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PS4 production yields are high, but Xbox One might be in trouble for release day
- By Grant Brunner on September 12, 2013 at 3:59 pm
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The PS4 is launching in North America in just over two months, and the Xbox One isn't far behind it. Pre-orders are getting harder and harder to find, but news is bubbling up suggesting that the PS4 will not face the same kind of production issues that plagued the launch of the Wii back in 2006. On the other hand, the Xbox One might not be faring quite as well during the run-up to its launch day.
Jack Tretton, President and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment of America, took a moment to sit down with Fox Business, and discuss the upcoming launch of the PS4. While he declines to dive deep into the exact numbers, Tretton claims that the PS4's production yields are "phenomenal." At this point all we really know is that the PS4 already has over a million pre-orders, and Sony plans on having plenty of stock on hand for retailers at launch.
While it seems rather likely that the PS4 will sell out at launch, the supply chain doesn't seem to be much of a problem. Sony isn't launching in Japan until February of 2014, so North America and Europe should have plenty of units available for purchase. If you haven't already secured your pre-order, it looks like you should be able to pick up a PS4 without much of a hassle around launch day. The days of consoles selling for two-to-three times their face value on eBay might just be behind us now.
However, rumor has it that the Xbox One's production isn't going quite so smoothly. Reports came in recently from Asia that Microsoft is lowering its shipment forecast for the fourth quarter. Supposedly, the estimated seven million units has slipped to 6.2 million. The built-in Blu-ray drive and the Kinect's camera module are reportedly both the cause of the production problems, so there's no real indication that the custom APU is causing the production slowdowns.
The huge hit Microsoft took for its faulty Xbox 360 models is still fresh in everyone's minds, so don't expect history to repeat itself. The Xbox One is huge and bulky for one reason: cooling. In fact, the cooling system in the new console is effective enough to persuade the engineering team to actually boost the CPU's speed by 10%. Even if the Xbox One stumbles a bit out of the gate, Microsoft learned its lesson about the necessity of proper cooling and quality control. In spite of the XBOne's lengthy list of issues, you don't need to worry about your day one edition catching a bad case of the red ring.
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So rumor of a rumor, and the Blu-ray rumor was put to rest a long time ago, we've already seen that the first shipments are loaded up for Xbox One, and Phil Spencer said people will be able to go into a store and buy an Xbox One off the shelf. Microsoft intentionally held back stock to accomplish this.
I think both consoles will sell out this year obviously, next year will be the real tell. Really surprising that Sony cut out their home country all together this year.
They want to focus on markets that they've lost presence in. The U.S. is one of them. That isn't to say they did poorly or anything, but compared to the PS2 vs Xbox generation, they lost a lot more of the pie this time around.
It'll disappoint the Japanese consumers, but Sony knows with the Wii U also failing to appeal to the Japanese, and the Xbox brand never doing well there in the first place, they can afford to focus on bolstering their presence in other markets first.
Kind of like the Obama campaign — he knew he would get the votes from the African-American demographic so he focused on winning votes from the others.
Obama… Don't you mean O-bomb-ya?
I see the uninformed, credulous, rumor followers are out in full force this month…
O-bomb-ya… Don't you mean OWE-bomb-ya?
O-bomb the O-gas-ya. Sounds like true justice to me, but won't help the people at all, so I'm on the fence with this one. There is no right way for us to proceed here. The whole region has got issues that they are creating themselves due to the stone age religious stuff. Only they can sort that out with education. But it takes a long time, because the religion wants to keep everyone dumb so they can be brainwashed easily.
Just look how long it took us in the west to negate religion by adopting Darwinian science and democracy. It took hundreds of painful years, but we came through it thanks to the good work done by our predecessors. Those guys did not benefit from it at all. They did it for their children. These middle east countries toying with democracy think it will change everything over night and riot when it does not happen. They have to realise it's a long process and they won't personally benefit from. You have to put self interest aside and do it for the children of the future.
My hope for humanity is that one day they too will see the light by looking at us and learning, instead of just jealously hating us. Mankind should be moving forward with education, not moving backward to a stone age religion.
Interfering and forcing it on them won't work. We just get the religious hate and nothing changes. They have to work through it themselves at their own pace. Lots will die in the process.
Religion with the promise of life after death is the cause of every war this world has ever known. There you go, I've said it.
Jamie MacDonald
That's nice, but "Conservative Christians" are still screwing everyone over in America.
Yeah no.
Jamie MacDonald
Care to elaborate?
Only if you feel like making this a political discussion. I personally don't. I do enough of that on HuffPo. I enjoy keeping my tech sites politics-free :)
Jamie MacDonald
Oh I'm not American, so I'm not political about it – I don't care, really. It's just interesting to watch for a difference, and the guy I replied to wrote an essay on how stupid religion is there.
Only if you feel like making this a political discussion. I personally don't. I do enough of that on HuffPo. I enjoy keeping my tech sites politics-free :)
sorry but look at the stats the lowest crime countries are the secular countries, also here in the united states, the states with the lowest crime rate are the ones that hold the highest amount of atheist in the U.S.A. so it would seem that if we just got rid of the bedtime fairy tales we would be a much more peaceful world.
Most wars have started because of ownership/land, self gain, different views… Land would probably be the #1 reason, not religion.
The whole point of religion is to keep people in their place. They place rules for us to follow and if we don't, they try to instill fear in us by telling us God will smite us and we'll all go to hell. Obviously, there's a lot more to it than that, but that what I take most from religion.
Religion = Government, one in the same. Actually, it's more powerful than any governing body on earth. It was around longer than any form of government and will likely stay until we're all gone or at least until the 90% of the world population that follows a form of religion mysteriously disappears.
Religion works and every once in awhile, just like a government, they screw up which might cause a riot or two but without it there would be chaos and we probably wouldn't be here today.
I thought we were talking about next-gen consoles here???
My comment was in response to the smug comment made regarding Syria. Religion used to own all the property and land, or cream off profits from those they didn't own. How do you think they got the money to build those expensive church's and cathedrals when the masses were living in shacks. Religion is used as the motivator to fight, even today. It is political. It is more powerful than patriotism because it offers a self benefit. The promise of life after death, heaven, reincarnation, they are all witch doctors selling the same dream.
But you're right, we are here to talk about next gen consoles so I apologise for diverting so drastically. I don't normally do that.
I concur.
hey if it wasn't for obama, you just might not be in an economy where you'd be considering a game console, twit. AS Bush went out, the DJIA index (Dow) was falling below 6800. A sure sign we were might have been heading for another great depression. And at the same time, they were trying to pin that problem on the new president as W tried to escape accountability. He also tried to pin blame on others. cute son of a bitch he was. — As someone with the money to buy 1000 shares of say IBM and then sell etc, that was a scary market to be in and have over 100 thousand tied up in. So if you think I'm some bottom feeder wanting hand outs, you'd be wrong. Nor do I mind the rich having higher taxes. but… 4 years later, and the Dow is soaring above 15,000. But 4 years ago, they all said, Obama or "Obummer" was going to destroy the economy. What are going to say now? Nothing but garbage, because, again, they are a bunch of uninformed shit talkers, as usual. But then again, you list your self as a "gamer". Wow, what a impressive source you must be. Probably parroted your red neck parents.
Larger institutions control most shares and trades that are placed in the markets. Up until the 90s and 2000's, the stock market was somewhat of a decent indicator of general economic strength. Now it has virtually no correlation to the actual economy. It has to do with where the largest banks and investment firms choose to keep their money, because nowhere else looks appetizing.
There are a ton of articles/graphs about this, but here is one: http://blog.afraidtotrade.com/the-10-year-relationship-between-the-sp500-and-fed-funds-rate/
Looking at the actual economy, nobody would say that it is in good shape. Literally, nobody. I am not blaming Obama for the bubble/burst. It is the bubble/burst effect and Obama deserves no more blame than Bush. It was market reactions, and the larger issue of government subsidized loans for people who couldn't afford it. But no, Obama has certainly done nothing that help the larger economy. Quite literally, he has never had an idea for the economy that wasn't directly or indirectly funded by the federal government, requiring additional money printing by the fed. But, I'm pretty sure that the majority of the voter base is A-OK with that, for now. The Bernanke/Obama teams have kicked the can down the road to a truly masterful degree. The stock market in its current state is very literally reliant on the federal reserve's pumping. Between the federal reserve for banks and businesses and the social programs for people, in not too many more years, everyone will be convinced that they can no longer survive if not for the federal government…because they can't, because "the system" has been built entirely around the current states of things. Masterful…truly.
If you think Obama is helping our country n any way shape or form for the better then you sir or ma'am are the definition of ignorance and there will be NO amount of words that will dissuade you. The cold hard evidence is aplenty and in your face. I will say no more since the good ole NSA is watching, but I have personally witnessed and unfortunately been a part of some historical significant events that are not known by about 93% of the world's population that would make your sphinkter pucker. NONE of our presidents except for about two were actually good and one of those two i even question.
You just made dislike sony, don't mix Obama with the ps4…..lol jk
Yes and the Japanese people are very patriotic, so they will be more inclined to accept concentrating on other markets first in order to win the war globally. Like you say, Nintendo are not an immediate threat right now in Japan. The US and Europe are the main battlegrounds right now. Win those by placing a PS4 console in every living room and MS will have lost its key markets in US and UK. Sony are playing it very clever this time around in terms of hardware design, overall vision and market strategy.
Considering the PS3 launch was a disaster and the PS3 hardware design was flawed, the PS4 launch is an impressive lesson in how to do it right. MS just did it all wrong with XB1 like a load of noobs and although it's quite a capable machine, the hardware design issues will resonate for the rest of its life cycle. Expect the XB1 to be quickly dumped within 2-3 years and replaced by an improved XB2. I don't expect XB1 to survive 5 years at all. If you buy an expensive XB1, expect to be buying another expensive XB2 in 3 years time.
The reason >>>> open world games will be big news next gen and XB1 has zero fast GDDR5 RAM for rapidly streaming high res textures on the fly into RAM. The small eSRAM won't help because it's for rapid transmission of tiny data chunks between CPU and GPU. Cloud processing won't help due to the latency. Sony learned lessons from the Skyrim disaster on PS3, so PS4 is designed to run open world's perfectly in super smooth HD and will last 10 years, with 5 years overlapping the PS5. Roughly the same as all previous Playstation generations.
Of course, you're right. Microsoft hasn't the foggiest idea what they're doing. Their multi-billion dollar collection of talent and resources is no match for the ramblings of an anonymous blog poster.
You should hit them up for a cushy job. You've obviously got this all figured out in a way that they never even foresaw. I'm sure they would jump at the opportunity to share in your enlightenment.
In all seriousness, both companies have very capable people and significant resources. Each has approached the same goal with a similar, but slightly different design. Sony's solution may in the end turn out to be more powerful, but it also may not. Same for Microsoft. We don't know enough right now to reach a conclusion.
The only evidence before us at the moment are the early versions of the games, and so far games on XBOX ONE seem to be running generally faster and at higher resolutions. But again, there are many factors that could account for that and everything could change once code is finalized. But that's all we have to go on at the moment.
But what about the specs? What matters to overall performance is not discrete specs for one component or another but rather total system throughput. We don't know enough at this point to know which system will have the better throughput and the fewest bottlenecks.
Just because MS is a big company with "their multi-billion dollar collection of talent and resources" doesn't mean they can't drop the f*uckin ball BIG TIME, which they've done REPEATEDLY since announcing the XB1.
Microsoft was, is, and may continue to be a smart company, but by no means does that make them INFALLIBLE, or incapable of making stupid, stupid mistakes…
Do you know what a production yield is. A low production yield will still get a limited amount of units on the shelves. Chips (CPU, GPU, eSRAM and move engine chips) are hard to manufacture and a few turn out to be duds. The more duds, the less you can put into consoles, so the less consoles you can make. If you have designed a chip that is particularly hard to produce reliably, you get a lot of duds = low production yield.
There is a threshold of how bad the chip can be before it gets dumped. A good design will allow for some parts of the chip to be disabled. For example the CELL had 8 SPU's, but in manufacture, sometimes one or more SPU's turned out faulty. By only using 7 SPU's, Sony were able to use more of what came off the production line. Hence the statement "Sony disabled one SPU to improve yield rates".
Also, if you're system is pushing a component too hard and requires it to be almost perfect, you are going to get a low yield rate of chips able to do the job, especially if you have made it so intricate that the amount of things to go wrong has increased. All your eggs in one basket syndrome. Sony are experts at electronic hardware manufacture, whereas MS are new kids on the block in that regard. Just remember the RROD on xbox 360. XB1 has design issues as well but I'm not going to list them here.
The limited number of good chips go inside XB1 consoles for sale at launch. The impact of that is XB1's are hard to get hold of and MS can't get a large number into living rooms. As for PS4, the console is well designed and the chips appear to be well designed as well giving a high production yield. So Sony are able to flood the stores with far more reliable working units. That means more people that want one get one and Sony get far more units into living rooms.
It's an important issue because it's like having a one year head start. Once you have a console in someones living room first, most people are unlikely to purchase both consoles and stick with the initial one. Good news for Sony, bad news for MS.
Just say there's 1 million XB1 and 16 million PS4 consoles on sale at launch, and they both sell out. Who's in better shape, Sony or MS. One is selling games to 1 million people and the other is selling games to 16 million people. Then add to that the fact that most people are preferring the PS4 anyway because it is cheaper and more powerful for games. MS are in big trouble.
