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This week's premiere edition of "The Rant" focuses on an age-old problem in the MMORPG space: The Holy Trinity. Watch and listen as Managing Editor Bill Murphy tries to come up with some armchair designer fixes for the Holy Trinity and why it's still necessary in MMOs of today.
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Joined: 7/14/08
I couldn't agree with you more!
I really don't understand this hatred for the holy trinity. I was talking with some fellow mmo'ers over lunch the other day and of the 5 of us present, 4 including myself like the trinity.
I like playing a certain role. I really enjoy it.. I really don't see whats wrong with that. I recently played gw2 and to be honest, I hated it. I didn't find it fun and felt like everyone was just running around like crazy bastards unleashing attacks. I'm sure tons of people like it, but I really don't. I really do like playing games that have the trinity in place.
I think that the "mercenary" aspect of EQ2 is a step in the right direction for filling roles on the fly; but it takes away from the "mmo" aspect as the spot is filled with an NPC.
I think being able to change the abilities of a class on the fly would go a long way in the right direction. Something kinda like gw2 where you have a lot more skills and get to specify which ones you're using at a given time to either heal/bandage, tank/absorb, etc.
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Joined: 8/10/09
GW2 didn't really get rid of class roles, ArenaNet just simplified them, and for that matter most of the game was similarly streamlined. Problem with that is it only really works for very casual gameplay in mmos. What people want is more complexity, but ease of grouping in mmos. Yes, that means stuff like dungeon finders which does lower the immersion, and complexity in class roles, but it is a sacrifice that I for one will accept in gaming. What I think we are seeing now is some of the casual GW2 crowd getting a bit bored and are now looking for other games and newer gaming experiences. Neverwinter's will fill that gap for some as it is a casual high fantasy mmo, though we haven't seen the finished gold master product so it is a little hard to evaluate yet…it might be a tad shallow, much like Champions Online. Elder Scrolls looks more promising as a high fantasy mmo and seems to offer greater complexity and challenge for the mom player, but is further out on the horizon. So, we are really witnessing in Bill the migration from a very casual game to new fields...that's for the good as part of the problem with mmos has been the concept of gear or grind treadmills that eat up your time. Playing a game for a few months and moving on is a healthy way for the mmo industry to go as it gets away from the cash cow mmos of the past that are really just huge time sinks after you beat the levelling game, WoW anyone.
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Joined: 2/08/09
There is NOTHING wrong with the holy trinity. People just need to pick something, anything, to bitch at.
It worked back in D&D first edition, and it shall work until the end of days.
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Joined: 5/12/10
Nice video, Bill. (and I really liked the contrast between the tone and the title Rant :) )
I agree with you, roles are necessary for group play, and class-less (or role-flexible) systems could be the answer to the boring "playing the LFF channel" issue. But I don't think those games you mentioned haven't done enough. Some sort of advancement / leveling / gear / etc. is mandatory between changes or the game could become oversimplified.
I personally love TSW's "I can play any role" attitude, and that it doesn't require to level up another toon from scratch (though I love to level up alts.) Same goes to STO, it's fun to switching among my ships and officers, and play an another role sometimes.
It occurs me, in LotRO with Moria they introduced the rune-keeper, I think that was my first "flexible class" experience, so it's not even a novelty (for non-lotroers: rk is a dps/heal hybrid class, who is fully capable in both roles and can switch between them even in combat if it's necessary. Neat. And some would say lore-breaking :) )
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Joined: 2/10/12
I like the dynamics of Tank, Heal, and DPS. I don't, however, like the predetermined class selection that plagues most MMOs, e.g., Guardian, Templar, Assassin.
I'd much rather experience a system that is similar to Path of Exile, where players can completey create their very own unique builds. Someone who decidede to completely stack resistances and magi-shield might be better vs a cave of witches than someone who stacked up on health, strength, and armor.
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Joined: 1/31/12
Nothing new here, hell, WOW does all the things he's suggesting anyway, like how Paladin's can (or used to haven't played in a while) heal with Divine Storm.
I'm not one to remain stagnant though, I think there is a better system than the Trinity, I'm sure a few smart people have already come up with a superior alternative, in a smokey basement somewhere. Maybe not smokey, they might have vaoprizers.
For those thinking "blah etc..so on and that we don't need to reinvent the wheel." I have one word for you, TWEEL!
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Joined: 8/19/07
The fallacy in this thought though, is that people WILL switch to the missing role when needed. Take WoW for example. With both of the previously added classes, Death Knight and Monk, both have tanking roles. Blizzard also added dual-spec options. So you're at a point where you have 5/11 classes have tanking specs, and yet there still is a tank shortage. Yes, you have to obtain gear for your secondary spec, but it's not that difficult to get a workable set of gear while you are perfecting your set for your main role.
The biggest problem with the Trinity, is people. If a group wipes on a boss, tanks and healers are the first to be blamed everytime. Even if the wipe is caused by some DPS doing something very wrong, the tank and healer take the first amount of blame. Tanking and healing have a greater inhereted responsiblity within the dynamic of a group, and frankly that's not a responsibility many folks want in this vicious and vindictive internet we have now.
Additionally, if you made it so that any one could be anything at any given time, then you would open up a whole new can of worms with people whining about how there are no consequences to your choices.
When I play GW2, I don't have to wait for a tank or healer to show up. I don't have to sit around for hours tryng to come up with the perfect assembly of classes to complete a specific task. Frankly, I prefer the way ANet did it, even with it's imperfections.
The trinity isn't a bad design in many regards, but it breaks down more easily than a more open system.
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Joined: 6/13/07
Originally posted by shadowkras
This has been gone over extensively. No, there wasn't holy trinity in early D&D. The only example I could find of a Taunt in AD&D 2ed, was a magic user spell. Warriors were quite capable of dishing out damage, and controlled combat by blocking space, not by insulting your mother.
Personally, I am in the camp of 'The Holy Trinity should be fixed with dynamite'. I prefer open skill systems that let you build what you want.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
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Kaneth wrote:
"The biggest problem with the Trinity, is people. If a group wipes on a boss, tanks and healers are the first to be blamed everytime. Even if the wipe is caused by some DPS doing something very wrong, the tank and healer take the first amount of blame. Tanking and healing have a greater inhereted responsiblity within the dynamic of a group, and frankly that's not a responsibility many folks want in this vicious and vindictive internet we have now."
Man you are my hero, couldn't have said it better myself!
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Joined: 1/08/07
Freeloading mooches are the scourge of the gaming community.
The only reason this was posted is because the topic I started about the holy trinity is overshadowing everything they have written about in last 2 weeks..
