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Long before "American Idol" and "The Voice," there was "Star Search." Sawyer Brown won for vocal group when the program debuted in 1983.
"When that show came out, which is 30 years ago now, there wasn't anything like that on the air," Gregg "Hobie" Hubbard recalled. "We only did the audition to get the videotape to pitch to get work.
"We in no way thought they were going to pick a band from Nashville, so we put no pressure on ourselves. And then when we got picked and then were out in L.A. a week later, we literally just focused on — there were about 110 people in the audience at the taping, and we focused on them like it was a live show, kind of oblivious to what television was going to be like, what that meant to be thrown into several million living rooms.
"So once the show was done, it was suddenly like a whirlwind that people knew who we were, knew a little bit about the music," the keyboardist said.
The band swept up fans with a slew of hits: "Step That Step," "Used to Blue," "This Missin' You Heart of Mine," "The Race Is On," "The Dirt Road," "Some Girls Do," "All These Years," "Thank God For You," "This Time," "Treat Her Right," "Drive Me Wild."
Talk about an amazing batting average: Out of 53 singles, Sawyer Brown hit Billboard's Hot Country Songs 51 times.
"The thought for us was the same: We're going to make the best music we can for us at any given moment, and the chips will fall as they will," Hubbard said. "We were pretty hardheaded in our belief, and we knew what worked for us because we were always on the road. We saw what people were responding to, so we just tried to make the music that stayed true to us."
In 2011, the group released "Travelin' Band." That title track is a history of the group: "They were searchin' for stars when we came along/ It was rock 'n' roll in a country song/ There were five us thinking that we can/ This is the life and times of a travelin' band."
"I can't be objective on that song," Hubbard said and laughed during a call from Nashville. "It's one of my favorite things that Mark [Miller, lead singer] has ever written because it really is us in about four minutes.
"I think it gives you a glimpse into what that ride has been like, and then also it's a great opportunity for us to say thank you to the people who made this ride possible, which is everybody who has listened to the music."
Fans can catch Sawyer Brown — Hubbard, Miller, drummer Joe Smyth, guitarist Shayne Hill and bassist Jim Scholten — at 7:30 p.m. March 7 at the Ritz Theatre in Tiffin. Tickets range from $30 to $60.
"I love to go see live music myself. You get that real sense of a connection between whoever's on stage and whoever's in the audience," Hubbard said.
"With all the great things that technology has done in this world, nothing can replicate what it's like to see something live whether it's theater or music. There's something about that; you can't digitize that."
Tags: American Idol, Billboard's Hot Country Songs, Nashville, Ritz Theatre in Tiffin, Sawyer Brown, Star Search, The Voice


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Paul Vunak says he can't touch Dan Inosanto
I just don't understand this ****. Seems like everybody who has ever ever did a seminar with Dan Inosanto all the way up to his full instructors in any art he teaches claim he is friggin' untouchable. Let's assume for a moment that this in fact true, what does that tell us? Does Dan Inosanto's ass age like wine? Does everyone else, including guys like paul vunak, ron balicki and rick tucci suck that hard? Is this whole thing a marketing plot? Enlighten me I have a lot of respect for the guy, but I just can't believe all this nuthugging
Isn't Paul Vunak that guy who has advertisements in the magazines that go something like this? :
"You may not know who Paul Vunak is, but all of the 'insiders' sure do. He teaches navy seals, and he can teach you how to be DEADLY DEADLY DEADLY! .......... All you have to do is learn eight moves."
If so, I'd be inclined to take whatever he says with a grain of salt.
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Paul Vunak is a RBSD and JKD instructor, and for the most part is well respected. He also has a number of IMO pragmatic videos on the topic of knife fighting.
As for Dan Inosanto, I heard he once round house kicked Chuck Norris, and Chuck Norris actually flinched.Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
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Paul Vunak is Dan Inosanto's student. Dan is his guro.
Of course he's going to say that. My own teacher could be in a wheel chair on a ventilator & he'd still kick my ass with one word.
Seriously, the pseudoskepticism of some of you idiots makes me wonder what they put in the water these days.
Paul's good, Dan's better. I crossed hands with him once at a seminar; I was shift-working at the time and sleep deprived, so dared to "spar" a bit during a demo. He wrapped me up and took me down without looking at me and while continuing to talk to the rest of the class. Humbled, was I.
I can't touch my teacher,
and he can't touch his. . .
that makes me think we can't get enough experience these days
to improve our art directly, and only theoretically do we grow.
My teacher fought in the streets daily just to get to his Chinatown class.
His teacher lived with the master, and inherited a lot of direct personal
training from the master that never went further.
Are we watering-down our arts, just because we do not fight/battle/war?
Live sparring helps, but does not replace the crucible of fighting an opponent
in a real situation.
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--Originally Posted by han090
like I could get to the teacher's level sooner or later.
I did get pretty close, and in two cases, I could spar
with my teachers, and actually trade with them.
Not this teacher.
The more I learn, the further I have to go.
Yet, I am about as far from my teacher as most of the
students in his advanced class are from me. And, some
of them started before me, and a few at the same time
as I did.
My students are what helps me to grow further, but, I
still cannot trade hands on the same level as my teacher.
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Originally posted by BMBender
I don't down play the fact that mechanics change, it just simply isn't a factor. An mmos mechanics 5 years from now has nothing to do with my judgement of the game when it was first released. All that matters is what it is at the current point in time when you are taking a look at it. We can make assumptions all day long on what it might be, or will be or what not, but that will not always come true. Again it's simply a non factor.
If the game is interesting, you will come back to look at any new mechanics that are added. If the initial mechanics where not good enough, chances are you will forget the game altogether. This means I still find the mechanics are the most important part either way.
Your last paragraph, is not true. Game looks have nothing to do with holding a story together. When a person reads a book do you think they picture the same thing as another person who read it? Both people can picture entirely different idea and art styles for a scene in a book and it will work no matter what. This is why books work well with or with out pictures. Now on the other hand, if your talking about setting, that would be true. However, that has very little to do with the art style. You can have the same setting in cartoon or realistic form and it really wouldn't make any difference at all to the setting or story itself.
