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The FOCA Phantom: What will pro-lifers do without it?
David Gibson November 25, 2008 - 10:00am
The focus of much of the Catholic right's doomsday prophesying about Barack Obama, a.k.a. the anti-Christ (see Stafford, Cardinal Francis, et al) has been about the inevitability of Obama signing the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA), which would enshrine Roe into federal law and make abortion-on-demand part of a mandatedkindergarten curriculum and push the Catholic Church back into the catacombs and lead to violence against bishops, who have said they will happily be martyrs for this cause, and gosh, all sorts ofthings unheard of since the days before Constantine. (George Weigel had the latest from Babylon here.)Lost in all this prophesying is any recognition that the people who would need to pass FOCA think it's a bad idea and that it'd never pass, much less get to President Obama's desk. NCR's new publisher, Joe Feuerhard, has a solid take on the politics involved here, including the apt observation that Obama's 2007 pledge to Planned Parenthood to sign FOCA was political "pandering." Joe's bottom line: "FOCA has as much chance of passage as the 0-10 Detroit Lions have of winning the next Super Bowl." (Ouch.)So why the focus on FOCA by Catholic conservatives? I'd say a couple of things: One, the election was a resounding defeat for their camp, and exposed division in the church and within the pro-life movement. While they retrench, they need to keep the focus on an enemy, and FOCA serves that purpose. The pro-life movement has largely been an opposition movement, and that dynamic is hard to change, and it could hurt fundraising at a bad time for all fundraisers. Two, the conservatives can also claim "credit" for defeating FOCA when it does not become law.The problem of course is that this straw men and red herrings divert us all from the hard work to be done on this issue, both within the church and in the public square. Opposition to FOCA should be part of that, to keep the pressure on and pols honest. But using a phantom FOCA as a single-issue means of demonizing one's political opponents does no good to one's cause, or the wider society.
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Todd--My apologies for my "patronizing and unnecessary" remark. I violated my own rule of allowing some time to pass before responding to something that gets me fired up. I'm usually very even-tempered, like our president-elect. In fact, it's a quality I admire in him and will seek to emulate.I think you and I still have our disagreements, but I've noticed we share some common ground as signatories to the Vox Nova open letter. (I noticed David Nickol is also a signatory.) I'm all for finding common ground. It doesn't mean that paths won't eventually diverge on some issues, but the good will and cordiality developed in finding common ground would hopefully carry over when differences are discussed.
But John McG, for some, criticizing divisive rhetoric and empty politicking, and calling for more productive dialogue and activism, is a form of advocating for the unborn.
Let me re-focus -- I am not in a position to judge individual's commitment to the unborn, nor is it my place to do so. For all I know, everyone I criticize may spend every spare moment volunteering at crisis pregnancy centers and have adopted multiple children, and donate large sums to crisis nurseries. I regret if my comments have taken the direction of character evaluation.What I do challenge is whether taking shots at the pro-life movement and conservative bishops is the best use of these writers' talents and forum, given the current political and cultural state. It strikes me as perverse that faced with a legislation backed by the president elect that would, among other things, require Catholic hospitals to perform abortions, a Catholic commentator would criticize the pro-life movement for mobilizing to oppose it.I understand that commentators will tend to focus on matters that are controversial, but what would a reader conclude was most important to these commentators based on their writings here?
This will sound like "concern trolling," but...I suppose it's possible that some commentators have a unique charism to only confront nasty rhetoric and conterproductive political tactics (just as it's possible that others' charism is just to hold bishops accountable for being insufficiently strict with pro-choice politicians)Nevertheless, I have to suspect that such criticism would have much more traction if it was perceived as coming from an insider rather than an outsider, and that is where the occasional straightforward post criticizing some aspect of the current culture would be helpful.Do I expect them to campaign for GOP candidates? No. But maybe just highlight a worthy pro-life charity without a snide comment about how *real* pro-lifers ought to support it.
The attitude of People say Im not pro-life enough so I may as well join NARAL is childish from someone who claims to be concerned about the unborn. And other than the comment I apologize for above, I stand by everything Ive written.John McG,But that's not what I said. Let me take your paraphrase and turn it into what I meant, since what I meant wasn't all that clear. Instead of saying, "People say Im not pro-life enough so I may as well join NARAL, I would say, "People say I am not pro-life enough, and even though I am much closer to the pro-life side than I am to NARAL, which I have no intention of joining, they would lump me in with NARAL supporters. You are either with them 100 percent, or you are against them."
John, I still feel like the response to your argument is inherent in your argument. "Given the current political and cultural state," I (and probably some of my colleagues) think it's crucial that there be some voices from within the Catholic community looking critically at what sort of tactics further the prolife cause and what tactics may actually do it harm. "What would a reader conclude was most important to these commentators based on their writings here?" That may depend on the reader's preconceptions. I assume most people who post about abortion here are hoping to see the Catholic message of the dignity of life fall on receptive ears and effect lasting change. You are right, though, that highlighting worthy prolife charities (for example) is something we could do more of here. I'm not sure it should be necessary to establish anyone's credentials, but it could still be done for its own sake.
"NCRs new publisher, Joe Feuerhard, has a solid take on the politics involved here, including the apt observation that Obamas 2007 pledge to Planned Parenthood to sign FOCA was political pandering. "I found Mr. Feuerhard's analysis lacking. Has anyone does a serious study of who in the Democratic caucus on the House and Senate Judiciary Committees would not vote it out of committee? And who in the caucus would not vote for cloture after that? My broader question is people keep saying this is a straw man and some sort of controversial bill but I just don't see it being controversial among the Democratic caucus. Has anyone given names of Democratic legislators who are openly opposed to it or who based on previous votes on these matters would vote against it? The sponsor of the bill, Senator Boxer, is the Chief Deputy Whip for goodness sake and one of the most powerful members of the caucus - I feel that the followers of the President Elect are too quick to dismiss this as some sort of red herring when, for example, Ellen Moran, executive director of EMILY's List was just named the White House Communications Director.And the "political pandering" comments here above are quite frankly frightening. If this is true, I don't see any rational basis to believe the President Elect has any intention of finding common ground with the pro-life movement or reducing the number of abortions globally as David N. and others have suggested - seems like he was just pandering to a segment of the pro-life movement who otherwise share his worldview, to placate their misgivings over abortion to win their votes.
"Where are the numbers? Whats the plan? I keep asking but find no response or answers. That is unfortunate, for everyone."That David Gibson keeps asking for this info and gets no response but spin speaks volumes.
Where's yout plan, Bill? Where's David's plan? All I'm seeing is potshots at their borther and sisters (and spirutual fathers) who are trying to do God's work.
John McG, I think we are talking past each other, or just don't see eye to eye. Perhaps there will be concrete developments in the future to clarify matters, hopefully for the best for all concerned. Peace.
