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Originally posted by fat_taddler
i was a bit skeptical when it came out to trying rift but thanks to raptr rewards i got the base game and 30 days free .so i tried it out and i am having a blast .much better than gw 2 grind treadmill .
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Originally posted by lotaparty
Seriously Grind Treadmill? Umm exactly what is Raiding in RIFT? Grinding Treadmill. Thats right.
ALL MMOS starting from level one. Are grinding treadmills End of story. If you dont like to Adventure for new treasure/gear that will improve your character why bother playing these games?
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Originally posted by fat_taddler
Say what??
I already felt the rinse and repeat of Rifts the first day i played the game.They happen in the same spots albeit there are several spots.They feel exactly the same from one to the next.I have not been able to play Rift past day 3 on three attempts and yet i got way too far in those 3 days like i really had it easy.
Gw2 events are also not DYNAMIC ,they are pre rendered content/quests that simply need triggers to advance,absolutely no different than a normal quest,the ONLY difference is they keep the next part usually invisible,but as far as code goes,it is still there waiting for a trigger to be met.Both games so called dynamic content will repeat over and over.
Neither game does REAL Dynamic events and i think most know what a real dynamic event is.It would be a one time deal,only to repeat perhaps the next year at same time or during a holiday seasonal event.Even the seasonal events in all games are usually rinse and repeat from the previous year,sometimes games add one or two new items to each repeating holiday event,however the actual event is usually the same assests.
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Originally posted by lotaparty
Give it a couple weeks. While I am somewhat dissapointed by GW2, I Have sunk over 400 hours and am still playing. Rift on the other hand gave me a couple weeks before I realized how linear it was. By the OP's idea of dynamic then I would say Rift trumps GW2 because yes the rifts are not triggered and do not appear to spawn in the same location due to how wide spread they are. I can tell you that they still spawn in the same spots though because I remember them taking over the same exact places everytime I ran an alt through the zone. I can say this without a doubt because Rifts is one of the most linear leveling experiences I have ever had in a game and after a few characters did the same zones it wasn't hard to figure out when and where the rifts were.
Yet by my understanding of the events in GW2 as well as the way they were always explained, I feel I get a more dynamic feeling out of GW2. They are both themeparks so lets not play like we really expected truely dynamic content because that's not really thinking realistically. I think we can just agree to disagree.
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Agree with OP, didn't find GW2's all that different from regular quests.
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Originally posted by fat_taddler
Try the Secrets in the Swamp in Queensdale. In my research efforts I'm still unable to learn how to trigger all sub events so I can fight the Shadow Behemoth. You know the Boss spawns there, but you don't know how or when it would spawn, just as you know that a spot in Telara spawns a Rift, but you don't know when.
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Originally posted by fat_taddler
GW2s content could be more dynamic yes, but Rifts is nowhere near. Opening up the same rifts and invasions over and over kinda feels like having 5000 kill 10X quests and state they are all very different.
Asherons call felt more dynamic to me than Rift.
I dont know if you even can make "truly dynamic content" without having GMs run everything.
GW2s dynamic content can surely be a lot better and I assume it will be with time, I would love personal DEs based on you (and where you are in the story) instead of where you are for example. Some nightcourt sylvaris jumping my ranger, a thiefguild that got upset on my thief, or a fellow noble sending assasins, or try to force me to vote with him in the council spawning anywhere (but being downleveled just like me) would be really cool.
Some bosses with more random abilities would also be nice.
There is plenty more GW2 can do, but Rift is no good example here.Rift is a very well made game but it still is a regular MMO with a little dynamic content to spice it up at times.
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Originally posted by fat_taddler
This point actually dampened your credibility. An event that pops up that is the same everytime, even if it you cannot tell when it will occur, is not dynamic by definition. If left unchecked, the same thing will happen; only in GW2 can "events" move in different paths depending on the actions chosen by the people involved. It'd be folly to call either truly dynamic at its core, but I'd certainly pick one that has differing objectives and thousands of different outcomes (via thousands of different events) than "Oh, a rift appeared and enemies are spawning again like they have the past few years I've played. Neat."
Though I have been enjoying the new tools in the expansion; been playing Rift moreso than any other game at the moment. To add to the "pro" side of the arguement, player made content may in fact have the potential of being dynamic in nature; you enter an area that a player made, and that player may tend to alter the area every day just out of habbit and you'll never know when, how or why he/she did it.
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Originally posted by Loke666
This has been done before in CoH/CoV... Ambushed when you left one of your instances? I could imagine it could be easility placed in your Story.. Could you imagine you left a story instance, and untill you finished the arc you would be plagued by things from that story spawning outside from time to time.... Good ideas, that have been implemented before. Arena net needs to get on it.
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Originally posted by Vhaln
C'mon Vhaln you know this isn't true. Every single rift on the map always spawns in the exact same location. There are predefined hotspots for rifts.
Neither rifts or invasions, or GW2s dynamic content change the map for longer than the zone event. If no one comes and defeats a major invasion it despawns after a set period of time no greater than one hour.
Why do people spin this shit like no one else knows about it? Is this the best storm legion fans can come up with?
How's this? Rift is total pay to win because if you don't buy the xpac you're essentially douched out of the game despite still paying for a sub. GW2s first event was the worst event I've probably seen in an mmo in forever. Rifts dimensions are buggy and weren't totally thought out. GW2 doesn't have a single engaging system to keep players entertained long term. Trion's outdated P2P model is holding rift back from great success.