The looks have nothing to do with objectives desired of mechanics. No matter the art style or looks, really doesn't effect this. Not sure how you came up with that. Unless I am misunderstanding what you mean.
Conceptual theme does play a large part in looks, but that really doesn't say much. I mean it's pretty obvious the game looks need to be related to it's theme. That is like not even worth mentioning as it didn't really add anything to your point.
As for common reference point ... I really have no idea what this has to do with looks. I mean what common reference point are we even talking about? I am a afraid you will have to be a lot more specific on this point as that can mean so many different things.
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Originally posted by fistorm
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the difference between art style vs graphics in this thread.
People seem to get a real hard-on when you show them a screenshot with shiny armor and sun shining through trees, but other than that the ESO screenshot doesn't offer much that hasn't been done in other games graphically.
The EQ:N screenshot seems underwhelming at first glance until you start to notice the subtleties: the smokey haze in the cavern that masks the detail in the background, the heat distortion, the burning embers floating around and the burnt out embers falling to the ground as ash.
Also the two screen shots provided by the OP are two completely different environments, so lets compare similar enviroments:
EQ:N Forest Screen:
ESO Lava Lands:
EQ:N Lava:
So the EQ:N forest has the same rays of sun shining through the trees but more than that is the feeling of actually being in a forest: The haze of humidity and the sun cutting through the haze, the sunlight being tinted green as it passes through the canopy of the trees, the open area beyond the forest being washed out by the sudden brightness of full sunlight, the light illuminating the tops of trees making them appear to be a brighter green than the underside of the trees.
The ESO lava really seems bland in comparison(specifically the lava flow coming down the hill which looks like something you would see in WoW) to the EQ:N lava since the only real effect it seems to have on the evironment is an unrealistic glow. On the other hand the EQ:N screen shows the same subtleties I already mentioned: heat distortion, embers both burning and burnt-out and the smokey haze.
Really it comes down to a difference of art style and clearly EQ:N has the superior graphics. As a PS2 player I can confidently state that the Forgelight Engine can be absolutely beautiful and as EQ:N continues to be polished it will absolutely blow ESO away graphically. So please don't confuse art style and graphics as they are two completely different entities.
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The EQN screen shot looks far more appealing to me anyways. I like exaggerated features in gaming. If I want things to look like the do in real life, all I need to do is look around me.
Though the OP's point is well taken, and approaching true. ESO does have good graphics. It's just too bad that everything else about the game is simply your standard every day ordinary MMORPG. I loved the ESO single player games and really wanted to like this game, but nothing I have seen or heard about does anything at all for me. It's my loss though. I envy people who are so into this game and wish I felt the same way.
Originally posted by uggeh12
That has got to be the most biased comparisons I have ever heard to then end up claiming EQN has better graphics. You just said it yourself to not confuse art style with graphics, yet you are doing that in the same post. Such as the lava comparison. Eye candy isn't always better. You have to remember, EQN is a more colorful type of game in comparison to ESO. The light rays are in ESO as well, just not as aggressive.
I can continue to point out all the errors in your comparisons, however, it becomes very obvious you have no clue when you compare any of these graphics to WoW. I don't even think WoW is slightly able to be compared graphic wise to either of these games.
Here is a good picture of ESO using all the same effects just to a lesser extent since it's going for a more realistic look.
http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/10/Elder-Scrolls-Online-Flame-Atronach.jpg (Keep in mind it's an older picture, things probably look even better now.)
From a visual perspective, both engines have fairly decent graphics. Which is actually better is too hard to tell at this point.
Few last things to keep in mind is EQN is in very early development stages. Almost concept level. Any company can make a visually appealing presentation and take visually appealing pictures from a game. As for ESO, we don't know if these pictures are even done with the highest possible settings. Really, you should take all these things into consideration when trying to state which is better.
As I said before though, it's really a dumb argument. Both are fairly good either way, there really shouldn't be any reason to even compare graphics at all.
Art style is an entirely different matter, and that is simply based on preference.
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
Wasn't it obvious from my post why I was listing single player games? No? I'll spell it out: hardware is not changing as quickly and drastically today as it was changing 10 years ago. The idea that attempts at photorealism using the best available PC hardware "don't age well" is a left-over notion from the days when the desktop PC hardware industry was changing quickly. Single-player, multiplayer... same hardware. Even something as neat and cutting edge as an Oculus Rift, has nothing to do with enhancing photorealism...it's just a monitor strapped to your head.
If anything that extra "hardware" consideration that dictates how far an MMO can go vs. what a single player game can do, bandwidth, is even more stagnant. The last 5 years hasn't been about going faster and faster. It has been about making the same Cable/DSL 20-30 Mbit speeds more accessible and widespread.
If you haven't noticed, the past little while has been all about tablets and cell-phone HW, integrated graphics for low power consumption in tablets and notebooks and cellular data stream speeds--none of which have anything to do with what a home desktop PC can render.
Originally posted by Agoden
Nothing wrong with it being your preference. I don't have an anti-cartoon bias...quite the opposite. But it's not an "ages better because HW in 5 years will make today's photorealism look sick." It's an artistic decision that is neither better nor worse - it just is. It appeals to some and not others.
Southpark could have gone with FF-like CGI you know...but they didn't and their style works well for them.
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Originally posted by Caldrin
hmm, the OP must disagree. It's all a matter of opinion when it comes right down to it. You should go post a topic in the AoC forum that it's the best! It would be a battle unlike any other seen or discussed on this forum. OOH-RAH!
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Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Sorry but... Elder Scrolls looks NOTHING like in those screenshots in the real game.
I just saw 5 long video leaks. Mid settings.. and OH BOY.
If that was anyway representative... Elder Scrolls Online is THE singlemost ugly MMO I have EVER seen.
Sorry. I was such a fan, from the screenshots. But the REAL game... Grey, grey and oh look more grey and brown. 1000 hobos dressed in grey sackcloth, MINDLESS hackfest... OMG OMG OMG...
