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#12 - anon (06/30/2013) [-]
If a man were to walk down the street with a fancy suit and a Rolex and was mugged, nobody would say it's his fault for wearing something indicating he has wealth for the taking. But when a woman wants to tan in a bikini at a pool, she's asking to get leered at? The sexism is astounding.
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#183 to #12 - bladebites (07/01/2013) [-]
I admit to wearing some clothes that would be considered revealing (not necessarily excessively slutty, but pretty flashy nonetheless). Not because I want to get stared at, but because I don't like clothes that cover up too much from a fashion standpoint. Of course if someone is being excessively rude about it I'll be annoyed by it, but otherwise I don't go around complaining about people looking every once in a while. It's not that they're treating you badly or anything, or even that you're the sexiest thing to walk the earth, it's just if you show a lot of cleavage don't be surprised when you get a couple of looks. What's the point of wearing a short skirt if you don't want anyone to look at your legs? That's like getting a tattoo on your forehead and getting mad when someone looks at it; what's the point of having it?
#106 to #12 - anon (06/30/2013) [-]
Depends on the situation. If he was in backstreet Chicago I'd laugh my ass off and say, "what the **** did you expect? Dumbass." If a girl is walking alone in backstreet Chicago and gets raped I'd say, "That was really stupid of you to go alone. I wish it didn't take this to teach you all something." And promptly go take a fire-axe to the rapist's dick.
Reply+3#99 to #12 - kaboozle123 (06/30/2013) [-]
actually we would say that he was more likely to get mugged because he wore expensive things and showed off his expensive things. the only difference between that man and a woman dressed as a slut getting raped is the man won't claim that what he was wearing had nothing to do with it.
and yes she is because that's ******* biology you idiot. human males are designed to look for the ideal mate and therefore we look around and stare. so yeah ******* expect to get stared at if you dress in something revealing or something that makes you stand out and be attractive. you're just asking for it because you wouldn't dress that way otherwise.
ignorant bitch
and yes she is because that's ******* biology you idiot. human males are designed to look for the ideal mate and therefore we look around and stare. so yeah ******* expect to get stared at if you dress in something revealing or something that makes you stand out and be attractive. you're just asking for it because you wouldn't dress that way otherwise.
ignorant bitch
#96 to #12 - chiefrunnyjeans (06/30/2013) [-]
those aren't the same thing at all. People with lots of valuable things out in the open have a higher chance of getting robbed no matter what their gender or race is. It isn't someones fault if they get robbed, but if a woman is going to wear attractive provocative clothing then she has to accept the fact that men will stare no matter what.
Reply-9#84 to #12 - tisjunkisdamnfunny (06/30/2013) [-]
**** too late
feminism is stupid- men are clearly the most dominate and once our race realizes that we won't have to smack hoes so much
you decided if gif related dykes
Reply+2#79 to #12 - bariummanisback (06/30/2013) [-]
#78 to #12 - anon (06/30/2013) [-]
a rolex is something worth actual money i can steel a rolex and actually sell it to someone or keep it to myself for its value. But if a woman is in the wrong type of neighborhood dressing like a whore, she should expect something to go wrong because there are always gonna be bad people out there. And no if a man gets mugged his rolex in a bad area it's his fault for wearing it there in the first place just as it is your fault for dressing like that there. Your argument is extremely invalid you are comparing apples and oranges, have fun drowning in a sea of red thumbs
#77 to #12 - satansatan (06/30/2013) [-]
It's because of people stupid like you, that there's war in this world
Reply+17#42 to #12 - haseotakaeda (06/30/2013) [-]
#145 to #42 - itsnotbutthurt (06/30/2013) [-]
3 hours later and it's -316.
This is gonna be good.
This is gonna be good.
#41 to #12 - mayoroftownsville (06/30/2013) [-]
They would if he was in the Bronx.
#40 to #12 - alltimetens (06/30/2013) [-]
The difference is human biology, specifically, male biology. Males will look at a poorly covered woman due to their biological instinct to do so, also due to the fact that we are free to look wherever. Looking doesn't hurt anyone. Stealing something is a no-no in the civilized world, you are not free to steal.
If you're going to compare a mere glance to a crime, you really are ignorant.
If you're going to compare a mere glance to a crime, you really are ignorant.
Reply+9#37 to #12 - thedungeonmaster (06/30/2013) [-]
Yeah cause mugging someone and looking at someone are equally as bad right lol
Reply-4#28 to #12 - bobbyshallunite (06/30/2013) [-]
Is someone was to walk down a ghetto area alone while dressed in expensive cloths and got mugged, I would blame him. I remember in P.E during highschool, if we don't lock our lockers, it is our fault for not putting a lock on it and protecting our own things.
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#25 to #12 - spankyy (06/30/2013) [-]
I get your point, but I really think the whole "dressed provocatively" thing would be a more apt comparison for this argument. If he's walking through a neighborhood where he's likely to get mugged, dressed as though he's rich, then he certainly did deserve it. Aside from that, the guys are just looking. If I look at someone on the street whose got tons of money i'm not necessarily going to rob them. If I look at an attractive woman in a bikini i'm not going to rape her either. If you're an attractive young woman and you're in a bikini (virtually no different than underwear) then men are going to look at you. If they sit there staring at you the whole time then yeah, that's a little much, but they're going to look at you. Aside from that, she would likely (as other posters have said) have NO problem if she found the guys attractive. It's only because she deems them unattractive that this is a problem in her eyes.
#24 to #12 - anon (06/30/2013) [-]
and actually yeah if you are walking down a street in a fancy as **** clothing then you are a little asking for getting mugged because there are individuals out there who'll see your fancy **** and think you're a good mugging target. It's not YOUR fault that you got mugged but the other person's but still you did make yourself a brighter target
Reply+9#22 to #12 - deliveryman ONLINE (06/30/2013) [-]
The men in the post are just looking, they aren't raping her. Thats like the guy with the nice suit and watch walking down the street and a guy looks at him and says, "damn, nice suit and watch."
