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In a year where none of the top-ranked teams made it to the Super Bowl, it's only fitting that the two contenders in the OS Bowl had to scratch and claw their way to the final game.
Click through to vote for what you think is the best mobile OS!
HP's webOS trounced Nokia's Meego in the first round, then fought off a more determined Android in the semis to make it to the final. On the other side of the bracket, Windows Phone 7 got past BlackBerry 6 before thoroughly trouncing Apple's iOS in the last round with more than 80 percent of the vote. So after taking on two giants in this field, the last OSes standing are ready to go gridiron.
So put down the hot wings and nachos and take a break during half time to tell us which of these competitors should be named champion? Vote now! This poll will remain open until February 8 at 9:00 a.m.
Love the intuitive nature of WP7. What should be a close battle between great OSes, I believe WP7 comes out on top by a nose, but I ain't mad at cha for voting for WebOS 2.
They should have ended this poll on Feb 9 at 9 PM. WebOS would win without question. Now we just have to step up and fight for our beloved WebOS.
Win7 can't even multitask and that is so easy to do on WebOS!!!
Voted with my HD7
Features that are Must-Have:
– Copy/Paste
– Homebrew Community (easy to 'hack' and customize)
– Multitasking like a pro
– Easy port process for applications from other platforms
webOS 2.0 it is for me.
WebOS the best…Voted with my Palm Pre xD.
WebOS the best! voted with my palm pre xD.
I think it's only fitting that the 2 most unique OS's came out on top.
Why don't you close the poll until tomorrow, start tomorrow and shift the end till February 9th? It is webOS's big day.
So you really couldn't wait until Feb. 9th? Laptop Mag fails again…
Voted on my classic Palm Pre!!
Voted for WP7 with my htc 7 trophy
I have to admit, I'm only voting for WebOS because I use a Pre and am excited to see an HP WebOS ecosystem start to develop come Feb 9th. I can't come to an objective conclusion otherwise!
WebOS 2.0 very slow and laggy OS, just look any YouTube video.
Windows Phone 7 – very fast and have best multitasking engine!
Go webOS and HP… No contest as a 40yr OS user. webOS is best all around operating system for all types of users and Hacks.
Voted with my Samsung Focus
Powerful, intuitive, beautiful, scalable – webOS is the winner here. It multitasks like a dream (cards and now stacks in webOS v2.0), synergy (merging contacts), and notifications are well thought out and soon we'll see it on tablets in addition to phones. Windows Phone 7 is a fresh new look at a mobile OS but it doesn't have the ease of homebrew (webOS is Linux at its core and can leverage many open-source projects, custom kernels, etc), true multitasking (yet), and appears restricted to phones at least for the time being. Both OSes have solid development tools – WP7 probably has at least a slight advantage here due to the excellent MS tool chain. Both platforms currently have a similar amount of 3rd party applications (around 6000).
The winner is webOS due to it currently being more mature (WP7 probably has about a year to go yet before its featureset is full – for example, it is expected that WP7 will add multitasking capability at some point). WP7 also is somewhat hamstrung but uncertainty about Microsoft's commitment to it based on recent announcements about Windows 8 on ARM – whereas HP's commitment to webOS is clear (and their strategy should be more clear next week when HP makes a major webOS announcement on Feb 9).
Voted for my HTC HD7, but i think both OSes are great and that there should be a tie…
Voted on my Samsung focus ^_^
These are the two best. I'm surprised they made it this far though. While they're both great, they're also both relatively small market-share wise.
I voted WP7 because of the great UI and extremely fast growing app catalog. The cloud integration is also done very well.
WebOS multitasks better than his about anything out there. And it does it in a clean and simple fashion.
still waiting on the HTC 7 Pro but after reading about the germany unboxing not so sure now, though I do love my wife's Pre and WebOs, should be a close one…even though I'll prob get an EVO b4 WP7
I have to agree with Xacto01: webOS and WP7 are undisputably the best most unique and most innovate Operating Systems currently on the market, so it's only fair those two made it to the top. I voted webOS because it has just the most awesome in it.
I honestly had no idea what webOS was until about 10 minutes ago. I've always known that WP7 would be my favorite OS ever since I owned a Zune HD, and since November, it's never disappointed me once. I obviously voted for WP7 in this, but I noticed webOS was winning, and wanted to see why, so I went on YouTube and found a few vids..
Honestly, after what I've seen, webOS seems so SLOW and BORING compared to WP7! Just watching the vids for WebOS made me completely proud of what I own even more. No, im not saying this because I support WP7. Im saying this because, after owning an HD7 for 3 months, everything else just looks horrible compared to it. I like the idea of cards on webOS, but that's it.
Even the thought of having to tap the screen to take a pic annoys me, haha.
Both are clearly the best mobile OS. If we evaluate UX, responsiveness, OS features and potential.
Task switching and not full multitasking is missing in WP7. But I think so far the whole user experience is top notch.
My vote for WP7 from my fantastic Samsung Focus.
Voted on my HD7! WP7!
Voted for my HTC Mozart
@Scotland You are forgetting apps, Windows Phone 7 had the most beautiful and advanced apps… and Windows Phone 7 also has a MUCH MUCH better and aesthetically pleasing user interface. Even if Windows Phone 7 does not multitask YET, it does tombstone apps so you can click the back button and start from where you were previously… Overall, Windows Phone 7 is the clear winner: Its fast, Microsoft are actually WORKING WITH the homebrew developers for a solution, the apps are absolutely amazing, and the integration between services (Xbox LIVE, Zune, Office, etc.) is amazing…
Voted on my Samsung Focus.
Love both but WP7 get's the vote for Live potential. I want a WEBOS Tablet but I want a WP7 phone.
Why would they want to run the poll and a newsday bias to one of the candidates? That's not a fail, that's a fairness win.
Voted for WP7 with my Dell Venue Pro but I have to say if webos wins I'm not mad at you the two best OS's came out on top!!!!!!
5 adverts for windows phone on this page =) . Windows phone os is fresh and innovative. It combines social media, xbox, and zune flawlessly to create a great entertainment device. It is fast a smooth and has never given me an ounce of trouble. So it gets my vote. Btw I own a samsung focus, IMO the best wp there is :p
wp7 + focus = win win
I'm voting for WP7 because of the MetroUI, live tiles, and hubs. If you haven't used WP7 for more than an hour in a store, you'll just have to take my word for it but it really is a revolution in terms of smartphone design. However that said, WebOS is a great one, too, and if not for WP7 I'd definitely be using WebOS. It is far superior to iOS or Android (though Android is close).
Voted from my Samsung Focus
Voted from my HTC 7 Mozart
I think there isnt enough support for the PIXI PLUS, I mean they gave it out (VZN) and palm (as long as there are Pixi's out there) Should continue to make the OS avail to them as well.
WebOS for the win!!!!
Voted with my Palm Pre.
I have used both webos and wp7 (might I add that I sold my pre plus last week), they are both good but the way wp7 is implemented is second to non. Am sure the implementation of multi-tasking will be great, I love the consistency throughout applications and the intergration of services like fb. I know some features are missing but those that are included are implemented superbly. People are complaining about what's missing no one is complaining about something not being implemented properly.
p.s Can't stop playing rise of glory.:)
photo anyone? 3 Seconds tops.
So I've read all of your comments, and well, waaaaaayyyyy too many of you are drinking the cool aid
After using webOS 1.4.5 on my pre plus, I have yet to find an OS that is more intuitive, hackable (without voiding the warranty) and smooth flowing, all in one package that is.
All of this was typed from my Pre Plus While multitasking with other cards open, such as my messaging tab, a few facebook pages and my e-mail
Haha, someone called webOS slow?!
I loled in rl.
how did webos beat android??? LOL… i thought android was the most popular platform.. and how is it leading WP7 now
Voted via my launch day Pre running webOS 1.45 and the Harrier kernel.
Ok this is obviously my opinion but here goes:
1) People who use iphones use them because they're the "cool" thing. Other than that most iphone users have no idea how to really get the use out of an OS.(hacking,customization,over-clocking,utilizing productivity apps). So thats exactly why they lost. Their users aren't the brightest stars in the sky.
2) Now this same opinion of mine can be voiced on a lot of Android users. (not nearly as much as the iphone). Being that they have most of the market share, simple math could be used to figure they would have won this whole thing hands down. Although, a lot people use Android because it's "cool" (that little green guy is so cute). Android is way better than iOS though so that figures as to why they put up a good fight with WebOS.
3)Windows7 is a whole different story. It's very different from any other OS. Smooth as they come, and the alive widgets is pretty cool and handy. Although windows is lacking something extremely important. MULTI-TASKING. I don't know about anyone else but I think it is probably one of the most important parts of an OS. Nobody wants to drop what they're doing to do something else. People want to get everything done quickly and easily "@ the same time". Windows 7 is doing well because its "new" and "unique" in its own form of course.
4) WebOs seems to take the cake in my eyes because it incorporates all of the wonderful things we look for in an OS. Multi-tasking in its best form, no widgets but with live "cards" who really cares, and you can customize WebOs to the point where it fits you personally no matter what kind of user you are. All WebOS needs to stay on top is awesome hardware. (Feb 9th hopefully takes care of that) Pre2 on Verizon Feb 17th!.
CONCLUSION: WebOS WINS
I didn't mention BB or MeeGo because they're GARBAGE… Again this is my opinion.
This poll is fixed someone is constantly voting over and over again for WebOS, its biased for this reason. Whoever you are you should be ashamed for manipulating a poll
You should be able to vote once and once only not over and over again
windows 7 can't compete against WebOS. It's a borderline feature phone with it's lack of capabilities. Imagine a PC that can only run one app at a time!!!
WeBos may be an impressive OS, but I have to give Windows Phone the win simply because it's a true departure from everything we've seen, and it's presenting the idea of just how little you need to truly get things done. Less chrome, distraction, more focus, and getting things done.
