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|Siim-Sander Vene produced a 15-point, 10-rebound double-double against Serbia to help Estonia stay in the hunt for a spot at EuroBasket 2013
Estonia stayed in the hunt for a EuroBasket place with an 88-81 win over Serbia on Saturday night.
The Baltic side got 19 points from Kristjan Kangur and as a team had 23 assists to just five for their opponents.
The result has left both sides with 5-4 records in Qualification Round Group A.
Serbia can still clinch a spot in the Final Round but now they need to defeat Israel in their last game on Tuesday, unless Estonia lose to Iceland and results elsewhere allow them to qualify with a 5-5 record.
Estonia, meanwhile, can still dream of playing in Slovenia.
They must win their last game against Iceland and hope that Israel prevail over Serbia in the Belgrade game.
In this case, Estonia would finish third in Group A at 6-4, just behind Israel, and after Saturday's results elsewhere in the Qualification Round this would be enough to make them one of the four best third-place teams and qualify to EuroBasket 2013.
In Saturday's clash, Serbia did lead by eight points late in the second quarter but Estonia reeled them back in and trailed 43-41 at half-time.
The key run in the contest for Estonia started when the contest was level at 68-68 2:15 into the last frame.
Gregor Arbet, Sten Sokk, Kangur, Siim-Sander Vene and Sokk again all scored in a 10-0 run that put them on top 78-68 with 4:02 remaining.
Serbia got to within five points but no closer the rest of the way.
Nenad Krstic finished with 20 points and nine rebounds for Serbia.
Serbia head coach Dusan Ivkovic:
"First I want to congratulate the Estonian team. They deserved this victory. The key point was to stop three-pointers and offensive rebounds. Estonia shot very well from the three-point line. Our defence was under expected level. The Estonian team was better."
Serbia player Milenko Tepic:
"I want to congratulate Estonia. They played very well. They made an eight-point difference and it was difficult for us. We didn't play well. I still believe we can take a victory against Israel at home. If we are lucky I think we can qualify."
Estonia head coach Tiit Sokk:
"We played our game. Three-pointers, that's our game. It's the first time we scored threes so well in an imoportant game. But we also found our men under the basket. We played well in offence too. Our guys did a good job, they played with spirit. We haven't lost hope to qualify, but it is not only up to us anymore."
Estonia player Gregor Arbet:
"It feels good! We played as a team and we fought for 40 minutes. We still have one more game to play and we cannot underestimate Iceland."


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Upper: Glenn Miller of Morris Chapel displays a John Deere tractor owned by his late son, Shane Miller, as well as two McCormick deering international gas engines from the '40s.
Lower: Ronnie Crosby and his granddaughter, Madison Austin, of Stantonville show off their Allis-Chalmers tractor from the '50s.
Relay for Life of Hardin County hosted an antique tractor show and lawn mower pull, put on by the Tennessee River Old Iron Antique Tractor Club, on Saturday at Carter Timber and Land Office Building outside Adamsville.
The show featured approximately 10 antique tractors, was attended by more than 200 people and raised $945.00 for the American Cancer Society, according to Veronica Miller, Chair for the Relay for Life of Hardin County Committee.
Also on display was a collection of lawn mowers from the early '60s and '70s, brought by the County Line Lawn Mower Pullers of Baldwin, Miss. and Krazy Kreations from Stantonville, Tenn.
Tickets were also sold for a chance to win a professional lawn mower puller built by Raymond Miller, the creator behind Krazy Kreations in Stantonville. It was won by Robert McCasland of Savannah.
The Tennessee River Old Iron Antique Tractor Club was established approximately 12 or 13 years ago. Today, it consists of about 25 members who meet once a month on Friday nights. They participate in 12 to 15 tractor shows, parades, and festivals a year in Tennessee, northwestern Alabama and northeastern Mississippi.
"We just like to preserve the farming history, old tractors and equipment," said club president Dickey Meek.
The oldest tractor in the show was a 1939 Model V John Deere. Many kinds of tractors and even engines and equipment were showcased, ranging from the '30s to modern day.
Raymond Miller, who is a member of both the Tennessee River Old Iron and the County Line Lawn Mower Pullers commented, "We just enjoy showing our tractors and telling people about them."
The American Cancer Society research program, which began in 1946, is the largest source of private, not-for-profit cancer research funds in the United States. The organization uses community-based services to enhance the quality of life for cancer patients and their families. More information about these services is available by calling 1-800-ACS-2345 or by visiting www.cancer.org.
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Walking the Nile with Captain Levison Wood - Sea of Sand
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With the problems of South Sudan now well behind him, Captain Levison Wood, aged 32 of Cheadle Road, Forsbrook, is back on track to complete his 4250 mile epic journey to walk the length of the River Nile in Africa.
Travelling forever north, not only has the landscape changed dramatically but so has the weather.
The damp, humid, energy sapping conditions which Levison has become so familiar with since the start of the journey have now altered to being even hotter yet much drier as he enters the desert wastelands of Sudan.
With mid day temperatures in excess of 40c, the daily trek is broken into two halves. Beginning at sunup Levison and his co walker, guide and translator Moez commence their journey until around 10am and again late in the afternoon till sundown.
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Access to drinking water is essential for the expedition to succeed and the need to carry in excess of 12 litres per person for each day has forced Levison to enlist a variety of modes of transport in the form of donkeys and camels to carry their supplies.
The two intrepid explorers think nothing of covering 30k each day, while filming their progress for a forthcoming Channel 4 series to be shown later this year.
Levison has sent to this newspaper the following extracts taken from his expedition diary for readers to enjoy his recent exploits. Day 151 – Sudan: Groundhog Day
"Today marks five months on the road and I am now over halfway through the expedition having covered almost 2500 miles.
"The weeks on the road are starting to merge together into a sort of continual blur, where faces appear to be the same and so do some of the places.
"The journey which still remains amazing has already taken on so many different dimensions that the new challenges we will face in the Sudan no longer appear that daunting.
"The threat of rain has finally passed and the most annoying issue at the moment are rogue scorpions which find their way into my boots with some regularity.
"Checking my rapidly wearing footwear for stinging hitchhikers is becoming a frequent morning routine.
"The biggest challenges we are due to face are now most definitely physical.
"Exertion in the extreme heat and the mental drain of passing through an unchanging, lifeless landscape is a mind numbing experience which can cause you to fall asleep even whilst walking.
"Taking your eyes from a safe route through the desert can lead the unsuspecting traveller into pools of hidden quicksand which tragically can be fatal. It is wise to stay alert.
"Tonight as usual, Moez and I are camped out under the stars, but this particular evening we have found a bed in the forecourt of a petrol station.
"The early part of the evening is spent resting our aching limbs on a string bed whiler listening to the gentle symphony produced by the humming sound of diesel generators somewhere in the distant darkness.
"He tells me over mint tea that things will become more interesting north of Khartoum and promises dinosaur fossils, prehistoric rock art as well as gold mines.
"Being a Nubian and proud of his culture our conversation turns to the building of dams on the Nile, which he believes will destroy his country and its people.
"On a more mundane note our latest donkey, James Augustus Grant, appears to be holding out reasonably well, but less so than the cart he pulls which managed to get two flat tyres today. "This meant a long, endless, heavy haul for five miles to nearest repair shop where we take this welcome break." Day 153: Sudanese Birthday
"As we arrive in yet another unpronounceable Sudanese village, I spot what looks like an internet café, so taking the opportunity to phone my family back in Forsbrook I find with joy an immediate connection and someone at home.
"The familiar and welcome voices of my mother and father wish me a 'Happy Birthday' over the crackling line.
