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Iframe irony: Adblock Plus is probably the reason Firefox and Chrome are such memory hogs
- By Sebastian Anthony on May 14, 2014 at 11:31 am
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Here's a lovely bit of irony for you: Adblock Plus, which is by far the most popular add-on for Firefox and Chrome, is actually increasing the amount of memory used by your web browser, rather than decreasing it. Furthermore, ABP also increases the amount of time (and CPU cycles) required to render a website. Instead of making web surfing more responsive, ABP actually makes your surfing experience slower.
This might seem counterintuitive at first — after all, ABP blocks all of those annoying animated Flash ads from loading, and so it should save you from unnecessary memory and CPU hits. Unfortunately, the actual situation is a lot more complex than that. Basically, ABP has grown too big for its own good, and just the very process of running ABP in your web browser consumes more memory and CPU cycles than it saves.
To begin with, according to Mozilla developer Nicholas Nethercote, there is a 60-70MB memory hit having Adblock Plus run in the background on Firefox. The main problem, though, is the process by which ABP actually blocks ads. Basically, ABP inserts a massive CSS stylesheet — occupying around 4MB of RAM — into every single webpage that you visit, stripping out the ads. This wouldn't be a problem if we were still in the '90s or early '00s, but nowadays it is very common for a webpage to have lots of iframes, which are separate, individual webpages that are loaded and embedded within the page you're currently looking at. The most common example is the ubiquitous social sharing widget (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) which is actually an iframe containing a separate webpage hosted on Facebook/Twitter's servers.
You can probably see where this is going. On a modern website, there can be dozens of iframes. On the ExtremeTech homepage there are 10, which is pretty low. In Nethercote's testing, he found that TechCrunch used around 194MB of RAM without ABP enabled — but that doubled to 417MB with ABP enabled, after triggering all of the social widgets. In an extreme example, the VIM Color Scheme Test website — which has hundreds of iframes — goes from a few hundred megabytes of memory to almost two gigabytes. Nethercote only tested ABP's memory consumption in Firefox, but we performed the same test in Chrome and got the same results.
It's harder to measure the CPU hit from having ABP enabled, but after some non-scientific testing it definitely feels like websites render more slowly with ABP installed. My CPU fan spins up more often when ABP is enabled, which is usually a good indicator that the CPU is being hit hard.
The irony, of course, is that ABP's initial popularity stemmed from its ability to block noisy, annoying, and resource-hogging Flash ads. Now, because ABP's block list is so large, it probably consumes more RAM and CPU cycles than it saves (though it will vary from site to site, of course).
Personally, I stopped using ABP long ago because free websites rely on advertising revenue — and I don't want those free websites to go under. If you're more worried about advertisers tracking you across the web, disabling third-party tracking cookies or using an add-on like NoScript is a much more effective (and efficient) route than using ABP. For annoying Flash ads, click-to-play add-ons like Flashblock (Firefox/Chrome) are a better option than ABP.
The other option, if you really want to block ads (especially those pesky pre-roll video ads on YouTube and the like), is to use some kind of ad-blocking proxy server. Privoxy is free, and if you run it locally there should be a minimal performance hit. As with all proxy servers, though, the one caveat is that it doesn't work with HTTPS connections (which is a problem, because you really should be using HTTPS connections wherever possible, if you want to escape the ever-watchful eye of cyber crooks and the government).
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http://www.indiandragon.in/ indiandragon
Not just Chrome and Firefox, but Safari has also faced the memory issue with ABP. So I've been using Ghostery. It seems better on all browsers.
People use Safari?
Why not? WebKit is a faster, more accurate and more compliant renderer than Gecko, and Safari/OS X is notably snappier and faster with page loads on slower hardware than Firefox is on faster hardware. I have never seen faster page loads than on my measly old 2.2ghz Core 2 Duo laptop with Safari/OSX. It outpaces both Chrome and Firefox on my Xeon 3.4 ghz Windows machine.
You can always tell the posts by clueless users and not by those who actually write code for the web. http://html5test.com
You can always tell posts by those who actually know and do HTML, and those who refer to it as "code for the web" referring to online browser tests. Instead of nitpicking about scarcely used features, how about you focus on the important part: accurate parsing and rendering of the box model? Don't pretend you're a developer when you're not.
You can always tell the people with low self-esteem who come to an amateur board and spew technical terms no one else would understand so he can act all self-important and knowledgeable. Why don't you concede the important point instead of distracting the issue just to make yourself look big.
Why are you trying to rationalize away from the point I made about your initial response? You implied you were a developer, trying to shoot down my comment regarding WebKit's qualities, while it stands clear from your response you just don't know what you are talking about. How am I acting self-important here?
you're both losers.
To those not interested in going to that site to look at comparisons, according to their HTML5 compliance points system, Safari falls short of Chrome & Firefox's score.
Worse, IE brings up the rear and it always has.
…try Yandex its the Russian chrome project and its save.
Thanks, but Soviet != safe. No matter what, you cannot trust a Ruskie.
Some people use IE…
Both of them?
I use it on my phone…
Why do you do that to yourself when there are so many better browsers or there? In this dayday and age it makes no sense for anyone to be using IE.
Because there is no Opera for Windows phones; I mean except Opera Mini, which is full of annoying bugs. And the others are not as smooth as IE.
Opera Mini is not a full fledged browser as the others are and not designed to be. IE, however, is inept and incompetent. Years behind all others in modern standards support and compliance, no one should be using IE.
I don't see why you felt the need to lecture me about Opera Mini, but thanks, Captain Obvious!
So, IE is retarded by years… you have proof for that, right?
I already gave proof above. This is old news known for 10 years. Any web developer will tell you that
Your proof is… you saying so… Mmmkay…
I'll repeat it since you don't seem to know how to scroll: http://html5test.com/
So, that website that gave me different scores on different runs with both my phone and my tablet browser (a total of 4 values for 2 browsers) is supposed to mean what exactly?
IE is way better than it used to be. It is almost comparable to proper browsers now…
Safari is quite widely used on both mobile and desktop/laptop. This is really well known by the way. Safari users also count for a much higher percentage of page views than other browsers meaning they use their browser more.
Webkit, which was developed from Konqueror and open sourced by Apple is the basis for Chrome and many other browsers. Except Apple doesn't use their browser to track everything you do and sell it to advertisers like Google does.
Run along now and tell your mommy you learned something today.
> Webkit, which was developed from Konqueror and open sourced by Apple
> Run along now and tell your mommy you learned something today.
I learned that Apple somehow open sourced the already open source KHTML [GPL] code.
Safari in Yosemite is AMAZING. The ultimate stripped down UI. I used to hate the Safari UI – looked 10 years out of date but now it is pure perfection.
Safari is also way more battery efficient on MacOS. My main surprise would be "people use Firefox?!".
Why Firefox? On Mac Safari or Chrome. On Windows Chrome. Done.
Trying Ghostery now.
Tyler Hibbard
I've used Ghostery for a long time, but it doesn't really block ads. It just blocks tracking cookies, etc.
So you recommend https, but have you ever tried the https version of ExtremeTech? Certificate is registered to an akamai domain so you get a certificate error.
http://ziffdavis.com/ sal cangeloso
It's self-signed. Works for our purposes.
Fair enough. The whole certificate signing process is a sham anyways.
Christian Abel
Which purpose? Insecurity?
Self-signed does not equal insecurity – rather the opposite. The whole SSL cert business is rotten to the core, and browser vendors being in bed with the cert vendors isn't helping anyone on the web.
Self-signed certs are fine if you can remember its valid fingerprint and validate it on every single page resource request.
Christian Abel
Self-signed means NOT authenticated by a CA. It means NOT secure in practice.
If you disagree, please explain how the AVERAGE user will check a random cert.
Suggest you get a certificate signed for free by startssl.com.
http://www.korbutt.pl/blog shaughnessy
So Adblock propably eats more memory then it should. Still worth it if you ask me.
Not really an issue if you ask me. RAM is pretty cheap these days and even with increased CPU cycles, web browsing is not a very CPU intensive activity.
