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I find it especially sad that Turk has decided to ratchet up his anti-Catholic vitriol, even after I sincerely remarked in my paper (amidst criticisms) that I thought he had toned down his negative rhetoric considerably over the last several years, and that I didn't think his anti-Catholic posts were "personal". Now he's back to the old Frank, I reckon. He simply couldn't resist after evil, wicked boogeyman Dave Armstrong showed up in his vicinity. The reader may decide if their tone and substance are befitting of a Christian man of God setting out to share and defend his Christian faith, or not.
My own view ought to be very clear by now: I think it stinks to high heaven, and is an absolute disgrace to both Christianity and to the apologetic endeavor that I passionately love and have devoted my life to. And the saddest thing at all is that in all likelihood no fellow Protestant will speak up and condemn their atrocious behavior in this thread. No one will see (or state publicly, at any rate) that it is wrong. That's how low the anti-Catholic Internet apologetic world has sunk (if it was ever any different). If someone does have the guts and Christian conscience to do that, I will be most happy to note it here for posterity.
Nice to see you, Dave. You're welcome to post on-topic comments here. But be forewarned: the regulars here don't pull their punches. Many narcissists with fragile psyches have already been wounded in the melee.
Take care.
Right. I guess that is why I have posted online over 650 dialogues. All one-way stuff, right Phil? I rarely ever do lectures: obviously so I can get all this rapt admiration that Frank obviously has for James White. :-)
I didn't expect it to be a lovefest if I dared to comment here, but I was naive enough to hold out some remote hope for the distant semblance of an actual rational discussion. When will I ever learn?
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Hey -- I thought you swore off interacting with me AND Dr. White A LONG TIME AGO?!? Didn't you swear that off because we're evil or some other idiotic notion? let me find that link ... I seem to remember that your love of free speech ended poorly at CARM, and then again at my blog, and then again interacting with Dr. White, and then again intercating [sic] with TQ. You love free speech until it turns out to eat you alive.
I have been given advice, Dave, to pop off your comments here because, let's face it: highlighting your blog here is the best advertisement you'll get this decade, and as I have already said, who wants to proliferate the soft-core apologetic porn out there? Who does that benefit?
I encourage the readers to ignore Dave for their own good, and for Dave's own good. If you do read his comments, I forgive you, but remember this: there are some things you cannot unsee.
Be careful little eyes what you see.
For the record: you are the very essence of a lousy apologist, Dave. You are a nincompoop. You are not just a clown but you are a veritable clown car of intellectual hijinx which pulls up when it pleases, unloads everything from the [metaphorically-speaking] tiny dog with the point hat to the traffic cop with the faulty suspenders, and then expects to be taken seriously -- in fact, you are insulted when you are not taken seriously after parading your assortment of gags out for public inspection.
[oh yes: here's that link about you swearing off interacting with James White. I call that the wedding cake clown -- the one that's half groom and half bride, depending on which side you're looking at.]
Yes, under deliberate provocation and in exasperation one day I used words (over ten years ago now) that went too far, in saying that I was sick and tired of anti-Catholic nonsense and would never talk to or mention James White at all, ever again. But I made no "vow" -- as has been maintained since by many anti-Catholics. I didn't "swear" that I would never do so, or make an oath, etc.
It was a resolution (I specifically used the word "resolve" several times) that I later modified after reflection. I wrote, "I resolve to neither interact with, nor to even mention at all, James White" and that "I am through with debating all anti-Catholics." What I have been doing for the past four years is avoiding all theological debate with anti-Catholics, as a matter of principle and time-management; not all discussion whatever.
I made one temporary exception in the case of Jason Engwer, when he was going after a friend of mine who was wavering in his Catholic faith. The nature of my present position on the matter has been distorted time and again, too (no matter how much I have clarified), and used as a pretext for idiotic mockery. Of course, it is ignored that James White has stated several times that he would utterly ignore me, and then went back on it and interacted with my writing yet again: including two additional challenges to oral debate (three total, in 1995, 2001, and 2007: all consistently refused because I think it is an inferior medium to written debate).
Bishop White challenged me to oral debate in 2001, precisely because it was following his poor performance in our lone live chat debate (12-29-00) in his chat room (mostly centering on Mariology) -- having previously fled for the hills in our initial written 1995 debate by postal mail: leaving my previous 36-page reply completely unanswered, as it has remained for 16 years. I have posted that ever since, and White never has: quite odd if he in fact prevailed in the debate.
The fact of the matter, then (the side of the story that is never ever heard in certain quarters), is that James White virtually begged me in letters dated 11-12 January 2001, to avoid any personal interaction with him henceforth. This was over two months before my "resolution" that has mockingly been thrown in my face ever since by anti-Catholics, including White himself.
It's all documented in an old paper of mine entitled, Case Study in Anti-Catholic Bigotry and Condescension: Dr. James White Rejects Personal Reconciliation and Continues to Pour Forth Insults, Yet Simultaneously Pushes for an Oral Debate; no longer on my blog but available at Internet Archive. After I refused to debate him on his webcast or in live oral debate, he pouted, took his bat and ball and went home, in these words:
Again, nothing new here....I discovered this years ago when you first contacted me, which was exactly why I have done everything I could to avoid further contact with you. . . .
