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Boycott Israel?
Collective punishment is always wrong
The recent decision by renowned physicist Stephen Hawking to boycott the fifth Israeli Presidential Conference, co-sponsored by Shimon Peres and Jerusalem's Hebrew University, is being touted by the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction (BDS) movement as a great victory. Yet the bitter irony of this "victory" was underscored by Greg Scoblete, who points to this reaction from Nitsana Darshan-Leitner of the Shurat Hadin Israel Law Center::
"Hawking's decision to join the boycott of Israel is quite hypocritical for an individual who prides himself on his own intellectual accomplishment. His whole computer based communication system runs on a chip designed by Israel's Intel team. I suggest that if he truly wants to pull out of Israel he should also pull out his Intel Core i7 from his tablet," she said. He calls [the boycott] an independent decision based on the unanimous advice of his own academic contacts here. I propose he first seek the advice of Intel engineers working here. He seems to have no understanding of this world."
Hawking is a paraplegic who must communicate via a sophisticated computer device, a key component of which was designed and manufactured in Israel. He can't boycott Israel – unless he wishes to plunge into a world of darkness. Darshan-Leitner says this reflects hypocrisy on Hawking's part, but it is actually worse than that: Hawking's decision highlights the absurdity of such a boycott, and of the idea of collective punishment in general.
We live in an interconnected world: to actually boycott all Israeli products, or those with significant Israeli components, is well nigh impossible – not to mention unjust. A blanket boycott of all things Israeli fails to make an elementary and crucial distinction between the Israeli government – which is pursuing policies decent people must condemn – and Israelis as individuals, who may or may not agree with the policies of their government.
The same argument against slapping sanctions on Iran also applies to Israel: sanctions only hurt the innocent. The political class – the people responsible for making policy – suffers not at all, nor do sanctions give the Iranian rulers any incentive to change their behavior in the direction we would like to see. Indeed, punitive measures only serve to reinforce a bunker mentality that strengthens the regime's hold on the populace, providing hard-liners with a convenient rationale for their policies: they tell their people "The whole world's against us."
The narrative of global persecution is essential to the ultra-Zionist mindset that now dominates Israeli politics, and indeed was the original justification for the Zionist movement in the first place. All over the world, the Zionist leaders told their Jewish audience, Jews face persecution: only in Israel will they be able to find safety. If an international campaign that boils down to "let's boycott the Jews" doesn't reinforce that siege mentality, then I don't know what does. It's hard to believe the BDS'ers are unaware of the dark history of such calls.
There are several arguments made by the BDS'ers in support of their campaign, the most frequent being: Israel must know there is a price to pay for the occupation. Yet who is paying that price? Surely not the present Israeli government, which thrives on a bunker mentality and the ultra-nationalism it conjures among ordinary Israelis.
That BDS activists don't care about this is crystal clear from Ben White's comments in the Huffington Post in defense of the BDS movement:
"A boycott of Israel is required because, in the words of a former Israeli Air Force captain and now activist, 'it is no longer enough to try and change Israel from within.' Sadly, there is no 'peace camp' in Israel, if, by peace camp one means a sizeable body of Israelis who support equality for Palestinians and the realization of all their rights. In fact, Palestinians need less of the so-called 'peace camp,' and more of an 'anti-apartheid camp.' To different extents, Jewish Israelis benefit from the status quo – as the privileged group in an ethnocracy – and thus pressure from the outside is about making that status quo unsustainable and undesirable – along with Palestinian resistance of course."
The peace camp isn't "sizeable" enough for the BDS'ers, so it's okay to write it off. In short, there are no innocent Israelis, they're all somehow beneficiaries of an oppressive system – and, therefore, they must be punished, every single last one of them. That is the de facto BDS view, and it couldn't be more wrong.
The Israelis do not benefit from the occupation: quite the opposite. The occupied territories are a millstone hung around their necks, and their possession will soon make it impossible for Israel to continue as a state which is both Jewish and democratic. Demography and time, not boycotts, are the ultra-Zionists' worst enemies. The BDS movement has written off an entire people, and in doing so closed the door to the only possible solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: changing the tribalist politics that dominate both camps.
Short of a threat by the US government to cut off all aid, outside pressure of the sort generated by BDS will accomplish exactly nothing: indeed, it will achieve the exact opposite of its ostensible purpose. Instead of making the Israelis bow before the judgment of Brooklyn hipsters, it will simply reinforce the average Israeli's contempt for such people, who know nothing of his or her predicament or views.
If the boycott campaign won't succeed in changing Israeli behavior, then what purpose does it serve – and why do the BDS'ers persist in such a non-winning strategy? Like most such efforts, it's all about the satisfaction of engaging in an act of "moral" self-assertion. Like the old right-wing campaign during the cold war era to boycott Polish hams – yes, there actually was such a movement – and the South African boycott (which the BDS'ers are consciously imitating), the boycott Israel movement is all about flattering the moral pretensions of its supporters. It makes the BDS'ers feel good about themselves, while inflicting opprobrium on those they regard as their enemies.
There is also, I think, a subtext to this campaign, sometimes but not always expressed by its adherents, which is meant to delegitimize Israel's very existence. According to this view, it isn't just the occupied territories but the whole state of Israel which represents an illegal and unjust occupation. Israel, after all, is a settler colony, imposed on the indigenous inhabitants by Western imperialists, starting with Britain and the Balfour Declaration. Within this framework, a two-state solution is not only inadequate, it perpetrates an injustice that started the day Israel was founded.
What this superficially "radical" stance overlooks is the reality that there are no "legitimate" states: all are founded in violence and dispossession, including whatever Palestinian state is established in the future. Leave it to middle class liberal-lefties not to understand this.
You know what else they fail to grasp? Israel isn't going to go away any time soon. Yes, the Israelis are sitting atop a demographic time-bomb, but that is all the more reason to engage with them rather than boycott them – because they aren't going anywhere. Israel is a nuclear-armed state, one that has allies and supporters all around the world: the idea that, as President Ahmadinejad put it, the Jewish state will somehow "pass from the pages of history" is utter nonsense.
Oppressive regimes do their best to isolate their subjects from the rest of the world, and try to insulate them against liberalizing influences emanating from the West: the BDS movement, instead of seeking to open up Israeli society to these influences, seeks to close them off – which is precisely the opposite of what they ought to be doing.
In his letter explaining why he is not attending the conference, Hawking wrote: "Had I attended, I would have stated my opinion that the policy of the present Israeli government is likely to lead to disaster." That message, delivered there – in the center of Israeli power – would have struck a much more effective and dramatic blow against the apartheid state than all the boycotts in the world.
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141 Responses to "Boycott Israel?"
As a putative libertarian, you should have no objection to Hawking exercising his freedom of choice to not attend a conference which he finds politically disagreeable. It is not your place to instruct him on how to spend his time.
Conflating his decision with collective punishment is absolutely absurd!
The Dutch rulers of South Africa said one of the major reasons that they did away with Apartheid was the worldwide boycott. Boycotts are unjust to innocent people, like Justin says. But Israel has had 66 years to figure out how to get along with it's neighbors. It is only getting worse in my opinion. Shunning and boycott have been effective means of getting people doing wrong to take notice that perhaps they should change their actions. The main problem with Israel is in the USA and Europe where we have let the Israeli Lobby push around our elected officials. If we cut Israel off the teat, Israel would have to change.
A consumer boycott and government enforced sanctions are not comparable in moral or concrete terms.
I fully support the BDS movement in solidarity with the Palestinian organisations who lead it. I could never say that I know better than they do what will be effective for them.
And it is all about them, after all.
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Just because the boycott of SA worked does not mean that such a policy will work anywhere else. SA had special circumstances not present in Israel.
