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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:51 am
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I'm sticking this over in conversions since this is has a little bit of Shadowrun to it, but there are a couple generally useful questions I wanted to ask the group regarding handling some permutations of burst fire for special weapons.
1) So there's the three round burst and then there's the three round burst. By the latter case I mean something like the G11 or the two round burst in the AN94 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN-94) where the weapon literally switches to a higher cyclic rate operation and puts out rounds fast enough to (supposedly) hit the same spot on the target. So how to handle this? I have a couple ideas: either as a three-round burst, but with no bonus to hit but an extra die of damage, or possibly as a two Shooting die attack with no recoil penalty. One's probably more accurate if you believe the hype, but two might be more like it realistically.
2) There's a class of weapon in Shadowrun called the supermachinegun, which has a higher rate of fire and notably fires six round bursts rather than three. It probably doesn't fire fast enough to justify more than an RoF 4, but the six-round burst is a bit more difficult to model. I think either of the options for the bursts above might work, but I'd been considering both a +2 to hit and an extra die of damage. Could be overpowered, though.
3) More of a generic pricing question, but I could see a weird scientist (or a cyborg using similar rules) desiring a weapon with double-tap or 3RB capability. In terms of power point cost, how much would a 3RB cost? I'm tempted to think it's about equivalent to shooting an extra bolt (since there are no recoil modifiers). Does that sound more or less right?
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Some military settings (especially the modern ops book) use bonus and burst templates for weapons with high rate of fire. For example your supermachinegun could simply have +2 on shooting and damage.
The normal 3 rd burst could be a +4 on shooting/damage because its really a 6rd-burst.
Other weapons have a even higher rate of fire and attack anything under a small burst template (with +x shooting/damage).
You have to choose the exact bonus. In modern ops it get as high as +6 dam/shoot and a SBT or MBT for Twin Miniguns.
Weird War has similiar rules for linked weapons, each linked weapons give +1 on dam/shoot, but limited to +3
Necropolis works somewhat differently, there linked weapons give +1 an shooting and an additional die.
So shooting a twin Minigun would be +1 on shooting and damage 3d8+1 (instead 2d8+1).
In Necropolis some weapon with high rate of fire gives a spirit penalty of -1 to resist supressing fire.
As you could see there are different ways to do things.
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1) Those weapons are designed to have no recoil during the burst, making it even more accurate (hence the "all bullets in the same spot" claim). I'd probably just give it an additional +1 attack / damage when using the option - a reward for being optimized for a particular use.
2) For a 6RB, +2 Shooting and +1 die of damage should be nasty enough to make the weapons desirable despite the other drawbacks.
3) Using the DL:R personal gatling weapons as a model - a Weird Science gun would call its power points Ammunition, and follow the normal ammunition rules. This trades the limitations of power points for the limitations of having to acquire ammunition (bullets or energy cells).
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[quote="ValhallaGH"]1) Those weapons are designed to have no recoil during the burst, making it even more accurate (hence the "all bullets in the same spot" claim). I'd probably just give it an additional +1 attack / damage when using the option - a reward for being optimized for a particular use. [quote]
Interesting point; in operation I suppose they don't have as much spread (probably not to the point of the same point of impact though), so the bonus to hit is probably still justified. +2/+2 for an AN-94 and +3/+3 for a G11 type weapon seems justified, especially since the G11 is probably Rof 2 at most.
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Wellington - Laser skin treatments are nothing new, and typically they come with painful side effects such as redness, and swelling. But there's a new type of laser treatment called the "Icon" that makes all of that, and the down time, a thing of the past.
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Its been a while considering I was on travel fish everyday from may-November!!
I completed my first ever 'backpacking' trip in November an it was the best thing I'd ever done, absOlutely loved it! With a lot of help from travel fish!! I basically travelled Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and phillipines, not everything went to plan and I spent probably double what i planned mainly due to accommodation and domestic flights, it was basically a long holiday (all because my gf is too girly) so didn't really get down and dirty with hill tribes and village stays, and this time I want it to be completely different..
I would like some help on a different itinerary (starting in Thailand again) I want a real adventure this time because to be honest we didn't do half of the activities I would have liked, another problem was we got talking to NO other backpackers, shocking I know! Due to the accommodations we stayed in.
any help at all is appreciated but I'm basically thinking Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia Borneo and maybe oz for a bit...
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This is one time our hearts must overrule our heads of state.
TOMORROW Melbourne woman Nancy Asani will once again mark the awful moment her life changed, the moment a man driving on the wrong side of the road in a car without headlights crashed head-on into her car.
It was December 16, 1999, Asani was 26 years old and 37 weeks pregnant. "My world had shattered; there's just no other feeling like it," she told The Age in January.
Of course, Asani was referring to the loss of her daughter, Meriem, who arrived stillborn in the early hours of that Thursday morning in a labour ward of the old Royal Women's Hospital.
Meriem was Asani and her partner Michael Davis's much-wanted second child, a younger sister for their then one-year-old son, Jalen.
But her world or, at the very least, world view, was left shattered in other ways, too. The driver at fault pleaded guilty to causing serious injury to Asani but there was no reference to the death of her baby. This had little to do with the question of intent, fault or even culpability, but simply because in Victoria no such law exists.
In the past decade, across the nation, you can count on the fingers of one hand the number of families who know what it is to lose a child in utero due to road trauma. But this doesn't make the loss any less unbearable. New South Wales mother Brodie Donegan, too, was pulled into this legal vacuum after losing her unborn daughter, Zoe, when allegedly hit by a drug-affected driver while out walking.
When Donegan's case goes to court, it will almost be as if Zoe never existed, despite NSW introducing legislation in 2005.
Under the act, Byron's Law, named to honour Renee Shields and her unborn son who died in a road-rage incident in 2001, the accused will be charged with grievous bodily harm causing the destruction of a foetus. Because the act doesn't discriminate between the loss of an unborn child and severe accident-sustained trauma, such as a brain or spinal injury, the 40-year-old driver could face a 25-year sentence, but not a charge of manslaughter.
In 2004, a Victorian government review looked at introducing new offences in the road-accident deaths of unborn babies capable of surviving outside the womb. In the end, despite suggestions to the contrary, including a raw, heartfelt submission from Asani, the government refused to change the law.
This wasn't just a missed opportunity. It was a travesty. The awful, random death of a child, no matter the circumstance, is and should be disturbing. It should stir debate. But when it happens on our roads - those ubiquitous bitumen tributaries upon which so many of us while away our precious hours - then it should shake us to the core. So why hasn't it?
Tragedy has turned Asani and Donegan into crusaders, with both women pushing for tougher sentences, but aside from supportive sound bites, mainly from Christian groups, how adrift they must feel; lone voices in a sea of silence.
