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Log Corner Installation
Weekes Forest Products is an authorized distributor of Timberline Log Exteriors and is proud to associate our Glacier Lodge™ brand name with this quality product and professional company. Please browse the installation instructions to ensure that you install the product correctly.
OverviewThere are four basic steps to installing Timberline Log Exteriors' siding to your home:
Chapter 1: Before You Start
Tools You'll Need
Sundry Items
Setting Doors and Windows ProperlyYou need at least 1/2" of your doors and windows protruding over your exterior sheathing. (Or furring if you are remodeling.)
If you do not have at least a 1/2" protrusion around your doors and windows, or you want a "heavier" look, we recommend you picture-frame around your doors and windows with a rough-sawn 2x2 or 2x4 of pine or cedar:
A Benchmark Around the HouseYou can measure down from the soffit or measure up from the foundation. All you need is a straight reference line around the house. Locate it at a comfortable height, say about 3 feet. This is easy enough on a single-level house, but if you have a multi-level house or a lot of inside and outside corners, you may find it easiest to shoot a line around your home with an optical level.
The objective is to get a reference line at all the corners so you can layout the corner logs and the siding. The corner logs and siding need to be straight in relation to the building. This means that the benchmark need not always be level, but it does need to be parallel to any horizontal lines such as soffits, porches and large windows.
A Craftsman AttitudeBy now you have a good idea of what you want your home to look like. An attitude of wanting to learn and do your best will do more for the appearance of your home than the fanciest and most expensive tools on the market. You by no means need to be a cabinet maker to install this product, but if you find yourself saying "That's good enough," stop, stand back, and think about whether it really is "good enough."
Protecting Your Wood Before Installation
ImportantThere are different sizes of log siding. Timberline's log-corner system was designed to be used with standard 2x8 log siding. Because of different siding manufacturers and different manufacturing techniques, not all siding is manufactured to exactly the same dimensions.
The critical dimension for Timberline's log-corner system is the actual coverage of the log siding, not including the overlap. Our product is designed for a 65/8" coverage; this is what we have found to be the norm. If your siding covers more or less than 65/8", you will have to adjust your corner layout to fit the dimension of your siding.
Take an average of several pieces of siding to decide what your actual coverage is. We will use an example of a 63/4" coverage.
In Chapter 2, Layout, change your layout increment from 65/8" to 63/4". You will find that you will have to hold each log slightly off the one below it before you nail. You will find it easier to hold layout if you mark both sides of the corner. Don't be concerned with the slight space between corner logs, this area will be caulked anyway.
Your siding template for cutting the points will also need to be modified. Since you are creating an 1/8" space on your corner layout, you will need to create this on the siding point. Cut the original template along the center line, from point to point, and leave a space of 1/8" between the two template pieces while you copy the template to a material you can use in the field.
We know that the slight differences in dimensions from manufacturer to manufacturer can be an inconvenience. But this has very little effect on the outcome, and won't slow you down if you're aware of the differences before you get started.
Chapter 2: Layout
2.1: Single-Level HouseIf you are working with a single-level foundation, we have found it best to start out with an even half log on the bottom as your starter log. It doesn't matter which direction the half log is facing; just note that on whichever side the half log is facing, your bottom piece of siding will be full width on that side also.
Mark a horizontal line, on the corner, 35/16"
up from where you want the bottom of the siding to start. (Note: The siding
should overlap the foundation by 3/4"
to 1", if at all possible.) This will be the top of your starter log. See
Detail 2-A. Now measure down from your benchmark and write it down for
reference. This measurement will be used for laying out the other corners.
Measure up from the mark on the corner in 65/8"
increments. (Each log is 65/8"
in diameter.) This will give you the top of the log, on one side of the corner.
See Detail 2-B. It is not necessary to mark both sides of the corner, but if you
do, make sure the marks are halfway between the marks on the other side of the
Draw a horizontal line through the marks on the corner with a small framing
square, as shown in Detail 2-C.
Go to your next corner. If the mark you made for your starter log was on the north side of the house, then the next half starter log will either be on the north or south side of the house; it will not be on the east or west side. See Detail 2-D.
To accurately mark the top of the next starter log, mark down from your benchmark the dimension you wrote down on the first corner. This will give you the top of the starter log and just start measuring up in 65/8" increments as you did on the first corner.
All the other outside corners are laid out the same way. Be very careful not
to get your mark for the starter log on the wrong side of the corner. Just
remember that all starter logs, on a single-level foundation, are on the same
axis: north to south or east to west.
2.2: Multilevel HouseThe first corner in a multilevel house is laid out the same way as in Section 2.1. The trick is to mark the top of the starter logs on all the outside corners, so your siding will line up.
If Your Next Corner Starts Lower Than Your First CornerFrom the bench mark, measure down the same as you measured on the first corner. From this mark, measure down in 65/8" increments. This will give you the top of each log. See Detail 2-E. More than likely, your starter log will not be a half log and it may or may not be on the same axis as your first starter log. On a multilevel house, all logs pointing to the same axis (north-south or east-west) are on the same level.
If Your Next Corner Starts Higher Than Your First CornerIt is necessary to measure up from your starter log on the first corner in 65/8" increments until you have a measurement to the bench mark that you can transfer to the next corner. See Detail 2-F. You'll note that what you are doing is transferring tops of logs from one corner to the next.
If you're not feeling comfortable with layout, you may want to tack up a few
corners as a visual aid. Read the next chapter on corner logs and go ahead and
tack up a few corner logs. Don't use any glue and don't get carried away; these
pieces will have to come down and be glued for permanent installation.
Chapter 3: Corners
3.1: Cutting a Starter LogYour first log on a corner will be a starter log. The starter log is a full corner log that has been cut in half or less. For clarity, we will show you a half log as a starter log.
As you may have noticed, your corner order is a 50-50 mix of right- and
left-corner pieces. The best way to tell the difference between the two is to
stand a few up on the flat end, face the curve towards you, if the tenon is on
your left then it is a left-hand corner log. If the tenon is on your right-you
guessed it-this is a right-hand corner log. See Detail 3-A. A left corner log
will be attached on the left side of a corner as you look at it. A right corner
log-you guessed it again-will be attached on the right side of the corner.
Decide which corner log you need for your starter log, left or right, and temporarily attach it to a corner of the house at a comfortable height. Make sure the corner log is square and level. Mark a line halfway through the log on the end, as shown in Detail 3-B. Make sure the mark is level. Now mark down each side of the log with a level, connecting the level line you made on the end of the log. See Detail 3-C.
To cut the starter log, you have two options:
3.2: Attaching the Corner LogsYou have your starter log cut, your layout is complete, and you're ready to make your house look like a log home. Let's make it happen. You will need the construction adhesive, caulking gun, 16D nails, a hammer, and a small framing square.
Start out by putting adhesive on the starter log on the two flat areas where the
log meets the corner. Don't be stingy with the glue; you don't want it running
out all over the corner, but you do want good adhesion between the log and the
corner. Place the starter log against the corner so the top of the log is just
touching the layout mark. Lay your framing square on the top of the log so the
log lies square with the corner. Drive in two 16D nails into the tenon, making
sure you nail into the framing member in the corner. See Detail 3-D. The starter
log may not feel very secure right now but it will after you attach the next few
Set your next log upright on the ground and put adhesive on the two flat areas
and also the curved area where this log will make contact with the log below it.
See Detail 3-E. Saddle this log on the corner and over your starter log so they
make good contact. You usually have to wiggle the corner around to get the best
fit. Again place your framing square on top of the log, square it up and drive
two nails into the tenon, making sure you're driving into the framing member of
the corner.
Now you're on your way. Put adhesive on the next log the same way you did on the second log. The only difference on this side is that you have a layout mark. Make sure the top of the log is at the mark. Square up the log and nail it.
If your starter log has sagged or feels loose, you can toenail a nail or a deck screw into the third log and the starter log. This is usually a good idea anyway. The starter log has the least bearing surface and is usually the log that gets the most abuse.
The rest of the logs are put on in the same fashion. Below we have listed some tricks for making the corners go faster and more smoothly, and also some cures if you run into problems.
3.3: Cutting the Top LogIf your soffits are flat, you can cut the top log the same way you did the starter log.
If your soffits are on a rake, you will have to cut your top log or logs at this same angle. Figure out how much wood you will have to take off a corner log. Be conservative; it's a lot easier to take more off than add it back on. Clamp or nail the corner piece down and cut the log with a chainsaw or bandsaw. If you have cut it relatively close, finish it up with a belt sander or a power planer.
The light brown or tan construction adhesive works well to fill in any miscuts or gouges. Try not to smear the adhesive all over the wood. You will probably want to go over the adhesive with caulking when you get ready to stain.
