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The God Delusionby Richard Dawkins
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A typically bold and incisive book from one of our great science writers, The God Delusion pulls no punches. I gave it to my cousin in hardcover last year, and he hasn't stopped citing passages since. "There are lots of people out there," Dawkins notes in the preface, "who feel vague yearnings to leave their parents' religion and wish they could, but just don't realize that leaving is an option. If you are one of them, this book is for you."
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In this provocative New York Times bestseller, now published in paperback with a new preface, the preeminent scientist — and the world's most prominent atheist — Richard Dawkins eviscerates the major arguments for religion and demonstrates the supreme improbability of a supreme being. The God Delusion makes a compelling case that belief in God is not just wrong, but potentially deadly. With rigor and wit, Dawkins asserts the irrationality of belief in God and the grievous harm religion has inflicted on society, from the Crusades to 9/11. Supporting his points with historical and contemporary evidence, he shows how religion fuels war, foments bigotry, and abuses children. The God Delusion also offers exhilarating insight on the advantages of atheism to the individual and society, not the least of which is a clearer, truer appreciation of the universe's wonders than any faith could ever muster. This is a book that challenges each of us to test our beliefs, no matter what beliefs we hold.
"The antireligion wars started by Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris will heat up even more with this salvo from celebrated Oxford biologist Dawkins. For a scientist who criticizes religion for its intolerance, Dawkins has written a surprisingly intolerant book, full of scorn for religion and those who believe. But Dawkins, who gave us the selfish gene, anticipates this criticism. He says it's the scientist and humanist in him that makes him hostile to religions fundamentalist Christianity and Islam come in for the most opprobrium that close people's minds to scientific truth, oppress women and abuse children psychologically with the notion of eternal damnation. While Dawkins can be witty, even confirmed atheists who agree with his advocacy of science and vigorous rationalism may have trouble stomaching some of the rhetoric: the biblical Yahweh is 'psychotic,' Aquinas's proofs of God's existence are 'fatuous' and religion generally is 'nonsense.' The most effective chapters are those in which Dawkins calms down, for instance, drawing on evolution to disprove the ideas behind intelligent design. In other chapters, he attempts to construct a scientific scaffolding for atheism, such as using evolution again to rebut the notion that without God there can be no morality. He insists that religion is a divisive and oppressive force, but he is less convincing in arguing that the world would be better and more peaceful without it." Publishers Weekly (Copyright Reed Business Information, Inc.)
"Dawkins focuses heavily on the monotheistic religions with quotations from the Bible and Koran that sanction genocide, rape and the killing of unbelievers....Bible-thumpers doubtless will declare they've found their Satan incarnate." Kirkus Reviews
"This is a brave and important book." Desmond Morris, author of The Naked Ape and The Human Animal
"A resounding trumpet blast for truth....It feels like coming up for air." Matt Ridley, author of Genome and Francis Crick
"At last, one of the best nonfiction writers alive today has assembled his thoughts on religion into a characteristically elegant book." Steven Pinker, Johnstone Professor, Harvard University, author of The Language Instinct, How the Mind Works, and The Blank Slate
"To those readers tired of being told that they must bow respectfully before every absurd or bizarre superstition they encounter, and who worry about the effects of this atmosphere of hyper-tolerance on the health of our society, Dawkins' irreverent and penetrating work will seem a breath of fresh air." San Francisco Chronicle
Discover magazine recently called Richard Dawkins "Darwin"s Rottweiler" for his fierce and effective defense of evolution. Now Dawkins turns his considerable intellect on religion, denouncing its faulty logic and the suffering it causes.
In his sensational international bestseller, the preeminent scientist and outspoken atheist Richard Dawkins delivers a hard-hitting, impassioned, but humorous rebuttal of religious belief. With rigor and wit, Dawkins eviscerates the arguments for religion and demonstrates the supreme improbability of the existence of a supreme being. He makes a compelling case that faith is not just irrational, but potentially deadly. In a preface written for the paperback edition, Dawkins responds to some of the controversies the book has incited. This brilliantly argued, provocative book challenges all of us to test our beliefs, no matter what beliefs we hold.
A preeminent scientist — and the world's most prominent atheist — asserts the irrationality of belief in God and the grievous harm religion has inflicted on society, from the Crusades to 9/11.
With rigor and wit, Dawkins examines God in all his forms, from the sex-obsessed tyrant of the Old Testament to the more benign (but still illogical) Celestial Watchmaker favored by some Enlightenment thinkers. He eviscerates the major arguments for religion and demonstrates the supreme improbability of a supreme being. He shows how religion fuels war, foments bigotry, and abuses children, buttressing his points with historical and contemporary evidence. The God Delusion makes a compelling case that belief in God is not just wrong but potentially deadly. It also offers exhilarating insight into the advantages of atheism to the individual and society, not the least of which is a clearer, truer appreciation of the universe's wonders than any faith could ever muster.
About the Author
Richard Dawkins taught zoology at the University of California at Berkeley and at Oxford University and is now the Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford, a position he has held since 1995.
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Preface 1
1 A DEEPLY RELIGIOUS NON-BELIEVER 9 Deserved respect 11 Undeserved respect 20
2 THE GOD HYPOTHESIS 29 Polytheism 32 Monotheism 37 Secularism, the Founding Fathers and the religion of America 38 The poverty of agnosticism 46 NOMA 54 The Great Prayer Experiment 61 The Neville Chamberlain school of evolutionists 66 Little green men 69
3 ARGUMENTS FOR GODS EXISTENCE 75 Thomas Aquinas proofs 77 The ontological argument and other a priori arguments 80 The argument from beauty 86 The argument from personal experience 87 The argument from scripture 92 The argument from admired religious scientists 97 Pascals Wager 103 Bayesian arguments 105
4 WHY THERE ALMOST CERTAINLY IS NO GOD 111 The Ultimate Boeing 747 113 Natural selection as a consciousness-raiser 114 Irreducible complexity 119 The worship of gaps 125 The anthropic principle: planetary version 134 The anthropic principle: cosmological version 141 An interlude at Cambridge 151
5 THE ROOTS OF RELIGION 161 The Darwinian imperative 163 Direct advantages of religion 166 Group selection 169 Religion as a by-product of something else 172 Psychologically primed for religion 179 Tread softly, because you tread on my memes 191 Cargo cults 202
6 THE ROOTS OF MORALITY: WHY ARE WE GOOD? 209 Does our moral sense have a Darwinian origin? 214 A case study in the roots of morality 222 If there is no God, why be good? 226
7 THE GOOD BOOK AND THE CHANGING MORAL ZEITGEIST 235 The Old Testament 237 Is the New Testament any better? 250 Love thy neighbour 254 The moral Zeitgeist 262 What about Hitler and Stalin? Werent they atheists? 272
8 WHATS WRONG WITH RELIGION? WHY BE SO HOSTILE? 279 Fundamentalism and the subversion of science 282 The dark side of absolutism 286 Faith and homosexuality 289 Faith and the sanctity of human life 291 The Great Beethoven Fallacy 298 How moderation in faith fosters fanaticism 301
9 CHILDHOOD, ABUSE AND THE ESCAPE FROM RELIGION 309 Physical and mental abuse 315 In defence of children 325 An educational scandal 331 Consciousness-raising again 337 Religious education as a part of literary culture 340
10 A MUCH NEEDED GAP? 345 Binker 347 Consolation 352 Inspiration 360 The mother of all burkas 362
Appendix: A partial list of friendly addresses, for individuals needing support in escaping from religion 375 Books cited or recommended 380 Notes 388 Index 400
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Hayden Outdoors is a real estate company and brokerage with a background in the cattle and ranching business that specializes in farm, ranch and recreational real estate. Hayden Outdoors currently is licensed in real estate in Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Utah, and Nebraska. As a founding partner in Land Leader, we strive to provide the best marketing for our properties, bringing more qualified buyers and huge exposure locally, regionally, nationally and internationally.
