text: Comments (176) + Add comment Comments (176) Featured « 1 2 » Excalibur + 967d ago It's nice to be given something "Free" with your paid Gold subscription but just like everything with M$ it's a half hearted effort. I can see them now behind closed doors with their little charts and graphs figuring out which games sold the most and which would be downloaded the least because of it and which games you can pick up used for $5-$10 because the are 5 years old. Again not really B!T(#ing because they are free (at least to the end of the year) but just like most things with them it's too little too late, Sony has been giving away great games for 2 years now. I always see this pattern with M$, they see something that is really hot and trending and then they jump on it like it's something special after all the hoopla has died down and people have move on to something else. #1 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(85) | Disagree(76) | Report | Reply EVILDEAD360 + 967d ago | Well said There is ZERO downside to getting free games regardless. Even if you got rid of live after downloading all 10 thy are yours. There are 20 million gamers who have Xbox Live and NO game on any system has 20 million in sales on the 360 or the PS3, so there are people out there new and old gamers that will enjoy this regardless of the silly hate. Sure Fable 3, Assassins Creed and Halo 3 are older games that you can get cheap used. But, the FACT is they are all on sale as digital downloads through MS at 19.99 a piece. That's 60 dollars in savings right there and there are 7 others coming. Free for gamer = good as no one bought Live for free games. I'll just keep taking these crazy fire sales MS has been having. I bought like 10 games & DLC in the last 3 months on those sales alone. Evil #1.1 Agree(78) | Disagree(46) | Report | Reply Godmars290 967d ago | Trolling | show GameCents + 967d ago | Well said Godmars, get off your high horse and quit trying to spin everything xbox related into a negative. I didn't have Fable 3 and I sold my Halo 3 and Assassin's Creed 2 a few years back when I was cash strapped. Are you seriously here trying to show gamers that there's a down side to getting games for free? I'd understand if Gold was a free game service like ps plus but it isn't. Everybody who subscriber to gold does so for the sole purpose of playing online so getting 2 extra games on top of that is a positive no matter how you and the rest of the drones try to spin it. I've never defended paying to play online and I never will. But when I get 11 free games that I wasn't expecting then you can be sure I will protest when you and your ps branded sheep come in here and try to convince me it isn't a good thing. When my subscription runs out, I'll get to keep my 11 free games. Can you say the same? #1.1.2 Agree(67) | Disagree(23) | Report nukeitall + 967d ago People never seize to amaze me. Program has barely announced, and they give you free games. Those are quality games, but they still complain! It's not like they give you crappy small games like PSN plus when it started. Nobody really complained then, so why now? I know, because it was MS, not Sony offering it! #1.1.3 Agree(40) | Disagree(30) | Report Godmars290 + 967d ago "Are you seriously here trying to show gamers that there's a down side to getting games for free?" Why? When you're trying to spin it only as a positive. Trying to equate getting ten games over a few months as something as good if not better than PS+ has given out when it includes discounts. At this point Sony is and have been giving out free games regardless of having PS+, and plan on making a slew of F2P multiplayer titles available for the PS4 outside of it's multiplayer paywall. As far as I know the 360's gotten Wold of Tanks but that needs Gold. @nukeitall: "Program has barely announced, and they give you free games." It really needs to be said that MS is going by Sony's example, just like Sony copied MS with achievements? #1.1.4 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(17) | Disagree(52) | Report GameSpawn + 967d ago Just pointing out something everyone is missing here, this is not the same a PS+ by ANY means. Microsoft is giving away those games "UNTIL the Xbox One Launch". This is NOT a continuous service. There is a FINITE number of FREE games. You have no control of what is being offered. You may already own and have finished many of the games they'll offer and the trade in value of these games so that you can get some money off your duplicate retail copy is likely $6-$10 and sells used for $20-$30. Yes you can keep these games, but the selection is FINITE and the offer is subsequently FINITE. PS+'s free games are for the duration of PS+ and it's a CONTINUED service. Meaning the limit of free games is only as finite as the PSN service's existence (which is not going away anytime in the near future). How many free games have PS+ users gotten thus far? Also once you've finished the game loosing it because your subscription ends is not so bad because you got your use out of it and at no cost beyond your membership (which gives you other benefits too). Also you have something to show for it in terms of the trophies you earned. In the end: XBLG Free Games - 10 Free Experiences that never go away for any reason PS+ - Infinite Free Experiences that only go away if your service ends (and you have MORE than advanced notice of when that happens) #1.1.5 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(26) | Disagree(22) | Report Wintersun616 + 967d ago What's up with the spinners here? People are getting something for free from MS and someone is still nitpicking and desperately seeking negatives from it? I play my games primarily on Sony consoles, but I still see that this is a step in the right direction. Even though the first few are older games, it doesn't matter, it's still a good thing. #1.1.6 Agree(24) | Disagree(5) | Report Godmars290 + 967d ago "What's up with the spinners here? People are getting something for free from MS and someone is still nitpicking and desperately seeking negatives from it?" Because they're going on to say that its better than something else. As has just been written above your comment, this is a temporary thing and the people who are praising it are saying its better than another ongoing program. If this was just about getting the free crap there wouldn't be an issue, but its not just about free crap. Its about praising a company which seems to only mess with its customers. Of misrepresenting itself. #1.1.7 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(14) | Disagree(35) | Report Wintersun616 + 967d ago @Godmars290, "Because they're going on to say that its better than something else." I do hold the same opinion that PS+ is better than what MS is offering right now, but that's not the topic of discussion now. I was referring to the very first comment here, which was trying to degrade the value of free games from MS. Some of you can go find things to complain about both sides somewhere else. #1.1.8 Agree(14) | Disagree(4) | Report Nevers + 967d ago From this long time XBL member and defender... thanks, MS, but it's too little too late for me. Glad you're finally doing something like this though. #1.1.9 Agree(11) | Disagree(8) | Report OOG 967d ago | Offensive Why o why 967d ago | Offensive dedicatedtogamers + 967d ago The effort from Microsoft is nice, yeah, but this is a temporary measure (the program only continues until Xbox One launches). So, it isn't meant to compete with PS+. It's meant to keep you as an Xbox Live subscriber for the next few months so that you're slightly more likely to buy an Xbox One. It's a defensive measure. Nothing more, nothing less. #1.1.12 Agree(14) | Disagree(5) | Report greenlantern2814 + 966d ago Yes free games are a good thing, only down side I see is that unlike sony ms will only be to the end of the year. hope they change that, and as a sony fan I download plenty of free games already, this is not something people should be complaining about. Points for ms on this decision anyway. #1.1.13 Agree(4) | Disagree(1) | Report Why o why + 966d ago Not sure why my comment was marked as offensive Gifted games shouldn't be downplayed. Yaris challenge was a joke but these games are not. I was actually sticking up for ms's attempt to give more back to their customers. Whats so offensive about that...smh #1.1.14 Agree(4) | Disagree(0) | Report Mounce + 966d ago Yea, cause I totally want to get Assassin's Creed 2 as a first Free game, a game I already 100% and got every trophy(On PS3) and such. How old is this game again? They're giving out OLD free games that everyone has already played and the sales for it is low enough to equate it to being minimal profits. So yea, Sony's PSN gives you free games that are barely old, brand new, brand new discounts and Microsoft in contrast is giving Xbox Gold Members TABLE SCRAPS. That's what you're getting, Table scraps....that's not even over-exaggeration... #1.1.15 Agree(5) | Disagree(3) | Report Old McGroin + 966d ago @ Godmars290 ""What's up with the spinners here? People are getting something for free from MS and someone is still nitpicking and desperately seeking negatives from it?" Because they're going on to say that its better than something else. As has just been written above your comment, this is a temporary thing and the people who are praising it are saying its better than another ongoing program." I don't see anyone above saying that this program is better than Sony's, all I can see is you saying Sony's program is better. Actually, all I can see from your comments is you creating arguments out of absolutely nothing. So what if people like this program? Are people not allowed to like something? You have to stick your negative nose in where it's not welcome? ""Are you seriously here trying to show gamers that there's a down side to getting games for free?" Why? When you're trying to spin it only as a positive." Had to laugh when I read that comment! Get a life for yourself. #1.1.16 Agree(5) | Disagree(4) | Report aquamala + 966d ago these games are FREE TO KEEP even if you stop paying for gold, you don't need to keep subscribing to ps+ to keep renting their "free" games. #1.1.17 Agree(1) | Disagree(1) | Report pixelsword + 966d ago Yeah, in respect to the games and the pay to play, this puts it on par with the PS4 in every way now, unless I'm missing something. #1.1.18 Agree(0) | Disagree(3) | Report Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II + 966d ago evil dead i could buy halo 3 and ass creed 2 for the price of 2 2litre cokes. #1.1.19 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report Outside_ofthe_Box + 966d ago @nukeitall... ***"People never seize to amaze me. Program has barely announced, and they give you free games. Those are quality games, but they still complain! It's not like they give you crappy small games like PSN plus when it started. Nobody really complained then, so why now? I know, because it was MS, not Sony offering it!"*** Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. Interesting how now you want to compare the two services as when they started instead comparing both at their current state like you usually do, more importantly, how come you aren't complaining how this is hurting the industry? http://n4g.com/news/1231714... I know because now MS is doing it instead of Sony alone so now it magically doesn't hurt the industry anymore! #1.1.20 (Edited 966d ago ) | Agree(5) | Disagree(2) | Report justastranger10 + 966d ago This is so much better than PS+ because you can keep these games after you decide to end your LIVE subscription. Can't do that with PS+. Once you decide to not subscribe. You lose all your games. Sucks. #1.1.21 Agree(0) | Disagree(4) | Report NewZealander + 966d ago godmars the games are FREE...i get to keep them FOREVER! hell i own over 80 games so there will probably be nothing for me anyway, but how can you act like giving out free stuff is bad? i wont go down to your level and use these free games as a reason to take cheap shots at the competition either, they should be enjoyed for what they are, and at least they are full retrial games not arcade! i also bought max payne a while back for $9 in a sale and RE6 for $5, so the deals on XBL have been awesome lately! #1.1.22 Agree(0) | Disagree(2) | Report Funky Town_TX + 967d ago wowAs if the free PS + games are mega hits. You can only expect to see gamea that rerail for $20 to be on any free list. #1.2 Agree(9) | Disagree(36) | Report | Reply Parapraxis + 967d ago "As if the free PS + games are mega hits." Uncharted 3, Little Big Planet, Demons Souls, Borderlands...all pretty much "mega hits" ". You can only expect to see gamea that rerail for $20 to be on any free list." Utter nonsense. Halo 3 and AC2 are VERY old. The cost to buy them is far less than most games (even PSN titles) that you get with PS+. Anyways, just read this and feel like a dumbass. http://www.hardcoreware.net... #1.2.1 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(39) | Disagree(11) | Report Zechs34 + 967d ago Really? We just got those mentioned by Parapraxis and I, for one, LOVE that they just gave XCOM as well. Those are all Game of the Year games. #1.2.2 Agree(9) | Disagree(1) | Report Blacktric + 967d ago You do realize that they're giving Battlefield 3 and Saints Row The Third along with a couple more games starting in early July, right? #1.2.3 Agree(22) | Disagree(1) | Report gta2800 + 967d ago You obviously dont know squat about PS+. Recently they've been giving good games. I got Demon Souls, Sleeping Dogs, Saints Row 3 LBP Karting and many other good games in just these past weeks alone. I didn't mention Uncharted and many any other games because I already own on disc but there's a lot of good variety that PS+ offers! #1.2.4 Agree(15) | Disagree(4) | Report kayoss + 967d ago Can we just be happy that we are getting more for our money from by subscribing to xbox live gold instead of just cross chat? Free games are free games regardless. If im able to save $1 on anything i would gladly accept it. #1.2.5 Agree(12) | Disagree(0) | Report joefrost00 + 966d ago Nobody brings up the fact psn dont really give you.free games and that's the difference If get rid of the service the so called free games aren't yours anymore they are large space taken on your hard drive Were as xbox you get to keep the games even if you lose your gold membership PlayStation just really manipulated you into making keep your plus membership But MS and PS hqve there tricks #1.2.6 Agree(2) | Disagree(6) | Report HeavenlySnipes + 966d ago Well only this year we got Arkham City, Deus Ex, Saints Row 3 and Uncharted 3 InFamous 2 and LBP2 are forever there as well Lets be honest, almost every gamer has played through Halo 3 and was there during its prime MP years. Assassin's Creed 2 is also in many many people's library. Games like Deus Ex that are good but not popular are great candidates #1.2.7 Agree(3) | Disagree(0) | Report gamenation 966d ago | Spam bohemian 23 + 966d ago Everyone has not played these games, the only one I have 100% is halo 3. Ne er played fable 3, or assassins creed 2. I'll gladly take them for free. Quit comparing the two, I get to keep my games, no matter how "old" they are. #1.2.9 Agree(0) | Disagree(2) | Report Perjoss + 967d ago "I always see this pattern with M$, they see something that is really hot and trending and then they jump on it like it's something special after all the hoopla has died down and people have move on to something else." Give them a little credit, after Microsoft introduced achievements some of the biggest names in gaming copied them, Playstation, Apple, Steam , Blizzard, I think UBI soft also have some kind of achievement system now. Personally I dont really like Microsoft, specially after the recent attempts to DRMify everything, but credit where its due. #1.3 Agree(13) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply Godmars290 + 967d ago And all achievements points have done is trivialize the "gaming experience". Gotten hardcore gamers to play crap like Barbie's Dream House to increase the size of their e-penis. #1.3.1 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(8) | Disagree(26) | Report 4Sh0w + 967d ago Wow Godsmar new low from you, in here only to bash something thats positive. I dont know anyone and have never seen anyone who plays Barbie games for points, sure there are likely some gamerscore nuts but they are the exception not the rule. You get more respect from what kind of games you play not just points but you already knew that. #1.3.2 Agree(10) | Disagree(2) | Report Mainsqueeze + 966d ago Lol at this Godmars guy coming into a 360 article and just bashing everything for no reason...get a life dude. #1.3.3 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report GameCents + 967d ago Sony has been renting you games for 2 years now. Xbox Live Gold games are yours to keep forever. Why is it that every single move by Microsoft is analysed by N4G and spun into a negative? Quit shoving your SONY love down our throats. Go make babies with your playstation brand elsewhere please. #1.4 Agree(14) | Disagree(26) | Report | Reply FunAndGun + 967d ago How many years have you been renting your right to play games online? $400+ over the life of your console JUST to rent the multiplayer portion of your games. It is about time you get something of value for the years you were a willing ATM machine. #1.4.1 Agree(16) | Disagree(8) | Report Wintersun616 + 967d ago How hypocritical of you GameCents. I don't agree at all with those people you are complaining about, but you're doing the very same thing, only on the other side of the fence. PS+ is good, MS giving free games is good and that's it. #1.4.2 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(3) | Disagree(4) | Report Topshelfcheese + 966d ago "Sony has been renting you games for 2 years now. Xbox Live Gold games are yours to keep forever." That's all well and good, but its a promotion, you are getting 2 a month til the end of the year. They didn't say it would continue into next year. And besides all that, who the hell would not have a gold subscription, you can't do anything on the 360 without it... #1.4.3 Agree(5) | Disagree(0) | Report gameonbro 967d ago | Spam 3-4-5 + 967d ago They give games away for free that everyone has already played.....3-5 years ago Give us some games we may not have played. #1.6 Agree(3) | Disagree(4) | Report | Reply 3-4-5 + 966d ago yea true. It's cool they are doing it but it's one of those " For show" type of things. If they really meant it they would release 10-20 games Right NOW for Free.. It wouldn't hurt them financially at all. #1.6.1 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report DragonKnight + 967d ago The thing is, whether half hearted or not, this is Microsoft giving something away for free. MICROSOFT! That is something everyone should remember. Who cares if they are inferior, old games and PS+ offers newer better experiences. Microsoft is giving FREE games. This is a company that started the charge for Avatar clothing on consoles. #1.7 Agree(0) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply redwin + 967d ago All this negativity is getting old early.RME...@@ #1.8 Agree(2) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply BallsEye + 966d ago Atleast games that you get on xbox YOU KEEP even if you dont have gold. ON ps+ they take it away from you so NO YOU DONT GET FREE GAMES ON PS+, YOU RENT THEM. #1.9 Agree(1) | Disagree(7) | Report | Reply DragonKnight + 966d ago Just stop. Seriously. The games you're keeping on Live aren't worth keeping, that's why MS doesn't care if you keep them. #1.9.1 Agree(5) | Disagree(3) | Report BallsEye + 966d ago @DragonKnight STOP? Wait, you were crying over that MS is restricting games and now you are happy sony is only LENDING YOU GAMES while you pay monthly? Why would I stop? Those are the facts. Unfortunately fanboy denial is incurable. Just because you don't like the games doesn't mean others don't. #1.9.2 Agree(2) | Disagree(4) | Report PimpDaddy + 966d ago Both XBL and PSN are giving/renting quality "older" games that are NO LONGER selling significantly DragonKnight. Just because you may not like what Microsoft is offering doesn't mean everyone else feels the way you do. Lets not overhype what either Sony or Microsoft are doing. It's not really costing them any significant amount of money to provide these games digitally. Especially since they are making residual income from PS Plus/XBL fees. And to be honest since PS Plus will be "required" for multiplayer on the PS4 then the whole renting/owning argument BallsEye is bringing up is moot since you have to continue to subscribe to PS Plus anyways. I recently tried a 3 month trial of PS Plus on my PS3 and I can understand the value argument. I ran out of room on my 120GB HDD before I could finish downloading all the games I didn't