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Ticonderoga Ryan Bush was born to run.
"When he was just a baby we'd put him in a stroller and run," his father, Rick Bush Jr., recalled. "We took him to races all over the area. He's been around running his entire life. It's a big part of our family."
The young runner with ties to Ticonderoga will compete for a national championship Dec. 8 in Albuquerque, N.M.
Ryan, age 8, will run in the USA Track and Field National Junior Olympic Cross Country Championships at Balloon Fiesta Park.
He qualified for the 2,000-meter championship race by winning his class at the Adirondack Region championship race in Saratoga and then taking third place in the New England Region race on Long Island. He hopes to make the top 25 at the national event.
"We're very proud of Ryan," his father said. "He has a real passion for running. He loves the sport."
Ryan is a typical 8 year old. He also plays soccer, basketball and baseball.
"He's involved in all sports," Rick said. "He loves to run, but he really doesn't train. He's not running a lot of miles. We try to pull him back a little bit."
Ryan is looking forward to the championship race and the trip to New Mexico.
"He's really excited," his father said. "For a while he thought he was going to Mexico, not New Mexico. It's neat to see his excitement."
Ryan is the son of Rick and Dana Ostrander Bush, Saratoga residents who spend time each summer at the family's home on Black Point Road in Ticonderoga. He is the grandson of Rick and Mary Bush, both Ticonderoga natives.
The Bush family has a long history in Ticonderoga. Ryan's great-grandparents were Walter "Tuffy" and Elsie (Gallant) Bush and Ed and Kay (Dion) Shattuck. Great-great-grandmother Corina "Queenie" Gallant was a long-time history teacher in Ti and was instrumental in the construction of St. Mary's School.
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Whatever you do, don't call Leah LaBelle an overnight success. While it's true that she walked into an audition for LA Reid last year and was given a deal with Epic Records on the spot, she's been putting in work to become an artist for the better part of the last 10 years. A former Berklee College of Music student, LaBelle was a contestant on the third season of American Idol back in 2004, but even with the support of Paula Abdul, wasn't able to advance past the semifinal round. She kept grinding, though, posting covers of artists like Beyoncé ("Sweet Dreams") and Frank Ocean ("Thinking About You") on her MissLabelle1 YouTube Channel, eventually catching the eye of superproducers Pharrell Williams and Jermaine Dupri.
The trio of music industry heavyweights — LA, JD and Pharrell — have been working on material for Leah LaBelle's debut album (release date still TBD) for close to a year now, and the stunning LaBelle decided to give the new songs a live trial-run during a 6-song showcase in front of 200 or so sweaty onlookers at New York City's Tribeca Grand Hotel last night. Before she took the stage, each one of these gents took some time to explain what they see in LaBelle, where LA explained that "She has soul. She has real soul, like real, real bonafide singer soul, like you don't hear. And you especially don't hear this from girls that are so cute."
You would expect that kind of praise from a born promoter like LA, but once LaBelle hit the stage, she more than delivered on that promise, both in the voice and looks department. There's no use tiptoeing around the fact that LaBelle is gorgeous —the moment she hit the stage, we witnessed a hundred or so jaws simultaneously dropping to the floor— but to LA's point, her vocal chops are legit, and she's got that charismatic "it" factor as a performer. Truth be told, she kind of reminds us a bit of a female Robin Thicke, in that her sound is perfectly suited for the urban market in a way that feels both wholly authentic and completely organic.


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On Tuesday evening, April 24, USGBC co-hosted a reception with the Congressional Green Schools Caucus to celebrate the third annual release of the Princeton Review's Guide to 322 Green Colleges, 2012 Edition.
The program featured remarks from Congressman Robert Dold (R-IL), co-chair of the Congressional Green Schools Caucus, who welcomed the attendees to Capitol Hill and spoke about the importance of green schools. Jayson Greene from the Princeton Review discussed their imperative to create this popular resource and Andrea Trimble from Harvard University's Office for Sustainability, who also serves as a National Chair for USGBC Students, provided case studies about sustainability efforts on college campuses universities, and announced Harvard's 75 LEED certification.
