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"Whether you're new to jogging or are a seasoned marathoner, there are tons of great iPhone apps and accessories will help you to be the best runner you can possibly be."
The iPhone is the perfect companion for those looking to get into jogging or running, or those looking to keep their long-term training fun and fresh. Since it's health and Fitness month here at iMore and the Mobile Nations network, we're going to take a look a the very best accessories and apps that'll help you get the most out of your experience.
One important thing to remember before getting started is to always keep yourself properly hydrated when going on a run. Keeping a water bottle with you is a great idea, but if you can't, make sure to get a good amount of hydration during your warmup and cool down periods. The fact is, when you run, you sweat. A lot. Whether it's just a quick jog or a long, 10-15 mile run, proper hydration is absolutely essential to keeping your body going without over-stressing your cardiovascular system.
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The Tune Best Armband is the best armband out there for both heavy running and light jogging. It features a protective window cover and washable material, with support for right side up or upside down orientation to match every type of workout you can imagine. Attach it to your arm or even your thigh with the EX3 length extender pushing it beyond the default 9-17 inch adjustment options if needed (EX3 sold separately). The dual-orientation also makes for a more convenient way to access your iPhone without requiring you to remove it from the armband. Just extend your arm up to eye level, and you can navigate through your iPhone without the hassle of stopping, removing it from the case, and tapping through to what you need.
The great thing about the Tune Best Armband is the stretchable form-fitting material, which supports newer iPhone models as well as the older, bulkier iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS. You'll never have to stress about your iPhone being exposed to water damage if you're running out in the rain or snow with the water-proof design, and the protective front cover ensures a scratch-resistant environment in case you happen to slip or fall while you're out on a jog in less than ideal weather.
For safety nuts, the Tune Best Armband includes a highly reflective logo for night jogging, and you won't have to worry about your earbud cord getting in the way with the built-in cord organizer. Just wrap your earbud cable around the flap for a tangle-free experience! For runners, the Tune Belt Sport Armband is definitely the way to go.
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- Reflective logo for safety
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There's nothing worse than headsets that fall or flop out of your ears when you're running. It completely takes you out of the zone and leaves you fumbling for your music rather than focusing on your run. Enter UltraFit, a range of high performance headsets specifically engineered to stay in your ears, even if you're running cross-country (or jumping on a trampoline!)
Polk offers both cheaper and premium alternatives, and because of the design, the UltraFit don't block out all noise -- so you can hear cars getting close or friends complaining when you leave them in the dust. The hire end models also include remote controls on the cables to easily control your audio apps without fussing with your iPhone.
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RunKeeper is quite possibly the best app out there for runners. RunKeeper uses the GPS included in the iPhone to measure distance, elevation, duration, speed and pace of your run, and more. It also follows your routes on a map and gives you the ability to plan your route ahead of time, giving you a much better overall idea of how easy or difficult your run will be -- all before even getting started! RunKeeper also comes with the following features:
- Social Network Sharing
- Personalized Dashboard
- Target Pace with built-in coaching (via headphones)
- Interval workouts/runs
The app also includes full iPod integration, so you won't have to jump out of the app and into music library in order to change tracks or switch to another playlist.
In addition, RunKeeper includes audio prompts that cycle through your headphones to give you information and updates on your run without any user input required. If you're new to running or if you've been running for a while, RunKeeper is definitely the first app you'll want to look into.
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Get Running (Couch to 5K)
Get Running is an app for new runners. This little gem of an app will get you running for a full 30 minutes, non-stop, by integrating three daily workouts over a nine-week period, starting slow and building up to the ability to finish a full 5K run!
- Social Sharing
- Set up a personalized plan
- iPod integration for working with or without your music
- Full activity and achievement log
Get Running is the only 5K running app that coaches you up like an actual human coach would, so you'll feel more motivated to keep progressing as you go through the program. By encouraging you to keep moving forward, you'll be able to run a full 5K stretch in no time!
If you're new to running and want to make the process a bit less scary, Get Running is the app for you!
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iMapMyRun is a more basic running app that does exactly what the title implies. It maps your run and gives you information related to your run, such as pace, distance, caloric output, nutrition information, elevation, heart rate stats and features a live route map update in real-time as you go.
The app offers great social integration as well, so if you're into building up your bragging rights amongst fellow runners, iMapMyRun+ offers an always up-to-date list of the latest runs you or your friends have been on.
