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Thursday, October 31, 2013
On Oct. 30 at approximately 10:49 a.m. the Mount Pleasant Police Department received a call regarding shots being fired in the area of Dingle Road off of Hwy. 17. Upon arrival they located a green, 2001, Buick Century sedan at the end of Dingle Road and a black male victim, deceased, in the driver's seat. The Charleston County Sheriff's Office was immediately notified due to the incident location being in the Sheriff's Office's jurisdiction. Witnesses say they saw three black males running from the scene. Two of the black males were described as being approximately 5'09" and 150 pounds; one wearing a red shirt with black shorts and the other wearing a green shirt and black shorts. The third male is described as being of a larger build than the other two and wearing a white shirt and tan shorts. Charleston County Sheriff's Office Aviation Unit responded to the scene to aid in searching for the suspects and Mt. Pleasant K-9 officers conducted a search of the area as well.
Detectives are continuing to work this investigation, and are asking anyone with information regarding this case to contact them at 843-202-1700 or Crime Stoppers at 843-554-1111.
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Diversity Week events in the John C. Hitt Library from Monday, October 21 to Friday, October 25 include movies and classes.
Take a look at the full schedule at http://guides.ucf.edu/content.php?pid=525322
Special event, Monday, October 21, noon to 1.00 p.m., Room 223: Meet the author!
***UCF alumna, Lindsey Moynahan, The Waiting Tree***
Find her work at UCF Main Library General Collection - 4th Floor -- PS3613.O938W34 2013

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Sennheiser PMX 685i In-Ear Neckband Sports Headphones
Sennheiser PMX 685i In-Ear Neckband Sports Headphones
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Enjoy your favourite music on the move with PMX 685i Sennheiser headphones which deliver superb sound quality with lightweight premium earbuds and a light rugged neckband. Designed in conjunction with Adidas, these sports headphones are durable and reliable without sacrificing sound quality.
A moisture protection system means you can exercise in challenging conditions with your favourite tunes, and rinse the headphones clean under running water. Carefully selected materials absorb shock and minimise wear. Noise isolation and comfort are achieved with a choice of earbud sizes so you can hear just musical detail and not the surrounding noise.
Adjust the volume, skip tracks, answer phone calls and activate Siri with the included remote for iPod, iPhone and iPad.
- Neckband fit for outdoor activities – light and compatible with most half helmets
- Foam earpads for awareness of your surroundings
- Moisture protection system for challenging conditions; can be rinsed clean under running water
- In-line remote and mic to change volume, skip tracks and take calls
- Durable materials to absorb shock and minimise wear
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Good headphones until they died.
I used these headphones for hard training sessions both in and out of the gym. Sound quality is good and they stayed in place whic I used these headphones for hard training sessions both in and out of the gym. Sound quality is good and they stayed in place which was good, but became a lot less comfortable on long training sessions.
Unfortunately, sweat must have got into the volume buttons which made them unresponsive, effectively rendering them useless. This happened with two sets of headphones making them dangerous when volume locks in high.
For low intensity training purposes these might work for you but if you're training involves large amounts of sweat then you might experience the same problem. …
- Written by Kurt J from BRISTOL
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Great sound and stays in my ears
I bought these headphones for use at the gym.
I've tried ones that hook over your ears or earbud ones and when I get a bit sweaty I bought these headphones for use at the gym.
I've tried ones that hook over your ears or earbud ones and when I get a bit sweaty, they just slip out.
After much research and advice, I decided to opt for these. I cannot fault the sound quality or the fact they actually stay in place when I'm on the treadmill but I must have really odd ears. My right ear was absolutely fine yet after 2 hours in the gym, I could barely touch my left ear, I was so painful and bruised.
Sadly I'm going to have to return these......gutted as I though I'd found the perfect headphones :-( …
- Written by Naomi L from London
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Yes - I do!
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- 20-Jun-2014
What is the length of the cord from the headset to the control? The previous model (PMX 680i) was 4", which I found to be perfect.
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- 10-Jan-2013
will the pmx 685i neckband headphones work with a nano
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- 11-Nov-2012
It says on the little graphics just below that it's compatible with all those models (iPhone 3GS, 4S It says on the little graphics just below that it's compatible with all those models (iPhone 3GS, 4S, iPod Nano etc) …
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- 26-Dec-2012
are these gud for gym purpose ??? sweat proof ???
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- 17-Dec-2012
When doing sit ups/anything that requires you to put your head down on flat surface, the neck band c When doing sit ups/anything that requires you to put your head down on flat surface, the neck band causes the earbuds to pop out of your ears (sennheiser makes an in ear headphone with the same technology), but they are certainly moister proof. After sweating all over them you can rinse them off. …
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Ironmen at World Cup Asia in Langkawi, Malaysia
The Ironmen set off to Langkawi Malaysia for the World cup Asia event on november 11- 13. We were invited there to represent the USA in the Intercontinental Cup Division of the Tournament. This division featured many teams such as, TonTons from France, Reapers from South Africa, Xfox/Xtioners from Malaysia, Assassalas from Africa, STK from Australia, Datis from Iran and a few others. There were also tons of teams competing in all of the divisional levels.
Our trip started off with a very long flight from Los Angeles to Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur and then finally to Langkawi. Our hosts were gracious enough to set us up with some local sightseeing tours where we got to see some of the mangroves, eagle feeding and their fantastic beaches. We also were able to take cable cars up to the top of the highest peak on Langkawi for some amazing views. We also were able to eat with the King and Princess of Malaysia for a festive dinner.
Our tournament started off with a match against Xfox/Xtioneers the Malaysian representative that ended with a 3-2 victory for us. The next match was against Assassalas from Gabon Africa, and was also a 4-0 win for us. Our final match of the Prelims was against a strong STK from Australia who we also beat 4-0. On sunday we were up against Datis from Iran who had just won the Division one crown, we also beat them 4-0. The final match was against TonTon's which we lost in a close fought battle 4-2. Congratulations o the Tontons for their first place victory in the ICC division.
