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The beginning of this month was a week of firsts for Burma's famed pro-democracy opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi. She won a seat in parliamentary by-elections and, unlike after her party's overwhelming victory in 1990 that was immediately nullified by the ruling junta, was granted her seat on May 1. She was then awarded her first passport in 24 years, which she will use to fulfill other firsts: she will address both chambers of the British parliament, and she will travel to Norway and deliver her Nobel acceptance speech. (She won the Peace Prize in 1991 but was put under house arrest.)
The European Union had already agreed to suspend its economic sanctions against Burma, and on Friday U.S. officials said they would suspend the prohibition against American investment in Burma. This is both a momentous decision and a risky one. As Reuters reports this morning:
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Myanmar democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi have discussed the need to protect against the country backsliding on reforms.
The U.S. on Friday said it would suspend a ban on American investment in the country also known as Burma. It was the Obama administration's most significant step yet to reward Myanmar for its shift from five decades of authoritarian rule, although rights groups criticized the move as premature.
The State Department said Clinton called Suu Kyi on Sunday night, and that they agreed Myanmar's progress remains fragile. Clinton said the U.S. was keeping its sanctions' authorities in place as an insurance policy.
In March, I asked if Burma will be considered a sanctions success story. It's too early to tell, of course, but if handled well the process could turn out to be a much-needed feather in the cap of sanctions enthusiasts. But there are three reasons not to rush the lifting of all sanctions.
First, there is no sanctions-related humanitarian crisis. I pointed out that leading economic indicators and conversations with officials had enabled Min Zin to make a convincing case that "it's not western sanctions that are causing Burma's economic woes. It's government policy." So while lifting the sanctions would certainly help Burma's economy, it doesn't necessarily need to be rushed.
Second, Aung San Suu Kyi's freedom and election to parliament are powerful symbols–but, at this point, symbols nonetheless. As the Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month:
Underscoring the continuing problems, Ms. Suu Kyi, 66-years-old, delayed taking her seat in parliament for several days despite her National League for Democracy winning 43 of 45 open seats in by-elections on April 1. She and her colleagues complained that the oath of office required them to swear to safeguard a military-drafted constitution which reserves a quarter of parliamentary seats for the armed forces.
In addition, changing the constitution requires at least 75 percent of the votes in parliament, effectively providing the army with a veto over any constitutional changes….
Ms. Suu Kyi is unlikely to have much of a voice in the legislature, at least for the time being. She and her fellow legislators from the National League for Democracy comprise around 8 percent of the total number of seats in the parliament.
Suu Kyi's side backed down and joined parliament anyway. (Almost surely the right thing to do, rather than risk losing the momentum and goodwill of the moment.) It is not until the expected general elections in 2015 that the future of free elections in Burma will meet its next real test.
And third, both sides will want to do their best to ensure the cement dries on any democratization. There will be a strong impulse on the part of the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton-led State Department to explain away backsliding on the part of the Burmese regime in order to protect the legacy of the administration's Burma policy. We all remember the countrywide collective cringe at Clinton's assertion of evidence that Bashar al-Assad was a reformer just a year ago. And President Obama's reaction to the 2009 Iranian "election" and ensuing protests was to just keep mumbling the word "dialogue" over and over to himself while ignoring the brutal reality playing out on live television in front of him.
For a "suspended" sanctions policy to have any teeth, the administration must be willing to admit if and when steps are taken in the wrong direction. To be sure, thus far the regime's behavior has been worthy of its plaudits, and the process has been encouraging. A guarded optimism and a bit of patience may get Burma, eventually, to freedom.


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DirectX 11.2 will be a Windows 8.1 and Xbox One exclusive: Microsoft dangles the upgrade carrot
- By Sebastian Anthony on July 1, 2013 at 11:31 am
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Microsoft has confirmed that DirectX 11.2 will be exclusive to Windows 8.1 and the Xbox One. With DirectX 11.2 offering some cool new features, and yet no clear technological reason for making it an exclusive, it would seem that Microsoft is attempting to tease Windows 7 and XP holdouts into upgrading to Windows 8.1.
DirectX 11.2 made its debut last week at Microsoft's Build conference, where it was released along with Windows 8.1 Preview and also demoed on stage by Antoine Leblond. The standout feature appears to be Direct3D tiled resources, which allows developers to easily use both GPU and system RAM to store textures. On stage, Leblond showed us a high-res game demo that apparently used 9GB of textures, most of which were stored in system RAM. You can see the same demo (albeit not shown by Leblond) in the video below. The whole thing is quite interesting, but you can scrub forward to around the 28-minute mark for the goodies.
Beyond tiled resources, DirectX 11.2 introduces a slew of interesting and potentially quite powerful features. GPU overlay support allows for multiple draw planes, so that developers can ensure that their 2D art is always outputted at its native resolution, while 3D scenes are drawn to a second, scaled pane. Direct3D low-latency presentation API gives apps a route to present frames with lower latency, potentially allowing for more a more responsive UI. SwapChainPanel and SurfaceImageSource could both result in faster apps and games. HLSL shader linking will allow devs to create libraries of precompiled shader functions, and link them into full shaders at run-time. A complete list of DirectX 11.2 features and changes can be found on MSDN.
Computer historians and astute gamers will recall that Microsoft pulled the same stunt with DirectX 11.1, making it a Windows 8 exclusive; likewise, DirectX 10 was exclusive to Windows Vista, leaving XP users out in the cold. As we now know, neither of these maneuvers resulted in Windows 8 or Vista being massive commercial successes. With Windows 8.1, however, the timing is slightly different: The Xbox One will arrive around the same time, and hopefully most of the games will use the new features offered by DirectX 11.2.
With the Xbox One now being based on an x86 architecture, and the operating system sounding suspiciously similar to Windows 8, it should be very easy to port games to Windows 8.1. [Pre-order the Xbox One now.] In short, Windows 8.1 and the Xbox One will have access to some powerful features — and for once, we might actually see a rapid uptake of games that use these features. This could very well be the beginning of a gaming renaissance.
Finally, as a curious aside, DirectX 11.2 also won't be coming to Windows 8, despite being virtually identical to Windows 8.1. Or perhaps, as Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade for everyone already running Windows 8, maybe it isn't that surprising. It would be interesting if this was a hint from Microsoft that Windows 8.1 will actually be a mandatory update for Windows 8 users, but that's pure speculation at this point.
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More Microsoft scam at work to screw their customers up as much as possible.
They spent time and money developing new programming tools so they should just give them to everyone for free? I'm sure if it was your business you'd make it Win3.1 compatible.
