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The Gamesman, by Michael Maccoby
The Managerial Elite
The Gamesman.
by Michael Maccoby.
Simon & Schuster. 285 pp. $7.95.
Michael Maccoby is a disciple of Erich Fromm, and in this book he applies Fromm's hypotheses about the nature of modern life to an analysis of one segment of the American managerial elite. To Fromm, contemporary capitalist society is bad for the health; it produces human beings who fail to achieve their full, productive, "loving" potential and are alienated from themselves. Capitalism in Fromm's view has created a number of character types, among them the "marketing" or "cybernetic" type, a completely lifeless "nonperson" who is making the world a "sum of lifeless artifacts." Maccoby's book is at least partly designed to provide empirical evidence for the existence of such character types.
Maccoby and his staff spent a good deal of time and money interviewing a group of managers drawn from dynamic, high-technology companies, administering and interpreting complete sets of Rorschachs and a detailed, "objective" questionnaire. His book displays all the trappings of contemporary social-science research. We do not, however, find in it Fromm's exact character types. Maccoby's portrait of the businessman is softer than Fromm's. These managers, he was surprised to discover, are fairly "liberal" on many social issues, and many seem to him better integrated and more sensitive than some of his academic colleagues. Nevertheless, even the healthiest of them—so says Maccoby—is "alienated," unable to realize his full potential and incapable of developing genuine, "socially-oriented," "loving" relations. This alienation, in Maccoby's view as in Fromm's, is produced by capitalism and cannot be ended unless the "system" is fundamentally changed.
As Maccoby outlines his argument, the character types produced by capitalism have changed as American business itself has changed over the years. The first in order of time is the "craftsman" of the 18th and 19th centuries, the traditional builder, farmer, or artisan. This person's sense of self-worth derives from knowledge, skill, discipline, and self-reliance. His aim is to create something by mastering his material. Maccoby clearly likes this type, but feels he is a dying breed. Besides, while some craftsmen are genuinely democratic and "life-loving," even the most mature of them have not developed a deep understanding of themselves or others.
The "jungle fighter," Maccoby's next type, is rather more unpleasant. These are the robber barons of post-Civil War America, driven by a lust for power. The jungle fighter's pleasure lies in crushing his opponents. He wishes to be the only one at the top, and what he fears most is annihilation. Few of this increasingly outmoded type remain in the business world. Their counterparts in politics are Nixon, Johnson, and their ilk.
The third character type is the "company man." Here, Maccoby is indebted to William Whyte's 1950's portrait of the "organization man." This person is generally found in the middle-management ranks of the companies in Maccoby's study. He is a bureaucrat whose only desire is a secure position in the firm. His worst fear is failure, and his fondest wish is for the approval of his superiors. He is a "hollow" man, without real goals of his own. His political counterpart is Ford or Eisenhower.
And finally we have the man of today and tomorrow, the "games man." He is found among the managerial elite and is represented in public life by Kennedy or Kissinger. For this type, business (or politics) is a game. The emphasis is not on goals or social responsibility but on the joy of playing, winning, and constantly finding new options. The hero (or anti-hero) of The Sting, as played by Robert Red-ford, is the prototypical gamesman.
Gamesmen are not without virtues. They work well with people, they are not authoritarian, and in a sense they are "socially concerned." But they lack a capacity for full development, and their lives remain one-dimensional:
The fatal danger for gamesmen is to be trapped in perpetual adolescence, never outgrowing the self-centered compulsion to score, never confronting their deep, deep boredom with life when it is not a game, never developing a sense of meaning that requires more of them and allows others to trust them.
An old and tiring gamesman is a pathetic figure, especially after he has lost a few contests, and with them his confidence. . . . His attitude has kept him from deep friendship and intimacy.
What are we to make of this analysis? Once the social-science packaging is stripped away, is there anything in The Gamesman that lends it more credibility than Erich Fromm's original formulations about modern man? Maccoby asserts that he administered a questionnaire containing 229 items to 250 people, yet he offers no systematic analysis of the results to demonstrate that his types do in fact exist, or that one can differentiate among them. Indeed, in the one instance where he does provide a table with some summary data, it is so sloppily presented as to be almost meaningless. His data supposedly show that about half of the managers questioned checked "anxiety" and "restlessness" as personal difficulties, but we have no way of knowing from his presentation whether they indicated that these were minor difficulties or major ones; clearly, in a questionnaire of this type, even reasonably healthy people would check anxiety as a minor difficulty.
In interpreting the Rorschach protocols, Maccoby decided to use a thematic analysis rather than to rely upon formal scores. This is legitimate, but it opens the way to considerable subjectivity. There is no evidence that the author made any attempt to have his analysis of the responses checked by someone who was not familiar with his hypotheses or the persons being studied—standard procedure in any study which relies on thematic interpretations.
Finally, only five of the 250 people interviewed are reported on. There is no way of ascertaining how many of Maccoby's respondents really fit into which type, and we have only Maccoby's word that these five are anything but isolated individuals resembling no one but themselves.
