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Article: Photoionization of Propargyl and Bromopropargyl Radicals: A Threshold Photoelectron Spectroscopic Study[Show abstract] [Hide abstract]
ABSTRACT: In this Article, we present mass-selected threshold photoelectron spectra of propargyl as well as the 1- and 3-bromopropargyl radicals. The reactive intermediates were produced by flash pyrolysis of suitable precursors and ionized by VUV synchrotron radiation. The TPES of the propargyl radical was simulated using data from a recent high-level computational study. An ionization energy (IE) of 8.71 ± 0.02 eV was obtained, in excellent agreement with computations, but slightly above previous experimental IEs. The pyrolysis of 1,3-dibromopropyne delivers both 1- and 3-bromopropargyl radicals that can be distinguished by their different ionization energies (8.34 and 8.16 eV). To explain the vibrational structure, a Franck-Condon simulation was performed, based on DFT calculations, which can account for all major spectral features. Bromopropargyl photoionizes dissociatively beginning at around 10.1 eV. Cationic excited states of 1- and 3-bromopropargyl were tentatively identified. The dissociative photoionization of the precursor (1,3-dibromopropyne) was also examined, delivering an AE(0K) (C(3)H(2)Br(+)/C(3)H(2)Br(2)) of 10.6 eV.
Article: Threshold Photoelectron Spectroscopy of Cyclopropenylidene, Chlorocyclopropenylidene, and Their Deuterated Isotopomeres[Show abstract] [Hide abstract]
ABSTRACT: Cyclopropenylidene (c-C(3)H(2)), chlorocyclopropenylidene (c-C(3)HCl), and their deuterated isotopomers were studied by the threshold photoelectron-photoion coincidence (TPEPICO) technique using VUV synchrotron radiation. The carbenes were generated via flash pyrolysis. In all species a change in geometry is visible upon ionization, with significant activity in the C═C, C-C-stretching mode and, in the case of c-C(3)H(2)/D(2), the C-H-bending mode. The electron is removed from an sp(2) like hybrid orbital centered on the carbene C atom. The mass selected threshold photoelectron (TPE) spectra were fitted by a Franck-Condon simulation, yielding the equilibrium geometry of the cation ground state ((1)A(1)). The adiabatic ionization energy IE(ad) of c-C(3)H(2) was determined to be 9.17 eV, in good agreement with calculations and literature values. Two vibrational wavenumbers of the cation were determined experimentally (ν(3)(+) = 1150 cm(-1) and ν(2)(+) = 1530 cm(-1)). Chlorocyclopropenylidene was also studied by TPE spectroscopy and has a similar IE(ad) of 9.17 eV. The spectrum also shows a vibrational progression that corresponds to the C═C- and C-C-stretching modes of the cation. The equilibrium geometry was also determined by a Franck-Condon fit. The IE(ad) of the deuterated isotopomers, c-C(3)D(2) and c-C(3)DCl, were also determined to be 9.17 eV. The spectra confirm the assignments for the nondeuterated species.
Article: Time- and frequency-resolved photoionization of the C 2A2 state of the benzyl radical, C7H7[Show abstract] [Hide abstract]
ABSTRACT: The structure and dynamics of the C 2A2 electronically excited state of the benzyl radical, C7H7, were investigated by nanosecond and femtosecond pump-probe photoionization. A free jet of benzyl radicals was generated by flash pyrolysis from the precursors 2-phenylethyl nitrite and toluene. Nanosecond multiphoton ionization spectra show a number of vibronic bands that are excited in the wavelength range of 290–310 nm. At excitation wavelengths of 305, 301, and 298 nm, rapid biexponential decay of the excited states was observed. Lifetimes at the C-state origin (305 nm excitation) are 400 fs and 4.5 ps. The lifetimes decrease with increasing excitation energy. The dynamics can be understood within a two-step internal conversion to the electronic ground state.
Article: Threshold Photoelectron Spectroscopy of the Methyl Radical Isotopomers, CH3, CH2D, CHD2 and CD3: Synergy between VUV Synchrotron Radiation Experiments and Explicitly Correlated Coupled Cluster Calculations†[Show abstract] [Hide abstract]
ABSTRACT: Threshold photoelectron spectra (TPES) of the isotopomers of the methyl radical (CH3, CH2D, CHD2, and CD3) have been recorded in the 9.5−10.5 eV VUV photon energy range using third generation synchrotron radiation to investigate the vibrational spectroscopy of the corresponding cations at a 7−11 meV resolution. A threshold photoelectron−photoion coincidence (TPEPICO) spectrometer based on velocity map imaging and Wiley−McLaren time-of-flight has been used to simultaneously record the TPES of several radical species produced in a Ar-seeded beam by dc flash-pyrolysis of nitromethane (CHxDyNO2, x + y = 3). Vibrational bands belonging to the symmetric stretching and out-of-plane bending modes have been observed and P, Q, and R branches have been identified in the analysis of the rotational profiles. Vibrational configuration interaction (VCI), in conjunction with near-equilibrium potential energy surfaces calculated by the explicitly correlated coupled cluster method CCSD(T*)-F12a, is used to calculate vibrational frequencies for the four radical isotopomers and the corresponding cations. Agreement with data from high-resolution IR spectroscopy is very good and a large number of predictions is made. In particular, the calculated wavenumbers for the out-of-plane bending vibrations, ν2(CH3+) = 1404 cm−1, ν4(CH2D+) = 1308 cm−1, ν4(CHD2+) = 1205 cm−1, and ν2(CD3+) = 1090 cm−1, should be accurate to ca. 2 cm−1. Additionally, computed Franck−Condon factors are used to estimate the importance of autoionization relative to direct ionization. The chosen models globally account for the observed transitions, but in contrast to PES spectroscopy, evidence for rotational and vibrational autoionization is found. It is shown that state-selected methyl cations can be produced by TPEPICO spectroscopy for ion−molecule reaction studies, which are very important for the understanding of the planetary ionosphere chemistry.
Article: Side-Chain Effects on the Electronic Relaxation of Radicals followed by Time-Resolved Pump-Probe Spectroscopy: 2,3-Dimethylbut-2-yl vs tert-Butyl[Show abstract] [Hide abstract]
ABSTRACT: The excited-state lifetime of the 2,3-dimethylbut-2-yl (DMB) radical, a hexyl isomer, upon electronic excitation into the 3p Rydberg state at 265 nm, is measured by femtosecond time-resolved photoionization. It is shown that the 3p state deactivates in a two-step process, which is well described by two time constants of 25 and 400 fs. The results are compared to tert-butyl (t-C(4)H(9)), another tertiary radical investigated before. Time-dependent DFT calculations confirm the earlier suggestion that curve crossings along the C-C coordinate play an important role in the excited-state deactivation.
