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Lisa Fullam October 4, 2011 - 9:45pm
Well, the times they are a'changin' in Phoenix. Like those in most US dioceses, Catholics in Phoenix have routinely received communion under both species, but now Bishop Olmsted is putting a stop to THAT. Announcing a forthcoming decree, the diocese's Communications Office indicates that the cup will be shared with hoi polloi only on the very limited occasions mandated by the new GIRM or specially permitted by the bishop (patronal feasts, e.g.), and sometimes not even then, depending on whether the appropriate conditions for doing so are met.Why? Several reasons are given for keeping the laity from the cup:1. The risk of profanation by, e.g., spillage or swilling. (Swilling? Really? Is this an issue in Phoenix?)2. It's not required for salvation to receive under both species. It's just a fuller sign of Holy Communion. (Um...isn't that a good thing?) 3. It will make special feast days more special, since only then will the cup be offered. (Of course, that's exactly what some Protestant churches say when explaining why they only have Communion monthly or quarterly...)4. Most Catholics in the world don't receive under both species, so it's an act of solidarity with the world Church. (odd--I'd think that a better approach might be to help see to it that other Catholics in the world DO have Communion under both species,)5."In normal circumstances, only priests and deacons are to distribute Holy Communion; when both forms of Communion are used frequently, "extraordinary" ministers of Holy Communion are disproportionately multiplied." Ah!! Now we're getting to it. The Q&A reiterates this point:
As highlighted in the GIRM, the practical need to avoid obscuring the role of the priest and the deacon as the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion by an excessive use of extraordinary (or lay) ministers might in some circumstances constitute a reason for limiting the distribution of Holy Communion under both species.
In fact, this is why the cup may not be offered to the laity even on the limited occasions mentioned in the GIRM:
For example, let's say a pastor deemed it appropriate to have Holy Communion under both species on the feast of Corpus Christi, but his particular situation would necessitate a dozen extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion. While he and a deacon would be the only ordinary ministers, it is common sense that he would not be able to judge the necessary conditions as met.
Let me be clear--I've been at Masses where it was unwise to offer Communion under both species, and so we shared only the host. But to take the cup away from the laity of an entire diocese?The backstory goes like this: in 2001, an indult was granted that allowed for much wider reception of the Eucharist under both species in the US. That indult expired in 2005 and was not renewed. While the 2001 indult clearly recognized the bishop's authority in deciding how widespread the practice of receiving in both forms was to be, the language of the request made a clear and beautiful case for the cup being offered to the laity:
Since, however, by reason of the sign value, sharing in both eucharistic species reflects more fully the sacred realities that the Liturgy signifies, the Church in her wisdom has made provisions in recent years so that more frequent eucharistic participation from both the sacred host and the chalice of salvation might be made possible for the laity in the Latin Church....today the Church finds it salutary to restore a practice, when appropriate, that for various reasons was not opportune when the Council of Trent was convened in 1545. (32) But with the passing of time, and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the reform of the Second Vatican Council has resulted in the restoration of a practice by which the faithful are again able to experience "a fuller sign of the Eucharistic banquet."
But not in Phoenix any more.
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To say that this is sad is such an understatement. This complements his attitude and action with St. Joseph's Hospital. However, since this affects the whole diocese, it will be interesting to see the reaction of the clergy-- if they have the " " to speak up. Will his fellow bishops in the state or other places comment or copy? Keep us posted... as our alienation deepens.
One bishop will NEVER criticize another, so there goes that hope. Olmstead sounds like one of the greatest minds the tenth century ever created.
Several reasons are given for keeping the laity from the cup_________________OK. But what are the reasons that the Precious Blood should be offered at every Mass, in addition to the Body of Christ?
Let's see how this unfolds. This is a medieval act. We shall see how medieval Phoenix is.
<>Because Jesus said "drink this".There was an interesting discussion about this at Pray Tell too - here ..... http://www.praytellblog.com/index.php/2011/09/19/take-this-one-or-two-of... .... and here ..... http://www.praytellblog.com/index.php/2011/09/21/phoenix-qa-on-both-form...
Lisa, regarding your statement "The backstory goes like this: in 2001, an indult was granted that allowed for much wider reception of the Eucharist under both species in the US. That indult expired in 2005 and was not renewed."The Foreword to the 2011 GIRM on the USCCB website says:"November 27, 2011, marks a significant date in the liturgical life of the Church in the United States as the Roman Missal, Third Edition, is introduced and put into use for the celebration of the Eucharist. Also included in this edition are two other valuable documents: The Universal Norms for the Liturgical Year and the Roman Calendar and the Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion under Both Kinds for the Dioceses of the United States of America, both of which also appear in front matter of the Roman Missal, Third Edition. Together with the GIRM these documents provide a comprehensive overview and instruction for the celebration of the Mass."http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/roman-missal/general-instruction... only version of the "Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion under Both KInds..." on the USCCB website is the 2001 document, here:http://old.usccb.org/romanmissal/girm-norms-en.shtmlDoes anyone have access to a printed copy of the Missal to check if the "Norms..." included there is still the 2001 version or there a newer version?Also the 2011 GIRM provides:281. Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it takes place under both kinds. For in this form the sign of the Eucharistic banquet is more clearly evident and clearer expression is given to the divine will by which the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as also the connection between the Eucharistic banquet and the eschatological banquet in the Kingdom of the Father.[104]283....In all that pertains to Communion under both kinds, the Norms for the Distribution and Reception of Holy Communion under Both Kinds in the Dioceses of the United States of America are to be followed (particularly nos. 27-54).
One of the telling aspects of this is that the bishop alleges problems, but he offers nothing positive in terms of a solution--not even a catechetical initiative, an instruction to his clergy or to Phoenix catechists. Yet another opportunity for the experience of grace is shut down.This is another imprudent example of the Hermeneutic of Subtraction. The logical end would be to end the celebration of the sacraments entirely, and then we would accomplish the goal: no profanation. The Lord Jesus would be pleased, no doubt.
We have completed the altar girls ban in the Phoenix Cathedral, .. there won't be any need for their mothers to cause an "excessive use of extraordinary (or lay) ministers' of the cup.[see above]. we are now working on how to back-seat the grandmas but still get our hands on their wills or trusts....Our data shows they out-live their husbands by almost 6 years.. This next step will need both charm and diplomacy. In case of questions, talking points for the Canadian snow birds will be available soon.
No one's concerned about disease?
281. Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it takes place under both kinds._____________OK, I'll take that as an aswer to my question, even if not intended to be -- Holy Communion has a fuller form AS A SIGN when it takes place under both kinds. But does it have a fuller form AS A SACRAMENT? Does offering Holy Communion under both species lead to a greater or lesser understanding of the Sacrament and of the graces it conveys?As a Sacrament, receiving the Precious Blood after consuming the Host adds nothing. The recipient does NOT get double the Jesus. He does NOT get twice the grace. In receiving the Host, the Body of Christ, the recipient receives the ENTIRETY of Jesus. In the Eucharistic Host, the recipient attains full and complete communion with the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus. You cannot get any more than the "full and complete" that you get with the Host.Does offering the Precious Blood on a routine basis lead to confusion on this point? Does offering this fuller form "as a sign" detract from people's proper understanding of the sacramental graces? If so, the sacramental graces themselves being far more important than the symbolic sign, then it takes away more than it adds, it harms more than it helps.
