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For those who were waiting..the new comparison – Leica X2 and X100!
For those who were waiting..the new comparison – Leica X2 and X100!
As you have seen in my last post I found that a new Leica X2 that was sent to me with the official Version 1 firmware seemed to be much sharper than the one I had for review (the one Leica sent as a review loaner) which had a previous Firmware version on it, which was obviously not final. After more boring test shots today it is clear that there is some kind of issue with the review sample X2 as the new one I have received is much sharper. It does not seem possible that a firmware revision would have any effect on focus or lens quality so either this review sample has an issue or was dropped or just was not right out of the factory.
I took a new test shot today just to see if each X2 would perform the same. Both were set at f/4, ISO 100, 1/500s. So same settings, same model camera. But as you can clearly see, the new one did much better. I also threw in a crop from the Fuji X100 (f/4 – ISO 200 – 1/900s) for those who are interested. You can clearly see the color difference as well. These were converted from RAW with ACR.
Ok this is the test shot. Below the image you will see the crops from each camera.
100% crop #1 – from the new X2 with version 1.0 firmware
100% crop #2 – from the review sample X2 with pre-production firmware – It appears to be out of focus but the camera confirmed and locked focus and the shot was taken three times. Same result.
100% crop #2 – From the Fuji X100
So there you go. The Leica X2 is sharper than I had previously thought simply due to the fact that the review sample was not focusing correctly or had some issue with the lens assembly. Results look to be on par with the old X1 but of course with more megapixels and better low light and high ISO performance. After shooting both the X2 seems a little quicker to AF than the Fuji X100. It's close though. Below are a couple of more test shots to show how sharp the X2 really is. I updated some sections of the X2 review as well. Thanks to all for reading!
and one with some PP – converted with Alien Skin Exposure
96 Responses to "For those who were waiting..the new comparison – Leica X2 and X100!"
Hi Steve, I've been following your website since long time and always found your reviews to be fair and balanced, that's why I am so surprised as this is the very first time I smell something bad about your review: the "unbelievable" X2 firmware or hardware glitch and the samples that came with it.
That rethinking, that corrections and amendments and even that "old X2 firmware sample" that is so blurred that really looks like it was retouch to be so bad just to make the comparison even more awesome.
Did Leica scold you? Did Leica subtly threatened you to close the tap and reconsider its relationship with you should you show that X2 is not so different from X1 and (more importantly) the several hundreds less expensive X100 is even better than those posh Leicas?
I see no bad choice if one was choosing between the two.
Thanks. I've enjoyed the comparisons. I'm pretty sold on the X100.
My x1 had to go back to Leica for this issue. During that trip back try replaced the lens assembly. Sharpness improved just as you have seen. I think sometimes in production or shipping they may take a knock. A few users on the errr shitty forum also experienced this.
I have been visiting/reading this site for 2 years or so. It has been enjoyable reading experience all along. Steve is a straight shooter. If some cute little camera which has inferior IQ then M9 but overall a solid functioning package he'll shoot it straight. I must say that his straight forwardness makes me spend some hard earned money on equipments and he is guilty in contributing to this country's trade deficit. Other then that I do not notice any misleading on his part. Germany and Japan will surely thank him for economic reason but I thank him for his straight forwardness.
Can you compare these images with a few shots from the Sony DSC-RX100?
Steve and I have been communicating sometimes as he's been working on the X2 tests and what seems quite possible is that the test copy he has (the silver camera) just isn't auto-focusing properly. Early test cameras like that get used a lot, they can get dropped, etc. It isn't, in my experience, related to any firmware change but rather than just a difference between two sample cameras.
Steve re-did the tests, it seems, because the black camera seemed to be performing better and wanted to know by how much, etc. It's a quite reasonable thing to do.
People even often imagine that test cameras are "cherry picked" examples, etc. In reality – and this is true for cameras from many companies – they are cameras that have seen some use (sometimes hard use), have been passed around at events, etc.
Please appreciate Steve gave up time during his weekend to post this and satisfy reader's demands for more information. I was almost sold on the X2 as my way back into Leica, now I am re-thinking again …bugger
Nice, but I do not understand all these comparisons with the X100 lately, as opposed to the XPro-1. You don't have the XPro-1 anymore? I have both, the X100 for more than a year and the XPro-1 for 2 months; besides the price, the *slightly* smaller form factor and the *slightly* faster AF of the X100 (still slow for both), the XPro-1 is just way better than the X100, even in terms of IQ, especially with its sharp 35mm f/1.4.
I don't see anything 'suspicious' or 'damning' about this. It can happen with any brand camera, especially one that is mailed all over the country and handled by different people.
Steve, I do have two questions:
1. Do you know who makes the sensor for the X2?
2. If you owned neither and got to pick one free (X2 or x100), which would you take and why?
Oh Duke, from an impartial perspective, I think your concerns are fair questions but it was the manner in which you brought them up that is questionable. To be truthful, we have all said things, especially with an accusatory tone, that we wish we had not. Whatever the case is here, I hope you continue to follow this blog as Steve's insight is worth following.
You should probably reconsider what you write before hitting the submit comment button. Steve is one of the most honest reviewers in this business and he does it for the love of the hobby, not for some hidden agenda with Leica or any other company for that matter. Thank you as always Steve, I love your site!
Hi Steve, thx for the update. The X2 looks like a camera i will buy in the very near future. Just one questions: Did you buy the original Leica EVF (if so, why?) or do you use the Olympus VF2?
You've almost answered yourself with that question. The lens or should I say lenses.. X-pro1 vs. X2 would be one of Steve's crazy comparisons. Why? Because the x-pro is a real system camera with interchangeable lenses. A bit loke comparing M9 & X100 and only using manual focus.. Different beasts all together,
The X100 and X2 are comparable products and more likely to be alternatives for future buyers. Of same "genre" if you wish.
X2 and X100 are both capable little units, just a matter of taste, style and handling for the buyer….there you go gents and ladies…buy one and take some pics.
I am really looking forward to that review. It may replace my nex
What a timely follow up. On Saturday afternoon my wife and I sent to the Leica store to check out the X2 and the M9. I spent a considerable time with both – uploading shots onto the store's iMac to get a feel for the images. One staff member walked passed and wanted to know "which lens did you use for that"? I told them it was in fact the X2 and they were pretty surprised.
Point is, the X2 is razor sharp – no question. Not only that, the files are gorgeous and the speed of the AF seems perfectly snappy to me.
It all comes back to this – go into the shop, try it, rattle off some shots, take the files home and check them out on screen. Better yet, find the best screen you can and use that! Those images will make the decision for you.
Steve, How does the X2 fare against the X100 in Skin tones, Mixed lighting and White balance… the X-100 has the most brilliant WB meter i have seen on a digital camera
My new Fuji X100 black limited is sharper than my old X100 silver, for whatever reason. These things happen.
