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Hi Shawn:You stated that:Nearly 50 years of research has shown that campers out in the open or under a simple tarp are more than 3 times as likely to be attacked be grizzlies and more than twice as likely by black bears than campers in enclosed tents.I have heard simular sorts of statements, but whenever I have asked for more details I get a "well.. I didn't see the research, but John's friend Sam did. I have never been able to find someone who has actually seen this research. Reminded me a bit of a number of myths I have come across at one time or another.Can you point me to any good, hard for core research papers which have both the data and a description of the research methodology? I have looked for this sort of information before, but couldn't find it in the places I would expect like http://www.nrmsc.usgs.gov/research/igbst-home.htm--mark
You could make a request directly to the National Outdoor Leadership School at Nols.edu. This is my source of information through which I was then told you WILL camp in tents in the backcountry in the Absarokas. You could also do what the school has done - sit down with information from bear research organizations which have compiled the info for years. Bear attacks get reported - they tend to be very high profile. So there is a great deal of information available in most cases, at least if the victim was part of a group or was a solo hiker who survived to tell what happened. There ARE certain lessons learned: Groups of 4 tend to be attacked much less frequently than smaller groups or solo hikers; campers in tents are much less likely to be attacked than campers in the open; black bears tend to eat those they kill while grizzlies do not. There's not a great deal of "why's" given, but the tendencies are notable. It doesn't stop me from hiking solo in grizzlie country or always using a tent in black bear country (I usually use a tarp in the Smokies), but it's decent info to base institutional risk management decisions on. I DO agree with the earlier poster who said bear attack on sleepers is not a big deal in most areas, but historically MANY of the bear attacks at Philmont HAVE occurred at night, usually with scouts who did something foolish like wear deodorant to bed or brought snacks into their tent. As I said in the original post, all bets are off if you're being a chowderhead.
Ken,Does this remind us of the argument that a tent will keep snakes form crawling into the sleeping bag with you?
maybe the tent is for the bear like a convertible jeep is for lionsin africa, as long as people are sitting in the jeep, lions never attack and pretty much ignore you - step on foot on the ground though and they suddenly start lookingmaybe being "the man behind the curtain" in a tent is similar for bears?
I don't know the "why" of how this phenomenon works. I just know that it is born out by a lot of empirical data. I've only had three encounters with Grizzlie bears, but I've had run-ins with black bears on more like 3 dozen occasions. Only four of those situations were in camp and 3 of those four were in tents (one was at Philmont while I was a ranger by the way) - none of those resulted in any injury except to a pack which a scout had left a koolaid-filled water bottle in a side pocket. I don't think it's likely that bear is going to seek out a person in the open or in a tent if they are careful with their smellables. This is why I'm willing to tarp in bear country. But I don't think it's unreasonable for an institution which is responsible for thousands of young people to make a policy saying "Use a tent instead of a tarp." NOLS does it in many of its branches due to bears. So does Philmont. I agree that ultimately it's a matter of liability more than absolute danger. But that doesn't make it a bad idea when bear attacks have occurred at Philmont in the past.One side note on a bear attack that happened 3 years ago on a NOLS course. On a river course in Utah, a student who kept his hair in salty dreadlocks was bitten on the head while sleeping out in the open. When the press contacted him and NOLS about the incident, they wanted to have him on the air until they found out this was a small black bear in the Utah desert weighing maybe 100 pounds. I guess a 100-pound bear biting a 200-pound make on the scalp wasn't dramatic enough. Would the bear have been deterred by a tent wall? I don't know. If you bring food smells into your tent, you just never know.
I took Shawn's suggestion and contacted the NOLS research department. They have never published anything on tents -vs- tarps because their data is "weak". They have 2-3 million successful user days & nights of camping in bear country with a single bear attack (which Shawn described above). So the data represents a "null" set. It shows "correlation", but no causation. Another correlation (and I would argue a much better better canidate for causation) would be proper handling of odors which the bear would find attractive.The folks from NOLS suggested checking out the research of Tom Smith http://www.absc.usgs.gov/staff/MFEB/tsmith.php (see http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/brownbears/safety/safeconduct.htm) and Stephen Herrero http://www.ucalgary.ca/EV/people/faculty/profiles/herrero/main.htmThere is a nice summary of their findings at http://www.absc.usgs.gov/research/brownbears/attacks/bear-human_conflicts.htmTheir research (at least that is easily accessable on the web) has no data about tents -vs- tarps, or any indication that tarp use is statistically riskier than using a tent. What was really clear from their research was:1) Odor / food management is a huge factor.2) Avoiding surprising grizzly bears3) Black bears (in Canada and Alaska) are much more likely to hunt humans as food! This is exactly the opposite of what I expected.4) Groups are safer than solo. Number of attacks -vs- size of group drops significant with each additional person until the group size is 5 (or larger) where the number of attacks becomes flat.Reportedly, most of Herrero research result are discussed in a practical form in the 2002 book "Bear attacks: Their causes and avoidance". I haven't taken a look at this book yet. I will update this thread with whatever I find in the book.
Edited by verber on 05/02/2006 11:12:41 MDT.
Thanks, Mark, for the research.
The index of "Bear Attacks" by Stephen Herrero has two pages under the words "tent, value of"The first entry (pg 48) discusses an attack of a couple sleeping under the stars. The grizzly was a habitual feeder due to poor food disposal at a chalet and had learned it is ok to approach people sometimes. The couple has some candy in a pack near the sleeping bags. Stephen belieces the attack was opportunistic feeding. Stephen notes that a tent might have prevent this encourage. He notes that his research identified 4-6 others encounters which might have turned out differently if people had been using tents.The second section about tents (pg 125) is in a section about avoiding encounters. In this section Stephen says"My data strongly suggest that people without tents were more likely to be injured, even killed, than were people who slept in tents. He also noted it is best to have a tent which lets you stay 1-2 feet from the walls, so if a curious or garbage adicted bear crawls the tent to see what's inside that you would get hit.I would note a number of things:(1) The sample size is tiny... which isn't suprising given the small number of attacks.(2) Most of the incidences seem to be sleeping under the stars rather than under a tarp. It's not clear to me the relative protection of different shelter types.(3) Most of the incidents, the issue of the tent providing additional protection seems to be secondary... e.g. being in the wrong locations or poor management of food / odors / etc seem to be a much more significant risk factor.--Mark
How did you velcro the poles together? I tried it this past weekend with velcro straps without much success.
You need 3 adjustable straps. 1 to loop between the straps of both poles, and two more to lash around the "joint" to keep it stiff.Here's a picture...http://www.owareusa.com/images/poleconnectorweb05.JPGObviously, Oware sells the 3 straps.
