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Genetically engineered super-banana could save millions of lives
- By Ryan Whitwam on June 16, 2014 at 8:27 am
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Malnutrition is a problem across large swaths of the globe, but it's a difficult problem to solve. It's not only a matter of people getting enough to eat; they need to have the right combination of food as well. People in developing countries often subside on a very limited diet, which can lead to life-threatening vitamin deficiencies. Surprisingly, a genetically modified (GM) super-banana backed by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation might be a key weapon in the fight against malnutrition. Yeah, it's not as sexy as the Gates-backed condoms.
So what makes it "super?" This banana is absolutely chock full of beta-carotene, which the body uses to produce vitamin A. That may not sound like a food with the potential to make an impact on malnutrition, but vitamin A deficiency is a huge problem in the developing world. World health experts estimate 650,000-700,000 children die annually from a lack of vitamin A in their diets. A further 300,000 avoid death only to lose their eyesight. By tweaking a few genes, scientists have created a banana that could prevent such things.
Beta-carotene itself is a large hydrocarbon molecule (pictured above) that has a deep orange color. If you've ever wondered why carrots, pumpkins, and sweet potatoes are orange, it's because of all the beta-carotene they contain. Some species of bananas also produce higher levels of beta-carotene, but they aren't the ones cultivated for human consumption. It's these other bananas that Queensland University of Technology scientists used as the source of genetic material to create the super-banana.
Like everything else that goes on in a living organism, there are genes in plants that control the synthesis of beta-carotene. Researchers isolated the genes responsible for this in the non-edible variety of banana and inserted it into the banana we all know and love. A little extra genetic engineering magic increased the expression of this gene, and bam — you get a banana that produces a ton of beta-carotene to fight vitamin A deficiency. They look normal on the outside, but under the peel the fruit has a golden hue.
So why go to all the trouble of creating a GM plant instead of simply shipping crates of carrots to the developing world? Health workers realized long ago that it's logistically difficult to continually ship in foreign food to stave off malnutrition — growing the necessary foods locally is much more feasible. Staple crops (like bananas in many tropical regions) are ideal because subsistence farmers already know how to cultivate them.
It's the same approach that was taken more than a decade ago to create Golden Rice. In that case, scientists from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the University of Freiburg modified rice to produce beta-carotene in the endosperm (the part we eat) rather than just in the leaves. The result was an orangey variety of rice that boosted levels of vitamin A. Rice is a staple food among the poor in Asia, just like bananas in the tropics.
The super-banana is set to undergo human testing in the US over the coming weeks at a cost of $10 million, paid for by the Gates Foundation. Researchers will monitor vitamin A levels to see if they tick upward following ingestion of the enriched bananas. Anything having to do with genetic modified foods tends to be contentious, but that's mostly because of misconceptions about testing and risk factors. If a banana a day can prevent thousands of deaths, it's probably a win. If all goes as planned, the genetically modified fruit could be growing in Africa by 2020.
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Angel Ham
You know the SJWs will fight this to the bitter end.
i also guess a lot of people will say "NO don't do this GMO's are bad what if they spread out it will be the worst thing ever e.g. don't care if it can solve world hunger"
But yea this is a great idea. also bananas almost have no fertile fruit so it will not have any way to "spread".
There's always been a few stupid people who battle against scientific progress. I like to remind them that their whole way of life is down to science, and there is no way for them to live without technology.
The act of bashing rocks together was the first steps in technological advancement. I can't see a way of living without any technology, and welcome the advancements that make life more comfortable.
Technology is a two-way street through, how it is used is dependent on the intention of the user.
still we have never have been so comfortable as we are today.
while wars got more bloody and worse if there are any. but because the weapons are so powerful today nobody wants to wage a world war anymore. except for extremists and some dictator or so called "politicians" like putin
Caroline Yunker
Technology can be misused by man for profits. What about
F-U-K-U-S-H-I-M-A? We will be dealing with its' after effects for many decades.
yes and no, lets assume someone can genetical manipulate a micro organism so it "likes" to eat the radio active stuff so we could get it out of the ground.
if we can make nuclear fusion work than we can just close all normal nuclear generators.
we just need a big leap to solve the old days problems. but if we get stuck or slowed down than it will take longer before we find a solution.
Jacqueline implied I'm taken by surprise that a mom can earn $8130 in 1 month
on the computer . see post Fiscalpost.COM
I don't personally think that Putin wants to engage in war, I do think that he shamelessly chose to seize the opportunity to take advantage of an unfortunate situation which is very despicable thing to do and for which I think he has painted himself into a box, just like a thief who meets their ultimate demise because they got too greedy. Rather than trying to alleviate an already dire situation his actions has only led to making things worse.
You touched on an interesting topic that I wanted to go into before in my last comment and that is in regards to the availability of a diverse variety of empowering to the average people coupled with the knowledge or access to that knowledge to operate such technologies, which is an ever emergent reality for which I personally think that those who choose to govern us and tell us what to do have not taken enough responsibility in adequately preparing their respective societies to deal with as a whole. I guess what I am trying to say with this is that you can't expect to keep advancing into the future until you have addressed certain fundamental aspects of your society, if those aspects are not addressed then you are going to have some pretty serious problems.
I suppose a good example I can give of the analogy I mentioned above is trying to solve crime by employing more security forces, that may solve some crime but it most certainly won't end with crime altogether, if a real solution is discovered then the real root of why this crime keeps occurring must be found (which completely goes against the capitalist model, problem = money and employment) so that a real solution can be employed which will lead to fundamental structural change to the way a society operates.
You know, it is a really pain to live in a society where solutions exist but are never employed because there isn't enough paper to do around or political will.
until I saw the paycheck which said $8694 , I didn't
believe that my sister was like trully erning money part time on there
computar. . there friends cousin had bean doing this for only thirteen months
and resantly repayed the dept on their home and bought themselves a Infiniti .
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if those aspects are not addressed then you are going to have some pretty serious problems.
this really makes me think of masseffect where the krogans where discovered and given technology.
these krogans where super strong aliens race that reproduce fast. they where still as a tribal stage and where still verry agressive. but got vast amounts of technology in a short time.
eventually the nucked themselfs and the more advanced civs created a gene mutation to stop them from reproducing that fast and pulling the whole galaxy in a war.
they where not ready for the tech they had.
interesting analogy.
Would you rather go back to bashing rocks? People have tried to stop progress for years, whereas they should just accept that it's inevitable. Keep up with the wave of change, or get toppled over by it.
You are assuming that I have an either/or view towards technology (which is quite a presumption of someone frequents a website like ExtremeTech), what I actually meant with that comment is what can be summed up with that age old saying "with greater power comes greater responsibility" which is a reality that I do not think humanity has come to terms with.
Scott Jackson
True. I find the people that oppose GMOs have reasons very similar to people that oppose homosexuality. They give stupid reasons with no substance like "it's not natural," "it's not what God intended." I would like to think God (if there is one) didn't intend for these people to be so ignorant.
My response to the "it's not natural" argument is that it's impossible for us to make anything unnatural. Because our intelligence is a product of the universe, anything we build is within the rules of the universe and is totally natural.
Ants build anthills, humans build cars, rockets etc.
http://chasesfreebies.com/ Chase
Well, I fully support gay marriage and have no problems at all with gay people but I am on the fence about GMO's. My only concerns are environmental impact. Who knows what could potentially happen once GMO's are released in to the environment.
I still eat GMO's and think that this is a great idea though.
plants are constantly altering there DNA by radiation and croos fetilising. so the only thing that can happen in the wild is that the GMO plant wins from the normal version and the normal becomes a hybrid version because cross fertilizations until most of the plants have the mutated gene.
asuming the GMO is a stronger crop.
the not natural case is the easiest thing to bash.
i mean bears are natural but are they healthy even cyanide is natural which is one of the strongest poison.
And there are also people that are simply extremely cautious because mankind has only a very short history with modifying genes. As we experiment we get a better appreciation of risk but only fools rush in and sometimes we all pay for the mistakes of a few fools.
Lets use developing nations as our laboratory.
perry magee
it's already being done and has been done for a time.
The only people I've ever seen be vehemently opposed to GMOs are those opposed to "Roundup Ready" and the like. They oppose the Monsanto/Bayer style of genetically modifying crops to imbue the plants with bacteria which produce pesticide so that the crops will be more tolerant to pesticide so that more can be applied. It is not being used to produce more nutritious products in most cases, but to produce crops which are inherently poisonous where they weren't before in order to pad the bottom line through increased pesticide sales. To tack this viewpoint onto crazies and out-of-touch SJWs is not accurate. Most mainstream applications of genetic modification are purely profit driven without a second thought to human (or other) health considerations.
Jeff Vahrenkamp
You've got two things mixed up there and miss the point of them both. Roundup ready crops have a single enzyme added to prevent toxicity from roundup (it poisons an amino acid synthesis pathway). BT plants have a toxin produced by the Bacillus thurengensis bacterium which is toxic to pests that eat the crops, but not to humans. Sure both make monsanto money, but they also increase crop yields and reduce the need for pesticides and herbicides that are know to be more toxic and harmful to the environment. The end result is more food for less land, money, and time.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, I must have been completely misguided. The entire idea here is that farmers can now dump many time more poison onto your food than before in order to get rid of weeds that wouldn't go away before. They started out with double doses and had initial success, but wound up creating super weeds. Then they increased dosages to 4x the original amount, and still can't totally control these super weeds.