Just like RunKeeper, iMapMyRun+ features voice prompts to update you with all of these stats on-the-go so you don't have to stop and check the app to see how you're doing. You also have the option of posting bragging rights to Twitter and Facebook if you want to keep your friends up to date on how you're doing. It also includes full iPod integration with a GPS camera. The free app comes with ads, so you'll have to purchase the full app if you don't want that to become an annoyance for you.
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Now get running!
Whether you're new to jogging or are a seasoned marathoner, there are tons of great iPhone apps and accessories will help you to be the best runner you can possibly be. I've been using these apps and accessories to help get in shape, and I couldn't have picked a better device to assist in the process. The iPhone -- paired with these apps and accessories -- is the perfect solution for running and jogging.
If you have any additional accessories or apps that you consider the best-of-the-best, make sure to mention them in the comments below. And if you're joining us for Mobile Nations Fitness Month, and running or jogging is your exercise of choice, jump into our Health & Fitness Forum and work out with us!
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Best iPhone apps and accessories for running and jogging
Yup, best one out there is Endomondo!
Ive been Endomondo Pro for years, used it on my Blackerry Storm and it's even better on the iPhone. It does everything the Runkeeper will do and it wil even intergrate with a Bluetooth heart monitor as well... GPS is very accurate and the routing options are endless. Another cool feature is the social aspect - your friends can see you (if you allow it) out and can send you "pep talks" that the app will therefore read aloud to you. Outstanding app - would love to see a good review on it as well... They have a free version as well.
I use MotionX, it's GPS works well and you can get audio feedback at intervals duing your exercise.
If you like zombies, then also check out an app coming to the app store called Zombies, Run! I just got a beta copy for preordering (not sure if they are still doing it). It's a game and run info tracker that will work with Runkeeper.
As you run you automatically pick up random items to build your base when you get home and play the game. As you run a mission, you hear the base break in over your music to tell you that zombies are chasing you! It rocks!
Search "ZR Advance" in the app store to read up too. I'm don't have anything to do with this site or company. I'm just a huge zombie and running fan!
Zombies, Run! looks like it might be fun... Think I will wait till it drops from the $7.99 intro price though.
Currently stuck to running on a treadmill, while in Afgh, and unsure how they've tied that into all the program, despite saying it was.
From your experience... is it a time based interaction (Between songs) or a GPS distance based interaction?
are you kidding, that is THE app, i cant think of how there would be a better app for running, i'm talking about the Nike+ GPS that tracks all your data, routes, makes great statistics and keeps you interested to easy motivation.
The bad part about using the Nike apps is that if you want to export/import your runs to another program it is nearly impossible.
Any other suggestions then the armband? I think a belt clip might be better for me. Any suggestions? Thanks.
I have a Tuneband (top result on Amazon if you search iPhone armband). It is a silicone case, with a separate armband that you can use. I absolutely love it, and it has worked way better than the other 3 armbands I've used.
There is a couple recommendations that have been overlooked. MiCoach is an exceptional app for running. It will set a whole plan up for what you want to accomplish. It will create intervals for cardio training/heart rate to enable stamina build up. Also it has a shoe mileage tracker that makes it less work wondering when you need to replace your shoes.
As far as gear. Yurbuds are great. Very comfortable. Will not fall out and are cheaper than what is shown above. Not only that, the silicone cover can go right over the headphones that come with the phone. I use them on 10+ mile runs and no discomfort. They start at about for $25 just for the ear bud covers. $35 for entry level buds. These things are tough too. Mine went through the washer and still worked and I am still using them today and the washer incident happened in September. I believe there is a yurbuds app for sizing them on the app store. Hope that helps some out.
Digifit is the only way to go with running...heart rate and gps
I have used RunKeeper for over a year, and now use iSmoothRun... it exports to RunKeeper, so I still have the benefit of using RunKeeper's great website, plus it also exports to DailyMile, RunningFreeOnline, TribeSports and TrainingPeaks, and GPX/KML. It uses ANT+ sensors, tracks shoe/bike mileage, has a great interval/workout editor, and great audio feedback during the run.
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There's a new running app that people might want to check out. It is called Sociercise Real Time Running Races and lets users compete in real time against other runners in set distance races. Very motivating to actually race someone in real time. It also has a mapper for your route, individual workouts, and goal setting and tracking. Check it out (http://www.sociercise.com/).
