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ANIMAL FACTS - Giraffe
Giraffes are the tallest land animals in existence with males reaching up to 5.5 metres (18 ft) tall.
Giraffes are the tallest land animal in existence. Males reach heights of 5.5 meters (18 ft) and weigh up to 1900kg. At birth, calves are approx 1.8 meters (6ft) tall and weigh approximately 50-55kg. Giraffes have extremely long necks which they use to reach browse high in the trees. Surprisingly, they have only seven vertebrae in their neck - the same as humans, mice and most other mammals! However, the vertebrae in a giraffe's neck are far more elongated.
(Giraffa camelopardalis)
Giraffes are native to Africa and are reasonably widespread. They are found in open woodlands and savannah habitats.
A very long neck allows giraffes to reach all the leaves that the smaller browsing animals cannot. In fact, the only competition giraffes have for food is the elephant which can use its trunk to reach branches, or simply push the tree over! Giraffes are selective browsers feeding mainly from varieties of Acacia and Combretum plant species. From time to time, they are seen eating vines, herbs or even chewing on bones for extra minerals. They spend a whopping 16-20 hours-per-day browsing. Giraffes have a prehensile tongue which they use like fingers by curling it around the leaves to pluck them easily from the branch. Their tongue is very long– growing up to 40cm in length!
Giraffes are quiet animals and generally rely on sight as their primary sense. However, they do possess vocal chords which allow them to make a variety of sounds. Adults bellow, grunt and make a whistling noise, while calves bleat and moo. They are also able to communicate with infra-sound - a low frequency sound which is undetectable to humans.
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Forrest is a lucky boy as he is the token male in the giraffe herd of seven at Australia Zoo. He is the proud father of three beautiful girls, Skye, Lily and Tulip who can be easily spotted on the savannah as they're much shorter than the rest of the herd.
Forrest was born in 2007, and came to Australia Zoo in May 2009, all the way from Auckland Zoo in New Zealand. Although he stands much taller than the females, it is likely he still has a bit of growing to do. He could get taller and could potentially weigh as much as 1900kg when fully grown!
Forrest became a first-time father in October 2013 when baby Skye was born to mother Rosie. Sally and Penny gave birth to Forrest's second and third daughters Tulip and Lily in mid-2014 and he has continued to mature with fatherhood. When he was younger, Forrest could be demanding around food if not fed fast enough. However, these days he is much more relaxed and is a doting father to Skye, Lily and Tulip.
Sex: Female
Heavily pregnant Penny is due to give birth to her first baby in August! Penny was the first giraffe ever to call Australia Zoo her home and she is also the first ever giraffe to live in Queensland. As if she needed anything else to make her special...
Penny was born at Perth Zoo and came here to us in May 2009, joined shortly after by male giraffe Forrest.
Penny is a cheeky character, and if any of our giraffes are up to mischief - you can almost guarantee it will be Penny! She likes to be first for training and first to eat, but unfortunately missed out on being first to give birth in our giraffe herd.
Next time you're visiting the Africa exhibit, keep your eye out for Penny by looking for a butterfly-shaped pattern on her chest. We're expecting her first baby in August, so you may just see her little one next time you are here too!
Sex: Female
Rosie is Australia Zoo's friendly mother-of-one to Skye, born in October last year.
She's proven to be a loving mum for her little one, and – as Forrest is giving Rosie lots of attention again, we have a feeling it may not be too long before she is pregnant again, which would be extremely exciting for the Australia Zoo family!
After arriving from Monarto Zoo in South Australia in 2009, Rosie quickly warmed to keepers and is easily the most confident female giraffe. She loves her food and enjoys interacting with guests during the encounter, where they are of course...feeding her!
Sex: Female
Recognisable by her pale appearance and pastel orange spots, mother-to-be Sally is shy but sweet in nature.
While giraffe can often be bossy around feeding time, keepers observe Sally letting the other giraffe go first. Sally is happy to wait her turn for food, and has excellent manners to pass on to her calf when it is born!
Sally came to Australia Zoo in 2011 from Monarto Zoo in South Australia. Australia Zoo keepers have enjoyed building trust with Sally and note that her training is progressing well. Due any day now, she is the talk of Africa!


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Michael Bisping: I Dont Think Im Going To Be Fighting For The Title Soon
Michael Bisping: I Don't Think I'm Going To Be Fighting For The Title Soon - FightCove.comTo be honest right now, I dont think Im going to be fighting for the title soon. Bisping said in an interview with MMA Elite. Obviously Andersons fighting this weekend against Stephan Bonnar and, you know, I think they want him to fight GSP. Anderson said this week as well his focus right now is on GSP so, well see, its a little frustrating for myself but you know I just want to keep fighting whoever the UFC says Ill fight and eventually Ill get my shot, you know?
Just keep beating guys eventually I will get my shot and I will be the champion.
Some fighters in Bispings position would wait on the sidelines to see how certain situations unfold, but not The Count. Bisping wants to get back in the cage immediately and continue to prove his worth and solidify his top contenders status.
Hopefully its not going to be a big long layoff, said Bisping. Im hoping to get in there ASAP.
Although the UFC middleweight division is arguably in its most competitive state in history, The Ultimate Fighter season three winner is unsure of who he will be matched up with next as a majority of the top-10 fighters in his division are booked for fights before the end of the year.
Right now I mean all the contenders that I wanted to fight theyve all got fights, Bisping explained. Alan Belchers fighting Okami, Id like to fight him. Chris Weidmans fighting Tim Boetsch, Id like to fight Chris Weidman.
So all the contenders theyre all taken, theyre all booked up, you know theyre all ducking me, theyre all avoiding me and listen, I just want to keep fighting I love what I do, I love being part of the UFC..

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Horne: Armed school faculty good second option to police
When it comes to protecting Arizona schools, Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne said, while he would prefer armed police officers in every school, the idea is not financially viable and arming faculty is a good second option.
"It's unlikely the legislature is going to be able to afford to pay for a policeman in every school," he told News/Talk 92.3 KTAR's Karie & Chuck on Thursday. "This is the second best proposal."