Improved performance is not the reason most people (anyone) uses ABP.
KUDOS! I agree 100%. I've used Ad-Block Plus on Firefox for years now. Occasionally I turn it off, just to see what happens. It's like coming out into a snowstorm at 5 below zero! Even the "respected" websites are chock full of annoying animations and auto-play video ads…argh. I feel sorry for those who don't realize they could get rid of all this crap with AdBlock Plus. Today, I found out that AdBlock now exists for Internet Explorer! Immediately downloaded/installed it. Works like a charm on IE-11 Windows 7, just like FFox. If it slows down my browsing, it's not noticeable. Besides, like you said NoldorElf.., you don't use AdBlock Plus to achieve a speedier web…you use it for a LESS ANNOYING Web.
-Allen in Chicago
Load it, and go to bloomeberg. Time the page load and responsiveness with, and without. It does speed loading. This is paid advertising so sites getting their adds blocked don't have as many people blocking them.
Yes, it's for getting rid of that annoying intrusive advertising. No, it doesn't cause nearly as much disruption as this lie would have you believe.
Hank Kingsley
Whether it's faster or slower loading one page or the next will change on a case-by-case basis, depending on the content of the ads, how the site is built (# of iframes, etc). Sometimes Adblock will mess up a page if it gets caught in a loop trying to block content that keeps trying to reload, you can see Adblock counting up thousands of blocks rapidly.
So, no, there is no lie going on here.
You shouldn't be using IE either.
The problem is that even though you may have enough RAM, Firefox will slow down significantly as it uses more RAM. I have seen page rendering speeds fall through the floor as it approaches 1 GB of RAM usage. Only thing that fixes that is to close the browser completely and reload it only to have it slow down again as RAM usage creeps upward.
I have a decent machine with 16 GBs of RAM, an SSD, and an Intel Core i5 3570k CPU.
I myself have gone to the EasyList without Element Hiding and have seen a significant improvement in AdBlock Plus performance. It seems that Element Hiding is what kills rendering performance over time and RAM usage to sky-rocket.
If your browser is using that much ram, I question what sites you are visiting, what you are doing, and what your system installation is like. To claim Firefox slows down as its memory usage increases ignores the fact that ANY browser would do the same thing.
Right! Some guys load their browsers with all kind of extensions and apps and wonder why it is getting slower or even hangs up the system.
Good practice – disable history f. e. in Chrome.
About your claim that Firefox doesn't slow down with increased memory use. This is not true. With increased memory use there is an increase in pauses from garbage collection. This causes jank – pauses/jitters in the UI and scrolling.
IIRC there are a few other ways in which increased memory use contributes to smoothness problems in the browser.
Browsers such as Chrome (and Safari, and IE) overcome this through a multiprocess model, splitting up the content/tabs into many processes. This also prevents one tab's bad behavior from affecting the browser UI or other tabs' performance.
Firefox is moving to a similar model which should help overcome the problem of memory affecting responsiveness.
I didn't say Firefox wouldn't slow down. I said he was making a claim that Firefox was the only browser that would slow down with increased memory usage. ANY browser would slow down if it was using that much ram.
i don't find the text where he is claiming "that Firefox was the only browser" …
can you repeat that claim?
He states: "Firefox will slow down significantly as it uses more RAM." My complaint was not that he said it was the only browser that does but it implies that it is.
Thank you
Ford F150
agreed 1000%, If ABP is giving you problems then maybe its time to upgrade your hardware! even if it slowed down significantly, which it doesnt, id still love it, I hate those stupid constant ads on every site. Without ABP the internet isnt even browsable in my opinion!
So how does it feel to freeload? All those 'free' sites have to make money. If everyone blocked the ads, then there'd be no free sites right?
If ads were less intrusive maybe less people would want to block them. I'm pretty sure the internet is better off without all those "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU JUST WON […]".
People who block ads wouldn't have clicked them anyway, so we don't affect your oh-so-precious revenue.
I don't run a free site, so I don't particularly care, however if we stop visiting those sites, then uniques will drop and then maybe the owner will stop using those obnoxious networks (especially if we make it clear that we're not going to use their site with intrusive advertising.) using something like Adblock still gives the site owner a page view and thus the advertisers are still going to pay. I completely agree that many ads are annoying, however the solution is to boycot the content completely and inform the owner as to why. Using Adblock is still feeding the beast with page views.
As far as 'precious' revenues — isn't that what provides the resources for the content to exist in the first place? Revenue shouldn't be pejorative.
I totally agree but some sites just go overboard. Then again, sites that do that aren't worth visiting anyway.
It feels great, thank you!
If one needs money, why not just ask? I'm already subscribed to a couple of sites and would probably subscribe to a dozen or so.
Favorite free sites get whitelisted.
The problem with advertising is not jut that it can be a distraction, but it can also be a vector for malware. A Google search or a malicious link can lead to a compromised or hostile site. It is best to be pre-emptively safe. Once a site is seen to be trustworthy it can be put on the whitelist.
I support my favorite free sites with Flattr and would do so with more if they offered a Flattr button. Here's hoping micropayments go mainstream at some point. Do you have any idea the psychic price you're paying having to wade through all that marketing crap? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo
It's reasons like yours that we now MUST have 8GB of ram and more just to surf the web.
I don't want to deny revenue to good sites either. However, even the best of them sometimes have crappy pop-up ads. I do have flash set as click to run, but that doesn't take care of all of them. (As for pop-ups, I may be conflating my mobile experience with desktop. I switch between them so much.)
On the mobile scene, I only recently side-loaded ABP for Android. Main problem I encountered there was with the PlayStore. Connection was repeatedly timing out, presumably because of necessary proxy settings. And, of course, on mobile there are many more full-screen ads. I got tired of refreshing PlayStore. So, any suggestions to deal with mobile ads?
http://ellelaurelrose.com/ Elle Laurel Rose
Yes, I used to be anti-AdBlock, but then things got more annoying (again, cycles, I guess). I now only use it sparingly … or more sparingly than many, at least. I want to support bloggers and others but not if it'll send me into a rage at the Internet (a frequent issue of mine).
Simone Gliori
Try AdAway: it works with the host file.
Then you should use Ghostery. It tracks your data and sells it to ad companies. Some people might object to this, but it works if you want the convenience of blocked ads, but don't want to deny revenue.
Ron Scott
but the revenue goes to ghostery not the website…
"the very process of running ABP in your web browser consumes more memory and CPU cycles than it saves."
Who runs ABP for memory reasons?!? we run it to get rid of all the annoying crap that goes beyond what most of us can call reasonable advertising. I have no problem with websites using adds for a revenu stream, I dont use the defualt block list, but develop my own. When something gets obnoxious and takes up half the screen it my mouse gets near it, or randomly starts streaming loud audio all on its own, it gets the axe. IF if sits on the top/bottom/sides and doesnt be a pain, it gets to stay, i may even click if its interesting. Never have i used ABP to save a little ram. Its hard to worry about saving ram when i generaly end up with 15+ tabs open anyway…
Glenn Scott
"Who runs ABP for memory reasons?!? We run it to get rid of all the
annoying crap that goes beyond what most of us can call reasonable
That's why I run it.
I don't have a problem with advertising on web sites. I have a problem with all of the beeping, bonking, flashing, scrolling, waving and AUDIO that comes with them.
Comparing the up votes, I think we can conclude that most people dont run it for memory reasons.
Also, ABP blocks the entire ad. So it gets rid of "all of the beeping, bonking, flashing, scrolling, waving and AUDIO that comes with them."
yup, so it seems. I do like that firefox (and i think a few other browsers) show the speaker icon on the tab makeing noise now so you can just close the tab.
Amen. I am lucky to only have 15 tabs open most of the time. And my browsing is far faster and far less aggravating with ABP than without. Cleaner and safer too. Sorry, not buying this propaganda. I'll never browse the web w/o ABP again. Using IE is painful, in part because it doesn't have ABP.
http://twitter.com/nferno nferno
I installed ABP a few months ago when watching a long video on dailymotion rendered a commercial every 5 minutes. Overall memory use before and after has been negligible.