Microsoft has already said they have high production yields as well, they want people to buy the console off the shelf if they didn't pre-order. I don't think Microsoft or Sony is trying to sell 15 million consoles this year, I suspect Microsoft has around 4-6 million they want to sell and Sony about the same.
Once again I think rumors are just that, especially with the Blu-ray issues which have been debunked a couple of times now.
I think you may get a surprise then when the sales figures come out after launch.
Don't believe everything MS says. A lot of it is damage control right now to hide bad decisions made in the past. Judge by results not words. Sony spout propaganda as as well, but you have to look through it using evidence from difference sources that tally. One source was saying the XB1 APU complexity was causing yield issues, because it has been customised to hold the CPU, GPU, eSRAM and move engines. That is feasible. Not proven, but when it tallies with other sources you start to wonder.
Sony, MS and fanboys are saying some untruths and partial truths on both sides right now so be careful.
Example 1:
In order to combat the fact that the XB1 GPU has been trimmed down to 12 compute units to make room for the eSRAM and move engines on the APU, fanboys claim the XB1 GPU is more powerful than the PS4 GPU. They claim the XB1 GPU is GCN 2.0 tech and the PS4 is GCN 1.0 tech. AMD have already confirmed that both consoles are using the new GCN 2.0 tech. The compute units are identical. Just a different amount used in each console.
Example 2:
A Sony fanboy claimed that the PS4 APU was using HSA (Heterogeneous System Architecture) for its unified memory and XB1 was not. This does not appear to be the case at all and MS refuted it. It appears to be the case that AMD has implemented their new HSA tech on the PS4 APU, but not on the XB1 GPU, because the XB1 APU has been drastically customised by MS to include the eSRAM. But MS has implemented their own version of HSA into the design. What is not known is whether the XB1 HSA is global for all memory data including the DDR3 RAM or just limited to the eSRAM they have personally implemented. I suspect the latter. This was corroborated when MS proclaimed their eSRAM implementation would allow simultaneous data access from both the CPU and GPU.
HSA is a big deal because it means a process running on the CPU and a process running on the GPU can access the same piece of data in RAM without copying out their own version of that data. All computers, even PC, copy the data resulting in a speed loss at present, so HSA is new cutting edge tech on next gen consoles giving a processing speed boost.
PC's don't even have unified memory which HSA builds on. The PC GPU cannot directly access data in the RAM. It has to be copied to its onboard GDDR5 RAM first. Unified memory means both CPU and GPU can access the same data in RAM, but they still have to make a copy to their own version in the RAM. RSA removes the copy bit with clever management so that one process does not overwrite and change the data the other process is still using at the same time. Sometimes an overwrite is allowed, and sometimes the result needs to be written elsewhere.
Thank you for your very thoughtful comments
It was actually a list of facts, with very little comment apart from the obvious. You are free to goggle the various points if you doubt anything. I think you'll find out the facts are pretty solid.
I hope there are tons of people who pre-ordered several consoles hoping to make a profit on ebay only to have to sell them at face value. I waited 12 hours in line when the 360 launched and was happy to have mine. People were offering me over double what it was worth for me to sell it to them and I said no way. I made the smart move of preordering my PS4 and I will not be standing in line all night :)
married 2 gaming
Why would you wish people to get screwed over on that. Some people have low income but want to make there children hapoy and the only way to afford it is buy two and sell one to pay for theres. Not everyone did it for killer profit but to survive. You can bet your bottom dollar though that bith consoles will sell out day one and no matter how high the yield is it want be high enough. At the very least people will get 250 bucks more than they payed for.
Because no one has the right to have their console payed for free by making others pay double. They can try it and may hook a fool who cannot wait, but they have no actual right as if its charity. People have the right to say no and pre-order so they don't subsidise the other guy. We are all suffering in the global financial meltdown this time around. People have less money to throw around now and online shopping has matured enough to allow reliable pre-orders. If you cannot afford a PS4, maybe you should not be getting one. Having a PS4 is not your birthright.
John Hamlin
People can do want they want. That's business
Yeah, exactly. People have the option to take the chance that they'll make money and buy multiple consoles.
Now, personally, I tend to not like people who price gouge on anything. Just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should".
I'm one of those who has sold launch systems on Ebay. Each time I listed them starting at .99 cents. Explain to me how listing an item for .99cents is price gauging? It's the consumers who drove my PS3 to $2,800 bucks, not me. If someone wants to spend that much, that's his/her call. Oh and Justerthought, no one is making anyone pay for the console as you've implied. It was their choice.
Matthew Mervin
That's ridculous. If you don't have the money don't buy one! People that buy two fuck everyone's chance at one. It's the same with ticket scalpers!! There are people that want to go out to enjoy a show and have to pay double the price OR they just can't go go at all because 300 dollars a ticket for a ticket at a 75.00 face value is just fucking retarded. Go out and get a real job you cheap low down dirty scumbags!!!
Band-wagon. So you switch to PS4 why? Because it has the better specs? Ban-wagons everywhere… Stay away from our PS4!
I'm switching to PS4 because I am sick and tired of PS3 stuttering frames rates, fuzzy blurred antialiasing, pixilated flickering shadows, shallow draw distances, graphical pop-in and horrendous screen tear that gives me a headache. A torn game is a bust game. Skyrim was the best game I ever played but ran like shit on PS3. The PS3 is old tech now and being pushed way too hard. PS4 is designed with zero bottlenecks to run massive open world games in super smooth HD. My advise, get on the new bandwagon quick because the wheel is falling off this one.
Maybe you were late joining party on PS3 and have not grown tired of its flaws yet. Looks like you are going to join the PS4 party late as well. That's your choice. The Last Of Us and GTAV will be my last PS3 games. Hopefully GTAV on PS3 won't be too much of a spoiler for when I play it properly in super smooth HD on PS4. Yes its coming to PS4, believe me.
You are right about Skyrim (awesome game, ran like crap on PS3), but that was true of a lot of ports to the PS3. Developers said at the git-go that in order to take advantage of the PS3's power, the game had to be actually "designed" for the architecture. This is why so many ports failed. It also explains why games from Naughty Dog were so incredible compared to ports.
In a lot of ways, I'm with you. Last of Us will be my last game for the PS3, and GTAV will be my last for the 360. I think reason's to get a XB1 or PS4 will be that the game worlds will get bigger and load times will get shorter. All the other stuff, IMO, is fluff and is not compelling enough to make me fork out 4-500 bucks on a new console.
I'll wait with gta5 to ps4 or pc edition. It runs like crap on both x360/ps3, but I've read somewhere that the x360 edition is actually worse, still, not sure if that was true or just some babbling.
I was going to wait 6 months for the PS4 version, but the PS3 version runs pretty awesome and the web will be full of spoilers, so I went for it. I've not regretted getting PS3 version. Awesome draw distance, good stable frame rate, sharp graphics, amazing colourful lighting and masses of detail. Rockstar have work magic here when you stand on a hill and look around. There's stuff moving everywhere in every direction as far as the eye can see.
I'm still getting the PS4 version as well so I can revisit it in glorious HD with even more detail. We'll get high quality bokeh depth of field blurs and smooth anti aliasing on PS4, and a really smooth frame rate.
I totally agree. PS3 was a huge graphical leap from PS2 and offered new gameplay experiences such as friends and multiplayer, but it was a flawed design that is showing its age now. Ports suffered drastically. Rockstar did an excellent job with GTAV on PS3 and 360, but it cost $170 million to make.
The PS4 hardware spec and architecture cures all those problems. If anything things have switched 180 degrees, the XB1 is now the one that is harder to programme with slow RAM loading issues. The big open world games will run smoother on PS4 thanks to the fast GDDR5 RAM. The XB1 eRSAM is too small to rapidly fill the slow DDR3 RAM with high res streaming textures.
I'm still on the fence about most of the stuff the new consoles are packing in terms of features, but PS3 and 360 opened up a new world with it's social stuff. Maybe the new next gen features will bring us better ways of doing stuff.
What I'm really interested in right now is the games. Great games will come to both platform no problem, but it is how they perform. That's hardware related. I'm sick and tired of the poor PS3 performance on 3rd party ports and want to move to PS4. Sony has the right hardware in place that sends the power straight to the games without too much effort form the devs.
The future looks bright with PS4. Bring on the games :).
Ole fra trondheim
Sony will crush Microsoft this generation.
In US, which have been Microsoft stronghold, the preorders for PS4 outsell XB1 by far, reports have shown. Since Sony crush Microsoft here, its gonna be a manslaughter in Europe which have been Sony's stronghold. There are many countries which Microsoft wont launch in until 2014. In the meantime, Sony will wait until 2014 before launching PS4 in Asia, but thats a very loyal continent for Sony, so they will wait or import.
Sony have this in the bag already before official launch and they have done everything right this time.
Dexter Rivens
Uhmm I think your missing the marketing point of M$. Billions of people rent/buy/watch movies, TV, cable and FaceTime/Skype while only 200,000,000 buy video game consoles. Sony will keep their PS3 folks and pick up some Nintendo folks.
Xbox One will keep most of their XBL gold customers and now add a large portion of the non console buying community as to be a replacement of their cable boxes.
Math suggests that Sony will double their PS3 console sales and M$ will too in addition to capitalizing on the windows phone/tablet/PC world with its Droid integration. Sony also makes a number of hardware that uses M$ OS so until Sony gets out of their $3,500,000,000 debt it would suggest the number of console sales doesn't reveal a winner but instead the most profitable company wins.
Now that's Math!!
Ole fra trondheim
Uhm, Playstation 4 can also play movies, offer chat, and stuff like that, for $100 less than Xbox One…
And for gamers, it offer far superior specs.
Doesnt matter how you try to twist it. Sony will win bigtime
Dexter Rivens
The Share feature on the PS4 is suspect and limited, Gakai is really their way of pushing the digital DRM that all the PS4 folks complained about + remote play being limited to digital purchases.
Inability to install disc games, sub par chatting quality, sub par server stability, no Real TV integration, limited DS4 functions w/o the PS eye, needing a PS Vita for our SmartGlass level of second screen integration, timed exclusives for AAA games.
So if $100 savings is worth all those lacking items OK. Guess the theoretical power that the PS4 suggests and it's DDR5 justify this for you but what good is power if the games run at higher resolutions and frame rates on the Xbox One?
married 2 gaming
They are so blind lol. M.s said they was not releasing to all countries and people h8ted and h8ted …. then an article came out about japan not getting a ps4 until 2014 and not the first negative comment. This blind hate is
so stupid and ignorant. To hate something just b.c others do shows that they have no voice they just want to follow someome else b.c they dont know shit themselves.
I don't think it's hate. Sony never back tracked on PS4, MS has been doing backflips since the reveal. The later release sucks for Japan but Americans should be happy about this cuz it means more PS4 in the states. Sony would still dominate Japan even if they came out year later.
Mason Rieber
HAHAHA…. "Sony never back tracked on PS4″…. Sony had many of the policies that MS had but they had reversed them prior to their reveal….. Also, i don't think a logical person can justifably consider it backtracking when they only did it because thats what the consumers wanted…. and the last point is pretty simple…. (and worse than backtracking)… all the trash talking sony did about what MS is doing they are in fact trying to attempt it… just in a very low budget, lemon car, type of way… simply put a waste of consumers money and a joke to even be able to claim they have the capabilities (much like their free live service ps players praised).
You sound like a little hater yourself.
Stephane Malo
MS did changes to satisfy the general public but now look at what STEAM is going to deploy, exactly what MS wanted to do. Funny thing is STEAM is getting tons of kudos for it while MS got the bad rap.
I think in general, the population just hates MS. Why , can't say because SONY is as bad as they are.
That Steam thing is cool but it stinks that it kicks your friends out when you begin playing a game. And it doesn't even have to be the same game… if you play ANY game in your Steam library it will kick your friends.
Truth 2013
Yup, the hypodcrisy of the $0N¥ PauperStation N4Gtard NeoFAG. They're the only one bitching on Xbox One, poor paupers!
I think it's great though. In the past we had to wait 9 months to a year later for the systems to come out in America. Now that there is American competition, we get the consoles at the beginning of the launch cycle. How cool is that!!!
Dale Missen
You know nothing about PS4 obviously. Vita remote play kills smart glass. SG is just a companion app. Same as what ps4 does with any iOS or android device. Vita becomes your ps4. Same as vita TV. it's streams ps4 games to another console eg vita or vita TV
Also, Sony has it's own TV service after its partner announcements, that will be steamable to ps4 and vita TV.
Saying that ps4 has sub par chat and servers is like saying Xbox 1 has red ring of death already. No one knows until release as there is no information on these features quality as yet. Only presumptions which is clearly what you have relied on. Everyone just need to chill out. Both consoles will be awesome because they will both play awesome games.
Dexter Rivens
Smartglass – is far superior in jus the way it connects, I use smartglass over 4g from anywhere on my iPhone with the X360 today. There is a new Xbox One versions of Smartglass for the Xbox One via 4g, LTE and WiFi direct. Its not the same as what the PS4 does (In game manuals, up to 8 devices supported simultaneously, remote play of existing games and new games to come, additional game play modes with an existing person playing the same game on a console via multiplayer, and the list goes on)
Tv – the stuff Sony is adding already exists on the X360
Chat – the chat quality via Bluetooth is sub par compared to WiFi direct data rates and quality from the hardware.