Article: The photoionisation of two phenylcarbenes and their diazirine precursors investigated using synchrotron radiation[Show abstract] [Hide abstract]
ABSTRACT: Two phenylcarbenes, chlorophenylcarbene (CPC) and trifluoromethylphenylcarbene (TFPC), were generated by jet flash pyrolysis of diazirine precursors. Their photoionisation was studied by photoelectron-photoion coincidence spectroscopy using synchrotron radiation. For CPC we determined an adiabatic ionisation energy (IE) of 8.15 eV and a vertical IE of 9.3 eV. For TFPC we obtained an adiabatic IE of 8.47 eV and a vertical IE of 8.95 eV. The photoelectron spectra are broad and unstructured due to a large increase in the angle between the phenyl group, carbene centre and the substituent (Cl or CF(3)). The geometry change upon ionisation is more pronounced for CPC. Being a singlet arylcarbene, CPC is more strongly bent in the neutral ground state than the triplet TFPC. In addition, the bond between the carbenic centre and the chlorine atom shortens upon ionisation, because the radical cation is stabilised by the non-bonding electrons of the Cl through a mesomeric effect. The photoionisation and dissociative photoionisation of the diazirine precursors are also explored. The CPC precursor, 3-chloro-3-phenyldiazirine, undergoes complete dissociative photoionisation and only the CPC(+) fragment is observed above 8.8 eV. For 3-trifluoromethyl-3-phenyldiazirine some molecular ions can be observed above 9.05 eV. However, dissociative photoionisation also sets in right at the ionisation threshold. A fit to the data yields an appearance energy of AE (0 K) approximately 9.27 eV.
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ABSTRACT: The excited-state dynamics of the singlet carbene propadienylidene, l-C(3)H(2), were investigated by femtosecond time-resolved photoionisation. The carbene was excited into the C (1)A(1) state with 250 nm pulses and the subsequent excited state dynamics were probed by multiphoton ionization with 800 nm pulses. The lifetime of the C (1)A(1) state was determined to be 70 fs. In agreement with recent nanosecond experiments, we assume that the carbene deactivates to the electronic ground state where it subsequently dissociates. Since propadienylidene was generated from 3-bromo-1-iodopropyne, two further radical intermediates were studied, IC(3)H(2) and C(3)H(2)Br. For both species, an ultrafast excited state decay was observed with an upper limit of 40 fs for the respective lifetimes.
Article: Ultrafast Dynamics of Isolated Phenylcarbenes Followed by Femtosecond Time-Resolved Velocity Map Imaging[Show abstract] [Hide abstract]
ABSTRACT: The ultrafast dynamics of two carbene model systems, chlorophenylcarbene (CPC) and trifluoromethylphenylcarbene (TFPC), has been studied in a molecular beam. Velocity map imaging aids optimizing the pyrolysis conditions for a clean generation of reactive intermediates by supersonic jet flash pyrolysis. The dynamics was followed in real time by time-resolved mass spectroscopy and photoion and photoelectron imaging. CPC was excited at 265 nm into the 3 (1)A' state, corresponding to excitation from a pi-orbital of the aromatic ring into the lowest unoccupied molecular orbital, which contains the p-orbital at the carbene center. The experimental results suggest a three step deactivation process in agreement with computations. TFPC exhibits two absorption bands in the 36,000 cm(-1) and 41,000 cm(-1) range and gives rise to very similar dynamics, although it has a triplet ground state. The experimental data were augmented by computations.
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ABSTRACT: The B 1B1 ← X 1A1 transition of isolated cyclopropenylidene, c-C3H2, has been studied by multiphoton ionization and H-atom photofragment Doppler spectroscopy. The carbene is produced by flash pyrolysis of 1-chlorocycloprop-2-ene. Three bands are observed at 271.0, 266.9, and 264.6 nm. The 271 nm band is assumed to be the origin of the transition, in agreement with TD-DFT computations that yield a vertical excitation energy of 4.74 eV (262 nm). The appearance of H-atom photofragments indicates that c-C3H + H is an important reaction channel at UV excitation energies.
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ABSTRACT: Understanding the primary photophysical processes in molecules is essential for interpreting their photochemistry, because molecules rarely react from the initially excited electronic state. In this study the ultrafast excited-state dynamics of chlorophenylcarbene (CPC) and trifluoromethylphenylcarbene (TFPC), two species that are considered as models for carbene dynamics, were investigated by femtosecond time-resolved pump probe spectroscopy in the gas phase. Their dynamics was followed in real time by time-resolved photoionization and photoelectron imaging. CPC was excited at 265 nm into the 3 1A' state, corresponding to excitation from a pi-orbital of the aromatic ring into the LUMO. The LUMO contains a contribution of the p-orbital at the carbene center. Three time constants are apparent in the photoelectron images: A fast decay process with tau1 approximately 40 fs, a second time constant of tau2 approximatley 350 fs, and an additional time constant of tau3 approximately 1 ps. The third time constant is only visible in the time-dependence of low kinetic energy electrons. Due to the dense manifold of excited states between 3.9 and 5 eV, known from ab initio calculations, the recorded time-resolved electron images show broad and unstructured bands. A clear population transfer between the states thus can not directly be observed. The fast deactivation process is linked to either a population transfer between the strongly coupled excited states between 3.9 and 5.0 eV or the movement of the produced wave packet out of the Franck-Condon region. Since the third long time constant is only visible for photoelectrons at low kinetic energy, evidence is given that this time constant corresponds to the lifetime of the lowest excited A 1A' state. The remaining time constant reflects a deactivation of the manifold of states in the range 3.9-5.0 eV down to the A 1A' state.
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ABSTRACT: We investigate the photochemistry and photodissociation dynamics of the linear C3H2 isomer propadienylidene by two-colour photofragment Doppler spectroscopy at excitation wavelengths between 260 and 230 nm, corresponding to excitation into the C1 A1 state. Propadienylidene is generated by pyrolysis from IC3H2Br. Almost complete conversion of the precursor can only be achieved at high pyrolysis temperatures. Two reaction channels, H-atom loss and loss of H2 molecules, are energetically close. Our results show that H-atom loss is indeed important in the investigated energy range. The Doppler profiles indicate that 34-37% of the excess energy is released as translation. The rates for H-atom loss are faster than the time resolution of our nanosecond-laser setup, kH > 10(8) s(-1).