Of course, the issue is complicated, messy and highly subjective, not least because it can't be addressed without allowing for the abortion/pro-life debate, and the highly problematic, wholly necessary, matter of when life begins. Is it at conception, as religious groups purport, or when a child first draws breath, as Victoria's road law dictates?
The State government last waded into this debate as recently as 2008 when drawing up its Abortion Law Reform Act, which decriminalised the termination of pregnancy and set out guidelines for when an abortion can take place (up to 24 weeks' gestation; after that it is legal only under exceptional circumstances). With that act, a precedent was set, one that can surely shine light on amendments to our road legislation.
Put aside for a moment that in Victoria a 20-week foetus killed in a car accident is counted towards the road toll. Forget, too, that the babies lost on our roads were wanted.
That they were loved, planned or not, or the miraculous result of months of fertility treatment, as was the case with car crash victim Hannah Robert, who lost her unborn baby daughter Zainab six weeks before she was due, and whose victim impact statement recently reduced Judge Meryl Sexton to tears.
Few things galvanise a society more than violence against children, as evidenced by an outpouring of grief over the bashing death of two-year-old Victorian girl Hayley last year, and the suspected murder of US-based Australian girl Zahra Baker. So how is it that we can turn a blind eye to the loss of an unborn child in a fatal road accident, surely one of the most routinely violent crimes of our day and age?
We know the answer to that, don't we? As it stands, according to our legal system these healthy, close-to-full-term foetuses were not human.
This is one time our hearts must overrule our heads of state. Babies like Meriem, Zoe and Zainab will continue to die on our roads. We owe it to them, and to their families, to acknowledge that while their lives never properly began, each and every little soul mattered. These girls never took a breath, that's true, but let's not stand by and allow their inconsolable parents to waste one more of theirs.
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LG to out three WM 6.5 handsets soon
LG on Thursday announced it will ship three new Windows Mobile handsets over the course of the next few weeks. By the end of 2010, that number will grow to 13 Windows Mobile cellphones. One of the phones, the GM750 (pictured), will feature a touchscreen interface, another will be a touch slider with a QWERTY keyboard and the third, the GW550, will sport a QWERTY bar form factor. Each will be initially launched in limited markets, including Europe, the US and Asia, before making a global debut.
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This topic gets started on a regular basis, so I thought it might be a good idea to start a single thread for info, questions, tips, commiserating, etc. Now we can have a single place with all the good info on IDA.
Maybe we can get Kevin to make the thread sticky so it's easily accessible.
Note: None of this is actual medical advice, just tips and info from fellow forumites.
what a GREAT idea, lari. i'm in!
btw...whatsa "kevin?" he makes threads sticky? ...umm, like spiderman?
i feel like someone just gave me a brand new 10 speed bike — and it's just my feet!
Thanks! Kevin's the moderator. I guess that's sort of like our own SpiderMan.
ooo. we have our own spiderman. ooo.
Our SpiderMan Kevin stickied it.
Now we have our own IDA club.
and here's our first topic...ahem! just had a whomper dh argument over "daily req's of iron" as he's POSITIVE that if you go over 100% of what you need, that's bad. but i told him that for me, my daily iron supps are waaaay over 100% and for the first time since we've been dealing with IDA, he said
"ok. you should call doc....i don't think that's good for you. too much iron can hurt your kidneys."
then he shows me his dude vitamins -
"see? look what the iron is here. and i'm a MAN, so i need more."
i take 1 of those lovely black pills, 65mgs, 361% of daily req's and 1 iron water packet (spatone's pur absorb) which is 5mg, 28% of daily req's. and during my girl times, 2 lil blacks and no iron water.
maybe it's the 361% of daily req's that's freaking him out? is he...right? i really hope not as then i gotta put up with that you know, I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG face. that's the worst as it can last for weeks.
Iron overload is a real disorder, however I don't think it's something you or I really have to worry about, Mudpud. since neither of us seems to be able to absorb enough, there's not too much concern... well, unless you get a transfusion, then maybe.
For someone who doesn't have an iron deficiency, they could over supplement. We're under the care of hematologists, though... And they're telling us to take it. Since my Hgb hasn't reached the normal range in who knows how long, I'm not really worried about iron overload!
YAAAAY, LARI! ha! i WIN! you are right and so is doc hematol. her thoughts were very larry david -
"i'm a hematologist...he is your husband. DOCTOR...husband."
...so HE is WRONG! WRONG! wooooo!
thank goodness he never stalks around here...that would be awwwwwkward!
^I hope you had fun re-education your other half.
I took Lawyermom's suggestion about lo-lo (since the IUD isn't enough), because I was having side effects with the last one. Fingers crossed.
oh DEFINITELY fingers crossed! i hope it works for you, lar.
Hi Everyone,
I'm not sure this is appropriate for this thread but I have become more concerned about iron deficiency since finding out that I am pregnant. I have never been found deficient in iron but my levels are never high (often near the cut off line for blood donations) and I heard that anemia can be an issue for pregnant women. Since I am continuing to run, should I talk to my doctor about this? Will they automatically test iron levels during routine prenatal care?
Philly Runner, you're in the right place. If you have any concerns (iron related or otherwise), it would be a good idea to speak with your physician. HGB/HCT are part of a CBC, but checking specifically for iron/transferritin/TIBC/% iron sat are different tests.
I've never had kids, so MPJ or one other the other can answer whether that's included with any routine labs during pregnancy.
Good luck!
hey, philly runner! CONGRATULATIONS! i hope you have a wonderful and easy pregnancy. how exciting. "-)
@ your very first or next prenat, talk to your ob about your concerns and have them do base blood levels, if they don't already advise it. take your prenatal as it's LOADED with iron already and start bumping up your iron diet. spinach, collards, lentils, fortified cereals (total complete is a really good one) lean meat and chicken if you're a meat eater, and lots of calcium to get the best absorption. you might find that your body CRAVES iron for the first 2 trimesters so listen to it. eat all that you can but don't take supplements unless your ob says it's ok. truly, your prenat vitamin will give you just what you need and a diet rich in iron will ensure you and the lil fish are getting enough.
do you like pesto? if so, i have a KILLER iron rich recipe. super easy to make and so yummy on nibbles or chicken, pasta...oo. i'm seriously getting hungry right now.
Hi All,
I'm finding myself really frustrated with my doctor (not that I see her often and not that I really like any doctors!)... Last year my training really went downhill and I knew something was up. I was seeing the doctor about something else but wanted to bring that up as well and I felt like I was having to fight to convince her anything was wrong. I think she pretty much gave into blood tests in the end because I hadn't had any in awhile so why not! Anyway those tests came back and I was quite severely anemic and just like that I got taken seriously. I started taking prescribed high-dose iron and training levels went back to normal.
