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Now that we've covered a sweeping selection of must-have fall boots and skirts in our previous installments of Market Watch, it's time to round out your seasonal wardrobe and hone in on the next autumnal necessity: sweaters. With the wide assortment of options out there, we know firsthand that the task of deciding which knit essential to buy can seem overwhelming. Good news: we combed the market for the season's top sweater trends and gathered the best styles for you to try now. Yes, there are some splurges in the mix, but we found affordable options too, which means there's a sweater for everyone and every budget in today's picks.
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The F/W 12 runways featured an eclectic array of sweaters, including the perfect reference point for today's roundup: Michael Kors' Ecru Handknit Wool Aran Longsleeve Turtleneck ($1295). On its own, Kors' high-end take on the humble fisherman's sweater is deliciously cozy, but it works well with fancier pieces too. When paired with a delicate Gold Metallic Chantilly Lace Cascade Skirt ($6995) and Saddle Leather Thick Cross Strap Sandals ($1095, 866.709.KORS), the resulting outfit is casually glamorous and appropriate for a surprisingly wide range of occasions.
If your sweater collection is currently stocked with all the basics, consider investing in one with 3-D detailing. These subtle statement-makers are an easy way to introduce texture into your repertoire. Since they often demand the spotlight, keep the rest of your ensemble minimal with a pair of standard tuxedo pants for a polished finish.
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Stella McCartney Textured Alpaca-Blend Sweater ($2090)
Levi's Loopy Pullover Sweater ($88) in Seed Pearl
Rebecca Taylor Fringe Mesh Pullover ($395)
From Burberry Prorsum to Paul & Joe, animal prints--whether they're single, oversized graphics or patterns--are making their mark on fall fashion. These novelty pieces are great contrasted with sleek and sophisticated pieces, such as a leather pencil skirt and patent heels.
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C. Wonder Scottie Dog Intarsia Sweater ($78)
Madewell Counting Sheep Sweater ($108)
Sonia by Sonia Rykiel Intarsia Wool and Raccoon-Blend Sweater ($495)
Sweaters with distinctive digital designs and patchwork prints are like a grown-up version of graphic t-shirts. In other words, they offer an easy way to increase intrigue in a humdrum closet. In keeping with their fashion-forward look, style them with a pair of printed jeans for a look-at-me-now outcome.
Our picks:
Topshop Knitted Battenburg Jumper (84)
3.1 Phillip Lim Digital Brindle Pullover ($450)
Alexander Wang Cropped Metallic Frayed Pullover ($395)
The versatility of a comfortable-yet-elegant fisherman knit makes this sweater a closet essential every year. Take a cue from the Michael Kors runway and juxtapose its casual vibe with a delicate skirt, or embrace its rustic roots and pair it with corduroys and rugged boots for the weekend.--Nicole Shoohed
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Joseph Cable-Knit Wool-Blend Sweater ($695)
Reiss Priestly Twisted Colour Jumper ($210)


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In all his 400 years, Rayven never met a woman like Rhianna McLeod. She is a vision of light, of warmth, of everything he is not - nor can ever be. Doomed to live forever in darkness and solitude, he knows all too well the risk in getting close to her, yet he hungers for her with a fierce passion he swears he will never allow himself to feel.
Rhianna's father sold her to Rayven to put food on the table so she had no choice but to go with the dark stranger. To her surprise, he gives her everything she wants: the finest clothes, education, and the run of the castle - everything, that is, except his touch. For although she senses danger beneath the soft-spoken manner, although even Rayven himself warns her to stay away, she is drawn to this creature of the night, and loves him as she will no other.
Amanda Ashley is a New York Times and USA Today bestselling author. She is the winner of numerous awards, including a Romantic Times Career Achievement Award. She has published more than 40 novels in a 25 year writing career. Writing as both Amanda Ashley and MadelineBaker, she has been published by Signet, NAL, Dorchester, Kensington and Zebra Books.
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"Amanda Ashley is a masterful storyteller. This novel is so rich in sensuality and imagery that readers will be entranced by this haunting tale of a vampire who finds love too late and the woman who may savehim from the darkness. This is one keeper..." (Romantic Times)
One Unique Reader
"I jus needed something..."
The story was well written and I didn't find myself bored with a lot of unnecessary fluff
This book is very similar to every other vamp book you've ever read.
Yes and that's about all she did properly. Her cadence was all wrong and the voice she used for the leading male was awful... didn't appeal or give any desirability
Just an ordinary vamp falling for an ordinary girl…
This is a good read if you're bored and just need something..
hey :-) My name is Camilla
"A positive surprise"
This book was a positive surprise.
I bought it on an impulse and I was quite surprised to find that this is quite good.
It's not the best book But it is still it's okay,
"Slightly Disappointed"
In the middle
If I say it will spoil the story for others
I had previously read the paperback and loved it. The audio version seems too slow for the first half of the story. I almost quit, but am very glad I didn't, the second half more than made up for the first half.
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"Beautifully written and sensually narrated story"
The narrator's sensuous way of telling the story. Not sure why some of the listener comments hate her 'cadence' - this is a story taking place in a different country and era, and she fitted her voice to the author's writing style, characters and timeframe perfectly.
Hearing the different accents (Irish, French/Russian? and Italian) was enjoyable too. Not always perfect, but nicely done and distinctive.
Yes, it is beautifully written prose, but the back and forth between the two main characters (he wants her; he pushes her away; he begs her to stay; she is scared, then changes her mind, stands her ground, etc.) was a little much sometimes.
I think this story would be even nicer in an abridged version. And it was nice to listen to a vampire story that took place in another time (1840's Ireland) versus a lot of the modern day vampire stories floating around these days.
Rhianna as the woman who loved the vampire Rayven so much, she was willing to become a vampire to be with him forever. Then her mom was another favorite :-)
Toward the end with Ravyen's ancient vampire friend, Salvatore in the chapel - but if I have say exactly what it is, it will spoil the wonderful ending for new listeners of Amanda Ashley!
Nice to see this award winning author's older best sellers come into audio form.
I love being swept away by a new romance and thankfully Audible's ever growing Library means I get to indulge myself over and over again
I love AA's work USUALLY but, although the storyline was good, it seemed to be repetitive and slow. In my opinion it should have been a much shorter book.
Then there's the bad narration - PAY ATTENTION PUBLISHERS - read the reviews of the people who buy and actually try to listen to these books 'cause the narrator WILL make or break a book and this one nearly broke it so be warned.
Worth a credit? What can I say, I listened on double speed and even then it seemed to drag on but I liked the storyline - so it's 50/50.
OK. I get that yes a turned vampire might have issues about being seen as a "monster", and I can understand that any woman would see a vampire as a "monster". But just as I think these two individuals have come to terms with the whole vampire thing, one of them runs away... and then the pleading starts... "Please don't send me away".. "Please don't leave me".... By the end of this book I just wanted to scream "Just seperate for good and be done with it will you!!!"....
and if that damned vampire/narrator said "Rhianna" one more time..... God help me.