There is a ton of good criticism one could make of either game (especially if you play both) that would make interesting discussion and we're making things up that aren't true about dynamic content. Lame.
I'm a little conflicted on this. I really liked Rift, but none of my RL friends wanted to play it so after a few months I stopped without really accomplishing/experiencing too much of it
GW2 on the other hand, I had an enormous amount of fun for the first month, but I was in the same no friends wanna play it situation, AND I pretty much felt like I had experienced pretty much all the game had to offer(every dungeon on story/explorer, countless hours in wvwvw, 4 80s)
I think they're both good games but I think I'd almost have to vote for Rift in this, just because I wasnt able to plow thorugh everything the game had to offer
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Why is everyone so focused on the dynamic events only. If you truly want to look at both games dynamics then you cannot just brush aside GW2's dynamic leveling system as well. Anyone can pop into WvW and enjoy it because of the dynamic leveling system as well as the zones. If I am level 80 and my friend just starts I can go to his starting zone and run with him without any problems because of the way dynamic leveling works with the zones in GW2. So now ginving that information I would say GW2 hands down offers much more in the department of dynamic game play. Rift has nothing to compete with this side of the dynamic discussion.
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Originally posted by Soraksis
This isn't a very good argument against Rift...
Rift has a mentoring system that lets you scale down as you please I believe. So it's optional if someone wants to scale down to play with their buddies. GW2 it is mandatory if you go down to lower zones.
Both methods have pros and cons associated with them.
Btw I don't know how the scaling works that well in Rift, as I haven't played the game when that was implemented. I just know of it.
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OMFGGGGGGGGGG.. Both Rift and GW2 use computer code to create their events.. NONE of them are truely random created content.. They are all FIXED once they are popped.. The only thing random is the trigger on both games.. Whether it be the rifts or whatever.. I played Rift and every "Fire" rift in whatever zone is coded the same way.. So depending on how the population zone reacts will effect the outcome.. This isn't much different then GW2 events, other the in Rift they are zone wide events, whereas GW2, they are localized..
I actually like GW2 better because they are scaled to the size of the population (group) doing the event.. Unless things have changed since I quit Rift, once a nasty rift event starts and it's early morning when no one is on, your'e screwed.. It was a no win scenerio in defending the quest hubs and town from rift invasions.. And is you were on at night when the servers are busier, it was a simple ZERGfest with no challenge..
From where I sit.. GW2 events are better.. but we are subjective to what we like and don't :)
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Originally posted by fat_taddler
So you think that Rift is more dynamic because GW2 has a few timed events?
In GW2 there are quest chains where you start off by completing a event, then a new event spawns because of the success or failure of that event in which upon completion a new event begins determined by the success and failure of the previous event, and after the subsequent event is completed a new event will start up depending on the success or failure of that event.
In Rift, the game vomits a bunch of mobs out onto the map and people can team up to defeat the mobs. Exciting stuff. And once you defeated those mobs, the game will vomit more for you until finally the game vomits the big chunky bits and its all over.
GW2 events follow a subplot to the storyline, and each part of the chain allows the player to take part in progressing the story. It would almost be comparable, if the events in Rift had a storyline, but storyline requires creative writers and nobody is accusing Rift of having creativity. I think the creativity in Rift peaked with, we're not in the land of the game we copied anymore.
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I didn't call you a fanboy, and I have no idea about how much gaming experience you have, as your mmorpg account was just made the other day.
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Players have acces to upwards of 50 types of rift lures and trigger them in a persistent world. They range from crafts, puzzles, pvp, raid sized and dozens of bosses that can be summoned.
For the record, i dont think either style of dynamic content can be compared because they deliver it in very different ways. But i do feel that rifts are more player controlled and the option to create objective based pvp in the open world gives rift the edge for innovation.


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Thier main project RA hasn't had a software release since June.
The 1.35 Beta hasn't had an update since September...
It's pretty obvious the only one left are DOC, his sidekick XOOM and some hanger-ongers fambois who get no pay.
Don't buy thsi game you are wasting your money. With no word on when an update is and any attempt to ask them on thier forums gets you banned or the thread locked what other conclusion is there?
Great customer service CRS. No wonder you are hemhorraging subscribers.
They can't even get over medium population even during a special event. Sad. It was such a great game.
Axishatr was just colatteral damage in CRS's war on loyal customers in favor of the twich-gamers.
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I recently fell for the welcome back soldier email they sent me (they spammed my inbox after clicking remove me from your mailing). Its a ghost town. I had trouble with my account immediatley and no one ever responded to my customer ticket. I pm'd xoom and got a horrible unfriendly statement back. Now they are charging my credit card for cancelling a subscription that I couldn't even use.
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Originally posted by antipropa
I'm very curious what your game name is. As Community Manager my first priority is to ensure our people are taken care of, and when it comes to billing matters, that they are resolved rapidly. We have a good track record of responding quickly to discrepencies and/or making up for them.
Based on your continued inaccurate flames against the company and its staff, I'll assume that your position is anti-CRS and WWII Online at all costs. Please contact me via e-mail at email@example.com.
Originally posted by depot12
Our main project is WWII Online. In any company, business, or game there is going to be some folks who do not agree with decisions or prefer things to happen in their way. Where ever we lost you down the road, I'm very sorry.
WWII Online continues to offer a unique experience unlike any other in the online world of gaming to date. If you care about this game, please remember how damaging some of these comments may be to new players perception.
It is clear you were (perhaps still are) a member of our community, thank you for your time there as you were apart of the contributing force that kept us moving. Going to war on our MMORPG forums with the sole mission of destroying our reputation / perception to potential new players is very unfortunate, I hope you decide to reconsider.
