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Pop-Ed: Who's In and Who's Out at 'Saturday Night Live'?
The past week saw some major shakeups at 'Saturday Night Live.' Will Forte, a cast member since 2002, chose to leave. Taran Killam, Paul Brittain and Venessa Bayer (and maybe Jay Pharoah) are in as -- we assume -- featured players. Yes, it's entirely possible that there are no more changes before the 36th season premiere. But 'SNL' history will tell you that's not likely.
'SNL' certainly doesn't always abide by a formula of "one in, one out," but if recent trends hold, it would appear that the shuffle isn't quite over.
In the '05-'06 season, the cast was composed of 16 members (12 cast members and 4 featured players). In the '06-'07 season, the cast was cut to 11 members -- Rachel Dratch, Tina Fey, Finesse Mitchell, Chris Parnell and Horatio Sanz were all gone and were not replaced. The following year ('07-'08), Maya Rudolph departed and was replaced by Casey Wilson as a featured player. In '08-'09, the cast did expand to 13 members: Amy Poehler left while Bobby Moynihan, Abby Elliott and Michaela Watkins joined. Then, last season ('09-'10), Darrell Hammond left and both Casey Wilson and Michaela Watkins were dropped as featured players and were replaced by Nasim Pedrad and Jenny Slate. So, looking at a five season snapshot, in only one season, '08-'09, did the cast actually expand. If this trend continues, let's see who's actually on the hot seat.
Fred Armisen
Armisen has been with SNL since the 2002 season but, as Forte's departure proved, that has isn't an accurate barometer. Sure, he's (maybe) got the Obama gig, which usually brings job security, but his Obama impression has never been overwhelmingly popular. And if these Pharoah are true, Armisen has done his last Obama impression. And look, without getting too intertwined into someone's personal life, this hasn't exactly been the best few weeks for Armisen considering the recent announcement about his breakup with Elizabeth Moss. It's unlikely he's going to be let go while in the midst of a divorce. Lorne Michaels can be cold, at times, but that's bordering on cruel – which he's not. Plus, Armisen still delivers sketches like last season's "I Did It In My Style: The Story of Frank Sinatra."
Prognosis: Probably Safe
Bill Hader
Truly one of the breakout stars of 'SNL.' With the departure of Darrell Hammond, Hader is the only real chameleon left on the show that can deliver a wide plethora of impressions. When Hader leaves, it will be his choice.
Prognosis: Safe
Seth Meyers
Meyers, a cast member since 2001, is the head writer of 'Saturday Night Live' and the anchor of 'Weekend Update.' There's no way such a drastic move would happen this close to the start of the season.
Prognosis: Safe
Jason Sudeikis
Sudeikis is the most underrated cast member on the show. He can play the oddball and he can play the straight man. He's nestled himself into that Phil Hartman mold of appearing in a lot of sketches and does a nice job of holding them together. If Lorne Michaels is the head coach and Seth Meyers is the offensive coordinator, Sudeikis is the quarterback. Though, it should be noted, not many people really tune into 'SNL' just to see Jason Sudeikis.
Prognosis: Probably Safe
Kristen Wiig
Wiig was a member of the scouting team that recruited the three new cast members, so she's not going anywhere. Playing on an earlier theme, if Sudeikis is the quarterback, Wiig is the receiver that's thrown to way too often. The way 'Saturday Night Live' works is many sketches are written throughout any given week. Each writer is vying to get his or her sketch on the air, which is hard. For whatever reason, Lorne loves Wiig (admittedly, she has her moments, but sketches like Gilly are unwatchable). So what's the best way to get a sketch on the air? Write for Wiig! If a writer throws out a Gilly sketch in a given week, the chances are that sketch is getting on the air. Unfortunately, relying too much on recurring characters, and Wiig, hurts the show. Wiig, like Hader, will leave the show when she wants to leave the show.
Prognosis: Safe
Andy Samberg
Samberg can be polarizing, but his digital shorts – created along with fellow Lonely Island members Akiva Schaffer and Jorma Taccone – drive 'SNL''s Internet buzz. Once 'Lazy Sunday' went viral and pretty much created YouTube, Samberg pretty much writes his own ticket there. Sure, his film career is sketchy – the wildly underrated 'Hot Rod' didn't do much at the box-office – but there are many viewers that only watch SNL to see the digital shorts. 'SNL' can't afford to lose the buzz.
Prognosis: Safe
Kenan Thompson
Unfortunately, it's difficult to discuss Kenan without venturing into the larger issue of lack of African Americans in the cast. Before that: Kenan has had some up and down years on the show but is in the middle of a resurgence. Tiger Woods marital woes come along at the right time for Kenan, plus, recurring sketches like 'What's Up With That?' have gone viral. And, yes, he's (currently) the only African American cast member on the show which, yes, makes him (currently) the only cast member who can play certain characters. And, of note, none of the three new cast members added this season are minorities. Of course, this all changes if Jay Pharoah joins.
Prognosis: Probably Safe
Abby Elliott
Quick, name one Abby Elliott sketch or character. And, yeah, you can't count Brittany Murphy because she can't really use that one any longer. Not to discredit Elliott's talent (any relative of Chris Elliott is going to be talented based on osmosis, alone) but Wiig's dominance of screen time doesn't leave a whole lot of time for Elliott to make her mark. Plus, this would be her third year as a featured player, which is almost unheard of these days. At this point, they either have to bring her into the cast or let her go. And being a perceived part of the Armisen-Moss breakup probably won't help her case.
Prognosis: Should Be Worried
Bobby Moynihan
Same as Elliott, it's unlikely he's going to be a third year featured player. (Full disclosure: I once attended a live performance of 'SNL' at the invite of Bobby Moynihan.) Moynihan has made a lot of important strides, but it's debatable if they've been enough. His most well known recurring character is Mark Payne -- the "pepper" guy who works at Uno's -- which has aired twice (and at least once more at dress before it was cut for time). Also: Ass Dan. But he also wrote one of the most popular sketches of the last two years: The 'Single Ladies' sketch featuring Moynihan, Samberg and Justin Timberlake dancing behind Beyoncé. Unfortunately, two of the new cast members are male. I like Moynihan so I hope that I'm wrong, but...
Prognosis: Should Be Worried
Nasim Pedrad
Four words: Kickspit Underground Rock Festival. Quite possibly the funniest thing that aired on 'SNL all of last season. The Iranian born Pedrad pretty much did the best that she possibly could hope getting screen time (see Wiig, Kristen) for a first year player. No question, the jury is out – as they always are for featured players – but she'll most likely get at least another year.
Prognosis: Should Still be Concerned, but is Probably Safe.