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ABSTRACT: Hydrocarbon radicals CxHy are constituents of various planetary atmospheres, in particular Titan, as a result of the methane photochemistry induced by the solar radiation. They contribute to the neutral chemistry, but are also important for the ionosphere through their photoionisation leading to their cations CxHy +. These cations are also produced by ion-molecule reactions starting from the reaction of the primary ions CH4 + and CH3 + which are created in the non-dissociative and dissociative photoionisation of CH4. This work aims at caracterizing the VUV photoionisation of small hydrocarbon radicals as a function of photon energy. The objective is to provide laboratory data for modelers on the spectroscopy, the thermochemistry, and the reactivity of the radicals and their cations. The hydrocarbon radicals are much less caracterized than stable molecules since they have to be produced in situ in the laboratory experiment. We have adapted at Orsay [1-3] a pyrolysis source (Figure 1) well suited to produce cold beams of hydrocarbon radicals to our experimental setups. Available now at Orsay, we have two new sources of VUV radiation, complementary in terms of tunability and resolution, that can be used for these studies. The first one is the DESIRS beamline [4] at the new french synchrotron, SOLEIL. The second one is the VUV laser developped at the Centre Laser de l'Université Paris-Sud (CLUPS) [5]. At SOLEIL, a photoelectron-photoion coincidence spectrometer is used to monitor the photoionisation on a large photon energy range. At the CLUPS, a pulsedfield ionisation (PFI-ZEKE) spectrometer allows studies at higher resolution on selected photon energies. The first results obtained with these new setups will be presented. References [1] Fischer, I., Schussler, T., Deyerl, H.J., Elhanine, M. & Alcaraz, C., Photoionization and dissociative photoionization of the allyl radical, C3H5. Int. J. Mass Spectrom., 261 (2-3), 227-233 (2007) [2] Schüßler, T., Roth, W., Gerber, T., Alcaraz, C. & Fischer, I., The vacuum ultraviolet photochemistry of radicals: C3H3 and C2H5. Phys. Chem. Chem. Phys., 7 (5), 819-825 (2005) [3] Schüßler, T., Deyerl, H. J., Dummler, S., Fischer, I., Alcaraz, C. & Elhanine, M., The vacuum ultraviolet photochemistry of the allyl radical investigated using synchrotron radiation J. Chem. Phys., 118 (20), 9077-80 (2003) [4] DESIRS, http://www.synchrotronsoleil. fr/portal/page/portal/Recherche/LignesLumiere/ DESIRS [5] CLUPS, http://www.clups.u-psud.fr/
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ABSTRACT: The photodissociation of 2-propyl leading to propene+H was investigated with nanosecond time resolution. A supersonic beam of isolated 2-propyl radicals was produced by pyrolysis of 2-bromopopane. The kinetic energy release of the H-atom photofragment was monitored as a function of excitation wavelength by photofragment Doppler spectroscopy via the Lyman-alpha transition. The loss of hydrogen atoms after excitation proceeds in alpha position to the radical center with a rate constant of 5.8x10(7) s-1 at 254 nm. Approximately 20% of the excess energy is deposited as translation in the H-atom photofragment. In contrast 1-propyl does not lose H atoms to a significant extent. The experimental results are compared to simple Rice-Ramsperger-Kassel-Marcus calculations. The possible reaction pathways are examined in hybrid density functional theory calculations.
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ABSTRACT: The excited-state dynamics of the tert-butyl radical, t-C4H9, was investigated by femtosecond time-resolved photoionization and photoelectron spectroscopy. The experiments were supported by ab initio calculations. tert-Butyl radicals, generated by flash pyrolysis of azo-tert-butane, were excited into the A 2A1 (3s) state between 347 and 307 nm and the 3p band at 274 and 268 nm and ionized by 810-nm radiation, in a [1 + 2'] or [1 + 3'] process. Electronic structure calculations confirm that the two states are of s and p Rydberg characters, respectively. The carbon framework becomes planar and thus ion-like in both states. The photoelectron spectra are broad and seem to be mediated by accidental intermediate resonances in the probe step. All time-resolved photoelectron spectra can be described by a single decay time. For the A 2A1 state, lifetimes between 180 and 69 fs were measured. Surprisingly, a much longer lifetime of around 2 ps was found for the 3p state. To understand the decay dynamics, the potential energy was computed as a function of several important nuclear coordinates. A [1,2] H-atom shift to the isobutyl radical seems not to be important for the excited-state dynamics. Qualitative considerations indicate curve crossings between the ground state, the 3s state, and a valence state along the asymmetric C-C stretch coordinate that correlates to the dimethylcarbene + methyl product channel. The implications of the present study for earlier work on the nanosecond time scale are discussed.
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ABSTRACT: The one-electron oxidation potential of 10 triarylamines 1–10 with all permutations of chloro-, methoxy- and methyl-substituents in the three para-positions were determined by cyclic voltammetry. The half wave potential E1/2(I) of the first oxidation wave correlates linearly with the number of chloro- and methoxy-substituents. A high long-term stability of the first oxidation wave for all triarylamines was observed by multi-cycle thin-layer measurements. AM1-CISD derived values of the absorption energies are in good agreement with the experiments but differ strongly for the oscillator strengths as well as for neutral compounds 1–10 and their corresponding mono radical cations. The small solvent dependence of the experimental UV/Vis spectra in CH2Cl2 and MeCN reflects a minor charge transfer (CT) character of the electronic transitions of neutral and cationic compounds.
Article: Excited-state decay of hydrocarbon radicals, investigated by femtosecond time-resolved photoionization: Ethyl, propargyl, and benzyl[Show abstract] [Hide abstract]
ABSTRACT: The excited state decay of the hydrocarbon radicals ethyl, C(2)H(5); propargyl, C(3)H(3); and benzyl, C(7)H(7) was investigated by femtosecond time-resolved photoionization. Radicals were generated by flash pyrolysis of n-propyl nitrite, propargyl bromide, and toluene, respectively. It is shown that the 2 (2)A(') (3s) Rydberg state of ethyl excited at 250 nm decays with a time constant of 20 fs. No residual signal was observed at longer delay times. For the 3 (2)B(1) state of propargyl excited at 255 nm a slower decay with a time constant 50+/-10 fs was determined. The 4 (2)B(2) state of benzyl excited at 255 nm decays within 150+/-30 fs.
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Would you put your child into a Catholic primary school if you're not religious?
Genuine question (and I apologise if it has been done before)
Would you put your child into a catholic primary school if you are not religious?
I'm not religious, but went to a catholic high school and it was hugely different to the non-denominational school I attened for 3 months prior to my 4 years at the catholic school.
This isn't my main reasoning though. The main one being, the way it works, the council give you a catholic and a non-catholic school to choose out of for enrolment week- which is in January. My son will be starting school in August and EVERYTHING is pulling me towards the Catholic school. It's a MUCH better school, through online reviews (can't think of a better word) AND through word of mouth, through people we know etc.
I really want him to go there, so much so I actually went and enquired this week about it and was told not being a Catholic is not an issue and they welcome non-religious children. But it's the whole stigma attached to it.
So, would you? Honest opinions REALLY needed. Thank you
Yes I have. We live in NI so you kinda have to choose between one denomination and the other, there's no "non-religious" here really.
DS goes to the local school, which is Catholic, and AMAZING. They really are. He does do the religious stuff, but that's his choice. As he gets older if he chooses to opt out that's fine - the school know that's our stance on things.
My mum went to a Catholic school, and my Nan is Irish so she did too. Mum and Nan were raised proper Catholic, I wasn't, though I was baptised and raised 'around' it so to speak. There's worse things IMO, and it's definitely the best education around - particularly in England, where frankly, state education standards are appalling.
Personally I would. My husband is Catholic (although we don't go to church) and we've been meaning to get our children baptised.
Faith schools generally have a better ethos and get much better results than non-faith schools.
Thank you for your replies summer and dawn!
I'd kind of made my mind up already, I know some people will question it/ask for some sort of justification, but it just seems wrong to send him to the other school JUST because he isn't religious, when I really have literally fallen in love with the other school. They're just SO different.
I will have the same attitude as you, I think, Summer. My son will be 5years 8 months come August and over the coming months, I plan to explain to him that he will go to a school where they will (prayer and mass is included in their timetable even though it's definitely not a case of all catholics go there) pray every day. I plan on giving him a rough idea about why they pray/their reasonings and what it means and so on. But I think I will be very clear in the fact he doesn't NEED to participate (and will be clear on this with the school, also) and to be honest if he chooses to go along with it then I will support him all the way, obviously. If he doesn't, then that's fine too.
I think you chose the best school regardless of the religion.
I say go for the school you're happy with, as long as they don't expect your son to be catholic, then great!