Matthew Bryant
You'd have a compelling argument if Windows 8 was better than Windows 7. It isn't. It's much worse. I despise Windows 8 and I refuse to upgrade to the piece of shit no matter how cool DirectX 11.2 may be.
Windows 8 isn't that bad. The problem is that it was clearly designed with touch screens in mind. If you don't have a touch screen, it's clearly worse than Windows 7.
Mitch Aubitz
By the way, going from 7 to Windows 8 (got a free copy from my grandfather as he bought into the 35$ windows 8 pro deal) the memory usage is just freaking amazing… 1 GIG. out of 8 being used compared to 2/8gb of my system ram when I used Vista and 7. I rarely go over 4 gigs now when heavy gaming and Since its 6.2 (6.3 with Windows 8.1) its just a more polished longhorn OS.
So i'd upgrade if gaming is your thing. Most likely they are going to release Xbox One games through the Windows 8.1 store if they are virtually the same architecture and renderer.
Matthew Bryant
Windows 7 uses about 700-800 MB of RAM. You're doing it wrong. Windows 8 uses more.
Microsoft already stated they aren't releasing Xbox One games through the store. It wouldn't be possible for most games. There's no way to compile the low level API code for Windows 8. Besides, I'm not a big fan of most Xbox exclusives. I'm not a huge shooter fan, and that seems to be the vast majority of what Microsoft has to offer on their console.
When Microsoft decides to give me an option of using the classic look in Windows 8, then I might switch (maybe). Until then I have no interest. Neither do most PC users. It's anti-consumer crap. There's no good reason they can't provide both UIs. They just want to force the box nonsense on everyone. I hate the Windows 8 UI. It looks beyond fugly.
When you can create anything more useful than fanboy nerd rage you get to chose how it's used.
Glenn Scott
Only available on Windows 8.1?! Well crap! I'll just go out and buy a tablet and upgrade now!
Latest version of DirectX will only be supported on two (so far) very unpopular platforms?
Good, maybe this will be the nail in DirectXs coffin that gets developers to switch over to OpenGL.
Thats why xbox one is Number one in preorders right? it was only unpopular when it had drm
salvatore heaphy
check your facts, stop blurting crap out you dont know anything about. The ps4 is crushing the xbox worldwide at all retailers. Here is just one example.http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Pre-Orders-Make-It-2013-Best-Selling-Console-Amazon-So-Far-57145.html
no it aint
Don't you know how to use google?
Barry Ferguson
Yes, it most certainly is. In fact, if you read the link salvatore put up, the OUYA is out-selling crapbox one in Canada
Ray C
Crapbox? People are going to buy both systems. I simply have failed to understand the need for negativity against either system.
Both systems, yes, I have a PS4 and a Wii U. There goes the two good systems to own this generation.
Matthew Bryant
Another emotional gaystation fool, LMAO! PLEASE, keep smokin crack,..maybe it'll take another dummy off the planet!
Could you provide a source for this?
As pointed out by salvatore, the PS4 is still vastly outselling the Xbox one on Amazon, despite the fact that it has been completely sold out for some time now.
If that is not enough, have a look at Gamestop (http://www.gamestop.com/browse/consoles?nav=28-xu0,13ffff2412) stand-alone PS4 is currently sold out and still outselling the Xbox one. Additionally, the Battlefield and COD PS4 bundles are outselling their Xbox one counterparts.
Matthew Bryant
No, PS4 still significantly leads in total preorders at Amazon and Gamestop. Try again fanboy.
You're the fanboy. kik was only stating a solid fact. it is far popular now then when it had DRM.
Ray C
LOL you must be joking. Microsoft doesn't need for Windows 8 to be number 1 in market share to sustain it. I'm glad so far because a lot of analyst expect 8.1 to speed up Windows 8 sales at least somewhat. I could see it reaching 10% share by year's end. Windows 8 has still been out less than a year. If it had been out much longer and MS was doing this I could see the complaint. They're still dealing with people having to get used to a new OS, over-reacting negative articles, and waiting on XP to die. At some point there will be growth.
As for X-Box One, any who thinks either one of these systems is not going to sell and one will leave the other completely in the dust is just crazy. Pre-order figures from just a few sites doesn't really mean much. We'll have to check both system's figures a year out.
I have no idea what you are getting at here, but my original comment merely is talking about the fact that when a developer looks to develop a new game, they are going have to pick a graphics language to develop and optimize for.
They can chose to optimize for a language that might have 10% market share on PC's and less than 50% on consoles, or the can optimize for a language that is widely available for nearly every computing device currently in use including smartphones. If I were a developer, it would be a no brainer. With the convergence of the next generation of consoles and tablets around the x86 architecture, cross platform development is going to be easier than ever. Why would a developer then artificially limit themselves to only a small (or at least smaller) segment of the market when they could generate revenue from the entire market with very little additional development cost.
Barry Ferguson
Forcing people to get Windows 8 for the new Dx is almost evil. That being said, it is also probably going to bring more people to Win 8 than any other single act aside from actual launch. If you have to trick/force people to use your OS, it has failed. I don't know why I'm still trying to demonstrate the failure of Win 8. Its failed. Massively. Everyone knows it except redmond and its fanboys.
Balmer needs a head transplant.
And this surprises whom? They keep it to force people to their latest crapware or suffer… And we just let it continue… Because Windows 7 is sooooo old and useless… God M$ makes me sick sometimes…
Unfortunately only other choice really is apple or Linux, they know it and feel free to screw the consumer as they like!
True… ALTHOUGH; Linux is becoming more and more acceptable even for pure gaming rigs… Especially with companies like Steam/Valve doing pure Linux conversions (for Steambox) of their engines. Maybe it's finally coming around. All of my systems are Linux accept my main gaming rig and main HTPC (wish I could find a good bluray player for Linux. if anyone know one yet, legal of course, let me know). And I have 12 active boxes in the house… Maybe people are finally getting sick of it enough that enough conversions are happening to make it doable soon. (hoping)
Actually, I wounder how long it will take for someone to crack it for win 7 and make a redist package… I wouldn't put it past the current group of people. From what I've looked at, there isn't hard core changes, just tweaks to DX11. It's not DX12…
http://www.facebook.com/lon.beyer Lon Beyer
Sorry but no. Linux is far from 'acceptable' in the gaming rings. Until dev's support it natively, and they won't.
Not true. There is actually quite a bit of Linux support in the gaming community, especially among the indies. Plus with the PS4 being a Linux build… that will really make things interesting going forward… No windows there…
I keep hoping Linux will become a new norm for PC's and programs developed directly for Linux and then we can all have another alternative to Microsoft and their abusive policies, and greed.
