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Lets assume he is responsible for 3 million plus new jobs since he took office (even though 4 million plus were lost). Do the math Jose... how much did he spend? Let's see...divide $3 million into $5 trillion of new Obama debt. That's something along the order of $1.6 million of new debt per job!!!!!! Great job Mr. President! Especially since a lot of those jobs likely pay less than $50K a year. But even if they all paid far more than that .... $5 trillion dollars in new debt in three and a half years!!! Holy cow!!! Great job!
Boy, it sure must be hard to manage things Mr. President when all you have to do is print and borrow and not have to worry about living within your means. That sure is a smart way Mr. President to reverse the damage caused by the Pelosi/Reid Congress that took over in 2006. You know ... the same Congress that you were a part of....the same Congress that did everything it could to prevent Fannie's and Freddie's loose lending practices from being reined in. And you can even do that Mr. President while you are jetting around on your 16 vacations to the playgrounds of the rich and famous.
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That easy credit fueled a housing bubble that, like all bubbles, finally burst in 2008. The damage caused by the burst of that bubble was increased by the fact that so many were packaged into securities. It was just a matter of time before that happened and that bubble started in the mid-90's under President Clinton. Obama was quite fortunate politically it happened in the year he was running for the presidency.
I point this out because I do not want to be blindly partisan like Jose. There is blame that belongs to all sides with regard to the 2008 financial crisis. Anyone who tries to place it on only one side is a lying partisan.
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Lets forget about 2008 for a second, I still do not understand how 9/11 caused the equivalent of the housing bubble end of times (HBEOT).
Hell not even Katrina was the equivalent of the HBEOT, and a whole city was wiped out.
At some point people need to stop making excuses for Bush, just like Obama has to stop blaming Bush*
* they were pushing this talking point in rightwing blogs before his inauguration, for the record. The right is pretty dirty but this was just a preemptive move.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/2...se-5-trillion/ See also:
That bubble started bursting in early 2000 so it actually started under Clinton. The effects of 9/11 just amplified the effects of the burst of that bubble.
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The dot com bubble burst in early 2000 and Tax revenue dropped around ~50 billion, 9/11 happened in late 2001 and it was a drop of ~150 billion. In both years there was GDP growth.
It was cutting taxes, no other way to look at it, the laffer curve is NOT a law as interpreted by conservatives, you cut taxes and you risk a collapse in tax revenues, the idea that GDP growth will continue to grow income is but a fantasy based on previously non controlled observations.
You will see linux that we were half way down the slide in unemployment when the first round of tax cuts were enacted in the spring of 2001. Do you see what happened next according to the graph? Almost immediately after that round of cuts employment spiked upward from a few months. Then right at 9/11 unemployment began its deep decent towards the trough in Sept 2003. But look what happened in 2003. The second round of tax cuts happened around May of 2003. After that, again of few more months of further decent in unemployment and then poof, employment on the upswing again until the beginnings of the burst of the housing bubble in very early 2007.
You can see from the chart employment was very much impacted favorably by the Bush tax cuts. With more employment there is an increase in government revenues per the chart I posted earlier in this thread. These are directly related, of course ... with more employment more people are paying taxes and are making more so they are also paying more taxes. Note as well the decline in employment was fairly dramatic from March 2000 until the first round of tax cuts in April 2001 --- 13 months later. During most of that time, Clinton was the president. So clearly, the tax cuts did not cause this dramatic decline in employment. All economists agree the employment rate plays a key role in tax revenues ... thus, historically speaking, the decline in revenues was all related to the decline in employment due to the dot.com bubble burst and trauma 9/11 brought to the economy. This is clearly supported by the above chart.
One of the things that would have been interesting to see would be how much further that increase in the employment rate would risen...you know, the one the chart shows lasted from May 2011 to mid Sept. 2001. Alas, there were those tragic events in New York, at the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania hay field that sent the economy reeling for an additional two years. No doubt that was in part cause by the hits the stock markets took following the attacks.
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A key question posed by the above chart linux ... to what do you account the loss of 1 million jobs from March 2000 to April 2001 when the tax cuts went into effect? Please note that almost all of those 1 million jobs that were lost following March 2000 until April 2001 was under President Clinton. Also, are you saying that the loss of those near 1 million jobs during the last year of Clinton's term did not have a significant negative impact upon the federal government's revenues?
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The Republicans have a problem: Their budget promises don't add up. They've committed to new tax cuts. They've proposed spending more on defense. They've promised they won't change retirement programs for the current generation of seniors. But they've also promised to cut the deficit, and fast.
That's left them with one option: deep cuts to programs for the poor. That's what you see in House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's budget. It's the basis for the Romney budget. It's what Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum have proposed. But there's a problem with that, too. Cutting programs for the poor isn't popular. So Republicans have come up with a solution: Don't call them "cuts." Sell them as "reforms," "repairs," or "fixes."
I look at it this way: other than giving people two or three years after they get out of school so that they have the chance to get started in life or after they get over an illness or after they lose a job (so they can hit the reset button), adults welfare programs should be ended. Why? Because its not my job to give money to people who can work but won't because they are either lazy or have some other lame excuse. In fact, giving welfare money to abled bodied people just enables them so that they can continue living nonproductive lives.
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Can you all teach me a little about the Ryan Plan with regard to cuts for the poor? What were the budgets for entitlements for the poor in 2005-2012? What will be the budgets for these programs if the Ryan Plan is enacted?
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To whoever called me a liar, I just looked up my post that I started in archives from Hornfans- stating- I'm going to give this Obama guy a chance, that said exactly what I said in this thread my hope for him was. Transition past baby boomers, civility, adulthood etc. $#@! you for calling me a liar, you chicken$#@! $#@!stain.
MY post from then (so yall don't have to go through those archives:
There's a lot of things I like about a potential Obama presidency.
1) Hopefully it will bring some sort of closure to the race dialogue (or at least advance it) in this country. A 1/2 black, 1/2 white man that's a son of immigrants now sits in the whitehouse. I don't want to hear any more about how it's impossible for a black man to get ahead. This should put the lie to that and hopefully inspire millions to seek the fullness of their potential. You don't have to limit yourself to basketball player, rapper or gang banger to get ahead and this should put that strongly into focus.
2) An easing of tensions in the pres. With a Dem in charge I fully expect to hear way less [censored] about red states and blue states. I was getting sick of those stories. Also, hopefully I'll get a break from all the negative economic news and it'll be ok to root for america to do well worldwide in the future.
3) An end to all those trash anti bush books that clutter up the tables at my local barnes and noble.
4) Ding dong, the Clinton's are dead. I am so happy if a Dem was going to win it was BHO and not HRC. I like seeing Bill beat down and marginalized
5) Hopefully an end to the [censored] nonsense politics my parents generation has been fighting over since they were beatnick hippy protesters in the 60's. I'm really ready to move beyond free love, dope and veitnam in the political conciousness. As BHO was hardly alive then I doubt this continues to fester in the body politic.
6) A president that can make a speech. BHO ain't great on his feet but he is a hell of a speech making guy, something the current president rarely was (I think b/c he didn't give a crap personally- he was ok when talking about national defense, war on terror, global affairs and I think that's b/c his heart was in it) Not so much anything else.
7) Rise of the Republican Party. We've gotten the best of conservatives and ideas when we've wondered in the wilderness (my lifetime). From Reagan to Gingrich it looks like being out of power sharpens our ideas and leads to some new blood. The bench looks pretty thin but who knows what happens there.
8) End to the political posts that read like rival football teams on hornfans and hopefully an end to bush derangement syndrome. I hope this board can go back to being something better than it was in the ceaspool it was from about March on. Maybe BC will even come back.
That's pretty much it as to what I'm looking forward to. Some of it serious, some of it tongue in cheek. But you won't hear me saying Obama isn't my president the way the kook left did with Bush and I'm certainly willing to give him a chance, keep an open mind, and hope he makes me proud as an American.
Of course, now that I'm no longer a member of the evil rich and hope to be middle class when I finally get my teaching cert I'm hoping he re-distributes some of the wealth from my former 02-08 self to my future, school teaching self.