I am curious about the results before the update. Did you see those blurred results with your initial go round? When I looked back at the review they didn't seem so bad but after seeing these comparisons it's night and day. In a vacuum where only the image created matters there is no comparison and I think the X2 is in a class by itself.
Do you feel better now that you got the attention you were seeking? :pats head:
My opinion on "which one"
I favor the X2, I am not objective:
1) Much smaller, about 30% smaller in volume, different camera case
2) Much lighter, about 30% lighter, one feels the difference
3) Better OOC JPEGS
4) 3D look of pictures, as shown in X1 vs X100 Grand Canyon Steve Huff pictures per his comments
5) Less distortion, as shown in Steve Huff son's face pictures per his comments
6) The sticky syndrome plagued many X100 lovers and warranty is 12 months for that only
In favor of the X100:
1) Cool OVF, built in EVF
2) Video
About price…I have spent over $5000 in m4/3, over $ 6000 in Nikon DSLR. Neither matched the Leica X1 pictures regardless of the lens. Bodies and lenses just add up, so the way I see it $ 1200 for X100 or $2200 (with Olympus EVF) for X2 are the same. Way less than a lens system, which in the long term one cannot resist. The 10 lens syndrome.
One can also get a tiny glass black $140 Panasonic OVF which is clear and looks like a cool tiny spy lens.
My son looked at the (larger) X100 and said "that one is too large". I agree. In the world of cameras 30% is a different league. Some do not care.
95% of my pictures are with LCD. I just seldom only use the EVF.
Early on my X100 pictures the focus was troubling, ignoring the subject and focusing on the background.
There is no question the X100 is the mass market winner here preferred by most.
Interesting alternatives will be the Pogue secret compact coming, the Sony, the Olympus XZ-2, the Olympus E-M5 with no EVF maybe coming. But sensor wise the X100 and the X1/2 they have the larger sensors.
The comments on how large the EVF looks on the X2 is really a reflection of how small the X2 is. The EVF is small in the hand. I find that X2 smallness very attractive.
The review X2 could have been damaged through multiple careless hands or even more likely just plain poor quality control which seems endemic these days- witness the variety of satisfaction/dissatisfaction with some of the grossly expensive so called mobile 'phones' and poor after sales service. I suppose in Leica terms the X1/X2 are cheapies and would be relatively mass produced.
"For those wanting to decide just ask yourself if you would want the macro feature of the X100, or the video (its not that good), or the OVF/EVF built in or the faster f/2 lens."
This pretty much sums it up! Thanks a lot!
I am sorely tempted to sell all my Canon gear, all my Sony gear and just get the X2. One camera, one lens, simple. Just take pictures and enjoy :)
It would be nice to have a comparison of a compact system camera with one of its staple lenses vs. the X2. For instance, The OM-D + 24mm or NEX-7 + Zeiss 24mm. The prices are comparable.
Personally I am quite curious if the X2 will be as good in IQ compared to my NEX-7 + CV 35mm f1.4 Nokton. I am only using this one lens on the NEX now anyways :)
Despite the faster lens, built in OVF/EVF, low light performance, macro and not-good video feature….wow…such a long list… Well then seems that the only reason to get a X2 over X100 is the Leica label.
Steve can be subjective, as we all are. Personally, I think that he can protect a bit the M9 by not doing funny comparison tests that I would like to see, but I don't think he falls for company pressure. He can have brand likes, as we all have again, but even if sometimes he devotes lots of attention to one camera, in the long term I feel there's a balance. Anyone can have at any moment suspicions of hidden motives, but if one reads this page in the long term –which is always a pleasure for me– one can agree or not with the opinions, but also feel pretty sure they're free personal opinions, despite changes along time. So, Duke, I would eliminate those suspicions and enjoy the ride. Thanks Steve, thank you all. Personal opinion.
Out of the blue someone turns a (very common) poorer pre production camera firmware into some sort of Roswell Conspiracy. You've just gotta laugh at that! :D
Dear Steve,
I am sorry for what Duke has said, you are doing a great job, opinions may differ but we should be respectful to each others.
I personally believe that Leica is exploiting their past image by producing mediocre cameras sold at crazy prices. Yet it is only an opinion, nobody is threatening us to buy this or that camera.
Please keep up the excellent work, we love and appreciate your efforts.
Thanks steve for your great work.
Does your comment add anything interesting to the discussion like many other people have done instead? Pathetic!
Steve, I re-read my post and I really feel I have to apologise for my tone and for my too much "spontaneous" energy, truly hope no offence was given.
Looks like x100 still rocks. What a shame to Leica…. :)
The pre-production cameras were focusing well even with earlier beta firmware. It's primarily the increased frame rate off the sensor that gives the X2 an AF speed advantage over the X1. Steve's silver test camera simply isn't working the way it should.
I find this whole thread disturbing. Steve, you've always embraced stating your opinion and respecting the opinion of others. The fact that you would invite someone to never visit your site again seems to go against what makes your site good. This whole thread is very personal, there is a mob mentality to attack anyone who makes a comment or holds an opinion in conflict with yours. Duke's comment may have been out of line…but the response by all was more out of line. This does not represent what I've come to expect from this website.
Steve, people are rude and ignorant. You do an absolutely AMAZING job. How people experience cameras and view images is not a black and white thing so you will never make everyone happy. That being said, Your reviews are awesome,honest and heartfelt and your passion for what you do is matched by few. We geeks are lucky to have you in our lives. keep it up. Lou
Thanks for the review Steve. I bought an X1 for myself and an X100 for my son. The X1 has been fun as a simple travel camera when I don't want to carry my DSLR yet want better IQ than my iPhone can shoot. The X100 is great for him for the versatility it provides. I had ordered a replacement X2 but canceled it after I read these reviews.
Two additional points to all that has been said:
– I love using the Leica OVF on my X1. It is clear, bright, and trouble free. It can be a joy having no digital distractions as you focus on composing an image. With the OVF the X1 (and X2) looks the clear descendant of that Leica 0-series
– Leica has a fraction of the resources needed to bring to market all new camera gear compared to Fuji, one would think that Leica would at least better support it's customers with major software upgrades to help designs like the X1 last longer, but the opposite has been the case, Fuji has done the better job IMHO supporting the X100 with meaningful software fixes, owning an updated X100 today feels a bit better than owning an obsolete X1
Me too I cancelled the X2 but now I reordered cause things look OK now. Took over 1 year of sticky X100 syndrome before they fixed it. If they fixed it.