My problem now is that she keeps wanting to take me off them because the tests will show my levels are okay (because I'm taking iron maybe?). The last tests were also done when I was out of action due to a stress fracture and she gave me a prescription but said not to fill it until the results came back. Results came back fine of course... I've gradually started picking up my training again and a few weeks ago I felt like I was right at the start of the downward spiral I ended up in last year. My prescription was still valid so I went and got the iron and feel great again.
Anyway, that's pretty much just me having a rant!
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Rant as much as you would like. We all know that awful fatigue all too well.
Hi mudpuddlejumper,
Thanks! I will talk to the doctor at my first prenatal appointment. I bought these gummy prenatal vitamins and then realized they don't have iron! They have plenty of folic acid but I think I need the iron, too. I might be another prenatal vitamin with iron and rotate them every other day until I run out of the gummies. I ate the throw them away because they weren't cheap. Can you send me the pesto recipe? I love pesto and have lots of fresh herbs from my garden right now!
Is it possible to get TOO much vitamin A? I really like liver (strange, I know) but read that eating liver for iron can cause too much vitamin A in pregnant women.
twisted...oh man, rant away! i have that problem every month and have to double up my dose, for two weeks—the week during a cycle and the week after. i just lose too much and my levels take a nose dive. it's even worse when i'm training pretty hard or running a 40+ mpw. we've actually done a mid-month panel, just to see how low it can get from the loss.
might be a storage issue for you...when you are training hard, you deplete your stores and then you get low again. and if you felt instantly better, getting back on them, then...makes sense to me you should always be on them? i dunno. what do you feel like when you are on a reg dose, 65mg a day? same? still fatigued? be interesting to see.
philly! here's your recipe - fresh basil, flat leaf, even a lil lemon verbena...ooo...all would be very good add-ins!
1 cup baby spinach
1 cup baby kale
1/2 cup whole almonds
2 cloves garlic, roughly chopped (or more if you really dig garlic!)
handful fresh basil leaves or flat leaf parsley or watercress
1/2 parm cheese (fresh is best)
1/2t sea salt
a few grinds of pepper
olive oil
1. put everything except the oil in a food processor.
2. start pulsing and as you pulse, add a steady stream of oil thru the neck.
3. keep pulsing and adding oil 'til the mixture becomes like a thick paste. then stop, taste, pulse again til the paste thins out juusssst a bit more. the best consistency is like a chunky nutella.
you don't want it runny or too thin. a spreadable consistency is great for anything from veggie dipping to melting into pasta dishes.
put the pesto in an airtight container in the fridge. keeps for about 10 days and VERY easy to freeze! :-)
when you go for your first ob, get on a script prenat, philly. those are the best. i think otc is fine for the folic acid boost while you are waiting for your first visit but you probably need the real deal w/ iron. liver...wow. that's what your body wants? i'm guessing that's a mondo craving for iron? i dunno about the vitamin a and pregnancy...but maybe dr. bart might? paging dr. bart?
^MPJ, that recipe looks great! Very high in iron too. Thanks for sharing.
So nice having people agree with me! I had a similar rant to my physio and she thought it was pretty stupid too but then she is lovely and knows me pretty well.
I'm a double dose of 65mg a day. Not sure what I'd be like on just one tablet? Can't say I've noticed any differences at different times of the month though. My levels were always at the low end of normal because I'm pretty close to vegetarian (I eat chicken and that's it) but it wasn't until last year that I had any real issues. I think at the back of my mind I suspected low iron levels but thought it could just be that I needed a week off from training or had been generally busy etc. it just got worse though to the stage that running 5-10mins at a super easy pace was either leaving me short of breath or with ridiculously tight, achy calves. I wasn't recovering from races like I normally would and would sometimes end up with a cold afterwards. So yeah, lots of all that fun stuff! Once I finally convinced the doctor I wasn't imagining things and started taking the iron my training levels went back to normal. Earlier in the year the doctor wasn't going to renew the prescription but then tests showed the levels weren't as good as she would've liked (but were still good) so I got to keep taking them. Headed overseas in April for a half marathon and ended up with a damn stress fracture 2 weeks out from the race. My iron tablets ran out towards the end of my holiday but because I was out of action I didn't really notice any different. And as I mentioned, my last tests were when I was still out due to my foot. I've obviously had to take it slow going back to training but even at the easier efforts as I started to increase the mileage I just felt like I was at the start of that spiral from last year and there was no way I was going to deal with that again.
Adds to my general frustration with the doctor. The same tests said my cholesterol was borderline (don't know if that was due to being out of action and having been on holiday for 4 weeks?) and I got this talk about how I needed to exercise 30mins a day and trim the fat from my meat and a long list of other things that certainly don't apply to me! It always feels like they think I'm a complete idiot
And totally using that recipe too looks super tasty
I think the feeling like an idiot part should be reversed if your doc is lecturing a distance runner to exercise 30 minutes a day...
Philly,Liver has a lot of bad stuff in it because it absorbs all the toxins from the body. A healthy person can handle that stuff every now and than but I would be very cautious to eat that more often than once or twice a month especially considering your pregnancy.
Run, Rest, Repeat
^Interesting about liver. I haven't really thought about it as a vegetarian.
It brings up an important, though. Heme iron (from animal products) is absorbed more easily than non-heme iron (plant-based). Also, and MPJ may have already mentioned it, vitamin C helps absorption of iron.
per 100 grams of liver contains 31.1 mg iron and 20.8 mg protein. there are also rich vitamin A and folic acid.
However, the liver contains cholesterol, one should not eat too much.
Don't worry too much. It sounds like you kept running although you weren't feeling good doing it so the impact to your endurance shouldn't have been too great so far. Don't underestimate how quickly medication can turn things around. For your thyroid issue you will have to expect some up and down in the first few months of treatment though because it is a long process to get your hormone levels back to where they should be and during that time the medication will possibly push you to the other end of the scale. However, you should feel a change very soon after starting the medication. I remember for me it was almost immediate.
As far as the IDA, people are sometimes surprised by how much it can affect performance. I went from finishing 20 milers and going about my daily activities no problem, to needing to take a walk break after running 2 or 3 miles. I also had SOB, light-headedness, etc.
A few questions: Does your doc have you on oral iron, or IV? Did he/she ID the cause of the IDA? Does he/she know you're a runner?
You can get your iron levels up, and get your performance back up as well. If you have low iron stores, it may take a little longer, because you'll need to build up your stores, and need time for your hemoglobin and hematocrit to improve.
Hang in there, though!
okay...since I finally have some free time I will try to address some of these questions based upon my own experiences. I am not a people doctor (rather a veterinarian) so take my advice with a grain of salt (and some cat hair).
