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Game 11: Phillies at Nats
Apr 13, 2011, 7:07 PM EST
File photo by Mark Zuckerman / NATS INSIDER
The Nats try to take out Roy Halladay and the Phillies tonight.
The Nationals are riding a nice little wave of momentum right now, having won two straight and four of five, capped by last night's 7-4 triumph over the Phillies. Momentum, however, is only as good as your next day's starting pitcher, as they like to say. And tonight, the Phillies send one of the very best to the mound in Roy Halladay.
Last season, en route to the NL Cy Young Award, Halladay faced the Nationals three times. He went 3-0. With an 0.39 ERA. He allowed one run in 23 innings, striking out 20 while walking five. He was, to put it mildly, awesome.
Since you can't assume the Nats will pound Doc into submission tonight, you've got to figure their only hope is for a quality outing from John Lannan, who hasn't exactly enjoyed much success against the Phillies. In 11 career starts against them (including his big-league debut in 2007), Lannan is 0-8 with a 6.09 ERA. Daunting challenge, indeed.
I won't be at tonight's game — I'm helping cover Game 1 between the Caps and Rangers at Verizon Center for CSNwashington.com — but I'll be sure to post lineups when they're available. And as always, I hope you'll all continue the discussion among yourselves…
PHILLIES at NATIONALS
Where: Nationals Park
Gametime: 7:05 p.m.
TV: MASN2, ESPN2 (outside of D.C.)
Radio: WHFS (1580 AM), XM 185
Weather: Mostly cloudy, 56 degrees, Wind 12 mph LF to RF
SS Ian Desmond
CF Rick Ankiel
RF Jayson Werth
1B Adam LaRoche
- Pauloyd - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:10 PM
Ah the pros and cons of full-time employment.
- Feel Wood - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM
"I won't be at tonight's game — I'm helping cover Game 1 between the Caps and Rangers at Verizon Center"Ah, I see. You're the flagship Nationals correspondent of Nats Insider. Say hello to the flagship radio guys while you're there.
- DFL - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:21 PM
I'll be positive for once. Lannan pithces well for five, Nats score twice early, Riggs double-switches, relievers do their jobs, and the Nats win 3-2. Odds favor that Lannan pitches well and Halladay has a little hard luck.
- Jeeves - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM
In reference to the Ian Desmond discussion. Granted, he is having offensive problems at this point. However, he is still second on the team in total bases, and has more RBI's than most. He has made only one error, and Mark suggested, at the time, that it should have been called a hit.Last year, Desmond had an overall better offensive year than the majority of shortstops, arguably better than Jeter's year, or that of Rollins.He is a much better player than his negative detractors suggest.
- Peyton Dowdy - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:28 PM
Jeeves, the one that Mark referenced was reversed shortly after. He botched another play. Still not too shabby considering his pace last year.If Desmond sits out roughly 1 out of every 10 games and keeps this pace up he will only make about 16 errors on the year.
- NatsJack in Florida - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:31 PM
I like our chances to keep it close and, hopefully get into the Phillies bullpen. Even their fans are on to the fact that the bullpen has been lucky, so far.Lannan has looked lethal against lefthanders all spring and I was hoping we'd be able to get Gorzelany up against these guys, as well. I think they are susceptible to lefthanded pitching in general.I'll make this my last post for the day as I want to get my "game face" on for tonite's telecast.
- Grandstander - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM
A rematch of opening day last year, hopefully with better results. This is one of those games I want to see this "veteran winning attitude" come out. That's what I'm looking for. Guys who look like they're playing to win this, who believe they will win it.
- Anonymous - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM
H/T to Kilgore who appears to be more on top of things than many givehim credit for:Nationals1. Ian Desmond, SS2. Rick Ankiel, CF3. Jayson Werth, RF4. Adam LaRoche, 1B5. Laynce Nix, LF6. Danny Espinosa, 2B7. Jerry Hairston, 3B8. Ivan Rodriguez, C9. John Lannan, SPPhillies1. Shane Victorino, CF2. Placido Polanco, 3B3. Jimmy Rollins, SS4. Ryan Howard, 1B5. Ben Francisco, RF6. Raul Ibanez, LF7. Carlos Ruiz, C8. Wilson Valdez, 2B9. Roy Halladay, SP
- Rabbit - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM
That's the nice thing about sports. All prior results have no bearing on the outcome of the current game.
- Sunderland - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:53 PM
Feel Wood 3:16 – right on. Maybe that's why the concessions are poorly staffed at Nats Park? The flagship beer and dog vendors are at Verizon Center.
- Anonymous - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Kilgore does his job well enough, his proof-reader isn't always up to snuff though….
- Anonymous - Apr 13, 2011 at 7:58 PM
I'm a late goer, but I'm goin'. Go NATS!UNTERP
- A DC Wonk - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM
Jeeves wrote:"In reference to the Ian Desmond discussion. Granted, he is having offensive problems at this point. However, he is still second on the team in total bases, and has more RBI's than most."He leads the team in stolen bases while we're at it, too.And while his BA is .209, it's worth pointing out that Bryce Harper is batting .211 — the point being that: it's a bit early yet to be drawing conclusions from stats.(And other than Ramos and Zim, nobody is batting above .269! Thankfully, every starter (other than Gorz) has an ERA of under 3.70, and four relievers have an ERA of under 2.00)
- Anonymous - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:09 PM
Lannan doesn't make it through 4 … perhaps 3. Lannan replaced by Gaudin. Phillie's really go to town. Milone called up in time and Lannan traded … phewwwwww …
- Anonymous - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM
Zimmermann pitches and uses this game and this series as key one upon which to build. Nats win the series 2-1.
- Doc - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:20 PM
Desi is doing OK, in a lot of areas. Just needs to do some oppo boppo, and be careful about going after 1st pitches–he must have watched Guzman too much!The fielding, that was always rangy and inspired, has been more focused and considered. He finally took somebody's advice about charging rollers,instead of waiting for them to come to him. He's also not trying to throw to 1B, every ball he grabs.Still in all, Kid Desi has a lot of spunk!He and Espinosa are a great combo, and should get a lot better. Most teams would love to have their talent–both offensive and defensive.Gooooooooooooooooooo Nats!
- JD - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:23 PM
DC Wonk The more disturbing fact is that his OBP is .227; that my friend is unsustainable at the major league level let alone in the leadoff spot.If he walked once every 10 at bats his OBP would be around .320 which still very low but at least above replacement.
- A DC Wonk - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:29 PM
JD wrote: "The more disturbing fact is that his OBP is .227; that my friend is unsustainable at the major league level let alone in the leadoff spot."Yes, it is. I hear you on that. But my larger point is that I believe that his OBP will rise from .227 just like I have confidence that Bryce's BA will rise from .211The first-pitch swings, and lack of walks, are annoying, from a lead-off hitter — but, like others, I think he's pressing and still getting used to lead-off. I think he'll mellow out a bit. (I hope!)
- Scooter - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:34 PM
Actually, the most disturbing thing is that I'm pretty sure DC Wonk just used a high-school kid's showing in A ball to excuse a major-leaguer's performance. Land sakes! Stop that cart now, or the horse will never catch up.(By the way, Wonk, your actual point is entirely correct. It's the way you made it that's freaking me out.)
- JD - Apr 13, 2011 at 8:40 PM
All I,m saying is that he shouldn't be a leadoff hitter; that's all. Move him to no. 7 and let's see what he does over there. I want to see Werth come up with some runners on for a change.
- Anonymous - Apr 13, 2011 at 9:14 PM
Speaking of Harper, meanwhile, in his first at bat against Lexington and first rounder Foltynewicz Harper flies out to right field.
- carolync - Apr 13, 2011 at 9:29 PM
Stop arguing about Desmond! We're stuck with him!Think positive thoughts about tonight's game. He's a prideful young man and I bet he gets us some slap hit singles. Everyone please come out to the ballpark and help us drown out the Phillies fans.Go Nats!
- waddu eye no - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:07 PM
now that morgan's gone, i guess we have to have someone to argue about. why not desmond? go nats
- A DC Wonk - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM
Scooter wrote:"(By the way, Wonk, your actual point is entirely correct. It's the way you made it that's freaking me out.)"I can see that. But I know there are (or were) some folks here that were screaming that Bryce should have started the season with the Nats in the bigs — so I had to get my digs in there 😉
- Anonymous - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:46 PM
Harper gets another single he's 1 for 2 with a walk in the first game of scheduled a seven inning double header. Tomorrow back to nine.