I am still in shock over how BAD the game looks in real. And it't NOT because some idiot turned it all down to low.
Sorry... I just feel sick simply watching it. ALl days I ranted against EQN disney and pro TESO... but seeing this converted me. Like totally,. Better colourful Disney than this overly depressing GREYfest. It was like all life and colour had been drained and sucked out of the world. How did they even DO those high rez screenshots which... look like a totally different game, for heavens sake!
I am so gonna get bashed for this...
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Originally posted by Elikal
1. Don't get so caught-up in the hype and you won't be so disappointed.
2. I saw the same videos - 1600 X 900 @ Medium preset is ugly. Period. I play everything at 1920 X 1200 Ultra... I'll just have to wait and see what it really looks like with my usual settings.
3. Muted earth tones is TES. If you've ever actually played any TES games without visual mods, you'd know that (as I said way back in post # 63 of this thread.) They've never been known for "pretty" nor "photorealism."
4. No reason to bash you: you believed the hype in this thread and now you know better... Welcome back to reality.
PS: just saw your new thread in the EQN forum. Cya back here when the next thing in EQN pisses you off lol.
Personally, I've always liked them both. I don't need to bash one to like the other one. I guess I'm a polygamerist.
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Originally posted by Ticklepink
Ultima online was a mmorpg and some very strong and great RP comminutes where built there. Whole city's where build races created ( even though races were apart of the game. ) there were allot of freedoms in that game.
I know most of the current generation my not have play UO but it was unlike most standard games
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personally, if i am going to play a game like EQN that is supposedly more like a simulated world than it is a video game, i would think having realistic graphics would be much more fitting and immersive for that type of world.
nevermind everquest having cartoon graphics is no different than if TESO had cartoon graphics, it just doesn't fit either franchise.
Originally posted by Elikal
Ya, I saw the same videos as well. Medium is not high. If i remember correctly they said they are going to have the graphics in TESO scale pretty far so lower end users are able to play as well. Do you know what that means? That means, that there can be a very large difference in graphic quality between medium and high. I said it in my last post, and you ignored it. I said, don't jump to conclusions based on pictures and videos that are not at the highest settings.
As for the tones of the game, it looks exactly like any TES game I ever played. You must not be familiar with the series very well if the tones of the world surprised you.
As for a mindless hackf fest, I already told you on the other forum, it is like that because they are spamming the freaking attack button and really not doing anything else. What else do you expect when someone plays a game like that? Last but no least, the combat is pretty much like passed TES games, so again, you must not have ever played a TES game. In this case, what the heck where you even expecting?
Again converted this and converted that, why the heck can't you simply wait for BOTH! It really isn't that hard to do you know, you do not have to choose either or. Wahhh this is bettter .... wahhhh no this is better ... wahhh no this has to many greys! .. .wahhh no this is tooo colorful!. Give me a freaken break here >.>
Why do the screenshots look so different? Because the settings scale the games graphics pretty far compared to most games. TERA has a really good example of this. If you put that game at the lowest graphics, it's one of the ugliest games ever. Medium it look like any other game. At High the game looks amazing. I imagine it's going to be somewhat the same for TESO. If you want ALL the eye candy, you are probably going to need a somewhat decent computer.
As for bashing, no I am not bashing you entirely, instead, please try to be a little more realistic. Your expectations of TESO obviously through you way off. Again, I really am not sure what you where expecting.
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I hope it's just video recording problem. Because to be honest, I'm not all that impress about the game play demo video.
And I dont' know about you. But having a bad PC to use for an official live demo is werid, so I'm not sure it is a good excuse.
I'm not bashing TESO. I'm just saying the graphic in the live demo look nothing like those in the screenshot.
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"Discussion is impossible with someone who claims not to seek the truth, but already to possess it."
I really don't understand what problems people have.
There are two games on their way, one you like and praise and one you hate and bash in every thread. Aren't you happy you have choice. It could be worse, you could have no choice at all. Just pick the graphics you like and be happy.
No complaining will change the direction that developers chose.
And lots of people have problems with using tough words like realistic and stylized. So many people mess those up. Realism is not in high resolution textures. The second the game abandons full color pallette and goes with all gray it becomes stylized.
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Originally posted by Mr.Kujo
You sir win this thread....
I think the OP is more like "I like the graphics of game X therefore all games should look like game X"... I say, stick with game X and don't bother with trying to convince the world that game Y is bad.
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How about reserving judgement until release? ESO's grittier look is certainly far more appealing to me than what little I have seen of EQN, but there is no doubt that SOE have come up with some interesting concepts that will quite literally change the gaming landscape. And what's wrong with a little variety? After a few hours in Tamriel on my Khajiit, a quick foray into Norrath with a cartoon Kerran might be just what the doctor ordered.
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I finally managed to watch the new footage in 1080p quality. I think it looks a lot like Skyrim, only a bit more colourful and with less polygons. You have to consider that the game probably still lacks most of the shaders. I think the gameplay looks pretty generic but for beta footage the graphics look flawless. At least you can say that the art design looks like The Elder Scrolls and is not alienating its players with graphics that look like Disney or the Clone Wars TV-series, like EQN does.
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Originally posted by Vidir
First, no one voted you spokesman for the players and what they want. Second, having realistic art style and playing to escape reality are two different things. Both games offer escape-magic is real, you fight monster, etc=escape. Everyone has the right to their opinion on what art style they prefer and the right to post it here on forum. Don't see how anyone is wrong with their preference, so argument seems kind of pointless about it.
That said, I would've preferred a more realistic art style with EQN and they could have and still kept the gfx reasonable to play on lower systems or do destructables (as art style has nothing to do with gfx use, but they want the WoW crowd and if we want to play EQN for all their new, interesting features, we will have to accept it.
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Originally posted by ropenice
I was about to ask if anyone has ever met an Elf in person lol. I thought i was escaping from reality with just about any game regardless of the graphics or art direction :-).