already own. Can't beat that... I think it's great that Microsoft is including games as part of XBL membership. In this regard Sony led the way and is forcing Microsoft to offer more value to be competitive. In the end ALL gamers win!!! #1.9.3 Agree(2) | Disagree(0) | Report NSANiTY + 966d ago Got to say that it is nice that Microsoft is giving away something for free. That's the bottom line. Old games, yes, but good games also. Curious what happens if you run out of hard drive space and end up deleting these games to make room for something else. Do you then have the option to re-download those games at any point and time because you had downloaded them in the past? I forget how that works on 360, I haven't used mine in a while. I know on PS+ that even games that are no longer listed on PS+, as long as you've downloaded them (or started to download them) in the past, then you can just re-download the game again, no problem. Also can use them on multiple different PS3's with your PS+ log in. Was just curious about that. Either way, getting free games is awesome. Wouldn't mind playing Halo 3 or Assasins Creed 2 again if I still had a Gold account. #1.10 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply plaZeHD + 966d ago Isn't that the same thing Playstation Plus, getting "free" games? #1.11 Agree(2) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply Corpser + 966d ago Not the same at all, these are yours to keep and own forever, ps+ "free" games you are just renting while you're a subscriber #1.11.1 Agree(1) | Disagree(3) | Report Mutant-Spud + 966d ago They had the Walking Dead for free a couple of weeks ago, it's not my cup of tea but it was a popular game. #1.12 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply YNWA96 + 966d ago MS giving away xbox one for free! Sony fanboy, oh, but you got a free PS3 when you signed a 3 year contract with a cell phone provider! Clearly a better deal! MS must be up to something evil! Point is, you guys are unreal.... And I know a lot of the people complaining are actually getting an xbox one, but want everyone to see you as a pure sony sweetheart.... #1.13 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply Knushwood Butt + 966d ago lol 'free' #1.14 Agree(2) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply ichimaru + 966d ago "I can see them now behind closed doors with their little charts and graphs" stopped reading there. Please leave the conspiracy theories at the door #1.15 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply nosferatuzodd + 966d ago indeed well said #1.16 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply chuckyj1 + 966d ago Not to mention that with the Xbox free games they are actually yours forever. Even if you cancel your subscription to gold you still have access to every free game you downloaded. Unlike the PSN+ you only have access to the "Free" games as long as you are a member. The Xbox Live gold games are free forever. #1.17 Agree(2) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply TukkerIntensity + 966d ago except that you actually have to pay for XBL to make the console even half useful in the first place (and probably have been for years). Kind of a catch 22. #1.17.1 Agree(1) | Disagree(1) | Report Syntax-Error + 966d ago Such a tardThey offer free stuff and you can do nothing but BITCH ABOUT IT? Almost makes others feel like if that's how you feel about it I don't blame them for being assh*les towards gamers. Can't make anyone happy any damn more. That's like EA saying they will give a free game to the first 100,000 purchasers and you cry about the 100,001 guy that doesn't get it. What a cry baby #1.18 Agree(0) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply ALLWRONG + 966d ago The part I like the most is you get to keep the games. #1.19 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply AO1JMM + 966d ago free is free though. #1.20 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply NewZealander + 966d ago The difference with xbox free games is you get to keep them, even if you dont renew gold, with ps+ you only get the games free whlie you are still a ps+ subscriber, so to keep them you have to renew your account so its kinda like your hireing the game, and what happens in years to come when they close the ps3 servers down, you no longer have the game. #1.21 Agree(0) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply moparful99 + 966d ago Ps+ is connected with PSN which is continuing on to the ps4. So your concern is moot until the day that PSN servers shut down.. #1.21.1 Agree(2) | Disagree(0) | Report shaenoide + 966d ago they can't give away "new" games because for the last two year There was no big exclusives relased ^^ #1.22 Agree(0) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply blackberty + 967d ago Sony give away latest games, where as MS just give away games you can buy for £2 preowned. #2 Agree(41) | Disagree(20) | Report | Reply MariaHelFutura + 967d ago There giving you Halo 3 and AC2? That's adorable. This month, I got Deus Ex, X-Com and Saint's row 3. #2.1 Agree(43) | Disagree(15) | Report | Reply nick309 + 967d ago You dont get to keep the games if you suddenly cant pay for plus anymore. #2.1.1 Agree(17) | Disagree(27) | Report awesomeperson + 967d ago @Nick So, would you rather Sony let you keep any games you download on PS Plus? Therefore I could go to the PS Store and buy a one month PS Plus subscription. With that subscription, I would gain immediate access to no less than 13 full titles over both PS3 and PS Vita. You then propose I keep those games with no need to resubscribe to the service. I could then repeat the same every few months, spending little and gaining entire libraries of games. That would make absolutely no sense, and Sony's offering is fine as it is. #2.1.2 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(30) | Disagree(3) | Report GameCents + 967d ago You're renting those games. I get to keep mine. #2.1.3 Agree(14) | Disagree(16) | Report Riderz1337 + 967d ago And Uncharted 3 ^^ #2.1.4 Agree(2) | Disagree(2) | Report kreate + 967d ago @gamecents Some games are free dude. But lately its been more like, ps plus games became of higher quality but its not totally free anymore. *Also plz let microsoft know what games u want. Plz don't don't tell them u want halo, fable, gears. Name some good rare games ppl #2.1.5 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(1) | Disagree(3) | Report ala_767 + 967d ago LOLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!! #2.2 Agree(6) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply Blackdeath_663 + 967d ago its too hard for microsoft to match the value of PS+ and it would be hard for sony even to keep the great value up on the ps4 when everyone will likely have ps+ #2.3 Agree(10) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply iceman06 + 967d ago This is the very reason for PS+. They are generating revenue, like Xbox Live, while striking deals with publishers to basically give free advertising for them. Indie titles that I wouldn't have thought to pay for, I have gotten for free and have now decided to buy the next game. Larger titles that I couldn't afford, due to other games that I chose to purchase, I can now play for free. As for PS4, initially it will be difficult to offer PS4 content (aside from Indies). However, just like PS3, it will drastically improve over time. More PS+ is more revenue for Sony. #2.3.1 Agree(4) | Disagree(0) | Report vikingland1 + 967d ago but If you quit paying for PS+ you lose your games you are renting. MS is giving you the games to keep even if you quit paying for gold. #2.4 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(12) | Disagree(21) | Report | Reply vishant101 + 967d ago ps + is more of a renting service they dont actually give u the games, this is yours too keep even after u stop subscribing frm live. also who bitches about free games? #2.5 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(9) | Disagree(10) | Report | Reply gamertk421 + 967d ago I don't think any of the shops here accept British currency, tho, so free is good. #2.6 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply Dynasty2021 + 967d ago I believe Gears Of War is available to download from MS for £20. Yeah, the first Gears Of War. You think Microsoft's new store will be cheap and the games they give away relatively recent? Ahaha. Look at Games For Windows Live. It's as bad as EA's Origin for prices. At least Sony give away AAA games that are about a year or 2 old. Halo 3 and AC2? You can literally pick BOTH of these up for £15 TOTAL on Amazon. Sony just gave away Uncharted 3, which is about £20 by itself. #3 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(23) | Disagree(5) | Report | Reply GameCents + 967d ago Gave away huh? Tell me what happens to your FREE game when the subscription you PAID for runs out. #3.1 Agree(6) | Disagree(12) | Report | Reply Neixus + 967d ago lol,stop defending ms, every ms fanboy thinks this 2 games per month is sooo good. but if u read the article, it says that it will only last to the end of the year. meanwhile we actually get free ps4 games from ps+ the FIRST month of ps4 release. #3.1.1 Agree(7) | Disagree(8) | Report Conan-O-Brady + 967d ago So after you get your free games from MS you're gonna stop paying for live?...... Me thinks not. #3.1.2 Agree(3) | Disagree(4) | Report HammadTheBeast + 967d ago For $50 a year, I get 100+ recent and new games. For $60 a year, I get to "keep" Fable 3 (lolterribad) and 6 year old games I could otherwise get for probably $10 new total. Yeah, amazing argument. #3.1.3 Agree(5) | Disagree(5) | Report fsfsxii + 967d ago The free XBL game you can get for about 5 dollars used. Or is that to justify the fee for the online?? I know that the Cross chat got old, so you guys had to find a new one #3.1.4 Agree(2) | Disagree(1) | Report theEx1Le + 967d ago Actually they gave away half of uncharted. Not to nitpick or anything but the resulting cost of downloading the f2p MP and purchasing to remove the subsequent restrictions is at least twice what you would pay retail. I mean I think MS could do better but dont talk up the PS store because its just as bad. The pricing on psn is absolutely shocking, £58 for new games, over priced bundles, games not coming out on time or even turning up at all(Cs:go). #3.2 Agree(2) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply Thomper + 966d ago I use xbox and psn, and xbl is head