That last one was a little harsh; I apologize.Mr. Gibson hints at a fairly serious charge -- that pro-lifers, in particular politically minded ones -- are all talk, aren't willing to help women in crisis pregnancies, an aren't willing to support children when they are born.This is a much more serious slander than anything said here about President Elect Obama.Yet, the conservative pro-lifers are the ones called mean,uncivil, etc.--And if "moderat voices," are being shouted down, who is at fault? Didn't Gibson himself link to a story last week about the South Carolina priest who wanted to deny communion to Obama voters? Why was this newsworthy? Why not highlight more moderate voices?
Is there any hard data on the efforts of pro-lifers? Or are we simply relying on Amy Welborn's assertions?
One tactic of activists everywhere is to claim the sky is about to fall. That's so for activists on both sides in the abortion debate - not only the bishops.FOCA picked up steam after the Supreme Court ruled last year in Gonzalez v. Planned Parenthood that the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 was constitutional. Planned Parenthood has ever since used the ruling to rally its own supporters, claiming that the court approved a "federal abortion ban" that contravenes Roe v. Wade.I don't think Planned Parenthood will get what it wants on this, but it is a lobbyist to be reckoned with in a Democrat-controlled Washington. I can see where anti-abortion forces would want to respond, given the election of a president who supports FOCA.The further various bishops immerse themselves in politics, though, the worse they seem to be at it. The angriest and, in some cases, least politically sophisticated voices have been taking the lead. Unless they come up with a better strategy than the one they are using now, they will damage their cause.
Let me note, if I may, that not only the educated 'laity' has arrived but a people who insist that our spiritual leaders be responsible. This is a very hopeful time for the church. Hopefully this denotes the end of sacralization.
I am not sure how pro-life pregnancy center stats are related to the topic of this post except that DavidG's initial mockery of pro-lifers was smacked down so he felt the need to change the subject. There is a not-so-subtle illogical assumption above, not uncommon here, that "if you can't give me the exact calculated quantification I demand immediately, then whatyou are saying is nonexistent. Nevertheless, crisis pregnancy centers are the most widespread effort in the pro-life movement and they have been for decades. Pro-life people are overwhelmingly putting their money where their mouths are in terms of what people here like to call abortion reduction, by which they mean unspecified government funding for pregnant women, but by which pro-lifers privately fund pregnant women, and this enterprise is precisely what Obama and his abortionist controllers want to outlaw. So it is no surprise that the Obama campaigners here wish to deny the existence of pro-life care for pregnant women, because if it doesn't exist, it isn't their fault for helping outlaw it, and for the increase of abortions.Let's approach this from the sources that bloggers here trust. Go to the websites of the Feminist Majority Foundation, NARAL, PLanned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation, the Center for Reproductive Rights, and all those whose agenda Obama promises to unswervingly support and fund. There you will find an extensive campaign against "anti-choice deceptive fake clinics" and the like, highlighting how broad and wide and well organized and funded these evil efforts are and how they must be exposed and outlawed. Further research will reveal extensive hit pieces and investigations, even involving pro-abortion elected officials (Democrats) on various states and even right there in New York trying to run these numerous facilities out of business. Of course it is somewhat curious that this campaign should exist to stop a non-existent, ineffective phenomenon as the pro-life pregnancy center. Or perhaps you can look from another perspective. Each pro-life pregnancy center chain (such as CareNet and Heartbeat) has its own statistics on the number of centers, and those centers' budgets. There are also independent centers. There are also diocesean Gabriel projects. There are also specific ministries in dioceses--some have a diocese wide policy for Catholic hospitals to treat women in crisis pregnancies for free. Some states fund crisis pregnancy centers (though federal funding will end under Obama). Suffice it to say there are about three or four times as many pro-life centers as there are abortion facilities in the US. There are maybe around 700 of the latter, and a quick google search gives you the opportunity to find the closest one to you among thousands. These centers are lay run and they are ecumenical. Of course there is no specific calculation of the amount of money and time that Catholics in particular have given to these centers, but if you actually spend time to talk to or get to know anyone in the pregnancy center movement, you will discover that Catholic lay people and money and diocesean support are a tremendous support behind them. Why don't you call CareNet or do some digging yourself, or take a trip to your local CPC and talk to them before you come on here to suggest they dont exist? But what am I talking about--pro-life pregnancy centers are really a phantom. The real way to reduce abortions is to outlaw imaginary movements.Which brings us back to FOCA. What else will Obama do DavidG? Well I've only listed it for you several dozen times. But since the project here was to deny that Obama means anything other than keeping Roe in place, it is no wonder that you contend there is nothing to fear except less funding for Planned Parenthood, and that Kmiec and his court continue to call it false that Obama has a pro-abortion agenda. But, let's try one more time shall we? Anti-Hyde amendment, forcing taxpayer funding of abortions. Free abortions in universal health care. International abortion funding without the Mexico City policy. Embryo killing well beyond what McCain supported. Expanded funding for the largest abortionist business in the country, Planned Parenthood. Elimination of funding for pro-life pregnancy centers, and helping pro-abortion groups outlaw them in the states and even under some federal measures. Elimination of conscience protections. Expansion of abortion-by-drug RU-486 and the like. Pro-aborts at every agency dealing with health and abortion. Court of Appeals judges to strike down state restrictions on abortion that actually reduce abortion numbers--and don't forget keeping or expanding Roe for another 20 years by supreme court appoinments. The list goes on.As for the NCR's "solid take" on the politics of this matter, too bad Feuerhard didn't actually tell us anything, like which senators or representatives will vote against FOCA. The dems have a near fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate and there are several pro-abort republicans. In the house they have well over a majority. Tell me which Democrats in the senate will vote against cloture. Just name them, and make sure you name enough to make up for the pro-abortion republicans. Feuerhard gave us several mere assertions and witticisms, and no factual political analysis of numbers whatsoever--because the real issue is, which Democrats will defect, and he named no one. The only "fanciful" notion is that there is no threat of it getting through both houses with these overwhelming majorities.
clarification: paragraph 4 should end saying that there are about 700 abortion facilities, but web searches showing thousands of pro-life pregnancy centers
more ghost sightings:http://www.heartbeatinternational.org/about_us.htmhttp://www.time.com/ti... to see here. please move along.
Okay, no survey. I'm surprised that Pew or CARA or some sociologist of religion hasn't done one. It seems to me that the data would be interesting.
