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Would you like HP to be able to call it the App Store instead of the App Catalog? 111
If you haven't heard, Microsoft has filed a complaint against Apple's trademark on the term "App Store," The argument is that the term is too generic to be trademarked. Presumably, that trademark has led other smartphone makers to jump through some interesting hoops in naming their app stores: Palm's "App Catalog," Android's "App Market," Windows Phone's "App Marketplace," and BlackBerry's (oof) "App World."
Any secondary meaning or fame Apple has in 'App Store' is de facto secondary meaning that cannot convert the generic term 'app store' into a protectable trademark. Apple cannot block competitors from using a generic name. 'App store' is generic and therefore in the public domain and free for all competitors to use.
Now, we supposed we're in agreement with Microsoft here if only to free up other companies to use the more natural name for their respective app stores. However with webOS we kind of like "App Catalog" as it sort of implies the more open structure that Palm has taken with regard to app approval. In addition to the "Official App Catalog," we also have the Beta and Web feeds that don't require pre-approval from Palm in order to get published.
Big deal? No, but if Microsoft gets its way perhaps HP and Palm will rebrand the App Catalog some day.
111 Comments
I'm with microsoft but I like what we have on webos don't change it
"App store" is definitely too generic to have a patent on it. Apple's patents are so ridiculus. They try to patents things like pinch to zoom and slide to unlock a touch screen device. That's one of the reasons I hate Apple. I like the App Catalog name. It goes with what I know about webOS. The Market on Android is a good name too. App world goes with BB. So its really not that big of a deal but I know why Microsoft is complaining. App store is too generic.
Considering scale, and App Kiosk or App Boutique might be more in line with identity.
But considering what apps were before the apple-ization moved them from productivity items to fluff, they should all be forced to call them App Flea Markets.
Not a huge deal but you seem to be confusing patents and trademarks. You can not patent a name but you can trademark it. Microsoft is objecting to Apple's trademark and rightly so, I applaud them for this. The multitouch thing however is a patent, although I think it should be invalidated.
App Store is tied in too much with Apple. I rather like each cell maker having a different name for their stores, and App Catalog has a much warmer sound to me than App Store.
I don't really care what it is called as long as it get more Apps in the catalog. Specially (logmein and Teamviewer)I do agree with Microsoft that App Store can not be trademarked
I agree. I don't care about the name, just get more developers on board for more apps!!!
AMEN! Especially about the park that we need Logmein or Teamviewer. I just can't believe it, a year and a half in and webos still doesn't have a decent remote access client. This app alone is what makes me consider android. Sad but true.
I'm agreeing with you on this it's the only program that is making me look at other clients.
I dont think "App Store" should be able to be trademarked. "Apple app store" yes. Plain old "app store" no. Does Best Buy trademark the term "electronic store"? Toys R' Us "Toy Store"? Sees candies "Candy Store"? You get my point.
Good point. Very good examples.
Not really. Trademark is all about prior, established use.
"Electronic Store" "Candy Store" et all were all in the vernacular, and untapped, long before BestBuy or Sees were around.
If BestBuy started proceedings to trademark Electronic Store, they would have missed the boat by about 15 years.
Sort of why you can't TM "auto" or "grocery store"
But no one really used the phrase "App Store" until Apple coined it. Doesn't mean the function didn't exist - just that no one ever called it that.
But personally I don't care. I think it would be monumentally stupid for MS to push this, as it just draws out in the media how dominant the App Store is (for Apple).
you may want to read up a little more before posting
Genericized trademarks can NOT be had..
Well if Wikipedia says so, it HAS to be true. But, I agree with you, taken from the United States Patent and Trademark Office website. (I'm bored at work and have a degree in research, sorry):
In considering whether applicant's mark is generic it is beyond dispute that "the burden of showing that a proposed trademark [or service mark] is generic remains with the Patent and Trademark Office." In re Merrill Lynch, 828 F.2d 1567, 4 USPQ2d 1141, 1143 (Fed. Cir. 1987). Moreover, it is incumbent upon the Examining Attorney to make a "substantial showing … that the matter is in fact generic." Merrill Lynch, 4 USPQ2d at 1143. Indeed, this substantial showing "must be based on clear evidence of generic use." Merrill Lynch, 4 USPQ2d at 1143. Thus, "a strong showing is required when the Office seeks to establish that a [mark] is generic."
Its generic when its generic.
You can't argue that it's generic, AFTER its used enough in trade to become generic sounding.
The word "app" (vs. application, or program) wasn't even in the lexicon.
Can the Office refuse to register a mark?
Yes. The Office will refuse to register matter if it does not function as a trademark. Not all words, names, symbols or devices function as trademarks. For example, matter which is merely the generic name of the goods on which it is used cannot be registered.
Additionally, Section 2 of the Trademark Act (15 U.S.C. §1052) contains several of the most common (though not the only) grounds for refusing registration. The grounds for refusal under Section 2 may be summarized as:
1. the proposed mark consists of or comprises immoral, deceptive, or scandalous matter;
2. the proposed mark may disparage or falsely suggest a connection with persons (living or dead), institutions, beliefs, or national symbols, or bring them into contempt or disrepute;
3. the proposed mark consists of or comprises the flag or coat of arms, or other insignia of the United States, or of any State or municipality, or of any foreign nation;
4. the proposed mark consists of or comprises a name, portrait or signature identifying a particular living individual, except by that individual's written consent; or the name, signature, or portrait of a deceased President of the United States during the life of his widow, if any, except by the written consent of the widow;
5. the proposed mark so resembles a mark already registered in the Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) that use of the mark on applicant's goods or services are likely to cause confusion, mistake, or deception;
6. the proposed mark is merely descriptive or deceptively misdescriptive of applicant's goods or services;
7. the proposed mark is primarily geographically descriptive or deceptively geographically misdescriptive of applicant's goods or services;
8. the proposed mark is primarily merely a surname; and
9. matter that, as a whole, is functional.
"The word "app" (vs. application, or program) wasn't even in the lexicon."
First of all, yes it was.
Second, even if it wasn't, it doesn't matter. The term "app" is not in contention, as all the competitors use it. The question is whether a trademark of "app store" for a store that sells apps is too generic.
The abbeviation of "Application" down to "App" may be material for establishment of a trademark.
While Application Store should be sufficiently generic to exist without protection.
No but "Best Buy" and "Toys R' Us" are just as plain so then they should be forced to change their names.
The general public will confuse Palm's "App Store" with Apple's App Store and believe that what ever is in one App Store should be in all the other App Stores. Please keep the differentiation between the names.
I don't want Palm to change the name, but I want them to be able to change the name. I want it clear that the App Catalog is an app store.
I think generic is generic. It should be available. I do like Palm's App Catalog though. I just wish it was more of an App Catalog instead of an App Pamphlet.
Pointless. Can i call my insurance company StateFarm since those are both common words too? Im pretty sure no.
Besides, if Microsoft wins this, id just think Microsoft is a whiny baby with an inferior app store since they obviously didnt think they could be successful on their own without taking Apple's name.
I think MS' point is that App Store is a generic descriptive term of what it is, though. See examples above from jsgraphicart. It would be like calling your Insurance Company "Insurance Company." Good luck with getting that trademark approved.
Or, calling your Word Processor "Word" and trademarking the name, then complaining people can't use that term for their own word processors. That would be equally ridiculous, and...
Nevermind, scratch that. ;)
More seriously, I never heard the term 'App Store' used for anything prior to the iPhone. Apple was the first to explicitly use the term 'App Store' that I can think of. Whether it's reasonable is another matter, but Apple was following well-established precedent in trademarking it, and this is something lord knows plenty of others have done.
