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Policy addition
|This policy was decreed as policy by an admin and implemented.
- Discrimination
- WoWWiki is a wiki for everyone. We do not tolerate discrimination based upon social status, age, sex, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
Added by Kirburn. Incidents of discrimination should be reported on WoWWiki:Violations. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:37 PM PST 7 Dec 2007
Rolandius' Cleanup
The policy&diff=prev&oldid=1766508 extensive cleanup changes done by Rolandius have been reviewed by me and do not change anything substantive. I have warned him not to make changes like this again without staging and approval by an admin. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:22 PM PST 6 Feb 2009
Proposal to DNP non-English content
|This policy has been adopted.
Proposal Text
WoWWiki is an English wiki. Its infrastructure does not support content in other languages. Doing so would entail something like what wikipedia has - different sub-domains and monitoring routines to track changes between different language versions of pages and alert translators.
So, for now, non-English content is against policy and can be tagged {{speedydelete}} when found.
- Note that there are WoW wikis in other languages, e.g. http://www.wikiwow.com/ (French) and http://www.wow-wiki.net/ (German).
- One possible exception is quoted material pasted as part of a page where the author simply would not/could not translate it. If this content is on-topic and otherwise not available in the wiki, it is a candidate for translation - or removal as part of the regular editing process.
- Guild pages. As per guild page policy, they are required three (3) sentences in English. We stand by that. But other than that, we allow guild pages to continue in whatever language; it makes sense to allow it since some guilds cater only to speakers of a specific language. Pages violating this are tagged {{Stub/Guild}} and given the standard time to correct the problem.
Non-English text / pages are already being deleted, but through time-consuming votes. And some contributors are simply not sure of how to deal with it. Codifying this practice in a policy with a swift resolution seems sensible to me. --Mikk (T) 07:41, 4 September 2006 (EDT)
Policy ratification vote
- Yes
- Yes --Mikk (T) 07:41, 4 September 2006 (EDT) - (see reasoning above)
- Yes -- Kirkburn (talk) 07:52, 4 September 2006 (EDT) - (seems reasonable to me, but comment below)
- Yes Aeleas 20:59, 6 September 2006 (EDT) - ()
- Yes Ralthor 00:55, 7 September 2006 (EDT) - (comments below)
- Yes -watchout 09:06, 19 September 2006 (EDT) - (I should check the votes more often...)
- Yes Dracomage 09:38, 21 September 2006 (EDT) - (Agree, even as English is not my 1st Language.)
- No
Implementation checklist
- [√] Add proposal text above to DNP policy
- [√] Add one line to WW:WRITE saying that the WoWWiki language is English
- [√] Clarify WW:GUILD saying that the three required sentences must be English, but that the article may continue in other languages if appropriate.
- I agree, but would this mean automatic deletion of non-english guild pages if they comply with the guild policy (main text can be in german, but there must be some english introduction)? -- Kirkburn (talk) 07:52, 4 September 2006 (EDT)
- Hrm. Good question. Personally, I'd require 3 sentences (as per guild policy) in English. I suppose the rest can be in whatever language. If it's a guild that caters only to people speaking one (non-English) langage, it doesn't make much sense to require it all to be in English. --Mikk (T) 07:55, 4 September 2006 (EDT)
- I have been hoping this would finally be brought up for a while now, as I always feel bad about marking a page with (possibly) a lot of information on it in another language for deletion and not having a policyt to fall back on. I hate to be an American elitist english only person, but in the end there are several major reasons why we can't support it. Obviously we don't have the structure in place for it, we also don't have much of a way of monitoring the content on non-english pages unless we grab some multi-lingual admins, finally there would never be enough content in other languages to justify the work it would entain to setup and maintain several different languages.--Ralthor 00:54, 7 September 2006 (EDT)
New topics
Data Mined Content
I do not readily see any policies against posting data mined content in either WW:EDIT, WW:DNP, or WW:WRITE. However it does appear in the BC Stub: {{Stub/BC}} Did I overlook something, or is this really not explicitly stated in policy? --Tyrsenus t c 15:12, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
- You're right! It's mentioned on WoWWiki:Image guidelines, but not here. I'll add something about that now. Kirkburn talk contr 15:17, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
I've seen a lot of pages containing quotes from data mined files, in particular, Illidan Stormrage (tactics). It says, in so many words, "Illidan dies," which many players were not expecting, and should at the very least use spoiler tags if someone's going to post this. Illidan has not been slain on either live or test realm; the only source of this quote is a datamined sound file. Furthermore, I feel that unless something has been seen or heard on an official live or test realm, without using methods that violate the ToU or EULA, it shouldn't exist on the wiki. --Tyrsenus t c 19:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with this edit made by Tekkub. This would allow for anything found in the game/PTR files on Wowwiki, regardless of whether it is actually found in-game. I think he meant: "Datamined images of live or PTR content are permissible as long as it has been seen in-game first, but "true" in-game screenshots preferred and will always be given preference over datamined content." --Tyrsenus t c 04:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Not to single out any sites... but it should probably be noted that most datamined info comes from mmo-champion, and images from there, that refer to future content, should not be uploaded here at all. User:Coobra/Sig3 21:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- I'll agree that most DNP content comes from mmo-champion, but I think it's too much to put a blanket ban on everything posted there. I'm currently trying to get Kirkburn to update the phrasing of the policy, which was discussed a while back and should take care of this (see discussion below).--Tyrsenus t c 03:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Real-world application of WW:DNP to a page.. comments please
See Server talk:Scarlet Crusade US/Rahurm please. Mikk (T) 06:00, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
WOW Model Viewer Graphics covered by data mining policy?
I'm interested in creating some visuals of some of the item sets using WOW Model Viewer. http://www.wowmodelviewer.org/ Is this precluded by the Data Mining policy. They are not live screen shots, but they would also not be unreleased conted. Skalchemist 19:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Never mind. Found my answer at http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Image_guidelines. Skalchemist 20:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Change to the image DNP policy
Moved from the Village pump
The DNP policy underwent some minor albeit important changes (written and un-written) concerning datamined information and images posted on the wiki. Currently the wording of the policy is such:
- Datamined pictures and files of unreleased content are not allowed. Note that any in-game screenshots obtained from the live or test servers and clients are okay.
- Datamined images of live or PTR content are permissible, but "true" in-game screenshots preferred and will always be given preference over datamined content.
Nonetheless, items such as [Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury] are currently on the wiki despite the fact that they have not been seen on a live or test realm, nor has such specific information on them been released by Blizzard (CM's have only confirmed the bow's existence and its name, but nothing more). The information, stats, and graphics were datamined, and not permissable on the wiki according to DNP. However, admins have informed me that Thori'dal's article is acceptable and will remain on the wiki.