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I'm feeling a bit down after Hannah's developmental evaluation. We took her back to the hospital where she was born for her "Graduation" from the early intervention program. She will be three in August and will now be in the hands of the school system as far as developmental concerns. She will be tested to see if she qualifies for the ESE pre-k program in the Fall. Anyway, the pychologist said she is lagging in her motor skills and sent the PT in to talk to us. She has never lacked motor skills and all of her other check-ups she's been fine with motor skills. She has been in ST for almost a year and her speech is now great. But the real thing that made me sad is the pediatrician said he is almost certain Hannah will be diagnosed with ADHD down the road. She has all of the signs. He recommended a book...123 Parenting. Has anyone else read it? I knew she had big problems with attention and her behavior, and now the doctor sees the problems too. Anyone else out there with an ADHD kid? I feel kind of relieved, though. Everyone tells me she is just spoiled and bad, and now we know the real reason, especially for those horrible tantrums. But the pediatrician ended our appointment on a high note. He said that the fact that we were discussing ADHD at this appointment was a miracle...since a lot of other 26 weekers at this age have more problems to deal with. The fact that she is advanced as she is, and that she only has very minor problems. So...if ADHD is the only problem she has...then I'm pretty darn lucky. Thanks for letting me get this out.
Mommy to Miss Hannah Rose
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For many years Pete Caraway has played guitar and written songs. The native of Rawl, W.Va., Caraway has turned his interest toward gospel music the last few years.
He recently recorded an original gospel album (CD) at Harvest Studios in Huntington, W.Va., with his sister Geri Roberts. It was produced by John D. Rowsey, who has won a Dove Award in the past for his work in gospel music.
Caraway, who frequently sings solo at local churches in the Tug Valley, with the exception of two songs, wrote seven of the songs recorded by him and his sister on the CD. The other two songs were written by Rev. Earl White and by Albert Brumley.
The former marine has been playing and singing for many years. In the past he dabbled into country music, but he has turned his attention to religious music.
The Caraway's frequently sing at church gatherings in the Ashland, Ky. and in the Ironton, Ohio area, where Geri lives.
The songs have a personal ring and the lyrics are heartfelt. Caraway touches the soul with songs such as "My Heart is Set on Gloryland, If I Could Tell how I Felt About Jesus, Life Got in My Way" and others.
Caraway is proud of the new CD and hopes that it will reach out to those who listen to it.
"I hope they find the message in the songs and it will change a life," he said.
The CDs can be purchased from Caraway or when he sings at church events around the area.
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The Phillies have fired manager Charlie Manuel.
Ben Zobrist clubbed a pair of solo home runs on Saturday, leading the Royals to a 7-6 victory over the Blue Jays in Toronto.
C.J. Wilson will undergo surgery to repair a left elbow impingement and is expected to miss the remainder of the 2015 season.
Rockies placed OF Corey Dickerson on the 15-day disabled list with non-displaced fractures of two ribs.
Blue Jays designated INF/OF Danny Valencia for assignment.
Taijuan Walker pitched a one-hitter and struck out 11 as the Mariners beat the Twins 6-1 on Friday.
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ROSEMONT, Ill.---The Chicago Wolves erased a 1-0 deficit with three unanswered markers to drop their Illinois Lottery Cup rival Peoria Rivermen 3-1 Saturday night at the Allstate Arena.
Forwards Tim Miller, Michael Davies, and Darren Archibald provided the goals for Chicago, which snapped a four-game losing streak and earned the victory for just the second time in its last nine tilts.
"I think the whole team did a great job of sacrificing and committing to the win late in the game," said Wolves head coach Scott Arniel. "It was real nice to erase some struggles in the third by turning a one-goal lead into two late in the game."
After surrendering the first goal of the game early in the second period, Chicago (9-8-2-1) rattled off the game's final three tallies.
The Wolves tied the score and grabbed the lead in a 2:27 span during the middle frame. Miller knotted the score when he kicked the puck from his skate to his stick and hammered a shot from the slot past Rivermen netminder Jake Allen.
Davies' marker at 12:53 gave the Wolves the lead. After a scramble in front of the net, center Andrew Ebbett collected the puck, wrapped around the net and found Davies in the near circle for a wrister past Allen.
Archibald closed out scoring when he skated into the Rivermen zone and fired a shot from the top of the near circle that got past Allen at 16:32 of the third period.
Peoria (6-10-2-1) posted its lone tally 3:15 into the second period when right wing Anthony Peluso found forward Derek Nesbitt in the high slot and his one-timer beat Wolves goaltender Matt Climie glove-side.
Climie (2-6-0) posted 24 saves in the win, while Allen (5-9-1) stopped 29 shots in the loss.
The Wolves return to the ice at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Dec. 7, when they host the Midwest Division-leading Grand Rapids Griffins at the Allstate Arena.
Peoria 0 1 0 -- 1
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First Period---None. Penalties---Sterling, Chicago (tripping), 1:34; Bench, Peoria (too many men), 9:37; Cracknell, Peoria (holding), 18:12.
Second Period---1, Peoria, Nesbitt 6 (Peluso, Hensick), 3:15; 2, Chicago, Miller 2 (Desbiens, Hunt), 10:26; 3, Chicago, Davies (Ebbett, Blain), 12:53. Penalties---None.
Third Period---4, Chicago, Archibald 2 (Longpre), 16:32. Penalties---Peluso, Chicago (interfernce), 13:16.
Shots on goal---Peoria: 10-8-7--25. Chicago: 13-14-5--32. Power plays---Peoria: 0-1. Chicago: 0-3. Goalies---Peoria, Allen (29-32). Chicago, Climie (24-25). A---7,477. Referees---Trevor Hanson and Jeff Smith. Linesmen---Kiel Murchison and Alex Stagnone.
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Roughly 10 months ago, Guy English likely ingested far too much Melange and presciently wrote a piece on the problems he saw facing Apple as they scaled through the post-iPhone era. Third among them, From Kicking Bear:
It's been maybe three years since the team that has defined what we now know as iOS were granted options. Look at the share price then and look at the share price now.
Ultimately, the retention of talent will be Apple's Achilles' heel.
John Gruber of Daring Fireball argues that English should have made that his first point. Gruber's comment was sparked by this tweet by Dan Frommer:
This is not at all a scientific study, but most of the Apple employees I follow on Twitter have quit within the last ~9 months. Huh.
Gruber added that it wasn't an exodus, and it's not. Former Apple employee Justin Reid explained it this way:
It was a village and became a city overnight. Village folk don't necessarily like living in cities.
When you've made the current big thing, when you've made the money that comes with being in at the beginning, and when the world around you has grown from something secret and small to something universe-dentingly famous, you might just find decide you pick up your bags and your fortunes and go off in search of the next adventure.
Likewise, Apple is hiring as well, and hiring some phenomenally talented people. They're also promoting and consolidating from within. More than an exodus, it represents a changing of the guard, and the influx of fresh talent and ideas, could also help Apple in their own search for what's next.
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If this was any company but Apple, nobody would care enough to speculate on blogs about the company's retention situation nor comment on said speculation with defensive counter-speculation (nor counter-defensive counter-speculation....oops! sorry, ah, well....pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!).
That is all, carry on...
They talk about it all the time. They just don't have a bunch of blogs to spin and re-spin everything that happens to make things like the exodus of amazingly talented employees to be a good thing.
Whether its because village folk dont like living in the city, or because they got tired of creating thinner rectangles, it doesn't matter. They left, that's it.
"We are not now that strength which in old days Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."
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Finding and keeping top talent has always been a problem for any company, which is why Apple, Google and others got in legal hot water for illegal anti-poaching agreements.


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The New Mexico State men's basketball team has a pair of home games with Idaho, Thursday, Feb. 7 at 7 p.m., and Seattle, Saturday, Feb. 9 at 7 p.m. in the Lou Henson Classic in Las Cruces. Both games are AggieVision productions with Jeff Matthews and Glen Cerny. The games can be heard on the Aggie Sports Network and KGRT 104 FM in Las Cruces with the 'Voice of the Aggies' Jack Nixon, and the pregame show starts 30 minutes prior to tip. The games are also available in Spanish with Edgar Gardell on Vista 98.7 FM.
Thursday's game is shown live in Las Cruces, on Comcast across New Mexico, Altitude, Fox Sports-Arizona and ESPN3. Saturday's game is shown live on Comcast across New Mexico and ESPN3 and tape delayed in Las Cruces until 10 p.m. and on Fox Sports-Arizona until 1 a.m.
New Mexico State Aggies
The Aggies have won nine straight games and have a 15-8 overall record and 9-2 WAC record after a 75-62 win at UTSA, Feb. 2. Sophomore guard Daniel Mullings is leading the team with 14.5 points per game, and senior forwards Bandja Sy is also in double figures 11.4 points and 7.3 rebounds per game.
