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Founded By Geniuses And Run By Idiots
Originally posted at Monty Pelerin's World blog,
H. L. Mencken correctly observed:
Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent.
Mencken also was prescient:
As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
But this is not about Mr. Mencken. Rather it is about some unknown individual who committed the following to the email world:
Food for thought…
- If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If you have to get your parents' permission to go on a field trip or take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If the only school curriculum allowed to explain how we got here is evolution, but the government stops a $15 million construction project to keep a rare spider from evolving to extinction … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the government … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If, in the largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a 24-ounce soda because 24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If an 80-year-old woman can be stripped searched by the TSA but a woman in a hijab is only subject to having her neck and head searched … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If your government believes that the best way to eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If a seven year old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher "cute," but hosting a sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with spankings while children of addicts are left in filth and drug infested "homes"… you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks, Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If the government's plan for getting people back to work is to incentivize NOT working with 99 weeks of Unemployment checks and no requirement to prove they applied but can't find work … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If you pay your mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big screen TV while your neighbor buys iPhones, TV's and new cars, and the government forgives his debt when he defaults on his mortgage … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
- If being stripped of the ability to defend yourself makes you more "safe" according to the government … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
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Actually... true geniuses would never have created a oountry that could be bought and sold and run by idiots but I like your sentiments all the same...
How do we correct humanity's worst invention?
Yeah, they did forget the 11th Amendment, which should have read: "No one shall be entitled to more gubmint cheese than anyone else."
But now we know.
(welfare prevention amendment)
"Actually... true geniuses would never have created a oountry that could be bought and sold and run by idiots..."
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
-Alexis de Tocqueville
Excellent riposte.
End the Fed.
the definition of the Fed and Wall Street: "created by idiots, run by genius's." which would you rather have? the fact that "everyone wants to get rich and has to have money" says to me "i'd rather have something at least designed by a genius." anywho "what a beautiful madness we have wrougt." all in a time of plenty no less. doesn't having a Fed Chairman tell the Federal Government and the American people "they should spend more" just sum the whole thing up? i love the headline i'll never read: "genius world renowned economist says the solution is to spend more." wow...some deep thinking that is. "comes with a Nobel Prize included!" wow. "hey! dipshit! when you spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS (after borrowing it of course) WHERE DOES IT GO?" (and no the correct answer is not "on lower interest rates" or "zero growth in the economy.")
Oh my gosh. I live in a country founded by geniuses but run by ...
You take my EBT card and I will cut you so bad you will wish I didn't cut you so bad.
truth is, that is an untrue quote of Alexis de Tocqueville.
If you can cite a source from his actual writings, please do.
evolution I think
Mother Nature is going to straighten this shit right the fuck out. Bet on it.
We can start by using proper words and definitions - like Treason, Traitor, Usurper, Psychopath and Sociopath.
Using words like 'Idiots' to describe what has happened to our government over the last century is to liken it to a cartoon and make it sound cute, like it was Gilligan or the Three Stooges running things ... but it's become far more insidious - and far more dangerous - than that.
Exactly. A family member of mine got upset because I described Wall St CEOs and politicians as psychopaths, saying they don't have a conscience, they don't have morals, but they can fake it decently enough. She thought it bordered on defamation. I said the evidence more than backs it up, if you look at these people's callousness re: human life. We are talking about people that make laws strictly to cut out the competition (e.g. the drug trade). That finance both sides of a war. That will steal from old folks (ZIRP). They will lie with a straight face.
Thats psychopathic behavior, well-adjusted to modern society as it may be.
Master–slave morality is a central theme of Nietzsche's works. Nietzsche argued that there were two fundamental types of morality: 'Master morality' and 'slave morality'. Master morality weighs actions on a scale of good or bad consequences unlike slave morality which weighs actions on a scale of good or evil intentions. What he meant by 'morality' deviates from common understanding of this term. For Nietzsche, a particular morality is inseparable from the formation of a particular culture. This means that its language, codes and practices, narratives, and institutions are informed by the struggle between these two types of moral valuation. Master–slave morality provides the basis of all exegesis of Western thought. While slave morality values things like kindness, humility and sympathy, master morality values pride, strength, and nobility.
Notice that the two are not incompatible, nor is either absolutely correct or incorrect. The problems arise when enough from either class start to act outside the direction of their innate moral compass. We should all be able to get along regardless, but we don't, because there is no personal profit in doing so.
Yeah but, wasn't Nietzsche a psychopath?
Yes, he was a wack job, but let's keep that on the QT.
More or less. Opinion differs as to whether his breakdown and confinement in a mental institution was due to manic depression, tertiary syphilis or some other condition.
Many of the great thinkers and agitators (who may or may not have been correct in much of what they claimed or believed, but who spawned revolutions in thought, doctrine & innovation), were drinkers, fighters & just plain all-coked-up.
Psychopath might be too generous for these creeps because it implies there is an element of their actions that is not fully within their control. The terms we should be using to describe TPTB would be terrorist, criminal, and kleptocrat.
They are not idiots, they just sound like idiots trying to justify their theft in the softest light.
Policies are working exactly as feathers their beds.
Psychopathic traitors, absolutely.
The old complaint "oh, that's stupid" may make one feel superior, but it does not accomplish anything... which is fine by them as long as the money and perks go into their pockets.
I remember a long time ago in a criminal case, one of the last lines defense counsel argued in closing was that his client could not have possibly said that to the witness because only an idiot would say that. I stood up and said, that's the funny thing, the really smart criminals, you rarely see them in here.
Not arguing, but there is not much sense in playing Pick-the-DSM, as the end result is the same, eventually.
The Psychopath doesn't last long, but the Narcissist and the Sociopath -- the pathologically Self-Absorbed -- are able to integrate themselves into a control structure quite nicely, where they thrive and feed off each other, until the mission itself is no longer recognized.
Take it to heart -- what is not within their control is their entire Personality and how it relates to the outside world.
And of course, they haven't the slightest clue nor concern that it is an issue in the first place.
That is the greatest, most dangerous Entitlement the world has ever known.
An Al Gore owned corporation Bloom Energy was busted last month, they were paying Mexican laborers $2.66 an hour for cleaning chemical batteries (without proper safety equipment no doubt).
AlGore is worth hundreds of millions if not a billion dollars, Colin Powell was also a major stockholder and director.
i think history has shown that neither man would do anything illegal, hypocritical or dishonest
The swashbuckling climateer...Captain Al Gore...lol.
Avast me hearties, thar be the innocents to be plundered on the horizon and fortunes to be made...arrrrrrr.
Thats psychopathic behavior, well-adjusted to modern society as it may be.
Somebody really smart once said "To say that one is well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society is no measure of mental health."
George Bush Jr was not an idiot? Come now let us be reasonable.
There are many.
Also add Conspiracy Theorists. When the truly insane people conspire they just call it policy when in fact they ARE the Conspiracy Theorists!
Also as Stefan Molyneux might say...
You may tell them "Fuck You" and walk away but they fucking point their guns at you and throw you into a cage!
How do we correct humanity's worst invention?
Easy! Just walk away from it!
Without obedience, it will die fast... but it will NEVER change until then.
Why should they change as long as you obey everything they say?
Never gonna happen. Name one instance in history in which a people voluntary chose to dissolve their state, not their government, their entire state.
only by killing
No, killing is their game - the one thing they excel at.