Horne's proposal would see one volunteer faculty member, likely the principal, at each school trained in handling a firearm and emergency situation response. Once they complete the course, that faculty member would be permitted to keep a firearm in a secure location on school property. Their name would not be released.
"I see my proposal as a golden mean between two extremes," said Horne. "One extreme, as people have proposed, would let any teacher who wants to to bring guns to school. I think that would create more danger than it would solve."
Horne said the other extreme is not doing anything and possibly allowing another incident similar to that in Newtown, Conn. to occur.
Overall, Horne said he has received many messages of support, including some from county sheriffs, but some teachers' unions said they feel multiple guns on campus will create more potential violence. Horne said he shares that fear.
"If you have a lot of guns around the school, kids will get at them," he said. "It could cause a lot of trouble. When teachers confiscate cell phones, sometimes kids can break the locks and get at their cell phones. It wouldn't be safe to have a lot of people bringing guns."


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Updated: Roku [and TiVo] getting Hulu Plus, can Apple TV have it too?
Looks like Hulu Plus will be coming to Apple TV competitor Roku. There's already a Hulu Plus app for Apple's iPad, and while my deepest, darkest wish is that it will support AirPlay to beam content straight to Apple TV, past history (and its use of non-standard video controls) make me think it won't. And hey, even if by some miracle it does, just like Apple TV has built-in Netflix support, built-in support for Hulu Plus would be huge (no need to waste iPad resources and Wi-Fi bandwidth).
It would also nicely round out the ABC and FOX rentals with NBC shows, and add to the back catalog available on Netflix.
Powers that be, make it so. (And make it so outside the US as well while you're at it, okay?)
Update: TiVO is getting Hulu Plus as well [@
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You wonder what Netflix had to give up? Seriously...Netflix didn't have to give up anything. AppleTV would be practically useless vs the competition without it. No one is going to pay $100 for a box that you then have to spend more money on just to get your shows. AppleTV needed Netflix more than Netflix needed it.
"Netflix didn't have to give up anything." - yes they did. Netflix is now unable to rent new releases by certain studios. That's a fairly big concession to the studios.
These are the same studios that have told Apple that $0.99 rentals "devalues" the content. Comedy Central even pulled stuff from Hulu, and Hulu's library has a lot of shows but LOTS of gaps in seasons.
Roku is outclassing Apple TV in all manners. Step it up Steve.
I bought a Samsung TV that has all the apps on it and i tried Netflix at first, thinking its just a waste but nothing to loose with a 2 week trial. LOVE IT! Then I gave HULU a chance and... LOVE IT! I ended up canceling cable about a month ago, still have the local channels and upped my internet speed to 20Mbps. With all the subscription I still save around $45 and I watch now more TV. Most 1 hour shows are done in 42 minutes, and I get what I want, when I want it.
I'm not a sport watching guy so I can do without ESPN or Comedy channel.
My buddy works for Brighthouse here in Florida and he's telling me that subscription for faster internet is way up and cancellations of Cable is way down. They keep calling me and offering me 1 month of free cable and 12 months of reduced rate cable and internet to subscribe again. "No thank you, i got all the TV and Movies I can handle"
I have a modest dual core computer connected to my 42in Plasma. No content restrictions for me....Hulu free, Netflix and anything else I can find is all mine to watch. Why purchase a content restricted box when you can get ALL internet video streamed to your TV for just the cost of your internet connection ? Set Top Boxes will be niche products until content restrictions are eliminated.


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Tuesday, October 15, 2013
Members of the ad hoc Southeast Historic District Homeowner's Association plan to present a petition for increased safety on Magnolia and Gum streets to Town Council at its meeting Wednesday night.
The group, led by Peter Gorman of South Magnolia Street, will be petitioning for "improved pedestrian and pet safety."
Gorman said within the one week the petition circulated, the group canvassed 64 residences in the historic area and got 86 signatures.
As written in the petition, the group is looking for the Town Council to "take action to improve traffic control, enforcement and pedestrian safety in our neighborhood."
Gorman said cars often use the historic streets to speed and bypass traffic in other areas of town, endangering pedestrians who live on the two streets.
The speed limit on the road is 30 mph but he said cars often double the limit.
The petition lists six action items as ways the Town could increase safety in the area: adding stop signs and crosswalks, enforcing traffic laws through increased police patrols, restricting large trucks from the streets, adding sidewalks to South Gum Street and replacing existing street lamps with lower ones.
For Gorman, it all started when his cat was run over by a speeding car two weeks ago.
After talking with neighbors, he said his pet is one of at least five that have been killed by traffic on the road.
"We're not looking for sympathy, we're looking for action," Gorman said. "It's time the city refocuses its attention on the historic district."
Teresa Friar, who's lived on Magnolia Street for 17 years and signed the petition, agreed the town should take some action to continue improving the historic area.
"Traffic has diminished a great deal since the parkway was finished, so I think we are not as concerned as we were before, but it still does need to have attention paid," she said.
Gorman and others from the ad hoc homeowner's association will address the council during the public comment portion of the meeting.
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I love that you can always see the good in things, even when I know things are going crazy around you. You are GREAT!!ReplyDelete
I just went on my first daycare field trip yesterday, to the Philadelphia Zoo. Woah! I have never seen it so crowded. I only had to chaperone my own kid, but just being around so many kids makes you appreciate school teachers and the staff at these public institutions.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousMay 31, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Teaching is a very rewarding career but they don't get paid enough!:)ReplyDelete
Love the Butterfly Conservancy! We took the girl (six years old now) when she was four and it was amazing. So so worth it.ReplyDelete
And yes, being a chaperone for a school trip DOES make you appreciate the teachers. So much patience. It's like herding cats.
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i love your blog! this is the very first post i have read and i'm hooked!! i am a nyc mother of 3 and was just on a field trip yesterday with your EXACT same thoughts.ReplyDelete
i was at a birthday party today and another chaperone from the field trip said "what did you think of yesterday's field trip?" and i wasn't sure how to answer..the first thing that came out of my mouth was their prek-4 teach is a SAINT. oh my gosh!! they are such angels for doing their job and thank goodness for them b/c i could never, ever have their job!! they must be mentally exhausted always!!