Jenny Slate
Like Pedrad, only has one year under her belt, but as Michaela Watkins (who Slate stepped in for as Hoda Kotb) found out, that doesn't mean a whole lot. And hey: She dropped the F Bomb on the air during her first show and didn't get immediately fired, so there's obviously someone there who thinks pretty highly of her. Unfortunately, that's kind of what she's best known for. One thing's for sure: If Slate isn't back, the role of Hoda Kotb is officially cursed. (Beware the Kotb, Venessa Bayer.)
Prognosis: Should Be Worried
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- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Sue
It's not the cast..it is the material that they are given. I don't know what the writers are thinking but for many seasons now the show has been unwatchable...sophmoric humor at best. I can't remember the last time I laughed at an SNL episode but it has been a long time...and back then it truly was worth staying up for. I don't even bother watching anymore..it is painful and boring!
- Saturday 04 September
Sue - I totally agree. I liked the Dana Carvey, Will Farrell and Cheri Otarie cast. I enjoyed Rachel Dratch as Debbie Downer. It hasn't garnered a chuckle out of me since.
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy stratpuck
Seth is not the writer Tina Fey was. The show has slumped badly since Seth left. Some of his stuff is clever, but its also esoteric. And not funny. Its time for a new writer.
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Nico Toscani
The writing is weak for sure, but the cast is even weaker. Don't forget, they write many of the sketches for themselves. Things have been slipping since Tina Fey left for sure.
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy grimace
the last time I really laughed at SNL was when Timberlake hosted the first time. And he did double duty as host and musical guest, and was great. That, and "Lazy Sunday" were the last times I guffawed at SNL
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Brian
I agree!! The actors are very talented and were not brought onto this show just because. Slump or no slump, the shows been on the air 35 years and counting so I'm sure they very carefully scout the talent that they hire. They just need better writers and characters that suit the actors better.
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy vicvod
It's time to pull the plug on this dinosaur!
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy ??
The show has the potential to be more than it is, ther should be at least 3 rememberable skits per show. Sometimes there is only one and many times there are no really funny parts. I have seen funnier people at my job.
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Jennifer
I used to love SNL when Mia Roudolph was on because she is a genius. I haven't laughed since she left the show.
Dear SNL,
Please, please, GET NEW WRITERS! I don't understand why most of your skits are pretty foul. The writing is NOT funny and though the cast is very talented, the material is awful! Hey, why not see what Conan O'Brian is doing these days!
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy MARY
When Kristen Wiig appears in a skit I actually turn the channels. She is not funny, Just annoying. Please replace her!!!!
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy InurfaceLowest Rank Vote downVote upReport this
I love Kristen Wiig! There is a reason she is the female cast member with the most skits. Jenny Slate should be worried, I have not seen one funny skit by her, she is always playing a serious character; boring!!!! For all you Kristen Wiig haters: maybe some of her characters mirror how you act and you just can't get why someone would be laughing at someone like you; sooooo ummmmm!
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Shelley
Which character are people supposed to see themselves in? The one where she is the sister with tiny hands??? The Gilly idiocy? I don't even know anyone who is like that annoying Target lady. She may have been funny at one time but SNL's insistance on going to her every-other skit has made it overkill and I can't stand her anymore either. We get it already, she's the goofy lady for all the skits... now can the writers get creative????
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy davidjmears
Mike Ryan: Your SNL piece is very good and probably on the mark. I did however want to mention Bobby Moynihan's fantastic turn as Jersey Shore's Snooki, one of the real highlights of last season's Weekend Update. This may move him from should-be-worried to probably-safe.
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Kac
I totally agree with you and was surprised that Bobby Moynihan's portrayal or Snooki was not mentioned!!!
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy nwkoleda
I agree, the skits have sucked ever since Seth took over as head writer. Seth has a very immature sense of humor and should not be in a position of authority. Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert are hilarious for 30 minutes 4 nights a week and SNL can't be the least bit funny for one hour one night a week? Please!
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Pat L.
If I were Fred Armisen I would be worried. If I were Abby Elliott I would be writing a resume. Fred's Obama wasn't that bad but to be replaced and still on staff does not bode well. As for Abby, Fred is going to kick her to the curb very soon, look how he treated his wife!
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Carla
His Obama skits are BORING... the funniest thing was when The Rock was an Incredible Hulk version of Obama! Now, THAT was friggin hilarious...
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy BeldarHigh Rank Vote downVote upReport this
Thanks for your risk analysis. I think it's nearly spot-on. One thing to consider: Jenny Slate had a recurring character "Tina Tina Chaneuse" who pitches cheesy doorbells, car horns (and maybe cellphones?), etc. Though the skit is limited by mediocre writing, it is a good example of how funny Slate can be, despite iffy writing. I laughed outloud each time she played the character. I think in Jenny's case, it's a question of material rather than talent. I think she'll stay. Abby Elliott is more at risk than Jenny Slate.
- Friday 03 SeptemberBy Jaybird248Lowest Rank Vote downVote upReport this
Kristin is a modern-day Carol Burnett. Her career will skyrocket and she'll be off to do movies in a year. But as long as she is there, she will dominate the female roles, so don't blame Elliot, Pedrad and Slate when they're kicked off. Probably no new female will break through while Wiig is there. Among the men, Samberg is a waste, and Forte will not be missed (especially the obnoxious MacGruder character). Hader is truly the new star, with Jason the steady hitter. They'll keep Thompson to do the A-A roles, and Armisen to do Obama and other ethnics.
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Christine Hutabarat, the corporate secretary of state-owned ferry operator ASDP Indonesia, said that almost 55,000 people on their way to Bakauheni in Lampung packed the port in all manner of vehicles, including over 3,000 motorcycles, over 5,600 small and medium vehicles, 400 buses and 1,250 trucks waiting to board ferries to cross the Sunda Strait
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"LLANWRDA (LLAN-WRDA), a parish, comprising the Upper and Lower divisions, in the union of LLANDOVERY, higher division of the hundred of CAYO, county of CARMARTHEN, SOUTH WALES, 3 1/2 miles, by the suspension bridge over the river Towy, (W. by S.) from Llandovery; containing 553 inhabitants. This parish, which is intersected by the turn-pike road from Llandilo to Llandovery and Lampeter, is beautifully situated in a pleasing and retired vale, watered by a fine stream that joins the Towy immediately contiguous, and surrounded by lofty hills richly clothed with wood: it comprises 4441 acres of land, all inclosed. A small manufacture of coarse woollen cloth is carried on within its limits . . . the church is dedicated to St. Cawrdav. There is a place of worship for Independents. . . A Sunday school affords gratuitous instruction to about 80 males and females." [From A Topographical Dictionary of Wales (S. Lewis, 1844).]
Details of extant records on Archives Network Wales for the following;
Some church and chapel data from The Religious census of 1851 : A Calendar of the returns relating to Wales, Vol 1, South Wales. Ed. by I.G Jones, & D. Williams. UWP, Cardiff, 1976. The names are those of the informants
Griffiths, G. Milwyn. A Visitation of the Archdeaconry of Carmarthen, 1710 National Library of Wales journal. 1974, Summer Vol XVIII/3. Includes the parish of Llan Wrda
Parish entry for Llansadwrn with Llanwrda from The Welsh Church Year Book, 1929 (Cd by (Archive CD Books)).
