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"Visiting the man with the iron mask" Île Sainte-Marguerite by chbuchie
Île Sainte-Marguerite Travel Guide: 22 reviews and 41 photos
The "Iles de Lérins" is a small archipelago just off the coast of Cannes and part of the commune of Cannes. This archipelago consists of the island of Sainte-Marguerite and Saint-Honorat
Both islands can be reached by boat in respectively 30min and 15min. To preserve the nature, both islands are pedestrian-only; no motor vehicles are allowed.
Feel free to have a look at my other VT Page on Ile Saint-Honorat , which is the smaller, further, island, an additional 15 minutes by boat from the ferry landing of Sainte-Marguerite. Although small, the walks are still nice, and there's the Cisterian abbey to visit, which includes a gift shop of locally produced products.
Between the islands is a shallow, protected passage, the "Plateau du Milieu", a popular anchor point for the pleasure boats of the region.
Ile Sainte-Marguerite is the larger, and nearer, island, with fertile soil and magnificent trees, notably Aleppo pinesis and eucalyptus, also wide paths criss-crossing the length and breadth. The port area, where the ferry lands, has cafés and restaurants, Its castle 'le Fort Royal' is well known as the man in the "iron mask" was imprisoned here.
This is a nice place to chill out for a day, with a lovely nature scene as u can walk around at your leisure in about 2hours.
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just like on St Honorat, the coastline is marvellous with trees covering the better part of the island right up until... more travel advice
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Well done on this nice page ;-)
Love you pictures. The water is so clear... Have a happy birthday!
Really like your Ile Sainte-Marguerite Page. Well done! Been there myself and just loved hanging out at the beach underneath the trees looking over to Ile St. Honorat.
a very informative page, christian :) thanks for sharing and drop by in my main page! really appreciate it. ps: gorgeous opening picture in your main page. salute :)
One of the hidden gems of the Côte d'Azur. I love those small places. Brings back many good memories.
Nice and helpfull page. I have been here myself 2 years ago and it really is worthwhile to visit both the islands (Marguerite and Honarat). Groeten van Simone, Haarlem
i'v been in Cannea an Cote d'Azur many times, last one in 2003 with my motorbike going to Barcellona!...mnext time I wont to retourn in Cassis to see again the Calanches.
It's just so great that such (unknown) beauty excists just outside such commercial town as Cannes. Groetjes uit Arnhem, Paul
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By: Krissi Khokhobashvili, Placer Herald and Press Tribune editor
Parents left with more questions than answers
Families are still reeling after Horizon Charter Schools announced last week that it plans to discontinue its K-8 Accelerated Learning Academy program.
"I was shocked, but then I wasn't shocked, because this is just the same type of behavior that they have been doing the entire time," said Carol Repetti, former president of the ALA Parent-Teacher Organization and vice-chair of the focus group that had formed to find a new school site.
Horizon closed its 391-student third-through-eighth-grade ALA and high school Rocklin Academy of Math, Science and Engineering site on Technology Way in October, citing safety issues with traffic at the site. Horizon later hired an attorney to look into the terms of its lease, which the attorney said was administered by the firm GroupAccess and to his knowledge did not address attendance limits at the school that were part of Horizon's business license for the site.
According to the terms of the license issued for the Horizon Distance Resource Learning center in 2011, daily attendance was limited to 75 students at any one time and no more than 200 students on site throughout the day.
After the closure, students had the option of an independent study program, with "virtual learning" programs via the Internet and face-to-face sessions with teachers.
The group formed almost immediately after the site closure, as parents banded together to work with Horizon and its CEO, Craig Heimbichner, to find a new site. Several were looked at, according to parent and former chair of the site-search focus group Debbie Spray, including the Maidu Center in Roseville, but all were turned down.
Horizon announced in early November that, due to a bleak funding situation compounded by the fact that Horizon still pays $18,000 per month for the Technology Way site, a new facility was not an option at this time.
Most recently, according to Repetti and Spray, the Harvest Ridge Cooperative Charter School in Newcastle was discussing forming an arm of its school to absorb the ALA students with no change in staffing, site or curriculum, but last week's announcement has put a damper on those plans.