Reply+3#16 to #12 - bandoslootshare (06/30/2013) [-]
If a man is mugged for dressing like a rich person, then people will say he deserved it. This is the same way with the woman. Both holds true, and both are consistent with each other.
Reply-7#20 to #16 - titsandpuss (06/30/2013) [-]
yeah i know right. i would say that. what is he/she ? a retarted fish frog?
#14 to #12 - anon (06/30/2013) [-]
I understand your point, and it's valid... if the topic here is rape. It isn't. People are free to look wherever they want, and revealing clothing is going to draw looks. I understand why she's uncomfortable about it, and it would certainly be disrespectful to stare, but to some extent looking is expected. Don't pretend women don't do the same thing if they see a guy they think is hot. Guys just don't complain about it.
Moral of the story: context is everything. Without knowing if they were staring or just looking, it's impossible to say whether or not they were being disrespectful.
Moral of the story: context is everything. Without knowing if they were staring or just looking, it's impossible to say whether or not they were being disrespectful.
#92 to #14 - rockerforlife (06/30/2013) [-]
Sorry but her point is not valid, if you're walking in a ghetto neighborhood wearing a tux, a rolex and you have your wallet filled to the brim on you, you're a ******* dumbass.
#97 to #92 - superanonymouspers (06/30/2013) [-]
well then that's your fault.
Reply+231#13 to #12 - majormoron (06/30/2013) [-]
Found the feminist.


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Only days after the arrival of her son, songwriter Kenny O'Dell of Nolensville, Tennessee, locally known as Kenny Gist, Jr.; Marian Gist, 86, of Santa Maria, California passed peacefully away early in the morning hours of July 24, 2012 after a two week battle with lung and heart failure. Marian was surrounded by friends and loved ones during her last few days. A graveside service with Rev. Gary Grant officiating will take place at the Santa Maria Cemetery at 10:30 am on Tuesday, July 31, 2012. Marian, was born July 19, 1926 on the family farm in Antlers, to Gordon and Lydia Westbook. As was common in farming families of the time she came from a large family of eight children. Kenneth Gist, Sr., her husband of 69 years, was a Marine combat veteran who was a gunner and driver of an amphibian landing craft in every major battle in the Pacific Theater during World War II. In 1943 shortly before this period, in their mid-west hometown, Ken and Marian met, fell in love, and married before he left for the Pacific. Ken received word by mail of the birth of his son while on duty in the Pacific. After the conclusion of the war in the mid 1940s until the mid 1950s they owned and operated a series of three sawmills on Bear Mountain and Piute Mountain in the Sierras close to Bakersfield. In 1957 they moved to Santa Maria where Ken worked as business agent for the Teamster's Union for the next 9 years and where their son grew up and attended local schools. In the 1970s and early 1980s Ken and Marian moved to Fallon, Nevada, to be centrally located. They opened and operated the Ken Mark Booking Agency which evolved into a successful agency that provided entertainment nationwide. Upon retirement from the agency they moved back to their beloved Santa Maria which they considered home. One can see the pride Marian had for her songwriter son in her living room which is adorned with gold records and other memorabilia from his songwriting career. Such tunes as "Behind Closed Doors" and "Momma the Man's Crazy" are among his many hits. Marian was preceded in death by her parents Gordon and Lydia Westbrook and an infant brother. She is survived by her husband, Kenneth Gist, Sr. Santa Maria; Son Kenneth Gist, Jr. and wife Corki Spears Gist, Nolensville, Tennessee; three grandchildren, AI Casey and wife Donna Casey, Diane Range and husband Steve Range, Sandra Blevens and husband Chuck Blevens all of Tennessee; Seven great grandchildren and three great-great grandchildren all of Tennessee; as well as six beloved younger siblings. In lieu of flowers, memorials can be made to the American Heart Association, P.O. Box 363, Santa Barbara, CA 93102.
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This post is part of a weekly series of 'link-up' Posts which reflect on life's journey, old memories and family stories (see below for more info).
So, having reviewed your stories of leaving home last week, it's time to turn our attention to romance. What's your story?
Since nobody enjoys an epic Blog Post, I will spare you the inventory of my entire love life. *mops brow*
A man once said (actually it was probably a woman since it contains a hefty splash of cynicism):-
"Trying to teach a teenager the facts of life is like trying to give a fish a bath."
How the hell did we learn all that stuff?!
Anyway, I've narrowed down the list to THE big life-changing romance. The one that took me from teenager to woman, taught me the life-wisdom that a Grammar School for Girls could not, and silently stabbed at my parents' hearts and tested their resolve. Big time.
At 18 I was seriously athletic. A County and almost-England netballer, who had taken up weight training at a local gym. I met him there.
He had blonde curly hair and wore a cream Arran jumper. He looked a little older than me, but I was smitten within days.
For the record, the only major error of judgement I made at this point was with my abismal 'guess the monkey's age' technique. He was 38 and (I later discovered) had two boys who were both older than my 18 year old self. Shite.
In addition to his two adult doppelgangers, he also had a black Triumph Spitfire, plenty of money in his pocket, AND incredible muscles. Still smitten, soz Mum.
This amazing, unforgettable romance brought into my life the following:-
1. My very first taste of Indian cuisine
2. My very first pub lock-in
3. Brown and Mild (pints thereof)
4. A kit car (red) – total dude magnet
5. 7 enormous, tattooed brothers to love
6. A new best girl friend, still here after 25 years
7. Countless knock-off Billy Ocean tape cassettes bought from the fella in the pub on a Friday night
8. Amazing trips to Canada, Maldives, Greece to name but a few
9. Endless laughter
10. An acute intolerance for men who don't return home at night. Hmmmm
I loved this man with all my teenage heart for almost 10 years. And then I wasn't a teenager any more, so he had to go. I don't mind if he reads this, nor if my husband reads it. Old boyfriends are part of who we are, and I for one am glad today to celebrate this impossible, adorable, geriatric specimen publicly. I hope he's still hanging in there.
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Week 4 – Bestest Friends
Week 5 – Teenage Crushes
Week 6 – First Movie Memories
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Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
I thought about drawing you a Venn diagram, but since this is well within the reach common sense, I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling. Instead I'm only going to tell you: Those two groups are not the same.