How much did you pay for your copy of Windows? How much does the average game cost?
2014 is going to be year of Linux!!!
Ray C
I doubt it. With new products in 2013 from Apple and Microsoft, they're both setting themselves up well for 2014. A lot of people seem to be taking issue with some of their new products, but I think by the end of 2013, people will get more used to the changes both have made and a lot of the negative chatter will die down, and we will see them setup well for 2014.
it was sarcasm, thought it would be obvious, but then again there are a lots of guys who really think so, my bad lol :D
Ha, your joke went right over my head. I have been hearing it every year for so long I assumed you were just another dreamer.
For it to ever be the year of Linux they would have to dumb it down as much as Windows is and these same Linux fan boys who want Linux to crush Windows would never want that. They like the complexity of Linux, even though they deny any complexity exists. It doesn't make any sense to me but whatever. I've tried it and had trouble and I'm far more advanced than 99+ percent of the PC users out there. I install Windows, fix virus infections, fix all the other screw ups that noobs to to their systems and build my own and customers PC's. But yet I have trouble with Linux. As it is it will never be the year of Linux as far as mainstream use goes.
Unfortunately there's no "official" Blu-Ray support for Linux. I've been waiting for it myself and while there are ways around it using libaacs and libbluray, it doesn't work for all of them due to different encryption methods.
I wish Linux would become bigger and I wish that day would come sooner than later so I could finally get rid of Windows for good.. but let's face it, this day likely won't come. It keeps getting better, it keeps getting more user-friendly, easier to use, yet the people still aren't drawn to it. It has everything people would normally want in an OS whether it be choice, customization, stability, eye candy, etc. yet the majority of people still think the only thing you can do on Linux is type commands in a black box.
People say it's because devs won't support it natively, but devs don't support it natively because people aren't using it. Vicious circle.
Lets not forget its also a money issue.
HOPEFULLY, with the PS4 being on a Linux build this time around… although it's their flavor obviously… Some bastardized FreeBSD core it seems, perhaps the BluRay player might make it out finally. They always DID have the best stand-alone player, even over PC software with the PS3. We can hope.
AFAIK, the PS2, PS3 and PSP OSes are based on code from FreeBSD and NetBSD. I haven't verified the Vita's OS yet, but I'd wager that it is also a BSD derivative, and I wouldn't be surprised if PS4 was the same.
Those are different from Linux, (BSD as a whole long predates Linux) although to end users, it is quite similar (both are UNIX-like OS's).
GOD !!!!!! here we go again, Fuck!
And Microsoft doesn't even bother with k-y.
Well! congratulations Microsoft for another screw the customers, use what we make, no matter how much consumers dislikes, or we will continue to penalize you more and more!!! A heartfelt response of FU Microsoft!!!!!
1) Don't like Skype? Eliminate messenger!
2) Don't like live? Eliminate hotmail!
3) Don't like win 8? block sales of win 7!
4) Don't buy win 8 still? Make all upgrades win 8 only!
I reiterate FU Microsoft!!!
1) I still don't like Skype… Yahoo actually works but use it so rarely. WebEx works nice but have to get your friends on it… etc… Unfortunately, everyone uses Skype…
2) Won't use either. I use Gmail (along with my Android phone)
3) Glad I have a dozen OEM licenses of 7 on the shelf… Still BS they lock to the motherboard…
4) THIS is utter crap. There has to be a way to battle this one and it may come down to hackers doing the work in the end but… Even with the latest version of 8, it's better but as an admin, I still hate it. (and nothing to do with start menu/metro, etc).
Sadly Microsoft is killing PC makers as well with win 8, PC licensing forces them to load win 8, and no other choice for the masses of buyers other than apple. Maybe Microsoft is trying to force consumers to go apple? AHAHAHA
Apple is EVEN WORSE than MS when it comes to making you use their own eco system. And you know it. Not a thing outside of an Apple product works with it unless Apple makes it or it comes from their distribution. At least for a PC you can't say that's true there wide variety. So I found the comment really wreaking of hipocrisy. While I don't agree with making DX 11.2 Win 8.1 only my only advice is don't get it. Then you go without either way stop the whining. Just don't upgrade and be happy with DX 11 as it is. I don't get it $#%@
They are consolidating multiple products that do the same thing for Skype, live, hotmail, and messenger. You can't really complain about restructuring of free products. As for blocking windows 7 it's a Industry call on them. I personally don't mind Windows 8. I have all the functionality of 7 plus goodies of windows 8. I don't utilize touch screen and I use desktop when needed, I don't know what the fuss is about. I like having multiple choices in my OS. All these people crying foul because they want to be limited to a desktop need to seriously consider that what they are really telling MS is, "Please limit me to old software since I don't have the mentality to learn new features."
Matthew Bryant
Windows 8 is an unnecessary change to a product that works (Windows 7). I don't need my OS to advertise to me. That seems to be the main thing Microsoft wants to do these days in the entertainment sector. It's beyond ridiculous and they will continue to lose market share until this changes.
This argument was dead a year ago and some of you still just don't get it. If you don't have touch support stick with Win 7 the upgrade isn't worth it. For those of US that do have touch screens Windows 8 is fantastic in comparison. The same as Windows 7 with touch support SUCKS in comparison to 8 that is designed for it. And vice versa. But STEAM BIG SCREEN is absolutely a work of art on Windows 8 touchscreens. And it's mostly affecting people who cant' afford the big touchscreens complaining about it. If you don't know how to use gestures and fingers to communicate and you like the old way of doing things than stay with 7 and stop whining but what Windows 8 does it can do much better than Windows 7 where touchscreen support is involved. The touch pack for 7 is crap compared to 8's native support. And it is the future just like how the mouse is a dead breed for gaming so will it die as the way to communicate with your pc. Eventually camera (Ex Kinect is coming for Win 8) you won't need a mouse at all. Watch Minority Report to learn more the future is here. if you don't want to move ahead stay with 7 but to say 7 is better than 8 is like saying the older 5.0 Mustang is better than the newer 5.0 Mustang. NOT even a comparison. Things evolve maybe you should it's not very impressive on a resume when you put on it that you know Windows 3.1, Word Perfect and know BASIC programming. In the trash it goes.
Robert Clements
1) Don't like Skype? Use Facetime or Google
2) Don't like live? Use Gmail
3) Don't like win8? Use OSx
4) Don' buy win 8 still? EXACTLY!
I used to like it when they name DX9a,b,c at least there was a difference but not enough to call it DX10 or 11 like they do now. By all means they should left it as DX10.1,.2.,.3 not much of a difference to call it DX 11 yet.