And the narrator made Rhianna sound like a whining little brat.
I was fair though, and listened to the end... but never again.
"I LIKE Amanda Ashley - BUT I disliked this a LOT"
I'm not sure if it was the author or the reader being SO horrible that I couldn't like the book or maybe this was one of her earlier books - I just don't know..
Absolutely NOT! Between her horrible presentation, her ridiculous accents (he sounded more like a pirate than an elegant haunted vampire and she sounded just bland) and her mispronouncing of VERY common words - YUCK!
"Read the book"
I really struggled with this audible. I have never openly bagged a narrators performance before but this book in its written firm was quite enjoyable but as an audio book with this narrator nearly appalling. To say that i struggled to finish listening to it would be an understatement inv the end I had to finish it in kindle form I just couldn't listen to the heating commentary anymore. The matador was far too dramatic and I do not feel that she understood the characters at all. In my opinion a good narration enhances the story, it is in the telling if it that you lose yourself over to the story. In this instance it felt like nails on a chalk board. Do yourself a favor, get the kindle version and skip the audio.
Short fuse
"Badly written, appallingly read.Couldn't finish it"
Nothing could salvage this
Narrator sounded like Ralphie from The Simpsons,faking (badly) an Irish accent. Wildly wrong for a story set in the south of England. Giving the heroine a child-like voice made it even more annoying.
None whatsoever
I'd have found a 'phone-book more entertaining.
"Narrator ruined this from the very first sentence"
I was really looking forward to listening to this book. The narrator's horrible reading ability and embarrassing attempts at accents makes you almost feel sorry for her.....almost. At least she got paid for the job. I actually paid to listen to her. Now that's embarrassing!
I have listened to lots of audio books but never have i wanted the main character to die so the book would stop, i have tried to overcome to robotic style of reading and the insipid story but have had to give in as its sending me to sleep, DO NOT SPEND YOUR MONEY ON THIS!!!
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I think New York Ranger Coach Alain Vigneault said it best
when he called the criminal schedule that the Rangers have had to play
"the stupid schedule" and he is being nice. I don't have to be when
only one team is asked to play back to back games in connective series or five
games in seven nights. Excuse me while I have a special finger (hint it is the
one in the middle) to point at the real culprits here who are the NHL and the
folks at Comcast/NBC.
The NHL has allowed itself to be pimped out by Comcast/NBC
for the TV contract they have and have basically allowed TV to decide when
games are played. A Sunday afternoon game on Easter Sunday just so NBC could
have a game rather than scheduling it at night.
The Rangers and Philadelphia Flyers have to play two key
games on back to back nights? The deciding game no less with the winner getting
a night off before getting to play the first three games of their next series
in four days.
Why couldn't game one of this series have taken place on
Saturday evening instead of Friday night? It isn't like NBC has a strong "must
see" schedule anymore that they couldn't have played this game in prime time
heck even on NBC.
No got to have it on Friday night (long considered a doormat
of a night for TV) so you can have a Sunday evening game. But why force the
Rangers to play a second set of back to back games.
The answer might have to do with had they went with a Tuesday
for game 3 and a Thursday for game 4 then Comcast/NBC would have seen the Ranger
game going up against the NFL Draft and it's first round on Thursday. Now there is must see TV if I ever saw one
The Rangers and their fans got screwed here by the NHL and
their TV pimps. There is a rather nasty saying that goes right here about
getting kissed but I won't say it to spare poor Dan some grey hairs.
As for the game, even when I tried to use my fast forward
the Rangers were skating slowly. There was nothing on their shots and sorry
while people will say there was an effort by the team sorry it wasn't much of
You hold the Pittsburgh Penguins to just 15 shots and it is
your team that winds up getting shut out? Wow that alone screams volumes about
how this supposed "effort" wasn't there.
I really wish the NHL would steal from the QMJHL a stat that
would be way more revealing than just your shots on goal. It is called "dangerous
shots" which measures whether or not you shot had a chance of leading to a
goal. Put that in and people will see how meaningless shots on goal really is.
Got to have the required "Blame Rick Nash" portion of the
blog as the 7.8 million dollar player was all of 4 shots with 2 giveaways in
19:51 of ice time. We are now up to 26
career games with just 2 playoff goals for Rick Nash and barring a miracle it
may be safe to say that Nash is never going to win the Conn Smythe Trophy as a
But let us not jump on Nash alone because he has some
company as Marty St. Louis is pointless in 5 games, Brad Richards since his
1-2-3 in game 1 against the Flyers is 2-2-2 in 9 games, Derek Stepan is the
same as St. Louis with no points in his last 5 games and Carl Hagelin at least
is 1-1-2 in his last 5 games.
While the Penguin players are putting their "big boy pants
on" to quote Alain Vigneault, the Rangers are just not putting any pants on as
they keep coming up empty. And before we forget the coach Alain Vigneault doesn't
escape this blame game either as the "offensive wiz" has a team that can't
score on the power play or now even at even strength or if you haven't
recognized it that is John Tortorella Tom Renney defense being
used out there against the Penguins.
How else are the Rangers holding the Penguins to just 15
shots? Isn't it so amazing that the more you say you are changing that the more
you wind up playing the same?
No the series is not over but it sure looks like the same
kind of script is being written for why the Rangers will once again fall in the
playoffs. No offense, no power play, and no consistent effort.
I wonder who I think should be blamed for that?


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Not yet, but I'm gonna try to get one in tomorrow before the ice storms come
I've used it every chance I've had though
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|Written by Mike Kelly
|Friday, 01 April 2011 09:12
Watauga High baseball coach Pete Hardee has announced that Saturday's non-conference game with North Davidson has been postponed because of inclement weather.
No make up date has been announced. Hardee hopes to reschedule the game, either on a Wednesday night, or on Saturday, April 23. It's only the second time the Pioneers have had a game called off this season. The Pioneers (8-3 overall; 4-2 and tied for second place in the Northwestern 3A/4A Conference) had their game with Providence rained out down in Charlotte last Saturday. No make up date has been announced for that game, either.
And according to WHS Athletics Director Tom Wright, the WHS-South Caldwell baseball, softball, and soccer games scheduled for this Tuesday night have been rescheduled and will be played on Monday instead, due to next week's weather forecast. A 60% chance of rain and thunderstorms are in the forecast for Tuesday. Our coverage of the WHS-South Caldwell baseball game Monday night begins at 6 pm on Oldies 100.7 FM.
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Ra. One
A father trying hard to 'fit-in' in his son's badass world. A son trying hard to 'dude-up' his dad from 'aiiiyyyo' to 'Yo!' And a mother lost in translation between her husband's 'ingeva' and her son's 'inn'it!' While Shekhar was trying every trick in the book to woo his son, get 'dude-ified' and 'up his coolness quotient' his son had given up on him. Just when the father-son duo hit a deadlock, Shekhar strikes gold when he designs one hell of a game. Finally it all starts falling into place, as the family comes together, only to find themselves in the middle of a crash...not just a hard drive crash but a crash that would drive them to a disaster and make their lives go - KABOOM! All hell breaks loose when - the game that was meant to be played with starts playing them. Ra.one - The next level.