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Joined: 6/23/09
Originally posted by Quirhid
Thanks for clarifing something I never said.
The groups are not the same, the groups are also far from seperated. There is more cross over from people who play MMOs to those who play casual games than those who only play MMOs and never touch casual games.
I actually think that most of the people that play MMO's casually are exactly the same people that do/would play games on tablets and phones.
Just data pulled out of my own rear end :)
Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.
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Joined: 11/05/11
"Kill me, my man kills you, that's how you lose."
What I miss most is the need of other players.
My first game EQ the majority of my enjoyment came from the time I put into my character and the interactions with other players.
The only other MMO I really enjoyed since, DF I enjoyed that I had to rely on other players to help take out other clans.
I enjoyed not being the best (and knowing that) and having to have other people who were not as skilled as many others to try to take a better geared, better skill, better all around player. I like to work towards improving my characters skill, gear, and my skill/ability to play the game.
"I see they watchin' me and takin' notes on my moves, Run up on me it's all I want I ain't got nothin' to lose."
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Joined: 7/30/12
I would pay a premium to buy and per month to get what the OP is describing... and that may be what developpers should look into. The current variety of mmos are geared for people living in their parents basement, or kids having their parents pay their subscriptions... If it costs a little more, then you better really want it... I for one, would be willing to pay more for something like what the OP is describing. I DO want difficulty, I don`t care how frustrating it is to the "average" player, charge me extra to make up for the loss...
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Joined: 6/22/05
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
LOL, I get it, you think Ryzom is a sand box but you personally do not like it, you should have said that earlier instead of saying BG, LOL ROFL, sorry man every time I think of it I laugh is a sand box.
Its not that I don't like it. I played for three months, not something I do if there is not some level of enjoyment. But they are very vwey limited on each and every sandbox feature.
The game is incredible limiting. For a themepark that is barely acceptable. For a sandbox Imo ir isn't acceptable.
Very limited armor
All crafting is the same. From gear to weons to rings. The exact sme thing.
All mellee the same
All magic thr same.
No building at all.
very little economy
Only outposts owned by a guild for ownership.
An incredibly limiting sandbox
Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.
Bah that was posted on my phone. Too many spelling errors
Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.
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Joined: 3/28/07
op:gw2 is a hard mmo!pphi brain puzzle hunting alone will keep you entertained for month(if they stay like they are(level 15 ish)since this is arenanet we re talking about here ,highly unlikly the phi brain puzzle area will stay static .and eve wwhen they do hope that your area is empty because if you are doing a phi brain puzzle area and it is close enough from the ground not to die you can be sure respawn rate is ballistic at minimum.i know i died a feww time in surprise because i had killed an ice golem and suddenly everything spawn at an insane pace ,i am like wtf.and when i die at bottom i see the group coming to my zone (10 player)aahhh that why respawn quickenend soo much lol!in my view gw2 is a true mmo!
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Joined: 8/22/10
MMORPGs these days are like footraces where all of your opponents are drooling savages. It's depressing just to do. The stupidly easy content, completely unenjoyable and formulated, why would anyone think this is a good idea? It seems like you're working towards something but what? If a game isn't fun you put it down. Classic WoW was fun, classic EQ was fun. Both were built on the idea that players were playing to enjoy and experience the world. Building an MMORPG like a tiered pyramid with the early game here and the end game there is designing by numbers not by thought. Developers these days don't seem to understand the history of MUDs and MMOS. The 'end game' was just an indulgence for a very worldly playerbase. Never has a good MMORPG been designed with the end game in mind, not EQ, EQ2, FF XI, or WoW.
I agree about the hard RPG. In fact, with spoiler sites these days, MMORPGs need to be harder than ever, employing randomization in addition to the old tricks. That they aren't is a lack of good developers.
This is beyond wishful thinking, though. There will never be another good MMORPG. It's been, what, 7 years since WoW and EQ2? The failure of Vanguard was the nail in the coffin. If you've played Diablo III you will get a pretty good idea of the state of RPGs today. Games like that make modern WoW look good. These are dark, dark times indeed. The glory days of MMORPGs were far too short for most of us. I would have been playing non-stop back then had I known how things would turn out. 5 dozen RPGs today and every one of them is the damn same. Compare that to AC, UO, EQ, DAOC.
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Joined: 12/19/07
Originally posted by Salahudin
I agree. For a very long time I had three paid SWG accounts, because the game had only one slot per account. $45 per month and I didn't even blink.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
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Joined: 9/23/12
Meh, After i quit SWG pre-cu i was never really happy with any mmo's. I played WoW for a while but it was pretty boring. DarkFall released and i fell in love, but it had WAy too many underlying problems so i left it. Kinda as if i was dating Andriana Lima and after all the foreplay i pull off her panties and shes rockin a solid slong, Kind of a bummer.
...Annyyywhooo I'm looking forward to
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Joined: 8/15/07
Then and now......What I fell in love with, is not what we have now.
A short story of what was :
My first mmo was World of Warcraft. I had no one to talk to or ask questions about the game. In fact I don't think I had ever talked to another gamer in my lifetime. I had no idea what to expect. In fact the guy at my local EB Games store tried to talk me down on a high end PC game because of Video card and ram issues. I ignored his advice and did the minimum up grades to get my computer ready for WoW.
Well, after purchase and loading Vanilla WoW. I was amazed that other real people were on my screen. I was on the island of Teldrassil and made my way to the level 4 area called Dolanaar. It seemed like forever to reach a single level because of both leveling was slower, and I had no clue, and I guess you could add I did not even care what level I was, I was that intrigued.
Anyway, living in Dolanaar was like a dream. This is where I made some friends and learned how to spell :). Since leveling was wayyyy slow, I met others and we were in this area for days if not weeks. Even the players I have not chatted with I would remember seeing day after day. I REALLY FELT LIKE I WAS IN A COMMUNITY.
World of Warcraft was somewhat new and it only had the basic features. None of that mattered anyway, I was hooked on immersion of the zone and COMMUNITY !!!....We were like a family.