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I find it very interesting that I send support tickets and emails and get no response for help on them or with my concerns, but post a few times about my opinion on the game in a remote forum in electronic land and the wwiiol forum "Gestapo" show up.
I am a very unhappy customer that has experienced the things I have stated here on these gamer forums. Your chance to fix any issues with me or my account have expired. I won't be a return customer again.
I am fearful of the lengths this company will go to tape the mouths of those that have been wronged. I imagine that is why there are many people unwilling to come forward with their issues or have simply disappeared from forums in the past. They are scared of the company.
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Originally posted by XOOM-CRS
In all fairness I believe the company was the sole machine that destroyed your reputation. With those that I have been in contact with over the years displeasure always points back to the common denominator.
With that I will leave you be. Stug and you may continue posting the info you see fit to post and the community will gather from it what is needed.
I still suggest that people log in and play to determine their own thoughts about the game. At that time I suggest you revisit this forum and post your thoughts. I hope your time and experience is different then that of myself or my close friends.
EDIT: How many developers are left?
Originally posted by antipropa
Yet, you do not offer to e-mail me directly. You have chosen the route of reputation destruction, with full focus on playing the martyr. There is no attempt here to tape your mouth, but when false accusations that damage peoples lives are spilled in an area where new customers venture, it is important to address them.
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I dont know...
Game has a horrible rep, Company has a horrible rep- But the dude is here trying to help you out and asking for you to contact him.
I certainly think that you should at least be willing to try- I understand being pissed off over not being able to play and then being charged early cancelation BUT a representitive is trying to help you resolve this in some way and you should at least see what happenes going through this channel.
-My opinion for what its worth.
-Personally I feel they are doing their best to try and fix the problems they have brought on themselves- They are offering cheaper subs and F2p now and (evidently) trying to fix customer relations. Too little too late? Perhaps- But they are TRYING and deserve the benefit of the doubt here when someone is also trying to help you out (op)
Originally posted by antipropa
EDIT: How many developers are left?
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Joined: 9/27/12
Originally posted by XOOM-CRS
To be entirely fair, your company seems to do a fine job of that on it's own.
XOOMs attempt to reach out and ask to send him a PM means nothing. DOC has stated publically on the BE forums that there are no plans to roll-back to stable releases, no plan to fix the bugs that have been in the game for almost 2 years (invisible EI, collider), destruction of squads, pre-TOE, and the endless list of broken promises and just bad customer service. XOOM has no power to control any of that. So some of us being bitter and have left and wish to post our experiences so other people don't get suckered the way we got taken advantage of them then be told when things go wrong it's because of the players.
If XOOM and DOC are so right about what the players want then where are the numbers? We always hear how it's a vocal minority asking, warning, PLEADING with you to not take the game in the direction that it was taken. Now you have what you have and 18 person server population. They can't even get numbers folks with F2P. And the ones they do are just cannon fodder for the veterans. XOOM most of us are done and don't really care what you think or are going to do.
Besides if the game is so great and numbers are awesome then why come here and shut us up? Why doesn't your product speak for itself. If people like it, great. Im just here to warn people what they are getting into before they get suckered into another bait and switch by CRS. My opinions are my own. And as long as there are forums to allow me to, I will say what I want to say.
Depot12 - why do you keepl placing completely untrue material in your posts?
18 Players on the server?
Could you please start backing your posts up with facts? You should do yourself what you expect of others, otherwise they are nothing more than fiction and should be locked as per your requests elsewhere.
Thank you.
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Did one of the posters get ELIMINATED from the forums? is the power of CRS really so strong? shall we be living in fear? Btw when he says 18 ppl its a figure of speech [mod edit]...
"Unsure what the status of handling this problem is i thought i'd through out a post about it.
I'm not ruining anyone's reputation I'm just posting publically avaliable information. Go look the thread up.
Go look at lagus.org/webmap Does it say 'Low Population' on the left?
If anything CRS should be looked at by the Better Business Bureau.
Whats the plan for 1.35 release?
So you conmfirm that was 18 players on ONE side....so you DID misrepresent the stat.
So the point then is the game needs more players, not less.
However, I think a more level headed approach would be to find an average and that in my experience is much more than 18.
E.g. 20+ on one mission on one side.
But I guess you would have to play the game to experience that and your current posting style is misrepresentign the game and its population by dealing with the extremes rather than the highs and the averages.
Here is the other side of the coin:
"no BS here when I say...numbers for both sides was excellent, to be even more honost here...OUTSTANDING numbers, and yes due to one side having more than the other by a large margin, a spawn delay kicked in."
So unsuprisingly you are only showing the worst case scenario and distorting the reality of the game to meet your vendetta against the game and its current players.
Originally posted by Bombzaway
No....its him misrepresenting facts whilst painting the game in an undeservedly negative light to meet his vendetta.
Originally posted by Stug
I have no vendedda. As for the exact numbers, you don't know any more than I do because CRS keeps it a secret. They used to show the server population wayback in the beginning. I show my proof of the 18 number and the best you can do is "but but thats on ONE side". OK. Gee. Wow. One side had 18 players. Not exactly "Massive Multiplayer". Like I said if people want to go check out the game go ahead they can confirm for themselves and not have to rely on what me and you tell them.
I'd like to know what LEXFIRE claims "Outstanding" numbers are. If they are so great then what are they? All I hear is "numbers are awesome" and "we are working hard" - yet no hard numbers, and no date for 1.35.