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Cuts through metal great for fabricating
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I have used Milwaukee almost exclusively. My sawzall was getting old and decided to try this one. It is much heavier than my Milwaukee but it sure does cut fast! Very smooth action and easy blade changes. I haven't used it very long yet, but so far I think it was a good investment.
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We originally purchase was a Milwaukee 6538-21 15 Amp Super Sawzall Orbital Recip Saw. After exchanging with multiple replacement units as the switch appeared to be defective, it was brought to my attention from their Engineering Staff that the switch was not defective; it's an inherent design issue (flaw). Feel free to read my comments regarding that particular tool.
Due to the fact we (company) now owned both tools, I can give an honest opinion between the two. The two Milwaukee saws were returned as of the Makita's purchase.
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1) Both tools are powerful and will get just about any job done there's a major design flaw with the Milwaukee variable speed control so if you're deciding between the two and controllability with variability is a concern, hands down, the Makita tool wins. THIS is the reason why the Milwaukee saws were returned for refund. Once again, read my Milwaukee 6538-21 review which posts a video of the issue as well. Don't ever plan to use the Milwaukee for say cutting aluminum trim where you need to start slow and controlled. For me, predictability and knowing that when I want to start a tool slow and steady, I can. Even changing the blade can be a challenge if you're trying to forward the motor to "stick-out" the blade lock for easier change.
2) I prefer the swivel aspect of the Milwaukee tool. It's a nice benefits that in rare instances you need to rotate the blade 90 degrees (handle actually), it's there. This is one of those nice to have features but not mandatory. Some may look at this being negative (for those half empty folks), more moving parts to fail.
3) There is a slight difference between vibration of the Makita saw (which its name implies "AVT, anti-vibration-technology"), it does live up to the name and is has a much smoother feel during use. If you're using it for long periods of time, this can be a life saver on your wrists and forearms, and in my case being almost 45 the beginnings of arthritis setting in!
4) Makita's placement of controls appears to have a better thought-out design and (in time) may be more durable. For example, the orbital slide-lever adjustment on the Milwaukee is plastic and sits at the top 12 o'clock position of the head. Makita's lever switch is recessed and on the side (easier to switch too). If you're wearing gloves, the Makita's switch will be easier to adjust. Due to location and design, Milwaukee's orbital switch is unprotected from objects hitting the slide-lever; I can see it breaking off rather easily. On a side note, the Milwaukee saw, I found it rather difficult to slide between positions with the two that I originally purchased.
5) The Makita tool is slightly quieter (may be due to the fact the motor spins at a slightly slower rate.
6) Milwaukee's warranty is better being 5 years vs. 1 year for Makita. I believe both would last a very long time under hard use so hopefully warranty work is not necessary for either tool.
The fluffy comments:
1) I like the appearance of Milwaukee tools better...never been a fan of the Makita color. Not really a flaw...it's their identifying color.
2) Milwaukee's case is blow-molded plastic; Makita's is sheet-formed metal. Which is better, that is a personal choice. A plastic case crack, metal bends and can be fixed. Metal cases you have to be more careful with if you're laying it on a surface that may scratch easier. They can be slightly heavier. The case size of the Makita's is larger which is MUCH nicer whereas adding accessories in the case vs. separately is a plus.
In a nutshell, the Makita 1.24" AVT saw met all of needs, overall it's a better design and performs better due to the variable switch control.
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This saw is rugged and cuts really fast. Good for demo work.
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TINMOUTH Cary Otakar Fischer of Tinmouth died on March 26, 2013, after a brief illness, at age 86.
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Mr. Fischer graduated from Stanford University in California, and worked for several years as a freelance journalist. He reported from Budapest during the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. During his career as a political scientist in Washington D.C., he worked for the State Department under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, taught at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), and was an editor of the U.S. State Departments periodical, Problems of Communism. He moved to New York City in 1969 and worked at the Harper & Row publishing house as an editor of Eastern European dissident literature. He later taught history and political science at the City University of New Yorks John Jay College of Criminal Justice. After the Velvet Revolution of 1989, Mr. Fischer returned frequently to the Czech Republic and acted as an inofficial political consultant to members often old friends of the new democratic government of Václav Havel.
In 1965, he bought a farmhouse in Tinmouth, and lived in Vermont permanently for the last twenty years.
In his youth, Mr. Fischer was an avid skier and tennis player, and throughout his life he was a connoisseur of fine food and a true companion of several dogs and cats.
He is survived by his devoted wife of twenty years, Sidonia Fischer, of Tinmouth; his daughter, Eva Gonova, of Essex Junction; his son, Jan Otakar Fischer, of Berlin, Germany (his child from a first marriage); his granddaughter, Sonja Fischer, of Berlin, Germany; and his sister, Helena Wulsin, of Geneva, Switzerland.
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I had severe pre-e and IUGR with my son. He was born in September 2012. I am now 10 weeks pregnant.
On Friday, I started getting a really bad headache. Felt very much like the headaches I had when I had pre-e. I took my blood pressure. It was 158/86. (Prior to this, it had been normal.) I called the OB. They told me to call back if it got to 160/100...otherwise, just come in at my next appointment in 3 weeks. My headache lasted the rest of the day. I laid on the couch the rest of the day and took it easy. My BP went down within a couple of hours.
Driving home yesterday, I started seeing bright lights and floaters and stars in my vision. It was so bad, I considered pulling over. I was literally fixing to turn into my neighborhood, so just drove home. Within a few minutes of being home, my vision was so blurry and I was seeing so many floaters, that I basically could not see at all. I took my BP 148/99. I ate something, laid on the couch and started feeling better. My BP went back down, but I got a headache that is still today (23 hours later) bothering me!
I can't get through at my Ob's office so I faxed them a message (in writing) telling them the problems I was having . Nothing. No return phone call. I have very little faith in them so today I made an appointment with another OB, but can't get in until Friday. Any advice? Thoughts? Opinions?
Why do I have normal (even low) BP when I am not pregnant, but I get knocked up and up, up, up it goes?