"Telling me that it's raining back home, my thoughts turn to the green fields that line Cheadle Road and the distant hills that surround Dilhorne.
"With their recently arrived present of some new walking socks my day is almost complete, for this is the driest birthday I've had since I was at school at Painsley High and I'm not just referring to the landscape.
"Sudan's Sharia Law means that there's no alcohol over here, so my unforgettable 32nd birthday party involved some sweet chai, a donkey and the (very long) Sudanese version of Happy Birthday played on a drum by my trusty guide, Moez. Eid milad sa'aid to me." Day 158 – Sudan: Sandstorms & Camels
"We finally arrived into Khartoum after 12 days walking from the border, and were greeted by a blinding sandstorm that blasts through your clothes.
"My dream of encountering the confluence of the Blue and White Nile came and went with some disappointment, as I have to say there's not much difference in colour.
"Khartoum is the largest Sudanese city with an estimated population of over five million people.
"It is actually three cities built into one, with the sub city of "Omdurman placed where the two rivers meet.
"The city is very busy, litter strewn and although the opportunity to rest for two days is welcome I shall be glad to head back on the road and into the desert.
"With our donkey Grant obviously feeling the effects of daily walking, we decide to sell him at the market and replace him for the more familiar ship of the desert.
"The transaction becomes a wallet wounding experience, for he has been replaced by not one, but 3 camels.
"We have appropriately named them Burton, Speke and Gordon.
"The camel market was a chaotic maelstrom of shouting, screaming and back slapping with insults being traded more frequently than animals.
It took ages to negotiate a price, but we ended up with a fair deal, or so I am assured and with the assistance of the head of the camel market we gain yet another invaluable member of the team.
"His name is Bala and he will be a great asset to us as he knows the next part of the route very well and where to find water away from the Nile as well as how to look after the camels." Day 164 – Sudan: The 6th Cataract
"The camels are surprisingly quick, especially under the command of our two new recently recruited assistant camel wranglers, Awad and Ahmad.
"In similar manner to the wild west cowboys of old, they constantly soothe the animals wild temperament by singing catchy Arabic desert songs.
"The ever changing menu of songs provide a welcome diversion to the daily toil and I find myself humming along with them.
"As we approach the 4000 kilometres marker, the first signs of the burningly hot Sahara Desert lie ahead, stretching before us towards the endless red horizon.
"A featureless vision of nothing but sand and rock, waterless and devoid of life is upon us for the next few weeks ahead. How different from back home.
"Looking like a biblical caravan from the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam our rapidly expanding group plod onwards into this limitless sea of sand.
"The river Nile in this part of Sudan runs through some narrow gorges called cataracts where the river boils into white water before slowing into a calm tranquil shallow.
"With six of these obstacles to encounter before we reach Egypt, they pose an obstruction but will enable us to measure our location and distance covered on a map bereft of familiar features and landmarks. The walking continues." Readers may wish to follow Captain Levison Wood's adventures through the desert on Walking the Nile @ Channel 4 or on Facebook/ Twitter


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A twice-stolen singer and two original members of Team Shakira advanced to the finals on The Voice Monday night.
Tess Boyer, the stolen one, continued her improbable journey on The Voice after singing "Human" in the Monday night playoffs and being described as "superhuman" by Usher.
Kristen Merlin turned in a spirited rendition of Carrie Underwood's "Two Black Cadillacs."
And Dani Moz, who turned just one chair with her blind audition, also made the finals with an emotional performance of Lady Gaga's "Edge of Glory."
As they advanced to the finals, Deja Hall and Patrick Thompson were eliminated on Monday's show.
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Dear all,
I am a student.And recently, I have join in this forum for a newbeis.I am interested in "Create DOS for your XP", because I want to use ghost.exe to restore windows from DOS.
So lucky, I have found post on other site guide how to do this, but I've just found only the step. I don't how where to get these file especailly the sysXPfat.com (sys.com, debug.exe, read.scr, sysXPfat.com, bootpart.exe), because I want to learn from you.
Because I used to see some one do like this in boot.ini
[boot loader]
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\ = "Microsoft Windows"
and after restart, he goes to C:\cd ghost.exe. But that time I was too weak to do that.
Please let me know.
Thanks, I am looking forward to hearing from you.I hope to learn more from you.
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Do you really think we know all the internet and can guess WHERE you read that ?
I have found post on other site guide how to do this,
And yes, we can .
but that is 2004, there are much easier ways by now (typically using a DOS floppy or superfloppy image mapped with grub4dos).
If you state what your GOAL is (as opposed to the way you think you should reach it) there may be even further ways.
Please take note of these too:
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It's getting really hard to settle on a starting lineup for this entry every week. Usual 3-4-3 and subs (which by the way is loaded this week) and we had to leave of several midfielders as well. Could have gone with an entire second (or third) string midfield with Graham Zusi, Dax McCarthy, Andrew Jacobson, Tony Cascio, Brad Davis...
Anyway, on to the fifth MLS Team of the Week:
Coach of the Week – Peter Vermes (Sporting KC) – Someone finally figured out how to stop Montreal and Vermes was elected into the US Soccer Hall of Fame alongside former USMNT and NE Rev striker Joe Max Moore.
Captain's Armband – MID Will Johnson (POR Timbers) – Helped the Timbers overcome a 0-2 deficit early in the second half with a double, the equalizer coming from the spot.
GK Raul Fernandez (FC Dallas) – The Revs didn't have a lot of attacks against Dallas, but when they did Fernandez came up huge, especially in the second half as Dallas stole three points late.
FOR Mike Magee (LA Galaxy) – For a guy who doesn't score a lot of goals, he sure scores a lot of goals. Add an MLS Player of the Month trophy to his cabinet as well.
FOR Conor Casey (PHI Union) – The big man scored a goal directly off a long throw in. True story, glad to see him back on the pitch, he's one of my favorite strikers.
FOR Claudio Bieler (Sporting KC) – If this guy gets going, the rest of MLS is going to be in serious trouble and SKC already seem to be clicking on all cylinders right now.
MID Benny Feilhaber (Sporting KC) – I don't remember Benny having a game like that in New England…but I've probably just blocked his entire Revs career from my mind.
MID Carlos Alvarez (Chivas USA) – His deflected cross/shot turned into the opening own goal and was involved in the build up for the second goal as well. The story for the UConn rookie on SuperDraft day was he was being selected because of his Mexican-American heritage. Nonsense, this kid can play.
MID Luis Gil (Real Salt Lake) – Tremendous finish from a designed play of a corner, youngster is quickly proving he can play week in and week out with the big boys.
DEF George John (FC Dallas) – The organized defense from FC Dallas kept the Revs attack at bay all game.
DEF Jermaine Taylor (HOU Dynamo) – This guy has been playing lights out for both Houston and Jamaica recently.
DEF Matt Belser (Sporting KC) – Sporting KC is on a bit of a shutout streak right now and shutouts are becoming commonplace in Sporting Park.
SUB Thierry Henry (NY Red Bulls) – It should be illegal to have him come off the bench, he could find the back of the next in his sleep. World. Class. Finisher.
SUB Jose Villareal (LA Galaxy) – This kid is going to be scoring goals for a very long time.
SUB Blas Perez (FC Dallas) – Perfectly placed header in the late stages and Dallas steals three points…not that I'm bitter or anything, I'm a huge fan of the Panamanian striker.


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On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton, a noted climate change skeptic, gave a presentation at Bethel University in St. Paul, MN. In this 4 minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty, scheduled to be signed in Copenhagen in December 2009.