On both a flat soffit and a raked soffit, you will probably be cutting off the tenon of the corner log. Lots of adhesive and a few long deck screws work wonders.
Chapter 4: Siding
4.1: Cutting PointsYou will find two templates toward the back of this manual. One template is for a Western Log Siding profile and the other is for a Timberline Round-to-Round log siding profile. They are clearly marked, and if you're not sure which log siding profile you have, go back to the section in the front of this manual that's entitled "Before You Start." Nothing further said.
Cut along the outside edge of the template. Now make a copy of this template onto something that will hold up outside. The best medium we have found is heavy gasket material, the kind you can find at your local auto-supply store. It bends nicely around the log siding and is almost indestructible, unless you let your dog use it for a chew toy (voice of experience). Light tin works well, as does cardboard. You can use light plywood, but it doesn't want to bend around the log siding.
You will note that there is a top to the template; mark this on your new template. It always points to the tongue of the siding. The very point on the template is offset to allow for the overlap of the siding.
Lay the template on top of the curved side of the siding and mark the point on the wood with a pencil. Keep the top of the template at the top of the tongue, as shown in Detail 4-A. You will note that you will be needing a right or a left point to fit into the corners. A right point is on the right side of the template and goes on the right side of the log siding (tongue up), which goes on the right side of the wall as you look at it. Right or wrong, it will only fit one way.
Take your new, super-heavy-duty industrial jigsaw (that cost you a fortune) and cut out the point. Use a medium-toothed wood blade and backcut the face of the wood so only the face of the siding will make contact with the log. If you have an orbital setting on your jigsaw, it will make this cut go much faster. Now look at the point you just cut out and notice the dark marks where the foot of the jigsaw dragged across the wood as you were cutting. A couple of strips of duct tape on the bottom of the foot (the jigsaw's, not yours) will solve this problem.
The backcut on the point serves a couple of purposes. First, it allows for some protrusion of the tenon and you can take a wood rasp and hit the edge to make it fit better to the corner logs. A perfect fit is not necessary since you have to caulk this area anyway.
Make up a few points and continue through the Siding chapter. After you get a good feel for it, we have found that the job goes a lot faster if you cut the majority of your points before you really get started. You will need one point for each corner log you installed and you will need an equal number of rights and lefts. An assembly-line type of operation is a lot faster than jigsawing one piece at a time as you need it.
4.2: Laying Out the SidingCut a left point with about 2' of tail and put a right point on it. This will be used to give you marks on the side of the log corners so you can snap chalk lines. People always ask why they can't just use a level and start slapping up siding. You can, but you are assuming that the house is perfectly level, your level is level, and every board is perfectly straight. Nice try, but I wouldn't put money on it. By using a chalk line, you can solve all three potential problems and speed up installation.
Stick the point in between two logs and mark the top of the tongue. Mark both sides of all the outside corners. Now snap a chalk line between corresponding marks on a wall. Make sure and pull it tight so there is minimal sag in the line. Try to snap through all the openings such as doors and windows. This will give you a straight reference line at the top of each piece of siding. If you have problems snapping a line through openings because of the jamb, snap as many lines as you can and measure up or down on each side of the opening in 65/8" increments. Now finish snapping your lines. A note of caution: make sure you are coming up evenly around your openings, they all have to match when they get to the top of the opening.
It may not be necessary to snap lines on a board that is 4' or less, but you do need to have marks on each side of the board.
4.3: MeasuringTo measure the length of a board you want to cut, we have found it easiest to hold the dumb end of the tape against the log and measure to where you want the cut. See Detail 4-B. Then hook your tape on the top of the point, at the tongue, and measure out that dimension. Do this on the back of the siding, as that is where you want to cut.
4.4: Cutting a JointYou have two options:
4.5: Attaching the Log SidingThere are several options for nailing the siding to the wall, and each one has a give-and-take on three key factors: First: strong, solid attachment; second: low visibility; and third: speed of attachment. Strong, solid attachment is the most important factor. If you don't have this, your siding will look good when you first put it up, but will start moving around on the wall in very short order. It is recommended that you penetrate the framing member by at least 11/2". You should figure that the siding is 1" thick where you will be nailing, and if you are using 1/2" of foam insulating board, you will need a nail at least three inches long. Table 1 gives some of the pros and cons to different fasteners. No matter what fastener you decide to use, it must be galvanized.
Detail 4-C shows you the proper nailing pattern. Over the years, people have attached log siding in numerous ways. What this has given us is a lot of methods that don't work. Wood always wants to move with the changes in temperature and humidity. Your siding has to be able to expand and contract with these changes.
Do not blind nail. This means nailing into the tongue so the next piece of siding covers the nail head. It looks great and will hold for a while, but within a few years the tongue will split from the expanding and contracting and you will be either renailing the job or pulling down expensive toothpick material.
Do not nail into the overlap. The log siding needs to move independent of each other. If you try nailing them together, they will eventually split apart.
Hit that stud. The outside sheathing is not enough to hold the log siding, even if it is plywood. The manufacturer of your log siding may or may not guarantee your siding against warpage and twisting on the wall, but Timberline Log Exteriors will stick its neck out and guarantee that the log siding will twist and warp if you don't attach the siding properly. This is an unconditional guarantee. Hit that stud.
Nail into the point. You should have a framing member at the corner, where the point of the log siding butts into the corner logs. Get a nail or screw into this point. Its a hard place to nail, but because of the end grain of the wood, it has a tendency to pull away from the wall.
Chapter 5: Rafter Tails and Purlins
5.1: Where and When to UseBy now you have become more aware of the look and details you will find on full log homes. These same effects can be achieved with Timberline Log Exteriors log corner system, all it takes is a few accessory logs and a good concept of what you want to achieve. One of the best areas to do detail work on is the gables of your home. With a few logs, you can give the visual effect of log rafters stick out the wall where ceiling rafters would extend if your home was constructed from full log. The same goes for purlins, which would support your roof on a full log home
Another good area to add detail to is to those large areas of wall on a multilevel house. Give your home the effect of log floor joist extending through the wall. This not only breaks up a bland wall but adds to the authenticity.
If your foundation extends out of the ground very much, you can add rafter tails at the foundation level to give the effect of log floor joist. This gives the illusion of your foundation not being so tall.
We know that these ideas are not easy to visualize on your own home, but the visual effect will far outweigh any added expense. Visualize in your head what you want your home to look like. The techniques are outlined in this chapter. But don't stop there; the techniques can be adapted to fit most any idea.
5.2: Getting a BalanceTake a look at Detail 5-A, notice where the rafter tails are placed, at the same level as the last full corner log,and about where the rafters or trusses set on the wall. Each home is different, so if this doesn't work well on your home, stand back and pick a point where you think they would go if you were using full log. You can't go wrong. Every full log home is different.
Now look at the purlins in the same detail. Notice how they line up with the rafter tails below them. This isn't absolutely necessary, but we have found that it adds a visual balance to the wall. Also note the center purlin at the peak of the roof lines up with a rafter tail in the center of the wall. The rafter tails are placed on approximately three-foot centers; two feet or less can look busy, and four feet or more can look sparse.
5.3: Rafter TailsYou have figured out where you want place the rafter tails, realize that they go between two pieces of siding. Cut your two pieces of siding and temporarily tack them into place. Climb that ladder! Mark the center of the wall on both pieces of siding. Now measure the distance from this center line to the center line of the corner logs on each side, in inches. Divide this number by three and it will give some crazy number with a lot of digits after the decimal point. Round it to the nearest whole number. This is the number of rafter tails you will need on each side. Go back and divide this number into the distance between your center log and the corner log. This will give you the distance, center to center, of each rafter tail.
Pull down the two pieces of siding you tacked up. Transfer the center line mark onto the back of the siding. Lay out in both directions from your center line, to give you the center of each rafter tail. These marks need to be on both boards. Measure over from these center line marks 35/16" to get the edge of the rafter tail and draw a straight line through these marks with a framing square. Piece of cake.
You now have both sides of the rafter tails marked. To get the top and bottom marks, remember that you have to adjust for the overlap of the tongue and channel. On the bottom board, measure down from the top of the tongue 313/16" (half the diameter of a log plus the overlap of the tongue and channel); this will give you the bottom of the rafter tail. On the top board, measure up from the very bottom of the siding (not the bottom of the channel) 35/16".
Take a rafter tail and lay it between your marks so the outside edge is just touching the lines, and trace a pencil line around the bottom of the log. Cut along the line being careful that your jigsaw blade doesn't bend and create a coned circle. Turn the siding over and make sure the logs fit properly. If not, cut any small holes out a little more with the jigsaw, this time on the face side. If you made them too large, you can fill it in later with adhesive (liquid miter-box).