There may be a performance hit and an increase in the usage of RAM but on computers with weak graphics cards, the performance hit when not using it is much greater.
I don't believe there should be NO ADs…Advertising supports our media environment, whether it be TV, Internet or plain dead-tree Magazines.
What I Don't accept is the Non-Stop BARRAGE of Idiocracy. Contrary to popular beleif, I respect Good Advertising made by inventive, Creative Advertising people. If it's done intelligently, it will have an open door to me wandering the pointer over and clicking. When it's idiotic, ULTRA-FREQUENT and repetitive…like the ads on Hulu…I will blank them out or gosh-darn-it…I'll PAY Apple iTunes for the ad-free download.
And lastly– lot of websites have become the online equivalent of standing in the middle of Times Square during a traffic jam while a string of helicopters circle overhead.
And let's not forget that some of those multitudes of ads are Hacked trojans hiding in the mix…another reason to Block ALL of them.
I have Adblock running on ALL of my office machines…and I am unconcerned about the memory load. The Problem ISN'T the AdBlock…it's the ADS!!!!
I used it on a old computer and I could finally browse and scroll through the pages much faster, definitely a big performance improvement on several old machines where I tried it! (also the reason why I installed it) And on my main computer I have 16GB RAM, so I don't care. Neither do I cause less revenue for people since I NEVER click ads. But yeah, I see that point about the revenue… (I earn money my self on ads)
I can vouch first hand for every bit of this comment from my own experience and from supporting my customers.
It suspect Google Adsense team. This should be their master/dumb plan to make it look like its all Ad Block's fault ! After all its their revenue..
Ray C
Probably so
That's my vote.
Personally, I stopped using ABP
long ago because free websites rely on advertising revenue — and I don't
want those free websites to go under.
If I wanted to support your site, I'd click the Donate/Patreon button.
Tune My Heart Lord Jesus
NoScript? Ugh! That is the most intrusive add-on ever. Call it NoThanks. I got tired of the "guess which of these processes you need to re-enable to get the website to work correctly" game. I use both Hosts files and ABP or AdAway (android) to make unwanted advertising as non-intrusive as possible. If I could rid the planet of every "weird trick" advertisement it would be done already.
I love NoScript and use Firefox exclusively due to the fact that I CAN run NoScript.
Unintuitive? Yes, I will openly admit to that. Powerful? Absolutely. I am sorry that you find it bothersome to learn to comprehend what is going on inside your browser so that you can tell it what…and what you don't…want it to do, but I am quite happy with it.
When you know that you are on a trustworthy site and you are having problems turning on the correct subdomain, there is always the "Allow Global" function to use as a [temporary] measure. Turn off Global after you've finished with that abysmal, horrible, ad / tracking / useless media-infested site that you were on and then go on your way.
For many web sites I don't bother activating their base domains at all and simply read as "raw" presented; about the only subdomain that I can say that I allow with any frequency is…Disqus. Ironic, isn't it?
"I'm sorry that you find it bothersome to learn about [commonly used thing]."
has got to be in the top ten arrogantly unhelpful thing you could utter on any topic. Right up there with "If you have to ask, it's not worth explaining to you."
In any human being's life they use thousands of things they don't fully understand. Nowadays, probably tens of thousands. Yes. We're all proud of you for understanding a tiny handful of them. Super proud. Really. And we're really impressed that there are a few things in your life that you feel are worth putting some effort into. Really impressed. You bet.
Do you turn a field of grain into flour and then loaves of bread better than you can get at a bakery?
Do you weave threads into fine fabrics and then make your own clothes better than you can get at the store?
Do you make your own knives and blades more durable than the blades most people use?
No? There are people that do. Do they post arrogant, smug little posts any time you wonder what bread to buy? Or what clothes to wear?
Well, actually yes. Sometimes they do. But it's just as arrogant and unhelpful when they do it.
You obviously do not know how to use NoScript.
Ugh people like this.
http://www.something.com/ standard
I'd quite happily sacrifice a bit of my 8GB RAM, or a few clocks of my 4GHz quad core i5, or a second of my free time, if it means I don't have to sit through minutes of adverts before a video, or be distracted/annoyed by a moving image while I'm trying to read.
That said, if ABP could be more efficient, yes please.
David Spake
I've been using Adblockers for years and years, and have it installed by default on every Firefox and Chrome install I use (including everyone's machine at work). I use it simply because even though I might trust the website, I don't trust the advertising networks those sites use. Since instituting it at work, all of the fake antivirus warnings, malware banners, Trojans and other BS has completely disappeared.
Until websites start validating their own advertising networks, and we learn to trust them, I'll take the (negligible) performance and memory hit from Adblock, Ghostery, Flashblock and other addons.
Key word there, negligible hit. And it speeds up browsing significantly by giving you far less bandwidth to consume and far fewer elements to load.
Ford F150
sadly since i started using it I dont win free Ipads anymore ;(
Ray C
The sites I need Adblock to work on, it doesn't work for me. Like websites I go to watching live sports that have Ads all over the place. The one place I think it works for me is when I go on network websites and watch tv shows. I'm assuming it's because of adblock. The shows play straight though like I'm watching them on Netflix, instead of stop for a commercial at each of those little lines. It's not really something I even tried to do. I just noticed it one day
Ken B
Here's some irony. I have no problem with websites using ads to bring in extra revenue. But it's those few but terrible ads that drives people to block them using Ad Blockers. Now even if they think 99% of the ads are ok, it's that 1% that ruin it for both users and websites.
I'd love to see some kind of campaign where users are encouraged to disable their Ad-Blocker while websites are more concerned about what ads actually display on their websites. I know this is one big conundrum to solve.
What I want, as a user, is a system to punish the obnoxious ads, blocking only those, and somehow show the websites and ad publishers specifically which those ads are. What I want.. is to punish publishers of bad obnoxious ads, not all ads and the websites that depends on them. But how would such a system work? We're on the verge of web 3.0, I'm sure some clever people could figure it out.
ABP lets you whitelist pages and domains.Anything on the whitelist wont be blocked. I think you want to specifically block some of the ads on a page, which I dont think is possible.
Ken B
Blocking specific ads are indeed quite possible.
It would be great with a "reverse Ad-blocker" of where all ads are visible by default, but with right-click, the Ad Blocker would show you a list of all known ads/ad rules for that specific site, allowing you to block an ad with minimum effort. The problem now with this approach is that you have to figure out the correct rule to block just the ad, which is not always so easy as advertisers try to complicate it as much as possible. And since many people are lazy by nature, they then rather go by the approach of blocking all ads by default instead.
In short: An ad-blocker showing all ads by default, but with ready-to-deploy ad-rules for specific sites at a single right click.
Who has ever used ABP to reduce the usage of the RAM?!! It's has always been used to make the web page cleaner and to focus on the content of it rather than all of these flashy ads, I don't really care what it takes to do that I am still really satisfied with it.
http://www.wisetechglobal.com/ Laurence Grayson
I think, if all the little script kiddies out there would spend less time trying to hack OS's and concentrate more on DoS attacks on any advertisers, the net would be a lot better place!
A site that runs on ads suggesting an ad-blocking program is bad for a completely arbitrary reason? Now I've seen it all! /sarcasm.
No one runs AdBlock to save RAM.
People run AdBlock to save their sanity.
http://ellelaurelrose.com/ Elle Laurel Rose
Oh I was just typing something similar up there, but I went more specific and commented that it saves me from rrrraging, haha.
The way I do it is to have one browser with it installed and the other without it. On sites like this that you want to support that don't have intrusive pop-ups and pop over ads, just use the browser without ABP. For other stuff, use it and just deal with the extra memory usage.
I run it so I can see the information I want rather than my eyes being subverted to whatever thingamabob or service they are advertising today. With 12gb ram I don't get impacted by memory usage from websites.
