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The Suburban and Tahoe are by far the best-selling models in their class, and they're tough rivals for the Ford Expedition, Toyota Sequoia and Nissan Armada, among just a few others. These two Chevy models are closely related in most ways--although there's a key difference: The Suburban is 14 inches longer in wheelbase and 20 inches longer overall than the Tahoe; and that results in a significantly larger third-row seat than in the Tahoe--as well as easier access to it, and more cargo space.
Compared to rival models, the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban still stand out for their good ride quality and efficient engines, and they handle surprisingly well considering their size and mass. They're also very rugged and versatile, and can be outfitted for off-road toughness, tow ability, and interior luxury as needed.
Chevrolet claims that the Suburban will be the most fuel-efficient model in the full-size SUV class, thanks to its standout combination of fuel-saving technologies like direct injection and active fuel management (cylinder deactivation). Although the profile of the Suburban and Tahoe haven't changed all that much, Chevy has managed to make significant improvements to aerodynamics. Yet chiseled sheetmetal and big, flamboyant wheels (up to 22 inches) help maintain a powerful look.
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Chevrolet's full-size Suburban and Tahoe SUVs, have been completely redesigned for 2015. While these models are essentially the same size on the outside as those that they replace, GM has re-engineered these trucks for much-improved refinement and ride quality--as well as more power and higher towing capability.
Both model lines get new Chevrolet MyLink touch-screen connectivity in most of their trim levels. Meanwhile, second- and third-row seating has been revamped to include the convenience of a fold-flat arrangement, for added cargo versatility. Additionally, Suburban models get a little more legroom for those in the second row, while a new dual-screen rear entertainment system with Blu-ray DVD player is offered in the Suburban. Otherwise keyless entry and push-button start are both new and widely available in both the Suburban and Tahoe lineups, as are other new convenience features, like adaptive cruise control.
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The 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe is new inside and out, with more power, more fuel efficiency and more refinement than before. All told, the 2015 Tahoe's makeover is thoughtfully planned and nicely executed.
While chassis dimensions don't change, there are updates to the foundation. A stronger body structure uses more high-strength steel and the rear track has been expanded slightly, contributing to a smoother ride and quieter cabin.
Third-generation magnetic ride control automatically adjusts shock absorbers to road surfaces and driving demands in milliseconds, affording a blend of comfort and control we find remarkable in a vehicle this size. It's limited to the top of the line LTZ trim level, but trim levels with conventional spring and damping systems have been retuned and deliver better dynamics than the previous generation.
The sheetmetal has been reshaped from stem to stern, and while it takes an experienced eye to distinguish the 2015 Tahoe from the previous generation, the styling is crisp, with sharp angles and a strong character line running from front to rear just below the greenhouse. The front doors are unique to the Tahoe, no more sharing with the Silverado, and the B-pillar has been moved forward, enlarging the rear door opening for easier ingress.
The 2015 Tahoe's interior is all new, with two welcome new options: a power liftgate and power-folding rear seatbacks. For 2015, GM made a substantial investment in noise suppression, with triple seals around the doors, acoustical laminate windows, and lots of sound-insulation throughout. The payoff is a big ute with luxo sedan interior noises levels.
Like the Suburban, the 2015 Tahoe is limited to a single engine, a 5.3-liter V8, paired with a 6-speed automatic transmission. That displacement is familiar, but this is a much different 5.3-liter V8: all aluminum, new block, new cylinder heads, new crankshaft, new pistons, higher compression ratio, direct fuel injection. More power: 355 horsepower versus 320 hp in the previous version, 383 pound-feet of torque. That torque provides the pulling power to achieve a towing capacity of 8400 pounds with four-wheel drive, 8600 pounds with 2WD.
And there's improved fuel efficiency to go with the increased thrust: 16/22 mpg City/Highway with 4WD, 16/23 mpg with rear-wheel drive.
