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In response to russgriswold's comment:
Brady thinks it's mostly about him and his arm, and it's cost the team. Unfortunate, but the truth.
It's been brutal to watch Brady morph into that same mold.
This is all just silly supposition on your part, you have zero proof of any of this. The offense turned this way because of changes in coaching, coordinator and personnel... this soap opera is all in your head.
Brady has been the model of a team player since he arrived and nothing has changed.
russ..if you leave this premise of Brady controlling everything, being selfish and all about stats, your posts would be much better received. I don't understand why you are always harping on this when there are no facts, only supposition to back it up. You, me and everybody on this board has no idea what happens during game planning sessions. However my guess its as Wozz said and not about how you are trying to portray Brady.


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wow. I want to try this. And if you smear it on apples, it could be considered health-food, right?
I would think so!
It sounds absolutely wonderful. Maybe I can do this with one of the slices of brie that I've just ripened and frozen. Mmm... don't know where to get candied pecans from, would plain ones do? That would make it even more of a health-food, wouldn't it?
At first I thought "what the heck?" Then I looked down a few posts and want to whip out the old crockpot and make some of your yummy looking recipes. Keep up the good work!
Hi canwemakeit (very cute name)!
dabrah, you can most certainly make it with regular pecans. If you opt for candied, melting a tad of butter with a bit of brown ugar to mix with the chopped pecans would candyify them perfectly.
Here is the invitation. Bring us brie. Blog looks great. :-)
I have made this little ditty before-- but all wrapped up in puff pastry dough. It is super yummy, but I don't think I'd have to hide it from my kids--somehow I don't think they'd be dying to get their hands on my french cheese with nuts and cranberries :)!
Can't wait to try this one!Thanks for sharing!
Oh I wish I would have read this Saturday instead of today! Now I need an excuse to make this. . .and I have everything in my fridge!!! NUM, thanks!
*I think this would work perfectly in the smallest bowl!
Oh that looks yummy, I may have to make that one soon. :)
I am living in MX without an oven, but with my trusty crockpot. I also have Celiac Disease. Having no oven and a craving for cornbread(Grew up in the South), I decided to make it in the crockpot. This is before I discovered your blog. It came out perfectly. I also made a fresh blackberry crisp (with quinoa flakes in place of oatmeal). It too was great. I have a large oval pot and doubled the recipe.
I roast my chicken in the Crockpot and stuff garlic, oranges, lemons, and whatever else I have inside. Thanks for your great blog.
Dallasred, you are so very welcome! I'm glad to be somewhat helpful.
Your blog is a great inspiration to me. I keep flogging the cook, a retured DH, to make some of these delicious things. He forgets, I flog... Someday soon I hope he will gather it all, including his wits, and go for it.
I don't know if this is a stupid question or not. I made this a couple days ago and the hard ends of the cheese didn't melt, so I was wondering if I am supposed to cut part of the cheese off before I melt it? It was very good other than the slight weirdness of the hard cheese pieces.
Hi Sunnie,
when I made it (a few times now, it's one of our favorites!) the outer rind of the brie doesn't fully melt, either. I like it like that, but I can see how some may not. You absolutely can try to peel the rind off if you prefer it that way.
Hi Sunnie! I JUST tonight made a round brie dish (brie with apricots and brown sugar) and you are right.
If you buy the packaged round brie, it has a VERY thick and hard rind. I've not come across that before, because I've always used the fresh brie from Trader Joe's. I would definitely (from now on!) cut the very top part of the rind off before adding the topping to the crockpot.
The rind from the Trader Joe's brie is nowhere near as thick and softens enough to eat.
I'm sorry to have led you astray!
Oh wow!! I just found your blog and I am in love with you. hehehe. Kidding. I LOVE Brie and this sounds so flipping good!!!! I will be reading this from now on, since the year is almost out.
Thanks Stephanie! I am looking forward to trying this recipe again and also the new one with apricots and brown sugar! I wish we had a Trader Joe's near where I live, but the closest one is about an hour away. Alas, I will have to continue trimming the rind. Thanks again for your help!
This was a major hit at the office Christmas lunch!! FOUR people asked for the recipe!
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- david said...
1. Biblical Problems/Issues
2. Arguments for the existence of God
3. Presuppositional Apologetics - specifically the transcendental argument for the existence of God (such as presented by Greg Bahnsen in his debate with Gordon Stein) and also foundationalism (Gordon Clark and Vincent Cheung).
4. Historicity of Jesus
This approach spans the apologetic camps: evidential, classical, and presuppositional. I also think it tends to be the most convincing for both atheists and Christians as far as what the arguments succeed or fail in accomplishing. I know John has done some extensive work with kalam, so maybe with #2 the focus could be more on moral argument (which I find to be very compelling) or the ontological argument (which few seem to write on these days except Van InWagen).
I would also like to hear some DC opinions on objectivism, which I have seen defended by Robert B and also Dawson Bethrick. According to Dawson, anyone who isn't objectivist runs the risk of being deluded.
- November 12, 2008 at 5:28 PM
- Andre said...
I'm one who would like to contend that the psychology of belief is the biggest issue and the root of our thoughts on a god. One point I'd like to make about this is the example of William lane Craig's admittance that nothing can shake his belief as long as he has the "inner witness of the Holy Spirit". If this is not a psychological matter, please correct me if I'm wrong.
When we recognize the mental factor, the evidential bible problems can now be accepted as errant. But when there's disagreements on obvious issues, then it becomes a matter of the psychological affect.
This brings us to the arguments for God's existence. Philosophy I think plays the major role here.
The Historicity of Jesus, the History of the church, and the rest is thus, stimulating.
- November 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM
- goprairie said...
possibility of miracles? how about debunking of miracles?
science of belief - brain science related to belief, evolution theories of why we believe so easily
help for those desiring to 'come out' - maybe a question and answer forum - a person who is losing faith and has a few things they are clinging to can ask for help explaining them away - my last refuge was prayer studies that have since been turned around - and part of that,support for people 'coming out' - what to expect, the emotions that can come up, how to talk to other about it, who to tell and who not to tell and why, how to resist getting all militant about it, other pitfalls of the recent atheist
- November 12, 2008 at 10:30 PM
- Philip said...
Are you referring to objectivism or Objectivism?