Lord Monckton served as a policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher. He has repeatedly challenged Al Gore to a debate to which Gore has refused. Monckton sued to stop Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" from being shown in British schools due to its inaccuracies. The judge found in-favor of Monckton, ordering 9 serious errors in the film to be corrected. Lord Monckton travels internationally in an attempt to educating the public about the myth of global warming.


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Kid-Safe Chemicals Act: 10 Americans
A few years ago, The Environmental Working Group (EWG) took a sample of blood from 10 Americans and tested it for toxicants. What they found was shocking. For starters, the number of toxicants ... 287 different chemicals total with roughly 200 chemicals per person just from this one blood sample. They were also shocked to discover the types of chemicals they were finding: waste byproducts, volatile organic compounds (VOCs), consumer product ingredients, pesticides, and even 212 industrial chemicals and pesticides that have been banned in the U.S. for 30 years. But by far, the most disturbing factor of this study is that the EWG took these blood samples from 10 unborn American babies. That's right, 10 babies still growing and developing in the womb, swimming in a bath of over 200 toxic chemicals.
The video above is a presentation given by Ken Cook, founder of the Environmental Working Group, regarding the 10 Americans study. At 20 minutes it's longer than your average video snippet. But it's worth every minute of your time. So go carve out 20 minutes and watch this video about the chemicals our children are exposed to before they are even born ... and what you can do to prevent it.
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Mayor Halverson with Mrs. Wisconsin 2013 Jamie Valeri on July 17 at the Family Crisis Center in Stevens Point in front of the truck that delivered eight mattress sets to a local family helped by the Crisis Center.
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Jamie Valeri, Mrs. Wisconsin America 2013, visited CAP Services' Family Crisis Center in Stevens Point on July 17 to make a donation.
Valeri is the owner and operator of Today's Furniture Advantage, which has locations in Stevens Point and Appleton. She extended her company's "Silent Night: Give a Child a Bed" Program to the Crisis Center, with an initial donation of eight new mattress sets to the victims of violence the FCC serves.
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The new Audi A3 will start nearly $5000 below the model it replaces as the German company responds to an aggressive pricing strategy by rival Mercedes-Benz.
Audi Australia has announced the next-generation Audi A3 luxury hatchback will start from the exactly the same price as the new A-Class – $35,600.
The company admits it has to be competitive in the luxury small-car segment, but says the A3's move to a new modular platform shared with the likes of the Volkswagen Golf has allowed significant cost savings that can be passed on to consumers.
"When the new A3 Sportback arrives in Australia, the value equation will represent one of the most significant restructures a premium segment has ever seen," said Audi Australia's newly appointed boss Andrew Doyle.
The base Audi A3 is a 1.4 TFSI that produces 90kW from its 1.4-litre engine.
Audi isn't revealing pricing for the rest of the range until the model's May launch but three other initial engines comprise a 132kW 1.8-litre turbo petrol, 77kW 1.6-litre turbo diesel and 110kW 2.0-litre turbo diesel.
Audi is also following the Mercedes A-Class by making all A3 models at launch standard with a dual-clutch automatic transmission.
In the last quarter of 2013, Audi Australia will expand the A3 range with a 1.4-litre petrol engine with cylinder-deactivation technology that can allow the hatch to run on two cylinders in certain situations.
The Audi S3 Sportback will become the hero model of the line-up, with a 221kW 2.0-litre turbo helping the hot-hatch reach 100km/h from standstill in 5.0 seconds.
The Audi A3 will be offered with a selection of packages that will allow buyers an element of customisation to focus the interior more on comfort, sportiness or technology.
A Technik package, for example, that will cost in the vicinity of $3000 will offer satellite navigation and a multimedia touch control that is a smaller interpretation of the writing touchpad seen in Audi's higher-end luxury models the A8 limo and A7 Sportback.
Late 2013 will also see the Audi A3 become available with in-car wifi hotspot and Google Earth integration.
The S3 is totally awesome. The rest of the lineup – meh.
"the A3's move to a new modular platform shared with the likes of the
Volkswagen Golf has allowed significant cost savings that can be passed
on to consumers." It is only because of Mercedes that it WILL be passed onto the consumer.
It just confirmed what we all knew. Audi is over-priced.
To also help with the "alleged price reduction" you can pretty well guarantee the Audi will have way less standard goodies than the Merc too. The old give with one hand and take with the other routine.
Can we all thank Korea & Thailand for allowing this to happen.
Of course the only cost is to our own Automotive Manufacturing Sector.
Um no, we should thank Benz and the A-class for allowing this to happen.
^ some how i dont think any cars coming out of Korea and Thailand are influencing this, as nothing from those two countries rivals these cars.
You don't cross shop between an i30 and an A3.
Slore & Al Wal believe it or not but what's happening in Asia is having a massive effect on the entire market. Luxury brands just cant justify the prices they've been selling cars for in the past.
Probably more a case of Volkswagen's Golf having dominated the 'sell up' of the Golf…
With all the reductions in premium brand's pricing of Hatchbacks it will be interesting to see Golf's strategy once the Mk7 launches here.
VW isn't a Lux brand in Australia their cheap and cheerful drive away pricing and cheap finance is a testament to that. All brands are reacting to the cheap end of town not the high end.
You guys are acting like MB is synonymous for their tight profit margins and competitive relative pricing in Australia. Yeah right, they've been forced into this change just like every other euro brand on the market, and about time too.
i hate the term luxury – it's a line in the sand and meaningless to talk about
forced into? its company growth, good for shareholders and profits…. ya know…. captalism? i dont think it has anything to do with cheap cars from asia, more like the euro's are moving into the cheaper markets to steal sales away from the "standard" manufacturers, as everyone else is doing the opposite and moving into the "high end" market, think hyundai's luxury cars, ford and GM both saying they want to go global with Caddy and lincoln, toyota with lexus, nissans infinifi, the british are making some very nice cars these days (though german owned, the british cars still steal sales away from the parent companys) and dont forget the 50 luxury brands china will introduce in the next 6 seconds, i guess your kinda right they are being forced to be more competitive, but lol, it has nothing to do with thailand or oz.
no you definitely don't! if you compare the i30 and a3 its like comparing a vegetable to a car!
A bit like comparing your Polo to a car… Can't be done.
I think the i30 is luxe and prestige compared to the austere A3.
Why would you want either?
I also think that the global economic slowdown as the co-driver to this. Less people are buying luxury things and the appeal of increasingly hi-tech Jap/Korean offer the same value for less price. e.g. we now get heated seats, Cameras, xenons as options in these cars, as opposed to back then its only for the expensive euro cars.
Obviously in its own market it needed one of the prestige makes to fire the first round, which happened to be Mercedes, watch BMW and Lexus soon drop their prices accordingly.
I think the price will be the only thing that matches the A class
Winning comment! I agree!
Its hard to tell, judging by UK reviews theyre pretty close…
definitely, how can they compare a rebadged golf to an A-class…
Gudonya nugsdad – how succinct can you get.
$35.6k for a car with a 1.4L engine? Get stuffed. How much of a wannabe do you have to be to buy the base model? lol
VW car owners.
Buy it and chip it!
Lol you are so unaware
agreed Dave W has no idea. The 1.2 in the heavier golf matches most cars on the market for performance let alone the 1.4 in an even light car again… Turbo is the way of the future. Just bought an octavia 118TSI. what a fantastic car and absolutely hammers along…
completely agree, my polo tsi goes magnificently!
The Polo is much smaller and lighter.
And its s**t
If I have no idea, then why did you buy the 118TSI instead of the 90TSI? Which I think is the same engine as the 1.4L engine in that base model Audi.
lol turbo is the way of the future? … wiped the floor with a fabia 77tsi in a 10 year old out of tune sp20….. i dont get why you fan boys and reviewers like them so much, ive been a passanger in that fabia… nice little cars, more interesting then their relative cousins i think, but that particular engine? their just so diesel, torque torque torque torque, no top end power, pass.