- Natman - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:48 PM
Don't be so critical of Mark. He can't make every game and if you have to miss one, going to a Caps playoff game is not the worst thing to happen. As for Desmond, if this batting first makes him think about drawing a few walks I'm all for it. His approach is that he wants to make something happen. He just needs to let the pitcher throw him his pitch. But everyone seems to forget that he is a pretty talented ball player. He has a lot of range. He has some baseball instincts and he has a lot of hustle. He could use some seasoning, but the team cannot afford to have him do that in the minor leagues. Bashing him makes no sense to me. Bashing Dukes or Morgan or Bascik, or Nook Logan made sense. But Desmond could be a really good member on this team.
- Nataholic - Apr 13, 2011 at 10:55 PM
I am all for statistics but as a former statistician they are what you make of them. For instance, Matt Cains xFIP always sucks because although he gives up a lot of flyballs they don't become homeruns at the rate that the statistic would say it should be. Many over at Fangraphs say he will revert to the mean. Hogwash I say. Cain is the outlier in the formula. Similar to Lannan, his BABIP (except when he was struggling) was always quite low, Greg Maddux numbers in many instances. When he was struggling statisticians said he was reverting to the mean because he got lucky. Hogwash I say, because I've watched the Nats defense, unless he has a skill, a lot of balls were going to be in play regardless of who was behind him. What does that mean when dealing with someone who pulls out statistics? I say take them as a data point, but don't take them as a message from God. O.k., end rant.
- Anonymous - Apr 13, 2011 at 11:09 PM
I do not see the logic of sitting out hottest player (Ramos) for an over the hill bench player every other game (Pudge). He's ready. Stop this platoon stuff.
- Carl in 309 - Apr 13, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Wow–Desmond walked and stole second.
- Unkyd - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Desi's ears are burning! Just looked at six pitches, and WALKED!!
- bgib - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:04 AM
You cannot have your worst fielder playing shortstop, period.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:10 AM
Desmond is looking more and more like he isn't the long tem solution at SS. He's not hitting and he's a butcher in the field.
- sjm308 - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:26 AM
Wow: worst fielder and butcher in two posts in a row. Thank goodness neither is a talent evaluator/scout.You don't have to like him but he is not even close to being the worst defensive player on this team. The people that are paid to evaluate rave about his potential and I will trust them rather than the posters. Guess people have to have someone to crush on these blogs. Nyjer is gone, Guzman is gone, Millege is gone, so go ahead and crush Desmond because he defintely does not read this stuff.Go NatsGo Nats
- Unkyd - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:30 AM
Alright….. Desi is officially My Boy!! He's 25, in his second year up. I'm patting him on the back, win or lose, for the rest of the year. Fer Crissake… I'm only 51… I have time to watch a kid with that much upside get it sorted out..GOOOOO DESI !!!!!!!!!
- Wally - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:00 AM
Bryce Harper went yard tonight. 2 run homer.
- Tim - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:11 AM
Did anyone notice that LaRoche one-hopped a throw from first to third on that interference play on Desmond. He couldn't muster the strength. And he's the cutoff man on throws from RF. Hmmmm…
- Unkyd - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM
Um… Why not PH Ramos…?
- Wally - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:40 AM
Glad we kept Stairs on the roster. Geez.DO NOT LET PUDGE HIT
- Wally - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:42 AM
The ending to this game almost took away all the excitement of the beginning of the 9th. I am very, very disappointed that Riggs let Pudge hit there. Just no excuse with Ramos and Morse available. Has to be the 'don't embarrass the vet' thing.
- Unkyd - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:43 AM
Stairs….. ?
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:44 AM
Riggs you are an idiot. HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU NOT PINCH HIT RAMOS OVER PUDGE!!! I am officially joining the masses in disliking Riggs right now… >:(
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:44 AM
Such a brutal loss. According to MLB Gameday, Halladay got both sides of the plate and each batter's box as the strike zone in the 9th. Tough to beat the other team and a rookie plate umpire.
- SCNatsFan - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:46 AM
At what point does Matt Stairs show why he is on this roster.Both Pudge and Stairs look at strike 3. C'mon guys. I don't care if its Doc Holliday out there take a shot.I've always been a supporter of Desmond but I don't know of his fielding gets any better, and his instinct not to charge the runner on the gift groundball out was something pee wee shortstop could have handled. You just can't give a team like the Phillies so many free outs.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:48 AM
Great clutch hitting by Stairs and Pudge. Riggleman should be ashamed of himself for not batting Ramos for Pudge. Riggleman is a spineless dunce.
- Peyton Dowdy - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:55 AM
Oh give it a rest Anon 9:44 & 9:48. Pudge has a career .400 average against Halladay. That last at bat was a complete joke because of the homeplate ump calling to blatant balls strikes. Pudge, of all people, would know what the umps strike zone was all night and the ump completely changed it for the last 2 outs of the game.Also find it humorous you call him spineless dunce yet you post under an anonymous name so nobody can associate your individual posts with one person. Ironic much?
- FS - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:55 AM
I have no qualms with Riggleman's decision to let Pudge bat but I am shocked at how the two at bats went. What were the two veteran thinking? Three straight fastballs and neither took a hack. I would DFA Stairs before going to the post-game ceremony for that at bat. Maybe not that serious but watching those two at bats was painful, even if they were not perfect strikes. These kind of losses hurt the most.
- Unkyd - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:59 AM
We'll get 'em tomorrow!! GOOOOOOOO DESI!!!!!
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:01 AM
Pudge is hitting .400 vs halladay and Stairs was 10-26 with a hr.Can't fault Riggs for going with those numbers. The old men just didn'tCome thru vs a hall of camera and a new strike zone inThe 9th I wanted a w but like the fight go get em tomorrow Nats!
- LoveDaNats - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:13 AM
The Nats of last year would have rolled over and died in the 7th. It's nice to finally see some fire in the late innings. Yeah, we just almost came back in the bottom of the ninth against a Cy Young winner. The glass is half full.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:22 AM
Pudge is hitting .400 vs halladay and Stairs was 10-26 with a hr.And Wilson Ramos is hitting .450/.522/1.072 right now? At this point in the season he is their best hitter? And "double-switch" Riggleman is known for Double-switching all over the damned place? And HE HAS THREE CATCHERS now? THREE?And Ivan Rodriguez is hitting .211/.222/.433? Ostensibly Ramos + Flores is why they let Wil Nieves go? In the ninth inning when the heart of his lineup came through Riggleman gave up trying to win and decided to return to that tropic paradise aboard his tiny dugout …. he returned again to Giggleman's Isle.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:23 AM
Pudge, struck out in the ninth, and never swung at the ball. Embarrassing. With Ramos and Flores on the bench … Riggleman allowed that to happen. Unacceptable.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:26 AM
That last at bat was a complete joke because of the homeplate ump calling to blatant balls strikes. Pudge, of all people, would know what the umps strike zone was all night and the ump completely changed it for the last 2 outs of the game.@Peyton Dowdy,WRONG. When you are 0-2 you protect the plate. No matter how or why you got to 0-2. Did he protect the plate as any little leaguer is taught? If he didn't because he felt he knew the strike zone better than the ump? That is a serious problem.
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:37 AM
I am just at a lost at the lack of effort in the last two batters. Stairs acted totally uninterested in swinging the bat. Pudge decides he knows that the finally pitch is not a strike (and it wasn't but if the ump calls it you take the hear for taking it).The younger guys in the 9th didn't have a problem swinging the bat. If the old guys aren't interested bench them.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:51 AM
>>>The younger guys in the 9th didn't have a problem swinging the bat. If the old guys aren't interested bench them. <<<…or DFA 'em.
- Sec 3, My Sofa - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:52 AM
Well, at least Mark got a good game. Caps, 2-1 in OT
- SonnyG10 - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:56 AM
It was a great game against a great pitcher and a very good team. Other than not winning, my only disappointment was Matt Stairs not taking even one swing. That was painful to watch. The called strikes against Pudge were really poor calls, but he really needed to protect on that third strike.
- Scooter - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:57 AM
Man, that 9th inning was awesome. A nice rally, to make it close against the biggest of the big guys. I love that Halladay was left in, in a save situation, with over 110 pitches, even as he gave up a couple runs — now, that's old-fashioned country hardball!Wrong ending, of course, but sometimes a good team beats you.(And DC Wonk [from hours and hours ago]: thanks for explaining your thinking on Harper before. Your point was even more correct — and subtle — than I realized. Kudos to you.)
- Ernie - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:58 AM
I thought I saw Ramos in the on-deck circle while Pudge was batting. Was Riggleman planning to use him AFTER Pudge got on? I caught only a glimpse on TV and might be wrong. Did anyone at the game see if this is what was going on?I'm going tomorrow night. What are the chances we're competitive in all three games of the series?