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Hayden Outdoors is built on the relationships between our clients and our brokers, as well as an in-depth knowledge of the farm, ranch and recreational real estate market. Our brokers are passionate about the outdoors and are proud to work and play in the outdoor setting we all love so much. Our buyers and sellers know that the fine properties we represent are the kind of properties we would call our very own.
Whether it's claiming that prized elk in Colorado, the smell of fresh cut hay in Kansas, hearing the rise of that rooster pheasant in Nebraska, or relaxing by a pristine mountain stream in Wyoming, this real estate is special! Outdoor recreation is deep in our hearts and minds, and it is what drives all of us at Hayden Outdoors. We are truly blessed to work with the sellers and buyers of the fine ranches, land, and farm properties that we have the opportunity to sell, because it is the people that make those places special. Hayden Outdoors is proud to represent buyers and sellers of the finest land, ranches, and farm properties for sale.
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It's been a journey to remember over the last century for the Hayden family, with western Kansas roots and a desire to master the art of the sale. John Leo Hayden, now reaching his latter years but still sporting his past life's football frame and strong ranch hands, reflects on how his family and business grew from a small town in western Kansas to a multi-million dollar real estate brokerage specializing in farm, ranch and recreational land sales.
"We're doing very well now, but it wasn't always this way!" exclaimed Leo, the name he's used since five other boys in his grade school class also had the first name John. "Let me tell you pardner in a short way how I think it happened. Back in 1920, my Grandfather moved his family, including son Leo, to a sod house 14 miles south of Edson, Kansas. He moved there from Kentucky because he had asthma and needed a climate that was drier and more arid. Well, he definitely got that in Western Kansas!"
"In 1935, Leo Sr. went to work for the farm family of Frank Owens. The Owens had five boys and Leo, who had graduated the 8th grade, fit in as a 'hired man, stock herder, rabbit hunter and horseman'. All of these were critical to a western farm operation." In 1945, Leo and Mary Hayden had a son whom they named John Leo Hayden. "My father was a cattle buyer, horse trader and breeder and what I like to think of him as, 'Marlboro Man of the West'. Dad was my hero and I learned more about the agriculture business and life from him than I have learned since, especially the art of the sale." Leo watched cattle auctions, land sales and agriculture life that deepened his love for farming and ranching and trained him into the adult he became.
In 1968, John Leo closed a 4-year courtship and his most important sale by convincing Miss Judy Marcotte to become his wife. "46 years and counting!" smiled Leo. "Shortly after we were blessed with Dax in '69, Arin in '72 and Seth in '75. My family remains very close as we all share in great memories and good times together to this day."
In 1975, due to a "downturn in the cattle business", Leo moved his family to Hays, Kansas and became a real estate salesman for Marcotte Realty, which was owned by his father-in-law, Henry Marcotte. In 1981, Leo moved his family back to Goodland, Kansas and opened a real estate office at 1401 Main Street, known then as Property Exchange, Inc., and put his experience to work in Western Kansas. Years later in 1997, his youngest son Seth, after graduating from Kansas State University, moved back to Goodland and joined the new firm name Hayden, Inc., as a real estate salesman and appraiser. Business picked up and the need for more help ensued. In 2000, Leo's oldest son Dax returned to Goodland from a banking job he started after graduating from Kansas State and joined the firm as a fellow salesman and appraiser.
In the early 2000's the Hayden crew had many ups and downs but always "made it happen". One day in 2003 Leo and Dax got a call from Michael Lashley inquiring if Hayden Inc. wanted to join a new real estate division of Cabela's called Cabela's Trophy Properties. After some strategic planning, Hayden Inc. became Hayden Outdoors, with rights to the new affiliation in western Kansas and Northeastern Colorado.
"In 2004, all of Colorado's five territories became available and Hayden Outdoors bought them. We began with three brokers and less than $3 million in listings. With thousands and thousands of miles on the trucks driving from ranch to ranch and shaking lots of hands, we grew our brokerage to over 30 agents and a strong support staff," says Leo. You can tell he's had some tough years when the real estate market crashed, but only the strong survive, and Hayden Outdoors is doing better than ever. After announcement that Cabela's was dropping their real estate division, it was time for something new.
In April of 2014, Hayden Outdoors, along with eight other non-competing land brokerages across the country formed Land Leader. This is a new nationwide real estate marketing company dedicated to promoting the best brokerages and properties across the country, with a consistent code of ethics, strong practice of honesty and professionalism, and massive national and international marketing strategy. "Forty years ago I never thought we'd be founders of such a powerful tool for such a huge industry," commented Hayden.
On Oct 1st, 2014, Land Leader had its inaugural National Conference, representing 18 brokerages across 35 states. Leo said emphatically, "With just over 1400 properties and $1.5 billion in active listings of the best farm, ranch and recreational real estate, the members of Land Leader are growing each day... there are over 160 brokers and agents and more are coming on!" With wins for Highest Company Sales and Highest Agent Sales, the team at Hayden Outdoors is doing what their lineage has been training for since last century…successful sales.
Today, Hayden Outdoors covers Kansas, Colorado, Eastern Nebraska, Wyoming, New Mexico and parts of Utah; John "Leo" Hayden, Dax Hayden and Seth Hayden are the owners/brokers of the company and are supported in sales and strategy by a great team of agents and staff. Dax is the acting manager of the company, as well as the Land Leader National Director, and continues to represent ranches and farms in multiple states. John Leo and Seth list and sell property as part of the Hayden Outdoors real estate team, and between the three of them, represent some of the best farms, ranches, auctions and hunting and fishing properties available in the Rocky Mountains and Great Plains.
"We have about $350 million worth of listings covering this large area of the West. We have a top-notch crew of ten employees and we work well together. Success is hard to come by, but we try to keep it going. We constantly improve our website and presentations to do a better job for our clients," Hayden says, knowing that with new technologies comes new strategies and more to learn.
But, even with all the new gadgets and cell phones, the new websites, new methods of marketing and great advances in the real estate industry, it still comes down to the art of the sale. With years of ups and downs, turns and straightaways, Leo reflects on the trip he's enjoyed, one that he's benefited from over the years, and one he'll never forget. With a slight grin and some sense of accomplishment, Leo laughs, "It has been quite a ride, Dad!"