The Ironmen would like to thank everyone for the nice event the put on at WCA and we look forward to coming back next year.
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News about Albania, including commentary and archival articles published in The New York Times.
Chronology of Coverage
May. 11, 2015
Eight police officers and 14 suspected members of Albanian rebel group Kosovo Liberation Army are killed during fighting in northern Macedonia. MORE
Oct. 21, 2014
Albanian Prime Min Edi Rama's scheduled visit to Belgrade, Serbia, is postponed after provocative stunt at soccer match in Belgrade that fanned ethnic tensions, spurred violence and provoked apparent cyberattack; visit would have been first by Albanian prime minister in nearly 70 years. MORE
Oct. 15, 2014
Soccer Roundup; qualifying match between Serbia and Albania for the 2016 European Championship is abandoned after skirmishes break out involving players and fans over an Albanian flag that was flown above the field by a drone; other soccer news noted. MORE
Jun. 17, 2014
Hundreds of Albanian police officers storm lawless southern village Lazarat after people suspected of growing marijuana fired rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and machine guns at officers during drug raid. MORE
Nov. 19, 2013
Story of how Albania saved virtually all of its 200 native Jews and 400 Jewish refugees from Germany and Austria, in addition to helping spirit hundreds more over from Nazi-occupied lands, will be retold in Dec at the Museum of Jewish Heritage in New York; Albania has practical reasons for wanting this story known, as it is seeking membership in the European Union. MORE
Nov. 16, 2013
Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons approves plan for elimination of Syria's chemical arms that calls for most of arsenal to be destroyed outside country; approval comes same day that Albania turns down American request to help with disposal, dealing blow to Washington's efforts to find country prepared to undertake politically sensitive disarmament project. MORE
Mar. 31, 2013
Tim Neville travel article on five-day hiking trip across mountains that separate Albania, Kosovo and Montenegro. MORE
May. 9, 2012
Federal government grants asylum to Albanian informer Edmond Demiraj, ending a case that had reached the Supreme Court as he sought to prove that he feared for himself and his family if they were returned to their home country. MORE
Mar. 13, 2012
Albanian court sentences 19 former officials to prison for a series of explosions at an ammunition disposal factory near the capital of Tirana that killed 26 people in 2008. MORE
Feb. 21, 2012
Gunmen in Afghan police uniforms open fire on NATO troops in southern Afghanistan, killing an Albanian soldier and wounding a second Albanian and another international soldier. MORE
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I have no other words than simply disgusting and vulgar......( actually I have quite a few words..I just can't use them here)
I don't get it. Was he attempting to mimic a similar piece depicting Christ in this manner? Was it some sort of free expression ordeal? I'm not really sure what his intent was.
Somebody needs his lithium dose raised.
i think, to some extent, it was just that, gunny...he seemed to be stretching for a widely encompassing, acerbic sardonicism...but...since he's incapable of actual rational thought...never mind any form of intellectual cohesiveness...he just came across as he usually does....full of ****e and about as funny as an islamic beheading etiquitte course
This was a response to the government funded so-called "artistic" rendering of Jesus in a jar of urine and the leftist political nod and wink approval of it, and was apparently a charity funding event.
Not that I approve of it... just appeared to require a bit of explanation here.
a painting of Obama being crucified which some Christians found offensive. The artist felt his First Amendment rights had been violated.
I stand corrected - apologies.


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Apple still rules & will continue to be on top if their game. I'll really love to have an iPhone 5
i would like an iPad please as "I'm just a caveman, your world frightens and confuses me" .... Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer? Phil Hartman?? anyone? chestnut reference but the classics never die...
iPad Mini, because I really like the form factor!
I would want an iPhone 5. This is my dream device. I have wanted to get the iPhone 4S before but I wasn't down with its 3.5-inch screen and glass back. Now that it's aluminum and has a 4-inch screen, I would be a happy camper if I win!
I would like to win a black iPad Mini so my dad can have a tablet
I would love to have iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S. I have already got iPad.
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I don't have Iphone 5 so I would like to get one.....
An iPad mini please! It would make a perfect Christmas present for my fiancé!
I really want an iPad Mini!
i would like to win an iphone 5 so that i can communicate better with ny husband abroad...
I'd love to get my mom an iPad 4!
iPad mini!!
I want an iPad mini so my wife will stop using mine !!!!!!!!
iPhone 5, cant wait to take pictures with it.
Ipad mini! Cause i would love to give it to my wife
Would love an ipad mini because it's a tablet that you can put in your pocket! Merry Christmas
Think I'll go with the iPad, since I have enjoyed using the ones belonging to my mom and sister. Thanks.
iPad mini under the tree!
I would like an iPhone 5. I am an avid iOS and OS X advocate. I have carried the apple flag against android and windows naysayers and have converted many to Mac. An iPhone 5 would really help me with my productivity at work, I am enlisted in the USAF, and give me another tool against the android minions...
I would like an iPad Mini because I find my current iPad too big and heavy for my little boy.
My better half just put my phone through the washing machine so this is perfect timing. Well, besides the beating the whole odds thing. Happy holidays everyone.
My iPhone 4S is still pretty solid-- a full-sized iPad is too big and heavy to carry around. But the iPad Mini might be just right for replacing my Kindle touch, allowing a readable screen for ssh'ing into my BSD server using the 'Prompt' app, and allowing me to read web comics. iPad Mini is the obvious choice.
I would like to surprise my wife with a brand-new iPad mini for Christmas. That is all.
I would put the gift card towards an iPad Mini 32gb. Wow what a win this would be, thanks for doing this contest.
I would love a nice, shiny new iPad to complement my MacBook Air, iMac, and iPhone. The iPad would be the perfect thing for reading on my morning bus rides to work.
I would love to win an iPad mini. Due to my unfortunate incareration I find my self spending 23 hours a day staring at the walls of my cell wishing for contact with the greater world. Only 27 years left on my sentence.. who knew pirating My Little Pony episodes would extract such a price. Anyways, an iPad mini would surely bring a smile to my face something I swore I would never do again until they found a less embarrassing name for the penal system.