Matt Bowman of the Alliance Defense Fund writes:"...So it is no surprise that the Obama campaigners here wish to deny the existence of pro-life care for pregnant women...""...Lets approach this from the sources that bloggers here trust. Go to the websites of the Feminist Majority Foundation, NARAL, PLanned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation, the Center for Reproductive Rights, and all those whose agenda Obama promises to unswervingly support and fund...""... Well Ive only listed it for you several dozen times. But since the project here was to deny that Obama means anything other than keeping Roe in place, it is no wonder that you contend there is nothing to fear except less funding for Planned Parenthood, and that Kmiec and his court continue to call it false that Obama has a pro-abortion agenda..."Enough. You called Cathleen Kaveny, Doug Kmiec, and others liars in your last appearance on this blog, which probably should have been your last appearance on this blog. Consider this a final warning, Matt. If you care to participate in this space, you need to do so in good faith, not assuming the worst of your interlocutors at every turn. It is clear to me that you want to believe that the bloggers here and many of the site's readers are essentially in the tank for the prochoice lobby. That is an absurd assumption--and it's a tell. You know nothing about Commonweal. You've done your homework on the abortion issue. Now do some on the magazine whose blog hosts your regular attacks.
Grant you have never responded substantively to my arguments--and they have always been arguments with reasons, not flames, capable of response--instead you and other similar messages simply tell be to be quiet. It's more evidence of what you call absurd. John McG, above, demonstrated well the consistent drumbeat here, given the fact that every single abortion post of theirs in the past few months has been against pro-life efforts or persons and in defense of Obama and pro-abortion politicians and thier agenda (calling it pro-life), and on this thread alone Prof. Kaveny and DavidG confirmed his view by "absurdly" concluding that there is no evidence that pro-life people give extensive concrete help to women--only the mere assertion of Amy Welborn, even in the face of extensive documentation. Observers can make up their own minds about whether there is a consistent abortion-facilitating slant here. But when Obama shortly begins implementing his full-scale abortion expansion measures, people won't have to rely on any commenter's interpretation. We will all see whether the authors systematically fight his actions, or defend them and diminish their impact and attack his opponents, or ignore what they can't recharacterize. It will start with the federal money flooding to international abortionists on January 21 (or he'll do it on the 22nd, which is much more tasteful). Google within commonwealmagazine.org for "Mexico City" and tell me how many times the authors here have opposed or even mentioned negatively that Obama will revoke this policy--I find zero--and how many times in fact what you find is pro-life commenters who try to point out this policy among many in response to a blog post that itself calls Obama pro-life and ridicules pro-life opponents of Obama and ignores his abortion expansion agenda. And then compare that to what the authors produce in the next six months, and at the end of it all ask what is an absurd conclusion about their perspective.
Wow. I'm somewhat new to this blog, so may be this is unusual. But do the editors always threaten posters who rebut the arguments/presumptions of other editors and then support their refutation with previously requested data?
ETH--better be careful!
and on this thread alone Prof. Kaveny and DavidG confirmed his view by absurdly concluding that there is no evidence that pro-life people give extensive concrete help to womenonly the mere assertion of Amy Welborn, even in the face of extensive documentation.Matt,Kathleen said, "Is there any hard data on the efforts of pro-lifers? Or are we simply relying on Amy Welborns assertions?" She then said, "Okay, no survey. Im surprised that Pew or CARA or some sociologist of religion hasnt done one. It seems to me that the data would be interesting."It is a very strange reading of her two posts to accuse her of saying there was "no evidence." She's looking for data, surveys, sociological studies. One major question would be if the people intensely involved in the politics of trying to overturn Roe v Wade are also involved in doing the kind of work Amy Welborn described. Or are there two fairly separate groups -- the politically involved and the volunteers who work in places like crisis pregnancy centers. One of the big questions in my mind, which I have written about quite a bit, is why those fighting the legal battle against Roe v Wade are not also fighting a legal battle for government to alleviate poverty and try to help women prevent unwanted pregnancies or deal with them once they are pregnant. The Church says it is the role of government and law to prohibit abortion and to reform society so that every child can be truly welcomed in the world and every woman has a concrete, honorable, and possible alternative to abortion. I commend people who work toward that end, and of course every volunteer and nonprofit group who does that work is welcome. But the Church says it is also the role of government. My question, as always, is who in the pro-life movement is calling for the government to play the role the Church says it must in the Declaration on Procured Abortion?
ETH: Is it a "threat" to ask someone to "participate in good faith"? What exactly is Matt Bowman being threatened with -- aside from not being allowed to play in this sandbox if he can't follow the playground rules? Dissenting opinions from all corners are welcome here; and you'll find them in pretty much every comment thread. Bad manners are not welcome. Is it shocking that dotCommonweal should draw the line at hosting repetitive attacks on the supposed bad morals and dark ulterior motives of its own contributors? In essence, what we expect -- and I don't think this is asking a lot -- is that before a commenter takes up the theme of "This is so typical of Commonweal," they actually be familiar with Commonweal. And I think that's a reasonable baseline rule for Commonweal's blog.
Matt,The Time Magazinearticle you provided a link to is very balanced, but it does raise some disturbing issues about crisis pregnancy centers.
ETH--I think that's a "Yes".
There's no point or profit for anyone in responding to some of the ignominious commentary above, and we can't assume that commenters here are representative of the "pro-life" lobby (I use scare quotes to designate those involved in the political process, which is not always synonymous with the social, cultural, and religious process). Or that folks checking in here would have access to perfect knowledge of the field. Still, I was genuinely hoping for more hard information and thought-provoking ideas as to where to go now from the abortion lobby. The reason I asked about concrete program and projects and stats related to the church's work to support pregnant mothers and reduce abortion is that there was no response to the political challenge presented by the GOP's loss. This was not moving goalposts, just an effort to try to focus the debate on rational, civil conversation about specific actions that the church could take--the second front of "abortion reduction" that Cardinal Rigali et al say is the flip side of the legal front. That there is no answer to those questions here does not mean that they don't exist, but that there cannot be reasoned discussion about current projects/programs/plans or debate about what is the best course does not bode well for the pro-life movement, it seems to me.
"there is no answer to those questions" about what specific actions the prolife movement is taking to reduce abortion. we're merely relying on Amy Welborn's assertionsthere is no pro-life pregnancy center movement that Obama's handlers plan to make illegalthere is no spoon
Admittedly, I don't know the history of commenter Matt Bowman and dotCommonweal. Hence my question and stating that I was new to this blog.Mollie Wilson O'Reilly: Are you saying that I'm "tak[ing] up the theme of 'This is so typical of Commonweal'" before actually being familiar with the blog or that Matt Bowman is taking (and has taken) up said theme without being familiar with the blog? The latter seems unlikely since he appears to be familiar with the blog and vis-versa. So if you're suggesting the former, all I can say is I didn't even know there was any such a theme--although I'm beginning to suspect why such sentiments would develop. You have my word that I'm reading this blog for the commentary, not to bring it down from within as some saboteur from First Things. Also, yes, it is a "threat"--albeit a very minor and reasonable one--to effectively say, "act politely and in good faith or you'll get banned from this blog."
