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Holy fuck!
Holy fuck!
Ha...good job Shogun...I expected chael to win, but just so dominant...AWESOME.
Rogan annoyed me acting like he was surprised he pulled guard while attempting a guillotine
Fav Fighters: Penn, Wand, Fedor, Genki, Shields, Rashad, Pulver, Diaz bros, Melendez.
Suck it haters. Suck it long...suck it hard.
And not just a win...he made Shogun QUIT! HA HA
Shogun will always be one of my favs, but man... He hasn't looked impressive in a long time.
Pretty sure the Internet just broke.
Did not see him winning in the first round. Decision, yes. Late round sub, maybe.
But that was pretty wild.
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South Carolina's poet laureate, Marjory Wentworth, plans to help Angel Oak Elementary fifth-graders this spring create poetry portfolios on World War I and World War II.
The new effort is a combination of public and private money totaling $400,000. Officials did not specify how much each group donated.Public donors include Charleston County School District, Charleston, North Charleston, Mount Pleasant, the College of Charleston, Youth Endowment for the Arts/Charleston Marathon, and S.C. Arts Commission.Private donors include The Boeing Co., Target, the McNair Law Firm, Gil Shuler Graphic Design, Alloneword and Anita Zucker.For more information, go to engagingcreativeminds.org.VIDEOGo to postand courier.com/ videos to see Pepperhill Elementary students perform.
Their eight-week project will culminate with students presenting to their parents and visiting the aircraft carrier Yorktown, where they will write more poetry under Wentworth's tutelage.
That's one example of the kind of artist-to-student connections that are being made possible through a new public-private partnership announced Monday. The goal of Engaging Creative Minds is to give third- through sixth-grade students in the tri-county area more access to the arts during and after school.
"Public money does not go far enough," said Charleston County School Superintendent Nancy McGinley.
"This is bringing everyone together under one umbrella to get all children involved in the arts."
The effort is launching with $400,000 raised from a combination of public and private funds, and the goal is to increase that to more than $1 million annually. About 55 percent of the first-year funds are public money.
Engaging Creative Minds will this spring begin serving more than 1,700 students at eight elementary schools: Angel Oak, Ashley River Creative Arts, Jennie Moore, James Island, James Simons, Ladson, Memminger and Pepperhill. The plan is to expand to neighboring Berkeley and Dorchester schools within five years.
Organizers plan to infuse arts in the curriculum and further engage students in learning, as well as give classroom teachers and artists more training and planning time to enhance the level of existing arts integration.
At Pepperhill Elementary in North Charleston, that means Principal Tanya Underwood has asked her teachers to identify the lessons in which students have the least interest. Her North Charleston school will receive about $12,000 from the partnership this school year to work with artists, and she said she'd like to use the arts to get students interested in those units. "(Students) love the arts," she said.
The hour-long Monday press conference during which officials touted the new partnership included a performance by Pepperhill Elementary students. Music teacher Derek Street played the guitar while students sang "As Long As You Love Me" by teen phenom Justin Bieber and "Live Like a Warrior" by Matisyahu.
Some students belted out the lyrics while others danced and used their hands to act them out. Street said singing the songs is a way for students to practice literacy; saying the words helps their fluency, and talking about what the artist means teaches them how to emote.
Engaging Creative Minds is working to establish itself as a nonprofit organization, and it's modeled on Big Thought, which is a Dallas-based nonprofit made of public-private partnerships.
Charleston officials have worked for 18 months on this project and have involved more than 80 individuals representing arts, business and community groups.
Many of those leaders showed up at the press conference and expressed excitement about the potential. Charleston Mayor Joe Riley was among them, saying this would give students more opportunities to develop their creativity and think critically.
The partnership plans to evaluate how it works in classrooms. "If we really want to help our students become everything they can, it is going to take the entire community working together," said Jim Braunreuther, Charleston County School District's fine arts coordinator.
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Head Coach John Shulman
Thoughts on the Mocs offensive execution
"We shot 30 percent from the floor. It was horrific and I am disappointed. It was horrific, but kind of expected. We just played the best team in the league, and we're not quite there yet."
Thoughts on looking young against an experienced team
"There's no doubt we looked young. It was our first league game and we didn't answer the bell. We looked dazed and scared in the first half. You saw the experienced team versus the inexperienced team. We played the most experienced team. Davidson is a great team. We aren't ready yet. It isn't a secret. I knew that coming in. We're hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, but you can't compete with them if you miss seven free throws in the first half. You have to capitalize on everything on every possession. We're not close yet, but I do appreciate people coming out and watching the game. I just apologize to them on how it looked."
On what his team can learn from tonight's game
"If you're not a competitor and you're not a bit embarrassed about that, then you're probably not a competitor. I would take the sting of being embarrassed on your home floor and get my tail back to work. That's the biggest thing that I want them to take from it. Davidson is the biggest and the best, and that is what we're trying to get to. Those guys are old and experienced, and they played like they are old and experienced."
Thoughts on pulling within 13 at the half
"If we're going to get beat, let's at least battle and fight. We were on our heels the whole first half. We have to give Davidson a little resistance and show them we know how to play the game. We came out and did decent stuff early, but we couldn't sustain. After a while of the ball not going into the basket, it gets demoralizing. But we can't cry about it. We have to get back on the horse and go. If we have to make some changes, we have a lot of time right now. We have a lot more practice time than we do games. This will be good for us. It wasn't good for us tonight, but Davidson is a great team. Our young guys were taught a lesson tonight."
Z. Mason, junior, forward
On what the major difference between the Mocs and Davidson was tonight
"The difference tonight was the experience. Those Davidson guys have been to NCAA Tournaments and won SoCon Tournaments. They have guys who have been playing for three or four years. They had the upper hand because we have a lot of young guys."
Thoughts on the Davidson offense
"They knocked down a lot of shots. We played hard, but you can't keep them from making shots. We had them on the shot clock a few times, but they always seemed to find a way to fire up a three. They are a great shooting team, and we knew that coming in."
Thoughts on Chattanooga's defense
"It is really deflating to constantly have to bounce back after missing a shot and they come down and hit a three. But that is tough in any game. It was like fighting an uphill battle the entire game. Having to battle back and watching them make so many shots is really deflating on defense. This is really a learning experience for all of us. That is something we can take away from this game moving forward."
On what the Mocs need to work on moving forward
"I feel like defense is what we need to continue to work on. We need to continue to emphasize defense and working hard. We have a lot of good guys that can play for us. We have to keep sticking to our principles and everything will fall into place. It didn't show tonight, and that is the worst part about it. It was a tough SoCon opener, but we just have to go back to work and we'll be fine."
