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Honda in Japan isn't satisfied with the brand's performance in Australia, particularly relative to Mazda. We are one of few markets worldwide where Honda is outsold by its fellow Japanese rival, and by a staggering margin – last year, 88,000 Mazdas were sold here, almost 58,000 units ahead.
"Honda [HQ] are unhappy that we are outsold by Mazda," admitted Honda Australia's principal advisor, Lindsay Smalley, who promises growth and expansion for the brand in Australia next year.
"If you look at Mazda almost anywhere in the world, they're down. Except here. The position here … they [Honda HQ] find difficult to accept."
He wants to see the brand become the "pre-eminent importer" in this country.
The sales growth starts with the Honda Civic range in 2012/13. The Thai-built sedan and UK-built hatch are currently retailing at $21,990 driveaway, and Smalley expects sales of the pair to notch up "at least" 1400 units per month. Last year the Civic nameplate averaged just 542 units per month.
Speaking at the launch of the new-generation Honda CR-V, Smalley told of how the Thailand floods meant production of CR-V, in particular, was cut off until the middle of this year. "We had no CR-Vs until July," said Smalley, addressing comments that the compact SUV is down 39 per cent year-to-date.
Bolstered by a sub-$30K front-drive variant, Honda is out to attack the Mazda CX-5 with its fourth-generation CR-V. The official sales projection is 1000 units per month, however Smalley reckons this is a "very conservative" estimate.
Next year will see the launch of the new wide-body Accord. Although sales of the current generation are down 46 per cent year-to-date, its smaller Accord Euro sibling is up by around the same figure. Smalley cited the simple reason why: "We dropped prices on Euro to keep stock running through dealers. We wanted to keep as many staff as possible and the volumes up".
The Euro is built in Japan and was unaffected by the Thailand floods, which destroyed the Honda plants that built Accord, CR-V and Jazz. Only for the latter small car could Honda switch production to Japan until the Thailand factory came back on line.
Next year, the Jazz Hybrid will launch in the first quarter, with Civic and CR-V diesels, and the facelifted CR-Z, to follow in the second. Longer term, a new MDX (see breakout story), Accord Hybrid, Civic Type-R, Legend, and S2000-replacement are forecast.
If Honda had the Civic and CR-V performing to their latest forecasts last year, the two nameplates alone would have added nearly 17,000 units to the company's 30,107 total. That would have placed it marginally ahead of Volkswagen (44,740) and Subaru (34,011), but still behind Nissan (67,926) and Mitsubishi (61,108).
…….just have a good look at the photos above……that should tell you why they're not selling…….
You're dead right! Honda designers and product planners should be removed. We do not get the good engines! We do not get the Sports Coupes with those engines. Honda did their selling here on products such as CRX, Civic Coupe, Civic TypeR, Accord Coupe or (Hatch back earlier) Integra, Prelude as main stream aspirational products. None of which exist in this market any more. At least two still exist in the US and other markets with good engines.
Smalley should be removed if he doesn't get the good cars with the good engines here. But here is also an example of a car company exec. with blinders on. Euro up, Big Accord down – same as the rest of the market and he makes an excuse. just wait, that will be another big car failure.
Bottom line is there is nothing to draw people to Honda, their clean attractive designs are gone, the engines are gone. they have nothing they can direct people too after they've drooled over a coupe. To put it simply. Oh, and they are OVER priced
How can they sit there and be surprised by our markets reaction?
Look at the comments on this forum. Might give you an idea why my wifes car is a Hyundai and my current 4wd is a Toyota. Not interested in your current selection of cars. Not competitive at all. Mazda, Hyundai and Kia have smashed you to pieces by being innovative. No one wants to rev to 6000rpm through a 10+ year old (and ever so slightly tweaked) VTEC engine.
And here's some free advice for you – Australia is a sophisticated market and likely an indication of where the rest of the world is going. Be warned.
I couldn't agree with you more. We are sick of being
treated as a dumping ground for some car manufacturers, sending 2nd
rate vehicles. The AUD is high at the moment, and as such we expect to get
decent value and quality.
We are rated 6th in the world for car-ownership per
person, but because our volume isn't as high compared to USA etc we are not taken
This is why the game is changing for so many cars here, and
Mazda, Hyundai, Kia and the like understand that. Ford is completely lost and
Holden seems just as bewildered. What a
shame. I loved my Holdens, but after their Daewoo debacle cars I'm afraid they
are no longer the right Koreans for me…
Gotta agree there. KIA now has a German guy designing their stuff, and they look good.
Maybe Honda HQ should start developing some better product than Mazda…
Pricing is the main issue.
People will no longer pay a big premium for a Honda.
Like Sony compared to Panasonic ,Samsung etc.
That is a great analogy. Honda really is the Sony of the automotive world. They're still under the impression that their products are premium and charge as such.
Now Kia/Hyundai moved into their territory just as Samsung moved into Sony's. In several years, Kia/Hyundai will match their quality and if Honda still clings onto their pride, they'll be in deeper trouble just like Sony is now.
I would argue that Hyundai/Kia are almost matching them now in terms of reliability. Hell, if Honda has that much faith in their cars, give them a 5 year warranty or better to prove it.
Well there is a reason mazda is selling. look at the new CRV who the hell designed that thing?
The CRV above looks good and looks even better in person.
Mazda's are hardly a fashion statement.
you should go see an eye doctor, seriously, the new butt is horrible
And a primary school teacher. No need for an apostrophe when adding an 's' to indicate a plural.
I think that the CX-5 is quite ugly at some views..
Who designed the new CR-V? I'm guessing a team of balding, overweight Americans who love filling their cup holders up with bottles of full sugar Mexican coke.
LOL. Probably true.
Whilst Mazda were busily selling the RX8 and the 3 MPS, as well as their diverse range of diesel vehicles, Honda was twiddling their thumbs, wondering why sales were flagging.
Here's a hint, Honda. TYPE R.
I doubt the Type R will get Honda back on track, they need a whole new car line up, a whole new design language to shake things up.
Dear Honda,
Build something exciting.
Dear Honda,
When you build your whole 80's and 90's brand reputation based on multiple sporty desirable cars and F1 and then kill that and keep it buried for a decade, you do make it hard for people to find any reason to buy your stuff.
There is nothing at all in Hondas entire range that makes me want anything they build. Not one vehicle. Most brands have at least one car that makes you go "hey thats pretty cool".
Accord Euro the only good thing.
Did you not hear about the 2L turbo 225kw Type R?
Not in Australia!
NATO (no action talk ony)
let me guess, due in 2015 and will cost 50K ?
… and will only be sold in japan… and where it will be restricted to 150km/h, and require 102 octane fuel.
And 225kw is the number they smoke everytime they light one up.
Dear Honda,
Perhaps if you start aiming your products at younger generation and not just the pensioners, you might be able to increase sales.
Furthermore, stop making your civic in the UK and sack the designer. I used to lust for a civic type R but since it became the fat ar$e overpriced car, it has been replaced by the Mazda 3. And when Mazda refresh it next year, especially if it looks like the leaked image, you're gonna cry your eyes out.
Maybe Honda needs to listen to consumers…
Accord Euro Wagon would be a great start.
Mazda has 3 which has capured female market , it has (had) CX5 and CX7 and CX9 . Mazda 6 comes in diesel and wagon shapes as well as sedan and a hatch. BT50 is Ranger in disguise and also selling ok.
None of those have any meaningfull cometition from Honda .
surprisingly the Accord Euro Wagon is sold in New Zealand.
Check out the Honda NZ website for proof
Little good it does Honda NZ though – wagon sells at about a dozen a month (around a 10th of the CRV). Waayyy too expensive, and never see it advertised by Honda either…
What a nice vehicle, what won't these be imported to OZ !!