Israel may be sitting on a demographic time bomb right now, but I believe they will diffuse that bomb when the geopolitical conditions are right to allow it. If Israel had been left to its own devices, they would have expelled the Palestinians long ago. They didn't because their primary sponsor did not let them. US need for Arab oil saw to that. But events are moving fast in the Middle East, and if the Kingdom of Jordan falls, it is likely that its peace treaty with Israel will end also, and Israel will expel the Palestinians into Jordan in the context of a regional war. If this happens will it end Israel's problems? Of course not. But it will substitute one problem for another.
Would the i7 chip not have been designed by another Intel team based somewhere else? Intel has an Israeli team because of the success of outfits like AIPAC in interweaving US and Israeli hi-tech. One reason they have done this – apart from opportunities for industrial espionage – is to make any boycott more difficult to achieve. Check out the AIPAC website. Yes, the world is interconnected but so it was when South Africa faced apartheid-related sanctions – and I remember South African apples were yummy. The real question should be: why does Intel have an Israeli team?
I would like to see Justin discuss BDS with Ilan Pappe.
It appears now that none of the Intel or other equipment that he uses was designed or manufactured in Israel, not that it should matter since he has a right to patronize, or not patronize, whoever he wants.
The reaction of this Nitsana Darshan-Leitner of some Israeli law center is to say the least grotesque. No Intel computer chip could have been developed without the great discoveries made in quantum physics by the likes of Max Plank, Erwin Schrodinger, Werner Heisenberg, Paul Dirac, Louis De Broglie and many of the pioneers in micro-electronics made by non-Israelis. As Isaac Newton once said of himself, these Intel technicians can do what they do because they stand on the shoulders of giants such as Hawking.
The abysmal stupidity of mediocre lawyers such as herself in all things scientific is legend. But her lack of sensitivity is unique. Thank God that the name of Stephen Hawkings will be carved in the pantheon of the great thinkers of humanity for centuries to come while her's will long have been forgotten, discarded in the garbage can of history.
An uncharacteristically weak and not very logical article. Obviously Hawkins' decision to change his mind was very effective. It made the news the world over and it I'm sure it got a lot of people to look up BDS who've never heard of it. Had he gone and given a speech no one would have heard any of it, outside of the attendees.
The fact that netenyahoo and crazier radicals keep winning election after election shows that there isn't some giant rift between the israeli people and the israeli government.
A boycott in the case of israel is very effective. israel like many tyrannies isn't just happy to act crazier and more brutally against the innocent every day, but they are also obsessed with maintaining some pristine image (the "holy" land- ha!) and to quash all criticism. Everyone who doesn't worship israel and all israelis and jews is immediately labeled an anti-semite at best, Raimondo knows that. Any campaign to promote the truth about what israel does against Palestinians and against Americans I might add by causing the US government to act against US interests is a good campaign. And if folks find out the ways they are indirectly financing the slow-mo genocide against the Palestinian people they might reconsider.
Raimondo is a hyperprincipled guy (ALL boycotts/sanctions are bad) and that is great when one is a writer, but in politics or especially in politics one has to be pragmatic, too. Israel is a "special" case after all as they keep reminding us themselves.
I can not believe that this execrable Israeli lawyer would have the arrogance to say of Stephen Hawking: "He seems to have no understanding of this world", and you Raimondo did not point out that she is speaking of someone who has precisely helped shape our understanding of Space, Time and the Universe we inhabit.
Not just industrial espionage. But espionage in general. By getting so involved in technology and communications israel can (and I'm sure does), in addition to the US government, track everything you communicate in any way (google mail, yahoo mail, facebook, waze to keep track where you are at all times, all mobile carriers use some israeli billing company I understand, etc.) Just in case they need to whack you or jail you once Patriot Act VI criminalizes "anti-Semitism".
They are already diffusing the demographic bomb with their grotesque and worse-than-Nazi policy of genocide by calculated caloric deficiency.
Justin Raimondo has sold out …
This boycott is entirely voluntary so it is an expression of individual rights. As so many governments will not Israel accountable for its Apartheid just where does Justin believe pressure will come from for some justice in Palestine?
Exactly. The "free market" for libertarians is a movable feast.
Well, this is almost ridiculous. Israelis vote in elections after elections more mentally disturbed leaders as previous, they let their war and terror criminals to be heroes and elect them as their Presidents and Prime Ministers. These leaders then call for collective punishment of Iraqies, Palestinians, Iranians and more and Justin advise us to be careful of collective punishment of poor Israelis. Is Justin worried he would be asked to unplug his Intel i7 CPU? I think BDS could be even more successful if it hits such a dominant market player as is Intel, so they would next time think twice before getting done anything in such an apartheid state as Israel.
Justin is right.
I, for example, do not support or believe in the U.S. government or any of it's activities abroad. Why should I, my family, or anyone like me have suffer the effects of a trade boycott?
Of course, Hawking has the right to choose his associations and where he does business. But that's not Justin's point. His main point is in pointing out the immorality of collective punishment.
The Libertarians are clearly a ginger group.
Such as the 500,000 Iraq civilians murdered by the US (a price worth paying) supposedly to remove Saddam Hussein. How more collective can you get?
If Israeli products languish on store shelves because thinking consumers refuse to buy them, then the message might ultimately get through.
The problem is he used Stephen Hawking and a disgusting & untrue statement to make his point. Very disappointing.
Of Course Justin Raimondo has sold out …
His darling for Defense Secretary, Chuckie Hagel, now calls for arming the Al Qaeda rebels in Syria and eventually to take out Iran. Some anti-war effort huh.
He also thinks an involuntary boycott due to freedom of association or non association is the equivalent of sanctions backed up by force which kills millions of people? This guy is a complete loon and no one should take him or Antiwar.com seriously………………….
Raimondo's reasoning is too theoretical and in effect a straw man argument . Hawking is hypocritical because he doesn't go all the way- followed by an argument saying going all the way is wrong.
Hawking's position appears to be in accordance with PACBI. They're only concerned with cultural and academic boycott and they are selective about what and what not to do.
In practice people distinguish between an indiscriminate and devastating boycott/sanctions/siege policy, a selective and measured boycott, a boycott that offers a way out or not, or an indiscriminate boycott that is just large enough to be noticed.
Rick R30, All of your comments are exactly right on the money and so well articulated. Do you have your own blog somewhere? You should if you don't!
i guess justin assumes oregon is an israeli state now
Yes, Raimondo has walked out onto a limb because the issue is full recognition of one particular country and the antiwar team feel they must defend it above all else – and I don't mean the USA. The lobby works deep. No doubt various contributors take note.
Justin, the peculiar thing about boycotting Israel or other nations, groups, etc., is that the other groups, nations and so forth aren't given billions of dollars in foreign aid yearly that Israel recieves. I'm certain that ordinary Iranians, Cubans, Palestinians etc., are suffering more than ordinary Israelis. At best, the boycotts simple help negate that US-funded favoratism.
Also, Hawking boycotting Israel isn't so much about boycotting a computer chip as it is boycotting the "Israel Brand." The one in which Israel can get away with terrorizing Palestinians and then "prettying up" its image by inviting world-renowned mucicians, artists, writers, and theorists in order to whitewash all of its crimes.