Scouting Idaho
The Vandals have a 9-12 overall record and 5-6 conference record following a weekend split with a win over San Jose State, 66-63, Feb. 2, and loss to Utah State, 77-67, Jan. 31. Senior center Kyle Barone leads Idaho with 16.3 points and 9.7 rebounds per game. Junior forward Stephen Madison and sophomore guard Connor Hill are also helping the offense with 14.8 and 11.7 points per game, respectively.
Series Notes
The Aggies have a 21-4 all-time lead in the series with Idaho after winning the first game of the year, 71-70, Jan. 12 in Moscow, Idaho.
Previous Game
NM State escaped Idaho with a 71-70 win, Jan. 12, after sophomore guard Daniel Mullings hit a free throw with 3.5 seconds remaining in regulation. With the game tied, 70-70, with 3.5 seconds left, Mullings was fouled while trying to inbound the ball. He sank the second of two free throws to give the Aggies the lead. Mullings was 3-of-4 at the line and ended with night with eight points and three steals. Sophomore guard K.C. Ross-Miller had a career-high 16 points, and freshman center Sim Bhullar also had 16 points. Senior forward Bandja Sy added 14 points including a late basket in the final 10 seconds. The Aggies recorded a season-low four turnovers.
Scouting Seattle
The Redhawks are 7-14 overall and 2-9 after defeating San Jose State, 56-48, Jan. 31, and falling to Utah State, 68-46, Feb. 2. Seattle travels to Denver, Feb. 7, before meeting the Aggies. Seattle has two players in double figures with redshirt junior forward Clarence Trent supplying 11.1 points per game. Redshirt freshman forward Deshaun Sundershaus adds 10.1 points per game.
Series Notes
The Aggies have a 2-1 lead in the all-time series following an 83-82 win in double overtime in Seattle, Jan. 10.
Previous Game
NM State recorded its first WAC road win of the year with an 83-82 victory in double overtime at Seattle, Jan. 10. Senior forward Tyrone Watson scored a career-high 26 points. This was the first multiple overtime game for the Aggies since the triple overtime thriller against Boise State in the 2008 WAC Championship game. Senior forward Bandja Sy contributed 23 points including a 3-pointer at the end of regulation to force the first overtime. En route to his career-high performance, Watson scored 14 points in the second half. He added five assists and seven steals, which helped the Aggies to a season-high 15 steals. Sophomore guard Daniel Mullings also helped defensively with seven steals along with 19 points and seven rebounds.
Lou Henson Classic
Since the inception of the Lou Henson Classic in the 2006-07 season, the Aggies are 7-1 in the classic. NM State has won the last five games with wins over Fresno State, 60-56, Jan, 28, 2012, Pacific, 69-64, Dec. 18, 2010, Texas Southern, 79-75, Dec. 23, 2009, Sacramento State, 76-65, Dec. 11, 2008 and Chicago State, 94-61, Nov. 30, 2007. The only loss in the classic was to North Texas, 75-72, Dec. 1, 2007. The Aggies defeated Chicago State, 80-74, Dec. 1, 2006, and San Francisco, 89-78, Dec. 2, 2006.
Sy Earns WAC Player of the Week Honors
Senior forward Bandja Sy has been named the WAC Player of the Week for the week of Jan. 28-Feb. 3. This is his first career honor and the first of the season for the Aggies. Sy led NM State to a pair of road wins at Texas State and UTSA. In the 86-72 win over Texas State, Sy posted his third double-double of the season and the fourth of his career with 24 points and 13 rebounds. In the 75-62 win at UTSA, Sy scored 17 points and pulled down seven rebounds.
Block Party
The Aggies tied the school record for blocked shots in a game with 12 at UTSA, Feb. 2. NM State tied the mark that was set Jan. 12, 1978 against Creighton. This season the Aggies have 119 blocks and are only 22 shy of tying the program record for a season (141). The Aggies rank 26th in the NCAA in blocks with 5.2 per game. Freshman center Sim Bhullar leads the team with 46 blocks, which is tied for eighth on the school's single-season list. Junior forward Renaldo Dixon is also helping the defensive effort with 26 blocked shots.
Aggies Notch Double-Doubles
NM State has recorded seven double-doubles in 2012-13 with senior forward Bandja Sy leading the way with three double-doubles. Junior center Tshilidzi Nephawe has two this season at Niagara, Nov. 18, with 14 points and 10 rebounds and against Louisiana, Nov. 23, with 10 points and a career-high 11 rebounds. Sophomore guard Daniel Mulling had his first double-double of the season with 21 points and 11 rebounds against Southern Miss, Dec. 1. Senior forward Bandja Sy posted a double-double with 11 points and a career-high 14 rebounds at South Alabama, Dec. 4, 16 points and 10 rebounds against Texas State, Jan. 5, and 24 points and 13 rebounds at Texas State, Jan. 31. Freshman center Sim Bhullar recorded his first career double-double at UTSA, Feb. 2, with 17 points and 18 rebounds.
Aggies Down UTSA, Sweep Road Trip
The Aggies won their ninth consecutive game with a 75-62 victory at UTSA, Feb. 2 in San Antonio, Texas. The Aggies tied the school record for blocked shots with 12. Freshman center Sim Bhullar recorded his first career double-double with 17 points and a career-high 18 rebounds and five blocked shots. Senior forward Bandja Sy also scored 17 points on 8-of-12 shooting. Junior forward Renaldo Dixon was in double figures with 12 points, which ties a season-high mark, and he had career-high five blocked shots.
Aggies Beat Texas State 86-72
NM State opened its WAC road trip to the Lone Star State with an 86-72 win at Texas State. The victory is the Aggies' eighth straight. Senior forward Bandja Sy posted his third double-double of the season with 24 points and 13 rebounds. Sophomore guard Daniel Mullings provided 22 points, and freshman center Sim Bhullar added 10 points. Sophomore forward Remi Barry also scored 10 points, which is a career-high mark.
Aggies on a Roll
After a tough start to the 2012-13 WAC slate, the Aggies have bounced back and won the last nine straight games. The win streak is the longest under head coach Marvin Menzies and longest since the 2006-07 season, when the Aggies won 13 consecutive games.
Sy Has the Aggies Streaking
In the Aggies' nine-game win streak, senior forward Bandja Sy has increased his contributions significantly. He is averaging 17.9 points and 8.6 rebounds per game. Sy is shooting 60 percent from the field (63-of-105) and 42.9 percent from the 3-point line (6-of-14) in the last nine games. Sy is tied for the team-best 15.5 points per game in WAC games.
Bhullar Filling the Gap in the Paint
Since entering the starting lineup, Dec. 15, freshman center Sim Bhullar is averaging 11.5 points per game. He recorded his first career double-double with 17 points and 18 rebounds, a career-high mark, at UTSA, Feb. 2. He has 10 double-digit games this season and has two 20-point games. He scored a career-high 25 points against Missouri State, Dec. 22, and 20 versus Texas State, Jan. 5. Bhullar leads the Aggies in blocked shots with 46.
National Rankings for the Aggies
The Aggies are currently 19th in the NCAA in rebounding margin (+7.2). NM State has out-rebounded opponents in 16 games. The Aggies are 26th in blocked shots per game (5.2), 44th in field goal percentage defense (39.5) and 51st in field goal percentage (46.1). Individually, sophomore guard Daniel Mullings is ranked 36th in steals per game (2.17) and 71st in field goal percentage (50.9). Freshman center Sim Bhullar is 56th in blocked shots per game (2.0) as of Feb. 3.
Against the WAC Competition
Currently, the Aggies rank second in the conference in blocked shots (5.14 per game), field goal percent defense (39.5) and rebounding margin (+7.2) and third in scoring defense (62.5), rebounding offense (38.5) and defensive rebounds (26.04).
Individually, sophomore guard Daniel Mullings ranks first in steals (2.17), fifth in field goal percentage (50.9), sixth in free throw percentage (77.6) and seventh in scoring (14.5). Freshman center Sim Bhullar ranks first in field goal percentage (59.9) and fifth in blocked shots (2.0 per game). Senior forward Bandja Sy is sixth in rebounding (7.3). Senior forward Tyrone Watson is ninth in field goal percentage (47.8), and junior forward Renaldo Dixon is ninth in blocked shots (1.18).
In WAC games only, the Aggies lead the conference in scoring offense (71.0), blocked shots (6.36) and rebounding margin (+6.6). NM State ranks second in rebounding offense (38.5) and defensive rebounds (25.64). The Aggies are third in scoring margin (+6.5) and field goal percentage (47.8).