and shoulder above Sony's offering. I have given up with it. Constant freezing, drop-outs, lag and no voice chat. It is sh1te !! #3.2.1 Agree(2) | Disagree(3) | Report trouble_bubble + 966d ago Oh dear, the old "I can haz both consoles so I can't be full of it" logic. The damage control and politicking since E3 has been legendary. "Buh buh PSN freezes and melts and lags like a pile of rags that sags and gags and has a game called mag. Green eggs and ham, I stood by a lake once, sam I am." It's 2013. We know the state of online, inside out. No need to lie about it thomp. doesn't work. #3.2.2 (Edited 966d ago ) | Agree(2) | Disagree(0) | Report Fishy Fingers + 967d ago This thread about how awesome Sony is? #4 Agree(23) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply A-laughing-horse + 967d ago Every thread is fishy. Haven't you been to this Sony circle jerk of a website the past 2 weeks? #4.1 Agree(14) | Disagree(23) | Report | Reply DARK WITNESS 967d ago | Immature | show Thomper 966d ago | Immature | show MariaHelFutura + 967d ago The funny is it's Microsoft that makes Sony look so much better. Not my fault. It's my right to voice my opinion, unless you know, you think people should be censored. It's Microsofts job to make themselves look better, not me not voicing my opinion. #4.2 Agree(17) | Disagree(16) | Report | Reply vikingland1 + 967d ago My opinion is that your opinion is wrong. I am one of the minority that never played AC2 or never beat Halo3. So how is this bad for me? Plus I get o keep them. I have PS+ and I love it. But to say that MS giving me free games that are old is just foolish. #4.2.1 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(12) | Disagree(14) | Report Gran Touring + 967d ago @vikingland1 But they are old games. They're not bad games by any means, but they are 6 and 4 years old respectively. #4.2.2 Agree(5) | Disagree(3) | Report No_Limit + 967d ago Who gives a rat how old games are? If someone never play the game or just play a bit of the game from renting it in the past, he/she can now play it, enjoy it, and finish it. It is no different than watching a movie that was released 10 years ago. Yea it is old but for the person that never seen it, does it matter? And the good thing it is FREE and you can keep it forever with or without a renewal. Logic and N4G just don't apply and fanboys will try to spin anything negatively even on a great thing like free games. smh #4.2.3 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(5) | Disagree(3) | Report wenaldy + 967d ago Everyday is the day of Sony. #4.3 Agree(7) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply ArmrdChaos + 966d ago Come on fishy...you know how it works. Sad little people who can't stand tall on their own come in here to knock others down so that they can "feel" taller. You find them with sports, games, or any other interest where they are allowed to run amok. #4.4 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply Geezus + 967d ago assasins creed 2 is actually the only assasins i haven't played in the numbered series so that works out for me as for fable 3 i passed it and its whatever. my halo3 is so scratched up i cant play it so i can re up with the download and play some mp rounds duel wielding some weapons which is a feature that is really missed in the latest halo installments... all in all pretty good cant hate on free stuffz. #5 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(6) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply ado908 + 967d ago Lol literally the best one in the series is the one you never played. What the hell is the matter with you!!! Look forward to AC2 buddy :) because that is one of the greater gems this gen #5.1 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply LogicStomper + 966d ago For me, I've only played Fable 1 and 2 so 3 is new to me. Halo 3 I've played a tonne, so I don't need that. Assassin's Creed 1 was tedious and repetitive so it turned me away from their following titles. Now I can actually play the second without cost! #5.2 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply TimeSkipLuffy + 967d ago It would be a great move if they wouldn't have limited to a few months. They should expand it to as long as people are going to have a gold subscription. The games might be old compared to PS+ that offers much more games but MS just don't seem to get it right this time... At least they go upfront and didn't lie that they are not doing this forever XD #6 Agree(6) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply A-laughing-horse + 967d ago At least if you loose Xbox live or it goes down you can STILL play them. If you lose connection or ps+ gets hacked again and you loose service, or even cancel your service, you LOSE the game. They let you borrow it. Remember , like Sonys e3. The best part of their conference was when they showed how they exclusively let people borrow games. What a joke. #7 Agree(4) | Disagree(23) | Report | Reply ThatCanadianGuy514 + 967d ago These "free" games are only for 360 and only up until the xbox U launches.It's not really a fair comparison to be honest. And you're actually wrong, the games don't magically vanish if for some crazy reason PSN was down.It's based on your PS+ Subscription not your access to PSN. #7.1 Agree(15) | Disagree(4) | Report | Reply Ilovetheps4 + 967d ago Not sure what you service you have, but PS+ doesn't work that way. You can play PS+ games while not connected to the internet. The only restriction is that you have to still be subscribed to the service. Basically, when you download the game, your game is given a timer based on how long you have left on your subscription. That timer runs out if your subscription lapses. But if you resubscribe, that timer will reset. But, you can play that game (on or offline) until that timer expires. #7.2 Agree(16) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply RiPPn + 967d ago What are you talking about, when you download a game on plus it puts an expiration date on the game, and it remains active until that date. The date is when you plus subscription expires. It doesn't matter if you're online or offline. Quit spreading BS. And people know the games are only available when you subscribe, it's not like Sony hides this. #7.3 Agree(8) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply WeAreLegion + 967d ago If you lose connection or PS+ gets hacked, you can still play your PS Plus games. What are you talking about? #7.4 Agree(7) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply ltachiUchiha + 967d ago You sir are making things up out of your azz. You obviously dont own a ps3 so why talk about a feature u have no clue about? Also this article has nothing to do with sony. Just be happy about the service that microsoft is giving its fanbase & move along. Thank u & have a good day. #7.5 Agree(5) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply DlocDaBudSmoka + 967d ago that isnt true at all. If you are a + member, u can still play the games offline.the only thing u said that was remotely true is that if u cancel the sub, u no longer have access to those games. But its like netflix, if u cancel u cant stream and tv shows or movies. so i dont see what the problem is. #7.6 Agree(1) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply A-laughing-horse + 967d ago If you cancel live they are still yours. Not borrowed #7.7 Agree(1) | Disagree(7) | Report | Reply trouble_bubble + 966d ago As are the many games PSN has given away for free, outside of Plus. Such as: * 'welcome back' promo games like LBP/inFamous/WipEout * one-off Back to the Future & The Walking Dead episodes * FTP DC Universe, Free Realms, Dust 514, Tekken Revolution * PSN promos for Rag Doll Kung Fu, Flow, Jetpack Joyride, Buzz, Singstar * MP like MAG and UC3 On the surface, the free Halo 3 download seems like a nice gesture, but at the same time it's a bit late to thank MS for it, 6 years later and after 11 million people already paid for it lol. #7.7.1 (Edited 966d ago ) | Agree(4) | Disagree(0) | Report Zichu + 967d ago I think people are missing the point. I won't deny it, PS+ is a great service. They offer some pretty awesome games each month, but the only downside to that is that you don't own the games forever. It's a rental service, as along as you keep paying £40 a month, you get to keep playing those games. What MS are doing is they are offering 2 games a month to Gold Subscribers, which you can get for about £30 for a year and you keep those games forever. Even after your Gold finishes, you still get to play those games. So that's 2 games each month until December. They start this in July and in total you get 12 games. For an average of £5 per game if you bought it used, that's about £60 worth of games. I think that's a pretty good offer. For those that are already Gold members shouldn't really be complaining because you aren't paying any extra to get these games, you are already paying for Gold because you decided to do this before they decided to offer free games. #8 Agree(5) | Disagree(3) | Report | Reply MartinB105 + 967d ago £40 a month for Plus? You need to find a better deal. I only pay £40 a year for my Plus subscription. ;) #8.1 Agree(11) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply Zichu + 967d ago Crap... Well spotted sir. £40 a year then >.