Well if their current range wasn't so crap then maybe they'd sell some cars! Honda's are NOTHING they used to be and while I admit Mazda's aren't either, Mazda's current range is far superior to Honda's current range. Mazda's actually have flair and they drive very well, unlike any current Honda. I know they won't but hope they read all of our comments.
There, I said it.
The Accord Euro still drives VERY well. That is about it though!
Accord Euro Wagon, Diesel engines, Type R… inject some excitement back into our local range!
Back about 10-15 years ago, I thought Honda was definitely the fun brand of the Japanese… but Mazda has really taken off with styling, performance and reliability here.
Honda these days is more an alternative to Toyota… which is a shame.
Unforunately even a poor alternative to Toyota as it lack the same brand values.
And now Toyota has the 86, a good honest-to-God no-frill sports car with great handling. It's critically acclaimed and a runaway commercial success.
What's Honda's alternative? The wasted opportunity CR-Z. If what Wheels magazine said is true about their handling, they could've made that model into a sporty lineup with N/A and turbo engine like the Veloster and be successful with it. Instead they turned it into an overpriced and underpowered hybrid sport wannabe.
Way back when 'Powered by Honda' F1 cars were sticking it up Ferrari, the 'H' badge had some cachet about it – especially with Halo cars like the NSX…..
Honda lost the plot somewhere.
Where is diesel Civic, Accord Euro and CRV? Prices….Civic Hybrid cost more than Camry Hybrid!
Dealers….they would not negotiate on price and I saw on the net same car 2 months later for $2000 less. Where is direct injection engines Kia got it and the list is long.
and I forgot we use to have Prelude and Integra!!
Those were really great cars.
The real problem is that Honda, which a decade or so ago looked to being the BMW of Asia, was sidetracked by the success on the American market, which had the effect of Autralia getting the "softer" US market products which were in the main almost terminally bland. Just be thankful that we were spared the Honda Cross Tourer and the Accura ZDX both of which whilst looking pretty awful in photos look even worse in the metal.
The best recent decision they have made is to price the Civic hatch at effectively the same price as the sedans, and for the future they need to expand the Accord Euro range to match the Mazda 6, using diesels and wagons, leaving the USA type Accord to battle the Camry.
They also need to sharpen up their hybrid range. They need hybrid Jazz, and the Insight needs to be upspecced to try to counter Prius.
And that's pretty much the problem in a nutshell.
What do you expect with a the half assed range they've had for the last 5 years. They still build a quality product with appeal to it but there hasn't been enough appeal to overcome the price and enough product to break a good percentage of the market.
Get Honda Ridgeline here
I bought the new Honda Civic VTI-L in April .. nothing special .. wont buy one again . Hyundai i40 looks the goods .. better value for money .. warranty .. full size spare .. things add up …
So, why did you buy it then?
I have always had a soft spot for Honda as I learnt to drive in a 1979 Civic – loved that car (brown 4 door). When I was a teen in the 80's I fell in love with the MY84/85 Civics and eventually saved enough to buy one. But the best Honda I ever owned was a 1979 Accord hatch.
Honda's were always the brand I desired – the CRX, Preludes and in the 90's the Type R's.
Fast forward to 2012 and time to buy a new small car for the bride – looking in the $20 – 25,000 zone – new Civics not long been released….. but it's a dud. To cut to the chase I ended up with a Focus, back in the day the (equivalent) Laser didn't come close to touching the Civic, not the case any more.
Honda need to get back to designing cars that are desirable in looks and feel (ignoring the Euro Accord). They have great engines but the interiors are no good, the designs are not well done: example the new Civic Hatch has a front that could double as a snow plough, and the new CRV's bum need to go to Jenny Craig.
Honda's used to be low, wide, sexy and had spacious airy interiors with dash boards that were modern and low.
if they go back to what they were good at they will be fine – and stop designing cars for the Yanks!
The new civic hatch is most certainly not a dud! You might not like the design, which is fair enough; everyone has their own ideas of what looks good. But, it's certainly stands out. A relative of mine purchased one recently and I would've lost count at the number of times somebody (family members and just random people at car parks, etc) have come up to have a look or made a comment on how cool the car looks.
In regards to the interiors, the civic hatch has one of the roomiest interiors in it's class. The magic seats are fantastic, boot size is huge, it can easily fit 5 adults; certainly not small. Also how much more modern a dash board do you want? digital speedo, colour display with all the information you could ever want…the list goes on.
Sedan is a dud…. hatch had not been released when we were looking.
I still stand by my opinion of the hatch design – the front end is awful, and the dash is gimmicky, was on the last model and still is.
It better be roomy considering the fat ar$e.
As for the dashboard, I never like the tiered design, specially when they're wasting the dashboard real estate with widely spaced chunky dials and but-tons. Totally unnecessary.
The hatch is decent effort and the pricing is sharp. Issues for me with the car are:
– No sat Nav
– No rear foot room
– Digital only speedo
– Runs only on 95 RON
– 5 speed auto
I don't mind the styling, it has a good boot and fuel economy is better than a petrol i30. I also think the Honda is better engineered and built and has better resale.
What it highlights is the Thialand is producing cars for Nth America that grate with Oz tastes, the hatch is cool the sedan is daggy.
If Honda sold more than one SUV, they would be in a better position.
You need to read the Car Advice headlines. Front wheel drive & diesel variants of the CRV to on the way, with MDX to return as well.
too little too late.
(and they will be overpriced no doubt.)
Dear Honda,
Please realise that turbo charging something is NOT a sin. give us some low pressure turbo fuel efficient engines. Your engineering used to be second to none with VTEC etc and you have since let EVERY other manufacturer surpass your engineers.
If Toyota can create a fun RWD car that changed its image overnight why cant you do the same but with a direct injection VTEC motor in it that would kill the competition. You have history and pedigree and yet you choose to ignore it.
Become, once again the Brand to desire and Aspire not the brand to Retire into. Even the older folks will only buy your products once as it doesnt make them feel alive. It just makes them feel depressed that their grandkids hate getting into their cars to go for a drive.
Imagine (hopefully this part of the brain isnt dead) a 70 year old shows his Grandson his new Civic Hatch in 'Groovy' Green only to be asked in child innocence why he bought a Chinese car and he doesnt want to be dropped off at the school gates anymore by him because it is ugly. I know I wouldnt be happy if i was him.
BTW I remember a magazine article talking about the first Bangle designed BMW's and saying that the future of BMW will be great styling.
This was not due to Chris Bangle but due to the the fact the Guys designing the alloys tended to be the next car designers and they looked absoloutly horn at the time.
If this is the case, Honda, you are SCREWED.
1980's Alloys deserve to stay there.
Unfortunately for us and our small market we will always end up with cars designed for the US or Europe. While many seem to sprout how they prefer handling etc. and European feel, as against 'spongy' or bland US styled and inspired models, the sales success of bland/boring /spongy vehicles such as [insert Toyota model here] seems to say otherwise. Many European models initially with diesels etc. were unavailable with automatics which again dominate the Australian sales charts. Our market will get what it is given. Frankly we are a drop in a bucket in sales terms compared to US and European markets. Some brands modify suspension for 'Australian conditions', but aside from that how can we expect vehicle Manufacturers to make cars that online bloggers and commenters and motoring scribes SAY they want to buy, when the sales charts in Aus seem o suggest that bland and boring is just fine thanks? (Toyota)
Honda turned from sporty, exciting brand into boiled potato manufacturer.. How they can possibly be surprised by low sales if they don't care about customers needs and desires…?
Exactly this!
Honda thought it will be the leader of green technology when it comes to cars
and we all got are bland and boring Civics, Jazz and CRVs. Look where they are
right now, Toyota and Mazda are so far ahead of them even the crappy Nissan
brand is doing much better.
