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Nov 3, 2007 12
Musharraf Declares State of Emergency
- Musharraf suspends constitution, declares emergency rule, and imposes Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO)
- Transmission of news channels shut down in Pakistan
- Supreme Court Chief Justice sacked, arrested and replaced with Musharraf loyalist
- Over 1500 civilians arrested
- Senior figures jailed or house arrested:
- Lawyers' movement: Aitzaz Ahsan, Munir Malik, Ali Ahmad Kurd, Tariq Mehmood, Ikram Chaudhry, Syed Muhammad Shah, and Ahsan Bhon
- Tehreek-e Insaf: Imran Khan (has reportedly gone into hiding after suggesting to AFP that Musharraf's moves are treason punishable by death), Abdul Samad Shaikh, and Badar Soomro
- PML-N: Javed Hashmi, Khawaja Asif, Afzal Gujjar, and Zahid Rafiq Butt
- Human rights advocates: Asma Jehangir and I.A. Rehman
- Ethnic politicians: Mehmood Khan Achakzai, Asfandyar Wali, and Hadi Bhat
- Pro-jihadi voices: Hameed Gul
- Lawyers' movement: Aitzaz Ahsan, Munir Malik, Ali Ahmad Kurd, Tariq Mehmood, Ikram Chaudhry, Syed Muhammad Shah, and Ahsan Bhon
- Seven SC justices declare PCO unconstitutional [text of statement]
- PCO excerpt: "No court including the Supreme Court, the Federal Shariat Court, and the High Courts, and any tribunal or other authority shall call or permit to be called in question this Order."
- State Department "deeply disturbed" by declaration of emergency rule
- Condoleeza Rice: ER is "highly regrettable"; Expressed opposition to emergency rule on Friday
- Benazir Bhutto returns to Karachi from Dubai
- Musharraf's address to nation:
- Inaction would be suicide for Pakistan
- Need balance of powers between three branches of government;
- Judiciary superseded its role and stifled counterterrorism efforts
- All assemblies, chief ministers and governors will remain in place
- Compares his extraconstitutional moves to those of Abraham Lincoln during U.S. Civil War
- Two new ordinances censoring media content
- Mushahid Hussain opposes emergency rule; Says 20 out of 25 members of Musharraf's inner circle voted for emergency rule
- Live Pakistani television available on our site
- Texts of Emergency Proclamation, Provisional Constitutional Order, and State Department statement below
- NYT: CENTOM Chief Adm. William Fallon yesterday "told General Musharraf and his top generals in a meeting here that declaring emergency rule would jeopardize American financial support for the Pakistani military."
- Pentagon spokesperson: No U.S. plans to suspend military aid to Pakistan
- Shaukat Aziz: Elections could be delayed for up to a year; 500 "preventative" arrests made
- Condoleeza Rice: U.S. will review aid to Pakistan
- Updates posted below
Pakistan's 'tumultuous two weeks' has begun with a bang. A state of emergency has been declared by Pervez Musharraf. He is expected to address the country at approximately 11PM Pakistan Standard Time/2PM New York.
The constitution has been suspended and the country is being run under a Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO). Seven judges of the Supreme Court — along with the media, a primary target of the constitutional suspension — have declared the PCO unconstitutional. Musharraf has sacked Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry and another justice, Abdul Hameed Dogar (pictured on the left) — a Musharraf loyalist — has taken the oath to replace him. At this point, Dogar has only been joined by 3-4 other justices. Similar developments are occurring with provincial high courts.
The army has taken control of the Supreme Court, surrounded the buildings of major news stations, and arrested or detained many politicians. Cable television operators have been ordered to shut the transmission of news channels. Some Pakistani channels (such as GEO), broadcast out of Dubai and so they are available to viewers not utilizing Pakistani cable (e.g. Internet/satellite in and outside of Pakistan).
In his proclamation of emergency (full text below), Musharraf — identifying himself as chief of army staff, not president — cites the rising violence in the country as the basis for his imposing martial law. However, the text holds the judiciary most culpable for the rise in violence. It lambastes them for allegedly encroaching upon the territory of the legislative and executive branches, stating, "Whereas some members of the judiciary are working at cross purposes with the executive and legislature in the fight against terrorism and extremism, thereby weakening the government and the nation's resolve and diluting the efficacy of its actions to control this menace."
But it lists a litany of other alleged unrelated offenses by the judiciary, including: "interference by some members of the judiciary in government policy, adversely affecting economic growth." Here and elsewhere in the text, they are referring to the Supreme Court's opposition to the privatization of Pakistan Steel Mills, among other acts. Today's events, therefore, extend beyond terror — even by Musharraf's own admission. The declaration of emergency rule are a challenge to the separation of powers and independence of the judiciary.
Yesterday, I wrote that by mid-November, "we might find out what lessons [Musharraf has] learned from the strife of the past year. "
I asked: "Will he conclude that the solution involves not a greater centralization of power but an efficient distribution of labor between the military, popular civilian politicians, and the judiciary? Will he conclude that his greatest threat is not the country's civilian politicians or judiciary, but vigilantees who cut off the heads of Pakistani soldiers and incinerate civilians in the streets?"
We apparently have our answers in advance. The answers seem to be, quite sadly, "No" and "No."
UPDATE: 2:40PM – Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto has returned to Karachi from Dubai. Her plane is currently on a tarmac at Karachi's Quaid-e Azam International Airport. Approximately 100 security personnel have surrounded her Karachi home. It is unclear as to whether she will be sent abroad, arrested or detained, or permitted to travel somewhat freely.
UPDATE: 2:42PM – List of arrested or detained political, judicial, and social figures:
- Iftikhar Chaudhry (Supreme Court Chief Justice);
- Aitzaz Ahsan (People's Party Senator and President of the Supreme Court Bar Association);
- Imran Khan (President, Tehreek-e Insaaf);
- Various Baloch and Sindhi nationalist leaders.
