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Stabbing vs. Cutting
Ok, after some of the commentary on knife defense and what not in Your Martial Art Sucks I got to thinking on something I have pretty much always taken for granted.
Thrusting with the knife is inherently more lethal than cutting.
I have pretty much always believed the above statement to be true just because I was told it was. Is anyone aware of an empirical study that shows one way or the other?
"inherently" is a strong word, but it's probably more true than false. I've never heard of anyone trying to study it scientifically, and I don't know how you could, really. How would you control? Would you survey incidents of knife attacks? If you did, how would you control it so that you were comparing apples to apples?
If we're talking about the chest, for instance, then stabbing would be much more likely to be lethal, as cutting the chest with most knives won't even get through the ribs. If the throat, I don't know. Cutting might be lethal more of the time there; hard for me to have an informed opinion. If extremities, I would venture to guess that more people die of blood loss from large cuts than from thrusts.
I would say that thrusts tend to be aimed into the vitals while cuts are often applied in less-vital places.
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The most horrific injuries I have ever seen were generally caused by slashes from stanley knives/bayonets etc as you get wide open wounds with fat/muscle/tissue hanging out, and lots of small blood vessels damaged. but these injuries were, in the words of a medical proffesional, 'relatively superficial'
however both fatal stabbings I have had the misfortune to go to were relatively neat puncture wounds that went several inches under the surface and through arteries, lungs, hearts, ribs... its was only at the PMs that you realise how much damage is done....
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You attack different targets differently. You take what you can get. That said, a stab is going to be more penetrative (SP?) than a cut. It will also generally be easier to do than a cut, on a timing/distancing standpoint. But if I had my druthers, I would go for the chop or hack.We are surrounded by warships and dont have time to talk. Please pray for us. One Somali Pirate.
From a training perspective, most Kalistas (Eskrimadors, Arnis(is)?) would say that every slash should have a slash and every slash a thrust.
As for the lethality of the slash, a straight cut is generally less severe than an angled one. Why do you trim flowers at an angle? To keep the ends of the cut from closing up. An angled cut of a blood vessel is much harder for the body to repair than a straight slice.
To reiterate what was said above, a lot depends on the target.Originally Posted by Canuckyokushin
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Hit an organ and you get results. That is tough to do with a cut.
Lungs. Heart. Liver. Kidney.
It may take some time but without medical attention that person is going to die.
It takes a while to bleed out from a cut wound. Unless you hit a major artery with a cut the victim will probably survive even without medical attention. You may slice through a tendon, such as the wrist/forearm and make it unusable. But the overall stopping power of a slash is less.
With a stab wound look for dark blood and sucking/wheezing sounds. That means you hit money.
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Part of the reason for the danger of stabbing v slashing is penetration. Unless someone is using a very sharp knife (with a good amount of weight), it's tough to slash deeply. Slashes will bleed a lot, but as said above it's superficial. That's one reason why people tend to survive slashed throats (as opposed to stabs to the neck) - lack of penetration. Further, things like clothing can help cut down (pardon the pun) on penetration as well in the case of slashes.
Stabbing, on the otherhand, brings a lot more body weight to bare on the action. And, as noted above, it's a case where a little depth can go a long way towards making you dead.
On a side note, I've been anecdotally told (by a kali and police instructor) that the general knife attack pattern (if such a thing exists) is two to three slash passes followed by concerted stabbing attempts. Anyone ever here anything like this? I have not had a chance to get back with that instructor to quiz him further on this.
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This is something that is often discussed/debated in historical fencing circles as well. Virtually all of the dagger techniques from the 14th/15th/16th centuries are stabbing (thrusting) attacks and counters to those types of attack. This is probably due partly to the type of weapon being used, often a "rondel" style dagger, optimized for thrusting, and the heavy wool clothing of Europeans of the period. However, even when daggers that obviously have a cutting edge are depicted, the predominance of thrusting is still there. I really believe this is due to the "inherent" stopping/killing power of the thrust. Cutting can lead to severe bleeding, etc. if you cut deeply, but can also be difficult through even moderate clothing. A deep thrust is more likely to damage a vital organ and cause the kind of injury that is difficult to survive. I'm afraid I can't back any of this up with any data right now, but I'll keep looking.Matt Anderson
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Funds awarded for disease resistance research in Norton grape
Dr. Chin-Feng Hwang, associate professor at the William H. Darr School of Agriculture, was awarded a $25,000 grant from the Missouri Department of Agriculture for his project "Exploring the Genetic Resources of Norton Grape for Fungal Disease Resistance." This award is from the Missouri Department of Agriculture Specialty Crop Block Grant Program (SCBGP).
