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We threw the penguins a party! While it's breeding season for the penguins, not all of them are stuck at home in their nest box. We planned a bright and colorful enrichment session for a few of the penguins, not currently preoccupied with nesting.
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Parenting and Predation | Julien
We have had some exciting trips out on the water with the small spring storms and more of the northbound gray whale migration! We have still been seeing many juveniles heading north, which makes sense since many of the whales without calves are the first to pass our coast.
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Milo the sea lion does a high back flip. Lou the sea turtle glides through the water. Ollie the sea otter enjoys a slide. These are descriptions of some snapshots of the Aquarium of the Pacific's critters from the past few months.
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Tuesday, April 01, 2014
Musical Magpie | Dominique
The Aquarium's magpie Ian seems to like making noise and tapping out a beat with his beak. We gave him a toy piano to see if he could turn the beat into music.
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Thursday, March 27, 2014
You Know You've Been an Animal Care Volunteer a Long Time When… | Hugh
You know you've been an animal care volunteer at the Aquarium of the Pacific for a long time when you can alley-oop a herring to a sea lion better than Chris Paul can alley-oop a basketball to Blake Griffin and can pitch a clam to the paw of a sea otter more accurately than Clayton Kershaw can pitch a baseball to the glove of a catcher. Check out the rest of the just-for-fun look at a decade-and-a-half-worth of experiences of a longtime Aquarium volunteer.
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False Killer Whales! | Julien
"A what killer whale?" This might be the first question you have after reading the title of this blog. Answer: super cool, super rare toothed whales. Read on to see some more information and pictures!
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One Smoothie, with a Cricket Boost! | Dominique
The otters like smoothies. The lorikeets like smoothies. Why not some of our other animals? Enrichment Intern AnnMarie makes a smoothie for our bearded dragon!
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Thursday, March 13, 2014
Happy 17th Birthday, Charlie! | Hugh
Charlie is a very special sea otter. He was the first otter in the world to give a voluntary blood sample. He participated in a landmark study on sea otter auditory abilities. And he and longtime female otter companion Brook were there in 1998 when the Aquarium of the Pacific first opened. On March 1, 2014, Charlie celebrated his seventeenth birthday.
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Tuesday, March 04, 2014
Simply Enriching | Dominique
Not all enrichment devices have to be complicated puzzles or handcrafted toys. Sometimes simple things can bring great satisfaction.
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Saturday, March 01, 2014
Humpbacks Here and Humpbacks There! | Julien
While we spend a lot of time on the water in SoCal, we also like to travel to other places to see and learn about whales. Kera Mathes, our boat programs coordinator, and I recently took a long vacation to the Big Island of Hawaii, where I used to live. We spent ten days in Hilo and Kona looking for whales! Read on to find out what is going on in the world of whales, and check out some great shots taken from the islands.

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Originally posted by Vannor
1. Regardlless of who comes up with the idea, I find it impossible to believe that Trion didnt approve it before it went out. So even if trion didnt come up with it, they still agreed that it was their best bet.
2. Its remembered because it made Rift look bad. People remember the irony of it. Perfect marketing doesnt conjure up negative impressions about the product. And really, most people just laughed at it and moved on. It wasnt edgy or contraversial, just kind of dumb, especially since it turned out to be a pretty blatant WoW clone at launch. But hey, perfect marketing should emphasize your flaws, right?
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Originally posted by strangiato2112
They targeted WoW players so they would do exactly what you are doing. Well done, you are a prime unwitting victim of their genious marketing technique. Thanks to you lot, everyone who has heard of WoW has also heard of Rift.. and it cost very little. They played on the flaws in WoW's community to increase the awareness of their own game for free, perfect.
Originally posted by Vannor
Um, Im not posting in a WoW forum, am I? Im posting in a RIFT forum. Everyone that visits MMORPG.com is well aware of Rift. So how does me posting in a Rift forum mean everyone that plays WoW knows about Rift? But yes, Im suuuure that slogan caused more awareness than ads on mmo-champion or Rift's presence on curse (THAT is free advertising right there)
I think you are under some delusion that the WoW community cared. They didn't. Of all the negative things you can say about the WoW community they do have one big positive compared to other games: they dont obsess over games they arent playing.
And I'm sure Trion knows this. No, this ad campaign was focused towards people that don't like WoW, or grew tired of it. And yes, it got some of those people to try their game. But it already put the WoW comparison in their heads, so they are going to scream WoW-clone when so much was so similar. So if they didn't like WoW, or grew tired of it, why would they want to play a WoW-clone?
And this is why its bad advertising: It was targeting people that wanted something different from another product, yet offering something extremely similar to that product. It's like showing an advertisement of a movie theater playng Die Hard 6, Rambo 7, and Terminator 10 and having someone say 'man, I sure wish there was another option' and then flashing THE EXPENDABLES on the screen. Someone that doesnt want to see a die hard sequel is going to want to see Expendables? Not likely. And while it will trick some people into the door, negative word of mouth will spread and it will hurt future showings. And forget about Expendables II, you just turned off a lot of people no matter how good expendables II may be.
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everyone that visits a wow fansite will have been aware of it aswell, that is his point. As it made frontpages on pretty much every single one of them, including the wow official forums.
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Originally posted by strangiato2112
I don't think F2P would fit RIFT best. I don't think it's a horrible idea, but I think B2P would fit it better. Trion would profit up front and could still make additional revenue from their micro-transactions (the mounts and CE upgrades). I think they could be a lot more profitible from the volume of sales than they are now.
Originally posted by Torvaldr
I don't see why they should break their monetary model, especially considering that they are profitable enough not only to develop for Rift, but for two more games apparently. The B2P model worked for GW2, because the game was built to be a short term entertainment, a sort of secondary mmorpg. Rift was build to be a primary mmorpg, which is what it is for its subscribers.
I don't understand why people try to change aspects of the games that work. In games like LOTRO for example, it was obviously that something wasn't working and the change helped. Why would Rift change the monetary model though? Why EVE do it (another successful subscription based game). If they had issues then I would understand, but changing the model changes the gameplay aspects as well.
Originally posted by Torvaldr
B2P only works if you can get massive box sales. A large part of MMO costs are fixed (in theory salaries should be a fixed cost). While there are some incremental costs due to bandwidth and cs team and such, the bulk of your costs are fixed. So a huge amount of boxescould mean you have your fixed costs covered til next expansion, as well as a big chunk of the variable costs and have to make less per player.
Originally posted by Xasapis
LOTRO had more subscribers when it went f2p than Rift has now. LOTRO was around 250k when it made the transition.
And they arent developing two more games on Rift's revenue. They have raised nearly 200 million in capital.
I am baffled how people think at this point that Rift is magically doing great as the NA servers drop from 56 to 8 in less than 2 years.
What's the measure of success? WoW numbers? Or actually be profitable, have a team that constantly develops for the game and probably the most important of all as far as mmorpgs go although it is subjective, the feeling that the game has a future, as opposed to slowly dying.
Take SW:TOR for example as an opposite example, so to speak. SW:TOR still has a bigger following than Rift. Which of the two has a future though, looking at them at this point in time?
Originally posted by Xasapis
We don't know enough about the populations of either. If i had to guess they will both still be around in 5 years.
I really think Rift isnt in the shape many people think it is, and that A LOT is banking on Storm Legion. And Storm legion is great-for fans of Rift. But it needs to grow Rift's fan base and I am not sure if it will do that. No one is sure. But I think that the worst case is probably Rift survives but has to alter revenue models.
And i dont see SWTOR falling off the face of the earth either. In fact, that game has the most potential of any to turn it around. People still want to play in the Star Wars unverse so if they can fix things up a bit there is hope. Its not like its a VG-esque technical disaster.
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Rift rift and rift, all the serious rift players that I know buy the anual sub, so they got a income boost a little while back, some even bought the anual and then still dit other buys, some of my friends subs only run out in 2014.
So from a current player base, they are very well recieved and supported.
I feel like they are the best dev team out there currently in the market, they listen 2 their player base.
For that fact alone they should grow, since no word is better than the word of mouth.
Anyway that be my 2cents, with regards to the xpack not focusing on Pvp, I call BS, why??! Because Conquest was the big Pvp update, and they brought that out before the xpack, because they felt the ppl playing deserved it, so how can you judge them on not providing a large pvp update with the xpack, when they made a hudge one before it?
Anyhow, for me this games pvp just rocks !!! :P
Ok go ahead and shred my body :D
I don't care for Rift, and gave it it's far shot.
But it's obviously not going to go the route of most of the other post-TBC MMOs, and thus it must be bringing in new players and maintaining a stable population. Trion is a pretty decent company that apparently actually tries - and even if I don't like the game they deserve some props for that.
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Originally posted by strangiato2112
You're not posting on the WoW forum, no. But as you keep trying to make your opinion heard you and everyone replying to you are bumping this topic back onto the front page of this site. Many more people have now read this article about Rift than would have if you hadn't and chances are a few of them have just bought the expansion because of it or at least checked out the open beta or are trying the free 5 days from today. With this sort of thing happening on every site out there those numbers add up.