Here's hoping for WP7, but honestly I'd rather lose to webOS than any of the other competition.
Sent on my HTC Surround.
The true sign of a great OS is the fact that the original device is still more functional and intuitive than the newest models out running another OS. Palm may not have the best hardware now, but the OS is far away and ahead of the competition with multitasking and functionality. Just wait until HP/Palm puts out better hardware for consumers, it'll be a serious contender in the iEverything world we live in.
voted on my palm pre plus!
Windows phone 7 Sleeping giant
just let him grow
couple more months!!!!
Android it is the most "Popular" OS… But this poll isn't based on that, take in consideration TRUE multitasking to begin with. I have an HTC Evo and my Palm Pre.. I like the EVO because of the screen, camera, and app market, but the OS itself I dislike.. Doesn't Really Costumize totaly,and it doesn't really multitask.. WebOs did Multitasking like i've never seen anybody do. The Evo(android) phone I hated that I would have to REOPEN the application, unlike the Pre(webos) phone I can just go back to the App (card) I was on. .. So in a way ur right.. Android it is one of the most popular OS, But I belieave that HP will Market the WebOs In a rigt way and Give people more phones to choose from.. Then, my friend webos will be known for it's capabilities and ease of use.
This week I had to realized that I no longer had the Free Music Ringtones app by James Harris for my Pre because it was taken out of the catalog. I was easily able to find the IPK file on Precentral.net and I installed it on my Pre with WebOSQuickInstall. I can now enjoy that app like I normally did
I am thinking that only Android can do such things and only if you root it. I don't need to root my phone, just need to put it in developer mode, plug it in to my computer and send the app with WebOSQuickInstall. I don't think we can call sideloading apps to WebOS hacking because there is no hacking needed. iOS would never be able to do that.
I love WebOS and how open it is to the homebrew community!!
@Gollyzilla and @bob: This poll is tied to the Super Bowl, not HP's webOS event, so it wouldn't make sense to keep it open until Feb. 9.
Voted on my newly minted HD2(7)! Go XDA!
Vote for WebOS
three words.
copy. and. paste. Holy epic omission batman.
webOS ftw. And anyone that thinks wp7 is cleaner or simpler, has not actually used webOS. If Palm had a marketing department, they could use the WPx ads with no changes, and live up to advertised promises better than wp7 does.
WP7 is awesome right out of the gate on Version 1.0 by the time they reach Version 2.0 they are going to be killing it. Sent from my Samsung Focus. 4″ Super AMOLED screen, 1ghz CPU, 22GB of storage with expanded memory.
Thanks to iOS for opening the market for touch smartphones, but goodbye as well.
Present Android is just a muddled mess, not better than iOS.
Yay for WebOS and WP7 for bring a fresh new user paradigm to touch.
+1 for WebOS for true multitasking
+1 for WebOS for embracing community and with it…
+1 for WebOS for customization possibilities (Palm actually integrating homebrew ideas into OS updates
+1 for WebOS for copy and paste right of the bat
+1 for not demonizing the user
+1 for reviewed and non-reviewed ways to let devs into app catalog
+1 for tablet readiness before tables became big
+1 for elegant gestures
If you like QNX and Honeycomb-flavored Android, you might as well vote WebOS for now. Let's all do a rematch when each OS has been had their go on the consumer market.
GO WebOS!!!
Voted for Windows Phone, on my Windows Phone.
Wow, this is pretty close so far. Two enthusiastic user bases going head to head, I love it. It's close, as it should be, but I think WebOS will eek out this win, and rightfully so. WP7 should get a big round of applause tho.
It is interesting to see how popular WP7 is already with its users without the so called must-have features of the other platforms. The last few Iphone/droid users that were giving me a bad time about not having copy and paste on WP7 finally admitted that they have never even used it on their phone!
Everything I currently ask of my WP7 Samsung Focus, it does flawlessly. No dropped calls, incredible for gaming, great screen, fantastic keyboard etc, – it just works. I have no problem with any of the other platforms, they all have some great strengths. A little competition ensures we all end up with a better product.
If Palm HP, whoever, could have released a product worldwide, this might actually be a valid comparison.
I find it funny how so many folks talk about the hardware or the apps you can get for a device, but this isn't about either of those things, IT's ABOUT THE OS!!! As a launch day Palm Pre owner…still using the first one I bought…i love the Os. When I can open 12 apps, flick between the cards without shutting any of them down and 4 of them are loading web pages, it's the best. I haven't even overclocked it. I don't need a poll to tell me which is the best Os but it is good to be validated. Can hardly wait for all the newness on the 9th
Voted using my launch day Pre, running webOS 1.45 and the Harrier II kernel.
I saw the video of PalmOS on Youtube and it looks just like any smartphone OS. So why is it different? Windows Phone 7 is smoother, cleaner and shows only the important info that I need on the screen. Leave multi-tasking to your PC/MAC, it's a damn phone.
it is clear that operating system is the best though missing third-party applications, which brings should be improved and completely refurbished hardware (especially the batteries)
This is the perfect match. I am a palm fanboy and I guess I have to be a little hp fanboy now. When announced, Windows Phone 7 seemed to be the only other thing that seemed worthy of my attention. When Webos finally was released, they said we were too late to the party. Then come Windows Phone 7 much later. Problem is it has some of the caveats that webOS had when it was released. It is another very unique interface, just like webOS was, but even later to the party. As it stands at this point in time, webOS is the winner. Windows Phone 7 will become just as feature rich and be good. Windows phone 7 has had the money to back it up since it started development so it had a better release and better 3rd party support. I think Palm HP will have just as much money and power to make webos great. I am excited to see what will come out of the feb 9. I am iffy on the webos tablet. I think the gui needs to changed for tablets. they better have made the right changes exactly how i want them haha.
Pretty sure someone is using a bot. Oh well. This just means that WP7 and WebOS users are better at programming
Let's see, will it hurt an OS if I throw my support behind it? Or will that help? I'm not going to risk it by telling you which one I prefer.
Fortunately both of them work when being held in the left hand…
to those of you voting for webOS from palm, which half of the phone are u voting from? kinda cool u can have two pieces for a price of 1
I usually don't post comments, but I just have to this time. Where on earth did people get the idea WP7 doesn't multitask? It absolutely does multitasking. It however, does not allow 3rd party apps to multitask. The OS is fully capable of multitasking. MS has also said they are willing to work with 3rd parties to allow their apps to multitask/run in the background. MS wants to make sure rogue apps don't ruin the performance and user experience of their new OS. It is obvious they have spent a lot of time refining this OS. Most people, especially casual users, don't recognize what is causing poor performance. They blame the OS. MS cannot afford this if they want to compete with the likes of iOS, Android and WebOS. I do have a Samsung Focus. Had it since launch day, but I have respect for all OS and technology in general. I have been an IT manager for 20 years and have supported Unix, Linux, Windows, and a multitude of mobile OS devices. I can see how WP7 wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, but no one can deny the fresh approach of the UI and smooth performance of the OS.
@VDK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOKjYcGUCQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player I don't know if you googled up the old "PalmOS" or "WEBOS" 2 different things… This is a link to youtube comparing the OS of Apple and HP/Palm Webos that's the "MULTITASKING " we webos fans Talk about
LEGOOO!!!! web OS
voted for windows phone 7 thru my windows 7 laptop becuase too lazy to take my hd7 out of pocket. heheheheheheh
webOS without question! I've had a Pre Plus for the last 3 months and I honestly don't know what I did without webOS. Can't wait for 2/9; HP and their webOS is gonna kill the game!
@VDK did you look up the PalmOS or WebOS? They are totally different operating systems.
WP7 is almost more like a feature phone right now. I was excited at first – as a former windows phone user – but then "no mutlitasking". REALLY?? Imagine using a computer that could only open 1 app/window at a time. To open another program, you have to close what you have open. JUST 1. OMG. I could not live without my pre multitasking. Seriously…it's that important folks. My Pre is my "pocket pc" in a way that Android, IOS, WP7 and Blackberry can't even come CLOSE (the new blackberry tablet is however infringing the hell out of WebOS – which will make it more usable – patent infrigement aside).
I could not, would not, own a "smart phone" that is so dumb. WebOS is still king in usability, best OS, best dev community. Let's get the hardware to match! (and a few major apps ie logmein)
Voted WP7. I've been using WP7 for 3 months and it certainly deserves the best OS.
@Ztitch Exactly. I don't think webos has lost any of these, yet. Too funny.
Well this happened a little differently than I predicted but i'm still clear on who I think the winner will be. I called it and it is WebOS
Voted twice on my overclocked Pixi while my buddies WP7 loaded the page!
voted for my HD7!
i <3 wp 7
both sucks. that's why they never make it big like iOS and Android.
WebOS is the No.1 mobile OS!
Voted from my Samsung Omnia 7!!! Hehe… Windows Phone 7 is the best!!! Hehe…
Sorry but no color: webos. right now writing this in Spanish in the translator while I have opened several web pages that are downloaded without stopping and news application could still receive a call, answer, take a picture and send it to the sender or upload it to facebook … all without interrupting or a task to 30 or more!. palm phones that have not been so successful that they have put a battery very poor, not having so many applications … that's another thing … but as the operating system is the best … and wait to 9 February.
At this moment the difference between the 2 Os is 0.05%. How awesome is that. Two unique OS for sure.
Wow, getting close here.
Come on WP7!
Funny to see all the comments on WebOS of people just having seen a video …
Slow ??? Guys, you need to upgrade the laptop your are using to see the real speed
Need to tap the screen to take pictures … Yes … but you can also do without … sorry to offer to many options!!!
Mutlitask … Some people talk about it, some do … and WebOS is clearly in that camp!!!
Flexibile, Intuitive, …
Ok, let's stop the fight … fight, would mean there is a battle, … so let's stop the game then
Cmon! WP7 HAS TO WIN!!!