Because Objectivism is a fundamentalism of its own, and would certainly lower the overall credibility of this blog in the eyes of those we're trying to convince, as well as spark potential internal arguing amongst ourselves.
- November 13, 2008 at 1:36 AM
- david said...
Not familiar with the distinction, but I'm referring to Ayn Rand's objectivism as espoused by Dawson Bethrick over at www.bahnsenburner.blogspot.com
- November 13, 2008 at 2:17 AM
- David B. Ellis said...
I'm with Andre on this. I'd like to see more about the psychology of religion. I think criticisms of religion have far more impact when philosophical arguments are supplemented with discussion of the psychology of religious belief, conversion and deconversion.
I also think linking occasionally to well written deconversion stories, of which there are a lot on the web, is worthwhile. There could be fruitful discussion in the comments section on the particular process by which different individuals reach the conclusion that their religious beliefs were mistaken. And nothing is better for counteracting the preconceptions many believers have about deconversion than hearing a personal story.
- November 13, 2008 at 8:26 AM
- Brian_E said...
I had to include in my vote one of the areas where I feel my knowledge is weakest; the history of the church. Plus, it never ceases to amaze me when you hear about what this church did to these people at a certain time period, etc. If god guides the church, then god is a maniac!
- November 13, 2008 at 10:05 AM
- Scary Jesus said...
I'd like to see more discussion about how modern Christianity shapes politics, and how it probably harms the conservative message. Also I'd like to see more pictures of chimps in train engineer outfits.
- November 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM
- Philip said...
That's the objectivism with a big "o". There are many conclusions Rand comes to which are unnecessary and extreme. Her arguments regarding epistemology and objective reality are well put, and her justification of individual rights and such are certainly going to be shared by any humanist.
But she was convinced that since she believed in absolutes and the existence of knowable, objective truths, she claimed she had discovered them and that literally everyone else was wrong. According to her, if you are pro-democracy, pro-socialism, at all religious, empathetic, or a fan of modern art, then you are completely wrong and are foolish.
Objectivism inherently does not respect the existence of differing viewpoints. It does not respect or acknowledge the role of the society or groups of people as a whole in determining one's behavior and worldview, or the importance of maintaining the harmony within a society. The perfect Objectivist country, as I have learned from one of the assistant secretaries for the Ayn Rand Institute in southern California, is a country where corporations are able to do absolutely whatever they want, the government does not help its people, and the military and police are privatized. In fact, the idea if "society" is anathema to an Objectivist, who sees the world as composed only of individuals, ignorantly refusing to acknowledge the necessary reality of societies and cultures.
Objectivism is great in that it is humanistic, and affirms the knowability of our universe. It is deficient in that it then goes on to list a hundred arrogant conclusions that it insists are the only truths, no questions asked. It puts idealism and philosophy on a higher pedestal than what the realities of human life are (the value of altruism in societies, empathy's importance, etc), and then goes on to expect people to act as if those realities dont mean anything.
It's in this way that Objectivism is a fundamentalist philosophy with resemblances to Christianity. It's also important to note how many people, after becoming Objectivists, begin to talk and think about nothing else and begin to get evangelical with it.
- November 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM
- Lucy said...
A very ad hominem comment posted on Dawson Bethrick's blog that was met with much hostility:
"Also, nix the whole Objectivism bullshit; real philosophers don't take it seriously for valid reasons. I was initially attracted to it in high school (like many fake high school intelligensia), but I abandoned it when I recognized it as the adolescent, sophomoric, pedestrian "philosophy" that it is. It's stupidly circular and poorly argued for; more often than not disguising assertion as argument.
Ayn Rand is to philosophy as Lyndon Larouche is to politics. Objectivists are the Scientologists of philosophy and "Atlas Shrugged" is its "Dianetics" equivalent. They are the street preachers of philosophy. They as embarrassing to professional philosophers as the lone, dogged and obnoxious "9/11 Truther" is in a meeting of structural engineers or the token "Reiki healer" is at an NIH meeting. People usually give up Objectivism at about the same way others learn that their "Anime" (or "Manga") obsession is seriously lame and, usually, maturity dawns on them when they emerge from their parents' basements, throw away their "Ron Paul 08" signs and t-shirts, and attempt to become thinking adults and abandon their "high-school intelligensia" image. They stop asking "Who Is John Galt?" and start asking, "Who fucking cares?"
There's a reason Peikoff is so damn lonely. More often than not, Objectivists are as insulated in their worldviews and their "apologetics" as the goddamn Calvinists."
Well, both Objectivists and many religious apologists are "presuppositionalists" in that they take a strong, epistemically foundationalist approach to their worldviews that rely heavily on axiology and/or "necessarily presupposed" axioms and whatnot.
Though, were I to choose, my sympathies are stronger with the former, but both approaches are more often than not seriously dogmatic, hostile, and circular.
As to the conduct of this blog, I agree:
- Excise Objectivism,
- Exercise more anti-presuppositionalism (Bethrick's strength)
- November 13, 2008 at 1:19 PM
- Andre said...
Yeah Mr. Ellis, good point about the deconversion stories. Again, even William Lane Craig admitted the power of the stories makes him wonder if he really could be wrong.
I know people say these testimonies from both sides doesn't help much, but it does, and is a part of the accumulated case against Christianity. We cannot just say "everybody has a story to tell", and ignore the indication of truths and falseness within. One of the two beliefs system is wrong and one right, maybe neither is absolutely/completely right or wrong in every aspect, but in a general sense.
Also a great deconversion story is more compelling than a conversion one, because of the similar affects of all the religions of the world, and people falling for them. Basically, we may live in a world of religions, but I don't think this is a religious universe, it's an "atheist universe".
- November 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM
- Carbon Based said...
I agree with andre, why does religion appeal to the masses? What is the phycology behind it? What makes it such a strong meme?
- November 13, 2008 at 2:32 PM
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- November 13, 2008 at 2:37 PM
- david said...
Also what explains the memetic of atheism ;)
- November 13, 2008 at 2:37 PM
- BobCMU76 said...
Yup to david and andre... the psychology of belief and unbelief.
I note that the poll gives strong emphasis to the Christian Bible and the historical Jesus, and I'm with that too.