You also need to realize that this is driving small farmers out of business due to forced contract structures that lock farmers into one company or another without any chance of getting out. Between the overly expensive GMO seeds and the multiplied pesticide costs, they end up going under, but that's another conversation entirely.
The other point that still remain is that farmers are now dumping multiple times more poison onto your food and you seem to be totally ok with it. These 'less toxic than other alternatives' poisons are still toxic poisons. I've yet to see a bottle of Roundup or 2,4-D labeled as being safe for human consumption. It's as if you're saying "Smoking four packs of cigarettes a day is far safer than breathing chlorine gas, so let's go smoke four packs of cigarettes a day!" A sane person opts out altogether and finds a truly safe alternative.
Jeff Vahrenkamp
You need to do more research on farming. If you don't use roundup to kill off the weeds, then you have to use something else. Despite what you think, round up is a very friendly chemical compared to the other herbicides used in farming and has a lower persistence and toxicity. You also apply it before fruit formation, so it's not going on your food.
More food for thought, if roundup ready crops are so expensive, then why would farms buy them? There are plenty of non-round up resistant crops to plant. Why are people trying to select for roundup resistant crops to get around royalties? You can talk about farmers going out of business all you want, but economically it really doesn't make sense (and all the farmer friends and relatives I have don't find it so burdensome as you describe).
Of course roundup is not considered safe for human consumption, but it is not a food, so they wouldn't ever label it so, however they have done studies where they fed rats up to 5% of their diet in in pure roundup, and it didn't have major harmful effects, minus a reduction in sperm count, and that only a small one. Lots of work was done to make sure your food won't kill you. We have several large branches of the government that do nothing but enforce regulations and do testing to make sure your food isn't killing you.
The good news is that you, as a sane person, can opt out (sort of) and buy your organic food.
I Love it how the developers of The Simpsons have a knack for slipping real world controversies in a hilariously into the cartoon.
According to website BreastCancer.org, bananas can cause constipation. In a study published in the "European Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology" in June 2005, 29 to 48 percent of people considered bananas constipating foods.
Constipation is better than dying or losing your vision right? Although, some levels of constipation can lead to death I think they are statistically insignificant. I could be wrong though . . .
Or, we could just teach them to eat veggies and poof! no death OR constipation!
Angel Ham
That's BS. Try eating six overly ripe bananas (when they're yellow and freckles begin to appear on the skin) then tell me how it went.
"Hey I know what'll cheer you up…"
What they really need is education.
Yes, because that is a well-balanced diet. That degree will be mighty useful when they are starving to death.
Actually, indirectly, yes. A greater understanding will help those in Uganda utilize the lands they have for beta carotene producing foods rather than things such as tobacco. They get plenty of rainfall and have plenty of rich fertile land to grow the foods to rectify the issue.
Harvest McCampbell
Golden rice–same modification, has already been offered free to subsistence farmers in many countries. And those farmers as well as the countries they live in have, as far as I can find, by and large rejected the idea of golden rice. If they don't accept the rice, I doubt they will accept the bananas. But who knows we shall see. If the Gates, or anyone else, is actually interested in the problems of malnutrition, it seems to me the thing to do would be to choose a community where it is a problem to start with, and go there and study the problem locally. Malnutrition has a history, it has land use and economic connections, as well as a relationship to available health care and education and many other infrastructure and political tie ins. To have an effect on malnutrition one must understand the environment it exists in and how it developed. And then one must engage the people in that environment in conversations about the issues and about what they want to do to improve them. If you don't have local input, if you don't have local buy in, if you are not involved to empower the people to better their lives themselves–chances are you will end up with another golden failure. Who knows though, time will tell . . .
David Brown
You are misinformed. Golden Rice only recently gained approval for field trials, breeders are back crossing with current cultivars, and it has not been released for cultivation.
It hasn't been released in the US, certainly. However, Golden Rice has been in fields for over two years in the Philippines
David Brown
Only in trials. That was what the ecoterrorists destroyed. There are still several steps before golden rice seed can be released.
Eco terrorists? So that's what we're calling farmers these days? That strikes me as remarkably ignorant and insensitive.
"Did you hear that a group of 400 angry farmers
attacked and destroyed a field trial of genetically modified rice in
the Philippines this month? That, it turns out, was a lie. The crop was
actually destroyed by a small number of activists while farmers who had
been bussed in to attend the event looked on in dismay."
\So who were these attackers? Did they look like farmers? "No," replied
Boncodin. "Maybe two or three of them were farmers, but the rest of them
were not real farmers. I could see that this was the first time they
had stepped in mud or been to a farm. They were city boys, city girls.
Two of them were even sporting dyed hair. … Would you consider a
farmer having dyed hair?"\
Sorry, Slate isn't exactly known for its credibility. Slate magazine is known, however, for frequently criticized for adopting contrarian and misleading positions. More importantly, the New York Times, and BBC News have significant credibility and are known for redacting and correcting errors in their reporting… on last check (a few minutes ago), the reports are unchanged.
well how about a statement from the actual I.R.R.I. website and philippine department of agriculture officials
\there were farmers in the group, but they just watched and stayed on the sidelines. Local customs and traditions dictate that the destruction of a living field brings bad fortune – Bicolanos refer to it as "Bosung". Those who entered the field
to vandalize were mostly young men and some covered their faces.
The local officials and the Institutional Biosafety Committee (IBC) recounted that the rallyists had been assembled in Legazpi City the day before, and brought overnight to Naga City in a convoy of about a dozen jeepneys. In Naga City they had been housed in local hotels. It was reported that the group included foreigners.\
corroborating information from a leading philippine newspaper
Contentious indeed, as the saying goes: "You are what you eat". Human beings are highly suspicious about any form of sabotage to their food, we've all been there, when you suspect that some dodgy character that you don't trust has been hanging about your food, you do what everyone else does you pick it up and throw it away.
Rather than spending that money on 'genetically modifying' (euphemism for mutating) the food that we eat, why is this research money not being invested in proliferating the sustainable plantation of 'plant life' that produces agriculture goods that are well known to have naturally high levels of beta-carotene such as fruit of Oil Palm trees?
Why does ever endeavour that claims to be in the interest of ending malnutrition in developing countries always end up as an attempt at mutating the food that we eat?
Ulrich Werner
We've been "mutating" food for millennia. It's called breeding. Corn wouldn't exist, potatoes would be very small, same for apples (which tend to be relatively disgusting in their "natural" versions). Cattle didn't exist in the current form a few thousand years ago.
I don't know why people are whining about GMOs so much. Everything we eat has been GM'ed.
"We've been "mutating" food for millennia" there's a world of difference between hybridization (slicing plants together), and plucking DNA from insects to insert into plants. The reason people are talking about it, is when you cross the barrier between species, you start having to consider diseases that affect both DNA contributors. In other words, GMO corn that has bug DNA might be afflicted by something a disease that would normally harm that bug… we also don't know the repercussions of most of these combinations and how they'll interact with the human body, once ingested, and with nature.
we have to check it but GMO's have been pushed to big corperations because the genral public cannot try nor be allowed and not even be able to do all the tests required before it can be sold. it is now on a list worse than medicine where only big players can do inovation because of the costs.
if we where less strict on this matter than GMO would have been much better adopted and much further developed.
lets assume the plant can get infected with the bug disease than we could just manipulate again to make the plant immune to this disease. it almost becomes a recursive problem.
Cam Gordon
"lets assume the plant can get infected with the bug disease than we could just manipulate again to make the plant immune to this disease. it almost becomes a recursive problem."
if that is the case then why arent they doing that now? mad cow? lets fix that. bird flu? lets fix that… your argument is incorrect based on the assumption that we can just do that, we are not at that level yet.
And lets not forget that with each "correction" there is a multiplicative effect on possible repercussions. I'm not against the science of it. GMO science has enormous potential…however, I will not support the typical bum-rush push through methods employed by the likes of Monsanto and ConAgra. We need to thoroughly understand what it is we're dealing with and the repercussions… and it MUST be based off good scientific method based research.
did you ever hear about ethical commission and that there is no market for it because no one wants to eat "mutated" meat.
vaccination is something that also helps for a lot of stuff and is much cheaper, while it does not work for plants but it works for a lot of diseases.
but lets not forget that there have been goats made that have milk which can be used to create spider web like material.
so lifestock and plants is a totally different case for most people.
PS bird flue is almost impossible because we would need to vaccinate/ genetical manipulate a lot of birds to stop it. it is economical impossible.
David Brown
We have been using mutagenesis, the random scrambling of genetic material through irradiation and chemical treatment, since the 1950s. Almost every commercial crop has been bred using mutagenesis at some point, even all of those "certified organic" crops. And you should really take the time to learn a bit more about how transgenic techniques actually work. It is a very precise process, and every new protein has to be tested for approval (which isn't required for other techniques).
