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- Willamette
- Atkinson Graduate School of Management
- Student Handbooks
- Early Career & Career Change MBA
- 2013-2014 Student Handbook
- BA/MBA Graduation Requirements and Academic Regulations
MBA Student Handbook - BA/MBA Graduation Requirements and Academic Regulations
The following information applies to BA/MBA students enrolled in the Atkinson School.
Concurrent Enrollment of BA/MBA Students
BA/MBA students may be concurrently enrolled in CLA and the Atkinson School during the first year of MBA study. BA/MBA students who are concurrently enrolled will take a minimum of four MBA courses during the fall semester of the first year of MBA study, and a minimum of four MBA courses during the spring semester of the first year of MBA study. MBA courses and credits not completed during the first year of MBA study must be completed during the second year of MBA study.
First year BA/MBA students who need to postpone a fall semester MBA core course to complete CLA requirements, will generally postpone GSM 5101 (1.5 credits) and GSM 5102 (1.5 credits): "Managing Organizations" until fall semester of the second-year of MBA study. For the 2013-2014 academic, some BA/MBA students will postpone the course GSM 5107: Marketing: Creating Satisfied Customers instead of Managing Organizations.
First year BA/MBA students who need to postpone a spring semester MBA course to complete CLA requirements, should postpone an elective course until the second-year of MBA study.
At the end of the first year of MBA study, first year BA/MBA students who have successfully completed all College of Liberal Arts graduation requirements (including successful completion of MBA credits required for completion of the BA degree) are awarded the Bachelor of Arts degree.
During the second year of MBA study, BA/MBA students complete the second year required courses, the elective component of the MBA degree and any remaining MBA first year course requirements. BA/MBA students who have met all graduation requirements for the BA and MBA programs are awarded the MBA after the second year of MBA study.
BA/MBA Graduation and Program Requirements
Each BA/MBA student is responsible for a thorough knowledge of graduation requirements. The Willamette MBA for Business, Government and Not-for-Profit Management will be conferred on BA/MBA students who satisfactorily complete all of the following requirements listed below within the policies and regulations of the Atkinson School:
- Minimum Credits Required: BA/MBA students must satisfactorily complete a minimum of complete sixty (60) credits of approved MBA course work. The sixty (60) credits for BA/MBA students includes thirty-nine (39) credits of required courses (including credits from the required internship and experiential elective courses) and twenty-one (21) credits of additional elective course work.
- Required courses: The thirty-nine (39) credits of required courses includes a combination of first and second year courses as listed below. Generally, required courses numbered 5000 or above will be completed in the first-year of MBA study and required courses numbered 6000 or above will be completed in the second-year of MBA study.
|Managing Organizations - Individuals, Teams and Human Resources
|Managing Organizations - Design and Change
|Data Analysis, Modeling & Decision Making
|Accounting for Managers
|Marketing: Creating Satisfied Consumers
|PACE I: Consulting for Not-for-Profit & Government Organizations, & Achieving Your Career Goals
|PACE II: Consulting for Not-for-Profit & Government Organizations, & Developing an Entrepreneurial Venture
|Economics, Finance & Markets
|Operations & Systems Management
|Politics & Public Policy for Managers
|Leading Ethical, Socially Responsible & Sustainable Organizations
|Strategic Management
|Experiential Elective
|Internships for Management I
- Required Experiential Elective: A minimum of three (3) credits from Experiential Elective courses is required for graduation. Experiential Elective courses are special elective courses that include a project with a form of external evaluation. Experiential Elective courses are designated by the faculty and are identified on the schedule of classes. Students can take more than one Experiential Elective if they choose.
- Required GSM 7251 Internships for Management: BA/MBA students are required to complete GSM 7251 Internships for Management as shown in the table above. The internship course is generally completed during the summer between the first and second year of study.
- Elective courses: BA/MBA students are required to complete twenty-one (21) credits of elective course work in addition to the required Internship (3 credits) and experiential elective (3 credits) required for graduation.
Generally, three to six (3-6) credits of elective course work will be completed during spring semester of the first-year of MBA study and the remaining credits of elective course work will be completed during the second-year of MBA study.
- IKEWs: BA/MBA students must satisfactorily complete the IKEW requirement of the MBA program.
- Good Standing: BA/MBA candidates for graduation must have a cumulative Atkinson School grade point average of 3.00 (B) or higher, comply with requirements determined by the School's faculty, and be in Good Standing within all policies of the Atkinson School and Willamette University
- Maximum Credits from Pass/Fail, Pass/No-Pass, Transfer and Waived Courses: A maximum of twenty-one (21) credits from Pass/Fail and/or Pass/No-Pass course work, waived credits or transfer credits may be applied toward the 60 credit graduation requirement. Credits may be applied from a combination of courses/credits within the limits listed below, and may not exceed a total of twenty-one (21) credits. Credits from "GSM7261G - Global Study and International Experience" are not counted toward the limits described below.
- A maximum of fifteen (15) credits may be applied from International Exchange.
- A maximum of six (6) credits may be applied from a combination of Internship for Management, Independent Study and Research courses.
- A maximum of six (6) credits may be applied from GSM 6290 Foreign Language.
- A maximum of six (6) credits may be applied from a combination of approved transfer course work and Atkinson School courses waived for credit.
- GSM 6000-6099 credit limit: A maximum of six (6) credits of elective courses numbered GSM 6000-6099 may be applied toward the 60 credit MBA graduation requirement. Course titles for GSM 6000-6099 vary with current topics.
- Course exception for students who go on exchange for fall semester: Atkinson students who are selected for a fall semester International Exchange program and successfully complete the full requirements for the GSM exchange course will be waived from the second year required course "GSM 6121: Politics and Public Policy for Managers." This is a substitution waiver and does not reduce the 60 credits required for graduation.
- Maximum time to complete degree: The candidate must complete the MBA degree within six (6) years from date of initial enrollment in the degree program.
- Submit petition for degree: Candidates for graduation must submit a "petition for degree" at the beginning of their final semester in the MBA program.
- Completion of all MBA and BA graduation requirements: BA/MBA students must meet all academic regulations and graduation requirements governing the MBA program unless specifically described in these regulations. BA/MBA degree candidates must have also completed all graduation requirements of the BA degree as stipulated by the undergraduate degree granting institution to be eligible for MBA graduation from the Atkinson School.
