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I wish this had been around when I got my iPhone back in August. Although, I had just switched to a mac from a pc, so the switch to the iPhone wasn't too bad.
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More and more people are switching to the iPhone. They're switching from Palm and Windows Mobile and even Blackberry (looking at you, Barack Obama!) smartphones to the iPhone. They're switching carriers to get the iPhone. They're switching off the carrier-locks just to be able to switch to the iPhone in their own, currently unsupported countries. And now that the next-gen iPhone 3G is all but upon us, and more and more regions are announcing deals to offer it, the switching is only going to get faster and more furious.
To celebrate the switchers, those who dare to phone different, the iPhone Blog wants to help you get your content off your old, perhaps restrictive and outdates systems, and onto iTunes, ready to sync to your new iPhone.
Read on to find out how!
This article assumes you're switching from another smartphone, like Blackberry, Windows Mobile, or Palm, and are new to the iTunes + iPod (and iPhone!) ecosystem. It also assumes you're a dedicated Windows user or someone who just recently switched from Windows to the Mac and needs to transfer content to iTunes.
Since longtime iPod (and Mac) aficionados will almost certainly already be using iTunes, your iPhone will sync your existing iTunes content the same as it would any other iPod. And, hey, if you're a Linux (or any other *nix) user, I figure you've kept your content open from the get-go, and already know 18 different ways to get it onto your unlocked, jailbroken iPhone...
Getting iTunes
iTunes is a free download from apple.com and required before you can activate your retail iPhone. (And if your iPhone is unlocked, required before you can easily manage and sync content). If you don't already have it, go get it now. I'll wait. Honest.
Making the Most of Your Music
When you're moving to the iPhone and iTunes ecosystem, the first and easiest content to move over is your digital music (stuff you've already bought, ripped from CD, or created yourself).
Moving MP3s and WMAs
First, we have to address the monster in the room -- DRM, which technically stands for Digital (Copy) Rights Management, though Draconian Restrictive Measures may be more accurate. It's a way of locking down content ostensibly to prevent piracy but often to frustrate legitimate users. For now, if you bought music from an online store like MSN Music, Yahoo Music, Zune Marketplace, etc. it's almost certainly got DRM that will prevent you from easily moving it to iTunes. Don't worry, I'll cover ways to work around it (for legitimate purposes only!) at the end of the article.
If your music is already DRM-free you're good to go and in an iTunes/iPhone supported format like MP3, just drag it over and drop it in (or choose File - Add to Library for you old school menu-lovers). For DRM-free/unprotected WMA (Windows Media Audio, the native format of Windows Media Player) music, while iTunes won't play it, it will automatically convert it to an iTunes-friendly format for you. (See Ripping CDs, below, for details on how to chose iTunes conversion formats).
I recommend letting iTunes manage your library via Edit - Preferences - Advanced - General - Keep iTunes Music Organized and Copy files to iTunes Music folder when adding to library.
This puts your content into a logical file structure so you can more easily find individual files later with Windows Explorer, avoids wasting space with duplicate content, and prevents iTunes from losing track of something you added (for example off a USB drive) but forgot to copy locally.
Ripping CDs
If your music is on CD, iTunes will rip it straight to either MP3 or AAC (the successor to MP3 which has less support but arguably greater potential quality). Unless you're tone deaf, I recommend ripping to at least 256 bit. You can set this via Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Importing - Import Using and Setting (Custom).
Buying Music Online
Want to buy music for you iPhone? iTunes is the #1 retailer now and provides nearly effortless browsing and purchasing options. Just hit the iTunes Store link in the sidebar and find what you like. For reason's we'll get into in a moment, I heavily recommend buying only iTunes Plus music, which is the higher, 256 bit quality and DRM-free.
Though Apple CEO Steve Jobs has famously said iTunes would rather sell only DRM-free music, currently, EMI and independent labels are the only source of iTunes plus music. Sadly, to try and manipulate and fragment the market, Universal, Sony BMG, and Warner Music will only provide higher-quality, DRM-free music to iTunes competitors like Amazon MP3. But if you live in the US -- or when/if they expand the service internationally -- Amazon MP3 provides an iTunes friendly, if slightly more challenging to navigate, source for legit iPhone-compatible music.
Doing Your Best With Video
Unlike music, where MP3 is a pseudo-standard, CD ripping is mostly legal, and DRM is increasingly on the way out, video formats are far more fragmented, DVD ripping is mostly verboten, and DRM shows no signs of going anywhere anytime soon.
Moving MP4s, AVIs, WMVs, FLVs, Etc.
If you've shot your own videos, DVR'd, or otherwise created or acquired DRM-free video content, it's only slightly more difficult to move them to iTunes than it is music. The "slightly" part being format. With a wide variety of containers, codecs, and the need to get both audio and video into exactly the right zen-like balance, using something like the free Videora iPhone converter for Windows or iSquint for Mac (or similar application) is almost a must. Open your existing video file, choose the iPhone setting, and let it convert.
Unless you have a fast machine, get a tasty beverage because it will take a while. And make sure you test a sample first, to prevent wasting a lot of time if your settings are off.
