off" and did nothing.
thad0ctor (reporter)
2014-02-01 22:20
|hmmmmm fix pressing issues or add female models...? I'm going to go with the down vote
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-02-01 23:37
|Doctor, nobody said this should be against fixing issues. The feedback tracker and suggestions are there not to replace the bug reports, but instead to add suggestions to make the game better. If you think this should be downvoted just because its not a high priority, you are wrong.
thad0ctor (reporter)
2014-02-02 00:35
I don't have the ability to change the priority of an issue. The only thing I can do is to try to down vote the issue so something more pressing can get precedence. IMO this is a waste of resources, this is no different than the DayZ devs adding different soda cans and clothing when core parts of the game are still broken or missing.
Now I'm no expert with the prioritizing system here but how do you propose I voice my opinions and let the devs know this is not a pressing matter? I'm going to continue to utilize the tools I have available to me and down vote stuff that I could live without.
Why? BEcause, this is fluff amounting to countless wasted polygons and man hours. This will not change the game in anyway, it will simply just add another inconsequential character model.
Also if you want to go with full immersion the female characters will need to run slower and carry less weight. I'm not trying to be sexist, its just the truth. Why do you think the military has different physical training standards for men and women?
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-02-02 06:43
Let me be honest. The reason why i disagree is because i dont think this is a waste of resources. If we can remove things we can live without on arma just to put priority on the important matters, I would have requested for no underwater world, realistic PiP 3D scopes, not so much of realistic graphics, better sound, realistic and modern enviroment and equipment, 1:1 size scale of Altis-Lemnos and Stratis (A3) - Stratis (real life) And removed the option to change clothes, wich i found useless.
But, BIS may not think some of these features are a waste of resources, and if a modder could in a few months make a female character model for A3 wich so far has been proven bugless and BIS-quality, it makes female characters not so much of a resource waste after all.
Actually, why do we have asians faces for the soldiers? they are just faces, isn't that a waste of resources too?
seemax1991 (reporter)
2014-02-16 16:43
To be honest, even if it is somehow strange: I have a natural barrier against harming females. Could be that this is an antique way of thinking these days but that is what my parents taught me. Even If it just a 'game/simulation' our subconscious doesn't differ that fact at all. I just can remember one game I played a long while ago where there were female characters and I literally felt bad and stoped playing that game, thought it was a pretty good one. Sadly I can not remember its name nor dev-studio.
Giving this an upvote for the fact that AmrA is a simulation, so there should be female characters.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-02-16 18:15
|really? stopping from playing a game just because there were girls in it?
seemax1991 (reporter)
2014-02-17 10:59
Q: really? stopping from playing a game just because there were girls in it?
A: Sorry, No. But because I had to kill them.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-02-17 13:50
|Now that's an interesting point. But you are putting politeness and education over real life.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-02-17 22:57
As they say, practice what you preach.
It's well known, children and young adults tend to loose apathy (or concern) over their actions they repeatedly practice within computer games.
I too like seemax1991, might also tend to loose interest, as is already seen by some players' anti-social actions.
spark_23 (reporter)
2014-02-17 23:27
|Every day we see a crazy world in tv, in real world, then, i dont see the problem. You know what is a game if not you have a real problem not asociated with video games. Its wrong kill a woman, but too to man, however this is a game. I dont know, if a hard topic.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-02-18 16:58
Yup, sounds good to me that there is a line between reality and make believe.
However, atypically within the heat of an argument such as a domestic violence situation, the worse parts of people usually becomes more evident. (ie. Socializing with unruly females tends to easily influence this line of rationality within reality for some odd reasons. ;-)
Like I said, probably best or safer to practice what you preach. Everybody is different and have different levels of tolerance and education.
Renegade (reporter)
2014-02-23 07:35
|I would like to see this implemented in the game, seeing how BLUFOR is NATO, and here in Canada we have female infantry soldiers, it seems lame to leave them out. I would be okay with this feature coming later after the currently promised art assets. This feature wouldn't impact bug fixes as it is an art asset feature.
RickOShay (reporter)
2014-02-23 18:32
|Jeez reading the majority of these posts I feel like I just lost 3 minutes of my life! Could we all agree that adult female and boy and girl civilians are needed? This would make the towns a little more believable and if I remember correctly that's what we are trying to do - make ARMA3 as realistic as possible. The debate about the need for female soldiers can wait imo. Of course once we have female civilians what's to stop them occasionally picking up a gun........
gonza (reporter)
2014-02-23 19:23
|We have a woman in our team (75 members), she like play medic so why not a woman model ?
nmdanny (reporter)
2014-02-23 20:56
While having females in the game would be logical, keep in mind that most women serve in support branches of the military, and ArmA 3 is focused on infantry combat, which means that female soldiers would be uncommon during most situations.
I would definitely want to see female civilians though, but it's a matter of prioritization, making female models, animating them, and capturing their voice for so many actions, is a very expensive process which can be better spent on more important things.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-02-23 21:12
Renegade, either you read too fast or you barely saw any comment, because you cant read all of them in 3 minutes.
Rick: the reason why kids are not added (unlike VBS) is because this game has to be sold to the public, AKA going past rating controls, AKA, moral judgement, and its not a good idea to put underaged people in the game if you can kill them
rogerx (reporter)
2014-02-23 23:47
edited on: 2014-02-24 00:32
RickOShay: I think you just self-incriminated yourself of not being able to make wise decisions, requiring more guidance within your life! ;-)
nmdanny: "... is a very expensive process which can be better spent on more important things." -- AMEN to that brother! ;-)
I tend to agree though, having unarmed female medics would be nice. Or maybe female workers to clean-up the base from all the objects left laying around.
Echo (reporter)
2014-02-24 03:22
edited on: 2014-02-24 03:23
nmdanny: Don't be so narrow minded. There are several countries that allow women in the same roles as men in the military. I know you said "most", but here in Sweden women would not necessarily be such a uncommon view in infantry combat. Even if there are less women than men in infantry teams, that is not a reason to NOT include them.
ArmA is supposed to be a sandbox game. I don't see why some want to put restrictions on what we can do with female models. (Like the "They can't carry weapons or don't aim as well as male models). As a mission maker, I want to do whatever I want with what I got available. I can put my own restrictions up if I want. Don't force that stuff upon me.
Not all missions are military oriented either. One can be very creative with the editor. Several of my missions revolve around unorganised groups of "people with weapons" that don't follow military protocole... because they are not in the military.
I understand the limited resource thing. But there is no REAL argument why female models should not be included if the time and resources are/will be available.
disc (reporter)
2014-02-24 05:01
edited on: 2014-02-24 05:02
I think that's a great idea, Echo!
As an aspiring mission designer myself, I too agree that only having bulky marines is greatly limiting my creativity. That's why I'd like to expand this ticket and ask not only to add women, but also children (naturally, of both sexes)! Now I know you probably don't have children serving in Swedish infantry, but you shouldn't be so narrow-minded and open up to the possibility of a campaign set in the Central African Republic, where the use of child soldiers was a common phenomenon among rebels as little as ten years ago! Not only does Hideo Kojima's Metal Gear series feature a main character who used to be a child soldier, thus making it an established and safe theme in the video game medium, but it is also important to remember that there are many more child soldiers in the world (approx. 300,000) than females in the Swedish infantry or, for that matter, female soldiers in all front line infantries put together. Clearly, anyone opposing the effort of adding child soldiers into ArmA III is not only an ageist, but also a downright racist, making me very glad and, dare I say, proud to have allies like Echo on my side.
Please also add the ability to make my character a little chubbier and shorter. Not all civilians look like 1980's action stars and there's really no need to indulge in this militant fat shaming propaganda.
Once and only once, ladies and gentlemen, BiS has integrated all these quintessential features should they proceed to work on the milsim aspects of the game! Thank you, DayZ, for setting this community on the one righteous path!
Renegade (reporter)
2014-02-24 06:35
Dr. Death: I actually made an account to comment and vote on the issue, after looking some other issues up as well. Also to add some bug reports after I note how to reproduce them. So no, it didn't take me only 3 minutes to read through them all, I had read them all before I signed up for the feedback tracker.
disc: Sarcasm noted, but children would also be good to have in the game, and no one is suggesting that all other aspects of the game's development should cease until they get female models into it. It's a feature request. One that they can't do at the moment, as is stated up at the top, but it's still good to put on the dev's table for perhaps a later DLC or something.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-02-24 07:00
|isn't it forbidden to create multiple accounts to vote up tickets?
Renegade (reporter)
2014-02-24 14:19
Dr. Death: You can read the issues without having an account, you just can't comment or create new issues. I didn't have an account before but I could still look at the issues and read the comments. Now I have an account so I can actually comment on issues and vote, as opposed to just reading the comments.
I would really hope it is forbidden to create multiple accounts though.
Echo (reporter)
2014-02-24 15:32
disc: Thanks you for your very supporting and sarcastic rows of text. I see how you are totally seeing my point and staying on the subject as well. Those word you put in my mouth to twist my message is also appriciated. Always is. Now all the fine people here can, in an even easier and mature fashion, get what I'm trying to say. Such a nice community we got here.
