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Megan McArdle on the final health-care vote and why she opposes reform
Sunday, March 21, 2010; 2:00 PM
The Atlantic's Megan McArdle took your questions about the vote on the bill to reform the health-care system and why she opposes the overhaul.
At 1 p.m. ET, E.J. Dionne discussed why he supported the bill and what's next for the reform process.
Washington, D.C.: In the long term, isn't this a smart move for Democrats? The polls may not be totally on their side now, but Medicare and Medicaid have become quite popular. Why wouldn't the same happen with the health insurance bill?
Megan McArdle: Contrary to memes circulating among the Democrats, Medicare was popular when it was enacted--according to Gallup, and some other pollsters, Medicare always enjoyed a plurality of support. By contrast, the current gap between favorables and unfavorables is about -10%--meaning that more people are against passage than for it. Perhaps it will get more popular over time. But the public has not, to my knowledge, ever rewarded a political party for defying its will.
If the question is, will this bill be hard to repeal, I think the answer is yes. The parts that are unpopular are also the parts needed to make it work, like the individual mandate. Indeed, the big danger is that those parts will be repealed, and the resulting program will spiral completely out of control, bringing on some form of fiscal crisis.
But that won't help the Democrats. By the time it's popular, it will be too late to take credit. When was the last time you heard someone say, "I'm voting for the Democratic candidate because Lyndon Johnson passed Medicare?"
Jefferson City, Missouri: What do you think about the practice of "rescission"?
Megan McArdle: The practice of recission is common among all insurers; you cannot decide to go without homeowner's insurance, and then buy coverage only when the house is on fire. If they think you lied on your application, they will either charge you for the back premiums, or refuse to pay part or all of the claim.
The problem with recission is not that it exists; it's that the practice can be abused by insurers who would rather not pay legitimate claims. Unfortunately, it's hard to say what results from an underlying condition, and what doesn't--maybe your diabetes caused your heart attack, but maybe you would have had a heart attack anyway. So insurers are tempted to stretch the definitions of underlying conditions when they're faced with a big claim. It's not clear how often this actually happens--health care rallies always involve theatrical stories, but the stories often tend to be much less clear-cut upon investigation. And educated consumers can probably win on appeal . . . eventually. But there's a big risk to the most vulnerable.
It's not clear to me that the right answer is to ban the practice, because the problem with banning it is that you risk something like the classic "insurance death spiral". If health insurers can't get rid of you for fraud on your application, the temptation is obviously simply to wait until you get sick, and then lie to your insurer. Over time, that causes insurance prices to skyrocket, because the only people who want to buy the stuff are the ones who are actually sick. So something like automatic binding arbitration, or regulatory review, might work better. But politically, banning it is clearly the vote-getter.
Kalamazoo, Michigan: One of the most alarming statistics arising from the HCR debate was medicare's astronomical cost of about 700% above the CBO estimate to date. Can you maybe hit on some of the major causes contributing to that and why or why not this bill is differen't?
Megan McArdle: There was no CBO when Medicare was passed; in fact, the CBO was instituted precisely because previous politicians had made such patently unrealistic projections for their programs. My fiance had a very good article about this a few months ago: http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/10/legislative-reality-vs-politic
So do I think that this bill is going to have a 7X difference between projection and reality? No. The CBO is much better than that.
That is not, however, to say that I don't think this will be a budget buster--and Doug Elmendorf, the current head of the CBO, has made it pretty clear that he's worried too. That's why he has caveated his work so strongly, pointing out that the planned cuts are going to be politically tricky, and may not be medically feasible--i.e., that there is a limit to how little you can demand providers charge, before they simply decide not to take Medicare or Medicaid patients any more. We're already seeing this quite a lot with Medicaid; states set the reimbursements so low that doctors actually lose money on every visit. In some states, pharmacies are also starting to refuse Medicaid business. If that happens, the government will ultimately have to cave and raise reimbursements--as it already has to physicians with a series of temporary "doc fixes" to reverse Medicare's automatic payment cuts.
H. Protagonist, Los Angeles, CA: Megan,
Now that it appears that our legislators have figured out how to successfully game the CBO scoring process such that its scores are effectively irrelevant, what are those of us interested in getting an nonpartisan estimate of the probable cost of future legislation to do? Can the rules be changed such that the CBO provides a range of estimates, or performs a sensitivity analysis on bits of policy that are contentious or unlikely to be implemented?
Megan McArdle: The CBO process is the way it is for good reason. You really don't want the agency shooting down plans it doesn't like by deciding they're politically unfeasible--even if that's true. There's too much potential to game the process.
The problem is, of course, that Democrats have now learned how to game the CBO process by enacting unpopular tax increases that take place almost at the end of the 10-year forecast window (plenty of time to repeal them!) or providing some version of David Stockman's infamous "magic asterisk"--unnamed savings to be identified later.
The CBO process will still be useful for smaller bills, where cost is an actual consideration. But for large scale bills, both parties are going to simply enact a bunch of completely politically infeasible changes, and then claim they've balanced the budget. This is very dangerous.
The way we counter this is the way the Republicans have--by getting letters from the CBO analyzing what would happen if the imaginary changes are never allowed to take effect. The Democrats were very good at this, and the GOP is getting better. Paul Ryan recently got the CBO to do an analysis pointing out that if the excise tax and the Medicare payment cuts don't take effect, this bill will substantially increase the deficit.
Unfortunately, while they've proven adept at getting the letters, they've proven much less effective at getting anyone in the media to write about them.
Washington, D.C.: You've written a lot about the danger of inhibiting innovation in the health care sector. I understand the criticism if the move is to a single-payer system, but is there anything in this specific legislation under consideration that makes you emphasize the danger posed to innovation?
Megan McArdle: Well, for starters, we're slashing reimbursements to providers, which means that the potential profit from innovation is lower, and of course, there's less cash flow available to fund it. But to me the biggest worry is that this bill ends up costing a lot more than is currently projected--the problem that Massachusetts is now facing. Other countries facing that dilemma have all responded the same way: price controls.
Appleton, WI: Megan, since you support some form of income redistribution, and seem to support some form of health income supplementation, what is it that this bill gets the most wrong? Or is it simply its irresponsible long-term budget? This seems like an entitlement you support, if there were more first-dollar consumer discretion and funding. Do you really feel in all honesty that this bill will do more long-term harm to medicine than it will do short-term good, with the rate at which technology advances? I just don't see how the poor currently overeconomizing on health care is a positive curb on the system. Please help me agree with you that the bill isn't worth it over any time span.
Megan McArdle: One of the hardest problems that economists deal with is how to weight the interests of future people. The problem is, there are so damn many of them (we hope!). Because the number of people who will be alive in the future is so much larger than the number who are alive now, straight utilitarian calculus can easily lead you to say that people alive now should give up 90% of their income to do anything that increases the income of future people by a penny a year.
The natural answer is to discount the utility of people in the future--in much the way that you discount your own future utility, so that someone has to pay you (interest) in order to get you to defer consumption.
Unfortunately, because the future is very long, even a low discount rate ultimately means that you put basically no weight on people who are alive beyond about 50-100 years from now.
This is a big dilemma for environmental economics, and I think it is also a dilemma here. I am fairly skeptical of the claims that this bill will save thousands, or tens of thousands, of lives a year. (see here: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/03/myth-diagnosis/7905/) But even if you think this is true, placing any value at all on the lives of people in the future means that if you save those lives by causing even a small reduction in the rate of innovation (through price controls or regulation), you will end up killing far, far more people than you save. Compound interest is a killer.
I hope that's not too abstract and boring. It's a really tough, really interesting problem, and at some level, it's simply a value judgement about how to weigh the lives of current and future people.
But I'll note that both sides do this very inconsistently: the left wants a high weight on current lives and a low weight for future lives in analyzing health care, but wants to reverse this for the environment; the right takes the opposite stance. Or, in many cases, they simply deny that there is any possible tradeoff between current and future welfare. I find those denials pretty unconvincing--which is one of the reasons I'm for a carbon tax, and against this legislation. There's also the fiscal problem, which I've addressed in other questions.
Galt's Gulch, CO: Are you sorry that you voted for Obama now?
Megan McArdle: Counterfactuals are hard. It's not clear to me that McCain wouldn't have ended up doing a health care bill that was, at least, almost as bad--and I would have opposed his actions on many other fronts. Aside from health care and the GM bailouts, I don't have many quarrels with Obama so far.
Of course, those are big quarrels--the kind that make for broken marriages and icy thanksgiving dinners.
Princeton, NJ: As regards innovation:
The MRI was developed in Nottingham England
Statins (Lipitor, Crestor, etc.) were developed by two Japanese academics.
Most artificial joints were developed in France.
The treatment that Rudy Guilini said saved his life was developed in Denmark.
We have no monopoly on innovation.
Megan McArdle: I don't believe I said we did. I'm worried that innovation will slow, not stop--but at this point, the US is by far the most lucrative market for many kinds of innovation. Being the doctrinaire free-marketer that I am, I think that supply curves slope upwards--that when you keep the price of things artificially low, you get shortages. And the incentive of the government is usually to keep prices of the things it pays for artificially low. (Important exception: defense)
Hiram, Ohio: Hi Megan. In your earlier response on rescission you suggested that there was a danger then of people only signing up for insurance after they needed it, creating a death spiral. That might be true in isolation, but doesn't this bill require everyone to carry insurance all the time? I'm confused.
Megan McArdle: And indeed, that's why we are pairing an individual mandate with a ban on exclusions for pre-existing conditions. If you have guaranteed issue with community rating (i.e. you can't charge people extra for being extra sick), then you get the death spiral. You can have a market that allows exclusions, or a market with an individual mandate--but if you try to enact one without the other, you get a huge disaster.
Los Angeles, CA: Why so much liberal consternation about guns at town halls and violent threats and spitting and racial epithets and so on?
Can't they see the hypocrisy of this, given that they hung Bush in effigy and compared him to Hitler?
Megan McArdle: Yes, liberals are hypocrites, most of whom got mad when the right demanded that they denounce the crazies at left wing protests. Yes, the right has done a marginally better job of actually denouncing their crazies.
But in the end, what really matters is that the crazies are doing pretty evil and awful things that need to be denounced. The fact that liberals get to make a little bit of political hay out of this is a distant second, in terms of relative importance.