Already have, or already converted video content? Drag it into iTunes same as you did your music.
(Note: since iTunes doesn't store video-type meta data in the video file itself, but rather in the iTunes database, if you want to have movies, TV shows, and music videos all filed in the right place, you'll have to individually set them in each file's properties under the Video tab.)
Ripping DVDs
Unlike music, where various "fair use" provisions exist that allow, in many jurisdictions, for you to rip your CDs to your computer, the DVD lobby has succeeded in making DVD ripping illegal in many parts -- the reason iTunes doesn't provide that type of functionality itself.
If, however, you live in a place (or mindset?) that says when you legally buy a movie or TV show on DVD, you should be able to watch it regardless of whether its stays on a disk or moves to your hard drive, then open source software like Handbrake is your best friend. Handbrake will rip most DVDs straight to iPhone format, and add them to iTunes, in just a couple easy steps (navigate to your DVDs video directory, select the iPhone default, and let it rip!).
Bonus tip: make sure, especially when dealing with older movies, full screen movies, or TV shows, that you preview the video and choose de-interlace when necessary to prevent nasty scan-lines from showing up on your digitized video.
Buying Videos
Depending on what country you live in, iTunes provides movie rentals and downloadable movies, music videos, and TV shows. These are DRM-locked (see below) but perfectly compatible with the iPhone. Selection varies greatly from region to region, and some networks -- most famously NBC -- don't see eye to eye with Apple's less anti-consumer model, but until Apple unleashes its own DVR, this is the easiest way to get legit video on your iPhone.
Other Content
Big audio book fan? If you got them from Audible, simply go to Advanced - Authorize Audible Account, input your details, and drag-and-drop your audio books straight into iTunes.
Love podcasts, like our very own Phone Different podcast? Subscribe directly from the iTunes Store (or from the Subscribe via iTunes link from your favorite podcast's homepage). They're free, come in audio and video (even HD!) and download straight into iTunes. While you're there, be sure to check out iTunes University (also under the iTunes Store) for loads of free, and highly educational audio and video, from lectures to speeches to commencement addresses.
Dealing with DRM-Hell
Now for the hard part. If you previously bought music locked down with DRM, especially the more onerous DRM systems like PlaysForSure (or in MSN Music's case, PlaysNoMore!), there's a little more work involved.
The Problem With DRM
What's wrong with DRM? It does nothing to prevent real pirates (many of whom mass-produce content on boats in international waters or distribute online via massive criminal networks) and everything to frustrate regular, legitimate users who just want to upgrade their computers or move their content from one device or room to another.
We've all read the stories, from Google Video to Major League Baseball, to MSN Music. People, in good faith, spend their hard-earned money to buy the content they love, only to later get notification that the service they chose, from the vendors they trusted, will no longer "authorize" them to play back that content.
Imagine Tower Records going out of business and some men in black showing up to re-possess all the CDs and LPs (yes, we're old enough to remember LPs, thank you!) that you ever bought from that store.
Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? But with digital content it's happened before and will happen again. Windows Media Player has also been known to automatically DRM music you rip from your own CDs if you're not paying attention to the preference settings. So, if you're stuck with previously bought or ripped DRM music, what can you do?
The Analog Hole
While from time to time DRM-stripping applications show up on the web, most DRM services are bound by their contracts with the big media companies to update the DRM as quickly as possible to render any circumvention obsolete. This makes DRM-stripping unreliable.
A more dependable, although technically "lossy" solution (i.e. some loss of quality will occur, though it will likely be negligible to all but audiophiles), is the infamous "analog hole".
For music, simply use your old software (e.g. Window Media Player) to burn your DRM-locked WMA (or other format) music to playable CDs, and then use iTunes to rip those CDs back into digital format (preferably MP3).
Voila, the music you paid for, now ready for the device you chose to use it on.
Video is more of a challenge. If you're an advanced user and have a Media Center PC (or two PCs, depending), with analog output and input, you can try routing your DRM-locked video out and back in, re-recording it like you would a VHS tape or analog cable TV signal. Provided you could then navigate the "black art" of video and audio containers and codecs, using something like the aforementioned Videora, for example, you could convert the captured video into iTunes/iPhone friendly MP4 H.264 format.
Advanced Capture
Even more advanced users willing to brave challenges like hardware acceleration and video layers? Capture software like CamStudio might let you avoid the digital-analog-digital loop. Your mileage, however -- and frustration level -- will vary.
An Ounce of Prevention
While Apple has among the most progressive DRM systems on the market, with the ability to sync any number of iPods to your iTunes, and authorize up to 5 computers to play your DRM-locked content (and the ability to call Apple for one-time re-downloads and re-authorizations should something go wrong), it's vital to remember to BACK UP you iTunes content. USB hard drives are now ridiculously cheap and ridiculously big, so get one and copy everything to it, and update the copy regularly.
Also, burn playable CDs of all DRM-locked music and rip them back into iTunes so that, in case of system loss, re-install, or other catastrophic problems, you don't have to worry about getting locked out of your own music.