Why not add nuclear bombs while were deep into this discussion? They are realistic. Why not add gibbing of soldiers when they explode. People do that in real life! Oh, and what you wrote on child soldier. Why not? I mean, as long as the community here wants it to be added to ArmA 3. Haven't seen much talk about it though, so I guess not.
Oh wait, this is a suggestion thread on whether people want to add female 3d-models to the game, like in Arma 2, or not. I guess staying on the subject could be a good thing, so never mind. We can return to our fine discussion about child soldier when there a dedicated issue where most people seem to like them addded to a game like ArmA. See you then!
I want to also take the time to thank all of the hilarious sexist jokes above. Especially those "Get back in the kitchen" and 'bouncy boobs' ones. They are really cracking me up! I'd love to show it to my female friends, but they simple just don't understand our inside jokes here in the ArmA community. Shame.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-02-24 19:34
Echo, unless its freaking defcon 1 in the arma-verse then there will be no nuclear guns.
Child soldiers wouldn't be a bad idea for insurgency, but Greece its not africa.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-02-25 00:12
edited on: 2014-02-25 00:13
Echo: I must've missed the 'bouncing boob' comment. But I did see the videos of the female models swimming in the ocean. (ie. See attached videos for this bug.)
I think adding men, women and children civilians would be a nice accent to the game, but computer aided AI (artificial intelligence) is still seemingly computer resource expensive as of even today CPU's.
And be sure to mention my name when you talk to your female friends. ;-)
Think there's already an ICBM and nuclear bomb mod for ARMA 3. There are YouTube videos. And, they're already really close to my creepy old man profile of myself.
lpmikeboy (reporter)
2014-03-05 04:51
|I don't really have an opinion on this, but women civs would make sense
lpmikeboy (reporter)
2014-03-05 05:07
Oh wait the game takes place in 2030-something right?
I can see NATO having women for sure, the FIA, maybe the AAF, but NOT the CSAT.
gutsnav (reporter)
2014-03-05 05:49
edited on: 2014-03-05 05:50
Female civilians would be fine, maybe NATO / AAF servicewomen, but children? Having children would put BIS out of business for sure (people shooting kids... Wtf). Other games had women in uniform & stuff. Pretty sure Battlefield 4 had it, it'd probably be fine. I'm sure if they added women it wouldn't be like cosplay crap or whatever anyway.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-03-05 06:14
|Shrugs. Think having women and children civilians, would simulate real life more so along side a strict penalty for shooting civilians.
spark_23 (reporter)
2014-03-05 09:34
edited on: 2014-03-05 13:59
Childrens may be mode god, but, include childrens will make controversy, then is a option impossible. But women, why not? females are same that men in right etc etc, then they dont must be excluded in a game? A only men's game? Why? they only can play to sims? in ofp (bohemia/codemaster) have women. I dont see the problem. Childs is other history.
Goblinbutt (reporter)
2014-03-05 10:14
Why wouldn't CSAT have women in their forces?
They're led by Iran which has around 3 million combat capable women even today.
They're volunteers, but they're there!
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-03-05 19:08
Because CSAT are arabs, and most of the arabs in the middle east have the belief of the woman being a lesser person compared to mens.
And yes, childrens would make controversy, that's why they removed them (they have them on VBS3)
Kelevra (reporter)
2014-03-05 21:00
|What about cats ? (just kidding... :p)
Goblinbutt (reporter)
2014-03-05 22:06
|@Dr_Death - Go back and read that again before you start superimposing your own preconceptions.
lpmikeboy (reporter)
2014-03-05 22:35
|CSAT are Persians, not Arabs.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-03-05 23:01
|It could just be me; but from my experience, Persian cats don't like to be petted.
RoyallK (reporter)
2014-03-06 00:55
In the United States Military there are 214,098 female employed military personnel. That number consists of 14.6% of the Total US Military force. There is an additional 470,851 female soldiers in the US National Guard(15.5 % Of Total), and 118,781 female soldiers in the US Reserves(19.5 % Of Total).
The Czech Republic is a signatory to "CEDAW" or "Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women". You would think a Czech Development team would actually take the time it would take to include girls into the game. By doing this they'd also be opening their doors to a whole new set of consumers who are female. Knowing the game features girl soldiers, you could expand yourself to "Gamer Girls" who only play games with girls in them. There are many girls who love Arma 3 but are very disappointed that they are not included, and even rejected in the community. Not even a single model was created for them on your behalf..
This disgusts me as a long time customer of Bohemia Interactive to know you have still FAILED to achieve this.
Why should i continue to support your developments if you can't support 49.6% of the world's population.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-03-06 03:59
It just makes it funnier that a modder actually made a woman model in-game, and that it works just like any other BIS character (compatible with every cloth, weapon, etc.).
Many people ask me "why do you hate BIS?" and this is one of my several answers, they avoid making better things.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-03-06 06:19
edited on: 2014-03-06 06:47
Interesting to note, one of my (Protestant) Great Grandmothers was jailed (for a year during the 1700's) for speaking publicly against the Catholic faith.
From my point of view on this, I think it's more of an issue with proper time management and resources within the professional corporate environment. For example, many men would gladly and easily spend 110% of their time modeling females. On the flip, there's not a whole lot of female game players playing realistic first person shooter simulations.
In my opinion, it's more of a fact having women models within the simulation at this point is more of a want then a need. Besides, do we really want to see all our male buddies dressed in skirts within this simulation, versus in real life they would never do as such? (If I didn't already know, I swear to God some of these players complain so much that they're playing Army, and they're really girls at heart! ;-)
Everybody just wants sex right here & right now. But are you really prepared for the consequences of having to raise 3D modeled children as a 3D modeled peaceful and productive family? Or are you just going to revert to the 3D modeled bottle after getting what you want?
I think we easily overlook and forget about being thankful of the benefits we currently enjoy, such as having the first rolling release model simulation game versus the old static release with having no updates or bug fixes, and having imminent game make extinction on the horizon. I also think, had corporate decisions bent to every political request, the politically based requests would incur financial strain and jeopardize the current rolling release model of ARMA.
As for me, BIS can cut my 3D balls off and I'll still enjoy the game!
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-03-06 16:43
|We can overlook things already in the game because this is supposed to be a military simulator, and if BIS cannot do something that they have done from OFP up to arma 3, then this is not something about what we need or want, its more of their problem.
Terminator24 (reporter)
2014-03-21 17:55
|No thanks, I am tired of dudes posing as women in games. You can cut off your reproductive organ if you really want to be a chick.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-03-22 05:40
|Terminator, i had the idea that the ArmA community was mature and smart, please dont change that idea.
kbiebs123 (reporter)
2014-03-22 16:48
|Dont forget not just female soldiers, but female civilians too.
email@example.com (reporter)
2014-03-22 18:34
The problem isn't that there aren't female models. The game is absolutely fine without females. Females neither add nor detract from the overall quality of the game. The problem is that there is an overall lack of official content in the game. For example, in ARMA 2 vanilla, there was a variety of civilian vehicles (ie. Skoda 120, VAZ Lada, Honda Civic, VW Golf, various trucks, pickups), but in ARMA 3 you only get a hatchback, an SUV, a pickup, and a truck. Female character models are just another thing missing from ARMA 3.
The community is always free to port content from ARMA 2 or make their own replacements, but until mods become more integrated with the game (i.e. Steam Workshop integration, auto-downloading) ARMA 3 will continue to feel lacking in content. Undoubtedly, BIS will add this content in the inevitable paid DLC to be released a year or two down the road.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-03-22 19:21
email@example.com: "The problem isn't that there aren't female models. The game is absolutely fine without females."
Well stated. ;-)
RickOShay (reporter)
2014-03-22 19:38
|@email@example.com - basically this sums up the issue. Well said. Having numerous mods to 'patch' the game's missing content just doesn't work - currently.
OneKn1ght (reporter)
2014-03-25 12:19
|would be nice to incorporate
BadVideogamer (reporter)
2014-04-17 12:30
Can't wait for it, both female soldiers/civilians and civilian vehicles.
Check and comments for more ideas: http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=18433 [^]
MojoDog (reporter)
2014-05-04 18:10
|Would be cool to see some variations of body types at least.
fantommode (reporter)
2014-05-22 06:16
edited on: 2014-05-22 06:17
Well, personally I do not see a problem with this but a lot of guys are going to take advantage of this, and use female characters ... like they do in second life, where they pretend to be a girl just to get ... ahead... No pun intended. But I think the Arma 3 community is mature enough for men to be men and women to be women. I play way too many video games where this happens....so if you can find a way to mitigate this issue I say by all means. The gender of the character should be based off of Steam and not be able to choose it in game...
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-05-22 07:17
|Fantom, as i remember steam does not confirm gender, and i dont think the community is so stupid it cant tell a "girl" taking advantage of her gender, and i see no problem with people playing with the opposite gender role.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-05-22 07:42
|I, for one, can't wait to play the trans sexual Army medic dragging some helpless guy into the bushes!
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-05-22 08:00
|yeah that would be.... OH, wait, i forgot, YOU CANT DRAG PEOPLE IN ARMA 3. Shame on BIS.
fantommode (reporter)
2014-05-22 08:00
edited on: 2014-05-22 08:21
See ... this is what I mean, fucking stick to genders you fucking disturbed children, god damn it.