Your opinion of Rift is what it is. I can see why some people think it's a clone, it's MMO standard these days. I've never been hooked on WoW but I have with Rift, that's where I stand. I don't care if it copies a lot, to me it's better.. so to me their slogan was accurate, connotations and all. Rift gave me something WoW didn't, regardless of where you stand on the subject you can't deny that not everyone feels the same way so what you are saying is subjective. No marketing campaign is going to please everyone and to take advantage of the people that arn't going to be interested in the game either way is a clever move. When that campaign went out it was the number one news story on every MMO site and a top story on every gaming news site and many gaming forums. Free adverts for their advert. Rift turned a massive profit at launch and then got tons of extra funding in Feb this year.. which went into developing the new expansion among other things. How things turn out after this expansion, we'll have to wait and see.
As the only recently released P2P MMO still standing and going strong in terms of development, Rift, and any marketing campaign they have done, was not a failure.
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Originally posted by strangiato2112
This is why I think B2P has the potential to generate more revenue. It lowers the barrier to entry and more importantly long term retention. People don't have to play constantly, but being able to pick it up at any time, possibly spend a bit in the cash shop, and buy the xpac expands revenue potential dramatically.
In my opinion the future for content churn games like this are with a B2P or F2P model. Those trying to sell content churn on a monthly fee are taking the harder, likely less profitible road. If a game can offer compelling and engaging systems that keep players busy then I think those will have an easier time offering the "join our club" subscription model. RIFT is cool and a lot of fun, but it just doesn't offer the latter even with its housing expansion.
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rift has less pvp then wow now basiclly.
... less class balance.
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I'll just throw in my 2 copper on the sub numbers and server issues, yes Rift has less servers, yes Rift has less players then the 'big IP' games - does it matter? No.
Trion have been VERY smart in building the game, not just with the engine, design, gameplay or marketing but the whole business in general. Rift may have around 150-200K players but as far as the MMO itself is thats perfectly fine as the game is profitable, in fact it reached that a while back, plus you have to remember that Rift isn't the only game they have End of Nations is due out soon and that Sifi TV show/MMO is still in the works, if Trion didn't have the money to run Rift then they wouldn't have the money to invest in other games even before Rift was barely out.
The fact of the matter is that Trion are good devs, 'preimum services' like character transfers are free, the servers may have merged but hold more players and the level of content updates have outdone some game's expantions. Despite it's flaws such as low release content, and open/conquest pvp a joke, Rift may not have held my attention all the time but at least it's given me a much stronger reason to resub to it.
The question on if the game should go B2P/F2P the answer is also no, there isn't any need too. The main reason lately that games that have been subcription based turning to F2P isn't becuase the market is heading to a 'sub-free' era it's more because those games have been lacking in profits (and/or poor in general). SWTOR has been mentioned a lot in this topic, so has WoW, the main reason SWTOR is heading F2P hybrid is that it hasn't 'made money' in fact I'm still unsure it made any real profit back, $200+ million was put into that game and look at it, it's engine isn't even in house, how could they have spent THAT much on it? Marketing mostly. If you really look at all those that have 'turned' why few weren't big buget known IP games it isn't the case of 'sub numbers', it's the case of investment and profit, the 'suits' couldn't get their money back fast enough over the publisher's 'grand ideas' and sales/sub projections.
That is why there is no questioning the reason why WoW isn't moving to full F2P any time soon it's turning a profit, same with Rift. Rift may not be 'totally orginal' or a 'AAA' IP/game, but it ticks boxes for people and the dev team actually thinks about the game long term over short term profits.
It's the dark horse of the market and doesn't mind being second (or forth) fiddle, and many like it that way.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
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Hows your google-Fu?
Originally posted by Kremlik
^This +1
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Sanity....It's for the weak.
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Originally posted by Torvaldr
From the looks of it B2P generate less revenue than a subscription game, by far. At least that's what the financial results from NCsoft clearly demonstrate. A subscription game that is released only in Korea (Blade & Soul) is only lagging by 20% behind a B2P game that has launched worldwide (GW2). The next quarter results will be more indicative on the impact of the cash shop in GW2, but the big money in the B2P model are generated at the purchase, which has already happened and is quite frankly, underwhelming. On the other hand, the subscription based game will continue to generate steady income for the duration of its lifespan.
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I have read many threads now about this game being better than that game, when this game came out it was like etc... BUT I think many are missing something!
When WOW was released it was like the first cummuter jet, there was nothing like it around and it blew us away with it's innovative gameplay and huge open world. Honest gamers (who are old enough to remember wow legacy :) ) will admit how awe struck and excited we all were.
NOW the mmo environment is way different, the proverbial skies are saturated with jets, mmos are everywhere and the competition for development of new and better mmos doesn't seem to be slowing. It is becoming a huge industry as the internet constantly improves and our lives are becoming more and more cyber based.
With all that being said I think RIFT is an excellent mmo that is striving to be and remain current. WOW will always have a dedicated fan base until they flick the off switch for the last time. RIFT (if the devs keep doing what they are doing, in my opinion) will also have a dedicated fan base till it's eventual end.
Blizzard is a behemoth of a company compared to Trion (at the moment) so I feel population comparisons are pointless and not a good sign of level of success equaly pointless is comparisons of game tech and requirements as WOW was made in a different era to RIFT. The only comparisons that are worthy of note are GAMEPLAY and CONTENT as these are the game, so to speak.
Now my rant is over "Is RIFT getting more attention?" I must ask More than what? More than WOW? More than GW2? heck, More than EQ2???? WHO CARES?!! It really isn't important. Try RIFT like it? play it! don't like it? don't play it! I personally love RIFT as do many many others, I also love GW2 and although I don't play WOW anymore I love that to and I don't begrudge any who do still play it.
For anyone who is worried about the future of RIFT, DON'T! It will be around for a long time, it may grow it may not but it will always at its core be RIFT!


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Following Elon Musk's initial denouncement of The New York Times for publishing a fake review of the Tesla Model S electric car, he has now published the actual logs recorded by the car — and boy are they damning. In short, the NYT's John Broder lied through his teeth to smear electric vehicles in general, and the Model S in specific.
The basic premise of John Broder's story for The Times was that the car lied about its self-reported estimated remaining range; when it said there was 79 miles left in the batteries, there was in actual fact only 60. Eventually, after a few such cases of the on-board computer misreporting the estimated range, and apparently through no fault of his own, his Model S ran out of juice and had to be towed to the nearest charging station.
The vehicle's logs, published today by Elon Musk, tell a very different story. The logs show that Broder intentionally failed to charge his car properly, and even drove around a parking lot in an attempt to drain the car's battery. Despite claiming to set cruise control at 54 mph and turning off the heat to conserve battery life, the logs show that Broder did neither — instead, he turned the heat up to 74F (23C) and drove at speeds between 65 and 81 mph for most of the trip.
It gets better. According to Tesla's logs, Broder's Model S never actually ran out of battery, including when he called out a tow truck. It would seem that Broder completely fabricated that portion of the story, simply to fuel the flames of electric range anxiety. This isn't to say that Broder didn't try to run the car flat: He drove around a tiny parking lot in Milford, Connecticut for 0.6 miles while the car told him he had zero miles remaining. When the car refused to die, he eventually headed over to the Milford Supercharging facility.
Speaking of charging, not once did Broder recharge his Model S fully. During his second recharge, despite running into reserve power on the previous leg (-5 miles remaining), he deliberately stopped charging at 72%. He also lied about how long the second recharge lasted — the story says 58 minutes, but the logs show 47 minutes. At the third recharge point, where he claimed he ran out of battery (he didn't), he stopped the recharge at 28%. It certainly seems like he was trying rather hard to make the Model S fail.
Beyond the damning logs, Elon Musk also takes the opportunity to remind us that the Model S is truly an exceptional car. Yes, electric cars suffer in cold weather, but Musk tells us that Norway and Switzerland are both big customers of Tesla cars. The Model S has been driven through Death Valley and on a track of pure ice in Minnesota, and yet an NYT journalist by the name of John Broder was incapable of a leisurely drive from DC to New York. That Tesla has built an electric car capable of driving 300 miles, at a max speed of 130 mph, with a 0-60 of 4.4 seconds, is quite astonishing.
It will be very interesting to see how The Times responds to Musk's claims. It's possible that the logs were fabricated, but when you consider Broder's love of Big Oil and his public distaste for electric vehicles, I am fairly certain that retractions will be made and heads will roll.
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What a dirt bag.
Three cheers for Elon Musk!!!
http://www.facebook.com/ThePbMax Ghen-ki Tseng
Wow… that's… not good.
I think even though I agree it does prove that the NY Times article is flilled with lies. It also shows how the Tesla electric won't work with the mindset of many American's. That is they like to drive fast and they lie and don't like waiting a hour or more for their car to charge. Even though Broder did appear to lie. I think the article is useful in showing how real world drivers will not accept the limitations or the strict driving requirements that will be required to obtain the advertised range on the Tesla.
Yeah, because most Americans drive around car parks repeatedly when they have no fuel left, right? And of course, they also only fill their car halfway when going on a long journey eh?
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The only thing that it shows is the state of journalism in America.
John Broder should have his pen revoked.. What a douchebag.. He deserves to get fired and publicly humiliated. If this scumbag actually has a significant other, i hope she (or he) leaves him, on Valentines day would be perfect.. I wonder what kind of personal vendetta this brain-dead moron actually has against Tesla or electric cars…He must have stocks for oil companies.. I definitely will never read another New York Times article if this prick doesn't get sacked immediately…
It must be stocks in oil companies, i don't see any other reason why someone would want us to continue to pollute the Earth and use up the last of our fuel supplies.
http://www.facebook.com/michael.carter89 Michael Carter
Why do you want to use giant batteries that are hard to recycle?