Maccoby's extrapolations from his data are even flimsier than his analysis. He offers absolutely no substantiation for his contention that Kennedy and Kissinger were or are gamesmen (aside from a single quotation from Kissinger). Are we to believe that Kennedy displayed less commitment of the heart than Truman or FDR or Teddy Roosevelt? Why should we take Maccoby's analysis more seriously than that of James David Barber, who, in The Presidential Character, and with rather more evidence, calls Kennedy an "active-positive" President, i.e., a genuinely productive person with a deep commitment to moral issues?
In the end, Maccoby's typology is designed to serve a political-ideological position. Like Fromm, Maccoby assumes that a society of fully "loving" and "caring" people will spring into being once we change our present system of economic organization. His evaluation of his respondents is based on this vision. The fact that it is a vision widely shared in the culture of today, amounting in effect to a conventional wisdom, may account for the generally favorable reception this book has received, but it does not make Maccoby's presumptuous analysis correct or his interpretation of reality a true one.


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As Mr S prepares to tread the boards once more, his own label issues this single piece of musique concrete recorded to be part of an art installation in the titular island's major gallery to whet more adventurous fans' appetites. For those who found Sylvian's project with Fennesz and Derek Bailey, Blemish, a little challenging may be well advised to stop reading now. When Loud Weather…definitely sits in the box marked 'left field'
Conceived as a work in progress to be completed by the external sounds of the actual Chichu Art Gallery, When Loud Weather…is a collage of found sound, drones and contributions from a ensemble of big-hitters in the European avant fraternity including shakuhachi maestro, Clive Bell, guitarist Christian Fennesz and Norwegian trumpet/electronics genius, Arve Henriksen.
Moving between snatched conversation, tape hiss, meteorological ambience and the contributions of the above players, Sylvian hoped to create a 'multiple exposure' of the spiritual and emotional life of this ancient island where old and new exist cheek-by-jowl. The various sounds of the island are mixed into the original recording to give one a sense of how it must have sounded in situ.
A formal discussion of something so nebulous can only result in empty conjecture. But with such a stellar cast Sylvian's on safe ground anyway. All of the players involve have been responsible for some of the most beautiful music of the last few years. Not least Henriksen, whose angelic vocal chords are here used to stunning effect.
This isn't as such one of Sylvian's major works, but it shows how far the man has come in recent years and how carefully and wisely he's choosing his fellow travellers. Never less than beautiful, When Loud Weather... deserves to given space next to his more mainstream work.
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2 Blackbooks-different signal strength!
Hi there
Was sitting in a cafe in Chiangmai where i live. They have no internet but I get a signal from a nearby payable hotspot. Trouble is it's 1 or 2 so i never bothered subscribibg. My friend turned up yesterday and got strength 4. He had a blackbook same as me but much newer. Mine is from when they came out. His is new.
We looked at "about your mac" > airport card and found I had (0x168C, 0x86) whereas his was slightly different.....may have been 0x87 sorry can't quite remember.
My Wireless Card Firmware Version: 1.3.5.........his 1.3.4
Any explanations please it would be really useful to get connected there??
I can't explain the differences between the two machines, however, I can tell you that signal strength can depend on your location. This is the case at my favorite café. They have (free) WIFI there however it is a fairly large building space and signal strength varies depending on when you are sitting in the café. And it doesn't matter how close you are to the router, either. In fact, the best location is about as far away from it (in the building) as you can get!
This is just one guess. Maybe they improved the antenna on the newer Macbooks. Either that or they are using a newer Airport card that gets better signal.
Are you both running the same version of OSX? All updates installed? That can make a difference also.
where you on battery vs him being plugged in? powersaving stuff there.
what are you basing signal strength on? the little menubar meter?
that has what, 3 bars? thats not very accurate :)
didnt the newer cards in them just get updated in june when they got wireless n capable? i think that might be the difference.
Thankyou for your comments
John MacGeek....same location
Travis7.......points taken and will check
kgeier82.....both battery and yes just menubar signal bars
kkelly122.....that's what I'm interested to know.
Any further suggestions very welcome
i did a little digging a while ago for widgets for wifi signal, some were ok, some were not.
its probably a hardware difference, and not much you can do about it.
this is what i use:
thankyou very much for the input....much appreciated....I'll try portradar
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Andrews takes first in sheriff's race
Mike Andrews got a vote of confidence from Durham County on Tuesday, two years after stepping in to succeed former Sheriff Worth Hill.
Andrews, running in his first election, outpaced two Democratic competitors in the primary election. No Republicans ran.
According to unofficial results, Andrews took 13,304 votes or 56.28 percent of the ballots cast in the primary.
Barring a surprise unaffiliated or write-in candidate this summer, Andrews will get to keep the job.
"I'm very excited that the people supported me," Andrews said Tuesday night. "The people in my campaign worked very hard for the past three months. I'm excited that the results turned out in my favor."
He thanked his competitors for a clean race.