UPDATE: 2:48PM – U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice tells CNN that Musharraf's declaration of emergency rule is "highly regrettable."
UPDATE: 2:50PM – Musharraf is addressing the country on the state-run Pakistan Television (PTV). Address is simulcast on non-news channels.
UPDATE: 2:53PM – Musharraf's address: Today's events are the result of Pakistan's internal discord. Says his guiding consideration for whatever action he has and will take is "Sub se pahlay Pakistan" (Pakistan first).
UPDATE: 2:55PM – Musharraf's address: Terror attacks are widespread. In major cities across Pakistan. Terrorists don't fear law enforcement agencies. They're very confident. They're in settled areas, such as Swat. Even in Islamabad, "the heart of Pakistan…the capital of Pakistan." Militants have created a "government within the government" challenging the writ of the central government.
UPDATE: 2:57PM – Musharraf's address: State of governance is "semi-paralysis." Government officials have been "dishonored" by the judiciary. There are over 100 suo moto cases in the Supreme Court. Law enforcement agencies have been "demoralized." Why? Because their officers have been charged, suspended, or convicted by the judiciary. As a result, they have been immobilized out of fear of punishment.
UPDATE: 3:00PM – Musharraf's address: Describes three stages of his rule. First stage (1999-2002), Pakistan was a failing state when he took over. He was in total control in the first stage. In the second stage (2002-2007), he "oversaw" a transition to civilian, democratic governance. This was the first time Senate, National Assemblies, etc. lasted their entire time. Now we're in the last stage of this transition — the third stage — in which there would be a complete return to civilian rule. He says he sought national reconciliation, but for political and other reasons, some have sought to obstruct this process in its final stages — the final few months.
UPDATE: 3:04PM – Musharraf's address: There has been a great downturn. Foreign investors have slowed down their investment in Pakistan. The quality of life has improved over the past five years. Infrastructural development, airports, railways, mobile telephones, etc. are now spreading. In the social sector, primary and and secondary and higher education have been improving — but is afraid the advances of the past seven years will be washed away.
UPDATE: 3:06PM – Musharraf's address: He says foreigners have been calling him in recent weeks, asking him what's going on in Pakistan, as the uncertainty and instability rises. Says to that "some television channels" and "some television programs" have contributed to national uncertainty. He says this is the media that "I gave independence to." "The media should be independent, but should be responsible."
UPDATE: 3:09PM – Musharraf's address: He asks, "Why are we in this situation?" Blames it on "judicial activism." Says the judiciary has trampled upon the executive and legislative branches and that this began when he referenced the Supreme Court Chief Justice on March 9. Says he wasn't personally involved in that.
UPDATE: 3:16PM – Musharraf's address: Goes into detail about the recent rise of the militants — including into the heart of Islamabad. Says the government took action against them after patient deliberation. Says the courts subsequently freed individuals definitely involved in terrorism. Says they could have been involved in recent terror attacks. Says the courts ordered the re-opening of madrasas training militants.
UPDATE: 3:23PM – Musharraf's address: My brothers and sisters…what is happening to this country? Where are we going? How do we curb this downside movement? Need a balance of powers between the three pillars of state — the judiciary, legislative and executive.
UPDATE: 3:25PM – Musharraf's address: In order to complete the third phase, need emergency rule. No change in government. Prime ministers, governors, and chief ministers will remain in office. All the assemblies will remain in place.
UPDATE: 3:27PM – Musharraf's address: Speaks in English now. Says he wants to speak to the world and "particularly to our friends in the West, the United States, the European Union, and the Commonwealth." "I would ask you to kindly understand the criticality of the environment inside and outside Pakistan. Pakistan is on the verge of destabilization. If not arrested in time now, without any further delay, what saddens me most is that after all what we have achieved, I see in front of my eyes, Pakistan's upsurge taking a downward trend. I personally, with all my conviction and with all the facts available to me. I consider that inaction at this moment is suicide for Pakistan and I cannot allow this country to commit suicide. Therefore, I had to take this action in order to preserve the democratic transition which I initiated eight years back…..I request you all to bear with us. To the critics and idealists against this action, I would like to say, please do not expect or demand your level of democracy, which you learned over a number of centuries. We're also trying to learn and we're doing well. Please give us time. Please also do not demand your level of civil rights, human rights, civil liberties which you've learned over centuries….Please give us time."
UPDATE: 3:35PM – Musharraf's address: He then reads a passage from a text on Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeus corpus during the civil war. Then he reads from a letter written by Lincoln, "My oath to preserve the constitution imposed on me the duty of preserving by every indispensable means that government that nation of which the constitution was the organic law. was it possible to lose the nation and yet preserve the constitution? by general law life and limb but be protected but often a limb must be amputated to save a life…i felt that measures otherwise unconstitutional might become unlawful by becoming indispensable to the right or wrong I assumed this wrong and now avow it." Musharraf says, "We are also learning democracy. We are going through a difficult stage. It is the nation that is important. Pakistan comes first. Anyone else's considerations comes after Pakistan. With all my sincerity, whatever I'm doing is in the interest of Pakistan."
UPDATE: 3:37PM – Musharraf's address: Ends address by returning to Urdu and stating that the people of Pakistan are agitated by the uncertainty will confront the nation's challenges together.
UPDATE: 3:40PM – Benazir Bhutto has left Karachi airport and is on her way home to Bilawal House in Karachi's Clifton area.
UPDATE: 3:47PM – Musharraf has issued two new ordinances affect the print and electronic media "prohibiting them to publish or broadcast statements that abet terrorist activities or terrorism."