"Norton (Vitis aestivalis), the official grape of the State of Missouri, is grown in many U.S. regions where V. vinifera(the European grape used for most winemaking worldwide, e.g., Pinot Noir) production requires extensive pesticide use for fungal diseases," said Hwang. "It has been reported that Norton is cold, hardy and resistant to several fungal pathogens including powdery mildew, downy mildew, Botrytis bunch rot and black rot."
The goal of this proposed project is to provide molecular genetic support to expedite a Norton grape breeding effort with the ultimate goal of improving viticultural performance and enological quality of new grape varieties well adapted to Missouri conditions. The funding will support the program through September 2013.
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#About the Darr School of Agriculture The William H. Darr School of Agriculture integrates excellence in teaching, service and research into each of the nine undergraduate and three graduate programs. Within the school, there are four units: general agriculture; agribusiness, agricultural education and communications; animal science; and environmental plant science and natural resources. Each program has unique research facilities that allow for hands-on research. New media resources
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Bit of a schocker isn't it? LAst week he was close to joining either barca or chelsea. I am not sure why they have bought him. Kaka, van der vart both play in the same central attacking role. Do you think he has the talent to oust those 2 ahead of him?


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A cute little lamb.
- The definition of a lamb is a baby sheep, the meat of sheep, a gentle or sweet person, or someone who is easily fooled because of inexperience.
- A newborn sheep is an example of a lamb.
- The meat traditionally used to make shepherd's pie is an example of lamb.
- An example of a person who is a lamb is someone who is very gentle with a new baby.
- A person who is tricked into giving money to a stranger is an example of someone who is a lamb.
- a young sheep
- the flesh of a young sheep, used as food
- lambskin
- a gentle or innocent person, particularly a child
- a loved person; dear
- a person easily tricked or outwitted, as an inexperienced speculator
Origin of lambMiddle English ; from Old English akin to German lamm (OHG lamb) ; from Indo-European an unverified form lonbhos (; from base an unverified form el-: see elk) from source Gothic lamb
intransitive verb
to give birth: said of a ewe
lamb Idioms
the Lamb
- Lamb, Charles (pen name Elia) 1775-1834; Eng. essayist & critic
- Lamb, Mary (Ann) 1764-1847; Eng. writer: sister of Charles & coauthor with him of Tales from Shakespeare
- Lamb, Willis Eugene 1913-; U.S. physicist
- a. A young sheep, especially one that is not yet weaned.b. The flesh of a young sheep used as meat.c. Lambskin.
- A sweet, mild-mannered person; a dear.
- One who can be duped or cheated especially in financial matters.
- Lamb Christianity Jesus.
intransitive verblambed, lamb·ing, lambs
To give birth to a young sheep.
Origin of lambMiddle English, from Old English.
(plural lambs or lambren)
- A young sheep.
- The flesh of a lamb or sheep used as food.
- (figuratively) A person who is meek, docile and easily led.
- A simple, unsophisticated person.
- (finance, slang) One who ignorantly speculates on the stock exchange and is victimized.
(third-person singular simple present lambs, present participle lambing, simple past and past participle lambed)
- (intransitive) Of a sheep, to give birth.
- (intransitive) To assist (sheep) to give birth.
- The shepherd was up all night, lambing her young ewes.
Old English lamb, from Proto-Germanic *lambaz (compare Dutch lam, German Lamm, Swedish lamm), from Proto-Indo-European *h₁l̥h₁onbʰos (compare Scottish Gaelic lon ("elk"), Ancient Greek έλαφος (élaphos, "red deer")), enlargement of *h₁elh₁én. More at elk.