I found a new App called "Run Practice" (www.run-practice.com). It has some features I have never seen before. It has more or less the same statistical data like time, distance, pace, speed, avg. pace (but no calories burned, but I never used that before). The new amazing feature is this: You can race against yourself. Nothing new you say? It is in the way it is done in this App! You can run against as many "Ghosts" as you like. You always see your current ranking, your distance to the best ghost, to the next best ghost and to the next ghost behind you. The other very cool feature is the automatic start/stop mechanism. When you have recorded your "Mastertrack" the App recognizes the start and finish line and starts and stops recording automatically. After running you can analyze your run(s) with the Replay mode, or even more comfortable with Google Earth. Everything for only 2 Bucks. No Ads, no restrictions, no InApps, no Pro Version. It is absolutly worth the money.


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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: "Very Lucky To Be Alive"
Below is a copy of an e-mail a friend sent me yesterday morning, he said this happened Sunday in Soldotna, Alaska. One hell of a testimonal for a Ruger Alaskan .454 Casull.
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King season is over, and since i had a day off before silvers start, i thought i would go for a walk! this occurred at 11:16 am this morning (Sunday), just 2/10 of a mile from my house, ON OUR ROAD while walking my dogs (trying to get in shape for hunting season, ironically!) for the record, this is in a residential area-not back in the woods, no bowhunting, no stealth occurring...
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Can someone of sound mind just explain to me why there seems to be this rift starting between those who will play P2P and those who enjoy F2P? Can't we both have cake and eat it?
I myself enjoy F2P since I started checking them out, and then dropping most like a rock after finding that almost all were grindy, horrible worlds where there was nothing but monsters at every corner! I'm looking at you Flyff and Rappelz.
I don't see a problem with P2P, or F2P. I do with P2W, but that's something else. I really enjoyed F2P, back before that thing called youtube, you young people use. It allowed someone to ttry a game without having to commit. I'll admit it, I bought Tabula Rasa. I know the shame. But once I had bought it, and it was P2P, I felt I had to play to get my money out of it. That's not playing a game. That's a chore, and I actually enjoyed playing it for a bit.
And yes the item mall is there to make them their money back, in fact I see it as more of a donation button. If you enjoyed the game quite a bit donate some money.
F2P is not the end of the world, and guess what? It's been around almost as long as P2P. It's almost got a seesaw effect going when you think about it. There was more P2P before, and as quality waned the audience turned to F2P. Now if F2P wanes they may go back to P2P for a better quality. Who knows?
The more I'm around the forums on this site, the more bitter I become.
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Originally posted by blognorg
Diablo 3 is an AAA game even if it is not an MMORPG and it is pay to win in the sense that someone that is willing to spend lets say 1000$ can afford the best available gear from the get go while a player that cant or wont pay will have to farm for ages for the same gear.
Now about companyes explicit mentioning that cash shop is not P2W, so what? No company on their right mind would ever say up front they are doing such things, games that do provide the P2W model do not advertise (looking at u Perfect World and Fiesta).
I see people worried about the free to play trend because there are plenty of bad executions of the model and they are worried that if the companys find it more profitable they are very likely to choose this bussness model and provide a service similar to the bad ones around.
I do believe it is possible to make a good free to play game that is balanced but the issue i have is that majority of the player base are dumb as a door and companys are greedy.The combination of those 2 things are enought to turn a sucessfull well balanced free to play game into a pay to win.After all the company can add new items to the cash shop at any given time so even if it starts fine it can change at any given time and there are plenty of examples of P2W games out there that are doing pretty well meaning there are enought players willing to fork the money to win no matter what.Just saying so people can keep this in mind, once u had spent months playing a game capping, farming gear, making friends and a few items ur not happy with are added to the cash shop it is harder to leave then when ur about to start playing and u dislike the stuff they are selling.
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there are 2 model that worked in america thus far,wow model and guildwars 2 model!ignore the wow greed about going p2p with cash shop ,this isnt the futur !what blizzard does can probablyt only be done by wow!the reason why f2p is so popular is because in asia if there hadnt been f2p there would not be gaming in asia!the reason it is catching on elsewhere is because yes they lose money with a lot of costumer but the more player there is the higher their margin is so the come up on top in the long run!
this being said even there if the game is lame it will still have no player!