Individually, sophomore guard Daniel Mullings ranks first in steals (2.82), fifth in scoring (15.5) and tied for eighth in free throw percentage (77.8). Freshman center Sim Bhullar is second in blocked shots (2.73), third in field goal percentage (57.1), and sixth in rebounding (7.8). Senior forward Bandja Sy ranks tied for third in rebounding (8.0), sixth in scoring (15.5) and fourth in field goal percentage (56.8). Junior forward Renaldo Dixon is fifth in blocks (1.82), and senior forward Tyrone Watson is ninth in assists (3.11) as of Feb. 2.
Aggies Control the Glass
NM State has consistently out-rebounded opponents this season. NM State is averaging 38.5 boards per game with a +7.2 rebounding margin. The Aggies have out-rebounded teams in 16 games.
Overtime Games
The double overtime game at Seattle, Jan. 10, was NM State's first overtime game of the season. It was also the first multiple overtime game since the 2007-08 season. This was the first multiple overtime win for the Aggies since the 1997-98 season, when NM State defeated Cal State Fullerton, 89-87, Jan. 8, 1998 in double overtime. The Aggies are 4-5 in overtime games under head coach Marvin Menzies.
Ready, Aim, Fire
The Aggie offense is strong with a team field goal percentage of 46.1 percent. NM State has four players shooting over 50 percent this season including freshman center Sim Bhullar (59.9), sophomore guard Daniel Mullings (50.9), junior forward Renaldo Dixon (50.6) and junior center Tshilidzi Nephawe (51.1). The Aggies have a better shooting percentage than their opponents in 14 games.
Aggie Aggressiveness Leads to the Line
The Crimson and White are continuing the trend of getting to the free-throw line in 2012-13. In 23 games, the Aggies are averaging 24 attempts per game, 7.1 more attempts than their opponents.
Defense in the Menzies Era
In head coach Marvin Menzies' six seasons, the Aggie defense has continued to improve during his tenure. This year NM State has already held opponents to 60 or fewer points 10 times. Here's a look at how this year's team compares to previous squads.
Allowing 60 points or less
2012-13 10 games
2011-12 9 games
2010-11 8 games
2009-10 2 games
2008-09 3 games
2007-08 6 games
Mullings Fuels the Offense
In his second season, sophomore guard Daniel Mullings has scored in double-figures 17 times. He recorded his first double-double of the season with 21 points and 11 rebounds versus Southern Miss, Dec. 1. Mullings has had seven 20-point games this season and ninth in his career. His shooting has improved from a season ago with 40 percent or better in 19 games. Mullings is shooting 41.7 percent from the 3-point line. He also has three or more assists in 11 games.
Watson's Senior Campaign Going Strong
In his final season in the Crimson and White, senior forward Tyrone Watson is taking over a leadership role for the Aggies. He scored 24 points in the home opening win over Southeastern Louisiana, Nov. 15. He made two 3-pointers in back-to-back games for the first time in his career against Bucknell and Niagara. Watson has scored in double-figures in 11 of the Aggies' games and has shot 44.4 percent or better in 15 contests. The senior is second on the team in assists with 60 including three five-assist and one six-assist games.
Sy Shoots and Scores
Senior forward Bandja Sy has been in double-digits in scoring for the Aggies in 14 games and in double-figures in rebounding in five games. In the win at South Alabama, Dec. 4, he posted his second career double-double with 11 points and a career-high 14 rebounds. Sy recorded his third career double-double with 16 points and 10 rebounds versus Texas State, Jan. 5. That performance followed a career-high 25 points against UTSA, Jan. 3. Sy had his third double-double of the season with 24 points and 13 rebounds at Texas State, Jan. 31.
Menzies is the Fifth Winningest Coach at NM State
Head coach Marvin Menzies has recorded 117 career wins at NM State. He ranks fifth in school history, and directed the Aggies to their third 20-win season in his tenure in 2011-12.
All-Time Winningest Coaches (by victories)
Lou Henson-289
Neil McCarthy-229
Jerry Hines-157
Presley Askew-135
Marvin Menzies-117
Looking Ahead
The Aggies return to the road for two away games at San Jose State, Feb. 14, and Utah State, Feb. 16 on ESPNU.


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Originally posted by slicknslim88
First off the bat, i didn't bring up GW2, the post you have pulled was in response to someone else bringing up GW2.
Secondly, never bought anything from the cash shop as those prticular items have never interested me, especially when i can get much more in the game itself. As for the customer service, you write that off if you like but i have had a couple instances when my guild mates accounts have been compromised for example where the swift action of the in game GM's (within an hour) have saved me and my friends a lot of hassle, so i do value that service.
Thirdly, i need a lot of bag space and bank space as i craft a lot and auction a lot, let alone keep a lot of seasonal stuff year on year so i can easily burn through 100 bag slots on a farming run or fill 165 bank slots. I enjoy my pets (will be approx 300 in MoP) and my mounts (well over 100 so far), i use a lot of character slots (over 40 on one account) because my boys play the game too.
BUT.....and this is the kicker, I....that is ME! I believe that i get value for my subscription, i don't care what 'you will give me' or whetherr you feel you get better value for not paying a sub, I feel that i get value for money for ME, not you, not anyone else, ME. How hard is this to understand? I pay my sub, i play the game my way and I feel i get value for money. I really don't understand why people have to try so hard to prove that the sub model is some sort of evil thorn in the side of the MMO industry and i don't understand the whole "wow you have spent xxx amount over the years, don't you feel conned" stuff either as i paid my money every month and enjoyed my entertainment in te same way that i don't look back at every £1 spent on cinema tickets or club entry fees or my cable TV subscription etc..
I don't knock the B2P model, i think that it widens the market in a good way for a lot of people, it just doesn't suit what i need from a game where currently the WoW sub model does and that is the magic of choice.
PS: You didn't answer my question. Where would GW2 or similar games be if everyone just purchased the boxes and never purchased anything from the cash shops as the guy in the video suggests is the way you could go?
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
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Originally posted by slicknslim88
Sorry that video has some major issues.
The author of the video has no idea what "Cost of Sale" or how its usually called "Cost of goods Sold"(COGS) is.
He didnt even bothered reading the same annual report he's quoting from(which was an old one), or just intentionally ingored it.
"Cost of sales includes manufacturing costs, software royalties and amortization, and intellectual property licenses."
It does not cover operation expenses, and buisness overhead such as rent, salleries, and other expenses.
He ignores the fact that Guild Wars is not a free to play game, any game with a cash shop is not free to play, if they will not make sufficient money from the cash shop they will either have to redsign the game to make it more "attractive" to players to buy items from the cash shop, or cut expenses.
Due to WoW and the expansion of the MMORPG market in the past decade the inital launch costs of any AAA MMO these days are huge.
WoW did not sell 2-3M copies in the first 1 or 2 months, Blizzard had never had to deal with the expenses which come from an immidate influx of players. You need a heck of a support staff, and an infrastructure capable of supporting 2-3 times the players you most likely have 3-6 months down the line.
If any thing cash shop MMO's especially ones with box costs milk money from players from day one and not a month(or in some cases more) down the line.
According to the 2011 annual report, the Cost of Sale for Blizzards Online subscripiton was 238M US.
This is only the cost of sale for the actual subscription, and does not include the cost of sale for the game it self, not for selling Cataclysm/Legacy Boxes, Digital Downloads of the Game, Support, R&D and other things.
MMO's take alot of money to develop, and even more money to support do they require a sub to be viable? no, but they do require a constant infulx of money from some where - cash shop, constant paid content updates, and other revenue streams.
There is a reason why when WoW launched they launched with very well arguable more content than EQ had at the time, heck more than any other MMO had at the time in terms of Zones(Amount and Size), Mobs, POI, Quests, and Instances.
GW2 has alot of content, and some of it is good, but even it doesnt even scartches what WoW launched with(and dont forget that during the first 3 months they've actually released a few lower level instances), and does not come any where near what it has now.
Sorry but 8 dungeons, with the first one being at freaking level 30, and the rest spaced very far apart is still one of my major issues with GW2.
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MoP should sell very well. I am, however, curious as to why Blizzard hasn't hyped the game up with a "X amount of preorders!" announcement. Or why they haven't paid this site to bump up the numbers in the "Most Popular Games" section.
Originally posted by slickbizzle
As far as i can remember they have never released any pre-order figures with any of the expansions, but the hype train is well and truely rolling. Adverts are running in prime time slots here in the UK and everyone that either plays the game or has played the game will have got an e-mail this week inviting them to come along to the midnight launch parties they have arranged including appearences from some of the devs to sign your collectors editions.