Abstract philosophy is cool. Non-christian traditions are cool. But I think sticking to the claims of Christianity suits me, along with psychology/sociology of belief.
So, is Objectivism the basis of a sound world view when it finally gets around to discarding Rand's personal proclivities? Christianity can't seem to shed Paul's.
- November 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM
- David B. Ellis said...
Everything that I agree with about objectivism is where its identical to humanism. Everything that I object to in objectivism (and there's a fair amount) is where it breaks with humanism.
For me, humanism seems a clearly superior philosophy of life.
- November 14, 2008 at 8:27 AM
- John W. Loftus said...
It seems as though a lot of people want to see a discussion of the historicity of Jesus. Will this do?
- November 14, 2008 at 8:33 AM
- Robert_B said...
Warning: Contains disturbing images
Killing kids for Christ
Ah, the love of Jesus is ever present amongst us.
- November 14, 2008 at 3:58 PM
- Qalmlea said...
I'm mostly delurking to point out that your poll currently adds up to 318% ... best guess is that it's miscalculating the number to divide by, as it undercounts the total number of votes.
As for me, I'm very interested in the early history of the church. Mostly it gets glossed over or presented as some idyllic time of wonders.
- November 14, 2008 at 10:42 PM
- ismellarat said...
What if the current John Loftus could meet and debate the old John Loftus?
That would make for an interesting and funny series of articles!
- November 14, 2008 at 10:59 PM
- ismellarat said...
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- November 14, 2008 at 11:00 PM
- Heather said...
Robert_B - Did you notice the last paragraph, and the Christians attempting to help and shelter the children that survive, and that Gary, Director of UK Charity Stepping Stones Nigeria, says: "It's an absolute scandal. Any Christian would look at the situation that is going on here and just be absolutely outraged that they were using the teachings of Jesus Christ to exploit and abuse innocent children."...
- November 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM
- ismellarat said...
Heather, I think you know about where I stand: somewhere in between.
I do sympathize with much of what you have to say, and admire your going out of your way to say it here, time and again.
But I'm going to ask you a hard, loaded question. I just received an email from someone who passed something along about the horrors of Jesus' crucifixion, which yet again reminded me of Christians' tendency to only see the parts they wish to see.
I don't think you and they can escape this:
Jesus suffered, but ALSO commanded that stonings be carried out, for adultery, working on the Sabbath, etc. (I'm not wrong on this, so think carefully, before you try to correct me.)
So, why don't you watch one
and imagine Jesus instigating and participating in it. Imagine that he orders you to join in.
What would you do? (Thinking about something is the same as doing it, we're taught, don't forget.)
I was still shuddering 18 hours after having watched what happened to these women (I think they were women, because they were buried only up to their chests).
How did you feel? As the site tells its Muslim audience, watch and do not be disgusted. You MUST agree with this kind of punishment.
You're not alone - I couldn't deal with it, either.
- November 15, 2008 at 12:26 PM
- ismellarat said...
I would ask the atheists to not gloat too much.
You can't tell people to NOT stone anyone else, if they
1. can get away with it,
2. aren't bothered by their consciences
I guess nobody loves me, now. :(
- November 15, 2008 at 12:34 PM
- Heather said...
ismellarat-could you please tell me where in the Bible it speaks about Jesus requesting people to stone others. Thanks. I will respond to your question after that...
- November 15, 2008 at 8:20 PM
- Heather said...
ismellarat - The muslim faith and the Christian Faith are two totally different religions...I don't agree with the quran, or many things the muslim Faith says is good or okay...
- November 15, 2008 at 8:26 PM
- ismellarat said...
Heather, I think you slipped up.
Think about this:
Jesus is God.
God ordered such punishments to take place.
Had Jesus been on the scene in those times, he would have set the example.
Had he been asked later, he certainly couldn't have disagreed.
For extra credit, can you also explain what motivated you to apparently try and distance Jesus from stonings?
You don't believe that stonings are in and of themselves despicable - do you? (That would take some more explaining!)
So, imagine again that Jesus had been at the scene, and commanded you to carry out this sentence on a woman, much like in the video.
What would you have done?
As you think in your heart, so are you, remember.
The only available videos of stonings are by Muslims, so of course that's what I had to use, to demonstrate that all those words *really mean things*.
But the point made at that site should also apply to Christians: God did command this be done to people (whether it applies now doesn't matter) - so why don't you agree, and say you would have been willing to do the same, had you been there?
I've yet to hear a Christian say that they'd have willingly slowly bashed a woman's face in, had they been alive in those times.
A medical professional should make vivid what happens during a stoning, just as there have been widely published medical descriptions of the crucifixion.
We're all liberals now, I like to say. Some just don't like to admit it.
- November 16, 2008 at 6:40 AM
- ismellarat said...
I'm sorry for taking such a hard-line approach with this.
I still see much good in the church and we'd probably agree on many social issues, and in the hope that *something* good awaits us on the other side.
But I've been on this "lower plateau" for several years, now.
You might say that I just found it too hard to love both God and my neighbor at the same time.
How can I wish the best for my neighbor, and at the same time wish something like stonings, eternal Hell, etc. on them?
- November 16, 2008 at 6:54 AM
- Heather said...
Ismellrat-Okay, again...please show me in the Bible where God ordered stonings. I have not concentrated in the OT, so please share with me so I can read it.
If your claim is that Muslims say God tells them too do it, well...that makes little difference to me. I am sure you realize that I don't beleive in that God.
I can not fathom Jesus paricipating in a stoning. In the Bible, he encounters a woman who would meet "stoning" requirements...and yet he is kind to her and gives her advice. His goal is to save the outcasts...to help the unhelpable (is that a word?). I don't think Jesus would request me to be part of a stoning. (By the way I feel stoning someone is horribly wrong in all ways). If someone, today, claimed to be Jesus, asked me to stone an adulterer, I would first know they were not Jesus and then run other way...
I don't feel that I am distance Jesus from stoning...I simlpy am trying to have the same information you do so that I can best answer your questions...
- November 16, 2008 at 11:06 AM
- ismellarat said...
Stoning was part of Biblical Law, which was handed down to Moses.
By God. God = Jesus.
Just look up the verses mentioned by Wikipedia, for a quick reference.
Nobody who believes the Bible disputes that.
They may try and dodge the implications by saying that that was part of the old covenant - but so what?