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COLUMBIA (AP) — State law enforcement is receiving $900,000 from the federal government to improve background checks for guns bought in South Carolina.
U.S. Attorney Bill Nettles announced the grant on Friday. The state Law Enforcement Division applied for it after the Legislature passed a law in May meant to prevent mentally ill residents from buying guns.
The money will be used to improve the state's use of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The federal database is used to verify whether someone attempting to buy a gun can legally own one.
The law was meant to ensure that the names of people who have been declared mentally ill by a South Carolina court or been involuntarily sent to a mental institution go into the database.
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Four members of a sex trafficking gang who transported illegal immigrants to Aiken and Lexington counties to be prostitutes have each been sentenced to more than a year in prison.
Ruben Cabanas-Torres, Donaciano Tecpa-Tecpa, Esteban Acosta-Munoz and Maria Garcia-Moreno have all pleaded guilty to their parts in a scheme to bring Hispanic women from Georgia to rural parts of Aiken County "with intent that such individuals engage in prostitution."
Cabanas-Torres, Tecpa-Tecpa and Acosta-Munoz were each sentenced to a year and a day in prison and will be deported on completion of their sentence. All involved also were guilty of the petty offense of reentering the United States without permission.
Garcia-Morena, described as the "Ring Leader" of the group, was sentenced to 33 months in prison.
In court hearings, the four admitted their crimes and claimed that none of them have an education past elementary school, something defense counsel for Garcia-Moreno raised as evidence that his client was not the real head of an organization.
"Defense counsel also did not object ... that the defendant was an organizer or leader of criminal activity. The evidence would show by a preponderance that she did act in that role in the United States," Assistant Federal Public Defender James Rogers wrote. "However, someone else was directing the operation from Mexico. With all due respect, Ms. Garcia-Moreno simply does not possess the educational background nor intelligence to mastermind such an operation. Someone had to be funneling the Hispanic women to her, arranging for the farm-worker customers to make contact with the operation and arranging for and scheduling how and when to pick up the Hispanic women from Georgia. Simply put, Ms. Garcia-Moreno is a victim herself."
There was no mention of who or what the larger organization may have consisted of.
Maria de Jesus Roque-Llanas originally was charged as being part of this conspiracy; however, those charges were dismissed by the U.S. Attorney's Office. The investigation revealed that the defendant's only role in the scheme was her agreement to transport herself across state lines to serve as a prostitute.
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•Tournament dates: March 23 – May 5.
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Is it more important to survive or to fuel somebody's fantasy notion of improverished artist? If you can't earn from your craft you don't sit there and starve, you find another way to earn a dollar. That's how the world works...........whether it's the life of a minstrel or the life of a plumber.
Last edited by Pocket-full-of-gold; 07-16-2013 at 07:53 AM.
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"I ain't got time to bleed." - Blaine
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I'm not saying musicians shouldn't be paid. I'm saying I wouldn't want to hear the sorta music made by someone who wouldn't be making music if there wasn't money in it.
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well this guy gives it to them, sums it up in 4 paragraphs......
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How about our Larry having to go out and fix a shorted out electrical panel box just for kicks.
How about a highly skilled neuro surgeon being expected to perforn brain surgery for free,after some of these doctors are reguarded as artists in their craft.
Just because what someone does for a living is as much art as it is skill or science,dosen't take it off the pay me scale.
My drums cost money.Lessons,time put into practice(time is MONEY period),maintain your instrument.Transportation costs.insurance payments,food,lodging..
For every indie band scraping out a living,there are 100 or more that fall into the play for free,and you'll get exposure line of crap from venue owners.THAT kills it for the next band,and the next band.............
I started getting paid when I was (1969) 15 or 16.School dances,block/birthday parties,what ever we could manage.Typical pay was 25-35 per man a night .
Some guys don't get that NOW.
No ,musicians should NOT get used to the free music thing.The concept of music being a combination of both art and skill has long been established.
And musicians have also LONG been getting paid to perform it.
Screw that free crap.................no pay.........no music.Screw the sensitive artist routine.Plenty of sensitive artists starved to death for their art instead of insisting they get paid to perform and not having good management or business sense.Venue owners screwing musicians out of money in NOTHING new .
Just ask the Eagles,Zepplin,Billy Joel,John Fogery and countless other "artists" who were screwed out of millions for not paying attention to the BUSINESS side of the music BUSINESS
Next time you go to a doctor or a lawyer,try to sell that free crap and that all of their servises should be pro bono.
The sooner you learn that music is a business where everybody else gets paid ,the sooner you'll learn not to play for free, then ask to get screwed,and get PAID instead..
Fun is one thing.Doing it for a living and business is something else.
Steve B
Last edited by tamadrm; 07-16-2013 at 11:58 PM.
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But personally, I would be making music at any cost, under any condition. And I would be very weary of any painter of any writer who gave up their craft because of money. If the passion goes away when the money goes away, then you weren't an artist to begin with.
p.s. I'm not sure why people are interpreting what I'm saying as 'musicians shouldn't get paid'.
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Steve B[/quote]
Guess you're right, well I guess I'm just going to give up on pursuing music as a career even though countless people make a career out of it.
anyone can get music for free, does that suck? Maybe yes, maybe no.
In your opinion, it's clearly the worse thing ever, which is fine, but you also don't have an answer to the problem, others out there, are making money off of their music and it sure as hell isn't because they're whining about how music is distributed.
So even in your view, that free music is the worse thing ever to hit the music industry, guess what? It's not going to go away, ever, either adapt or be left behind.
Personally I'm glad that people who actually would quit playing music because of the current state of the industry have quit, because the bands that make sincere music, and genuinely love music, power through whatever bullshit is in the industry, just look at King Crimson and Tool for example.
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Also may I also mention that being a electrician,lawyer, doctor, ect ect. is offering practical services to someone.