Dyfed FHS have photographs and data relating to various churches and chapels on their site
Parish registers: Christenings (1684, 1689-1916), Marriages (1684, 1689-1970), Banns (1824-70) and Burials (1689-1961) are at the National Library of Wales with Mf [except Banns] at Carm.RO.
Bishops' Transcripts, covering the period (1673, 1677-9, 1681-7, 1690-1, 1693, 1695-9, 1701, 1703, 1707-8, 1716-22, 1724-43, 1745-7, 1749-52, 1755-1800, 1802-57) are at the National Library of Wales, and have been microfilmed by the LDS.
Marriage index for this parish - see Dyfed Marriages, 1813-1837, Vol. 20 - Cayo Hundred (Dyfed Family History Society, c1989)
See Bap/Mar/Bur data on FreeReg
Nonconformist chapels;
The Religious census of 1851 : A Calendar of the returns relating to Wales, Vol 1, South Wales., byJones, I.G. & Williams, D. UWP, Cardiff, 1976. These statistics for this parish are extracted from this book which in turn got them from the 1851 census itself;
Places, villages, farms etc within Llanwrda parish as shown on the online parish map from the CD of Historic Parishes of England and Wales: an Electronic Map of Boundaries before 1850 with a Gazetteer and Metadata [computer file]. (Kain, R.J.P., Oliver, R.R.). (Extracted by Gareth Hicks)
Dyfed (Wales) Cultural Services Department. Llandeilo, Llanymddyfri a rhan uchaf Dyffryn Tywi: mewn hen luniau. Stroud: Alan Sutton ar y cyd Cyngor Sir Dyfed a Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru, 1991. 159p: chiefly ill, ports. [ISBN 0862999758]
Ferguson-Thomas, Henry. Spotlight on Porthyrhyd (in Llanwrda parish). Dyfed FHS journal vol 8/8 April 2005.
Llanwrda - on the Heart of Wales site
Llanwrda - on Wikipedia
Carmarthenshire Families
Details of extant records on Archives Network Wales for the following;
Lloyd, Alwyne. LLOYD/LOYD of Llanwrda Dyfed FHS journal (3/279). The author was fortunate in recording the story of his family as his forbears kept records and changed the spelling of their surname at the end of the 18th century.
Lloyd, Sir John E., (Ed.). A History of Carmarthenshire (2 vols.), Cardiff, London Carmarthenshire Society (1935, 1939). Extracts from this book can be accessed on some parish pages, see below for this parish.
- Nonconformity and Methodism/ The Society of Friends; "......a regular meeting place was in Llansadwrn, whence it was removed to to 'a place called Pen y bank in Llanwrda '.........a meeting of ten Friends at Pen y Banc in 1757 was 'larger than usual'........."
- Nonconformity and Methodism/ Calvinistic Methodism; "There in a block of eight parishes stretching from Llan y Crwys to Llanddeusant ---- and including two parishes, Llan y Crwys and Llanwrda, which contained no Methodist chapel --- the number of Methodist communicants rose to nearly 43% of the Nonconformist total of membership...."
- Economic and Social Life/ Agriculture, the sixteenth century ; "....the freeholders of the manors of Cetheiniog, Mallaen, and Caeo.......................was leased to Robert Davy, the Receiver General of South Wales, who, in turn, leased it to Robert Hopkins of Llanwrda ......."
- Introduction/ Boundaries and Local Divisions; " In early medieval terms Carmarthenshire was made up of Ystrad Tywi [without Gower], Emlyn Uch Cuch and Y Cantref Gwarthaf [without Efelffre]. At some point pre the Norman conquest Ystrad Tywi itself was divided into Y Cantref Mawr and Y Cantref Bychan.
About the time of the Norman conquest, Cantref Mawr was divided into 7 commotes; ..... one of which was Mallaen ............ the easternmost of the 7.......... and corresponded to the present parishes of Cilycwm and Llanwrda, together with the township of Ystrad............ "
- Castles, Boroughs and Religious Houses/Monastic Lands and Revenues; The churches that came into possession of the religious houses were as follows; Talley --- chapel of Llanwrda etc.....
- Castles, Boroughs and Religious Houses/Castles/The Motte and Bailey Castle "Eleven of the motte castles show trace of a baily...........where nature provides a knoll, as at Llangadock, Llanwrda and Llanllwni, the Norman contented himself with heightening the site by throwing up the earth excavated from the ditch...............The site chosen was the forward slope of a spur rather than the summit of the hill. This is strikingly illustrated at Llanwrda, Pembrey and Pant Glas (Llanpumsaint)..........."
- Prehistoric and Roman Times/T opographical Index; Llanwrda (Llandovery). Cwm Cynwal Farm. Coin (AV) of Trajan (98-117 AD) found 'during repairs to a wall'(RCAM, 596).
- Prehistoric and Roman Times/Roads; "....... Llandovery to Carmarthen, .......after coinciding for a while with the modern road, it may at a distance of one and a half miles south-west of Llanwrda have left it to follow a more or less direct line along the ridge, passing ultimately by Pen-y-banc and so on to the modern road again a mile before Broad Oak.............."
Rowlands, J. Llanwrda. In Historical Notes of the Counties of Glamorgan, Carmarthen, & Cardigan, and a list of the Members of Parliament for South Wales, from Henry VIII, to Charles II., Cardiff, Hugh Bird (1866), pp.52-54.
Rawlins, José. The last will of Rees David, Yeoman, of Blaenycwm, Llanwrda. Carmarthenshire Antiquary 32 (1996), p. 124-6
Details of extant records on Archives Network Wales for the following;
Held at Carmarthen Archives;
[Gareth Hicks : 17 Dec 2012]
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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.
Deleting this seems harder than it should be.
Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.
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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.
Originally posted by fenistil
I have no argument either so I'll say something that doesnt make sense and doesn't apply to this line of thought.
Do you kill yourself because nothing will stop you from dying anyways?
Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.
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Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
The thread is regarding stopping botting (as well as hacks such as teleport hacks & dupe hacks as stated in the OP), not just gold selling. You said botting will stop, when youre talking about something else (gold selling) stopping.
Yes there is a difference in the goals of the 2 types, but the means is the same. Bots & gold selling exists in F2P as well. How does your idea regarding "stolen" accounts and players having to buy a new game apply?
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
It's been a long time since anyone claimed we could WIN a war on drugs. We will never legalize Crystal Meth or hard drugs that ruin lives and families. It's our duty to do our best to keep them off the street.