Raimondo takes care on the innocents from Israel who will be punished together with others but is more logical to believe that the innocents in Israel also see the BDS as a way to bring change in Israeli policy and to set free the Palestinian people.Raimondo gave a link to mark Ahmadinejad criminal intentions "to make the Jewish state passes from history pages" but the link shows that Ahmadinejad intended to the passing of the Zionist regime from history pages and of the Israel state.And the reactions ,which never were reinterpreted and which are repeated in a daily basis, sound like these :"Following news of Iran's remark, condemnation was swift. British Prime Minister Tony Blair expressed "revulsion" and implied that it might be necessary to attack Iran. U.N. chief Kofi Annan cancelled his scheduled trip to Iran due to the controversy. Ariel Sharon demanded that Iran be expelled from the United Nations for calling for Israel's destruction. Shimon Peres, more than once, threatened to wipe Iran off the map. More recently, Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu, who has warned that Iran is "preparing another holocaust for the Jewish state" is calling for Ahmadinejad to be tried for war crimes for inciting genocide. Curiously Raimondo agrees with Hawking statement:"that the policy of the present Israeli government is likely to lead to disaster" but denies that to impede a disaster should try to do something concrete,a minimal action, as is BDS.
Bollocks. His reasoning is absolutist, that's all.
J.R. 's siding with Israel " Israel to continue as a state which is both Jewish and democratic"
I got bad news for him–once UN stops allowing USA from vetoing or UN dissolved–Israel is finished
I'm still a bit "confused" as to why Mr. Obama allegedly provided Israel "Bunker Busters" and refueling aircraft only to feign "concern" soon after…in fact: even at the exact same time…in fact: technically even well 'before' the 'transfer' of these items to Israel even took place–'publicly' feigned 'concern' that Israel may, in fact, make the decision on their own to actually use the items Mr. Obama specifically and intentionally provided them.
Arrogant & stupid analysis. The fact that Intel happens to have a design facility in Israel only points to the monopoly that certain groups of people have on chip development. It could as easily have been designed in China or in Gaza for that matter. This is colonial thinking, that trade monopolies exist because the disfranchised aren't qualified instead of the reality that they're almost always enforced by violence.
Collective punishment? Since when is one guy staying home "punishment" for other people?
I strongly disagree with Justin. Going over the comments, everything I was thinking of saying has already been said. Private individuals have every right to boycott a regime they find deplorable. It's not the same as a government boycott – a US boycott always involves attempting to strongarm other governments and corporations into boycotting even if they have no interest in doing so.
The argument that it's only the regime, not the people – doesn't hold here as the vile regime keeps getting elected again and again – there's wide-spread public support for its most insidious policies.
It is true that the boycott itself will not bring down this evil regime, but that's a nonsequitor. What's the alternative? To cooperate with it? To acquiesce to its evil? Cooperating with people inside Israel opposing the government won't do any good either, as they're already an inconsequential minority.
Another of Justin's points is that if a growing boycott does work -as it did in South Africa – it will have an effect of "drowning the child with the bathwater" – that Israel will fully collapse, as opposed to just ending its bigotted dogmas and policies against the Palestinians and other Arab states. If that were to happen – it's the Israelis' loss for not showing flexibility when they had the chance.
I don't get the notion that Israel is unlike the old apartheid Union of South Africa. They are very similiar in their habit of spreading of chaos in their respective regions, both developed nuclear weapons, both are "scientific" in their hatred of their native populations, and both are championed by the ignorant ones in our society – in Israel's case, a whole heresy has developed in the Christian Religion, to support their nasty racism. And just like in the old Union of South Africa, their racism will only fade when decent people refuse to associate with them. The BDS will continue to grow, thankfully.
how is he wrong? how is israel any different than south africa in the 80's?? this column is total crap. total.
I think Glenn Greenwald gets it correctly (with good links) http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/…
This op-ed is a joke, right?
Well, now we know that it isn't just the progressive camp that is entirely sold-out as concerns Israel but many on the libertarian side as well!!
Way to show you true colors, Mr. Raimondo!!
I used to think that this site actually had something valuable to offer but now see that it's run by mental cowards who quail in the face of standing up for what is right.
Pitiful. Pathetic. Embarrassing. Sad.
Hey, Justin, why not sign your name to the Solidarity with Syria petition and publicly join with your traitors to humanity?
I would add one thing. Justin quotes Ahmadinejad saying, "the Jewish state will somehow "pass from the pages of history" is utter nonsense". Of course Ahmadinejad didn't say this. He said "This regime must pass from the pages of history". I know I hope for an Israel that looks nothing like the current regime.
Like apartheid, perhaps? Oooops…….
Thanks Doc. I haven't considered it. I just don't think it's safe to be too vocal about criticizing power. And it's getting unsafer and unsafer. Unless you are a prominent personality or have a whole lot of money to defend yourself in case they come after you. It's not clear how all this will end in regard to people's liberties but it's not going to be good.
If people in the U.S. want to end Israel's occupation of Palestine they should boycott their own state, for it is the true foundation of Israel's existence. Of course this wouldn't mean refusing to buy products made by fellow Americans, but a refusal to pay taxes, etc.
Or less drastic (and dangerous) they could attempt to educate Americans and lobby the government to end the blank check to Israel.
Either way, nothing short of these actions will have any effect on Israel unless there is massive support for a boycott. Mass support can't be achieved without education of the American populace . If people don't understand the issue, they will misunderstand the action and react hostilely to it (as Noam Chomsky argued in an interview linked to by Justin, explaining his own opposition to the boycott — though I don't see anybody calling him a sell out or hypocritical as many comments have accused Raimondo).
But such education and resolve to change Israel could more effectively be directed at the American government. The unintended consequences of a mass boycott would be to cause economic harm to individuals within Israel who didn't choose to be born there, and maybe aren't supporters of the state themselves. It would only stimulate hardliners and lend strength to their argument that the world is indeed out to get them. Communication, education and trade are never bad things. Massive government military and financial aid and permissive attitudes toward Israeli economic spying, etc. are the real problems. But those are internal American issues that citizens need to take up with their own government.
Hypothetically, would it be a good thing if the American government somehow had a complete about-face and began sanctioning Israel for its apartheid? If it isn't okay in Iran, why would it be okay in Israel? Yes, individuals making decisions not to purchase any products from Israel is not the same as coercive government sanctions, and people have individual rights to boycott whatever they want. But the question is whether the outcome will be effective, or more destructive to the cause and whether there might be better actions that would be more effective.
All that said, I think there is a difference between economic boycotts and an unwillingness to attend an academic conference, so I disagree that Hawking's decision was incorrect or immoral. Economic collective punishment is not the same as making an intellectual/moral statement by not attending a conference that was likely to be attended by a score zionists, and many government connected people. Still, I think it might have been equally or more effective if he had attended and perhaps took the opportunity to say what he thinks about the situation directly.
I deeply resent that I'm supposed to care at all about the Israel-Palestine issue. With all the problems in Africa, many of which the U.S./UN is causing, I think the obsession with this tiny, insignificant piece of land is somewhat racist.
Boycotting Israel is for self-righteous hypocrites who literally can't afford to boycott products from the USA, who is the primary cause and instigator of this mess.
I deeply resent that I'm supposed to care at all about the Israel-Palestine issue. With all the problems in Africa, many of which the U.S./UN is causing, I think the obsession with this tiny, insignificant piece of land is somewhat racist.
Boycotting Israel is for self-righteous hypocrites who literally can't afford to boycott products from the USA, who is the primary cause and instigator of this mess.