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In your house Eatin' your Cookies!
Originally posted by laserit
Me personally, I hate F2P games. Specially F2P games with an initial box fee. F2P brings in more money for a reason, its a greedy business model. I'm not a childso 15$ a month is no big deal, I'm not so cheap that I can't scrounge together 15$ to support a company that is upfront with there player base.
You know what the 15$ a month is going towards. Nobody is getting an advantage, everyone is on even playing fields. Servers are being maintained and content is coming in at a resonable pace.
If you can't afford 15$ a month, or care to support a game company for 15$ a month then you need to work your priorities out.
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Originally posted by Vunak23
To be fair, i don't think it has anything to do with priority or whether someone has the $15/month or not, it comes down to whether they see the value in spending that $15 or not and some do, some don't. What i do object to is someone spitting venom in my direction just because i do see a value to the money i spend and they don't as it isn't their money i am spending and i am not trying to convince them to see a value where they don't currently see it.
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Originally posted by Vunak23
Well, your priority is to pay 15 dollars a month for a game. Some people feel that 15 dollars can be spent better in other ways. it is just different ranking of priorities. You may not be a child but your attitude about not understanding that people may not want to spend 15 dollar a month sub IS CHILDISH.
None of the models can really be called a greedy model - if the company can survive. We have seen many a sub game go down while a B2P game, like GW1 survived.
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In your house Eatin' your Cookies!
Originally posted by botrytis
In a F2P game, someone is being greedy. The consumer or the company. Either the consumer isn't supporting the company by not buying anything, or the company is being greedy and the consumer is dumping loads on the cashop.
Your misinterpreting what I'm saying. Yes I could think of a million other things I would rather spend $15 dollars on, but I am more willing to spend $15 dollars on a sub fee to support a game (I know what I am getting with this) then I am going into a F2P/B2P game not knowing if the person next to me spent a $100 on the game to buy gems and then sell those gems to buy armor off the broker, putting him well ahead of me. That is the defintion of P2W.
Unless a Cashop is strictly Cosmetic, it will be P2W.
P2P is the least greedy business model around. Sure the people that can't afford 15$ a month are going to be pretty pissed they can't access the game, but like I said, if you can't come up with 15$ a month priorities need to be rearranged because your probably unemployed.
"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we've got another one that is actually going to be – so we're going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we're targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can't hold me to it. But what we're targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo
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My thoughts exactly! We should all be happy there's more than one good mmo to go to. I will support both guildwars2 and mop.
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People aren't abandoning WoW because of GW2, heck GW2 won't even keep casuals busy for more then 3-4months. If MoP doesn't sell as well it's because people don't want to play Kung Fu Panda ripoffs made for 5 year olds.
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Originally posted by JimmyYO
I'm obligated to inform you that Blizzard had Kung Fu Pandas before Kung Fu Pandas existed in cinema. They officially are not ripping off Pandaria from the Kung Fu Panda movies.
Originally posted by halflife25
Because GW2 developers have declared it to be a competition with statements like, and I'm paraphrasing, GW1 was number two to WoW so now they want to GW2 to beat WoW.
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Originally posted by Azrile
Blizzard is just better than Anet, they made a gimicky game that just gets boring. Annual sub that extends well past the release of MoP so I'm playing. Pre-orded the digital collectors and will continue to put money towards Blizzard games. I'll give it to Anet for bucking the normal system but I'm sorry they fell short on longevity. I can't motivate myself to play the game any more.
Originally posted by Vunak23
Wow, that is a hugely ignorant statement to make! I, and i would presume most other people (apart from you it would seem) will know someone who works damned hard in their life but still live on the bread line and in this day and age with the economy the way it is, it is through no fault of their own. Finding $15/month for a game would be the last thing on their minds, actually no, wouldn't even feature on a list of things to consider paying for when you are living hand to mouth and need to pay their rent/mortgage, gas, electric, water and local taxes before even considering how they will eat that month!
I really do hope that you never have to face that kind of hardship in your lifetime.
On topic, had my two copies as confirmed to be on their way to me, so here's looking forward to next week.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
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And Im obligated to inform you that was in Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne.
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Originally posted by Xiaoki
*shrug* They should be informed and corrected when they're making a false statement, whether through ignorance or intent.
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Originally posted by Xiaoki
What other people know or do not know, does not make you less wrong.
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Originally posted by Shadoed
What a crock. If someone has an internet connection and they're on hard times, they shouldn't be devoting time to videos games, they should be applying to jobs nonstop. And if you're on such hard times that you're wondering where food will come from, it's time to call the cable company and have them turn off your connection. That's money that could be feeding your or paying your basic necessities.
You're looking at an extremely niche group who has just enough money to pay for basic necessities, and their only remaining disposable income is for an internet connection. On top of that tiny group, these poor people you're talking about are also MMO gamers.
If you have enough money for entertainment purposes, you would be well served to pay $15 a month for a video game or netflix as that is about the cheapest entertainment you can buy. If you are in a desperate situation like the one you describe, then you need to turn off that internet and go to the public library and use it for free.
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sooo GW2 sold 2 million ok....now how much has WoW sold? this includes Vanilla, BC, Wrath and Cata....who wins now? If your going to compair GW2 to WoW in sales mind as well includ the entire WoW game not just ONE single expansion.....so what is that then 14million? 20million sold for WoW? Like to see GW2 beat that....thought thouse numbers are just outta my head....
here r some real numbers not shur how accurate but shows wow has sold over 33Million copies of WoW including expansions TOTAL, makes GW2's 2 million looks like a poor man pissing in the wind....
Originally posted by Scypheroth87
Gotta figure no one comes close to WoW http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32985/NCsofts_Annual_Revenues_Rise_While_Profits_Sink.php#.UFtMaFFuulA yeah... go blow your nose somewhere else junior before anyone whips out the Everquest stats, WoW is a shit clone of its predeceors while Guild Wars 2 is an iteration on the Lineage/Everquest model which improves it from every possible angle.
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Originally posted by Leethe
It's not difficult to understand.
ANET have already stated that they are aiming at simiar markets as WoW caters to. With the new expansion five days away, this will be the first time anyone who watches the market can see if GW2 has any affect on WoW's expansion numbers, or on the other hand GW2 suddenly takes a dip in active players, after release.
Of course it's highly unaccurate, we are all just theorizing. There are any numbers of other factors for retention or failing targets, which people could come up with.
As for the OP I'm doubtful it'll do as well as Cata did first 24 hours, which will make it difficult to gauge how many are sold, (publishers tend to not post numbers unless they've beaten previous records, so you may have to wait for the quarterly reports). However I would say MOP will outsell GW2 eventually as frankly there are more Blizzard fanbois then haters and plenty of them, while not as enthuastic as previous expansions, will buy this MOP anyway.
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An interesting study made news lately that found that persons of lower general intelligence and who had lower cognitive abilities were less tolerant to groups that were different than them, and more susceptible to right-wing ideologies of prejudice, intolerance and racism.
This study was done adjusting for socioeconomic and educational backgrounds in both the U.K. and the U.S. by Gordon Hodson and Michael A. Busseri of Brock University in Canada and was reported by the Association for Psychological Science. The article was titled "Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes: Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact." This shines a light for me anyhow, on how so many voters who don't seem to have much going for them on the economic front can be continually persuaded to vote against their own best interests. This doesn't mean, of course, that all conservatives are stupid, or conversely, that all liberals are smart. And before you go off on the tirades that I'm sure are to follow this last paragraph, read the study. It is very well documented and takes into account most, if not all, factors that could have slanted such a study. It also helps to explain a lot of the character assassination and loopy factoids that seem to be readily believed by the guys and gals that wear the three cornered hats and carry the signs at rallies, and that carry the unread Constitutions in their pockets. The conservative dogma appeals to them because of its rigid adherence to the status quo and resistance to change and open-mindedness and tolerance of others. Conservative hucksters like Dick Armey, Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers, Rush, Glenn and myriad Fox News talking heads have figured out how to mine the minds of these people who don't care to or don't have the wherewithal to find out the truth for themselves. They sell fear, of those unlike themselves, of change, and a medicine show flummery that if only the conservatives can take total control, they will be safe. Mitch Daniels gave a prime example in his GOP answer to the State of the Union address, when he said we are a nation of Haves and Soon to Haves. After 40 years of a growing disparity between the rich elite 1 percent and the rest of us, how could anyone believe that the rest of us are Soon to Haves? The GOP and their enablers have buffaloed a sizable portion of the population into believing that they're looking out for your best interests, because your interests are the same as theirs! It hasn't worked ever before in the history of this country, or in the world, for that matter, and it won't work now.