- Other regulations: Regulations governing related CLA courses and all MBA courses shall apply unless they are inconsistent with these BA/MBA degree regulations.
- Curricular changes: In the event the curriculum is changed or graduation requirements are otherwise altered, the rules in effect at the time of the student's entry to the program will apply unless otherwise stated.
Academic Regulations
Good Standing
All students must maintain 'Good Standing' for continued enrollment and graduation. "Good Standing" is defined as adhering to the academic policies, standards of conduct and financial policies of the Atkinson School and Willamette University.
Good Academic Standing
All students must maintain a cumulative Atkinson School grade point average of 3.00 (B) or better and make satisfactory progress toward degree completion to be in "Good Academic Standing."
Full-time and Part-time Enrollment Status
BA/MBA students who are enrolled in nine (9) or more credits of graduate level course work in a given semester are considered full-time students. BA/MBA students enrolled in one (1) to eight (8) credits of graduate level course work in any semester are considered part-time students. All academic and conduct regulations of Willamette University and the Atkinson School govern full-time and part-time students
It is the responsibility of the instructor to assign grades. The Atkinson School uses a letter grade system consisting of seven regular grades. Their grade point values are:
Other grades in the Atkinson School MBA grading system are listed below. Each grade shown below has specific requirements and implications.
|Pass for a Pass/Fail course or Pass/No-Pass
|No Pass for a Pass/No-Pass course
|Grade pending continuation of a full-year course
|Withdrawal from course
Regulations Regarding "I" Grades
A grade of Incomplete (I) may be assigned at the discretion of the professor for any course to indicate that all work has been completed except a final exam or an assignment given by the instructor. If more than a final exam or assignment is required to complete a course, it is necessary to withdraw from the course.
"I" grades must be cleared from the transcript by completion of the course work during the next regular academic semester. Failure to clear an "I" before the end of the following semester will result in the "I" becoming a grade of "F.".
It is the student's responsibility to take the initiative and stay in contact with the faculty member of the course for which the "I" grade was received. It is also the student's responsibility to complete the requirements within the one semester time limit as described above.
If a student formally withdraws from school before the end of the following semester, the "I" grade will not be converted to an "F". However, the student must complete the course by the end of the first semester in which they return to the Atkinson School.
Regulations Regarding "F" Grades
"F" grades are calculated in the grade point average and result in zero credits earned toward graduation.
A student who receives an "F" in a required course must repeat the course and earn a grade of "C" or higher in the repeated course. A student who receives an "F" grade in an elective course may repeat the course.
When a course is repeated, both the "F" grade and the grade received in the repeated course appear on the transcript, and both grades are calculated in the grade point average.
"F" grades have very serious consequences. A student anticipating an "F" in a course is advised to withdraw from the course prior to the last scheduled class meeting of the course.
Grade Changes
Changes in grades recorded on a transcript are permitted only under the following conditions:
- Error by the instructor in computing or reporting a grade
- Completion of work in a course for which the grade of "I" has been recorded
- Administrative error in the reporting or recording of a grade.
Grade Appeal
The Atkinson School has a formal grade appeal process (described below). Students who want to use the formal grade appeal process as their first step are encouraged to do so. Students who want to use a more informal process as their first step are encouraged to communicate directly with the professor, and/or the Associate Dean/Director of Admission. If the issue is not resolved at the informal level, the next step for the student would be to begin the formal grade appeal process.
Formal Grade Appeal Process: The first step of a specific course grade appeal must be for the student to take the issue to the instructor in question or to the chairperson of Atkinson School's Student Affairs Committee (SAC). If the faculty member involved with the grade appeal is the chairperson of the SAC, the student may take the issue to the chairperson of the previous year.
If the issue is not resolved to the student's satisfaction at this level of appeal, the student can submit two (2) copies of his/her appeal in writing to the Associate Dean/Director of Admission, who will then distribute them as follows: one (1) copy to the Student Affairs Committee (SAC) Chair and one (1) copy to the instructor involved.
Written grade appeals must reach the Associate Dean/Director of Admission within forty-five (45) days following the general notification of grades, otherwise the grade will stand as posted and no further appeal will be available. It is the Associate Dean/Director of Admission's responsibility to notify both the SAC Chairperson and the instructor in question about the appeal.
Upon receipt of the written appeal, the SAC Chairperson will make a written request for the involved instructor's position, also to be submitted in writing. The SAC Executive Committee will then meet to review and discuss all appeal particulars, including but not limited to interviewing the parties involved in the appeal. If a conflict of interest arises within the SAC Executive Committee, the SAC Chairperson will replace the said compromised individual with an ad-hoc member of similar standing.
The process of appeal will occur during the semester (fall or spring) following the initial filing of the appeal. The appeal process is complete when the SAC reaches a consensual decision and the said decision is rendered in writing and distributed to the student and to the instructor in question.
If either party is dissatisfied with the Committee's decision, they may make a written appeal to the Dean, whose decision is final and binding.
Core Course Waivers
Credit Waiver vs Substitute Waiver: There are two types of core course waivers - the "Credit Waiver" and the "Substitution Waiver." Both waiver options are designed to help students work at advanced levels of study and get the most from their Willamette MBA education.
A "Credit Waiver" automatically applies credits from a waived core course toward graduation requirements and does not require a substitute course. A "Substitution Waiver" requires a specific elective course to replace the waived core course, and credits from the waived core course do not apply toward graduation.
Maximum of 6 credits from a combination of waived and transferred courses: Eligible MBA students are limited to a maximum of six (6) credits from a combination of approved Credit Waivers or transferred course work. There is no limit to the number of core courses which can be waived via a Substitution Waiver. Students on academic probation are not eligible for course waivers.
Waiver criteria: The criteria for granting a waiver for a core course are determined by the faculty member responsible for the course, and based on an assessment of whether the student meets the academic requirements for waiving the course. Students who waive a core course are responsible for the content of the waived course as it is applied in other MBA core and elective courses.
- GSM 5103 - Data Analysis, Modeling and Decision Making
Students who have a strong background in data analysis who are interested in a Substitute Waiver for GSM 5103 should talk to Professor Robert Walker at the beginning of fall semester. Students who receive the substitute waiver will enroll in GSM 6216 - Business and Economic Forecasting instead of GSM 5103 during fall semester.