Honda needs to go back to its sports car roots.
The pathetic TV advertisements are not helping either.
That geeky noddy voice telling us that honda's are clever.
Sounds like a cross between Thomas the tank engine and postman pat.
So they are basically trying to appeal to looser middle aged men who
still live with their parents. No one wants to be clever or if they do they
will have a prius.
People want excitement and fun. Passion !!
LOL yeah
… What's next
Honda have recently changed marketing agencies to reposition their marketing activities due to the poor outcomes of their informational ads. It's unfortunately true that Australian's would rather see a car driving along some windy roads in a cool colour and with a popular song playing, then actually learn about the tech that's in their cars.
And no, i'm not a loser-middle aged man who still lives at home. I'm a 22 year old Marketing student.
irrespective of the manifestation of the repositional activites ergo the consideration of the outcomes of the informational positionioning of the advertising in relation to is impact on the proleteriat who expend energy at places of emply to gain currency which is directed at procuring automobiles…. blah blah blah
… the adds were awful.
and idiotic
when you eventually learn marketing, you will realise that advertising is designed to make a product desirable so people buy it. If a song and a windy road works then maybe the old honda adds were too "clever" for their own good
Hah, you're rude. I understand marketing; advertising has different objectives depending on the product/brand/company it's trying to promote. In the end, yes, it's underlying intent is to stimulate interest and purchase, but certain brands want to/need to educate their customers about their products. This can be very effective in certain markets; i.e. health care products etc.
The point I was trying to make before you responded to with utter garbage and primary-school knowledge of Marketing is that, Unfortunately for Honda, running ad's that were intended to educate consumers about certain technological features of their vehicle didn't really work, because it doesn't suit the Australian market.
For example, the fact that Australian's buy Hyundai's in droves says a lot for the level of intelligence that marketers must deal with.
Not a matter of suiting the market, what exactly was Honda trying to educate its customers about?
– That it had a 5 speed auto (wow) which changes gears on inclines? amazing!
– That it had an inferior hybrid system to toyota?
– That this was somehow a reason to consider it over it's competitors?
Honda methodically killed most positives which people associated with the brand (sportyness and advanced technology derived from F1). and tried to re-brand itself as a "clever" company making "clever" vehicles. Now 10 years later no one knows what its brand is about and it is forced to discount.
Re Hyundai, they KEPT its positives (cheap and cheerful pricing) but set about addressing their weaknesses (quality, styling, warranty, technological leadership, mainstream appeal).
Sales numbers suggest that Hyundai has been quite successful in doing this, to the point where it now is charging as much as other asian manufacturers.
Of course it's a matter of suiting the market. The plain truth is, the general market of Australian new-car buying customers just don't care about technical features such as how the transmission works, how ivtec works etc. Advertising is so much about suiting the market! These ad's didn't suit the Australian market, so they weren't successful. People didn't care about what they were being told, perhaps because they couldn't understand it, or because these features had no relevance to their lives.
Just to further clarify, I AGREE THE ADS WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL, but saying that advertising isn't a matter of suiting the market is just stupid.
Regarding your comments on the ads, though. The ad you're referring to about the 5 speed auto that changes gears on inclines, actually makes no mention of the fact that it's 5 speed nor does it indicate that it's a transmission that changes gears on inclines. Even the most uneducated vehicle consumer knows an automatic vehicle changes gears on inclines. Instead, the ad was highlighting their technology called 'grade-logic control' (yes, i'm aware most of not all automatic cars would employ a similar technology in their transmission). Now the bit of information the ad looked to provide was that, for driving up or down inclines/hills, the intelligent sensor in the Honda vehicle would adjust the gear accordingly to provide a smooth ride up or down. This was 'dumbed down', shall we say, so the average consumer could understand. Now the slightly more vehicle-knowledgable consumer may also be able to identify that this in turn means less instances of gear hunting (which many modern automatics are still susceptible to) when travelling up or down hills. Might I just add, in the laters iteration of the Honda 5 Speed automatic (say, civic hatch) the transmission does a VERY impressive job of avoiding gear-hunting and provides a very smooth ride.
Now that's just one example, and whilst I think this particular ad was successful in providing this basic information; this just doesn't matter enough to consumers. I.e. they weren't likely to go out and buy a Honda because of this feature.
And regarding Hyundai; yes, I see their success, and i've noticed some pretty decent advertising focusing on building certain brand elements such as reliability, quality, technology etc. However you've just contradicted yourself, because Hyundai has most definitely moved away from their cheap and cheerful positioning of the early 2000's (i.e. say hi to hyundai) Hyundai moved away from their original positioning, and this worked for them. Honda has done the same (mainly due to the lack of performance vehicles, no F1 etc) and it unfortunately hasn't worked. Doesn't mean they aren't good cars.
I'd argue that almost any products success can be very heavily attributed to marketing, and so this is just as true for companies like Hyundai which have been able to successfully reinforce these positive brand elements. Again, I think Honda has had very average advertisements over the past few years, especially in comparison to the 'impossible dream' ads which aired some years ago, or 'the cog' for the first gen Euro. But going back to my very first comment, with a new agency hopefully they can more clearly position themselves and focus on their positive brand elements. Honda are still a great company, they've just been marketed poorly in Australia.
the tech like the 'special cam widget' lol. if they had have called it a 'Racing Mode Timing Actuator' or something like that, and got someone apart from james valantine to announce it. then maybe the tech angle may work.
The problem here is peoples perception of Honda. Those who were once
loyal to the brand and who appreciated their innovation and racing
heritage seem dissatisfied with their current direction. I'll completely
agree that the Honda of the 90's- early 2000's was incredibly exciting
and innovative, but if you look at things differently now, you could see
that they still are.
Hybrid tech, electric vehicles, robotics,
jets; Honda are innovating in different areas than they once were. In
the 90's they created insanely good VTEC engines (which numerous
manufacturers now use today) and in the 2000's they are focusing on
greener and more futuristic technologies. In Australia this change in
position hasn't been positive for them, but they still enjoy the same
ridiculous success in the USA they always have.
Who's to say in 5-10 years time we won't look back on the Honda of the 90's and say "hey, Honda's hydrogen fuel-cell technologies, robotics and aircraft innovations etc have really influenced this market today".
I really like Honda, as it probably evident from what i've just written. I do get disappointing by their lack of sports car offerings, but i'm happy to see a renewed focus towards the NSX, TypeR and S2000. I can also see that Honda are still a great company, doing great things for the world and making safe and reliable vehicles which, in my opinion, still look pretty cool.
As for Mazda, their success in Australia quite simply can't be explained. To me, their designs are either boring and bland, or completely over done. I'm so sick of seeing the Mazda 3 on the road; it's become the new commodore. Their engines are average, interiors very average. They just feel like cheap-japanese to me. Mazda are basically failing in EVERY other overseas market except Australia; which means they don't actually make great cars (or else, they'd be selling well elsewhere) but rather, they have been able to successfully market to certain segments to capture sales. Marketing is undoubtedly the key to their success.
I agree to what your saying here, the article states Australia has the problem with the cars Honda produce everywhere else in the world seems to be doing well. Honda Japan would be more better off to stop selling cars in Australia instead of building a range of cars that is more to the Australian public's desires.
I would say the only change in tune for Honda Australia is really just their marketing of their products, even then i'm pretty skeptical that it will vastly improve anything at all.
No…Price is the key reason for Mazda success i.e. sales volume.Same as Toyota.The market does not perceive much difference between well known brands but is still a bit wary of less established brands such as Hyundai ,Kia etc.Little to do with the quality of ads and vehicles Simply volume is achieved because Mazda and Toyota do the best deals.