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I just saw this string of posts and saw "Philmont" and that immediately caught my eye. Some of the comments in some of the posts did not ring with my own eighties era Philmont experiences, however.I was a camper at Philmont...I did the old one month long "Trail Crew" program followed within two days by the famous Philmont "Rayado Trek" back in 85' at age 16. Man that was a great experience. Absolutely the best backpacking experience. I know they still have the Rayado Trek program...that is Philmont's flagship or NOLS-like program. The Trail Crew program, I have sort of lost touch with what goes on at Philmont and I'm not sure if that program still exists. I never went to Philmont as a "regular" camper, with a council contingent. The following summer, in 86' I returned to work in base camp before I had even graduated from high school. I was formally accepted to be a Philmont Ranger for the summer season of 91, but canceled my Phil-contract at the very last moment (I curse myself to this day for cancelling that Ranger contract).I am no longer in the Boy Scout organisation and havent been to Philmont since 86, so I havent kept up with all the changes that have occurred.Anyway, I read here that Philmont doesnt allow tarps anymore? When I was on both Trail crew and Rayado Trek, we took nylon tarps to cut the weight down so we could go "lighter and faster" way back in the mid eighties. On my days off during the summer of 86, I mostly went backpacking for three days at a time and NEVER took a tent...only a tarp. Sometimes I would go to Taos on days off, but mostly went backpacking and logged 20-30 mile days. I remember once, on one of those three days off in 86, this other base camp guy and myself did that "Ranger marathon." Fifty miles in one day...from the north end of Philmont all the way to the South end. We went "ultra-lite" for that and basically jogged or walked super fast for the entire 50 miles, constantly eating and drinking water. We could have gone on for another 10 or 20 miles if we had had to, thats how good of shape I was back then at age 16-18.Now, if I even attempted that, Id probably have a heart attack. LOLI remember on my Rayado Trek (dont worry I wont divulge any Rayado secrets), I spent one night all by myself in bear country, under an Army poncho I had strung up as a tarp shelter. For Rayado Trek, I had to sign a waiver releasing Philmont from any responsibility and the program was openly admitted to be "very strenuous and even potentially dangerous."We were doing "ultra-light" at Philmont way back in 85!Maybe regular campers werent allowed to use tarps, but I know on the Rayado Trek and during the ten day backpacking section of the Trail Crew program, we were TOLD we would be carrying nylon tarps, supplemented of course by the now all but defunct simple Army poncho.As far as bear attacks at Philmont when I was there in 85 and 86, I cant remember if there were any bear attacks in 85. I was in the backcountry almost that entire summer and was out of the Philmont newsloop. The following summer however, (86), there were several bear attacks at Philmont that were highly publicized in the national media. I know so because my family would call me and tell me "they had heard on TV that some Scouts had been attacked by bears at Philmont!" We were briefed on these bear attacks in base camp and I served one these bear attack survivors in the chow line at the Philmont mess hall. What we were told was that one of the kids attacked by a bear the summer of 86, had been playing with spray anti-perspirant that night. And of course bears love anything "smellable" and the bear mauled him that night wandering thru camp. I never wore deodorant of any kind while at Philmont, despite the extremely intense backpacking I did back then. Didnt need anti-perspirant there, due to the extremely low humidity and I have dry skin and hair. I didnt use scented soap, shampoo or any kind of anti-perspirant or deodorant. Neither did any of my Philmont Rayado Trek or Trail Crew buddies.We never had any major problems with bears.I do agree with many of the posters in this string about one thing though. The BSA is conservative...and I suspect has become even more liability conscious in the last decade or so. I really dont know what goes on at Philmont anymore...if they have banned tarps for bear reasons or whatever, I think thats a shame.Enjoyed reading the Philmont posts, even though I hate to hear that Philmont has become so extremely liability paranoid. Insurance companies are screwing up this country.later,Eric
>Switching gears a bit, I didn't netting >mentioned. Are bugs not much of an issue >at Philmont?In my two summers at Philmont back in the mid-eighties (Rayado Trek, Trail Crew and base camp staff), I dont ever remember mosquitos being a problem. I dont think I ever used insect repellant, not once. Its so dry there, I dont see how mosquitos could thrive and live. Eric
>The other strange thing is to watch >people lining up to leave and they >weigh their packs and they are so proud >when they weigh 50 or 60 or even 70+ >pounds. These things are monsters to >look at. I would never put one on my >back otherwise I would be one of the >"cripples" in my article. Our group >passed about every other group on the >trail because we were so light & could >hike so fast (efficiently as a team). >Some people on the trail with those big >packs looked like they were going to >have a heart attack in any minute.hehehe...LOLOh man, this brings back memories. When I was at Philmont in the mid-eighties, I remember thinking it was "cool" to have my pack (Lowe Alpine system internal frame) as heavy as possible. Yet my Rangers and Trail Crew Foreman were always on us to "keep it light as possible." The Rayado Trek Rangers and Trail Crew Foreman were experienced backpackers and even back then, they liked to go "light and fast" although they didnt have cool, catchy slogans like that back then.I remember when I was in the Trail Crew program, we had to go on these food runs from our campsite near the trail we were working on to Cypher's mine...about two miles away. Every other day we made a "food run" where we would hike with unloaded packs to Cypher's mine, hike back into the cool, dark mineshaft where our fresh food was deposited (safe from bears BTW), load the food into our packs and haul back to camp. The trip back was carrying monstrous loads of up to 70-80 lbs, on a rocky trail. At an altitude of around 8,000 feet. It was tough. I definitely wouldnt have wanted to backpack all over Philmont with a load like that.But doing that for shorter distances every couple days...2-3 miles...it made a man out of ya. <grin> I KNOW that was actually good for me...at that age of course.Philmont cuts the age off at 21 for the Rayado Trek program for a good reason. Philmont doesnt want "old" Scouters in their thirties and forties having heart attacks while attempting to keep up with young guys doing 25-40 miles a day at altitude for two straight weeks. I remember getting off the airplane near sea level after having been through six weeks of strenous backpacking at altitude at Philmont. Felt like a physical superman for a few days, all that extra oxygen back on the east coast at a lower altitude.hehehe...Eric
>After 4 Treks our unit recommends boots >with a substantial sole. We have had >numerous trekkers with rock bruises from >some of the trails. Makes for a very >uncomfortable trip. The usual OTC pain >relievers don't do much for this >condition.I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Philmont is rough terrain. Even if you keep your pack weight truly light, such as 25-30 lbs, boots are IMO still necessary. I definitely do not believe that old fashioned, heavy Vasque -style "wafflestompers" are necessary for Philmont, but for most people I believe it is poor advice to tell them they can go with just trail sneakers or shoes.I am sure there are a few people who could get by with trail sneakers for backpacking, but generally its poor advice even for ultra-light backpacking. There are plenty of lightweight boots on the market...you dont have to choose a heavy boot that weighs four pounds, but you should wear boots.I remember years and years ago when I first started out in Scouts as a boy, we had some Scoutmaster tell us "we could go backpacking in running shoes." I tried this and my feet were wiped out. Trail shoes...running shoes...whatever they provide absolutely no real support of any type and are for primarily trail running, "knocking around" camp and non hardcore backpacking usage such as day hiking. Philmont is hardcore backpacking. Boots are necessary.Eric
>Boots are necessary.<I really don't agree with this statement. It depends on the person. Some people need them and some don't. Conditioning has alot to do with it.I spent four years as a Marine Infantryman. We regularly did hikes ranging anywhere from 3 to 25 miles. Pack and gear usually added up to 60-80 lbs depending on your weapon (and sometimes well over 100 when carring the gear of someone who had fallen behind.My footwear of choice was the infamous "jungle boot" which offers no support of any kind, but are light and more breathable than combat boots. The only problem I ever had was a stress fracture from carring too much weight. Never rolled an ankle, got blisters etc.Now I fractured my foot early on in my enlistment because I was not properly conditioned. Once I got used to it there were no problems whatsoever.I don't see the boots a nescessary, I see the need for proper planning and preparations as nescessary. Strengthening the body is good for you.Royp.s. Sorry if this comes off kinda rude, its not meant to be :-)
I led wilderness backpacking trips with young people for nearly 10 years. These were hikes considerably more difficult than the norm at Philmont. During that time, we went from recommending boots to advocating light trail shoes or athletic shoes. We found that boots caused more injuries than lighter footwear. The kids did better in shoes that were more like what they wore every day. In the Big Bend National Park, we recommended ankle-high orange work boots since they were the closest thing to tennis shoes and the cactus and lechuguilla out there made the protection provided by leather necessary.