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In the approach of Johnson City Cardinals' manager Johnny Rodriguez, seven is the same as one. His team ended a seven-game losing streak on Monday, but Rodriguez said his team was just trying to turn things around from Sunday's loss.Comments
The Cardinals improved to 12-12 on the season and gained a game on West Division leader Elizabethton, which was beaten 4-2 by Danville and fell to 16-9.Comments
Juan Santana went 3-for-4 with a double and an RBI and starter Robert Kahana allowed one unarned run in four innings as the Greeneville Astros completed a three-game sweep of Johnson City with an 8-3 win Friday at Pioneer Park.Comments
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First baseman Trent Woodward homered twice and drove in three runs, helping the Greeneville Astros defeat Johnson City 8-2 on Wednesday at Pioneer Park.Comments
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Nick Gordon and Max Murphy combined for four hits, three runs and a pair of RBIs to spark the Twins to a 9-3 win over Johnson City on Tuesday night in an Appalachian League baseball game played at East Tennessee State's Thomas Stadium.Comments
Elizabethton eventually worked its way to a 15-7 victory in an Appalachian League baseball game Monday night at Cardinal Park.Comments
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John Force and Robert Hight have the potential to double up in Dallas, Courtney is looking for her first Texas win and Brittany is pumped to be in her very first Countdown. Read More
John Force and Robert Hight have the potential to double up in Dallas, Courtney is looking for her first Texas win and Brittany is pumped to be in her very first Countdown. Read More
Robert Hight is motivated, Courtney is looking for a top three finish, John feels confident and Brittany is looking to bounce back at Brainerd. Read More
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The second annual Auto-Plus New England NHRA Nationals in Epping, New Hampshire proved to be a pivotal event with new season winners and a first in the NHRA with a husband and wife racing against each other for the Wally. All this played out live on ESPN. Read More
Tommy Johnson, Jr., Shawn Langdon, and Erica Enders-Stevens were all thankful for the full support of their dads on this Father's Day Sunday at the Bristol Dragway. Each personally got to thank him with a Wally at the Ford Thunder Valley NHRA Nationals. Read More
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Take pictures, be respectful and use your head.
Oh, one more thing... leave your bag unattended on the beach, in any country: Canada, US, Brazil, Mexico, UK etc. and you will probably loose it. It's not just a DR thing.
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Dear Parents,
We have had another excellent week! Over the past few weeks, the children have been adjusting to the classroom and have begun learning new concepts in large and small group lessons.
In Language, daily journal writing (for Kindergarteners) continues to be a favorite activity. Each day, the children copy the date and a written journal prompt from the board. They answer the prompt phonetically ("inventive writing") and then get to illustrate their answer. As the year progresses, the children love to see how far they have come in their writing ability since the beginning of the year!
To help unlock the meaning of language, we teach children to apply sense to symbols. They learn to associate sound pictures with letters and then to combine letters to make sounds. This progression happens naturally. Some children can decode single words and next can read sentences, paragraphs, and chapters with ease. For others, each step comes with great effort, and success is not always at hand. Some children may be able to decode at an early developmental age and others may take longer. They each seek what the proficient readers have – fluency. Fluency is the ability to read with speed, accuracy and expression – which are essential to comprehension – the primary goal of reading. This fluency comes with practice. Exposure to print, immersion in a rich linguistic environment (not limited to books) and practice, practice, practice all lead to fluent reading.
Some of the children are working on becoming more solid with their letter sounds. They enjoy working with the Waseca Reading Program. The Waseca Reading Program was designed to phonetically break the English language down into manageable pieces to be presented sequentially. The phonetic elements presented build cumulatively toward mastery of the language in terms of reading and spelling. The sequence of presentation follows that used by the Orton-Gillingham approach to reading and compliments the Phono-Graphix and Montessori approach. The Orton-Gillingham approach was developed for use with dyslexic students and is very thorough in terms of breaking our language down and isolating phonetic elements.
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In Math, some Preschool children and those new to our school are working on one-to-one correspondence (0-9), number rods, bead stair activities, teen numbers, the 100 board and the bead chains. Some of the children are working on the concept of addition, using counters and the golden beads.