I'm not catholic but wouldn't hesitate to to put my children in a religious school if it meant a better education.
I agree with going for the school which is best for you and your child. Thing is in our area we have an excellent catholic primary and junior school. But it is notoriously difficult to get into unless you are of the catholic faith. Part of their entry criteria is they give preference to those within the faith. I have even known of some parents who have joined up years before in order to get their children in - that I don't agree with!
I wouldnt.
I am not religious and have no intention of ever sending my kids to a school that promotes one particular religion. Even if it was a far exceptional school and on my doorstep, I wouldnt send mine there.
But I have no problem with other people doing so. Each to their own.
I have my DD in a CofE pre school and am hoping to get her in the adjoining Primary school next year despite not being religious in any way.
It's also my old primary school and it has a fantastic reputation. It is, in my mind, without doubt the best school in the area and I think she will get the best education there.
I have no issue with the religious aspect of it. I took part in it all myself as a child and thoroughly enjoyed it but still came to the conclusion as an adult that it wasn't for me. Sure my DD will come to her own decisions over time too and that's fine with me.
If the best school in the area for her was a Catholic school I wouldn't hesitate to send her there either.
if i wasn't religious i wouldn't, but i am but would choose c/e rather than rc.
Mine goes to a CoE school and we're not religious. I think as long as you aren't going to be offended by the religious teaching, it's fine. Mine has come home with religious pictures, is very trusting and believes a lot of the religious teaching at the moment. They attend church once every half term.
I think she'll make a decision for herself when she's ready.
I had a similar upbringing - atheist parents and a church of england school. To me it was something I knew about and could take or leave. I didn't and still don't see it as harmful. I've read similar threads that mention indoctrination.
But I don't think intelligent people are really indoctinated by religion very often. They just choose to take or leave it, having had the information.
If it's a good school, I'd go for it.
Can I ask why if that is the case? It just seems like sacrificing your child's best chances just because of religion?
Totally your choice of course, but why?
My DD's aren't religious in any way, and neither am I, but DD1 goes to a Catholic primary school, and DD2 will when she's old enough. I chose it for the convenience (its at the end of my street) and the fab reviews.
I am pee'd off today with them though, as I got the weekly news letter out of DD1's bag, and on it was a section about the school's parish doing a protest outside the abortion clinic in our town They're going to stand outside and shout prayers to people going in and out! I find this disrespectful, and especially seeing as the CHILDREN of the school had these news letters!! I've made a thread about it titled 'Abortion'
Debbie - I do see what you mean now. Wherease CoE is a little bit different, there are some quite strong Catholic beliefs that would be hard to digest for me.
my DD attends a catholic primary school,,,
we do not attend mass, bt she and her daddy are baptised catholic
i am c of e,, bt did not attend a religous school
a lot of people will think this is wrong ,,, bt i did have her baptised into her daddy's faith so she would stand a better chance of attending a catholic school as it is the best school in our area,, (well not quite its inthe nxt town, a bus ride away if her daddy cant take her in car),, the school local to us are quite poor and 2/3 classes per yr,,, the one she goes to has 1 class per yr,,
so in answer to your question then yes i wud if it is the best school
liz xx
We did.
We are not Catholic, although I do go to church on high days and holidays so to speak, but we applied to the local Catholic Primary and surprisingly got in. They asked for a copy of her baptimsim certificate, but no one has every questioned whether we go to church or not.
The reason we applied, is that it was the best school and the nearest to us. Personally, I never had a problem with them learning about God, there were quite a few assemblies and lots of times they had class worship and prayers morning and evening. The only thing I found strange is that our dd would 'cross' herself as did the other children, including at home if we ever said night time prayers!
I wasn't sure what would have happened when we got to Communion and stuff, but as we have just moved her to an Independent School so it is not going to be an issue now.
If it is the best school, then apply, you have to do the best for your child, regardless of religion.
By the way, two friends of our girls went to the same school (they are Catholic) and both of them are aetheists now - so no guarantees!
no i wouldnt. my oh went to a catholic school and he wasnt catholic and he hated it. so no.
Both of my children attend our local catholic primary school, and we aren't a religious family at all. The school does not force religion down their throats and have no problem with non catholics attending. I want the best education for my children, so chose that school.
Well, it seems the majority of people would send their children regardless of religion - which is good and what I was wanting to hear!
whether religious or not a child has to qualify for that place.
I don't believe that the amount of parents who lie, get baptised etc to get into a relgious school set a good example but if there is a place and your child qualifies over a catholic child or anyother religion then I do not see it as depriving someone of a place.
You got the place because you qualified. Cheating and getting the place is a different matter and I think are separate arguements.
The purpose of all religious schools is school first, religion second. Some religious schools have little religious input and others have more. You choose a school that you think your child will do best at.
I would never send my child to a Catholic, or any other faith school, if I wasn't of that faith.
I am English and live in the republic of Ireland (and not religious in any way or catholic for that matter!). As 95% of the population is catholic we will be sending our kids to a catholic school, even if we had a problem with this, and I don't, it is a very good school and my inlaws taught there who are catholic in name only, there is little other choice. I would be furious if I started to get letters like one of the other posters re abortion etc but I don't hink the school principle is insane enough to even try that kind of stunt! I would go to the best school regardless of denomination. This is our kids futures we are talking about after all.
Personally I would only send dd or ds to a catholic school if I was a practising catholic which I'm not now. I was brought up catholic and attended the local catholic school and high school and were at chapel at least twice, if not more, a week!
I'm now lapsed and have no intention of going back anytime soon. Dd started primary school in August and the nearest school is a catholic school but we decided against it as neither me or hubby go to mass. Dd and ds aren't christened, have no plans to do it either.
I'm the only person in my family not to send their children to a catholic school and it's gone down like a lead balloon lol. Personally I found that the catholic religion was rammed down my throat at every opportunity and this really did put me off it. Also, things like not supporting or fundraising for Red Nose day because they help AIDS charities, really put the tin lid on it for me.
When I attended school there weren't any other kids in my class that hadn't been christened and everyone participated in things like First Confession, First Communion, Confirmation - not sure how I'd feel if my kids were the only ones in the class not being involved in these things.
Totally personal choice and op I fully understand your reasons for wanting to send your child to this school. Just for me and hubby I would rather send dd and ds when the time comes to a non-denominational school and let them make their own minds up about religion as they seem to teach them a variety of religions. Good luck xx
Personally, I would not.
For me, I do not think practising religion should be combined with education. I believe the only religion in school should be learning about different ones in religious studies as children need an understanding of the world we live in.
Religion can be practised outside of school in my opinion and it doesn't need to be brought into the childs school day.
I believe that the most important thing is the interest and help that the parents give to the child at home to aid learning at school. Also if discipline at home is good. My brother is a teacher and he says a child usually does well if parents are consistently helping them at home, no matter how good/bad the school appears on an OFSTED report etc.
Just my opinion though.
Jo x
My second daughter who is 5 started at a Catholic primary school and it is absolutely fantastic and I couldn't have been happier with my choice. They are so good with my daughter and they are more than meeting her needs and abilities and to me that is all that's important. My other 2 children will also be going there when they are old enough.