Server- Sony's server is sub par as you're using either a rented out server paid for by the Dev's or from another person's console P2P compared to all on the Xbox Cloud. That is sub par with today's xbox 360 vs PS3 not counting the new features that are added with the Xbox One.
This is not based on opinion but fact, the information is out there and not my opinion but other credible reviews. Both consoles will be awesome but there are some very specific differences that impact experiences.
Dale Missen
Yeah smart glass isn't remote play though. You can't take the full game experience into smart glass. Its an extension of your experience. Vita and remote play is entirely different. Which is what you were comparing. If you said smart glass Superior vs companion apps. I would agree.
TV features haven't been fully announced by either in my opinion. After all. Xbox don't offer any further content to ps4, just voice commands and pretty menus with ability to flick between apps.
Chat via Bluetooth and WiFi direct won't be leagues apart in terms of quality. Most people would not tell the difference, and for others, like me, use USB anyway.
Point is, its useless to even debate it at the moment, because neither have released every detail on the systems and infrastructure. Eg Sony servers. Still unknown. They inherited all the gaikai servers when they purchased it. Which has super low ping mainly due to the way in which they are structured, many small locations instead of one or two per region.
If Sony offer these as hosting servers, it will be far superior due to minimal lag. But nothing has been released as far as I know.
I'd rather have the smartglass features than remote play. If I want to continue playing my game while the wife uses the TV, I'll just go to the bedroom, turn on the TV and continue with my game. How you say? By running an HDMI cable through an HTMI splitter to the bedroom. I'd rather go that route than to continue playing on a tiny screen.
Dale Missen
Yeah but smart glass won't let you play the Xbox one on the train/bus/cab ride to work, between college classes, waiting room at Doctors, or during your rest room break when treating the family to dinner at Taco Bell.
Dexter Rivens
You do realize the remote play feature is limited to your local network on the PS4 and also limited to games that do not use the DS4 controller functions. Sony is entertaining you all without giving details (its what I consider lying to customers or misleading)
The TV features on the X360 are better than what is announced for the PS4 today, I'm not sure if you're aware that the content is far more superior today, ie I have Time Warner Cable, ESPN, NFL network, NFL Fantasy Football where as the PS3 and the PS4 do not have either. The x360 content far exceeds the PS4 as far as TV features.
Please listen to the quality of the Xbox One vs X360. The PS3 Bluetooth quality is at best equal to the X360 which is very bad in comparison to the Xbox One quality. Whether you use USB or not the quality and data transfer rate of the PS4 is about 1/3 of that on the Xbox One.
The Sony servers are…other companies servers that Sony has to learn how to tailor. Not saying they wont get it right but there are limits according to Sony on cloud computing to so suggest playing a game via streaming services such as Gaikai is more realistic vs cloud computing contradicts Sony's statement about the Xbox One…..
Calvin Klansek
You sir, is a complete take a guess retard. You talk like you have both working systems in front of you and you can tell us exactly how slow ps4 is to xb1. When in fact you don't have a fucking clue. True fanboy to death. Even if it makes you look completely stupid.
Nobody owns a Vita, it's sold less than the Wii U and it's been out longer. The PS4 will have sub par chat because Sony is allowing the same standard that they allowed with the PS3, which wasn't very good in my opinion.
Dale Missen
Vita sales should be measured against other handhelds. I know several people who own them. Maybe Americans can't afford them?
Vita sales are measured against other handhelds and it's losing to all of them. Sony should hope the Sega Game Gear doesn't make a comeback because it'd outsell Vita as well. The Vita isn't doing well, and American buy 3DS's, iPads and iPhones that cost a lot more. It's not price, it's the fact that Sony hasn't supported it to make it worth buying.
Dale Missen
And just look at how successful the 3DS has been. Now look at the history of its sales. Then look at what happened after the price drop. Vita has price drop and new slim model coming plus AAA titles releasing and access to 1300 existing games and every ps4 game. Your loss.
The 3DS is successful because it has games. When and where are the big games coming to Vita? I'm not talking about console ports, the Vita needs real games. It's gotten so bad, former "exclusive" Vita games like Assassins Creed Liberation are getting ported to consoles to help cover dev costs.
A slim model a year into a piece of hardware's life is never a good thing. There aren't 1300 Vita titles, not by a long shot, and I'm not counting PS1 games or PSP games. Every PS4 game on the Vita huh? So I can play COD Ghosts and Battlefield 4 on Vita? I didn't think so. It's not my loss, I went with 3DS because Nintendo has great software.
Dale Missen
Yes you can play whatever new ps4 game on Vita via remote play. 1300 Gabe's from PSP ps1 ps2 library. Killzone mercenary got good reviews. Future us bright. Plus now vita TV will push development even further.
I checked, you cannot play all PS4 games on the Vita. Technically the Vita was supposed to offer Remote Play with the PS3, but it hardly ever happened. I don't want to buy a new $200+ handheld, spend another $50 on memory so that I can play PSP, PS1, PS2 games. If I want to play those games I'll play them on the consoles they were built for.
Killzone Mercenary got decent reviews, but how can you say the future is bright when Sony cuts the price, and says they might not make another portable console again? The Vita sells less every month than the original DS. VIta TV might do okay in Japan, but why make new hardware when you aren't providing software? Name me 5 new AAA Vita titles coming that aren't ports.
Dale Missen
You can play ps4 games remote play. Its already been demonstrated. All ps4 games must be supported with remote play for them to pass for publishing. Ps4 has dedicated chip within console for steaming using gaikai tech. This alone is enough to revive and give promise to the vita.
Only first party Sony games are required to have any sort of Remote Play. Do a little research, third parties don't have to add that at all, and I doubt they ever do. Gaikai doesn't require a special chip, it's the same thing as Onlive. It simply streams a game through a constant internet connection (DRM). You think Remote Play (Which Wii U does) is going to revive a handheld in this market? Where can I get some of that Kool Aid?
Dale Missen
How about you start backing some of the rubbish you are sprouting with links because I'm sick of proving you wrong.
And here : "PS4's in-built hardware h.264 video encoder to compress the image"http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-sony-mandates-vita-remote-play-for-ps4-games
" Sony has made it pretty easy for developers to opt-in.
"Please make sure that when you play your games on Vita, the control is good. That's the minimum thing we're asking them to do," he said.
Although Sony has politely requested developers to implement a Vita-specific control scheme to support Remote Play"
So basically third parties do have to "opt" in.
If the support wasn't there on PS3, I don't see it being there on PS4. Also like I said earlier, how is this different than Wii U which would be $300 cheaper than a Vita/PS4 combo?
Dale Missen
Isn't Nintendo dead? And its specs are more akin to an Xbox than next gen. Also Wii u controller is a second screen. And it plays Mario. Who cares.
Are you really trying to clutch at straws by quoting the author of the article? Or just that thick and in love with m$ that its clouding any common sense you have. There is no opt in. That was the author. Sony made it clear. Please make sure you have good control for Vita. That's all they ask. Sony will do the rest with on board hardware to stream and encode it. Period.
If you are happy paying $100 more for an xbone when ps4 has so many more better features and 50% more powerful, go v for it. Your loss.
Oh and here is a link so you know it comes from a reputable source. Not the make believe fantasy land you have been relying on to support your argument.
The memory reads are said to be 40%-50% faster on the PS4, understandable when the PlayStation 4 is using the faster GDDR5 (Graphics Double Data Rate, version 5) memory, and the ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50% faster.
Edge give an example of an optimised, platform-agnostic build which would run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on the PlayStation 4, but the same code would only manage "20-something" FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One.
Dale Missen
I think you have been embarrassed enough for one day. Time for my bed.
How am I clutching at straws when I point to the truth of the matter? Also, how in the world is Nintendo dead? They are coming off 100+ million Wii's sold, and have the number 1 and 2 selling handhelds out right now (DS and 3DS).
I'm perfectly fine paying $499 for an Xbox One, that was never in question. This is Microsoft's first console in 8 years and I'm excited about it. Don't quote me some Edge article which doesn't name sources and could be anyone, I'll easily get quotes from legit devs like Kojima and John Carmack who have said PS4 and Xbox One are basically the same hardware wise.
Those are two well respected devs speaking out on the truth. I personally never buy a console based on power alone, but the Xbox One is a very powerful machine and I'm looking forward to getting mine. The misquote in Edge is actually something from E3 where COD Ghosts was running slower on the Xbox One because it was the Xbox 360 Engine and it wasn't optimized yet.
If you think the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One you're pretty thick, but then again you think the Vita has a bright future, so it's clear you can't think.
Anthony Hall
Remote play is required by ALL games that do not use the pseye and in some cases the touch pad. Wii U has a limit to how far away it is and its not even remote play. Gaikia is almost the same as a digital purchase so its limited to the account. Its a streamed game with what the ps4 can read saved and what it cant streamed.
The Vita was designed for use with PS4. PS3 remote play was tacked on. And since it was created to work with PS4 architecture, it was more difficult to make it "friendly" with the PS3. You should have seen that fact if you checked.
And every PS4 game that doesn't require the PSEye is compatible with Vita. Sony made that a mandatory condition for devs. They mentioned this fact on a number of occasions. Their whole ecosystem is going to be "friendly"… ie: Vita, Vita TV, and of course, the PS4.
Craig Rude-Boy Newman
I've had playtv on my ps3 for 4 years (it turns it into a DVR) your point?
Not to mention the higher latency with DDR5.
First off… FYI, "DRM" means "Digital Rights Management"…. so when you say "digital Digital Rights Management", it makes no sense. DRM is digital to begin with. Calling it "digital DRM" is like saying, "TGIF Friday".
Gakai is not the same "digital DRM" that people were complaining about. The masses complained about XBone's DRM policy because users did not own the disc-based games they purchased. The MS policy was that you could not resell your games privately. Or the fact that you can't just take your games to a friend's house during the day, then it to another friend without removing consoles from the game's license. THAT is what the problem was. It was confusing and not very practical. And digital console games already are DRM protected…. they always have been. If I'm wrong, please name one digital console game that isn't locked with DRM…
And you are wrong about remote play being limited to digital purchases. Whatever disc is in the console is also playable. And the VIta is not the same as Smartglass. You are correct to say PS4 users need a Vita for "your" Smartglass level of second screen… but it is also a standalone device. Smartglass is not. Don't get me wrong, Smartglass is great, but so is the Vita integration. And who's to say Sony isn't currently working on a tablet solution similar to SmartGlass? If SmartGlass V2 is an app, like the first iteration was, then I'm pretty sure it's possible for Sony to create an app for their console also. It's a frikkin app.
Re: no real TV integration – For a growing number of people, this is not really a big deal. Cable subscriptions are dropping worldwide. And really, the XB1 sitting beside a digital box for TV integration is a LOT of space. People today are getting rid of their digital box and are just streaming over the internet for their TV shows. 15 years ago, when cable TV was at it's peak, this would be a must have feature. But with dwindling numbers of cable subscriptions, many people can do without it.
Both consoles are great. They are both doing things the other guy isn't. For every point a fanboy (like you) has in support of their preference, there is a counter argument for the other side. Knowledgeable consumers are going to buy the console that offers services and features that suit each individual. For you, you might prefer the Kinect stuff, and the TV integration, and the potential of the cloud. For me, since I don't care much about the cable TV integration, and don't care for the multiplayer benefits of the Cloud, and my wife hijacks the TV to watch her shows, and it's a bit of a nuisance to move the system to another room (not to mention the risk of dropping it) – the Vita remote-play factor is a must have for me. With the PS4, I don't have to wait until 10:30-11pm on weeknights to play my games. And since XB1 does not have anything even close to this, my decision was quite easy. The opportunity to play games for the 2-3 hours my wife is watching her shows is something I just couldn't pass up.
Dexter Rivens
Ok here's the issue. Looking at each console and debating pro's and con's based on my preferences OR market research doesn't make me or anyone else a fanboy. Could it be that Sony's gaming console meets NONE of my preferences or those in my demographics/lifestyles/region (however or whatever you're using to label this).
SmartGlass vs. PS Vita and remote play: smart glass v2 does play games from the app for certain titles and more are coming which happens to be exclusive to the Xbox One just as the PS Vita is exclusive to the PS4. Sony cannot make an app that does what the Xbox One does as they don't have WiFi direct or the Cloud support to pull it off "right now". Perhaps when they generate income, if that happens this generation, they will invest and stabilize their offerings and extend the efficiency of the existing services.
Gakai as demonstrated by Sony and according reviews exists for digital games as you have to put a game disc in to play so, explain how to change games via remote play when it's required to start the game on the console first and then suspend play to start remote play for PS4 games. The indie, PS vita games are digital only and don't require you to swap discs so depending upon what game you want to play its limited to digital games.
DRM as we all understand is a type of security but for understanding its logical to place a word such as "digital" or "disc" to specify what you're talking about.
You nor anyone owns any game regardless of a purchase on a disc or digital (read your paperwork). You have purchased a license to use the content on the disc under certain parameters and agreements. You do own the plastic.
Trading a game disc is just trading the rights of use which was not restricted by Xbox and had people read M$ info instead of articles by anti-M$ companies they would have understood that M$ was creating a trading market, lending market, and actual extended DRM by means of their cloud system.
Look at what's going on with Xbox Game Store.
I'm not dissing the PS4 but I'm against companies who announce partial information and then try to influence by leaking more misinformation to create pre sales , etc. I choose to go the other way.