God commanded that the Law be applied to that culture, had Jesus been there in person, he would have set the example in carrying it out, and had he been asked later, if stoning was a just punishment, according to God's (his own) Law in those times, he would have said yes.
So if you are asked if this was a just punishment, you must say yes, AND if you had been actually living during those times, you would have had to agree with a real, flesh and blood person's slow, tortured execution in this manner.
This kind of thing used to bug the hell out of me. I was just never the kind to just shoo unpleasant discoveries out of my mind.
It does give me some comfort, though, knowing that almost no Christians believe the whole package, so how can anyone blame me for doing the same?
Christians and their detractors really do have a lot in common...
- November 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM
- Philip said...
I strongly suggest you read the Old Testament more thoroughly. It's the same god you worship, so you shouldn't have a problem with it. Keep in mind, when you do, how Jesus supposedly said he did not come to abolish the Law (Mosaic Law), and how "not one iota" of it would be taken out until the end of the world.
And you do worship the same god (the god of Abraham) that Muslims worship. They just have a different take on how things are.
And who are you to argue with them? If it's claimed that Gabriel talked to Muhammad on God's behalf, you'd be hypocritical to ignore that revelation while simultaneously accepting Moses' and Samuel's and Daniel's and Jesus' revelations as fact. Just be consistent if you want to be taken seriously.
Why do you reject Muhammad's revelation but accept Moses'? What are you criteria?
- November 16, 2008 at 11:51 AM
- david said...
Ok theres a lot of B.S. getting thrown around on this thread.
The Muslim revelation is not accepted for several reasons. The Quran instructs believers to respect the "people of the book" (Jews and Christians), but do we find that happening in countries where Shari'ah law is instantiated? No. The Quran contradicts itself and the Bible, which destroys any credibility of being latter day revelation....aside from the fact that the Bible implies in Revelation that no one should add to or take away from.
Also the interpretation of "one iota" to mean all Jewish law is retained in the new covenant is sophomoric at best.
- November 16, 2008 at 3:03 PM
- Heather said...
ismellarat - Okay, I did some researching, and yes, many different things had a punishment of death or stoning. I believe that stoning being the preferred method may have had something to do with it being a community action and what was done in those times (I don't think death by lethal injection had been invented yet). I also think that a person would assume that someone would never commit the "crime" if the punishment was so horrible...but that doesn't always work, does it. Now, I don't think it does matter in the grand scheme of things...I see the OT as this is what we tried, and it didn't work, so Jesus was born to die and save us. "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13 My understaanding is that with the death of Jesus, it was in a sense the death of the first convenant. That is why I do not focus on the OT...while it has importance, and the Psalms are so uplifting I prefer the NT.
I suppose I reject Muhammad because he is not Jesus. The only way to God is through His son Jesus. I believe that is true and if that makes me closed minded, I guess I better get some thick skin (I prefer to think of myself as a tolerable, open-minded person), I don't believe there is any other way to know God, but by Jesus, end of story. I know that opens me up for a huge amount of critism...but that just helps to thicken that skin! :)
- November 16, 2008 at 8:07 PM
- Philip said...
Can you really afford to bet your eternal soul on that? The Qur'an plainly states that the Bible was corrupted early on, and that the Qur'an is perfect. If this is true, why would you not just take a leap of faith and believe it? We only live for so long, and eternity is forever, and Hell is too hot. The Qur'an clearly states that non-Muslims will go to Hell. Why not convert just to be on the safe side?
And David, please explain how my interpretation is "sophomoric." The Law means the Law, and "not one iota" means "not one bit", so I'd say my interpretation is fairly on. If it's not, then please correct me, but don't just say "nuh-uh" and leave it at that.
- November 16, 2008 at 9:57 PM
- Philip said...
And Heather,
You don't think there existed less barbaric means of execution (you also forget to explain why it was just of God to prescribe the death penalty for working on Saturdays)? You can't seriously compare stoning to death to death by lethal injection.
And if the Old Testament was "what we tried" but it "didn't work," would that not be God's fault for coming up with a system that didn't work?
- November 16, 2008 at 10:06 PM
- Heather said...
Philip - I suppose if all Muslims go to Heaven and all Christians go to hell, I guess I will be in good company. :) I have 100% Faith in the Christian God, in Jesus. I don't need anything else, anything different.
In my mind, I relate what God does as what a parent does. If the people had not tried and failed at keeping sin from their life with all the regulations and rules, the significance of Jesus would not be nearly as profound. That one man would choose to die for me, and in such a way...well, it is amazing. I think with our own children, you don't want them to fail or make mistakes, but it really is a part of life, it makes them who they are as an adult...all the trials and errors, and they learn wonderful lessons, which makes success all that more wonderful when it is reached.
- November 17, 2008 at 10:03 AM
- david said...
Don't have time this week. There are volumes of scholarly exegesis on that passage. Check them and figure out for yourself.
By the way, I gave the same amount of evidence you did ;)
- November 17, 2008 at 10:23 AM
- Philip said...
You're saying that your god purposely set up every human to fail and go to Hell just to make going to Heaven all the more wonderful for the few that do.
Dont you get it? If God had set things up right in the first place, no one would HAVE to be saved by Jesus. Your god, however, chose not to. Whose parents set their children up to fail miserably just to humiliate them and teach them lessons? Your comparison of God to a parent is an insult to the goodness of every kind parent.
I honestly wonder if you think about what you write before you write it.
- November 17, 2008 at 2:16 PM
- Heather said...
Philip - Do you have children? I do. I want them to succeed more than anything. I can talk until I am blue in the face, but until they experience many things, success and failures, on their own...well, my words don't mean much to them. I never set them up to fail. I guess I don't see the human race as a failure. I don't see God's creation as failure. Who are we to say what is cosmically right or wrong. What we as individuals see or experience is tiny compared to everything that happens and has happened since the beginning of time. How is it that we can say it is wrong, when we have no idea of what is yet to come?
Oh, and thank you, I do think before I type...it just isn't the same thing you think. I honestly enjoy hearing others thoughts...I don't have to be "right" and neither to they, if we are in a discussion about God I have no problem with the fact you think He doesn't exist and yet I do think He exists...Isn't it possible to discuss without someone having to say "Oh, you are completely right and now I will change my own point of view"? I don't imagine that you will be doing that, and I know that I won't. But I do find your perspective interesting and thought provoking...