Fortunately, this cognitive dissonance is not represented by a majority of the population in this country. The GOP has been overstepping in much of the country since their resurgence, under false pretenses, I might add, and has been playing a dangerous game politically, trying to keep all the balls in the air. They aren't up to the task, as evident by their slate of presidential candidates. They've used the usual sleight of hand to push an agenda that bears no resemblance to the issues they ran on in 2010, and managed to honk off a lot of people, including a lot of their supporters in a ham-handed grab for power. David Frum, the Bushie who first coined the phrase Axis of Evil, said in a piece in the NY Times: "Backed by their own wing of the book publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics." Mike Lofgren, a former GOP Senate staffer and operative for 28 years also has been sounding the alarm. He said, "It should have been evident to clear-eyed observers that the Republican Party is becoming less and less like a traditional political party in a representative democracy and becoming more like an apocalyptic cult, or one of the intensely ideological, authoritarian parties of 20th century Europe." Like, fascism maybe? And these guys are both long-time GOP operatives, not some commie liberal bloggers. If they're worried, don't you think we all should be? The thing that worries me the most though is that the Democrats and independents who are worried and mad won't bother to vote. Apathy could very well be the last gasp of democracy in this country before wealth takes total control.
Vote. No matter how bad you think things are now, they could be infinitely worse.
Tags: David Frum, Don Burnard, Gordon Hodson, intelligence, Michael A. Busseri, Mike Lofgren, racism, Republican Party, The Hot Corner, "Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes: Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact"


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Windows 8: The desktop review
- By Joel Hruska on October 26, 2012 at 12:26 pm
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Fonts and rendering
Windows 8 made significant changes to font rendering in both Metro and Desktop mode. I first noticed it in Notepad, which is where I write most of my stories before posting them online. The font has been changed to Consolas, from Lucida Console. ClearType's implementation has also changed. Previously, ClearType used sub-pixel colors to hint to the eye about the color of the text. In Windows 8, ClearType is implemented strictly in gray scale.
Here's an example, from this story.
Here's the first few words of the first sentence, zoomed in at 600%.
The move to grayscale antialiasing has been criticized by some, and I have to agree, it does blur the text slightly. Chrome's desktop browser looks the same in Windows 8 and Windows 7; Firefox makes a few tiny changes that are only visible on extreme close-up. The difference between font rendering in Metro vs. non-Metro apps is much larger; you may never notice the change in Desktop mode unless you look for it.
Desktop performance
Last summer, Microsoft released a number of graphs and claims on how Windows 8 would feature a quicker, more responsive desktop compared to Windows 7. These sorts of 2D tests aren't the kind of thing most desktop applications focus on these days, which leaves us dependent on subjective experience.
With that in mind, Windows 8's 2D environments feel faster than Windows 7. Windows 7 was no slouch when it came to switching tasks or moving windows, but the new OS cuts latency even more. Switching to and from the Start screen is very nearly as fast as the old Start menu, programs launch quickly, and the OS — dare I say it — just works.
That's part of what makes the Metro/Desktop situation so enraging. The Desktop is really well done.
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Nice review, Joel, and I definitely agree with you in your conclusion. I'll be skipping over 8 as well. They made some great improvements, but it's not enough to make me want to upgrade. Here's to Windows 9 ;)
Nice review Joel, I do think that 'patches' will be applied to bring back all of the elements that have established Windows as the standard. If people want to figure out something new then why not just jump to Linux (Which is so easy to use these days).
Linux is nice, but the reason I find myself always going back to Windows is because I always hit a game which won't work properly with Wine. If we could perfect Wine, or just include Linux development into game development cycles, then I would move back .. till then I enjoy Windows as much as Linux and can play *all* of my games too.
http://www.facebook.com/ian.skinner.9 Ian Skinner
it's a good thing then that Steam is porting to Linux..
Joel Hruska
Steam doesn't contain every game I've ever played, and it's not a replacement for Windows. I wouldn't switch to it for the same reason I wouldn't be interested in switching to Mac. It's not that either product is bad — it's that they combine a learning curve and less of the software I want to run.
I've owned a MacBook Pro and I'd use a Linux system as a strictly secondary affair, but that's about it.
The issue is this: Until VNC (the illustration that you used) has a better live tile app then there is no reason to have it on the modern start menu. Why would you have a bunch of ugly icons on your start screen? The start screen is nothing more than a full screen start
menu with rich information built into the icon.
Every app can benefit with a little bit of rich information built into its launch icon. I pose a question: when was the last time that you really had to go into the start menu to launch your software that you use every day? Whether or not you are a power user or a person who can barely right click, Windows 8, after the paradigm is learned, will be better for both users.
Think of like this: All the FUD videos of users staring dumbfounded at the start screen in W8 wondering what to do is the same as the old videos of people not know what to do with the mouse in windows 95.
It is new and it is innovative and if people want to keep cluttering up their start menu, desktop, and quick launch bar with useless launch icons then so be it
You Microsoft employees are beyond silly. As much as pathetic.
You trying to sell the awful atrocious Metro/ModernUI childish crap is just plain lame.
Comparing the mess that Windows8 is with when Windows95 was released is even more pathetic as much as absolutely untrue.
Personally chojin999, I thought I would *hate* the Modern UI. After using it for 3 weeks now I have grown to absolutely love it. I never really used the Start Menu before in Windows 7, and I hardly even enter the Modern UI in Windows 8. But when I do, boy is it both beautiful and much more useful than the old one.
Joel Hruska
I agree with you that some apps aren't remotely optimized for what they display on the Start Menu. Unfortunately, that speaks to other design issues with the OS.
For example: A 3D rendering program might conceivably have 3-4 programs that do different things. Install Adobe's Master Suite, and you might have 8-10 icons. All of those programs have uses and are important.
For years, the hierarchical approach dictated that you could put the most important options "closer" to the main directory and spread the less-important functions out in seldom-used directories. Metro flattens this.
Yes, I can pull apps off the Smart Screen manually — but that's annoying when the app in question might be a program I don't use *often*, but still need to use.
The fundamental problem here is that MS designed Metro to display very simple content layouts. When we first saw the OS, IT journalists gave a collective nod and said: "Ok, it's *great* for simple stuff. Got it. Now, how are they going to do complex?"
The closer we got to launch, the more it became apparent that they weren't. That's why Metro craters when it gets near complex desktop apps. As for why it fails at so many simple tasks as well, I truly don't know.
A button that says "Open in Browser" or "Change Permissions" isn't exactly paradigm-busting.
The issue then is that the application should adapt for Windows 8 installation so that it installs it's shortcuts in a more user friendly manner, instead of requiring Windows to be tied to the way old applications *used* to be installed.
http://www.facebook.com/ian.skinner.9 Ian Skinner
arrogance and stupidity are not pretty..
I understand what you are saying and I think that a little bit of finesse could solve this, but i don't really think that Windows has to do much. There were talks of making the tiles a box that would essentially have six sides, but lets stick with what we have.
I will take Adobe for example and only the launch shortcuts. If it was a live tile, it could be designed in one or two ways: The first click would then spread out to show all of the apps in the suite or the live tile could have all the apps listed in 2 columns to click on. If the user only used Premeire and Photoshop they could be sepeterated out into 2 live tiles with the last used file listed on the live tile.
I will admit that the program that doesn't get used much (for instance wireshark or netscanner) i need to be more savvy to get to it. I can either have an ugly icon on my start screen or i can pin it to my quick launch on the desktop. Either way the "All Apps" screen when zoomed out it is much, much faster then going through little expanding menus in the W7 Start menu. I actually prefer the "All Apps" now.
But i can not agree that when "It (windows 8) gets near complex apps that metro craters". I just don't understand this. How does Metro crater after
you launch the app? Do you mean that if Adobe tried to create an all encompassing Photoshop app that was both made for Touch and for the classic keyboard and mouse that it would "crater"? That I agree with you, but we are talking about the OS not the "modern" design paradigm. But I don't think that stops Adobe from creating a seperate app just for touch that is in the Modern Style that would probably be great for touch. I would steer away from it if I was photo editor, but if the Adobe CS6 cloud license came with a seperate Metro version that i could pick up where i left off on my Surface, I would love that.
