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Thread: shower stall finish; non-tile
10-31-2000, 09:50 PM #1Dick Guest
shower stall finish; non-tile
I am building a new house with a 4-1/2' x 5'
walk-in shower.
I want to use a finish on 3 of the 4 walls that looks like troweled concrete but it needs to be, obviously, water proof. The floor of the shower will be a concrete slab and I'd like to continue that look upwards on the walls.
I have seen several examples in decorating magazines, but they always seem to fail to disclose the finishing material used. It's a great look.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
11-06-2000, 07:02 PM #2Myron Ferguson Guest
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Maybe contact Michael Bryne (ceramic tile forum) with this question because I really don't have an answer.
12-01-2000, 10:11 PM #3Paul Ingram Guest
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We've done several of these. You need a custom plastering contractor. You should install the pan and lath the walls just like a tile setter. King Stucco out of San Jose has a good shower finish product. It can be colored. A cement plaster finish is indeed waterproof, contrary to some claims.
07-12-2001, 01:01 PM #4B Barney Guest
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I've been in the tile and stone business for 30 years and have only seen a couple of showers done this way. Paul, (above) is is right about setting up your shower just as if you were going to install a quality mud (mortar-floated) shower stall. The finished surface would also be the critical part of a project like this, as water can penetrate through most cement based products without degrading. Also, if the finished surface is rough at all it will be a maintainance nightmare when it comes to mildew and soap scum.
Waterproofing under the mortar-float is very critical for long term use. I would suggest the "Dens-Sheild" made by Georgia Pacific, as it has a layer of fiberglass on the surface in place of greenboard, green board is moisture resistant (to humidity) but not waterproof. Make sure to seal all joints and corners with a good polyurathane caulk such as the one made by Noble Seal Co. I would run the caulking out and lay some nylon or fiberglass web tape into it and then Knife it smooth and seal all of the screw heads as well. If your sheetrock is already installed you could add a layer of some type of waterproof membrane such as the ones made by Mer-kote or Laticrete to the surface of your sheetrock substrate. If cost is an issue compare the labor against the cost of replacing the green rock with dens-shield. Then go ahead with your typical vapor barrier, wire (2.50 or 2.75 ga. galvinized metal lath for this application would give more strength) and apply your 1/2" minimum mortar float.
One job I worked on, the owner was a plastering contractor. His solution to water proofing the mortar coat finish at the shower was HOT Bee's Wax. He found some Bee's Wax and melted it down to a temperature that he could rub into the mortar float and another coating a day or two later. I have not been back to see how it worked long term so I'm not sure about the everyday maintainance. You may want to experiment with this one first, but it makes sense to me, because bee's wax is flexible, waterproof and of course a natural product. This plastering contractor said that he had used the Bee's Wax finish many times, the yellow color may be an issue unless you can locate a refined bee's wax source.
As I stated before the waterproofing is the critical part of any shower or tub stall and cement products can crack with building movement. So underneath of the finished product the waterproof application needs to be somewhat flexible in-case of potential building movement down the road. The Tile and Waterproof industries have introduced new age products and membranes of all types, that can help in some of the difficult areas of architectural design in todays construction market.
To save your self money... and time later, take time now to educate yourself, research products and don't forget to contact your local building department. Because they sometimes will want to see product data sheets on new and better products. Some of the new products are expensive and you don't want to have to tear it out be cause it is not approved by your building inspector. I know this comment is coming in late but maybe it will be of help to others.
Good luck!
07-12-2001, 04:57 PM #5John McElwee Guest
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It is probalbly too late to help Dick but
B Barney's advice about waterproofing is right on. I have finished several showers with smooth Portland cement finishes. I like them bright white so I use pool plaster for the finish. The oldest one is about 20 years old. It still looks good.
07-12-2001, 08:37 PM #6Paul Ingram Guest
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I will stand by my statement that a properly mixed and properly cured Portland cement finish, in three coats, is waterproof, with the exception of cracks or other penetrations through the plaster membrane. Even still, whether the finish is cement or tile,install your membrane as if you expect the finish to leak. That way you can never go wrong. Glaze n Seal Natural look is a good sealer that will help keep the porous surface from molding. I should have qualified my statement about lathing the same as a tile setter. The 20 guage wire lath over grade B paper and stapled to the green board with household staples would be too light for cement plaster. I wish I could have afforded a tile setter for my showers, but the colored cement plaster finish works very well and elicits some very positive remarks.
07-13-2001, 01:59 AM #7B Barney Guest
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Hi again Gents... Great comments about the tile free shower. You folks have far more knowledge about finish coats on top of brown coats than I ever will for sure. Thats why I keep setting the tile or stone over my wall mud. I do know enough though, that for one to stay out of trouble, it's best to recommed an expert and then ask all the right questions. I'm sure thats what Dick was thinking as well.
I have used colored stucco mix over 2.75 ga lath on fireplace and feature walls before for a few of my clients then just left them to dry and recommended "stonetech" products to seal the work after a couple of weeks. I did a 9 ft long - ceiling high fireplace & wall at my home and it turned out great and not a crack in it for 4 years now. I think the heavy gauge wire is the secret. I never have used top coats though. I just dash a little water on the float and shine it up with a trowel and they look good when dry. I know interior is a lot different than exterior because outside you have to put it on much heavier. You guys know you products much better than I so I'm going to leave plastering to you experts.
2 more cents if I could, or is it a buck and a half these days?... My three brothers and myself are all tile setters and learned it as mud set tile from our father. It's hard to force ourselves to do it any other way when we know it lasts for 20-80 years or until they don't like the color of the tile any more. What you guys are still doing every day is becoming a lost art in our end of the trade. Keep up the good work!! Barney
07-13-2001, 08:52 AM #8Paul Ingram Guest
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We're always looking for a better way to seal these showers. Any more information on Stonetech products? Thanks
07-13-2001, 11:24 AM #9B Barney Guest
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STONETECH??? They have good products for the tile and stone industry and the sealers seem to help out with our dirty grout problems and they are user freindly. For the Plaster trades you would want to experiment on a mock-up board with diferent products.
One problem I see with my clients is that they are not educated in maintaining their tile or stone installation. I try to pay special attention to educateing them. We charge them for putting down a excellent sealer and then they use harsh ammonia or acidic based cleaners, guess what! The sealer is gone or short lived. Stone tech has a couple of cleaning products to minimize this problem for every day use, everyday use clean and reseal in one bottle -"Revitalizer". For heavier cleaning making sure to use warm water and 4 oz per gal. "Klenzal". Used properly these products will not remove the sealers. Klenzal is PH stable and helps to neutralize the surface such as in the case of lemon juice or wine on the counter or floor. Wine or fruit acids will etch stone in 7 hours or less. Clean up ASAP.