HP has been known to get pretty snarly towards anyone using 'jet' in a printer name, for instance, despite the fact that inkjet printers are known collectively as, well, 'inkjets.' They used to guard the 'jet' portion of their LaserJet/DeskJet/ScanJet line as rabidly as anyone else (though I don't know if they still do).
No, because the words "state farm" do not inherently describe an insurance company. Trademark laws state that a trademarked name cannot be simply descriptive. So, for example, I could not trademark "Hamburger Stand" for a chain of street stands that sell hamburgers, but I probably could trademark it for a bookstore. However, trademarks only apply within a market, so I couldn't go suing hamburger vendors for using the name of my bookstore.
I agree with Microsoft, but we should keep the 'App Catalog' name. 'App Store' makes me feel like I have to spend money there, whereas the 'Catalog' description feels like we have more of a choice.
i could go either way.
wait, this is coming from the company that trademarked the word "window" even though they were the 3rd company to use that term for parts of their GUI??
Yes, Microsoft has ridiculous trademarks. It would be nice if someone would go after them, too, but it does not invalidate the point that Apple's trademark is generic and descriptive, and should thus be invalidated.
I prefer App Catalog. It sounds much better. App Store is very much associated with Apple.
But it ultimately comes down to what Palm wants.
So... I gonna create my Trademark: "App"!
Now, I'm rich!! :-))
"Apple App Store" - Okay
"App Store" - Foolish
Best Regards... B)
I do and have always agreed with MS's point on this (and in fact, when the competing stores came out, I was like, "why don't they all just call them the same thing? There's no way the term App Store is trademark-able..."). Not sure if it's worth their time to argue it, but the basic reasoning is sound to me.
However I've gotten used to App Catalog for the Pre and like the sound of it (and typing 'cata' to search for it is muscle memory for me now). I would have to relearn that if HP changed it. In the end, meh.
What is funny is that if any part of "app store" is deserving of trademark, it is the "app" part, which is clever because it simultaneously refers to apple and applications, plus they were the ones to go big on "there's an app for that."
It is silly that they decided that the store catalog etc was what needed changing/protecting.
I'm surprised that Apple hasn't tried to bar everybody from using "App" since it is the first 3 letters of Apple. ;)
As long as we're abreviating,, How about App Cat. And have an icon like a tiger or something.
keep it as is
Most people I've come across use the term "app store" in regards to any mobile app store, not just Apple's. But even if Palm can change the name, I'd just stick with "app catalog".
Apple should call their apps "applecations."
Apple has an App Store for the Mac also now, which I'm sure worries MS because they no doubt plan to copy that idea too. For it's part Apple claims that App is not just short for Application, but also for Apple. Seems like a stretch to me. MS's best argument I think is that Steve Jobs himself used the term generically when he referred to "Android app stores."
Regardless of what the court decides, consumers will call them whatever they want. When people talk about Kleenex and Q-Tips they don't necessarily mean that brand, even though those are protected trademarks.
The Linux distribution I use at home uses software repositories, which is basically an app store, except everything is free. Heck, Ubuntu has been using repositories since before the iPhone. So, as long as you're throwing out accusations of "copying," you'd better include Apple in the mix.
I always think MS is foolish, and really don't care what HP calls their place to get software applications, just as long as we get more apps and more WebOS devices!!
Overall, Apple needs to get over itself. But I like App Catalog!
Get over themselves? Were you complaining when Apple first applied for patent? Did it bother you?
Or are you just jumping on now that MS has an issue with it.
Because I think if you really cared, over and above fan-issues, you'd been incensed a few years ago when they first registered the mark (which was not a secret).
In reality it's "application store", that is the generic term.
since it is a store that sells applications.
I do believe Apple does have some merit here because, they used their own abbreviated version of "application" by using "app", and then phrasing it in with "store"; creatng "app store" as a unique phrase that is deeply associated with apple.
However if apple is granted this trademark, it would probably send a precedent, to trade mark the word "app" or "apps" when referring mobile device applications.
I agree.
The other thing, as I saw on perhaps TiPb, is that Apple has called their applications (on the Mac) Appliacions with the extention of .app since 2000 with the introduction of Mac OS X.
From fileinfo.com
"Application program (or executable file) that runs under Mac OS X; runs when double-clicked; similar to a .EXE file in Windows."
Notice, it even mentions "similar to a .EXE file in Windows" and when you click Start in Windows, you can go to your "Programs"
Coke owns the trademark to Coke, even though coke often refers to a brown carbonated cola.
Actually, it goes even further back than that! The .app extension for program bundles actually dates back to NeXT, the company that Jobs founded after he was ousted from Apple. NeXT released the first version of their 'NeXTSTEP' operating system in 1989. When Apple was dying, years later, they bought NeXT to use NeXTSTEP as the new Apple operating system. Mac OS X was initially just NeXTSTEP with a facelift and a new nametag, so the .app extension continued on unchanged. :)
(This is why all of the core classes in OS X's Cocoa programming library, like strings and so on, are still called 'NSString' and 'NSImage' and suchnot; the 'NS' prefix stands for Next Step.)
dont care what they call it. just fill it up
I frankly think the term "App" is already too closely tied to Apple. I always figured they called their Programs "App" so that people would connect "App"le and think of them.
Before this, these little things we put on our phones were Programs. And they still are.
Calling it "App" anything make the majority of the public think of Apple anyway. Great branding on their part.
sorry, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you there. "app" has never and will never be associated with apple. I've been calling "programs" applications (or apps for short) for as long as I can remember. It's not short for apple or anything related to apple. To this day when I download a freeware application on my windows box I download it to the "app" folder. Technically any program that was not a game was placed in the application category though I guess games could be considered apps in a way. If it were me I'd still keep applications and games separate, but that would probably confuse most apple users.
Hi schnoid,
Disagreement noted, and I won't argue that there are plenty of folk who connect "app" to application in general, but I still think that the majority of consumers don't. And that they now look at "App" as with connection to "Apple". I'm not talking about the computer savvy or those who would think of having an app folder. I am talking about the people to whom Apple markets. Even if the association wasn't originally there, I think that it is now. And has been ever since Apple's App store really took off.
I think of it similar to Verizon's "Droid" marketing of the Android operating system. People hear "Droid" and think it means Android, but if they walk into a Best Buy and say they want a "Droid" then the salesperson will lead them to Verizon...not Android in general.
"Killer App" has been a popular term since the mid 90's, almost a decade before Apple created their app store.
Also, Google got in trouble with Lucas Arts over Droid, I think. The term "droid" wasn't associated with robots until Star Wars, and Lucas got the trademark, I'm pretty sure.
So when Google (and I think Droid belongs to them, not Verizon, but could be wrong) did their big launch with Android, they ran into some potential legal trouble, and ended up settling.
Droid is a trademark of Lucasfilm and is used under license by Verizon for its "Droid Does" marketing blitz. (See the small text on the bottom of http://www.droiddoes.com/). Droid is used with special permission from LucasFilm. I don't know what (if any) monies changed hands to make that permission possible.
Regarding your post above: I agree that "app" has been used for decades, but think that the connotation has changed from general computing to mobile computing specifically relative to a single brand. I remember regaling the "Killer apps" on my first smartphone years ago only to be met with blank stares as to what I was talking about.
When I shifted the same discussion to the computer lab, everyone knew what I was talking about.
I am not trying to say that the term App is an Apple invention, just that the meaning is construed to mean Apple in the eyes of the general consumer.
Did you ever call Black and White copies Xeroxes when you were younger?