Music isn't a practical service, it doesn't have any physical product that benefits society in any practical way, it is an art, there should be money in art, but a business musician can not be compared to another "normal" job.
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Not pioneers, I chose them because they worked under the label system and absolutely abhorred it, yet, despite their terrible experiences with record company's and the "good old ways" of doing things, they continued making music because they loved music.
That's all I was trying to say there.
Edit:King Crimson in particular definitely did not get their fair share of income from their works. Just as a side note.
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Music is a both art and a practical service.
Re: Joe Walsh - The truth about music
Anyway, I know you don't know who I'm talking about. Again, that is my point. These are people I personally know (or knew), who, despite several people's ignorant, uninformed assertions, where excellent musicians who made better music than most of the crap I hear on YouTube and the radio. They did indeed stop pursuing music as a career, because they couldn't make a decent living at it, and that's what I'm talking about - not just making money, but making a living. They may or may not still play, but they stopped trying to make a living at it, and spending their time and effort providing you with a service that hardly anyone appreciates as valuable. (Someone in this very thread said that music is not a valuable service.)
Yes, I know people find ways to make money making music. I think it's ridiculous and naive to assume that these people are somehow more genuine artists, just because they've figured out how to make ad money off of YouTube hits or whatever it is they need to do. To me, that makes them as much salesmen as artists. The statements such as "if they were true artists they would find a way to make it" are silly and childish, in my opinion.
Perhaps the true artists are the ones who refuse to whore themselves out and jump through whatever hoops the current economy requires, and say take it on my terms or you're not getting it.
Just food for thought.
As an afterthought - I know people say "free" music and the technology that made it possible is here to stay, so get used to it. They may be right, but we'll see. The technology we deal with today was unimagined when I was young, and I daresay there are things on the way that none of us have imagined, too.
EDIT - I want to apologize for the tone of this message and acknowledge that there are still viable ways for an artist to make a living in music, and I DON'T wish to detract from them or imply that those who are successful are necessarily less of an artist. Some of the things I wrote could be construed to say any musician who is successful today is more salesman than artist, and that's not what I meant.
Quite the contrary - what pissed me off was the implication that people who choose NOT to pursue the music business as it exists today couldn't possibly be real artists, and that their choice was somehow an indictment of their love for music and their character as artists. That is simply wrong, and because I know some of these folks personally, it's a heated topic.
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The economy and business of making music have changed, and will change further, in ways that are hard - if not impossible - to predict.
My 0.05 is that there is less likelihood of an artist/band getting rich from recorded music.
But there are new opportunities as well as threats. A few months back I watched the Counting Crows playing live at the Sydney Opera House. I didn't physically attend the concert, but it was broadcast (narrowcast? singlecast?) on Youtube. I don't know the details, but I'da thunk the Crows earned some money from that.
Maybe, just maybe, this will mean that successful acts will have to stay touring to stay making money, because there isn't the money in recorded music that there once was. And that means that artists will need to remain functioning as live acts to make big money.
Musicians making small-country-GDP money is a new phenomenon. And maybe it's one that is passing.
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That's all I was trying to say there.
Edit:King Crimson in particular definitely did not get their fair share of income from their works. Just as a side note.[/quote]
Yes and they also made MONEY doing it.Ask any one of those guys if they would have recorded music,and toured for free.
Danny Carey is one of the highest paid drummers on the planet.
Ask Robert Fripp if he tours or does studio work or speaking engagements for free.
Music is a business,and many that don't want to play the game,have their CD's wind up in Rite Aid Pharmacy's 2 for 1 discount rack.
Listen to the Eagles Rock and roll hall of fame induction ceramony when Don Henly thanks their manager Irvin Azoff for being their "satan".
Talk to Jimmy page about how Peter Grant put the low paying or NO pay gigs to an end for Zepplin."If you wanted Zepplin to play,you pay for them to play."
You can dream about the free music thing and playing for free as a good thing,but that notion is naive.Do you think " I Tunes" dosen't make a boat load of cash.
There are plenty of people out there making money from the labors of the artists who create it,and have those artists convinced that ,that's the way it should be.From small venue owners to arena's to record company,lawyers.promoters and managers.
If you think playing for free or giving away your intellectual property is making it in the BUSINESS,then your more naive than you think.
Just how it it that you expect to pay the bills,rent/mortgage,car,gas,insurance(multiple types,foor,health insurance,doctor visits,hospital stays,pension,education,musical instruments,...and music.
Walk into K Mart and try to walk out with a "free " CD and see what happens.
Steve B
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Hey you want to hear something really cool Tama?
If you don't want to play free shows you can chose not to do free shows WOAHHHH HOLY SHIT WHO WOULD GUESSED OMG WHAT IS THIS?
there are benefits to playing free shows when you're a small band, it's free advertisement, it's a win for the venue and it's a win for you, if you don't want to do it, you can just chose not to do it.
Big bands don't do things for free (no shit...) because that doesn't benefit them in any way.
I don't even know what you're trying to say, if you don't want to play shows for free, don't do them, it's that simple good luck finding a venue willing to pay you top dollar with no show experience.
Re: Joe Walsh - The truth about music
I think that is the problem that Steve is trying to point out - you've been led to believe your music has little or no value, and you don't see that you're being taken advantage of.
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Mainly I'm trying to focus on record sales, because on that field, no matter what you do it's going to be available for free somewhere, you have absolutely no control over that, so in that particular field you have to find a way to make people want to buy your record as oppose to pirating it or find some other way to make money off of your record.
As for live shows, if you're looking to make a living off of music, you would have to be stupid to play live shows for free, live shows, lessons, merch, ext. Is probably where you're going to make most of your money. But you guys are making it sound like all venues force you to play for free, which is absolutely not true if your band has any sort of following at all.
However, as someone who doesn't have a band following yet, I would look for venues to play for free as a grassroots sort of thing, gain a following, get some experience and look for some actual gigs. If you can't find actual paying gigs it's because your band doesn't have much of a following and or you're absolutely terrible at advertising, you have no one to blame but yourself for that.