Everything is looking good so far. Take your bottom board and nail it in place. Put some construction adhesive on the back side of the rafter tail and some on the saddle area of the siding, where the rafter tail will set. Set the rafter tails in place and toenail a nail or a screw into the top back side of the rafter tail, where it makes contact with the sheathing. Make sure they're straight and square.
Set your top board in place and double-check that it fits properly. Squirt some construction adhesive on the top saddle area, where it makes contact with the rafter tail. Put the board in place and nail it before it gets away.
It's a good idea to squirt glue around any gaps between the rafter tails and the siding. Also make sure they're square and level. They may not feel very secure now, but by the time the adhesive sets up you'll need sledgehammer to get them to move. Rafter tails can go anywhere in a wall in the same manner. Decide where you want them, figure your layout, and get after it.
5.4: PurlinsPurlins are the logs that go right under your soffits. They are usually about two feet long and are either full round or split in half. We have found that the split purlins are a lot easier to install, and the visual effect is almost the same. See in Detail 5-A how the curve of the split log is below the fascia. You need this for proper effect. If your fascia is extra wide, you will probably want to use full-log purlins. You will need at least one full purlin for the peak.
Attach the purlins against the soffit, directly over a rafter tail. You may have to cut them to length. Make them as long as possible so one end touches the sheathing and the other end touches the fascia. If you are using split purlins, put some adhesive on the flat area and nail or screw the purlin to the soffit. A nail or screw through the fascia and into the purlin works well. If you're using full-round, place a bead of adhesive along the top edge of the log where it makes contact with the soffit. Toenail into the sheathing on one end and through the fascia on the other; this goes for the full-round purlin at the peak also.
All the purlins are put up prior to installing the siding. Start laying up your siding and cut around the purlins. You'll soon learn why we said the split purlins are a lot easier.
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Description of the issue
When installing the .NET Framework 3.5 or Visual Studio 2008 on Windows Vista RTM, some people have noticed that a Windows Update dialog box pops up to indicate that the system must be restarted in order to complete installation of OS updates. The dialog box looks something like the following:
What is happening behind the scenes
Windows Vista includes the .NET Framework 2.0 and 3.0 as OS components. The .NET Framework 3.5 includes Windows Vista OS hotfix packages for the .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1, and both of these hotfixes require reboots in order to complete installation. The .NET Framework 3.5 setup wrapper contains logic to handle these reboot requests and notify the user, but the Windows Update service in Windows Vista also runs in the background and listens for this type of reboot request and pops up dialog boxes like this to notify the user that a reboot is needed as the result of installing an OS update.
Unfortunately, if this dialog appears during the .NET Framework 3.5 setup or during installation of a product that installs the .NET Framework 3.5 as a prerequisite (such as Visual Studio 2008), and the user chooses to restart using the Restart Now button on this dialog, it can cause the system to reboot even if the .NET Framework 3.5 or Visual Studio 2008 setup is still running. This can leave the system in an unknown state if these setups are installing something at the time of the reboot.
How to work around this issue
The Visual Studio 2008 readme will include an item suggesting that the user dismiss or ignore this Windows Update dialog if it is seen during .NET Framework 3.5 or Visual Studio 2008 setup. However, the readme is not always easily found by end users, and this issue can potentially happen for any application that includes the .NET Framework 3.5 setup as a prerequisite on Windows Vista or during unattended deployment of the .NET Framework 3.5.
You can programatically prevent this dialog from appearing when deploying the .NET Framework 3.5. This logic can be included in the script used for unattended deployment or within a setup process that includes the .NET Framework 3.5 as a prerequisite.
Use Windows Update Agent (WUA) APIs to pause the Windows Update service
To implement this solution, whatever script or process you are using to launch the .NET Framework 3.5 setup will use the Pause and Resume APIs on the IAutomaticUpdates interface in the Windows Update Agent (WUA) API set to temporarily pause and resume Windows Update functionality on the system.
You can use steps like the following to accomplish this:
If you call Pause without calling Resume, the operation will eventually time out (the default time out value is 8 hours). Rebooting the system will also cause the Windows Update service to resume without needing to call the Resume method.
<update date="12/13/2007"> Removing option suggesting that users disable the wuauserv service to workaround this issue. Doing this can cause failures during .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 or 3.0 SP1 installation on Windows Vista and should not be used. The valid workarounds are to ignore the reboot prompt or use the WUA Pause and Resume APIs </update>
If I read this right, this is a catasrophe, isn't it?
No one can safely deploy the 3.5 framework with their applications without adding this custom code to their installer?
Surely the 3.5 installer is the place to be including the code to inhibit the OS behaviour?
Framework deployment is still the biggest psychological barrier to shipping .NET applications - why would MS inflict this kind of nightmare on us all, when it could have been dealt with by the framework installer?
Hi WillDean - I think calling this scenario a "nightmare" or a "catastrophe" is too strong of a statement. The reboot dialog that appears in this scenario does not automatically cause a reboot - it only reboots if the user clicks the Restart Now button. In many cases, users are not watching the system closely enough to notice that dialog, or they will not choose to restart with that dialog because they realize that another setup is running.
Ideally, the .NET Framework 3.5 setup would contain this workaround logic, but unfortunately the issue was found too late in the beta process in order to get it fixed in time.
One important note - this issue will only affect systems that do not already have the .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 and/or 3.0 SP1 installed. Future hotfix rollups and service packs for Windows Vista will more than likely include 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1, and therefore will not ever run into this issue.
But haven't you just described the nightmare scenario?
1. Application installer starts 3.5 framework install
2. 3.5 installer installs 2.0SP1 and 3.0SP1 and then starts to install 3.5
3. User notices OS reboot message and presses OK
4. Machine reboots in the middle of 3.5 install
5. Upon restart, machine has broken 3.5 install - I would imagine that there's a very high risk that this broken 3.5 install will prevent the 3.5 install running again - or is that not the case?
If it is, then as a 3rd party developer it's now my problem to get the appropriate cleanup tools onto the end-user's machine to allow the 3.5 install to be cleaned-up and retried.
And all this because the poor user agreed to a suggestion that the OS made to them?
I dread to think how bad your dreams must be if this *isn't* a nightmare. Let's hope the framework SP's are pushed as critical updates as quickly as possible.
Or have I misunderstood the whole thing?
Hi Willdean - Yeah, I agree that the worst case scenario here is a nightmare, but I don't think it is a very likely end user scenario overall, which is why I don't think that I'd call it a "nightmare" overall. For example, if I initiate a setup on my system, I am not going to respond to a reboot request not displayed by that setup until after the setup finishes. (or maybe I've just been working with setups too long and have gotten less scared of issues like this over time)
In addition, the Postpone button appears to be the default button on this OS reboot prompt, so users are not too likely to accidentally press Enter and cause a reboot to happen. Finally, the reboot prompt will happen after installing 2.0 SP1 and 3.0 SP1, but the time that it takes to install the remaining part of the .NET Framework 3.5 is relatively fast (1 minute or less on most of the systems I've seen), so the user would have to be actively looking for this dialog and respond to it pretty quickly to fall within the time window required to put the system in a bad state.
Depending on the exact time when the reboot is initiated out from under the .NET 3.5 setup, it may or may not be recoverable by simply re-running .NET 3.5 setup. From what I've seen in the past, nearly all cases are recoverable without needing to resort to cleanup tools, etc.
I definitely agree that something like this could have been handled better within .NET 3.5 setup, but unfortunately that isn't the case, so I wanted to post a warning just in case folks run into this type of issue in their .NET 3.5 deployment scenarios. I think it is something worth keeping in mind but not necessarily something to panic about.
Sorry, Aaron, but I agree with Will. This is a horrible bug that WILL bite people in the butt. How do I know? Well, partly because I encountered this exact bug when installing Beta 2. It hosed my machine (yes, I clicked reboot now - partly because the install was taking so long and with so little feedback). And I'm a professional software developer.
I really don't think that taking the optimist approach and counting on people to be smart enough to not click the button is a good move. People will do it, I guarantee. You're fooling yourself if you think they won't.
Hi Kevin Dente - I'm definitely not trying to say that it won't ever happen - I've seen repeatedly in the past that as long as the code path is reachable some percentage of people will hit it over time. I also wasn't intending to come across as overly optimistic. I was simply trying to point out some of the mitigations that I think make this problem not likely to affect a large number of people in the grand scheme of things. The mitigations I point out don't mean that the issue won't ever happen, but I think they do mean that calling this scenario a nightmare or a catastrophe in a general sense is a bit too strong.
