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Several aspects linked to social are involved in the onset of depressive feelings. We aimed to find out if social adaptability and substance abuse predict depression among end-stage renal disease (ESRD) patients undergoing hemodialysis (HD).
We included 145 ESRD patients undergoing HD. Social adaptability was estimated by the Social Adaptability Index (SAI). Substance abuse was defined according to SAI. We screened for depression by applying the 20-item version of the Center for Epidemiologic Studies Depression Scale. A score ≥ 24 classified the patients as depressed. Comparisons between depressed and non-depressed patients were carried out and logistic regression was performed to test gender, age, total SAI, SAI without the substance abuse item, only the substance abuse score and substance abuse as a categorical variable (yes/no) as predictors of depression.
There were 36 (24.8%) depressed patients. There were no differences regarding demographic and laboratory data between the depressed and non-depressed patients. Mean SAI among depressed and non-depressed patients was, respectively, 6.1 ± 1.6 vs. 6.2 ± 1.9 (p=0.901). The percentage of patients with or without substance abuse among depressed patients was, respectively, 13.8% vs. 13.9% (p=1.000). Gender, age, total SAI, SAI without the substance abuse item, only the substance abuse score and substance abuse as a categorical variable did not predict depression.
Social adaptability and substance abuse did not predict depression in HD patients. We propose that aspects related to socioeconomic status not comprised in SAI items should be ruled out as predictors of depression.
Keywords:Depression; Dialysis; End-stage renal disease; Social adjustment; Substance abuse detection
End-stage renal disease (ESRD) patients undergoing hemodialysis (HD) cope with several problems and difficulties related to the disease and its treatment. As a consequence, depressive feelings are common among them [1,2]. We care for HD patients from a low-income region in Brazil. Our patients need all kinds of help to cope with the treatment, like housing for patients living far from the renal unit, provision of food and government financial assistance. So, we are very interested in all aspects of socioeconomic status and their relationship with patient outcomes. Previously, using a validated Brazilian instrument, we were not able to detect differences in prevalence of depression according to economic class [3].
In light of our daily practice of caring for socially disadvantaged patients, the data on the influence of socioeconomic status on depression led to our interest in finding socioeconomic predictors of depression among HD patients [4,5]. Searching for an appropriate instrument, we found the Social Adaptability Index (SAI) [6]. This instrument is a composite index comprising five kinds of social aspects: education level, marital status, employment status, income and substance abuse. As a sum of these five social items, SAI was able to predict death among HD patients and graft loss among kidney recipients [7-9].
Therefore, we aimed to compare the SAI between depressed and non-depressed HD patients and to test the SAI and its substance abuse item separately as predictors of depression.
The sample was composed of ESRD patients undergoing HD during June 2011 in the only renal unit in the north of Ceará state, northeastern Brazil. The renal unit works in the reference hospital of the region. The criteria for exclusion were age below 18 years and less than three months on dialysis. One hundred forty-five patients were included of a total of 160. Among the patients excluded there were 7 with less than three months on therapy, 5 who refused to participate and 3 under 18 years. All patients were undergoing conventional HD (three sessions of four hours per week) with polysulfone dialyzers (maximum number of reuses=12). The study protocol and informed consent were approved by the ethics committee of Vale do Acaraú University, with which the hospital is associated. All patients gave written consent to participate in the study. Even though not a criterion for exclusion, we determined after the informed consent that none of the patients in the sample had received treatment for depression previously.
Social adaptability index (SAI)
The index was calculated by the sum of five components: employment status, education level, marital status, substance abuse and income, as described by Goldfarb-Rumyantzev et al. [6]. All components were scored on a scale of 0 to 3, except for income, which was scored 0 to 2. In addition to total SAI, we tested the SAI without the substance abuse item, only the substance abuse score and substance abuse as a categorical variable (yes/no) separately as an independent predictor. The consistency of SAI tested by Cronbach's alpha was 0.851 for the total scale and within 0.835 and 0.858 for subscales.
Depression evaluation
We used the 20-item version of Center for Epidemiologic Studies Depression Scale (CES-D) [10]. We have been applying CES-D among HD samples for years and its consistency, tested by Cronbach's alpha, is within 0.850-0.900. Respondents rate items by recalling the past week and using a three-point response scale, with higher scores indicating the presence and persistence of symptoms. A score ranging from 0 to 60 is calculated by summing the score of each item. We classified depression as a score ≥ 24, as validated by Silveira and Jorge [11].
Patient data
The demographic data, time on dialysis and underlying etiology of ESRD were assessed in unit records. The underlying kidney disease was classified by clinical criteria and not by histopathology. The laboratory results were those routinely measured in HD patients: creatinine, albumin, hemoglobin, calcium and phosphorus and Kt/V. Kt/V was estimated using a second-generation Daugirdas formula [12].
Statistical analyses
Comparisons between depressed and non-depressed patients were carried out by the Chi-square test for categorical variables, and by the Student-t and Mann–Whitney tests, when indicated, for continuous variables. Logistic regression was performed to test gender (male as reference category), age, time on dialysis, total SAI, SAI without the substance abuse item, only the substance abuse score and substance abuse (no substance abuse as reference category) as predictors of depression. Statistical significance was considered to be a P value of <0.05. All the statistical analyses were performed using the SPSS version 13.0 program package [13].
The sample characteristics are shown in Table 1. The results concerning each component of SAI are shown in Table 2. Among 145 patients, there were 36 (24.8%) with depression. The comparisons between depressed and non-depressed patients are shown in Table 3. The mean SAI among depressed and non-depressed patients was, respectively, 6.1 ± 1.6 vs. 6.2 ± 1.9 (p=0.901) (Table 3). The percentage of patients experiencing substance abuse among depressed and non-depressed patients was, respectively, 13.9 vs. 13.8% (p=1.000) (Table 3). Gender, age, time on dialysis, total SAI, SAI without the substance abuse item, only the substance abuse score and substance abuse as a categorical variable were not predictors of depression (Table 4).
Our finding of 24.8% depressed patients is in accordance to the overall literature, which reports depression of 20 to 30% among HD patients [1]. We found the same prevalence of depression among men and women, in line with another study and also with our previous research [3,14]. We think the lack of gender difference is due to the powerful stressors associated with HD, which neutralize the gender differences occurring in the general population [15]. Social factors, like male perception of loss of the status of main household breadwinner due to illness, and biological factors, like low level of testosterone, a protective hormone against depression, can also be explanations [16,17].