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I see your point of view and used to subscribe to it (the 'playing for free' side) but I can happily say that playing for free does not increase your 'exposure' unless you are very, very lucky. Generally speaking, bands that have a genuine following will charge a fee for playing and those that want to see that band are happy to pay a fee to see them. 'Free' gigs offer almost no 'actual' exposure because you'll never share the bill with a band that have commercial interest.
The bands that can charge will be in the professional position to do so. They won't play for free and bands that can charge will be the bands with a following. They won't play free gigs. Do you expect them to suddenly stop charging all together so that you can play on their bill for free? Absolutely not. All you'll end up with on a 'free' bill are a group of bands that are only seen by family and friends, with few fans outside of that - and that is no way to get exposure. All you're doing is encouraging promoters to not pay you.
If you were offered a non-paying slot at a festival, where there are followers of other bands there that will see you by co-incidence, that's fine. You will expose your band to new people. If you're sharing the bill with a band with a large following then you will also gain exposure. In neither case would I expect to play for free but then - and only then - will you play a decent gig. Otherwise, all you're doing is telling promoters that you'll do it for nothing.
You get strung along with promises of 'bigger gigs' and they just don't happen. Trust me.
In terms of my own music, I'm happy to release anything I write under a Creative Commons licence and release it free of charge but that's purely because I subscribe to a 'Copyleft' philosophy when it comes to my own art and music is not my primary source of income. My music is not commercial and I'm much more interested in the idea spreading but if I were to write commercially-viable music and it was my main source of income, then I would absolutely charge for it.
Record labels are now much more about handling distribution and marketing. For artists to make serious money, it certainly helps to have a label on your side to deal with the complexities of distribution and marketing. The bands that have 'gone it alone' (so to speak) King Crimson, Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, etc and still made significant money succeed largely because they have a following that their labels helped create. It is possible to release music successfully and make money without a label now (democratising power of the Internet) but it is very, very difficult and rather than acting as an artist, you effectively would have to quit any job you had and deal with marketing as a full-time job.
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The back of beyond ...
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There's a promoter that I've come across in the past that wouldn't pay bands (or even his own staff) properly. Some of the gigs were busy but when I was on that scene six years ago, I knew the names of most of the audience because they were regulars. If somebody has already seen you, they're not a new potential marketing opportunity. Exposure in the truest sense is having as many new and different people see your band and new people won't come to a gig unless there's somebody playing that they want to see. Bands that are worth seeing charge a fee for playing.
I'm not a marketer and have very little interest in business but even I can see that free products are usually free for a reason. Who wants to see little Timmy play with his friends on a Saturday night for a £5 when they can see Mr. and Mrs. Big-shot down the road at a much better venue for £25? Nobody except little Timmy's parents.
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I really have no idea where you got the idea that I thought bands should play for free, I never meant to insinuate that all. All I was saying was that actual copies of records can be found for free regardless of the decisions they make, someone will always put it up for download on Piratebay ect. Without the bands permission, all I was trying to say is that bands need to adapt to this change and learn how to continue making money as musicians, the thing I was arguing against, is the view point of Joe Walsh complaining about people being able to download music free and not adapting to changes. Joe was obviously not complaining about free shows because he only plays high paying gigs.
I am absolutely not saying bands should play for free, in any sense.
It was probably a misscommunication on my part, but all I was trying to say about music being free is in the terms of recorded material.
When I addressed free shows all I was trying to say was that I would rather have that option available to me than not if I were a casual musician doing music as a hobby or a second job.
Side note: I enjoyed hearing everyones view on the matter, if I seemed somewhat irritated it's because I was unclear on what tamadrum was trying to say ( still a little confused on his point).
Re: Joe Walsh - The truth about music
Returing way back to the OP, and Joe Walsh whining about 'no money' I can't help but be reminded of his song "Life's Been good'.
Life's Been Good - Lyrics
I have a mansion, forget the price.
Ain't never been there they tell me it's nice.
I live in hotels, tear out the walls.
I have accountants pay for it all.
They say I'm crazy, but I have a good time.
I'm just looking for clues at the scene of the crime.
Life's been good to me so far.
My Masarati does one-eighty-five.
I lost my license, now I don't drive.
I have a limo, ride in the back.
I lock the doors in case I'm attacked.
I'm makin' records, my fans they can't wait.
They write me letters, tell me I'm great.
So I got me an office, gold records on the wall.
Just leave a message, maybe I'll call.
Lucky I'm sane after all I've been through.
(Everybody say I'm cool......He's cool)
I can't complain but sometimes I still do.
Life's been good to me so far
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One of the great lies.There really is a Santa Clause,the Easter bunny,the flying spaghetti monster....and the check's in the mail.
How is it a win to play for nothing,unless it's a charity event or just a couple of guys jamming in a basement.
How is it "free" advertisement,when you paid for your instruments,years of practice, gas,transportation,meals,and possibly lodgeing,so some venue owner who places NO value on you,your music,your band or your talent or your "artistry"...translate to a "win"?For the venue maybe,but for you?LOL
If that's winning then,lots of us who actually get paid, are losers,but gladly so..I'll take that over the "win" anyday.
There are people like you getting taken on the streets of NY City playing 3 card montey...every day there tourist.
Your right,I don't do free gigs ,unless it's for a charitable cause,and NOT for some cheap ass club owner who's making money.....on YOUR dime.
There is NO,repeat ,NO benefit to doing free shows,except to air out your own ego,or maybe to have fun at funs expence.
Nobody is looking for "TOP" dollar,just honest and fair money, for an honest performance.
Man,have I got some beach front property in Arizona to sell you.............lol.
Steve B
Re: Joe Walsh - The truth about music
Play for free = stupid
Free music = just plain wrong.Intellecual property is NOT free
Bands who seek perfection in an organic,human performance(which is inherently flawed) = OCD
Steve B
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It very much depends what you're doing. The stuff that used to write (and still do sometimes) is not commercial and based around ideas and aesthetic exploration. I'm more interested in the ideas spreading than making money. If I were relying on music for income and it was commerically-minded, I would charge.
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2 doesn't matter if it's wrong, it's happening and there's nothing anyone can do about it, you have to adjust to this change if you want to keep making money. Whining about it isn't going to make it go away.