@Abraham Arango – hahaha. You should be on stage with comedy like that!
@Timothy Stiffler-Dean – yeah…. features that YOU must Have. Funny how MS have managed to sell however many handsets without your "Must-Have" features though isn't it? The votes are quite high for WP7 without these "Must-Have" features too. hmmm.. strange…
Copy and paste released for wp7 imminent, all ready for developers dev kids
What for the next update in 2 months? app switcher because multitasking it can do for 3rd party apps
My vote goes for the responsiveness and game changer in UI, vote for Metro.
I love the fact that both webos, and WP7 is in the finals they should be. Both revolutionary OS's, and though I feel and am a current user of Webos, I feel WP7 has its own unique OS, and is right there with Webos. Funny the 2 companys that used to work together, battlening it out hopefully in a few years they will be the 1 and 2 OS leaders in the world.
vote webos
Nothing beats the ease of use of webOS.
Most of the comments for Win7 include "…is comming soon". WebOS is NOW and this poll is NOW. Copy/paste? WebOS as it NOW. Multitasking? WebOS has it NOW. Vote about NOW.
@Mike Hunt
Copy and paste is already on developer devices eg. Samsung Taylor, LG Panther, Asus E600.
I also disagree with the "Nothing beats the ease of use of webOS" part. It's entirely subjective.
WP7 – the sleekest, most beautiful OS on the planet. The best cloud services eco-system, the easiest to get at the things you want… the strongest update cycle, the backing of one of the worlds wealthiest companies that is investing billions a year in more services!
The strong enterprise focus of any device bar none (no the features are not there but they are coming…)
The best cloud and on-premise software offering… Go for platform with the brightest future! Windows Phone 7!
@Mike Hunt
I think we are voting for NOW. And NOW it is so close because the Windows Phone doesn't have C/P but its integration and smooth features are top of the pack. If WP had C/P (comming in Feb update), then Windows Phone would have pulled away by now.
Voted with Samsung Focus + 32GB SD.
we have taken the lead!!! like in COD haha
WebOS deserves it. People keep mentioning hardware… But what they don't realize is that even on shitty hardware, WebOS runs like a champ. Best operating system ever created, none surpass it.
GO WP7 GO!! Vote for Victory!
WP7 need to win. Let Go!!
WP7 is the clear winner. Voted with my butt kicking Dell Venue Pro!
You know I prefer webOS. And you would be a fool to disagree with me. webOS FTW.
WebOS is catching up. Come on precious.
I never heard of the first person WebOS was up against, but although Android might be 'more popular' because of the phones available for it, it doesn't make Android in anyway better then the WebOS. They're comparing OS' not phones. The way i see it is, Windows had to come out with Several different versions to even come close to WebOS. Starting on PC and moving to portable mobile devices. HP is going the other way. Starting with mobile, realizing that it's good enough to be on tablet PCs and spreading out that way. If a simple OS made for simple devices is made good enough to be put on a more powerful device without making tons of versions. I say freaking sweet… WebOS comes with many things right from the start. Not saying WP7 doesn't it's a sweet OS. but comparing OS to OS.. I'm going to have to side with HP on this on and vote WebOS. As said in a PodCast done by the fellows at Precentral 'hardware doesn't matter' it the way the OS works with the certain pieces on the hardware that allows faster processing and all that good stuff. Both are awesome OS' just.. WebOS.. little more advanced to me.
Eligant & simple Multi-tasking for the WIN! WebOS is the best. I do think that Win Phone 7 has style for sure but it doesn't have all of the must have features yet. I'll be keeping an eye on it though. My launch day Pre is still the most usable phone on the market from where I sit (even if I would LOVE it to have a hardware upgrade). I'm looking forward to running 2.0 soon.
webOS is the best. I use a webOS phone. Nothing else to say. And don't argue with Chuck Norris.
Windows Phone 7 fo sho!!!!! Voted with my Samsung Focus.
My decision is final, webOS ftw. And since webOS 2.0 is already available on the Pre2, it includes stacks, and all sorts of good stuff that refines the webOS experience.
Do not ever argue with Chuck Norris. That is all.
WebOS all day for true multi-tasking needs. I use IOS on my Ipod Touch 4gen and the user interface is sluggish and not robust enough to access various app's at the same time seamlessly. Without jailbreaking it, ive never would have made the decision on buying it. WebOS on the other hand can launch and switch between any app fluently without taking any core steps. So WebOS hands down
WP7 is a great OS. It has some serious competition to overcome, but I think MS has the developer community lined up to add apps that will make WP7 more and more appealing. I'm sold on my Samsung Focus!
Man, I love them both. Both of them rank as my most liked smartphone OS. However, I'd have to side with WP7. I like the overall design paradigm and see it going in far more places given that it can work on a variety of OEMs.
If only they could merge the awesome special features of WebOS with the awesome design of WP7.
webOS ftw. It is what the iPhone should have been.
honestly, im glad that the finals have come down to these two. the two most unique OS out there. But my vote is for WP7 by a 51/49 margin. Im ok with either one winning
Cant we just be glad we took down iOS and Android at least??
vote for WP7..
try it, and i am sure that you will vote for WP7!
I can't wait until the Feb. 9th announcement makes laptop mag look stupid for not waiting.
WP7 for the win. As much as they say that WEBOS has it means nothing on a slow slow platform with tiny screens. I mean it is all the same on the Android (which I have a Samsung Fascinate and still love WP7) that has all these so called.ground breaking features but it runs like a Windmill sometimes fast sometimes slow never like a rocket like WP7.
I have played with a WEBOS phone multiple times and even thought bout getting it because of the gimmicky cards which is the only fast change on the phone. I went so far as to go and play around for one hour on my friends PRE and it was a horrible slow experience and like I said the fastest thing ever was the cards. Features mean nothing on a slow treading phone like WEBOS.
On the other hand the WP7 is everything I thought it would be fast, sleek, intuitive, productive, full figured package without any third party apps. My girlfriend has one and it is a dream to play with every time I get my hands on it(which is like all the time). Yes I can say that's its missing some feautures which is any OS but atleast I know when mines ate coming and that when they come they are going to blow everyone out the water. I plan to quickly ditch my Fascinate for the Omniscient 7 when it comes to Verizon in shot second.. WP7 FTW FTW FTW FTW….!!!!!!!!
WP7 is winning.
It hasn't fluxuated more than 1.0% WebOS users have my respect for their loyalty. Glad people realized it's better than android.
Voted from my Samsung Omnia 7 for the far superior OS: webOS.
Even if w7 is a great OS, i still prefer webOS (and i own both). WebOS is more full featured, more mature, and as fast as w7 on a palm pre 2. Multitasking, search and notifications are extremely well implemented… The cloud integration is on par on both devices, synergy on webOS 2 is more flexible than w7, but xbox integration is very nice too.
Gaming is better on w7 (not that bad on webOS) but i don't like playing 3d games on a phone anyway.
As for the look, the two OS are great, not in the same style though, so it's down to personal preferences.
Palm (hp) is much more open minded community wise than microsoft, even if MS is pretty cool too with homebrew. The palm community is astonishing : even if they are almost no device sold as of now, they re is still a lot of activity.
navigation is also more easy and more coherent than in w7 imho.
And webOS is much much much much more hackable!
webOS gets my vote without hesitation!
I can hear it now… The thunderous roar of the stadium crowd as it works itself into a frenzy. Screaming, crying, defiance, and laughter, as people of all ages unify around the worlds best mobile operating system…
And as the game ends, and webOS is crowned champion, people will walk arm and arm out of the stadium, a new found era of peace will ensue. And into history this OS bowl will fade, but it's impact will never be forgotten…
webOS, a legend in it's own time.
webOS FTW
I wonder how many PALM votes are coming from HP IP's
PALM OS is dead, I had a PRE when it first game out, crappiest phone (went through 10 replacements) and the OS looks good but it just plain sucks! No way there are even more than 100 fans of that OS…not counting HP employes of course.
by that logic the only determining nature of the poll should be the number of HP employees vs. the number of Microsoft. That's no fun…
So sad to see WebOS users on precentral forums having to get people to multivote to try and rig the results… Is it really in that desperate a situation it can't just win on it's own merits?
Desperate times for a largely irrelevant OS…
Funny, you are an idiot. Thousands of people still support WebOS, as evidenced by the strong homebrew community. Admittedly, the hardware was lacking, but the OS is without a doubt the best in the business. I've stuck with my Pre (Sprint) regardless of the hardware issues (and there have been plenty, on my 5th or 6 phone) for the sole purpose of keeping the OS. Here's to hoping HPalm can back the OS with some slick new hardware. As for this vote, its all about the OS, and for anyone whose come in contact with WebOS, it is undoubtedly the best.
Bought myself an HTC 7 pro, absolutely loving it. I had no clue why people kept complaining about multitasking, it's fine as it is and multitasking will be added soon enough. But I had the chance to play around with a Palm Pre 2 for a day last week and … god damn, where's my multitasking in WP7? :/
From user 'MartyLK' at the WebOS Forums (seems like I'm not allowed to post link here)
"Guys, I found a reliable way to multivote! Remove the blog.laptopmag.com cookie before each vote. I intend to single-handedly remove the WP7 lead
Make sure to remove the cookie while on the "View results" page. Then delete the cookie and go nack to poll. It will work that way. If you go back to poll and then delete the cookie, it won't work."
@funny your funny with dump made up facts like your whole post. You sound stupid trying to bash a OS, and its Webos not Palm OS smart guy. If you even look at the numbers Webos still has most of its users still intact (go google it first before making up stuff) every anaylist, and reviewer who ever reviewed Webos will tell you its state of the art. With HP they will be able to scale it to levels microsoft could only imagine. Feb 9th is just the begining of the future of a full true linux based, true multitasking, OS on the market. The people who are voting for WP7 now have either no clue about webos, never used it and just based facts off of what some said, or they currently took the plunge in buying a WP7 device. Either way you look at it Webos been out of commission for almost 2 yrs with no new hardware yet even polls like these it seems to always win hmmmm think about it. Even if they loose this (who cares anyways) it shows that Webos is very much alive, and thought about and is more then capable to be the best OS on the market. SO eat your words and do some research first before making dumb statements boy.