Tahoe shares the Suburban's solid body-on-frame construction, and while it weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the big guy, at 5683 pounds with four-wheel drive it's no wraith. Curb weights on the 2015 models are up by as much as 100 pounds, depending on equipment, and while the Suburban takes up even more room, a vehicle that's 204 inches long and 74.4 inches high still casts a lot of shade in a parking lot.
The Tahoe is 14.4 inches shorter than the Suburban, on a 116-inch wheelbase, versus the Suburban's 130-inch wheelbase (the distance between the front and rear wheels).
We found the 2015 Tahoe behaves very well on the road. Don't expect car-like driveability; it's a non-sequitur with vehicles in this size class. But the responses are prompt, an active safety plus for a vehicle that's likely to be loaded with kids. And it's a smooth operator in terms of ride quality.
All 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe models come with 5.3-liter V8 engine, 6-speed automatic transmission. Rear-wheel drive (2WD) is standard, four-wheel drive (4WD) is optional ($3000). (All prices are MSRP, which can change at any time without notice, and do not include $995 destination charge.)
Tahoe LS ($44,600) comes with tri-zone climate control, cloth upholstery, seating for nine, fold-flat second- and third-row seats, AM/FM/CD audio, satellite radio, remote vehicle starting, rear view camera, rear park assist. 4WD is optional ($47,600).
Tahoe LT ($50,000) adds leather trim to first and second row seats, heated power front seats with memory feature, Bose premium audio, Chevy MyLink infotainment system, power liftgate with programmable height, lane departure warning, forward collision alert.
Tahoe LTZ ($59,000) adds heated and cooled front seats, fog lamps, HID headlamps, LED daytime running lamps, heated power side mirrors, power tilt/telescope steering column with memory, heated leather steering wheel, keyless entry, pushbutton start, power folding second- and third-row seatbacks, power adjustable pedals, 110-volt power outlet, 20-inch aluminum alloy wheels, blind spot warning, lane change assist, rear cross traffic alert.
Safety features include front center airbag.
The basic shape of the Chevy Tahoe is familiar, but the skin is all new for 2015, with attention to aerodynamics as well as aesthetics.
Current Tahoe owners will recognize the subtle distinctions between the new fascia and its predecessor, especially around the grille and headlights. That sharp stem-to-stern crease just below the windows, shared with the Suburban and GMC Yukon, lends interest to a profile that was previously slab-sided. GM has moved the B-pillar forward slightly, expanding the rear door opening, making it easier to climb in and out of the back seat, as well as the third row.
The side mirrors now have turn signal repeaters, and there's a power option for the rear liftgate. Chevy also points out that while there is chassis commonality, neither the Suburban nor the Tahoe share any sheetmetal with the Silverado pickup. Wheel options include 18-, 20-, and 22-inch choices.
Power running boards are a nice feature, retracting when not in use, deploying whenever a door is opened. However, when opening and closing doors a lot, for example, when loading and unloading cargo or cleaning, the constant retracting and deploying over and over can be annoying. Also, they can whack a shin when deploying. That said, the running boards make getting in the Tahoe far easier than getting into a full-size SUV or pickup without running boards.
The power liftgate works well, and the rear window can be opened separately, which is a nice feature. Finding the button to close the liftgate can be difficult for first-time users, though, because it is a small black-on-black button, so you may see people closing your power liftgate manually. And when the liftgate is opened, groceries can come tumbling out because there is no lip to stop them.
The inner Tahoe is all new for 2015, with improved materials, new seats, new (more legible, more attractive) instrumentation, enhanced connectivity and infotainment.
The design team invested substantial time and budget in noise suppression, making the Tahoe just about the quietest ride in its class, along with the similarly improved Suburban and GMC Yukon and Yukon XL.
The optional MyLink infotainment system features an 8-inch color touch screen in the middle of the dashboard. The navigation system is very easy to use. Punching in an address is quick and easy because a virtual keyboard pops up allowing the address to be typed in using commas as one would type on a computer.