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Clayton and I met during our college welcome week at UC San Diego! His roommate, Tim, and my suitemate, Kristel, were family friends and wanted to meet up since they hadn't seen each other in a while. I tagged along with Kristel, as Clayton and one of his suitemates did with Tim. We met at the Earl Warren dining hall - how romantic!
I'm somewhat shy, but went for it and talked to Clayton. I was excited right off the bat by some of our shared interests, like both entering college with a major in Spanish. Our relationship started almost immediately. We stayed together through the whole four years of college. He cared for me during many ups and downs. After Clayton got a job at Sony Pictures upon graduation, we moved to Culver City. Soon I joined him at Sony Pictures, though in a different dept. I never once pushed marriage because we both knew that it would happen.
For our fifth anniversary, Clayton had planned an outing that I knew nothing about. He had started planning it months out! I was so excited to learn what he had been up to. We took the day off work on Friday, September 21st, 2007, and headed to our destination. As we got closer, Clayton made me wear a blindfold! Once we arrived, he let me take it off and I saw the Long Beach Port sign. We were going on a cruise! We boarded the Carnival Cruise Line for a nice weekend trip to Ensenada. It was nice being able to spend time with each other and relax.
Sunday was our actual anniversary, and we took a stroll around the deck of the ship that morning. We came to a quiet shaded area where we were by ourselves and able to stare out into the ocean and lose ourselves in the rhythmic splashing of the waves. Clayton turned to me and said, "Do you know what today is? It's the summer solstice. Do you know what that means?" I responded, "The first day of summer." I guess that was not the answer he was looking for. Clayton went on to say it means that there are twelve hours of sunlight and twelve hours of dark that day; people consider it a lucky day. "That's why it's such a perfect time to ask you - will you marry me?" Of course I said, "Yes," as tears started to roll down my cheeks. We hugged and kissed, cherishing the moment.
Two years later, we are getting into the thick of wedding planning. Trying to stick to a budget is a tough goal, but we're determined! I'm enjoying myself thus far. We recently started looking at invitations on the Wedding Paper Divas site and fell in love with Moroccan Nights! It fits perfectly with the look and feel of the venue we chose in La Jolla, which is a historic house with Spanish and Moroccan architecture and design.


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From the Alumni House:
Lauren Castellano Compitello and her husband, Joe, have a daughter, Alyssa
Elizabeth, born July 7, 2004. They reside in Newtown, and Lauren teaches at Richboro Elementary
in the Council Rock School District.
Carrie Cooper moved to a house in Conshohocken with Melissa Keysock '02
and Erin Mensel.
Kristin Kuchera teaches fourth grade and loves it. Erin Lund married
Chris Howard on October 9 in Harrisburg. Her wedding party included Paula Saslafsky, Timothy
Schaeffer, and Stephanie Hachey '05. Observers included Jillian
Kalweit, Alicia Fowler, Joseph Dougherty, and Jennifer
Nelson, as well as Sarah Wagenseller, Kristin Franks, Kyle
Slemmer, and Evan Donovan, all from the Class of '05. Erin and
Chris reside in Whitehall.
Kelly Vansickle recently moved from Paducah, Kentucky, to Harrisburg
and rents an apartment in the same complex as Drew Horton '03. Kelly works
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Scott Zientek has moved to Fairfax, Virginia, and works as a sales representative
for Ortho McNeil Neurologics.
Joshua Weaknecht and Carrie- Ann Katana are engaged and plan their wedding
for July 23.
Nikola Krpan has received a fellowship from the German Academic Exchange
Service (DAAD) that covers all living, travel, tuition, and language study expenses for
his graduate career at a German university of his choice.
Chrissy Koonce married Donovan Schaffer on January 15. In attendance
were her multiple housemates from Moravian: Heather Deeble, Brooke
Dancho, Jess Marchand, Leah Williams, and Jaya
After graduating with her master's degree in pharmacology from the University of Pennsylvania,
Leah Williams became a project manager for a clinical trials management company. She is
now a medical editor at Phillips Oncology Communications Company, based in Philadelphia
and Atlanta. She spends part of her time in each city.
Jessica Kistler is in the Hershey Symphony and is a junior choir director
at Lititz Moravian Church in Lititz. She has also taught at Lebanon Valley College.