I'm not saying that electric cars are the perfect solution! Just that we NEED to move away from oil and find other methods. Electric is just the start, as they become more efficient, batteries become more reliable and have a longer life etc, they will easily be more environmentally sound that cars.
Well, how about because I'd rather use giant batteries than 20-30 GALLONS OF GASOLINE every time I need a fill up?
With ELECTRICITY I take a lot of the POWER (Pun intended) AWAY from the oil companies and the government. I can put up a solar station at home, collect energy and funnel it to my car. I can NOT do that with a gasoline based car (well, I could with biodiesel but that is really a hassle and I'm not about to kiss some kids butt at McDonalds so I can have some old fry-o-later grease.
100 mile range would fit me for 80% of my driving, for the rest I'll drive either my Porsche Cayenne or my son's Porsche 911 :^)
http://www.facebook.com/michael.carter89 Michael Carter
20-30 gallons? You need to drive a smaller car.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003895554030 Samuel Hoogendoorn
Lithium ion batteries are not hard to recycle and about 90% of it is. The last 10% can be used in composite manufacturing as a filler such as in car fenders.
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well you see the point is control, if you control the job market by either eliminating or lowering the wages of jobs, people can't afford to travel or relocate, and with gas prices as they are, do you really think someone making less than $8/hr can afford that??? common. that is most def why Obama should be increasing Minimum wage, by 200%.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003895554030 Samuel Hoogendoorn
Increasing minimum wage puts people out of jobs. It does not help, but rather harms our economy. People are not forced to stay at an $8/hr job. They have the freedom to find a job elsewhere.
Everything you just said is factually inaccurate, congratulations! Where minimum wages have been raised, the EXACT OPPOSITE effect that you have just stated actually tends to occur. In fact, the economy actually benefits from an increase in the minimum wage because consumers have more to spend on goods, workers won't leave their jobs as often looking for new employment (which reduces training costs and makes for a more productive workforce) See the studies mentioned in this article: http://www.salon.com/2013/02/14/economists_a_9_minimum_wage_wont_hurt_jobs/ In no developed country at any point has a minimum wage increase led to an economic downturn that wasn't predicated by much larger underlying problems, so stop spouting rhetoric that has zero basis in reality. With regards to your "people aren't forced to stay at an $8/hr job" BS, have you ever worked for minimum wage? I have, and it usually takes about 40-50 hours of work a week just to make ends meet. Then you have to factor in commuting time, time spent taking care of your family, etc, and people making $8 an hour don't have the money to have a rainy day fund. So they can't just walk away from their job to go find a job elsewhere, because if they miss a week of work, they miss a rent payment, and they find themselves homeless. It's all well and good for you to spout off about employee freedom, but the reality is that the working poor are systemically denied that freedom, even if in theory they have the choice to walk away from their work. But if you're given the choice between the $8/hr job you know is there and the $15/hr job that you don't, with homelessness staring you in the face if you take that chance, what choice are you going to make?
Oil reserves are at a +100 year mark. I imagine we'll perfect electric or some other mode of transportation within that time. There's no need to do it within' Obama's second term at the expense of the economy.
I'd suggest watching a movie called "The age of stupidity", it's very interesting. It talks about our over reliance on oil – for example plastic toys(made from oil) get shipped over from China, burning up loads of oil in the process. When they're broken, they get shipped back and put in landfill. What a colossal waste. And bottled water is another example – we pay to have water shipped from all over the place, when we have perfectly good drinking water locally. I could go on forever about human stupidity and flaws.
You have never had the local water in my hometown. It smells like rotten eggs and a few years ago they county put out a notice saying it had over the maximum safe amount of arsenic in it.
Lol that sounds awful! I guess you're an exception then.
I can't remember the figures from the movie, but i think that bottled water was several thousand times more expensive and used hundreds of times more energy to produce(manufacturing costs of the bottles, packaging, delivery etc).
Sure there might be 100 years of oil there somewhere but at what cost to the environment to drill it/pump it and what's it going to cost to use in our cars? My town is already starting it's annual run up past $4 per gallon. Gasoline has doubled since I bought my current daily driver in 1999. I'm certain it'll double again during the next decade. $6+ or $7+ gasoline? What effect will that have on retail prices? How will American cities reorganize themselves to be accessible to folks making modest wages who can't afford $7 per gallon gasoline? I don't care if your car gets 40 mpg – a person will notice the increase in prices. It'll put a damper on the muscle car, SUV and pickup truck sales for sure.
I hope the American made Tesla sells faster than they can make them. I am not willing to spend $100K on any car (despite loving the Tesla S more than anything else on the market right now) but I will own an electric car for daily driver use – 100 mile range will be fine. We'll keep something fossil fueled for out of town trips. We already have two daily drivers though we car pool 100% of the time now due to a vision problem that prevents my wife from driving. That second car is cheap to insure and is paid for. Our 3rd and 4th cars are hobby cars so I could even use them for out of town trips but they are 50 and 40 years old so they aren't as frugal or safe.
The longest range Tesla S would be fine for even my out of town trips. I seldom go further than 200 miles each way. Perhaps once per year. Today on one such trip I noticed several EV charging stations available near where I was visiting. And more near where we ate lunch.
And I think you give Obama too much influence over EVs. I think he and his would like to promote green-tech but they can only do so much.
Not necessarily. It could be an Oil rep or lobbyist wanting to smear an up and coming electric car company. Give them bad press and they will never walk out alive is the idea. They may have bought the journalist off.
FUD – fear, uncertainty and doubt. Plant that in the average consumer's mind and a company can kill the competition. Listen – I'm a big Linux user and have been for the past decade – as in 100% of the time I'm not repairing Windows for someone. I've seen some real BS told by Microsoft fans. Enough that it would not be a big leap to believe the information was intentionally being put out there to protect Microsoft. As in positive Microsoft comments for a price…
Typically either the Microsoft FUD guys' information is out of date, based on a lack of understanding of the topic they are preaching about or in some cases an outright lie.
Why wouldn't this same thing happen to solar, wind or EVs? I read the same BS comments slanted against the greentech stuff. Won't work, someday when the tech is ready, what if this or probably that. The comments are so narrow minded it's ridiculous really. As if we rely on Harley-Davidsons to carry firewood and Corvettes to tow 40ft long raceboats – yet nobody attaches unrealistic expectations to them.
Microsoft vs everybody, cable vs satellite, Dems vs Repubs, Sunday morn crowd vs the Secularists – the list goes on. Lots of incomplete comments or incorrect arguments out there.
It's getting reported elsewhere that the tow company confirmed the car was indeed dead. Also, before he went shooting his mouth off against the NYT, Musk called Broder personally to apologize. That's…interesting.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003895554030 Samuel Hoogendoorn
Tow company knows nothing about the Model S. Broder probably shut down the car which engages the automatic parking brake. According to Tesla's data, he still had about 4% charge above reserves left in his battery. He had previously in the test drive driven around in circles in a parking lot with the range meter on 0 miles for about 5 min. trying to get it to die.
http://twitter.com/GiorgioJJrgense Giorgio J Jørgensen
I dont see anywhere stated that musk apologized to Broder…
another Guest
why don't you write an email to the publisher, instead of bitching here?
Gregory Page
Bet that one 'vote down' was Broder….
http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Yeager/100001630715561 Karl Yeager
I drive a volt and would love an S. But the $$$ is more than I can afford. This is the right direction and Big Oil should be affraid. I have gone from spending $250 a month in gas to under $20. If the Volt had 10 more mile of regular range it would be $0 on fuel. I like where the Tesla is going. Keep up the good work and stand firm.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=613428526 Brian Cook
I'm curious. have you kept track of the change in your electricity bill (assuming you plug in at home)?
It costs roughly 4 to 8 times less per mile to charge an electric car vs buying gasoline. Just depends on the price of electricity in your area.
Here in Quebec the hydroelectricity and overall slightly higher gas costs makes it cost 10 times less – I wouldn't mind going from 300$ a month to 30$ a month for driving costs. Of course buying a 100k car you're most likely not caring too much about that, but the next generation in the 30ks could be awesome.
It's usually much less than gas, not because electricity is cheaper than gas on an joule-for-joule basis, but because it's roughly the same and the electric car is so much more efficient. Where electricity is expensive, it simply underlines the point that installing solar is a total win. EVs make residential solar pay back even faster and make more profit. Why, o why, pay for transportation fuel in any way shape or form, eh?
Tesla hammers this point home by offering its solar-offset supercharging for free.
It's always nice to see a stupid idiot get proven to be a liar by technology and facts.
http://www.facebook.com/james.d.haberberger James Haberberger
Just shows that corruption is everywhere…. I have little respect for journalism anymore… I personally would love to own an electric car… Just need one with 100 mile range for my daily work commute… Arcimoto in oregon is trying to build an electric vehicle for around $17,500 to $20,000 which would be affordable for alot more people. I love what Tesla has done… I just can not afford the pricetag or I would own one already. It is a shame the grip "Big Oil Companies" have on our political system and journalism. Shame on John Broder for being such a sellout!
I'm sick of it. I'm now keeping a list of publications I'll avoid. CNET is the only one on it now (see the Dish Hopper awards story for why I now view them as a corporate mouthpiece) but NYT is on the chopping block if they don't sack this guy or offer a compelling rebuttal.
Of all the companies to try to screw over he picks one of the American companies that is pushing technology forward? Despicable.
