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Microsoft patches IE bug in Windows XP, but it's a huge mistake
- By Sebastian Anthony on May 2, 2014 at 10:16 am
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Microsoft, after officially retiring Windows XP back in April, has decided in its infinite wisdom to issue a patch for the Internet Explorer zero-day vulnerability that affected all versions of IE across Windows XP, Vista, 7, and 8. While this might seem like the right thing to do, it's actually a huge mistake that undercuts Microsoft's efforts to get the hundreds of millions of Windows XP holdouts to upgrade. After all, if Microsoft fixed this bug in Windows XP, who's to say it won't do it again? IT admins, faced with the harsh reality of finally having to upgrade to a modern operating system, will sleep well tonight knowing that Microsoft is a push over and will continue to support XP while it has a significant number of users. The status quo is preserved.
The current zero-day vulnerability, which affects IE6 through 11, across all versions of Windows, was confirmed by Microsoft on April 27. Microsoft acknowledged its existence after security firm FireEye reported on April 26 that the vulnerability was being actively used to attack "financial and defense" targets. At the time, I thought this would be the perfect stick to get people to finally upgrade from Windows XP (IE6 through 8, along with Windows XP, are no longer supported). Large institutions and corporations especially cannot keep running Windows XP if there's a massive hole that can be readily exploited. The bug was so serious that even the US and UK governments were telling people to stop using IE until a patch was issued (which, in the case of Windows XP, should've been never).
But alas, instead of growing some balls and riding out the zero-day wave, Microsoft caved and issued a fix for Windows XP. Microsoft says that the reason for the patch is due to its "proximity to the end of support for Windows XP." Fair enough you might think, but really, when it comes down to it, what constitutes "proximity"? If a similar zero-day vulnerability is discovered a week from now, will Microsoft fix it? How about a month from now? Or a year?
That's really the problem here: It sets an awful precedent. Yes, tardy governments and IT administrators can breathe a little easier for a little bit longer, and yes, your mom and dad are yet again safe to use their old Windows XP beige box. But to what end? It's just delaying the inevitable. Microsoft cannot feasibly continue to support Windows XP indefinitely — and yet with this sycophantic fawning to popular and journalistic pressure, Microsoft opens itself up to the terrifying reality of supporting XP for years to come while it still has a critical mass of users. It also has a knock-on effect for the web, with many organizations spending resources to support Internet Explorer 8, rather than forging ahead with standards-compliant HTML5 websites. (Read: With the death of Windows XP, now is the perfect time to switch to Linux.)
So, hooray: You're safe to use Windows XP again! Until the next bug is found, anyway — and there will be more vulnerabilities in Windows XP, I assure you. And then we'll go through this circus again, and governments will decry Internet Explorer, and MS will patch the hole. The wheel of time turns.
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http://www.classicdosgames.com DOSGuy
You realize that they didn't have much choice, right? This bug is so serious that government agencies have been advising people to stop using IE until the problem is patched, which was never going to happen for XP users. There are millions of people in the world who have computers that aren't powerful enough to upgrade beyond Windows XP, and don't have the money to buy a new computer. Since upgrading Windows isn't an option for them, their only solution was to switch to another browser, or another operating system (Linux). Microsoft doesn't want to drive IE users to other browsers, and they want those who are unable to upgrade to continue to use Windows so that they'll buy Windows 8 when they become able to upgrade in the future.
The roughly 1/3 of global PC users who continue to use Windows XP aren't all just being stubborn you know! A lot of them need to prioritize other things over a PC upgrade (food, rent, electricity, etc.). Those people aren't going to upgrade to Windows 8 no matter how outdated and dangerous XP becomes. If IE stops being safe, they'll switch browsers. If XP becomes unsafe, they may switch to Linux, or they'll just live with an unsafe OS, getting infected and infecting everyone else. All of those possibilities are losing propositions for Microsoft. They had no choice.
http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony
Yep, I understand why they did it.
It's just a crazy and unfortunate situation to be in. We all wondered if Microsoft was actually serious when it said it had retired XP. We all wondered what would happen if a serious vulnerability was found. Now we know I guess.
It's just a bit depressing that 20-30% of the world (or more, as that doesn't factor in non-connected PCs) will be using XP for years and years to come.
pelov lov
They reap what they sow. When they charge obscene amounts of money for their operating systems and have lengthy release schedules but wax lyrical about the benefits of it being universal, this is the natural outcome.
Internet Explorer is another mess all to itself. IE6 and IE7 (mostly 6) are still the biggest security gaps of the internet. Neglected, inherently unsafe, and miserable compatibility.
$99-199 for 6-13 years (depending on when one bought an XP license) of OS support is generally considered "a good bargain". Not all of their policies were super good ideas, but there's nothing "obscene" about what they charge for Windows considering how many people drop over $100 on cellular service every month. And cell service (in the US) is the ultimate example of paying money to get pushed around by monopolistic jerks.
pelov lov
Yet most people don't spend nearly that much. You can buy a PC for <$300, yet the operating system upgrade to that PC costs half of that price. Then consider volume licenses or enterprise and the coupled training costs.
A ubiquitous operating system requires a pricing structure that takes that into account.
Mo Friedrich
Well according to amazon, win 8.1 costs 80€ right now. That includes 13 years of support.
How on earth would anyone consider that an 'obscene' amount of money?
It could be, if you have a person or company that had actually gone and purchased new copies/licenses of every new Windows product that's come out then and now.
The reality is probably nothing like that, of course, considering a third of Windows machines still run XP, and Vista never made much of an impact on the market. But for those who went from XP to 7, going from 7 to 8 is likely going to be a cost they are not interested in ponying up … especially since 8 has been met with the same amount of derision (regardless of whether you feel it's deserved or not) as Vista received.
And lest we forget: Windows 9 is around the corner. April of next year is Microsoft's target date. The treadmill of supported products is about to move again.
Mo Friedrich
I work for an IT company. I can assure you, everyone in the industry waits until support end is close, then migrates to the latest tolerable version, in most cases Windows 7 which still has about six years of support left. If you already migrated from XP to 7 there is no problem – until 2020 :)
Nobody has to switch everytime, it would mean chaos, especially in a company. That's why Microsoft gives you about 13 years time with each of their OSes.
http://www.onlythedarkone.com Filip Rosier
Exactly Mo. Always OS migrations was problematic for companies – especially corporations – not only new infrastructure, in most situations, but also cost of reintegration of software, optimized and proved for each OS is pain in the ass of bookkeepers. Not every newest OS is supported by specialist software, every each license/machine need to be "X-rayed' to obtain data needed to intranet and etc. etc. Microsoft have made this not only XP – this repair. They have made this cause their only fault – every another after XP is… Xp in basics – with hardly changed system files, GUI, optimized and upgraded to new CPUs and other stuff. But in basics – if something serious is found in XP, that can be affecting 7, 8. BTW – even if they have changed coding number of system core, connections are still active.
Windows 2000 (Windows NT 5.0)
Windows XP (Windows NT 5.1)
Windows XP x64 (Windows NT 5.2)
(gap between cores seems to be illusion those days)
Windows Vista (Windows NT 6.0)
Windows 7 (Windows NT 6.1)
Windows 8 (Windows NT 6.2)
Windows 8.1 (Windows NT 6.3)
Pearl Carry
my Aunty Grace got a nearly new blue Kia by
working part time from the internet. look at this now FiscalPost.ℂom
You couldn't PAY me to put win8 on a machine, unless it was a tablet or convertivle laptop of sorts. Win8 was not designed for desktops, I don't care what they say. Desktop users know this, and the clever 8.1 "bring back a desktop looking view" isn't the solution.
Mo Friedrich
Did you even ever use it? I do. Agreed, it took a little time to get used to the new UI elements, but now I wouldn't want to miss the fullscreen start menu anymore. I spot the program icon I need instantly, grouped all the tools in categories I need, while every one of them stays visible, the search function works like before but is way faster, the weather/rss tile etc. show their information conveniently and unobstrusive while the start menu is opened… I really don't get what problems you could have with a better start menu, now fullscreen. Tell me any other large impact on your pc usage introduced through windows 8?
IE 6 and 7 are both deprecated, why are you even talking about them?. Furthermore, IE8 will be end-of-lifed soon too (next year I believe, with Server 2003), and any currently supported Windows desktop OS (Vista/7/8.x) can run IE9 or higher. The new generation of IE (which began with 9) are all comparable to any other browser on the market (from the same period) in any way that you care to measure; in fact, IE11 is currently the MOST SECURE of the top-4 browsers (with Firefox being the worst)…
It's not depressing at all, actually. The real depressing thing is the way Microsoft has trained you and most people who share your opinion into believing that XP is a rotting corpse with all the health hazards associated with decomposing carrion.