I'll tell ya what: we have a tentative agreement with someone for the 2002 Long Island Debate. If that falls through, how about you free up some time and face me in public? . . .
I detest inconsistency and deception. I detest surface-level assertions and the misuse of facts. That is why you and I don't get along. I'm not impressed by rhetoric and bluster and verbosity. There are many who are, I'm not one of them. I have a deep-seated dislike of those who make a show of knowledge for the sake of something other than the truth itself. . . .
Will you defend what you have written on our webcast or not? Yes or no? . . .
[My reply at the time: "No. My challenge to do some sort of writing debate stands, as it has since mid-1995. You have admitted that basically you think I am dumb and without substance. So why do you want to interact with me? Is it the common tactic of Protestants loving to talk to dumb Catholics, so their view can look better?"]
I have done all I could since then in light of certain aspects of your behavior to avoid interaction like the plague. My website contains nothing about you for that very reason. . . . So I apologize for even considering the idea of having any contact. As they seem to say amongst the young people today, "My bad." . . .
I have to often remind myself that it is not my duty to rebut every false argument. I used to think it was, when I was a younger man. I no longer think that way, though at times I succumb to the temptation to try, in some measure, to do what I should not. I have to trust God's Spirit to lead His people as He sees fit. I have had a number of folks contact me about your posting of my letters and actually warn me against "casting pearls before swine" in doing what I am doing even now. I had three people say to me this morning, "You are wasting your time." I will have to accept their counsel after this response.
Mr. Armstrong, I have no interest, whatsoever, in continuing this with you. I don't like you, and I don't believe you like me. Until a few weeks ago I had followed the path of wisdom and avoided every entanglement with you. I erred in moving from that path. You will undoubtedly claim "victory" and shout loud and long about my supposed inability to respond to your "tightly reasoned" arguments. So be it.
I know different, and what's more, I think, somewhere down inside, you do too. Continuing to attempt to reason with you is likewise foolish: if you write an angry e-mail, like yesterday, and I reply to it, the next day you'll use the calm, rational response, and upbraid me for being nasty. No matter what I do, the end is the same. I knew this years ago. My memory must be failing or something for even making the attempt.
I'm going to ask you to join me in promising to stay as far away from each other as possible. I'm not asking you to not respond on your own website to what I write or doing whatever you want to do when speaking, etc. I am talking about personal interaction. Stay out of #prosapologian. Don't write to me. Don't ask to do dialogues, debates, or anything else. You just do your thing, and I'll do mine. OK?
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[Reply to Frank Turk] I made my lengthy reply. Did you not see it? If you did, why do you ask what I want to talk about, as if you were in some other world, unaware of the happenings around you?
This is my favorite part! This is the part where Dave makes fun of himself!
Watch: [cites my words in the combox, and his own, somehow thinking he is utterly "vindicated" in his vicious, asinine personal attacks]
Now, what I said was plain:
- Dave swore off interacting if Dr. White (and me)
- He did so becuase -we- are idiotic and evil
[I've never called any fellow Christian "evil" in character, to my knowledge (I have been called this many times by anti-Catholics: particularly Steve Hays). No doubt some manifest sins and slanders I have indeed described in that fashion (acts are distinguished from people), but not as Frank spins it; if he thinks otherwise, let the slanderer prove it by documentation beyond a bald charge. I've assuredly called many arguments of anti-Catholicism "idiotic". I generally think most major anti-Catholics online are not stupid people; they are usually sharp and intelligent, but weighed down by many false premises and houses of logical sand built upon them. It's not an "intelligence" problem, but a "bad logic and lack of knowledge" problem. The reason for stopping debate with anti-Catholics was primarily because of the profound irrationality and utter impossibility of rational discussion back-and-forth. True dialogue or debate requires a significant measure of good will, and anti-Catholicism will not, cannot grant that to a Catholic, by the very nature of the beast. So it is impossible, and I don't waste time in such discussion: not at any length. I did more than my share through the years; never enjoyed it at any time, and at length decided that I was through with it altogether]
- he loves free speech
- but he hates it when it end poorly
[I hate it when dialogue or rational discussion never occurs at all (as in Frank's combox): absolutely, but note how Frank cynically spins it as my ceasing to enjoy it because I was supposedly bested by the profundities of anti-Catholicism. No argument ever occurred here, save one person producing some snippets from Trent that he spun as having to do with "grace alone" when they were about "faith alone." I refuted it with the actually relevant portions of Trent and was merely mocked and ridiculed. It gets downright silly . . .]
- ex. 1,2,3,4
- he loves free speech until it eats him alive.
As it is doing right now, I might add.
So that said, where did I say anything about "fleeing", "terror", "overwhelmed", the force of James' arguments, or Dave's "disgust".
