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I have been playing FFXI for a while now. Started to play a little before the great Christmas of 2005 (some of you may know what I mean). I also play FFXIV. been playing since beta off and on. Out of the two I have to say that I play FFXI the most. It is by far one of the easiest games for me to pick up and play now.
Frankly, anyone who bitches about abyssea ruining the game never played through it. It has become a means to get your Empy armor and weapons and not much else. I can understand some peoples complaints about leveling but you can still level the old school way, solo, books (without burns), and then of course abyssea. They have also adjusted the XP outside abyssea. Abyssea is all but abandoned since most have from it what they need. There is quite a bit of new content coming through the pipes as far as dungeons and other things. You also have the additions of Neo Nyzul, new Limbus, Neo Dynamis, Viodwatch, Legion and more...
Saying that Abyssea made noobs is partially correct but I knew a lot of level 75 players who sucked at their jobs back before abyssea came out. Leveling does not teach you shit about how your job operates at endgame. Everyone knows that.
I can say that if you want to come back and play FFXI, now is the time. Come back, play through the content and see for yourself. Coming here and asking a bunch of people that don't play anymore about what has been going on or if you should come back is a huge mistake. Most of them just cry about Abyssea and are clueless as to what the game is like now.
Take it from me, a person who has played through all of the content and still plays today. The game is most definitely worth playing.
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"Blue, blue."
Originally posted by Dfix
If the game has in fact changed as much as you say, then great - I might actually consider giving it a go again since I happen to have an unused copy of the "Ultimate Collection Abyssea Edition" collecting virtual dust. You can't really blame people for feeling they way they do though, or being skeptical about the game finally taking a turn away from Abyssea, with the way it's been exploited over the years.
Then of course, there's the triviality of leveling in the game since many people have been able to max out every job in a relatively short period of time, thanks to Abyssea/burning. For many of us, the journey is the most important part, and with the current system being so easily exploitable, it pretty much kills that portion of the game. Sure, we can opt to level the old fashioned way, but that's not exactly easy to do in a group-centric game, where most players are inevitably going to take the path of least resistance. In other words, the devs set the rate of leveling progression in this game, and as leveling hella fast is well within the confines of legitimacy, the majority will continue to progress that way, and the few of us who want to level the old fashioned way will be left to struggle our way through the game.
Don't get me wrong. I hated being forced to group back in the day to do anything, nor do I think that having it take months upon months to reach max level was optimal, but I don't think allowing someone to gain like 30 levels or more in a couple of hours was the way to go about fixing those inherent issues. The game was made more accessible to solo players and small groups, and that's a start, but it should have been taken even farther. The original "grind" in the game should have been made more enjoyable and fluid, rather than making it completely trivial instead.
Long story short, I'd just like the leveling process to be given some kind of importance again, and if they could have made it more fun and less of an actual grind, I think that would have been the best course of action. With the way it is now, they might as well start everyone off at level 75, and let them go from there.
Anyway, those are just my thoughts. If the game really is finally making a change for the better, that's awesome and I'll definitely consider giving it another go. If I can find some like-minded people along the way that also want to play in a more slow-paced, smell-the-roses kind of way, even better.
Thanks for the insight.
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Originally posted by alacres
And this is exactly the point being discussed. The op was looking for people to play, not come in here and tell others why this is a mistake or people coming in here telling those peole why they are wrong. Listing the key concerns, the ability to find other to group with for leveling content, was not a criticism of the game although it seems some have jumped to the games defence a little to quickly. You pretty much said all that needs to be said onthe matter and going back to my first post on the topic, if there were others doing this I would come back in a second because this was one of my faveorite games. As it stands now for me, or at least the last time I played, I cannot get groups because they are either maxed, or do not want to level the traditional way and are only interested in getting to level cap. As a fresh start this makes the game a huge turnoff is all.
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Just restarted my FFXI account a short time back, I've been reliving the old days of playing! Solo, though.
It's still a fantastic game.
If everyone decides to play anew, please let me know! I'd be willing to start an new toon, or perhaps transfer my account.
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I'm updating FFXI via PlayOnline Viewer as we speak. I'll be in Vana'diel soon. This is my 10th time returning.
Let's play!
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Originally posted by FlawSGI
You're not finding people who want to lvl in the tradition way because most of them have been there and done that. If I had to crab burn my way to 75 again I would have quit after a few days. As far as what the other people have said I agree. Abyssea now is just where you farm empyreans, kinda like dynamis is where you farm relics. There is plenty of other stuff to do now. You can do legion, voidwatch, neo nyzule, neo limbus, meeble burrows, and soon neo salvage. Yes a lot of that is old content updated for the 99 cap but it's still fun. If that stuff isn't your cup of tea you can still find challenges low manning old content or even soloing some of it.
I have found on forums and moresoe in game that the people that tend to complain about abyssea the most are the people that haven't even finished it and didn't get participate in it when it was new. What many people fail to realize and say that it made noobs, is that a lot of that stuff was hard at first. Yeah briarius, glavoid, and other zone bosses/empy weapon NMs are super easy now but that wasn't the case at 80, 85, 90 cap. So now that the cap is 99 it's just another form of farming/low manning stuff.
Also people wanting to rush to lvl cap is nothing new at all. Its just a lot faster now. Instead of whining about how nobody wants to join you in your lolcrab/bird parties just get to the cap and join in all the fun most other people are having in the game nowadays.
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I personally still play FFXI and still since the begining, now alot of people who've played the game and quit, come on to these sites either to bash the game or talk about how it was and use too be.... yes there where some positive sides to the game in the begining but like all other great MMORPG's, it doesnt last. The reason behind the changes where for starters the populations was droping faster than a turd in a punch bowl. Second inorder to bring and stablize the popluation to not abandon the game they needed to make dramatic changes. I believe they were postive while still keep true to the core of the game play style and story lore.