I'm an X100 owner and for some unknown reason are very inerested in the X2. After your initial review I sort of dropped the idea of buying it, but now I'm back on the fence. Mainly because it is smaller and improved battery life. I don't really mind losing the OVF, but are curious about operating and speed. You say the X2 now is about the same as the X100, but is there or do you feel the same "lag" as on the X100 when using it? I'm thinking about how the frame/LCD freeze when locking focus?
Btw, thanks for the updated comparison.
Does the external viewifinder attach securely to the X2 with some locking device or does it just slide in.
The title of this post had me worried since I just ordered the black X100 on Saturday…glad I can still be happy with my purchase. Also glad the X2 produces better images than earlier thought–the earlier ones weren't exactly up to what one hopes is a reasonable Leica standard.
Thanks again for the comps as they were hugely helpful in my decision. All the best.
Steve, you are a servile monkey – maybe you have 10-15 fans, whoes comments appeare on your site, but on the internet, you are considered a talentless idiot, just like ken rockwell.
I know I'm such a loser. Pathetic really. But then again I don't randomly throw out flippant accusations that are so far from reality, not to mention rude and disrespectful. You want me to "add to the conversation", I think you're a fake and have no right calling out a person's integrity in the worst possible way. I could keep going…people who are a**holes on the Internet are my #1 pet peeve in life but I'll stop there. Ask hard hitting questions about the gear, not the reviewer. He's done plenty to prove himself.
I don't understand why Leica send a prototype camera for review. If you had purchased it, can you update the firmware and achieve the same result as a production unit?
Agreed, Steve. I already have a NEX-7, so my decision to recently buy an X100 was based quite a bit on form factor. I like the concept of the X-Pro1, but it is a considerably bigger camera, at least if you're using the 35mm lens, which is the one I'd choose. When the 23mm lens comes for the X-Pro1, it'll also be considerably bigger than the X100's lens, too, because the X100 conceals several of its lens elements in the camera body itself.
Please try to take some shots with a lot of bokeh (shallow depth of field). I would very much like to see how much bokeh can be squeezed out of that f 2.8 lens. Thanks again!
Thanks, Steve! I appreciate your thoughts, and excellent images.
I am thinking that the X2 certainly "speaks" to me more than the X100, as did the X1, though I purchased neither, yet, as my target date for a compact, non-interchageable-lens, mirror-less camera is late 2013. (I have handled the X1 and X100 at a local dealer.) It is good to see that the X2 has improved upon the X1, without adding unnecessary baggage such as video. I actually like the look of an external EVF, do not mind the bulk, and being left-eye-dominant, prefer the camera's body not blocking my right eye.
Oh duke, I"m not adding anything to the discussion except to point out that you with your comments about steve's approach to the review deserve a scolding!!
don't know why I wasted my time to write that… except that I"m still laughing:-)
If you love the fuji, hooray. If you love the Leica, x2 hooray. (get it,x2, times 2 hooray!).
They are different sized cameras don't forget….
Really, I thought you are testing another X, i.e. the RX 100, soon? :)
Yes, interesting… Actually i think the new sony kind of jumps to nex-3's feet. And i think its better that way. Nex-3 is just a little worse nex-5 without any benefits over the 5, but the new one could have many good things that nex-5 doesn't have. Like better compactness? Shall see. Thanks Steve for doing this re-comparison, good work.
I prefer the X1 over the X100 and the X100 over the X1. That's why I have and keep both ;). If it has to fit into a jacket pocket or small belt pouch it's the X1. If a RF alike shooting experience is preferred, it's the X100. Both produce stellar files. If I could have only one, I would pick the Fuji.
I just received my brand new X2 today, and I loved reading Steve's reviews of the camera, although honestly, I was going to buy one anyway as I am just a Leica fan.
I got lucky, in that I had no idea the X2 was coming out to replace the X1 that I had sitting in my wish list at B&H for quite awhile. I had promised myself I wouldn't buy it before I sold my old G1, and just when my G1 sold, out came the news about the X2.
Anyway, I have one real disappointment so far and it's seems so simple, yet I don't think it was mentioned, maybe I'm wrong, so don't bash me if I missed it please. But the X2 doesn't allow you to add a simple lens filter in front of the lens to protect it from dust, fingerprints, whatever. This is odd to me, I don't own a single lens without some kind of protective filter on it. Usually just a simple UV filter, but the real reason is to protect the lens. So, now I have this super expensive Leica camera and no accessory available to protect the lens. Very strange oversight to me. I've always been proud that all my lenses are 100% perfect as there is always a filter protecting them. This time, there seems to be no solution.
Maybe Leica did this on purpose. They know you care about the image quality, you can get the most out of these new cameras.
Steve, thank you for un update. Now the difference between X100 and X2 is really just a matter of taste. I am glad to see that I was not the only one pixel-peeping at your X2 review :)
I seriously do not believe that Steve is doing any monkey business. I have been an avid viewer of this site for at least two years. Everything I see appears genuine and truthful. Just because he really likes Leica, doesn't mean he is lying about stuff to make Leica seem like the sacred cow of photography.
He is doing this service for the masses, and many readers of this blog have made decisions to spend serious money on whatever camera they chose. I bought the new OM-D largely due to his review. Strangely, I found everything he said to be truthful. So, if you think he is fabricating the X-2 shots, get a pair of them and try it for yourself. The fact is, you can buy the newest version, shoot it for a few days and test the focus your self.
I personally find the information on this site fair and accurate. Keep up the good work, Steve!
Bonjour Betty. It seems that you forgot an important point (for you) : the resale value of the X2.
I'm very curious, how many X2 will you buy/resale making profit this time ?
Text A, B, C at 555-FOOL and win a free hug from ma Betty !
For a p/s camera with a hefty price tag, Leica clearly needs to have better quality control. I cannot tell if this is an issue with design tolerance, a manufacturing defect, a design defect or a part defect. I wonder if you test a 3rd x2, will the results be different or the same?
To hank –
"If you love the fuji, hooray. If you love the Leica, x2 hooray. (get it,x2, times 2 hooray!)."
Now THAT's funny!
Would Leica have scolded you if the review was negative?
he did admit that he would buy it for the Leica name.
correction: he would take the free Leica.
Yes. But the X2 is a Leica and costs 50% more.
I recall finding at least one solution for adding a filter to the X1 last year. If I remember correctly, a metal barrel screws onto the X1 itself, and the lens extends and retracts within this barrel. The filter attaches to the end of the barrel opposite the camera. While this would obviously add some bulk, it would certainly add some level of protection to the lens.
Zetlorf you are rude.
Steve, Just wanted add to add my voice in thanking you for your honest reviews and for all our time and effort in sharing those with all of us.