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Originally posted by Warley
"Joe stated his case logically and passionately, but his perceived effeminate voice only drew big gales of stupid laughter..." -Idiocracy
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Like some have mentioned, lol has never been p2p. To be honest, it doesn't really matter it it started f2p or not. My point still stands, lol is a good example of f2p done right.
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Originally posted by eyelolled
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What I can not understand is a war between P2P and F2P. One person would enjoy p2p only (without cashs hops and any restrictions). Another person would enjoy free world (with some restrictions and possible cash shop).
What's wrong then? I like McDonalds, you like Hesburger, but we both like same type of food. Why say ""McDonalds:you don''t want this" or "Hesburger:you don't want this"?
Once I saw a movie where one woman escaped from mafia prison, grabbed a bag with cash and went to buy a car. She chose a car and then asked some shoes to be sold. Seller goes to manager: "Sir, this mad woman wants shoes to the car, but we don't sell shoes!". Manager: "Do you want to know why you are still seller and I am manager?". Seller: "yes". Manager: "This woman is a wise one, because she came to shop with us".
In short: if user choses pay-to-play model, it's ok. If user choses buy-to-play model, it's ok. If user choses freemium (please note I do not use word "free" since no game is 100% free) content, it's ok. Companies just adapt to this. If all users would start requesting that all food in any MMORPG would be called "burger", companies would surely rename to burgers.
In Lithuania some students launched an online game (cosmic strategy). Freemium, of course: want to accelerate that building - pay in cash. One person spent some 600 $ in a day and they asked why. "I just did not want to wait" - told that person from some Scandinavian country.
So - if users are willing to use freemium model, what's wrong with it? I do not claim future is for f2p, p2p or b2p. So far freemium content is what seems to be future.
One more note: even at freemium content, you may play and spent zero dollars zero cents. No one forces you to pay (yes, that cool armor won't be yours and that line of quests won't be yours too, but you can still enjoy the game). It's up to you, no company would ever push you "buy or get banned".
When mmos go f2p players unfortuantely forgive developers for making a crap game because they don't have to pay the monthly fee anymore so to them all is so much better now. F2P is bad for the mmo genre for the long term because the expectations of a f2p mmo is so much lower than a subscription mmo which have much higher expectations. F2P is nothing more than an excuse for devs not to work as hard as they should.
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What is "real"? How do you define "real"?
Originally posted by Warley
That's absolutely ridiculous. I really wish people would stop playing the victim of "these evil corporations". If you aren't smart enough or informed enough to make a good decision about how you spend your money and time, that is your problem. If a company takes advantage of the fact that you are a fool who is easily parted with his money, who's to blame? I say the fool is.
Besides, all you have to do is start playing an f2p game - for free btw, you know, no up front costs - and stop when you come across something you don't agree with in the cash shop. If you can't stop yourself because you "love this game so much", maybe you should seek professional help.
Just because some poster in a forum says so and so game is awesome and such and such sword is the most awesome thing ever, doesn't mean you have to fall for it. But....like P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute."
Just to be clear, when I say "you", I'm not referring directly to you personally, Warley. Unless of course you are actually one of the "fools" I talked about in the first paragraph.
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Only 2 good P2P ~~> FTP games I have seen/played were Aion and Lineage 2. (Hold up wait I actually enjoyed FTP games)
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What is "real"? How do you define "real"?
Originally posted by eyelolled
Holy crap! "Eyelolled" my ass off!
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:Ia Subs are a forced commitment, which is something that can't stand up to the increased options available that don't force a monetary commitment from players. I really don't think it's about "value" or how much you'll pay in the long run, but about being given that choice to pay.
To give you a slightly different perspective on it, subscriptions are on "rails." The amount you pay is determined by the publisher, what you get for your money is determined by the devs and publisher. There is no freedom in this payment model, your choices are made for you, you either abide by them or don't play.
Can F2P cost you more? Yes.
Can it include underhanded tactics to encourage players to pay more? Yes.
Anyone who has played a F2P mmo knows this. You aren't bringing anything new to the table by pointing these things out.
But F2P also offers choices in how, when, why, and if they want to spend that money. And those choices make the payment model extremely appealing, and are why F2P is currently gaining more and more strength.
My solution?
Find a sub mmo and support if you feel that strongly about this. Otherwise, learn to adapt, because soapboxing on a forum isn't going to change this.