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Hayden Outdoors provides equal employment opportunities (EEO) to all employees and applicants for employment without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, national origin, age, disability, genetic information, marital status, amnesty, or status as a covered veteran in accordance with applicable federal, state and local laws. Hayden Outdoors complies with applicable state and local laws governing non-discrimination in employment in every location in which the company has facilities. This policy applies to all terms and conditions of employment, including, but not limited to, hiring, placement, promotion, termination, layoff, recall, transfer, leaves of absence, compensation, and training.
Hayden Outdoors expressly prohibits any form of unlawful employee harassment based on race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, national origin, age, genetic information, disability, or veteran status. Improper interference with the ability of Hayden Outdoors' employees to perform their expected job duties is absolutely not tolerated.
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Multiple indoor gardens designed by Craig Bergmann Landscape Design will accentuate the Show this year. Spring colors of green and chartreuse will open eyes and inspire after a long winter!
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"One eventually tires of the dumb game of 'left-wing' vs 'right-wing' tribal politics. To get a clearer perspective, it is necessary to think outside the box. The liberal left narrative is fairy-tale belief system which postulates that the wealthiest are solely responsible for the plight of the poor. This notion is used to justify phoney job creation and rises in social welfare. Unfortunately, this leads to staggering public debt, inflation and regressive taxes which disproportionally burden the working poor. If liberal leftists really cared about social justice, there are more radical and less-patronising methods of channelling down wealth from the idle rich to the industrious poor.
If private firms were left to sink or swim in fully liberated markets it would be much easer for ordinary people to compete with the big boys. Instead of opposing cuts, campaigning to remove privileges like limited liability would force company owners and shareholders to behave in a much more responsible manner. Corruption could be minimised if businesses were also made to internalise their transaction costs instead of relying on public funding (corporate welfare) for things like training and infrastructure.
It is never too late to reject the destructive notions of state dependency and focus instead on the uplifting virtues of personal liberty, self-reliance and innovation. It might be the only way out of this mess."
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The irony of such a comment coming from you of all people will not be lost on regular visitors to this site................
Ps, when criticising "tribal politics" it is always a good idea to critique more than one political viewpoint........ ;-)
I feel like i've just been subjected to a party politcal broadcast :)
@ sansue "Ps, when criticising "tribal politics" it is always a good idea to critique more than one political viewpoint........ ;-)" You seem to be thinking in binary. Tories have their client groups too, and generally don't want ordinary people to compete in liberated markets. What I have presented is really no different to the ideology of Lib Dem 'Orange Book' advocates: "There are two main strands of distinct ideology within the party, social liberals and the economic liberals, more commonly known as Orange Bookers. The social liberals are seen as being the more traditionally centre-left end of the party with Orange Bookers being more towards the centre. The principal difference between the two is that the Orange Bookers tend to support greater choice and competition and as such aiming to increase social mobility through increasing economic freedom and opportunity for those with more disadvantaged backgrounds. Whereas the social liberals are more commonly associated with directly aiming to increase equality of outcome through state means. Correspondingly, Orange Bookers tend to favour cutting taxes for the poorest in order to increase opportunity contrasting with social liberals who would rather see higher spending on the disadvantaged to reduce income inequality." wiki
"You seem to be thinking in binary. Tories have their client groups too, and generally don't want ordinary people to compete in liberated markets" No, I'm thinking in the context that you yourself set in your original post. The response I've copied from you above is moving the goalposts from your original post, but (as you would not deny) you do that all the time to "win" debates, so it should come as no surprise to me or anyone else I guess. You weren't talking about client groups, you were talking about those who align themselves with a specific political ideology. I think you may have an inaccurate impression of how people view you and the political ideology they obviously clearly associate you with; see other comments on this page as an illustration of this!
We don't always speak our views as a 'political view' but a 'personal' one. Sometimes I have no idea if what im saying would be 'left', 'right' or any other position :/ One of the biggest problems with our economy is that people seem to want to view it as 'political' in fact its non-political, it involves everyone whether they support a political party or not. How about this solution :) http://tinyurl.com/8e4qcx5
Indeed, though some of course do. You sound like a libertarian (which isn't an insult!).
@ snasue "...how people view you and the political ideology they obviously clearly associate you with;" Ignorant people have always had a tendency to put everyone into auto-good and auto-bad groups. That's their problem, not mine. If we are talking ideology: The state forcibly takes money from you and decides how it is redistributed. In a free market situation, it is up to the individual to decide how to spend their own money. One uses coercion, the other uses voluntarism. Which one is morally superior? Once you deny coercion, you get to be creative, instead of state dependant. If you gain employment, wealth, benefits and status from coercion, then of course you are going to fight tooth and nail to preserve that system. You are even going to fund propaganda that persuades others who don't benefit from coercion to support you. But at what point does self-interest become fanaticism and irrational persecution? These are challenging views and I'm not attempting to win anyone over. But I will always stand up to those who would take away my liberty. It's called having principles, and I find it far more interesting than collecting matchboxes.
Nick Very powerful and insightful comments from you again I disagree that limited liability should be abolished. In a free market those that lend or provide goods and services to a company know the risks. If the result of your business failing was you to lose everything then I belive that this would limit economic growth and the creation of the wealth that pays for the public services that we actually do need. The sad fact is that the owners of the SME's that we need to drive growth already have to put everything on the line to secure the capital. Of course this problem has been compounded by the actions of the banks who effectively were operating on a risk model that transferred all the losses ultimately to the general public. They were operating on a free market model but at zero risk. The solution highlighted by mam35 would have been better than the route we have followed. As it stands the previous leading tribe has borrowed to create our current dependency and we are stealing the wealth of those that have little time to secure their own future (pensioners and the near retired) and saddling our children with further debt. Following the Icelandic model would have been much more radical providing that is was accompanied by other measures like a significant reduction in the public sector and leaving the EU
Hey Nick, I don't have the energy to argue with you, I'll leave you with John Stuart Mill. You might need to google him: Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. John Stuart Mill
Such (misplaced) arrogance! Nick, you aren't "challenging" anyone with your views; they are run of the mill stuff. What is challenging is your constant moving of goalposts. Please don't ever think of the views you express as innovative or enlightened. And I take it you aren't referring to me with your comment about good/bad and ignorant people? Nowhere on this thread have I claimed your ideology is bad or, for that matter, good. What I was alluding to is that people clearly see you as right-wing.
These are challenging views and I'm not attempting to win anyone over. But I will always stand up to those who would take away my liberty. It's called having principles, and I find it far more interesting than collecting matchboxes." Good for you. Whatever axe you have to grind, you make some interesting points. It's refreshing to find someone attempting to start this sort of political/philosophical debate. Personally, I don't mind reading views I disagreee with as long as they're presented intelligently and supported by credible evidence. It does make rather heavier demands on contributors than the more usual exchange of opinions/insults, though, so good luck.