UPDATE: 3:53PM – Benazir Bhutto is holding a press conference right now. Reads Musharraf's statement and says "this is not emergency rule" but martial law. Says martial law must be ended and the constitution must be revived immediately. Says she returned from Dubai immediately after learning that television transmission was being cut off in Pakistan. Expressed her solidarity with the rest of Pakistan's political parties.
UPDATE: 4:03PM – Mushahid Hussain, secretary general of Musharraf's Muslim League faction (PML-Q), tells the Washington Post of his opposition to the imposition of emergency rule, terming it "de facto martial law." The Post says, "He said he had repeatedly tried to persuade the president against the measures in recent days but was outvoted within Musharraf's inner circle." Hussain says Musharraf "convened a meeting of his top advisers on Wednesday to discuss their options and that 20 of 25 were in favor of emergency rule."
UPDATE: 4:15PM – Aitzaz Ahsan, president of the Supreme Court Bar Association and People's Party senator, speaks to ARY One World from a police station bathroom. He refers to Musharraf as a "spoiled brat" and a "bad loser." Says he's arrested under a "maintenance of order" provision. [Video]
UPDATE: 8:02PM – Benazir Bhutto says, in an interview with NBC's Andrea Mitchell, "we would like to protest the imposition of martial law, and we would like to raise our voices for the restoration of democracy. So we're going to be meeting together to discuss the most effective ways of doing that."
UPDATE: November 4, 2007 — 12:45AM - GEO reports that opposition figure Javed Hashmi and 10 other PML-N figures have been arrested in Multan.
UPDATE: 1:04AM – A Pentagon spokesperson says, "At this point, the declaration does not impact on our military support for Pakistan's efforts in the war on terror."
UPDATE: 1:26AM – Out of Pakistan's three major Urdu news channels — GEO, ARY One World, and AAJ — only the latter beams exclusively out of Pakistan. Both GEO and ARY One World, for events like yesterday's, made the wise decision years ago to transmit from Dubai's Media City. Their main studios are also located there. As a result, they are still broadcasting to those who can receive their signal — satellite and Internet viewers. AAJ, unfortunately, is entirely Pakistan-based and to top it off, its broadcasting studios were raided by security officials and much of their equipment was confiscated. Their Karachi studios were targeted during the violence coinciding with the Chief Justice's ill-fated visit to the city in May.
UPDATE: 2:45AM – Imran Khan, previously under house arrest, has been taken to Koh Lakhpat Jail, according to Pakistan Tehreek-e Insaaf. This comes after his many interviews with the Pakistani and foreign press, including one with the AFP in which he is quoted as suggesting that Musharraf has committed treason punishable by death.
UPDATE: 3:24AM – GEO reports that former ISI Chief Hameed Gul has been arrested.
UPDATE: 3:45AM – AAJ TV is back on air (available here), but like other channels currently permitted to broadcast in Pakistan, is broadcasting non-news and non-political content. But this site states that it had Ret. Judge Wajihuddin Ahmed on the air.
UPDATE: 3:58AM – AAJ TV seems to have been taken off the air again.
UPDATE: 4:19AM – Tariq Fatemi, a retired senior Pakistani diplomat tells GEO that U.S. and Western capitals' public reaction with feature an "expression of regret and expectation of improvement", but privately, it will be business as usual. He says their primary interests in Pakistan are three-fold: 1) The war on terror; 2) Continuation of military campaigns along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border; 3) Ensuring Pakistan's help in a war against Iran.
UPDATE: 4:36AM – AAJ is back on the air. Another religious show is on.
UPDATE: 12:24PM – Geo reports that Asfandyar Wali, head of the Awami National Party, is under house arrest.
STATE DEPARTMENT STATEMENT [Link]
"The United States is deeply disturbed by reports that Pakistani President Musharraf has taken extra-constitutional actions and has imposed a state of emergency. A state of emergency would be a sharp setback for Pakistani democracy and takes Pakistan off the path toward civilian rule. President Musharraf has stated repeatedly that he will step down as Chief of Army Staff before re-taking the presidential oath of office and has promised to hold elections by January 15th. We expect him to uphold these commitments and urge him to do so immediate. The United States stand with the people of Pakistan in supporting a democratic process and in countering violent extremism. We urge all parties to work together to complete the transition to democracy and civilian rule without violence or delay."
ISLAMABAD, Nov 3 (AFP): This is the full text of the proclamation of the emergency:
Whereas there is visible ascendancy in the activities of extremists and incidents of terrorist attacks, including suicide bombings, IED explosions, rocket firing and bomb explosions and the banding together of some militant groups have taken such activities to an unprecedented level of violent intensity posing a grave threat to the life and property of the citizens of Pakistan.
Whereas there has also been a spate of attacks on state infrastructure and on law enforcement agencies;
Whereas some members of the judiciary are working at cross purposes with the executive and legislature in the fight against terrorism and extremism, thereby weakening the government and the nation's resolve and diluting the efficacy of its actions to control this menace;
Whereas there has been increasing interference by some members of the judiciary in government policy, adversely affecting economic growth, in particular;
Whereas constant interference in executive function, including but not limited to the control of terrorist activity, economic policy, price controls, downsizing of corporations and urban planning, has weakened the writ of the government; the police force has been completely demoralized and is fast losing its efficacy to fight terrorism and Intelligence Agencies have been thwarted in their activities and prevented from pursuing terrorists;
Whereas some hard core militants, extremists, terrorists and suicide bombers, who were arrested and being investigated were ordered to be released.
The persons so released have subsequently been involved in heinous terrorist activities, resulting in loss of human life an property. Militants across the country have, thus, been encouraged while law enforcement agencies subdued;
Whereas some judges by overstepping the limits of judicial authority have taken over the executive and legislative functions;
Whereas the Government is committed to the independence of the judiciary and the rule of law and holds the superior judiciary in high esteem, it is nonetheless of paramount importance that the honourable Judges confine the scope of their activity to the judicial function and not assume charge of administrations;
Whereas an important constitutional institution, the Supreme Judicial Council, has been made entirely irrelevant and non est by a recent order and judges have, thus, make themselves immune from inquiry into their conduct and put themselves beyond accountability.