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Joined: 4/20/05
Originally posted by Kaneth
yeah thats why some addons like bigbrother exist in wow
i find it fun that even the wow basic UI tells the player that was behing garalon
XxXsefirothiscoolXXx stuck underneath garalon
if we wipe the game must tell the group what failed , Noobdps nº1 didnt interrupt the 10s cast spell
is the same for the 2 boss in blackrock cavern in CATA, the boss had 3 adds , the 3 dps must stay btw the laser and the NPC and moving out at 60 stacks aprox, u SAW who failed , if he was too long he converted into a demon if he failed to stay btw the laser and npc , the npc converted into a demon and attacked....
the boss was a pain in the ass , why? DPS players are usually retarded :S , dont get me wrong i play as dps too , but the most basic things , like moving out of fire , or interrupting a spell...or just avoiding a huge wall of ice....
the prime example is the LFR of wow , so much fail is digusting
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Joined: 6/13/07
I am pretty amused at the conceit that the trinity fails because of people. Yeah, kinda hard to do it without them though. I sure don't prefer it as a hard coded abstraction.
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Joined: 7/28/06
It was only hinted at with a Storm Legion clip, but Rift has a decent system, marred only by the fact that you still must learn a new way to play with each "build". I'm looking for a system that allows you to play the way you know how but with different functions.
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Joined: 2/03/13
Originally posted by BillMurphy
DCUO? In so far as you switch between dps and heals/ tank/ control depending upon build. It is not quite what you are after, but part way there.
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Joined: 1/18/07
The trinity is to much of a comfort blanket for a lot of players and devs. /shrug
Oh well.
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Joined: 9/05/10
Logic, reason and fact do not supersede human nature. Ignorance reigns without justice.
I think the video could've been a bit more informative as to how he would go about it. Perhaps be more "bold" as he suggested the developers to be. In that, I'd just flat out say give the players the ability to switch to any of the three tanking, healing or DPS builds without the barrier such as gear or leveling up a new class to get in the way.
If WoW wasn't such a loot based game, it would be as such as right now you can be anyone in the world, click a single button and instantly change what your class does. You are even able to change your talents in the field now. The only thing that prevents this is how you have to grind like a mad man/woman for the gear that would make that change useful (often times having to do what you no longer enjoy just to get the gear to do something that you think you would).
If things were made so that stats were given special passives, or abilities to change (or add) to what a specific spec does, it would be a much more fluid system whereby you could be anything anytime you wanted to be in game. I know they experimented with this and spirit/int/agi etc. adding things to the class such as increased hit if you have one or some such (to alleviate gear problems when you switch to a role that doesn't use it), but I don't think they fleshed it out enough to be as useful as it could be.
In FFXIV: A Realm Reborn they are bringing back the old FFXI system whereby one character is able to max every class in the game. Though some of the fundamental problems will still be present, as far as I can see. They are allowing you to switch any class no matter where you are in the world as this video suggests. Though there is a fundamental flaw that isn't accounted for when doing this.
It's all about balance and what's the most useful. In the first version of FFXIV people were prtty much required to level both Paladins and Warriors if they wanted to tank; warriors were far more useful for the majority of the content, and still considered to be even after paladins were buffed. Though there were times that, to be considered a serious tank, you had to have both maxed and switch quickly in dungeons where speed was the key (efficiency speed groups). No longer could you play the class that you wanted, and instead you were just forced to play the strengths of the classes that were available since you didn't have to go back home to change them.
Consider yourself a paladin? Too bad, you have to play warrior if you want to tank, and paladins are only good at tanking while warriors can deal out massive DPS in addition to. Enjoy melee fighting? Well, play with a linkshell that doesn't care about efficiency, because on this specific fight it's better if you're ranged. Want to just play a single class? Get out, newbie... we need you to switch to a class that can clear trash easily for this part. Play that class on your own time.
I'm hoping they fix these problems in A Realm Reborn, as in practice they bring about new problems as a whole.
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Joined: 8/10/09
Originally posted by MightyChasm
I think Bill has missed the point there. Neverwinter is D&D so you want your wizard to be a wizard and your cleric to be a cleric. If you can have a wizard tanking then it just isn't D&D my friend.
I think Neverwinters could be a casual blast, and there is nothing wrong with good honest casual gaming fun, but...remember folks Cryptic isn't the same game company that made CoH, nope they are perfect world subsidiary now, so expect a hard core cash shop
The Founder's pack looks a bit like it shows the in game purchasing that can be unlocked by using ones 2-sided credit card and being within ones credit card limit
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Joined: 9/28/04
The trinity is a handicap, it limits games and gameplay and effects every aspect of the game. No thank you, its there for people that find complex characters too difficult to play. I dont need my hand held, I dont need guide rails and I sure as hell dont need someone to tell me what I am or am not supposed to do in a group.
How weak is that...needing someone to define you in everything. bleh.
I highly doubt any game will be able to match a GW2 bunker elementalists difficulty level. But you go on, play your faceroll games and claim to be l33t. ooh look ma, I can heal my group watch, 1, 2, 1, 3, 1, 2
I haz skillz.
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Originally posted by Illyssia
Only unholy trinity is one of the most simplistic and non flexible systems. DPS = mindless rotations, healer = whack a mole and only tank has to actually show some greater skill and play field awarness. Most of trinity dungeon like encouters are limited to pulling and killing, tanking and spanking and are sometimes spiced with "dont stand in the shit" or on the wrong side of the mob. In hardest fights you just have to do 30 points check list in correct timing. What a complexity.
Now, i think it is possible to make good trinity system but what we are served now is just as simple as more action oriented game systems but lacks its dynamics. IMO for good trinity system it would have to go further then damage, heal, debuff, root and interrupt. It has to be really about tactics and full of interesting, usefull skills which you have to actually use.


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"Well, what would you do with a brain if you had one?" — Dorothy
The Yellow Brick Road to preserving Libbey High School will not originate from One Government Center or 445 E. Manhattan Blvd.
We recently showed our young sons "The Wizard of Oz." They were swept away by the swiftly moving story and infectious songs, as they followed Dorothy and her coterie through their perilous and eventful journey.
On March 4, as I watched an hourlong meeting concerning the fate of Libbey High School, I could not stop feeling I was reliving Frank L. Baum's fever dream.
Activist Warren Woodberry and the Libbey Preservation Committee envisioned a meeting in which they could present several alternatives to the demolition of the buildings on the Libbey Campus on Western Ave. There are two key points to their plan. First, no one is fighting to restore Libbey as an active high school. It is understood by even the most fervent Libbey alumni that there will never again be Toledo Public Schools freshmen, sophomores, juniors and seniors ebbing and flowing through the halls like blood cells pumping through a network of arteries and veins. Second, there is no movement to save all of Libbey; the roof damage, accumulating water rot and general disrepair have doomed the magnificent main building. But the newer field house, food preparation space and vocational center offer an opportunity to create a community center that could house several services.
Among the two dozen ideas for Libbey usage Woodberry and the preservation committee were anxious to present were after school and GED programs, food and assistance programs, a voting site, a small manufacturing area, a computer training center, day care programs, a green technology site and vocational training. These are ideas, not signed contracts, but they are not concepts that can be described as unrealistic or impossible to implement.
Woodberry had noble intentions, but events beyond his control, like a tornado sweeping through the plains of Kansas, conspired to throw everything into chaos.