I've been using a combination of FlashBlock and ABP ever since I got a couple nasty infections from compromised sites with flash ads that installed trojans. Is it completely redundant to run both, or is FlashBlock truly sufficient for the task?
Nope, each serve different purposes. And flashblock gets some flash elements that AP doesn't. ABP gets all manor of advertising, where as FB gets only flash elements.
Happily running ABP + Remove Element + Ghostery. All three simultaneously. No perception of laggg here, no reason to change it.
Do not change it. Do not fall for this site's opinions.
Victor Carvalho
I don't care. I have 8 gigs of RAM and six CPU cores, and I don't want to be washed with advertising.
Adblock FTW!
If it slows down my computer, I'll just get a FASTER cpu & more ram. The ads on websites are annoying, and some that for various reasons, I have to turn off the blocking, automatically run stupid youtube ad videos now. Here you are, reading a webpage, and music, or another annoying sounds pop up and you have to scroll around the page to find the stupid pause/stop button. The way I look at it, I didn't open them, I shouldn't have to close them. Let ABP eat all the ram & cpu that it wants, I don't want the ads!
Joel Detrow
That explains why my Firefox regularly hits 2GB of RAM usage. Though ever since update 29, it's been crashing A LOT. I stay on the Beta, though.
This means one thing: ABP needs an opt-in mode, where it's disabled on every website by default, and you turn it on for specific websites that annoy you.
Michael K
Anyone geek enough to read this site probably has plenty of ram anyway.
http://www.everythingillegal.com.au/ Damien O'Brien
1.2 GB here on
Opera 20+
Opera Next 20+
Mobile Opera Crashed XD
Scott Newman
Unless you're like really really poor, most people's computers have enough ram that a measly 2GB is nothing nowadays.
It's not like I ever click on ads anyway. Obnoxious, intelligence-insulting internet ads just reduce the chance of my buying something.
So I keep adblock plus switched on full-force and uncheck even "allow unintrusive advertizing". Haters gonna hate. My internet looks better.
Unless you are really rich 2GB is at least 25% of your available memory. You are talking about 2GB for 1 tab in 1 instance of firefox. Most people open more.
But the main point is that, filling 2GB with meaningful data takes LOTS of time, especially since your CPU cache will be useless when these amounts of memory are modified.
2GB is a huge amount of memory to be used by a single process and it is going to remain so for many years to come.
1 tab with ABP does not take 2 GB.
I went to techcrunch, loaded a dozen pages from it, and could only push memory usage up to 95 megs. Test out their claims first. This article is mostly false, and the behest of advertising agencies to insult and assault you more.
Pasha Pasha
wow, can't you stop that bull-s? 1 tab = 2G? Is that how things are on the moon?
The most vulnerable people to ads are college graduates who claim that ads don't affect them.
Tomas Gjerstad
I would like to know what computer specs was on the test rig. If a CPU fan speeds up only by open a browser with AddBlock enabled this must be a really outdated old laptop or something. I hardly believe this test is relevant for most owners of newer computers today that have 8GB of memory or even with 4GB it still should work just fine.
And by the way, I love AddBlock and been using it for ages.
http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony
A modern CPU — Core i7-4770K.
Not exactly on topic, but speaking of memory, I noticed something odd. I installed both FF and Chrome around the same time, with FF being my primary choice. About 4-5 months after installation, I noticed that my Chrome install folder had grown from around 40-50MB at the time of install to about 600MB. Meanwhile, FF was the same as always.
I know this has nothing to do with caching, or temp files or anything. I use CCleaner to clean both simultaneously. So there's no chance for that. How is it that my Chrome "got bigger"?
LOL. Sebastian warns us of the dangers of ABP. The real danger being that Extremetech doesnt get any revenue from those of us who run ABP.
Man, I Adblock the Pirate Bay. So that's all you need to know about me and revenue generation.
Pirate bay is chockfull of porn ads, so that's totally justified.
Hulu Lu
But who uses ABP for memory or speed, we use it to get rid of Ads because they are just out of control.
Chris Simon
What are the specs of the computer you are using for the test?
What sites did you use for the test?
Seems to me this test might have been skewed against ABP by using known jumbo sites and a older computer.
I've had Chrome open for several days of surfing and I have had at least 20 tabs open and I'm runnning ABP and Im not getting results like this.
http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony
Yep, it's definitely more noticeable on sites with lots of iframes.
On many sites the difference will probably be negligible.
But also, if people have been using ABP for a long time, they will have a different "normal" level — i.e. even if it's always been slow, it will still feel normal-speed to them.
I don't use ABP — so when I installed it, surfing felt slower. But I'm just one data point :)
Eeeer …. Chris actually called you a moron, or a liar. But in a really nice way, so you being who you are didn't notice it.
60-70MB hit?! *GASP* Damn, I guess I should finally get more than 512MB of ram then? o_O
I will do anything or loose everything to stop that VUBE pop up
Roberto Tomás
recently I noticed HTTP Switchboard, and it looks really interesting to me. But I'm not clear yet how to use it in combination with chrome's 3rd party content blocking … should I get rid of that, and let 3rd parties use local content, with HTTP SB handling everything? Anyway — I'm hoping some tech site like extreme tech will do some good coverage on http sb and how to use it.
I don't have ad block yet, I use a great pay for thing called Ad Muncher which is worth the small price. There are still a few but well managed ads. What I need is something that will block the idiot driven force by YTube to have recommended videos show up in great numbers. It's been suggested that AdBlock will do that on You Tube.
http://meelahi.wordpress.com/ Manzoor E Elahi
This comes as no surprise to me. But I willing to sacrifice that much for the sake of not seeing stuff enlargement ads in front of people. Also if I cannot allocate 100MB for this, then what's the point of having 16GB??
I basically do not have problems with ads but these autoplay videos were getting annoying, sometimes two three playing together were regularly crashing my browser. I installed adblock plus and things are smooth now. I do not think with 3-4GB memory at my disposal i do not mind spending 70-80MB for ABP. At least I am saved of those annoying Justin Tiberlake song videos playing everytime I open a news page I regularly visit.
James Tolson
i use Adblock, and i will continue using it.. i sympathies with the fact that free (and not free) websites use ads to generate revenue, but ad content over the last 10 years has got ridiculous.. the entire internet is becoming one big advertisement.. now i would not mind animated gifs like we had in the 90's or even the odd pop up every now and again.. but Over the top flash content, and fake hyperlinks and sound playing ad videos take up most webpage space and actual content is getting smaller and smaller? and don't get me started on the porn/fake dating related redirects which gets me really angry.. if webmasters and web based companies alike want to get rid of things like adblock then they need to rethink their advertising strategies on their webpages to be much less intrusive, you have answered your own question if a webpage is consuming nearly 500mb of ram (most of which is ads, actual text for the article is probably less than 100 kilobytes) then you can see why people use adblock.. yes it uses more ram to quash the ads but that don't bother me, because i just don't want to see them period…
Nowadays, surfing the web without an ad blocker has become a nightmare. God bless ABP. Takes more memory? Try surf the web without it.
Alternatively, you could use AdFender an ad blocking proxy server that uses the same filter lists as ABP and is free.
http://www.adblockplus.com AdblockPlus
Adblock Plus is working on this situation with Mozilla. All of our latest findings and work can be found at the Adblock Plus blog: https://adblockplus.org/blog/on-the-adblock-plus-memory-consumption
Pasha Pasha
Nice AD for google and co! First of, if you want free sites to have revenue you can use exceptions (just two clicks).
As for the performance. Don't know what sites most people visit, but those which I do abuse flash and don't bother optimizing. Havign 4 tabs open all 4 cores of my CPU are busy rendering puffy animation of new BMW or s like that. This was the actual reason i switched to AB. I'd rather trade few hundreds of RAM for CPU performance than watch my mouse cursor making slow mo tricks. After all, RAM is much cheaper to scale than CPU nowadays.
Horatio Postlethwaite
I don't use AdBlock to speed up my browser.