Clarence Birkhead, a onetime candidate for Orange County Sheriff and former Duke University police chief, had said he wanted to make sure people inside and outside the city limits of Durham were properly served by the department.
He finished in second place Tuesday, with 9,125 votes or 38.6 percent of ballots cast.
Third place went to Richard Buchanan, a 30-year veteran of the Durham County Sheriff's Office. He had run on a platform that called for more community involvement, including the enlistment of retired police investigators to handle cold cases.
He received 1,209 votes or 5.11 percent of ballots cast in the race.
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March 24, 2013
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BEAUMONT, Texas – The Lamar Lady Cardinals waited a little too late to get their bats going Sunday, as their three-run rally in the seventh inning fell short in a 6-4 loss to visiting Sam Houston State in a Southland Conference softball game Sunday at a windswept Ford Park.
The Lady Cardinals (14-19 overall, 5-4 Southland) got four hits in the seventh inning, but couldn't overcome a five-run deficit as Sam Houston State (16-17, 4-5) salvaged the final game of a three-game series.
"We left too many runners on base," Lamar coach Holly Bruder said of the 10 runners the Lady Cardinals stranded. "We didn't get the timely hits in the big situations."
Lamar left the bases loaded in the second and sixth innings. Eight of the 10 runners left on base were in scoring position.
One day after belting six home runs in a doubleheader sweep of the Bearkats, the Lady Cardinals failed to get any homers, while Sam Houston State belted two round-trippers. Shelbi Tucker hit a solo home run in the second inning to give the Bearkats a 2-0 lead. Tiffany Castillo hit a two-out, two-run home run off reliever Ashley Rey in the seventh inning to give the Bearkats a 6-1 lead.
"Castillo's home run was a nail in the coffin," Bruder said. "We scored three in the bottom of the inning. If we held them scoreless in the seventh, those three runs would have tied it."
Candyce Carter had three hits for Lamar, while Tina Schulz and Julianne Viator added two hits apiece for the Lady Cardinals.
Shannon Millman (8-8) started and took the loss for Lamar, picking up the decision in all three games over the weekend, as she was the winning pitcher in both ends of Saturday's doubleheader. Millman allowed seven hits and four runs, all earned, over six innings.
Castillo, Hillary Adams and Tucker each had two hits for Sam Houston State. Meme Quinn (4-4) started and got the win for Sam Houston State, allowing eight hits and three runs, two earned, over six innings.
"We didn't put the ball on the floor the way we did Saturday," Bruder said. "We hit too many pop-ups and lazy fly balls. I knew it would be tough to hit home runs today because the wind was blowing in. But give Sam Houston credit, they were able to hit two homers."
Lamar returns to action with a three-game conference series next weekend at Northwestern State. The teams will play a doubleheader on Good Friday and a single game on Saturday.
"It's nice not to have midweek games this week," Bruder said. "We'll get a much-needed rest."
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Men's Soccer Sweeps Conference Weekend With 4-0 Win At Fairfield
Oct. 10, 2004
Fairfield, Conn. - Freshman Frank Spanos scored his first collegiate goal in the third minute of Loyola's men's soccer match at Fairfield on Sunday. The goal would be all the Greyhounds would really need in a 4-0 win over its Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference foe.
"I'm happy with our effort today," says Loyola Head Coach Mark Mettrick. "We played intelligently and worked very hard for this result."
The `Hounds remain perfect in the MAAC this season, winning all three of this year's conference games on the road. After earning a 2-1 overtime victory over Iona on Friday afternoon, Loyola came out on the offensive with a balanced attack.
Spanos scored at 2:10, becoming the ninth Loyola player to notch a goal this season. Sophomore Rade Kokovic sent a perfect corner that resulted in a loose ball in front of the cage. Spanos cleaned up, beating Fairfield goalkeeper Andrew Frankel for the early lead.
Despite the early score, Fairfield kept the game close and went into halftime with more corner kicks (3-2) and just as many shots at Loyola (3-3), even though the `Hounds led by a 1-0 margin.
Kokovic, who set up the first Greyhound goal, set the table with another corner kick in the game's 58th minute. Freshman Janson Blake headed a shot off the crossbar that bounced out and over to freshman Camilo Correa, who doubled the lead with his first career goal.
The Greyhounds would take a commanding lead in the 79th minute with a successful counterattack. Mark Donnelly, wide of the 18, beat his man and sent a cross to Vinnie Piscopo's head. Piscopo, from six yards out, bounced the ball past Frankel for his team-leading fourth goals of the season.
The Stags sealed their fate only 42 seconds later, when a defender deflected Correa's pass into Fairfield's net for an own goal and 4-nil Loyola victory.
"Fairfield is a very good side," says Loyola Head Coach Mark Mettrick. "This was a closer game than the score-line would suggest. We're happy to get the win and now focus on our next opponent."
Sophomore Justin Chelland got the start for Loyola in goal and played well in picking up his first shutout of the season. Chelland made eight saves and improves his starting mark to 1-0-1 this year.