I'd like the new iPad. It will definitely be a great study tool to prepare for my boards!!!! Thanks for the giveaway!!!
I'd like an iPad mini for my little brother. He loves Apple, and he wants to be just like his big brother; I have the larger iPad. He'd love it in black!
I want an iPad Mini because my mom wants one and it would be nice to get her one for free.
iPad mini, it perfect
I'm up for an iPad 4!
An iPhone 5 please. I wish to upgrade my iPhone. Merry Christmas.
An iPhone 5 would be sweet indeed!
An iPad Mini, please ;)))......a little bigger, way portable, and I've been very very good!!
First off i want to say that imore is awesome.
You guys are the reason that im on my fone all day.
Now give me a chance to be on an ipad mini all day!
I would love to have an ipad mini!
Thanx imore!
i would buy the 4th gen iPad because i need performance and iPad mini is too mini for me so please imore, give me the chance to buy the 4th gen iPad
I would love to have any of those. But the one I want the most is an iPhone 5. I keep downplaying it and saying I'll wait for the 5s or the 6. But ever since I got to try one out at a store I've been hooked. But I can't add another line. And buying off contract is way out of my price range.
iPhone 5 for this Christmas would be great!
I would love the new iPad!! Happy Holidays!!
I would love an iPhone 5, love the big screen!
Oh man! I would really LOVE an iPad mini!!!! I have always wanted an iPad! And the mini seems SO much easier to carry!
Would pick the ipad mini for its portability.
I'd love to have a 4th generation iPad!! I'm still using the first generation for some financial reasons. I use iPad everyday, I'm really looking forward to take advantage of the gorgeous retina display and the much better processor!! :D
the ipad mini - my son loves to read. Its the perfect size for him!
I would be soooo Merry for the iPad Mini!
I have been good all year, and would feed the reindeer for a year!
I would like to win
My best friend bought me an IPod touch 3rd gen last year for Christmas. It was my first Apple product and I'm in love with it. This is the reason why I would love to win an IPad 4. I didn't realize how awesome Apple is. I can just imagine how the IPad is. I would love to win one for Christmas.
i would love an ipad mini to watch my itunes movies
An ipad mini would be my choice to include my apple devices family.
Merry christmas.
I want an iPhone 5 please.
Well, why i do rock the iPhone 5, I'm jamming much less with the OG iPad :-) So yea, I'd adore a new iPad.
The New iPad, please!
Ipad mini please
I would love to win the ipad 4 generation. Why?, because i´ve never have one(iPad) before.
Totally has to be an iPad mini......no doubt about it! With the awesome LTE speeds..... That's my gift that I would want


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COURTESY PHOTO BY JIMMY JACKSON Springtime at Padre Island National Seashore puts blooms on the goat's foot morning glory vines that cover the dunes. For years, local leaders tried to gain state control of Padre Island.
COURTESY PHOTO BY JIMMY JACKSON Coyotes have the run of Padre Island National Seashore. Many people believe the coyote population is divided into predators that hunt in packs and scavengers, which are much leaner animals.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES Beware of Portuguese man o' war on the beach. Even when dead and washed up on the sand their tentacles produce a painful sting.
Caller-Times file The south view of the Malaquite Beach visitors center in early 1986. The already-weak structure was damaged further by Hurricane Allen in 1980 and was replaced by a new visitors center complex in 1989.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES File Periodically a white cross unceremoniously appears on this tall dune at Padre Island National Seashore.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES FILE Beach debris carried by converging currents to Padre Island National Seashore provide a backdrop for campsites on the beach.
Caller-Times file Lady Bird Johnson is among the crowd serenaded at the dedication of Padre Island National Seashore April 8, 1968.
Caller-Times file The entrance sign to the Padre Island National Seashore in 1986.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES FILE This is what the beach looks like at Big Shell Beach, about 20 miles south of Malaquite Beach near the visitors center.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES Peregrine falcons are among the species that draw bird watchers to Padre Island National Seashore.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES Peregrine falcons are easily found at the park during the fall hawk migration through South Texas. They prey on birds.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES More than 350 bird species have been documented at Padre Island National Seashore, attracting birders from all over the world to one of the birdiest places on the planet.
Caller-Times file Richard Mueller of Phoenix takes off on his board in 2007 into the Padre Island National Seashore's Bird Island Basin as he enjoys an afternoon of windsurfing.
Caller-Times file A flock of birds fly past the rising sun in 2003 at Padre Island National Seashore.
Caller-Times file Billy Sandifer removes trash from the beach in 2010. The Billy Sandifer Big Shell Beach Cleanup is held annually and has removed 2.158 million pounds of trash total since 1996.
Caller-Times file A windsurfer sails across the water at Bird Island at Padre Island National Seashore in 2000.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES Anglers from all over come to fish the remote surf of Padre Island National Seashore. Here, Nick Meyers reels in a pompano.
Caller-Times file Derek Hambly, Padre Island National Seashore naturalist, explains the life of a cabbage head jellyfish held by Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall as Lady Bird Johnson listens during dedication ceremonies for the national seashore on April 8, 1968.
Caller-Times file William 'Buzz' Botts (left), education coordinator for Padre Island National Seashore, helps Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi students in a research ethics and professionalism class. Miguel Diaz (center) and Courtney Lee separate organisms they dragged from the Gulf of Mexico on June 27, 2008.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES Visitors must look closely to spot one of these keeled earless lizards. Not only are they quick, but they blend well with the Padre Island sand.
Caller-Times file Amanda Garza, teacher and ranger at Padre Island National Seashore, show students from Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi Research Ethics and Professionalism class a piece of soft coral during her "Hidden Treasures" program July 10, 2009. The program lets students capture and analyze living sea creatures during a low-tide and then release back into the Gulf of Mexico.
COURTESY PHOTO BY JIMMY JACKSON White-tailed deer often climb to the top of the dune during early morning at Padre Island National Seashore.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES Surf fishing on Padre Island National Seashore often requires special equipment to withstand the harsh environment. This is part of the attraction.