First of all, the only reason XP is "obsolete" is because Microsoft engineered its obsolescence as part of its business model: generating income through making new versions of Windows, which in most cases amount to nothing more than withholding improvements and new tech from the older versions (Direct X is a very powerful tool in forcing gamers to shell out money to upgrade).
Linux, however, is proof that forced obsolescence is not the only path to progress. As I understand it, Linux kernel versions as old as 2001 are still actively supported. Even then, Linux's upgrades aren't segregated into arbitrary and individual products that its userbase must install separately.
Rodney Hebner
Eh. Google did the same thing with Chrome on Android (newer versions only run on 4.0 ICS and newer), and Android is a free OS. HP does (or at least did) the same with their consumer-level printers, not releasing new drivers when a new Windows OS comes out.
XP is 13 years old. Supporting 13 year old software isn't all fun and games. Technology moves on. When XP came out, PCI-e wasn't even a thing; now, my latest desktop motherboard doesn't have any of the old PCI slots. USB 2.0 was but a newborn when XP came out; now we're on USB 3.1. HDMI wasn't a thing. Almost every version of XP out there is 32-bit. That's pretty miserable, really.
The thing is, supporting 13-year old software isn't pleasant. But instead of looking at the 13-year mark, we should be looking at the 5-year mark of when Windows 7, XP's first viable replacement (any argument that Vista wasn't a horrible, horrible mess and shouldn't be discounted as a viable replacement?), was released. We haven't even gotten to 5 years yet for Windows 7. I don't know what I think the "proper" number of years should be to keep an older OS alive after a viable replacement comes out, but I think it should /at least/ be 5. Based on that number, it kind of seems like Microsoft wishes to be pushing users to other OS's – ChromeOS, Linux, Mac, etc, with their support cycle. I find it ironic and humorous that the alleged reason Microsoft won't support an older OS is to push people toward their newer ones (to make money), yet in many cases probably has the opposite of the desired affect (moving to a different platform). "I have an iPad and an iPhone, so why not get a Mac if I need a new computer?"
The reason why almost every version of XP is 32-bit is because the 64-bit versions were never widely marketed. You could only really get XP Professional 64-bit edition as an OLE disk from online vendors such as Newegg or TigerDirect, compared to finding them in brick-and-mortar stores.
Again, I point to how Linux does things as a counterpoint to the argument that "old software is hard to support because it's old." That only becomes the case when you have situations like with Microsoft, where versions are segregated into separate products and any new improvements are kept from the older versions.
Having seen the experiments that computing enthusiasts do with other Windows legacy OSes, I'm convinced that the barriers to upgrading and modernizing software are arbitrary for the most part.
Of course. Microsoft is a business, and like any other, it needs a revenue model. I am sure that they could have released an XP Mega Service Pack that overwrote XP's core and actually made it into Win7. However, why should they give it away when they have tens of thousands of employees working on these things that they need to pay (and that pay has to try to be competitive if they want to retain any talented people)?
If $100 every 13 years is an insurmountable hurdle for someone, then sure, go for Linux. It IS a lot of money in developing nations (although MS also has different pricing structures for different countries and it may well cost less there). For most normal people of working age in countries where PC computing is prevalent, it is not a big deal. For companies it is a big expense, but it is not an unexpected one since MS has been very up-front about the retirement of XP. And no, you don't need to go buy a new PC to use the latest Windows. I am rocking a Thinkpad T61p from ~2007/2008 and it runs smooth as can be. I tried Linux (Mint and Ubuntu) multiple times over the last 5 years, but the lack of proper support for the dedicated GPU or SATA controller made it into a slug…my SSD was slower than the 5400RPM HDD it replaced. Windows 7 and 8 never had any of those issues.
A few custom PC vendors did, of course, but yeah most mainstream big box companies steered clear.
Micheal kennedy
"I find it ironic and humorous that the alleged reason Microsoft won't support an older OS is to push people toward their newer ones (to make money), yet in many cases probably has the opposite of the desired affect (moving to a different platform). "
By THAT logic, people would all still be driving old 80's and 90's model cars, as those cars, with continual repairs still work just as good as newer models, and most people REALLY ignore ads and selling points for more modern equipment.
Our friend here Mr. Hebner wants us to think people are NOT influenced by pressure sales, even scaremongering ( for the latter, H1N1 vaccines, anyone ?)
The two Government recommendations DID NOT tell people to stop using IE and switch, they told people to either stop using IE for a couple of days (till the patch came out), and UPGRADE wherever possible (IE10 and IE11 could both be made invulnerable to this attack WITHOUT being patched) and, in the event that neither avoiding nor upgrading was possible, THEN they should consider switching browsers. That level of nuance, however, was of course, left-out because of it's rationality and the depressing effect that has on sensationalism… IE11 is the most secure browser on the market currently: There hasn't yet been a demonstrated successful drive-by attack on IE11 with EMET installed, and, if you haven't already installed EMET, then YOU are the weakest link in you PC security-chain…
Best practice internet security for a Windows PC:
* enterprise-grade anti-virus,
* enterprise-grade firewall,
* IE11 under Win 7 / Win8.x
* Windows Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET) 4.1 (or newer!)
* NONE of these Adobe Products: Flash/Air/Acrobat
http://www.classicdosgames.com DOSGuy
I never said that the governments told people to stop using IE and switch. I said "governments have been advising people to stop using IE until the problem is patched".
jayson Teeman
Exactly….Microsoft can't expect everyone to be updated to Windows 7 and 8 in a month
jayson Teeman
They should have just offered a free update to licensed XP users for a basic windows 7 update.They will still make a crapload of money elsewhere. A gesture like that would show Microsoft actually gives a hoot, and would encourage people who can't afford fully operational OS to buy one in the future. If Microsoft leaves them hanging, when they get enough money, they may just decide to go Apple.
By 'modern' I'm assuming you mean 5 years old?
Good article – I like that you aren't afraid to express your personal feelings… :)
Marc Guillot
How a case of such very very bad luck for Microsoft can be possible ?.
Just a few weeks after outdating XP and the most shameful bug on Explorer appears. Looks like someone knowing the bug was waiting for the right time to sabotage Microsoft retirement strategy.
People shouldnt have to pay for a new copy of windows to use their existing equipment. Thats bulls**t. Especially when there are perfectly adequate FREE operating systems available.
Bilal Mahmood
or just pirate 7 or 8 ;)
If someone pays $199 in 2001 for an XP license and gets 13 years of patches and update support, are they entitled to continue to get new products indefinitely because of their one-time payment? If people were just buying the compiled code for the OS it would be one thing, but they are also getting active patch and update support, which costs a company like MS money to do.
Nobody tries to apply that rationale to cars, TVs or cell phones. Yes, there are free alternatives to Windows, but the fact is that they do not work better (or even as well) as Windows in many instances. I've tried to make the switch to Mint and Ubuntu multiple times in the last 5 years, but the total lack of driver support on my older Thinkpad machines with dedicated graphics makes them nearly unusable. It was a choice between spending $199 on an 8.1 Pro license, or 5-7x that on a machine that is current enough to have proper, hardware-specific Linux drivers.
What dedicated graphics are you referring to? Thinkpads are notoriously Linux-friendly and Ubuntu makes it stupid-simple to get working graphics drivers.
pelov lov
I'm typing this on a ThinkPad running Ubuntu, so I can personally testify to the above. Everything was supported in the kernel. Even the Intel WiFi model I've added was supported without any additional drivers.
You can always download the drivers from nVidia and AMD both via the software center or their website. In fact, as you install the OS it actually asks you if you prefer their closed source drivers.
If you did try installing Ubuntu on your ThinkPad, it certainly wasn't anytime recently.
http://www.korioi.net/ Korios
That's fine and well, but I would like to have a Thinkpad "bare" or with Linux preinstalled. Windows are used less and less, yet you are still forced to buy them in the majority of cases. That is not free market, it is protectionism.
T61p (2007/2008 era) with NVS 140M. Graphics performance has been awful the last couple of times I tried Mint and Ubuntu. UI effects would nearly hang the computer as they tried to render.
My Samsung 830 256GB SSD also slowed to a crawl and was slower than the 5400RPM HDD it replaced. For whatever reason the SATA controller driver was not working well.