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:08 AM
I liked the desire of the 9th inning don't get me wrong, but the last two batters simply weren't thinking about hitting, they were thinking about taking, and that is not how you attack Roy Halliday. You need your hitting shoes.The best pitch to hit when he is pitching is always the first, but it seems in today's game, most hitting coaches refuse to teach to be aggressive.The waiting against Halliday sure doesn't work, so maybe next time lets try something different
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:10 AM
Hey Ernie.We can win tomorrow night. I feel it.it's Ramos' game. to play (is this getting old).
- Grandstander - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:26 AM
I was shocked to see Pudge go out there. But I was more shocked he didn't offer at that 0-2 change. That first strike call should have told him the ump wanted Halladay to get a CG against the lowly Nats and he should swing at anything close. Especially on an 0-2 count. There's no reason not to just foul that pitch off and wait for the next one. Same goes for Stairs. It was obvious anything close to the plate was getting called at the point. How many fastballs can you look at?I don't really fault Riggs there, I fault the veteran bats who should've known better. That being said, still love to see it that close in the 9th. That went from a 2-hit shutout to a dramatic hold by the league's best pitcher. Great work by our "b" bullpen to keep it in striking distance. Great work from Lannan against a club he's been just beat to shit by. There's a lot of positives to draw from this game. I'm going into tomorrow sniffing a win personally.
- Whatsanattau - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:58 AM
Geez, the best pitcher in the game and you guys are busting on the batters and manager for their performance? The ump blew at least two pitches on Pudge. That last strike call was outside unhittable. And this hate on the veteran bench guys is getting old and it is misguided.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 5:18 AM
And this hate on the veteran bench guys is getting old and it is misguided.Clearly Pudge has completely lost it offensively or hitting-wise. He can't even come around anymore? He's 40 years old. Stairs is 43. Need one say more? Ramos is currently hitting .450 with a .522 OPP and an OPS well over 1.0. Did you see him in this game? I've seen Pudge double-switched in for Ramos late in games too many time already.Is this about winning games or about respecting veterans and the game? If its about winning then Riggleman DEFINITELY needs to go.
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 10:54 AM
I think what we are complaining about more is that in the last inning of the game we all have been coached to not take a close pitch when the count is 2 strikes. Most of us were mediocre players at best, and we understood this.We are talking about players who over years have proven they can hit, and they don't remember one of the first things we all were taught. Had they swung and missed, most of us would be disappointed, but not angry. Taking a called third strike in the last inning just goes against everything taught.
- dale - Apr 14, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Some of the old bench players are marginal at best. A playoff team could afford to carry one or two, but at some point production in the field has to outweigh sentiment. Striking out on called strikes when all that is needed is a single up the middle is not the sign of veteran leadership that is so often espoused. Nonetheless it is only April. Rizzo sees what we are all seeing and I presume that he is picturing a different team by June. We have witnessed other April rosters deconstructed in 45 to 60 days in the past.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 11:18 AM
DESI isn't so much a poor fielder as people think. It's much worse than that. This is what he is, a choker…As far as RIGGS is concerned, he's a wusp…UNTERP
- NatsJack in Florida - Apr 14, 2011 at 11:32 AM
There are several posters on this site that should be ashamed of themselves. To criticize the guys who took the best pitcher in baseball and a team considered to be the odds on favorite to win the NL title to the edge of defeat because an umpire became intimidated by Halliday and Manuel is ludicrous.I am proud of the way they fought back, overcoming Desmonds miscues, never giving in to the Phillies and their vociferous fans. I see good things in store for these guys. C'mon… there's 151 more games to play.
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM
NatsJack.I am guessing I am one who should be ashamed. My whole point is that from the time we were boys we were taught never to take a third strike in the last inning. If it is close enough to be called a strike , even when it is isn't you need just flick that away.I have no problem with Pudge playing at all, though Ramos is a better batter at this point, Pudge's primary contribution is behind the plate.I do not understand what Matt Stairs is about at all. Though both players took called third strikes, they are not equal contributors to the team. I know what Pudge's contribution is, I have no clue what Stairs is. No one sent out could contribute more?
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 11:52 AM
NatsJack in Florida said… There are several posters on this site that should be ashamed of themselves. All I have to say about your comment is that no one likes a good loser…UNTERP
- Anonymous8 - Apr 14, 2011 at 11:54 AM
Manassas Nats Fan said… I am just at a lost at the lack of effort in the last two batters. Stairs acted totally uninterested in swinging the bat. Pudge decides he knows that the finally pitch is not a strike (and it wasn't but if the ump calls it you take the hear for taking it).The younger guys in the 9th didn't have a problem swinging the bat. If the old guys aren't interested bench them. April 13, 2011 10:37 PM ____________________________________So far I have enjoyed all the offense,,,uh,,,,all the walks Stairs has generated. For all the people that have supported Stairs "In Case Of Emergency Use Stairs"….Last night was an emergency to use Stairs. The reason Rizzo got this Veteran. For just this moment and some others he has not got any hits. I way to steal a victory. 3-2 with 1 out and men on 1st and 2nd and all you need is a single to tie, a double to win or even a WALK to move both runners up.Strike one looking….ok, no problem….Strike 2 looking….strike 3 looking…..If you like meaningless walks, then Stairs is our guy. I said this a few days ago and caught crap because he has such a great OBP and was hoping to eat my words last night….nope, Stairs blew it.Congrats to Ankiel, Werth, Nix and Espinosa for one of the most exciting 9th innings in Nationals history. Sooooo close…..
- Gonats - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:08 PM
You know what NatsJack, any critic of that Stairs at-bat if they called it like they see'd it shouldn't be ashamed. Stairs is the one who should be ashamed.Looking at 2 strikes OK, but looking at STRIKE 3 with a chance to put the ball in play!We have been told by his supporters that he is a SPECIALIST. A one-dimensional pinch-hitting game-changer.Last night was his spot to silence all the critics and he FROZE!I feel sorry for Stairs and the guy holding the Stairs sign in the crowd and all of NatsTown. That was the moment. I was so hoping I was wrong about this guy.
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Hobbs, your up…Come on Hobbs your up! Alright Hobbs knock the cover off the ball…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkgRwpkh7c UNTERP
- NatsJack in Florida - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Look… I was never in favor of keeping Stairs on this roster. Just check the last few posts prior to opening day. But he's on the team and they've identified a role for him and, so far, he hasn't produced. I was just as baffled at his at bat in the 9th as everybody else but to jump Riggleman for using him is absurd. And Pudge wasn't much better but the history against Halliday, especially a tiring Halliday is hard to overlook. Yes, I would prefer Ramos in that spot but, again, to slam Riggleman for the decision is absurd.
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:16 PM
GoGnatsYour point is what I am trying to say. You can't just look at 3 strikes, with a runner on second with 1 out. We were told this was his specialty and so far when he has had a chance to produce he hasn't, and last night was the worst of all not swinging at one pitch. Today is another day, and you are only as good as your last at bat, so tonight he can atone for his lack of effort last night by producing a run tonight.
- Andrew - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:21 PM
NatsJack in Florida said… There are several posters on this site that should be ashamed of themselves. To criticize the guys who took the best pitcher in baseball and a team considered to be the odds on favorite to win the NL title to the edge of defeat because an umpire became intimidated by Halliday and Manuel is ludicrous.I am proud of the way they fought back, overcoming Desmonds miscues, never giving in to the Phillies and their vociferous fans. I see good things in store for these guys. C'mon… there's 151 more games to play. April 14, 2011 7:32 AM ____________________________________Overcoming Desmond's miscues? The game is filled with miscues and missed opportunities and no one person lost this game.You should be ASHAMED of yourself for even making young Desmond's miscues part of the discussion.Desmond for his part smoked a ball to 3rd base that ended up fielded, drew a walk, helped turn 2 Double Plays and unfortunately was called for an obstruction which resulted in an error but Rollins would have been at 3rd regardless.The fielding error was costly for a run but so were Lannan's walks, Hairston's 3 Strikeouts going 0-3, Pudge's 0-4 with 2 strikeouts, and others.
- Gonats - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM
Desmond was the ONLY right handed batter that Halladay didn't strike out.I thought he played a decent game. Errors happen. We didn't even see the obstruction. Goes down as 2 errors on the night for him.Many of us have anger, just direct it in the right place and Ramos pinch-hitting as a RH batter probably wouldn't have done better and of course we will never know.
- Unkyd - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM
I couldnt watch this one, but if the strike zone was as wide as described here, in the ninth, would whiffs at pitches that far off the plate have garnered similar cries of rage, here? sounds like Cy Halliday was simply gifted by the ump. maybe, if Zimm has 15 wins in August, he'll get props, as well.?