Maggie Awad married Kenneth Abboud on June 21, 2003. Sarah Parker was
one of 10 bridesmaids. Among the 400 family and friends that attended were classmates Clara
Thorne and Chris Gilbert. In 2001, Maggie and Ken started their
own computer network company, ACI, based in Bethlehem with a remote office in West Chester.
They live in Bethlehem and expect their first child in September.
Reunion Homecoming 2005
Rachel O'Donnel has received a graduate assistantship in the Center for
Research on Latin America within the political science department of York University, Toronto,
Canada. An honors graduate in political science, Rachel received the Albert Ferkel Jr.
Award and the Alumni Prize for Outstanding Achievement in the Social Sciences at her commencement.
Rachel has been a Peace Corps volunteer in Guatemala for the last three years.
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Going to the Movies: Leena
Starting at the age of 12, Leena relied on the Naz 8 (now closed) for her Bollywood fix. These days she has a few other options available, but nothing can replace the bickering aunties and screeching children of the Indian multiplex of her youth. And whatever you do, do not miss her re-enactment of the cinema's hotline listing that week's offerings and bragging about a film featuring "the one and only superstar, heartthrob of millions, yes, the one and only Sanjay Dutt."
She also has a great post on her experiences renting Bollywood films in the San Francisco area here.
Leena, Beth is desperate to go to the movies with you. She knows exactly what you mean when you talk about missing your little raffle ticket stub. Call her.
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AHAHAHAHAHA!! Everytime I listen to that "recording", it just kills me even more. Ah yes, the days when Sanjay Dutt was the biggest star in the world.ReplyDelete
Totally! I think I'm on listen #4 and it just gets funnier. Maybe I'll start answering my phone like that....ReplyDelete
Beth, you crack me up! LOL@ "listen #4..." -- so your stocking's the one Santa stuffed with that ever-elusive gift, Time! **Seethes with jealousy**ReplyDelete
Leena's recollections of (what was once) Naz 8 are awesome indeed, especially her hotline mimicry. Reminds me of the hives-inducing dentist ads and Chevy dealership ads they run on Namaste America every Saturday (that I religiously FF now, thanks to TiVo). Flabbergasted that they still torture the captive audience like T-Series once did with its Hindi album cassettes -- an effing ad after EVERY favorite song. It's not like you can hit skip, you know...tape rewinds are tedious. In her post a while ago IIRC, Memsaab had also waxed poetic on the pestilence that's (un-forwardable desi DVD) ads. Why why why do they do this?? One of universe's milky mysteries, I suppose.
About Naz 8. I had NO IDEA the cinema house I'd seen all of two (Tamil) movies at (as elaborated in my GttM story that's patiently sitting in your queue, speaking of which Leena's informed eloquence -- and that of others before her -- puts my inane ramblings to shame) had so much quirkiness going for it.
Now I'm extra sorry I never made it to the Naz!ReplyDelete
Haha..this was SO funny. I loved not just the mimicry but also the bit about aunties fighting over seats, A/Cs turned on either too high or too low and children inappropriately brought to the cinema. So typical!!! Nice one, Leena.ReplyDelete


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Its part of a bigger issue for me, if you have mecahnics in games that allow players to interfere with others players game time you will reduce your potential playerbase. This is a core aspect of sandbox gaming as I read it from many posters on here, things like OPvP, FFA PVP, territorial control, deep crafting systems, taming etc.. its just that some are more insidious than others and at the top you have FFA PvP. So dev's have a really hard task of balancing the various player driven tools that sandboxes require to make them work as the more freedom you give players the more exploits will be found. Its why I believe dev's have shied away from making UO/SWG style games they are just way to complicated to get right.
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pretty much this. hard to take this seriously when the whole point the OP is trying to make, doesnt even really exist.
Originally posted by Loktofeit
It's a frigging sandbox, it is in the name, the choice to kill someone however, whenever you damn well please is right there and having no consequence to that event (IE no full loot drop) will actually spurr griefing along (the victim won't care and the victim's friends certainly won't, just a corpse run or res and that's it). The farther you go away from giving players choices the less the game is a sandbox and more an open world one. If PVEers, world builders, roleplayers, etc, want a place in an actual sandbox game let them fight for it if not then stop poluting the definition of a sandbox MMO game with the traits of a sandbox singleplayer game, they are different and if people want to spend time build, crafting, whatnot without risking pvp they have plenty of open world games to choose from in the MMO genre and quite a few epic singleplayer sandboxes (minecraft anyone?).