I appreciate your reasoning, Sebastian, but I can't believe you're able to tolerate all those maddeningly blinking, coruscating, flashing, intrusive adverts. I don't mind informative advertising per se, but when an ad uses vertigo-inducing, strobe-like graphics and SCREAMS for my attention, it destroys the reason I went to the web site in the first place and I simply leave. That's why I use ad blockers.
Sky Tripp-Schaefer
hahahahaha said by someone that only goes to Websites non-porn AND NO p2p websites I love ABP and so what if it slows a website down a little bit
this would be relevant if it was just about the memory. but it's about being distracted and BLOCKED from seeing vids. Imagine, when I load a fucking playlist, then hear annoying commercials every 3 songs??? That just won't do.
Plus, you use a bit of faulty reasoning here: ABP does not actually tell the website that the ads don't come through, let alone the advertiser.
ABP rules!
Kurtis Engle
Thanks for the explanation.
I have an Athlon twin core 4600 running 7 and seldom have more than 30 tabs open at once, so this probably doesn't effect me. But just to be sure, I'll eat the $10 and get a third gig of RAM
Still worth it.
But hey, if people really need that extra memory they can try downloading a hosts file that will blocks thousands of ad servers.
Tech Maven
With 12GB of Corsair DDR3 an Intel i7 920 and a WD Velociraptor and fiber to premises…not sweating a thing.
It blocks the ads on this website quite well
i really don't know how to set up the privoxy and those preroll ads on youtube are really annoying.
How is it harder to measure the CPU hit from having ABP enabled? Take a sampling of major websites with varying level of iframe abuse. Clear the cache and test them with nothing else running but your process analyzer. Close the browser, clear the cache again, and test with ABP running.
I'm hard pressed to believe ABP is a serious performance issue, though. I have run both Chrome and Firefox until both became nonresponsive, and at their highest utilization, they don't touch the cap on a single processor or even 1/8th my memory. I've tried the same with all plugins disabled and got no further. Without going too far off topic, I will simply say the bottleneck is the caching and rendering in the browser, not plugins and not hardware. I have a particularly powerful computer (and software that does fully utilize the hardware), but the software limitations were well within what any modern PC is capable of.
The benefit of ABP isn't performance, though, it's security and customization. It blocks increasingly malware laden iframes that keep getting ahead of browser security. You can disable it on specific pages you want to be supportive of, or put in exceptions for non-intrusive ads. It also allows removing non-ad components, such as the "trending topics" on Twitter that were too often flooded with the obscene.
Clearly a paid blatant lie. Test on mine don't measure up. Speed tests of sites load F A R faster. This place is very biased, very political, and this is shamefully worse than usual.
suzane carter
So that you advise HTTPS, however perhaps you have tried out the particular HTTPS model of Extreme-tech? Certificate is usually documented with an akamai site therefore you get a certificates mistake. http://bit.ly/1gWK6ST
so people who display ads, forcing people to use adblock plus, are effectively driving up processing power, which is causing us to use more fossil fuels, and thereby damaging the world. THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY ADS NEED TO BE STOPPED!!!
http://ellelaurelrose.com/ Elle Laurel Rose
Hmmmmmm. Judging by the ad behavior on this very page (I noticed while I was deciding what to do about this and also began blocking some elements here) I noticed a conflict of interest! You're not just the friendly self-boss bloggy org, but in favor of obtrusive ads as well. Ah ha…
Mansa Musa
Guys what about having more than one adblocks on your PC? Could ABP work with another adblock? I need an answer, thanks in advance.
I don't care if it consumes a whole lot of this and that. It's a better browsing experience and that's what matters. The propaganda!
Eli Cummings
There's precious little good content on most of the ad supported sites so it wouldn't matter if most of them went away. The rampant commercialization of the web has turned into just another form of "television" which is unwatchable unless one can skip past the ads or just watch premium no ad channels or public broadcasting which has gotten pretty ad friendly itself in the past few years and is full of self promotional filler. I contribute to public media but it hasn't stopped their growing use of time for ads. Maybe they should just do the stuff that people are willing to pay for.
When Pink Floyd came out with "The Wall" album, Pink said "I've gotten 13 channels of sh*t to choose from" – now we have billions if you want to let channels mean web sites (like the old AOL browser).
There are only a handful of people actually generating content. Most web sites just piggy back off those people with intro paragraphs and links to the "full story".
Most advertising is a waste of money. When something is really good it doesn't take long for word to get out.
Advertising is consumer propaganda rather than political propaganda but like all propaganda it tries to do the same thing, move you to an action you would never initiate on your own.
It's success says more about the mental worlds of human beings than it does about anything else. It is evidence of the herd mentality that has always permeated our species and results in ever greater colony organisms of humans.
Mostly it just increases the cost of everything we buy. You don't think the companies are paying those bills do you ?
Asok Asus
I've just been FED UP with FF because of all of the memory leaks, etc. I've been running v16 forever because whenever I've tried to upgrade to newer versions, they'd all pretty much just crash after 30 minutes of heavy use, and not a single version of FF that I've ever used has ever fixed the memory leak problems. Not a single one.
I actually installed a tiny batch file on quicklaunch so I could quickly kill FF at the point it's consumed all of my RAM so I could then start over with "Restore Session" to automatically reload all of my previous tabs. After trying every "solution" to the leak problem, that's the only one that ever did me any good. Apparently the arrogant tards at mozilla would rather tweak the UI to death rather than make a browser that actually works. They're worse than even Microsoft because Microsoft has to listen to their customers sooner or later or go broke, whereas nonprofits can just drift along forever.
At any rate, I just finished installing PM, including importing everything from FF with their little importer program, and everything went flawlessly, including all settings and the plethora of add-ons I use. The only difficulty was getting roboform attached, which I can't live without. I did finally dumb around and got the roboform taskbar program to attach roboform to PM, which then worked flawlessly. It is, however, necessary for the roboform taskbar program to run all the time for roboform to continue to work on PM, but this is a very small price to pay to ditch FF forever.
I've used PM for a week now, opening/closing/keeping hundreds of tabs a day, and I've been stunned at how much faster PM is than FF, as well as the VERY small memory footprint occupied by PM vs FF. Even after a week's HEAVY usage, PM has not grown beyond 1 GB, and even better, when I close tabs, ALL of the RAM is given back.
Basically, PM is what FF ought to be. Even better, the genius behind Pale Moon, Mark Straver, has committed to keeping the PM UI fundamentally unmolested. I'll be installing PM instead of FF on all of my client's computers in the future as well!
(BTW, ALL of the "recommended fixes" for the firefox memory leak problems are a sick joke. Not one of them works. And plugins DO NOT cause the memory leaks! Firefox does! How do I know? Because I switched to Pale Moon, importing everything EXACTLY like it was in Firefox and guess what? No memory leaks in Pale Moon! Oh, and I use Adblock Plus, Flash, Java, DoNotTrackMe, BetterPrivacy CookieCuller, DownloadHelper, Element Hiding Helper, IE View, ViewAbout, Visited, and roboform. So NONE of those is causing the firefox memory leak problems!)
Adblock still blocks malicious ads that try and hijack your browser (that popup blockers miss). Take all the memory you want, if it keeps me out of the redirect loop of "You have a VIRUS!!! Download this program now!". Any website supported by advertisers peddling maleware deserve to crash and burn.
Ethan T. H.
I can't believe that you think that you're "doing your duty" just by watching by all those ads. Wake up, man, that's HARDLY ENOUGH–To be a true-blue ad-enabler you have to BUY the products advertised or else it wouldn't be fair to the advertisers. Next time you want to get on your high horse don't just brag about how you watch the ads, you should be listing all the products that you were told to buy and did. Let's see the receipts or else we might suspect you of undermining the system. Where's your loyalty?
The Bobster
I'm now getting display driver errors and the blue screen of death on 2 different computers with IE11. It seems to correspond with me installing Adblock Plus. And when I restart the computer after a crash, the AdBlock settings page pops up.