I know this can't be pre-e yet...maybe PIH or chronic hypertension.
The only thing saving my sanity is that my husband is a physician, although his specialty is about as far in the opposite direction from this as is possible. He thinks that I might need to be on BP meds. Also, he thinks maybe this is exacerbated either by low blood sugar or working out. Both times I had been working out before this happened and I have had some symptoms a few times that seems like low blood sugar...of course, I don't know because I didn't have a blood sugar machine around to test it. Again, any thoughts or advice?
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CONCORD, Mass. Early on Wednesday, March 13, 2013, Katherine Theresa Rushford died. She was one of a kind.
Born October 22, 1928, she was the youngest of five children born to Mary Beatrice MacDonald and James (Barney) Boyle of Saugus, Massachusetts, and spent much time with her horses and developing what would be a lifelong love of animals.
Kathy grew up in Saugus with her siblings James Bernard, Margaret Louise, Mary Thelma, and Dorothy Marie.
After attending Colby Sawyer College, she moved to Washington, D.C., where she met Don Rushford of Burlington, VT. They were married in 1954 and were very active participants in local religious events.
Together, living in Virginia then Vermont, Kathy and Don raised nine children. Her legacy lives on in them and their families: daughter and son-in-law Beth and Mark Fernald and grandchildren Matthew and Katie of Peterborough, N.H.; son and daughter-in-law Yetta and Janet Rushford of Potomac, MD, and grandchildren Courtney and Kyle; son and daughter-in-law Peter and Susan Rushford of Potomac, MD, and grandchildren Carly and Jack; son Tom Rushford of Falls Church, VA; son and daughter-in-law Tim and Faith Rushford and grandchildren Connor and Ben; daughter Martha Rushford and grandchildren Sam, Emily and Brian; daughter and son-in-law Jennifer and Michael Stone and grandchildren Jamie, Nicholas and Tim; daughter and son-in-law Meg and Rich Pickering and grandchildren Alex and Gracie; son and daughter- in-law Matthew and Julieta Rushford and grandson Storm; and adopted daughter and son-in-law Christine and Neil Henricksen and grandchildren Brian and Jason.
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official website: datarock.no
31.08.2007Tilly and The Wall - 'Kiss Off' G
jtv: Members from the US indie-pop group bring their tattoos and tap shoes to cover The Violent Femmes classic for Top Shelf.
Play Tilly and The Wall - 'Kiss Off'» (03min:56sec)
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triple j blog: Splendour In The Grass 07
24.08.2007Ben Lee - 'Thrash Unreal' G
jtv: One of Australia's favourite pop singers, Ben Lee is such a fan of US punk-rock band Against Me that he produced a whole album of acoustic covers. Here's Ben's cover of the band's latest single.
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jtv comp: Armageddon Ready For The End
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audio: Ben Lee J File
14.08.2007Hot Chip - 'Graceland' G
jtv XL: The electro-pop powerhouse go acoustic for the 1980s Paul Simon classic.
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gallery: Big Day Out (Syd) 07
3.08.2007Emma Donovan and Radical Son - 'The Dead Heart' G
jtv: Emma Donovan and friend, Radical Son were invited into Top Shelf and they teamed up to perform this Midnight Oil classic, 'The Dead Heart' .
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official website: emmadonovan.com
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27.07.2007Regina Spektor - 'Real Love' G
jtv: The NY based songstress serenades Robbie with a John Lennon song and a grand piano in an empty concert hall.
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gallery: ABC Eugene Goossens Hall, July 07
gallery: The Tivoli (Brisbane), July 07
album review: Begin To Hope (2006)
6.07.2007Robbie hugs J Mascis G
Dinosaur Jr came in for Like A Version this week, and Robbie insisted on giving reticent J Masics a big bear hug after finally making it through the LAV session where he played Tom Petty's 'A Change Of Heart'.
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gallery: Top Shelf guests
audio: Dinosaur Jr mixtape
official website: dinosaurjr.com
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jtv: The Sydney hip hop trio comprising MC Trey, Nick Toth and triple j's very own Maya Jupiter cover the 1996 hip hop single by Nas featuring Lauryn Hill of The Fugees.
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29.06.2007Dappled Cities Fly - 'More Than A Woman' G
The boys from the Sydney band seem to have no trouble hitting the high notes in this Bee Gees classic for Zan Rowe and Like A Version.
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gallery: The Annandale Hotel (Syd), June 06
26.06.2007Dallas Crane - 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' G
jtv XL: Dallas Crane is a Melbourne four-piece that have been kicking around the music scene for more than a decade. They were invited in for Like A Version and covered a Kylie Minogue favourite.
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gallery: The Metro Theatre (Sydney), March 05
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21.06.2007Saosin -'Time After Time' G
The 'post-hardcore' five piece from California were invited in for Like A Version and performed the Cyndi Lauper 1980s classic.
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15.06.2007Plan B - 'Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before' G
The London rapper proves he can actually sing as well as rap. He covers The Smiths for Like A Version.
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8.06.2007After The Fall - 'Only The Good Die Young' G
The punk rock band from the NSW Central Coast, After The Fall performing the 1970's classic pop track from Billy Joel for Zan Rowe and Like A Version.
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gallery: Splendour In The Grass 05
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25.05.2007Snowman - 'Strange Fruit' G
jtv: Andy and Joe, one half of Perth indie-rock band bring a bit of mood to the Like A Version arena to perform Billie Holiday's classic protest song.
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official website: thesnowmanempire.com
15.05.2007Lou Rhodes - 'Satellite' G
jtv XL: One half of the band Lamb performs a very gorgeous version of the Elliott Smith song 'Satellite" in Zan Rowe's studio.
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official website: infinitebloom.com
audio(mp3, 9MB): Lou interviewed by Mel, July 06
4.05.2007Nouvelle Vague - 'Human Fly' G
The bossanova cover band travel from France to Australia to bring their gorgeous accents to a post-punk 'Ever Fallen In Love' by The Buzzcocks.
