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To Be Or Not To Be… an MMO
When is an MMO not an MMO? (Note that I'm going to leave the whole "RPG" suffix out of the present discussion as a whole 'nuther kettle of fish. Note also that I'm not going to discuss this exhaustively or we'll still be here in October.)
Guild Wars is an odd beast. It is an MMO, because it's massive and has lots of players online all at once, and yet in many ways it doesn't feel like the other MMOs I've been playing in the last, ahem, half-decade. Ironically though, it's been reminding me more of the games I played in the half-decade before that — Asheron's Call in particular — than a lot of the other MMOs I've played more recently.
Asheron's Call was, on the surface, utterly unlike Guild Wars. Nothing was instanced, for one, at least not in the way it's done in GW; there were a lot of dungeons and other areas accessed through portals that were effectively instances, but none of them were private. Anyone who met the portal requirements could go in and would end up with everyone else who was also in there. Let's call them public versus private instances. (It's interesting that I never once thought of them as instances while I was playing AC — they were just a part of the greater world you had to use a whirly-purple portal to reach.)
And yet, in the last few days, I've been reminded of nothing so much as Asheron's Call when I play Guild Wars. Part of it is the "town/outpost" system which, in Guild Wars, are the only public places where you can meet people who aren't in your party; the only places, in effect, where you can interact freely with the rest of the player base. Asheron's Call wasn't like that at all but it did have several towns that served as player hubs; people would come out of the wilds or wherever they'd been and congregate in Glenden Woods, Eastham, Qala'bar and other places. The "in" town varied depending on fashion, player level and focus (PvP players tended to congregate elsewhere), but they were there and they were where you went to see other people.
I was no exception. I'd go off and do my thing, alone or with friends, and when I was laden down with stuff I wanted to sell or just wanted a dose of other people, I'd head off to whatever town was my base and hang for a while. In that sense, AC and GW aren't that different at all. Even the landscapes are somehow reminding me of each other, though the Guild Wars graphics are a few light-years ahead of poor AC's.
Compared with other big-name MMOs, Guild Wars stands out by being different in so many ways it's understandable that many don't think it's an MMO at all. Let me count the ways…
There aren't that many kill 10 rats quests. You're not forever striving after some insanely powerful item that will only be useful until the next expansion comes out and you have to strive after the new insanely powerful item. It's more instanced than many players — myself most certainly included — are comfortable with, and while the world certainly is huge, the instancing makes it feel somewhat disjointed (especially at first glance). And worst of all, when you go off adventuring you're in your own little world — meaning you're not competing with 27 other players for those foozle tails, and if you're not competing over scarce drops for mediocre rewards, how can it be a real MMO?
Even more heretically, Guild Wars doesn't lock you into skills or builds. The only thing you're locked into is your primary profession choice — after that, you can moosh your stats, skills and even secondary profession around as much as you like, as often as you like.
Doesn't that sound weird? It certainly sounded weird and a little suspicious to me a week ago. But you know what? It works.
Guild Wars doesn't try to appeal to the hardcore raider/achiever type. I'm not quite sure what their core player profile is, but I do know that it makes a nice change from the endless (if varied) standard-MMO treadmills; including, believe it or not, the crafting treadmills. I do love my crafting, but not having to harvest stuff and not wanting to make stuff I'll have to figure out how to sell… it's a nice change of pace.
Right now I have some fun classes (professions) to explore and try out, fancy-looking gear to obtain (note that it's more for looks than uberness), and places to explore. Best of all, if I suddenly stop wanting to play next week I won't have the nagging feeling that I'm paying for something I'm not using, since I'm not actually paying.
After a decade of worrying about getting the most bang for my subscription buck, that's more of a relief than I had expected. So I'm going to stop worrying about whether GW is or isn't an MMO and just get on with having fun. Strange concept, eh?
(In the meantime, I'm still playing EVE but on a much more casual level that doesn't involve leaving the safety of my comfy station very much. I buy stuff, I resell stuff, and my planetary installation — just one for now, but a different one than the one I started with — is doing relatively well and has almost paid for itself in under a week. The whole all-PvP all the time deal in these world PvP games is just way too stressful for me, so this is working out very nicely. I'm not uber, but that's never been what I was after, and EVE is one of those weird games where you can sometimes get more for your subscription buck by logging in less.)
Posted on July 26, 2010, in EVE Online, Guild Wars, MMO and tagged altoholism, EVE, expectations, F2P, guild wars, playstyle. Bookmark the permalink. 10 Comments.
I never considered in an MMO but not for the reason so many others do — namely the instancing. I was there from the E3 Beta til launch, and the entire time, Arena.net kept making a big deal to us that "this is not an MMO!" Also all the interviews they did for magazines such as PC Gamer, et al, the same thing was said "this is not an MMO" but for all those large-text headlines magazines like to pepper all over the page, all they ever did was extrapolate. "high fantasy… gorgeous graphics… MMO… no monthly fee!" Meanwhile the actual article read totally differently, but we see what happened: no one bothered to read. Bullet points and pictures apparently sufficed and all the EQ, etc. players have been forum flaming for years that Guild Wars is not a real MMO. Well, no shit, Sherlock!
Now, however, look at how "MMO's" themselves have changed. Today they could probably release Guild Wars and easily get away with calling it an MMO. And quite frankly, does it really, truly, matter if there are other players out there "in the world" with you? Because guess what: all we really care about is what our immediate group is doing. If we see other players out there in other MMO's, that's pretty much all we do is see them pass by, because they're doing their own thing, possibly with their own group, and they don't care a lick that we're there unless we interfere with their game somehow.
As for appealing to the "hardcore" type… just wait. You're still new to it all. If you're easily hooked into being a completionist or collecting every little thing, just you wait… it's about to hook its talons into you! :)
I've always thought the debate about whether GW is a MMO, or a "MMOish" online multiplayer roleplaying game was a bit silly. Whether John Q Forum Guy thinks a game is a MMO, a RPG, or a FPS with RPG mechanics really doesn't have much impact on whether it will be fun to me. Leave it to MMO fans to obsess out on semantics.
I love the fact that GW is always there when I was to pop in and play for a bit. I have been having the urge to log in this week and play around a bit. It's nice to have henchies and heroes though even if the game feels lonely at times. I just wish the game had an auction system .. other than chat.