Los Angeles: Since it is forgone that if Health Insurance Reform fails this time, it will be many years before another attempt can be made, it must follow that in being opposed to reform now, you are willing to let the 45 million uninsured and the other 20 million underinsured continue in their plight. And that you are willing to let the economic drain on our economy by ever rising health care costs go unchecked. What possible practical or moral reason could you have for not doing something now?
Megan McArdle: You're begging the question. Economist Bryan Caplan describes a marvelous syllogism that animates a lot of political discourse:
1) Something must be done
2) This is something
3) Therefore, this must be done
This is the syllogism that got us into the Iraq war--and look how well that turned out!
There are worse things than the current status quo, and I think that this bill is one of them.
Moreover, in America, at least, there's huge lock-in to entitlements. No one in their right mind would enact Social Security or Medicare in their present forms, but they have so far proven totally impervious to meaningful reform. Doing a mediocre-to-terrible program now pretty much means that we foreclose the possibility of doing a decent reform. Any future health care bills will build on this basic structure. We will now never get away from it, if history is any guide; we'll just keep adding ill-fitting "fixes" that don't work very well.
Personal choice: If given the option, would you give up your health insurance for a cash payment from your employer for the amount they spend for your health insurance?
Megan McArdle: In my state (DC), yes I would. Part of the problem, though, is that the existence of a heavily subsidized employer market means that the individual market is secondary and weird--so it is not necessarily a good guide to what a more free insurance market would actually look like.
Los Angeles, CA: With the 3.8% increase in taxes on capital gains + the administration's proposed increase from 15% to 20%, it sounds like cap gains will go from 15% to 23.8%. How much impact will a 8.8/15=58.9% tax increase have on investment and on people creating startups?
Megan McArdle: It's pretty distressing that they've chosen to fund so much of this through capital income--the new 4% surcharge on royalties, rents, interest and dividends. There's a reason that even countries like Sweden tend to go light on their capital taxes; capital is mobile, and it's easy to chase away. It's also easy to prevent capital from being formed in the first place, encouraging people to consume now rather than save for the future.
Progressives like capital taxes because the rich tend to have more capital income. But it would be better to fund it through a higher tax on ordinary income. Unfortunately, that hits the professional classes hard, and they are a critical democratic constituency--particularly, in this case, those in the American Medical Association.
I can't make any particular prediction about the magnitude of the distortion, at least not without doing more research than I have time for right now. But obviously, this lowers the return investment, which means that on net, you'll probably get less of it. That means less capital available for entrepreneurs, or other investments.
Oh, and it's not entirely progressive. Renters will be glad to know that as soon as it takes effect, that 4% tax increase is probably going to show up as an increase in your annual rent, above and beyond whatever increase they were already planning.
Greensboro, NC: "Yes, the right has done a marginally better job of actually denouncing their crazies. "
When, exactly, has any major figure on the right denounced that activities we have seen at the Tea Party rallies? Who has denounced the carrying of loaded firearms to protests, or the vile incidents yesterday when African American congressmen were called racial epithets, and another congressman was spat upon? Who has denounced the numerous signs that call for actual armed revolt or the racist signs that picture Obama as a witch doctor? I have seen or nothing from any person of note on the right except for Drum or Kathleen Parker, and they have been denounced as apostates.
washingtonpost.com: GOP denounces slurs
Megan McArdle: The right was pretty fast to denounce any actual violence or racist catcalls--much faster than the left was, in my experience, to denounce Bush=Hitler signs.
Chicago, IL: Megan,
Don't we have a problem in that the fines for not buying the mandated insurance are less than the insurance itself costs. Thus, the healthier opt out for a given amount of time thus increasing the cost to insure the rest?
Megan McArdle: Yes, this is a big problem. Rationally, many people should refuse to buy insurance.
Will they? On the margin, undoubtedly some will. But I don't know how many. At a first guess, I'd expect to see the number of refuseniks to increase over time, as it becomes common knowledge that this is the financially rational move. But that's just a guess, and it doesn't take into account that if the number of those who "opt out" grows too fast, the government might increase the penalty.
Lafayette, IN: Given that the bill looks likely to pass, do you foresee any sort of widespread civil disobedience on the part of the young/healthy refusing to buy insurance they neither want nor need?
Megan McArdle: I doubt it will be framed as civil disobedience. I assume it will be phrased as, "I can't afford it, and I'd rather pay the tax"
Boston, MA: What do private health insurers contribute to the health care process?
Megan McArdle: They provide countervailing power to the health care providers; in markets where insurers aren't powerful enough, providers tend to have higher reimbursements. They also provide price discovery. If the private health insurance market didn't exist, Medicare would have to invent it, because it's the private health insurance market (including the non-profits), that figure out what things are worth buying in a competitive market place. It's certainly not a perfectly functioning market, but monopsonies (markets with a single buyer) tend to be less efficient than even sub-optimal markets with many players.
Metuchen, NJ: Now that the tea party people are calling Democrats "n-gger" and "f-ggot" and making death threats against them and the president, are you still willing to defend them?
Or are epithets just free speech, and threats of political assassination a sign that the free market for guns and ammo is alive and well?
washingtonpost.com: GOP denounces slurs
Megan McArdle: Obviously, I'm not going to defend anyone who shouted anything like that. But that's not the entire movement; it's some appalling people within a movement. Given how rare the incidents are, there is no way to fairly characterize them as representative.
So no, I am no more willing to denounce the entire movement based on a few bad apples than I would be willing to denounce the entire anti-war movement based on the fact that ANSWER organized many of its rallies.
St Louis, Missouri: Can you expand on slashed reimbursements to providers? Are you referring to Medicaid payments? Also what do you think will be the effect of this legislation on healthcare workers?
Megan McArdle: In order to pay for this bill, they have changed the formula that Medicare uses to reimburse providers (except physicians). The net effect is going to be to lower payments quite a bit, over what they would be otherwise. Furthermore, about half of the expansion comes from Medicaid, which is notoriously cheap in its reimbursements--so cheap that in many places, it's nearly impossible to find a provider who will take it.
There are two countervailing effects on healthcare workers. On the one hand, you're expanding demand for their services, and lower-paid workers in powerful unions will be able to exert more pressure on things like Medicaid reimbursements. On the other hand, if you cut payments to hospitals, they're going to have to employ fewer people. Which effect will prevail? I'd guess on net it's a slight plus for low-wage health care workers, a huge plus for the SEIU (which unionizes many of those workers, and could really use some more members to plug a hole in its pension fund), and bad for the more skilled workers, particularly physicians.
College Station, TX: Your answer on taxes touches on this, but I'll ask anyway... what do you think of Greg Mankiw's point that CBO has to score assuming no changes to the path of GDP growth, but the changes in the bill could have impacts on GDP?
Greg Mankiw's Blog: A Warning about CBO Scoring
Megan McArdle: I think it's true: the taxes in this bill are going to be a drag on GDP. But how big a drag? Big enough to even be detectable? I don't know the answer to that.
Over time, of course, even very small effects can compound into something very large. But about the shorter term, I'm not sure I know whether this is going to be a big enough problem to show up in our national statistics. It well might be. But it also might not.
Reston, VA: Assuming health care reform passes, how do you think the deficit commission will deal with it? Will they ignore it as too recently passed to touch, or will they propose decreasing the tax exemption for health insurance and capping benefits, or something else entirely?
Megan McArdle: I think they will have to deal with it; you're talking about something that by CBO projections will clock in at around $200 billion a year over the next decade. That's a huge chunk of the federal budget; for reference, that's bigger than any normal year line item except Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense and interest on the national debt.
I don't know how they'll propose to deal with it, and I'm not sure it really matters, because I don't know anyone who thinks that this commission will ultimately be listened too. Commissions work when they provide political cover for something on which there's already bipartisan agreement: think base closings, or raising Social Security taxes. But there are real and deep divisions on how to deal with our fiscal problems that will not be resolved by outsourcing the initial policy proposals.
Bowie, MD: Can you think of any part of the economy, anywhere in the world, where more money is wasted than in the current US health care? It seems to me that this is the exception to the rule that the private sector generally does things more efficiently than the government.
Megan McArdle: Defense spending, for starters. American health care is more lavish both in treatments, and in how well appointed the facilities are. In some sense it's "wasted", but whenever anyone, private or public, attempts to curtail the waste, the public backlash derails the cost controls. Think about the recent mammogram guidelines, or the failure of managed care in teh 1990s; both were undone when voters deluged their politicians with demands to undo the cost controls. So far, politicians have always complied with those demands.
Kensington, MD: When an antitrust-exemption-protected middleman-skimming-operation industry (i.e., one that produces no real good or service) raises premiums yearly by roughly TEN TIMES the rate of inflation, on a product with inelastic demand (i.e., health care is not some elective luxury), something is clearly spinning out of control. I fully understand disagreements on HOW to fix it. But how can -anyone- seriously put forth the notion that no overhaul is needed?
Megan McArdle: Who is saying that no changes are needed? Refusing to support this gargantuan new Rube Goldberg legislative apparatus is not the same thing as saying I don't want change. As far as I know, no one is saying that.
Anonymous: It's not that people don't want reform but how can we afford this. The just released CBO scoring for the Senate bill and reconciliation package comes in at $940 billion over ten years. A reminder: the benefits (i.e. spending) don't begin until 2014. The taxation (revenue collection) begins immediately. A true number? The CBO says the cost over the first 4 years would be $17 billion. The last 6 would equal $923 billion. So isn't this a better representation of true cost?
$923/6-10 = $1,538 trillion or over 1.5 trillion dollars if the spending is factored evenly over the 10 years like it will be the following 10 years.
And that doesn't include the $200 billion yearly "doc fix" which was deliberately taken out of the bill to make it seem like less spending. Add that to their claimed "net" and see what it gets you. It's certainly not $794 over 10 years or any deficit reduction.
This bill will bankrupt the country in 20 years
Megan McArdle: The power of compound interest means that if the legislation stays on track, the CBO thinks that the cuts in the growth rate of reimbursements will actually keep the bill deficit neutral after 2020. The problem, of course, is that these sorts of gimmicks always sound terrific in theory--just slow the growth rate a little! Unfortunately, when they bite too deep, Congress generally has to undo them, which is why we annually "fix" the alternative minimum tax and doctor reimbursements.
Rochester, NY: Earlier this week, Newt Gingrich wrote that health care reform would be like civil rights in that it will be bad for Democrats politically. He wrote specifically that the political price of civil rights legislation outweighed the benefits.
Do you agree with this?
Megan McArdle: No, but then I'm not a Democrat running for re-election in 1966.