- GSM 5105 - Accounting for Managers
Students who have completed a course in Financial Accounting with a minimum grade of 3.0 (B), a course in Cost or Management Accounting with a minimum grade of 3.0 (B), and have a cumulative undergraduate GPA of 3.0 or better may be eligible to substitute an approved upper division accounting course for the core course Accounting for Managers. Qualified students must contact Professor Pierson during Compass Week to review their waiver options.
- GSM 5101 and GSM 5102 - Managing Organizations
Students who have completed ALL of the following may be eligible for a Credit Waiver for GSM 5101 (1.5 credits) and 5102 (1.5 credits): a bachelor degree in business from an AACSB accredited program within five years of entry to the Atkinson School with a major in Organizational Behavior, Organization Theory or Human Resources; six or more undergraduate courses in HRM/Personnel (including course work in ethics) and earned a minimum grade of 3.0 (B) in each course; four or more junior/senior level courses in Organizational Behavior, Organization Theory, Leadership or Decision Making with a minimum grade of 3.0 (B) in each course; and have a cumulative undergraduate GPA of 3.0 or better. Qualified students should contact Judy O'Neill before the first week of fall semester.
- GSM 5107 - Marketing - Creating Satisfied Consumers
Students who have completed six credits or more of undergraduate course work in marketing with a minimum grade of B (3.0) in each of the marketing courses, have a cumulative GPA of B+ (3.3) or better in all marketing course work, and a cumulative undergraduate GPA of 3.0 (B) or higher may be eligible for a Substitution Waiver. Students granted a substitution waiver for GSM 5107 are required to complete either "GSM 6260 - Research for Marketing Decisions" or "GSM 6261 Marketing Strategy" in place of GSM 5107. Qualified students should contact Judy O'Neill before the first week of fall semester.
- GSM 5108 and GSM 5109 - PACE I and II
GSM 5108 and GSM 5109 cannot be waived.
- GSM 5110 - Economics, Finance and Markets
All students who seek a waiver for GSM 5110 must talk with the professor who will be teaching the course during spring semester. To qualify for a review by the professor, the student must have completed an undergraduate course in Intermediate Micro, Intermediate Macro, and Corporate Finance course in the U.S. with grades of "B" or better in each course and a cumulative undergraduate GPA of 3.0 (B) or higher. In addition, a student seeking a waiver must familiarize himself or herself with the syllabus of GSM 5110 and explain why he or she has already learned the course material. The finance professors also strongly recommend students seeking a waiver attend the first class meeting of GSM 5110 before making a final decision.
- GSM 5114 - Operations and Systems Management
All students who seek a waiver for GSM 5114 must contact Professor Henry Bi before the beginning of spring semester to discuss the waiver process.
Transfer Credits
BA/MBA students may be eligible to apply a maximum of six (6) semester credits of graduate MBA course work earned from another university or college toward the MBA degree.
Grades earned in courses transferred to the MBA program are not used in calculating the student's grade point average. Students should also be aware that quarter credits and semester credits are not equal; six semester credits are equal to nine quarter credits.
Students are limited to a maximum of six (6) semester credits from a combination of approved transfer courses and courses waived for credit.
Students on academic probation (with a cumulative GPA less than 3.00) are not eligible for transfer credits.
Graduate Course Work Completed at Willamette University College of Law during Enrollment at the Atkinson School:MBA candidates who are not candidates for the MBA/JD joint degree may be eligible to receive elective credits for courses completed at the Willamette University College of Law as part of the maximum six (6) semester credits eligible for transfer or waived credits. Effective beginning the Spring 2014 semester, MBA students who take courses at the College of Law will be graded on a Honors/Credit/No Credit basis and not within the the typical curve of the JD program. If you have questions about the grading policy, please contact the Law School's Office of Student Affairs.
Transfer of credits from the W.U. College of Law to the MBA program is governed by all of the following regulations:
- Up to six (6) semester credits of elective course work required for the MBA degree may be transferred from the Willamette University College of Law for College of Law course work completed with a grade of "Honors," "C", "Credit," or better
- Willamette College of Law courses completed with grades below "C" or grades of "No Credit" are not eligible for transfer to the MBA program
- Grades earned in law courses will not be used in calculating the MBA grade point average
- Courses in the College of Law may not be taken by Atkinson students prior to the semester in which the student will have completed at least 24 hours of first year courses. If during that semester any MBA course is dropped, the law course must also be dropped at that time.
- MBA students who have waived six credits of core course work are eligible to transfer credits from the College of Law.
- Students on academic probation (with a cumulative GPA less than 3.00) are not eligible for transfer credits from the College of Law.
Students enrolling in elective course work at the College of Law should be aware of the attendance policy governing all College of Law courses that requires minimum attendance at 75% of regularly scheduled class hours. A student who does not satisfy this minimum, regardless of reason, at any point during the semester, will be dismissed from the College of Law course. Dismissal will be noted on the student's College of Law transcript. College of Law instructors may also impose a stricter attendance policy and additional sanctions for non-attendance, if students are informed at the start of the course of the instructor's attendance rules.
Graduate Course Work Completed At Other Colleges or Universities during Enrollment in the Atkinson School: BA/MBA students may be eligible to transfer pre-approved elective credits earned from another university as part of the maximum allowable six semester credits eligible for transfer courses or waived credits.
Students on academic probation (with a cumulative GPA less than 3.00) are not eligible for transfer credits.
Credit for approved transfer course work will be entered on the transcript as credit toward graduation but will not be calculated into the GPA. Only credits completed with a grade of "B" or higher will apply toward the MBA degree. The combination of transferred credits from other universities and waived credits cannot exceed six (6) semester credits.
A student desiring to take graduate course work at a college or university other than Willamette University must submit a written request for transfer credits to the Associate Dean/Director of Admission at least six (6) weeks prior to beginning the outside course (s). The written request must include a copy of the course syllabus and will be reviewed for transfer by the Associate Dean. Guidelines for evaluating requests for transfer are:
- The student must provide evidence that the course is not available through the Atkinson School curriculum, including independent study.
- The student must provide evidence the requested course enhances his or her educational program and career plans.
- The course must be a graduate level elective course.
- The quality of the offering institution, program, and instruction is to be considered as well as the course content and level.