< #8.1.1 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report despair + 967d ago I agree its a great idea, but its not really geared towards existing Xbox 360 owners, the games are quite old so far and I don't expect any good, newer titles to show up. That means those who have had their 360s for a while already would've played those games if they wanted to. Its for new players who get an incentive to get and Xbox360 and Xbox Live Gold. PS+ is different as its for both new and existing PS3/PSV owners, the rental thing is minor at best as once you get PS+ and like it most likely you will stick with it (plus cost/value ratio goes up with each month), and it spreads across 3 platforms now for the same price so its ridiculous to not get it. Add to that, that it offers about 5 games every month, discounts, betas etc. its even more value. MS free game decision comes off as a rushed response to Sony's very well thought out PS+ strategy and that's what hurts them. Edit: Yea your pricing is waay off, its actually cheaper than a year of XBlive gold for a year of PS+ (especially if you take advantage of those extra 3 months offers they have every so often). #8.2 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(3) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply RiPPn + 967d ago If the games don't get better than Fable 3, Halo 3 and AssCreed 2 then who cares if you get to keep them, most people already own these games or have played through them. But it is nice that Microsoft is finally giving back. Even if it is games on a dying console with no backward compatibility on the new one. :) #8.3 Agree(4) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply RiPPn + 967d ago What new details did this story provide? #9 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply EffectO + 967d ago At least you can keep the games forever,not rent them like with PS+. #10 Agree(2) | Disagree(6) | Report | Reply moparful99 + 966d ago Stop bringing this up.. all of the 360 fans in this thread are harping on Sony fans for complaining about MS's free games but you all keep bringing this stupid fact up.. Who cares that its tantamount to a rental service. The idea is that once you start receiving the amazing titles on offer you wont want to unsub.. In fact it would be silly to unsub seeing as the longer you are a member the greater your return is. This is turning into an annoying peeing contest.. Enjoy your free games and shut up already... #10.1 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply MilkMan + 967d ago To little, to late. and (again) wasn't Sony doing this, like forever? I'm OK, I've been a gold member for 6 years and all I got was a big FU. I like value for dollar and now you want to give crap away and all that, at the end of the cycle when I have every game I want on the 360. No thank you. M$ did their math. #11 Agree(2) | Disagree(3) | Report | Reply FD + 967d ago What a pathetic attempt of M$ to 'compete' with PS+. Glad my XBL Gold expires tomorrow and i won't renew. These dusty and worthless games are not convincing me to renew and waste more money on XBL. I have used PS+ and XBL Gold side by side for the last couple of years and PS+ have proven to be the most value for the money. Such an half-assed move again from M$, Way too little and way too late. Thank you too M$.... for nothing! #12 Agree(4) | Disagree(4) | Report | Reply Funky Town_TX + 967d ago hateM $ cannot please some people. If you hate m $ then why bother reading news about m$ and the xbox. I can count maybe two games from the free PS+ that was even worth $5, and they are not mine to keep they are a rental. If Sony or m$ was to ship me a disc that I can keep then we would be talking about something exciting. Xbox live > PS+ with or without these fake free games. #13 Agree(5) | Disagree(3) | Report | Reply moparful99 + 966d ago "I can count maybe two games from the free PS+ that was even worth $5" So... Uncharted 3 Infamous 2 Little Big Planet 2 Deus ex Saints row 2 and 3 are less then $5? Seriously dude you aren't fooling anyone. It's also common knowledge that the only real difference between Live and PSN is the cross game chat.. PSN is equitable to Live and it's free.. I don't have to "rent" the privilege to play my retail games online. #13.1 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply No_Limit + 967d ago Grabbed Fable 3, looking forward to getting all 12 free games that I can keep forever. Forever is nice. Just curious, never used PSN before, if my subscription runs out, do I get to keep playing all those free games each month or is it like subscription music in that if I decided not to renew, I can't play them anymore? #14 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(1) | Disagree(6) | Report | Reply TimeSkipLuffy + 967d ago You need ro renew the subscription at the expire date to keep on playing but I wouldn't let it expire because you keep getting 1 to X games a month (depending on the consoles you own) A lot of XBOX gamers do already have a paid gold account to play online. If MS does not continue this cool offer they are back to what they had before while PS+ users keep getting more and more ^^ #14.1 (Edited 967d ago ) | Agree(2) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply Parapraxis + 967d ago Haha...wow, you sound like a 5 year old. #14.2 Agree(2) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply DlocDaBudSmoka + 967d ago its basically netflix for game consoles. u no pay, u no play. #14.3 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply Dlacy13g + 967d ago Arguing about wether free games are a good....a new low point for N4G. #15 Agree(6) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply mochachino + 967d ago Plus gives you free games the entire time you have your membership. Live gives you free games until December then goes back to giving to nothing. #16 Agree(6) | Disagree(5) | Report | Reply GameCents + 967d ago Gold gives you free games. Plus lets you rent them. I paid R300 for my subscription, that's about $30. I'm getting 13 games at the value of at least R50 preowned and R120 on games on demand. My maths tells me I'm getting at the very least, R650 ($65) worth of games in the preowned market or R1560 ($156) worth on GoD to keep forever. Either way you slice it, I'm getting games worth alot more than I paid for my subscription. I'll take that deal thank very much. #16.1 Agree(1) | Disagree(6) | Report | Reply stage88 + 967d ago Those old games are more of an insult than a perk. It just goes to show they have a long way to go before they reach the standard of PS+ #17 Agree(1) | Disagree(5) | Report | Reply Iltapalanyymi + 967d ago pfft. copycats. #18 Agree(3) | Disagree(3) | Report | Reply SegaGamer + 967d ago Why can't we just pick the game ? i guarantee that the only games they make available will be A list games. #19 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply tudors + 967d ago I can't believe that some of you people are putting me off buying a PS4, it's not all about PS you know! I for one am really pleased with this announcement! PSN+ has some great offers, I don't have it but I have thought about it, but Xbox-live has always been worth the cost, it's a really amazing online service, this is just a great extra bonus! #20 Agree(2) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply Belking + 967d ago And you keep the games even if your subscription runs out. Something you can't say PS Plus does. #20.1 Agree(3) | Disagree(5) | Report | Reply stage88 + 966d ago 2 old ass games you can keep or 2 new games for vita, 2 new games for PS3 and also exclusive discounts and demos/betas on subscription. It's a no brainer. But have fun with Assasins Creed 2. That game was great.... back in 2009. #20.1.1 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report DestinyHeroDoomlord + 967d ago Could we please get a forecast for the year... #21 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply AutoCad + 967d ago people seriously complaining bout free games lol? more people playing halo 3 im ready #22 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply titletownrelo + 967d ago This gen is so different SONY is like that "guy" at school. Sports, academics, girlfriend, social life. He's got his shit together. M$ on the other hand...eh, not so much #23 Agree(2) | Disagree(4) | Report | Reply isyourhouseonfire + 966d ago This is huge news. Microsoft is starting to really understand customer needs more in recent years. More and more I find myself less and less reluctant to renew my XBOX LIVE Gold membership. Thanks MS!! #24 Agree(0) | Disagree(4) | Report | Reply esemce + 966d ago BS it's a desperate attempt to keep people on live and then maybe buying the Bone it's obvious. #24.1 Agree(3) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply E2S + 966d ago Sony still has the better deal. #25 Agree(4) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply marchinggamer + 966d ago You can say that after you get cross game chat #25.1 (Edited 966d ago ) | Agree(0) | Disagree(4) | Report | Reply LogicStomper + 966d ago Stop being immature. They're giving away games for free so why do you have to randomly bring Sony into this? The only reason I see plausible is that you feel insecure so you have to try divert the attention back to your favoured company. Grow up, kid. #25.2 Agree(1) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply moparful99 + 966d ago You're soloing him out yet you neglect to point out the tons of people above that can't seem to enjoy this news without "At least I get to keep them unlike with PS+." You're throwing stones in a glass house my friend #25.2.1 Agree(0) | Disagree(0) | Report esemce + 966d ago 7 years of live and only now they give us some old games that 90% have already played. Free is free but damn they have made billions from live when Sony did not charge a penny. #26 Agree(2) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply Heavenly King + 966d ago BUT they will give free 360 games until the XBO launches; after that non of the XB consoles will get free games. So I really wonder, what is so wonderful about this? Yeah, it is nice to temporary get some games; but M$ is mostly doing so; just so people misinformed think that this will happen with the XBO too; and so they would "jump in"; when that is not the case. #27 Agree(1) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply Thomper 966d ago | Immature | show | Replies(1) marchinggamer + 966d ago I would pay 60$ just for the cross game chat PlayStation doesn't have it even plus #29 Agree(1) | Disagree(2) | Report | Reply AceofStaves + 966d ago PS Plus is getting cross-game chat as part of the service. http://www.officialplaystat... #29.1 Agree(3) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply AceofStaves + 966d ago Free games are great regardless. Besides, there are new players buying consoles every month, people who may just now be getting into gaming. Programs like these give them access to titles they missed - and that's a good thing. It's a good move on MS' part. #30 Agree(1) | Disagree(1) | Report | Reply « 1 2 » Add comment You need to be registered to add comments. 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The Pilton Palais celebrates 32 years of bringing an eclectic selection of films to the Glastonbury Festival, catering for all tastes and this year is certainly no different. For the first time ever we are opening on Wednesday afternoon until midnight. Our film selections span from children's films to horror with everything in between, so we should have something to please just about everybody.