How about a 1.8 Toyota engine in a Lotus Exige for 100K, you must be laughing at that too.
You're seriously comparing the 1.8L stock Toyota engine with the supercharged version found in the Exige? Really?
Err there's the exige and the exige s, one with and one without supercharging. And yes they are both Toyota engines in a 100k car. And even then its barebones so really you don't get much car for 100k
Fair enough. But it's still not the average Toyota 1.8L engine anyway. It's a 141kW engine with high lift cam, enough to get the car go from 0-100 in less than 5secs.
The car itself is a track weapon so I don't see how you can compare it to a mainstream commuter, albeit an expensive one, like the A3.
Let's face it. People would only buy the base A3 for the badge and that makes them wannabes.
In my view, $35k can buy you other cars with plenty of features. Golf 118TSI only cost $32k. GTI only cost $5k more from the base A3. Why would you pick the base A3 over these cars? The badge, that's why.
I was referring to your first post "$35.6k for a car with a 1.4L engine?" which is implying a small engine means it should be priced low. and replying with a statement that the Lotus has a small engine and such a High price asking for it.
I agree going for the pov pack shows how much it plays on desire of emotion and self esteem rather than getting what its worth, and thats the merits of luxury brands really.
Well, is there a sports car with the same 1.4L engine found in the A3 that can do 0-100 under 5 seconds like the Lotus Exige?
Toyota Corolla is a hatchback. Lotus Exige is a purebred sports car. Golf 90TSI with the same 1.4L engine is a hatchback, the A3 is just a more expensive rebodied Golf. Not a fair comparison I'm afraid. There's a big difference in PERFORMANCE between the Corolla and Exige, while there's only an intangible PRESTIGE to differentiate the Golf and A3.
You see, the people with deep pockets will go for AT LEAST the 1.8L variant if not the S3. The wannabes would probably be at their limit or even have to stretch their budget to buy the base 1.4L.
My question is, why spend $35.6k on a car with only 1.4L when you can get more for your money? The answer is of course because of the badge.
It's a badge deal. 1.4 will struggle with a car this size. Remember we're talking something bigger than a TS Astra and as heavy. People whinged about the 1.8 and this has less power. If that's to old think of the Cruze and how the 1.8 goes in that.
The TS Astra (know as a Opel Astra "G") was sold overseas with a 48KW/110NM 1.2 litre engine, 55KW/118NM 1.6 and a 50KW/132NM diesel. The 1.8 & 2.2 engines we got were the most powerful in the Astra arsenal (and the only ones with a auto available for lazy Australians).
You'd probably find the Europeans drove faster in their 1.2 Astra's than Aussies do with the 1.8/2.2 and of course the European models were manual only.
This A3 has a earlier power peak, extra 40NM of torque across a very broad 1500-4000rpm range plus a extra gear ratio so will be far more responsive in normal driving than a Ts Astra.
How fast do you think the average driver goes in Australia? Off the lights, your looking about about 12-15 secs 0-60kmh (just time how fast the typical clear traffic flow is) whilst a 1.8 Crude will go 0-60kmh in half that time. Then on the highway, most drivers will max at around 120kmh, many people will never have ever driven over say 140kmh let alone cruise at that speed, yet a 1.8 Crude can do around 200kmh.
Obviously some people want more performance and those people will not be looking at this base model A3 or a 1.8 Crude will they?
Firstly those engines wouldn't be acceptable in this country. Which is why they aren't here. The issue is driveability. The Opel 1.8 is quite a good engine in the right car, but when asked to load around a lump, driveability goes out the window. You have to thrash it and lose economy and it becomes harsh. Like anything that is underpowered having to lug around a lump just like the A3.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the driveability of the A3 or the 1.8 Ts Astra. Perhaps there is something wrong with the way you drive.You don't have to thrash them to keep up with traffic. If you thrashed one of these 1.4 A3's off the traffic lights, you'd be first off %99 of the time. If you thrashed it along the freeway, you'd be doing 50kmh+ over the 100kmh speed limit.
The main reason those smaller engines didn't come here in the Astra was due to a lack of auto gearbox and most Australians can't seem to handle a manual. Now that more automatics are being designed for cars, Australia is now getting more of the economy focused engines like this A3 one.
Plus this A3 has 200NM from 1500rpm-4000rpm, so you don't need to "thrash it" to get the best torque.
Try going to Italy, thousands of motorists driving cars with puny engines, yet moving along at higher speeds (City gridlock excluded) than Australians do.
How old are you anyway? Do you think Australians drive faster now than they did in the 1980s? They don't – if anything Australians drive SLOWER now than they do in the 1980s and back in the 80s, people were cars like VB Crummer with just 66KW in a SIX CYLINDER – a power to weight ratio far worse than this 90KW A3 and it had to go through a 3 speed gearbox!
Exactly, I dont get why people complain so much about it, theres people who don't need to drive hard etc and theres people who do, and theres an Engine in the A3 lineup catered for that.
You are deliberately missing the point. Or something medically is wrong with you. Cars in the eighties didn't have the pollution gear we have now, power steering, or the air as standard, or any number of other things. I stated that the 1.8 was good in the Astra but the Cruze which is the size of your beloved Commodore it is struggling which is why they are going to drop it, (and about the size of the A3)
The A3 isn't a small car, you may like to think it is but have a look at the specs. Another thing if you are right, why aren't their more wheezers on the road.
Driving conditions have changed for sure. Cars are faster more advanced with more equipment for the engine to power. Loading up a turbo tiddler is not the way to go. The only reason they put those out in Europe is Tax and government regulations. They still have a vast majority of more usable powerful engines.
You clearly aren't old enough to have been around in the 80s and/or are lacking in knowledge. Catalytic converters became MANDATORY in the 80s, nearly all cars had power steering in the 80s and most cars had air conditioning in the 80s. All of those things combined would only suck about %5 of the car's power anyway. Besides, even if a lack of all that equipment wasn't slowing down the older cars, a 3 speed gearbox compared to a 6 speed would more than make up for it.
How am I missing the point? You haven't even provided a point. All you've said is the engine will struggle. How? According to Wheels Magazine the 1.4 does 0-100kmh in 9.5 secs. That's similar performance to the top sellers in this country like Crapolla, Crude, Lamcer, i30 etc and there are obviously thousands of those "wheezers" on the road. It then goes on to about 200kmh. What percentage of the Australian population drive anywhere near 200kmh?
You've got no idea. Cats came in 86, mass use of power steering wasn't really till the 90s, air con was still an option on most cars till the 90's gear boxes were 4 speeds in auto. from at least 82. So what are you talking about? Mid 70s, or 80s. Either way you are wrong you just don't understand.
Let me put it simply, who wants to pay up wards of $40K for four circles with a little motor when you can have any number of other better cars either for the same money or less. Same with the Merc, there is nothing about either car that makes it a better buy than any number of other cars. Especially not a little turbo motor.
I can see what your doing huwtm. Focusing on the little things like trying to argue about when power steering became in "mass use". All diversionary tactics to try and avoid the fact that your wrong.
By the way, the best selling car in Australia right through the 1980s was the Ford Falcon and it was a 3 speed auto right up untill the end of 1989. Also power steering became standard from 1986 and as you said, Cats became standard in 1986. All in the 1980s as I said. So what you arguing about?
Why not focus the argument on the 0-100kmh time of this car? 9.5 secs is right on average and the same as many top selling cars.