Glad you're enjoying Guild Wars. If you've just made it to Post-Searing Ascalon, you've got a big journey ahead. I look forward to reading about it :)
Btw, I recommend buying an Elite Necro Tome and getting a skill called 'Aura of the Lich'. It will make your life so much easier…
Alas she is a noobie, the tome, it would not help her.
~_o I can walk you to cap ze evil Aura of Doom though, if you want.
(Tomes only work to teach you skills that you have already unlocked.)
I love GW. It clearly is no MMO, as it does not suck hard! ;)
Follow the mission-storyline, work on your char, her skills and builds, equip her heroes and enjoy the freedom and creativity of an advanced online game. Cheers!
I would say that GW *does* appeal to the hardcore… just a different type.


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Owen Hargreaves has admitted the thought of pulling his boots back on after virtually three years on the sidelines was "frightening".
Hargreaves made a dream debut for Manchester City last night, scoring the opener, then coming through almost an hour unscathed as Roberto Mancini's men recorded a 2-0 League Cup win over holders Birmingham City at the Etihad Stadium.
To the 30-year-old, the feeling of satisfaction almost compared to his two UEFA Champions League final wins, the second of which, for Manchester United, marked the start of a gloomy period from which few felt Hargreaves would ever return.
Already troubled by a tendinitis problem in his knees that dated back to his Bayern Munich days, Hargreaves felt the injury had got significantly worse that summer. Although he played three times the following season, after a draw at Chelsea in September 2008, he felt it was impossible to continue.
He headed out to Colorado for extensive surgery on both knees, under the guidance of Dr Richard Steadman, that initially appeared likely to rule him out for a full year, only for his comeback plans to be repeatedly interrupted by other ailments.
Aside from 45 minutes in a reserve game, an appearance at Sunderland in 2010 that could be measured in seconds, and a surprise outing against Wolverhampton Wanderers last season that came to an end after ten minutes as he limped off with a pulled hamstring, Hargreaves' career has been on hold.
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Against that backdrop, it is hardly a surprise Hargreaves approached last night's game with such trepidation. "It has been three years and four months," he said. "That is frightening in itself. I am not surprised how quickly I was in contention. There was a bit of a misconception and I don't think people would believe me if I said everything that went on.
"I would never have anticipated all these setbacks in my worst nightmare. You are left to pick up the pieces. That has been the biggest obstacle. It was a pretty humbling experience but I knew this day would come. Hopefully I will learn from it and make some changes and look forward to the future."
He added: "I just needed to be pointed in the right direction. The staff have done a terrific job of making sure everything was sorted. I did a lot of hard work this summer as well. I just need a bit more time to get used to the tempo. It is more dynamic when you are training with the group rather than on your own. So far it has been a great progression."
If Hargreaves was confident about his body's ability to stand up to the strain of facing an admittedly limited Birmingham outfit, his goal was something else. Snapping up a loose ball 25 yards out, the former Bayern man rasped a shot past Colin Doyle, which flew straight into the top corner.
"I don't score a ton of goals because I play a bit deeper in midfield," said Hargreaves, who found the net only twice during his entire time at United. "But when I do score they tend to be decent ones because they are from a distance."


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So I shouldn't need a reservation at Oceano Bistro. I almost didn't make one. But my fiancée and I step out of the heat into a crowd by the hostess' stand. Well-heeled types occupy every seat at the bar, nursing sweaty glasses of this-and-that, watching the Cardinals on the lone TV or much more entertaining the action around the open kitchen: fireballs erupting from sauté pans; line cooks hustling plates to the pass; servers reaching over shoulders and ducking under armpits to grab the correct orders.
The main dining room seats over a hundred, easy, and all but maybe three or four of the tables and cushy booths are occupied. Servers and bussers set the empties as quickly as they can. As the hostess leads us to our table, I see that the second, much smaller dining room (an enclosed patio, really) is packed as well. Is it mere coincidence so many have chosen this brutal evening to visit Oceano? Maybe. More likely: This is a new restaurant in Clayton, an area as favorable to new restaurants as any in this town. If I were here out of curiosity rather than professional obligation, I, too, would think this an ideal opportunity to score a prime table. Still, does that account for how busy Oceano is tonight? I'm not convinced.
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Hamachi-avocado ceviche...$9 Blackened Ahi tuna...$11 Scallops...$16 Sole...$19
We order drinks. I enjoy a glass of Nigl grüner veltliner from the decently varied by-the-glass selection. Its mineral edge is perfect for the dog days of summer though the $12 price tag is a bit steep. Still, how often do you find grüner veltliner by the glass? And I like how the server brings the bottle to the table and pours me a taste before filling my glass. (The wine list as a whole features predominantly domestic producers, though Spain, France, Italy, Australia and Chile do make appearances; of these, the Italian selection is broadest. Most bottles range from $20 to $60.)
Our appetizers arrive. On one plate thin slices of nearly rare "blackened" Ahi tuna are fanned across a bed of cucumber slices and topped with pickled ginger. There's also a spicy mustard sauce and two large crackers. The combination is refreshingly light and brightly flavored. The Ahi tuna is nearly as good as my favorite dish from two previous visits to Oceano: a ceviche of hamachi with slices of avocado and Sweet 100 tomatoes in a citrus dressing. The balance between the clean ocean flavor of the "cooked" hamachi, the mild avocado, and the acid of both the dressing and the tomatoes was fantastic. I wish there had been more avocado, though; once the few slices were gone, the dish's flavor tipped toward salty.
Our other appetizer is an assortment of nicely grilled vegetables: squash, onion and asparagus. There's a tiny crock of balsamic-brie dipping sauce much too tiny, since there are more than enough vegetables for four of us to share. Not that it matters. I forget about the vegetables even before the plate is cleared. I mean, I'm here for the seafood.
Of course. It's obvious. We're all here for the seafood and not only because seafood is more appetizing in this brutal weather than a pound of prime rib. Oh sure, we have seafood in St. Louis. But I think we want something more. More than sushi, as much as we love it, and more than a token entrée or two at our favorite bistro and definitely more than those crab-legs-by-the-pound or all-the-fried shrimp-you-can-eat type joints. We know that most of the old excuses for the lack of good seafood in the Midwest no longer apply, and we want a restaurant that goes beyond the tried-and-true crab cakes, salmon and tuna.