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Polymer clay and a nice blue agate piece I bought from London. Handmade, for now sold out, but can probably be remade if there's interest.
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Polymer clay, and blue agate.
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if only i had money...i'd buy one of these ;-;
the aquatic sheen of the agate really makes this.
if only i had money...i'd buy one of these ;-;
the aquatic sheen of the agate really makes this.
Wow beautiful! SO inspiring!!!
I'm not sure if I asked this before ... did you bake it with the agate inside? Or is it glued in?
I backed the clay with the agate in. Gems, stones, glass pieces are fine in the 110 Celcius that polymer clay is baked, no cracks, not melting. They just get warmed up, but not damaged in any way.
cool!!! Thanks so much for letting me know. I'm so gonna try this. I have some sun stones which were a bit small to sew into anything. Now I'm gonna FIRE them in (well warm them up LOL)
Did you bake the stone with the polymer? {I wanted to do something like this, but I was afraid the stuff I have might crack from the heat...}
Yes, I baked the stone along with the clay. Gems, minerals, crystals and glass don't get affected by such a low temperature, as the one needed to bake polymer clay. So you can use it without fear, it will not crack, I promise. What you must never put in the oven is plastic, it melts and stinks.
Oh wow! That's such a clever idea
That looks great! so cute and a lovely idea
Love this!
That is so detailed it's bordering being real! Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.
This is a really interesting way to use stones. The design caught my eye. I like how you're incorporating your own art into the agate piece.
Very clever!
So cool!!
Ooh, very pretty! Love the little scene on it.
It's beautiful^^!!
OMG! It's got the tiniest little jellyfish in it! I LOVE IT!
Haha!! I'm happy you like it hun! I had to add a tiny littol jellyfish in it, what kind of coral reef would it be without a tiny littol jellyfish, huh?
I love the littol jellyfish! It would be a boring coral reef without one! How on earth did you get such a tiny jellyfish in it? O.o'
With a tiny littol sculpting tool For the tentacles i rolled the clay as thin as i could.
Ah I see! It didn't even look like clay so I was confused! I still need to buy myself some sculpey and do some clay work since you requested it >.<' I just haven't been able to get down to the store for it. I have no idea what I would even make it's been so long since I last sculpted.
Ah, once you get the clay on your hands, i'm sure it'll come back to you! I started with the typical miniature sweets everyone does, eventually i found my own style, and now I try to develope that. Can't wait to see what you'll make!
This is really unique and pretty!
I think this is realllllly gorgeous right down to the coral texture.
Thank you so much for your kind words The littol fish was really detailed too, but the semitransparent clay made the tiny sculpted fin disappear. Oh well!
So pretty! Love the jellyfish :3
It's beautiful
wow how neat!
very creative
very creative
Thank you so much! Had a huge piece of blue agate, reminded me of the sea and this is what happened


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since I had a absolutely fantastic experience with play 1.2, I convinced my new client to port to play from their in-house built MVC framework, Now I'm starting to port their java framework to play-2 and I'm not having a good time. My personal feeling is that Play is not as convenient for java development anymore and these are my reasons/feelings. I think that Play has taken a turn towards Scala and has lost java as a focus. for example the ease of query parameter binding and template loading is not there anymore, you have to specify the query params in the route file?? really?? sometimes even object names dont make sense, I spent a lot of time figuring out how to get a simple value from the config file and a simple Play.application().configuration().getString("key"); does not work, only to realize after a day that I had play.api.Play imported as play.Play OR the function chain WS.url("url").get().get().asJson(); makes me very uncomfortable, get.get?? is anyone else feeling the same or is it a complete taste thing?
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I've been on the Zofran pump for about 6 weeks now. So I'm checking my urine daily with the ketone test strips, and the last few days have been really weird!
First off, I managed not to throw up at all on Monday (yay!) and get down 32 oz of water...which is a dramatic improvement on my previous fluid intake. I know it's still only half of where if should be, but still...it's a significant improvement over the 12 I was previously taking in.
Yesterday's urine was positive for ketones though...the "+" range. And I even remembered to do it with the second urine, not the first morning urine, so I figured I'd be negative or trace at worst.
I only threw up once yesterday and a much smaller volume, and again I got 32 oz of water. I've only been up for about 4 hours, and I have already had about 16 oz of water. I forgot to test my urine until just a few minutes ago, so it was my third of the day...and it was waaaaay high!! It was at "+++"
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And now … the Braves
Jun 19, 2014, 10:46 AM EST
They weathered an up-and-down first two months to the season, treading water while a host of key players overcame injuries, and have since gone on their first sustained run of the year, winning 12 of 18 and taking over first place in the NL East.
And now, the Nationals really find out where they stand in the big picture, because the Braves are coming to town for four games, and everybody knows what that means.
"This is the best team in the division over the last year," Jayson Werth said. "If we want to win the division, it definitely goes through them. All these games are meaningful. We know what's at stake and what they mean, even in the middle of June."
If you've followed the Nationals even casually over the last season-plus, you know there is no greater hurdle standing between this team and October baseball than the Braves. Since the start of 2013, the Nats have gone 7-18 against their chief NL East rivals. Go even further back to August 2012, and they've won only seven of their last 29 games against Atlanta.
And it's not only the record in those games. It's the way the Nationals have played in those games. Committing errors. Making poor decisions on the bases. Blowing late leads.
All of that context will be hovering over Nationals Park tonight when Jordan Zimmermann faces Gavin Floyd in the opener of a 4-game series, but manager Matt Williams is being careful not to make more out of these games than any others.
"I think we feel good being where we're at," Williams said after last night's 6-5 win over the Astros. "We face a really difficult team over the next four games. I think it was really important to win this one tonight, and we need to look to tomorrow now and be prepared for that. Beyond that, we can't look. We can't peek around the corner. It's about when you open the door tomorrow, what's tomorrow, and we'll deal with that and let the days following deal with themselves. We need to come ready tomorrow."
Thanks to their recent surge and the Braves' recent slide — they've lost 6 of 8 and just got swept by the Phillies — the Nationals have given themselves a bit of cushion entering this series, leading both Atlanta and Miami by 1 1/2 games. A series split would still leave them holding that same lead. Even losing 3 of 4 would leave them only 1/2-game back.
Of course, there's something to be said for the idea that the Nationals need not only hang with the Braves this weekend but prove to themselves and everyone else they're actually capable of beating them.
"I'm going to plead the Fifth," Denard Span said last night with a laugh. "I'm not going to give them bulletin-board material. If we go out there and play like we played tonight, play like we played the last two nights — playing aggressive, pitching the ball well, hitting with runners in scoring position — then there's no question we should win."
It's important to remember it's still mid-June. The season isn't yet halfway complete. The Nationals still face the Braves nine more times later this summer and fall.
But make no mistake: This is an important weekend. The Nats may not be able to completely overcome their biggest hurdle over the next four days, but they certainly can make significant progress.
"Standings, for me, until you're 10 games up going into September, they really don't matter," Werth said. "Anything can happen. With that said, we've been playing good ball, and I think coming into this series, we've got some momentum. Hopefully we can use that momentum and kind of build on it."
- Brookstoor - Jun 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM
Our defense has been looking a lot better lately and our defensive miscues usually play a big factor in our losses to ATL. I'm not worried about our pitching as long as they have a plan against Gattis and Freeman. I hope we don't get too aggressive on the base paths. I think we will be better served playing the Braves straight up. Hitting with RISP and hitting with two outs are a must, as always. This is a very winnable series.
- natsjackinfl - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM
Freeman has really been struggling lately but Gattis has been on fire. I haven't seen anything that he hasn't been able to put the barrel on in about 3 weeks.
- Joe Seamhead - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM
I say leave nothing but carnage behind for the carrion fowl to pick over!
- scnatsfan - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:13 AM
No excuses… win the series. Show the division who the boss is, don't wait until September to do it.
- Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM
So ready for this series… Should be at all 4 games… I cant wait!
- scnatsfan - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM
- Mrsb loves the Nats - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM
I think it was Hiram (Sorry, if it wasn't)… But I remember someone mentioning Desi's new tat…
- scnatsfan - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM
wow, very cool. Great story.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:58 AM
Thank you Mrs B.
- Hiram Hover - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM
Thanks, Mrs B–I did ask about it.
What I find cool is less the tattoo itself–a coat of arms with deer antlers and crossed bats–than the story behind it. I guess that's often the case with tats, tho.
- laddieblahblah - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM
Joe, I replied to your comment on base stealing on the prior thread.
There is no Earthly reason why the Nats cannot dominate the Braves. My Lord, if the Phils can thrash them in Atlanta, the Nats can beat them in DC. The Braves cannot hit, and they have trouble scoring runs. The Nats rotation, excepting Gio, is on fire right now. JZ, Stras, Fister and Roark is a pretty formidable pitching lineup for any batting order.