1. What does LEXFIRE call "Outstanding numbers"
2. When is 1.35 being released?
3, How many developers are left?
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Originally posted by XOOM-CRS
Xoom is correct here. I had a billing problem and all I did was post for help on the game's forums and they fixed it within a day plus gave me a month free to play.
As for a ghost town that is just wrong. Like all MMO's if you logg in when ppl are at work then yes the population is low, but when I play on the weekend's and nights I count at least four Large battles going on that are packed with soldiers.
I am a skeptical gamer, I am not getting paid or nod's to say any of this it's just the truth. The game has been running for about 12 years now with many huge updates. I can take out the orignal Large big box the differnce is right there. I only have a few other large boxes, UO, EQ1 and AC.....and I have pretty much every MMO as it's on of my hobbies.
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Originally posted by Hrica
I'm not sure what "packed with soldiers" or "large battles" mean, but when I've logged on the last couple of weeks during primetime CST I've seen at the most around 50 players per side. And those were spread between several AO/DOs, diluting the numbers even further. You're doing good to see a 20 x 20 battle on weeknights. BF3 has consistantly larger battles.
Originally posted by rendus
Man, that's sad. I really wish it wasn't like this it used to be such a great game. Back in the day you could always find some action or make your own.
Hell, I remember the fun just running tank resupply and talking shop with others doing the same thing. Would do resupply all night until I fell asleep in front of the computer. What other game did you have to spawn at a FB and be forced for someone else to drive you to the front in an Opel and actually had fun doing it?
I remember Opel rides were so fun it didn't even matter if you made it into battle. A bunch of guys would be waiting at the FB and an opel would spawn and you didn't know back then if they were a vet or a noob and people would jump on sometimes you made it sometimes you got on a total noob and he crashed out the gate. Thats why they added the green tag - so you wouldn't jump on a newbie's opel.
Battles so big no matter where you looked there were blue tags. Now you got JWBS, FRUs and red squares. How the mighty has fallen. Now it's all RUINED. RUINED. It's sad for the new people and the ones who joined up in the last few years they will never know how much fun it used to be. Those days are gone forever and they will never return. Oh the mighty megasquads. 94th. 31st. 3PzG, megadeth, dinker, haulyou2 and countless others. There all gone. No amount of email to XOOM will ever fix this. Its all gone.


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A month or so ago I reactivated to play some WAR. I said it would be shut down soon. I was right.
WAR is a great game. Sad to see it go. With it gone the only siege games left are GW2 (blah) and Darkfall Unholy Wars (win win! if you can handle full PVP and full loot). Knowing an original Darkfall developer is back the future of DFUW looks great. May be a good time to check it out when WAR's servers are shut down.
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Er, that's about as amazing as predicting that tomorrow will be Wednesday, we've known about the shutdown for awhile.
There are also other siege style MMOs out there, let's see if you can find them.
In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
Daoc might be up your ally, if you can get used to the interface and making binds it actually becomes second nature and not much of a burden. Ps, I'd go with Vampires for your first character, pretty good at solo - has health regenerating properties, increased movement speed and other nifty tricks.
Daoc little video of the Realm vs Realm
3 realms, each fighting against each other, if one gets to strong, generally 2 weak ones will work in temporary alliance to bring them down, goes back and forth.
Realm vs. Realm
Realm versus Realm is the main focus of Dark Age of Camelot. The storyline revolves around what happens after the death of King Arthur and his united kingdom falling apart. Albion, Hibernia, and Midgard are in a three way war against each other and constantly war for control of powerful relics, keeps and towers, as well as control of the entrance to Darkness Falls.
Although each realm's classes differ in specific abilities, DAoC's classes are broken down into the four common RPG archetypes: warrior 'tanks', spell casters, rogues that use stealth, and healing priests. Hybrid classes, which combine skills from any two of the archetypes, also exist in all 3 realms. DAoC's classes are balanced at the RvR level instead of in direct comparison to the other realms' equivalent classes. DAoC classes are very rigid with specific roles, play styles, and specialization point allocations.
Albion: Armsman, Cabalist, Cleric, Friar, Heretic, Infiltrator, Mauler, Mercenary, Minstrel, Necromancer, Paladin, Reaver, Scout, Sorcerer, Theurgist, and Wizard.
Hibernia: Animist, Bainshee, Bard, Blademaster, Champion, Druid, Eldritch, Enchanter, Hero, Mauler, Mentalist, Nightshade, Ranger, Warden, Valewalker, and Vampiir.
Midgard: Berserker, Bonedancer, Healer, Hunter, Mauler, Runemaster, Savage, Shadowblade, Shaman, Skald, Spiritmaster, Thane, Valkyrie, Warlock, and Warrior.
Also you could give Chivalry : Medieval Warfare
Besiege castles and raid villages in Chivalry: Medieval Warfare, a fast-paced medieval FPS (Slasher with a Multi-player online focus) Chivalry: Medieval Warfare is a first-person slasher with a focus on multi-player. Featuring competitive online combat that seeks to capture the experience of truly being on a medieval battlefield.
Siege tutorial, general overview
In game footage, not much siege weapon action in this video, mainly personal combat, if you search around you can find some though
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Joined: 2/14/10
Originally posted by -Zeno-
Yeah lots of people called it right after launch but your timing was better :)
I might try DFUW out again some time but I did enjoy the first one better. . why oh why could they not have just introduced a skill cap! To me it is like they pulled an NGE.