Cast: Arjun Rampal, Kareena Kapoor, Shahrukh Khan, Shah Rukh Khan
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is there anyway for me to use the use this save on my ps3 and also heard if you do it from ftp or something it doesn't get corrupted. PLZ help and plz don't say "just play the game or something i'm seriously not gonna start over.. THE 3RD TIME!!... so if anyone has a way plz reply thx
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Ok, so I kinda hate the draft. It's absolutely, positively crucial to a baseball team's success. And from that perspective, as one of the feeder elements of a team's development system, and thus it's long-term success, I love it. However, I find it difficult to cover: all of my information is all second-hand. I see between zero and 10 amateur games annually, and this year it was zero.
Moreover, as much as I want to trust other media, it too is filled with misleading information this time of year. Most amateur scouting reports are a mile or two hot on the fastball. All these reports of plus breaking balls? Cute, but where are those plus offerings when the pitcher reaches the minor leagues?
Alright, so the Mets have picks at #12 and #35 tonight.
With the the #12 pick, if he's on the board, and if he's remotely signable, I think the team should take Lucas Giolito. He was projected to be in the draft's top three before he strained his UCL back in March. His upside is just impossible to ignore. He's huge (6'6″) throws in the mid-upper 90s, and has this breaking ball.
There are two problems with Giolito: healthy and money. The health is obvious. He has not pitched this spring. His UCL strain could necessitate Tommy John surgery. And I'm ok with that. So he does not pitch in 2012. He'll be back in 2013. As a high school right-hander, he's a few years from the big leagues anyway. The money is, perhaps, the larger issue. Had he been taken in the top three of the draft, his slot would have been over $5.2 million. The Mets' first round slot is $2.5 million and their total draft allocation is $7.1. Were they to spend even up to $3.6 million on Giolito, They would have $3.5 million left in the pool. Signing a supplemental first rounder would be another $1.5. That leaves them ~$2 million for 10 more picks in the top 10 rounds. Could it be done? Absolutely? Would the team need to sacrifice talent for savings in rounds 2-10? Yes. Is Giolito worth it? To my eyes, for a potential top of the rotation starter, yes.
The afternoon rumor is that Jays are interested in Giolito at #17. They're working with a total bonus pool of $8.83 for 14 picks. If the Jays can make that work, so can the Mets.
Failing Giolito, my preference would be for the Mets to chase upside. Whether that's 3B Corey Seager, or OF Courtney Hawkins or David Dahl, or RHP Lance McCullers or someone else with a plus two or two to dream on and some projection. I don't think there's enough star-level projection in SS Gavin Cecchini to warrant popping at #12.
The recent mock drafts and projections have seen the Mets move away from college arms, but if they do go college arm, I'd take the plus fastball of Marcus Stroman of Duke over the changeup of Michael Wacha of Texas A&M.
The pick at #35 will be determined by the budget allocation decisions around #12, and the immediately preceding picks.


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Quote of the Day, By Michael
Let "a" be the proposition, "A deity exists." Then "~a" denotes its negation "No deities exist." If theism is S = {a}, atheism is the empty set {}, NOT the set T = {~a}.
Let "a" be the proposition, "A deity exists." Then "~a" denotes its negation "No deities exist." If theism is S = {a}, atheism is the empty set {}, NOT the set T = {~a}.
Labels: "Quote of the Day"
This is brilliant!
But it is taking a leap of faith that no one else has something better to say in the next 13 hours. I mean to say...What if DM shows up?
It isn't clear what rides on these discussions.
Getting at the quote in the post, it is a confused mixture of Boolean logic and set theory. If 'a' is truly a proposition, then atheists endorse the negation of that proposition, which is ~a. That's trivial within Boolean logic.
It's probably easiest to clean up the confusion by keeping it all in the language of set theory.
In the atheist's ontology, the set of gods is empty, while in the theist's ontology the set is nonempty. The sets don't include propositions at all, but objects (in this case gods).
So G={g} vesus G=Ø are the two competing claims, where g is not a proposition but an object.
In real conversations, it would probably be more useful to use an instance of this set theoretic claim in a real argument. E.g., Is your not believing in Zeus a religion?
On the other hand, 'religion' is a complex category defined along many dimensions. Many atheists fall on the 'religious' side of the values in that polydimensional semantic space.
It is easy to imagine not collecting stamps being a hobby (e.g., an anti-philatelist union could form, with meetings where people talk about the stupidity of stamp collecting).
I could also easily imagine groups of atheists forming that would satisfy many of the criteria of being a religion. You could get together every Sunday, have rituals to reinforce your belief that there are no gods, go door to door to spread this belief, etc..
However, not believing in gods is not sufficient to count one as being a member of a religion. More information would be needed about you before such a claim could be made.
Oh snap! Just rolls off the tongue.
This reminds me of a constant debate my friends and I have concerning "Big A Atheist" vs "Little a atheist," i.e. believing in the lack of existence of a God, vs the lack of a belief in the existence of God. People act like it's trivial, but I find it to be a very meaningful topic.
My thoughts on the topic:
C'mon BDK...
It is NOT easy to imagine a "club" that forms discussing the stupidity of collecting stamps. You seem to be exceptionally deluded.
Philosophy[in your case imagination] is nothing but mental masturbation when it does not correspond to that annoying little thing we collectively agree to define as "reality". Just as masturbation, plz proceed to do it alone, and don't fill us in on the details.
Whatever... (They're all sets, that's the point. They're not something else).
If I understand correctly, this quote basically says atheism does not have any propositions!
hmm! Is that a proposition? Where does it belong? in set S or T? or {}?
BTW, here are some examples of empty set from google search,
"The set of dogs with six legs"
"The set of squares with 5 sides" , etc
By definition the reality described by the empty set does not exsit; So if atheism is empty set, then
the reality described by this empty set (atheism) does not exit !!! Which implies God exists!!!
I'm bucking for the next "Quote of the Day":
Are the pancakes any more nutritious because we bowed our heads, closed our eyes, folded our hands together and mumbled some words over them?
But seriously, folks...
If not, then how does anyone "manufacture" holy water? Or how does a Baptism have any effect? Or how does a recitation of the Last Rites help a mortally wounded soldier, other than to give him some small comfort as he awaits death?
And if spoken words have no effect other than what we ALLOW, then how do written words at some further remove from actualization have any authority over us except in that we ALLOW them to?
The oldest gospel (according to most biblical scholars) is Mark. Mark doesn't say anything about a virgin birth.
Matthew and Luke are widely regarded as embellishments on Mark, and both are commonly accepted to have been written late in the first century (c. 80-100 CE), and both give accounts of a virgin birth that neither of them could possibly have been around to know of firsthand.
Isaiah 7:14 used "almah", 'young woman', mistranslated "parthenos" in the LXX (and doesn't even refer to a future messiah), and now we have Matt and Luke proclaiming fulfilled prophecy, taken COMPLETELY out of context, and perpetuated in the Nicene Creed.