Why not focus the argument on general traffic flow/speeds? They have only gotten worse over time, so people don't need fast cars.
No, stick with your cowardly diversionary arguments like your brand new one about how there are better cars out there for the money (hint: this discussion was about this car having sufficient performance, not it's overall value for money).
There's nothing cowardly about it I was answering the above rant from Jgh. And yes the falcon had a three speed but most overs had 4. power steering was still an option on most cars up to about 89 / 90. I don't consider 9.5 adequate by today's standards. I suppose the more wheeze boxes we get out here from Europe the slower they will go so it will become the norm. I think most people would consider that to be a slow time at the moment. Seeing a Kia or Cruze can pretty much stomp on it, It is pretty slow.
Yep, there are those diversionary tactics again. Focusing on 3 speed gearboxs and power steering instead of the REAL discussion topic.
The market disagrees with you about a 9.5 sec 0-100kmh time being inadequate. As I already mentioned, but you failed to address, all the top sellers in this country are in that performance area. Lamcer, i30, Mazda3 Crapolla all run to 100kmh around 9.5 secs – some approaching 11 secs for autos/CVTs. Kia Cerato and Crude are also in that area despite being "stomped on" and your contradictory earlier comment that the Crude was underpowered(now its suddenly a lot quicker?). None of those cars are from Europe either.
People aren't buying these cars for drag racing you know.
You also keep ignoring the fact that traffic flow and speed limits are slower, so why would people want faster cars only to drive them slower?
Of course this A3 comes with more powerful engine options, but you'll find – as with most cars – the most popular engine choice will be the smallest one.
But no matter, back to your procrastinating about what equipment cars had in the 1980s.
Get real 99% of people here despite what you think, want more power under their bonnet. You obviously haven't read the story about the new Cruze. I think it interesting that you resort to using childish words to name certain cars.
There are going to be social climbers like yourself who want a badge at all costs even if it means getting a peddle car. Not everyone spends all their time driving in city traffic. The majority in fact commute by train or bus from the rim of the city. Areas where those city conditions don't exist for the most part.
Another interesting side light to your attempts to convince people they don't actually want some power under their bonnet – is that these cars are built for a purpose to skirt tax and meet a government mandated rule in Europe. This is NOT Europe. Additionally, I watch a German Car show and they don't see a difference between the A3 and the Golf. Euro prices are near identical.
I come back to the point, only a mindless social climbing fool would try and justify an under powered vehicle on the basis of it's badge. I suggest you start reading tests else where on this site and others and catch up with the real world.
I cannot believe you are dragging the TS Astra 1.8L into this – the engine that dates back to the late 1980s!
I'm assuming you must own one then? We have the AH Astra, which was the same 1.8L in the last power increase before being rolled off Holden showrooms… and as fast as it might be off the go, it is no powerhouse and definitely doesn't win any drags. But my my 50yo+ father, it does just fine.
Having driven a 1.4 Turbo Golf with 7sp DSG, I'm struggling to see where you need to thrash it? It has so much torque and a super-fast DSG gearbox that I was honestly impressed with how well it took off. To the point where you could almost lose traction into 2nd gear – in a DSG! And this coming from me; someone who has owned quite a few hot hatches (all Manual).
Glad you LOVE Opel, but they really aren't comparable to Audi. Maybe Volkswagen, but even then you buy Opel with your head because it 'makes sense' and is better value… but may not be the best car.
Gee what's up with your fifty year old father? that's not old yet you are talking about him like he has one foot in the grave. So he's not long for this world?
The Astra 1.8 was an example of how an engine can be different if essentially the same from one size of car to the other, going from Astra to Cruze. Not smart enough to work it out, huh?
The primary issue is why pay 36 K for a bottom of the line car with an under powered engine – remember that motor is adequate in a Polo which is a third smaller – when you can buy cars with better equipment and better engines and better designs for less money or the same at worst.
If you are a badge snob admit and stop littering the page.
By the way Audi are VW they run the same mechanicals have the same build quality, just an even more boring design. Wake up.
No no, but I'm saying that the TS Astra's 1.8L engine has nothing on anyone. It is old tech.
The Astra's AH and TS was never raved on about, and that has also transferred into the Cruze.
Have you driven the 1.4Turbo? I doubt it – the car has sufficient power and torque to get it going. 90kW is only slightly down on some of the 1.8L engines still going in current hatchbacks, but the 200Nm from as little as 1,500rpm means that combined with the DSG there is no issue getting it going.
Definitely not a brand snob either. I value all cars on their merits.
The A3 needs a supercharged V8!
But if I don't have at least 200KW, how can I zoom to the front of the left-hand-turn lane and cut in front of all the suckers who have been queuing for 10 minutes?
Wow, interesting news. It certainly doesn't have the style of the A class or the dynamics of the 1 series but is still a nice car. As one reviewer in the UK noted "no longer the grandma's Audi" haha.
One thing that stands out of the Audi, is their use of LED's theyve always done it right, especially with teh new models, its almost like a modest Halo outlining the headlight shape rather than the vulgar spots in a row in the most random places most other manufacturers do.
its the perfect allrounder in the class!
Manual seems to be a dying breed in small luxury hatches, except over at BMW.
Oh no its only a matter of time before BMW drops the Manual. You wait and see.
Only in Australia. Standard manual across the range overseas.
This makes their run-out deal on the old A3 even worse…
I doubt any of these will actually be sold at the price above..
Even if they do. Imagine how under specced they'd be.
They sold plenty of them at the higher price with the previous model.
With a host of new technology and better chassis, there is no reason why they can't compete with the lower entry cost.
Americans wouldn't stand for the prices we pay here. We're pushovers. The day that $36K for a small hatchback with a gutless engine sounds cheap to our ears is a sad day.
Americans would love our wages and health care. There's so much more to this than mere dollar parity, I'm sure, but I can't go further than this because I'm not an economist. If there are any economists here, speak up!
I'm not an economist, but if you're saying that it's OK to charge us more because we (on average only) earn more than residents of the US, then you are entitled to your view but I don't think this is fair. A restaurant doesn't ask how much you earn and charge accordingly for the same food.
Some higher prices due to higher retail costs (ie higher rents for dealerships, higher salaries for staff) would be justified, as would a premium for the smaller market and economies of scale (although given the concentration of Australia's population this could be marginal – I'd be interested in dealership v population stats..).
Then again, as long as Aussies keep buying these products at inflated prices, the dealers are free to charge whatever they want. I feel there are too many "enablers" out there who value a badge over everything else and this is the real cause of the higher prices.
Hit the nail absolutely on the head Bob. It's no use complaining prices are too high for anything because, the vendor will always want to maximise his profit and if people are foolish enough to pay what he asks – why should he reduce his price. The day when you can go into a Euro showroom and make them an offer is hopefully not too far away.
I'm not poor nor mean but I refuse to pay more than $4 for a coffee. I always ask the price and if it is more than $4 I walk out.
Of course there's more. One big one for example is Economies of scale, another is Country in Isolation and distance.
Country isolation and distance is nothing. It doesn't cost any more to send a Clio to Oz as it does a Porcshe 911. The Clio will be marginally dearer than it is in Europe when it gets here whilst the Porsche will double in price. It's all greed, not economies of scale.
Im not talking about the cost of shipping, its more the distance and why bother factor if you sell cars the same price in the US / Europe, and remember production of 911's are much more limited than the clio.
Isolation + economies of scale has alot to do with it actually. And you mention corporate greed which is also in the mix which I didn't mention actually.