"The Horizon administration has tried to sustain a commitment to the program during necessary changes while watching enrollment trends and receiving feedback from the parent community and teachers," reads the statement, signed by "Horizon Administration."
"Horizon provided virtual learning training for ALA teachers, met and worked with parents and sought a new facility. Finally, after recent ALA community messages were delivered to the administration and/or publicly posted, it became clear that the program in its current form is largely unwelcome to the community upon whose support the program itself depends."
The ALA program will be discontinued effective Dec. 21, the announcement said, and will include ending the K-2 classes in Lincoln.
Janet Sutton, Harvest Ridge director, did not comment on the ongoing discussions with ALA parents, as nothing has been finalized or even gone through boards or councils yet.
Spray agreed that the virtual learning model was not what the ALA parents signed up for.
"We signed up for the dynamic program," she said. "There have been kids who have left ALA and they are now in the local public schools and they are bored."
Repetti's sixth-grade daughters have been using the virtual learning model, she said, but they are on the waiting list for Western Sierra Collegiate Academy, as is Spray's eighth-grade daughter.
"The problem that's happening now is they're getting a lot of just basic, tedious work to do," Repetti said. "And the problem is that some of it is just second nature to them. They can just do it to be done with it. Other subjects they're definitely struggling with, because they don't have a teacher to actually teach them."
Repetti also has a kindergartner at ALA in Lincoln who now faces the same challenges. Another option, Repetti said, is to look into public schools.
Heimbichner did not return requests for comment for this story, and Repetti explained that Horizon's administration has largely kept mum in regard to questions from parents, as well.
"Time and time again I have asked them, 'You've moved us to this model. What monies do we have left over if I need to get my child some tutoring or I need to get into something athletic?' I have never once gotten an answer. They just ignore the question."
Those concerns have to do with Average Daily Attendance monies, paid by the government for each child who attends school.
"I truly believe that they are saying, 'Well, you're still ALA, so all of your money still goes into this program,'" she said. "Which makes no sense, because there is no program."
RAMSE parent Shannon Rice said her children, who are in 10th grade and college, benefited from the project-based learning offered at charter schools, as opposed to traditional teaching in public schools.
And as a parent who has homeschooled her children, she added, parents need more than just a few days to prepare for home-based learning.
"When I went into homeschool, I knew what I was getting into," she said. "I was prepared to get the schoolbooks, to make my own lesson plans."
"They sent us home with no tools," Spray said.
Parents who choose to keep their children in Horizon will use the independent study program, the announcement said. Each student will be assigned a former ALA teacher as a supervising teacher, should those teachers choose to remain with Horizon.
"I think that Craig Heimbichner is in over his head," Spray said. "I don't think he knows what he's doing. He has overpromised and underdelivered time and time again."

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My favorites broaden almost daily...I love Burda WOF for the up-to-date styling and the details. I like Vogue, because I do think they have a more sophisticated overall look than some others. And recently, I'm becoming more and more impressed with Simplicity; it seems they are paying attention to the customer base and giving us more offerings that fit our needs and wants.
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I love Louis Cutting's Cutting Line Designs, because of the great instructions, and they fit me with very few alterations. I tend to buy a lot of Butterick's - always have, I guess something about them appeals to me. Lately I've had good luck with Simplicity and Burda so I'll be looking for more of those.
I like Burda WOF best I think. I love the design details and I find the patterns go together really well. I also like New Look and, like Clare, i sew quite a few Prima magazine patterns. Vogue patterns are quite expensive here in the UK so I have never really sewn any.
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- 1 Protection?
- 2 Number of Chinese in South America is VERY QUESTIONABLE
- 3 Chinese in Cuba are less than 300
- 4 No Mao Zedong
- 5 Infobox: Notable people representing Han
- 6 Pictures
- 7 Overseas Chinese
- 8 Religion
- 9 Ethnicity or Panethnicity?