Whereas the humiliating treatment meted to government officials by some members of the judiciary on a routine basis during court proceedings has demoralized the civil bureaucracy and senior government functionaries, to avoid being harassed, prefer inaction;
Whereas the law and order situation in the country as well as the economy have been adversely affected and trichotomy of powers eroded;
Whereas a situation has thus arisen where the government of the country cannot be carried on it
Accordance with the constitution and as the constitution provides no solution for this situation, there is no way out except through emergent and extraordinary measures;
And whereas the situation has been reviewed in meetings with the Prime Minister, governors of all Provinces, and with chairman joint chiefs of staff committee, chiefs of the armed forces, vice chief of army Staff and corps commanders of the Pakistan army;
Now, therefore, in pursuance of the deliberations and decisions of the said meetings, I, General Pervez Musharraf, Chief of the Army Staff, proclaim emergency throughout Pakistan.
I hereby order and proclaim that the constitution of the Islamic republic of Pakistan shall remain in abeyance.
This Proclamation shall come into force at once.
Text of Provisional Constitution Order
ISLAMABAD, Nov 3 (APP) – Following is the text of the Provisional Constiotution Order issued on Saturday:
In pursuance of the Proclamation of the 3rd day of November, 2007, and in exercise of all powers enabling him in that behalf, the Chief of Army Staff under the Proclamation of Emergency of the 3rd day of November, 2007, is pleased to make and promulgate the following Order:-
1. (1) This Oder may be called the Provisional Constitution Order No. 1 of 2007.
(2) It extends to the whole of Pakistan,
(3) It shall come into force at once.
2* (1) Notwithstanding the abeyance of the provisions of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, hereinafter referred to as the Constitution, Pakistan shall, subject to this Order and any other Order made by the President be governed, as nearly as may be, in accordance with the Constitution:
Provided that the President may, from time to time, by Order amend the Constitution, as is deemed expedient;
Provided further that the Fundamental Rights under Articles 9, 10, 15,16,17,19 and 25 shall remain suspended.
(2) Notwithstanding anything contained in the Proclamation of the 3rd day of November, 2007, or this Order or any other law for the time being in force all provisions of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan embodying Islamic injunctions including Articles 2t 2A, 31, 203A to 203J, 227 to 231 and 260 (3) (a) and (b) shall continue to be In force.
(3) Subject to clause (1) above and the Oath of Office
(Judges) Order, 2007, all courts in existence immediately before the commencement of this Order shall continue to function and to exercise their respective powers and jurisdication.
Provided that the Supreme Court or a High Court and any other court shall not have the power to make any order against the President or the Prime Minister or any person exercising powers or jurisdiction under their authority.
(4) All personi who immediately before the commencement of this Order were in office as judges of the Supreme Court, the Federal Shariat Court or a High Court, shall be governed by and be subject to the Oath of Office (Judges) Order, 2007, and such further Orders as the President may pass.
(5) Subject to clause (1) above, the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) and the Provincial Assemblies shall continue to function.
(6) All persons who, immediately before the commencement of this Order, were holding any service, post or office in connection with the affairs of the Federation ox of a Province, including an All Pakistan Service, Service in the Armed Forces and any other Service declared to be a Service of Pakistan by or under Act of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament) or of a Provincial Assembly, or Chief Election Commissioner or Auditor General shall continue in the said service on the same terms and conditions and shall enjoy the same privileges, if any, unless these are changed under Orders of the President.
3, (l) No court including the Supreme Court, the Federal Shariat Court, and the High Courts, and any tribunal or other authority shall call or permit to be called in question this Order, the Proclamation of Emergency of the 3rd day of November, 5007, the Oath of Office (Judges) Order, 2007 or any Order made in pursuance thereof.
(2) No judgment, decree, writ, order or process whatsoever shall be made or issued by any court or tribunal against the President or the Prime Minister or any authority designated by the President.
4. (]) Notwithstanding the abeyance of the provisions of the Constitution, but subject to the Orders of the President, all laws other than the Constitution, til Ordinances. Orders, Rules, Bye-laws, Regulations, Notifications and other legal Instruments in force in any part of Pakistan, whether made by the President or the Governor of a Province, shall continue in force until ltered, amended or repealed by the Preaidont or any authority designated by him.
5. (I) An Ordinance promulgated by the President or by the Governor of a Province shall not be subject to any limitations as to duration prescribed in the Constitution.
(2) The provisions of clause (1) shall also apply to an Ordinance issued by the President or by a Governor which was in force immediately before the commencement of the Proclamation of Emergency of the 3rd day of November, 2007.


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Master of Psychology (Industrial and Organisational)
Course summary for local students
|2015 course information
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|Master of Psychology (Industrial and Organisational)
|Offered at Burwood (Melbourne)
|Cloud (online)
|2 years full-time or part-time equivalent
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|Indicative annual fee 2015
|$24,260* - Full-fee paying place
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Course is under review in 2015 and may be subject to change
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Course overview
Organisational psychology is the science of people at work. As an organisational psychologist you may work with organisations, teams and individual employees to improve their performance and increase effectiveness and productivity in the workplace. You may analyse organisations and their people, and devise strategies to recruit, motivate, develop, change and inspire.
The Master of Psychology (Industrial and Organisational) you will acquire the academic, practical and research skills required for accreditation and registration, and to enter this specialty profession either in employment as practising organisational psychologists or as an employee of one of the many organisations or industries employing psychologists.