Ok, here's the link to the WebOS user 'MartyLK' being caught cheating red-handed. Replace the "DOT" with "."
forums DOT precentral.net/general-webos-chat/274314-laptop-magazine-finals-7 DOT html
What can we deduce from this competition? Nothing, except that some WebOS users have no life perhaps.
The comparison stops at Copy and Paste. Without it, WP7 isn't yet a smartphone operating system. How can an OS be called "smart" when you can't move data around as you need to? Apps and clever ways of parsing data can only funnel you to the most likely tasks. Can WP7 insert a phone number into a text message or a street address into a tweet?. I haven't used WP7 enough to say for certain, but I already know webOS can do this with silky-smooth ease.
Also, this is about what the OS, and only the OS, can do today. If you say that Copy and Paste is imminent — and it is — then we also have to talk about the hardware HP is announcing February 9th, just one day after this poll closes. But since we don't know what HP will announce, nor when end users will receive the OS update, then we can't include either.
Today, webOS wins. Tomorrow, webOS may still win.
WP7 because it has the snappiest, most innovative UI, and because of the Windows Live / Facebook / Gmail / LinkedIn integration, and the games, and the evolving development environment (which is heavily supported/promoted).
It just feels like the phone of the future!! BTW, HD7 rocks!
@ funny wel you see the votes.. And the omments easily ';ore than 100 fans" Webos it is a elegant OS And it's not "PalmOS" it's WebOs and it's alive, Feb. 9th will tell, and surely you will end up getting an Hp Webos phone Sooner or later
as I stated most votes are from users that have a WP7 device, and have never used Webos period.
webOS all the way. Voted from my computer connected to my Palm Pre Plus Mobile Hotspot.
@Colonel Kernel
WebOS lack a visual keyboard. What a joke! From your reasoning: WebOS shouldn't even be consider a " smart" phone: it should be consider a "dumb" phone. You apps are just as much a data mine as every other platform's.
That you haven't use Windows Phone 7 enough said it all.
Maybe you should know what you are complaining about.
WebOS all the way, it's such a great device.. The sad thing about it is that 90% of Smartphone users want apps, yet the App Store for WebOS has almost nothing. Having my Palm Pre for over a year now, I've only found 10 GOOD apps. Along with most Palm Pre users, I'd have to give the app store a 1.5/5.. it's just awful.. it basically ruins the phone and is what made me buy an iPhone 4. To improve this device, I really think HP needs to install two WebOS phones: one phone should basically have a huge screen, no physical keyboard, and 4 physical buttons on the bottom. The next one which is already in the works is the Palm Pre 2, for those that just love the Palm Pre. Out of the many devices out there today, without a doubt WebOS has the most potential to become something great.
you gotta have some respect for WebOS. Even if we haven't had the required hardware for mainstream consumers WebOS is taking on every other Mobile OS and giving them a tough fight. I can only imagine what this poll would be like after Feb 9th or even after March 14th. I know WebOS has a sure and bright future with the help of HP's big money bag.
So even if we don't win this which I think we can, you gotta respect the support WebOS has.
@i told u so .com
"as I stated most votes are from users that have a WebOS device, and have never used WP7 period."
WP7 should not even be in this poll let alone leading. It has the makings of being a very good mobile OS but until it adds basic functionality it is nothing more than a beta release. webOS is widely regarded as being one of the best around with most flaws being hardware or platform (i.e. apps) related and therefore irrelevant to this poll.
Repeatedly voting from my tethered webOS phone. Can a W7 do that?
It's funny, before i came here i never even heard of WebOS. Neither had 6 of my mates. Yet there's thousands of votes and people saying "it's taking on every other platform". It can't be that good if 99% of the world don't know it.
After researching it, it just looks like a pile of crap. It reminds me of the dreadful Nokia Symbian OS's that caused people to go into depression. What a waste of a phone, sticking that rubbish on it.
Guys, WP7 is not a real mobileOS right now. Currently it is nothing more than an idiotic joke. It has no features and is buggy as hell. The only reason it is leading against that genuine smartphone OS, WebOS, is because MS employees are cheating and WP7 worshipers are cheating. WP7 doesn't have enough real-world users to have that many votes. Even those who do have WP7 and don't hate it and are aware of this poll are a very small number.
The biggest dumbass excuse the WP7 community gives for the lack of features in WP7 is that the iPhone nor Android had them at launch. I kid you not! They have worn that line out. LMAO!! MS was too lazy to implement proper features and figures everyone are sheep. When you have to reboot your WP7 device to make it play music, you know you have a crap OS.
WP7 is the worst mobile OS that has ever been created. It is worse than WinMo, for god sake. I highly recommend to everyone not voting for WP7. I highly recommend to everyone to vote for WebOS, and do what the WP7'ers are doing; cheating.
Russia votes WebOs!!!
WP7 has taken a strong lead since yesterday and don't seem like they are giving it IP.. Go WP7 Go WP7 Go… LOL
@ Web-what?
It's funny, but here in Russia, we have everything you have in USA: iPhone, lots of Androids, WP7. Everything is selling officially. The only thing you cannot buy in Russia in a shop – Palm phones with WebOs. Palm was too small and had no power enough to spread its "gem" to the whole world. You can find Treos and Centro. The last model I saw in a shop two years ago was Treo 500 on WinMo with no touchscreen… But even in Russia, WebOs is well-known for its elegance, functionality and real multitasking. People buy Palm phones on eBay or bring them from Europe (my Palm Pre 2 is from England). We do anything to get phones with WebOs because this OS is better than any other existing mobile OS. And you, Webwhat?, may be sure – more than 99% of the world knows how WebOs is great.
I'm sure that WP7 will progress (with all the money MS is investing in). One day it will multitask, copy/paste and do everything WebOs is doing already. But right here and right now WebOs is more functional, more elegant and uses better gestures than any other OS. We love WebOs! …Even if it loses this poll.
P.S.: WebOs for me is as functional as Windows on my home PC. I can open as many windows (cards) as I need for my work and easily switch between them. I don't need to close one app for opening of another one… as you do
"Repeatedly voting from my tethered webOS phone. Can a W7 do that?"
Its not everyday that you get an awesome OS like Windows Phone 7.
WEBOS rules!!
No OS can beat it !
I never used webos, but all I can say is WP7 IS THE FASTEST, MOST FLUID,SIMPLE,UNIQUE OS, wp7is 3months old. I know web os old and hackable,returnable hardware/os. There's a difference between being loyal and in DENIAL!!!!
I was reading the Facebook page of webos and most of the users are COMPLAINING.
I JUST hope the upcoming hp/pre will be another competition.HD7
I cant be more than happy that IOS or Android isnt in the finals, Im not opposed to webOS (though I ve never tried it) but I hear nothing but positive comments.Cant knock it if I havent tried it, actually using it and seeing a review on youtube are 2 completely different things for those of you who are simple-minded and really think your phones reign superior. I love wp7 though, and I too am voting for wp7, from my windows 7, because my hd7 is asleep right beside me… I dont wanna wake him up hahah.
@ Marty L K
So we're cheating yet I have a screenshot of you on the pre forums telling everyone to cheat with directions. It's funny because I dont see anything like that on the WP7 forums. It's winning because unlike any other phone OS out there it is truly innovative. As for your resetting your phone to play music, I've never had to. I'm not shocked that you can't operate a simple cellphone though
Voted from my PC and my PC only because I believe WP7 can do it legitimately unlike Marty L K who is encouraging palm users to cheat.
W7ers, cheating isn't going to make your OS any better. WebOS is, and probably always will be significantly better than W7. Cheating to rig the vote is childish and proves you have no life. I actually pity you imbeciles.
Less than 100 votes. There is no excuse for webOS not winning big. Vote for webOS now. Resistance is futile, and will just irritate me.
Way to call as you see it Lance.
Both sides are cheating! And I think it is pathetic. Unfortunately the integrity of this poll is about on par with Ben Roethlisberger's character level.
@ Funny Is An Idiot
You are aware that precentral was inhabited by Marty L K who gave all your users step by step instructions on how to cheat. This post has sincebeen moved but yeah, if anyones cheating it's WebOS.
Lance, I'm aware that both sides are cheating. I just went back and forth between both forumns, and they both condone cheating. I think everyone invloved (cheaters on both sides) is pathetic. Yes, that includes Marty K, but it also includes all of you who are stooping down to his level. I would like to see WebOS win because I truly believe it is the better OS, but I won't resort to cheating. It doesn't mean THAT much to me. But I guess to you children it means life or death.
And for the record I think W7 is a great OS, I just like WebOS even better (multitasking with ease, highly customizeable, etc). The hardware is what has been holding WebOS back.
Here is a copy & paste of the post ebosian posted in the XDA WP7 forum about this poll. If you go to the forum thread entitled "Mobile OS Bowl Bracket Showdown: WP7 vs WebOS" in the WP7 General section you will be able to see all of the cheating tactics.
"Ok, who volunteers to take one for the team and head to your local library and ensure those IP addresses are used as a vote for WP7?
As I head out, I'll see if I can find free access points to vote some more"
It's pretty amazing how close the poll is.
Even with cheaters, it appears to be pretty even. It's as if they're canceling each other out.
@ Funny Is An Idiot i Not to worry, Palm has plans for larger hardware…probably about the size of an iPhone or maybe even the HTC HD2. And yes, WebOS has the best multitasking ever created. The whole system is very intelligently designed and works near flawlessly. To bad the XDA devs don't do a custom WebOS ROM for the HTC HD2.