It seems like there is some confusion about lab tests--what they mean and how to interpret them in regard to iron deficiency. Diagnosis is not made upon a single test but rather a series of different tests. There are numerous causes for anemia that are not related to nutritional iron (like kidney disease...especially if you happen to be a cat). With any 'anemia' diagnosis, it is important to decipher the lab tests to get to the root cause. Is it from excessive blood loss? (heavy periods, internal bleeding, gastric ulcers, hemorrhoids, cancer, blood in urine, auto-immune destruction or red blood cells) or from poor absorption? (celiac disease, interference from other minerals...ie-calcium, or unknown). There is also an interesting and well-documented phenomenon known as 'footstrike hemolysis' seen in runners (also called 'march hemolysis as it was first observed in Army training involving excessive marching). Footstrike hemolysis is mechanical destruction of red blood cells occurring over cycles of 'micro-trauma' to the feet (essentially squishing red cells when the foot impacts the ground). This can be alleviated by wearing suitable, cushioned shoes (replacing when overly worn) and avoiding hard impact surfaces such as concrete. Some leisure reading about it here: http://jap.physiology.org/content/94/1/38 and https://secure.familyhealthtra...5a89bff6d8625ddf298a
Okay, What about these lab tests? What should the doc be looking for? The basics:
Anemia - does NOT necessarily mean iron-deficiency! Anemia is defined as decreased red blood cells and/or decreased hemoglobin. There are MANY causes and any diagnosis of 'anemia' must be investigated further! The first step is the Complete Blood Count (CBC) test. Most docs can perform these tests in office with a simple blood sample:
Hemoglobin (Hb or Hgb) - a protein that is a component of red blood cells. It carries oxygen from the lungs to body tissues. This oxygen release powers metabolism. Hb is a metallo-protein and is dependent on iron for proper function. Anemia with low Hb is defined as 'hypochromic' anemia ('chromic' as it is the heme metalloprotein that gives the red cell it's characteristic color).
Hematocrit (Hct) - also known as PCV ('packed cell volume') is red blood cell volume expressed as a percentage. Hct is expected to elevate in states of dehydration (more red cells relative to plasma). It can also be elevated in conditions that allow for leaky blood capillaries (plasma loss). Hct testing is common for pro athletes as first indicator of EPO or anabolic steroid use as these drug will dramatically increase relative red blood cell production. (not that anyone here is a cheater...but an interesting factoid
Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV) - measures the average size of a red blood cell. Is it too big? too small? or juuuust right?? This can give the doc some good clues as to an underlying cause of anemia. In anemia, red cells that are too big are classified as 'macrocytic', too small are called 'microcytic', just right = 'normocytic'. Normocytic anemia is a clue to an acute problem (bleeding) that the bone marrow has not yet had a chance to respond to. Macrocytic cells are often the result of 'pernicious anemia' resulting from numerous causes including alcoholism, Vitamin B12, or folic acid deficiency. The most common cause of microcytic cells is iron deficiency (can also be microcytic with some genetic disorders such as thalassemia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassemia
Red Blood Cell Distribution Width (RDW) - a measure of variation in red blood cell size. Some types of anemia may present with normal RDW (anemia of chronic disease, aplastic anemia/primary bone marrow failure, acute blood loss) but elevated RDW is a hallmark of iron-deficiency anemia. Virtually all cases of iron-deficiency anemia will have elevated RDW!
Hb, Hct, MCV, and RDW values are all parts of the simple CBC blood test which is relatively inexpensive and quick to perform. And, you can see that a lot of good information and clues about iron status begin here. However; the most sensitive lab test for iron status is serum ferritin level. This is usually performed by a specialty laboratory (may take few days for results and cost a little more).
Ferritin - NOT iron but rather a protein that binds to iron in the body. It is an indicator of how much iron is stored by the body. Substantial decreases in ferritin will be observed before red blood cells are affected. It is a warning sign that the body is running out of iron and will go into an anemic state if not corrected soon. If anemia is caused by iron-deficiency, serum ferritin will always be very low. One can have very low serum ferritin and still have normal Hb and Hct!! Low serum ferritin is a warning sign that the body is running out of iron stores and will have to compensate soon (usually in form of microcytic, hypochromic anemia). Serum ferritin levels are often used to monitor the impact of supplementation programs (oral or IV supplements). You might have to ask you general practitioner about this test if they are not familiar!
So...say now you have enough laboratory confirmation to support your suspicion of iron-deficiency. How long until you see results with treatment? Keep in mind that the typical human red blood cell has a life span of 100-120 days. The iron supplement will not help red cells that are already circulating. You must wait for new, iron-loaded cells to be produced by the bone marrow. The process will begin at time of supplementation but full effect will not be seen until the iron-deficient red cells are at the end of their life span and replaced. Expect slow gradual improvement with full correction in 3-4 months.
With so many factors involved, anemia is not something that can (or should) be self-diagnosed. The assistance of a knowledgeable hematologist is helpful. I have been dealing with my own iron-deficiency anemia since 2006. After a multitude of tests to rule out sources of blood loss (upper GI endoscopy, colonoscopy, auto-immune screens) my cause was determined to be poor absorption. Oral supplements did little to improve the problem so I am now on regular regimen of IV iron infusions. Each infusion will last 12-18 months and my hematologist monitors my serum ferritin levels routinely to determine when another dose is necessary. Your specific treatment will heavily rely on the suspected underlying cause. You can develop iron toxicity from overdosing iron so best not to exceed labeled dosages if you plan to try an over-the-counter supplement to start. Please consult with a doctor first!
Hope this at least helped someone clarify some questions!
xcchic - there is not enough information about your tests to comment. 4% blood saturation of what? If this is in reference to PCV, or oxygen sat, or Hb, or Hct...you would not be coherent enough to write this post (likely dead). If this is a serum ferritin level (which is generally not expressed as a percentage), it has little meaning without knowing the CBC values. You can still have low serum ferritin and not be 'anemic'!
Hypothyroidism might be significant factor in your clinical signs. On a good note, thyroid supplementation generally provides quick results. Hang in there! Give it a week or two and see how you feel. In the meantime, ask the doc lots of questions about possible iron-deficiency and additional tests. I'd get as much information as possible before making a decision on your season. Good luck!
Vitamin A (in addition to vitamins E, D, and K) is fat-soluble and is stored very well by our bodies. It takes a very long time to become depleted of these vitamins and there is little need to supplement. Yes--it can be toxic, too! Cod liver oil is rich in vitamin A and safe at recommended, labeled doses. Kidney and liver are 'filter organs' and do store heavy metals which may cause some problems with pregnancy (the longer the lifespan of the animal that owned the liver = greater risk due to longer duration of time to accumulate harmful waste). I would avoid eating liver (especially during pregnancy). If it is one of those cravings you must have, chicken liver is probably the best bet (they generally don't live long enough to accumulate harmful toxin levels).
