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Occupy Wall Street Protestors Have a Point
The concerns of the Occupy Wall Street movement are not far different from what business leaders have told professors Joseph L. Bower, Herman B. Leonard, and Lynn S. Paine.
It's been easy to dismiss the Occupy Wall Street-and-beyond protesters. To many, they seem disorganized, lack a clear agenda, and advance simple solutions to complex problems. But in reality their concerns are not very different from the concerns we heard when we talked to business leaders around the world about the problems they thought might constitute material threats to the sustainability of market capitalism.
As part of Harvard Business School's centennial celebration a few years ago, we convened groups of business leaders in Europe, Asia, Latin America, and the United States to consider the future of the global market system. In keeping with the School's learning model, we provided participants with a "case"—this one consisting of the World Bank's scenario for global economic progress, looking toward 2030.
While cheered by the prospect of continued economic growth that would triple the middle class from 400 million to 1.2 billion people, these business leaders were concerned about the growing inequality of income within many nations, across nations, and across regions.
Half the world's poor would be in sub-Saharan Africa living on incomes a small fraction of those in developed countries. Of 4.1 billion workers, 3.3 billion would be unskilled living in developing countries. In developed countries the benefits of growth were increasingly enjoyed only by the top quintile, and mostly by, yes, the top 1 percent.
The business leaders we spoke to were disturbed by the environmental challenges of climate change, scarce water, and depleted fishing stocks as well as by migration driven by both income inequality and the environment. Interestingly (given that we interviewed them in late 2007 and early 2008), they were very concerned about the volatility and fragility of the financial markets. They thought the financial world had become detached from the real economy. And they were upset by the potential for populist reaction to these problems that could lead to damaging legislation.
"The time has come for companies to accept the challenge to use their entrepreneurial skills on a broader canvas"
We classified what we heard as ten potential disruptors of the global market system: the functioning of the global financial system, barriers to world trade, inequality and consequent populism, migration, environmental degradation, failure of the rule of law, failures of education and public health, state capitalism, radical movements and terrorism, and pandemics.
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The business leaders also identified an eleventh disruptor: the inadequacy of existing government and multilateral institutions to deal with these problems. When we stepped back from our discussions and considered what was being said, it was clear that the golden goose—global market capitalism—was at risk from the impact of an interrelated set of forces more powerful than the economic and political capabilities of national governments.
What did these leaders think should be done? Some thought that, quite simply, bad things happen on occasion and that if governments didn't get in the way too much, things would sort themselves out. Others were worried that governments would intervene with populist remedies that would make matters worse, but were against any intervention by business because business had no legitimacy—"it's above my pay grade." Still others thought that business should use its influence to activate government. A final group said that companies were the only ones that had the capability to turn problems into opportunities.
This last group interested us most. They saw the possibility of building businesses using the kinds of innovation and technology that brought millions of rural poor into the market system (as China Mobile did by bringing mobile phone service into the Chinese countryside), that brought medicine where it had been unaffordable (which the pharmaceutical company Cipla did with HIV/AIDS drugs in Africa), and that brought housing to urban poor (one of building materials maker CEMEX's accomplishments in Mexico).
Based on our research, we believe the time has come for companies to accept the challenge to use their entrepreneurial skills on a broader canvas. Companies complain that their recruits aren't adequately educated.
In response, they will have to train their workers themselves or go elsewhere to find customers. Bankers bemoan Dodd-Frank, but where is the financial industry's proposal for adequate capital and an end to predatory lending practices? Organizations lament sky-rocketing health care costs, but why is there such a limited effort to organize preventative care? Cutting Medicare will not stop the epidemic of obesity.
The market system cannot work if its consequences are seen to be unfair, because its benefits are not distributed widely. That is what our business leaders said—and that seems to be what the protesters are saying as well. Rather than dismiss them for not being able to understand or provide solutions for the problems they identify, we might do better to worry about what the consequences might be if the real concerns they identify become the basis for populist political legislation. Defenders of capitalism need to get busy solving the problems the Wall Street occupiers have spotlighted.
The authors, all professors at Harvard Business School, have recently published Capitalism at Risk: Rethinking the Role of Business (Harvard Business Review Press, 2011).
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- philip hyland
- manager, in transition
Why talk about market capitalism, N america and Europe work on closed systems to preserve the status quo. e.g. no free movement of labour (immigration controls) . renummeration committees which approve each others pay. Show the results in USA and UK and see how many of the top 1% in 1900 are still the top 1%. Yes exceptions but in general.