You see no problem, because you'd most likely fuck a tranny no problem, you and roger should become butt buddies. You're most likely one of the first to become a female soldier to try engage others characters for some pixel sex.... Take your sorry piece of shit life into second life ...youll be much better of there :)
and Yeah it's a big problem, well 75% of the people are fucking morons, so you tell me... Are you part of that percentage? lol
This is partly the reason they don't implement female characters into game ;)
Oh snap, did I just hear a toilet flush? .... You gots owned son.
Why the hell would I want to play a female character by choice, unless I totally have too (I.E mirrors edge, arkham city) People who choose to play female characters have severe mental problems or latent homosexual desires... :)
I support this and I wish to see it implemented in future installments of arma, I mean come on, what are video games without boobies? The game is infact a military sim right? ...Well aren't there females in the military? There are aren't they, and a integral part of the team just as capable as any man out there. So if the game is missing anything is that. :D
See a lot of people agree with what I have to say, and I agree with what some others have stated as well....
rogerx (reporter)
2014-05-22 08:26
You are correct about one thing, with the US Services allowing homosexual people in without any restrictions or legal guidelines, the game would be more realistic allowing players play as females.
As far as me playing as a transvestite Army soldier, hey, I'm just trying to blend in with all the other Army guys here! ;-)
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-05-22 20:43
|damn fantom, sorry, i didn't knew you were on your period.
fantommode (reporter)
2014-05-23 01:09
edited on: 2014-05-23 01:18
I am not angry, I am just emphatic.
I can't stand people who want to be shit they are not, those that can't conform with their bodies, you are what you are, it's scary fucking shit. I have not nothing against homosexuality, just saddens me and frustrates me, when people can't just live with the cards they are dealt with, it's life nothing is ever going to be perfect, but every single one of us is unique and a perfected imperfection... meaning even with all the flaws you might have, emotional psychological physical, you are perfect just the way you are...and when you fall in love and get married metaphorically speaking (Not that commercial cash scam)You cease to be two people, you become one...and yeah this might sound Jerry Mcguire cheesy shit, but you complete each other
(It's really really cheesy, come to think of it....lol)
people just stop focusing on genders (And not only genders a lot of others things as well)...the people of earth need to stop being men and women, and just be human....
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-05-23 06:50
|Agree, but i dont think that you have to be the same one in the games as you are in real life, that's part of the fun, to be someone you are not, and its something you seem to fail to understand. And mostly my comment was because out of nowhere you started cursing and bitching like if i just won your house in a bet.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-05-23 10:05
Homosexuality is nothing more than a misconception or having misleading beliefs.
Happens to a lot of us while we're young and not knowledgeable. Basically what happens when you start praying all the time to the Great Booby Goddess.
Echo (reporter)
2014-05-23 13:00
To be honest, I think some of you make this more of a problem than it would really be.
Advantages of having female player models in ArmA:
• Diversity amongst civilians, story scenarios in missions, and even soldiers.
• Female players can play their own gender if they so wish. You go on about male players using female models as being a bad thing, yet right now, female players must play as male models. Isn't that hypocritical?
Disadvantages of having female player models in ArmA:
• Would take a great deal of resources for Bohemia to create that could be otherwise spend on gameplay feature issues.
The whole "people will take advantage of this" is not a REAL problem, nor a valid argument against implementing this as a feature, in my opinion.
Right now, I don't think female player models should be a high priority issue to fix, but if Bohemia find time and resources, they should, yet again in my opinion, add it to ArmA III.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-05-23 18:06
|but its not hard at all to make it, there is a modder making a WIP female playermodel that works 100% fine
rogerx (reporter)
2014-05-23 23:45
edited on: 2014-05-24 00:06
I used to play in first person view all the time while on the ground and not flying. Recently within the past couple of months and using TrackIR, I've grown accustomed to using third person view while on foot as this viewing angle provides a much more realistic viewing of information versus being restricted to first person view and only seeing a one by two foot window of the world.
Since I'm usually always using third person view nowadays, yea, it would be nice to see a girl's butt versus some other guy's butt in my face all the time!
What would truly drive me nuts, is if I wasn't able to see my chest because of the obsessively restrictive viewing angles.
Biwi (reporter)
2014-07-14 09:54
|I think, the breast animation of a Weapon is not that problem, when the female soldiers are in their uniforms AND BIS made allready Womans in A1/A2, so its not impossible...
celticalliance (reporter)
2014-07-14 15:10
I thought the Arma community consisted mainly of mature people, instead of people who keep repeating themselves and feel they are entitled to share the same opinion over and over, and use every new comment made to spread their opinion again and again? Geez guys, get a life.
I am in a clan and our CO is actually a female player. She just enjoys games really, and mostly remains silent because of the mumbo jumbo testosteron type of male players hanging around.
This is a feature request and in my opinion a valid one. I don't give a shit about all the reasons given by some hardcore "this is a male world" attitudes about not allowing female models. This is a freaking game, not real life, and in most games there actually are female models.
Voted up.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-07-14 20:43
I see it as, if a person has time to "join a clan" and they're not tied to a bed because of some unfortunate accident or injury, then they are obviously not working hard enough in life! (ie. People are routinely slaving in life just to provide a roof over their heads and food on the table.)
As far as freedom with what people have to say, so be it as long as it's not defamation or provoking a fight.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-07-15 05:59
|Then what are you doing here, roger? if you can, why aren't you saving people in africa?
rogerx (reporter)
2014-07-17 07:09
Dr_Death: You obviously have no idea who I am, or a very low IQ.
There's also a saying, "Don't shoot the messenger." (Obviously from the history of the threads of this server, people are slow learners.)
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-07-17 18:58
|pretty much the first one
Kilroy the Nerd (reporter)
2014-07-29 00:04
|I can understand why people here may not want the women to be soldiers, but there should at least be the model available as civilians, yes? Unless BI community really doesn't want about half the human race.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-07-29 00:08
House wife, maids, with lots of kids.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-07-29 00:26
|Roger, do you try to make a smart comment every once in a while?
rogerx (reporter)
2014-07-30 04:00
I was somewhat serious. (ie. See past comments concerning implementing more civilians within and around the houses.)
On a side note, thought feedback was suppose to exclude comments about others' personality traits? ;-) ... Yes I'm very smart.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-07-30 05:28
|Obviously, i can see that crystal clear
celticalliance (reporter)
2014-08-24 11:55
edited on: 2014-08-24 12:04
Why don't you keep your freaking mouth shut? If you insist on ridiculing everyone's opinion because you seem to be the God of wisdom here then you can kiss my European ass. And what's that lame talk about people joining clans and what not? How fucking stupid are you? What does that have to do with female models and what not. You really have issues with women playing games do you?
If you don't like my opinion, then just ignore it and leave the mature talk to someone else the next time I say something. And for those wise asses now saying I don't speak in a mature way myself right now, no I indeed do not when it concerns people who clearly feel the need to talk down on opinions they don't like.
If you wanna turn Arma 3 into the game YOU want Rogerx then by all means join the developers. But in the meantime just keep your fucking mouth shut because it is obvious most people don't give a fuck about what you say. At least I don't. The reason I replied here is because you again ridicule something I say and I am not afraid to tell anyone who does that to shove their opinion up their ass.
I surely hope I will NOT run into you while playing. It's people like you I do not wish to play with. And having that said, I am done talking to you, pompous ass.
rogerx (reporter)
2014-08-25 04:19
|celticalliance: Here within the US we believe in freedom of speech. Shrugs. Would you like a hug?
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-08-25 06:28
Your freedom of spech is not valid when you preach hatred or discrimination against race/gender/country/etc.
Freedom of speech is not a mastercard, it has its own limitations.
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2014-08-25 07:45
|This probably won't be in Arma 3. Arma 5, maybe? Highly doubt it will make it in to Arma 4 either. It isn't too important anyway.
gibonez (reporter)
2014-08-25 11:44
Completely not important. Especially with women not in Combat roles.
Not sure why Social justice warriors are so concerned that a niche military simulator caters to women.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-08-25 22:24
"Especially with women not in Combat roles."
That is not true, womans were allowed non front lines jobs up until last year, where in the US they let them go into the front lines.
Its not important, but its not a big deal to add and it would satisfy many.
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2014-08-26 02:26
|By saying "its not a big deal" are you trying to point out that's its something we shouldn't complain about if its added or are you trying to point out that women are easy to add to the game?
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-08-26 04:40
|That they are easy to add. A modder already added unoficcial woman models with ease.
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2014-08-26 04:52
|I'm assuming the person just put female heads in, right?
InstaGoat (reporter)
2014-08-26 10:53
Seeing as this is essentially a gamer equality issue, this should be some motivation for BI to move into the 21st Century:
http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-women-largest-gaming-demographic/ [^]
There are more female adults playing games across all platforms, and not representing them in the game is not just a slight oversight.
Again: this is NOT really about wether or not female soldiers in the front line make sense or whatever in real life: this is about acknowledging and representing the existence of female gamers even (That I have to use that word to begin with is a shame.) among our community (who likely are more than you think, and not making themselves known precisely because of the prevalent sexism exhibited here and elsewhere.).
Activision managed to do this. Where is BI on this?