Upon completion of approved transfer credits, the student must provide the Atkinson School recorder an official transcript from the transfer institution. The Recorder will evaluate and convert the credits to Atkinson School semester credits. (Note: quarter credits and semester credits are not equal: 3 quarter credits equal 2 semester credits; 6 quarter credits equal 4 semester credits; 9 quarter credits equal 6 semester credits.)
Requests for Exceptions to Academic Policies or Procedures
Students requesting an exception to academic policies or procedures must submit a written request and rationale for the request. The proposal should be directed to the Associate Dean/Director of Admission (email firstname.lastname@example.com) who will confer with the Senior Associate Dean for a decision. The following are required of all written proposals.
- The student must explain the request in detail
- The student must provide information about any discussion or tentative agreements that may have occurred between the student and a faculty member (if any)
- If a tentative agreement has already been made with a faculty member, the student must provide the signature of the faculty member involved or the faculty member must send an email directly to the Associate Dean/Director of Admission discussing their level of support for the proposal and any other comments or suggestions
- The student must state a clear rationale for the request as to why it is the best alternative for their educational and career goals
If the proposal is not approved, the Associate Dean/Director of Admission will notify the student via email.
If the proposal is tentatively approved, the student must complete an interview (in person or on the telephone) with the Associate Dean/Director of Admission to discuss the implications and regulations governing the requested exception and any future implications of the exception.
Following the interview, the student must sign in writing that they understand and accept the exception that has been made and the conditions and regulations governing the exception. The signature is required for the exception to be implemented. Failure to provide a written statement accepting the conditions and regulations governing an exception voids any tentatively approved exception to policy or procedures.
Students should note that the following basic requirements of the MBA degree are never modified:
- Satisfactory completion of the minimum number of credits required for graduation
- Satisfactory completion of required courses (or substitute courses approved by the Senior Associate Dean)
- Minimum cumulative grade point average of 3.00 in Willamette MBA course work


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AT&T giving away 1000 bonus rollover minutes to customers
Great news if you are a big talker and have an iPhone on the AT&T network. AT&T has started sending out text messages offering you 1000 free rollover minutes. All you have to do is reply with the word "Yes" and the extra minutes will be added to your account.
Sounds too good to be true. To get your minutes added just make sure your reply to the text message before the closing date of September 7. Also if you don't receive the text message, try sending a text saying "Yes" to 11113020, you may be lucky and get a response confirming your in!
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AT&T giving away 1000 bonus rollover minutes to customers
Cheaper plan with less minutes, would be more useful to me.
This is the second time that they have done this. We currently have 14,000 unused rollover minutes. We don't need any more. How about $100 off our bill?? :)
Agree. Would be nice. Maybe some of those paid services for free.
I personally love the free minutes as I have a 450 plan, and now have over 2000 rollover minutes thanks to att. Started new job last month, went 600 minutes over, bill was the same.
I received the text on my AT&T Pre Plus as well. 1000 free rollover minutes is good for me. I use the 450 Plan with free mobile to mobile calls. I talk to my counterparts at the distributors I work with on cell phones so that's cool. When I call my dental customers, that's on landline. Thanks AT&T. As competition increases, the plans will change. I came to AT&T from Sprint to get the Pre Plus. I asked for Mobile to Mobile mins. With inquiries from the customer base and those great Dan Hesse commercials distinguishing Sprint true unlimited talk from Verizon and AT&T, we all got a break on our minutes when we call any cell phone. If the rumor of Sprint getting iPhone 5 is true, AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint are going to start doing a lot of good things for us all.
Oh cool!!! Thanks so much! I hope to be able to use them . . . when I have freakin' connectivity . . . or in between calls when they drop . . . or even yet when I call back 4 hours after they left me a message, which I get 4 hours after they left it . . .
AT&T probably fails to tell you that your giving up your unlimited data when you select yes! HAHAHA
I just downgraded my plan to save a little extra cash per month cuz I dont really talk on it. Had 10k rollovers so it would be nice to have a little extra since I lost majority of them.
THANK YOU Cody & TiPb!!!
Since there is ample evidence that they are abusing iPhone users' data plans with dummy messages sent from iPhones while the owners are asleep, this sounds like a ploy to distract from the impending class action law suit. I'm annoyed I didn't get this offer when my daughter's iPhone has indeed sent bogus data messages for 3 months straight before I suspended it, each resulting in a $15 charge for exceeding data usage. I was able to confirm that she had NOT used the data I was charged for. AT&T has some serious trouble brewing.
i have unlimited text so this is only useful if i call a ton of land lines cause with text i get unlimited mobile calling on any network .and i have about 3000 rollover ,thanks anyways
ridiculous. i've got over 2000 rollover minutes - why in the world would i need more that i won't use? AT&T, I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but give us something we can actually use - like less grumbling when we use the unlimited data plan we actually pay for, instead of trying to reduce our transfer rates. Or how about more reliable service and faster internet speed? this is like offering oprah $5 rebates when she goes to the store to buy new toothbrushes.
I just checked my plan: Rollover minutes = "0 of 8881 used"; seriously, can they PLEASE just stop draining my data so I get billed $30 a month when I almost NEVER use the internet, even at home on wifi? If I knew they would do this, I NEVER NEVER NEVER would have cancelled my unlimited data plan! We were paying $90 a month for unlimited plans that weren't being used, and I had no idea the data would suddenly be "used" despite the fact that no one changed any habits! I currently have a $220 bill for 3 phones, 1 of which has the service suspended, 2 of which are barely used for anything but texting on ONE, and that bill is AFTER I get a discount for being a teacher! AT&T, you must be smokin' something. I'm ready to get some carrier pigeons.

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Monday, January 14, 2013
The Summerville boys got out to a fast start Friday and never looked back as they earned a 78-33 win over Berkeley.
This was just a great team win, Summerville coach Greg Elliott said. Everybody played and everybody contributed. In our first three games we really didnt have any hostility, but I thought we did tonight. Im pleased with our intensity and we rebounded much better tonight.
John Jenkins hit a three-pointer with 3:52 remaining in the opening period to give the Green Wave an 11-2 lead. Berkeley gained some momentum at the end of the period, pulling within 11 on a three-pointer by Jaudin Brown at the buzzer.
But Summerville got 3s from Jenkins and Brandon Wilkerson early in the second to pull out to a 15-point lead. The Wave entered the half up 40-17.
Summerville then did a good job of shutting the door, taking a 63-30 lead into the final period.