- Anonymous
It is doubtful that individual actors in the free market will coordinate to solve these problems. There will constantly be free rider temptation and competitors seeking relative advantage. Solving these issues is where regulation and governmental intervention have their place.
- Wayne Brewer
A few questions to provoke some thought:
Isn't it possible for results to "be seen" to be unfair when in fact the processes that created the results are in fact just and objective? Whose view gets weighted the most in determining fairness of results? Those with the least favorable results? Why?
Do you really think that unskilled folks of the world whose real standard of living will be climbing faster than many, many others throughout the world are going to be complaining? If everything around them continues to get better and better because a market (group of individuals) organizes such that people are free to develop their talents and abilities in a mutually beneficial way, why not stop there and let the results take care of themselves? Things only get better when people expend energy. Don't you want the maximum amount of energy expended improving living standards for all?
- CEO/Director, TheRainMakers-TBL
This is a very good read and surely temporal. Holistic thinking/strategizing is most appropriate in today's global climate. Some of us have been writing and using the phrase 'triple bottom line' in what these authors suggest that business should "...use their entrepreneurial skills on a broader canvas...." Success will depend on this shift to holistic (TBL) business philosophy.
Regarding 'inadequate preparation, most university business schools remain in a siloed pedagogy. I agree. Until this changes students/managers will lack basic 'holistic' underpinning the authors claim is necessary. As a retired business professor I fought this battle continually - without much success. Inadequate governance, especially in the developed world, is troubling and presents business managers difficult challenges. No simple answers. Business input should be to raise the quality of governance from a holistic perspective as the authors suggest.
- Ed Rye
- FI Markets
"The market system cannot work if its consequences are seen to be unfair, because its benefits are not distributed widely."
That's precisely why even old school markets evangelist Adam Smith recognized that, to ensure the continuing faith of, and participation by, the masses in the markets, there will always need to be some limits (e.g., on usury, on anti-competitive practices, etc) imposed on the instinctively overreaching animal spirits of the most successful market participants.
"Rather than dismiss [the OWS protesters] for not being able to understand or provide solutions for the problems they identify, we might do better to worry about what the consequences might be if the real concerns they identify become the basis for populist political legislation."
Agreed - that would seems to be a much more constructive approach than either complaining about the government requiring SIFIs to make a good faith effort at managing themselves to reduce taxpayer risks or rewriting one more hagiographic invocation of failed screenwriter Ayn Rand in the WSJ.
- Clark Phippen
- Director, EnerTech Capital (Rtd)
My knee-jerk thought on the global inequality of income is that productivity gains, largely through IT these days, have left many simply not able to contribute therefore not meriting income in the capitalist world. A more socialistic world order would seem to one way to counter this, but this is a poor answer. A more intense application of capitalism is better by far, one focused specifically on having the largest possible number contribute to GNP. In other words, job creation.
- Anonymous
The problem is not companies or entrepreneurship, the problems are: - government intervention (rules, bias towards certain industries, playing venture cap games, etc) - push for socialism from those that hate our system -- even though our system has led the innovation that's made the world a better place - lazy people that want others to pay for the wants and needs If the government gets out of the way, entrepreneurship will succeed. Think about what made America great in the last 200 years, it wasn't social equality, it was capitalism.
- Dr. Michael Hopkins
- CEO, MHC International Ltd
Yes, strange that the private sector in the USA has been so silent. For instance, the US Chamber of Commerce that might be considered to be the 'voice' of business has been one, if not the biggest, lobbyist against just about any action by the current Obama Government including its stimulus package (popularly deemed to have preserved or created anywhere from 700,000 to three million jobs for lack of better estimation), while paradoxically admitting 'government efforts are useful in the short-term.' More on this see: http://www.csrwire.com/blog/posts/273-socially-responsible-restructuring-is-csr-the-answer-to-unemployment
- Peter Corin
- IT Manager, Banking
Great article. The occupy protestors may not have changed anything, but I believe they awoke a social conscience in many influential people (or future influencers).
When at university I argued with one of my IntBus lecturers who argued that a firm could not operate on anything except a total focus on profit, I wonder if he would say the same thing now.
I paid close attention to the protest as I have recently joined a bank. I'm a 29 year old manager and I look forward to leading organisations into a different operating model over the rest of my career.