If there has been a policy change in practice, we ought to change the policy article accordingly to avoid disputes; if not, we should remove the datamined content. --Tyrsenus t c 21:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- I'd imagine the bow is at least linkable on the PTR (or people wouldn't be able to determine its stats), which means item stats and model (dressing room on PTR -- which makes model viewer pictures acceptable (preferable?) as well) are public; icons of new items can be extracted with the addon kit using the PTR client, so those are also public. -- Foxlit 22:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- As best I can tell, the bow was first brought to light by MMO-Champion on Feb 8th. They have a disclaimer that the information is from a "Pre-PTR leak and could be different on live servers." It's clear this is unreleased content. In order to force a link on the PTRs, you need the item ID to create the link command in addition to having the bow actually been "seen" for the link to work and not output regular text. I don't think icons are protected by the server the same way item links are. --Tyrsenus t c 23:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Another example is the images of Kil'jaeden already showing up. None of the PTRs have come close to even unlocking him, and no guilds have passed the eredar twins yet (if they are even unlocked as well). --Tyrsenus t c 01:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- "Datamined images of live or PTR content are permissible" Read that over and over until you understand the policy allows them. They have not been seen, but are datamined from the files of public test versions which have been released. I'm looking at them right now. --User:Zeal/Sig2 01:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Same goes for the Tuskarr, it's in the PTR files. Never seen anything about the others on here or elsewhere. Oh, and just for the record, Kil'jaeden and the bow, they are available on the PTR, just haven't been reached or obtained yet. --User:Zeal/Sig2 15:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Both in the files. Just to give you another perspective, they're simply unobtainable content, such as the the old Ashbringer GM's liked to show off. It's only not allowed when it's on private builds such as interal aplhas and friends and family ones, which is when the big Blizzard came and told us to take such content off here. ;) --User:Zeal/Sig2 16:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Zeal- while the second line of the policy allows datamined images, the first line forbids datamined images of unreleased content. It looks like there is some disagreement over whether "released" means "seen in-game" or just "in the game files." I personally interpreted it as the former. P.S. Link to orca discussion. --Tyrsenus t c 17:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- The Public Test Realm means it is released to me, just not to those people who don't go to the PTR, but they can, if they want. Does that make sense? I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. The orca was never publicly released anywhere, so it isn't allowed. The orca also is not just speculation, because it was obviously datamined. The worldofraids.com tooltip screenshot for Thori'dal is in the gray area for me, since it hasn't been obtained by anyone all though it is presumably available on the test realm. The big problem is that the sources for Thori'dal could be alot better than they are. If they were, it wouldn't be as controversial. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:36 PM PST 17 Feb 2008
- Yes.. that's considered released, but unobtained/unobtainable content. --User:Zeal/Sig2 15:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ummm, no. If you will never see the content in-game, it shouldn't be in WoWWiki. For example, the orca model is in the game files, but can not be seen in-game and there is no evidence it will be added in the foreseeable future before the release of Wrath of the Lich King. So, it is considered only datamined and not publicly released. If a blue post appears saying something like, "Hey guys the orca is coming in patch x.y, so don't drown looking for it now," then it would be okay. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:55 PM PST 18 Feb 2008
- Sigh... then rewrite the policy to make that destinction Fandy, as currently it doesn't. Other than the issue with the Orca (which i wasn't around for) this wasn't the case for previously released but unobtainable content. Given the meaning you're applying to that terminology, you can't make the distinction without Blizzard. Unobtained content will have to be considered unobtainable, until it's obtained. Pretty easy to make a claim for keeping alot of PTR and live content off of WoWWiki for several weeks-months. Enjoy the minefield --User:Zeal/Sig2 02:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- Not too long ago Kirkburn was taking down Illidan's model images and sound files, even though he was on the PTR. However, Kirkburn also told me (via irc) that the Thori'dal article was okay. The problem with posting content that's in the files and confirmed by Blizzard is that they change their mind (e.g. Emerald Dream). Kaydeethree (an admin) has been removing model images from the ED page. There's obviously different ways the policy is being interpreted, even among admins. It needs to be spelled out what is okay and what is not okay:
- Information/items/images of content seen through normal game play on an official Blizzard realm or Public Test Realm are allowed on Wowwiki. (given)
- Information/items/images of content not seen through normal game play on an official Blizzard realm or Public Test Realm, but may be found in the files of the client thereof (are/are not) allowed on Wowwiki.
- Information/items/images of content not seen through normal game play on an official Blizzard realm or Public Test Realm, but may be found in the files of the client thereof and has been confirmed by a Blizzard employee to exist in-game currently or in the future (through a citable source) (are/are not) allowed on Wowwiki.
- Information/items/images of content not seen through normal game play on an official Blizzard realm or Public Test Realm, not found in the files of the client thereof and has been confirmed by a Blizzard employee to exist currently in-game or in the future (through a citable source) (are/are not) allowed on Wowwiki.
- Information/items/images of content not seen through normal game play on an official Blizzard realm or Public Test Realm, not found in the files of the client thereof, and not confirmed by Blizzard (are/are not) allowed on Wowwiki.--Tyrsenus t c 04:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- And what of the Ashbringer? It has been stated multiple times that datamining a screenshot of the blade itself is NOT OK, despite the fact that A) it is in the game files, B) the main image consists of woefully outdated stats for a version of the weapon that, at the time, existed solely as a GM weapon, and C) there is a screenshot of Tirion holding it later in the article. And, if it's OK to post images datamined from the PTR and other in-game files, even if said things are not accessible in-game, then what, precisely, is the point of the policy? Unless I'm missing something, there really isn't a way to datamine something from files that we don't even have in the first place. -- Dark T Zeratul 04:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
This is a hot topic - it is obvious that everyone (both Blizzard and fansites) are becoming more relaxed about this. As it stands the easiest way to write this (in my opinion) would be: images of announced content existing on the live or public test clients are okay. Certain pieces of unannounced content may be exempt from this for reasons of extreme notoriety and importance. Notoriety would include the tuskarr and Kil'jaeden (both announced), but not give free reign to any and all doodads. Regarding the Emerald Dream, that is unannounced content and would thus not be allowed. Kirkburn talk contr 17:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- Makes sense, but I had to read it a few times. May want to clarify what constitutes an "announcement." --Tyrsenus t c 18:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
- I would define it as Blizzard specifically saying that "this thing is coming in a patch". It would have to be fairly specific about the content, so a general "Emerald Dream is being looked at" wouldn't count, but "Kil'jaeden is being summoned in Sunwell Plateau in patch 2.4" would. Any official Blizzard spokesperson would make this announcement (forum/interview/website/etc). Kirkburn talk contr 19:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
To update on this, is the following okay?
- Images of announced content existing on the live or public test clients are okay. Certain pieces of unannounced content may be exempt from this for reasons of extreme notoriety and importance, which will be up to an admin's judgement. Note that Blizzard has final say on what content can be shown.
Kirkburn talk contr 22:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Revisiting image changes
|Your comments are desired.
This came up on Forum:Secret maps of World of Warcraft. The text was changed by Kirkburn[1], with minor edits by Pcjpolicy&diff=next&oldid=1822915, to say:
"Only articles about announced content existing on the live or public test clients are permitted. Certain pieces of unannounced content may be exempt from this for reasons of extreme notoriety and importance, which will be up to an administrator's judgment. Note that Blizzard Entertainment has final say on what content can be shown."