I'm convinced... NOT.
GearHedEd, maybe the next day. I have already chosen tomorrow's quote from a chapter I'm writing for my next book. It's scheduled to be published in exactly one hour and 32 minutes. ;-)
You ask how to manufacture holy water? It's easy...
h2o = water
h2omg = holy water
(I cannot take credit for coming up with this, but I also cannot remember who to give credit to.)
pink_monkey said:
It is NOT easy to imagine a "club" that forms discussing the stupidity of collecting stamps. You seem to be exceptionally deluded.
pink_monkey, your crippled imagination is duly noted.
It is not easy to imagine a "club" that forms discussing the stupidity of theism. Oh. Wait.
My point was that merely knowing someone doesn't collect stamps isn't sufficient to know if not collecting stamps is a hobby for that person. If the person indeed started an anti-philatelist association and went door to door talking about this pastime, then it would count as a hobby.
I gave a similar argument about atheism and religion.
"I gave a similar argument about atheism and religion." O RLY
no kidding, I find them weak at best. Again it is NOT easy to imagine a "club" that forms to discuss the idiocy of collecting stamps. Let me qualify that with in reality, since you seem to miss the point. Just as before, that's a very important qualification. In short, religion and hobbies are not analogous for reasons you pointed out yourself.
Atheism is the empty set. "a" does not exist in the atheist ontology, there is no possible way to endorse it's negation. Quit starting w/ the Theist worldview as the positive a priori. There is not even the proposition that deities exist w/in the Atheist paradigm. We're only defined as the opposite of theists[a-theists] precisely because theism enjoys special truth claims in this world. We don't start w/ "a" in an atheistic worldview and choose to not believe in it. There never was an "a". The theists have invented a set "a" for which the negation is meaningless. "Religious" Atheism [whatever that may mean] would be something else entirely.
object or proposition who cares can we really even put the God concept in words? Just because someone dreams up a whimsical set "a" that there is no evidence for in reality, I am not included in a set of those subscribing to "~a" because I reject their fantastical ideas. That's silly and meaningless. What I am is a member of an empty set, and they're just crazy. o0
And yes, I agree, this discussion is pointless.
cheers BDK.
If your life was really free of ideas about gods you would not be at this site.
BDK, I've had enough of your ignorance, not just here but elsewhere. Ignorance is what people express who try to force all people into conformity and force out diversity. Ignorance is a cookie cutter mentality, a church mentality, or groupthinking mentality. No, you're not ignorant about everything so don't expressed more ignorance about that which I just claimed.
You really think everyone should be like you, don't you? That's ignorance. What's further, it is complete and utter ignorance to say that people who are different than you are ignorant because they are different than you.
PZ Myers is an educated intelligent militant atheist and I posted a link to one of his talks recently. It is nonsensical for you to claim that more mature atheists should just lay back and not be passionate about their atheist because you are.
Get a grip. We are a diverse crowd. Take your cookie cutter utterly ignorant mentality elsewhere.
Loftus: you missed the point and overreacted.
pink_monkey suggested that atheists have the absence of a belief in gods, not a positive belief that there are no gods. My response was that this site would attract few such "weak" atheists.
Where is my ignorance exactly?
Also, you are confused about what I dislike. I don't mind militant atheists at all. I think Dawkins is incredibly entertaining and witty, have enjoyed the work of Harris.
What I mind is your willingness to substitute name-calling for real argument, your tendency to overstate the originality and strength of the arguments that you do present (e.g., the outsider test). You are just awful at the give-and-take of real argumentation, as evidenced by how you dealt with Reppert/McGrew recently. I mind that you hypocritically hammer people that you think don't have credentials, but then act as if your lack of serious specialization (i.e., PhD) shows you are some kind of intellectual jack of all trades poised to be especially damaging to the Christian philosophy. The shameless plugging of your books doesn't do anything for your credibility either, whether or not it helps sales.
So, John, my problem isn't militant atheists: it's you. You are taking on the roll of a public face of atheism, and you make us look arrogant and incapable of logical argument. It is embarrassing to have you out there implicitly representing something I believe personally, and doing such a crappy job of it.
With your actions on the blogosphere, you are giving the Christians as much ammunition as you think you are giving them doubt. You are to atheism what that crazy communist lady on the corner handing out 9-11 conspiracy pamphlets is to progressivism.
BDK, I did over-react, yes, because you are a buffoon and I'm tired of you. You do not know enough about me to be able to make those claims.
It never crosses your mind that the reason Christians attack me is because they think I'm a threat, does it? And it never crosses your puny mind that I have an ugly history with certain Christian people on the web, does it? And it never crosses your puny mind that I have tried various ways to deal with Christians who have verbally assaulted me to no avail. And it never crosses your puny mind how often I am personally attacked. And so it never crosses your puny mind how you would respond if you were me. You see, they don't just call my arguments ignorant and utterly stupid, which they do. They also repeatedly mischaracterize my arguments to show that they are stupid. They also call me a wicked person and make up stuff up about me that isn't true. Which you have bought into the smear campaign.
You are the ignorant one, completely ignorant about me. Stay away from here. Wear it as a badge.
I may be ignorant about you personally, but not about how you appear on the web. That's what I was talking about.
Appearances can be deceiving. Read through DC if you care to be informed. There is a Christian smear campaign against me and it has convinced people I am what they say.
And so just because Reppert and Hays have agreed to settle their own personal war by agreeing to attack me doesn't mean that I must respond civilly to these attacks which have gone on now for over four years on a weekly and at some points even a daily basis.
All you do is step into one of these threads and see something going on at the end of years of abuse. Couple that with what you read elsewhere stemming first from Christians and then form skeptics who have bought into it you think you found the evidence you need to believe it.
You haven't. You are shooting me from the rear just exactly like Christians who fear me have hoped for.
I have been posting and reading at Vic's blog since 2005. My first post there I was basically a dick (it is in this thread and then I realized that Victor wasn't your typical ostrich evangelical Christian I ended up apologizing).
He is a fair interlocutor, I have clashed with him many times quite vociferously. While I have not convinced him I am right, he has shown sensitivity to my arguments over time, revised his claims, at least shown a good-faith effort to engage with the arguments. He seems to have done the same with you, but I am less tuned in than you, admittedly.
I have never seen him mock or ridicule you. Maybe he hasn't read your book, or done all the historical scholarship (at least that's what you and others claim about him: I wouldn't know, frankly). But that is very different from "abuse". If you were talking about Bill Valicella I'd buy it, but Victor? Come on.
Okay, then, maybe not abuse, but Vic baits me by micharacterizing me. There are circles people run in and Vic runs with Steve Hays. Hays posted something against every single post I made for about six months, calling it trash, garbage, and filled with idiocies. That's every single post for about six months. Vic eventually adopted Hays attitude toward my arguments and decided my book was probably nothing new based on what Hays wrote and probably stupid too. Now if you know anything at all about Hays there are no good arguments against his faith. They are all stupid or they have been refuted a long time ago.