And it is almost entirely unnecessary anyway.
Really. OK.....How then *does* one deal with a mad dog? A mad dog that won't let you 'just walk away', who makes it his mission in life to harass/hurt/steal from/kill you. That's government in a nutshell. If, as you say, killing it is "almost entirely unnecessary anyway", what's your approved method of a) making it leave you alone and b) keep it from hurting other people?
That is why the Second Amendment is there, it wasn't about duck hunting.
it was about duck and cover
Presuming that you are serious and not just arguing, I shall answer:
If, as you say, killing it is "almost entirely unnecessary anyway", what's your approved method of a) making it (the mad dog state) leave you alone and b) keep it from hurting other people?
First, it is not my job to stop it from hurting others. If they WANT it, I shall not rip it from them.
As for "making it leave me alone," all I have to do is avoid it, and there are hundreds of ways to do so. Big corps use offshore structures to be left alone, illegal immigrants use other means. It's only the compliant who are bled dry.
You're a clever fellow, figure out what works for you.
Back to the main point: Violence is what the state does, and what their supporters love them for. Playing that game is bad strategy. Sure, you have to shoot a thug that tries to kill your wife or kid, but that is thankfully uncommon. States are strengthened by violence, not weakened.
Stop feeding it.
In its whole history the US government has never knuckled under to guns. But it has knuckled under to voters thousands of times. 10,000 men, or 1,000 women properly organized could make the government change their mind about anything. Back when votes counted. So, voting reform and political organization is what works. Guns are a distraction they KNOW they can control.
When a band of citizens with deer rifles goes up against the US Army guess who wins?
PS If you think they will never be able to get soldiers to shoot American civilians, they don't have to. All they have to do is get the civilians to shoot the soldiers and give the soldiers permission to defend themselves.
Unicor and the defense contractors make a profit out of fighting those who fight back. Good luck with that.
What is a pyramid without a stable bottom layer? A soon-to-be pile of sand.
What happens to a pyramid scheme when the bottom layer decides to stop participating?
"What happens to a pyramid scheme when the bottom layer decides to stop participating?"
The pyramid collapses, the second layer from the bottom loses their money, and the top layer laughs all the way to the bank. That is how pyramid schemes are supposed to work.
Since the article began by quoting H. L. Mencken, here's another one:
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
Whew.. that's a relief.
I was starting to think I was not normal for a while there.
Stole my thunder, its one of my favorite Mencken quotes.
Only because I'm normal, I think ;-)
those pirate analogies always make me nervous
ROTFL!!!...its a fine line isn't it? I'm comfortable with either, as long as we ALL play by the same rules, which isn't the case these days it seems.
Maybe we both need to bone up on old skills ;-)
aye nmewn, and ZH is one of me better crow's nest
Aaaarrrrggghhh, once again, they've confused the head with the poop deck
now where's that hempen halter?
The construction projects stopped due to 'environmental' concerns... Who are we kidding, this is graft and cronyism and typical of... A racket! Its basically a 21st century 'protection racket'.
they are the ......."real men of genius"...(can u hear that guy singing in the backround)...
I hear Trolololo Guy.
They didn't. It took several Constitutional Amendments and a criminally bent media and judiciary to create it.
A driver was stuck in a traffic jam on the highway outside
Washington, DC. Nothing was moving. Suddenly, a man knocks on the window.
The driver rolls down the window and asks, "What's going on?"
"Terrorists have kidnapped Congress, and they're asking for a $100 million dollar ransom. Otherwise, they are going to douse them all in gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, collecting donations."
"How much is everyone giving, on average?" the driver asks. The man replies, "Roughly a gallon."
Drain my fucking 35-gallon tank bone dry, buddy!
For the cause!
Makes you onder why the so called terrorsts didn't go for the White House or Congress.
I guess they thought that the White House and Congress could cause more damage to the USA than they could with a plane.
It's called professional courtesy.
Because they knew who their true masters are.
Makes you wonder why the so called terrorists didn't go for the White House or Congress.
For the same reason Hitler wasn't assassinated....they knew he would destroy Germany faster than the allies could!!
Dude rode around Paris and was very shootable. French are pussies for one thing and comfortable with socialist tyranny on the other. Also probably weren't a lot of scoped hunting rifles in Parisian closets.
This is truly funny but people are responsible for their election, either by voting for them or by abstaining.
What kind of a democracy and what kind of free people can't come up with a decent candidate that will at least put a dent into a sick system of alternating idiots.
I don't mind a down vote, but there is something quite sad about a nation that cannot voice its discontent through a viable third candidate or party.
So will the down ticker please explain his down tick or is it just personal?
the game is controlled ,....really you are here and still dont know how it works.....let me help you out...if they ever thought someone would threaten , ndaa baby.......
I didn't ding you, but if I did, it would be because you said not voting makes me culpable for the evils of DC.
The entire system is corrupt, and no one is going to change it. Ron Paul gave it shot, and how far did he get?
Screw the system entire. States suck... all of them.
There is indeed something sad about a nation who cannot voice it's discontent at the ballot box but their are more than a few sad things about our nation at this point I'm afraid
Also I think what is discontent for us is complacency for most
and to CH1, not voting isn't sad if you really don't feel you can possibly affect change. What's sad is people voting for typical candidates thinking they CAN affect change
[So will the down ticker please explain his down tick or is it just personal]
Maybe it's your screen name – try something a little more neutral like mine. Usually the down arrows is just an outlet for the unsophisticated. They can't put their anger into written words …. So,,,,, it's just easier to click the arrow and somehow you're supposed to see their point of view – pathetic actually.
Peter Pan,
- Member for
- 2 years 4 weeks
- I just gave you a "down-tick" only for that, not because of your original statement.
- Now carry on, and quit being such a pussy.
Peter my down tick was centered around the abstaining comment. I'm not sure why others abstain; but I refuse to vote in a rigged, manipulated game. btw: I have voted; locally where I know the psychopaths playing the game.
I stopped reading at "what kind of Democracy" thinking you lived in Cuba since we are a Constitutional Republic or we are suppose to be but everyone thinks they live in a fucking DemoCrazy.
I've quit even trying to explain it boo.
From this day Forward anyone who mentions democracy in the context of what this nation started out to be gets an automatic down vote from me. A democracy will give you anything you want with a majority vote despite how unfair or "unjust" it is to the minority...imbeciles.
Fucking democracy...lol...we are sooooooo screwed.
What an asshole PP is. If you're gonna post comments on ZH you're gonna get downticked.
Personally I like to get downticked, upticked, sideticked, and any other ticked as long as they have three breasts, two vaginas and a partridge in a pear tree.
So get bent. By the way, I should downtick ya just for whining about being downticked.
Other than that, have a nice day you downticked bitch.
I down ticked you for down ticking him because he didn't down tick you – just kidding ha ha – actually not that funny …… <crickets>
I only down tick MDB because a down = up for him.
If you get a down tick it just means you're doing / saying something right. When some are presented with the facts … they just can't accept the truth and their only option is a down tick (sometimes not always). Take it as a compliment. Some here have fine tuned and tweaked their comments specifically for the up arrows. How fucked up is that? You can't even be yourself? ROFL. Always trying to be accepted ….. lying to yourself (freddie). How do they even look at themselves in the mirror? Assuming Mommy's basement has a mirror they have access to.