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jtv video: Nouvelle Vague - 'Ever Fallen In Love'
gallery: V Festival (Syd) March 06
official website: nouvellesvagues.com
1.05.2007Nouvelle Vague - 'Ever Fallen In Love' G
jtv XL: The bossanova cover band travel from France to Australia to bring their gorgeous accents to a post-punk 'Ever Fallen In Love' by The Buzzcocks.
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gallery: V Festival (Syd) March 06
official website: nouvellesvagues.com
27.04.2007Ben Kweller - 'God Only Knows' G
jtv: Ben Kweller takes on what could be one of the greatest ballads ever written by The Beach Boys on Zan Rowe's last ever Like A Version.
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20.04.2007Little Barrie - 'White Light/White Heat' G
jtv: The UK 3-piece played homage to Velvet Underground with this Like A Version in studio with Zan Rowe.
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official website: littlebarrie.com
13.04.2007The Cops - 'A Horse With No Name' G
jtv: The Sydney indie group were invited by Zan to do a Like A Version and came up with this awesome cover of this classic track by America.
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6.04.2007Peter and Bjorn - 'Me And Julio Down By The School Yard' G
jtv: Peter & Bjorn show up without John to chat to Zan Rowe on Mornings and to Swede up the Paul Simons classic.
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gallery: Laneway Festival 06 (Brisb)
gallery: Laneway Festival 06 (Syd)
9.03.2007Yo La Tengo - 'Beautiful World' G
jtv: In Australia for the St Jerome's Laneway festivals, New Jersey's beloved indie-rock pioneers and cover kings, Yo La Tengo, take on a Devo classic for Zan Rowe and Like a Version.
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audio: Yo La Tengo mixtape
gallery: Yo La Tengo, Laneway Festival (Melb) 07
9.03.2007Behind Crimson Eyes - 'I Touch Myself' G
The Melbourne based punk trio play a cover 1991 track made famous by Chrissie Amphlett for the Divinyls. Hosted by Mel Bampton.
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gallery: Ampt Festival 06 (Melb)
gallery: Come Togetgher 06 (Syd)
2.03.2007CW Stoneking - '7 Nation Army' G
jtv: The Melbourne based blues artist gives The White Stripes a run for their money with his version of '7 Nation Army'.
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23.02.2007Something For Kate - 'Rock The Casbah' G
jtv: The Sydney band play Mel Bampton's last ever Like A Version and 'Rock The Casbah' by The Clash!
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17.11.2006Midnight Juggernauts - 'Ça Plane Pour Moi' G
jtv: Melbourne's electro-rock-dance outfit, Midnight Juggernauts try their hand at a bit of French in covering Plastic Bertrand's 1970s sing-a-long classic!
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Mel In The Morning blog: Midnight Juggernauts - Genres of huh?
gallery: Parklife Festival, Sydney, Oct 06
official website: midnightjuggernauts.com
10.11.2006Muph & Plutonic - 'Once In A Lifetime' G
jtv: The Melbourne hip-hop act keep the flag flying high for Oz hip-hop, performing this version of the Talking Heads classic.
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3.11.2006Bob Evans - 'Beautiful To Me' G
jtv: Off the back of winning his first ever ARIA for Best Adult Contemporary Album, Bob Evans (aka Kevin Mitchell from Jebediah) covers fellow West Australians, Little Birdy.
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audio: Bob Evans co-host with Zan Rowe
audio (mp3, 2MB): Bob Evans interviewed by Caroline Tran, Jun 06
27.10.2006Urge Overkill - 'Hello There' G
jtv: The Chicago rockers came into Mel In The Mornings to perform a cover of the Cheap Trick song.
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20.10.2006Gomez - 'Breakfast In America' G
jtv: A hungover Ian and Ben from Gomez take the Like a Version challenge, performing the Supertramp track 'Breakfast in America'.
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17.10.2006The Resurrectors - 'Last Nite' G
jtv XL: Sydney 9 piece dub reggae outfit, The Resurrectors, comprise an eclectic mix of local talent and musicians from Barbados, South Africa, England and New Zealand. Six of the band's players come into the triple j for Like a Version and give The Strokes' 'Last Nite' a dub reggae stylin'.
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13.10.2006Blue King Brown - 'You Don't Love Me (No No No)' G
jtv: The Melbourne roots group bring some reggae flavour to Mel's Like a Version covering a classic track from Dawn Penn - a Jamaican reggae vocalist who has been recording since the late 60's.
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3.10.2006Pony Up! - 'An Honest Mistake' M
jtv XL: The Canadian all-girl indie-pop band perform a sweet and soft version of The Bravery's song.
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jtv: Macromantics sticks with her hip hop roots as she covers Kris Kross' 'Jump'.
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1.09.2006Custom Kings - 'Boys Of Summer'
jtv: Don Henley's 'Boys of Summer' has never sounded so good. The recipe? The Custom Kings, a double bass, a ukulele and Like a Version.
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25.08.2006Johnny Boy - 'Sheena Is A Punk Rocker'
jtv: The London group gives a very punk performance mashing up The Ramones classic track and Shirley Ellis clapping song.
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11.08.2006The Bellrays - 'Highway to Hell'
jtv: LA group, The Bellrays, knew how to please an Australian audience when they belted out a great rendition of this classic AC/DC track for Like A Version. The band features frontwoman Lisa Kekaula (you might know her from Basement Jaxx).
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official website: thebellrays.com
4.08.2006Koolism - 'Sign O' The Times'
jtv: After dramas with flight delays and missing equipment, Koolism's, Hau, DanielSan and a special guest put their minds together to still come up with a great Like A Version of the classic 1980s Prince track.
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gallery: Koolism, The Metro Theatre (Syd), 04.03.06


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MMORPG.com's Jaime Skelton uses her Player Perspectives column this week to talk about the darker side of the role-playing sub-culture in MMOs.