It is a very precise process, and every new protein has to be tested for approval (which isn't required for other techniques).
i guess this is why there is a monopoly because only the big guys can pay up for this costs. i guess the market should be more open for the smaller guys.
Jeff Vahrenkamp
You've got an overly simplified understanding of how biology works. These aren't genes from insects (by bugs people usually mean bacteria). In the case of golden rice from a flower and a soil bacterium. Having 1 gene from an organism does not make you susceptible to disease to those organisms. If you believe current theory about the evolution of the chloroplast (the part of the plant that is used for photosynthesis), then you'd know that bacteria were already incorporated into plants. As for repercussions, well that is why we have people who know a lot more about biology than you working 60 hour weeks year round making sure there aren't any, as well as 10 bureaucrats and 100 ignorant activists for every scientist looking for a hint that they screwed up.
To not do something because you don't know what the outcome will be is incredibly dumb and rather the opposite of what it means to be human.
ypu. there's even one plant – arctic apples – that are GM'ed but DONT have new dna. they just duplicate a gene already in the apple
Cam Gordon
"To not do something because you don't know what the outcome will be is incredibly dumb and rather the opposite of what it means to be human."
No that is called ignorance and selfishness. what if someone did screw it up and then screwed the planet and we were all gonna die from some stupid plant (hypothetically speaking of course!). Then this 1 person or group who decided that they should have just tried it because it is our way would have ruined it for everybody. and what if majority of the people didnt want it? that is ignorance on many levels.
I dont disagree with GMO however I think they are being implemented in a very wrong way. First, i think there needs to be A LOT more control of how and where they are grown. I also think there needs to be more control on our food supply (GMO and non-GMO). I dont think we need to be feeding our cattle GMO corn because it is cost effective. That is wrong on many levels, cows dont even eat corn ffs..I dont think we need plants resistant to round up.. for what? to make it more efficient? that is not helping us as the people, that is helping the CEO's make more money. Most of the world is not starving and the population is concentrated in to specific places so why are we eating this shit here in the Americas??
I do agree with things like super bananas and golden rice. I think GMO should be used for making plants tolerant to different conditions, so they can be grown in foreign places so the people can grow their own food. But this alone raises questions. What is to stop those in power from using this tech as a eugenics weapon? they could create strains that harm certain types of people or only release bad strains in populated areas for population control. its certainly food for thought!
GMOs are cross breeding. Its like mating two different species of animal. The modifications you are talking about have always been done within the same species.
In any case, I dont see any reason why I shouldnt know whether my food has been modified or not. Same reason I should know where the hell a product was made and what ingredients it contains.
"GMOs are cross breeding" – Yes and no. Hybridization combines different types of plant. For example; A pear tree and an apple tree can be spliced together to create a hybridized fruiting tree. The resulting fruit can take on qualities of both pears and apples. This practice is frequently done in order to find and develop new varieties of apple in my state. GMO science takes genetic material from animal life and inserts it into plant life…thereby crossing specie barriers.
thereby crossing specie barriers.
The Species Barrier is a Human construct, nature doesnt care where the genes come from, only what they do.
GMO crops with no foreign genes are possible. Such as duplicating already existing genes or deleting some. With modern methods you dont even have to add foreign marker genes
perry magee
If GMO's are safe, then let's not patent the technology; make it public property, since the intention to solve world hunger is so sincere; every farmer can try it out on some portion of his crops or perhaps even an individual growing food for his family. Let's see how quickly they drop all this technology.
GMO has been made free for the farmer in some instances. Rainbow papaya for example. There the papaya farmers adopted it wholeheartedly and they tried to campaign for GMO's but they sometimes lost since the farmers are a small proportion of the voting populace
but of course developing GMO takes money and its not realistic to think that companies will spend a lot of money then give away the product. Only a few non profit organizations can do it because they recieve funding in other ways like from the govt. Rainbow papaya is an example with a local hawaiian university doing the research. Golden rice is under the non profit IRRI and a local government university and once its approved it will be legal for the farmers to replant the golden rice seeds
In india, there was a black market for the original GM cotton several years ago cotton before it was officialy launched in india. And history repeats itself, the new version of GM cotton also has a black market. Neighboring Pakistan also smuggles BT cotton from india. If there are smugglers then presumably the farmers have a demand for it
Breeding plant life is not the same thing as genetic modification.
I picked-up the following misleading excerpt from an article titled "Scientists continue to find new ways to insert genes for specific traits into plant and animal DNA. A field of promise—and a subject of debate—genetic engineering is changing the food we eat and the world we live in." on the National Geographic website:
"Genetic modification is not novel. 'Humans have been altering the genetic makeup of plants for millennia', keeping seeds from the best crops and planting them in following years, breeding and crossbreeding varieties to make them taste sweeter, grow bigger, last longer."
Anyone with the appropriate knowledge can breed different plants, altering the genetic makeup of organism haphazardly is in noway near to the sort of genetic modification that is practised today, it takes a technologically advanced society with advanced knowledge of genetics to be able to alter the generic make-up of an organism.
I should have paied more attention in geography class, I used the term 'plant life' because I do not know what the correct term for that is.
What do you call the 'thing' that produces agricultural product? (e.g. trees, plants, shrubs, etc.,).
Jeff Vahrenkamp
Flora (plant life) as opposed to fauna (animal life)? And Ulrich is beyond right. GMOs are nothing new, but the stupidity that keeps people from eating and growing things like golden rice and these super bananas seems to be. The irony is that the people with plenty to eat, no dying of malnutrition in countries like India are the ones making the choice to reject golden rice for those who are eating food literally out of the garbage. At that point I don't think they give a crap where their food came from.
Flora is a good term although it refers to the plant life that is grown indigenously in a certain region, what I really wanted to know is the term that describes flora that is destined specifically for the use in agriculture, flora is a generic term used when referring to plant life but I assume that there is most likely a more specific term used for flora that is cultivated and harvested to then be used as a natural good.
Rereading my previous comment now brings me to the realisation that I should have formulated a better explanation to my question.
The money is best spent on genetic modification. It means spending far less to accomplish far more good. Just because you do not understand what they are doing does not mean you should fear it for no reason.
hum, I don't know, I think your first two claims can be contested.
Just like I mentioned above, there is definitely an issue of trust here, the fact the we do not entirely know what is being done to our food is more of a reason for us to fear the implications of consuming it.
We now know that most human beings have substances in their bodies that originated from the processed 'post-natural' (tampered with) food that we eat that have been proven to have detrimental effects to our health.
I think that these companies fail to see or choose not to see the larger picture of the problem at hand, the solution that is being proposed is far too narrowly defined as if it is the best and only solution to solve this problem.
That which is considered 'good' is not always mutually accepted throughout society, what one party may have in mind as being for the good of another party may not be in the same interest of that other party.
You'll have to excuse me for being a little bit sceptical of a person who has subtly hinted at their support of the idea of population control who at the same time is advocating the proliferation of mutated food under the guise of ending malnutrition in developing countries where the vast majority of the human population is located and where the majority of growth in the human population is expected to occur. Something is ###### up(!?)
I personally think that the ways in which we have chosen to manage ourselves on this planet are beginning to demonstrate just how unfit these ways are in respect to dealing with the emergent problems that are taking place throughout human civilisation.
I thought "golden rice" was supposed to be the big fix, no? Why start from scratch again?
Golden rice failed. It doesn't have enough beta carotene for the desired result and the native populace rejected it as a food crop. The reality is there is plenty of food to feed the whole world over easily… we just have to get the vegetables there and they'll be fine.
David Brown
No, golden rice didn't fail. The second iteration provides ample beta carotene, and " native" populations have yet to be given seeds to grow golden rice.
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Guess what, rice doesnt grow everywhere.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
The Gates Foundation has 8 foods planned for GM nutrition enhancement. All together this can help most regions of starvation.
David Onter
Now I can die in peace…
Umm… the answer isn't create some GMO so that people will get the nutrients they need… the answer is teach them to eat freaking vegetables.
Stacey Bright
I think you are missing the point. You just can't get all forms of vegetables to grow everywhere. The places they are trying to put these GMO foods, either don't have the soil or climate to support the abundance of naturally occurring vegetation to solve the problem. Its not that these people are ignorant to the concept of eating vegetables, they don't have them in the first place. The things that they can get to grow in these places have the problems of either not being plentiful enough or not providing the adequate nutrition in natural forms.
I'm really rather not missing the point at all. The point is that people are dying of malnutrition. They are dying due to a significant lack of beta carotene…this we know. We also know that these people refused to adopt golden rice. If they refused to accept golden rice, what makes you think they'll accept this strangely colored banana? When I say "teach them to eat vegetables", I'm being serious…there needs to some serious educational programs about their food intake. There are vegetables that grow in hot climates that contain beta carotene…such as a variety of peppers for example. No, this is a case of someone trying to reinvent the wheel…and chances are, there is a profit motive involved.
