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This topic contains 22 replies, has 7 voices, and was last updated by DrMandible 5 years, 1 month ago.
August 24, 2009 at 6:17 am #7568
AlanParticipanti_is_j_smith wrote:
I'm talking about moving to another state. I am a U.S. citizen, and I pay my taxes. If I ever get fed up enough with the quality of service I can just move to Australia…or New Zealand…or the U.K. I will no longer pay taxes to the U.S. So how are taxes not voluntary if I can leave whenever I want?
Don't get me wrong…I'm not defending the system that existing states use. I just don't understand this whole "taxes are forced on me" issue.
If I may jump in for a moment:
Oh, as a U.S. citizen you can just pick up and move to Australia, New Zealand, or the U.K.? I've got news for you . . .
Unless you have a skill that those countries want, this will be more difficult than you might expect. If you are over 50, it will be even harder. Even if you have the skills, you will have to go through quite a process to get permission to live in one of these countries. The average U.S. citizen would have a very difficult time getting permission to move.
Then, even if you make the transition and give up your U.S. citizenship, the United States government may still attempt to collect taxes from you for another ten years. This will be despite having not even a pretense of having representation – not that most U.S. citizens have any meaningful representation in government at present. How is this voluntary?August 24, 2009 at 10:07 am #7569
EelcoParticipanti_is_j_smith wrote:
I never chose to become a dutch citizen, yet I am
Yes but in a Heathian-system seastead I assume you would have children. And they would be born into this system by no say of theirs, and be required to pay rent when they come of age. How is that any different than taxes?
In my system, children born into a system are dependents, without any obligations. Should they seek full citizenship rights, they would have to make an explicit choice to join a community.
Technically, i can move to a better juristriction
I'm talking about moving to another state. I am a U.S. citizen, and I pay my taxes. If I ever get fed up enough with the quality of service I can just move to Australia…or New Zealand…or the U.K. I will no longer pay taxes to the U.S. So how are taxes not voluntary if I can leave whenever I want?
Don't get me wrong…I'm not defending the system that existing states use. I just don't understand this whole "taxes are forced on me" issue.
Im talking about moving to another state as well. Insofar as the choice is affordable at all, it isnt worth it, since they are all pretty much exactly the same countries.
Like i said, there is no difference in kind, but possibly, a huge difference of degree could be realized.August 26, 2009 at 5:58 am #7578
Anonymousi_is_j_smith wrote:
This is one point that always confuses me. Why do people consider taxes involuntary? You say paying rent to a seastead owner is better because you can always "move to a better one". Can't you do that if you are paying "taxes" to a seastead "government"? You voluntarily pay your taxes and if you don't like the services you move to a better one. Isn't this just an issue of semantics?
If you don't pay your rent, you get evicted. If you don't pay your taxes you get sent to jail. (I suppose the latter could be a form of free rent though.)
You don't have a choice about paying taxes or not. But you do have a choice about where to lease or buy a property.
The difference is between state force and choice, coercion and freedom.August 26, 2009 at 6:14 am #7579
Anonymousi_is_j_smith wrote:
Yes but in a Heathian-system seastead I assume you would have children. And they would be born into this system by no say of theirs, and be required to pay rent when they come of age. How is that any different than taxes?
The difference is that they can choose to say and participate or not. If they choose to stay, then it was a conscious, voluntary, deliberate decision. In other words, they have freedom of movement based on choice.
If they move to a country that has taxes and refuse to pay those taxes, then they become subject to state control and force (i.e., become criminals). In other words, they become prisoners with no freedom of movement, based on coercion.
I understand your point about how these may seem the same on the sufrace or in effect, but in actuality, they're very different. The controlling authority in a free system is the individual, i.e., personal choice. The controlling authority in a state is the state, i.e., government force against the individual. In the first case, the individual determines the outcome freely. In the second case the state determines the outcome coercively.
I'm talking about moving to another state. I am a U.S. citizen, and I pay my taxes. If I ever get fed up enough with the quality of service I can just move to Australia…or New Zealand…or the U.K. I will no longer pay taxes to the U.S. So how are taxes not voluntary if I can leave whenever I want?
If you don't give up your U.S. citizenship, then you are obliged by U.S. law to pay taxes to the U.S. on a portion of your non-U.S. income even if you physically live outside the U.S. (Almost no other country has such a rule.) If you become a citizen or resident of Australia or New Zealand or the U.K., then you're obliged to pay taxes to them. Else you risk their use of state force against you, including imprisonment.August 26, 2009 at 6:32 am #7580
AnonymousJLMadrigal wrote:
It would be a mistake to differentiate a Heathist multi-tenant lease from Anarcho-capitalism. Since the property holder is making land use decisions regarding his property, he may determine which companies or techniques are used for its defense, upkeep, and value maintenance – as long such techniques do not violate the lease. Furthermore, to the extent that the leasing agency does not violate libertarian principles (particularily the libertarian rights of the tenants), as outlined in the Civil Order Pact (
) it provides a libertarian anarcho-capitalist system.
90% of the Clubstead Master Lease (wiki.seasteading.org/index.php/ClubStead_Master_Lease) was written by Spencer Heath MacCallum for the proprietary community of Atlantis (http://www.libertariannation.org/a/f33m1.html). I have made special arrangements with Mr. MacCallum for him to receive a predetermined fraction of my proceeds should I be fortunate enough to use it. The lease takes special care, Thief, to assure that property will not be taken away on a whim, and to assure that leaseholders can receive full benefits for their improvements.
A Singaporian penal system is quite unnecessary with such a lease. "Crimes" must have victims.
A property owners' association, while it still arguably falls under anarcho-capitalism, has all of the disadvantages of majoritarianism (AKA Democracy).
Regarding a substitute for statist currency, I like such alternatives as e-gold and the use of stock certificates … but ultimately the buyers and sellers will decide what medium they like best.