Cincinnati, OH: Between the epithets and the spitting, the Tea Party seems to be pretty irrational. What do you think are the motivations behind their protests? What in the bill do they object to?
Megan McArdle: The giant new entitlement funded by mechanisms of dubious political sustainability.
Wichita, Kan.: One of the problems with our current system is so much money is wasted on people who are too elderly to ever recover. What free market solutions are there to this problem -- the overuse of medicine on the elderly.
Megan McArdle: Realistically, I don't think there is any way that we are ever going to make the kinds of choices that we might about when it is no longer worth treating the elderly. On the margin, I hope we will stop doing heroic interventions with no benefit, which are all too common. But these are not quite as ubiquitous as often suggested; even palliative care can be quite expensive, and if you've only got one month left to live, a four month extension of your life is nearly priceless. When the private sector tries to rein them in, legislators overrule those decisions; ditto, the public sector. It's just too emotional to say, "some peoples' lives aren't worth extending."
We're probably much better off focusing on areas where we realistically could control costs. If we made patients responsible for a substantial portion of their out-of-pocket costs, we'd see much less unnecessary testing and treatment. It's not a silver bullet, but it would help--and would also improve the lives of patients who don't undergo unnecessary biopsies, back surgery, and so on.
Re: CBO: Should we just scrap the CBO altogether? I would be more comfortable with a FREE MARKET way of scoring bills. Is there any way to do this?
Megan McArdle: You could use prediction markets. But they'd only work if you enlisted a lot of people with reasonable knowledge levels. InTrade is often problematic because there are two few people trading to make an informed market price.
Megan McArdle: That's all the time I've been allocated, folks. Thanks so much for all the great questions, and if there was a question I didn't answer, you can always ask it in my comments section at meganmcardle.theatlantic.com
Farewell, internet!
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Is my baby really behind? At the 9 month check up, the doctor said if he isn't standing by himself in a month we have to get him referred to a specialist. He is standing pretty stable with a little support now, but he still isn't crawling. (I know some babies skip this step all together) But I was just wondering if my little guy is the only one not showing a huge interest in being mobile??
Not Crawling or walking...
???? thats odd. Dont know what the development ages are for those things but I know walking/standing/crawling is something all babies HAVE to be doing now. My husband is a school psych. There are large gaps as "norms" when things are mastered.
Our little girl sits like a pro. is leaning forward like she wants to crawl. wont stand on her own. But will stand with us helping her- with her feet firmly on the ground which is correct for babies this age. Walking- my boys didnt walk till about 14.5 months. my first crawled- cant remember the age. And my second only army crawled.
crazy mommy- about a week ago when she turned 9 months i took her outside and had her standing on the cool patio while supporting her. WEll, i dont think she liked the feel, and she curled up her legs and started crying. She does that each time we stand her up now. LOL till we convince her its just the rug. hmmmm should be interesting for her 9 mo visit tomarrow lol
your little one sounds fine!
My Junebug JUST started crawling and he will be 10 months on the 8th. I would say your baby is fine!
Married to High School Sweetheart Levi 1/6/07
DS Brody 11/20/08
DS Graham 6/8/10
To the OP:
My LO is the same, and I am fed up with people trying to make mothers anxious about milestones.
My daughter rolls where she wants to go. She has never crawled. When she is sitting up she can change her view by rotating on the spot. I have never actually caught her doing it, but I know that I leave her alone on the floor facing the window and will find her 30 seconds later (I never leave her alone for long) looking at the door with a big grin on her face. She stands by holding onto my hands or on the sides of her playpen, furniture, or whatever. Lately she is able to stand for a few secs on her own. Let me say this again: for a few (3-5) seconds. She was born on June 2nd so she is almost 10 months now.
Please don't worry about your LO. In my opinion if there was somehting wrong with your child , you would know. You said he is standing pretty stable if you hold him. That means that he has muscle tone and some balance. He just needs to gain more control over his body. Give him time.
My DD is not crawling or standing at all. She just started rolling around on the floor.
---- SAHM to a Little Girl (June 2010) and Baby #2 (EDD 3/30/12)
Yds crawled for the first time today. He does love to stand while holding onto things though. I thought we might skip crawling all together but he decided he wanted to get to me today and actually crawled a couple of feet.
Kids do things at all different times. If you are really concerned have him evaluated. Then at least you know you are doing what you can. We almost had ods evaluated for speech becuase he took forever to start talking (compared to dd). He started to talk just as we were getting concerned and now he won't stop talking! I figure yds will be the same with crawling
Does your lo roll or try to drag himself places? Yds has been rolling and dragging himself around a little to get where he wanted to go. I guess that was enough for him until today.
Melinda (32)
~happily married since 2004~
dd 3/15/06, ds 5/10/08, ds 6/16/10 , #4 edd 7/13/12
Maxwell (9 1/2 months old) doesn't crawl or walk yet either. He is really steady with sitting and if I am supporting him he will stand... but definitely not on his own. So we are right there with you!
Married 12 years to my amazing husband. Mom to Miles born 9/4/07, Maxwell born 06/17/10 & Jackson 03/22/13. Elliana Born 6/25/14
my babygirl does not crawl... she sits up unassisted and she scoots backwards. RME @ that dr...
mommy to Siedah Denyice 6/29/10
My son is 9 months and not crawling at all. He bears weight on his legs when you hold him but is by no means standing on his own. I'm not worried one bit. My DD didn't crawl until the day before her 1st birthday. LOL! And didn't walk until 15 months.
KAT mommy to Bella (12/2006) and Camden (6/2010)
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No that's not behind and your ped is a little ahead of themselves. My older child was crawling at 7 mos and cruising by 9 mos, but he didn't stand unassisted until a year or more....so I would not agree with them and get a second opinion.
DD is 9.5 mos and just started sitting unassissted (you know, the 6 mos skill) at 9 mos old. Her ped isn't worried at all and hasn't suggested therapy. DD can't sit herself up, can't crawl and not even close to standing unassisted or walking - or even pulling up.
I would try not to freak and get a second opinion (or ignore them).
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We're seeing a physical therapist for a neck issue (which is nearly resolved) and she is not concerned AT ALL that Zoey isn't crawling yet. I agree with ignoring the doc or getting a second opinion.
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tark, spot on as usual. same thing happened here. late money coming in on pov. big chance for foul play here, just like in the brewster fight.Posted October 5, 2013 3:26 pm
Gamblers knew about it… If you listen to the telecast of the fight on youtube.com Jim Lampley talks about the unusal betting activity just before the fight… So many bets, and o much money, came in on Brewster very late, that the odds dropped from 11:1 in favor of Wladimir to 4:1 in a matter of minutes.Posted October 5, 2013 2:31 pm
@Tark, Don King's drug got to him.Posted October 5, 2013 11:17 am
Iza – Check your Facebook messages. I've got a few great tips for you. (Moscow)Posted October 5, 2013 10:42 am
15??? im FLATTERED!!! im 12!!! LMAO!!!!Posted October 5, 2013 5:45 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
I like Chagaev too Brother Adrian. He's a great technician and he has a titanium jaw. Like Povetkin, he was probably better suited to the cruiserweight division than heavy though, well certainly in this era of giant super heavyweights. I think both of them could've got down to the division limit of 14st 4lbs and then rehydrated back up 10lbs and come in in good condition at 15st. They were either too lazy or too greedy though, or both.
Logic dictates that Wlad should win this, and win it comfortably. Povetkin does have a good chin but it's never been tested by a puncher of Wlad's calibre before. His chin isn't on Chagaev's level either so things could get ugly for him pretty quickly if he's a sitting duck. It'll probably end up being another mid to late round stoppage for Wlad. It will be very impressive if Wlad gets him out of there early though, and in reverse if Povetkin manages to last the course and give a good account of himself.Posted October 5, 2013 3:46 am
KL…, That's not true.. Wladimir's legs were gone before he even got hit very hard. Something weakened him very quickly, and he was sick as a dog for many hours. Something besides punches got to him.Posted October 5, 2013 2:57 am
Povetkin is a great boxer with great skills but he is very similar like chagaev who they fought and it was a pretty close fight and chagaev was a great amater too but I think he is going to be in big trouble if he tries to go inside past wlads jab going straight and with head movement because he will get nailed by a big right sooner or later but his best chances are if he goes around klitchkos left side all the time and get inside with combination as soon as klitchko is out of position to throw his right … That's the only way to get last klitchkos jab but you need to be fast in your feet and have a great agility wich Povetkin gas but will see what he does!Posted October 5, 2013 2:39 am
And if Tim would be in his prime he would chose I am sure football and not boxing because that's where all big guys are going now days right…? Lol yeah surePosted October 5, 2013 2:32 am
Here we go again ….Tim said Wlad is not that good with his defence and don't have the heart and his lucky he dosent have the competition and that's why he wins??? Lol sound familiar?? Typical angry klit hater …. Dundy god blessed his soul said before haye vs klitchko haye will kto wlad early because klitchko are really weak then teddy atlas said Austin will ko wlad because before him wlad never faced someone that big with skills…??? Lol just lol….Posted October 5, 2013 2:29 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Remember it's in Russia so chances are Wlad's not going to be able to get away with much holding. I think Wlad knows this and he'll use a lot of movement instead. I suspect that's why he's come in light.Posted October 5, 2013 2:16 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
I'm actually really looking forward to this one though. I think it has the potential to be pretty exciting for as long as it lasts, but only if Povetkin can get past the jab.Posted October 5, 2013 2:14 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Yourdad.. I wouldn't read to much into he Huck fight. Povetkin was in terrible shape for that one and he was blowing out of his ass after four rounds. He was on empty after that. Huck is a dirty b@stard too. He was whacking away at the back of Povetkin's dome with mean intentions all night. If Wlad can land with land his right hand with the regularity Huck did, well I make you right about him stopping him by the midway point.Posted October 5, 2013 2:12 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Brandon.. I agree with that adage. I also agree that Wlad will win, he probably grind him down for a late stoppage. But I still stand by what I said. Povetkin always has been very underrated by many and he'd give anyone problems when he's on his game.
I'd say Povetkin's ideal fighting weight would probably be around the 210 lbs mark. But we're living in the era of giant super heavyweights though and that really works against him.