Just a note. your post does seem more like a DFUW ad rather than a WAR comment :)
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This thread isn't really about calling anything. If you look around you will see the OP just wants to advertise Darkfall because his fav dev rejoined the team.
I have an entitlement delusion - because I have this strange idea that my 50$ should have the same value as anyone else's 50$
Originally posted by Dakeru
I believe he is just venting his thoughts on what he will play for PvP, that's why I posted my suggestions about DAOC and Chivalry : Medieval Warfare.
Thoughts on DF since it appears the two posters above me want to make this a Darkfall discussion...
I havn't played DF1 or UW yet, but I've heard from a few vets that it's actually doing alot better, they reduced the grind, and added some sort of prestige levels ( that are still balanced for newbies to be competitive ), and broke the skills into classes and changed the way Transfer spells work..
The only negative things I have heard about it are that Warriors are the only ones who get a fast movement ability like "bunny hopping", which can make them quite tough and obnoxiously living if they choose to run and heal, pepper with arrows, run and heal, swing weapons, don heavy armor, ect.
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Originally posted by ivanj99
Well, since over half of the original post is about DF rather than WAR it is likely to go that way a little bit. I think that DF is a good suggestion for old WAR players but DaoC is good as well if you are not bothered by the dated engine etc. If he meant the thread to just be about him "calling it" then it is just going to be short lived or end up in a flame war. It seemed he was suggesting alternates and only mentioned one so. . pretty sure the OP turned in into a DF thread before we did.
Age of Chivalry is also not bad but not really a persistent type of world is it?
Maybe we need to be crossing our fingers for Camelot Unchained or The Elder Scrolls to offer some good PvP. Mortal Online had some great concepts with poor implementation. Xsyon suffered from too slow development to keep people interested so we likely have to look at these two games or DFUW.
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Originally posted by -Zeno-
Congratulations on predicting a game that has been dying for 4 years would shut down! On a side note, I predict every mmo will eventually close!
Having played DF in beta, launch, and sometime there-after, I fear for it if they are bringing back an 'original' dev. I just remember thinking, "this is what took 8+ years to make? A poorly recreated Shadowbane clone with updated combat", and numerous: 'insert Greek financial crisis jokes', since it launched around that time.
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Elder scrolls can't even get the Lore correct, I highly doubt they are going to do anything meaningfull or innovative, or polished with PvP.
Ever since whoever had been developing the TES series since Oblivion and Skyrim, has made a complete joke and piece of crap, both those Single player games, were tiny, very tiny and restrictive like a themepark compared to the original TES games, not to mention they took hundreds of hours of modding to make Oblivion/Skyrim/Fallout3/New vegas even fun or playable.
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Silly rabbit. I call the closing of Rift, WoW, EQNEXT, ESO,......... I now get credit. They will all eventually close. Some quicker than others. But still, I get the credit, hahahahahaha
Concentrate on enjoying yourself, and not on why I shouldn't enjoy myself.
Originally posted by vmoped
Asheron's Call 1 has been around 17+ years, and was originally developed out of a small house by a team of friends, total original development time was 40 monthes and 8 monthes of beta.
the only reason it didn't boom is because they released at the same time has Sony's EQ1, and every knows the advertising power of Sony.
Check out the AC wiki below, it was so much better of a game then EQ1, just wrong place, wrong time.


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Around 7:30PM EST on Tuesday, December 22, we, forty college students from the Boston area, arrived at JFK Airport. We checked in with trip leaders Eliad and Michal, made conversation with our new peers and prepared to embark on an incredible journey.
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"How often does your principal encourage you to be making paper airplanes," asked Principal Kaiya Korb. She said that prior to the competition on Friday, the skies inside and outside the school were teeming with paper aircraft aloft.
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Life expectancy would grow by leaps and bounds
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Life expectancy would grow by leaps and bounds
if green vegetables smelled as good as bacon.
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Yet another study has come out touting the benefits of adding more servings of vegetables to your diet. Vegetables are now believed to be valuable in keeping the brain young. In the study of 2,000 older Chicagoans, those having two or more servings of vegetables every day showed significantly less mental decline over five years than those who didn't. At Beachbody, we've been saying to eat your vegetables for years. In fact, The Pious Tier on Michi's Ladder, Beachbody's nutrition guide, includes most of the vegetables cited in the study as being especially beneficial. Veggies are loaded with fiber, vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients, and most have practically no calories. What's not to like? Well, for many, the taste.
We can all agree that eating veggies is a good thing. The U.S. Department of Agriculture recommends that you eat five to nine servings each day. The question is how do you choke down those five to nine servings if you don't care for vegetables? And how can you get your friends and family, especially kids, to veg out with you at mealtime without the aid of cheese sauce or a deep fryer? While raw or lightly steamed are generally the best ways to consume most vegetables, some of us may need to get a little more creative to get all those servings down the hatch. Here are some ideas.
Mix and match spices, herbs, and condiments like basil, cayenne pepper, chili powder, cilantro, cumin, dill, garlic, ginger, horseradish, mustard, oregano, rosemary, soy sauce, etc. to add flavor without significantly adding calories. Be creative and experiment with spices that might not immediately come to mind when you think of certain vegetables. For example, a friend of mine, a master of microwave cuisine, sprinkles some frozen cauliflower with nutmeg before she nukes it, with delicious results.