Honda still thinks its the best but the market doesn't care what they think and see little difference to a Toyota or Mazda.The market may not understand the tech but it sure understands the price.Honda just has not woken up and is not prepared to sacrifice margin so they should stop whinging.
Mazda do the best deals? They discount no where near as much as Toyota, Ford, Holden, Nissan, Hyundai etc etc etc.
Mazda well priced? Eh, no. For pricing to have a significant influence on sales volumes they'd need to be priced significantly below the competitor which they're clearly not.
Sales sucess is all about the quality of marketing; which includes ads, pricing, product delivery etc. Sales aren't achieved simply because they do the best deals, but because they're marketed well.
Firstly I said pricing for Mazda AND Toyota were keyForget advertised price.Walk into a Toyota dealer and Mazda dealer and compare the preparedness to bargain versus Honda.I just have and the discounts were very major for Mazda and Toyota and Honda were pathetic by comparison."Vroom Vroom" and "oh what a feeling" meant diddly squat to me and I expect to most serious buyers.Marketing people always believe in their own bull$hit.
Haha, again you're missing the big picture.
Firstly, marketing is NOT just advertising and promotion. It involves everything from the packaging (i.e. features etc) of the product itself, to the way it's delivered, how it's advertised, how it's sold….everything.
Now as far as bargaining for a price discount on a vehicle….that's NOT the Toyota, Mazda or Honda brand's setting that precedent. Legally they have no control over what their dealers sell their products for, after they've supplied said vehicle at the wholesale price. So the most logical reason for you not being about to get a 'bargain' from the Honda dealer/s you visited, is that the dealer themselves; who is a completely independent entity from Honda Australia Pty Ltd, didn't want to discount. A dealer is a business themselves, they have a license to sell a particular brand/s of vehicles and can do so however they wish.
Now in the case of price promotions set by Honda, for example at the moment with their end of year clearance, that is advertised/promotional pricing set by Honda themselves, and for which they would have to provide compensate dealers for reduced margins on their vehicles. There are actually some really decent discounts at the moment, for example Honda Civic hatch $21490 drive away normally $24990. But again, this is completely separate to the 'price bargaining' you were speaking of.
Actually Honda does control the maximum retail price. Like any supplier of goods. Under your hypotheses all prices would be different every where across the country and in fact from dealer to dealer.
What it comes down to is margin. To get a lower price when negotiating, the sales man, will either have a large margin to play with, or be willing to sacrifice commission.
Often dealers who consider their product doesn't sit with other competitors (meaning better – snob factor) will refuse to bargain believing that some one will come in and pay the set price. That it's only a matter of time.
These days that's a sure fire way to reduce sales and close a business.
To deal with your points in response to mine.
Definition of marketing- irrelevant-
Toyota,Honda Mazda set the prices, the dealers have lattude and often get "factory rebates" as you even point out.So if Mazda and Toyota give bigger rebates the dealers have more room to negotiate on price than does Honda and that is a big plus no matter how good the competition is at marketing.
Dealers are bound by their contract with the factory they cannot do whatever they wish.Where do you get this garbage from.You obviously have no knowledge of how the car industry works.
I suggest you spend some time in the real world.
Sorry, yes. I should have been specific. I understand that the dealers contract with Honda has a set price maximum/price guide. What I was trying to get across was that the dealer can discount as much or as little as they want. That's the point I was making.
As far as the rebates go, you're just making assumptions. Perhaps Toyota and Mazda provide their dealers with rebates more often, perhaps they don't. It could also be that, considering they have higher sales volume/turnover, the dealers are willing to make less on each car because they sell so many. For someone like a Honda dealer, who's been struggling with stock shortages, waiting for new models etc, they don't have the same sales volume as Toyota/Mazda and so aren't willing to loose as much of their margin.
I have an 'outside' view of how the car industry works only from my experience in dealing with them and also a little research. But what I do understand very well is business, and the Australian system regarding business licenses/franchises etc.
Also, "I suggest you spend some time in the real world" – no need to be petty and rude, I wasn't.
I am rude?…what a hypocrite… you commenced your barrage of arrogance with" Haha again you are missing the point"Hardly respectful.
Never assume that people that contribute to these sites are as ill informed as you.
No assumptions being made on price rebates they are a fact.Price also includes finance deals.Look at the Nissan ad on this page zero interest and zero deposit.You think the dealer is doing this or the finance arm of Nissan?
I am also not making assumptions I have worked in the industry.
You are the one making assumptions and getting it wrong.
Your comments cannot be taken as credible.
The Mazda3 has been one of the best selling cars in Canada for quite a few years now. That is about it though!
Mazda's success is easily explained. Japanese cars will always be a safe choice for consumers given their value for money & reliability. Mazda has become popular & leapfrogged Honda by providing these 2 key offerings in combination with sporty looks kicked off in their Zoom Zoom campaign with the 1st gen 6 & 3 models whilst Honda, Toyota & Subaru churned out boring whitegoods for the past decade….
They need to to put engineers and "car guys" back into positions of influence within the company. At present it's run by shiny-bummed bean-counters who know less about cars than refrigerators.
Want a profitable small business? Give an accountant a profitable LARGE business and let him run it for a few years…
or atleast make mugen bodykits available as options for the current range……at a reasonable price that is.
Dear Honda
More power – in every single model – would be nice. 6 speed manual in the next Jazz, please. Cruise in the base Civic hatch would also be nice (not to mention expected in its class and price point and present in almost all of its peers).
Ditch VTEC on the smaller motors (in my opinion it just doesn't add enough to make it worthwhile). Look at turbocharging/direct injection.
Do almost ANYTHING but what you are currently doing.
The funny thing is, with Honda, Mazda, Nissan and the like all banging on about being the number one importer, is that in just a few short years all vehicles will be imported. Does anyone seriously believe that Toyota will keep manufacturing here after Ford and Holden stop? As for the 'intelligence' remark above referencing Hyundai. That can just as easily be applied to Toyota.
The implication being that all Toyota and Hyundai drivers are operating at a lower IQ? What brand should I buy to prove how smart I am?
A Smart?
Honda parts are expensive…anyone had a Honda before would know about it.
Had the prelude and the accord in the 90's , zero problems and ran them both to over 80,000 km in 4 years , so good that the dealers would replace little things like a heater dial switch or a door handle rubber at service time " sir there is a possibility the heater dial could fail so we replaced it " , they were setting a precedent for service .
They just missed the move to smaller turbo motors , should have jumped 10 years ago .
I liked their unique approach to using high revving engines. It was their signature like Mazda and their rotary (I'm pretty sure I can't say w4nkel just as I can't say but-ton, though I can say crappy censor).
Agreed certainly loved to rev , always sounded so rattly when cold but oh so smooth once warmed .
To everyone complaining about the looks of the CR-V you need to see it in person. At the Sydney show almost everyone that i saw sit in one or walk around one had only positive things to say. It is one of those cars that while not beautiful has a unique presence in person.
The Pontiac Aztec had a unique presence as well.
Walter White agrees.
It's proof that no market is the same. From an Australian perspective Honda is a company that has lost it's mojo.
I think the most complete and coherent car in their range is the Jazz.
Remember the first Euro Accord? S2000? Come on Honda.
Honda, whY have you stopped selling the monkey bike?
Honda's problem is this.
The volume selling segments in Australia are SUV's (particularly 7-seaters), 4×4 Dual Cab Ute's, Small & Light Cars (sub $25k) and Mid-Size sedans/wagons (sub $50k).
The CRV was always a compact soft-roader and can't compete with the Territory/Kluger/Captiva on space and engine options. These vehicles dominate sales. Perhaps the new (and bigger) CRV will help them. But Honda really needed to keep the CRV as the smaller soft-roader, and introduce something bigger that could act as the family vehicle. Honda's lack of investment in engines and drivetrains in this segment has also hurt them.