I think they should support it for life. For most people, neither cars or computers last 13 years. I understand the distinction between software and hardware, but a lot of people do not. They buy a computer – they want it to work. They should not have to fork over more $ to Microsoft to use the same equipment – and be forced to learn a new interface to boot! Patches and updates are Microsoft fixing *problems* with their product. If they are going to charge $200 for a friggin *operating system* – in this day of age of free OSes – then I dont think its unreasonable to support their product for life. Ive been using Linux as primary desktop since the 90s. For most people, its a perfectly reasonable alternative. Unless you are playing games, or using high end music software or something, Linux has the apps. Incidentally, I would totally pay $5 or so a year to keep my XP instances up to date. I still think it should be free, but I'd totally pay $5 * the 10 or so older machines and virtual machines I have everywhere still running XP.. :/
Incidentally, I am seriously looking at making my next workhorse machine run on Linux. I have been very disappointed with the course Microsoft has charted in recent years. OpenGL support is starting to get taken more seriously by the game industry (Epic Games has announced plans to provide Linux (and, by extension, a potential XP) support with Unreal Engine 4 through OpenGL.
Linux on newer machines is not a bad plan. Driver support is improving rapidly these days, and while it still has a way to go to get to Windows' level, I think that the equivalence point is at least in sight on the horizon now. It's certainly priced right!
"Pay once, support forever" is a business model that leads to bankruptcy IMO, and if MS goes under, nobody gets any support and has to scramble to some alternative. While it is annoying when new security holes get discovered, I think it is understandable since there are probably millions of lines of code and possible permutations of attack vectors which cannot all be found and patched fast enough to meet a realistic product schedule. I've run into bugs in VERY costly software like LabView, SolidWorks, Pro/Engineer, etc.. When THAT happens, I get pissed because licenses cost upwards of $10k depending on the package, and updates are a lot slower to roll out for those than Windows. In purpose-built applications like those, I find myself thinking "WTF did we pay for?!"
While I completely disagree about "pay once, receive software support indefinitely", I do agree that an annual subscription type model is actually pretty intriguing. With the way things are going, it might be Microsoft's best bet, or at least a good option to offer. As long as they don't totally lock-out the user's device if it hits an expiration (say you have auto-pay set up but the CC expires) I think you are on to something.
What about those who paid $199 for XP in 2008? That doesn't come out to 13 years. Of course, that XP could be purchased in 2008 has to do with Vista not working so well.
BTW, I legally acquired a copy of XP in 2013. I'm not going to whine because I got it for free. I use it only on a computer that doesn't have Internet access. My point is I'm wouldn't be so sure that someone couldn't legally buy XP even after 2008.
It is unfortunate for someone that got a copy late in the game, but Microsoft made it public knowledge in 2007 that XP support would end in 2013. For those that have philosophical objections to paying for software, it is probably a big deal that isn't to be shrugged off. For me personally, as an adult with a job and living expenses, it's not really something that seems worth being too upset about. Considering how much money I have to pay for property tax every year on land that I supposedly "own", the Windows licence every 5+ years is not even a blip on the radar. Again though, I understand that many people who are also working adults feel otherwise and place more importance on their philosophical views. The merits and flaws of capitalism are very real things and maybe the topic of software licensing is how lots of people vent frustration with the capitalist system.
Does anyone still use IE? Seriously, I quit about 4 years ago after getting script error after script error on about half of the sites I accessed. FF had none, so it was a no brainer to put IE in my rear view mirror.
http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony
Yep, about 50% of the world's internet connected PCs use IE.
Yes, I can't believe it either.
Rodney Hebner
Around 25%, actually, if StatCounter.com has reliable statistics.
http://www.something.com/ standard
Pick your source
Wow, so it's Chrome that actually has almost 50% of the market share? That surprises me. I thought it would have been Firefox, if anything.
I wonder how Google pulled that off? I don't recall them having a publicity campaign nearly as aggressive as those from Firefox fans. (Remember "Take back the internet!" ?)
http://www.something.com/ standard
lol, wut?
You haven't seen the advert for chrome that appears when you do a google search?
No need to be aggressive when everyone comes to you anyway.
That should answer your question, then. Firefox fans were much more "in-your-face" about pushing their browser of choice on people.
http://www.something.com/ standard
lol, of course they were 'more' in your face.
IE comes pre-installed, and google is a daily use for most people.
How the hell else will people hear about firefox apart from fans?
For a while, Google advertised heavily on TV. That's how (IMHO).
http://www.classicdosgames.com DOSGuy
I don't use it at home, but I'm forced to use it at work. IE is very common in business and especially government, where IT guys like the degree that they can customize and control it, and the fact that they already have service agreements with Microsoft for Windows and Office.
Yes, a lot of developers are rubbish.
I use Chrome primarily and IE as a backup. IE is better and safer than Firefox.
Does anyone uses IE. YES, and by the millions. I use Firefox as my main browser but I also take my casual surf on the blue E. IE11 is a very fine browser and even more when coupled with IE11 on Windows Phone 8.1.
Im exactly the same. WP8.1 and on my Surface tablet, i use IE. Although on the desktop i am increasingly using IE11 over Firefox. I used to be 100% Firefox (Netscape before that) but my use of Firefox is shrinking especially at home. I tend to use FF more in the office as our dumb McAfee AV software seems to cause less problems with Firefox than IE.
Rodney Hebner
I couldn't disagree more. Microsoft has put a HUGE bug into every one of their browsers going back 10+ years, and when it's finally discovered, they're just supposed to say, "nope, not our problem"? FYI: Windows XP is STILL the second-most used desktop OS today.
When a car company discovers a major problem that affects the safety of owners, they issue a recall for every car with the defect, not just the ones that are still under warranty.
This bug affects the safety of using the computers vulnerable to it. It's not like you can fix IE yourself like you possibly can with automotive recall issues.
Sure, in a perfect world, people upgrade their vehicles and computers at least every ten years. I don't live in a perfect world. The simple fact of the matter is that this bug should have never existed this long. It should have been fixed long ago. I give credit to Microsoft for acknowledging that by fixing it for computers that it SHOULD have been fixed on prior to now.
People still drive roadsters decades old because they still run just fine, and their owners don't see the point in spending thousands of dollars on a new car. Defense industry experts in 1979 were balking at the US Air Force continuing to use the B-52 Stratofortress, a bomber that was 25 years old at the time. Now, the USAF has announced plans to continue using it until 2045, when it will be almost a *century* old, because the bomber has turned out to be very economical for certain missions compared to flashier, more modern bombers.
It's very similar to the rationale people use for staying with legacy operating systems. And it's not just XP; as I've found out, Windows 2K still has enthusiasts using it. As does ME, and even 9X. These enthusiasts do have to take certain precautions, but they argue that they aren't anywhere near as vulnerable using them, or feel all that restricted in how they can use them.
http://www.something.com/ standard
Right, because asbestos works just fine as insulation, right?
Right, because asbestos is used in every piece of equipment that's considered "outdated," right?
Fallacious counterargument is fallacious.
http://www.something.com/ standard
No, people stopped using asbestos when they realised there was a big flaw with it, so they moved onto something else. hint hint, winXP.
XP actually has the fewest vulnerabilities compared to Windows' more modern OSes (Hint hint, Vista, 7 and 8).
To use your analogy, people started moving INTO asbestos-lined houses when they were duped into thinking there was a big flaw with what they already had.
http://www.something.com/ standard
/me facepalms.
Link 1, flash is the problem, combined with IE.
Link 2, at over 1200 vulnerabilities, XP and 7 are seperated by 4…
I just want to take a moment to clear up that I like XP. There's plenty I prefer about it to 7. And don't get me STARTED on 8. *gnashes teeth*.
BUT, there comes a time when you have to accept something is outdated and unsupported, vulnerabilities aside.
And yet you still thought comparing XP to an asbestos-lined building was a logically sound counterargument. It wasn't.
It's true that when a company drops support for a product, its userbase has to accept that. But that doesn't necessarily mean the product is no longer viable to use. It all depends on the needs of the user, and if there are other viable sources of support if they need it.
http://www.something.com/ standard
Interesting. I think we're possibly having two different arguments.
I'm not saying that XP is now useless. Some might, but not me.
I'm saying that in this instance, it'd be better to move away from the problem than fix it.
Like replacing asbestos with fibreglass, instead of expecting the asbestos company to provide you with a gas mask.
No, I understood the analogy you were trying to make; an extension of Microsoft's Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt campaign. The idea that once Microsoft pulls the plug, XP will become extremely dangerous to use.
I have seen FUD-dripping articles on other tech news sites announce that XP is more dangerous than Heartbleed, for example (ridiculous!). But if we're going to use the "switch asbestos with fiberglass" analogy in light of this article, that would be comparable to an XP user ditching IE for a different browser, not ditching XP for a different OS.
http://www.something.com/ standard
That's right actually. This is about IE.
And you're right that the risk of using XP is being blown out of proportion.