The recipient does NOT get double the Jesus. He does NOT get twice the grace. In receiving the Host, the Body of Christ, the recipient receives the ENTIRETY of Jesus. I should have added that, with the Host alone, the recipient does NOT get only half a Jesus.But I would put this entire controversy in the same box as the rad trads who seem to think that the Extraordinary Form of the Mass is somehow "better" or more "valid" than is the Ordinary Form. There too, they seem to think that the Real Presence of Jesus Christ is not wholly and completely there in the Blessed Sacrament, that His presence is defective or incomplete in some way.In either case, the Host alone or with the Precious Blood, in a EF Mass or in an OF Mass, the entirety of Jesus is received. The fullness of grace is conveyed. And to want "more" or to want "better," after having received all that Jesus is in the Host, is to be sorely confused and misinformed.As for what I think we should do -- If the bishop says "the Host only," then we should do the Host only. If the bishop says, "let's do both species," then we should do both. It is not for me to make that call. I'm merely a lowly servant. Whatever the bishops says, in communion with the See of Peter, is what we should do.
Bender--Where did you possibly get the idea that there were people claiming that to receive the host only is to receive half Jesus? I have checked several times and haven't seen that claim being made at all in either the post or comments. You did a very good job refuting something that no one said. As to the reason why Olmstead is wrong here, Crystal said so quite clearly and is a point you do not address: Jesus said so. Had Christ wanted to he could easily have instituted the Eucharist with bread alone. He did not, probably because we both eat and drink at meals and that commiseration is part and parcel of the sacrament. Would you invite someone to dinner, give them food and say "Only I get to drink though, sorry."? This is the silliness that ensues when we fail to pay attention to the significant nature of the sacraments. The graces are inseperable from the signs and to make a statement like "the sacramental graces themselves [are] far more important than the symbolic sign" (in itself a confusion of terms) as if one is there without the other sacramentally is to completely fail to understand how the sacraments operate.
This is so disappointing.
I recognize that the real issue seems to surround handling the use of extraordinary ministers, but I note that the primary reason given concerns the fear that the cup will be profaned. This reason strikes me as a bit odd, because I can't think as to why the cup is more likely to be profaned than the bread. In the past (recent and not at all recent), a lot of anxiety seemed to center on the profanation of the bread (whether from mice eating it, or from people shoving it into their pockets).
I have several thoughts on the matter (just like I have several thoughts on the bishops' removal of altar girls from service).On the one hand, there are times and places where the offering of communion under makes sense. One the other hand, the historical reason for why communion became limited to the species of bread, in medieval times, does not seem to apply today. It really seems to be a "push to the past" without any integral unity to the present, making for a museum rite. Pastorally, I wonder what this restriction would do for those who have celiac's disease? Will they still be offered communion under the species of wine?Spiritually, unless there is a good reason for it, I do not understand the "accept the bare minimum sign" as a good thing. It seems to give to the idea to do the bare minimum for anything - if spiritually it is ok to "just get by with the least possible" then everything else will flow from that spiritual condition into the daily lives of those who live under that sign. Do we want to encourage people to be the best, or "just whatever gets you by?"?It is one thing for someone to only receive under one species, it is another to go back to a medieval practice without the authentic medieval conditions which warranted it.
David Smith - about your question on disease Here's a statement from the Archdiocese of Boston from a couple of years ago during the swine flu epidemic. Although that was temporary, even now, the priest and the EMHCs continue to sanitize their hands with Purrell before distributing hosts. Q: Some Catholics have told me they always understood that the church believed that one could not get germs from Communion wine once it had been consecrated -- that the transubstantiation meant the wine could do no harm. Is that an understanding of the church, and how does this recommendation fit with that?A: Though this belief has never been officially or doctrinally stated by the Church, there are many Catholics who believe germs cannot be transmitted through a common cup. The Eucharist has often been described as a remedy, the medicine of immortality, because when we receive Holy Communion we are receiving Christ, the Paschal Lamb who died and now lives to take away our sins. This great mystery contains the whole spiritual wealth of the Church, and we revere the Eucharist as the Most Blessed Sacrament.The decision to temporarily discontinue the practice of distributing the Precious Blood from the chalice was a result of recent conversations with medical authorities and specialists in infectious disease, who believe that sharing a "common cup" can possibly spread communicable illness. We have taken this sensible step out of caution and concern for the health of our Catholic people. Our decision to temporarily discontinue this venerable practice does not diminish our reverence for the power of this great Sacrament.http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2009/10/eucharist.htm... is also an answer as to why catholics don't use individual communion cups.
In my experience, even where the chalice is offered, only a small percentage of the congregation--10% or so--avail themselves of it. I suspect that commenters are far more excited about this than ordinary Catholics are.
"In my experience, even where the chalice is offered, only a small percentage of the congregation10% or soavail themselves of it. "Thorin - my experience is that this varies pretty widely, parish by parish, and even mass by mass within a parish.My opinion is that this is a major pastoral mistake by Bishop Olmsted. Todd's "Hermeneutic of Subtraction" says it perfectly. I've been watching the Ken Burns "Prohibition" series airing on PBS this week. Taking a blessing away from people never works. They won't stand for it. They'll find some other way. You can't ascertain the totality of the experience of receiving communion by reading a theology book that pronounces that the fullness of the sacrament is contained in each species by itself. People don't receive communion because, or only because, of some intellectual proposition. Were such a decree to be made in Chicago, it would be *unbelievably* unpopular with the parish clergy. And not because of the self-interest aspect that clergy might have to be ordinary ministers at more masses. They'd rightly see it as disenfranchising a lay ministry that does wonderful work. Ministerially, it's not much different than bringing communion to someone in a hospital or nursing home. Or are laypeople supposed to stop that, too? Most clergy in Chicago, I'd expect, would ignore such a rule. I don't think we have as many "liturgy police" in the pews who would 'report' us to the bishop, as happens in some other dioceses, but even if we did, I think a lot of clergy here would dare the bishop to make them stop. FWIW - My parents live in the Rockford, IL diocese, an extremely conservative diocese, and their parish there, while not taking the cup away completely, restricts its availability - there is one "cup line" for every two or three or four "bread lines". Consequently, long lines form to drink from the cup. It's indicative of how much it means to the people in the pews that they are willing to wait for a long time to receive from it. It's also really frustrating. It's a terrible policy. Bishop Olmsted, if you're reading this - listen to the people on this one. They're the ones receiving communion, they may have some insight into this that has escaped you.
Simply a way for a careerist Bishop to further ingratiate himself to the Vatican in order to advance his career. Look for a promotion soon.
As I have noted on many other web-sites---If the people of Phoenix take this from Bishop Olmsted---lying down----they deserve every other restriction that he may dump upon them.
David Smith, regarding your question on communicating diseases -- I've done some stories on this years back and studies found that using a common cup did not raise one's risk of contracting a cold or the like. It's still wise to limit such contacts during flu season, but wise to limit all such contacts, like the sign of peace and arguably the bread. But we don't want to do that. In any event, microbiologists found that the fortified wine used at mass, especially if used in conjunction with an alcohol-infused purificator cloth between sips, keeps the grippe at bay. The only factor that was consistently shown to raise one's likelihood of catching a virus or other was -- no surprise -- having young children at home. Unlikely anyone will seek to ban that...