- November 17, 2008 at 2:58 PM
- John W. Loftus said...
Here are the results:
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Possibility of Miracles 35 (13%)
Science and the Bible 89 (33%)
Problem of Evil 62 (23%)
Arguments/ God's Existence 88 (33%)
Resurrection of Jesus 63 (23%)
History of the Church 75 (28%)
Psychology of Belief 90 (33%)
Presuppositionalism 42 (15%)
Historicity of Jesus 112 (42%)
Current/ Social Issues 45 (16%)
Video Debates 68 (25%)
- November 20, 2008 at 5:11 AM
- BobCMU76 said...
Thankfully, discussion of Benny Hinn and Robert Tilton has been voted off the blog.
I wonder, though -- if there is anything new under the sun, with respect to Biblical issues and the historical Jesus. Occasionally home historical corroboration will appear in sands where none was known before. But mostly corroboration is and will always be sketchy at best, and that doesn't deter anyone from believing what he thinks ought be so.
Biblical science, at least, is patently falsifiable. And yet people still look up and consider that the lights rest upon a domed "firmament" like the planetarium at the science museum, which we like better as an IMAX theater.
About the one comfort is knowing that again and again scientific knowledge trumps scriptural knowledge and both trump arcane "knowlege" in predicting what will be, given a set of facts. Could that have been said in the age of phlogiston and sponteneous generation?
I'm interested in some of what John brings up about the paucity of evidence of a relationship between religiousity and social well being, and how we adjust as a people to the emergence of scientific knowledge as a worthy (based on Biblical criteria of reliable foresight) source of moral instruction.
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There are two things to keep in mind when looking into a holistic health program. First, alternative therapies and holistic wellness programs are art forms, not sciences. Second, to be most effective, all natural wellness approaches demand the daily involvement of the person in need of the care.
Alternative therapies are an art because, unlike science, precise results cannot be repeated over and over. This is not a sign of anything lacking in the so-called alternative methods of healing, but simply because your health issue almost certainly has more than one simple cause (and perhaps a half-dozen symptoms) and will need a shifting strategy of therapies to finally resolve.
Let's say you are receiving care from a chiropractor for neck pain. He adjusts your cervical vertebrae and the pain subsides. However, when you return a few days later and the same area is adjusted, the pain doesn't go away. Is this a failure of the treatment? No, because the chiropractor, having palpated you prior to the adjustment, also knows that your thoracic spine is subluxated (misaligned). Thus, on this day he adjusts two locations to alleviate the pain, whereas the other day only one adjustment was necessary.
Another example finds you seeking help for insomnia in the office of an acupuncturist. After the initial examination, the acupuncturist puts together a "point prescription" or list of acupoints that will be used to treat your sleeplessness. Today's points may be selected to calm the liver and heart. But tomorrow the same insomnia may require the use of points to balance the heart and kidneys. You see, while you are still suffering from the same sleep disorder, the underlying cause of it keeps changing due to a variety of related factors, not the least of which is changes in daily stressors and lifestyle choices.
These are merely two small examples of how the art of holistic healing makes it possible to continue the healing process by looking for, expecting, allowing and making modifications in treatment from changes in the body that often confound a more scientific yet less healthy method of care.
Our second issue is that the effectiveness of any holistic program necessitates the active involvement of the person in need of the care. This is true of nearly every holistic healing method I can think of. In my own practice, I try to maximize time and effort in an attempt to make the problem "go away" as fast as possible with the least amount of fuss. Synergistic care is the only way I have found to truly do this.
A person had come to me complaining of severe insomnia, anxiety, fatigue and weight gain. A primary care physician might look at these as separate issues; deal with each of them individually by prescriptions and then referral to a dietician or nutritionist. However, in my holistic practice I see these various health problems as being part and parcel of an overall wellness imbalance. And it is this imbalance that must be corrected or else the person's conditions will continue to exist, no matter how many pills are swallowed.
I suggested to this person that he take some Chinese herbal formulas and said that a change in diet was necessary, as were changes in daily activities, including a need for regular exercise — in addition to receiving hands-on energy treatments. Clearly most of these methods become the sole responsibility of that person to manage his own life by establishing a ritualized sleep/wake cycle, by eating protein at every meal and eating three to six times per day to maintain energy levels, to avoid all foods and drinks that spike blood sugar or lead to weight gain or dampness retention, to get out and walk at least 20 minutes per day if prolonged gym exercise is not an option, and so on.
The healer's art lies in seeing that sleep deprivation is both caused by and is also a cause of anxiety; that weight gain is due to improper diet and emotional issues; that insomnia is a result of anxiety and poor food choices and lifestyle choices and jobs that lead to stress and organ-energy imbalances. There is something in the body "allowing" these ailments to thrive. Uncovering that imbalance is an art. Following the progress of the ailments and adjusting to them over time is also an art, one that both the healer and the patient come to share.
If you do not understand this fundamental responsibility to yourself, you may never achieve optimal health. And while prescription drugs can take away the pain as long as you use them, the underlying mechanism causing the pain is still working night and day in your body. The only way to truly be "cured" is to remove the cause of the pain (or illness) and then to balance the body so it is able to resist on its own. And the best way is to choose to walk a holistic path, to forge ahead by utilizing a synergistic program that requires your own passionate personal involvement.
So the pair of linked concepts that always need to be considered when looking into medical alternatives is that true healing is an art and that you, personally, hold much of the responsibility for reaching your wellness goals. The healer will point the way, will provide the hands-on work and will furnish you with educational material and traditional knowledge. But it is you, the fellow artist, who must stay on the path and do the walking.