- 10 % of total world population
- 11 Total population
- 12 Current day Han Chinese identity
- 13 Reliable source for DNA section
- 14 Religion section of Infobox
- 15 Han Chinese subgroups
- 16 Request for a "subgroups of han chinese" section
- 17 Other uses of the character "Han"
- 18 Better Bruce Lee Picture
- 19 Population by country
- 20 Contributions to humanity
- 21 Genetics
- 22 Historical Migration of Northern Han to Southern China
- 23 alternate names
- 24 Millet-Rice Sinitic expansion from north to south
- 25 Qing dynasty Aisin Gioro Y chromosome DNA found in several ethnic minorities but not found in Han Chinese
- 26 DNA section biased
- 27 Possible copyright problem
- 28 Problems with the title
- 29 infobox image problem
- 30 Ancient DNA Reveals That the Genetic Structure of the Northern Han Chinese Was Shaped Prior to 3,000 Years Ago
- 31 External links modified
Caucasian race article is protected, and the article is shorter than Han Chinese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian
Number of Chinese in South America is VERY QUESTIONABLE[edit]
Anyone from that region can shed some light on it?
- I'm not from there, but having lived in Brazil for several years I can estimate the number is correct. I lived in a small city of approximately more than 100,000 people. While most "Asians" I knew (or knew of) who lived there were 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation Japanese - at least several thousand including ones who were mixed with another Ethnicity like Italian or Portuguese. To my knowledge, I had one young student whose family moved there for work from Peru who was ethnically Chinese and trilingual (Mandarin, Portuguese and Spanish). Later I saw an ad for a local dentist.Her last name was Wang. Now a small family and one doctor are totally anecdotal, but if we estimate AT LEAST 5 people in a town of roughly 100 thousand people, we can easily extrapolate the numbers given as a portion of the total population of Brazil (around 180 ~ 190 million if I recall correctly). Japanese are the dominant ethnic group from Asia with around 1 million in São Paulo metro area alone. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:32, 21 March 2015 (UTC)Tom in South Florida
Chinese in Cuba are less than 300[edit]
Please fix it, ffs. Proofs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwAHYxE59_I and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVEOMLWllEY
No Mao Zedong[edit]
travesty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzz41 (talk • contribs) 10:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
- Obviously the English version is run by white washed Chinese cunts and White thrash. They don't even know what are: "Unification" and "Nuclear Power (WMD)". Check out the Chinese version, Mao Zedong picture is there.
Infobox: Notable people representing Han[edit]
I've updated the infobox with a mosaic of notable Chinese Han. The previous pictures mainly focused on Han people that have lived/are living in the 20th and 21st centuries, which obviously isn't an accurate representation of the entire history of the Han ethnic group. It's also much more cleaner looking than the previous mess of pictures. The following are rationales for the inclusion of each picture, and what they represent:
- Chien-Shiung Wu: Representing Modern Chinese science
- Du Fu: Representing Chinese poetry
- Sun Yat-Sen: Representing China in the early 20th century
- Deng Xiao Ping: Representing modern China
- Confucius: Representing Confucianism in Chinese philosophy
- Sun Tzu: Representing Chinese warfare
- Laozi: Representing Daoism in Chinese philosophy
- Cao Xueqin: Representing Chinese literature
- Xuan Zang: Representing ancient Chinese science
- Tang Taizong: Representing Imperial China
- Tsung-Dao Lee: Representing Modern Chinese science, as well as Taiwanese Han Chinese and American Han Chinese
- Sima Qian: Representing Chinese historiography
- Han Wu Di: Representing Ancient China
- Xuan Zang: Representing Buddhism in China
- Cai Lun: Representing Chinese inventions
- Qin Shi Huang: Representing the Warring States Period and the unification of China