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Originally posted by xdemonhunter
I see what you're saying, and your right; D3 is totally a P2W game. However, I'll mention two things.
One, you can still technically buy most of the same stuff with in-game gold, so people that use real money don't have a unique advantage.
Two, they recieved a ton of flack for it, and they damaged their company name in doing so. People are starting to turn on Blizzard. If they make too many more money grabs like they did with Diablo 3, then it's going to start costing them financially.
Another thing is that developers have to be a lot more careful with F2P, because if there's no box charge and they drive away their player-base with crummy money grabs, then they're going to fail. D3 was a special case; the IP is huge, and very few, if any, games could get away with what they did. I really don't expect that to become the norm; it's the exception.
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"F2P: You don't want this" ... I dont? Lemme think... actually I think I somewhat do :)
I like to hop around mmo's and since all of my played ones went to f2p during the last couple of years, it's much more easier to play them. Don't have to resub/cancel, planning forward what would I like for the next month, etc.
When I find some free time, I can play with any of them, log in to help a buddy, participate in events or just socialize.
For me f2p means this freedom first, and only second the "free as in cost-free" aspect.
But of course it's playstyle dependant, I play mmo's for the content (the rpg part), and since the majority of the playerbase are towards the opposite (powerlevelling, endgame grinding, etc), companies usually charge that part - which is good for me :)
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I want f2p. I seriously do. And if I like what I see I might even throw in few bucks for something extra.
What I really don't want is to pay 60$ for a box and then further 20$ for monthly sub just to get nothing in return. I don't like buying pig in a poak.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
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Originally posted by gaeanprayer
Thanks for the tips on those games. I will check them out.
Sorry OP but I like F2P. Some games are fun and some aren't as fun. I like the cash shop in some games and not so much in others. I generally spend some money with games I like and don't with those I don't like.
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I prefer P2P games, the charges are up front and clear, you know what your buying into. With F2P games thats often not the case, getting the same 'level' of gameplay out of a F2P game, you often have to pay a lot more than you would if you had been playing a P2P game.
MMO's have to be profitable to exist, but a lot of F2P games on the market, perhaps not all of them, but enough to allow a 'generalisation', are short termist cash grabs that arent concerned about how long a player stays with the game, but only about how much money they will spend while they are.
B2P is probably the most reputable form of F2P there is, but as with all F2P games, its always wise to research the game and read the small print.
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Originally posted by blognorg
This kind comes down to each person definition on Pay to Win, the way i see it if someone for the sake of example with umlimited funds can obtain items or anything else that would take a regular player months to get by farming gold or farming for rares thats pay to win for me.The only definition that everybody seems to agree on is that of cash shops that sell items that are superior than anything else in the game and can only be bought from the cash shop but there are other kinds as i just mentioned even though it varies from player to player.
As far as i can tell Blizzard received alot of negative response from Diablo 3 mostly because the player base thinks the game is bad i didnt see many complains regarding the real money auction house, i could be wrong of course just saying that the complains i saw werent so much adressed at that feature as it was to the gameplay.You should also notice that what billzard did on Diablo 3 is sort of a "test drive" they were experimenting on this bussness model and wanted to see the kind of response and money they could make out of it.Sadly none other than Blizzard itself has the number concerning the RMAH so we dont know if it is providing to be a sucess or not but assuming it turns out to be making alot of money despite complains or not do u honestly think they wouldnt add such feature to their future games if they believe it is a winning strategy? Gotta keep in mind that the big companys tend to follow trends, like P2P is the bussness model that majority uses if it turns out F2W provides more revenue of course majority of the AAA games will follow that model.
As i said i believe you can create a very good free to play game with a cash shop that wont affect players gameplay based on how much they spend, there are a few sucessfull examples on the market even though most are FSP or MOBA the issue i have is even if u do start it off fair nothing stoping the ones in charge from chaning it to P2W in the future.
There are 2 main reasons to mess with a good F2P game:
1-It aint paying itself up, like it or not if u release an AAA game as free to play right of the bat u need to make plenty of money to pay up for developming costs, u need people to buy stuff of the cash shop and cosmetic stuff alone prolly wont generate alot of revenue so they will add more advantages in hopes of getting more players to spent and get enought money to pay for the game
2-Game is doing fine but the ones in charge want more money.People mention this over and over again on this forums, companys are in for the profit.They might be making money but want more so they start slowly changing the cash shop into P2W in baby-steps, add new items that provide small advantages and see the community response and sales and see how far they can go and get away with.I have seen couple games that did such thing, some even started of without a cash shop and it slowly evolved into the P2W model.