This game will not die out, I'm pretty sure of it the community is unrelenting and unwavering in it's style, lore and entertainment. The community still continues to be the best I believe in he world of MMO gaming. Very helpful, friendly, adventuring and most importantly MATURE.
Honestly I've played a fair share of other mmorpg's during my subcription with FFXI and to tell you nothing compare with it in storlore and community. You'll enjoy yourself on it, once you find a great linkshell and there's plenty of people who are willing to hand you one.
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Jones should have won last year and shouldn't have even been nominated this year. But that's more of the UFC's fault than his.
Jones should have won last year and shouldn't have even been nominated this year. But that's more of the UFC's fault than his.
Rogan: Average college wrestler would kill Floyd Mayweather Jr.
A number of MMA fighters have been nominated for the ESPN Fighter of the Year, including Randy Couture, Quinton Rampage Jackson, Jon Jones, Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, and Georges St-Pierre.
Fighters have been nominated in two other categories as well. Frankie Edgar was nominated for the 'Upset of the Year' in 2010, and Edson Barboza was a nominee for 'Best Play' for his wheel kick knockout of Terry Etim at UFC 142. They didn't win either.
Prior to 2007, MMA fighters were ineligible for voting, as the relevant category prior to that time was Boxer of the Year, rather than the current Fighter of the Year, which covers boxing and MMA.
Winners to date in the category are:
2007: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2008: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2009: Manny Pacquiao
2010: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2011: Manny Pacquiao
2012: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2013: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
This year there are five figures up for the ESPY (Excellence in Sports Performance Yearly) in the fighter category:
Canelo Alvarez
Danny Garcia
Jon Jones
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Anderson Silva
FMJ won again, but as a point of consolation, Jon Jones would crush him like a bug. In fact, as Joe Rogan points out in an interview in the August issue of Inked magazine, a college wrestler would crush him.
"Although not considered a martial art, boxing is really a martial art. It's a very limited martial art as long as you agree to just box. It's only hands. There are no kicks; there are no takedowns. It's effective in competition, but in an actual physical fight against someone who's just a wrestler, you're going to get killed.
"Floyd Mayweather would get killed by an average college wrestler. There would be no competition. If you took Floyd Mayweather today and made him fight against your average college wrestler, that college wrestler is going to shoot on him, pick him up, drop him on his head, and knock him out. There's nothing that Floyd can do about it. He's going to get knocked out by getting slammed on his head.
"A judo guy would do the same thing to him. A jujitsu guy would strangle him, no question about it."
boxing sucks compared to mma in terms of quality now a days i dont understand why this happens every year...do that much more people watch boxing than mma?
Shouldn't Sensei Segal be up there for showing Anderson all of his winning moves? Well except the last one. Anderson screwed that up ;)

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My The law is spiritual and it is the spirit of the law that works death in us.....
Quote from: pneuma on March 07, 2009, 04:41:44 PMMy The law is spiritual and it is the spirit of the law that works death in us.....Pneuma, I would say it is the opposite. I would say it is the Spirit of the Law that works Life but that the letter is what works death. I will expound on that in my next post.Paul
Paul that depends on what death you are refering to, the letter brings death to the spirit, the spiritual law brings death to the old man, tis the second death brother, that is why it says the law is ordained onto life yet is a ministration of death and our schoolmaster that leads us to Christ.
Law of The Spirit\Life= Him Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
I am starting this topic on the Law to discuss what it is. What was abolished and how does it apply to our Christian lives and more. This is a complex subject and I hope we have patience with each other and ask God to help us in understanding this topic. First I want to say that the Law was ordained unto Life. What are your thought about that?Here is the verse:Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. Paul
Actually Tis The Law of the Spirit which worketh Life , the Letter kills ,not wishing to split hairs but theres no such text as The Spirit of the LAW.
QuoteActually Tis The Law of the Spirit which worketh Life , the Letter kills ,not wishing to split hairs but theres no such text as The Spirit of the LAW.Hi bro I agree no scripture says spirit of the law, I use that term for explianation purposes for if I just said law people would not understand which side of the law I am refering to.
woman=soul/mind bleeding . . . when a womb bleeds, it is the evidence there is no life there . . . when the bleeding stops, a seed has taken root and life is soon to be birthed.
Jesus was all about breaking their image of the law . . .and in doing so, he fulfilled the law at the same time.The woman with an issue of blood . .she broke the law as well . .. she wasn't even supposed to be there . . . people with infirmities were to be outside the gates of the city and definitely not touching another person . .but there comes a time when we need to ignore what men say law is as we become desparte for a touch of the Truth in our lives.woman=soul/mind bleeding . . . when a womb bleeds, it is the evidence there is no life there . . . when the bleeding stops, a seed has taken root and life is soon to be birthed.
Ya gotta go a little further:Rom 8:6-8 For the disposition of the flesh is death, yet the disposition of the spirit is life and peace, (7) because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able." (8) Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.God stacked the deck against Israel. He made a two way covenant with them: They promise to keep ALL the law and they will live. They fail to keep ALL the law, they die by receiving all the curses of the law.But God didn't come out and tell them they could not keep the law because they were made (by God) as flesh and flesh can't keep the law.The law came in by the way so that sin would be increasing (Romans 5:20) and the law was given to escort them to Christ (Gal.3:24).We are not under law but under Grace (Rom.6:14).
QuoteWe are not under law but under Grace (Rom.6:14).Amen, bro T...context and reconciling the whole of scripture. And yes, RLV...Jesus, the Rock of our Salvation, from which springs the wells of living waters...the grace to the nations...not letters written on stone!
We are not under law but under Grace (Rom.6:14).