Throughout the course you will develop specialist knowledge of industrial and organisational psychology; competence in the design and conduct of research gained through completing a thesis in the area of industrial or organisational psychology; and knowledge and awareness of the ethical principles of psychological practice, in particular in relation to the practice of industrial/organisation psychology.
Professional recognition
The Master of Psychology (Industrial and Organisational) meets the requirements for graduates to register as generalist psychologists with the Psychology Board of Australia, and for membership of the Australian Psychological Society (APS). Graduates will be eligible to apply for membership of the College of Organisational Psychologists and endorsement as an Organisational Psychologist following two years of work experience supervised by an organisational psychologist, together with completion of stipulated professional development requirements.
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Organisational psychology is the fastest growing area of psychology in Australia and the United States. Organisations have come to appreciate the contribution that organisational psychologists can make in areas such as personnel selection, employee motivation, teamwork, communication skills, stress management, employee evaluation, job satisfaction, efficiency and productivity. As a registered and accredited organisational psychologist, you may find employment as practising organisational psychologists or as an employee of one of the many organisations or industries employing psychologists.
Course rules
The course consists of 16 credit points covering three inter-related strands: theory, research and practice. The course has a strong emphasis on a practical problem-solving approach within a structure of organisational psychology units. Students are required to complete a minimum of 125 days of professional work experience within an organisational setting. Students will complete a minimum of 4 credit points each trimester over two years for full time study or part time equivalent.
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|Leadership Assessment, Development and Coaching
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|Organisational Placement 1
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|Organisational Placement 2
|An Introduction to Organisational Psychology
|Organisational Intervention Strategies and Skills
|Organisational Placement 3
|Occupational Health and Wellbeing
|Psychological Assessment in Organisations
|Issues in Professional Organisational Psychology
|Research Thesis A
|Research Thesis B
|Research Thesis C
|Research Thesis D
Students are also expected to attend the weekly School Research Colloquia.
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Wednesday, November 6, 2013
The Cassina Group, a Charleston based real estate company, was recognized as one of the top performing companies in the state of South Carolina. The company was awarded at SC Biz News' annual Roaring Twenties event held Oct. 24 in Columbia.
"We are flattered to have been included in this exclusive list of top-performing companies," said Jimmy Dye, co-founder of The Cassina Group. "Our company has grown every year since its founding, and we are excited to continue this positive trajectory."
The Cassina Group was founded by Jimmy Dye and Robertson Allen in 2006 and has since grown to a company of 16 general brokerage agents and four buyer's agents. Company sales for the year have already exceeded those of 2012 with 315 transactions closed for a total sales volume of over $129 million. They have two offices in the Charleston area including one in Mount Pleasant and one in downtown Charleston.
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Working my way through Shadowland by Peter Straub. The first hundred pages were excellent; hopefully the rest will follow suit.
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Mr. King apparently has had interest in the civil rights movement. Some of the later chapters have some interesting insight to the sociology and psychology that was happening at the time. Including Rosa Parks, M L King, etc. I'm not sure it worth passing on , just in case it is, fyi..
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Several crisize the linear storylines in SWTOR. I think they are necessary.
Each storyline was completed by an unamed individual and is part of the story of TOR. Characters are reliving that story. This demands linear stories.
Linear stories are not a bad thing. WOW has many zones with no story at all. Their best zones are story line zones (which are linear as well).
Story is one of the best things about SWTOR. There are eight solid stories to experience, and then you write your own story in the end game.
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Well, I think that's why I was let down by story of SWTOR. Bioware kept pumping us with how the "story" aspect of the MMO genre had not been fully explored before. It seemed they were going to push into new territory with SWTOR.
But even by your own post, you note that WoW has linear storytelling already.
It doesn't seem like Bioware really pushed anything new into storytelling at all, except for the illusion of choice via the dialogue wheel.
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Joined: 8/20/03
Nice opinions, the issue for me is that outside of these stories there is very little to do. If you do not want to progress your story line, there is little reason to log in. The stories are also very generic and not very inspired.
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I mean, I can't count on either hand the number of times my Bounty Hunter was betrated by folks in his story, after the third time you just grow to expect it. "Oh, meet up at the party? Damn, guess I gotta kill all the dudes from this planet," "Oh, meet such and such at the secret location? Let me make sure I got supplies for the ambush."
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Joined: 6/11/08
I think with my heart and move with my head.-Kongos
Is this a surprise or something? It would have been nice to have branching story lines, but there was never any indication that such a thing would exist.
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Joined: 9/11/05
Story was pushed to the forefront in this game in a way that had never been done in an MMORPG before. This was actually the first MMORPG I played where I actually cared about the story. For me, that is not a simple undertaking. So it was a big deal for me.
I think a lot of people just got bored with it rather quickly and outside of story, the saw "WoW with lightsabers" (not a perception I hold, mind you).
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Originally posted by Ahnog
It's not necessary at all. They could have had each story have branches. Rather than having a linear order of planets, the player could have chosen a path on one of two planets.
Leveling alts of the same faction is abdurdedly linear and boring for 90% of the content which is non class story content.
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Joined: 12/02/11
Every MMO which introduces end up as a linear gameplay. Two other examples TSW and GW2. So we already know it is necessary mechanic of story telling. SWTOR storytelling was fabulous, it is rest of the content which was lacking.
It is quite possible to keep story telling path linear and also offer freedom to players when they are not following storyline.
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Originally posted by lizardbones
I agree, I still enjoy the stories. I would love to see a hard mode at level 50 that would allow you to run just the story quest after you finish the quests at 50. This would give you a chance to make different choices as well as have level 50 mobs through the entire quest line. Could be a fun way to increase companion affection as well.
Linear is required when you have level zones to the game. No way around it IMO except to have double the planets in SWTOR's case. Then the complaint would be that I made "x" choice and my friend made "y" choice and we can no longer play together because we are on different worlds at the same level.