I've seen Povetkin fight giants in the amateurs before though and he handled them well. Wlad's going to have to be careful of looping hooks coming over the top. Povetkin is a great combination puncher and a good finisher once he's got his man hurt, so Wlad's going to have to be wary of that. I don't think Povetkin has ever fought anyone who hits as hard as Wlad though. It doesn't matter if you've got a good chin or not when you're facing someone who hits like Wlad. Only granite jawed genetic freaks are going to be able to stand up to what he can dish out for 12 rounds if he's catching then clean with great regularity.Posted October 5, 2013 2:08 am
He's a very good fighter. But the old adages really do come into play in this one-a good big man beats a good smaller man…or something like that. Povetkin is a blown-up cruiserweight who is way, way too small to take on a guy who naturally overweighs him by about 40 pounds.Posted October 5, 2013 1:51 am
The Marco Huck fight is the one that makes me think Povetkin has no chance.
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Get back in your coffin TARK you crochety old coot. The vultures are circling above you and they'll be swooping down very soon to peck out your eyes. Once they've down that, I'm going to cut off your son's testicles and place them in the empty sockets and pour vulture piss all over your stupid cnuting face.Posted October 5, 2013 1:14 am
Why is one of the judges being criminal approved? He is wearing an ankle bracelet! Will all the billions and the Russian maria try to fix this fight? A criminal judges?! I am still sick over the criminal judges for the Chavez/Vera fight. Boxing is crooked, so you never know when the money will speak, but I still think Vlad will knock Povetkin out.Posted October 5, 2013 12:25 am
Tark quotes Manny on the Brewster fight "Before he was even hit hard he could barely stand up."
With all due respect to the late great Manny Steward……. Wlad was standing up fine right before Brewster hit him hard.Posted October 4, 2013 11:49 pm
What I notice here is that Old Yank will actually talk about his bets, andstrategies to cover them BEFORE the fight.
Unlike Tarkasaurus and his hindsight betting.
That said no way I am betting Povetkin in any way shape or form in this fight.Posted October 4, 2013 11:25 pm
I didn't say that Wilder has the skill of Wlad. Not even close. All I said is that he's the only one that really does have a puncher's chance because the can actually reach Klitchko's head before being hit with a jab. Reach is 84 inches.Posted October 4, 2013 9:01 pm
I can't see anybody being a problem for Wlad until Wilder gets few more fights under his belt. He's got the size, reach, power and accuracy. He's really the only one with a puncher's chance. All other heavyweights can't get past Wlad's jab.Posted October 4, 2013 8:45 pm
W-spoon's whiffer must have got punched too much if that's what he
I would never bet on an underdog who doesn't have a great chance to win.
Foreman 4:1 underdog to Frazier… Forrest 7:1 underdog to Mosley… Holyfield 18:1 underdog to Tyson… Donaire 3:1 underdog vs Darchinyan… Danny Garcia 3:1 underdog vs Lucas Matthysse… Garcia was even a little touchy. You don't want to throw money away.
There's not too many real good underdog bets where the odds are screwy enough… Povetkin over Wladimir is not a good one. You have to be very patient and come with a big fat roll. You get 2 or 3 chances a year tops … It's much better to bet on favorites because they win.Posted October 4, 2013 8:23 pm
Cliff Richard
Koolz has the beat.Posted October 4, 2013 7:47 pm
Cliff Richard
A METAPHOR for talking out of your ass? Nice get out for the pratt.Posted October 4, 2013 7:33 pm
Povetkin is missing one crucial part and thats speed! To get close to WK with shorter arms doing damage on inside ,with combonations . Corrie sanders (RIP) had a body of a truck driver but was fast and hit hard. And thats the only way i can see Povetkin win with "surprise element" earlry on.
Just slow boxing with the bigger man is made to fail big time
Wlad wins ,but hope for 4-5 exciting roundsPosted October 4, 2013 7:17 pm
Cliff Richard you idiot, what I said was a METAPHOR…………you must be a low information voter.Posted October 4, 2013 7:07 pm
IE: More fact bending bullcrap by Tark… Lol..
I bet that is the cleverest thing YOU have said in ages..Posted October 4, 2013 6:39 pm
Cliff Richard
"Um yeah sure… ROFL!!!!!.." I bet that is thew cleverest thing you have said in ages, eh?Posted October 4, 2013 6:31 pm
I already had the facts at hand.
Um yeah sure… ROFL!!!!!Posted October 4, 2013 6:04 pm
Cliff Richard
Yes it is eh? Anonymousretard.. ..lol..Posted October 4, 2013 5:28 pm
potvekin is going to get killed out therePosted October 4, 2013 5:08 pm
This is a mismatch. Pov may be a good hw and worthy of the shot but he doesn't go past 7 for nine. A neutral and rational assessment has Klit with all the advantages and unless something is seriously bent then Klitchko wins after Pov has taken some serious leather. Klitcko can sit behind the hammer jab and after 4-5 rounds Pov will be ready to take other shots. Pov has to make this a scrappy, clinging holdfest and he hasn't the tools to win.Posted October 4, 2013 5:00 pm
Fight Aficionado
The only upset I smell is if Wlad doesn't KO Povetkin and the Russian mafia fixes the decision. Or their sniper blasted Wlad before a KO happens. There's a red flag reported: "WBA-appointed Klitschko-Povetkin judge Ted Gimza pled guilty to a felony weapons charge on July 29." – WBA is the one governing body that has Povetkin it's "regular champion." Why assign a convicted criminal to judge Wlad vs Povetkin?Posted October 4, 2013 4:54 pm
Haye did fight Thompson!! Carl ThompsonPosted October 4, 2013 4:43 pm
Cliff Richard
What does Haye not fighting Thompson have to do with Wlad v Pov..? Lol..Posted October 4, 2013 4:39 pm
Cliff Richard
"Cliff Richard…and Haye never fought Thompson…right????"
No he never.. What are you trying to say? Lol..Posted October 4, 2013 4:38 pm
Cliff Richard…and Haye never fought Thompson…right????Posted October 4, 2013 4:31 pm
Thurmal Underwear
pff i smell budussy!Posted October 4, 2013 4:25 pm
Old Yank
Brandon — I EXPECT to lose 2 out of every 3 dog bets I make. It only takes one win in three to be well ahead of the game if you are reasonable in picking your dogs. But not all dog bets need to be held.
Let me explain.
There is a reason why Povetkin at 650 became Povetkin at 400 virtually overnight. It took some serious late money on Povetkin to swing things that big.
Dogs are dogs and they lose with stunning regularity. But live dogs can be very interesting.
I think Povetkin is a live dog. I think Klitschko will likely win, but the 650 was irresistible. I am already a winner.
Indeed I was exaggerating on what I could sell my 650 for. But a man would be a fool if he were willing to wager $100 to win $400 and not be willing to give me $150 to win $650. At 400, a $150 wager on Povetkin in "open market" action will only bring you $600 in winnings. So I will happily sell a Povetkin fan an opportunity to win $650 for $150 — saving the fan $50 on what the action is every place else. I only paid $100 for my shot at $650 – I am the OWNER of this action and it is now for sale. I can make $50 for every $100 I wagered and will likely do so tonight (on most of my wager).
I will likely cash in 3/4 of my action before the opening bell — making $50 for each $100 I wagered. The remainder I will keep in the game to see if I get lucky. At that point I will be looking for luck ENTIRELY playing other people's money.
I never wager money that is not play money.Posted October 4, 2013 4:21 pm
Cliff Richard
"Well, I agree with Tark that there was something rotten in Denmark so to speak when the Brewster 1 fight went down."
Even though the Brewster1 fight took place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA, not Denmark?
Nice logic…Posted October 4, 2013 4:19 pm
Well, I agree with Tark that there was something rotten in Denmark so to speak when the Brewster 1 fight went down. Something in the rub down or in the water that sapped Wlad of his energy. Everything in the Klit camp in Russia will be sealed and brought in from Europe for Wlad to eat and drink. They must be extremely careful of contamination of everything they are in contact with. Even the hand wraps & gloves. Everything! I see a mis match to happen and Pov to get blown out.Posted October 4, 2013 4:12 pm
Cliff Richard
Tark.. "Sanders floored him 4 times with heavy blows but he bounced up each time.."
Old Yank.. "Klitschko did NOT "bounce right back" following Sanders knockdowns. He had an ENTIRE minute rest between the 1st and 2nd rounds and was unaable to use his legs to get out of the way of Sanders in the opening SECONDS of round #2. That is NOT bouncing right back". It is being UNABLE to RECOVER between rounds! Nearly the EXACT OPPOSITE of "bouncing right back" ..
Tark.. "When Wladimir fought Sanders he couldn't defend well.. He couldn't clinch.. Now he can do both well.."
IE: More fact bending bullcrap by Tark… Lol..Posted October 4, 2013 3:59 pm
Cliff Richard
At least we have the fight getting made at last though..Posted October 4, 2013 3:49 pm
Old Yank,
If the odds are great, I'd throw a sawbuck on the longshot. But serious green on Povetikin? I hope it's money you can afford to lose. I mean unless Wlad loses five steps or the Russian Mob kidnaps Hayden Paniterre and threatens to execute her if he doesn't take a dive, this is a total mismatch.Posted October 4, 2013 3:49 pm
Cliff Richard
Wlad should win this one inside the distance.Posted October 4, 2013 3:48 pm
Old Yank.., You picked the wrong horse to put serious money on. If this fight were anywhere but Russia Wladimir would be a 20-1 favorite. Of course it IS in Russia — but the Klitschko Bros are very wary since Wladimir's first Brewster fight. They're keeping a close eye out for funny stuff.
When Wladimir fought Sanders he couldn't defend well.. He couldn't clinch.. Now he can do both well.. His game is 200% better.. Let's see what Povekin does when he takes a serious head shot. He looked terrible against Huck.Posted October 4, 2013 3:39 pm
de lima there will be only povetkin fans manPosted October 4, 2013 3:28 pm
Old Yank
In mid-September, at 650, I put some serious green presidents on Povetkin. Today you will be lucky to get Povetkin at 400. When odds tighten up that big and that fast, it suggests that more than Terrible Tim smell an upset.
Although I expect Klitschko to win, at 650, the dog bet on Povetkin was irresistible!
Hell, I can (and likely will) sell my 650 for 200 TODAY and walk! The owner of my 650 will be in at 450, or 50 ahead of any money he can get anywhere!