Ya'll quit complaining. Cheating? Not cheating? People bragging about stuff that isn't really possible just to aggravate the opponent. Do you think all those things that the linebackers said about Rothlesberger's Momma were true? Or just intended to mess with his concentration so he'd throw an interception.. and it seems to have worked…
So I'm telling you once and for all. Media uses webOS, is a Steelers fan, and carries a marijuana prescription to deal with the headaches that your whining cause. Stop fussing and vote. Or don't vote, but stop fussing.
And remember that at 10am PST on Wednesday, HP is gonna rock the world with webOS announcements. So be sure you watch for that. Once that event is over, those saying bad things about webOS will feel even dumber (dummer) than they already do for voting for WinPhone7…
@Tyler Perry's House of Phones: Exactly! That's why it's ridiculous that Laptop Mag is ending the poll tomorrow, instead of Wednesday night.
@lewislink you have to fair this came come from precentral.com:
"Guys, I found a reliable way to multivote! Remove the blog.laptopmag.com cookie before each vote. I intend to single-handedly remove the WP7 lead.
I truly like webos and voted for wp7 but honestly either one deserves to win and if you look at the numbers I dont think anyone's cheating true or not is making a difference.
I have to admit, I simply love both so voting is hard !!!
Everyone multivote the pre like me to win over windoze 7. Remove your cookies and revote.
Looks like Marty has been busy. WebOS is pulling away.
Ultimately, they are both pretty terrific. Myself, I give the nod to webOS as it's a bit more mature. Waiting to see some really slick and fast webOS tabs from HP, but also hope to see some serious progress in WP7 land.
I think the big loser is iOS, which is still stuck in ObjC land and a UI that's running out of places to embed new functionality. Apple's going to have to rip off a feature or two eventually, and that's just not gonna make them look very good. Customizable home screen? There's basically 3 answers they can give:
snotty: You don't need it (not beyond them, not by a long shot)
rip off an old enemy: WP7's customizable tiles
rip off a new enemy: Android's widgets
You know, I want a Windows Phone 7 device, but I voted for WebOS. I just want to see them succeed and I honestly think that WebOS is one of if not the best operating systems.
+1 if laptopmag will stop running these stupid polls!! please stop laptopmag, please?
"Repeatedly voting from my tethered webOS phone. Can a W7 do that?"
tethering on my samsung focus, yes. repeatedly voting, why?
my WP7 multitasks better than my WebOS phone did…
@ben how many drinks did you have to be able to say that Win7 multitasks better than WebOS? I am surprised you didn't get hit by a lighting bolt when you clicked submit comment.
have you lost your mind?
Well, this has become a cheaters race. It's depressing really. If you want to know the reason MartyLK is so angry it's because he picked up the phone without reading into it at all and is fixated on its few shortcomings rather than what it does flawlessly. He essentially wanted android with a prettier UI and is crying because that's not what he got. I pin him around 11 and insecure, it takes a lot to harbor that much anger without reason.
@ben, I think you have confused the terms 'multitasking' and 'task switching' with the phrase 'my wp7 phone can accomplish multiple tasks that I need to accomplish during an average day'.
Do you see the difference with them written nxt to each other so you can say them out loud and compare them? I'm sure you can accomplish multiple tasks and that's really good to hear. But when you want to have 30 or 40 apps open and switch among them seamlesy with them fully operaring in the background…. Just stop over to the webos forums and we'll show you what webOS can do!
I love the fact that some feel the need to cheat to win. Is that really winning though?
The fact that both OS's were neck to neck not that long ago and now webOS keeps on gaining a bigger lead at a pretty quick rate, makes it obvious that some people are cheating the poll.
Just because you cheat, does not make your OS better.
love my pre2. nothing like webos 2.0. I hope HP takes webos and brings all others to their knees. all hail the all mighty WEBOS!
So, I checked out precentral and saw that Marty is pretty much the main cheater there. Other people there might lightly cheat, like I'm sure some WP7 supporters do. But nobody is really that obsessed to the point of showing possible mental issues. Well, other than Marty. But he's not even a real webOS guy. He's just such a WP7 hater that I really am astonished at how wacky he is.
lol @ multivote
It depends entirely on your definition of cheating. The vast majority of non-webOS comments indicate a clear ignorance towards the OS and the many advantages it holds over rival systems. Others show an ignorance towards the intention of this poll by discussing irrelevant aspects like hardware and the app store. Which is worse, an educated person voting twice or an ignorant one voting once? How many people do you think voted against iOS and Android, purely out of spite, in order to set up this final in the first place? A poll of this nature is always flawed which makes any complaints an irrelevance. Embrace the free-for-all for what it is.
all this talk of "cheating" is really childish. Everyone has the same opportunity to vote, or to attempt to vote more than once. There are many more WinPhone7 and WinMo6 users in the world than webOS users. Which ever side pulls ahead is met with whining from the other.
The only reason I'm concerned about people on either OS voting more than once is that every time they do, a kitten dies. It's pretty heartless of people on either side to be causing all the senseless kitten deaths. Stop doing that.
When the dust settles and the whining from the waaaaaa-mbulance siren finally stops, webOS will win. It always does. Whether it's the best… it proves the most passionate users are those that have webOS phones. So don't knock it until you've tried it.
@ Billy G Ates, that would make sense if the WebOS market had more than 10 useful apps. WebOS regardles of its form is really just dull and unattractive, the interface reminds me of something I might have seen on my razor in 2002 and there is absolutely nothing fun on it. It's nowhere near as fluid and not innovative either. It looks like motoblur just vomited out it's own OS. I for one will always pick the phone that's more innovative and user friendly. Enjoy winning due entirely to cheating.
Webos is a great os. And if you look at the app catalog or use the homebrew apps you can see there a lot more useful apps than you think. Plus there are lots of patches and plugins that customize your phone to your liking. And trust me the Razor is no comparison to the Pre or Pixi. I for one think both os are good and it is deservingly so that the two best are on top. I tried the others. My wife has the evo and I do not like the os, iphone it's ok but not really going anywhere different than previous phones.
Unfortunately, Palm loses its ground for 2 years, hopefully they can catch up as they are the mother of all PDA. With the new WebOS, I was shocked with what iPhone cannot do – multi-tasking. Having said this, each of these smartphones have their own strength and weakness.
a. Pre 2 – because of the flexibility of allowing us to change the battery, the cover may not be that elegant, hopefully this is fixed in the coming version. Apart from this, WebOS is still evolving and hoping the best for it.
b. iOS- had another look at it after using Pre 2, it seems that it is really not as intuitive as WebOS. The advantage is speed of the UI and large apps market as it has been around for at least 4 years.
c. Win 7 – very fluid UI, but large app's size.
d. Android – free OS and heaps of supplier selling tablets, phones all over the world. Disadvantage is UI is not as fluid as iOS. Still got some improvement to do to beat iOS.
e. Bada – boot up the fastest of all OS mentioned here. UI too simple and looks similar to Android. Advantage is Samsung is pouring millions in to boost apps development.
f. Symbian ^3 – tried it and didn't like the OS, looks like Nokia got heaps to do. Hopefully Meego can do better this time.
My 2 cents…
g. Blackberry – sufficient for business user who envies the fun that the rest of the smartphone users are enjoying.
WebOS supporters… we made it! we achieved it… we can be very proud of ourselves by cheating our little asses to the top. yes WindowsPhone supporters had the most votes without cheating, but who cares.
We are going to win we cheating little pieces of shit. Yes we are. Now I'm going over to my friend marty… we are planning to take over the world with our tiny pixi WebOS devices. feb 9, be prepared…but dont ask me what will be on feb 9, because i don't know it. but it will change the world, i'm sure. although nobody knows what feb 9 is about anyways. i am so stupid. HAHAHA Let's shove or palms up our asses and call each other…mmhh nice vibrating!!!
HP WeB OS
WebOS has won!! It don't matter if WebOS fans cheated because Win7 fans cheated also!! Tomorrow we will get our prize!! Yay!!!
(Writing this post from my Pre Plus.) "Cheating?" maybe, but I doubt it. I voted early on and upon first voting got a "thanks for voting" message. Upon further views I've hit the webOS button again numerous times to get the latest results and was met by a "your vote has already been counted" message EVERY SUBSEQUENT TIME. I'm guessing that has been the case for most voting.
webOS is a multitasking, notifications wonder! There is no other OS capable of juggling so much info so well! WP7 is beautiful and innovative but it is not as capable an OS as webOS.
Love all the WebOS whiners coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden becoming apologists for the cheating that has got WebOS the votes is has in this poll. Let's face it, it's already got more votes that handsets sold world wide by a factor of at least 2.
WebOS has been the least successfull and capable phone OS ever, it bankrupted plam and god knows how much it'll lose even HP for the forseeable future before they abandon it as a poor attempt to compete with the iPad.
The fanboys here can convince themselves that rigging a vote under the cover of "a few passionate users" gives them legitimacy but then the fact is they've wasted money on an irrelevant OS with no market, few apps and almost no place in the modern Phone OS market.
Let's face it – shouting "but WebOS can multitask" is a hollow advantage when there's no apps for the dead platform to actually switch between.
Being that random acts of cheating is obviously happening I'm calling on the forces of Laptopmag to declare a tie and victory for both WP7 and WebOs and send all the trolls back to their respective caves weeping besides they ran neck and neck the entire competition until magically today. What say you Laptopmag?
People, it's not the poll that's important! What's important is that we all recognize that Marty is clearly mentally disturbed, and we all need to rally around and help him to get the treatment he needs!
Nothing compares to webOS , it�s simply the best !
Oh man, now the Win7 fans are gonna whine and complaining with their statements that WebOS fans cheated which I don't doubt they did. But Win7 fans cheated also and there is no question about that. I guess at the end it was more of a which fan was more passionate for its OS to keep finding ways to vote it to the top. I guess us WebOS fans love our OS more than the Win7 kids.