So on this putrid August evening, we've all flocked to Oceano. Maybe some of you will find what you're seeking here. Frankly, I'm still looking. The Ahi tuna and hamachi appetizers seem to be the exceptions, not the rule. Nothing's bad here, but very little on the menu overseen by executive chef Jon Lowe and Brian O'Brien, who co-owns the restaurant with Amer Abouwardah distinguishes itself from what you can find elsewhere in St. Louis.
Take the crab cake appetizer I had on a previous visit: It was good, nothing more. The only difference from decent crab cakes I've had elsewhere, a bracing lemongrass aïoli, was one of kind, not quality. When I ordered the crab cake, our server made a big deal of the fact that it was "95 percent" crab meat. Admirable? Yes. But shouldn't crab cakes made mostly with crab be the minimum standard for a seafood restaurant?
Likewise, on my previous visits even the best entrées were the least you'd expect from a place focusing on seafood. Exceptionally plump scallops served with white-truffle beurre fondue on the side were a tribute to good sourcing. "You don't even need the fondue," reported my fiancée. Sole stuffed with crab and lobster in a chervil beurre fondue relied on minimal fussing with sole's understated flavor.
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"QUOTES are for colour, not to tell the whole story."
These words from an old journalism lecturer were designed to explain the role of quotes in a story, in that it's the journalist's job to tell the story with his or her words.
The quotes from individuals are there to illustrate and support the story.
Of course, you can still tell a lot about a person by the way they speak. Or can you?
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It was on the back of the cringeworthy performances of the city council – particularly council leader Mohammed Pervez – during the TV documentary The Year The Town Hall shrank that I wondered if there might be an objective way of assessing councillors on the basis of what they say.
What I've done is go to the city council's website, and use a computer to then grab each of the 500-plus press releases, and then extracted a total of 193 quotes made by the council leader and his cabinet members.
I've then calculated a few simple measures designed to eke out details in their recorded speech such as the lexical diversity (or interesting-ness factor, if you like) of each politician, as well as a count of the things they are most likely to say.
Of course, these quotes are just a fraction of the words spoken by these individuals in public.
I could have used The Sentinel's own archive for a far greater range of quotes, although some councillors might suggest their specific quotes were inaccurate.
To avoid that, I've decided to use press releases as councillors essentially have to provide a 'signed off' quote which they agree to. Admittedly, this selection also introduces a bias, but at least councillors can't complain that they don't agree to what they've been quoted as saying.
So what do you find?
Well, it turns out that the councillor most likely to say something interesting – if by that you mean not using the same words over and over – is Alan Dutton, below, cabinet member for education. Of course, he has only been quoted three times, but he's twice as more likely to say something new than either Mr Pervez or Mark Meredith, who is the most-quoted person in the sample.
(I'd love to claim a possible connection to Mr Dutton's lexical diversity and the fact that he was the lead singer – Alan Avon – in a number of garage bands in the late 1960s and 1970s including Hedgehoppers Anonymous. It might be true, but I can't prove it.)
All the councillors have stock phrases to which they return time and again.
For example, council leader Mr Pervez's most popular phrases are 'Mandate for Change' – a phrase which for me has become synonymous with Prime Minister David Cameron's vacuous mantra 'Big Society' (vague and untestable) – along with 'bus station', 'last year', 'big names', 'tough times' and 'local democracy'.
Mark Meredith, who holds the portfolio for economic development, culture and sport, is most likely to use phrases like 'art gallery', 'Potteries Museum' and 'Staffordshire Hoard'.
In the light of the latest disclosures around the aborted closure of the Dimensions splash pool in Burslem, I couldn't find any use of the word 'facilitate'.
After 'bus station', the sixth most common two-word utterance for Ruth Rosenau, cabinet member for regeneration, planning and transportation, is 'exciting time'. The seventh is 'economic growth'.
As you might expect, most use phrases tied to their individual portfolio of responsibility.
For instance, Adrian Knapper, cabinet member for public health, is most likely to say: "minimise disruption."
Paul Shotton, who heads up finance, talks about 'best value-for-money', 'career prospects' and 'find savings', while Gwen Hassall uses phrases including 'young people', 'cold calling' and 'domestic violence'. Beyond that, there's not much else.
Given most of us have the ability unconsciously to quickly and accurately judge others on what they say – and crucially often what they don't say – you might think: so what?
But with the vast amounts of textual information now being created in documents and on social networks, it will increasingly important to have tools that allow computers to highlight and react to nuances in the use of the spoken word.
There are thousands of people now using Twitter in and across Stoke-on-Trent, with dozens of updates posted about what's happening around the city.
It would be impossible for a reporter to be awake 24 hours a day to read and assess every update.
But if we could teach a computer to analyse this stream of content we could improve our ability to react and report on breaking news. And improve our service to readers.
David Elks is an aggregation co-ordinator and data journalist.


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After waiting a very long forty minutes for lunch at the half full store on Hayes St in SF, the manager, not the original server, brought us our deep dish pizza, an overcooked burned crust kitchen mistake. Oh we were given the option of waiting more time for another pizza or taking this one for half off, no comp meal or drink, just a take it or leave it apology. We were famished at that point and starvingly accepted it. They didn't even offer any bread to make up for the mostly blackened sides and base crust. When I wrote the owners about this, there was no response.
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My expectations are high.. I gave up on good thin crust, but the thick crust is the best I have had better than in Chicago. I get white onion and mushroom.. AMAZING.
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While I didn't try the deep dish, the regular pizza was very good. I got the pesto, spinach and parmesaen pizza which had a little tomato sauce on it which was nice. They messed up our pizza but took a little off the bill which was nice. I highly recommend ordering a salad to start as the pizzas take a little while to bake. I had the greek and it was good.
Posted by Avin on 02/22/2006
This pizza is incredible. The deep dish is great, although you won't be able to eat as much as you think. It's very filling and probably the best pizza in SF.


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- Mario said...
"Both portfolios are accounted for on a held-to-maturity basis."
what does that mean exactly? They are holding the bonds until maturity?
I'm really starting to get pissed off with this whole forex swap line with the Fed. WTF man!!!
Ramanan has a point about the Fed being its own entity
- August 18, 2011 at 6:34 PM
- Matt Franko said...