Caller-Times file Alex Vasquez, 5 (left), plays with her mother, Carmen Vasquez, in the surf at Padre Island National Seashore. The Vasquez family came down for the day in 2000 from Austin.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES FILE Camping at the Mansfield Jetty is not for tenderfoots. But unlike most of Padre Island National Seashore, the park's southern boundary sometimes has cellphone reception.
Caller-Times file A female Kemp's ridley sea turtle heads back to the water after getting a satellite transmitter attached to its back in 1999. She was the first Kemp's ridley turtle that year that was discovered by the sea turtle patrol. A recovery program for Kemp's ridley turtles started at Padre Island National Seashore in 1978.
Caller-Times file National Park Service employees prepare to release hatchlings into the Gulf of Mexico. This past nesting season, more than 200 Kemp's ridley nests were found on Texas beaches, including 116 on Padre Island.
Caller-Times file Kemp's ridley sea turtles make their way to the water during a turtle release at the Padre Island National Seashore in 2004. The turtles have achieved iconic status through the continuing efforts of the National Park Service and Donna Shaver, chief of the national seashore's Division of Sea Turtle Science and Recovery.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES Kemp's ridley sea turtles are the smallest and most endangered sea turtles in the world. Hatchling releases at Padre Island National Seashore attract thousands of visitors each year.
Caller-Times file Lady Bird Johnson inspects the plaque at the dedication of Padre Island National Seashore on April 8, 1968. Her husband Lyndon Johnson did not enthusiastically back the seashore's establishment.
Caller-Times file Lady Bird Johnson speaks at the dedication ceremony of the Padre Island National Seashore on April 8, 1968. The platform was built out of driftwood at the first lady's request. Her husband Lyndon Johnson wasn't behind the establishment of a national seashore.
DAVID SIKES/CALLER-TIMES This is the remains of a Civil War era shipwreck behind the dunes on Padre Island National Seashore, uncovered in 1980 by Hurricane Allen. It's referred to as the Miss Lillian or Lillian's Wreck after Lillian Embree, who found it.


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Carrboro at Chapel Hill highlights Friday night football action
Unlikely as it sounds, a 2-A football program is among the best in the area and will get a chance to prove it once again when favored Carrboro travels to reeling 3-A rival Chapel Hill at 7:30 tonight in week three of the 2013 season.
Those two teams are among 15 of the 16 local programs in action tonight. Hillside, the state's No. 11-ranked team, has the night off.
Carrboro, 2-0, is coming off a 15-1 state 2-AA runner-up season and returns two of the best players in the area in junior running back Trai Sharp and senior receiver Marlin Johnson.
Carrboro is 2-2 against the Tigers since beginning the series in 2009 with a 35-14 loss.
But Carrboro — now in its seventh varsity season — became a winner in 2010 with a 10-4 record and not coincidentally racked up its first win over Chapel Hill that same year, 22-20.
The Jags lost to a 6-0 Tigers team 22-9 in 2011 but demolished a 5-0 Chapel Hill squad 35-0 last season.
The emergence of Sharp and Chapel Hill transfer Johnson has keyed Carrboro's run to state prominence and Chapel Hill, 0-2 for the first time wince 2010, appears headed in the opposite direction after an overtime home loss to 4-A Riverside and a 37-13 rout at 2-A South Granville last week.
Sharp holds scholarship offers from N.C. State, Purdue and Illinois and the 5-9, 180-pounder has rushed 48 times for 383 yards in two games this season. His breakout game this season came Friday in a 34-21 win over East Chapel Hill when he carried 26 times for 260 yards.
Chapel Hill's defense surrendered 212 yards to Riverside back Joel Evans in week one and 171 to South Granville's Sean Bowman in week two and will be hard pressed to slow Sharp this week. And "slow" is about the best anyone does against Sharp who had more than 3,000 yards total offense and 38 touchdowns a year ago.
Compounding the Tigers' problems will be the ability of Carrboro to stretch the field with first-time starting quarterback Jonah Mendys throwing and Johnson (6-2, 204) making big plays on the receiving end.
Johnson has caught 10 passes for 222 yards — an average of 22.2 yards per catch — in the opening two games.
Chapel Hill's offense, by comparison, has been anemic.
Running back Jeremy Peck has 43 carries for 146 yards on the year and quarterback Grant DeSelm has 20 completions in 37 attempts for 178 yards and an interception.
A difference maker up front for the Tigers could be 6-3, 300-pound two-way junior lineman Logan Tisch, but Carrboro has an answer for him in their own two-way line star, 6-2, 300 senior Ezavian Dunn.
Here's a look at each of tonight's other area games:
— Northern (0-2) at Wakefield (1-0), 7 p.m. —The visiting Knights continue their brutal non-conference schedule (six games against five playoff teams from 2012) against the Wolverines and a potent 1-2 offensive punch of quarterback Evan Braband (21-35-1-300, 4 TDs) and running back Kelton Whitehead (14 carries, 183 yards) who beat Holly Springs 40-28 in their opener Aug. 30. Northern's been outscored 88-15 in a pair of road losses to open the season.
— Green Hope (1-1) at Jordan (1-1), 7 p.m. — Jordan is the underdog tonight, but not a prohibitive one. Green Hope lost to an excellent Cardinal Gibbons team 14-12 in its opener and barely slid past lightly regarded Raleigh Sanderson (20-16) last week. The visiting Falcons (beware, the teams share the same nickname) don't run the ball well, averaging just 2.9 yards per carry, but throw it effectively (40 for 77, 454 yards, five TDs). Green Hope's Achilles could be turnovers — its quarterback has been interecepted six times. Jordan comes off a one-point road win at Raleigh Enloe.