Summervilles Tyler Palmer also hit a shot from behind the arc. Berkeley sank six 3s in the game to account for more than half of its points, but Summerville shot 55 percent from the floor.
Wilkerson finished with 16 points to lead all scorers. Both Jenkins and Christian Kalacanic chipped in 15 for Summerville while Timmy Singleton finished with 12.
The Stags were led by DAndre Richardson, who scored 11 points. Jayden Brown chipped in 10 points for Berkeley.
Summerville improved to 4-0 on the season with the win while Berkeley fell to 0-4.
The Wave traveled to Wando Tuesday after press time for a rematch and will host another rematch with Military Magnet Friday.
Berkeley (33): Jayden Brown 10, DAndre Richardson 11, Mason Edwards 5, Jamarl Francis 2, Molik Meggett 5
Summerville (78): John Jenkins 15, Brandon Wilkerson 16, Christian Kalacanic 15, Timmy Singleton 12, Tyler Palmer 9, Chris McKinnon 2, Xavier Robinson 4, Malcolm Holland 2, Dre Cobb 1, Isaiah Kinloch 2
Berkeley 8 9 13 333
Summerville 19 21 23 1578
Records: Berkeley 0-4. Summerville 4-0.
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The star of Channel 4's 'Stand Up For The Week', 'Last Leg with Adam Hills' and BBC1's 'Live At The Apollo', Josh Widdicombe continues to tour his critically acclaimed show 'Josh Widdicombe: The Further Adventures Of…' in Spring 2013.
'Further Adventure of…' deals with Josh's inability to embrace adventure in his life, and his continued frustration with everything he comes into contact with. Unable to relax and enjoy life, Josh has instead decided it is everyone else that is at fault for his lack of enthusiasm for leaving the house.
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One of the best up-and-coming comedians on the UK circuit, Josh Widdicombe is in constant demand at clubs and theatres across Britain. He is also fast establishing himself on the live circuit, regularly supporting huge comic talent such as Alan Carr, Kevin Bridges and Michael McIntyre. Star of BBC2's 'The Rob Brydon Show', Channel 4's 'Stand Up For The Week' and '8 Out Of 10 Cats', Josh was also nominated for Fosters Edinburgh Comedy Awards Best Newcomer 2011 and Chortle Best Breakthrough Act in 2011. He was also FHM Stand-Up Hero 2010.
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Local bands, KISS FM to raise money for International Boxing ClubWritten by Jordan Finney | | firstname.lastname@example.com
Three local bands will perform during a benefit concert called the Spotlight Artist Showcase to raise money for the International Boxing Club (IBC) in Oregon, at 6 p.m. June 14.
The showcase, co-hosted by 92.5 KISS FM and IBC, will feature Harbours, The Eight Fifteens and The Last Born Sons.
"This will be our first live show together as a band and we're very excited to launch with this project," said Matt Beier, guitarist for Harbours. "I know the other bands who are participating, too, and they are fantastic. It's just a nice opportunity for us to get out and showcase what we've done creatively."
KISS FM's morning show, The Morning Rush, has hosted dozens of local music artists, bands and DJs on Fridays for more than a year. However, the Spotlight Artist Showcase will be its first concert.
"It's usually one quick song and an interview on Friday. This is a full-blown show with three live sets and all the proceeds — except for sound equipment expenses — go straight to the boxing club," said Jodi Szczublewski, promotions director at Clear Channel Media and Entertainment.
IBC is a Toledo-based organization that engages disadvantaged 8- to 20-year-olds in their studies by using amateur boxing and boxercise "as a hook to get kids into the building and off the streets," according to its website. Since its founding in 1998, IBC has helped more than 4,000 at-risk youth.
"We're trying to develop champions in life," said Harry Cummins III, IBC's founder and executive director. "These kids have a future in our community and we can't turn our backs on them. They don't have anywhere to go. As adults, we need to support them and send the message that they can get out of their neighborhoods and current lifestyle. It's key just to show that we do care as a community."
Cummins said that IBC's program costs about $165,000 annually and helps an average of 160 local youth every year. The program does not cost anything for participants, but requires them to meet IBC's academic standards.
"Got to keep the grades up to put the boxing gloves on," Cummins said. "Watching them grow up and graduate makes you so proud. I'm blessed to have these kids."
In addition to academic services, such as a free tutoring program with University of Toledo's Honors college, IBC provides vocational training and community service opportunities for its participants.
"Our drummer actually trains at the International Boxing Club so this is very exciting for us as a band," said Josh Whitney, guitarist for The Eight Fifteens. "We love to do charity events. It's our pleasure to help other people by giving back and if we can provide entertainment, too, then it's a double whammy."
DJ 3PM, aka local artist Casey Clark, will open Saturday's show at 6 p.m. The bands kick off at 7 p.m. and each will play for about 45 minutes, with DJ 3PM spinning tunes between each set.
Szczublewski said she hopes to see a crowd of about 300 people and would consider making this an annual event to raise money for IBC.
Alcohol, food and band merchandise will be available for purchase at the concert, which is open to all those 21 and older. Tickets cost $15 at the door and $10 in advance at 925kissfm.com/showcase.
"We're all stoked about it," said Kyle Smithers, bassist for The Last Born Sons. "It's cool just because we're playing with guys we've known in town. It's just fun to do showcases like this where we can all work together for the Toledo music scene and make a contribution for charity, too."
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He and his TV family may have gone missing on 1965's "Lost in Space," but former child star Bill Mumy has stuck to a creative path since the show's 1968 cancellation.
The 59-year-old actor, musician and writer spoke with Toledo Free Press Star about his latest projects and Me-TV's revival of his classic series.
TFP Star: "Lost in Space" is airing on Me-TV nearly 50 years after its initial CBS telecast. What kind of attention have the Me-TV airings garnered you?
Bill Mumy: I'm glad Me-TV is running "Lost in Space." It makes it easier for new viewers to discover the show. I get a little cranky that we actors get no residuals from that, but that's showbiz. It's all good. I've noticed more fan mail and Facebook posts since Me-TV has been running the series.
TFP Star: How much of you was in your character Will Robinson? How much of Will Robinson might still be in you?