Both this decison and the altar girl removal by the Cathedral vicar in Phoenix are:-sad in themselves-sad in the dlim defenses offered by the David S."s and Bender and Thorin and other supporters of all things hierarchical and, worst of all, signs of things to keep coming from the top down hierarchy bequeathed us from JPII on through the likes of Law/Burke .I think, despite the"new" evagelization, the future is grim with the growing cleavage between policy makers and many laity over matters great and small.)(BTW, I see the new Abp. of Philly was supporting msgt. Lynn, who got a standing ovation fro mmany priestst here after the Abp mentioned him at a dinner yesterday.I continue to think, more and, more these guys are out of touch!.What;s worse, they tread on the goodness of many Catholic faithful hanging in there to show the "joyfulness" of the Church while imposing more stupidities and reinforcing the old boys club!)Blech!!!!
Has anyone here ever traveled outside the United States of America or Canada? Where Communion under one kind - on the tongue - is...you know...the norm of the Catholic world?What a tiny circumscribed world some live in.
Intincture: Sanitary. No multiplying ministers.
Forgettaboutit what you don't like and think about the subservient deacons in Phoenix and its surround. Phoenix has 240 deacons. They have to explain to wives, daughters, granddaughters that their services are no longer required as EMs or servers. Maybe grandma was inordinately happy seeing granddaughter and daughter serving at the 10 o'clock. So what? The 240 deacons were not consulted... probably because their liturgical and theological skills were seen as lacking. The married Apostles were sure to have had their wives and daughters serving in the house Masses in the first century but since they did not go to a seminary they too were lacking in the liturgical and theological skill sets the present hierarchy learned in the seminary [which most likely has already been closed]
BrianWell, depends on how it is done, too... communion via the spoon with leavened bread and wine as species works great with me, but it doesn't fit the West too well.
BTW, America(sorry Matthew) has an editorial,"Save the Altar Girls." On line almost 150 comments -with the usual divide as you'd expect.)Wil there be an editorial here?????????
I agree Mark. In other lands the norm is to receive the Eucharist simply in the form of the host, and to receive it on the tongue.Sometimes we Americans get up on our high horse about small matters, things that in less wealthy nations are not even on the radar. Everyone knows the economy is tight just now, and without putting too fine a point on it, as a practical matter, since buying wine for mass is a real expense, and since nobody is deprived by not receiving the Eucharist in the form of wine, perhaps in Phoenix they will use the wine budget for other things. This might very well be just a Bishop tending to the practical matters of the diocese for which he is responsible. As such, this sort of carping seems pretty thin.I am not trying to be crass or too casual, but sometimes things are simple; sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Just a few thoughts...I go to a Melkite Greek Catholic Church. Everyone receives by intinction. If our bishop tried to keep the cup from us there would be a riot. Some differences: we use real pieces of bread cut from a common loaf. The priest or deacon dips the piece in the cup (which a lay person holds.) One of my favourite experiences when receiving the Eucharsit in the Byzantine Rite: seeing the little children, even the toddlers, receive. For my 3 year old son it is the highlight of the liturgy for him - eating the Jesus bread, as he calls it. At the end of the liturgy we have a second partaking in blessed bread. This provides the opportunity for those who could not receive the Eucharist, for whatever reason, to come forward and receive something.
Andy B. -- I think you're entirely right to emphasize that Communion is both the literal body and blood of Christ and a *sign* of the goodness of Him in a way that the Host alone is not -- at least for many people it is. True, both host and wine are equally Him, but just as our eyes and mouths are equally each of us, they can signify different things to different people. I think this is what is the case with the host nd cup. For instance, for some people just thinking of the Blood of Christ emphasizes the sacrifice He made for us, and this is a message that some people might need more than others. The Gospels are full of references to the Blood of Christ as symbol of His sacrifice, and I think that having both Host and Cup reminds us of that, though for some of us the Host is sufficient for both. Yes, everyone receives all of Christ in Communion but we do not thereby realize, understand, see Him as He is in Himself, not completely anyway. (Only God sees Jesus completely anywyay) For some people receiving the Blood makes the experience a fuller one, a more telling one, one which signifies more. In other words, it is a matter of what Communion signifies to each, what it *communicates to each* of us as individuals. Some profit by being reminded of His sacrifice in that special way, while others do not. Yes, I'm saying that Communion is *both* a communal thing and an individual thing -- Christ is present to the community as a community, but He is also present to us as individuals, and He showers grace upon both the community as such and all the individuals as such as well.I'm not even one of the ones who receives under both species, but I can see that the wine/Blood gives many people -- not all -- something that the host alone doesn't. So I'm all for it.
Can anyone explain to me why, if Christ is fully present in either the consecrated bread or the consecrated wine, the celebrant must partake of both? Also, surely in the early Church, participants consumed both the consecrated bread and wine. When did the practice of distributing only bread begin?The old definition of a sacrament that I learned, which I believe is still quite valid, is that it is an outward sign, instituted by Christ, to give grace. It seems to me that the Eucharist is the only sacrament (correct me if I am wrong) in which the "outward sign" was explicitly and definitively established by Jesus. It is difficult to understand why Christianity ever departed from the way the Eucharist was celebrated at the Last Supper.
Thorin --Only 10% receive both where you're from? Interesting. Here in New Orleans I'd say that 90% receive both species. I wonder why the difference.
It seems like the Sacrament of Holy Communion is so central to our religion it shouldn't be up to individual bishops to decide how we receive. How we do it- whatever way it is- should be universal to all Catholics everywhere- the same in Phoenix as in Guinea-Bissau.
Many of the points raised above are not new. The Church's complex history of communion under one and both kinds from Apostolic times to 1908 is summarized in the old Catholic Encyclopedia ( http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04175a.htm ), including implicit and explicit teachings of the Council of Trent. While definitive answers are given for some questions, others apparently remained open to speculation a century ago.
"(BTW, I see the new Abp. of Philly was supporting msgt. Lynn, who got a standing ovation fro mmany priestst here after the Abp mentioned him at a dinner yesterday."Bob N. --That's the worst news I've heard in years :-( Makes things look hopeless for internal reform. But we digress.
Ken, do you really think that Bishop Olmsted made this decision for financial reasons? Then why go through all the theological reasonings and never once mention the money? All he had to say was, "Sorry, we just can't afford to continue offering the chalice. But don't worry, you're still getting Christ, whole and entire, in the host."Does anybody know how this is being received in Phoenix--by laity and clergy? All I found online was this report, dated September 23. (Sorry, I don't know how to make it an active link.)http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/09/23/20110923p...
Well, look at that! The link just magically appeared.
Mark: when I go to Mass in France, in most places we receive under only one species. When I go to Mass in the US, most of the time I can receive under both species and it is a joy. Receiving under both species is a significant plus to the liturgy in this country. What's your point?
Mark J. --Arizona is a very conservative state. It might be that people in Phoenix are ultra-conservative and don't really care. But I wonder . . .