What is and is not "announced" is clarified, but what are the "Certain pieces of unannounced content" that are exempt? The "extreme notoriety and importance" part is not defined. The example given is that the tuskarr and Kil'jaeden are allowed, but any and all doodads from the PTR and the Emerald Dream are not allowed. PTRs aside, what is the general idea or the criteria behind these? Also, the "an administrator's judgment" part is a wheel war waiting to happen (and they have happened about this). If an administrator turns a blind eye to a DNP image or article, another admin will likely come along and delete it. What is saved by however many just takes one to delete.
I added "However, if you exploit to get it, it does not get posted."policy&diff=next&oldid=1995936 to the text based on a comment by Kaydeethree on IRC. I still feel it is lacking. It is still far too vague.--SWM2448 23:59, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- If we can't give a good example of an exemption, let's just take the exemption out of the policy. "With no exemptions." If we come into a situation we feel is appropriate, we could change the policy at that time to allow for it. Howbizr(t·c) 6:22 PM, 21 Sep 2009 (EDT)
- I think the current wording is needlessly strict. For example the current wording prohibits articles about the Cataclysm expansion and its' announced features because they aren't on the PTR. It also prohibits articles about content which is on the live servers, but was never announced, such as A Cautious Return and An Injured Colleague. Perhaps the section could be renamed to unannounced, unreleased content, while permitting the coverage of any released content, as well as the coverage of infermation on unreleased content which has been released by Blizzard, either directly (blue posts, pages on the official websites, trailers, publicly available demos, Blizzcon panels etc.) or through the media (interviews, preview articles etc.), with a separate section covering the rules for datamining. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:08, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
- I'm assuming that the intent behind the change was to expand it to cover datamined content and information other than images, such as transcripts of audio. I learned about this page while reading the discussion at Talk:Patch 3.3.0, and posted here because I was worried that a literal reading of this policy's current wording could be used to get rid of Cataclysm-related pages. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:38, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
Okay, for fair point about announced content that is neither on a live or test realm. Perhaps it should be "announced content, and content which is readily accessible on public, test or demo realms". As for the exemption, it is worded in that fashion for a reason - so that common sense is able to assert itself. Kirkburn talk contr 12:31, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
- I think it might also be a good idea to clearly define "announced content" - live in the game, PTR, open beta, worldofwarcraft.com, BlizzCon, and interviews with Blizzard staff? Anything else need to be on that list? Where do we draw the line on datamined and hacking? For example, you can write a script to create a link to items that don't "really exist." See [Martin Fury]. Howbizr(t·c) 3:44 PM, 24 Sep 2009 (EDT)
- The "announced content" is defined above as "...Blizzard specifically saying that "this thing is coming in a patch". It would have to be fairly specific about the content, so a general "[thing] is being looked at" wouldn't count, but "[thing] in patch [#.#]" would. Any official Blizzard spokesperson would make this announcement (forum/interview/website/etc)." I would like to keep it as general as possible, without having any loopholes. The issue of "what is datamining?" seems to have come up, and I have no idea where to draw that line (Ask Blizzard?). As for the 'common sense' aspect of the exemption, the sense does not seem to be common. I wanted to use the exemption to allow screenshots of things that both are notable and have been confirmed to be never going to be implemented (i.e. pre-Cataclysm inaccessible non-Caverns of Time Hyjal Summit and Azshara Crater, but not 'maybe' content like the Emerald Dream), but some stoic individuals disagreed for obvious reasons (they require exploits/map viewing software). It broke the rules, but I took that exemption as saying that I could break the rules.--SWM2448 00:44, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
- What about when an upcoming feature has been announced as something which is definitely on the way, but doesn't have an announced ETA or patch number, such as the new ammo system between when it was announced that it wouldn't be ready for 3.1.0 and when it was announced for Cataclysm, or the race and faction change services between when they were announced and when they were implemented? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 07:27, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
- My gut feeling on your example Sandwich is that because someone had to use some "extreme exploring" (wall jumping, etc) or external software just to get see it, my thought would be Blizz would not approve. But I don't have a direct connection with Blizz's legal dept. to ask so I can't say for certain. You may be able to find your answer from reading the Terms of Use Agreement. Howbizr(t·c) 12:20 PM, 29 Sep 2009 (EDT)
Here are some selected quotes from Terms of Use Agreement I felt were relevant. The Terms of Use Agreement states that:
- [You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:] use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces;
So this seems to forbid all model viewers and map viewers. No more transparent images? The wording also forbids database sites like Wowhead.
- [You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:] use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience;
None of the things I mentioned above change how the game is played, so they may have that going for them.
- Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players;
This comes from a section on PvP. However, you can not pwn with a screenshot.
Going by these, we would need to be a lot stricter than we are now. It seems the "no questionable content ever" route is the way to go. The Cataclysm-lost info will have to be recorded by less reputable or 'scummy' fansites. Our only way out may be the 'Blizzard's sole and absolute discretion' thing, but doubt it, as that is worded for custom user interfaces. The wording of the policy needs to be changed regardless.--SWM2448 21:57, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
- Sandwich, I'm no lawyer, but if wowhead was breaking the contract, they would have sent them a cease-and-desist letter by now. Not to mention all the other websites, so I wouldn't worry about the contract wording. Or maybe Blizzard just likes to have it in there so they could take those sites down if they wanted to. But as long as they play nice and don't post alpha content, they'll probably always be allowed to exist. Howbizr(t·c) 2:51 PM, 1 Oct 2009 (EDT)
Here be an arbitrary break
Here's my stance, which is what I've always believed is the policy's intent, if not necessarily in these exact words. The lines in italics are my further explanation/thoughts on the previous point.
Feel free to edit the top-level bullet points within reason.
- Not OK
- If you had to exploit, datamine or otherwise take advantage of the unmodified default client
- As always. No map/modelviewer screenshots of unavailable content. Map/modelviewer screenshots of _available_ (read: anyone can log on and look at it with blizzard's client without exploiting/datamining) content are ok, but in-game screenshots are preferred
- I'm trying to skirt around the issue of "what is datamining" by pointing to the unmodified game client
- If you broke NDA to get this, or you're editing on behalf of someone who broke NDA
- We're not wowinsider, kthx.
- The final declaration of what is or is not content under NDA will be up to the admins, (unless we get another DMCA takedown notice!) with the understanding that if it came out of nowhere when the alpha's happening, it's probably going to get deleted with prejudice
- If Blizz has said it's not coming any time soon or will not be implemented and never made it to a publicly playable state
- Azshara Crater, Emerald Dream, pre-2.0 CoT, pre-4.0 Hyjal Summit, etc. We can still talk about what little is publicly known, but no unannounced content like random ED doodads or maps of AC. Blizz's image of the ED is, of course, ok since they posted it on the encyclopedia publicly.
- Pre-2.0 CoT and pre-4.0 Hyjal are in _this_ list and not OK#3 because they were never publicly accessible--only access via exploiting/datamining
- Anything completely off-topic, defamatory, libelous, trolling, etc...
- There's 6,000 other wikia for that.