The rear rows fold flat, and a power-folding option is available for the seatbacks, as well as power operation for the rear hatch.
It's hard to find much fault with this new interior, even in the standard base model. Our only reservation is one that was also true of the previous generation: a very snug third row, with limited leg room and a knees-up seating position thanks to the high load floor.
We could not find the button to turn on the cruise control, though no doubt this is covered in the owner's manual.
Leave the key fob in the car may cause the horn to blow, unnecessary when at a location where security is not a concern.
Unfortunately, GM's excellent new head-up display isn't available for the Tahoe or Suburban; it's reserved for the GMC Yukon lineup. And the luxurious High Country interior option that's new this year with the Chevy Silverado isn't available for the Suburban or Tahoe. Leather trim is offered, but if you want the really posh furnishings you need a Yukon Denali.
The Chevrolet Tahoe is smaller than the Suburban, but that doesn't mean small. With passengers, cargo or a combination of both, the Tahoe weighs in over the 3-ton mark. Its gross vehicle weight ratings (curb weight plus whatever may be on board) are 7100 pounds for 2WD, 7300 pounds with 4WD, and max payloads are 1702 and 1760, respectively. Mass plus a tall profile limit handling responses, and all that weight affects stopping distances.
On the other hand, the chassis engineers have done a very good job with the new suspension tuning, particularly in the LTZ, with its magnetic ride control. As a result, the Tahoe is surprisingly willing in its responses to commands from the helm. This is attributable, at least in part, to improved roll stiffness. Though the center of gravity is high in a vehicle of this type, giving mass more leverage in cornering maneuvers, that phenomenon is minimized by the magnetic damping system, which limits suspension body roll, allowing quicker recovery in rapid transitions. It also helps that weight distribution is close to 50/50, front/rear.
The steering, a new electric assist power rack and pinion system, is a little numb and rather slow at 3.4 turns lock to lock. But even so, the new rig is agile by big SUV standards. This doesn't make the Tahoe a slalom star; weight will have its say in any dynamic equation. But it does give the driver a better chance of turning a crash into a near miss. And it does so without sacrificing ride quality, which trends toward firm, but it takes a pretty nasty bump to find its way to the vehicle's occupants.
Braking is another strong suit, again with a for-its-size asterisk. Brake pedal feel is firm, it's easy to modulate pedal pressure, and the Tahoe stops straight and true. We can't testify to fade resistance, other than to say we failed to provoke any fade with a few hard stops and repeated use in mountain driving, and we don't know about stopping distances other than to mention that GM claims a slight reduction. But we can testify to system function, which is very good.
Considering the Tahoe's role as an all-around pachyderm, the new 5.3-liter V8 is a definite improvement over its predecessor. The Tahoe gets off the line quickly, especially with the 3:42 final drive in our tester, throttle response is right now, and the operation of its cylinder deactivation system, from V8 to V4 in light load conditions, is totally transparent.
One final noteworthy dynamic element: interior noise. Anyone who's unable to converse at living room voice levels when the Tahoe is operating at freeway speeds needs a hearing aid. Wind noise is minimal, road noise ditto, and the only time the engine becomes audible is when the driver tramps on the gas, opening flapper valves in the plumbing and adding a pleasant V8 baritone to the mix.
Smooth, exceptionally quiet, comfortable, capable, and powerful, the latest Tahoe continues to be the quintessential big job family wagon. Tahoe continues to be a solid family workhorse with the added attraction of more grunt and more refinement. It's a little less expensive and a little lighter than the Suburban, and a little handier around town. You can get a fancier version of the Tahoe at the GMC store. But with the exception of the increased power option, you won't get any better.
Tony Swan filed this report from Detroit.
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I am not a hater, I call it like I see it.