Well, there they are, my tips and tricks for getting your content off the old and outdated and onto iTunes just in time for your brand new iPhone. But try as I might, I know our readers -- the real content ninjas -- have a whole host of sneaky black magic all their own.
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Switching to iPhone: How To Get Your Content Into iTunes - Wait-a-Thon!
@Wally Fraser:
Thanks and if there's anything particular you'd like covered in the future, please let us know!
Although it will probably solved after 3rd-party apps become available, is there currently any easy way to store documents (Word/Excel) to the phone (as opposed to a 3rd party web-app like Google Docs)??
Did I miss it how about contacts that was the part that confused my wife when she switched. I could have missed it if it was in there I mostly skimmed through it as I already know must of it.
Great post!
Last week I was rent a film in iTS, it's pretty cool!
I absolutely love iTunes. I have a BB Curve and transferring media might not be as swift as the iPhone but it was really simple to transfer my media.
I love the podcast and download it everytime, i read this blog often during the day. thanks for the always interesting content and observations on the upcoming feeding frenzy!
Thanks, it is good see the basic iTunes content but I agree with burnsaa, what about the smartphone info like contacts & tasks? I currently use a Palm Treo and I am curious how I can get the Tasks or To Dos functionality on the iPhone along with office documents, password safe, list managers (SplashShopper) etc.
Nice article... and the wait-a-thon is a cool idea!
This article was expressly about media content (audio and video) and iTunes, but if PIM content and Outlook are popular requests (and it looks like they are) we can certainly look into covering that in a future article!
Since I already had several iPods before getting an iPhone, getting music on my phone was no problem. Video is also a breeze. I love being able to rent movies for plane flights. Synching Contacts with Outlook is a bit more problematic as the sync process has a few quirks in it (synching changes back up from the iPhone messes up the desktop Contact records in my Outlook 2007).
Anyway, Wait-a-Thon!
Good advice on ripping DVD's and converting to iTunes format. I was looking for something that did this all in one program since before I was using a seperate converter and ripper and neither worked that great.
Can anyone suggest a converter that will convert PSP compatable video's to iPhone compatable video's? Thanks!
@burnsaa - iTunes syncs perfectly with Outlook in Windows and Address Book on the mac
Nice, where was this guide back in Feb. when I could have used it... ?
I had tried using DRM capable MP3 players but grew very tired of them. The ease of using the iphone along with itunes is fantastic. DRM is very problematic
Great post; you might also want to add DVD Decrypter to the list of helpful video apps.
I really didn't like iTunes when I switched to OSX. Foobar was pretty much everything I needed when I used windows.
But iTunes is imho the best podcast downloader out there.
Concerning the music part: I got used to it and pretty much like it now :)
I'll be switching from a Palm Treo 700p when the 3G iPhone finally rolls out but since I'm a Mac user and iPod owner I'm already set up in iTunes, iCal, Safari and Address Book. The only thing I've got to do to switch is get rid of my Verizon contract, thank goodness for data overages! :D
I used to get almost all my music through iTunes. Now, I'm kind of split between Amazon MP3 and iTunes, but I usually choose whatever source has the music and if both, which one is selling without all the DRM nonsense (i.e. iTunes Plus or everything at Amazon MP3)
Switch, a ETF is worth it. The iPhone is great.
Nice review, the software to convert videos was an application that I didn't knew about.
Great info. Thanks for all the help.
I have used a Palm/Treo since my fist Palm III in '99. I tried a WM device a few years ago and found that I couldn't get used to the OS. I demo'ed an iPhone and found it incredibly intuitive. With the SDK and upcoming 3G, I will definitely be switching! Can't wait for my iPhone to harmonize with my iMac and Macbook Pro!
This was extremely useful for me too... thanks!
Wow! That's a lot of GREAT information to chew on, as always. Thanks Bunches! I'm off to take control of my OWN music!
Don't forget that you can get free commercial content (music, TV shows, etc) from the iTunes Store every Tuesday. I find it a great way to discover new artists (e.g. Duffy) and shows (e.g. New Amsterdam)
Thanks for the great info. I haven't switched yet but will save this for when I do.
This is an excellent article. We must always maximize these devices.
Wait-a-Thon!!! I have to agree...switched to iTunes only for the podcast download selection, but the rest of the music features have only slowly grown on me.
Hopefully this gets easier in iphone 2.0 - coming to a retail outlet near you.
If you want to install iPod Video Converter you can follow this guide: http://www.mconverter.net
iPod Video Converter for Mac is powerful, easy-to-use Mac video conversion software adapted to be installed for Mac users which convert video file between all popular video formats.
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I really need help syncing my itunes library to my iphone which has an unsupported carrier- T mobile. Itunes will not let me activate my iphone bcos it has an unsupported carrier it says. My iphone is currently unlocked and jailbroken. Please help...
great it works! by the way itunes a bit lags on my pc. Does it lag on macs too or this is a problem about windows?