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-08-26 11:43
|i am not gonna get into gender equality, THTC, you can find the mod yourself, its a whole different person model with more female proportions (and someone should make different body sizes and structures for the males too)
rogerx (reporter)
2014-08-28 00:18
|Dr_Death: Shrugs. I don't know where you're getting the perception I'm preaching hatred, and considering it freedom of speech.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-08-28 04:18
|I never said i thought of your comments as preaching hatred, but if every word said can be called freedom of speech we should be able to insult everyone and be as much racist as possible. Of course. However: "Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man's nose begins"
rogerx (reporter)
2014-08-28 15:48
I always thought provoking or intimidating another person as an illegal act, or as bad as the actual committing of the intended crime.
Probably should generalize the word "Your" (or more correctly "You're") within your last statement just prior to "right to ..." and rewrite as, "People's right to ...".
I believe you're basically stating people are exploiting freedoms for their own wants and needs, again still illegal in my view. Exploitation has always been the next thing in line following the Ten Commandments, according to history as well as within today's world. (ie. I have ten wives, but at least I don't have 20 wives like the guy next door.)
RickOShay (reporter)
2014-08-28 16:02
|I thought this was an issue tracker not a personal forum for certain people to dominate and show their ignorance, bias and how socially maladjusted they are.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2014-08-28 18:37
|No. What i mean is that your argument of freedom of speech is not universal. You can do and say whatever its accepted by laws both in justice and moral (although i dont agree with the latter) while its not offending anyone (and i mean OFFENDING, not "tumblr" offending)nor it lacks loigc.
Pearl84 (reporter)
2014-08-30 09:32
I have women playing in my game server and ask me to add character woman. I hope that Bohemia add the female character.
In fact there are women in the army and in Arma mod as there are Altis Life that are RPG and we also play women.
SilverDude (reporter)
2014-09-20 16:28
|I am surprised the devs haven't said anything to this yet.
betterhidegood (reporter)
2014-10-02 02:57
|please add... along with a option for people to not enable it on their servers.. that way everyone happy! thanks!
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2014-10-02 03:21
|Probably not going to happen anytime soon. Maybe in the expansion plan. They've already planned their road map, and their probably not going to change it now.
celticalliance (reporter)
2014-10-02 11:47
edited on: 2014-10-02 11:56
This is totally not relevant to this ticket, but since Arma 3 is supposed to be a milsim or at least close to it, Bohemia may want to read this and consider adding female models:
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140912/NEWS/309120058/Women-invited-apply-Ranger-School [^]
It's not exactly for combat roles, but still it does say something the Rangers are willing to see how they can fit female capabilities into their units.
I know chances are slim this will get female models in the game, but we can always hope can we? ;)
In the meantime our CO is using a mod...
rogerx (reporter)
2014-10-03 19:17
|Would be nice if we could also play as a "whiner"! ;-)
Goblinbutt (reporter)
2014-12-06 19:08
edited on: 2014-12-06 23:08
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/women-soldiers-to-serve-in-front-line-combat-units/ar-BBgoTTW [^]
To the 33% : There goes your frontline troops argument.
vlad_8011 (reporter)
2015-01-02 15:18
|If there is a mods so why you are opening this thicket, making other important tickets in back?
RickOShay (reporter)
2015-01-02 16:05
|@rogerx - I thought you already did ;)
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-01-02 17:48
|Yo, Vlad, i dont know about you, but just because "there is a mod for it" it doesn't mean we have to be softer or lazier to the devs and/or publisher.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-01-02 19:27
edited on: 2015-01-02 19:28
RickOShay: Whining because the military medics in the field do not know how to properly perform an emergency prostate examination! (Winning! ;-)
izver (reporter)
2015-01-02 21:02
|This is exactly the kind of the thing that a mod can fix. No need for devs to waste time on this right now.
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2015-01-02 21:15
|The Dev's already explained why they can't do it right now.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-01-02 22:13
|Right, i am sure they are busy adding even more sway and reducing the soldiers fatigue!
rogerx (reporter)
2015-01-03 21:50
Dr_Death: Rooting for the soldiers to break-out into a dance if the sway or fatigue is increased much more than it is already! Maybe we should add some hallucinogenic red & blue disco lights too during increased fatigue levels?
Anyways, off-topic but Dr_Death does have a serious point concerning the sway & fatigue levels being completely unrealistic. So much so, I'd rather live real life instead of trying to play a game as some zealous realism server admins try to promote such game settings. (Comment has no bearing concerning the "Phoenix Realism" game server, as the title is somewhat a misnomer.)
I say again, I too would love to look at a female butt while in third person!
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2015-01-03 22:39
|I have a feeling that if they put official females in ArmA 3, the editor will cease to exist...
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-01-03 23:13
My point was not to complain about sway and fatigue (although they are pretty bad) but that "BIS is busy on other things".
BIS is developing the game, wether they are busy on a certain thing or not it doesn't matter, this feedback works for the very game they are working on and a ticket that asks for something, even if it can be done by a mod, has the same weight as a CTD happening to half the users.
On top of that, what is BIS working on so much? they barely relase updates or even sitreps nowdays, and its not just ArmA 3, not even DayZ nor TOM has seen a lot of activity since november.
Laqueesha (reporter)
2015-01-23 09:22
|BIS has said that there's news about an expansion coming soon later this year. Hopefully females are in it!
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2015-01-23 13:12
Maybe their scared of people RP prostitutes or something...
That would get them in trouble even though it's not their intentions.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-01-23 20:48
TakeHomeTheCup: From my legal point of view concerning laws of national regions, I don't think so. A ban on import would be more likely, if at all. People are usually allowed to dream without the local police knocking on their doors.
Personally, I see no issues. However stepping back and looking at this from a more humorous point of view, maybe you're inciting their Country has more girls per men? ;-)
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2015-01-23 21:27
The only reason I said that they might get in trouble was because people got annoyed that in GTAV, you can do stuff with women...
Filed lawsuits and all that "fun" stuff.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-01-24 17:32
I'm not an expert at International law, but I guess in some countries they could file lawsuits or whatever, but within the US it would be more of a State issue with allowing the box stores to sell the game if it had an X rating.
But from my perception, having female medics (within the game) perform in-the-field prostate exams (with insert your favorite big gun) sounds interesting.
vlad_8011 (reporter)
2015-01-29 20:43
I am not discriminating womens but... everywhere, where the woman appear the war or some conflict is starting - history shows that as a fact. Every reading this woman please stay colm and read full. I love womand and respecting them, and i hate discrimination of them, and just imagine what happen if womans appear in A3... Dear ladies you will not be able to play this game no more, beacuse there will be just caricatures of you speaking men sound. After that moders will do their job and pornography start appear too. It will just make situation worce. We all know that there is womans in the army, BI know this for sure too, but in this game (where you can do more things than in real) lets just stay where we are.
With respect to all womens, vlad_8011.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-01-29 23:46
I couldn't agree more and cannot add anymore than vlad_8011 has stated above!
I'm sure vlad_8011 has stated enough, that we can now conclude & close this bug. Later, we can all get together and share a beer! Peace, love, happiness, hugs & kisses all! :-)
otreblA_SNAKE_ITA (reporter)
2015-02-05 12:10
I think we shouldn't think "women shouldn't appear" because there's the risk of pornography, it doesn't make much sense to me!
The biggest problem, maybe, could be the voice recording: even if the previous Arma had female voices (but not female faces, which were there in OFP - but without any female voice), Arma 3 has none.
To me it's "ugly" to see such a "completely manly" world: civilians, soldiers, everyone is a man!
For sure it's not a tragedy, but it would be more immersive, realistic and respectful (also for every kind of player) introducing women!
goldblaze (reporter)
2015-02-05 12:37
|I'm of the opinion that, while it'd be nice to see some female PC models for SP and MP, I'm not sure it matters, all the female friends I have that play arma don't care that you can only play as a guy in the game.
RickOShay (reporter)
2015-02-05 13:59
It's a pity that some Arma3 players are so socially maladjusted, biased and bigoted. Over two thirds of the 1,900 votes on this issue vote for the inclusion of female characters and this includes female civilian models which will obviously be very useful for mission makers. (Incidentally the vote count for only female civilian models would probably be significantly higher).
So rogerx this 'bug' as you prefer to put it is not concluded. On the contrary in fact, the need for female characters is clearly there and the bulk of the people have voted for this feature to be added in future releases of Arma3.
And you can continue to spout forth until you are blue in the face - the bottom line is the Arma community has spoken and you aren't going to change the outcome.
vlad_8011 and rogerx perhaps you guys should get together and play a really manly game of Arma3 together - you seem well suited.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-02-05 17:26
|RickOShay: If you look back in the history, you'll see I tend to agree, as I'm having to look at my own butt all the time. Sure would be nice to see a female every now and then.
celticalliance (reporter)
2015-02-06 09:46
I have been watching this ticket for a while now although I decided not to add anything to it anymore, but some people are clearly acting like kids over here. Not to mention trolling, because some of them really can't let it go, can they?
Vlad, your comments about history and conflicts - totally irrelevant. Women are serving in the Army, sometimes even in combat roles, so who are you to bring in history and women's involvement in such? Get over it, the times men could confine women to their homes and what not because the men wanted to feel good about themselves are long gone. Ever heard of equality?