I agree Heathism is a form of anarcho-capitalism. I was trying to differentiate them based on protection agencies. If Heath is based on a singular protection agency, then that's a significant variation on pluralistic protection agencies. The incentives and operational aspects of having one or multiple protection agencies covering the same territory may be very different. Think for example of territorial or jurisdictional conflicts between multiple protection agencies operating in the same territory. Having a single protection agency would seem to reduce that potential to near zero.
Regarging MacCallum's Atlantis community and the Clubstead Master Lease, I'm delighted to hear about it and shamed for not following things closely enough to hear that Spencer was involved. He is the grandson of Spencer Heath and the keeper of Heath's work. I can think of no one better to help write such a master lease. Patri and I had the pleasure of meeting Spencer MacCallum at his Civil Society Institute talk at Santa Clara University several years ago. Here is my report about that event.
Regarding Singaporean justice, I agree that crimes must have victims. If someone doesn't flush a "public" toilet after using it, then they have imposed a small cost on the next person to use it, or the owner via higher maintenance costs. If common areas are owned by the leaseholder, then they are a victim for abuse of "public" facilities. The mere act of chewing gum in public, however would appear to have no identifiable victims, either in Singapore or anywhere else and therefore should not be a crime.
Regarding a property owners' association, I agree it basically re-introduces politics, potentially putting the snake back into the garden of eden as it were. However it would seem that the incentives would be radically different for property owners under an explicit voluntary contract as opposed to passive government subjects under am implicit social contract. So it may not be as bad as it seems, and it would be based on choice, as is a land-based condo association (minus the usually "public" services like police, sewer, water, power, etc.). One has a conscious, explicit choice to enter a property owners' association contract or not, and the conditions are clearly laid out and specified up front.
Regarding currency, gold, stock, and private enterprise money all seem better than a government fiat currency.August 26, 2009 at 1:29 pm #7584
Protection agencies tend to operate on a community by community basis. Each stead will be a community in itself. Protection under each lease may differ from stead to stead, but will likely follow that of private residential communities and malls on this scale.August 31, 2009 at 1:25 pm #7635
AnonymousJLMadrigal wrote:
Protection agencies tend to operate on a community by community basis. Each stead will be a community in itself. Protection under each lease may differ from stead to stead, but will likely follow that of private residential communities and malls on this scale.
Sure. I was trying to point out some possible differences for multiple versus a single protection agency per stead.October 20, 2010 at 9:09 pm #11627
DrMandibleParticipantthief wrote:
I think it has alot of merit, but falls on one important point. People want to own something. I personally am very much opposed to having to rent anything. When I put money somewhere, U want something at the end of it.
Plus there's a question of security. People don't want to spend their adult lives in a home that could be taken away at any moment.
And home improvements. Who decides what home improvements a person can do? And then, of course, the person has to leave their home with the improvements they've built.
It's a good idea, but I won't be staying on your stead.
– Nick
I take this argument from the other side. I don't want my society to rent its resources, I want it to own them, though not personally. If the resources and means of production are owned by a capitalist, then the colony is limited to merely different shades of capitalism. The means of production must be owned by the society, with the benefits being kept within the community, not paid in dividends to a capitalist owner.
I understand that people may differ in their desires, and viciously disagree with my desires. Nevertheless, within the spirit of this project, we must not preclude the ability for a truly anarchist or, for that matter, socialist, collectivist, or communist society to exist outside the bounds of capitalism.
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Todays mission: more sprites. Wall Textures. Learn to get the colors right.
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'THE needs of many outweigh the needs of the few' were the words Burton's MP used after residents who live near the A38 hit out against changes to the closure of hazardous gaps in the central reservation that lead to their properties.
David Wilkinson, of Lichfield Road, revealed that residents felt that they were not properly consulted over changes that will see the closure of the remaining gaps between the Branston and Barton under Needwood and the implementation of a 60mph speed restriction.
However, MP Andrew Griffiths said a consultation by the Highways Agency was not needed as the changes were needed to make sure the A38 was 'safe for drivers'.
Mr Griffiths told the Mail: "When public safety is of major concern, the Highways Agency and the police have to act in the best interest of the public.
"In most cases, of course there must be an opportunity to allow people to get their views across but surely issues such as it taking a little extra time to get home don't outweigh the need for better safety on the A38."
Previously, the Mail reported how residents had been opposed to the plans since they were first mooted – claiming that the closures would add 'significant' minutes to journey times as well as devaluing their properties.
Mr Wilkinson said: "We just feel like we have not been consulted properly.
"No-one in this street wants the changes. For many it will five miles to a journey.
"All residents have never had a problem on the road – it is just other drivers."
Calls for radical changes came after a succession of serious accidents culminated in the deaths of sisters Parveen Kauser and Raheela Altaf near the Branston junction last year.
Mr Griffiths added that the changes, introduced by the Highways Agency, would 'save lives' and 'reduce the number of accidents'.
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MINNEAPOLIS – Angels reliever Scott Downs might not have cat-like reflexes, but he's feeling as if he shares something else with that animal.
"I'm very lucky," Downs said after working out before Tuesday's game at Target Field. "I told my wife today, 'I'm using up my nine lives first with the ankle and now with the knee.' "
Downs injured his right ankle in a collision at first base during the Angels' first series in Minnesota last month. He was able to avoid a trip to the DL, missing only a few days with that injury.
This time, he has avoided the DL again and could be available to pitch again as soon as Wednesday night after suffering a bone bruise in the ninth inning of Sunday's game in Anaheim. Downs twisted his knee as he tried to avoid Blue Jays catcher J.P. Arencibia's base hit through the middle.
"It's one of those things where my body went one way and my legs went another," Downs said. "I couldn't put any weight on it. ... I was thinking, 'What did I do to my knee now?' I was thinking about the meniscus or something. But the MRI came up with nothing. I'm very lucky."