ActiveSync makes its debut with iPhone 2.0, and doesn't function on the older, 1.x firmware, so if you intend to use it, make sure you have an iPhone 3G or have updated your original iPhone (2G) to the latest firmware as of July 11, 2008. To setup Exchange ActiveSync, tape the logo for it. If you're using Exchange 2007 on the back end, you may be able to automatically set up your account. If you can't, or are using an old version of Exchange — or just in general due to the complex and fussy nature of setting up an Exchange account in general — you're best practice is to check with your Exchange administrator (or hosted service provider).
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EGLIN AIR FORCE BASE — To use the military's new multimillion dollar, state-of-the-art F-35 flight simulators, pilots must first be in the dark.
When a pilot steps into the expansive room that houses a simulator — about 40 feet by 50 feet with a towering 40-foot ceiling — it's pitch black.
View a video of the simulator.
The entire room is painted matte black. The only light comes from reflectors along a walkway that leads the pilot up to a full-size replica of the fighter jet's cockpit.
Once the pilot is inside, the cockpit slides along a conveyor belt through a small opening and into the actual simulator, a 30-foot globe resembling a giant golf ball.
Then there is light.
The globe is aglow with a 360-degree visual display made up of about 30 high-definition projector screens.
No other light can be let in because the world inside the golf ball is now the pilot's reality. He's on Eglin's flight line preparing to soar off at 9 Gs.
The visuals are of such high fidelity and accuracy it's easy to forget that you're not flying a real jet. At least that's how the pilots tell it.
The rooms that house Eglin's four simulators are classified and not open to the public or the media. Lockheed Martin, the company that produces them, declined to disclose its dimensions, the specifications of the computer system that runs it or the cost. Representatives said the information was sensitive, technical data.
The pilots who have used the simulators, though, testified to their staggering size and scope while in a classroom at Eglin recently.
They compared using the simulators to going on a theme park ride or hopping aboard the Battlestar Galactica — the pilot is immersed in another world. The pilots said they are an invaluable tool in learning to fly the military's newest fighter jet.
"I'm positive I'm not the only pilot in this room that has forgotten he is in a simulator," said Marine Maj. Michael Rountree, one of the first certified F-35 pilots and an instructor at the school. "You don't even remember that you're not moving. The way things move around you in that 360-degree globe, it feels like you're flying and you just forget."
Pilots from all branches of the military go through training at the schoolhouse at Eglin to learn to fly the F-35. Plans call for dozens of pilots to attend this year.
The simulators are a major part of the six-week curriculum.
The course includes academics and actual flights in the plane, but most of the lessons take place in a simulator, said Air Force Maj. Matt Johnston, one of the first pilots to go through the program as a student. Now he's an instructor and director of standardization and evaluation for the Air Force's variant of the jet.
After academics and lessons on computers using less-costly joystick programs, students move on to the simulators.
The first few lessons cover basic operations.
One of the groundbreaking features of the simulator is the high resolution and fidelity of the visual display, said Greg Wilder, the lead instructor pilot for Lockheed Martin. It provides a 360-degree view that moves as fast as the jet would. It also is programmed with the actual landscape around Eglin.
"When you take off you see Destin, you see the Destin Bridge, the Pass, all the bayous," Wilder said. "Everything that is out there."
The sound of the engine is simulated, as are the sounds of the landing gear and other operations. The pilot can feel the thumps and jolts in the seat.
After the first few lessons on basic operations, pilots start to learn how to handle emergencies and other unexpected factors that could affect their flights.
Another groundbreaking aspect of the simulator is how dynamic it is. Instructors sit at a control consul and manipulate a host of conditions, from the environment to how the plane is functioning, Wilder said.
An instructor can make the simulator mimic different malfunctions or emergencies until the student learns how to respond correctly so the jet can be landed safely.
"These guys put you through the ringer," Johnston said. "You are just getting hammered with emergency after emergency. These are not things you can go out and do in the jet. I can't see what an engine fire looks like in the F-35, but (an instructor) will continue to do that to me until I can somehow manage a way to survive through it."
Instructors can also play weatherman.
"We can make it a beautiful Florida day without a cloud in the sky, or if I want to stress them we can start bringing in clouds and lowering visibility. We can make it start raining," Wilder said. "We start them out nice and easy — nice day, good weather. 'OK, you can handle that, now let's turn it up a notch and see what you can do.' "
Rountree said instructors can marry the simulator with the student's learning style, reaching into the computer and making it perform to hammer home a point.
The simulator also can allow pilots to practice refueling in the air, landing on an aircraft carrier, evading missile fire from other aircraft or the ground and flying in formation.
Two simulators also can link together. Pilots in one will see when the pilot in the other lowers his landing gear.
In a practice engine fire, the pilot sees smoke coming off the plane. If there is a hydraulic leak, red fluid can be seen on the bottom of the plane.
Wilder, who was an F-16 pilot in the Air Force for 16 years before moving to Lockheed to develop the F-35, said no simulator he's ever seen has offered that level of detail.
"That's Disney World kind of stuff," he said. "You just don't do that in military simulators anywhere to that kind of fidelity, but that's the detail they've gone with us. That's amazing to me."
The level of detailed instruction is important because once pilots go up in a single-seat F-35, they have to have learned in a relatively short time how to take off, fly and land successfully and safely on their own. The simulator makes that possible, the pilots said.