Background: Philmont as a youth (69/71) with cnavas open bottom tents with plastic sheet ground cloths; Philmont '04 and going back in '07.Philmont currently states the reason for tents vice tarps are due to Hantavirus from rodents; I didn't realize open bottom tents such as the ones noted by Dave were approved; will have to rethink for '07! As far as crew tarp for cooking; we used a Campmor ultralight silnylon 10x12 tarp... four hiking poles (two front corners and side middle points), then dropped the back half to gground (lean-to) towards the prevailing direction of the everpresent afternoon/evening thunderstorm. Worked great... was able to get entire crew (8 boys/4 adults) under when needed. Usually youth were in their own tents. Only had one dinner cooking/eating during rain.Philmont is very risk adverse; crews are required to camp in specific spots; usually 2-4 crews in common area (except for 2-3 "trail" camps where you were probably alone). Almost all the bear incidents were from not following the rules established by Philmont (food in tents). In 2004, they dropped the requirement to have sleeping clothes; though was still recommended.Outstanding review; works well with Cooper Wright's Philmont Leaders Guide. ...now if Philmont would let me take my Hennessy Hammock and Jack-R-Better quilts... ::grin::
Hantavirus and tarps??? Airborne infection is possible - rodents are the vector; their droppings (saliva, also???) are a problem. So, i'm guessing that they must be thinking that either the increased airflow of a tarp vs. a tent can be a contributing factor, or the relative easy accessiblilty of a tarp vs. a tent might encourage any nocturnal rodents to have a "look-see" for food. The second seems more likely, but neither is a very compelling argument. A tent isn't much of a barrier to a rodent. A small LED flood-light inside of a tent or tarp would be more of a deterrant to nocturnal rodents - generally they don't like to be exposed by light - too easy for nocturnal predators (e.g. owls) to see them.So, food odor management and proper food storage seems to be in order. Stealth camping away from normal camp sites would be advisable (though not always permitted), and wise (if one really wants to hold down chances of contracting Hantavirus). These steps, IMHO, would be much better than tent vs. tarp. Sealing oneself in a large odor-proof, air-tight poly-bag would work too - to keep both Hantavirus and contaminated air out - by morning you'd never have to worry about contracting Hanta, or any other illness for that matter, again - though in a couple of days the air in the bag would be pretty foul [i trust, my sarcastic point comes across].I've had friends/co-workers who have had rodents eat through through their tent, pack, food storage bag (NOT O.P.) to get to a food scent - from spilled food.Rodents 3 (score 1 for biting through a tent, 1 for pack, 1 for food storage bag) Tents 0[at least with a tarp, my co-worker's score would only be 2 to zip]Even an Ursack might not stop a rodent if odor is present, but then y'all already know that.My two shekels.
Edited by pj on 06/01/2006 03:11:47 MDT.
I'm wit you, Paul, No tent will stop a determined chipmunk as soon as he realizes that hurling himself against it is less effective than knawing through. I've seen them go through tents and into packs as well. Philmont is a nice place, but experienced troop leaders might do better to consider the Pecos Wilderness, a few miles farther west. It has real mountains - although they are still walk-ups. You hike all the time at higher altitudes than Philmont achieves. You can get above timberline and out of the green tunnel. You can plan a hike of just about any challenge or duration. The country is spectacular. Kids never fail to be impressed. I know you don't get a Philmont shirt, so I guess patch baggers would be disappointed.
Doug,Thanks for a great article. I have a concern regarding footwear however. The scout master of my troup went to Philmont last year, and I'm going in 2007 for the first time. My SM wore boots that at a minimum were medium duty, and complained that the rocky trails killed his feet. You advocate trail shoes. No problem with rock bruising etc at the end of your trek?
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Seis De Mayo: Top 10 Ways To Get Over Your Cinco De Mayo Hangover (page 9)
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2. Hair Of The Dog
For us, this sounds like the most disgusting idea ever. The last thing we want to do after over-drinking is more drinking. But for a lot of people, drinking a mimosa, a bloody mary, or breakfast beer immediately takes away many of the negative effects of being hungover.
The phrase "hair of the dog" came from Scotch-Irish folklore which said you should rub the hairs of the rabid beast that bit you into the wound.
Of course, it probably didn't work unless the beast really wasn't "rabid," but the idea of drinking more after drinking has some merit. The drink is hydrating-ish, a bloody mary or mimosa has Vitamin C in the juice, and the little amount of booze takes away the pain of a headache.

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By KEN LARSONSun Advocate publisher
Some people are just unlucky and actually go through life wondering when the next shoe is going to fall. I am not one of these people, in fact I have often boasted about how lucky I have been. For the most part, little day-to-day problems usually don't plague me and unlike some people, I don't knock on wood to ensure they won't happen.
I have always maintained that people make their own good luck. Positive attitudes, active participation in the decisions that affect their lives and being thorough and organized, usually wards off a lot of the situations that can mushroom into bigger problems.
That's not to say I haven't had a few things that still stick in my memory that are just plain unfortunate. Most of these have happened when I am traveling and in most cases, weather or transportation methods have been the causes of these annoyances.
I remember the time I was living north of Seattle and returning from a ski trip to Montana with my kids. The morning I was heading home it began to snow and what normally takes eight hours took nearly five days. If it was going to happen, it did and I was right in the middle of bad weather problems the entire way. Everything from three feet of snow on Montana's highways, to a closed mountain pass in Idaho to ice and slick roads through Washington. I trudged on with my little sports car, carefully staying on the highway, even though it was officially closed in some spots. I finally made it to Wenanchee, Wash. where I learned that every pass into the Seattle area was closed because of avalanche threats. I remember sitting in a motel room for four days, frustrated because I was missing a New Year's Eve party. Snow was so deep it was hard to get around Wenanchee and I finally had to return home via Portland, Ore, about 400 miles out of my way. Was it bad luck or just the reality of living in a mountainous region?
Last Thursday turned out to be the makings of a similar nightmare. As usual, I had booked my day pretty full with interviews, appointments, photos and meetings. I was taking everything in stride, running from one appointment to the next when the trouble began. I ran home from taking a photo downtown, to show a driver where to put a load of gravel that I had purchased for my yard. I must not have set the park brake on my jeep after I pulled in my driveway because no sooner did I got out of the vehicle then it rolled into my garage. While I was waiting for the trucker to back into my driveway, I noticed a dry plant near a pond in my yard and reached down to get a pail of water to give it a drink. As I did this my cell phone fell into the pond. Still in my dress slacks and leather shoes, I jumped into the pond to save the phone. As I stood there dripping, I realized that the phone was already soaked and I could have waited a couple minutes to take off the shoes and roll up the pants and still salvaged it.
I was also hurrying because the Western Outlaw Lawman History Association was meeting in Price and I was late for the bus tour up the canyon to visit the location where Butch Cassidy robbed the payroll office. But first I needed to get a new cell phone because the weekend was just around the corner and I knew I would need it. That took a half hour. So I rushed back to the convention, still in my wet shoes and slowly drying slacks, caught most of the speakers remarks, and boarded the bus.