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Yeah, role players can be some real prima donnas. It's important to find a role-playing group that you fit in with which can be hard if you don't already know somebody in a group. Just walking up and inserting yourself into a group's roleplay can be seen as rude, and more likely than not they are just going to ignore you. Most large roleplay guilds will have a webpage with rules and lore and some sort of application process. It's almost always easier to start roleplaying on the forums before moving on to the in-game RP.
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I rarely met any of the extreme RP variety. I seem to have been received well even when I got PUGed into raids etc. with RP guilds by simply using 'ooc' or () to denote out of character. Maybe it is easier for me as a general non-RPer because thw two things I DO like to do are to come up with a story for my characters and read missions texts (depends on game tho i admit).
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There's several levels of awesome in this article.
'Many times, guilds only role-play with themselves in haughty disdain for the rest of the people on the server, all in the ideal they are trying to, "rescue role-playing" on the server. In reality, they're doing quite the opposite, turning away others to feel better about themselves.'
Great stuff, and oh so true
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I've been in some "Light RP" guilds and the experience was usually fun. I've seldom seen annoying nitpicking, the warnings were usually about stuff that's outright designed to be immersion breaking - like giving your character a celebrity name (or a famous vampire character's name in a medieval fantasy setting). And whenever I had a hard time keeping up with the RP, the other players usually helped me out with it while sternly managing to stay in character - the saves they came up with were oftentimes absolutely hilarious!
So I would recommend people who are hesitant about the whole experience to find a "light" or "casual" RP guild. You do have some bad stuff out in the world", but it's nowhere as bad as I've experienced on, say, PVP servers. And the good stuff can be priceless. :)
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Wow, that's a bit paranoid. Maybe I just haven't run across any of these people yet. I work in theatre so role-playing in an MMO is pretty second nature to me-doing adventures ' in character' is simply the way I do them. Although the whole 'third person' thing (Liltawen is morose and sits on a log) freaks me out a bit. I realize it is from the old desk-top RP days but still. One of the reasons why I like MMOs in fact.
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Too much paranoia and generalization to take this opinion piece very seriously. Sure, we've all seen some degree of this stuff but this level of analysis borders dangerously on the negligent and prejudicial side of things.
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An interesting article.
But has already been stated, or will be repeatedly in the future, I believe that you either have terrible luck, or you are hanging out with with a really bad group of them.
I have seem some very, very dedicated RP'ers who, even if they don't approve of your approach or the rules you break, are exceptionally mature. I've found some very hardcore RP'ers who share all of the traits you describe, except the poor attitude and pettiness.
I assume you have mostly been RP'ing in WoW or LotRo?
Immature, simplified games filled with immature, simplistic people are bound to produce immature roleplayers.
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lol its article make me remember my days when I played RFonline, no Role Players there, but all the hate griefing and drama you describe as there XD, so its still make wonder? what is the diference of the RP over the non-RP?
none all are people who have nothing else to do.... just exist to annoy you, I guess it was a reason for me to love pvp games, I kil the moron and move on, if he come back kill him again XD, nothing like make a kid thrown a tantrum for you killing him, and don't forget the block XD
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Originally posted by Coldren
Maybe you've just been lucky, because I find everything that the OP said to be a pretty accurate presentation of the Role Playing cliques I've encountered through the years. It's not always that way, but as far as generalizations go, it's a fair representation.
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I really would not include your so called rule breakers in the role play community. I don't see any form of role play in your description of said group.
I have worked with some very dedicated role play groups in SWG and Wow in the past and found that vast majority fall in the casual group. The hardcore are usually so few that they usually end up with the casual group just to have someone to roleplay with.
I'd pop into a roleplay group any day in the week rather than groups over those that haggle over who has more dps.
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With 12ish years of MMO's and many different MMO's under my belt I'd have to say that this article is pretty dead on lol.
While there are some casual groups that have been alright they are out weighed by the bad by to much lol.
2 groups you didn't list though and those are the ones that irritate me the most.
ERP'rs (Erotic Role Players) and Furries (Erotic Role Players that like to pretend they are animals)
both should have gotten some attention in the article because those 2 groups have brought the most bad publicity on to RP'ing in MMO's.
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Originally posted by GrayGhost79
I agree.
They ought to be mentioned too especially bc of the OOC (Out of Character) drama and added emotional involvement (which often leads to more drama) that often accompanies those crowds. A lot of those people often pose as 'true roleplayers' while they're in reality only busy with the ERP.
And yes, it's not only doom & misery in the RP communities - there are many creative RP guilds and great roleplayers to encounter - but what the article describes is regularly occurring too.
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Urgle blurgle geflurgle.
Agree with Grey and Cyphers, ERPers cause ructions wherever they pop up.
I played on a RP server in WoW the whole time I played the game and was always in RP guilds.
One I left because of a combination of an ERP-ing dolt (who was also an utter drama queen) and the hardcore RP strutting on the forums done by a few of the members (threatening to report players, going on and on and oooonnnnn about RP "rules" etc.). I learned from that guild that I'm neither a hardcore nor a rule-breaker. Also, I was in the guild for a year, and found it really really hard to break into the main clique. The main clique ran dungeons together and raided together so not being in with them meant pugging. Always felt "on the outside" as it were. Eventually I realised I just didn't care about fitting in or being in with the in-crowd and /gquit.
The guild I stuck with the longest (and the one which made me stick playing WoW for longer than I should have) was a raid-progressing RP guild. There were RP events, and whenever you ran into guildies there'd be a bit of RP going on, but no-one screamed rules at you and no-one god-moded anything. It was relaxed and laid back. They were one of the top raiding guilds on the server too, so there was always people to run a dungeon with, or raid with, and everyone got to play how they wanted. Very very good people.
It really seems to come down to luck, you can be put off RP for life by hardcores or god-moders, but if you fall in with a laid back bunch then you can have a really great game experience.