We aware of divergences about the optimal cut-off of CES-D to classify depression. We chose a cut-off of ≥ 24, which is within the range for the screening of mild depression, described in the literature as being between 16 and 26 [18].
We were surprised that even though the patients come from a low-income area, the mean SAI of our sample is close to that found among American patients [6,7]. This can be due to the fact that socioeconomic disadvantages are risk factors for ESRD worldwide [19].
We were disappointed that SAI was not different between depressed and non-depressed patients, and did not predict depression. Our initial hypothesis of SAI being a predictor of depression was based on data about the relationship of socioeconomic aspects with depression [4,5]. On the other hand, we have to recognize that the links of low SAI score and bad clinical objective outcomes, like death and graft loss, are more easily explained by health care barriers, lower literacy level (negatively influencing treatment adherence), and less social support to help solve problems [9]. Our hypothesis was that all these factors could also be associated with depressive feelings. But when dealing with subjective outcomes such as depression, rather than with objective outcomes like mortality and morbidity, plausibility usually does not ensure existence. The main reason for unexpected results concerning subjective outcomes is the modulation of socioeconomic aspects by personality and ways of coping. Among the mechanisms proposed to explain how socioeconomic status influences clinical outcomes, social support is the best studied concerning depression. There is doubtless an overlap between social adaptability and social support, especially regarding aspects like presence of cohabitants, employment status and education level. On the other hand, some emotional aspects of social support, for instance reliance on friends and family or opportunities for emotional expression, can be independent of social aspects comprised by the SAI. Even when social support is evaluated by a specific tool, like the 24-item Social Provisions Scale, depression among ESRD patients depends more on patients' personality than on the perceived social support [20]. In this last referenced study, better social support among patients high in the personality trait of "agreeableness" was associated with a decrease in depressive symptoms, whereas social support had little effect on depression change for individuals ranked as low in "agreeableness".
In clinical practice, there are no widely used and well-validated instruments to assess socioeconomic status able to work as predictor tools in ESRD. So, an instrument like the SAI, validated as a predictor of objective clinical outcomes among HD and transplanted patients, seemed to us a very practical way of using a short instrument also to predict subjective outcomes, such as depression, surely a main outcome among HD patients. Medical monitoring of patients on HD is a hard task and renal units need to work with practical and, if possible, few instruments. Unfortunately, based on our preliminary data, SAI does not predict depression. Granted, our sample is small and from an underdeveloped area, which means there are more young patients and fewer diabetics, with glomerulonephritis being the main cause of ESRD. So, our results may not hold for other more typical samples. In our country, SAI was never tested as a predictor tool for any outcome. We believe our results can stimulate further research using SAI in larger samples with different profiles from ours.
The use of the SAI offered us an opportunity to evaluate an important question in HD patients: substance abuse. In the nephrology area, substance abuse must be highlighted as a risk for ESRD [21,22]. Substance abuse as a prior condition to the beginning of dialysis can be one explanation for the relatively high prevalence of substance abuse among patients undergoing HD. We found 13.8% of the patients admitted to being or having been substance abusers, a number very close to the 19% found by others [23]. Moreover, substance abuse also needs to be studied as an emotion-oriented coping method against stressors and difficulties of ESRD and HD. In our context of a renal unit located in a very poor region, we cannot forget that in the neighborhoods where most of our patients live the use of recreational drugs is very common, as is their sale.
There were limitations of this study, mainly due to the cross-sectional design. Trends of causality related to depression, social adaptability and substance abuse cannot be clarified. Also, no data about duration of substance abuse (previous or after the beginning the dialysis) were collected. A sample from a single renal unit is always a barrier for generalizations, and as previously commented, our sample is quite different from those from developed areas. However, despite these limitations, we emphasize that it is the first time the SAI has been studied in Brazil, which contributes both to stimulate new research in our country using the same instrument and opens the possibility for comparing results across different countries.
Social adaptability and substance abuse prevalence did not differ among depressed and non-depressed HD patients, and therefore these variables cannot be used as predictors of depression. We propose that aspects related to socioeconomic status not comprised in SAI items should be ruled out as predictors of depression.
CES-D: Center for Epidemiologic Studies Depression Scale; ESRD: End-stage renal disease patients undergoing; HD: Hemodialysis; SAI: Social Adaptability Index.
Competing interests
The authors declare that they have no competing interests.
Authors' contributions
PRS was responsible for the conception, design, analysis and interpretation of data. FPNA edited and made critical revision of the manuscript. Both authors read and approved the final manuscript.
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HP CEO hints at licensing webOS to third parties [update: video!] 118
On the stage at the D9 conference, CEO Leo Apotheker hasn't dropped any bombshells except, well, this: a response to the folks at This is my next:
Q: You might license to WebOS. That puts you in direct competition with Microsoft?
Leo: I happen to believe that WebOS is a uniquely outstanding operating system. It's not correct to believe that it should only be on HP devices. There are all kinds of other people who want to make whatever kind of hardware they make and would like to connect them to the Internet. We'll make it available to enteprises and to SMBs. It will run on lots of HP devices.
Q: Would you license it to HTC?
Leo: It is certainly something we would entertain.
Yowza. That's quite the about-face from previous statements both at HP and long-standing statements from Palm, where the "tight integration between hardware and software" ruled the day. It's been many years since an OS made by Palm found its way onto third party hardware and, well, back in those days it was the third parties (namely Sony and Handspring) that brought the real innovation to the hardware. While earlier in the talk Apotheker made it clear that initially HP is only looking to release their own hardware products to "gain credibility," the idea of HTC or Samsung bulding the hardware running webOS is tantalizing, innit?
Update: AllThingsD has posted the video of Joshua Topolsky's exchange with Apotheker, and it adds some additional context to the quotes. The video is after the break, but lets say that it seems that the HP CEO has more interest in sending webOS into closed corporate environments than to competitors like HTC. But... it's something he's willing to entertain. Either way, the fact that HP posted this onto their corporate blog indicates that they're not backing away from the comments - perhaps Apotheker's not a McNamee after all...
Sources: All Things D, This Is My Next, HP Data Central
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Unless they pick Huawei, ZTE, and Meizu, I don't see how any partners could do a worse job than what HP has done so far.
Samsung is all-in with Android and Bing, and Motorola is the same (and supposedly looking to develop THEIR own OS), but HTC might actually be a possibility.
Sounds good i guess. But isn't the about facing getting old from HP? Now this is a good idea? HP seems like they're making all this stuff up as they go with no coherency. Who knows what they'll say in another month..