I also can't believe this ticket hasn't been closed already, or that at least some people were blocked from posting in this ticket. Those that really wish to leave a serious opinion or actually treat this request seriously are being ridiculed by a certain group of individuals that clearly don't have anything better to do and are so stuck in their male dominance and wisdom of the game that it is actually becoming more of an annoyance when they decide to yet again repeat themselves over and over.
BIS, close this ticket or at least block some people from posting here. Some people are just not mature enough to discuss anything they don't like in a serious way.
csathdfw (reporter)
2015-02-09 17:03
there is alot of women playing arma3 and its mods, most you find in life-mods (RPG) and AW I&A (coop).
and yes, most of them dont talk, or tell that they`re female... as for why scroll up and read through the comments above or be happy with explaination: "OMGOMGOMG A GRILL :o I HAVE TO SHOW HER MY PEN.."
FYI: there are 6 women in my 38people counting preferred to-play-coop-with group, but only 1 would choose to use a female character to play, while 12 of the group (males) would choose to use female avatar.
I personally would want to see female characters ingame aswell, but I also believe it would be greatly exploited for trolling and sexist purposes as I learned when playing PlanetSide2.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-02-09 18:28
|Why only show a girl your pen, when I can show off to them my nice big clicky Unicomp/IBM Model M keyboard!
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-02-09 21:10
|i show pencils to every girl i see
TakeHomeTheCup (reporter)
2015-02-09 22:00
Doesn't really matter. It's not like pointing out how girls/woman are in the military or how many play ArmA will make the job of creating them easier.
Bohemia didn't say they don't want to put females in their game. They said they don't have the resources.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-02-09 22:55
|Ditto. Wish everybody whining about this bug would just hold their pants on!
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-02-10 03:27
|"We dont have the resources to make a new character model, but a free modder can without using any money and just his will and time, but we cant because we spent thousands and thousands on the prize of a mod contest based on popularity"
L0rn1x (reporter)
2015-02-24 15:58
Up Voted
Women exist, civilian women needed. women have the right to play with a female character model.
RickOShay (reporter)
2015-02-24 17:38
|@Dr Death - you are kidding me is that a formal BIS reply to this issue - can you post the link please. I am going to take this issue further.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-02-25 03:02
|It was not exactly a quote. I was missusing them, i was speaking my mind there, but if i remember correctly i once heard a low rumor somewhere obscure (and it was the sole excuse for BIS related to female player models) is that they cant put resources in development for them.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-02-25 04:17
edited on: 2015-02-25 04:17
Sounds good to me! I need that arm rest fer me gun!
RickOShay (reporter)
2015-02-25 11:50
|@Dr Death - not cool! You deliberately put quotes on that comment to pass it off as a BIS statement. From what I have read from the BIS developers they are expanding and recently employed a lot of new talent - so I think the reverse is now true they have the resources to add female civilians and potentially female soldiers. This is a necessary requirement if nothing more than to make civilian life more realistic than it is now.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-02-25 16:15
Well I just realized, If there were more female programmers, maybe this problem would be solved already. I mean, what would people say if all the programmers were female with a male executive in charge, and the models were still based on men? But then again, we'd probably still end-up with all male models within the game.
Another way, the females can lynch the leading manager and install their own wonderful female manager or female executive for guiding all the male programmers into a more proper direction?
Personally, I'm not much for lynching after studying the results from past history. ;-)
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-02-27 21:28
|rick, i never tried to pass it off as a BIS statement
Pesoen (reporter)
2015-03-02 11:23
sure, it would be nice to have females in here as well, but if i know some of those sexism things, they will complaing, think about it for a second, in the game, you can undress down to your underwear. so the same should apply to female models. allready now you can see where i am going, because, suddenly, the awesome war simulator, known as arma, becomes a sexification of females, and then they remove the models, and then they oppress females, so they readd them, with more clothes on, and they opress women again, and the cycle repeats, until arma is no more.
no hate in any way, but thats how it usually goes, if its not in there, its sexist, if it is in there, the same way with male models, its sexism, if they get more clothes, its oppressing.
or maybe i am getting all of the articles online wrong, and im too sleepy/drunk to write all of this, point is, it might be best to leave them out, until its a proper model, and everything is though about carefully.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-03-02 16:12
|Pesoen: Most sane and rational post I've heard yet!
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-03-02 19:06
Peosen, you make some good points, but the underwear in arma 3 its anything but sexual in design, the same could be applied to womans, on top of that, woman soldiers dont look like supermodels or porn stars, they are not all that sexy to begin with.
On top of that, people can always just altab or quit the game and search for actual porn.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-03-02 19:41
"... but the underwear in arma 3 its anything but sexual in design ..."
I disagree.
RickOShay (reporter)
2015-03-02 20:26
@Pesoen so let me get this STRAIGHT. You are saying that a virtual catch 22 of sexism and oppression would be created if BIS adds female characters that are able to be undressed - like the male characters in Arma3.
As you know Arma2 has had female character models for some time, and from what I understand, Arma2 is still doing really well. More importantly I haven't heard of a single case of "sexification" as you put it - in Arma2. I might be a little out of touch with mainstream 'sexification' so correct me if I'm wrong.
Sure certain deviants that play Arma3 could spontaneously remove their female clothing whilst on a public server and create an international virtual incident. There is clearly a risk of this happening.
Perhaps once Arma3 releases this feature you should immediately logoff the server you are on. Then start a private game with rogerx and Dr Death so that you guys can continue this weird fascination you obviously have with female avatars in the privacy of your own private server. In this way Arma3 can continue without the risk of implosion.
Pesoen (reporter)
2015-03-03 07:46
@RickOShay as stated at the time, i was both sleepy, and rather drunk, so it might not be wrong all together, and i do know of the arma 2 female models, however, i thought they were only part of the DAYZ mod,(dont play arma 2 anymore, got globally banned)
and im sorry if you just see me as some deviant, because i like to watch female player models in their underwear(which it to me seems like, based on the last thing in your note) however, this is not the case, its just based on the way females are portraied in games, and how my mind is wrapping around it.
i once saw a picture to describe it perfectly, with some game(cant remember entirely) that only had male models, but a lot of females played it as well, so the devs added a female model as well, which was too sexy, so thye changed it a small ammount, and it was oppressive, they then decided to remove the female alltogether, simply because it was too much work.
@rogerx thank you for believing my drunken self :D
@Dr_Death sure its not in any way sexual, but have you looked at the buldge in the underwear? obviously the male model was a hunk, so just think of how the female model would look, even with non-sexual underwear, it would be sexy as hell.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-03-03 09:45
i dont know you but i have seen womans outside xvideos, redtube, brazzers and reality kings and non-sexy womans, or womans who do a lot of physical activity, and use clothing for physical activity, dont usually show too much skin.
Even then, they could do like the male underwear, and add a small boxer and a shirt.
gordonbays (reporter)
2015-03-04 15:21
|Female models are NOT a priority. Lets focus on serious matters as rendering grass at target or adding more weapons.
vertebrate (reporter)
2015-04-10 18:16
|I always thought the survival games could use females for breeding. What is the point of surviving the apocalypse if you cannot breed female survivors and fight off the competing men who want to steal your harem? What greater glory is there in life than raising your sons to protect your property and females from hording looting competing tribes?
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-04-10 23:07
|I bet vertebrate could write a book about science fiction called "Missing the point"
rogerx (reporter)
2015-04-10 23:47
Finally somebody posts some sound evidence for the issue!
Up until vertebrate's posts, all I heard was whining for girls with no rational basis.
-POET- (reporter)
2015-04-21 21:04
|WOW! This feedback thread has gone way to far and incredibly stupid! I voted YES for female soldiers to be included, but I'd actually like to see female civilians first! I do believe that there are more important things that BI needs to work on right now besides character models and gear to fit those models, but I would like to see female soldiers and civilians in the game. I have NO idea why there are not at least female civilians to begin with....we got them in A2 and OA. I think we can all agree that BI left a lot to be wanted upon the release of A3. There was and still is a lack of weapons, vehicles, etc... Now, I am totally grateful for A3 and all the hard work that BI put into it. There is NO other game that we get this type of freedom. On that note I do think that BI has created a pretty decent foundation, but is totally relying on usermade content to progress this title.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-04-22 02:33
-POET-: You need to watch the video from the international Game Developers Conference in San Francisco containing Project Lead Joris-Jan van't Land's lecture at a panel titled, Gaming the Laws of War.
There are good reasons why babies are not simulated within the game.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-04-22 03:12
|Sorry roger, but i have yet to hear why you are so much against womans in the game
MemphisBelle (reporter)
2015-04-22 08:33
|This issue has been discussed to its end already and BIS made clear why there are no female models in the game, which doesnt mean that they wont be there for ever. So as this is said I suggest that the discussion about sense and senselessness about having female models or not should be continued in the forums...you guys are turning in circles here
rogerx (reporter)
2015-04-22 22:32
edited on: 2015-04-22 22:33
Unfortunately, Czechs' Sexist Tradition May Nearly Be Ova
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-03-09/features/0003090053_1_czech-women-suffix-ova-post-communist-countries [^]
freexavier (reporter)
2015-05-05 13:30
|I don't like want it. Why? Because if this happens. Every guy would be choosing the girl model. Just like in DayZ Mod and DayZ SA.
otreblA_SNAKE_ITA (reporter)
2015-05-05 13:46
edited on: 2015-05-05 17:06
Dude, what you're saying makes no sense and sounds like: "Let's not make an assault class, otherwise every guy would be using it!"