I had forgotten about all the RP rules nonsense from WoW until this morning, when I was playing FE and someone was using brackets in Region chat. A couple of players asked what was up with that, and I realised what it was. I mean, seriously? Brackets in region chat? That's like using brackets in trade on WoW, just OTT and superfluous. But then that's my opinion, and I'm sure there's many a hardcore would disagree with me. One of my RL friends prefixes every /w in WoW with "ooc:" which got on my nerves a bit too. I tend to confine my RP to /say /em and the guild RP channel. Whispers, team/group chat and global channels are all fair game for non-RP stuff as far as I'm concerned.
So yeah, I'm softcore....but I can really see where you were coming from with that article Jaime, people who think RP-ers are all unicorns and rainbows should spend some time around certain types of them.
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Here hoping this RP piece doesn't grab the hostility the last one did a while back that portrayed all RPers in a negative light. This one is somewhat more...diplomatic(?) but still...
I used to be all for RP in MMOs. Seeing that it is hardly supported by game mechanics these days I've just went back to keeping it in my table-top D&D and Shadowrun gaming.
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Damn now I have that Living Colour song stuck in my head...
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A good article, Jamie, but like others who have already posted, I wonder if maybe you have just had some rotten luck.
I've been in a number of RP guilds, most of which would be considered "hard core" but none of which have ever been critical or "nazi-like" about it. They've welcomed both non-RPers and folks new to RP happily and been mature and friendly about handling sticky situations - and as another poster stated, some of the "saves" have been positively hilarious.
Depending on the game, I can be 'hard core' or 'casual' about my RP - it also depends on my mood that day, but I am also careful not to ruin others' immersion as a matter of courtesy - but I don't demand that others do the same for me. *shrug* I enjoy RP, as do my guildmates, but I and others understand it's not everyone's cup of tea.
As with any subset of players, though, you're bound to run into jerks...just please don't lump us all into the "elitist jerk" category, if you don't mind. ;)
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I await your identical articlse about the other radicals of player population: The achievers, min-maxers, financial maniacs, gltchers/exploiters, and the people who bring their RL hate into the game.
Oh, and the people who only post in forums when they disagree with something. (snrk)
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I'm a roleplayer. I've been roleplaying long before my first MMO... Met many wonderfull people this way. A few of those RP jerks you talk about.
I do agree its as full of action as any social group...Even moreso because roleplaying is a deeply social and sometimes too personal of a game. Roleplaying is indeed as you said something of a "cult" or... a closed circle. Sometimes its really hard to get in (even when they "invite" people in by gatherings or social events) those circles as most of the time those circles have one or two elitists in them.
Still most longterm roleplayers are a bit elitist (gods know i'm sometimes like that... ) but there are things that are hard to tolarate... Especialy people that intentionaly break the lore to mock roleplayers... For all you non roleplayers imagine some noob team-kiling you all the time just out of pure malice... Or because he is SO NOOBISH that he doesn't know who to shoot. It can get on ones nervers.
The whole problem with this "cult-like" behavior is the lack of tolerance for roleplayers. People not only mock us because of it but sometimes (more often then you think) they just break our fun out of pure malice, like goig to our gathering just to spam some idiocy... Or jump around our "camp" breaking the immersion... Thats why rolplayers cut themselves from most of the MMO society when they roleplay.
Still we stay open to people... The overwhelming mejority of us are open to new roleplayers and the mostly enjoyed type of roleplay is the random encounter with someone that roleplays while grinding... or just standing next to a quest giver. Nothing more fun then meeting a new roleplayer. :) Surprise RP FTW!
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"You don't give to get. You give to give. Anything else isn't giving. It is barter." - D.
Another thing I've found in-game roleplaying to mimic the real life roleplaying. Remember the little group of play-friends you had as a child? Remember how there were usually one or two of the group that were the "deciders"? They alway seemed to be the one to appoint the roles. They were always the mom/dad/hero/boss and you were always the child/minion/villain/victim? Th best solution? Don't play with them. I have seen some of the rabid types mentioned in the article. I laugh at them and move on. Because they *need* control and there is no way to change that behaviour. Just like the bossy, bullying children, they *need* to have their way to feed their own egos.
Playing (of any kind, not just role) with others involves thinking about how you impact them, and how they impact you. To be successful, there has to be give and take. And just like real life, you must remember that the relationship may not take the exact direction you wish it to. If the people you are playing with are reasonable and mature (keywords, here) then RP can be fun and a good break from the mundane reality. If you end up with the kind of RP'ers described in this story, it can be more stress/drama/grief than it is worth.
As for ERP? Meh. Lots do it. It doesn't bother me. I can play along, or no, whatever trips their trigger (but sometimes they can be incredibly surprised at how bizarre that trip can be... hahaha... especially fun when RPing two characters at once).
My main hobby is writing. I love plot twists. RP is a lot like writing in a present, ongoing tense, but doing it collaboratively. Not always easy. But it can be fun, and a great creative outlet. :)
Very good story, Jamie. You bring up a lot of interest points. If you ever get to Liberty server in CoH, you can 'meet' my little 'family' (but only over the summer, *sigh* - the rest of the year I am chained in a cave surrounded by books). I promise I am not cliquish at all and I won't show up with ears and tail looking for love. :P


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Rock Climbing Injury: Elbow: Medial Tendonosis
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You take pain with the valor of a freedom fighter! (Or are they peace keepers? Depends on which side you're on, I suppose.) And I like your persistence.
There are variations on medial epicondylosis. The same muscles or biomechanics are not always involved. Hence the exercises and angles can be quite different. Are you doing both the pronator teres and flexor carpi ulnaris exercises? Have you tried changing the elbow angle to better target the painful area?
Cortisone may temporarily placate the condition (or not) and will certainly further feed the rapacious pharmaceutical industry. Long-term use is not recommended for many reasons, including that it is not a solution.
I have never actually referred someone for surgery for this condition (assuming the diagnosis is correct). I only know two people who have actually had surgery. Both regretted the decision—the first because he subsequently saw me for his other elbow and my program provided a safer and faster solution, and the second person because the surgeon inadvertently (and irreparably) sliced through the ulna nerve, causing more weakness than death itself. At least after dying you would have the benefit of rigor mortis.
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