To me the law is just there because people don't yet know what love is and what it means TO LOVE.Example:LAW: If you are married, do not sleep with other men.ME: I love my husband and would lay down my life for him, I love him THAT much. Of COURSE I don't need some law telling me not to sleep with other men! The thought would never even enter into my mind.The law does not apply to me, in that, LOVE has already kicked that law to the curb. It is not needed. I do not need a law that tells me to do something dishonorable to the one that I love.A lot of people get really zoned in on sin. They turn sin into a god. It's true. The law becomes some sort of god to them. How foolish. What did Jesus come here for in the first place?To show us the way.LOVE.The more you love, the less NEED you have for law.... The law is here to help us see our NEED to LEARN about LOVE.The more you love, TRULY UNSELFISHLY LOVE, the less you need someone telling you what TO DO and what NOT TO DO... it will be written on your heart.I don't see why it has to be any more complicated than that.But that's just me.I know I'm still the girl on the outside peering in...I don't know the language.and that's ok. I'm ok with that.peace.


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A few years ago, Maria Ortiz-Malte realized the money in her son's school lunch account was going faster than it should have been.
Twenty dollars would disappear by the end of the week.
"I would ask him where it went, he would say 'I don't know mom, maybe someone else — one of my friends — is using my number,'" said Ortiz-Malte, whose son is a sixth-grader at Westland Middle School.
When Ortiz-Malte went to the school to investigate, she found that it was the extra food her son was buying — ice cream, chips and other snacks — that was depleting her account.
Ortiz-Malte, and other parents with children in Montgomery County Public Schools, are joining together to see that more parents know that their children can use their lunch money not only to buy lunch, but also "a la carte" snacks. Eventually, the parents want to see some of these items and other items in vending machines that they consider to be junk food are removed from schools completely.
Two parents, Karen Devitt and Lindsey Parsons, are leading the charge. They have worked since June to develop a group they labeled Real Food for Kids — Montgomery. By announcing meetings on parent listservs over the last few months, they have gathered 75 parents from 40 schools who are willing to represent their schools in advocacy work on the issue.
Their main claim is that Montgomery parents don't know that their children have other options besides what is on the menu.
"I am appalled at the list of ingredients of these things that our children are eating," said Devitt, whose daughter is in seventh grade at Silver Spring International Middle School.
Marla Caplon, director of food and nutrition services for the school system, said she is listening to the group.
Parents will notice a change to the school lunch menu in April, as Caplon has added a blurb on the top of the menu that explains how snacks, beyond what is listed on the menu, are served. She is also creating a template for principals to send out at the beginning of the year that lets parents know what is served at their childrens' school, she said.
Devitt said she was glad to hear about the changes, but she had hoped that the wording would also include a point she said is crucial: Parents can restrict the items their children purchase by calling their child's school or the school system.
Devitt questions if the school system has intentionally left parents in the dark, because of the money the school system brings in from its sales.
Last school year, the school system's food and nutrition services fund, which is separate from its overall budget, collected about $1.42 million from a la carte sales at elementary schools and about $74,564 from vending machines. Together, that is about 2.7 percent of the department's funding.
At middle and high schools, the school system collects millions more from a la carte items, but that includes all lunch items purchased separately, such as hamburgers and french fries, Caplon said.
Caplon said the money the system collects to sell these items helps make up for the money the school system loses making and selling school meals. This school year each meal may cost about $4 to produce, while children pay between $2.50 and $2.75. For each lunch served to low-income students on a free or reduced-price meal plan last year, the system lost about 76 cents.
And as the school system attempts to make meals healthier, the costs continue to rise.
There has to be some way to make up for the funds, Caplon said.
"We have a struggle here," she said.
A la carte foods include Rice Krispies Mini Treat, baked Cheetos, reduced fat Doritos, and ice cream treats such as ice cream cups and sandwiches, shortcake bars, and a snack labeled "Fudge Frenzy." In vending machines, which are in most middle and high schools but only in staff lounges at elementary schools, students can buy the non-frozen a la carte items listed above, as well as chocolate chip cookies and other snacks.
All of the items meet the school board's nutritional standards for food and beverages served during the instructional day, such as calories from total fat below 35 percent per serving, saturated fat below 10 percent per serving, and total sugar at or below 35 percent sugar by weight, Caplon said.
When asked if Doritos are healthy, Caplon said, "Any food item eaten in moderation and occassionally is not a good or bad food."
"If you are eating Doritos and water every day for lunch, no it is not OK," Caplon said. "But occasionally, is it OK for kids to have a baked Doritos snack? Yes."
Devitt and Ortiz-Malte realize that most of the responsibility is on the parents to educate themselves and prevent their children from eating the food.
But middle school students are impulsive, Ortiz-Malte said.
Her son is so informed he is reading labels now, she said.
"But if he is offered snacks, he'll eat them," she said.
Regulating how many snacks children take at school is up to each cafeteria manager, Caplon said; the school system does not set limits. Principals select what food their school will offer, and they are the ones that make the rules about purchases, she said.
Caplon recently heard that one school principal limits children to one snack per lunch.
After Devitt presented her concerns to the school board Tuesday, board member Patricia B. O'Neill asked staff togive the board more information about the food that is served.
Devitt earlier said she was encouraged that the system is taking steps to address parent concerns.
But really, schools should get rid of their "egregious" snacks, she said.
"If you are going to have snacks, have some standards," she said.


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Marshall's Amayo finally joins team
HUNTINGTON -- Kelvin Amayo's welcome to Marshall University men's basketball was a series of two-a-day practices after the team returned from a Christmas break.
Amayo became academically eligible Dec. 20 and played for three mop-up minutes in a Dec. 22 loss at the University of Kentucky. The Thundering Herd broke for the holiday following the game and resumed its practice routine Thursday night.
Head coach Tom Herrion's welcome back gift was two-a-days for all, including the newcomer.
"The second day I called my mother and said college basketball is crazy," Amayo said. "She said to just keep working hard. I was a little tired, but then I pushed myself. I've never been a quitter."