"The simulators could be a little lower fidelity in an F-16 or Harrier because you'd have someone back there who had experience who would ride the controls for you and maybe even fly it around a little so you could get a feel for it," Rountree said. "In this airplane you don't have that luxury. We have to be able to take off that airplane the first time and land it the first time safely by ourselves."
He said the simulator bridges the gap between the academics and actually flying the plane for the first time.
"There was that seat-of-the-pants feel, but that was it," Rountree said. "There were no surprises."
Not only is the simulator providing a high-level of education, but lessons cost much less than actually operating the jets.
A fifth simulator is set to go online at Eglin in several weeks, Wilder said.
The course can allow students to go from no instruction to flying the F-35 solo in such a short period of time because of the simulators, Wilder said.
"You couldn't have done this 15 or 20 years ago," he said. "The simulators just weren't good enough back then."
This article has been corrected from a previous version to indicate that dozens of pilots are expected to go through the training school this year, not hundreds.
Contact Daily News Staff Writer Lauren Sage Reinlie at 850-315-4440 or firstname.lastname@example.com. Follow her on Twitter @LaurenRnwfdn.

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The problem with these threads is trying to argue math as a valid strategy with people who don't understand math well is like trying to use science to prove evolution to someone from Alabama. OP is absolutely correct.
The problem with these threads is trying to argue math as a valid strategy with people who don't understand math well is like trying to use science to prove evolution to someone from Alabama. OP is absolutely correct.
it's amazing how people in charge of scoring decisions really don't understand how to maximize scoring opportunities. no one ever got fired for going with conventional wisdom, as wrong as that may be, though.
Nebraska was avg 52 points a game and I always thought that Osbourne thought that Nebraska would simply outscore Miami in the 2nd half running away...Nebraska $#@!ing bulldozed teams that year(44-6 over Penn st avenging last years close loss to PSU)....
Technically, you should go for 2 scoring that first td...but I believe Tom thought he would get at least 2 more chances to score(td and FG giving him a 37-34 win)...
Remember, and I don't know if it has been brought up yet, but Irving fryar missed sure td pass down the sideline for a quick score(can't remember if that was the 4Q).....Nebraska just didn't convert on their opportunities and I believe didn't think Miami could hold them to 3 tds below their average...
That game changed the defensive side of the CFB game IMO...Jimmy Johnson would further refine it...ie db to lb, lb to de etc....$#@!ing defensive speed which brought down switzer in 3 consecutive years at the hands of Miami...
The first issue I see is that there is no accounting for chaos or randomness in actual game theory. At least, not in a common case like this. We don't know whether Osborne really felt like he was going to play for the win at the :48 second mark, the 7 minute mark, or before kickoff. We don't know if a crazy player or assistant or thought affected his mindset at some point, or what he viewed as "enough time" or if he thought that Miami might score again. Those concerns and others like them have to be introduced by the discussion participants and finding many who will agree on the same components is rare. So math simply isn't a real world answer, even though everyone in the discussion tends to agree that, on paper, it should be.
The second issue is that once the event is taken out of reality and put into the classroom, theories compete for how decisions in the vacuum would be made. In a sense, everyone engaged in the discussion has a level of conviction based on what they see as a mathematically superior point of view, but a viable minority of the discussion participants have a case to be made about how the timeline involved in the decision tree is different than the way the majority views it. As such, they see a completely different set of necessary decisions that make perfect sense. This doesn't happen when an outcome is reviewed based simply on performance. If the discussion were about a receiver making a catch instead of dropping it, or the QB not hurrying a throw, etc., there's a higher likelihood of consensus or overwhelming majority in what the right action would have been (the receiver should have caught the pass, etc.).It's simply a different kind of discussion where both sides can be "correct" and unwilling to alter how they see it.
I honestly think in spite of the question posed earlier that week and the answer TO gave, he didn't decide until Jeff Kinney scored to go down 1. The 'go for the win' stuff before the game was probably just something for the team to feed on in the preparation leading up to the game. If it was a predetermined risk, then there isn't much too argue with in the OP's case for going for it on the first TD and going from there. This is just one opinion of someone born 5 years after the fact, but I think he wanted the safety net of a tie being decided on an XP, then in the heat of the moment, looked around the sideline, talked to one of the best offenses to ever play, and said "$#@! it. let's go for it. I'm trusting you guys".
Or at least that's how it plays out in my head on espn classic.
The math is off, assuming a PAT is 1 and 2PC is .4 and assuming that everything else is equal (its not but let it be) then by:Assuming the team will kick both XPs 100% of the time and is 50/50 to win in OT, obviously the XP-XP strategy will result in winning 50% of the time (actually going to be less since XPs are not 100%)
If they are 40% (the average) to convert a 2PC, then they will win the game about 52% of the time when they go for 2 on the first TD. 40% of the time, they hit the first 2pc, then kick the XP on TD2 and win in regulation. roughly 36% of the time they will miss both 2pcs and lose in regulation. So the other 24% of the time they miss the first but hit the 2nd, and go to OT, and they win half of those.
1)Going for two PATS there is a 1 chance of drawing, 0 chance of wining and 0 chance of losing.