- Hugh Quick
- Home, None
Beware of wishywashy liberalism, giving everybody what they think they want - It won't work. Capitalism does need legislative and organisational revision and that could be done. At present shareholders are over protected and employees get a raw deal.
- Kapil Kumar Sopory
- Company Secretary, SMEC(India) Private Limited
Occupy Wall Street(OWS) is a protest against social and economic inequality in US where the wealthiest 1% doubled their wealth in last 30 years whereas the average pretax income of the bottom 90% declined. The other concens are high unemployment, greed, corruption, undue influence of corporations on government(particularly from financial services sector), income inequality and wealth distribution. These are all serious issues which require focused multipronged attention in order to maintain financial and economic stability. Brushing aside OWS movement merely because it lacks proper leadership and thrust is not a prudent action. If it is recognised that these issues are indeed critical, all concerned need to gear up to find and implement proper solutions. This movement, started in US, has need in other countries also where absence of stict financial discipline is rampant. Clear cut messages need to go to business,governments and corporates to shun their past misadventures which resulted in economic downturn. Indeed,OWS have very valid points attention to which is justified and warranted.
The problem with Wall Street is that it is no longer (perhaps never was) based on a model of Capitalism, but a twisted form of Capitalism. Capitalism stands for free markets and ensures incentives and disincentives in proportion to efforts and ability. Where a large section of Wall Street goes wrong is that while there is incentive for positive action there is no disincentive for negative action. The Wall Street believes and behaves as if it has an unlimited PUT options on its losses. True Capitalism disincentivises moral hazard and this is what the protestors are demanding (or should if they are not)
- Aditya Mishra
- President, Randstad India
OWS is a wake-up call for the humankind. The disparities have widened though the averages have moved up. This is true in many parts of the world. However, I do not think, there is any better approach than capitalism. We need guides along this journey so that the excesses are curbed to begin with. These guides need to be rebuilt in our social fabric and the education system; the age-old values and beliefs of humankind need to be relearnt by the influencers in our society. Hope, good sense prevails and movements like OWS are able to achieve these results!
- Aleem
- Marketing Manager, Jaydev Constructions
OWS is valid protest with more clarity on issue and less clarity on the solution. Three points to make on solution which need to take on with good leadership. 1. We need to create a economy where money should move from rich to poor, not other way around which is happening in interest based system like wall street. Where poor, irrespective of he earn or not he need to pay back more to the rich. Its not fair and justified. Hence we should think about joint investment-joint risk module, here haring of profit and loss should equally. 2. Stocks should be perceived and behave like long term investments in stock market, say no to speculation. Else it's gambling in casino. 3. Entry Barrier in business should be minimized and their issues need to be address by government, which big companies don't want.
- Anonymous
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Sssooo... my .50 Beowulf plans have fetched up against the price of .501" barrels. Perhaps it seems silly in view of the overall cost of the project, but it chaps me to find prices for .501" barrels close to $300 for a blank, and .510-.513" barrels as low as $75.
Doing some more research, I found the .50-110 has the same case head size as the .45-70, .040 more than the 54R. Overall length is 2.75, vs 3.038" for the 7.62x54R. Bullet diameter is .512, so an inexpensive barrel could be used.
When I saw the .50-110 posts I thought the guy was nuts, but it looks like it would be no more difficult than .45-70. .50-110 chamber reamers can be rented without trouble, and though the brass isn't as cheap as Beowulf, but at $1.18 each qty 100, the price isn't too bad.
A .50-110 would be *much* simpler and cheaper than a .50 Beowulf.
.50-110 is going to require a threaded barrel not a pinned barrel. the pin would likely hit the chamber. look at the 500 S&W thread that guy threaded a normal trunion and did a really nice job. a virgin yugo trunion would be ideal as well since it has a barrrel bore that is not interupted.
How do you figure it to be simpler? is it the obtaining a reamer that makes you think that?? making a .50-110 mag fit into any AK based build is going to be way more dificult than getting a 50 beowulf mag to work. the beowulf mag is just a sligtly moded 223 mag. and if you were to use a AR to AK adapter it would be no work. then the 50 beowulf uses a standard 7.62x39 bolt instead of what ever a .50-110 will need nad that will alos regure a differant carrier as well. then there is the whole recivers being longer issues ect. A 50 beowulf can be built on a threaded milled reciver or threaded reweld with basicaly a barrel swap and the required oversized barrel attachments. there is no way a .50-110 build would be *much* simpler IMOOA .50-110 would be *much* simpler and cheaper than a .50 Beowulf.
as far as cost have you priced .50-110 brass or ammo? not to mention the cost of the additional powder. the brass alone is over a $1.10 each.