The MMORPG genre and its fans have been overtaken by the Online RPG fans. The current majority of the so called MMORPG player base is not nor will ever be MMORPG players. The true MMORPG fan is and has always been a niche gaming group.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
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Originally posted by rutaq
Let me list a some other things where those skills come in useful:
4. Watching a Uwe Boll film
5. Sitting through a Justin Bieber concert
A lot of very unpleasant activities also require patinetnce and dedication to see through. However, they are not activities I want to engage in to entertain myself.
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Originally posted by PsyMike3d
Except that "DF2" is being made by the same incompetents that made DF1.
That game was the most broken and buggy POS I have ever had the misfortune to play for its first 6 months. It was crap, and it launched with less than half the promised features. ANd many of those features did not work.
And no communication except to complain about their customers.
Some people forget that.
I don't.
So, no... "DF2" is likely not what ANYONE is looking for, unless and until AV proves they can put out something not a piece of garbage. And not like the original DF.
We do have one and it is called---Vanguard------and very few people play
We have a old school sand box called -----Ryzom-----and very few people play
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The same crap sold over and over, what does that remind me of? Oh yeah, every radio station in america.
We are in the biggest MMO drought of the past decade. Every game that was good has turned bad with expansions. Every new game is either a bad wow copy or a straight up flop.
If you want a difficult group centered MMORPG this the only thing that can hold you over:
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In general I agree with the OP. That's why I don't play any MMOs currently. Switched to single player RPGs and having a blast.
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Originally posted by eddieg50
Vanguard is NOT all its cracked up to be. From the early 2000's graphics, to the rehash of eq2 in different clothes. Its not that good a game. EQ2 had better graphics than this game does. And Vanguard is newer.
Ryzom is OLD. Enough said.
There is no reason that a fully modern game can't have good game play and graphics that isn't all about getting to the top as fast as possible, raiding and pvp. None.
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Originally posted by Burntvet
Haha what fantasy realm do you come from? Those "incompetents" made one of the most technically impressive MMOs ever, on a shoestring budget with no experience. Imagine what they can do with a team 3 times as big and with 4 years of experience? Darkfall, other than Vanguard, was the only interesting MMO to come out in the last 7 years.
As for your spotty recollection of the launch, there were hardly any bugs at all. Certainly none that impacted the gameplay in meaningful ways. There were a handful of bugged quests for the first few weeks. And I can't think of any feature that was outright broken.
The only promised feature that the game launched without was roaming mobs, so I don't know where you're getting your "half" bs.
And they patched and communicated every week for about a year. I don't know where you got the "complain about customers" bit.
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Originally posted by Moirae
Vanguard is almost nothing like EQ2... EQ2 is a heavily instanced themepark, Vanguard is a zoneless, instanceless sandbox/themepark, and its graphics are way WAAY ahead of EQ2.
Very few people played Vanguard for quite a few reasons, the biggest being that SoE never tried to develop the game or put any money into it. Now that theres a full dev team again and some actually money coming in, a lot of people are playing it.
That being said, it has still been made quite casual by classic MMORPG standards, and not everyone likes the pure PVE experience.
Originally posted by DavisFlight
IMO Vanguard is just an ok game. It's like the devs stopped at each area and went good enough.
Your have great background graphics, but bad character graphics.
You can build houses, but only from about 6 different styles.
Classes have an interesting turn.
Diplomacy--- well I'll just say it is the best of all the games offereing diplomacy and leave it at that.
lag lag lag lag lag. falling through world, minute long load at chunks.
But it isn't a bad game, it's just mediocre.
For Ryzom. IMO Ryzom is the worst iteration of a sandbox and embraces everything that is many consider bad parts. Very little content, you have digging in the dirt for crafting materials, making one of a dozen types of armor (yes different by stats, but only about a dozen styles of armor), fighting mobs or arraging for a fight on on the outposts. All fighting styles play exactly the same, all magic styles play exactly the same, all crafting is exactly the same. Very weak market, no way to even decorate a house. Absolutley no impact on the world at all. It can barely be called a sandbox IMO.
edit - and vanguard as zones. NO there isn't a zone wall, but there are chunk lines where the game pauses to load up the next zone. And in the beginining SOE put a full dev team in the game, fixed a lot of bugs, tried to reduce the lag. No real success.
Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
vanguard is the only game offering Diplomacy that I can think of and this makes it unique, it is a classic old school mmo and that is what the op said he is looking for.
Ryzom is really an old school sand box mmo, "very little content"--it is a sand box mmo! you the player are suppose to make the content, that being said the beginning does an excellent job with quests tutoring you through because it is a complex game.
"digging in the dirt for crafting materials" You mean like SWG, digging in the dirt is sand box in its purest sense, what dont you understand about that it is called harvesting.
the rest of your comments are simply untrue and so do not observe comment
Originally posted by eddieg50
What was untrue. Everything is complete fact. Name something that was not fact. I will apologzie and correct it.
Yes Diplomacy is unique which is why I can't say it's the worst. I personally thought it was terrible but it was the only one, so I guess it's the best too.
Ryzom only has about a dozen styles of armor. There is no world impact, no way of even decorating a house and all the styles of crafting are the same, all the styles of fighting are the same, all the styles of magic are the same.
SWG had multple ways of doing that, heck it had harvesters so you hardly had to do it at all. Ryzome if I want shells, resins, materials of any kinds I dig in the dirt for ABSOLUTELY every single material. That is what the crafting is, digging in the dirt and fighting mobs. There is way way way more to harvesting resources and way more variety than just digging in the dirt. Trees, water, chemicals, air... are just some simple examples that don't involve digging in the dirt.
Vanguard has zones, called chunks. There is still lots of lag and bugs.
As for the content, posted by Uhwop long ago (below). I don't agree with the player created content part, that is central to sandbox but the rest of it I do agree with. Perhaps player emergent content might be a better choice, because he is right we can't actually create the content in most games.
" A sandbox game has nothing to do with player created content; I'm so tired of seeing people spout this nonsense everytime they talk about a sandbox MMO.
Sandbox games didn't start with MMO's.
Sandbox, open ended, free-form. Games that focus on world building, and not central characters (you). They don't define the path you take, they aren't about housing, they aren't about PvP, they aren't about not having classes. Sandbox gameplay is all about providing a world for you to inhabit, and letting you loose in it.
Baldurs Gate was a sandbox RPG. It's built off of a D&D ruleset, it has classes, and is an open-ended single player RPG. GTA3 is a sandbox, it had a quest line that requred following to unlock other parts of a city; yet it's a single player sandbox RPG.
A sandbox gives you a WORLD THAT ISN'T STRUCTURED. Ultima Online doesn't give you the tools to "create your own content", no more then WoW does. Oblivion doesn't let you "create your own content", any more then Everquest did. I can't make anymore content in EVE online then I can Lineage 2.
City of Heroes gives you the ability to actually create missions, you can't do that in Mortal Online; yet MO is a sandbox MMO, and CoH is a themepark. Ultima online doesn't provide a single "tool" to "create" any content. There is no quest builder in UO, you can't make a dungeon in UO, no tools to build events like SWG had (and SWG isn't a sandbox at this moment, yet I can make my own content in it.), and UO had multiple expansiions over the years to add content to the game; those expansions weren't made by the players.
Being a sandbox game is not an excuse for content light games, or a reason for developers to not have to make content. Sandbox isn't an excuse to not have questing, boss raids, or events. These are all GAMEPLAY FEATURES THAT KEEP PEOPLE ENGROSSED AND ENTERTAINED!
Traditional RPG= Puts player in the role of the hero. Player follows a story that leads to them reaching the end were they confront the protagonist. There may be diversions along the way, some side quests, or activities in the way of minigames. This game is primarilly focused on character development in a typically static world, were the player has little or no effect on what's going on around him.