That doesn't imply that it could be a nightmare for a specific machine where a premature reboot does occur. However, even in cases I've seen where that happened so far, re-running .NET 3.5 setup allowed the system to recover. I also realize that this type of smooth recovery won't be possible 100% of the time, but that is also true for any number of other possible points of failure during any product installation.
It would definitely be ideal if .NET Framework 3.5 setup handled this behind the scenes. Unfortunately, it does not. As a result, other types of mitigations, including further education about the issue via readmes and blog posts have to be considered. That was the intent of this blog post - to try to help people who will be deploying the .NET Framework 3.5 more aware of this potential issue.
One other thing I should add - if you run into the error scenario that is possible as a result of this issue, I strongly encourage you to report it as a bug on the Connect site (http://connect.microsoft.com/visualstudio) to help the .NET Framework setup team get a better understanding of how often this issue happens "in the wild" - this can help lead to improvements in future versions of the .NET Framework installer.
Kevin, I think you and I live in a different world to Aaron.
If I auto-updated 100000 copies of this to one of my clients' retail user-base next week (of course, I won't), I don't think that readme.txt 'education' or filing bugs on Connect are going to be much comfort.
If 1% of those users click 'reboot' when they're asked to (aren't we trying to train them to obey security instructions?) and 1% of them subsequently have install problems, I shall still lose a week's-worth of time trying to help people on the other side of the world get their computers going again.
The sad truth for MS is that, of course, for applications like that one, which absolutely HAVE to install and run without any pain, we use statically-linked MFC/ATL/C++, and we don't use MSI, either.
I *love* programming with C#/.NET, but I suspect I'm not alone in thinking that it would be one hell of a risk in the wild for a high-volume end-user deployment. That there are screw-ups like this being shipped 4 versions of the framework into the whole .NET thing makes me certain that I care more about this kind of stuff than MS do.
You guys know what the bug is, and know what the fix is *BEFORE* you've even shipped the product, but you'd rather make it my problem than deal with it yourselves.
I'm assuming this problem exists in the beta 2 redistributable.
Is it slated to be fixed in the official release?
Hi Bgreenberg - This issue exists in the beta version and unfortunately is not slated to be fixed in the final release either.
I don't want to pile on, but my team ships a mass marketed consumer package that depends on .NET. We currently install the .NET 2.0 redist, if required, as the first phase in our installer. We have some other 3rd party dependencies as well.
In order to ensure smooth installation, we must trap ALL reboot requests and prompt the user in a way that makes sense in our installer flow. If there is any possibility for a premature reboot, this becomes a "very serious issue," if not a nightmare, for our support team. As others have mentioned, I am disappointed that the .NET team allowed this one out the door.
That said, thank you for thoroughly explaining the issue and providing a workaround. Does anyone know if there is an easy way to use the WUA API via MSI custom action?
Aaron Stebner reports an issue (some commenters call it a "nightmare") in the .NET Framework
Si se pot descarca de pe MSDN . MrSmersh adauga un discleimar "handle with care" din cauza unei probleme
This is clearly a bug that every commenter here would consider a RELEASE BLOCKER.
At the very least I would expect a sample project with the necessary workaround code.
Releasing a bug like this with nothing but an entry in the readme and a blog post is nothing sort of shameful. Who knows what kind of damage or unexpected results can happen from all the service-manipulating workaround code developers are going to have to put into their installers?
Of course, I don't know what's worse, that the .NET Framework doesn't stop the reboot message or the Windows installer can't handle a reboot request without borking a user's system. Considering how incredibly over-engineered the whole system is and how it runs with SYSTEM-level access I would expect it to be more robust.
This "it's not that bad and there are workarounds" seems indicative of the attitude in the recent Windows Update controversies and really among the whole Vista release. Sloppy and unprofessional, Microsoft.
(Nothing against you, Aaron, you're probably as upset about this as we are and are stuck taking the flack since you're the one with helpful blog.)
The nightmare scenario is alive and well. There is no .NET Framework 2.0 SP1 or .NET Framework 3.0 SP1 install package available for Windows Vista.
As an app dev I will be relying on the .NET Framework 3.5 installation / bootstrapper to do the proper installation.
Now that I have to code workarounds within my installation for Vista, this is a huge barrier to .NET Framework 3.5 acceptance / installation for my application.


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The Autumn Defense
Green HourRelease Date: 04/10/2001
Wilco bassist John Stirratt knows a thing or two about lush, orchestral pop. His side project, which he leads with longtime pal Pat Sansone out of their New Orleans home base, isn't quite as ambitious as Wilco's later albums, but the '60s-style pop here rarely takes the simple path. Drawing equal inspiration from the Beach Boys and Love (as well as dozens of groups that were inspired by the duo), Autumn Defense infuses their debut album with gentle, fertile pop songs about long forgotten loves, endless summers, and electric moons. There's also a Mermaid Avenue-like collaboration with the ghost of Woody Guthrie: "Revolutionary Mind" is reworked into a modern folk tale. ~ Michael Gallucci, Rovi
- Format: CD
- Release Date: 04/10/2001
- Record Label: Broadmoor
- Product ID: 2056865
- Genre: Adult Alternative Pop/Rock, Alternative Country-Rock, Alternative Singer/Songwriter, Alternative/Indie Rock, Chamber Pop, Indie Rock


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When NBC execs heard GLAAD gave them a giant 'F' on the gay representation scale, they were shocked! chagrined! sho-my-god'd! How could one of the nation's leading Gay Inc. organizations think a network with a rainbow-colored peacock for a logo isn't gay enough? Conan O'Brien sets things gay.
The Syfy Network, meanwhile, took a more measured approach.
I watched the whole season of Kings. I thought it was creative punishment from Silas. I really hope NBC picks up the show for next season.


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Going for sixteen. Incumbent third district Congressman Leonard Boswell seeking an eighth term in the U.S. House of Representatives. State Senator brad Zaun wants to begin a republican hold on the congressional seat. We're questioning Boswell and Zaun on this edition of Iowa Press.
Borg: This election in Iowa's third congressional district is getting national attention. The district includes 12 counties extending from Des Moines in central Iowa, eastward and southeastward to Marshalltown, Tama, Grundy Center, Vinton, Grinnell, Newton, Oskaloosa, and Pella, to say a few. The republican and democratic candidates are both from Polk County. Republican Brad Zaun, former mayor of Urbandale, now a state senator. The incumbent is democrat Leonard Boswell. He's a former state senator now completing fourteen years in the U.S. House of Representatives, and wants to go back for an eighth term. Gentlemen, welcome to Iowa Press.
Thank you very much.
Borg: And across the table, Associated Press Senior Political Writer Mike Glover and Radio Iowa News Director Kay Henderson. And like so many other campaigns in this election cycle, attack ads are flying freely. We're going to show you some in this campaign, first a couple questioning Congressman Boswell's record.
Zaun: I'm Brad Zaun and I approved this message.
Boswell: There are strong signs that the economy is beginning to recover.
This is Leonard Boswell's recovery: Unemployment is up; home foreclosures are up; job losses are up; and our faith in the federal government is down. If Leonard Boswell thinks we're in a recovery, it's clear he just doesn't understand. Leonard Boswell says the country is headed on the right path. Try telling that to the 114,000 Iowans that are out of work. Boswell voted for billions in failed stimulus spending, Wall Street bailouts, and then voted to gut Medicare for Iowa seniors. This might be the right path for Congressman Boswell and his Washington friends, but Iowa families are the ones who pay the price for his votes.
Borg: Mike Glover?
Glover: Congressman Boswell, it's a pretty tough ad against you. The economy is down. How do you respond?
Boswell: Well, you might want to read the editorial in USA Today, today. It says that it's actually working. That's lots yet to do. We all know that. But where we would have gone if we wouldn't have done some of the things that we had done, I didn't want to go there.
Glover: So things are bad but they could have been worse.
Boswell: Oh, could have been much worse.
Borg: You said you didn't want to go there. What do you mean?
Boswell: Well, I mean when the situation happened on Wall Street, for example, and Secretary Paulson from the Bush administration came to us wanting 700 billion now with no oversight, no nothing, I said no. My first gut reaction -- I need to finish this point -- this point here. And the point is that, you know, the rascals did it, just let them suffer. Then I remember -- I went down and walked through that FDR memorial and thought about it a little bit and I thought about the things that my father and my grandfather and different ones said. And I said, you know, if we're at that precipice that we're about to go over, which they say we were, I don't want to go there without putting up a fight and trying. So that's what we've done.
Borg: There was something -- a couple of other commercials currently running are attacking the opposite candidate. Let's take a look.