Sony has suggested their system is way more powerful than the X1, suggested that M$ was taking rights away from gamers, suggesting M$ is gouging customers for $, suggesting M$ doesn't know how to build a gaming machine, suggested M$ has no clue about cloud computing, suggested M$ OS was poor. Suggested that their games are better than the X1 launch exclusives but the vites were made and The funny thing is 100% of that is not true
If you like Sony and the PS4 but none of this bothers you I'm not calling you a fanboy but I question why you don't feel that Sony is wrong for what they're doing. I'm not calling you names but this will be the third M$ console and they are and have been the #1 selling console for 32+ months w/o bad mouthing Sony.
One company whose stock holders want them to separate the hardware division for terrible debt and bad investments vs. an American company who may not present things the way other companies do but who stick with their customers and provides software for many companies even Sony ie Direct X.
I guess this all makes me a fanboy OR maybe I figured out $399+$60+$199+$50 is a lot more than $499+$60(if you choose to renew XBL gold) and everything X1 announced is available at launch unlike Sony
And there he is… The ultimate MS apologist. You really are a sheep, huh? You write off all things Sony but chirp about the little things the XB1 can do. Lets look at your ignorance, shall we?
Smartglass vs Vita: you mention that smartglass does play some games, but Sony cant add an app. Assuming that's correct… So? Smartglass is an accompaniment app… It will never be a standalone device. You go on about Sony not having the smartglass capabilities…. What about the other way? Smartglass can't play games like the Vita can, but in the same breathe you can't pause your XB1 and continue on the vita, right? that's a HUGE capability you just seem to skim over. As far as Sony not having second screen gameplay, like XB1…. The Division was shown on PS4 dev units and they showed a tablet gamer. But you might just write that off, like you have been doing all along.
Re: DRM
Sorry bud. Not matter how you spin it, it's just DRM. It was first introduced on PC, and you will never hear a PC gamer distinguish between digital DRM and disc DRM. It's just DRM.
Re: not owning the game, just the license. Fair enough. And what MS was doing was preventing you to do with the license as you may. And they were doing by "creating a marketplace" was taking power out of the consumers hands and into the hands of their corporate partners.
So you say you are against companies how provide partial information and make up stories to drum up sales… Then you disregard Major Nelson's blatant attempt at trying to fool gamers when he said Titanfall would be demoed on XB1 units, then it was revealed they were running the game a Windows 8 PCs… but Sony is making up stories…
Also, you posted 2 wikis on this board… 1 referring to a claim by MS that their XB1 will run 4K resolution, and the other a Sony page where they admit the PS4 likely wont output games higher than 1080p. Here's the thing…. Anybody with ANY knowledge in processing power and PC architecture will look at both specs and tell you neither system will be able to output games in 4k. But here you are…. Believing the company that is making up stories to drum up sales.
Sony alone hasn't claimed their console is more powerful. Their specs do the talking for them, and so do devs. The cloud is supposed to be the difference maker for MS, but looking at just the machines, the PS4 is more powerful. Not by much, but it is.
Sony never claimed MS was taking consumer rights away…the consumers did…
I could go on and respond your other points but there's just way too much "fail" to deal with. Just one more though… "…everything X1 announced is available at launch unlike Sony." You mean like Kinect not having voice in some launch countries? You do realize Major Nelson said the XB1 IS Kinect and Kinect IS XB1, right? He said the XB1 is HDMI passthrough, it is the controller, it is Kinect. So by not having all functionality working, then doesn't that mean they are launching their console before its ready? By him equating the Kinect to a controller, that's like not having the Y button working at launch, but still launching.
XB1 is Kinect…. but Kinect is not ready… And still you are giving them credit for making everything they announced available at launch. You are not just a fanboy, you're also an apologist.
epic beast
Its not really 100$ less. First off the xbox one comes complete as a console. The ps4 dosent. Xbox one comes with free games that are retailed at 60$. Has better launch games, has better multiplayer, better controller. Playstation will fail just like ps3 did. It will sell fast in the beginning. Then you will see trade ins of it left and right because there system doesnt do the things the xbox does. Microsoft is a bigger company, has more money, and is way more powerful then sony. Shit 75% of everything sony has microsoft parts in it. But now the xbox one has a sony part too. Bluray
There's so much ignorance in this post I don't even…
The free game is only for Xbox Day One Pre-Orders in Europe. Which isn't that many. Sony already has 4 F2P games lined up for the PS4.
Launch titles, multiplayer, and the controller are complete (in your case, biased) opinion.
As for MS having money? Money can't do a damn thing for you if you don't know what to do with it.
Dexter Rivens
Hmm lets see, they invested in their own IP games, their own cloud service, Kinect technology that is so good Apple is making offers to buy, and expect to show a profit first quarter of 2014 to continue to invest, AND they brought Nokia which is a part of their second screen experience, best controllers, E3 awards…..And lastly timed exclusive games and content for most AAA games that people play, TV integration with major providers, the NFL and their own TV series.
what was that about not knowing what to do with $
In comparison to PS Vita= fail,
PS Vita 2013 – we will see?
PS3 – still paying off debt
PS Vita TV – 2014 but not in the US
Gaikai – 2014 maybe but in select regions
PS3 Eye – fail
PS4 eye = they don't think its good enough to offer in a bundle
Share feature – not HDMI capable and limited to a few services (No second screen recording support)
DS4 touch pad – limited integration (Why not put a keyboard there instead)
Chris Contreras
Its not that they don't think the PS eye is good enough, it is to make the console cheaper. Why do you think the Xbox One costs more if it has inferior specs. It is because the Kinect is bundled.
Dexter Rivens
If the Xbox One's hardware is inferior why does it natively have the ability to play games, video's and show photos in double the resolution as the PS4?
I wont get into the other stuff just sharing what matters.
"If the Xbox One's hardware is inferior why does it natively have the ability to play games, video's and show photos in double the resolution as the PS4?"
Please show me what you're talking about… because its been nearly universally accepted that the PS4 does indeed have superior specs than the xbox1, even if the performance difference is only theoretical…
Dexter Rivens
The Xbox One will support 4K resolution (3840×2160) (2160p) video output and 7.1 surround sound.[35][41][42]
Yusuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of marketing and strategy for
Microsoft, has stated that there is no hardware restriction that would
prevent games from running at 4K resolution.
Although the console will support photos and videos at 4K resolution, the system is not expected to be able to render games beyond 1080p.
I'm pretty sure they are in the same boat on this. It's just Sony seem to be being a little more honest. Sure, they both probably could run games in 4k…. But the frame rate would be terrible. Do you understand how powerful a graphics card you need to run games in 4k on a PC? A lot more than either of these machines has
Christopher Sutton
Dude look at the specs PC's need for games rendered for 4k. You must be retarded to think X1 can play 4k games, unless it's Peggle 2 lol..
Take your fanboy blindness here; http://xboxonevspsfour.com/
And FYI, in the end it ALL comes down to the player's experience.
Trae Ford
You do realize that Sony offered 4k first. they have 4k TVs and they were the first to state that their console could play on 4k. but saying that 4k is useless as of now because nobody makes games or movies for 4k.
Yeah….. um no. To be brutally honest, it seems as though Microsoft is either lying to you and you're buying completely into it, or Sony is being very modest.
Either way, just look at the specs on both consoles, there is nothing that even remotely suggests that the Xbox1 will even remotely outperform the PS4, LOL.
M$ $ony
The Xbox One and the PS4 could scale up to 4k if they wanted to.
chris wilson
When I see a game running at 3840 x 2160 on the Xbone I'll show my arse to the world. Not gonna happen.
Venge Drac
This is too funny, MS already did a ton of 180s and you still believe what they say about the 4K, you sir are out your mind. They heavily rely on the Kinect, You think every single Tom, Dick and Harry will even use their Kinect. I doubt it. Until MS stop messing up at every turn. I think then many people will believe what they say. Same about how XBL never been hacked when it has. Meanwhile MS saying no it hasn't. All I am saying don't believe everything you hear or read. Cause until MS shows prove I refuse to believe a word they say. Oh and their are articles all over the place about XBL been Hacked. I think Sony is a tad more trusting even if it all about Business. MS pays people off to get what they want like they did during game expos. You still want to trust a bunch of people that need money to cheat to get to the top..Enjoy.. Nintendo is more trusting than MS is as well. SO enjoy your X1 IF it passes 4 months of working.
I've been reading through these posts and I must say you, sir, have your head further up your a$$ than anyone else in here. Earlier you said "Sony is entertaining you without giving all of the details."… but you actually think MS is being 100% transparent?? Slip your head out of there for one second to take a breathe. When Major Nelson was hyping the fact that they would be showing Titanfall running on retail units for weeks leading right up to Gamescom… then at the show MS had Titanfall for gamers play it for the first time, people took photos of the Windows 8 PCs running in the cabinets. Why didn't Major Nelson tell everyone it wasn't actually running on retail units??
Again, just to reiterate…. "Sony is entertaining you without giving all of the details." <- as an obvious MS fanboy, you actually said that. Hilarious. Go ahead…. you may reinsert your head now.
You need to shut the fuck up you Xbox fanboy. Half your stuff is not facts don't give me that bullshit. And the PS4 controller has gotten amazing reviews just go watch the hands on videos and all the people I talked to that use the DS4 said it feels amazing and way better then the Xbox one. And their is 30 exclusives in development for PS4. PS4 will get the best exclusives in the long run just like ps3 did. Naughty dog and other developers still have not announced their PS4 game. And PS4 has over 1 million per orders and "high sources" said that the PS4 is easier to develop for and is 30% faster and PS4 doesn't need Skype that's what a PC is for. and PS4 will have internet TV. Just like the article said Xbox one is going downhill.
Anthony Hall
lol go home ur drunk. double the resolution lol wow. start using google bing gives false information.
Dexter Rivens
Not drunk but I read facts. Since May the X1 stuck with high resolution games, vids and pics which is why it comes with a 4k capable HDMI cable. Check your PS4 which maxes at 1080p for games
Ryse is 900p and Killer Instinct is only 720p
Now shut the fuck up with your false information xbot.
Also if Sony wanted to do 4k with games there is nothing stopping them, the point is neither console is strong enough to do so.
This is the reason both console will only be doing 4k Videos and Photos, anyone who says otherwise is full of delusion and bullshit.
Anthony Hall
it cant even output 1080p
Anthony Hall
look at the launch games
Mason Rieber
no, they have explicitly stated the eye isnt good enough…. they did it to cut cost… and they also said (paraphrasing) it will essentially be like the kinect. Because no one will have it. it didnt receive proper funding therefore itself is a kinect v1 and since it will not sell good and won't be integrated into the games (unlike kinect v2) they dont expect it to do well…. game over with the ps5 eye (if the company isnt bankrupt before then)
Well there's the question of the better launch lineup, which Microsoft clearly has the edge. When you look at multiplayer Microsoft has dedicated servers on everything, even COD Ghosts. Sony doesn't have servers on COD, it's Peer 2 Peer again.
The Xbox 360 controller is widely looked at as the best controller, and the Xbox One's controller improved on that. Nobody's said one negative thing about it, so I think Microsoft has some positive edges going into this. Also, money means advertising…think about it. Sony never or poorly advertises their products and they don't sell, Microsoft runs 500 million dollars worth of ads for the first Kinect and it sells 30 million units. Microsoft will use more money on advertising than Sony has with all their hardware/software combined. Microsoft in a pinch could throw in games, cut the price at the drop of a hat, or offer whatever else they wanted, Sony couldn't.
I think MS will still come in 3rd again this gen. Maybe a distant 2nd place if they pull ahead of Nintendo.
Mason Rieber
actually…. they arent an opinion…. if you would actually do some research its now a generally accepted view that launch titles (by far), the multiplayer experience (just like it is on current-gen) AND the controller are superior on the x1… btw know what can do even less for you…. making a profit for once and then still not making enough to cover the liabilities and the company going bankrupt anyway, gg.
The free games on the PS4 are also only 'free' for two weeks (until the trial PS+ expires).
F2P is unfortunately, a myth. There are no true free to play games, as all those games either require microtransactions in order to compete on a level playing field, contain advertising or in some cases require paywall fees for the gateways (and there's currently no indications that the 4 F2P games won't require PS+ because they require dedicated servers and multiplayer elements).
Enjoy those games by all means, but please don't try and convince yourself that they're 'free' – you'll only end up angry if and when you realise otherwise.
Craig Rude-Boy Newman
Er, it's common knowledge that the ps4's F2P games can be played without PS+, thicko.
Really? Can you point me at an article that says so (and hopefully minus the childish and pathetic name calling)? And more than one source would be nice too.
Craig Rude-Boy Newman
I did post them, but for some reason the comment was taken down..try google and 'ps4 f2p games that don't need ps+' the first 3 should suffice.
Thanks for that – I did eventually find them lower down the results (the top hits were all really light on actual info). It does only appear to be PlanetSide 2, DC Universe Online, Warframe, or Blacklight: Retribution that are completely free of PS+ though (because some of the others mentioned have to be downloaded through PS+ at the very least, and some of those (such as Outlast) are available for free for 30 days only). So I stand corrected on the four mentioned (despite the microtransactions, which will hopefully remain a choice and not a necessity), but the jury's kind of out on the rest because they're not really free if you have to pay anything to get to them.