I think usually, if you say that you are holding a bond to maturity, the regulators let you carry it at book, even though the market value of the security may have fallen.
This is a CB anyway so it is different as the ECB more or less can do anything it wants. One reason I highlighted it was that it is basically absurd for a CB to even be concerned about such issues. The concern about "held to maturity" would definitely apply to member institutions, but it may give the wrong impression about a CB...
btw I looked at the US govts net spending (fiscal flow) for the 5 statement days ending yesterday (Weds) and they seem to be back on: $36B net for the 5 days, if you base a month on 20 statement days, that is a flow of over $130B/mo, much higher than when we were at debt ceiling, the "soft spot" may have ended as Geithner may be opening the spigot to wide open...
- August 18, 2011 at 7:21 PM
- Mario said...
ahh I see. Yes rather funny for the CB to do that. I mean the whole point of them purchasing them is b/c of the fact that their market value is so terrible, so who do they think they are "fooling" anyway!?!? LOL
That's great news to hear about the spending. These politicians are weird folks man. Weird.
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An NFL labor stoppage right now doesn't mean ****. It's the off season.
Besides, the NFL has had labor disputes of varying types since the 1950's.
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September 19,2014
Great Japanese fare
After one year of serving Greek food to Mumbaikars, Goa's Thalassa has moved out of Olive Bar & Kitchen to make way for Delhi's Guppy by Ai. The Japanese restaurant has made Olive its home for six months and will be serving the best of its menu. Steamed Edamame Beans (Rs 300) garnished with sea salt make for great snacks with drinks. The Chirashi Seafood Salad (Rs 600) – pickled prawns, tuna, salmon, crab and baby greens mixed in gomaae or sesame dressing is light and preserves all the delicate seafood flavours. The Tiger Prawn Tempura (Rs 900) has six big, crispy batter fried prawns served with dashi – Japanese sea stock, spicy mayo and garlic chips.
The Guppy Signature Pork Belly (Rs 1050) is the star of the menu. Served with a mustard mayo sauce, the slow-braised pork glazed with soy honey is tender with crisp edges. The sushi menu is limited and the California Roll (Rs 750) – crab, cucumber, and avocado is the best pick from here. The Guppy Signature Black Cod (Rs 1950) – baked miso marinated black cod served on a hot stone, looks good on the platter but is a bit of a disappointment mainly because of its overly salty taste. Finish the meal with a bowl of Chashu Ramen (Rs 900) – egg noodles in a flavourful pork and soy broth with boiled egg, pork crackling, spinach, seaweed and corn makes for a complete meal by itself.
June 24,2014
I travelled all the way from Nashik for a friends invitation party which was given at this hotel. I thoroughly enjoyed myself and had a marvellous experience here. The food is simply delectable and yummy. The Ambiance is also very cool and the service is simply amazing and super fast.
It was really worth it to travel miles away to visit this restaurant !!!
May 23,2014
May 09,2014
thalassa feel
We sat outside both the times we went..the ambient white candles, pebbles under your feet, an all white decor interspersed with blue and the prevailing sense of solitude set the tone for a memorable evening.We started with the Pita bread and Humus platter and crostinis and found them delicious. The salad with Feta cheese and red wine dressing was superb too. Over to the next course and we ordered a basil pesto pasta which was truly great and something we had not eaten before. The other pasta with the red sauce and veggies was good to.
Juilee Manjrekar, PR, Marketing professional
November 20,2013
Thalasa pop up
The entire experience was lovely since Thalasa had an extensive menu planned up. Since I got too full with the appetizers, salads and finger food, I hardly got to try the mains which was a shame, but I did enjoy the desserts. The red wine that was served was quite dry (apologies, I forget the name) however, the yummy olives which accompanied it were absolutely yummy and so was the amazing Tuna Dip. I can't wait to return to the restaurant just for that dip. The other dips namely - tzatziki, tiro-kaf-teri, melitzanosalata (aubergine, chicken with hummus) were good too.
With the entrees, I absolutely loved the small greek pizzas and the fried zucchini was a bit too oily but still good. I did not like the spicy mushrooms saganaki (found it the tomato sauce a bit too watery). The grilled prawn skewers were crunchy and yum.
The Watermelon, feta and mint salad was the best I've ever eaten after the one at the Tasting Room and which is highly recommended. As mentioned, by the time I ate these dishes, I was so full that i hardly tasted the mains. However, I did hear that the stuffed calamari and the red snapper deserved a mention.
The dessert platter was fine - I thoroughly enjoyed the tiramisu, chocolate salami and double chocolate torte. Not a big fan of baklava so I steered clear from that.
Thalasa is definitely a pop us restaurant which deserves a visit!
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October 04,2013
Finally went to the Olive!
A really well done restaurant in terms of interiors and no wonder it is a party spot for the glitterati of the city. The food is good as well. The alcohol menu is extensive. Highlights to be tried include - Beef Gyros, Roast Lamb, Stuffed Calamari, Pork Chops.
August 20,2013
Super Lunch
A friend and me wanted to have lunch in worli /lower parel/mahalaxmi area and the decision was Olive as both of us had not been there for lunch in a while ... and what a great choice it ended up being :).. From the interaction of the manager and the helpful/knowledgeable staff to the wine and finally the food and service - everything was very very good..
Details - white wine was the the drink of choice and this ever helpful guy (cant remember his name) offered for us to taste a few before making a choice - no rush ,no pressure - we took our time and and picked a south african sauvignon blanc.
Ordered the Bay shrimp & calamari prancha ,Chicken shish touk and Roast almond and creamed spinach ravioli.While we were waiting for our food came a portion of hummus with 2 kinds of pita ( very good) to give our wine company :)..
Soon the food arrived and it blew my mind ... the presentation was world class .. we were just happy to stare at the food and not eat it for a while and when we finally did eat - it all tasted as good as it looked.
January 03,2011
Place to be seen... no value for money
Gourmet stay away from this place. If you want to have a nice outdoor restaurant to enjoy a good cocktail & some starters and to see happy few people & be seen, Olive at the Race Course is the place to be. if you focus on food & only food. The value for money is not there. While their plate presentation is interesting (especially compared to Indigo that really struggles on this point), the choice is great, the flavours are some kind of indianized... whioch spoils the experience. I got very spicy pasta. Having said that, the lamb was good but not exceptional.