- OK (with the caveat that whatever content about to get posted doesn't break any of the Not OK rules above)
- Content from the live realms, the PTR, the beta, or any event realms (BlizzCon, WWI, etc), and looks reasonably decent
- no horrendously blurry photographs of a computer monitor taken at an oblique angle, please
- Stuff from the RTSes, novels, RPG source books, playing cards, and other officially licensed paraphernalia
- Just to be safe so wikilawyering doesn't mean we have to toss all of the RPG stuff, as much as I'd like to see some of the more esoteric crap gone
- Content that Blizz has announced publicly but is not currently a playable/tangible form.
- blizz's website/press releases, things that have changed in later stages of development, blue posts on forums, magazine articles, other gaming sites, etc. Key words: _blue_posts_ -- MVP/regular poster stuff doesn't count.
- Content that was publicly available but is no longer in-game is fine--think changes from beta to live, or active removal of stuff like old naxx or old onyxia. Just not stuff that required exploits to get to.
- As soon as the content's in a tangible form it's covered by one of the earlier two OK lines
- Fanart/fanfic clearly marked that it is fan-created and not something official
- I've been impressed with the guesses of how the zone maps are going to look like, for example. So long as they're not passed off as official, they're fine by me.
Does this cover everybody's concerns? --k_d3 00:29, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe we could rephrase the part about content publicly announced by Blizzard to include both direct announcements (such as press releases) and announcements through the media (such as interviews and articles based on playable demos), and replace "not yet in a playable/tangible form" with "not currently in a playable/tangible form". I don't want a wikilawyer to abuse this policy, arguing that it only covers information directly released by Blizzard about content which is still upcoming, to remove properly sourced information about Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans, or cut the information in the Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos article about how the Burning Legion were originally intended to be a playable race / faction, but got cut during developement. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:30, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
- Phrasing is an issue. The Terms of Use Agreement seems to be very strict about datamining. This confuses me, as sites like Wowhead have not been taken down, and if that stuff goes around unpunished there is a theoretical line between 'What is stated that we have to do to make Blizzard like us' and 'What we actually have to do to make Blizzard like us'. I am perfectly willing to let things like Azshara Crater and Hyjal go, as that was expected (but I am still a bit sad about it).--SWM2448 01:41, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
- @gordon: Wasn't intending for what I've got here to be the exact verbiage used on the policy page, just more of a general pointer. Feel free to edit the first level of text.
- @swm: The datamining policy is far less strict than it has been in years past, especially that Blizz has formally okayed machinima. Also consider that wowhead, curse, and the wiki are all official fansites and blizz has known for years (and is okay with the fact) that we all datamine information. We just don't post everything we see. Take it from me that the line we've collectively drawn is not about to get our fansite status yanked. ;) --k_d3 02:26, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
- The current proposed phrasing would prohibit the coverege of products and features which were announced by Blizzard, but were cancelled or indefinitely delayed, such as Lord of the Clans, demons as a playable race in Reign of Chaos or the dance studio in World of Warcraft, as well as the coverage of joke features such as Pandaren Xpress and the Bard class. IMO either the "If Blizz has said it's not coming any time soon or will not be implemented and never made it to a publicly playable state" section should be removed (the part about using hacks and exploits and the part about breaking NDAs seem to cover everything), or there should be an explicit exception permitting the use of non-datamined information released by Blizzard. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:13, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think we should preclude all information about the dance studio, because some was literally blueposts (official), but yes, I think the truely datamined stuff on MMO Champion that came out in the last week should not be on the wiki, even if Boubille got an official press pass at BlizzCon. Howbizr(t·c) 2:56 PM, 1 Oct 2009 (EDT)
So, are any changes going to be made to the wording of the Policy, or is this conversation just going to be used to clarify it as is?--SWM2448 20:12, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Talk:Track Mechanicals has brought up another aspect of the issue of how far this should go.--SWM2448 00:26, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Items are one thing... but spells abilities... next thing you know we'll be putting slash commands only GMs can do... User:Coobra/Sig4 04:08, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Non-editorial discussions
Even though it is not in the official WoWWiki policies, it is brought up here that WoWWiki is not a forum and that non-editorial discussions are frowned upon. I'm not sure in what policy I should add it, but the DNP policy was the best connection I could find.
Now what I would like to add is that if you don't have anything that would contribute to the content of the article, then don't write it. If a lore character acts in a way that might seem strange, don't add to it since we're not to discuss what logic Blizzard has when making their games. Neither are discussions about adding new metals to the game that is already in the lore, as it would have close to zero impact on the game when discussed on talk pages. There are already the official forums for that.
Tell me what you think about making an addition to the DNP policy, where you shouldn't make non-editorial discussions on talk pages. User:Gourra/Sig2 14:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Not sure if I've got the right idea of what you're thinking about adding, but it sounds like speculation, which is handled in WW:LORE. --Pcj (T•C) 15:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- Examples: 1 2. I have some other examples too, but I think you get the idea. User:Gourra/Sig2 15:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a rule for how long you'll have wait before adding something from the novels/manga? Aedror42 (talk) 20:01, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- See WW:LORE#Spoilers. --Pcj (T•C) 20:07, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
Unreleased vs. unannounced
This sentence doesn't say what (I hope) it intends to:
- Only articles about announced content existing on the live or public test clients are permitted.
I suggest re-wording this as:
- Only articles about announced content are permitted. Where topics center around information released in-game or in game data files, only information pertaining to live or public test clients are permitted.
Notice that the first version would make discussion of any Cataclysm topic, even those currently announced by official Blizzard representatives, a disallowed item. That makes no real sense. On the other hand, if the goal is to eliminate discussion of—let's just go for a really small example here—the Star Wars reference in Uldum, then I believe the second sentence would suffice as Uldum has been officially announced, but the screenshot that shows the the reference in question is datamined from non-public clients. You could discuss the Egyptian theme of Uldum (again, announced), but not the structure of specific buildings seen in screen shots. -Deepone (talk) 20:50, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
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LONG KING (?–1838?). Long King, principal chief of the Coushatta Indians in Texas during the first three decades of the 1800s, was referred to as the mingo or chief above all other Coushatta chiefs in Texas. He lived in Long King's Village, the middle village of the three most significant villages the Coushattas established in Texas. Long King's Village was in what is now Polk County near the junction of Tempe Creek and Long King Creek, three miles north of the Trinity River. On September 27, 1830, José Francisco Maderoqv was appointed general land commissioner of Texas. On January 14, 1831, he arrived in Texas and announced that he would begin issuing land titles in the Trinity River area. In April 1831 he took a census of the Alabama and Coushatta Indians in Texas. In his report on the census he wrote that Long King was the principal chief of the Coushattas. In 1882 L. W. Currie, Presbyterian missionary to the Alabama-Coushatta Indians, wrote in a report to the Office of Indian Affairs that the Polk County Indians informed him that Long King had served as a Coushatta chief. Long King Trace, Long King Creek, and Long King's Village were all named for this prominent Coushatta chief; all three landmarks are mentioned frequently in the field notes of original Polk County land surveys. Though the date of Long King's death is not available in Alabama-Coushatta tribal records, he probably died around 1838, since after this year there is no mention of Long King as principal chief of the Coushattas. Colita emerged as Long King's successor.