I look at it this way: This is the first genuinely exciting WebOS development in eons. made the front page of ThisisMyNext.com in minutes. They should take notice at how people are reacting to this statement.
Both in how little excitement their devices produce and how much they need to expand the reach of this platform.
With the windows 8 announcement, HP looks a bit desperate now. Flipflopping on the licensing is just one sign. Ruby and Leo look lost out there at every interview.
The biggest failure for HP may just be them claiming they had millions of PC's to leverage when they were always Microsoft's to leverage.
Every windows screen will have wp7 (or similar) baked in. So much for that webOS on a PC talk.
I still maintain my prediction as made months ago that HP will dump webOS later, fire some people, and reaffirm their partnership with MS.
Bring back the Sony Clie and make it a smartphone. I'm serious. Sony can get back into it this way.
Leo really knows how to kill a hardware launch. The TP is coming this month and reviewers are going to say "This would work a lot better on HTC hardware...next year"
i loved my Clie Th55 its what made me love Palm stuff all those years ago!. It was permently attached to me at work long before smartphones existed!
i would love to see many companies bringing out WebOs devices its the only way to get the Os into the public consciousness.
An htc webos device w/a type of sense, maybe widgets, htc made the sprint pre, at least the first run...id entertain the idea too if i was hp, if hp did more like google with android theyd be shhhmart! Webos is way better than android its more like ios just minus the apps
HTC Android/webOS dual boot phone for the win.
Why would I want this?
HTC + Web OS? Bring it!!!
EVO 6G with WebOS FTW.
Might just be a good idea!
YES! Finally WebOS on Hardware that isn't **** Can you imagine the possibilities?
This is what will save WebOS. HTC knows how to make nice phones. No Pre3 for me, I will wait for 4g HTC 4.5 inch slate running WebOS.
NOTE: Wow, lot's of minuses, I guess you guys like to use crappy palm hardware! Sorry that some of use have high standards in life.
You may have a long wait for that.
good luck with that. You must have a long term view on things (and I mean LOOOONG term)
Yep, they just stated the POSSIBILITY and people already are awaiting that by next week HTC and 20 other vendors are going to launch their webOS-devices... ^^
HP, as they stated, first want to build up their own credibility and establish themselves as the only viable and clear third place eco-system and THEN they are going to think how to become second or even first (which probably only will be possible by licensing webOS to third-parties).
And this bodes well with that Samsung thread in the forums!
i hope if they do this HP will still make their own hardware. Then updates 'should' come quicker etc
I hope if they do this they will put on tight restrictions to hardware companies like Microsoft has with WP7.
Don't want all that overlay rubbish they put on android. A consistent UI across all the hardware would be better!
People skin Android because it's default ui is **** Then again all the skins are **** too so not much of an improvement there.
I suspect if WebOS ever gets licensed out that most partners would leave the default ui alone for the most part because it doesn't really need much tweaking.
Yeah I dunno if I like this (I know a whole bunch of people will disagree). If their licensing agreements cover not skinning the **** out of the OS I can get with it.
This could be really good or could be really bad. I would also HATE to see the Dr.s go away as well, hopefully if they do license and they lock down the agreements a little bit it will be all good.
Bring on the hardware, but lets try and keep the OS experience the same. Carriers already muck up enough of the software updates as it is, we don't need hardware manufacturers adding on to this.
If they do this it is full of win.... This way the palm team could focus on what it does best and let hardware makers fight on the screen size, display type and camera battles and so on.
They ccould still mandate certain minimums and so forth.
I don't see why licensing the OS to others would prevent HP from closely integrating their own devices.
I do believe this is the first piece of webOS-related information coming from Apotheker to make me raise a brow. This could be interesting.
And somewhere in HPville hundreds of "well connected" executives asked themselves: "What has Leo said/done now?"
Another episode of Leave it to Leo.
At least his statements excite people around here, whether they pan out or not.
Rubinstein, on the other hand, is the very definition of buzzkill.
true, very true
Haha. Yes, Leo is a true Salesman. Ruby is more like they guy sitting behind the desk coding, and Leo sales it.
I guess you are right. Rubinstein is the sort of guy who should rather be responsible for the engineering while Leo is a salesman ;)
Horrible Idea.
I think licensing the OS is a great way to gain major traction. But I cant help but think of the fragmentation this will bring to webOS. I think they should avoid licensing webOS if HP just puts better hardware and more form factors to market at a fast pace.
Fragmentation is not stopped Android from growing. Fragmentation is a techy problem. Regular people don't refrain from buying phone cause of it.
my mom just bought her first smart phone. with little input from me. she bought a tranform on sprint. it's an android horizontal slider. Never once has she mentioned "fragmentation."
it's just not an issue for most people so i don't think it's a problem.
It becomes an issue when you have applications, WAP sites, web apps, that will work on some phones and not others, some versions of the software and not others.
This make the cost of doing business higher for those creating sites and applications, makes brands and their agencies annoyed.
So, yes it is a problem.
"This make the cost of doing business higher for those creating sites and applications, makes brands and their agencies annoyed."
Doesn't concern me as a consumer in the slightest and When consumers walk into a Verizon store they don't mention this as a detriment and refuse to buy the phone. people want fragmentation to be an issue but the issue is their bottom line, especially with a company that's having earnings issues like HP. This isn't hitting phone makers bottom lines. And it wouldn't hurt HPs because those concerns don't keep non tech blog people, regular average consumers, from buying phones and that's all that matters.
the platform's already fragmented by Hp's choice. They obviously aren't concerned with fragmentation so log as they sell webos devices.
It's so scary! If webOS had fragmentation, then can you imagine the horror? It'd be like the Pre unable to run Pre2 applications! It'd be like the Pixi unable to run Pre applications! IT'D BE HORRIBLE! Let's not let that happen to webOS, the platform safe from fragmentation!
(yeah, that was a little heavy on the sarcasm, sorry).
C'mon webOS is fragmented like crazy.
If HP licenses out WHICH THEY SHOULD BTW, they need to do it the way Microsoft did it. Require certain things. Same aspect ratio. Certain speed chip. Some amount of RAM or more. Etc.
Having hardware people compete with each other to make better and better hardware is a huge plus. That's why there's so many great android phones out there.
Having only one available phone can work if your company is awesome at industrial design. Sorry but HP/Palm are not Apple.
WebOS doesn't need to become another Android. WebOS is a nicely designed operating system where as Android has become a mashed up codes both by Google and the licensee companies which is what makes it sluggish and counter intuitive.