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The only friend that supports USA governments hegemony is Israel government and perhaps the majority of what is called "settlers".., most of these people are immigrants from Europe and USA, they get paid to move to Israel.., nonetheless.., if any notion regarding peace with Israel is going to be effective it needs to follow a international economic boycott for Israel to understand the seriousness of the matter.., Look: for last 66 years Israel government of all kind have disrespected every and all kind of proposals presented to them.., by the UN or otherwise, they have killed and killing, disrespecting the basics rights of Palestinians, disrespecting human rights and etc…, Israel is presenting the apartheid regime ruled by Zionism.., a world domination force which sees the world as their "Sanctuary" (Zion).., USA is a capitalistic economic system, ruled by vulture capitalism, a driving force wanting to dominate the world economy.., therefore, based on the ideas in dominations.., Israel-USA cooperation is essential, therefore, Israel is safeguarded by USA and by all means, therefore, USA government and senate is influenced by Zionism, here the word "democracy" lost its meaning for last 60 years, here, the differences between SA apartheid regime and Israel apartheid regime is due to the SA being ruled by Dutch whites anglo saxon-ism immigrants and people of SA being black…, here the difference is that Arabs nationals are marked as "terrorists" by the west and Israel apartheid regime as the only "democracy" in Middle East.., another propaganda by the west and for the west to justify Israel stealing lands and west occupying Middle East with its militarism regimes,,, therefore, the only language that Israel apartheid regime will ever understand is being boycotted internationally.
I agree that Justin is off point today here. Hawking not attending a conference is hardly "collective punishment" of any kind. There is no punishment at all involvked. Of course the state of Israel is one of the world's leaders in collective punishment (for real!) so that can hardly be ignored.
An individual's right to associate is one of our basic freedoms. Hawking is merely choosing, along with others, not to associate in some circumstances with certain others. No innocents are being harmed unlike government enforced boycotts. Got it wrong today…
The talking point against Hawking in his refusal to attend a conference in Israel is a strong-arm tactic.
Basically it says: "You don't like us cripple? We can unplug you any time we want."
Justin should know there is no "German science" or "Jewish science" or "American science."
There is science.
The same argument could be made for not boycotting Germany during the Hitler period. And American corporatists did not boycott it. IBM maintained the machines that cranked out records kept on Jews and led to their deaths in concentration camps. IBM in and of itself is neither good nor bad, but its corporate board can decide to support a dictator's work or it can refuse to participate even if well-paid and even if the shareholders want to make a profit.
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I don't even think South Africa has drowned.
I think Justin is channeling Ayn Rand, who thought most countries in the Mideast were inhabited by "savages" and that Israel was all about modernity and progress. I wonder how that could be said of the baby-breeding and barefoot women in the settlements, trying to overcome the demographic hand-writing on the wall without actually trying to get along with the natives.
Have they taken Sharon off life-support yet? He seemed to be the Terry Schiavo of Israel. Real progressive and modern, and not superstitious a bit, those Likudniks.
"A blanket boycott of all things Israeli fails to make an elementary and crucial distinction between the Israeli government – which is pursuing policies decent people must condemn – and Israelis as individuals, who may or may not agree with the policies of their government."
Unfortunately, the fact is that a majority of Israels do agree with the policies of this government, as they have the policies of past governments over the decades. There are some "innocent Israelis" in regard to Israeli policies in Palestine, but one should be careful about invoking them, there are a lot fewer of them than many would have you believe.
Justin's column today is virtually inexplicable. As the collectivity of commenters on it clearly demonstrate, he is wrong on virtually every point he makes. One has to wonder — does he even read the original and linked articles concerning Israel-Palestine issues that appear daily on antiwar.com, his own web site?
It can work but there has to be concrete objectives and the effort needs to be coordinated.
Apologies for double-posting. Confusion and error on my part.
"The real question should be: why does Intel have an Israeli team?"
Tax advantages. AIPAC has written into the tax code freebies for research moved from here to Israel. We are subsidizing this. It all comes from US taxes. It is difficult to keep up with all the ways we give to Israel, but this is one of them. They pay no tax here, and no tax there. Tax free. That's why Intel moved this research to Israel.
We could start by stop buying any systems that contain i7-2620m chips.
User Preferences , shunning , Sanctions , boycotts , and embargoes are very different things. It really depends on impact and context as to what tool is appropriate if behavior change is desired. These tools should never be used to starve the weakest people in society. In general the goal should be maximum liberty.
The point you miss here Justin is that doing business in anyway with Israel not only lends legitimacy to an illegitimate immoral state but also constitutes a crime in itself in that any action taken that profits Israel economically politically etc is literally making crime pay. In other words you are aiding and abetting a crime specifically and chiefly THEFT if you buy products from Israel or perform speak invest there etc. The message has to be that crime does not pay, that illegal immoral entities shall not profit. Period. That is why I can not and will not have anything to do with the state of Israel. No morally conscious person can do otherwise. It's not a question of efficacy or collective punishment. It's about right and wrong.
Oh and spare the BS about how that means you can't use tech products made in Israel Gimme a break. All that technology was developed on the backs of American taxpayers. If yo haven't noticed Israel is one of the biggest welfare recipients in the world courtesy Uncle Sam
Um no. His reasoning is not absolutist. It is flawed There is no comparison between collective punishment and the moral obligation to abstain from associations with an immoral illegal entity, particularly those that profit it
Justin, what the hell you don't get about the shitty little state? How can you equate it with other countries? Invariably the overwhelming majority of those people live on stolen land with the rightful owners very close by. Sanctions are not enough at all, total embargo until they sit down and talk serious peace is the only acceptable thing to do if not for American prostitutes like AIPAC and others.
I do not think Justin sold out but I don't rule it out, many people like him did it before. He is a little confused and the sheer deluge of propaganda is getting to him. I suggest he goes visit the Palestinian territories along with the shitty little state to see how things are over there.
I was stunned by his assertion that Israelis don't benefit from the occupation. I guess Justin missed the part where Israel is a modern nation state doing very well (16th on UN's Human Development Index) bankrolled and protected by the world''s superpower, and the rest of the 1st world for the most part, politically at least. None of this success Israel currently enjoys would be possible without the occupation and make no mistake ALL of Israel is occupied land. It's got its share of problems as does any other 1st world country but if there's any indication that the state of Israel is heading towards collapse I'd like to see it
It's actually worse than Israelis agree with their government's brutalization of the Palestinians It's that it's a non-issue. I've talked to people that live in Israel. The crimes Israel perpetrates against the Palestinians are known but they aren't even on the average Israeli's radar. Except for a few people on the "fringe" of Israeli society, no one even talks about it
And one more thing, if the muslim scientists did not invent the use of the ZERO in math and calculus, where would the world be today? It is very pitiful to bring up the chip subject knowing that almost everything in the shitty little state is stolen or strong armed from others, particularly the US.
The i7 chip was designed in Hillsboro, Oregon, not in Israel. The team leader was a Hindu-American born in India, not an Israeli. Justin has just fallen for an Israeli planted lie.
A quick, simplistic response:
If I don't pay my taxes, which includes a very nice allowance for Israel, I potentially have to face jail (i.e., violence).*
Israel's lobby makes sure that as a U.S. taxpayer I am forced to support Israel.
Isn't BDS the least I can do in response?
*I consider myself a liberal but am willing to admit the state is, among other things, a form of organized violence.
Boycotting for the right cause is effective…..lets say Birmingham Boycott.
what-ho what-ho; did I miss something ???
Did Justin just get a new Israeli boyfriend or is he trying to have us write his articles for him ?
Antiwar.com won't be getting another dime from me until Raimondo disappears. I understand Jpost is hiring…
Looks like Raimondo failed to sugar the pill; they never stop (why should they?), so he'll be back.
Thanks to the link," The Anatomy of the State".
Poor Mr. Hawking, If I were him I would be too embarrassed to go to Israel too. Such a brilliant mind he has…wrong wrong wrong. I doubt he has a sense of humor.
C'mon Justin. The people of Israel elect their leaders and deserve to suffer the consequences of a boycott. The people of Iran would deserve to suffer the consequences of a boycott if their leaders engaged in atrocities on par with the Israeli leadership.
But what of the allowance we are forced to pay for the rest of world? Is that okay? Such a Christian you are. Just like Jesus, uplifting and paying for the whole world, well except of course Israel.