2)Going for 2PC and PAT gives you a .4 chance of wining a .6 chance of losing
3)Going for 2PC and 2PC gives you a .2 chance of wining (.4*.4) and .36 (.6*.6) chance of losing and a .44 chance of drawing (subtracting from 1)
4)What Osborne did PAT and 2PC is the same as above .4 chance of wining and .6 chance of losing.
If you preset your strategy from the very begining the highest odds of wining are (assuming 50-50 OT) is scenario 1, scenario 2 is for idiots if the first 2PC failed, and scenario 3 is idiotic if the first 2PC succeeds. In modern CFB statistically you go for the tie always (unless momentum, injury etc)
Now going back to 1983, since there is no OT and the goal is clearly to win going for 2 early or late is the same really and both optimal for wining. The difference is of course that with the 2 2PC strategy there is a .36 percent chance of losing vs a .60 percent chance of losing with the Osborne approach. But of course with 2 PATS there is a 0 chance of losing as well.
40% win in regulation
12% win in overtime
12% lose in overtime
36% lose in regulation
linux, there are really 3 scenarios, as you point out it is retarded to miss the first 2PC then kick the XP, so the choices are:
1) kick them both. 0% win, 100% tie, 0% lose
2) go for 2 on the first one. If you miss, go for 2 again. If you make, kick 2nd XP. 40% win, 24% tie, 36% lose.
3) Osborne's way: 40% win, 60% lose.
So by going for 2 on the first TD vs kicking htem both, you are trading 76% of your tie for 40% win, 36% lose. A better result mathematically if we treat a tie as 0.5 wins, and an absolute no-brainer if you are placing a greater value on the outright win, as Tom did. He would have had the exact same win%, but would lose 36% instead of 60%.
Last edited by TXSooner518; 03-30-2012 at 05:19 PM.
Similarly, UCLA was a mediocre 7-4-1, and while blown out, it was in Lincoln and the 3rd game of the year. Impressive names to beat, but not impressive teams. But Nebraska (and all the other poseurs) would say "Look at the big names we beat" and puff for beauty contest votes. What a travesty college football has been without a playoff.
I thought his folly was keeping Lawrence Phillips on the team.
Obviously, Osborne didn't place much value on the tie.
If you thought a tie was as bad as a loss, wouldn't you just see:
2) yada yada 40% win, 60% everything else.
3) yada yada 40% win, 60% everything else.
Sounds dumb, but if you thought that a tie was unacceptable, wouldn't you care very little about the difference between 2 and 3?
If all you care about is the win, you have stratererize knowing that you have to make your first 2pt conversion, whether it follows the last or second to last touchdown, right? You might even prefer to kick the extra point first, to take pressure off your kicker.
It's hard to say how Osborne valued a tie vs. a close loss. If he valued a tie more at all, #2 seems preferable, but there are of course a lot more factors that could make #3 preferable, if he didn't prefer a tie over a close loss by all that much.
I suck at math, so i probably $#@!ed this up, but that's my $.02.
No its 20% to win in regulation, remember that he has to hit BOTH 2PC to win in regulation (.4*.4). Make only one to tie the game and miss both to lose it (.6*.6).yeah, that's why i mention it in my post. results are:
40% win in regulation
12% win in overtime
12% lose in overtime
36% lose in regulation
This is really scenario 3, Going for 2PC first and failing is .6 likely meaning that the next play is still scenario 3, going for 2 again just for a chance to tie the game.2) go for 2 on the first one. If you miss, go for 2 again. If you make, kick 2nd XP. 40% win, 24% tie, 36% lose.
It all works out like this .2 chance of wining in regulation, drawing .44 and losing .36, you only do this to placate your fanbase that you are interested in wining but still lost over avoding losing. In 1983 of course, today the only viable use is the last second 2PC only because of momentum and injuries
Lets look at it more intuitively, if you are gambling and get a 1:1 risk:payoff you clearly keep rolling the craps dice, the same if you get a 2 dollars per 50% chance keep rolling the dice its the same, however getting 2 dollars at a 40% clip immediately makes you a loser for playing.
But you say: what if I am talking long run vs just two quick gambles? irrelevant there is nothing that differentiates a long game to a short game, just that the long game will have statistically stable results.
But that makes it scenario 2 though I probably should have edited my post better, and yeah you are right about the math.
Again only min max the pass line in craps, you lose, but you lose slowly.
A tie via going for two twice, missing the first and making the second is greater than the tie by kicking both extra points.
You get credit from people for going for the win but still pulling out the tie versus just playing for the tie.
Unless 2PC start becoming more likely than half the odds of making a PAT then their only value in football is in the last-play-of-the-game scenarios.
Oh its also relevant for levelling the score, if down by 5 after a touchdown to get within 3 late.
Linux you are wrong. Its 40% chance of winning. After first 2pc is successful, it is 31-25 and NU kicks the XP after the second TD. So you win more often than losing.
Last edited by TXSooner518; 03-30-2012 at 07:20 PM.
