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U.S. Supreme Court
Ginsburg: Court should have avoided broad-based decision in Roe v. Wade
By Allen Pusey
May 13, 2013, 02:20 pm CDT
By Marc on 2013 05 13, 3:47 pm CDT
Q: Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid for abortions for poor women?
JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae -- in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn't really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 13, 4:20 pm CDT
By Marc on 2013 05 13, 4:23 pm CDT
By Marc on 2013 05 13, 4:39 pm CDT
Roe has enough vulnerabilities. You don't need to distort fact and attack Ginsburg to point out its weaknesses. Act like a lawyer for once.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 13, 4:43 pm CDT
By Yankee on 2013 05 13, 4:50 pm CDT
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 13, 5:02 pm CDT
Maybe because some of us value human life. A women can do whatever she wants with her body but the murder of a living being has nothing to do with the right to privacy.
I guess the only benefit to abortion is that it decreases the surplus population of future liberals.
By tim17 on 2013 05 13, 6:27 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 13, 6:40 pm CDT
@1,3, and 4 - Speculation, but "those people" probably refers to people who do not want children themselves, as evidenced by their obtaining an abortion. If you look at the complete quote...ah, forget it.
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 13, 6:40 pm CDT
It's unfair to paint everyone who is pro-choice as not valuing human life. Broad generalizations and crude swipes don't get us anywhere on this issue. If you ignore the genuine issues about "when does life begin" and "when does a ball of cells become a 'human life'" just to make snide comments, you aren't advancing your cause. You just mark yourself as a pundit that people will realize they should ignore because you aren't going to make a genuine effort to engage in critical examination of the topic. You just want your way, and generalizations and snappy language might be fun, but it won't help you achieve any goal.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 13, 6:46 pm CDT
By Marc on 2013 05 13, 8:23 pm CDT
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 13, 8:28 pm CDT
Wow, Marc, I am appalled that you would support such a notion!
(See how selective quoting works)
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 13, 8:28 pm CDT
"Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations of [people who do not want children themselves, as evidenced by their obtaining an abortion].
Gee, that doesn't make any sense.
What Ginsburg said is quite clear - she thought that Roe v. Wade was to keep the population down, especially the growth of the population of the type of people we don't want too many of.
By Marc on 2013 05 13, 8:32 pm CDT
I suppose you also agree with Margaret when she said: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Were none of them "fit to be parents"?
By Marc on 2013 05 13, 8:34 pm CDT
By Anonymous on 2013 05 13, 8:36 pm CDT
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 13, 8:44 pm CDT
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 13, 8:47 pm CDT
By Yankee on 2013 05 13, 9:16 pm CDT
By Fr. Mike on 2013 05 13, 9:23 pm CDT
Marc: "Frankly I ... [am] ... concern[ed] about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."
By Mark on 2013 05 13, 10:03 pm CDT
But where did Margaret Sanger wrote the bar, Marc?
By Doodle Dandy on 2013 05 14, 1:40 am CDT
By Jim from Ohio on 2013 05 14, 3:39 am CDT
By BMF on 2013 05 14, 4:08 am CDT
By MS on 2013 05 14, 6:01 am CDT
(Re: Sanger - Lincoln made many statements indicating that he considered the black race clearly inferior to the white one. Do we dismiss his contributions to keeping the country together and abolishing slavery because he would be considered a racist by modern standards? Not comparing Sanger to Lincoln obviously, just making the point that each was the product of their times.)
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 14, 1:27 pm CDT
This is a site for attorneys. Obviously you are not one. You should move on to political forums.
By William Able on 2013 05 17, 9:53 am CDT
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 11:15 am CDT
By gdp on 2013 05 17, 11:30 am CDT
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 1:10 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 1:20 pm CDT
By Saffer on 2013 05 17, 1:20 pm CDT
I would only modify your reasoning to say "Assuming, arguendo, that life begins at conception..."
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 1:23 pm CDT
Actually, life on earth began about 3.5 billion years ago and has not stopped since. Conception is not life emerging from nonlife, but rather two live cells merging into one, as I'm sure you remember from 7th grade health class.
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 17, 1:23 pm CDT
By muggers on 2013 05 17, 1:32 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 1:32 pm CDT
EsqinAustin $32: Nonsense, I was not putting forth a "logic," but citing a bad case that calls into question what our assumptions are about the subject of abortion. Your quip incorrectly assumes that abortion is legitimate medical practice. Historically, that is just not so.
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 1:40 pm CDT
Having an activist judge in the Supreme Court is like having a wolf guarding the sheep, regardless of the political flavor of the activism. Any other caucasian judge would have been compared to Nazism for the quotation that she made (#1 and #2), in or out of context.
Any change in the law should have been made through political means.
By Patrick Mulrooney on 2013 05 17, 1:41 pm CDT
"Your quip incorrectly assumes that abortion is legitimate medical practice. Historically, that is just not so."
Historically, slavery, torture, women being sold in marriage, etc., are all fine and dandy. If you want to participate in modern society, find better reasoning than "but history says...". Otherwise, you will be rightfully ignored.
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 1:42 pm CDT
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 1:44 pm CDT
Also, what does slavery, torture and forced marriages have to do with what historical medical practices have been with respect to abortion? You seem to think that abortion is some advancement in human society. I am here saying that it is a turn toward barbarism. Again, how about dealing with that? Again.posturing is not good enough here.
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 1:51 pm CDT
By Confused on ethics on 2013 05 17, 1:51 pm CDT
""but citing a bad case that calls into question what our assumptions are about the subject of abortion."
No, you were referencing the "realities of abortion", to which I was responding. Whatever "logic" you pretend to have in concluding anything about the "realities of abortion" is deeply flawed, it would appear.
"You seem to think that abortion is some advancement in human society."
Yes, I do. And?
" I am here saying that it is a turn toward barbarism."
And I would argue your position is barbarism.
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 1:54 pm CDT
Those who disagree, well, I don't think there is any rational purpose in continuing that argument since it will lead nowhere.
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 1:55 pm CDT
While we can pooh-pooh from our vantage point in 2013 the Sangers, birth control notions of the "less fit," encouragement of a population of the "more fit," the political incorrectness of it all doesn't change reality. Is the eventual "quality" of a human being a factor, ever? Should the factor of genetically compromise ever be a consideration in producing issue or is everyone entitled to produce at will without regard to any consequences?
I submit these issues can never be meaningfully addressed in our current political climate.