In September Unit Studies on Vertebrates and Invertebrates and the Food Pyramid will begin; at the end of September we will begin to study the Solar System.
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What will happen if I take a shower with him?
Have you ever taken a shower with someone? If so what happened? My boyfriend wants to take a shower with me but I'm a virgin and I'm not ready for... Show More
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You can definitely take a shower that'll be fun with your boyfriend and not have sex. Just tell him kinda like a joke before you step in like, "I hope you know there'll be no having sex in there! haha!" If that doesn't get the point across, then plan on being in big trouble before too long as far as remaining a virgin much longer. It's also now a bad idea to just avoid the temptation all together because it might lead to losing it after you get out sooner than you had planned. Always avoid situations that put you in a weaker position on something you want to remain strong on.
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It's best not to take one with him at this point. You'll need to describe your boyfriend a little more so that we can better answer as well.
How long have you all been dating? How old are you all? Stuff like that. If you've been together for quite a while and he's respectful of your decision to stay a version then it won't seem as bad, but if you've only been together for a few months or so, then your better off making him wait or dumping him if he continues to ask you.
If you take a shower together you will probably have sex soon after if you don't end up having sex the first time you take a shower together. If you are not ready for that it would be best to not even tempt the fates. It would be like trying to stick to a healthy diet but visiting a dessert fair.
I can say that shower would lead to sex for you since you are a virgin. It doesn't always lead to sex, but again I think since you are a virgin the heat of the moment would be too much for you especially if he is a virgin too. You will get turned on a little and he will stand at attention. If you all make out his penis will probably rub up against you and maybe even touch you close to or right between you legs if he is long enough. Depending on what you do it might keep poking you in different places.
If you have never even touched a guy penis then with you having one right in front of you sticking out hard is just more temptation. Have you ever seen each other naked? If he has never seen a girl naked in person then I think getting to see, touch and rub or washing your boobs might be a little to much for each of you to hold back the natural instinctive urge to have sex.
Sorry to be so descriptive, but I wanted to make sure you knew what you was getting yourself into. I remember the first time I seen my first set of boobs in person we came so close to just having sex. It was like a domino effect...she showed me her chest and then one thing lead to another. The only reason we stopped is because we both knew we wasn't ready for sex, but we came so close that day. If we had a condom that day we probably would have went all the way.
Ok you're under 18 and I credit you for avoiding sex. (I'm not trying to bitch) However, in the spur of the moment all sorts of crap can happen. You two could wind up getting it on when you originally didn't plan for it. So the safest bet would be not to shower with him if your not comfortable. If he really cared he would understand. If you still want to shower with no sex that's up to you. It all depends on how comfortable you are with the whole deal.
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I was showering with my husband when we were dating LONG before we started having sex. He's extremely tall, and has a long back, so he always needs help washing his back :). However, it didn't mean we weren't doing other things. If you are uncomfortable at all showering with him right now, he needs to be understanding of that and stop asking. But, you also need to let him know that too. Guys don't just happen to know how we're feeling most of the time. Not telling him and assuming he knows by the way you act won't help, because most of the time, guys are totally oblivious to that :)
i can tell you that your first time won't happen in a shower... 1st of all its difficult to have sex in the shower... he prob just wants to be naked with you and share a moment like clean each others hair... if anything you could give him head. He'd like that. don't be nervous. I was at first but you get comfortable. enjoy it!
A shower can be fun, and it doesn't have to lead to sex, but it can get steamy from more than just the water being hot. Have you told him that you're not ready to have sex with him yet? If not, I'd definitely start there.
I've taken many showers with boyfriends, and it rarely leads to sex - at least not in the shower. It can be a fun way to start to get comfortable with each other physically, and a fun way to mix up the scenery. Also, if you're going to fool around (not have sex, just makeouts or what-have-you) after the shower, then it's a nice way to get cleaned up for each other.
I say if you trust him then go for it, and if not, then wait a bit. I think he'll be fine either way.
I'm a virgin too. I took a shower and it was a mind blowing experience. It was nice to be able to soap each other up:) You don't have to have sex, we didn't. Make sure you talk about not wanting to before hand, communication is key. If you do decide to have fun and don't worry, but showers will never be the same again!