Down Tick?? You mean Junked or Trashed?
Just mention Jews or Niggers if you want that shit...
my niggas.
Democracy and free people can't exist together.
We are not supposed to be a democracy, but we are becoming one at the same rate we are becoming a soft tyranny. V
The v was a typo believe it or not, but I'm pleased to have summoned you nevertheless.
A republic and free people can't exist together.
Free people without a republic cannot exist together.
As much as anarchy has an appeal, it cannot be. Someone will be maltreated at some point, who does the injured turn to for redress? No man is an island, he will be consumed by the majority, so he then seeks alliance with the also injured, forming a clan or tribe...however you want to term it.
So, there will be war between clans or there will be law for all of that society, a republic...for the clans in it, if you wish.
A just law says (and that is key), no one...senator, congress critter, president, CEO, board member, king or servant etc. is above it, the law. A democracy requires ONLY a simple majority (American Idol style...lol) to place someone...anyone...above the law. To be above the law, unjudgeable, untouchable for their individual actions.
Once that happens, its tyranny and can revert back to war in order to correct...thats why they call "democracy" the tyranny of the majority.
Its really that simple.
it's tinkerbell, she's still pissed about wendy
It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.
Not run by idiots, they know exactly what they're doing, who they're enriching and who they're screwing.
Some of them do anyway
Obama knows
Benny knows
Dimon knows
No, not idiots. It's being run by fucking thugs...........
Why not both and idiot and a thug? Insert the name of your favorite politician here. _____________________
excellent summation but we are not run by idiots - we are ruled by nazis
no I think they hate middle class of all colors, faith and sexual preference
Jeremiah wright was ans is big on anti-middle class themes. His anti-Americanness explains the obamas loyalty. 20 years of Sundays.
Founded by geniuses? So mass genocide is genius now?
Removal Act, 1830.
Trying to kill the cockroaches.
The founding US signers had their critics at the time as well, internally and even amongst themselves. State taught history tends to dull the details of the reality of that particular situation. If you want to read American history at that time and get a complete picture, you read the letters sent to England at the time during the birth of the USA.
Like any time and place there was the typical spread of friendships to loathing in the founding group. There are lots of myths about the revolution.
See England wasn't defeated by bullets, it's because the people working in the colony sayd "fuck you, we're keeping our money/your taxes and enjoy living on nothing."
Think of Greece as a student of the Early revolutionaries. People dropped off the tax roster pretty fast once they knew what was up. Want to change things, take the money away. You hired them. You can stop paying them.
Which is why the elites are afraid to death of corporate and tax boycotts. Take the money out of the Wall St. banks, convert to PMs and other tangible assets, NEVER buy from Walmart, national fast food co.s etc.
The only thing that scares them more is the people becoming aware of the desirability of a debt jubilee. Who wins? Debtors/debt slaves/everyone.
Who loses? The creditor/Wall St/TBTF/Rothschild/Illuminati/Fractional Reserve banksters...
"Debt jubilee" sounds to me like a cousin of the free shit army.
Not really. Those in the free shit army wouldn't get a penny after the point because a Jubillee flattens the government income to zero (remember it's all debt by this point) and they would have to wait until the taxes are collected on the next fiscal year.
For a year there would be no government. Hence the reason only 'semi-dieties' like kings and queens were allowed to declare a jubillee because just like the Pope. Royality carries the infalibility of God and his judgement being final. While atheism is required in daily secular life it removed the single function that regulated medieval economies from tipping completely into the shitter.
Fear of the god head saying nobody owes anyone anything as of today.
Today though that would sound completely insane.
(I think: interesting!)
That's why having physical is pretty damn important. The paper bonds/fiat/loan papers would all be rendered worthless. Guess what becomes the currency again? PM's, while all that happens the first guys that have PM's are mega rich, but as time goes on. Bonds are written against the gold in the vault versus IOU's. England has been flat on it's ass broke twice a century for 1600 years.
It's why there's no really old old blood past from past 1880 and fewer still after 1930. A Jubillee is a reset button. Countless journals of self important blow hards over four hundred years that buy/grant themselves titles as Duke of Such and such, get into some investments that are poorly timed.
Then poof! Family fortune gone. The titles and land revert to the crown. It's why in commonwealth countries all property ownership is based on a lease to the crown, it's suppose to coincide with the lease date on the jubillee historically. If you want to read something that would blow your mind. The tally stick. Common currency in England for a couple of hundred years was sticks.
If you were a peasant or a lord in the 1100 century that was a twenty dollar bill. That was a steak, a drunken spree, and the finest toothless crotch washed whore in the township. Good times.
That's also why England has never had any massive uprising like France had/have/will have. They have a god head that can run the place any time they wish to. The term Royal in front of any Commonwealth nation's Espirit de Corp is no mistake. Loyal to the Crown. If Elizabeth the ][ wished a Jubillee across all of England and the Commonwealth tommorrow it would be done the same moment it was commanded legally by the governor generals that sit in all Commonwealth Parliments. The Queen is still, THE QUEEN. It is in her power.
It's in the bible. It's the only thing that ends the multigenerational indentured servitude due to compounding interest. That or completely banning all forms of usuary.
It is completely forbidden by all Abrahamic Religions because the Jews watched Egypt destroyed by it (fait and bonds and a very traditional trade of gold smith), the Christians watched the Romans then again destroy their own Empire with fiat and paper (seriously, paper money is not new).
It's the reason for a jubilee, the original mercenaries that were hired by Rome to watch out over their property (aka England) got screwed hard. All that paper signed was worthless, promises were worthless. So the mercenaries took the property and that is that.
England is the mercenaries repo and seizure. The Jubilee is the release valve that acts as the brake pad. People have a strange idea that people sat around and flogged themselves and prayed to god, etc, etc.
Which they did, they also worked, the newest invention a common language of communication (latin). People wrote a lot...there really wasn't much to do. There are science fiction stories, economics lessons, nature dialogues, diagrams of advanced water engines which helped develop mills, everything that Google is today, that was Rome. And it was understood that humans are exceptionally retarded with money, so there has to be a release valve. So that's what the answer was.
Doesn't have to make sense either...money is a representation of faith. A person has to believe it's worth something.
That, and peasant revolts. Also, it goes way back past the bible. A good read and an interesting perspective on debt, money, and government.
Way off topic. Does anyone know how to get a 1040 instruction booklet. I went to the main post office and the library. The post office had nothing out; I didn't wait in line to ask. The library had instruction for the 1040EZ; like instructions are needed. I know I can do without, but I dog ear the sections I need and besides if I have to spend a week on this I want to be as comfortable as I can be during the process.
While I'm at it why don't they just do my taxes and send me a copy?
Why would you pay a bad employee that's lost you 110 trillion dollars?
Works for me.
EDIT: Agent beat me to it.
Thanks, but I can print a copy myself. I was hoping for a cheap newsprint copy. It seems to me that they are just pushing another cost onto the consumer (me). It cost to much to print that many pages on an inkjet printer.
What I will end up doing it seems is printing off those pages I need. This seems silly, but I'm one of those people who just barely need to file the long form, but I have to. I don't mind the concept of electronic filing, but why do they make us file at all; they have all the information for most of us. I'm waiting for Anonymous to hack the IRS since I'm sure they are hackable.
I actually use software to compute my taxes and have found several cases where it misses things that are in the booklet like points on refinancing.