The CRV should be priced and compete with the CX5/i35/Dualis/Forrester. Honda has nothing to go against the Kluger/Territory/Captiva, whereas Mazda at least has the CX-9.Honda has no dual cab ute, Mazda has the Bravo/BT-50.Honda has an excellent light car (the Jazz), but look at some of the engine and drivetrain options in competitors like the Polo and Fiesta – diesels, small capacity turbocharged engines, dual clutch automatics. This essential engineering tech is missing from Honda's light car range.
Similar story in the small car class – the Civic is a good vehicle, but where is the diesel, the range of forced induction, fuel-efficient petrol engines, the transmission technology and features like self-parking on the Focus? For the price you pay for a Civic, you should be getting more tech at an engineering and features level. Mazda has a brilliant range of vehicles in the "3" series – petrol and diesel, luxury and budget and a performance "halo" car.The Accord Euro is a class-leader in the medium car segment. But competitors offer diesel engines, wagon bodies and performance variants. Honda has 2 models. That's it. The Mazda 6 at least has diesel and wagon options.Honda's are incredibly well built and very reliable.
But that's not enough anymore.
Their range is too narrow and they are over-priced for what they offer. The biggest glaring fault is a lack of engine/transmission choice in their vehicles.Until Honda start to compete with Volkswagen, Mazda and Ford in their range of engine and transmission offerings, their sales will lag badly.
look at your prices, Honda
Compared with Mazda which is built in Japan, while Honda are built in Thailand but more expensive, you have taken a lot of margin
Honda should just sell Mazdas in Australia. Seems like the simple solution.
I have a friend who has an (American style) Accord with Satnav. Upgrade the Satnav? Certainly Sir, that will be $700! His wife is just about to take delivery of a Hyundai I30 Elite ( not even top of the range) Upgrade the Satnav – free, it will automatically be upgraded each time it comes in for service. I always believed that Honda was trying to emulate BMW – well it got the arrogance right.
Current Gen civic im sorry is rubbish, styling looks like the old one that has had a stroke, too fussy and got rid of all the design cues that made the old one a smash.
Civic hatch but im sorry honda you havent made a decent appeal to the masses hatch since the EG/EK civi of the 90s. The new on at the front it again stroke related and no cruise control on the base model is as usefull as a beachball in a hurricane.
No more stroke designing car that resemble stroke victims. A. Its not nice and B. Theyre not selling.
As for the legend and the S2000 two cars that can not be stuffed up. I love the origional of the last shape legend, very smooth, slick and bloody sexy thing it was and the S2000 was fun.
As for the rest you have no one to blame but yourself. Mazda sell because of the one thing you see before anything else its styling and the cars happen to be very well equiped, reliable (which honda are not anymore), good value and genuine fun to drive (again honda your not)
Dear Honda,
Please build some cars that suit the rest of the markets such as Europe and Australia. Blind -foldedly building cars for the Americans and forcing other nations to accept their design language is unacceptable. That is the main reason why you failed.
When other companies have adopted the European designs, Honda, you, were just busying with pleasing the Americans and licking their coke. It is not hard to work out why Mazda and Hyundai is getting successful in down under.
If you are unable to see this now, you can have my waving hands. Bye-bye and see you never.
Kind Regards,
The U.S. market is a more important priority for just about every corporation than 'down under'
I can't help but agree with all these people taking a shot at Honda's blandness. They need to build something exciting, if not for the purpose of making a profit, but for building brand loyalty for the future.
A good example of this is the Toyota 86. If you own a Toyota sports car when you are young and have fond memories of it later in life when your needs change, are you going to rush out and buy a Mazda or Nissan for the family or are you going to at least give a Toyota 4×4 or sedan a try because you have had a good experience?
This should be Honda's "What To Do" list:
Sack The Designer And Product Planners.
Bring more vehicles that compete with the leading brands so Toyota 86 and Mazda CX5 or the 3
Get rid of the factory in England unless your designer is sacked because thats where the Civic and CRV are made
Dont go Volvo style idk ? Just the back of the CR-V looks like a volvo.
Bring the Integra, Civic Type R and the upcoming NSX. You will bring alot of attention to the guys who are into JDM styling. ALSO Bring better engines like a better V6.
Hopefully, Honda can get rid of its bad name of blandness or all that. You will attract more attention to buyers instead of them getting old and outdated versions of the models they are looking for
I remember in in 2008 Honda was talking about bringing in the Accord Euro diesel. That was 4 years ago! In NZ you can buy Accord Euro wagon, why not here? I hope Honda entry in to WTCC with Honda Civic 1.6T is a start!
I think the wagon did not come to Australia because of non-compliance with ADR rules
AND VTEC ! People love the sound.
Hondas are amazing cars,very well built and finished,but they miss opportunities locally.
The Euro is brilliant,but in many markets overseas,they offer the very good looking wagon,as well as the diesel option.
In the US markets,they even offer the 6 cylinder option,which is not a volume seller,but a halo model.
A diesel wagon would have sold like hot cakes…surely ???
Dear Honda,
1.) Bring back S2000, Integra, Prelude and halo car NSX and offer Type R variant in each of them
2.) It's time that Honda need to put diesel engine in Civic, CR-V and Accord
3.) Honda design team need to be completely overhauled
4.) To get back in the game, competitive pricing is important
If they can do this, they will win back customers and their faith will be restored.
Loved my prelude VTIR , with ATTS , cornered like a mini cooper , funny how similar tech has appeared in last few years , and that VTEC motor could really sing .
Down side was no torque so the old wrist did lots of cog swapping .
My wife used to have a 1994 Integra VTIR which had 125kW from 1.8 litre which was a sweet little car. Fast forward to 2012 and we get 104kW from 1.8 litre. What the………………
All due to driveability needs and emission standards. I think in 1994, if your car didn't blow plumes of smoke, it met the standards.
Now emission standards are so strict, you could virtually breath in exhaust fumes and you'd be ok. (JK)
Honda unhappy with sales= Customers unhappy (Honda products+ Honda dealers)
On the plus side, Honda's motorcycles remain highly desireable.
Desirable for what? the new 2013 CBR600RR still doesn't come with a slipper clutch, even Ninja 300 have it as standard now. Honda is just too arrogant to listen to customer and watch its competitors. They have the tech, but sorry it's not available to you if you wanna buy, but you still gotta pay the premium.
without going to a website who can name the extensive honda car lineup?
General Answers would be Civic, CR-V, Accord and Jazz
Anyone see why they cant beat Mazda.
they have 2,3,6, CX-5, CX-9, BT-50.
and all these come with different engines body styles and transmissions.
Wake up Honda and smell the variety.
Oh wait just read a diesel civic is coming next year (in Europe first).
BUT…… Manual only, oh well another FAIL!
even all euro manufacturers build diesels in both transmissions and the japanese think they dont need to design an auto to suit a diesel.
Failed products (most!) with failed after-sales service.
2007 Accord Euro, paid $500+ for each 6-months service.
2009 Toyota Aurion, paid $120 for each 12-months service for first 3 years. $280 after fixed Price Servicing Finished.
Consumers are not going to let you rip them off for so long.
If you paid $500 for each 6 month service then the dealer was ripping you off. 6mth/10,000 k service on an Accord Euro is an average of $220.
Honda's brand image is now getting down to the levels of Suzuki,Proton, SSangyong, Greatwall etc. So get rid off the premium price tag and play at their level. It will be good to launch the Brio hatchback and Brio Amaze sedan (launched in Thailand) to compete with the above mentioned brands. These models will justify the present brand image and can sell volumes. But what to do with the attitude of the sales people?!!!!!