I actually thought receiving both species was something that both conservatives and liberal Catholics agreed upon. When I belonged to a conservative parish during the swine flu panic, I recall the conservatives insisting that we should still receive the cup. Bender's idea that we should obey the bishop in all things is not actually what one finds in conservative parishes, esp. if the bishops is perceived to be liberal. But that is the other thing that liberals and conservatives share: obeying the bishop is only for when you agree with him.If the concern is too many lay ministers, then why not have fewer ministers and just allow communion time to take longer? Sing two hymns instead of one, or have a reflection song. This is what they did at the conservative parish, although they usually had about 5 lay ministers too.
No host, including Jesus, would ask her/his guests to drink out of one cup. It's unsanitary and inhospitable. Catholics should take a lesson from Protestants and provide individual cups. ---Sometimes ministers of the Eucharist have strayed even farther than the bishop in question here. See, e.g., an article by Gary Macy in NCR, 1999. From that:if any bishop or priest outside the command of the Lord offers something else in sacrifice upon the altar, that is, either honey or milk or raisins instead of wine, or some other concoction, or a bird, or some other animal, or beans, thus working against the constitution of the Lord, he is to be deposed.
"Benders idea that we should obey the bishop in all things is not actually what one finds in conservative parishes, esp. if the bishops is perceived to be liberal."I would add: also if the bishop is conservative but not conservative enough :-)
"If the concern is too many lay ministers, then why not have fewer ministers and just allow communion time to take longer? Sing two hymns instead of one, or have a reflection song. This is what they did at the conservative parish, although they usually had about 5 lay ministers too."I believe Rome's ideal is that the priests, deacons and instituted acolytes would be drafted into distributing communion at more masses than they do now, thus diminishing the sheer numbers of lay ministers. I'm old enough to remember the days before we had lay Eucharistic ministers: the parish priests who weren't celebrating a particular mass would mosey into the sacristy during the Eucharistic Prayer or the Our Father, and then would appear in sort of semi-vested form in the sanctuary to help distribute communion. Some folks in Rome want to bring that practice back. For this deacon, it would be a burden to have to be at every mass - we have one on Saturday evening, three on Sunday morning and one on Sunday evening. Unlike a parish priest, I don't live in a rectory on the parish grounds.Speaking of instituted acolytes - having them is an official, by-the-Roman-books way for laypersons to be commissioned into the formal ministry of distributing the Eucharist. Right now, it's almost entirely a stepping-stone on the road to ordination, but it needn't be limited to that. Rather than taking the cup away from people, perhaps Bishop Olmsted could pursue this curiously neglected ministry and institute a good portion of the lay ministers formally into the ranks of acolyte.
Jim- Can women be instituted acolytes?
The bishop in Phoenix (a) condones banning female altar servers and (b) effectively told St. Joseph Hospital that it should have allowed a pregnant woman to die on the gurney.Now, he says no more reception from the cup except on prescribed occasions. Never mind that Jesus said, "Drink." I like the comment from a blogger at NCROnline who said, If Jesus was smart enough to jump into the host at consecration, surely Jesus would be smart enough to jump out of the host at profanation! :-)Seriously, Bennie and ilk are working overtime to resuscitate a (deservedly) dying clerical culture that surely undermined the healthy kind of human/ecclesial relationship envisioned by Jesus in the gospels. When will enough Catholics staying within the institution force their hierarchs to stop this crap???Orthotoxy rules.Downright sad.
I know of an African-American parish that provided individual serving glasses for the consecrated wine a number of years ago. I recall when I had to drive down to Ft. Campbell from Louisville on official civilian personnel business and was able to worship at a weekday sacred liturgy in a small whitewashed wood chapel; the presider (w/fatigues and combat boots under chasuble) encouraged us to dip the sacred host into the sacred wine at communion.It's long past time for layfolk to tell their pastors to use commonsense in eucharistic distribution.And, while I'm thinking of it, let's get rid of the word 'extraordinary' as in "Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist" (or whatever). Words matter --- and help reinforce a sick, dysfunctional clerical culture. And, yes, it's time for lay ministers to resume cleaning the sacred vessels after communion. Many other liturgical reforms are needed as well. I say, If a presbyter or bishop objects to these Vatican II-inspired efforts at renewal, then let the ordained guy find himself alone at Mass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Seriously, stop this Roman/Curial crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No - women currently can not be instituted as acolytes (it is viewed as a step towards ordination only) - may not be called a minor order but legally is still handled that way.Here is an interesting piece of information - it is Patriarch Maximos' input on the schema at Vatican II concerning communion under both forms:"Very fortunately the schema proposes to restore in the Latin Church Communion under both species. This restoration first of all conforms with our Lords wish, for He did not lightly institute the Eucharist under two species, for the faithful as well as for the priests. Without condemning the Latin practice of giving Communion to the faithful only under the species of bread, our separated brethren could well have been surprised that the Latin Church does not follow more closely in this regard the desire of the Lord and the ancient tradition of the Church. Thus it is a restoration that is equally desirable from the point of view of drawing closer to our separated brethren of the East and of the West.This restoration is unquestionably inspired by the example of the Eastern Church. That should convince the partisans of total latinization, if there is still a need to do so, that there are other rites in the Catholic Church, and how senseless it is to deprive the Catholic Church of everything that is not Latin, in the matter of the liturgy, as well as in discipline, art, organization, etc."So, Olmsted's decision also diminishes VII's attempt to learn from our Eastern half - it makes East-West unity more difficult.In terms of what Jim is stating above - let me also add that the liturgical renewal tried to use a principle that the eucharistic community present at a liturgy needs to be respected (they are the baptized first (ordination is something to serve the liturgy as the Eastern church defines it) - thus, bringing in priests to distribute communion only is a poor sign; does not create a community - they were not present for the eucharist; focuses not on the eucharistic community but on priesthood as if that stands above and separated from a community celebration; it divorces liturgical ministry from the praying community. It goes along with re-emphasizing concelebration rather than private masses; emphasizing eucharist with a community and trying to minimize any type of private mass with only a server.Bender - use the image of a wedding feast to capture the essence of the eucharist. Wedding feasts celebrate love and committed relationships. The eucharist is about a relationship of love - it is not about counting sacramental grace as if it is adding up points, rewards, etc. It is not as if receiving communion (under one or both forms) is a type of contest that will eventually open a door to heaven.Sacramental theology uses the term - symbol - in a very deliberate way. The eucharist - bread/wine - are symbols of the reality of the body and blood of Christ. Restricting eucharist to one symbol decreases and minimizes the eucharist (not saying you don't receive sacramental grace; not saying it is less valid or illicit but am saying that VII renewal placed an increased value on the eucharistic symbols).Olmsted doesn't say this but by stressing the "negatives" - e.g. too many EMs lessens the ordinary priest/deacon giving communion; profanation. Does this mean that if we receive from an EM, it is less than if we receive from a priest (remember those days in the early 70's)? Is the eucharist/communion's purpose to highlight and underline priestly ordination?Again, we have a "policy" or discipline that contains very little reference to scripture; to the eucharistic tradition of the church in its whole history (not just post-Trent). It seems to highlight communion as an "object" you receive from "sacred hands" rather than the sacred action of a eucharistic community.