Boswell: I'm Leonard Boswell and I approved this message.
What did brad Zaun say about protecting 20,000 biofuel jobs?
Zaun: Farmer said what are you going to do for me and the biofuel industry, and I said nothing.
Zaun said he'd do nothing.
Zaun: Nothing.
When the floodwaters rose, Iowans came together, and when they receded, we worked hard to rebuild. But on flood emergencies, Zaun said Iowans forgot personal responsibility. Zaun would have denied over 4,000 Iowans emergency assistance.
Zaun: -- is personal responsibility. Personal responsibility.
Iowans needed a hand. Brad Zaun gave us a lecture. The democratic congressional campaign committee is responsible for the content of this advertising.
Borg: Kay?
Henderson: Mr. Zaun, what's your rebuttal to those ads?
Zaun: Well, Kay, I'll tell you, on all these ads, which I think are very unfortunate and have been taken out of context, in regards to the ethanol, what I was communicating was the mandates that I will not support. Those are the two mandates that tell you what kind of fuel mix you have to buy at the pump and, secondly, how Detroit has to build their cars.
Borg: Congressman Boswell, I see you shaking your head.
Boswell: Well, the mandates, it wasn't taken out of context. He said it. If you want to see the whole thing, well, we can show it to you. It wasn't taken out of context at all.
Henderson: the question that you were answering in that tea party debate was about farm subsidies, and you brought up biofuels.
Zaun: Right. And I was communicating that I'm not going to support -- I'm going to do nothing for the mandates that the biofuels industry wants.
Henderson: At the state fair you said you do support the ethanol tax break, but yet you said you didn't know whether you supported the tax break for biodiesel in August.
Zaun: Well, in regards to the biofuels and the soy mix, I think that industry needs to grow. What I really have a problem with is the $100,000 to $600,000 per new job that was spent by the taxpayers of Iowa for a new job that was created. And I think every industry needs to stand on its own two feet. I recognize that the ethanol industry is very important with a lot of benefits to the state of Iowa, and certainly we're less dependent on foreign oils. and I think that's great and I will do whatever I can, I will if I'm elected united states congressman, support that 45-cent blender fee tax credit that they have. And I think we need to have a long-range energy plan, and that's -- in the United States, and I think that ethanol needs to be part of that plan.
Glover: Congressman Boswell, the core argument against you is you're a seven-term member of a congress that polls tell us voters just don't like and you stand next to Nancy Pelosi, who polls tell us voters just don't like. How do you deal with that?
Boswell: You know, when you've got a situation -- majority when you gotta lead, it's kinda like going off and leading the troops. Sometimes you've got to make hard decisions, and I've been wanting to do some of these hard decisions for some time. So if people want to talk about Pelosi, go to California and run against Pelosi. But the fact is it seems to me on some of these things, we need to go involved in, the economy, alternative energy, which we were just talking about a little bit and we could certainly talk a lot more because I've been involved in this for years -- and it's very important to get out of bondage to OPEC. The farmers of America can do a lot of that. We need to talk about health care. We didn't just learn that health care was coming up the last twelve months. We've been doing it for years. We went through eight years of doing nothing, just kicking the can down the road. And so we've finally come to a point where we're going to take these things on, and I was ready to do it. There's risk involved but you've got to do what you've got to do, but you've got the leadership responsibility. And so I was willing to get into that, and whoever the speaker was, it didn't matter to me. I worked across the aisle for years. My record is there. I wanted to tackle those issues, and we did pretty good in the House of Representatives. The senate didn't do quite so good.
Glover: Mr. Zaun, is there anything to your campaign other than you're not a member of congress, you're not part of this congress that polls say the voters don't like? What do you bring to the table other than I'm not in that congress?
Zaun: Well, real-life experience, common sense. I was mayor of Urbandale for seven years, and what we did is we drove down the tax rate. We cut a lot of red tape. Owning a hardware store. I've signed the front side of a paycheck, and I've had struggles like a lot of people have had in the third congressional district. I'm being accused of not being personally responsible in some of these attack ads, and the fact of the matter is I am personally responsible. You know, I have done what I was raised to do, and that's be responsible for the debts that you have. And so many people are going through tough times right now. I've paid all my debts back, and I think it's unfortunate the way this campaign went.
Borg: Mr. Boswell, Mr. Zaun accuses you of voting 98 percent of the time along with Nancy Pelosi. I'm going back to Mike's question here on Nancy Pelosi. She represents a portion of San Francisco. Are you saying there that the views of the people that she represents views are closely aligned with those of people in the third district?
Boswell: You know, Dean, I'm a blue dog moderate democrat. You know that. We all know that. When she became speaker -- and I don't want to spend a lot of time on that, but somebody said she wouldn't be supportive of Paygo, and my response to our group was that you don't know that. Let's just ask her. Who knows! So we did. She came. She came over and we put the question to her and we explained to her we thought, you know, it was working in the Clinton administration and the bush administration threw it out, didn't continue it. The Wall Street debacle took place. A number of other things took place. So we said would you support this. And she said it makes a lot of sense, yes, I would support that, and she has. So there's just a lot of effort to politicize something that's really not -- we've got a lot of important things we need to be doing.
Borg: But you're saying it's a give and take. She gives to you. You take --
Boswell: Well, we work together to tackle the things that needed to be done and then kicked down the road, and this time take it on.
Borg: Kay?
Henderson: Mr. Zaun, in the ad that the viewers saw at the beginning of the program, bailouts were mentioned. Is there an instance in which you think the government should be involved in bailing out the auto industry or some other part of the economy, or are you blanket opposed to all government bailouts?
Zaun: Every business has to stand on its own two feet. We cannot afford to continue the spending that we're doing, which is partially the stimulus, which is rewarding bad behavior. In regards to the companies that are out there and the schemes that are done Wall Street, we can no longer afford as a country. We're bankrupt. And I would not support going out there and bailing out businesses. I think this is a market driven economy that we have, and I think that in the example of General Motors, I know that there would have been some investors that would have came in and acquired general motors for the name -- the Corvette name, just to be able to -- and it would have been back on its feet. And I think that would have been the proper way to do it.
Henderson: Earlier in the program, you addressed bailouts. Let's address the auto bailout specifically. Did the government -- or getting involved in the auto industry to the extent that it did?
Boswell: Well, we didn't just give them, Kay, cash, and say, here, hope things get better. -- was involved and took some interest in that. can you imagine what the unemployment rate would have been if hadn't have done that, what it would have done to our country, all the extra thousands of thousands of unemployment, auto industry, steel mills, the ore mills, and so on. It would have been devastating. And they're paying it back. And I think as it says today in the editorial and other reports coming in, it looks like there's a possibility that the taxpayers will gain on this because they've got shares, they're selling them off. The government doesn't want to own them, but they just didn't want to hand them cash.
Glover: Mr. Boswell, let's go to some of the core arguments that are used against you in this campaign. One of the core arguments that's used against you is you're simply too old, you've been around too long, you were retired from the army, you were in the legislature for a long time, and now you're in congress for fourteen years. How do you respond to that?
Boswell: Well, don't discriminate against us because we're lucky enough to ...
Glover: Well, I've got some gray hair too.
Boswell: Well, I noticed that. Anyway, there's an experience factor. He wants to talk about running a small business. I don't think that Mr. Zaun thinks that running a farm is a small business. It takes a lot to do. Besides the risk of the thing, the investment, you have to deal with weather and pesticide and all kinds of things. It's a big deal. It's very much a small business. And I went through the farm crisis. I've still got it and it's still working and I'm very proud of it. And I like to take people to show them how I'm a good conservationist and the things that we do. But anyway, I think that I bring a lot of experience to the table. I've been to war. I know what it's like to send our men and women off to war.
Borg: Mr. Zaun, it you who's alleging that he's too old to be in congress?
Zaun: Absolutely not. I'm glad you brought that up because I would never ever talk about that. I think what you've done -- and I'll tell you, Leonard, I salute your service to our country. I think that being in business and agriculture is a great business to be in, and it's no different than the hardware store I had.
Boswell: I make -- the implication that you're the only one that's been in business, when I certainly have been too.
Zaun: Well, I certainly am not trying to imply that. I'm certainly implying that I have business experience. I'm trying to sell myself to the voters.
Glover: Mr. Zaun, the core argument to you is you are a key knee-jerk conservative, you want to privatize social security, and you don't care much about the rights of workers. How do you respond to each of those?
Zaun: First of all, I'm not -- I've broke party ranks. I don't have a -- you know, I know Congressman Boswell talks about being a blue dog democrat and 98 percent is not a blue dog democrat. In regards to how I operate, I always try to figure out what is best for the people I represent. I did that as a mayor and I've done it in the state senate. I've told the republicans when they're wrong and I've acted that way and voted appropriately.