It's in developers best interest to try and keep bots under control. Otherwise the game economy tanks and people leave in droves. There is zero reason why devs can't run software on the client that checks other running processes and at least prevent the public bots from running. There's zero reason why ANET can't prevent teleport or speed hacks.
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Let's say you do fully stop teleporting and speed hacks. Great you still haven't stopped botting.
Ok you check for certain running processes. The botters just change the processes constantly to beat your detection methods. You haven't stopped botting.
You can police it, you can ban some, but..... you will NEVER stop botting.
Originally posted by neobahamut20
Many people live in a way to increase possiblity that they will live long by either avoiding dangerous situations or by eating and living healthy or by doing both of those things.
Remember I am against fighting battles that never can be decisilely and totally won, so your argument cannot be used against my reasoning.
Originally posted by kaiser3282
I'm not talking gold selling. I'm talking one type of botting, by far the most prevelant one, which is done to sell items for real world money. If no one purchased a single thing from them..... it would stop it 100% because there would be no gain to doing it at all.
Somehow you're trying to prove something I said wrong with your second sentence but you are really proving my point. My point was that there is little to no penalty to an item/gold selling botter when caught. They either hack another account or start up a new one and keep on going. Yes, with F2P where the accounts cost nothing to begin with so the penalties are even less -> increased botting.
A person who does it purely to get their character ahead is the easiest type of bot to police because a ban to them does actually effect them. Even in a F2P game, they just had all of their progress erased. If each time they try to bot up to max level/max gear and keep having their account erased. They give up and leave as it is not worth it. It is the far less common and intrusive type of botting (because it does have risks and because a lot of people simply don't have the desire to do it) and it is the only type that could actually be close to eliminated by policing/detection methods.
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
That's obvious, and I clearly should have worded things better. There will always be some bots out there. That's a no brainer. But Blizzard and ANET seem resigned to not even try to halt the public bots. That's really what I'm getting at.
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
I think you miss the point. It is NOT about getting rid of the botting totally. It is about making it less common and minimizing it's effect.
You may not know but it is same principle that lies under fundament of law and law enforcement. You will NEVER be able to stop crimes or mistakes but that does not mean that there should be no police or that there should be no auditing.
Since people want to believe that botting can be fully stopped I guess there isn't much point in opening their eyes. But suffice it to say, they will be dissappointed in online games for the rest of their lives.
I will let them continue on with the amazing technology that an MMO company could implement, but for some strange reason won't, that will stop all botting and lead to a Hands Across the Virtual World day.
Originally posted by fenistil
He's just arguing over semantics and absolutes. It's really pointless to discuss with him at this point.
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
You are trolling now since there were multiple posts stating something totally opposite.
Seems you're right.
Originally posted by fenistil
Read the title of the thread. "Are developers powerless to trult stop bots" the answer is YES, it cannot be stopped.
You can lessen it and take a few botters out here and there, but the point of the thread actually IS to have botting be 100% stopped, which is impossible.
If people think they will log into an MMO where no one will ever try to sell them gold or they will never run across people botting, they're crazy. They might as well start a thread on why spam mail hasn't been erased from the world yet.
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
You're arguing semantics in topic title instead of discussing actual thing?
That's really low what you're doing.
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Not completely without some effect on the players. You could take away macros and bindings, that would solve things short term if the UI can be static. Maybe a fluid reactionary combat system where you have to click?
Aion tried at first to have a hold on bots but the players threw a fit about Gamguard. In hindsight it may have been better to ignore fans on that one since bot infestation kept the game from being as big as it could have been right out of the gate IMO.
At this point easy tools for reporting and quick reactions on the part of a developer will be your best bet past filters and monitoring tools. F2P/B2P makes things a bit worse. Botting and spamming (mail and chat) are part of the reason I agree with SoE's method of locking out mail and broker to free players. It's been complained about plenty but you can't deny the results.
Originally posted by fenistil
It is low because I am destroying the fantasy that botting will disappear, or to put it in words you prefer almost disappear?
I'll change the phrase to this then. Botting will NEVER be cut down to a minimal level that will have no impact on the community of a game.
I've held the same stance the entire thread. Because it is correct you and Frodo have resorted to arguing semantics instead of coming up with a way that it is wrong. Yet I am the one arguing semantics.
You and Frodo can go on believing that 5-10 years from now botting will be so well controlled it will be so minimal people won't even know it exists and then be completely shocked when it is still rampant. I will understand it will not be defeated or minimized and will not be the least bit shocked when I see it.
There have been realistic people in this thread. Saying for example "You can't do anything but whack a mole them as they pop up" which is correct. But you seem to think otherwise with no real solid reasoning to why.
You mention real life law enforcement. Well you'd probably be interested to see that murder rates, theft, etc. rise and fall constantly over time. The biggest factor in the rising and falling isn't the enforcement, it is the community. When the community is stronger, when economies are better/unemployment lower, the crime rates go down. The same would be true for botting, as less and less people buy the goods, the rate of botting will go down. As more buy it the rate will go up, regardless of the enforcement.
Law is really there to stop only those who fear the consequences by showing a presence. There will always be plenty who don't fear the consequences and that is why crime will always exist no matter how much enforcement you throw at the problem.
That goes all the way back to the original point I made, and the still only truthful way to stop (or minimalize) botting. The community has to stop buying from them. That isn't going to happen, botting will always be a significant factor.
Now you can go back to debating without focusing on the fact I said fully stop and can now argue the words mostly stop.
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If a game has warping hacks, it's due to a very badly designed game engine. The cardinal rule of fighting cheats is, as a game developer put it about a decade ago: "Don't trust the client. The client is in the hands of the enemy."
Most of the computational work has to be done on the client. But that's okay, as most of the computational work can't be used to cheat. If someone manages to hack the client to make a character invisible, or make a texture look different, so what?
The fundamental rule is that anything that can be used to cheat must be done server-side. In some cases, such as the loot that mobs drop or the damage that attacks do, the original computations should be done server side, and then the server can inform the client of the results.
Some things such as movement must be done both server-side and client-side. The game initially does the computations client-side, so that when you say to move forward, your character appears to move forward immediately. If the way movement worked was that you pressed a button to move, and then the client told the server you were trying to move, and waited for the server to tell the client that it's okay to move, and only then showed you actually moving, then the game would feel horribly laggy.
But movement must be rigorously checked server-side, too. The client tells the server that it moved in such and such a manner, and then the server has to check to see whether that is possible. To some degree, the server has to trust the client on saying when it moved, as if you don't officially move until the server finds out about it, controls will feel very laggy.
The key is that how much the server trusts the client must be strictly limited to what is necessary to cover up Internet latency. For example, a client can say that you started moving at such and such a time, and if the server sees it within 200 ms (or some other arbitrary figure), it accepts it. And if not, then it says, no, you didn't start moving until 200 ms before I found out about it--and then tells the client to rubber-band the player back to where the player "really" is.