This is a waste of time and money. That phrase is synonymous with Apple whether Microsoft likes it or not. Suing isn't going to change consumers perception. Just like BlackBerry has their App World, Palm has App Catalog and Android has their Market.
Say what you will, but nobody called anything the 'Application Store' or 'App Store before apple launched it. They promoted the term and now Microsoft can't think of a good way to promote their own Store and illustrate why it's better. They just want to be able to say in a commercial, "..or browse the App Store" so uninformed consumers thing they're somehow the same thing. It mentally eliminates the rather large difference between the two stores. I think Microsoft has a larger stake in this though, since they also want to compete with Apple's newly launched App Store for the mac.
Nobody called anything 'App Store' because there was not a store to buy apps. Because Apple was first to create one does not mean that the name they gave it was not generic. Take Kleenex for example. Nobody called anything Kleenex before they started manufacturing their tissue paper, but now most everybody calls tissue paper kleenex, even if they use Puffs.
The best point MS makes is their argument that even Steve Jobs called the Android Market an app store.
I think HP should stick with App Catalog. I think Apple should stick with App Store, but I don't think they should be able to have a trademark on the title.
LOL, really? Several YEARS before the Apple App store, there were 25,000 Palm OS applications available, on several stores, including Palm Gear. Apple was hardly the first.
Handmark, Palmgear, Pocketgear, etc.
All this stores existed before Apple's, but eKalb has his point: everybody thinks they were the first, the same thing that happens with Facetime... 3g video call is old as the 3g network!!... That's the Reality Distorsion Field's effect, guys
Wait, there's a webOS app catalog? For what?
App Catalog is more sound than App Store. You don't go to stores to get free products but there are bunch of free Apps available to download.
App Store fits Apple since they are after people's money for every little thing. Palm gets its support from Linux community which is more open and freeware/shareware friendly.
App Cat is fine, who cares?
Id like HP to release WebOS 2.0 already!
I love the name, App Catalog.
If this were a survey, "App Catalog" would be the winner hands down. Besides, the number of apps will increase rapidly in the coming months once the new HP WebOS devices are released.
"It's okay, we're a technology company, using the name 'Apple' doesn't infringe at all on 'Apple Music', don't worry, we're not in the business of selling music."
*cue iTunes store*
Apple's entire name is stolen from Apple Music, hence why The Beatles refused to be in the iTunes store for so long.
Apple's entire existence is one giant case of the pot calling the kettle black.
A rose by any other name...
Geez, people shouldn't we be more concerned about what's actually in the catalog then what it's called? I know we live in shallow marketing oriented brand based culture, but a little substance please?
After all, we all went to WebOS because it's a higher quality mobile OS and not necessarily what the marketing brains told us to do? Right?
"App Cart" like an Apple Cart. haha F*ck Apple!
Ok, I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of trademarks is you just need to convince them that when most people hear the term, they think of you. You don't need to be first, or the only one. You just need mindshare in the present.
Microsoft was able to trademark "Windows." Were they the first? No. Did they use the term first? No. I have manuals from competing systems and technologies, and even API's that allow a user to open a "Window." But Microsoft was successful in convincing the court that when a person thinks of Windows, they think of Microsoft.
To invalidate the Apple claim, if I understand it correctly, Microsoft needs to show that enough people think of app store outside of Apple (in other words, people consider it generic, or there are alternative app stores).
Someone should look at Palmgear and whomever bought them to see if the term was/is still used outside Apple.
For example, here is a reference that I think predates Apples app store:
But unless folks "think" outside Apple, Apple may be able to get the trademark.
Yes, unify it. They all sell the same thing, why refer to them by different names? Yes, that's a flawed argument but I'm sticking to it :-p
You know, this seems like the perfect post to have a poll in it, yet no poll.
I don't care what it's called. But app store is like car lot or grocery store. Shouldn't e exclusive.
How about "The WebOS Store"?
It shouldn't be limited to apps. We can shop there and get upcoming devices, apps, accessories and apparel. This can be a hit since it has not been done yet by anyone in the mobile OS space.
More importantly, business or any sites can have links to the store via feeds and will get a % when people buy something. It's a great way for webOS to flourish and will cost almost nothing.
I couldn't care less what HP calls it.
personally, I don't really care. But since we are looking for potential names. How bouts the
"HP App tree"
if someone else has already said it. I apologize! Way too many comments to read.
apple...bite that! Sorry patent that
Before to think to change the name of catalog is better to think to open the catalog to all country...like Apple and Android....
I'm all for getting away from the term catalog, and Microsoft is correct in their assertion.
But since they did the same thing with the word "windows" I think they should be disqualified from making the case. They can't have it both ways.
No news week. See you on the 9th.
I don't really care. Seems like a frivolous waste of time...
The thing is, Apple can point to "App" as being something they started or being short for Apple.... But they're not defending the term App. App is used in the App Catalog, the App World, etc. They're defending App Store, with Store being the critical term of differentiation. They've already surrendered the term App to general parlance.
Any defense of App Store is doomed to lose.
being in marketing, I always get pretty worked up about this sort of thing.
I think if Apple wanted to brand their "app store" with their little logo mark next to the word 'store', it would be trademarkable. (for the record, if I ever in the future see such a logo from Apple, preCentral will be subpoena'd in my lawsuit. Apple may own the apple logo image, but that concept is now and hereafter mine.)
but this debate always makes me think of the list of trademarks that the NCAA holds for their "3rd Month of the Gregorian Calendar Basketball Competition". The fact is, someone on their broadcast partner CBS in the 80's coined the phrase, but the NCAA now bars anyone from using it without official license.
personally, I like "catalog", but am happy to see someone try to dent the armor of Steve Jobs' "machine"
For me App Store is too generic, but also App Catalog. I don't know why they just don't name them iOS Store and WebOS Store (...or Catalog). Google was the only one that did this right
Why is no one is using 'App Shop' yet? That would be just as natural IMO and no need to trademark it either.
Now, we supposed we're in agreement with Microsoft here if only to free up other companies to use the more natural name for their respective app stores.
"supposed" should probably be suppose unless you no longer suppose to be in agreement.
Yeah, I know it doesn't matter but at times I enjoy being a smartass.
Lets Call It The "App Bodega"
Someone beat you to that, actually, by a good couple of years:
HaHa, Check That Out!
while Microsoft is right in changing the insanity that is apple, HPalm should keep the current name. the term "app store" sounds bland, generic, and says "hey i want your money." as a Linux based OS, webOS is about freedom, not business. we all know apple is in it for the money more so(it seems) the an most other companies. so should the term be available for others? YES. but for webOS? no thanks. catalog is a far more friendly term.
Couple of notes:
Coke, Windows and Xerox are the names of either companies or products which is why they can be trademarked. The word "Apple" is the very common name of a fruit but was trademarkable only because a company was named after it. "App store" is neither the name of a product nor a company which is why it cannot be trademarked or even compared to those examples.
Steve Jobs has been quoted referring to, "Android app stores". If Apple truly thought it was their trademark, it would be equivalent of using their other trademarks to describe PC competition such as, "Dell's iMacs" and competing MP3 players such as "Microsoft and Sony's iPods".
Let's call it.
Place Where You Go To Obtain Software To Run On Your Webos Device By HP/Palm.
Therefore taking a step against the dumbing down of America
I like App Trough. I've only had my Pre for a couple of months but I feel like a gen-u-wine pig routin' round tryin to idify me inner "App-atite"
While I commend Microsoft and their battle against the fruit, I feel App Store is the least appealing title of them all.
microsoft is right, but as a not native-speaker of english, i like the term app catalog way more
HP Palm please DO NOT change the name.