Mumy: Well, there was a lot of Billy Mumy in Will Robinson. I'd love to say there was a lot of Will Robinson in Billy Mumy, but that would be quite egotistical! Will was a big-time genius. He was smarter than anyone else in his family. He was smarter than Don or Dr. Smith. He programmed the robot, etc.
I'm not in his league. But we both were adventurous, impulsive and reasonably well-mannered!
TFP Star: Do you consider yourself fortunate among former child stars to have been able to continue performing as an adult? How did you survive the shift?
Mumy: I consider myself fortunate. Period. I kept working because — all ego aside — I was a decent actor.
TFP Star: Tell us a little about your new CD, "Illuminations."
Mumy: I've been a musician since "Lost in Space." There are several "Lost in Space" episodes where Will was strumming his guitar and singing. The road continues.
My current reality has produced a brand-new solo album, "Illuminations," on the GRA (Global Recording Artists) label. I'm very proud of this CD. It looks at things that are seen and unseen. It has deeply personal songs and "journalistic" songs. I wrote and performed the entire album.
Currently there are two videos from the album — "What I Got" and "Nothing You Or I Can Do About It" — running on YouTube and two more in production.
TFP Star: What's the coolest thing for you about your current comic book project "Curse of the Mumy?" How would you describe it to a potential reader?
Mumy: I've written comic books for Marvel, DC, Dark Horse and other publishers since 1986. I've loved comic books since I was 4 years old. "Curse of the Mumy" for Bluewater is a very stylistic project. I'm attempting — successfully I hope — to tell a modern day sci-fi story in an early Golden Age, 1939-41, style, both art- and script-wise.
The kicker: The characters are based on me and my wife and a mix-up of TV, film and video characters I've created as an actor. Once you get past the weirdness of writing yourself as a superhero, it's been easy and a lot of fun!
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Originally posted by Aerowyn
Are you a guardian? I am. I can be all that I can be...and then some.
Playing an Elementalist and taking aggro in a dungeon...now that's a whole other evel of "fun" :)
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Originally posted by Icewhite
Now I definately have no idea what you are talking about.
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Originally posted by Iselin
*facepalm* Ofcourse you don't just pick out the abhorrent aggro system and leave everything the same. The game was designed around it, so it has to be redesigned without it.
Also, combat in GW2 is not chaotic, its just different. If you don't see the patterns or can't make sense of the dynamics, it is your loss. It has roles, just different ones.
Roles are not the same as classes, and roles exist even without classes. Its the game mechanics and objectives which dictate the roles. Exploiting aggro has lead to a tank role and it is the cornerstone of the holy trinity. Get rid of aggro manipulation and you break the holy trinity. You'll have something more interesting. But again, you need to design the game around it.
All the alternatives might feel chaotic only because trinity, by comparison, is so formulaic and predictable; Its easy and boring. Nothing like real combat (although realism is not mandatory). It wouldn't be so bad if some developers wouldn't blatantly force a holy trinity in: such as into modern, sci-fi or space combat.
It is ridiculous that a guy in a tanktop, wielding a sledge hammer "holds aggro" while I am firing an M-16 behind him - shooting through my "tank". And players/monsters do not die even when a whole clip has been emptied in their naked torso from a point blank range. Super human monsters? -Fine. Humans? -No.
Anything to replace trinity in such case is better. I can't imagine a worse mechanic.
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Joined: 1/04/05
The Trinity is a very simplistic system to deal with a very complex situation. In the middle ages, similar to many games, like GW2, there were knights, bowman, infantry, etc - where was the healer - there were no TANKS doing aggro control, etc. It is a very fictitious system that was created to be able to play. It also dumbs down the AI system for the mobs, since the TANKS have to keep aggro - healers do one thing - DPS just does that - simple and mind numbing.
People, on this forum, keep saying they want more immersion and more 'REAL WORLD' but then they whine about no trinity? The trinity is less immersive - yes GW2 can be chaotic because real war is chaotic.
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there's nothing complicated about "aggro" behavior in gw2. the amount of threat generated largely depends on your range and damage output.
i'm having a hard time understanding why people dislike the trinity system. again, you pretty much need complementary roles in an mmo unless you want to kite mobs all day and fend for yourself.
it seems like people want more realistic positional combat but that kind of coordination isn't possible in an mmo.
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I feel like Guild Wars 2 is truly aimed at players with ALOT of skill with there dungeon system among other things. Personally I love the game. Perhaps some of the gripes stem from nonskilled players?
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Originally posted by botrytis
But there is no reason why a "trinity" system couldn't be made that relied upon warriors blocking/protecting their allies while the squishier players shield themselves (taking themselves out of the equation) or moving to a better vantage point.
I know some people say that games like D&D didn't have a trinity but they sort of did. It just didn't rely upon this whole "agrro/hate" mechanic.
there was a reason they the toughter members were in front and the ranged/squishy members.
Essentially, we are talking about roles, each person playing a role. I would agree that the whole "press a button and magically have all the enemies rush toward the tank" is horrid, but it doesn't have to be that way.
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Originally posted by Sovrath
beyond easymode taunt, i find the oversimplification of 3 roles -- tank / dps / healer as being limited
I miss the roles that everquest had for utility, crowd control, buffing / debuffing (read: enchanter / bard )
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Originally posted by Epicent
I bet you think you are a better driver than everyone else too? Haha.
But no seriously, I prefer the Rift group formula of 1 tank 1 heal 1 support 2 dps, even if support is dps half the time. Support roles are fun and necessary to a games health imo.
But overall for me the lack of a trinity is a huge downfall, with no designated role the game becamse stale fast.
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I didn't miss it. I don't think GW2 did a perfect job though either at keeping things balanced either.
I'm convinced there is no good way to do it because balance is pretty much impossible no matter what way you design classes.
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I like the GW2 system that was developed around the idea of no defined role trinity. You can in fact play other games this way but a vast majority of the people I have played with do not. It seems like the trinity developed systems I've been in specialize heavely. What I mean is you end up with a single class that is the "must have" tank with one or two builds that are the "must have" builds. If you try and stray outside of that you do not find many people that will play with you. So all the flexablity that has been designed into most games is tossed out the window. I think that the trinity has a profound influence on that. I only have an example of one which isn't proof but in GW2 without trinity roles typically (it does happen still) no one is asking for a defined role when forming a group or to see your build prior to invite. I think this allows the individual player greater flexabily. I am aware this is possble in other games it just isn't done for a majority of the player base.