Any objections? Due to PRC/Taiwan political issues, I deliberately avoided Chiang Kai-Shek and Mao Zedong.--Hongkongresident (talk) 01:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- I like the historical and cross-disciplinary balance, but can't but notice that 11/12 of the figures are men. Quigley (talk) 20:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- That's an unfortune artifact of a society that has been largely patriarchal for most of its history. The same can be seen with other historically patriarchal societies: the image for the article on French People, which has 4 women for 27 men, the article on German People, which has 2 women for 25 men, and the article on Greeks, which has no women. I think there could be a way to incorporate more women, like the Empress Dowager Cixi to represent the Qing Dynasty, but I wouldn't be sure who to replace. This is a tough problem, suggestions? --Hongkongresident (talk) 23:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- What about Wu Zetian? and also can you rearrange the placement? Leaders on 1st row, philosophers on 2nd row, and others categorized in 3rd and 4t row? And for each row do it chronologized order (eg. Qin Shihuang, HanWudi, Tangtaizong, Sun yatsen).--LLTimes (talk) 00:17, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm hesitant about Wu Zetian, her reign is too close to Tang Taizong's. However, I do want to see one of the Soong Sisters represented, perhaps Soong May Ling for Taiwanese Han Chinese. But, I'm against ordering it chronologically or by field. It goes against precedence, and nullifies one of the aims of the infobox picture, to compare and contrast notable Han from different time periods and different fields.--Hongkongresident (talk) 00:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Li Qingzhao, famous female Chinese poet, could be included. Would represent Song Dynasty poetry.--Hongkongresident (talk) 01:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- What about Wu Zetian? and also can you rearrange the placement? Leaders on 1st row, philosophers on 2nd row, and others categorized in 3rd and 4t row? And for each row do it chronologized order (eg. Qin Shihuang, HanWudi, Tangtaizong, Sun yatsen).--LLTimes (talk) 00:17, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- That's an unfortune artifact of a society that has been largely patriarchal for most of its history. The same can be seen with other historically patriarchal societies: the image for the article on French People, which has 4 women for 27 men, the article on German People, which has 2 women for 25 men, and the article on Greeks, which has no women. I think there could be a way to incorporate more women, like the Empress Dowager Cixi to represent the Qing Dynasty, but I wouldn't be sure who to replace. This is a tough problem, suggestions? --Hongkongresident (talk) 23:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
- Planning on expanding it to a 5x5 to include more entries. That leaves 9 open entries. --Hongkongresident (talk) 01:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- So far leaning towards: Yang Liwei (space travel), Empress Dowager Cixi (Qing dynasty), Lee Kuan Yew (Singaporean Chinese), Li Qingzhao (Song poetry), Shing-Tung Yau (mathematics), Soong May Ling (Taiwanese Chinese), Qiu Jin (modern Chinese literature), and Lai Man-Wai (Chinese cinema pioneer). Of these, Qiu Jin, Cixi, Li Qingzhao and Soong May Ling are women, which would up the count to 5.--Hongkongresident (talk) 01:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Collage has been changed. There are now 6 women, and better quality pictures. --Hongkongresident (talk) 04:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- Empress Dowager Cixi was a Manchu, not a Han.Дунгане (talk) 17:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, thankfully I remembered to look her up before I started the collage, since I wasn't sure about her heritage (other than that she was an Empress of the Manchhu Qing Dynasty, but that didn't necessarily mean she wasn't Han). Didn't add her in, so there's nothing to worry about. --Hongkongresident (talk) 04:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would like to nominate some westerners who are of Han Chinese ancestry for consideration, like Yo-Yo Ma or Stephen Chu. →⚙量
zhu(talk·contribs) 19:59, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
- Don't forget Su Shi. He may be the most well-known poet through the whole Chinese history.Besides,he is a notable artist, calligrapher, pharmacologist...-- A rare universal genius.--Kuanyui (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Needs more northern chinese. Liu Bei, Guan Yu, Zhuge Liang, Zhang Zuolin, Zhang Xueliang, Yuan Shikai, Lizicheng???? Almost all everyone in the collage is a southern chinese.