[the usual fundamentalist noncomprehension of at-bottom, serious rhetorical exaggeration; I knew this would happen! Anti-Catholic fundamentalists have the greatest difficulty comprehending words in their context and their specific meaning within those contexts, in reference to arguments being replied to. This is a classic case. They struggle with different literary forms. This is true of their biblical exegesis as well as their difficulty in understanding the arguments of opponents or differing theological systems. And Frank has always been particularly bad in this regard. He doesn't get it so many times, but he thinks he does. Few things are more annoying in discussion. Many many times in the past my meaning went right over his head, and I lacked the patience to walk him through step-by-step. Why bother? There is no use, anyway.]
So from the clown car we now have the clown who throws the bucket of confetti instead of the bucket of water, -and- the clown with the big thick glasses -and- the clown who trips over thin air.
Just when you think the last one has come out, here comes the next one.
I truly thought Frank had gotten over this sort of juvenile, foaming-at-the-mouth, ultra-irrational anti-Catholic bilge, as I stated in the initial critique, but I was, sadly, quite mistaken. I guess, with Bishop James White as one's hero, it can scarcely be avoided, since it is so central to White's approach. Like father, like son.
"witness": AAAHHHHHHH!!! I am feeding a troll!
Sorry I got suckered in.
You are now dealing with the clown who only speaks in malaprops. It will be funny until you realize he's serious.
(11:54, 7-28-11)
Thanks Dave -- thanks for bringing the You to this thread. Without it, it would have been so much less entertaining.
I clearly am a much-beloved, respected, venerated figure on this forum.
As promised above, I want to happily note that one Protestant did have the guts and integrity to utter a criticism of Frank Turk. "Coram Deo" (these inane nicknames will be the death of me) did so on 7-29-11:
the idea that we can be both humble and certain, have both Truth and Love, both gentleness and reverence, both Scripture and reason, all heart, mind and soul, and above all having both freedom and responsibility when we are militant for truth and the right faith of others cannot be found.
even as he epitomizes that which he decries; physician heal thyself!
It's like watching Super-Christianman and Bizarro Super-Christianman slug it out in a war of words as to who can be most unlike Christ!
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This is a time for celebration and ticker-tape parades, CD. I wrote in my second paper about this pathetic fiasco:
"Now he's back to the old Frank, I reckon. He simply couldn't resist after evil, wicked boogeyman Dave Armstrong showed up in his vicinity. The reader may decide if their tone and substance are befitting of a Christian man of God setting out to share and defend his Christian faith, or not. . . .
"And the saddest thing at all is that in all likelihood no fellow Protestant will speak up and condemn their atrocious behavior in this thread. No one will see (or state publicly, at any rate) that it is wrong. . . . If someone does have the guts and Christian conscience to do that, I will be most happy to note it here for posterity."
You have done so (of course you have to condemn me, too, and do the "immoral equivalence thing" but that is inevitable and beside the point).
I'm rejoicing ecstatically that a fellow Protestant (and, I believe, a Reformed guy) actually dared utter a criticism of the rank hypocrisy and disgraceful behavior exhibited in this thread by Frank Turk.
Good for you. Praise be to God. That made my day, and I will add your comments to my paper, as stated.
Sure enough, Frank Turk then closed the thread to further comments, as soon as he was criticized by a Protestant. It took all of twelve minutes after my comment. This is the perfect storybook ending: sealing his hypocrisy and intellectual cowardice for one and all to see. It had to end like this. Anti-Catholics almost universally censor and ban and delete and shut down comments when they are cornered and have no rational answer, or not even spin and sophistry and obscurantism anymore. Just shut it down and run and hide under a rock . . . It's the perfect metaphor for the intellectual, biblical, and logical bankruptcy of the anti-Catholic position itself. The only good thing I can say about it is that Frank at least had the guts to leave CD's and my last two comments up in the thread before it was closed.
But who knows? Later on (when all the dust and stink has died down) someone may come along and delete all the "evidence." That's why I have learned from long experience to record everything of note in any exchange with an anti-Catholic, because a week or month later anything could quite possibly be deleted for posterity. For example, John Q. Doe deleted all his comments in a thread on a Lutheran blog, where he let loose and told me exactly what he thought of me: that I was a "psychotic" and quite unbalanced figure, etc. It was the classic Doe temper and avalanche of put-downs. Fortunately, I recorded most of it, since he tried to eliminate all this evidence of his mentality from view. One lives and learns! And this from the king of going back to papers written 20 years ago or more: to the Internet Archives: knowing that in my case, I have often revised my own papers, like any serious writer does. He got a taste of his own medicine . . .


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A Pawleys Island man has been arrested in connection with a kidnapping and robbery that Georgetown police have been investigating.
Willie Edwards, 33, is charged with armed robbery, possession of a weapon during a violent crime, resisting arrest, kidnapping and carjacking.
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if i was really hurting for a barrel right now i would check over at sportsmans guide they had some 16" barrels for $89 --you can probably get a discount code and get at least another $10 off. (if they got any left--they did last time i looked)
then it is hacksaw, re-crown and tap threads to your length.
there are a few barrels left at M&A parts --but man their pricy-- like $250--
there are still a few parts around --even the little things from oddball vendors are running out this time.
you might get a LMT from matt D tactical -- upper for retail (about $475) expensive for a bare upper but very high quality part.