Like Greece, you won't find any tax return forms in any office.
To do that, you actually have to pay your printers and suppliers which has been a big problem on the Hill. I've understood that all sorts of silly memos have been delivered all over all agencies discussing using office supplies for the office.
Which is managerial code for "loot the shit out of the supply cabinet, it's going to be a while before you see another pen in here".
I posted something in Jan about the 'technical' problems IRS refunds were having.
www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040.pdf (requires 1/2 ream of copy paper to dog ear)
You could also try your nearest IRS office...while there, please take note of the armed guard. If your government places armed guards in tax offices, but won't allow them in schools, you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots...see, you weren't off topic at all.
Got mine from the library, but you can also download PDFs of tax forms and instructions from the IRS website, though going there feels a bit like what I imagine a pious minister would experience if he wandered into an S&M club run by Satan.
Yet those statists fuckers will never understand... America needs a big fucking purge of these scum.
The founding fathers certainly were not geniuses, and no the US has never really been a home for Civilized Men. Civilized Men do not need to steal from each other through taxation and inflation.
They were geniuses with balls compared to the rest of the world.
So we should annul all the amendments?
Love the flag NidStyles, but Jefferson, Sam Adams and some others were great men.
Perhaps you're seeking modern perfection from men born more than 250 years ago. That's unfair and rather unkind.
And if you really want to know these men, read their correspondence.
If "theft" is a crime but "asset forfeiture" isn't … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If "for the children" justifies anything but "for yourself" justifies nothing … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
If a "state of emergency" lasts 35 years or more and counting … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
Enough: one could go on all day thus.
Founded by geniuses...I always love this deification of the founders of the US. Sure, a few of them were geniuses, but there were also slave owners, ordinary guys and a handful of hustlers amongst them. They set this place up as a business to retain as much wealth as possible for themselves while they exploited what they could from nature and people. The freedom and righteous stuff were add-ons to that racket so the indentured servants would buy in. All of it only applied to white men too. Property owners at that.Considering all of this, I would say we pretty much have the government they set out to create.
Also, the people in this government come from the system that created them. We have an overbearing, cumbersome, controlling, insecure, rude and thoughtless government, because this country is filled with overbearing, cumbersome, controlling, insecure, rude and thoughtless people.
Which of the following thoughts do you think are foremost in the mind of anyone elected as a senator, congressman or president these days:
1. Now I can do something great for this country and my fellow citizens;
2. Oh yeah! It's my turn at the trough!!!
I'll pick #2 because it reflects the vast majority of people who live in the US. Accept the reality folks and get past the myths and delusions.
Even if it is 1 it still will work badly.
After all it will be an idea of this individual of how to make other people happy and he will be incentivised to pursue his dream (noble, or not so much) with ... other's people money. If a private man wants more people to own their homes he can start some charity, give away some of his money, or encourage saving and honest work. If a president wants more people to own their homes he makes a grand scheme that not only fails, but "helps" people that value other things higher than owning houses while robbing others to pay for it and pay expenses of the transfer and pay off votes and pay of faciliators like banks.
So then, absolute anarchy with purely market forces making ALL decision is the only answer? In a world of 7 billion people? I'm not sure it would work when so few people accept responsibility for their own actions. It's a nice theory with lots of fun rhetorical arguments for it by libertarian types, but not tenable in the real world. It also has no historical precedence in any culture beyond tribal systems.
I'm not sure it would work...
Honestly, George, it's none of your damn business how we live.
Go live however you wish. We'll even cooperate if we can. But we want to be left alone to live our way.
If it fails, that's our problem, not yours.
How you live is of absolute zero interest to me. Believe it or not, it's not ALL about YOU. If that's the best you can do in comprehending what I stated then I believe this conversation is well beyond your depth.
> It also has no historical precedence in any culture beyond tribal systems.
You say 'tribal systems' like it's low-brow. FYI, dumbass - there's a tribal system now running this entire fucking planet and it seems they've permeated every nook and fuckin' cranny. Very effective, they are, those tribesmen.
The height of stupidity is thinking that a handful of elites can make all the decisions for 7 billion people.
I didn't say 'a handful of elites' - I said tribe.
And seriously, think about who those 7B are - mostly proles of some nature or another who don't have the ability/wherewithal/resources/intelligence to tell the oppressors to fuck off, or run their own affairs in the first place. You bet your sweet ass that a handful of ultra-resourceful - power, wealth, resources - own this planet and make all the big decisions - like war, poverty, famine, disease, land use - for everyone else.
I have always been impressed at what the "founding fathers" created. Many people don't seem to get that they were amateurs: it was a part time gig which they fit into their schedule unlike our current crop of career politicians. I'm sure they considered their own interest, but it worked.
So, it was kind of like a Chamber of Commerce where they worked on it in their spare time to better their business?
I agreem they did do an impressive job. However, a lot of mythology and idealism gets thrown into all of it and that tends to cloud things. Just like religion.
Can't say I agree with your premise.
Just because many of the people who go into government are corrupt, blood sucking slimeballs doesn't mean that this was planned and intended by the founding fathers and was part of a plot.
I believe they did their best *at the time* to create a constitution that would guarantee freedom for every person. The problems have arisen since then over very many decades of successive govenments.
Actually, women and non-white people have attained much more freedom since them. Admittedly, they did set up the ability to do it, but it also shows it hasn't been pure evil, corrupt, slimeballs ever since "the good ole days."
Also, I must be on the right track if the troll who dwell here are voting me down. Thanks trolls.


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Holy crap. It picked me?!?!?! I haven't even been doing a good job of keeping up with the threads and it picks me? Wow.
Okay, let me think here....
I think I'll go with a "fun" episode, and as it was mentioned that DS9 has been a little under-represented, I'll go with DS9. So let's do...
"Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang"
Now, the question is, should I take back the reins and start this thread myself, thereby denying
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This past November, the healthcare industry got its first taste of the new spot-check audits performed by the Office of Civil Rights to enforce HIPAA compliance efforts. Now, in the midst of the OCR pilot program, many providers are wondering if they'll be among the unlucky few to undergo an OCR audit.
"It's an issue that's getting a lot of air time right now, and a lot of people are wondering whether or when or what would cause them to be on this list of organizations that could get a call or a knock on the door from OCR," said Mahmood Sher-Jan, vice president of product management at ID Experts.
"It is like winning the lottery," said Chris Apgar, president and CEO at Apgar & Associates. "It's true – only 150 audits this calendar year, and the latest from the Office of Civil Rights is it's anticipating the program will start off in June instead of July. They anticipate finishing the pilots and collecting all the data by the end of this month, and doing the evaluation and modifications to the program to make it more consistent. So, if you happen to be lucky and your number comes up, there are really a few reasons why you're going to get an audit."
Sher-Jan and Apgar outline three hot buttons that could trigger an OCR audit.
1. Prior breaches involving 500 or more patient records. If you've reported one or more breaches affecting 500 patient records or more, said Sher-Jan, your chances of being audited could go up. "It's the types of event that would attract a headline for your organization and get you a lot of national coverage that could make you a target for being audited or a poster boy for lack of compliance," he said. There may not be hard evidence proving numerous breaches automatically calls for an audit, he added, but logically it is something to keep in mind. "The more your entity continues to get air time at the OCR and in the media, I think there is a probability that your chances would improve." The number 500 is key in keeping track of these types of breaches, since a breach of this size requires notifications to be made not only to those affected, but also OCR. "That's when you show up on the Wall of Shame of OCR, and if you show up on that wall, your chances could increase," said Sher-Jan.