This is the way playing out-sized odds early can pay off.Posted October 4, 2013 3:18 pm
I can ALREADY hear Povetkins pudgy frame slamming into the canvas or his corner pulling him out… He delayed this BEATING for years now its the day of reckoning…Posted October 4, 2013 3:13 pm
Exhausion or no exhausion, either he just punched himself out or he was punch drunk doesn't change the fact that Wlad was TKOed by lesser oponents. So suggesting Wlad is better than Lennox isn't only disingenuous it's ridiculous.Posted October 4, 2013 3:11 pm
Neil (Pomy)
Povetkin has to go for it to stand a chance. wladimir should have this though.Posted October 4, 2013 3:01 pm
Old Yank
"Being fine shortly afterwards" means being able to RECOVER in between rounds! Klitschko was UNABLE TO RECOVER in between rounds! The ref saved Klitschko from a trip to never-never land!Posted October 4, 2013 2:59 pm
Old Yank
TARK — Klitschko did NOT "bounce right back" following Sanders knockdowns. He had an ENTIRE minute rest between the 1st and 2nd rounds and was unaable to use his legs to get out of the way of Sanders in the opening SECONDS of round #2. That is NOT bouncing right back". It is being UNABLE to RECOVER between rounds! Nearly the EXACT OPPOSITE of "bouncing right back"!Posted October 4, 2013 2:56 pm
Tim Witherspoon can's smell anything with all the coke he sniffed up his nose in the 80s.Posted October 4, 2013 2:56 pm
terror tim
Not sure how Witherspoon can say that "I don't see that Wladimir can do a lot of stuff that's really special." Have you seen the man's jab? It is a battling ram. Its accurate and has the power of a lot of guys straight rights. I would say the jab is really special.Posted October 4, 2013 2:51 pm
You are right on the button TarkPosted October 4, 2013 2:37 pm
Wladimir had a leaky defense 10 years ago… That's why he switched trainers in the first place.. Right now his defense is tight..
If he does get tagged like David Haye caught him with a desperation Sunday punch in the 12th round — he can clinch like Floyd Mayweather Jr. In fact Haye was amazed at how skillfully and fast Wladimir threw on the clinch. Haye didn't have a chance in the world to get at him.
Wladimir's chin is underrated… Sanders floored him 4 times with heavy blows but he bounced up each time. He was fine shortly afterwards. He was completely exhausted against Purrity because he was sick and underweight. They had to pull him out.
Against Brewster???
Emmanuel Stewart said, "He was poisoned. He was in perfect condition and his strength and balance evaporated in a minute. I've never seen a boxer go from winning every round by such a wide margin, and go to just losing all his strength and ability to stand so early in the fight. For the next few hours he was sick as a dog … Before he was even hit hard he could barely stand up."
I just hope he's not victimized like this again … in Russia.Posted October 4, 2013 2:31 pm
Far lesser opponents? Rahman barely beat Sanders. Sanders hurt Rahman, but punched himself out and then Rahman took over. Brewster is a big questionmark, he beat some good guys impressively like Golota, but also lost to some journeyman.Posted October 4, 2013 2:30 pm
De Lima I.
WK has chin. He took shots from genuine punchers and was able to absorb them no problem.
I'm so excited! It will be the first time seeing WK fight in person!Posted October 4, 2013 2:26 pm
De Lima I.
He has chin! He took shots from genuine punchers and was able to absorb them no problem! WK's never been knocked out cold!
I'm so excited! It will be the first time seeing WK fight in person!Posted October 4, 2013 2:26 pm
Wlad the octopus Klits by KO, Even with a helmet on, Povetkin has very little chance of winning.Posted October 4, 2013 2:18 pm
Wlad was KO 3X by far lesser opponents than Rahman and Mccall.Posted October 4, 2013 2:13 pm
Vladimirs glass chin is sashas big chance..Posted October 4, 2013 2:00 pm
Lennox lewis ko'd 2 times by one punch, mccall + rahman. lewis overrated, wladimir better now than lewis ever was. Wladimir will ko povetkin too.Posted October 4, 2013 1:58 pm
Terrible Tim has a terrible grip on reality.The only valid point he made is that Wlad's defence is leaky,in terms of how he deals/reacts with getting hit,but many taught him so well,to use his reach/height/distance,that he rarely get's hit.Povetkin has little to no chance to beat Wlad.I can't see him getting inside Wlad's piston like jab often enough to make a difference,and when he does,i'm not convinced he has the power to dent Wlad.Wlad has the rare combination of size,speed and athleticism.Combine that with his experience,uber cautious style and relentless discipline to execute his gameplan,and you realise there's little chance of anyone upsetting him,certainly not Povetkin.The only heavyweights I could see upsetting Wlad is prime Lennox or prime Holyfield.it's not worth going back further in time due to the size disparity.Wlad by late stoppage.Unless Pov's corner drugs Wlad,poisons his prefight stroganoff and ties his laces together….Posted October 4, 2013 1:49 pm
Die Siener
Have to agree LAG. And for his statement that it was a great victory over the rock! Rahman almost fell down the stairs on the ring walk. He could hardly move in the ring and has been walking on his heels for a few years. Wlad would have handled most of Tims contemporaries, the era of the at HW. Tim waisted a lot of his career through overheating and poor work ethic.Posted October 4, 2013 1:41 pm
Another delusional older boxer. When will they ever get over themselves. Wlad's defense is excellent. If not how could Haye have even failed to connect with Wlad for several rounds. Haye would have knocked Timmy boy out flat. First Ernie, now this Witherspoon, who was about as good as the present Witherspoon and would have been as relevant in this era. I grew up in the 70 and 80's, and have long since thrown out the rose colored glasses of nostalgia. Time for these gents to do the same. I actually consider Steward to be a better defensive coach than offensive, look at what he did with both LL and Wlad, no offensive improvement only defensive.Posted October 4, 2013 1:14 pm
Witherspoon was the most talented heavyweight I ever saw—and he had one of the best trainers I've ever observed. But he couldn't handle Larry Holmes' or Pinklon Thomas's jab. Tim got careless against James Smith and suffered one of his 4 KO losses. If WK gets that careless against Povetkin he will get knocked out—but Wladimir sets a higher professional standard than that.
Terrible Tim was frequently in terrible condition. He suffered puzzling losses to 2nd rate boxers like Evert Martin—one the many stink-outs Tim phoned in. Wladimir has a different attitude and makes the most of his talent.
Tim's assessments of Emmanuel Steward's abilities as a defensive coach are valid if you're talking about the 1960's through the 80's. But by the time Steward started training Lewis, he had tons of knowledge about defensive techniques. Manny coached for over 40 years and kept getting better. Wladimir credited Steward for his ability to clinch like a bear trap—and his ability to go many rounds with top heavyweights without taking a hard punch. He learned tons about defense from Steward.
Witherspoon was slick defensively—but the Wladimir of 2013 is much better.Posted October 4, 2013 12:33 pm
witherspoon,dokes,page,coetzee,tate,weaver and the rest of those wba belt holders of that rea would have got ktfo by wk and his brother vk.Posted October 4, 2013 12:32 pm
Yeah, I've heard that before. The Hammer, will Hammer Povetkin.Posted October 4, 2013 12:26 pm
k2, i wouldn't be surpise if wach beat tyson fury.Posted October 4, 2013 12:24 pm
And Wach was on roids, that's the reason why he didn't get KOedPosted October 4, 2013 12:03 pm
De Lima I.
AP will NOT be able to penetrate his defense!Posted October 4, 2013 12:00 pm
I smell a pummeling by Wlad…ROUND 8 KOPosted October 4, 2013 12:00 pm
K2 Fan
I see people here all the time making light of Wach as an opponent . I'm
Even Povetkin would have murdered you TimmehPosted October 4, 2013 11:54 am
"I'm very confident that, with the skills I possessed, I'd have been a dominant champion of this era" LOL that's one of the funniest things I ever heard. Timmeh you wouldn't even touch Wlad with his superb footwork ;)Posted October 4, 2013 11:51 am
Yes he do have a good chin, and good work rate, and will be throwing combos in bursts which he is good at and then finishing with an overhand right which he is good at. But I think Wlad is too strong and fast and powerful punch for Pov to withstand. Pov will be eating power jabs and not liking it. Wlad by KO. I wonder if Teddy Atlas will be there next to Putins box seats. Interesting venue for the fight in Moscow.Posted October 4, 2013 11:39 am
Old Yank
Povetkin is NOT a one-handed fighter like Iggy was. Povetkin does not take time off in the middle of rounds — in fact he's got one of the highest work rates in the heavyweight division right now. Povetkin has a decent chin.
Again, if Povetkin can get inside the jab EARLY, this could be an upset. We will know inside 3 rounds if the smell of an upset is in the air.
If it looks Iggy-like over the first 3 rounds, IT'S OVER! Klitschko wins.Posted October 4, 2013 11:32 am
Old Yank
If Klitschko sticks to his knitting this will be an Iggy-like bore-fest. If Povetkin can get inside the jab it could become interesting. Klitschko's last three opponents have been slow, past it or relatively light punchers (Pianeta — slow, no punch; Wach — slow, no punch; and Thompson — past it). His two bouts before that were the past-it, blown up cruiser named Mormeck and the Mouth-That-Roared named Haye.
One could argue that W. Klitschko has not seen a legit heavyweight threat since he KO'ed Samuel Peter in 2010. That's a lot of time to be away from the legit side of the heavyweight division. But then again, who the hell has looked legit since 2010?
On paper this is an EASY BOUT TO PICK — Klitschko picks up the "W". HOWEVER, the upset meter is high and the odds make a dog bet irresistible.Posted October 4, 2013 11:27 am
"Terrible" Tim, your analysis is terrible.Posted October 4, 2013 11:24 am
Ray (the man) Flores
Wlad is very trim at 241, he is going to rip up Povetkin. Speed & Power!
Ray (the man) Flores
I smell a mis match about to happen with Povetkin getting blown out. Wlad by KO.Posted October 4, 2013 11:07 am
whatever man`neither klit brother will lose any time soon and I'm talking about before the next 2-3 years…yezzzir!Posted October 4, 2013 10:54 am
WIshfull thinking. Did Povetkin look dominant in his last fights against notable opponents, that being Chagaev and Huck? The answer is no. His other opponents since he got his paper belt were very low level fighters. I don't think he will be able to make the jump to a top class fighter like Vladimir.Posted October 4, 2013 10:20 am
benevolent hero
Most heavyweights punch hard. Some harder than others. Stating that Povetkin has a 'punchers chance' is not really saying all that much. If a heavyweight fighter allows his opponent to clock him cleanly, it's lights out baby. This is also why I don't totally buy into Wladimir having a glass jaw. At least not based on the Brewster and Sanders fights where Wlad's sloppy defense allowed both to punch him from close range with his jaw jutted out.Posted October 4, 2013 10:17 am
It's Me, Ernie
Terrible Tim been smellin some Sherm maybe…Posted October 4, 2013 10:15 am
i wouldn't be surpise if the ref stop the fight early for something stupid. or dq him from holding.Posted October 4, 2013 10:00 am
This article is awful and plain wrong. On what planet was Stewart not a defence minded trainer?