Downs tested his knee by doing agility drills and throwing off the mound briefly between the rain showers that passed through Minneapolis on Tuesday afternoon. He threw about a dozen pitches "just enough to put some stress on it" and came out of it feeling ready to pitch.
"It's just one of those things. I can't explain it," said Downs, wearing a sleeve on the injured knee but showing no signs of a limp. "It feels very good. I don't feel anything right now."
Downs told Angels manager Mike Scioscia he was ready to pitch Tuesday night if needed, but Scioscia said the team would "probably give him another day" to recover.
"As important as he's been to our bullpen last year and this year, this is great news," Scioscia said. "Hopefully, he can get out there and not even skip a beat."
Downs converted two saves in the 10 days after he took over the closer's role from Jordan Walden. Downs will return to closer when he's ready to pitch again, Scioscia said.
Angels right-hander Ervin Santana (0-6, 5.59) is scheduled to start against Twins right-hander Carl Pavano (2-2, 4.62). Game time is 5:10 p.m. and it will be broadcast on KCOP/Channel 13, KLAA/830 AM and KWKW/1330 AM in Spanish.
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First Look: Samsung Continuum
Dependent on contract
Second screen lets you see notifications, Twitter messages, and the like, Wi-Fi hotspot option
Plastic feels cheap, home screen cluttered, do you really need two screens?
When clamshell phones were all the rage we revelled with excitement at the idea of a second screen on the outside that would give you valuable information without having to flip open the handset. In an age where phones are blocks of plastic, metal and glass, to see what's what, you've got to turn that big battery sucking screen on to see what's going on in your life. In steps the Samsung Continuum, a phone, apparently inspired, says Samsung, by the pulse of New York City.
How? Because it's a phone that constantly keeps you connected while doing other things with a main screen and a bottom screen "ticker". You can do one thing on the main screen, while viewing updates on the ticker such as RSS feeds, music, or even incoming calls, to "maximise multitasking".
The combination of the two screens is indeed the main feature on the phone, with a 3.4-inch vibrant touchscreen Super AMOLED main display and a customisable 1.8-inch dedicated ticker display that shows custom information in real-time.
For example, you can search the web on the main screen of the Continuum and be notified of an incoming call within the ticker display. Indeed, this does minimise the number of interruptions incurred while watching videos or reading emails. The other cool thing about the ticker feature is that it is customisable and changeable on-the-fly. If you're about to dive into some business emails, but would still like to stay up to date with your tweets, you can dedicate the ticker to your Twitter stream.
Another person could dedicate their ticker to People.com's top headlines while they watch streaming video on the main screen. Both screens are completely touch enabled and customising the ticker was pretty easy when demoed by the Samsung rep.
The Samsung Continuum minimises the rude factor with its "sensor grip" technology that allows you to only light up the ticker to view tweets or emails without lighting up your entire phone, and immediately distracting everyone in the room, cinema, your date, etc. A cool feature for those who would like to give the illusion that they are actually listening to whomever they're with, rather than playing with their phone.
The phone itself is a lightweight piece of plastic, which immediately turned us off. Especially when compared to a device like the iPhone, which feels like a real piece of hardware in weight, design, and material. And why wouldn't we compare the two when they're both at a similar price point ($199 with a 2-year contract)?
The screen itself doesn't feel small exactly, although it is at the small end of the spectrum when it comes to Android screen sizes (the Samsung Galaxy S has a near 4-inch screen). To illuminate the phone, you press one of the top buttons and swipe the main screen to access your phone. To illuminate the ticker, there are soft keys on the side, which may take some getting used to for Android users.
There's a 5-megapixel camera with an auto-focus and LED flash that also features HD recording 720p playback (cool!)
The phone itself features the usual array of connectivity options in the guise of Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and, of course, Verizon's EVDO Rev A network. Other features include the device coming pre-loaded with Bing Maps and Bing Search, 3G Mobile HotSpot capabilities and Swype.
First Impressions
We were unimpressed with the Samsung Continuum overall since it is not being released with the latest Android 2.2 OS. Despite this let down, we were driven to give this phone a fair chance. From the moment we picked it up, we noted the cheap and lightweight quality of the phone. Call us old school, but if we're paying near $200 USD for a phone, we expect the phone to feel like a real piece of hardware in weight, design, and feel (think iPhone. Or even Nexus One ... or Droid.)
The Samsung Continuum felt like a cheap piece of plastic. That said, the phone itself does have some cool features like the dual screen ticker. We can see us reading important emails while streaming tweets. But is that feature enough to sell the phone?
It will also be interesting to see whether the upcoming OS upgrade to Android 2.2 will actually appear and what impact this has on performance. Only time will tell.
The Samsung Continuum will be available for order starting 11 November in Verizon Wireless Communications Stores and online at www.verizonwireless.com. It'll cost $199.99 after a $100 mail-in rebate with a new 2-year customer agreement and data package.
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I have been given a specification that requires the
ISO 8601 date format, does any one know the conversion codes or a way of getting these 2 examples:
ISO 8601 Extended Date 2000-01-14T13:42Z
ISO 8601 Basic Date 20090123T105321Z
I have been given a specification that requires the
When dealing with dates in SQL Server, the ISO-8601 format is probably the best way to go, since it just works regardless of your language and culture settings.
In order to INSERT data into a SQL Server table, you don't need any conversion codes or anything at all - just specify your dates as literal strings
and you're done.
If you need to convert a date field to ISO-8601 format on SELECT, you can use conversion code 126 or 127 (with timezone information) to achieve the ISO format.
should give you:
will produce this
And some more detail on this can be found at MSDN.