50-110 Winchester
beowulf brass is 57 cents. or about half of a .50-110
Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf Brass Packs
the bolt ,carrier, reciver, trunions ect will all be much more expensive than a 50 Beowulf not to mention the cost of shooting it will be at least 100% more.
If you want to build a .50 with a big bolt face Id consider a 500 S&W. the brass is around 25 cents each and dies and reamers are avaliable it will fit into a AK length mag and will likley perform as well as the beowulf when loaded up to simular pressures. it is avaiable loaded lot of places as well un like the .50 beowulf that Axalender Arms so tightly controls. a 410 sagia bolt would be a viable canidate for such a build.
Now here is my idea for a really easy big bore. just use a .410 SAGIA as is but with a rifled barrel. use brass 2.5" shells or possably those steel wolf cases and load it with protuding slugs/bullets into a 3" sagia Mag and you would have a pretty wicked big bore for the price of a barrel and could be left with a shot gun designation and would still shoot 3" normal shoot gun shells.
kind of a Mini 410 SGFH. hell in some states you could even hunt with it in a shot gun zone. not mine they dont allow 410,s on dear in wisconsin.
Sssooo... my .50 Beowulf plans have fetched up against the price of .501" barrels. Perhaps it seems silly in view of the overall cost of the project, but it chaps me to find prices for .501" barrels close to $300 for a blank, and .510-.513" barrels as low as $75.
These are way under $300
here are 15" blanks pretty cheap under $100 add a much recomended muzzel break to make it 16"
http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/catalog.aspx?catid=410stainlesssteel,1.1"round,15" long
SS 500 SW Cartridge pistol blank
7.62x54R: 3.04 inches long
.50-110 Winchester: 2.75 inches long
A .50-110 would probably single-stack in a PSL mag.
.50-110 rim diameter: .607"
7.62x54R rim diameter: .567"
.45-70 rim diameter: .608"
It looks like a .45-70 rim will feed through a Yugo/PSL trunnion (I have one of each sitting right here), but since the Yugo trunnion won't feed a .50 Beowulf without some grinding on the lower left lug (which isn't used on a 2-lug bolt anyway) I assume a .50-110 would require similar clearancing.
The bolt face might wind up as three lugs around the rim by the time you got done opening it up, but that wouldn't be a problem - Enfield .303s use a flat-faced bolt with just an extractor hook.
7.62x54R pressure: 57,000 PSI (CIP piezo)
.50-110 Winchester: 28,000 ESTIMATED
(accuratepowder.com had an arbitrarily-set pressure limit of 28,000 PSI for their .50-110 and .50-140 Sharps loads, which was the closest thing I could find to the .50-110 Winchester)
7.62x54R base diameter: .487"
.50-100 base diameter: .551"
54R head area: .186 sq.in.
'110 head area: .238 sq.in.
54R thrust: .186x57,000= 10,602 pounds
'110 thrust: .238x28,000=6,664 pounds
I was going to call Spencer Rifle Company and ask them what they did to run .50-110 through a PSL, but it looks pretty straightforward.
In fact, since the .50-110 is a hair shorter than a .308, an enterprising builder should be able to build one on a standard AKM receiver and modify a .308 magazine.
45-70 will regure some considerble grinding to get it clear. you can gain clearance by trimming the left lug but then you going to have to get it to feed to the left as well.It looks like a .45-70 rim will feed through a Yugo/PSL trunnion (I have one of each sitting right here), but since the Yugo trunnion won't feed a .50 Beowulf without some grinding on the lower left lug (which isn't used on a 2-lug bolt anyway) I assume a .50-110 would require similar clearancing.
a Saiga 410 SG bolt or a entire doner gun. might be a better start.
No, just a little bit of grinding. When the nose enters the barrel the ramps on the rear of the locking lugs will raise the back up to feed the cartridge in closer to the barrel centerline. If you have a .45-70 cartridge and spare trunnion at hand, take a look at the angle the cartridge will feed from.
If it had to come up straight from the bottom like an x39 it would be a different story.