Craig Rude-Boy Newman
Apologies on the thicko jibe,it just gets me down when people just don't research such thngs…p.s from what i gather you can still 'grind' in order to level up in these games (so no micro-transactions are really needed, but encouraged due to the ammount of time to 'level up') also, a lot of the features of the PS4 are not behind PS+ i.e netflix/video chat etc.
No they are free without PS+ you dumbass. The only one that isn't true free to play is Drive Club, -_-.
Resogun and Drive Club (the two 'free' games at launch for PS4) require PS+ to download them (of which you get a free two week trial. After the two weeks, they'll no longer be able to check in to validate that you're entitled to play them unless you purchase PS+ (which isn't free). So it costs you money to play them – you dumbass. Other titles already addressed on here 9 days ago (only two replies higher up the board). Congratulations though, on having the most ironic screen name on here!
Well I didn't see the replies, I'm new to this disqus thing. :<
Atleast the other ones worth playing are free.
Warthunder, Warframe, Blacklight Retribution, PlanetSide 2, DCUO.
No word if Deep Down will require a PS+ subscription or not but it is Free to Play too.
Are they charging now to play Jago on the free KI game?
married 2 gaming
Absolutley … it's like everyone ignored the fact that ps4 took away a bunch to make it cheaper. I rather have got it all and payed the 500 so developers could have done something awesome with the ps4 eye. Now they cant cause tge large majority want have one. I feel like im getting a next gen console with x box but with p.station I feel more like im getting ps3.5 … both are going to be great but xbox is so much more forward thinking. I am getting both but I can near about count on the ps4 being a paper weight in a few years and just knocking the dust off for a couple exclusives every year. While my xbox will be spick and span and have fingerprints all over it from constant use. Sorry for any gramatical errors I cant see what im typing .. stupid phone. Hopefully its close enough.
Sony doesn't own Blu-ray at all, they helped develop a part for it, just like DVD and CD, but they actually don't own it or anything like that, combined effort.
Sony must own something to do with bluray. They will be receiving $3 for every manufactured XB1 because of the bluray player. And as far as i know, they are the only company to be receiving a royalty due to the inclusion of a bluray player in the XB1.
Anthony Hall
it has to download the other haft of it coding on day one lol lol full complete console. ps4 come with like 4 free to play games day one. xbox comes with A free GAME for pre-orders. LOL microsoft makes parts lol u mean operating systems.
https://twitter.com/JamaInferno JamaIn4no
Js, not by much but some of those features you will need to fork over 70+ for the pseye to use some of those features. People will say you can do such and such on thier phones, tv… but like most people, not everyone owns or wanna fork out 1k+ for smart tv and such when what they have is fine as is. Having to bring a device that gives them that out of the box will be a plus for them. MS goal is to bring in not just gamers but anyone to its entertainment all in one
What you are missing is that msft can generate more revenue off fewer boxes sold . They don't need to win the battle of the boxes sold.
M$ $ony
The Xbox One is priced 100$ more because of the kinect which is not going to be big.
Jean-Christophe Gatien
I'm going to go ahead and disagree here. At lauch, no one is going to buy the xbox one for those features, I mean truly, xbox doesn't offer anything revolutionnary enought to justify anyone from the non console comunity to buy it for a 500$ cable box cause everyone that wants cable already have one. For the rest of the features, it's already done by other cheaper ways truly. M$ is going to be the richest because it already is, but console sale wise, Sony just might take home the big bucks here.
Dexter Rivens
just like people were not going to buy the iPad for the features that a iPhone could already do….there are 10 of billions of people in the countries the Xbox One will release who will not game but will buy a machine that offers, Skype, movie streaming, windows compatibility, and digital game trading, sharing, customer video blogging.
Your opinion is valuable as a gamer however we have to realize we are less than 5% of the worlds population. Tablets alone sales approx 1.5 billion a quarter, mainly for people to do things they cant do on their smart phones. A large portion are for mobility however the price of a high end tablet or smart phone is far more expensive than an Xbox One. Watching a movie at home for many is just plugging in their smart device. Having something as powerful as an Xbox One for a cheaper price just makes sense and for parents like me, it gives me my tablet back and gets the teenagers back on another device. Instead of one device for one person, this items can handle up to 7 at a time. M$ has positioned itself to capitalize in areas Sony can't play in yet (console wise)
Sony will do extremely well compared to the last gen, but so will M$. Think of this comment in 2015 when home entertainment shows include video game integration just like today tweeting is now a part of watching TV.
Would it not then make sense that people would opt for the PS4 instead? Since it's $100 cheaper. Or is skyping in the middle of a movie the reason someone buys a console nowerdays? And you think only the xbox supports multiple users? My ps3 supports more than 7 users. That's old news. Like… A generation old
Trae Ford
Whats funny is that no one realizes that you cant just get rid of your cable box.you still have to have an hd cable box to use TV on xbox
That's true, along with the misconception that the XB1 is also a TV DVR (sorry folks, it's not). It's really unfortunate though, that MS didn't think to put a tuner/decoder and DVR capability in the XB1. Now THAT would sell since a lot of people, myself included, would like to get rid of our slow, clunky, and buggy cable set boxes.
Anthony Hall
2015: direct tv app on your gaming console lol good resource and development Microsoft.
married 2 gaming
Some people are to filled with "fake h8″ for microsoft that they just tell thereself that m.s want do well. Sorry guys get over it … it may be at the end of next year but x box will be a huuuuge seller if not greatly topping the ps4 later down the road. At the very least will be close to neck and neck. I could care less though cause I'm getting both .
https://twitter.com/JamaInferno JamaIn4no
Damn where where you in every site and comment section. Love the replies and unbais statements for both ends. Wow
Dexter Rivens
I spent a lot of time researching information as I use to be a journalist in college. I find that there is a lot of poor journalism out there but more of articles filled with rumors or repeating another concept instead of actual facts and figures. I get it they are trying to lure people to their articles with bogus titles and misleading headers but in the end when you take the quotes and facts from each website you start to figure out that a lot of this stuff is just hearsay.
Both companies are in a good position to sale a lot of consoles but truly M$ is fighting a PR battle while Sony is fighting a financial/poor investment battle. Its interesting to see other companies in the same industry take ideas and perfect them such as the new PC game sharing offering of STEAM.
Its also interesting to see M$ invest and create their new Xbox Store which according to Phil Spencer will soon allow digital trading and sharing of digital games for the Xbox One. (more confirmation needed)
Sony has decided to launch a system to recoup their large financial losses with the PS3 and they will capitalize on an upgraded PS3 but is that what people want in 2016 – 2019?
The PS Plus, GaiKai, PS Vita and PS Vita TV are all the DRM that Sony fans complained about but no one sees its being forced down their throats with the new PSN, and remote play.
I consider the PS4 an American Muscle car flexing its power, and loud pipes (no pun intended, it will be a loud system by comparison) but unable to efficiently use all of its computing and sophisticated GPU and the Xbox One is more of a BMW (driving machine) as it seems to lack power but because its so efficient in its uses of the components it will once again prove supreme. Even the RROE didn't stop the X360 as we all got a free upgraded console (those who purchases it outright and not used)
I say good riddance to Gamestop as I once manged the games division of Blockbuster Video and as you can guess, the store front of Blockbuster is no more and the recent purchase of BBV by RedBox is an example that the digital market is here to stay whether we are ready or not.
Roger Richards
I'm glad you "use (sic) to be" a journalist. I can't imagine actually relying on someone with your command of the English language to supply me with useful or valid information. Grammar, spelling and sentence composition aside it is quite obvious that you're an Xbox fanboy toeing the line with your conveyance of 'unbiased research'. There are not 10's of billions of people (from a previous post of yours) right now on the face of the planet, let alone that are going to buy the Xbox for everything except the ability to play games.
Calvin Klansek
Journalist- one who talks shit when they don't know or have anything to write about
Wow you are so negative with your numbers game.
People already have the hardware to do all those things you mention. Why do they need an expensive XB1 do them again. XB1 is just an illusion. It fixes a problem that does not exist. A fancy switching device to access all the boxes you already own via a gimmicky kinect controlled interface. As a games machine, it is gimped by all the TV functions running in the background. Can't you see that MS has hijacked the xbox brand to launch a TV box on the masses. Loyal hardcore gamers have been used and abused.
Unlike XB1, people need PS4 because it offers something have do not already have at present. Super smooth HD gaming that you cannot get from the current gen consoles. Everything else you mention has no merit when all the above is true.
And let's be clear, PS4 will do multimedia as well, but gaming gets the priority share of its power because its a 'games machine'. PS3 was doing multimedia at launch when xbox360 was a one trick pony games machine. MS have just copied Sony with the multimedia stuff but didn't know when to stop, allowing it to take over. The XB1 Kinect TV stuff is just wasting RAM and gimping raw game power with data bottlenecks. Too many eggs in one basket. THE ONE is a flawed concept in every way. But no u-turn can fix this one. It's cast in stone until the XB2 in 3 years time when XB1 gets shelved.
Truth 2013
Let's be clear! You're a pauperfool!
Craig Rude-Boy Newman
Let's be clear! You're the biggest fanboy/multiple account whore i've EVER had the mispleasure of reading..kindly do one, and drop off the bloody planet you sodding arsehole.
Dexter Rivens
Why do they need to buy new phones, cars, TV, watches, clothes. Cause they can. Consumers will continue their patterns and during hard times they didn't change their buying, where are thoughts coming from. What is the basis of your feelings?
The basis of my feelings is that I am a hardcore gamer, pure and simple. That is what I want to do. You lump all those other activities into one with your numbers game as if all people are the same. I want my games console to give gaming a priority by putting all the hardware power into games. For that very reason, there is merit in equipment that is specifically designed for the job, rather than a general purpose unit. Do you understand.
PS4 does that, XB1 does not. I will vote with my wallet. What more can I say.
False, people won't pay $500 for semi cable box replacement. PS4 has everything and it cheaper.
Dexter Rivens
I feel the numbers disprove your thoughts
What numbers? Cause the PS4 does have more preorders.
What numbers? Cause the PS4 does have more preorders.
"Billions of people rent/buy/watch movies, TV, cable and FaceTime/Skype"
And how many will buy a gaming console for them, when all of that is available on their computer?
The only people buying a gaming console are gamers, and no gamers are going to care about trivial things such as Skype.
Dexter Rivens
Pay attention to PC's from now to 2014. The windows and Apple versions are either laptops, tablets or all-in-one's with touch screens.
People are moving away from mice and clunky desktops.
The prices of a console is cheaper than all but the lowest tablets however the features on tablets less than $500 will not last for 8 years.
You may not agree but the industry is pushing console with apps and interfaces similar to a tablet.
It's why Somy didn't include their camera and dropped their PS vita price.
People are buying consoles for entertainment and occasional gaming because adults with kids or kids that visit allow one purchase instead of two or three. Consoles can be shared but tablets, and PC's are mainly for one user at a time
Most people already have a PC/device with those features, why would they buy a $500 console on top of that? Are you implying that people are paying $500+ for those petty features, all of which could run on the cheapest of PC's? People aren't going to buy a $500 gaming console for Skype, they're going to purchase a cheap PC.
"It's why Somy didn't include their camera"
Sony didn't include the camera because they are reasonable and didn't want to force consumers to pay for an unwanted gimmick.
"People are buying consoles for entertainment and occasional gaming because adults with kids or kids that visit allow one purchase instead of two or three."
Is that why the PS4 pre-orders are outnumbering the Xbox One's?
"Xbox One will keep most of their XBL gold customers and now add a large portion of the non console buying community as to be a replacement of their cable boxes."'
Are you really assuming MS won't lose many Gold customers?? I know a lot of 360-only owners who are making the switch over to PS4. They don't lose much by doing so. On the other side, I don't know many PS3-only owners who are making the switch to the XBone, and it's due to the PS+ free library they would lose and the price.
Also, regarding your cable boxes comment…. you do realize that the XBone does not REPLACE the cable box, right? You still need to connect the cable box because it does not have a TV tuner. The XB1 needs to ACCOMPANY a person's cable box, not replace it. If you are like most gamers, your entertainment unit is running out of room. As much as i'd like to keep my XB1 preorder, it just doesn't make sense for me. That console is gimungous…. and that power brick doesn't help with space either.
And just writing off the sheer number of console sales is hilarious. MS is the more profitable company, period. That's a given and they will be regardless of what happens with this console war. So what you're saying is that, hypothetically speaking of course, if MS only sells 10,000 units and Sony sells 10 million, Microsoft will be the winner of the console war because they made more profits in other aspects of their business?? Really? Is that what you're going with? Great math…
John Joe Silver
just a quick change to your comment… PS are releasing in 31 (could be 34) countries in november not all of them there is considerably more than 31 countries in the world
Mason Rieber
yeah, but yet again you cant just count the countries and whatnot…. 10 of those countries could have less than the population / sells of one of the bigger countries therefore its yet another case of the higher numbers dont necessarily mean its better (when people compare specs to specs on paper)
Yet they can't release to their own country. How sad is that? At least in America, we don't have to wait 3 months after launch to get our system.
Anthony Hall
sony has japan they need to beat out the competition that has power in other countries. Why would you sell first to someone that is going to buy what your selling regardless.
Define crush. How much do you think PS4 will outsell XB1? Double?
Just so you know, a pre-order doesn't mean a sale. It's an intent, and depending on where you live or your money situation, it doesn't always equal a sale. That being said, we haven't heard Microsoft's numbers, but rumor has it at over a million, and they are sold out most places as well. Microsoft wants people to be able to go into stores and pick one up this holiday, which is a very smart thing.