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Before the 11 a.m. meeting, Toledo Mayor Mike Bell met with TPS officials — and only the most naïve among us would believe they were huddling to practice a choral arrangement of "Over the Rainbow." According to the mayor's office, "It was about two minutes and they exchanged pleasantries and [Bell] clearly articulated his position on Libbey to them so that they knew where he stood."
From the beginning of the 11 a.m. meeting, it was clear that Bell, flanked by TPS Superintendent Jerome Pecko and TPS Board of Education President Bob Vasquez, was not there to facilitate a protracted conversation about the effort to preserve Libbey.
The meeting included two dozen elected officials (including TPS Board of Education member Brenda Hill, Lucas County Commissioner Tina Skeldon Wozniak, Lucas County Administrator Peter Ujvagi and Toledo City Councilman Steve Steel), Libbey supporters, a few businessmen (including Fifth Third Bank President and Libbey graduate Robert LaClair) and cameras from the local television news stations.
There was enough straw wafting from the Scarecrow contingent to cover a path from One Government Center to Topeka. And while there were no Cowardly Lions in the room, there were several people Woodberry believed would be in attendance who were notably absent, including Sen. Edna Brown, former Mayor Carty Finkbeiner and Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority member Jerry Chabler.
Bell's first statement was that the meeting would not be allowed to exceed 60 minutes. Bell's second statement was that the City of Toledo was not going to take any financial responsibility for Libbey's preservation nor its demolition costs. Neither of those definitive statements fostered any hope for a true dialogue. Bell was not surrounded by flames and green smoke, but he spoke with the authority of the Great and Powerful Oz himself, with that wizard's penchant for "I will talk, you will listen" communication.
And your little dog, too
Before Woodberry, the ostensible host of the meeting, could speak, Bell gave the floor to Pecko, who made it clear that TPS had no intention of missing an Ohio School Facilities Commission (OSFC) deadline for demolishing Libbey. Before he could finish, Toledo City Councilman (and Libbey graduate) D. Michael Collins interjected that he had testified before the OSFC on Feb. 24, and secured commitment that the $2.25 million in demolition funds could be guaranteed for an additional 24 months.
Like a pack of the Wicked Witch of the West's winged henchmen, the TPS officials and Bell descended on Collins, questioning and doubting his comments about the OSFC arrangement. It was strikingly clear that Collins and Bell are not mutual fans; they seem to work together as well as a falling house and the Wicked Witch of the East.
Again, before Woodberry could begin, TPS Board of Education member Larry Sykes jumped in. Sykes, in an important community forum with the clock ticking, opened his comments with a glance at me and the statement that "I am not a terrorist," a reference to a Feb. 6 column in which I described TPS' decimation of the South End as "institutional terrorism." Well, Mr. Sykes, despite your aggressive effort to single me out in a large crowd and intimidate future commentary, you made your point — you are no terrorist.
A terrorist is scary.
Sykes, the Tin Man displaying no heart, brusquely proclaimed that "the die were cast" on Libbey and that he did not see any chance that the TPS board would change its vote to demolish Libbey.
He said all that before one word on Libbey's behalf was uttered by its supporters.
Within minutes, three levels of government exposed their egos, prejudices and alliances. If only a sixth-grade civics class had been watching from behind a panel of glass.
I'm melting! Melting!
Finally, Woodberry took the floor and implored the attendees to focus on the positive opportunities. He and his allies — including Sue Terrill of the Libbey Alumni Association, former Libbey basketball coach Leroy Bates and green technology housing expert Bill Decker — tried to build a case for the alternative uses of the Libbey property, but the preceding conflict and hostility punctured any opportunity for an open exchange of ideas. The impatience and disinterest on display from the city and TPS officials melted the meeting's intent as surely as a bucket of water vaporized the Wicked Witch of the West.
It looked like the hour-long meeting was effectively ended within 30 minutes, but then, like a floating pink bubble heralding Glinda, the Good Witch of the North, Rep. Marcy Kaptur arrived. It did not take long for Kaptur to sum up the atmosphere; "I sense a lot of tension," she said, in the most diplomatic comment since "I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."
Since no one recapped the first 30 minutes of the meeting for her, Kaptur could not have known that the discussion did not for one minute focus on returning Libbey to its former status as an active school. So she opened her comments on that exact topic, suggesting the University of Toledo, or more likely Owens Community College, might utilize the campus for an educational opportunity. Kaptur did not wave a wand or cue the Munchkin chorus, but she brought a calm to the meeting that had been noticeably absent.
There's no place like home
One of the productive, albeit inconclusive, conversation threads followed the projected costs of maintaining the Libbey buildings for Collins' hypothetical 24 months. TPS Chief Business Manager James Gant estimated it would take a minimum $150,000 a year to "mothball" the unoccupied building, a number that does not include roof repairs or other essential preservation steps.
Various members of Toledo's Lollipop Guild interjected during the meeting, but there was no true plan or course of action presented. There was more discussion of Collins' OSFC proposal and agreement that there needs to be a short- and long-term needs discussion, but Woodberry and his allies never really gained control of the meeting from the yapping Totos in the room.
At noon, the monthly city alarm test effectively ended the meeting. Two dozen people from every level of Toledo government came together and left with nothing as resolute or certain as that blaring siren.
For as closely as its situation mirrored Dorothy's, the collective group might as well have been wearing ruby slippers. The power to fix Libbey has been within them all along, but they are distracted by nostalgia, dreams, fears and the chatter of people who carry more resources in their brains, hearts and guts than they realize.
While watching "The Wizard of Oz" for the first time in 30 years, I was struck by a scene I did not remember from my small-screen viewing as a child. Just after the Wizard dispatches Dorothy and her posse to capture the Wicked Witch's broomstick, they are shown in the haunted forest. Tin Man has his ax and a Quentin Tarrantino-size pipe wrench, Lion has a net and a Gallagher mallet and the Scarecrow is carrying … a gun. It's a silver revolver, and to see it is to be shocked out of the film's magical, musical "reality."
Seeing a Toledo community movement fall victim to the least productive elements of Toledo politics was a real-life "Scarecrow's gun" moment, a surreal, jarring, impossible to reconcile collision of liars and bribers and glares.
Oh, my.
Michael S. Miller is editor in chief of Toledo Free Press and Toledo Free Press Star. Contact him through e-mail at firstname.lastname@example.com.
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hi. came across some more "blue and yellow" here in dolan's cadillac. "the blue and the yellow the ones turn the starter." so said tink, or his more formal name, tinker, the humongous black bulldozer operator who likes mcdonald's fruit pies.
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Definitely a very poor sales experience for would-be Mac buyers, I can't believe Apple, Rich Johnson in particular, would tolerate it after how much time and effort they've spent building the brand rep around haut-satisfaction. Crazy. Don't understand it.
So... White like Dieter and Chad, or Black like me? :)
Is the iPhone 3G Bad for Mac?
So I ventured out to an Apple Store yesterday hoping that since the iPhone 3G was a couple days old that I could easily grab one. No, not for me. For the girlfriend and my sister. I could have gone to the AT&T store only a few blocks away but whenever Apple releases a new product I prefer the full Apple experience at an Apple Store (Brea, CA); it's just more complete that way. Expecting to get some hands on time with the iPhone 3G and pick up the Macbook Air again, I was pretty excited to get to the store.