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the irony is an expensive tier one as the mall-ninjas say at its inflated retail price is NOW THE the "deal"-- man has the world turned upside down--LOL!
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Many MMO veterans have noticed a subtle shift in the way players interact with one another: Namely, they don't. In today's Tingle's Touchy Subjects, we take a look at that and explore possible reasons why. Read on and then leave your take on the whole subject in the comments.
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I really enjoyed this article as it touches on some important issues with MMORPGs. I disagree with some of the author's conclusions. I am asking MMORPGs to take a step back. It would be really nice to see some games with harsh death penalties and difficult content. MMORPGs nowadays measure play time, not skill. Anyone can solo their way to the cap without issue. If the mobs were, smarter, tougher, and capable of inflicting harsh death penalties people might actually communicate and group up to play the game. The danger of loss of that sacred "progression" or whatever people call it will make all combat meaningful. People will fondly remember close calls, and lament disastrous losses. The successes will be legendary. They will feel emotion, and tell stories of the game long after the developers pull the plug. No one cares about stories from modern mmorpgs. No one cares that a player got killed by a mob and lost a grand total of 2 minutes of their life running back to their corpse. MMORPG developers need to take a page of Dark Souls, or DayZ, or EVE. Those games have great stories, and great communities, because playing these games means a lot more than simply putting the time in.
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I feel the same way 100%. I played EverQuest for about 3 years or so during the Velious - Gates of Discord expansions. I ended up moving on when there was a bit of a falling out with the guild that I helped gear and progress from Kunark through the first few teirs of the planes. Since that social web got broken, I just kind of lost my way and ended up quitting not long after.
Now I can't seem to stay wih a game for more than a month or two at a time because, like you said, I may as well be playing with NPCs. Everything during the leveling process is so easy, done without any contact with others and then at end game I'm supposed to all of a sudden group up for dungeons and somehow know how my class operates in a group even though the leveling to max was made so easy and quick I never bothered to. Rift was like that for me. I played with one other friend, didn't even realize there were any other dungeons before max level because no one said anything about them and really didn't know what my class was supposed to do in a group setting. What buffs are expected? What is the assist key even so I know I"m attacking the right thing?
I'm one that doesn't like to have to read a novel to learn about every bit of the game and relies more on social interaction and word of mouth to learn, but there's absolutely zero of that today. The games simply aren't forcing you to learn at all when they should be. Most I've found out you can autopilot to max level within a short time, not say anything to anyone and just start queueing up for dungeons and raids. Not quite my type of game and not what I'm really looking for when I look to play an MMORPG when there are single player and multiplayer games giving the same, yet a more polished and better experience without having the MMO label.
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No point to being friends with anyone, as MMORPGs are just slefish solo-fests.
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True back then friends where vital and mmorpgs where mmorpgs now
they seem to launch single player games as mmorpgs well they build them like that.
O and the playerbase now have no clue what a mmorpg is.
Then when getting the wow and future players clashing into EvE Online I cancelled my subs... They have no mmorpg spirit at all.
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Gamers are generally not that social by nature, or we wouldn't spend so much time infront of our monitors. With that in mind combined with games removing more and more reasons to have contact with others, we simply often choose the easy way out.
But we still want the selected socializing, that is when we want to - Unfortunately, that is a one way thing and since most are selective socializers, often there is no contact at the moments we ourselves are "open for socializing".
To me it is simple, the more a game requires and give reasons and time to socialize, the more....
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Ahh devil ether.
Not to say it is very in depth and doesn't coalesce into in-depth conversations about feelings and such but in some maps on GW2 there is quite a bit of bantering back and forth while I'm on and I engage in it as well. On top of that my guild has 498 members last I checked with about 30-40 on at any reasonable time so there is quite a bit of chit chat there too.
Social activity is what you make of it.
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I want a world in a sandbox ... not a theme park!
I agree fully, my enjoyment of mmo's lately has also waned largely due to friends playing other games that dont fit my taste. Sure I can still get missions or quests and run them but it all feels very empty.
Over the years I have met a lot of fun and interesting people (sme even IRL as a result) who at one point or another shared my love for the game we were playing. I even enjoyed my co-op sessions in Guild Wars 1 back in the day with random strangers. Without that social element its exactly like playing a SPOG (Single Player Offline Game).
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I really miss mechanics that made people want to find a specific person or group and play together with them rathere then a random person.
I miss EQ corpse runs. I miss the patron/vassal/allegiance system from AC, I miss my elite world pvp crew. I miss my DAOC team for RvR battles.
I miss the marriage mechanics that granted buffs when the couple was grouped together.
Please bring back a reason to return to group with people you know rather than the random person who would rather prefer to be solo. I feel like every MMO experience is more like solo queueing for a matchmade game rather than arranging a team to best suit the situation.