We don't need to worry about this, A good hacker will modd dx 11.2 to make it work in Win 7.
http://www.facebook.com/lon.beyer Lon Beyer
still waiting for dx10 support on my xp rig…
Matthew Bryant
Windows XP died when Windows 7 released. The same is not true of Windows 7 when Windows 8 released. People will not deal with the steaming pile of shit that is Windows 8 just for DX 11.2.
Barry Ferguson
Fuck microsoft. Still not buying Windows 8. I'll move to playing exclusively PS4 and use Fedora if I have to.
Yeah Linux and Mac OS are looking more tempting by the day.
David Rios
then don't buy It nobody's forcing you.
Ray C
Why take it so personally? It's just a software release.
Wow, what assholes. They can't sell you Windows 8 so they instead go to work making Windows 7 obsolete.
If they hadn't been so lazy and actually made 8 a worthwhile upgrade, I'm sure many people would have bought it. Assholes.
sure, let's continue to upgrade and bring new stuff to Windows 7 till 2020 while we are here.
Did I say that? Fuck off troll.
No, but you implied it. Windows 7 will not be supported forever. Microsoft does not add new features to outdated operating systems (nor does anyone else, for that matter). You are expected to buy the latest to get all its features.
A little polite back and forth would be nice, by the way – or is swearing the only way you feel able to effectively communicate?
They can add them they just don't want to. I guess MS expect you to buy a new OS every 4-5yrs Just for some new features. I like the idea of upgrading once every 8yrs for a new OS.
But they have no reason to spend money and resources and time to add them for the "legacy" users, business and upgrades have never normally worked in that way, in the business world it makes no sense to spend time and money porting something to an OS you don't even sell anymore.
Matthew Bryant
It's still being sold…
No I didn't imply anything. Windows 7 is a very popular operating system, but I didn't say to support it forever.
A polite back and forth doesn't involve making troll comments.
it's not like they will stop making games compatible with window 7, they will just turn off a couple features. hell, even xp is still supported on DX9c by a lot of stuff
There is nothing outdated about Windows 7, and any forced obsolescence will be very bad PR for Microsoft. An OS should have as long of a shelf-life as the hardware that it runs on.
Yes, I suppose you're right. Microsoft will be much better off allowing everyone to stay on DOS rather than forcing them to buy this new-fangled Windows thing in order to gain new features. I had forgotten that businesses don't really make money out of SELLING THINGS, or from designed obsolescence.
Matthew Bryant
Windows 7 isn't 25+ years old. Are you really stupid enough to believe that was a valid argument? What an idiot…
Yes, ad hominem attacks really work when trying to persuade others to your point of view, don't they. And you complain about the "validity" of my argument? You may wish to consider the application of logic. To be specific, a logical extension of the suggestion that "forced obsolescence" is bad for business.
To be clearer, for those in the cheap seats: you do not need to buy Windows 8. Keep using what you're using. But don't expect previous versions of Windows to be supported for ever, or to automatically be given the "new and improved" features that are implemented in the current version.
Matthew Bryant
When Microsoft creates a better OS people will flock to it just like they did with Windows 7. Windows 8 is crap. It's forcing an interface change for no good reason. I won't update to Windows 8. Ever. Furthermore Windows 2000 was supported for over 10 years. Your argument seems a little early. Try it again in 7 years.
Matthew Bryant
It's a better OS, why not? It's the only good Windows since Windows 2000.
Dhiren Khandel
Not to mention make it cheap as chips. Apple did that well and it worked for a quite a few people. £13/20 is nothing really when you consider the idea that Apple test massively on the experience and deliver something that has less bugs than you expect. With windows you always hesitate because in booting it out the door they neglect things and that means loopholes and bugs/glitches. So even then you'd be a little sceptical.
Bill E Weaver
PS4 is inferior, XB1 cloud+shape audio+tile processing+advance camera+better controller=better console.PS4 only looks good on paper, XB1 doesn't even need to use their full 5gb of dedicated ram to pull off 9gb worth of ram, lets not even talk about the cloud advantage.
Lets translate that, 499$+50$ for a cloud service I don't want or need(sounds more of a mandatory)+ a camera no one wants= no thanks. Had they come out with the ilumiroom instead of the camera maybe more people would reconsidered.
Cloud rendering, whether you like it or not, is a very interesting and powerful feature, I wouldn't be surprised if it made it to PC and I see little reason why the PS4 can't do it. If done well the performance advantage could be huge.
I don't think that the cloud will be rendering much lol. Rendering is done on the graphics card, the latency would be too much doing it online.
I'm guessing you havn't heard about or read up on this technology?
There are a lot of parts of a game that arn't latency(Or FPS) sensitive, like the distance/background, but may still contain lots of content you want to render(Would be great in many MMO's), cloud rendering works by rendering these parts of the game on the cloud(Who'd of guessed) and sending it to the system, either sort of imposed as a video, or in a similar to NVidia's shield streaming (Where it sends sort of semi-rendered data). This frees up the system memory and resources to be used to increase frame rate or detail of the main rendered area, while still having extreme render distances.
Of course this is just one of many examples, the hardware used will presumably be servers packed with Radeon SKY cards.
Funnily enough I'm reading up on it now, sounds interesting. This article is pretty good: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-xbox-one-cloud-transform-gaming
The dedicated servers will be very welcome – I hate it when someone quits and we all have to wait for another host to be chosen.
As for the cloud rendering parts of the game – we'll have to wait and see how it compares to the PS4 a few years into the release. If we're talking pre-rendering, then it might be just slightly improved loading times between levels, as the PS4 could do it without the cloud.
I'm still undecided as to which way I'll go, the Xbox is looking more appealing now they've made a U-turn on the DRM crap, but it's still more expensive and I don't really care about Kinect. Illumiroom looks awesome tho… decisions.
It's probably best to buy based on the exclusive games, both are on a pretty level playing ground in terms of DRM, hardware, ect
The Xbone does cost more but it seems to have more multimedia/cloud features.
Really I'd say you're making a decision between a load of indie games and games some more original triple-A's like Uncharted, or many big blockbuster(But more predictable) triple-A titles like Gears of War, Halo, ect.
Well I've read that the PS4 has the edge in computing power – 1.8 teraflops vs 1.2, and to be honest I prefer having more local computing power vs cloud computing. Whether we'll see the difference on games though is another thing. Most top titles will probably look very similar, as they do for the PS3 and Xbox 360.
I'm probably going to wait a while anyway, I'm not in a rush this time round. I'll see if there's any reliability problems with either machine – I had 2 360s die and don't want a repeat of that.