Gee McGhee, freshman, guard
Thoughts on the game
"I'm just angry because I felt that we could have won the game, and I didn't expect it to get that out of hand. I feel like we are a great basketball team and I didn't feel that we played to our potential tonight. Davidson had a good game. Every night is not going to be your night. You just have to go to the next day and get better."
On what the Mocs lacked tonight
"We didn't harass the ball how we practiced. We practiced on harassing the ball, getting steals and just making the defender's life horrible. But tonight we crept up on them, and they're used to seeing open shots. They knocked them down. They did what they were supposed to do."
Thoughts on the game
"This was a very good conference victory on the road. That is very difficult to come by. Chattanooga is Chattanooga. No matter what their record is, they are still incredible in the Southern Conference. Any time you come to the Round House you know it is going to be a challenge. I was delighted, thrilled, and pleased with the poise that we had with the basketball tonight offensively. I thought we were superb in moving the basketball."
Thoughts on Chattanooga's play
"I have seen the way John's teams have progressed year after year. I think, in fact, the last time he went to the NCAA tournament they struggled part of that year and just got better and better as the season progressed. People of Chattanooga should understand that John Shulman bleeds Chattanooga and I know the way he prepares. He has multiple defenses. He runs outstanding sets. He tries to capitalize on players and match ups. They are going to get better."
Overall thoughts on his team
"They are a very mature and experienced team, they understand openings and they understand where people are. They play very well together. They also understand that each one of them can score. They are not afraid to make that next pass. I felt that beginning to end that it was our best offensive performance of the year."


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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Tuesday called for improving the economy and living standards of his impoverished nation with the same urgency that scientists showed in successfully testing a long-range rocket recently.
Kim's first New Year's speech, delivered on state TV, was peppered with rhetoric, with calls for boosting the military's capabilities and making the science and technology sector world class. But other passages in the speech were also an acknowledgement of the poor state of the country's economy that has long lagged behind the rest of the region.
North Korea has little arable land, is prone to natural disasters and struggles to grow enough food for its 24 million people.
The annual New Year's Day message lays out North Korea's policy goals for the year. But Kim gave no indication whether he plans to introduce economic reforms or allow free enterprise, except to say the economy should be underpinned by science and technology.
"The industrial revolution in the new century is, in essence, a scientific and technological revolution, and breaking through the cutting edge is a shortcut to the building of an economic giant," he said.
He then pointed at the success of a long-range rocket that North Korea fired on Dec. 12, ostensibly carrying a satellite into space.
"Let us bring about a radical turn in the building of an economic giant with the same spirit and mettle as were displayed in conquering space," he said.
North Korea has hailed the rocket as a big step in peaceful space exploration. Washington and others called the launch a banned test of ballistic missile technology and a step in Pyongyang's pursuit of a nuclear-tipped long-range missile.
North Korea has tested two atomic devices since 2006, both times weeks after U.N. condemnation of a long-range launch. A recent analysis of North Korea's main nuclear test site indicates readiness for a possible third atomic explosion.
Kim made no mention of nuclear weapons, but indicated that military will continue to be boosted.
"The sector of defense industry should develop in larger numbers sophisticated military hardware of our own style that can contribute to implementing the Party's military strategy," he said.
"Only when it builds up its military might in every way can it develop into a thriving country and defend the security and happiness of its people," Kim said.
The speech itself was a signal that Kim will continue with a leadership style more in line with his gregarious grandfather, national founder Kim Il Sung who routinely addressed his people on New Year's Day, than with his father, Kim Jong Il, who avoided making public speeches. He never gave a TV address during his 17-year-rule, and his New Year's messages were published as joint editorials in the nation's three major newspapers.
With the speech – the first televised New Year's Day message by a North Korean leader in 19 years – Kim Jong Un has tried to tap into North Koreans' fond memories of his grandfather, said Koh Yu-hwan, a professor of North Korean studies at Dongguk University in South Korea.
The rocket launch boosted public morale, Koh said. "Now people are expecting him to improve the economy and help them live better economically," Koh said. "Kim Jong Un knows that and feels the pressure of meeting that demand."
Kim, who took power after his father's death on Dec. 17, 2011, has asserted control over the government and the military by dismissing its powerful chief Ri Yong Ho. Some other officials who were viewed as more moderate, including Kim's uncle, Jang Song Thaek, were elevated.
South Korean president-elect Park Geun-hye has said she will make efforts in her five-year term to boost aid and engage North Korea.
"If Kim Jong Un is going to engineer a shift from `military-first' to `It's the economy, stupid,' he is going to need Seoul's encouragement, and he doesn't have five years to wait," John Delury, an analyst at Seoul's Yonsei University, wrote recently.
He said it's up to South Korea "to unclench its fist first, so that the leader of the weaker state can outstretch his hand."
Kim's speech avoided harsh criticism of the United States, its wartime enemy. North Korea has used past New Year's editorials to accuse the U.S. of plotting war.
In other signs of changes in the country – at least at a superficial level – North Korea also had its first grand New Year's Eve celebration, with residents of the capital treated to the boom of cannons and fireworks at midnight.
In Pyongyang, residents danced in the snow at midnight Monday to celebrate the end of a big year for North Korea, including the 100th anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung and the first year of Kim Jong Un's leadership. Fireworks lit up the cold night sky, and people stood in fur-lined parkas, taking photos and laughing and dancing with each other in plazas.
Associated Press writer Kim Kwang Hyon contributed to this story from Pyongyang, North Korea.
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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.
6. Real Battles- Large scale combat won't be the total chaos most MMO players are used to. PFO will make use of a formation system that gives groups significant bonuses for fighting in formation and coordinating their ability usage.
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Originally posted by Robokapp
my hope is a detection system in party that determines location (using the mini map type system) and rewards the group with certain buffs based on composition and proximal deployment.
how its going to work i have no idea. unless collision detection is both on and rather broad for front line fighters i dont see much way of keeping formation as soon as fighting gets to melee range.
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Joined: 8/28/06
Lo, the mighty Oak.
Just a little nut who stood his ground.
Guess we hafta stay tuned to find out.
I wonder if each player has a group of NPC henchment that will stay in 'formation' and attack his target.
To dream, perhaps to be.
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Joined: 11/15/09
The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.
Originally posted by steamtank
the only MMO where fighting in close packs is done and relevant is EVE where you have 'drake anchor", "ahac anchor" and so on.
but...in eve you also sometimes spread out a lot when you suspect enemy will use bombers.
as i read the lines above I thought that bomer-like heavy-aoe groups will be extremely powerful if you're forced to play collapsed together. I need to know more about their combat but it raised an alarm. forcing a group together makes AOE hard-counter an obvious choice.