Yes, I am glad you are now done with the X-camera comparisons. I have been waiting for a full review of the Nikon D800 but instead we just got a snippet from you before you had to send the D800 back. If the D800 is a real DSLR game changer, I hope you get your hands on another one so that you can do a real extensive testing. Better yet, try and get your hands on a D800E. I can see the D800E, without the anti-aliasing filter, to be a real rival of the M9 as far as image quality goes.
haha, I always try to be funny, but usually only one or 2 people get it…. i bought a nex 7 and sometimes I cry about that… see, its not always funny.
Betty, you really do have a bug up your ass over the X100. I suggest that in the interest of your own emotional health you get over it. And, btw, the sticky aperture blade problem didn't affect "many" X100's, it affected a small percentage of early run units before Fuji resolved it. So, you might as well stop your trash talking now, because we happy X100 owners will continue to take great looking photographs with our cameras no matter what you think.
Hey, if someone accused me of deliberately falsifying my review I'd be a little steamed too. Understandable.
As fan #16, I would like to thank Steve for the honesty and forthrightness of his reviews and for his site generally. I bought my X100 and my NEX-7 on the strength of his insights (using his links, btw). There are lots of great camera reviews on the web, but I've found Steve's real-world approach to be the most useful.
Admit it, you're a closet fan. It's okay, Leica [and stevehuffphoto.com] addiction is an affliction shared by many……….it's nothing to be ashamed of…….
"I am sorely tempted to sell all my Canon gear, all my Sony gear and just get the X2. One camera, one lens, simple. Just take pictures and enjoy"
Do it! And don't complain to us later how limiting that fixie is, which you will.
Waaaahhhhhh Scot. We're sorry you felt uncomfortable about Steve responding to a poster accusing him of favoritism in a review with a definitive explanation as to why he posted the review. Perhaps after your next diaper change, you can cry about my demeaning response to your childish complaint. Waaaaaaahhhh.
Great to hear that you've reordered you X2. You finally have a buyer ?
Everyone knows that black cameras produce sharper images then silver ones, just no one really wants to admit it.
Thanks for the update Steve!
This is my first time commenting here, but I have been following your blog for quite some time now. Thanks for this follow-up, I am gifting this camera to my wife and am very interested in every single comparison between it and the X100. After checking the new samples I still have a strong feeling this new firmware isn't focusing correctly, it just looks like a standard "back focus" issue. Don't you have this feeling? I also don't think there should be such a visible difference in sharpness between the X100 and the X2 (with the 1.0 firmware)? And just to be sure, Leica released a new firmware but you can't download and update the firmware of the silver X2?
Thanks again!
Thanks for the reply. Just to let you know, your test Leica was not the only one with the Focus problem, check the pics from the link bellow, they are completely out of focus and he didn't notice as well. Please delete this post if I can't post links here, I just wanted to show you that this was indeed a firmware problem.
I don't.
Evidence please!
Hey steve I am really struggling I want to buy a X2 or a X100 but don't know which one, money isn't really a problem I just want the best one.
My dad was always a Leica fan and he gave me an old Leica but not digital, since now I've always been using small compact cameras like Lumix with Leica lens and I still manage to make nice shots, I love B/W and playing with the settings. I refuse myself to buy those big Canon or Nikon that everybody has, im more into the style of the x2 or X100 small easy to use and good quality.
If the X2 would have a viewfinder no questions asks I would buy the Leica, but since the X100 seems to have more stuff I don't know which one to choose, the Leica seems to have a slightly better image quality, am I right?
I just want the best one I've been looking at all your reviews about it, but I still cant picture which one takes the best pictures :D I know that its a matter of taste for the colors but not for Image quality I guess.
Thank you for your fast answer, so the X100 is faster than the X2 but how spontaneous is it to take a picture with the Leica? when you press the button do you have to wait 2s before it takes the picture just like on cheap compact cameras or does it take the shot very fast?
and what about the Fuji?
Have you tried the EVF on the leica? if yes how is it ? because it looks very big.
Would you command any other camera in that category? (not more expensive than the X2) :) thank you so much.


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i want to upload this trailer on my site.
Not impressed at all. The trailer is mostly Cruise and hardly showcases any other actors. This must be Tom Cruise's over inflated ego again. I did not care for the trailer for that reason. The time in the trailer should have been split between all the actors involved. I think I will pass on Cruise's movie because I don't care to see a film where he is in every frame. I just don't care for him as an actor.
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My story began with a desire to get a new system (GT80). The transaction was flawless, and like countless others, the service was stellar. But it is here that the 'extra mile' begins. Because I was so pleased with Donald and the gang, I decided to see if they could help us with a system that was giving us challenges. We had an old MSI GT70 that had been in need of MB repair, that had not even a year ago had its out of warranty $400 MB replaced by the MSI warranty station. Told 'matter of fact' that I was going to need another MB replaced didn't sit well with us. Based on the incredible experience I had with Donald and the crew at PowerNotebooks, I asked if they could be of service in remedying my challenge. They took on the task.
Now in the fantasy world, the story would end with miraculously they were able to fix it and send it back and all was well. Not so in this case.
I beg your indulgence though, and allow me to give a series of events...
Sent GT70, PN reviewed it, examined, could find only a loose video card which when re-seated seemed to fix the power not working issue.
PN Sent back GT70 to us, upon which in an hour, motherboard began smoking, and computer shut off permanently.
Sent back to PN, upon which they had no choice but to send to MSI, with the same result, except now needs new MB and 675m card total ~$900.
Did some research, found L2 Motherboard Repair Service to do circuit level diagnosis and repair for only $100 return shipping included.
Concerned that I may lose precious family vacation videos, Powernotebooks offered to download from my RAID 0 system all those videos onto an external Hard Drive and send it to me at no cost to me. Anyone who knows data retrieval/transferring knows this is indeed a blessing to have this done and to have the drive given complimentary without charge.
PN then sent the machine to NY to L2 for repair.
L2 was successful in ONE DAY diagnosing a failed capacitor on the MB, but said the video card needed to be replaced for $350.
Spoke with Donald to bring him up to date, and he offered a NVIDIA 880m as a replacement, with all BIOS data and Heatsinks for $400, and sent them to L2 in NY.
PN also replaced components of the power supply that were old, as well as the chassis that was incorrectly replaced by MSI for my model.
L2 returned machine back to us postage paid, and today it works better than when I first purchased it 3 years ago. I have a better system today than when I bought it...
At my insistence, I told Donald to send me the total for any extra charges/shipping they had to do...I have yet to receive that bill...and I suspect I never will.
If I was reading this review, my only response would be an open jaw and amazement. My faith says to go the extra mile...to go beyond what one would expect when being of service. In 15 years of purchasing over 10 laptops for business and recreation, I have NEVER experienced that level of dedication of service EVER. In a lifetime of dealing with companies that claim a shared faith behind what they do, I have found most of those companies treated me WORSE than other companies that have chosen NOT to embrace or have any faith basis in their business dealings openly.