Must- -protect- -existing- -cash- -cows —- aka fossil fuel companies…
Maxwell Erickson
Have you heard of the Mitsubishi i-MiEV? It only goes ~60 miles per charge, but that makes it a perfect city car. The federal tax credit brings it down from ~$23,000 to ~$15,000.
http://profiles.google.com/joelsapp Joel Sapp
Crazy that this sort of thing goes on.
http://profiles.google.com/joelsapp Joel Sapp
Sebastian: There is one typo:
is: Death Valley and on a track of pure in Minnesota
should be: Death Valley and on a track of pure ICE in Minnesota
http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony
Political persuasion and hidden agendas often lead to lies, especially when the hidden agenda involved billions of petro-dollars. If the vehicle logs weren't 'played,' then this incident will not be the first time in my 60 years of existence in which 'big money' and 'big oil' has lied to, manipulated and cheated Americans.
They established the pattern decades ago.
http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Higgins/533592741 David Higgins
WHY Try to Kill the Tesla? The Driving Logs show this author LIED and FAKED running out of charge to purposely DAMAGE the Reputation of the Tesla. Why do It? Why were the RED LINE and other electric Trolleys KILLED in the US? Between 1936 to 1950, National City Lines and Pacific City Lines—with investment from GM, Firestone Tire, Standard Oil of California and others—bought over 100 electric surface-traction systems in 45 cities including Baltimore, Newark, Los Angeles, New York City, Oakland and San Diego and dismantled the systems.
another Guest
this guy got a point
Must protect the cash cows…
mori bund
Totally owned!
BTW: makes me wonder how many other articles and reviews are faked too.
Dennis Cowsky
What do you expect from the New York Times? Typical DemocRATS doing lying and cheating.
Will Kojis
You're accusing democrats of wanting to badmouth electric cars? Now I've heard it all…
Has the New York Times apologized for Walter Duranty yet?
Nicolas Howell
I was about to say, do you REALLY think they'd let a car this amazing be sold in the US when we pay $4/gallon for the shittest gas ever?
get a clue, another example of how all of the Bill O'reily's of the world need to be put down. But hey, ya know what they say, sometimes you have to let the evil play out to see the evil at all.
Don't be an idiot.
First of all, what's O'Reilly got to do with it? This is the precious New York Times that has lied about the car.
Secondly, you obviously have no idea of the technology and huge problems it presents, not to mention the costs.
The Telsa base price is over $100,000.00
Not exactly within the reach of the average person.
Nicolas Howell
ok douchemcgee, lets talk idiocracy
Bill O'Reily is a prime example to me of a person with bigited beliefs that gets to voice his opinion like it matters thanks to his salary.
While you are obviously correct about costs and risks associated with new tech, what you fail to comprehend is that every new tech since the beginning of industrialization requires some risk and loss, but usually it will benefit everyone in the long run. This is the same scenario, someone who is butt-buddies with someone else that they play golf with on every saturday, would like to keep making the money they make, so they shoot down anything that may threaten their excess cash.
Why do you think solar tech never really caught on? Before you start spouting who lacks intelligence and comprehension why don't you take the shit out of your mouth so you can look yourself in the mirror. Cause you have no fucking clue as to what you talk about.
Actually solar didn't catch on because of the abysmal power output and the inefficiency of solar cells. It will catch on when it gets better!
I agree tho, i've read several cases where someone invents a product that will threaten a large business. The large company then buys out the patent and the product disappears.
I don't know but I have several acquaintances powering whole houses with solar. The systems paid for themselves and these folks are electric bill free still. One fellow was charging two electric cars with his solar rooftop AND powering the house. All paid for. Yeah – can't recharge an EV in ten minutes but you can make way more power than you consume during the day and sell it back to the utility company. At night when you need power, buy some back. Around here the utility company will pay me 12 cents for power I make and sell me power for less than 10 cents.
It depends on what country you live in, i've seen a lot of people here in the UK heating their water with solar power. But not many powering their house, it's just not sunny enough here for current technology.
And TBH i find it a bit hard to believe that your friends can power a whole house on solar. Fridge, cooker, shower, plasma screen, vacuum cleaner, computer, heating etc. Unless they live on the equator or don't use modern appliances.
The one house was in TN and he was literally making more power than they needed – the house was a two story affair with all electric appliances and heat pump+air conditioning. No EV yet as the leaf was not yet on the market but the guy did have plans to buy one. The solar amounted to one small part of the rooftop. I think 20 panels come to mind. Been a few years. I did see his power bills and inspect the house personally.
The guy charging his EVs – I suspect he was charging at work AND at home so he only needed to half-charge the EV batteries. He's passed away now so I can't ask him for certain but I think he has a 2kwh system as I recall. he was in CA.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003895554030 Samuel Hoogendoorn
It's catching on. Most people just don't think it's an option yet. I can get a zero cost install of solar panels on our roof and pay the solar company less per month than the electricity bill. I'd say that's a great deal. Now to convince those that actually own the house…
Yep. Do some math. 250,000 miles in anything – including a series of vehicles adds up. 10,000 gallons of fuel at 25 mpg. $35,000 just for gasoline alone. An electric car can typically do the same work for 1/6th of the cost of gasoline.
You know – if you can NOT GET THE BASE price correct, the rest of your article doesn't hold much water either. I mean SERIOUSLY – the BASE PRICE… Oh, but, you were only off about $47 THOUSAND.
Shane Gatti
If you would, please go to the tesla website and look at the base price of the model S. You say it's over $100,000. Yet, you are wrong… by a lot. A base model is $53,000 with taxes.
Please do your research before making an idiotic statement.
Thank you for that. I was confused about the pricing. Knew it was about $55K or then folks started bandying $100K prices around.
More FUD by the naysayers?
More accurate title: "Tesla publishes Model S driving logs that show the New York Times basically told the truth, lies about what they actually said". Notice for instance the massive and unmentioned-by-Tesla drop from 90 miles remaining to 20 miles remaining at the 400-mile mark without the car actually moving – that matches exactly with what the article said.
In particular Elon is effectively lying by omission when he says this: 'In his article, Broder claims that "the car fell short of its projected range on the final leg." Then he bizarrely states that the screen showed "Est. remaining range: 32 miles" and the car traveled "51 miles," contradicting his own statement (see images below). The car actually did an admirable job exceeding its projected range.' He completely neglects to mention the part where the car was estimating 90 miles range before Broder went to sleep for the night, and he had to do an unplanned charging stop in order to get it back up to even 32 miles after most of the charge vanished overnight and the rest was lost due to bad advice from Tesla staff. He also neglects to mention the part where Broder would have had to extended his unplanned charing stop for several hours in order to get a useful amount of charge – in the freezing cold, in a tiny town, presumably without the power budget to heat the car.
Yeah the sudden power drop is quite worrying! I didn't know they'd lose so much charge overnight.
The battery info for the Panasonic batteries in the Tesla only goes to -10C (14F). At this temperature the battery still gives about 70% of it's power. So you might see a 1/3 range drop on a cold winter morning, compared to what the warm battery pack showed when you parked. But the range estimate will start creeping back up as the battery pack warms. But Broder's test drive power drop is so large (more like 2/3), I'm wondering if he did something else, like leave the headlights on. Unless the temp in Connecticut was more like Minnesota, e.g. -20 F.
another Guest
they didn't! obviously you two never drove cars before. Any digital gasoline meter in a car will show low range after car been parked a while. After some driving, especially at a steady pace… your range always improves. I can go from 20miles left indicated to 90 miles left just by driving 60miles per hour for about 15 min.
both of you should be fired!
You are clearly retarded, this is definitely not normal behaviour for a petrol car!
http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony
That massive drop is from not being plugged in overnight, I think.
yep – sub freezing temps.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002182203070 Sunset Rider
My tablet doesn't lose nearly 66% of its battery power when I leave it unplugged overnight.
Come to think of it, my normal car battery starts up my car just fine every winter morning, even in -20 weather.
Why should a $60k+ Tesla get a pass?
Also, we don't know the conditions of where Broder had parked the Tesla overnight. Most likely he parked it in a hotel parking lot, with no nearby outlets to keep it plugged in.
If an expensive EV can't do ordinary, don't-even-have-to-think-about-it tasks that a normal car can do… such as parking it overnight… why should that be lauded?
Why didn't he put the car somewhere so it would be charged when he woke up? Me thinks that is poor planning on his part. Even on 120V slow charge he would have gained alot of range if not the entire advertised range. I'll bet those batteries warm themselves when coping with winter temps if the car is plugged in.
Hey this isn't the right car for every situation or environment. It needs for example someone who understands the needs of an EV to get the most out of it… ;)
As for the tiny town – reckon they don't have electric dryers or electric ranges/stoves? That's all it would take to recharge that car.
I understand that Broder likely lied but the truth remains you can't just get in a Tesla and drive like you and I are used to. I got news for you if I'm driving from NY to Boston, I'm not staying below 60mph unless I'm stuck in traffic and if it's January, the heat is on. That said, NYT and John Broder have some 'splaining to do.
I don't keep the heat in my house @ 74 degrees in the winter, and I certainly wouldn't have it that hot in my car, where I'm going to be wearing a winter coat. And the issue isn't what a safe driving speed would be on an Interstate (I agree that under 60 risks being hit from behind), the issue is what Broder (mis)stated in print. Driving over 60 significantly reduces your gas mileage and, big surprise, significantly reduces range on an EV. That is well known and should be obvious to everyone.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003895554030 Samuel Hoogendoorn
During CNN's recent trip, they traveled between 60 and 65 mph and actually were passing some people.