I don't think Apotheker meant licensing it out like Android. Since WebOS is scalable he probably meant licensing it out for other web enabled devices such as home appliances and maybe TVs. Very doubtful that they would do this for phones and tablets. At the very most they might do it the way they did for Treos having a company like HTC build the hardware for them.
webOS on Galaxy S lineup!!!!
Android on 3rd party devices = fragmentation
webOS on 3rd party devices = what fragmentation
WebOS is already fragmented. Nothing is on the same Page.
At least with HTC on board we might get some decent hardware.
WebOS isn't fragmented really. Older hardware phones just can't be updated simple. Fragmentation means hardware companies are putting their own custom version of the OS which prevents the OS from getting directly updated when a new source code is available.
For instance when Google puts out a new version of Android HTC would have to take that update and start updating their own version of Android that they have put on their phones. This means all the updating will now have to come from the hardware company. This is fragmentation you are getting your updates from the company that made the phone rather than the company that made the OS.
Imagine if the Windows that you have installed on your computer had to be updated by Dell or HP rather than Microsoft. It would take for ever to get all those critical security updates leaving you vulnerable in the mean time.
It is fragmented. Let's ignore the fact that the Pres are stuck on webOS 1.x and can't run any webOS 2.x apps. (Which is what the main issue for Android fragmentation is isn't it?)
You can't use all the apps on a Pixi if I remember correctly.
Here comes the fragmenting of Webos. Guess we will have to buy HP to get a vanilla/pure Webos experience. Sound familiar.
As opposed to Sprint having 1.4.5 users, Verizon having 220.127.116.11 and whatever is on the Pre 2, At&T having 2.1.2, the tablets having 3.0.....?
like i said above, it's not most preventing people from buying android phones.
"tantalizing, innit?" ... 'tis!
I have to believe he was thinking more of the home appliance market. Unless HP wants to get into manufacturing fridges, freezers, dishwashers and toasters they have to license webOS to established companies to get it in the home.
Sure they mentioned HTC in the follow up but I see that as a last resort if the Veer, Pre 3 and whatever follows fails. Personally I want webOS on as many devices as humanly possible.
I don't get why HP can't outsource hardware to HTC instead of licensing the OS... I agree on all the fragmentation comments.
I may be wrong but I believe selling licenses is not only less risky than manufacturing but its more profitable. Profit margins on technology can be pretty slim.
Yeah they could do it like the way Palm did for Treos. HP is a big hardware company though and we still haven't seen a design by HP yet. Both Veer and Pre3 are clearly Palm designs so we have to wait and see what HP can design hardware wise.
No, no, no. I don't like that. It mustn't be a second android system. It mustn't be a fragmented system.
webOS was fragmented the day the Pixi was introduced. It has become more so with the new devices and OS versions. Ever wondered why some apps don't run on a Pixi?
I don't think so. The Pixi has some restrictions because of the hardware (gpu, screen) but it had the same webOS version as the pre. HP have to avoid this which means they have to support their devices. If there are other manufactures they have to support these devices too.
Pixi/1.4.5/2.0/2.1/2.2/2.3 (when pre3 releases)/3.0 (when Touchpad releases) /all the geographical special editions; Palm is the most fragmented o/s there is. They even have fragmentation within the same device. And the lack of apps and develers speaks to the level of fragmentation present.
Bad call HP. You have the ability to make amazing hardware, yet you entice the thought of licensing the IP you collected with the purchase of palm (even though you said you didn't buy it soley for the IP)
We've seen how bad the android fragmentation is, and enough people complain already about how they haven't gotten the latest version of WebOS on their phone. Head on over to any andoird site, and you'll seen MILLIONS more complaining about how their phone will never get even the slightest update.
All in all, bad call HP, just make better hardware, and keep your ecosystem as closed and seamless as possible. That is all.
Imagine Galaxy S II running webOS, OMG
All the concerns of fragmentation keep focusing on android.
But that is not the only way. WP7 is a much tighter model of integration with 3rd party hardware vendors.
WP7 has only recently come out. Just wait a few years and see where they are at.
Their model doesn't allow for the level of fragmentation that you see in Android. Even in a few years, it won't look like Google's OS. Besides, as much as people moan about the fragmentation in Android, it isn't really all that bad. So you are on 2.2 instead of 2.3. The practical differences aren't what Engadget et. al. make them out to be.
Its the same with webos, people already complain about not having 2.1 as opposed to 2.0.1. Not too many differences, its just the mindset of having the latest and greatest.
And what in their model doesn't allow for the amount of fragmentation that android has?
people act like Android is failing because of fragmentation. It's actually quite successful.
Samsung has already expressed an interest - see the forums for that thread.
I think this is terrific - Id venture to say that HP will still make hardware, and also license WebOS to strategic partners for certain devices - this is a huge advantage for HP and WebOS, as the potential number of devices that can get into consumer's hands increased dramatically.
About "fragmentaion" - well, I dont think anyone could touch the UI code like Android experiences with different overlays, but, for sure, different OS versions will wind up on different devices over time, which is to be expected, but that's about it, Id think.
I'd be okay with this as long as they work by themselves or with a manufacturer to produce a flagship device like the Nexus 1 and Nexus S. Those type of devices get the latest software first. Please don't make it open source.
Does this mean there actually is a God?
"the idea of HTC or Samsung bulding the hardware running webOS is tantalizing, innit?"
Not to me it isn't. After using a Samsung Android phone for 6 months, I saw the horrible fragmentation and incompatibility that comes from having too many chefs with hands in the pot. What ran on my friend's Droid X would crash on my Epic.. sometimes vice versa. Some apps in the market would specifically say they weren't compatible with Motorola handsets. Some OEMs are great with updates, some lag for months on end. Different OEMs with altering the OS in different ways to integrate it with whatever hardware they use making the versions of webOS slightly different on each so devs have to write their code to accommodate all of them or risk their app not working...
It's a can of worms I really hope webOS never has to open.
Judging from the speed that HP/Palm moves products out the door, And given that I am hanging on to my Sprint Pre Minus, I say YES.
Maybe then we will get some new hardware out here.
Couldn't hurt to have different WebOs phones on Different Carriers.
I think the concerns about fragmentaion amount to nothing more then a Red Herring. If google only let out one version of Android, then there would be no fragmentaion in their market.