Loyola is 5-4-1 overall and 3-0-0 in the MAAC. Fairfield falls to 4-4-2 overall, while dropping its second straight conference game, falling to 1-2 in the MAAC. The Greyhounds host St. Peter's at Alumnae Field this Friday at 4 p.m.
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At the end of August, Hubby received an email from GAP/Banana Republic (BR) of a 20% off discount code for the UK. And as usual, he asked me if I'd like to get anything from GAP or BR.
I have been eyeing some of the BR The Mad Men Collection pieces since I saw it in the BR store in The Gardens MidValley when I was back in Malaysia. Initially, I wasn't sure if the discount code can be applied on this new collection. We tried the 30% discount for their US website, but it didn't work, and to our surprise, the 20% off for the UK site worked. Normally, knowing how retail-ing is in the UK and Europe, we'd think that those discounts T&C would be stricter.
I was thinking of getting the suit that the model on the poster for this collection was wearing. See here.
But it seemed that some reviews were not really raving about it, and when I saw it on the catalog online, it just somehow didn't quite appeal to me. The photo in the promo poster was so sleek and gorgeous though.
So well, I just settled for the lace shell in cafe au lait, as I could wear it with my other suits when I go to the office and for meetings. Obviously it's not meant to be worn when I go to the lab - a lab full of anatomical specimens at that! ;P
So here are some quick photos of the BR The Mad Men Collection Lace Shell in cafe au lait. Normal price was GBP35, after 20% off was GBP28! Not a bad deal, considering it's quite a new collection for Fall from BR! :D
It looks quite ordinary on the hanger....I shall post more photos for OOTD when I come around to wearing it. :)
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Back in 2000, I had just turned 12. My step dad and I went to Wyoming deer hunting. We hiked in deep and were set up glassing a hillside for hours. When out of nowhere we hear a tree start making some noise. This went on for about a minute then all the sudden this tree just falls over., No wind, Tree had no damage, Just falls...To this day one I still cant believe it.
It has to be the day I saw some movement on top of a 9,000 foot ridge and pulled up my binocs only to to see 2 people completely naked. NOT COOL PEOPLE! Put your pants on!
My Dad had the same thing happen to him. He sat in "my" spot under "my" tree one day and it fell over. He had to hold it up a bit and grab his rifle to get it and him out of the way. It was about a 12" pine snag, about 15' tall. Luckily it broke off about 3 feet off the ground so I still have a back rest!
Deer: Has to be the MD buck (nice old buck) I saw walking on his knees, sneaking away on his belly! Or, maybe the time where I watched my grandpa walk down a ridge and counted 7 bucks within 50 yards of him! I was watching in the spotting scope a ridge over, ready for him to shoot as he passed by each one, one by one, all the way down the hill. Funny thing is, he walked so slow and deliberate that he didn't spook a one! We got back to the pickup and I asked why he didn't shoot and he said that he never saw a thing! His eyesight wasn't too good (obviously). He never believed me when I told him, he is gone now. I sure wish I could walk in the woods like he could!
Elk: Dad dropped me off in a CRP field and took off on the road that paralleled as I walked through the field to the edge of a big drainage. In the CRP a big spike bull pops up out of nowhere and takes off towards the road on a dead run. The bull try's to jump the fence, gets a little to low, and does a summersault, head over heels, in the bar ditch landing it the road. At the same time, my dad is driving down the road and nearly runs off the road trying to miss the spike! You just can't make that stuff up. I was deer hunting btw, Elk opened the next day!
Dad and I were in the forest, pretty much in the middle of no-where, taking a break. We hear something coming up on us, we kind of get our guns ready and out pops guy with a purple sunburned face from the sun and berries. The guy was from Britain, with a strong British accent, he says that he started in Mexico and was making his way up the divide (it was September). When he left, he said "Cheerio", we had so much fun on that hunt saying "Cheerio" after that! One tough dude.
Found two spots where the Indians used to camp and make arrowheads, chips scattered all over, thousands. The rock came from somewhere else because that rock wasn't found where the chips were.
After over 50 years of hunting and fishing I suppose I could fill a book!
One year (don't remember which one) I was in Wyoming hunting antelope with my son and father inlaw. We were in camp in the evening getting dinner ready and I saw a couple of Golden Eagles just hovering stationary over some sage on a ridge. I got my binos and watched them as they swirled around in the wind. Suddenly a jack rabbit ran out and up it went to the next pile of brush. One of the eagles landed and stomped around flapping it's wings and made the jack run again. The other eagle was hovering stationary in the wind right over the brush and......POUNCE...they had dinner. Great teamwork, had never seen anything like it before.
One Thanksgiving morning we went pheasant hunting before the football game started (a tradition). We were walking an asparagus field when a cock flushed and flew perpendicular to all three of us as we walked the field, all three of us missed clean. The bird then flew right smack into a mobile home that was next to the field, killing the bird stone dead!
Dad then walked over and picked up the bird, he said there were two wide eyed kids looking out the window when he walked into the yard to retrieve the bird.