— Orange (2-0) at Riverside (1-1), 7 p.m. — The 3-A visitors are the presumed favorite in this one with a quarterback who can throw (Garrett Cloer) and backs who can run and catch in Tay Jones and Patrick Pettiford. The Panthers have stepped up in classification and beaten two-straight members of Riverside's 4-A PAC-6 in Person and Northern and done it by a combined score of 82-22. Riverside won its opener at Chapel Hill in overtime and lost to Fuquay-Varina 22-20 on Friday, showing it's much more competitive than in the recent past. Running back Joel Evans has run for almost 300 yards total in the opening games.
— Cedar Ridge (0-2) at East Chapel Hill (0-2), 7 p.m. — East Chapel Hill was considered the favorite to finish second in the PAC-6 4-A behind prohibitive conference favorite Hillside. But lopsided season opening losses to 3-A Northwood and 2-A Carrboro have been disappointing. Still, East does have talented sophomore quarterback Connor Stough and that should give the Wildcats the edge over struggling 3-A visitor Cedar Ridge.
— Southern (0-1) at South Brunswick (0-2), 7 p.m. — Southern might be the best 0-1 team in the state. The lone loss was Friday (29-24) against Hillside, the state's No. 11-ranked program, after the Spartans led twice, including early in the fourth quarter. South Brunswick — located in Boiling Spring Lakes near Southport — is coming off two lopsided losses (combined 71-0) and is unlikely to be able to contain Southern's premiere offensive weapons in quarterback Kendall Hinton, running backs William Cameron and Jordan Brown and receiver/returner Maurice Trowell.
— South Granville (1-1) at Oxford Webb (1-1), 7:30 p.m. — 2-A South Granville is the road favorite over 3-A Webb in this Granville County rivalry game. Sean Bowman is one of the most effective running backs in the area and the visiting Vikings who also have a veteran, seasoned quarterback in Matt McCutcheon. Webb had problem protecting quarterback Beau Smith or opening holes for back Tobiah Lewis in a 30-0 loss at 3-A Rocky Mount last week and had to come back in the second half of its opener to down 1-A Granville Central 29-14.
— Northwood (2-0) at Jordan-Matthews (2-0), 7:30 p.m. — 3-A Northwood has unveiled a new passing offense under first-year offensive coordinator Bill Renner and quarterback Ti Pinnix threw for 500 yards and five TDs in a rout of 3-A Southern Lee 56-31 last week. A week earlier the Chargers crushed 4-A East Chapel Hill 39-14. Running back Kadarus Rone is a top rushing/receiving threat and Jalen Smith an outstanding receiver for Northwood. Siler City's Jordan-Matthews is a 2-A program which hasn't played a good team yet but convicingly downed 2-A Providence Grove and 1-A Chatham Central by a combined 88-7.
— Roxboro Person (0-2) at Greensboro Dudley (2-0), 7:30 p.m. — Outside linebacker Chris Register (6-4, 220) of 4-A Dudley is one of the most highly-sought recruits in the country and has committed to Clemson. Dudley is ranked No. 21 in the state and will be a huge favorite over winless 4-A Person which has been outscored 70-19 in its two games against Orange and Danville (Va.) George Washington.
— Granville Central (1-1) at Northampton (2-0), 7:30 p.m. — Granville Central's trip to meet a fellow 1-A foe in Conway could be a fruitful one. Northampton County quarterback Keion Crossen is a run-first athlete for an offense that keeps the ball on the ground (42 rushes, seven passes in its opener). Bryce Parrott, who scored two touchdowns on offense and two more on defense last week, will cause problems for the Northampton defense.
— Kestrel Heights (0-1) at Chatham Central (0-2), 7 p.m. — The Bear Creek hosts haven't had much success to date (outscored 79-12 in two losses) but visiting Kestrel Heights hasn't had any success in years, most recently falling 55-0 to Walkertown. This is the second of 11 road games this year for the Hawks, who do not have a home game this season.


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I was in a discussion in another thread about open world PvP. As always, I am reminded how many of you have only been gaming since WoW. I know a lot of people don't like world PvP, but there's really no programming reason why we can't have the best of both worlds. In fact it's already been done in some games of the past.
I'm talking about an opt-in / flagging system for world PvP. It's actually painfully simple in concept and it drives me insane trying to understand why something like this is not used these days. Devs make all kinds of excuses up for lack of PvP, but their main excuse is that most players don't want to PvP. I think it's just lazy development or lack of imagination in a lot of cases. Star Wars Galaxies had what I consider a pretty much best of both worlds system.
In SWG you had a simple command to toggle yourself "on leave" or "active duty". On leave meant you were completely PvE, and no one could touch you anywhere. The exception to that was if you flagged yourself through attacking a faction NPC spawn (such as an imperial or rebel camp spawn), or in some versions of the game, if you pulled your light saber in public. Even then you could toggle on leave, and wait for the timer. This prevented griefing and other problems. Active duty is what it sounds like. You are flagged for World PvP, and can be engaged at any time by the enemy faction.
In practice, I loved this system. If there was a PvP fight going on in the city, I was free to join in, or go about my business. People who wanted to completely stay out of the fights could do so. I could join a battle in the war, or do other things.
When I look at struggling new games like The Secret World, where there are three factions that are supposedly "best buds" all of the sudden because they have to fight evil together, I just shake my head. This was the excuse Funcom gave for no faction v faction world PvP. I find it hard to believe that these factions which have been fighting each other for hundreds of years, just suddenly became brother and sisters in peace. Besides, there were quite a few people who wanted world PvP in the game, and it would add a whole new dimension to TSW that may attract new players. I know I would go back for it if done right.
That's just an example though, and the point is that you can have logic built into PvP so that those who are not interested could stay out of it. Even as PvE player, I would find it both fun and interesting to see other people battling it out in the streets. It would make these often dead and dry worlds feel much more alive and it would attract a wider player base.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
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Well, the Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend (for now) has plenty of precedent. You need look no further then WWII and the relationship between the Western Powers and the Soviet Union for that.
It's not that the powers become all "buddy, buddy", it's that they recognize that without some level of cooperation they are going to be destroyed. They do it out of neccesity, not desire. I don't play Secret World, but I think the way they have that dynamic setup between the factions is a very interesting aspect of the game.