There are several reasons:
A) Be an original, not a copy
Stand up, be yourself, keep your self-esteem, walk your own way and STOP trying to copy others.
There are enough copies around. We need more originals!
B) Better represents, what it is
To me, it better represents
- the nature of what it is
(a catalog with paid AND free apps) and
- the philosophy of the webOS community
(nice working togehter partnership,
where the fruit company and others
are far away from)
I like it, it's better,...
...keep it the App Catalog!
Greetings from Switzerland,
Yes, Microsoft. "App Store" should not be trademarked, as it is such a common term. Unlike "Windows", "Office", "Word", etc.
The use of catalog is appropriate for Palm. Each Market has its own name. App Market is a generic name, I do not believe Microsoft will need any trademark on or against.
How about a more interesting article title; will developers ever produce real UI's for their applications and use oracle software as application information, appropriately? Read on...
I really don't care about the name that much. Just give me some bad-ass applications to use on my next webos devices. However, I rather it remained the way it is. That way when you say App catalog, I know u are talking about hp/palm webos; when u say App store, I know you are talking about apple/ios; when you say App world, I know you are talking about blackberry/rim ; and when you say App market, i know u are talking about google/android. So just leave the name as it is and give us some 'SUPPER BAD' apps in the App catalog to use with our "coming soon" 'SUPPER BAD' devices.
I don't care what you call it, just let me download an app and give me 24 hours to try it before I am charged.
Android market is the model.
I've never liked or used the term "app." So how about we call it the software shop. To me app means apparatus i.e. snorkel, turntable ladder, tiller ladder, heavy rescue, hazmat truck, command vehicle etc. Or appendix in a book.
I think the trademark of App Store for Apple has a limited life ahead. That said, we'll see Blackberry's App Store or Windows Phone App store, anyway just for differentiation.
Marketing people will still be saying "Visit our Windows Phone App Store." Really it would be easier if they had their own name since then they just say "Grab it at the App Catalog" and you know they are talking about HP/Palm.
But, in any case, I'm happy with App Catalog..
Typical MS, Windows 7 phone fail, apps for the Windows 7 store fail. So, in typical MS style, lets pick on Apple when they do something better (which Apple usually does).
Besides it is going on 3 years and MicroSoft just realized that Apple patented "App Store"? Typical MS speedy awareness of doing things.
Apple traded marked App Store first, it has been around for a couple years, leave it be.


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In Babylon 5, series creator J Michael Straczynski had a defined story he wished to tell. It was to span five seasons of 22 episodes each and was set in stone to cover a very specific story arc. Because of this long-term approach, B5 emerged as one of the most structured and rich sci-fi shows that had ever aired, one that never rambled and always had a clear destination in mind. The plan did come undone, though, when the threat of cancellation forced Straczynski to move events up in season four, which subsequently left him with less to do in the final year when the show was ultimately renewed. Best laid plans and all that.
Into The Fire (Season 4, Episode 6), where Sheridan tells the Shadows to "get the hell out of our galaxy!"
The StarFurie fighters were the first cinematic spacecraft to fly according to Newtonian physics. Their design was so impressive that NASA asked permission to use them as the basis prototype hauling vessels for the international space station.


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Vols look to keep recruiting momentum despite support staff changes
[dropcap]T[/dropcap]ennessee's 2014 recruiting class is off to a hot start.
Butch Jones has connected with former players and created excitement around the program, and the Vols have ridden that wave to seven verbal commitments, with four of those prospects ranked 4 stars by Rivals.com.
It could soon get even better. There have been hints on Twitter and elsewhere that other top prospects could be close to pulling the trigger for Tennessee before the Vols' April 20 spring game.
But Jones has lost two members of his on-campus recruiting staff since March, and it will be interesting to see if that has any effect on that momentum.
Jones confirmed after Saturday's practice that on-campus recruiting coordinator J.R. Sandlin has left the program.
"J.R. has moved on and is no longer part of the program," he said. No further details were given.
Jones hired Sandlin away from Nick Saban's Alabama off-field recruiting staff in December. A native of Tuscaloosa and former player at Central Florida, Sandlin was part of the Tide's staff from 2010-12.
Those familiar with Sandlin say that he has an aggressive and creative approach. The Vols made headlines last month when Stanton Truitt, a 5-foot-10, 180-pound athlete from Monroe, Ga., 102 letters in a single day.
"The Tennessee staff had been telling me that everything we do, we are always going to do it plus-two," Tuitt told ESPN at the time. "Every play you run, you want to get plus-two yards, take an extra two yards with the end zone. Everything you do, do it plus-two. That is why they sent me 102 letters."
Last February, Saban famously sent running back recruit Alvin Kamara 105 recruiting letters in a day.
Keith Pantling, a recruiting assistant who accompanied Jones from Cincinnati, left the program last month.
The Vols closed the 2013 recruiting class with a thud, missing on several top prospects on Signing Day, but that hasn't slowed the staff down for 2014.
Buoyed by a strong group of UT legacies — including 4-star defensive back Todd Kelly, Jr. (6-1, 190, Knoxville, Tenn. / Webb) and 3-star receiver Neiko Creamer (6-4, 220, Elkton, Md. / Eastern Christian), whose fathers played at Tennessee, and 4-star defensive back Vic Wharton (6-1, 172, Nashville, Tenn. / Independence) whose uncle played there — the Vols have gotten off to a fast start.
Last week, D'Andre Payne, a 4-star cornerback from Washington, D.C., became the latest recruit to give Tennessee his verbal pledge. The 5-foot-9, 170-pound speedster had offers from dozens of top programs, including Florida State, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Clemson, Virginia Georgia Tech, Stanford, Michigan and Ohio State.
Payne cited assistant Tommy Thigpen, the former Auburn and North Carolina assistant who is known for his recruiting ability and deep ties in the mid-Atlantic reason, as a key factor in his decision.
Tennessee only signed one running back in last year's class, making that position a major priority, and that need was addressed in a big way last month.
Jalen Hurd, who is ranked a 4 or 5-star prospect by the various recruiting services, broke the Tennessee state single-season rushing record last year with 3,357 yards and 43 touchdowns despite missing the equivalent of nearly three full games. Hurd told the Tennesseean that he over 230 pounds — up from 210 last year — on his 6-foot-3 frame.
A day after Hurd chose the Vols, 3-star tailback Treyvon Paulk, a 5-8, 190-pounder from Milton High School (Alpharetta, Ga.) chose Tennessee. Paulk, who rushed for 1,200 yards and 17 touchdowns as a junior, also had offers from Ole Miss, Cal, West Virginia and Wisconsin, among others. Paulk cited his relationship with new UT running backs coach Robert Gillespie as a major factor in his decision.
Despite the early success, Jones and staff still need plenty of needs to address. The Vols would like to add more playmakers, as well as quality offensive and defensive linemen.
Jones says the search for Sandlin's replacement is "ongoing," and even though the on-field staff members get the credit, filling the recruiting support staff openings with strong hires will be critical in the Vols' push toward a top-five recruiting class.
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Archive for May, 2009
Can I fist pump you my social networks?0
During the week of May 24 through May 31st AustinLifestyles.com, The Spring, BHI, and RegistrationAssistant are hosting a visitor from the Netherlands, Paul Geurts of MyNameisE.com. He is bringing the first prototypes of a social networking and business card connector to Austin, Texas. If you're around Austin next week and want a demo, call Paul at 512–699–4000 or email terry at spring dot net.