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July 30,2010
Food's okay... price is steep!
I had the opportunity to try this restaurant a week back. We ordered some bread, pizza and pasta. I kind off had my expectations built high I guess for I ended up disappointed with the flavour of the food we ordered. My friend and I both saw the need to add some garnishing to make the food taste better.
Overall, the food's strictly okay and its highly priced from that perspective.
I am going to give in another shot shortly... lets see.
December 09,2009
Careful! Cheats!
Too bad 0 stars cant be given....
On a recent Sunday brunch a friend of mine came accross a shameful scam Olives is pulling.
The Tax for Alcohlic beverages, which is elsewhere listed separately, is being levied on the FULL amount (food + drinks) instead of separating the 2.
Sad but true!
Plus, food leaves much to desire. Drowning everything in Olive Oil with bland/no taste taste at all doesnt make it mediterranean!
And if I order a coffee/espresso in such a supposed-to-be-posh place, I do not expect to be served Nescafe.
Definitely the last time I went to Olives!
November 10,2009
cream class..feel like a vip..
the place in one word is BRILLIANT!!!
food is cooked and served like a dream!!!
the people dining around are super class just like this place..
service is better than what u would get at a 5 star..and i am not biased.
the location is perfect to take ur spl someone..just like i did..
pasta . wine . cakes . and a lot more .
thank u a.d.singh and chef max
October 05,2009
Go tell it on the mountains
A new place that was bordering on awful when it opened, no bollywood to support it in town sadly. Then something happened a month ago, the place has transformed into a swan, as beautiful as it was the food, service and wallet quotient are now at par with the best in Mumbai.
I have already been a few times with many different people, and they all seem to be in agreement that whatever has happened to this restaurant, gives us all a lot more reasons to cheer about. Do the same magic with the Bandra branch AD Singh.
October 05,2009
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For the first time, and on a whim I followed Burrp's advice and went this place, ignoring the old reviews. Seemed like a new avatar, and definitely warranted a visit.
I am a die hard foodie, and would not squirm at the site of strange things on my plate, so long as it is executed perfectly. I seldom eat with friends, since they often tend to lean towards Indianized versions of anything.
Taking the bait I went to Olive, so not known for it's food and sat in a quiet corner next to a Palm tree.
The lighting was more muted than before and gave itself an air of dignity previously unseen. Service was warm and informed, and then came the food. Raw tuna done three ways, bellisimo, stunning. The textures and flavours are still doing pirouettes on my palate. For the main course I had requested a steak, and was guided towards an off the menu choice, an angus rib eye. Let me just say, it rated as the best steak I have ever had in India, definitely imported, but unparalleled. The sauce alongside was complimentary and not the star, the potatoes just right and the garlic atop extremely mellow. I'd steal their new chef, who I believe is some young buck been making waves for a few years.
I tried hard to avoid dessert, but succumbed to a flour less chocolate pate, and am very glad I did. I was so impressed by this experience, that I will let them off on minor mistakes in the future. I still pinch myself thinking that I had a mind blowing food experience at Olives. It now sits atop the finest in the city.
October 05,2009
Paradigm Shift I say
I had visited this much touted chain soon after it opened its doors to us townies a year ago and must say it was sorely sorely disappointing. A friend called the other day to announce that there had been a change of guard at the restaurant, and some new Bangalore chef had moved here.
I went grudgingly, with no idea what a brilliant surprise lay in store. The service was crisp, efficient and for a change informed. The Crab Cake that I started with rivaled th best I've tasted in Chicago , and the John Dory done simply was true divinity, succulent, subtle and 'wow' all in the ame breath. A special mention to desserts, the 'apple' had me in Austria in seconds. The pricing too seemed much much better, a once a month trip now.
Don't know what these guys have done, but it's so so right, Indigo has something to fear. Well done guys on the turnaround.
September 27,2009
The Horse and the Olive
Next time I'll take the horse and pass on the Olive
I'm about 12 months late in checking this "new" eatery out, and so I was glad when me and a friend finally found an excuse to visit.
The restaurant was relatively easy to find and the covered, outside sitting area would be nice if you had your own punkah walla. Unlike the Khar version, there were no fans outside...
Inside was better, and decidedly cooler, even when it was totally full to the brim with revelers. The decor was more polished and definite than the Khar version, which I think is looking a bit tired now and in need of mini make-over. It's all the same theme though: white-washed walls and a Mediterranean feel to it.
The menus came thick and fast, as did the wait staff. The staff were pleasant, polite and informed, contrary to what some other reviewers have claimed below. The only improvement for them would be to lose the mock-Hawaiian shirts they are made to wear. They're just too distracting with their busy floral patterns.
And if we're in critical mode(!), the tables and chairs seemed to be made for the jockeys, i.e. folk standing at 5 feet 6 inches or less. Bruised knees and toes from stubbing them into the protrusions of the furniture all evening was not something I should suffer just because I'm not vertically challenged!
Similar to the other reviews; however, I have to say that the food did not pack the "wow" factor I was expecting - very routine, not overtly flavorsome, but interesting presentation nevertheless. The descriptions in the menu were the tastiest bit of our entire meal.
The drinks menu was long and deep: cocktails galore. Along with a very big sell from the staff on the Bacardi-owned Grey Goose vodka for a minimum of Rs 700 a time! I'm not sure the Grey Goose publicity added anything to the decor outside. Nor am I convinced that it really is a premium vodka anyway. It's made in France for the US market for god's sake! Moo's top tip: If you want a decent vodka, go for Polish every time.
Remember that you will be sitting opposite working stables for the duration of your meal if you are seated inside the restaurant. There is nothing about a horses rear end, or that of a stable boy's for that matter, which adds to the experience of fine dining ;o)
Overall, I would have expected a little more for a lot less than the Rs 6,000 we paid. And this amount included a 15% loyalty discount!
Therefore, this is an ideal place for anyone with an expense account which has not yet been trimmed back due to the recession.
September 06,2009
Feels good, tastes less good
Great ambience. However, for someone like me who is strictly vegetarian and a teetotaller the entire menu would come twice over in an SMS (pizza and skewers). We had both of these and it tasted fresh, subtle and well done. The portions are miserly (an indirect way of saying that the right hand column of the menu card is heavy). I absolutely loved the decor and the lilt of the place. There is no reason for me to go back unless there are more things on the menu that I can try out. I have also been to the original at Bandra a few times, and would certainly prefer Mahalaxmi to that for its feeling of space.