The style of Wlad says it all and there was a reason why Cotto left Manny, being becuase be could not adapt to his more defense first emphasis.Posted October 4, 2013 9:57 am
wladimir doesn't have to worry about the food and water. he has to worry about the judges and ref being bought off. i thought it was stange that someone paid 23 million for this fight when it was only worth 7 million to a promoter. they try to have a russian company to do the the drug testing. wk was smart not to let that happen. they mess with a winner drug test once and had the fight over turn.Posted October 4, 2013 9:56 am
if the corrie sanders that fought klitschko fought povetkin now. he would also knock out povetkin in the second round. then i guess you can say povetkin has a glass jaw.Posted October 4, 2013 9:48 am
its easy to read between the lines of witherspoon. He won't give wlad cred for being a good boxer. Tries to say its his size and training that makes him champ not skills or atletism. wlad is skilled and like emanuel steward said wlad is the hardest one punch fighter he's trained and the most atletic hwPosted October 4, 2013 9:40 am
Mick: You're an idiot.Posted October 4, 2013 9:22 am
Mick the Marmalizer
I'm actually hoping for a Povotkin win here & the start are a new era + unification. If Wlad is defeated I have no doubt that Vitali will seek revenge & we shall have our 1st 100% H/W champion since Lennox Lewis.Posted October 4, 2013 9:13 am
Wladimir by TKO or KO in the 6th round. Same display as last fight.Posted October 4, 2013 8:56 am
EASY Fight to predict. Wlad by DOMINANT UD or mid to late rd stoppagePosted October 4, 2013 8:51 am
Witherspoon needs to take a Boxing IQ class.Posted October 4, 2013 8:49 am
Don't see any problems for Wlad. It will be just another fight for Klitschko. What is different it's a big payday.Posted October 4, 2013 8:38 am
Agree with most of the stuff tim said except the obvious. Im a klitschko fan but have tonadmitt that wldimir.. has a bit of chin problem, its not glass but he can be hurt a lot easer than most heavys and that creates a possibiliy for pov… credit to klitschko for not having the greatest chin yet still making acomplishing so much proves his incredible talent.Posted October 4, 2013 8:35 am
Said all along this will be closer than most thinkPosted October 4, 2013 8:30 am
C.J. Ross
I can see this being a draw….Posted October 4, 2013 8:21 am
Witherspoon also said recently he could beat Wladimir…Posted October 4, 2013 8:10 am
SWEDISH BOXING FAN writes:
Povetkin cannot win on the scorecards against the champ.
This fight is in Russia, where anything can and does happen. Have you seen the dodgy scorecards in recent bouts?
If ROB Arum was promoting this fight I would definitely think something was fishy in the air.
WLAD should look for the KO….Will be good to analyse the scoring after this fight and look for signs of dodgy doings amongst the officials.
Tomorrow JUDGEWATCH begins!Posted October 4, 2013 8:09 am
Early, go home and tap heydenPosted October 4, 2013 7:58 am
Wlad should go for the ko…Posted October 4, 2013 7:57 am
sad sppon
Run klitschko down,brag about the past and predict a upset. This pos would ge destroyed by wlaimar. I really chuckled at spoons ignorance of wladimars defense and skill.Posted October 4, 2013 7:32 am
Povetkin will not get past the jab. It will be like either the sultan vs Wlad fight if Povekin is defensive or the Chargev vs Wlad fight if he comes in aggressive. The most likely type of fighter to beat wlad is a tall athletic skilled heavy with a big punch just like wlad and that is not povetkin.Posted October 4, 2013 6:46 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
Alexander Povetkin have a chanse to defeat Wladimir klitschko? Sure he got a lucky punchers chanse like most top contenders have BUT nothing more then that. Povetkin have punchpower and an good chin but overall, Wladimir Klitschko is equal or much better on all other parts (accept the chin). I can't see Povetkin defeat Klitschko becouse Wladimir is simpley the very best heavyweight in the world and have been the undisputed heavyweight world champion sence 2006 with 13 title defences so far and he is still in his prime days while Povetkin haven't developed any new skills in recent years. Povetkins's only chanse to win and defeat Wladimir is by knockout early to middle rounds as after that its Wladimir's ongoing road to victory. Wladimir is winner by all choises. KO, TKO, UD, MD, SD. Povetkin cannot win on the scorecards against the champ.Posted October 4, 2013 6:24 am
I wonder if Povetkin's a lot fitter than in his fight against Marco Huck. He btter be.Posted October 4, 2013 6:22 am
Wlad became defensive AFTER Manny came onPosted October 4, 2013 6:22 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
I believe Wlad will win.Posted October 4, 2013 6:11 am
Povetkin has a chancePosted October 4, 2013 6:04 am


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Anyone else's lo cry most of the day?
My DS rarely cries during the day, he's teething now so occassionally he's fussy but for the most part he is quiet or babbeling to himself....
My friend had a baby in August and she would cry all day and night...not a good sleeper. They finally took her to the chiropractor and it stopped! They take her once a month for the past three months and now she is a happy baby! Every baby is so different but she has had to take both of her kids to the chiropractor (her first was delivered using forceps and was having neck issues...3 times to the chiropractor and he was a happy baby!)
Our lo was crying and fussing at night and during the day when she'd be ready for a nap... thought it was teething.... took her in after this going on several weeks. Ended up being her ears.
Sometimes I wish they could talk to tell is what is wrong.
Well, you had another thread about your baby being a terrible sleeper, right? The kid could just be tired all the time. Being exhausted puts me in a bad mood, too. Poor thing. And poor Mommy! If there is no medical reason (ears, reflux, teething, etc.), I bet things will improve once you get the sleep problems worked out.
( . Y . ) Gold Boobies!
^Little Alligator^-June 9, 2011
Baby boy-June 12, 2012
Baby girl-expected December 2, 2014
But yeah - he fusses if you're not sitting on the floor right with him most days. Like no bathroom breaks, naps on me. He's very easily frustrated I think.
He has a very strong willed personality!
Married March '09, DS #1 - June 2012, DS #2 - December 28th, 2014, EBF (Diamond Boobies - 24 months!), SAHM, 2x HG Survivor
Mine does alot , she just gets bored so I have to put music on and play with her with all her toys she mainly just wants to go all over the house and try standing against everything because when I let her she gets so excited lol


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stairway to the stars
celestial light beckons me
no puddles overflow with tears
my life's silent movie
reruns in my mind
not a loved one left behind
those I cherish
wait for me
lingering in paradise
below the Earth loses color
even the pyramids
Eiffel Tower
Broadway lights
to those still confined in the worldly realm
no legacy I leave
just a kiss that carries
rapidly vanishing memories
my final farewell
*Written September 4, 2014, by Carolyn Devonshire
For Guatami's "The Poet II – Poetry Contest"
Theme: Leave you a kiss
Copyright ©
Carolyn Devonshire
More great poems below...
I'm leaving now, but here is a reminder
'Twill bring to you the days we walked through rain
So when you wish to feel my hand in yours
Or stroke your dripping hair-- Then kiss the rain
Though leaving now, I wish I could be with you
So when you feel o'erwhelmed with grief or pain
And long for my caress upon your face,
The rain will touch instead-- So kiss the rain
Whenever you have tho'ts of this sad parting
And salty tears your lovely cheeks do stain
To feel the tears for you I'll surely have
Do this, and I will too-- Go kiss the rain
Whenever you are longing for my presence
And times that we went strolling down the lane
I'll whisper soft endearments on the breeze
So heed the sighing wind-- And kiss the rain
If ever you should pine to hear me speaking
The thunder might burst forth with glorious main*
While drops that fall are sure to be my tears,
To feel them wet your skin-- Just kiss the rain
* Power or Force
Copyright ©
Isaiah Zerbst
The Tale below was carved one night,
Upon the Stone, by candlelight
...most won't believe, but some just might
.........most won't believe, but some just might
. Preface
Well James made Beth his lovely bride
(And angels smiled, though teary eyed)
...their bodies bound, their spirits tied
.........their bodies bound, their spirits tied
Upon her hand, a shimmer shone,
As bright as blood, a ruby Stone
...and brighter still, as love had grown
.........and brighter still, as love had grown
Soon James was sent to man a sail
So Beth removed her wedding veil
...her eyes were bright, her face was pale
.........her eyes were bright, her face was pale
"Well, I'll be here when you return"
Said Beth to James, who kissed in turn
...a kiss that made her body burn
.........a kiss that made her body burn
1. The Dream
One night, within a dream deformed,
The cawing of a Crow informed
"...a Ship was stripped where winter stormed
.........a Ship was stripped where winter stormed
Midst winds and waves the thunder boomed
The Ship of Death was surely doomed
...the sea engulfed, the sea entombed
.........the sea engulfed, the sea entombed
Your James... denied by Davy Jones!