When I first heard of this mooted restriction, I wrote to the diocese of ~Phoenix to query the truth of the rumour. I received a reply affirming the intention and a reference to the Q&A on the website. So I briefly replied expressing disappointment. After a week or so I have now received a kindly letter from a Father in the diocese explaining:Dear Mary,The Liturgical Documents allow for the cup to be offered to the laity on those occasions when doing so can make us aware of our greater unity as a Catholic people. We receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ when we receive the host; or conversely, we receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ if we receive the precious blood alone. If this is true, why would we ever offer the cup. We do so to show not a fuller reality, but a fuller unity. At times when we offer the cup and the majority of people do not receive from the cup (as is the case at Sunday masses in most if not all parishes), the sign of Unity does not existbecause most people do not receive from the cup. This defeats the entire reason we would offer the cup in the first place. The bishops new policy does in fact allow the cup to be offered on appropriate occasions, when offering both kinds can in fact be a fuller sign of unity. Some of these occasions include, First Communion, Confirmation, Wedding Mass (to the bride and groom), retreats, special spiritual gatherings, Holy Thursday. The General Instruction also allows for Pastors to extend the cup to individuals who perform some ministry at a particular mass (deacon, servers, readers, etc.). Since the priest celebrant takes the place of Christ the High Priest at mass, he must receive both the precious blood and sacred body of the Lord; as is the tradition of temple worship in Israel and has been the tradition of Catholic worship for 2000 years. This is not about clericalism or power, this is about the requirements of sacrifice as laid out in the Old Testament. Christ the perfect High Priest offered his very body and blood as he poured out his life for many on the altar of the cross. It is this action repeated by our prieswt. Peace, Fr. KieranTo which I have replied : "What did Jesus say? What did Jesus do?"Too many Catholics in positions of authority think primarily or even exclusively about the "Church" and forget Jesus.
Ain't for nothin' that church historian Timothy Thibodeau has referred to the sad (and I would add, dysfunctional) "objectification" of the eucharist during the Middle Ages.
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Both within a price point sub $2500.
Not too sure about the AK sniper rifle in 7.62X39. Especially when the common name for the 7.62X39 rd is "The Rainbow Round". Why? Because it drops like a stone past 300 yds due to the reduced powder charge. I do believe that's why sniper rds in 7.62 are usually X51 or X54 rather than X39. Just sayin........
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The show starts an hour from now, and we're as ready as we can be. The crew arrived at 6pm, and Bill Frisell was sitting onstage, practicing silently. He seemed to like the alone time, so we didn't bother him. Paul Motian came to the club for a minute, then darted off to dinner. Joe Lovano was leaving the airport in Cleveland at 3:30pm. Haven't seen him yet. With jazz, all is in flux, always.
Due to an emergency, Joe Lovano missed opening night. Saxophonist Bill McHenry, who plays regularly with Paul Motian, subbed for both sets last night. This is the second night of the trio's residency, but the first evening they're together. Aftermore than two decades of playing together, these guys can just come in and play.
We're live. The trio is playing "The Bag Man," from their ECM release, I Have The Room Above Her. Named after the Jerome Kern song from Showboat.
This trio is comprised of musicians who are some of the foremost interpreters of Thelonious Monk's music. This one called "Light Blue." Motian played a week with Monk, but considers him a looming influence.
After a beautiful "Time and Time Again," the trio goes into one of their familiar songs, "Jack of Clubs." These gentlemen are completely in the moment...
Thelonious Monk's "Ruby My Dear," minus piano. Bill Frisell's opening is wafting around the ether. Float like a butterfly...
I'm detecting a trend here. This is "Let's Cool One," another Monk composition.
I really love this song. It's called "Cambodia." Apparently, Manfred Eicher from ECM inspired the name. He said it sounded like Cambodia. Maybe minus the Khmer Rouge?
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ANDERSON, SC - Robert Walker Sutton, age 61, husband of Debbie Clanton Sutton, passed away on Saturday, September 21, 2013 at MUSC in Charleston.
Born in New Orleans, LA, he was the son of the late Robert Walker Sutton, Sr. and the late Lillian A. Henderson Sutton. He had served in the United States Navy, and worked has a technician at Bosch-AFCO. Mr. Sutton was a member of New Springs Community Church.
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HONOLULU — Homeless and living on a Hawaii beach, Sarah Kanuha never imagined being able to provide preschool for her youngest daughter.
But on Thursday, the mother of five watched 4-year-old Aulii Malia Kanuha receive a preschool diploma. She was one of 35 students to graduate from Ka Paalana Traveling Preschool, which educates about 700 homeless children each year.
Kanuha found out about the program last year while living at Keaau Beach Park, on Oahu's Waianae Coast. The family has since moved to a shelter.
"Socially, she has grown so much," she said. "They blossomed her into this social little butterfly."
Kanuha's oldest child, now 18, received free preschool in Michigan. But when the family moved back to the islands, her three other children never got any preschool. Hawaii, one of the country's most expensive places to live, is one of 10 states with no state-funded pre-kindergarten program, according to the National Institute for Early Education Research.
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The report showed that nearly half of Hawaii's children didn't attend preschool from 2009 to 2011.
Hawaii's governor this week signed a bill that expands the state's existing Preschool Open Doors program to fund subsidies for 900 children.
The more than $7 million package is seen as a step toward eventually providing state-funded public preschool, but is less than half of what Gov. Neil Abercrombie originally proposed. Thousands of kids will lose services when the state's junior kindergarten program for late-born 4-year-olds expires in mid-2015.
Educating children at homeless shelters and tents on the beach, Ka Paalana is funded mostly through federal programs, including the Administration for Native Americans.
Because Hawaii's circumstances prevent many families from being able to afford preschool, Ka Paalana Director Danny Goya wanted his school to provide quality learning. So he sought to be accredited by the National Association for Education of Young Children, which he calls the "creme de la creme of accreditation." The association rejected his application when he first applied in 2007. It normally accredits programs with a permanent, physical center, so the preschool set up a tent at a shelter, complete with a playground that now meets the association's standards.
Ninety-five percent of the preschool's families are Native Hawaiian and the program strives to perpetuate Hawaiian culture. Teachers use the culture to teach skills, such as learning to count in English and Hawaiian. The graduation ceremony closed with a Hawaiian prayer, or pule, led by two graduates.
Seeing Enaia Carrisales, 5, play with blocks under the shade of a tent on the beach or run around with other children her age has helped ease the stress of losing the family's Makaha home to foreclosure, said her father, Albert.
"It means a lot to us," he said. "She's able to learn and get together with kids."
The preschool incorporates parents and caregivers, with the adults spending time with the children for several hours and then spending the rest of the day receiving skills such as vocational training and GED preparation.
The classes have helped homeless single father Leo Dew with his two daughters, Leolani, 6, and Leomomi, 5.
"We're blessed to have this program," he said after watching Leomomi graduate, wearing a lei he made with plumeria picked from trees at a Waianae homeless shelter.
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I picked Arezzo last weekend as well and they won their match and I am convinced they can do the same on Sunday. Both teams are in good form, well, Arezzo is in super form eventough they are at the bottom part of the league table. I will go for Arezzo today as well and more than 2.5 goals.