Amayo's cameo appearance at the end of the Kentucky game was his first action since March 2011 as a prep school player. He said it helped him regain the feeling that he was part of something.
Sitting out for a year was difficult, Amayo said. He spent the last several months arriving at Cam Henderson Center before Marshall practices to get shooting work on his own. Once practice started he took a seat or went to the weight room.
He's being groomed to help Marshall (7-6) at the point guard position, which has been a revolving door this season.
Point guard prospect Kaeem Canty was denied initial freshman eligibility before the season began. All-Conference USA junior Dre Kane moved over from the shooting guard position for nine games, but has missed the last three because of a hand injury.
Sophomore Chris Martin made two starts at point guard and freshman Tamron Manning got the call in the last two.
Kane could return soon, possibly in time for the beginning of C-USA play next week, and will probably go back to his normal position.
Herrion said the 10-day break between playing Kentucky and Wednesday's home game against Delaware State (5-8) was exactly what Amayo needed.
"This has been great for him," Herrion said. "He's making progress. I think his head is spinning with (learning) the terminology and the play calls.
"It's going to be a process and he knows that."
The 6-foot-4, 210-pound freshman from Riverside, N.J., provides good backcourt size and strength along with his scoring and play making ability.
Amayo said he is a versatile point guard who passes first, then tries to score.
He can also play defense.
"I'll be defending 94-feet trying to get steals and get easy points," he said.
Amayo attended NIA Prep School in Newark, N.J., averaging 20 points, six rebounds, five assists and two steals on a 26-7 team that was ranked No. 6 nationally, and signed for the 2011-12 season with Towson University near Baltimore. Other schools recruiting him included Seton Hall, Providence and College of Charleston.
The NCAA denied Amayo's initial eligibility because of what it said was a lack of core classes at the prep school. His appeal for an NCAA eligibility waver was denied in September 2011.
He took the fall 2011 semester off after being ruled ineligible then enrolled at Marshall in January 2012. He also was forced to sit out the fall 2012 semester while getting the grades needed to become eligible.
"I chose Marshall because (Towson head coach Pat Skerry) coach Skerry and coach Herrion were good friends and I felt real comfortable here," Amayo said.
Amayo also knew Marshall sophomore forward Jamir Hanner from NIA Prep, Marshall sophomore center J.P. Kambola from their two years together at St. Benedict's Prep in Newark, N.J., and was familiar with Chris Martin from an all-star game they played in.
Amayo isn't on scholarship this year, but is in line for one next year.
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UFC on FUEL TV 8's Alex 'Bruce Leroy' Caceres planning early retirement | News
"I want to retire at 30," Caceres (8-5 MMA, 3-3 UFC) told MMAjunkie.com (UFC blog for UFC news, UFC rumors, fighter interviews and event previews/recaps). "My goal, ultimately, is to be better tomorrow than I am today. It's a growing experience as a person. I don't want to define myself as just a fighter. I don't think that we should.
"This is not it for me. If anything, this is a small stepping stone that will elevate me to my true purpose and goals in life. Fighting is just one small aspect of my life, and I choose not to define myself just with fighting."
It's an intriguing philosophical approach from the former wild child who has matured significantly during his six-fight stint in the UFC. But Caceres insists it's one he believes to the core of his being and will adhere to when the time comes.
"Most people say, 'Oh, you'll see when you're 30,'" Caceres said. "No, I know when I'm 30 I don't want to do this anymore. Fighting is for the young. Even though at 30 I'm fairly young and in my prime, while I'm in my prime there's so many other things I want to do in life. I want to go and chase those dreams, as well.
"I don't want to be all beaten up by the time I'm 35 and still trying to get one more fight. That's just not me."
It's interesting to note that Caceres' stance has been developed during the midst of a two-fight octagon win streak. Were these the words of a fighter certain for a release from the promotion, it might be understandable, but Caceres' consecutive wins are the first such back-to-back results of his UFC career.
Caceres said there's a simple explanation.
"I personally do not like fighting," Caceres said. "I like martial arts, and I love training every day. I like to teach people, and I love to learn. Fighting is just a way to show what I'm doing is correct, just and righteous, and it works so that when I teach it to people I won't be giving them bad water."
Caceres fights this weekend at UFC on FUEL TV 8, which takes place Sunday at Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan, and airs in the U.S. on Saturday night due to the time change. He meets promotional newcomer Kyung Ho Kang (11-6 MMA, 0-0 UFC) on the night's Facebook-streamed preliminary card, which precedes the evening's FUEL TV-televised main card.
A victory would give Caceres a three-fight win streak and solidify his standing as a legitimate prospect at 135 pounds with a 4-1 mark in the division. But truth be told, Caceres isn't all that interested in such talk. In his mind, there are much more important things to consider.
"It's not about winning," Caceres said. "It's the performance. That's what I've always held dear. As long as I'm getting better in every fight, that's the only goal I'm looking at. I'm not looking at goals far in the future.
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IMO, they will be reconciled to God eventually but not based on the shed blood of Jesus. Consider Heb 2:16 (Bold word by me)
16 "For it is clear that it is not the angels that he helps. Instead, he helps the descendants of Abraham." God has a plan of reconciliation for the angels - it's just not the same plan as the reconciliation of humans and we humans have no need now to know how Our Lord will accomplish this.
I don't want to be in violation of jury tampering.What happens to the angels is up to us, we will be their judge.We will decide the final out come of the angels we will pass judgment and it will be final. I'm' not sure whether members of the jury are suppose to talk about the case before starts or have deliberations already started.
I think in the end if we judge the fallen angels, we will judge them with mercy. The reason I say this is because in the end we will be like Christ. We will be holy, and without sin. We will judge on how Christs judged us. We were his enemies. Yet he died for us, I think when we go to God after the resurrection, mankind will understand this, and because we are purified God can trust us with the Judgement of fallen Angels.