I personally haven't showered with my boyfriend (yet) ha, but other of my friends have showered with their boyfriends a few times. And most of the time, they didn't have sex let alone did anything.
So, just because he wants to take a shower with you doesn't mean having sex with you is his intention.
And what other answerer has said, it would be cute if you made a jokingly comment about there not being any sex once you're stepping in.
There could be a lot of fun that just goes on. Like ask him to wash your hair and have spit water fights and blow bubbles at each other. (: But don't do it just because he really wants you to, make sure you actually want to do it yourself as well.
My boyfriend and I have recently talked about starting to shower together. However, we're waiting to have sex until we know we're pretty serious about each other (this is something we both want). First, I want to ask if this is something you actually want to do or is it because you want to please him? You should never let a guy talk you into something you're not comfortable with. I think figuring that out is the first step to making that decision. Showering together can be whatever you two want it to be. It can be an intimate (yet still an innocent thing), it could be causal, or it could be a "it's business time". That's something you need to discuss with your boyfriend. You both need to be on the same page before you do anything. That way to avoid an awkward situation and enjoy yourselves.
I'm a virgin too, so I understand your hesitation. If you're a virgin due to religion, I would avoid it all together because foreplay, arousal, sex is all the same according to the church. If you're still a virgin just because you aren't ready or haven't met the right one, I would still be very hesitant. Especially since you obviously haven't talked to your man about HIS intentions. That tells me you guys aren't that comfortable with each other yet/haven't been together that long, if you guys haven't talked about this stuff yet. Unless it is very clear to both of you what the other wants/ is expecting and you agree on it, I wouldn't do it. Seeing each other naked, kissing, touching each other is very arousing and can easily get out of hand. And losing your virginity in a shower would be awful. If you're not ready to lose your virginity yet, I wouldn't open that door quite yet. Hope this helped, good luck to you.
if he really loves you and respects you, then he would understand that you're not ready for sex. I'm a virgin my boyfriend knows that and respects that. We already took a shower together and we didn't have sex. It brought us even closer. He truly loves me and doesn't push me to do anything that I don't want to. So yeah, it is possible to take a shower with the person without having sex. Personal experience.
you can let him know beforehand that you're just not ready. But, it seems to me, unless he's a REALLY nice, honest guy, that he wouldn't want to take a shower if that's not what he had in mind in the first place. And, if you decide to take it, try not to get caught up in the moment because that's pretty much the point of no return, when you don't even care about morals, you just want to 'get it on'.
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The student's peer group is the single most potent source of influence on growth and development during the undergraduate years.~ Alexander Astin, researcher and author
West Liberty University is committed to helping students become engaged, active participants in the educational process and academic community. An exemplary Peer Tutoring Program is run through the Learning and Student Development Center. Tutoring staff are highly qualified and well trained to assist with courses in their major/minor field(s) of study.
Some benefits of peer tutoring for students include higher academic achievement, improved relationships with peers, improved personal and social development as well as increased motivation. (Topping, 2008)
By discussing concepts at an individualized pace and in greater detail; using higher-level questioning and supportive communication skills; helping students to identify their learning styles; providing specific study strategies; and developing student collaboration in group sessions, peer tutors can help students master material introduced in the traditional classroom setting and transition from secondary pedagogy to post-secondary andragogy.
FAQs about Studying with Others:
Q: Why do some students avoid tutoring/group study sessions?
- Some students believe an isolated environment is necessary for better concentration. This might be true if you just want to memorize, without processing or understanding information. And it's almost certain you will forget everything in a week! If you want to understand what and why you are studying, an interactive approach is a superior choice.
- When studying with others, you become vulnerable to exposing what you don't know. This is exactly why you should participate in a tutoring session/study group. Successful people overcome feelings of embarrassment or shame regarding what they don't know. Smart people realize they always have a lot to learn.
Q: Why is studying with others better than self-study?
- Studying with others allows you to realize what you don't understand. As annoying/embarrassing as this might be, it is better to address weaknesses in good time. This way, it's less likely you'll be caught off guard in class.