Basically Vic accepted Hay's judgment about my arguments without reading my book.
So here's how it's worked ever since. Vic posts something that mischaracterizes my position (because he has not read my book and takes snippets from my blog), I respond, Steve attacks. Vic knows Steve will respond as do I. Why do I respond to this baiting? Because I do not want to be mischaracterized by someone like Vic who is a Christian philosopher, especially since I consider him ignorant.
Now you have seen what you've seen in the midst of this history and you have concluded my arguments are ignorant based upon Vic's judgements who has not read my book(s) because of the judgment of Hays who thinks all arguments against his faith are stupid ones.
And so after I answer them sometimes I go there to blast them. It's like the proverb "don't cast your pearls before the swine. Although, I've decided not to do so ever again. They can take more potshots but I don't plan on responding. They deserve each other. And if you stay there you all deserve each other.
OK: what is the worst mischaracterization of what you say, and what is the source of the original argument that they are mischaracterizing? I do remember Hays tends to write long-winded crazy rambles, and did recently at the post where you got a bit out of control. Hayes ≠ Reppert, of course, but Reppert does like to get conversations going between people that disagree.
Vic is extremely critical of Hays as well. They have attacked one another's ideas quite often (e.g., about Calvinism/determinism). It seems you are reading too much into it.
my point BDK was that we wouldn't be forced to have a strong belief in the non existence of deities if the Theist worldview wasn't so entrenched. We are forced to a meaningless negation a priori. In reality we are the empty set. In western society we are the set "~a" despite the fact that the set "a" does not exist so there can be no negation. Get it?
And I didn't come here because of my lack of belief in God's, it was quite the opposite. I, like many here, came because the house of cards that is Christianity began displaying cracks. John's books and his blog, as well as the many spirited "commenters" here helped me to transition to a declaratory Atheistic position. Family and friends don't always take too kindly to my position so it can be nice to read and discuss ideas w/ the people who frequent this site. They are not all militant Atheists, and John did not design this site for Militant Atheism explicitly. He designed it for people like me, and Chuck, and Hendy, people who were "snowed" and began to see the light w/o the delusion. I am grateful for this site, and others like it across the web, as well as the people who frequent them. We need to combat the misinformation. That's really the purpose here, despite the fact that tempers often flair[c'mon...dealing w/ creotards is hardly easily done]. So thank you John for your efforts, you have helped me, and I appreciate that. I don't think John gets thanked quite often enough.
That being said we need Militant Atheists, and I tend to be one most times. At least the discussion is becoming more widespread and hopefully Atheism less of a dirty word. Force is necessary for movements to take a foothold, history illustrates this beautifully. The cracks in Theism are being exposed, and w/ any luck we will one day exist in a society where Militant Atheism is unnecessary. We truly will be the empty set that thus far eludes us. I "pray" that day comes, but today is not it.
And lighten up on John. Anyone who knows anything about Atheists knows that we can hardly be represented by one person[the theists know this too]. We are by nature an eclectic mix. Find contentment in the fact that John and others are speaking out to make Atheistic views more acceptable w/in society. I feel privileged to live in this moment, in the thick of this movement. Humankind will finally break free from it's Theist shackles, and that's really what we all want. Stand with them, applaud them, thank them.
@ Emory,
That's good.
What my rant was about was, of course, the disconnect between stylized sound waves in the air, or stylized lines on a page having some ultimate "authority" over how we conduct our lives.
The gist is that we must agree to ascribe meanings to the symbologies of speech and writing. But listen up, Christians:
You don't get to command anyone to agree with you.
John said,
"GearHedEd, maybe the next day..."
Please, call me 'Ed'. Putting the full handle out there is like saying Richard Milhous Nixon III when "Dick" will do just fine.
(I know: 'That's what SHE said...)
BDK said'
"...It is not easy to imagine a "club" that forms discussing the stupidity of theism. Oh. Wait."
Theism is stupid whether or not there are "clubs" dedicated to pointing out it's stupidity...
If {a} = theism and { } = atheism , then what DOES {~a} equal ?
An answer would be much appreciated.
For Ana:
The set {~a} would denote someone who is anti-God (against an extant God), as opposed to the proper atheist empty set { }.
ty ed.
she obviously didn't read the full thread; at least not the parts where I think I properly explained that.
I'm sick of the a priori assumption; it rears it's ugly head again on the Hawking quote[cneil pts it out nicely].
and sorry ed for not including you in my rant to brad/noc about outspoken ppl from this site. You have made too many good points to be excluded. I forgot you since you're relatively new[as I am to you], but I've been lurking quite awhile.
And "no", christian trolls, I am not a figment of John's imagination. I know he gets accused of that now and again when someone shows up in his defense. First off, i'm not his style...secondly, he really is a likable guy and I really do appreciate his work. To your chagrin, people like me really do exist, and in masses. You'll be hearing from us more and more. Thank "God".
i just wanted to say that I love gandolf[and no i'm not really[at least Loftus didn't make to behave in that way] the bi-curious sam from lord of the rings]. Too many [ ]...shoulda used a { } or ( )... keep on keepin on gandy, you have my full support.
also, sorry for forgetting you too shane...i seem to be fairly forgetful.
sry guys and ty, gj[i should say gg since the theists have reduced it to that]. 0o
According to the original quote:
"~a" denotes... "No deities exist."
In cases where an atheist ( and in my experience, this does happen, and quite often at that) states
" God does not exist";
" God is fiction" ;
" There is no such thing as God ";
why does he/she insist on laying claim to set { } and reject being characterized by set {~a} ?
p.s. keeping in mind the other critique I have of the original quote:
( if "a" means "A deity exists", then "~a" should mean "The said deity does not exist", NOT, " no deities exist").
you need to re-read this thread and then direct your comments at me, since i made the post you are referring to. You don't seem to be comprehending my argument.
Are you aware of what an a priori assumption of God entails?
Seen through a purely atheistic ontology god does not exist. There is no negating any deities from this perspective. The set is empty and {a} or {~a} are meaningless. Because the majority of western society accepts the set {a} a priori, and coerces us atheists into a set {~a}, this says nothing about the actual atheistic worldview. Get it now?
you really should still reread this thread for comprehension. it's you christians that force militant atheism upon yourselves.
>>You need to re-read this thread and then direct your comments at me, since I made the post you are referring to.<<
It is useful to re-read parts of this thread. It is not useful to re-read the full thread, as not all posts are directly related to my question.
And my questions/ comments can be directed towards ANYONE (not just you) who does say something to which my question relates.
I find it curious that you said (in reference to my first post):
"she obviously didn't read the full thread; at least not the parts where I think I properly explained that."
pink_monkey, tell me what statement of yours had answered the question:
"If {a} = theism and { } = atheism , then what DOES {~a} equal ?"
(anotherway to have put it: What term describes a person belonging to set {~a}? )
FYI, Complaining about the 'meaninglessness' of two of the sets does not answer the question.
I appreciate GearHedEd's response to me (though I disagree with it) because HE began with :
"The set {~a} would denote someone..."