The biggest reason I like "Stonetech" is because they have a good line of compatible products to seal, maintain and clean. I think one of the worst things a person can do is mix products or brands. Once you start with a sealing product, stay with the same brand and make sure to educate your client about care and maintainance of the finished installation. When it comes to sealing products there are so many brands out there that it gets real confusing. If you like "Glaze and Seal" and it has met your needs, I would stay stay with it. I am used to the stonetech products and haven't found anything better for an all around product for our trade. "Miracle Sealant Co." I feel is also a good product, but I use Stonetech because it is easier to use and for interior applications it dosen't have the strong odors that are left hanging around the clients home for a few days. Most of my work is high end remodel and my clients are living in the home. Also stonetech is FDA approved for kitchen counters and food processing areas. Stonetech's "Impregnator Pro" at $95.00 per gal. is the sealer I use most, It is solvent based and drops into the surface as much as the surface will allow. Then the solvents evaporate off leaving the sealer behind. Two coats are best) They claim that while drying, it expands to close up the pores of the stone, grout, or unsealed pourus tiles. I feel that the first coating is the most important. Saturate the surface liberally by using a low pressure garden sprayer for (big jobs) and move it around with a lambs wool pad for a few minutes then mop up the excess because you don't want it to pool on floors, walls are much easier.For real pourus surfaces they recommend using their water base product first and second coat with Impregnator Pro.(Water base first - Solvent base second, its the only way it will work). Stone tech recently came out with another product called "Bullit Proof" At $195.00 per gal. It is used a coating over the "Impregnator Pro" for use in food service areas or on very pourous stone such as limesotne or travertine, (Plaster?..give it a try). I keep a jug of it around and second coat all of my shower floors and often areas around the kithen or wet bar were staining or etching could be a potential problem.
Go To: "stonetechpro" web site for more info.
The Bullit Proof might be a good product for Dick's non-tile shower... It is a brand new product so you may have to call "Stonetech" direct to find out where you can get it or they may be able to ship it to you. They have good tech support if you want to call them about your particular needs. Stone tech is based in Castro Valley CA. Hopes this helps. The best of life to you... Barney :-} Our site: www.barneys-tile.bigstep.com/
07-13-2001, 07:41 PM #10Paul Ingram Guest
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Thanks, Barney. This is great information that might solve alot of problems for us. We're down in Carmel and have some very demanding decorators who are always wanting us to push the envelope. I'll hang on to your website for future use.

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I'm thinking about knitting a dog sweater for a charity auction here in Tulsa. Its for the Pet Assistance Welfare Society and my LYS is donating a gift certificate with it if I do. Do you guys know of a good resource for patterns? I thought I would even check online..but don't know where to look! Just thought I would put it out there!
I want to crank out a simple V-day hat for my sweetie but I have never knit in the round before. I'm still new to knitting but I enjoy it and would like to learn how to work in the round.
Am I setting myself up for disappointment by trying to learn and have something done in 2.5 weeks? Or should I give it a go? DPNs or circulars and the magic loop method?
I just got back from a group class at my LYS where I learned that I'm wrapping my purl stitch the wrong direction! I also found out that I'm supposed to hold both needles with thumb and forefinger. That's making my continental purl seem all new and foreign to me. Anybody have any suggestions that might help me be a better purler?
Now that I'm using the long tail CO, things are going much better. I've bought 2 different colored skeins for the same brand/weight yarn and was knitting a swatch to check my gauge. When I opened my book, it described how to count stitches/rows in stockinette, but not in garter...which I've been doing. Does it matter which pattern I use for a gauge check? My end product (with the yarn) is a garter-stitch scarf for my wife. Even though gauge for a scarf isn't needed, I figured I'd give it a whirl. Any ideas how to count rows/stitches in garter?
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My mum is making a blanket with patches. She is doing 19 stitches across each time. Would it be easier to do a different number and how can I make it equal when I am doing it. I've just started myself and her patches are not exactly same size by width and length but I would like mine to be more square type when I am doing them. :) Thanks...
I'm very new to knitting and am still having my fair share of issues. I have a hard time casting on and then knitting the first row. Mainly, I think it's a function of the "death grip" that people have talked about in other forums. But, I'm also wondering if there's better ways to cast on or different ones for different situations. I'm especially having trouble getting the right needle into those first cast on stitches.
The casting-on that I've used involved tying a slip-knot onto the left needle, then inserting the right needle through it (like knitting), wrapping the yarn around the right needle (like knitting), and then pulling the loop through and slipping back onto the left needle. My issue with that is knowing which way the loop should go onto the left.
Another cast-on involved the same slip-knot, but then kind of looping the yarn stitch-by-stitch with the left hand while loading it onto the needle. This is the CO I have the greatest problem with... I may be making the stitches too tight again...
Any thoughts?
I keep hearing about people tackling sweaters by knitting them on circular needles. I was wondering if anyone has come across any websites that offer guidance on how the technique works? Any sites with pictures to accompany the written technique would be great as this is a knitter that needs a LOT of help before it eventually sinks in!!!!
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I recently had the pleasure of joining this group of EXTREMELY talented fiber artists. I learned about the group from our very own Parrot (Doug) who is also the only other male knitter I have ever met. Since he is the only other male in the group, he is affectionatly known as the guild pimp!
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Just because everyone's all up K-Fed's butt complimenting him for being a good parent doesn't mean we want to him to create more of his special brand of hip-hop. Does anyone really even think that highly of him? The only reason he looks so good these days is because he's being compared to Britney Spears, and that's like comparing a car accident to a nuclear disaster. And while Federline is wise enough to not create another album himself, he's apparently hard at work producing what are surely Popozao rip-offs. An insider says, "Kevin has been actively producing, nurturing new artists and doing it all from his home studio, so he can be there for his kids whenever they need him. He loves the music business and is committed to making it a career for himself, even if it's not as a singer. He knows no one will ever take him seriously as a performer, so he's working behind the scenes as a producer."
Okay okay, that's kinda sweet, but isn't music made by K-Fed just as bad as music performed by K-Fed? He should stick to what he's good at – making babies – instead.? [E Online]


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The 2014 Campaign Kickoff was held Saturday, Aug. 23, with the fifth annual Run, Bike, Unite Duathlon - sponsored by the Sentry Insurance Foundation.
This year's campaign goal is $2.7 million. Led by John and Dori Jury, this year's campaign will continue through Dec.
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but u will see a new sig floating on the boards by a Dumbo34 soon compliments of me and not my bratty photoshop ..it gets no credit for being a brat lol
but u will see a new sig floating on the boards by a Dumbo34 soon compliments of me and not my bratty photoshop ..it gets no credit for being a brat lol
Home from work. Did not know that the lights turn off at midnight in the store. And I mean all of them. Trying to find the break room in pitch black was terrifying; I was having many a horror movie flashback.