By porkut on 2013 05 17, 1:57 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 1:58 pm CDT
@46 - I agree -- you will never be able to have a meaningful discussion about those issues. I don't know how much they really touch abortion, though. Your post reminds me of an old ethics problem we did in a seminar once, where you have three candidates who need a transplant and only one organ. It's very, very uncomfortable to try to judge another human being's "worth." And yet the practical reality -- at least in that problem -- was that it was part of the calculus. Or I should say, it *could* have been. I think some groups decided just to pick a recipient randomly.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 2:13 pm CDT
By Confused on ethics on 2013 05 17, 2:24 pm CDT
By MS on 2013 05 17, 2:29 pm CDT
I suppose I'll catch all kinds of flack for this, but I honestly don't understand how that sentiment could be offensive to any rational person. As long as such decisions are being voluntarily made by adult individuals -- forced gov't sterilization/abortion would obviously be unconstitutional not to mention morally repugnant -- it is surely a net benefit to the greater good of humankind and the long-term survival of the species. "Survival of the fittest" is not an ideology or political slogan, it is a fact of life, like the sun rising in the east. Nevertheless, I guess the Sanger-haters can take solace in the fact that birth control proved to work out just the opposite: it is the "fittest" -- smartest, wealthiest, most successful -- whose birth rates have droppped significantly over the past 40 years, while the poorest, dumbest, least successful people just keep having babies. (Thanks, LBJ's Great Society!)
In any event, in hindsight Ginsberg is absolutely right, it would have been far better to rule on narrower grounds and let such issues continue to percolate through politics, evolving societal mores, geographic and cultural differences, medical advances, etc., than to invent out of whole cloth a constitutional "privacy right" to abortion.
By Just Some Bloke on 2013 05 17, 2:46 pm CDT
Anonymous @48: We do respectfully disagree on our premises. What you call stripping away rights, I call correcting the law from the mistake of giving a license to kill a yet to be born baby.
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 3:07 pm CDT
I think of the law as not having given a license to kill anything -- but as removing the government's ability to make a highly personal decision on an issue where no side can every be objectively proven right.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 3:11 pm CDT
Nor have you dealt with what I have written.
"Abortion is the killing of a yet to be born baby; it is barbaric." " Having as constitutional law abortion on demand is insanity and relfecting a deterioration in society."
Yes, I understand that is your opinion, and I suspect I know the basis for your opinion. However, at this point you are simply putting forth a logical fallacy and circular reasoning, essentially arguing that something is wrong because it is wrong.
Regardless, I utterly disagree with your opinion. Given that to continue would be to go in circles, further debate could serve no further purpose.
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 3:13 pm CDT
By Martin Olesh on 2013 05 17, 3:21 pm CDT
By jlwright1 on 2013 05 17, 3:26 pm CDT
Anonymous @ 53: First of all, you cannot say that the Government should not do something if there is disagreement on the subject; you would effectively stop Government from doing anything. Secondly, you are assuming that abortion is a "personal decision." It is not; there is another life involved, and the Government has an obligation to preotect innocent lives.
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 3:33 pm CDT
No pro choice person has ever said that an abortion is a good thing in itself. However, many who favor legal abortions are with @56 - to compel a woman to carry a pregnancy to term against her will is unjustifiable.
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 17, 3:38 pm CDT
Just as a thought experiment, would the right to abortion then be eliminated when technology could sustain the baby's life outside the womb from the beginning of its "life" (or "development" if "life" is too contentious a word) inside the womb?
I never framed the issue in the way you present it: i.e., that those of us on the outside don't have the right to take over other people's bodies. That's what aliens do on Doctor Who pretty much every episode. Since those on the outside the womb don't have that right, then those inside shouldn't either. Did I get that right?
But isn't there a case to be made that the weakest (poorest, most helpless...) deserve more legal protections, precisely because of their weakness and vulnerability.
Personally, I think your reasoning is insane, because obviously pregnancy is different from the hostile bodily takeovers by non-foetuses, outside the womb, unless they're aliens, of course, in which case we have bigger problems than sorting out the regulation of abortion. Roe is a hard case to defend, however, so I'm not trying to be obnoxious here.
By muggers on 2013 05 17, 3:41 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 3:50 pm CDT
No, the tragedy of, not the right to, abortion would be eliminated if technology could sustain the baby's life outside the womb from conception. Women could choose to terminate their pregnancies, and the babies could live. That would be wonderful (although probably very expensive - another fight for another day).
I am guessing (could be wrong) from your statement that you find my reasoning insane, that you have never been pregnant. Most women with whom I share stories of our pregnancies make some reference to the movie "Aliens" at some point.
I am all for protecting the weak, but not at the expense of the personhood of women. You do realize that, after a baby is born, the law cannot require so much as the donation of a pint of blood from its parents, even if necessary to save its life. Any thoughts as to why the weak are only to receive extraordinary protections in situations when it must come only at the expense of the mother's rights, not in any other situation?
By jlwright1 on 2013 05 17, 3:55 pm CDT
what is so insane about that? I think could perfectly sane people agree with that statement.
By Joe on 2013 05 17, 3:55 pm CDT
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 3:56 pm CDT
By CT Lawyer on 2013 05 17, 3:57 pm CDT
No one is arguing in favor of a woman's control of her own body.
Pregnancy is not an affliction that materializes out of thin air. A woman has (in the vast majority of cases) the option to use a contraceptive when she has sex. She knows that not using a contraceptive may result in pregnancy. Her "autonomy" is then limited to her own body, not the other body within her.
This is not difficult to understand. If people want to be tretaed as adults, act like one.
One day, civilized people will look back at this time and wonder how anyone could be this barbaric to condone and even encourage abortion.
By Marc on 2013 05 17, 4:00 pm CDT
Even Billy Graham previously took this position -- because it is Biblically based. Do a little Bible research on the breath of life. Gen 2:7 "And God ... breathed the breath of life into his nostrils and man became a living being." Folks, the one-celled human zygote does not have nostrils.
There are many more supporting Biblical references that distinquish the beginning of human life from conception -- and treat death of a fetus much less severely than murder. This comment thread has spent a lot of time on taking things out of context and distortions. That's what the Pro-lifers have done with this issue. The Bible doesn't fit onto their bumper sticker.
By Breath of Life on 2013 05 17, 4:04 pm CDT
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 4:15 pm CDT
But law must be based on *more than* naked morality -- it should have an objective, rational component to. In fact, it HAS to. See Lawrence, Romer.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 4:20 pm CDT
The "insane" part of the reasoning is to base the argument on the premise that the rights and duties of an intra-uterine entity should be the same as those of an extra-uterine one. I wouldn't want to argue that in court, even before Justice Brennan and co. As for not knowing about pregnancy, you're right: i have never been pregnant. I've lived with someone who has been (and, incidentally, currently is) pregnant. I have some insight into the condition, albeit limited second-hand insight). I have also never been a senior citizen, a physically or mentally (debatable) disadvantaged person, a taxi driver, a native American, or undocumented immigrant, but that doesn't stop me from thinking about their issues and representing their rights under the law.