I watched a red tail hawk. Take a gray squirel of a limb. Then I watched a very large black bear cut my track. He sat there like a big dog. Sniffing my boot tracks in the snow. I whas only 25 yards away.
Outside of actual hunting stories, my most memorable experience happened while deer hunting on a powerline clearing. A couple does and fawns were coming from the east, while I watched an otter coming from the west. Neither realized the other was there until they were within 20 yards. When they saw each other, they both got the big-eyed look, turned tail, and ran back in the direction they came from.


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Very interesting Rated 5 out of 5 stars
Great concept and it works just fine.
I'm sure that it'll be useful and handy for those with color blindness.
I left some detailed feedback/suggestions on the sourceforge colorxtractor: IdeaTorrent.
I forgot to mention that you should submit colorXtractor to BabelZilla for help with translating it.


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I'm not sure how anyone can put up even the smallest defense that revolves around Sanchise.
I'm not sure how anyone can put up even the smallest defense that revolves around Sanchise.
You prefer the guy who has averaged 11 fumbles over a 4 year span over a guy who has averaged 8 in a 9 year span?
You didn't blow up anything. You didn't give context only showing what the score was at the start of the 4th. I care about the total numbers because it shows why the team was in that position to begin with. You must really like Tebow's win against KC. Who cares that he only completed 2 passes the whole game? I care. He wouldn't have been in the position to win without his D and running game, much like Mark in a lot of his comeback wins. The drastic difference in Eli's numbers and Mark's numbers in those games says it all.
Mark didn't just get good FP, he got carried all the way to the NE 15 yard line and made a 5 yard pass. That seems to be a big deal to you, but when Eli converts a 3rd and 11 on his own 19 with a 15 yard pass, and then follows it up with a 16 yard pass to Nicks that he takes the rest of the way, you call it a 5 yard pass and say it is no big deal. Eli threw the ball 31 yards in the air before the receiver did anything with it, and Sanchez only threw it 5 yards his whole drive. Yet, Marks pass is a big deal and Eli's is not.
I never said Eli didn't have help. I said he has contributed more to his team's playoff wins than Sanchez has. That is pretty obvious.
I call them garbage time points since that is what you do with any other QB who loses a game. I'm talking about stats in playoff wins. Why should I care that Mark nearly doubled his TD total in playoff losses, when you don't care about QB stats in losses?
Mark 665 yards 5 TDs and 2 INTs in 4 playoff wins.
Eli 2,073 yards 15 TDs and 2 INTs in his 8 playoff wins.
That tells us all we need to know.
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those fumble #s seem pretty similar, he may average 11 but this was the first season he had 11.
Comparing Mark to Tebow is silly and again those WEREN'T COMEBACKS. I can't go crazy over being tied or trailing by 1-2 entering the 4th.
You want context show all the weapons Eli had compared to what mark had, even at his peak in 2010(though Holmes missed 4 games and cotch missed a few games) Eli had vastly superior weapons.
We penalize the QB for RBs rushing the ball? 2007 title game, gets INT at GB 34, 2 runs for 5 yds they kick FG. It was all Eli, right? 2011 title game, gets FR at SF 24, 3 rushes for 18 yds sets up chip shot FG but it was all Eli!
31 yds in the air? the LOS was at the 34, Nicks caught it at midfield. It was a 16 yd pass.
he didn't contribute more, they contributed about the same. the reason one won and one lost was b/c of D/STs.
all losses are garbage time? I guess week 17 last year when Eli threw 5 INTs when NYG was eliminated is non garbage time?
Sanchez in wins 2009-2012: 45 TDs, 17 INTs
Eli win wins 2004-2007: 45 TDs, 27 INTs
very interesting.
That doesn't tell us anything b/c there are Hail Marys and short passes turned into 66 yd TDs in there plus balls sticking to helmets.
Eli had 282 attempts in those 8 wins. 25 per game
Mark had 94 in 4 wins. , 24 per game
Eli was 178-282, 2073, 15 TDs, 2 INTs
prorate mark's #s over 282 attempts:
174-282, 1995 yds, 15 TDs, 6 INTs
The #s are pretty damn similar, right? and Mark was in year 1 and year 2, Eli was in year 4 and year 7. BIG difference and Mark didn't have any balls stick to helmets, throw any Hail Mary's or have any WRs take a 14 yd pass 66 yds for a TD.
How about in playoff losses?
Mark( 2 games) 37-63, 490 yds, 4 TDs, 1 INT
Eli(3 games): 41-74, 443 yds, 2 TDs, 6 INTs
One has contributed MUCH more to losses.
By the way, below are the points the QBs led their teams to in regulation in postseason:
Mark: 20 PPG
Eli: 18.9 PPG
TOs forced by team:
NYJ: 8 in 6 games, 1.3 per game
NYG: 16 in 11 games, 1.5 per game
gets more TOs, leads team to less points.