To Donald, Trevor, Don, Nita, and the many others of whom I may not have met, but were integral in bringing our family such an incredible end result, I want to publicly say how grateful we are with this heartfelt review. Not only that, but your example of service inspires US to do better as we service our business clients as well! In truth, there really isn't any way I can explain just how amazing this company is...no company is perfect and maybe others have had different experiences, but in our time with PowerNotebooks, this is as terrific as it gets!!
Eternally grateful,
Dr. J
"I ordered a laptop on the 3rd of September and just now got around to writing this review. The laptop is the 8651s (which I don't see listed on their site anymore), and feels very nice to use. The person I worked with was Donald, however I did call a couple times just to get an update on the status of my order and the lady who answered was very courteous as well. I ordered my laptop on 9/03 and received my laptop on 9/16. This seems fair as there was a holiday during that time frame so I knew it would delay it just a bit. The laptop has been great since I got it, and I would definitely recommend powernotebooks in the future."
"Donald is a very friendly guy who helped me a lot when going through the purchase process of my MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 4K-053. I initially purchased the MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 4K-605 but Donald called me to tell me that the new MSI GS60 with the new Skylake processor and DDR4 ram was coming out in a week. I definitely waited for the new one and the best thing was that it was the same price! PowerNotebooks.com offers great products and have fantastic customer service that will help you solve all the problems you have. Highly recommend them if you are buying high end notebooks."
"I recently ordered from PowerNotebooks.com i wanted a gaming laptop that was user up-gradable in the future (components not soldered to the motherboard) I picked their PowerPro line which are MSI barebones. For the hardware that i got i would have paid over $500 more everywhere else i looked! And the best thing is you can choose which parts you do or do not want. I got my laptop without ram because i wanted Mushkin (made in the usa)! The turn around was not to bad took about 14 days to get the laptop but parts had to come in to build it i guess the packaging was exceptional my box showed up with out any dents! The thing that i like the most was i asked alot of questions i talked to Donald and he was so helpful! He responded to all my questions with in hours of the email being sent! Over all im very satisfied with my new gaming laptop!!! I7 4700mq Nvidia 880m with 8gb ddr5, 120gb ssd 8gb of ram all for under $1000.00!!!!! I bought the ram from other store though cause i wanted mushkin. "
"Laptop came as ordered and in timely manner considering the back-to-school season."
"Ordered an MSI GT72 Dominator G-1667. At the time, Arkham Knight was being included as a giveaway for the Nvidia card. Given it's issues, and MGSV being bundled elsewhere I asked if I could get a code for that. Donald was kind enough to include a code for both.
I had originally requested the standard shipping, but as it got closer to the end of the month and my impatience got the better of me, I called in to look at changing the shipping method and they were happy to accommodate.
The laptop and extras all arrived in time and in excellent condition. I have some minor gripes with some of the Laptop's design choices, but nothing negative to say about powernotebooks. Will definitely be looking at them next time I need to buy a laptop.
Disclaimer: I was asked to come and leave feedback here."
"Fantastic experience; this is the best I've felt about a purchase in a very long time - I definitely recommend PowerNotebooks. Starting with the initial call, Donald was extremely helpful, patient, and knowledgeable on everything I asked. The staff are all very warm, welcoming, and sincere. They make sure you know what you want before you purchase, and they don't pressure you into buying. As far as price goes, I definitely feel like I got a great bang for the buck, and would gladly buy another computer from them. Fantastic customization and quality work. When I made the payment, I accidentally over-paid, but they were quick to reimburse me with no issue. Item arrived punctually and in great condition."
"My daughter is studying Digital Animation in college and needed a pretty powerful machine. I was referred to PowerNotebooks.com by a good friend and I have to say it was the right choice.
A tremendous thanks to Donald our sales adviser for his help, guidance, and advice through the entire process, especially with an huge unexpected issue that came up. First, the equipment needed for our build was late getting shipped to them and then when it did arrive it was discovered that the laptop we ordered could not be configured with 32gb of RAM due to a change to the motherboard by the manufacturer. This was evidently unknown to PowerNotebooks.com. Donald called me personally and apologized. He then advised me on another laptop that could be configured just how we wanted and it came with an even better graphics card than the original laptop we had ordered. Still at the same price we had already paid. What made me nervous was that my daughter was leaving for college in a few days and we needed it delivered before she left. We had paid for the 2-5 day rush with free ground shipping. Donald and the staff got it built and then overnight shipped it to make sure it was delivered as promised. For no extra charge.
The personal service and effort Donald put in to make sure we got the best product at the best price, all while making sure to honor the commitment to have it shipped and delivered when promised was greatly appreciated. This purchase was a big investment for us and for my daughter and one that hopefully will serve her well throughout her college years and beyond.
It was truly a pleasure doing business with PowerNotebooks.com and I would highly recommend them to anyone."
"Laptops my family has purchased have always been amazing. They come on time and in great shap. doesnt even look as if someone had handled it or opened it up to change its guts.
4 star is due to last purchase. Product took around a month to reach me. The wait wasnt an issue. obv. im ok waiting for my custom laptop, however the lack of communication, and mr having to constantly check up was the biggest issue. lot of money to hear nothing until asked a question. If improve communications, an email start of every week if its late for update kinda thing, I would put a 5 star."
"I recently purchased my third laptop from Powernotebooks. All three have been laptops for my children for college. My oldest is a graduated film producer, my son an engineering student and avid gamer and my youngest just got the MSI GS 60 Ghost Pro. She games a bit but mostly is just a hard working student.
As always the order process was easy. I knew what I wanted and the sales people suggested some minor tweaks which were good ideas.
Build time 10 business days.
Arrived in excellent shape, exactly as ordered.
My daughter wanted windows 7 Pro instead of 8, which was standard and I paid over $100 extra for that. Other than an SSD upgrade, it was pretty much as listed on their website. pricy, but really nice quality all-aluminum casing and nothing extra added except the MSI software, drivers and SteeleSeries software for the keyboard. overall about $2000.
Now the fun started......
Windows 7 was not updated, not even a little bit excepting the inclusion of SP1 on the OEM disc.
There were over 250 updates that loaded over the next 48 hours. Unfortunately, if you even half way want to consider Windows 10 (free upgrade for a year) you need to update fully.
Next, none of the software worked. Now we didn't want any added things, but to make the laptop function fully, you need certain software (MSI exclusives such as the system monitor and SteeleSeries for the keyboard).
Nothing worked, neither before or after all the windows updates.
Now, Powernotebooks has very good customer service.
I contacted them by email and we worked through the problems.
Eventually I had to uninstall and reinstall the proper software obtained from the MSI site.
I tried using in particular the SteeleSeries driver from their website first and it did not work.
Apparently MSI modifies some of the software to work with their laptops.