David Brown
And the misinformation continues. No, they did NOT reject golden rice. The political and regulatory hurdles have been so difficult that it still hasn't been released. The comment about eating freaking vegetables is also remarkably ignorant and insensitive. A lot of people have just enough land to grown enough cereal calories to stay alive. Where are they going to get the land or money to eat vegetables?
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/philippines-protesters-trample-uproot.html – In a place where golden rice has been grown for a number of years, seems to me that this is a fairly solid rejection.
the trampling of a philippine test plot of golden rice by a few non-farmers is hardly a solid rejection.
Applying spin doesn't negate factual details. As I said before, I'll take the facts presented by the BBC and New York Times over the dubious-at-best details presented by the duplicitous Slate Magazine
well how about a statement from the actual I.R.R.I. website
\there were farmers in the group, but they just watched and stayed on the sidelines. Local customs and traditions dictate that the destruction of a living field brings bad fortune – Bicolanos refer to it as "Bosung". Those who entered the field
to vandalize were mostly young men and some covered their faces.
The local officials and the Institutional Biosafety Committee (IBC) recounted that the rallyists had been assembled in Legazpi City the day before, and brought overnight to Naga City in a convoy of about a dozen jeepneys. In Naga City they had been housed in local hotels. It was reported that the group included foreigners.\
corroborating information from a leading philippine newspaper called the manila bulletin which says essentially the same thing
The answer is to stop undercutting local food economies and subsistence growers in favor of products from ADM and Monsanto. They already know how to grow and eat vegetables.
David Brown
Small holders will pay no royalties for the Golden Rice seeds. The Golden Banana was developed by Gates Foundation and will be released to the public. Did you even read the article before posting your standard spiel?
Yes, I read the article, did you? Nowhere in the article does it say they will give this away, and even if small holders don't pay a royalty, I assume larger ones will. What I said still stands.
David Brown
Yes, the familiar ad hominem attack when logic and reason fails. In fact, I'm a former Peace Corps Volunteer who has spent many years living and working in developing countries. At present I'm an academic soil scientist who works on climate change issues, and no, I've never gotten a dime from Monsanto. What you said was simply parroted from anti-GMO websites. "Once locally developed varieties containing the Golden trait have cleared the regulatory hurdles at national level, they will be made available to subsistence farmers free of charge. The seed will become their property and they will also be able to use part of their harvest to sow their next crop, free of cost." http://www.goldenrice.org/Content4-Info/info.php As for the Golden Banana, can you see that there is no corporate biotech company involved? This has been developed by the Gates Foundation, working with a public university.
If you take umbrage with other committing Ad hominem attacks, I recommend that you yourself cease your own direct or implied attacks… else you damage your own credibility.
David Brown
I don't take umbrage. I point out that it is a sign of weakness. It isn't an ad hominem attack to point out that a poster is remarkably ill informed about the science of an issue.
If you hadn't taken umbrage, you wouldn't have felt need to reply in the manner you did. A passive aggressive Ad Hominem is still Ad Hominem.
David Brown
Nope. I responded in the way I did to demonstrate just how mistaken that poster was. It is not passive aggressive ad hominem to destroy someones argument.
Syngenta developed 'golden rice' and the way these guys defend their 'intellectual property' I'm willing to bet they have something to do with the 'golden banana'. Even if they give this away out of the goodness of their corporate hearts, It's likely a loss-leader to set up to gain acceptance for GM foods.
Indeed. After all, Gates isn't just giving away money from the goodness of his heart. He owns stock in Monsanto. He stands to gain quite significantly if the GMO flood-gates are opened.
David Brown
Syngenta improved upon the original golden rice. "Syngenta also arranged royalty-free access to the patents and intellectual property, held by several biotechnology companies, for a number of key technologies used in Golden Rice. This allows IRRI and others to develop Golden Rice on a non-for-profit basis."
And yes, of course, companies are contributing to golden rice as a good PR move.
But you would lose the bet on the golden banana. Not only is your claim factually inaccurate, but bananas are grown thrown vegetative propagation (cuttings), so a company can't make money through selling banana seeds. For that reason, biotech companies have no interest in the banana.
Im sorry, the suggestion that I had not read the article felt a little ad hominem to me, so I responded in kind. If you go to the Queensland University of Technology website, you'll find that The Syngenta Centre for Sugarcane Biofuels Development, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are co-located at The Centre for Tropical Crops and Bio-commodities.
David Brown
So what is your implication? Both are conducting research in collaboration with scientists at QUT. So..? You do realize that researchers at universities work on a number of projects with a number of different funding sources. I'm looking for evidence that Syngenta in some way holds IP on the Golden Banana.
The point for them may be to intentionally divorce themselves from this product (which you said yourself has no commercial value to them) and not to hold the IP. The biotech industry has a bad reputation, and having their name on any product increases public resistance significantly. Enter the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation and instant credibility, followed by greater public acceptance of GM foods.
David Brown
This project was funded by the Gates Foundation from the beginning. This initiated with one of their Global challenge grants. I can find no evidence whatsoever that Syngenta was ever involved. And I would have to wonder why they would be involved given that they have no expertise with the banana. There are only a handful of high quality biotechnology research centers working on tropical crops globally, so it really isn't surprising that both Gates and Syngenta would both collaborate with QUT. I see 9 different funding agencies for that center. Are they all part of a secret collaboration?
It's not so secret, they have worked together before.
David Brown
Of course the Gates Foundation has worked with Syngenta. Gates is funding the development of golden rice, and Syngenta gave the project royalty-free use of their intellectual property. Gates has also be negotiating with the biotech companies to forego royalties on their commercial GM crops for Africa. You still haven't shown how Syngenta is involved in the Golden Banana. But it seems clear at this point that you are going to believe in some sort of grand conspiracy regardless of what I say. Having worked in Uganda for years, I think the Golden Banana could be a substantial tool to address Vitamin A deficiencies in that country. You just see some sort of corporate takeover of the world. To each their own.
Perhaps you should read the article.
Poor people do not have the luxury to just go buy whatever imported vegetables and fruits they want. They are limited to what they get locally.
The answer is to use GMO technology to improve the quality of the food they already get. There is no reason to fear GMO, and doing so is just as foolish as fearing vaccinations and trails of water vapor left behind planes in the sky.
How is this going to help when if they eat these super bananas they will get cancer due to the fact that genetically engineered foods cause cancer ??
Idiots like you really do hold back humanity…
How am I an idiot for knowing that genetically engineered foods cause cancer due to a french study by scientist that proves it ?
The only idiot here is u!
Just because ur a dumb animal who likes poisen doesn't mean the rest of the world should!
Continue eating GMO's u dumb animal!
because the seralini study is flawed. For example it uses a strain of rat that gets cancer all the time even if kept away from anything that is known to cause cancer.
that same strain of rat is commonly used by scientists yes but since it tends to get cancer anyway no matter what you do to it, real scientists tend not to use it the way seralini did. He used it for cancer testing and he kept the mice around for a long time which causes the cancers to show up
Stfu u pussy
There's nothing flawed about feeding rats GMO's for a period of time and watching them grow tumors and devoloping cancer!
The FDA doesn't have long term studies of human consumption of GMO's an yet they want to feed the public with it! Get the phuk outta here!
I'll continue eating organic and u continue eating GMO's u dumb animal
\There's nothing flawed about feeding rats GMO's for a period of time and watching them grow tumors and devoloping cancer!\
yes there is. if you want to test for cancer causing potential you dont use a strain that has a 70% -95% chance of getting cancer anyway since the normal cancer rate is going to overwhelm any increase in cancer rate caused by your intervention
\Neoplastic lesions were observed in untreated aged Sprague Dawley (SD)
rats throughout their lifespan starting at 5 weeks. Their mean survival
times were 89 to 105 weeks of age. The total tumor incidences were 70 to
76.7% and 87 to 95.8% in males and females, respectively.\
\The FDA doesn't have long term studies of human consumption of GMO's an yet they want to feed the public with it!\
how about this
\One of the complaints I hear most is "there are no GM food studies done by independents, it's all company sponsored". The other one I hear a lot is "there are no long term studies".
Both of these claims are total BS. Here's what I found after less than 30 minutes of diligent googling. \
– See more at: http://www.skepticink.com/smilodonsretreat/2012/10/24/a-survey-of-long-term-gm-food-studies/#sthash.yTrixN98.dpuf
\ If GM corn causes cancer, why aren't Americans "dropping like flies," as one scientist asked? We've been eating Monsanto's Roundup Ready® corn for over a decade,
even if most of us aren't aware of it. But our rates of cancer haven't
increased more than Europeans, who eat far less GM corn. \
\From 1999 to 2009 (ten years), the use of Bt corn nearly tripled. HT corn went up nearly 10 times. HT soybeans almost doubled, but it's been at high rates for a long time.
our hypothesis is correct, then cancer rates should, almost at a
minimum, double. But they don't increase at all. Indeed, cancer rates
in almost all races and genders decrease (even if only slightly) – See
more at:
http://www.skepticink.com/smilodonsretreat/2013/03/28/gmo-do-not-correlate-with-cancer-rates/#sthash.8bQLB3MW.dpuf- If our hypothesis is correct, then cancer rates should, almost at a minimum, double. But they don't increase at all. Indeed, cancer rates in almost all races and genders decrease (even if only slightly)\
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Flagged troll.