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Flights to Catania from Europe
Flights from Catania
The Monastero San Benedetto, situated in via Crociferi –heritage of Unesco – is symbol of Catania. It's identifiable by the arch which unites the Monastery's main abbey and the Church of Saint Benedict – one of the beautiful baroque churches in Sicily – to the little abbey, wherein the MacS has its place.Address: via Crociferi 11 - ingresso da Via Teatro Greco 2, CataniaPhone: +39 095 715 2207Website: http://www.benedettineviacrociferi.it
In the heart of Catania, Piazza del Duomo, encircled by impressive Baroque buildings, recently became a UNESCO world heritage site. In the middle of the square is Fontana dell'Elefante, Catania's most famous monument – the lava stone Elephant Fountain.Address: Piazza del Duomo
Piazza del Duomo is also home to Basilica Cattedrale Sant'Agatal. Behind the marble walls is the final resting place of the city's patron saint, Agata. Every February processions are held in her honour.Address: Via Vittorio Emanuele II, 163, CataniaPhone: +39 095 320044Website: http://www.cattedralecatania.it
The small town of Caltagirone, 42 miles from Catania, is at the heart of Sicily's ceramic handicraft tradition. The town also offers beautiful architecture, so don't miss the richly decorated walls of the Scala dei Santa Maria steps. Along the stairs there are old, historic buildings.Address: Caltagirone
Sicily's most famous composer is Vincenzo Bellini (1801-1835), who was born in Catania. His operas like 'Norma', 'La Straniera' and 'Sonnambula' are famous all over the world. The museum honouring Vincenzo Bellini, Museo Cicico Belliniani, is one of the nicest in Catania.Address: Piazza San Francesco d'Assisi, 3, CataniaPhone: +39 095 715 05 35Website: http://catania.spacespa.it/museums/19-bellini-museum
At Via Vittoria Emanuele you will find Catania's best kept ruins from Roman times. The Roman Theatre, including gladiator tunnels and the circular auditorium Odeon lie next to each other, surrounded by other buildings.Address: Via Vittorio Emanuele, 266, CataniaPhone: +39 095 7150508
Etna, Europe's largest active volcano, stands about 3,330 metres high between Catania and Taormina. It erupts regularly, most recently in 2012, and since 2002 visitors are not allowed to climb to the top of any of its four craters. Regular buses depart for Etna from Catania.Address: Etna
Sicily played an important role in the liberation from the German occupation during World War II. This museum, the Historical Museum of the Landing in Sicily 1943, displays memories and history from that time, and often leaves its visitors emotionally concerned.Address: Le Ciminiere, Viale Africa, CataniaPhone: +39 095 4012621Opening hours: Closed on Mondays
Come here for a stroll in the beautiful surroundings or a guided tour of the area. Monastero dei Benedettini, from the 16th century, is one of the biggest Benedictine monastery in Europe and is listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Today it hosts a part of the University of Catania and you find it just 10 minutes from the Cathedral square.Address: Piazza Dante, 32, CataniaPhone: +39 095 710 2767Website: http://www.officineculturali.netOpening hours: Open everyday
Teatro Massimo Bellini is the musical heart of the city of Catania. Different types of high- class performances such as ballets and operas are held here continuously and the theatre is well-visited. If you don't find anything that speaks to you but still want to see the beautiful inside of the over 100 year old building, you can go on one of the guided tours.Address: Via Giuseppe Perrotta, 12, CataniaPhone: +39 095 730 6111Website: http://www.teatromassimobellini.it
9 km north of Catania, on the coastline, the small and picturesque town of Aci Castello is located. The castle, which you can't miss while you're here, was built by the Normans in 1076. Today here is a museum for the ones interested in its history. The town also offers breathtaking views over the sea and its surrounding area with beaches.Address: Aci Castello
This theatre, only 5 minutes´ walk from historical centre, is also a museum that is fun for both children and adults. It tells the story behind the typical Sicilian puppet theatre and visitors can both see and hold a puppet. If you wish to watch a show, remember that the repertoire has a break during summer months.Address: Via Cardinale Dusmet, Cineteatro Francesco Alliata, CataniaPhone: +39 095 767 8888Website: http://www.fratellinapoli.it
Etnaland consists of three kinds of amusement parks; one Aqua park with water slides and lots of different pools, one Prehistoric park with replicas of dinosaurs and one Theme park with roller coasters and rides. Here you can easily spend a whole day of fun.Address: Contrada Agnelleria, Belpasso, CataniaPhone: +39 095 791 3333Website: http://www.etnaland.eu
In the pine forest around the Red Mountains close to Etna, this adventure park offers fun for the whole family. Bridges, wires and cables in different forms are hooked in the tree tops to create paths up in the air. There are different levels of difficulty so everyone can find their own challenge. Visitors can also stay on the ground and join the workshops or explore the nature trails and relaxation areas.Address: Goethe, NicolosiPhone: +39 388 755 3812Website: http://www.montirossietnaadventurepark.it
After a lot of walking in the bustling city, a break in a lush green park can be necessary. Giardino Bellini is located just off the Via Etnea in the city centre, and here you can enjoy a quiet moment among plants, trees, statues and fountains.Address: Via Etnea, 292, Catania
At Casa delle Farfalle, the Butterfly House, you can see some of the most beautiful butterflies and flowers in the world. If you want to learn more about these spectacular creatures, join a lesson in biology that is held in the house. The greenhouse is situated in the 30 hectares large Monte Serra Park, just outside the city of Catania.Address: Via Umberto I, 238, Viagrande, CataniaPhone: +39 095 78 90 768Website: http://www.casadellefarfallemonteserra.it
At Ristorante Ambasciata del Mare, traditional Italian fish and seafood dishes are served in a stylish atmosphere, complete with white washed walls and dark furniture. This is the place to go for a fine-dining experience.Address: Piazza Duomo 6/7, CataniaPhone: +39 095 341 003Website: http://www.ambasciatadelmare.it
Costa Azzura gets both its name and its menu from the sea. It also has great views of the harbour in the northern part of Catania.Address: Via De Cristofaro, 4, CataniaPhone: +39 095 494920Website: http://www.ristorantecostaazzurra.it
Oxidiana is located in the heart of the city. They mainly specializes fish – namely sushi. This is not only a restaurant, but also a whole philosophy on how to live life. At least that's what the owners claim.Address: Via Conte Ruggero 4/a, CataniaPhone: +39 095 532 585Website: http://www.oxidiana.it
Don't let the simple interior fool you – this is one of Sicily's best restaurants. La Siciliana is located in the northern part of Catania, close to the city centre and has been around since 1968, owned and run by one family.Address: Viale Marco Polo 52, CataniaPhone: +39 095 376 400Website: http://www.lasiciliana.it
The town of Taormina offers more elegant dining. One of the classics is La Giara. The Art Deco inspired space with breathtaking views is popular for romantic dinners.Address: Vico la Floresta, 1, TaorminaPhone: +39 0942 233 60Website: http://www.lagiarataormina.it