"..In a free market situation, it is up to the individual to decide how to spend their own money." It would never work. You only have to look at where some put their money if given the chance to. Things like offshore banking, corporation tax loopholes. How much would some give to the good of the economy and running of society by choice? Only those 'services' good for use for themselves I would think. a good healthy (and wealthy) society does not operate like that, I very rarely use the NHS, and some other local services..does not mean I do not see the need for others to have the opportunity, unfortunately I don't think thats a general feeling, it seems to me there are many selfish people out there.
"Nick Very powerful and insightful comments from you again by democrat" Oh dear. Talk about the kiss of death ;-)
From Nick's profile on this site: "Why I don't like Leicestershire: Trendy metropolitan left-wing middle-class prats" Sound pretty tribal to me! Nick, be proud of what you are, don't hide your politics or your ideology. New_Walk_View, you might want to retract your comment of "It does make rather heavier demands on contributors than the more usual exchange of opinions/insults, though, so good luck", unless Nick means "Trendy metropolitan left-wing middle-class prats" as a compliment ;-)
@sansue "Trendy metropolitan left-wing middle-class prats" So if I changed it to: "curtain twitching, suburban, narrow-minded, conceited, Tory snobs", would you be cool with it?
I refer to my profile (no such words) and my earlier comment: "And I take it you aren't referring to me with your comment about good/bad and ignorant people? Nowhere on this thread have I claimed your ideology is bad or, for that matter, good. What I was alluding to is that people clearly see you as right-wing." I thank you.
@mam35 And they are putting their money into offshore accounts to escape state coercion! No one is expecting a stateless society to occur tomorrow. It might never happen. But with the failure of social democracy and pending bankruptcy, less state dependency is something worth aspiring to, and maybe even a necessity in time. A change of attitude would require things like better parenting skills and education, but not brainwashing. Look at all the people who do public service roles & environmental work for nothing and give generously to charity. And if people are so lousy then why are we electing these same people into positions of power?
Public services – a must watch – hilarious: http://tinyurl.com/alzvggr
That is very funny, but have you posted it on the wrong thread by mistake?
New_Walk_View, you might want to retract your comment of "It does make rather heavier demands on contributors than the more usual exchange of opinions/insults, though, so good luck", unless Nick means "Trendy metropolitan left-wing middle-class prats" as a compliment ;-)" @sansue I didn't do a background check. To be honest it's the ideas and the debate that really interest me :-)
New_Walk, fair enough, just thought you would like to know he is an instigator of "opinions/insults"!!
Nick.."And they are putting their money into offshore accounts to escape state coercion! ".. Of course they are lol, so if no state control they would happily donate the 'avoided tax amount' to a charity to help the poor, and all will be good and dandy?...pre-welfare state tells us differently, the churches did their best but still there was great deprivation, and a big gap between the rich and the poor..child poverty was high, infantile death and communicable deseases were high, half of the population were without medical care because they couldnt afford the high doctors prices.. .."Look at all the people who do public service roles & environmental work for nothing and give generously to charity." How many? Again refer to history on that subject, it couldn't even be considered until the current attitude and social divide between rich and poor is tackled. and 'giving generously to charity' by some....you can donate some of your taxes anyway instead of putting it offshore and keeping it for yourself. We can again go back in history pre-welfare state and see how well that worked
Don't get me wrong though nick..I do understand your point of the 'wealthiest not being responsible for the poor', but there is extravagance and huge divide. There are some of us that have lived on both sides of the coin, me i've been in both positions several times during my life :)..I can tell you which is best. Now, when i had more then I needed to live on, I paid my taxes as due, I didnt complain, I already had more then I needed. I also chose the option to pay 10% of my taxes to a chosen charity. There were many I worked with who totally abused the system, more then any benefit claimant does. I don't believe in the 'expenses' system, there is no reason why someone on 65k+ should be claiming these for lunches, car expenses, housing expenses, things that the ordinary average worker pays from their pocket..There is no need once you have enough to live on not to want to help those that are less fortunate, and the reason for them being less fortunate should not be important! Its about looking after society for the good of everyone. Imagine if every soldier during war times decided they just wanted to look after themselves and no-one else or our country :/
Powerful debating here if only I had the time to join in...
"Powerful debating here if only I had the time to join in..." David, there are a number of approaches to dealing with your poor time management. Obviously in order to become more succesful you need to deal with your failure in this area as CEOs need to deal with these issues effectively if they are to climb the ladder. There is a basic tool you can use to prioritise; urgency x importance = priority. I hope you can use this and look forward to seeing you have more time to participate. Cheers matey.
From Wikipedia: "Big government (sometimes capitalized as Big Government) is a term generally used by political conservatives, laissez-faire advocates, or libertarians to describe a government or public sector that they consider to be excessively large, corrupt and inefficient, or inappropriately involved in certain areas of public policy or the private sector. The term may also be used specifically in relation to government policies that attempt to regulate matters considered to be private or personal, such as private sexual behavior or individual food choices. The term can be applied to numerous bureaucratic criticisms: Government programs, where it is argued that policy goals could be accomplished with smaller, more nimble organizations Attempts to federalize programs traditionally implemented at the state level Implementing programs that seek to accomplish functions normally associated with the private sector or private organizations (such as non-profit groups or religious organizations) Expensive programs that are likely to increase costs in the long term, that are subject to cost overruns and/or poor cost analyses, and that are resistant to reform efforts, both internally and externally Large bureaucracies lacking in accountability Limited or no checks and balances on power within an organization Inadequate or inconsistent metrics to verify efficacy Limited genuine benefits actually conferred to citizens Cost ineffective (i.e. benefits are outweighed by high costs) programs funded primarily by bond packages Commentators who use the term are often concerned about government delivery of public goods, and government involvement in the formulation and implementation of laws and policies concerning civil rights, social justice, and social welfare. Other commentators combine criticism of big government with criticism of "big business", "big labor", "big oil", "big tobacco" and "big pharma"."
Nick, just out of interest, how do you see a 'free market' situation being? Not in the terms of 'money' and 'business' but in terms of how society will be?
I see your Taxpayers Allaince cribsheet and raise you one Elizabeth Warren... "There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along..." Sounds much better than your "maybe some rich dude will give me the crumbs from his table if I do everything he says" approach...but then I'm "left liberal". I would humbly suggest that the libertarian viewpoint you express is the real fairy tale.