Dan Gould
Hello standard, I have to disagree with on this basis:
My Windows XP computer works beautifully. So beautifully that I would pay for extended patches by Microsoft or some other qualified company to keep it running for many more years. There is not a single thing that I need it to do that it does not do. I do not expect Microsoft to keep patching it for nothing. One additional piece of info in regards to my machine is the fact that I ORDERED (from Dell) my brand new computer "downgraded" machine to XP during the Vista era. so I have only gotten 6.5 years out of my XP machine. How am I being treated fairly here? I stuck with Microsoft. I have 3 windows 7 laptops as well and they are OK but I like XP better. I am a loyal Microsoft customer. If they do not continue to offer me some sort of continued loyalty I will move on to LINUX.
Rodney Hebner
The problem I /personally/ would have with doing that is the lack of hardware support. I like to buy new/fast hardware and not have to worry if there's a Windows 2000 driver for it. I did like 2000 once upon a time, but I was an early adopter of XP and never looked back. I have skipped in their entirety ME, Vista, and (hopefully continuing) 8/8.1.
I am personally not an XP user (for personal PCs). Haven't been since the day Windows 7 hit Technet in 2009 (before the regular release to the masses). And will be a Win 7 user until I switch to Linux or MS comes out with something that doesn't create angst in my soul as soon as I start using it like Windows 8/8.1/Server 2012. BUT I do have compassion for people who do still run XP. I know some businesses still run software that won't run on Windows Vista or 7 (or 8) natively. I just know it can get troublesome using some of the older OS's when newer software won't run on them, and you just kind of get pushed out the door. It's not all Microsoft. Plenty of software companies stopped making 98/ME-compatible software before those users were ready to throw in the towel.
So this all leaves me a question. Is this all somehow worse than Apple switching to Intel chips from PowerPC, and then telling all the people who had bought PowerPC-based Macs that they couldn't upgrade to OSX10.5 or beyond? I mean, I would have felt pretty wronged if I bought a PowerPC Mac right before the switch and then got the door closed on any potential future upgrades.
Too many folks taking the continued use of XP by others personally. Emotions seem to be involved. I don't know why MS providing an update to about 400 million users is a problem.
Jeremiah Seekins
IE hasn't really been supported for a while now on xp. Sure maybe security patches and such. But IE stopped at 8 on xp. If someone is still using xp they should use a modern browser that is still supported.
http://pitbullprogrammer.com Josh Rose
I think this may have been a timing issue, Microsoft officially drops support for XP and a few weeks later we have a zero day bug that won't be patched in XP. I think if more time had elapsed Microsoft may have been more inclined to stand their ground.
Even though XP is officially unsupported, couldn't a business still sue them if massive Ammounts of money were lost through an XP exploit?
Regardless, the negative feedback from the "average" person when they found out all of their money was gone wouldn't be directed at the bank that refused to upgrade from an obsolete OS, it would end up being directed at MS after the bank finished damage control.
It's worth noting that versions of XP are still being supported, and that's even discounting the pricey "custom support" that several national governments have paid for.
XP is still alive, despite the amount of handwringing about it being "obsolete," a "dead OS," and "a zombie" by tech journalism.
It's also worth noting that Secunia has found that XP is actually, albeit by slim margins, the LEAST vulnerable OS when comparing it to Vista, 7, and 8. In fact, it's Windows 8 that's the most vulnerable.
You know what's the real zombie here? The Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt campaign and its shills like Sebastian Anthony.
I'm just going to keep laughing at the massive butthurt among tech journalists like him bawling "It's a mistake! It's a mistaaaaaake!"
XP enthusiasts are more likely to be using other browsers than Internet Explorer, anyway.
http://www.something.com/ standard
I think MS should have put their foot down, proximity be damned.
What better way to prove people should move away from XP than a gaping hole appearing after reaching end of life.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't I guess. People have been riled up about XP support ending because, "those greedy jerks are trying to force people to buy a new license!" Then when MS still provides an essential fix they rage about, "OMG they are so stupid, why are they enabling people to keep using such an outdated OS?!" Besides, if they had not patched this, the whole web would have convinced itself that MS put the hole there on purpose to screw over XP users.
I think that hating MS is still the "cool" thing for "tech people" to do. It's great for Google, Apple and Facebook. With people's ire misdirected at MS, the others are free to run off and build the most epic, privacy-invading monopolies ever seen. At its peak, MS could probably only dream of having the kind of life-invading presence of its current-day competitors.
http://www.something.com/ standard
I think MS are just reaping what they sewed. They had the world in their hands, and wiped it's arse with them.
Brett Turner
> Microsoft cannot feasibly continue to support Windows XP indefinitely
Seriously, why not?
The only answer is money: a single copy of Windows should not include lifetime support. But that problem can easily be fixed. Ask people to pay a modest sum for extended support for XP past its normal deadline. (This is origially John Dvorak's idea.) Microsoft could even earn a modest profit on the payment.
Microsoft *is* doing this, but not for the average consumer, and at prices designed to twist the arm of those parties still using XP.
The British and Dutch governments, as I recall, paid a hefty sum for extended support until such a time that they upgrade their XP machines to the more recent versions.
I'd argue that they could have just left Microsoft in the cold by switching to Linux, but they probably have a lot of programs designed to run only under Windows.
Mo Friedrich
My gosh. You people just don't want to realize Windows XP is a piece of crap seen from today's security standards? You could also constantly repair your 1960s jaguar because you love to drive it, in case of an accident it'd still be a danger for you and everyone else on the road because tech has evolved since then.
I think the author is not completely right. I vowed to myself never to buy another copy of windows if they failed to patch this massive security flaw in XP/IE, unless they came out with a version of windows I actually *wanted* to upgrade to.
So in a sense it restored some faith in MS, and I will probably bite the bullet and upgrade to W8 even though I don't really want to.
Win8 is fine once you take a little bit of time to unlearn a couple of things and learn the new ones.
– Win Key + X is a vital shortcut
– Win Key + (first few letters of what you are after) gets you to almost all settings and programs you want, way faster than clicking through to them
– Right click and uninstall most or all of the built-in Metro apps (maps, camera, photos, reader, etc). Personally I can't stand them, and they are easy enough to remove.
I also highly recommend Win8.1 + Update 1. It makes it easier to deal with the Metro settings screens since you now get Minimize / Close buttons in the corner and they show up on the task bar. Honestly, it is what Win8 should have been released as.
I have a windows Xp and IE was not working I went to local tech they clean my computer and fix IE after 2 days I was facing the same issue. then I searched google and found http://www.isupportmart.com. they helped me to fix this problem and now it is working as like a brand new computer.
This is a pretty silly article. Not the least because, contrary to the headline, Microsoft DID NOT release/issue a patch for WINDOWS XP! — They HAD to patch Internet Explorer 8 because it's still the default browser on Windows 2003 (which itself doesn't EoL until next year and which also happens to have a LOT in common with XP under the hood). So, since they already HAD the patch for IE8 anyway, all they ended up doing was letting people who still have XP, also have access to that patch. It didn't cost them anything more than whatever expense there is in telling the Windows Update servers that this patch can also be downloaded by XP users and the amount of negative-PR they avoided by simply setting that switch FAR outweighed the insignificant effort / costs, so they went ahead and let it out. If the bug had been XP-specific, I doubt you would have seen anything from them, but because it's an INTERNET EXPLORER bug, and since they had to create this exact patch anyway, it would have been even more idiotic to withhold it… (esp since it almost certainly wouldn't have taken a week for someone to collect the patch from Win2k3 and make it available on BitTorrent anyway….)
I'm not at all convinced that it didn't cost them more. While I haven't seen the source code to IE, I do know that application software can ask the O/S to identify itself (because I've done that myself).
The best software solution for Win7/8 might not be supported by XP. But considering the importance of IE to MS, I would expect MS to use the best solution for Win7/8 and then write additional code to use the best solution for XP.
Of course, this assume that there's a "best" Win7/8 solution that won't work in XP. I'm not assuming that is the case. I'm saying, without knowing details about IE's internal design, that it might be so. If it is so, then the cost isn't the same.
Microsoft could actually come out ahead if they were to offer a paid subscription for a small fee to maintain security updates for XP. Here is a very interesting article about how Microsoft is missing an opportunity to make billions of dollars on XP users.
The problem there is that the much of the XP market either doesn't understand the need for security or can't afford fee. The latter group includes people who received their computer as a donation.
While Bill Gates' involvement in Microsoft is limited, as he appears to be trying to fully retire, he is still one of the founders and is the name most closely associated with Microsoft. The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is concerned about world health, etc. These XP machines are part of that battle on the side of the Gates'
Looking back at your solution, Microsoft could ask the charitable organizations active in Africa to help pay for security updates. That would lead to negotiations. In one case, it's Bill Gates on one side and Microsoft on the other… Such a face-off wouldn't be good for either party.