Factoids from obscure veterinary journals....there have been cases of severe, acute vitamin A toxicity in humans that have eaten the livers of fatty critters adapted to living in the arctic (polar pears, fur seals, etc). A couple of Antarctic explorers died after eating the livers their sled dogs
I assume she means % iron sat.
Xcchic, Hgb and Hct (along with RBC, MCV, etc), are used as primary dx tests (and part of a CBC). For IDA, serum iron, serum ferritin, TIBC, and % iron sat are also used as well to measure the amount of iron in the blood, how much of your stored iron has been used, and how much of your blood isn't carrying iron. Your hematologist may also perform peripheral blood smear. DrBart is absolutely correct in that your %iron sat by itself doesn't give much clinical information.
That's what you would expect to see with IDA... Are you following up with your GP at least?
Okay. Just make sure to continue follow up with your GP.
You have it extra with both IDA and hypothyroidism. We've all been through it and struggle with IDA, but we're proof you can get back where you want to be. Hang in there.
. take your prenatal as it's LOADED with iron already and start bumping up your iron diet. spinach, collards, lentils, fortified cereals (total complete is a really good one) lean meat and chicken if you're a meat eater, and lots of calcium to get the best absorption. you might find that your body CRAVES iron for the first 2 trimesters so listen to it. eat all that you can but don't take supplements unless your ob says it's ok.
Whoa Whoa Whoa WHOA! Calcium BINDS iron and prevents iron from being absorbed by your body. Did anybody already catch this? It is VITAMIN C that helps with the absorption of iron! If any woman has trouble donating blood due to their hgb being too low, try stopping their calcium supplement or multi-vitamin the day before. Worked for me. Generally I take my iron supp in the morning, and multi-vitamin at night.
Good catch!


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Christina Ricci's Refrigerator Stunt Sparks "Riccing" Trend — Thanks A Lot!
Coined "Riccing," this craze sees former plankers and Harlem Shakers cramming themselves inside fridges, underneath desks, and even (ew) hiding in trash cans. Cue hashtags and panicked attempts to dislodge yourself from the washing machine. Guys, it's worth remembering that Christina Ricci is about the size of a Polly Pocket. Do not try this at home.
Take a moment to spare a thought for the poor emergency services workers who are going to be called upon to bail these folks out of their various furniture-snuggling poses. We'll stick to our yoga class, thanks. (People)


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Missoni's pilot, airline not licencedComment on this story
Rome - The airline and the pilot of a plane that went missing in Venezuela on January 4 with Italian fashion executive Vittorio Missoni, his wife and four others on board were not licenced to fly, Italian investigators said on Tuesday.
Italy's agency for flight security, ANSV, said its investigation had found that the airline that owned the plane was not fully licenced to operate and that the pilot's licence had expired on November 30, more than a month before the flight.
The plane carrying Missoni, 58, his wife, Maurizia Castiglioni, another couple, a Venezuelan crew member, and the pilot - who was in his early 70s - disappeared after taking off from the resort of Los Roques, an archipelago off the coast.
Italy has sent rescue personnel to help in the search for the plane.
Missoni is the oldest child of the founders of the fashion house famous for its exuberantly coloured knits, featuring bold stripes and zigzags. He is co-owner with siblings Luca and Angela, who handle the technical and design sides of the firm. - Reuters
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"It's not like anybody screwed up totally"January 3, 2007 at 6:20 am | In December 2006 windstorm, West Seattle politics | 4 Comments
Quote of the day, from city councilman Richard Conlin, in the P-I, looking ahead to the hearing he's leading tonight on "Lessons from the Windstorm." He's talking about how city agencies, especially Seattle City Light, handled the storm's aftermath, including the outages that left so many of us without power for so long. And he appropriately spotlights the fact that so many of us didn't and couldn't get any information about HOW long we would be without power. Even information on who had their power back on and who was left to work on, would have been great; during that long dark week, we were reduced to driving around once it started getting dark, to get a take on things. Really, for those of us who were out of power for days, did you imagine, when it went out, that it would take so long to get it back? (By the way, if you can't make it to City Hall to tell your story tonight, you can watch the hearing live on the Seattle Channel, ch. 21, or a replay Friday morning.)
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Yeah right Conlin..
Comment by chet_desmond — 1:08 pm January 3, 2007 #
Would undergrounding the wires in heavily
forested areas help? I personally like to see the Mayor go on a big "let bury the wires" drive. I live in a beatiful West Seattle Neighborhood…except for the 90 year old telephone poles!
Comment by Robert — 2:00 pm January 3, 2007 #
I watched the meeting live today (Jan 3rd). If you didn't see it, I highly recommend watching it on-line.
It was very evident that Seattle City Light has a huge management issue. The vast majority of attendees and speakers were folks who work in the field for SCL and each told nearly an indentical story of not having the basic tools (i.e. flashlight or chainsaw) and the fact that since 2004 they've had 200 vacancies due to "budget constraints" while Carrasco and his team make $2.5 million base salaries.
I sent Conlin an email afterwards asking if the non-existant Mayor was invited to the meeting since as he was the one who nominated Carrasco. I'll be interested to hear the response.
Comment by dq — 10:30 pm January 3, 2007 #
Thanks dq .. looks like the city got caught with their pants down …. again. I hope you get a response. I have emailed people like Dow Constantine in the past with concerns and questions only to hear crickets.
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"The University of Illinois is also in turmoil. The university sports an Interim Chancellor, an Interim Athletic Director, and an Interim Football Coach; the game will be played at Soldier Field, making this an Illini Interim Home Game."
Your first pick?
Gruden, I know it's a risk but he could be a master recruiter...this is assuming no harbaugh.
I'm sorry, that answer is incorrect. We were looking for something original. Something original. You still have control of the board, please pick again.
I'll take future Michigan coaches for 200 alex.
I still clicked my downvote even though it doesn't go through. Out of principle. But I have added you to my list for the future.
What are the names of head coaches, ages 35 to 50, with successful coaching experience in the midwest? Are there that many? Who would they be?
(1) Papa Johns
(2) wait, what are we ranking?
1. Patterson
2. Miles
3. Gruden
I'd take any of these 3 happily, and Harbaugh is just a pipe dream. They all have very good benefits.
1. Tom Dungy
2. Bo Pelini
3.4. Any of the petersens
5. Gruden
Distant 6. Hoke
I have nothing against Hoke but then the rotinue of 9 win season cannot be the reson why we fired RR...
And Rex Ryan's brother...but I've never heard of Tom Dungy...where's he coach?