I can't believe this Junc is still lobbying for Sanchez... I'm not even able to find humor in it anymore.
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Eli last 4 years: 13, 7, 9, 5
Anyway you look at it, Eli doesn't fumble as much as Sanchez. Plus he's never had a buttfumble.
Eli's role in comeback wins 2,478 yards 15 TDS and 2 Ints
Mark's role in comeback wins 1,507 ayrds 7 TDs and 6 Ints
Both guys got wins, but 1 guy has 1 more TD than picks, and the other guy has 13 more TDs than picks. It is easy to tell which QB played a bigger role in winning those games.
Eli 2,073 yards 15 TDs and 2 INTs in his 8 wins
Are you the same guy that doesn't like to use fantasy stats?
It is not fair to prorate Mark's numbers because he has never attempted 35 passes in a single playoff game. It is a completely different role. We have seen what happens when Mark has been asked to do more.
Seriously, you don't really believe that Mark is as good a QB as Eli, so what are you really trying to debate?
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He didn't blow the Atl game, the D blew it, he didn't help us win but he didn't blow it. he blew the NO and Buf games.
I am not discrediting, I am stating facts. We got a break w/ Indy, Eli got a break w/ a weak NFC in 2007, he got a break w/ a weak division in 2011. Good teams take advantage of those breaks.
Mark's last 4 years are his first 4, Eli's last 4 years are years 6-9.
He doesn't fumble as much, that's quite an accomplishment he only fumbles almost as much.
I don't judge based solely on wins, I rate winning pretty high b/c that's the goal but if a QB is leading his team to 30 PPG and not winning that's one thing but in most cases wins and losses come down to the execution of the QB so I weigh it heavily. I also use individual stats and all that but winning and scoring pts are most important for me when judging QBs.
AGAIN, those were not comebacks.
Eli has more to work with, if mark had those weapons he could do a lot more too.
a 15 yd pass on 3rd and 11 where he had 7 seconds to throw the ball waiting and waiting and waiting for a receiver to get open. what a great job by Eli!
You told me stats only count in wins so I posted those #s from wins.
I meant 35.
mark managed the games better, he didn't need to throw 40-58 times like Eli plus Eli played 2 OT games where he had an extra qtr.
mark has attempted 35 passes in a playoff game where he completed 61% of his passes, had 2 TDs, 0 INTs and a rating over 100 so it's fair to assume he can throw for 35 a game if need be. He didn't need to.
How are my averages off? We can't count OT since he got a extra qtr(even counting OT it's less per game), Eli has been SHUT OUT and led his team to 9 pts, the lowest amount Mar led his O
s to was 17 pts.
Eli led O's:
0 pts against Carolina
20 pts at Philly
24 at TB
21 at Dal
20 at GB(regulation)
17 vs. NE
9 vs. Philly(D recorded a safety)
24 vs. Atl
37 at GB
17 at SF(regulation)
19 vs. NE(D recorded a safety)
209 total pts in 11 games. 18.9 PPG
Obviously mark isn't as good as Eli is now but he was better in 2010 and w/ more weapons he can be as good or better than him again in the future. will it happen? not likely but it could.
Eli's role 2,478 yards 15 TDS and 2 Ints
Mark's role 1,507 ayrds 7 TDs and 6 Ints
Playoff wins:
Mark 665 yards 5 TDs and 2 INTs in 4 wins.
Eli 2,073 yards 15 TDs and 2 INTs in his 8 wins.
That is all that needs to be said.
We have seen what happens when the Jets have asked Mark to do more.
You can't compare a scoring average of a team's O and give all the credit to the QB. You can't compare a scoring average over 11 games to a scoring average over 6 games. What we can look at that will tell us the role the QB played in the playoff wins is their stats.
Mark 665 yards 5 TDs and 2 INTs in 4 wins.
Eli 2,073 yards 15 TDs and 2 INTs in his 8 wins
There is a better chance that Chad Henne becomes a solid starter than there is of Mark becoming as good as Eli.
When both QBs are done, Eli will be remembered as a 2 time Super Bowl MVP who was clutch in the biggest games. Mark will probably be remembered for his buttfumble.
When Mark has had quality weapons he's been in the title game each year.
but they both led a ton of GW drives those 2 seasons? who cares about the #s, it's about getting the Ws.
excuses? watch the clip at nfl.com. He had an eternity, you are trying to credit him for a great play as if Eli made the play w/ no help.
prorate Mark's #s to the same # of attempts and the #s are almost identical which means mark was just as efficient as Eli despite less talent and a D that didn't step up in title games.
I meant almost attempted 35 passes, 33 is pretty close.
Oh the D wasn't playing in the 2nd half? he barely had the ball in the first half b/c the D allowed Pitt to control the clock.
when they asked him to bring the team back he got us back w/in a score then the D failed AGAIN. if he had the NYG D he'd have SBs.
who is giving all the credit to the QB? just stating a fact that Mark's Os have scored more and the difference btw the 2 gas been the Ds and STs.
you can keep posting those out of context #s that don't help your argument all you want, prorate Mark's #s to the same # of attempts and the #s are almost identical.