But my bad luck was just beginning. We made it about three miles out of town and the bus quit half between Price and Helper. The convention had a second bus, which went to the wrong location initially, but which I eventually caught and headed again off to Castle Gate. All was going smoothly until we arrived at the construction on the Peerless bridge. I am sure I am exaggerating but the bus, filled with the convention goers, passed over the bridge at the same time as a semi truck coming the other way, and it was pretty clear we both weren't going to squeeze through together in the narrow lanes that are there. As the bus driver swerved, the door at the front caught one of the road barriers and I thought for sure we were going to either hit the semi or loose the door. It was that tight. As construction workers jumped out of the way we squeaked through.
We rounded the corner a little shaken to find bumper to bumper traffic waiting for another road construction project a little further up the canyon. We finally made it through that congested area and were about to arrive at the turnoff where the actual robbery took place but as it turned out the construction crew just happened to be paving that particular stretch of road and there was no simply no place for the bus to turn off. As the bus went up the canyon and then found a place to turn around Joel Frandsen did a great job telling the story of the infamous robbery since no one could experience it.
Arriving back in town almost an hour late for my next appointment, but with dryer feet and slacks, I sighed. I was so grateful that these things don't happen often in my life.
I just can't imagine going through life where these kinds of unlucky things happen on a regular basis.


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did you run smbadduser ?
I want to share some files with some of my LAN-friends, disallowing access for rest of the hosts. I uset "hosts deny = all" and hosts allow. with IP's it works fine. But when I'm trying to define allowed hosts by hostname allowed hosts can't connect. In testparm everything seems to be ok:
debian:/home/michal# testparm fell 10.1.1.71
Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
Processing section "[Udostepnione]"
Processing section "[Obrazy]"
Processing section "[CS+AoT]"
Processing section "[homes]"
Processing section "[printers]"
Loaded services file OK.
WARNING: You have some share names that are longer than 8 chars
These may give errors while browsing or may not be accessible
to some older clients
Allow connection from fell (10.1.1.71) to Udostepnione
Allow connection from fell (10.1.1.71) to Obrazy
Allow connection from fell (10.1.1.71) to CS+AoT
Allow connection from fell (10.1.1.71) to homes
Allow connection from fell (10.1.1.71) to printers
debian:/home/michal# testparm debian 10.1.1.71
a part of my conf:
in this example "fell" is name of my computer. If I try to enter CS+AoT through samba i get this:;*******************section global*****************
security = SHARE
netbios name = Fell
workgroup = Workgroup
server string = %h server (Samba %v)
invalid users = root
deadtime = 4
log level = 2
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
max log size = 2000
syslog = 0
encrypt passwords = true
socket options = TCP_NODELAY
dns proxy = no
passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n *Retype\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n .
obey pam restrictions = yes
;*******************section CS+AoT*****************
hosts deny = all
hosts allow = fell
comment = reality mody + dodatki
path = /mnt/Windows/Documents and Settings/All Users/Udostepniane/CS+TO AoT/
guest ok = True
writeable = no
max connections = 2
a part of my conf:
spawn smbclient //FELL/CS+AoT -U User -I 10.1.1.71 -W WORKGROUP
added interface ip=10.1.1.71 bcast=10.1.255.255 nmask=255.255.0.0
Domain=[WORKGROUP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 2.2.3a-12.3 for Debian]
tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_NETWORK_ACCESS_DENIED
did you run smbadduser ?
I don't. Is it required ? In samba manual it is written nothing about it. I would like to grant access to specific hosts (by hostname in smb network), not by username. Do i need smbadduser also in this case ?
i am not sure in the security = SHARE case, i used security = USER and need... what happens when you run:
smbclient -U guest -L comptername
this gets into why I hate samba.
First, in order to connect to a samba machine, you will need to either map certain users (remote users, like on windows) to local users. Like at my old job, aschott was my windows domain login. I had it map any remote connection with aschott to my local user, aschott. Of course you still need to type in a password. Unless you script it (like in /etc/fstab). I think the remote users will need to do so as well. I havent dealt with Windows in a while. I hate it so much, that I refrain from usage whenever possible.
Now, I would HIGHLY reccomend a very secure and advanced NFS like IBM solution that is virtualy as cross platform as it gets. It is OpenAFS. I reccomend that. Its easier. Its better. Its more reliable. I still neeed to grab some rpms and upgrade my shit NFS solution here on my lan to OpenAFS. I just havent gotten around to it.
Now if you are saying really bad things about me, one tool that will help you out if you still have a boner for samba, is Webmin. It makes creation of shares, user mapping and shit alot easier.
But OpenAFS is the shit. Plus IBM is spearheading it. If it wasnt for Red Hat, IBM would be my fave corp.
Ech, then I will have to think about ftp server maybe. It has no sence to use samba. I just would like to grant acces without authorization - just like a guest access. But only for specified hosts. If it doesn't work I will think of ftp. Thanks for every of You for Your help.


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It's not often that most people have the opportunity to argue with each other in front of a crowd of people and a panel of judges, but on Feb. 21, students from across the USU campus did just that.
They were discussing different ethical situations in the Fourth Annual Ethics Bowl. Hosted by the Society for the Advancement of Ethical Leadership, (SAEL), the event was set up as a single-elimination debate tournament. With 24 competing teams, each team of three students was paired against another team, given an ethical case study, and assigned a position to take. The teams then had five minutes to prepare their case before arguing in front of judges that the option they had been given represented the most ethical of the proposed solutions.
Brook Silver, president of SAEL, and Alison Fife, vice president of SAEL tabulate points.
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Topics debated during the event dealt with issues such as the DREAM Act, social media, weight regulation, and movie piracy.
"The goal for this event was to help support the Huntsman School's fourth pillar of ethical leadership," said SAEL Faculty Advisor John Ferguson. "Our students need to think through difficult ethical problems and this is a one way for them to wrestle with some complex issues now so they'll be better prepared when faced with such dilemmas in the workplace."
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North Korea's threat to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States has puzzled American officials, who see the regime ramping up its threats and rhetoric.
It's leading to the belief that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is more unpredictable, more dangerous and harder to read than his late father, Kim Jong Il.
"The new leader is acting in ways a bit more extreme than his father, who was colder and more calculated," a senior administration official said. "Kim Jong Il was more aware of the off-ramps to end these escalations.
"I don't recall he ever went this far in terms of the pace and scope of the rhetoric. Threatening to launch nukes directly against the United States and South Korea confirms what a lot of people have been saying, which is we are dealing with someone new," the official added.
Comparing Kim Jong Il, who died last December, to a chess player, the official said the son is more like a boxer.
"Nobody knows what he has planned, what he is thinking or contemplating doing or why the North Koreans are tripling down on their rhetoric," the official said.
Another senior administration official said Kim's youth and education abroad offered promise for many North Korea watchers that he would be more willing to engage with the West.
"Unfortunately, he is following the example of his father and grandfather pretty closely," the official said. "It's hard to be optimistic."
His grandfather, Kim Il Sung, was the founding leader of North Korea.
Officials said the latest threats, coupled with North Korea's nuclear test last month and its launch of a long-range rocket into space in December, have the United States and South Korea bracing for the possibility of a violent response by Pyongyang to tougher U.N. sanctions approved on Thursday.
They pointed to the 2010 sinking of a South Korean submarine and shelling of a South Korean island.
"It's dangerous to dismiss these threats as just rhetoric and propaganda, the second official said. "It's hard to predict."
Leading up to the U.N. vote, North Korea upped its bellicose rhetoric.
A spokesman for the foreign ministry suggested the United States "is set to light a fuse for a nuclear war."