So if a player hacks the client to be able to teleport around, it's necessary for it to initially appear on the client that the teleport hack has worked. But then the client tells the server where he is, and the server must quickly check it and say, no, it's not possible for you to have moved from here to there that quickly. And then the server must tell the client that he is actually over there instead, and the player rubber-bands back. And the server must check before it broadcasts the cheater's new location to other players.
Guild Wars 1 notably wasn't very good about this, either. Remember how you'd be running along, then start taking damage from nothing in particular, and then finally rubber-band back to where you were 10 seconds ago? Checks should be more frequent, so that you rubber-band back within a fraction of a second.
That Guild Wars 2 apparently hasn't gotten the rubber-banding right either makes me wonder if Guild Wars 1 had lots of bots teleporting around, too, but we just never saw it because they were off in their own instances.
In ArenaNet's defense, covering up Internet latency in online games is very, very hard to do. For many games, it's probably the single hardest to program thing in the entire game. For a game to be played over a LAN or to be turn-based (like Wizard 101 or Atlantica, not the "auto-attack every 2.2 seconds" that some people mistakenly call turn-based) makes this much easier, but that's not an option for many online games. This is wandering off on a tangent, but I'm going to copy and paste from another thread just to make a point of how nasty to deal with Internet latency is:
If you're 1000 miles away from the server, then it would take light a little more than 5 ms to travel that distance in a vacuum. That means that if there's one event that occurs on your computer, and another event that occurs on the server, observers at different points in the universe wouldn't necessarily agree on the time gap between them. If the events occurred at close enough times, there might be disagreement as to which happened "first". Even if they agree on which event came first, they could disagree with as to the time gap between them by as much as a little over 10 ms. This isn't a measurement error or because the observers are stupid, either; it's the nature of the universe.
So now, a player sitting in his house playing your game presses a button to attack. At what time should the attack officially take place? The time at which the event "occurs" in his house doesn't match your server, let alone any other players connected to your server. And then actually transmitting it from the client to the server takes longer yet.
The naive answer is, the attack occurs when the server finds out about it. But that's the wrong answer. That will make the game feel horribly laggy and players will complain. You have to accept that attacks started before the server finds out about them. But how long before? Surely to a player, it shouldn't look on his own computer like the attack started before he pressed a button. And what about other players that don't find out about it until later?
And how do you synchronize the time between the server and the various players, anyway? If it's 3:48 pm on the server and 3:47 pm on a player's computer because one of the clocks is slightly off, attacks that register on the server shouldn't take a full minute to appear on a player's computer. But you can't perfectly synchronize time because, not merely does it take varying amounts of time to transmit data, but saying two events in different places happened "at the same time" is scientific nonsense, as discussed above.
And yet, every event in the game world needs to appear to a player as though it happened at some exact time. And it has to seem like it happened at a logical time, so that it doesn't look to the player like things are rubber-banding or it's taking a long time for the game to accept anything he tells it to do.
There isn't a perfect solution to this. But if you can't come up with a passable solution, you can't make a real-time MMORPG, whether seamless, heavily-zoned, or anything else. You could still make something that is completely turn-based--not the real-time attack every 2.2 seconds that players sometimes call "turn-based", but really turn-based along the lines of Civilization.
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Think you either missed or ignored some possible solutions.
In example running aimbots or cheats on PS3 is very hard. Most of times it will require jailbreak which is pain in butt to do and if you play online you end up get banned from PSN and online gaming sooner or later.
What's an effect? There is very few cheaters on PS3 online fps than on same games on PC.
Sure they still are but diffrence is collosal.
For real life crime thingie - most places in the world with low crime rate was achieved as a combination fighting with extreme poverty and high success rate of police investigations in small cases (small thievery, destruction of property, etc).
This is true for Scandivian countries in example.
If you have wealthy society but shit police it does not work (Mediolan, Rome) as good.
If you have big difftences in wealth in society and relatively high poverty (some places in US) this does not work as well.
Changes in community / society have to be supported or sometimes even triggered (either by some high authority or as an community response to some big event or big pain in butt for a long time) they don't magically appear out of blue.
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Not sure how LOTRO does it but I've never seen a bot, gold spammer or goldseller in that mmo. Someone told me ages ago that it had to do with chat channels having boundaries to the local zone but I have no idea if that's still relevant.
Originally posted by fenistil
I didn't miss or ignore that case because that is CHEATING not BOTTING. And no this isn't a semantics point, those are two very different topics.
Cheating is breaking the systems to get an advantage, aim hacks is a good example.
Botting is having the computer run your character for you.
Botting isn't common in the FPS genre to begin with because there isn't much to gain with it, especially in all of the non progression ones.
I will give you, even though it isn't really on topic, that cheating in FPS games has gone down from when the genre was young. I remember characters flying up into the air and teleporting around in Delta Force and the early instant aim hacks in Counter Strike (although it was fun to watch how many people say it was impossible to create a program that would auto head shot for so long before finally getting proof that it was possible). Even leagues like the ESEA still ban people for cheating on a regular basis and they have their own cheat software on top of the valve anti-cheat software. You just don't run into it in every single match your in which is further helped by the vote to kick player option. If your cheating is obvious you'll be kicked quickly making it not as worth it.
However, it isn't a reasonable comparison. Outside of cheating in a tournament, there is no financial gain in cheating in FPS gains. So if it is a pain to keep trying to get around the system to embarass people for a little bit, the amount that it is done goes down. With MMO botting there are significant gains to be made so the effort will always be there.


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Been a very disappointing start to the season in 2012 for Donald, very reminiscent of his start in 2008, when he got up to around the top 70 after a great run of form at the end of 2007 in challengers, but fell back because he couldn't cut it at the ATP level. I thought things had changed, but apparently not. And with the US HC season over, Donald is going to have it tough now as the next months he'll be playing on surfaces less favorable for him, clay and grass.
Luckily for Donald, his two wins have come at the AO and Memphis. So he's earned over 100 points this season with winning only two matches. The problem now, however, is Donald is mostly defending points from last season at this point. He lost R3 points from Indian Wells, he lost qualifying points from Miami. He will lose 80 points from Tallahassee in a couple weeks, and defends 48 points in Savannah in about a month's time, yet will be playing on red clay in Europe during this period. It appears very likely Donald will lose his top 50 spot in the very near future. What's most important is that Donald can gain enough points through the spring to minimize the pressure he will have of defending the points he gained from the US Open series onward. Hopefully he can surprise and pick up some wins on the clay.
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Mediumship is a gift. The word 'Mediumship' is a term used to describe communication with spirits. This means that over and above the usual five human senses of sight, hearing, touch, smell and taste, that the Medium also has the awareness of an additional sense which allows them to connect with deceased loved ones of their own or others, on the spiritual level.