"But it's the whole stigma attached to it. "
Im a little niave on this issue..theres a stigma attached to having gone to a catholic school? seriously? never come across that here in Brum. Im a muslim and I'd be more than happy to sent my son to a catholic school as they are generally more disciplined and usually have better ofsted reports and i think its great for children to learn about other cultures and religions, I wouldnt have a problem with it in the least. Good luck!
If the Catholic school was the better school then I would enroll my children there!! Their education is of paramount importance to me and if that means choosing a Catholic school then so be it. This may happen when my daughter moves up to high school. A friend of mine teaches at the high schools in our area and has already given her opinions on them. There are a few of DD's friends who have older siblings at the Catholic high school due to the same reasons.
So, yes. I'd pick the better school regardless of religion!
if i was non religiouse then a would but as i am religiouse and not catholic i feel it would be a step to far and confusing for my dd to learn almost opposite at school what she does at home, as long as your willing to accept the religiouse element then i see no problem with it
My DH is a catholic as are all our children (DH is a Sunday school teacher at our local RC church in fact) and I am a Methodist. Our younger children go to the local Cof E primary school for the reason that we looked at all the options and felt that this was the school that offered our children the best all round education. Our eldest goes to an excellent non denominational secondary school. Religious affiliation wasn't a major factor in our choice of schools - we were looking for the best over all education.
That said, I think I would be reluctant to send my children to any school which actively taught religious beliefs that were significantly in opposition to my own. I think if you send your child to a school with a religious affiliation you do have to accept that that religion will be taught to some degree or other. It's a matter of individual conscience as to whether you can accept that or not.
Yup schools like this have a number of spaces for non catholic families,I was one them and went shouldn't be a prob,school is school end the day no matter what religion you are
I'm amazed at the amount of non catholics getting into catholic schools. When my 2 boys attended we had to show their baptism certificates (performed in a catholic church). And of course it was expected that all the children would make their first confession and first holy communion.
I agree with Eleanor, i wouldn't send my kids to a catholic school if they were non practising as they would be excluded from all activites with their peers
I was raised catholic but both my dh & I don't practice & i'm the only one in my family not to have a church wedding (my father nearly didn't attend because of it) & my two children aren't attending a catholic school.
What will your children do for religion class - sit in the library. will they take part in the nativity at christmas & attend mass during the school year & also what about first communion & confirmation - all important things in the catholic school. I wouldn't want my child to be excluded from full participation with their classmates
my school also wouldn't allow fundraising for red nose day as they supported aids charites
No I would not
I mean each to their own and all that but why would you if you are not religous / practice that religion?!
Ditto for having a church wedding when not religious or getting christened just to be able to do so etc
It just doesn't sit right with me
No I am not. My husband is catholic and I married him in his church to please his mother, I am prodestant although do not attend church. Although in my wedding vow's I had to promise to bring my children up as catholic I just couldnt do it. My MIL thinks they are going to catholic school but they will be going to the school where I went as a youngster and where their older cousins attend. Our local catholic school is a ten to fifteen min drive away, the school I went to and where they will be going to is a 5 min walk away.
It would also be entirely different if I was actually fighting the council for a place at a Catholic school for my son, but I'm not. I have been GIVEN the option of it along with a different school in our catchment area (as has every other parent in my area/catchment area) - which just happens to be awful.
I know the other local Catholic school here is super strict with intakes and asks for baptism certificates at enrolment, but this one doesn't and welcomes children from any religion, really.
I have been thinking about it for a long while. I was just looking for opinions, really as to what others choose to do in this sort of situation.
Another lady said even if she did know one school was better than the other, she wouldn't send her child to it IF it was a religious school. I am the opposite of that, I suppose. It's a fact I really can't ignore when I am considering my sons future. (that this school is much better than the other choice)
If I were in that situation who knows I may change my mind ? but we have quite a few schools to choose from where we live so haven't found myself in that situation as yet with my 2 boys
Hi Allison, It sounds as if the school is quite happy to take non catholic children. It's not like you are pretending to be something you are not in order to gain the place is it? And you obviously feel strongly that this is the best school for your child. So it sounds like the school is happy to take you and you are happy to go. Maybe you just need to check out the religious teaching in a bit more detail if you've got any anxieties about that side of things? I'm sure the head teacher would be happy to give you more information. Have you visited the school yet?
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I would only send my child to a catholic school if they didnt need to get baptised. I was christened but I dont go to church and my partner is athiest and neither of my children have been christened (I want to leave this as their own choice when their older just incase they decide to follow a different religion just so they wont be going against another religion in doing that however I will raise them with a belief in God). i dont agree with the fact children HAVE to be baptised to go to school (atleast they do round here) as many parents just baptise their kids to get them in, which isnt right. plus I would rather send them to a non-demoninational mainstream school and they can learn about all the different cultures and religions
My children are all being bought up with in the Catholic faith. DH is RC and I am not, but I believe it's important that they should be bought up within a faith and then have the right to choose for themselves when they get older as to their beliefs. If they don't want to continue to practice when they are older then that's fine by me.
Our school is oversubscribed and has a huge waiting list, every year children are turned away. It is a lovely small school with an excellent Ofsted report, good discipline and a real community feel to it. I think all the 'faith' schools tend to have a better reputation in our area.
Would I want my children to go there if they were not RC? Yes for all the above reasons!
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just do what you feel is right noone else can say what is right for your kids
His enrolment week is the second week in January so I guess I'll know more then.
It's a Catholic school but there's no proof needed.
I guess I'd have to seriously consider my options of moving or something if a baptism certificate was needed because then that would basically force me into sending him to the other school.
All Catholic school are open to non Catholic children. However Catholic children have priority as do children with siblings at the school already. xx
We asked him what he had done at school that day and he said he had been to the pub ?? I couldnt understand it - then he said he had had a glass of wine in the pub and crisps? Turns out he had had Mass and a drink (which he thought was wine lol) from a goblet and a bread offering on bless couldnt stop laughing. Anywaythe schools great so goi for it - doesnt matter what your religion is but I must say the Catholic schools do seem to be well organised and good on behaviour, homework etc.
their school no longer accepts non catholics as there is such a high demand for places there isnt any room for non catholics. i know of 3 children who didnt get a place last year due to people suddenly having their children baptised just to get into the school. although they are catholic it was based on a first come first served basis regardless of whether they attend church or not which i thought was very wrong but i will get the same problem now with my ds2 as i have to re apply for his reception place
No definitely not.
I used to send my 2 boys to a catholic school and im not religous.
both boys have been christened and i did go to a church school myself when i was younger and come from a catholic background, but am methodist.
my reasons to send them to one was the school was actually the only one in the area with outstanding offsted reports and both boys did fantastic whilst they were there. the teachers seemed alot stricter than those at other schools but it was in a funny area so i think they were used to kids coming in with attitude problems and behaviour issues.
my oldest hated every minute of it, he fell behind with his reading and writing and was bullied, so in the end once my divorce started i moved areas and put them in a normal primary school.
Yes I have, both my 2 (and hopefully LO when he's old enough) have gone to the school I went to, I was brought up Catholic, church every week etc. But they arent baptised as DH has no religion (and I am no longer a practicing catholic) and I didnt feel it appropriate to 'force' for want of a better word my religion on them, they can decide when they are older. It is different now, when I went it was exclusively for catholic families now there are many different religions in the school. Priority is given to those that have been baptised though.