As I cheerily walked through the mall eagerly anticipating the iPhone 3G, I stopped dead in my tracks. There was at least a 100-person line that stretched multiple storefronts! The Apple Store Employee 'in-charge' estimated the line to be a 5-hour wait! This was a Monday afternoon, didn't people have work to do?
But it gets better (read: worse).
Read on for the rest of this very weird Apple Store Experience!
The iPhone 3G line wasn't the only line! There was a 'Mac-line' for people who weren't interested in the iPhone 3G but wanted to buy a Mac, play Frisbee with the Macbook Air, get free WiFi, or just do whatever you do at the Apple store. That line was at least a 30 minute wait—to just get into the store! This Apple Store was making potential customers willing to spend thousands of dollars on the iPhone 3G wait outside. Two different lines to get into an Apple store—just crazy!
Adding to the ridiculousness of it all, an Apple Store employee served as a 'bouncer' complete with a 'guest list' that presumably had genius bar appointments on it. I felt like I was in Hollywood trying to get into an exclusive club, not buy a computer at a computer store.
How is it good business making people wait to buy a Mac because of the iPhone 3G? Won't it cannibalize sales of their other product lines if Mac customers have a difficult buying process? A few people in the Mac-line were already getting quite antsy and angry at having to wait. The Store employee gave me the excuse that the lines served as a safety precaution but the Apple Store looked pretty empty. I mean Apple Stores are almost always crowded, where are the safety measures then?
I understand a line for iPhone 3G customers, as insane as a 5 hour wait is, if you want to buy an iPhone 3G you have to wait your turn, that makes sense. But having a Mac line just to get into the store? That's a little too exclusive, even for Apple. I can't imagine how I would feel if I was ready to buy a Mac but had to wait outside the store because of the iPhone 3G. Just let me in the store! At least I'd be able to play with my future purchase.
What do you think? Is the iPhone 3G bad for the rest of Apple's products? Is this Apple's way to Store different? Can Apple focus enough energy on all their products? Is two lines ridiculous or what?
Photo Note: The line on the left side is the 'Mac Line' and the line on the right that stretches all the way down is the iPhone 3G line. Picture taken with iPhone.
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Is the iPhone 3G Bad for Mac?
Definitely a very poor sales experience for would-be Mac buyers, I can't believe Apple, Rich Johnson in particular, would tolerate it after how much time and effort they've spent building the brand rep around haut-satisfaction. Crazy. Don't understand it.
don't feel bad. at least you have a store with phones. around here, we have no apple stores, and have to rely on att. I went to my local att store on the 12th, and not only were they sold out, they had no idea when the next shippment was coming!!! so, I was "forced" to order a phone, and wait. I have already received an email stating that my phone is "back ordered" (whatever that means) and I am sitting here wondering what the hell is going on. I am "upgrading" from my BB, and I am really wondering if I made a mistake.
Be happy to wait for 5 hours and go home with your new toy. Here in Europe it's completely sold out on friday only on reservations. Shops had an average of 10 to 15 iphones received for the launch... A next shipload is expected in 3-6 weeks, not days...
Seeing the waiting lines in the US and still having the iphones in stocks... guess US is more important for apple then Europe.
At least they were smart enough to make two lines. The Chandler Mall Apple Store in AZ had one single line. My old laptop crashed the same weekend as my home desktop (both PC's) so I figured it was time to upgrade everything. I would have had to wait 3 hours just to get into the store. Apple is lucky because the Best Buy next door has an Apple setup. We went there instead and were in and out. Needless to say, this fanboy's love for Apple was dimmed a little after this past week. i never thought I'd have to tell Apple to get their crap together.
@dalh, I think Apple took the following approach:
1) They weren't entirely sure exactly what demand would be like in Europe. Thye knew it would be big, but I don't think ANYBODY expected the international demand to be this high, right off the bat.
2) I think Apple had a relatively good idea about the high level of demand in the US.
3) The US market is what allowed there to be an iPhone 3G in the first place. You take care of your base customers and THEN expand. iPhone is a viable product without Europe, it isn't a viable product without the US.
4) If demand is lower than anticipated in Europe and you have shipped a ton of iPhones over there, its much more expensive to have shipped them to Europe and then back to the US. Since all European iPhones have to be shipped from the US anyway, its much easier to have extra iPhones in the US and then ship them over to Europe if need be.
I understand its frustrating, but its a US product, you have to expect that they're going to take care of the US market, it just makes more sense. You'll get your iPhone in time. You don't hear Americans complaining when it takes 6 months to get the newest BMW while they're all over Europe.
It may look "bad" for Apple and I agree a more fluid process for things like activations needs to be the norm but think about what these lines are doing --
Name one other store other that the big box stores when the sell gaming consoles around Christmas or nearly every store the day after Thanksgiving. I can't even begin to number the times I have seem either a national news show like the Today show or a local news affliate reporting on the iPhone lines. Don't you know what these are? FREE advertising for Apple! The die hard fans don't mind waiting in line and it gets the attention of everyone else that this is something different.
It's like the Soup Nazi on Seinfeld where people would wait in line to have the best soup in town and yet have to endure the pefectionist owner.
I agree! I went to the Fashion Island, Newport Beach store, and although the non-iPhone line was much shorter, once I got into the store, I left after playing with the product(s) I was thinking of buying... I'll do it online instead.
Maybe Apple should have give beepers to people in line just like restaurants. Or they should require us to wear trendy black clothes with blondes in arm. Only then, would the bouncers allow us in and cut the line... perhaps?
When I was on line on launch day, the store I visited (Burlington, MA) had the long line for the iPhone, but once the store opened for its regular business hours, they let non-iPhone customers just walk in and shop as normal. In fact they probably only let about 8 iPhone purchasers in the store at once -- 4 or so were actively being put through the purchase process and another 4 on a short line behind them, where they could read the license agreements on nearby Macbooks. Only a tiny sliver of the store was taken up by iPhone sales, so I don't see how it would have been a bad purchase experience for any other customers if all stores were set up that way. In fact the guy behind me on line also needed to buy an iPod Touch for his fiancee, so while we were still waiting outside the store, he hopped off the line, went into the store and came back with it in just a few minutes.
Why would anyone show up at an Apple store to buy a mac within the first few days of an iPhone release!! Not too smart!!
I think this is a pretty ridiculous complaint.
First of all, the success (bringing new users into the mac market), and the apparent success (seeing hundreds of people in line) of the iP3G is going to be great for the Mac. Despite short-term inconveniences in the store, this will do nothing but drive up Mac sales. I can't imagine potential converts arriving and being turned-off by an overwhelming (if over-hyped) demand swamping the store ("honey, let's get out of here. Their products are just TOO popular")
As far as problems at the Apple Store during the first week of rollout, well, that's just going to happen. My Apple Store (The Domain, Austin) had a 5 hour iPhone line but they seemed to be letting non-iPhone customers in pretty regularly. Inside the store, it was a madhouse. I actually wouldn't have been surprised if the store had temporarily stopped "regular" business for a day or two just to expedite iPhone orders, or at least (as was your experience) trying to keep the non-iPhone crowd small enough for them to keep track of who was who. There were lots of things that could have been done better.