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Originally posted by Warley
Every company in the world.
The reason we go to work? To make money.
Opportunity to make more money? We take it.
Opportunity to have less outgoing payments? We take it.
We like to vilify "corporations" for trying make money, while each and every one of us is out to do the best we can at making the best possible living we can.
We all know by now how F2P makes money: more people paying less overall than having a few people pay more. It's easier to get 750K people to spend 5$ a month than it is to get 250K people to spend 15$. The companies with the best way of doing this will win out in the end.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
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I don't see a problem if a game has a Subscription model and a Free to Play model within it. The subscription model typically gives the player all available content, and the other a pay as you go sort of deal. It kind've is the best for both parties.
That said, I've spent more money on subscription games the past fourteen years or so than I ever have on F2P microtransactions. Had multiple accounts on UO, like five mules on FFXI, one on planetside, five accounts on WoW, two on DAoC, one on warhammer, one on Age of Conan, FFXIV, TOR, etc. Most of the time they were all active at once simply because I maybe wanted to play one once a month whenever I felt like it. Match that with server transfers among other things that they typically have offered, along with expansions, I probably spent tens upon tens of thousands of dollars on subscription fee based games.
Granted I also made quite a bit of money selling old UO accounts back when MMO gaming was more so considered an investment to some; accounts that had multiple castles and vilas were worth incredible sums of money on player to player transactions. Then that craze roughly ended around FFXI's time with gil sellers and their strike teams to prevent such, and the community grew off the idea of IRL transactions = bad. This is especially true with the WoW crowd, since WoW brought in so many people to the genre who basically grew up on the matter that Peer to peer transactions or third party transactions weren't good. Though, Blizzard tried to bring peer to peer back with their four player RPG Diablo III.
All in all, I'd like a game that didn't hold my characters hostage with a monthly fee, especially since I enjoy many MMOs and feel harassed to play a game more than I would like a month simply to get my money's worth.
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Theres always something new to see, wherever you are.
The other day I took a different route to work at the University, here in Columbia, and found a real spectacle. Garden flowers, putting on a show, in late November? Whats it all about?
There are plenty of flowering plant species that wait until autumn (or even winter) to bloom. Of course, fall asters and goldenrods (as well as other members of the sunflower family) figure in to this equation, but they are basically at the end of blooming. Lemon marigold and several species of gentian (bottle flowers) like to bloom in the middle of winter, too. Late bloomers, as they are, are probably able to capitalize on whatever pollinators happen to be in the area; we might expect that late-blooming species would be pollinated by just about any insect that still happens to be flying around. After all, most of the insects have begun a steep decline by late autumn.
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Joined: 12/09/11
This was going to be my game ...
during beta however i noticed soooo many things that were wrong that it made me almost cry ...
i made post after post after post with things they should fix before they should even be thinking about launching ..
then they launched and we know the rest
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"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit." -Vyse
Originally posted by Djildjamesh
Does that mean you'll be checking out the free week for 1.0 and/or free month of 2.0?
Originally posted by FleshMask
I'm not a FF fanboy or anything. I actually hated this game when I played during beta, but as far as reusing a few boulder models here and there...you do realize that WoW reuses entire maps for many areas, right?
Of all the issues this game had (and still has) this one is just a hater's desperate grasping at straws.
Originally posted by Satimasu
Like the kiddies say, "Haters gonna hate".
He obviously doesn't know the "current state of the game" if he doesn't play it.
As someone who was painfully disappointed during beta and at launch, I have to say having come back to the game about a week ago, its much improved. Still a ways to go, but much improved.
I've been spending most of my time crafting (being the craftoholic that I am). I'll agree that it was pretty grueling at launch, but the crafting is much improved over what it was, which he would also know if he'd actually tried the game recently.
My big problem right now is trying to find a linkshell that will accept newbies.
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Joined: 5/17/11
If you're on Aegis... ask for invite from Grover Eyeveen.
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Joined: 12/16/10
Im very tempted by this offer, but I think I will wait for 2.0 before I return to FFXIV.
Originally posted by ZizouX
Thanks but I'm on...Excalibur...I think...