Moving ahead a little, I reached about level 22 and had a friends list of about fifteen people. Around then, I was questing in South Shore when I got a /tell invite from a stranger asking if I would like to go to Shadowfang Keep....I like what ?...well, ok. Next thing I know I was in a group of five running across the land of unknown with out a clue. We reached my first instance, went in and I got my group killed twice. It's obvious I got yelled at, and I was scratching my head as to why !!. Well, things just stopped right their and group members began asking me if I were new. We chatted, and they explained how to play. No auto kicking, in fact that was out of the question for the group. THEY EXPLAINED EVERYTHING, and after that we worked like a well oiled group. I knew my place as a Rogue. At the end I had four new friends. They even told me to need the nice dagger at the end....We stayed friends, and I ran many dungeons after that.
Now the point of all this :
Sure it was my first love, but that was not it !!!!!........It was more about community, in a low featureless mmo. WE MADE OUR OWN FUN........Guild Wars 2 is not like this. SWTOR is not like this, The Panda Bear thing is not like this. You could argue that players are not like that anymore, this is true. But come on....Developers are wayyyyy more responsible for the non social experience we have now.
1) easy, no dependence
2) auto group features
3) chain quest and cinematic
4) personal stories
5) cross realm crap
6) Kick-a-buddy feature
How many friends do you have on your friends list in GW2 ?........WHAT IN THE HELL HAPPENED !!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by delete5230
What happened depends who you ask, but can take wow since thats your first game.
#1. People foreign to mmorpg have a hard time getting started in the game.
Blizz: Make the first levels a lot easier.
#2. People started to talk about how the game started at cap:
Blizz: Let's make levelling a lot quicker
#3. People complain that its hard to get groups for quests..
Blizz: Let's remove group quests
#4. People complain that it takes too much time to find people for dungeons.
Blizz: let's create a dungeon finder.
#5. People wants to see raid content but don't want to be part of a raid group
Blizz: Let's create a raid finder.
The effect is what you see in dungeon finders, people that cares about quick loot and there is little to no socializing in dungeons. If someone makes a mistake you kick them, and the game finds you a replacement. All the tools and current gameplay has removed the need for social interactions, and online games needs the social aspect to be interesting for more than three months
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Although most people would disagree I feel a true MMO should'nt a themepark but a sandbox with PvP. I just feel that themeparks are glorified multiplayer games rather than true virtual worlds - which is something I feel MMOs should be. However the domination of themeparks shows that I am in a minority.

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Originally posted by delete5230
I know exactly how you feel, even Vanilla WOW was a huge improvement over the communities I find in more modern MMO's.
I've given up pugging anymore, not worth the anxiety of screaming arses and getting kicked for making a mistake because you didn't learn the fights back in beta.
People call it nostaligia, but the communities back prior to 2006 were more forgiving, more helpful and more friendly. Things have definitely changed for the worse and your only real survival technique is to find a good group of guild mates to hang with to insulate you from the rest of the mostly broken community.
People don't believe me in this, but right now EVE has one of the best communities out there, once you learn the ground rules and how to integrate yourself into it. (I've had better conversations with pirates who killed me than those in recent MMO's)
In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
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Joined: 8/15/07
Originally posted by Kyleran
Next week I have to go to Germany for a month, when I come home I may give EVE another try. I know the learning curve is hard, and never gave in much of a chance with the trial.
So its a toss up between EVE and trying one a World of Warcraft free realm sites or both :)
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Joined: 10/10/03
Sorry but the idea that todays locust gameplayers go back to MMO's they have played is making me laugh. How many players here go back to a MMO they have not played for a few months? Todays players are locusts, they land at launch, eat all the content and are gone in two to three months. This behaviour is a result of design changes but feeds back on itself to ensure the "polished for launch but little end game" MMO model remains the only game in town.
And remember there are a lot of old school types on here and I still recon very few will say they do. How many of the Facebook generation do you think are playing games their mates moved on from two months back?
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Joined: 10/04/12
Ive been reading this forum and im glad we see this topic risen. Very good questions and points.
I have played UO (Im a Ultima Online fan myself), Shadowbane, WOW and Iam playing GW2 (thou im not THAT excited)
Someone mentioned Shadowbane etc, if there would be a sequel etc. Look what I just found:
http://www.jeuxonline.info/actualite/35170/changyou-ressuscite-shadowbane (translate from french to read) and check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowbane ( i didnt knew the MUD creator have design this game, MUD was a great game...)
Anyone remember MUD? Lol, that was a HARDCORE GAME!
ps: I really wish UO was back with better graphics, I dearly wish that. I miss this game so much...
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Joined: 2/09/06
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Thanks a lot for this.
I registered for the BETA.
As for the OP, I tend to agree. I've been let down by every MMO I've played for the past few years, sadly culminating in my resubbing to World of Warcraft or Dark Age of Camelot. But, even WoW has become a completely different game from when I really enjoyed it. The game is too easy.
I'd be, at least temporarily, happy with a Vanilla or Burning Crusade official server in WoW. (I don't like playing on EMU servers) It really grinds my gears that Blizzard is too greedy to even consider this. I feel like I supported a game, that they changed beyond recognition. It doesn't seem fair, but that's life.


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Tom Dugger | CEO / Scout Executive
May 2015
The Scout Family
Family is an important influence on our youth and we believe in involving the family in the Scouting program. The Scouting program has makes an impact on the fabric of our community and the tie that binds us all together, "family". Please know that Dan Beard Council takes its responsibility to family very seriously. The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare youth to make ethical and moral choices over the course of their lifetime by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law. Values like service and patriotism, leadership and good character. All of which builds stronger individuals and stronger families.
Scouting provides young men the opportunity to try new things, provide service to others, build self-confidence, and reinforce ethical standards. These opportunities not only help them when they are young, but also carry forward into their adult lives -- improving their relationships, their work lives, their family lives, and the values by which they live.