As it is - HP/Palm left the door open to a fragmented base by Not updating the Old Pre's Plus or not, and giving us No New Hardware to replace the old phones with.
last time I checked didnt samsung already express interest in using Webos? So I think they would def be on board for using Webos on devices.
could you imagine this? The new Samsung Infinium (made up name) running HP webOS.
It's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure they could keep up with the software demands from the hardware manufacturers. Could you imagine:
HTC: "We want our next phone to support video out. When will webOS support this?"
HP|Palm: "In the coming months"
Hi all, the more I think about it having a third party involved would certainly spark more interest for additional apps!
Take care, Jay
I also wonder if he's talking about non-phone-related 3rd parties.
He sounds like someone who's trying to give you what you want to hear. Perhaps Leo should get into politics.
:-) Well, just looked at the video and it seems he really is only talking about non-phone 3rd parties. The response to the HTC question does sound like an "I hope this is what you want to hear" response.
I don't think this means what the fans here thinks it means however. webOS on an internet connected TV, for example, does not mean my webOS phone will "easily" connect to and control my TV anymore than my linux pc can "easily" connect to and control my [linux-based] TiVo.
So I can't get excited about this until an actual plan that can be examined is made public.
Leo's talking about toaster manufacturers. We won't be seeing an HTC device anytime soon. "It is certainly something we would entertain." is just-telling-you-what-you-want-to-hear-speak for "Not likely."
Wow. I expected to be in the negatives...
i gave you one for that last one ;)
As long as HP doesn't allow the hardware manufactures to lockout existing features or updates, I'm totally OK with licensing webOS.
I also believe that phone data should not be discriminately charged, e.g. phone as modem cannot be charged more simply because of where the data is originally called from or ends up.
I think this would be great and the fragmentation issue is a non issue. WebOs is already fragmented. HTC or Samsung or LG running WebOs might get me to come back. Even if it did cause the OS to fragment (wich it already is) then HP could make their own flagship device that would offer a vanilla WebOs device that would get ota updates from HP. And just think of the sick hardware that could be offered, because the Pre form factor is hitting on zero right about now.
Pretty certain Leo is referring to spreading webOS beyond phones and tablets but it wouldn't be long before HP would just licence the OS since it's an obvious win/win when you can avoid the expense of hardware support. After all, Leo is wanting to turn HP into a cloud/software company.
I loved my Kyocera 7135 with Palm OS. I thought it was a much better overall package than the Palm options (including most that came after Kyocera dropped out of that market).
This should have been the case with the Palm PRE... someone should have listened to me 2 yrs ago.
blah blah blah... where the funk is a new webos smart phone for Sprint??? 2 years since Pre- and I'm ready to throw this old piece of junk off a mountain. Or a skyscraper. WTF??
You've waited this long so why not wait another 6-8 months for HTC to come out for a webOS phone?
*If handled properly* webOS could be customized to each device or company or even right down to the user. That's not necessarily fragmentation. webOS is already customized this way via Homebrew, and the vast majority of webOS users benefit. webOS Internals, Canuck Software, and myriad homebrewers have paved the way in this regard.
Before it can get into hands of third parties, they will need to fix webOS's boot time.
Leo was kinda scary there. Josh seemed almost timid. I think we need a Vampire photoshop of him.
If this was actually done, there wouldn't be any limits for HP's Enterprise WebOs farms and Clouds from connecting to WebOs devices. Then Industry Domination would be finally won.
So Web OS in my Car and on my toaster? Too good to be true. Charmin + Web OS = Me never running out again...
Pretty exciting! Perhaps when my Pre 3 has been beat to cr*p in a year, there will be a third party hardware option. Okay, prob more like two years..
Oh Man! I will stick with WebOS for sure if I can get a phone with an High Res screen, upgradable SD card slot, and the upcoming Nvidia Kal-El SOC! The hardware is the only thing making me want to switch.
I think it may be the only way to play catch-up to android and apple. License and get many HW manufactuers to pump out webOS devices. Good for me as a software developer too. Loved my handspring and clie.
This is very interesting because Samsung a few day ago said they interested in licensing WEBos. May be they want to leave Android and focus on WEBos and this would be awesome imagine WebOS on On Samsung Galxy S2 with that beautiful AMOLED display. Or maybe on a beautiful Samsung LED SMART TV. Oh the possibilities!!!!!!!!!
SAMSUNG ARTICLE: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/05/samsung-interested-in-licensing-webos/
interesting read.. I think Apothekar had just put across an idea and it's become viral. Smart move. The news has spread even faster then the launch of Veer, and has permeated other websites which reviews Non WeboS phones...
He's a very smart man. By saying this..and putting it out in the web as a possibility the following will happen.
a. News of this will spread to various NOn Webos sites.? - achieved.
b. News has become viral -achieved.
c. other players like Samsung / HTC might come knocking on the door? -maybe achieved.
d. Increased potential developers? - maybe achieved.
On whether webos will fragment? doubt it would. Should HP do it this way, they'd force those who wanna OEM webos for their phones to do the following.
a. No change to UI (like MS)
b. You can go develop special apps (this is good for webos)
c. Increase phone range - (yes)
d. increae integration to other Multimedia devices? - possible think of the Webos phone being an extension of a SMART Samsung TV or a Media player? Or even SAMSUNG might do a interface device that enables a person to swipe cards on SMART TVs while sitting down ( following X-box technology). Possible?? yes. This is one area of weakness for HP in their ecosystem - Media technology - Displays, Media players , the sitting room space.
Most people misunderstand what fragmentation means. Fragmentation doesn't mean that you have different versions of the OS out. that is just unavoidable due to hardware limitations as you move on.
Fragmentation means that you have different flavors of the same version of the OS out and when Palm puts out an update for the OS you can install that update because your OS was modified by a third party company so you have to wait for the third party company to provide that update.
This would mean no more over the air updates which is the best part of WebOS. We saw how WP7 which is supposed to be a tightly watched OS had an issue with the update they released.
Fragmentation means that you become reliant on the hardware company for your software updates.
Fragmentation is both hardware AND software; it is also inevitable.
* The Pixi caused the first hard fragmentation in the webOS ecosystem.
* The different OS version have also caused fragmentation.
* The split between pre-Pre2 and post-Pre2 has also added to the fragmentation.
* Mojo vs Enyo has added to the fragmentation.