Gosh, NO!!! You're asking for a world of hurt if you store formatted dates in SQL Server. Always store your dates and times and one of the SQL Server "date/time" datatypes (DATETIME, DATE, TIME, DATETIME2, whatever). Let the front end code resolve the method of display and only store formatted dates when you're building a staging table to build a file from. If you absolutely must display ISO date/time formats from SQL Server, only do it at display time. I can't emphasize enough... do NOT store formatted dates/times in SQL Server.


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Miley Cyrus tends to evoke some pretty strong reactions in people. Whether you've had her latest album Bangerz on-repeat or you much prefer her "Party in the U.S.A." days (hey, totally fair), chances are you're on one of two ends of the approval spectrum. But despite her polarizing antics, it's hard to argue with one key facet of the 21-year-old's career: she's a darn good singer—take this video of her covering Lana del Rey's "Summertime Sadness" for evidence.
Another undeniable fact? She can put on quite a show.
"Everyone likes to talk about the shock factor and what I'm not wearing or what I'm wearing or whatever it is, and that's not what I want it to be about," Miley tells the camera in this behind-the-scenes video of her tour, courtesy of Vevo. "There is that element to it, because I also love that…A lot of my fans are young and they're buying these tickets for themselves so I want it to be a show that they can remember."
She continues: "Sometimes you leave a show and you don't feel you know the artist anymore. I want people to come to my show and after feel like they're connected to me and make it even more personal."
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Constitutional Law
How is it that the polls say the majority do not want DOMA when the fact is Voters throughout these United States have convincingly voted to preserve traditional marriage at the ballot box?
The bill should be renamed "The Defense of Paranoid Homophobes Act". I challenge anyone to intelligently and logically, without religious dogma, explain to me how straight marriage is adversely affected by gay marriage. Go ahead, give it a shot.
Not sure I believe the poll numbers "in favor of repeal". Anyone who supports DOMA can expect a full-on attack from the homosexualist lobby. Folks lose their jobs and/or get sud by merely advocating Biblical principles. We're not as bad as the UK or Canada yet, but unless you have angels at your elbow to pul you back inside the door you can expect to be treated like Lot (see the beginning of Genesis 19).
It's astonishing to me that so many in Congress and the media are carrying water for the militant homosexualists. Perhaps they see the writing on the wall for 2012 and this is a long-shot to rally the base of their party.
I certainly don't hate those who have chosen such a lifestyle. My brother did so and died 20 years ago from AIDS. I've known others who struggle with this sin and seek a way out. I do despise those who are trying to herd (recruit) confused youth into that lifestyle and then chain the door lest they escape.
The oppoinents of DOMA would like you to think they are seeking the right of marriage. Not true - they seek to redefine it and force the rest of us to abide by all legal ramifications of that redefinition. Everyone has the right to marry - no one has an unrestricted right to marry whomever they desire. You can't marry sufficiently closely-related members of your family. You can't marry someone under the age of consent. You can't marry someone who is already married (although I'm sure that will be the next court case if DOMA is overturned). Similarly, according to long-established precedent - you can't marry someone of the same gender. Folks cohabit and fornicate all the time, but it isn't marriage. Neither are man-man or woman-woman relationships.
If DOMA is overturned, then it will be the case that same-sex activity will not only be permitted, but sanctioned - both in the courts and in the classroom. With regards to the latter, please read Matthew 18:6 for the consequences...
"With the Majority" - please don't think that you (or anyone else) can read the minds of voters on every possible issue based only on who they voted for in the mid-terms (or any other election). Everyone votes for particular candidates for different reasons, and I doubt that all votes for Republicans were due to a desire to keep the DOMA in effect.
"Doug S' didn't answer "Alan's" question, since you had to fall back on religion.
Religion should have no effect on the laws of the US, or of any state. If the definition of 'marriage' depends on religious doctrine, then governments in this country should have nothing to do with it. The various churches can place whatever restrictions they want on marriages that they will perform or recognize based on their beliefs, but governments should base laws only on the welfare of the public.
Nothing about same-sex couples is a threat to opposite-sex couples. The 'threat' that the DOMA purports to 'defend' against simply does not exist.
Like Alan, I would truly like to know what is the basis of such an alleged threat.
The Ballot box on the state level specifically about marriage. Not candidates....the issue itself.
With the Majority...
And you KNOW this? You know the mind of every voter in the state? By the way, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question above.
Alan, how many states have held a referendum or similar ballot process on the marriage issue and/or homosexuals marrying? How many states (by their majority) have restricted marriage to the traditional definition? This is not difficult to find out.
Time for the state to get out of the marriage business. Thirty eight states (out of 48) prohibited whites from marrying blacks, "mulattos," Japanese, Chinese, Indians, "Mongolians," "Malays" or Filipinos. The real purpose of state sanctioned marriage. Abolish it.
With the Majority said: "Alan, how many states have held a referendum or similar ballot process on the marriage issue and/or homosexuals marrying? How many states (by their majority) have restricted marriage to the traditional definition? This is not difficult to find out."
And my answer is: I don't really care. My question, that none of you seem able to answer is "How does a gay marriage adversely affect a straight marriage?" I'd like a logical, sensible answer without gay-bashing, conspiracy theory or religious dogma. Just a straight answer. I'm still waiting...
This is a thoughtful comment:
Democrats want to get re-elected, so they support a bill that looks real tough, but has no backing compared to the backing DOMA has. DOMA is already a law, passed by a great margin, and it is a bi-partisan law. DOMA is what they'd like their bill to become. They just want to take a stand, though they know, compared to DOMA, their bill is nothing but a bill.
But we want them singled out, so we can see if they get re-elected. After all, many Democrat voters agree with DOMA, and the poll they quote is biased.... but go ahead and believe it, because the surprise failure will be even greater. Don't mess with motherhood.
Alan, you never answered my question as to what the majority of voters have voted? You do not care how the republic votes? You are changing the issue.