Having said that, I still think your post deserves a thumbs up for proposing a creative solution to the problem.
I frankly think that one of the reasons for Microsoft's change in attitude is what one of their co-founders is doing these days.
Trent Larson Larson
Look, XP still commands 26 percent of the windows OS market. It's used big time in third world markets and they cannot afford to upgrade their hardware. If this exploit was to run loose it would be a public relations nightmare. MS biggest issue is that there are hundreds of millions still using XP. Just remember, new XP systems were still being shipped less then 6 years ago. For those, they expect a product life cycle more then 6 years.
David King
Wow.. this article is… ridiculous? "But alas, instead of growing some balls and riding out the zero-day wave, Microsoft caved and issued a fix for Windows XP," wow… what is your personal vendetta against Windows XP?
Windows XP is still a great Operating System. Legacy Systems are not deprecated yet, and I'm not sure where you get off writing an article that's insulting Microsoft for supporting their own product.
You describe support for Windows XP as ' terrifying ', yet that is exactly what Microsoft should be doing, I don't care if this OS is two or three major releases behind, it is still great.
I'm starting to question why I even read some of the articles on this site anymore — do you guys actually care about technology or do you want to just keep writing vague Xbox One articles to get some traffic? I would love to see this article ( with the same opinion and stance ) written more calmly. It seems like someone almost went on an angry rant here.
Technically they updated an application that runs on XP. The author acts as if future security updates for versions of Word should be coded so that they don't run on XP. I'm sure that's possible, because Microsoft could just put the same people on that task that they use to make sure prior versions of WordPerfect won't run on new versions of Windows. But in reality they issued a security update for IE, including older versions that run on XP.
People seem to think XP just stopped working. But you can still use it, just use an av and ad block.
There's a lot less security built into XP, and a number of software products don't offer the same security protections when running under XP.
How is that Microsofts fault?
Old Ford cars don't have airbags so are less safe – should Ford have to add airbags in to an older model?
Who said it was anyone's fault? I was just correcting the incorrect information you posted. Continuing to use XP is irresponsible and cannot be fixed my merely using an antivirus product and ad blocker.
Why shouldn't Microsoft fix problems that continue to plague Windows XP? After all, they are just fixing problems(defects) that Microsoft sold to XP users. If they do not want to continue to support XP along with Windows 7 and Windows 8, they should offer an XP to Windows 7 upgrade package to XP users for free, or for $10 dollars at most.
"Yes, tardy governments and IT administrators can breathe a little easier for a little bit longer, and yes, your mom and dad are yet again safe to use their old Windows XP
beige box."
I agree with the position as it relates to tardy governments (at least in developed nations) and IT departments. Security on XP is inherently weak. One reason is for this is the same reason some consumer versions of Linux prevent logging in as root but instead require sudo. Users run as administrators because it makes day-to-day tasks easier and/or they simply don't know better.
A well run IT department wouldn't have allowed normal users to log in as administrators anyway. But then, a well run IT department should have gone to Windows 7 for client boxes by now.
"Mom and dad" are a problem. They aren't likely to understand why they need to change. (One solution, tried in my family for family members who don't understand security, is to migrate them to Ubuntu.)
Another issue can loosely be called "Africa" which isn't even mentioned in the above article. There are a lot of used systems in Africa that can't run Win 7 and the owners of said systems aren't even close to having the funds to purchase a better computer. (Of course, there's still the Ubuntu or other Linux dist. solution but that requires a fair amount of work by someone who understands how to do the work.)
We could take the position of "too bad, so sad." The problem is that hijacked computers get used by criminals. One way hijacked computers get used is as "floating" kiddie p*rn servers.
As a result, as I'm rather strongly against the exploitation of children, I strongly disagree with the editorial.
I can think of a two reasons why MS changed their mind.
1. Bill and Melinda Gates. They still care about what Bill Gates thinks and Bill Gates cares about poor people in Africa.
2. DHS issued an advisory for everyone to stop using IE 6-11. This means migrate to Firefox or Chrome. That is not in Microsoft's best interests. MS makes money from IE (advertising revenue).
There could well be more.
You all realize that IE should not be part of an OS, right? Then why not patch the browser? And yes, it happens to be integrated deep into xp, so what?
But the problem is even if you wanted to upgrade your OS to a newer one, you would still have the problem of needing more memory to run the newer OS like Windows 8, or even Windows 7. So they get you either way.
Leandro Páez
when it comes down to it, what constitutes "proximity"? If a similar zero-day vulnerability is discovered a week from now, will Microsoft fix it? How about a month from now? Or a year?
Are you really kidding me?
someone with 2 or more neurons know than that "proximity" is from April 8, thus 3 weeks obviously was at this proximity range
This only associates the bug with internet explorer. It may be a stupid question but does this imply that it is safe to use chrome or firefox on XP? If not what makes it unsafe?
Or WinXP users can simply use FireFox, which is still developed and supported, or a massive array of numerous alternatives to IE.
I moved over to Mint Linux. Does all I want, especially with Firefox for internet and Thunderbird for email, which I already used in XP.


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Enabling HDMI output via Linux Kernel Module
We have a need, where I work, to retrieve the EDID information from the monitor(s) before installing/using the video drivers. Since we support multiple video cards, we can't always assume that it will be an NVIDIA card installed on the machine.
I've written a kernel module that will, using I2C bit-banging on the PCI bus, probe for monitor EDID information on any video device (on board and/or video cards) detected on the system. We've recently moved to the NVIDIA GeForce N220GT card which has 3 outputs (VGA/DVI/HDMI). I've modified my kernel module to read the EDID from the HDMI port and am successful most of the time. However sometimes this is problematic. I've listed the scenarios below:
Monitor connected to HDMI only - able to read EDID
Monitor connected to VGA only - able to read EDID
Monitor connected to DVI only - able to read EDID
Monitor connected to VGA and DVI - able to read EDID from both monitors
Monitor connected to VGA and HDMI - able to read EDID from VGA monitor only (HDMI fails)
Monitor connected to DVI and HDMI - able to read EDID from DVI monitor only (HDMI fails)
Monitor connected to VGA, DVI and HDMI - able to read EDID from VGA and DVI monitors only (HDMI fails)
Now what I seem to notice is that the only time the boot up POST messages will go the HDMI output is when there is no other monitors connected to the NVIDIA card. It gives me the impression that if the HDMI output is the only one with a monitor connected to it, it will work properly since the output was enabled. Any time a monitor is connected to the other outputs on the card, it will POST to that monitor and thus it seems that the HDMI output is not enabled on the card.
My question is:
What registers do I need to read/write via the PCI bus on the NVIDIA card to enable the HDMI output in order to retrieve the monitor EDID information from that output?
Thanks in advance for any help.
P.S. -> Second posting, first one might be under wrong forum (GTX 220 Cards).
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A pump driven by the radiation energy of the sun, wherein the radiation energy is converted into mechanical energy by means of a liquid evaporated by the effect of the radiation heat. The pump has a face that absorbs radiation and a casing part whose inside space is divided into two parts by means of a flexible and elastic membrane that can be moved back and forth. One of the parts constitutes the intake space into which the liquid to be pumped is sucked during the intake phase while the membrane moves so that the intake space becomes larger. The intake space is connected to an intake opening provided with a valve, which valve permits flow only into the intake space, and to an exhaust opening provided with another valve, which other valve permits flow only out of the intake space. A tightly sealed evaporation space, which contains evaporable liquid, is placed between the casing and the membrane against the membrane, whereby the vapor pressure of the evaporable liquid directly moves the membrane.
1. In a thermal pumping unit having a casing divided into two parts by an elastic membrane, one part containing a temperature sensitive evaporating-condensing fluid and the other part being a pumping space with intake and exhaust valves, the improvement of the part of the casing containing the temperature sensitive evaporating-condensing fluid being transparent to thermal radiation from the sun with the membrane having a heat absorbing surface on the side towards the transparent part of the casing such that the temperature sensitive evaporating-condensing fluid is completely subject to heat by direct and radiant sources and characterized by the addition of a cooling means, said cooling means having an input and an output, said cooling means condensing the evaporating-condensing fluid, and by the addition of a second substantially identical thermal pumping unit complete with cooling means, the exhaust valve of the first thermal pumping unit being connected to the input of said cooling means of the second thermal pumping unit and the exhaust valve of the second thermal pumping unit being connected to the input of said cooling means of the first thermal pumping unit, the matter being pumped by each unit cooling the evaporating-condensing fluid of the other unit speeding the cycling time of the thermal pumping units and substantially alternate the evaporating and condensing of their evaporating-condensing fluids.