In terms of "OPT-IN" Open World PvP....I think there are some problems in that regard... more so for sandbox style games. Mostly this would be in terms of actions that support combat efforts but aren't directly combat actions themselves.
For example is a millitary force supposed to simply let someone they KNOW is working for the enemy stroll all around thier base or stanging areas scouting out positions for the enemy simply because they have thier "flag off"? Even in the field, if you see someone that is freindly to the enemy, do you let them alone so they can provide combat intel about your forces and movements?
The other aspect is if the game includes any sort of economic/logistic aspects to warfare (as sandbox games often seek to incorporate). If someone is out gathering resources that you KNOW are going to be used to craft/construct weapons for the enemy...you just leave them alone because they are "unflagged" ?
By allowing the "OPT-IN" feature, you are taking very important elements out of warfare.
I'd vastly prefer systems where there were "free fire" and "non-agression" zones/area. This allows players to choose to engage or not based upon the territory they entered. Once you enter a "free fire" zone you are fair game regardless of whether you really want to fight or not. By contrast "non agression zones" you don't allow fighting no matter what your faction is.
This both gets around some of the problems with the "OPT-IN" model and is more realistic. There are plenty of situations where hostile factions can't engage each other in neutral territory (e.g. Switzerland) or are restricted to brushfire/proxy wars in remote territories because they don't want to risk escalation by direct attacks on each others homeland (US/Soviet situation during the Cold War). YMMV
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I'm more of a fan of the risk vs reward system. I'm a bit less of a fan of the "oh I know I can win this fight, time to flag, then hide while my timer disappears" system.
I think if you choose to travel into an area that's dangerous, you should expect some... danger?
I find it extremely irritating when a player can just wander around in complete protection despite being from a faction I'm at war with because... he didn't enter a slash command. That's just silly.
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Originally posted by MindTrigger
PVP flagging is great if there's a reason for it. AC and, as you mentioned, SWG offered it. However, the more meaningful the actions of the players and the resources of the game world in relation to PVP, the more PVP flagging works against it.
Although UO's solution was a duct tape solution, it's one of my favorite approaches - two facets of the game world so that you can use the same character on the same server for both open world PVP and consensual PVP environments. GW2 emulated that with the separate PvP area, while also addressing the issue of PvE vs PvP gear.
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You know what game hat absolute perfect Open World PVP?
Lineage II
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I've never thought that flagging is a good solution to open-world PvP. I've played several games that had it, and it almost universally led to hardly any open world PvP.
The only folks who would set their flag on, would basically be looking for a fight, which kind of defeats the purpose of open-world PvP. And then if you were crazy enough to walk around flagged, all it would take is for a few other opportunistic players to see you, turn their flag on, and kill you while you couldn't have done anything to them before they attacked.
Then there are "perma-flag" systems like EQ1 that were just epic fail. Reds (flagged) in EQ1 couldn't get healed by other players unless they were red, so grouping with them wasn't really possible. And I think I may have saw only like 2 red names during my entire playtime in EQ1.
IMO, a good way to do open world PvP would be where anyone could attack anyone, but there would be REALLY harsh penalties for "murderers." There would be factions you could join though that were "at war" so you could PvP without threat of being a murderer. The problem is that the devs always cowtow to the ganker whiners that want to be able to gank with miniscule penalties. In my mind, if you are a murderer in a game, perma-death should be on the table for you.
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Originally posted by GrumpyMel2
I'm 40 years old and I'm well schooled on world history. (I actually read and stuff)
These aren't governments in TSW. They are basically megalomaniacal cults. The point wasn't about the viability of working together, it was about how easy it would have been to allow PvP in a game like TSW, and originally I believe it was part of the design. It was changed very late in development.
I don't care about non-aggression zones because they segregate the population. The point of opt-in PvP is to put it out there for anyone to experience, even if they are just bystanders. I loved the battles that would happen in SWG cities, even when I was just watching. There were also times when I joined in a fight because someone asked me for help, or because seeing everyone else fighting gave me the itch. That wouldn't have happened much had the battles always been in some far away zone.
I understand your opinion, but I stil find opt-in to be the best of both worlds, while also inviting people who might otherwise only PvE to be a part of it all. Look how dead and boring London and Seoule are in TSW. It would have been a lot more fun to see fights on the streets, or out in the game world in my opinion. The same goes for a lot of other boring games out there.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Originally posted by Creslin321
SWG had PvP fights all the time, in the NPC cities, and the player-built cities when Galactic Civil War bases were introduced. Just depends on the game, I guess. There were also large groups of duelers that would hang out and fight. It made the cities more interesting, IMO.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
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Every single flagging system I've encountered has sucked. I agree with GrumpyMel2 zones would be a much more robust solution. Flagging systems are never simple, and will always be exploited.
But then again I think OWPvP is crap so what do I know...
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Originally posted by xDrac
Vanilla WoW.
Never PvPed so much in my life.
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pvp zones where exp rewards are higher then normal thus giveing reason for pvp and options to op out if you dont want to.
this would be my favorite type of solution.
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"Kill me, my man kills you, that's how you lose."
I never really considered myself to be real good at pvp.
In EQ yeah I won most GM pvp events. I won my servers self run ffa pvp event. But I was at the time the best monk on server and I had my team with me.
Every game after EQ I went PvP server.
WoW... I was amazing at pvp... I never had such an easier pvp experience. I could solo 2v2 to 2200+ by myself. I always made top % of team and it became very boring. This was the only game I felt I was better than everyone else... because simply put I was.
AoC- I was very good... the game was easy... open world pvp was a joke.
DF- I was ok but really I was no where near as skilled as many others.
MO- I always sucked really... I could win fights with groups that was about it, but I did start late and did not play long.
Rift- I sucked at first then I found the OP 2h skill tree and became amazing.
SWTOR- I was amazing... everyone else sucked.
Why do I get so bored with WoW clones? Because they are so easy... they are boring. I should not go into the game and easily out perform many others... when i go into a PvP game I am no where near the competition.