Glover: Give me a couple of examples.
Zaun: Well, I will tell you that the car title loans -- I mean there was a lot of pressure on me from the republicans in regards to shutting down the car title companies in the state of Iowa. I broke ranks there. And I will continue to do what I think is right. And I will do what I think that the people that sent me in Washington, DC, or sent me to the capitol in Des Moines what they think is best. Certainly I will listen to all of them.
Boswell: It doesn't match up with what he's saying about bringing people in to talk with him. Take a page of out the play book that put us in the ditch and go back to the same policies. That doesn't make a lot of sense. I can't connect that --
Borg: Well, one of the things you're saying about him is that he hasn't managed his personal finances well. Do you stand by that?
Boswell: Well, here's the thing --
Borg: Do you think it's fair?
Boswell: Well, let me respond to that, Dean. I appreciate that question. You go ahead and preach personal responsibility and say this is what you've got to do. Well, you ought to be practicing it and you ought to be kind of sympathetic. You ought to realize that you get in those situations and sometimes you've got to go to -- like going to the neighbors. when we was raised on the farm down there, if something went wrong with one of the neighbors, we stopped what we were doing and went to help. So it's okay to ask for some help and give somebody a little lift up and particularly if you've been through some of it. So I don't understand where your sympathy is or your understanding is coming from, because it's not connecting.
Borg: Mr. Zaun --
Boswell: It sounds like a disconnection to me.
Zaun: My personal response was this. I've been through tough times. I talked about this when I made my announcement. There was a time when 2001 came along and I owned that hardware store and Home Depot and Lowe's came in and then 9/11 hit and I had to make some adjustments. My business went down. I had to pay my employees before myself. But what I did is what my parents taught me. And personal responsibility is taking care of the bills that you have, and I did that. I've struggled like so many people in the third congressional district. There's 114,000 Iowans that are unemployed right now.
Borg: Talking about struggling, Leonard Boswell, you have a farm background as well as a political background.
Boswell: That's true.
Borg: Tom Vilsack, Federal U.S. Agriculture Secretary, said that this week that -- defended farm subsidies even though crop prices are high right now because he says we as consumers benefit from inexpensive -- relatively inexpensive food. Do you think that farm subsidies can be defended as being relevant in this contemporary price society?
Boswell: Something needs to be connected together. You know, people live downtown New York or downtown Des Moines or LA or wherever. We all have a vested interest in having successful food production and processing and so on. We do have the most available, safest, least expensive food in the world because we all invest in it through the farm bill. However, getting to your point there about the direct payments and so on. That's one of the reasons we started the hearings way in advance across the country which -- I chair a very important subcommittee that has a lot to do with farmers when it comes to commodities futures and risk management and so on. We're going to have to do some draw back, it seems to us. That's our prediction. So let us get out there to the producers and the processors and say, if we do this, what do you need the most. And they need that safety net. And we have got to be sure that it's accessible and it's available and it's affordable. And that's where I'm putting my concentration.
Borg: Mr. Zaun? On farm subsidies.
Zaun: Well, I'll tell you what I see. I definitely think we need to go through the process and see if it's a benefit to the taxpayers of the state of Iowa. I see -- of course, the farm bill surprised me with their coming out and saying that they're really close to saying no, stop the farm subsidies. But the fact is I see a lot of big, large corporations, corporate farms getting this money so I think it's something we need to look at.
Borg: Kay, you had a follow up.
Henderson: Back to the beginning of the program and biodiesel. Could you tell us whether you support the tax break for biodiesel, which is also a farm issue?
Zaun: Well, it expired here a year ago, and certainly I think that the biodiesel industry needs to grow, and at this point I would not support that.
Henderson: To put a finer point on farm subsidies, if you're elected, would you vote to get rid of them?
Zaun: I think we need to go through the process and look through what the benefit is to the taxpayers. We're all interested in lower cost of food. But I think when there's individuals or corporations getting more of the money than individual family farms, I think that's something that needs to be addressed.
Borg: You're shaking your head no.
Boswell: Well, the very statement that you're talking about -- concerning about the 114,000. What about those 80,000 people out there in the alternative fuels, ethanol and biodiesel and so on, and the efforts we're making to get us out of bondage to OPEC? You're not connecting, brad! You're just not connecting and that's part of my problem. There's a real situation out there that we've got to do better, and we have led out in Iowa, and I've been involved in it for years. And it's a stand-up business that we've got to continue to support and be sure we can make it solid. and we definitely should be supporting those biodiesel plants that are sitting out there idle because that is something we get from many different sources of food stock we can use to put into biodiesel and not be coming in from OPEC. They take it there, turn terrorists against is. We can do better. So you're saying just, no, I don't want to do that. I find that very hard to believe. Very hard to believe.
Zaun: I respectfully disagree. You know, when we as taxpayers invest $100,000 to $600,000 for each new job created, that's excessive. And I want that industry to survive, and I want it to flourish.
Boswell: You want it to survive. You just don't want it to do anything. My goodness!
Zaun: We can't afford it anymore.
Boswell: Well, we can't afford not to.
Glover: Mr. Zaun, you earlier said that you would not have supported some of the spending that was done under the stimulus program, the auto industry in specifics. What would you have done, nothing?
Zaun: The stimulus spending that was out there was rewarding states and schools and counties for bad behavior. We cannot afford that anymore.
Glover: So what would you have done, nothing?
Zaun: I would have done nothing. I would have let the economy take care of itself is what I would have done. We cannot afford the $14-trillion debt that we're handing on to our next generation. We've got to make tough changes in Washington, DC and I think every business should stand on its own two feet. I think every state should stand on their own two feet.
Boswell: Mr. Boswell, what would have been the consequences of doing nothing?
Boswell: Please, if you want to know what would have happened, go and walk through the FDR memorial. It would have been severe. A good implication point -- when we had that first from -- the tarp came out and I said let them fail and I walked the floor two nights. I went down and I went back through that and I said we can't go there. If we're going to go down, I want to go down fighting. So I went back to the caucus and I said to them, you know, there's risk, but we've got to do something. We've got to put some oversight on it. Paulson can't just have this -- the bush administration. We've got to do something. So we did and it failed. You might remember that. Like we came back from break and staff met me there and, well, what's going to happen, and I said I think we'll be called back. Three days later we were. I was at the airport getting my boarding pass, and the person behind the countered said, "May I talk to you?" and I said, "If I don't miss the flight, yes." and the individual said, "I was very angry at you last week." I said, "I'm sorry." But she said, "I got to thinking about this, and I'm investing into my future, my retirement plan and so on. That money is not in the stock or -- it's invested. If we went south -- if we went into a depression, I would lose that."
Borg: Mr. Boswell, just like you were going to miss that flight, we're running out of time here. Kay?
Henderson: Mr. Zaun --
Boswell: Anyway, she was --
Henderson: Sorry, sir. Let's talk about health care. Would you repeal the entire plan or would you keep components of it in place?
Zaun: I want to address one thing that was said earlier in regards to privatization of social security. That is absolutely not true. We've got to fix social security. There's too many Iowans that depend on that. And your question again was?
Henderson: In regards to health care, would you repeal the entire package or would you keep components of it in place?
Zaun: You know, I would repeal the health care that was passed. Number one, we can't ford it. Number two, it's taken $500 billion out of Medicare, which is going to be very problematic. We need to make some changes in the health care bill. I've cosponsored some legislation in the Iowa senate in regards to buying across state lines. The other thing is we have got to -- we can't afford this. We cannot afford this but I do believe --
Borg: Can we afford the whole package?
Zaun: We cannot afford the whole package.
Henderson: Mr. Boswell, some of your colleagues in congress are running ads bragging about their vote on health care reform. Are you not among them? Why not?
Boswell: I'm certainly not running from it at all. I'm trying to define who I think this person is that I think people don't really understand. But I think that we couldn't afford not to do something. Health care costs are going up 18 percent last year, and that means that was the average. Some was much more than that.
Borg: Still going up, though, Mr. Boswell.
Boswell: Well, there's a transition period here. And again, nonpartisan -- which has no -- republican or democrat have said they were going to save $137 billion the first year -- or the first ten years, and the second over a trillion. So there's going to be a savings there, but it takes some time to get it implemented and get it into place. and to say to turn it back, you're going to say to those people with preexisting conditions, sorry, that's too bad, or the women out there that are being discriminated against and have to pay more just because they're a woman, sorry, that's okay, that they're going to let the doughnut hole continue to go on! Sorry --
Borg: just a quick response, Mr. Zaun.