Tom's brother Tony might be better.
Tom Dungy. How could I forget?
Do these guys also know Tom?
hahaha I remember that thread!
If you want to win, you gotta let him spin...
I wish I had the power to pos bang you right now.
excellent memory. Hilarious.
1. Pelini
2. Pelini - if at first you don't succeed . . .
3. Hoke
4. Cam Cameron
5. Trgovac
6. Miles
just saying. Not one real candidate on your entire list.
I wouldn't argue, but some might argue that Hoke and Miles are real candidates.
1) Patterson
2) Anyone not named Miles or Hoke. (Malzahn, Petersen, Venables are some of the names I'd put in this area)
3) Ugh, Miles
4) Denard
5) Hoke
How can you have Denard on your list and put him below Miles. If I were to include M players current, I would go:
1. Denard
2. Denard's dreads
3. Denard's smile
4. Denard's untied shoelaces
5. Molk
6. Barwis (still on staff)
7. Taylor Lewan's tattoo
Hope to avoid splitting his focus although Heisman-winning QB and head coach would be mighty impressive...
Steps to success.
1)Promote Barwis to HC
2)Find him some real live wolverines to complement his wolves as mascots
1. Patterson
2. Whittingham
3. Throw 4 million a year at Gus Malzahn.
I think Malzahn is a name more people should be talking about.
that Malzahn would run into the same situation Rodriguez came into.
TCU played really well and I think the transition/coaching up of the current group would go more smoothly than other mentioned candidates.
After that, who knows?
1. Harbaugh (one or both)
2. Gruden
3. Patterson
4. Miles
5. Space Ghost
6. An unpaid parking ticket
7. Brady Hoke
We know he could recruit coast to coast...
I probably should have put him ahead of Miles. Wasn't thinking.
Out of the dorms...
Don't forget George Noory then...
But I'd put Charlie Strong, then Brady Hoke, then Miles, who noses out Space Ghost only because of the latter's reputed shoe fetish.
Seriously, I really think Miles would be a disastrous hire. And it's never going to happen. I think John Harbaugh is more realistic than Miles.
I don't consider Harbaugh, Gruden, Meyer, or Stoops reasonable.
1. Patterson
2. Miles
3. Peterson.
98. LLoyd Carr
99. Brady Hoke.
Gus Malzahn. Why isn't he being talked up more? His system would best utilize the offensive personnel they have now. Just puttin' it out there....
1. Harbaugh
2. John Harbaugh
3. Belichick
4. Ditka - dude would be a great recruiter
Or mini-Ditka?
Hurricane Ditka?
I'd be semi-serious about Singletary, though. He failed at the pros for being too much of a college coach. He's not in the discussion here, but I could see Illinois going after him next year, after they fire Zook.
1) Patterson
2) Gruden
3) ...Petersen?
4.) Disappointment : (
1.) Harbaugh
2.) TCU's Coach
3.) Peterson
4.) Gruden
And if all else fails Vince Lombardi would be nice
1. Patterson
2. Patterson
3. Patterson
4. Stoops
5. Gruden
6. Patterson
Can you use first initials so we know which Patterson you're talking about?


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Three Ukraine Troops Captured in East; Protesters Seize TV Station
Soldiers Were From Alpha 'Anti-Terrorism' Unit
Three members of Ukraine's special forces have been captured in the eastern city of Horlivka today. Members of the Alpha 'anti-terrorism' unit, they were sent to capture the head of the Horlivka Self-Defense Force.
Instead, they got captured by the very force whose leader they were supposed to be capturing. Horlivka SDF leader Igor Bezier is charged with killing local MP Vladimir Rybak. The three captured soldiers were transferred to Slovyansk, a nearby protester-held city.
The capture of the Alpha troops spread concern across the protester-held region that there may be additional infiltrations by the Ukrainian military, which has been order by the interim government to "liquidate" the protesters.
The protesters continue to secure territory across two provinces along the Russian border, the Luhansk Province and the Donetsk Province. Today, protesters forced their way into the state TV station in Donetsk and captured the building. They say that they intend to stop the rebroadcast of Ukrainian state media and replace it with a Russian-language station more friendly to their movement.
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Horvika Self-Defence Force? Doesn't sound much like peaceful citizens making a legitimate protest! And the more the thing turns into a Crimea-style land grab, the more Putin is discredited. He claims he can't even control these people! Not much of a President!
Thus spoke Blowhard
Thus spoke Blowhard.
Cold War is over, limpdick. Crimea voted for accession to Russia, there was much impromptu celebration…ah the other posters are right, I'm just wasting my time here.
Don't forget that Yanukovych was elected by a majority of Ukrainians over Timoshenko in the last election. These are the regions and the people who voted for Yanukovych and were the majority in the last election.
We saw in this country for instance how people felt when Bush was appointed President over the choice of the majority in Al Gore. Would any sane person tried to say that the protests that erupted later, and required a riot police attack to clear the inaguration route (not shown on TV) were somehow all just due to foreign ajitators from Russia trying to stir up trouble? No, of course not.
These people are the majority who just had their democratically elected President overthrown by Ms. ^#$^ the EU Nuland and $5 billion of our taxpayer dollars. And it doesn't matter how much Goebbels-like propaganda you want to spew out, People aren't being fooled. The polls show what, about 70% saying America shouldn't be involved.
Once upon a time, patriotic Americans believed that a government was only legitimate if it had the just consent of the governed. And that people had a fundamental right to chose and erect the form of government that they felt best to effect their safety and happiness. Its sad to see that America today denies and attacks the very fundamental principals upon which this country was founded.
The "land grab" was done by US/NATO in February of this year by mobilising fascists and Neo Nazi thugs of the Svoboda party tho overthrow a legitimately elected government. The previous responder is Belphegor is better informed. The Crimea secession was a peaceful affair, not a shot fired and thousands of jubilant flag waving people. Compare that with the Maiden coup d'état. For YouTube records visit Contraviews. http://www.contraviewing.blogspot.com


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Friday December 9, 2011Florida Volleyball Sweeps Michigan to Reach First Elite Eight Since 2005
Gainesville, Fla.
Behind senior right-side hitter/setter Kelly Murphys (Wilmington, Ill.) triple-double, the No. 17 and unseeded Florida volleyball team swept its way into the Elite Eight, defeating Michigan in three sets (25-21, 25-13, 27-25) to reach the NCAA regional final for the first time since 2005 and the 12th time in Florida history.
I was told .439 is the highest any Florida team has hit at this round of the NCAA Tournament, Florida head coach Mary Wise said. Weve said we thought our team was playing its very best well, no Gator team has had an offense at that level.