Also, can you really tell us you have not come across ONE non-religious reason/argument to support traditional marriage definition with all the debates that have taken place nationwide? I will write more on this later. But you seem too charged up on this topic to be ignorant of ONE reason. So, Alan, please address the issue of what the majority have voted.
Saying something like how have "the majority of voters voted?" highlights your ignorance. 100 years ago, we would not have even been able to discuss gay marriage. Does that mean if was less right then than now? Of course not.
The number of people who support an idea has almost ZERO correlation to whether that idea is correct. Simply relying on popular opinion is probably the WORST way to legislate or judge.
Also, I honestly cannot think of one way that gay marriage would affect straight marriage.
This country is in trouble, and this is the deep end.
The definition of marriage, up until 1996, in every English language dictionary, was exclusively "The joining of opposites." By 1996; pressure by same sex enthusiasts led to the inclusion of same sex coupling as one of the many acts marriage now encompasses.
Things do not stop being what they are just because a well healed horde of miscreants' works behind the scenes to create the appearance of acceptability to their depravity. Acceptance of same sex marriage will fundamentally change one of the major pillars of our societal structure. If you honestly believe this fundamental shift in societies structure will not effect anybody else you are crazy.
Every small-government conservative who believes in freedom of contract between two consenting adults should support gay marriage.
Randy is right! Sam- Marriage is not a contract. Alan, marriage is by definition a "the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc". Please do not ague that a gay in a"pseudo-marriage" does not undermine the social institution. Europe has shown that where gays have had this "right", marriage has suffered.
The truth is that marriage is to bring "differences" together not sameness. Also, there are studies that indicate gays (self-reporting) do not hold the same view of sexual fidelity as is expected in a heterosexual marriage. Furthermore, where children are involved, the studies are clear tat children are harmed. This is not the forum for sufficient details. But the objective studies reveal marriage and families are harmed.
Finally, marriage combines the spheres of the church and state (covenant and legal binding). If Alan you truly do not want the church's influence, be content with Civil Unions. Have the gay community live under the notion of contract instead of a covenant commitment. Now, Alan, why are gays not content with that status?
Hello again to "With the Majority"...
I'm not the only one here posting as "Alan." The comment that began with - 'Saying something like how have "the majority of voters voted?" highlights your ignorance.' - was not from me. As to yuour question, polls are inherently unreliable because it all depends upon who you ask and how the question is worded. Agenda-driven organizations routinely spin poll results to suit their needs. About the only polls I come close to trusting are RCP and Rassmussen. That's the best answer I can give you.
So... what about MY question? Once again I ask: How is a straight marriage adversely affected by a gay marriage? I want an intelligent, logical answer with no religious dogma. I'm still waiting...
How does expansion of government benefit those that favor smaller government?
Perverts need to pervert the world around them in order to lend the appearance of acceptability to their depravity.
Pervert: A unusual or abnormal sexual act performed repeatedly
Depravity: A state of moral corruption
Randy E King said: "How does expansion of government benefit those that favor smaller government?"
Well, wouldn't the repeal of DOMA equate to smaller government? The issue should be left to each state to decide, not the fed.
Alan- please review my previous response. Marriage is harmed and from a social institution basis. Simply because you are not satisfied with my response does not mean there are no non-religious reasons.
With the Majority said: "...Marriage is harmed and from a social institution basis..."
Please review my question. The question is HOW it is harmed, not IF it is harmed. If Jack and Jill are living happily ever after but then Bruce and Timmy get married, HOW exactly are Jack and Jill affected by this? Is their marriage somehow "lessened" by Bruce and Timmy? Evidently many people think so. What I want to know is what that effect might be. Everyone seems to think that conventional marriage is somehow harmed by gay marriage.
If Bruce and Timmy marry, is Jack rendered impotent? Is Jill suddenly barren? Does the divorce rate for straights go up? Does their boss cut their pay? Again... HOW are Jack and Jill affected by Bruce and Timmy? If all of you are so convinced that the harm exists, why can you not describe specifically what that harm might be? I'm not asking for much. I just want a direct answer to a direct question. I'm still waiting. My patience is endless...
Oh crap. I forgot to put my name in the post above. It's me. Really, no foolin'. :-)
Must I repeat myself, Europe has shown that marriage has been diminished. Definitions matter- husband and wife. Sex based; not gender preference based. Government intrudes very little about whether one is male or female. I am affected by how marriage is valued and defined. Roles come with a marriage. Confusion will certainly arise and public education will be significantly altered. Marriage has historically been accepted (across cultures) as between man and woman. Marriage is not the whim and wishes of two or more people however they want to define it. Society has a vested value. It has VOTED to preserve what it has. I agree.
"Supporters of the repeal effort, however, say the tide of public support is turning in their favor."
Is exactly what these miscreants claimed in:
Maine, Maryland, California, Hawaii, Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and 33 other States
Fortunately; SCOTUS is keen to rule on the intent of precedence as it was defined during the time that said precedence was set. In the case of Loving v Virginia when SCOTUS declared marriage to be a "fundamental right; our existence and very survival is dependant upon it." The word "Marriage" was defined exclusively as "The joining of opposites."
Never-mind the fact the nobody in their right mind would ever argue that "our existence and very survival..." will ever be dependent upon perverts rubbing their reproductive organs agains each-other.
It's time America. Marriage is firstly a civil and contractual matter in America. Period.
So the marriage cops need to go away and play bingo in the Potomac River...
Cheers, Joe Mustich, CT Justice of the Peace, USA.
jeez, the repressed and closet cases seem to be coming out today...with their looney remarks..
i bet must of them are old white men......who love playing marriage cop.....
Cheers, it's spring so lighten up...Joe Mustich, CT Justice of the Peace, US.