And yes, @KRHOMA, we need to get help for Marty. I say we make a poll to choose what kind of treatment we will get for him!!
Penalty, 2%, HP WebOS
Penalty, 1%, WP7
Winner, WebOS
Although I believe WP7 is the best OS congratulations on the victory WebOS!
Um, it should not be possible to cheat by removing the blog.laptopmag.com cookie. The poll is hosted at polldaddy.com for crying out loud. All of you guys are freaking out over nothing. Marty is just a WP7 plant.
funny they talk about whinners and cheaters bottom line Webos won so deal with it. Anything that anyone was thought to be doing, could have been done by the WP7 folks. for the record I believe even now Webos sold more devices then WP7 to date, and with the annoucnment tomarrow with HP the biggest and most successfull PC maker in the world behind them, these WP7 people will be Webos users very very soon. See you on the wagon lol
HP/Palm Webos the future in innovation
I didn't get to vote for Windows Mobile 6! Now THAT's a customizable multi-tasking OS!
How is it that the two worst selling OSes (with the exception of Meego which isn't even officially available) make it to the finals? People who are voting with their wallets are voting for Android, iOS, and Blackberry.
WebOS has won yet again! You put up a good fight, WP7 fans, thank you.
On the cheating: First, PollDaddy.com polls go by the IP address, so those who thought they could just wipe their cookies and vote endlessly were wasting their time. Not one extra vote of theirs counted.
I confess, I voted as often as I could, but at least I did the legwork. I went to my local mall and loaded this page up on as many computer screens as I could. But, it works by the IP address, so at Best Buy, with their dozens and dozens of computers I was only able to vote one additional time. Every laptop is logged into the same Wi-Fi network and shares the same IP address.
I did have better luck with the mobile phone stores. With each of their demo smartphones activated with their own IP address, I think I voted about 20 extra times. I can't be sure how much my extra votes helped, but while I was engaged in my "cheating" webOS' lead increased by almost a tenth of one percent. NOTE: other votes were absolutley still being cast by other people during this time.
windows windows 3d 3d windows wp7…. hahaha
Voted for webOS… from my iPhone
I voted for WP7 with an HD7, My Laptop, My GalaxyTab, Evo, iPhone 4 and a blackberry… to no avail lol
@ Brian
How do you consider WP7 the worst selling OS? It hasnt been out for an entire quarter yet and youre already making that claim? And webOS was the BEST OS in my opinion pre WP7 but the Hardware wasnt good enough for me and i didnt have sprint so i never got it and by the time it jumped carriers i moved on to the HD2…
This wasnt a sales competition, it was a BEST OS competition and the correct 2 ended up in the finals
Voted for webOS from my Evo. I loved webOS but hardware is lacking. Software is probably best out there, we will have to see what happens tomorrow!
You won't see me making any apologies. I am satisfied that WebOS won. It so much deserves the win. It is a real smartphone OS WP7 is not a smartphone OS and sucks ass and is a suck-ass mobile OS with a community controlled by assholes who are losers and now own a loser system. Cheers!
Just curious… what user forum do the WP7 guys usually hang out at? is it WPcentral, or something else?
LOL at Colonel Kernel. That's a great explanation because I had no idea how the voting from multiple PC's/devices thing worked. Thanks for helping "the good guy" win, LOL!
Well I have to say, the WebOS win is well deserved. Yes, they haven't sold much in the past, but that is NOT due to the OS, it's been the hardware. It's seriously a SOLID mobile OS. The battery life on the hardware has been my main complaint. But really, do you think a company the size of HP (and with a proven takeover track record) would purchase a company to see it fail?? We're talking about the largest IT company in the world here. They are going to put their purchasing muscle, their strength in hardware, their dollars and their worldwide brand recognition behind this OS, I guarantee it (they'd be dumb not to!). It may take a while to get there, because they'll have to build awareness around WebOS again (frankly the Palm folks didn't know how to market their product), beef up their app store etc, but you can be sure that if ANYBODY has a chance of competing against Apple, it will be HP and WebOS.
Voto per Windows phone 7 *_* anche se mi piace molto la nuova idea lanciata da google…
forgot to vote but glad the outcome was in webOS' favor
@ Homer Simpson
A lot of the WP7 users hang out at XDA (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=608). Cheers.
HP confirmed today 02-09-2011
webOS 2.0 is not for smart phones, is only tablets… for now.
which mean Windows Phone 7 is the clear winner!!!!
@Prometo f:
no, webOS 3.0 is for tablets (for the beginning)
webOS 2.x is for smartphones at this time


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Behind the house is a large, sheltered garden, good for playing or sunbathing. A pair of solid wooden gates fence off the drive and road. (Next door's garden has an enormous henhouse, so there are lots of clucking sounds in the background but, thankfully, while we were there, no early-morning alarm-call cockerel.) There's also an outside shower, for de-sanding humans and wetsuits.
In terms of children's gear, there's a highchair, plus plastic cups and bowls etc. If you need a travel cot, you can hire it from the property manager. There's a selection of kids' books and a box of toys. The house has free WiFi and a Sky box. There's no DVD or CD player, so bring your own if a favourite film or audio book is essential to winding your children down after an exciting day. And if you have very young babies and need sterilisers and the like, you'll need to bring them, too.
You also need to hire towels separately, so you could bring your own beach towels and hire bathroom towels to cut down on your post-holiday washing load. But there is a washing machine and separate drier in the utility room.
The house is ideally situated halfway between Croyde village centre and Croyde Bay (we're talking walks of about 400m either way) and has lovely views over the sand dunes. The village is chocolate-box pretty, with thatched cottages and a little stream going through the centre, and surrounded by lush Devon hills. But it's very much a magnet for surfers, so boards and wetsuits abound, giving a nice ancient-meets-modern vibe.
The village shop looks touristy, but actually has lots of useful and not overpriced basics, plus a bakery section, with bread, pasties, scones and cakes. Next door is a post office, if you still prefer the printed version of your daily paper. Both The Thatch and Billy Budd pubs do huge plates of pub grub, and The Blue Groove cafe is recommended for brunch or early evening meals. Try to get a seat on the terrace. Billy Budd's has a good children's play area in its garden, and there's also a village playground.
The Rock pub in the next village of Georgeham is really friendly and has good food. It was packed when we went, so definitely worth pre-booking.
From the house, in the direction of the beach, there's a holiday park called Ruda with a Costcutter that opens at 8am, for milk etc, plus ice cream kiosk, cafe, and a fish and chippery. At the other end of the village there's another holiday park which has a swimming pool, jacuzzi etc that non-staying guests can pay to use.
There are two routes down to the beach, and Stonesthrow is on one of them, so it couldn't be more straightforward. There are lifeguards and clear signs about where and when to swim, plus all the usual amenities and a busy surf school. People are surfing and body-boarding from dawn till dusk. Non-surfers pootle about in the shallows, charge around in the sand dunes, collect shells, build sandcastles etc etc. We were there during the wettest June since records began (sob) and all of the above was happening, despite the weather.
Around the headlands on either side of Croyde Bay are much longer beaches - Saunton Sands one way and Putsborough Beach the other. Both are child-friendly, very clean and staggeringly beautiful. Putsborough is particularly nice for evening beach-strolls. You can walk to Saunton Sands along the coastal walk from Croyde Bay and then back to Croyde across country on clearly marked paths. Baggy Point is another easy walk from the house, with great views as your reward.
Inland, Barnstaple is the nearest big town - it has a great market and lots of nice shops if you want a bit of retail therapy. Park in the short stay car park next to the river (a right turning shortly before the high street). Nearby seaside towns to visit include Woolacombe and Ilfracombe. The latter is one of the places you can catch a boat to Lundy Island.
Lundy is extraordinary. If bird-watching and seal-spotting are your thing, you'll love it. It's 19km (12 miles) off the Devon coast and measures 5km by 1.2km. There's no traffic, so sounds have an amazingly sharp clarity. The two sides of the island are like separate eco-systems (west, windblown and wild; east, sheltered and warm). Dolphins leapt around our boat on the trip out (magical) and we saw seals in the bay on our way back to the boat. (A word of warning: the cruise can get a bit choppy and takes almost two hours each way, which obviously felt like a very long time to the mini-seafarers who were unlucky enough to be seasick.)
You then get about three hours to explore the island. The walk up from where the boat moors is pretty steep for little legs, and not all of it is pushchair friendly, so you'll do quite a bit of carrying. But once you've got to the top, it's easier going. The Marisco pub at the centre of the tiny village is a genuine haven, with good beer and food. There's a tiny shop, mainly with provisions for campers or people staying in the Landmark properties, but with a few touristy mementoes. It's not a cheap day out (family of four ticket wasRead moreLess
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Roadrunners burn Herd
SAN ANTONIO — Marshall's Thundering Herd fell hard Thursday night in its Conference USA men's basketball opener.
UTSA, one of the league's new members, broke from a tie with 11:15 left to play to post a 90-81 victory in its debut game played for a turnout of 813 spectators in the Convocation Center.
The Roadrunners made shots from everywhere in a 56.6 percent shooting performance, including hitting seven of nine 3-point attempts. They pulled away after leading 41-40 at halftime by making 16 of 26 field goal attempts (61.5 percent) in the second period.
"We did not defend in any aspect," said Marshall head coach Tom Herrion.
Marshall (6-10 season, 0-1 conference) has lost all eight of its games this season away from Huntington.
The Herd struggled with its shooting in a 44.6 percent showing on field goals and 17 of 29 (58.6 percent) on free throws.
UTSA (5-9 season, 1-0 conference) had a huge boost from junior guard Keon Lewis, who came in averaging 15.3 points per game but had missed the last three contests because of a head injury.
Lewis scored 23 in 22 minutes from off the bench.
Marshall point guard Kareem Canty scored the first seven of the second period to erase UTSA's halftime lead. TyQuane Goard sank a pair of foul shots that put the Herd ahead for the final time, 49-48, with 16:35 to go.