Which is an good example of an answer that is RIGHT TO THE POINT.
>>Because the majority of western society accepts the set {a} a priori, and coerces us atheists into a set {~a}...<<
It does not coerce you, as an a priori assumption entails 3 options:
1) Agreement
2) Uncertainty
3) Disagreement
Disagreement <=> {~a}
The point I was making in my second post, is that there are atheists who speak out of both sides of their mouth.
On the one hand saying " I don't have positive belief in the non-existence of God, I merely lack belief in God" (thus claiming an empty set) and on the other hand saying that "God is the result of human imagination ."
To claim that something is the result of imagination, is a euphemism for saying something is not real. IF YOU ARE GOING TO CLAIM THAT SOMETHING IS NOT REAL, YOU ARE ASSERTING ~a.
If you MERELY claim, that something is UNPROVEN (which is very different from DISPROVEN), then you DO NOT fall under the set {~a}.
If people are going to use the concepts of unproven and disproven interchangeably, then they ought not be offended when they are characterized by set {~a}.
Ana said,
According to the original quote:
"~a" denotes... "No deities exist.""
Also see Blue Devil Knight's first post in this thread, which pointed out the "confused mixture of Boolean logic and set theory" in Michael's original statement that you quoted (and the original thread which is linked to on the main page).
And likewise, you found problems in Michael's original quote:
"...p.s. keeping in mind the other critique I have of the original quote:
( if "a" means "A deity exists", then "~a" should mean "The said deity does not exist", NOT, " no deities exist")."
So what's the problem? We (nate and I) clarified something you already identified as problematic.
I had read BDK's post, so I'm aware he also offered critique of Michael's quote.
But my original post GRANTED Michael his claim about the sets, so that I could ask my question (which by itself assumes that Michael's claim is correct).
I asked it because Michael made a claim about what {~a} IS NOT (atheism). He never clarified what {~a} IS.
Your response to my question was to the point. You said:
"The set {~a} would denote someone who is anti-God (against an extant God), as opposed to the proper atheist empty set { }."
The reason I disagree with it is,
because if I were to call someone - who says something to the effect of "God does not exist", -
'anti-God', that person would talk about how they can't be anti or against something that doesn't exist.
>>So what's the problem? <<
I summed it up in my third post.
Read from where it says
"The point I was making in my second post, is that there are atheists who speak out of both sides of their mouth. "
According to the original quote:
"~a" denotes... "No deities exist."
I have a problem with this (original) claim, similar to what BDK said. Michael's statement is somewhat garbled.
I might, if I felt like tackling it reconstruct it thus:
Theism is Set 'T'= {a}, where "a" denotes belief in an extant god (or gods),
Atheism is Set 'A'= [~a}, where "~a" denotes a belief that there are NO extant gods
(Note that neither statement addresses the topic of "proof", only statements of belief, as it should have been formulated in the first place.)
To delve into questions of proof is another game entirely, and Michael's statement is garbled for this reason:
Theism does not equal "A deity exists".
Theism is a belief system in which it is accepted (believed) that a deity exists.
Likewise, atheism (Atheism should never be capitalized unless it is at the beginning of a sentence) does not equal "There is no such thing as God (or gods)". Atheism is a belief system that does not accept the concept of gods as being real.
Like BDK said,
"...It's probably easiest to clean up the confusion by keeping it all in the language of set theory.
In the atheist's ontology, the set of gods is empty, while in the theist's ontology the set is nonempty. The sets don't include propositions at all, but objects (in this case gods)."
But here we're moving to objects rather than beliefs, and it then follows that for theists, the set of deity(-ies) vs. the set for atheists is the statement
"G={g} vesus G=Ø", where "g" denotes God or gods, and "Ø" is an empty set containing no god(s).
And thus the confusion.
In other words, there's nothing inconsistent or 'two-faced' about atheism.
There's the belief (or UNbelief), and there's the very real possibility that there are NO gods. But these aren't the same thing. The latter causes the former.
The objections you keep raising have been handled many times in this thread in a variety of ways. Your lack of comprehension is baffling to me. Noone is speaking out of both sides of their mouth.
You don't seem to understand what it means to assume the theist stance a priori, nor do you appear to be aware of what an atheistic ontology entails. IMO, this was explained in this thread in great detail. I'm really not sure why you keep begging for a definition of {~a} when it has been defined consistently multiple times.
And yes ana, when I suggested that you re-read the thread[which you still should do], what I meant was to read the parts where BDK was fighting w/ John, and concentrate on them. I really did think that those parts would answer your question.
Anyway, thanks for illustrating that it is futile to address you, i'll remember that for the future. Ed seems to have more patience this time, and he's doing a fine job of it anyway.
You have misunderstood me then. You wrote:
"Noone is speaking out of both sides of their mouth"
No one where? No one on this thread? No one in the world?
If you grasp what context is, you should have realized that I was relating MY experiences I have had in the past with CERTAIN atheists who DID speak out of "both sides of their mouth".
What of that is difficult to understand?
GearHeadEd said to me:
"In other words,there's nothing inconsistent or 'two-faced' about atheism."
The problem with the above, is that I never suggested that atheISM is "two faced".
I commented on claims - made by *some* atheISTS - that I found to be problematic.
(there's a real difference between critizing atheISM, and critizizing select atheISTS.)
Do you think I was categorizing ALL atheists as speaking out of both sides of their mouth? Or that I was alluding to someone on this thread as doing such?
>>I'm really not sure why you keep begging for a definition of {~a} when it has been defined consistently multiple times.<<
I did not ask for a definition.
I already saw what {~a} MEANS
( "no deities exist")
as GearHeadEd suggested
("a belief that there are NO extant gods").
A meaning (i.e. definition) of {~a} had already been offered. I KNOW THAT.
"Armed fighting between two groups" is a definition. "War", is its word.
I was interested in knowing if there was a WORD attached to the definition of {~a}
(because if there is a word, Michael didn't tell us what it is)
I will repeat this one last time. My question was, WHAT DO YOU CALL A PERSON THAT IS CHARACTERIZED BY SET {~a}. Is there an established SINGLE-WORD that describes such a person? An "__ist" of some kind?
Now do you get it?
>>what I meant was to read the parts where BDK was fighting w/ John, and concentrate on them. I really did think that those parts would answer your question<<
I read those parts, and they did not answer my question. The exchange between them went beyond what the original post was about, and even got personal. I am not interested in such. If I was, my comments would have been directed towards that exchange.
>>Anyway, thanks for illustrating that it is futile to address you, i'll remember that for the future.<<
Let me tell you what you really need to remember for the future.
You need to really remember that if
you ever come across a person who raises a question that YOU think has already been answered in the thread, then it should be easy enough for you to copy and paste that answer in response to the person's question.
Lest the person take your vagueness as evidence that the answer to the question, was in fact, absent in the thread.
lol ana,
thank you for the education.
copy and past the preceding entry, i'll have to remember that. perhaps reading for comprehension is all that's really necessary but what do I know.
so my sarcasm isn't lost again, this was indeed sarcastic.
now please re-read my previous post[I don't know why you won't trust my much better informed position on this issue and just re-read when I tell you to], note where I was unusually sarcastic, and LOL at yourself. I still am.
before you jump on more irrelevance it was supposed to be "paste".