Pretty tight. I have a yugo trunion stiing here and almost ever calibur of ammo you can think of sitting here at all times LOL
Da, I used to laugh at the "cartridge collector" types. Now I'm glad for the little box of odd cartridges that somehow accumulated over the years. They've been quite handy lately.
My cartridge-diagram website of choice doesn't list the .50-110, but it lists the .45-110 with a case length of 2 7/8. Unless the .50 uses a much fatter case I'd guess 2.75" is the length of the brass, not the COAL.
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Rousey of course "don't give a damn about her bad reputation." Davis is simply, well, nice.
Like a honey badger, Rousey don't care, as she explained recently on FOX Sports' The Great MMA Debate with Damon Martin.
"It doesn't change anything for me because I'm not an emotional fighter," said Rousey as translated by David St. Martin for MMAFighting. "I have zero emotion when I go in there and fight. It could be my best friend in the world or it could be my worst enemy. I would fight them the same. I would fight Miesha Tate and Shayna Baszler in exactly the same way. I love Shayna and I can't stand Miesha but emotions have nothing to do with the way I fight. Fighting is absent of emotion for me."
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"It's definitely an interesting new challenge," said Rousey. "One thing that I couldn't stand when I was just watching MMA and coming from Judo was all these people talking about how the Jiu Jitsu people would beat any Judo player. It was such a stereotype that I thought, and still think, that I could beat any girl in the world, any weight division, gi or no-gi, black belt and in any ruleset they want, in just pure Jiu Jitsu.
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At that point somebody within the club should have been telling Villa that he had an important role to play for the team but although I believe Tito Vilanova approached him with that view, it wasn't backed up by action.
Villa found himself sidelined and as a result he felt that he wasn't given the opportunities that he deserved. Again, when he had those doubts he didn't get enough support.
But talking can be overestimated too.
Sometimes you just need to produce on the pitch and that's what's happening after a transformation in the relationship between Lionel Messi and Villa.
It was interesting to see that Messi had the opportunity to pass the ball to Alexis over Villa ahead of Barcelona's first goal against Rayo but he went for Villa instead, which suggests that a relationship that had been tense has become much more fluid.
I think that Messi realises how important Villa is to the team, either as No 9 or even from the left hand side of the attack because he takes away one or two defenders and gives Messi more freedom.
It's a better combination and one that people in the club had been demanding - they wanted a No 9 in there because otherwise it became easier to stop Messi.
Real problem
Real Madrid remain 13 points behind Barcelona and are still susceptible at set-pieces.
In fact, if you count penalties 37 per cent of the goals they've let in come from set-pieces which suggests there's a significant problem.
The staff at the club say they are doing plenty of work to identify the strengths and weaknesses of their opponents and that they pass that information onto the players, but if one of those players then lose their individual battle, it all falls apart.
Ramos, for example, has lost his mark four times out of those 15 so he's got to improve.
Meanwhile, the continued progress of Real Sociedad is a fantastic story of a team that with Inigo Martinez, Antoine Griezmann and Asier Illarramendi in the ranks now has more quality than it has had for decades.
Illarra is the closest they've got to Xavi Hernandez, so keep an eye out for him. They also have internationals with the quality of Claudio Bravo, Chori Castro and Alberto de la Bella - plus mature players like Xabi Prieto and Carlos Martínez. It's a great combination.
But they also needed a manager who was brave enough to put them in and not ask for players that guaranteed less quality. Philippe Montanier is now that man.
Sometimes managers go for defensive midfielders who have got less quality but guarantee more work instead of giving chances to players coming through, like Ruben Pardo or Illarra.
In the last 12 months it has been more the case of a manager adapting to the side than the other way around.
Last season Montainier would have gone for more defensive players - this season he's given them the freedom and the confidence to the young players that they ended to become the team that they are at the moment.
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GSU brought a No. 63 national ranking to the Hixson Racquet Club tonight, but the experienced Mocs were able to get a pair of singles wins. Senior Manuel Barroetavena (Buenos Aires, Argentina) led the way with wins in singles and doubles action. He scored a (6-2, 6-1) victory over Paul Schuette at No. 3, tying the match at 1-1.
Freshman Luke Saunders (Halifax, Nova Scotia) had an impressive debut, winning his first collegiate match at No. 6. Saunders is one of three freshmen who joined the team at the semester break, complimenting that includes seven seniors and one sophomore. He posted a (6-0, 6-2) win against over Chinmay Handa at No. 6 to give UTC the 2-1 advantage.