I read the article it's very interesting, much better explain than the article ET made.
So they seem they want to make the cloud mandatory which is only going to add more $$, you would get better performance but what if you won't opt for the cloud, how will the games performance play without the service of the cloud? Also there is the issue of latency and bandwidth, what's the minimum speed they can tolerate?
The way I see it, what they are trying to do is to use the X1 as an
intermediate so you can play like a high end PC through the cloud. I'm not sure if I got it right but if it's going in that direction I don't like it.
Yeah basically it's no use for real time stuff, due to the latency being more than 100,000 times what a CPU or GPU is used to. So from what I understand, it'll be useful for pre-calculating things like light maps, which doesn't sound too impressive. I'm sure the PS4 could do it on the CPU, it has 8 cores after all.
Persistent online worlds will be good though – the idea of a living breathing world that's run by a ton of servers is nice, but what worries me is how long will they want to support it?
And dedicated servers are most welcome, anything that improves multiplayer is good.
But I think this cloud thing really is a bit overrated – it's certainly not going to improve graphics like people are thinking, and I also don't want to depend on an online service to play my games. Time will tell I guess.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have dedicated servers for consoles? like when you play a MP game as in the pc?
I'm willing to trade some special effects for some decent A.I, seems kind of pointless having to depend on the cloud for some special effects. But if it is to add new maps/worlds/levels its a welcome. Now the thing is right now the service is 50-60$ if it takes of with success I can only thing the price will go up towards the 80$
On most games for console games are P2P based rather than dedicated servers.
If money is a worry you could probably go PC for a fair amount cheaper(Especially when you count in the cheaper games and free online), and considering Kaveri should be out around that time, you won't have to sacrifice that much for a budget build.
I'm already running llano I really don't see myself upgrading any time soon, except for a video card. I knew console games were P2P but that they didn't have dedicated servers I did not. Maybe finally pc and consoles would be able to play the same game online.
ill leave this here from the article you posted.. the conclusion…
"Microsoft needs to prove its position with strong ideas and practical demonstrations. Until then, it's perhaps best not to get too carried away with the idea of a super-powered console, and there's very little evidence that Sony needs to be worried about its PS4 specs advantage being comprehensively wiped out by "the power of the cloud".
Dhiren Khandel
And what happens when these servers go down? Huh? Or did you forget the number of attacks big firms like Sony receive on a daily basis? Microsoft aren't invincible even if the media hasn't reported any serious attacks on them. These servers also need maintenance. Or lets say your internet conks out for whatever reason and you merely want to play games to pass the time. What you have to suffer performance drops for something that isn't your fault!? Little things like this make us dependant on the internet even more so.
That's the same with many things in life, there's far more chance of my console/PC breaking than my internet going down(In my memory my internet has never really gone down for more than 60 seconds(Normally a fault of my own, I don't think I've ever actually had an ISP mess up).
With all multiplayer games there's the problem of servers eventually going down, not just ones that utlilise the cloud, and with all electronic devices there's problems with things breaking that isn't your fault.
I doubt it'll really be performance drops, just things won't look quite as nice or load quite as fast, it's probably no where near as bad as having to use a disk to run the game from each time(Which really does bring major performance drops).
Dhiren Khandel
That is my point though, you are asking the consumer to invest over £400 in your product. Give some serious assurances as to the quality of your product and any doubts the critics say. They made Sony's job so much easier no wonder the staff were laughing at them. MS shooting themselves in the foot and consumers lose out. Yeah servers go down but not more than for a day-ish. I was trying to draw attention to the failure rates and even in some cases build quality. At this price its not that much more to invest in a good pc rig. Probably you are right and it won't impact too heavily on actual performance but still a risky proposition. Consoles have certain niches which they are good for but if you are going to catch some of the remaining loyal pc gamers that isn't the way to do it. Cloud computing hasn't exactly been amazingly popular either depending on who you ask given the choices of hardware available. I hope they prove me wrong but all I see is potential and no steps unveiled in unlocking that potential or time scales. You are gambling essentially as a gamer on it working out.
Matthew Bryant
Bandwidth makes this impossible. You obviously don't understand how this will work. First off the servers are virtual and will use a fraction of the host's power. Second this is computing not cloud gaming. The video cards will be far less useful than you believe. Nothing is being rendered server side. It simply receives data, runs functions, and sends it back. Very little can actually be sent this way at a time though, because upload bandwidth is only around 200-500 KB/s for most users (and that will use up all of their upload bandwidth). Given that the CPU and GPU will be processing thousands times more data per second, it's just ridiculous to believe this will matter. It's PR nonsense that's meant to be a band-aid for their console which is considerably less powerful inside.
your just making shit up. microsoft hasnt shown anything.
games like The Crew and The Division dont even use Microsoft servers. And they are the "cloud" heaviest games of E3.
btw this isnt new.. its called MMOs
I think MS's biggest advantage is the fact it owns several data centers (in fact 5 in the top 10) and is building more of them. This could lead to a huge cost advantage in favor of MS cloud computing compared to a Sony approach having to rent space within existing data centers.
Dhiren Khandel
Its actually not going to help anyone. Think about ping rates and broadband speeds in general. Even in the most advanced countries western countries you'd find it hard to implement such a system. Perhaps in some of the fastest broadband places you'll get it done but 1. no guarantee of popularity 2. that puts your investment at risk and 3. the mass target audience won't play ball. At the very most they'll offset some of the textures and lighting to be processed before you play a level or chapter of a game and try scramble performance its lost to the ps4 but it doesn't change the fact that its a complex and heavily reliant network based system. Partially this is why there is so much resistance to it. Are they naive to think the world is ready for something like that? It was only a decade ago that consistent broadband speeds were an issue and depending on the location and company that is still a huge issue even today. So there is little to be optimistic about. Its still firmly pointing into the direction of DRM. Also confirms Microsoft dividing its interests and going for the living room then accepting that people will have different devices for various purposes like Sony and it should be purposeful for what its primary use is. To play games.
Matthew Bryant
Bandwidth and latency make it a laughable band-aid to their inferior GPU and RAM (in terms of graphics processing). It's not a feasible platform. No matter how amazing the virtual servers may be that are being used for cloud computing, you still can't send more than 1-2 MB/s for the majority of people, and that'll make their internet unusable for anything. Not to mention upload bandwidth makes this solution horrendous. It's PR nonsense. Reality exists.
James Lawrence Murphy II
300000 servers is huge, why do you think sony hasn't announced how many servers they'll have?