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-05-05 21:34
|i dont think the arma 3 community is so fucking immature everyone would be playing as a girl, and i dont find the problem in everyone playing as a female character.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-05-05 22:03
As I stated in my past comments, I'm a guy and definitely would play as a girl.
It's better than watching some other guy's butt in third person view all the time.
And with all the other supposed whining Army guys around, my character would likely socialize better.
vertebrate (reporter)
2015-05-08 16:06
edited on: 2015-05-08 16:15
Females are substantially weaker than males.
I think it would be in keeping with the milsim style of gameplay that if females are added to the game their stats should be correct. Whatever load makes a male soldier tire should make the females tire twice as easily. The female "max load" should also be reduced so that they cannot carry the heavier equipment, like the GMG tripod. Females should also suffer fatigue twice as fast when sprinting unarmed and unarmored, and their sprint speed should also be reduced.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-05-08 17:03
|If it would be a milsim then the reduction should be between 5% to 15%. Then again, this is not about simulating the weaker muscular bodycomplex of the females, but about just giving an option without any gameplay changes.
vertebrate (reporter)
2015-05-08 17:49
edited on: 2015-05-08 18:04
5-15%? Sure, fine. Although I would argue that 15% would be more reasonable, seeing that the USMC physical fitness scores on the 3 mile run for a 21:00 minute completion as 82 points for males but 100 points for females, an 18% difference. a 24:00 minute 3 mile run has a 22% difference, 82 points versus 64 points.
http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-pft-charts [^]
In a recent experiment at Marine SOI (School of Infantry) 40% of females graduated as compared to 95% of males, a difference of 55%.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/marine-corps-puts-a-few-good-women-to-the-test-1415394846 [^]
In the US Army females are given 100 points for 42 push ups, while males must complete 71 push ups for 100 points. That's a 41% difference.
http://www.military.com/military-fitness/army-fitness-requirements/army-physical-fitness-test-score-chart [^]
BullHorn (reporter)
2015-05-09 10:20
|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracal_Battalion [^]
vertebrate (reporter)
2015-05-09 16:01
|http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rRfCpQx_FDE [^]
Syn (reporter)
2015-06-14 01:44
|+1! There should be a few female playable models.
Chris Acrobat (reporter)
2015-06-17 13:13
edited on: 2015-06-17 13:19
I would be satisfied with just a splendid female face and voice, but of cause wouldn't I complain if more where implemented.
Aazu (reporter)
2015-06-22 15:17
|Female soldiers would be nice in future (tbh, dont really care), but now I _really_ hope they will focus on something more important, like optimizing game to run better FPS.
Arkhir (reporter)
2015-08-03 18:32
edited on: 2015-08-03 18:36
As long as they're portrayed in non-combat roles, I don't care. But I think there are other priorities than that.
It would be nice to have some in-engine support for female models, though, even only for civilians.
Reapzer (reporter)
2015-08-03 19:35
I don't think being discriminatory on what roles they have seeing as there are woman who serve in combat roles, even if it isn't the first role to which they preform.
Plus it doesn't even matter if they're in a military role or not, I think having the support for females would be good.
Chris Acrobat (reporter)
2015-08-03 19:54
|I only want a playable head for all the strong female Arma-worriors! I don't really care about if the hole population of Altis and Straits is 100% male, as long as players are able to play as females.
vertebrate (reporter)
2015-08-03 20:35
I agree that females play important unique roles related to combat and should be incorporated for those special roles.
For example, the enemy is often highly motivated to gain access the conquerored female civilians. This is an important aspect of war.
Females also cause a lot of infighting and backstabbing among male war fighters because females are favored by SNCOs and their peers and will often sleep around and cause a drop in morale. This is an important aspect of war.
Females also famously need to be rescued from behind enemy lines when they crash their planes or their APC breaks down and they surrender without a fight.
Females are also able to fulfill certain non combat roles in war, such as nurses and "entertainers" which would be nice to incorporate into the next single-player campaign story.
It is also only equal that females be able to command enemy troops and thus become eligible as HVTs for my troops to assassinate and defile their bodies.
It is very important we incorporate female roles in combat games.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-08-03 21:41
"Females are also able to fulfill certain non combat roles in war, such as nurses and "entertainers" which would be nice to incorporate into the next single-player campaign story."
Dont forget the girls that suck dicks to rank up, complain to the COs when someone says a bad word, gets pregnant and takes a paid leave and stays home bragging about how strong she is for joining the army
Echo (reporter)
2015-08-03 22:34
|You guys are not even trying anymore. That is just straight up trolling.
Chris Acrobat (reporter)
2015-08-03 22:50
|Echo: Agree. I was before thinking about telling BI to remove this tread, they have surly got the message by now.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-08-03 23:14
|oh no, i was joking with my comment, but i still agree that the game should have females. OFP had them, ArmA 1 had them, ArmA 2 had them, why not this?
Reapzer (reporter)
2015-08-04 01:51
First of all, vertebrate.
That last line isn't needed, and as for the women do this and that to get ranks, isn't the guys fault for being easy to bribe. If a favor is all it takes I'm surprised there is any armies to begin with.....
Woman will always have roles in war, where you like it or not. They should be added not for stupid reasons but because it adds diversity to the game, I'd also suggest keeping comments aimed towards the request and not throwing out remarks about women because your bored.
Syn (reporter)
2015-08-04 04:46
A bit off topic, but, mods, can we please remove the trolls out of this? It's polluting the discussion.
To everyone else, please don't feed the troll(s).
vertebrate (reporter)
2015-08-04 05:03
|Honestly I love women and think they should be in the game! Why are you abusing me? I have to admit that after I kill another person in the game and I go over to their body to defile them, to tea-bag their face, I feel kinda gay. I wish it was a woman so I could tea bag her.
Fighting Power (viewer)
2015-08-04 11:24
|Tea bag enemy? Play Battlefield or Call of duty, this meant to be simulation. Women in arma series appear only in Arma (Operation Flashpoint) Cold war Crisis and i remember she had good voice cover for cutscenes, but in game she was talking men sound, what was stupid and was verry bad immersion. If someone want women in game please call the modders, its not Charlie Angels.... Its it possible to vreate their model, but in this case voice cover specially for them is needed which mean other DLC propably, as this require loooooooooot of work as scripting for this voice, record new animations (maybe), and record this voice cover......
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-08-04 16:50
|Your sarcasm detector is broken, power.
Fighting Power (viewer)
2015-08-05 10:08
|Really? This could be done by DLC in my opinion - who wants it - buy it, who dont want to - tea bagging men enemies....
Split_0x (reporter)
2015-08-07 02:14
edited on: 2015-08-13 02:31
This is very important to me that I don't play a game that sits on stereotips!
Ok Us Army may not have tons of female shooters, but on the other side not making advertisment of What women can do won't make the future change. Arma 3 seems to be set in future...
It's not obvious from itself why "women" should be fighting as men in Arma 3.
When you have friends that works on gender equality, you do understand that most of our present understanding of gender is due to our education and mostly "conditionnement". Ie what leads to stereotips.
Arma can be a modern game.
During 40's there were few women that were able to pilot the Spitfire. Those women were only allowed to convoy the plane from factories to airstrips. Even if Britain was running low on pilots in good state.
Women are not weaker than men, women can have bigger experience of pain than men, also they can behave differently (for our century) and tend to be wiser manager than men... It's just like any hypocrit racial argument, how can you behave the same when your cultural background is different. It sounds like someone says women have less iq because they are less often high graduated than men. Depending on which side of the atlantic you're from, this is freespeech or sexism comment (not to mention trolling on such a subject is clearly disrespect) Assuming this I won't blame you. Sry for politic being off topic.
In fact, as in august 2015 it is critical to avoid gender issues because it is actually discussed over public debates. (speaking about northern/western countries prob not Russia idk) So BIS is making a light antipolitical mistake by gaining time over this feature. Then BIS only decide when it should be economicaly ok for adding(as if only money matters). As mentioned above Devs won't start from scratch as they can use voice and basic face skin from previous Arma iteration. Nobody wants a bad game without gender issue. Hopefuly Arma 3, even if not a strong as Arma 2, is far from a bad game! (:
Except epoch I've never played a female toon in 1200h gametime.
Vanilla Rpg is totally unrealistic, does 2035 the year of female mass extinction.
Why women don't fight? Because they cook!!! "We can do it"...
Fighting Power (viewer)
2015-08-07 13:49
|https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/153675-female-soldiers-01-alpha-modders-resource/ [^]
otreblA_SNAKE_ITA (reporter)
2015-08-07 15:20
edited on: 2015-08-07 15:20
It's very good, but it would be better if BIS would implement it by default in their game :)
Tanoa can be a good "cue" for that :)
PS: There's also this one
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/170082-zee-identity-pack/ [^]
Asteliks (reporter)
2015-08-07 16:39
|BI finally acknowledged this post! Could it mean something?
freexavier (reporter)
2015-08-07 18:58
|Please no. Its gonna be stupid playing online and everyone is a female solder. Look at the other games. They most guys choose females characters....