Now, I give cudos to the customer service. Problem solved pretty much. I did have to do some research of my own on line to understand the nuiances of the laptop software, but it was quality learning that was helpful.
My biggest concerns are the following:
The laptop left their business without being up to date on the OS.
The laptop left their business dysfunctional as it applies to software particular to the function of the machine.
Those QA issues are unacceptable. Especially when you are asked to pay extra for the OS version (now 2 generations old).
My daughter is not a software engineer. Sure she has grown up using a computer, but she should not be expected to know how to troubleshoot.
The product should be 100% ready on arrival. Anything else is just not acceptable and is why one pays the premium price.
Powernotebooks explanation: our customers are primarily "power users" and want to do those things individually, to their liking.
I think not.
Sending out an incomplete product is unacceptable.
I like the laptop, it is very well constructed and finally works like it should. But I could have purchased the same thing from newegg.
Update 26 August: Powernotebooks has contacted me and we have discussed the issues with this particular order.
"I recently contacted PowerNotebooks.com for help with choosing and purchasing a new notebook. I reached Donald, one of their associates. I explained that I was looking for a powerful machine, that could handle occasional gaming, photo editing, and something that was future proof. I already had several machines in mind, but Donald helped make the decision very simple. Just FYI, I am electronically savy but by no means a computer guru. He dove into CPU's, GPU's, the different connections and interfaces. He explained why some are replaceable and how others aren't and the Pros and Cons of both as upgrading was important to me. We also got into HHD's, SSD's, and internal vs external optical drives - comparisons, speeds (writing/reading), connections; USB 2.0 vs 3.0 vs internal. He gave me stats and real performance comparisons, everything I could have found online in a day's worth of research all in a matter of an hour. Yup, he spent an hour on the phone with me going into more detail than anyone would ever ask for. Now that's customer service! He also explained how to properly use my SSD for the OS and other programs and the HHD for storage, as well as touching on the different displays available, viewing angles, picture quality, etc. I ended up choosing the MSI GE 62 Apache Pro 055 and I'm very happy with my purchase. PowerNotebooks offers a cash discount that is relatively simple to complete that saved me approx $50 on the full purchase. They even offered me a code for an older title game since I wasn't intetested in Batman Arkham Knight. I was so pleased with PowerNotebooks I elected to give them my business and wait two weeks to receive my purchase even though my local PC shop had these in stock and available. Plus, I knew I was getting a machine directly from MSI versus one sitting on a shelf in a warehouse for an extended time.
My only complaint is that the notebook I bought was reduced in price $100 before I even received mine and the only way for me to get the discount was to return mine and reorder another. I would have deducted 1 star for this but after contacting PowerNotebooks I learned that they paid the full price as well and that the reduction came from MSI and not the vender. However, I do urge vendors to be transparent about any known future price drops with their customers as I would have gladly waited for the discount.
To summarize:
Customer Sevice: 5+stars
Ease of Navigating Website and Completing Purchase: 5 stars
Ease of Completing Cash Discount Through Bank of America Online Wire Transfer:
3 stars (checks are not excepted, but money orders would be a nice option, the wire transfer option does take a few days to complete)
Turnaround Time: 3 stars (10-14 business days)
Price: 5 stars (best I could find)
Overall Satisfaction: 4 stars
I gave 5 stars in review as I didn't feel that the 3 stars had an impact on my overall experience with PowerNotebooks."
"I thought it would be difficult to post a review right after purchase because of the emotions you get when you open the box. It has been a couple of months since I have purchased my computer, and my emotions haven't wavered since that beautiful moment. My computer is amazing, but I expected that with a custom built laptop. Playing games from 10 years ago is a completely new experience, but again I expected that with a custom built laptop. What I didn't expect was the customer service. That was a selling point to me. Donald, the Sales Associate, I owe a debt of gratitude. I am not in the "know" with computer technology. Now, that fact right there is enough for most salesman to rub their hands to gether with the evil smile on their face as they are about to prey on a new one. He was on the phone with me for more than 2 hours. This guy right off the bat explained to me how people buy "testosterone" driven custom laptops. Meaning that people are adding on the moon, but in their computing experience would never use the moon. He then explained every add on and technology, and how each add on and technology are used in real situations. This gave me a crystal clear idea of the type of computer I needed to build. When all was said and done I had built one heck of laptop, but with Donald's thoroughness I saved about $1500 dollars of unnecessary add ons. I was in complete shock at how Power Notebooks wanted me to know what I was buying, and I was even more impressed that they wanted me to save money. Literally that's how Donald sold me my computer. I am forever grateful and thank you Power Notebooks for being so amazing."
"The people at PowerNotebooks.com were great to deal with. Donald answered all of my questions and was very helpful during the whole process. My machine was built exactly like we agreed upon and ran smoothly right out of the box. Highly recommend these guys!"


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Obama & Clinton Square Off in Pennsylvania
Voters are heading to the polls today in Pennsylvania for the closely watched Democratic primary between Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. On Monday, Clinton unveiled a new television ad invoking Pearl Harbor and Osama bin Laden in an attempt to question whether Obama is ready to be president. The ad features the first image of bin Laden to be used in a TV ad this political season.
Narrator: "It's the toughest job in the world. You need to be ready for anything, especially now with two wars, oil prices skyrocketing and an economy in crisis. Harry Truman said it best: 'If you can't stand the heat. get out of the kitchen.' Who do you think has what it takes?"
Hillary Clinton: "I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approved this message."
Clinton: US Could "Totally Obliterate" Iran If Iran Attacks Israel
Senator Clinton also ratcheted up her rhetoric toward Iran on Monday. During an interview that will air today on ABC News, Clinton said she would "totally obliterate" Iran if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.
Obama Accuses Clinton of Employing "Politics of Fear"
The Obama campaign responded to Clinton's new TV ad by accusing her of employing "the politics of fear." Within hours, the Obama campaign released its own ad.
Narrator: "Who has what it takes to really bring change, to finally take on the special interests, not take their money? Who made the right judgment about opposing the war and had the courage and character to speak honestly about it? And who, in times of challenge, will unite us, not use fear and calculation to divide us?"
Barack Obama: "We are one people. All of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes. All of us defending the United States of America. I'm Barack Obama, and I approved this message."
Clinton Faces Delegate and Money Shortfall
Even if Hillary Clinton wins today in Pennsylvania, she will remain far behind Obama in both the pledged delegate count and the overall popular vote. New campaign records also show Clinton is trailing Obama in the money race. With nine contests still to go, Obama has $42 million in the bank, Clinton has $8 million.