By muggers on 2013 05 17, 4:51 pm CDT
Interestingly, while I'm no biblical scholar, I think this is roughly in line with traditional (not contemporary American, obviously) religious views, e.g. the "breath of life" or what also used to be known as "the quickening" -- when the baby starts to move, when, it was believed, the spirit or soul or consciousness first came into what was previously just an empty physical vessel. I know this is not exactly the same as viability outside the womb, but the point is, even deeply religious people have always realized that a one-inch, three-month old fetus was NOT the same as a person.
Along these lines -- and maybe someone like Phil Byer above can address this from a religious perspective -- I've never understood the religious outrage over abortion, because if you truly believe in God, Heaven, an eternal spirit, the whole nine yards, what does it really matter? If the spirit/soul hasn't come into the baby yet, then it's just cell matter, hardly "murder." If it has, then the entirely-innocent baby spirit will get to go to heaven right away anyway, right?
By Just Some Bloke on 2013 05 17, 5:05 pm CDT
Also, what makes you think that the moral views expressed in the majority opinions in Lawrence and Romer were and are "objective and rational"? Lawrence and Romer are in fact instances of judicial imperialism expressing a contemporary elitist moral view at odds with traditional Judean-Christian morality informing the actions of the People or the People's representatives.
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 5:07 pm CDT
No, no there is not. Our entire system is premised upon EQUAL rights under law.
By Just Some Bloke on 2013 05 17, 5:11 pm CDT
The law has historically been considered a delayed and studied refection of society. Going forward, that approach may be more of a luxury for a functioning society - with greater need of broad, visionary thought which at the same time faces the challenge of not just having one view controlling the position and actions of another.
By Christopher Patterson on 2013 05 17, 5:16 pm CDT
By muggers on 2013 05 17, 5:17 pm CDT
And you are right about Romer and Lawrence. Thankfully so. Because this is not a theocracy, unless and until the Constitution is revised. Our Constitution prohibits the majority from doing certain things or acting for certain reasons. Again, thankfully. You can throw around words like "imperial" and "elitist" all you want, but it's empty rhetoric. You'd have to apply the same things to Loving v. Virginia and even Brown v. Board of Education. You may not like the outcome -- the majority of people may not like the outcome -- but that does not make it Constitutionally wrong. (And frankly, in this case, it probably means it wasn't!)
I appreciate the discussion, but I believe we should leave it here, probably. I don't *like* abortions, no one does. But I also don't believe the government should be powerful enough to restrict a woman's right to determine whether or not she will carry a pregnancy to term -- at least past a certain point. (Though where that point is is a subject of debate for another time.)
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 5:23 pm CDT
Dear Justice Ginsburg: Attendence estimates for the most recent "annual parade" are approximately 650,000 marchers. This is a serious, sustained, peaceful excercise of free speech rights that has been occuring for almost 4 decades. By defining this activity as a parade, Justice Ginsburg, you dismiss the deeply held concerns of your fellow citizens and seek to marginalize and trivialize the activities of the participants. How disappointing.
By Patatty on 2013 05 17, 5:25 pm CDT
Your right. Why should a woman complain about rape. It's not like it implicates her soul, bruises heal and if she's killed in the process, her soul gets to heaven right away.
You see how stupid this sounds in a different context?
By CT Lawyer on 2013 05 17, 5:29 pm CDT
I doubt Ginsberg would begrudge you in the slightest your First Amendment right to show that you disagree.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 5:31 pm CDT
The March for life is the largest protest by women -- by far-- in the history of the country.
By muggers on 2013 05 17, 5:37 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 5:38 pm CDT
By Andrew on 2013 05 17, 5:40 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 5:41 pm CDT
I just sort of wish they'd use all those resources to help new mothers and to assist with the costs of childbearing. They'd prevent a lot more abortions that way than by ranting against something that isn't going to change.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 5:44 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 5:45 pm CDT
Anyway, I bet it's the largest because 500k come every year and a lot of them are women. They've been doing it for 40 years.
Seriously, I can't think of anything that comes close to it, purely from a numerical perspective. Even the abolitionists couldn't turn out those numbers. And on the worst day of the year, weather-wise.
By muggers on 2013 05 17, 5:48 pm CDT
I don't see how those wearing black robes are any more qualified to decide those issues than are those wearing white collars.
Roe undermined the court's legitimacy because it showed that the court was answering the question that it wasn't qualified to answer, and answering it in a way that was contrary to the choice of the people as reflected in the people's laws. Rather than being pro-constituion and anti-majoritarian, the court became anti-majorairtan and pro-choice.
By LexLoci on 2013 05 17, 5:49 pm CDT
Roe could have been reasoned better, but for many of us, it enhanced the Court's legitimacy by showing that it would sacrifice individual rights to popular moral condemnation.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 5:51 pm CDT
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 5:52 pm CDT
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 5:56 pm CDT
The March for Women's Lives was a demonstration for reproductive rights and women's rights, held April 25, 2004 on the National Mall in Washington, D.C.. March organizers estimated that 1.15 million people participated, declaring it "the largest protest in U.S. history";[1] others estimated no more than 800,000 marchers,[2] with the Associated Press and the BBC putting the figure between 500,000 and 800,000, comparable to the Million Man March of 1995.[3] (The National Park Service no longer makes official estimates of attendance after the Million Man March controversy in 1994, so estimates are unofficial and may be speculative.)
By muggers on 2013 05 17, 5:58 pm CDT
By EsqinAustin on 2013 05 17, 6:00 pm CDT
Thanks for following up with me. I appreciate the chance to elaborate. What are your thoughts on @55?
By Patatty on 2013 05 17, 6:01 pm CDT
To respond, I think the court's function is to be the supermajoritarian branch. The Constitution reflects the will of the super-majority. Congress and state legislatures reflect the will of the majority. Naturally, the will of the more outweigh the will of the less.
My point is simply that on the issue of abortion the Court found a will of the super-majority -- the constitutional will to protect the choice of abortion -- that wasn't there. When supermajoritarian voice can not be heard, the court should stood silent and leave the matter to the majority. But instead of that, the court finagled the Constitution and chose a side in cultural debate. Judges dressed in black robes, with all the authority that commands, decided a question for men in white collars, a question for women, a question for atheists, a question for fathers...a question that still remains open.