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-08-07 19:54
|i am pretty sure no one is gonna want to be a female all the time, xavier. People always pick female characters because they play MMORPGs
freexavier (reporter)
2015-08-10 04:27
|Oh really? Look at AW and Ghost. Those games are not MMORPGs or even a like. Yet they still choose female characters.
Echo (reporter)
2015-08-10 09:26
|Freexavier, since there are script commands that can set a certain identity, face, voice and such on characters, I'm sure you'll be fine.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-08-10 23:14
|xavier, i dont play COD, but ive never seen any server 100% filled with female characters only, maybe, because unlike MMORPGS, COD doesn't has to oversexualize their own characters.
freexavier (reporter)
2015-08-11 17:48
|Also I forgot to mention DayZ SA. They should make this low prioritized. They better work on newer content and fixing bugs than adding useless female models.
Chris Acrobat (reporter)
2015-08-11 19:24
https://mobile.twitter.com/Arma3official/status/630688296235085828 [^]
(First positiv note-entry in a long time)
X39 (reporter)
2015-08-12 01:51
My 50ct
1. cant believe how many retarded SJWs are here blowing this tracker with their bullshit without knowing anything about the actual game ...
2. (the actual useful thing) I do not think Female soldiers should be added to the game because of the following quite simple arguments:
- Requires duplicates for pretty much all models + a way to detect the gender (more scripting stuff needed)
- Pretty much all mods which bring in new content would be broken as soon as female soldiers wear that stuff
- Keeps away personell from the actually important stuff: <fill in here your desired vehicle/weapon/expansion>
and btw. thats the reason why pretty much ALL games just use the gender of their main audience which is for ArmA (and most shooters) the male part of humans
it is simply expensive to create extra everything for both genders (in both: time and money)
so i please BI to not do it unless they really got nothing else to do as there is like a ton of other stuff to do in ArmA 3 before we even can spend time on wasting ressources to duplicate everything for just little changes like tits ...
if the "request" would just "need" faces & voices then well ... do it
but that would also just cause a shitstorm of SJWs and a new ticket to give the tits to the people ...
to conclude this post (AKA TL;DR)
<Dont do it as there is pretty much no female ArmA player and the ressource need for this task would be way too high>
Echo (reporter)
2015-08-12 08:13
X39: You're a good lesson on how to not get your point across, calling people in this thread retarded SJWs, and then proceed to teach them an alleged lesson about game design.
Yes. There would be a lot of work required. I like how you made a list of three points that say the exact same thing, just using different words to pad that list.
There are female arma players. I can't phantom the cave you must live in. It must be nice. Oh, wait. You meant that you don't know any female arma players, therefore there are no arma players?
Your only real argument is valid, that it would eat resources, sure. If you think about it, consider this feature-request as just that. A request if Bohemia has time. In the end, it's up to them.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-08-12 09:23
|well, its not like if girls NEED to have a female playermodel, but the feature would be nice, since the army is known to have a bigger female base than the marines, and since this is not middle east, having female civilians would fit the game pretty well. The problem is that some people in this ticket either says that woman playermodels are REQUIRED, wich is bullshit, and others think that having woman playermodels will somehow ruin the entire game, the playerbase, the mods, bohemia forums, the developers, the physics, the universe, your computer, and steam.
celticalliance (reporter)
2015-08-12 10:05
I'd like to invite X39 to our server and play with our CO, who happens to be female. And I know a couple more ladies who actually play Arma 2 and Arma 3, so all this mumbo jumbo about women not playing the Arma series of games - I call your bluff.
As for the models, I believe I never said anything about it being required, it would be nice though to accomodate the female audience playing this game.
Chris Acrobat (reporter)
2015-08-12 10:22
edited on: 2015-08-12 10:23
I can add two more to your list! As I'm sure a lot of peoples that have upvoted this feature also can do.
Syn (reporter)
2015-08-12 17:14
|Ok, we really need a cleanup here now. Don't feed the trolls, people.
X39 (reporter)
2015-08-12 19:45
edited on: 2015-08-12 19:48
good you just read quickly over my post and took whats most important for you
SJWs are definitly in this threads which every non-retarded can see just by reading through the notes above (just like stupids are in between there too ... but thats a different story)
also it is not like i say three times the same with different words
its three different aspects of the same underlaying basic argument
people usually call that "explaination"
if i would just have said "it costs ressources" (which i also did for people like you in the very end at the TL;DR section) there would have been questions like "ye? so wher zis taks rez?!"
to avoid them i simply show them where the work will happen
in regards of the unrpooven facts ...
head over to here:
http://3drt.com/ [^]
and now imagine you would make a special model just for you instead of spreading it all over the world (as theese here are not made specially for somebody and instead sold to multiple individuals or companies)
this still not includes the employee costs which can vary (dont know the ammount of money for BI employees but still we can assume they are in averange at least)
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/221533/Game_Developer_Salary_Survey_2014_The_results_are_in.php [^]
according to this fancy thingy
93.251$ for the programmer, which is needed to implement a way to differ between gender & the different models (one person + a week should be enough for this thus 23.312$)
54.833$ for the QA, so we dont get totally bugged shit (depending on the QA team size can vary, should require at least 2 weeks to test enough with at least 4 people thus 109.666$)
74.349$ for the actual artists which change the different models needed for the secondary sexual characteristics of the female body (AKA tits + in theory shoulders and hips too due to different average) (let it be 3 people working there, per model one man day + an additional day fixing stuff caused by the new model for each available animation/model which hopefully gets done after a month making additional 223.047$)
95.682$ for different audio set caused by females (for simplicity we take the same ammount due to me having no idea how to get this at least in a realistic ammount ... so 95.682$)
73.864$ for the game designers which alter ALL configs and scripts of the vanilla game which should also take another month and make 5 people busy for the lil ammount of 369.320$
so lets add up:
nearly onemillion fucking dollars for a minority of people in ArmA 3 and pretty much all mods which provide new content being broken to unusability (and yes ... believe it or not! i KNOW there are female ArmA players and those 4 i met out of a few thousand male ArmA players have been mostly just playing the game because their boyfriend does (3 of those 4))
great deal if you want to cause heavy rage at every modders "workplace"
also this assumption not even took in account all those other fancy costs which would be caused due to this and assumes that everything works fine instantly without any thinking time or whatsoever
thus youre more realistic if you assume 2.000.000$ for that change
i hope i could show you something out from my "cave" why i fucking said in the end (which you most likely did not read just like the other idiots who just answered to my note)
new models? no fucking way
just face models and voices? spent the money
but i think it was easier to ignore what i actually said and just rage about my comment
if you dont want to get insulted then why you did that with me!? so go **** yourself
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-08-12 20:09
|well, i am pretty sure developers are paid regardless of wether or not they work on female playermodel
X39 (reporter)
2015-08-12 20:15
For sure they get
but they get paid for different stuff
its not like when they do not work on this they are just idling around doing something
in arma is a ton of stuff still to be added and researched fe. how to improove the performance on multi-core systems
the question is thus not if you want to tell the idle developers to do something for their money, the question is do you want to invest that much of money for a full implementation of the female gender
i say no simply because its too much work to do it proper
thus either dont do it at all in this arma generation or JUST add the voices and faces ignoring everything else
problem here: due to the fact that it is already implemented by a mod, why should BI care then?
more or less wasting money to implement the same a mod already did? the community would rage just like it always does
Split_0x (reporter)
2015-08-13 01:14
Just my 2 cent,
You forgot price of free press add in pcgamer and Frankie's vid
Echo (reporter)
2015-08-13 08:18
edited on: 2015-08-13 08:28
A lot of assumptions in those money calculations.
I doubt that it would take a programmer (or whoever manages the configs), who has worked on ArmA every workday for many years, to implement another 3D-model into the game. I'd guess there would be a lot of copy-pasting and switching out different lines here and there to reference different models, rigs, animations and textures.
The artist would not change the male models. They would make new models from scratch (Believe me or not, it would be easier). An artist would be needed for the 3D model itself, probably another for the textures, and a third (and probably fourth depending on how they work), for a animation rig + animations.
Keep in mind that Bohemia use motion capture, so they don't sit and hand animate everything for a million of hours.
Bohemia did a lot of motion capture for DayZ Standalone earlier as well. I doubt the don't know how to do it efficiently by now.
This is where the heavy work is required.
Voice actors would have to record a whole soundboard ( "Enemy" "At" "8 o'clock" ) and so on.
That config and script-part... What? Keep 5 people busy for a month? Are you real?
It takes minutes to reconfigure items in arma for new additions to a mod. Even if you have to go around the, actually not so large, assortment of items and equipment in ArmA, it would not take 5 people a month.
As for QA, they would check for animation bugs. It's a new model, not a entirely new character code.
Game development is expensive, but I think that you are imagining the most expensive possible case.
Keep in mind that this is for a new graphical asset. Doing this will not take time away from making the game more stable at it's core.
Sure, there are a lot of extra work to adapt all the gear for the new female model, but that would apply to a mod anyway. They could start with a basic set of gear, and expand on it as they go.
Now that Tanoa is about to be released, I'm sure there are a lot of available graphics artist anyway.
"due to the fact that it is already implemented by a mod, why should BI care then?"