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|Stent-assisted coiling in acutely ruptured intracranial aneurysms: a qualitative, systematic review of the literature.
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|BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE: The use of stents for treatment of morphologically unfavorable, acutely ruptured aneurysms is avoided by most operators because of concerns about the risk of using dual antiplatelet therapy in the setting of acute SAH. Our aim was to review the literature regarding stent-assisted coil embolization of acutely ruptured intracranial aneurysms to determine the safety and efficacy of this treatment option.
MATERIALS AND METHODS: Articles including ≥5 patients with ruptured aneurysms who were treated acutely with stent-assisted coiling or uncovered stent placement alone were identified. Data on clinical presentation, technical success, surgical crossover, intracranial complications, and clinical outcome were evaluated.
RESULTS: A total of 17 articles were identified reporting 339 patients who met inclusion criteria. Among 212 patients with available data, technical success was noted in 198 (93%) patients. Three hundred twenty-six (96%) of 339 patients received both heparin during the procedure and dual-antiplatelet therapy during or immediately postprocedure. One hundred thirty (63%) of 207 aneurysms were completely occluded. Six (2%) of 339 patients required surgical crossover, usually for failure in stent placement or for intraprocedural aneurysm rupture. Clinically significant intracranial hemorrhagic complications occurred in 27 (8%) of 339 patients, including 9 (10%) of 90 patients known to have EVDs who had ventricular drain-related hemorrhages. Clinically significant thromboembolic events occurred in 16 (6%) of 288 patients. Sixty-seven percent of patients had favorable clinical outcomes, 14% had poor outcomes, and 19% died.
CONCLUSIONS: Stent-assisted coiling in ruptured aneurysms can be performed with high degrees of technical success, but adverse events appear more common and clinical outcomes are likely worse than those achieved without stent assistance. Thromboembolic complications appear reasonably well-controlled. Reported EVD-related hemorrhagic complications were uncommon, though the total number of EVDs placed was unknown.
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President Obama's administration, on the other hand, has been most unkind to women - as we see the highest unemployment rates for women in 17 years with 5.7 million women now living in poverty.
And best of all, Romney truly respects woman. This is no more apparent than in the tasteless, degrading and offensive Obama political ad sexualizing the voting process by likening women losing their voting virginity to him.
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Since he was the topic of much of the Uptown interview posted yesterday, it's only right that Dante Ross should be able to give us his version of events. This is what he just left in the comment section for those of you who already read the piece:
Ok now there's a lot of inaccuracies here. First off me and CJ got none of Uptowns publishing me and CJ each got 12.5% which equaled 25% of the pub for writing the music. Tommy Boy got the rest minus samples. Also CJ and me split 500 bucks for the record making a whooping 250 a piece. As for programming the drums CJ and me both did a bit of the programming shit CJ taught me how to use the SP1200 and was nicer than I was on the SP (He was very skilled I might add) so I would say he definitely helped tighten it up. we started the beat either in CJ's house or my pad I can't remember but I think it was at CJ's in the Astoria Project then we went to 12 12 and fixed it up and laid it down with Uptown in the studio with us.
As for a 5 year contract i have no idea about any of that i only worked there a year and a half and Uptown came out towards the end of my run. As for the cover I had a lot to do with it, I had the idea and Uptown thought it was tight so we rolled with it. I am a huge Warriors fan.
I also will say I do not believe anyone sabatoged his record at all, it got some burn but was no big hit song but a cool mix show record that did got played on KDAY ( The LA station of note) a bit. I think it was more popular in LA than NYC to be honest but at that point KDAY and Tommy Boy had something happening all the Tommy Boy records including CJ's group Black By Demand got a lot of run on KDAY.
As far as the NMS being fixed I have to say I don't believe it. Tommy Boy did not have the juice to do that, cats like IceT and Clark Kent were judges and I do not think they were playing ball with any sort of Tommy Boy artists as favorites sehnanigans. The fix was not in i was there and I was onstage. I just don't buy it.
As for Uptown I have nothing but respect for him we made one really cool cult record that has aged very well together and I never saw him again in my entire life after the photo session real talk. Much respect to Uptown and to CJ Moore.
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Would it be fair to say that Uptown has a slightly inflated opinion of himself given that he's a 2nd rate MC Shan with 1 great song where 70% of the appeal is in how nuts the beat is?Comment by brian beck from wisconsin 02.27.13 @
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My first pair of balanced armature headphones, and I couldn't be happier. I'm shocked at the comfort and at the quality of the sound.
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The sound quality on the A151's is amazing! They have shown me hidden sounds in my music I have never heard before! Before I had these I owned Klipsch S4's and I thought they had to much bass and weren't clear enough, so I searched for new clearer IEM's for the same price. I had no luck until a friend of mine bought these and told me to listen to them. I was shocked at the incredibly accurate sound and absence of microphonics. These IEM's are built well, require no burn-in time, and will allow you to discover details you would have never noticed without an extremely expensive IEM. I will definitely keep an eye out for future releases.
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I've owned a few higher end dynamic drivers (Shure, Monster turbines, etc) but the a151 balanced armature creates the most accurate sound space I've ever heard.
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I am amazed at these IEMs. The separation is amazing and clear. The sound is balanced. The cord is tangle free, no microphonics, and light. Also, comfort is A+. Would highly recommend it and looking forward to more purchases from Meelectronics!
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This is my second pair of IEM's and let me say they do not disappoint. The noise isolation is pretty good and the sound quality is awesome.
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Contempt, in law, showing disrespect to, or disobeying, a court or legislature. In a trial, any action that impairs the authority or the dignity of the court (the presiding judge) is criminal contempt of court, and the offender may be punished. Such actions include violence, insulting language, and disruptive behavior. Failure to obey a court order given for the benefit of a party to the proceedings (failure, for example, to produce a document) is not a crime but a civil offense. The judge may order imprisonment or a daily fine until the person cited for contempt obeys the order.
Contempt of Congress refers to the refusal of a subpoenaed witness to appear before a congressional investigating committee or to give testimony before it. However, decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court have defined circumstances in which congressional questioning is not constitutional and therefore does not have to be answered. Although Congress is empowered to imprison a witness cited for contempt, such punishment usually results from a grand jury indictment and a trial in federal district court.


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China Goes to South America
10:31 AM, Jun 23, 2008 • By JENNIFER CHOU
For my day job, I live and breathe China. When it comes to my annual vacation, however, I need to get away. Last year, I thought Ireland would be a good escape--only to discover after getting there that Mandarin is the second most spoken language in Dublin. Buying a Chinese-made stuffed leprechaun from a Mandarin-speaking shopkeeper, even on O'Connell Street, wasn't exactly my idea of an Irish vacation.
This year I thought Machu Picchu would be a safe bet. As our tour bus pulled into Cuzco, the gateway to the ancient Inca ruins, our Peruvian guide pointed to a road-improvement project and informed us, "As you can see, the city of Cuzco is sprucing up to usher in the coming Free Trade Agreement with China." China? There's that word again. I knew I shouldn't have had that third cup of coca tea at breakfast. The magical brew was supposed to ease high-altitude discomforts, but I was obviously having hallucinations.