We had a hamster once. The problem was my husband also had purchased a lot of other creepy pets from the pet store. When I could no longer handle the lizards, and the horn toad crawling all over the floor and furniture (because my husband never wanted to put anything in a cage) I made him bring them all back to the pet store. He took the hamster as well, which wasn't the problem. Her name was Susie, and she had this really loud whistle.
Today is vacuuming day for me. My husband said he was coming home early, go I better get to it soon. I also need to get to the bank and get some money. Christmas always ends up costing me way more than I budget for.
Happy Friday. My husband will be happy because he will be on vacation until after New Years.
Disneyland Here I Come Again!
October 1, to October 6, 2015
Yup... another busy morning.... and much to do the rest of the day..... catch you when I can!
Morning all!
So the Mayans were wrong...big shock there!
Good morning
I know, was a bit disappointing I didnt have to go through zombies, meteors, burning streets and earthquakes to get to work today
But at least the forum should be nicer today with that thread gone.
There is no right or wrong in this debate. It is simply a matter of perspective.
-Dr. Strange
So interesting take on the whole "school shooting' phenomenon we have lately, from a video game blogger no less.
Has a lot of good points in it.
So I thought I'd share with you guys
Tragedy and Video Game Violence - YouTube
There is no right or wrong in this debate. It is simply a matter of perspective.
-Dr. Strange
Hey Clara!
Glad you got a new hamster!
Also glad this is my last day to work until January 2nd! Woot!
And Disney was insane last night, but we still had fun!
There was something I read earlier that I was going to comment on, but it slips my mind at present...I suppose it must not have been too important
I guess I order pizza tonight :P
I also noticed when we were looking at the descriptions of the animals above their cages the life span for all the hamsters were 2 years. So yeah, poor Loki was due to go bye-bye. I just could have sworn they lived a bit longer but maybe that's because we had the revolving door of hamsters when I was young. We always had at least two at a time.
THere was Bambi, Feline, Hades, Feline's babies times 10......I know there were more. Just don't remember names.
hehe, I'm here...just...short of whining about how my life is about to implode all around me I don't have much to talk about...
Its a pretty slow day all around.
I was just looking at some guys Flickr stream...he does some pretty good work....until I realized that most of it is photoshopped.
I do not have tolerance for PS on photography. Unless it's for a theme or something, like to create something for a scrap book or something like that. But taking a subject and them putting another item behind him to create wings does not mean that is photography.
But that is JUST my opinion as I'm an wasting away wtihout my Canon. I want a camera so bad sometimes I want to cry. I miss taking photography.


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STYLEMAKERS LOOK II I am so happy to share with you peeps the second look James and I shot for the CHOO 24:7 Stylemakers project. We've done these images while in Montreux for the week-end at James's family house (our favourite spot to relax as the climate is absolutely extraordinary, nothing to do with the usual swiss weather). It felt incredible to go out like this, but sadly this paradise didn't last long as 2 hours later it started to rain.
Anyway, right now it's almost midnight over here as I am writing this article (which will be posted this morning hehe, love technology) and we'll be leaving in a couple of hours to Paris. We are currently working on a lot of new projects and developping new content. I can't wait to share everything with you once it's finalized. Meanwhile, I just wanted to let you all know that, James and I absolutely love reading your comments, they're so positive and many of them bring up great constructive opinions. It's really interesting and as we are always looking for improvement, knowing your critics is key. Of course, I do moderate the comments on Kayture as we don't need strange spam or vulgar/obsene messages over here, right?


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Photograph - Daniel Harvey, Horse Drawn Wagon, circa 1920 Reg. No: MM 92740
- Summary:
- Photograph of a horse drawn wagon made by Daniel Harvey for "W. Heitsch, Main Road, Warrandyte". Image is part of a collection of, photographs, documents and trade literature relating to Daniel Harvey Pty. Ltd. agricultural implement manufacturer, Box Hill, Victoria.
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- A four-wheeled horsedrawn carriage with hood in front of the workshop of the manufacturer, Daniel Harvey. The coach was made for "W. Heitsch, Main Road, Warrandyte" (inscribed on side of wagon.
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AHT Giveaway: Case of Pat LaFrieda Burgers
Lawn chairs + bonfire + grill + keg of weizen + dub on the stereo = best burger party.
Lawn chairs + bonfire + grill + keg of weizen + dub on the stereo = best burger party.
Minetta black label!
Catfish at Matt's is just wrong! The halibut and bacon-onion dip are where it's at. Surprisingly reasonable, too.
Family get-together.
I live in Indianapolis---therefore, I'll be holed up in my house, staying out of downtown and any area where I'd have to have contact with awful bands and/or expense account bros.
No want ever.
Curried chickpea rice w/ coconut milk, bell peppers, and peas.
Pumpernickel. and a crusty sourdough.
On eggs...any which way.
Roasted w/ fresh fig, goat cheese, & honey.
Oyster stout...wild. Will have to keep a lookout for this next time I'm out West.
thanks for the cover shot! long-time reader...first-time submitter. lately i've been on a barbecue pizza kick, but that white sauce/potato/bacon combo really was the jam.
gonna try and experiment with a fermented dough this week...hopefully good results follow.
decadent french toast
with a baguette & cheese!
with a baguette & cheese!
cosmo's does look super. wish i had seen that before i went!
ended up being on campus much more than i thought, but did get to bell's two nights in a row. i generally really like most of their beers, so that was swell. especially the sour brown they had on tap...nice to see people on this side of the pond making sours. food was also better (and cheaper) than i was led to believe....so it was a win-win.
hopefully i'll have more time for fooding next time i'm up that way.
we ended up at clever crow, due to it being walkable from the wexner. excellent recommendation....pizza was some of the best i've ever had. especially the house-made sausage w/ caramelized onions. and the crust! about as outstanding as the Hallogallo/NEU! show itself....which was supreme.
Thanks for the recommendations. I'd heard of Jeni's, looks like we'll go there for sure. May have to hit El Arepazo...sounds awesome.
If you're passing through Indianapolis tonight or tomorrow...some of the best food on the East-side is not too far off the beaten path.
Papa Roux - http://www.paparouxindy.com/
(make sure you get a po'boy. and bread pudding.)
Oh, Kokomo. Grew up there. Nostalgia forces me to recommend Louie's Coney Island, which is now a stone's throw off of US-31 - http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/172/985992/restaurant/Indiana/Louies-Coney-Island-Kokomo
Diner establishment. If you go, get the specialty, the "bake" (short for "Baked Hamburger"). It's hamburger, formed into links, and stewed in a special sauce. Get it with mustard and onion.
pub burgers ... with smash-style coming in a close 2nd.
Upland Brewing in Bloomington, IN.
Smash-style: Steer-In in Indianapolis, IN.