There's a huge difference between playing free shows and free recordings, the former the band has the final say in the matter, the latter is completely out of their control.
That's the only poo t I was trying to make.
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artists actually can't and won't release any more of their beautiful and well crafted
pieces of art anymore. Because it's too much work and heart that goes into it completely
Have you i.e. seen Gavin Harrison's post on this matter?
Re: Joe Walsh - The truth about music
The Joe Walsh rant that started this thread wasn't about piracy; it's easy to make a case for the continuing evolution of the market for creative works. It's a lot harder to make a case for piracy.
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But the above quote is certainly a sad, but, true aspect of how some musicians are living with it the concept of free music
I've read a number of name artists question declare they won't make more albums, because of this topic. Others will put out music, but won't tour because they have non-music income that pays more.
And it has little to do with making a profit, as much as it has to do with just not losing money. Recording at a high level is very expensive. Just trying break even is difficult.
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There is something you can do about it.Copyright your material,and sue those copying and playing your music without paying the proper fees.That called mailbox money,and song writers are entitled to it ...by federal law.Identify music thieves to local police and the FBI,who WLL make arrests and sieze contraband.
The NYPD and the FBI,make regular stings and arrests of unlicensed individuals,selling pirated music.That's called copyright infringement and violates copyright laws in the US.
I'm happy to say,music pirates are now going to jail and paying heavy fines.
This may not stop it,but these thieves are now looking over their shoulders.
Whining and stating fact are two completely different things.I'm stating facts here that you don't agree with,so you choose to take the low road and call it whining.
Steve B
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Music Pirates are going to jail, about 1/100,000 people who illegally download music are though.
Re: Joe Walsh - The truth about music
Then maybe you should tell that to the NYPD/FBI joint task force that locked up a bunch of people recently as well as close down some sweat shops where the CD's were being copied,and packaged.
Steve B
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MPM701 - Business Process Management
Unit details
|2015 unit information
|Enrolment modes:
|Trimester 1: Burwood (Melbourne), Cloud (online)
Trimester 2: Burwood (Melbourne), Cloud (online)
Trimester 3: Burwood (Melbourne), Cloud (online)
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|Unit chair:
J Chamberlain (Trimester 1 & 2), D Fan (Trimester 3)
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Campus: 1 x 2 hour seminar per week
Cloud(online): Learning resources are via CloudDeakin
This unit provides foundation skills and knowledge about the management of business processes and emphasises the importance of their links to organisational strategies. It considers the role of information and communication technologies in supporting business processes and it introduces enterprise systems and the ways in which these can automate processes and report on the goals and objectives of the organisation. The unit highlights that business process management (BPM) is applicable in all industries, for example, manufacturing, wholesale and service sectors, and that it is pertinent to business organisations of all sizes. The unit introduces business processes from architectural, problem scoping, modeling, methodological and measurement perspectives. The unit prepares students to develop and enhance professional careers in industry, government, and the not-for-profit sector.
Presentation 10%, Written Assignment 2000 words 40%, Examination 2 hours 50%
Hurdle requirement: achieve at least 50% of the marks available on the examination.
Unit Fee Information
|Student Contribution Rate*
|Student Contribution Rate**
|Fee rate - Domestic Students
|Fee rate - International students
* Rate for all CSP students, except for those who commenced Education and Nursing units pre 2010
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"The Dresden collections... forever a fountain of true knowledge..." (Goethe, 1788/1789)
The Staatliche Kunstsammlungen Dresden (State Art Collections Dresden) hold one of the oldest and richest collections in the world. Founded as a Kunstkammer in 1560, they developed over the centuries into collections of almost unparalleled magnitude and importance. Ever since their foundation the study of these collections has inspired and enriched scholars, students, collectors and art lovers alike.
To celebrate their 450th anniversary in 2010, the Staatliche Kunstsammlungen Dresden has established the Dresden Summer - International Academy for the Arts. Now in its sixth year, this study course allows participants to take an exclusive and highly interesting look behind the scenes of the museums belonging to the Staatliche Kunstsammlungen, always under the guidance of the institutions' directors, scholars and curators. These experts present both masterpieces that are on permanent display and virtually unknown works held in the storerooms of the various museums. In case studies, the latest results of scientific research or the development of grand projects are shown to and discussed with the participants.
Director of the International Academy for the Arts
Dr. Peter Plaßmeyer
Advisory Council Staatliche Kunstsammlungen Dresden
Prof. Dr. Dirk Syndram & Prof. Dr. Gilbert Lupfer


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At an Academic Convocation ceremony Thursday, USC Aiken awarded top students for their achievements and at the same time, demonstrated how diverse students can find their way to the university.
Tomas Greizinger traveled nearly 5,000 miles from Slovakia four years ago. The business major will formally serve as the outstanding senior graduate.
Priscilla Simon, who needed only about four miles to get from Aiken HIgh School, is graduating from USCA's Honors Program as a biology major.
Greizinger is the 5th Slovakian student to attend USCA and the 4th to take the outstanding senior award.
"Being at a smaller school helped me achieve what I did," he said. "There was a lot of leadership experience, a great education and and lifelong friends."
As for Simon, she saw many reasons to remain in Aiken for her undergraduate degree.
"I knew it was a great school with all the perks of a small classroom size," she said. "I've had the experience of doing research in the biology department and wouldn't have been given nearly the opportunities if not for this university."
Six faculty members received awards as well as follows: Business instructor Karen Edgington, excellence in teaching; Music instructor Dr. Willie Strong, part-time faculty teaching excellence; Mary Millies, excellence in advisement; mathematical sciences professor Dr. Rao Li, scholarly activity; English professor Dr. Lynne Rhodes, community service; and psychology department Chairman Dr. Ed Callen, university service award.
Joseph Kurcharski, a manager at GlaxoSmithKline, received a Distinguished Citizen Award for his service as a public address announcer for many of USCA's sports team. The guest speaker was Dr. Kevin Fox, a senior engineer at the Savannah River National Laboratory.