As for the bitter taste, a common mistake that people make is to steam the greens. This actually seals in the bitter juices, making the greens taste even worse. The best way to cook greens is to sauté them in a bit of broth. The bitterness will disperse in the broth, leaving your greens tasting sweeter. Adding something acidic, such as lemon juice, vinegar, or white wine while it is cooking will also cut the bitterness. You can add onion, garlic, or spices to your sauté, which can improve the flavor and add their own nutritional benefits. Greens are also terrific additions to soups or casseroles, but you should blanch the greens for one minute in boiling water before adding them to the main dish to remove most of the bitterness. Like coffee, greens can become an acquired taste, and the more you eat them, the more your palate will become accustomed to, and even enjoy, their unique flavor.
Nonfat yogurt is a great base for healthy sauces. Try mixing some yogurt with mustard to taste for a faux hollandaise sauce for asparagus or broccoli. Tofu is another exceptionally healthy sauce base. My brother gave me a recipe for pureeing soft tofu with garlic, black pepper, lemon juice, Worcestershire sauce, and mustard to make a thick and creamy Caesar dressing. (This solves another dietary dilemma of how to make heart-healthy tofu taste good.) You can double your servings by using vegetables to make sauce for your other vegetables. Make a Spanish romesco sauce out of pureed tomatoes, red bell peppers, garlic, almonds, and olive oilall ingredients from Michi's top two tiers, which combine to make a delicious topping for green beans, kale, or spinach. And, if you don't have time to make an elaborate sauce, just keep some soy sauce, flavored vinegar, lemon juice, Tabasco, and olive oil on hand, and dress your veggies with a couple of dashes of whatever you're in the mood for.
Hopefully, you'll be creatively inspired to try out some new vegetables and some new methods for preparing them. While this article focused mostly on stovetop preparations, you may want to dip into the newsletter archive for articles on "11 Tips for Cooking Out Without Pigging Out" and "10 Simple Ways to Spruce Up Your Salad" for more ideas on preparing vegetables. And if you still can't manage to eat enough vegetables, at least try to take a decent multivitamin every day.
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Study: Associations of vegetable and fruit consumption with age-related cognitive change. M. C. Morris, ScD, D. A. Evans, MD, C. C. Tangney, PhD, J. L. Bienias, ScD and R. S. Wilson, PhD. From Rush Institute for Healthy Aging (M.C.M., D.A.E., J.L.B.), Department of Preventive Medicine (M.C.M., J.L.B.), Department of Internal Medicine (M.C.M., D.A.E.), Department of Clinical Nutrition (C.C.T.), Rush Alzheimer's Disease Center (R.S.W.), Department of Neurological Sciences (R.S.W.), and Department of Psychology (R.S.W.), Rush University Medical Center, Chicago, IL. NEUROLOGY 2006;67:1370-1376.
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LAS CRUCES, N.M. – New Mexico State men's golfer Patrick Beyhan won the 2013 Albuquerque Men's City Amateur Golf Championship, this past weekend with a record-breaking 23-under par, 193 at the Los Altos Golf Course in Albuquerque, N.M.
"Winning this tournament has given me some confidence that I can carry with me into the upcoming fall season with NM State and hopefully be a contributor for my team," Beyhan said. "I had a great week on the golf course and had a lot of fun as well."
Beyhan, a 2010 graduate of La Cueva High School in Albuquerque, carded rounds of 8-under par, 64 in round one, followed by an 11-under par, 61 in round two, finishing the tournament with a 4-under par, 68. He also won the event in 2012.
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Fighting clouds of bugs and hoping clouds of precipitation didn't move in and obscure the view, about 20 Lee County elementary and middle school teachers spent this past Wednesday night stargazing.
The group met up at dusk at Southern Lee High School as local amateur astronomers, as well as professionals from UNC-Chapel Hill's Morehead Planetarium, set up their equipment. There were binoculars which gave a high-definition view of the moon and small telescopes which could go into even greater detail among the night sky. And then there was the telescope so powerful that one could look into it and see a crisp image of Saturn, its individual rings and dots which might've been some of its moons.
"It's real," one teacher said as she stepped away from the telescope. "It's like someone just put up a picture on the lens."
"Wow," remarked another. "That's awesome."
"Until you see it, you don't really realize what's out there," said a third teacher.
Everything was set up thanks to a grant the district received in 2011 to give its 3-8 grade science teachers a better grounding in various topics. This is the third and final summer of the grant, in which teachers are studying astronomy and chemistry, said Carol Chappell, director of K-5 Instruction for Lee County Schools.
Lee County was one of only four districts in the state to have received the three-year, $525,000 grant from the National Science Foundation. Chappell said nearly every elementary teacher and middle school science teacher will be able to participate this year in one of two week-long sessions.
When the district received the grant three years ago, Chappell told The Herald that barely any 3-8 grade teachers teaching science had gotten the chance to seriously study science after leaving college, so even abridged courses like these, which are taught by professors or PhD students from UNC and N.C. State, could do wonders.
One teacher who first started during the first year of the grant said Wednesday night he's sure the summer classes help him do better. Aaron Baer, 28, will be going into his third year at East Lee Middle School in August, where he teaches sixth grade science.
"I love these seminars," he said. "They are a lot of fun. Astronomy was one of the last classes I took in college, so it's still kind of fresh. But it's good to have a refresher."
In addition to the stargazing, in which teachers gazed out at tiny dots in the night sky, unfathomably away, they also got a sense for just how tiny they themselves are.
Earlier in the week, the group toured a model of the solar system set up on the Southern Lee campus, in which about 1,000 yards — the length of 10 football fields — separated the sun from the outer reaches of our planetary neighborhood. In that model, Earth was the size of a peppercorn.