Most of us never take our cars more than a hundred miles away from home so the "you can't drive it like you used to" line is not relevant to many people. It's pretty obvious that anybody whose needs are long distance won't be getting a modern electric car. Why even bring it up in this context?
Then your needs do not match those capabilities of an EV. I think a Tesla S or something like it would meet the needs of most of the rest of us. In fact I drove 120 miles to an appt this morn and 120 miles home. That's to the neighboring city and back. I noticed 4 charging stations next to the building I visited – with a Leaf plugged into one. I also noticed several more charging stations just down the street near where we lunched. of course all you'd need is to find ANY outlet for a boost on your range. If there are more EVs rolling around then there will be more charging points available. Chicken or the egg…
Doesn't your family own two or more cars? Many if not most families do. We have two daily drivers plus two hobby cars. Right now b/c of vision problems my life is having we have only me to drive them all. Insuring a used second car isn't expensive where I live at all.
http://www.facebook.com/WhoAreYouWhatAreYouDoingHere Chris Shakal
People still read the NYT? Lol.
You're here too – what's your excuse? ;)
http://www.facebook.com/WhoAreYouWhatAreYouDoingHere Chris Shakal
This article is kind of on the Tesla Model S, as described in the title. I'm somewhat interested in anything related to the Model S. What about you?
Same. I am an admirer of the S – and EVs in general. I think they make good sense in certain applications.
http://www.facebook.com/ian.skinner.9 Ian Skinner
This is SO reminiscent of the smear campaign put on to discredit the rotory's and just like that campaign the information used was insanely stupid and ideally a 12 year old car nut could have seen though the lies.. but the US population as a whole bought it hook line and sinker.. because they wanted to: it was different and not 'normal' as perceived by the American insular cultural norms .. and this is the exact same thing, sad to see that mass enlightenment has not matured in the US.
I have an engineer friend who owned several of the Mazda RX series cars. He reported pickup truck fuel economy – even on the interstate at sane speeds. The shear number of catalytic converters on those sportscars said something about how dirty the exhaust was. Once the apex seals began to wear, the engine would smoke like a freight train.
We had alot of fun with those cars but they were far from perfect. He would still like to have a particular RX version I think. Again – a great engine for certain applications – just like the aircooled VW engine was great back when water cooling systems was a weak point in a typical car. I'm not beating up on the aircooled VW as I own and love two of them but they clearly are obsolete at this point in time unless someone redesigns the engines to make use of ceramics or other new materials to make them cleaner, more powerful and more durable. I think Porsche explored the limits of the aircooled engine design thoroughly. I still admire the aircooled designs (I also have Corvairs) but udnerstand their limitations.
http://www.facebook.com/ian.skinner.9 Ian Skinner
Few things that were NEVER reported to the American public about ANY rotory be it the 12A to the renisis.. Most important of the facts missed the engines get GREAT fuel economy .. as long as they are kept in the HIGH rpm range.. If your shifting before 4500 RPM your doing it wrong. Next the Apex seals will last even on over boosted engines 200K Km +, again; as long as your not trying to drive it like a V8 and get low end Torque, the E shaft will not flex and you won't beat up the apex seals. The cost to 100% rebuild a rotory is under $400, using high end parts, takes 1 day to do said rebuild. When the 91 Lemans winning engine was removed from the 787B and torn down, the engineers found NO discernible wear.. the same could not be said for every other engine in the field. The new 16X engine coming out is 300hp NA and weights in at ~100lbs, it is now being reworked to also provide more torque. The Rotory is also the most efficient hydrogen fuel engine at a loss of only 20% over gasoline compared to piston engines wish hover around 60%.. Allot of things that the big 3 never wanted you to know about the rotory. just coming full circle again with electrics.
Then my engineer friend was doing something wrong… GRIN!
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002182203070 Sunset Rider
No wonder why rotary engines fail prematurely – they cannot handle the simple tasks that a piston engine can do daily. Stop-and-go traffic in the low RPM range is what people do when they drive around town. When are you ever going to go above 4500 RPM driving from one stop light to the other?
And I'm not sure where you got the $400 rebuild figure from. I did a Google search, and one professional shop estimated that a 100% rebuild and install would cost between $8500-$12000. This is for all parts and labor. Another shop lists a completely rebuilt rotary engine with all new ports and rotor housings for $3400. And that's just for the engine, no labor involved.
Electric cars still suck shit though
http://www.facebook.com/tito.john.73 Tito John
Sebastian, get a grip!
"Blatant lies"? Are you sure? Without seeing how Broder or the Times responds? (And the Times has already said they stand by the story. Let's see if Broder responds personally.)
You surely know that Times correspondents have been fired for lies a lot less "blatant" than this. Could you be fired for calling Broder a "blatant lier"?
"Public distaste for electric vehicles"? Did you notice that he was quoting conservative commentators? He prefers hybrids, certainly, but that makes him a fan of Big Oil? Your authority for that last statement is your own article, which makes that allegation in the last paragraph but doesn't support it.
Do you have some sort of hidden agenda here? Just askin'….
Kiran Mathew Koshy
Et tu, NYT ?
mori bund
Remember that's the same newspaper that supported the WMD lie.
(That time it was a certain Judy Miller. Now it's John Broder.)
http://www.facebook.com/tito.john.73 Tito John
Sebastian, get a grip!
"Blatant lies"? Are you sure? The Times has already said it stands by the story; let's see what else they have to say, or how Broder responds personally.
But you know, of course, that Times correspondents have been fired for lies a lot less blatant that what you're alleging. Are you really sure you want to stand foursquare behind Tesla and put your own reputation (already a bit tarnished by your rhetorical exess) on the line?
Broder has a "public distaste for electric vehicles"? Read the linked story again. He's quoting conservatives who, like Glen Beck, called the Volt "crappy." He (Broder) says hybrids are better, at least for now, because they are self-charging. Wow! How leftie is that?
And Broder is a fan of Big Oil? Really? Your link to support that is one of your own stories, and the comment about Big Oil is way down at the end, and doesn't really support any sort of case of "love."
Hold yourself to some standards, Sebastian, or go back to ET's base of computer technology. I thought your site was pretty good, but crap like this article makes me appreciate Red Orbit all the more.
Hybrid cars still use a traditional engine to recharge. Someone in favor of oil and gas would probably tolerate them at least more than EVs, so that argument makes little sense. Out of Broder's last 7 articles, 5 of them are about oil and 2 about the Tesla.
I'll let you not believe Tesla if you want to, just wanted to point that out. I really doubt Musk would forge car logs just to get into more trouble.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003895554030 Samuel Hoogendoorn
Just because the New York Times fully supports a reporter that straight up lied multiple times in a published article as proven by the Tesla logs doesn't make the lies any more believable. Oh wait, apparently it does to you.
http://twitter.com/SolarSherpa Tom Weiss
Working in technology, I'm not sure who to believe. Are we saying that Tesla's reporting and recording is 100% (or very close) accurate and has tested by verifiable 3rd parties? I doubt it, but I'm not a big enough Tesla fanboy to really be following them.
NYT has as much reason to fabricate as does Elon. A few other journalists doing the same route in winter time will give us a more accurate representation.
Jeff the Baptist
"Yes, electric cars suffer in cold weather, but Musk tells us that Norway and Switzerland are both big customers of Tesla cars."
Yeah, but how does Tesla define a "big customer"? The Tesla S has been made in the thousands. Which compares well to cars like the Porsche Panamera, but not to mass market vehicles. The Cadillac CTS is sold in 10x those numbers and the best sellers in the midsize segment like the Camry sell 50x more cars per year.
http://twitter.com/GwynethPaltr0w Patrick Paltrow
"He also lied about how long the second recharge lasted — the story says 58 minutes, but the logs show 47 minutes."
That's a lie. His article said it took 49 minutes to charge. And 49 minutes is pretty slow
Communications major vs Computer Nerds = game over
I wonder why people don't call out pro-Israel writers on New York Times. Their blatant bias against any opinion other than pro-Israeli opinion has gone unchecked for way too long. Facts on the ground as well as history tells us there's something wrong with our policy when it comes to Israel.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=562472347 Devin Flint
It's getting reported elsewhere that the tow company confirmed the car was indeed dead. Also, before he went shooting his mouth off against the NYT, Musk called Broder personally to apologize.
Checked your link, it was updated. Also of course Musk would call to apologize, it's not like he had real-time data showing him the real cause! Neither help us to understand the reality of the situation.
If nothing else, Broder's deceitful article proves that the NYT is about as 'liberal' as the Wall Street Journal.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=562472347 Devin Flint
Evidence that Musk's data may not be accurate is also coming out. For example, the tow company confirming that not only was the car dead when they arrived, but that without power, they couldn't even release the parking brake to load it onto the flatbed.
nyt's reputation is totally ruined by what broder did. and it'll have to work very hard to gain what base they have left.
tesla is a world-famous company with impeccable cars, and i think these logs prove that.
What a douchebag! He needs to be fired!
I have no idea if the logs are right, but this story surely didn't help me.
"The logs show that Broder intentionally failed to charge his car properly"
"Elon Musk also takes the opportunity to remind us that the Model S is truly an exceptional car. Yes, electric cars suffer in cold weather, but Musk tells us that Norway and Switzerland are both big customers of Tesla cars."