* Heck even Verizons "gps policies" contributed to fragmentation (just ask the users and developers of gps-based apps how much fun that was)
I've seen many comments concerning fragmentation, and personally, I don't think the average consumer cares all that much about it, or is even totally aware of it. That's why Android's still so successful despite its many 'flavours.' But HP's also in this for the enterprise market, and you certainly don't want to have fragmentation when you're dealing with corporate matters. "Well, we can't give our thousands of employees this app that will make their jobs easier because they all have various OS version through various hardware manufacturers." Gingerbread and Honeycomb won't come out the same day for an EVO as it will for a Galaxy phone. Or a Droid. Mostly because of the varying UIs and, of course, the carriers.
Personally, I'd rather buy an HP phone with HP webOS. We've really yet to see how this will all play out. HPs made some empty promises, but I think once the products hit the market, things will start to take off. But hey, I'm an optimist.
I don't think the enterprise cares as much as people want to believe. I can't tell you the number of times we've had to make a call against "apps that would make employees jobs easier" because of something as simple as the version of Internet Explorer they are running. Most companies will simply standardize on a specific hardware/software configuration for a while (during which time, anything that doesn't fit is either ruled out or a change to the hardware/software configuration is considered).
Corporate America has been dealing with fragmentation for decades.
Probably HP has a plan on how to prevent fragmentation... Primarily it's only corp that is worried about fragmentation because they need their devices to work the with Emails/ and other enterprise systems. HP would want their devices to work with their printers, pads, laptops etc etc..
Thus they might so call provide applications specific to their HP enterprise range on their HP brands, and remove these for OEM Palm WEBOS.
The normal consumer does not care that much about fragmentation. 99% of them do not hack their phones, so they go for are phones that work as advertised, looks good, has good consumer apps, and is of quality.
HP can also probably try to prevent fragmentation by putting SLA's to OEM's that all patches would come from HP, like what MS does with Windows.
Fragmentation is actually more troublesome than people think even in a more closed environment like WebOS. Microsoft is already struggling with it with Windows Phone 7 despite their best effort to make sure all OS updates work on all phones. They've been having difficulties with all phones working with updates. In my eyes, I'd like to see HP work with other companies to help develop a stellar phone just as for example, Google has done to create the Nexus line. Having Samsung or HTC design the phones would be a wise choice as long as HP ensures, no matter the phone, the performance will always be in line.
made a bet long time ago with friend of mine
won the bet
was about licensing out webos.
at least, in the end, they realized....maybe :P
Given HP's inept methods of bringing hardware to market, it sounds like this is their way of getting out of that business but building market share in multi-tasking portable devices.
If HP is going to try to brand webOS then fragmentation is a huge problem. If they release a new HP device that has webOS compatibility and the customer buys it then it had better work, that day, with their Asus/HTC/Sony webOS smartphone. Otherwise it's going to be a frustrating return of a printer or a PC - just because they licensed webOS out to that manufactuer for $10 or whatever.
If Palm had licensed to third parties from the beginning, they could be where Android is right now. Palm's way too far behind to take on Apple & Android by itself. Sign up the third parties! (if they're even interested at this point...).
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Wow. I am speechless, dumbfounded, and left scratching my head. Dieter quiting and webOS getting licensed out. Is the world coming to an end??
@gfdos.sys - so true
The thought of a hybrid WebOS / Android crossover sends me into joy spiral although all that really needs to be done is stick theWebOS cards interface and notifications on Android and your pretty much there...we already have the apps and a better out of the box experience.
I think I had already said somewhere...gimme a BB Torch with WebOS 2.1 and I would have crawled over broken glass to get one...I would still, had I not been super spoiled by the Samsung Galaxy S2. Now...put a touch of WebOS on the S2...that would indeed be awesome.

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"We are not going to be marching through 5th Ward," said OCT Founder CJ Grisham, "we're going to hopefully be marching with 5th Ward."
Open Carry Texas believes that Texas' gun laws continue to be rooted in racism. In order to obtain a concealed handgun license in Texas, one needs to shell out over $250 in fees and requirements to do so. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the poverty rate in Texas was 14.4% in 2010, the date of the last census. In the African-American community, the poverty rate was 27.1%, nearly twice the state poverty rate and almost three times higher than non-Hispanic whites. In other words, the extreme cost to obtain a license in Texas – over $250 – disproportionately prevents African-Americans from getting one.
Texas law prevents anyone convicted of a Class B misdemeanor or higher from qualifying for a concealed handgun license for at least five years. The convictions do not need to be related to violence or even involve a gun. Some examples of "crimes" that will cause you to lose your CHL or fail to qualify for one are littering, writing a hot check, or even certain traffic infractions not involving another person.
Much like the Jim Crow laws of the past, Texas gun laws seem geared towards preventing the minority community from exercising their rights. We aim to change that.
Open Carry Texas also announced that they'll have a real-life black person marching with them, Maurice Muhammad. As Liberaland pointed out, Muhammad is a radical who promotes the killing of police officers on his Facebook page. He also is apparently the leader of a group that openly wishes for a race war. Liberaland also pointed out that OCT's blog entry is more about Grisham's own issues with the law than his concerns about the black community. While he talks a big game about unfair laws regarding gun ownership, and he positions himself as some kind of civil rights fighter, the reality is that he himself has a conviction on his record and cannot apply for a conceal-carry license. Which is likely the reason he started this group in the first place.
Anyway, these gun nuts plan on marching through the Fifth Ward on August 16th. Once again, like they claimed last time, this is only supposed to be a peaceful demonstration as well as a charitable action. They just want to educate the residents of the area. They positively, absolutely do not want anything unseemly or ugly to occur. Nuh-uh. No way. And this time, no one can claim it is all just a bunch of white guys marching through a black neighborhood carrying a bunch of guns. Because they got a black guy with them. It is totally cool now.
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"We are not going to be marching through 5th Ward," said OCT Founder CJ Grisham, "we're going to hopefully be marching with 5th Ward."
The first armed black man that walks up to that crowd will be shot. It's a hell of a way to make a point.
There will be armed black people in the group.
Hope the bruhs there don't fall for the banana in the tailpipe..
You have to say it with more bass. Like this, "we're not gonna fall for a banana in a tailpipe."
why the eff are you calling them a "gun rights" group? they are a gun fetishist cult, at best. they have all the rights anyone could ask for. stop giving them more legitimacy than they deserve (which is: none).
and while we're at it: let's stop using the term "gun control". nothing is under control. gun safety. gun responsibility. real goals that will not erode rights yet will make us all safer.
No, T.A. we don't have all the rights we want, and all the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. In Texas it is illegal to openly carry a pistol or revolver. The only guns legal to carry are long guns (rifles and shotguns).