This is a huge reason why I have not stayed very long in recent MMORPGs.
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So well written. I feel the same way.
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What I'm about to say may be somewhat counterintuitive, but I think it's worth thinking about...
I'm thinking the problem with the games over the years is that they made the successful completion of chained quests a rather high stakes affair. In other words, you had to successfully complete a content chain with a limited number of set people in order to get the reward (loot, an unlock, etc).
What this did was the following:
1) Since you could only take a limited number of people in a group, and you needed everyone in the group to punch at or above their weight for several encounters in a row, you gamed with the people you knew. If you didn't know them, you made them do an "initiation" (download the voice app, fill out a guild application) before you would game with him or her.
2) The games rewarded consistency over sociability. Since one screw up left you and the group with nothing, you didn't take chances with "pick up friends" or people shouting LFG. Why take the chance, when they might drop out to catch dinner, leaving you shorthanded? Why take the chance, when they could die or mess up?
3) "Lockout timers," "wipe fails," and similar mechanics raised the stakes in the uberloot raids and quests. It wasn't condusive to new people jumping in and out at whim. Once you signed in, you were in it for the long haul, or you and the group would get nothing.
See, when you look at a game like WoW (at least the WoW that rose to prominence), the incentive structure was real hostile to meeting new people. You had to do marathon raids with a set group from start to finish, and you needed to do it repeatedly for everyone to get loot. It wasn't a good setup for creating a friendly community. It was a setup that valued a group of set friends you could trust. It's the same with EVE, where you could lose it all by taking a chance on someone new. It's no wonder why both these games have a bad reputation for friendliness and sociability. Misery does not like company.
In contrast, City of Heroes had always had a great, friendly community. But you could see that the incentive structure in that game was different. The stakes were lower, so people took chances on strangers. It did have chained quests, but the chains weren't long, dying wouldn't knock you out, it would scale to the changing dynamics of the group, and everyone got a reward at the end. In short, the "stakes" were much lower, and so people weren't so squeamish about taking chances.
So, in short, high stakes grouping creates an unsociable game. Low stakes grouping creates a sociable game.
Does that make sense?
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Nope, not the only one. I'm not sure I've even opened the chat box in GW2, there is simply no need, you can solo all the open world content (other people just show up for the events) and instances just seem pointless because you level so damn fast that the gear / XP is already useless by the time you've got a group together.
The early days of Rift were probably my most 'socialable' time in MMOs, some of my friends played, but not enough for regular groups, so I often lead pugs, and my friends list filled up fast... then they went and released LFG, nerfed all the content and that, as they say, was the end of that.
I'm hoping WildStar will brind some of that 'social need' back with elite dungeons and 20-40 man raids that are supposed to be properly hard... I just hope they can hold off with the nerf bat long enough for the masses to realise that not have everything handed to them is actaully a very good thing.
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i find games with a much smaller playerbase you can still find and forge friendships... but whenever i forge off into a big game (like i tried gw2) the social aspect vanishs so quick... in a server of tens of thousands and vast space it's just how life evolves.
servers with just mere thousands and not so many maps you will come across the same people, repeatedly, and conversation happens. but we shouldn't have to rely on small games for this.
easy example is crystal saga, it's not a great game, it's actually fairly boring, very linear with almost no brain needed, but i played it for over a year because after a month or so you knew every single high level player on your server, and everyone helped each other (although there was always the same trolls and bickering problems that come in smaller communities)
I truley belive its due to lack of depth in the quests and adventure.
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This article really hit home. I started playing UO back in the late 90's and they had real, honest to God roleplaying. The RP in MMORPG truly existed. Of course UO had housing and RP villages of like minded folks and SEERS, volunteers vetted by EA who had god-like abilities to create role-playing senarios for groups, with special monsters and such. There was a strong sense of community and I've never had more fun in gaming. Then lawsuits forced EA to get rid to the volunteer Seers and GMs and games moved out of the sandbox, where players create much of their own content and games were driven by the developers' mechanics, rather than player imput.
But I was still having fun because I got involved in raiding and had a strong guild and we worked together to conquer difficult content and had a lot of fun doing it. But people who didn't have a strong guild felt understandably left out of the action. Content got easier and now, even though I'm in a guild, the only raiding I do is using LFR and I often feel like I'm playing a solo game. So now I'm playing less and less and starting to wonder if I'm getting my money's worth out of that monthly fee. This article definitely touched on a sore point.
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Come to Age of Wushu. You will never complain about people not being social again.
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Originally posted by Beatnik59
Well I agree it rewards consistency. But I think consistency is social although I am sure you disagree with that. Showing up for a raiding schedule is dedication. Showing up so you can get your team pvp matches in is consistency. I think it breeds socialization though by creating an enviroment where you want to play with familiar players though.
I naturally seek guilds and guild structures though because I feel at home there although I understand the desires of the solo player I feel like way to many games promote soloing so much that a lot of the ties that promote consistenct->socialability->longevity are not there.....and thus games die out.