I think evolution of design will also move us further, i think this is the best argument for moving to W8. It is the next step to the idea where we have more direct control over or ocmputing enviroment. I hate when people use the Minority Report comparison, but it just has to be made. As touch, motion, and voice contorl of devices evolve then the cumbersome design paradigm of "modern" apps that "complex" software breaks under will eventually be able to done used with only touch. It is inevitable. Keyboards and mice have a shelf life and I can argue that W8 has made that expiration date a little shorter than it was before launch.
I think that Live tiles could be used to urge users to use the product more which creates more revenue oppurtunity. How about Blizzard showing your online users in a really pretty live tile or selling the next expansion for Diablo. These are easy and just scratch the surface.
But again, we are talking about launch icons and how best to lay them out. I can say that W8 is surperior. But the great thing about W8 is that you can still have a cluttered desktop if you want.
Joel Hruska
Keyboards and mice have a shelf life
They don't. Two reasons why (one for each):
1) Physical keyboards provide valuable tactile feedback that there's no easy way to duplicate in touch. There are ergonomic studies on this. Absent tactile feedback, users make more mistakes and take longer to type messages. It's not an iOS issue — your hands know where they on the keyboard based on subtle indicators that aren't physically present in a touch device. That's why, for example, home row keys have a tiny divot or raised area.
2) Mice pointers are pixel-perfect. That means you can translate mouse pointer precision down to one pixel's worth of difference. Fingers, in contrast, are anything but pixel perfect. Your nervous system isn't calibrated to *target* individual pixels. A mouse can give you that.
Now, if you're saying that keyboards and mice have to make room for other interface paradigms, I agree with you — but neither is going anywhere.
i have to say windows 8 looks alot better hten i once thought it would b elike, but if i could get rid of the metro interface alltogeather and get the start button back i would be a whole lot happier
Joel Hruska
There are apps for doing that. Check out Classic Shell.
The Modern UI goes away by hitting the Windows key. It only comes back when you hit the Windows Key or hit the start button when you summon it. The Metro Interface is essentially just a full screen start menu with interactive tiles which bring you more information about your program. Have an open mind and I think you'll end up loving the Modern UI as I have.
http://www.facebook.com/ian.skinner.9 Ian Skinner
now how would I learn to love it if I'm never going to use it.. silly .
Joel Hruska
Ironically, I agree with you as far as the Start Screen is concerned. Let me put it this way –if the Start Screen was the only issue I had with Metro, than the already-available apps and tools would've solved my concerns.
But since my assignment was to focus on Metro/Desktop interaction, my explorations there went deeper (that story will be out soon). And that's where things became profoundly irritating.
Trying to use Metro apps to do anything work-related is disastrous. Whole categories of simple function aren't in place. Given that these are issues businesses have been raising for over a year, it's impossible to claim MS wasn't aware of them.
http://twitter.com/senfunn Senthil S
I don't think enterprise work needs to be integrated with Metro unless it is a convertible and u are on the tablet mode (detached).
Otherwise desktop seems pretty much the same with better file-browser.
Win8 is "Win7 with FullScreen-Start Button"
John T
I agree Joel. My Company just finished 3 months of Testing Win 8. It was a complete disaster, Trying to Apply the Touch interfacing to a PC's which are intended for creating, ,just does not work. It brings the work flow to a crawl. Try running and using Software like Solidworks , Revit or even Excel on Win 8,It is a Excercise in frustration. Win 8 will be a complete disaster for business. Also for you Microsoft Marketing Trolls out harassing posters Blow it out you Lying A@$% all of you are just as bad as the Apple trolls
Joel Hruska
Why would it be an exercise in frustration?There aren't Metro versions of those programs. Excel 2013 might be a bit finger-friendly, but Solidworks? No way.
Is there a specific reason you are using the touch interfacing on Windows 8 aside from it being Windows 8? The only time I have to use the touch gestures is inside the Modern UI, which means that about 98% of the time it's identical to how I used Windows 7. Same goes for Excel, I use both Excel 2010 and 2013 on my Win8 machine and it works identical as before my upgrade, minus the major speed improvements in 2013.
Lol, so it's just like Windows 7, but without the start menu! And you get the added joy of having to deal with Metro constantly! YEA, let's upgrade right NOW! /sarcasm.
lol..NERDS..if you don't like Windows 8 than don't upgrade..no one really
cares. $15 is nothing but if your poor and broke then stick to your
windows 7 or windows 95. but your sarcastic bashing of an OS is just
http://www.facebook.com/prakashvb Prakash Chandrasekaran
I am really frustrated with Metro. It doesn't really feel intuitive to use with a mouse on desktop. It is really difficult to close the metro app by dragging down via mouse, when you can just click the close button in desktop mode. And I still haven't figured out how to navigate the IE 10 tabs without keyboard shortcuts :( I believe it is not for 'mouse' use.
Good review, i'm also going to wait for either a patch or Windows 9. I don't see the point in paying for slightly faster boot times, along with the hassle of changing my workflow. I'm all for touchscreen interfaces in phones and tablets, but not on my desktop.
I have a feeling Microsoft is going to struggle to sell this to businesses, hopefully it'll teach them a lesson, they should listen to their customers.
No thanks, I use Linux.
Ruel Smith
Ugly, 2D UI is an improvement? Of course a 2D UI is _faster_ than a compositing 3D UI… Duh! I won't bet upgrading, at least not for a long time. Windows 7 is the BEST Windows to date, and I don't see Windows 8 unseating that. As a matter of fact, I see some return to the way Widows 7 operates in the next release, Windows 9, after the obvious backlash from consumers over this treachery!
user 9693
MS makes things complicated and ugly whereas apple makes things easy and beautiful
generally because they know there user-base is full of complete morons
Captain obvious
generally because they know their user-base is full of complete morons
http://www.velvetspark.com/ LAChris
Great review and advice. Good job without the marketing BS.
Why don't you boys cry some more.
Grow up. A few days of using Start screen makes the old start button look trerribly obsolete. You can pretty much create the folder structure you had without having to dig down through ALL PROGRAM-FOLDER-FILE Executable. It's been simplified to START – OH THERES THE EXECUTABLE (IM DONE).
it also teaches people to be more efficient. All the search options are there. You can still rightclick in the bottom left hand corner of you screen and see everything the start button had minus the "shutdown" and "all programs" list… it still gives a start-button like box with the most common tools.
It's a step forward into a merging world of mobile devices that will mingle with desktops and laptops. Unification.
Nobody stopping you from right clicking in the bottom left hand corner of the screen on the desktop when the "start" preview pops up down there and clicking "Run" and or "Search" or "File Explorer" or all the other options that are there. Hell, start being more efficient and learning key commands, or add a search/run/browser box to your task bar.
You think folks who had to go from punch cards to ASM& UNIX, then DOS and its merry band of autoexec.bat's, config.sys, and himem.sys, to front ends like Windows 1.0, Eight-in-One, and then overhaul to Windows 3.1, NT and eventually 95 like having to learn new shit? No. Probably not. But they did it. Because why? Because it was the future.
Deal with it.
We could… or we could just stick with the tried and tested Windows 7. Your rant only proves that i have no good reason to downgrade to W8, thanks.
Your refusal to change will be your undoing, kind sir!
Lol of course, yet my computer is working perfectly. Thanks for the advice tho.
no his rant proves that nerds like you need to get a life and quit obsessing about how bad you think this OS is. no one cares that you don't upgrade. i don't care and microsoft doesn't care about your $15. $15 is nothing to me so I am upgrading just for the new look. get a a job and a life :D
Nerds like me? Yet you're taking the time to comment on my comment? Lol. Glad you can afford $15, i'm really impressed.
Joel Hruska
You know, this would make a lot more sense if I'd spent time criticizing the Start Screen. Start Screen is fine. Other Metro issues described in upcoming article.
I wasn't really arguing your review, as much as I was arguing against some of the start screen hate in the comments section. Just so you know that.
Here's hoping that this is the decade wherein linux finally "comes of age" and mops the floor with the competition already. If this isn't the golden opportunity to do so, I'm not sure what in the world will be, short of all of the important encoding and decoding technologies finally hitting public domain.
As soon as games are 100% supported (and not an afterthough) on the Linux platform by major developers, there's a great chance I'll switch to Ubuntu (whose interface and promised features I really like) OR just stay with Windows 7 for a decade or 2 =)
Joel Detrow
"That's part of what makes the Metro/Desktop situation so enraging. The Desktop is really well done."
Freudian slip? ;)
Also, there's a pretty big goof in the first page, when you're explaining why there's a review of Windows 8 for touch devices and a review for desktop only. It looks like you revised a sentence but forgot to delete the part you were changing.