Yes ana, even people as close to perfection as myself do make mistakes occasionally.
I would rather make the mistake of interpreting an intended-sarcastic comment as being literal, than making the mistake of interpreting an intended-literal comment as being sarcastic.
I'm fine with admitting I'm not very good at detecting sarcasm.
Especially on a thread where I presuppose I'll find seriousness.
Anyways, I'll post my question(s) elsewhere, where direct answers might actually abound.
* I do thank GearHeadEd for his response though.
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"atheist" would fit your requirements for a definition of [~a}.
"a-" being the general negator in Greek, coupled with the root 'theist'.
It goes back to Michael's confused post again. He's comparing apples and orangutans.
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GOUVERNEUR The Gouverneur Central School Board will spend the next month and a half determining whether to close Fowler Elementary School as a way to help deal with declining enrollment, expected increases in costs, stagnant state aid and vacant classrooms in other buildings.
The board will welcome public comment at meetings, all of which will start at 7 p.m., Jan. 28, Feb. 11 and Feb. 25 in the high school.
Were trying to be as transparent as possible, Superintendent Lauren F. French said. We want the community to know about it.
The district operates three elementary schools, two in the village and one in Fowler.
Major issues the board will address in deciding whether to close the elementary school will include tradition, busing routes and times, assimilation of pupils into other schools and the future of the building.
I certainly respect and understand the Fowler School is a community center for that area. People enjoy the history of that building and want their children to have that experience, Mrs. French said. In better financial times, we would try to continue moving forward.
Fowler town Supervisor Michael J. Cappellino predicted residents would oppose the closure.
Theres going to be a lot of fuss going on, Im sure, he said. A lot of people who live in Fowler went to school there and want their kids to go there. It would be a shame, really, to see it close from that point of view.
The board recognizes the special qualities of Fowler Elementary, including an annual Thanksgiving banquet in which everyone eats together, Mrs. French said.
I know we have to pay tribute to the value of that building, she said. It has its own traditions. There are a great number of after-school events that are well attended. Its a nuclear community.
However, the district expects to have $1.15 million in additional costs in next years budget while not expecting state aid to grow. Federal aid also is dropping.
Since 1976, district enrollment has dropped by about 1,000 students. In recent years, enrollment has remained steady, plus or minus 50-odd students, at 1,680, where it is expected to remain, Mrs. French said.
Fowler has 116 pupils, East Side Elementary has 406 pupils and West Side Elementary has 262 pupils. Class size averages 20 to 25 at all of the schools, which go through the fifth grade. There are 10 vacant classrooms at East Side and two open rooms at West Side.
Our expenses are going up. We have open space and were looking for community input, Mrs. French said. Were just trying to be fiscally responsible to the community.
There have already been some key retirements that would minimize the impact a closure would have on staffing.
A nurse and a custodian at Fowler are retiring. The district hired Kimberly A. Hayes to be both principal and Committee on Special Education chairwoman. She and a secretary would continue working for the district in special education. The six classroom teachers and one reading teacher would move to the other elementary schools if enrollment stays the same. Librarians, art, music and physical education teachers who work part-time at Fowler would spend all of their days at the other elementary schools.
We still have to serve those children, Mrs. French said.
Savings would come primarily from cutting back on utilities, custodial services, maintenance and building improvements.
The district has looked at shutting down Fowler in the past.
Theyve been talking about closing Fowler School since I was president of the school board 25, 30 years ago, said Legislator Alex A. MacKinnon, R-Fowler. The problem is you dont save that much money because you keep most of the staff.
Mr. MacKinnon remembers when the district closed elementary schools at Richville and Brasie Corners.
I dont think the savings was all that great. There was a big loss in community pride and spirit, he said. Based on that experience, I dont know if theres a lot to be gained.
What would happen to the building would also be part of the discussion.
Fowler might want the school for use as town offices, Mr. Cappellino said. The current town hall, which is cramped, could still be used by the Town Court and historian.
The Town Council casually discussed the idea a year ago when there was speculation the school would close.
I dont know if the town board would still be interested. Thered probably be a lot of work necessary. That might be an obstacle, Mr. Cappellino said. Theres a lot of possibilities for it. You could use the gym as a public activity center.
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CORVALLIS, Ore. – The relentless storm battering western Oregon is creating havoc and threatening records – and more rain appears on the horizon.
The Mary's River already is a record stage, according to Kathie Dello of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University. It reached 21.41 feet Thursday morning, breaking the old record of 20.9 feet, and causing flooding in Corvallis and Philomath.
"Many streams in western Oregon are now classified as 'high,' or above the 90th percentile," Dello said. "What makes this so unusual is that a few days ago, most of these same streams – especially in southwest Oregon – were near record low levels.
"We needed the rain," she added, "but not all at once."
The Mary's River data goes back 72 years for the gauge, according to Gordon Grant, a research hydrologist with the Pacific Northwest Research Station of the U.S. Forest Service. When it floods, he says, it usually creates problems.
"Once the Mary's gets out of its banks, even a small increase in the flood stage represents a huge volume of water because the floodplain is so flat," said Grant, who is a courtesy professor of geosciences and forestry at OSU. "The crest of the flood is largely driven by when the precipitation starts to taper off. The rain is projected to begin tapering off this afternoon, but we are still projected to get another 1-2 inches.
"So expect to see the Mary's continue to rise through much of today," he added. "Once the rains diminish, we can expect the floodwaters to stick around for a while – a day or more – because the valley and floodplains are quite flat and do not drain quickly."
The rainfall has been significant. On Wednesday, 4.02 inches of rain fell at Hyslop Farm outside of Corvallis – the third highest 24-hour total in the station's 101-year history. The only other days with more than four inches of rain occurred on Nov. 19, 1996 – when massive flooding hit Oregon – with 4.45 inches; and on Jan. 28, 1965, with 4.28 inches.
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A Dexter man already in state prison for stealing and crashing a truck faces a concurrent one- to three-year term in prison after admitting Tuesday in Jefferson County Court that he stole and crashed a second truck.
Brandon L. Constance, 20, whose last known address was 24718 County Route 54, pleaded guilty to third-degree criminal possession of stolen property and fourth-degree criminal mischief.
He admitted that in March, he stole a 2005 Chevrolet 2500 pickup truck owned by W.D. Bach Excavation and Consulting and valued at $16,662.50 from a location in the town of Orleans and caused $16,663 in damage to the vehicle, which was found crashed and totaled on County Route 54.
Mr. Constance is serving a one- to three-year prison sentence imposed in September 2011 for an admission that he violated probation. He was sentenced to five years probation in February 2011 after a guilty plea to fourth-degree criminal possession of stolen property.
In that instance, he admitted that he stole a pickup truck from a Brown Road residence in the town of Brownville and then crashed it a few hours later on Route 12E near Butts Road, also in the town of Brownville. The vehicle was totaled.