The word family has such a connection to it. Family, tribe, clan, group, network - call it what you will, it's us - all of us! Mothers, Fathers, Uncles, Aunts, brothers, sisters, and cousins, old and young, generations that are linked together who are making a difference and supporting one another. Everything we've experienced along the way has played its part in shaping us. And as we reflect on the memories of our childhood, the ones who loved us, the friends we made, and the things we learned; we honor those in our lives who taught and encouraged us. Those who supported us a part of their family. Scouting is a family of ONE and Scouting works to strengthen families. It connects a family with the activities they do together. It creates a parental bond that is different than other activities and sports because families participate together. It connects your community through local community service projects and by bringing local families together. Scouting connects your country through patriotism, united service, and Duty to God. Scouting connects countries to one another through International Jamborees, the World Friendship Fund, and Scouting foreign exchange programs. Scouting truly connects the WORLD as a FAMILY. There are many different types of family structures in today's world. Scouting is a support to all types of families as well as to organizations to which families belong and I believe that the Scout family offers one of the strongest, most durable forms of partnership.
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Each year at this time we begin to sign up for Summer Camp. At all levels of our program, camping is Scouting's eternal call. It is in the outdoors that Scouting works best. The Founder of Scouting, Robert Baden- Powell understood this very well. The very first Scout Camp was a weeklong event on a small island in Poole Harbor England. From this experience, the Scouting adventure began. All Scout Camps trace their lineage to Brownsea Island. The formula that Robert Baden- Powell created over 100 years ago still works today -- fun and adventure under the open sky, campfire stories and the unforgettable experience of a week with your friends.
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Abridged Daily News Columnists
I have been researching a story, doing interviews and all that good stuff most of the day. But I've holed up in a coffee shop to bring you Abridged Daily News Columnists!
Ronnie Polaneczky: I actually said "good idea!" when I saw Polaneczky had written about selling her gold and getting cash. Selling gold has exploded in popularity (or at least Google popularity) since 2006 and the local news has noticed. But is Polaneczky the only columnist who has actually sold her own gold? Right: Who cares!
The column is standard stuff with a cute anecdote at the end. It's a nice touch, though, that one of the places she goes to sell her old jewelry is a gold dealer who set up at Hampton Inn in Bensalem. Right across from the Woodhaven Mall!
Stu Bykofsky: Do I have a rule that I don't abridge stories about bureaucratic tussles in animal control? I do now, but I'd really encourage you to study the lead carefully:
Were all of the animals really innocent? Are we to assume none of these dogs assaulted people, stole bones or sold drugs on the side?
I get that Bykofsky really cares about animals, and I'm sure he's heartbroken. I know he's also hoping to paint the animals as sympathetically as possible. I really don't think we need innocent to modify animals there, though. Of course they're innocent! They're animals! I know: Whatever. But I think it's detrimental to the column. It's not that it's bad writing; columns are most convincing when the writer is clear and clean and makes solid points. Let the story carry the column! I dream of a world where no one in the media uses the phrase "innocent animals."
Or maybe stuff like that resonates. And Bykofsky has won a lot of awards for writing about animals. I dunno.
John Baer: Baer interviews Allyson Schwartz, who says she will maybe run for Arlen Specter's U.S. Senate seat. Baer thinks otherwise. Hm. Analysis, opinion, and the worst modifier I can find is "tough statewide run." Excellent.
Michael Smerconish: Hmm. Smerconish is praising CNBC's Rick Santelli for complaining about "losers' mortgages" and yelling, "President Obama, are you listening?" on air. Sigh. I'm probably wrong. Going shamelessly over-the-top works. Anyway, the American populace is suddenly concerned about rich people stealing their money. Eh.


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I just wanted to take a moment to wallow in the unique feeling of Mother Love.
You know that moment when a face is presented to you, full of concentration and babbling intensity, but you simply aren't listening because you are overwhelmed with the pangs of love?
That irresistible, stronger-than-heroin need to take the small, soft cheeks in your hand and kiss them. Over and over. To inhale their scent and drink in their unblemished perfection.
The times when that small face, so totally unaware of its beauty and impact, tauntingly close to your own, just simply HAS to be touched. Why is it that the softness of those cheeks and the enormity of those eyes have the combined power to destroy a mother's reason?
It is the warm nuzzle into that neckline and those tiny arms entangling you which brings you metaphorically and literally to your knees.
What I wouldn't do for my Faces Made For Kissing.


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Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
I'm looking at the DW 6000 series, Ludwig Atlas Classic series, and the Gibraltar stuff, but I'm not real sure which way to go without putting my hands on them. Of course, I can't find any of this locally at the moment (but I'm still looking.)
Does anyone have thoughts on these three options? Of course, I'm after lightweight, but also something that will last a while and not wear out quickly.
Any opinions are welcome!
PS - I own a combination of single-braced Yamaha stands now and love them (600 and 700 series.) They are light and work well. I'm just looking for another set and want to try something different.
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
From what I've seen, the Gibraltar ones are the lightest. I have 3 of the flat stands in my set up.
I almost went with the Ludwig ones--just to match the kit--but Gibraltar was easier to find and matched the rest of my gear. I'm a little OCD in that respect.
I didn't even consider the DW ones because I believe they are over-built and over-priced, as most of DW stuff is.
The Ludwigs may be the most versatile since they can overlap each other. But the Gibraltar ones are probably the lightest and have held up to a couple years of gigging.
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Do you happen to have the flat-base Gibraltar snare and hi-hat stands too? I see they came out with a new version of the hi-hat stand and I'm curious if the previous version had issues or what.
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I have a standard hi-hat stand, the 5607, along with the 9606 Ultra-Adjust snare stand.
I'm not sure what issues the flat hi-hat stand may have had...or has. Stability, maybe?
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I'm kinda OCD about my hardware matching too, which is why I have all Yamaha stuff at the moment. The Yamaha stuff kicks butt and I have no intention of replacing it, but I want another full set to keep in my truck for rehearsals and gigs.
The Gibraltar stuff sure is priced right compared to the others.
Gibraltar also has a telescoping hi-hat stand that interests me alot.
Is the 5607 hi-hat stand working out well for you? Is it light and sturdy enough for a not-so-hard hitter like myself?