There is absolutely NO way Honda's brand image is similar to that of Proton, Ssangyong or Great Wall. That's just a ridiculous statement. Honda has brand perception equal to that of other similar importers, such as Subaru, Mazda. And they are constantly rated in the very top ranks of vehicle reliability. Also, they are lightyears more technically advanced than any of those companies you mentioned.
They are more advanced in other parts of the world but not here. those days are gone. Now they are just another importer selling cars no better and some times worse than their rivals.
The days of innovation for Honda in Australia, and to a degree in other countries is gone. We are being treated like any other Asian back water fed the bare minimum.
You seem to be a Honda salesman or a blind fan of Honda. Honda Australia has lost its plot. They may be doing better in other parts of the world. But what is the use for us Aussies? Their recent partnership with Proton itself proclaims that they have somethings in common. Look at the partnerships made by other Japanese brands. Toyota with Subaru and BMW, Mazda with Ford, Nissan with Renault, Mitsubishi with Peugeot Citroen PSA. I agree Honda had better brand image in the past but not now at least in Australia. This is not the 80's or 90's but its nearly 2013. So update your knowledge about cars with latest statistics.
This must be close to the longest comment stream ever on this site. There are so many good points it's not funny anymore. After 6 years with Honda and around 3000 vehicles sold, I left Honda to sell another brand partially because of what I was offered by them but also because Honda Australia was only working on excuses instead of solutions.
Yes. It's pretty clear that the so-called wisdom of the crowd has listed quite a few things Honda Australia could and should take on board. But often (in my experience) companies that indulge in public navel-gazing (such as Honda are doing) aren't really interested in what other people think.
Let's see what Honda do over the next 5 years.
I hope we don't get Proton based vehicles in the future from Honda. Don't forget of the recent announcement of a collaboration between the two companies.
Nah I think it should be the other way round
Why aren't they selling more? Well, the previous model Civic hatch arrived in Australia with a $35k price tag. What on earth were they thinking? Also, their refusal to import the staggeringly beautiful Accord Euro wagon beggars belief. In short, they have the wrong cars at the wrong prices.
New gen civic range details released.
Key points
-Return to double wishbone suspension
-Engine options
-125KW DOHC 2:0L Vtec Engine,
-148KW DOHC 2.4L VTec Engine
-120KW Diesel Engine
-188KW Turbo Type R Engine
-Advanced weight reduction, kerb weight now 1100KG
-4 Door sedan, 3 and 4 door hatch backs and a coupe.
-Class leading handling
Time to sweat the once arrogant Honda dealers!
Bargain hard people and squeeze as much as you can! – Hondas are perhaps not the most exciting cars to drive but they are reliable and cheap to run (there is always a misconception of their running costs but I know for a fact they are quite cheap to service and repair nowadays).I test drove the new CRV 4wd (the 2.4L one) and they were ready to do a deal for $33.9k!
One can purchase a MY12 new VTi Accord Seppo for $24k out the door with about $1k of "accessories". MY11 Demo VTi Accord Seppos can be had for $22k out the door with similar options.
Honda's main problem is dropping models without replacing them. Type-R, S2000, MDX, Prelude, etc. MAZDA have a complete range, you go in and there is something for everyone.
Honda have a limited portfolio; Civic Sedan, Civic Hatch (never a big seller when the last UK version was way too expensive), CR-V (Civic on stilts). Jazz, (Then low selling boutique cars like, Insight, CR-Z, Odyssey and Legend). The story above quoted a new large Accord – but no mention of a new Accord EURO which is a nice car, but looks like being pants by the new 2013 Mazda 6. That is going to be an absolute sales hit over the next 12 months. In fact I believe it will steal sales from the VF Commodore, let alone the mid size Camry, Mondeo, Koreans, etc.
P.S. does anyone aspire to volume cars made in Thailand?
The problem is, they stopped making exciting cars, refused to use Turbos, and in my oppinion, dropped their brand image to compete with Toyota rather than Euro luxury cars. The new civic is an unmitigated disaster for the brand. Expensive, thirsty, slow and without any character.
well, they are not priced to compete with Euro luxury cars!
I have to disagree about your view on the Civic. I think it's miles better than the competition except for the looks. I've driven most of the small cars in this segment.
Kia / Hyundai have nervous rides and very light steering.
Corolla, well…. most cars beat a corolla
Mazda 3 – the only competition but I can't get past that goofy smiley face look
Lancer – nahhhh
Golf – expensive to run and touch wood, repair
What about the Focus?
good point
havent had a chance to drive the new model.
Thoughts on running costs and reliability?


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There is a persistent perception that cruisers are an underpowered, ill-handling niche in the motorcycling world. While it is true that a cruiser will never handle like a race replica sport-bike, there is an element of the cruiser market that is anything but underpowered. I am referring to the muscle-bound world of the power cruiser.
In my humble opinion, the category of Power Cruiser was invented by Yamaha with the birth of the iconic V-Max. In 1985, the V-Max rolled onto American soil packed with 145 tire-shredding horsepower. The V-four engine with V-boost (an intake boost system) was the heart and soul of the raucous, rebel of the motorcycling world. No one really cared that it didn't turn that well because its straight-line magic was so intoxicating. The V-max remained relatively unchanged until the introduction of the 2008 model with a new 1,679 cc power plant. The newest V-Max puts out over 190 hp and 125 lb/ft of torque!
So the V-Max is the grizzled (and respected) veteran of the power cruiser world. However, as of late, there has been a rapid proliferation in the genre'. Take, for example, Harley Davidson's entry into the game. The VRSC (V-twin Racing Street Custom) was introduced in 2001. Also know as the V-Rod, the first incarnation of the V-twin engine pumped out a respectable 115 horsepower at the crank. That's pretty impressive when you consider that a conventional 1200cc Harley put out about 65 hp. The latest V-Rod puts out over 120 horsepower.
Maybe the most striking entry into the power cruiser market is the amazing Triumph Rocket III. The Rocket III was introduced in late 2004 with a monstrous 2300cc three-cylinder engine. As impressive as that first bike was, the newest incarnation is awe-inspiring. The Rocket III Roadster puts out a solid 146 horsepower. What sets the Triumph apart is its 163 lb/ft of torque at just 2,750rpm. That is the kind of torque that will pull your shoulder out of joint. A nice bonus with the Rocket III is that it handles surprisingly well for a bike that weighs in at nearly 900 pounds full of fluids.
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An analysis of conflicts in Africa between 1990 and 2010 shows a considerable decline in conflicts on the continent. This is due to many reasons, among them peacemaking interventions and advances in non-military forms of conflict resolution. Nonetheless, Africa today is still affected by armed conflicts that undermine efforts to bring about much needed sustainable socio-economic development that is required for the continent to effectively compete in the international arena. Peace and security is therefore a prerequisite for sustainable development on the continent.
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CHICAGO It's fascinating that two Hispanic men both of whom are further to the right of where most Latinos stand on immigration are at the epicenter of the current reform debate.
Both Cuban-Americans, Sens. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, represent the young, multicultural new face of what could someday become a diverse and welcoming Republican Party.
Until then, they'll be two of the most important Hispanic political players that many Latinos don't much care for.
As an architect of the Senate's compromise bill, Rubio who in February graced the cover of Time magazine as "The Republican Savior" and "the new voice of the GOP" would probably emerge unscathed if the reform measure fails in the Senate.
Oh sure, there were mini-freakouts recently when some liberal commentators who had up to then expressed only an increasing admiration for Rubio's evolving leadership on immigration began to worry that Rubio would come out against his own bill.
And liberal Latinos had already started pitching fits when he began talking about not voting for his own bill unless more border security measures were included. The complaints started building when Rubio announced he'd be submitting an amendment requiring immigrants to prove they could read, write and speak English before earning a green card.