2. The thermal pumping device of claim 1 characterized in that the intake valves of the first and second thermal pumping units are connected together to a common intake pipe and in that the output of the two cooling means are connected together to a common exhaust pipe.
3. In a thermal pumping unit having a casing divided into two parts by an elastic membrane, one part containing a temperature sensitive evaporating-condensing fluid and the other part being a pumping space with intake and exhaust valves, the improvement of the part of the casing containing the temperature sensitive evaporating-condensing fluid being transparent to the thermal radiation for direction substantially towards the sun, the membrane having a heat absorbing surface on the side facing the transparent part of the casing and by the addition of a second transparent casing part, said transparent casing part being attached to the casing between the transparent casing part and the membrane, said second transparent casing and the transparent casing forming a cooling space, and means attached to said cooling space for cooling the evaporating-condensing fluid when the fluid is substantially evaporated, the transparent casing part and heat absorbing membrane causing the evaporating-condensing fluid to be subject to direct and indirect thermal radiation and said cooling means in said cooling space speeding the cycling time of the thermal pumping unit.
4. The structure of claim 3 characterized by the addition of a second improved thermal pumping unit and wherein the means attached to said cooling space for cooling the evaporating-condensing fluid of the first thermal pumping unit is a connection to the exhaust of the pumping space of the first pumping unit and wherein the means attached to said cooling space for cooling the evaporating-condensing fluid of the second thermal pumping unit is a connection to the exhaust of the pumping space of the second pumping unit whereby the matter pumped by the first thermal pumping unit cools the evaporating-condensing fluid of the second thermal pumping unit and the matter pumped by the second thermal pumping unit cools the evaporating-condensing fluid of the first thermal pumping unit to speed the cycling times of the pumping units, respectively.
The subject of the present invention is a pump driven by the radiation energy of the sun, wherein the radiation energy is converted into mechanical energy by means of a liquid evaporated by the effect of the radiation heat and which pump has a face that absorbs radiation and a casing part whose inside space is divided into two parts by means of a flexible and elastic membrane that can be moved back and forth, one of which parts constitutes the intake space, into which the liquid to be pumped is sucked during the intake phase while the membrane moves so that the intake space becomes larger and which intake space is connected to an intake opening provided with a valve, which valve permits flow only into the intake space, and to an exhaust opening provided with another valve, which other valve permits flow only out of the intake space.
Pumping arrangements operating by means of solar energy are previously known in which the solar energy is first converted into electricity, which further drives a normal pump. On the other hand, pumps are known in which the vapour produces the movement operating the pump by means of a piston; the generation of vapour may in such a case also be accomplished by heating by radiation of the sun. An apparatus is also known in which a piston movable by means of vapour pushes a liquid underneath the piston, the flow of said liquid bulging the membrane in the system. The back and forth movement of the membrane produces suction of water from the well. A drawback of the above solutions is the complicated and expensive construction of the apparatuses.
The pump in accordance with the invention is characterized in that a tightly sealed evaporation space, which contains evaporable liquid, is placed between the casing and the membrane against the membrane, whereby the vapour pressure of the evaporable liquid directly moves the membrane. According to an embodiment, the outer cover of the device is transparent in respect of the space containing the evaporable liquid so as to permit entrance of solar radiation and, on the one hand, the surface and colour of the elastic membrane that divides the device into two spaces is such that it receives radiation well, and, on the other hand, the membrane is heat-insulating.
An advantage as compared with the known solutions is the simple construction and, consequently, low production costs of the apparatus.
The invention will be described in more detail below with reference to the attached figures, wherein
FIG. 1 is a sectional side view of one embodiment of the pump in accordance with the invention,
FIG. 2 is a schematical sectional side view of a pump in accordance with the invention in which two units in accordance with FIG. 1 have been joined together,
FIG. 3 is a side view of another embodiment of a pump in accordance with the invention partly in section,
FIG. 4 is a side view of a pump in which two units in accordance with FIG. 3 have been joined together and fitted into a support frame,
FIG. 5 is a front view of the pump shown in FIG. 4,
FIG. 6 is an enlarged-scale view of detail X in FIG. 5,
FIG. 7 is a side view of the detail shown in FIG. 6,
FIG. 8 is a perspective view of a further embodiment of the invention,
FIG. 9 is an end view of an embodiment of the invention,
FIG. 10 is a view of the pump of FIG. 9 as viewed from the top,
FIG. 11 is a sectional view of one of the units of the pump shown in FIGS. 9 and 10 on an enlarged scale,
FIG. 12 shows a solution alternative to that shown in FIG. 11,
FIG. 13 shows the unit of FIG. 12 in the second phase,
FIG. 14 is a schematical view of a solution for shifting the shade used in the pump, and
FIG. 15 is a schematical view of an alternative for shifting the shade.
FIG. 1 shows a pump unit which consists of a transparent upper part 10 of the outer casing, a lower part 2 of the casing, and a membrane 3, which are connected to each other by means of fastening means 4. The lower part 2 of the casing is connected to an intake opening and a pressure opening 6 with valves 7 and 8 of the back-stop type in these openings. In the space 28 between the casing 10 and the membrane 3 there is liquid 9. The pump operates as follows: The intake opening 5 is by means of a pipe connected to the medium to be pumped, and the pressure opening is connected to the object of use. Through the casing 10, the sun heats the membrane, which absorbs radiation to a high extent, whereby a considerable proportion of the radiation is recovered in the form of heating of the membrane surface. From the surface of the membrane the heat is transferred into the liquid 9, which starts evaporating. The evaporation goes on until the membrane has been pressed down against the casing 2. When the membrane 3 goes down, it empties the space 29 between the membrane and the casing 2 through the exhaust opening 6 and the valve 8, while the valve 7 in the intake opening 5 is closed. In the night-time the outer air cools the evaporated liquid 9 through the casing 10 and the vapour starts condensing into liquid. Then the membrane 3 starts rising and, when rising, sucks the medium to be pumped through the opening 5 and the valve 7 into the lower space 29. The membrane goes on rising until all the liquid 9 has again been condensed. The valve 8 of the pressure opening 6 remains closed by the effect of the suction. As the cooling required by the pump takes place during the night. The time of the cycle of operation is 24 hours.
FIG. 2 shows an embodiment in which the units have been joined together in pairs and supplemented with the following components: Transparent casting 1 and seal 11, intake opening 12, exhaust opening 13, valves 14 and 15, suction pipe 16 connecting the intake openings, intermediate pipes 17, and pipe 18 connecting the pressure openings. The casing 10 has the shape of a ball segment and it is fitted above the upper part 1 of the casing, at a distance from same. The space between the outer upper casing 10 and the inner upper casing 1 is sealed by means of a seal 11. The outer upper casing has an intake opening 12 provided with a valve 14 and an exhaust opening 13 provided with a valve 15.
The intake pipe 16 passes to the intake openings 5 of both units. The pressure opening 6 of each unit is connected to the intake opening 12 of the other unit by means of intermediate pipes 17. The exhaust openings of both units are connected to the exhaust pipe 18.
In this embodiment the operation of each pumping unit 21 and 22 takes place in principle in the same way as in an individual unit. The radiation of the sun passes through transparent casings 10 and 1 to heat membrane 3 and the liquid thereon. As the liquid evaporates the membrane 3 is pressed downwards towards the casing 2, forcing the medium being pumped through the exhaust opening of the unit. The difference is that instead of relying on the cooling of the night to condense the liquid, the medium pumped by one pumping unit cools the liquid of the other; the water pumped by one unit passes through the pressure opening 6 of the unit concerned into the space 30 between the upper casing 10 and the casing 1 of the other unit while performing cooling, whereby the suction phase occurs in this unit at the same time as the other unit is in the pressure phase. The pair of pumps can therefore operate relatively continuously at a rate depending on the radiation power of the sun. The suction and pressure phases of the pumping units 21 and 22 follow each other so that when one unit is in the pressure phase, the other one is in the suction phase.
FIG. 3 shows a pump unit similar to a single pumping unit of FIG. 2 which is designed so that the centre parts of the upper and lower casings of the ball-segment shaped unit shown in FIG. 2 are pressed towards each other and the centre parts of the casings are fastened to each other by fastening means, e.g. bolt 19, whereby the spaces between the casings and the membrane are annular, the pumping units have a general doughnut shape--See FIGS. 4 and 5. In this way the unit can be made more rigid than the units shown in FIGS. 1 and 2. The valving 5, 6, 13 and 14 remains the same as in the units of FIG. 2. The pump unit of FIG. 3 operates similarly to the pump units of FIG. 2. The only difference is that the membrane 3 is supported in its center. This support reduces the relative motion of membrane 3.