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Joined: 7/18/10
Veni, Vidi, Converti
Originally posted by Robokapp
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The formations are intended to work in a couple of ways:
1) Allow the server to treat formations of players as single-objects for the server load, I believe is important/intentional.
2) Each formation confers contributions to the individuals in the formation, so different formations and different combinations of players acting in formation influence it's defence and offence capabilities.
I imagine the movement and positioning will influence the effectiveness and obviously drive zergs of players like a hot knife through butter!
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Lo, the mighty Oak.
Just a little nut who stood his ground.
...so... what I am imagining is that say a party of six accepts formation command by a cleric at the inn, before they set out for a dungeon. The party is a rogue, a wizard, the cleric-commander, a paladin, and two fighters.
The cleric-commander gets a new bank of icons with six multicolored dots or squares, each dot colored according to class. Upon creation of the formation but before combat initiation the commander defines who goes where. So the cleric-commander puts himself in the back where he can be protected to heal, the wizard to his right and the rogue to his left. He puts the paladin in the center of the fron tline flanked by the two fighters. This will be the default formation they will initially take if beset by hostiles. Other options might be a six-pointed defensive star with everyone facing out from a central point, or a five pointed star with their wizard in the center or what have you. Another might be echelon -left/right, or perhaps phalanx (wedge). In anticipation of having to fight in a corredor he has one in a column of twos. Finally he has one where the rogue is to flank, so he can take advantage of some rogue backstabbing advantages.
He sets up these various formations as alt-function key assignments, The wizard and cleric set up their ready spells, and the party leaves the Inn or camp for a destination dungeon and they begin to fast-travel.
Along their route a party of six bandits waits in ambush, and as our party fast-travels the road the bandits spring their trap.
The party appears in the road where they have been ambushed in default formation which is less than optimal if the bandits have set up in an enfilading fire configuration where they can fire their crossbows at the party from all sides. The cleric has the option of changing formation to a defensive star or charging one side of the ambush in the current formation. Changing formation would take precious time so he decides to charge whichever side of the bandit formation the party is facing leaving their most vulnrable backs open but potentially reducing the offensive strength of the bandits by one opponent who is quickly overcome. To do so the cleric-commander is the only one who actually uses his WASD movement keys. Once the focused bandit is down he wheels the whole party to their next objective, an adjascent bandit, and also changes formation to send the Rogue to the right flank away from the greatest threat of missile fire from the bandits' remaining positions to set the rogue up for a backstab opportunity. The wizard decides to return fire casting magic missile. Because the wizard (I assume) must stand still to effectively cast his spell his action stops the rest of the party other than the rogue (already in motion) for his cast.
This is just how I envision formations working.
To dream, perhaps to be.
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Ahh devil ether.
Even if they don't make the 1 million mark on KS it does give them something to approach other methods for alternate funding with. It gives them the right to say look what regular people who have no personal stake in this project are willing to put up just to put them into a faster development. If the CEO is as good as claimed in the first place he can use this to pump money in other ways.
I think it was Origins of Malu (?) who ended up cancelling their own kickstarter after finding alternate funding and then also decided to reward the pledgers with some of the rewards they would have gotten if KS had gone through. I could see that happening especially with something that is an established IP in it's own right like Pathfinder. Personally I had only heard of it in vague terms before this MMO project but I also never paid a whole lot of attention to P&P systems.
As of right now PO is at - who knows they might actually get a flood of existing pledges go further into it while adding more new ones and hit the goal:
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Joined: 7/08/06
Originally posted by BlueMountain
Sounds more like Federation and Empire Online.
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The formations are going to be tricky, mainly because you are starting out on something pretty complex and new for MMO's without much history of systems that have been tried before to draw on, but if they are done well they could make this game, and possibly solve the eternal problem of zergs being more-or-less unstoppable in MMO PvP.
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Joined: 8/11/03
When things just sound too good to be true, they usually arn't.
What is listed there would probably make this one of the best games ever made. It's a tall order so I'm not holding my breath. All just sounds a little TOO good.
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Joined: 6/08/08
"When you are confused, you are learning something"
Well so far Goblinworks has been very transparent and realistic with the community.
They have said mounted combat will not be in at early enrollment, it would take twice the amount of character and mount animations.
Battle formations as a game mechanic has been disgust briefly on the forums and is something Ryan really wants in the game, but no timeframe has been discussed yet.
So we don't really have much to go on yet, ill try to bring it up on Paizo message boards and see what they have to say.
Time will tell as to what makes it in-game for early enrollment, and we will have to see how fast they can crank out new systems.
The nice thing about Crowdforging is when the Dev team is ready to work on new systems a poll is presented to the community and we get to vote on what gets worked on first.
Of course there are fundamental game designs and systems being worked automatically like crafting system, trade, settlements, gods etc etc.
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
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Joined: 7/29/08
Originally posted by Vannor
It could also be really simple. For instance if the game detects you have a party member withing 5 yards to your right and to your left, you get increased damage absorption or decreased chance of being hit.
Again, this is one of my problems with following games very early. These guys barely have a working demo out now (and it is pretty bad)... thinking about them adding anything revolutionary is, as of right now, a dream.
I am following this game under the premise that it will be like UO, with better graphics, and a guild and skill system more similar to EVE. Just throwing those things together, which have already all been done, is enough to make a great game.
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Joined: 7/18/10
Veni, Vidi, Converti
Originally posted by Azrile
Spot on. They're reaching for some great ideas: Plenty of which could easily fall short. But the fact they're gunning for it without the threat of appealing to everyone and no-one to pay off a massive dev budget; and their various backgrounds with roots in the PnP rpgs - I think it's worth supporting to see if players/devs can make it happen.
The formations in particular hinges on how fun they can make it for individuals. But the idea that it could help with the server load is a solid place to start from AND resolve the zerg problem all in one - I think there's some players out there who'd like nothing more than to simulate battle strategies, if it could be taken to that level and if it really is a TEAM effort, think it could be satisfying for all to form some sort of chain of command and orchestrate a successful victory under terms of war.
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Lo, the mighty Oak.
Just a little nut who stood his ground.
Mine was speculation. Speculation is easy. I was just trying to forecast one way that what they have suggested could be realized. I am interested in their making the game 'right', so naturally it sounds too good to be true: I was describing something like an ideal, based on minimal hints the developer left open.
To dream, perhaps to be.
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Joined: 2/05/11
Not a big fan of that EvE skill training. So basically I do nothing except to be online to advance? Doesn't sound too exciting. I don't mind grinding at least I'm doing something. Also how is PvE more meaningful if you don't have to do anything to advance? I imagine killing NPC's has to give you some kind of character progression/reward? I suppose as long as you do get something from killing mobs it wouldn't matter too much that skill training involves just being online.