The Roadrunners went on top by six before forward Shawn Smith led a Herd uprising. Smith dunked twice on feeds from Tamron Manning, made a steal and drove for a layup and made two foul shots that tied the score, 61-61, with 11:15 remaining.
Lewis followed with five consecutive UTSA points for a five-point advantage and Hyjii Thomas, who scored 14, drove for a layup and UTSA had a 70-63 lead and just 7:29 remained to play. Philip Jones rebounded a teammate's airball and scored, then completed a three-point play to make it 79-67 with 4:01 left in the game.
Canty scored 26 on 9-for-22 shooting to lead the Herd and picked up 10 points in the final five minutes. Smith added 16 points and had seven rebounds. Chris Thomas had 11.
Marshall forward Ryan Taylor had eight points and eight rebounds, all in the first half. Taylor got in early foul trouble and eventually fouled out.
Goard and Smith also fouled out for the Herd.
"With the foul trouble we got small very quick," Herrion said. "We were shorthanded off the bench."
Yous Mbao, the Herd's 7-foot-2 backup center, didn't play because of an ailing knee. Manning played for 24 minutes at guard after sitting out two games because of groin injury.
The contest was tight with 13 lead changes and 16 ties before UTSA went ahead with 11 minutes left. Marshall's largest was 30-25 at 6:21 of the first half.
Marshall flies Friday across Texas for a 9:05 p.m. Saturday game at UTEP (10-6, 0-1) who lost a Thursday home game against Charlotte, 73-68.
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Michael De Leon
Michael A. De Leon is a graphic designer by day, but wears many hats in his off time. In 2004, after several years of covering the Spurs, he started Project Spurs, a Spurs team fansite as an outlet to provide content to Spurs fans, while continuing to write for himself and learning the ins and outs of online publishing and web design. He has since built a writing team and started a popular weekly Spurs podcast called the Spurscast.
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Night Shift
First Team
It was my first night at a new emergency department, so I was just getting used to the system and the people. Everything seemed to be going along smoothly. The staff was great and very welcoming. The patients were pleasant and generally not so sick as to create a stressful first shift. The PA, who functioned completely independent of me, seemed competent and knowledgeable. There was just one thing in my orientation shift that caused me a little concern.
"I assume the PAs run this part of the ED," I said as the doc who was orienting me pointed to the fast track rooms.
"No," he said bluntly. "The patients are all mixed up. You'll see fast track just like the PAs." It wasn't that I was 'too good' to see fast track patients. Rather, I was concerned about the more complicated patients being seen by the PAs.
"That's OK," I thought. "I'll just have to keep visibility on all the patients in the ED, whether I see them or not." I was in the habit of doing that anyway, but I knew that I'd have to be careful not to insult the abilities of the PAs. I'd need their cooperation when things got busy. The last thing I needed was to paralyze them with the impression that I didn't trust them.
Despite my best intentions, half way through my first shift the PA sat down and presented me with a stack of charts, mostly for patients of whom I was unaware. It was clear by the way she simply slid the stack of charts over to me – physician signature box on the back page facing up – that she expected me to simply sign them and get on with things.
"I can read through each of the charts or you can summarize each case," I said. "Either way, I need to become thoroughly comfortable with the care on each chart before I sign it. I don't want to insult your intelligence, but I need to know what you know before I'll feel comfortable blindly signing your charts."
Rather than appearing insulted or challenged, the PA seemed genuinely pleased to be given the opportunity to present her work. I knew that it could have been much different with a different PA, so I took her response with a lot of gratitude, hopeful for a good working relationship.
The cases were pretty simple and we got through them without many questions. But before we could get back to work, a young woman with a lab coat that read 'Laboratory' over the pocket walked up to address the PA. "I have a critical lab for you," she said, completely ignoring me. "And I couldn't give you a diff because all the white cells are so immature that I can't really tell what they are."
This case was completely new to me and had not been presented by the PA since the patient was still in the ED. "What's the critical lab?" I interrupted.
"The platelets are only 16,000."
"What IS the white count?" I asked with a growing alarm.
I took a deep breath of concern. "Do you want to tell me about this case?" I said to the PA, trying not to sound irritated.
"Well," she said, turning to me with an expression I couldn't read as confusion, irritation, or mild embarrassment. "This is a 30-year-old male who presents with a high fever and a sore throat . . . which is positive for strep."
There was a slight pause that briefly led me to think that she was going to stop there. "His past medical history is that he had leukemia five years ago, but went into remission after several rounds of chemotherapy."
After a long silence, I launched into a long string of questions about the history and physical exam. She knew some of the answers, showing that she had simply shortened the presentation to its essence. But other questions were met with a simple, yet eager, "I don't know. I'll go find out."
"He did complain that his neck was a little stiff and painful. And he has a headache," she added as if throwing in a last bit of detail as we headed toward his room. I quickened my pace.
Upon pulling back the curtains to enter the room I was relieved to find a healthy-appearing young man. However, with the room only steps from the spot where I had been quizzing the PA, it was clear that the patient and his young wife had both overheard our conversation and were preparing for the worst news. The patient was muscular and strongly built, but his face was clouded by a stiff expression of fear and impending doom. His wife was weeping and talking on the phone to a relative.
I breathed a deep sigh of relief as I went through my own history and physical. His fever was already under control. His neck was not stiff and the headache was minor. I had envisioned entering the room of a patient in septic shock or a hemorrhagic CVA. It was clear that this patient was in a lot more trouble than just a sore throat, but at least he wasn't going to crash on my shift.
Somewhat relieved that a disaster was not imminent, I was tempted to step back and let the PA proceed with the treatment and disposition. It turned out to be a great teaching case, and the PA was an eager learner. However, it was clear that the patient and his wife needed the emotional reassurance of my personal involvement. No one could tell them what to expect from this, but they needed to know that we were doing everything possible to have the very best outcome. When it was time to talk to the patient's oncologist, I first thought that it would be a good opportunity for the PA to interact directly with the specialist. But after some consideration I realized that he, too, needed to know that our institution (the patient required transfer) was giving his patient our best.
In the end, the patient was treated in an appropriate and timely fashion. A transfer was arranged and received by a grateful treating physician. And the patient, though seriously ill and frightened, was comforted and reassured by the knowledge that he had received the best medical care possible.
When I finished the shift, I knew the patient was on the right path, yet I couldn't shake the feeling that things could have gone very, very differently that night.
Throughout my career playing basketball in high school and then college, it was always a big deal to be on the 'first team'. The 'starting five' were the best on the team and got introduced to the crowd at the start of the game. In a close game, the bench never stepped onto the floor. One time, however, my coach decided to start the second team. He meant well. The opponents were weak and the first team needed a rest. I'm sure he thought he could put us in if they got in trouble. But our opponents, surprised by their ability to overpower our second team, began to play 'over their heads'. The starters, possibly overconfident by the bravado of our coach, had become disinterested in the game until we were far behind. When the coach finally put the first team in, we were sluggish and had difficulty regaining the momentum. We were cold and surprised that this "easy" team was really rolling. We fought back before a cheering crowd with a brilliant comeback, but lost a stunning upset in the final seconds. As I watched our fans sit in stunned silence while our opponents were celebrating wildly, I turned to confront our coach. Our expressions reflected the same thought. 'This should never have happened.' It was a lesson that has stuck with me for a lifetime.
# Hmmm. — 2011-04-04 20:02
Sounds like the Doc needs to first learn to converse about patients in an area away from where they can hear. Sounds like they also need to learn that ANY provider can catch an error made by another, even a nurse catching an error by a Doc ... while I'm glad that the situation worked out in the end, I'm a little wary of the bravado.
# Dr.Sourbutt — 2011-04-07 12:45
I "rode the pines" @ UT-Knoxville... as I tell recruiters, administrators. ..re: ER Docs (and I'msure is applies to midlevels)...Ma ny are called...few are chosen
# second team member — 2011-04-07 16:04
Wow, thank you Dr Plaster. I can honestly say I have never been so thoroughly insulted by a published professional article in my career. I want to remind you what the rest of the entire medical staff thinks of emergency medicine physicians. I have sat through many a hospital meeting where EPs were referred to as second team. Kinda like a specialist but not quite. So if we want "first team" only we should staff our emergency departments with Orthopedists, OB/GYNs and Cardiologists! Maybe it is because I am getting long in the tooth, but patients VERY RARELY ask me if they can "see the doctor." And YES I introduce myself to EVERY patient as a PA! But almost daily our department hears requests from both patients and family expecting to see an Orthopedist or Dermatologist or Cardiologist.
And I am SURE you walked uphill both ways to practice! If any TEAM could play an entire season with just its starters, it would. But no TEAM can. Just as your basketball did not have 5 starting centers or guards. No, it had 5 starters each with a specific roll or job, just like a medical TEAM. I contend you started your second team to prove your superiority over the other team. "The other team was weak." Sounds like a cocky SOB wanting to strut around campus. Or maybe you are suggesting you should have had a team of 10-13 starters? Reminds me of an Alex Baldwin line, in a movie where he was playing a doctor "I don't have a God complex, I am God." BTW IF you really played an entire game where your starters NEVER got off the floor for a rest or breather then your coach was an idiot! Or are you truely not just all knowing but all powerfull as well? BTW in "your" navy were there position players or just admirals?