If you make a visit to the town Caltagirone, Ristorante il Locandiere is a good choice for lunch or dinner. This relaxed fish restaurant is known for its delicious seafood appetisers and is very well visited. The staff is helpful and professional and gladly recommend a wine to accompany your meal.Address: Via Don Luigi Sturzo, 55, CaltagironePhone: +39 0933 58292
You can't visit Italy without eating a pizza. Gisira Pizza and Drinks is a popular pizza restaurant in Catania where you can choose from a wide array of fillings and for a different dining experience order your pizza by the meter. The menu also contains a choice of salads, wine, beer and delicious desserts.Address: Via Gisira 62, CataniaPhone: +39 095 349652Website: http://www.gisira.it
It can be a bit tricky to find this family-run gem, but make a try. In a rustic setting, guests can revel in typical Italian dishes to reasonable prices. Their chocolate cake is said to be the best one ever tasted and a must, to finish your dinner in a perfect way.Address: Via Aloi, 50, CataniaPhone: +39 095 216 2222Website: http://www.cataniaruffiana.it
Talè offers typical Sicilian food in large portions at a central location. Friendly staff and the dishes made from fresh ingredients have made this restaurant very popular. Its terrace and trendy bar, gather people in different ages for an apertivo or just a glass of wine.Address: Piazza dei Martiri, 5, CataniaPhone: +39 095 296 8312Website: http://www.ristorantetale.it
When you are craving for something else than the typical Italian cuisine, Sushi Live serves high quality Japanese dishes, with its focus on sushi. The menu gives you about 50 different rolls to choose from together with sashimi, tempura and other hot dishes. Enjoy your meal in the restaurant or as take-away.Address: Via Giuseppe de Felice, 14, CataniaPhone: +39 095 311272Website: http://www.sushilive.it
This small trattoria with checked tablecloths serves authentic Sicilian food to reasonable prices. Fish and seafood and the antipasto buffet are popular choices among the guests here and regulars come here to revel in the home made dishes in a warm and cosy atmosphere.Address: Via Sant'Anna, CataniaPhone: +39 095 715 2492
Just a short walk from the Duomo you find this little restaurant, serving food made of regional products. The top class dishes with meat, fish and pasta together with the home-made bread goes under the 'slow food' mantra that is very typical for the Italian cuisine and guarantee high quality.Address: Via Monsignore Ventimiglia 15, CataniaPhone: +39 095 715 0142
Villa Antonio in Taormina, offers exquisite dining with a breathtaking view. The traditional Sicilian dishes are all beautifully presented and the atmosphere is elegant. To top it all, the staff is also very helpful and treat the guests very professionally.Address: Via Luigi Pirandello, 88, TaorminaPhone: +39 0942 625502Website: http://www.villaantonio.it
Ristorante Ciciulena is something different to the traditional Italian taverna and here you get to experience the new and modern Sicily. The ambience is stylish and the food innovative but still with the Italian roots. If you or someone in your company is on a diet, they also offer a light menu displaying the number of calories.Address: Via Antonino di Sangiuliano, 207, CataniaPhone: +39 095 816 4047Website: http://www.ciciulena.net
At a superb location in a small courtyard in front of a beautiful baroque church, Locanda Cerami serves delicious pizzas, salads and other Italian dishes. There is also an extensive list of beers and wines and the friendly staff do its best to give the guests a lovely dining experience.Address: Via Crociferi, 69, CataniaPhone: +39 095 224 6782Website: http://www.locandacerami.com
Tertulia does not only offer literature from the book store next door but also on occasion you will find live music. This place has a nice and cosy atmosphere.Address: Via Michele Rapisardi 1-3, CataniaPhone: +39 095 715 26 03
In Catania you have to try traditional pastries! Pasticceria Caprice is the right place to do it. They serve everything from delicious sweets, creamy cappuccinos to mouth-watering pizzas and lovely gelato (Italian ice cream).Address: V. Emanuele, 21, CataniaPhone: +39 093 188 28 46Website: http://www.pasticceriacaprice.com
Café Charmant's outdoor patio is a popular venue for dining. Their ice drinks, especially the popular Sicilian drink Granita di Mandorle made of almond milk, water and sugar, are perfect on a hot summer day.Address: Via Etnea 19-23, CataniaPhone: +39 095 715 03 16
This is a great place for tea, coffee or cocktails. Iki Cafe is an original place with a lovely atmosphere and an interesting menu. It is also popular in the evenings and both locals and tourists come here to dine.Address: Santa Filomena, 43, CataniaPhone: +39 095 315 471
If you have a sweet tooth and you have come here, you are in heaven! Indulge in pastries, ice cream and other lovely sweets. Their Canoli go very well together with a glass of locally produced wine.Address: V. Etnea 28, CataniaWebsite: http://www.tabbaccocafe.com
The area around Etna is well suited for producing wine. Try some of the fruits of this labour at the elegant Osteria I Tre Bicchieri wine bar. There are more than 400 different labels to choose from.Address: Via San Giuseppe al Duomo, 27, CataniaPhone: +39 095 715 35 40
This is one of Catania's most original bars. It lies almost 20 metres underground, beneath the Agòra Hostel. If you want to enjoy a drink in a lava cave with water trickling across the floors, this is your place.Address: Piazza Currò 6, CataniaPhone: +39 095 723 30 10Website: http://www.agorahostel.it
Mercati Generali is without a doubt one of Catania's coolest club. Guests can enjoy live music and DJ's. It is located south of the city.Address: Strada Statale 417, CataniaPhone: +39 095 571 458Website: http://www.mercatigenerali.org
This is where you go to enjoy a good glass of wine in a nice environment. Perbacco have a big bar which also offers many delicious cocktails and lighter snacks.Address: V. Vasta 14, CataniaPhone: +39 095 250 3478 Website: http://www.perbaccocatania.it
This is a cool, funky cultural place where you can find live music, a bar, dancing and films. Zo is known as Italy´s cultural pilot project.Address: Piazzale Asia 6, CataniaPhone: +39 095 8168912Website: http://www.zoculture.it
Catania's airport, Fontanarossa (CTA), is located 7 km south-west of the city and handles both domestic and international flights. Buses (AMT Alibus 457) connect the airport to Catania city centre and leaves every 20 minutes from 5.00 am to midnight. A two-hour ticket costs €1 and has to be bought before entering the bus. There are also several other bus companies, operating other cities on Sicily. Etna Trasporti ( +39 095 532716 / http://www.etnatrasporti.it ) drives to Taormina for €5.00. The journey takes 50 minutes. Sais Autolinee ( +39 0935 524111 / http://www.saisautolinee.it/ ) takes travellers to Palermo in 2 1/2 hour for €14.00. Bus tickets can be bought at the currency exchange office or at a newspaper shop inside the airport terminal. A taxi from the airport to the city takes about 15 minutes and costs approx. €25.00. There are taxi ranks outside the airport.Address: Aeroporto CataniaPhone: +39 0957 239 111Website: http://www.aeroporto.catania.itMore info: Prices updated October 2013


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In the often volatile world of the restaurant business, Boone has climbed to national acclaim, landing at 5th in the nation in per capita spending, according to Restaurant Business, the data gathered by Nielsen. Boone jumped from a very respectable 37th last year to land at 5th this year.