Upon looking at the pictures of the selected Notable Han Chinese, I cannot deny that Jiang Qing(江青) is definetely a notable one. But what the hell, why don't you include Qin Hui(秦桧) as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 09:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Overseas Chinese[edit]
Are we counting all Overseas Chinese as Han? I'm pretty sure the U.S. Census, for instance, only counts "Chinese" as an ethnicity and doesn't distinguish among ethnic groups from China. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:37, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Someone should clarify this, as the values stated on this article are quite different to those on (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversea_Chinese). On that page the term "Overseas Chinese" refers to those of Han Chinese ethnicity living outside of China, or more broadly. For example in this article it is stated that there are 296,623 Han Chinese in the UK, whilst on the (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oversea_Chinese), the number is 500,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kreutznaer (talk • contribs) 09:26, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Despite this section containing much positive writing about religious harmony and tolerance, etc. I see no mention of Falun Gong. Curious. Henners91 (talk) 14:23, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Why should a cult that have only been around for 20 years warrant a mention on an article dealing with the Chinese people? There have been many other cult/religious movements in Chinese history that have been far more important and impactful and yet they rightly receive no mention. Why should Falun Gong recieve special treatment? You an initiate of FLG perhaps? AnAimlessRoad (talk) 23:38, 25 March 2012 (UTC) Falun Gong is noteworthy today, just like if you were to talk about Christianity denominations, you wouldn't dismiss sects like Seventh Day Adventists or Mormons, they would still at least get a mention, no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:11, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Ethnicity or Panethnicity?[edit]
Maybe it should be more clear that there are many groups within Han, and by some measures do not constitute a single group — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:35, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Some groups like Hakka were dismissed historically as Han, even though they migrated from traditional Han areas of north China (proper) like Shandong to southern provinces like Fujian, however there customs like round houses are pretty endemic to them. Therefore, does that mean historically southerners were not Han?
Also some Han people in the Gansu and Ningxia regions have traits perhaps inherited from the Tungut, like larger noses and eyes, their ethnic appearance is vastly different to those of the eastern provinces. When Empires like the Tangut or dynasties collapses, the people and their genes, don't all just vanish overnight. There is a lot of inter-mingling with conquered people, be it even through forced coercion (rape). Also the Hui, are consider a different ethnic group, when sometimes 'Hui people' are just Han who practise Islam, a Hui person from Gansu, will have nothing perhaps in common ethnically with a Hui from Xiamen. This is when ethnicity and religion get confused with ethnic-religious groups like Jews.
Obviously Han people must have a lot of genetic influences assimilated considering the vast terrain inhabited by them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
What about those that have a multi-ethnic background? In the PRC, you have to be classified in a box for your ethnicity. Some children may have parents that have 2 or more backgrounds, yet they can only tick one box for identity? This kinda pigeonholing rationale is the norm in China. Some Han parents may choose a non-Han category at birth just to gain better social benefits for the child, like added points on their gaokao score or the ability for the child have more more of their own offspring as minorities are exempt from the one-child ruling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
% of total world population[edit]
The side bar states: 1,310,158,851 19.73% of global human population
Currently there are 7,013,903,621 humans (http://www.census.gov/population/popclockworld.html), this would mean that Chinese are 18.68% of the global human population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kreutznaer (talk • contribs) 09:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Total population[edit]
The side bar states: total population: 1,310,158,851.
Where does this figure come from? If you take the sum of the values that are stated on the page you get 1,279,516,635. So where's the extra 30,642,216 from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kreutznaer (talk • contribs) 09:20, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Current day Han Chinese identity[edit]
Are you actually suggesting that the people who currently identify themselves as Han are genetically the same as the original people of the Han River area? This is like calling all European Americans "Anglo." The Anglos were a Germanic tribe who contributed the principal material to the English language. Many cultures and peoples have been subsumed or intermarried into the dominant Han culture over the centuries. This is how empires are consolidated; you convince all of the conquered people that they share a common identity. i think that this point should be clarified. If 92% of the current population of China is Han, how the heck did the Han reproduce so abundantly while all of the other tribes and cultures of this VAST country simply disappeared? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- "There is considerable genetic, linguistic, cultural, and social diversity among the subgroups of the Han, mainly due to thousands of years of immigration and assimilation of various regional ethnicities and tribes within China.[12]" ButOnMethItIs (talk) 05:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- Can someones elaborate on this a bit I was confused by the genetics section. On one hand someone described in detail the male pattern migrations, and on the other, out of nowhere some one post "there is little geographic-genetic dispersion from north to south". How much geneticly are chinese composed of assimilated population & how much are of the Han population? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 14:52, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Reliable source for DNA section[edit]
The author of this dissertation uses that evidence to indicate that most southern Chinese, including Cantonese are descended from Han from northern China marrying native women in southern China. The evidence are DNA studies of y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA testing of southern Chinese populations from Guangdong and Fujian and other areas in southern
China which indicate that a majority of southern Chinese have mostly northern Chinese y chromosomal DNA (paternal dna) and only a small amount of northern Chinese mitochondrial DNA (maternal DNA), indicating that most southern Han Chinese descend from an expansion of northern Chinese males marrying native women in southern China.