The E device can be used at conventions, trade shows, and meetings, in metropolitian areas like Austin and on college campuses like the University of Texas. There are over 1.2 million conventions, trade shows and events in the US every year.
What is the E device? In its current incarnation, E is small white, sleek looking device much like an ipod nano or USB storage device. With E, you can share your contact information and social networks in one simple gesture.
Connector allows you to safely transfer an online business card and your set of social networks in a simple gesture like a fist pump or a high five. Tap two Connectors together and you're connected. Synchonize Connector by using the built-in USB plug with your PC or Mac. It is ideal for networking at large events and conferences.
During the week that Paul Geurts is visiting Austin, we will be meeting with venture investors, potential partners, customers and forming a team to distribute and promote E throught the US and North America.
There is no setup with connector, it can be used immediately out of the box. It's equipped with a lithium polymer battery which allows you to use it for 72 hours on a 2 hour charge. It holds two of your E Business Cards (one for personal and one for professional) and connects to RFID tags as well as other Connectors and iphones. It gives you intuitive feedback through LED lighting. The RFID tag feature opens it up the world of "choice based advertising" and integrates these connections in to your social network activity stream. It connects you to objects and to the environment as well as to people.
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So what's the deal with Drupal? (panels and party)0
via Lyn Bender and Facebook:
an evening of Drinks and Drupal
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
6:30pm – 10:30pm
Union Park Austin
612 W Sixth St. Austin, Texas 78701
Austin, TX
Ever since GeekAustin announced the "Introduction to Drupal" workshop, we've been getting emails asking: "So what's the big deal with Drupal?" Sounds like an excuse for a party? Yes!
We'll have drinks out front and panels in back. We'll be bringing in local experts to discuss and debate topics such as: "Why should I use Drupal instead of WordPress?", "Isn't theming hard with Drupal?", and "Why would the city use Plone instead of Drupal?". Ok, well maybe not the last panel.
This should be fun. Hope you can make it.
The Drupal Texas LinkedIn group:
The Austin Drupal Users facebook group:
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twitter lists, resources and how tos
Twitter Lists, Resources & How-Tos
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Our children will inherit a world profoundly changed by the combination of technology and humanity that is social media. They'll take for granted that their voices can be heard and that a social movement can be launched from their laptop. And they'll take for granted that they are connected and interconnected with hundreds of millions of people at any given moment.(tags: socialmedia, twitter, trends, springnet, *****)
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TRESPASS - MASSENA - Village police charged three men Sunday in connection with a vandalism incident Aug. 14 at Alexs Glass in Massena.
Village police charged Steven D. LaClair, 20, of 100 Water St., Massena; Joshua J. Love, 21, of 81 Chase St., Massena; and James C. Delosh, 18, of 168 Jefferson Ave., Massena; with trespassing. Delosh was additionally charged with fourth-degree criminal mischief for throwing a rock through the window at the business at 1:08 a.m. Aug. 14. The estimate for the window repair is $128.40.
Delosh, in a statement he provided to police, said the three men went tothe cemetery and then cut over to George Street by Alexs Glass. He said he and LaClair had been drinking Twisted Teas.
He said LaClair threw a Twisted Tea bottle at Jessica Dobbins house. Delosh siad he then threw a rock at the window at Alexs Glass.
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The Honorable Paul Whorrall
Mayor of the Village of Manlius
Message from the Mayor:
Spring is struggling to grab ahold here in the Village, but it hasn't stopped our Public Works Department from getting out there raking and cleaning up the debris that winter left us. Recently, I've noticed several people already out cleaning around their yards and piling brush and branches by the road for pickup. Please be patient, as our Public Works Department will make every effort to get to your neighborhood as soon as possible to remove your roadside debris.
I would personally like to thank everyone that supported the Village and the Manlius Fire Department in their quest for a new Fire and Emergency Medical Service Facility. I can assure you that the new fire station will provide our community and our emergency service personnel with a safer and more efficient service.
Just this past week, the Village's Traffic Committee met with the NYS Department of Transportation to discuss numerous concerns with traffic, signaling, crosswalks, and pedestrian safety here in the Village. After several hours discussing and reviewing the concerns the Committee raised, and hearing the DOT explain their position and reasons that warrant how traffic flows, the following conclusions were agreed upon on a trial basis for possible future implementation.
1. Left turn arrow onto Stickley Drive.
2. Right on red at Arkie Albanese Ave.
3. Crosswalk relocation and/or pedestrian signaling at Seneca St. & Wesley St.
4. Single curb cut and entrance/exit at Beat Street location.
5. Change west bound double lane between North & Franklin St. to one lane and curbside parking 24/7.
6. Change east bound three lanes back to two lanes between Flume Rd. and Seneca/Fayette intersection.
7. Change Traffic Control Signal at Flume Rd. & W. Seneca St. (Tops Plaza) to allow better traffic flow for East and West bound travel.
8. Change all Traffic Control Signaling to allow for more Village Friendly travel in off peak hours between 10:00pm to 6:00am every day.
Please be cognizant that these changes may begin to take place in the very near future, and I would like everyone to be aware of the changes and to drive safely as the Village implements new signaling and traffic patterns during this trial basis.
Mayor Paul Whorrall
For information on the new Fire station project, click here.
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Tuesday: Clear in the morning, then partly cloudy. High of 54. Winds from the NE at 5 to 10 mph. Tuesday night: Partly cloudy. Low of 46. Winds less than 5 mph.
EVENT OF THE DAY: Open Mic night at the Waltz Astoria
Bring your guitar, your newest slam poems, or at the very least an open mind to Open Mic night at the Waltz Astoria, 23-14 Ditmars Boulevard. Sign-up is at 7:30 p.m. and performances begin at 8 p.m. There is no cover charge, yet there is a $10 food and drink minimum. Click here for more info or to submit an event of your own
1 Year Later, Sandy survivors to light up New York, New Jersey shores
Candles and flashlights will light up the shore along the East Coast as survivors of Sandy pay their respects to what was lost when the storm roared ashore one year ago. Read more: NBC New York
2 pedestrians hit, killed in separate accidents
Two pedestrians were struck and killed in separate incidents in Brooklyn and Queens Monday night. Read more: CBS New York
NYC erroneously gave state STAR tax breaks for office building, parking lots
Bumbling city Finance Department watchdogs have for years been erroneously giving more than $2,000 in tax breaks to the owners of an office building and three parking lots — including one rented by the department itself. Read more: New York Daily News
White House grants extension for health care sign-up
The Obama administration says it's granting a six-week extension until March 31 for Americans to sign up for coverage next year and avoid new tax penalties under the president's health care overhaul law. Read more: CBS New York
NYC neighborhood preference: men vs. women
When it comes to finding a place to live in the city, men and women have very different opinions on what makes an ideal neighborhood. Read more: Fox New York


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Fort Rucker officials allowed News 4 cameras on post Tuesday, for a tour of one of their newly renovated homes. The renovations are part of a $150-million dollar project that will take about eight years to complete.
For those living on the post, this is a project that is long overdue.
Moist of the homes provided to military families are duplexes that were built in the 1950's and are in desperate need of updating.
So, Picerne Military Housing is stepping in, making changes from the inside out.
Once stripped, each home is divided by 12-feet, making room for two single-family homes.
One of the most obvious changes you'll see while driving through the post is that each floor plan is different and you'll no longer see the same home side by side.
Then, once inside, families will notice a number of added amenities and improvements.
The square-footage of the homes have been increased, with an added master bedroom suite.
The homes are also rebuilt with updated electric, carpeting, an open kitchen and an enclosed garage.
Families will begin moving in as early as this month.
Picerne Military Housing is also building homes on the post.