You know for a fact it was intentional? The author clearly is biased and this seems little more than propaganda. If a journalism student gave this to me, I would fail him. If you are not doing any real journalism and adding some new information (and clearly you are not, more parroting the press release) then you owe it to your readers to show both sides.
Go watch the Jay Leno Garage Tesla review.
This is the kind of things people need to be fired for. Or publicly displayed as a fool.
http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.vanlaatum Kenneth Van Laatum
idiots , the battery costs a huge amount , and will only last 3-5 years , i dont want too own the battery , get Samsung to Lease battery's , and tesla to standardize a draw and easy change out system , , it could end up quicker than filling with oil , just swap out the battery , trucks just use 4 standard batterys
There is no doubt this is a smear job. A mistake or two in the article I can understand but this article is full of non truths. And to add, almost every other reviewer of this car has given glowing remarks so why is this review so different. People can say what they want but the bottom line is the Tesla Model S is one the best cars ever made. People who believe the logs are fake are in a dream world the logs are real and it is pretty obvious this guy didn't write the truth.
I worked for a major car company over 15 years ago in their alternate fuel dept. This type of technology was being developed before I got there and was leaps and bounds ahead of what is typically reported to the general public. About 12 years ago a small oil company by the name of Exxon bought my dept out from the major car company I was working for and promptly shut us down the very next month. I haven't trusted anything I've ever read about big oil since that day. It's reality folks. Money makes the world go round. When the fossil fuels run out (and they WILL run out) who knows what will happen. Maybe we'll all get back to our roots and actually ride bikes or (GASP) walk somewhere.
There are stories about a comapny that built batteries for the GM EV1. That company was able to build a 300+ miles range EV in the late 80s or early 90s. Those were NiMH batteries. GM didn't want the car to have that kind of range so when the EV1 was released it had a more modest 100 mile range (sound familiar? – Leaf, Focus, RAV4EV). When GM crushed their EVs the company that made the batteries was called Ovionics Technology and Gm owned 49% or 51% of the company. Anyhow Gm then old their interest in the company to Texaco who was bought up a week later by Chevron who immediately shelved the batteries and sued Toyota/Panasonic who had licensed the technology for the RAV4-EV. Toyota lost the lawsuit – to be able to continue building the batteries for their EV – and was forced to pay out $30M for continuing to build the batteries after Chevron wanted them to stop (I think). Toyota then decided to sell the RAV4EVs currently on lease rather than crush them like so many other brands who dabbled with EVs during that period (about 12-15 years ago). SOME of those RAV4-EVs now have over 150,000 miles on the battery. One has over 170,000 miles on the original battery.
I believe I heard Chevron finally sold the patents to BASF perhaps?
I just wanted to put all this out there. Not all batteries are created equal. Even two batteries of similar design are not created equally. The quality can vary based on the quality and amounts of the components jut like anything else.
If the Chevron story sounds far fetched – understand that it has been corporate policy for over a hundred years for some companies to get maximum profits from a technology before dragging out the next generation design which might have been languishing on a shelf ("drawing board") for a decade. Even Kodak did that. Just look at computer components like thumb drives. Just as a thumb drive capacity gets to about $10, the next increment of memory size arrives on the market for some high price. Currently that is 16GB which can be had for $10. 32GB is about twice that. 64GB is maybe three times that. 128GB is right around the corner. I'm sure somewhere there is a 1TB prototype that costs about $10 to manufacture.
Go look up "Energy Conversion Devices", "Patent encumbrance", Stanford R. Ovshinsky, RAV4EV. Wikipedia can be a good start.
Now the NiMH doesn't represent the end-all, be-all of battery technology but it is clear that this battery technology has been overlooked and ignored by the mainstream media. And not all versions are equal. Early versions had a high self discharge rate. I recently bought some examples which have a very slow self discharge rate – so clearly the technology has continued to advance. I am sure that the technology would advance quicker if more were sold b/c funding comes from profits or the gov't. I'd rather see it come from profits. Best of all – these batteries are highly recyclable and the amount of nickel required is minor.
No excuse for bad reporting and getting facts straight. But I also feel that the limitations of the Tesla will affect how it is accepted. No matter if Mr Border did a lousy job at this test drive. The facts of having to watch speed, reduce accessories and have even longer charge sessions. Will no doubt discourage many from paying that kind of money for a very needy vehicle. Especially when you can spend 5 minutes buy a tank of gas and drive 400 miles. Mr Border was wrong in his reporting. But the Tesla has made its own negative mark in its performance.
http://twitter.com/jackcollen1 jack collen
my best friend's sister makes 77 every hour on the laptop. She has been fired for 10 months but last month her income was 14170 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Here's the site to read more fb26.com
Tesla should also warn that the car can lose 2/3 of it charge overnight, see second graph.
THis fucker needs to get strung up. Fucking corpie prick. Seriously.
http://twitter.com/pilfro Steve
Of course the car company cant be lying to save money too. I really hope these cars are great, but these logs could be made in a couple of hours. Nobody is buying the electric cars. They are all failing, I think people don't want to be guinea pigs and spend extra for the privilege.
Failing? They are expensive. People have cut back on their spending. The historical timing for EVs is lousy. The expensive part is the only thing keeping me from buying an 'S'.
http://www.facebook.com/WhoAreYouWhatAreYouDoingHere Chris Shakal
I like the Model S as much as anybody, but the "it's friendlier to the environment" argument won't hold much water until power plants quit using fossil fuels for energy. The switch to nuclear would help quite a bit, namely fusion power, once we get there technologically.
Neat thing about electrics – they can use power from any electrical source. Put some solar on your rooftop and it'll pay for itself quickly. I knew an EV guy in CA that said his paid for itself in less than 6 years.
http://www.facebook.com/gmnotyet Jeff Hall
Wow, this Broder guy is a fucking liar.
Whats the use of a $100K car, where you cannot even turn the heat on to be comfortable.
"he turned the heat up to 74F (23C) and drove at speeds between 65 and 81 mph"
Can't you even do that on a $100K car. Do you actually do so many calculations to drive around a car. 58 minutes charge. Don't turn up the heat more than 72. Oh, you did 74.
New York Times lying about Mitt Romney, now Elon Musk. Welcome to the world of leftist smear tactics Mr. Musk…
A journalist lying to push his own agenda? Shocking…
The New York Times ought to go out of business for allowing a stunt like this to pass as journalism. I can guarantee you that he has pulled crap like this on other stories too and at that point, his "reports" are worthless – in fact, they actually are WORTH LESS than the NATIONAL ENQUIRER because at least that has some comic justification, while Broder is just an imputent moron who should be publicly castrated.
You could call this "And it was only 24 hours from Tesla" sic.
In case anyone is interested in hearing both sides, as opposed to reflexively defending electric cars, John Broder responds to Elon Musk's allegations here. Based on the tone of this article, I'm guessing Sebastian Anthony is not interested.
http://www.facebook.com/ronald.geiken Ronald Geiken
Who ever believes anything that they read in the New York Times. The daily e-mail to me goes right to my junk mail and most of the time I don't even realize that I got an e-mail from Them. Their stable of writers could be writing for the east wing of the White House. Now, I only read an article in the times when I am referred there by a search engine. Their daily circulation is only about a million people in a metro area of about 15 million. Only unrepentant Liberals would buy and read this rag. I will likely never own a Tesla, but I have not heard too many negative stories from their owners. I'm sure that most of them have other vehicles that they drive too. If you really enjoy driving and can afford one of them, you will likely think about getting one of them.
http://www.facebook.com/scott.pam Scott Pam
OMG? The NYT lying? No news here.
http://www.facebook.com/scott.pam Scott Pam
Our country has reached the point where journalism, once a respected source of truth and honesty and basic reporting, has been purchased by the highest bidder to be used as a tool to sway voters and the minds of the sheeple.
Their TV ads invite viewers to sign up for their web site and mobile apps and see "what separates the news from the New York Times". I'll save you the money. What separates the news from the New York Times is their editorial policies.
http://www.facebook.com/KP330 Jeremy Hood-Daniel
maybe the guy is schizo
http://www.facebook.com/dario.goddin Dario Goddin
Wait a gosh darn second here folks, you mean to tell me that the media's dishonest? (rolls eyes)
And 10 times oil energy in Natural Gas (wells in ND and M.E. are burning off natural gas instead of capturing it) as Oil. Even more times energy in Gas Hydrates. Electric cars are a poor environmental choice because of energy wasting electrical generation and distribution system (A "perfect" 1000mi AC power line loses 2/3 of its energy; most of the East coast grid is less efficient than that,) About 10% efficiency for electric car based on original energy source (usually Coal for electrical generation) versus ~30% for gasoline engine. (Based on the Laws of Thermodynamics.) Tesla seems to have a good design but then there is the Chevy Volt and Boeing's 787 issues. And you neglect energy company' investment in Lithium minerals.