It turned out that I was not hearing things. China and Peru are indeed set to sign a free-trade agreement (FTA) this November, and it's a big deal in South America. In fact, China is currently conducting FTA negotiations with a number of countries, including Costa Rica, Iceland, Singapore, South Africa, and http://www.ccs.org.za/downloads/The_China-Australia_Free_Trade_Negotiati... target=_blank>Australia. This past April, Australia's neighbor New Zealand signed an FTA with Beijing, the first such accord between China and a developed country. These bilateral pacts help shield China from anti-dumping complaints, many of which have been filed by Washington through the multilateral mechanism provided by the World Trade Organization.
Peru is the second Latin American country to sign an FTA with China, after Chile. Meanwhile, Chinese investment in the region has witnessed a significant increase with the launch of the "go abroad" policy. In 2004, the year the policy was instituted, 32 percent of Beijing's direct foreign investment went to Latin America. But Beijing had its eyes set on Peru long before then. In 1992, state-owned Capital Steel purchased a Peruvian iron company for a whopping $312 million, making China the second biggest investor in the Andean country.
Beijing's inroads into Peru reflect a larger Latin initiative. While its investment in the region is taking place largely in sectors that help meet a seemingly unquenchable appetite for energy and commodities, China has also maintained a long-running satellite program with Brazil and a more recent one with Venezuela.
In my conversations with Peruvians about Chinese investments, I noticed how they would usually start a sentence with "China is helping us do…" or "we are getting help from China with…"
Washington should take heed.


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McNenny State Fish Hatchery
McNenny State Fish Hatchery provides trout and salmon for stocking in the Black Hills, Missouri River Reservoirs and Eastern South Dakota lakes and streams. Trout and salmon are not native to South Dakota so with high fishing pressure, low natural reproduction and limited food supplies - it creates the need for stocking these species.
In 1943, Judge James McNenny sold land to the state for public hunting and fishing. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service leased the land for fish hatchery construction in 1946. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service discontinued the hatchery lease in 1983. GFP took over operations and made improvements to the water supply and rearing facilities.
Approximately 3.5 million gallons of water flow through the hatchery each day. That's about 2,500 gallons each minute. After flowing through the fish rearing units, the water passes through two settling ponds. From there, it eventually flows into Crow Creek.
McNenny produces quality fish through the use of novel rearing techniques and innovative research. Fish raised at McNenny are stocked across the state, providing fishing opportunities to anglers of all ages. Hatchery staff conduct research to improve rearing efficiencies, angler satisfaction, and post-stocking survival. Research at McNenny not only improves how fish are raised on site, but also advances fish rearing and management worldwide.
Much more happens at McNenny than just rearing fish. McNenny has a history of scientific research. Controlled experimentation at McNenny is changing the world of aquaculture. Hatchery staff often collaborate with fisheries managers, universities and other agencies (statewide, nationwide and internationally).
Fish rearing units
- 8 raceways; each divided into three sections
- 3 earthen spring-fed production ponds
- 1 natural display pond (121 feet deep!)
- 28 indoor above ground circular tanks
- 6 indoor below ground circular tanks
- Vertical incubation trays
- Upwelling incubation jars
- 18 small experimental tanks
- Open Monday - Friday from 8 a.m.- 4 p.m. Open year round.
- From South Dakota I-90, take Exit 2 near the Wyoming border and follow the signs.
- Interpretive signs on the hatchery grounds allow for self-guided tours.
- Tours of the facility are available for large groups, but must be scheduled in advance.
- McNenny State Fish Hatchery
19619 Trout Loop
Spearfish, SD 57783
Phone: 605.642.6920
Volunteer opportunities abound at McNenny. Local community members, retirees, Boy Scouts and students have all used their talents to improve hatchery operations.
Volunteers are welcome to help with fish rearing, tagging and marking, spawning, stocking, landscaping and educational outreach. Contact the hatchery at the phone number listed above to learn more about volunteer opportunities.
Display Pond
An underwater view of the fish in McNenny State Fish Hatchery's display pond.


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A math question is posted on a chalkboard for students preparing for the ISTEP test.
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School officials in Noblesville are considering redistricting seven elementary schools to balance what they are calling an influx in enrollment.
A rebalancing committee appointed by the Noblesville School Board has created a plan for adjusting the districts after two elementary schools, Promise Road and Noble Crossing, reported large increases in enrollment this year.
The proposal, officials say, is designed to balance the number of children at each Noblesville elementary school. It would affect Promise Road and Noble Crossing, along with Hazel Dell, Hinkle Creek, North, White ...


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God-given right?
Every week the letters from the anti-gun control crowd become more bizarre. Now we have gun ownership as a God-given right. I forget, did Jesus carry a Glock or a Beretta?
Now the pro-gun theme has shifted to the need for assault weapons to protect us from an oppressive federal government. We tried that once when we fought the tyrant Abraham Lincoln, who tried to take away our God-given right to enslave human beings. Remember how that turned out? And that was fought when the government and the rebels had equal types of weapons.
How successful do these self-appointed minutemen think they will be with their AK-47s against a predator drone armed with Hellfire missiles?


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Jay Herring, King of the Krewe of Phoenix
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Celebrations from Montgomery to Mobile highlighted the peace, love and drive-in movie days of the '60's and '70's, as well as the majestic presentation of a River Region designer who reigned as king.
Though it is the custom of Montgomery mystic societies to conceal the identities of its kings, the Krewe of Phoenix in Mobile crowns and reveals its mystic sovereign a year in advance. What he will wear at the annual ball the following winter is the well-guarded secret as anticipation builds for months for the unveiling of his royal ensemble.
In the kingdom of Wetumpka, Jay Herring and Doug Baloy ...


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This Could Get Annoying: Fashion Week Taxis Turn Into Boutiques
Beginning this Thursday, Glamour magazine and Condé Nast will initiate the first way that NYC riders can travel and shop at the same time. For five days only, whenever you hop into a yellow cab you can put away your wallet for fares, but keep your credit card handy to purchase luxury beauty goods directly off of the television screen. By downloading an app, riders can become instant shoppers as they scan away to purchase. However, unlike the uber-annoying backseat TV buzzing that we normally silence during our 10-minute commute, there will be no option to shut off these monitors. Not interested? Not much you can do about it — unless you'd rather get out of the cab and risk missing the show at Milk Studios.
Luckily, since the majority of the city is not going to be participating in New York Fashion Week, these taxi boutiques will only be picking up in the neighborhoods that will be bombarded with editors, buyers, models, and photographer — namely around Lincoln Center and the Meatpacking District. While we're all for new and cool ways to buy luxury products — and scoring a free ride, duh! — we're not entirely convinced that this is the best way to do it. What's your take on the inescapable Fashion Week Taxi
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You are welcome and invited to a meditation and Sat Nam Rasayan® Healing Workshop at the Healing Heart Center. We will explore healing and the radiant body.