August 19,2009
so so bandra is better !
I went to olives mahalaxmi even though friends of mine recomended me not to. and now i understand why. the whole place was a little to al fresco for me. ( that and apart from the fact that you can smel horse sh*t ) lol the menu is similar to the one in bandra and is extremely expenisive way to over priced for what it is. but still ok for a once visit. I dont think it will last long !!! mumbaikars are not stupd they want value for money !
May 13,2009
Good food, though very pricey
A colleague and I wanted to grab a few drinks last night and decided to go to Olive. Though I've been to the Turf club before, this was my first time at Olive.
The drinks menu was quite exhaustive. They've got a decent collection of Single Malts, Wine and the usual stuff. We settled for a Jacob's Creek Cab Shiraz 04. The wine was pretty smooth and goes down well, however it didn't have too much of a nose. It retails for about $10 in the US.
I had a Penne Calabrese pasta and it was one of the best one's I've had in a long long time. The table bread was decent also. They goofed up my colleague's order. He had specifically asked for a wheat bread pizza but they sent one with a white bread crust. However they were quick to replace it when he spotted the error.
The place is nicely done and had a very pleasant ambiance. They've got an indoor as well as an open seating (covered) section. The parking space is plenty.
My only gripe are the prices. They're ridiculous. Charging Rs. 500 for a glass of Jacobs is a bit over the top. And they added a 10% service charge on top of the bill.
Alfresco for the Rich and Richer...
Great spot, glad you are now in central Mumbai, great fitout and design. The pasta and pizza continue to be excellent, congrats Chef Max but the grilled meats etc are fairly mediocre. Now for my whinge, because there has to be one right?
So, we are in the middle of a financial crisis and some restaurants just don't get it? I ordered a "premium" vodka soda and it was 1000 Rs!!!! Hello?!? Not to mention the winelist, a bottle of Cloudy Bay Sav Blanc at over 10,000 Rs, this sells for NZ$30 so you are charging over NZ$300!!! Outrageous, get with the program or you'll have no customers, there's no longer any corporate Amex's out there to support you.
September 23,2008
Its not right
I was at the Olive at Mahalaxmi with a few friends for lunch. It was reasonably busy but definitely not packed.
1. Good Ambience
2. Ample Parking
3. Good People around
1. Apalling food- Everything from soup to Salads to Pizza & sandwiches and Desserts were below par. Food was tasteless and meagre (imagine exactly 4 thin slices of Parma ham on a pizza costing about 500 bucks!!). I prefer Indigo / Indigo Deli or Basilico anyday for food.
2. Service- The waiters behaved as if he is doing a favour by serving us despite charging a 10% service charge on my bill. He was least concerned about our needs. The Manager/Supervisor (with long hairs) has massive chip on his shoulder. He was least bothered about our plight and turned his back on us.
3. Bad VFM - The products quality and quantity were not worth the price. I dont mind paying the same for good product.
4. Bad Stench - I don't if it was rain but there was a foul smell every now and then.
Sorry Olive, I will not come anytime soon unless your chef decides to upgrade his food quality and quantity significantly and your waiters start behaving like service professionals and not celebrities.
July 31,2008
similar yet different
The race course is going to become quite a hangout towards the end of the year. Olive has opened their branch and the word is out that Indigo might be coming too. Good for us south bombay folk i say.
Anyway, for those who have been to olive in Bandra this one is similar yet different. it has the same motif the Sicilian walls, the chairs, you get the drift.
what they also have is the slightly aloof service which travels in from Bandra. The crowds were good, pretty people, thank god there weren't that many film folk around. they can stick to bandra as far as i am concerned.
Olive for me has never been the gourmet experience a la Indigo but more a place to see and be seen if that is your thing.
i liked the table bread, the soup was ok, the salad was bland but the pizza was pretty good. i didn't have any of the pasta that was ordered so i cannot comment.
overall, i don't think they have paid as much attention to the food as they have to the ambiance. the service is fairly lame but its a lovely place to have a glass of wine.
damage : severe i think the prices have risen too. 4400+ for 3 with 2 glasses of wine. i remember it being cheaper than this..
PS. Didn't see any kids their either.
PPS. Since the place is hot right now, make sure you get a table in advance. chances of a walk in are slightly on the slim side.
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lean ground beef
1/4 pound
Italian sausage
6 slices
1 (15 ounce) can
tomato sauce
1 (28 ounce) can
canned tomatoes
1/3 cup
white sugar
12 ounces
I used bowtie pasta, browned the bacon, browned the sausage and ground beef together and sprinkled with mozarella cheese. Wouldn't add as much sugar next time.
I did not have any sausage so I used more bacon. The bacon never crisped up but the bacon gave a great flavor to the dish while it was cooking, so I don't know if it would be better cooking it with the beef or the sausage. My husband was skeptical but he had seconds. Will definitely try again.
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This was a very good meal. We substituted the sugar, canned tomatoes and can of tomato sauce for two 28 oz jars of Paul Newman spaghetti sauce and also used one 16 oz package of Spaghettini instead of 12 oz. We also subsituted Jimmy Dean Hickory Smoked Pork Sausage for the Italian Sausage since we had it on hand. This meal had alot of flavor and was very tastey. Since we used ready made spaghetti sauce we lowerd the simmer time to about 15 mins before backing for 30 mins. Total prep and cook time was less than an hour.
I used canned roasted garlic tomatoes and it basically did the seasoning for me. My picky boyfriend even liked it, but we both agreed that it could have used more of the tomaote/meat mix. I didn't even use all the noodles. Next time I will add more bacon and sausage, and maybe more sauce. I made german runzas for a side and it was a great dinner.
I made this to appease the meat lovers in my family. To lower the fat content I used ground chuck, turkey Italian sausage, and reduced fat bacon. 2 tablespoons of diced onion sauteed with meat. I did precook the bacon, but not to a crispy state. I used fire-roasted tomatoes, and a thicker tomato sauce. Sugar was reduced significantly with no detriment to outcome. Followed cooking times and temps to the letter. I received many compliments on this dish. Personally, I felt the bacon flavor was more powerful than it should be. Still, I had a second helping. I am looking forward to my leftovers!