- Peyton Dowdy - Apr 14, 2011 at 12:56 PM
Can anybody explain to me why Desmond got an error for obstruction last night but Chipper Jones didn't the 2nd game of the season when he obstructed Jayson Werth? There is absolutely no difference in the plays yet they were scored differently.
- Mark'd - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM
Typical umpiring in a Phil-Nats encounter. Still doesn't excuse StAirs. If ever I imagined a batter taking a boxers dive, that is what it looked like.
- Big Cat - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:02 PM
We lost 3-2 to the best pitcher in baseball. I will take that. Desmond will be fine. He is young and athletic. Him and Espi are gonna be here for 10 years. Let the weather warm up a little. All those Latin guys hate the cold weather. Thought the pitch to Pudge was WAY outside. Another play at first where the guy was out and was called safe. No respect for our Nats. The umps know that its Sad Man in our dugout.Zim gonna shut em down today, with Clip and Storen closing it out. We take 2 of 3 from the Phils. Life is good!!
- Peyton Dowdy - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Unkyd, I watched about half the game in total. Missed the 6th, 7th and 8th. I will say the pitches that were called strikes to Stairs and Pudge in the bottom of the 9th (and several other pitches during the game) were definitely not given to John Lannan at all. Lannan made a handful of solid pitches that were called balls that Halladay would have gotten. I don't understand how an umpire gives a pitcher strikes based on his reputation but it happens all the time throughout baseball and it should be a serious issue. A strike is a strike, a ball is a ball yet the umpires are an inconsistent group with their strike zones. How can someone interpret the zone in so many different ways. It should be the same game in and game out but it isn't. Some have high zones, some of them have low zones, some give the inside, some the out. Joe Torre needs to get them all on the same page.The umpiring thus far this season (not just in Nats games mind you) makes it harder for me to enjoy the game. If they can consistently blow calls across the game they need to do what the NFL did and institute a challenge system for replay. Each manager gets 1 challenge a game. That wouldn't slow the games down but so much. It still allows the human element to the game but if a crucial mistake is made there is a chance to correct it. Just have someone in the press box to view the replay and make the correct call.
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM
I was wondering why Desmond got an error and Chipper Jones didn't too. Maybe Mark can ask the official scorer for us.
- fpcsteve - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:33 PM
I didn't get to folow the game last night,so this is just an observation. But from the boxscore it looks like the pitching was solid, maybe even good enough to win. Nice game from Lannan. Only two earned runs. I hope that trend continues.
- Sec 3, My Sofa - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:34 PM
Or do what the NHL does, and have a central office to review replays.If you're going that way.
- Peyton Dowdy - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:38 PM
I'd be fine with that too Sec 3. I just remember watching the Angels and Yankees in the playoffs a few years back and being disgusted back then by the umpiring and it hasn't gotten any better. Something needs to happen because it is creating a bit of an unlevel playing field. Just again last night Laynce Nix was safe on his grounder but was called out. That would have put 2 men on base with no outs which is a big deal against Halladay. Same old story though, I'm beating a dead horse.
- Sec 3, My Sofa - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:39 PM
M.Natsfan, on an Interference call, the fielder involved is charged with an error, by rule; it is not up to the scorer.
- Sec 3, My Sofa - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM
Nix was out. Replay wouldn't have helped.
- Jim Webster - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:43 PM
My seat, directly below the press box, is precisely above and behind the plate so I can see outside and inside pitches clearly (less certain about high and low). Not to take anything away from a very good pitcher, but Halladay was given the widest strike zone I can ever recall.
- Stranded_in_Philly - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:44 PM
Last night made me wonder if Stairs forgot, just for a night, which team he plays for this year.
- Steve M. - Apr 14, 2011 at 1:52 PM
I am changing Stairs to Stares….are you freaking kidding me!He looked like a kid in Little League who doesn't take his bat off of his shoulder. We called them statues at the plate.Not only did he make himself look bad but Rizzo too. Veteran leadership, veteran, veteran, veteran. Isn't this the perfect situation he was brought here for?I said it in Spring Training, you keep Nix as Stares is too one dimensional as you don't have the luxury to keep them both.
- JD - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM
No sense complaining about the umpires. It's been that way for 100 years. Maddox and Glavine spent their entire career 6 – 8 inches outside and always got the calls.
- Big Cat - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:11 PM
Loved how Lannan busted Howard in on his hands. Even though he hit him and it cost us a run, it sends a message. That guy has been killing us for years. he dives in across the plate and hits the outside pitch into the seats. I hope Zim goes in on him too……way in! If you get a little flesh…..or bone……so what.
- Steve M. - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM
Anonymous8 said… Congrats to Ankiel, Werth, Nix and Espinosa for one of the most exciting 9th innings in Nationals history. Sooooo close…..April 14, 2011 7:54 AM When it counted the most, those guys stepped up. Like many, I am thinking PH Ramos but he is a Rookie and Pudge actually has a decent record against Halladay. I would have left Pudge in as Riggleman did unless I had another LH bat on the bench. Pudge hit the furthest ball on his previous at-bat almost to the warning track.It was a great game actually and felt like a Playoff game. Both pitchers did well and helped themselves get out of jams. The hope was to get Halladay out early and into the bullpen which of course didn't happen.Zim had that walk-off winner last year off of Lidge which was amazing but this would have eclipsed it if the Nats found a way to come back against Halladay.To see how pumped up Werth was in the 9th after scoring and then to get "Stares" in there to pinch hit was set up perfectly for a story book ending….It wasn't meant to be, but oh so close!
- PAY TO PLAY - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:20 PM
JD said… No sense complaining about the umpires. It's been that way for 100 years. Maddox and Glavine spent their entire career 6 – 8 inches outside and always got the calls. April 14, 2011 10:01 AM ___________________________________Yes, but we can still complain and it still won't matter. Until the Nats start getting the calls in their favor, our fans will still complain and have every right to just like Pudge did on his strike 3 call.Between Halladay quick(er) pitching Stairs and Pudge to the ump acting like he had to a hot date he was late for, I don't blame anyone for being pissed but with that said, Stairs and Pudge should have stepped out after Strike 1 to slow things down. Both are veterans and looked like they were unprepared Rookies so maybe Ramos would have done better!
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Time to send Stairs packing, how anyone could just stand there and take 3 strikes with the tying run on 2nd doesn't belong on the team. Bring up someone with heart that wants to play the game
- NatsJack in Florida - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Steve M. …. my earlier post on "being ashamed" was directed at the Riggleman bashers for using the tools he was given. Just yesterday, he was lauded for his manuevers because they worked and today is was labeled by several as an idiot because they didn't.And I'm pretty sure Stairs is being reconsidered by Rizzo as an "asset" by now.
- JD - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:30 PM
I am in complete agreement with NatsJack; this was a real good game for us. The pitching matchup and our current wounded lineup looked like a sure loss but Lannan was great and the team battled all the way to within 1 hit; I have no complaints.
- Steve M. - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:34 PM
NatsJack, I didn't mention you in my posts but I think your thoughts back in Spring Training was with mine on Stairs from the start and I agree with your comments above. You can only deal the hand you have been dealt and last night I would have done the same except for bring in Broderick which oddly worked.I can't remember my exact configuration now at the end of ST, but I had Bernadina and Nix "in" and AGonzalez "in" and Cora and Stairs "out".I wouldn't be surprised if we hear Stairs is injured so he can go on the DL and never be heard from again. I don't agree with Anon @10:22am as I know Stairs has heart but can't explain what happened. It was the Perfect Storm for Stairs to be in that situation and "shut me up". Man, did I want to be proved wrong. I was praying as he stepped in.
- Unkyd - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Thanks, Peyton! And, I feel ya, re: consistant calls. The Jordan Rules exist in all sports, and to me, its indefensible. I get that the zone will look a little different to different umps, on different days, but the pitchers should know what it looks like, after the first inning. Anf if Halliday or Lee or Lincicum, or any other studs are sportsmen, they'll want to dominate on a level playing field, as opposed to these kinds of gifts…. And Torre absolutely needs to stand up about this. On another note, however, I was struck, over the weekend, at a close safe call at first, at the quality of super slo-mo we grt on TV! We take for granted the well defined view we get, perhaps forgetting how fast things are moving down there. So, I'm cutting Blue some slack on those, from now on….
- JD - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:40 PM
I don't agree with NatsJack about Stairs. Rizzo wanted someone coming off the bench who has the potential to go deep every time. I have no doubt that during the year he will get a big hit 4 or 5 times which will justify his presence. Pinch hitters fail more often than not; this is reality and better hitters than Stairs have struck out looking in game situations; I'm sure he came up looking for something specific to drive, never got his pitch and couldn't pull the trigger; this happens all the time and it's not a tragedy. Rizzo made a strong point last night that he purposely filled the roster with veterans who teach, lead and run the club house and he specifically complimented Cora, Hairston and Stairs for their leadership.