Quote from: dajomaco on November 06, 2012, 06:49:37 PMI don't want to be in violation of jury tampering.What happens to the angels is up to us, we will be their judge.We will decide the final out come of the angels we will pass judgment and it will be final. I'm' not sure whether members of the jury are suppose to talk about the case before starts or have deliberations already started.Daj,You just made my day, I needed some good humor to get my attitude back into some sense of normalcy, I've been having a lousy day. After I last posted just above you, I thought of 1 Cor 6.3. I've often wondered why though. Why is God is leaving it to us to judge these rebellious spirits? I frankly don't feel qualified to judge anybody, I feel like God may be giving me a job I don't want......and now the jury pool has become polluted......great.
IMO, they will be reconciled to God eventually but not based on the shed blood of Jesus. Consider Heb 2:16 (Bold word by me)16 "For it is clear that it is not the angels that he helps. Instead, he helps the descendants of Abraham." God has a plan of reconciliation for the angels - it's just not the same plan as the reconciliation of humans and we humans have no need now to know how Our Lord will accomplish this.
And maybe that is why you would make a good judge. A judge who enjoys judging, and who believes he is worthy to be judge? Doesn't sound like a guy I would want judging others.
Sometimes I wonder if we get all too caught up in the concept of judging as in sentencing. The JUDGES of Israel LED Israel. I wonder if this judging could have more to do with leading people and angels, etc into the ALLNESS of God.
While Jesus was on the earth, He told us that something very special was going to take place at the end of the age. If it is special, it is something that we should all take notice of. At Matthew 24:14, Jesus said this: "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."This is a message to the earth from the Heavenly team; imagine that! And we are living at a time when it is vital to listen to that message, because we are near the end of this age. Since the word for "gospel" means good news, this is a message of good news.If the message were to say, "Some of you are going to be tormented in hellfire, for ever and ever", that would not be good news for some. In fact, it would be bad news.If the message were to say, "Some of you are going to have eternal death", that would not be good news for some. Once again, it would be bad news.The only message that would be good news for everyone would be Universal Salvation, eternal life for all with freewill, and every facility that would make it perfect. In other words, perfection for everyone. That would be good news.As far as Satan is concerned, the good news of Universal Salvation is the last thing that he wants to come out. At Revelation 12:9, it says of Satan: "
who deceives the whole world
" Satan is going to use every trick in the book to keep the whole world deceived. So his intentions can only be to hide the message of Universal Salvation. This is to be a huge operation worldwide. Satan will involve millions of people in deceiving others.Matthew chapter 24:24 is just one of many scriptures which tell us how Satan will continue to deceive the whole world. It says there: "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." That is no small task. Satan is going to have his own army of ministers worldwide, to hide the good news of Universal Salvation."But how is Satan going to hide God's message of Universal Salvation?"How he has always done it: by deceit. One of the ways in which he will mislead people is to get his ministers to teach an incorrect message of Universal Salvation, similar to God's message of Universal Salvation, and throw everyone into confusion. Which is exactly what is happening at this present time."Are there not prophets upon the earth today?"Yes, there are. False prophets. Let me say that again. "False Prophets", exactly as Jesus said there would be. False prophets are to be expected, in abundance. That is a sign to look out for. Do not miss it; do not be misled. Many are claiming to be prophets of God, when in actual fact, they are not."Oh, come on, now. Some of these prophets are healing and doing miracles."Indeed, they are. Just as Jesus said they would, at Matthew 24:24, "
false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." A tremendous operation by Satan. And these false prophets, with their signs and wonders, are going to increase. Their miracles are going to get harder for people not to believe. Satan will make sure of that; and for a while, the whole world will continue to be deceived. But not the elect.However, a judgment is soon to come upon the earth. And before it takes place, God will send a real prophet, one authorised by Himself; one who will have the same authorised access to the same power that was available to Jesus. Before access to the power is allowed, this prophet will be tried and tested, and must be completely educated in the correct use of the power. For the first time ever, someone from the earth will have access to the same unlimited power to which Jesus had access. Which means that, as this age is shortly coming to its close, the prophet must be living on the earth today.Amos 3:7 says: "Surely the Lord GOD does nothing Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets."That is the way God has always done things; He has always announced what is about to happen through prophets. God is orderly; He will not have different prophets speaking different things. But Satan will.The difference between Satan's prophets and God's prophet, is that Satan's prophets will be limited, whereas God's prophet will not be limited. As has already been said, he will have the same authorised access to the same power that Jesus had. In fact, from God's Temple upon the earth, made up of the living elite, greater healings will take place than Jesus ever did. And the healings will not be hit and miss. Whatever God's prophet says, will happen every time.As we are approaching the end of this age, accept no less than a prophet with unlimited power, who will be able to do anything whenever he wants to. Not just a few healings here and there; that is not good enough. There has to be a credible directional representative of God upon the earth, before the return of Jesus, for people to see, and follow.But before the authorisation to access the unlimited power comes, the good news of Universal Salvation has to be preached for a witness to all the nations. Note that the good news is preached, at this time, only as a witness to all nations, not to convert them.Satan, as he is completely under control, will fulfil all the end time prophecies. That is his job. You can count on him to stand between you and the truth. But do not forget one important thing: Satan has sacrificed his life, the same as Jesus has, to obtain Universal Salvation for all of us, including himself. What he is doing is his part in obtaining Universal Salvation."If Satan has really sacrificed his life for everyone, the same as Jesus has, tell us where it says that in the Bible."Let me show you another of God's plans; this time, superimposed upon sacrifices. And at this stage, it would be good for everyone to read the whole of Leviticus chapter 16; the reason being, that in a short article, there is not room to quote and explain the whole chapter, but only parts of it.Leviticus 16:5-10 tells us this: "5 And he shall take from the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats as a sin offering, and one ram as a burnt offering. 6 Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering, which is for himself, and make atonement for himself and for his house. 7 He shall take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 8 Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for the LORD and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the LORD's lot fell, and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness."Leviticus 16:5: "And he shall take