Cousin Ricky
I guess I'm vindicated. I have refrained from using ad blockers because I know that the ads pay for the sites. They don't bother me unless they're too flashy or they block the content. As for those annoying autoplay videos, a quick Inspect element and delete works for me in FireFox.
In general, I find the social media pop-ups far more annoying than ads. In some cases, social media pop-ups are egregious enough that I just hit the back button.
David Bee
Adblock Plus makes web surfing more responsive? Where'd that come from?
Adblock Plus gets rid of ads, unwanted mass marketing, annoying crap, unwelcome yelping announcers and equally annoying music plus. (Music?!)
It's worth the extra memory to be able to browse in peace, and to be rid of so many false positives from anti Malware and anti virus apps.
Nicholas Nethercote says there is a 60-70MB memory hit having Adblock Plus run in the background on Firefox.
Notice that no one is complaining about that, I use Firefox and Pale Moon with
Adblock Plus, no probs at all, and no ads!
Your choice.
Simone Gliori
Also if it takes more memory, I love AdBlock.
Charles Guillory
on my pc, most flash adverts freeze the computer for several seconds each. loading slightly slower but still less than it would be with flash on is a trade off I'm willing to make. (if it were worse than flash it wouldn't be so good, but currently flash is still worse for me)
LOL. The reason this site does not want you to use Adblock Plus because their sponsors load about 100 ads each. The "You might also like" section, click on a sponsor and see how many ads are blocked. Ads blocked verified per Privacy Bader, Ghostery, and Adblock Plus. What a frickin' joke.
One the sponsors had 96 ads blocked…
Lucas Smith
Adblock is my #1 must-have online app. I absolutely hate ads and don't even surf the web or do much on my smartphone anymore because of them. I'd honestly rather see some kind of paid system without ads and would gladly give my $ for that.
Google always care for it's users they have just launched a new service that will block ads for the users and will also provide profit to the publishers at the same time: Google always seems to bust the problems sooner than it's competitors, that's the sole reason why it's so successful : here is the article it thoroughly explains the new service that Google is launching: Google Ad Block Service
So basically this is bitching about an edge case
Elliander Eldridge
Compare that to massive video ads running on news pages. Just tonight I had to install ad blocker on Firefox because Firefox crashed while reading a news article because of a stupid video ad running in the middle of the article that it wasn't even looking at. As soon as I installed a block everything ran smoothly again. Obviously adblock is using less memory, or at least handle the memory more effectively, then random ads running all over the place
Some site are next to impossible to navigate without an adblocker especially on mobile
Thank you for this fair and balanced perspective! It is always nice to find someone willing to share an unpopular opinion in the guise of a browser performance analysis.
http://modmyi.com/forums/iphone-4-new-skins-themes-launches/740147-neurotech-hd.html#post5637502 Jay
I don't care how much memory it takes up or how long it takes to load – I hate ads more than I love performance!
I would prefer to not block ads. I don't like doing it because I don't believe in being a parasite. But I don't really understand how some of these websites are meant to run without ad-blocking. You're on a site watching a video, and in the middle of the video, another video starts playing in a different part of the page. What am i supposed to do? What kind of a commercial plays while the main program is running, rather than interrupting it?
Incompetent web-developers force us to use ad-blockers.
http://everydaypanos.com/ Everydaypanos
Just ditch the addon and replace it with a click-to-enable-flash setting. Magically all flash objects become gray until you click on them.
You're welcome.
Jacob Groß
Use this as replacement: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/%C2%B5block/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm. uBlock is far more memory efficient, uses less CPU and so on.
Was just coming here to post this.
Also they are working on uBlock for Firefox too, which will be awesome.
ABP suffers a very problematic and naive design. There are better solutions, such as GlimmerProxy, but the thing is, even when you do run Failfox without ABP it's still unreasonably memory hungry.
I waste more CPU cycles and spend more time finger tapping waiting on Disqus to load than by using ABP. Disqus is blocked unless I allow it in order to comment (like now), then it's right back off.
http://www.polarsoftware.com/ Stanislav Prusac
Виктор Милованов
"It feels more slowly", maybe for you, dude.
Dave Hawkins
Extremetech ABP Score = 15, running overtime i bet, who cares! Wahoo
Menachem Began
The point of AdBlock isn't necessarily to make the computer's life easier, althoughi it would be nice if it could do that too. The point is, duh, to block the most annoying ads. Which it does.
If the CPU needs an extra few MB and some additional clock cycles, I'm not sure I can work up enough empathy to actually give a damn.
Menachem Began
Anyone know how to block ads within the Surface 2 Win 8 RT environment?
Lovely hardware, but useless on YouTube due the apparent inability to block the video ads.
If you watch the Javascript console you can see that some sites completely bork with ABP. I think they have code that tries to access the divs that do not get loaded and then they sit there and throw errors continuously. Many sites do not work with ABP because loading key features is scripted to be done after loading ads.
People, use /etc/hosts blacklist!
To be clear, despite the title, the problem lies with Adblock Plus and not Firefox or Chrome.
Don't care. If I can screw some ads I'm more than happy to browse a bit slower. Having naggers waste their money is priceless.
http://dobots.nl Anne van Rossum
You know you gave people the idea to start to include lots of empty iframes on their website to discourage the use of the adblock plugin?
http://dobots.nl Anne van Rossum
I just created an html file with a 1000 blank iframes. It puts the CPU at 100% for a short while, but doesn't increase memory use at all. I'm running Ubuntu 14.10, so this might be limited to Windows systems and/or the Windows implementation of ABP.
And? I realize that and I'm not the one complaining about memory. You're also picking a terribly degenerate example.
Brian Tighe
I have using ABP with Chrome for years and have very few complaints, There is no way that I would even go to some of these sites that have animated ads without ABP. I totally disagree with the idea of animated ads. It is so annoying that I would not stay on that site. I'm not against ads just animation of ads. I have no complaints about it slowing down my computer, just that occasionally some things won't load that I want, so I turn off ABP. Memory is cheap
This article is HIGHLY misleading. Yes, Firefox will use more RAM with iframes, that is not in dispute. What is misleading is that they do not account for the memory/CPU cycles saved by blocking ad heavy webpages (video/flash especially). Nor do they account for the increased speed in downloading due to the blocking of many scripts. They also do not account for the added security/privacy benefit ad blocking provides. pre-adblock I'd have malware to deal with every 90 days. Post-adblock I haven't had any to deal with in years. The time that saves me alone is worth the extra RAM.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003386080045 John doe
I never really noticed anything but, the benefits totally outweight the bad if any.
Benjamin Knight
Congratulations! You've taken an objective non-biased article by a developer and spun it to say that users should just stop using Adblock.
What Nethercote's research actually shows (and I confirmed this in my own testing) is that Adblock slows down specifically pages with lots of iframes.
However, in my own testing on Chrome using Adblock (getadblock.com) a lot of applications memory footprint was still overall smaller with Adblock enabled. These included Facebook, Gmail, Yelp, and this very article. Therefore you could conclude that in these cases the memory saved by blocking ads outweighs memory overhead from the extension. That's because the 4MB per iframe thing only starts to matter when there is a TON of iframes, like the VIM page referenced in the Nethercote's article. This kind of page represents an extreme though.
In normal circumstances a website shouldn't be loading more than in the ballpark of 20-30 iframes anyway, and if they are loading several more than that, that could be because they're plastered head to toe with ads, or they need to cool it with the widgets. In other words, in my web designer opinion, you're probably doing something dumb if your app has that many iframes. This is going to measurably decrease performance whether or not Adblock is installed.
It's worth noting that it's not just memory usage that affects user experience. Ads can force the browser to do more rendering (CPU & GPU) work, especially any with animations. In other words, websites without ads will probably scroll smoother and just generally feel more responsive to user interaction.
Let me know when sites are LEGALLY responsible for any malware served up by their way too many third party completely unvetted ad servers and I'll gladly stop using ABP, until then, it's ABP all the time.
http://www.your-moms-vagina.com/ Hugh Briss
Ad blocking should be added as part of the browser engine and written in C. That way it would be ultra-fast, capable of much more intelligent blocking, and would bypass all of the issues that currently exist with ABP's current methods of ad blocking.