As a result, North Korea "will exercise the right to a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors and to defend the supreme interests of the country," the country said in a statement carried by the state-run Korean Central News Agency.
Despite the strong language, analysts say North Korea is years away from having the technology necessary to mount a nuclear warhead on a missile and aim it accurately at a target. And, analysts say, North Korea is unlikely to seek a direct military conflict with the United States.
North Korea's behavior is even more curious because it comes as South Korea's new president, Park Geun-hye, took office last week calling for new dialogue with the North. Although she pledged a strong defense posture and retaliation against North Korean provocations, she called for easing tensions that grew under her predecessor.
"Given that for five years they were so angry at the previous president, Lee Myung-bak, why would they mortgage the next five years by being so difficult when a new South Korea leader is just taking office," the first official asked. "It's so very concerning."
Officials note that China, North Korea's closest ally, has demonstrated unprecedented frustration with Pyongyang's behavior.
In rare public statements, a top Chinese Communist party official suggested that China abandon North Korea and support unification with South Korea.
"We are in a new territory. Something is happening in China," one of the officials said. "For the North to be acting this way at this time has everyone on edge on what is going on, but nobody has good answers because the country is so opaque. We are trying to find a precedence to explain this."
The worst possible explanation, the official said, "is that the North Koreans don't have a plan. That is when chances for miscalculation are the greatest."
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of course he's dangerous. he was handpicked by his father, so he probably spent his entire childhood being taught that north korea was an unbeatable nation, that he himself was it's perfect leader, that america was hell in disguise, etc. someone like that is not only terribly unpredictable, but also extremely dangerous.
"Given that for five years they were so angry at the previous president, Lee Myung-bak, why would they mortgage the next five years by being so difficult when a new South Korea leader is just taking office," the first official asked. "It's so very concerning."
When has the north ever attempted to ease tensions?
Don't Trust Obama To Protect Our Allies And Interests Abroad You Most Certainly Will Regret It.
How about we agree that you have no clue what you're talking about – perhaps citing an example you didn't see off on fox news would be a start.....The President is protecting our interests and allies- too bad you never get to see it.
Ignore Whach Jobs Like Kim Il Eun
He needs a reality check like maybe a drone carrying a bomb with his name on it .
Do you people have any life, who cares which dictator is worse?
the ? is USA do you.
Kim is just a figurehead .. in fact it is his handlers who – while they remain in the background, are controlling policy; and this latest 'military threat' is an attempt by them to extract major concessions from the USA and to a lesser extent, to get more aid from China.
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Open letter to Kim Jong Un:
Dear Sir,
It has become evident that you have no concern for the well-being of you citisens. You do not value the lives of NK soldiers any more than you value the lives of SK or U.S soldiers. It seems that provoking a war is just a simple game to you. It does not matter to you if the end result is a loss of lives of thousands or even millions and you do not care for those left behind to mourn their lost loved ones.
There is no point in pleading you to think about others, when the only thing that you value is your self. I don't know how you have imagined how the war between NK and U.S would go, but I'm certain that you honestly believe that you can survive such a war. Sir, you could not be more wrong.
You need to realise that if you start this war it doesn't matter how many U.S soldiers, SK soldiers or SK civilians die, wether the number is zero or two million. From day one to the last day of fighting, you will be the number one target. You will be hunted down, but not for capture, not to be trialed nor jailed. You are going down the same path as Usama Bin Laden, and to the same place the path ends.
Please concider this.
Come on now.... The best thing for the new NK leader is a US invasion. He is very aware his country can't continue in its present direction. Once the people realize how much they have been oppressed he will be enemy number 1 i his on country – and perhaps healready is... He can't open up his country without undermining his own personal security. If he tries to change the country to fast his own brainwashed army will turn on him. His safest bet is to provoke a US invasion which wipes out most of his army. He can then get politicol asylum in another country and be safe. NK will be able to unite with SK and follow the path of East Germany.
no it was that short guy at the back of the group. ok lets get serious, lets say he attacks first south korea is not fit to fight, but the U.S. along with NATO will back them,the there is china if the side with the north it will be a war of super powers, if kimmys balls drop he'll use his 1 and only nuke but it will half to get driven by truck cause his rockets wont leave the country, his best bet would be ground war with his melnorished troops....
the picture of the two looks like a "who farted" i think it was the guy behind kim jong ll
Dangerous is not a synonym for stupid.
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This is the act of the Illuminati, WW3 is coming. I hope to god we all see this & act, not just sit around & be controlled. we as people need to stand against this corruption
And when he does strike we'll be ready. along with the rest of the world.
Great, thanks for speaking like you're in charge of things, you id*ot.
I can sum up in one word what makes him more dangerous than his father. Unintelligent
Yes, 100% yes.
kim jung un is just a child with new toys who is alway trying to destroy them. he wants to strike first let him. he want to show what power he thinks he has let him but in the end all is destroyed and he is left powerless and this where his mind ends not whats going to happen but after what happens. a saying is said in a game i play on the side "all it takes to change the world, is the will of a single man " kim jung un is that man and all we half to do is wait......wait for change
The two primary definitions of a "monarch":
1. somebody, especially a king or queen, who rules a state or territory, usually for life and by hereditary right.
2. somebody who possesses exceptional power or influence in an area of activity.
Kim Jong Un may not think he's a "monarch in the traditional sense, but that's exactly what he is; someone who rules a state or territory with absolute authority, and the position is obtained by hereditary right. Most other Communist countries (at least in Europe) all had Politburos that could remove the nation's leader if he went off the rails (as with Kruschev, Honnecker, etc). North Korea doesn't even have that.
North Korea is nothing more than a monarchy where the peasants starve and the royalty and aristocracy eat well (evidenced by photographs of the lad). This family is more "imperialist" than America ever thought of being.
Actually you are quite wrong. Most of the power lies with the ruling political party and military. Kim is just a figurehead, an icon.
"The worst possible explanation, the official said, "is that the North Koreans don't have a plan. That is when chances for miscalculation are the greatest." – I am surprised the officials are so perplexed. What the North Korean leadership is doing is a familiar game of raising the stakes, hoping the rest of the world is relieved when they settle for less than the worst case scenario. It is a familiar game.
This kid might have access to grownup toys. I only hope those who own him are more mature and have a better barber.
Maybe he wants to show that he can do better than his father by bringing the unification of Koreas under Communist rule.
Is anything wrong with that ? from their and Communists perspective....Given the Rampage, Stealing and the Sufferings of the downtrodden in Capitalists Countries ? In Their minds they are Trying to Help others to a better Life....ruled by the Working class...where NO Greed takes hold......Greed and Corruption are big problems for most countries and Commune-ism is just another Ideology to attempt to solve those problems. Whether it does or not, I do Not know !
If you were actually a professor of history and religion you *would* know the answer when it came to whether or not communism was the answer to a renewed peace and sustainable structure. It's not. It hasn't worked yet because Communism assumes total transparency of the people responsible for keeping the communist structure in place and so far no country has been able to wrangle up politicians who could be trusted not to abuse the communist structure in their favor. The best example? NORTH KOREA. Their citizens live in abject poverty as the governing body and military live large at their expense. You want proof communism is not the answer for Korea? Look at North Korea's barely surviving state and then look at South Korea's thriving capitalist state. South Korea is an utter paradise when compared to North Korea (when compared to a great number of places, actually – it's a very clean and beautiful country). That you couldn't figure this much out makes me think you're not a professor of anything, just a NK puppet hired to spout pro-NK rhetoric online. Which is funny in its own right if anyone thinks NK's propaganda machine works anywhere outside the very insular NK government and military.