By LexLoci on 2013 05 17, 6:03 pm CDT
Also, they absolutely love to use the phrase "don't impose your morals on me" when they in turn do that very thing when it comes to creating news sets of rights, especially at the expense of traditional ones grounded in the Constitution. The bottom line is that if you say a fetus is worthy of Constitutional protections, you are making a value statement. We can disagree, but you have no right to invoke the federal government (ie USSC) to make your value statement the law of the land, unless it's grounded in the Constitution. If you want to rely on the 9th Amendment, that's fine, but show me where it's rooted in the long-standing history and traditions of the American republic to permit abortion on demand. You can't, so you turn to BS that Ginsburg was referring to. What she is saying is that there should have been a dialogue, but the Court's intervention in Roe stymied it. In my estimation, it undermined the Court's legitimacy.
By CT Lawyer on 2013 05 17, 6:08 pm CDT
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 6:10 pm CDT
One, it's a hard thing to do.
Two, the supermajority to prohibit abortion doesn't exist.
What hurts the court's legitimacy is implying, actually holding, that a pro-choice supermajority did exist at the time of Roe, at the time of the Bill of Rights, or at any other time.
But rather than require the pro-choice people do the hard thing and convince a supermajority for a Constitutional amendment, the Court finessed the Constitution.
Note: I'm not claiming that abortion is constitutionally proscribed. Rather, I'm claiming constitutional agnosticism. Convince your state legislator to on the merits/demerits of the issue.
By LexLoci on 2013 05 17, 6:19 pm CDT
Our point is that the law -- which remember, is what we're trying to discuss here -- generally does not require one person to assist another, even if that lack of assistant will certainly result in the other's death. Try this example. Person X lives on his property on the edge of a desert and has an ample food & water supply. Person Y staggers to the edge of X's property, says he's just crossed the desert and desperately needs food & water, then collapses. While "morally," perhaps X "should" give Y some water & food, and while most people voluntarily would (unless, say, it would diminish their supplies to the point of endangering themselves), there would be no legal obligation for X to help Y. The gov't will not come in and prosecute X for declining to sustain Y -- just like the majority of Americans do not believe that the gov't should come in and prosecute a pregnant woman for deciding not to sustain an unwanted fetus. In other words, as I tried to answer your question @ 72, no, the fact that Y is vulnerable and weak does NOT give him any additional legal rights nor impose on X any additional legal obligations. Get it?
CT Lawyer @ 77: with all due respect, no, I don't see that. What I see is someone trying to change the subject to a completely distinguishable scenario because he/she doesn't have a good answer. Look, I was just honestly asking for an explanation of motivation by the religious objectors to abortion. Not everyone who supports a government ban on women being allowed to choose an abortion is religious, of course, nor does everyone who is religious support banning abortion, but the most radical and vocal proponents of gov't banning abortion seem to be the so-called "religious right." It's just always struck me as odd that a supposedly spiritual group would be so particularly incensed about abortion, for the reasons I (tried to) set forth @ 70. Please re-read my second paragraph there, and if you actually have any insight to offer, I'd appreciate hearing it.
P.S. It's not only, or even primarily, the religious who object to rape. I think (hope!!) pretty much everyone (at least in the U.S.; probably different rules in, say, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia) agrees that the gov't should ban rape. What I was commenting on was the apparent disconnect between the spiritual and political positions of the religious right on banning abortion, and asking whether that position wasn't in conflict with past religious stances. And also, just by the way, rape seems like a particularly poor choice of attempted analogy on your part, given that many self-proclaimed Christians who support banning abortion would extend that ban even to situations in which the woman became pregnant from being raped -- basically, that she should be punished for the rapist's crime.
By Just Some Bloke on 2013 05 17, 6:30 pm CDT
To assign the rights/duties of the "born" to the "unborn" is... what's the word I'm looking for... flawed. Under the law, minors and the incompetent are given proxies --guardians ad litem, next friend, conservators, powers of attorney-- to protect their interests. So it is not--at least in theory-- unfair for the law to treat them the same as it treats everyone else. Being unborn is not the same as being born, however. The unborn don't have any proxies to act on their behalf. I guess the guy dying of thirst is in a difficult position, but I bet the judge would be lenient and probably give the property owner an earful for being such a schmuck.
Also, it was not me that introduced the "bodily invasion" argument. That was Jlwright @ 56: "The fetus, just like all of us who have already been born, isn't entittled [sic] to make use of someone else's body to stay alive without that other person's consent."
To apply rights/duties of those who "have already been born" to use Jlwright's phrase, is nuts.
By muggers on 2013 05 17, 7:03 pm CDT
I am truly curious. Why is it nuts? I think that it is fine to use that kind of characterization if everyone you are talking to agrees with you - e.g., "To say that that earth is flat is just nuts." However, if those you are talking to don't agree, then it is reasonable for them to ask for more logical explanation of how you reached that conclusion.
I had rather assumed that virtually everyone would find an argument that claimed that fetuses should have MORE rights than those who have been born to be "nuts", I thought that I was making an outlier argument - that fetuses should have the same rights as people who have been born - that would be attacked from the other side - that people would reject my proposition that we give fetuses equal rights of personhood because they believe that fetuses should have fewer rights than those who have been born. Your response to that argument appears to be "Of course, fetuses should have more rights than other persons. To argue otherwise is nuts."
Am I understanding you correctly? If so, can you unpack why it is nuts to give to fetuses only the rights of persons under the law, and not more rights than other persons are entitled to? It doesn't go without saying, so could you please say more?
By jlwright1 on 2013 05 17, 7:18 pm CDT
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 7:29 pm CDT
@98 With respect, Muggers, the invective you continue to hurl here defies logic. Regarding the violent protests of so-called "pro-lifers" at their annual parade, well, let's just say your ignorance astounds me. The very people you speak of are annually engaged in violence against women and their real aim is to generate funds to line their own pockets at the expense of women around the globe.
I, for one, am pleased at the progress we've achieved in this country. However, I also believe that we should continue to advance the cause until children have no rights unless they are fit members of society. The number of women whose lives are brought down into the mud because they are bankrupted by being forced to bear and rear children is staggering and must be stopped.
By Brick on 2013 05 17, 7:43 pm CDT
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 7:58 pm CDT
If a woman is pregnant whether or not she goes to term is not my business, and not because I am in the minority of our species which has not been provided with a uterus. If I had one it would still not be my business unless I were the one whose uterus was in use. And that is the long and the short of it.