Pentagon Allows More Felons to Enter Army
New Pentagon statistics show the number of felons recruited by the Army more than doubled last year. Between September 2006 and 2007, the Army granted so-called conduct waivers for felonies and misdemeanors to 18 percent of its new recruits. Conduct waivers were given to recruits convicted of burglary, grand larceny, kidnapping, making terrorist threats, rape or sexual abuse, and indecent acts or liberties with a child. Congressman Henry Waxman, chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, released the statistics yesterday. Waxman said, "The significant increase in the recruitment of persons with criminal records is a result of the strain put on the military by the Iraq war."
Army Expands Involuntary Extensions of Duty
Meanwhile, USA Today reports the Army has accelerated its policy of involuntary extensions of duty to bolster its troop levels, despite Defense Secretary Robert Gates's order last year to limit it. Since last May, the number of soldiers forced to remain in the Army through stop-loss has increased by 43 percent. The reliance on stop-loss has soared as the military has sent more troops to Iraq and extended tours to fifteen months to support the so-called surge.
Israel Rejects Offer from Hamas After Carter Visit
The Israeli government said on Monday it sees no change in Hamas's positions after a visit by former President Jimmy Carter to the region. After a meeting with Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, Carter suggested Hamas would be willing to make peace with Israel.
Jimmy Carter: "They said that they would accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders if approved by Palestinians and that they would accept the right of Israel to live as a neighbor next door, in peace, provided the agreements negotiated by Prime Minister Olmert and President Abbas was submitted to the Palestinians for their overall approval."
But Israeli government spokesperson David Baker rejected the offer.
David Baker: "Israel is targeted on a daily basis by rocket barrages from Hamas-controlled territory in the Gaza Strip. Hamas is an enemy of Israel. Today, they critically injured a four-year-old Israeli boy. Israel sees no change in Hamas's extremist position."
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal said on Monday that Hamas accepts the establishment of a Palestinian state on land occupied by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war but would not recognize the Jewish state.
Khaled Meshaal: "We accept a state starting from the borders of June 4 in addition to the other rights we ask for, but without recognizing Israel. We have offered a ten-year truce after Israeli withdrawal to the borders of June 4, 1967 as an alternative to the recognition. This is the clear vision of Hamas."
Report: Israel to Pay Family of Slain British Filmmaker
In other news from the region, Israel has reportedly agreed to compensate the family of a British filmmaker who was fatally shot by an Israeli soldier in the Gaza Strip in 2003. Haaretz reports Israel will pay $3.5 million in compensation to the family of James Miller. Miller was killed while making a film about the impact of violence on children in the region.
Congress Urged to Probe Pentagon Propaganda Program
The media advocacy group Free Press is calling on Congress to investigate the Pentagon's propaganda program that recruited dozens of retired military officers to appear on TV to help sell the Iraq war. Free Press Executive Director Josh Silver said, "Government-sanctioned propaganda violates every conceivable standard of journalism. That it has been allowed to continue unquestioned and undisclosed for years is an indictment of both this White House and a docile American media."
CNN Hires Ex-White House Press Secretary Tony Snow
In other media news, CNN has hired former White House spokesperson Tony Snow to serve as a news commentator. Snow worked as President Bush's chief spokesperson up until September. Prior to his stint as White House press secretary, Snow worked at Fox News. Snow is the second top former Bush administration official to land a prominent television gig. Former White House Senior Adviser Karl Rove has been appearing on Fox News as a commentator since February.
New HUD Nominee Has No Experience in Housing Issues
President Bush's nominee to head the Department of Housing and Urban Development is coming under criticism, because he has no apparent background in housing issues. Last week, Bush nominated Steve Preston to replace outgoing Secretary Alphonso Jackson. Preston is currently head of the Small Business Administration. He is a former executive with ServiceMaster and was an investment banker with Lehman Brothers. Democratic Senator Christopher Dodd has questioned why Bush would select a nominee with no expertise in housing issues while the country is facing the biggest housing crisis in recent history.
Bush Has Highest Disapproval Rating in History of Gallup Poll
Meanwhile, President Bush has set a new record. He now has the highest disapproval rating of any president in the seventy-year history of the Gallup Poll. In the most recent USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, 69 percent of Americans disapproved of Bush's job performance. The previous record was held by Harry Truman, who had a 67 percent disapproval rate in 1952. Bush also holds the record for having the highest approval rating of any president in Gallup's history. In September 2001, in the days after the 9/11 attacks, Bush's approval spiked to 90 percent.
Ex-Justice Dept. Official Charge in Abramoff Scandal
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Life Expectancy Falls for American Women in 1,000 Counties
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Supreme Court Rejects Appeals from 11 Death Row Inmates
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The horses and riders of the Rocky Mountain College Equestrian Program will present their annual Winter Drill at 1 p.m. Friday, Dec.r 7. Open to the public, the event is. at the Intermountain Equestrian Center, 7256 U.S. Highway 3.
The themes of the event are: "Christmas," "Can-Can Dancers," "Cops and Robbers" and "Superheroes and Supervillains." Students and horses, attired in costumes, will perform entertaining drill routines that showcases their equestrian skills.
Each riding class presents its own theme and drill routine. Complete with four jumps and 12 riders, the hunters jumping class will maneuver through obstacles themed in red and white for the "Holidays."
"Superheroes and Supervillains," will be performed by the freshman class. The advanced training horses will be "Cops and Robbers." The colt breaking class will be "Can-Can Dancers," riding to the likes of the Moulin Rouge soundtrack.
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Star Wars gets away with it because its a fantasy realm, its not in any way shape or form connected to our Earth or galaxy. Its medieval knights in space or something..
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Yep. I don't see this as an issue at all. Star Trek is as much "space fantasy" rather than sci-fi as SW is. I don't see it becoming out of date, and they can always make it so the Trek universe is in a slightly different reality than our own to explain discrepancies when things like "first contact with the Vulcans" doesn't happen in 2063.
Folks still like the "Terminator" and "2001" series, and those are very inaccurate now.
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On a purely looks basis, they look pretty decent..
But on a hammer it home basis, how good are they usage wise?
On a purely looks basis, they look pretty decent..
But on a hammer it home basis, how good are they usage wise?
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they look cool. but in an older thread somebody was saying that
the ISIS BB sucks because the bigger axle means smaller and less durable
well apparently FSA knows something you don't
Thanks, I just ditched the idea because of the carbon fiber center...
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who are you talking to and what is your point. I dont mean this as an offence I justOriginally Posted by serbaside
dont understand what you are saying.
I've had good luck with their roadie cranks and ISIS BB so far. Not sure about the carbon center on this one, but hopefully someone will see if it breaks for us.
Well you are saying that ISIS bottom brackets are not durable, but they are continued to be made. FSA is a quality brand and I feel that if ISIS is a horriable set-up then they would never have started to make them in the first place. So, it seems you don't have all the facts.