They also made 600 balls of playdough, all roughly the size of a marble, and had to guess how many it would take to create each planet. Jupiter took a few hundred balls to make; Earth took one fourth of one ball. To make the sun on that same scale, organizers said, they would've had to go out and buy an extra several thousand dollars worth of playdough. In real life, the sun accounts for 99.86 percent of the mass in the solar system — and there are a lot of stars which are much larger.
But learning about science doesn't have to be all numbers and scales, Chappell said — especially for younger children. So she's looking into buying copies of a book on Galileo Galilei, the famed Italian astronomer who died in 1642 and was censored and jailed by the Catholic Church for his work but is now regarded as one of the most important scientists ever. Chappell said she hopes to have every third grader read it because the book combines science with lessons on history and European culture.
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BGR is reporting that BlackBerry maker RIM is looking into offering their BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) service on other platforms, including the iPhone's iOS.
As far as what Android and iOS users can look forward to, we've been told RIM will offer stripped down versions of the BBM experience BlackBerry owners know and love. That way, Android and iOS users can communicate with practically anyone who has a smartphone using BBM, but they might not be able to share photos, location, or videos (when RIM crosses that bridge). Users who want the full BlackBerry Messenger experience will still need a BlackBerry smartphone to get it. At the same time, RIM could own the entire messaging app category on every major smartphone OS platform and could potentially draw new users in because it has given them a taste of what BlackBerry Messenger is all about.
This is perhaps in response to apps like Kik, Whatsapp, and Facebook's newly acquired Beluga offering very BBM-like apps on multiple platforms already, threatening to take over the space created by BlackBerry.
CrackBerry Kevin wrote an impassioned article about this several weeks ago and TiPb followed suit to see how popular the idea might be.
Android seems likely to get it first -- um, why? -- but iPhone could be on the roadmap.
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The thing you guys don't seem to realize is that with any carrier on the planet bbm is the cheapest form of data. With Rogers for example don't need to get a complete data plan to have email and bbm services and it's only around $10 extra. Also when you travel to Europe or to the middle it's dirt cheap to get even a pay as you go data plan for bbm and email. So from an international standpoint you can keep in touch with people all around the world for as long as you like without having to pay a lot. When I travel iNstead of activating an international phone line with Rogers I simply use bbm instead. So it really depends what you need it for.
What is to strip down haha. It's a solid white background with black text that you send to people. I don't know what there really is to strip down. I used it years ago when I had a few BB devices and wasn't ever impressed with it.
The point is enterprise integration. If the enterprise is already using BBM, then making the transition to products like iPad is easier. it's not necessarily good for RIM, but I guess they have determined that they're going to lose a significant share of the enterprise market - the best way forward is to work with other devices, not isolate itself.
Ever hear the quote "You can't teach an old dog new apps?" or was it "tricks?" I don't know. With your age, I'm sure you have. Which is why I'll address the major factor that RIM would ever spend the time and effort cultivating a BBM app. for devices aside from their own - because users will want to leave RIM, but keep a RIM familiar experience in some aspects.
We really don't need this but it's cool to have it.
Agreed. If this is true, then RIM is a little too late to the party. They should have done this a couple of years ago. Like you, everyone I know has switched to either the iPhone or an Android device. My dad is one of the few people I know who still has a BlackBerry and that's because his company will only support them. If he had his way, he'd have an iPhone himself.
It's always astonishing to contemplated why these big phone companies do not capitalize on their strengthens before other people make comparable software or hardware.
I've always wondered why RIM hasn't made BBM available on multiple mobile OS's; or why Microsoft hasn't made Office and Skydrive widely available or made a Zune WP7; or Google hasn't placed its Navigation software on other platforms; or Apple with iTunes or iMovies; etc....
I understand the factors of competition and consumer gain and loss. But I feel, for example, if MS would have put Office on iOS, Android, webOS, etc; linked it to Skydrive and sold it for $5-$10 they would have made a lot from it. Now there's Documents to Go and QuickOffice.
They should bring it, however if its stripped down.. I will most likely still use WhatsApp that lets me do everything.. Whats the point of doing it if they aren't going all out.. people on iOS or Android now using other messaging apps wont all of a sudden run to BB because they want to be able to send pics, videos and such through BBM. What I do know however is if they Bring full fledged BBM to iOS and Android, they will loose a lot of BB users..
I love the idea! Stripped down or not. I used to swear by BlackBerry and BBM (read: SMS-type text messaging, MMS-like picture messaging as well as videos, all through data, not SMS text package allowances)
@kayno: WhatsApp may be a nice app, but there is no IM client that can do BBM messaging, period.
Say "NO" to that stupid idea. We don't need that messenger from RIM. we got from whatsapp (that is way better). To beluga, yahoo, hotmail, aol, pinhchat etc etc etc.
So WE DON'T NEED NOTHING FROM RIM. go away with that stupid idea.
If you like keep in touch with them, download whatsapp or beluga and let then know about it. We don't need RIM in our iOS devices!!!
Yes RIM, strip down all the features and make it no different than TEXTING YOUR BLACKBERRY FRIEND.
Might as well not download the app at all and just save the app space.
First of all if you add all the different models of blackberries there are, somebody is still doing something right over at Rim. Iphone might be #1 but Blackberries are like #3, #4, #6, #7, #8, and #9 in sales. So i think the point is how it would make the bbm users be able to contact many more people and vice verse with their BBM app. As a former current ipad owner and current BBM owner BBM is a ridiculously better means of communication from device to device. You cant knock it if you haven't ever used it for a couple of days. There's a reason the sister site is called "crackberry" , its addictive..