"I see they watchin' me and takin' notes on my moves, Run up on me it's all I want I ain't got nothin' to lose."
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I find it amusing that you sneer at people who "have only been gaming since WoW", and then go on to propose a system which is pretty much identical to how WoW's Normal servers work.
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Originally posted by GrumpyMel2
I agree totally with this ^^
The point of open world PvP is the whole meta game that ensues as a consequence. Opt-In flags effectively totally destroy this meta game.
When you sign into the game you are opting in. (excluding possible limited afety areas)
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The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!
i think players are going to have to adapt to world pvp at some point for content reasons.
my strategy would be to better incorperate it into the game through ingame mechanisms.
for instance if your a killer then your a killer. You look different, have many restrictions and get few if any protections from other players killing you. You do get more power to compensate for your disadvantages.
if your a hardcore carebear then your a carebear. You join the order of pacification and you get all kinds of tools to avoid the killers, but no tools to kill them. for instance one skill might be "Detect Evil".. you can detect them long before they get close to you, or "great divide" which makes you invisible to them and them invisible to you when activated, numerous inventory gold and item protections.
and of course if your a killer of killers, you join the order of hunters and you get tracking, some equipment protections (but not nearly as many as the carebear order), and other skills for tracking down and killing killers. You wouldnt have as many avoidance skills as the carebear order above.
and other organizations that offer different benifits in relation to open world pvp to suit everyones taste.
it can all be done in game, and additionally you can allow players to accept many different levels of risk according to their playstyle, but rather than keep them seperate, you integrate them in the same world and give them tools.
i dont think people would be nearly as averse to world pvp if they had the tools to defend themselves with on a level they are comfortable with.
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People do not have to adapt. Pve content could just improve.
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Open World PVP is a "inevitable" and mandatory feature in sandbox mmos, since these mmos try to simulate a "realistic" competion between humans for political/geopolitical domains, ownerships, resources and etc. Without OWPvP, that competion and its social consequences (necessity of in-game alliances, friendships, political intrigues, tactics for self-defense, etc) ceases to exist.
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The Sandbox Foundation does not exist!
Originally posted by Ausare
how so? Without a brain behind it, it will always be scripted.
i say make it really really hard to exist as a killer so theres not to many of them ( about 4%), make it so that the killers need to compete among themselves and give the best of them skills to initiate npc attacks on the 96%.
Free dynamic gameplay for everyone.
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Depends. Say you have a world with not but a starter town and a world filled with mobs. The characters then have to go out a clear areas to build. Towns have to be organized and defended from mob swarms that would try to reclaim areas. Pve...sandbox....player politics cause towns can decay without management.


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I'm not saying Jones was full of shit, but it seemed that general pronouns were the 'safe' way to talk,
plus he said he was a 'fan of that person', without really saying if he thought it was ok for a transgender man to fight women. He didn't really talk about the real issue of the controversy and it seemed more of a PR service
But unless Jones is talking about what he thinks of 'that person', he's just talking about what someone else said, which is kind of skirting around the issue,
to me
Yes it's a weird touchy subject I feel the commission should of explained better before the PERSON was allowed to fight women.
My take is if your not allowed to take roids why would you be allowed to take stuff to make women things appear and be allowed to fight.
Generally the problem isn't what the person did to there body but coming from a man and trying to fight women. Right or wrong thats how I see it
even if she did get a "doctor" to sign off on it doesnt make it okay in my book. There are so many doctors out there that do and say things that completely contradict what another doctor says.
In a situation like this Doctor 1 could say that Fox is a women and has done all of the things needed to be called a women.
Doctor 2 could say with all do respect to doctor 1, my personal findings say other wise and so on an s forth.
Im going to stick with what ive said from the begining; this is wrong and i dont support it one bit.
On a side note; im a jones fan but Mitrione is not a scumbag for the comments he made. He feels strongly on the situation and voiced it, all be it in a way the UFC didnt like. But one may also argue that a person who gets a DUI and crashes his car into a pole with 2 women who were not his wife/baby momma to be a scumbag as well. This is why Jones needs to keep quiet when asked about situations that dont involve him. Just say no comment and onto the next one.
Got a lot of soul searching to do. Sorry to everyone I've let down
What chick?I just feel like this chick is catching a lot of flack from people on this board.
Not only brazilians can do this stuff
Fox can live as a Woman, but has to take medications to be a woman, how is that different than unapproved TRT?
how many of us gave women fighters shit for testing positive for PEDs? Like Cyborg Santos?
I'm all for acceptance and equal opportunities, Women and LBGT individuals should be able to compete WITH Men, IMO, from racing to basketball, to baseball, if they can compete and out perform someone who tried out as well
But not combat sports (boxing, kickboxing, or MMA), or Hockey
From a guy with a DUI"I think he's terrible for that," Jones said. "It's ridiculous. I think Fallon Fox, that's a strong person. Despite what the person has been through in their life, that's a strong person. I'm a fan of that person because of what they've gone through and what they're willing to go through.
"People like Matt Mitrione are scumbags. He's a scumbag. I don't care if he's off suspension or doesn't fight again. He's a ridiculous person."
"He needs to shut his mouth," Jones said. "That's how I feel about that kid. He's scum
He is arrogant and needs to see the reak world
wake up u broke the law....he did not
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You said everything here.
You were training at a place whose techniques you question (because of ideology-effectiveness- and aliveness in training).
You experienced a wake up call-
Problem is- you'e still training at the same place.
Go to an ACTUAL 'self defense' school- somewhere that involves modern striking and grappling- with a Dog Brothers' philosophy on weapon combat.
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I am trying to keep an open mind about MMA for SD. I guess I default to MMA=BJJ and I don't want to go the ground because I disagree with many on this site that all SD attacks and street fights go to the ground. That has not been my experience personally and you can watch many a YT fight where I see nothing more than a sloppy haymaker shot and then a clinch.........the clinch occurs because of sloppy technique IMO, maybe I am wrong?