Sandbox= Open ended gameplay that doesn't have a conclusion (general lack of an endgame). Player isn't always defined within a set role (player may be the hero, or the player may be the bad guy, or maybe the heroes is a hermit that doesn't interact with anything but his pet pig, the players isn't typically predefined by the developers IE: placed in the shoes of a specific character within a story, or playing the hero saves the world.) There may be a central story line, but that story line isn't required to be followed. Lot's of side stories that develop the world around the player. This type of game focuses primarilly on world building, were a players actions impact the world in some way, or where the player is able to alter the world itself in some way.
You make your own story in a sandbox, not your own content.
EVE does well because CCP understood that for a sandbox to work they had to build a world. Everything about EVE has to do with the world itself and how the players behaive within it. Ryzom didn't do so well because the game only feels like a sandbox because there aren't any classes, other then that it's really not a lot dif. from WoW or any other traditional MMO. MO and DF are both FFA PVP with full loot, and they both emphasize this, provide very little in the way of "meaningful" PvE elements (or working ones at that). Face of mankind was developed originally by people that had the same mindset as the "lawl sandbox means player created content" crowd, and they tried to make a game that almost entirely depended on players creating the content, it was also PvP heavy. Fallen Earth has horrible combat.
There has yet to be a single sandbox MMO created in the last decade, that wasn't all about PvP, or set within it's own niche market (like playing a spaceship). When someone finally makes a game more like UO, that isn't all about PvP, has worthwhile PvE, doesn't require 20 other people playing with you to do anything, doesn't run like crap, doesn't have horrible fighting, AND IS FUN, it will have lots and lots of subscribers."
edit -Ryzome is not an old school sandbox. Lack of content is not the defintion. SWG and UO were the oldest school content and each of them had orders of magntitude more content than Ryzom including quests.
Edit - edited the above post to clarify the source
Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
LOL, it is tough to argue with someone who says BG was a sandbox, I dont know what to say, maybe when I am done laughing I may respond
Originally posted by eddieg50
Out of his whole comment about quests, building, pvp, pve, games that let you directly add things, games that you don't, and the inconsistency the gaming community has regarding sandbox and nonsandbox, thats what you took from it? Sheesh.
Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.
I am a dwarf, and I'm digging a hole! digging a hole, etcetera, etcetera...
Sorry. Couldn't resist XD.
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GW2 easy ? bet he dint try to solo Veteran or Champion mobs ? or the hard more dungeons in GW2 :P ?
And iam having a full list of friends made in WvW and in PvE...
Dunno but that age off mmo;s you think about are done death and burried.
We had UO / DaoC / EQ and that kind of mmo's.
Its a diffrent time and age.
Your a few left who want to play that kind of game.
Guildwars 2 = E P I C <----- at least for a few years to come.
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As for a good MMORPG; Darkfall unholy Wars is set to release in 20 november. It will be a really good refreshment and a huge step towards something different and promising within the mmo industry, that's for sure
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Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Never. Everyone in this thread is the Hero in his own story. What's Best for the Genre, obviously, is "whatever I like most".
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
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Originally posted by DavisFlight
Oh, please.
AV got caught changing the features list after launch to hide all the things that were supposed to be in there at launch and weren't, there are threads in this very section about that.
There were bugs and exploits a plenty, beating/botting on the bloodwall? Swimming in place against an obstuction forever, the messed up mix between melee and ranged, and the fact that magic was useless for the first several months? Not punishing the skill botters? And more?
Much more.
Remember any of that?
One only need to surf this forum from that time in case you need help "remembering". It is all here.
AV goes into the catagory of producers whose games should only be bought long after launch. If ever.
And it also goes to prove some people will buy anything, no matter the quality.
Originally posted by delete5230
No old school MMO will ever be made by a AAA studio again because 100k subscribers (the top end for old school MMO's) just wont pay the bills.