Yet dispite many of the misconceptions of the past, Mediums are simply ordinary people with everyday lives, jobs and families. The word 'Medium' simply defines a link between two areas; so a Spirit Medium is purely a link between this world and the Spirit World. Everyone has Mediumistic capabilities to some degree; either recognised or unrecognised as yet, and as such can be eveloped.
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Doubletalk on one-stop voting
The Republicans have re-defined one stop voting.
I just got my election notice from the Board of Elections for the primary. One-stop voting is defined as letting voters "request, receive and vote their ballot all at one time." This is Orwellian doubletalk, since it used to mean that you could register to vote and vote on the same day. By the way, my voter information packet arrived yesterday, April 8, and it notes that this Friday, April 11, is the last day that you can register to vote for the May 6 primary.
If you own property, you've probably lived in one place for years, so you never worry about registering to vote. If you don't own property, and have recently moved, you could easily miss the chance to register at your new address. The Republicans know they might lose an honest election, so they want to do all they can to stop younger or poorer people from voting.
I just hope that the courts overturn this before the November elections.
David C. Sokal
Fracking threatens water supplies
This fracking that is coming to North Carolina bothers me. I asked a gentleman that drills wells for a living, if there were a site I could go to to find out where the underground river that supplied my well originated. He told me nothing like that existed, and if it did he would be the first to use that information on his job.
If fracking occurs anywhere in this state, who is to say that someone or maybe even everyone could be affected? All our water comes from the ground (underground rivers to springs to streams to creeks to rivers to reservoirs, etc., with a little help from rainfall and its runoff.) The people in the city will be affected as well as those on private wells. Do not think city water will protect you. Everyone depends on clean underground water for survival.
Once your water is contaminated you might as well lock your door and figure out how and where you are going to live. You won't be able to sell your house, so good luck with that.
The folks that lease the land for the drilling will take that big money and run, so don't count on the goodness of your neighbor to protect you and your family. Wake up, North Carolina, and stand your ground on this. If we don't help ourselves, nobody else will.
We deserve better treatment from our elected officials. If possible vote them out if they are seeking reelection this fall.
Joe Gilchrist
Questioning the math
In the article "Suit cites urgency to overturn state's gay marriage ban" (4/10/14), Tami Fitzgerald, NC Values Coalition executive director, states "When courts mandate marriage redefinition in conflict with the will of the majority of the people..."
According to the N. C. Board of Elections website, in the 2012 primary 35 percent of registered voters cast a ballot. Sixty percent of those voting supported a constitutional ban on recognition of same-sex marriages. When I was taught elementary math (late 1940s, early 50s) 60 percent of 35 percent was 21 percent of those eligible to vote. And unless the introduction of new math changed the definition of "majority," isn't a majority still 51 percent? To be accurate, and not misleading, Ms. Fitzgerald would have to state that a court mandated redefinition of marriage would be in conflict with the will of 21 percent of those voting on May 6, 2012.
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I am confused, how can we get the test back so fast? We are still waiting for the results for Tom DeVoursney. Oh wait money talks.
Paula, Good question, I am trying to think of a single person but no one comes to mind. I personally believe it going to come down to the churches. I am not tying to get all religious on you but, think about it if all us Christians would give 10 percent to our churches think of what the church could do. So to answer your question our Dick DeVos is not an individual I believe it will be our Churches.
We have to make marriage the first priority. I see young "woman" have baby's fathers walking away from their responsibilities. We can not expect the schools to bring up our children. The schools have become the parents they feed them breakfast, lunch, dinner, have daycare, med centers, and even provide some their clothes. You wonder why test scores are low the schools are doing everything but teach. This is no fault of the teachers the society has become lazy and expects the schools to do everything. Marriages first get up and work let the schools teach not raise your children.
Let's see, Marcia your district includes Muskegon Heights Public Schools and you are asking "why didn't the state intervene earlier?" and it appears "too little too late." What you are saying is you failed your constituents. A reason not to reelect you.
Lisha, that Walgreen's is not in the city of Roosevelt Park, it's in the city of Muskegon. Everyone now knows the Trayvon was a black teen, Just like everyone know's John Kerry serverd in Vietnam.
The black Florida teen was shot on Feb. 26 by George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old man who is part white and part Hispanic and a volunteer neighborhood watchman. Zimmerman claimed he was acting in self-defense and was not arrested.
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The Florida teen was shot on Feb. 26 by George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old man who was a volunteer neighborhood watchman. Zimmerman claimed he was acting in self-defense and was not arrested.
Paula, NBC, ABC, CNN have apologize for trying to make the Trayvon Martin case about race. How about you?
And this is why we still have racism in this country. Not a personal attack just on the media as a whole.
Paula, why was my post deleted? All I was doing was asking for you to answer my previous post. I am not trying to attack you I would just like to hear you point of view. Again the media and older generation need to get over all this race stuff. I am so proud of the younger generation they get it; race is becoming a non issue. Again could you please explain why the media needs to tell us what race people are in your stores?
Paula, this is a serious question, why does the media refer to George Zimmerman as a "White Hispanic" or uses phrases like "his father is white and mother is Hispanic"? To me this is race baiting. Its time that everyone over forty drops the race card. My child goes to Muskegon High school and for the most part the students are colored blind. It seems to me the only people keeping the division of the races are the people who profit from it or anyone over forty. STOP THE RACE BAITING


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Here are New Music Talks picks for the five best songs of 2014, based solely on what I love and what the people listened to most.
In no particular order:
Arkon Fly – Backseat
First discovered 'Arkon Fly' earlier this year when the talented duo dropped 'Through The Fire' even though that song was hot, 'Backseat' blew me away and for that it truly deserves to be in the top five.
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Folded Like Fabric – I Tried
These guys are great!
'I Tried' is a strong song with great production and for a debut track 'Folded Like Fabric' could do no wrong and that is why 'I Tried' is in the top five!.
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Låpsley – Falling Short
Love this girl and think she is one you need to keep on your radar for next year!
'Låpsley' enlightened us when she dropped 'Station' earlier in the year which really alerted people, but for me 'Falling Short' is an absolute goldmine of a track and well and truly deserves to be in the top five.
Listen to 'Falling Short' below
Son Little – Your Love Will Blow Me Away When My Heart Aches
This guy has one of the best voices I have ever heard!
'Your Love Will Blow Me Away When My Heart Aches' is an incredible song and the vocal that 'Son Little' produces is truly amazing.
Im sure all of you will agree with me that this deserves to be in the top five!
Listen to 'Your Love Will Blow Me Away When My Heart Aches' below
Zella Day – East Of Eden
This was a hard one as 'Sweet Ophelia' is a massive track but for me 'East Of Eden' just shades it as it is sonically beautiful!.
2015 is going to be a big year for the LA based 'Zella Day' if she keeps on giving us singles as great as this year!
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Parallel Verses
New International Version
The ox knows its master, the donkey its owner's manger, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand."