Having said which: being genuinely pro-choice means what it says; no woman forced into childbirth because abortion is unavailable - or into abortion because childbirth and child-rearing are not properly supported.
Gentlemen: we can't do it for them. So let's do what we can. Make ourselves useful at home. Stand up on public transportation. Offer help (discreetly) at work if there are heavy files or boxes to be moved.
Pregnant women: if a man does that please don't treat him as being patronising. You might put him off doing it again.
By Andrew on 2013 05 17, 7:59 pm CDT
Courts do sometimes strike down democratically-adopted laws when those laws impermissibly overreach into the business of others or otherwise invoke a power that the government lacks.
Yes, we are being hyperbolic when we talk about moving to a theocracy. And yet, my honest feeling is that it isn't hyperbolic by all that much. I don't think it's a "lie of the political Left." I think there are a number of people in the absolute middle who still recognize that a substantial refrain of the right wing is to conform our laws with their idiosyncratic interpretation of one religion. (And, moreover, when you get right down to it, it isn't even anything you can find in their religion's text!)
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 8:04 pm CDT
As to your analysis of "choice," you don't take this nearly far enough (and after seeing your bitter cling to the old socio/religious chilvaric order, I can understand why). Women should also be permitted to terminate AFTER birth. A child cannot survive without the support of SOMEONE, and that "someone" is presumed to be the mother of the child. Children cannot raise themselves. It is the ONLY logical position that until a person is fully capable of sustaining their own lives without the support of others, their lives should be terminable. I'm sure this offends your obviously Christian/papist non-sensibilities, but we can no longer go on as a society with this inbred, raised-by-wolves way of thinking.
By Brick on 2013 05 17, 8:22 pm CDT
Please take his suggestion as charitably as it was meant and don't react with such hostility. Altruism demands that we give up our seat to any who need it worse than we do -- pregnant women are simply a great example of such a typical person.
As a former gender studies instructor -- what you've discussed there is not feminism.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 8:27 pm CDT
Abortions in the U.S. in 2007 -- 1,210 (one thousand two hundred and ten)
"In 2011, Extreme poverty in the United States, meaning households living on less than $2 per day before government benefits, was double 1996 levels at 1.5 million households, including 2.8 million children." National Poverty Center February 2012 This would be roughly 1.2% of the US population in 2011, presuming a mean household size of 2.55 people."
In 2013, child poverty reached record high levels, with 16.7 million children living in food insecure households, about 35% more than 2007 levels.[4] The number of people in the U.S. who are in poverty is approaching 1960s levels that led to the national War on Poverty.[5]" excerpted from Wikipedia article "Poverty in the U.S."
My purpose: the same tired old arguments I've seen from both sides on this issue have not changed in 40 years. The above issues are the real ones that must be addressed. Plenty of babies get born, millions more than are aborted. However, we cannot seem to take care of the children that are born every year. Doesn't the baby out of the womb and in poverty deserve as much, if not more, consideration and support than the one still in the womb?
By Boudicia on 2013 05 17, 8:44 pm CDT
Were you a "former gender studies instructor" at an evangelical bible college? Because I have no idea where you're coming from otherwise. Your brand of "feminism" wouldn't fly where I went to school.
By Brick on 2013 05 17, 8:44 pm CDT
"We cannot seem to take care of the children that are born every year. Doesn't the baby out of the womb and in poverty deserve as much, if not more, consideration and support than the one still in the womb?"
How does that follow? What exactly is the difference between a child inside the womb and a child outside of the womb? That's the big question. I will agree with the anti-choice crowd insofar as I do not believe there is a rational distinction between a "fetus" inside the womb and a "baby" outside the womb. The burden to the mother and/or society is no different, either way, and that's really what this is about - the rights of women. If you are for aborting a "baby" (as you call it) inside the womb for the sake of reducing poverty, please, to avoid further intellectual embarrassment, take the next logical step.
By Brick on 2013 05 17, 8:55 pm CDT
Houston doctor Douglas Karpen is accused by four former employees of delivering live fetuses during third-trimester abortions and killing them by either snipping their spinal cord, stabbing a surgical instrument into their heads or 'twisting their heads off their necks with his own bare hands'.
'Sometimes he couldn't get the fetus out... he would yank pieces – piece by piece – when they were oversize,' Edge explained.
'And I'm talking about the whole floor dirty. I'm talking about me drenched in blood.'
By Marc on 2013 05 17, 8:57 pm CDT
By Marc on 2013 05 17, 8:59 pm CDT
This isn't the face that feminism has to wear, and it isn't feminism's real face. It's a shallow understanding that is reactionary and spiteful. You don't empower women by attacking men for displays of kindness. You can't empower women by adopting the tactics of hegemonic patriarchy.
And you know what? Even if it did show gender bias, I would be ok with it in this instance. I'm willing to be a little bit sexist and give a pregnant woman the opportunity to take my seat. No, pregnancy isn't a disease, and no women aren't weak. But we celebrate pregnancy and life-giving, and part of that celebration is, for me, honoring them by giving up our seats to them. Both men and women should do so. So if you're going to fault Andrew, fault him for not pointing out that men AND women should do so. But don't viciously attack him for a simple error. You do yourself and feminism a terrible disservice by doing so.
I believe that the Golden Rule is not gendered. My sister is pregnant, and I would want anyone, male or female to make the rude assumption and offer her a seat whether she needed it or not. Therefore, I will do the same.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 9:01 pm CDT
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By Phil Byler on 2013 05 17, 9:12 pm CDT
Again, if you think it's that much against the will of the people, amend the Constitution. That's your right. And if you can't do it, maybe you don't have the groundswell of opinion that you seem to think you do.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 9:14 pm CDT
By Brick on 2013 05 17, 9:20 pm CDT
I have said nothing that isn't true regarding the abortion debate. Please, anyone, show me a flaw in my logic so far. Please, I'm begging you.
By Brick on 2013 05 17, 9:29 pm CDT
Feminism is about deconstructing caricatures. Not becoming one.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 9:56 pm CDT
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By Brick on 2013 05 17, 10:29 pm CDT
I probably share most of your political opinions, but I would never talk to people like dogs the way you do.
You have become what you are fighting against. I'm done here.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 17, 10:34 pm CDT
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By Lee Rawles on 2013 05 17, 10:48 pm CDT
It is not the Constitutional assignment of the Supreme Court to resolve controversial issues on which there is no clear legal consensus expressed within the borad terms of the Constitution. That is the job of Congress and legislatures, as an exercise in democratic self-government. Advocates are not unduly disadvantaged when they are required to persuade other people to agrtee with them, instead of using government power to ram a law down their throats without agreement.