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We hear it frequently: Our PD community is vibrant, well informed and always willing to extend help and support as well as share their experience of living with PD.
In the past 3-4 months, I attended several PD related meetings and events. I found myself involved in several informal conversations with fellow PwP's and the spouses who attend to their care. I inquired about their perceptions as providers or receivers of care.
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Berkeley County will host an auction for American LaFrances business personal property June 11 at the Patillo building, according to county Supervisor Dan Davis.
Cincinnati Industrial Auctioneers has been contracted for the auction, which will feature concessions. A time has not been released. The Patillo building is off of Cypress Gardens Road.
The county says American LaFrance owes $650,000 from a defaulted fee-in-lieu-of-tax agreement on business personal property. The 100-year-old firetruck manufacturer once employed 200 people in the county, but shuttered its doors in January.
Berkeley County has ventured into uncharted territory as it is the first S.C. county to navigate state law to reclaim money from an economic development deal.
Meanwhile, leading up to the auction, Berkeley County is adding to American LaFrances tab.
The county has had to foot the $2,800 monthly lease for the space and more for its electricity. More public money has been spent on working with a number of attorneys to determine how to legally proceed. Most weeks, the county expends about 40 man-hours dedicated to American LaFrance and the fallout, according to Davis.
Berkeley County only has claim to the business personal property desks, chairs, pictures, everything essential to making a business run. After an auction to reclaim the debt owed, the companys inventory the unfinished firetrucks, the engines, the transmissions, everything essential to making emergency vehicles could be auctioned off by the property owner since American LaFrance has already defaulted and owes the owner money.
But Patilla Investor Real Estate Vice President Peter Anderson told the Independent no auction is scheduled and the company is still trying to determine who the owner is.
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The Washington Post's Bob Woodward tells POLITICO Playbook that the White House is muddling the facts on the sequester - "a classic case of distortion and confusion."
White House press secretary Jay Carney had bashed Woodward as "willfully wrong" in a column he wrote arguing that the initial sequester agreement did not include revenues and so asking for them now is "moving the goal posts."
"The White House pushback is a classic case of distortion and confusion," Woodward said in an email to Playbook. "We unfortunately have seen this too often in recent presidential history... I do not think it is willful. They are just mixed up, surprisingly so."
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Friday, June 13, 2014
Former Berkeley County supervisor candidate Jerry Beckley announced Wednesday he has endorsed Moncks Corner Mayor Bill Peagler in the runoff race against incumbent Supervisor Dan Davis.
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Mr. Peagler aligns himself with the same leadership beliefs that I have, Beckley said in the release. Hes for smaller government, open transparency, conservative principals, and I believe he will work with the conservative members of council to move the county forward.
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With its patented, nickel-plated-brass, pressurized portafilter, the stainless steel Aroma Espresso Machine makes it easy to create the perfect espresso.
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Pressurized portafilter allows water to pass through coffee only when appropriate pressure for optimum flavor extraction is reached.
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Pannarello attachment dispenses steam for frothing milk, or hot water for tea. Two-part device is easy to remove and disassemble for quick clean up.
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- Dimensions: 8"W x 10"D x 11.5"H
- Capacity: 85 fl oz
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- Weight: 14 lbs
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Comments about Stainless Steel Aroma Espresso Machine by Saeco:
This machine replaced my Baristazia which I used for nearly 12 years. What a jewel it was.
My new and current machine makes it even easier to make excellent Latte's and I love it and expect the same great service from this one as the last.
Starbucks machines are the only ones I would recommend. Thank you for a great product which is easy to use and clean Jann Kendle
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We purchased this machine 2 years ago. It was recommended to us by a friend from Italy. We absolutely love it! We make 2 espressos every day, and make sure to stream water through the portafilter to clean it after each use.