Sony isn't releasing in every country, they aren't releasing in their own home country this year. Microsoft will continue to have a strong presence in the US because they understand the American gamer, they like great games, football and entertainment.
I also wouldn't put too much faith in "crushing" a company that has so much more money. The Xbox 360 still beats the PS3 in sales here, something like 3 years in a row now, and that's without a price cut in 4+ years from Microsoft. Meanwhile Sony just did another price cut on the PS3, had killer games like The Last Of Us come out, and still COULD NOT BEAT MICROSOFT IN NORTH AMERICA.
Just kinda remember that.
PS3 has sold more than the XB360. Microsoft had a 6 month head start
Mason Rieber
this is true… but do you know why? its for the same reason everyone is ragging on MS…. the main reason the ps3 sold so well wasnt just because its a gaming console, it was simply because it had blu-ray…. blu-ray was still new and was expensive to buy on its own… its was a very good deal to just pick up a ps3 for a blu-ray player…. not to mention xbl cost money from the start and had better services so MS has collected more money per console….. btw if you were to look up the top 10 or whatever game sales of 2013 so far… ps4 might be leading xbox one in pre-sales but what is it… MS has 7 in the top 10 and Sony has 3? i think its even worse for the full top 20 or whatever is on the first page… think its like 5 for sony and then the rest MS except 3….
He also specified in his post that XB has sold more than PS3 in America.
Well, Sony sold more consoles to people who live in my house than Microsoft did. So I guess that's a win for Sony then?!? If citing sales, it's only really relevant if you include them all
Um, you just used a correlation fallacy. Articles point out sales comparisons all the time in regions. Hell I did a quick search and found one that shows the sales in Japan alone (article below post).
The OP was talking about XB beating PS3 in America. Removing the units sold alone in Japan, leads me to believe the OP is correct. The last report I read showed the PS3 outselling XB360 by about 2 million world wide units. XB360's strongest hold is in America. As of December of 2012, PS3 had 8.7 million units sold in Japan vs the 360's 1.6 million. If you remove the Japanese units sold, the PS3 would have less of a total marketshare by about 6 million. Until someone can show me American numbers, I don't see how it would be wrong to draw a conclusion that the 360 has a bigger marketshare in American compared to the PS3.
Original post spoke of the US, Europe and Japan. One person picked out just the US. So that's where I made my point. I'm just wondering whether Microsoft do only give a shit about their own nation, or if its the fanboys who use this stat as a way of bigging up the company they love so much..? I own a PS3, so far I plan to get the PS4 based on what I've heard. But, ultimately – once I've experienced both systems hands on, I will buy the machine I prefer. And it doesn't really matter which device gets more sales here in the UK. But when talking about which device sold better, you can chop and change your argument to say which device is most popular in different places. Really, the only relevance when talking about which device will sell more is to actually state which device sells more
P.S. Sony stopped pre orders for day 1 delivery for the exact same reason you said Microsoft is doing. So you can buy one in store on the day. So, it's doing the same clever idea, but the demand for the device is actually greater. Plus intent to purchase correlates with sales generally. If I brought a computer out and it had 1 million pre orders, then my friend did it and he got 10,000 pre orders – likely hood is I'm going to sell more
P.S. Sony stopped pre orders for day 1 delivery for the exact same reason you said Microsoft is doing. So you can buy one in store on the day. So, it's doing the same clever idea, but the demand for the device is actually greater. Plus intent to purchase correlates with sales generally. If I brought a computer out and it had 1 million pre orders, then my friend did it and he got 10,000 pre orders – likely hood is I'm going to sell more
Truth 2013
Only in your poor paupermind!
Craig Rude-Boy Newman
Oh Jesus H, please for the sake of rationales everywhere…FUCK OFF!
"will crush"… Because Sony launches earlier and amasses more presales, doesn't mean anything. Also "crush" implies a huge difference. If you knew anything about game console sales and history, you'd know there was never any huge difference. That said, I'm reading other indicators right now that are showing MS may take the lead over Sony. You say MS won't launch until 14, but you forget Sony also doesn't launch in their own country until 14. wake up please and read the article. Oh wait, you're a kid/fanboy.
Dexter Rivens
I think 6,200,000 Xbox One's will cover all pre-orders and retail. Sony has over 1,000,000 pre-orders and says production is fine so we all are covered regardless of what side you're on.
What is the author talking about?
you do realize 6.2 millions is the estimated forecast? 1,000,000 preorders is money in the bank. 6.2 mils is just the number MSFT needs to take to their inverstors, stock holders and what not. I hope at least half of those 6.2m dont get kinect ring of death or somthing, that would suck
Dexter Rivens
Sorry to share this with you but it takes approx a $5 credit card pre-auth to make a pre-order. About a week prior the verification process will start and within 48 hours of 11/15 and 11/22 the actual credit card holds will be placed.
Lets not jump to conclusions that everyone has the $$$ and correct verification to pay.
I do realize $6,200,000 is an estimated number but its also suggests that if they only hit a 50% yield according to M$ they will make a profit in 2013 on the Xbox One. Sony HAS to sale 8,750,000 units at launch to pay off the debt from the PS3
Well I guess MSFT decided to default on their debt. I mean PS3 passed them in global sales and the only reason MSFT numbers are what they are with the 360 is that they basically sold duplicates. In 2009 failure rate was a 54%. Say what you want but I bought my ps3 at launch and even the DS3 is still functional.
And "according to MSFT" win8 is sweeping the floor with every other operating system ever conceived and yet it holds like a 7% market share. "according to MSFT" there was supposed to be shortages on the surface tablet due to high demand yet they flopped and had to cut the price by 30%.
so you see its not what they say….otherwise you would be getting a xbox one not a xbox do whatever sony does
Dexter Rivens
I'm not sure where you data comes from but during the first 5 years of this generation my job was a Gaming Franchise manager…I'm 100% sure the PS# never out sold M$. The Nintendo Wii has outsold them both, but in 2012 – 2013 the X360 is the number one selling console (and they are not counting the sales or RROD)
Xbox 360 sold worldwide – 78.2 million as of June 30, 2013[6]
PS3 Worldwide – March 2013 estimate: "78 million"
fact: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/analysis-xbox-360-poised-to-pass-wii-in-us-sales-by-years-end/
Next time do not use a source that uses outdated graphs. But you were too quick to read what you thought was good. Those graphs are based on 2012 data as of right now is 78 xbox to 79 ps3 and all this after lunching a year late having an insane launch price and being complex as hell. But i guess good things are worth the wait.
If it wasnt for msft deep pockets, xbox wouldnt even be relevant. I mean they basically muscled their way into the market and now are staying aflot by signing exclusive deals. Make halo multiplat and nobody buys a xbox
https://twitter.com/JamaInferno JamaIn4no
Imo….mind you. Why the hell will they use an xbox icon to port to ps, halo made xbox what it is today and dating sims and final fanasty made ps what it is today as well. Again imo, but again you do get a taste from destiny- but once again, no ^^
Mason Rieber
what are you talking about??? that information he posted was of xbox 360 as of june 2013 and ps3 as of march… and like he exactly quoted there isnt even an actually estimate on the ps3 side its literally in quotes because theyre not even sure on the numbers.
Truth 2013
$0N¥ combined PS3 and PS2 numbers for 2 years and VGChartz' numbers are guesses with massive corrections several times a year. Yeah, Sony = Lies, overhype and underdeliver.
Dexter Rivens
Correct and the last 18 months belong to x360. I'm not trying to be an ass There are many other items that show higher number approx 150,000 -250,00 x360 sold per month.
Not to mention the YLOD from the faulty PS3's. My friends on his third PS3. My sister-in-law is on her second. Funny though, MS offered an amazing extended warranty for free due to their failure. What did Sony offer? You can pay them $150 to fix the problem. Pfft.
I'm confused… Microsoft making even more money off something is a positive thing for consumers. And another company being willing to lose money on something in order to please customers is bad? It would only have negative implications if the company went under. Which isn't going to happen…. Because if it was, it already would have
Mason Rieber
not true, Sony is coming closer and closer to bankruptcy…. unless they somehow can get a bailout they have almost a 50% chance of bankruptcy within the next two years…. compared to MS 2%
Dexter Rivens
It's bad because Sony's hardware division is under a lot of pressure to make $ not make happy customers. What good is happy customers when you can't pay your employees? Layoffs, and the saling off of hardware will be next if they don't make $.
We loose so many businesses this way. I don't falt them for pleasing customers but I do fault them for always showing overwhelming loss numbers that sink the companies stock.
Minecraft Greek
I honestly think that both Sony and MS will be successful this generation. Nintendo however……
Nintendo will be fine. Sure the Wii u isn't a powerhouse but their first party games sell systems. I just preordered the wind waker Wii U (really only BC of the custom skin) but I was planning on getting a Wii u when smash bros launched anyways.
I'm so psyched about the next gen that I can't help but read every article. This article isn't even that interesting, yet here I am. Lol
Christopher Sutton
I KNOW! I just want to get my new system and play it already! I AM SO TIRED OF ALL THIS FANBOY BS, GET WHATEVER THE F U WANT! I CAN CARE LESS WHY IT'S BETTER!
If I see Xbone or PeeS4 I ignore the author's future stories. Thanks, Grant.
Minecraft Greek
This article says MS is in trouble based on "rumors" even though MS says they are doing just great.
Sony says they are doing great, and everyone just believes them.
epic beast
For real!
People will do anything to bash at something there not getting.
Im calling it now. When both systems are in stores. The playstation side are going to say…. wish my console could do that….the playstation 4 is weak people. It cant even keep 30 frames a second.
I loved the ps2. That was hands down a masterpiece at its time. I tired likeing the ps3, but after about a month or 2 I would trade it in for xbox stuff. The only thing I even used it for was blu ray lol. Thats what a thought of the playstation 3 was a blu ray player and nothing else. Played a couple of games on it. For how hyped god of war was sure didnt last long. 3 hours on the hardest difficulty yeah grabage!
Willy McBurgle
Quite right – lets judge by track record instead….Microsoft is already on the back foot.
all Xbox one fanboys need to check this out :-) http://xboxcove.com
Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
Kinect I understand if that causes delays? But the Blu ray Drive? Really? Come on, if Sony can manage THAT while still serving its customers I don't see why Microsoft's having a problem. their excuse better not be because it's their first console that uses Blu ray cuz that would be total BS if they tried pulling a fast one like that.
Dexter Rivens
They are taking existing hardware and customizing everything to better fit their system rather than putting a bunch of stuff into a box and saying "look how powerful this is"
Its worth the delays, trust me
Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
oh, alright. because I want Xbox One also and plan to get it when Halo comes next year for it so I want Microsoft to do well and don't want either company to fail.
https://twitter.com/JamaInferno JamaIn4no
I love that they are pro quality over quantity. Take your time MS. I wanna see great visuals, lower fan noise, and not having to ever touch my system.. only to clean [digital games/kinect/kinectsyncingcontrollers]. Really love whre they are taking us.
Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
I'll give them that. They're doing lotta things right this time as of this moment so I'd like to see what they do to impress next.
Willy McBurgle
The answer is because Microsoft probably looked for the cheapest deal on BD drives instead of the balance between price and quality. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up another stockpile of crap from Samsung.
Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
Yeah, you're probably right. Especially since they were too cheap last gen to put Bluray into the Xbox 360. They would've had Bluray also like Sony did last gen but of course they didn't wanna pay royalties now like they'll most likely do for Xbox One so they stuck with HD DVD to save money. Stupid decision if u ask me but that's Microsoft.
So by your argument, is Sony being too cheap for not including a PS Eye with their system?
Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
That's a tough question. Yes and No. Yes because Sony is marketing the AR Game The PlayRoom for PS4 when only certain game bundles will come with it while most stand alone packages won't include it, forcing consumers to get it separately while Microsoft lets consumers be hands on with Kinect 2.0 when they get the Xbox One, letting consumers decide instead of them, so in that respect Sony will lose out and may end up selling less PS Eye Camera if not included with PS4. No because unlike Microsoft, Sony isn't forcing consumers to use PS Eye when they get PS4 if they don't want to. And even though you'll have to pay extra for PS Eye after getting PS4, the total spent will be less than what Microsoft's charging for Xbox One. Consumers will be able to decide whenever they want it and not have to pay extra and then sell it if they don't want it like Microsoft is doing. But I think in time this won't be an issue as I believe as the manufacturing costs go down for PS4, and maybe PS Eye, they'll then start bundling PS Eye with PS4 to give consumers a value proposition higher than what consumers will have to spend now at launch, giving consumers the chance to save money in the future instead of making it mandatory with PS4. That's my take on it. What about you?
I don't think MS was cheap for not offering a high def drive (similar to blu-ray). They provided gamers with a standalone gaming system and offered a similar experience with an addon that gamers' could choose to purchase if that was a feature they wanted. The reverse is happening this time around though when looking at the camera device (well I guess for MS its a camera and a microphone). With that said, I also do not think that Sony is being cheap for not including a PS eye.
In my opinion, the only way to get the attention of developers would be to include Kinect. I wonder if HDDVD would have survived if all 360's shipped with a high definition drive. It would have definitely increased the amount of individuals with an HDDVD drive.