Slow, breaking stuff seems to paralyze that lineup, as long as the Nats don't hang breakers over the middle of the plate. No high FBs in the zone to Gattis. Breakers low and away to that guy, all series long. No grooving FBs to the Upton bros. Keep it down, down, down and away.
Freddi seems to be in a slump, but he can break out any time. I'm sure the Nats have reviewed the tape and know what approach is working, and will use it.
The Braves rotation just ain't what it used to be, and the Nats lineup must take advantage of them. No reason why it can't, as long as the usual suspects do not plan on hitting 5-run homers every trip to the plate. It's not just the anemic hitting with RISP, it's the number of times Nats hitters have fanned in those situations when a sac fy or grounder up the middle could have done the job of getting the runner from 3rd across the plate.
I expect the Nats to play like these games count as much as games in September, and to play as hard as they can, now, to make those September games irrelevant, when the time comes.
No stupid base running tricks, either. And the pen needs to tighten things up. They have been giving up far too many late game runs going back to the series with San Diego and SF, and continuing into the series with Houston. They can't give up 5 runs a game to the Braves with the bull pen Atlanta has.
Too bad Ramos is not available for this one.
Norris is odds-on to be the starting catcher for the AL All-Star team, with Kurt Suzuki as the likely back-up. I'll take Ramos over either one of those guys, but he just can't seem to stay healthy.
- veejh - Jun 19, 2014 at 11:49 AM
It sounds like you are saying these are must win games without saying they are must win games. Anyone willing to admit these are must win games because they are? Ridding ourselves of the 500 lb, Braves gorilla on our back is imperative.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:00 PM
They're important. Not sure I'd go to "must" but they are more important.
I remember a few years back, when the Marlins just totally owned the Nats. That, too, has passed, and so will the Braves. But probably not because they blow up the team rather than pay the going rate.
- alexva6 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:01 PM
You can play badly and win or you can play well and lose. Obviously in a short time frame I'll take the former. In the context of the season playing consistently well is what separates the winners from the pack.
- 6ID20 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:09 PM
The Nats must win at least some of them. That's about as far as you can go with that now.
- bowdenball - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM
Must win? So if we get swept this weekend but then win 7 of the remaining 9 games against the Braves later in the season, we're still doomed?
- Hiram Hover - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM
There seems to be a lot of confusion in the comments section here about the meaning of words like "must" and "mandatory."
- nattyboh1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM
They are not "must-win", those come later or hopefully not at all.
- laddieblahblah - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:45 PM
If the Nats take 3 of 4 it will change the dynamic of the race in the NL East, IMO. Competitive sports has a big psychological component, and this weekend the Nats have a great opportunity to change that component in their favor, vis a vis the Braves.
No one will say so, but that's how it is.
"Even losing 3 of 4 would leave them only 1/2-game back."
Don't even think anything like that.
Win tonight. Win tonight. Win tonight. The monkey is on the Nats back, and all of baseball knows it. Take that sucker by the neck, choke it to death, and beat the Braves about their heads and faces with its carcass. Then do it, again, tomorrow.
- natsfan1a - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:26 PM
Thanks for the lolz. Loved the imagery. Would that be a rally monkey, by any chance? Nah, probably not. Maybe an ebola monkey.
"Win tonight. Win tonight. Win tonight. The monkey is on the Nats back, and all of baseball knows it. Take that sucker by the neck, choke it to death, and beat the Braves about their heads and faces with its carcass. Then do it, again, tomorrow."
- Hiram Hover - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:44 PM
So far as needing to win and beating people with monkey carcasses goes–
If the players need to tell themselves that to psych themselves up, ok by me. Why fans feel they need to do it, I can't imagine.
Of course, even if the players tell themselves this stuff, they may lose tonight anyway. And they'll still need to play tomorrow, and the rest of the season. So hopefully they're blessed with really, really short term memories and forget what they told themselves the night before.
Tho if they have such short term memories, wouldn't they have already forgotten all this stuff about the Braves owning them in the first place?
- micksback1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM
Nats can make a statement to Atlanta this weekend, just like my boy General Sherman did, LOL
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM
Mick, I really wish you'd quit saying that. Consider it a favor?
- micksback1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:32 PM
maybe, but I gotta tell you, I am be humorous about something that goes much deeper than a baseball team from Atlanta and surrounding southern region, see Dave Chapelle bit about the South, lol
- Hiram Hover - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM
Maybe he could do his own episode of Drunk History?
- natsfan1a - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM
Yeah, I kinda ran the numbers already. Should be an interesting series. We'll be at the Sunday game and watching on tv until then.
"Thanks to their recent surge and the Braves' recent slide — they've lost 6 of 8 and just got swept by the Phillies — the Nationals have given themselves a bit of cushion entering this series, leading both Atlanta and Miami by 1 1/2 games. A series split would still leave them holding that same lead. Even losing 3 of 4 would leave them only 1/2-game back"
- 6ID20 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:32 PM
Of course, this only references the relationship between the Nats and the Braves. The Marlins also need to be factored into this equation.
- natsfan1a - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:42 PM
True that the Marlins have the same standing as Atlanta, but the Nats are not playing them right now and thus have no influence on the outcome of Florida's next four games. (I know. Thanks, Capt. 1a obvious.)
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:14 PM
Geek Alert
Death to the opposition!"
- natsfan1a - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM
lol, awesome! I'd not seen that one.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:34 PM
I love the part when they tell Worf, "Maybe just a little less intense …"
- David Proctor - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM
Going back to the other thread, I think you guys are being way too hard on Zim's arm. For one, plenty of LFers succeed with a weak arm all the time. Two, twice in the last two games Zimmerman has stopped a fast runner (Villar and Altuve) from going to second on a strong (enough) throw to second. If you expected him to throw out guy at the plate, that was unreasonable on your part. But nothing about Zim in LF, including his arm, has thus far made me believe he can't play out there.
- masterfishkeeper - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM
Agree. Worst case, Zim is like Juan Pierre, who played a lot of games in left field. Long-term, I'd rather see Ryan at first, where I think he'd be exceptional on defense, but he's also a valuable left fielder.
- Brookstoor - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:34 PM
David so far so good with Zim. His arm isn't just weak in the traditional sense though. He either has to make one of those high tosses to throw pain free or make what looks like a painful throw to actually get it in on time and those are the ones that skip to the cut off man. I accepted from the beginning that runners would go first to third or stretch singles into doubles with him out there. Like you said, no one should have expected a cannon or anything close to it. That's not that big of a deal in my opinion, and like you said it would be the same case with any other weak armed left fielder. And his bat should outweigh any defensive weakness anyways.
- therealjohnc - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:56 PM
Quick to the ball, field it cleanly, a quick release and accuracy is how a lot of outfielders have compensated for throwing woes. Mickey Rivers, Juan Pierre, Johnny Damon, etc. – the list is pretty long. Get to the ball and play fundamentally sound and you can minimize the impact. Zim does seem capable of that (although it may be more of an issue in ballparks like Colorado with a lot of ground to cover in LF).
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:05 PM
Like I said, if he catches the ball in the air, and doesn't get anybody hurt, and keeps hitting, he'll do fine.
- natinalsgo - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:05 PM
That Grossman guy the Asstros had had a noodle arm. I'm thinking Matt Williams likes RZ out there because he stopped replacing him in late innings.
- natsjackinfl - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:22 PM
- bowdenball - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM
A quick history lesson for those who are overstating the importance of this game and the "mental hurdle" the Nats face vs the Braves:
Not long ago, these roles were essentially reversed. In September of 2011 the Nats took 2 of 3 from the Braves to contribute to one of the worst September collapses in the history of baseball. The next season the Nats took 6 of the first 8 from the Braves and 10 of the first 15 while running away with the division. Somehow the Braves survived this terrible blow to sweep the Nats in September, take the top Wild Card spot in 2012, and win the division going away in 2013.
That's not to say these are just like any other game. Obviously they present the chance to win a game and hang a loss on your closest divisional competitor at the same time, which is big. But the mental hurdle, "must win" stuff is a bunch of malarkey. If the Nats go 1-3 in this series they will be still be over .500 and a half-game out of first with well over half the season remaining. Hardly a death sentence. And just like the Braves did in 2012, the pattern in these head to head contests can change at any time. Winning one series has no bearing on the next.
- masterfishkeeper - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Thanks, Bowdenball, for saying this. Saying one team is owned by another is just silliness. I'm more worried about the Nats trying too hard against the Braves than I am about them being owned by the Braves.
These teams are relatively evenly matched. I think the Nats are better, but even if they are, that doesn't mean they'll win this series. Baseball is among the most random and evenly matched of sports. In what other professional sport does the best team win only 60% of its games?