Rajmaan (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
What do you mean by "northern Chinese males marrying native women in southern China. "? Southern Chinese people were originally from northern China?! Are you meaning to say "Men in Northern China are not Chinese natives?"
Religion section of Infobox[edit]
This is to discuss the minor dispute on the infobox's religion section. The Han Chinese are majority non-religious, whether it be atheist, agnostic, humanist, secular, unaffiliated, or as User:AngeloDeLaPaz pointed out "spiritual", these would in all likelihood be grouped as irreligion in surveys. To leave out such a major tradition in the infobox is disingenuous (and I also think the section on #Religion should be expanded to include the irreligious as well, as seen in the article Religion in China). There are many articles on ethnicity/nationality that includes the irreligious. Most noticeably that of the more atheistic nations, Estonians, Czechs, Swedes, Norwegians, Russians, Australians, etc. even the Americans article notes the "Unaffiliated", which could very well include the "spiritual". On the point of labeling Mahayana Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, and Chinese folk religion/Shenism as the "traditional religions", I think we should first define what is considered to be traditional to the Han Chinese. Christianity and Islam came to China quite early as well, just two to three centuries after Buddhism in the former's case. If you are referring to San jiao he yi, that is not as much a description of the religious traditions of the Han Chinese than it is a description of the philosophical tradition. --184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Han Chinese subgroups[edit]
I noticed that the article for Han Chinese subgroups just redirects to this main article. Is there any plan for a subsection for this subject. The category Category:Subgroups of the Han Chinese also applies to this main article, quite erroneously. I'm not sure whether this would go under the Culture or Genetics section. →⚙量
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Request for a "subgroups of han chinese" section[edit]
That lists the ethno linguistic groups of han chinese. Cantonese, Min, Sichuanese, Hakka, Northerner etc... as well as differences in culture, beliefs, genetics, etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzz41 (talk • contribs) 07:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
LARGEST ETHNIC GROUP? INDO-EUROPEAN IS LARGER I think that the Indo-European ethnic group is larger, comprising 700 million people in Europe, another 700 million people in Western and Southern Asia and 300 million in the Americas.--126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:25, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- Indo-Europeans have been trying for thousands of years to live a distinct identity from the rest of her neighbors... Han Chinese have convergence social norms and identity over the past thousand years. Completely opposite. That's like saying Indians are "White Caucasians" since they are Indo-European (Aryan race)... which is obviously not true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:19, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Indo European is considered a linguistic group. It comprises several ethnic groups. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 19:32, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- My understanding was that "Han" was the correct and most useful grouping called "ethnic." Are Catonese, Min, etc. considered sub-ethnic groups?--Tznkai (talk) 04:20, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Other uses of the character "Han"[edit]
Nguyen Emperor Minh Mang claimed that the Vietnamese had the right to call themselves Han people 漢人
Minh Mang called Vietnam "Zhongguo" 中國
Rajmaan (talk) 04:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Better Bruce Lee Picture[edit]
It's very hard to see the facial features of a monochrome bronze statue. Perhaps a better picture is in question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Population by country[edit]
Some of these numbers seem to be inflated, for instance the figure for Chinese people in Indonesia is 8.8 million, while the article Chinese Indonesians (which is a Good article by the way) indicates 2.8 million.
Also, I updated the number of Chinese Americans according to the 2010 estimate by US Census Bureau. --Երևանցի talk 21:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Contributions to humanity[edit]
The "Contributions to humanity" section seems very excessive given the link to the main article, particularly the last huge paragraph. Moreover, no other ethnic group page that I have seen has a similar section, so is it really appropriate to include at all? It should be shortened to a paragraph or two at the very least, to match the other sections under "Culture". Or perhaps even moved out from under Culture. DuBistKomisch (talk) 00:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Southern Han largely share the same Y chromosomes with the same mutations as northern Han, while differing in mtdna and autosomal DNA.. Due to southern Han being descended from northern Han migrants who moved to southern China and married native women
Do not use the blog as a reference, but use it to find and cross reference other sources.