Jos. speaking of old and white....On the House side, Reps. Jerry Nadler (D., N.Y.) (pictured) and John Conyers (D., Mich.) teamed up with the four openly gay members of Congress, Reps. Tammy Baldwin (D., Wis.), David Cicilline (D., R.I.), Barney Frank (D., Mass.) and Jared Polis (D., Colo.), . How many of these are young? What does race or age have to do with this issue? Who is a "closet case"? It is spring, so why not have Congress defend its passed legislation and let the Supreme Court decide?
With The Majority said: "I am affected by how marriage is valued and defined."
In what way? Would a change affect your property taxes? Will your grass not grow? How?
As to public schools, there is very little in school that has anything to do with marriage. A couple of homemaking classes and maybe one or two chapters in biology. That's about it. Oh, and fat, dumb redneck kids might be punished for beating up homosexuals. What a crime that would be.
You also said: "Marriage is not the whim and wishes of two or more people however they want to define it. "
But shouldn't it be? Who are you and I to tell others that they have fewer rights than the rest of us? Does that not in and of itself go against constitutional principle? Why should life be any different for gays than for you or me? If Jack decides to marry Phil instead of Jill, that should be between Jack and Phil. Government should have no say in the matter.
I hear conservatives blather each and every day about how the reach of government is too long (and I wholeheartedly agree). Well, here is a perfect opportunity to roll back that reach, but most of you are making hypocrites of yourselves because homosexuality is one of your indoctrinated taboos. So in this case, you WANT big government to step in and inflict itself upon those with whom you disagree. You can't have it both ways.
Males and Females have the right to marry each other, Alan. This is by definition. Same sex do not. No, I do not believe everyone has the right to define what marriage is for themselves. That is chaos. GO with civil unions, Alan. Now that is a contract you should be able to live with.
I have not referenced the role of government except that it is one sphere of power in this topic; it coexists with the family and church spheres. In Illinois, a homosexual couple is suing a bed and breakfast that will not rent to them. So, the government 's definition of relationships DOES influence those who believe marriage is important. Will you defend the property owners' rights not to violate their conscience? OR does your position only work against those who do not agree with you?
Let me follow-up with one question: If homosexuals do not want the government intruding in their lives or dictating relational terms, why do they not simply live together?
My word, I think I'm feeling sick to my stomach.
Alan, I thank you for asking that question. "How?"
No one every answers this. It's simply "It does" As any English teacher will tell you, when you make an argument, you need evidence. "With the Majority" I will not say the things about you that your comments lead me to believe, but I will say this: You've no idea what you're actually talking about. Simply spewing text onto a screen, with all the intelligence and comprehension of a five year old.
As for Randy E King: You have got to be kidding me. This country has more than just Christians in it sir, and marriage isn't just a Christian ceremony. All faiths have a joining of two PEOPLE. And perhaps, in primitive days it was only betwixt a man and a woman. Strictly for reproductive purposes however. But same sex love has been around since the dawn of time. There is nothing unnatural about it. There is simply nothing scientific about it.
As for being not being content with a civil union; this is because it's about EQUALITY.
So it is GOVERNMENT defined equality you seek? Acceptance/Approval? It is interesting Clover that you use the word primitive to represent the views from the beginning of time and to the present. Homosexual relations are NOT equal. They are not the same. How do you know that societies in the past enforced this standard for REPRODUCTIVE purposes only? The Jewish people did not? It was to preserve the uniqueness of the male/female unity. Same sex activities may have be around for along time, but what previous societies have tried it in marriage status and survived?
With The Majority Said:
"Males and Females have the right to marry each other, Alan. This is by definition. Same sex do not."
I say:
That's the problem that needs solving. I'll even say that gay relationships are revolting in my view. But there is no guarantee in the Constitution protecting me from being "revolted."
You said:
"GO with civil unions, Alan. Now that is a contract you should be able to live with."
I say:
Perhaps. But only if civil unions provide the same benefits (Social Security, taxes, etc) as marriage. But even then we'd still be singling out gays as being unworthy of the same rights as the rest of us.
You said:
"Will you defend the property owners' rights not to violate their conscience?"
I say:
Of course I will. The sign, "We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to Anyone" is a common sight in American businesses. But those who are refused also have the right to sue. And let's get real for a moment - gay money spends just as well as straight money. I can understand not renting to someone if I think they'll trash the room or steal the telephone. But the genders of the couple seems a silly thing to get lathered up about. That goes back to indoctrinated taboos. It's been drilled into people's heads to think homosexuality is somehow "wrong." Silly, superstitious, backwoods bigotry.
And then you said:
"If homosexuals do not want the government intruding in their lives or dictating relational terms, why do they not simply live together?"
And I say:
WHOA!!! Isn't cohabitation outside of marriage morally wrong? Isn't "just living together" considered the practice of po' white trailer park trash? And shacking up doesn't allow for the aforementioned benefits of marriage (the taxes and S/S again). Why should gays not have those same benefits if they're making a life together?
Clover said:
"As for Randy E King: You have got to be kidding me. This country has more than just Christians in it sir, and marriage isn't just a Christian ceremony."
I say:
THANK YOU! I was married by a cantankerous old Justice of the Peace (aka "Magistrate" depending on where you live). That humble ceremony made me just as married as if I'd rented the Mormon Tabernacle. You know, when it comes down to it, all US marriages are "civil unions" in that it's the legal stuff that decides whether you're married or not. The ceremony can be beautiful and memorable, but aside from the vows it's nothing but symbolism.
And churches certainly have the right to refuse to hold a ceremony for a gay couple. And that is as it should be. But gays should absolutely be able to stand before a judge and take their vows. No one I'm aware of is telling Christians that they MUST conduct gay wedding ceremonies.