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Grinding mobs will still provide loot and coin.
Additionally, in order to advance some skills you have to earn certain merit badges which may require you to do things, possibly including killing so many mobs of a certain type or other things.
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Lo, the mighty Oak.
Just a little nut who stood his ground.
Originally posted by Mardukk
Oh I don't know it will be as bad as that, but othr hand the game isn't going to supply your imagination for you either. For a change.
You don't have to even be online for experience to accrue, so you don't even have to be online to advance. I understand training of actual skills your experience qualitfies you for will be something you purchase. But 'something to do'? If it is sandbox you get to figure out what to do. It isn't, for once, a ride on rails at Six Flags it is instead what you and other players create. The game provides you with the tools and abilities you need to create your own story in the game, but it is up to you to create that story. And it really shouldn't be all that hard to craft your own tales when you can cast spells like fireball or gather a team to crush a hobgoblin encampment. Plus there is to be dynamic content such as goblin invasions and the like to defend your player-built settlement from. And there is also themepark-like places, such as the emerald spire 'superdungeon', each level of which is designed by a different author, some of whom are pretty famous, like Mike Stackpole (Mechwarrior) and Ed Greenwood (Forgotten Realms).
To dream, perhaps to be.
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Joined: 6/06/12
We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.
Sounds to good to be true and often times when it comes down to indie developers that is all to true. If they can deliver on even half these ideals and still have high production quality I'll give it a shot but if it turns into another horrible character/animation/gfx experience I'll pass.
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Originally posted by Dakcenturi
Perfect, just what I was looking for among other things. Sounds like a game that can be played in a number of different ways.
Originally posted by Dakcenturi
I got an akward nerd boner reading this...
This is it for me.
No rat race to endgame then bitching about how another class killed you and so they are OP.
No penalty for being a no lifer and no penalty for having an active life, all are the same.
A system that doesnt have the game being all bloodthristy pvpers, where being a normal gamer is rewarded and pvpers pay for their crimes (im a pvper btw) I think the perfect balance of pvper gankers to normal gamers needs to be something like 60%+ normal 40%- ganker for the game not to be a suckfest. Was an issue with games like darkfall. You NEED carebears in the game, otherwise pvp sucks, you need there to be a reason to play without pvp being the sole focus as to why you login every day. You still need to have that option to go on a muderous rampage, or kill someone whos annoying in chat, or enemy to your clan ect. Or even being a general pain to play near (people will poor gaming manners deserve special fatalities in game btw)
The pve system of "deal with them or they deal with you" seems interesting, however i can see pve griefing...as in farming someones mob spawns because you know they are waiting for it to escalate to farm the good mobs or something...either way its different and i like it. Also, i like FARMING...not growing crops, but the ancient RPG act of farming mobs for loot, so long as the drops are interesting and usefull...this game sounds like it has that.
This to me looks like EVE meets UO....and if they can get the basics done right...meaning a polished and smooth running client, combat thats functional, entertaining and buttery smooth...and a world that doesnt look like ass.....well...this is going to be a game ill be playing for years.
Can these people PLEASE focus on making a smooth running client and enjoyable and professional combat system first before they dump their awesome feature list into some placeholder combat system as so many failed sandboxes have done? PLEASE! Failing at this will be another cruel joke played upon sandboxers who put up with so much crap and so many delays for subpar products.


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Apple doesn't break down its iPhone sales figures, so we don't know for sure that the iPhone 5c sold poorly, but certainly everything we do know seems to point in that direction – from early sales estimates through analytics and consumer surveys to Apple switching production from the 5c to the 5s.
Tim Cook said in an earnings call that "the mix was something very different than we thought," and intimated that the model might be dropped: "If we decide it's in our best interest to make a change, then we'll make one."
None of this necessarily means that the 5c was a complete failure, of course: record-breaking iPhone sales right from the outset could mean that the plastic phone did ok, it's simply that the 5s sold far better than expected. It could also be that it was the extra sales gained from the 5c that helped break those records.
But I suspect not. While the brightly-colored 5c was not without its fans, it was the iPhone 5s with its Touch ID sensor and gold colored model that got all the attention, and I don't think Tumblr advertising is going to change that. So my bet is we will again see a trend away from colorful plastic iPhones …
Apple's previous iPhone strategy couldn't have been simpler: introduce one new handset a year, leaving the previous model or two on sale as the cheaper alternative. Those who wanted the new features, or simply have to have the latest thing, buy the new model, those who want to spend a little less can still have an iPhone by opting for an older model.
That was a strategy that worked, and was completely in line with Apple's policy of keeping its product lines as simple as possible. There are those who argue that to complicate this by introducing the iPhone 5c was a mistake. I don't view it that way, I view it as an experiment.
Apple's reasoning was this. There are those who will always buy the latest model. There are those who want to pay less and are happy with last year's tech. But there may be other categories: potential customers who weren't going to buy either an iPhone 5s or an iPhone 5 but could be persuaded to spend iPhone 5 money on something recognisably new.
It was an experiment Apple could afford to conduct. The innards were, after all, just an iPhone 5, meaning that most of the production process already existed. Replacing the casing would have been a relatively inexpensive change compared to introducing a whole new model, and if more people bought the 5c than would have bought the 5, then it could have been a worthwhile investment.
My belief, though, is that it wasn't. That the experiment failed. No matter how hard Apple tried to make plastic fashionable, most people prefer glass and metal, thanks very much. That's one of the reasons they own an iPhone.
Which is why I expect Apple to revert to its former strategy this year: launch the iPhone 6, and retain the iPhone 5s as the lower-cost option – with plastic being consigned to iPhone history. Do you think I'm right? Or that we'll see more plastic iPhones in future? Let us know your views in the poll and the comments.
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Would have been a success if the price was lower.
Agreed…I was just about to type the same thing.
I'd vote success
I'm leaning toward them releasing a 6c this year. They learned that making the older model phone look like less of a bargain they could boost sales of their flagship while anyone who did buy the cheaper model would give them higher profit margins since it was cheaper to manufacture. The iPhone 5c is there to contrast the 5s on the store shelf. To make the 5s look like the better value.
Remember when everyone was "disappointed" with 4s. That didn't happen this year because the 5 was no longer on the market. All people could talk about is how more people were buying the 5s over the 5c and how that was somehow bad for Apple — hahah.
I see people's problem with the 5c. It looks cheaper and they want it's price to reflect that. They don't want the 5c because they don't see the value in it. So they call it a failure. Those same people go buy a 5s. The people who do value that extra $100 or just like the colors buy a 5c and are happy with it cause it's a solid device and now they have the option to do 32gb for the same price as the 16gb 5s.