Some very good points there Red_Ned..now im not sure what 'political' side I fall on..I do believe im probably a mixture, you tend to be if you have a colourful past lol. I see great benefits in the public sector..without their services our society falls flat on its face..as much as Nick may disagree, the service is invaluable. We only have to look at others countries lawless cities where police fear to tread, and many other public 'services' so they have become 'free'. certain cities in Pakistan, Mexico, and some others, bodies in the streets...terrible poverty, gangs, drug barons..fear and just general mayhem :/
And a good point about 'mobilisation' Even in good times, I would never forget what had 'mobilised' me. I had a terrible start to life before being put in care, and my own determination to provide better for my children got me to where I was when well off (again goes against the rhetoric of those disadvantaged, raise children who are disadvantaged, im sure people like Alan Sugar would also agree). Without state intervention I would have been absolutely nowhere. id been put in care to wonderful foster parents aged 10 (who i consider my parents)I went to state school, went to university, and id been lucky enough to find a good job after my foster parents hotel business was sold..Some of us see what is behind 'money' some do not. Very very pleased to see David Beckham donating his upcoming French wages to the disadvantaged of that Country :)
"I see your Taxpayers Allaince cribsheet and raise you one Elizabeth Warren...." Oh my, that is brilliant, that literlly made me cry with laughter. Excellent.
I'm quite happy to discuss any of this but it's clear that Nick has an axe to grind from his use of words. QUOTE the Liberal left narrative is fairy-tale belief system which postulates that the wealthiest are solely responsible for the plight of the poor...END OF QUOTE No, it isn't. It believes everyone should contribute to the well being of everyone else because that works out better from more people. No-one serious has ever suggested that only the wealthiest are solely responsible for the poor. Please show me in a "liberal Left" manifesto anywhere it says that. QUOTE If private firms were left to sink or swim in fully liberated markets it would be much easer for ordinary people to compete with the big boys. END OF QUOTE Seriously? You think LESS regulation would mean that an independent coffee grower, coffee machine manufacturer, coffee cup make, coffee shop owner would find it easier to compete with Starbucks? Don't be ridiculous. QUOTE Corruption could be minimised if businesses were also made to internalise their transaction costs instead of relying on public funding (corporate welfare) for things like training and infrastructure. END OF QUOTE What the what the??? I don't know where to begin unpacking this statement? Do you mean they are forced to use the roads? What corruption are you talking about? When you say "public funding (corporate welfare) do you mean education? Please explain fully. The last paragraph is, of course, one of the most loaded ones I have ever read! QUOTE the uplifting virtues of personal liberty, self-reliance and innovation...END OF QUOTE You know who are are good at all those things? Drug dealers. Perfect examples for libertarians everywhere. They don't pay taxes (despite the government maintaining the roads they hang around in), they are self-reliant (you can't trust anyone in the drug business) and innovation (cannabis has never been stronger - thanks to the innovative gardening skills of the worlds drug manufacturers). All very uplifting I'm sure.
Red_Ned. are you of a total political persuasion? If so, id like to know what party that is? as I think we think along the same lines, I saw you mention 'left liberalism', is there a party that follows this? Id say Clegg is more 'orange booker' and not of left liberal? (Sorry not much of a political follower, so not very 'wise' on it)
By the way, when we talk about 'rhetoric'..so much is wrong :) I was not from 'poor parents'. I was from 'well off' parents, both worked in very good jobs, but they didn't care about their children, or pass on any of their money, home from work meant in the pub, or 'time to themselves' I cooked and cleaned for myself and my sisters (and stole money from their purse to buy food), took myself to school from the age of 5, disciplined myself to do 'homework' as they were not bothered or too 'tired' we were merely brought out to show as 'the token children' at the odd dinner party...i was disadvantaged, in the way of people thinking everything was 'ok' simply because my parents were well off, if they had been the rhetoric 'poor' family, im sure my plight would have been discovered a lot sooner, and the old rhetoric of 'its because the parents are poor and neglectful' would of been well recieved :) And believe me, it was not a story unfamiliar from others who had been in care.....
I feel that the three parities come together like they did during war time and put their heads around the table and discuss how to help improve the UK's growth. There is far too much fighting for points and this wasted energy. Instead, get the leaders around The House of Parliament and debate and discuss what is needed to be done. I am fed-up of hearing a statement by the PM, then to hear The Labour leader 'rubbish off' the idea/speak for political gain...As I said wasted energy...
Kind of true City..Chances are for each area of the UK, a different economcal policy is required..I do believe that in the most part for the Midlands and the North the move away from 'local' economy has been a big mistake. Thats just my personal opinion and im sure many would disagree, where they think big international business makes for more money and progress..I think its been a blight on our local economies.
@ red_ed. The only things oppressing me are regressive taxes and power-hungry ideologues. In the pre election debate, Nick Clegg stated that the lowest earners paid the highest percentage of tax. Different income groups had been profiled on what they typically spent on rent, food, alcohol etc. People forget that it's not just income tax low earners pay; it is also national insurance, VAT, council tax, road tax, extra taxes on things like alcohol, petrol and tobacco, and a myriad of 'stealth' taxes. It turned out that someone with an annual income of £12000 would typically pay a whopping £7000 in tax. A 58.3% tax rate and larger percentage than a middle income household. Even if a low-earner managed to qualify for a few tax credits, it is little consolation. Your ideology permits a significant minority to be ground down to near serfdom for the good of a shrinking majority. And in-work poverty is rising. Nice video discussing the conflicting ideologies of the 'The Tea Party vs. Occupy Wall Street movement'. It is just as relevant to Europeans as it is to Americans: http://tinyurl.com/al7waha
"The only things oppressing me are regressive taxes and power-hungry ideologues. In the pre election debate, Nick Clegg stated that the lowest earners paid the highest percentage of tax" Only because the richer have the best accountants who know the loopholes..don't you get it?? Its not about who pays more and how and when, it who should be paying what, we all have tax liabilities depending on your income, its about keeping society as it should be within our means, what we need and what we don't. It should not depend on loopholes and knowing where to put your money :/
QUOTE The only things oppressing me are regressive taxes and power-hungry ideologues END OF QUOTE Urgh, it's this kind of meaningless sloganeering that puts people off politics! QUOTE People forget that it's not just income tax low earners pay; it is also national insurance, VAT, council tax, road tax, extra taxes on things like alcohol, petrol and tobacco, and a myriad of 'stealth' taxes. It turned out that someone with an annual income of £12000 would typically pay a whopping £7000 in tax. END OF QUOTE Who forgets that? Not me. Not you. Not the poor. But how is this free market utopia going to help? What are the "myriad" of stealth taxes (and incidentally there's no such thing as 'road tax')? And where does this statistic of £12000 income / £7000 tax come from? Please give me a reference. I watched the video you posted but lost interest when it proposed a flat tax. You just complained about REGRESSIVE taxes! A flat tax IS a regressive tax!