The first foundation is being poured this week.
For more information and an in-depth look at the housing project, join us next week for Erika's special series.
It will feature Picerne's partnership with the community funding for this project and the future outlook of Fort Rucker.
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Spacing: 3 inches.
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Spread: Vine.
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Foliage: Green foliage.
Days To Maturity: 86 days.
Form: Annual.
Soil Requirements: Rich, sandy, well-drained soil; pH 7.0-7.8
Growth Rate: Medium growth rate.
Seed Count: Approximately 25 seeds per packet.
Comments: A leader for an Eastern type Melon. A good pick for Eastern and Midwestern states. Fruits are round to flattened-round with course net and deep sutures. Fruit size is large with average weights around 6 - 8 lbs. Tolerant to furarium wilt 2. High quality fruits and heavy producers of melons with a salmon-colored flesh of thick, smooth and of the finest flavor and aroma that holds well after picking.


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What are YOUR Price Points for Baby Items?
This Hip2Save.com Deal was hand-posted on Monday, January 17th, 2011 at 5:13 pm.
Check out this email I recently received from reader, Jennifer…
Hi Collin! First, thanks for all you do to help us all save a bundle! Speaking of bundles, my husband and I just found out that we are expecting our first baby in September. :-) We are so happy and excited. Shortly after we found out, my husband said "you better start stocking up on baby freebies you know!" He has really come to love my couponing! LOL! I'm wondering if you might ask my fellow Hip2Savers to help me and other first time moms out there. I am totally lost on all things baby. What is a good price point for wipes, diapers, shampoo, lotion, formula etc.? Also, how far in advance can I stock up on certain items without worrying about spoiling? Can I stock up on wipes without worry that they will dry out? I have a million questions and know I can count on my Hip2Save community to help me out with the savings part!
Since all of my kiddos are finally out of diapers (Yippee!!), I am having a hard time coming up with good price points for the mentioned items above. So if you have a baby or toddler, please help Jennifer and other new mommies out by sharing your stock-up prices and any other money-saving tips/advice that you can offer a first-time mom. I would also love for you to suggest must-have baby items (i.e. for me, it was my sling and a Bumbo Baby seat) and baby items that you may feel are totally unnecessary.
And congratulations to Jennifer and all the other expectant Hip2Savers! :D
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I know this is an old post. But it helped me out a ton while I was pregnant and I just wanted to share all that i've learned since my baby was born in January 2012.
Diapers: I stocked up when I found sales while I was pregnant and the day she was born I had over $4000 diapers so i'm not buying more. lol But as far as sizing I only had a box and one jumbo of NB besides what they gave us at the hospital, and so we had to buy like 5 more jumbos. My 8lb 12oz baby didn't move up to size 1's until 6 weeks, at 14 weeks and 13 lbs now she is still in size 1's but once we finish this box we'll be going to 2's. and i have 6 jumbos and a mega pack left which i'll have to exchange for a different size.
Feeding: I breast fed for 8 weeks, and honestly it was a love hate relationship. I hated the time it took! like 12 hours a day! but i loved her needing me. But my supply was so low she was starving so we switched to similac, then had bad tummy troubles so tons of mylecon drops! and switched to similac sensitive, and now we're in the process of switching to gerber good start gentle because of having to get WIC.
But my must haves are deffinately the moby wrap! a swing, and a little play mat. my daughter loves these! also MAM pacis (she wouldn't use any other kind) , paci clips where they clip to their shirts! and BIBS we go thru so many!
Things that where a wast of money: BUMBO my daughter hates it she screams, BOPPY It was no use to me at all nursing it never went up high enough and i'm short! fluffy dresses, my daughter has a ton of them that she has worn once and they're so uncomfy.
Only boil one pack of pacis until you know what you'll use, I boiled about 20 NUKS and she refused to take them, so I had to give them away.
Cut your wipes in half for just pee pee's, you only use about that much any way!
Use gripe water instead of mylecon drops. My son has tummy trouble and I find the gripe water works better than the mylecon drops.
I tried gripe water it made her perjectile vomit every time.
Breastfeeding: A lot of women say they "can't" breastfeed for whatever reason. Almost all of those women are wrong, it's that they didn't try hard enough. There wasn't always formula to use instead of breast milk! That being said, breast feeding is NOT easy. It takes a lot more time then formula and it sometimes hurts (if it does use some Lansinoh, it helps a lot- the pain goes away!). Pumping is even worse (in my experience- I didn't do it a lot and had a nice breast pump). Your body wants to hear crying, it helps you produce. When you pump, you don't have this. If you're planning on going to work full time, I wouldn't plan on only breastfeeding. If you're planning on solely breastfeeding, I would recommend signing up for the different formula companies and they will send you free cans. This way you have some on hand for those times when it would be nice to have some. I breastfeed 95% of the time but it's nice to have formula on hand so if we go to our in laws, I don't have to breast feed in front of them, I can have them give her a bottle. I get a little break and don't have to "show off" in front of people :p. If you're breastfeeding, get a cover- it doesn't have to be expensive (I got Munchkin brand on clearance for $6) but it will be nice. A blanket is not the same- unless it has a strap to go around your neck. With a strap, you won't have to worry about it falling off.
Formula: If you're planning on doing formula (I recommend breast feeding, but it's not for everyone) sign up for the formula companies right away! It took 2-3 months to get anything from them after signing up. Formula companies will send you checks that you can use like coupons and get much better deals on formula. I personally wouldn't buy a store brand (only because with how little I use and with good coupons, name brand is about the same or a little more), but even my doctor recommended Target brand- and it's a LOT cheaper than regular price Enfamil, Similac, or Gerber. Target.com/coupons occasionally has coupons on formula also- including Target brand.
Baby Food: Don't buy a food processor just for baby food. At about 4 months you can start using baby cereal (don't buy much) and then shortly after you can use baby food and by 8 months, my baby was not eating baby food any more. My baby ate breast milk and regular food. If you're planning on buying a food processor and want decide to get it sooner to use it for baby food- then get it, but otherwise, it's not worth it to spend $80+ on a food processor you're going to use for 3-4 months. I think I bought about 10- 2 packs of food and that was it. It was a stretch to use it all. I bought a number of boxes of cereal, and I still have a few boxes left. My baby's 22 months now. Don't bother buying much of the special finger foods. At the beginning of eating foods, it may be necessary, but after a while, Cheerios are just as good. I would recommend buying some though because it's nice to reuse the containers!
Disposable Diapers: Generally when people have problems with diapers, it's for one of two reasons, either they're putting it on the baby wrong (girls the front of the diaper can be lower then on boys), or they're in the wrong size. The size of diapers doesn't have to do much with their actual weight, it's much more about how much they are peeing (except probably newborn and preemie size). I wouldn't buy ANY newborn diapers if you have a history of large babies in your family. Size 1 diapers start at 8 lbs and hold a LOT more pee. There's not much difference in size between newborn and size 1. My baby was born at 8 lbs 13 oz and wore newborns for about a week. If your baby gets a rash while wearing a different brand diaper, it's not necessarily the diaper- it may be circumstance that they get it then. Give each diaper brand a chance- at least a week. I didn't have any problems with any brands with either of my children. As for sales, I've heard that under $.10/diaper is a stock up price. I almost never find this- at least not for larger sizes. I would say that $4.50/pack or less is very good. Target brand is cheap and I believe Walgreens brand is cheap too. I couldn't personally find good deals on Amazon.