We need to drone them gangam style.
How long do we haft to wait for north korea to actually send a missile.then the so called anylist well say well they coulndt make it all the way to heart of America. Stirke now and save thousands. I was told kill the few to save the many.not wait and see many they can kill first. Or we can wait in a year when they do have the capabilities to do so. Obama will wait till next president to make a decision so he does not haft govern.
Instead hill go campaigning some more or golf neglect or military,shut down white house release more prisoners and blame on republicans!! And get north Korea in press conference with kim and generals behind him.
theres moe to Kim J an NK.hes not looking 4 war or that commy hood he,s with in yet the vote is not hes moves he,s looking 4 better in gov,s as he has cometted any crims up to mow of any tipe an thats not ezy a crime to me is a injustus put 4 by1,.pnm,.
You said it.
Right, but can someone clarify 'it'?
The headline asks, if he is more dangerous than his father.
Suffice it to say, the ones pulling his strings appear to be just as dangerous.
China should annex North Korea instead of giving it to South; if Korea is reunified by South, they will be a greater threat to regional security, and South Korea will have all their long range missile and nuclear technology! They are all Koreans, and Koreans are crazy!
Also, I don't think South Korea's can feed 24 million starving people and develope a country that is larger than itself. It will be a disaster to South Korea's economy.
A couple of well placed cruise missiles into their nuke facility will quickly shut this little four-footer up.
The problem, most of the non-intellectuals here fail to comprehend, is that allot of people will die prior to the goal of ilimination of this rogue regime. I wonder how many of them have a number in their mind that would be acceptable ?
All of them would be acceptable. Think of what a great vacation spot NK could be if we just got rid of the NK's.
Why should I care how many die? I wouldn't affect me at all. You can try to use the economic card I guess, however war is a money maker and I would come out on top.
I agree, someone shouls neuter him. Maybe it will be the Chinese? That would be a statement. NK set the precident by attacking SK Territory, Killing SK Soldiers, and sinking SK boats.
Kim Jong Un appears more dangerous, irrational, and certainly carries more weight than his Father.
"carries more weight than his Father" - I see what you did there.
Nukes sound terrible, so does a leader who is compared to a real life "Rocky". I don't know what this supreme leader is upto but it appears to be a harsh move to have a greater control over over the country then the previous rulers. Kim's age factor is not in question, but the question is does he wants North Korea to turn into the next Baghdad, Afghanistan or Syria ??
i've come to light about these events rather recently so i would refrain from commenting for or against this man , perhaps a new international peace treaty at cannabis legalized states may lead to some delayed but "concrete" solutions.
I heard today how Kim Jong Un and Dennis Rodman were made fun of on Saturday Night Live. I was very saddened to hear this. And how CNN and other News media/People are saying about them and talking trash. Who are we to Judge North Korea (Kim Jong Un). He is a young man, who was influenced by his culture, father, and grandfather. He has hopes and dreams as we all do. None of us are perfect, America is not perfect, and after Saturday Night Live showed such a thing that I do not even want to watch, It is shameful. That reflects on all of us, on America. Instead of insulting we should be working on resolving, which would mean showing a good example in America that Kim Jong Un would want to follow. I think it is awesome Dennis Rodman got to meet with him, that was a big step for America, no matter how much the public thinks they are goofy, as I said before none of us are Normal, Perfect. I could find a flaw, a goofiness is everyone. America and the World need severe Prayer, whatever your belief or nonbelief, Pray. As America and the World is changing, so could North Korea, invoking the government to start war because we are bored is not the answer. As Rodman Said, Kim Jong Un has never said from his mouth that he wanted war, it's his influence around him, the older non influential N. Koreans. Kim Jong Un could bring a great breakthrough to his culture if given the right influence, putting him down and giving the older order the power is not going to bring good change, but disaster, and possible death to a young man who only wanted to see great things, Change, Things he never got to experience because he was dictated by his father and grandfathers before him. Give him a chance and think about your own flaws, would you want someone on here making fun of you and everyone you met in life? Would you want to be belittled before the world, young, trying to break free from bondage, only to find that breaking free would only hurt as bad if not worse than the bondage you lived in..... I would visit Kim Jong Un I give you a thumbs up Dennis Rodman
The young man Kim Jong Un is looking good, he looks like he is losing weight, he is happier, less stressed looking. You never know he could bring great change if given the chance. Killing or provoking is not going to bring about the change that we need. War for entertainment is not what we need. Unfortunately there are simple minded people out there that want that. What we need is Peace, working together, to bring Great Change and Order to a world gone to chaos.
Wow Harper! YOU ARE A NUT! What does all that flowery BS have to do with anything?
NK was saying they are going to nuke us, please give them a chance Miss Harper.
hahahaha. You are cracking me up, Ms. Harper.
First of, non-believers don't pray. We think and reason through facts.
Second, even in my worst/deepest flaw, I've never dreamed of nuking people because they dont want to hang out with me.
Third, considering most of the North Korea's population is poor, a lot of people are probably malnourished, that fact that this "young leader" could loose some weight to be healthier says something about the hypocrisy that's going on in that country. Did you know Communism ideology revolve around the idea of a classless, moneyless, and stateless society, where resources belong to all and are to be distributed base on need? Of all of that, only "moneyless" is true of North Korea society.
And "Would you want to be belittled before the world, young, trying to break free from bondage, only to find that breaking free would only hurt as bad if not worse than the bondage you lived in....." – WHAAT?
I'm not sure where you get the idea of people wanting to have a "war for entertainment", but your comment is definitely entertaining... and a little concerning (just a little).
Its comedy! who cares. go feed your cats
Are you high? Kim Jong Un is the leader of a belligerent nation of lunatics who consistently lay out threats to annihilate the U.S. through nuclear weapons. Domestically, most of their economy goes into beefing up their military while many of their people starve from famine. Their isolationist world ideology "Juche", created by the country's founder, Kim-Il Sung, stresses that they remain independent of all other nations. Because of this, they don't trade and have virtually no economy, and their people rely on foreign aid in order to live. They have NO freedom of speech–their state-run media continuously spouts anti-U.S. propaganda to further their isolationist position. Expressing anti-government opinions is punishable by sentence to re-education camps or imprisonment not only of yourself, but of your extended family, where you are beaten, tortured, forced into hard labor and in many cases executed. Even indirectly disrespecting the effigies of their "Dear Leader" are punishable. And that's on top of his recent ratcheting up of his nuclear program with legitimate threats to attack the U.S. Give him a chance? The day he announces that he's making Gorbachev-like reforms to his country is the day we can start talking. Until then, he's not to be trusted and Rodman–who is a former NBA player in a country whose aristocracy loves basketball–is an irresponsible idiot for going over there.
I couldn't have said it better myself, Jay. Out of all the responses to this situation you are apparently very in-tune with what is going on. Kudos.
Dennis Rodman is weird but I tend to agree with you that any kind of human contact with Kim J U can't hurt. We should buy him tickets to the NBA championship and maybe a seat at the WSOP main event. Expand his horizons. Buy him a new pair of kicks. Put him in his own gangnum video.
Who is paying you to write this stuff? Comedy gold!