Adam Armstrong
Citation needed.
David Brown
No evidence that genetically engineered foods cause cancer.
Actually there is! Google french scientist do study on animals on GMO foods, and you'll find that GMO's caused tumors on rats that were fed GMO's!
Just do the research and stop being a dumb animal
David Brown
Hard to believe anyone still cites the Seralini "study". This was a junk study, very poorly designed and interpreted study, and was subsequently withdrawn by the journal. Completely and totally debunked.
You wish that study was debunked! The same way they add mercury to the vaccines they also add cancer viruses to them too!
Which by the way was even on the huffpost!
Poor u! But hey people like u like cancer gmo's and polio!
citation please for your wild ass claims
\ Some U.S. polio vaccines administered from 1955-1962 were accidentally
contaminated with SV40 because the vaccines were grown in monkey kidney
This study did not find that their exposure to this vaccine was related to an increased risk of cancer." Although
SV40 causes cancer in laboratory animals, substantial epidemiological
evidence has accumulated to indicate that SV40 likely does not cause
cancer in humans.\
take note: ACCIDENTALLY. and it stopped in 1962
U left out a bunch of facts but nice try though! Lol
don't u get it man the public is starting to wake up an smell the coffee!
All the vaccines today have either cancer viruses or mercury in them while monsanto creates genetically engineered foods (that there own employees won't even eat) to feed the general public with!
An people just about had it that's why there is so much more of a demand for organic foods now!
So if u wanna go take those shots an die be my guest but u can believe people are starting to opt out!
\All the vaccines today have either cancer viruses or mercury in them\
scientific proof please
\while monsanto creates genetically engineered foods (that there own employees won't even eat\
\The fact is, it wasn't true in 1999, and it's not true today.
All foods can be found in Monsanto cafeterias – conventional and
organic. None of it is singled out as conventional or organic. It's just
food served in our cafeterias, the same food that everyone else eats.
In fact, the only time any food was removed from Monsanto cafeterias was
a few years back, when a produce company announced a voluntary recall
of spinach because of possible E. coli contamination. We remember it
because spinach leaves suddenly disappeared from our salad bars.\
oh and please follow hufifngton post's advice since you seem to believe in its credibility
\They say that the MMR vaccine causes autism. It doesn't
They say that thimerosal in vaccines causes autism.
It doesn't, and it hasn't been in most vaccines since 2001 anyway.
The truth is that vaccines are one of our greatest public health achievements, and one of the most important things you can do to protect your child.\
Damn ur duuumb!
Just kuz I said it was on HP doesn't mean HP is a site that's based on truth because it's not!
I agree to a degree that vaccines can be great but due to the fact that autism and cancer is up u can only blame the vaccines because now a days people are over vaccinated like u!
That's why they end up with autism!
They also put cancer viruses and mercury in vaccines while saying mercury is good for the brain when that is a complete lie, but I bet u believe mercury is good for the brain just like drinking flouride water!
If u wanna take those deadly vaccines that have the disease in them be my guest! I'll be opting out like the 50% of americans every year!
autism rates in the usa increases year by year including the year 2014
and yet there is a measles epidemic in the usa due to falling vaccination rates but before that vaccination rates were high and stable. how come autism rates are not dropping along with measles vaccination rates?
\while saying mercury is good for the brain\
citation please
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
You fit in well with the flat earth society, truthers, area 51 conspiracy, fukushima conspiracy, birthers, fluoride conspiracy,climate deniers, ignorant all.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Seralini withdrew his study in disgrace.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
No evidence that GM foods cause cancer, even after eating them in the US for 20 years, billions of meals served! You are a ignorant hate troll, flagged.
Bill gates is trash bro he kills people though vaccines and genetically engineered foods that cause cancer
The Gates gang regularly snatch people from their homes, and forcibly vaccinate them. Now they wont ever get to experience polio! The horror!
Actually the pollio vaccine is what caused the polio break out in india!
So just because ur a dumb animal bathing in ignorance doesn't mean ur right!
Just look it up!
polio has been around for thousands of years well before vaccines were invented. yes a few cases of polio caused by the vaccine exist but its worth it since hundreds of thousands to millions of "natural" polio cases were prevented
an analogy. electrical lights causes many many fires in the developing world but we still like it because its predecessors – candles and kerosine lamps in my country – cause more fires
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Total horseshit from a hate troll.
Hey, these guys should just burn these green abominations. This is not food and Mr Gates is up to no good. Shame. The Africans don't need this crap.
David Brown
Actually, African's do need this crap. But I'm guessing you have never been to African and don't have the faintest idea what Africans do or don't need. Much easier to just stick with the standard ideology rather than consider implications for others.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
The lack of compassion for human suffering knows no bounds.
Valerie Leeds
Does it triple your IQ?
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No but the malnourished will have a better chance of retaining their IQ when they have access to beta carotene.
Ivor O'Connor
Bill Gates should stay at home and spend his time fixing our political and educational systems.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
He has chosen the venue where he can save the most lives and stop the greatest amount of suffering. First world problems can wait their turn.
Ivor O'Connor
May sound rude but I believe in only helping the people next to me.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
A rising tide lifts all boats.
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Instead of shilling for GMOs, if you really cared about humanity you all would be advocating the spread of moringa oleifera, which interestingly enough has 3-5 times beta carotene by weight than either carrots or genetically mutated bananas. It also grows like a weed. So, since you all care so much about malnutrition in the developing world, please henceforth disclaim advocacy for spreading carrots and bananas and start advocating for the spread of moringa.
oh so you're so closed minded that you cannot imagine that its possible for people to support GMO without monetary compensation huh? also its shows how you are able to believe in something (people are shills) with no credible evidence (juse because they disagree with you)
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
The finest science minds on Earth came up with golden rice as a solution for the poorest regions where only rice is grown. Moringa will not grow where the worst maluntrition and blindness is being seen. It could be given to some areas as a solution but it is highly arrogant of you to believe you know more about what is needed than the international community. Only on the internet do we see such ignorance.
mori bund
Genetically engineered super-fruits fed to millions of people.
And I always wondered how the zombie apocalypse will start…
Cam Gordon
I dont disagree with GMO however I think they are being implemented in a very wrong way. First, i think there needs to be A LOT more control of how and where they are grown. I also think there needs to be more control on our food supply (GMO and non-GMO). I dont think we need to be feeding our cattle GMO corn because it is cost effective. That is wrong on many levels, cows dont even eat corn ffs..I dont think we need plants resistant to round up.. for what? to make it more efficient? that is not helping us as the people, that is helping the CEO's make more money. Most of the world is not starving and the population is concentrated in to specific places so why are we eating this shit here in the Americas??
I do agree with things like super bananas and golden rice. I think GMO should be used for making plants tolerant to different conditions, so they can be grown in foreign places so the people can grow their own food. But this alone raises questions. What is to stop those in power from using this tech as a eugenics weapon? they could create strains that harm certain types of people or only release bad strains in populated areas for population control. its certainly food for thought!
\ What is to stop those in power from using this tech as a eugenics
weapon? they could create strains that harm certain types of people or
only release bad strains in populated areas for population control. its
certainly food for thought!\
Testing. testing has caught many products that were defective. many drugs were withdrawn once it was proven that they had bad side effects
Cam Gordon
eugenics is not accidental it is by design. thats why it is called eugenics
true. so is genocide. any widespread deaths either caused by conventional means like bombs and bullets or by nerve gas or by germ warfare or by GM organisms will be noted and dealt with.
Cam Gordon
I am not saying they should be banned. I am saying they should be more restricted with bigger controls. and labeling labeling labeling. If it is labelled then by all means please proceed. That way we have a choice. I dont like the fact that I have to spend a stupid amount of time and concentration on looking up all my groceries just to make sure it doesnt have GMO products. People have been fighting all over the world for simple labeling and the food companies keep lobbying to prevent this. like really? you cant put a little slip on the button with the ingredients saying it may or may not have GMO in it? are we really so barbaric and de-civilized that we cannot put where it comes from on a fucking label? that is the corruption of capitalism in its PUREST form. think about it before promoting this stuff. promote it all you want, but you should at least agree with the fact that it should be labelled so that we have a CHOICE on if we want to choose it or not. I feel like I am being force fed the stuff because it is everywhere with no way to distinguish it.
there are many many technologies that have dual use both for peaceful
and for non peaceful use. What's to stop metalworking machines to be
used to make guns? But we dont exactly ban them
Morgellons Disease
Vidya Wasi
While it feels warm and fuzzy helping people I can't help it think people are missing the point.
The more important question is _should_ we save the people who can't survive on their own?
We are already overcrowded. The planet can't handle more humans.
Both ecosystem damaged. Other animals are going extinct because we kill and take their territories.
Only a matter of time until we turn the gun on ourselves and start more infighting nonsense for land and resources.
We must look at the cold hard facts.
