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Same-Sex Civil Unions?
Lisa Fullam April 23, 2013 - 4:59pm
Now that Pope Francis has been said to have approved of same-sex civil unions during his time in Argentina, we begin to see other cautious voices chiming in. First was the "no, I didn't mean THAT" from Vincezo Paglia, and now Archbishop Piero Marini observes "There are many couples that suffer because their civil rights aren't recognized."Make no mistake: Francis spoke clearly and harshly against same-sex marriage, calling it a destructive attack on Gods plan. Francis also is fervently opposed to gay adoption, which he has said discriminates against children. (In fact, however, no reputable data shows harm to children from being raised in households headed by same-sex couples. Some studies show benefits.) It is not unreasonable to see his apparent openness to civil unions as a compromise stance. In fact, such a stance would seem to be in accord with Catholic doctrine in that civil law is answerable not to Church teaching but to the requisites of the common good, manifested in contemporary societies by recognizing the equal rights of all. Civil law neither prohibits all vices nor does it require the practice of all virtues. (This latter from that radical dude, Thomas Aquinas.) This would be a shift from recent magisterial pronouncements. Pope Benedict spoke against civil recognition of same-sex relationships in 2003, not distinguishing civil unions from civil marriage. If Francis stays the course, it'd mark a sharp change from the views of his predecessor still living just across the way.Echoing Benedict, the USCCB spoke against same-sex civil unions in 2009, calling them
a multifaceted threat to the very fabric of society, striking at the source from which society and culture come and which they are meant to serve. Such recognition affects all people, married and non-married: not only at the fundamental levels of the good of the spouses, the good of children, the intrinsic dignity of every human person, and the common good, but also at the levels of education, cultural imagination and influence, and religious freedom.
Interesting times. Will the USCCB find a way both to accede to Pope Francis' apparent willingness to promote civil unions AND to continue to stand by its stated concern that society will fall into ruin as a result? Or will they act in defiance of the current Pope, (assuming, of course, that Francis doesn't change his tune now that he's changed his name)? Or, as some have observed, has this ship sailed? The time to promote civil unions as an alternative to same-sex marriage may have passed. To many, now, it's civil marriage all the way, with civil unions sounding too much like "separate but equal" to the American Catholic ear. (Indeed, Catholics lead other religious groups in their support of same-sex marriage.)
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Lisa - you may well have looked into it more deeply than I have, but my understanding is that Cardinal Bergoglio "supported" same sex civil unions very much as a lesser-of-two-evils in Argentina - the greater of the two evils being same sex marriage (which, I believe, passed despite his opposition). I don't know that American bishops would "accede" to this line of thought, unless there is a specific lesser-of-two-evils choice presented in a particular jurisdiction. My admittedly not very close observation of the trajectory of same sex relationship recognition in the US is that it's rare that both civil union legislation and same sex marriage legislation would be proposed simultaneously.. Ether it happens as it seems to be happening now in Illinois, in which civil unions are legalized as a stepping-stone to full-blown marriage which follows in being legalized a few years later, or, as you note, the ship of civil unions has now sailed, and jurisdictions will make the jump from no recognition at all directly to recognition of same sex marriage.FWIW, I don't think that civil unions need to be positioned as a same sex issue in order for the church to oppose it (or at least to have serious qualms about it). I recall reading that a number of opposite sex couples have opted for it in France. Without introducing the additional complexity of same sex legal recognition, civil unions are problematic. I'd be really surprised if Pope Francis sees civil unions as virtuous. I'd think it more likely that he considers it to be a vice, and as such, he might be inclined to accept your point that civil law needn't prohibit all vices. But I don't know that he'd even go that far in a generic sort of way; as I say, his alleged support in Argentina was only because the alternative was (from his point of view) even worse. Of course, Pope Francis has really surprised me any number of times already, so who knows?
Pope Francis majored in chemistry in college, has a Master's in the subject, and even taught chemistry in a high school. This indicates to me that he has to have a good understanding of the need for evidence when making statements about the natural world -- and that includes gays raising kids. If he truly respects science, then I'm hopeful that his mind is open in the matter of whether or not gays can raise children well. And this would go beyond even Marini's position. (Personally, I don't think there is enough evidence in yet to be sure about it, but so far so good.)It seems to me that some of the bishops of this world have noticed Pope Francis' apparent openness to reasonable change, and some of the bishops are even starting to explore some "heresies". For instance, my own archbishop, Gregory Aymond, last week complimented the argument of some folks who defended the morning-afterpill. He said, that he "received many likes to my Facebook post along with several comments. It was interesting that most of the comments had to do with my statement that Plan B is abortive. There was discussion and an educated argument about whether or not that pill can cause abortions. Im not a doctor and I dont have a degree in science, but through the years Ive been told that the drug levonorgestrel, which uses large doses of birth-control pills to prevent conception or implantation up to 72 hours after sex, can be abortive."Note: he didn't say that the Church teaching was solid dogma. He showed himself open to argument. That's a real step forward, it seems to me. I suspect that other bishops, such as Marini, are also testing the waters now that Francis seems so open.