James Edwards
electric cars, big or small are idiotic. the coal or gas used to generate the electricity has to be moved a long distance to charging stations or homes, with loss during transmission. we have enough oil and gas for at least 5 generations. when these cars, like wind and solar, really become economical, the market will tell you: not government subsidies and rich hobbyists
Marc Cohen
Sebastian Anthony, you should be ashamed of yourself! This article is utterly irresponsible. You uncritically accept Elon Musk's self-serving interpretation of the log without even considering the devastating response that the NYT's John Broder has already published. You provide no evidence whatsoever — zero!! — that Broder, a distinguished journalist, would have any motive for discrediting the automobile he was testing. You completely ignore the tow-truck driver's corroborating testimony. Should we not simply conclude that Tesla is paying you off? The very idea that anyone complaining about irresponsible journalism could produce a piece as shoddy as yours would be amusing if it were not so appalling.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002182203070 Sunset Rider
Broder's response. It counters every claim that Musk made.
Let's see an article written about that.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1163705517 Dennis Persica
Broder contests the data mentioned in the ExtremeTech article.
http://www.facebook.com/pinokio.gepetto.10 Pinokio Gepetto
http://www.facebook.com/roger.s.roth Roger Stephen Roth
Big Oil has practically a virtual monopoly on automobiles who use gasoline as a means to move. I wanted to buy a electric car here in Florida but they are impossible to find. I would have to go to California to buy one in the future. Cars though don't need gasoline to move, you can actually design a engine which will run using cooking oil, air, or even water itself. Yes you can develop a running engine which uses water to move the car itself. Other energy sources such as electricity and even solar energy cars have been ignored. The America and Saudi Arabia middle east connection has a lot to do with this monopoly. The big problem lies that because there is so much money made they don't want to allow alternatives in the market. Studying back in history we look at the founder of Standard Oil John D Rockefeller who in history became the first billionaire in the world, and in today's money would have been worth US $385 Billion dollars given his company owned all manufacturing oil and transportation in the entire United States of America. Green energy cars should have a stronger force as we cannot depend on dinosaur fuels to monopolize the market in America and the world. It is time for new technologies to enter the market and for innovation and creativity to allow scientists, artists, designers, inventors to create new means to revolutionize the automobile and energy industry itself. Informed consumers should make endorsements to help get these new technologies out in the market.
Gregory Page
Who's more believable? A man who's invested nearly all his own private wealth into the creation of new companies, with the intention of creating a better, brighter, more hopeful future? Who, with his rocket company has sent resupply missions to the ISS, something only previously achieved by nations?? Who has expressed his desire to expand the frontiers of human civilization to other planets in order to safeguard our previous achievements as a race? Who's car company and it's model S sedan has already been under many test drives by very respectable agencies? (Motor trend comes to mind)… Or… an evidently biased, self serving, leech of a man. Caught in the act of creating a salacious, FALSE story. For his own personal gains, whatever those may be.. John Broder is a LIAR, and and any self-respecting news co-operation should lay him off immediately. Let the facts, and previous experiences speak for themselves.
To those who say that Musk overreacted, remember that he invested everything into these projects, and is also responsible for the employment of many people. Their interests are now very closely tied to his. As such, I believe all he's done in reaction to this has been perfectly reasonable. I hope you agree.
Go Tesla! Go Spacex! GO ELON! You're the future.
http://www.facebook.com/SDDelaney Simon Delaney
GOOD story! Well done.
"Denouncement"? Anybody in the office who speaks English?
A lot of comments assume that the logs produced by Tesla are real.
Tesla has significantly more to lose if Broder's report is accurate.
If you "follow the money" you should be at least as skeptical of Tesla's motives as Broder's.
HAHA: "[Broder claims] through no fault of his own, the Mod S ran out of juice." Yes he had Telsa on the phone helping him accomplish just that.
I think the Tesla is awesome (except for the center stack GUI), but it's hard to believe how willingly people believe Musk's inflammatory write-up. Like an Oil company will distort, but an EV company won't. Comical.
Forkingham Melle
people in the press generally want to trash windpower/solarpower/and any variant there of. the press have become marginalised due to real internet reporting and video evidence. the proof is in the pudding with Tesla owners coming forward and telling us what really happens to their cherished four wheel boxes on batteries


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|Posted by amppilates on January 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM
So you have heard of naked Yoga and it's popularity is growing but what do you think of naked Pilates?
We have been looking around and it seems that there are valid arguments for doing both Yoga and
Pilates naked. Some articles we have seen have said that it means a better, freeing connection to the
movements at hand. Also it's liberating, allowing you to get over the insecurities of our own body. Some
of the common comments are that you can't cheat when you're naked.There is no way to cheat when it
comes to connecting to your core or the movements in the exercises when the instructor can see it all.
There seems to be a connection to yourself, you can connect mind and body when there is nothing
restricting you. Last naked Yoga and Pilates has been described as symbolic to renouncing
materialism that can engulf us these days. Nakedness it seems can be a means to letting go and
reaching enlightenment. It all seems to make since and we might just jump on board this freeing,
liberating, confidence boosting ride. Some of the oppositions to naked yoga and naked Pilates are the
injury factor. Many people seemed to be concerned with certain areas bouncing around or getting
"caught". Also manypeople were concerned with being bashful, some comments included the fact that
people couldn't exercise in just a sports bra let alone with nothing on.
Naked Yoga and Pilates seems to be catching on with men more than women as they seem to have
less insecurity about their bodies. Who knows if this is here to stay but for now there are retreats
devoted entirely to naked Yoga and Pilates and classes in larger cities have caught on.
Below are some links to naked Yoga and Pilates articles...
We haven't decided yet if naked is the way to go but a little Panty Pilates ™ might be just as fun! Let us know what you think!
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Being born and raised in California (still here but ready to leave)...this is an absolute embarassment.
This is a just a terrible injustice. It's not over! The fight will continue to make sure everyone has equal rights under the law.
I'm looking forward to 2010 when H8 ends!
So sad.
My thoughts are with the families.
This guy got behind the wheel after too many cocktails. We've all made bad decisions, unfortunately he took lives.
I do draw a line between him & some drug-dealing bast' who knowingly and intentionally seeks out taking another's life.
The hurricane's at Lafitte's are delicious. A close second are the hurricanes from the Gazebo Bar by the French Market.
However, I'm a sucker for a Pimm's Cup at Napolean House...mmmmmm.
Not usually a breakfast gal but I remember Sunrise Cafe on St Philip & Chartres. It didn't make it through the storm, but they had an amazing dish called "Eggs St Philip".
Stanley had a great eggs benedict po-boy, too. Anyone know if it's on the menu at the new location?
Y'all are funny!
Nothing worse than having to explain to my 10 year old daughter why it's inappropriate to sing "Viva Viagra".
Sitting in your car at 3 am with a loaded gun & an assault rifle in the trunk (remember that?) you're looking for trouble.
This dude found it!
Great piece on one's own take (or lack thereof) on art. It's such a personal choice!
$2 bottle of wine can be described so deeply by the best palate...under pretentious circumstances. To others, it's swill.
It's all about putting it out there & being honest about it.
If you don't like it, say so. If you do, tell me why w/out the hard sell!
Keep it up CR & I'll keep tuning in.
Come on!? Ever hear of tongue in cheek humor?
McComack is pure Broadway & all about stage presence. He's a chameleon. Take it for what it is, funny & no more.
Loved him in Will & Grace & those are big shoes to fill! Hope he has success with the new show. I'll be tuning in.
Just aweful...My thoughts & prayers are with family & friends. All posts suggests this girl was the exact reason folks like me visit the quarter.
Wake up Ray & Riley...your city has a major stain~!
Amazed that some of you talk about the new boyfriend being a whimp for not drawing a gun.
Please! Y'all are of the same mentality of the thugs that are ruining your city.
Although ex-boyfriend is obviously an idiot...pulling a gun isn't the answer.
There is nothing bushy can say to make up for his failures. He is an embarrassment to our country. There is nothing worse than the memories of having to watch the suffering inflicted on 1,000's of folks for days on end.
I can't wait until 1/20...I don't expect miracles, but I'm happy to see the obnoxious, incompetent bully out of office!
Wow...screwed up priorities to put this man to trial.
Vigilante or not, one last animal/terrorist on the planet.
I thank him for his heroic actions.
ooooooooh....the secret is up!
Yo Mama's burgers are the best. I visit a couple of times each year & Yo Mama's is always the last stop of the night for a burger & baked potato. Great atmosphere, great service & very good prices.
I do miss Erin working the upstairs bar...but she has her new bar Molly's on Toulouse that also has great atmosphere (but no burgers).
Yo Mama's also has a great crawfish boil!
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I'm ready to come back for a visit.
Stories like this makes me come back year after year. NOLA is about the great folks, resiliency & pride!
Welcome back, Chris!
Happy New Year, NOLA...
much love from California!
You're a bad, bad man OJ.
Lafitte's is the perfect last stop of the night...& several times during the day ;)
sounds like there's more to the story than you're letting us in on. i've been to Lafitte's a million times & had nothing but great service. if they agreed to take the $5 off, why would you tip lighter?
Lafitte's is the perfect last stop of the night...& several times during the day ;)
sounds like there's more to the story than you're letting us in on. i've been to Lafitte's a million times & had nothing but great service. if they agreed to take the $5 off, why would you tip lighter?


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NEW YORK, May 11 (UPI) -- Michael Sam, who was picked 249th overall in the NFL draft on Saturday, celebrated the news with his boyfriend, former University of Missouri swimmer Vito Cammisano.
ESPN cameras were on hand to capture the groundbreaking moment when Sam, who came out earlier this year, learns that he's been drafted by the St. Louis Rams.
He starts to cry, then gets an emotional hug and kiss from Cammisano.
Sam also smashed cake onto Cammisano's face in celebration.