I talked to my brother about this question, he used to bounce, train in MMA and boxing years ago and he thinks fight do go to the ground often. Even if they do I have a bad back and don't think I can roll BJJ with you guys. The Dog Bros, I used to live in OC, CA when they just got started. I wished I would have watched their park fights live. Those dudes are crazy and I have much respect for anyone that will fight with a bastone full blast with almost no protection.
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Personally- I disagree with the assertion of "not all fights go to the ground= bjj not as effective" Also- look into Paul Vunaks biting/eye gouging stuff- it becomes FAR more effective when ADDED to knowledge of grappling/positioning.
Now- if you feel that learning ground-fighting is 'not SD' because going to ground is not the best choice- learn Dog Brothers perspective on martial arts.
They are ALL about dropping BS flow-y disarm techniques- and learning how to train systems that work.
From what you said to your instructor- it seems like "Die Less Often"- by Dog Brothers would be something you would like.
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Feedback? He told you to use silat, in a silat class during silat training. You just admitted you were doing something else. No, asking for feedback is not the same as saying "I don't believe you are teaching me correctly for a self defense situation."
This change in tactics came about from participating in a martial arts events with people that had 30 years MA exp on me and it was do what you have to survive in a slow simulated event. I found that I was was out techniqued and experienced so I went to dirty fighting and the organizer was saying " this is your life do whatever you have to survive". He said he was pleased to see I was not afraid to get dirty. What's funny is the organizer is good friend with my instructor.
I guess part of the challenge I am having is being so new, 3 months, that I am on info overload and a number of things we do don't make sense. I get a lot of information and it conflicts with one another so I am confused. I am very objective in life and so I tend to question a lot, because there are a lot of fakes and BS out there in life.
You are wrong Johnny Cage, he didn't experience a wake up call. He is still talking about training bullshido he likes in a fashion HE likes.
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I personally think the whole, "I don't care if I go to Jail because I'm defending my family" thing is a copout. If you can't defend yourself without also knowing the consequences of what you are doing, while you are doing it, then you need more training. Otherwise, you are just the average person on the street, flailing around and you don't need any training to do that.
All that aside, it sounds to me like you don't agree, on a bunch of different levels, with what your teacher is teaching. That happens all the time. It should be shortly followed with you leaving the school. End of story. Don't waiste his or your time. Not everyone is there to learn to fight. Some people want the fitness, social, or historical aspect of the art. It is what it is.Combatives training log.
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I am surprised at bit by some of these responses considering this is Bullshido.
I said well this is about self defense I agree that closest weapon closet target makes sense so that's why I went for the simulated ear slap and it would be effective, from what I have been told. I said yeah but that assumes I can pull off those 4 moves to my 1, ear slap.
He says well you need to be concerned about what the camera sees.
I said with all due respect what I need to be concerned about is the immediate threat and that is the guy attacking me. I will worry about the lawsuit and jail time later which wouldn't be a problem because he attacked me.
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I agree with you.
By 'wake up call' I didn't mean he ACTUALLY saw truth- I just meant what diesel TKE said- that if he is a white-belt trying to call bullshit on his instructor- (because of 1 seminar) than he has already given himself enough reason to NOT waste his- or the teachers time staying there.
I was trying to point out that- if he thinks his moves are deadly enough that he can criticize what the instructor is teaching- he should either go to a place that ACTUALLY teaches/focuses on what he is talking about/interested in.
OR- STFU and learn.
Just because- there is NO benefit to chirping up with 'eye gouge!' and staying at the current place where he disrespects.
So i'd say either join up with other MABS people and larp it up- OR check out Dog Brothers/ Paul Vunak to learn things SIMILAR to what you are talking about/interested in- but grounded in an alive realistic system.
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"It was very difficult for visitors to understand what happened, or how the yards were laid out, or anything much at all about the lives of the women and children incarcerated here."
"Now visitors can see, via the landscaping elements which show the various structures, locations and boundaries, where there were buildings and what those buildings were used for."
"There are also pathways shown, which would have been the well-trodden pathways that women would have taken as they moved around within the prison walls each day, so it really does offer visitors a strong sense of the lives of the convict women who were here in the middle years of the nineteenth century."
Interpretation elements, including a solitary cell, light boxes offering views of long-vanished buildings and illustrated signage, offer insights into the uses the Site has been put to during and after its years as a women's prison.
"Before the female factory, there was a distillery on the site, and one of those circles that history tends to take, in more recent years, Yard One was home to a wine merchant," said Dr Steele.
The improvements will be followed by the introduction of a small fee to visit the site from 1 October. The introduction of the fee follows consultation with volunteers and the local community.
"Funds raised through the $5.00 fee will contribute to the on-going conservation and improvement of the visitor experience at the Site,", said PAHSMA Chair, Professor Sharon Sullivan.
"We also need to protect the substantial investment that has been made in these improvements, as well as the heritage fabric of the Site."
Local South Hobart residents will continue to receive free entry to the historic site, and holders of Port Arthur Historic Site Ticket of Leave passes will also have free entry to the site, paying only for tours.
The Cascades Female Factory opened in 1828 and operated as a prison and place of punishment for re-offending female convicts, a female labour hiring depot, a hospital, a nursery, a place for pregnant convicts and a workplace.
As one of the only places of early female imprisonment with remains intact, it is one of the most significant sites of convict heritage in the world.
The Cascades Female Factory is one of eleven sites that form the Australian Convict Sites World Heritage property.
More more information visit www.femalefactory.org.au
State MP Rebecca White speaking at the launch
The chill winds blowing off Mount Wellington were a reminder to guests of the hardships faced by women in the prison
Senator Carol Brown speaking at the launch
Long time Female Factory champion Shirley McCarron, front centre, and other guests at the launch
PAHSMA Chair, Professor Sharon Sullivan with project manager Dr Jody Steele
MP Rebecca White takes a look through the peephole occupying a place where there was once a door to another yard.
The historic peep-hole view into Yard 2, now vanished under modern development
The christian names of women incarcerated at the Female Factory have been incorporated into the design.
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