Alan, let us leave out morality please. You do not want to bring religion into this and I do not know where your standards would ever come to the conclusion that living together is morally wrong? I might, but you seem to be an absolutist and would never think that way. As far as taxes are concerned, you are aware of the marriage penalties built into our tax code? So, it is for government benefits that you want marriage approved? I never married my wife for the government benefits. That sure does not sound like a foundation based on love and sacrificial commitment.
I know this from text books, and from literature, AND from common sense.
Take the Romans for example. Same sex tendencies were quite popular, and no one looked upon these acts as immoral, or vile. Simply as making love. Marriage was never about love in the past. It was about "If my daughter marries your son, then they'll have children, and therefore the population of this earth will continue" Now, people marry for love. And romantic love is not gender bias.
^^^ That's me
Don't get me wrong, I not saying that legal issues are the main reason to marry. That'd be rather silly. However, DOMA prohibits legally married gay couples from having the same benefits as straight couples. Since this amounts to singling out a minority and treating them differently than everyone else, it is therefore wrong. We don't treat racial minorities that way anymore because that's wrong, too. Why should sexual minorities be any different?
Alan, what about the two brothers, or two sisters, or a brother and sister who in their old age live together (non-sexually) and take care of each other. They are just as loving and caring but they do not get to share their social security benefits with the survivor. Is that fair? So if you are going to argue for fairness in a loving relationship, certainly a non-sexual familial relationship is honorable, isn't it? Maybe social security should be changed so that each of us have our own account and we can give it away as an inheritance. What do you think? It would not be dependent on marital status at all.
Clover - I did the same thing earlier. These tiny fonts are murder on old eyes. And With The Majority, I also managed to forget to quote you, but my previous post is my reply to ya.
With The Majority said:
"What do you think? It would not be dependent on marital status at all."
I'm a proponent of privatization. And the individual should OWN the account. So yeah, that's all good.
However, an elderly brother and sister sharing a home to look after each other is not the same as a romantic relationship. Apples and oranges.
Clover, about the Roman times; their great opened minded experiment collapsed. Why did homosexual acceptance not survive that "primitive" period?
Because of oppressive people like you.
Concerning public schools, one has to be holding their nose and closing their eyes to think that marriage and family will not be influenced by homosexual marriage. Even now homosexual practices are being promoted as public educational policy.
Marriage as a word has too many connotations that everyone wants to pretend is a denotation. Here's a thought: Let's get the government out of the marriage biz. Leave it to churches to define what marriage is and to only marry those that fit their exclusive definition.
Meanwhile the state can manage civil unions which WOULD be a contract and be dealt with as such. Married folks can enter into a civil union if they wish or not. Unmarried folks can enter into a civil union for whatever reasons they think right and proper. But married or not, if you enter into a contract, you better be sure what you have promised and what the penalties are if you don't deliver.
Indeed. We have clubs such as GSA (Gay/Straight Alliance) that promote tolerance. Well educated people are sticking up for what's right.
"Because of oppressive people like you"... that is not too informative. What factors of the Roman period would cause society to be non-supportive of open homosexual behavior?
I would say it has a lot to do with the Romans converting to Christianity.
"We Have our freedom because of our faith; we do not have our faith because of our freedom." George W. Bush
This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties. A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature. Benjamin Franklin
In God We Trust = Official National Motto of the United States of America - one nation under God.
It amazes me the people would demand the right to use their God given gift of freedom to deny temselves and everybody else access to the source of our freedom.
With the Majority said:
"Clover, about the Roman times; their great opened minded experiment collapsed. Why did homosexual acceptance not survive that "primitive" period?"
I say:
History isn't my strength, but I seem to remember that part of the empire fell to numerous foreign invasions, and the rest survived until the Arab expansion. Not sure how homosexual activity would fit into that scenario.
You see when Rome permitted same sex marriages near the end they also opened the door wide to moral decay and the eventual collapse of their civilization. I for one know I will never fight to defend this country while it continues to hold its founding ideals in such disdain.
The kingdoms of yeseryear all failed the moment they could no longer convince their citizens to fight for them.
Randy E King said:
"The kingdoms of yeseryear all failed the moment they could no longer convince their citizens to fight for them."
Given the size of our all-volunteer military and the willingness of citizens to take up arms, I don't see that as a problem any time soon. Should our soil come under attack, you go hide under your bed. Others will defend your home for you.
I have to laugh at all the marriage arguments. Same sex marriages do not affect opposite sex marriages, period. Marriage has been, for millennia, a business contract. It is only in the last 50 years or so that marriage has commonly occurred for emotional reasons. Even still, through out the world, women are traded like cattle in the name of marriage. In my opinion there are two reasons the so-called traditional marriage is suffering: a lack of commitment and female independence. Divorce is so common and 'easy' now that people can quit or give up on their relationships when things get rough. Sometimes this is a good thing, sometimes it's pure selfishness. Women are no longer dependent on men to take care of them. We now have jobs, can own property, etc. and can take care of ourselves with no man present. It is no longer, in the USA, considered horrible for a woman to stay unmarried, to take care of herself, to be as independent as a man. Now that women don't need men to take care of them (and their children), why should they put up with a crappy marriage?
Neither of these reasons has anything to do with homosexuals getting the same legal rights in their relationships as heterosexuals.
Oh the NOW's dreaded "no it isn't" defense for the destruction their organization has brought. You do realize since you gals got the sense that you do not have to be responsible for your actions that this nation has gone from being the world largest creditor to the world's largest debtor?
Three things I do not believe in:
Santa Claus
The Easter Bunny
It is no coincedence that the beginnin of this nations slide can be directly traced to NOW (National Organization for Wemon.)
From "As Good As It Gets":
How do you write wemon so well; how do you know what is going on inside of here - points to head and heart
I start with a man and I take away common sense and accountability
Alan wrote:
Given the size of our all-volunteer military and the willingness of citizens to take up arms, I don't see that as a problem any time soon. Should our soil come under attack, you go hide under your bed. Others will defend your home for you.