Heres an example,
Porche produces lets say 1000 911's per year
Demand from US per year is 500
China is another 500
Europe is another 500
SEAsia is 300
Australia 80
Australia being the furthest and having least demands, you say why would I bother selling the 911 to there when I can make up for it to places closer, with more shipping routes/options hence being cheaper to send, so the SEAsian division goes hey we can give you a higher margin by dropping the demand to 150 by jacking up the price by lets say 30% making it profitable to send cars this way.
Then you have Australia even further away making their case, saying well we can drop to 30 certain demands and jack up by 50% so please send us some this way instead of sending it to all to SEAsian as we can offer a better margin yet again.
What you aren't taking into account is that these things like any other car from Europe is brought out on a bulk carrier with a lot of other cars. thus making the cost negligible In Australia as an example it costs a car yard $50.00 to move a car from one end of the country to the other. Same with bringing it by ship. You also have to take into account the fact that it's not just us, New Zealand and South Africa as well get RHD and cars prepared to fit the highest standard will fit anyone of these countries. With modern assembly lines it isn't an issue any way. A computer has a pick list for a certain country and they built what is needed, when required. Cost are very low.
Yes with other cars not from the same company,
So lets say on one ship you bring 1 shipment of a 911, and 50 Clios, which means it will be more cost effective in bulk for Renault to ship across. theres no flat rate per car we are talking here. So for Porche it adds to the markup to the margin they sell here, as you need take account the yearly operating costs for the business to run here in aus.
As I said the Economies of Scale is the biggest one:
Example. all number are probably way off but just think about the demand and how it really affects.
Lets say…
Porche spends 5,000,000 per year operating here in Aus
Renault spends 10,000,000
Porche only sells 30 a year here,
Renault sells 2000 a year here,
WIthout taking account tax, Porche needs to take into account $166,666 is needed to break even per car
Whereas Renault only $5000.
While what you are saying makes sense JooberJCW, in the case of Merc, Audi and BMW, each sold between 3 and 4 times as many cars as Renault did last year. Yet Renault don't have the huge mark up of the German 3.
I recall reading a list of excuses from Mercedes-Benz Australia on why their cars were so much more expensive here than in Europe. IMO none of the excuses they gave held water.
But we are starting to see prices drop which is a good thing. They still have a way to go but it always had to be a gradual thing anyway.
Joober, that makes no sense at all.
Hmmm… let me about you this. If the Australian government parallel import on a commercial scale, would Porche charge the Australian dealership still charge the same amount as they do now? I wouldn't think so. Then, would you still argue it has anything to do with the economy of scale, cost of doing business here. Sure it has a little role to play. Look what happened to CD prices once they allowed parallel import. Look what happened to our retaliers when people started buying things online…
Most businesses will try and get as much profit as the market will allow and some markets, USA in particular, vote with their feet and force companies to be more competative. Its interesting how Australia exported Holden SS's as Pontiacs to the USA for 3 years totalling 41000 cars, far less volume than is sold locally, the cars had to be specially tooled to be left had drive, shipped all the way to the USA yet cost $10,000 less than in Australia?
When I lived in the UK there were a lot of import businesses set up as you could import cars cheaper from Europe than you could buy them in the UK. The Range Rover at that time was built in the UK. You could import it via a dealer in Europe so the car was Built in the UK, shipped to Europe, then Shipped back to the UK and it cost about 10,000 pounds less than buying it in the UK. I imported my car for 2,500 pound cheaper by using an import company. I'd take the economy of scales and distance factors with a pinch of salt if I were you.
Americans get paid more than us check the stats.
Are you claiming that car companies have examined our wages and health care system and compared it to America's? How far-fetched. You are apologising for them or at best naive.
Of course I'm not suggesting that. I put the call out for some economists (cheeky AND optimistic, I know) and all I got was the usual conspiracy theorists. None of you people actually know. Oh, you think you know, and your shout-it-out-loud almost succeeds in compensating . But that doesn't mean you do know.
All I see is red-faced hyper-ventilating and the loss of cell tissue over a situation that existed with Pontiacs GXP, Monaro and even the Ford Capri years back. It probably goes back to the Model T. It's not limited to cars, either. Leather jackets, shoes, jeans, you name it. It's all cheap.
I'm not an apologist, I'm just saying I have no problem with the concept that stuff costs different amounts of dosh in different parts of the world. Move on.
So what items are cheaper in Australia?
You like Golf cos it's a German car you can actually get your hands on in the face of our inflated prices. If you were in America you'd miraculously have a bigger interest in BMW, Mercedes, et cetera. It's not a criticism mate, it's an explanation for your artificially modeled consumer behaviour.
Well said Golfy. The unfortunate (but worthwhile, I believe) consequence is that items cost more here than they do in lower cost economies. That may lead to a car costing a few grand more. HOWEVER, pointing that fact out isn't apologising for some companies that charge$50k+ more than overseas, which in my opinion is just greedy companies milking the ignorance of the local consumer. Although that is my best assessment, I'm not an economist either. So the call goes unanswered…
Retailers aim to hit a point of perfect balance (price point) where consumers view a price as fair and expected and demand continues to remain consistent. Thus the market will charge what the market will bear for any given product (B.Bus/Ec).
Argueing over factors such as what we earn vs another country is not even on the table when discussing pricepoint for a product sold here. Fair or not that is the way the business world plays.
A lot of this comes from companies thinking they can over charge because we are so isolated. It's early twentieth century thinking. Some of them, even though we have internet now cheap OS transport, still seem to think we aren't aware of what's happening in the rest of the world.
Australians, unlike Americans are much better informed as to what's happening around this planet, for the most part. You'd think they would realize that by now, but they don't seem to. The EU and USA seem to be very slow, in accepting that despite some apologists, we are aware of what they are doing to us.
If they wont accept words, they will wake up when sales fall even further.
If everything is so damn cheap and amazing in the US then move there and stop whinging.
It is not whinging Al Wal it is exercising people power. Vendors will always adjust to the demand. The secret is complain, complain and complain then eventually prices will moderate. They may be in the doldrums at present but the American economy has been leading the world for decades, nay centuries. Anyway why should we move, we like it here and we want it better here – so I say keep complaining guys – just don't pay top dollar and let them know we won't.
Don't stick your head in the sand buddy. No one gives you your money for nothing.
$100K here and you're lucky to get a BMW 335i. $100K in USA and you drive out in a Mercedes SL550. Think of that before you hand over your hard-earned.
Yeah we do pay too much, but hopefully when we stop making cars in this country (which less and less people actually want) the Gov't will have no excuse for the stupid protectionist taxes and the price will come down. And we might get some of the sweet american muscle cars coming over from GM.
The "protectionist" tax component is 5%. Hardly the cause of a 100% price difference.
The other main taxes apply to ALL cars. GST of 10%. State stamp duty is a few p%. LCT (but only on the component of pricing which is over $60K or $75K for fuel efficient cars) – wouldn't even apply to a US-priced M3 and would add less than $10K to the price of a US-priced 911.
The real reason for the higher prices is that we are willing to pay them.
Well said Andy – its because we are suckers.
Ask the price and if you don't like it, walk out but make a bloody great big fuss doing so. It won't take long for the message to get home.
100% correct.
Just go stingy until they drop the prices.
actually the protectionism is not a 5% tax. it is the inability to easily directly import cars from overseas. allow this, and watch the prices drop like a lead balloon . only thing is, watch the tax -payer subsidised Oz car industry go down as well, maybe not a bad thing
A simple solution, allow parallel import. Probably not much impact on the lower models but should make a big impact on the high end models
Keep in mind their cars are much more underspecced than ours. Plus it's exclusive of tax. An S63 at US$140K is lacking almost US$40k in options. Then add 15% sales tax. Sure $204k is less than the $400k we pay. But there's also other factors: smaller market, shipping routes, conversion to RHD, we have higher resales. It all adds up.