New Living Translation
Even an ox knows its owner, and a donkey recognizes its master's care--but Israel doesn't know its master. My people don't recognize my care for them."
English Standard Version
The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand."
New American Standard Bible
"An ox knows its owner, And a donkey its master's manger, But Israel does not know, My people do not understand."
King James Bible
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's feeding trough, but Israel does not know; My people do not understand."
International Standard Version
The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's feeding trough, but Israel doesn't know, and my people don't understand.
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An ox recognizes its owner, a donkey recognizes where its owner puts its food; but Israel does not recognize me, my people do not understand."
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Oxen know their owners, and donkeys know where their masters feed them. But Israel doesn't know [its owner]. My people don't understand [who feeds them].
Jubilee Bible 2000
The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master's crib; but Israel does not know, my people do not have understanding.
King James 2000 Bible
The ox knows his owner, and the donkey his master's crib: but Israel does not know, my people do not consider.
American King James Version
The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel does not know, my people does not consider.
American Standard Version
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib; but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
Douay-Rheims Bible
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel hath not known me, and my people hath not understood.
Darby Bible Translation
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib; Israel doth not know, my people hath no intelligence.
English Revised Version
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
Webster's Bible Translation
The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
World English Bible
The ox knows his owner, and the donkey his master's crib; but Israel doesn't know, my people don't consider."
Young's Literal Translation
An ox hath known its owner, And an ass the crib of its master, Israel hath not known, My people hath not understood.
Parallel CommentariesMatthew Henry's Concise Commentary
1:1-9 Isaiah signifies, The salvation of the Lord; a very suitable name for this prophet, who prophesies so much of Jesus the Saviour, and his salvation. God's professing people did not know or consider that they owed their lives and comforts to God's fatherly care and kindness. How many are very careless in the affairs of their souls! Not considering what we do know in religion, does us as much harm, as ignorance of what we should know. The wickedness was universal. Here is a comparison taken from a sick and diseased body. The distemper threatens to be mortal. From the sole of the foot even to the head; from the meanest peasant to the greatest peer, there is no soundness, no good principle, no religion, for that is the health of the soul. Nothing but guilt and corruption; the sad effects of Adam's fall. This passage declares the total depravity of human nature. While sin remains unrepented, nothing is done toward healing these wounds, and preventing fatal effects. Jerusalem was exposed and unprotected, like the huts or sheds built up to guard ripening fruits. These are still to be seen in the East, where fruits form a large part of the summer food of the people. But the Lord had a small remnant of pious servants at Jerusalem. It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed. The evil nature is in every one of us; only Jesus and his sanctifying Spirit can restore us to spiritual health.
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 3. - The ox... the ass. The ox and the ass are probably selected as the least intelligent of domesticated animals (so Jerome, Rosenmüller, and Gesenius). Yet even they recognize their owner or master. Jeremiah contrasts the brutish stupidity of Israel with the wise instinct of animals that have not been domesticated, as the stork, the turtle-dove, the crane, and the swallow (Jeremiah 8:7). Israel doth not know; i.e. does not acknowledge its Master and Owner, pays him no respect, does not recognize him as either Owner or Master. My people. Compare the formula, so frequent in Exodus, "Let my people go" (Exodus 7:16; 8:1, 20; 9:1, etc.). Israel was God's people by election (Genesis 15:13), by covenant (Exodus 19:5-8; Exodus 24:3-8), by pardoning grace (Exodus 33:12-17). Despite all their backslidings, he had not yet cast them off. They are still "his people" in Isaiah from first to last, standing in contrast with "the nations, "or "the Gentiles, "among whom they are to be "set as a sign" (Isaiah 66:19). Doth net consider. Gesenius translates, "doth not consider thereof;" Cheyne, "is without understanding." Bishop Lowth retains the words of the Authorized Version. The meaning would seem to be, "My people doth not consider me, cloth not reflect on my relation to them as Lord and Master."
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
The ox knoweth his owner,.... Knows his voice, when he calls him, and follows him where he leads him, whether to plough in the field, or feed in the meadows;
and the ass his masters crib, or "manger"; where he is fed, and to which he goes when he wants food, and at the usual times. Gussetius (w) interprets the words; the ass knows the floor where he treads out the corn, and willingly goes to it, though it is to labour, as well as to eat; and so puts Israel to shame, who were weary of the worship of God in the temple, where spiritual food was provided for them, but chose not to go for it, because of labour there.
But Israel doth not know; his Maker and Owner, his King, Lord, and Master, his Father, Saviour, and Redeemer; he does not own and acknowledge him, but rejects him; see John 1:10.
My people doth not consider; the Jews, who were the people of God by profession, did not stir themselves up to consider, nor make use of means of knowing and understanding, divine and spiritual things, as the word used (x) signifies; they would not attend to the word and ordinances, which answer to the crib or manger; they would not hear nor regard the ministry of the word by Christ and his apostles, nor suffer others, but hindered them as much as in them lay; see Matthew 23:13. The Targum is,
"Israel does not learn to know my fear, my people do not understand to turn to my law.''
In like manner the more than brutal stupidity of this people is exposed in Jeremiah 8:7.
(w) Comment. Ling. Ebr. p. 13, 14. (x) a "intellexit". So Gussetius says it signifies a spontaneous application, by which you stir up yourself to understand; which is an action leading to wisdom, and without which no man can be wise, Comment. Ling. Ebr. p. 121.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
3. (Jer 8:7).
crib—the stall where it is fed (Pr 14:4). Spiritually the word and ordinances.
Israel—The whole nation, Judah as well as Israel, in the restricted sense. God regards His covenant-people in their designed unity.
not know—namely, his Owner, as the parallelism requires; that is, not recognize Him as such (Ex 19:5, equivalent to "my people," Joh 1:10, 11).
consider—attend to his Master (Isa 41:8), notwithstanding the spiritual food which He provides (answering to "crib" in the parallel clause).
Isaiah 1:3 Additional Commentaries
Judah's Rebellion
…2Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth; For the LORD speaks, "Sons I have reared and brought up, But they have revolted against Me. 3"An ox knows its owner, And a donkey its master's manger, But Israel does not know, My people do not understand." 4Alas, sinful nation, People weighed down with iniquity, Offspring of evildoers, Sons who act corruptly! They have abandoned the LORD, They have despised the Holy One of Israel, They have turned away from Him.…
Cross References
Isaiah 5:13
Therefore my people will go into exile for lack of understanding; those of high rank will die of hunger and the common people will be parched with thirst.
Isaiah 27:11
When its twigs are dry, they are broken off and women come and make fires with them. For this is a people without understanding; so their Maker has no compassion on them, and their Creator shows them no favor.
Isaiah 44:18
They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand.
Isaiah 56:11
They are dogs with mighty appetites; they never have enough. They are shepherds who lack understanding; they all turn to their own way, they seek their own gain.