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I have been gigging the Gibraltar flat base stuff since I got back stateside. If you have seen some of my videos I really hit hard and no issues. I also have a DW flush base stand.
What I prefer about the Gibraltar stands is the portion which holds the cymbal. The DW limited the amount of freedom my cymbals could move. So I removed that part from my DW stand and replaced it with the Gibraltar style.
The hi hat stand from the Gibraltar setup is great and offers good response and stability. I also use the snare stand from the Gibraltar setup to hold my 12" rack tom. My only complaint with the stands are with the straight tube stand. I would prefer to have the boom stands only because they can serve as both a straight or boom stand.
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Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
I use the Gibraltar flat hardware and it is lightweight and perfectly stable. Wholly recommended
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Hey Sarge.
I have a full set of the Ludwig Atlas Classic flat based stands, and a full set of the Gibraltar flat based stands, both including hi hat stands. I have a couple of the DW flat based stands too. Guess I a pretty flat based guy. :)
I say you can't go wrong with any of it, it's all good.
I have had the Gibby hi hat stand for quite a while and I must have the 'newer one' because I never understood why others had issues with it.
Here's a few of my observations :
- Yes the DW stands are pricier and a bit heavier...but well done as usual. If you like the DW cymbal tilter lever thingy, then these are for you.
- The Ludwig stands have the reversible rubber feet so you can 'weave' the legs on top of each other. Can't say that I had a problem with the normal rubber feet, and in fact I paid $5 for the normal rubber feet so that the hi hat stand would fold up more compactly.
- I had to get out my tube cutter and cut down the upper tube on my Ludwig hi hat stand; it was too tall and wouldn't go down to a comfortable height. I determined that this was a flaw in mine with the help of another member here on Drumerworld....he made some careful measurements. I could have returned mine but my local store had no more stock so I opted to fix it myself. I also opted for a shorter (DW actually) clutch rod.
- The wing nuts on the top of some of my Ludwig cymbal stands don't thread very smoothly. Small point I know, just noticed this.
- The Gibraltar stands are the lightest of the bunch, (not by much)...but I have had one (of three) Gibraltar cymbal stand starting to show premature signs of wear. Dents, and a very small bit of rust from some chrome pitting. Overall, the chroming is probably best on the Ludwigs.
- I like that the Gibraltar cymbal stands' cymbal tilter can be 'offset' on the left or right of the center post. Kinda hard to explain, look at it closely.
All three cymbal stands have gear-less infinite tilters.
I had the Ludwig Atlas Classic bass drum pedal as well - the one with no base plate - but returned it 'cause I didn't like the feel so much and I despise pedals that make you use a drum key to attach them to the hoop.
Again, I don't think there is a wrong choice here. I pointed out a few small things about each because all three brands are very similar in quality and function....you can find the DW stuff for a good price if you look hard enough. Ultimately, the small things that appeal to you will be what will sway you in a particular direction.
Let us know which way you go and why!
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
Have all three brands in FB gear.
For the Hi Hat stand, Ludwig Atlas hands down. Sturdy, comfortable, doesn't wobble or sway. Love it.
DW fb's other than their hat stand is GREAT. Going on 5+ years, nothing but great use.
Memory locks work great on these too. Tilter is same as on the heavier stands.
Gibraltar's snare, and cymbal stands are really nice. Snare stand might still have the plastic tightener for the basket, but it's a toothless basket, so that kinda makes up for it. Brake Tilter works great. Felts and the cymbal sleeve are sturdy, & the wing nuts are comfortable, and totally smooth working.
Ludwig's Atlas FB stuff is sturdy as heck, and everything is easily adjustable and smooth on what I have (full set, straight and booms, hat, snare). The wing nuts are really smooth, and comfortable in my hands. The FB snare stand works great for a tom, doesn't choke it.
Tilter works like a charm.
The feet are nice for the overlapping feature, but I have all mine "up", which brings them over any cords that are always on the floor when setting up. It's a very convenient feature.
One other thing about the Ludwig Atlas stuff is, it's being branched off into components now too. That may, or may not apply to you, but with gear, you never know what might strike your fancy down the road, as far as the OCD "matching" of gear most of us have.
Gibraltar, Ludwig DW, it's all good sturdy stuff, and other than the DW 6000 hat stand which sucks (IMO), you wouldn't go wrong with any of it. Just stay away from the DW hat stand.
My band Artificial Agent here: http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116637
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
When I was checking out the flat based cymbal stand hardware a few months ago, I could only check the DW and Ludwig gear. There was only about a dollar or two difference between both their boom stands and their straight stands. I wish I could have molded the features from both companies into one.
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Yeah, the feet on DW, & add the memory locks to the Ludwig....
I can buy those feet for my DW stuff, but, I haven't coughed up the dough for 4 or 5 stands worth... They do work great though.
Gibraltar's 7/8 memory locks work (and fit right), but there isn't one to fit the top tube on the straight stand for the Ludwig. Some people don't care, but I WANT memory locks on my stands.
Ludwig's tilter is smooth, and being able to move it around is cool when the height is just right, but having the DW tilter "in line" with the tube is something I like better, and I like the space adjustment thing. I like some swing, but I don't like the cymbal to flop around. I switched out the top felt on the Ludwig stands and used a thicker one to solve that issue, but, some people don't even use felts, or don't mind a lot of swing in cymbals.
No product is perfect or has "everything", so 'ya just fiddle around to make it work the way you want.
The Ludwig stands are about a year old, the DW's are 4-5 years old, and both are great for my use--and are light!
Oh, and a 24" cymbal used to crash A LOT, and no worries from either brand :-)
My band Artificial Agent here: http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116637
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
I've actually owned all three at one time (the Ludwig's just recently) and they're all good - if you like that sort of thing. The hi-hats all leave something to be desired because the physics of a tripod-based stand is just more stable than a flat-based one.
In fact, you may recall why I'm no longer interested in the flat-based scene: a stand was easily knocked over with a cymbal on it (thankfully, on grass). I have discovered that the tripod is the way to go, and I found that in the lightest Yamaha 600-series stands. And these Yamaha's are basically as light as the flat-based stuff, but you get the added stability of the tripod.