That's more b/c of the situations they were placed into, switch the QBs and teams and the results are the same.


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An Interview with Deacon
Alexander Mumrikov
of the Russian Orthodox
From: INWARD PATH, Russian Magazine for Human Development (92)
Alexander Mumrikov is a physicist by education, specializing in charmed-particle accelerators and ultra high-frequency energies. However, after graduating from Moscow University in 1970, he developed an interest in social psychology, and Tibetan yoga and other Oriental philosophies. In 1975, he abandoned physics and went to work at the Andrei Rublev Museum, publishing several articles on icon-painting and divine services. In 1979, he returned to physics and began to model the atmosphere of other planets and interstellar environment. In 1981, he changed jobs again, becoming an altarist in a Russian Orthodox Church, and in 1982, the Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate asked him to head its department of theology and Bible studies. In 1989, he left the journal and went to live for a time at the monastery of St. Balaam in northern Russia. Two years ago he established a commune of the Life-Giving Cross of Our Lord, where he has been serving ever since.
INWARD PATH: FatherAlexander, you have chosen a road uncommon in the Russian Orthodox Church: You deal with groups of people, immersing them in a Christian vision of the world, but without having a base at any particular church or parish. What made you do that?
ALEXANDER MUMRIKOV: In the Christian tradition it was always considered that genuine concentration on your inner world and true religious faith can only be achieved by a monk or hermit. However, throughout the ages, only a chosen few could do this. In our day and age, people find it especially difficult to shut themselves up in a monastery, because monastic traditions have largely been lost, and besides, many find it hard to part with their secular way of life. I personally have a family and therefore cannot be a monk.
What those who lead a secular life can do is serve in the church. But this only provides a formal acquaintance with the tradition and doesn't give you the kind of intense spiritual development you achieve in a monastery. What's more, communal life has unfortunately left the Church, and human contact in church life is now reduced to praying together. After all, when people lived in a commune, they could help and support each other on their road to God.
That's why I've chosen a compromise: a road of spiritual self-realization—in secular life, not in a monastery. We have established a commune where we exchange knowledge, correct and support each other in our spiritual quest, pray together, and so on. A Christian commune opens the way to profound personal self-realization, but at the same time you feel you are part of the whole.
I.P.: What sort of people are in your commune?
A.M.: Mostly psychic people. They used to be interested in yoga, Buddhism, healing, and other related practices.
I.P.: Why did they join you? What do they find in Russian Orthodox Religion?
A.M.: Contact with God. Something you don't find in other practices. Other practices have taught them to cleanse their bodies and their minds, to use various forms of energy, and even to see and feel a world that is hidden from our eyes. However, in most cases their acquaintance with that other world was spontaneous and chaotic. During meditation, for instance, a person would come in contact with some sort of entity from another world, but had no idea of who or what it was or its influence.
I.P.: Like a puppy nuzzling up to different objects,trying to find its mother.
A.M.: That's right. Such behavior, although it does give some sort of idea of the world, is not very safe. But in the Russian Orthodox Church, the road of learning about a higher world and the destination have been charted long ago, through centuries of experience.
I.P.: I see. A straight path gets you to your goal—to God—much sooner. But how does one find that road?
A.M.: The Christian tradition teaches one to constantly turn to that other world, to address the saints, the Virgin, and through them, Christ. This prepares one for contact with God. But to come into contact with any being, you've got to know his language. In the Russian Orthodox Church that language is prayer, and you must mention the name of the higher being whose support you want. There is a prayer for each saint, for the Virgin, and for Christ.
I.P.: Is the prayer, and especially the name of the saint, perhaps like a wavelength that brings you in contact with that saint—a bridge between this world and the other?
A.M.: Yes, perhaps.
I.P.: Then, by the same principle, you could even contact God?
A.M.: No. Contact with the saints only prepares one for communication with God. Man, because of his physical nature, cannot communicate directly with God—he has lost this ability.
I.P.: Is it because the human mind can't withstand the intensity of vibrations from such contact?
A.M.: That's right. To communicate with God, you must first develop a special organ—the so-called spiritual heart. Potentially, that organ exists in every human being, but to be able to use it, you've got to awaken it. However, the spiritual heart cannot function constantly. St. John of Kronstadt said the spiritual heart dies every day and is reborn each time we pray. It's like a candle: now it burns, now It goes out.
"During meditation, for instance, a person would come in contact with some sort of entity from another world..."
I.P.: So the aim is to develop that organ and make its functioning as continuous as possible?
A.M.: That's correct.
I.P.: But what is that organ like? Does the spiritual heart have anything in common with the physical heart, or with what yoga refers to as the heart-chakra?
A.M.: The spiritual heart isn't a physical organ. Nevertheless, it's considered to be somewhere in the chest, a little above the physical heart or at its level in the middle of the chest, in other words, where the Oriental tradition places the heart-chakra. I think the heart-chakra is directly connected with the awakening of the spiritual heart: that chakra is a channel through which the spiritual heart functions.