two kids of the goats as a sin offering
" As in any animal sacrifice to God, all animals had to be without blemish. That was the law. So here, we have two goats without blemish, which were to be for a sin offering. A sin offering is an offering that covers our natural sinful condition, and also unintentional sin; that of sinning in error, including ignorance.It is interesting to note that both goats are for a sin offering, even though only one is sacrificed by the High Priest; one is left alive. If one could do the job, why have two? In actual fact, no animal sacrifice could successfully take away sins. Hebrews 10:4 says: "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins."The principle of the sacrifice was alright; it was the blood of animals that was not a sufficient price to take sin away.In reality, the bottom line is that those literal animal sacrifices could never take people to perfection. The old Law was never designed to do that. It was only a shadow of the good things to come; as Hebrews 10:1 says: "For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect."What was necessary was a means that would not only atone for sin, but also that would remove it forever."So if the law was only a shadow of the good things to come, what were the good things to come?"Hebrews 9: 11-12 tells us: 11 "But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtain eternal redemption."Jesus was the sacrifice which redeemed all of mankind on a perpetual basis, and opened the door to perfection.The difference with Jesus' sacrifice was that it was so powerful that it not only justified the atoning of unintentional sin, it also justified the atoning of intentional sin, guaranteeing everyone a resurrection.It could do that on the basis that sinning in error or ignorance on the part of the sinner, is due to not having the correct understanding to make the right decision. Remember, we are looking at a perfect law, which must take lack of understanding into account; not to speak of being deceived by Satan, who has been allowed to deceive the whole world.However, eternal redemption is not the same as Universal Salvation. Eternal redemption gives God the right to resurrect all who are dead at any given time. Universal Salvation takes both man and spirit to a condition where they have never been before; and that is perfection, which means that Universal Salvation is over and above eternal redemption. That is why all those in the general resurrection, after being redeemed, will still be able to sin again. Unlike those in the first and earlier resurrection, who will not be able to sin again, because they have been raised incorruptible.Leviticus 16:7-9 says: "7 He (Aaron) shall take the two goats and present them before the LORD (YHWH) at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 8 Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for the LORD and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the LORD's lot fell, and offer it as a sin offering."This was the sin offering which, as a shadow, foretold of a better sacrifice: that of Jesus, who upon His resurrection, in the position of our High Priest, took His own perfect sacrifice through to the Most Holy, and presented it to God.Casting lots was not left to chance, as God was the Person overseeing it. The Hebrew word for "cast" there, means to give. And the Hebrew word for "lots" basically means stones, which were at times used in casting lots. The implication, here, is that of God giving direction. On the earth, the High Priest did not know which goat had which destiny; therefore he literally cast lots. But in Heaven, looking beyond the shadow to the reality, God did not have to cast lots; He was able to personally give each goat his destiny.Now, we have seen that one goat represented Jesus. But who was the other goat?Well, at that time, in Heaven, there were only four people: God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and Lucifer (brightness). It was not God, because He was giving the destinies to the two goats, and Jesus was one. The Holy Spirit could not be the other goat, as His destiny was to oversee the power. That left only one other person on the scene who it could be: Lucifer. And remember, at that time he was unblemished too. So although there were, at that time, four unblemished people, only two were in a position to be superimposed over animal sacrifices: Jesus and Lucifer, and both were given their destinies by God. Lucifer, once he became Satan and blemished, would have to be utterly removed. But the fact that his life was going to be taken away from him, was a sacrifice on his part.Leviticus 16:8 speaks of the second goat as the "scapegoat." The Hebrew word there is azazel, and it has been translated by some to mean an entire removal. That being so, the first goat was for Yahweh to atone for sin, and the second goat was for an entire removal. It is no good just covering sin, or being continually redeemed, only to keep sinning. What was necessary was a complete removal of sin, so that sin would be no more. And this is how a complete removal of sin was to be obtained.To redeem everyone from death, only Jesus' sacrifice was necessary; it was legal, and it justified the right to resurrect all at any given time. But to remove sin altogether, the High Priest had to sacrifice the life of the second goat in a place of no return, taking with it all sin. This gave Jesus as High Priest the right not only to raise people from the dead, but also to take them to where no man or spirit had ever been before: perfection. Sin could never return, as it had been utterly removed.Leviticus 16:10 says: "But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness."Now the blood of the first goat not only justified eternal redemption, but it also justified universal reconciliation; which, also, is not the same as Universal Salvation. All people, in the first instance, at their resurrection will become reconciled to God, because they have been redeemed and atoned for. They will be in the same position that Adam and Eve were in to start with - sinless, but not perfect. Man has to be reconciled to God before perfection can take place. But at this stage, they will still be able to sin again (except, once again, those in the first resurrection) and, therefore, will be able to become unreconciled to God.What is necessary for Universal Salvation, is for our High Priest to make sure that everyone can never sin again. This is where the second sacrifice comes into play. The first sacrifice covered all sin, including that of Satan and the demons; and was love in action, doing what was in the best interests of others. The second sacrifice was also love in action, because it too, did what was in the best interests of others. It allowed Jesus, as High Priest, to remove sin forever.Atonement has already been made by the first goat. But while still alive, the second goat is presented before the LORD, to make atonement upon it. Some believe that means that atonement was made for azazel, and some translate it "to atone over.""But why is that necessary, if the first sacrifice covers all sins?"It is not necessary. Therefore the second sacrifice can not be to cover sins that have already been covered; it could only be for the right to remove sin altogether. The first goat was to atone for sin. The second goat was so that our High Priest, Jesus, could utterly remove it.Notice what happens to the second goat when atonement has been made upon it. Leviticus 16:10 tells us: "