@ mam "Only because the richer have the best accountants who know the loopholes..don't you get it??" Actually, those in the know do get it. It's about holding the poor to ransom in the hope that they will turn against the financial institutions. It's just political manoeuvring. The State cares little about the downtrodden. It's all about power and control. But I refuse to be a pawn for some lefty-liberal ideologue :-) This is a good video to watch: http://tinyurl.com/bk3p42a
@ Red_Ned "REGRESSIVE taxes! A flat tax IS a regressive tax!" Lefties, as a rule, only read other lefties. A 20% flat tax is a lot less regressive than 58%. If you are just going to behave trollish and continue reading passages from the Communist Manifesto then you don't deserve any attention. "Ideology is a false god, a secular religion that seeks vainly to create a paradise on Earth." :-)
..The State cares little about the downtrodden. It's all about power and control. But I refuse to be a pawn for some lefty-liberal ideologue :-) totally unfounded..I can only guess you havent seen or been in the posiition..If it wasnt for the state, to be honest I don't know where I would be, im sure many would agree. Many in the olden days, even from affluent famillies would not be where they are today without state intervention..and that is a fact my friend..we do not want a return to dickensian, victorian Britain...
nick is forgetting that some of us have lived on the other side, you pay what is considered fair, to be honest I didnt notice too much, I knew I was paying alot in tax, but it didnt impact or make a difference..no-one in my family suffered, I had more then enough...as (thankfully) the few decent human beings like David Beckham realise....
@ mam "If it wasnt for the state, to be honest I don't know where I would be, im sure many would agree. Many in the olden days, even from affluent famillies would not be where they are today without state intervention..and that is a fact my friend..we do not want a return to dickensian, victorian Britain" But at what price? That's the thing about dependency – once you've got it, it's very hard to imagine a world without it. If what you want is sustainable for the next 20 years or so, then libertarians, anarcho capitalists, anti-state lefties and classical liberals can all hold their heads in shame. I for one, will be the first to admit the error of my ways. But a rising pubic debt is very risky: "…countries that defaulted on their debts risk economic sanctions, the imposition of foreign control over their finances and even, in at least five cases, military intervention." As for the Victorians etc., life was hard at the beginning of the industrial revolution but still better than the standard of living overseas at the time.
Sorry but victorian poverty when correctly repoted was terrible, and for infants often fatal, hence why my great grandad had 16 children to account for the many that would die ( As far as i know only 5 survived past 5 years old) ..how much debt are we in and to whom do we owe?..that needs looking in to..after all we are still in a position to in the recent past to donate 10bn to Pakistan (whilst insisting we needed to claw back an extra 10bn from welfare) , among other 'foreign aid?? We still have a 'triple A rating (for whatever that means to some or another hierarchy banking system)
One tires of reading rubbish like this when one is here just to keep up with local news. What a sad decline this website has seen.
This is the foum part strojo, a general discussion part..try clicking on 'news' ...sometimes forum articles come up on the news part if they have lots of 'recommendations' for some reason.as for 'rubbish', it depends on what you consider to be in public interest really...
I am sure you will explain it well :)
QUOTE A 20% flat tax is a lot less regressive than 58%. If you are just going to behave trollish and continue reading passages from the Communist Manifesto then you don't deserve any attention. END OF QUOTE You resort to calling me a communist, don't come back on any of my points (including where you got this 58% figure from - I have yet to see the evidence) and then call me a TROLL! You really do have a very open mind...
Yes.. lets hear the points raised answered Nick? Id also like to add to Red_Neds points, that the (so called) 58% tax comes into effect once earnings are over 150k per year.. however the percentage itself is wrongly c alculated, its more near 45%, and to be honest after 150k I couldnt give a flying gnome how much tax I paid..never mind the fact that the people complaining about that tax already know the numerous loopholes so that they not only pay less but can pay very little...less percentage then their lowest paid workers, in fact as little as 1% :/
Wow...what a strange intepretation of 'authoritarianism'...I know you were not talking to me Nick, but my opinions do seem to be quite similar to Red_Neds...It is not about authoritarianism, and what that represents..but what is fair and just..There is no reason why someone who earns more then they need to live on should not contribute to the society which provided them with such riches (obviously David Beckham is a recent addition to those that agree)..We are fortunate, and as much as people say 'you worked you earned it'..believe me, many only earn the intial outlay..the rest takes little manual or hard work :/. It always amazes me the amount of people that refer to those out of work as 'lazy scroungers'..when I met so many 'lazy scroungers' in work, during my old position :/
@mam It has been alleged our current system is a form of soft-facism (see that previous video link). It could go either way but it could also slip into totalitarianism. I agree with you in that people can be just as lazy in work as out of work, but there are declining opportunities for lazy workers these days... And one does feel that people who get a lot out of the system should put something back in, but some people have paid into the system their whole lives and only got a lousy state pension to show for it. That's why I think the current tax system is grossly unfair.
Well actually we do agree there ...Im not a supporter of current government, in fact i've been little supporter of any government for many years. It's very difficult to know what would work, and who is to say what would work in one area of the UK would work in another? Would it make more sense to have local directed governments? No total government? ...who knows, I don't claim to know a huge amount about politics, but certainly. something needs to change.
Nother new here Left vs Right has been around for quite a few years...?
however Nick, a 'free market' in the full sense, is not the answer (there is a difference between a 'free market' society and the kind of 'free market' economy..as we already practically operate a free market economy I can only presume you mean the full situation?)..in an ideal world it would be, but we do not live in an ideal world. There are too many selfish people, we would have a huge amount seen as 'undeserving poor' as we do already..I don't like the idea of starving and dying people in our streets, just because people don't like the reasons why they are in the position they are :/
I have so far resisted contributing in this debate, because it isn't a debate, it's a dig at a political alliance, not even carefully disguised behind a thin veneer of dismissal at the argument itself. More than likely withthe intention that people will be coerced into disclosing their own political preference in order to dispute your opinions. You are obviously studying and trying to validate your own views either by gaining approval or in vehermently dismissing differing opinions. Good to see that the regulars are bored and not rising to it.