FIGS. 4 and 5 show a construction in which two units 21 and 22 in accordance with FIG. 3 have been fastened to a frame plate 20. The device of these figures utilizes the relative shifting mass of the pumping units to increase the efficiency of the device by reorienting the pumping units so that they are alternately exposed to the radiation of the sun. (This is to be contrasted with the relatively simultaneous exposure of the device of FIG. 2.) The units 21 and 22 are fastened to the plate 20 so that the outer transparent casings 1 and 10 of one unit are on the same side of the plate as the lower casing 2 of the other unit. The plate 20 is mounted to the support frame 24 on shafts 23 and 23' so that the plate can rotate around its axis of rotation passing symmetrically between the units 21 and 22. One of the shafts 23 is provided with a ratchet wheel 25, which operates jointly with an arrester 27 loaded by a drawing spring 26. The units 21-22 are connected to each other by means of valves and conduits (not shown) in accordance with the principle of FIG. 2, compensating for the fact that in FIGS. 4 and 5 the pumping units face in opposing, not similar, directions. This compensation can be understood by mentally flipping one of the pumping units of FIG. 2 while keeping all fluid connections intact.
The intake pipe 16 is passed through one shaft and the exhaust pipe 18 through the other shaft.
The device is place towards the radiation A of the sun so that the upper casing 10 of the unit 22 in the lower position is facing towards the sun and the upper casing 10 of the unit 21 in the upper position is facing away from the sun. When the evaporating liquid in unit 22 now, by means of the membrane 3, presses water into the cooling space between the casings 10 and 1 in the unit 21, the evaporable liquid in the unit 21 is cooled and condensed, whereby the unit 21 comes into the suction phase. During the suction phase its weight increases when the intake space is filled with the liquid to be pumped. The arrester 27, however, prevents the unit 21 from going down until the momentum produced by its weight exceeds the momentum of the spring force 26. Then the device rotates in the direction of the arrow B and the unit 21 goes down and the unit 22 goes up and, in its turn, comes into the suction phase. By means of the rotary movement, it is achieved that the surface collecting the radiation in the unit in the cooling and suction phase is directed away from the sun and the cooling is therefore more efficient.
FIG. 8 illustrates a further alternative construction. The casing parts 1, 2, and 10 are made of corrugated sheet, casings 1 and 10 transparent. The sheets 2 and 10 are fitted against each other so that spaces divided by the membrane 3 remain between their wave tops. The sheets 1 and 10 are placed one above the other at a distance from each other so that a space 30 remains between them for the cooling water. The device is divided longitudinally into two parts and the parts are connected by means of conduits (not shown in the figure) to each other by means of a conduit system in accordance with the principle of FIG. 2. The pumping units of FIG. 8 may be connected together in pairs with the intake 16 and exhaust 18 pipes connected, respectively. These pairs of pumping units would then function in parallel. With modifications obvious to one skilled in the art the pumping units could be connected in other ways also. For example, the ten pumping units shown in FIG. 8 could be connected with a bank of five pumping units with parallel connected valves 5, 6, 14 and 15, respectively, substituted for pump unit 21 in FIG. 2 and another bank of five pumping units with parallel connected valves 5, 6, 14 and 15, respectively, substituted for pumping unit 22 in FIG. 2. The construction is highly simple to manufacture, and the size of the device may be selected in accordance with the requirement.
When a transparent upper casing 10 is used, its material must be well penetrable to the solar heat radiation. Moreover, it must be durable, and its properties of resistance to impacts, pressure, and heat as well as its chemical durability must be suitable. The manufacturing technique and the material cost also impose their requirements. Suitable casing materials are, e.g., polymethylacrylate and polycarbonate, which are transparent. The former stands sunshine very well, in the latter one brittleness and colour changes occur to some extent.
The membrane absorbing the solar radiation shall be elastic so that its form adjusts itself to changes in pressure, and it shall have a good ability to absorb radiation. Thus, the most appropriate colour of the membrane is black. Moreover, the membrane shall insulate heat so that the absorbed heat is not transferred into the water space underneath the membrane. A closed-cell structure functions well as an insulator. The material shall be chemically resistant to the liquid that is used as the evaporable substance. Moreover, it shall function as a seal so that the evaporating substance cannot penetrate through it even as vapour. Resistance to radiation is also required. One suitable membrane material is the black membrane supplied by Messrs. Ikas Oy under the name "Armaflex". The material stands temperatures of -40� to +85� C. An appropriate thickness of the membrane is, e.g., 3 to 6 mm. Another suitable alternative is a 1 to 2 mm thick nitrile rubber with some heat-insulating material underneath.
As evaporable substance it is possible to use, e.g., hydrocarbons, such as pentane, hexane or heptane. Other readily evaporable liquids with appropriate chemical properties may also be used. The most important thing is that the substance has a sufficient vapour pressure at the temperatures produced by the radiation and that it, on the other hand, when it cools, condenses easily back into liquid.
The invention is not restricted to the above embodiments only, but it may show even considerable variability within the scope of the patent claims. As the surface absorbing heat it is also possible to use the inner upper casing 1, in stead of the membrane. Then, the same transparent material is not used in the casing 1 as in casing 10, but a material that absorbs the heat radiation and passes the heat through itself into the vapour space between the casing 1 and the membrane 3. An appropriate material is some metal, whereby the upper surface of the casing 1 has been treated black. Then the membrane 3 no longer has to be heat-absorbing, but it only functions as an insulation and prevents the transfer of heat from the vapour space into the water space underneath the membrane. Then it is easier to arrange the cooling of the evaporated liquid than in an embodiment in which both upper casings 1 and 10 are transparent.
An embodiment provided with a cooling space, in which two units have been joined together in accordance with FIG. 2, can also be accomplished in the way shown in FIGS. 9 to 11. In stead of a space between two casings, it is also possible to use one or several cooling pipes 30 of circular or polygonal mantle face fitted into the evaporation space 28 as the cooling space. Then it is not necessary to have two pressure-resistant upper casings, so that the construction is less expensive. In the construction in accordance with FIGS. 9 to 11, the face absorbing radiation consists of the upper part 10 of the outer casing, which is made of black metal sheet. If desired, it is possible to provide the outer casing 10 with an additional transparent outer casing, lying above the outer casing 10 (not shown in the figure), which improves the ratio of recovery of the radiation. This additional casing is, however, not necessary. In this alternative the transparent casing does not have to be pressure-resistant, so that in stead of acrylic it is also possible to use glass, whose cost is lower.
If a black metal sheet casing is used, a layer of dry vapour tends to be formed on the surface of the casing which acts as an insulation and retards the transfer of heat from the sheet to the liquid, making the operation of the pump thereby slower. In the construction in accordance with FIGS. 9 to 11, this problem has been solved by on the inside surface of the outer casing 10 fitting lamellas 31 which form troughs opening upwards between the casing and the lamella. When the vapour in the evaporation space 28 starts condensing into liquid, liquid is assembled in the troughs formed by the lamellas, where the condensed liquid is in contact with the outer casing thereby preventing the formation of an insulating vapour layer on the inside surface of the casing. As an alternative to the solution of FIG. 11, in which the cooling water pipes have been fitted onto the lamellas, the walls of the troughs can be made hollow and the cooling water may be circulated inside the trough walls.
In the construction of FIGS. 9 to 11, two lengthy components 21 and 22 with circular cross-sections have been used as pump units. In this construction the shape of the evaporation space is advantageous in view of the pressure and the vacuum, and it is possible to use relatively thin wall thicknesses, which results in low cost of the construction. The membrane itself is also subject to little strain in this construction. It is easy to select any desired magnitude of the area by just selecting units of appropriate length. Two such units are fitted into the frame 40 so that the upper parts 10 of the casings are directed towards the radiation A.