ETH: No, I don't mean to accuse you of taking up any theme. But that's what Grant called Matt B. out for doing (above), and not for the first time. It's not just that he's misrepresenting dotCommonweal, the blog (with which he is certainly familiar), but that he's ignoring, or ignorant of, the context provided by Commonweal, the magazine that hosts this blog. As for "threat," I guess you're right. I think "warning" is more apt, but maybe that's just because what's being threatened does seem so minor and reasonable.Welcome, by the way, and I hope you'll keep on reading. We're honestly not entertaining conspiracy theories or concerns about sabotage. Just trying to keep things reasonably polite.
BTW, not that I can salvage this thread from a death spiral, but there are two considerations on this issue that seem relevant:ONE: There is an argument to be made for continuing the focus on overturning Roe given that despite Obama's victory, there is a good chance that he'll get to name just one or at most two (Stevens and maybe Ginsburg--God forbid this should lead to anything!) justices, and in effect just replace a reliably pro-Roe vote. It would really not change the court's composition. Then the anti-Roe folks could hold out for a GOP victory in 2012. Problems with this: The actuarial tables may not help a future Republican either, as he'd have to be in at least two terms to start to make a difference. And of course there's an argument to be made that even GOP justices will not overturn Roe. And of course, what would overturning Roe do, etc. It would also put anti-Roe forces in the position of working against the success of an Obama presidency at a time when the country is on the brink of catastrophe and needs a successful term, or two. TWO: The other factor is whether the pro-lifers will still have a reliable party patron in 2012. The current debates among conservatives and within the GOP referenced in posts above by Peter Nixon indicate the depth of the divisions and the height of the stakes. If the GOP starts to soften its anti-Roe position or rhetoric to garner votes, what then?Just food for hopefully some concrete discussion.
ETH,It's been my experience that unmoderated forums on the Internet tend to deteriorate and die. If moderators are to keep dotCommonweal alive and well, they have to be granted some leeway in keeping order, even if there is not unanimous agreement about what they do every time they step in. Having posted comments here for well over a year, I can say that intervention by the contributors is rare, and they are very patient people.We are guests here, and it seems to me guests owe their hosts a certain amount of respect and deference. It's one thing to disagree on specific issues, even repeatedly and consistently, with the official contributors and the people who comment. That keeps things interesting. It is another thing to criticize dotCommonweal itself and all of its contributors and most of its commenters. If you believe a forum is that hostile to you and your beliefs, then maybe it's the wrong forum for you.
If one is curious about the "concrete program[s] and projects and stats related to the churchs work," why not try to get involved with the local pro-life movement and find out for oneself? There probably any number of activities at one's local parish, as well as pro-life events or charities sponsored by other churches or by no particular church at all. Then one might have a better feel for what is, and what is not, being accomplished.
There is an argument to be made for continuing the focus on overturning Roe . . . .David G,What always comes to mind when I think of overturning Roe is this: Can anybody point to another country where opinion was as divided as it is in the United States where abortion law went from less restrictive to more restrictive? I have not done a comprehensive survey, but I think Poland is one of the rare cases where abortion restrictions have been very substantially increased. The trend in democracies tends to be to lessen restrictions rather than to increase them. That doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't or can't happen in the United States. But as far as I can tell, it would be highly atypical.
I just wanted to second Matt Bowman (and myself I guess from yesterday) - this post is titled the FOCA "Phantom" and I have still yet to see who in the supermajority Democratic caucus would vote against a bill sponsored by their own Chief Deputy Whip, Senator Boxer.
I just wanted to second Matt Bowman (and myself I guess from yesterday) - this post is titled the FOCA Phantom and I have still yet to see who in the supermajority Democratic caucus would vote against a bill sponsored by their own Chief Deputy Whip, Senator Boxer.MAT,How many Democratic politicians do you think there are who would want to go on record now opposing (or even supporting) a controversial bill that is not even under consideration? That's not the way politicians work. Did Obama even say anything about FOCA aside from his remark to Planned Parenthood? Has Nancy Pelosi said it is on the legislative agenda? She was very clear about stem-cell research being a priority, but she has said nothing about FOCA. Here is the take of someone named Kurt on Vox Nova who clearly knows what he is talking about:
After the S.C. upheld the Partial Birth Abortion ban, the abortion rights lobby threw this bill in the hopper to make a statement that it should not be assumed that if Roe is overturned, they do not have the political muscle to keep abortion legal.The bill remained a rhetorial vehicle, not a serious piece of legislation. Pro-Life activists certainly cannot be faulted for using it to whip up their troops as well.But if we are looking for common ground rather than polarization, the time for whipping up should take a back seat to dialgoue.I cant find a soul on Capitol Hill that expects a hearing, let alone even a subcommittee vote on this measure.
Can anybody prove right now that FOCA won't be taken up in the future? No. But there is no sign of it happening at the moment. As I mentioned, it's an absolute fact that the Pelosi and Obama are going to take quick action on stem-cell research, but the outcry at the moment from the pro-life movement is totally focused on abortion. Why is that?
At the risk of contributing to this thread's "death spiral," I'll take a stab at why Roe should be reversed in and of itself: It contains very bad constitutional analysis. (And I say this not as some whacked-out hardcore conservative, but as a whacked-out hardcore liberal.) Roe was judicial overreaching of the worst sort. Some of the staunchest pro-choice legal scholars agree:http://americasfuture.org/doublethink/2005/11/roe-was-wrong/For example, Harvard Law School Professor Laurence Tribe, whose pro-choice bona fides are unimpeachable, had this to say about the Roe decision: One of the most curious things about Roe is that, behind its own verbal smokescreen, the substantive judgment on which it rests is nowhere to be found."IMO, there are two reasons, premised solely on constitutional law and the legal system itself, why Roe should be reversed:1. Judicial overreaching of the sort present in Roe undermines respect for the Constitution, perhaps the most important symbol of justice and fairness we have in the U.S.2. Judicial overreaching of the sort present in Roe undermines the integrity of the judicial process and the men and women charged decision making power in the judicial system.As to abortion specifically, the Roe decision truncated a national public debate about abortion that would have resulted in legislative efforts to resolve the problem. Whether those efforts would have been successful is not as important as the fact that the issue should have been addressed in the first instance by our elected officials.