/oh... and Saturday Night Live IS a comedy show, in case you didn't realize this Miss Best Korea
Since the media only gives us bits and pieces, if any, of the U.S. dealings with nuclear power hardware, et al. I am looking for some clarification about an article I read when Jr was in office. In a report by the BBC, Jr made a deal with N Korea to waive inspections of their nuclear power program... you know, the inspections that prevent governments from using spent rods to make bombs. According to this report, Jr also gave N Korea some mulla to help them get the job done faster, because N Korea's current nuclear power system was aging. Also mentioned in the article was that Jr's act of generosity was to make up for calling N Korea part of the 'Axsis of Evil'. Do a search. The article is easy to find. Also, at the same time Jr was amping up N Korea's new nuclear power system, Rumsfeld sat on the board of directors of a company that sold rods to N Korea, and other countries.
And the sanctions on N Korea's foriegn exchange bank that is well known for funding N Korea's nuclear program is only now cut off from the U.S. financial system. What's up with that? Are you telling me that it's okay to indirectly fund N Korea's nuclear program, until they start bragging about it and popping off fireworks?
And please oh please tell me that when you say that this kid you held such high hopes for was educated abroad, that he wasn't educated HERE!??? It would not suprise me in the least. Not at all.
And Jr hands Iraq to N Korea's best buddy: Iran. Brilliant, Jr.
Are you kidding me?
Did you get this from wikapedia?
I never like JR but really, you are either a gullible fool or just an agent of nonsense.
Get a real job in the trade and try that again.
PS, your posts only help to further this dis information.
BYW, hundreds of Thousands die in NK – from starvation and yet they push on with cold war rhetoric.
When you choose a side to stand on, just rememeber that you have the interent, a cell phone, constant power, public librabries ( where you can go get warm if nothing else ), and the ability to write what you want.
This is america. love it or leave it. If you leave it why not go to NK? really? something holding you back? like your freedom? Let me know about that
I think even China's patence with North Korea must be reaching the limit of tolerance.
NK needs cannot afford the arrogance and aggression simply because it is a bankrupt country. Most North Koreans are living in abject poverty, with nothing decent to eat and definitely little electricity supply in their homes.
In 1979, China taught a lesson to their once close ally Vietnam, by launching a strong across the border attack.
So, any more further NK outrageous provocations of war in that region, may not be tolerated by the new Chinese Government.
Boys letting his alligator ego overload his hummingbird butt......China needs to tighten this bad dogs leash....Charles Bowen Solomon Stone
I'm sure this will stir things up as well i'm going to use 911 as an example (threat – no compliance = 911)
America Doesn't Acknowledge Threats / we hear you but its like telling someone Ill kill you but they're holding the gun.
911 would've never happened had U.S. not had a solution before hand. The outrage stemmed from the lives lost during the conflict but the opposition doesn't regard the hell they'll have to pay for inaccurate decisions. It's called a BLUFF. flying planes into the WCT was a devastating but cheap war tactic in comparison to technology that the U.S. in-bodies.
if you are going to post comments w/ questionable information please don't. I would like to say we are Americans(The most spiteful people on earth subliminally ) and yes we have multiple situations of our own at hand that need panning but its not going to happen. Think about it for a second . I believe the same moment that Kim tenses his vocal chords to initiate a strike the U.S. intel will have 80% of that country up in smoke. I hate to admit it but america always have been and always will be the true dictators. The outlook to this is much bigger. Americas more concerned with his ignorance than the actually idea of him applying action. America does not take kindly to threats especially when they invented the concept. Along with the pre determined strategy if the threat approach does not exact conditions.
it was a ship, not a sub that was sunk in 2010. ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772) 26 March, 2010.
All HUMANS are basically no better or different than locusts and/or any other species that Exodus's and/or Migrates. This is nothing NEW and as long as people FEAR death and/or SYMPATHIZE with the "DEVIL"; they should expect nothing less than the "ENEMY" just walking into your house and telling you to leave or DIE. AMERICA has become its own worst ENEMY. Making America the ENEMY within! What a PITY. The best tricks are old tricks with modern twists.
I hate to tell you...Gods not real. Classic example of someone personifying parts of human behaviour they do not wish to accept with a man in the clouds etc etc. Sigh...this is the real evil...Religion
Hate to tell you.... but you can not prove God is not real. The real evil isnt religion. The real evil is lack of knowledge and trying speak on things you have no clue about.
the devil is your stupidity.
@Common Sense The burden of proof isn't on non-believers, it's on anyone who insists an unseeable and unprovable being created all of time and space. That's the statement that has no bearing in fact and therefore is the one that must be proven. Meanwhile, scientists are making an excellent case for no God each and every day as they investigate the Higgs-Boson particle. The anti-God theory for the universe has plenty of evidence and it's not even the side that needs to produce it, religion can't say the same.
God is in your head.
– An atheist with an IQ of 142.
The Higgs-boson particle is being researched still to conclude if we are truly suspended in nothing or if our universe is in a "bubble" type state that will eventually expire. It is a common misconception in the media.
I can't believe people don't remember the strategy of détente from the cold war days. North Korea is in such bad shape that this new meglamaniac has to divert attention from domestic problems to making threats and "dramatic" announcements. He's a wannabe look at me Hitler. If one nuclear missile is launched then his pathetic parcel of earth is a radioactive for awhile. P.S. D rodman. you are the biggest loser on this planet, ever.
of course usa are afriad faced with a nuclear weapon pointed at there faces its game over good bye usa soldier googbye dmz.
If wisdom comes with age, experience and education, North Korea is in more trouble than they realize. I'm afraid that Kim Jong XBox thinks he will just hit the reset button and play a new game after he loses this cool game he found.
I just wonder if he's going to try and nuke us "Gangnam Style" If the rhetoric and posturing gets to be too much, we can always just "Send in the drones,...Send in the drones,... They're already here!"
Wow, this guy could be a Republican Congressman. Scorched earth all the way.
Exactly the point. From the ashes the Phoenix shall rise...
Hello my son David, please do thy will and not blaspheme...The Phoenix is a mythological fantasy creature that does not exist...you are worshipping a fake god. I believe this was listed as a "no no" by my daughter Moses on the clay tablets upon the mountain after I spoke as a burning bush. This was also Moses' first run in with LSD but that's another story...anyhoo...I don't know what would posses you to think a Phoenix is going to rain fire anyway. If I was going to do it that way I would at least use a dragon. The Phoenix in 'Harry Potter: Order of the Phoenix' definitely ruined their badass image. Peace out...the holiest of holes....GOD
Yes. Kim Jong Un threatens the worlds food supply by eating it all.
Switch North Korea with Iran and Kim with Ahmadinajad and you will have a totally different tone in the comments. Good job media. Heck Iran hasn't even said that it will nuke the U.S.
But Iran has said that it will do so to Israel, and now that North Korea has tested the Iranian designed nuclear weapon for them, and the Iranian designed missles as well, they not only have a tested weapon but a tested delivery system as well. The major difference between Iran and N Korea is that Iran will bomb Israel, N Korea is just increasing the rhetoric to gain more assistance from the US. It has worked many times before, and may work again.
Oh there's that Israel again... seems to be a part of any unrest... and of course we must come to their rescue!
We here reading this don`t have access to detailed info on him ,but in my opinion i don`t think he is anymore dangerous than his father, he has learned to rattle his sabre like his father, just a little harder words to show his military leaders how tough he is. I believe he is better educated than his father , that makes him a little more dangerous , may have learned a few more tricks in the cyber war, but not stupid enough to point a little gun at the United States...but I could be wrong and he just might be that stupid after all , we shall see.