Murphy registered a match-high 17 kills on 29 swings for a .517 hitting clip, adding 21 assists and 10 digs for her 29th career triple-double and 75th career double-double. Senior outside hitter Kristy Jaeckel (Littleton, Colo.) tallied 14 kills, eight digs and four blocks for 18.0 points against the Wolverines.
Both Kristy (Jaeckel) and Kelly (Murphy) continue to be in the zone, Wise said. Its like the game is moving in slow motion for them in terms of their hitting choices, and then add a triple-double for Kelly. I thought we handled their tough serves very well. If that match had gone any longer, Alex Hunt might have had 50 kills. That is one special player. I think we were very fortunate to win in three and that worked just fine for us.
The Gator middles had stellar performances for Florida, as Chloe Mann (Gainesville, Fla.) and Betsy Smith (Atlanta, Ga.) combined for an errorless 15 kills on 25 attacks (.600). Redshirt freshman libero Taylor Unroe (Muncie, Ind.) was solid in back row, notching 12 digs and tallying a career-high six assists. A bright spot for the Gators was the play of sophomore setter Chanel Brown (Tempe, Ariz.), who dished out a team-high 23 assists on the evening.
The Gators and Wolverines went back-and-forth for the first several points of the first frame until Murphy fired into the Michigan defense, giving Florida its first two-point lead, 4-2. A Michigan service ace tied the set at 13-13, but Mann broke the seam of the block to keep the Gators in the lead, 14-13. After a Florida 3-0 run, the Wolverines called a timeout, but Unroe kept the drive alive with a service ace extending the Gator lead to 18-14. Jaeckel smashed a set from Brown into Wolverine territory that sparked a 3-0 run, giving Florida a 22-16 advantage. A Wolverine attack ignited a 3-0 drive that forced the Orange and Blue into a timeout at 23-20. Ferrell hit around a block to put the Gators one point from the set win, 24-20, and a Michigan attacking error gave Florida the frame, 25-21.
Michigan took a strong 3-0 lead to start the second stanza, but Jaeckel fired a bullet into the Wolverine defense that drove the Gators on a 3-0 run to tie the frame at 4-4. Murphy hit around the block to tie the score and drive the Orange and Blue on a 5-0 run with Jaeckel behind the service line, taking a 9-5 advantage. Florida continued to extend the lead, not allowing the Wolverines any chance to take it back, and Florida completely shut the door when Jaeckel unleashed an attack down the line that sparked an 8-0 run with Unroe behind the service line. Brown dished a perfect set to Murphy to put Florida one point from the set win, and Murphy attacked an overpass courtesy of a Jaeckel bullet to give the Gators a 25-13 victory and a 2-0 advantage going into intermission.
The Gators and Wolverines kept the third set close, tying three times until Michigan went on a 4-0 run that forced Florida into an early timeout as Michigan took a 7-3 lead. The Orange and Blue continued to trail Michigan, but slowly gained ground on the Wolverines. A Murphy bullet tied the set at 12-12, and again at 13-13, but the Gators still could not find a way to take the lead. However, a Michigan attacking error tied the set again at 18 apiece, and Jaeckel powered one through the UM block to give Florida a 19-18 lead and force the Wolverines into a timeout. Michigan and Florida battled, tying the score at 22, 23, 24 and 25, but the Orange and Blue ultimately took the 27-25 win on a Jaeckel kill.
Florida now faces No. 3 seed Illinois for a trip to San Antonio and a spot in the Final Four, what would be the Gators first trip to the Final Four since their National Championship final appearance in 2003. The Gators and the Fighting Illini will face off at 7 p.m. ET on ESPNU with Sam Gore and former Georgia All-SEC hitter Maria Taylor with commentary. Longtime play-by-play announcer Tom Collett and former Gator All-SEC setter Missy Whittemore will call the action live for Gator fans on Sportsradio 850.
(Confidence) is something weve had to work for, and being able to free ourselves up to play the way that we have been over the tournament has been a battle that we struggled with over the entire year, Jaeckel said. I think that weve finally found our stride and are confident in ourselves. If we continue to carry that confidence into tomorrow, it will help us sustain the level of play that weve had. I think were playing as confident as we ever have.
Match Stat Leaders
· Kills: Kelly Murphy (17)
· Attacks: Kelly Murphy (29)
· Hitting Percentage: Betsy Smith (.700)
· Assists: Chanel Brown (23)
· Digs: Taylor Unroe (12)
· Service Aces: Kristy Jaeckel/Taylor Unroe (1)
· Block Solo: Kristy Jaeckel (2)
· Block Assists: Betsy Smith (4)
· Total Blocks: Jaeckel/Smith (4)
NCAA Notables
· Tonights win earns the Gators their first bid to the NCAA Regional Finals since 2005
· The victory marks Floridas 13th Regional Semifinal victory in program history
· The Gators hit .439 in the match, which is UFs fifth-best hitting percentage in the NCAA Tournament and their highest ever past the first round
o UFs previous high in the NCAA Regionals was .368 in the 2002 Regional Finals against Washington State
Another Triple for Murphy
· Kelly Murphy recorded her 29th career triple-double this evening, with 17 kills, 21 assists and 10 digs
· This is Murphys third triple-double in the NCAA Tournament, as she achieved the feat against Missouri last weekend and against Florida State in the 2010 NCAA Second Round
Individual Bests
· Kelly Murphy recorded a season-high 17 kills in the match, leading both teams on the night
· Betsy Smith earned a career-high five digs in the match
o Smith has set a new career high in each of the past three matches (3 vs. Missouri, 4 vs. UNI)
· Taylor Unroe recorded a career-high six assists against the Wolverines
Gators in the Record Books
· Kelly Murphy played her 443rd career set tonight, moving her into ninth all-time at UF in career sets played
· Additionally, Murphy moved past Kisya Killingsworth 07 into 12th place all-time at UF in career attacks, with a total of 2,690.
· Murphys 10 digs in the match increase her career total to 942, moving her into a tie with Heidi Anderson 92 for 15th all-time.