I was a former bb user before getting my iPhone on big red. BBM is a great way to communicate and I am very excited about this news. I run my own company and a majority of my professional contacts have BBM. It might be a very simple ui but it did what it advertised. BBM would be great and I hope it does come to the iPhone.
Oh and one more thing. For the people that are suggesting that iPhone users should suggest other messaging apps to their friends to communicate like bbm...that's just a horrible idea. That's like telling a friend can you download this messaging app so I can text you for free instead of wasting my texts on you? That's what I think at least.
Well, I would love it. I and my wife have iPhone 4's but I also have a BB. I would love to be able to use BBM to contact her. It is fast and easy to use. Ideally RIM would offer basic texting add on for $3.00 a month or a small yearly subscription. If you wanted the full BBM it would cost more. Not over $7.00 and probably $5.00-5.99 would sell it. WhatsApp is nice but not as fast and accurate, I use it on my BB to contact my wife and others who do not have BB's.
As for RIM and BB being dead, that is crazy. They have the best enterprise security system for business and BIS rules. Yes, the OS is way past its prime but look for that to change probably in 2012. They are also number one in many emerging countries,they can resell older phones for those networks that haven't gone 3.3.5,3.75 and pseudo 4G.
Agreed Deepan. Absolutely correct. Whats App is already smarter than "whatever RIM is coming out with BBM for iPhone" and it is getting fine tuned with next versions.
I've waiting for this possibility for so long so bringing Blackberry BBM to Iphone is like a Miracle for me as concerned as i am
I personally don't see why RIM would do this. I use a BB because the keyboard is superior and I'm comletely resisting getting used to a full touchscreen phone. However, I don't use BBM all that much despite having quite a few friends who have BBs. I think it's great, I just don't really see a need for it. It does have some advantages that I use from time to time.
I think that right now in the app market there are many alternatives, so most people who aren't on a BB won't go for it. I'd rather SMS, but if my iPhone and Android friends could get BBM, I'd probably start using it more.
Striped down version of BBM for iPhone and Androids?? Ha Ha Ha Ha..... RIM is joking. And I am pretty sure once RIM starts developing app for iPhone they can't even think of making an app that won't be able to share photos, videos etc..... RIM, let me tell you one thing..... GROW UP BOYZ!!! What's app Rocks.... and if RIM wants BBM to take over this space and be no.1 then they should be coming with a fully loaded BBM app for iPhone. That will be a smart move.
The advantage of BBM is that it's the standard on blackberry phone while iOS and android user users don't have a standard messaging app and the more messaging apps released fragments the market more, two of my daughters and my wife have blackberry's I have the iPhone 4, I have whatapp ect. But I don't know anyone who uses them
I have both a BlackBerry and iPhone out of necessity (one for work and one for personal), and I like how fast and convenient BBM is. Bringing it to the iPhone would be cool, but I don't know whether BBM would have the critical mass to push out cross-platform apps such as WhatsApp or PingChat, especially if the BBM version offered is a chat-only program.
Without that critical mass, BBM would still be just a minor player in the iPhone/Android market, meaning uptake would be slower than anticipated. And if few people use it, there would be little incentive to download it in the first place.
Maybe instead of waiting for people to download it, RIM could partner with other mobile phone manufacturers to place BBM on their phones by default?
I have my own editorial about this here: http://blog.bulsuk.com/2011/03/editorial-blackberry-messenger-bbm-on.html
I Think that RIM should definitely offer BBM as a cross plat-form texting for smartphones. I think offering a partal version for free is great but if they offered the full version at a one time price of $10-$15 they would still make a ton of money, because I know tons of people who would pay it to be able to have the ability to BBM their friends. There are also millions of people out there who would definitely pay for an app like BBM. I think if RIM thinks this through correctly we can see a dramatic shift in SMS messaging and PERHAPS if done correctly a new monopoly when it comes to text messaging if RIM does justice to BBM and getting it out there to other smartphones. I'm just saying.
Please do it! Honestly, that is the only thing I miss from switching to the iPhone (Whig by far is superior in every sense) I know everyone would pay for it so they aren't going to be losing money. The longer whatsapp stays on the market the less time blackberry stands a chance as a whole. Switching from the bb I had over 160+ contacts and now am down to around 80. I rarely call people and dont need their numbers- bbm pin is pretty much more than I need in order to stay in touch with them. Now 56 out of the 80 contacts on my phone have whatsapp - anyone would be a fool to say that people wont buy bbm. Whatsapp does the job- but we all miss the bbm experience. RIM needs to realize their phones are a piece of crap and when people are looking to find other instant meesaging services the bbm hype will die- meaning their sales will plummet as well. It would be a smart move on their end to make bbm an app for not only the iPhone but android phones as well. Hell, I would download it for 10 bucks! But that's because I had a bb at one point. I say 4.99 max and fully loaded would be the best choice they could ever make.
I'd love bbm on iPhone saves me switching between both my sim cards from one phone to another
BBM is a great! I wish I had it on the iPhone! I am an ex-blackberry user. The only thing i miss about the Blackberry is the messaging and email service. As a phone, nothing beets the iPhone.
I been waiting for this:) ....
but honestly , don't disable anything . cause bbm doesn't have a whole lot of special features to begin with .
but all the rest of the bootleg iPhone apps that try to get like bbm fail . this is so helpfull and all my friends have blackberries , now I can stick to keeping my lovable iPhone 4 :) !!!


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