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Originally posted by Satimasu
Really, read what you're replying to, please. I never said the game wasn't worth playing no matter how much content they add, My point was that listing only the 3 added things as Smithdag did, isn't enough to convince anyone that they turned a trainwreck into something that would suddenly be a "great launch" if they re-released. Understand what you read, instead of just drawing silly conclusions from thin air.
I don't think they've done a great job, as you claim. Yoshi and his teams, they are hundreds of people, one of the largest MMO dev teams on the planet, and still one of the slowest. It's insane how little they get done, considering the amount of devs, and how much time they've spent so far.
Btw, I never played the game at release, so my impressions are not from 2010, if anyone happens to believe so. I started playing in August, iirc, and my last hours spent ingame was during Christmas.
Originally posted by Netspook
They are rebuilding the entire game in a completely new engine. Thats a pretty huge undertaking that doesn't happen overnight. Especially when trying to keep people interested in the current game at the same time.
I'm not saying that excuses them for the launch or for outsourcing the majority of the game's development, but expectations should at least be realistic.
With the exception of FFXI, I haven't liked a single Final Fantasy game since SquareSoft's and Enix's high speed collision that left the two conjoined as the monstrous Squeenix blob its become, but I'm personally impressed that they'd go to such lengths. Most companies would've just cut their losses and scrapped the project.
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Joined: 5/17/11
They are building a new game for 2.0 (new servers, new engine, new graphics, new infrastructure, new story, new zones, etc.).
They are adding new content every 2-3 months to the old/original/current game.
You should give credit where credit is due. I canceled SWTOR to keep playing FFXIV. That $10 sub for life is going to be sweet!
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Joined: 1/08/07
you all can wait while i'm enjoying my Diablo 3 and then Guild Wars 2. good luck. life is short
Originally posted by ZizouX
I have to admit, this was my sole motivation for trying the game out again. Cant knock their marketing at least.
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Joined: 2/28/05
Plus Tera is kicking so much ass at this point I now have zero interest in trying this game again.
Maybe next year ff14 but until then good luck.
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Joined: 6/24/07
"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit." -Vyse
Originally posted by Netspook
I could just say the same thing back to you. You're drawing silly conclusions.
So yeah, the latter half of 2011 was when they were going big into changing the mechanics. It doesn't help that the code is so badly written, it takes them a super long time to get anything done. That's why it was so slow going. That's why they're making 2.0. Patch 1.22 came out a month after 1.21. Plus, they're rebuilding the game from scratch in less than 2 years. So keeping 1.0 active with content and creating quality of life improvement, some of which will be completely gone in 2.0, making it almost seem like a waste, and remaking the game at the same time is pretty impressive. Can hate the game all you want, but you can't hate that the new people behind it have been working their butt off. Yoshida has been completely open and explaining why he can't do something now, or why it takes so long, or what he plans to do about it. He's almost getting in trouble all the time for revealing too much and wanting to show us everything. Nothing but props to them.
Look Netspook, I've got nothing against you, or anyone else that doesn't like the game for whatever reason. I'd be glad if any of you decided to give it another shot during the free week for 1.0 or free month for 2.0. I just think this new team deserves a shot. They're finally getting things where they want them and want to show everyone the work they've put in. This new team hasn't wronged us like the last one, and I think they are still the getting the anger directed at the old team.
E3 is in a month. We'll see how far they've come with 2.0.
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Originally posted by ghostinfinit
I'm right there with you. I never even installed my CE copy, I was waiting for a major fix patch that might resolve some issues I saw during beta, then I kept waiting as I read a lot of negative feedback, and kept waiting...
Ever since I read about 2.0 a while back, I've been keeping my fingers crossed that I can finally install the game and hopefully enjoy my experience.
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Joined: 1/03/06
I give you less than a month before you are singing my tune. kiddo.
after all you are stating you are a newbie "My big problem right now is trying to find a linkshell that will accept newbies."
I was playing until they decided to charge money for something incomplete, I was there since day one....
I speak from an experiance that you foolish disregaurd as a childish rant... after all you only been playing for a short while, and think you know something I do not...
Just being real.
Originally posted by FleshMask
I know what I like...you do not. People can, and do like things that you dont like.
Thats about as real as it gets.