The example usually cited of the need for social reformation by the Supreme Court is Brown v. Board of Education. But that was a straightforward application of the plain language of the 14th amendment, in which the Court was overturning the bad rulings it had made for over 50 years which had defied the requirement for equality under the law despite racial differences. Instead of renouncing the Court's precedents as a betrayal of the Constitution, the Court took the pose of an enlightened moral arbiter, and dictated its decision as if from God, rather than from the repentant sinner it was. The conclusion that racially separate schools were inherently unequal was rationalized by a sociological study of the lack of material equality in black schools. But when the Court initially adopted the motto "separate but equal", it was being dishonest. When one part of society gets to tell another part of society that it cannot attend a white school, ride in the front of a bus, or eat in a white restaurant, the promulgation of such segregation and discrimination is an exercise in inequality per se. Such practices should have been struck down, but the Court during the first half of the 20th Century was inhabited by several racists.
Just as the courage of black soldiers for the Union in the Civil war fueled the passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, the service of blacks and Japanese Americans and American Indians during World War II fueled the fight to achieve equality under the law that recognized the patriotic sacrifice of racial minorities.
By Raymond Takashi Swenson on 2013 05 18, 1:08 am CDT
Then he goes on to say, "It is not the Constitutional assignment of the Supreme Court to resolve controversial issues on which there is no clear legal consensus expressed within the [broad] terms of the Constitution."
Raymond, please note your contradiction and choose which path you want to Supreme Court to wander down. P.S. You can't choose both as you did in your recent post.
Do you believe, as I do, that women should be allowed to choose in "difficult circumstances" post-birth? It is only logical, yet I see many a limp wrist out there who champions abortion only up to a certain point even though "difficult circumstances" often occur postpartum. Am I the last logical mind on the forum?
By Brick on 2013 05 18, 3:55 am CDT
Social evolution is quite unlike other evolutionary processes. Suppose a humanoid walking through the East African Savannah millions of years ago came upon a Porsche 911 with the key in the ignition & the engine running. It would take millions of years of progress before she could actually use the car. Invention of the wheel. Internal combustion engine. Roads. etc, etc.
Congress passed the 13th Amendment in 1865 but the Court did get to Brown v Board of Education until 1954,
A great deal of EVOLUTION took place in the intervening years.
Americans value their right to be heard and legislators from Henry Hyde down heard the opponents of abortion. Unlike many other debates the abortion debate does not have a Pro Abortion side. I write this from a country which has taken positions on abortion & family planning that Americans would never accept. No one is for abortion, but the Court wanted legislatures to consider the rights of a woman over her own body. Almost a hundred years passed between the 13th Amendment and Brown. The clock on Roe has just started ticking
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By Roland Nicholson, Jr. on 2013 05 21, 4:32 pm CDT
Also, the Founding Fathers and the Civil War generation really would have understood the Brown v. Board of Education ruling if it were presented to them. Not so Roe v. Wade.
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 21, 8:25 pm CDT
You are incorrect as a matter of fact. Almost the exact same proportion of people favor legal abortions now as did 40 years ago.
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 21, 8:35 pm CDT
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 21, 8:39 pm CDT
(What do you use? A seance? A medium? Maybe you get better reception than I do. I find that it's easiest to contact them under the full moon, especially on Tuesdays. I also notice that when I've had a little to drink, they tend to always say that they agree with my political opinions too! I hope they aren't just both telling us what we want to hear...)
You know, on that subject, I also note that people tend to believe that "social evolution and progress" lead to their own opinion on how society should work. Yours does, mine does, his does. I mean, that's just definitionally true -- no one would call it progress if it didn't go towards his or her version of a perfect world.
Our definitions of a perfect world are just... different. And I don't think we have to insult each other or blame it on a lack of education. Two individuals with the same information who are equally reasonable and moral creatures can disagree on this issue. Nobody *likes* abortion. But I believe there are other, more effective ways of lowering abortion statistics than an outright ban. Historically, those bans A) have not stopped abortions from happening, B) have only caused them to happen unsafely, and C) have only stopped low income persons from obtaining them, because wealthy and middle class (at the time, usually white) women simply went abroad to have the procedure done safely. That's just historical fact. Faced with that, many of us -- and reasonably, I think -- want a position in the middle. And I think, over time, we've come close to that. But no one will ever agree on where it should be.
By Anonymous on 2013 05 21, 8:40 pm CDT
Anonymous @ 130: The difference between you and me is not our respective views of what constitutes a "perfect world." The difference is that you apparently believe in some kind of socialist utopia and I believe in the ancient tragic view of man, which means that I don't believe that man can ever achieve utopia -- just make things a little better or worse, that beneath the veneer of civilization, man can be a destructive beast, and that there are universal moral standards. Mankind's experience in the 20th century should have caused people to forget about attempting to construct a socialist utopia, seeing how Hitler's Gernam National Socialism, Stalin's Bolshevk Communist Socialism, Mao's peasant Chiese Communist Socialism, Pol Pot's genoicidal agrarian communism all resulted in mass murder. But the political Left has only doubled its efforts to make us ignorant and enslave us.
As for what the Founding Fathers believed and how they would react to present day issues given those beliefs, if you had a real ediucation, you would know yourself. My sincere wish for you is that you launch yourself into reading and understanding the Classics, reading and understanding all kinds of history but particularly American history, reading and understanding the writings of Washington, Jeffeson, Madison, Adams, JQ Admas, and Lincoln, reading and understanding political works such as the Federalist Papers and those by de Tocquevile and Burke, reading and nderstanding economic theory that includes Hayek and von Mises.
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 21, 9:18 pm CDT
I hereby invoke Godwin's Law based upon your invocation of Nazism. You lose.
@Nole -- Do we add this guy to the "do not feed the trolls" pact?
By Anonymous on 2013 05 21, 9:26 pm CDT
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By Phil Byler on 2013 05 21, 9:55 pm CDT
By Anonymous on 2013 05 21, 10:07 pm CDT
Anonymous, if you were as educated as me, your posts would reflect it. They don't.
Finally, this is an American Bar Association site. That you and NoleLaw would try to consider me a troll is hysterically funny. You two just can't deal intellectually with reasoned conservatism. To my reasoned and learned posts, you cry false and biased, but then have no substance to back you up. But in a sense, I am not surprised. Members of the the political Left have to insulate themselves from the truth and from reason.
By Phil Byler on 2013 05 21, 10:10 pm CDT
By Anonymous on 2013 05 21, 10:14 pm CDT
Pacta sunt servanda.