Racist: They are brown and dumb we just have to love them, they should want iPhones, and air conditioning, TV's with fake news, and they should spend their days wishing they could win the lottery. They should want to cut down their forests to make way for housing development and cars, they should want runways of anorexic chics showing off rags.
Yes all you black tribal people of Africa who have survived for thousands of years, throw off your rags and buy shit from China, forget how to survive buy buy buy, and to your government just in case someone doesn't like it, here are some weapons.The UN proudly keeps you defenseless from thugs.
Raimondo – it's a Race to end Israeli Apartheid before they engulf the world in WWIII by igniting Syria, Iran, Lebanon or somewhere else in order to try to forestall dismantling of Apartheid
The ones that get hungry can head for the US or EU
So many thumbs down yet no one can tell me where he has ever been correct about anything. All he is is a man in a wheel-chair.
Intel i7 CPU! —Thanks for letting me know. Something to avoid!
Either Raimondo is ignorant and knows little to nothing about Israeli society and the occupation or his pay masters called in a favor.
Given his past reluctance to acknowledge certain indisputable facts about Israeli society, one can safely conclude that he's a paid shill, most likely by some self-styled liberal Zionist organization.
As an aside, it's important to mention that according to polls conducted in Israel, more than 94% of Israeli Jews supported the collective punishment and 22-day massacre of Gaza's civilians in 2009.
In addition, the majority of Israeli Jews believe that non-Jewish citizens should NOT be afforded equal rights.
Raimondo lives in a bubble of his own creation. Has he ever bothered to visit the region and see how Palestinians live under occupation? Has he ever bothered to speak with Israelis, or read some Israeli school books to learn more about Israeli society?
It appears he has not.
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You've lost me on this one Justin, and you haven't got your facts straight either. There is nothing Hawkins relies on for his communication.
The i7 (the CPU in Hawkins laptop) was designed by Intel's architecture design team in Hillsboro Oregon. The claims the i7 was designed in Israel are also lies.
For the i7 in particular, the Sr. Principal Engineer's name is Ronak Singhal. He is an Indian. The design team does not consist of Israelis and is not located in Israel.
Hawking's sentence construction software, EZ Keys, was designed and built by an american company, Words Plus, which was based in Palmdale, California. Hawkings speech synthesizer, NeoSpeech, is produced by a company based in Fremont, California and backed by Voiceware Co of Korea. It has nothing to do with Israel either.
Hawking's laptop which ran the software used AMD chips. This was an embarrassment to Intel. Intel's CEO at the time Gordon Moore (now retired) personally negotiated with Prof. Hawking to participate in a marketing arrangement where Hawking would use Intel provided off-the-shelf laptops sothat they could claim he used Intel equipment. The financial details of this arrangement are private, but it is a marketing expense for Intel. Intel's Portland team flies out to England each year to check on things. Because they kept asking Hawking if they could build him something custom for this (since none of the software or hardware was actually made by Intel, the laptops were built in China), they designed and built a small audio amplifier that was louder than the one he used previously. This could also have been replaced with an off the shelf amplifier as well, but it is the basis for Intel's claims to have contributed custom hardware.
None of the Portland team that visits Israeli either.
no need for you and Justin to worry about Israelis thinking that the world is indeed out to get them. I think what BDS will do to them is make them realize they and the government that represent them can no longer do what they have done to others with IMPUNITY.
The majority of Israelis elected their governments, they are responsible for their elected government's actions and policys.
but in all of Mr. Hawkings "science" where has he been correct? Fact is he has never been.
One thing for instance:", I would have stated my opinion that the policy of the present Israeli government is likely to lead to disaster".
But Mr. Hawking says God doesn't exist?
Funny you talk about theft, well taxes are THEFT! What is the message you send? Steal from the Rich give to the Poor you say, but theft is theft no matter who does it or for what reason. Do you want to support Egypt, Pakistan, who?
If it were up to me, I would move my people out scattered to the wind, then level it right down to the sewer, then you can have it.
You spend a lot of time worried about Israel and what they learn and no time what the children right here learn, assuming you live in neither Israel or Palestine. So to talk about American education, well that is cute, every couple of years they come out with a new program to make the children better, usually a one to two year program and then they test the results, if the children do well, then the program must be good, if the children don't do well, then they scrap it and come up with a different one, but no one cares about the children who went through the program and didn't do well. For every new program there are reams of children who got fucked up by the last one. That's the problem and no one cares.
The i7-2620m chip and other "Israeli" products were probably intially funded by your "voluntary" tax contributions or outright stolen just like Israel's nuclear weapons technology was. A parasite cannot continue to live without its host.
The use of the scientific achievements of Israel against Hawking's decision just plain stinks. Some of the technology that Hawking uses to talk was developed in Israel. So what? So therefore they have a right to abuse Palestinians in the Occupied Territories?
Germany in the first half of the 20th century contributed a lot to the development of modern science. Much of it in the area of military science, which the Germans put to aggressive use during World War II. Germany a century ago was considered a leading light of civilization. Plenty of examples throughout history of leading lights of civilization who were absolutely monstrous when it came to their imperial behavior.
How many active boycotts are there going on these days? 1,000? 2,000? You would have to be live in a log cabin in rural Idaho to be able to observe them all.
Ultimately we're going to have to put an end U.S. government financial and military support for the occupation. Not happening anytime soon.
There is one example of a successful boycott that doesn't get cited at all within anti-war circles. That would be the U.S. embargo of Indochina post-1975. It worked, as Hanoi, limited in its ability to to participate in the global economy, surrendered to Clinton 1993. Hanoi "agreed" to pay the odious debt of the hated Saigon and "agreed" to adopt a market economy. When Washington boycotts, it tends to get real results.
Well said. You should repost this comment on other sites.
Antiwar: why am I being censored for stating historical facts? Are you that cowardly and afraid?
Sure it's flawed. I'm saying why he was bound to get into trouble, because he wanted to put all the boycott related actions into one basket with the prototype in the middle of a devastating blockade. You're saying what's wrong with the argument, by using a description that puts the maximum distance between the prototype and Hawking's actions.
Please provide a link to substantiate your claim.
I must say I am taken aback by Raimondo in this instance; maybe he will come back with an amendment after having second thoughts. He's someone I have trusted until now.
I have always thought of Raimondo as a kindred spirit, and I do hope this one article is just an aberration, and that he will have second thoughts.
Rick, have you never heard of the people of Palestine, collectively punished since electing the wrong government in 2006? Does Gaza ring a bell?
You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater and I will not go along with that.
Ben, we should all reach your level of "confusion".
It needs to be mentioned that many of these settlers in the West Bank are from Russia and other eastern European countries, as are many of the soldiers of course. Just seeing them at checkpoints, as I have done, extremely sunburned, makes it so obvious that they do not belong in that environment. They come to settle already primed with hatred of Arabs.
How so? If antiwar.com isn't antiwar in any real sense, then what purpose does it serve? To make bourgoise people like you feel good? This is why the Amerikan empire will collapse from within. This is an empire whose denizens are intellectually, spiritually, and morally bankrupt. But keep cheering on that wonderful sell out Justin Raimondo. I am quite sure he will be able to offer you solace after the economy collapses, the guns are confiscated, and real dissenters are rounded up and sent to gulags for reeducation………………
I am equally disappointed, but I'd like to give Justin another chance, to maybe retract some of this article.
Justin is a sellout based on one article?
Yes, tell him to go to East Jerusalem right now, no time to waste!
And what are you, Bess? What are your life accomplishments?
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Well worth repeating!
You've lost me on this one Justin, and you haven't got your facts straight either. There is nothing Hawkins relies on for his communication.
The i7 (the CPU in Hawkins laptop) was designed by Intel's architecture design team in Hillsboro Oregon. The claims the i7 was designed in Israel are also lies.