Milestones Met
· Kristy Jaeckel earned her 1,300th career kill in the first set, and now sits in seventh all-time with 1,312 kills
Record Updates
· The Gators are now 815-174 (.824) all-time
· Mary Wise is 740-137 (.844) in her career and 659-74 (.899) at Florida
· The Orange and Blue are 56-21 (.727) in the NCAA Tournament, and 44-5 (.898) when hosting
· Florida is 13-7 (.650) in the Regional Semifinals
· The Gators are now 4-0 (1.000) against Michigan
· UF is 399-56 (.877) at home, 340-21 (.942) with Coach Wise on the sideline
· Florida is 651-72 (.900) while ranked and 108-84 (.563) vs. ranked opponents
· The Wolverines bested their performance from last season (First Round), but their season ends in the Regional Semifinals for the third time in five years
· Michigan had only advanced to the Regional Finals once, in 2009, and has never been to the Final Four
Michigan Individual Notes
· Alex Hunt led the Wolverine offense with 13 kills on the night
· Lexi Dannemiller was tops in the match with 32 assists, missing a double-double by a dig, notching nine
· Sloane Donhoff led the defense with 11 digs, while adding three assists and Michigans only ace
Florida Head Coach Mary Wise
Opening Statement
I was told .439 is the highest any Florida team has hit at this round of the NCAA Tournament. Weve said we thought our team was playing its very best well, no Gator team has had an offense at that level. Both Kristy (Jaeckel) and Kelly (Murphy) continue to be in the zone. Its like the game is moving in slow motion for them in terms of their hitting choices, and then add a triple-double for Kelly. I thought we handled their tough serves very well. If that match had gone any longer, Alex Hunt might have had 50 kills. That is one special player. I think we were very fortunate to win in three and that worked just fine for us.
On the challenge of facing Illinois Saturday:
They are a very, very good team. Thats why they were a No. 1 seed (in the Gainesville Regional). The combination of big time point scorers and the front row and elite players in the back row, the margin of error just gets smaller and smaller. They dont have a lot of cracks in their system, and thats why I think that theyve been so good for so long.
On tonights level of play:
I would tell you it wasnt just tonight. This is how theyve been the past few weeks. When they dont get a kill, it just doesnt faze them. Right now they have shooters mentality, like a basketball player thinking every ball is going to go up and go in, they think ever swing is going to be a kill.
Florida Senior S/RS Kelly Murphy
On toughness of third set:
I thought they just played harder that set, there werent any adjustments. They knew that was it. Its hard to stop when you have teams playing that hard, but I think we did a good job of responding and just fighting back.
On advancing the farthest the Gators have in the seniors career at Florida:
It feels really good. When we started this senior year, we knew what it felt like to reach the Sweet 16. Just to get one match closer is a feeling of relief, but we know its not over and we still have one match to play tomorrow. We hope to still be playing again next weekend.
Florida Senior OH Kristy Jaeckel
On her four blocks against the Wolverines:
I think watching video, the theme from last week was people trying to attack us on the slide back there. Michigan has a really good slide offense, and its something we definitely worked on this week in practice and it paid off.
On each player of the team stepping up:
It was a back and forth battle for these three sets. Credit to the setters for just finding the open player and making a great set and great choice that allowed the hitters to have more opportunities and more shots to get more kills. Our passing against their great serving, and our setting choices opened up and gave us lots of opportunities for people to get kills.
On improvement since the NCAA First and Second Rounds in Iowa:
I think that we just focused on winning mini games to five, coming out and being the aggressor and not waiting until we felt like we were comfortable to figure it out.
On the teams confidence level:
Its something weve had to work for, and being able to free ourselves up to play the way that we have been over the tournament has been a battle that we struggled with over the entire year. I think that weve finally found our stride and are confident in ourselves. If we continue to carry that confidence into tomorrow, it will help us sustain the level of play that weve had. I think were playing as confident as we ever have.
Michigan Head Coach Mark Rosen
Opening Statement
I thought Florida did a great job tonight. They played really well, especially in the first two sets. They played really clean and tried to attack us and kept us on our heels a little bit. Im really proud of how our team fought back coming out of the break into game three. Its synonymous with our season. This team has been fighting all year, fighting through adversity. I was really impressed with how they came back in the third set, and credit to Florida for weathering that, but Im proud of how our team played. Im proud of our season.
On adjustments after break:
I dont think that we made any adjustments other than that we played a little better. They were very good at getting kills. They did a great job at getting first-ball kills. In transition, they were even better. Every time they dug a ball, they would turn it into a kill. We knew we had to somehow slow that down. We also had to get some first-ball kills as well. I thought we did a better job of executing. Alex (Hunt) did a great job of getting hot in the third game. We really needed that. Defensively, I thought we did a little better job of serving and allowing our defense to get engaged a little bit more. We really just tried to slow them down. Whether its their offense or our defense or a combination of both, I thought they played very clean tonight.
On Alex Hunt:
Alex has been huge from her freshman year when she broke into our lineup. We recruited her as a right-side hitter and had no intention of playing her on the left side, and about a third of the way through her freshman year, we tried her on the left and she never left. Shes had a great career. In this last month, she has been really good, and thats when we needed her to be that way. You love it when you see your team step up and carry the load when we really need them to.
On going against Floridas Kelly Murphy and Kristy Jaeckel:
We knew coming in they were going to be good. Theyre two great, very talented players, and I dont think we had a very good answer for them.
On how the current Michigan team stacks up to the rest:
This is a very different team than Ive ever had here. I dont think Ive had a team that has fought this hard and tried so hard to create something out of the season. It didnt come easy. Ill remember how hard this team fought. As coaches, we challenge them a lot to look at the way we were playing physically, but in the intangible category, we werent approaching it very well either. Ill be proud of this team for the way they fought through that. Its something thats very special. I think a lot of teams would have just given up, and this team didnt.
Michigan Senior L Sloane Donhoff
On her final game at Michigan and what the program has meant:
Its a great honor to wear the Block M. Michigan has so much tradition. Its a great group of girls, and as captain, Im so proud to be the leader of every single person on our team, especially this year. It definitely has not been the easiest year, but we responded to all of those games. We came in to the NCAA Tournament with nothing to lose, and I couldnt be more proud to say that I was a part of that team. It was a great run.
Michigan Senior OH Alex Hunt
On her career as a Wolverine:
Im proud as well, especially this year, fighting through all the obstacles and battling ourselves. Coming back and making it into the Sweet 16 where nobody thought that we would even make it that far, or make it into the NCAA Tournament. Im really proud of everything we did this season.
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Education Managment will consolidate and redeploy about 200 jobs across EDMC Online Higher Education in Phoenix, "resulting in a net reduction of approximately 75-100 employees," said spokeswoman Jacquelyn Muller.
In January, the company announced the layoffs of 330 workers in Arizona and 70 in the Strip District.
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Education Management faces a lawsuit in federal court contending that it bilked the government out of more than $11 billion in student grants and loans since 2003. The Justice Department accuses EDMC of violating a ban on paying college recruiters according to the number of students they recruit.
The company's stock closed Monday at $4.87 a share. That's down 82.6 percent over the past year. McCaffrey declined to comment on the decline.
Next to the Apollo Group, which owns the University of Phoenix, EDMC is the second largest for-profit educator of students in higher education. Its 25,000 teachers and staff serve 130,000 students.
Revenue for the third quarter of fiscal 2012 increased to $682 million, while profit dropped to $26.9 million from $34.6 million during the same period last year.
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