- Sec3MySofa - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:48 PM
JD, the fact that Texas sent Cora a ring after he almost literally was there for just a cup of coffee (a week? less?) speaks to that leadership, I think. I liked keeping Stairs, if they had a spot, but man, that was one ugly AB.
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:51 PM
The game was excellent, and was there for the taking. That is improvement for sure.As for the widest strike Zone ever I thought Lavan's rookie year when he recorded 15 K's for the Marlins and Eric Gregg's strike zone was at least 10-12 inches to the outside was the widest I ever saw.It seems to me that calling a strike should be the easiest call for an umpire, but in reality it is by far what is the least consistent for them. If the Kinetic Strike Zone (or whatever MASN calls it is correct, then the average ball and strike umpire is right about 90-95% accurate, but on close ones about 60% accurate. Seems like it should be easy enough to get that number closer to 100% Stars do seem to get the calls much more than rookies, (that is true in all sports) and it makes for bad officiating.)I would love for the umpires to have to stand the scrutiny of the press like players do every night. Interview them just like players. Ask them why did the strike zone widen in the 9th inning after 1 out. Show them the video tape to back the question. Have them explain themselves. They are never held accountable. IF they were they would probably do a better job. If I was commissioner that would probably be the part of the sport I would try to fix first. Consistently good umpiring would make the game better and more popular.
- Steve M. - Apr 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM
JD, I respectfully disagree with you. Stairs has made little contact so far and all of his walks have been meaningless in the outcome. His 3 strikeouts of his 6 official ABs is what really hurts. Nix has done the job so far better than these other so called veterans and I will say what I said last week about the grouping of Coffey, Stairs, Hairston and Cora in this veteran group, they all combined as a bad signing.Werth is your veteran leadership, Ankiel is your veteran leadership, Pudge is your veteran leadership, Nix is your veteran leadership.You can't clog up the system with an abundance of over-the-hill players. Sure, every once in a while Hairston will come through or maybe even Stairs, but you can't all of a sudden try to change the culture here with an "overkill" of veterans.
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Sec 3, My Sofa said… M.Natsfan, on an Interference call, the fielder involved is charged with an error, by rule; it is not up to the scorer._______________________________________Apparently the interference rule is similar to the strike zone rule.I went back to check on the interference on Chipper Jones, to see if he was given an error. HE WAS NOT. Thus my question is again valid, why was Desmond given and error and Jones not. Same play.
- PAY TO PLAY - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:09 PM
JD said… Pinch hitters fail more often than not; this is reality and better hitters than Stairs have struck out looking in game situations; I'm sure he came up looking for something specific to drive, never got his pitch and couldn't pull the trigger; this happens all the time and it's not a tragedy.There is nobody in the game with over 100 ABs that has hit safely more times than not so anyone less than .500 by definition fails more than not but making up excuses for Stairs is not going to make me feel better.That was the precise situation he was brought here for and even a walk in that situation would have been ok. I wasn't expecting a HR, just some contact or even a walk. Anything but a strikeout or a double play. Has to make contact and if he can move up the runners with a walk to give Pudge bases loaded with 1 out where a Sac Fly scores the lead runner then it would be great.None of it happened and outside of a double play, a 3 pitch K was tough to watch from the man in the situation with the pitcher on the ropes.
- Steve M. - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:24 PM
In the off-season, Rizzo self-proclaimed a #1 starter as priority #1.I said after he failed to accomplish that priority that fixing the bench had to be priority #2.Rizzo makes trading Willingham and Alberto Gonzalez and Nyjer for unproven talent a success. I guess we have to see what the trade yields but in the short run as I called it before it is a Rizzo FAIL.Overpaying for Werth and being the last man standing on LaRoche (with shoulder problems no less) are not VICTORIES. The Yankees built half their empire on being the highest bidder and nobody thinks Cashman is a genius.Rizzo couldn't even build a bench this off-season with an open wallet. While Ankiel is a decent stop-gap, he didn't get Nyjer's replacement in place in the off-season and along with everything else I mentioned is a huge FAIL then add what I have called the Ryan Zimmerman injury debacle, this is terrible.The good news is that Rizzo has been rewarded by a better than expected starting rotation that has saved him from disaster so far and the irony is that he was purportedly trying to trade away JZim, Espi, and Storen for Greinke who would have been on the Nats DL if that trade was done.Oh and by the way, all of those that wanted Francisco Liriano, he is 0-3 with a 9.65 ERA and Garza is 0-1 with a 5.68 ERA!Like I said before, some times the best trades you make are the ones you don't make…
- Manassas Nats Fan - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Pay to play…A K didn't bother me as much as a 3 pitch K where the bat wasn't even moved. Great players have struck out, but in the situation to K without bothering to swing, I believe was the point that made most people mad.However I am a very forgiving guy. If he comes up tonight I will cheer for him to do well. I would hate to see him come up and take 3 strikes again, I believe the crowd would go nuts for sure.
- Steve M. - Apr 14, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Nats' best vs. Halladay — Ivan Rodriguez (14-for-35, 3 2B, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 6 K), Matt Stairs (10-for-26, 2B, HR, 4 RBI, 2 BB, 3 K).Nats' worst vs. Halladay — Michael Morse (0-for-6, K), Jerry Hairston (2-for-22, 2 BB, 4 K), Alex Cora (3-for-25, HR, 2 RBI, BB, 3 K), Adam LaRoche (1-for-7, 2 K).Why was Jerry Hairston in there, because Cora is even worse. LaRoche now is 3 for 11 against Halladay but look who "was" the best. Stairs and Pudge. Pudge was batting .400 (before the game) which was the best of any RH hitter against Halladay with more than 25 ABs so Riggleman had the right guys in there with Stairs then Pudge in that crucial 9th inning.The Stairs situation to step into the game like I said was the perfect situation. Halladay just gave up 2 runs and 4 hits in the 9th. The perfect leftie/rightie matchup too.Couldn't be scripted better. Stairs had a .384 BA and a .429 OBP which rank among the best of any hitter against Halladay since Pudge's BA dropped to .368 with his previous 0-3. This will make all the naysayers like me shut my mouth and buy into why the 25th spot on the roster went to Stares….NOT
- Anonymous - Apr 14, 2011 at 4:12 PM
it's just one game…
- Peyton Dowdy - Apr 14, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Sec 3, Interference and Obstruction are two separate calls. But like Manasas said, Chipper was NOT given an error but Desmond was. Seems strange to me when they were pretty much the exact same play. Both players were called for obstruction. So somewhere there is a break down in the scoring.I thoguht MASNs replay showed that Nix and the throw arrived at the same time, which as far as I know the tie goes to the runner. Oh well, like I said earlier, it is beating a dead horse because nothing is ever going to change while Bud Selig is the commissioner.
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Eric Longden
Posted 02 June 2010 - 09:58
According to Boddy, he raced at Brooklands with some success in 1922 and 1923 and the picture below shows the car at the Southsea Speed Trials in 1923. Motorsport published an article under their occasional 'Fragments on Forgotten Makes' series in April 1972. This was penned by one Brian Finglass, who as a lad was apprenticed to the Longden Car Co, but whose name no longer appears in any of the membership lists I possess, so presumably if he had any heirs and successors they are not similarly afflicted!!
I started collecting bits for a reconstruction project nearly twenty years ago and now have the bones of a car, but wondered if any TNF'r could assist with a back axle, radiator or any other parts lurking in a shed somewhere, or just any other information relating to this interesting fellow...
Posted 05 June 2010 - 21:46
Posted 06 June 2010 - 00:12
Posted 06 June 2010 - 00:53
David Manson, Sydney.
Posted 06 June 2010 - 01:14
Posted 06 June 2010 - 08:44
Maybe the jockey link is a mix-up?
Edited by ReWind, 06 June 2010 - 08:53.
Posted 06 June 2010 - 09:48
The "theatrical impresario" bit is mysterious too. If that was the case I'd expect to find some reference to him in The Times, but in the whole of the period 1900-85 there are just 18 references to "Eric Longden". One can be ignored as it refers to a Mancunian involved in an Alpine climbing accident in 1962 and thirteen of the remainder refer to the cars in advertisements. There is one Motor Show reference and three Brooklands reports: in all three of those, the Eric Longden car is stated to have been driven by Eric Longden and he is always referred to as the entrant as well.
Anyone familiar with Brooklands results will know that drivers were normally listed only by initials, but as a driver "Eric Longden" always appears just as "Eric Longden": no other initial. In one result he is listed alongside "HK Moir" - who would normally be shown as "H Kensington Moir" and in another with the aforesaid Gordon England - who is shown as "EC Gordon England".