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I recall "Choose Your Own Adventure" books that figured out how to have non-linear, branching story lines in the 1970's and 1980's. It's not that tough a concept and shouldn't be that hard to execute unless like Bioware you had a shoe-string budget. Oh wait a minute.
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That would have been really cool. For instance, you have an overall goal on each planet (free the slave droids, whatever), but you have a couple different choices of how to achieve that goal. You could kill the slavers, or help supply the insurgents or something. The problem is that stuff is simple in theory, but it would have very quickly increased the already ridiculous development costs of the game. Still, it would have been really cool
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There are other issues too, pointed out by some posters above. If I choose path A, and my friend chooses path B, now we have to figure out how to do some quests together without messing everything up.
I'm sure there are other reasons too, probably all related to money and having multiple players.
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Of course Swtor heavy-focus on story-line require linearity. Multi-branching this story-line would require insane amount of money, would not eliminate linearity completly and imho in mmorpg would be very hard to achieve without heavy phasing and possibly even more instancing that Swtor already have.
STILL you missing the point OP. People who complain(ed) about Swtor's linearity do realize that it was necessary because heavy-story focus and that making Swtor (or any mmorpg) less linear would also mean that it will be LESS story focused.
When I do personally have to choose in mmorpg between:
a) heavy-story focus, cutscenes, phasing, linearity, one big unfolding connected story
b) less linear gameplay, no or few cutscenes, no phasing, smaller separate stories here and there.
I choose option b.
That's also why you think that big linear stories with zone phasing in WoW is 'better' and why I think it is 'worse'. Because we like diffrent things.
If I want cutsceanes heavy, story heavy gameplay I play games like The Witcher 2, where story is multibranched and where decision matters and where because of it's being single player developers can deliver those things.
I really don't play mmorpg's to have linear story-heavy experience just with other players.
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I suppose it was ok for one run through, but I'll be damned if I'm going to run an alt through the same exact linear zones and quests. It also totally destroys the feeling of a virtual world to have linear story line only zones.
I thought the way GW2 did the story was fine (although I felt the stories themselves were better in SWTOR). They didn't design the zones only around being linear. Hell I have skipped most of the personal story on most of my alts in GW2 and feel that I haven't missed a thing.
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Originally posted by Ahnog
A story in a book is linear. You read what the author wrote. A reader can drift off imagining what would or what could have happened if a protagonist did or said different things. In the end you follow what the author wrote down.
In a computer game things can be done less linear. Take into account that a player might choose path A or path B or path C or ... .... . Now the gamne can be made in a way to react to the player's actions. In a single player game that will be easiest to implement. Player makes a certain choice -> the game world (or a fraction of the game world or just some NPCs) is going to change accordingly.
In an MMO this doesn't work thus easily. If you change the game world according to a player's actions then you'd end up with lots of phasing -> most players would end up in their own unique phase. Having only one game world and have players' action affect this one game world wouldn't work either. You have to keep in mind that players play differently and with different play speeds. If player A solved a certain quest and the game world had changed what would there be for player B to do if he/she played the same conttent some weeks later? The standard way is that quests work simply according to some fire and forget mechanism (speak to quest giver -> solve quest -> report back to quest giver). Once you are done with a quest you can't speak anymore with the quest giver. The environement looks the same. The quest givers told your character that by finishing the quest somethin has changed, but the players don't see much of an impact (i.e. if the player had to rout some bandits in the area and the area remains ridden with bandits nonetheless).
This just creates a feeling that the game world is sterile / static.
All this wouldn't be much of an issue. But the game world was tailored strongly around the story element. You start on planet A. After you do the first quests and your class quests you will be sent to the faction's capital. You do some quests here and then eventually get your own spacecraft. Now you can freely travel to other planets. Doing each of the stories once or twice is OK. But no matter which class you play you'll more or less visit the same planets in almost the same order. There would have been no need for such railroading in the first place. Why not allow players to immediately visit the whole galaxy. Keep in mind that if you do the regular questing, then add some PvP sessions and some flashpoints into your daily routine then you'll easily outlevel and outgear the planets which you still need to visit to advance your class story. Maybe you don't want to do all those class quests with your 10th character. Maybe you want to try an alternative build/specialisation of your favourite class. Maybe you want to simply do some flashpoints, some PvP and then the planets in your current level range. Why do you need your own spacecraft to get to other planets? You can enter the spacecraft from a party member but only after you have unlocked your own spacecraft. Why can't you simply buy the spacecraft or pay another player to transport you to a certain destination?
Especially this last aspect breeds a feeling of linearity and lowers replayability.
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SWTOR is a KoTOR game, quite possibly the KoTOR 3 game everyone asked for. It is a KoTOR game with a persistent MMO world. KoTOR always had a linear story, true you had option as to order of planet progression. But there was an optimal path. The single player story had either the light or dark ending based on dialog choices.
Listen ALL games are linear, when a programmer looks or thinks about it. Games create the illusion of randomness with random number generator, which are in fact just illusions of randomness. Either because of space, time, or cost the number of choices are slim. The greatest never ending "sandbox" games really only have at most the same five choice given over and over again.
What can you do in a game?
1 Kill somthing
2. Use something
3. Talk to something
4. Go to something
5. Make something
Yes you can do Anything so long as it fits into this list. Maybe this is all that life really is. But I don't think so.
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Originally posted by Ahnog
Linearity in an MMORPG is a very bad thing regardless from where it comes from. Linearity stiffles freedom, inhibits exploration and dulls the senses!
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Originally posted by grimal
I totally agree with you. The problem was for me that by the time I hit around the mid 30s, now Im level 43 I think, I found that it was too linear and not alive enough. I also wish it would remove all options for everyone with regard to knowing the alignment choice upfront when you respond to the branching story. I think you can toggle that off, but it should be the same for everyone and would make things feel less scripted. Anyway, I just resubscribed, so I'll be curious after focusing on GW2 how I feel about rejoining. I see myself bouncing back and forth between both games as they each have their strength.