You need the Kinect to use Illumiroom anyway. If they bring it out this gen the Kinect will be completely justified, that way "not having the Kinect" isn't a problem
You need the Kinect to use Illumiroom anyway. If they bring it out this gen the Kinect will be completely justified, that way "not having the Kinect" isn't a problem
Dhiren Khandel
Right that's why the PS4 uses dedicated GPU ram like GDDR5 and the xbox 1 uses soon to be outdated DDR3? Come on dude its okay if you want the xbox one but don't try justifying it to yourself and convince others. Not all of us are buying the vision by Microsoft and just because they turn back on DRM now doesn't mean they will stay that way forever. Am I the only one who doubts their allegiance to gamers next to profits? Personally I'll believe it when I see it. Until then I'm quite happy bidding my time. Who knows it might even become affordable if it flops?
Matthew Bryant
I hope they have some good food in your alternate reality to serve up with your huge helping of denial…
What the hell.
XB1 may look better on your mind.
But PS4 looks better on paper.
Bill E Weaver
PS4 is inferior, XB1 cloud+shape audio+tile processing+advance camera+better controller=better console.PS4 only looks good on paper, XB1 doesn't even need to use their full 5gb of dedicated ram to pull off 9gb worth of ram, lets not even talk about the cloud advantage.
Hope you enjoy your crappy xb1 cause it have the same as the other the red light of death. And ps4 has cloud base just like xb1 plus they have alot better game and are way out selling xb1 so I don't think xbone will be better plus if had slow connection kiss the cloud good bye
Have you heard the term minimum requirement? The cloud feature can mean for multiplayer game such as Titanfall, Skyrim online, or halo. If you think cloud powered in every game such as mirror's edge then you don't grab the cloud powered concept.
I am speculating here, but if you buy modern warfare 10 for instance, the back of the box will show online multiplayer with minimum requirement of 3 MBits. Is it MS fault if you buy it knowing you only has 750 KBit?
Not really going to say much about cloud gaming cause I haven't seen it yet I pass judgement then
Dhiren Khandel
Except that the visions of the two companies differ wildly. Microsoft are targeting the living room domination and sony are going for the gamers. As far as my personal experience goes both consoles have their fair share of issues and that is definitely not a good sign. Who wants to pay for something that breaks or has limited life span? You buy something expecting it to stay playable until a kid does something stupid like drop it or pour liquid on it etc, not after 3 years and then you need to buy another one. All that does is prop up sales figures and influence the stock market.
Microsoft is targeting everyone, unlike Sony with their PS3.5.
Dhiren Khandel
Yeah sure MS is targeting everyone but that doesn't mean they will succeed. Sony made it clear they are targeting gamers but we shouldn't neglect the fact that they will bring many apps media influenced to the consumers.
Oh. but we should neglect the fact that Microsoft is making/publishing more games and securing more exclusives? Microsoft will succeed. regardless of what sony is doing. all sony does is sit back and wait to see what Microsoft is doing and then act accordingly.
they saw that Microsoft was getting shit from idiots on DRM. and they got scared and decided not to use it and remove their crap eye toy, and lower the price by $100. just to win people over at E3 and the fanboys ate it up. i wasn't a fan of the DRM but at the same time i didn't mind it.
Sony is spineless and their fanboys are pathetic, well all fanboys really…. the only reason im getting a PS4 is because of Naughty dog. Xbox One will be my Main console yet again… because they seem to be innovating more and has more then just gaming up their sleeves.
kinect 2.0… illumiroom, all those 300,000 servers for the gamers. having Steven Spielberg make a halo tv series. not to mention they may even change the Xbox Ones specs last minute and up the ram to 12 GB. and much more stuff they have yet to reveal.
but yes… all sony shills care about are exclusives. lol… whatever. sony came out with some TV app called Playstation TV and all their fanboys were quiet… pathetic. i will seriously laugh.. if microsft shows signs of being on top once they release… because i believe in Karma and i believe that it will make the Sony shills shove their feet in their mouths.
so i say enjoy ridiculing and sabotaging the competition with fake petitions to bring back the DRM and spreading rumors and scaremongering with the kinect, it's not going to matter and it's not going to work.
at the end of the day i dont care what anybody is getting. i just find it funny that people are really this desperate for sony to stay on top.
Dhiren Khandel
Microsoft knows it needs to invest heavily in gaming to win the gamers over after its awful implementation of DRM and its U-turn on it. They confused many people and were not clear on how it will effect people on a grass roots level. What Sony did make clear on their pitch was that people could give and receive games as they do now and there wouldn't be much if any change over how people did that with their new console.
What else would you expect Sony to do other than respond to what its competition does? Just because you didn't mind DRM doesn't mean the masses didn't mind DRM. A big company will listen to the masses of its target audience.
True Microsoft have a lot in the pipeline but it remains to be seen how it will all come together and in that sense the PS4 looks a lot more organised and well thought out. Regardless I won't be getting either and I feel that a lot of people won't jump into buying either platform straight away. Its a lot of money and for some the PS3 is pretty good.
*Sigh* I wondered how long it would take for the fanboys to arrive with the same tired worn out "mines better than yours" rants :)
Anyway, I noticed here and in a few other places, that some gamers suggest this is unique to the XBox One and hence it;s not available on the PS4, but I don't see how that can be so when it's a hardware feature, and since (as far as we know) both consoles are using modified versions of an AMD GPU, surely that means hardware tiled resources is supported by PS4's GPU as well?
If so, then would that feature benefit more from XBox One's 32MB eSRAM or PS4's GDDR5 memory? If it is unique to XBox One and future PC GPUs, then is that part of a modification requested by MS? Those are the questions I'd like to find answers for, therefore I look forward to more information about tiled resources in future.
I hear you man
I hear you man
tiling resources is not limited to win8.1 or xbox one. you could get it on linux or even on win xp if you want, by using opengl. ps4 will have the same to.
Thanks for the reply. I thought that, however my question was really about hardware support for that feature rather than software support, which was the main advantage mentioned in that presentation. Hence do the GPUs of both the XBox One and PS4 offer hardware support for tiled resources, or was that a modification added to the GPU for the XBox One only and for future PC GPUs? Is the GPU of the XBox One fully Direct X 11.2 compliant, is the GPU of the PS4. Those are the questions I hope to have answers for :)
yes, it is about hardware support. software support for this have been used before i think by id software in rage 4. amd is currently the only vendor to support this in opengl, nvidia hardware do support it too if they can claim to be dx11.2 but they have not implemented it in opengl yet. ps4 and xbox one both have amd gpus, and since amd support this feature in both opengl and dx there will be shared res in both consoles.