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These quilt squares were produced as a project of the Healthy Pregnancy Network, part of the Capital Area Healthy Start Coalition. Families that have experienced infant death make quilt panels each year in memory of their loved ones. / JEFF BURLEW/ Democrat photos
Who wants to talk about dead babies? Not most of us. Probably not you.
"It causes us to realize how fragile life is," said the Rev. Candace McKibben, pastoral-care coordinator for Big Bend Hospice. "We could lose a child. . . . It's unbearable to think about that, so we don't."
That reluctance may be the first barrier to bringing down the high infant-mortality rate in this area.
"It's not going to go away because we don't want to talk about it . . .," said Karen Simons, who lost a baby about two years ago from an ectopic pregnancy. "Twenty-five years ago AIDS was whispered about, cancer was whispered about. Eventually, hopefully, we can talk about (babies dying)."
Some people assume that because of our advanced medical technology, babies just don't die much, said Ruth Darling, coordinator of the perinatal bereavement program at Tallahassee Memorial Hospital.
But they do. Twenty-seven infants died in Leon County in 2006 — an average of at least two a month. Even more die in the womb. Eighty alone were lost in labor and delivery last year, Darling said, and that doesn't even count the women who never ended up in a hospital.
Although those perinatal deaths are not included in official infant-mortality statistics, the parents' grief is similar, Darling said.
"They experience the same trauma as those who had a baby that they could see and hold and touch," she said.
The community's response is similar in its reaction to those who lose an infant: silence, awkwardness, cliches.
Ann Davis, director of the Capital Area Healthy Start Coalition, said she once tried to get the faith community involved in the issue of infant mortality. She started making the rounds of pastors, bringing them information they could use in bulletins or sermons. They were polite but said infant mortality really wasn't a problem in their congregation. After hearing this about five times she asked one pastor, "Have you ever officiated at an infant's funeral?"
"He got a thoughtful look on his face and totally changed," Davis said. "Even ministers compartmentalize it because it's too difficult."
Sally Karioth, a Tallahassee grief counselor and traumatologist, said infants are often off people's radar because they haven't been around long enough to establish relationships with people outside the immediate family.
"It's not because they want to be mean," Karioth said, "but the death of a baby just doesn't carry the weight that a toddler or a teenager would."
She and others said people tend to resort to cliches to comfort grieving parents:
Darling said those comments may do more harm than good. Her suggestion: "Just shut up and listen."
That's what parents seem to want most.
"We want someone to take our hand and say, 'I'm sorry,'" said Simons. "For someone to just acknowledge the loss."
One area of improvement is the response of some physicians and hospitals. At TMH, for instance, babies who die in the womb or shortly after birth are photographed and imprints of their hands and feet are made. The parents can make a "memory box" that includes these and other items such as a lock of hair or a pair of booties. They can go home with something tangible.
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The City of Pittsburgh must turn over video footage from the in-car camera of a police officer who shot a man during a traffic stop in November, an Allegheny County judge ordered on Monday.
Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey A. Manning said the city must give the video to the District Attorney's Office, which will give it to Fred Rabner, a lawyer for Leon Ford, 19, of East Liberty.
Rabner said he wants to view the video to see whether it corroborates what police say happened on Stanton Avenue in Highland Park the night of Nov. 11.
Michael Kennedy, a lawyer for the city, said he opposed Rabner's request because Ford is awaiting a preliminary hearing on several charges. A hearing is scheduled for Thursday, although lawyers said that likely will be rescheduled.
Kennedy said he could not comment on the content of the video.
Ford is charged with recklessly endangering the lives of three officers and the aggravated assault of one of them, plus traffic offenses. Police say two officers stopped Ford for a traffic violation on Stanton near Farragut Street.
Ford gave the officers his driver's license and vehicle registration but allegedly refused to get out of the car. He began moving his hand, and it appeared he was reaching for what police feared was a gun, a criminal complaint states.
As one officer tried to pull Ford out of the car on the driver's side, Officer David Derbish, on the passenger's side, tried to grab Ford's hand. Ford accelerated toward a third officer, the complaint states.
To avoid being dragged, Derbish jumped in the car. As Ford accelerated, he tried to push Derbish out of the vehicle, and the officer shot him three times in the chest, police said.
Ford's family and supporters said the officer used deadly force when it wasn't warranted. Ford was not carrying a weapon.
Ford's father, Leon Ford Sr., said the cameras were installed to protect the public as well as police officers.
"It shouldn't have had to go that far," he said. "That's what they put the cameras in the car for."
The elder Ford refused to comment on what the video might show, saying he didn't "want to make allegations that come back to haunt us."
Rabner said Ford is recovering at a UPMC facility. He said Ford lost the use of his legs and is struggling to maintain use of his arms, but his mind remains "sharp."
"He remembers every single moment of the incident," he said.
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In "A Walk in the Woods: Rediscovering America on the Appalachian Trail," author Bill Bryson writes about bear encounters and how an attack "doesn't happen often, but - and here is the absolutely salient point - once would be enough."
The same could be said about encounters with anything dangerous, such as tornadoes. It's rare to find yourself in the direct path of one, but once would be enough.
As part of their effort to prepare Wisconsinites if they do find themselves in the path of a tornado, or other dangerous conditions, Wisconsin Emergency Management, ReadyWisconsin and the National Weather Service have declared this week as Tornado and Severe Weather Awareness Week.
The theme for the week is "listen, act and live." The agencies are stressing that people pay attention to the weather around them as well as the warnings.
"Listening to warnings and seeking shelter immediately will save lives," they say in a news release.
The peak tornado season runs from April to August, and the state averages about 23 a year. Last year, the state saw four confirmed tornadoes, but the year before, 38 were confirmed.
Tornadoes can be especially scary. Unlike a hurricane that the weather service can track for days, even weeks, before it hits land, tornadoes often give little or no warning, dropping out of the sky and cutting a swath of destruction.
That's what makes the advice to listen, act and live so important. These severe storms can be unpredictable, so often it's better to act than to wait and see.
As part of the awareness week, a statewide tornado drill will be held at 1 p.m. today. At that time, the National Weather Service will issue a mock tornado watch, followed by a mock tornado warning at 1:45 p.m. Radio, television and cable providers as well as weather radios will broadcast the test. Some communities will activate their outdoor sirens.
The drill will end at 2 p.m. The drill was postponed a day due to the chance of severe weather in southeast Wisconsin.
As Wisconsin Emergency Management says, this would be "an ideal opportunity for schools, businesses and families to practice safe procedures for severe weather."
Part of the reason for doing the test is that NOAA weather radios can be activated only with a real tornado warning code. So to test whether your weather radio is working, it needs a real code. Plus, radio and TV alerts are also triggered by the code.
Some might mock such drills. But being prepared in fast-changing weather conditions can save lives. Tornadoes are rare; deaths from tornadoes are even more rare. It still pays to take the drills seriously and to instruct your children on the proper way to react to warnings. That preparation might save your life, or the life of a loved one, some day.