I think Firefox starts slower all the time even without ABP for me. They are making really bad changes to FF as of late this November 2014. The text box is defaulting to key words like Chrome's omnibox. I used a browser hack to divert to the old one. Only a matter of time before the close that loophole.
Chrome is faster but still just as slow loading with "Waiting for Cache." I know there's a registry hack somewhere to speed things up with the Chrome issue but apparently they also closed it. These software is free so they can screw with you however they like. Even paid software, its the same deal. We are all slaves to tech.
You dont offer a valid solution. I prefer to block the ads. it is a shame the memory problem… but without ABP you cant focus on the real web content. This post is a PR bulls..
I think I find it does slow my computer but trying to watch something on Youtube would be just too annoying without it.
Haha, never had a problem with Adblock or Adblock plus. Sure the advertising crowd is angry. I also use flashblock.
I run 2 virtual machines, with openvpn and surf with 3 different IP addresses.
More and more I cut the rubbish OS's like Window, OS/X or Android/Droid. 64-bit Ubuntu and Ubuntu on a USB TV stick are good replacements. Know what you do and you don't have so much problems.
By the way lots of Virus applications are bad and dysfunctional.
On mobile firefox adblock will save you power on the top 100 websites: http://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~hindle1/2014/adblock-kent-paper.pdf
Don't mind unintrusive banner ads to the side. The rest of it can wither and die.
Mark Haferkamp
I don't mind ads as long as they aren't too flashy, don't use multimedia stuff, and don't track my browsing across websites. That said, I almost never click on ads when I do see them, since they're almost always either irrelevant to my interests or clearly lying about where the link goes.
I use NoScript with scripts allowed globally to block plugin-based and HTML5 video ads. It's like click-to-play with HTML5 support. To block tracking ads I have Firefox to send the "do not track" header and use Privacy Badger to automatically block everything from servers that set tracking cookies anyway.
For some reason, the ads that respect my browser's performance and do-not-track header enough to survive NoScript and Privacy Badger seem to be much less annoying, like they also respect my attention and the fact that I probably don't want to see something completely irrelevant to the site I'm on.
Well, obviously the likes of Mozilla and Google do not like AdBlock. So it does not come as a surprise that the source of this is a Mozilla researcher (Mozilla makes almost all of it's money from Ads – search deals).
There are a lot of issues with this analysis, mainly the equation that says "loading a page with AdBlock consumes more resources -> the UX is worse than without AdBlock". This is obviously nonsense, UX on a page cannot be measured simply by the memory footprint and such – it's much more complicated than that (and, in the case of video ads for example, I would say that an AdBlocked page will probably consume less memory anyway).
andre w.
Good try, but none of us millions of Adblock Plus users use it because it'd make sites load "faster" – we use it to get rid of the ugly, distracting, invasive and unsolicited ads, and we will continue to do so, even if it makes sites take 2 extra secs to load and no matter how many more pseudoscientific articles like this one you guys get paid by advertisers to write.
Good try, but nobody uses Adblock Plus expecting it to make websites load "faster" – we use it to get rid of the ugly, distracting, invasive ads, and we will continue to do so, even if it makes sites take 2 extra secs to load and no matter how many more pseudoscientific articles like this one you guys get paid by advertisers to write.
"running ABP in your web browser consumes more memory and CPU cycles than it saves."
Maybe because it is not designed to save memory or CPU?
andre w.
Good try, but nobody uses Adblock Plus expecting it to make websites load "faster" – we use it to get rid of the ugly, distracting, invasive ads, and we will continue to do so, even if it makes sites take 2 extra secs to load and no matter how many more pseudoscientific articles like this one you guys get paid by advertisers to write.
http://www.vwd.co.za Francois Botha
Unless your kicking it old school with your computer rig then memory and CPU resources shouldn't be an issue. ABP works great for Its intended purpose and that's too remove annoying ads and pop-ups. Considering a cheap PC average 8 GB or more of RAM I think we can suck it up until ABP comes up with an improved algorithm
This article is paid for by the companies who advertise on this site. The speed issues that this article claims doesn't even exist. The webpages actually load faster because all those ads don't render. Even if this article was true, I would still use adblock plus so I could actually read websites, instead the fragmented state advertising has done to turn great sites into total garbage.
Your system has RAM to be used, not to keep it free.
Another disadvantage of ABP is, that if you start or restart your browser ABP doesn't block the ads immediately. Only if you refresh the page. Still not solved.
Tyler Hibbard
I don't know anyone who uses AdblockPlus to reduce memory usage. Everyone uses it for the purpose for which it is named: to block ads. Even without it, Firefox is still a notorious memory hog.
Abe Goldstein
Oy Vey goyim!! Listen to the article and disable your cursed new holocaust named Adblock!!
http://www.tysontechnology.com.au Geoff
It is not only about load time. I quite often surf with 150+ Tabs open in Waterfox (64-bit version of Firefox). At present my web browser has 117 tabs open and is using 6.3Gb of memory. If ad's weren't blocked, performance would be unacceptable because all the flash ad's would be chewing up all the CPU time even after the pages have loaded.
I don't think web users who download ABP care more about the milliseconds they lose when opening a page than they care about having 10 ads in front of them that make it a horrible experience to try and look at the content they were trying to in the first place.
Also, you said you care about small websites that make a living out of their ads. Well, ABP can be configured to accept reasonable ads, which are defined there as not disrupting the user experience, not trying to ilude people into clicking it, and not having too big of a size. It is pretty reasonable. If a website does not care to make ads that reasonable, than I don't care if they make money or not.
Such hacker bots that are just blocking all the ads. I mean so much of the web is available for free BECAUSE of ads! I mean that just stupid.
You know how some want to make people pay for higher bandwidth? How about we put a massive surcharge on animated ads? Like this page, I can't wait to click it off because of the flashing lights and blinking ads over on the left side.
That's why you have 16GB of RAM… Duh, to load webpages.
Interesting note, firefox uses 300MB less than Chrome. I do have 7 AB+ lists on chrome and only 4 on FF. Chrome does tend to use more RAM though anyways. Probably all of the tracking and preloading it does.
http://mr21.fr Mr21
You can't read an article about Adblock (Plus) when it's writed on a page with 30 adverts blocked by this extension. It's just a nonsense…
" there is a 60-70MB memory hit having Adblock Plus run in the background on Firefox."
MB? you are aware than modern computers have gigabytes of ram on board,
60 MB is nothing! My Mac has 12 GB, my Dell PC has more than 20 GB on
it, if someone is on a laptop which I consider a "toy" that has 1 GB of
ram, yeah it's a hit, but not on a REAL computer- a tower or desktop
machine. I ALWAYS have at least 2 browsers open, and lots of other stuff, and firefox is always open with multiple pages AND multiple tabs open
https://plus.google.com/u/0/110297224959855395697 Brad B
But the ads are a cluster fuck. :/
James Dwight VanKoughnett
im not concerned about CPU hits with adblock, im sure like myself most other users are concerned with the Bandiwdth consumption, in a day when you are charged for every Gig on a limited data per month plan, and every website has multiple youtube videos worth of senseless ads playing all the time on a loop, i in fact, use 3 seperate adblockers, and amazingly, i do not cap my internet due to browsing anymore.
James Dwight VanKoughnett
the fact of the matter is that the typical internet consumer has subconciously trained themselves to simply ignore ads even when they do get through, ads do not make money, they are a waste of money, both my money and the money of the company producing the ad, i do not buy advertised products, i buy products that are verified by experience and word of mouth (even when that word of mouth is a youtube review) that being the company's waste of money, my waste of money is in the stolen bandwidth and time, bandwidth stolen by videos, time wasted by closing ads or using adblock to hide the latest generation of ads, however the biggest piss-off of all, is in the stolen bandwidth. its shitty enough comcast won't upgrade to fibre-optic and charge out the ass for every Gb on a limited plan that is then throttled, and on top of this the throttling is congested with ads. stop wasting money advertising and put that money into making a superior product, quality of sales over quantity of sales, much like with internet piracy you are trying to squeeze money from those who will not spend it.
http://micahmedia.com/ Micah
"there is a 60-70MB memory hit having Adblock Plus run"
My phone has 3gb ram, and my desktop has 32gb. ABP has plenty of elbow room in my world. Same with CPU resources.