7 for 7. but i agree with the lack of pork tenderloin, beef/turkey manhattan, and/or Famous Stew questions. and what about pawpaws, aka the "indiana banana".
for a good resource to non-chain eating in Indy, check out indyethnicfood.com,
a constantly updated database of ethnic food in the indy-area.
as for the survey about chain restaurant comment; i think that's more reflective of indiana as a whole. not that i'm defending indianapolis too much....it's just better than any superficial survey would indicate.
travelling to tampa bay to visit my parents next week. will probably have a couple days to kick around the area & am looking for food recommendations.
we're really into ethnic foods (indian/african/thai...) but would be interested in fresh seafood (not crazy expensive :), as well as beer bars/breweries/etc. or just anything that's "can't miss!"
thanks for any recommendations!
heading up to kalamazoo, michigan tomorrow for a photo conference. definitely plan on hitting bell's both nights i'm there...anyone have any must-eat places? i'm leaning more towards the affordable ones. :)
heading to columbus on tuesday to catch one of four U.S. NEU! shows, on campus at the wexner arts center.
i've only been to columbus before to play rock-and-roll in shitty dive bars....but this time, we'll have a few hours to get some food pre-show. we're partial to ethnic food....but also love a good brew. close/walking-distance to campus would be ideal. got any recommendations?
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Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 1:30 p.m. EDT
Quigley: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I have two announcements this afternoon.
Service members from U.S. Air Forces in Europe, U.S. Army Europe and U.S. Special Operations Command will participate in Exercise Medflag 01-2, starting today till August 3rd. This year's Medflag is led by the headquarters of U.S. Air Forces in Europe and will be held in Nampula and Maputo, Mozambique. Medflag is a multi-service, multi-country medical training and civic assistance exercise conducted annually by the U.S. European Command. [ Web page ]
And second, we have with us today 15 students and two instructors from the Army Public Affairs Advanced Non-Commissioned Officer course at Ft. Meade, Maryland, where they are continuing to develop their skills in the public affairs arena. Welcome to all of you.
With that I'll take your questions. Charlie.
Q: Craig, are the public computers sites for the Defense Department back up again?
Quigley: No, they are not. This is all in response to the worm that I think first came to public light last Friday, I believe. We have taken what we think are prudent precautionary measures to take down the publicly accessible web sites, of which there are many hundreds, probably thousands, within DOD around the world. The worm works in two ways. It does harm to both the servers that it affects directly, and then it sends out threads, I think was the word that our computer experts gave me this morning, to infect up to possibly a hundred other sites. So you do damage not to only the server that was directly attacked, but you could, you know, inadvertently, unwittingly be the source of an attack on 100 further servers. So we thought that the prudent thing to do was to take the publicly accessible sites for the most part off line, and we have a patch in hand. The folks at the Joint Task Force for Computer Network Operations are monitoring the installation of the patch. Also, monitoring network activity. And when they feel that we are properly defended by the installation of the patches throughout our networks around the world as well as the level of activity on the web is such that it's the prudent thing to do to bring those publicly accessible sites back up, we will do that. We're not there yet, however.
[ Update: Public access to DoD web sites has now resumed. The few sites affected by the worm have been repaired. The Code Red worm appears to have gone dormant. The Department will continue to maintain vigilance in the protection of its networks from all unauthorized intrusions, including any potential recurrence of the Code Red worm. ]
Q: Are any sites -- do you have any idea how many sites they've taken down? And are --
Quigley: Of those -- I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Q: And are any sites back up?
Quigley: The answer to the first part of the question was "a few." I don't have an exact number for you, but we were able to catch it in the very early going. And we have no operational impact; I should say, in that context, of tactical military operations around the world; we have no detectable impact there. Certainly none of our classified systems were affected. But it is not -- it is inconvenient. There are still many functions that are performed -- business functions, information sharing, a variety of exercise sites and what-have-you around the world -- that are not classified that are usable by both military members and publicly accessible sites.
But we have kind of tried to do prudent access, and let me give you one example that we're all familiar with, and that's DefenseLink. You have on DefenseLink two ways of getting in. If you have a dot-mil suffix on your computer, if you're here in the Pentagon, let's say if it's me and I'm going to access DefenseLink from my government-owned computer with a dot-mil suffix, I can do that. But if it's a dot-com suffix or a dot-edu or any other suffix from around the world, it is a separate pipe that brings you into DefenseLink, and that pipe has been stopped for now.
Q: A couple of questions on this. Did the infocon level go up?
Quigley: We did. We raised it last Friday.
Q: To what?
Quigley: Alpha. Alpha.
Q: Infocon alpha, from infocon normal?
Quigley: Right. We just drove it up one step.
Q: The patch for this thing was available more than a month ago. When did DoD start putting it in?
Quigley: Well, starting was a month ago, but we're not -- it is not clear as to what networks applied it when. It is one of those things that there's a lot of patches. If you have a PC in your home, you can update the patches for a variety of viruses probably every day. How quickly network administrators around the world applied that patch, it is not clear to us. But since we did not have the 100 percent certain knowledge that they were all affected -- or all installed, I should say -- we took the prudent course of taking them off line.
Q: A couple of years ago with the attacks known as "solar sunrise," one of the things that came out of that was that DISA had warned everybody about the particular vulnerability of the computer system in December, and that attack was launched in February. And that created lots of gnashing of teeth, and people saying we need to be faster, and they all took the changes of putting low-level systems administrators directly reportable to commanders, so that these patches would go in more quickly. Do you see any benefit from that? And could that happen here? Because it seems like maybe it didn't --
Quigley: I don't think I can quantify that for you very well. The -- you issue a combination of patches and warnings, as well as constant monitoring on the part of the Joint Task Force for Computer Network Operations. When you see an unusual level of activity, when you hear about a particular virus or worm or what have you that is affecting systems, you try to react as quickly as you can. You try to put the word out about a patch, and yet it's entirely conceivable that that problem, that virus, that worm may not affect your network. So you watch. You have the ability -- knowing that you have the ability to take your network off line very quickly and then take the corrective measures you need to and then bring it back up. So I guess it's a combination of the two would be the clearest answer I could give.
Q: And do you remain at threatcon -- infocon alpha?
Quigley: We are.
Q: Sir, that network operations control center that DISA runs here in Arlington -- was that the beginning point of your awareness of the threat, and then they instituted this fix and are sort of overseeing the procedures?
Quigley: Correct. That's correct. They're the ones that monitor 24 hours a day networks and then put out warnings, issue advisories, and whatnot.
Now they are physically here, as you indicate, in D.C. But they report to the U.S. Space Command out in Colorado Springs.