Through the radiant body we choose how we relate with ourselves and others. The radiant body projects our presence externally to others and internally to ourselves. In this tradition, we practice developing a healing presence. With a strong radiant body, our very presence has a profound healing impact on our environment.
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- " The hostel is located beside Chinatown, Although we didn't face any problem going to and out of the hostel, we received many warnings regarding safety from people around. Level 4 has very weak (almost no) wifi signal. The windows are of the fenestrated glass type, which leaks your voice to outside if you are concerned about your privacy. However, the receptionist was understanding and he offered to change our room to a better one after complaining, and we paid no extra money for the change. "
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LETTER: No police there to tip
SAN ANGELO, Texas - Darrold Deremo, San Angelo
I went to the Tip A Cop fundraiser July 25 at the Texas Roadhouse. I was very saddened and surprised that I saw no cops there to tip. I would think that if something like that was to include your organization that you, too, would include your organization and be there to fulfill what is said, "Tip a cop."
This was to raise funds for Special Olympics Texas. There were several Special Olympic athletes, a fire inspector and a fire-police dispatcher, along with coordinators for the Special Olympics. I understand that this is the second year this has happened.
If something was up where the police officers could not be there, then I apologize, and don't think that I don't appreciate what you do for me and others on a daily basis in keeping us safe. I'm very grateful for that.
I just don't understand why there could not have been even two or three police officers there for the event.
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The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office today released new estimates on the cost of the president's health care law, revealing a shocking new sticker price of $1.8 trillion.
Healthwatch - The Hill's Healthcare Blog
By Julian Pecquet
Seniors in a number of states risk losing their Medicare Advantage benefits because of cuts in President Obama's healthcare reform law, according to a new report from Avalere.
The First Amendment ensures that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the exercise of religion. These protections have been reaffirmed by Congress and upheld by the courts throughout the history of our nation.
Candidate Barack Obama promised to "lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year." Instead, news reports today highlighted significant premium increases, with three states now seeing increases of at least 20 percent.
The Obama administration has claimed endorsements from religious organizations to convince the public that their "accommodation" for conscience rights restores religious liberties that are threatened by HHS' health care mandate.
The USA Today editorialized yesterday, "History shows that presidential leadership is an indispensable factor in any serious attempt to get the federal budget under control." Unfortunately, instead of demonstrating that leadership with a serious proposal to get our fiscal house in order, President Obama has just proposed a budget that leaves our nation with a record-level deficit for the fourth


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How do questions help you?
Questions — especially open-ended ones — help to uncover information, wisdom, knowledge, hopes, dreams, motives, choices, answers, and most importantly, more questions
Jim Rohn is widely credited with saying that you must constantly ask yourself these questions: "Who am I around? What are they doing to me? What have they got me reading? What have they got me saying? Where do they have me going? What do they have me thinking? And most important, what do they have me becoming? Then ask yourself the big question: Is that okay? Your life does not get better by chance, it gets better by change."
For most of my 25-year police career and my 20-plus years as a law enforcement trainer, I thought that the ability to make change and influence behavior was the result of always having answers to questions and solutions to problems. I mistakenly thought that my job as a law enforcement professional and trainer was to be a problem solver and I assumed that meant I had to always come up with the right answers and solutions.
Over the past 30 years, I've discovered that the real ability to create lasting change comes in the form of questions. Questions — especially open-ended ones — help to uncover information, wisdom, knowledge, hopes, dreams, motives, choices, answers, and most importantly, more questions. This applies to your personal and professional life. Let me share a handful of examples:
For some time as a patrol supervisor, incident commander, and trainer I mistakenly thought the key to debriefings was to tell more and ask less. Tell officers what they did right, what they did wrong and what they need to do differently. I was under the mistaken belief that this methodology would change behavior and improve performance.
Occasionally it did, but rarely to the extent that I hoped for.
It has taken me 20 years, but I believe I've discovered that the key to effective debriefings is to ask more and tell less. As Dan James says, "Asking questions will get you the performance you are after far better than dictating demands." Questions help everyone involved learn and grow through self-reflection — a more powerful tool for creating lasting change than being told what to do by someone else.
Questions such as:
One specific question I wish I had known very early in my life is the question that I now refer to as life's most powerful question: What's Important Now? This one question would have helped me in a number of ways:
One question I wish I had never learned as a cop is "Do you want to do this the easy way, or the hard way?" It seems that the hard way always involved a fight which usually resulted in someone being injured and was too often followed by a citizen's complaint. As Peter Drucker says "The most serious mistakes are not being made as a result of wrong answers. The truly dangerous thing is asking the wrong question."
I would encourage you to do three things in both your personal and professional life:
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The Migration Policy Institute celebrated its first decade as the authoritative, unimpeachable resource on immigration and immigrant integration analysis and policy design in the United States and internationally.
This event marks MPI Europe's official launch in Brussels. To inaugurate the new office, MPI Europe will host a panel discussion to explore what is driving societal discontent in Europe, the role immigration plays in this, and why there is a growing perception that immigrant integration efforts are failing.
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Expressing shock over Maharashtra government's "insensitivity" towards condition of women in shelter homes across the city, the Bombay High Court today appointed a three-member committee to look into allegations of sexual abuse by inmates at the state-run Navjivan Mahila Vastigrah in suburban
The committee will comprise Asha Bajpai of Tata Institute of Social Science, Dr Harish Shetty and Deputy Commissioner of police (Highway Traffic Division) Rashmi
The panel has been directed to visit and inspect the condition of the shelter home at Mankhurd and look into allegations levelled by a woman that several men armed with weapons used to enter the home at night and rape as well as assault the women housed there.
A division bench of Chief Justice Mohit Shah and Justice N M Jamdar was hearing a petition based on a letter sent by activist Purnima Upadhyay raising concerns about safety of women lodged at the Mankhurd shelter home.
The court had last week also issued notice to Maharashtra government after taking up the issue suo moto (on its own) following a newspaper article on the woman who escaped from the protective home along with 22 others.
Government pleader D A Nalavade today told the court that the crime branch was probing the allegations of sexual assault levelled by the woman.
He submitted an affidavit filed by Ambadas Pote, deputy commissioner of police (Crime) stating that no incident of rape or sexual assault has ever happened at the protective home.
The affidavit further said that 12 staff members, 58 inmates, 24 police personnel posted at the home and six NGO members frequently visit and interact with the inmates and none of them have seen any man entering the house with weapons and raping the inmates.
The bench was, however, not satisfied with the probe and said the crime branch appeared to have merely inquired into the specific allegation of armed men barging into the home and raping women at knife point.
"The video-taped interview of the woman states that some men would visit the home, and on their request the woman care-takers would ask inmates to go out with the men and those who refused were tortured," the court said.
The bench was also irked that the crime branch had not yet registered FIR in the matter.
"One statement of one witness is sufficient to lodge an FIR. This woman's statement contains more than sufficient material to lodge an FIR. What more does the police want?" the Chief Justice asked.
Appointing a committee to probe into the issue, the court said the crime branch will not investigate the matter.
The court has now posted the matter for further hearing on November 26 on which the committee will have to submit its report.