Yet Rubio who fits a comforting narrative of charming, bilingual, pulled-himself-up-by-his-bootstraps, son of immigrants enjoys a benefit of the doubt that will keep him in the good graces of both the general public and the Republican Party.
Ted Cruz? Not so much.
Aside from tea partyers who just couldn't be happier to have a Latino in their ranks who's as passionate about abolishing the IRS and repealing Obamacare as they are Tea Party Nation recently proclaimed Cruz "an absolute American Hero" the junior senator from the Lone Star State seems to turn people off wherever he goes.
Many Hispanics even independent and moderate Republican ones are horrified by him. Cruz gets slammed not only for his ultra-conservative political views and his inability to speak Spanish, but particularly for his belief that current and former immigrants living in the U.S. illegally should not be eligible for citizenship.
A recent Latino Decisions poll found that 69 percent of Hispanic voters view Rubio more favorably for stating that the 11 million unauthorized immigrants deserve compassion. Only 28 percent view Cruz more favorably in light of his anti-citizenship stance.
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Most of all, Cruz fails on that ever-important Republican stumbling block of "tone." He seems constantly scowling and "mad as hell," etc., etc.
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In this spotlight, Cruz and Rubio represent two fundamental truths: Republicans, like Hispanics, are an ideologically diverse bunch.
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An information-packed Job Readiness and Education Fair at Cayuga Community College will cover an array of job-seeking angles from day-care planning to midlife career change.
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Participants can attend workshops, tour information booths, and find out about other job fairs in the area. Professionals will also be on hand to critique resum's and videotape mock job interviews.
Booths will feature area organizations that offer training, education, and job search services. Workshops will include search strategies, economic trends, career transition planning, day care and transportation options, occupational training, and educational opportunities. Other workshops will cover preparation of an effective resum?, conveying a professional image, successful interviewing, and the workplace culture.
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BEADS: To all Rapides Parish School Board members who today will start to interview seven candidates who have applied to become the next superintendent of the School District. The district needs a leader who can pick up where Superintendent Gary L. Jones left off after nearly nine years at the helm. The successful candidate will need only three things: endless energy, a laser-like focus on student achievement, and the experience required to understand the challenges of being an effective teacher.
BOOS: To the various reasons -- social, psychological, emotional, genetic, family, a "mean streak" and so on -- that can cause someone to bully someone else. Bullying is especially troubling for victims who are children and teens -- those who are most easily hurt, no matter how tough they think they are, and who are too young to understand why it's happening them.
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BEADS: To all who plan to take the Tour of Homes planned for Sunday, March 17, to benefit Hope House of Central Louisiana, which provides temporary shelter and essential services for homeless women and children. The St. Patrick's Day tour will be from 2 to 5 p.m. and will feature two homes in Alexandria and one in Boyce. Tickets cost $20 in advance at Hope House, 29 Bolton Ave., Alexandria; and $25 the day of the event, available at the homes. For details and to purchase tickets by phone, call (318) 487-2061 or (318) 715-4506. Learn more about Hope House online at www.CenlaHopeHouse.org.
BEADS: To anyone who remembers whether March came in like a lion or a lamb, and to anyone who can guess correctly how this wild month will go out. The calendar says spring will arrive Wednesday, March 20, but it's truly anyone's guess as to what it will bring.
BEADS: To all Central Louisiana law enforcement personnel who were recognized recently for their work to get impaired drivers off the road. Thank you.


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So every-time a Conservative judge rules correctly, the left goes nuts and starts investigating the judge, figures.
"several years back he converted from Judaism to Catholicism. Several lawyers said they see Feldman walking down the street to attend a Catholic Church almost daily" Really? I mean reallly?!?! What does that have to do with this discussion
The judge may well have it correct. This administration will not follow any court order that does not fit their view. Another words they believe the rule of law is to be followed only when you get your way.
Any time any judge rules in favor of commercial interests of any sort -- said judge will be questioned on their financial dealings. Right, left or center it comes with the territory -- rule in favor of business and your finances come into question.
What should be noted is that the Moratorium order was based on a fraudulent report and is causing irreparable harm to the state of Louisiana, and other states, and put 150,000 people out of work.
The environmentalists are responsible for deep water drilling by eliminating the possibility of close in drilling.
In California, where I live, drilling and pumping has been safe and profitable for more than 100 years yet even in a safely operated field on land face multiple lawsuits to stop the drilling of new wells.
I guess the next time an train derails the President will order all trains to stop for six months while a panel of his chosen decide whether it is safe to run a train or when there is a crash on a California freeway he will order all cars garaged for six months until a panel determines whether cars are safe.
Risk exists everywhere and can be managed but never totally avoided.
@bill-tb - The same could be said about the Right. Either way it is a good thing that Reporters and regular citizens on both sides of the political spectrum can investigate the backgrounds of the people involved in the Government. The internet has allowed everyone to be a watchdog for problems/issues like this. I applaud and want more investigation of these people by both sides - it helps to make the political decision makers accountable for their actions.
@ugottobekidding - I read that elsewhere and also thought the same. Somehow conversion from Judaism to Catholicism is important enough to mention? How would that affect his decision making? Really out of left field.
Are you all kidding? The conversion from Judaism to Catholicism is the only interesting thing reported on this blog. Remember, even Christ didn't convert from Judiasm.
The judge failed to see that the six-month moratorium is meant, in part, to protect the health and safety of the drill rig workers who would have to work in the gulf waters covered with oil slick -- a scientifically proven health and safety hazard.
Judge Feldman's ruling amounted to conjecture -- that if one rig fails, others won't.
OK, we now know the judge own(ed) shares in a number of oil companies drilling in the gulf.
But, does he not own shares in fishing companies?
Also, given that Judge Feldmand held shares in oil companies, some of which affected by the moratorium, the questions is: Should he not have recused himself from making a ruling?
Isn't that expected?
What do his religious beliefs or affiliations have to do with his ruling on the moratorium on offshore drilling? Would you highlight the fact that he ceased attending religious services if that were the case? I doubt it. The innuendo you seem to be aiming for is repulsive.
The ruling was sound and thoughtful. In our business "arbitrary and capricious" is a nail in the rule making coffin.
are you a complete idiot or just mad because the people are standing up to this "great" president?, one rigs mistake shouldn't be allowed to kill an industry/way of life!!! Maybe we should ban all new auto making, thousands are killed each year from accidents!!! come on people were losing our jobs here!!
The FT reports:
The judge who granted an injunction against the six-month moratorium on deepwater US oil and gas drilling held shares in Transocean and other companies involved in offshore drilling.
A financial disclosure report published by JudicialWatch ('a conservative, non-partisan education foundation') showed that Martin Feldman, the Louisiana federal judge who made the ruling, earned dividends from an investment in Transocean, which owned the Deepwater Horizon rig leased by BP.
The filing, which related to the calendar year 2008, also mentions holdings bought in other companies involved in offshore oil and gas drilling (though not deepwater Gulf of Mexico necessarily) such as Hercules Offshore and Parker Drilling. Several other energy companies are also listed. A holding in Halliburton, another company involved in the Deepwater Horizon operation, had been sold during the year.
The Judge may have owned stock in Transocean and other petroleum-related companies. Any argument he should have recused?
Everyone who has money in mutual funds, and a diversified common stock portfolio will have and should have a significant portion in energy. It has nothing to do with his sound, common sense opinion. Not that it matters, because the Obama administration will do whatever it wants, whether the law allow is or now. A federal court says no, ok we will just reissue a slightly different moratorium and say screw you judicial system. When a goverment ignores its own laws, chaos will ensue. I hope safe and sensible regulations will come out of this, but I doubt it.