Nebraska was absolutely stacked, so was Texas. Look how many guys off those rosters were drafted. You could have fielded a solid NFL team off of those 2 rosters combined.So? That was a Penn State team that finished 8-4-1, including a 14-3 loss at home to Cincinnati the week after Nebraska, a bad Cincy team that would finish 4-6-1.
Similarly, UCLA was a mediocre 7-4-1, and while blown out, it was in Lincoln and the 3rd game of the year. Impressive names to beat, but not impressive teams. But Nebraska (and all the other poseurs) would say "Look at the big names we beat" and puff for beauty contest votes. What a travesty college football has been without a playoff.
And on a side note - that game ticked me off more than almost any other. Auburn's only loss that year was to Texas and we played at least 7 top ten teams and only lost to you. Nebraska at 1 and Texas at 2 both lose and not only did we not move to number 1 - we didn;t even move to 2. I went to bed in New Orleans convinced we has a championship. Also I was at the Texas Auburn game that year and it was the hottest game I have ever attended. It was way over 100 in the stands at noon and probably close to 120 on the field
When you play the 2pt conversion game you are always risking getting behind the eight ball, meaning always working to catch up and there is also the chance for going 0 fer.
Again lets view this intuitively, if I gave you a 3 point play at 33.32% probability would you take it over a perfectly sure PAT? what if you were given 33.34% probability? trust me the math works out, for two, three, a million attempts. Whether you are ahead or you are behind, at 33.32% you are taking the sucker bet and at 33.34% you are playing with house money. That is basketball 101. short FG's are higher percentage shots than 3's ergo your long term strategy is to be good at them, 3's will only win you small sample of games with statistical anomalies, its not a good strategy in the long term where these anomalies disappear.
Of course football is not a dice game, and yes you sometimes need to make on the fly decisions using a laminated scoring card, but a strategy to go for 2 repeatedly will only end in failure unless you can do it better than 50%, so either you get a better kicker if yours sucks or you look for another job.
Never said always go for 2. Said go for 2 down 14 late. And my %ages are accurate. The 40% accounts for the 0-fer. You g 0-for-2 36% of the time and lose in regulation. You make the first one 40% of the time. You win that always. You miss the first and make the second and force OT or tie if we are talking 1983 the other 24%. Indisputable given our assumptions.
Had Nebraska trailed at all during the season? I just remember Miami being up 17-0 and Nebraska not knowing WTF was happening...$#@!, that announcers voice is still in my head...Joe criqui or something like that...with ara parseghian the color guy....
If you go for two on the second score, you have zero room for error. You miss, you lose. [7+6=13]
If you miss the 2 pt on the first TD, you can still leave yourself a window to tie it up if you score a second touchdown. [6+8=14]
BTW, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 2010 OU vs Mizzou game. Stoops faced the 15 pt delimma, down 21-36 late in the 4th. Okies scored, and Bob went for 2. The play failed and Stoops was crucified by the fanbase after the loss. This was from the sbn Oklahoma blog:
I am stunned that Stoops' decision on that failed two point conversion is not a bigger story. I suppose it's because of the fact that it proved to be irrelevant to the final outcome, but it was one of the dumbest decisions he's ever made as the coach at OU. His explanation after the game that he went for it so they would know what they had to do on the ensuing kickoff is quite possibly the most stupid thing I've ever heard. I'm sure this will illicit the typical "So you think you're smarter than the coach" type comments, but even the casual football fan is smart enough to realize you kick the PAT there and give yourself a chance to be within one score kicking the onsides.
It does not matter if you start from the beginning of the game or you just scored a touchdown with one second left and are down 1 point, if you can't score a 2PTC for more than a 50% clip you go for a PAT.
Lets do another thought experiment this time with 2pt conversion at exactly 50%
25% chance of wining
50% chance of OT
25% chance of losing
If you do it down say 28 (it does not work for 21 because of the laminated score card deal).
31,25% chance of wining
37.5% chance of OT
31.25% chance of losing.
See a pattern? now imagine it with lower odds. Long game and short game is the exact same really, just makes OT less likely but its irrelevant since its a coin flip as well.
A 2pt conversion is indistinguishable statistically from a perfect PAT, if you can do it better than 50% you are playing with house money since PAT odds can never go over 100%, your opponent would be scoring a single extra point while you are scoring say 1.02 points.
The point is its never more than 40% unless you get a re-roll or fix the dice. Believing you can have a strategy based on past events, in a near perfect stochastic environment, is why people lose a lot at the craps table, in the long run.
Last edited by linux; 03-30-2012 at 09:58 PM.
Your math is STILL wrong. If a cfb team in 2012 makes a 2pc 50% of the time and they are down 14 w 5 minutes to go. Lets assume the team scores two TDs and make the XP 100. Obviously a strategy of kicking both XPs forces OT 100% of the time.
If instead they go for two after the first td, they will make it 50% of the time, yes? They will now be down 6 and will always win in regulation. So 50% of the time they win in regulation.
Of the 50% of the time the first attempt fails, the second attempt will succeed 50% of the time, yes? .5*.5=.25 so 25% of the time we go to overtime. The other 25% of the time, we lose in regulation after missing both conversions. So if we make the 2 at a 50% rate and win in OT at a 50% rate, we win 62.5% of the time we score two tds after trailing by 14 when we go for 2 after the first score. We win 50% of the time we kick both. It is clear basic math.