I.P.: But if the spiritual heart is not manifested physically, how can you tell where it's located and whether it has awakened or not?
A.M.: When the spiritual heart has awakened, you feel a kind of burning, an influx of energy, a feeling of peace in your chest. When it only starts awakening, you feel pain in the chest. At first it's like heart pain, often quite strong. Those who don't understand what's happening, think it's heart trouble. We've had cases in our commune when people felt acute pain at the time when their spiritual heart began to awaken. Doctors thought it was a heart attack, but cardiograms showed no heart disorders. Objective evidence spoke of good health. When the action of the spiritual heart expands, you may feel pain in your chest or even your shoulders. At first the area of action expands, but then it is localized and forms a kind of sphere in the middle of your chest. After a while the pain goes away and you feel the action only once in a while.
I.P.: What methods does the Russian Orthodox Church offer to awaken the spiritual heart?
A.M.: Fasting, humility, meakness, charity, and so on. One of the most effective means is prayer. Above all, the so-called Prayer of Jesus, which the old monks used to practice. It goes like this: "My Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." In this prayer you pronounce the name of Christ, and that's very important, because He is one of the hypostases of the Trinity. So by pronouncing His name, you address God, and this enables you to tap, as it were, into the highest spiritual energies through your heart. In former times, Russian monks explained it like this: God enters your heart and resides there at all times. They combined the Prayer of Jesus with breathing exercises and kept saying it continuously throughout the day. They would reach a state where the prayer would constantly resound in their heart. This became known as a "self-motive prayer." They could be busy doing all sorts of things, while at the same time the prayer would constantly ring in their hearts. This constant contact with high spiritual energies enabled them to go without food or sleep for long periods of time.
I.P.: Do you think the city dweller of today could reach this state if he started practicing the Prayer of
A.M.: Theoretically, one could. But you've got to be very careful. Once, you could start practicing that prayer only under the guidance of a spiritual teacher, and prepare yourself for a longtime. The Prayer of Jesus is dangerous because it immediately carries you to a very high spiritual level. If you start saying the prayer many times a day, but then stop after a while, you can expect trouble. You could, say, be left face-to-face with the horrors of your own subconscious. There have been such cases in our practice
"To communicate with God, you must first develop a special organ —the so-called spiritual heart."
I.P.: If you practice the Prayer of Jesus and other methods offered by the Russia n Orthodox Church , does this guarantee that the spiritual heart will awaken and you can communicate with God?
A.M.: No, but this greatly increases the chance of such contact. Because the spiritual heart is not given as a" reward for something, it's a gift from God. It can be bestowed on an individual who, in the eyes of others, is utterly unworthy of it. It often happens like that.
I.P.: How does this affect one's life?
A.M.: First of all, things stop happening by accident. You feel a remarkable logic in the events around you—in other words, events seem to "conspire" to promote your spiritual development. You begin to see your whole life as continuous learning. You begin to have various difficulties, which you and those around you may see as trouble or tragedy. In actual fact, God provides these situations to teach you to overcome your attraction to the material world. In the Russian Orthodox Church, it's thought that if you begin to have problems, it means God loves you more than others and gives you a chance to develop by coping with those problems, by overcoming your ossified, inert state. If you choose that road and ascend to a higher spiritual plane, then your problems— whether a physical ailment or strained relations with others—become resolved by themselves.
Those who have embarked on the spiritual road also get help and support from higher entities-saints and angels. This support can be expressed in various ways: a prophetic dream or a miracle-working icon. The higher entities also respond to any request which doesn't have a selfish or ulterior motive. I had a case in my practice. An old-age pensioner was afraid the soaring rate of inflation would soon leave her with nothing to live on. She prayed to God and asked Him to help with some money. Her request must have been so sincere and ingenuous that it was heard and soon she won a large amount of money in a lottery.
Besides, when your spiritual heart has awakened, you often get a clear understanding of things which ordinary people find hard to fathom. You are literally "led by Spirit." You feel an influx of a higher heavenly energy, or the Holy Ghost. The influx of that energy makes you understand the inner logic and profound meaning of everything in the world. Creative people, like poets and artists, experience this from time to time. In an attempt to get down to the root of things, they sometimes stumble into that state.
"When the spiritual heart has awakened, you feel a kind of burning, an influx of energy, a feeling of peace in your chest."
However, in the Christian tradition this entails certain difficulties. You become somewhat unbalanced. This is because you are trying to break into a higher world that is concealed from us mortals, whereas God Himself must reveal that world to you in reply to a request or prayer. In this case you feel an influx of spiritual energy.
I.P.: But can a person cope with it?
A.M.: Yes. Divine Grace is such that spiritual energy comes to you in quantities that will not destroy. That's why you have to be a humble child before God. Open your heart to that energy, and it will come.
I.P.: Thank you for this insight into Russian Christianity.
A.M.: I considered it my honor.


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