@WatersWest I was thinking exactly the same thing. It's like hearing 10 reports about massive traffic jams on a highway, ignore those reports and just go out and drive up that highway ending up being totally stuck and complaining you can't get where you want to go. And besides that, who still buys tech stuff in a physical shop? Order the damn stuff online. I even order my shoes online nowadays.
This iPhone 3G thing is SO poorly handled. When I bought the first iPhone (first night it came out in Clarendon, VA), it took me 4 minutes. I went this morning to the Apple Store in Fair Oaks VA at 8:15am. I was 12th in line. They must have started selling at 7:30. I waited an hour (remember, 12th in line) only to be work my way to first in line when they "ran out". They must have only had about 20 phones in stock, but 50+ people in line. Third grade math could figure out that most of the people wouldn't get one. But they seemed totally fine with me standing in line for an hour only to be sold "sorry, you need to come back later". Why couldn't they just be forward and say "hey, from this point back you may not get one," then I could take my chance to continue standing in line. By the way, 10 minutes before being told to leave, a another "associate" told me they had plenty of stock. In order to see a Mac, you also had to have an escort.
Apple really screwed this up and they are going to take a loyalty hit on this. There's no point in going to the Apple Store anymore, I'm just buying everything online.
I have to say, I've been a loyal Apple guy for 5 years, but this was one of the most disrespectful consumer experiences I've ever had.
I went to the Apple store on Friday but the line was over 300 long and I didn't have time to wait that day.
Saturday morning I went a couple hours early to the AT&T store and it was great. The manager came an hour and a half before they opened and told us how they would handle everything. He then went in and counted his stock, made a note for every phone they had, then passed the notes out to each one of us so that we wouldn't be waiting in line if they ran out.
It was really professional and I was pleasantly surprised. But it may have more to do with the store manager and not necessarily AT&T.
Well, then i'm lucky enough, because yesterday I was standing in line with just some eight people ahead of me. I was in a Telcel Customers Service Center in Ensenada, Mexico.
Friday was a crazy day to try to get an iPhone 3G, and i expected this monday to face something like that, but to my surprise it was not.
In just 30 minutes I was talking with a sales person and got an estimate for 8GB/16GB iPhone 3G.
I believe iPhone 3G is, potentially, a very bad move for Apple, but not so much for experiences like yours. I had a similar experience, and I am pretty disenchanted with Apple. However, I believe the weakest point now is the instability of the 2.0 software. Both my iPhone 3G and iPhone 2G (that I passed on to my boyfriend, updated with 2.0) keep crashing for no reason. We have tried all the fixes: restarting the phone, syncing again, uninstalling the applications and downloading them again, etc.
I did have one or two problems with previous firmwares when I was using my iPhone 2G, but it was never this bad.
The danger for Apple lies in the fact that thousands of people are having these bad experiences going to the store to buy their phone, and, on top of that, getting an expensive phone that does not deliver fully. I must acknowledge, I LOVE Super Monkeyball and other new additions, but the fact that the phone is SLOW, sometimes non-responsive, crashes, and it even reboots on its own, makes me think that this massive approach to business is making Apple look more like its nemesis, Microsoft. This is a lot worse than Vista, whether we want to face it or not!!! Oh... and the battery... I feel like I need to be anchored to the dock... which by the way I had to buy separately because it was not included anymore... Apple is evil!! Even more than Microsoft!
This is obviously due to fire code capacity laws. You can't just let 1000 people in a tiny store. Once you reach a certain capacity you have to count customers. When some leave some more can come in. There is no solution Apple can have other than get bigger stores, which seems silly given this is a temporary event. As to the issue about them being crowded other times, they might be, but the fire inspector is probably more likely to show up when the crowds are all over the news... :)
Still waiting for my phone to get shipped through "Direct Fulfillment" from AT&T... I keep checking to see if it has shipped yet, sometimes it has a 1 in the backorder column, sometimes not. It's driving me mad! Maybe I should just go to the store and see if they have any... After waiting 3 hours on Friday and being seven or eight back from the last "winner" at my AT&T store, I didn't try again!
I figured I might get lucky with this direct fulfillment thing, but it doesn't look too promising right now... Anyone else doing this?
(My first post, but been reading this blog religiously for about a month.)
I have been hoping for 3 things to be improved and unfortunately they have not been fully dealt with.
1- You can't set the sound of the alarm for the appointment reminder. You can't set it to vibrate or repeat. Prepare to miss meeting. The Palm beats the Iphone hands down here.
2- You can't sort your contacts by company. Again, the Palm wins.
3- A find feature has been added to the contact list and is helpful. Unfortunately it doesn't search the note field. So if you have a contact and list a note like doctor, electrician, plumber, etc. and can't remember the name, tough luck.
Hopefully the open app feature will get these issues resolved.
The people buying Macs were lucky. At my neighborhood at&t store, the personnel weren't allowing any CURRENT at&t customers in the store. They had to wait on the IPhone line to get in to do their business. So, let me understand this, if I had to pay my at&t bill, or had trouble with my existing phone, i have to wait on a 6 hour line to get serviced?
Gee, not only was at&t screwing potential customers (with a 6 hour wait), they were screwing EXISTING customers. I have alot to look forward too as a new at&t customer.
But I did get my white 16 gb iPhone on Friday!! Yeah! After a 6 hour wait (and I was only the 25th person on line).
Clearly, The iPhone 3G will sell more Macs - tons of them - as people become aware of how good Apple products are.
The iPhone is part of the Apple ecosystem with each part supporting the other parts.
I got my Iphone 3g at the mall at short hills in NJ. I only waited for maybe 45 minutes on Sunday, around 5 pm... I have been using BB for 3 years, and I have to admit, I do like an iPhone, however they have a long way to make it better....
A Suggestion, if I may?
Start with the battery life.... Does not last for 24 hours... debating whether I should keep it.... or just stick with my BlackBerry
I went to the ATT store at the mall in Carlsbad Calif on Saturday morning around 1030. there was only one person in line in front of me, and they were only letting you in once a person left the store, I waited about five minutes. when i got in and talked to a sales rep. He went about getting all my information and then he told me that they were sold out and I would have to wait between seven and ten business days to receive my phone. they gave me a receipt and a web page to check on the status of my order, but every time I go to check it the system says there is no information on my order. I am just glad that i didn't wait 3-4 hours in line to be told that they were out of stock.
Dude! I understand it can be excruciating but be thankful u live in a place where there are Apple stores. I live in South Africa, where there is a thriving creative community and world-class standard advertising and design but despite the devotion to macs for years and years, the only way to get a mac is to order one through an authorised retailer, which up until the last few years were very very very very rare. I ordered an iMac back in 2000 and had to wait three months for the thing to arrive and go through clearance and all sorts of things. No kidding! I'd kill to be able to have to only wait five hours... sob!