2012-13 Academic Awards
• Outstanding Senior Graduate - Tomas Greizinger.
College of Humanities and Social Sciences
• Michael Kucharski - Ernestine B. Law Communications Student of Year.
• Andrew Quirk - Mona L. Martin Prize in Freshman Writing.
• Maria LaRocca - Phebe Davidson Prize in Creative Writing.
• Outstanding Students - Frank Morris (English), Michelle Pakla (Philosophy, Studio Art), Jack Reynolds (Political Science), Sarah Offenbacker (Sociology), Jonathan Hallman (Music), Shane Barber (Theatre).
College of Sciences
• Outstanding Students - Brandy Bossle (Biology), Mark Schultz (Geology), Ashleigh Kimberlin (Chemistry), Victoria Leonard (Physics), Joshua Sellner (Exercise and Sports Science), Dillon Gooding (Mathematics and Computer Science), Michael Hornsby (Industrial Mathematics), Nicole Streeb (Psychology), Erika Gerwe (Applied Clinical Psychology).
School of Business Administration
• Outstanding Students - Rolene Roux (Accounting), Finance (Stefanie Lattimore), Eryn Taylor (Management), Nicole Devries (Marketing), Patricia Tamayo (Business Administration).
School of Education
• Outstanding Students - Jennifer Perkins (Early Childhood Education), Amy Brunson (Elementary Education), Whitney Jenkins (Middle-Level Education), Marshal Liebman (Secondary Education), Emilee Losier (Special Education).
School of Nursing
• Outstanding Student - Virginia Cauthen.
• Honors Program 2013 and 2012 Graduates - Brianna Arnone, Asheeba Baksh, Karlotta Duffy, Tomas Greizinger, Olivia Melton, Frank Morris, Michella Pakla, Priscilla Simon, Bradleigh Birchmore (2012).
• Who's Who Awards - Grayson Broskie, Jessie Corbin, Lauren Davis, Shaquanna Dickens, Tomas Greizinger, Amanda Hall, Edward Hazel, Stacee Kingsberry, Briana Kinloch, Samuel LaMunion, Olivia Melton, Brittany Owensby, Jonathan Thompson.
STAFF PHOTO BY ROB NOVIT Tomas Greizinger, left, USC Aiken's outstanding senior graduate, is joined by faculty award winners at the university's Academic Convocation Thursday. From left are Dr. Lynne Rhodes, Dr. Ed Callen, Mary Millies, Dr. Rao Li, Karen Edgington and Dr. Willie Strong.×
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Microsoft Office Mobile coming to iPhone?
The App Store already plays host to several mobile apps that allow users to view and edit documents and spreadsheets, but how about an official MS Office app for iOS that you can natively edit and view all MS Office formats in? Hints persist that it may be coming. We'll have to call this one a rumor for now, but considering Bing is already available for the iPhone, it's plausible. Apple and Microsoft seem to be playing nice lately, so we won't rule it out.
It seems a job posting for Microsoft may indicate this is the case. The following is an excerpt from the posting:
"In addition to the current Windows Mobile 6.5 and upcoming WM7 clients, with the recently announced alliance between Microsoft and Nokia we are working to bring Office Mobile to hundreds of millions of Nokia smartphone owners, followed by other leading Smartphone platforms."
iOS is definitely a leading smartphone platform, but there's also others, so we'll just have to wait and see on this one. What do you guys think?
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Microsoft Office Mobile coming to iPhone?
@Drew I don't think it would factor. Look at DocsToGo - people have preferences, most mac users will want iWork, while not having MS Office still leaves MS Office users in the dust. MS Office won't interefere at all with Mac uers who use iWork on their computers. Different formats all around.
They may not want it in the App Store, but such a refusal (unless it was on good technical grounds) would bring the regulatory bloodhounds baying. Nascent, nearly irrelevant apps like Google Voice were enough to make them sniff around, but were Apple effectively to block competing products in a mature category like office software, I would expect regulators on both sides of the Atlantic would come down fast and hard.
The morals of such an Apple move aside, unless mobile iWork itself becomes some MS-Office-level cash cow for Apple -- highly unlikely -- it is just not a risk worth taking for Apple.
I agree I'm just saying they reject apps the time because it conflicts with their services. Not saying they should or shouldn't but it's no secret that they have done that before. I personally would like MS office but cross platform doesn't matter since they both can be converted back and forth.
@Drew, yes they can be converted back and forth but that's counter-productive. I want a choice. i'd rather edit my iWork documents IN iWork and my MS Office documents with an office mobile program.
I agree with Copy of Dev completely.
I'd love to have Microsoft Office on my iPad, and I'd pay a premium for it -- maybe not $299, but if it provides more features than Pages, Docs to Go or Quickoffice, then it would be worth more. (I assume Office for iPad would not include Outlook, since the iPad already includes an e-mail app, but that's OK and I would be happy with Word, Excel and PowerPoint.)
Not to be a negative nelly but IMHO you are all wrong:
1) Regulation, competition, and the app store - Apple doesn't have to directly worry about regulators right now. The regulators are only bringing heat because the big american companies are pressuring them in order to slow down Apple. Apple's practices about the app store are neither desirable nor ethical but it's very hard to prove them illegal. That said, if they haven't been indicted by now, excluding MS office from the app store is not going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back, because it's just more of the same.
But Apple would be stupid to reject an office app because of MONEY. An office app will no doubt be heavily priced, and that would be pure profit direct to Apple. Apple makes 30%, remember? Apple will welcome the competition because whatever they price Office at, they will price Apple's apps lower.
2) I think office for iPad/iPhone will make a small splash but quickly taper off. The iPad has flexibility to consume content, but to create advanced content requires a full version of office. If this just another document reader like documents to go, I don't see this as being a big deal. If it's going to create content, then lack of a traditional keyboard will be an issue. Microsoft isn't creative enough to come up with anything more than a version of Office with all the current features jury rigged into iOS, and it will be expensive, cludgy, and unpopular. If it does fail, Apple will be happy to demonstrate it on there highly successful app store.