Wow.What a day. On cloud 9. So proud and happy! #stl #rams #draft @MikeSamFootball pic.twitter.com/XXG1tngGhq— Vito (@Vitcamm) May 11, 2014
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Dye Teams & Stores Helping Children Across the Globe
Wednesday, December 26th, 2012
Today we are proud to report on two extremely thoughtful stories sent to us from one of our newest Dye Sponsored teams in Ukraine, HULK, and one of our oldest South American retail outlets, Fast Ducks of Colombia.
First let's travel to Ukraine, where HULK donated more than just a fashion show to a room full of underprivileged children in their region. A big screen TV for the children to all share, gift bags for everyone, and the best present of all… an invitation to play paintball with HULK in the spring! You'd think the TV was what would get the children excited, but according to HULK's captain Yaroslav Yanushevich, the announcement of their upcoming paintball adventure got the kids all clapping their hands and jumping with excitement.
A few gifts and a paintball invitation was all it took to make this years holiday season extra special for a lucky few. HULK put on this event out of their own pockets, but to them it was no sweat… they were happy to do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
Now we travel way South to Bogota, Colombia, where Fast Ducks Paintball put on a Toy Drive for some underprivileged kids in their area. Dye's own Billy Wing personally made the trip down to Colombia to hand deliver some toys for this great cause, and from all of the pictures they've sent us we can tell it was a major success!
Dye is extremely proud when individuals, teams, stores or anyone in the paintball industry takes it upon themselves to give hope to those who are less fortunate and to make their holidays a little brighter.
Check out Fast Ducks Paintball of Colombia at www.FDPaintball.com and on Facebook
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It was a small consolation, but one of the few positives to come out of the occupation of the northern two-thirds of Mali by armed jihadist groups in 2012 was the informed analysis of Andy Morgan. At the height of the crisis, Morgan seemed ubiquitous in the western media – on radio, television and in…
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SAHARA SOUL – Bassekou Kouyate, Tamikrest, Sidi Toure.
Listen to the spirits in the music and they'll tell you a deeper tale. They'll tell you that in that vast desert which outsiders are content to call a wasteland, there exists an endless calm, tranquillity and beauty that makes the nomad cry in his heart every day he is forced to spend in exile.
AFROCUBISM – An old transatlantic love story
When the record producer Nick Gold traveled to Cuba in the early 1990s he had the genius to perceive the well-spring of love for Cuban music that still flowed through Mali and West Africa and appreciate the strength of their intertwining histories.


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Full detailed profile on Lily Walsh Mason Snyder Grimaldi Snyder Played by Noelle Beck on As the World Turns Daytime Soap Opera.
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Lily Walsh Mason Snyder Grimaldi Snyder
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Who played Lily Walsh Mason Snyder Grimaldi Snyder over the years
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Useful information on Lily Walsh Mason Snyder Grimaldi Snyder
*Was a suspect in Dusty's murder.
Current: Manager of The Lakeview
Past: Rosie's Roller Palace: Former Partner
Past:WOAK-TV: Co-Owner
Past:Valetta: Former Manager
Past:Montgomery & Assoc.: Former Executive
Lily and her mother, Lucinda, moved to Oakdale in 1984. She immediately formed a friendship with Dusty Donovan but Lucinda didn't approve of the friendship. She later met Holden when he went to work as Lucinda's stable boy. They were immediately attracted to one another. Holden's sister, Iva, began acting very protective of Lily. While Lily was horsing around with Rob, Iva announced that he was her father. Lily was shocked; she was even more shocked to learn that Iva was raped by Josh Snyder at 13 and became pregnant with Lily and gave her up for adoption. Emma then revealed that both Iva and Josh were adopted so there was no fear that Lily and Holden were related.
Lily and Holden began an on-again, off-again relationship. Holden married Emily Stewart, and Lily married Derek Mason. Derek died while rescuing Lily from a bomb. She and Holden became close and married for the first time in 1991. She had a miscarriage. Holden left town on business and lost his memory in an accident. He returned to Oakdale but couldn't remember anyone there. He decided he wanted out of the marriage so Lily eventually gave him a divorce. She left for Europe.
In Europe, she met Damian Grimaldi. They returned to Oakdale together. Holden was gradually recovering him memory and decided he wanted Lily back. Damian became jealous and angry, scaring Lily. She told Holden about her fears. Later, she realizes she was pregnant. In labor at the farm, Holden found Lily and helped her deliver Luke. Damian was very happy to learn he was a father. Soon after, Damian was supposedly killed in a plane crash. Thinking that there was something funny about it, Lily began a relationship with Diego Santana. They were engaged by the time she learned Diego was really Umberto Malzone, an associate of Damian's. On their wedding day, Lily decided to expose him and was found standing over him with a gun as he lay dying. Everyone thought she killed him but Lily couldn't remember anything. Later, it came out that Diego was killed by Kirk Anderson.
Lily left town for a while but soon returned and married Holden for the second time. Around this time, she learned of her twin sister Rose. The women became very close. Rose was poisoned the day Lily and Holden were married; she died. Lily had a tough time adjusting and this put another strain on her relationship with Holden. He began an affair with Julia Larrabee. Lily was devasted by the news but soon decided to fight for Holden.
Julia was murdered by her ex-husband. Holden and Lily found their way back to one another and Lily learned she was pregnant. Son Ethan Walsh Snyder was born and soon after Luke announced that he was gay. Damian returned and tried to interfere but he only succeeded in driving Luke away.
Lily and Holden found their way back to one another but things were never right because he couldn't leave the past alone. When he decided he wanted a divorce, Lily turned to old friend Dusty Donovan. At first they were only friends but one night they slept together. This began a friends-with-benefits affair but Lily also began to fall for Dusty, who was still in love with Lily. While Dusty was investigating Chris Hughes, he was attacked and killed by Evan Walsh. Lily became a suspect but Holden alibied her. She couldn't forgive herself for Dusty's death or the affair and decided to leave town for a while.
By the time Lily returned, Holden had begun to lean on Carly for support. They had an affair; Lily was livid when she found out and threw Holden out of the house. She had divorce papers drawn up even though Holden said the affair was over. Lily was attracted to Mike and began an affair with him to get back at Holden. The kids were beginning to accept Mike in her life when Ethan fell down a well at the farm.
Mike worked day and night to bring the little boy back; he was rescued by Paul. Holden and Lily couldn't deny their feelings and slept together after Ethan was home. She told Mike their affair was over.
Holden Snyder: Married
Diego Santana: Deceased
Damian Grimaldi: Divorced
Holden Snyder: Divorced
Mike Kasnoff (affair)
Keith Morrisey: Affair
Simon Frasier: Affair
Peter: Dated
Colin Crowley: Lovers
Sean Baxter: Lovers
Linc Lafferty: Lovers, Deceased
Caleb Snyder: Dated
Dusty Donovan: Lovers
Harrison Blake, Jr.: Dated
Lucinda Walsh: Adoptive mother
Iva Snyder: Biological mother
Josh Snyder: Biological father
Sierra Esteban Reyes Montgomery: Sister
Bianca Walsh: Sister
Rose D'Angelo: Twin sister, Deceased
Matthew John Dixon: Half brother
Bryant Montgomery: Nephew, Deceased
Lucy Montgomery: Niece
Jade Taylor: Niece
Royce Keller: Uncle
Samantha Markham Anderson: Aunt
Neal Keller Alcott: Aunt, Deceased
Georgia Tucker: Cousin
Emma Snyder: Maternal adopted Grandmother and Mother in law
Harvey Snyder: Maternal adopted Grandfather and Father in law, Deceased
Jared Carpenter: Maternal Biological Grandfather
Caroline Carpenter: Maternal Biological Grandmother, Deceased
Henry Snyder: Paternal adopted Grandfather, Deceased
Elizabeth Snyder: Paternal Biological Grandmother
Cal Stricklyn: Paternal Biological Grandfather
Gloria Walters: Adopted maternal Grandmother
Elizabeth Carpenter: Biological Aunt
Lenore Carpenter: First cousin once removed
Derek Mason: Deceased
Luciano "Luke" Snyder: Son with Damian
Faith Snyder: Daughter with Holden
Natalie Snyder: Daughter with Holden
Ethan Walsh Snyder: Son with Holden
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Lucinda and John go to see Lily. Lucinda tells her daughter that she can have the company because she's going to spend the rest of her life having a good time with John. "You're off the hook," she says. She and John leave. Lily and Holden don't know if that was real. She worries about her mom getting involved with John again. He's sure that as long as they love each other, it will be enough. She walks him to the door. "I..." she starts. "I know," he says.
Holden walks Lily home. He hates that things are no longer simple between them after the history they share. They talk about Molly and reminisce about stables until John rushes over and asks Lily if she will forget her mother. "Forget it," she snaps. John tries to talk her around but then gets called off to work. Holden tells Lily to stick to her guns. They discuss how her mother always butts into her life. She feels like she always caves to her. She asks him to hold her hand when she goes head to head with her mom.
Lucinda walks into Lily's as she's about to kiss Holden. She smugly declares that she was right about them all along. Lily explains that she isn't willing to forgive and forget the hurt she has caused her. Lucinda is sorry. Lily wants a time out so they can think about their relationship. Maybe some day she'll give her another chance... After Lucinda walks out, Holden holds Lily's hand. She thanks him and they smell the burning leaves. They remember when he was just a stable boy and kiss.
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