If I were in situations where my stuff never moved around, I'd be all over the flat-based stuff. But when you set up in one area, then move it to another area, to be moved back after you're done playing, the stability becomes tantamount.
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
I have used Gibraltar Flat Base Hardware for years and I have never had an issue.
Gibraltar has recently improved their Flat Base Hi-Hat stand. (check it out on YouTube)
I have never even come close to having a cymbal stand topple over as Bo stated.
The stand bases have double set screws to prevent them from loosening. (I don't even use the extra safety screws to double lock my stand bases)
The stand bases form a wide stance that is sturdy and reliable.
I kind of like old drums:)
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On the other hand, when I did the next gig with the Yamaha 600 stuff, when a kid bumped into my stuff (while I was playing) my cymbals didn't move. The tripod base eliminates the "top heavy" situation, I think.
I liked the simplicity of the DW and Gibraltar ones. The Ludwig has this cymbal tilter that can go anywhere and I didn't like having that much adjustability. In fact, there was a couple of times I smashed my finger because I wasn't prepared for the tilter to go in an unexpected direction ;)
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
I have to agree with Bo. I own 2 Gibraltar flat base stands, 1 straight and 1 boom. I have had the same issues with tipping on the boom stand when I tried to put my ride over my bass drum. 20" El Sabor ride too, nothing heavy. I remedied this by reducing the length of the boom arm and positioning it parallel with one of the legs. I have had no such issues with the straight stand although I don't gig anywhere near as much as Bo does.
I do love the reduced weight. I had been using a Tama road pro that I got off Craigslist and the weight was quite the pain in the posterior.
I'm actually thinking of switching to some single braced Yamaha stuff so hit me up if you're looking to trade for some gear.
Classy grip all day.
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
I use the Gibraltar fb straight stands, three of them, and the hi-hat stand. I haven't heard of any new version of it but i bought mine a year ago.
All the stands are very sturdy, I mount a 12"tom off of one of them with no issues (just align one leg with the tom) and they work well. I gig them every week. The hi-hat stand works great too. I'm gonna order the snare stand soon too. The hardware is relatively light, though I was hoping they would be even lighter.
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Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
As Cleforo and others have stated, Make sure that the load is placed over a leg when setting the cymbal stands. I positioned the stand legs under the load of the boom arm for my ride cymbal. I also counterbalanced the weight of the ride by adding a clamp type cymbal mount to the boom stand for a crash. That adds even more stability to the boom stand. Use design to your advantage when setting up your kit.
I kind of like old drums:)
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
Ok I need that new Gibraltar hi hat stand! I thought the old one was cool but the new one looks sweet!!
Poison Anthem
Session Work
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Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
What do you mean by that sentence above exactly?
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I just want another full setup to keep in the car at all times and was wanting something different. I do like the look of the flat-base stands and there's always a chance that whatever I buy will end up staying home, while the Yamaha stuff goes out.
Plus, I just like new gear and am pretty satisfied with my drums, cymbals, and pedals at the moment. Need something else to want. ha ha
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I kinda want to go with three straight stands on this new setup, though.
I'll try to find a pic.
EDIT - Can't seem to find a pic at the moment. Also, the boom arm on the Yamaha stuff is smooth and I had to use a Dremel to grind up a spot for the Puppy Bone to grab. Works great!
Last edited by SgtThump; 06-25-2013 at 03:30 PM.
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
I think I can picture what you are saying. I have attached a picture and circled the area in question. I could see by using a puppy bone I might be able to clamp onto the other end of the boom circled and put a crash up there.
Poison Anthem
Session Work
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
I should have pics, but I can't seem to find any.
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Found some pics!
1 is with the longer DW arm and clamp and the other is with the Puppy Bone.
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I've used the DW's and more recently the Ludwig Atlas flat-based stands -- they're both great... I will say I think the Ludwig models have been a little more durable long term. The DW's don't seem to take the abuse as well - though they maybe a tiny bit lighter in weight.
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The "branching out" is the accessories they have, like the 2 different cymbal arms that attach to ft legs, the bass drum mounted ride cymbal attachment. Stuff like that. I saw some stuff at the Chicago show in May. Some is out, some is available in July, so it's coming up.
They may show pics in the Atlas section on the Ludwig site.
I only had a couple Gibraltar FB straights, and the snare stand, and they're sturdy.
I actually just used the Gib FB straight stands to make other things out of them, so I never used them as a stand. The snare stand was used as a snare stand.
Like I said, I use my 24 as a crash ride, it's not super low and I crash it a lot. It never moves on either the Ludwig or DW stand.
My band Artificial Agent here: http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116637
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SgtThump - Thanks for posting the great pictures. I will try out some of those ideas.
Poison Anthem
Session Work
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
Two Ludwig accessories are in the catalog called Aerodyne Scissor Lifts, long and short.
Two tilter clamps also.
The 2013 catalog is downloadable (wouldn't attach) from the Ludwig site.
Pics of the new Gull Wing style legs would probably be on their Facebook page, along with the new rail mount deal.
The spurs are pretty dang cool, sort of look like the Dunnett/Ayotte spurs with that bullet looking end. The Ludwig spurs will adjust to lift the front of the drum up a LOT.
All this stuff mounts off the Atlas tom/leg mount. Kevin Packard said those mounts would be available in July.
They also had a BD ride cymbal mount that was (if I can explain it right) one of those boom arm holding pieces (the round thing the boom arm goes in), attached a tube with a height adjustment, then the top section of a straight tilter. Basically the middle, and top sections of the straight FB stand with a clamp at the bottom to clamp onto any 1/2" rod coming out of the Atlas tom mount.
Sorry to derail the Flat Base topic...
Airborne, is that boom stand wobbly with the cymbal arm out that far?
I use my FB's just as straights, not sure I'd trust a 24 on a FB boom.
When we play outdoor gigs, I bring the lighter tubed DW stands. They are lighter than the regular DW stands, but just as sturdy.
Awesome Sonor kit BTW!