Excellent. Thanks for the confirmation :)
Dhiren Khandel
As informative as the launches were I, as a pc gamer, was certainly far from impressed. No expected dates/pricing immediately or actual revealing of how they see the future not to mention a huge lack of timescale. It was more a cagey affair and clearly secretive as to curiosity as to who is planning what whilst also trying so hard to surprise the consumers. Hardly wonderful for the customer who wants to make an informed decision. I didn't watch either event but after reading numerous articles I'm not prepared to invest in something with 2 different purposes. Its a lot of money and the only real guarantee is that developers will make or break the platform in terms of support, extracting performance from the hardware, ease of which to implement their innovations and of course fixes and bugs as well as ports.
I don't care what anybody says! I will not buy any console for at least 6 months or longer after they are released… There will be many bugs and glitches and I bet you Microsoft will come out with another version of the Xbox one that will be better than the original. The Ps4 looks good but there will be problems with both consoles so why rush out and get that first troubled version that wont really have many games to play at launch as well? Both consoles have a lot to prove!
You people hate on MS for everything. How about, sweet, MS made some cool new development tools!
No we don't hate MS we just love them to death.
Good news for Xbox One… Looks like they are keeping it under wraps with any articles on this being few and far between
Thumbs down to the MS baldy
dx 11.2 dont mater goin to look the same as dx11
Screw you, MS. The vast majority of PC users over the next few years will be Win7 users, just like XP now, and game makers will release games that run on DX11.1. Infact, because Win8 will be the minority, they wont even bother to make games that take advantage of DX11.2. So you can go fuck yourself.
I think DirectX in general is on the way out, but in the games where DirectX does live on, I only see it living on as DirectX11.2 because of the Xbone ports.
Personally, I am glad Microsoft is doing this sort of thing. They are continuing to alienate their core, long-time customer base: the PC user. Even though the world is chanting the gloom and demise of the desktop PC, I don't see it going away. There are a plethora of uses that a tablet just can't replace within the home and the workplace.
I look forward to the day that a company such as Apple or Red Hat or Canonical takes enough of Microsoft's business away that they begin a huge tumble and fall from the top of the hill. It's already happened with web servers. IIS and Windows Server once dominated that, but are now relegated to a distant second behind Apache and Linux.
So, Microsoft…go ahead…force upgrades…don't provide backward compatibility for more than 4 years…alienate your customers.
With cool games coming out on Steam, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before they are install-ready for Linux from CD or DVD using OpenGL rather than DirectX. And at that point, I'll have zero reason to ever look at that ugly Microsoft logo ever again.
God bless you, Microsoft. I hope your determination to force upgrades in an effort to sell new products despite lack of public appeal…leads to someone else pleasing customers more and causing you demise.
Good luck.
Dhiren Khandel
Definitely agree with you there. Computing is profitable to no end. Hopefully the competition gets a leg up on them. I'm tired of MS doing little things like this trying to entice people to adopt windows 8. The fact of the matter is that no one is convinced win 8 is actually any good. A general performance increase is not going to even get anyone to spend £25 let alone the actual stupid RRP price. Be smart don't be a retard. You alienated desktop users with something that takes a good while to get your head round. I hate tablets. They are useless. Ultrabooks are great but tablets are just a fancy toy to myself.
Yeah, I'm sick of the bullying MS likes to do. And something else I've said before, I dislike that Microsoft has gone to using spin to sell product rather than practical examples of how it improves life over what they offered before. Microsoft has, to me, become a big snake oil sales company.
I dunno that tablets are useless. These are the uses I found for my tablet (which is Android 4):
– streaming satellite radio via my hotspot at the office
– using during travel on the road in my car to look at maps
– sitting on the coffee table to look up TV listings
Although it's not *totally* useless, I see the tablet as not very useful in all my computing endeavors. For example, true software development would be near impossible on a tablet. Playing games on the tablet would be impossible…both visually and input wise.
It has a limited scope of uses. It's a tool that, IMHO, should supplement the use of a desktop or laptop PC, or used in its limited range of practical use.
But, it's not going to be the demise of the desktop and/or laptop PC. Sorry to break it to all these prognosticators who say it is.
Dhiren Khandel
Indeed and that is my point in question. They've done a lot to encourage uptake like end support for Windows XP. The market is so settled with Microsoft and who wants to learn a new platform or pay extreme amounts of money for something that actually does what they want it to do. That is actually why I'm surprised at LInux not penetrating the market. MS is poking fun at people and screwing up but not feeling the consumers cracking of the whip. So many distributions and a fair amount of help on offer for newbies. Changed a lot from the last decade when literally to do anything you needed the command line and it was all very intimidating for a casual user. AND ITS FREE how can you go wrong? If it sucks go back to MS and it comes with everything you need like a web browser, chat systems, office suite etc. The average consumer could easily do with it plus apps are hitting their stores and its been common place for Linux to update itself and plough on without making you restart unlike Windows which begs you to do it. This is pretty awesome when you consider what Apple did to try avoid that inconvenience like make that whole remembering system thingy when you reboot. I forget the name. FREE is FREE and you can't say no but I'm betting too many people don't know about Linux even though their PlayStation uses the kernel and their Android phone.
As with a lot of things that are unknown to the masses, there is a fear of change and the unknown.
Yep, Linux has changed a LOT in 20+ years. I used Yggadrasil Linux back in 1994, and another version of Linux (can't remember what it was) in college in about 1992 shortly after it came out trying to to configure the X11 interface with it.
Yesterday just as a simple test, I made a simple list in a spreadsheet in LibreOffice Calc, saved it in XP/97 format, and opened it in Excel with no issues whatsoever.
My best friend uses nothing but Linux now. He runs Steam on it and all sorts of games. He uses stuff like QEMU and Wine and what not. And at this point with Windows 8.x, I'm on my way to leaving Windows. Paying $200 per PC to get a file search improvement is not worth it to me. In fact, XP does everything I need for now. Hopefully Linux will implement all the hardware support I need for newer hardware.
I'm ready for the change. Microsoft (as well as Linux makers like Canonical) have jumped the OS shark IMHO. Tablet support I have no issue with. Making me use a tablet-focused interface on a desktop…I do.
Dhiren Khandel
Fear of change is one thing but benefiting from it in more ways than sheer monetary value is worth taking a chance on. MS has been so sloppy and the competition is showing them up. I'd have paid for windows 8 if it was dirt cheap and not a rip off at £25. I had to spend the whole day learning short cuts and how to cope with Metro. That's not worth £25 let alone the £10/£15 Apple charges for its new OS.
I can't say I've used Linux that much! I used a few versions of Ubuntu before hand but really got a bad impression of it as I figured it was pick up and play when it didn't support my wireless drivers and I was screwed.