And I mentioned the 2010 OU Mizzou game in a note to ctj. I argued with loads of idiotic OU fans over that one. Stoops did it right.
weird double post
Last edited by linux; 03-30-2012 at 10:03 PM.
Its .25 (win in regulation) +.5*.5 = .25 (win in OT) + .5*.5 = .25 (loss in OT) + .25 (Loss in regulation) = 1
So its exactly win in regulation + win in OT equals exactly 50%
Like I said at 50% its indistinguishable win/loss when compared to PAT, now give it significantly lower odds like say 40%
Holy $#@! linux- the math is there and a sooner is showing you your own ass.
Going for 2 when you score down 14 to go down 8 is always the right answer, if you want to win in regulation. Make it and you have an almost guaranteed win if you score another TD (99% chance of hitting the xp). Miss and you still have a 40% chance at a tie. What is wrong with you.
And on another note- I always thought CTJ was pushing 40, not 34....
I can tell you first hand, this stuff does not always work in real football once the game starts. I could tell you stories forever. All scenarios are not by any means discussed here. Good in theory and bad in actuality.
Why in the blue $#@! do you think we only win 25% in reg??????????? We win the $#@!ing ggame in regulation with a 2pc and an XP. (.5 * 1.0 =0.50) we win EVERY TIME we make the first 2pc which is 50 fkn %
Down 14, and you just put six points up. Your 2pc stands a 50% chance at success....
... stop right there. You cannot as the coach have any idea what your odds are. Even after 12 games you don't have enough meaningful data to derive statistics to go off of. On top of that, you're dealing with 20 year old kids who are well aware of the fact that the game is on the line.
All bets are off, as they say.
I feel like we need to start discussing the odds of landing both of two recruits that the Big Cigar told us were 65% Texas leans.
Really in the end theres no math to it.,,just gut feeling and feeling of the game at that moment...
I don't really fault Tom for going for 2 on the 2nd td(thought he should have done it on the first td) but I think his gut feeling was that Nebraska was destined to win that game in any scenario with the dream season they had been living...
Anyhow, he did go for 2 which was gutsy per se because Nebraska might have won a share of the title with auburn or miami with a tie and I think Ol Tom wanted a clear cut $#@!ing victory...nothing wrong with that...
Because we are going down scenario 3???Why in the blue $#@! do you think we only win 25% in reg??????????? We win the $#@!ing ggame in regulation with a 2pc and an XP. (.5 * 1.0 =0.50) we win EVERY TIME we make the first 2pc which is 50 fkn %
Look do you want me to build the whole thing?
Lets assume 50% again. In select your own adventure style
First score, first digit
second score, second digit
Overtime third digit.
He scores he won the game since PAT is automatic
He misses he has to try again (this is what we have been debating scenario 3)
This leads us to
He misses, game over
He scores and ties the game
This leads us to overtime
They win
They Lose
As you can see at every turn you are given a coin flip, you assume that you can add up the probabilities and get 65%? but if they are added atomically and correctly they will never ever be more or less than 50%. The trick is to measure absolutely all the possibilities both success and failure and in between, and if they add up to more than 1 you just broke the entire universe, or you just simply made a mistake.
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Penny was a homemaker and a member of The Christian Fellowship Center in Cow Creek. Survivors include her husband, Frank DeRiso; one daughter, Renee Herndon (Chris) Workman, and two grandchildren, Morgan Paige and Eric Nicholas Workman, all of Lenore; two sisters, Johnnie Gartin of Florida and Gerri Clagg of Teays Valley; one brother, William "Bill" (Sheila) Click of Omar; two brothers-in-law, Carmine DeRiso of Pennsylvania and Robert DeRiso of New York; many nieces, nephews, great-nieces and great nephews that she loved dearly, and two close friends, Sandy Maynard and Becky Smith.
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GOP aides said there wasn't enough time in a busy House floor schedule to continue debate, but House Appropriations Committee Chairman Harold Rogers, R-Ky., said it was apparent there weren't the votes to pass the bill.
As the House measure faltered, a companion bill in the Senate seemed likely to be killed by a GOP filibuster on Thursday for the opposite reason. It breaks the budget limits of sequestration, the automatic cuts required by Washington's failure to strike a bipartisan budget deal.
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Cuts in the House transportation measure were made deeper by a Republican move to cut an additional $40 billion-plus from domestic programs and transfer the money to the Pentagon. That left the transportation measure $10 billion, or about 18 percent, below the Senate's bill.
Rogers, who often is cautious in his public statements, issued an unusually harsh blast, saying halting debate on the measure reflected a failure of Republicans to follow up on their promises to cut spending with binding legislation.
"With this action, the House has declined to proceed on the implementation of the very budget it adopted just three months ago," Rogers said. He said the failed transportation and housing measure was the first major attempt by Republicans to pass an appropriations bill at levels consistent with the sequestration cuts and that the failure of the bill meant it was time for a new approach.
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