Sorry, but your question is silly, and I'm surprised you asked it. I mean, it's almost like your whining about one experience at one Apple store during the release of one product (a huge product) then somehow extrapolating the experience company wide asking if their sales will hurt.
Its like asking if the long lines at the World series will hurt baseball.
Couldn't you have waited a day or two?
Check the e-mail address you gave to the rep you when you ordered the phone. You will get an e-mail from iCare or something like that. There will be an order number in that e-mail which you need to use. The one on the receipt doesn't work. I ordered on Friday and didn't receive an e-mail until Sunday, so it may not be there yet. But, don't worry, once you check the status, you'll see that it's on backorder.
Why would anyone wait in line at all for any phone? It's ridiculous how far society has fallen.
To the blogger: "I could have gone to the AT&T store only a few blocks away but whenever Apple releases a new product I prefer the full Apple experience at an Apple Store (Brea, CA); it's just more complete that way."
I hope you're joking about the "Apple experience"...otherwise you're just stupid. Hopefully, somehow, the iphone will rekindle natural selection processes. Sure hope so, anyone willing to wait in line for the next gadget is the new definition for shallow.
I did receive the e-mail from icare on Sunday. But every time I try to look up my status it says it cant find any information about my order, I have tried all of the different methods on that dropdown menu. So i give up, I will just wait until I get a call from the AT&T store, Thanks for the tip though.
I went to 4, I repeat, FOUR, different Apple stores yesterday (yes, the benefits of living in the sf bay area) and all of them had the two separate lines. And I refuse to wait in another line after waiting in line for the iPhone on Friday morning. I think I'll just wait until this weekend for the lines to die down.
All I want is a iPhone compatible car charger....waaahhhhh! And maybe another case....who knows, that's why I just want to browse around the apple store and see things that I never knew I NEEDED!...but I guess I can't do that until these lines go away.
@Dan, Go away!
One more thing, people saying thatthe lack of inventory for the iPhone is bad for sales is an erroneous critique. Look at the Nintendo Wii. When demand is always present, hype will continue to build and it's usually good for sales.
On another note, I was a BB user for 3 years and was going to wait for the Bold but I think that there's no way the Bold will even compare to the iPhone.
I forgot to tell you about the store zip code, sorry about that... Same thing I've had in the backorder column since Sunday... The value in the keeps going from 1 to 0, and I get my hopes up. Then it changes back to 1. I think it keeps changing when they get phones in, and then when they run out it changes back...
Hope you get yours soon. I'm hoping for tomorrow, but realistically I'm thinking I won't get mine until Friday or beyond...
P.S. To the bloggers, I love this site... Keep up the great work!
Check out this forum. Everyone in the same situation as you and me is posting here. Lots of info about what is going on, even a guy who works in the AT&T warehouse has been posting here.
I'm not sure of the rules, so if I'm not supposed to enter links, just let me know and I will refrain in the future.
thanks for the web page, I read a few pages of it and it looks like everyone is having the same problem, i just checked my status and the phone went back to a zero, but the freight stayed the same. I also just called the AT&T number and it said that both were back ordered. So much for their up to date information, no wonder all these orders are screwed up, Thanks again for the web page
Well I called my AT&T store just now to ask if they had any 8 gig phones in and he said the they were back ordered, If I ordered one it would take between 10-20 business days to get it. He told me that people that had ordered there phones on Tuesday were getting calls today that there phones were in. I told him that i ordered my phone on Saturday and why haven't i got a call, He put me on hold and came back and said my phone wasn't in yet, and asked me if there was any problem with my order?
(how am i supposed to know, I have the receipt for it) and then he said that a big shipment is coming in tomorrow and that mine will probably in it. (yeah right)and I will get a call tomorrow morning from my sales person... We'll see...
Today, July 18 2008 I showed up at the Culver City Apple Store at 9:30am, the store opened at 10:00am. There were only 10 people in line but the manager came out and stated they had NO phones in stock and didn't know if they were going to get a delivery. To make a long story short, I waited til 10:00am and had put my name down to save my spot, and about 10:10am the manager stated they received 25 phones. I was out of the store by 11:30am with my black 16 gig Iphone.
I ordered mine on Friday at 11:30am, 8gb, and I got a message saying mine shipped yesterday!!! But, it looks like AT&T randomly gave some people priority overnight shipping on their phone, while others got standard overnight... right now, my phone is about 20 minutes away from my house/AT&T store, sitting in a sorting facility and won't be delivered until MONDAY because I didn't get priority shipping by AT&T... now I have to wait 2 extra days... Makes me sad :'-(
NICE ONE Dan!
If ONLY you lot put as much effort and emotional investiture as trying to obtain what is becoming such a sh!t despised renown train wreck of a product ("Mobile" with non existent battery life - THE IRONY ROTFLMAO!!!)into society and helping others instead of seeking such dumb superficial, and ephermeral buzz making (instead of long term emotional well being) selfish pleasure just think about the relative nivrana society could have been.
But there lies the problem...asking you to "think" with your level of superficiality - you wouldn't be degrading humanity with your embarrassing cult following if you possessed such an ability - you are no different from religious fanatics except at least they have some excuse - there is more chance they had NO choice about joining their cult being brainwashed by their parents beliefs as susceptible kids.
Also it SPEAKS volumes that the UK lines WERE 100% MEN not ONE WOMAN in those queues :o .....
The main problem is with store managers. They decide how to handle the lines and some are great at it, and some blow. If you had a bad experience at a store, it's not apple or AT&T's fault, it was the manager that was in charge of that store. (it's apples fault for under estimating) This is why we have posts saying they had a good experience and some saying they had a bad one. You said "The Store employee gave me the excuse that the lines served as a safety precaution but the Apple Store looked pretty empty." In your situation a good manager would have let mac people in the store up to capacity figuring in the few iphone customers actually in the store so you could play with the product your about to buy instead of staring at the back of someone's head. safety precaution?? we're gadget freaks not barroom brawlers. that store is run by a bunch of morons!
I would like to tell my AT&T/Apple iPhone story.....I had one in my hand(s) but couldn't buy it. I was so close.
I waited -- first for the new one....even though I needed a phone 3 months ago. I waited for the frenzy to subside a bit, so I wasn't waiting hours in line.
I was there - at the front - inches away from purchasing, having, using a coveed iPhone.
helpful Apple person: "hi - who is your current cell phone provider? AT&T. Phone number?.....ya di da...
I am sorry you have a "URG" number on your account - we cannot sell you a phone. You must go to a corporate AT&T store or call their customer service..... Next..."
ME: Help - excuse me....what. I am here to purchase an iPhone - MY iPhone that I have been longing for - for months. I am ready to upgrade my AT&T service, add data and to sign a new 2 year contract. :) I am here - I am ready to BUY.....please explain.
nice Apple person....Sorry, it has been our experience that if you have "URG" code on your plan that you have a discount associated with your account and we cannot add an iPhone for you. You must talk to AT&T. Next.