Christ its getting to the point where I think CVA was a fluke in MMO terms (roleplayers, industrials, PVEers from EVE whom live in a sector of space they claim and defend viciously from invasions and raiders, their patch of 0.0 space is amongst the safest in the whole of EVE which isn't saying much but when you see PVEers gathering in mass to form pirate/ganker hunting parties you get the point of what people who fight for their rights can do). Less entitled demands of castrating MMO sandboxes to fit your warped demands on the medium and more fighting for your rights gents ;) (and to repeat: I hate PVP XD but EVE is a good example of why PVP in a sandbox augments the experience, not takes away from it).
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Originally posted by RefMinor
For your information, MMORPGs are ALREADY lobby co-op games. Otherwise, why do you think i am here?
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Originally posted by Dihoru
It had what I would call 'full loss.' Most of the loot *blows up* before it gets into the looter's hands. This changes the behavioral incentives a fair bit compared to literal "full loot" systems. And also allows it to act as a wealth-sink rather than just a wealth-redistribution method.
Not everyone will take that incentive; some just want to blow shit up while others are doing their pew-pew in contexts where such things don't make much sense. But then they have to find other means of income to support their own losses when it's inevitably their turn to get blowed-up, which takes them out of the action for a bit themselves (either before to build a buffer, or after to rebuild.)
I doubt this is what the OP was thinking about, but the idea is at least somewhat outside the normal box...
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Originally posted by KaosProphet
This is 1 mechanic most games are missing, wealth sinks. They help the games economy no matter how you see them.
sandbox =/= full loot open world pvp.
More sandbox games have limited, or no pvp at all.
Even newer sandbox like AOW doesnt have full loot pvp. These misconceptions lead people down the wrong path and need to stop.
Newer games like Archeage wont have full loot either nor will several other sandbox style games coming out later on.
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The corpse loot FFA PvP server in Age of Conan has the least population, corpse loot is not that popular because it is stressful
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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.
I have a simple suggestion that'd make it slightly more fun.
each crafted item has the name of the crafter written in green, and the name of each looter written in red in a list.
who knows, maybe 2 years later you get back that microwarpdrive you lost during a failed bomb run. :D
again, this is not a game-changer, just a very small suggestion. :). don't expect it to fix mmo's for ever.
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Originally posted by Rhonen
I endorse this approach. Mostly.
See, as far as I'm concerned 'mainstreaming' games such that they try to have some nominal appeal to everyone, all at once, is about the worst thing to happen to MMO gameplay. It did wonders for the budgets, allowing for massive increases in the technical quality; but then they couldn't afford to cater that game to anyone *but* the casuals who wanted a little bit of everything but not a lot of anything.
Originally posted by Onomas
AoW is a sandpark by the developer's own admission -_-... take your own advice with misconceptions.
In that same vein Ascheron's Call is also classified as a sandpark by its characteristics (questing as a means of improving your character).
Pretty much any PVE "sandbox" is actually a hybrid with what sandbox elements it does have (housing, crafting, etc) basically being pointless in the grand scheme of things (no strife means no reason to actually have anything besides one upping your guild mates/adversaries).
When I say full loot I mean you lose everything you have on you at that time not that the looter gets everything (so an EVE system, yes).
The thing I don't get though is why people are so adverse to losing pixels? I mean you should invest in your character not the crap he wears/uses/flies, I mean yeah I am attached to some of my ships in EVE but unless it gets blown up by a in-game glitch I really don't care (even my first Tengu, which I still have, which I spent months building and over a year tweaking and improving its fit, if it goes poof I'll miss it for the 20-30 min it would take me to put another one back together). Play smart and no matter how much you get ganked you'll never be running around in your unmentionables but if you're an entitled little man child who thinks items are everything then yeah... you'll be crying allot in that type of game.