I chose it because it has very small class numbers and is a million times better than the alternative in our area xx
The body and blood thing also slightly confused him. Somehow he construed eating the body and blood of Christ into "Jesus was killed by a baby vampire." Took me and his teacher ages to work out where he got it from haha.
- particularly in England, where frankly, state education standards are appalling.[/QUOTE]
A bit of a sweeping statement I think! My kids go to a fantastic state school in England.
Just a general comment; you can not "opt out" of the catholic 'side' of a catholic education, the two are intertwined.
Ditto any other religious school. (I.e. a child will not sit out of 'RE' lessons, prayer time, assemblies etc. unless specific provision is explicitly made).
Even then, if you choose to send your child there, you choose to subscribe to their way of teaching - that covers all areas, faith included. It permeates every part of every day and how things are dealt with and spoken about (e.g. praying for a sick child, fundraising for cafod, learning about the school patron saint/s etc).
I would hazard a guess that, if you do not like the sound of the above, then another school is the option - whether the supposed quality of education is different or not
Or, if you can fully take on board that you must respect the school and it's religious life then crack on - win/win:-
School has parents with an active interest in their children's education; fully informed of the life of the school.
Parents have full awareness of their decision over how their child is educated with due regard for such.
Bob's your uncle. Fanny's your aunt.
How refreshing to find parents talking positively about the benefits of a catholic education! Catholic schools have always been open to accepting children from other religious denominations, but they will often give preference to catholic children when they are over subscribed.
Unfortunately, the catholic schools in our local area do not have particularly good reputations, so despite being a practising Catholic family, we will not be sending DD to a catholic primary school (unless we move area). Our parish operate a Sunday school during mass for children who do not attend catholic school, so DD will not be missing out on learning about our faith.
Good luck Allison, absolutely nothing wrong with wanting the best education for your child. As others have said, sounds as though the school you would like to send your child to have a modern attitude so won't be demanding you convert to catholicism.
Best wishes
I'm currently in the process of deciding where to apply for primary school applications for my ds.
I'm baptised catholic but do not practice, my partner is C of E and also does not practice. Neither of us have anything against the religious aspect of any school we eventually send my son to - I'm not aware of any difference in the standard of education between a non-denominational and denominational school - all schools in my area appear to be good and well rated by parents - so obviously choosing which schools will be a minefield!
However, I wanted to point out to answer your post that there does seem to be a lot of stigma attached to Catholic schools. Our nearest school happens to be a Catholic school and as soon as I mentioned to some parents at my sons pre-school I was thinking of looking round it, several immediately piped up 'we're not into all of that' (religious element) I was always considering whether it was appropriate to look round especially as there is an additional form asking about the religious side of things.....
Well anyhow, I went round, and to be honest I found the school really welcoming, so far they've been the only school actively encouraging my son to look round with me (this to me is very important!) and when I asked about the religious side, they said it did not matter at all whether he is a baptised catholic or not, I found them just as welcoming and the school ethos was educational and religion didn't seem to be too integral but obviously it is encouraged by personally I do not have a problem with this.
I have also looked at a very good C of E and I found they were far more religion oriented that the catholic school - again no problem to me but I would not be quick to assume that Catholic schools are the ones who force religion as I would not agree completely with that.
I'm going to look at the infant school (my son currently attends the pre-school) which is non-demionational this coming week - again highly rated amongst parents but to me its just huge - intake of 99 and at least 2 Year R classes whereas the other 2 schools are small and community sized which is also pulling me towards them!
I think the point is to choose a school your child will be happy in - take in the atmosphere, look at what all the pupils are doing not just year R - do they seem happy and engaged? Would YOU like to go there? are they happy to see you 'on spec' or only happy to see you on an appointment basis? (appt basis, they are of course, going to give their best accountof the school!)
So in answer to your post, I would most definitely put my child into a Catholic school if I beleived it was the best school for my son - I would not worry about the stigma.
Personally I would send my children to a faith school if I was ONLY praticing that faith.For me I think it is wrong to send your child to a faith school just because it is the best in your area.Faith is a way of life,not something you decide to dip into because ofsted says it is an outstanding school.
I didnt marry in a church or choose to have our children baptised.
I have alot of respect for people who have a faith.My best friend is a strong christian and is very level headed.
No way! I was brought up strict Catholic and changed to C of E last year. If I was not religious I wouldn't dream of even applying to possibly take a place from someone who is religious.
Oh and the reason the church schools have a fab ethos and results is due to religion and the fact that the parents follow that ethos and religion. Something you don't often get in multi or non faith schools.
Hi - we will not be sending DD to a faith school and I am quite adamant about this.
DD has not attended any service to 'induct' (not sure if that is the right terminology) her into a faith and+ nor have I. DH and I didn't marry in a religious service.
We have no intentions to teach her about any religion in detail and will quite happily discuss religion if she has questions.
I feel it would be very inproper to send her to a religious school when we have no intention of attending church or leading our lives by its guidance.
Should DD wish to 'join' (again - terminology??) a faith when she is older we will of course support her one hundred percent.
I don't think I would. If there were really no other good options I may consider it I guess but would much rather my daughter go to a good non religiouis school.
Not on your nelly.
Even if I had to send our kids to school, they would go to a secular one.
Never in a million, billion, kazillion years would I dream of sending my children to a Catholic school - there is far too much indoctrination, visits from priests, prayers before EVERY lesson. I send my children to school in order they learn how to "think" and not to "pray".
As for Catholic schools teaching a higher "morality" - load of tosh... there is no secret and mysterious morality exclusive to Catholicism/Christianity that is not taught in non-denominational/community schools. Further more biblical morality is dubious to say the least, so not really something I'd be proud to teach my children.
Finally, it is well known and has been proven again and again and again that faith schools DO NOT have better results. All statistics are skewed due to the ignorant middle class masses clamouring to send their children to these schools under the misapprehension they are better. It has been so for generations and is a generally accepted fallacy. Think about it - only those who care about their children's education would make an effort to send them specifically to a non-catchment/alternate faith school. The children of these parents are the ones who would "do better" anyway, irrespective of which school they attended. This artificially inflates the school's performance. GENERALLY (bolded to enforce the fact I mean GENERALLY), there is no clamouring of the inner city working classes/underclasses to send their children to faith schools.
Also, faith schools are renowned for their below average acceptance of children from poor families. This is because of what I've mentioned in the previous paragraph, but also because they are allowed to pick and choose who attends.
Studies have shown that if you have two children living in the same postcode, with similarly successful parents - send one to a faith school and one to a community school, GCSE results are more or less IDENTICAL.
It is the best secondary school in our area and I would love my children to go there, and I speak as a secondary teacher who teaches elsewhere!
well ladies i think itis up to the individual , for me no i wouldnt , i am a practising catholic and sent my first 5 kids to catholic schools ad you know the secondary school was so bad i took 2 out left one as she refused to move and sent 2 others to another catholic school in another borough , child no6 went to state school and now attends state secondary school fab school realy happy , state school are not failing i work at a state school that is fab and has very high standards , also in my area the local catholic school wont even take non catholic names , and itis a myth that places are held back for non catholics , they are only given if cant fill the places with catholics , also tracey in ireland i am irish decent and hubby irish , though as you say mostly catholic schools there are educate together schools same as state schools and some church of ireland schools too . it is a myth that catholic schools are better actually state schools have better resources x
I was raised in faith schools but have not continued organised religion. I feel that it gave me a better moral grounding than some of my friends who were in regular state schools and gave me a real sense of self. up to you but if it were my choice id go for it all day long!