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Barroetavena and senior Jackson Tresnan (Apopka, Fla.) scored the lone doubles win tonight. They defeated Schuette and Thomas Cook (8-6) at No. 3 after the point was already decided.
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Back in September, a survey was conducted on the state of drug use among U.S. teens and adults that suggested drugs are still a big problem for many Americans. For the annual survey, researchers from the U.S. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) polled 70,000 people ages 12 and older, asking them about drugs they may or may not have taken within the month. The survey, which looked at data from 2011, provides a look at current substance abuse around the country, according to its authors.
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Sculpture is three-dimensional artwork. Traditionally, such artwork was created by shaping or combining hard materials - typically stone such as marble - or metal, glass, or wood. Softer ("plastic") materials can also be used, such as clay, textiles, plastics, polymers and softer metals. Modernly, the term has been extended to works including sound, text and light.
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- Quotes reported in Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922), p. 694.
- The stone unhewn and cold
Becomes a living mould,
The more the marble wastes
The more the statue grows.
- Michelangelo, Sonnet, Mrs. Henry Roscoe's translation.
- Ex quovis ligno non fit Mercurius.
- A Mercury is not made out of any block of wood.
- Quoted by Appuleius as a saying of Pythagoras.
- A sculptor wields
The chisel, and the stricken marble grows
To beauty.
- William Cullen Bryant, The Flood of Years.
- Not from a vain or shallow thought
His awful Jove young Phidias brought.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson, The Problem.
- In sculpture did ever anybody call the Apollo a fancy piece? Or say of the Laocoön how it might be made different? A masterpiece of art has in the mind a fixed place in the chain of being, as much as a plant or a crystal.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson, Society and Solitude, Art.
- Ex pede Herculem.
- From the feet, Hercules.
- Herodotus, Book IV, Section LXXXII. Plutarch. As quoted by Aulus Gellius. I. 1. Diogenes. V. 15.
- Sculpture is more divine, and more like Nature,
That fashions all her works in high relief,
And that is Sculpture. This vast ball, the Earth,
Was moulded out of clay, and baked in fire;
Men, women, and all animals that breathe
Are statues, and not paintings.
- Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Michael Angelo, Part III. 5.
- Sculpture is more than painting. It is greater
To raise the dead to life than to create
Phantoms that seem to live.
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- The Paphian Queen to Cnidos made repair
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Then looking up and round the prospect wide,
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- Plato, in Greek Anthology.
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It's beautiful in concept, and lots of fun some of the time. However...
1- As expected, the side with the bigger zerg usually wins.
2- As expected, combat is dominated by ranged AoE attackers (elementalists and rangers mainly). Melee are at a severe, crippling disadvantage.
3- As expected, the age old problem of AoE attacks hitting defenders thru solid objects remains (try repairing a keep door).
4- Most egregiously, and again as expected, free server transfers have weakened already weaker worlds by allowing players to transfer onto the very worlds previosuly dominating them.
And please, don't try to impress me with the tales of how your small valiant band broke up a larger group this one time. Yes, it happens. More often than not, though, you end up dead when their 20 meet up with your 8.
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Originally posted by WoW_Refugee
1. Yes, as expected. This is what happens. Not every battle is 300 Spartans vs the Persians (although we know how that ended as well)
2. Yes, as expected. But not nearly as bad as in prior games. There are also plenty of other things to do in WvW other than a keep defense and a lot of it doesn't involve sieging.
3. In some cases its fine.. others need work. This is a tweak not an overhaul.
4. Who the hell cares? I personally hate the rotating worlds idea, but it's one benefit is exactly that it makes this "most egregious" offense moot. Lose a lot? you will match up with other losing realms. Win alot? You will end up playing other winning realms.
WvW is what was expected. Since it is only of limited persistence (1 day now.. a week or two later) it's more of just a way to kill some time than DAoC which remains the cream of the crop of RvR games to me.
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With 2, on my mesmer I love people spamming mindless aoe at me, it boosts my damage and hurts them more than me.
Still 100045356 times better than bloody wow poopsocking & macroing to win while stuck in a tupperware box pvp
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Joined: 9/06/12
Act with wisdom, but act.
Well I won't come to woo you with my valiant tales of heroism and bravery in the face of unimaginable odds, nor will I sit and tell you that zerging is the bane of all things MMO and that we should expect one on one confrontations to happen frequently in WvW.