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I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?
The story was the core of the MMO instead of being a premiere aspect of it. I started MMOs with SWTOR and its initial impression was excellent. Where the game fell flat, and where many of us have said many times, were the activities (I call systems) outside of the story.
If the goal of the game was to play through the stories and then quit (console style) this game would have done really well with replay value (8 stories) to boot. The issue was that was not the goal. The goal was to have an MMO and that definition has meaning, one of which is the ability to live in an environment or even more basically just giving me other things to waste my time with.
There were many chances for this to occur. The cantina is the best I can think of. It just screams social scene for characters to hang out in, and when you visit one in the game it desolate. I felt they spent some much of the resources on the story they didnt focus enough on the environment. While the planets were large they lacked character and passion and didnt scream for me to explore them. Crafting felt like an afterthought.
So the question came down to. Now that I completed a story (if you were able to get that far). What else was there to do? On rails shooters? In an MMO. Not for me. Flashpoints? I'll admit some were fun but not enough to get me to stay logged on. Warzones? Never tried them, no interest to.
But notice how the opinion changes as soon as the game goes F2P. Now all of a sudden the rest of the stories sound more interesting. Not because they are better now than before, but I wont feel like Im *wasting* 15/month for something not equal to the quality. If I play half way through a story and I dont like it... I lose nothing but time, which for me is something I can easily afford.
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A defense of linear gameplay? Really?
Heh, I suppose some people prefer Skinner Boxes over freedom. Baffling.
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Is for people who don't need much in a game. If SWTOR was a great game for you after you leveled to 50 and completed the quests, then you should be safely entertained to the limit of your desires by any title, past, present, or future.
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I have a MacBook Pro, a Mac Mini, an iPhone 5, and an iPad 2. I'm pretty deep in the ecosystem so it makes sense for me to stick with the iPhone (I started with the 3G). That HTC One does look awful sweet though.
Survey shows iPhone loyalty still beating out Android
A recent survey produced some fairly promising results for iPhone's future in the U.S. About half of respondents said they were using an Android phone, and only about 30% iPhone. The same amount (42%) said they would go with either Android and iOS for their next smartphone. Though that sounds a little dour, what's really interesting are the retention rates.
Only 6% of iOS users were intending to switch to Android, with 91% intending to buy another iPhone. Meanwhile 24% of Android users planned to defect, 18% to iPhone. These results have led the researchers to project that there will be more iPhone owners in the U.S. than Android by 2015. The study, conducted by Yankee Group, spanned 16,000 Americans over the last 12 months, so you can expect that these results are fairly representative, if not their projections.
There have been plenty of studies in the past which cement Apple loyalty, and it's good to see that the trend is keeping up. Let's be fair - the HTC One looks pretty sweet, and should appeal to many of the physical design sensibilities ingrained in iPhone users, but how many of you are seriously considering a switch for your next phone? What is it about the iPhone that keeps you coming back model after model?
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Survey shows iPhone loyalty still beating out Android
Swap the Mac Mini for an iPad Mini & I'm in the same boat as u......that being said, 100% agree on the HTC One. I grabbed the latest Nexus from the Google Play store bc the price was too good to pass up (sidenote: IMHO Android has changed, for the better, since I had an OG Nexus 1....the interapp communication makes me jealous) BUT the HTC One is the first Android device since my OG Nexus that I actually WANT. HTC really stepped it up with the design & overall polish on it, definitely the only phone that is on par with the iPhone 5 in those categories IMO. I'm not gonna be switching over anytime soon, but if I was.....the Galaxy S4 wouldn't even cross my mind with the One being available.
Question for you.......just curious how much longer do you think you're gonna keep rocking the iPad 2?? Mine definitely gets less use since I picked up the Mini, but starting to get the itch for a nice big Retina screen. Gonna wait to see what Apple has up its sleeve before I decide if I go with the newest one or pick up the Retina iPad (4).
The whole notion of brand loyalty is pathetic. I bought Nokias because they were good phones, not because I was loyal to Nokia, the second that changed I was gone. Now I buy Apple because it has the best ecosystem, not because I'm loyal to Apple. Loyalty to companies often works against us and our pockets.
I dunno, I think familiarity breeds a comfort which can very easily lead to purchasing decisions. Everybody comes to the table with some kind of history - how can you expect it to not factor into their decisions?
"familiarity" and "comfort" are not the same as "loyal." The word "loyalty" implies an ability or intent to stick with someone, or something, even in the face of discomfort and unfamiliarity.
In the context of competing technologies, the term "loyalty" is a very odd choice. It's both divisive and disconcerting to imagine anyone having that much of a connection to one particular brand of electronic device -- and to know that said connection exists regardless of its shortcomings or potentially superior competing products.
Fanbois breeding fanbois. Yuck.
Yes, this. Agree 100%
dude apple has the worst ecosystem, it only works with apple product. thus binding you forever to apple. conclusion anything that puts a rope around your neck is never a good thing.
just coming to iOS I'm not cemented in and with a big webOS announcement coming this weekend best case LG changes its mind and decides to make an open webOS device if not I will stick with the iPhone
so far I love the hardware but lack of true multitasking will sling me back coupled with good hardware
I moved from the Pre 2 to the GS3. Was a much better move than attempting to move to an iPhone. That being said, the next time I decide to upgrade I will assess what's there and choose what fits best. Maybe there will be a webOS phone by then. But given how much closer Android has come to webOS compared to where iOS is sitting, I can't see the iPhone being in the running unless Apple does a HUGE overhaul of iOS.