"How many Democratic politicians do you think there are who would want to go on record now opposing (or even supporting) a controversial bill that is not even under consideration?"I know of at least 19 Senators who are on record in the 110th Congress, 1st Session, supporting it. Senator Obama himself became the 19th co-sponsor of the bill about 16 months ago, on May 11, 2007, so I'll take him out of the mix (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN01173:@@@P). On the House side, I can name 110 representatives, also in the 110th, 1st Session, in support, whose names can be found here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR01964:@@@P
William,I wonder, though, if most of the constitutional scholars like Tribe who believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided believe it should be overturned. It was, after all, decided 7-2 more than 35 years ago and has other cases resting on it as a precedent. Recently we have had a lot of 5-4 decisions (for example, District of Columbia v. Heller, the recent Second Amendment case) that people thought were wrongly decided, and I don't think many people are suggesting that if Obama tips the Supreme Court the other way, they should all be overturned. What is the benefit to the country as a whole to overturn Roe v Wade? I understand why the pro-life side wants it overturned, of course, but what would the result be?
I know of at least 19 Senators who are on record in the 110th Congress, 1st Session, supporting it. . . . .MAT,An absolutely devastating response, I have to admit.
David N: Was the sarcasm really necessary? If you do not want to have a good-faith discussion about the legislative outlook for FOCA, just say so instead of insulting me. Anyway, my point is, I have yet to see anyone, wether in this thread, the Commonweal editorial, or Ms. Hennebergers Slate.com essay where someone has named one single person in the entire Democratic caucus, in either the House or Senate, who would vote against FOCA despite over 130 who are co-sponsors alone, including the President Elect himself, who became a co-sponsor of this allegedly red-herring bill 16 months ago. People who are calling FOCA a legislative impossibility have the burden of proof on them to show why a political party who has absolute control over the Legislative and Executive branches of government would not try to pass a law they themselves introduced as recently as 18 months ago and which would be extremely popular with their supporters and for an industry which is a key donor and constituent of their party. I'm a Stoic, so I can care less if FOCA passes or not, it is beyond the control of my will, although I would prefer it did not. I just think mocking the pro-life people who are frightened by it because it is some sort of straw man has non rational basis to it whatsoever until someone can provide evidence that it either (a) does not have the votes or (b) it is somehow, against all logic, contrary to the majority party's interests to pass a law that is overwhelmingly popular among their grass-roots supporters and an extremely powerful and wealthy industry lobby.
David N: Was the sarcasm really necessary? If you do not want to have a good-faith discussion about the legislative outlook for FOCA, just say so instead of insulting me.MAT,It wasn't sarcasm! I said nobody would go on record supporting a bill that wasn't under consideration. I said that's not how politics works. You pointed out 19 senators and 110 congressmen who are, in effect, on record supporting the bill. I still don't think FOCA will go anywhere at all, but I was acknowledging you had completely knocked down what I had said in that particular comment.
"It wasnt sarcasm! "Sorry. Things got a little heated above and I jumped to conclusions. Ultimately what I am saying is that while I understand you and many others, as the name of this thread implies, don't think it is going anywhere, there are people of good will who do not have any good, hard evidence to believe that. Given that, isn't the best dialog we can have on FOCA, rather than just dismiss it as a straw man, to discuss how it may actually look if it were to get to the President's desk or even if passed in current form, what provisions are unenforceable and / or reversible on constitutional grounds given the current composition of the SCOTUS? Or do we just have to sit back and wait because, as you correctly pointed out, we don't even know what the leadership has on the agenda yet for the 111th Congress?
I think there's a lot more work to do in the vineyard before Roe v. Wad is overturned, even if the next nine Supreme Court Justices are appointed by pro-life presidents. I don't think the Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade so long as the consensus of elite opinion is that it should be maintained.IMO, part of that work will be framing Roe v. Wade as the extreme position it is rather than some kind of Solomonic compromise that people seem to think it is. I think a public debate on FOCA, which is branded as "codifying Roe v. Wade into law" but also does things like require Catholic hospitals to perform abortions, would draw this into focus.I think the pro-life movement fumbled the Born Alive Act functionality badly -- it could have been used to demonstrate how extreme Roe v. Wade is, and instead they went for the cheap hit of labelling Barack Obama as "pro-infanticide," which was easily dismissed as the absurdity it was.
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- Geneva at this period experienced a moral dictatorship such as has scarcely a parallel in history. It had begun at the time of Calvin's return in 1541, but it went on perfecting itself all the time. The police or 'guardians' watched everything, even the most intimate details of men's private lives. Anyone thinking evil thoughts or doing evil things was punished with brotherly ferocity.There was prison for those who liked dancing . . . enjoyed drinking . . . cardplayers . . . Barbers were forbidden to tonsure priests passing through the city, and jewellers prevented from fashioning chalices. Both these offences were punishable by hanging. It was regarded as a confession of blasphemy and heresy to murmur 'rest in peace' over the grave of a dear departed . . . Two small children were beaten with rods for having eaten two rounds of cake on leaving Church, and another young ragamuffin was nearly beheaded because he returned a box on the ears given him by his mother . . .
It is common knowledge that dictatorships inevitably end by seeking to regulate every single thing.
(Henri Daniel-Rops, The Protestant Reformation, vol. II, translated by Audrey Butler, Garden City, New York: Doubleday Image, 1961,180,194-196)
- There were, of course, the five weekly sermons which all must attend . . . The fashion of dress and of shoes . . . was regulated, and the women's hair styles also . . . Needless to say, every least sign of the old religion was most rigorously forbidden . . . Anabaptists were banished, with death as the penalty should they return. The rare atheist . . . was put to death, tortured and beheaded. The heretic was burned . . . Few crimes were more swiftly and decisively punished than that of contradicting the master's teaching. Intellectual give-and-take had no place in Geneva . . . Even to say that Calvin was not a good preacher could mean prison . . .Naturally there was a censorship of books -- even Bullinger, Against the Anabaptists, was forbidden . . . Real sins, of course, were dealt with mercilessly . . . And the inquisition dreamed of from the beginning became a reality. Twice a year a commission of ministers and elders descended on every house in the town to see that all was well and godly . . . All this was entered in a huge register, with notes against the name, 'pious,' 'lukewarm,' 'corrupt.' . . . Add to this the immense body of the pious who voluntarily spied on their neighbours and even drew them on in talk until they tripped.
(Philip Hughes, A Popular History of the Reformation, Garden City, New York: Doubleday Image, 1957, 234-235)
Early in 1543 Calvin recodified the temporal law of the city; by then it was clear that he was aiming at full fusion of the spiritual and temporal order in Geneva. By 1545 he had extended the jurisdiction of the Consistory to wholly private acts. When in January 1546 Pierre Ameaux, a member of the Little Council of Geneva, criticized Calvin at a supper party in his own home, Calvin demanded that he be punished by the government. On March 2 the Council of Two Hundred ordered Ameaux to appear before it in Calvin's presence and ask pardon on his knees "of God, the government, and Calvin" -- a punishment which Calvin condemned as insufficient. Obediently the Council reconsidered its sentence, and ordered Ameaux to walk all around the city carrying a lighted torch, bareheaded and dressed only in his shirt, three times falling on his knees and begging for mercy. A gallows was set up in front of his home to remind him of his likely fate if he continued to be contumacious. On March 21 Ami Perrin, who had been a leading supporter of Calvin, and his vivacious and outspoken wife Franchequine were imprisoned for dancing at a wedding. . . . Franchequine Perrin defied Calvin to his face, causing him to declare her "in contempt of God." In July Calvin and his ministers prohibited all theatrical productions in Geneva, a decree which remained in effect for decades. In November Calvin drew up a list of acceptable Christian names for children and prohibited children whose names were not on his list from receiving baptism.