- Often it's difficult to understand every detail of a lecture or reading. Others may have paid more attention to parts you missed or have an understanding of something you don't – peers help one another fill in gaps. The best way to really learn and understand something is to explain it to others and receive feedback.
- Through a cooperative and/or competitive nature, study groups promote critical thinking and creativity as new questions and explanations arise through discussion and debate. An interactive environment ensures a deeper level of thinking and learning.
- The temptation to procrastinate is greater when studying alone. When studying alone, it's easy to rationalize – you make a cup of tea every hour (telling yourself it's important to stay hydrated), you check Facebook every five minutes (telling yourself you want to see if a classmate posted anything about the exam…). Taking breaks is important, but all of this stopping and starting contributes to wasted time, frustration and the development of ineffective study habits.
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Be very careful when choosing your companions. Tutors make excellent study buddies.
- Work with the people that motivate and inspire you.
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How (and Where) to Develop Film in the Digital Age
Posted By John Sevigny On September 29, 2009 @ 12:02 am In Art of Photography | 17 Comments
The world is hard on those of us who sometimes, or primarily, still like to work with film.
"Pro" labs handle lower and lower volumes of film, which in some cases results in chemicals that are refreshed less frequently and technicians who lack training, particularly with slide film.
I've gotten back negatives from "pro" labs that look like they were processed in seawater, with a handful of sand thrown in for good measure. I've received E6 slides with almost irreparable color casts. I've had negative film accidentally processed as slide film and seen lab employees mistreat film to a terrible degree, running ungloved fingers across it and even counting frames by touching them with their thumbs, one at a time, leaving a lovely, greasy print on each one.
There are a number of ways to get around this — but you'll have to use your people skills, learn to do things yourself, and probably forget about transparency film altogether. There's always the option of retiring your film cameras, of course. But though I shoot both film and digital, I don't picture myself abandoning film anytime soon.
The C41 Solution
The first and best step toward getting well-processed film back from any lab is to use C41-process emulsions. They are more or less idiot-proof, and because most of the film processed today is C41 color, even the cheapest labs are pretty good at running the negatives.
For black and white work, I use any of a number of chromogenic C41 films. They are better than many people think, and to my eyes, look "analog," unlike converted digital camera files.
A lot of people still want to use Velvia and other transparency films, which is fine. I can only advise shipping those out to truly professional labs that know what they're doing, possibly paying a premium, and crossing your fingers.
Going with C41 film allows you to get your film processed at almost any drugstore — and this is where the people skills come into play. Get to know the guy or gal who runs the machine. Treat him well. Give him precise instructions on handling your film. Chances are it will come out of the machine in good shape. (The damage usually comes later — if you make the mistake of allowing the person to cut your negatives, for example.)
I had a guy at a corner drugstore, who knew nothing about photography, trained to gently take the film by the end, lead it out of the machine so that it would not touch anything on the way out, and stick it to a relatively clean, glass display case using the single piece of tape already attached to the leader. When I arrived, my negatives were always in perfect condition. Drug store labs are also cheap.
Scanning Your Film
Given that we want labs handling our film as little as possible, I never have them make prints. Instead, I use a six-year-old Canon film scanner to make 20 megapixel, 16-bit TIFF files, which I prepare for printing using Photoshop, stick on any kind of memory device, and print later on any of a number of fine machines, such as Fuji's Frontier.
While new film scanners are getting harder to come by, second-hand scanners are all over the place. But buyer beware. Scanners are delicate, precision instruments and need to be working perfectly to produce the best results. With that caveat, you can make wonderful, massive and rich digital files from film with a scanner that costs less than $500. I've seen used Nikon scanners on sale for less than $200.
Back to the Darkroom
If you want to shoot anything but C41, you may want to consider going back to working in a darkroom, particularly for film. You're welcome to go on making optical prints as well, as many people love spending hours in the darkroom, but in terms of final product quality, I don't think the rewards are worth the trouble.
For me, the best solution for working with traditional films, for example 3200 asa TMAX, has been to develop the film in tanks, which doesn't require a lot of space, and scan the negatives later. Color negative and even transparency films can be dealt with the same way.
Time to Embrace the Digital Age?