In spite of what the 'analyists say, North Korea likely has a small enough nuclear weapon and missle delivery system thanks to the Iranians. He is much more dangerous. His country is sinking deeper and deeper into poverty and he not only needs to keep the people at bay but more importantly the powerful military happy. Some say that he was directly in charge of the sinking of the S Korean ship and shelling of the S Korean Island. Yes much more dangerous.
who knows?kim j is an looks tuff then theres veitnam charly humm?pnm,.
East meets West
I think he is hot!!!! is he single? LOLjk
It's the hair
N. Korean Leader Kim Jong Un is a person who, both loved and admired his Father. Loyalty is very good and it is easy to see why Kim is standing strong, he got it from his Father, Kim Jong II. Peace is a good thing. Rodman must have saw something all are missing. Peaceall.
This guy is crazy as it comes....
This dude is 70 kilos of poo stuffed into a size 9 shoe.
My 2 cents worth: He is insane like Hitler and will push the world into bad things. Of course, he will end up just like Hitler who will always be known as a monster. It's just a matter of time before his insanity does something like Holmes and then a ticked off USA sends NK back to the stone age.
I think every leader is Dangerous at some point or the other. Look all around you.
Yes...I believe he is more dangerous, but not for the reasons you would think. He would be more dangerous than his father because he is unlike his father. His people love him. He is a much kinder ruler, therefore the loyalty his people would have would be undying. Also, the South is aware of this and would be more willing to negotiate with him.
Give the young man a break ,stop making fun of him , the more whole world tries to corner him ,his gonna get more
I dont think both are dangerous than Reagon, Bush and Obama.These three have killed more people than any other head of state.
I guess the name, Josef Stalin, never entered your mind. Or Mao Tse Tung. Or Ghengis Khan.
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Nuke them all!
I am amazed these experts are dense enough to think he is actually in charge of the government. He does not run North Korea any more than Carl Gustav runs Sweden. The North Korean military has set up a self-perpetuating regime. Kim is a showpiece, that's it. Classic figurehead monarchy.
Where does North Korea get their weapons. Doesn't the U.N. step in at some point and cut them off?
You have to give the kid some slack. Him being a new father and all. Kim, Kim, get up its your turn to feed the baby, Kim, Kim, get up, it's your turn to change the diapers. & that hair cut, I would imagine that just scares the heck out of the baby, making it cry even more. The poor kid can't get any sleep so he's lashing out at the world.
Scary thing is Bob , you could have it right . Wouldn't surprise me if something as simple as that is the reason he is being a weenie .
Kim Jung Un is still a child in body as for his education an under standing of the world's complexity's. He's fat an sassy an enjoys his steak an wine why should he worry. As for his fellow country man these people
we should feel sorry for he's not really running the show but is let do as he wishes by the generals an other hanmdlers are.
Do you really think your own parents would let you get away with such beheavor ( as in Kim Jung Un case ). After all he's only 20 years old still in dippers. Like it's been said in one of the other coments he will disapper never to be heard from again one day when the generals are finnish with him.
...Is Kim Jong Un more dangerous than his father?
That's like asking if Porky Pig is meaner than Elmer Fudd.
Huh ?
i also think that kim jong un is in charge but he's not his fathers chronies and the people with a lot of money/power-- who would be very hostile towards any sign of Kim Jong Un trying to change its government and end this insanity-- are the actual people running the show.
N.Korea is acting very irrational, their behavior is very unstable and it seems like they have their backs against the wall and their options are running out. This probably why they are acting so insane, usually the North would threaten or do something that was destabalizing and then back off because they knew they would get some kind of aide from The USA. Now the US and the rest of the world is no longer taking the bait which would explain their belligerence
Kim Jong Un would have a "tragic accident" in the near future
Hopefully love will fill our hearts and minds enough that no leader such as "Little Kim" will be able to penetrate that love to the extent that hurt will come to these shores. Let us show solidarity and love.
"Kim Jong Un" is looking for the loopholes int he United States fabric which he can make larger. He sees we over here are not united and are not working together, and that is enough for him to feel he can invade us at any time. We over here must begin acting as adults, not children. The Republicans hate the President– that is evident. Some of the Democrats are two sided, and no matter what goes on it is a struggle to get anything done. The whole world is watching and this makes us appear weak and ineffective because we cannot run our own house. Chavez's successor also expressed that he doesn't like the United States. Yes, the other countries are watching and when those in Congress lash out to hur the President, they are actually hurting themselves. We need each other and we need to hang together. Kim Jong Un and no other head of state will be able to hurt is if we show solidarity. the newscasters need to stop making inuendoes about our President and leadership over here. Other countries don't do it and the respect element is much higher. Our supposed "transparency" has become a nightmare– telling everything– telling too much, maligning and crushing our own. "A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Here's a thought........maybe our own "Dear Leader" should cease making divisive speeches.
Do you think it might just be possible that we here in America are a bit more worried about Obama and his significant influence in our lives and freedoms than we are with this troll in NK? I for one want my freedom, want to keep my job from being outsourced, want my taxes to stay somewhere below 50%, want the social security I have been paying into for 30+ years to be payed back when I am old and defensless, and want my military to protect our sovreignty. Those are pretty simple expectations, that I THINK most Americans would agree with. What the hell is so hard with that? Please don't compare apples to oranges. Kim Jung Un is a joke. Obama is a nightmare. We need to fix ourselves before fixing NK.
Finally a knowledgeable post. For those who think they know politics but don't, you should be far more concerned about your own government who is already in your backyard; and far more concerned about the China that intends to keep N. Korea fully corralled, than N. Korea itself. N. Korea is a mouse that roars. Washington and Beijing d barely whisper the things we all really need to be aware of.
The few things we know about the leaders of North Korea are scary enough. But the historical precedence is there they are revered as demigods, or at least that's the rhetoric which I would expect to make each generation of leaders progressively less stable. When you are tough that you are a god and that you can do no, how can you be a rational individual that is able to make sound reasonable decisions. Why would you truly consider the needs of your people when you are not just a king but a god in your own wright.
The fear should be that he becomes a Caligula, or perhaps even a David Koresh type leader who decides to take his people with him when things get bad.
Being naive is dangerous.
Why should people be surprised that North Korea has threatened a pre-emptive strike? Israel and America have both done so often, and they have less reason or justification to feel threatened by other countries. North Korea would be justified under the UN charter in launching a pre-emptive attack on the USA. Whether it would be wise to do so is another matter.
Too bad... you simply don't have a clue!
spoiled and fool of himself without a clue as to the world of politics. Yes, he is dangerous because he has armies of idiotic zombies who are following him. Not a good mix,
like a teenager, this kid does not know where he stands, doesn't understand the world around. He needs a X-box or PS3 so he can play shootings without hurting himself. this guy still has a lot of growing up to do. ... feel so sorry for the north Korean people have to, helplessly, put up with another miserable generation. let he make a move so the South Korean can go up there to take this guy away.
they are idiotic brainwashed fools. I do not feel sorry for these people but I think we should watch them very closely....very closely, indeed. They could manage to do some harm and make Al-Qaeda look benign.
The kid is a figure head. The generals still run the country.
Nope; Have you forgotten last July and the shakeup of military brass starting with Ri Yong-Ho? And the generals never ran the country anyway, best guess is the transition was carried out by Kim Jong Il's sister Kim-Kyong-hui (Un's aunt) and her husband Jang Sung-taek. For the Kim family, everything has always been about maintaining their grip on power in North Korea, and not even Kim Jong Il's death would have swayed them from that #1 goal.
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