The smaller size is perfect for us, and most espresso cups fit the machine. Very easy to use. We use it only for espresso, have not used the steam wand. If you want a great espresso machine for a great price, this is the one!
Comments about Stainless Steel Aroma Espresso Machine by Saeco:
We should have got a clue from other reviews of this model. The fact that the steamer wand is poorly designed is well known. You should not have to make up for design flaws, (the wand is too low to use, without sitting the machine up on a block of some kind). It's a sign of negligence on the part of the manufacturer. The fittings on the wand fall apart easily. Eventually they get lost. After just a couple months of use, it fails completely. No amount of cleaning and descaling can get it to work. I purchased this online from Starbucks in 2014. They sent us one that was made in 2011. The product is apparently not selling very well. Wish I had known that.
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I once owned the Serena sold by Starbucks. It was a fantastic machine and I was looking for something similar in ease of use and quality of espresso. I was very impressed with the Saeco experience last time I was sure I could trust the quality. I've only had my new machine a few days and I've already perfected my cup! If I can do it, anyone can!!
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In one word DISAPPOINTED with the new product the Aroma Espresso Machine for the price its to small you cant fit the pot under to steam you have to put it on the edge of the counter to be able to put your pot under so you can steam the milk the front knob is plastic it looks really cheap and the espresso handle doesn't lock all the way in, its not deep in the front were you brew your espresso. VERRY DISAPPOINTED
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After reading through all the instructions to make sure I would be setting this up correctly, I began going step by step to do the "start-up" procedure. After about 10 attempts to make this machine work, and cleaning up water from all over my countertop from it pouring out all over the place several times, I finally gave up. I called Seaco's customer service line and spoke to a very nice man who is going to send me anew machine since this one is obviously faulty! I'll let you know how I like it after I get the replaced machine, which should be between 7-10 days.. Very disappointed at this point.
Comments about Stainless Steel Aroma Espresso Machine by Saeco:
This is a simple machine for the whole family. The coffee is delicious. I thought the machine might be too small, but easily solved that by placing it on a spare chopping block (to more easily use the steamer) and taking out the drain grate. Now my smaller coffee cups fit under the filter just fine, and I can steam a small pitcher of milk on the side. WONderful. My children love a bit of steamed, frothed milk with a dash of vanilla and a sprinkle of cinammon, and my husband and I have our espresso, grandparents prefer it "American" with extra hot water out of the steamer nozzle...
Comments about Stainless Steel Aroma Espresso Machine by Saeco:
I was expecting the same ease of use as the Starbuck's Barista this machine replaced. Not so. It is difficult to put the milk under the steaming wand. . . limited heighth . . . the drip tray is too narrow to balance the regular-sized containers. . . AND the button lights are very difficult to see if they are on. It does make good coffee but is just not easy to use.
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I've used Starbucks espresso makers for years, but this is the first time I've written a review. I thought it was difficult to use. I didn't like the coffee at all, thought it was bitter. Very disappointed with Starbucks. I've been using their espresso makers for years and years and this is the first one I've had problems with. My son got this for me for Christmas or I would send it back...
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would not recommend would like to try another machine in the line though
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Elva Couch, 95, died Tuesday, Dec. 31 at the Hazard ARH medical center.
She was born July 14, 1917 in Whitley City, Ky., the daughter of the late John B. Leveridge and Jeanette Brown. She was also preceded in death by the following her husband, Gillreece Couch, six brothers, and two sisters.
She is survived by her son, Gil Couch of Johnson City, Tn.; grandchildren Lesley Couch, and Tom Calf and Angela Cross; great-grandchildren Sean Cross and Kyle Cross, all of Tennessee; and a host of nieces, nephews, and other relatives and friends.
Funeral services will be held at 2 p.m. on Thursday, Jan. 3 at the Engle Bowling Funeral Home Chapel of Hazard, where the family will receive friends for visitation between the hours of noon until 2 p.m. Burial will take place at the Riverside Cemetery in Hazard.