Can you be specific regarding the "moral grounding" you were taught in your faith school that, say, your friends could not have been taught in an ordinary school?
Thank you to everyone who's replied. There have been some really good opinions stated! I appreciate them all and take them all in, I really do and I'm grateful to everyone who's replied because, it's okay looking at ofsted reports and speaking to family and friends but sometimes it helps to hear it from an outsiders POV.
It just goes to show that a lot of the people on here who wouldn't send their children to a Catholic school have never set foot inside one! My post refers to secondary school, but is still significant. I am a baptised Catholic and I went to a state first and middle school. By the time I was nine, I had got so picked on (by pupils and teachers) and became so withdrawn that I lost concentration in class and any enthusiasm for learning went down the drain along with good marks and confidence.
When I left, my parents decided not to let me go to the state secondary school and instead sent me to a Catholic girl's school, purely for educational reasons. I can honestly say that although once in a while they had a church service at the end of term and we studied the bible (in general, not from the Catholic point of view!) as part of our curriculum, that was the only remotely religious side of anything about it! The school was a day and boarding school, which had pupils from all religions and from every corner of the globe. We even had a Muslim as Head Girl in our last year there. It was convent-based and a couple of the nuns were teachers, but that school never, ever shoved anything religious down our throats. If anything, it was as multicultural and diverse in its teaching and atmosphere as you could get. From day to day, you would never even know you were at a religious school of any kind, let alone a Catholic one.
What WAS different compared to other schools in the area, was the impeccable manners, presentation and superior standard of general education it instilled in all its pupils. To top it all off, I began my four years there as a struggling, incompetent schoolgirl and left with GCSE grade A's and B's - something I would never have achieved if I had attended a state school. I left at 16 and went on to join a state Sixth Form school. I could instantly see (really not meaning to boast) how much more I knew and just how much better educated I was compared to my fellow Sixth Formers who had all attended the college's state school.
Take it from me, it was no different at all in terms of enforcing any religious beliefs onto the pupils - they just didn't do that at all - but my goodness it was different in terms of educational teaching and standards. Remarkably so. I am not particularly religious these days and don't attend church regularly, but I would send my children to a similar school without a doubt should the opportunity arise in the future.
I suppose this may ruffle a few feathers but im only being honest and giving my opinion on 'faith schools' .
I think the world would be a far better place if all schools were nondenominal! Further to my post on page 2 I found out last night that there is to be a new school built on the ground where my old school is currently (where I want my children to attend) and part of the plan is to have a catholic nursery and a non denonimal nursery under the same roof. I am completely fuming about this! Imagine your children playing with their friends in the playground at break time then getting separated for classes just because of their religion, and they wonder where sectarianism comes from!! Join all schools together, now there is a petition I would gladly sign!! Regardless of faith all children should be together and each learning a little bit of each religion, any further teachings parents wish their children to have would be at the church of their choosing, not in the schools!
Send your son to the school you feel he will be happiest at. I don't think catholic schools have a stigma attached.
I would say that I get a bit cross when people go to faith schools then withdraw thier child from the schools RE programme. If you sign up to a faith school I think you have to sign up to the whole lot and go knwing that your child will be learnimng about life from the faith perspective. Many faith schools will pray in the morning and at the end of the day and will sing praise songs in assembly and say grace at lunch time and attend church and re will be taight as "we believe" where as is non faith schools the have to say "christians believe" rather than we.
Most faith schools welcome non believers as it's a perfect opportunity to give your child a basis in thier faith and almost all faiths call beleivers to spread the word, so there is most are open to all.
If it is the school you like best, do for it.
I am a christain and I am activly inviolved at church, take my jids to sunday school, read them the bible and pray at meals times and bedtimes etc.
I had the choice of catholic school, a number of small C of E schools or a community school, and I chose the community school. My decision was based in it being a good school that was within walking distance rather than having to drive to it, and I feel my children's faith and beliefs are affected mor by me than the school.
I think you get good and bad schools regardless of weather or not they are faith schools or community schools and I think you just need to go for school you like best.
We were encouraged to debate subjects such as euthanasia, taught about birth control and to have sex within a loving relationship, taught to respect other faiths and were not indoctrinated - far from it. Having had this education it has enabled me to see both sides of the coin and I've been able to make informed decisions about my beliefs. I am pro choice and pro euthanasia and a few other things to boot, as are a number of other more liberal Catholics I know who also have minds of their own and understand that some aspects of the religion are outdated. I am now seeing my Daughter being taught in the same way, to have a mind of her own and they are encouraged to asked questions and discuss different subjects. What I also like about the school is the fact they base their ethos around Christianity - caring for others, being kind, thoughtful, respectful and I think this results in better behavior in class.
As for better exam results this differs depending on area. Faith schools can be poor performers as can non faith schools and vice versa. Fact is that in our area they are outstanding compared to other schools, so I am very happy my children are going there and most importantly she loves it! .
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Originally posted by Eileen W(22) "also tracey in ireland i am irish decent and hubby irish , though as you say mostly catholic schools there are educate together schools same as state schools and some church of ireland schools too ."
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Yes there are a few of these schools around but more so in the larger towns, there is some choice where we currently live in Galway but we are moving to rural Mayo very soon and there is no other option for at least 10 miles and no transport! Anyway, it would be nice for my girls to grow up and make friends with the local children as we will be living in a small village. Mine are only coming up to primary school age, couldn't bear the thought of shipping them off miles away, if the schools were terrible I might but as I said both the primary and secondary catholic schools are good.
Hi my son attends a catholic school, my dh is a catholic (irish mother!), and i believe in nowt, this causes a big problem. A few of the other posts say the schools do not force religion on the kids, my school does!! Its the way the catholic schools are set up, they have to teach religion as one of the MAIN subjects on the curriculum, and they spend alot of time on subjects and topics relevent to catholocism. My son is supossed to be doing his first holy communion this year and we have opted out of him diong so, and the school and the priest are not happy, they say we have no commitment to our son. I talk alot to my son about other religions and other ways the world may have been made, just to try and ensure he is not "brain washed" into thinking the catholic way is the only way! On the up side it is a very good school, and they do teach good morals and empathy for others so good and bad from me!!
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Yes. If the school is good why not..
I was brought up catholic but actually am of no faith now but I am planning on sending my lg to the same catholic primary school I went to purely as it is a fantastic school rated outstanding by ofsted. I don't know whether there's any research to back this up but I think religious schools give a better standard of education.
Catholic schools welcome other religions and non religious children too so I don't see any problem with it x
This thread is 4 years old!,
Religious schools are happy to have other faiths/no faith children. I have Aethiest friends who really wanted their children to go to a faith school as they "like the caring ethos" of the school.
They simply tell their children some people believe this, we don't but it's fine for everyone to think different things. Children are much more likely to believe what they are continually exposed to and told at home whether that be belief in God or belief that there is no God.
I attended a C of E school even though I am a Catholic and the education there was brilliant. There was never an issue with children of a different religion or non religion attending and while religion was a part of it it was never a massive deal. If Ii thought one school was better than another I would try to send my child there. Not sure they take religion in to account anyway.