Q: Now is -- if I -- I've lost the ball a little bit on the history here, but since that was established back in -- I think it was 2000 or 2001 --
Quigley: Two thousand, I believe, but I would have to check that. [ Correction: 1998 ]
Q: (Off mike.) That -- is this the first major issue that they've had to confront of this nature since they've been --
Quigley: Let me take that. And I don't think so, but let me check on that, and we'll get back to you. [ Update: No, since 1998, the Department, like other major computer users, has been faced with such activities as the Melissa virus, the I Love You bug, and other challenges to computer system usage. ]
Q: Has the entry point for this worm into DoD systems been traced? And has anybody determined whether it was simply passed along inadvertently by some innocent person whose computer also was infected and thereby passed it along, or was it done by someone with malicious intent?
Quigley: I do not think we have the knowledge of the sources of the few that were infected. I do not think we know that yet.
Q: Different subject?
Q: Same subject?
Quigley: Same subject?
Q: Are people on military computers able to access the outside world?
Quigley: Yes. Yes. We can go out from a government-owned military computer system -- you can go out to the Web for instance. But you just can't come in unless you have a dot-mil suffix on your thing.
Q: And what is this infocon? I guess I missed that.
Quigley: It's information condition, is what it stands for. And it is a -- yes, or a force protection condition or something like that. And it is descriptive of what the Joint Task Force for Computer Network Operations feels is the level of threat and hack attacks to DOD networks. And it's increasing your normal operations. It's infocon normal, and then you go up to A, B, C and the like as the threat increases.
Q: Being delta?
Quigley: You're currently under an absolutely massive hack attack, from a variety of means, from a variety of sources. You're talking a very concerted, focused attack effort to get into DOD systems.
Q: What's your projection as to how long all this could last?
Quigley: I asked that very question a little while ago and I couldn't get a good answer. It's going to be subject to what we see and what we hear. And by that I mean you're monitoring the network activity, you're monitoring the scanning and the level of attacks and probes that you see coming into DoD networks, or trying to come into DoD networks. And you're also monitoring the implementation of the patch. So when you have a combination of those two events, where the folks over at the joint task force feel that we can prudently put our systems back on line to public access, we'll go there. We're just not there yet.
Q: Well it seems like this is going on even longer than Love Bug went on, if my memory serves correctly. I mean, relatively speaking, is this the most pervasive, significant, long-standing attack you've been under?
Quigley: I don't know that. Let me try to get a good answer for you on that one, too. I think the real problem here is not only the damage to the system that gets affected, but its propagation characteristics to multiply it so quickly. You could inadvertently do damage to other servers, and that's a real problem. [ Each of these situations, the Code Red worm, the I Love You virus, etc. has its own unique features. So, we are unable to make such comparisons. ]
Q: And just one last question. Have you noticed -- have they noticed today any other attempted intrusions, or has it stopped and now you're just in the patch mode?
Quigley: Yes. Well, you've taken the lines -- you've taken the systems off line from the public access, so our vulnerability to the attacks has ceased and it will not -- and again, we're going to have that combination of monitoring network activity plus the implementation of the patches. And when we feel that it's prudent to bring them back up, we will.
There are -- like I said, it is not convenient. Some of our business systems are e-business based or largely e-business based, so we need to accomplish work-arounds, and fax machines and telephones and things of that sort are -- there are work-arounds that you need to put in place while this is going on.
Q: It's limited to dot-mil? Not everybody in DOD has a dot-mil extender. There's a dot-gov, too. Are those people able to get into the system?
Quigley: Only dot-mil.
Q: Only dot-mil?
Quigley: Mm-hm. (Affirmative response.)
Q: Are folks getting e-mail?
Quigley: Again, you can receive e-mail, I believe, if it goes through -- or coming from a dot-mil. DefenseLink is still receiving e-mails from citizens because they're coming in that dual pipe. Not all of our public access sites have that dual pipe, however.
Q: President Bush addressed today U.S. troops in Kosovo, told then, inter alia, that you are not going to stay here forever, and as we came in with the European allies, we will depart with them too. May we have your comment and your assessment how this presidential decision is going to affect your military presence in the Balkans?
Quigley: I think I would just take the president's words at face value is the best explanation I think I can give you. You've heard the president say that, you've heard Secretary Powell say it, Secretary Rumsfeld. This was very much something that we went into with our friends and allies in that region, and we're going to stay until the job is done. Now, how long is that? Nobody knows the answer to that question. But that is the president's commitment that he has made.
Q: One follow-up. Anything on the continued heavy fighting today in FYROM around Tetovo area with Albanian extremists, and if you are planning to take any military measures, since your government fully supports the territorial integrity of FYROM?
Quigley: I am not familiar with that incident. I would have to get the details. I don't think the tactical activity there is going to change the United States' position in being a part of the NATO process that has agreed to send forces into FYROM once the political conditions and preconditions have been met. So I don't think the particulars of what may have happened on the ground today will have an effect on that policy. But the details of what went on there today, I'm sorry, I do not have those.
Q: Thank you.
Quigley: Jamie?
Q: Craig, what, if anything, can you tell us about the large bright object that was observed across the Eastern United States yesterday evening? Is that something that was tracked by the U.S. Space Command?
Quigley: You mean the meteorite shower?
Q: Yes. Well, I don't think it was a shower. It was an object that was bright in the sky and seemed like maybe --
Quigley: Well, at least one was particularly bright, yeah.
Q: Do you know anything about it?
Quigley: Well, the U.S. Space Command does not have the ability to track objects that originate from space. I mean, we track -- all of our systems are designed to track orbiting objects from the moment they are placed into orbit until they are predicted to decay.
So those that have a regular path around the world, those we track very carefully. But our focus is not for meteors that would come -- originate from deep space and head towards the earth.
Q: But isn't there an office that also -- and I'm not saying that this was a large object, but isn't there also a process for monitoring large objects such as asteroids or something that might potentially be on a collision course with Earth --
Quigley: Not under the aegis of DoD that I know of, no. The folks within DoD that take a look at what's in space is the U.S. Space Command, and their focus is orbital objects.
Q: So you don't have an asteroid tracking program as well --
Quigley: I don't -- I don't think so. I mean, I can check that, but I would think that would come more under the aegis of NASA rather than DoD. [In the DoD press briefing of March 12, 1998, former Assistant Secretary of Defense Kenneth Bacon answered a similar question by saying, "NASA is the chief of asteroid police in the galaxy of our government, and they have the responsibility for looking out for asteroids. ... We will cooperate with them in any way that we can help them, but it's mainly their job." That continues to be the situation today.]
Q: Nevertheless, you don't have any -- there was no tracking of this object or any explanation or release from the Pentagon --
Quigley: No. No.
Q: On the -- could you tell us what the Pentagon stand is on the Biological Weapons Convention protocols that are being discussed right now over in Geneva?