We don't want to carry long guns. They are too big, too heavy, and too awkward. If the legislature will decriminalize the carry of handguns the long guns will go away.
That is called "political activism," not "cult" or other examples of ad hominem. :)
Actually they are a civil rights group. They are working closely with Texas legislature. So much so that both major candidates for governor support open carry. Perhaps you should read the recent 9th circuit court decision. It certainly puts their cause square in the middle of a civil rights debate. And yes it is control. Safety has nothing to do with it. Knee jerk emotional laws based off of emotion will not and can not combat the real issues, and it isn't guns BTW.
People in poor neighborhoods need to be able to protect themselves. Gun laws are very much racist, and effect those that need it most.
So good of OTC to let people in 5th ward know when not to be out and about in their own neighborhood, Wonder how many of the homes there have a good sightline to the marchers?
They should march in their own damn neighborhood and play cowboys, and indians,or cops and robbers.Maybe while they are marching in the black neighborhood,the blacks should march in the white neighborhoods….What do you think?
I think they should march behind them. Close behind them. With 'Open carry.'
Maybe all should join together for the cause. Blacks join the whites and whites join the blacks. Black people also legal carry….open & concealed.
I think this is the real issue.
If Nation of Islam decided to organize a march for heavily-armed black men through predominately white neighborhoods, there would be a complete meltdown.
I can only hope they do this; I'm standing by with the popcorn.
I think that is a great idea. The more marchers we have to more Austin will have to listen. Anyone from the 5th is welcome in my neighborhood any time they want to march for all of our rights. :)
So when they walk through the 5th ward are they expecting the fellas to rise up and march all the way to Austin and demand to speak to the Governor and force him to let all black men wear guns into the local convenience stores? yeah right. They don't understand that the police treat black and white men differently. A white man walks down the street with a gun the cops will have a chat with him and then move on. A black man walks down the street with a gun the cops will call the SWAT team, FBI, National Guard, Sheriff, CIA, Immigration and your baby momma. They would fire every gun they have, reload and fire again just to prove a point.
"A black man walks down the street with a gun the cops shoot him if a white guy with a gun doesn't get to it first."
There. Fixed it.
They DO understand fully the black/white differences with the cops. That's part of the reason they're doing this, hoping it will spark an incident that they'll come out of blame free.
If that is the case those cops need to be fired. Then arrested. Then convicted and jailed.
Will they make Maurice Muhammad wear a red shirt?
How is MARCHING through a minority neighborhood with weapons "educating" anyone? Weapons in the hands of white men is what has gotten the people in this neighborhood killed since the beginning of this nation. All this is is terrorism. This group is a terrorist group not an anything rights group. They fight for the "right" to kill whom ever they chose.
It was the racist gun control laws that disarmed African-Americans that got them killed. Unfortunately the KKK is still alive and well and still disarming African-Americans. We are trying to stop that. Are you?
Here again everyone, is another episode of 'Some White Boys being Stupid!
Let's just see how much camaraderie they have when a bunch of Blacks march in rural or suburbia communities w/ Assault Rifles! Does SYG have a familiar ring.
Is Texas a "Stand Your Ground" state?
So..since Texas is a Stand your ground state, if a black man who lives in the neighborhood the are going to march in feels threatened, can they shoot one of these morons??
And here I thought gun control advocates were about reducing gun violence.
Must only be about reducing gun violence for people with like-minded opinions.
Closed minded "progressives" like yourself are the only ones in this issue who call for offensive violence. Sure, there are a few pro gun morons who think that Muslims/minorities/etc. are the problem, but that is only a tiny fraction, and most of us openly disagree, and shun those people.
We don't talk about or desire to kill people we disagree with. That's on YOU. Your side constantly claims to want "an open discussion", yet shuts down any attempt by us to do so. Either you censor comment sections on youtube videos, facebook pages, and blogs, or you immediately resort to ad hominem attacks, say we deserve to die, and refuse to even listen.
I literally can not find a single comment section on an anti-gun story without AT LEAST one of each of the following: A reference to penis size, calling us unintelligent racists/hillbillies, advocating violence against pro gun people and the NRA, or often even wishing death on our children.
Want us to take you seriously? Cut this…
a white terrorist group is prepared to march through s predominantly black neighborhood. included in this group is the leader who belongs to the john birch society. a group that in all sincerity are the intellectual version of the kkk.
this leader has found a black man who belongs to the Nation of Islam. He is a muslim and follower of the late Louis Farrakhan.
the same Louis Farrakhan who thought all black people should attack all white people.
there is something seriously wrong with this picture.
Louis Farrakhan is still alive.
The John Birch Society is the KKK for where there aren't enough ignorant hillbillies to make up a posse to do the dirty work for the JBS.
They might as well be wearing white robes and hoods!
Texas has adopted the Castle Doctrine, to answer someone's question.
First of all, how in the hell are you going to educate anybody if you are an idiot. And second, I would like to see them go to nearest cliff and march over the edge.
Let me attempt to game this out:
They march, wearing bullet-proof-vests. They provoke a confrontation. People are shot. Their people don't die from the shootings. They have been baptized by fire, and live to tell the tale – because the people they shot are dead – but they become instant celebrities, and "true" spokesmen for Open Carry, because they are willing to risk death for their beliefs.
I only hope the neighborhood thinks ahead, and places cameras on every rooftop and street-corner, to document their slimy tactics.
Do Bullet Proof Vest protect you from a head shot????????
It would be interesting to see what would happen if Blacks were to return the favor, and march armed, through a white neighborhood. Something tells me the law would be on the side of whites, if they opened fire and started shooting because they felt threatened.
This is the most non-nonsensical move in history.
The solution to this is quite simple. Get a hundred or so blacks and hispanics together and have them march through an all white neighborhood with their guns slung over their shoulders.
To the person who posted the late Louis Farrakhan, what is he going to be late to the march or late for Mosque? He's not dead, do you mean the teachings of the late Elijah Muhammad? Get your facts correct please.
You can bet none of these guys would be walking through a black neighborhood if they weren't in a large armed group.
And what's going to happen a few of those big bad N-n-n-n-n-n-nNEGROES start sniping at them?
5th Ward. Don't fall for it. You don't want any part of this mess. They don't give a rat's ass about your rights to open carry. They just want to see how many blacks have access to weapons for when they start their race war. Keep your stash hidden. Keep them guessing.
You guys need to recruit a Gay Gun Nut who can wear a Rainbow Robe!