- 6ID20 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM
The Nats are owned by the Cards when playing in STL. That's not silliness, that's a fact.
- bowdenball - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:56 PM
Yup, it's true. In recent years a team that makes the playoffs every year, has won the World Series twice in the last seven seasons and is probably the best-run franchise in the game has been very successful at home against the Nats. I'm not sure why that's surprising or meaningful.
- micksback1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM
"malarkey" interesting, my question would be, if not now, when can one expect the Nats to get over this domination by the Braves?
- bowdenball - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:40 PM
Maybe the next series? Maybe the series after? That's the whole point. A loss is just a loss. It has no bearing on what will happen in the next game or the next series, as the recent history between the teams dating from 2011 shows.
- micksback1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:34 PM
there is no sugar coating here, Nats need to win at least 2 games from Braves this weekend, a split is fine. they can not lose a series at HOME verse this team period
- jd - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:45 PM
It wouldn't be pleasant but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.
The games will go however the pitching takes them. You have to like our chances with our starters vs. theirs but stuff happens.
BTW, what is this domination stuff you are talking about? Bowdenball just demonstrated to you that the matchup was strongly in the Nats favor until last year. This ebbs and flows year to year. I don't buy the psychology aspect here at all.
- therealjohnc - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:04 PM
The "the Nats MUST do [x] or ALL IS LOST!" meme is a regular staple here. It's favored by the more negative side of the house because they get to be negative whatever happens. If the Nats fail to do [x], the team sucks, is a mental case, is doomed, the season is over (etc). We've all seen that before. And if the Nats actually DO [x] (such as sweep an Astros team that has been playing very well for weeks and was pitching their ace, previously undefeated on the road, in the first game), well, then, no time for recognizing achievement, it's on to the next thing the Nats MUST do or ALL IS LOST!
Most fans know that (like Werth said) the series is an important one, no bones about it. But if the Nats get swept the season isn't over. The flip side, of course, is that even if the Nats sweep, and take a 5.5 game lead on the Braves, the season isn't over. Which makes sense given that, you know, we're a couple of weeks short of the halfway point.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:10 PM
The Nationals MUST win games 1, 3, and 4, by scores of 2-1, 6-1, and 8-4, respectively, scoring all their runs in odd-numbered innings, and hit two home runs into the red porch seats. If they fail to do this, the season will be lost and they are choking monster-dogs, and the Lerners will sell the franchise to Jeff Loria, who will move it to Aruba.
How's that?
- letswin3 - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:56 PM
Mick just seems to be a glass half empty type of guy. I don't mean that as disrespectful, Mick, just that you rarely see positives or neutrals …. opting instead for more of the Chicken Little variety.
- micksback1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM
61D20, many in here do not like reality and when it is clearly pointed out, expect to be ridiculed by all the experts here and fan graph kooks
- bowdenball - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:47 PM
On the contrary, micksback1. My post is nothing but reality. The Nats owned the Braves during late 2011 and most of 2012. That has no bearing on how the Braves performed against the Nats from September 2012 to April 2014, as we know. If you can explain why you think this is different and the Nats can't reverse the pattern between the teams just like the Braves did, I'm all ears.
But until you do, maybe refrain from referring to others as kooks and assuming you will be ridiculed when you haven't been? No reason to be so confrontational.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM
Well, since I did use the term "owned" already, I'll clarify what I meant.
Like all narratives, it only exists in hindsight. Two things are true about streaks (which is what "own" means, they are on a streak): 1) it's impossible to know how long they will last, and 2) it's fairly random, and so of course it will have stretches of mostly wins, or mostly losses. If every series of coin flips came up heads-tails-heads-tails … you would KNOW the coin was not fair.
Also, it is 99% just in the fans' heads. If it gets in the players' heads (which it sometimes does), it can affect play, and outcomes, but mostly it's in the fans' heads only. IMO.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM
"Reality is just a collective hunch."
- micksback1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:11 PM
OK, I think incorporating the Nats success the latter part of 2011 is not a good measure and in my view is comparing apples to oranges for 2 reasons:
1) The Braves were in a tail spin verse the entire National Leaugue, and failed to make post season
2) The 2011 Nationals team was not a contender and they had no pressure at all playing the Braves with their September call ups. Also, the Nats also dominated the Phillies at that point as well.
Yes, 2012, the Nats dominated the Braves, however, now that we are contenders, picked by many to win it all the past 2 seasons by those who know more than both of us, we assume, the Nationals have been spanked by the Braves over the course of 1 and almost half another season. This is not where a contending team with so much expectations should be verse another contending team at this point. I know, many others would agree.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM
"This is not where a contending team with so much expectations should be [versus] another contending team at this point. I know, many others would agree."
It is exactly what happens to contending teams, every year, when there are other contending teams in the same division. Other teams are good, too, and virtually every good team that ever existed had a losing record, despite being good, against somebody. That's baseball.
And it doesn't matter how many people agree, if they are all wrong.
- micksback1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:24 PM
according to you, they are all wrong, the discussion is simply about the Braves domination over the Nats both n the road and at home over the curse on almost 1 and one half seasons. It simply gets down to if one believes that the Nats have to reverse the trend in order for them to contend for a NL championship or not. We each have our reasons and facts for our position, that is all
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:29 PM
My point (and, I think, bb's) was that there is no trend, except in hindsight. It has no predictive value.
That said, personally, I do believe it can get into the players' heads, and affect their confidence, which can have an impact on how they play. I think there is such a thing as "smelling blood," to borrow a phrase.
- jd - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:51 PM
There is no sense attaching more importance to this series than is necessary. MW has it right when he says that the worst thing you can do is peek around the corner. Go and win tonight's game and then will think about tomorrow's game. You don't play them 4 at a time.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM
Anyway, bowdenball's point was not that the Braves should have beaten the Nats, it was that getting beaten demonstrably had no relationship to games played after.
Me, I think psychology does matter, but only for the players, not the fans.
- 6ID20 - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM
These are must-reverse-the-pattern games.
- David Proctor - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:11 PM
Anyone remember July 20, 2012? Big 4 game series with the Braves. We get a big 9-0 lead, blow it and lose. I merely lurked here at the time, but I remember a number of people, including Mick himself, declaring the season over at that point. Forget we still had a lead in the division. That game supposedly exposed the Nats as frauds and a second half collapse was incoming. Of course, we lost the first half of the doubleheader the next day and this site was nearly apocalyptic. John Lannan (!) won a tough second game and then we blew them out in the fourth game. The Braves left just the way they came in and they would never get closer than they were that weekend.
Are these games important? Yes. Every game against a division foe is important, especially against one who figures to be there at the end. Is the season over if we lose? Well, was the season over on July 20, 2012?
- natsjackinfl - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:26 PM
- micksback1 - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:37 PM
I did indeed think a collapse was coming and i am so glad i was wrong. The sad irony is that on that one night that October, I recall the Nats blowing a 6-0 lead at home, only this time, the season was truly over. Maybe that 9-0 loss on July 20 foretold how the season would end in 2012?
- jd - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:53 PM
Probably not.
- Hiram Hover - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:57 PM
Perhaps we should add "irony" to the list of words causing confusion.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:29 PM
- therealjohnc - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:46 PM
If you predict doom at every opportunity, sooner or later you are bound to be right because doom occasionally happens. The 2012 Nationals played 162 regular season games, so after the fact you could look back after virtually ANY final outcome, positive or negative, and pulled something out of the season that looked vaguely familiar and said "Look – THERE – that game foretold the outcome of the season!" Heck, all you'd need is the appropriate music.
It would be a steaming festering crock, of course, but a steaming festering crock with a strained patina of plausibility. That makes it a tempting logical fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc).
- chazzmichaelmichaelzz - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:18 PM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
- natsjackinfl - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM
This morning, David Hazzard posted on twitter "The Nats can go up by 5 1/2 games over the Braves this weekend".
And I responded "Not if they lose tonight".
That's how I enjoy my baseball, one game at a time unless of course I have my other TV, my laptop and my tablet out, then its 4 at a time.
- natsjackinfl - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:33 PM
That's David Huzzard.
- jd - Jun 19, 2014 at 2:52 PM
Exactly right.
- Sec 3 My Sofa - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:09 PM
I forget off hand who it was, but down 3-0 in a best-of-seven series, pointed out, "We don't have to win four in a row. We only have to win one in a row, four times."
- chaz11963 - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:18 PM
Well said! I am seeing so much negativity about the Nats when playing the Braves. There is no reason to believe this Nats team should lose to this Braves team. The Nats are much more talented, even without Harper and Ramos.
- RPrecupjr - Jun 19, 2014 at 4:48 PM
"We don't have to win four in a row. We only have to win one in a row, four times."
Kinda like "You don't need a parachute to skydive. You need a parachute to skydive TWICE"
- NatsLady - Jun 19, 2014 at 3:19 PM
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