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Rated 5 out of 5Â by jamie84 great for fall! i got these in the teal (im chomping at the bit for the first day of Fall weather) and im actually REALLY surprised at how close in color they are to the picture! the real pants are just a little "dustier", not quite as crisp and clean green/teal as the pic, but for free people, i think they came much closer than they usually do. i am usually a size 28, but all my pants are super stretchy, so for these i went with a 27 cause i feel like cords arent as stretchy, they just stretch out, and then i have baggy knees and square butt for the rest of the day. so i went smaller, and the waist is pretty tight, and it gives me a little muffin, but my tailor will probably be able to take the waist out even just a little and they will be perfecto! i think if i stuck with my normal size the legs just would have been to baggy. even with the smaller size theyre not fitting me as tight as the models. theyre just an awkward cut, and to get it right i think most of us will need to shell out an extra 10 at the tailor. im putting these as true to size cause i dont know what to put! the waist is small and the rest is big! and im rating them as excellent because i really think they are! even though they require work. 7.21.2011
Rated 3 out of 5Â by metswash Color NOT as pictured I ordered the curry color, and was not pleased with what I got. In person, the curry is a strange gold color with a green tint. They remind me of a couch off "That 70s Show." As you can see in my picture, nothing like the orange/yellow color displayed in FP's picture. The green is even more prominent in person than in the picture I posted. Besides the color, they are nice and fit well. 9.3.2011
Rated 5 out of 5Â by Tinimolina Mushroom cords Great pants! I got the mushroom in size 25. I wasn't sure about which size I had to order, since I'm 5,2'' 112 lb, so I took a leap. The pants fit great in my legs and they're not too long. The waist is a little bit tight, so I think an 26 should fit me better, but I read in other reviews that these pants eventually stretch. The color is exactly as it's pictured in the last photo, the quality feels great and they're comfy and soft (except for the waist part). Best purchase in a long time. 4.17.2012
Rated 4 out of 5Â by Mikalah Great pants, but not quite as pictured for me I purchased the teal color in my usual size 28. I obviously don't have the same body that the model does, but I think in general they don't quite fit the same as what is pictured. My one gripe is that the waistband is very tight and sits pretty low, whereas the legs are much looser than what is pictured. I'd say the fit is probably much closer to the dusty rose model pics. Ultimately that's not a bad deal, but if you're looking for something more skin tight this may be an experiment of sizing, where I wouldn't necessarily say size down because of the waistband. The teal color is also a teense bit more grey than I was expecting. Overall though, great pants, and I got the entire outfit pictured with the teal =) 7.9.2011
Rated 3 out of 5Â by Violaine Try 'em on first! These are awesome pants that I really feel like will fit a variety of body shapes well - IF you take the time to try on a million of them in the store. I spent an hour or so trying on multiple 28s and 29s in various different colors. I walked out with a pair of dusty rose in 29, because the 28 (my regular size, at 5'9 and 145 lbs) wouldn't even go over my hips. However, the 28 in the teal color was the PERFECT fit. The 29s I bought in the dusty rose are a bit loose, and I'm contemplating going to another store and trying on all their 28s to see if I can find a pair that will look better than the 29s do. Moral of the story? Just keep trying them on! I can't give them more than three stars due to the amazing oversight in sizing, though. The size numbers are just arbitrary, really. 11.23.2011
Rated 2 out of 5Â by hollynivey good for under $80, not great I bought EVERY color in a size 28. I'm 5'8, athletic thin (hips, thighs) not model skinny. Out of the 5, 3 fit(ish) like almost everyone else, the ones that "fit" my thighs are just a teeny bit too snug in the waist (mildly uncomfortable) the rise is medium which is great if they didn't pinch. I returned the curry and the emerald because they were too small (couldn't button) but did not get a larger size cause the colors are hideous, not well represented on site. I kept mushroom, rose, and light grey cause they are decent for the money. MY BIGGEST PROBLEM with them is the ankle seeming. Firstly the outside seem is not finished as shown in the photo so the detail looks more like a mistake. It is cut on the bias to create a quirky design touch, i thought was interesting in the photo, In reality, after a couple of hours of wear they really twist half way around your leg and make a weird silhouette. I'll be wearing them with tall boots in the future. Lastly, it was great to get 3 pairs for what i normally pay for one but i would pay more for better fit 9.20.2011
Rated 4 out of 5Â by May713 adorable design, questionable functionality loose in the thighs and legs...but unforgiving in the waist. like most women, my waist size fluctuates slightly during the month---these pants offer not even an ounce of elastic forgiveness. i think they should make these in a lower rise with some type of elastic stiched in the top of the waist. i absolutely love the design and color though ( I have the grey ones). 4.14.2012
Rated 4 out of 5Â by coco623 Great, but funny sizing Found these on sale the other day so I bought two pairs of course. While in the store I only tried on one pair, and just chose another color in the same size. Strangely enough when I got home I tried on the other pair and they were muccchhhh much tighter than the first. I'm hoping they will stretch as the other reviews said, but probably best to try these on in the store since the size discrepancy seems to happen even within the same size. I still love them though! 3.6.2012
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The Velocitek ProStart is an easy to use GPS enabled sailing instrument with distance to line features. The ProStart has the GPS instrument features that pro sailors actually use and nothing else. The ProStart's clearly marked buttons do exactly what you expect them to. This makes the ProStart easy to learn and easy to explain to your crew.
The ProStart, is specifically designed, from the ground up, to give you the easiest, most accurate distance to line measurements ever. Setting the line is as simple as telling your crew to press the boat button as you sail by the RC and then the pin button as you sail by the pin.
Start signals have a way of going off at the least convenient times. With the ProStart, when you hear or see any type of start signal it's the always the same drill: just hit the GUN button. If the timer isn't running, it will start. If the timer is running it will sync.
Ten seconds after your start, the ProStart automatically switches to showing your GPS speed (SOG) and heading (COG). The accuracy and responsiveness of the speed measurements make the ProStart an unparalleled tool for optimizing your boatspeed.
Features & Benefits
Start-specific user interface.
Velocitek's number one goal in designing the ProStart was to make sure that the product would never undermine your crew's performance with unnecessary distractions during the pre-start. The front surface of the ProStart is reserved for the three most important start-related buttons: the pin , boat and gun buttons. The large size of these buttons makes them easy to press, even with gloved hands and easy to find in the midst of chaos.
Easy on the eyes.
The ProStart's sunlight-readable high-contrast LCD screen features 30mm (1.2") tall digits in a font that's optimized for readability. This makes the instrument easy to read with a quick glance and helps you keep your attention focused outside the boat.
Tactile Feedback.
The ergonomic design of the ProStart makes it's large buttons easy to press with one hand even when your boat is pitching around. The spring-loaded mechanical buttons also provide positive tactile feedback. This lets you know that you've successfully pinged a mark without having to look at the ProStart's screen.
Mount the ProStart anywhere.
Each ProStart comes packaged with a mounting cradle that can be bolted to the ProStart Mast Mounting Bracket or directly to a bulkhead. The cradle is also compatible with any bracket designed for the venerable Tacktick Micro Compass.
The ProStart has been tested to IPX-8, the most rigorous industrial water-resistance standard. This means that you can count on the ProStart to survive wipeout after epic wipeout.
Second Line of Defense.