For the i7 in particular, the Sr. Principal Engineer's name is Ronak Singhal. He is an Indian. The design team does not consist of Israelis and is not located in Israel.
Hawking's sentence construction software, EZ Keys, was designed and built by an american company, Words Plus, which was based in Palmdale, California. Hawkings speech synthesizer, NeoSpeech, is produced by a company based in Fremont, California and backed by Voiceware Co of Korea. It has nothing to do with Israel either.
Hawking's laptop which ran the software used AMD chips. This was an embarrassment to Intel. Intel's CEO at the time Gordon Moore (now retired) personally negotiated with Prof. Hawking to participate in a marketing arrangement where Hawking would use Intel provided off-the-shelf laptops sothat they could claim he used Intel equipment. The financial details of this arrangement are private, but it is a marketing expense for Intel. Intel's Portland team flies out to England each year to check on things. Because they kept asking Hawking if they could build him something custom for this (since none of the software or hardware was actually made by Intel, the laptops were built in China), they designed and built a small audio amplifier that was louder than the one he used previously. This could also have been replaced with an off the shelf amplifier as well, but it is the basis for Intel's claims to have contributed custom hardware.
None of the Portland team visits Israeli either.
Have you ever met and spoken with members of the Hamas political establishment in Gaza? All well educated individuals. The only "dirtbag" is yourself.
The fact is that the vast majority of Palestinians, not only Gazans, voted for Hamas in 2006, as the only alternative was Mahmoud Abbas and his coterie of corrupt hangers on.
Apparently, what Raimondo fears most is the logical extension of the BDS campaign against U$A, the mainstay of the Zionist Regime. In his worldview, it is the unspeakable taboo for the rest of the world to 'gang-up' and start choking the coronary artery of his warmongering imperialist empire.
well I'm certainly not the one who wants you to buy a mac just because some guy in a wheelchair says you should boycott intel products, I also noticed on lewrockwell.com a recent article about buying a mac. Looks like Mr. Raimondo and some of his communist buddies are doing some social experimenting. Mr. Raimondo is trying to do the opposite of what he knows his readers expect in a hope to aggravate and move them more to a boycot. Anyone non lefty is the bad person around here, if you don't agree to their social ideas then or it hurts their leftist agenda they won't print them, or they will use them some where else.
Collective punishment by Hamas lol. Spare me the demonization of the victim. As though Hamas and not Israel were imposing that illegal vicious blockade on Gaza.
First of all, the people of Palestine as a whole didn't elect Hamas. Hamas only got 44% of the vote. That means the majority of Palestinians DIDN"T elect Hamas, including children btw. Second exactly what is wrong with Hamas as a government? Sure they're not a government I would want to elect But then I don't live under the dire circumstances the Gaza Palestinians do – a vicious illegal 60 year old blockade/occupation. Yes Hamas is a corrupt, and are a nasty criminals lot, as far as some of their political opponents are concerned. But as far as the average Palestinian goes Hamas is good government. Hamas provides all manner of social/charitable services and functions eg free or inexpensive health care, hospital access, builds schools, builds education centers for women, etc. Just because you Zionists resent the fact that they won't capitulate to Israel doesn't mean they are evil. Third, last time I checked Hamas had killed and injured only a tiny infinitesimal fraction the number of innocents the US and Israel have. Fourth, as far as collective punishment goes let's be clear. It is Israel who by imposing their cruel and illegal blockade on Gaza is guilty of crimes against humanity and collective punishment. Not Hamas
Thanks for this info. Quite brazen then for Israelis to claim that invented those chips. But some of the issue remains. What does then the israeli Intel facility do? Research? Manufacturing for the region?
how is your continued attack of Israel not warlike. I think your a hypocrite, it's always okay to attack Israel and kill the people there, just no where else? Isn't that all any of you really want to do kill Israel? Jews are all white people, kill them, they are from Russia, kill them, do you people ever listen to yourselves and ask yourself why you even care about it all so much?
No doubt it's not on their radar, after all Palestinians aren't even human according to them.
Strangely enough, Germans didn't know what Hitler was up to but it didn't serve them as an excuse and collective guilt is alive and well there. When it comes down to these phony global moral standards all that matter is whether you are on the winning side or the losing side.
Jeff, sorry, I meant that the Palestinians were punished as a whole
→ by the U.S./Israel← for electing Hamas in a completely free and fair election overseen by a team of international observers headed by Jimmy Carter.
In fact I completely agree with your comment above ↑.
For the sake of free speech, a little bit more tolerance please.Justin is entitled to his own opinion. I think it is always bad to opress other people. I do believe in freedom. But when he thinks it is better to confront and argue with the oponent than to stay away, we have to respect it.
Please don't call me a Christian. Christian moral indoctrination caused a lot of suffering in my life.
As for the other stuff, you seem to be making a lot of additional unjustified assumptions about my views.
Dude get with the program. No one's oppressing him. No one here is using any form of coercion on Justin Raimondo. No one's infringing in his right to free speech. We are disagreeing with him. If you can't figure out the difference between disagreement and oppression there's no point in talking to you. We are entitled to not tolerate his opinion as long as we do so peacefully. It's called dialogue. That's what we're doing here
As much as I revere Mr. Raimondo, I find his collective punishment argument more than a little absurd. Why shouldn't democracies be held somewhat accountable for the policies they promulgate? Maybe the Iraqis aren't responsible for Saddam, but please explain how the Israelis are not responsible for their never-ending list of despots screaming for our money, someone else's land, and war, war and more war… Any boycott seems altogether far too milk toast to deter such a determined predator state…… What is needed is their own ole "All options are on the table" talk and action to sober them up enough to learn how to live with their neighbors…. If there was a boycott, they would expect US to cover their shortfall! You want a libertarian issue? Stop taking MY tax money with the threat of force and giving it to them for their illegal Palestinian genocide.. Worry about how OUR policy negatively effects their occupied, blockaded captive victims, not their victimizers……
>> The use of the scientific achievements of Israel against Hawking's decision just plain stinks.
It's also false. See my post above. Hawkings relies on nothing made by Israel
What Raimondo also misses, is the fact that BDS is a non violence resistance strategy created by the Palestinians themselves. They are using it to battle violations of international law, human rights, and 64 years of collective punishment foisted on them etc. To suggest that this in turn collective punishment against Israelis is pretty absurd.
It wouldn't surprise me if an urban legend like this is getting spread by the Israeli propaganda apparatus.
I'm still fascinated by this putting forward of the cultural and scientific achievements of great powers both past and present. People do this when defending U.S. aggression abroad. Of course, the best example of the most vulgar display of this kind of cultural arrogance was Germany the first half of the 20th century.
Let's count all the German contributions to science that eventually had military applications. It would be a long list, no doubt.
Looks like Antiwar.com is a busted flush.
Thanks for the clarification. but i meant the occupation and oppression of the palestinians.
Has Justin lost it? His past columns are usually perceptive and eloquent but this one comprises little more than a long string of non sequiturs and dissemblances.
Please don't tell us that U.S. government-sponsored sanctions against Iran are no different than the BDS movement. The ostensible goal of U.S. sanctions is to punish Iran for a (non-existent) nuclear weapons program, while the real goal is blatantly imperialist—steal Iranian oil. (Israel has a very real, very large, and very illegal nuclear weapons program, but suffers no sanctions for it.) The goal of the BDS movement is similar to the goal of the sports and cultural boycotts against South African apartheid that began in the 1960s, that is, to help isolate and overthrow a repulsive racist regime through popular pressure, since most political leaders refused to take any measures on their own.
Wherever I look in this column all I see are specious arguments and distortions of fact. Justin says that Israel doesn't benefit from the occupation. Land-hungry Zionists obviously think otherwise. He thinks that demography and time alone will stop the incremental ethnic cleansing of Palestine, as if ethnic cleansing were not by definition the reversal of existing demography by violence.