This had kind of a peculiar vinegary/sugar/bacon flavor. I don't know if i'll make this one again.
This is an excellent recipe. I made it exactly the way it was written. The sauce had a lot of flavor. I would'nt change a thing. Thanks for the recipe!
Make this all the time as a side dish using a pound of fried and chopped bacon as the only meat, and adding it in right before serving. Following the rest of the recipe.
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
German Spaghettini
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Amount Per Serving
Calories: 424
Calories from Fat: 188
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Walking in their foot steps and carrying out their vision
is our mission. They knew that education was the only
missile that would enable man to uphold his dignity,
fight injustice and demarkate him from the rest of the
animal kingdom.
With the changing scenario, our task as educators has
become more challenging. Its not just imparting quality
education to child but make him/her a responsible, caring,
loving well integrated adult. The right combination of
intellect and wisdom are essential. Striking the right
balance is the prime duty as an educator.
Here every child is taught to compete with herself,
rather than competing with others. Every time she succeeds,
she adds to her growth. The change is internal, the competition
to better oneself as a human being. This equips her to
face all challenges with confidence.
Ann is the Patroness of our School. She is the model
of all mothers and educators. After many long years
of waiting, Ann and Joachim were blessed with a beautiful
daughter Mary. Mary was chosen to be the mother of
Jesus Christ. St. Ann embedded the values of spirituality
in her daughter Mary. St. Ann is the Patron saint of
the Congregation of the Sisters of St. Ann.
The Congregation of the
Sisters of St. Ann of Providence was founded
in Turin, Italy in 1834 by the Marquis and Marchioness
Di Barolo for the education of the children and
The Congregation received the approbation of the church in 1846 from Gregory
XVI, then reigning Pontiff.
Led by their venerated Co-foundress Mother
Mary Enrichetta Dominici, the Sisters of St.Ann went out
to all parts of Italy, into Switzerland then to India and
from India to U.S.A.
It was on 3rd March 1871
that the first six Sisters of St. Ann started their work
in Secunderabad then
in Bolarum in 1876.
From here they spread out in the vast state
of Andhra Pradesh and gradually to other parts of India
to continue their mission as instruments of Providence
for the downtrodden and marginalized.
The Logo of our School represents 'Integrity'.
Children are taught what
it is to be a person of integrity.
helps a person to be honest, moral and stand for things
that are right. The 4 flowers in the logo represent
the 4 houses of the School namely Daffodils, Shamrocks,
Lotus and Roses.
Students of St. Ann's
School, happy as can be
To our Alma Mater loyal we will be,
Always at our duty, busy as can be
He will give to us the victory.
Hearts and hands together to work in
Faithful to our motto of high integrity
May the Good Lord bless our Sisters, teachers dear,
Guide us and direct us here.
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ERWIN — Unicoi County Sheriff Kent Harris' legal counsel filed a motion in Unicoi County Criminal Court late Monday morning requesting the charges against the sheriff be dismissed due to "a defect in the institution of the prosecution."
The motion was filed by Harris' attorney Jim Bowman, who alleges District Attorney General Tony Clark interfered with the independence and composition of the grand jury that returned 10 true bills charging Harris with 10 felony charges.
The motion alleges that when the grand jury convened Oct. 14 for the purpose of considering evidence regarding Harris' alleged criminal activity, Clark questioned the members' willingness or ability to serve on the grand jury in light of the specific case that was to be considered.
"This questioning did not take place before the court, but rather within the grand jury room. Whether such questioning was sanctioned by the court is not known," the motion said.
The motion alleges that as a result of this questioning, two grand jury members were dismissed and three additional citizens were then impaneled as grand jurors.
Within a few minutes, one of these jurors was advised by the Unicoi County Circuit Court Clerk that her services would not be needed because Clark did not want her to serve and she was replaced with another citizen, according to the motion.
The motion, which was signed by Bowman and co-counsel Stacy Street, said the grand jury is an independent body that is independent of the court and the district attorney general, citing TCA 69-3-115.
The motion also cites Rule 6(c) of the Tennessee Rules of Criminal Procedure, which governs the disqualification of grand jurors for interest.
According to this rule, a member of a grand jury may be disqualified from consideration of a charge or deliberation of the other grand jurors if that member has been charged with an indictable offense, is a prosecutor, if the offense was committed against the member's person or property or if the member is related to the person charged or to the victim of the alleged crime by "blood or marriage within the sixth degree, computed by the civil law."
Harris' legal counsel asserts that none of the grand jurors dismissed in the case were dismissed for cause as provided by Rule 6(c), according to the motion.
"The defendant alleges therefore that the dismissal of those grand jurors and their substitution with others acceptable to the district attorney general was not authorized by law and constituted an impermissible interference in the independence of the grand jury by the district attorney general," the motion said. "Such interference with the composition of the grand jury constitutes a legal defect in the institution of the prosecution."
Bowman could not be reached Monday for comment.
Clark said Monday afternoon that his office intends to file a response to Bowman's motion in the coming days.
Clark said the only question he asked of grand jurors was if they had a blood, working or justifiable relationship to Harris and if there was any reason that a juror could not hear the case with impartiality.
When this question was asked of the grand jury, Clark said two members indicated they could not hear the case under these stipulations. These two jurors were excused, Clark said.
The juror who was told that she would no longer be needed by the Circuit Court Clerk was connected with the Unicoi County Sheriff's Department, working in the training and handling of K-9s for the department, Clark said. Clark said he brought this to the attention of Criminal Court Judge Lynn Brown and the juror was excused. Clark said he did not meet with or question this juror.
Clark also said allegations that he "handpicked" the grand jury are false.
"I respectfully disagree with the whole thing," Clark said of Bowman's motion, "and we will be filing a motion."
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Wednesday, August 6, 2014
Camp Grandma Is Up and Running
Camp Grandma is open for business. My beautiful girls are here with me until August 19th. They are becoming beautiful young ladies!
They arrived Saturday evening and we've been just relaxing and having fun.
Beach, boat rides, a week at a beach resort are all in the plans.
The best activity of all though....getting my Grandma hugs!
I shall return with more pics but for now...
P.S. The new man is just great!!