Zaun: well, you know what, we were promised that we were going to be able to keep our own health care. If you look and see what just happened here, 21,000 Iowans were told they can't be part of Medicare advantage. There are 1,500 people in the Des Moines area that lost their job because of this health care thing and six other companies. And we're made promises. We need to make changes and I will support and I will be a very good advocate to make changes improve our health care system.
Glover: Mr. Boswell, we've only got about a minute left. I'd like to use that and I'd like you to divide the time up equally. You said something interesting earlier. You said that there's things that people don't understand about Mr. Zaun. What don't people understand about him?
Boswell: The -- doesn't fit what he's done. That's part of it. Back to the health care advantage. People don't understand. the Medicare advantage is still Medicare and because the cost of having somebody outside to manage this, kind of like the higher education situation where we've got a major fix in, people who will go off Medicare advantage are still in Medicare. They're still in Medicare. They're not going to lose their Medicare. There's going to be 500 billion saved, and that will extend Medicare out for twelve years. You still have Medicare. It's still there. -- Advantage of somebody orchestrating it because they couldn't -- the opportunity to make money there, taken away from the larger pool, which most Iowans are involved in.
Glover: Mr. Zaun, the same question to you. You've had a long, hard, tough campaign. A lot of charges have flown. You have an opportunity here to tell people what they should know about Mr. Boswell that they don't know.
Zaun: Well, you know what. I'm going to continue to run a campaign talking about issues. I challenge you, Congressman Boswell, to come up with one ad that talks about solutions or anything about my voting record. The fact of the matter is I think that it's unfortunate that you're going to make personal attacks. That all this campaign has been about, and that's all that's come out of your campaign. I want to listen to people and I'm going to continue serving the way I've served. And I just ask everybody to ask them one question when they go into the voter booth, and that is do you think the country is headed in the right direction, because Congressman Boswell thinks we're headed on the right path.
Borg: I have to interrupt because we're out of time. Thanks so much for being with us today. Two program reminders before we go. beginning Monday and continuing through Saturday this coming week, Iowa Public Television presenting six pre-election programs interviewing candidates in November 2's general election. Iowa Public Television's Paul Yeager hosting Iowa Candidates 2010 airing at 6:30 every night this week Monday through Saturday. You'll see and hear candidates seeking federal offices, but the U.S. house and senate, as well as those seeking statewide elected offices. Then on Thursday of this coming week, another program, third and final gubernatorial debate. Incumbent Governor Chet culver, challenger Terry Branstad, in a forum sponsored by Iowa Public Television and The Des Moines Register. You'll see the debate live at noon at Iowa Public Television's World .3 channel statewide, rebroadcast at 8:00 Thursday night on our main channel statewide. I hope you'll watch these special programs to help us all be better informed voters. I'm Dean Borg. Thanks for joining us today.


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| National Advisory Committee on Meat and Poultry Inspection (NACMPI) to Host Public Meeting
NACMPI will host a 2-day public meeting to review and discuss strengthening agency verification activities pertaining to veal and categorizing FSIS regulations as public health regulations. The meetings will be held on Jan. 16 and 17, from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. each day. Registration will begin on site at 8:30 a.m. each day.
Next week's meetings will take place in the first floor auditorium of the Patriot Plaza III building, located at 355 E St., SW, Washington, DC 20024. The meeting agenda and additional details are accessible at www.fsis.usda.gov/About_FSIS/NACMPI. For meeting information, contact Sally Fernandez at (202) 690-6524 or firstname.lastname@example.com.
In addition, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced this week, the appointment of members for the 2012-2014 term. For a list of newly appointed members, go to www.fsis.usda.gov/About_FSIS/NACMPI_Members/index.asp.
Food Safety Lessons Learned from the Lebanon Bologna Outbreak
FSIS announced on Jan. 8 the availability of a revised compliance guide on the safe production of Lebanon bologna products with respect to E. coli O157:H7 and other pathogens.
Specifically, this document contains lessons learned from the 2011 illness investigation and articulates how industry can meet FSIS expectations regarding the production of Lebanon bologna. During the outbreak investigation, the agency identified that inadequate validation of the Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point (HACCP) system design may have led to the production of adulterated product. To review the revised compliance guide, go to www.fsis.usda.gov/
Regulations_&_Policies/Compliance_Assistance/index.asp .
This version of the guideline is considered final and replaces previous versions of the document. No comments were received during the open comment period for the previous version. However, FSIS made a change to the recommendations related to relative humidity as a result of an askFSIS question received. FSIS encourages establishments that manufacture Lebanon bologna, as well as those that manufacture other fermented, semi-dry products, to use this guidance document.
Export Requirement Updates
The Library of Export Requirements has been updated to reflect changes in export requirements for the following countries:
Complete information can be found at www.fsis.usda.gov/Regulations_&_Policies/
Export_Information/index.asp .
FSIS Posts Third Quarter Salmonella and Campylobacter Report
On Dec. 28, 2012, the agency posted to its website the third quarterly progress report of calendar year (CY) 2012 on Salmonella and Campylobacter testing of selected raw meat and poultry products.
This report provides preliminary data from July to September 2012 on all establishments eligible for Salmonella testing that have completed at least two sampling verification sets since June 2006.
As of September 2012, of all establishments in all product classes, 80.8 percent are in category 1, which illustrates a decrease from second quarter CY12.
From 167 broiler establishments, 3,403 samples were analyzed with a 4.2 percent positive rate, representing a slight decrease from the 4.3 percent positive rate for second quarter CY12. This table lists percentages of broiler establishments by category as of September 2012.
FSIS continues to post monthly the names of broiler establishments demonstrating variable or inconsistent process control. The agency highlights performance for the broiler class because of its negative impact on foodborne illness. Since April 2008, FSIS has been posting category 3 broiler carcass establishment names.
FSIS will continue to post monthly the names of poultry establishments demonstrating variable or inconsistent process control. The complete report and program details are at www.fsis.usda.gov/Science/
Quarterly_Salmonella_Results/index.asp .
Note: This is also the fifth quarter to include Campylobacter sampling results for young chicken and turkey carcasses. A follow-up Constituent Update will be issued to discuss these results in greater detail as more data becomes available.
Get Answers at askFSIS
AskFSIS is a web-based technology and policy question-and-answer forum on topics such as exporting, labeling, inspection, programs and procedures. In addition, askFSIS offers Really Simple Syndication (RSS) feeds that link back to the Q&As.
Visit http://askfsis.custhelp.com/ to view recently posted topics.
Updates on FSIS Testing for E. coli
FSIS posts bi-weekly updates for the agency's raw ground beef E. coli sampling program. Included are testing results of raw ground beef component samples for E. coli O157:H7 and STECs from FSIS routine and follow-up sampling programs. Also featured is data for non-O157 STECs by each non-O157 STEC serogroup.
To review testing results, go to www.fsis.usda.gov/Science/
Ground_Beef_E.Coli_Testing_Results/index.asp .
Webinar Available on the Labeling Submission System
FSIS is offering webinars on the Labeling Submission and Approval System (LSAS)—a web-based application for accepting label submissions that launched last May.
The discussion will focus on the steps establishments can take to register and submit label applications. LSAS allows industry to electronically submit the required information to obtain label approval. It also makes it possible to flag application submission errors that could delay the approval process, and allows users to track the progress of their submission.
Webinars are scheduled for 2 p.m. ET on Jan. 23, Feb. 20 and March 20. To access the webinar, go to https://connect16.uc.att.com/usda/meet/?ExEventID=85277207 and follow the on-screen instructions. For questions, contact Kristin Goodwin at (301) 504-0878 or email@example.com.
PHIS Update
FSIS is gearing up to launch the industry functionality of the Public Health Information System (PHIS) to establishments nationwide. This will include the "plant management" role to review and print noncompliance records, respond to noncompliance records and appeal noncompliance records, view industry-specific reports and manage users associated with an establishment. The use of PHIS by industry is optional. For those who are interested in accessing PHIS, you must first establish a USDA eAuthentication (eAuth) Level 2 account. PHIS will not be accessible to anyone without an eAuth account. The steps on obtaining eAuth are:
If you need assistance or have questions about eAuth, contact the USDA eAuth service desk at firstname.lastname@example.com or 1-800-457-3642.
Faces of Food Safety: Introducing Douglas Fulnechek
"Faces of Food Safety", is an agency initiative that shares the stories of its dedicated workforce.
Fulnechek, the newest Face of Food Safety, says as a Supervisory Veterinary Medical Officer, he takes great pride in working to prevent foodborne illness and protect public health.