He parrots the Zionist script by blaming the victims of ethnic cleansing. According to Justin, the only possible solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is to change the "tribalist politics that dominate both camps."
In effect, he seemingly dismisses an entire catalog of Zionist racist evils because "there are no 'legitimate' states," i.e., the Zionist regime is really no worse than all the others, another morally bankrupt rationale commonly trotted out by hasbarist propagandists.
Finally, Justin seems to argue for political accommodation on the ground that the "Jewish state" isn't "going to go away any time soon" no matter what we do. Certainly the "Jewish state" will never transform into a secular democracy on its own or at the hands of U.S. politicians, and that's what the BDS movement is all about.
you realize this then applies to the US as well, right ?
Maybe the hasbarists have run out of sugar; Raimondo's spin would in any case have been unthinkable had there not been an undertow of racism
So, I am supposed to buy those Israeli tomatoes that I see in the produce department at my local market? I see acres and acres of tomatoes grown on illegally siezed and occupied Palestinian land. I imagine the Palestinian homes and olive groves that were leveled by US supplied Caterpillar bulldozers retro-fitted like tanks with Israeli weapons crawling across the landscape and mowing down everything in their path. (remember Rachel Corrie?) NO THANKS to ANY fruits of aparthied.
I've read several articles in the past by Justin and others on this site referencing the growing shift to the political right of Israeli voters and the results of these elections have produced some of the most vicious thugs in the short history of that failed enterprise. I think it's idealistic and naive for Justin to think that these folks are going to respond to the peaceful and reasonable approach. We've handled Israel with kid gloves too often and like a spoiled, over-indulged child, they grow more bold and vicious with each passing year. I think it's time for far tougher measures and BDS among others, can be a very
effective tool. The almost deafening screeches from the pro-Israel groups in response to a boycott of Israeli goods should indicate just how effective it can be.
If people have comments re: BDS they can be mailed to Tom Knapp at firstname.lastname@example.com or to me to be forwarded. Justin has been answering questions about this on twitter. Twitter.com/JustinRaimondo.
Lots of hypocritical anti-Jewish bigots here are against collective punishment, EXCEPT when the collective punishment is against Israeli Jews. Then they support it.
Should the Palestinians be boycotted because they elected deranged Hamas terrorists as their leaders?
Should Americans be boycotted because of what the government does regarding drone strikes, etc?
Should the UK be boycotted?
Should every Muslim country be boycotted because literally almost every Muslim country on Earth discriminates against Christians, Jews, etc?
Should every Arab country be boycotted for their horrible human rights records, discrimination, etc?
Should China be boycotted for occupying Tibet — which has never tried to destroy China. (Whereas the land Israel occupies was used in countless wars against Israel)?
Basically, the extreme-left now has a huge anti-semitism problem, and it leads to pathetic, bigoted hypocrites who just want an excuse to single out Jews/Israel while pretending to give a damn about peace or justice.
Israel should not be boycotted for having the "nerve" to exist and protect itself from crazy neighbors who deserve a boycott far quicker than Israel does.
I (ALL BY MYSELF) can boycott Israel, and I choose to do so for reasons that some might agree with and others say does not justify my action.
But this is MY action, at MY cost (deprivation of my custom is NOT a "cost"). As another commenter has noted, I am FORCED to support Israel through my US taxes and I am further FORCED NOT to do business with, say, Iran, which is a totally unjustified infringement of my rights.
The right to boycott Israel is one of the few rights left to me, and I claim it.
Intel is an international company with branches in Israel. It is far from certain whether the chip that Hawking uses was created or designed by Israelis. Moreover, I doubt that Intel is all that keen about this kind of attention by Shurat HaDin. In free countries, those in which one may call for a boycott of Israel, Shurat HaDin's atavistic approach may certainly lead to a call for a boycott of Intel until it ceases its activities in Israel. Naturally, this doesn't apply in Israel where anyone calling for a boycott runs the risk of hundreds of settlers prosecuting them and demanding up to NIS 30,000 ($8250) without having to prove actual damages.
One the most repulsive hasbara (Israeli propaganda) organisations, Shurat HaDin, is calling physicist Stephen Hawking a hypocrite for daring to boycott Israel while simultaneously using an Intel chip which is at the core of the system with which the handicapped physicist engages with the world . This chip, claims the lawfare organization organization, was manufactured in Israel. Thus, the brutes of Shurat HaDin suggest that if Hawking wants to be an honest man, he ought to shut the fuck up. This, in essence, is the emblematic Israeli response: shut your mouth when you criticize me.
No idiot. He hasn't sold out. He's just PRINCIPLED. Try it sometime.
The principles of apartheid, settler colonialism and armed occupation.
Even if we accept the assumption that Israeli technology is somehow indispensable to modern life – and I certainly do not buy this assumption – there is a conflation here between the activities of individual Israelis or Israeli companies and Israel's political pursuits. An American female blogger, whose name I have unfortunately forgotten, noted that this minor psychosis is really strange: when someone criticises the United States government, it does not occur to her to say "but we gave the world a whole range of Apple products!"
A blanket claiming credit for something they at best had a very marginal role in – the Intel i7 which at heart is an ATI design which Intel uses under license – is, anyway, a Silicon Valley product ! I recall another similar case of another one of their near-gods who used the theories of some shmuck called Lorenz and called them his own Special Theory of Relativity. Ripping people off is something these people are truly expert at. You can look all this up
Another politically correct censoring removing my earlier post ?
What else has Israeli genius given us – all of modern communications as well, maybe. Might as well concede that to them as well if you allow this type of blanket credit for something they had a marginal role in at best. The i7 Intel CPU is at heart an AMD design which Intel uses under license. Maybe AMD is also Israel then ? Boycott is a very effective economic weapon – else why are we using it against anyone displeasing to us ?
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Woman Of The Year: Lana Del Rey
By Jonathan Heaf 01 October 12
"Video Games" announced her arrival as a fully formed pop star, but it's the No.1 album, Ivor Novello award and GQaward that confirm the enigmatic-pneumatic bombshell is here to stay
In an expansive, gilded suite in the famous Hôtel de Paris, Monte-Carlo, Lana Del Rey, dressed in a simple grey hoodie, skinny dark-blue jeans and a crisp white T-shirt, sits down on the floor next to a perfectly vacant couch, lights a cigarette as slim as a Mikado stick and explains how pretty she thinks this part of the world is. "It's just the most beautiful place," she enthuses, breathlessly. "I knew it from the moment I saw it." Funny, I say, as Monaco's reputation for being a tax haven for the world's filthy rich brings with it a certain, well, contention. "Yes," smiles Del Rey, sharply. "But some people don't make any money."
I'm not quite sure what to make of this comment. Does she mean those of us who don't make enough cash to become tax refugees in this "exclusif" sunny state should either put up or shut up - or something else? For a split second, I'm thrown. I'm told Del Rey is prone to doing this - cutting unashamedly to the quick, speaking her mind no matter the consequences, not biting her tongue, laying it on the line. Some, like this writer, find it refreshing, others a little too confrontational. This isn't her intention at all; she's as sweet as a peach deep down. Reserved, even. If not a little weird. I don't mean "kooky" weird. Kooky is the wrong word as that makes her sound like the sort of girl who collects Hello Kitty lunchboxes, wears American Apparel body stockings and draws pictures of unicorns all day long - or someone like Lena Dunham from HBO's Girls. No, Del Rey is weird weird. Odd. Eccentric. Remarkable. A proper pop star. Not like you or me.