Just because the bearings are smaller doesn't make them less durable. I don't have a degree in physics so I can't give you any hard facts on force, weight load, etc. All I know is a the splined setup can take greater forces (just at in your tools at home, star > hex head > phillips > flat head). Also what is defective about the bearings? The race? because you sure as h3ll are not going to be able to actually brake a bearing.
I dont have any ISIS BB and therefore no experience. I just forwarded what I was told (by bikkhu I think).Originally Posted by Serbaside
Since he is a messenger in harsh conditions in Finland I thought he has some negative experience.
Everybody was saying in that old thread how much ISIS sucks and I asked why. Maybe its just this
oldskool reflex that everything new sucks.
I beg to differ on this one point. My vehicle has torx head bolts, and I use every chance I can to remove them because they do not handle repeated use. This is real world.Originally Posted by Serbaside
ISIS does have a rep of creaking a lot. I'm not sure where I heard it, but I wanted to ask because of that and other issues.
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damn, they look so pretty too ....(was considering them for my next ride)
Has it ever occured to anyone that FSA has made their BB/Cranks propriatary? You want FSA cranks you gotta buy the BB to go along with it. Doesn't make it good or bad but I don't believe that FSA has stayed with the design because it's "better".
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other manufacturers make isis cranks/bb's [race face are one, can't be bothered to think of others right now]
it's pitched as the alternative to shimano's patented spline system.
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Does RaceFace make road cranks? Still if you want to buy FSA cranks you have to buy the BB to go with it. This could also be said of Campy (tapered) and Shimano (Octalink). However my point was that just because FSA uses ISIS drive doesn't inherently make it good.
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OK sohi I will admit a one thing about ISIS (Truvativ inparticular) I have a Team Gigapipe SL and Karsten is right about the creaking, in fact it creaks like a old house with wood floors. But I don't have yet to have any trouble with it. The creaking is not a "metal to metal" scraping and I'm not sure what it is, but it has done it ever since brand new right out of the box.
Truvativ is the one I heard had problems and not ISIS in particular, though ISIS was mentioned, more as a subset to the problem. So perhaps these FSA cranks aren't all that bad. I'm curious to if the cranks won't give way under foot on me. I'm a bit harsh on things at times.Originally Posted by Serbaside
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I don't know, but I wouldn't/couldn't relate to heavy or light mtb'ers.Originally Posted by MERTON
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Splined bottom brackets are stiffer, and not a new invention, they have been used on bmx bikes for years. I have a splined bb on my mtb, it is so much stiffer than the square taper it replaced. It's a race face, so I can't speak for the quality of the FSA, but haven't noticed any creaking or other problems over the past year or so. I don't know what you're willing to spend, but have a look at the newer dura ace track cranks, also splined and sweet as hell, expensive though.
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That's not quite true, the isis spline is available for anyone to use, and I don't think it was developed by fsa. The sad thing is that not many companies have picked up on it, raceface, truvativ, fsa, and I heard rumors of chris king bb's and cranks using isis a while back... I think the shimano spline(Octalink maybe? I forget.) is also availble for anyone who wants to use it, not sure who else does though.
ISIS is an open standard, anyone can make their own parts without having to pay a penny to the group that came up with the standard. If you want to make an Octalink compatible BB or crank, you must pay Shimano royalties.Originally Posted by luckycat
I've got an FSA Isis BB and it has just started cranking on really steep climbs. Damned annoying. If it had done it all along I'd have yanked it and chucked it in the rubbish.
It seems to me that if it's creaking there is something wrong with it.Originally Posted by Serbaside
Is Isis and Octalink the same thing? Cause I've got Octalink on my road bike and it sucks. Even when properly torqued the cranks can come loose and right off the start just putting them on brand new it was all soft and just plain sloppy fit.
The square spindle on my fixie has caused no problems.
FSA makes both ISIS and octalink. i should know, i have an FSA crank on my road bike that uses an octalink BB.
the biggest problem i have heard of with ISIS was with that ONE BB that sheldon brown got ahold of (happened to be an FSA model, lower end too), that sheered off because they had machined a little gutter-type thing into it right behind the splines. haven't heard anything else about any other ISIS BB breaking in this way since.
from a basic "this looks like it would work better" standpoint, i think ISIS is better than octalink. i know that the splines are machined so that there is much more contact between the crank and the spindle, i know that the spindle is slightly tapered (like, 1 degree) so you can get the crankarm onto the spindle and make sure that you're not going to mash the splines up while tightening the crankbolts down, and i know that there is a positive STOP on there when the crankarm is on. with shimano, you get none of that, and installing an octalink crank ir you've never done it before can be tricky and kinda nerve racking "is it on straight?! i don't know, i can't see in there! what if the splines aren't aligned!?!?"
as far as the FSA track cranks for fixed on the road use? hell no. don't even think about it. the spider and right crankarm aren't one solid piece. i think you'd end up having some serious problems with it after about a month of real world riding.
Splined BB's are supposed to provide more surface for your cranks to grip. I have one on my touring bike and I really really hate it. but that's also because it's a cartridge BB. Shimano's octalink is completely proprietary and anyone wanting to make compatible parts has to pay Shimano. ISIS is like Linux in that it's a free basis to build off of. no patent there, or at least a public one if any.
p.s.- I've just spent a week listening to pro mechanics ***** about how Shimano is making everything proprietary in order to make you buy new parts and more expensive ones. Run away from Shimano while you still can.
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Wow, ask a question, get a ton of answers!!!
This is what I [/I]love[I] about a good forum...
Thanks everyone, really!
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Stimulus package in motion for E.U.
The European Commission is drawing up plans for a stimulus plan for all of Europe. The package would total about $160 billion, the same amount as the first package for the U.S. Stephen Beard reports.
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PARIS (AP) - French soccer great Zinedine Zidane was turned down two years ago after offering to coach the country's national team.
France Football magazine published an excerpt Tuesday from Le Graet's book. The book, ''98 World Champions, Secrets and Power,'' is due this week.
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The Washtenaw County Historical Society Museum on Main Street was once a private 1830s home. Today the building houses a number of historic artifacts that relate the history of the area.
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The St. Louis Blues announced Tuesday that the club has agreed to terms with 36-year-old center Derek Armstrong to a two-way contract.
Armstrong played in 56 games with the Los Angeles Kings last season, scoring 5 goals and adding 4 assists for 9 points, along with 63 penalty minutes. He spent the last six seasons with the Kings after brief appearances with the Islanders, Ottawa Senators and New York Rangers, as well as a season in Switzerland.
His best offensive season was 2006-07, when he had 11 goals and 33 assists for 44 points with the Kings. His career high in goals is 14, in 2003-04.
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Welcome clarity on online sales in China for foreign investors from an unexpected source but uncertainty remains for the VIE structure
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