This is my guess for this summer:
$750 ≈4.7″ iPhone 6 16gb
$650 4″ iphone 6 16gb
$550 4″ iphone 6c 16gb
$450 4″ iphone 5c 8gb
+ $100 for storage bump except the 5c.
sorry, didn't mean to reply to you. meant it to the thread.
What no one has come out and say is how well the iPhone 5C did compared to the iPhone 4S last year. If the 5C outsold the 4S last year, which from sightings and talk i believe it did, I would call it a success.
It is already a known fact that the 5c this year outsold the 4s last year. See apple stock meeting last week friday
The plastic is the precise reason I switched from an iPhone 5 to a 5C. My 5 was starting to fall apart. The plastic of the 5C is, perversely, far tougher.
I agree with the commenters that say the price could've done with coming down some, though.
Im still confused as to why people consider the 5C a new product when it is not. The 5C is an iPhone 5 in a new case selling at the same price that the iPhone 5 would have sold after the launch of the 5S.
If anything the 5C was a complete success because without the 5C people wouldnt have been able to tell the difference between a 5 and a 5S hence purchasing the cheaper one. Apple managed to sell more 5Ss thanks to the fact that the difference between previous gen and current gen iPhones became way too noticeable.
there is a Definite trend towards big screens here in Italy. I hardly ever see iphone 5c's around here (when the iphone 4 came out most of my friends got one) – majority of people are buying big screens – whatever the brand.. even microsoft sell more smartphones in Italy than apple – and that says a lot!
plus the 5c is between €580 – €629 for 16gb which is expensive for the younger crowd..
No offense, but Microsoft selling more WPs than iPhones says more about Italy than about Apple. Italy is deeply troubled financially, so naturally premium-priced products like the iPhone won't sell as well. Of course bigger screens are a factor, but not the biggest one.
ok, true probably for pay-as-you-go, but when you're paying €29 a month on contract for mins, texts & data and you have to upgrade your phone why aren't people choosing the iPhone?
People are buying the bigger they can get at the cheapest price point especially now that nobody makes feature phones so smartphones are the only thing available. That says nothing about the quality of Apple's iPhone but the current economic situation in Italy and most of Europe. iPhones keep selling by the millions in N/A, Japan and even in China. Remember Apple keeps selling more iPhones year after year, that has not changed.
There is no definite trend towards big screens, there is just a trend towards cheaper phones because people on average is less wealthy than it used to be. PS: I'm Italian as well ;)
sure people want cheap, but go to any phone shop and compare the screens of premium phones. If Apple isn't following a trend in the market, it doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist… :)
I have seen LOADS of iPhone 5Cs around! Like Loads! It seemed to do really well here in England!
I believe that Apple should abandon it unless they can get it to be a phone like the Nexus 5 or Moto X, good phone for cheap off contract price, sell it free on contract and 350 with none and you are set.
I am almost certain that Apple designed the iPhone 5C and 5S boards to have the same screws holes. As a repair tech i am almost certain they are in the same place for almost every screw. I see next year Apple continuing the 5C to replace the 4S, and then once the 5C is set to be replaced the year after, Apple will transfer the iPhone 5S board to a 5C housing, they may keep it as a 5C name or 5S name but i see them putting the 5S board in the plastic housing to cut down on cost, this may then be the premium 350 phone that Apple will sell, that is if they can reach that point, and if they do i think that they will have a popular cheap phone once carriers drop contract prices.
4S is supposed to stop its sales till the end of the year, which will turn the 5c the "lower-cost" iPhone.
Have you wondered we will have 3 distinct models of iPhones in both hardware and software?
Maybe an aggressive cut in the 5c price will turn to what we expect to be the low-cost iPhone.
I don't think it will have big price cuts. the 4s will probably stay on sale in other markets just like the 4 is on sale.
The problem with the iPhone 5c, is that it's not a 'low cost' phone at all, which is how it was originally portrayed. It's last year's tech in a different casing – just slightly cheaper. – It is still a very expensive phone by any stretch of the imagination, that is made of plastic. The cost saving of going for the 5c over the 5s is hardly worth it – about 10-15% or roughly £70 cheaper (in the UK at least). Over a standard 24 month contract, this in real terms means a cost saving of about £3 per month. – Hardly a deal breaker!! I almost wonder if Apple introduced it, to deliberately make people opt for the more expensive 5c – and adopt the latest technology.
Oops. Meant the more expensive 5s.
The problem with Apple's low cost 5C is that isn't low cost.
The premise of the article is wrong..The 5c wasn't ever a "low priced" iphone. The 5C was a replacement for the iPhone 5. In order to know if the 5C did well you would need to compare sales of the 5C to sales of the 4 when the 4S came out.
Yep, this article is right on target. Apple has, in the past, thought plastic was a bad idea, but decided to try it, since Samsung has had so much success. The result? People want and expect Apple to be better than Samsung. They will ditch the plastic this year and go back to all glass and metal. The question is, will there be two screen sizes with the iPhone 6, or just one?
I'd vote success
I'm leaning toward them releasing a 6c this year. They learned that making the older model phone look like less of a bargain they could boost sales of their flagship while anyone who did buy the cheaper model would give them higher profit margins since it was cheaper to manufacture. The iPhone 5c is there to contrast the 5s on the store shelf. To make the 5s look like the better value.
Remember when everyone was "disappointed" with 4s. That didn't happen this year because the 5 was no longer on the market. All people could talk about is how more people were buying the 5s over the 5c and how that was somehow bad for Apple — hahah.
I see people's problem with the 5c. It looks cheaper and they want it's price to reflect that. They don't want the 5c because they don't see the value in it. So they call it a failure. Those same people go buy a 5s. The people who do value that extra $100 or just like the colors buy a 5c and are happy with it cause it's a solid device and now they have the option to do 32gb for the same price as the 16gb 5s.
This is my guess for this summer:
$750 ≈4.7″ iPhone 6 16gb
$650 4″ iphone 6 16gb
$550 4″ iphone 6c 16gb
$450 4″ iphone 5c 8gb
+ $100 for storage bump except the 5c.
Agreed on pricing. When you have the TouchID, better camera & flash, motion co-processor and 64bit architecture all for just $100 more it's a no brainer and more future proof. Honestly I like the look of the 5c, the 5s design is kind of old to me. That said, I can't ignore what's under the hood and especially for just $100 more.
Did anyone consider that they sold poorly because the colors are awful? I'm all for different colors but I don't need a phone that looks like an Easter egg.