The report shows that Ocean Pines, Maryland, the #6 market last year, claimed the top spot. The publication says, "This market includes the state's Atlantic coast, and is home to the popular vacation resort area of Ocean City."
Jumping all the way from the #99 spot in 2012 to the current #2 spot is Findlay, Ohio, tied to the Toledo metropolitan area, where restaurant sales nearly doubled year-over-year. In the #3 spot this year is Liberal, Kansas, "a market more than doubled restaurant sales from last year," according to the publication. Fourth is Sevierville, Tennessee—gateway to Smoky Mountain Nation Park and last year's #3 market—drops to #4. Then there's Boone, jumping from 37th to reach the fifth spot this year. The publication describes Boone as a "tourist destination, drawing 225,000 each year. It's also home to Appalachian State University, which has seen dramatic growth in the last decade and ranks in the top 5 percent for general business growth in Nielsen's BGI. The influx of students and tourists helped drive up its RGI score."
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16 U.S. Code § 2642 - Responsibilities of Secretary
(a) Authority
The Secretary may periodically notify the State regulatory authorities, and electric utilities identified pursuant to section 2612 (c) of this title, of—
(1) load management techniques and the results of studies and experiments concerning load management techniques;
(2) developments and innovations in electric utility ratemaking throughout the United States, including the results of studies and experiments in rate structure and rate reform;
(4) any other data or information which the Secretary determines would assist such authorities and utilities in carrying out the provisions of this chapter; and
(b) Technical assistance
The Secretary may provide such technical assistance as he determines appropriate to assist the State regulatory authorities in carrying out their responsibilities under subchapter II and as is requested by any State regulatory authority relating to the standards established by subchapter II.
(c) Appropriations
There are authorized to be appropriated to carry out the purposes of subsection (b) of this section not to exceed $1,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 1979 and 1980.
(d) Demand response
The Secretary shall be responsible for—
(1) educating consumers on the availability, advantages, and benefits of advanced metering and communications technologies, including the funding of demonstration or pilot projects;
(2) working with States, utilities, other energy providers and advanced metering and communications experts to identify and address barriers to the adoption of demand response programs; and
Source(Pub. L. 95–617, title I, § 132,Nov. 9, 1978, 92 Stat. 3131; Pub. L. 109–58, title XII, § 1252(c), (d),Aug. 8, 2005, 119 Stat. 965.)
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This chapter, referred to in subsec. (a)(4), was in the original "this title", meaning title I (§ 101 et seq.) of Pub. L. 95–617, Nov. 9, 1978, 92 Stat. 3120, which enacted subchapters I to IV of this chapter and section 6808 of Title 42, The Public Health and Welfare, and amended sections 6802 to 6807 of Title 42. For complete classification of title I to the Code, see Tables.
2005—Subsec. (a)(5). Pub. L. 109–58, § 1252(c), added par. (5).
Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 109–58, § 1252(d), added subsec. (d).
Demand Response Assistance
Pub. L. 109–58, title XII, § 1252(e), (f),Aug. 8, 2005, 119 Stat. 965, 966, provided that:
"(e) Demand Response and Regional Coordination.—
"(1) In general.—It is the policy of the United States to encourage States to coordinate, on a regional basis, State energy policies to provide reliable and affordable demand response services to the public.
"(2) Technical assistance.—The Secretary [of Energy] shall provide technical assistance to States and regional organizations formed by two or more States to assist them in—
"(A) identifying the areas with the greatest demand response potential;
"(B) identifying and resolving problems in transmission and distribution networks, including through the use of demand response;
"(C) developing plans and programs to use demand response to respond to peak demand or emergency needs; and
"(D) identifying specific measures consumers can take to participate in these demand response programs.
"(3) Report.—Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 [Aug. 8, 2005], the [Federal Energy Regulatory] Commission shall prepare and publish an annual report, by appropriate region, that assesses demand response resources, including those available from all consumer classes, and which identifies and reviews—
"(A) saturation and penetration rate of advanced meters and communications technologies, devices and systems;
"(B) existing demand response programs and time-based rate programs;
"(C) the annual resource contribution of demand resources;
"(D) the potential for demand response as a quantifiable, reliable resource for regional planning purposes;
"(E) steps taken to ensure that, in regional transmission planning and operations, demand resources are provided equitable treatment as a quantifiable, reliable resource relative to the resource obligations of any load-serving entity, transmission provider, or transmitting party; and
"(F) regulatory barriers to improve customer participation in demand response, peak reduction and critical period pricing programs.
"(f) Federal Encouragement of Demand Response Devices.—It is the policy of the United States that time-based pricing and other forms of demand response, whereby electricity customers are provided with electricity price signals and the ability to benefit by responding to them, shall be encouraged, the deployment of such technology and devices that enable electricity customers to participate in such pricing and demand response systems shall be facilitated, and unnecessary barriers to demand response participation in energy, capacity and ancillary service markets shall be eliminated. It is further the policy of the United States that the benefits of such demand response that accrue to those not deploying such technology and devices, but who are part of the same regional electricity entity, shall be recognized."
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