His spirit gone, his flesh and bones
...are resting now amongst the Stones
.........are resting now amongst the Stones"
2. The Quest
Awoken by the ebon Wight
And beckoned by the baneful bight
...I left before the morning light
.........I left before the morning light
Throughout the realm I rode a roan
Until, in time, I reached the Stone
...where shades and dreams in darkness groan
.........where shades and dreams in darkness groan
While skipping up and down the sky
A missing moonbeam mocked my eye
...enough to make a Swallow cry
.........enough to make a Swallow cry
For someone stole a star or two
And something else that fate withdrew –
...my jewel of joy, my James Bijou
.........my jewel of joy, my James Bijou
The shadows of the evening swelled
Where demons of the dusk had dwelled
...and in the far, a vesper knelled
.........and in the far, a vesper knelled
The Stone, beneath the sky, stood cold –
Between the runes, a vapour strolled
...a cloak of fleecy fog consoled
.........a cloak of fleecy fog consoled
A Raven on a branch, enthroned,
Her wings waved once, a wail intoned
...beyond the bay, a banshee moaned
.........beyond the bay, a banshee moaned
I lay beside the Stone, his bride
I lay beside the Stone and cried
...but were it I, instead, that died
.........but were it I, instead, that died
The rainbow of the moon fell dim
A midnight Swan soon ceased to swim
...as if to hide all hint of him
.........as if to hide all hint of him
Between the willows in the swale
There sang a Bird, a Nightingale
...which left me faint and feeling frail
.........which left me faint and feeling frail
3. Contact
I felt him breathe within a breeze
Responding to my anguished pleas
...and leaves blew by abandoned trees
.........and leaves blew by abandoned trees
"I miss you too, my darling Beth"
Re-echoed from the Ship of Death
...the future buried in a breath
.........the future buried in a breath
The Stone lit up a ruby sheen
And clouds were kindled crystalline
...with consequences, unforeseen
.........with consequences, unforeseen
Above, the wretched Raven soared
To where the Ship of Death lay moored
...beneath, the icy ocean roared
.........beneath, the icy ocean roared
4. Release
I'm joined with James beneath the Stone,
Though to the Ship my spirit's flown,
...for nevermore to be alone
.........for nevermore to be alone
. Epilogue
That night the wayward winds were weird
The Ship of Death had disappeared
...coyotes called and mortals feared
.........coyotes called and mortals feared
At dusk, the craven shadows crawled
At dawn, the winds of mourning called
...upon the Stone two names were scrawled
.........upon the Stone two names were scrawled
The Raven sits, with wings outspread,
Atop the Stone which shades the dead
...it sometimes shimmers ruby red
.........it sometimes shimmers ruby red
. Epitaph
Between the sounds, where silence seeps,
Their love lives on and never sleeps
...and yet, the weeping willow weeps
.........and yet, the weeping willow weeps
inspired by ~fc~
Wight (obsolete): a supernatural being, creature
Bight: a bay or gulf
Swale: a moist depression in a tract of land
Copyright ©
Terry O'Leary
Eyes to eyes now meet
Tenderly our lips touch
We, adventurous
Rhythmic vibrations rejoice
When love creates little ones
Copyright ©
James Fraser
The night fell all around me
sunshine washed away
by salty drops
dripping down
onto my pillow
blurring my mind
I saw visions
beautiful visions
Bright as day
Her light was there to guide me
cross around her neck
white flower in her hair
cascading gently downward
upon the bottom of her neck
taking my hand
we walk
barefoot in the sand
Her touch
her sweet touch
pulling me close
her soft pink lips
coming close
oh so close
pulling me in
feelings so right
Our lips touch
pure bliss
what a kiss
releasing me
tip of her tongue
encircling mine
emotions exploding
losing track of time
a moment,
a lifetime
I will never forget
setting me free
letting me be me
Copyright ©
Tim Smith
A string of white pearls adorned her neckline
accenting that perfect little yellow dress
her silken hazel hair pulled back
showing off a most angelic face
she was glowing
and she couldn't stop smiling
I remember it like it was yesterday
she was so excited
meeting a friend for dinner
a friend that needed a shoulder to cry on
one she hadn't seen in many a long moon.
The clock struck seven and it was time to go
I so remember telling her to have fun
and I'd see her when she got home
She gave me a goodbye kiss and headed out the door
How was I to know?
How could anyone know?
It was a kiss just like hundreds of other kisses
no, not your drawn out passionate kiss
no, not the I love you more than anything kiss
oh how I wish it were
it was a see you soon sweetheart kiss
How was I to know?
How could anyone know?
this would be our last kiss
my last remembrance
the last time I could say I love you
for the restaurant she went to
yes it was that restaurant
the one where all dreams perished
where empty hearts cry
where mothers and sons
fathers and daughters
and dreams all died
~Do Not Trust a Word, He Says~
He speaks of sunken treasures the way no other man
The map of his essence is drawn in the stars
His smile of gold ride out the waves
The moon is pulled by the prestige of his masculine art
With great pleasure, your heart now sits in a glass case
His love lavishes making every moment memorable
This gentleman cultivates you from every direction
Your blood rises to his flirtatious ego
His eyes, manipulate you, invade every dream,
Endless lust, pulled by the enigma of dragon dust wind
Falling flowers of forgetfulness, when lost in his touch
He endures, he breathes in ways you can't resist
Uttered words easily wrap around your heart
In a game of trust, his lips persuade another kiss
Like a syndrome, you babble and drool ---- stepping all over yourself
You are naught more than a fool in love,
Trusting and believing every golden word spoken from his lip
( A Poet Destroyer Collection)
Copyright ©
Poet Destroyer A
Ran through the airport
to catch that last flight
Sailed on a ferry
across the vast sea
hailed me a rickshaw
pulled by a very old man
time it was ticking
hands close to the top
the new year's upon us
why can't it stop
I need to be near her
to feel her soft lips
I need her to feel me
to be her first kiss.
I can hear the big countdown
as I got close to her place
I finally made it
planted a kiss upon her face
took a sip of champagne
danced through the night
kissed her once more
and asked if she might
one day take my hand
as she had taken my heart
forevermore as one
a new year, a new start
I was the one with the color-blue eyes,
you were the wind on the sea.
Of all the oceans tossed by your kiss
why did it have to be me?
Pardon this wind for causing the wave.
One as free-spirited as I
was myself surprised, your gravity called,
your lips I could not deny.
A soaring breeze calms not a sea
and I would be remiss,
to think my journey to your heart
began with but a kiss.
Why would you wonder, oh King of the deep
did you not feel the spark, the magic?
You wound my heart, with thoughts that start
to doubt my intent, it's tragic.
Indeed I felt it, burning deep,
your spark inflamed desire.
Enraptured now, I long for more,
my heart a raging fire.
Arise, my King, from current doubt
and begin to breathe anew.
Haven't I hovered long enough
for you to get a clue?
Bend, oh Queen, yield your will
and we will rise above,
the ebb and tide of mortal bane
swept away in love.
Into your ocean I'll sail my vessel
on a course set sound as stone.
Prepare yourself oh majesty
for I will share your throne.
KIM PATRICE NUNEZ and JOHN WULF
16 April 2015
Copyright ©
Kim Patrice Nunez
We've been talking forever, so does it seem
You're all that I wanted, the girl of my dream
So long have I waited to see such a sight
My beautiful angel all dressed in white
You walk down the aisle,with your head held high
No longer waiting, not letting time slip on by
My beauty, my vision, tonight you'll be mine
I'll hug you and kiss you til the end of time
You'll take my hand, and I'll give you my heart
Together in unison we won't grow apart
So stop all this talking, stop telling us how
Come closer sweetheart, I need to kiss you now
A small miracle
When you kiss my lips tenderly
my heart feels like a volcano
The earth spins around like a carousel
....... Kiss me one more time
A-L Andresen :)
Copyright ©
Anne Lise Andresen
Your voice rose gold
touching deep beauty
If I were a cloud
I would rain kisses all over you
It was no secret that she was in love with the rain
Landing on paradise
blown away like a hurricane
Lifting me of my feet
floating in your beautiful words
To set sail in strong love storm
Dance with me in grace
If love is gentle like you
Long gentle kiss awaiting warm and soft lips
Holding hands your grace
joy lights up inside every shadow
Dreaming by candlelight
The obsession tiny diamonds from heaven pour
Take me with you into your dreams
where I will be happy and free with you forever more
Within the angel rays of sunlight sparkle
A tantalizing sensation wowed by the gaze
Together we will travel through
the unknown path of rose petals
Twelve red roses softly blush scarlet
wishing in the heavens for you
we will sing in another world angel
Maiden of the ocean whispering waves
Each one salted with your spices
Let the waves hypnotize us
In Magic moments we shared so much more
Trying to soak everything in, not wasting any time
Dream of a thousand lifetimes beyond compare
Gentle winds kissing you a queen in four corners
within warm pockets inside fingers of air
Written by L. Mcdaid & A-L Andresen :) 10.07.2015
Copyright © All Rights Reserved
I was thirteen and you...well you, a sophomore by then..
that night you stopped by to see me, at the Jr high game.
Friends most of our lives..you called me "kid" and I loved it when you did!
Hey "kid" come go for a ride on my new motorcycle!
The night was cool..you slipped your leather football jacket around me and
we both laughed as I disappeared into its sleeves.
What would I have to give to once again relive .. the way you looked at me just then?
As though you'd never really seen me before..like I was no longer a kid..
Your big hands gently touching my face..fingers running through my long
black hair..carefully exploring my mouth as though you were tasting my smiles..
Suddenly, you jumped back like you had just been snake bitten,
and we were both laughing again.....
You never called me "kid" again...
I never told you, that was my first kiss..
©Donna Jones
Copyright ©
Donna Jones
My thirst for undying love I wished to quench
Drinking from the source of your enviable lips
Few droplets of nectar my soul was able to sip
That ample were though my craving to eclipse!
© Demetrios Trifiatis
Copyright ©
Demetrios Trifiatis
Oh now sad frog located on the sandy beach
Emotions raging around the body as an Icelandic volcano
burning holds in a vice grips deeply
Stranded in the cemetery of broken hearts
It is as if parts of the heart where torn out
shreaded from the body without an anesthesia
Deep arrow strikes in Golden Sunshine beams
Maybe he worry for no reason
Warm thoughts sail faraway yonder
An endless sandy beach, white as snow
washed with the blue ocean in brilliant yellow sunlight
Singing dreams kissing lips hold an oasis close
She drinks his kiss as if one could never get enough
In the hot summer sun burning heart yearns
It does not matter what it is
or where it leads them
as long as it creates an inner glow
Singing sizzles relighting loves croaking flames
Infatuation may be coming - but volatile
ignites when paper lips hold tears prisoner
Positively resonated does not appear out of the blue
Falling salt seasoned spice
Trail seeking light
This is a powerful and invigorating moment
Jumping angry to paradise
Shedding the green shirt of a Queen
She was cold, but the sun stroked her
soft and warm over the cheeks
Written by L. Mcdaid & A-L Andresen :) 26.06.2015
Copyright © All Rights Reserved
Whispered words
Soothing poetry in your ear
Candlelit evening fading
Into Red Wine dreams
Words that touch the soul
Holding hands
A simple kiss
As we gaze upon the wilted rose
Copyright ©
arthur vaso
To touch someone's eyelashes with your own
up close to their face, now isn't that silly?
I can just hear all the virile men groan. . .
Butterfly kisses with one's date? Really?
To tell you the truth, I'd not even heard
of butterfly kisses until one fine day,
and I might even have found it absurd
had someone most special not kissed me that way!
But there was a boy one night that I chose
to go on a date with - a flirtatious tease.
He said, "Let's rub noses and be Eskimos"
and playfully put my young self at ease.
And then he said, "Kiss me like a butterfly."