The RHD markets are really quite a good deal bigger than you might think. The UK and Japan are two of the worlds highest car-ownership per capita countries and both drive on the correct side of the road.
@gregralph:disqus Maybe you are right about the RHD markets; I don't know the world statistics on all RHD vs LHD cars on the roads today. But with a national car market approximately the size of one of China's major cities, you would think Australia is just a drop in the ocean wouldn't you? We also have ridiculously strict ADR rules which manufactures have to design explicitly for our markets (cost are also passed on); to the point where its denied us of cars like the RS3 where Audi couldn't be bothered re-designing the carbon fiber fenders.
OK Josh
That's a lot of rubbish I'm afraid. On road and tax are included on many US sites now and their cars are not under specced. Mini for example starts in high teens and tops out in high twenties. An average sedan like a Commodore or Falcon is high teens early twenties. Mustang low twenties. These things have the same ratio. The issue is profiteering when our dollar is so high. As Greg R states below, we aren't the only RHD country. Lets not forget Africa. India.
Thanks Huwtm
The "spec" thing is the biggest load of garbage I've ever heard. For what would an S63AMG lack in America? ?Sat-nav. ?Xenon lights. ?LED turn signals. ?Massive wheels. Tell me. What is missing from the standard American delivered S63AMG that is found on the one here. You're soft man.
@af4a95e91ffc5e1e779563f691f2041b:disqus Just some of the options US spec cars are not equiped with. They are however available in various packages such as the driver assist package which we all have standard.
Active Blind Spot Assist
DISTRONIC PLUS with PRE-SAFE Brake
Active Lane Keeping Assist
Splitview- front screen
Night View Assist PLUS with Pedestrian Detection
4-zone automatic climate control
^^All standard on AUS spec S350
8-way adjustable power outboard rear seats (S500L)
Memory function for rear seats
Heated and Active Ventilated rear seats
Heated wood/leather steering wheel
^^All standard on AUS spec S500
To some extent I do see your point in how a few options can't justify twice the price of a car, but overseas 'under-specced' models are far worse lower down the model line and its not just mercedes.
the exterior looks 30 years older than the interior, unless that is just a really bad angle
Boy a comment about the car, how did that slip in?
It's all about cars and or buying them.
Too amazing. In perhaps today's second or third comment about the car, I think it's great news for buyers. This is the sort of price that Aussies were paying for the Mk IV Golf, so things aren't as bad here as some make out.
I paid $26,000 for my MK4 (1.6litre). 8 Years later I paid $25,000 for my Mk6 (1.4turbo). Things are definitely improving and that's good news for consumers. We have seen it with the price reductions for the new Corolla, Pulsar, Cruze and A Class. Hopefully VW will have to rethink the MK7's new price come April.
Hope Audi have put a little extra effort into further development of the sophisticated electronics. They could demonstrate that by extending the warranty perhaps!!
I find it difficult to mention MB and Audi in the same breath. One cannot get away from the fact that Audi is the progeny of VW. If the Auto-Union company had not been swallowed-up then we might now have very different cars. I am amazed that Audi has done as well globally as it has; there are an awful lot of suckers out there it seems. It may be the 2013 version but, try as I might, I am unable to compare the A3 with the Aclass.
Historically I believe that there were a great number of 'diehard' VW fans who wanted something better and to discard the 'people's car' image they migrated to Audi naturally. Otherwise Audi would have failed I think.
I don't disagree entirely with your view on the Audi – VW relationship, but keep in mind – other members of the VW group include Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti, Ducati, and recently Porsche. The R8 V10 is practically a Gallardo. IMHO, Audi being in the VW group shouldn't necessarily be considered a downside.
The difference is how closely they are tied together. Looking across the prime ranges Audi VW Skoda Seat. most are near identical in a lot of ways if not in the skin underneath it. Hence, why would you pay extra for an Audi over anyone of those others. Should that be your thing? Why for example would you buy an under powered A3 over a spritely Polo with the same engine. There is nothing about the Audi construction that makes it better than any of the other three brands. Other than an under powered engine in the cheapest A3. It certainly isn't going to have the same performance as a Polo.
Well for starters the Polo is much smaller as I'm sure you are aware, so you wouldn't be cross shopping it with the A3 anyway. If you are talking a Golf vs. an A3 with the same powertrain, it is a much closer thing.. The major differentiator between the two IMO is the interior and maybe some of the tech options. Build quality may also be a factor, guess that depends on a lot of variables like which factories each car comes out of. Whether those differences are worth the extra money for the Audi is up to the buyer I suppose. I'm sure that in quite a few cases though, buyers wouldn't even be aware how closely related their A3 is to a Golf.
I just thought of something kinda related while pondering VW and Audi's parts sharing. VW's DSG always cops grief for it's unreliability, but I don't recall really hearing Audi's getting the same. I assume they share the same DSG's? Could be the Audi's are upgraded in some way?
The Audi S-Tronic box is specifically tuned to each car. Both DSG's come from the same manufacturer, however VW don't do much else with it and fit it to the car. Audi will spend a week on each individual gearbox, which is why they are in constantly short supply and must use tiptronic gearboxes in some of their vehicles.
Excellent rejoinder Dudeface.
Isn't it good to have some sensible debate, and I include huwtm in that comment. In the past I have been critical of the poor quality of some of the responses but we are all being highly adult today. I guess it must be term-time – so the ones I have been disparaging of are otherwise engaged.
I suppose there should be a degree of gratitude that we are discussing what is basically a flourishing choice level, it is not too long ago that this was not the case.
I feel sorry for Audi and their A3. It seems all they can do is play catch up to the new Golf and A-Class.
that interior is fantastic! better than the 1 series and on par or better than the a class
Honestly I think the Golf is better.
I agree actually, the a3 is a good car but golf is as good but much better value!
Australians are obsessed with Golf and A3 cos they're the only German cars they can get their hands on. In America they look at these cars as you look at KIA hatchbacks.
top selling car in US – camry , which costs just under double a 528i, wonder how many times more a bm costs here- funny how highly you rate americas choice in cars
The journos have a lot to answer for. They were aware of the massive price disparities long before we learned for ourselves via the internet. Even now they still usually omit the price disparity in their writ-ups. They're part of the scandal and should be thrashed.
I appreciate that you are replying but I just cannot understand what you're trying to say buddy. Have another go.
I think he is trying to say – Camry is half the cost of a 528i in the US. I don't get the rest.
The new Volvo has 3 years free servicing and won't be long before they offer very low finance offers. It's going to really heat up in this segment. About time! Hopefully the new S3 is $10k less and fully optioned.
Good to see the better exchange rates finaling filtering through to the consumer.
What really gives away Australians the most as suckers is the used car market. Example: a surprisingly high number of superseded Porsche Cayenne's are on the road. Yes? Go and check out what they sell for and the odometer readings and bear in mind that these cars are superseded, out of warranty and out of style. If more Australians had a backbone there would be zero market for this rubbish.
Totally agree. I sometimes wonder if these apologist for high prices are car sales people, or just the simple proletariat that follows along or both.
Americans just wouldn't stand for these prices. They don't fork out hard-earned money for rubbish. Australians' goodwill has been taken advantage of.
not goodwill – stupidity
they work for the Euro car mobs
The thing is to people its the the Badge + SUV combo that makes them want the car, as I mention in a earlier post purchases are based on both satisfying physical and emotional, with the tip of the scale going either way with different people. If they love porsche and always wanted a SUV (emotionally), the physical aspect of a crummy superceded cayenne is not not going to deter them in buying it.