The government is looking to illegal immigrants to fill the ranks because they cannot get enough lawful citizens to volunteer; the treat of a draft comes up every couple of years now. The Kingdoms of yesteryear looked to professional soldiers who eventually robed the kingdoms blind; until they ultimately failed.
Goodness, so many still have more fear of redefining marriage than of redefining equality.
No fear, we just do not want marriage redefined.
I am going to conclude writing about this topic with two thoughts:
1) The homosexual community has failed to convince the American society that the redefinition of marriage will be better than the current one. It cannot make the status equal; and
2) As the 1973 decision on another cultural topic did not resolve the issue and move the American public to a unified consensus, I do not believe a government mandated re-definition of marriage will resolve the matter of homosexual approval or acceptance. It will be perceived by many as another step in a moral decline of our values.
With The Majority said:
"It will be perceived by many as another step in a moral decline of our values."
YOUR values. And you evidently feel you should be allowed to inflict them upon others. Sad, that.
Just look back 50 years ago. "Gay marriage" ? Whats that? Fast Forward to 2011. Its legal in 6 states. Civil Unions in couple more..almost 16 states have some kind of protection. And most of the amendments passed against gay marriages were late 1990s or early 2000s. Thats why voters voted against. But the situation has changed. Unless you are 90 years old (which I doubt you are), I am sure you will be 'lucky' enough to see the day where gays can marry whether you like it or not. And well, if two gays marrying next door causes your marriage to fall apart, or you kids growing up to be perverts, then so be it! You earned it!
I am equally sure that soon you will see the day when marriage is protected from the unwelcomed encroachment of sexual deviants whose principle goal is to mandate the acceptance of their depravity unto society.
Currently only (5) States have had to endure the courts, or legislatures mandating the acceptance of your immorality as being equal to that which it will never be equal to - biological impossibility.
I can see why same sex enthusiasts like to misrepresent the facts; the actuals do not speak well of your depravity.
Time will tell! So far, I only see more and more states falling. And I see the more conservative states applying the amendments to their constitution as they are afraid that sooner or later, it will come to their state. Well, they are right. We'll come and get you. So many countries of Europe, Canada, South Africa, and many other have done it. What makes you think you will make it? In 2003/2004 when California passed Prop 22, it passed by a OVERWHELMING majority. i.e. 67% wanted marriage to be defined as between man and women. In 2008, that same percentage fell to 52% Want to take a popular vote now? Its 2011. Anyways, I am young enough to be able to live and see when all these red states will fall, either by vote or by legislature. Hope you are not pushing 90!
Good sign. Seems more and more evident that in order for social change to be completely enacted, we just need to wait for the old people afraid of change to die off
@Matter of time, you are right. That will what happen eventually. But the sad part is, these so-called-moral human beings will ruin the lives of an entire generation of LGBT interfering in their rights. So, I actually want them to be old and in old age homes alone, watching gays getting married on TV and spontaneously bursting to flame each time!! :D And if strangers getting married ruins their own marriage or dents their faith, then AWESOME! Good riddance! And Randy. Read my lips, honey. WE DON'T CARE IF YOU ACCEPT US. We only care for equal rights under the law which has a CLEAR separation from the church. Your 'Jesus' doesn't control everything honey. Do you know dinosaurs lived more than 65 million years ago?
To Doug S. - Yeah, even us rather conservative homosexuals are militant alright. Why do you categorize anyone who happens to have been born gay, to be "militant" for wanting to be treated equally by the government? Very flawed, radically right-winged thinking my friend.
Yes, I would love to take a popular vote now!
As it stands same sex activists are fighting tooth and nail to keep this debate out of the hands of the good people of the (5) remaining States that currently mandate perversion marriage on their citizens.
In every poll that the queers have offered they have presented polling data that later proved to contain a 15 point bias for the redefining what it is to be married. Most recently in Maryland this horde of miscreants was selling marriage as a "done deal." You most certainly do care if I accept you; which is why you are demanding your relationships be recognized as a matter of law.
You are no asking for equal rights because you already have that; you are demanding preferential treatment for everybody that embraces your perversion as their own.
You folks spend a life time lying to yourselves about your true nature; nobody should be surprised when you lie to them about your intent. Currently (42) States have protections for the traditional definition of what it is to be married, yet your group contiues to claim that your (5) to (42) advantage puts you over the top.
Randy, I pray to God that you are not 90! It sure will be fun to invite you to gay weddings! You can be the bridesmaid. Oh wait, there is no bride. :( but the invitation stands!
Randy, I have changed my mind. You can be the bridesmaid of the lesbians next door. They will get married in 2014 once they finish schooling. :D Also, 15 years ago, we didn't have even 5 states. And that is 5 states with marriage equality. 6 others give civil unions. Look up wikipedia. Like I have kept on saying: " Randy, good old man, hope you are young enough to attend our weddings!" we shall even arrange for adult diapers if you need them!
A fool takes no pleasure in comprehending, but only in expressing his own opinion.
"A Fool is the lowest thing a man can be"
"It is a sin to call any man a fool"
Can you name the Good Book these quotes come from?
Proverbs 18:2
This manoeuvre by Obama is extremely clever. The US Constitution does not mention the words marriage, homosexual, gay, sexual minority, LGBT. The US Constitution does include equal treatment under the law. This fact alone shows that the Republican party doesn't really use the US Constitution as its guiding light. The ninth amendment clearly states that rights not specifically mentioned in the US Constitution may be retained by the people and the people have retained that right through various methods. It seems to me that the last judicial ruling should stand and we should just get on with it. The expiration date for appealing the ruling is long past. It is still amazing in this day and age that the US and France are still "holdouts" on gay marriage long after the UK, Spain, Portugal, South Africa, Argentina and other respectable democracies have shown gay marriage to be a healthy legal institution.
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