The CDC has condemned civil unions and anti-discrimination laws to protect gay people. Find me a case where the Church has made an 180-degree turn and explained away an official pronouncement of the CDC, and I will believe there is a chance the Church will support civil unions. Bergolio in 2010:
In the coming weeks, the Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the familyAt stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of Gods law engraved in our hearts.Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy Gods plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a move of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.
I really don't imagine one can credibly claim Satan is behind the push for same-sex marriage and then say, "Oh, but civil unions are another thing." And yes, the ship has already sailed. Civil unions as a compromise to ward off same-sex marriage is a an idea whose time has come and gone. Even France, which had one of the most popular and successful arrangement for civil unions passed same-sex marriage today.
@Jim, Oh, absolutely, I agree with you that Bergoglio was almost certainly supporting civil unions as a way to stave off civil marriage. Interesting here is that Ratzinger's CDF and the USCCB don't seem to have left themselves room to argue in such a way. And yes, isn't it interesting that civil unions are seen as competing with marriage in France, (where opposite or same-sex couples could get them.) My understanding is that in France, civil unions were easier to dissolve than marriages, while tax benefits were granted immediately. In 2010, there were 3/4 as many civil unions as marriages in France. Also notable: France's National Assembly (lower house of the legislature) voted in favor of a same-sex marriage bill today. It passed their Senate earlier in the year, and the president already promised to enact same-sex marriage, so will sign it. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the rates of marriage vs. civil unions in light of the new law. France is the 14th, and so far the largest nation to legalize same-sex marriage--3 nations in the last couple weeks (with New Zealand and Uruguay.)
@David, Indeed--that's part of what makes this so interesting. The Pope is credibly said (see the NCR piece) to have supported civil unions, even though he spoke in the harsh language you quote against same-sex marriage. Bergoglio advocated civil unions--what will Francis do? And if Francis sticks with his earlier position, what will the USCCB do? And you scooped me on France--we must have been simul-typing.
I read Ratzinger as opposing recognition of same sex unions in such a way that they would be equivalent to marriage. I do not think Civil Unions do that and neither do Gay Marriage supporters, which is why they seek full gay marriage and not mere Civil Unions.The New Zealand Catholic Bishops back in 2000 publicly supported some form of legal recognition of people living together in intimate unions outside marriage, which includes but is broader then same sex unions (they could just be friendship). I think this is a basic civil right flowing from the dignity of the human person and the Common Good requirement of the state to support the dignity of the person. It is, in that sense, a human right, and not a right premised on homosexuality.I think our opposition to gay Civil Unions is mistaken and has undermined our more important position on marriage.On gay adoption, I have no problem with gay partners being able to adopt their partners children, which seems hard to argue against. Der Speiegel reports Leonardo Boff saying that Cdl Bergoglio approved a same sex adoption a few months ago. While The Church may oppose same sex adoption in general, there is little doubt that in particular cases it may well be justified in the best interests of the child. Pope John Paul I apparently found that gay couples would adopt severely disabled children no one else would adopt.I find recent developments in Catholic understanding of this issue to be most encouraging and an excellent example of doctrinal development through engagement with society, especially with the problems facing homosexuals.The Church cannot move forward in serving Christ by closing in on herself and digging in on ultraconservative positions which are well past their use by date.God Bless
"Itll be interesting to see what happens to the rates of marriage vs. civil unions in light of the new law. France is the 14th, and so far the largest nation to legalize same-sex marriage3 nations in the last couple weeks (with New Zealand and Uruguay.)"Tic, toc.Tic, toc.I'll be glad to read the French Catholic Bishops' statement(s) disavowing their support of or participation in the recent spate of gay bashing in their country and dioceses.But I won't hold my breath.
This is the pattern that occurred in the UK as well. The Catholic Church (and C of E) were against civil partnerships until it became clear that the government was going to legalize civil same-sex marriages. Then suddenly the church was for civil partnerships ..."We would want to emphasise that civil partnerships actually provide a structure in which people of the same sex who want a lifelong relationship [and] a lifelong partnership can find their place and protection and legal provision As a Church we are very committed to the notion of equality so that people are treated the same across all the activities of life. The Church holds great store by the value of commitment in relationships and undertakings that people give"[...] [T]hese words were uttered by Archbishop Vincent Nichols last week at a press conference following the English and Welsh bishops conference. Thats the same bishops conference which in 2003 published a document in response to a government consultation on civil partnership a framework for the legal recognition of same-sex couples, in which the bishops stated their unequivocal view that the governments proposals to create civil partnerships for same-sex couples would not promote the common good and that they therefore opposed them. Their reasons, in brief, were that these proposals would in the long term undermine marriage and the family, and that they were not needed to defend fundamental human rights or remedy significant injustices for same-sex couples, as these have either already been substantially addressed or can largely be addressed by the couple entering into contractual arrangements privately. So, what has changed? .... - http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/11/30/archbishop-ni... too think the ship has sailed on civil partnerships and that's as it should be.