I've scrolled through the comments to see if anyone mentioned this. That's exactly what I was going to say. I personally love the feel of the plastic – it feels grippy, and the curved edges feel better in my hand. I'd have gotten one in a heartbeat if the colors weren't hideous. Why these pastel colors? If they'd had a darker blue I would've considered it. Of course, a black one would probably sell well too. The white one is the best of the lot in my opinion, but the white back and the black face tarnish its looks for me. Change up the colors and I can see them being a lot more appealing to a lot more people.
I don't understand the problem. Apple offered a cheaper version, and more people thought it was worth the extra money to get the 5S. Apple can't be unhappy about this, so why would they change?
To be hones I think Apple is ahead of all our thinking. I believe Apple is using plastic now, only to tweak some manufacturing tectonics for a Carbon Fiber version of there #c's lines. It may not be this year or next year yet it will come as a surprise to all when it comes out. Once the phone goes Carbon Fiber then people will see and feel it is worth its current price.
I see the 5c everywhere! I'd say it was a huge success. It feels a lot nicer to hold also I prefer it to my 5. I think they'd be foolish to not pop the 5s into a colorful shell come September.
I love my 5c not because it was cheaper but because it is in COLOR! I love all the colors and the warm way it feels in my hand. If the 5s had come in COLORS, I would have bought a 5s, but it only came in cold colors. Put the touch ID and the extra memory, etc., in something in color and I will buy it.
Really, if you have a family and several iPhones, you have to be able to tell them apart from a distance. COLOR is the way to go.
maybe next year with the 6c!
I want to eventually get a 5c as a backup phone. Yes I know thats kind of silly, to buy 2 high end phones. I honestly just really want one, and if I could find one for a good deal second-hand I'll jump all over it. I just love the design for some reason. And knowing it may be discontinued makes me want one that much more oddly enough.
For some reason though, ever since Apple switched their entire product line to aluminum, people mock plastic as if its inherently bad. Yet 10 years ago when Apple was using plastic in everything, their products were still regarded as premium and beautifully designed. Many of Apples plastic products (iMac G3, G4 Cube) are the ones sitting in museums. So I don't see the reason to sneer at plastic, its all about how its used and overall quality. And the 5c certainly isn't lacking in the quality dept.
I think all they need to do is change the pricing strategy, maybe tweak a few of the colors and make some new ones (some people think the colors are too vivid), and it might do better. But I have doubts as to how much of a "failure" the 5c is. I'm sure most competitors would kill to have a failure like that.
I think another perspective is to ask, what did Apple do right with the iPhone 5c? Contrary to most comments, it was not simply putting a new case of the iPhone 5, though for most people, that is what it amounts to. The hardware was updated to support more frequencies which made the phone available in more markets than simply throwing the iPhone 5 hardware in a new case. I think this is an important distinction between offering a new mid-range iPhone and offering last years model as a mid-range iPhone. Similarly, I think there is a place in the line-up for a iPhone 4s size phone, but I think it's well past time to update the hardware. It should support LTE and the same frequencies as the latest model so it can be available in all the same markets as the premium model. It should move to the lightning cable. But that's about all that needs to change. And if they are going to continue offering the polycarbonate case, black should be an option.
I'd be all over a 4s with LTE. that's my Jam. but imagine if they did some fancy engineering and put a 4″ screen in a 4s width and height body. That would be so great! I really hope they surprise everyone with bringing that out of nowhere with all these rumors for 2 larger devices.
"Contrary to most comments, it was not simply putting a new case of the iPhone 5 …" I think you go too far here, or are at least splitting some very fine hairs. Yes, they updated the radio chip to support one more frequency, but otherwise, it's the exact same phone as last year, in a plastic jacket.
I don't think there is anything wrong with this. I think Apple's mistake was in thinking that they could convince people to pay "new" money, for a second-hand "last year" phone.
that last sentence doesn't make sense. Someone who was planning to buy a "this year" phone to begin with doesn't even look at the 5c they got in line for the 5s. Apple isn't trying to convince anyone to get it only saying, "here it is if someone wants it — look colors!". If anything they are trying to persuade people who would have gotten a year old 5 to pay the $100 more for a new 5s. Which from all of the evidence was what happened.
minor camera and antenna specs aside, the iPhone 5c is more about defining stronger lines and pushing sales of someone who might have cheaped out for the older device to get the new one. Apple's marketing for the 5c is all about style and what it looks like. It's not about features. People who don't care about the specs might find the colors more appealing than the boring colors everyone else has.
The 5c was a success as it outsold the second category iPhone from last year and did it with margins aided by the cheaper plastic.
I don't have the quote handy, but you are missing the part where Tim Cook himself recently stated that the iPhone 5c "exceeded" sales targets as well as last years sales (which were probably the target). Since this is the first year for the 5c, I took that to mean that they sold at least as many 5c's as they sold "last years model" previously. So by that account, it's a success, not a failure.
Also, I would argue that if they took a hundred bucks of the price, it would sell like hotcakes. So in fact, I would assume Apple will simply move forward with the coloured plastic strategy, while possibly reducing the cost.
It's possible that the iPhone 5c was a "failure" only in the sense that people thought it was going to be a lot cheaper. Fix that, and maybe it isn't a failure at all.
The thing with the 5c is it was basically just a rebranded 5… So its really difficult to hold it to the same standard as 5s. I would have liked to see how the 5c would have done had the 5c and 5s been released at the same time right after the 4s.
If it had better colors (less obnoxious) and a lower price, I think there wouldn't be much debate.
A LOT of celebrities here in the Phils ( A-list ones ) have an iPhone 5C instead of a 5S..its the color/fashionalble factor that sells them. So I doubt it was a failure. I have a 5C, both I and my wife got it the first day from a plan upgrade, did not even look at the 5S although we can afford it. The 5C is just plain gorgeous.
Here's a different take on the question: Was the previous iPhone 4S too big a success? Please bear with me. What if Apple's thinking behind the new plastic-versions of last years iPhone model was to widen the gap between the current top model, iPhone 5S, and last years discounted model, iPhone 5? What if Apple's plan was to push more customers toward the higher priced, but also more premium built iPhone 5s? Seen in that light, the new iPhone 5C models may have been a success in Apple's view, because they achieved just that. More people than usual went for the new iPhone models compared to earlier years, where many people could hardly tell the difference between the new iPhone 4S and the previous (and cheaper) iPhone 4. Needless to say, Apple prefers selling their higher priced product, and if you insist on getting the older and cheaper model iPhone, the " C-plastification" now ensures, that Apple gets a better profit margin on that product too.
I'd go ahead and say that the iPhone 5C models have been a success for Apple, because it made more people choose the 5S!