What I can say is that no matter what you do, no matter where you go or how awesome you think game X or game Y is, there will always be a zerg. Under every rock and troll bridge and around every mountain bend there is a zerg waiting for you. It's not something that tweaking or overhauling a games mechanics can fix. It's something that is just in human nature. What wins a fight? numbers!
Sure a king could go challenge another king to a duel and stake his entire kingdom on it, but what happens if he loses? A better option is to simply throw masses upon masses of bodies at his walls until they fall and then send more masses of meat shields raging in to take the kingdom while the king sits at a comfortable distance with his map and chess pieces sipping on his afternoon tea.
Zerging happens and the zerg mentality will always be there. When you're out in the WvW maps its war not a survival game. If you think about it those are pretty much the only games where no form of zerging occurs(by players anyway). People split up and go all "lone-wolf" or travel in small packs to survive. In a war, if you want to live you stick with the mass; less chance of being hit by loose mortars.
I also wouldn't say that the theatre is dominated by ranged AOE users. The thing is, no one wants to die. I don't like dieing the walk back is just shameful. So most people will hang back and you end up with a stand off of people dropping AOE's until that one poor unlucky sap gets caught out and jumped by the first 20 people that can get a hit in. It's not a mechanics thing it's a people thing. No matter how hard you try this will always be present. So long as people don't want to die you will have zergs ruled by ranged AOE's.
Bottom line is: It happens. No overhauls are needed as the experience is the most fun I've had in a while. I think that it will take some time for organization to set in. Once everyone gets past the zerg mentality and starts to think as a unit things will fall into place. I've seen it happen time and time again.
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Joined: 5/10/06
WvW is in paid alpha state. Enjoy your time.
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Joined: 8/02/08
Yes WvW requires an overhaul but not for any of the reasons you stated......
right now on my server its an 8hour que wait to get into wvw and that is just unacceptable.... at least thats how long its been taking me to get in.
Dont ever worry about getting in with your guild mates seeing how queing is so long. So what you get is a big zerg that floats around aimlessly with little to no dirrection. And then ppl start complaining about direction and bickering.
Last night it took me 6hours to get in.... once i got in wvw i seen people do nothing but argue the whole time about what to do next, where to go, why we are losing/winning i got demotivated and just logged off after waiting all that time to get in.
Yes it took me 6hours to just be givin the chance to do the very thing i bought the game for. if i had it my way i would be spending 70% of my time in wvw and 30% of my time doing pve. unfortunatly thats not possible.
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Joined: 2/26/09
I think its just gonna take time for everything to settle down and balance out. I remember in DAoC it used to be zerg vs zerg and just random crap, but after a while you started seeing organized pvp guilds and groups and people using the alliance chat to coordinate attacks. Now i remember being in a huge zerg and us being systematically taken down by a smaller group that was more skilled and better organized. I think gw2 will play out the same way and the tweeks they make will only enhance the experience. Also, gw2 gives you many options, if your getting fed up of your 5 man team being zerged down, go try sPvP. But facts remain, strength in numbers, its like that in all mmo's and in real life warfare as well, it takes good strategy and skill plus mabey a bit of luck to break a zerg but it can be done.
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Act with wisdom, but act.
Originally posted by ellobo29
This happens in all games. People in mass pvp situations (especially ones involving capturing and defending realestate) will argue over what to do and where to go. Everyone want's to be a leader and no one wants to follow. This will persist until a big guild comes along and takes the reins. From there they'll simply point fingers in directions and the masses will move accordingly. People complain about direction and no one will ever step forward to point out the direction they so desperately seek.
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Joined: 8/02/08
Thats my point..... if you COULD get your guild in wvw. You WOULD have a method of organization. Ever play planetside?
Clans/Guilds provide leadership. I cant ever find one or maybe 2 at the most of my clan mates in wvw cause the freakin ques are so long. In planetside our clan leaders had breaching facilities and storming bases down to a science.
Too many cooks will ruin the soup. And thats what happens in map chat.
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Joined: 3/22/08
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Good for you as a mesmer, bad for your team mates that are not mesmers who have pain raining down on them. I've done the mindless spamming of AoE, it works, and it works well especially when lots of AoE'ers spam on the same area during bottleneck situations. If I take a little damage back, big deal, I'm doing significant damage to 20+ other people.