Edit...forget the blah blah on the explanation I gave... here's a video! The stuff I was talking about is quick in the beginning, but at 58 seconds it shows the stuff pretty close up. The Supralite 6.5 was my favorite sounding snare of the show!
My band Artificial Agent here: http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116637
Last edited by KarlCrafton; 06-26-2013 at 02:54 AM. Reason: video added!
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Mad props to Karl on this subject as well, he's the resident hardware mad scientist here on DW.
Given your setup, (love the green sparkle Ludwigs) I think I'll agree with Karl - and say you have no choice but to get the Ludwig Atlas Classic set.
Do yourself a favor and order some of the 'normal' smaller rubber feet, they will come in handy, especially for the hi-hat stand.
Good luck!
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So..... Check it out.
I ended up finding a local store that had some Atlas Classic hardware in stock. The short story is that they let me open the boxes and check everything out before purchasing. I ended up working a deal with them (just a few bucks off, nothing killer) for the hi-hat stand, straight cymbal stand, boom cymbal stand, and snare stand.
I bought the package and went straight to rehearsal. I used the stands at rehearsal, but that's the only time I've spent with them so far.
A few VERY early observations are:
- The snare stand is much more heavy-duty than I expected. It almost doesn't fit in with the "Classic" term IMO.
- The legs on the snare stand made it impossible to use my double-pedal, which kinda stinks. I rarely use a double, but had it with me last night. I still need to try different things to see if I can make this work.
- The big rubber feet make the stands not fold up as nicely and they seem kinda silly to me, but I get how they're useful to some/most folks.
- The stands are as light as I hoped, so that's great!
- The hi-hat stand feels very nice under my foot for whatever reason. I really enjoyed playing on it!
- My snare (Acrolite Reissue) sounds better than ever on this snare stand. Even the bass player noticed it sounded better. Crazy!
- The boom stand is almost the same weight as the straight stand (not using a scale). It seems a little heavier, but it's hardly noticeable. I liked that!
They are quality stands and I'm happy I got them! Unfortunately for me, I won't really get much time with them until this weekend, since I have things going on every night this week. But so far, I'm digging them!
Thanks everyone!
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Also, I've been using a baseball bat bag for my lightweight stuff and the handle ripped right after getting the Ludwig stands last night. LOL
I made a quick stop to Lowes to see if they had any bags that would work. I wasn't sure if the 20" tool bag would work, but it did and it's FANTASTIC! These bags are made for carrying really heavy tools and I gotta say it's built better than any hardware or even military bag I've owned. Everything is reinforced through the roof and things fit perfectly! (see pic)
Also, and I find this curious, notice how the hi-hat stand I just bought has different feet than the rest of the Atlas Classic stands I bought. The pics I've seen always show the hi-hat stand with the big feet, but mine has smaller feet. Maybe this is an early one or something? I may email Ludwig to find out.
Has anyone else seen that before?
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Doesn't appear to be a way to email Ludwig support directly, which absolutely sucks and is pretty much ridiculous in the year 2013.
Also, I don't see any other stand on the Ludwig site that has the feet that came on my hi-hat stand (from the pro, classic, or standard lines.) I wonder what that's all about?
EDIT - Page 5 of the 2013 Ludwig Catalog that Bermuda linked to above shows a Blue/Olive Oyster wrap kit with the Atlas Classic hi-hat stand with these feet, but that's the only pic I've seen. http://www.ludwig-drums.com/literatu...%20Catalog.pdf
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Congrats, that's awesome !! The stands are great and the bag is even better!
I'm gonna go get me a bag just like that at my local Home Depot for my Ludwig FB stands.
See folks, you get back what you put in on this site...
Regarding your hihat stand feet, Ludwig started using the smaller feet just on this stand because it doesn't fold up very nicely or compactly with the larger reversible feet. Try swapping yours, you'll see what I mean.
See my post #32 above. I actually bought the smaller feet for mine from my dealer , $5.
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I'd like to add a third Atlas Classic stand and I "think" it would fit fine, but it may be tight.
I see what you mean now by the smaller feet. I wasn't quite following ya at first. So now the hi-hats all come with these smaller feet? That's cool and a great idea! I wouldn't mind having them for the snare stand too.
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Cool, thanks I'll look out for a bag that's at least 20" long.
I have a few 'home improvement' mega stores to try if Home Depot doesn't have something.
That bag is a great option for ANY light hardware setup. Worthy of its own thread.
So many drummers are desperate to 'lighten the load' so to speak.
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
Glad it's worked out for ya!
Yeah, that hat stand is really nice feeling. Those smaller feet look pretty nice too. Mine has the larger feet. I have them in the "low" position, & the cymbal stand legs go over top of the HH leg.
I'll have to get a set of the smaller feet. I don't really need them, but if they fold up closer to the tube, the less chance of "something" ever happening to the legs in the case (besides, I haven't bought anything in a long time :-) )
Having the feet on the cymbals stands get the legs of the floor, and over mic cables that always are on the stage. This makes them more like regular tripod stands in that regard compared to my DW FB stands.
I've just used the A Classic snare stand to hold the tom, and the small contact points on the basket really open the drums sound (and YES! the Acro Classic is a great sounding snare!)
The only beef I have with that snare stand is that it should be a multi-angle tilt, & not just tilt in one direction. THAT part about it is a little too "Classic". Seems like a multi angled basket be a given these days too, with all the options every little piece of gear has now.
I do like the tom flat, but just a little tilt when I use this stand would be nice.
For my snare it's just not that convenient as far as leg placement either, so I use my Pearl snare stand.
The Atlas is sturdy enough, but the way it has to tilt isn't good for my use with leg placements
My band Artificial Agent here: http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116637
Re: Flat-Base Hardware - DW vs. Ludwig vs. Gibraltar
If I get time this weekend, I'm gonna try my rack tom in it to see what happens. I haven't been happy with my rack tom in my other snare stands. It sounds best hanging in a RIMS style mount, but that's a little too loose and floppy with a 13" tom and smaller lighter weight stands.
Dude, I can't stop spending money. I'd say buying and selling crap is as fun to me as playing. Yes, that's sad, but it's true. :)
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