Cloth diapers: When some people think of cloth diapers, they thing of prefolds. Oh my, I could not do that! Cloth diapers don't have to be that much work! I don't have a lot of experience with cloth diapers, but I have used them. I actually bought Babyland diapers on Ebay. I watched for good deals and got them as low as $.99 with insert. I think these diapers have done pretty well, better than expected. I mostly have problems with my 2 month old leaking pee. I actually think these hold in poop better than disposables because I bought one size diapers and so they are larger. They're not much more work then regular diapers. I would recommend pocket diapers or all in ones because it is easy to just toss the poop in the toilet. With my two month old I don't even do that, I just wash it and it comes out fine but once she starts eating food other than milk, I'll have to start flushing it. One thing people think of when they think of cloth diapers is all the extra washing. I only do about two load extra a week (maybe 3). Those loads are NOT comparable to a regular load. All I do is throw it in the wash, take it out of the wash and separate out the covers, hang the covers and throw the inserts in the dryer to dry. You have to stuff the diapers again, but there's not all the folding of a regular load. I don't mind washing the diapers at all and I do NOT like doing laundry! My son started to leak with the microfiber inserts after a while so I got BabyKicks Premium Hemp inserts: http://www.amazon.com/BabyKicks-Pack-Joey-Bunz-Premium-Large/dp/B001NAAQRS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334692656&sr=8-1. These made a huge difference! I was spoiled by disposable diapers initially so I would NOT put up with having to change a diaper every two hours. I don't change them much more often with cloth then with disposable, certainly not every 2 hours. I've finally decided to try some more expensive diapers- not that expensive though, I don't have that much money, so I'm trying the Coolababy diapers (also off Ebay). I decided on these because they are still lower priced and I'm buying the ones that have the double gusset. I'm thinking that will make a difference in use. I still waiting to get them in the mail (they take about a month). A LOT of websites recommend not using the cheap Ebay ones, but give them a chance! You're not going to waste much money if you only buy a few. If I had more money, I would probably get Thirsties All in Ones. All in Ones means no stuffing and I like that the Thirsties come in two sizes so hopefully they would fit better and longer. I haven't actually tried these (way too expensive), but these would be the first I'd try.
Gear: You don't need nearly as much gear as there is on the market. These are the musts:
A chair of some kind. The $20 or $30 ones at Target are fine. If you get one that swings, your baby may get used to that and only want that.
A high chair of some kind. I got one that attaches to the table and I love it. My son can eat right with us and there was only about 3 months there where I would have wanted one of the reclining kinds. That is not worth $100 to me. The attach on kinds are much cheaper than the stand alone ones and take up less room.
A floor mat for baby. I'm way too concerned about putting my baby on the hardwood floor or on the dirty carpet and the floor mats aren't very expensive. I got mine at Once Upon a Child for about $20.
A baby monitor (if you live in a two story house). We had people living in our basement with our first child and never used the baby monitor. With our second, it's nice to have it so we can hear for sure if shes crying- it's hard to hear her downstairs. Our baby monitor was less than $20 at Target and it works fine. You don't need anything fancy. A video might be nice, but not worth $200.
An exercauser is really nice. A boppy is nice for breastfeeding- although it's kind of awkward at the same time- and is nice for propping up your child when they're a little older.
Clothes: You don't need as many clothes as you think is what I've learned. My two year old has so many he doesn't wear. Also, buy at garage sales! This is the cheapest way! I've bought very few clothes new. At garage sales, I typically buy things for $.25-$.50. I did learn from experience that you should be willing to spend more on a few really nice things for holidays and special ocassions or else you may have to make a Once Upon a Child run a week before Christmas for a nice Christmas outfit. But even with that- it's not a big deal.
Cribs: I know drop sided cribs were recalled, but don't just assume that means they are bad. I did research on drop sided cribs and decided to keep mine because I LOVE it. Drop sided cribs were recalled for ridiculous reasons, poor use, and idiots (in my opinion). I'm so glad I got my hands on one before they disappear. Do research on it and make your own decision. If you decide to get one, I do think that it is more susceptible to wear so you have to make sure you have it assembled correctly (with ALL pieces) and that you check it frequently. Whatever you decide to do, make sure it is in good condition. I also bought a bassinet, it's nice to have the baby right in the room with you when they're waking up frequently during the night. Use common sense, if it doesn't seem safe, don't use it.
Car Seats: Buy the best you can afford! Don't use any one else's unless you would trust them with your babies life and trust them that it hasn't been in a car accident. If you do get one from someone, make sure it's newer- it should have a date stamped on it somewhere. I can't remember if it's a manufacture date or a stop using after date.
Baby bedding sets: Oh my, these are such a rip off! You're not even supposed to use bumper, all you need is a sheet and a blanket! I keep diapers under the bed- I don't want to have a dust ruffle in the way of getting to them! A sheet is $10 regular price at Target, a blanket is $20, why would you spend $50 or $100 or more on a set? You can get matching ones at Target. I don't need 8 things on my baby's bed.
Wow, I just spent way too much time writing this!
Thanks for the details! How did you get the stars?
maybe collin put them
I don't know, I didn't put them there!
I have a bit more experience with cloth diapers and wanted to add on to what I wrote about them. I got grovia all in twos, fuzzibunz one size pockets, bum genius all in one one size and pocket one size, thirties pockets, and flip covers. I like these a lot more than the Babyland, all of them. I really like the grovia for my three month old- theyfit very similar to disposables. All of the other ones seem a bit boxy, these are nice and round. Plus, they come in adorable prints. The grovia hold a massive amount of pee. I like the grovia and the flip and grovia because you can use the covers multiple times, it helps save on costs. Velcro is nice because it's fast and similar to disposables. Snaps are nice because they're harder forms two year old to get off. I'll stop talking about this aspect, tons of blogs talk about this. Cloth diapers you can rarely get good deals on, it's very unlikely your going to get them new for 75% off. Used, they're like 50% off! I've found that craigslist is the best place get them. I've gotten a number around $5-$7 each for pockets with inserts. Just check back often for the best deals. If you don't live near a big city, ebay and used diaper sites Are good. If you want to buy new, I've found a number of brands have updated prints and so discontinued prints will be clearanced. Amazon seems to have pretty good every day prices. Cloth diapers are going really well for us! My husband's not quite sure, but I change most of the diapers anyways. If you have a washing machine give a few different brands a chance. Resale for diapers is awesome so you don't have much to loose!
I couldn't disagree more with the comment that if you are planning on working you shouldn't breast feed. I'm on baby #3 and have breasted each one – working more than full time. It takes extra work and you NEED a good pump. I have the Medea pump in style advanced and it has gotten me through all three kids. It has more than payed for itself and BF is so much better for babies. You need to decide that you are going to BF no matter what.
Well, first, I said you shouldn't plan on ONLY breastfeeding. Many women say they are going to breast feed but give up when it gets difficult. I said that because breastfeeding is difficult! Adding on top of that working, and it's that much harder. I bf so I definitely promote it all the way, cheaper and better, the more you do the better. I went to school part time and even with that was so close to giving up breastfeeding. Without the support of my husband- telling me you need to keep doing this, it will get better- I would have quit. And he was right, it did get better. I breast feed 6+ months after that. You absolutely need to be dedicated, have a flexible job- or the balls to stand up to your supervisors and say you legally have to give me pumping time, and be able to tolerate pain. Because of this, I recommended not planning on breastfeeding alone. You can look for a sale while your pregnant and get a few cans on an awesome sale and have them on hand in case. It's not the worst thing ever to feed your baby formula even if you were plan breastfeeding exclusively. You'll have it on hand if you need it. It is the worst thing ever to have to run out in the middle of the night, through 6 feet of snow, with a rundown car, to get some formula that's NOT ON SALE! :p The not on sale part making it "the worst thing ever." The other stuff would have been acceptable if it was a good sale. I'm not speaking from experience, I planned ahead!