We do not recommend opening up the ProStart's battery compartment on the water. On the other hand, we understand that you're unlikely to follow this recommendation so we covered the ProStart's USB connector with a silicone plug and sealed the batery terminals with epoxy; a few stray water droplets won't ruin your day.
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The ProStart's sealed battery compartment can be opened without tools This allows you to swap in a fresh set of standard rechargeable or disposable AA cells in mere seconds.
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Velocitek ProStart Technical Specifications
- Speed Accuracy: ±0.2 Knots
- Heading Resolution: 1°
- Display Update Rate: 2Hz (once every 0.5s)
- Water Resistance: 3m / 10 ft (IPX-8)
- Display: 30mm / 1.18" digit height 120° viewing cone
- Data Logger: Lat, Long, Time, Speed, and Heading recorded at 0.5 Hz (once every 2s), 30hr capacity. Data download is compatible with Mac OS X 10.6 and Windows
- Batteries: 3 x AA 20+ hr endurance, rechargeable or disposable
- Dimensions: 120mm x 175mm x 40mm / 4.72" x 6.89" x 1.57"
- Weight Including Batteries: 448g / 0.99lb
- Bracket Compatibility: Velocitek ProStart Mast Bracket or any Tacktick Micro Compass bracket.
- GPS Chipset: u-blox LEA-5M
- Warranty: One year
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Post: #231
RE: Rants.
(05-02-2013 03:15 AM)Stephanie Wrote: Oh lord. Sounds like she's got some issues. It's normal to kinda hang out most of the time with ur bf but if u have other friends it's important not to get so lost in that guy that u can't see straight. I sadly don't have that problem because all of my friends are busy, pregnant, married and off in lala land or have a few kids and they don't have time for "hanging out". I have a friend who just kinda fell off the face of this planet a few yrs ago. I tried inviting her to see me and hang out a few months ago and she completely blew me off saying she was "Sooooo busy" and could only meet at 8am for coffee. Told her to forget it and I would see her when she had more time. Turns out she wasn't busy....she just had "better" friends to hang out with who were more "cultured" than me. Hurts pretty bad. I've been with Michael for nearly 2 1/2 years and she's never met him let alone seen me since we graduated HS. I honestly wanted her in my wedding but now it's like we don't even know each other we're so different and far away. She lives in freaking Hawaii now. Before she was interning in Germany.Yeah she has issues. I know its normal as I love to hang out with my boyfriend all the time but I always make time for my friends, like if I was planning on hanging out with him and then a friend invites me for lunch then I will try and make it work so I can hang out with both of them. But this so called friend is worse than yours as she normally used to cancel the morning that we were meeting up, saying she forgot shes got to babysit and stuff like that. Shes met my boyfriend twice for about five seconds. and she wasnt going to be in my wedding (me and my boyfriend say that we are engaged without the ring lol) but i was going to invite her to it, now I wont even bother. so yeah its kinda nice that someone knows how I feel.
Post: #232
RE: Rants.
im so crabby right now, like i honestly hate when people change their minds and plans every two seconds and at the very last minute. i hate cancelling plans its so embarrassing, unless there is a legitimate reason you shouldn't be cancelling plans or have made them just to cancel.
My life is completely filled with pure bliss. <3
Post: #233
RE: Rants.
(05-03-2013 05:53 PM)mariahh. Wrote: im so crabby right now, like i honestly hate when people change their minds and plans every two seconds and at the very last minute. i hate cancelling plans its so embarrassing, unless there is a legitimate reason you shouldn't be cancelling plans or have made them just to cancel.
I can't stand it when people do that. Makes me feel like they just don't care and are too scattered and immature to be a true friend.
Post: #234
RE: Rants.
Right so I've said this before but god my ex best friend is not a nice person! She gets back in contact with my best friend and arranged to meet up with her when she came down last weekend, my best friend arranged to meet me first and then my ex best friend after she finishes work so me and my best friend we're having lunch and then she texts her saying that work is too busy and she won't get out at two and that she will meet her the next time she's down. I'm sorry but I don't really care if work is too busy she could have arranged another time that day to meet up! My ex best friend let my best friend down again, she was really really upset. And I know for a fact that my best friend isn't going to bother even telling her when she's next down, there's no point when she's being let down all the time. I gave up on her a long time ago.
The other thing is I really really hate it when the person I love more than anything in this world is hurting and I can't do a thing about it! It hurts me that I cant do anything
Post: #235
RE: Rants.
I feel extremely heartbroken right now when I know I shouldn't be
My life is completely filled with pure bliss. <3
Post: #236
RE: Rants.
(07-24-2013 12:19 PM)mariahh. Wrote: I feel extremely heartbroken right now when I know I shouldn't be
What's happening?
I'm actually kinda mad at my old best friend. She and I were friends for years from like 6th-12th grade. We graduated HS and it's normal to grow apart sorta but we never went to the same HS so it made no sense to grow apart. She now just graduated from an "actual" college according to her mom and moved to Hawaii for a teaching job. She randomly starts dating someone is already engaged when I had no idea she even had a bf because she doesn't talk to me when I try talking to her. I text her one time and the only time she could hang out while in town was at 8am and I wasn't going to do that so we haven't seen each other in years. I'm about ready to give up on the friendship because it's clear I'm not an important factor in her life anymore.
Post: #237
RE: Rants.
That's like my ex-best friend.
I went to University and she visited nearly every weekend of my 1st year because she was at home in Manchester,taking a "gap year". We've known each other since we were 7. (we are both now 24). On my 20th birthday I had a party, we had already arranged with her Mum that one of my relatives would walk her home after the party as there house was just past hers. She was texting a guy from college all night ( a guy who hadn't paid her any attention at all until her dad came back in to her life,it turns out that the guys dad is best friends with my friends dad. My best friends dad is from a strict Muslim family,who still believe in arranged marriages). Anyway she was texting him all night and we got drunk like you do (my mum makes lethal cocktails) and then she chucks her phone at me and says give him your postcode. So this guy asks for my postcode and says he is coming to pick her up as she is out late and drunk and it's not appropriate. It was 10pm and we'd told her Mum she wouldn't be home till about 2AM and her mum really wasn't bothered what time she got in because it was my party and someone was walking her home. Anyway this guy turns up and she goes with him, and they go to blackpool and then she gets home for 2am,and she has the cheek to tell her Mum that my aunty walked her home. And then the next day she facebooks about what a great night she had with him. Then when my family tagged her in the pics from my party she untagged herself,when I asked her why she said,because she was drunk and she didn't want them on her profile,she has tons if drunk pics on there. Anyway I go back to Uni,and she never comes up to see me,we arrange it and she cancels last minute,same when I went home to visit. So it gets to her birthday I leave a gift at her Mums for her,and her mum says she never sees her now because she is at her dads or with the guy. She decides to go to the same uni the guy is at and do business.....she was down to do dance, but changed because the guy does eccomonics and business is more respectable. So it gets to like 9 months without me seeing her,and just talking on the phone. When it hits a year I am on holiday and get a text off my cousin asking who the cute baby is on my friends fb, it turns out it's HER baby,she had a baby and didn't even tell me. And I know for a fact that for her birthday which was a MONTH before her baby was born,she went out with her Mum and Gran and her cousins and she got drunk....like totally wasted. According to her Mum she didn't even know she was pregnant. Anyway when I get back,I ask to meet up and say I have a gift for the baby,she ignores me. We finally meet up a whole YEAR later,again conversations over the phone and her cancelling plans. So we meet for lunch & she lies about her job and she doesn't even bring her daughter. It was all me,me,me. She never once asked how I was,or what I was doing once I graduated. She tells everyone we know that we are still best friends. I see my friends from Uni more and they all live two hours away.