You can say that about everything in ArmA. Mods fill the game to the brim with content. Bohemia can implement things that mods can't though. Like the weapon resting system and sling loading (sure, those were in mods too, but they looked horrible).
But Bohemia also has artists that do assets. So it's mostly a question of what asset prioritize, not if you're going to make something or not.
Why should they make campaigns or missions if there is an editor available? The people who make those are getting payed too! There are even voice acting, and A TON of custom animations for the campaign, and most people doesn't even bother with it at all! (I did, and I actually liked it). What an outrage!
"more or less wasting money to implement the same a mod already did?"
Again, bipods and sling loading. They just made it look prettier. It's the same thing. They even borrowed a programmer from VBS, if I recall correctly, to do the code for the sling loading. Something which wouldn't be required for just adding new 3D-models for a character. They are not exploring new ground by implementing a new 3D-character model like they did with bipods and sling loading, or even the fire from vehicles function.
What should they else be doing? The most important thing would be new terrains. Imagine how much stuff there is on Tanoa that is new? Do you really think that making a female playable model would be such a big deal amongst that ton of fully textured 3D-models that they just made for the expansion?
"in arma is a ton of stuff still to be added and researched fe. how to improove the performance on multi-core systems"
How would making 3D-models and implementing them even slow down the improvement of game perfomance? Game engine programmers do not (necessarily) implement assets into the game.
- - -
I'm not putting a gun towards the heads of Bohemia and telling them to make female models. I asking them if they can, and have time for it.
Again, yes, there are a lot of resources required to make a female playable model, but not in the entire scope of the whole ArmA project.
Bohemia has no publisher, and as such, they get to keep all that sweet money they make.
Also, keep in mind that 9 women do not create a baby in 1 month. Just because they "sacrifice" one 3D artist to do a new human model, doesn't neccesarily mean that <Insert thing you think is more important> gets done in a less timely fashion.
Edit: I should really stop feeding the trolls though, as someone above mentioned. Wasting my time here.
Chris Acrobat (reporter)
2015-08-13 11:25
"Also, keep in mind that 9 women do not create a baby in 1 month." - Echo
Sorry, but best comeback ever!
Syn (reporter)
2015-08-13 14:32
|yeah, the million dollar calculation was absolutely hilarious, par for the course of his argument.Don't engage. Sealions just can't stop. It's not in their nature.
X39 (reporter)
2015-08-13 15:07
Je we all laughed
As i see you dudes can do it for way less i and hell lot faster
Give you a week
Then show me your mod
Bi already said they do not have the ressources and i showed you why
Ignoring the fucking reality is easy but being that dump?
Im out
Go hate some more
Lukio (reporter)
2015-08-13 19:28
|How difficult would it be to just make a male model look a bit more feminin? Without all new animation sets etc.? Sure - she would walk like a grunt, but hey female soldiers don't walk like they are walking on a catwalk. Maybe a compromise would be a good first step. Maybe it is time to get an outside opinion on the best way to approach this controversial issue - if done right Bohemia and Arma could get quite a lot of positive attention.
Hatchet_Harry (reporter)
2015-08-13 20:14
|With female models, i could build nightclub tycoon in arma :D
Echo (reporter)
2015-08-13 21:56
If we assume the adapted male to female model would have full combat gear on, I'd reckon that you'd get away with it.
Women do move in a different way than men due to slightly different bone structure (and probably other physical reasons too), but as a compromise, I guess that you could get away with that too.
The problems start appearing if the model is wearing lighter gear or common clothes (as civilians). It would be quite noticable.
Dardo (reporter)
2015-10-04 14:08
|It would be nice for game modes like Altis Life(Role Play)
freexavier (reporter)
2015-10-04 21:14
|So that what it is... Just for Altis Life.....
Dardo (reporter)
2015-10-04 22:18
|Yep,not useful for anything else,in my opinion.
freexavier (reporter)
2015-10-06 00:56
|Exactly! Not worth putting the money and the effort of the devs to make them. Their better off trying to fix the game instead.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-10-06 02:28
Just wait for when female AI are implemented.
As usual, we'll have server administrators bumping the female AI skill level above all reasonable human intelligence. Then the server administrators will then again start complaining the game is no longer using maximum CPU/GPU resources along with complaining of frame rate stuttering, and will not give much thought for the remote possibility that the female AI have been given too much power.
drebin052 (reporter)
2015-12-06 06:35
edited on: 2015-12-06 06:39
Forgive me if it hasn't already been mentioned, but wouldn't an ideal solution to prevent the issue of female units wearing male uniforms be solvable simply by adding new parameters to the UniformItem class?
Right now modelSides can be used to restrict uniforms to being worn by specific sides only (i.e. a uniform with modelSides[] = {0, 3}; can only be worn by OPFOR units and civilians).
Add a new parameter called modelGender (and move modelSides from the Man class to UniformItem instead) that accepts an array of integers like modelSides but only accepts three values; 0, 1 and 2, with each value representing:
0 = male-exclusive uniform
1 = female-exclusive uniform
2 = unisex uniform (does the same thing as a 6 value for modelSides)
modelGender can accept either '0' or '1', or can be combined with '2' like this: modelGender[] = {0, 1, 2}; to create a unisex uniform.
However, '2' overrides all the other values so even if you put modelGender[] = {0, 2};, then the uniform will still be unisex regardless. When attempting to wear a uniform, modelSides will still be used to validate whether a uniform can be worn or not by the unit (so OPFOR females cannot wear BLUFOR female uniforms for example, but female civilians can still wear any side's clothing for females but NOT wear male outfits).
So with this new parameter, uniform configs will look like these examples:
* Combat Fatigues (MTP) - wearable only by BLUFOR male units
class U_B_CombatUniform_mcam: Uniform_Base
class ItemInfo: UniformItem
modelSides[] = {3, 1};
modelGender[] = {0};
* Fatigues (Hex) - wearable by OPFOR male and female units
class U_O_CombatUniform_ocam: Uniform_Base
class ItemInfo: UniformItem
modelSides[] = {3, 0};
modelGender[] = {2};
modelGender could also theoretically be applied for use on other equipment like vests and helmets if needed to prevent clipping issues with certain models.
As for scripting commands, forceAddUniform would still be usable to make a male unit wear a female uniform (even if it would look strange). isUniformAllowed should be changed to check not only modelSides but also modelGender.
email@example.com (reporter)
2015-12-06 07:13
I don't think the technical implementation is the problem. I think the problem is whether or not BI is willing to put in the time and money to make female assets with radio protocol and everything. Female models isn't a game-breaking issue. At the end of the day, it's another low-priority feature request. I wouldn't expect women to return to ARMA until ARMA 4.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-12-06 15:22
OK. I give-up.
I want a female model in the game to have similar big breasts as the girl in the Movie Airplane. I want them to jiggle like they did in the Movie.
jcdarma (reporter)
2015-12-13 10:27
|Downvoted. This is obviously a very low priority issue since the game has thousands of issues which seriously hurt gameplay. A cosmetic thing like this doesn't deserve any attention just to please some social justice warriors.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-12-13 17:39
But on the flip, I do sort of enjoy the prospect of ARMA Life substituting for "the Sims" virtual world game.
Imagine one day having almost real civilians within your ARMA 3 battlefield.
Dr_Death (reporter)
2015-12-13 18:48
|It would actually be a better experience, forcing players to identify civilians, since the island of altis and stratis are *SUPPOSED* to have cities filled with civilians.
rogerx (reporter)
2015-12-13 19:15
|And what really bugs me, you can likely dress as a civilian and still automatically (within less than one second) be assumed as enemy and be shot by the enemy AI!.
freexavier (reporter)
2016-02-08 14:57
I can't believe that this issue is the second most voted issue in the top vote list, "Low CPU/GPU Utilization" being the first...
Arma 3 suffers from many issues and the players are concern of adding female characters in to Arma? This issue should be one of the last things the devs should do and least of what the players should be concerned with.
Echo (reporter)
2016-02-08 15:32
|Freexavier, 3D artists do not fix many of the issues that ArmA 3 suffers from.
X39 (reporter)
2016-02-08 22:59
@drebin052 how would that solve the problem?
for now: all uniforms would be male
not female
also, the female average in ArmA is about how high? 1%? 5% if we take life mod into account?
in general: this is a feature request for a non-priority group
there is more reason behind when asking for good PC ports then asking for female player soldiers (ask for world peace, more likey to happen w/o budget)
firstname.lastname@example.com: +1 low prio "issue"
rogerx: tard ... your "argument" is not helping the "discussion" about wehter or not it is useful
Dr_Death: regardless of if you play ArmA life or non-life modes ... in the end: the modder behind would mostl ikely skip AI entirely as thats just a hell of a shitty work to do behind it ...
just imagine a math exam with the importance of the last 10 you wrote
it is at the same work load then what "you would expect" :)
rogerx: BS! civilian AI is always set to non-enemy unless you explicitly set em to non-friendly or non-civilian!
freexavier: its a SJW stupidity issue ... that BS is like asking why more ppl are for women rights then for human rihghts .. whilst in those countries where the human rights are not rly something to ask for anymore are those which already conclude women righst (you might now ... most man are having less rights in this world then women have))
so ... in the end: never ask why this is second highest! ask why ppl are willed to vote for this bullshit
greetings X39
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