Experiments have shown that city folks already ignore people on the street who look dead or are dying. This is what happens to a human mind when the group gets too large. Sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies emerge. Unhealthy behavior.
Genetically Engineered Rice – What Every Consumer Should Know
PAN AP 8,083 views Apr 19, 2012A short easy-to-understand animation video to raise public awareness on what GE Rice is and the serious risks attached to it. Produced in 2008 by Pesticide Action Network Asia and the Pacific (PAN AP) and National Poison Centre (Universiti Sains Malaysia)
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All readers note – this notorious hate troll – one of several identities for Ted Miner (who just closed his facebook page after I confronted him) will stop at nothing, accept no accurate citations, and post nothing but extreme GMO hate site references. Flag it now.
Here is one source for accurate info on golden rice:
Pope Frances blessed golden rice in November of last year.
Another source for unbiased data regerding golden rice:
Youtube offers only hate propaganda for the anti-GMO conspiracy group.
The Gates foundation is a life saver.
Genetically engineered foods cause cancer, Please people of africa don't eat this! Please
reliable scientific evidence for your claim please
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Flagged for uncivil intent.
U wish!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Nope, I didn't wish, I clicked the actual flag button once for each of your hate posts. It's up to the moderator now.
Lol so now telling the truth is hate speech ? Lol your such a loser!
So while u eat ur cancr GMO's that damages ur lier I'll e eating organic like majority of america!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Enjoy your impressively huge 3% majority, sicko.
Genetically engineered foods cause cancer
reliable scientific evidence for your claim pleasez
[citation needed]
Because I'm right huh! The truth hurts huh ?
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Right about what? You personal paranoia? Only a link to an unbiased source can back up your wildly insane claim. It will be hard to do since we have been eating GMOs for 20 years in the US, billions of meals with no association of GMOs to cancer.
Provide a citation or your comment is only a monument of shame to your ignorance.
It's not personal paranoia when it's on mainstream media that GMO's cause cancer and damage the liver let alone all the studies done on rats by french scientist that show rats growing tumors from eating GMO's,
There's also plenty of studies u can research that proves GMO's are bad!
Also the FDA hasn't done any long term studies that show GMO's to be safe so how the hell would u know if there safe or not ??…
It's obviously not safe so if u wanna be a dumb GMO animal eater be my guess! I'll be eating organic!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Something that does not exist can not be on mainstream media. For the third time in this thread, you have failed to provide any citation link to back up your absurd fantasies. Flagged again.
The FDA ruled GMOs are safe and has, as we all have, 20 years of seeing GMOs being eaten in the US – billions of meals served – with no negative issues whatsoever. How many billions of meals must be eaten before your pea brain is convinced? 20 billion? 40 billion?
I would eat nothing but organic if I could afford it but not on my small pension. GMOS are the only way to feed the overpopulated masses of humanity. Get used to it.
U wish it didn't exist, Monsanto was bascially fight with the american public about labeling GMO foods in california! And there's plenty of links online but it's obvious that u haven't done the research or u actually do know that GMO's cause cancer and tumors but want to kill the american people by feeding it to them while lying to them saying that it's healthy when it's not!
Monsanto's own workers don't even eat there GMO"s what's that tell ur dumb@ss ?
Here's the link dummy!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
I see you are one of those masturbatory trolls that upvotes itself.
Here is your kryptonite: http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2012/11/19/anti-gm-corn-study-reconsidered-seralini-finally-responds-to-torrent-of-criticism/
You are flagged for uncivil conduct.
Sounds like ur mad at the facts that GMO's cause cancer!
In which all or most studies show! That's why the american people want there foods labeled! So the only troll here is u because ur obviously with the establishment that pushes GMO's on people while not eating GMO's themselves! Such hypocrites,
Monsanto employees don't even eat the GMO's what's that tell ur dumb@ss ?
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
I can't be mad at something that does not exist. GMOs are harmless. I CAN be mad at hate trolls and you are flagged again, plus I'm writing to this website manager about you. Good luck.
Ur obviously delusional and living in denial because the facts are out there that GMO's cause cancer and is barely FDA approved!
Like I said me and the rest of america will continue eating organic and u n ur kind can eat ur GMO's that cause cancer!
It's not an accident that Monsanto employees don't eat GMO's but u wanna eat GMO's which shows how dumb and 5tupid u really r!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
So, how often must you shave your palms due to self upvote pleasuring?
I see u wanna change the subject because u have no facts on ur side do to the fact ur a liar and a troll! How about u continue eating gmo's while the rest of the sain americans eat organic!
Because I'll tell u right now,
There is a much higher demand for organic foods than there is GMO foods!
That's not an accident!
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"USDA does not have official statistics on U.S. organic retail sales, but information is available from industry sources. U.S. sales of organic products were an estimated $28.4 billion in 2012—over 4 percent of total food sales—and will reach an estimated $35 billion in 2014, according to the Nutrition Business Journal."
Your "much higher" demand for organics is 4.3% of US food consumption. It is growing and next year it could hit close to 5%.
That's NOT an accident, it's a fact! 94% of us do not eat organics.
Actually ur completely wrong about the 94% of us not eating organic it's more like 94% of us americans do and want to eat organic the problem is with the labeling because if people had a choice to choose from eating organic or GMO's they will choose organic every time!
There was a poll on this already and people overwhellmingly chose organic foods rather than that of GMO's!
Just a fact!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Nope, your 'fact' can't explain how voters rejected the labeling initiative in Washington and California. Less than 50% of them want it. If you know more than the Nutrition Business Journal cited above you should set them straight, otherwise I will ignore an internet troll and believe them when they give the 4% number for organic consumption.
Dude there was obvious election fraud the same way there was election fraud when Ron Paul was the real front runner in the republican party while running for president in 2012!
In all the alternative media polls Ron Paul was ahead of obama and Romney and Ron Paul lost even in some states were he was the favorite!
Places like cali and washington are bought and paid for by these corrupted corporation establishment people that control our gov't today and has been for the past decade or century depending on how far u wanna go back!
What person with a brain, would wanna eat GMO's when they cause cancer and tumors and all types of defects when they can eat organic foods that don't cause cancer ??
I showed u the links proving GMO's cause cancer so just because ur in denial about the fact doesn't mean the rest of america should be too!
The organic industry is way bigger and more profitable than GMO's!
Dude ur acting like a lil 6itch right now because ur mad that most americans want to eat organic rather than eating ur disgusting poisned GMO's that cause cancer and tumors and messes up ur digestive system!
U want me to be banned from commenting because I'm telling the truth ? I see! If it was up to u I wouldn't have a 4th amendment and wouldn't be able to speak huh ?
That's why we americans have something called the constitution that garentees my rights! So good luck trying to take em u lil 6itch kuz u will fail in the process like ur ancestors king george an them!
Just because ur a dumb person who likes poisen doesn't mean the rest of america should u dumb loser 6itch@ss
GMO's cause cancer, tumors and messes up ur digestive system organic foods don't! Those r the facts bum!
Pointing out facts isn't trolling!, 4 the record!
berian k
Sounds like ur just mad that there's studiies proving how GMO's cause cancer and tumors just google GMO's cause cancer and you'll find a bunch of studies proving so!
The truth hurts huh u cancer pushers
berian k
I hope u know that GMO's cause cancer!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
MODERATOR -THIS IS THE SAME HATE TROLL YOU JUST DELETED. New identity, same IP address.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
I am now flagging the new ID for the zigzag hate troll that was twice deleted above by moderators.
berian k
That's because ur a pussc in denial about genetically engineered foods causing cancer because u want to kill black people in africa by feeding them GMO's that cause cancer!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
The word is "subsist" not "subside"…notwithstanding the idiocy of the people that advocate that WE eat this GMO shit–Microsoft provides their employees an organic diet in the employee cafeteria, don't you know…..)–and the criminal fraud perpetrated by the powers-that-be in allowing the takeover by these corporate conglomerates in bed with the politicians and oligarchs that control/own them….who writes this shit, anyway?? Christ almighty! Can nobody use the English language correctly any more??
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
They are doing a heck of a lot better than you!
They already did this with Golden Rice, but the Greens went nuts and killed it. Not because they don't care about people, but because Greens actively despise human beings. Human misery and death are a feature for Greens, not a bug.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Nothing has been killed except the additional lost lives of malnourished poor folks, and the eyesight of additional children, after the Greenpeace nimrods vandalized and burned test fields. This despicable act only delayed the deployment of golden rice for a while. The Gates Foundation is launching 8 GMO superfoods so get used to the idea, there is no stopping it.
berian k
Tell that to all the dead rats and kids growing hair in there mouths from eating GMO's that studies show to cause cancer and tumors!
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berian k
Actually it's u an GMO's that are affected that's why people are pushing back against Monsanto because they want organic foods that don't cause cancer and tumors like GMO's do!
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Gareth David
Yay, more suffering coming soon to a developing country near you! Now rather than nature taking it's course, first world countries can now give starving populations just enough to stay alive and continue suffering! Yay for progress!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Whatever we give them is a better option than the current one of starvation and blindness through vitamin deficiency.