It's a win/win for Apple and it will be on the App Store and the commenters here will be the few people who will buy it.
...by that logic, Microsoft did not have to worry about bundling WMP to hurt Quicktime, because lawmakers did not come after them immediately when they bundled a free IE to hurt Netscape, or when lawmakers did not come after them during the alleged "DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run" days.
Simply put, companies do not have to worry about regulation until the moment they do. And when they do, it is a big deal. iWork would have to project to be a huge profit center to be worth that risk.
I do agree with you that Apple probably will not block Office apps, because even without legal entanglements it does not seem to be in their interests to do so.
I'm getting ready to start grad school and having Microsoft Office on my iphone would be so great. I could edit and adjust documents on the go as needed. No heavy lifting but for light stuff it would be nice.
How about Office on iPhone/iPad for free? No cut to Apple and it would most likely not be someone's primary installation of Office (that leans mainly towards and iPhone, though; very well could be primary for an iPad). And if kids in school could use it on the go, they would be more apt to buy a copy for their PC's later on.
I doubt its gonna happen, but the possibility is (slightly) there.
You can already do it. I have ms works. Should have upgraded to ms office. Work sent me an excel file to edit. I sent it back. They said they could not open it. I put it in an emai attachment, and sent it to the iPhone. Opened it up in docs to go. Did the edit, sent it via the iPhone. Work said it came back as an excel file, and opened fine. So I can work with ms office using docs to go. Still it would be nice to have a ms office app


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Allstate Arena
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Sun., Nov. 22*
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The Wolves swept a three-games-in-three-days set on the road for only the second time in franchise history this past weekend; Chicago is on a season-high three-game winning streak and has posted victories in five of its last six outings.
--- Brett Sterling: Collected five points (2G, 3A), including two game-winning goals in three games this weekend ... Tallied six points (3G, 3A) during a current four-game point streak ... Ranks second on the Wolves with six goals and third with 13 points in 12 games this season ... Paces Wolves forwards and ranks third on the team with a +7 plus/minus rating
--- Jason Krog: Tallied six points (2G, 4A) in three games this weekend, which includes recording multiple-points in his last two contests ... Paces the Wolves and shares eighth in the AHL with 12 assists and shares first on the team with 15 points in 14 games this year ... Notched 12 points (3G, 9A) in his last seven
games after collecting three points (3A) in his previous seven matchups
--- Spencer Machacek: Registered five points (2G, 3A) in three contests this weekend after being held scoreless in a season-high four games ... Ranks third on the Wolves with five goals and shares the team lead with 15 points in 16 games this season ... Shares first on the club with two power-play strikes
--- Chris Chelios: Dished out two assists on Saturday, his fourth multiple-point outing in nine games season ... Paces Wolves blueliners and ranks fifth on the team with nine points (G, 8A) ... Ranks second on the team and shares sixth in the league with a +10 plus/minus rating
--- Drew MacIntyre: Earned back-to-back wins this weekend and has posted victories in five of his last six outings ... Amassed a 5-5-0 mark with a 2.64 goals-against average and .913 save percentage in 10 games this season
--- The Wolves will conclude their season-long six-game road trip in Rockford on Friday; Chicago has amassed a 4-1-0-0 mark in the trip's first five games and has averaged 3.6 goals-per-game during that span.
--- Defenseman Arturs Kulda paces the Wolves and shares third in the league with a +13 plus/minus rating; the 21-year-old blueliner has registered a plus or even rating in 10 straight games and in 11 of his 14 games overall.
--- Chicago allowed a power-play goal in back-to-back games on Saturday and Sunday, the first time in 11 outings the club has given up a power-play strike in consecutive games; the Wolves rank seventh in the league with an 87.5 efficiency rating on the penalty kill (56 of 64).
--- Right wing Tim Stapleton potted his team-leading eighth goal of the season on Saturday, his eight markers share seventh in the AHL; the 27-year-old forward ranks fourth on the Wolves with 11 points (8G, 3A) in 16 games this season.
--- Goaltender Peter Mannino stopped 26 of 27 shots at Houston on Sunday to earn his first win in a Wolves uniform.
--- Right wing Spencer Machacek's game-winning power-play goal on Sunday was Chicago's first man-advantage marker in five matchups; the Wolves share 24th in the league with a 11.9 efficiency rating on the power-play (eight of 67).
--- The Wolves will host their fourth annual Future Journalists Media Day for high school students at the Hoffman Estates Community Center and Ice Arena during the team's practice on Tue., Nov. 17, at 9:00 a.m. Guest speakers for the event will include FOX News Chicago Weekend Sports Anchor and Sports Reporter JILL CARLSON, ESPNChicago.com columnist MELISSA ISAACSON, Daily Herald Sports Editor TOM QUINLAN and ESPN 1000 Radio Host HARRY TEINOWITZ.
Sun., Nov. 15
Chicago 2, (at) Houston 1
--- The Wolves held on to a one-goal lead for the final 22:42 to defeat the Houston Aeros, 2-1, at the Toyota Center
--- Center Jason Krog led the way for Chicago with two points (G, A), while right wing Spencer Machacek potted the game-winner
--- Goaltender Peter Mannino thwarted 26 shots in his first start of the season
Sat., Nov. 14
Chicago 4, (at) Texas 3 (OT)
--- The Wolves battled back from a 2-1 deficit in the third period and left wing Brett Sterling netted the overtime winner to push the Wolves past the Texas Stars, 4-3, at the Cedar Park Center
--- Forwards Jason Krog, Spencer Machacek and Tim Stapleton also dented the net for Chicago
--- Goaltender Drew MacIntyre kicked out 29 of 32 shots
Fri., Nov. 13
Chicago 4, (at) San Antonio 2
--- Left wing Brett Sterling notched the game-winning goal with 5:43 remaining in the contest to lift the Wolves to a 4-2 victory over the San Antonio Rampage at the AT&T Center
--- Defenseman Steve McCarthy and forwards Johnny Pohl and Kevin Doell also potted tallies for Chicago
--- Goaltender Drew MacIntyre turned aside 31 of 33 shots