The Pink Pistols, a LGBT pro rights group, is already on board. Good bunch of people. :)
These wackos are a danger to this country. They are appearing everywhere intimidating various groups. They are at the border as well, and makes me so angry, but I just feel helpless. We should not give up an denounce these groups, who are the modern day klan.
God….I'm going to have to stop reading the news! This guy who thought of this must have a marketing degree….(sarcasm).
If they had real strength they would leave their weapons and walk alone.
False bravado when they need their weapons to walk in a Black neighborhood,or face others who are unarmed,like kids at the border,most revealing.
We called them Bully's,seems fitting.
Sad,they truly need to pull on their big boy undies,and leave their penis extension/weapons at home,or at their Klan Circle Meetings..
Oh dear,they don't even see themselves as others do.
Didnt they try this before in Tulsa?
What could possibly could go wrong….
I think that nothing would please these loons more than to have one of their marchers shot, *particularly* in a black neighborhood. That's all the justification for Open Carry they would need for the next 50 years (and for lifting any pathetic remaining legal obstacles there may be to stockpiling arsenals) . Only the craziest of them would actually want to BE that martyr for the cause, but you can BET they would be pleased to see one of their own take one for the team.
Everyday, I get up and read something else about the craziness in this country and I worry myself sick with fear for my kids and my grandchildren. Every day there is another issue that is being fanned with flames of hatred-Americans hating their fellow Americans-when we should all remember that if you scratch any of us we all bleed red. Damn, I wish I could get that through people's heads.
These gun carry guys ARE terrorists for I know if I saw them coming through my neighborhood, I would be terrified. Too much can go wrong with so many fanatics carrying guns in one place.
Hi Elizabeth .. of all the comments I've read, yours appears to carry the most common sense! 100 Thumbs up!
Gun worship!
Every single point that C J Grisham made was idiotic and convoluted. Every time a gun cultist opens their cake hole stupid flies out, I don't even give them the honor of being human and to call them animals would be an insult to animals. The NRA has Blood on it's hands and money in it's pockets.
OK, sure. Just as long as these Open Carry guys cheer when black Open Carry members march through the predominately white neighborhoods with their weapons.
Good response: show up with a giant rubber dong strapped across your back and march with them. Say nothing.
They will hem you in, but this will use up five of them. Bring your friends.
Show up wearing a Guy Fawkes mask and a disposable clear hooded poncho, with giant neon-pink rubber dongs strapped across your back and chest, and march with them. Speak to nobody except law enforcement; your appearance is your communication.
You will be peaceably hemmed in and hidden from view by five marchers. So bring a vanload of dong-bearing friends.
(Deposit the friends in full regalia near the site and promptly drive off. Park in a busy parking lot, remove your license plates, and bring them with you along with your costume. Join your friends and suit up there.)
If people of color decided to organize such a march, they'd be met with the most brutal of force. Yet these yay-hoos will march through with their guns and machismo, and all the anatomical deficiencies for which their "big guns" are meant to compensate. I pray for the safety of all in that neighborhood, but just cannot believe we have so many instances of "redneckistan" in these country.
No, Barbara, we are not the problem. You are. I love how you resort to remarks about penis size and racism, which only shows you have no factual base to your argument, and are simply letting your prejudices and emotions do the talking.
As I said above, if a big demonstrating group of armed black men marched through my neighborhood, you're damn right I'd grab my rifle. Not to shoot them, but to join them, and I would do so with pride.
To me this is saying: —"Hey look, see…we can walk through YOUR neighborhood now, because we are in a group and WE HAVE GUNS. What y'all gonna do 'bout that now?
This seems like a provocative act. What else will it symbolize? Then what if a bunch of Gang-Bangers roll up on them in their drive by autos, and GLARE? A "whatchu' lookin' at?" moment will spark a shootout for sure. The white dudes will think they are in Somalia. Surrounded and saying: "What we got ourselves into now?" Maaaaaa!!!!
How does avicating for the right to open carry a modern pistol for all none felons = racist? We talk to citizens in all communitys about laws that affect them. If we didnt fight for the rights of all citizens then we could be seen as racist but its just not the case. We will be stationary, not marching as we would like to upset as few people as possible and will teach the current laws to those whom want to know what they are. We have had thouthands of safe and incedent free demonstrations and see no reason why this on should be any different. Also we are Americans, all of us. Some are male, some female, some old, some young. Certainly we do not all have white skin so to say we all do is simply untrue. I personally judge people on their actions, not by the color of their skin or their place of origin. Americans are Americans and suggesting violence against non violent, law abiding citizens while race baiting is just evil
Is Texas a Stand Your Ground state?
I think it's a great idea. They have no value for life, maybe not even their own. We'll see if they don't weasel out of it again. They think it's all a game & they are pretend GI-Joe's. Many of the young men in African American communities aren't going to play along. They are serious, know how to handle a gun & know what a code of silence is. The untrained, militia wanna be's might not know what hit them.
The people that live in these neighborhoods
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Report their punk-ass's…
They have CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TOO!!
humbly suggest they table an information campaign in 5th ward. May prove their "Brotherhood" if they join a campaign to take away 250$ surcharge on 2nd amendment rights in "Republic" of Tejas. May I also humbly suggest this best served by going forth unarmed? …as sign of "solidarity."
"Armed March Through Black Neighborhood"
That's called armed aggression in most parts o the world.
If a bunch of armed black people marched in their neighborhood, they'd call it a riot.
well…. i hope the 5th ward exercises their 'stand your ground' rights.
What, exactly, do these victims of small penis syndrome think they are going to accomplish?
When the open-carry armed group of black and brown people March through town, should they do it through the richest part, or past city hall and the police station?
The whole open carry idea is crazy.
In order to teach the law of any governed state you have to be a lawyer. Just do a public service announcement on the news because it will cost less.
Recently published and should be required reading for anyone who pretends to know anything about this issue:
Nicholas Johnson, "Negroes and the Gun: The Black Tradition of Arms," 2014. http://amzn.com/161614839X
This is a nation wide problem, and it isn't all about guns. Driving, media, hunting, national sports, decent housing , education, etc. The cost of any of these are becoming more and more expensive that any body under the medium income, cannot afford them. You can't tell me this isn't part of the plan. Only the Elite will be enjoying these things.
Bunch of pussies if yall believe in open carry so much stop ████ing with people in stores restuarants and neighborhoods. Go assert your second amendment rights at state and federal buildings. Let me see how much you really believe in your movement


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