Problems may also be caused by constant heating effect of the sun, as a result of which the temperature in the evaporation space remains high and no condensation can take place. This problem, however, can be resolved by minor modifications of the pumping units. These modifications include a heat insulating wall 32 (FIGS. 12 and 13), a fluidic operated shutter 36 (FIG. 14) and a weight operated shutter 49 (FIG. 15). Other modifications would be obvious to one skilled in the art. For simplicity of illustration no valves, conduits or detail of integral construction as shown in these figures. FIGS. 12 and 13 disclose a single pumping unit similar to a single unit 21 or 22 in FIG. 2 of this application. FIGS. 14 and 15 disclose pairs of pumping units. All of these units are connected in pairs in accord with the principle of FIG. 2 (with or without water cooling.). In the construction of FIGS. 12 and 13 the high temperature problem has been solved by in the evaporation space 28 placing two heat-insulating partition walls 32. The top surface of the partition walls 32 is heat absorbing. The walls 32 are fitted at a distance from the outer casing 10 so that the lower edges of the walls join the connection point between the casings 10 and 2 and the upper edges are apart from the casings. Then, between the walls 32 and the upper outer casing 10, troughs are formed that are closed at the bottom and open at the top. The cooling pipes 30 are fitted at the opening between the walls 32 in the upper part of the evaporation space 28. When condensed the fluid is between the transparent outer casing 10 and the heat insulating wall 32, the fluid is evaporated by direct radiation and through the heat absorbing top surface of wall 32. When evaporated the fluid is in space 28--and not subject to significant radiation due to wall 32. Water running through pipes 30 cools and condenses the liquid (similar to the water between casing 10 and 1 in FIG. 2). In FIG. 12, the cooling phase has just started, whereby vapour starts condensing and the condensed liquid is assembled down on the membrane 3 and is not heated by the solar radiation. At the end of the suction phase (FIG. 13) the water that has risen into the intake space 29 presses the membrane 3 up, whereby the condensed liquid flows into the troughs between the partition walls 32 and the outer casing 10. In the troughs the radiation of the sun again starts heating the liquid, whereby it evaporates and the next phase of the pump begins.
The heating effect of the sun during the cooling phase may also be prevented by, in stead of the pivoting construction in accordance with FIGS. 4 to 7, using "sun shades" pivoting on a lever construction. In order to move the shade, it is possible to use either the pressure of the evaporating liquid or the difference in weight of full and empty pump unit.
FIG. 14 shows a solution in which the pressure of the evaporating liquid is utilized. The evaporation spaces of both pump units 21 and 22 are by means of pipes 32 connected to bellows means 34 or equivalent, between which a lever system 35 or equivalent is fitted. The lever system is additionally connected to a shade 36. In the left unit 21 the pressure phase has just ended, but the cooling has not yet started. Then, by the effect of the temperature, the vapour pressure tends to rise further. This increase in pressure can be utilized for moving the shade so that, via the conduit 33, the vapour bulges the left bellows 34, which push the end of the lever system 35 to the right in front of the bellows. By means of a suitable transmission, the other end of the lever can then be made to pull the shade 36 to the left, above the unit 21. In this way the solar radiation no longer affects the unit 21 and the vapour can be made to condense more rapidly in its evaporation space.
In FIG. 15 a solution is shown in which change in the weight of the pump is used for adjusting the position of the shade. The device comprises two pump units 21 and 22. The left unit 21 is supported from underneath by a spring 37, which lifts the empty unit to the upper position and is compressed when the unit is filled with the liquid to be pumped. Alongside the pump, an upper-position catch 38 and a lower-position catch 39 are fitted. The spring 40 presses the upper-position catch 38 to the right towards the pump, and correspondingly the spring 41 presses the lower-position catch to the right. An angular lever 43 is, by means of an articulated joint 42, pivotably fastened to the edge of the pump unit 21. The upper end of the angular lever is pivotably fastened to the shifting rod 45 by means of an articulated joint 44 fitted to the slide 46, which shifting rod can move in the horizontal position back and forth. Several shade levers 48 are pivotably fastened to the shifting rod by means of articulated joints 47, the other ends of said shade levers being by means of rigid joints fastened to the slats 49 of the shade. There is a shade on each unit, and their slats 49 are fastened to the shade levers 48 so that, when the shade above one unit is closed to solar radiation A, the other shade is open. The joint between the shade levers 48 and the shade slats 49 is, moreover, e.g. by means of a slide, arranged so that the levers 48 can pivot when the shifting rod 45 moves in the horizontal position. In the phase shown in FIG. 15, the shade of the left unit 21 is open and that of the right unit 22 closed. The left unit is just about to be emptied. When it is emptied further, its weight becomes so much lighter that the catch 39 of the lower position is released and the unit rises to the upper position, which is shown in the figure by dotted lines. When rising to the upper position, the pump unit pivots the angular lever 43 to the right, whereby the shifting rod 45 moves to the right. The upper ends of the shade levers 48 are at the same time pivoted to the right and, when the levers pivot, at the same time the slats of both shades are also pivoted. Thus, then the left shade is closed and the right shade is correspondingly opened. These positions are shown in the figure by means of dotted lines.
A highly simple and inexpensive pump can be accomplished by using one pump unit that has a metal casing as well as mere air cooling. In providing the shade it is then possible to use the principle shown in FIG. 14, or that shown in FIG. 15.
The choice of the cooling alternative depends on the circumstances and on the suction height required. The more efficiently the cooling takes place, the higher is the suction height that can be achieved.
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Titan A.E. 2000
A young man learns that he has to find a hidden Earth ship before an enemy alien species does in order to secure the survival of humanity...
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A cracking little cartoon from the animation team behind An American Tail and The Land Before Time, this space-themed toon combines traditional cell animation with GCI to great effect. Fast moving and with a well-developed script, this opens with the destruction of Planet Earth and the splitting up of a father (Ron Perlman) and son (Matt Damon). Damon's character is seemingly condemned to a life of servitude as a second class citizen on a far flung planet until two humans (Drew Barrymore and Ken Hudson Campbell) and their two crew (who'd have guessed it? They're a couple of humorous animal sidekicks - Janeane Garafolo and John Leguizamo - marks deducted for that cliche) invite him on a mission to locate Titan A.E. (as in After Earth). It's the project Damon's scientist father was working on to ensure that the human race have the capability to start again on a new planet and the ring Damon was given on their last meeting is the key to the whole shebang. Dazzling visuals and an attempt to at least bring something new and fresh to the genre deserves kudos. George Lucas take note.
Titan A.E. had been sitting next to our dvd player for quite a while and none of us in the apartment has enough interest or patience to put it into the action again. I had never watched it before so finally I decide maybe this dvd need a little bit warm up otherwise it will break a bone if someone would watch it 50 years later. Here we go...
The classic 2D and new 3D combined animation still looked nicely smooth after it was made 3 years ago. The voice was good too and it had a exciting heavy-metal style soudtrack. But due to the insipid story line everything else seemed to lack of real inspiration. People expect to see more stuff other than just a mission called "save the earth" today (and probably 3 years ago too). After all, I enjoyed wathing it this time but I don't think I will come back any more. That dvd can have peace and sleep forever now.
A great piece of animation! I loved the characters and the story.
Titan A.E. doesn't have the best animation in town but it does have a solid story about a boy who grows up with a mission to save the entire human race from extinction. The action is only adequate but the full fledged story moves at a decent enough pace. The dialogue isn't very impressive either but the colorful characters keep your attention firmly planted in the unfolding events. All in all this isn't an animation masterwork but it is a nice piece worthy of a sunday evening's rental if your in the mood for "cartoons". ;) Cheers!
Animated sci-fi film is too kiddish and too cliched.
"The movie Star Wars fans have been waiting for!" That was the critique on the front of the DVD. I looooooooooooove Star Wars I mean there should be a 12 step for people like me, but I did not like this movie. Maybe it was the 2D against the 3D a little reminicent of oh I don't know...Roger Rabbit!! Anyway, I couldn't get into it. The main character reminded me of a Matt Damon looking Keanu Reeves and I just couldn't take it. Sorry I'm sooooo sorry.
Titan A.E.
As I mentioned this animation movie came and went without much fanfair in 2000. Which is a real shame. As an adiv Sci-Fi fan this really is a great movie. It has many of the typical elements that I like in a great story. There is mystery, there is a good hero, a double cross, and lots of space fighting.
And if you didn't notice, Matt Damon, Drew Barymore, and Bill Pullman are three of the main character voices. It's been a while since I've actually watched this movie but it's elements all still stick with me even today. Humanity has had it's planet blown up by the Dreg who for whatever reason don't like humans. With Earth no more, those humans who are left across the galaxey are seen as second class citizens and in many cases slave like labor.
Enter our hero who's father was part of a project, the Titan project, to find humans a new home. His father took off in the titan to hide it from the Dreg just as the earth blew up. Now it's up to our hero to find his father legacy with a map only he has. In the end they are chased by the Dreg and have a major climactic battle in space. It's really pretty awesome stuff. I think I'm going to need to add it to my Blockbuster Queue.
Solid story with some great animation to back it up. Nothing to dislike here, but nothing great, either.


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Duluth police have found a 12-year-old boy who was missing since Thursday.
Lyrik James Schmelz was found at around 10:20 p.m. Saturday inside an apartment on the 600 block of E. 1st Street. Police said he was safe and with a family member.
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