By NoleLaw on 2013 05 21, 10:41 pm CDT
Your statement above seems to ignores Obamacare (and the new taxes to pay for it), the US as largest shareholder of GM, Wall Street bail outs (federal backing), monetary easing (courtesy of the US taxpayer and savers), the federal deficit (ditto).
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Now they continue their journey alone down the great River Anduin; alone, that is, save for the mysterious creeping figure that follows wherever they go.
Since it was first published in 1954, The Lord of the Rings has been a book people have treasured. Steeped in unrivalled magic and otherworldliness, its sweeping fantasy has touched the hearts of young and old alike. Nearly 100 million copies of its many editions have been sold around the world, and occasional collector's editions become prized and valuable items of publishing. Now it is available for the first time on digital download, complete and unabridged.
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I appreciate the convenience of audiobooks and the many advantages (mostly that you can continue reading while doing other activities) and in the case of Lord of the Rings in particular having a suitable narrator such as Rob Inglis brings things like the songs alive, but in the end nothing beats a real book.
Faramir living up to his name and history by being one of the only beings in all Middle Earth able to resist the call of the Ring. Other than that this feels like a space saver between the real action in the book. Frodo and Sam seems to be pulled, pushed, led and tricked one way and another without ever making any progress, and Aragorn's group seem the same.
He really brings the songs alive, and the portions spoken in Elvish or Entish etc. His voice and accent are absolutely suited to the style of writing so it draws you in quickly even if you're not familiar with Middle Earth.
... stick with us, the next one will be better, honest.
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The banterinig between Sam and Gollum when Sam is cooking the rabbits is hilarious and Rob Ingliss as Gollum was brilliant.
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This hall part is mostly about Sam and Frodo road toward Mordor from when the fellowship fails till they get to Gondore. The perils that is met whit Hobbit currige and Sam's constant drive.
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This next stage of the journey is just as exciting as any other I have enjoyed. This is a must for anyone following Frodo and Sam into the dark lands!! I can't wait for my next installment!!
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While it is drawn out towards the start, Sam and Frodo's half of the story really gets interesting towards the latter half of the book!
love it each and every time. Well worth listening to the words of a great story teller.
A classic, beautifully narrated and utterly gripping. listened to it many times before and will listen again. arguably better than actually reading the book!
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The Two Towers is darker and more exciting than The Fellowship of the Ring. Equally well written, it is part of a modern great.
It is all brilliant!
Rob Inglis' performance was great, as long as he didn't sing. The songs were a little painfully cringe inducing to me.
I always love this book.
I wish that I had never read it so that I could discover it all over again.
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very good story but definitely not worth splitting into two parts. Just another way to get money out of the Audible customers.
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Couldn't find the time to read the series & I decided to listen while running. Initially it feels slightly dated however I found myself griped after a while & found myself running more just to hear the stories through. Even the singing parts were ok albeit didn't add much to the story. I'd say if you like fantasy at all you have to read tolkeins work, or like me listen if you don't have the time.
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Haunting, beautiful, magical -a grand book that is unafraid of grand themes. This is the point in the trilogy where things get even darker, and the Fellowship diverges. It seems an impertinence to "review" this at all, and it is hard to find words that will say to someone "You must pick this book up!" and yet, that is the bottom line, here - this is one of those few books that you want everyone to read - a truly seminal piece of writing.
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Ohio has recently seen an exciting change thanks to their advanced nanotechnology and their array of beautiful South American butterflies. This may seem like a strange combination, but researchers have in actual fact been studying the butterflies wings – as well as rice leaves – and discovered many factors regarding their microscopic texture. You may ask how and why this affects you? Well, it is the texture of such beautiful wings as well as rice leaves that could go on to help advance a wide selection of products.
An example of the genius of this discovery is that researchers managed to wipe 85 percent of dust particles from a surface that mirrored the wing of a butterfly. This was a significant improvement when compared to that of a plain, flat surface where only a mere 70 per cent of dust could be wiped off. This might be due to the fact that a textured surface enhances the flow of fluid whilst preventing the likelihood of dirt building up, recently reported in journal 'Soft Matter' by Ohio State University.
These same fluid flow enhancing textures could be utilised in the development of high-tech surfaces such as those utilised for watercraft and aircraft or even items such as medical apparatus and pipelines. Howard D. Winbigler – Ohio State Professor and Mr Bharat Bhushan – Ohio Scholar stated that self-cleaning surfaces have frequently evolved from nature."For anything that may harbor bacteria, self-cleaning surfaces would play a vital role and be especially helpful in the inclusion of medical equipment. Whilst the reduced drag is very desirable for industry, for the transportation of matter, no matter whether you want to transport crude oil through pipelines or blood through nano-channels."
A optical profiler and electron microscope were utilised by student Gregory Bixler assisted by Bhushan to study the Blue Morpho butterfly's wings – otherwise known as Morpho Didius – as well as leaves belonging to Oriza Sativa, the rice plant. By casting replicas constructed of plastic from each (microscopic) textures, they were able to compare each of their abilities to a) repel water and b) repel dirt.
For those of you who are not familiar with the Blue Morpho butterfly, it is an iconic creature, habitual to South and Central America and renowned for it's beautiful shade of blue. Not only is the Blue Morpho prized for it's lustrous tone, but also for it's ability to shed any lingering water or dirt with a mere wave of its delicate wings. For a delicate butterfly trying to survive in the wild, remaining clean is of crucial importance as the addition of water or dirt on the butterfly's precious wings can make it incredibly difficult for the creature to fly. Also, the sex of a butterfly is determined by the pattern and colour of the wings, so in order to attract the opposite sex, it is vital that the butterfly's wings remain clean and bright for reproduction.
Results of the electron microscope concluded that the dainty wings belonging to that of the Blue Morpho are not as finely defined as they appear. In fact the wing's surface closely resembles that of a cladded roof, indicating that dirt and water can simply roll off. Whilst the rice leaves were said to have grooves to transport raindrops to the leaf stem. The researchers then went on to study precisely how the wings of a butterfly and rice leaves could exhibit components of other different surfaces, such as the scales of a fish, the skin of a shark and also non-textured surfaces.
One of the tests involved lining pipes with various coated textures and then pushing water through them. From doing this it was discovered that the texture of the shark skin helped to lower the pressure of water by 29 per cent in comparison to a plain, flat surface, whilst the rice leaf lowered the pressure by 26 per cent and lastly, the butterfly wing reduced it by 15 per cent.