I'm not one of those fans who is excited about Kinect so that I can waive my hand and switch TV channels. I'm excited because of what I saw with Kinect 1 in Madden (ability to call hot routes) and what could be expanded with the new technology. It would be rather cool if I could play a game like GTA and set GPS destinations without pausing. Getting back to point though, I don't think either were MS or Sony were cheap by not including specific features.
Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
yeah I think Microsoft knew people wouldn't want Bluray then since it was more expensive to produce at the time, and it still is, so I agree they made the right choice by appealing to those who perhaps weren't ready for that yet and made HD gaming more popular because of it. And not sure what Sony plans to do, but like I said, eventually in the future they may just start bundling PS Eye so both companies' strategies ended having good results so it won't matter in the future since they'll be better equipped by then. Do u want PS4 or Xbox One? I want both but plan on getting PS4 first since Halo doesn't come to Xbox One until next year.
Good point about the Blu-ray – remember how expensive the PS3 was initially because of it? I've a feeling that the current feeling toward the Kinect will pan out the same way though. Higher pricing straight off the bat but once people get used to what it brings to the experience it'll start to be a more obvious selling point rather than the perception of an unnecessary expense. I personally think once people start using it for multitasking Skype calls or video uploads, or even checking to see if their TV shows have started yet while playing a game, they'll start to wonder how they managed without it. I think Sony should start bundling the Eye, because although it brought the price down, it also looked like a lack of confidence with the product when they sacrificed it to achieve the price point.
Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3
Yeah, same here. I don't really Skype at all so perhaps when I get Xbox One I'll actually use it more. And others also. And I think Sony's just waiting for the right time to bundle it so they when they do a price drop on the system, they can add PS Eye so that they'll be selling the system now at the same price it was without PS Eye and still make money, which will probably be around the time people catch onto Kinect 2.0 to give Microsoft competition so I think even though it seems Sony was unsure of the outcome so they backed out, I think it's gonna pay off for them like it'll pay off for Microsoft.
The HDDVD drive never supported games. It was only ever for movies. That's the big difference
Wow, what a biased article. If the author had bothered to do any research, he'd have seen that the relatively old digitimes info has been refuted.
Also… "The huge hit Microsoft took for its faulty Xbox 360 models is still fresh in everyone's minds." Umm, no. How many revisions of the 360 has been out since they fixed that problem?
A lot. Is that a good thing? I'd rather it was right the first time
Willy McBurgle
at least 5 – tells you something, don't it? ;) That issue wasn't even fixed after Opal , Falcon and Jasper – the Slim fixed it ultimately…
Truth 2013
Yeah, you're an idiot!
Willy McBurgle
i'll take that as an agreement as obviously I know more about it than you. Even the change to 65nm chips for the GPU and CPU didn't negate the fact that the box was a sh*t design. Even the consoles that didn't RROD often locked up from heat.
My Jasper locked up, but no RROD. I will have to concur.
I want a console I can play top notch quality games on. In no way will gimmicks on either system influence my purchase. Why would anyone cite Skype as a reason why one console is better? I'm leaning towards the PS4 so far, but I will wait till I have had hands on experience with both before making a decision. Also, the PS4 is more powerful. Microsoft have come out saying "performance differences are greatly overstated". Maybe so… But that only confirms their IS a difference in performance – with the PS4 being the better. And with it being cheaper, that's why I am favouring it SO FAR.
I wouldn't use the Kinect (feels extremely gimmicky) so the fact that Sony give me the option of not buying the Eye is a great idea. Also, the way Microsoft conducted themselves whilst unveiling their system seemed very amateurish and lazy. Not essential, but it does show a lack of thought towards the consumer. That's a big deal for me. Maybe not for others, but it is for me.
P.S. I dunno where you got the idea that PS4 can't run at 60fps, let alone cannot keep it at 30fps. That's just pure shit. BF4 does run at 60fps.
Unfortunately the PS4 has yet to run anything at 1080p or 60fps, and how do we know… well at every conference thus far they have not said YES!, they only say that everything is running at full native resolution,
not only that, there hasn't been a single PS4 running 1 game it's all been running on Windows 7.
I did want a PS4 way back at E3 days but I have since turned to Xbox as it's shaping up to be the far superior console.
I can't wait to see news from TGS, I believe MS is going to reveal the Final specs on their system
Yes, BF4 has been confirmed as running at 60fps on PS4. And what you are talking about is a dev kit… So? You honestly believe that PS4 won't run games at 1080p when the PS3 already does? Also, I haven't seen Sony having to play catch up by upgrading parts, with only months to go, in order to lessen the gap between the two devices. I honestly believe people who think the PS4 won't be able to run games at 60fps on 1080p are kidding themselves because of a devotion to their competitor(s)
Ps3 doesn't run 1080p it runs under 720p upscaled to 1080p sorry to burst your bubble. And they said there haveing probs with bf4 and might run 720p upscaled 1080p but maybe not idk
Only if your game doesn't have native 1080p support. Which some games do, so that's not true. PS3 does run true 1080p games
True 1080p games hell no neither the xbox nor the ps3 have everr hit true 1080p mayb at launch but those games looked like shit at first in my opinion
So, does it or doesn't it? You can't seem to make your mind up. First you say it doesn't support native 1080p, then you say it does. My original point… PS4 will support 1080p natively
Intact, after some research… PS3 actually has more native 1080p games than any other CONSOLE. So…. Yeah. It does
Lmao no it doesn't your a fool maybe some none grahpically intense non aaa or aa games but as far as graphically good looking games don't sorry but your wrong.
Mason Rieber
lol…. you do know since gamescom the people who actually had hands on experience there (NOT YOU) said how inferior the ps4 was running to the xbox one… the xbox one was running 60fps on an actual retail system… compared to the ps4 which wasnt on retail console and couldnt sustain 30fps….
Game Developer, talking with EDGE (so, credible then), made a report about the discrepancies between the two…
"One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it'll run at "20-something" FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One," read the report.
So, an expert would suggest you're chatting shit. Also, optimisation is at the developers end, so that would have nothing to do with the console specs
Haha!!! I own land on the moon with my own private, weightless club and have seen Megan Fox go down on Mikey Cyrus with a loly-pop 6000 times!!!
Oh man I'm sorry I thought we were just voicing severely delusional thoughts on here….
Willy McBurgle
I'm a PS4 buyer but I have to point out that the PS3 nor the 360 have very little in the way of native 1080p games.
Glenn Urrea
Even The Last of Us only runs at 720p. Yeah there really isn't much out there in 1080p.
Glenn Urrea
How many PS3 games can you name that run at 1080p?
I could make a list, but even if I could only name 1 game, it would still make my point valid. Re-read the comments. 1 guy said PS4 will only output at 720p. I said it will run games at 1080p, since te PS3 already does. I DIDN'T SAY THAT ALL PS3 GAMES ARE NATIVELY 1080p. I merely stated that it is capable of it, and has done it, and therefore to propose that the PS4 will not be able to do it, when it's predecessor already can, is a bit idiotic
New Final Fantasy to run at 1080p, at 60fps with memory to spare…
P.S. Microsoft were running their game demos on Windows PC's until recently also. They just weren't upfront about it. Now, the public has actually tried both final end products. And I've got to say, the PS4 does seem to be gearing up to be the hardcore gamers console. I'm not saying that makes it the best, just the best for me. PS4 does all that voice and hand gesture stuff too, they're just not marketing it as a selling point. Which is great, because I won't use it. Just like I don't say "ring Mum" to my phone. I could, I just choose not to.
Kinect and PS Eye are just gimmicks (in my eye). They're not revolutionary, they've been done before. If you're looking for revolution in gaming, look towards the Oculus Rift, not a device that can tell my heart rate by the colour of my skin. Or be able to see 6 people in a pitch black room. I hear these things continuously from Microsoft, without any examples of how this can be implemented to give me a more immersive gaming experience. The only things I can see this shit would be useful for are Dance games and home fitness. And I have no desire for either. Fair enough if you do, I just can't understand citing it as a reason why the Xbox One is superior in the context of the next gen of gaming. Sure, it's superior if you like dancing games and keep fit programs
Mason Rieber
thats about like saying there was a difference in performance between xbox 360 and ps3…. i liked ps3 graphics better and the only difference was potentially on exclusive (which the ps4 has the worst this gen so far)
It has the worst exclusives so far…? Neither console is out yet!! I think if you're going to buy a console (that has a potential lifespan of 10 years) based on the release day titles is insane. Why would anyone buy either on day one (unless you're minted and can afford both)? I want to actually have a go on both first
Hold on, I'm still curious what xbone 180 exclusive is worth playing that I can't play on a far better platform: my PC? At the very least Playstation exclusives are actually exclusive. Titanfall is on PC with better graphics, physics, online count AND pretty much better in every aspect. Aside from THAT one "exclusive" game, what's better than (even if there are only 2 or 3) exclusives on the PS4?? Or Pikmin on Wii U for that matter???
Technically speaking the PS3 has a far better exclusive game list than any other console, yet the 360 was more popular in USA. That didn't deter your 360 decision apparently, so what's the difference with the PS4???
Both new consoles are basically gaming optimized laptops and the PS4 is most certainly faster of the two but that really isn't saying much. Although why pay anymore than $400 for a new gaming console?? $500 wasn't okay for the ps3 but for the new Xbox it is because of some gimmicky, over hyped camera? I don't get it. The PS4 will def be faster and cheaper with actual exclusive games but there's still the xbots trying to tell everyone its inferior? Common now. The ONLY GAME WORTH LOOKING AT on the xbone 180 is also coming to PC AND the crappy 360. So why get a $500 brick unless you're a brainwashed follower or absolute idiot..
Jaspher Roniel Balmes
have you guys checked frinzee.com/competitions/video-game-console-battle-xbox-one-vs-ps4 ??
Truth 2013
Wow, another $0N¥ PauperStation disinformation piece. GTFO Grant!
What a chump, if you believe Microsoft's comment on their "complex hardware" you're a bigger idiot than those for the PS3. PCs are better plain and simple, yet even with an almost identical System on a Chip with obviously less of a GPU and memory the xbots will STILL believe the Xbox one is superior. How tragically comical.
I'm sorry but there is no such thing as an awesome, original, Microsoft product. If you're foolish enough to believe such a thing then by all means MS deserves to take your money.
Willy McBurgle
Ironic irony is ironically ironic. Anyone who buys a launch xbone deserves whatever happens to them.
Willy McBurgle
Ironic irony is ironically ironic. Anyone who buys a launch xbone deserves whatever happens to them.
Truth 2013
Just like you paupers deserve to DIE!
Willy McBurgle
Take your Ritalin…good boy.
Hasn't this already been addressed two weeks ago? The adjustment was an externally projected figure due to the delay in release for certain regions until next year, and the yields were reported incorrectly. It was actually reported on the source site the day after the article linked to.
Cold as ice
Blue ray issues, thats what they get from getting blue ray drives from sony
You sir, are funny. Very funny.
Willy McBurgle
Except that they're probably made by Samsung
This is a very interesting console generation. I will not be buying either one right at first, and will def be waiting. I was, literally, 100% not buying an Xbone while they had their daily online checkin thing, but since they've don away with that, I'll throw them back into the fray.
Personally, I'm going to wait to see if anything happens with the Oculus Rift in the next 6-12 months (hopefully I don't have to wait a whole year….but it's not unlikely, I realize). To me, that seems like the coolest consumer level video game tech to come out in forever. So yeah, I'm going to see what happens with that, and I can't wait to see what happens as Sony and MS duke it out either. It's actually very nice already making the decision to not commit to a console for a period of time after launch. It's fun to watch from the sidelines for a while. I'm planning on the end of 2014 as when I'll probably be making my next major video game system update…
Nathan Ryder
I'm sticking with the PS4….I used to be an XBOX 360 fan until I had 3 consoles get the Red Ring of Death. After the 3rd I learned my lesson and went to PS3 and never looked back. I've only had 1 PS3 fail on me, sooo….I'm staying with Sony.
Lucky you. My good friend is on his 3rd PS3 after the yellow light of death and my sister-in-law is on her second. What's the difference? MS increased their warranty at no charge to you and swapped out your systems. Sony's answer? Pay them $150 to fix.
This site is so ridiculous. The Fanboy runs strong in here.
So ridiculous that you added nothing to the conversation, but thought your opinion was so important to share.
I'm excited for both systems, but to be honest, I'm sick of the Sony fans. Additionally, I hope MS does well. This is fantastic that we actually get launch systems when they come out now, instead of having to wait 9 months to a year later as we always did in the past. And this is thanks to the Xbox.
i added as much to the conversation as this website does actual "reporting". This is False news for click bate.
paul proudman
Anybody seen the photos of the Xbox one without the black plastic case? The fan is HUGE, its the size of a saucer/small plate so they know it gets hot………. its was seven years before Microsoft fixed the overheating problem on the 360……… why would anybody buy a Xbox one knowing Microsoft sell faulty products???
??? It's a large fan so it can run a lower revolutions and therefore generate less noise – standard practice on most kit (PCs especially). And what are you on about 'seven years before Microsoft fixed the overheating problem'? That was all but eliminated by 2008 and by 2010 they'd even stopped offering the three year warranty because they'd become so reliable. How long do you think it's been out?
Xbox 360 continues to sell mainly to replace the older ones. After you've invested as much time and money into a platform it makes sense. Theres no such thing as a reliable Xbox.
Just buy a PC if you plan on actually gaming. The Xbox is for those who can't afford a real gaming platform.