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Although I agree that the way mmorpgs have changed over the years allowing more flexibility in gameplay has impacted the social game in many/most of them, I think we have to take a hard look at ourselves for the real answer, the devs can only do so much before we have to take responsibility.
Who has been scammed by other players, pretending to be a newb needing help or conversely by pretending to be some great addition to a guild team, then looting your guild house, bank, hall dry. Who has been griefed at some point or another in a game by some higher level offering to help you then leading you into an ambush and then camping your corpse. Who has trusted a high level crafter/merchant to deliver the goods then had some scam perpetrated either by using some exploit or just taking advantage of your trust... the list goes on and on.
For those who have never had the above examples happen to them, have you ever done them to others, deliberately exploited a game mechanic that has negated your fellow player's enjoyment by making their accomplishments worthless(ie made multiples of rare drops) or maybe even just clicked on that one link on a "trusted" website that ended up stealing your passwords/cc #s/life?
Point being, a good community needs to revolve around the basic principle of trusting your "allies" and if even your allies can't be trusted then why in the world would anyone want to put themselves out there in a rl kind of way by adding someone to a linked friends list etc etc. like the current "trend" in games is asking us to do, let alone needing to actually speak to someone who is verbally abusive to anyone in earshot while doing raids/instances?
Don't get me started on making voicechat pretty much compulsory for guilds/grouping, if I wanted to talk out loud, listen to or read someone else cursing about all that's wrong in their world or with the other players or game we're playing I'd log into youtube or just join general chat in pretty much any game. Texting while doing runs may be more difficult but it also makes players plan ahead so you don't need to start screaming at each other during the event itself, plus it helps those true newbs that are doing it for the first time so they will be better should they get invited again.
So in conclusion, it's not just the way mmorpgs have changed the neccessity/opportunities for the social aspect of gaming, it's the gamers themselves that have caused this. Yea, I admit I've been scammed a couple of times as well as harassed when some have found out that I really am female, so now I tend not to trust anyone in games because history has taught me that there's alot of other people that view me as no more than that of a npc, a source of entertainment for them and to hell with me, a real person on the other end of their unsavoury behaviour.
Unfortunately, even though most games say they don't support such behaviour they really do seem to so perhaps that's the first step needed, for games to truly stand by their TOS and if that means losing a few goldsellers that keep adding to their numbers for investors, so be it.
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To all those posters who repeatedly tell us that LFG tools don't harm community, I would recommend you read this well written article. Sadly all too true.
The friendships formed in older MMO's were completely due to the difficulty of the content, the forced grouping and the requirement to sit on the sidelines typing LFG in chat. But once those bonds were forged it became easier and easier to get groups organised as your circle of friends grew. I remember getting to a point in EQ where I would log in and within minutes I would have half a dozen whispers inviting me to join friends in a group somewhere.
I don't even know why modern MMO's have a friends list. Really, what's the point when you solo all the "grind" content and click a few buttons to join a dungeon or raid run?


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CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—The Chattanooga Mocs volleyball team announces the additions of spring signee Hannah Merkle (Parker, Colo.) and freshman transfer Callie Hildebrand (Signal Mountain, Tenn.) to round out the 2013 signing class. With Hildebrand and Merkle added to the roster, six will join the Mocs volleyball family along with Kendall Sexton (Orlando, Fla.), Emily Morrison (Norcross, Ga.), Anne Bachmann (Lincoln, Neb.) and Allie Davenport (Tyrone, Ga.) – all of which signed in November.
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The plan cost bump is a downer for me. Now, i did expect to pay a bit more for 3g. But essentially, if you use SMS (which everyone does these days), it's a 15 dollar a month increase from the old plan. If it were a straight 10 dollars more a month, i think it'd be more 'fair'. Now, i understand 5 dollars a month isn't a whole lot of money, so i'll still be buying into it. But it's more the principle of it and the way Steve Jobs put so much emphasis on making the iPhone 'more affordable' and making no mention at all in the plan changes. Are consumers really that stupid? anyone who couldn't afford an iPhone at 399+60 a month isn't going to be able to afford it at 199+75 a month.
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If you haven't heard, we're planning on giving away an iPhone 3G as soon as it's available. You can find the full details of the contest here, but the short version is this: if you made more than 20 posts1 in our iPhone Forums before July 22nd, we'll enter you in the random drawing. Of course, Apple decided to throw us a curveball by requiring in-store activation -- so we'll either try to buy it the old fashioned way for ya or if push comes to shove we'll get a way for you to get it on your own on our dime. Shame on your Apple.
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You may have noticed this is a Wait-a-Thon post. So it is and here's what we need to know: The new activation requirement isn't all that great? What else isn't all that great? Curved back got ya down? Does the lack of Cut and Paste cut you to the bone? Let us know to enter for the $100 gift card and go register and start chatting in the forums for a chance at the iPhone 3G!