Teochew, Fujianese, and Hakka Y chromosome compared in Singapore. The three groups largely share the same Y chromosome
Differences between southern Han Chinese groups like Chaoshan, Hakka, and Cantonese is mainly in the mtdna lineage inherited from the mother, where some southern Han have heavy amounts of southern native mtdna.
Taiwanese Plains Aborigines, Taiwanese people
"Have mainland (Tangshan) grandfathers, don't have mainland (tangshan) grandmothers
Autosomal DNA
Title: Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Are Descendants of Three Neolithic Super-grandfathers
Genetic tests on minority Zhuang Y Chromosomes show them to be of Baiyue descent, while they have some Northern Han y chromsomes due to migration of northern Han to southern China.
A map of Baiyue ethnic groups in Southern China during the Zhou dynasty's rule over Northern China.
58[A25] JIN Li, LI Hui, WEN Bo(2005) Genetic Structure of Han: Demic Diffusion of Han Culture. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall 15:110-117.
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57[A24] LI Hui (2005) Genetic Evidence for Nationalism of China: One Root, Tufty Branches and Crossed Twigs. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall 15:118-133.
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LI Hui (2005) Genetic Evidence for Nationalism of China: One Root, Tufty Branches and Crossed Twigs. Journal of National Dr. Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hall 15:118-133. [PDF全文下载] [摘要] http://comonca.org.cn/lh/doc/A24.pdf
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Pinghua population as an exception of Han Chinese's coherent genetic structure
Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation
[Study on HLA haplotypes in Jiangsu-Zhejiang-Shanghai Han population].
[The genetic characteristic of HLA-DRB1 locus in the Jiangsu-Zhejiang-Shanghai Han population and a comparison of its frequency distribution with that of other populations].
These articles are about HLA allele frequency, not Y chromosome or autosomal genetics (so if you read the charts and mistakenly assume they are talking about genetic closeness you will get ridiculous results, like Northern Han and Taiwanese being closer with Southern Han in another branch, and Singapore Chinese being close to Tibetans while Southern Han and Northern Han are in another branch). Don't abuse charts like these and claim they represent how genetically related people are to each other.
Historical Migration of Northern Han to Southern China[edit]
Anti foreign sentiment and blood purity among Southeastern Literati during the Tang dynasty
alternate names[edit]
Cantonese call themselves men of Tang, or Tang people, since they were descended from northern migrants from Central Plain (China) region who fled south during the Tang dynasty, and central plains people back then were called Tang people.
Cantonese dialect is close to Chinese language during the Tang dynasty
14:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Millet-Rice Sinitic expansion from north to south[edit]
Recently there have been edit in DNA analysis section where it talk about Sinitic expansion from north to south on the base on Sinitic connection to millet-rice. Although it is widely accepted that Sinitic expand from north to south,it is not under DNA analysis.
Qing dynasty Aisin Gioro Y chromosome DNA found in several ethnic minorities but not found in Han Chinese[edit]
Aisin Gioro Y chomosome DNA was found in "Xibe, Outer Mongolians, Inner Mongolians, Ewenki, Oroqen, Manchu, and Hezhe" males and number around 1 million people. Their ancestor was Nurhaci's grandfather Giocangga, whose descendants made up the Qing dynasty nobility. But the Y chromosome was not found in the general Han Chinese population.
The Y chromosome cluster is specifically C3c, part of the General Haplogroup C-M217, which Genghis Khan's lineage is a part of, although the Manchu Aisin Gioro Y chromosome is part of a different cluster than Genghis Khan's
The reason it spread among these specific minority groups, but not among the Han Chinese population, is because the Qing Manchu nobility was concentrated specifically in the ethnically Manchu Eight Banners and not in the Mongolian and Han Eight Banners, and the specific ethnic groups which made up the Manchu Eight banners were "Manchu, Mongolian, Daur, Oroqen, Ewenki, Xibe".