Here in France, these past few months there have been many "first times": the first time that I have seen overt politics during Mass and heard it during a homily, first time I've received communion from a priest who was smirking at me (after he gave a homily that was more like heating the room before a demonstration than like a homily - and he knows I don't share those views.) The parish has developed a sense of community that I have not seen before: people have been brought closer together, united by their shrill campaign against gay marriage.I have received many emails to join various protests: because I teach catechism, it is assumed that I am against gay marriage. An exchange with my neighbor in the pew one Sunday right before Mass:"- My husband is over there talking to people in the choir, because there's a lot to organize for the demonstration. Are you going to go?- No, I'm not going to the demonstration.- I understand. You must be busy. - No, it's not that.- It's not?- No. I'm not going because I don't agree with the demonstration.- Oh. (Stepping back to put a little distance between us:) I see."Then the bell rings, we get up for the opening hymn. During the exchange of peace that Mass, on that day coincidentally (?) my neighbor was not at my side when the time came to shake hands.People have come to my catechism class to invite the youth to come with them to demonstrations in Paris. They said they would take them along if they only brought a letter with an authorization from their parents. My well-behaved class remained silent during the harangue, except that when the parent said: "there are limits to what can be allowed. For example, if a grandfather who really likes his grand-daughter decided to marry her, that wouldn't be allowed, would it?", one kid muttered under his breath: "and why not?" (the parent was so wrapped up in her talk that I don't think she heard.)A colleague had a falling out with his in-laws over gay marriage. He said he never realized before how bigoted they were. It's been both uniting and divisive. Interesting times.
In this matter, the Church reminds me a little bit of Mrs. Ferrars in Sense and Sensibility,when she learns that there is someone even less to her liking as a daughter-in-law than the estimable Elinor Dashwood. "It would have been beyond comparison," she said, "the least evil of the two; and she would be glad to compound now for nothing worse."I hope that Church leaders will not pretend now that they are open to civil unions for gay people. That would only make them look cynical as well as foolish. And it will not change the debate or the trajectory of this issue. Second best is no longer a part of it, if it ever really was.
I just despair of catholic leadership after Cardinal Vingt Trois's boetian utterances in Lourdes and his failure to distance himself from the fascist thugs. I am sure that Francis will make a statement on gay issues soon and it will not be an enlightened statement. The Aparecido document of the Latin American bishops talks about people choosing their sexual orientation freely out of selfish individualism. Francis has stated that gay marriage is a machination of the Evil One to deceive the people of God. He thinks Catholics have been too narrowly preoccupied with sex-related issues: I think his antidote to that would be to tell them to shut up and just obey the established doctrine. Cardinals and archbishops currently perceived as blowing their mouth on civil unions will be brought to heel just as under Benedict (it is so easy to do). Claire's account of French Catholics experience a surge of community identity rang a bell with me. It is a horrifying development in the French Church, and it places Catholics in the arms of the extreme right, who must be overjoyed.
I think all secular arrangements (like getting married at the Justice of the Peace) should be called "civil unions", whether it's between same sex or different sex couples. The word "marriage" should be reserved for the religious-sanctioned unions. We take on a much bigger commitment when we enter into a Catholic marriage, for example, than when we go to City Hall. I think we should distinguish between those two kinds of relationships.
Irene - there are suggestions floating about that Catholic clergy (and presumably the clergy of other denominations that object to same sex marriage) be 'de-authorized' by the state to officiate at weddings that result in marriages that are recognized by the state. Were this to happen, a couple who wished to be married with the blessing of the church would have two ceremonies: a civil ceremony on Thursday, followed by a church ceremony on Saturday (presumably leaving Friday free for the rehearsal :-)). I believe this arrangement already is in place in some other countries. Here is a blog post by Matthew Schmitz at First Things that quotes and links to a couple of contrasting views on this idea.http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/11/15/george-weigel-...
Any reasonable person can see the need for civil union laws. People should be taxed fairly, and they should be able to tend their financial affairs without having artificial obstacles placed in their way. I do not want to make gay peoples lives any more difficult than they already are.This does not however, mean that I need to approve of gay marriage, and it does not mean that gay folks should be allowed to adopt children.