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2 For those of you still waiting on your cards, we'll get them out today (we hope). Turns out iTunes limits the number of Gift Cards you can buy in a
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Thats really true. I was seriously let down by the lack of information that is being put in the fine print now. I currently have a blackberry and I have to pay $30 a month for unlimited web browsing, and i have a separate $30 a month for unlimited texting within my family plan. So theres really no difference to make the change in plans but what gives?! theres tons of people out there who are going to try and sign up, and then run into the charges later on and freak! I think apple made a serious mistake here and AT&T is going to be raking in the profits of the difference. Im waiting to see what happens next.
P.S. this might just be frustration because i just want my iphone already haha
They should have introduced an iphone Pro model at the old $399 price point (since 6 million people or so were willing to pay it) and included some new whiz-bang features:
- higher resolution camera (3-4 megapixel) with video
- more storage - 32GB to start creeping up on the old iPod 5G/video that had 30GB in the base model...in 2005
- solar cells for trickle charging (okay, probably just me, but would have been nice for Al Gore sitting in the front row)
BTW, $30/month for cell data is absurd. I pay $30/month for my home DSL line with 3Mbps down. Maybe this is an opportunity for Verizon to introduce a 'Your Data, Anywhere' plan for $40/month for unlimited data - home DSL or wireless.
Unfortunately, I am really not as excited with the end result. I guess it was all of the hype surrounding the pending release. Really, all we received was 3G. Is that enough for me to abandon my current model.....I am going to say no for the time being.
I was really looking forward to MMS, cut and paste, PRIVACY when texting(because it's ridiculous that the message pops up with so much information attached) Treat text messages like EMAILS Apple!!!
I am hoping that within 6 months they come out with a savvy model that blows this affordable crap away.
Handing all the power back over to AT&T is a REAL bummer. It is such a pain in the butt. Everytime I change phones (with an accompanying change in plans), it is painful. Also, with the change in plan pricing, the phone got MORE EXPENSIVE!!
Here's the BIG question: if you buy a 1st gen iPhone NOW and want to activate NOW, can you still get the old plan??
I think that the 3G iPhone is great, however theres is almost no improvement to the original phone. Except for the 3G and GPS, there's almost nothing different. Therefore I think that the new iPhone is a great phone to buy as your first iPhone, but there are not enough reasons to upgrade if you own a 1st gen iPhone, like me.
I was hoping that the display might be a tad bigger than the current iPhone, but I really like what I have seen so far. I am disappointed that I have to wait another month to get it though. I think the features I like the most are the MS Exchange and GPS options. I also don't like that they raised the pricing for the plans, but what can you do?
I'm also disappointed with the data price bump. Even with the $200 (or so) subsidy, if you figure that AT&T no longer has to revenue share with Apple from the data plan, you'd think AT&T could easily afford to keep the $20 data plan. If SMS is no longer included, that is another little slap in the face.
I'm even more disappointed in the fact that if I get an iPhone 3G, I won't be eligible for the subsidized price on next year's new iPhone because it won't have been 2 years yet. But I might just get a new one anyway.
Dyvim, this is exactly what I bet apple is expecting. Minimal upgrade volume from current iphone users (maybe 20-30% who are data hungry) with the expectation that 1G users convert to the iPhone 3.0 in another year. Kind of like a mid-cycle refresh for automobiles - generally the body and all stay the same with some minor tweaks to styling, new wheels, maybe another 5-8hp from the engine - in order to keep it fresh enough to attract new buyers while you work on the true 'new' model. Pretty smart strategy considering the R&D investment that went into iphone 1.0 must have been tremendous.
Should we talk about what we will see in iphone 3.0? Solar cells, video, even higher-res screen (perhaps slightly larger) and a new iphone nano to make two distinct models. Will probably parallel the ipod development / adoption plan that worked pretty well for apple. Not looking forward to long-rumored iphone shuffle.
A couple things aren't all that great. I don't like the plastic back. I like the look and feel of the original iPhone. The price is great, but I also don't like the increase in the monthly data plan. I guess that is a necessary evil.
The new data pricing sucks. $10 more a month might be reasonable but I keep thinking of all the people that don't live in a 3G area that will be paying monthly for an extra service that they may never or very seldom ever get to use. Maybe the extra $10 a month will to to subsidize the Free Wi-Fi for iPhone users. Oh wait, do we even know if AT&T will be doing the Free Wi-Fi for sure? It's on then it's off and there just isn't a clear answer to what they're up too with that.
The physical product changes are just not significant enough for me to upgrade and pay the extra monthly fees.
Cut & paste, MMS, Tasks, and Note syncing would all been really appreciated features. I'm also annoyed by the new power adapter. It's silly I know, but what I liked about the current adapter is the retractable prongs so I don't have to constantly keep bending them back into shape.
All that being said I will probably upgrade, in a year, when my current contract expires. Then we will be on iPhone 3G 2.0 (4G?) and we'll finally have everything we desire. Pinch me before I start believing that.
I cant say Im surprised at the specs of the new iphone 3g. I figuered it would have 3g and GPS but everything else was kinda up in the air. The only thing im upset about is storage. I thought for sure they would release a 32 gig model yesterday. Oh well, you can still put me down for an iphone (white or black doesnt make a difference...my phone will be in a case from day 1).