Joel Hruska
Fixed that, I think. The Metro/Desktop bit isn't a Freudian slip. I'll go into more detail on this on the upcoming story, but the bottom line is that if I could buy desktop as a sort-of Windows 7.8, I absolutely would.
I don't want to buy W8 as is, because I don't want to pay MS for releasing what I consider to be such a flawed product. That's a principle argument, not a technical one.
great, another luddite article…might as well start ignoring everything regarding consumer tech and read only the occasional cool scientific article
Having read both this article and the article on tablets it's quite obvious trying to combine mobile and desktop functions in one operating system carries some pretty severe compromises. Both articles point to patches addressing the shortcomings but I remain unconvinced that there's a quick fix. Having a powerful desktop operating system at my fingertips on a tablet is attractive but having to work around all those tablet features on my desktop is beyond counter-productive. I'd be willing to wait for things to get ironed out on a tablet computer but there's no way I'm putting this on a desktop.
Part of the problem with this article is it seems to miss the point that that Start Screen is a quick-start page for commonly used or at-start apps. Your trying to say "Well, its hard to differentiate legacy installer icons when it pastes 10 of the same icon with slightly altered names per service" (as is the case for the TightVNC). The Start Screen wasn't intended to act as a "all programs/folder/subfolder/file(s)" replacement. It's 'literally' just a quick launch screen. You wouldn't treat quick launch as a place to house 10 similar icons for the same program that have different purposes.
Example is this:
You App's screen, however, is made for this. It retains the same tree hierarchy as "Programs/folder/subfolder/file executable" in a modern style, as well as searching for apps/files/etc as you can see in my example below:
You can access the apps screen just by the magnify glass from the charms bar, or right-clicking where the start button would be on the desktop ion the lower left hand corner of the screen and choosing "search". BTW, *a lot* of people do not know about that right-click menu that gives you a almost identical Start Button-like list on the desktop (minus shutdown and all programs, which are now replaced with shutdown from charms button and Apps list respectively)
Also… a lot of people are whining about the old run/search field being gone, and the one in the search screen not being to their liking. you can still, however, add a run/search/address bar that functions identical to your taskbar on the desktop in Windows 8.
Wow, thanks for the heads up on right clicking the start hot corner on the desktop! I've been using it since the Dev Preview… never thought to try that lol. Super handy shortcut there! I wish ctrl+win key would bring that context menu up as well :)
Yes, it's kind of odd that more people don't know about that Start Button "right-click" menu from the bottom left of the win 8 desktop. If you left click the start button, of course, it takes you to the start screen, but right click brings up the old START BUTTON menu options list…
Indeed! It turns out win key+x will open that right click menu too :) real neat.
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http://www.mrseb.co.uk/ Sebastian Anthony
Ooh, that's a nice shortcut!
mark simpson
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mark simpson
IF you want the REAL, Genuine Microsoft windows 7 Explorer and start menu GO TO THIS SITE http://www.start.host-ed.me it has now been made available for windows 8
http://www.facebook.com/prakashvb Prakash Chandrasekaran
After downloading it via Upgrade Assistant, it failed with message "Access Denied.". A second try started to download from 0%. I cancelled it and used my MSDN subscription to download the ISO.
Once installed, I found it really difficult to use with Laptop mouse/trackpad. The OS is fast, and the tiles look gorgeous and all, but it took me lot of time to perform simple activities like searching an app, shutting down, etc., and switching between metro and desktop is really awful. On top of it, I am unable to get WiFi working :( I am reverting back to Windows 7 for now. :(
Joel, after I read the 1st paragraph where you said that Windows Metro is "the most significant operating system update Microsoft has launched since Windows 95″. I stopped right there and left to leave you this here little comment.
It's obvious that you don't know operating systems. Windows 95 is an operating shell, not a system. Windows 2000 was the first true operating system (and significant) from Microsoft.
Stupid double posting troll..It was sad enough to see your comment once but twice..
Sorry about that but… when I clicked on Post as it just sat there. I have posted to other media boards much like this one many have a feature that prevents duplicate postings. But a website that calls itself "Extreme Tech" should already have that feature built in. I'm just saying and again, my apologies.
Michael Garrett
Please stop talking. Comments are handled by Disqus, not ET. I will agree that the comparison to Win8 to Win95 is a little much when it, more appropriately, should be compared to WinXP in terms of its hype before launch.
Michael, I did not know that Disqus would be handling the discussion. If that is the case then why bother at all with E.T.?
Michael Garrett
Its a plugin so this site nor any other site that uses this comment system has control over its feature set. Its abasic feature so I dunno why it doesn't have that either.
Hey, thanks for the reply. I'll remember that in the future.
FYI: I live in N. Michigan where we have lots of small businesses. Most of them are still using Win XP and refuse to upgrade due to overall cost of buying into new Vista/7/8 support programs (Hallmark, Roxio CD burn s/w etc). They just can't afford the upgrade to newer programs.
I see Win XP being the standard for small businesses (under 10 employees) for at least the next 10 or so years. Especially with a bad economy going on.
Thought I'd share that with you…
Michael Garrett
I know a bunch of business will still use it even tho its been EOL'd. I'd say it would be in those companies favor to consider an: upgrade to win7 now that win8 is out. Im sure you can find it cheapand you'll need it to retain support for most products.
Joel, after I read the
1st paragraph where you said that Windows Metro is "the most
significant operating system update Microsoft has launched since Windows
95″. I stopped right there and left to leave you this here little
It's obvious that you don't know operating systems. Windows 95 is an
operating shell, not a system. Windows 2000 was the first true operating
system (and significant) from Microsoft.
Imagine W8 if Microsoft wanted to build *cars*…
Check out the above linked article for how to boot straight into desktop.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003976957614 Willy McBurgle
Bit of a sour-grapes finish isn't it? "I like it but you upset me so I'm not getting it…" – it would seem that you used this review to make a political statement about Microsoft's business practices rather than conclude the review on the product's merit which is what a review is actually about.
@Joel Hruska, one thing I would say you need to think about… Using the metro Start page ONLY as your start menu. Using the windows key to quickly go there and Win-D to go back to desktop (or just Windows key) is very quick and easy, and here is my tip.
REMOVE ALL METRO APPS! ALL OF THEM. Use only the Win8 apps, and use Metro purely as a very pretty way to display your apps. You can drag and drop your Start page so apps are grouped/categorised the way you want… so it would be pretty easy to make it as intuitive as an alphabetical hierarchical menu… give it a go!
@google-508488f293a18f0bd7a9768484c4c39d:disqus also there is a way to make the Start menu default to ALL APPS which is an alphabetical list like youd get on the old home button, but of course, much wider and prettier.
@google-508488f293a18f0bd7a9768484c4c39d:disqus also IMO the biggest PITA is the lack of sleep/hibernate/shutdown in Desktop mode, and even in the Start screen it is UNBELIEVABLY stupidly placed, you have to mouse about to get the charms, then go to Settings (????? WTF) then Power, and THEN choose to shutdown. TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE… by far the worst thing about win8.
http://www.ifkknrokk.com/ Daan van den Bergh
I bought Windows 8 for my HTPC, simply as a backend for my XBMC-frontend. I am very happy with the fact that it's way faster than Windows 7 and much more stable. Also it handles things like resuming from suspend to RAM awesome out of the box, where I needed to install an additional app in Windows 7.
I would never install Windows 8 on a desktop, because I can't stand the start screen, everything else is simply awesome. If they release an SP1 with a disable Start Screen function I'll be happy camper, because I love everything else about it.
I really don't get why microsoft decided to go this route, because I can't image that people would be buying this for their laptop, The start screen seriously reduces the wife approval factor, which is what most Windows owners are dealing with. Besides that, no company can go for Windows 8. So I don't get what their point was with this.
http://www.facebook.com/yudha.alid Yudha Alid Raharjo
don't care about Win 8, although I interested to use in tablet but no way for desktop. The most important for me is productivity with real world. I mean, it's doesn't matter what OS you use as long as it fit with your daily use. I have friend use macbook pro that cost almost 2X from my notebook, but his monthly earning isn't as much as I am :D
For now, I still use Win XP on my desktop, and Win 7 on my notebook and never use Vista. So, why use newer OS or software if you don't really need it or even maximize it?
so, it's back to our personal needed. I just need for daily use and productivity and improve my earning, don't take care for the interface, prestige etc.
so i cant listen to my browser when i go back to my desktop (without closing brower) on my windows 8 how can i change this??
The article is so poorly written as to be worthless.
Sentence structure is atrocious.
The author excels at ambiguity.