I actually have six PCs in my house, all self built with different OS on each for different purposes. I gave up on using a PC for gaming because the developers got lazy – rather than optimizing their code they just expect users to go out and pay half the cost of their PC again each year just to play the latest games. Plus, by nature, every PC is different hence the constant round of patch after patch to try and accommodate the thousands of variations in hardware and software installations. Console is one platform, one standard and tighter coding through necessity.
I also have two Xbox 360s (both original and still going strong) and a PS3 (which I use mainly for Blu-Ray now)
I used to sell PCs and every time somebody came in to buy one I'd try to talk them out of buying the top of the line model.Why? Because in six months time it'd be second rate and in 12 it would be minimum spec. My consoles have by nature not changed, and the games just get better and better. Example – Skyrim on consoles requires 25% of what it does on a PC, and plays every bit as well and on a far larger screen.
So in my experience, there's actually no such thing as a truly reliable gaming PC!
Xbox is for those who want a gaming platform and don't want to spend half a month's wages every year to keep up while trying to convince themselves that it's what they intended to do all along. If you want to piss away your money like that, it doesn't make you superior, troll, it just makes you a mug.
Ever heard the phrase 'more money than sense'?
So Sony fanboys, look how well Sony are treating their precious fans over GTA5 pre orders exclusive download, that's the real Sony… Good luck, when Microsoft tells me I'm getting exclusive content I get it. Watch PS4 will be the same, and all the crap about Sony being 50% faster, if you read into it …more lies… Graphics programming isn't even finished yet. You all have short memories, online crashes, lost personal details, lost financial details, covertly installed root kits… All Sony! I'm looking forward to my Xbox one, Xbox exclusive dlc's and content never available on PlayStation.. forza just destroyed drive club on
Dale Missen
Enjoy your red ring of death troll
There are perks and flaws with every platform, PC, Nintendo, Etc its just that the Xbox on top of having the downright worst hardware in gaming history (look at the rest of their products, you wouldn't buy a zune over an iPod or a surface over an iPad) its the same deal. Sony knows how to make great hardware along with Nintendo. Why not put that $500+ towards a far better platform that gets all the "Xbox exclusives" anyways? The PC. Oh and live is free for PC. So who's the sucker? At the very least there's games on the Nintendo's and PlayStations that you can only play on those systems. Forza is and always has been a shameless Gran Turismo rip off with crappy graphics. Why brag about that? It'd be like PSfanbois bragging bout PlayStation all-stars when its a Rip off of super smash bros.
I get people are massively ignorant and brainwashed nowadays but Microsoft products always suck. Again, you wouldn't pass up an iPad for a surface or Galaxy S4/iPhone 5 for whatever windows phone so why buy an Xbox?? Same thing just a different market.
For the record, the newest Gran Turismo on PS3 looks better than either Forza or Drive club.
Jaime Lannister
"Forza is and always has been a shameless Gran Turismo rip off with crappy graphics."
Okay, you're credibility just went out the window.
Online review, that's on your amazing
More powerful machine…lol
This was debunked weeks ago, what kind of shady reporting is this site doing? linking an article from August! Both Phil Spencer and Major Nelson have come out and said NO YIELD PROBLEMS!
This site is like cracked magazine. Pseudo reports from fanboys and people that know absolutely nothing. This report has already been debunked. "anonymous" developer does not exist.
So that's why game informer had the 90 days of Xbox one confusion and counting article along with a separate article explaining why the whole console is a rip off.
It just blows my mind that there are Xbox fans period I mean every damn game worth playing comes out for the PC, which is the superior platform. While the whole power debate is hilarious its evident that both consoles are way more similar than last gen even, the PlayStation having without a doubt the superior silicon and somehow Microsoft is still spinning its fantasy web and getting all the little xbots to believe "our architecture is 'complex'" therefore rivaling the PS4 hardware. No. Haha its the same CPU with less GPU and slower memory. Period. These are truly PC components so no more "architecture is key" bs like last gen. Both new consoles are slower than PC but the PS4 is clearly faster of the now 3 "next-gen" consoles. There's just no arguing that and the very fact that Microsoft made that lame comment, "you can't comprehend hardware so we'll fabricate something to get you to buy our overpriced POS anyways" should be a hint.
Its just truly comical.
Nicoli is on some good shit, you make no sense what so ever. Good luck with your drug addiction.
Really? You know being a brainwashed idiot is actual a serious medical issue that's killing off the human race…I guess you resorted to a personal attack considering I'm right. You see, unlike you I've actually purchased every platform and its very clear buying any Xbox is a horrible investment. After all is said and done the money you've blown on crappy Microsoft products could've been spent on a decent PC. But hey you're either a moron or brainwashed into thinking Anything Microsoft makes is "cool" and I feel sorry for xbots. Y'all are too low on the intellectual poll to build a PC and so much of a Tool that you buy whatever just to fit in.
Dude, i didnt read, but you dont need to justifiy your love for PS4 to us, just go buy it, nobody really cares about your views or your purchase decisions. So i dont understand why you fanboys insist on forcing them on others. I personally have both systems ordered and cant wait to play both. What ever delusions you seem to have about why you dont like a console should be kept to yourself, because quite frankly , nobody gives a shit. Good luck with your fanboy problems dude.
"Microsoft: record Xbox One pre-orders won't result in store shortages"
It probably worth saying that I like the PS4, my rant is aimed at the Sony fanboys who have and are still trolling everything to do with XB1,
Microsoft have failed this year round and and I think it will be a ling time before or if ever they get there power back and I'm a Sony nut but up admit that Xbox had all the cards with the 360 having a full year out and also to sort problems out with the 360 before PlayStation was even out but Sony this year have come back bigger and stronger then ever and remember that Sony constantly update there consoles (E.G big ps1 small ps1, big ps2 ps2 slimline,ps3 ps3 slim ps3 super slim they will update) and fix hardware problems as well with the updates, while Xbox only bring out different variations of its self and all was updated when the black was design and possibly I think it had wireless built in and that was it not great moves by them but they still held the power throught the year but as far as ps4 and Xbox one is concerned ps4 has expanded on what they do best, which is make a Great console just sooner this time round and xbox go back to where they started with the original Xbox, just starting up
the xbox one is ugly………the ps 4 has nice lines….it looks cool
It would be devastating for MS if they lose the lead in the US and UK markets. This gen the 360's strength was in North America and the UK, every other country was very solidly in favor of the Playstation, particularly Japan and mainland Europe.
If the PS4 manages to top the XB1 in US/UK, and it looking likely they may due to the price difference, they will surely be behind everywhere else by a large margin.
Developer's may end up skipping XB1 optimizations, or skipping it entirely, if XB1 user base is significantly smaller than the PS4, that in turn will drive even more consumers to the PS4 if developer support is lacking…
Hopefully, MS can get their act together and their production in order. Overcoming the launch inertia is going to be very important this gen when both consoles are coming out of the gate at the same time.
Aybon League
I love my xbox 360 but sony has always been my first choice. I think the xbox one is a brilliant machine bringing. a balanced kind of console while the ps4 offers mega memory and killer processing speeds.
John Pombrio
I heard this rumor almost 5 MONTHS AGO with the exact same information. The sole source of this rehash of a rumor is from one article from one site. The next day, the SAME SITE refuted the story from these exact same suppliers. Rumors, rumors, rumors. Well, they get eyeballs on your site I guess.
Brad Vickers
I don't see how Sony was going to do what XBox One did with the DRM and 24 hour online check in. Sony debunked that a while ago when Jack Tretton said, We have all of what we are going to present ready months before the reveals so to change something up that day is not what we do.
Who cares?? After my 360 experience, Microsoft would be lucky to be considered at all. Plus every game worth while on either the 360 or xbone180 can be played on a far far better platform, the PC. Eventually the Wii U and PS4 will be worth buying as most of their exclusives are not released on PC……one thing I've never gotten about xbots. I mean you brag about crappy Microsoft hardware and inferior versions of PC games along with overpriced online fees. Its like the xboxs are limited PCs for really dumb people.
By that analogy, you sound like you own 3. Again, nobody really gives a shit about your personal experience with a product, Noooobody. You have yet to make a single valid point on anything. The only thing i can decipher from your rants is how you love taking sonys balls on your chin. I really dont understand fanboys like yourself, you wear a brand on your forehead like some chump. You are not paid by sony (that we know of) but yet you waste your life posting how awesome and cool you are because you like this product. You are whats wrong with society, blind brand soldier marching for nothing. You are the equivalent of a free billboard add. Which i might add falls into that "dumb people" category. Read your comments and realize how stupid you sound. Really, grow up man.
I'm sorry that you're a butt hurt fanboy and it's vury sad to say the least but I'm no ps4 fan, I plan on getting one but I however I have every platform; PC, PS3, Wii, Wii U, ipad 4, Galaxy S4 and my 13th 360 which now has issues with its internal wifi adapter, but I give every platform at least one chance and so far there hasn't been an xbox of any kind that provides a better or different experience than a Nintendo, playstation, ipad, android or PC. And while you claim not to care those who I expend my disposable income to (the companies responsible for the products mentioned) do however. While you pathetically limit yourself to a single company as most blind fanboys do, it's your loss and not mine. Take your own advice. Making personal attacks is pathetic. Grow up.
wow, youre so full of shit your eyes are brown. Give it up fanboy, if you bought 13 xbox 360s, you are even more of an idiot than i first thought. You sound like a spoiled brat. If you have a problem with my opinions on your intelligence, ill mail you a quarter, then you can go to the nearest pay phone and call your mommy. Maybe she will buy you a new xbox. Nobody cares about you or your silly tech problems. Sorry bud, the only one that cares is your grandma. Peace.
Awe butt hurt xbots are so cute….lol obviously you need to take a chill pill.
Hey moron, i own all systems you idiot, and i also stated that i will be getting all systems again. You are completely useless if you cant even realize the facts your arguing against. Anyone that uses the word Butt Hurt is a child. You work a summer job for sure at mcdonalds. Just reading your nonsense paints a picture of your immaturity. But hey, what ever you are so mad about, carry on. Im not sure what you are blabbering on about, but it seems to be a giant pile of Fanboy anger. Good luck with that. Also you have had 13 xboxs, you need to get a life.
Trust me bud, if my comment wouldn't be moderated, I'm sure the profanity I'd use would be a more accurate description…
Again, your comments reflect how awesome you must be haha.
Btw, considering I've had a 360 since release day in November of 05 it shouldn't be too hard to believe. The console has been around forever. Who's the angry one here? Again, judging from what have all been personal attacks, it wouldn't hurt for you to get a life also. I understand uncle Steve gives you his wrinkled balls every night but no one should be constantly choking on a major company's cok like you apparently do.
so you went from angry fanboy, to defensive fanboy, to calling other people fanboys. MMMMkay good luck with your insecurities. You are so angry at the world that you dont even realize that you first attack consoles (which is totally lame) to now attacking people calling you out on your bullshit. It hilarious that you even think this is making me mad. Bro, i couldnt care less. Just pointing out to the rest of the forum here that you are full of shit and have anger issues. Good luck with that, nobody cares except for you apparently. Bravo on having no life since 2005 by the way. peace.
Really? Well "bro" if you didnt initiate personal attacks to replace the fact that the company/product you have a woody for blows, things wouldn't get personal. I anger you because my personal opinion has some weight. Microsoft and ALL of their products are just over-priced and sub-par.
LOL, are you daft? or just slow? You by no means anger me, and as i have stated in previous comments, nobody could care less about your fanboyism you goof. You reallly have no clue, the funny part is that you think you are winning at some sort psuedo contest you concocted in your small mind. This is funny ass shit, keep spouting off dude, you are my comedy for the day it seems.
LOL, are you daft? or just slow? You by no means anger me, and as i have stated in previous comments, nobody could care less about your fanboyism you goof. You reallly have no clue, the funny part is that you think you are winning at some sort psuedo contest you concocted in your small mind. This is funny ass shit, keep spouting off dude, you are my comedy for the day it seems.
Fortunately Microsoft replaced 10 of them, as they should. I actually work for my money man, it's why I'm extremely critical of many things on the market. If a company deserves my money, then they have made a stellar product. Again I find your personal attacks extremely reflecting of what kind of person you are, this isn't high school so how bout we keep the topic of convo on the above mentioned subjects hmm? Again your dedication to a crappy company that makes subpar products is your choice but honestly, what one market or product besides the 360 or Windows XP that has truly equaled or surpassed its competitors? Windows 8, Bing, Surface and windows phone, the zune, were and are all subpar products or else Apple, android wouldn't have the dominance in the other markets that they do. In the video game market the over-priced/promised PS3 and weakling Wii are either equal or above the 360's sales count in every market. Looking at the xbox one80s short life is showing no better of a product. Fanboy or not that's the facts.
Everyone loves the underdog man, but Microsoft is in no way such a thing, they just make crap
Rofl at this article. PS4 is already unavailable for preorder until early 2014 due to shortages.
That's just a retailer estimate. It means nothing.
It means they no longer garuntee launch day. It also means that most places no longer take online preorders.
I think you mean: "
PS4 production yields are high, AND Xbox One might be in trouble for release day
I went through two xbox's and gave up on them. Xbox was taking too much of my money so i made PS3 and my PC my primar gaming/media devices. It seems like the XB1 will be better than the 360 at launch. Im deffinelty gettin one now. Getting the PS4 as well, this is going to be a good xmas.
Xbox One production yields are low!? Thanks Obama! :O