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Rosanna Garvey, 27, Minoa, pleaded guilty to fourth-degree grand larceny. She admitted that in September 2011, she stole about $3,600 from Ollies Bargain Basement in Stateway Plaza. She is expected to be sentenced Aug. 6 to an unspecified amount of time served at the Metro-Jefferson Public Safety Building and five years probation. She also will be ordered to pay full restitution.
Justin C. Sullivan, 28, of 22642 Fralick Road, pleaded guilty to fourth-degree criminal mischief, second-degree criminal contempt and third-degree assault as a result of three separate incidents. He also admitted violating probation. He admitted that in December, he broke a cellular phone belonging to Tonya L. Gifford during a domestic incident at the couples New York Avenue apartment.
He also admitted that on Jan. 20, he violated a City Court refrain from order of protection by arguing with Ms. Gifford and subjecting her to unwanted physical contact. He further admitted that on Dec. 6, he caused physical injury to Ms. Gifford during an argument.
At the time of the incidents, he was serving five years probation imposed in March 2012 for a felony driving while intoxicated conviction. He admitted violating probation by being charged with new crimes. He is expected to be sentenced Aug. 29 to time served at the PSB and restored to probation for up to five years.
Nicholas W. McKnight, 19, Watertown, admitted violating probation by leaving a substance abuse treatment program without permission. He was serving a five-year term of probation imposed for a fourth-degree criminal possession of a forged instrument conviction. He subsequently was resentenced to one to three years in prison.
State Supreme Court Judge James P. McClusky mandated that he serve his sentence in the prison systems Willard Drug Treatment Program. If an inmate completes the 90-day program, he serves the remainder of his sentence under parole supervision.
Clint A. Martz, 26, Watertown, admitted violating probation by failing to follow through with substance abuse treatment recommendations. He was sentenced to five years probation in February 2011 after pleading guilty to third-degree burglary and second-degree assault. Resentencing was adjourned until Sept. 23 while Mr. Martz seeks further substance abuse treatment.
Nestor Santos, 31, an inmate at Gouverneur Correctional Facility, was sentenced to an additional 1� to 3 years in prison for May 13 guilty pleas to second-degree attempted criminal sale of marijuana and first-degree attempted promoting prison contraband.
He admitted he had and sold marijuana while incarcerated at Cape Vincent Correctional Facility in November 2011. He is serving a 15-year sentence imposed in 2002 in New York City for first-degree manslaughter and first-degree gang assault convictions.
Michael Silverman, 21, an inmate at Gouverneur Correctional Facility, was sentenced to an additional 1� to 3 years in prison for an April 29 guilty plea to first-degree attempted promotion of prison contraband. He admitted that he possessed a metal can lid while taking part in an Aug. 14 assault while incarcerated at Watertown Correctional Facility. He is serving a two- to four-year prison sentence imposed in April 2011 in New York City for a second-degree assault conviction.
Robert B. Gordon, 35, of 17985 First St., Adams Center, was sentenced to a three-year conditional discharge and ordered to complete the Bridge program for a May 13 guilty plea to felony aggravated DWI.
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Jefferson Community College honored former basketball standout Steve Howard as well as his mentor Steve Brown, a longtime learning skills specialist and contributor of the schools athletic program, as both were inducted on Thursday into the colleges athletic Hall of Fame.
Howard, who starred for Watertown High School and JCC in the 1990s as well as at St. Francis as a guard in basketball and eventually in the pro ranks, was unable to attend the festivities at the Watertown Elks Lodge.
But fittingly enough, Howard was absent because he is running a summer basketball camp for youth players in Pennsylvania.
Howard, who endured and survived a turbulent youth, sought refuge in scholastic and collegiate basketball and eventually became a teacher.
Coming in, people thought he was just this rough, tough character, Brown said of Howard, the Cannoneers all-time leader in points scored (1,566) after finishing second in that category (1,230) at Watertown High. But he was much more than that he was shy when he came (to JCC), and he gained confidence and took it from there.
Howard, 35, teaches physical education and is the student activities coordinator at Rambam Mesivta High School in Lawrence on Long Island.
Its great that hes a teacher now, Brown said of Howard, who conducts a basketball camp at Camp Seneca Lake in Honesdale, Pa. And I know hes grateful to the people he worked with while he was a student here, and hes doing pretty well.
The 1996 graduate of Watertown played two seasons at JCC, years split by a failed venture to fit in at the NAIA level with Southern California College.
He set a JCC single-game record for most points (51).
When I spoke to Steve about the Hall of Fame and everyone knows Steve, he said Wow, thats awesome, current JCC athletic director Jeffrey Wiley said. He was special player for this program.
The Cannoneers advanced to the NJCAA national title game in 1997, where he scored 32 points in a 79-75 loss to Eastfield College of Texas.
In both seasons at JCC, Howard was a first-team pick for the All-Mid-State Athletic Conference and All-Region 3 teams. He was the Mid-State player of the year each season, and as a senior, he was the MVP of Region 3 and a first-team NJCAA Division III All-American, averaging 28.5 points, 8.5 rebounds and 4.1 assists per game.
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Back then it was real exciting when everyone from Watertown went down to the Carrier Dome to see Steve and St. Francis play Syracuse in front of family and friends, Wiley said.
Howard went on to play at the pro level in Europe, including Ireland, Iceland and Cyprus and led his Icelandic team, Skallagrimur-Borgarnes, to the Division I Pro League title in 2004.
Hes come a long way, Brown concluded about Howard. Im really happy for him and it was too bad he couldnt be with us tonight.
Brown retired from JCC in 2011 after a 26-year career at the school that included the post of learning skills specialist.
That was his career, but he was a mentor to the athletes, Wiley said of Brown, who received the SUNY Chancellors Award for Excellence in the Professional Service in 2002.
Brown, who held open summer basketball sessions early during his time with the Cannoneers, also served as a longtime announcer and scorekeeper for mens and womens basketball, also traveling on the road with the teams, reporting the scores to local media outlets.
Its a great honor, said Brown, who holds a bachelor of arts from then SUNY Binghamton and a master of arts from Syracuse. And its particularly a great honor because of all the kids I got to work with. Helping students out academically was what it was all about. And of course it was a lot of fun being involved with the athletic programs as well.
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Kashkari Testifies On Oversight Of TARP At House Financial Services Hea
Neel Kashkari, interim Assistant Treasury Secretary for Financial... News PhotoCapitol Hill,Government,Horizontal,Neel Kashkari,Politics,Tarpaulin,USA,Washington DCPhotographer Mark WilsonCollection: Getty Images News 2008 Getty ImagesWASHINGTON - DECEMBER 10: Neel Kashkari, interim Assistant Treasury Secretary for Financial Stability and Assistant Secretary for International Affairs, participates in a House Financial Services Committee hearing on Capitol Hill December 10, 2008 in Washington, DC. The committee is hearing testimony on concerns regarding the Treasury Departments oversight regarding the troubled assets relief program (TARP). (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)