The Gates Foundation is developing 8 gmo plants and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. Wishing continued blindness and stunted growth upon the poor is sadistic.
berian k
How is giving them GMO that causes cancer and tumors better than letting them starve ?
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Technology should definitely be used for good cause, I learned a lot on poverty by interning at the Borgen Project. We can all make difference.
berian k
This article is such a lie because according to many studies by universaties GMO's cause cancer and tumors and messes up your digestive system!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
berian k
U sound bitter because GMO's cause cancer and tumaors and messes up ur digestive system! That's why ur such a koward!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
berian k
Y is it that Monsanto employees don't eat the GMO's from Monsanto itself ? I know it's because GMO's are not healthy!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
berian k
Your just mad because I'm exposing u for the fraud that u r!
Be honest ur just mad that every one knows GMO's cause cancer and tumors that's why Monsanto empoyees don't even eat there because GMO's cause cancer just google it an you'll see a bunch of studies proving it!
So in reality ur the hate troll loser!
http://bebrainfit.com/ Deane Alban
Carrots, sweet potatoes, green leafy vegs, peppers, melons, and apricots all make the top 10 vitamin A foods. Isn't is possible that at least some of these crops could be grown in Africa? Wouldn't that be easier, safer, and make more sense than genetically altering a food that doesn't naturally contain vitamin A?
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Specific needs are being met by the Gates Foundation that is developing 8 new GMO plants suitable for addressing the nutrient shortages in various regions. They certainly would not spend millions on plants not needed.
http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR
They certainly would not, dumb dumb.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
I don't get it. Are you agreeing with me while also namecalling?
Or are you just stoned?
http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR
I agree with most people that you are a dumb child.
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
http://www.lemonparty.org/ IJR
If you were trapped on a desert island and could only bring one book, wouldn't we all be better off?
berian k
Why would Bill Gates create genetically engineered foods that cause cancer in which all the main stream studies prove, ? Because it's obvious Bill Gates is racist and wants to infect black people in africa with cancer viruses that GMO's cause that's well known and proven in all the studies!
Bill gates is racist against blacks in africa and this is the proof!
http://OrganicTransit.com/ Jim Gordon
Bill you are better off sticking to the toilet seats and you better stop playing at CREATOR. Leave those bananas, the papayas, the cassava and RICE, alone. These are horrible fails as the beta carotene produced in the "Golden Rice" was a form highly toxic to children and pregnant women and bore absolutely no improvement nutritionally . Bill is about POPULATION CONTROL and that is the bottom line. Why is he funding Monsanto, the most highly vilified corporation in the world, maker of toxins for over 100 years they are now seeking control of the food supply.
Thankfully, they will never succeed even though they have covertly operated and tried to hide facts about it's PRODUCTS. High use of chemicals (surprise! Monsanto makes these too!) and irrigation methods that do not exist in these parts of the world make GMO technology a bad choice. Organic, regenerative methods are by far the most efficient at growing foods. Many problems with plant diseases are easily solved by experts without the use of gmo, Monsanto uses Bill's money to make sure people think this is not the case. The world does not need Monsanto's gmo technology, however, Monsanto does need to sell its wares. The world is not buying the propaganda and Bill Gates should retreat before he embarrasses himself further. He would do best to go WOOF on an organic farm and learn a thing or two from the real experts.


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By Linda D. KozarynAmerican Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, April 28, 2000, April 28, 2000 Robert L. Stein II knows the kind of effort that's going to be required to study, and ultimately, combat domestic violence in the military.
A veteran of the military's campaigns against drugs, alcohol and child abuse, Stein says he's looking forward to this new challenge.
Stein is the executive director of DoD's newly formed Defense Task Force on Domestic Violence. Under the direction of the assistant defense secretary for Force Management and Personnel, Stein, a member of the senior executive service, and a staff of 12 military and DoD civilians will help chart a course for the 24-member, Congressionally-mandated panel.
"DoD has made a substantial commitment to address domestic violence over the past few years," Stein said. "However, like civilian communities, DoD can continue to improve its response to domestic violence. Our goal is to help this task force provide the secretary of defense and Congress with recommendations that will be useful to make the military's family advocacy program better than it is today."
In March, in accordance with the fiscal 2000 Defense Authorization Act, Defense Secretary William S. Cohen appointed 12 military and 12 civilians to make up the Defense Task Force on Domestic Violence.
Military appointees include staff judge advocates from each service and executive level officers selected by the services. Cohen appointed Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Jack W. Klimp as co-chair. Klimp currently serves as the Marine Corps deputy chief of staff for Manpower and Reserve Affairs.
Civilian appointees include people from the Health and Human Services' Family Violence Prevention and Services office, state and national sexual assault and domestic violence advocacy groups, law enforcement and state and national judicial policy organization officials. Civilian members chose Deborah Tucker as co-chair. Tucker is the executive director of the National Training Center on Domestic and Sexual Violence in Austin, Texas.
Half the panel members are experts in family violence and the remaining members are senior military leaders, Stein said. "The civilians come from shelters and other programs that work on a day-to-day basis with violence against women," he said. "They're experts in the field."
Military members include commanding generals from Fort Carson, Colo., and the Marine Corps base at Quantico, and the sergeant major of the Marine Corps. The military members may lack the subject matter expertise, Stein noted, "but they're leaders and they know how to get the job done in the military."
"There are going to be some pot holes in the road as we move down the trail," Stein said, "but I can't question the dedication of any of the people involved. I couldn't be more pleased. If I could have interviewed these folks for two days before they were selected for the task force, I couldn't have selected any better."
Over the next three years, the panel will work to determine ways DoD can address domestic violence more effectively. Overall, Stein said, the task force will give the secretary a fresh look at DoD's family advocacy.
"We'll be looking at the entire program," he said. We'll be trying to take a snapshot of what exists. We'll look at what resources are put against family advocacy. Are there ways in which the resources can be realigned? Are we making the best use of the resources? Maybe we can do a lot of things better just by making some program shifts."
The task force held its first meeting April 25 and 26 in Fredericksburg, Va. After reviewing the authorization act's requirements and setting up a framework, Stein said, the task force formed work groups on victim safety, offender accountability, education and training, community collaboration and special interest items.
"One of the training and education work group's first priorities is going to be looking at command education on domestic violence," Stein said. "We'll be looking at command climate.
"We're going to look at what kinds of information we give first sergeants and sergeant majors. We're going to look at the whole educational process throughout military training from the time someone comes in until the time they leave."
Gathering information is the task forces' first step, Stein said. Later, members will visit military installations to meet with family advocacy officials. They'll also meet with the other professional disciplines that deal with family advocacy issues -- chaplains, law enforcement, medical personnel and others.
They will also visit shelters and other facilities in local civilian communities, which may support service members and their families. The panel's overall goal is to link the military and civilian communities to improve, strengthen or coordinate prevention and response efforts to domestic violence involving service members.
Hopefully, Stein said, the task force will provide a model that can be transferred to the civilian community, Stein added, "or if not, at least it will provide a lot of overlap in those military and civilian communities where we're co-located."
Task force members will serve for three years and receive no compensation beyond their regular salary, only travel expenses and per diem when required to travel in connection with task force duties.
The panel will present a strategic plan to the defense secretary by February 2001, Stein said. The plan will include recommendations to improve on-going victim safety programs, offender accountability, coordination between military organizations and civilian communities, training for military commanders, data collection, case management and tracking.
The act requires the task force to submit an annual report to the defense secretary detailing its activities, achievements and successful and unsuccessful programs. The report will include the panel's analysis and oversight of the services' response to domestic violence and any barriers to implementing and improving those efforts. It will describe pending, completed and recommended DoD domestic violence research.
Each subsequent report will also include a detailed discussion of recent achievements, pending research on the subject and recommendations to improve the Armed Forces responses to the problem. The defense secretary will then have 90 days to submit the annual report and his evaluation to the Senate and House of Representatives Committees on Armed Services.


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-The richest eight per cent of the world's population earns half of the world's total income, while the remaining 92 per cent of people are left with the other half, said head of United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) Helen Clark at the launch of the organization's new report: Humanity Divided: Confronting Inequality in Divided Countries.
The report emphasizes the need for a shift towards more inclusive growth in order to help the poor and low-income households out of poverty in a faster pace than average. This requires both redistributive policies and changes in social norms. Reducing inequality in a sustainable way is key in the post-2015 agenda.
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Bus Chick, Transit Authority
Carla Saulter has been living without a car—and using public transit as her primary form of transportation—since March of 2003. Though she gave up driving because of concerns about the detrimental effects of car culture (pollution, traffic, sprawl), the decision has profoundly and positively changed her life. Some of these positive changes include: enforced exercise, time to read, reduced expenses, and contact with her community on a level that would never have been possible in the isolated bubble of a single-occupancy vehicle.