It's odd to see "well in GW2 everyone is just DPS" which isn't the case. I would say that there are more DPS only players in a trinity game then there are in a GW2 group. This is because in the typical trinity group of say of six, you need one tank, one healer and the rest can be and is desirable to be DPS. In GW2 everyone should be providing more utility and it is pretty obvious when they don't, hence the old, rez zerg mechanic that was being employed.
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In Rift there many of the professions had roles that could be used in various Trinity roles - a Rogue could tank, an Ele could heal, etc. The problem is the PLAYERS, dumbed it down to 2-3 builds per profession, in dungeons, and that is all you could do. It was Trion thinking outside the box and players being so rigid, they won't change.
I think that is one reason GW2, went farther, knowing that players would resort to their familar roles.
Don't blame the game, blame yourself.
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Joined: 1/06/05
Originally posted by Nadia
That's great and I would agree tha tmakes it more interesting. But you still have roles such as the muscle, the healers/medics, the utility classes.
What I'm not for is the full plate wearing, broadsword wielding, stealthy thief who also heals by the will of the gods whiel calling down meteors from the sky.
I would agree that having "just three" types of players isn't very interesting but I would say that there are speciric roles that players can fill.
Of course, I'm old fashioned and like the idea of the warriors, the healers the mages and the roges. I think some bleed through can be interesting but allowing everyone to be everything seems kind of a mush.
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Joined: 8/10/12
To be honest... yes. The trinity is more fun. Somehow, not having a role, to me personally, feels bland and unrewarding. Sure, you can use some skills and traits to better yourself to a specific style of play, but you'll never be needed for it, and the gameplay will more or less stay the same.
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It still baffles me seeing a healer/priest tank a mob that's 3-4 levels higher than him. They still wear cloth right?
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The thing is there is a soft trinity in GW2, you can tank/heal and DPS in your group based on the scenario and aggro.
Aggro is based on
So you can tank if you keep these in mind, now tanking does not mean sit there and eat magic and blades to the face it means, kiting, LOS, and dodge rolling big attacks with smart cooldown management.
Healing is more subtle in this game, and most classes should have heal/support abilities.
Example my engineer can drop med kits that can heal for 3k every 10 seconds or so, plus a cleanse, plus a crit/speed buff. Other classes can also do AOE field healing, cast party wide regen or other things. Not counting actively using my Combo blast rifle 5 ability in water fields for aoe heals...or other fields even for buffs/debuffs
Now you may be thinking ah that doesnt count since the healing doesnt auto fill friendly life bars, but really the GW2 healing/support system is more about keeping players from dying than keeping them topped off like in traditional MMOs.
This means clutch condition removals, giving that ally your heal when they need it most, or using a combo blast ability in a water field to do a decent sized AOE heal...not to mention more meaty defense/healing abilities (Guardian blocks/staff heals, warrior heal shouts/banners, necro well of Blood, etc..)
The game is more subtle, and I think over time they can create truly challenging content that is based around proper CD management and team coordination than gear and statistics than popping the most efficient heals while monitoring HP bars in the party UI
1st hand Example:
I run a rifle engineer, I can knockback and net enemies to kite tank with my permenant swifness buff on kit swap. I get in close do as much damage as I can to draw aggro (DMG+Proximity) and then kite away if the boss is pummeling me...cant face tank in this game but doesnt mean there arent ways to "tank" or be primary target for boss.
Heal utility: Med kit - Can drop kits to heal allies and remove conditions, about 3k+ every 10 seconds to allies if I only ran with that kit although swapping to and leaving them behind is ideal to support/dmg with other abilities.
Utility 1: Changes based on needs of current fight although by default in dungeons I run with bomb kit for AOE slow, blinds, and dmg. On condition heavy fights I can take elixir gun for aoe heal and regen with cleansing, or any other kits I have that are best suited for the fight.
Utility 2: Toolkit -For aoe slow caltrops, shield block, and magnetism pull in. This is when I cant get away from the boss with speed or dodge I can pop shield wall to wait for dodge to regen or speed away.
Utility 3: Utility Googles-For my stunbreaker, blind immunity, and fury buff. I have traits that proc on crit so this even helps me and my allies by boosting my crit chance. On crit I have 50% chance to blind enemies for 5 seconds, 50% chance to apply vulnerabity, and 60% chance to remove enemy buffs.
Elite: Supply Drop (Several turrets, including healing turret, and several medkits). This one I mainly use in aoe fights to stun enemies and/or drop on allies who need HP from med kits and healing turret.
EDIT: Ah last thing I think ANET can improve on to make more players happy is make the support abilities more noticeable since most of the problems people have is wanting to be recognized and appreciated for their support efforts. IMO they could tune down the damage effects and beef up the support animation/effects...even my medkits mentioned above are fairly hard to see in a fight, but on skype/voips I usually tell people come to me for heals, or I try to drop them in their route.
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Originally posted by Sovrath
First, its not that: Some melee fighters had to be tough in order to survive in melee. Others used their mobility and abilities to avoid damage. Having someone tough in the front was never mandatory like it is in trinity games. Defense in trinity consists of soaking damaga and repairing damage - The most idiotic form of defense there is if you ask me.
Second, in D&D, there was no shooting into melee due to friendly fire. AOE farming was not possible for the same reason.
Third: Ranged healing spells were rare, so while the party almost always had a divine spellcaster with them (Cleric/Druid) healing was somewhat unwieldy and was only reserved for emergencies in mid combat.
D&D is quite far from the holy trinity.
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Both methods are best, for differen't reasons. I would say however that its harder for developers to make a non-trinity based MMO work well. Guild Wars 2, in my opinion does not have this work so well. It is very messy in my eyes.
The trouble with the tank, healer and DPS build is that not many people tend to play the core classes (tank and healing) leaving a huge populace of DPS looking for groups. People just don't like the responsibility behind it and in honest DPS can be BIG jerks towards tanks and healers.
I have played all classes and all paths in most MMO's I have played and I would say as a tank, I get a lot of grief, even though I've not been responsible for a wipe for the longest of times. Anyone actively being aggressive towards me or the healer I kick, or if I can't I leave. It'll take them 20 mins to get another me, takes me 20 seconds to get another one of them.