I think this may point to "Eric Longden" actually being a nom de course for someone connected with the Air Navigation and Engineering Company. (Not sure if it's your typo or Karslake's, John, but that should be Addlestone!)
Edited by Vitesse2, 06 June 2010 - 10:04.
Posted 06 June 2010 - 13:40
The car manufacture started at his theatrical agency premises which was on a cul de sac off Charing Cross Road where Foyles Bookshop is now located, which was a two storey building not exactly ideal for making cars. The finished vehicles had to be lowered to the ground on a winched platform, and at least one finished car fell off en route to the ground, its intending owner looking on in dismay! At least so the story goes!! It would be hard to make up such a story...
The Air Navigation and Engineering Co of Addlestone also made the Bleriot Whippet, and I suspect took over the manufacture of the EL car when EL found his manufacturing arrangements impractical (understatement!!). The show edition of Light Car and Cyclecar dated November 2, 1923 lists them as being on one stand, whereas the earlier roadtests in both LC&C and The Auto Motor Journal (both published in August 1922) make no mention of such a tie-up.
Edited by Marticelli, 28 April 2011 - 20:44.
Posted 11 November 2010 - 20:56
'Then there was the Eric Longden - pretty snappy affair with an all aluminium body. Longden raced it at Brooklands, but making cyclecars didn't pay. The last I heard of him was that he was tea planting in Ceylon.'
I know it is a long shot but there can't have been many Australians growing tea in Ceylon before the war and it may be another lead to tracing his family.
Does this ring any bells with TNFrs??
Posted 10 January 2011 - 21:49
Maybe TNFrs might fill in some gaps as he competed with a Type 35 Bugatti in the 30s and also owned a Type 55, and also helped ERA with engine development. He was Chief Engineers for WO Bentley's V12 Lagonda, and although he ended his days back in aero engines, he considered himself a car man first and foremost.
I imagine some descendent cherishes an old album containing pictures of Tresilian's racing exploits which would make a worthy discovery for TNF!!
Marticelli, ever the optimist!
Posted 10 March 2012 - 23:01
I may get permission to show them here, but in the meantime, the captions on two of the images raise further queries. One says 'ST - Eric Longden - Acceleration Trials Six Mile Bottom'. What can TNFrs tell me about this venue? Being only a few miles east of Cambridge, it cannot be described as a hillclimb as there is no hill just a gentle incline as far as one can see.
The second says 'ST + EL, Whiteley, April 1924'. Google has Whiteley just north of the present M27, north of Titchfield. Apparently D-Day troops sheltered in the woods around Whiteley but I can find no reference to a motorsport venue there. The land rises gently so again not much of a hillclimb as far as one can judge. Suggestions anyone?
I remain an optimist!
Edited by Marticelli, 11 March 2012 - 23:00.
Posted 15 March 2012 - 13:10
As I said earlier, ever the optimist!
Edited by Marticelli, 15 March 2012 - 13:11.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:06
Maybe the grey matter will be stimulated enough for someone out there to tell us more about these venues... Ever the optimist!!
ST and EL at Whiteley...
ST and EL again, venue unknown... Note front shock absorbers and bonnet strap not fitted above, also hat and horn!
ST and EL at Six Mile Bottom
Edited by Marticelli, 16 March 2012 - 12:44.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 14:21
Posted 16 March 2012 - 16:13
The "theatrical impresario" bit is mysterious too.
The 1911 census has-
34 Cowbridge Road, Cardiff
Eric LONGDEN 27 Music Hall Manager (Palace Theatre), born Melbourne Victoria
also living there was a widowed "cousin"
Margaret Grant WELSH 25 born Glasgow
Posted 16 March 2012 - 16:19
31 Nightingale Lane, Streatham
Edward W LONGDEN 44 Mining Engineer, Melbourne
FlorenceM 40 Tasmania
Eric E 17 Melbourne
Vera A 16 Melbourne
Mervyn I 11 Geelong
Arthur J ROYD 26 Actor Vocalist, Melbourne
By the time of 1911 census, Vera was married to
Robert George LEE 35 Motor Engineer (Gramophone Manufacturer), Paddington
living at "Brooklands", Darley Road, Harlington, Middx
The LONGDEN family were at a boarding house in Hove in 1891 census, father Edward was a Mine Proprietor.
Edited by Geoff E, 16 March 2012 - 19:26.
Posted 26 March 2012 - 15:02
Surprised no-one has responded re Eric Longden and his fine cyclecar. Here is a rear view of the car taken at Brooklands in 1922, in case this jogs a memory for some elderly TNF'r...! Shows clearly the rear axle I am looking for... Mine was pinched for a P3 recreation!!
I have the same photo at a much better resolution over here.
It's actually from the 1923 JCC 200 Mile Race.
Some more of his cars here.
Good luck with the car!
Posted 30 September 2012 - 14:47
On page 188 of the September 1944 issue, in an article called "War-Time Motoring in Three Continents" there is a passing reference to the author having seen a "3½ litre Bentley owned by Eric Longden, a Johannesburg businessman who took part in British events in the 1920s". This appears to have been in late 1942 or early 1943. Perhaps tea planting in Ceylon didn't work out?
Posted 30 September 2012 - 15:09
I used to think that delegating a research task to others would only reveal a narrow field of information, as serendipity sometimes strikes when researching one subject and another crops up. But Vitesse2 has proved his serendipititiousness (is this a word?) knows few bounds...!
PS For those with an interest in such things, steady progress is being made with both projects, helped greatly by the construction of a new large timber garage and the recent discovery of a huge cache of BSF and Whit fasteners new old stock from a local motor factors business which is being redeveloped...
Posted 01 October 2012 - 23:04
"The Eric-Longden was the car Longden used for Brooklands short handicaps, and a standard job. The engine, a water-cooled push-rod o.h.v. J.A.P., was set across the chassis and had an Amal carburetter and M.L. magneto. The centrally-controlled 3-speed gearbox was throroughly run-in before being fitted, and various back-axle ratios were experimented with. Home-devised shock absorbers, looking like Hartfords, were used and the wire wheels had most ingenious locking hub caps. The radiator had a slightly V aspect, the body was very simple, and the rims carried 28 in. by 3 in. studded Hutchinson tyres."
I rarely refer to that book these days, so it was a pleasure to have a reason to revisit it. I bought it as a schoolboy in the early fifties from a second-hand bookshop. It was one of my first motor racing books, so I treasure it above most others in my collection. I paid the princely sum of 2/6d for it, that's 12½p to anyone who has the misfortune to have been born after 1971. I've never really got the hang of this new-fangled funny-money with 100 pees to the pound. Really, a HUNDRED! Life was so simple when there were a mere 24 farthings to a tanner, just 5 tanners to a half crown and only 8 half crowns to a quid. For proctologists and people who ran B & Bs it was even better, just 21 bob to a guinea.
Pity Jenson Button. In comparison Eric Longden had it easy.
Posted 02 October 2012 - 00:03
'My' Eric Longden has an aircooled Blackburne sidevalve engine (an option favoured by some including the Bleriot Whippet, its sister car) and 26" x 2 1/2" beaded edge tyres, like the ones fitted to the Tresilian car pictured in post #13 above. The larger 28" x 3" tyres seem to have been fitted to Chunky Chunky at first but later replaced with the smaller tyres, one suspects to lower the height of the car and improve stability in turns. The sales literature lists the 11HP Coventry Simplex-engined EL as having 26" x 3", and the Super Sports 9HP V twin JAP engined car as having Palmer Racing Cord 29" x 3 1/2" tyres but none of the photos I have seen appear to show these.
Posted 02 October 2012 - 20:30
Posted 03 October 2012 - 21:38
Not really - painting "Hutchinson" in authentic script on anything black and round of about the right size will fool most of the people most of the time. And if you're really clever you could grind or cut off the real maker's name and fool all of them most of the time (or should that be most of them all of the time)
You are going to have a job finding authentic Hutchinson tyres!
Anyway, I hope the reconstruction continues to go well.
Posted 04 October 2012 - 22:20
Geoff's census research implies that Eric Longden was born in Melbourne in 1884. Vitesse2 "had a hunt through the National Library of Australia newspaper archive and found references to him riding in Australia in the late 1940s". He would have been in his sixties at that time, which, although not impossible, seems rather unlikely.
In the 1972 MotorSport article, Brian Finglass wrote that "My father was a close friend of.…Eric Langden who was, at one time, a well-known steeplechase jockey….and had sustained a bad fall whilst racing in Australia, which left him with a permanent limp and…finished his career as a jockey."
Brian Finglass only knew Longden for a year or so in the early twenties and it is clear from his text that the incident took place prior to their meeting, i.e. before 1921. Also, the comment that the fall finished his career as a jockey means that he could not have made a come-back in the 1940s.