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Happy for you BB. I know how happy you are at having those lovely girls spending time with you again. They certainly are looking all grown up now. As I'm not blogging anymore, it was lovely to just pop in to see you via Facebook. Enjoy this time , my awesome friend. xReplyDelete
Nice pics; I hope that you have a fantastic time with your girls Barb!ReplyDelete
Glad to hear the new man is making you happy too :)
I know how much you love the girls. I'm happy for you, Barb.ReplyDelete
Great pics, I'm not blogging anymore either, so I love to find yours on FB. The girls sure look like they're having fun :)ReplyDelete
Have fun! Look forward to more picsReplyDelete
Love camp Grandma!! (My boys actually prefer it to real camp.) :) So glad things are going well... new man, great girls... what could be better?ReplyDelete
I think most children love to spend time at camp grandma or in my case it is camp nanna I remember as a child I loved to go to my nanna's house for a sleepoverReplyDelete
Camp Grandma looks like a great place to be!!! I'm sure your grandchildren have had a great time with you. You live in a perfect place for kids to visit in Summer.... ENJOY.ReplyDelete
I'm glad you met someone who makes you happy. If only our thirty-five year old son could find someone to make him happy.ReplyDelete
Everyone looks so happy! Have a blast!ReplyDelete


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Select Board votes in favor of aerial apparatus purchase
By Chris Maza
LONGMEADOW – At its Aug. 5 meeting, the Select Board voted in favor of purchasing an aerial apparatus – or quint – for the Fire Department's next vehicle when supplemental funds become available.
Select Board Chair Marie Angelides and selectmen Mark Gold and Alex Grant voted in favor of the motion, while selectmen Paul Santaniello and Richard Foster voted against it.
"Longmeadow is about one of the only towns in the area that does not have an aerial firefighting apparatus. We haven't had one since 1992 and there have been some major changes in our town since 1992," Angelides said.
Town Manager Stephen Crane explained the benefits of a quint – which serves the dual purpose of a ladder truck and a pumper – can be most appreciated when it is seen in action, using a recent fire on Frank Smith Road as an example. In that incident, East Longmeadow responded with their quint and the difference in departments' ability to handle the blaze once it arrived was noticeable. Also, according to a memo he drafted to the board on Aug. 5, Longmeadow is deducted five points, or 10 percent, by the Insurance Services Office, the rating bureau that sets insurance rates, because it does not currently have a ladder truck.
According to Crane, a replacement for Engine No. 3, which is approximately 25 years old, would cost the town roughly $500,000 while a quint would cost an additional $250,000.
According to the motion that passed, the town would only buy a quint or ladder truck as the town's next engine if there were funds available to supplement the $250,000 difference.
In order to help finance that difference, the board voted to open a fund through which the public could donate money. Crane was previously directed to talk to non-profits and tax-exempt entities in the community in order to gauge interest in donations, but said he found it difficult without any commitment from the board.
"It's hard to go and make a pitch when it hasn't been established by some kind of non-binding referendum – which essentially this is – that if the money is raised the board will do this," he said.
Foster voiced concerns in investing money into an apparatus without the board knowing all aspects, good and bad, of making such a purchase.
"There are benefits to a quint and there are also some very significant faults to a quint for any size community," he said. "There are communities who bought these and never even put them into service after finding out more about them. There have been communities that have gone with the total quint concept only to get rid of them four, five, six, seven years later because it didn't work out.
"This board has never been officially briefed, which I think needs to be done, on what I'd guess you'd call side effects of the quint. We have not identified what I think is all of the factors surrounding this purchase," he continued, adding any information the board has received in the past on the issue has amounted to that which would be found in a sales brochure.
Crane said that the proposal he received from Fire Chief Eric Madison went well beyond a sales brochure.
Foster also pointed out that several members of the community could not be reached with a quint due to terrain and power lines. He also said the maintenance costs on that vehicle would be 65 percent higher than that of a regular engine.
Santaniello objected to the discussion of a truck at this juncture, stating that the town had an established seven-year timeline for replacing Fire Department vehicles. The last apparatus, he said, was replaced three years ago.
"We're talking about something we shouldn't be talking about right now because we're on a cycle to replace the next fire truck and that's when we need to look at it," he said. "I also think we have charged the town manager with coming up with a capital plan every year and we have an ongoing capital plan and I think this needs to be a part of that capital plan."
Crane said he was never made aware of such a timeline.
Santaniello also opposed the idea of asking private citizens to donate to a fund to pay for a fire apparatus.
"The only thing I'll say about the citizens donating money is that they do it every time they pay their property taxes," he said.
Gold voted in favor of the motion because it stipulated that the apparatus would only be purchased when the supplemental funds were available. He voiced concerns about the need for the truck and added that there could be other uses for supplemental income. Any decision, he said, should be one based on clear information.
"There's the issue of public safety clearly, but one thing Richard said that really struck me was that we shouldn't be making an emotional decision; we should be making a factual decision. Is this the best use of the next $750,000 of the town's money?" he said.
Grant said that while the quint would not help in every situation, the prospect of it saving lives made it a worthwhile investment.
"I think I would agree with Mr. Foster that there are some things the quint can't do. It's not a panacea, it's not going to fight every fire, and it's not going to save every life. I recognize that the number of times that this quint truck would make the decisive difference is not that many times," he said. "But if it was my family or somebody I know, or really anybody, that's worth it. That extra $250,000 is worth it … If your house was burning down, would you be willing to pay that extra $250,000? Probably any family would be willing to pay the $250,000 themselves if it were to rescue someone they knew and loved."
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PEGGY NOONAN: What the World Sees in America – WSJ.com
By MB Snow at April 23, 2011 | 11:55 pm
What the World Sees in America It's not all something to be proud of. By: Peggy Noonan April 23, 2011 I want to talk a little more this holiday week about what I suppose is a growing theme in this column, and that is an increased skepticism toward U.S. military intervention, including nation building. Our republic is not now in a historical adventure period—that ... Go To Article
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After Historic Deal, Battles Loom Over DEBT CEILING, 2012 Budget – FoxNews.com
By MB Snow at April 9, 2011 | 6:11 pm
After Historic Deal, Battles Loom Over Debt Ceiling, 2012 Budget Published April 09, 2011 | FoxNews.com Thursday: President Obama and Vice President Biden enter the White House briefing room to speak to the media after a meeting with House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., on the budget and possible government shutdown. With a ... Go To Article
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