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The This Is the End trailer looks kind of hilarious (and NSFW – mature audiences only). Everyone in it is hilarious, and Rihanna tells off Michael Cera and (spoiler alert) seems to die in the first act. (I don't know, looks like Mindy Kaling might fight her about it.) Emma Watson even makes a little cameo, seems like she's quite the little movie criminal this summer.


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Avoiding Politics: The UK Defence Ministry may speed up some programs ahead of next year's election, such as a plan to have contractors handle military air traffic control. (Royal Air Force)
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LONDON — The last time Britain had a general election, the winning Conservative-led coalition held up 17 defense programs approved by the previous Labour administration in the run up to the vote while they conducted a review of the various deals.
With a new election exactly a year away, the Defence Ministry appears to be trying to protect key programs from suffering a similar fate this time round.
One program MoD officials might accelerate from its original decision date of 2015 is the plan to use contractors to provide military air traffic management at British and overseas bases, said industry executives here.
Other programs could follow as executives here caution that with a May election followed by a strategic defense and security review and possible further defense budget cuts coming down the road 2015, it could create an even more difficult time to get contracts approved than it would be if the MoD did it now.
One executive said the two consortiums competing for the expected £1.5 billion (US $2.5 billion) Project Marshall deal had been working to a new tempo on the program for some time. Another said there had been no formal announcement of the timeline change, but that it was understood a preferred bidder could be selected around the end of the third quarter of this year.
A spokeswoman for the MoD confirmed that bringing forward selection was an option but said a final decision would await contractor selection.
Two proposals were received in early January and we are now in the final stages of discussions with the bidders. It is possible that a contract could be awarded earlier than the planned 2015 date but no decisions will be made until the preferred bidder is selected, she said.
The British have been trying to update their air traffic management since launching the Joint Military Air Traffic Services program in 2005.
Consortiums led by Lockheed Martin and Thales UK are starting to put the finishing touches to final tenders, expected to be submitted early this summer.
Doug Barrie, the senior air analyst at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said part of the reason for the MoDs caution on timing may come from the experience of getting earlier military-to-contractor-related programs through the process.
They never deliver signed contracts remotely near the time scale envisaged, he said.
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To keep your membership active, you must do one of the following during each fiscal year ending in March:
• Purchase at least $50 in products
• Purchase a minimum of one "B" Share
• Be a Fair Share member
Become a "Fair Share" Member.
Share owners make an additional investment in the Co-op to help
sustain its on-going commitment to providing top quality goods
and services at reasonable prices. Fair Share owners invest $300 in "B" Shares. Fair Share owners can also invest in dividend earning Class C shares. For information on Class C shares read the "Investing in Your Co-op: Frequently Asked Questions" or pick up a copy of it at Customer Service. For more information contact our Membership Coordinator at (707) 502-3555 ext. 135.
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Owners can have a voice in what is sold to them, as well as
in the overall organization of their particular co-op. Owners
get the most buying power for their money and the money stays
in the community, contributing to its economic strength.
Co-ops Are Everywhere
There are roughly 30,000 consumer cooperatives in the United States employing more than two million and bringing in $654 billion in revenue.
Every day in America, the lives of as many as 100 million people
are affected by cooperatives. The cooperative structure is
flexible and endlessly adaptable, and in the twenty-first
century co-ops provide almost every imaginable product and
service a person could ever need, literally from cradle to
There are co-ops that sell bicycles, furniture, camping equipment,
appliances, carpeting, clothing, crafts and books. There are
cooperative wholesalers, like those in the grocery, natural
foods and hardware businesses. There are cooperatives that
disseminate news and cooperatives for artists. There are cooperative
electric and telephone utilities. There are cooperatively managed
banks, credit unions and community development corporations.
There are thousands of farm co-ops, along with co-ops that
provide financing to those farm co-ops. There are subscriber-owned
cable TV systems and parent-run day-care centers.
There are cooperatively organized employee-owned companies,
cooperative purchasing groups for fast food franchises, and
various kinds of cooperative housing. There are co-ops that
provide health care, such as health maintenance organizations
and community health clinics. There are cooperative insurance
companies. There are cooperative food stores, food buying clubs
and discount warehouses. There are even cooperative funeral
In the Beginning
To truly understand cooperatives, you need to go back in history
just over 100 years to Rochdale, England. In 1844, 28 workers
formed the first successful cooperative. They were weavers,
shoemakers, cabinetmakers, tailors, printers, hatters and
engineers who together called themselves the Rochdale Equitable
Pioneers Society.
Cooperative societies existed before then, but the Pioneers
were doing something different, something that touched a nerve.
Although they couldn't have appreciated the significance, in
retrospect, it's clear their co-op profoundly changed the lives
of millions of working people. From a tiny store stocked
with healthy food staples-flour, sugar, butter and oatmeal
that the co-op's owners bought in quantity and sold to each
other at low prices-their idea established the fundamental
principles of modern cooperation that were eventually borrowed
by 700 million people in nearly 100 countries.
Most of this text was taken from "A Day in the Life of
Cooperative America," produced in 1994 for the National
Cooperative Bank in conjunction with its celebration of the
150th anniversary of the Rochdale Principles.
of Directors - 2015/2016
The North Coast Co-op is a wholly member-owned and governed organization
by a Board of Directors elected by our membership. The board can be contacted via email at firstname.lastname@example.com. All member correspondence to the board must be received eight days prior to the board meeting date in order to be included in the board packet. Members are invited and encouraged to attend meetings.
Next Meeting:
Thursday, December 3 @ 6:30pm
Co-op Community Kitchen, ARCATA // 971 8th Street
Board Meeting Agenda - November 2015 (PDF)
Board Meeting Minutes - September, 2015 (PDF)
(Only approved minutes can be posted. Please contact our Membership Coordinator at (707) 502-3555 ext. 135 for more current information.)
The current Board
members and terms are:
Dave Feral - Board Chair
11/01/14 - 10/31/17
Cheri Strong - Vice Chair & Employee Director
11/01/14 - 10/31/17
Steve Suttell - Treasurer
Colin Fiske - Secretary
11/01/15 - 10/31/18
Jessica Unmack - Board Member
11/01/13 - 10/31/16
Jeremy Cotton - Employee Director
04/02/15 - 10/31/16
Leah Stamper - Board Member
11/01/15 - 10/31/18
The Board operates four standing committees—Finance, Nominating, Member Action and Policies and Procedures. These committees contribute to the organization and operations in an advisory capacity. Summaries of their structures are listed below. Members are invited to attend.
Finance Committee
Reviews and analyzes all financial information to be presented
to the Board. Considers financial motions that ultimately must
be approved by the Board. This meeting is open to members.
The Chair is appointed by the Board President.
The Chair is Steve Suttell.
Consists of 4-11 members.
Staff liaison is Chief Financial Officer, Kelli Costa, (707) 502-3555 ext. 138
Meets quarterly.
Next meeting:
Next Meeting: February 18 @ 5:30pm
Ten Pin Conference Room // 793 K St. in Arcata
Finance Committee Meeting Agenda - November, 2015 (PDF)
Nominating Committee
Recruits and nominates candidates for the Board and committees.
Supervises the elections of and the training/development of leadership
in directors and committee members.
• The Chair is appointed by the Board President.
• Committee Chair is Cheri Strong.
• Consists of 3-5 members.
• Staff liaison is the Board Assistant, Bella Waters, (707) 382-3109
• Meets as often as deemed necessary for its functions.