She's also exceptionally beautiful: the cascading, auburn hair,
those blown-out lips, the thick kohl-dipped lashes. Del Rey is sexy
but with a dreamy apartness, like an old-fashioned movie star whose
name you can't quite remember from a film whose title you can't
quite place. Forget the Day-Glo cartoonish eroticism of Nicki Minaj, the
geisha-cyber-punkiness of Lady Gaga and Rihanna's rude-girl swaggering - Del Rey is a very different sort of modern pop star. Her sex appeal is more refined. Grainier. Vintage-looking. Cloaked in a veneer of prissiness. She's beauty, Instagrammed. Part of Del Rey's charm is how such a projected innocence jars against lyrics that drip with a desire to be corrupted: "I heard you like the bad girls/Honey, is that true?" she sings. For a man, that sort of tease is magnetic.
As Del Rey puffs away cross-legged on the expensive hotel carpet, speaking her mind, she seems more content than maybe she has been for some time. It's little wonder she's feeling buoyant considering the news: last night in London she won an Ivor Novello award for her single "Video Games" - an honour artists crave, as it's vindication of their songwriting ability, awarded by their peers - and now she's been crowned GQ's Woman Of The Year. She's genuinely delighted: "Thank you. Just to have someone acknowledge the material I write is incredibly touching. It's an affirmation of sorts. I just didn't think that this was going to happen. Not any of it."
Fifteen months ago, the world fell in love with Lana Del Rey, or more accurately, the world fell in love with "Video Games"; a record that is about the minutiae of daily life resonating to mean something far greater, far darker. Throughout the song, Del Rey sings with a sort of resigned, melancholic subservience - "I'm in his favourite sundress/Watching me get undressed/ Take that body downtown" - her sophisticated lyrical ennui wafting in a sombre key against the sound of doomsodden harps and soaring strings. Although Del Rey insists it's about being in love and she's singing about being in the throes of a loving relationship, that's not how it comes across. Not at all. The whole record sounds elegiac - sort of a mourning song for a certain type of perceived American dream; the perfect fit for Del Rey's aesthetic.
"It's a song that I wrote with a boy named Justin Parker, a producer I met in London," she tells me. Del Rey uploaded the song, as is the modern way, on 29 June 2011. The video on her YouTube channel has been viewed more than 40 million times. Del Rey herself made it on her MacBook; composed of clips she found on the internet - vintage-looking Super 8 footage of skaters, pink roses bursting open proactively, Betty Boo cartoons, dappled sunlight over an LA canyon, the Hollywood sign, TMZ video footage of Paz de la Huerta stumbling away from the Chateau Marmont after the Golden Globes, visibly worse for wear. Occasionally Del Rey herself pops up, out of focus with beehive hair and beestung lips looking like a hipster Jackie O. Or an Abercrombie & Fitch model. If you watch the video with the sound off, as I've done, you'd think it a song about the trappings and fragility of fame, a yearning for a more golden, more dignified age of celebrity - knowing Del Rey (someone more aware of her image than perhaps any other pop star working today) such a tone is certainly no accident.
"It took me two hours to write," she explains of the track, to be found on her album Born To Die, released in January this year. "It was in the middle of a long writing process where I had moved to London. I was in the Sony Writing Room" - a creative sanctuary provided by the label that acts as a sort of boot camp for wannabe hit makers - "and Justin would write the chords and I would write the words and the melody. We'd written five songs and we took a rest. Then I started to write things that I especially loved, that were just perfectly tailored to me - 'Video Games' was one of them. No one thought much of it at the time; it was just pretty simple with one piano line. But I liked it right away. I knew. I have an instinct about these things. With songs or with people..."


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- Directed By Katie McWane.
- Produced By Chris Gifford, Valerie Walsh.
- Written By Ligiah Villalobos, Valerie Walsh, Chris Gifford.
- First Aired on December 22, 2005.
- Originally Aired on Nick, Jr. (USA), Treehouse TV (Canada).
- Running Time: 30 minutes.
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Davis found a throng of Indiana fans at Rupp Arena in Lexington, Ky., and pointed at then-IU president Myles Brand in the stands to thank him for hiring him in the wake of a 17-point comeback and 74-73 win.
"An unbelievable moment," said Fife, then an IU senior guard and now a Michigan State assistant coach. "It seems so long ago." ...


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Veteran continues mission to relay horrors of WWII to new generation
By TJ Jerke, Associated Press
July 28, 2011
WILLMAR — After he pledged to speak 400 times in 20 years about the horrors of World War II, Larry Tillemans hit his mark June 2. He continued his mission Wednesday afternoon at the Willmar Rotary Club meeting with his 408th speaking event.
Tillemans, of St. Joseph, spoke to a crowd of more than 100 in Willmar about his time in the service and the year he spent working in the courtroom as a clerk typist during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials in 1945.
"There is nobody left to talk about it," the 85-year-old Tillemans said. "You can't deny if there is somebody who has seen it — it carries a little more weight."
Tillemans sat through "the trial of the century" in Nuremberg, Germany, from 1945 to 1946 as 24 high-ranking officers of the Nazi party were tried in a series of trials for alleged war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity.
Tillemans said 360 witnesses took the stand during the 218 days that led to the convictions and eventual executions for some of the men who gave the orders to kill more than 10 million men, women and children.
"It was an eerie feeling for a 19-year-old kid walking in front of that group of guys," Tillemans told the crowd Wednesday at the Kandi Entertainment Center.
A 1944 graduate of Minneota High School, Tilleman, standing at 5 feet 9 inches tall weighing 145 pounds, told the Army he could type 42 words per minute and was soon assigned to the Third Army stationed in Dachau, Germany.
After the war, about 1,000 soldiers from the Third Army were sent to help at the trials — 20 of them as typists.
But it wasn't until 1991 when Tillemans got the call to begin his journey across Minnesota to help teach others about what took place during the Holocaust.
While spending one month in the Otter Tail County Jail for drunken driving, Tillemans said he had a vision of a Catholic priest who risked his life helping prisoners in the Dachau concentration camp.
Motivated by the priest, Tilleman quit drinking and pledged to speak 400 times because he said people should not forget and he was discouraged that schools teach very little about the war.
He has spoken at prisons, churches and many schools over the last 20 years. He said because of the graphic photos of dead and severely starved Jewish prisoners and the religious context he uses, that he has to tame down some of his school presentations, "and that disappoints me," he said.
"Everybody needs to know what took place," Tillemans said.
Tillemans, who spoke twice a week for 20 years, hit his 400th presentation on June 2 in Paynesville and will be in St. Paul today speaking to Jewish organizations about his experience during the war trials.
"What I get most out of it is being able to tell people about the horrors of war and the concentration camps," Tillemans said. "I really hope people don't forget."


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For best results, file nails in one direction, moving file at a slight angle. Use tip of tool to clean under nail. File stays clean and protected by folding it into its holder.
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This a strong, well designed file which also folds and compact for travel. Going to order two more for Christmas stocking stuffers. Like the previous reviewer said, it does have two sides....coarser on one side and smoother on the other side (although it would be nice if the sides were two different color shades). Really great that I can also use the straight edge of the file to smooth out the cuticles. Another great feature (which I just discovered) is that there is a groove on the top of the file which allows you to gently smooth out snags on the inside and outside tips of your nails. This feature is wonderful to square off nail tips precisely....just be careful because it can thin the tips of your natural nail too. I ALWAYS keep it handy when relaxing watching TV. Love it, love it, love it!
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I needed a good ceramic nail file and had been disappointed with the normal chain store ones available. I love the fact this folds into a compact size and easily fits into the smallest of my bags. The file has a smooth and coarse side which works well for my nails. I have normal not artificial fingernails, and a little thicker toenails. My only drawback on this product is I do need an additional file just to clean the dirt out!
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