(Warren H. Carroll, The Cleaving of Christendom, Front Royal, Virginia: Christendom Press, 2000, 211-212)
The Consistory began its work promptly. No age or distinction exempted one from its censures. Men and women were examined as to their religious knowledge, their criticisms of ministers, their absences from sermons . . . their family quarrels, as well as to more serious offences . . . against a goldsmith for making a chalice . . . against a barber for tonsuring a priest; for declaring the pope to be a good man; making a noise during the sermon; laughing during preaching; criticising Geneva for putting a man to death on account of differences in religion . . or singing a song defamatory to Calvin. Of course these instances are illustrative of only the more curious part of the work. It had to do, much of the time, with offences which any age would deem serious; but they exhibit its minute and inquisitorial interference with the lives of the people of Geneva.
(Williston Walker, John Calvin, New York, Schocken Books, 1969; originally 1906, 281-282, citing primary sources: Registres du Consistoire, 1542, in Opera, xxi. 292-305; 1550-1551, ibid., pp. 466, 489, 506; 1556, 1557, ibid., 653, 657, 664, 669; 1558, 1559, ibid., pp. 700-701, 712, 723. See also Walker, pp. 276-277, 283, 295-297, 301-304, 306, 309-310; Francois Wendel, Calvin: The Origins and Development of His Religious Thought, New York: Harper & Row, Publishers, 1963, pp. 81-101. All five of these books are in my possession)

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GREENVILLE, S.C.---Z. Mason and Casey Jones keyed a 72-63 win at Furman to open Southern Conference play. The Mocs have won three in a row and are 7-8, while the Paladins drop to 6-8.
Mason (Nashville, Tenn.) and Jones (New Orleans, La.) were beasts on the boards with 13 apiece, a career best for Jones. Chattanooga held a 46-37 advantage on the glass for the game with 23 on each end of the floor.
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Mason had his fourth straight double-double, while Jones tallied his first. Mason added 20 points and a career-high six blocks, as Jones posted 13 points and a career-best eight assists.
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Coming to Calgary.
Hi everyone,
Let me introduce myself, and give you a little history aswell;-
My name's Kevin Davey, I presently live in the UK, but will be emigrating to Calgary, Alberta, sometime this November - YIPEE!
Anyway, I'm (an EXTREMEMLY young) 45-years old, I've been training for about 33-years, and have been teaching for nearly 18. Although I've trained in many many disciplines over the years, my main arts have been Karate/Kickboxing & Ju-jistu/Submission Fighting, and I've attained the rank of 4th-Dan Black-belt - in fact, I even represented the Wales, Great Britian team back in '94, when we travelled to the US to fight their boys.
I gave up competition-Karate back in '99, and found that once I'd left the tournament circuit, I kinda lost the passion for the stand-up side of combat. I therefore passed my Karate/Kickboxing classes onto one of my 2nd-Dan students (who's now a 3rd-Dan), and I just continued to teach the 'Jitsu & groundfighting.
Essentially, this is what I now concentrate on solely - the Submission Fighting (which, to be honest, is literally BJJ but without the Gi), and I also teach Goshin Ju-Jitsu for the self-defense side of the art.
Anyway, the reason for this posting is as follows;-
We're aiming to settle in the South of the city, and I was wondering if any of you can tell me how widespread the grappling-arts are in Calgary? Also, is it mostly gi-based? (I kinda hope it is, because if I can start a non-gi submission-fighting class over there, people may see it as another avenue to train and evolve in.)
Well, I look forward to your views and comments, and of course, any info will be greatfully received.
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Shopping With Friends, an annual fundraiser for Lowcountry AIDS Services, is celebrating 10 years with a new twist on its event and even more retail and restaurant partners. Join Lowcountry AIDS Services and The Event Cooperative for a pre-shopping evening out on the town at the "Casablanca Night" Ball from 7-10 p.m. Friday, Dec. 6 at Hibernian Hall, 105 Meeting St. in Charleston.
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The problem before the Board of Commissioners is, while revenues are down, every department asked for more money. Animal control needs another part-time officer, and Emergency Management Director Don Graham asked for another full-time firefighter stationed in Gray who would cover the areas of Haddock, Highway 129, and Greene Settlement Road.
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Handcrafted in County Donegal, Ireland by an 86-year-old bespoke tailoring firm, this is the genuine Irish patchwork throw. Originally a symbol of Ireland's working class, tweed patchwork's appeal has since transcended socioeconomic status thanks to its superior heat retention, durability, and charm. Each tweed square is woven from the fine coat of pure bred suffolk and texel sheep, breeds renowned for yielding a dense, warm fleece. The squares are hand-selected to create a patchwork with a rich array of colors and textures, evoking the diverse landscape of the Donegal Highlands. The squares are handwoven using straight lock stitching, a technique that provides additional strength at the seams and yields a more durable throw. The underside of the throw is lined with 100% cotton that's soft against the skin. Since the tweed squares are selected and sewn by hand, each throw is truly the only one of its kind. Dry clean only. Throw. 70" L x 50" W. (6 2/3 lbs.)
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Distressed cargo jacket with beautiful stud and metallic embroidered embellishment on sleeves. Drawstring ties at front of neckline, bottom front, front of waist and at lower back hem. Zipper opening in front. Four front zipper pockets. Hooded. Lined.