Returning to Geoff's British census data, in 1901 Eric's younger brother Mervyn was 11 having been born in Geelong, Australia in 1890. It follows that the family must have left Australia between 1890 and 1900, when Eric was between 6 and 16 years of age. So, before the age of 16, it seems that he had become "a well-known steeplechase jockey….and had sustained a bad fall whilst racing in Australia."
In summary, Eric Langden must have had his fall when he was either in his sixties or in his early teens. Neither seems to make sense. So what's wrong?
Posted 04 October 2012 - 23:07
Some time in the 1890s the family, which had probably been living in Geelong, pulled up their roots and left Australia, where they had all been born, and set off for a new life in England. In the 1901 census Edward described himself as a "mining engineer". So where did he choose to find work? In Hove, Sussex, of all places.
Ten years later he had presumably realised his mistake and moved to Streatham , the Ruhrgebiet of South London. However he was now no longer a mere engineer, but had become a 'Mine Proprietor'.
Perhaps, as the owner of the mine he no longer had to live in close proximity to it in Hove.
All very strange.
Posted 05 October 2012 - 00:01
By 1911 Eric's sister Vera had become married to Robert Lee and the pair were living in Harlington Middlesex. Robert was 35 years of age and Eric was 27, so the two brothers-in-law may have been friends.
Locke-King's track at Weybridge had opened to great fanfares in 1907, so what did Robert choose to call his house for its postal designation? "Brooklands", of course. Now it's possible that the name was derived from a small stream which happened to run past the house, but I think that's a long shot. Instead, we can assume that Robert was a racing enthusiast and named his property accordingly.
Besides, Harlington is only 10 miles from Weybridge, so it would have been easy for him to visit the track by car or even on a bicycle as the area is completely flat. And we can further conjecture that Eric Longden accompanied him on some of these visits and that's what kindled his interest in racing.
However there is a problem with this. Eric was living in Cardiff at the time!
Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:09
I'd been musing on that too, Tony. In fact, the entire Longden family appears on the 1891 census as well. In Hove, where they are all listed as "boarders" at the establishment of John Darbyshire at 1 Wilbury Rd. So young Eric left Australia some time shortly after the birth of his brother Mervyn Irvine Longden in 1890.
Returning to Geoff's British census data, in 1901 Eric's younger brother Mervyn was 11 having been born in Geelong, Australia in 1890. It follows that the family must have left Australia between 1890 and 1900, when Eric was between 6 and 16 years of age. So, before the age of 16, it seems that he had become "a well-known steeplechase jockey….and had sustained a bad fall whilst racing in Australia."
In summary, Eric Langden must have had his fall when he was either in his sixties or in his early teens. Neither seems to make sense. So what's wrong?
The name Longden seems to be not unknown in Geelong, since in 1875 there was a trial involving a Captain Duncan Longden - possibly Eric's grandfather? - regarding a forged promissory note for £110: he was acquitted. However, Eric's father Edward seems to have operated his gold mining business out of Melbourne and had been to Britain at least once before - there's a record of Mr & Mrs Longden and family returning from Plymouth in October 1888.
Eric's brother Mervyn served in the Royal West Kent regiment in the Great War, rising to the rank of captain. There's a note on his army records from about 1920 that all correspondence should be sent c/o Standard Bank of South Africa at Potchefstroom. So we perhaps have another (or the same? ) South African - and gold mining? - connection ...
As for Eric's father - he filed for bankruptcy in London in June 1902.
So I supect the "jockey" story is - frankly - hogwash. Probably not intentional, but - to quote The Bard slightly out of context:
"Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages ..."
Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:46
His answer was succinct. "Briefly, people seem to be forgetting the limitations of census "data" - heads of household were (are) responsible for supplying info about themselves and the people in their families, and it's unsurprising that an Australian who might have had a dubious past holed up in a Hove boarding house would describe himself as a mining engineer." He also pointed out that census data is essentially a snapshot of one day in a life, so visitors to a house are recorded as such and might appear to be somewhere they were only at for that one night!
He has ended by offering to take a look at the data himself, so I await his considered view with interest and will report back in due course, while the car itself is really starting to become nearer a reality, albeit a replica, but a fairly faithful one with luck and a following wind.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:30
More seriously, my "gold mining" references came from the Australian Trove newspaper archive - Eric's father seems to have been a man of some substance and standing in Melbourne in the 1880s.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:10
"I supect the "jockey" story is - frankly - hogwash."
I completely agree. He couldn't possibly have been a well-known steeplechase jockey in Australia before the family moved to England. He was simply too young.
No doubt Eric Longden did have a limp. One can easily imagine him kidding a young and impressionable apprentice, Brian Finglass, that it was the result of a fall during a race. Much more heroic than saying he'd had it since birth or that it was the result of falling of a ladder in Penge.
This story was repeated by Michael Worthington-Williams in an article in The Automobile of May 1996. This is not meant as a criticism of M W-W, it is simply proof that prior to this thread, Finglass was almost the only source of information about Longden. And even that only dealt with a small fragment of Longden's life. Finglass moved to France after the 200 mile race, which spelled the end of their relationship, which had probably lasted no more than a year and a half.
We know so little about the rest of his life, which is why the census data provided by Geoff and the diligent research of Richard are so important.
Marticell's comments about the limitations of census data are completely valid. Yes, the family might have been on holiday at that boarding house in Hove on the day of the Census. But without the Census data, we would still believe that Eric Longden was a well-known steeplechase jockey.
As we try to piece together the life of Eric Longden, we have to use whatever information is availble. While accepting the limitations of census data, it is still a vital part of the overall picture.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:59
Yes, the family might have been on holiday at that boarding house in Hove on the day of the Census
... and they liked the town so much they were still there in 1901 ... or they took another holiday at the end of March, this time renting a whole house.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:21
Digging into BT phone books reveals two Eric Longdens at 122 Shaftesbury Avenue from 1919 to 1922 and also at Walter House, Strand from 1919 to 1921. Possibly one and the same - he's also at the Shaftesbury Avenue address in the 1922 electoral roll, along with several other people including a Walter Bentley (not WO!) who features in a dissolved theatrical agency partnership from that address in 1923. So this would seem to be our man.
There is also a Mrs Eric Longden in Paignton in 1928 only.
An Eric Longden also features in the Manchester phone book between 1977 and 1982, but there are several Eric Longdens in Lancashire marriage records.
What strikes me as odd is that Mervyn Longden never apparently returned to the UK from South Africa. However, we have an Eric Longden returning at least three times in six years - but this chap is actually Mervyn's age. So did Mervyn somehow acquire Eric's identity while retaining his own birth date? Does this explain how a theatrical agent suddenly becomes an engineer and racing driver? Looking again at Mervyn's army record he served first in the Army Service Corps before transferring to the Kents.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 19:36
Another company - Eric Longden and Hussey Ltd - was dissolved in 1931. Longden & Hussey, described as automobile engineers, are in the phone book at Empire House, Thurloe Place, SW7. But only in 1926.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 22:45
This is pehaps the most perplexing part of the story. In 1911 Eric Longden was the Music Hall Manager of the Palace Theatre in Cardiff and ten years later he had progressed to running a Theatrical Agency in London's Theatre district. Then suddenly, apparently out of the blue, he started manufacturing cars under his own name. Not only that, but the 'factory' was in in one of the most unlikely places imagineable. Just off Charing Cross Road. What a strange and amazing turn of events.
But there are two known links between the Theatrical Agent and the Car Manufacturer The first is that his brother-in-law went so far as to name his house "Brooklands" and the second is Brian Finglass' statement that Eric Longden "started racing Dot motorcycles and spent a great deal of time at Brooklands." It can be of no coincidence that the Eric-Longden cyclecars had as much in common with motorbikes as they did with regular cars.
So it seems reasonable to conclude that an interest in motorbikes, the lure of Brooklands and probably an aptitude for engineering, which he may have inherited from his father, facilitated the transition from theatrical agent to car manufacturer.
It is clear where his heart lay, for as Richard has discovered, his theatrical business was dissolved in 1923, only two years after he began to produce cars.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 23:12
I think you've misinterpreted what I wrote, Tony. The dissolved partnership was between a Mr Bentley, a Mr Hatter and a Mr Rolls (you couldn't really make these coincidences up, could you?) There seem to have been several businesses at 122 Shaftesbury Avenue, including an accountant. But being in the heart of Theatreland, I suspect most of the rest were something to do with the stage.
It is clear where his heart lay, for as Richard has discovered, his theatrical business was dissolved in 1923, only two years after he began to produce cars.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 23:42
Why is "Eric Longden" the only driver name given in full?