Jeremiah 8:7
Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD.
Jeremiah 9:3
"They make ready their tongue like a bow, to shoot lies; it is not by truth that they triumph in the land. They go from one sin to another; they do not acknowledge me," declares the LORD.
Jeremiah 9:6
You live in the midst of deception; in their deceit they refuse to acknowledge me," declares the LORD.
Ezekiel 16:30
"'I am filled with fury against you, declares the Sovereign LORD, when you do all these things, acting like a brazen prostitute!
Daniel 9:11
All Israel has transgressed your law and turned away, refusing to obey you. "Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you.
Hosea 2:8
She has not acknowledged that I was the one who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil, who lavished on her the silver and gold-- which they used for Baal.
Treasury of Scripture
The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel does not know, my people does not consider.
Proverbs 6:6 Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
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Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in …
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I published my first (and thus far only) book at age 48. I can't imagine writing a book at 19, yet that's precisely what Alex and Brett Harris have done in writing Do Hard Things: A Teenage Rebellion Against Low Expectations. Alex and Brett are twin brothers who were homeschooled by christian parents teaching them a strong sense of personal responsibility. The wider culture looks at adolescence largely as a time to goof off before assuming adult responsibilities, while these young men came to understand it as a time precisely to take on those responsibilities and develop their gifts.
The brothers' efforts resonate with me strongly for two reasons. First, our daughter will be entering adolescence in a few years, and we want her to have good examples amongst her peers with which to identify. And, second, for just over two decades I have taught young people around the age of Alex and Brett. Those Redeemer students who gravitate towards political science tend to be much like these two brothers in other ways as well, with a strong ethos of hard work and service to God and neighbour. If this has given me a slightly skewed view of late adolescents, so be it. It's a beautiful view, and it makes my job a source of joy and deep satisfaction for which I praise God.
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A Few weeks a go i visited the show Racing Expo in Leeuwarden (The Netherlands). On the show my eye feld on this Audi A6.
The Audi has air supension from Bagvard and MRR hr3 20 Inch Wheels on it…
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bagged Audi's always look clean
So all we now have to do is buy a big tourer, bag it and put wheels on ?
And they're not even polished, they're diamond cut and lacquered.
forrealz. meh.
bagged not for me.
i could just drop it super low during shows, and then daily drive it at stock height. i mean… wth??
are you 16? sounds like it
or you could drive it low and park it laying frame. this whole air vs static thing is getting out of hand. Just more reasons people find to hate and split up the scene. Who cares. The joke is the ones with a weak air set-up that only allows for a couple inches of travel. That's MADE for those who drive high and wanna park low. The whole point of going air is to put your car on the ground. If you need to start cutting and notching, then do it. Isn't "ruining" cars what we do best?
I run air daily and do exactly that, run low, park lower.
My point was that all you seem to see now are big tourers bagged and with wheels then they appear on here. Seems to be the in thing at the moment.
There's no stance whatsoever on that car, it's just bagged and some half decent wheels, that's it. No thought gone into it, just money.
Worthy of sticking on here ?, not really.
car looks great btw. mrr's wouldn't be my first choice for wheels, but looks good nonetheless
Maybe is a WIP but I see nothing special in that car, from the "sadness grey" paintjob to the wheels.
No hating btw just a little too ordinary for me.
looks like every other audi out there..clean…but still just a silver wagon aired out over mrr.


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Sebastian Inlet State Park is a premier saltwater fishing location on Florida's east coast. Other activities include some of the best surfing on the Eastern Seaboard, swimming, boating, picnicking, and camping. There is also a museum on the site of the 1715 Spanish Treasure Fleets salvors' camp.
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Alternative Boat Ramps in the area include the City of Sebastian's Main Street boat ramps, Sebastian Yacht Club boat ramp, Wabasso Causeway boat ramp and Hinest John's boat ramp
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The SSBB for the Smash Stack has to be original? even if the wii is hardmodded?
Thanks Joostinonline for quick reply.
Yes i did format sd card. I also used tool on this guide to format. I've tried 4-5 times with no luck.
I'm very new to the soft mod, so i did'nt no much about modding the wii until i came across this site.
Like i said if i put the indiana PWNS files on they show up.
PS: Why is it a bad idea to uninstall.
The SSBB for the Smash Stack has to be original? even if the wii is hardmodded?
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Thanks again Joostinonline.
You've helped me lots. I'm going to give the soft mod a go Tomorrow, It's getting very late. (UK). 02.30 hrs.
I'm sure I'm going to need more help with this mod. I'm not saying I'm useless as I've done things like this before (PSP, DS).
It's just this seems more complicated. 166 pages on this thread, so I'm not alone.
I will click thanks tab once me soft mods up and running.
Thanks again
I have a Wii that is previously softmodded 4.1. from 1 year ago. I have run all my backup games from dvd no problems. I have softchip r99, gamma6 and cioscorp. I backed up call of duty black ops. Tried it and with cioscorp the start picture come in but that's it. Nothing else works. I tried softchip and it takes you to the loading screen and freezes. Gamma same thing. I then proceeded to a mod with the instructions here. Everything was going smoothly until priiloader. I got in to priiloader and enabled hacks. Can't get to options to boot system menu. I have gotten error 002 when trying to run game. When installing the priiloader I got error 006. I don't want to screw this up. With the SD out the wii operates normally with original disc. How do I get my wii back to optimum that can run most games. I want to install dark corp but I haven't been able to finish the priiloader step. I don't know if I should have done this over and already installed mod. Any help would be appreciated and I'm running 4.1u, had bannerbomb v1 and installed bannerbomb v2 over it.
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Awesome! This was my first attempt at hacking anything besides a handheld and this guide worked perfectly! Took me about 30 minutes longer than it should have but that's my fault lol.
Thanks for this guide mauifrog. I just recently decided to buy a pre-owned Wii from Gamestop because they were on sale for only $100 during Black Friday, and the detailed steps in this guide worked perfectly for softmodding it. I got a little stuck at the priiloader step because restarting while holding reset just kept bringing up the MMM and not priiloader, but then I saw that the priiloader hacks could be turned on from within the MMM.
Anyway, today, I burnt a backup copy of Mario Kart Wii and put it in. To my surprise, not only did it work in neogamma (I was expecting that), but it popped up in the official disc channel as well, and I was able to play it from there, just like the original copy! I didn't do the optional darkcorp installation in the guide, so I'm not really sure why it worked in the disc channel (but not complaining). Is it possible that the last owner of this Wii installed a modchip in it? That's the only explanation that I can think of for why the backups are loading from the disc channel if I don't have darkcorp installed. Unfortunately, I didn't test the Wii out with a burnt game before I did the softmod, so I have no way to test my theory. Or do I? Any ideas?
I you don't have DARKCORP than a hardmod is the only other possibility. Lucky you.