I giggled when he drew his face close to mine.
Both our lashes were long, and on our first try
our lashes were kissing; was it divine?
I won't lie and tell you it was complete bliss,
but soon in my stomach there strongly fluttered
new butterflies from our first full-mouth kiss,
and I sighed with every sweet word he uttered.
He said, "Close your eyes" and then kissed both of
my eyelids so tenderly how could I know
if it were anything other than love
and, madly, I wished he never would go.
With eyes now wide open, I mirrored the touch
of his hands like butterflies, wanting to trace
my every feature. His eyes said so much
as my hands caressed his own beautiful face!
His mouth on my neck, his breath at my ear,
his lips on my lips; I'd now tasted bliss!
What a boy from Quebec had taught me was clear:
Romance can take flight from a butterfly kiss.
For Gail Angel Doyle's Butterfly Kisses Poetry Contest
Copyright ©
Andrea Dietrich
faraway as it opens your eyes chocolate melts now
wide with awe of a diamond wonder shining gleams
only if your were here embracing life magic majestic
love to spoil and cook for you something so delicious
putting your feet up softly watching a real-heart movie
sounds real my dream bride so beautiful and so real
as I looked into a candle as it flickers alone quietly
one light thinking dancing in thoughts all-together
night shades color the luster of a silver star winking
a small shadow pervades ever so blotting starlight
slightly as I hear you calling me as shades whisper
in our crowded corner thoughts of passionate love
distant faraway wonders breathless whispers calling
me toward simple things catching my breathing sighs
just throwing a few more turf on the fire right now
starting to heat up my frozen breaths icy steaming
clouds misting as the sky clouds my breath true blue
sweet dreams princess sits regal crowning charming
with the angels filled within love flying without wings
catch you in my dreams tonight until the sun kisses
your face and eyelids golden warm beautiful bright
Gary Bateman and Liam McDaid – A Collaborated Poem,
Copyright © All Rights Reserved (May 14, 2015)
(Unrhymed Tercet)
Copyright ©
liam mcdaid
Flirty Sunflowers
sultry sunflowers
stretch long necks to kiss the sun …
on tippy tiptoes
Copyright ©
Pandita Sanchez
Baby it seems I've been waiting for years
So wipe away all those gone awry tears
I need you to come right over here
I will make your troubles all disappear
Your sweet smile and deep eyes are a delight
Come hold me tight on this beautiful night
Swing and we sway as we dance our first dance
Our eyes on each other, I'm deep in your trance
Your strength, your beauty, as perfect as a rose
Our hearts come together when I hold you close
When the dancing is over, I won't let you go
It's just the beginning of this fabulous show
My feelings are strong, one's I cannot dismiss
Come a little closer for this incredible kiss
Because love is of time,
woven into the fabric where lovers dwell.
It measures caresses like floating wings from butterflies
and turns its clock hands with every melding kiss.
To be bound by a slow movement of a vanishing night,
when the moon is full and mouths dance across skin.
Time chains lovers to its moors,
anchored until the coming storm.
When flesh merges with flesh,
moved by passion,
driven by hunger, searching for a sanctuary.
As each chain is torn, a veil drops,
revealing captured fires that burn within.
Exposing a vulnerable heart, with all its scars,
now caught.
Leaving a flickering shadow, where lovers once lay,
to explore their dreams.
Before being washed away by time's moving sand,
that forever dwindles.
Because love is of time.
contest Hotsy Totsy
Copyright ©
Frederic Parker
That first kiss from you put my heart out of whack
Shaking at my knees, there was no turning back
I'm hooked, I'm baited you've captured my soul
Your kindness and affection have taken their toll
The passion you give me has awakened me tonight
I'm not putting up a fight, these feelings are so right
Your silhouette in the spotlight puts me in a trance
With a tremble in my voice, I ask you to come dance
Slow dancing the night away, it is poetry in motion
Your touch so soft and smooth, evoking every emotion
My feet are floating, my heart is soaring in heaven, so it seems
I'll capture the moment, not let you go, you're the girl my dreams
With the wind this eve, I blow my kiss
in perchance it makes your door
It will sit and wait with the olive tree,
the crimson rose, and all that you adore
and in your morn when you appear
it'll land softly 'pon your cheek
there it'll rest til the day is done
surrounded by mystique
In the midst of night it'll start to speak
as you begin to doze and dream
of a life so sweet and a love so strong
under stars that shine and gleam
Upon shy reach,
His fingers touch mine—
Quickly though, they move away from me…
I bite his lips,
Crushing his coiling coy
And snatch his hands back onto me
I am a cobra…
I dance to the beat of his anxious worship
Copyright ©
Laura Breidenthal
Was it all a sweet dream or just reality?,
I sit and ponder that very thought,
During the daylight and in the nighttime,
Wondering, were we ever there or not?
A crescent moon smiled down on me,
Shedding it's white light upon the ground,
I sat amongst the petals, waiting patiently,
And it was there, that me, you found.
Lavender flower petals I did pluck,
As I was seated atop the green hillside,
Does he love me, or does he not?,
My love for you, I could not hide.
I only saw you as a dark silhouette,
A shadow that walked upon the ground,
Among silver stars and a midnight sky,
Your gentle voice was the only sound.
My darkened silhouette was no longer alone,
While yellow fireflies around me dance,
When you came to join me atop that hill,
In the meadow's softly illuminated romance.
I was embraced within your arms,
As your most tender kiss met mine,
On that one warm summer's night,
When our kindred spirits did entwine.
So sad was I when the time came to part,
As the rising sun shined golden upon my hair,
Although, what a beautiful dream it was,
When I awoke and found you there.
Waking Dreams Contest
April, 4th, 2014
Copyright ©
Kelly Deschler


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A while ago, well actually a couple of months ago, I was sick of knitting scarves etc. and I was looking for a new project. I was staring at my IPAD, and thought, "I could make a knitted IPAD cover.". So that is exactly what I did. It was easy and quick which is always a plus. I even knitted (more…)
So, the other day my web guy, Anthony from Blue Squid Media, was over and he brought me samples of his wife's duck tape purse. I couldn't believe how cute and fun they were, and they were made with duck tape. Duck tape is actually duct tape on steroids. It come is many colors and patterns. Now, you know how strong duct tape is, (more…)
I have had the love of knitting since I watched my mother create sweaters, hats and even argyle socks with nothing but 2 sticks and some string. My first attempts were fleeting to be sure…but I have persevered through the years. I recently found the first thing I ever attempted to knit tucked away in a box. I couldn't have been more than 7 or 8 years old. I was so proud of it upon completion. I refer to it as "it", because I am not quite sure what I had in mind when I created it. Perhaps a bookmark, or something more grand and beyond my capabilities at the time.
I have become a yarn glutton, having far more yarn than ongoing projects, as my husband lovingly points out. (On a side note, he built me an awesome yarn storage unit that I will show on a later post.) There is something so basic and almost primal about creating a garment from a piece of yarn. By itself, yarn can't clothe you or keep you warm, but in the hands of a crafty and somewhat talented person, one can be toasty warm and stylish on even the coldest of winter nights.
I am like most knitters I know, starter of many projects, but finisher of few. We just can't help ourselves when we see an inspiring project, we must dive in!.. The love with knitting can become like an addiction. I can barely put the needles down at times to do those pesky chores like laundry or cleaning. Sometimes, my need to knit will surpass even my need to cook. This year I am working on an idea to "clothe" the homeless and less fortunate with homemade scarves. I will be asking for volunteers, guidance and yarn donations in the upcoming months. You don't have to be an expert, just a knitter with the gift of love. This is my latest creation, that I plan to send to a girlfriend who is not as lucky as I. She lives on the East Coast, where winter is really winter.
As I write this post, I can't help but wish I was at home, curled up on the couch with sticks and string in my hands. The love of knitting continues.


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I received a B.S. in Mathematics from the University of Minnesota Institute of Technology (1992), an M.A. in Mathematics from the University of New Mexico (1996), and M.S. (1998) and Ph.D. (2000) degrees in Statistics from U.C. Davis.
My research interests over the last 15 years include survival analysis, Bayesian nonparametric priors, and diagnostic screening. Recent projects involve spatial modeling through frailties and copulas, ordinal data models, and Bernstein polynomials. Publications.
My current Ph.D. graduate students are Junshu Bao and William Cipolli. Previous Ph.D. students include Ling Xu (2005), Mingan Yang (2006), Luping Zhao (2008), Yuhui Chen (2012), Li Li (2014), and Haiming Zhou (2015).
Office hours (Fall 2015): 11:30am-12:30pm Tuesday/Thursday.
770 - Categorical Data Analysis (Fall 2015)
Stat 520 - Time series analysis (Fall 2015)
705 - Data analysis II (Spring 2015)
704 - Data analysis I (Fall 2014)
Stat 730 - Multivariate analysis (Fall 2014)
205 - Elementary Statistics for the Biological and Life Sciences (Spring 2014)
Stat 705 - Data Analysis II (Spring 2014)
Talk on survival analysis via spatial copulas at the International Conference on Survival Analysis in Memory of John P. Klein, Medical School of Wisconsin, June 2014.
Talk on survival analysis via spatial copulas at the University of Alabama Dept. Mathematics, April 2015.


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August 4 2008, 03:42 AM
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Re: Transformers 2
I didn't click on the link to read that but here are other factors:
1. Bay said the new script is awesome
2. He indicated more scenes with just Transformers, including accents on their faces and emotions than before.
3. Arcee will be in the movie
4.) I heard Jetfire will be activated by Sam using the piece of the Allspark recovered by Prime at the end of the first film. I guess he will understand that he is more an Autobot than decepticon.
4) Shia's recent hand injury from his accident (his hand was severely crushed) may be worked into the script.
5) While it's possible that other characters will take on diff. forms, Prime will eb the same. Jazz and Megs may return.
6) Wheeljack may be in the film.
No more adventures! I'm not going that way!
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ruby, white and black pebbled leather convertible tote
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color: Ruby / White / Black Supple, pebbled leather with polished, pale goldtone hardware Black-detailed, white leather strap bases extend down front and rear; smooth white trim at opening and base sides Inset snap closure at center 14'' rolled leather top handles with 5'' drop; 37'' buckle-adjustable, clip removable leather strap with 16'' drop Cotton twill lining with large zip pocket and three organizational pockets Protective feet at base Measures approximately 19'' at widest x 12'' tall at center x 5'' deep. Leather; Italy; style# 327796601