I've already said that I'm not personally interested in scrapping film just yet. I enjoy working with my old manual-focus Nikons, and there are millions of Leica users out there who feel the same way. But it is an option.
Professional or "prosumer" DSLRs are getting better and cheaper all the time. Even budget Nikon and Canon small-sensor DSLRs are capable of producing amazing images. For color work, this may be the best solution.
But black and white aficionados, particularly those who cut their teeth before digital cameras came around, may not like the results of monochrome conversions from digital files. I know I don't. So I work the way I've described above.
While photography is now clearly dominated by digital cameras, and film shooters must deal with an increasing number of hassles, it's still possible to develop quality film in the Digital Age. You just have to put in a little more time and effort to make it happen.
17 Comments To "How (and Where) to Develop Film in the Digital Age"
#1 Comment By Fredrik Naumann On September 29, 2009 @ 6:47 am
While I share the passion for some of the film based cameras and their technical qualities - they were great tools - I think it the question now should be: WHY Develop Film in the Digital Age?
I think we are past the point were you can't get great prints from digital files. Perhaps it is a reluctance to learn new tools rather than the new tools themselves that are the problem of "black and white aficionados"?
Perhaps they could learn a few tricks from Jean Miele or others that have emabraced the new technology? ( [2])
#2 Comment By Eric Luden On September 29, 2009 @ 8:25 am
We just lost another Pro Lab in the Boston area not too long ago. Photographers are finding it harder and harder to get their films processed. We are fortunate to have a lab in our area called The Image Inn, run by Christine Ofria. She is still offering hand processing for black & white films and does an outstanding job. She is a purely analog lab and still offers optical printing on both RC & Fiber silver papers.
We have sent a number of our clients to her who want to have film processed but then scanned and printed large. We want to be sure that labs like The Image Inn survive, so that those of us who like shooting film for purely aesthetic reasons, have an option. So, put down the 20 meagpixel camera for a day, grab your nearest film camera and a roll of Ilford FP4+ and go out and shoot! It's a great way to slow things down a bit and enjoy shooting. It's not about which is better, it's about learning to slow down and think more about your exposure and the image you're making, not just capturing.
#3 Comment By David On September 29, 2009 @ 12:33 pm
Same problems here in South Africa. 5 Years ago any old lab did a good job, but lately even the good ones are quite crap. C41 and home scanning is the way to go with film for sure.
#4 Comment By Fort Lauderdale Photographer On September 29, 2009 @ 3:23 pm
When we got this apartment I didn't know how lucky we were but the only pro-lab for 50 miles is a block away.
Pompano Pro lab is the best place around Fort Lauderdale for sure.
#5 Comment By Ken Kollodge On September 29, 2009 @ 4:41 pm
There may be a handful interested in film that may not know this. So, my comments are for you.
You don't need a darkroom to process 35mm and 120 film in tanks. Just get a "dark tent" , basically an elaborate "changing bag" to spool your film onto the reels. Once the films are on the reels and placed in the tank with the cap on, all the rest is done in the light anyway. I got my dark tent at Calumet years ago and it works perfect, takes up no space since it folds flat and you don't need an extra room. You can now scan the negs/chromes and print digitally or send the film of to a lab for prints. You can even load sheet film holders in the dark tents and there may be some sheet film processing tanks still around so you can process sheet film also.
#6 Comment By ian campbell On September 30, 2009 @ 10:15 am
agreed -- my hands live in a big changing bag these days.
#7 Comment By Stanley Leary On September 30, 2009 @ 2:30 pm
Digital far surpasses film. With training you can diminish the quality and get film look if you want. They even have plug-ins you can buy that will do all the steps for you if you choose.
I hear this wining all the time and rarely is it coming from someone who knows how to use digital and chooses to shoot film. It most all the time is someone who refuses to learn about digital.
Go take some classes and find out how much you can achieve. The dynamic range alone with digital is reason enough to switch. You can also easily shoot multiple exposures and increase the dynamic range beyond your imagination. Cameras will do this in the camera or you can bring it into PhotoShop and use HDR.
Another great reason film should die is how bad it is for the environment. The chemicals get into our water supply and take a lot to filter out the harmful parts.
Kodak continues to shut down their plants from making film and processing.