*97% Cotton
*3% Spandex
*Lining: 100% Rayon Twill
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Measurements for Small:Length: 32 in = 81 1/4 cm
Bust (all around): 43 1/2 in = 110 1/2 cm
Sleeve Length: 23 1/2 in = 59 1/2 cm
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Rated 5 out of 5Â by austincara oh dear god... so you know how you spend your whole life trying not to be shallow and trampy and then you get a jacket in the mail and you want to make out with it after only knowing it for twenty seconds.... 8.19.2013
Rated 5 out of 5Â by gossamerdreams Army of FP Love Agree with previous reviewers, this is an extremely lovable parka, almost impossible not to wear all the time. I fiddled around big time before purchasing this one, first ordered it, then cancelled as the studio shots did not look so cool and then, when the reviews started to drop in, realized that i might be missing out on an epic piece of FP clothing and decided to order..and-of course-they were all gone. Yipes! So i stalked the store inventory and it turned out my local FP store had one in this morning and they kindly reserved it for me til i was able to sneak away from my studio. Phew what a thriller. But totally worth it. This is the softest, most scrumptious juxtaposition of all that symbolizes FP to me...Edge, bohemian, vintage, freedom..The drawstrings in waist and hem give you the option to style it a little more, and for me that makes a huge difference, its actually possible to wear this parka and still look like you have a figure:) Still, its totally too large for me. The XS hits just at fingertiips when unzipped and a little higher w/ zipped, its a bit high-low so mid thigh in back. The waist pretty much spot on . Truly, not a parka, more of a shell in my opinion, but as noted, the arm holes are big enough to allow you to layer your warmest most oversized sweater, a billie jean thermal, a shel like the voile trapeze slip and a soft oversized tank top.....and perhaps more....I'd totally go for an XXS or, heck even an XXXS if available..But they arent likely to be offered so i will totally keep this one. So in my opinion this fits true to size for an oversized look, but for comfort to wear or if you like the shorter length in the model shots size down one or two sizes unless you are very tall. I am 5'4 105 lbs for comparison. I include two snapshot so yousee how the lenght varies when zipped vs unzipped and how big the jacket is on someone my size. I the images i wear with my supersoft pullover in oatmeal, a vintage pink scarf and the fp highrise skinnies in blizzard and JC shifter boots XS measures Length: 31" Bust (all around):40" Sleeve Length: 22" Hem all around 46'' Armhole 20'' 12.11.2012
Rated 3 out of 5Â by luvcharm Bling- bling! Just received my jacket today and I'm afraid to wear it cuz the sleeves are a bit too much lol. Its comfy though. I was going to get the black because I already have another olive parka, but then I got the green anyway since I thought that the design would stand out better than black on black. In this case a little too much. I got the small since there's no more xs and my usual is s anyway. Could probably size down but the oversized look is fine. Like others have said, some beads are either broken or missing. I expect better quality for the price, but it's understandable for beads to be fragile. However, I believe there are better beads out there than the ones fp are using because they really look cheap and that they are really from China (even though they are lol). At least make it seems like it is from Italy or something right? Wish to give more stars if quality was better and supply was readily available. I think I would have preferred xs over s if they had it. I know that it would be restock since its doing good, but hey the cold is now who wants to wait til spring for a winter jacket?! Fp always does this. You guys never stock well because you're not sure if something is going to sell, but you should have a backup plan. People don't like to wait for s long time. Still debating whether I should return this or not. 10.26.2013
Rated 5 out of 5Â by beanmail I I fell in love with this coat when the winter catalog arrived, but by the time I'd decided on it it was sold out. I splurged on it when it became available again, knowing I'd only keep it if it was really something special. I'M KEEPING IT! Bonus: it's (carefully) machine washable. A word about sizing: it IS roomy. I am very happy with the XS and I'm not a twig. The S on me made it look like I'd borrowed someone else's coat: with the sleeves covering my hands. 7.19.2013
Rated 5 out of 5Â by Cheryll Totally fun piece! :) First this coat is not 'huge' as so many have reported. I typically wear an XS or S and the small in this coat was perfect not 'huge' at all so please no worries on the size thing -- it's true to size for a coat that is supposed to be just that a 'coat' that one would wear sweaters under. I was surprised at how soft and worn in it felt and sure the embellishment is 'Over the Top' but that is the great FUN of it and the photos clearly show this aspect! Also, the worn in distressed feel and look of it are a tonic to the glitz and sparkle. It may not be for the faint of heart fashionista or for anyone too young (as would be intimidating perhaps) but for those who can pull off unique pieces this is a great addition -- it takes a practical jacket and turns it into a stunner for weekend kicking around or travelling. LOVE IT! :) Cheers! 4.17.2013
Rated 5 out of 5Â by FPGigi Probably THE Coolest Thing You Can Buy The best thing about Free People is their originality and craftsmanship; this coat epitomizes those characteristics AND is actually useful. It is such a gorgeous piece and if you're on the fence about it, don't be because you'll absolutely get your money's worth. This jacket never fails to get attention and compliments and sometimes it's just really cool seeing people who could not care less about fashion remark on its unique design and overall radness. It's nearly as heavy as a denim jacket and will provide about the same amount of warmth. It is very over-sized, like most of Free People's products. Your best bet is to buy true to your size because it's designed to be an exaggerated XS, S, M, etc. I wear an XS and am 5'9" (long arms and such) and I got an XS in this coat with no problems in arm length or any sort of constraint in the shoulders. There is a comfortable amount of room to layer a sweater over other thin, long sleeve layers within the coat because of its over-sized fit. Such a good investment, and an even better way to visibly maintain your style even in the dark winter months that require numerous layers just to survive! I would write a haiku about this jacket if I could, it's just that cool. p.s. SUPER easy to dress up or down. Too fun to only wear on certain occasions! 3.8.2013
Rated 5 out of 5Â by McPhee Favorite Jacket EVER! I got the small, and wear a size 8 dress. I found this true to size - it's supposed to be a little oversized. My measurements: 36, 32, 39. I wish I could wear this every day. Actually, I just might. It is such a happy jacket - bohemian and fun and gorgeous. I feel beautiful and expressive and free and like everyone loves me, including me, in this jacket. Best FP purchase ever! I hope they get more in because they sold out so fast. I want everyone who has been drooling over this jacket to be able to get one. 12.18.2012
Rated 4 out of 5Â by kittyhawk_01 Stunning! I purchased this jacket online and missed out the first time as I hesitated about the price. My misfortune because I had to wait till it came back into stock. I immediately purchased one in size M as I heard they are over sized and they are! I wish I had ordered a size S but cannot now as they are all sold out again! I still love it and get heaps of comments when wearing it. I purchased the olive one and it really is stylish and can go with anything. The embroidery is very well done and I do not think it is over the top at all. I usually am a good guess in the Free People sizing and would normally purchase an Australian size 12-14 but the size M I would say is a 14-16. Never the less I'm keeping it! 4.27.2014
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The NASCAR season might be going a million miles per hour, but time seems to be creeping ever so slowly as we inch our way toward September and the release of the first NASCAR driver action figure series from ActionMcFarlane.
The first NASCAR driver series lineup is as follows:
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Tony Stewart
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Ryan Newman
Each figure in the series will be offered in two versions: Winner's Circle and ARC. The Winner's Circle version is a mass retail version to be carried at such stores as WalMart, Target, Toys R Us, Meijer and Kaybee. The ARC version will be the specialty version and will be available through the following specialty retailers/distributors: Baseball Card Warehouse, Sammy USA, Diamond, Gamestop, Electronics Boutique, Southern Hobby and Spider's Web. The previous retailers are McFarlane-based accounts. Our partners at Action Performance will also sell this product through their normal lines of distribution.