not you Mam35 - if you can find this response - as the new website doesn't have a forums link on the banner any more
@mam We have a market controlled and regulated by bureaucrats. As stated before, there is a great deal of social mythology surrounding these issues. Big business is only big, because of state granted privileges (corporate welfare). Roger Helmer MEP: "David Cameron lambastes Starbucks, and Google and Amazon, over their corporate tax record in the UK, where they have paid little or no corporate tax. This has been played up into what amounts to a hate campaign in the media. But the companies argue, quite correctly, that they have precisely obeyed the rules as they stand: they have acted within the law and with complete propriety. And Cameron seems to forget that Starbucks actually pays rather a lot, when you add in VAT, employees' National Insurance, and local taxes.....If Cameron and Osborne think that these companies should pay more tax, then they should change the tax code. It's for legislators to make the rules, and for companies to obey them." So it's a case of evil companies obeying the laws, how dare they! :-) It would be more logical for the Occupy Movement to hang around parliament instead. Rebels without a clue. I've never been to Starbucks, but I'm still forced to pay tax for services that benefit others far more than me. :-(
@Chappy, They've renamed it 'Community'
Why "Taxing The Rich" Isn't The Answer (from Libertarian View) The answer to the UK's financial problems, according to the left, is simple, just tax the rich (until the pips squeak). If they paid their "Fair Share" then we would be able to afford the high levels of public spending that we "enjoy". This is of course nonsense, if you take a few moments to examine the figures. The UK central government will spend £520 Billion in 2012. The deficit, the amount we overspend each year, is forecast at £126 Billion in 2012. What About a Higher Income Tax on "The Rich". The first question of course is, who are "The Rich"? The socialists view is usually, "Anyone earning 5 times more than me", but in absolute terms who do you include: The Top 10% of UK income earners? This would include anyone earning more than £50,500 (Business department managers, Deputy Head Teachers, NHS Dentists, Computer Programmers, NHS Managers) The Top 5% of UK income earners? This would include anyone earning more than £68,500 (Small Company Directors, Senior Managers, MPs, Provincial solicitors, provincial accountants, IT specialists, Pharmacists, Senior NHS Managers, GPs) The Top 1% of UK income earners? This would include anyone earning more than £156,000 (Larger Company Directors and Senior Managers, London Solicitors, Accountancy Partners, Top Doctors (GPs), Civil Servants (Pay Scale 4), top salespeople, senior bankers, the most successful people in most fields) The Total income of those earning in the top 1% is £121 Billion a year. If you raised the tax rate on the top 1% of income earners to 75% you would raise enough to fund government spending for just 25 days! We would still have an annual deficit of £89.7 Billion. If you taxed the "Super Rich" at 100% of their earnings it would only generate enough tax to fund government spending for 27 days. We would still have an annual deficit of £87.5 Billion. If you steal everything owned by the "Super Rich" it would be enough to fund Government spending for…. 291 days. You have to either significantly increase the tax burden on the middle classes or deal with the real problem and cut government spending to fit our national wealth. Full aricle: http://tinyurl.com/c7sw9ys
Nick..."that they have precisely obeyed the rules as they stand: they have acted within the law and with complete propriety" Well not illegal but perhaps 'immoral' Which is exactly why I say corporation tax needs reformulating, it has not moved with the times, especially in the case of sales to costumers on international/multinational internet sites. Also regulating outsourcing to foreign shores of departments where the company is based in the UK and taking money from the UK consumer..It is economic suicide to continue the way we are going in my opinion....your other post is tax jargon, we could all find loopholes, downfalls etc etc to support our cause/views, we could go on like that for an eternity...lets stick to finding solutions to the tax messes :/
We have a market driven by who? So if we all stayed at home and never bought anything other than utilities, then everything would sort itself out would it? Apart from no one would need to be employed in the retail sector. No one would need to provide guarantees for anything that is currently bought in the retail sector - so we could dispense with those services. No one would need to insure their retail goods of value - so we can dispense with that sector. No one would need help using anything so we could dispense with that part of the retail support sector. No one would need to update their items. No one would really need to travel because there wouldn't be many jobs left worth travelling for. In fact we'd all become subsistence livers. Farming our plot, replanting and eating our own produce and only trading with our neighbours for mutually beneficial reasons. Or could it be that the Market is really driven by a consumerist society, where products are developed by companies desperate to increase their market share and steal a march on their rivals, and to afford these products we increasingly require an infrastructure and support network to pay for them, insure them against damage or theft by those who are too lazy to earn enough to afford their own, and to upgrade them to the next big thing. WE drive the economy - as consumers - without demand, businesses go to the wall. The Government spent nigh on 20 years propping up a failing British Leyland, who were making inferior products that people weren't satisfied with, or simply didn't want to buy, whilst their competitors did their research. Whilst it's honourable that the government kept this private sector workforce in a job with handouts for years, they actually did no favours for the economy. Leyland could and should have either modernised and improved or folded earlier. Consumers drive Markets, we aren't told what to buy, demand creates what we want, and we either buy it or we don't. We can't buy what hasn't been invented yet, but when something becomes obsolete no one wants it, and if a better quality option is available at the right price - we'll buy that instead.. Beaurocracy has nothing to do with it, otherwise why do those on low incomes insist on by counterfeit goods on the black market.. it's all about consumers.
I do agree that taxing the rich is not an option, 20 percent of 1 million is 200,000 (the other 800k becomes an asset) so to propose taxing something you own when you've already paid tax on it is not fair, just because you have more. 20 percent of 1000 is 200 20 percent of 10,000 is 2,000 so it already works that the more you earn the more you put in. What we need to do is clamp down on companies who announce record profits then put their prices up. If their profit exceeds their operating cost by more than inflation then there is no requirement to put up prices. Especially in the utility business. Claiming that they are increasing prices to sustain investment in infrastructure to provide a better service for the future is not adequate. If you build a cinema in a town, you don't charge everyone in the same region more money to use their local cinema's by stating that the long term benefit will be a new cinema somewhere else. You speculate, build the new cinema and if it is a viable business it will start repaying what it owes you soon enough. Water firms putting up prices to lay pipes in a different part of our region may benefit someone somewhere, but it won't benefit me today. When that company has assets exceeding the total cost of the project, and pays large dividends to share holders, and still makes profits above inflation - they cannot justify making current subscribers pay now to minimise their risk.
Chappy - your might be an expert on Nuclear Subs (and I thank you for your service in defending us all) but economics and brevity are alien concepts to you it seems.
it has nothing to do with expertise - democrat, Your thanks is not necessary. You have no concept of debate - nor do you have sufficient evidence to validate your opinion on my knowledge of economics. My argument was to dispute the suggestion of some big "Club" running things.. Speculating to accumulate is also nothing new - just because a water company has a monopoly, why should they fund their investment from the customer before the investment delivers? It was a question, and instead of answering it, or offering a reasoned debate - you chose to be brief.. are you afraid to elaborate?
There is no need for insults democrat...it seems something that is very regular here, it does get a bit tidious. There are many 'government aided/funded/backed' private companies which annoys me a little at the kind of ulterior motives there sometimes, and the utilities companies are very similar so I do understand what Chappy is referring to. As we all know we rely on their services..they also know this, it doesnt sit well with the general public when prices are increased for a reason other then the actual buying price. Chappy, just to clarify...when I talk of 'high earners' I am mainly referring to those who would be paying business/corporation tax...not those on the general paye, income tax. Lets not forget that corporation tax is on profit, this is after buying/selling price. I think its fair if you are making and taking money from an economy that a fair amount is paid back into it...after all if it wasnt for that set of consumers, the profit wouldnt of happened at all...we all have to do our part to keep the Country afloat, it just seems in recent times, that particular section is falling by the wayside :/
What I don't understand is we subscribe to European Union ethics, Yet when a UK business sets up in France or Belgium (Stobart is one example I can think of). Local Byelaws are activated by them which contradict European employment law, and they have to employ a minimum number of Local residents of indigenous nationality. Whilst France and Belgium as countries can't counter European law - which states all Europeans can rightfully work in all of Europe (or similar), they can scale it down to a local level. Whilst in Britain we can't, so when Euro firms set up here, they can bring their staff with them and use their own builders and architects and suppliers. Even the American firms in the UK (apart from the odd few), try to source locally as do the Japanese firms. I know what you mean regarding corporation tax though Mam35 - but everything should be pro-rata - regardless of scale. That is the only truly fair system.