I agree with Fredrik's comment "WHY Develop Film in the Digital Age? "
#8 Comment By ian campbell On September 30, 2009 @ 11:13 pm
...well, I rather like black and white, and I really can't see screens very well in bright sunlight outside... so why not use the 35mm and 120mm and 5x7 every so often? I still use digital, but there are times when I LIKE to use an old, close to the ground system. It's not actually a criminal offence, you know...
#9 Comment By Stanley Leary On October 4, 2009 @ 1:16 pm
"I really can't see screens very well in bright sunlight outside..."
And how does film help with this? Nothing to see.
#10 Comment By Denver Engagement Photographer On October 5, 2009 @ 4:18 pm
after recently getting back to film, just got an f100 I'm curious to see how the labs are now a days.
#11 Comment By John Sevigny On October 11, 2009 @ 7:12 pm
Thanks for reading and for all your comments. This was not meant to spark a film vs. digital debate, which is a pretty tired subject by now. Some people like film. Some like digital. Some, like me, use both. Questions as to "why" anyone would shoot film vary from photographer to photographer. Film looks different. Not better. Not worse. Just different. It reacts to light differently, needs to be handled differently, and may bring a certain joy to some of us who don't feel the same shooting digital (and I do use both). I say, to each his/her own. Best to everyone.
#12 Comment By Hector Borroto On October 19, 2009 @ 7:02 pm
I need to develop 3 rolls of B&W film 35 mm ,could you advise me where to take this rolls in Miami,
Thank you ,
#13 Comment By Kathleen J On October 26, 2009 @ 6:17 pm
Why are some of these people so ugly in their attitudes towards artistic freedom? Yes, do we remember that a real artist is allowed to choose their medium. And regardless of what any of you digital people say, IT cannot duplicate the qualities of a fine silver print no matter how hard you try. We have one of the foremost digital printing companies in the US here in Denver, and hsi prints still look like digital prints, NOT silver prints. Why can't everyone just respect a person's RIGHT to use the camera of their choice.
#14 Comment By Michelle On December 27, 2009 @ 7:56 pm
I agree with Kathleen. There is a certain aesthetic quality achieved through film. Do some online investigation and look into a camera called a Holga. You can't get photos like that unless you photoshop, and even then its not the same.
#15 Comment By Bob Baggett On April 13, 2010 @ 11:13 am
April 2010,
Florida State Certified Archival black & white
film processing and printing.
#16 Comment By Film Developing On June 7, 2010 @ 7:38 am
"you may want to consider going back to working in a darkroom, particularly for film"
Yes - you can often get better quality images this way
#17 Comment By Dallas Cheked On May 20, 2013 @ 2:33 am
The only film cameras I DON'T miss are the Polaroid
instant cameras. Those pictures were usually lousy!
Digital does surpass them by a long shot!
I still love the feel of a traditional 35mm SLR and the closest I could come to those qualities is the Olympus OM-D, though it is mirrorless. And the price isn't all that bad. I am not impressed with the DSLR's that are not full-frame. The viewfinders are terrible! I use a super-zoom point-and-shoot for now and it does a decent job for what I paid for it. But I still like to get out my Pentax ME to shoot an occasional roll of film and reflect on the simpler, better good old days. Now if they could make a digital version of the Pentax ME along with its big beautiful viewfinder plus a hi-res OLED monitor, I'll be happy.
I'll still challenge digital to compete with my old Kodachromes!
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So much for policies aimed at broadband diffusion. What policy-makers really want to know is what the pay-off will be in terms of economic growth and social development.
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The government needs to follow the example of Korea and create an environment where communities and small firms can build broadband infrastructure from the ground up, where they need it and when they need it. It should not be left to the big telecoms providers alone to provide such a critical public infrastructure.
Anthony Townsend is adjunct professor of communications and urban planning at New York University. He has received a Fulbright scholarship to study how the broadband revolution is playing out on the streets of Seoul, and you can follow his adventure at http://urban.blogs.com/seoul


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I'm trying to read the signals sent from the VEX transmitter to the VEX receiver through my Arduino Mega. I started with this code and then made some modifications to visualize the outputs.
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