"Because I love my job so much as an Inspector-in-Charge/Supervisory Veterinary Medical Officer at the Food Safety and Inspection Service, I really don't need an alarm clock to get me up in the morning," says Dr. Fulnechek. "And I've felt this way for 24 years now."
To read the full story, go to www.fsis.usda.gov/About_FSIS/faces_food_safety/index.asp.
FSIS Policy Updates
FSIS issues notices and directives to protect public health. All notices and directives are available at www.fsis.usda.gov/Regulations_&_Policies/index.asp. The following policy updates were recently issued:


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£34m Council House opening its doors one month today
Posted: November 17, 2012|
THE doors to Derby's renovated and extended Council House will open its doors to the public in exactly one month today.
The past two years have seen staff moved out to other offices, removals, demolition, construction and refurbishment.
Currently 350 people are working on the £34 million project and with construction work nearly completed, staff will start to move back into the building from December 1. The process will continue through to February.
And from Monday, December 17, residents will be able to use the new Council House for all their council businesses.
While the exterior of the building looks cleaner, smarter and more inviting with its new glazed entrance, it is the interior which, in the words of the authority's chief executive, is like a "Tardis".
Adam Wilkinson, chief executive of Derby City Council, said he is "exceptionally pleased" with the result.
He said: "The quality of the product is extremely good. It is sustainable and cost-effective in terms of maintenance.
"It has been very innovative and it will pick up national awards for sustainable architecture.
"The council chamber is dead-centre and the atria and use of daylight is the key to the building.
"Instead of the previous never-ending maze of corridors when you saw no windows, it is a very different building now. It is like a Tardis."
When the Council House closed in December 2010, 500 staff moved out.
But from next month, 1,900 staff will start moving back in.
The maths will be achieved in part through a £14 million investment in new technology.
It means staff, where it suits their jobs, can work flexibly using iPads and phones to do work while out and about or at home.
The council faced criticism when it made the decision to spend millions refurbishing the existing building, rather than using the money to kick start a regeneration scheme in the city.
But Mr Wilkinson said: "When we looked into the Council House option, not only could it be done, but it could be done cheaper."


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Post game analysis: Eagles vs. Falcons
Posted on 07. Dec, 2009 by Mike Burke.
A solid win for the Eagles and a little help from the Giants has the Eagles in a tie for first place in the NFC East. The team clicked on all cylinders today and had a nice offensive performance which was backed up by a near shutout on defense. Hopefully this is a sign that […]
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San Diego, We Have a Problem: A Letter to Donovan McNabb
Posted on 17. Nov, 2009 by Tex.
"Veteran leadership is something we don't have much of. For the guys out there, we're trying to get the young guys going a little bit. But the young guys have to step up this time," quoting Donovan McNabb. Dear Donovan, I have to disagree. The young guys have stepped up, and you haven't become […]
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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Eagles Midseason Report Card by the Numbers
Posted on 13. Nov, 2009 by Tex.
The Eagles have finally reached the midway point of the season, and it's been a bumpy ride. Attempting to forget the soul-crushing losses against the Dallas Cowboys and the Oakland Raiders, it's time for the Eagles to take a good, long look at themselves because the road to the playoffs won't be an easy one. […]
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Philly Reider: Blue Blood, New Blood
Posted on 03. Nov, 2009 by Tex.
After two mediocre outings with the Oakland Raiders and the Washington Redskins, the Eagles finally woke up from their slumber and chopped the knees of the New York Giants. Eli Manning, predictable running plays and a porous Giants defense ultimately contributed to their demise. Eli was throwing lazily, and his receivers responded in kind. They […]
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Jeremy Maclin nominated for Rookie of the Week
Posted on 13. Oct, 2009 by Mike Burke.
Jeremy Maclin has been nominated for Rookie of the Week on NFL.com due to his stellar performance Sunday against the Bucs. Maclin recorded six receptions for 142 yards and hauled in two touchdowns. Maclin is up against fellow wide receivers Hakeem Nicks and Austin Collie, quarterback Mark Sanchez, and running back Knowshon Moreno. Out of […]
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Jeremy Maclin: Not a fluke
Posted on 12. Oct, 2009 by Mike Burke.
Jeremy Maclin had a breakout game on Sunday in only his second start for the Eagles. The rookie wide receiver recorded six receptions for 142 yards and two touchdowns. He was quite impressive, but I think many are questioning if this was a fluke or can we continue this type of production out of Maclin. […]
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Post game analysis: Eagles vs. Bucs
Posted on 12. Oct, 2009 by Mike Burke.
The Eagles improved to 3-1 on Sunday as they picked up another win against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This was a game everyone expected the Eagles to win so the 33-14 score came as no surprise. The Eagles did a lot of things right but also had some areas they can improve upon. Let's take […]
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Questions heading into this weeks matchup
Posted on 05. Oct, 2009 by Mike Burke.
The Bye Week is over and it's time to get ready for Tampa Bay. It was nice having a week off but I'm ready for Eagles football again. There are a lot of questions that will need to be answered this week regarding Sunday's match up with the Bucs, so lets take a look at […]
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Eagles offensive youth shows great promise
Posted on 29. Sep, 2009 by Mike Burke.
In Sunday's game we saw a lot of young players who were forced to step up into big roles due to injuries. Rookies LeSean McCoy and Jeremy Maclin were asked to be starters in only their third regular season game in the NFL. Kevin Kolb was asked to lead the Eagles to a win so […]
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Eagles shine against the Chiefs
Posted on 28. Sep, 2009 by Mike Burke.
The Eagles needed to go out Sunday and get an impressive win, and that is what they did. They looked good on both sides of the ball and Kevin Kolb was able to lead the team to a win. In doing so, Kolb became the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for over 300 […]
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What I'm looking for tonight – Jacksonville edition
Posted on 27. Aug, 2009 by Mike Burke.
If you were on the site last week, you know that I wrote about all the things I was looking for during the game with the Colts. I've decided to follow up that post with a similar one for tonight's match up with the Jaguars. So here it goes: 1. Michael Vick This is a […]
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Should Maclin give up return duties?
Posted on 24. Aug, 2009 by Mike Burke.
After Jeremy Maclin fumbled his first punt return effort against New England, I blamed it on first game jitters. Fumbling a kickoff against Indianapolis has no excuses. With that being said, there is the question of whether or not Maclin should continue his return duties. We have all seen how games can be ruined over […]
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Offensive Rookies Will Be Pressured
Posted on 24. Jun, 2009 by Mike Burke.
When Training Camp comes around, I believe the three Eagles offensive rookies will be working harder than some of the guys who are just trying to make the team. I say this because all three will be expected to make contributions to this offensive immediately. None of them will be featured at their position, but […]


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So summer has been in full swing. I am finishing up my graduate work, my husband is studying for the BAR and my children are being farmed out to grandparents so we can get it all done! However, with all that said, my sanity is in the photography that i have been working on and I need to start sharing (all about procrastination when I start to blog from Finals.)
On the East Coast, the only time to get the sun coming up over the water is in the early morning and I have been making my trek to the Jersey shore quite early these days because I just love it and it really is not far for me AT ALL!!! So remember, I still have some dates in August open!
I am still in the process of getting myself a logo for debbie mcgeorge photography so i am using the art + life logo for the time being. With the website for the event company so close to completion, I can only focus on one at a time…. and it looks great on images!!!!


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Either I'm too stubborn or a slow learner, but I finally realized that I have to eat for the rest of my life, not "diet" for it, so I make sure I eat all the things I love, that comfort me, that satisfy me, only make them "lighter and healthier". Some things I really love are already pretty healthy. I love mushrooms, and prawns, and salmon. As for the rest I can either substitute or change the cooking methods and voila! It's pretty painless and something I can finally maintain for the long haul.
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I could never do a diet diary until I decided to make my weight loss journey something I could share and inspire others with. So I started typing everything every day...how I felt, what I ate, what recipes I found. It motivated me to think I might help someone else one day who feels fat and hopeless. I feel so much more empowered and I am becoming my own weight loss expert!
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Le Roy Soleil by Schiaparelli and Salvador Dali
C. 1946.The bottle and stopper are Baccarat. The base of the bottle is designed to represent a seascape with waves of blue enamel and gilding.
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10 Striking Sci-Fi Book Covers
Few book covers manage to be iconic and a good encapsulation of the book's conceits at the same time. Le Guin's story dealt with a frozen world where the inhabitants are genderless save for two days of the month, during which time they manifest a gender randomly and mate. Alex Ebel, who also painted the cover for Le Guin's The Dispossessed (and the classic "Friday the 13th" one-sheet movie poster), devised a striking and beautiful image that has survived any number of reprints.
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