Honestly though, I don't think AoE damage is out of control. I just think it is a simpler and more intuitive element of the game to perform than it's counter, which are all the defensive shields and shells and such that many classes get that can negate that damage for the whole AoE area if used properly. AoE is easy to do, just spam the button. Defensive measures are harder, you have to react to where the AoE is hitting and if their is AoE everywhere in your area, you may have to choose the best places to have your group place protection spells to protect the most people possible. This requires coordination.
But, on second thought, defense should be easier than attacking, and attacking should require more coordination, and since the attackers are more often the recipient of the nasty AoE, they should have to learn to work in those situations.
I think as players learn to use their class abilities to the fullest, and learn to work as a team with their server, WvW will become better and more strategic.
Right now it's a big zerg fest, but honestly, big zergs work to win each individual fight, but time and time again the zerg keeps moving on leaving no defense of towers or even keeps in many cases, no strategic espionage behind enemy lines to distract the enemy attention, no parties holding supply camps or walking supply caravans, and the team that just zergs wins the battle, but they lose the war.
Do not underestimate the power of supplies in this game. Upgraded gates alone are a massive advantage in letting your team move forward instead of just constantly getting the towers behind you retaken. This is a three way war, and defense can be just as important as offense.
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Joined: 3/07/12
Originally posted by WoW_Refugee
Sure, Tell me a game that doesn't generally follow this rule. But there are some great tactics to dealing with this completely. Maybe not for most people that aren't in a very organized alliance though.
Not even close to true. Like at all. I hate to say learn to play, but learn to play.
Doesn't always happen, and in the instances it does it's pretty minor.
...Why does this matter? Servers or "worlds" are ranked and matched. Meaning that even if one server gets weaker, it'll be matched up against other weak servers. Also the free transfers aren't forever. They'll be done soon.
You should really join a guild or something dude. I'll admit WvW isn't nearly as fun if you aren't in one. If you are in one I'd suggest joining a better one. All you're problems will be fixed.
If WoW was released today even in its' entirety it would be f2p in 3 months.
Originally posted by MosesZD
1- It's still a problem.
2- I play just fine; my level 6 Necro in WvW makes Guardians and Warriors back away from me cautiously.
3- It's still a problem.
4- It's still a problem.
Your middling sarcasm notwithstanding, you brought nothing to the table as far as possible solutions go. Well done.
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Joined: 2/23/09
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Originally posted by WoW_Refugee
"For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
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Joined: 9/05/12
The biggest problem with WvW is they copied too much stuff from DAoC but forgot the most important things: realm points, realm ranks, darkness falls, 8man groups(funny how they existed in GW1), long duration CC (so skill > number of people). DAoC RvR worked because the most rewarding thing was killing other players, taking keeps was secondary.
Playing in an underpopulated realm was a privilege, not a handicap. Most people who changed realms/servers went to the underpopulated one so they have more enemies (=rps) and less allies to compete with. Keep takes were also more fun because they had bigger consequences (relics, DF), and you didn't have to keep attack all day so you wouldn't get bored of them.
WvW can be saved. All it needs is a rank system(with a small power progression - yes your char should be getting stronger) for enemy kills and not for keep takes/objectives and better optimization in WvW areas and especially big fights. They need to take the focus from objectives to PvP. Then we might see something other than zergs running around.
As a mesmer I can make my clones boon allies and condition enemies when they die.
So when people spam aoe, my weak clones die before any player, booning my allies so they take longer to for and applying all sorts if conditions on the attackers.
Other classes have anti-aoe too, e.g. necros.
Changes I would make to WvW
Open warband system from warhammer (also for pve)
Ability to flag your name on
Pvp ranking for more COSMETIC rewards e.g. trophies like in warhammer, special emotes you can do before charging in, titles, different skinned siege weapons.
Perhaps some way to lock down a map and open up a darkness falls type open pvp dungeon like daoc.(that other servers can lock after and cone clear you out of the dungeon)
Not just WvW, but number 1 problem with gw2, let me turn off bloody mouse smoothing.
Originally posted by kDeviL
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Joined: 3/22/08
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Yet AoE spam kills the group 9 out of 10 times. I think it is better to use AoE spam when defending and destroy the group. If this changes as Mesmers get smarter, I'll retract that, but right now, AoE spam works.
Originally posted by SethiusX
AoE spam dominates, actually.


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