ME -- but they don't have phones.....you have phones...NOW. They would make me wait for weeks - they must be ordered. You have a phone now - today and I am at the front of the line. I am ready to give you my money, upgrade my service and my two year committment of more money!!!
nice Apple person ....Sorry, you must talk to AT&T.
ME: --- not a happy girl! I call AT&T from the Apple store....I don't want to leave - they say they will hold a phone for me if I can get this worked out.
AT&T tells me: Yes, you have a tiny weenie discount $14/month on your phone account with your family. Oh, it isn't on your phone - it is on your husband's phone. But yes, the nice Apple person is right, you must remove the discount from your account before you can purchase an iPhone. We can re-add the discount after purchase, but it will take one to two billing cycles for the discount to reappear. No, we cannot backdate the discount. You will lose potentially $28. And by the way, we cannot guarantee how long it will take for the discount to come off your account so that you can purchase the iPhone...could be 30 seconds, could take as long as 24 hours.
The only other option is to go to the AT&T store and order your phone from them....
ME: THEY DON'T HAVE PHONES!! I am in line - at the front of the line -- I am inches and a "URG" code away from being an iPhone owner/user extrodinaire.
Okay, the discount is on my husband's phone?! How
bout if I set up my own account?
Well in order for us to do that there would be an $18 transfer charge and we would have to have your husband approve the change.
ME: not a happy, AT&T customer....."forced" to go to the AT&T store, wait weeks for a iPhone. I can't even break my account off. This is absurd. I would need my husband permission to transfer off. Isn't this the liberated year of the woman! I can set up my own account but I cannot port my number.....
All of the above equals a very unhappy, frustrated AT&T customer, with NO iPhone. Hence, I write.
Dear AT&T -
I am about as unhappy a customer as you can get! I have been loyal to you through the years....@ 10yrs....
Because my spouse works very closely with you and your future technologies - we receive a little $14/mo. discount on our cell phone plan. I appreciate the discount - but I don't appreciate the monopoly you have created with regard to the sale of the iPhone.
- I have been left with the option of waiting for weeks by ordering a phone thru you.....
- Losing $28 in discount....and it's not the money that bothers me. It is the 2 30-50minute phone calls that it will take for me to remove the discount...and then the second call to put the discount back on. It is the funny look that my husband will give me for the hassle.
If I walked into the Apple store and smiled at the nice Apple person and said.....I would like an iPhone and I am a new AT&T customer....I would be using an iPhone today.
Where is the logic in turning away....new data business - a new 2 year contract. Mr. Business Man, Corp. America...where is the logic in turning away a customer -with money in hand?
All this happened a week ago -- I still don't have an iPhone - I still want to buy an iPhone. But thanks to corporate run-around non-sense....I haven't had the gumption to go for it again. those new blackberry's thru Verizon are looking real tempting..... and btw, please don't threaten me with the "service contract fee".....I am long beyond that. Just fix this mess
Kind regards,
Dear Steve Jobs!
How are you? I feel as if I know you since I have been a loyal Apple customer since the first MacIntosh.
I didn't buy the first iPhone - sorry, my husband convinced me that I should wait for version 2. Here I am trying to buy version 2. Please read above. What a mess of corporate bureacracy. I am confident that when you set up this corporate deal with AT&T and this latest launch - you wouldn't have agreed to this.
I have this confidence because I know you want to attract the "enterprise business customer." The new apps offered with the phone and the ability to make enterprise level upgrades etc. You want the corporate "Blackberry" business.
If you are courting business from the "business community" why wouldn't you make it easier for us with a business discount to get this new toy in our hands?
I am a recruiter - I talk to technolgy people all day long - I don't think you want me telling my iPhone corporate bureaucratic story.....ease of use, ease of interface, streamline, efficiency. I think all of these adjectives are/were part of the plan. Unfortunately, not my experience.
Steve, please look into this problem. It is a corporate disservice....it is making you look bad.**
We want the phone - but how much pain will we endure to get it?
**PS> 2 people in line behind me - just that day - in that same store. Had the same "URG" code issue. One guy had gone to the AT&T store to have his "discount removed". He was red-faced and panting 'cause he had rushed back and was trying to get a phone before they ran out again.
It is more common than you think. I am just a little business woman - potentially the corporate decision maker of tomorrow. Certainly, the household decision maker today.
Thanks Steve - I know you will do the right thing. Isn't that why you went back to Apple - ?
Kind regards,
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The Meade 905 Variable Polarizing Filter tremendously reduces glare when you're looking at the moon. It uses two Polarizer filters mounted in a specially-machined cell, and all you have to do is turn the thumbscrew on the side to adjust for varying brightness of the lunar surface. Among telescope filters, you won't find anything superior to the Meade #905.
The #905 Variable Polarizing Filter (1.25") greatly reduces glare in Moon observations through its two Polarizer filters mounted in a specially-machined cell. Rotate the thumbscrew on the side of the unit to adjust for varying lunar surface brightness related to Moon phases or scope magnifications. In the telescope filters, variable settings of light transmissions range between 5% and 25% of their original value. The #905 inserts into the diagonal prism followed by the eyepiece. Accepts all 1.25" eyepieces.
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A beautiful mixture of classic and contemporary, this stainless steel CZ eternity band offers elegant style for both men and women. Available in sizes 5 to 13, the ring is just what you need for a wedding band, anniversary ring, commitment ring, and more. The band features a row of 2mm cubic zirconia stones in the center surrounded by a lightly matte finished stainless steel surface. Customize the ring with an engraving inside, for a truly personalized experience. Measuring a full 1/4 inch wide, the ring works for everyday and for special occasions. The durable stainless steel material makes this treasured ring one that will last for a long time to come.
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Hey Dodgers -- thank you!
Last week, while mired in a sleep-deprived stupor, I managed to mistakenly pop my contact lenses into the wrong eyes.
Then, while watching the Dodgers clinch the NL West crown at Chase Field on Thursday, I thought I had vision issues all over again.
First, while the $200+ million Dodgers were celebrating on the diamond, I'm almost certain that dollar bills were flying off their uniforms like the Made of Money Guy in the GEICO commercials. Right?
Then, my eyes must've deceived me again as, hang on, the Dodgers bum rushed the Chase Field pool like the Bushwood caddies during open swim?! Did the "Beat LA" chants really just turn into Ron Burgundy shouts of "Cannonball!"
Turns out, dollar dollar bills y'all were not flying around, but the disrespect most definitely was in the air on the Diamondbacks home field.
That said, we have two words to say ourselves and the second word is "You." OK, ready? Hey, Dodgers: "Thank You."
That's right. Without the Dodgers this season, the "D" in D-back has stood for -- Dull.
With all due apologies to the XL season turned in by #GoldschmidtHappens, if you take away the Basebrawl Battle Royale at Dodger Stadium, the D-backs front office enforcing a dress code for LA fans rocking Dodger Blue behind home plate, and now the Dodgers turning the D-backs' ballpark into a water park, what other memorable moments are we left with?