and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness."Leviticus 16:20-22 says this: 20 "And when he has made an end of atoning for the Holy Place, the tabernacle of meeting, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat. 21 Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, confess over it all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions, concerning all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and shall send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a suitable man. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to an uninhabited land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness."Can you see what the High Priest did?He confessed over it all iniquities, all transgressions, and all sins, which, as Jesus, He had already atoned for. That takes into account everything that constitutes the breaking of God's law, whether unintentional or deliberate. And the goat is sent away into the wilderness. Remember that the second goat, azazel, was for an entire removal, and its cargo was sin. It was carrying away sin forever, to a place of no return.Here is the point: once Satan had sinned, he would have to lose his life. And the fact that it was a sacrifice meant that it became a legal price, allowing Jesus to utterly remove him from the office of Satan forever, and at the same time, removing the possibility of God allowing sin ever again. In fact, it makes it legally impossible for God to allow sin ever again.Satan's sacrifice signifies the impossibility of sin returning, ever. Sin started with Satan, and it finished with Satan. He sacrificed his life to show everyone the other side of the coin; and at his death in the lake of fire, the sacrifice of his life made sure that sin could never return.Jesus paid the price to redeem him, not as Satan, but as God's sinless anointed cherub.And the two sacrifices together meant Universal Salvation - Perfection for all.Satan being entirely removed, and sin being entirely removed with him, makes Universal Salvation possible, which was God's plan from the very beginning. That is why we always use capitals for Universal Salvation, because God Himself is Universal Salvation; nothing less. When you are speaking of Universal Salvation, you are speaking of God.Sin started with Satan, and will end with him when he is cast into the lake of fire, carrying away sin forever. Sin can never return from the lake of fire. Satan was a necessary evil, taken on by God's anointed cherub, who was only doing what he had been anointed to do in the first place. He was protecting God's interests."You are saying, then, that sin ends when Satan is cast into the lake of fire, carrying sin away with him, never to return again?"Yes."So what is the lake of fire? And can God really bring all the people in there, out again?"Be sure to read next month's article, "Universal Salvation! The Lake of Fire Part One."
Quote from: eaglesway on December 13, 2012, 10:23:55 PMSometimes I wonder if we get all too caught up in the concept of judging as in sentencing. The JUDGES of Israel LED Israel. I wonder if this judging could have more to do with leading people and angels, etc into the ALLNESS of God.I looked up the Greek word krino in Strong's, it seems to imply quite strongly that judging angels will be done in terms that will include punishment, that's a pretty harsh sense of the word. You look it up, tell us what you think in light of the fact that it was the duty of judges in Israel to lead the people, presumably by example. If this is our job description in judging angels, I won't mind it, it would be a lot like raising kids all over again I guess, or training people how to work in my business so we can all make a living working together, both are the greatest pursuits God has ever given me, that's what I want in my future beyond this life, "get evenism" mentality has never been where I'm at.
Quote from: Paul L on December 13, 2012, 11:47:00 PMQuote from: eaglesway on December 13, 2012, 10:23:55 PMSometimes I wonder if we get all too caught up in the concept of judging as in sentencing. The JUDGES of Israel LED Israel. I wonder if this judging could have more to do with leading people and angels, etc into the ALLNESS of God.I looked up the Greek word krino in Strong's, it seems to imply quite strongly that judging angels will be done in terms that will include punishment, that's a pretty harsh sense of the word. You look it up, tell us what you think in light of the fact that it was the duty of judges in Israel to lead the people, presumably by example. If this is our job description in judging angels, I won't mind it, it would be a lot like raising kids all over again I guess, or training people how to work in my business so we can all make a living working together, both are the greatest pursuits God has ever given me, that's what I want in my future beyond this life, "get evenism" mentality has never been where I'm at.I have looked at every use of krino in the scriptures. Krino, kolassis.... these are words that have perhaps been translated according to the theology of the translators- perhaps not, but, in looking at the diverse applications of krino, krisis, diakrino etc. I think there is some room to speculate :o), which is all I am doing. As I see it tho, the lake of fire is this judgment by/among the saints..... the false prophet and the beast are to be "punished" (perhaps "corrected" is suitable) in the presence of God and His holy messengers/angels. Remember Paul taught that if a brother is caught in a sin that those who were "spiritual among you" should restore such a one in a spirit of meekness. Jesus taught the "process" of one witness, two witnesses, then "the whole assembly" in dealing with transgressors from within the kingdom. Then we see in revelations, "and I saw thrones and the tribunal was set and I saw the face of the One before whom heaven and earth fled away"- speaking of the removing of veils- and then, "know ye not that ye shall judge angels"- being a discussion about resolving mutually contested disputes before men- not being about "sentencing". "The word of God is quick and active and sharper than any two edged sword dividing asunder.......for all things are open(nothing is hidden) to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do"(hebrews 4)"Every hidden thing