Rajmaan (talk) 22:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
DNA section biased[edit]
The text in the DNA analyis is misleading
"Despite this, tests comparing the genetic profiles of northern Han, southern Han and southern natives determined that haplogroups O1b-M110, O2a1-M88 and O3d-M7, which are prevalent in southern natives, were only observed in some southern Hans (4% on average), but not in northern Hans. "
This would imply the paternal contribution of southern natives is only 4% when this is far from the truth. Y-DNA O1 (all subclades) is very common in (and perhaps more associated with) Dai populations. It is also very common in southern Chinese. Y-DNA O-P201 is very common in southern natives and is very common in Guangdong. There are many subclades of Y-DNA O1, O2 and O3 shared by both Dai and Han alike. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_populations_of_East_and_Southeast_Asia. Missing or empty
- ^ http://blog.ifeng.com/article/31381043.html. Missing or empty
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-MSY2.2#O-M119. Missing or empty
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M95_(Y-DNA)#Subclade_distribution. Missing or empty
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M122#Subclade_Distribution. Missing or empty
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Problems with the title[edit]
1. "Han Chinese" gives people the impression that this article is only about the Han people in China.
2. For Wikipedia articles on other ethnic groups mainly found in China, we don't say "XXX Chinese". Instead, we say Zhuang people or Hmong people.
3. For Wikipedia articles on most ethnic groups in the world, we seldom see titles like "XXX demonym". For example, we don't use "Navajo Americans", "Ainu Japanese" or "Pashtun Afghans"; instead, we use Navajo people, Ainu people and Pashtun people.
For these reasons, I propose to rename the page to Han people. "Han Chinese" will be redirected to the page and noted in the first sentence. Lysimachi (talk) 14:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
- This can be quite problematic, this differentiation is asking us to use the term "Chinese people" to mean "中華人"/"中國人" which are already covered by the articles Zhonghua minzu (中華民族), Demographics of Taiwan, List of ethnic groups in China, and Demographics of China, while "漢人" (alternatively Tang People "唐人") refers to largest ethnic group of China (and the world) regardless of nationality. As most people usually mean Han people when they refer to "Chinese" in general, and Zhuang, H'mông, and others are often referred to as "Minorities", but then again the popular name for the Hui's is also "Hui Chinese" so you might have a point. But another difference is that what most of the world calls "China" and/or "Chinese" and/or "Taiwan" and/or "Taiwanese" is Han, Ainu are a minority the largest ethnic group in Japan are the Yamato, Navajo are a minority as well as most U.S. Americans are Non-Hispanic German-Americans, Pashtuns are a majority in Afghanistan though, but they share their country with Persians/Tajik's and Baluch people. But Han are different as they are in fact what has always made up the "Chinese" population, and "Han" is only an alternative name, in Viet-Nam they're "Hoa" (Civilized people), in the Spanish East-Indies it was "Sangley", in Nusantara it's "Peranakan", and I can go on, placing "Chinese" next to the name is explanatory and in the context of the article maybe necessary.
- Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 13:14, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
infobox image problem[edit]
the image associated with Chien-Shiung Wu in the infobox appears to be an actor i recognize (but who's name i don't know), while the linked page is not him. Perhaps someone knows what to do to fix this. BakerStMD 01:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Ancient DNA Reveals That the Genetic Structure of the Northern Han Chinese Was Shaped Prior to 3,000 Years Ago[edit]
While it's not really of utmost importance, I don't see why this paper should be at the bottom. If anything it should be at the top, like it previously was. If readers desire is to learn about "DNA analysis" or prehistoric origin of Han Chinese, this is by far the most up-to-date of the citations listed. It actually might even actually refute some of the material in the paragraph as well, or at least require the paragraph to be rebalanced. The origins of East Asians (or at least Han) in bronze age North China, in or nearby Henan, and expanding in all directions is something I've read many scholars assert. It's surely more informative than a vague "northern" vs "southern" grouping which downplays the complexity of the scenario. In any case, I won't take any actions as I don't feel it's my place to do so. Cheers Easy772 (talk) 00:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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'Britain and the Kings of Arabia' [Documentary @ PressTV]
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Britain's support of the authoritarian regimes of the Arabian Peninsula is deeply rooted in their vast economic and military interests through often corrupt partnership between the royal families. In this documentary the history of these relations are studied; and it shows how huge amounts of oil revenue is again invested in Britain by Arabian princesses instead of being spent on the people of these nations and where these funds are needed. The torture and murder of an Afghan laborer at the hands of an Abu Dhabi prince with the aid of the police is also depicted.
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