Quigley: We provided our views to the State Department, which is the lead element of the federal government, and I would leave it there. They are the ones that solicit the input from the various elements of the federal government. We were certainly one of those. We made our views known in that interagency process. But I would defer to State to take the lead.
Q: You won't characterize what the Pentagon views are on this?
Quigley: No, I will not.
Q: Can you maybe then just elucidate, say, the side that would be against these protocols and what the thinking would be behind that, why -- it's an odd smattering of countries that are against the protocol: the United States, China, Cuba, Libya -- (laughs) -- not exactly the standard gang.
Quigley: I can't explain their motivations. I'm sorry.
Q: Can you explain possible motivations for people that would be against this, what the military case can be made? There's a reason for this, which is the State Department is going to be talking about it tomorrow. And this way we will have a better understanding of what the military reasoning is behind the announcement.
Quigley: I would defer to the State Department's person that will be explaining that tomorrow, and just safe to say that we were a part of that process and our views were incorporated in the overall effort.
Q: And Secretary Rumsfeld was involved in that -- in those discussions?
Quigley: I don't know if he was personally involved. I don't know. But certainly the department was, yes.
Q: It would be important to find out if he was involved, considering he's twice secretary of Defense and twice the chairman of pharmaceutical companies who are some of the people that have the most concerns about this.
Quigley: Explain that one to me.
Q: Pharmaceutical companies have weighed in on the protocols, and Secretary Rumsfeld was the CEO and president of two pharmaceutical companies in his former life. So it would seem like he would have a lot of input into such a decision. Can you find out for us if he was personally involved in the decisions about --
Quigley: I don't think I agree with your thesis, but I will try to answer the question. [Secretary Rumsfeld represented the views of the Department at a meeting of the Principal's Committee.]
Q: Why don't you agree with my thesis --
Quigley: Well, you're implying some sort of conflict of interest, if I remember --
Q: No! Absolutely not at all! (Light laughter.) I'm saying that the man was the CEO of pharmaceutical companies who have taken a public stand on this, and he was also secretary of Defense. I'm not saying that these two are conflicting at all.
Quigley: I'll see what I can do.
Q: Simply that he's got background that can be really brought to bear on this question.
Q: Sir, are there any additional briefings or reports expected out in the coming week or weeks ahead regarding further elements of the strategic review?
Quigley: I do not think so. I think we're to the point now where the studies that have been done so far are contributing to the ongoing Quadrennial Defense Review, and that's where everybody's efforts are focused right now. So I don't think so.
Q: A week or so back you had mentioned, or perhaps Mr. Rumsfeld himself mentioned this when he was down here speaking to us last Wednesday, that one of the last things on his plate is this integration study, if I remember that correctly. Can you characterize exactly what that's all about? Is that sort of a jointness across the service boundaries, or -- (inaudible) -- integration in another way there?
Quigley: Well, I think he's talking about an integration task force, or an integration group. You had the various studies that were done over the past several months coming up with their particular area of recommendation, whether that be space or it be intelligence or what-have-you, quality of life and morale. But instead of leaving them to just be isolated in their findings, you need to integrate the findings and sew them all together so that you can have a comprehensive approach to how you're entering the QDR. And I think if I understood last Wednesday, that is what he was referring to.
Q: Okay. Thank you.
Q: Craig, on Friday there was a report from a U.S. Navy pilot flying over Kuwait that he thought he had observed a possible surface-to-air missile being fired in his general direction, or near him. Now that more time has passed, do you have any clarity on what happened in that incident? Was in fact a surface-to-air missile fired from Iraq into Kuwaiti airspace, or do you know?
Quigley: Jamie, we don't have much clarity on that incident. The basic description that you provided was correct. It was a visual from the pilot of the E-2 who was in Kuwaiti airspace at the time. The visibility was such that there was no launch seen from a ground site; no electronic emissions were detected, and we just don't have anything more to go on to provide more clarity as to what could have been the origin of the object that the pilot saw.
Q: A meteor, perhaps? (Laughter.)
Quigley: I don't think so. It was kind of going the wrong direction. It was coming up instead of down. But --
Q: But wouldn't an E-2C Hawkeye, which is a sophisticated surveillance plane, sometimes described as a mini AWACS, wouldn't it have the capability to detect the launch of a missile? Isn't that --
Quigley: Well, you would have to have -- I mean, it does have electronic capabilities on board. It has an active radar search and things of that sort. But if there were no electronic emissions from the guidance system, for instance, for a surface-to-air missile, then there's nothing to detect. I have no idea what the particular status of the active search measures -- the radar, for instance, I don't know if it was even on while it was up for its flight.
Q: (Off mike) -- infrared or detecting a plume, or something like that?
Quigley: I do not think it has that capability.
Q: Nevertheless --
Quigley: But the electronics capability is real, I mean the detection of electronics is real, and there were none to detect. So we're kind of hard-pressed to provide more clarity on that.
Q: Well what category are you putting this in? Just an unconfirmed report?
Quigley: Yeah, that would be a good way to put it.
Q: I have a question. If you launch a surface-to-air missile ballistically -- if you launch it ballistically, doesn't that mean there are no electronic emissions?
Quigley: Correct. Correct. You don't need to have -- I mean --
Q: They don't have to turn on their radar to launch.
Quigley: Correct. Now, you suffer in your accuracy, of course, very greatly, but you do eliminate -- not reduce -- eliminate your electronic emissions if you choose to not turn on your fire control system, your fire control radar.
Q: Well, if this was over Kuwaiti airspace, presumably wouldn't parts or pieces of this have fallen into Kuwait? And has any such thing been found on the ground?
Quigley: I do not know.
Q: Craig, back to the Balkans. Apparently Macedonia today closed the border with Kosovo. Has this had any -- do you know, first of all, how long this is going to go on, and what kind of impact that will have on the resupply that's done for the U.S. contingent in Kosovo through Skopje?
Quigley: Well, I certainly don't have any idea on the first part of your question on how long they'll close their border. That's a national issue. But the -- I think the goal in closing the border was to reduce or eliminate as much as possible the illegal border crossings, not through normal road systems, but in paths and routes through the mountains, and what have you, so that smuggling could continue to occur both directions -- weapons, contraband of every kind. And if you close your border and officially so state, you just ratchet up the level of awareness and sensitivity, I think, to a variety of parties, and hopefully that amount of smuggling and border-crossing would close.
What the government of FYROM might allow as far as official -- both the Americans, the Germans, and others that have their logistics hubs in FYROM, I do not know what sort of negotiations are going on to allow that to continue.
Q: Well, that's apparently the difference. The last time they closed the borders they specifically exempted NATO and they could transit it. This time it's everything.
Quigley: I -- I do not know.
Q: You do not.
Quigley: Barbara.
Q: Can you -- different subject. Do you have any update on the SEAL rescue mission up in Hawaii? Are those SEALs now back in Hawaii?