07-26-2013, 04:08 PM (This post was last modified: 07-26-2013 04:09 PM by Stephanie.)
Post: #238
RE: Rants.
(07-25-2013 12:47 PM)Londonlipton Wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow....that puts my story to shame. THAT'S HORRIBLE!
I guess I really am a jealous person but I think it's warranted in this situation with her because she now has all of these friends and people she knows that are like artsy and athletic. She is trying to find herself and it hurts because she's been doing this finding herself crap since she was 13. It's time to FIND YOURSELF and stick to that person to some degree. I'm pretty much the same person give or take that I've always been. Maybe I'm a little more open and free and happy but for her it's like she changes her entire look and personality every 2-4 yrs. Our friends always said that of the 4 of us I'd be the first to lose my virginity and the first to get married and the first to be successful. Turns out I'm the last for all of these things. 1 of them is married and has been for years. The other two are both either a banker or graduated from college and actually planning her wedding. Here's me.....sitting in the same place in college.....taking the same repeat classes.....dreaming about the same stupid wedding. I know mine will be better because we'll have time to actually make it perfect for us....but it's still hard to swallow that I'm now the unsuccessful one of that group.
Post: #239
RE: Rants.
I met this guy through my Miss Teen stuff, and I knew I shouldn't have gotten involved more than professionally. He told me he was interested in me, but was afraid to start to because he didn't know if I would give him the time of day, since we work together for miss teen stuff, and so I hesitated and told him that i wanted to be professional and was scared it'd be bad or awkward if it were to end horribly, or if one of us got hurt (mostly if I got hurt..)
anyways after a few months of working together, i began to fall for him. he was pursuing me hardcore, and I admit i liked the attention, (i recently a few months before this got out of a terrible relationship that he would call me a b ALL the time, but that's another story) I told him i started to like him, and so he did ask me to be his girlfriend,
here is where it begins.
for one, i am not one to get mad over something on Facebook, but he still had his ex girlfriend listed as his currently girlfriend even though she changed hers to single when they broke up? so I'm not even sure how that was an option. ANYWAYS, yeah. so after he asked me to be his girlfriend we hung out outside of miss teen events, and it was a good time, but then he started to treat me differently after we fooled around once? i felt crappy after that time because i felt "easy". i'm not one to do things right off the bat AT ALL, and it takes time, because that type of stuff means a lot to me i guess. (i didn't sleep with him at this point)
couple more times we hung out, we slept together, and it was my first time. he knew it was, and then didn't call or text me for four days after that.. the next time i saw/talked to him was at an event we had together... and to my surprise, he brought his new GIRLFRIEND to my event, to sit on my stage. and kissed in front of me. His best friend who was also there, told me they started dating the day we slept together (his friend didn't know we did, but he told me when they started dating and it was a coincidence)
so that's where the biggest break for me was.
then, they broke up after a month, and we started to talk again, and he invited me up to his cabin, but i couldn't go because of work obligations, then he came back home and i snuck out of my house (which im not a rebel AT ALL) to see him, and what happened? stuff, so he hasn't texted me since.
obvioulsy i was never anything more to him than a hook up. I made myself too easy, and It makes me really sad it was like that. i dont regret it because id ont believe in regretting something you once wanted, but i wish i did it differently.
i wish i meant more to him, and i dont know what to do. i know i should move on and forget about him, but easier said than done.
theres soemthing about him, that makes me feel powerless and not in control and i HATE that feeling. I usually am ALWAYS controlling (i know it can be a bad trait) but with him i can't say no, and at that moment, it feels right, but after i feel crappy.
My life is completely filled with pure bliss. <3
Post: #240
RE: Rants.
(07-27-2013 01:34 AM)mariahh. Wrote: I met this guy through my Miss Teen stuff, and I knew I shouldn't have gotten involved more than professionally. He told me he was interested in me, but was afraid to start to because he didn't know if I would give him the time of day, since we work together for miss teen stuff, and so I hesitated and told him that i wanted to be professional and was scared it'd be bad or awkward if it were to end horribly, or if one of us got hurt (mostly if I got hurt..)
I'm sorry to say but he doesn't sound like a real winner and it's good u are figuring this out now instead of getting involved deeper and getting hurt. We all go through that feeling of being helpless and unable to say no. I went through that too when I was with my ex. He would play me for a fool saying he loved me and would find me at work and tell me he wanted back together.....then the next day he would act like I didn't exist. It really took until I found my fiance to really get my head on straight. Guys have a way of messing with our minds and making us think it's what we deserve.
I was watching The Perks of Being a Wallflower the other night and it's true what they say, we always love the wrong person because we allow ourselves to believe that's all we're worth. We always go for the guy that we know won't be able to hurt us as deeply because it will always be a shallow relationship that if it gets ugly we can blame them and then ourselves for just being us and falling for that "type."
I'm here to tell ya that it's not even about finding the perfect man or the perfect person. It's about finding what is perfect for you. If you settle for less than you deserve that's all you will ever get. Find a man who you can argue with but who wants you around just as much if not more than you do. Find someone who is different and isn't the usual type. Go out looking for a man who is also looking for forever. You don't go into it assuming it's going to work out forever, but you want someone who's willing to make it work even if you're mad at each other. Find someone that you can build trust with. Someone that even if you say the worst things to each other sometimes, u can't imagine not falling asleep next to them and ACTUALLY sleeping. It has to be a relationship built on love and trust and being together with the sex intermixed into the relationship.
Michael and I didn't sleep together until 7 months after we got together. This wasn't easy and it was my first time (and he's been married before) but it let me see that he's going to want me around even after the sex isn't as "good". He's still going to love me when I'm pregnant and not in the mood for sex. He's going to love me when we have children and when we get married. He's going to love me through the good and the bad times. It doesn't matter if he is stubborn and drives me up the wall with his moodiness and short fuse after he works 14 hr days all week; I still love him even if I don't always show it the best. It's been close to three years and it's hard when all you want to do is get the money, get the job and settle down. It's never easy but you have to find someone who you feel needs you in his life just as much as you need him. It's horrible to say but sometimes you need to have the feeling that you did TOO good for yourself and you do not and will never deserve him. If he feels the same way about you, then he's a keeper. If once he finds you, ur all that he sees and all that he cares to protect, then he's a keeper.
It might take years to find this guy for you....and he might not be what you'd expect but he'll be exactly what you need in your life. This chump with the many ladies does not sound like he's worth it. People think I'm nuts for making Michael wait for 7 months but it was the best choice I ever made. I'm not gonna lie and say he was happy about it but I had to know he was really in love with me and not just my body. No man who doesn't love you will stick around for THAT long just to get a piece. It worked for me but that's always a case by case situations. Everyone is different but just move on from this experience and try not to be too hard on yourself. It's a learning experience and it could have become a lot worse. Know that he's beneath you and it'll make getting over him a lot easier.
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