Next Meeting: Tuesday, November 3* @ 1:15pm
*Changed from October 27
Ten Pin Conference Room // 793 K St. in Arcata
Nominating Committee Meeting Agenda - November 2015 (PDF)
Member Action Committee
Acts as an advisory committee to the Board, providing an organized structure for members to come together, to communicate their ideas and concerns, and to influence North Coast Co-op policy and practice. Contact via email firstname.lastname@example.com. Members are encouraged to attend.
• The committee chair is selected by the Member Action Committee
• No committee chair currently selected
• Any Co-op member can be on the committee
• Staff liaison is Marketing & Membership Director Melanie Bettenhausen (707)502-3555 ext 132
• Meets at the request of the Board of Directors.
Next Meeting: December 14 @ 6pm
Community Kitchen, Eureka // 25 4th Street
MAC Meeting Agenda -November 2015 (PDF)
To receive a full meeting packet email firstname.lastname@example.com and include your member number.
MAC Meeting Minutes - October 2015 (PDF)
Policies and Procedures Committee
Acts as an advisory committee to the Board, taking on issues delegated by the Board as well as reviewing all governing documents including Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws, Administrative Code and policies of the Co-op. This meeting is open to members.
The chair is the Board Secretary
Committee Chair is Colin Fiske.
Staff liaison to be determined.
Meets as often as deemed necessary.
Next meeting: December 9 @ 3pm
Ten Pin Conference Room // 793 K Street in Arcata
Policies and Procedures Meeting Agenda - November 2015 (PDF)
Policies and Procedures Meeting Minutes - Oct. 2015 (PDF)
The following Statement of Cooperative Identity was adopted by the International Cooperative Alliance in 1995:
Statement on the Co-operative Identity:
The co-operative principles are guidelines by which co-operatives put their values into practice.
Voluntary and Open Membership
Co-operatives are voluntary organizations, open to all persons able to use their services and willing to accept the responsibilities of membership, without gender, social racial, political, or religious discrimination.
Democratic Member Control
Co-operatives are democratic organizations controlled by their members, who actively participate in setting their policies and making decisions. Men and women serving as elected representatives are accountable to the membership. In primary co-operatives members have equal voting rights (one member, one vote), and co-operatives at other levels are also organized in a democratic manner.
Member Economic Participation
Members contribute equitably to, and democratically control, the capital of their co-operative. At least part of that capital is usually the common property of the co-operative. Members usually receive limited compensation, if any, on capital subscribed as a condition of membership. Members allocate surpluses for any of the following purposes: developing their co-operative, possibly by setting up reserves, part of which at least would be indivisible; benefiting members in proportion to their transactions with the co-operative; and supporting other activities approved by the membership.
Autonomy and Independence
Co-operatives are autonomous, self-help organizations, controlled by their members. If they enter into agreements with other organizations, including governments, or raise capital from external sources, they do so on terms that ensure democratic control by their members and maintain their co-operative autonomy.
Education, Training and Information
Co-operatives provide education and training for their members, elected representatives, managers, and employees so they can contribute effectively to the development of the co-operative. They inform the general public - particularly young people and opinion leaders - about the nature and benefits of co-operation.
Co-operation Among Co-operatives
Co-operatives serve their members most effectively and strengthen the co-operative movement by working together through local, regional, national, and international structures.
Concern for Community
Co-operatives work for the sustainable development of their communities, through policies approved by their members.
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Scribus 1.2x provides the ability to create tables. Unfortunately, scribus tables are nothing more than combined text frames, and it is a bit hard to work with them. If you need to have more complex tables, here is a workaround:
1) Create your table, in either OpenOffice.org Writer or in Calc.
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This approach works perfectly with OpenOffice.org 1.1.x, but there are still problems with the beta versions of OO.o 2.0.
You may ask for the reason to use such a complicated procedure, since OO.o can export SVG and EPS, and scribus can import both formats, and even OO.o Draw files. Try this yourself and you will understand the reason why. OO.o's SVG and EPS export is far from perfect, and so is scribus' import of SVG and *.sxd. It is hard to predict in which cases import in scribus will work. So, save yourself some time, anger and swearing, and follwow the steps above. They always work, at least as much as I can tell.


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The E Street Band - and a few rock 'n roll legends - met Wall Street Thursday, Oct 17 at the Little Kids Rock 5th annual Right to Rock Benefit at Cipriani Wall Street in lower Manhattan.
Steven Van Zandt, Jake Clemons, Ed Manion and more members of the E Street Band joined Brian Wilson, Elvis Costello, Bill Medley, Paul Shaffer and Darlene Love for a night of classic music and fundraising benefiting Little Kids Rock, which strives to enhance music education in public schools.
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Growing cities in arid regions
Urban Design in Arid Zones
Jan. 20-23, 2005
AME Auditorium, Speedway at Mountain Avenue
$175; $125, AIA members; tours are $25
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Ignacio San Martin,
professor and coordinator,
UA Urban Design Program
[email protected]
Jeanne Bourke
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Steve Harvath
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U.S. cities located in arid regions must deal with pressures created by rapid growth, the patterns that shape growth, and the scarcity of resources in the natural environment. Understanding this basic principle is the biggest single sustainable issue confronting urban design in arid regions.
The School of Architecture at the University of Arizona is organizing the second international symposium on "Cities in Arid Regions" in collaboration with the Facultad de Arquitectura at the Pontificia Universidad Cat�lica (PUC) of Santiago, Chile; the University of Newcastle, Australia; and the Escuela T�cnica Superior de Arquitectura (ETSAM), Madrid, Spain. The meeting is scheduled for Jan. 20-23, 2005, in Tucson.
The program is organized along six areas of research, including:
- Who designs the city: The political framework of urban design
- Ecosystem dynamics and ecosystem management in arid regions
- Human ecology and urban design: Prospects for a new arid regions' urbanism
- Transportation and ecological mobility alternatives
- Building technology: Sustainable technologies and materials for city building
- Approaches for establishing institutional bridges for effective change
Notables at the conference include Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano; Bob Walkup, mayor of Tucson; Jeremy Harris, president of the International Mayors Institute; and Secretary Douglas Foy, director of the Commonwealth Development Office in Boston.
UA Provost George Davis will give the welcoming address. Keynote speakers include Ofelia Zepeda, professor of linguistics at the UA; Columbia University Architecture Professor Kenneth Frampton; McGill University Architecture Professor Alberto P�rez Gomez; and Fernando P�rez-Oyarzun, a professor of architecture at PUC in Santiago.
A number of University of Arizona faculty will serve as panelists, including Nader Chalfoun, Ralph Hammann, Alvaro Malo and Ignacio San Martin (School of Architecture); Robert Glennon Jr. (College of Law); Sharon Megdal (Water Resources Research Center); Jonathan Overpeck, (Institute for the Study of Planet Earth); and Bill Shaw (School of Natural Resources).
The symposium is sponsored by a Richard A. Harvill Foundation Grant for the Advancement of Higher Education. The Richard A. Harvill Memorial Endowment Committee and the Richard A. Harvill Conferences are designed to explore challenges facing universities and colleges. Richard Anderson Harvill, who guided the UA for 20 years, stressed the importance of the UA's threefold role of this university - education, research, and service.
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I thought Epic Mickey was a good game?