I believe the success or failure of the "C" iphone has yet to be determined. The true success or failure of the "C" will lie with emerging markets. Apple need to create a beachhead in the emerging markets and they are trying to do that with the 5C. All they have to do is lower the price. As the tech matures and gets cheaper Apple will be able to lower the price allowing more people to buy,
I think that Apple is using the long game for the iPhone 5c. While it is expensive now, when the next iPhone launches, they will lower the price of the 5c instead of making the 5s the cheaper phone. If the rumors are to be believed and the next iPhone is much larger, they may charge a premium for the new iPhone, keep the price the same or slightly lower for the 5s and make the 5c the $99.00 or free phone on contract.
The price was just too close to that of the 5s – it should have been no more than 66% of the 5s price model for model.
In England, for the 16G model, the price gap is £80 GBP unlocked – that's just not a big enough gap for someone to forego the fingerprint sensor and better camera lens.
yep, people look at it and think the price is too close it should be 66% of this other iPhone. This other iPhone is clearly better and worth that extra little % of money to get it. They don't think that the other other iPhone is twice as expensive as the 5c, they think the other iPhone is now a bargain compared to the 5c. So instead of not getting any iPhone they get the more expensive one.
Apple isn't tricking anyone. They aren't ripping anyone of. They are just underlining the model they want to sell with a "colorful" underline. Making it easy for people to see the better choice. Then their marketing for the 5c is aimed at people who just don't care and who really like the way it looks and it's style.
I love my 5C. It feels pretty close like my 3GS, which was my favorite body style.
I'd say success, price may have still not hit all the right notes but for those who can't afford the regular 5, 5s and such it's still a great option to have…
i think there are still some customers who prefer plastic over metal and glass, metal and glass appears to be delicate , like a piece of jewellery. Mean while the plastic casing makes the iPhone more like a little device that can use in any situation. Like a part of themselves, more easy to become their helpful hand.
User will therefore no need to treat their phone like a jewellery – carefully , put it in a proper space in ur bag or always worried the phone being scratch…..
For me the S-vs-C differentiation is more of a calculated risk (Apple testing the waters for this coming round) than a failed product differentiation.
Currently: the S and the C are too closely priced to make the C compelling. Although I do like the plastic look-and-feel a LOT better, I opted for the S for the extra features (A7, M7, Touch ID, better camera) at a (relatively) small price difference. Otherwise, the S looks too busy for my (visual) tastes.
However, I sense that this year the differentiation will be a totally different matter. I foresee:
– the current 5s becoming the new iPhone 6, clad in plastic (that alone would have me buying it), with some of the latest tech dripping down to it
– Apple launching a differently-marketed iPhone. I'd call it the "iPhone Air": phablet size, all luxury and bling, with all the latest tech and materials they might wanna throw in. This way they'll also make the new screen res for the developers much easier to swallow
– Definitely higher pricing for the "Air" compared to the 5s and hopefully slightly lower pricing for the "6". If each device is kept for an average of 2 years, 100USD difference is EASILY justifiable. So for me a 200 difference would be much more likely this time around.
– Differentiation will be mostly on screen size and "luxury" and secondarily on performance, but not on features. Buyers of the "smaller" device should not feel like they're buying a technologically lesser/limited product.
At this point, I'd be happy with them dropping all devices with the 30-pin connector and going all the way with the 8-pin one.
I voted success, but maybe not as big as Apple would have liked/people expected. I know several people that upgraded to a 5c this year, and while I went with the 5s, I really like the way the 5c feels in your hand, and some of the colours really pop. I think the main problem, like people have pointed out already, was the price. Going in, I remember reading reports/rumours that Apple would likely keep the 5 as mid-tier, release the 5s as the high end, and introduce the plastic model 5c as the low end/free option, making the whole iPhone line the same screen size and lightning compatible. I think this approach would have been better, and I think people expecting this were let down when the plastic model ended up being more expensive than their expectations. I still think Apple could play around with pricing and model options, and I believe there truly is room for bright, fun, colourful models in the iPhone line for people like my girlfriend, who loves her pink 5c, but I think they need to fit it in the right place in their lineup to really make it a success.
I can only for certain say that the 5C was an experiment.
Either the 5C would sell craploads because it was the cheaper one, or the 5S would sell craploads because it was the gorgeous, new, super fast one with the fancy ring on the button.
I compare the 5C to the clamshell iBooks when they came in colors. They were still relatively powerful for the price, but not a "professional" or enterprise contender at all based on the design. (many of yours' and others' comments reflect this concept). As far as I know, the clamshell iBook didn't sell like crazy, certainly not like the iMac was.
But here's what happened. Eventually the iBook turned into a white only model, and the rest is history. The white iBook sold like crazy because it was this almost faceless, super affordable and super fast, quite attractive but not necessarily kid-like thing, which kinda managed to do everything, even run Office if you were bold enough to use a white laptop for business, oh myyyyy. As more people gradually switched to mac in the mid and late 2000s, the black MacBook was introduced and that was clearly a game changer. No one could say it looked like a toy. it was a black laptop. it could even run Windows. It was at this point people were actually not insane to call Mac laptops the best laptops in the world (regardless of what platform you chose to run).
Obviously the analogy to the 5C is different. Android and it's supported hardware are (thank god) wildly different from desktop windows and its supported hardware. Very different atmosphere now (again.. thank..god). BUT what I can conceivably see happing with the 5C is that it drops the colors, maybe has a slight name change, comes in just black or white, but the internals remain roughly the same, evolition not revolution. The 5C's offspring – probably won't be called the 5C though – could become the white iBook and then black macbook of mobile phone computing. The black Macbook felt like the first entry level mac laptop that was okay for everyone to use without feeling guilty or silly for "buying a mac."
We shall see. Tough to say if they're scrap the plastic but I do not see them scrapping a 3-tiered phone lineup: the flagship, the last year's model for a discount, and the entry level which isn't flashy but is still powerful.


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We worked around the clock to get our booth put together in time to share it with our fans that are not able to attend the show this weekend. We know this doesn't compare to actually being at the convention, but we didn't want to leave anybody out of this one.
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>> ROCKY POSTER (4 photos)
>> THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS POSTER (2 photos)
>> DRAGONS 6: ICE DRAGON CLAN (3 photos)
>> DRAGONS 6: SCAVENGER DRAGON CLAN (3 photos)
>> HANNA-BARBERA 3: GRAPE APE (2 photos)
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>> HANNA-BARBERA 3: SECRET SQUIRREL (2 photos)
>> TWISTED CHRISTMAS: SNOWMAN (5 photos)
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>> McFARLANE TOYS AT NEW YORK COMIC-CON 2007 (all 26 photos)


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What's the status of your free bumper case/refund?