Can't remember, you say? Exactly. And that's your answer -- a lot of mundane (read: forgettable) baseball.
In 2013, the D-backs weren't good and they weren't bad. Honestly, they were a 3-wood. A safe option off the tee box. Wont' get you beat, but won't vault you atop the leaderboard, either.
Who knew that I'd miss Justin Upton. Not necessarily his brand of ball, but his ability to generate storylines. To be an intriguing and compelling character. Not to mention that J-Up somehow turned every at bat, heck, every fly ball as well, into must-see TV. And how many current D-backs can we say that about?
In hindsight, the D-backs' new mascot shouldn't be a bare-chested wrestler wearing a mask. It should be the Maytag repairman. Some guy waiting for something to happen, just like the AZ fans did all season.
And that's why we don't say "Beat LA." Instead, we're chanting "Praise LA." I mean, think about it, we're already looking forward to 2014.
With next season pitting the D-backs against the Dodgers in a season-opening series that will be played in Australia, we're figuring the marketing slogan will be: "All Fired Up Down Under."


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The Japan Center operates the activities of the Florida-Japan Linkage Institute, the Jikei-American Center , the UWF Japan House and the Japan-America Society of Northwest Florida.
The Center also executes credit and non-credit Japanese language instructions. Additionally, the Center plays an active role in promoting the sister-state relationship between the state of Florida and the prefecture of Wakayama in Japan as well as promoting the sister-city relationship between the city of Pensacola in Florida and the city of Gero in Japan.
The Florida-Japan Linkage Institute works toward strengthening mutual understanding and cooperation between the people of Florida and Japan through the promotion of educational, cultural, economic and policy relations.About FJLI
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Thanks to Jon Shuler for helping us document our meeting in video and photos. Here's a short that he put together with Juliana about our annual meeting last weekend that was facilitated by Allen Gunn of Aspiration Tech.
Annual Strategy Meeting II from Ushahidi on Vimeo.
What is Ushahidi?
Ushahidi is non-profit tech company that specializes in developing free and open source software for information collection, visualization and interactive mapping via the mobile phone and web. We builds tools for democratizing information, increasing transparency and lowering the barriers for individuals to share their stories. We are willing to try, and sometimes fail, in the pursuit of changing the traditional way that information flows.
Though the tech space that we're in seems to be a moving target, our mission and vision has stayed true to form for the past two years. We took the time to boil it down to the quote above.


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2007 marks a busy year on the road for the McFarlane Toys staff. You never know where we may turn up next. Here's a look at some of the notable events coming up. If you're in the neighborhood, stop by and say hello!
The 32nd Sportcard and Memorabilia Expo
May 4-6, 2007
Toronto International Centre, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
McFarlane Toys will be exhibiting at Canada's national sportcard and collectibles event bringing along our newest action figures with a special emphasis on our hockey toys.
MLB All-Star FanFest
July 6-10, 2007
Moscone Center West, San Francisco, CA
McFarlane Toys will be attending the MLB All-Star FanFest this July, displaying recent releases and baseball prototypes. We will also have two Bay Area baseball exclusive action figures for sale. The exclusives will be Barry Bonds in the debut of a new sculpt painted in San Francisco's 2007 road grey uniform and Reggie Jackson who will be repainted n the yellow A's uniform of the 1969 team, which was Jackson's best year in Major League Baseball.
San Diego Comic Con
July 26-29, 2007
San Diego Convention Center, San Diego, CA
The McFarlane Companies will be exhibiting at this year's convention in the same booth space as last year, #2601. We will be displaying all of our latest and greatest prototypes and products along with our newest comic releases.
NFL Hall of Fame
August 3-5, 2007
Pro Football Hall of Fame Museum, Canton, OH
McFarlane Toys will have a booth at this year's HOF Induction Weekend with a special exclusive for sale - Jim Brown which will be a repaint of his NFL Legends Series 2 figure featuring the Browns' white uniform of 1957, Brown's rookie year in the NFL.
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Google Calendar found a way to separate old events from upcoming events: old events are now grayed out. The interface also grays out future recurring events because it's likely that they're less important (this was an experimental feature in Google Calendar Labs).
If you don't like the new features, it's easy to disable them: go to the "Options" menu from Google Calendar's navigation bar, select "Calendar settings", go to the "Event dimming" section and disable these two options: "Dim past events" and "Dim recurring future events".
Google says that the brightness of these events is reduced "so you can focus on today", although you'll be able to better focus on the future, as well.
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After a little over three years, Jake Shields' UFC run has come to an end.
source: http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/4/7/...s-jake-shieldsThe former welterweight contender has been released by the promotion, his manager Lex McMahon of Alchemist Management confirmed with MMAFighting.com.
McMahon released the following statement to MMAFighting.com Monday morning:
"Jake Shields has been released by the UFC. Jake appreciates the opportunities provided by the UFC and thanks Dana White and Lorenzo Fertita. Jake is an elite athlete who is one of the best welterweight fighters in the world with a long history of winning at a championship level.
"Jake and our team are already exploring options. I'm confident that Jake will have a new promotion to call home very soon. Jake thanks his fans for their support and looks forward to competing for them again soon."
Shields (29-7-1, 1 NC) most recently lost a unanimous decision to Hector Lombard at UFC 171 last month. The loss snapped a four-fight unbeaten streak for the 35-year-old. He made his Octagon debut at UFC 121 in Oct. 2010, defeating Martin Kampmann via split decision. His next fight was against Georges St-Pierre for the UFC welterweight title at UFC 129 in what is still the highest-grossing event in the organization's history. Over 55,000 people attended the event at the Rogers Centre in Toronto, and the gate was over $12 million. Both remain records.
Shields, who made his MMA debut in 1999, is a former EliteXC welterweight champion and Strikeforce middleweight champion. Arguably his highest-profile win came when he defeated Dan Henderson on CBS. He signed with the UFC following that win and went 4-3 with 1 no contest inside the Octagon.
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Hi All. Just wanted to say hello and post this pretty picture. Wouldn't you love to have a room like this dedicated solely to the art of arranging flowers and plant care?
I also want to explain why I haven't been around much. Within the last two weeks, two members of my extended family have been diagnosed with very serious forms of cancer. I haven't felt much like blogging.
What I have been up for is some mindless pinning. Not sure when the mood will strike again to post, but until then, see you on Pinterest?


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Forget sharks and other creepy creatures of the sea! River Monsters host Jeremy Wade uncovers tons of fearsome freshwater fish that will have you second-guessing your dip in the lake! Take the Wolf Fish an aggressive killer that terrorizes fishermen in South America. Are you always on the search for a big catch, if so help your fishing mojo with this River Monsters Wolf Fish t-shirt. The soft, navy crew neck shirt features the Killer Wolf Fish, with scientific name and origins and warns to Be Afraid of these River Monsters!
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Let them know they are in your thoughts with a gift of sweet indulgence. Our signature petit four cakes are just as delicious as they are beautiful. The cakes are decorated in pastel chocolate draping with whimsical, hand-iced designs, and feature a sublime taste that will immediately lift their spirits.
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