I agree. Can you believe these bozos are willing to pay more for a used superseded Cayenne than an American pays for a current Cayenne? Their judgement has been warped by our artificially inflated car prices.
so true – it helps maintain the new prices though -dealers can claim good resale – much better to have a newer cheaper car
It's for people who want to drive an Apple computer.
What do you mean by this? Do you mean, perhaps: people who want the long-term stability, security, and speed of unix, including powerful command-line tools, over the opposite, i.e., windows?
(BTW: My offer to duel you over your slanderous remarks regarding the V40 still stands. I've killed before and I am happy to do so again.)
Just like the A1, this is a slightly larger handbag on wheels. It's not luxury or prestige as much as a desperate status symbol.
Perhaps. But tell me, what should someone who doesn't want to be labelled a badge snob be buying instead, that has a comparable level of luxury, build quality and technology? The A class and 1 series don't count as they fall under the same 'desperate status symbol' you describe. Golf? Well some would call the VW try hard badge snobbery. Volvo V40 maybe? I can't think of anything else that compares… suggestions?
You're free to do what you want with your money mate, but we're just saying to think twice before handing over hard-earned money to the profiteering German car companies. Take a few minutes and peruse some of the American websites and the RRP. You'll think it's an error but it's not!
Don't you know it's about feeling better than the average joe cause you can afford to be ripped off!
I note you left out Lexus or Skoda, must be a brand perception issue for you too. Seriously I have no problem with these buyers moving up a bit to a 3 series, C class or IS250. S3 aside, this screams wannabe like having your underwear brand hanging out of your pants.
Slightly harsh but grain of truth because cars like Audi A3 attract buyers who are social climbers but can't afford the real thing. They usually can't even truly afford these little cars either.
True to some extent, but I would consider a "lux" hatchback because despite being able to afford a behemoth I live near the city and prefer the practicality of driving and parking a small car. I do however enjoy driving, spend a lot of time in my car and would like something comfortable and fun to drive.
Then again I'd probably buy an up-spec Golf over an A3 because no matter how much money I have I'll always have an eye for value
Its a case of marketing in each particular country. In Australia VW is selling itself as a semi premium brand and Audi as a premium brand. As such there is a $10,000 to $15,000 premium between similar models of VW vs Audi. In the UK there is only a $1000 to $1500 difference between similar models. E.g. the New MK7 Golf 1.4 litre cost £18,710 and the equivalent Audi A3 cost £19,205. In the UK they understand that they are essentially the same car.
So a person buys an A3, and becomes a "Wannabe". What models equate to a 'Shouldabeen' and "Couldabeen".? I expect the A8 is reserved for anyone who is a "Hasbeen'……..
Yes, car prices here in Australia do seem high to me. Remember, though, before you start citing the cost of this or that, that prices charged and costs of production have very little if any connection at all. You might be tempted to say that, at the very least, cost provides a lower limit to price, but even this is not true: Henry Ford would routinely price his cars below cost … the effect of this being increased demand, increased production, increased economies of scale, and reduced cost: so he made a profit on sales after all. And then he would reduce the price below cost again, and so on.
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Allow parallel import on a commercial scale. That should fix up the price discrepancy to some extent. It won't bring it to parity but should put pressure on manufacturers to reduce their price tag in Australian dealership. David Jones got price reduction on some goods from overseas manufacturer in order to be compete with overseas online retailers. I can't see why we can't do the same with cars if the government allows it.
Try New Zealand. Grey imports EVERYWHERE. Yet the price discrepancy on dealer cars is in some cases even greater than it is here.
Why stop with cars. Imagine the banks and Insurance thieves here had no protection and we could finance mortgages at a 2% rate, have much more competitive Insurance, pay tv, telecommunications.
Globalisation will eventually bring parity pricing with all things retail, but the danger also lies with parity with the standard of living.
As you mentioned telecommunications I can tell you your 80c call on telstra actually costs 1c – I could go on but you get the point.
Nah, it's just a tarted up Golf.


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I'd like to get some advice on how to configure
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With my current configuration (see below), the connection pool contains no connection after a database is restarted, as previous connections are all invalidated. Ideally, the connection pool should create new connections according to the description of property "minidle" in doc, but that is not happening (of course new connection will be created upon application request). Is this acceptable behavior of a connection pool? How is everyone dealing with this situation? Thanks!
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Welcome to the JavaRanch, Lyan!
Actually, the critical parameter for you is "initialSize".
Have you switched on trace-level logging to see what's really happening in the pool and when? It's possible that the pool is being properly initialized but that the pool itself is being constructed on-demand rather than at initial startup, since the pool is a resource and not a process (thread).
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Thanks for your response, Tim.
What I experienced is exactly like what you said - "The pool is being properly initialized but that the pool itself is being constructed on-demand" after database is restarted. I also checked the source code for tomcat jdbc connection pool, and found it made no effort to make sure the number of idle connections in the pool is above minimal setting. So can I say what I experienced is normal behavior of the connection pool?
BTW, there is already a sweeping thread implemented in the connection pool to clean up the pool. I wonder what makes it hard to scale up the pool when idle connection number drops below minimal.
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Sometimes it takes a while for things to sink in. I was thinking the usual "tomcat restart" and you were saying
I can well understand how you'd end up with an empty pool in the case where the database was restarted. One doesn't normally restart the database while an app is running unless things are really dire. Just aside from the pooling issues, there's the question of what's going to happen to any transactions-in-progress within the app itself. Few apps are designed with that occasion in mind.
If database restarts are a routine occurrence - for example, you yank down the server for nightly backups - then you have to decide if having your pool sucked dry is really a problem. After all, it will replenish itself in time. If you positively must have a minimal pool ready and waiting, consider adding an app function that does nothing but request a quota of connections and then returns them to the pool to re-prime the pump (so to speak).
Incidentally, no quality DBMS should have to be shut down just for backup purposes. Even the major free open-source ones have support for hot backups.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. It absolutely cleared my doubts, and hopefully it will help others who may be puzzled by the very same issue. Very much appreciate your time as well as your contribution to the community.
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In 1973, the Commission on Private Philanthropy and Public Needs was formed to study the relationships between foundations, the government, and the public. To meet the needs of this study the Commission contracted with several individuals to do research and write papers. Adam Yarmolinsky served as both a researcher/author and a special consultant to the Commission.
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Cite as: Adam Yarmolinsky Papers, 1973-1977, Ruth Lilly Special Collections and Archives, University Library, Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis.
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The Commission on Private Philanthropy and Public Needs (known as the Filer Commission, after its chairman John Filer) was founded in November 1973 through the efforts of John D. Rockefeller, III, House Ways and Means Chairman Wilbur D. Mills, Secretary of the Treasury George P. Shultz, and Under Secretary of the Treasury William E. Simon. The Commission was formed to study the role of philanthropic giving in the United States and to make recommendations regarding ways to strengthen and increase the effectiveness of the voluntary sector. Composed of religious and labor leaders, former cabinet members, executives of foundations and corporations, federal judges, and representatives of several minority groups, the Commission sought to reach its goal through research and debate. The findings and recommendations of the Commission were published in a final report entitled, Giving in America: Toward a Stronger Voluntary Sector.
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Commission on Private Philanthropy and Public Needs. Giving in America: Toward a Stronger Voluntary Sector. Commission on Private Philanthropy and Public Needs: 1975.
Commission on Private Philanthropy and Public Needs, 1964-1980, Ruth Lilly Special Collections and Archives, University Library, Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis.
Department of the Treasury. Research Papers, Volumes I-V. Commission on Private Philanthropy and Public Needs: 1977.
Adam Yarmolinsky Papers, 1923-1993, John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library, Boston, MA.
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