We're getting flooded with email and tweets about Apple automagic bumper case refunds. Looks like Apple is shifting into high gear and notifications are going out fast and furiously. Apple also launched an app today for those of you who don't yet have bumpers so you can go claim one.
Let us know what your current bumper case status is in the poll above, and give us the details in the comments. Overall, how's it going for you? Is Apple handling this right?
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What's the status of your free bumper case/refund?
My iPhone 4 is fine actually, but hey, if Apple wants to give me a free case I'm good with that. I chose the Belkin Micra. Plus you guys are sending me that free bumper, and the 4 fits in the Griffin holster I had for my 3G. I'm all set. :)
Other: Apple sucks and doesnt let you order online and I'm deployed with military and may or may not get to order on time. Thanks Apple!
OK, I went on the app and got the bumper, I actually already had a bumper but I thought I would get the extra case and not get a refund. But after I got the order, I also got the email saying that I'm getting a refund, I also got the email about my free case order. I'm I getting both? I don't know, it sure looks like it though.
Ordered 2 on my iTunes account - one for me, one for the wife. Notified of a refund today, not sure I got one or two refunds though. I assume 2.
No big deal though, no dropped calls for me even in low signal areas. Even on one bar the phone is still just fine. What a crock, but I'll take the free stuff all the same.
I used the app, which said free. Now I have a 28.99 charge to my bank account. Be cautious!
Got an email saying my black bumper will ship august 27th receive by September 1st
Don't waste your free case on a bumper. You can get them on EBay for about $2.00.
The other available case options through the Apple app ate a better value.
BTW. Got email from Apple confirming August shipment.
I won't get my case until Sept 8th. I might as well get an otterbox.
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My guess it is so they can access the serial number and IMEI number to ensure only one case is getting sent per iPhone. Is the problem that you don't have your iPhone with you, or it can't access the internet where you are? Either way, sorry it isn't working out for you.
Thanks for your service to our country.
Got an otterbox defender as well because the free case won't be here until September 1st
I like a lot of people awoke to the news of the case app; downloaded it and ordered my case. I HAD purchased a bumper in store on launch day but hadn't heard anything about a refund for my card.... a couple hours later I got the email from apple saying my refund was complete. Soooo I don't know if im getting my "free" case anymore. The order status is still pending so we'll see come late august??
@Muero. Works fine for me on iPhone. What problem are you having?
If somebody doesn't want their case, I will be happy to pay for them to ship it to me!
I cant find the app...where is it
Sept 1 delivery here, too. So "ships in 3-5 weeks" is "ships in exactly 5 weeks". I'd been watching Twitter closely all week so I could order as soon as the offer opened up.
Btw, here's what a lot of people aren't seeing. You have to redeem your free case within 30 days of iPhone 4 purchase. For those many launch day folks, your cutoff is tomorrow. Best order right away.
Got my order aknowledment with an Aug 27 ship date. It will be my second bumper since I bought one from the apple store. I plan to put it on my second iPhone when I upgrade in January.
7:46PM Eastern and I am still getting the "Unable to process request" error message.
I got the Speck PixelSkin HD.
Ships sept. 3rd, delivered the 8th?? "C'mon man!"
Ordered mine. Ships Aug 27 Deliver Sep 1. Even though I have no problems at all with reception or death grip or touching the left corner. But I will be take it anyway. I think this whole antenna thing is all bs. I know 5 others with the iPhone 4 and they too have no issues with gripping it. Btw who in holds there phone in "death grip" anyway? It's a phone not a baseball.
I really like this poll, and im getting mine in spet. ...lol
i ordered my free bumper on 23rd & just had email to say it's been shipped & should take 3 business days wow thats fast.
Does the bumper REALLY make that big of a difference??? Seems that the problem was blown out of proportion by media and this is a ploy by apple to sell more bumper cases since its their first case...


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Grab a bite at The Barn tucked away in PawletBy Steve Peters
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photo providedWhen I consider the quintessential Vermont dining experience, I envision mountain views and rustic charm. I hear energetic folk music and the clinking of pint classes. I taste farm– fresh veggies and local meat bursting with flavor. In the winter, I'm warmed by a crackling fire and in the summer, I'm delighting in my surroundings in outdoor seating. Little did I know, I was imagining The Barn.
To city folk like myself, The Barn, nestled in the Mettowee Valley of Pawlet, is a bit of a hidden gem. To locals, it's the go-to place whether for a quality meal or to grab a drink and enjoy some music. From Rutland, it's a leisurely 45 minute drive down Route 133 that's nothing short of picturesque right now.
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Although I was skeptical that a good restaurant could be found in a place that felt so far off the beaten path, my doubt dissipated upon walking in the door and stepping into the cozy tavern. I was surprised to find that the expansive two floor dining room was already well booked by the time we called that afternoon. Yet we were still able to make a reservation downstairs in the tavern, and that was just fine. At first we were concerned that we'd be limited to just the tavern menu, but were happy to find that the restaurant menu is also offered downstairs.
We didn't want to miss out on one of the great features of dining at The Barn $13 entrees. I'm not sure how they do it, but all of the menu entrees — everything from Filet Mignon and New York Strip to sea scallops and broiled haddock — are just $13. The entrees are decent sized portions too, not downsized to reflect the reasonable price, and include rolls, a potato or rice side and seasonal vegetables. For just three dollars more, you can add a field greens salad and get a taste of their house made Maple-Dijon dressing, which I recommend you do.
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I ordered the Chicken Mettowee, one of their classics. In this dish, two pieces of chicken breast are layered with prosciutto and cheddar cheese then coated in a basil cream sauce. The result is a perfect balance of richness and earthiness, and it couldn't be more fitting for a place called The Barn. A crispy baked potato and side of thin, fresh asparagus stalks made for a good pairing.
If you're looking for a wide selection of on-tap brews, this may not be the place for you. They do, however, carry an extensive selection of bottled beers, and some good finds too. Blue Point's Oatmeal Stout and Magners Irish Cider were happily enjoyed at our table. A reasonably priced wine menu and a well-stocked bar are also options.
I love living in downtown Rutland and having the ability to walk almost everywhere I need to go, but it's always nice to get out of the big city every once in a while. Pawlet and The Barn are just one of the many short drives I've found very much worth the while. When you venture out of town, dining out becomes more than just a means of satiating your hunger and turns into an experience to discover somewhere new. With summer almost upon us, I imagine several more leisurely drives and fine meals are in my near future. I look forward to sharing my finds.MORE IN This Just InBy Kathleen Phalen Tomaselli Full StoryBennington College and Middlebury College both top a list for most entrepreneurial colleges in... Full StoryWas the response to an alleged assault at College of St. Full Story
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