@carsly - that's an interesting point and I think its pretty valid. i only hope that ill be able to get the third iteration of the iphone (probably next year around this time) even though ill only be a year into a 2 year contract. I heard that ATT is allowing current iphone users to upgrade to the iphone 3g without extending their contract. this adds further credence to the idea of a radically new iphone in 2009.
Im rather disappointed in the fact that there is no MMS and no A2DP in this version. Yes, GPS is nice, as is 3g and better battery. I still think they should have done more. Hopefully there will be some stellar apps to make up for it.
Less plastic and more brushed metals please
@Victor, exactly what I was thinking... the plastic just cheapens the device in my opinion.
I'm afraid they got me starting at minute 21 of the WWDC video replay...the unbelievable software demoes, particularly the medical software, proved this was going to be the business device of choice within the next year. You will have to have the 3g model to make the best use of it, so I don't care what they left out (what's so hard about cut&paste though).
I've been reading conflicting reports about that in-store activation thing. For instance, tuaw has a link to an AP report that indicates that AT&T may slap a penalty on phones that are not activated within 30 days, which means that it wouldn't be activated when it leaves the store.
Keep in mind that this in-store activation news is coming from AT&T, not Apple, and they weren't the best source of iPhone information this time last year.
I could gripe about a lot of things with the new iPhone. Since 1) I don't own the old one yet; 2) my contract with Sprint PCS just expired and 3) My 2nd generation iPod gave way a few weeks back I'm simply going to be elated when I get an iPhone next month. Let's face it Apple is executing on their plan, not our plan. We'll get a ton of goodies in the future. For now, I'll be in heaven with a new iPod (best ever made), a real browser on a phone in 3G (my current phone is 3G, browser - not so much) and now amazing applications that my current phone simply can't touch. So if you're in Raleigh, NC next month you'll know you've seen me because I'll be ignoring the world around me with a smile on my face because I'll have everything I need.
I was hoping for a better bluetooth support, A2DP would be great. We can still hope that those features are there, just not announced however.
I was just on the apple web site and noticed that they are calling the price bump the "enterprise data plan" . Does this mean that if current users want to employ the enterprise data on their phone once they download 2.0 that AT&T will somehow require you to upgrade to the new data plan????
I think they could have added MMS and a better camera. (Yay for contact search though!) Those were the biggest things besides 3G I was hoping for. The in-store activation isn't a big deal for me, hopefully they'll have some sort of pin number or SIM card and won't make you open the box on your shiny new iPhone. Everyone needs to stop hating on the white iPhone, seriously, I like it. Also, really not digging the $30 data plan, I'd rather have paid $500 for the device and kept it at $20. Shame on you AT&T and Apple! (You can't see but I'm shaking my fist!)
in store activations?? what is up with that???? i'm so disappointed. and no video conferencing.. BUMMER. i'm having second thoughts about getting the 3G iphone now. hopefully things comes together and everyone is happy.
To buy this based on "future" apps that may or may not come out is crazy. I think I will be holding off until I see the apps that I want available. I was a little less than impressed with the end result, especially with all the hype leading up to the launch. But that is what you get when you have set the bar so high, everyone wants HUGE leaps every generation.
I love the idea on the contest. Thanks!!
Frankly, the in-store activation is a slap in the face. Why do we get treated like we are going to do something wrong... like we're little kids,,, while the rest of the world gets free iPhone's with pay-as-you-go? Makes no sense.
First off, a postive: I'm VERY excited about the Chinese input, especially the one that lets you write the characters. My Chinese writing ability suffers because I'm always typing it with pinyin (Romanized) input, so I forget how to write a lot of the characters—this will be a great (and fun!) way to build that back up again.
Now for negatives—the main one for me is lack of copy and paste. I still don't get why Apple hasn't implemented this yet—it would make so many things on the iPhone so much more convenient. And, while a method of implementation that is easy for people to grasp is not easy to build, isn't that what Apple does? I mean, come on.
I can't believe ATT will prevent us from purchasing Iphone 3g as a gift (which would preclude activating it in the store at purchase time)! I
t's not that I want to jailbreak it and avoid a contract with ATT; it's that I don't like ATT assuming all buyers want to get around the contract. It's insulting!
well a i have been waiting for this all year but i cant afford it and mum wont pay for me so please help me i need this phone heaps cause i am sick of running down the street too the libary too get a book when the apple iphone has everythhing i want so please please please kk gtg mwa xoxoxo
I was hoping the display would be bigger than the iPhone that's out now. I like it so far. I wish it didn't have as much plastic though. It makes it seem cheap!
I've always liked round backs. For some reason it makes me feel comfortable. It's like a chubby lover once said: "fat chicks are great fun until your friends find out about them."
The iPhone 3G is the newest revolutionary device out their. Although i was hoping for a replacable battery, and a video recorder with flash, no other iphone remakes come close to this. With my iPod touch i can surf the web with Wi-Fi and is faster than both iPhones, yet i can only use it at home. For all i know, the next iPhone could have a projector on it to display your videos and pictures on a bigger screen.