Thank you maintence for the double post x.x
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Originally posted by MMOExposed
Interestingly enough EvE doesn't have full looting, it's random, but look at a 50% chance of a drop.
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Originally posted by Dihoru
No such thing as a sandpark or a hybrid. Those terms are only used by people that do not know the difference and similar aspects of each style. They use such words to make it sound better for themselves. In actuality, its still a sandbox. But many here never played one or played a game outside the normal cookie-cutter wow clone to know the difference. Including most the developers that have created these monsterous things they are releasing as mmorpg's today.
Sandbox does everything, a themepark limits everything. You can not sit there and say something is a sandpark because it has quests and a story because every freaking sandbox has quests and story either via personal story ot developer created story. Its just not handed to you on a silver platter like themeparks. There is nothing a themepark has or hasnt done that a sandbox hasnt already done. Thus you can not say its a hybrid, because in simplest form its still a sandbox. Sandbox games incoorporate everything into the game via by players or developers, themeparks limit everything. Calling a sandbox a sandpark is an insult.
Where does it say sandbox can not have quests? Every sandbox i have played has had quests. Does not say anywhere that a sandbox can not have levels or classes either. Only misconception here is you have no clue what a sandbox is.
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Originally posted by Yizle
Exactly, only problem is with most of today's masses of gamers it brings in too much thought into play, preparation? what's that, I "= they" want it all and want it now. Unfortunaly we can't blame them cause many where introduced by games of that nature when internet became more mainstream.
On Topic: I still feel FFA Full Loot has it's place in a mmorpg, but as said many times only if it's optional, that too me is the only way it can be fun. In a MMORPG gamers want to get to know the game, the world, the feature's/mechanics, the lore/story. Some will pursue just that, some will seek other forms like PVP. Of course the "I want it all and want it now" will start complaining that pvp s%cks as no one is playing it. A MMORPG player will or should understand that things in a MMORPG should/could take time.
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Originally posted by Onomas
Fixed...in my opinion
Originally posted by Reklaw
So what you are saying is you think sandboxes do not have freedom, choice, tons of features, and optional game mechanics to allow players to create content to prolong the fun and longevity of a sandbox? Because all the new themepark games are #1 in sales, subs, and last for decades right? Because themeparks just offer so many features and never ending story to keep its player base going for years right?
Because if that is what you are saying.........................
As long as gear is easily replaceable i'm fine with it. Eve Online, and perhaps Mortal online being good examples of how I think FFA looting should work. The game probably shouldn't have traditional levels either, if you've played Tera/any recent open world pvp game, you know high levels will just run around ganking lowbies who can't fight back.
While I enjoyed the game, I did not like the way it was done in Lineage 2 as an example. Back at release I've had situations in which i've had to completely scrap a character and start over because some maxed out player took a pair of weapons that I could not afford to replace, not even with something out of the vendor due to the insanely high price of everything.
Originally posted by Onomas
Now if you want to talk on equal footing go check where the term sandbox originated and which MMOs shaped its definition (hint it ain't Ascheron's Moan or any of the craptastic open world grindfests you seem to dellude yourself into calling sandboxes).
Also fun fact: A themepark is not a limited sandbox, it doesn't even come from the same area, a sandbox has very little to no character progression, the in-game goals are so different as to beg the questions why even put them in the same room, the options of what you want to do is completely up to you (you could only see what the developers left in place, example: EVE Online's missioning, or you could see the plethora of services you could provide in the emergent gameplay experience, example from eve: being a black/red frog freighter pilot, running an investment bank, running a lottery, becoming a professional spy, becoming a assets thief, etc) whereas in open world/themepark games your options are drastically limited by classes/optimal skill builds, area available for housing, area available for sculpting, area available for crafting (if it allows husbandry or farming), etc,etc because again with no real FFA full loot (everything is lost but not everything can be looted) your worlds are static, once crap gets put down unless the guys owning it leave the game and the game has a gold sink via taxing (thus houses and whatnot get repoed) your world will never change beyond the first few weeks/months, ergo the games without strife are not sandboxes, they are at best sandparks, at worse themeparks with sandbox elements glued on without any real consideration or depth.
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Originally posted by Onomas
huh, perhaps try and read again what's behind sandbox =/=


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