The Winner's Circle and ARC versions will involve different paint and logo applications, minor sculpt and/or accessories changes, and different bases.
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Daniel Laskarin's Highpoint includes a chair and camera attached to the top of a 40-foot spire that juts through the community center's roof and faces a view towards the north. At the base of the spire is a furniture grouping of a table and several larger-than-life chairs. By looking into a "coffee mug" resting on the table, a viewer can see a constantly changing image of the city as seen from the camera at the top of the spire.
Laskarin writes: "This artwork marks out the High Point Community Center within its community, and it suggests a metaphor for the social role that the center plays. In an immediate sense the table and chairs of the artwork suggest the comforts of a home or friendly setting, and in an imaginary sense the artwork opens out onto the world beyond. If one could get up to the level of the roof of the center, one would be able to look out over the city and its harbor: a rich view full of imaginings. This view mirrors the place that the community center occupies in the lives of its users and its community."


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According to reports provided by the Aiken County Sheriffs Department:
Three Graniteville residents, all residents of Rockwell Court, reported on Friday that someone broke into their vehicles and stole several items.
Three more car break-ins were also reported on Friday by residents of Village East Circle in Graniteville.
A caller reportedly contacted Leavelle Campbell Middle School on Friday and said she saw a Facebook post about a shooting at the school. Several units showed a police presence at the school for the remainder of the day and reported no incidents.
A Graniteville woman reported on Friday that she and her childrens father got into a verbal altercation over the children. The father shoved her which prompted her to call the police.
A Clearwater woman reported on Friday that two subjects approached her property on Westminister Way and stole a moped.
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Art museum leaders from Toledo, Detroit and Cleveland to celebrate International Museum DayWritten by Jason Mack | | email@example.com
The directors of the art museums in Toledo, Cleveland and Detroit are coming together May 18 to celebrate International Museum Day with a public forum discussing "Museums and Memory." The forum will be moderated by art critic Judith Dobrzynski and begins at 6 p.m. in the Peristyle at the Toledo Museum of Art (TMA).
"International Museum Day draws a great deal of attention to museums," said Graham W.J. Beal, director of the Detroit Institute of Art. "One would like to think it is Museum Day every day, but that's not the way it works."
"Anything that draws attention to museums and the value of art and creativity is a wonderful thing," said David Franklin, director of the Cleveland Museum of Art. "It's great to have that focus for one day and show people museums can change our lives as individuals and add to the value of communities. It's nice to have that sort of birthday for the museum."
Beal has worked at the DIA since 1999 while Franklin and Brian Kennedy, director of the TMA, have each worked at their museum since September 2010. The three directors truly put the international in International Museum Day with Kennedy hailing from Ireland, Beal from Britain and Franklin from Canada.
"The art world causes you to travel an awful lot," Kennedy said. "Where you're from affects your accent and a few things, but it's really about your experience. We were all attracted to come to these places because the people are great."
Franklin is excited for the event and hopes it is the first of many meetings between the three directors.
"We're spoiled in this area," he said. "We have three of the greatest comprehensive museums in the world. They have international reputations. I'd like us to interact more. We haven't had a chance for all of us to get together yet, so this is a nice occasion. The three of us could really do more together, and that unity would be very powerful."
The main topic for the panel is discussing how museums store memory through objects in their collection.
"The challenge of art museums today is to be relevant in a digital age," Kennedy said. "In an age where reproduction is everywhere, how do you validate the individual object? It's because the experience created around objects together is memorable. It's an environment circumstantial to the museum."
"If you lack a community spirit or a sense of your own mythology, it makes for a weaker and more boring place to live," Franklin said. "Museums are all about memory. It's an antidote even to boredom. Every object in a museum contains several stories. Memory in objects leads to all kinds of fascinating directions."
Another topic is how these three museums are adjusting to the economic downturns and changing demographics of their communities.
"The impact of the past decade and the economic downturn has been tough on all three cities, because they were each major manufacturing cities," Kennedy said. "The art collections are a reflection of the success the cities have had and symbols of their continued relevance.
"It's changing in a rather significant way that started about 20 years ago," Beal said. "Museums started to focus less on being a repository and more on being a social enterprise with more responsibility for making the connection between the public and the art."
In honor of International Museum Day, TMA is offering free parking as well as free admission to the museum and all of its exhibitions.
The International Council of Museums started International Museum Day in 1977 to make the public aware of the role museums play in society.
"Museums help us to think and feel, and I think those are noble qualities," Franklin said. "They teach us about values like variety and diversity and provide a neutral space where we can experience positive concepts. There aren't many places left in society where that is possible."
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- Perfect for illuminating a path, driveway or garden border
- Easy to install — no wiring or extension cord needed
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Solar light illuminates pathways and garden borders; no wiring necessary. This light features an amorphous solar panel on top that charges even on partly cloudy days. The light turns on automatically at dusk and runs for about six hours on a full charge. Made from long-lasting, UV-stable polypropylene with one white LED behind a frosted white diffuser.
- UV-stable polypropylene
- 7" in diameter x 12" H installed
- 4-1/2" ground stake
- Amorphous solar panel
- On/off switch
- Includes 2 NiMH rechargeable batteries
- Runs up to 6 hours on a full charge
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I put these in a bed of low ground cover, right next to a path. It helps to show night time visitors where to walk. The fixture directs the light down, where it is needed, and not into the eyes.
It is a little dim, and is easily confused by a nearby security light.
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These lights are made of plactic and are made of cheap material. Would send them back but to hard to package since they came in individual boxes I order 8 lights what a mistake. I will never order from this magazine again
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These were the first solar lights & purchased & our property has about 20 lights already existing on it, but I wanted to add some more to different areas. These are too dim to really matter & made cheaply. Not at all impressed with these.
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I have a single step coming off the main sidewalk. Can be very dark. I had hoped, once again, to get a small solar light to alert people that the step is there. Light barely shows. I did the initial charge as instructed. When sunny there should be enough light during the day to re-charge it.
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We placed these lights along a pathway that receives direct sun and they did not function at all. We will be returning the lights. Save your money.
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I am disappointed with these lights because they do not stay lit for more than 2-3 hours. Even after a full day of sun, the lights will come on at dusk and stay lit for only a few hours. And when lit, the light is weak at best.
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Locks your bikes down by the tires and fends off no-good, thieving pirates.
Secure your two-wheeled mortgage payment to the roof without having to remove the front wheel, all thanks to the Inno Racks Tire Hold Bike Mount. A front and rear bar and ratcheting rear tire hold keep your bike in place without touching your frame or putting detrimental pressure on brake or hydraulic cables. The locking bike cables and key-and-lock system provides security against sticky-fingered assailants with an appetite for nicking delicious-looking toys.
- Supports most bike frame styles from cruisers to all mountain and freeride bikes
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