Quigley: I have some. I mean, I don't think that the merchant vessel is due to -- let's see, today's the 24th. The vessel is not supposed to get in port into Hawaii until tomorrow. So you have three of the SEALs that remain on board the merchant and steaming towards Hawaii. The crewmember that had the acute appendicitis was stabilized by the SEAL medic, probably saved his life. And took a helicopter, medevaced them from the merchant to the cruiser Lake Erie. And when Lake Erie then got within helo range of Hawaii, a Coast Guard helo took the corpsman and the injured crewmember, or the affected crewmember to the hospital in Hawaii. He is stable, but guarded condition, I'm told. And the medic in all likelihood saved his life.
Q: How -- in all seriousness, how unusual is this time of SEAL mission, to parachute out of a C-130 and go rescue people?
Quigley: we train our special operations forces to do a variety of things that you would consider out of the norm of military skills. And that's why we call them special operations forces. This is something they train to do. How often do they do it? I guess infrequently would be the answer. But it sure is nice to have that skill. That's one crewmember that's live today because they practice that skill.
Quigley: Mm-hmm.
Q: Craig?
Quigley: Lena?
Q: One last question.
Quigley: Sure.
Q: On Vieques. On Sunday there's going to be a local referendum in Vieques. One of the three options on the ballot states that the Navy will leave immediately. If people vote for that ballot -- you know, for that option, does that mean that the Navy will cease training immediately?
Quigley: No. Absolutely not. Secretary England has stated his intention for the Navy and Marine Corps to cease training on Vieques in May of 2003.
But until then, the availability of the training ranges in and around Vieques remain an essential part of Atlantic Fleet readiness. So, leaving sooner then is simply not an option.
There is no alternative site that's yet been developed. The Center for Naval Analysis has named the two heads of the study group that will now take a look at those alternatives, but that's an effort that's just getting under way. We need that time, 18 months, 20 months or so, to develop those alternatives, put them in place, so that when May of 2003 comes, we can shift our training focus elsewhere. But leaving immediately is just not a viable option.
Q: Or ceasing training during the next 18 to 20 months, that's not a reality?
Quigley: And not provide training for Atlantic Fleet sailors and Marines? It makes no sense. Can't do it.


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Aug. 5, 2009
By Richard Stevens -- Senior Writer/GoLobos.com
If the new-look Mike Locksley Lobos need to watch some film on quick hitting, swarming and aggression, they might check out the footage on Locksley's first Media Day as a Lobo.
In what probably goes down as the biggest Media Day ever for Lobo football, the New Mexico media was out in full force as it swarmed Locksley, his coaching staff and probably the most Lobo players to ever stand in front of Media Day microphones, cameras and the not-yet-defunct notebooks.
"I understand all this and I'm glad to see all the interest," said Locksley, whose Lobos open practice on Thursday preparing for the season opener Sept. 5 at Texas A&M. "We came here to make Lobo football bigger and better and this interest is part of that job."
The questions Wednesday afternoon at the Media Day luncheon and interview session were mild enough with a lot of attention aimed at the biting question that faces most football teams: "Who will be the starting quarterback?"
Locksley's answer to that question is that there isn't yet an answer and all Lobos will go into fall ball with an equal shot at playing time and starter status.
"We're still in the evaluation process trying to determine who are playmakers on both sides of the football and on the special teams," said Locksley. "We also are looking to see who will emerge as leaders. We are going to challenge our players to step up."
The stepping up process and the evaluation process begins Thursday at 2:30 p.m. and again at 5 p.m. The early, swing shift sessions are designed to divide the 2009 Lobos into two units in order to maximize snaps at all positions.
In other words, Locksley doesn't want the younger Lobos having to stand around on the sidelines watching the more experienced Lobos get most of the snaps - and most of the evaluation. There simply is too much learning to do.
"The younger guys will come out first and then go lift weights and condition," said Lobo senior Ian Clark. "Then the next group comes out."
It's not bad news for the Lobos players, who will be on the field for approximately 2 ½ hours. It will be harder on the Lobo coaches, who will be on the field for around five hours.
Locksley says this practice structure is essential since the first-year coach is installing a no-huddle, multi-look offense and also adding a 4-3 defensive package to blend in with UNM's traditional 3-5 front.
Locksley is willing to throw out Christmas analogies as he looks forward to Thursday's friendly invasion the UNM players. But that doesn't mean he is running around like a 6-year-old waiting for an early-morning visit from Santa Claus.
"I'm checking the list twice," said Locksley. "We did this at Illinois, Maryland and Florida with a new staff, so we've been here before. But that doesn't mean we're not excited. This is like Christmas in August."
It's also a lot of been-there, done-that for a staff that boasts a combined 128 years of coaching experience at the collegiate or pro level.
Locksley's staff is dynamic and tested. But this also is a season of challenges as Locksley looks at a 2009 schedule that has to rate as one of the more challenging in UNM history.
"We know what we want to do and we know how to do it."
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"As a team, we have a great challenge before us with our schedule," said Locksley. "But as a team, we also love a challenge."
The Lobos face the always-tough Mountain West schedule plus non conference games with Texas AM, Tulsa, New Mexico State and Texas Tech.
The Christmas package of Lobos that Locksley and his staff get to rip into on Thursday includes 22 returning lettermen, eight starters back on offense and three starters back on defense.
"We have 105 guys coming in (Thursday) and you want to make sure things go smoothly," said Locksley "We're like teachers with their lesson plans. We chart things out as far as we can, but we also know you might have to make changes along the way.
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A Ventura police officer filed for divorce in 2009 within weeks of learning his then-wife was under investigation in the fatal stabbing of her aunt, court records show.
Gina Drake, 45, was arrested Friday on suspicion of killing Wendy Di Rodio three years ago at a Ventura Keys home. Drake was being held Tuesday in Ventura County jail in lieu of $1 million bail. She was scheduled to be arraigned today.
Di Rodio, 61, was found stabbed to death in her bedroom at her parents' home on June 3, 2009. Police have not released details of their case against Drake, including a possible motive, but they said the arrest came after a three-year investigation that included thousands of hours of work and scores of interviews.
Asked Tuesday why the investigation took three years, police Cmdr. Brock Avery said the proper time to introduce evidence will be in court. He did say, however, "Investigations of this consequence — you've got to get it right."
According to divorce records obtained by The Star on Tuesday, Ventura police Officer Aaron Drake said he learned his then wife may have had some involvement with a serious criminal matter under investigation on June 16, 2009, 13 days after the slaying. Two days later, the couple separated when Gina Drake left their Ventura home accompanied by an attorney and her mother, who was Di Rodio's sister, the records say.
Divorce records also say Gina Drake had threatened or attempted suicide twice during the Drakes' 12-year marriage.