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It's cool
I'll have to buy those screen protectors
Looks awesome
Golf games are too boring for me. At ,least realistic ones. So no, I'd rather get something else.
It's amazing what you can do with a Nintendo game
It looks like it's comming to the 3DS unless the new PSP really innovates (which I highly doubt)
It sucks for them
It's gonna be awesome, but it doesn't appeal me too much
2011 will be awesome
I hope the rabbids aren't there
ESRB are lucky to be able to play those games before they're released
Well I don't own dsi, so no
I'll get it, unfortunately for my pocket i love pokemon. I hate that it's so repetitive though
Looks awesome
IMO it deserves a perfect score
Definitely revelation of 3ds
Too bad, i was gonna buy it...
Oh well...
Well the game looks cool but maybe too retro...
The wii games look good
It's ok with me... not too much of a zelda fan


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I have blogged in the past about how we explained to J that he has Asperger Syndrome. The diagnosis is still very new – only 6 months, and we only told J three months ago, when his anxiety had reduced to a level where he could cope with hearing it and be able to understand it.
We have always portrayed it as a positive thing. When he mentions what he had for dinner one Wednesday when he was four years old, I remind him that he has got such a great memory because he has Asperger Syndrome. When we're writing a list or a schedule he'll tell me 'I like to be organised and know what the plan is because of my Aspergers', and of course I agree with him.
For now, I'm trying to avoid him knowing that Autism is a disability. It's important to say that I know that it is very much a disability, but for now I am mindful of advice that his psychiatrist gave – he said that while a diagnosis means that he can get the right kind of support (which he now is, we have a great team of people helping us) he shouldn't think of it as something that limits him and think, "Well I won't be able to do that because I have Aspergers."
That's not to say that I'm portraying it as a brilliant thing.
We also talk about how he finds some things difficult that other people may not. The other day we had a conversation about how he doesn't like meeting new people and I explained to him that was also because of the Aspergers, because new things were difficult if he didn't know exactly what was going to happen, or what people were going to say or do. Having the diagnosis means we can talk about things like that, and that he has a logical explanation for why he struggles with certain things, it's not just that he's not any good at something.
I know that life is always going to be difficult and challenging for him. He has also been diagnosed with a phobic anxiety disorder but I haven't told him about this yet. He knows that having 'worries', as he call them, is also related to having Aspergers, and I think there's no need to overload him for now. As I've said it's still early days in terms of his diagnosis, but hopefully by being positive about his strengths that his Aspergers brings, it has made it easier for him to deal with and to understand.


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Hi guys, I've had a bit of a problem for sometime now but have only just got round to sorting it out. For those of you who have a MK3 Mondeo 2.5 V6 i have a problem with the lack of power from my car. After doing hours of research from web pages, Forums and even Ford UK themselves i had to find out what the fault code P1519 actually was. (P1519: Intake Manifold Change Over Stick Shut)I'm not an expert on Mechanics but from what i can gather this is a common fault more so with the MK2's where the Swirl / Butterfly plates were sucked into the engines, That was before Mazda redeveloped the MK3, This however isn't the case with me. I have a realy loud air Wooooshing sound from the engine which in 3rd gear when i put my foot down on the accellerator sounds even louder. Where the car should boost in energy this does not happen. Also when overtaking a vehicle on the motorway it's either going to be a hit or a miss. 50/50 (Embarresing i know)
These are the possibilities i've found so far and have been told to save you searching the entire web for hours.
Check All Air Intake hoses for air leakage
Check Inlet Control Module is working (Ford reccommend 80% of the chance it's not and needs replacing)
Check Swirl / Butterfly Plates are working, if not well!
When i took my car to Ford in Rugby, Warwickshire it seemed like a job they didn't want to do due to it's difficulty level.
Can i do this myself if i feel confident enough or is it to be left to someone more experienced. Without it being to expensive?
What do i do? Please
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Officials: Latest Trafford water notification likely a result of bad monitoring data
Though the Wilkinsburg-Penn Joint Water Authority issued public notification last week that it "violated a treatment technique," the water supply for customers in Trafford and 21 other communities wasn't contaminated, officials for the authority and Allegheny County Health Department said.
Mark Lerch, the authority's director of supply, attributed the May 27 notification on the authority's website to state regulations that require the authority to disclose a situation that involved potentially bad data from water monitoring in the third and fourth quarters of 2013 instead of a legitimate threat to water quality.
The data would appear to show that the authority put contaminants into the source water instead of removing them, leading authority officials to believe that some figures were "flip-flopped" between the testing and the lab analysis, Lerch said. Officials haven't been able to determine where the mistake in data happened, he said.
The notification states that there was no "immediate risk" to the water supply, so customers didn't have to boil water before drinking it.
"There's nothing wrong with the water," Lerch said. "Nobody has to do anything."
An official for the Allegheny County Health Department's public drinking-water division, which inspects and has oversight over the authority's system, confirmed that there were no health risks.
"I'm a customer of Wilkinsburg-Penn Joint, and I didn't run out and buy bottled water," said John Jeffries, the division supervisor. "I drank faucet water."
The notification was the authority's third public acknowledgement of a violation this year.
In mid-January, the authority announced that it failed to notify the state Department of Environmental Protection, Allegheny County Health Department or its 40,000 customers about the necessity for a boil-water notice during a 19-day period in November when the water supply did not meet disinfection standards. John Poister, DEP spokesman, said last week that a fine is pending in that instance.
In a report that the authority issued this month, officials also said they were two days late in January for taking quarterly samples for contaminants.
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The MotorShield V2 for Arduino Kit is an upgraded version of one of our most popular kits from Adafruit. The Original MotorShield kit has been tweaked to perfection to make the v2 best, easiest way to drive DC and Stepper motors. Your next robotics project? This shield will make you a master! It still has the ability to drive up to 4 DC motors or 2 stepper motors, but with a host of improvements.
Instead of a L293D darlington driver, it now has the TB6612 MOSFET driver: with 1.2A per channel and 3A peak current capability. It also has a much lower voltage drops across the motor so you get more torque out of your batteries, and there are built-in flyback diodes as well.
Replacing a latch and the Arduino's PWM pins, the v2 has fully-dedicated PWM driver chip onboard. This chip handles all the motor and speed controls over I2C. Only two pins (SDA & SCL) are required to drive the multiple motors, and since it's I2C you can also connect any other I2C devices or shields to the same pins. This also makes it drop-in compatible with any Arduino, such as the Uno, Leonardo and Mega R3. (Duo's Wire support is still in beta).
Completely stackable design: 5 address-select pins means up to 32 stackable shields: that's 64 steppers or 128 DC motors! What on earth could you do with that many steppers? We have no idea but if you dream up something, please do share. It will likely knock our socks off.
Lots of other little improvements include a polarity protection FET on the power pins and a bit of prototyping area. The shield is assembled and tested at Adafruit so all you have to do is solder on straight or stacking headers and the terminal blocks.
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Download Puzzle Bobble 4 Game
by Hiroshi on March 19th, 2010
Download Puzzle Bobble 4 game free.
How to Play
Run techmynd.exe
Click Available at the left side for available games
Press F5 to refresh
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Type ok if asked
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1 to start
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Find the exe file for Batman: Arkham Asylum right click the exe file, click properties then click on details. It will tell you which version you have.
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If problem still happens this place will help:Link
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