I played during the beta and decided against subscribing once it released because I didn't like the game in the state it was in at the time. I'm coming back now and enjoying it a hell of a lot more than I did then. I call myself "new" because I'm just starting out again and there's a lot of the game I haven't experienced yet, and a lot of changes it's undergone since beta. So yeah, as long as you continue to make blind assumptions about my personal preferences, I'll continue to disregard them as childish rantings.
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Joined: 6/24/07
"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit." -Vyse
Originally posted by FleshMask
Because it's coming off exactly as a childish rant. Feel free to disagree with things like they started charging too early, but you're just going way out there.
I like SE. I really love xi and think it rocks.
I wanted to play xiv, followed threads, read posts by "fanbois" and "haters" alike.
I guess the official score of 5.1 here, user rating of 6.1 here, the metacritic score of 49/100, the user score there of 3.7 and boatload of recent, decidedly negative comments and posts are just not accurate. I mean, they just don't get it, do they?
They all just don't understand how good xiv is going to be, right?
Everyone who currently likes and defends xiv is just being objective, not a fanboi, and anyone who doesn't is a biased hater?
Everyone who claims to be having fun in xiv isn't in denial right? They're not fanbois correct?
Most of the posts I've read here and on quite a few other sites seem to be from loyal ff and se fans, current players of xi and objective reviewers. A lot of them claim to have played beta, purchased the ce etc. A lot of the posts are from people who have paid and played.
A lot of the comments begin with things like "I wanted to like xiv but" and "I was looking forward to 14".
Most of what I've read is a wall of criticism punctuated by the occasional impassioned defense.
Everyone who refers to someone as a hater quite justifiably deserves to be called a fanboi. Yes you do.
The stallwart defense of xiv is admirable, I guess. The dismissive attitude of some is amusing, or annoying, depending on your perspective.
FFXIV may get fixed, 2.0 may rock, but from what I've found around the web it is currently, based on reviews and comments, still bad. Pretty, but bad.
Not everyone who defends xiv acts like a fanboi. Seems quite a few do however.
Unless some of you actually want to sound like a blindly loyal fanboi stop dismissing criticism and start embracing it. At least try to seem objective.
Also, perhaps not in this thread, for the love of god stop telling people who criticize your beloved game to "go back to WoW".
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Originally posted by Satimasu
Those two have been on this board since launch (despite Fleshmask claiming he once was "just like you", and netspook claiming that he only started last August) trashing this game at every step (mostly with the same arguments). Now whether that is childish or not, it does no use arguing with them. They have both commited so heavily to this game being the epitome of evil and stealing their innocence that no one is going to convince them it has changed.
It's just what they do. It's what they've always done, and it is what they always will continue to do.
Originally posted by Korgborg
Usually you only hear people tell someone to "go back to WoW" when people criticize everything that isn't WoW-like about a game.
"This game doesn't have instances!...fail!"
"Where's the LFG and LFR functions?...fail"
"There are no PVP factions?...fail"
"Where are the big shoulders and capes? I want to look badass!...fail" (Believe it or not I've actually heard this complaint about some other games. I always thought the armor in WoW was ridiculous and gaudy-looking, but to each his own.)
As for the rest of your post that I conveniently snipped for the sake of length, you seem to have this idea that EVERYONE is either a fanboy or a hater; that there is no inbetween. Thats a very naive way to view things.
I, for example, have disliked every single-player Final Fantasy game since FF7, and even 7 I always thought that while it was a good game, it was celebrated far beyond what it deserved..
I did happen to play FFXIV during beta...mind you this means for free...and I still felt ripped off. I played for about a week last December just before they went P2P because it was cheap and I'd kept hearing how improved it was over beta. I still didn't like it then either, though it was admittedly much more stable than I remembered it.
Just recently I tried it again because of this Legacy Campaign they're doing. I knew I wanted to see the differences 2.0 made, so I decided to take the gamble and subscribe for 90 days to lock in the $10 sub price. Except it turns out that this time, the changes that they've made make the game much more enjoyable than it used to be. Crafting is not as ridiculous as it used to be; the game is even more stable than it was in December as well.
I still think its a flawed game. There are still aspects of it that I dislike. However I've never played a "perfect" MMO, and in it's current state, I'm enjoying FFXIV.


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Monmouth University Professor of Mathematics Bonnie Gold received the Twenty-Second Annual Louise Hay Award from The Association for Women in Mathematics (AWM).
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