@phreakdown Yes, John Stuart Mill, one of the leading defenders of freedom at the high point of classical liberalism during the Victorian age. But his 'utilitarianism' is arguably nearer to Fabian socialism than greater freedom (individualism, natural rights etc.). It all depends on which brand of liberalism you root for.
One thing I will give John Stuart Mill credit for - is that he didn't just read about Political and Social Reforms, or write thesis based on a back seat view. He actually got his hands dirty as an MP.. It seems we have too many individuals and organisations who pontificate based on social models which have never been put into practice - why not have the courage to get out there and see how popular their views are - they may instil confidence around the billiard table, but getting out there and actually proving it is a different kettle of fish. Libraries are full of books on Philosophical arguments and studies which served only to employ the author. You could spend your life studying and still never reach the correct solution to societies problems.
@Chappy Good points. But it is still possible, thankfully, to live by your own principles without trying to impose them on a nation.
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PAWTUCKET - Kenneth J. Lawrence, 51, of Pawtucket, RI and West Yarmouth, MA passed away unexpectedly on Saturday, August 4, 2012. He was the beloved husband of Karen A. (Kut) Lawrence, they would have celebrated their 29th wedding anniversary in September.
Born in Providence, he was the son of Donald R. and Patricia A. (Perry) Lawrence of Pawtucket.
Ken was an ERP Project Manager for the James Monroe Wire & Cable Company, South Lancaster, MA for the past six years and was previously employed by Axis Computer Systems, Marlborough, MA. He was an avid bowler and golfer, and enjoyed tinkering with computers. Ken was the Vice-president of the Monday Night Live Bowling League, East Providence and the Vice-president of their West Yarmouth Condo Association.
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Too Wet?
Can a woman get too wet that the sex is bad? My guy said I was so wet he couldn't even feel me! I tried to shift positions etc. Does this mean I am too loose? Is it better for a man when this isn't the case? I want it to feel good for him.
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As everyone said here and, most of them are men wet is fine. They all like wet and, that is normal. If you were not wet then that would mean something was wrong. That is normal you are wet. What does he expect, that you are not going to get wet.
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Yeah - I've always had that problem. Now I'm 50 years old and still get too wet. I think it's better than too dry so I don't even worry. I'm pleased that my excitement is so palpable to my lover.
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It's a polite way of saying you're too loose. Do your Kegels.
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Any man I've ever known has loved wet pussy.
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i thought men wanted women to be wet....the wetter the better is hwat i have always been told
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Too wet?! No way. The drier you are the more it would have hurt, you. I don't know what this guy was angling for but there is nothing better than a really wet pussy. Which you seam to have had. It means that you are turned on too. Most guys I know like a really wet pussy too. this guys seems to be a clod.
- Response by cosmicdog0, A Guy Critical, Male, 56-65, Denver, Science / Engineering
What?! That is so stupid! Your to wet and HE can't feel you? Your probably a really nice woman but he's the one with the problem. I moist woman is every mans dream. Okay, most hetersexual men. And I never been with a woman who was 'loose'. Another obvious sign he's the one with the problem.
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I HAVE NEVER heard of being too wet is a bad thing it is always a good thing with us
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Yes, a woman can get too wet. But, the thing to do is wait till it dries a little (it always does). Then u can get on with the business of the day.No, it doesnt mean ur too loose.However, men do hv different preferences: for some, a dripping wet pussy is just perfect, while others want a tight semi-moist feel.Try keepin ur legs together while he's inside of u.Thats a fantastic win-win position if ur worried about looseness. Good luck.
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It's a head-scratcher, all right. The Wild lost when they needed to win. Now they win when they need to lose. Their current little stretch of competency could cost them a franchise player in the upcoming draft.
The Wild won again Sunday, April 1, beating the Blackhawks in Chicago. This is good?
Of course, every coach will say he wants to finish strong and create "something to build on" for next season. He'll credit his players for trying hard even though only pride is at stake. That's certainly valid. However, it also might be valid to consider what it says about a team that starts winning as soon as it's eliminated and the pressure is off. And what that says isn't particularly complimentary.
Not that anyone expects a team to try to lose. But this could have been a great time for one last look at some of the farmhands in Houston. For example, can Matt Hackett play goal for an extended stretch? At least then, if the team wins, it's winning with an eye toward the future.
Next season is going to be perhaps the most pivotal in franchise history. After three years of mediocre-to-lousy hockey, the long-anticipated arrival of young, fresh troops will commence. They might not all play with the Wild, but at least many of them will join the organization. So far, everyone has been pining for players who are still in juniors, in college or overseas. They aren't even officially members of the Wild yet. Talk about a long-range plan ...
That's going to change. It's possible that next season's forward-line combinations could be: Mikko Koivu, Dany Heatley and Mikael Granlund; Matt Cullen, Jason Zucker and Devin Setoguchi; Charlie Coyle, Johan Larsson and Cal Clutterbuck; and Zack Phillips, Kyle Brodziak and Brett Bulmer.
Some of those younger players likely have a way to go before they get here. So this is just for purposes of discussion. And I realize I put Granlund down as a winger on the Koivu line. There has been talk within the organization of at least starting Granlund on the wing until he gets acclimated to the NHL. Then he won't have quite so much defensive responsibility right away.
Anyway, it's intriguing to see the names of so many youngsters. The line combos don't even include Zach Parise or any other free agent who might opt to join our rebuilding project. And they don't include any of the oft-injured players who might regain their health.
Finally, it doesn't include either of the two potentially NHL-ready Russian forwards playing in Canadian juniors: Nail Yakupov and Mikhail Grigorenko. Columbus has the worst record and the best chance at getting one of the two via the weighted lottery. The Wild seemed on track to have a good shot at the other until last week.
The point is, I think people really could get behind a bunch of enthusiastic and talented young players. That would be something worth watching, something that creates hope, even if the team has to take its lumps for another couple of years. And it will have to take some lumps.
There probably isn't a team in the league with more young talent than the Edmonton Oilers. They have building blocks such as Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle. But the Oilers are in 14th place in the West, one position behind Minnesota, because it takes time for a young team to come together. They also have a great chance to get one of those Russians.
Whether the Wild want to go "all in" on rebuilding next season remains to be seen. It depends on whether management feels it legitimately can contend for a playoff spot by keeping many of its current skaters. And there are some good players here, too, just not nearly enough. Obviously, the Wild will have Koivu, Brodziak, Clutterbuck and so on. But there are way too many journeymen/fill-ins on the team.
I'd vote "all in" and see what happens. The team hasn't made the playoffs in four years. I'd rather see youngsters making mistakes than veterans who have no chance to do anything other than take up space.
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Hi all,
We are using Enterprise Vault 9 for archiving an Exchange 2010 organization (and some file servers).
Our policies are configured like as follow for the Mailbox archiving:
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As EV was installed 23 months ago we are approaching the D-Day!
To prevent any issue; is it possible to get a list of items/shortcuts that are approaching the 2 years limit?
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I don't *think* that there is a way to do this 'in product'.
You could write a CDO/VBSCRIPT or Redemption program to scan through mailboxes and list the messages that meet the criteria.
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