It's a hard question for me to answer as I am catholic & so are my children (husband is CofE), we also live in a small village where there is a small village school, so no choice over where to send the boys to school (although we are lucky and it is an excellent school!).
I'm a bit in the same position though I suppose in that the village school is CofE and is attached the local church (anglican), whereas I am catholic. They have various events associated with the church, the vicar comes in to say grace with the children every lunchtime, and they have a session with the vicar or layperson each week in their class and learn a few childrens hymns etc. Of course, none of that is wildly different to how it would be done in a catholic school I suppose. We tend to go to church twice a month, and because DH & I are different denominations we go once to the catholic church, and once to the CofE church that the school is attached to. Actually even though I'm catholic, I really like the school church as it does a much better sunday school group really! The other two sundays we're usually away for the weekend or doing something else.
I would definitely say go for the best school, regardless of faith / religion, and you may well find your son chooses to join in with the faith elements of school & gains something extra out of it. If he chooses to opt out, that's still fine, but he will still be learning about other faiths & tolerance & acceptance of different religions xx
Whilst I did feel a little uncomfortable doing so, it turns out many parents were doing the same thing and we figured that, as all schools in the area were oversubscribed and we were highly likely to otherwise end up at the failing school, why would we send our son to that school which is much further away when we have a lovely school that is doing very well literally on our doorstep. I wouldn't have done it if we were athiest or anti religion but whilst it's not part of our lives, we're more than happy for our sons to learn about the religion and decide themselves if they want it to be a part of their lives.

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This paper extends the scanner-based choice literature by explicitly incorporating individual-level brand-preference data. We illustrate our model using a unique data set that combines survey and scanner data collected from the same individuals. The addition of individual-specific brand-preference information significantly improves fit and prediction. Furthermore, this "observed" heterogeneity better explains choice than does "unobserved" heterogeneity in the standard scanner model's parameters. More importantly, we find that the standard model underestimates the importance of consumers' brand preferences and overestimates both brand loyalties and price sensitivities. Brand loyalty is overestimated because models without preference information confound state dependence, heterogeneity, and preference effects. Price sensitivities are inflated because the "average" preference-based consumer is implicitly assumed to be more willing to switch from his preferred brand than is the "real" preference-based consumer. Further, standard models overestimate the heterogeneity in price and loyalty sensitivities and misidentify both price- and loyalty-sensitive consumers. The managerial implications of our findings and the applicability of our methodology when survey data are collected infrequently and for only a subsample of consumers are pursued. We demonstrate that even under these circumstances better populationwide pricing and promotion decisions are identified and more accurate targeting results.
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Finally made my way there for the tasty sandwiches. Sitiuated next to craft and craft bar this very nice place serves very interesting sandwiches. Now i heard that the sicilian tuna was good so i tried that. It was excellent. Nice size excellent bread every ingredient was perfect, even though i'm not a black olive fan i kept them in the sandwich anyway. It was $8.00 but worth it. I'll go back...real soon.
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Let me first say that I love Craft--I think Colicchio's approach to food is brilliant, but it simply does not transfer to this place. Paying $9.50 for panini that is, at best, mediocre is a waste of money. The chicken sandwich I had was simply lacking in flavor. The service is fairly efficient, considering that a good-size line forms around lunch time. As for the decor, it's rather hideous. You think they could hang a picture on the wall or something. They did get the air-conditioning fixed, so at least you're not sweltering.
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COLORADO SPRINGS — President Barack Obama relayed a message to the middle-class Thursday afternoon on a grassy quad at Colorado College, often times interrupted by chants of "Four more years! Four more years!" from the thousands in attendance.
"This election is a choice between two fundamentally different visions for how we move this country forward," said Obama to a crowd of about 4,200 gathered outside in temperatures in the mid-90s. "The direction you choose in November is going to affect not only us, but our kids and grand kids for decades to come."
At junctures early in Obama's 30-minute speech he reminisced back to 2008, sounding much like the candidate who ran on a platform of hope and change.
"Four years ago we came together to restore the basic bargain ... to restore the middle-class," Obama said."We understood it would take more than one year or one term." He noted that that goal came before the financial collapse made the task even more difficult.
Obama argued that in his first-term as president he has helped hard working middle-class families.
"For the last three and a half years we have worked to make sure this country doesn't slip into a Great Depression," said Obama. "And we've created four and a half million new jobs."
Christy Cech was laid off last year from her job as a medical representative, and came to Colorado College to hear Obama speak.
"Though I've been out of work, I still support the president," said Cech, who lives in Monument. "His vision will help us create more jobs, and I'm optimistic I'll find work with him in office."
It wasn't long before Obama charged that Republicans and presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney lack a plan that is in the best interests of middle-class families.
"My opponent wants to eliminate regulations on Wall Street banks ... regulations that keep our air and water clean," said Obama. "A big part of their plan is to cut taxes on the wealthiest of Americans."
Obama said that Romney believes that the right way to move the country forward is to go back to the "same top down economic policies that got us into this mess in the first place" — a statement that drew boos from the crowd standing shoulder-to-shoulder on Cutler quad near the center of campus.
"It didn't work then, it won't work now," Obama said, elevating his voice as the crowd grew more spirited and began to applaud and chant "Four more years! Four more years!"
Due to the high early-August temperatures, several people required medical attention as Obama spoke.
A report the Obama campaign released Thursday charges that here in Colorado under Romney's tax plan about 560,000 small business owners earning under $200,000 would face an average tax increase of more than $500.
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Four years ago, Obama received 40 percent of the vote here in El Paso County — one of the most conservative pockets of the state.
First-time voter, and CC junior, Sean Paraham sipped on water in the afternoon sun before the speech, waiting in anticipation of Obama's visit.
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For those of you who went, you are so LUCKY! Did you have the time of your life? Did you see any good panels? How about the Childrens Hospital panel where Adam Scott and Paul Scheer dropped in to ask some questions?
But, come on, the most exciting thing that you could have done was meet the Supers! (You know, of Save The Supers? Our newest show? Weren't you guys paying attention the other day?)
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2. Resident Evil took first place at the weekend box office. That's so interesting, because I'm pretty sure I've never actually met anyone who's seen ANY of the Resident Evil films. No one's ever excited to see the next one, no one ever says, "Hey, I finally saw that Resident Evil movie." No one. But they've made four. I'm pretty sure this means that the tons of people who pretend they don't buy Justin Bieber albums even though he sells zillions of albums must also pretend that they don't see these movies.
3. Childrens Hospital won an Emmy! Congrats to David Wain, Jon Stern, Rob Corddry and the whole CH crew for winning Outstanding Special Class: Short-Format Live-Action Entertainment Program! The whole list of winners at the Creative Emmys 2012 is here.
4. Robert Pattinson took Kristen Stewart back. Or he didn't, and gets to fly on private jets to promote Twilight while she's denigrated to first class. Or maybe no one actually knows.
5. The iPhone 5 pre-orders sold out in one day. Apple sold more than 2 million units of the iPhone 5 in 24 hours. In related news, "ButYouGotThatiPhone5Tho" was a trending topic on Twitter all weekend, indicating the various levels of ratchetness that people endure, while somehow still being able to afford the trendy device, which starts at $199.
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