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Apple, T-Mobile offer 3 German iPhone plans
updated 08:15 pm EDT, Mon October 29, 2007
iPhone plans for Germany
Following the official announcement in September, T-Mobile and Apple today announced three rate plans for users of the iPhone in Germany, starting at �49 per month. Called "iPhone Complete" plans, all three include unlimited data, Visual Voicemail and access to T-Mobile's more than 8,000 Wi-Fi HotSpots in Germany. Apple's popular device is scheduled to go on sale on November 9 and will be sold in Germany through Telekom Shops of Deutsche Telekom and the T-Mobile website and will require a new 2-year T-Mobile rate plan; it will be available in an 8GB model for �399 including V.A.T. Apple has already announced that it has sold more than 1.4 million iPhones since its June 30th launch and that over 250,000 devices were sold to unlockers who used third-party hacks to enable the phone on other GSM networks.
The entry level �49 "Complete M" plan offers 100 minutes and 40 SMS messages, while the "Complete L" for �69 offers 200 minutes and 150 SMS messages. The highest plan "Complete XL" plan offers 1000 minutes and 300 SMS messages for �89. The company said that additional minutes will be �0.39/minute for the "M" and "L" plans and �0.29/minute for the "XL" plan, while text messages over the allotted number will be an additional �0.29 per message. The company is also charging a one-time set-up free of �25, but it is unclear whether existing T-mobile customers will be charged this fee.
"This means that users can enjoy the fantastic experience of the mobile Internet on the iPhone with no worries," said Philipp Humm, managing director, T-Mobile Germany. The incredible combination of T-Mobile's powerful EDGE network combined with the country's largest offering of Wi-Fi HotSpots and the exclusive 'iPhone Complete' rate plans give T-Mobile customers everything they need to experience the iPhone to the fullest. The transparently structured Complete rates thus confirm our brand motto 'simply closer.'"
By the end of 2007, T-Mobile also said it will be the only network operator in Germany to offer EDGE throughout almost its entire GSM network. EDGE, the network carrier claims, accelerates the mobile data transfer rate to over 220 Kilobits per second, which makes it almost four times as fast as ISDN in fixed-line networks.
"We're thrilled to be partnering with T-Mobile and can't wait to start selling the iPhone in Germany in just a few short weeks," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "Starting at just �49 per month, we think these three rate plans give customers the flexibility to experience all of iPhone's revolutionary features at affordable and competitive prices."


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New Zealand Embassy Manila, The Philippines
Christchurch earthquake update
Christchurch, New Zealand's second-largest city, was hit by a magnitude 6.3 earthquake on Tuesday 22 February. The quake caused severe damage and tragic casualties.
A memorial service for the victims was attended by tens of thousands of people in Christchurch on Friday 18 March.
In his address at the service, Prime Minister John Key noted the international impact of the earthquake. "We are conscious that we are united in our loss with families in more than 20 countries whose fate was to have a loved one far, far from home at the time the earthquake struck."
"We say to those families that we embrace them as part of the wider New Zealand community. Your family members have become part of the story of this city, and of this country, and we will remember your loved ones as we will remember our own," he said.
The New Zealand government has launched an appeal to help the people of Christchurch during this time of great need. You can make a difference by donating to the Christchurch earthquake appeal.
The official list of those who died as a result of the earthquake is available here. Updates on affected Filipinos are being posted on the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs website.
Travellers are advised that services throughout the wider New Zealand, including tourism businesses, are operating as normal, except for in some parts of central Christchurch and Lyttelton. Christchurch International Airport remains the international gateway to the South Island and from there it is easy to travel to Canterbury's visitor destinations such as Akaroa, Kaikoura, Methven/Mt Hutt, Aoraki Mount Cook and Hanmer Springs. People planning to visit New Zealand can get further advice from their travel providers and Tourism New Zealand.
Up-to-date information on the effects of the earthquake and recovery efforts are available on the New Zealand government's dedicated Christchurch earthquake website, as well as the Civil Defence and New Zealand Police websites.
More statements on the earthquake and recovery efforts from Prime Minister John Key, Foreign Minister Murray McCully and other relevant ministers are available on the Beehive website.
New Zealand's media has extensive coverage of the earthquake and recovery efforts, including on the New Zealand Herald, Fairfax publications, Television New Zealand, TV3 and Radio New Zealand websites.
The New Zealand ambassador's blog also discusses the earthquake, here and here.
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Yale's Joey Falk hits an approach shot onto the seventh green Thursday afternoon during BWAC golf action at Rattle Run Golf Course.
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Yale had four golfers finish in the top nine Thursday on its way to a 10-stroke victory in a Blue Water Area Conference jamboree at Rattle Run Golf Course.
The Bulldogs finished with a 159, well ahead of the rest of the field, including Armada and Almont, which tied for second with 169s. Croswell-Lexington was fourth at 186, followed by Richmond (192), Algonac (200), Capac (202) and Imlay City (221).
Joey Falk led the way for Yale, earning co-medalist honors in the meet with a 37. He was tied with Armada's Luke Mackley for the low round on the day. Falk's teammate Jordan Harms was one stroke back of ...


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Espresso Crinkles
Unsweetened chocolate and instant espresso powder give depth of flavor to these sophisticated cookies. A dredge in powdered sugar before baking ensures sweetness, and also gives them a unique cracked surface and snow-covered look.
Reviewer swimkev gave these cookies the highest 5-star rating: "I made these for a cookie exchange and they are outstanding! No modifications, and they came out looking just like the photograph. Highly recommend."


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I would like to give a big thanks to Clithero Pleasure Horses in helping me find Hes So Dreamy, a two year old gelding by A Dream Remembered and out of This Lady's A Goodbar. Since I purchased (Ace) he has won 2012 Missouri State Fair two yr old pleasure, 2012 West Tennessee Quarter Horse Association Two yr old futurity, place winner in Illinois futurity 2012, third place winner in NAILE two yr old pleasure class 2012. Ace has also competed in Select Western Pleasue in his two yr old year and received aqha points.
With the help of Ronnie Clithero I was able to give Ace this opportunity in being successful in western pleasure classes and give him a well balanced training program for furthering his career in other events as well.
Many thanks again!!
Judy Fox
Watseka, IL.
I found Krymsun Kowboy, my first WP gelding, at Clithero Pleasure Horses almost 2 years ago. At only 5 years old, he is a wonderfully calm and trusted kids' horse who can do anything you teach him. With Ronnie's help, my 11 and 12 year old daughters and I have won over two dozen first place ribbons in 2012, earning year end high point awards in halter, 13 and under walk-
Amy Herron
Moscow Mills, MO.
Hi Ronnie,
I bought suddenly spicy from you a little ways back. I just wanted to let you know how much we love him and how great of a horse he has been for us! He was everything you said he was and more. He has earned points in Western Pleasure, Horsemanship, Trail, Showmanship, equitation and halter. As a three year old he qualified for the world show in am three year old geldings. This year as a four year old we took him to the Novice Championships in TN and we made the finals in equitation and the semi-
Ashton Eash