Posted 07 October 2012 - 00:16
Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:14
I just did a quick newspaper search and discovered a jockey wanting to ride in Australia in 1950 and he was an American called John Eric Longden.
One of the most famous jockeys - Johnny Longden - I'd no idea his middle name was Eric though. http://en.wikipedia..../Johnny_Longden
He was never a steeplechase jockey.
Posted 07 October 2012 - 15:43
So you haven't followed the link in post # 6...
Johnny Longden - I'd no idea his middle name was Eric though.
Posted 07 October 2012 - 17:00
So you haven't followed the link in post # 6...
I rather think I dismissed him immediately (as he was too young) and gave him no further thought.
Although JEL had just turned 4 at the time of the 1911 census, his father said he was aged 5.
Edited by Geoff E, 07 October 2012 - 17:04.
Posted 07 October 2012 - 22:32
It certainly can't have been to prevent confusion between Eric Longden the man and Eric-Longden the car.
Maybe it was his way of publicising his cars. Of course the Brooklands authorities would have charged him an arm and a leg for the priviledge.
No, that can't be right, Bernie wasn't around in those days.
If the use of his first name was connected in some way with his car, there is a way of testing the hypothesis.
In each of the three cuttings supplied by Richard he was driving an Eric-Longden. However, at the 1921 Easter meeting on March 28, Eric Longden drove a Morgan in the Easter Cyclecar Handicap finishing second. On that occasion did the newspapers refer to him as E.Longden or Eric Longden. He also took part in a number of motorcycle races at Brooklands, where the same question would apply.
Did they only use his first name when he drove a car of the same name?
[quote Catalina Park] " I just did a quick newspaper search and discovered a jockey wanting to ride in Australia in 1950 and he was an American called John Eric Longden."
If he was the same Eric Longden as our hero, he would have been 66 years of age!
It seems unlikely, but again there is a means of testing the hypothesis.
Did he have a limp???
Posted 08 October 2012 - 06:42
Other Brooklands results:
Bemsee meeting Apr 10 1920: Mrs E Longden, riding J Emerson's ABC, won the Victory Handicap.
Bemsee meeting Nov 5 1921: E Longden, riding a Coulson, second in a 500cc handicap
JCC meeting Apr 29 1922: Eric Longden as posted above
Bemsee meeting May 6 1922: "E Longden crashed badly from his machine after it caught fire and had to be removed to hospital."
BARC meeting Apr 2 1923: Eric Longden as posted above.
BARC meeting May 21 1923: Eric Longden as posted above.
In the preview for the 1920 Junior TT "E Longden" is listed as riding a Dot. I have an old TT history book which records only that a Dot was in the entry list: no rider or result given. However, on the Official TT website we can find E Longden in three Junior TTs:
1914 on a Douglas (DNF)
1920 on a DOT (5th)
1921 on a Coulson (DNF)
So maybe he got the limp falling from his "fiery steed" on May 6th 1922?
Posted 08 October 2012 - 06:45
Posted 08 October 2012 - 16:07
a. He was referred to by his initial when he rode bikes. Yes, up to 1920, but after that he was sometimes 'E', sometimes Eric.
b. He was referred to as Eric once he started to race his own car, the Eric-Longden. Mostly, but not always. In May 1922 they reverted to 'E'.
It would still be interesting to see what they called him in his Morgan race in March 1921 – does anyone have access to the Motor, Light Car or Autocar? – but I fear that we have to accept a lack of consistency on the part of the Brooklands officials. And still no obvious reason why he alone was referred to by his first name.
The reference to Mrs Eric Longden is interesting. It simply can't be a coincidence that a Mrs Eric Longden was racing a motorbike at Brooklands at the same time that a Mr Eric Longden was doing the same thing. They must have been husband and wife. I wonder if she was Margaret Walsh, the mysterious young widowed 'cousin' he was 'living with' in Cardiff in 1911. Maybe Geoff can shed some further light on this from later census data.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 17:06
Again, this is a notable thing, since WB doesn't otherwise normally deal in first names - or even initials. For example:
The 1,100cc event eventually attracted a field of 15 cars and drivers comprised of Nash, Godfrey and Pickett (GN); Benoist, Devaux and Bueno (Salmson); Ware, Martin and Hawkes (Morgan); Taylor (AV); Eric Longden (Eric-Longden); Peaty (Bleriot-Whippet); Tollady and Pressland (Crouch); and Marchant (KRC).
But he does always talk about Gordon England and Kensington Moir. In general he only uses a first name or initial where he feels there might be confusion - between the various Bruces for example.
Incidentally, Longden also apparently raced a "very sedate" near-standard Fiat Eight at least twice in 1926 - in the JCC 200 and at the August meeting.
Posted 16 October 2012 - 20:59
As a result a complete change of direction is needed. The spotlight has to be switched from Eric Longden to a different subject, Eric-Longden.
Even prior to the move to Addlestone, production of V-twins may have given way to 4-cylinder side valve engines, the cars having a wheelbase of just over 8 feet and a toal length of 10'6". The various writers on the subject agree that no further V-twins were made after the move.
The original Charing Cross Road premises would have been more suitable for a bookstore than for manufacturing cars. In comparison, the Air Navigation & Engineering factory must have seemed immense. It had cost £75,000 to build, which was a very large sum of money in those days, and the equipment which it contained probably cost as much again. The absorption of Eric-Longden production was of benefit to everyone concerned. The plant had surplus capacity with its Bleriot Whippets and Eric badly needed single-storey premises.
Paraphrasing Michael Worthington-Williams, Coventry-Simplex engines of 1,272 cc powered the 11hp standard Sports Touring and 2/3 seater saloon. Alpha engines rated at 9hp and with a capacity of 1,088cc powered the Super Sports model. This car was rather special, as it was fitted with an Amac racing carburretor, Palmer racing cord tyres, a special camshaft, a rev counter, Hartford shock absorbers and a speedometer, but no self starter (in the interests of weight reduction). It was guaranteed to do 75mph. The whole body was finished in turned aluminium.
A Frenchman, Norbert Chereau, was the manager of the whole plant and it is not clear how much day-to-day influence was exerted by Eric Longden. Sadly, the Air, Navigation & Engineering company went into liqidation in 1927, following which production of both Bleriot and Eric-Longden cars ceased and the factory was sold for a small proportion of its original cost. Bill Boddy said that it was still in existence in 1963. Is it still there?
Posted 16 October 2012 - 21:42
Longden was described as "Mr E Longden" at that Easter meeting, in both the entry list and the results.
I have some scans of other Longden-related stuff, but you'll have to wait a couple of days for it.
Posted 17 October 2012 - 20:49
I Googled Addlestone today and of course its just up the road from Brooklands, more or less due north. I spoke to the proprietor of Addlestone Garage, which has had premises in the middle of the village for a long time but not as far back as we are dealing with here. He said the largest factory site in the are was south towards Brooklands, and was occupied by the Weymann coachbuilding business. This of course originated in Paris, but the company really got into its stride in the late 20s, so maybe they occupied the building which had been originally ANEC's factory. I can see no trace of any such building in the area today, but maybe there is a TNFr out there who knows the area and can confirm this... I am as I have said before, an eternal optimist!!
The Air Navigation & Engineering factory must have seemed immense. It had cost £75,000 to build, which was a very large sum of money in those days, and the equipment which it contained probably cost as much again.
Incidentally the engine of the Eric Longden is now 6" from where I am typing this...
Posted 17 October 2012 - 21:25
Eric-Longden article from The Motor Nov 7th 1945:
From the Motor Show issues of The Motor and The Autocar. Even more addresses!
Thinkpad T61 Martin?
Posted 17 October 2012 - 21:57
T61 as in Birdcage? A humble T60 I'm afraid... They didn't seem to do a T37A, T51 or T59 either! Still running good ol' XP which I can understand...
Thinkpad T61 Martin?
And surely shome mishtake, this Eric-Cambell stuff??... IMHO, the E-C is as ugly as the E-L is pretty, which is after all where this all started...

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Dimensions of the Riedel Chardonnay / Chablis Wine Glass:Height: 7-3/4" Capacity: 12-3/8 oz
The Riedel Vinum Chardonnay / Chablis Wine Glass is recommended for:Albario, Barsac, Bordeaux (white), Burgundy (white), Chardonnay, Chenin Blanc, Condrieu, Hermitage Blanc, Marsanne, Pinot Blanc, Pinot Gris, Sauternes, Sauvignon Blanc (Barrique), Viognier.
Riedel Model Number of the Riedel Vinum Chardonnay / Chablis: # 7416/5
Item Name: Riedel Vinum Chardonnay / Chablis Stemware Set of 6 + 2 Free (Set of 8)
Item #: 741605
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