I'm happy to take CPU/battery/memory hit to save myself a single moment of displeasure by seeing some bullshit advert of any kind.
But to be fair, the hosts file on my phone and desktop limit the lifting that ABP has to do.
http://johnharperjr.blogspot.com/ Juan Martin
I don't have this problem. It's blocking 13 items on this website perfectly.
Core Paradigm
What? A person who works for a website that runs on ad revenue says that ABP is bad?
No, I'm not buying it.

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Our 6th annual Halifax Urban Folk Festival will be held this year from Sunday, August 30th through Sunday, September 6th inclusive.
If you want to see video from all The Carleton shows at HUFF from the 2014 edition, go HERE and then find the show you want to see in the viewer. Turn it up!
We expect to again have at least 6 participating venues this year: The Carleton Music Bar & Grill, The Economy Shoe Shop, The Seahorse Tavern, The Loose Cannon, Tempo (Delta Barrington) and the Rock Bottom Brew Pub. We're working on talent right now.
While we work on that, here's what happened at The Carleton last year in 2014…
Sunday, August 24th – $10 – 9 PM
HUFF Discovery – Doug Paisley + Jordie Lane + Kim Harris
Monday, August 25th – $10 – 9 PM
HUFF Discovery – Doug Paisley + Jordi Lane + Dave Sampson
Tuesday, August 28th – $15 – 9 PM
Catherine MacLellan CD Release + Jonathan Cornwall + Jordan Cameron
Wednesday, August 27th – $10 – 9 PM
The True Love Rules + The Navy Brats + The Brood
Thursday, August 28th – $25 – 9 PM
An Evening With Steve Poltz
Friday, August 29st – $45 – 9 PM
GARLAND JEFFREYS & The Halifax All Stars W/David Pirner (Soul Asylum), Bryan Potvin (Northern Pikes) and Dwight Twilley
Saturday,August 30th – $45 – 9 PM
DAVID PIRNER (SOUL ASYLUM) & The Halifax All Stars W/Dwight Twilley, Garland Jeffreys and TBA (stay tuned, we'll be announcing this soon)
Sunday, August 31st – $45 – 9 PM
DWIGHT TWILLEY & The Halifax All Stars W/Dave Pirner (Soul Asylum), Garland Jeffreys and Joel Plaskett


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The MWK Scarf Exchange 2 deadline is fast approaching. I have heard from many of you that this rounds projects are as welcome and loved as round 1. Some others (including your host) are a wee bit behind and will be late getting your scarves out. If you are behind, all ll I ask is that you stay in touch with me and your spoilee so no one is anxious.
Now back to my own project....
Mine has been done for a while now...just need to get to the post office to mail it.
Yikes! Am knitting away feverishly! Have already gathered the "goodies," so at least that is done. We are having snow (yeah!), so I might get some extra knitting time in.
Still working on Mmine!!!
Still working on my scarf. Finally got the extra yarn that I needed and then to my dismay my daughter suprised us with a baby girl. I mean totally surprised us, we never knew she was expecting and neither did she, so last week was a wash as far as knitting was concerned. I am trying to get it don eand mailed by the end of the week. I have e-mailed my spoilee and told him that I would be sending it out late. My Apoligies!!!!
I'm busy finishing mine up. I'm thinking it should go out the beginning of next week.
"A man may fight for many things. His country, his friends, his principles, the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sack of French porn." Blackadder
Mine is done...it's waiting to be washed and blocked. I need a "round tuit" so I can get that bit done and the piece mailed. You see, that will be done just as soon as I get a "round tuit". LOL.
Promise, on the blocking board tonight....
The knitting gods willing I will be mailing mine out tomorrow.
I'll be a day late mailing mine - it didn't dry overnight. I also need to re-skein some of the "goody" yarn....
I'm still behind as well. Not sure when I'll be finished, but I'm trying. *sigh*


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What: Say Goodbye to Winter bash
When: Saturday, April 20, 8 p.m.-midnight
Where: Bowl Mart, 277 State Rt. 11, Champlain
Cost: $3 per person or $5 per couple. Proceeds benefit the Samuel de Champlain Center Stage in Rouses Point.
Champlain Steve Merchant is sick of winter.
To prove it, he's organized a "Say Goodbye to Winter" bash at Bowl Mart Lanes in Champlain on Saturday, April 20.
The event, which has more of a say "good riddance to winter" theme, is the second of its kind for the area.
Proceeds from the event will go toward improving the Samuel de Champlain Center Stage in Rouses Point.
The Peru-based band Just Us will provide music for the celebration.
The band has been around for 28 years, but rhythm guitarist and lead vocalist Joe Holland and bassist and vocalist Keith Collins are the only founding members still in the group.
Lead guitarist and vocalist Gene Palmer, who has been with the band for five years, and drummer Keith Bushey, who has three years with the band, will complete the quartet on Saturday.
The band's members might have changed through the years, but some things haven't—Just Us has always played classic rock, country rock and blues covers, and also likes to throw in some modern rock.
It's all just a part of life for Holland, who has been playing guitar since he was 10 years old.
"It's pretty much honed into me," Holland said. "I think my dad was the first person to realize it. He bought me an old Sears Silver Tone guitar and I went through the blisters, got to playing, and have been doing it ever since."
The desire to play music, and to keep playing music, is something Holland understands and wants everyone to have access to.
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"Black Friday Review: We've Got Nothing to Lose" offers Toledoans the chance to experience a night of original songwriting.
"There's just been an insurgence of original music in Toledo. We thought during the holidays would be a good time to showcase that," said Sarah Cohen, co-coordinator of the event and member of the band Antivillains.
Black Friday Review will feature three different sets, including a set of songwriters in the round, Cohen said. The material will all be original works from local artists, she said.
"During songwriter in-the-round, the three people are on the stage together. One person does a song and people can play along if they know it or they wait till their next turn," Cohen said. "This way the audience gets three types of songwriting all in a row."
The event was inspired by "Original Bag," put on by singer-songwriter and guitarist Jason Quick, Cohen said. Original Bag is an event at Mutz that has allowed musicians to showcase their own material, Quick said.
"When you get a chance to perform at a bar in Downtown Toledo, you need to do primarily covers or all covers. There isn't a lot of ready chances to play your own music out there," said Quick, a co-coordinator of Black Friday Review.
Black Friday Review will hopefully be one of many events for musicians to showcase their original material, Cohen said.
In addition to receiving inspiration from Original Bag, inspiration for the show has also been gathered from the Nashville music scene.
"Places like Nashville are a big songwriters' town. People when they get up on stage, it's almost expected that they're going to perform original material. There's a lot of songwriters in Toledo as well," Quick said. "They deserve the opportunity to perform and maybe make a little money at it."
Local music has its benefits because it's written by people here and about events in the area, Quick said.
"I think [the original music] will hit them more directly than a lot of other music will because large scale mass consumption music and entertainment is made for mass appeal. This is more of a specialized localized type thing," Quick said.
Black Friday Review will feature performances by Estar Cohen & The Power of the Plume, a songwriters round from Cohen, Dan Greunke (Fairly Handsome Band) and Lucas Madrazo and a set by Quick (Quickness) and Ben Langlois (Old West End Records).
The performances start at 9 p.m. Nov. 26 at Manhattan's Restaurant, 1516 Adams St. Cover is $3.
"It's a comfortable atmosphere; it's not like a rock club. It's definitely a dinner show of sorts," Cohen said. "Even if you don't drink you can totally get something to eat, listen to music and bring your family out."
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