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The ultimate goal of this research paper is to provide a simulation test for a microcontroller based system to be embedded into weaving machine for Monitoring and controlling the design operation. It will replace conventional mechanical methods as a forward step in embedded systems for industrial automation and mechatronics applications. The proposed embedded system aimed to read the design parameters entered by the designer using keypad, calculate the colors repeats insertions, generate the design in sequences of binary digits and apply the design on the machine with machine status consideration.


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Jeremiah Jones
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Jeremiah "Jerry" Alvin Jones (March 30, 1858 - November 23, 1950) was a Black Canadian soldier who served in World War I. He was apparently recommended for a Distinguished Conduct Medal but there is no record of his having received it. His treatment has been seen as an example of the lack of recognition accorded to Black Canadian soldiers. Campaigns to have him receive the medal posthumously eventually resulted in his being awarded the Canadian Forces Medallion for Distinguished Service on February 22, 2010.
Military service[edit]
Jones enlisted as a private with the 106th Battalion (Nova Scotia Rifles), CEF on June 19, 1916 in Truro, Nova Scotia. 716221 Private Jeremiah (Jerry) Jones served in France with The Royal Canadian Regiment. He joined the regiment in the field on 9 Feb 1917 and was evacuated (wounded) to England on 12 April 1917.
During the Battle of Vimy Ridge in World War I, Canadian troops were pinned down by German machine gun fire. Jones volunteered to attack a German gun emplacement. He managed to reach the machine gun nest, tossed a hand grenade and killed several soldiers. The remainder surrendered to him and Jones forced his captives to carry the machine gun back across the battlefield to the Canadian lines, where they were ordered to deposit it at his commanding officer's feet. For his heroics, Private Jones was reportedly recommended for a Distinguished Conduct Medal (DCM) which he was never awarded.
Jones was wounded in action at Vimy Ridge and again at the Battle of Passchendaele. He was discharged in Halifax on May 8, 1918 after being found medically unfit to serve.
Jones never actually received the DCM, although it was widely reported at the time that he was recommended for it by his commanding officer. Several veterans have since supported the claim that Jones was to be awarded the DCM, but no records have surfaced to prove that he ever received it.
Campaigns for recognition[edit]
Over the years, The Truro Daily News has published several articles highlighting Jones' heroics on the battlefield and his recommendation for the DCM. A letter from a Truro soldier based in Witley Camp, Surrey, England on July 29, 1917, that was published in the Truro Daily News,[1] quoted the writer as saying, Jones, "had captured a German machine gun, forced the crew to carry it back to our lines, and, depositing it at the feet of the CO. said;- 'Is this thing any good?'"
On September 21, 1917, Jones's sister Martha told The Truro Daily News[2] said that Jones "won the DCM by capturing a German machine gun and crew". The newspaper once again alluded to the medal recommendation, in an article on Jerry's 79th birthday. This time they reported "His valor won for him a recommendation for the DCM"
For most of his adult life, Senator Calvin Ruck lobbied to get the Canadian government to award a medal posthumously to Jerry Jones. Senator Ruck argued that the racist climate of the time precluded Jones or other black soldiers from getting their due recognition, and he felt that it would be appropriate for the government to award the medal to Jones on behalf of all black veterans. Senator Ruck died in 2004, without achieving success.
Posthumous recognition[edit]
On September 9, 2000, The Last Post Fund erected a new grave stone for Jones with full military honours. The Truro Millennium Committee, 125th Anniversary Committee and The Jones Family sponsored a tree carving of Jones as part of the Truro Tree Sculpture Project, in November 2000.
The Canadian Government finally recognized Jeremiah "Jerry" Jones, posthumously, on February 22, 2010, with the awarding of the Canadian Forces Medallion for Distinguished Service.[Trident 1] Rear Admiral Paul Maddison, Commander, Maritime Forces Atlantic/Joint Task Force Atlantic, said "Today, on behalf of General Walter Natynczyk, Chief of the Defence Staff, I feel extremely privileged to finally acknowledge the gallantry of private Jeremiah Jones on the hills of Vimy Ridge in 1917 during the first world war."
Jeremiah married Ethel Edna Geraldine Cook from Amherst, Nova Scotia on March 30, 1898. They remained married until her death on February 12, 1940. The couple had 9 children. Jeremiah's grandson was the well-known Nova Scotia activist Rocky Jones (from his son Elmer Alvin Jones).
- ^ Beaton, Virginia. "Recognition comes for a soldier of the Great War" (PDF). Trident Newspaper. Trident Publications. Retrieved 27 February 2011.
- Ruck, Calvin. Canada's Black Battalion: No. 2 Construction, 1916-1920 (ISBN 0-921201-00-1)
- Ruck, Calvin. The Black Battalion : 1916-1920 : Canada's best kept military secret (ISBN 0-920852-92-0)
- Freeman-Shaw, Haskings-Winner. Canadian Sources: Investigated-1914 to the Present (ISBN/ISSN 978-1-55239-225-6)
- Marble, Alan Everett. Nova Scotians at Home and Abroad. Lancelot Press 1977
- Library and Archives Canada, RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 4944 - 7 collectionscanada.gc.ca
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Durant tied a career-high with 47 points and pulled down a career-high 18 rebounds to lead his Oklahoma City Thunder to a 118-117 overtime win over the Wolves on Wednesday night at Target Center.
In the Thunder's 91-89 loss against the Hornets on Monday, Durant failed to score in the fourth quarter, missing all five of his shot attempts. Against the Wolves, Durant had 16 points in the fourth quarter, making six of nine shots. And the Thunder needed each one of them, as 12 of Durant's points in the final period of regulation either tied the game or put the Thunder up one in a thriller that saw 21 ties and 19 lead changes.
"Coming into this game, that's something I tried to put an emphasis ... trying to help my team in the fourth a little better and getting better shots," said Durant, whose point total matched L.A. Clippers forward Blake Griffin for an NBA season high while also marking the third time this season he has scored at least 40 points.
Durant began to heat up in the third quarter.
After scoring just 11 points on 3-for-9 shooting in the first half, Durant netted 16 points on 4-for-7 shooting in the third period. He scored in transition and on pull-ups. He got to the free throw line and got into a rhythm from the 3-point line. Durant scored 12 of the Thunder's final 14 points in the third quarter, helping to turn a four-point deficit into a four-point advantage going into the fourth quarter.
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Durant found success by reverting to an old style. Rather than spend the night putting the ball in Durant's hands and allowing him to initiate the offense — a strategy that has yet to yield many positive results — Thunder coach Scott Brooks reverted to running Durant off screens. And there wasn't a thing the Wolves could do about it, as only a few inches allowed Durant to catch and shoot with ease.Box score
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