will be brought to light"- Jesus"Every thing that is brought to the light becomes light"- Paul(Eph somewhere)"In that day I will slay Leviathan the twissting fleeing serpent with the sword of my mouth.....In that day SING OF IT A VINEYARD" Isaiah 27"Every man (pas -all) will be salted with fire and every sacrifice(believers) will be seasoned with salt"- Jesus"His eyes were as flames of fire"-John"Every man's works will be tested with fire, for the DAY WILL REVEAL IT" 1 Cor 3"I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, Depart from me you lawless ones, into the fire prepared for the devil and his angels"- JesusI think the lake of fire is symbolic language for immersion of the rebellious in "the fire of God" which is the LIGHT that consumes DARKNESS- which I believe(in the presence of God and His holy messengers) could be some kind of "court" more like an "intervention" where th family of God all shine togehter until the last adversary bows the knee to the wisdom of God in Christ(that the wisdom of God might be made known through the church to the principalities and powers-"the Bride coming down out of heaven, outside are the sorcerers , etc"....."Come let us go unto the mountain of the house of the Lord to behold the beauty of the Lord and learn His ways"....The Spirit and the Bride say Come, let every one who thirsts drink freely......Eph 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.The ministry of reconciliation will extend into the ages to come and the warfare will be fought in the spirit of reconciliation- not saying that there is no punishment, just saying that it will be way more "educational correction" than what we see out of fundamentalistic reading and interpretation of English translations. The "hidden wisdom" Paul speaks of in 1 Cor 2 is that Christ "disarmed the pricipalities and powers thourgh the cross making an open display of His triumph". The victory was that He laid down His life ot forgive, to redeem, to reconcile, to restore ALL- and that is the victory of the OVERCOMERS who, as Messiah says, "will sit with me on the Father's throne", and "inherit all things". "katakrino" is the one that seems to be about "sentencing" or "rendering a judgment" and I like this use of it.Who is he that condemns(katakrino)? Christ Jesus, who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.I am presenting all this as food for thought , not as some new systematic theology- but I think it is within the circles of the target somewhere, or I wouldnt share it :o)
author=eaglesway link=topic=10791.msg146188#msg146188 date=1355441744]eilikrinés: judged by sunlight, unalloyed, pure from heile and krino(tested)Original Word: εἰλικρινής, έςPart of Speech: AdjectiveTransliteration: eilikrinésPhonetic Spelling: (i-lik-ree-nace')Short Definition: pure, uncontaminated, sincereDefinition: (originally: unmixed), pure, uncontaminated, sincere."Know you not that we shall judge(krino) angels"?krinó: to judge, decideOriginal Word: κρίνωPart of Speech: VerbTransliteration: krinóPhonetic Spelling: (kree'-no)Short Definition: I judge, decide, think goodDefinition: (a) I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, I decide, I think (it) good.Here I think the word judge is about making accurate discernments of things, since the object of the example was disputes at law between brothers-i. e. testing, which holds up alright with the stuff I posted above (I Think It Good ;o)
Hi there,Sorry i am new LOL No I did not write this, i should have been clearer when I mentioned I copy and pasted this. It is from another author, however I think he makes some good points. Hope it helps to some! Will remeber the copy and paste rule for a latter discussion


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TOPEKA, Kan. — Imogene Whetsell, 92, of Topeka, Kansas, formerly of Davin, passed away Saturday, December 29, 2012, at her home.
Born February 10, 1920, in Tipple, she was a daughter of the late Jesse Crockett and Gertrude Hill Brooks. Also preceding her in death was a brother, Jesse B. Brooks, and a sister, Doris Brooks Cozort.
In 1942 Imogene married Cabel Greer at Pineville, and they were blessed with two children but were later divorced. She married Watson Ramey of St. Paul, Va., in 1957 and they were blessed with one child but Watson preceded her in death in 1972. In 1974 she married Newton Bailey of Castlewood, Va., who passed away in 1978. Imogene married Robert Whetsell in 1980 and they settled in Davin, where they became members of the Greenbranch Freewill Baptist Church at Man. After Robert's death in 1985, she continued to reside at Davin until 2007 when she moved to Topeka where she was cared for by her daughter, Rose Mooneyham. While living in Topeka, she attended Topeka Bible Church when she was able.
Those left to cherish her memory include two sons, Stanley Greer of Springfield, Mo., and Jerry (Pat Clisso) Ramey of Norton, Va.; one daughter, Rose (David) Mooneyham of Topeka; 10 step-children; six grandchildren, and many great-grandchildren, nieces, and nephews.
Services will be held at 11 a.m. Saturday, January 5, at the Greenbranch Freewill Baptist Church at Man with Rev. Roland Cook and Brother Robert Perry officiating. Burial will follow in Highland Memory Gardens at Godby.
Visitation will be from 6-9 p.m. Friday at the church.
Condolences may be left at www.krantzmcneelyfuneralhome.com
Flowers may be sent to Krantz-McNeely Funeral Home, 115 Market St., Man, WV 25635, 304-583-6582.
Arrangements have been entrusted to the care of the Krantz-McNeely Funeral Home at Man.


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Thread: Humor me for a moment...
May 1st, 2013 03:48 PM #6
May 1st, 2013 03:56 PM #8
The first thing I thought of was Lucy Chamomile.alyssa ϟ 23 ϟ usa ϟ name lover
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May 1st, 2013 03:56 PM #10
And yes, I have heard the -mile pronunciation, but everyone I know pronounces it cam-o-meel as well.
I guess it's similar to the aluminum/aluminium differentiation. Same thing, different spellings and pronunciations.Top Names: Benedict Zeal & Noelle Geneva
Olivia/Livy : Darah/Bethel : Eve/Verity
Eli/Calvin: Luke/Zane: Levi/Phineas
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Chamomile is lovely. It is sweet and whimsical, familiar enough, the eye might see Camille, but aside from that I think it's so nice in the middle spot. It makes me think of something like Calico...it really works, but it makes most of the names that I like sound like they could belong to Beatrix Potter characters or something so I tread lightly!
Maude is a good pair in length & vibe, but all of the Ms trip me up a bit.
I think longer fns work fine too
Ruth Chamomile
Lydia Chamomile
Beatrice Chamomile
Diana Chamomile
Catherine Chamomile
Eve Chamomile
Edith Chamomile
Elena Chamomile
Frances Chamomile
Ingrid Chamomile
Julia Chamomile
Lorna Chamomile
Loretta Chamomile
Penelope Chamomile
Ramona Chamomile
Susanna Chamomile
Zelda Chamomile
I would steer clear of anything botanical or nature names
May 1st, 2013 04:03 PM #14
It sounds weird to me. I'm pretty adventurous but I just think of tea when I hear chamomile. I think it has sort of a medicinal sound and doesn't sound pleasant as a name.Mrs. H.
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