Based on recent recusals, nearly all the judges down there had some stock in or relatives working at oil companies major or minor. That said, the recusal angle could be fleshed out a bit more and is highly relevant.
Still, is there any doubt that if the Bush Adminsitration were criticising a regulatory ruling this loudly that the "dawn of a new fascism" would be the headline angle in most newspapers?
A Catholic? A friend of Scalia?? Now that's worthy of note, especially that a former Jew is now seen walking to church on Sunday.
The interesting part of story, though, is that the law school establishment is surprised that a judge might find the moratorium arbitrary, capricious, and unreasonable. Considering the fact that the current incident is the only one of its kind that has ever happened, it's truly surprising that these legal eagles are surprised.
federal agencies are "sometimes" challenged in federal court. that is a bit of an understatement. the number of cases involving the apa and foia are quite substantial. the dc circuits case load is much larger than the impression you gave.
The Secretary has the authority to suspend drilling to protect the environment or to install additional safety or environmental protection equipment. He based his decision to do so on this report: http://www.doi.gov/deepwaterhorizon/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&PageID=33598
The legal standard is not "I disagree" but more akin to "what were you smoking" ("arbitrary, capricious or an abuse of discretion").
Read the order and the report and choose between a) an agency totally off-base in its actions or b) an activist judge.
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Colquitt County High School's most recent public high school graduation rate has been released by the Georgia Department of Education. We are pleased to announce that the graduation rate rose more than 11 percentage points over the previous year from 81.80 to 93.156 percent. Colquitt County High School far surpassed the average graduation rate of 78.744 for the state of Georgia.
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Congratulations to Mrs. Latonya Knighton-Bennett (center) fifth grade teacher at Stringfellow was named Colquitt County Schools' Teacher of the Year. Mrs. Tammy Maxwell (left) Colquitt County High School math teacher and Susie Walden (right) C.A. Gray Junior High School math teacher were named as finalist.
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Stringfellow Elementary Staff "Pink Out"
In recognition of Breast Cancer Awareness Month, Colquitt Regional Medical Center donated pink t-shirts to the faculty and staff of Stringfellow Elementary. On today, staff members wore their shirts to show their support. We think Colquitt Regional Medical Center for taking the lead in the fight against breast cancer!
Norman Park Elementary School kicked off its annual Storybook Pumpkin contest.
Homeroom classes and other staff members used pumpkins to create their favorite story book characters. Students will vote for their favorite pumpkin by voting with their spare change. Not only does this contest get students excited about reading, it is used to help raise money for our local Colquitt County United Way campaign.
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Sunset Elementary's Edible Book Fair
To kick off this year's reading campaign, students and teachers at Sunset Elementary School participated in a book-themed dress up day and edible book fair. Cakes, cupcakes, and other treats lined the tables in the media center representing categories like classic book, children's book, and spooky book. Prizes were awarded for the top three entries in each category as well as Drop Dead Gorgeous, People's Choice, Most "Pun"-derful, and School Governance Team Award. Sunset's first ever edible book fair was a great success!
National Walk to School Day
Sunset Elementary School had a very unique way of participating in National Walk to School Day on Wednesday, October 7, 2015. Staff members and students, who had permission, were bused to Moultrie Municipal Airport and walked to Sunset via the bike trail. They were also joined by several parents. Two officers from our local Sheriff's Department supervised traffic for all walkers while crossing the road. Officers Roosevelt Hampton and Jamie Smith made sure the event was safe and fun for all. Sunset was proud of all the participants and hopes to make this an annual event!
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A growing amount of Remy/Virgin hair seems to come from Asia now...so I'm wondering if anyone knows a place in Bangkok I can buy it ( hopefully a bit cheaper than the websites that supply us in New Zealand! )
I also would like to hold it up to my hair to get the best colour match, I'm after a long blonde clip-in piece.
Reccomendations of places in Vietnam or Cambodia would also be very helpful indeed. Thankyou!
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This is a very interesting question and I actually googled it and from what I gathered you're after hairpieces made out of natural hair. That in itself is fine of course BUT you're after the color blonde and I can assure you that that is much harder to find in Asia.....
If color is not important (and you do the coloring yourself) I would suggest Myanmar or Thailand. In the poorer countries like Myanmar (I know for a fact that women sell their hair) and Cambodia (not sure but likely) the hair is being bought from women who want to make some easy money. I doubt whether the hairpieces are actually made there. To find those shops/factories you would have a better chance in Thailand (and Korea for sure).
Also bear in mind that this industry is almost exclusively for the export market (mostly Africa) and you don't find many shops selling such things in the region. Most asians don't have problems with their hair.
My best bet/advice would be to ask in a hospital in Bangkok or beauty shops that cater to ladyboys. For different reason they might know where to get it and point you in the right direction.
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I ordered a wig and hair barrette online easternhair.I was given a choice of Asian Russia Brazilian or Indian hair. I liked the quality and delivered quickly.
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I'm no expert by any stretch, but I do recall seeing a handful of little shops selling natural hair wigs and extensions and such in Pratunam, Bangkok. Right about here if I recall correctly.
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Bill Scoggins, who coached Sonora High School to a state title in 1970 and was an assistant on Central's 1966 championship team, died early Monday in a local hospital at the age of 81.
Scoggins made a big impact with West Texas football, but success seemed to follow him wherever he went. In addition to his two state titles, he won a Southwest Conference title when he was an assistant at Baylor University.
He also coached at high schools in Ballinger, Comanche, Gatesville and Burnet and was the first golf coach at Lake View from 1986 until his final retirement in 1992.
"He was just a really neat person and someone that you'd want your son to be coached by," said former SAISD athletic director Rex Scofield, who coached with Scoggins for several years. "He was so funny and loved the kids, and he always knew how to get things out of them. He could be hard on them, but he could always put his arm around them, and by the end of the day they knew they had a great friend in Bill."
Scoggins was a native of Ballinger and graduated from high school there in 1946. After playing at Howard Payne University in Brownwood, where he earned all-conference honors three times and Little All-American honors his senior year, Scoggins returned to Ballinger for his first coaching job.
After four years as an assistant, Scoggins became Ballinger's head coach in 1955 and led the Bearcats to a district title.
"He was one that all the kids loved," said former Ballinger coach Weldon Brevard, who played under Scoggins. "He was the type that he came back to all the reunions because he was a Ballinger boy, but part of it was because he coached those kids."
After stints in Comanche and Gatesville, Scoggins was an assistant at Central from 1961-69. He was the offensive line coach during the '66 title season.
He then was an assistant at Baylor from 1972-76. After a brief retirement, he assisted again at Central from 1979-81 before taking his final coaching job to start the Lake View golf program.
For all he did in the coaching world, Scoggins is remembered best by the ones who knew him for his friendly demeanor.
"I guess after someone passes away, everybody's going to say how great they were. But in Bill's case, he was just a lovable, wonderful guy," said Dick Rittman, another former SAISD athletic director who coached with Scoggins at Central. "I don't think he had an enemy in the world."
Brevard's wife, Diane, called Scoggins "the most charming man I've ever known."
Randall Caussey was a friend of Scoggins for more than 30 years and played "about a million rounds of golf with him." Scoggins even helped Caussey teach driver's education at Central near the end of his career.
"Everybody wanted to drive with coach Scoggins," he said.
Caussey said Scoggins' health had been failing for a while, but he still wasn't prepared for his friend's death, which may have resulted from complications from a fall Sunday at Myrtlewood Estates.
"He's the greatest guy I've ever known," Caussey said. "You couldn't go anywhere where people didn't know him, but I never heard anybody say anything negative about him. There was nothing negative to say.
"He was the kindest, gentlest, friendliest guy and one of my all-time favorite people."
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