In May 2005, she threatened and had "substantially prepared for" a violent suicide attempt, according to records filed by Aaron Drake. She was voluntarily hospitalized at the time, according to those filings.
In November 2010, after the Drakes' attorneys had reached a tentative divorce agreement, Gina Drake again attempted suicide and was involuntarily hospitalized, the records say.
Aaron Drake filed for divorce in July 2009, about a month after Di Rodio was killed. He listed irreconcilable differences as the reason, later describing Gina Drake's possible involvement with "a serious criminal matter."
Aaron Drake apparently tried to question his wife himself after learning she was involved in a police investigation, but she invoked her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, according to the divorce papers.
Two days later, Ventura police seized the couple's Ford Escape as evidence in an ongoing investigation.
"This vehicle is a critical piece of evidence in the case, which has been hampered by Gina Drake's lack of cooperation," says a letter from the Ventura Police Department three months later.
An attorney listed in the divorce records as representing Gina Drake could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
For five years before the couple separated, Gina Drake was the primary caregiver to the couple's two children, the divorce documents say. She was allowed supervised visitation under a divorce settlement signed by the Drakes in 2011.
Aaron Drake, an officer since 2001, was placed on paid administrative leave at the start of the Di Rodio investigation, police said Friday. He has since returned to active duty, and police officials said he fully cooperated in the investigation.
Aaron Drake declined to comment when reached by phone Friday, and police officials have said he was ordered not to discuss the case.
Someone identified as Aaron Drake, of Ventura, wrote a letter to the editor published in The Star in July 2010. Responding to a story about a one-year anniversary vigil for an unrelated slaying of an Oxnard woman, he cited the anniversary of the "brutal stabbing" of Di Rodio.
"As in the other unsolved case, the murderer of Di Rodio still runs free, possibly even within our own community. The murderer may be sitting on a bus seat next to any one of us or in the seat next to us in a movie theater," the letter says. "Until these senseless acts of violence are resolved by investigators, I believe The Star has a duty, as a community watchdog, to keep a public face on these unsolved cases."
Di Rodio was living with her parents, David and Florence Silver, at their house in the 2800 block of Sailor Avenue. Di Rodio had moved in to help take care of her father, friends said at the time. He died last year, according to police.
Florence Silver found her daughter dead two days after Di Rodio's 61st birthday. Police said Di Rodio was stabbed multiple times.
Di Rodio, an author, licensed therapist and avid swing dancer, was described as a bubbly but quiet woman who loved animals.
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I'm a veteran and longtime enthusiast of two great jazz-and-more music festivals in New Orleans, both just around the corner: The French Quarter Festival and the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival, AKA Jazz Fest.
I'll be attending French Quarter Fest, so stay tuned for coverage here (I'm also covering for a national mag).
Meanwhile, below is a brief preview of both fests, as published in today's Tampa Bay Times. Link directly to the story here.
In the spring, a music lover's fancy turns to thoughts of New Orleans. In particular, as Mardi Gras recedes in the rearview mirror and April looms large, it's nearly impossible for a fan of American roots music not to ponder a pilgrimage to the Crescent City.
There, in the city where jazz was born, the Southern-fried but remarkably eclectic, wholly intertwined music, food and drink culture remains a thing of beauty, giving the Mississippi River port town a vibe unlike anywhere else. The bohemianism and quirkiness coupled with inimitable cuisine have survived a century or more of tourist onslaught, not to mention disastrous floods.
That culture, handily captured in the musician-studded HBO dramatic series Treme, has given rise to two sprawling multiday festivals — the French Quarter Festival and the Jazz and Heritage Festival. Each offers a seemingly nonstop, celebratory blast of sounds associated with the city as well as bayou country.
While both festivals feature generous helpings of jazz, blues, R&B, funk, gospel, Latin, folk, Cajun and zydeco music, along with crawfish dishes of every imaginable variety, it's easy to tell the two apart.
French Quarter Fest, celebrating its 30th anniversary with this year's event, April 11-14, is free, with more than 1,300 musicians playing on 20 stages throughout the Vieux Carré and along the Mississippi. The focus is almost exclusively on homegrown talent. The city's trumpet kings, Irvin Mayfield and Kermit Ruffins, are on the bill, along with the durable modern jazz band Astral Project, Meters bassist George Porter Jr., the Dirty Dozen Brass Band, blues guitarist Walter "Wolfman" Washington, the Preservation Hall Jazz Band and Big Chief Bo Dollis Jr. and the Wild Magnolias.
The Jazz and Heritage Festival, commonly called Jazz Fest, is always the last weekend in April and the first weekend in May at the historic Fair Grounds Race Course. For the fest's 44th annual edition, thousands of Louisiana-based musicians will share the ticketed event's dozen stages with big-name pop and rock acts, including Fleetwood Mac, the Dave Matthews Band and the Black Keys.
Jazz Fest, which drew a seven-day attendance of 450,000 last year, is known internationally, thanks to stunning performances by the likes of Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder, Wilco and Neil Young. While some have knocked the inclusion of big-name acts at the fest, some fans of those artists inadvertently have warmed to the hometown heroes — the Radiators, the Neville Brothers, Anders Osborne — on the same stages.
"You've got people from all the world who go back to their cities and say, 'Hey, I went to see Billy Joel but you've got to' see this guy Jon Cleary who went on right before him,' " said Mark Samuels, owner of Basin Street Records, the long-running New Orleans label. "Or 'I was at the House of Blues and it was a showdown between Irvin Mayfield and Kermit Ruffins, and Wynton Marsalis showed up and played.' Things like that happen."
French Quarter Fest may not have as big an international buzz as Jazz Fest, but the former event draws more people over a shorter period of time, with an estimated attendance of 574,000 in 2012.
And the festivals cumulatively raise the profile of the music, still the heart and soul of the city.
"There's a huge variety of music, and a huge variety of people, and even more if you get out at night and you check out places like the Maple Leaf Bar or the Howling Wolf or the Blue Nile," Samuels said. "(Visitors) gain an appreciation for how cool the music is and how great the food is and they see things like our architecture and experience the hospitality that New Orleanians know how to show."
Philip Booth writes about jazz and other music for JazzTimes, DownBeat, Relix, Bass Player and Jazziz.
New Orleans music festivals
The 30th anniversary French Quarter Fest is April 11-14 on 20 stages around New Orleans' French Quarter and along the Mississippi River. There will be fireworks at about 9 p.m. on April 13. Admission is free. For more information, go to fqfi.org/frenchquarterfest/.
The New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival is April 26 to May 5; music events are on the weekends. All events are at the Fair Grounds Race Course, 1751 Gentilly Blvd., 10 minutes from the French Quarter. Hours for the fair are 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. Times of musical acts vary. For a schedule and information about tickets and ticket packages, go to nojazzfest.com.