I however went from the Pre to the iPhone, because, even though I loved WebOS doctoring, iOS has a polish, finish and design that I also liked on WebOS. I too would keep my eye open for a new WebOS phone, but until think iOS is a much better fit for me that Android, especially something that runs touchWiz. I also went a bought a Mac because I needed a mainstream computer OS as Linux wasn´t working for me in what I do. Love the OS, and well I am now falling in the ecosystem quite nicely.
I left iOS for Android with the Nexus One because I needed an unlocked GSM phone and neither ATT nor Apple in the US would allow the purchase of an unlocked phone. Now it would be tough to go back after making the investment in apps and learning the platform. Sometimes it isn't the hardware or OS that matters, but the marketing decisions of the manufacturer and the carriers.
I am going to switch. I paid for USD 1000 for my iP5 but have not been offered Siri in my native language or Passbook support for my region. Moreover, iP5 supports only one local 4G band giving me poor covergae on a dual-band 4G network (competing products support all European 4G bands.)
What is more, Apple post-sale service is horrible: Should my phone need servicing under the warranty (like the fidgety power-button I have), I would have to send it away for 2 to 3 weeks (!!) (not going to do that, I just put up with the poor build quality); plus the warranty is only 1 year, the shortest in the industry and the minimum required by the law -- despite the phone's being the most expensive on the market.
Apple is a US-only-orineted business, has always been, will always be. Since they treat me as a second-grade customer for my not being a Yankee -- as someone who subsidizes they low US prices by paying 50% to 100% more -- I am definitely not going to purchase an iPhone again. It seems that many European are starting to feel the same way, given the growing criticism in local media towards Apple and the diminishing iPhone market share. People are starting to find out that Apple is seriously screwing them up -- as customers of a premium-priced product. That just won't do.
Hmm. Something tells me you're not an iOS product user at all. I've lived in several countries and purchased iOS devices in all of them while living there and not once did I have an "issue" with service when related to hardware problems. I'm extremely picky to the point of returning a "well used" iPhone still under warranty for a single dead pixel. It was swapped IMMEDIATELY for a new phone. Same goes for other devices. Either you're just a typical uninformed sour individual with a nonsensical gripe against apple, or where you live sucks and you should probably move to somewhere that doesn't. Like really.
I moved over to a iPhone coming from a DINC2 and the whole android ecosytem, I have to admit, Apple is just more easy and fluid when it comes to phones and apps. It just works, and easy too.
I have a Android tablet I play with on the side, but i'm far more attached to my iPhone.
Viva apple! :p
My issue is that with my next phone upgrade, I need to bridget the gap between a tablet and phone for work and not carry both. So if Apple just incrementally upgrades the iPhone 5 and the screen doesn't at least approach 5", I'm looking at a Note 3 possibly, because I need the bigger screen and the S-Pen is sweet. For me, it's not about loyalty to any company. It's about the technology that works for me. The iPhone 4S has been good for almost two years but I absolutely must have a screen bigger than 4".
i have been using iphone since the 4s, but i have used other devices before android, windows, etc., but i find apple works the best for myself as well! so i am neck deep in the apple ecosystem with having an iPhone 5, 2 of them one work one personal, apple tv , ipad mini, and a macbook pro 13inch! it all works fantastic for me and it looks like i will never be leaving them in the near future either! LONG LIVE APPLE!
I'm in it for the long haul with Apple! I started with the iPhone 3GS and since then I've had the 4, and now I have the 5, and I have an iPad 2. I'm picking up the mini 2 this fall! I'm so comfortable with the platform and I'm considered the Apple "Genius" bc I know everything. I've had an android before (HTC Aria), but the iPhone and apple products suits my needs better
I would have to agree. I love my iPhone still.
Add me to the list of Android defectors. After years and years of touting the benefits of Google's phone OS, (I still write for an Android website) I switched to an iPhone 5 because my Galaxy S 3 wasn't holding a good LTE signal at home, and the hotspot function suffered as a result. My 5 works awesome no matter where I am, I just wish the battery was stronger.
I also got used to the smaller screen quickly and like that I can use the phone one handed.
The ecosystem is why I will stick with Apple. How can you beat the ease of playing music from your iPhone to speakers connected to an Airport Express? Since they've introduced syncing through Wi-Fi, there is no need to connect the phone to a computer anymore either.
Then there's screen mirroring from iPad Mini to Apple TV, (not perfect since the iPad is 4:3, and TV is 16:9, but the letter-boxing is tolerable). Sadly, I can't mirror my 2008 aluminum MacBook or 2009 Mac Mini to the Apple TV, so my next purchase will probably be a MacBook Air, (but my current machines still work great, so there really is no need).
Kinda envious of those people just entering the Apple ecosystem now, because Apple introduced so much convenience in their devices with regards to wireless syncing, mirroring to Apple TV, Siri and voice dictation. I definitely won't go back to Windows. I wouldn't know how to duplicate the ease of doing the things I can do now.
My bias towards Apple isn't unfounded either. I also have a Samsung Galaxy S3, (found it by a sidewalk, only thing wrong was a majorly cracked screen; microSIM was missing, so obviously an abandoned phone). The big screen is quite enviable, but the ergonomics are dreadful. I don't know how people can actually enjoy using it. Clicking the home button is awkward, (am I suppose to use my thumb? Cause it doesn't contort that way when I'm holding the phone with the same hand, and actually pressing the button puts the device off-balance).
Split screen is nice, but honestly, I was never a fan of multitasking. What's wrong with doing one thing at a time? (And even then, I can't see the message I'm replying to when typing a response, how stupid is that? On my small 3.5" iPhone screen in landscape, I can see the message thread, the response I'm typing, and the keyboard, but I can't on the larger S3 screen.)
Overall, I have a more pleasant time with my iPhone 4 than the S3. Even though the iPhone 4 is older, the screen is more responsive and smoother, and I don't get hand cramps.


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