Actually, not every one CAN breastfeed – no matter how hard they try. They used to have "wet" nurses or other moms step in when there wasn't formula. There are a lot of medical reasons for why a woman might not be able to breastfeed and it's definitely not just because they didn't try.
FYI_Statistically only 2% of women CAN NOT breast feed due to medical explanations.
Does anyone have price points for items?
And how many is good to have in a stock pile before baby gets here? This is the info i need the most:) I have no idea where to start.
I typically buy most of my items at Target so most of the price points/deals are from Target.
Bottles: Target has them on sale during their baby sale and a few times throughout the year for buy one get one 50% off. I typically combine that with coupons- Playtex has quite a few coupons, and get them for around 50% off. From my experience, 50% off bottles is a good price. It depends on what bottles you want, some have coupons, some don't. Sometimes they'll also have gift card deals, but I'm not as familiar with those deals. I have also gotten bottles on clearance at the grocery store (Cub and Rainbow are in my area). That's actually where I got most of my bottles, but clearance is a bit more luck. I'd start checking in the baby section as soon as you find out you are pregnant and watch for good deals. I've gotten a 2 pk of Avent for $7 and a 3 pk of Medela I think for $6 both on clearance at the grocery store.
Diapers: I had I think 1200-1500 diapers stocked under the baby crib right before my first was born. I got a lot of those at the showers I had. My second we didn't have any showers so we didn't stock up as much. I didn't change my baby every time they peed (a diaper can hold multiple pees) so I changed probably 8-10 diapers at the very beginning and probably only 4-6 a day after they were six months old. My stock lasted my first one until he was probably a year and a half. I had about an equal amount in each size up to size 4. They go through more diapers/day when they are in size 1 and 2, but 3 and 4 have a much broader weight range. The best deals at Target are when they have their boxes buy 2 get a $10 GC for the smaller boxes or buy 2 get a $15 GC for the large boxes. Next week Target has Luvs on sale buy 2 get a $10 GC ($17 boxes). This is one of the best deals to easily get diapers even without coupons. I've bought a number of boxes on this deal.
Wipes: Buy at least one huggies even if you hate the wipes because they have the best container! Collin typically does wipes deals for under $.02/wipe, but I've gotten them a lot cheaper than that. I would stick to name brand wipes because they are nicer (I like Huggies, Pampers, and Luvs- not so much Target or most non name brand). They are a lot thicker than Target wipes is mostly the reason. I typically pay $1 for the soft sided Huggies that have 64 to 72 wipes.
I can't do all of them right now, but I'll try to remember to come back and finish it up!
My price points for diapers are $5 or under for a jumbo pack of huggies or pampers and $4 or under for luvs or a store brand for a jumbo pack. I wont pay over that! Wipes – on black friday babies r us usually has their refil wipes packs for like 700+ wipes for $5 so I always get as much as I can.
As for stocking, wipes will last if you don't open them, except pampers, they tend to dry out, so use all the pampers ones first!
And diapers I've got a stock pike of over 2000 for my 6 month old. Whenever I find them on sale I stock up, from pregnancy to now. Get different sizes! Especially the bigger ones, because ppl tend to give you N and 1's at showers. Even If you have too many of one size, Walmart and Target both let you exchange a pack for the same brand/type for a different size if needed!
Oxyclean (the powdered version) has been a lifesaver for my baby's clothes. Gets out all the poop stains and food stains. There's always coupons inside, too.
Bottles: if you plan to breastfeed, get bottles that attach to your pump. I breastfed mostly and only needed 8 bottles. Medela bottles for medela pump
Diapers: I found a great sale on diapers a few days before I went into labor. I bought about 4 large packs of each size. I only bought 2 packs of newborn because I knew babies aren't in that size for long. Stock up on size 1 and size 2. Also, if you have a shower, have a diaper raffle. Any guest brings a pack of diapers, any size, any brand to the shower and they are entered into the raffle. My guest won gift cards to Starbucks.
Wipes: along with diapers, buy Target brand or babies r us supreme. Buy the unscented ones by the case. it ends up being like $1.20 a pack. And these stores usually have pets where if you buy both value size diapers and wipes you get money off or a coupon for next purchase.
Keep in mind less is more! Don't overbuy on gear. I need to tend to my baby, but I'll be back to continue.


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With all the hype about bedbugs and stink bugs lately, you'd think they were the first pests to ever invade our homes. But what about that old standby, the cockroach? I'm guessing he may feel a little neglected with these competitors stealing all the attention. But they're just a flash in the pan. Cockroaches have been with us for millennia, and they're not going anywhere anytime soon. In fact, they might outlive us: they can live three months without food, a month without water, and a month without a head. It takes 15 times as much radiation to kill a cockroach as it does to kill a human. They're here to stay, so we might as well learn about them.
A delightful new book, An Illustrated Guide to Cockroaches, does its part to demystify our household companion. Here are a few pages from the book as a preview. Look and learn.
For more bug news, tune in to Science Friday this week, where we'll be talking about a more beloved crawler, Charlotte the spider, and her creator E. B. White.


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It is different way of practicing as compared to other yoga forms. One can practice yoga without any limitations. Many yogis can find it odd to practice but the motivation behind the naked yoga is to accept your body with imperfection. Nude yoga should not be taken in the negative way; it is not any practice that is meant for voyeurs. A person shouldbear in mind the disciplines of yoga while practicing nude yoga.
A person should have the main perspective of naked yoga rather than thinking it as a lewd. Doing yoga without clothes doesn't mean it is a vulgar practice but it is a challenge for individual to look the physical personality without outer cover-up to open one's mind and heart deprived of any adverse feeling.
Benefits of Nude Yoga: You can find psychological benefits more than physical benefits in nude yoga.
- It helps to enhance the self-confidence.
- One can learn to accept the body with imperfection.
- It can transform and openone's heart.
Before performing nude yoga, you should keep following things in mind-
- To know about yoga seriously and follow its discipline
- To achieve sense of openness
- Get rid of discomfort and self-consciousness
- Don't be conscious while shedding clothes as it is a nude yoga class
- Don't laugh or stare at other yogis or yoginis
- Concentrate on stretching, breathing and meditation as you do in other types of yoga
- Don't hesitate to perform any pose
- Don't hesitate to interrogate with your instructor
- Use your towel and mat for practicing yoga


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`Look at her, she is the image of our beautiful Italy.' Corinne, or Italy (1807) is both the story of a love affair between Oswald, Lord Nelvil and a beautiful poetess, and an homage to the landscape, literature and art of Italy. On arriving in Italy, Oswald immediately falls under Corinne's magical spell as she is crowned a national genius at the Captitol. Yet, on returning to England, he succumbs to convention and honours his late father's wish by marrying the dutiful English girl, Lucile, despite having learned that Corinne is Lucile's Italian half-sister. Corinne dies of a broken heart and Lord Nelvil is left with a seared
conscience. Staël weaves discreet French Revolutionary political allusion and allegory into her romance, and its publication saw her order of exile renewed by Napoleon. Indeed, the novel stands as the birth of modern nationalism, and introduces to French usage the word `nationalitié'. It is also one of the first works to put a woman's creativity centre stage. Sylvia Raphael's new translation preserves the natural character of the French original and the edition is complemented by notes and and introduction which serve to set an extraordinary work of European Romanticism in its historical and political contexts. ABOUT THE SERIES: For over 100 years
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Madame de Staël
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