Steam committing themselves to the platform will help. Gamers are the main people that use desktops and slowly Linux is getting its ass through the door. The fact that OGL is kicking the crap out of Direct X means that developers should stand up and notice. This would give Linux a bigger push as I'm unhappy at its progress in terms of punishing MS.
MS have resembled Intel is the sense that they are slowly turning their back on the customers that got them where they are in pursuit of new customers. MS got performance increases on Windows 8 but that doesn't excuse their incompetences.
The reason why newer versions of DirectX are only available on the latest versions of Windows is because they require updates to the Windows kernel itself. In the case of 11.1, a new version of the graphics driver model had to be updated. Now they could back port that to older versions of Windows, sure, but why do it? From a resource stand point it certainly doesn't make sense but there's also the issue of flat out breaking backwards compatibility with existing stuff when doing it too.
So maybe instead of bashing Microsoft, you should just look up the facts a bit better next time?
were did you hear that the kernel itself need updates to utilize dx11.2? how come it is possible for opengl to use all the same features as dx11.2 on win xp than? all that is needed is to update the api and the gpu drivers. unless ms made a poor design desision so that cant be done.
http://www.facebook.com/tim.jordan.56884 Tim Jordan
You are right, this is only an API backend optimization. The interface did not change. The code implementing the API changed as to make it faster. There is no reason why it does not work other than Microsoft locking it out.
But mindlessly bashing a company for doing what any company would do is fun!
Ray C
Yeah I agree LOL
http://www.facebook.com/tim.jordan.56884 Tim Jordan
With computers now a days delivering content, interactive or otherwise, like TV did, so OSes are now like TV networks delivering this content. That means that OEM's should supply us with a channel clicker so we can switch seamlessly between OSes. Like with virtualization or duoboots.
We are not hold-outs. Windows 7 works just fine for the vast majority of users while Windows 8 looks like it was designed specifically for touch screens. I have no interest in a cluttered interface that provides negligible performance improvements or UI enhancements. Just because Microsoft has a new OS to peddle does not mean we need it.
So don't buy it. There are plenty of people who have decided XP is good enough. Of course, their choice of operating system is a lot less secure than some more modern choices, and is missing a lot of bells and/or whistles, but that is entirely their choice.
I agree with you about Windows 8's design. I'm an early adopter, but having grabbed Windows 8 at the cheap introductory price I also grabbed Classic Shell to give me back a start button. I spend very little time on the tiled interface, booting directly to desktop – but there are advantages other than tiles. And I got the software at a price that isn't likely to return any time soon.
I just get annoyed/frustrated when people say "I don't want Windows 8, but I want to choose bits of it that suit me". That isn't how business works. You don't buy an iPhone with Android installed. Adobe is now forcing users into subscriptions (I have my own beliefs about Adobe's relationship with the devil). A cable company won't allow you to buy just the four channels you really want.
Somehow I've ended up defending Microsoft in this thread. The only people I hate more than Microsoft are the Judean People's Front (wait, can I add Sony, Adobe, and half a dozen other enemies?), but I am aware it is a company that is in business to make money for its owners. That is life in the modern economy, and sometimes it is convenient to forget.
So don't buy it. There are plenty of people who have decided XP is good enough. Of course, their choice of operating system is a lot less secure than some more modern choices, and is missing a lot of bells and/or whistles, but that is entirely their choice.
I agree with you about Windows 8's design. I'm an early adopter, but having grabbed Windows 8 at the cheap introductory price I also grabbed Classic Shell to give me back a start button. I spend very little time on the tiled interface, booting directly to desktop – but there are advantages other than tiles. And I got the software at a price that isn't likely to return any time soon.
I just get annoyed/frustrated when people say "I don't want Windows 8, but I want to choose bits of it that suit me". That isn't how business works. You don't buy an iPhone with Android installed. Adobe is now forcing users into subscriptions (I have my own beliefs about Adobe's relationship with the devil). A cable company won't allow you to buy just the four channels you really want.
Somehow I've ended up defending Microsoft in this thread. The only people I hate more than Microsoft are the Judean People's Front (wait, can I add Sony, Adobe, and half a dozen other enemies?), but I am aware it is a company that is in business to make money for its owners. That is life in the modern economy, and sometimes it is convenient to forget.
Lance Guinto
If piracy won't kill PC gaming, Microsoft is giving it their best try.
Why release a new feature exclusively on a very unpopular OS?
Just what the hell is so wrong with Windows 8? can anybody explain to
someone who couldn't give any less of a shit? i only use my computer to
browse the web. and a few other small things, so again…. what is so
wrong with Windows 8 that people love to bitch about and want to avoid
like the plague.
my only issue with it is the lack of a Start button. that's it…
James Michaelis Franklin
The fanboyism is pathetic in the comment section
Gennessis Ocasio
There is benchmarks which compares performance with many high-end system on windows version 7 and 8.0 along with 8.1 Cut the crap. All we hate is the interface of version 8.0. Even though I hate the interface design, the performance on a stable PC is better compared to 7.0.
I'm running windows 7 till 8.1 is out.
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This story has been developing somewhat over the last week or so. What happened was that Pickled Politics posted a Guardian article from 1986 which alleged that Paul Staines, AKA Guido Fawkes of the eponymous and higly influential Tory blog, tried to form some sort of 'joint action' team between the Federation of Conservative Students and the British National Party. Staines then threatened Pickled Politics and other bloggers who'd carried the story with legal action, suggesting that the man who likes to root around in Labour MPs' histories ought to have some sort of immunity himself.
So Pickled Politics removed the article but it has been reposted by several other blogs now… the cat' very much out of the bag on this one. Personally, I always thought that Guido was far too smug-Tory for my liking. Never trust anyone who suggests that Labour have some sort of monopoly on dodgy behaviour in Westminster. Oh, and don't believe the hype.


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Topic: Adeccoligaen: Hamarkamaratene - Lov Ham
HamKam comes from three wins in a row and only the goal difference keeps Bodo/Glimt in front at the top of the table. Have only conceded points in their home matches, 2-1-1 on the first four at home.
Lov Ham took their first win since the start of the season when they managed to win over MK a week ago. 0-1-3 and no goal on their four away matches.
HamKam should win this match without any problems at all. I believe 1.35 in home odds is actually playable in this match. HamKam to win with more than 1 goal could also be a option at 1.85. And the match should end with plenty of goals. Eventough 1.50 for over is low, it is playable in this match I believe.
Hamarkamaratene to win, Hamarkamaratene to win with -1 handicap and Over 2.5 goals.


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