The more I re-read your article the more I am struck by the question, is this an issue of PA's abilities or of you being a control freak that can't believe anyone but you is competent to see patients? (Don't answer that one, let your wife answer it!) I wonder how much you trust the ability of your fellow physicians! Does signing out a patient to another physician give you anxiety? Before you break your arm patting your back let me ask you . . . This patient, according to you was a "healthy-appear ing young man." How many "doctors" would draw labs on that patient with just complaints of a sore throat? How many doctors would even do a rapid strep? MOST doctors I work with would have been too busy working on critical patients to sit down and take a thorough history from a "health-appeari ng young man" with complaints of a sore throat. They would just write the Rx for antibiotics, pain medications and a work/school note and sent the patient home! You should be thanking God that the PA had taken the time to obtain a complete history and knew enough to draw labs on this "healthy-appear ing young man." Sounds like the PA saved the day. But no, just like so many God complex physicians you came swooping in at the last minute to rescue the stupid, untrained, incompetent, poor PA, (who had the situation well under control) and then go off to remind yourself how smart you really are.
Let me remind you PAs have been practicing medicine a lot longer than there have been board certified emergency medicine doctors. If you can't handle that go find a job where you are the only player on the team.
Oh, and yes. As a PA I was only able to read your article because a doctor helped me with the big words.
# 2011-04-08 05:24
I am sorry, where was the error? PA learned the results the same moment the doc did. Doc took over case - NO mention as to whether PA could handle case or not, just assumptions and bravado on the part of the doc. NO ERROR WAS MADE. PA knew enough to test and not just treat and street. Again - WHERE IS THE ERROR?
I read Mark Plasters "first team" article because a PA friend of mine gave me the heads up to check it out.
shifts ago, a 61 y/o gentleman was sent to our fast track with a big swollen leg. I bounced him back to the ED because he needed a DVT w/u.
The ED doc(read, "first team")sent him away with a dx of "cellulitis". Fortunately for the "first team" , he had the smarts to have to patient f/u in the fast tack for a "wound check". I ultrasounded the "wound" and there was a clot from his iliacs on down. I, in colaboration with the admitting hospitalist and clinical pharmacist, admitted the patient, started anti coagulation and everything went smoothly.
medicine is a team sport and, at least at the hospital I work in, the docs, PAs, RNs, pharmacists, techs, etc, etc work as a team. We have each others backs because people are imperfect and make mistakes; even those on the "first team". The doc who missed this DVT, he is one of the smartest, most competent ED doc I know and I would entrust my life, as well as my wife and kids to his care. I cannot say what evolution of events lead this MD to miss an obvious DVT, but he did and I am glad that we have the professional relationship and trust which allows us to cover each other without elitist, arrogant attitude.
So here is my message to Dr PLaster. Get over yourself. I know for a fact that you have made medical errors that have lead to bad patient outcomes. I am willing to bet that one of your bounce backs was met with disdain by the next ED doc who probably thought that you were a big idiot for missing the "obvious" dx.
so why don't you curb your arrogance and elitism. It is clear that the PA in question did nothing wrong and that the patient received "first team" care
# 2011-04-09 03:15
I agree with the previous comment -- it's easy to find the error someone else made, and easy to miss your own. The PA in this case heard the crtical lab value exactly at the same time as the doc -- if it had been completely normal, would the doc have been as concerned? And how does he know the PA wouldn't have immediately consuted him when the value was learned? And yes, you don't discuss cases within hearing of patients!!
As far as the first comment, maybe the "2nd team" lost precisely because the coach never let them play, they were not used to working together under pressure, and were "disinterested" as a result. The bravado is on the writer's side, not the 2nd strings'!!
Wake up people, this is ALL about team care of patients, rspect for colleagues of all levels, and our number one priority being our patients, not protecting ones' turf!
# Ms. — 2011-04-09 03:22
The PA learned of the critical lab values at exactly the same time as the doc -- how does the doc know the PA wouldn't have immediately consulted him when the results were received? It's easy to catch mistakes of others, but not always easy to catch your own, so be careful of assumptions.
Also, in the first comment, maybe the "2nd team" lost BECAUSE the coach never utilized them, they were not used to playing together under pressure, and hit the court "disinterested" because of the clear disregard for them that the coach had shown all season! The bravado sounds to me like it is on the write of the comment's side, not the 2nd team! And yes, patient's cases should NEVER be dsicussed within earshot of the patients!
WAKE UP people, our top priority is our patients, not protecting ones' turf. We are a team of health care workers, all supposedly working TOGETHER for the benefit of the patient. I would take experience and eagerness to learn over a title or degree any day, as length of training does not guarantee competency.
# 2011-04-10 13:58
Another thought provoker.
As a PA, I had a similar case on New Year's eve... a new diagnosis of acute monocytic leumkemia. I briefed my back up physician (who is not on site) after I had an oncology acceptance and the transport team was called.
This underscores the reality that PA's are seeing these patients, frequently in ER's that have telephone back up, sometimes to on call family practice docs who may have less emergency medicine experience than the PA.
It reinforces the commitment of the American College of Emergency Physicians and the Society of Emergency PA's to continue developing standards and resources to support PA's who are doing front line emergency medicine, especially in the rural and underserved communicties where residency trained EM Docs are in short supply.
This is a dynamic tension that requires our ongoing close and collaborative work to assure that Americans receive the best emergency care wherever they access the system.
Thanks for highlighting an important issue.
# 2011-04-13 19:36
I hope every ED physician gets to read not only this article(Dr Henry's as well)but more importantly, the comments as well. There are countless of similar examples and increasing litigations. The camel is in the tent and it now feels it owns it. I have a new title for so called mid-levels: "gomers" I see no need for any of them in an ED. Why are we (physicians) so accepting and allowing to dumb down our profession.
Possibly this was not intended for "midlevels" to see, given the journal is billed for Emergency Physicians, but it is indeed insulting to them. I usually enjoy Plasters articles but I now see him in a new light - an arrogant, cocky, intimidating man. If you take this attitude with the rest of the ED staff at your new site, then you will not last long. The ED doctor may be the chief on the ED team, but all the Indians can take him down very fast. One team, not first team. The PA did nothing wrong and you certainly did not save the day. Learn to play well with the team, Plaster.
# More — 2011-04-16 19:52
Dr. Plaster: Could you please clarify the lesson to be learned from this story?
# SEMPA Response to "First Team" — 2011-04-17 12:50
"We are writing in response to your most recent column "First Team". There needs to be clarification regarding certain points in the article, particularly the vital role Emergency Medicine PAs fill within the health care system and the continued focus on building the MD-PA team.
Physician Assistants are trained in the medical model, similar to the training provided in medical school, but in an abbreviated, intense manner to allow for a shorter education time. Although we generally do not complete a specialty residency, we gain extensive clinical experience within our training programs and further build our knowledge base within our work sites. We are specifically trained to practice medicine under the supervision of a licensed physician and are very comfortable working in this environment. This collegial role is well ingrained through the education process and it serves as the basis for a successful MD-PA team.
In a recent survey commenced by the American College of Emergency Physicians and the Society of Emergency Medicine Physician Assistants, 2/3 of all PAs work in the main ED setting, seeing patients across the spectrum of acuity. Additionally, in many rural and under-served areas, PAs work alone, with off-site physician supervision. With a shortage of residency trained Emergency Physicians available to provide these services, extension of health care resources using Physician Assistants is a fact of life. We believe it is beneficial for Emergency Physicians and Emergency Medicine PAs to embrace this reality together. Population dynamics and economic realities are dictating our continued collaboration to insure quality and accessible health care. It is our hope that those working in Emergency Medicine continue to expand upon this powerful team which benefits those who need it most: the patient.
# 2011-04-21 12:29
Ouch!!! An "arrogant, cocky, intimidating man?" Check with my wife for some more nasty things to call me. Please, back away from the tar and feathers. I was not trying to insult anybody. If I did, I'm truly sorry. But the theme of this piece was communication and cooperation. There was no error. But there may not have been an appreciation of the potential severity of this case. This was simply an issue of judgement that might have been beyond the PA's experience. My point was not to accuse the PA, but to say that when PAs handle super sick people, the EPs that they are "assisting" (remember what the A in PA is for) should be in the loop from the get go, not as an "Oh sign this chart please", after the fact event. If that kind of supervision hurts someone's feelings, which in this case it did not, then that person needs to examine their motives. I'm not the one having trouble being a team player here.
As a PA for over 30 years, and as an early participant in the LAC/USC PA ED residency, I must be redundant. Dr. Plaster admitted that the patient did not present as "super sick"; the PA was diligent enough to do a CBC (in the face of a positive rapid strep that would account for symptoms) because of the prior leukemia diagnosis. The PA would not have dismissed a critical value in any event and the patient would have been diverted appropriately even if Dr. Plaster had never been there. But if he had, the PA would have been right on his case immediately after getting the critical result. And the family would have bonded with the PA just fine. You really looked at this through the retrospectrosco pe of the lab value.
I've read your column for years but I am annoyed enough about this to never read it again.
# ACNP in ER — 2012-04-06 09:47
I came into the ER, busy as usual and I knew that I, the lowly NP, would be seeing most of the patients as we had a locums doc tonight. Better yet, a locums who had never been there before. Great.
"Oh well", I muttered as I dug into the charts picking up by severity, not by time of arrival. Chest pain, chest pain, abdominal pain, etc, etc. The locums was still trying to log-in the EMR.
After seeing my first group of patients I came back to staff them with the new doc. Still trying to log-in. I called IS, got his log-in (which someone else should have done long before his first shift, oh well).
I staffed my patients and got a cursory wave with a "Just do what you usually do".
The shift slugged on. I kept seeing sick patients. Kept trying to staff. Kept getting the wave off. He saw a few patients, mainly fast track.
Finally the locums shift was over and a regular attending came in. He thanked me for helping the new guy (or FNG as I was calling him by now) get started. He then thanked the locums for keeping the ER flowing and allowing him to start the shift with a clean board. Whhhhaaaaatttttttttt?????
Oh well, no time for self congratulations , I have seen that burn people before.
It was high school. My friends were in the state championship for swimming relay. They were ranked #1 but were up against tough competition. It was a struggle but the last member of the relay touched the wall first. THEY WON!!!!! And then, every other member of the relay team jumped in the water to congratulate themselves. OOOPS. Automatic disqualificatio n. They lost.
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