Monthly Archive for March, 2008
How to make a bus chick angry, part II
I encountered this particular parking foul on MLK, somewhere between Judkins and Jackson: [Read More]
Just in time for spring…
One of the most common reasons Seattle people give for not getting rid of their cars is that they need to drive to get out of the city*. It's one thing to give up driving to and from work and for the odd errand, but it's hard for Northwesterners to imagine a life without hiking, camping, skiing**, snowshoeing, or just getting closer to some of the beautiful scenery that surrounds us. Fellow transit types, I have good news. I have just been introduced to my new favorite Web site (OK, so it's not my all-time favorite, but I'm prone to hyperbole), Hike Metro. As the name implies, it provides a comprehensive guide to hikes in Western Washington that you can reach by bus. [Read More]
Busing with baby, part III
The first 20 weeks of busing with Chicklet have worked out pretty well. I love traveling around the city with her, especially now that she's alert enough to take in her surroundings and enjoy the ride. Of course, we've had our share of challenges. One of the biggest is getting ourselves ready to leave the house. This is partly because timing–Chicklet's needs with Metro's schedules–is an issue, and partly because we always get held up figuring out what to wear. Check it: [Read More]
Waiting time (or, Timing the wait)
When it comes to waiting for the bus, I'm more than a little bit anal. I like to get to the stop early, have my pass ready (on "pay as you enter" rides, that is), my book out, and be standing right next to the sign by the time the bus arrives. (Yeah, yeah–just call me the driver's pet.) [Read More]
Upcoming events for transit types
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A majority opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court this week frustrated the State of Florida (as well as the Federal government and 26 other States) by ruling that police who bring a sniff dog onto a homeowner's property and turn up evidence related to the dog's signaling are conducting a "search" as defined by the 4th Amendment.
That means cops can't suspect you of growing marijuana in a house, turn up casually at your front door with a dog — you know, just to ask a few questions — and thereafter develop probable cause to search the house, as the dog sniffs around at the front door and begins indicating there's something illegal inside.
That's exactly what happened to one homeowner in the Miami area in 2006, when police acting on an unverified tip visited the home of Joelis Jardines, with Drug Enforcement Administration agents waiting in the wings. They didn't have a warrant, and the tip alone wasn't sufficient probable cause to obtain a search warrant. The cops let the dog sniff at the front door. The dog signaled that narcotics were somewhere nearby. And the cops then applied for and received a search warrant.
The police had initiated no contact with Jardines during this episode. That contact came only when they returned to the house with the search warrant, found the marijuana being grown inside and arrested Jardines.
The Florida Supreme Court had already sided with Jardines after he appealed a lower court's ruling that dog searches aren't covered under the 4th Amendment. Realizing the broad implications the decision could have to limit search powers, the State then appealed the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.
And lost.
It's worth culling the high points from Justice Antonin Scalia's majority opinion:
Since the officers' investigation took place in a constitutionally protected area, we turn to the question of whether it was accomplished through an unlicensed physical intrusion…
…As it is undisputed that the detectives had all four of their feet firmly planted on the constitutionally protected extension of Jardines' home, the only question is whether he had given his leave (even implicitly) for them to do so. He had not.
…We have accordingly recognized that "the knocker on the front door is treated as an invitation or license to attempt an entry, justifying ingress to the home by solicitors, hawkers and peddlers of all kinds." This implicit license typically permits the visitor to approach the home by the front path, knock promptly, wait briefly to be received, and then (absent invitation to linger longer) leave.
Complying with the terms of that traditional invitation does not require fine-grained legal knowledge; it is generally managed without incident by the Nation's Girl Scouts and trick-or-treaters. Thus, a police officer not armed with a warrant may approach a home and knock, precisely because that is "no more than any private citizen might do."
But introducing a trained police dog to explore the area around the home in hopes of discovering incriminating evidence is something else. There is no customary invitation to do that. An invitation to engage in canine forensic investigation assuredly does not inhere in the very act of hanging a knocker. To find a visitor knocking on the door is routine (even if sometimes unwelcome); to spot that same visitor exploring the front path with a metal detector, or marching his bloodhound into the garden before saying hello and asking permission, would inspire most of us to — well, call the police.
Well said.
Two disappointments, though, about Tuesday's decision:
- It was close. The majority decision came after a 5-4 vote.
- Tuesday's victory for 4th-Amendment freedom stands in contrast to a misstep the court made in January, when it held that police dogs' training and certification is itself sufficient grounds for courts to admit evidence based on the accuracy of their signaling. That decision came in spite of evidence that "real-world data demonstrate that even trained or certified dogs have a high rate of false alerts" and can take their signaling cues from handlers or from other stimuli in their environments.


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- Address: 5200 NE Sacramento St.. Portland, 97213
- Contact Name: David Farrell Phone: (503)284-6617
- Website: http://cabezonrestaurant.com/
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- Additional Information: Opened in December 2009, Cabezon is located near both Portland's Hollywood and Rose City Park neighborhoods. Offering "Coastal Cuisine with Passion" – elemental seasonal cooking driven by the offerings of the day from local producers and the bounty of the Pacific Northwest.


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- Bryllup og bryllupsreise
- Golf
- Leie bil
- Medicinsk turisme
- Meditasjon
- Oppdag kulturen
- Økoturisme
- Seiling og cruise
- Shopping
- Spa og velvære
- Utdanningsaktiviteter
- Utendørs- og opplevelsesaktiviteter – i luften
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Day trip Phuket-Krabi
Tour Overview :
New Destination Day trip of Phuket, Start from Phuket to Phang-Nga and Krabi. In one day: Visit Golden Cave Temple, Kayaking at Talen Canyon Krabi and Visit World Class 4 Islands (Chicken Island, Porda Island, Tub Island and Talewak or Separated Sea.
Highlight :
Visit the Historical Golden Cave Temple with Giant Golden Monk as well as funny with the Forest Monkeys.
Sea Kayaking to discover Talen Grand Canyon named is the best place for sea canoe paddling in Southern
Snorkeling at 4 Islands, see the shock beautiful of Separated sea (Talewak) at one moment in Time. In the same way, Porda Island, Tub Island and Chicken island is around with a millions of fishes and Coral Reee. Real Paradise of Snorkeling Lovers.
Departure Date :
Daily: Pick Up from Every hotel in Phuket Islnad
Tour Inclusion :
Pick Up and Drop off from Every hotel in Phuket
Soft Drinks, Snacks, Fruits, Lunch and Dinner
All equipment for Kayaking as well as Paddle Guide.
Snorkeling Gears.
Terms and Conditions :
This price can be used until the end of April, 2011 only
Day by Day Itinerary :
Date 1 : 07:00 AM - 17:30 PM
07:30 AM: Pick Up from your hotel
08:30 AM: Golden Cave Temple
10:00 AM: Canoeing at Talen Grand Canyon
12:30 PM Lunch at "On the water Restaurant"
13:30 PM Snorkeling at 4 Islands (Porda Island, Chicken Island and Tub Island) and visiting Separated Sea (Talewak)
17:30 PM: Back to Phuket
Stop for Diner on the way Back to Phuket.


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2008 Suzuki Boulevard C50T
Nothing has gone wrong.
General Comments:
Beautiful bike, there is no doubt. It's a real head turner! Mine is red and white with the full complements of the C50T model accessories.
I bought it used off Craigslist and it was only 4 months old. Previous owner added many goodies that I would have added myself (i.e. light bar, passenger floorboards, cruise lock, rear luggage rack). I was sold immediately.
This is my first bike in over 20 years. I had a '82 Goldwing before. I could have gone bigger, but at my current age I wanted something lighter and real nimble. I found it in this machine. It's light enough for in town cruising, yet heavy enough for freeway riding. A good mid-weight bike! But unlike my old wing, this ride does produce some vibes from the v-twin. The vibes are most note able through the floorboards, at speeds above 65 MPH. Fortunately though, the vibes do not effect the mirrors, however.
Keeping it clean isn't all that hard either. I thought the white wall tires might be a problem, but I found them very easy to clean. Just spray the white walls with Westley's Blech-Wite tire cleaner (which can be found most anywhere), lightly scrub with an old tooth brush, and then rinse off. Voila, egg shell white! It doesn't get any easier!
For my purposes this machine is great and does what I wanted! I highly recommend it to anyone! Even if I sometimes might not be able to ride it, I can still enjoy just looking at something so beautiful!
Would you buy another motorcycle from this manufacturer? Yes
Review Date: 19th September, 2008
23rd Feb 2013, 20:06
I have a 2006 used C50t. It came with throw over saddle bags, which I will be changing to hard mount, a dust cover, windshield, running light bar, two helmets and a battery tender. It had 4,000 miles on it, and had the 800 mile service done, including a valve adjustment.
The bike is immaculate, never used in the rain, and never dumped. I paid $5,750 in June 2011 and now have 8,500 miles on it. Perfect weight for me, love the ride, and also sometimes when I can't ride it, I just look at it and admire it.
I change the oil every 3,500 miles and filter at every other oil change. Although the battery was doing fine, since it was six years old I changed it. Also had second valve adjustment at 7,500 mile. Would like to have a disc brake in rear instead of the drum, a tach and a fuel gauge.
I had rented a Harley Road King, and although it had a little more power, my bike has plenty for me, and is much smoother, especially at idle. I took it to Florida this past January for two weeks, and myself and two brothers had a great time enjoying that beautiful bike weather.