Now with non-trinity based games its a missed opputunity in my opinion. For it to truely to work they need to do away with lock on's and hit boxes. To make skills and abilities more attentive than automatic. A big emphasis should also be placed on craftables. It should be the norm to be self efficent with regens and armour/resist based potions.
Boss mechanics need to change from a tank and spank scenario, to a more mechanic based combat which the environment could be a huge asset.
In short, Trinity works, its efficent, its easy but not everyone wants to play core classes and progression suffers. It is also easier for developers to replicate this style, it is universal and gets people with MMO experience interested with a system they already understand.
Non trinity also works-ish, because I still think it needs more love and thinking, but I do think the potential to grow with a non-trinity build is vastly larger than trinity itself.
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Originally posted by krage
This is somewhat incorrect, though I do agree with the rest of your post.
Aggro in GW2 is actually based on:
- Proximity to target
- Who's dealing the most damage
- Who has the highest toughness
- Who has the lowest amount of health
Each stat gets a certain 'weight' to it, toughness being weighed the most heavily, proximity being weighed the least. The person who weighs most heavily over those multiple categories is the one who gets hit. Things like whether you're wearing a shield, or ressing someone doesn't factor into aggro at all. Neither does healing from what I've seen. In fact the best 'tank' you can be in GW2 is either a guardian using GS / scepter, focus. Downed players tend to get aggro, because they often have the lowest health pool in the group (it's generally significantly lower than a max-health player), and as a result sometimes you get hit trying to res a downed player.
That aside, the system (as like any other system) can easily be manipulated & exploited once you understand it. I gave an example a few pages back about stacking on guardians for smooth dungeon runs, with warriors doing the majority of DPS.
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Originally posted by Tsumoro
Hmm started out agreeing with you then you headed down the rabbit hole of "action combat". IMHO "action combat" is a rather silly attempt to get console players interested in MMORPG's.
While not having a target lock or a hit box in a console game played with a few people in your living room is OK, it makes no sense in an MMORPG where some people will be on 45ms ping times and others maybe on 450ms ping times (yes people do play MMO's with 450ms ping times and lots of them too).
As for "mechanic" based combat this is a widely held falacy. What happens when someone finds a way of avoiding a mechanic?
Do you use the technique or continue to play the mechanic because it is "so much fun"?
ANSWER: We all use the technique to avoid the mechanic, and this is because they are not fun at all, some of us just like to think they are.
In any case the point in discussion (trinity or no-trinity) has little to do with other discussions like targetting method and "action combat". They are independent discussions.
Personally I would like to see a more complex version of MMO combat, one where having multiple mellee class players in a mutually supporting line takes the place of a single tank, where support and utility are important and where no-one stands behind the mob in a "puppy pile".


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The legislative homestretch: Let's make a dealBy PETER HIRSCHFELD
Vermont Press Bureau | May 06,2013MONTPELIER No three individuals wield more influence over the contents of the state budget and the taxes that will be used to pay for it than Gov. Peter Shumlin, House Speaker Shap Smith and Senate President John Campbell.
In the waning days of the 2013 legislative session, they will serve as the principals in a high-stakes negotiation over the fiscal priorities of Vermont. Later this week, they will emerge from their bunkers, compromise in hand. And each mans ability to shape the terms of that bargain will depend in large part on his powers of persuasion.
Smith and Campbell, both lawyers, and Shumlin, a real estate investor and businessman, are all well versed in the art of the deal. Given the distance between them on key aspects of the fiscal year 2014 revenue plan, their skills will no doubt be put to the test.
The most essential part of any deal is knowing the people youre sitting across from, understanding what makes them tick, Campbell said Friday.
These men arent strangers. Campbell and Shumlin spent nearly a decade together in the Senate. And in Smiths first two-year term as speaker in 2009 and 2010, he and then Senate President Shumlin bonded in opposition to Republican Gov. James Douglas.
As members of the same party, these Democrats political interests are, to a degree, bound together. But Campbell said that wont necessarily make the budget talks any easier.
Were all trying to reach the same goal, Campbell said. But we may differ as to the vehicle.
Their jobs were made easier late last week by updated revenue projections that forecast an end-of-year surplus of about $16 million. As per statute, half the money will automatically be deposited into the education fund. But the remainder will offset a sizable chunk of $10 million to $34 million in new spending that appears in various versions of the fiscal year 2014 spending plan.
Still, substantive disagreements remain. Will Smith and Campbell cede any ground on Shumlins push to reduce the earned income tax credit? Will Shumlin assent to even a portion of the shrinking of income-tax deduction allowances in both the House and Senate revenue packages?
Will Vermont assess a $15 million health care tax on employers that dont provide insurance in fiscal year 2015, as Shumlin and the Senate are urging? And will the budget increase for childcare subsidies end up closer to the $3.3 million budgeted for by the House? Or the $17 million called for by Shumlin?
Much depends on how effectively each man makes his case to the others.
What you do is, until the appropriations bill and revenue bill has passed your chamber, you focus on how to do the best work to get it passed through your chamber, Shumlin said Friday. Then all of a sudden you wake up the next morning and go, oh my god, weve got to deal with the executive branch of government.
In Smith and Campbells case, that means dealing with Shumlin. When it comes to getting his way in backroom deal-making, Campbell said, the incumbent governor is very good.
The governor is probably one of the best negotiators Ive ever dealt with, Campbell said. Hes got an Irish touch, even though hes not Irish.
Campbell, a longtime trial attorney, said his years of courtroom experience will serve him well.
You have to know your end game, Campbell said. There are things that you certainly would give on, for quid pro quo. But there are also items that are sacrosanct.
Smith said the horizon on that end game is equally important.
I think my experience allows me to take a longer view of how these things play out, Smith said.
Shumlin said the key is to listen.
Listen. Listen and dont be a jerk, Shumlin said.
That its a three-way negotiation, Campbell said, is not an insignificant factor.
You want to know who your ally is, Campbell said. And you cant let one party split you off from another.
Smith and Campbell will also have to juggle the myriad interests of their respective bodies, a task that Campbell said is especially difficult for the speaker.
Hes got 150 people to deal with, so he may find it more difficult to try to abide by and protect his members feelings and beliefs, Campbell said.
Smith, though, who orchestrated politically complicated veto overrides on gay marriage and the budget in 2009, has proven himself an adept extractor of concessions.
I am a firm believer, having done this for awhile, Smith said, that there is always room to get to yes.
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