It is obvious to anyone that homosexual actions are not normal. It is also obvious to anyone that some folks seem for whatever reason, to have been born with homosexual inclinations. That said, most Americans are tolerant enough and do not wish to press the point; most normal people prefer a life and let live approach. Civil union laws therefore, strike the correct balance.
a couple who wished to be married with the blessing of the church would have two ceremonies: a civil ceremony on Thursday, followed by a church ceremony on Saturday (presumably leaving Friday free for the rehearsal :-)). I believe this arrangement already is in place in some other countries.That's the way it has been in France since the 1790's and I don't see that the Church has had any difficulty with it. It helps to make clear that "civil marriage" (regulated by the state) and "sacramental marriage" (regulated by the Church) are not the same thing - and they each can have their own requirments for who qualifies.The French experience with Civil Unionsinlieu of marriag has been interesting. For 2010, the most recnt igures I could find, the figures were:251,654 Civil Marriages of heterosexual couples196,415 Civil Unions (PACS) of heterosexual couples 9,143 Civil Unions of homosexual couples
Sorry, continuing5,030 Civil Marriages of homosexual couplesThe interesting thing to me is the rising number of heterosexual couples who have chosen Civil Unions rather than Civil Marriage. Now that France is about to make Civil Marriage widely available to homosexual couples, it will be interesting to see what the split between that and Civil Unions will be for them. Figures from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_solidarity_pact
Correction, 251,654 should be 246,624
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-gay-marriage-law-met-wit... #7 is particularly fascinating. Pink is the color of the ANTI-gay protesters?Really ... PINK!!!!Crystal: the church hierarchy, no matter where, has the time-honored ability to switch directions on a ha'penny once they know where their boss is heading.
Irene said: "We take on a much bigger commitment when we enter into a Catholic marriage, for example, than when we go to City Hall."Really! My partner and I have been together almost 41 years .. even without benefit of church or city hall.Our marriage (and it is indeed that) has lasted longer than many, many, MANY Catholic Church witnessed matrimonies. No, we did not raise children, nor have a lot of matrimonial arrangements.What you said borders on hubris.
Jim, had you been able to marry in the church, would you have done it? Since you were prevented from formalizing it on a mere technicality, then maybe your mutual commitment has been blessed by God just at it would be in the church.
Would we have early on? Maybe, depending on the church.Would we now ... in a Catholic Church? Not only no, but hell no. We may be up in years but we are not masochists.
@Jim McCrea: Jim, I'm sorry, I'm not questioning your commitment and your marriage; particularly since for many years you did not have the option of entering into a religious or civil marriage. But, for those of us for whom marriage is an option: there is a big difference between living together, without any binding legal ties; entering into a civil marriage, with easy divorce options; or entering into a sacramental marriage in which divorce is not an option.I'm not talking about people's personal commitments, people in any of those relationships could have a lifelong commitment.I'm talking about the nature of the institution: if I live with my partner, I can pick up stakes a lot more easily than if I am married to him, even if I never intend to exercise that option. I don't think living together and being married are at all the same thing, and just as you get offended that someone would question your marriage, I, too, find it a little offensive for people to lump my formal marriage and the commitments that go with it into the same category as people who want to live together for a few years.
entering into a sacramental marriage in which divorce is not an option.Are you sure? In catechism a youth asked me: "why the Catholic church and the Anglicans were not reconciled since the origin of the difference was Henry VIII wanting a divorce, but nowadays the Catholic church recognizes divorce"? Surprised, I answered that no, the Catholic church does not recognize divorce blah blah blah... but yesterday I woke up with the thought that maybe the kid was right and I was wrong. What if divorce is so well accepted by the faithful (to the point where young teenagers are not even aware of the official teaching!) that the sense of the faithful is really the correct, authentic understanding (to borrow from emeritus pope Benedict's favorite words), and the official teaching is lagging behind?
It struck me funny that the original blog post from Lisa Fullam cites a "Vincenzo Paglia." Is he any relation, I thought, to feminist social critic Camille Paglia???If so, I would love to be sitting at the same table on Thanksgiving to hear those two go at it!
" ... if I live with my partner, I can pick up stakes a lot more easily than if I am married to him, ..."And relationships that last without the confines of law, either church or state, do so because of COMMITTMENT, not obligation.We have had to reassess the level of our committment to each other many times under many circumstances. We have survived these many years BECAUSE we want to because of who we are and what we have grown to be, not because some secular law makes divorce onerous or some church law that says divorce is not an option.Church teaching is opposed to divorce, and yet, when one applies for an annulment, Church law REQUIRES that one first obtain a civil divorce. Oh, that's just a civil requirement, we don't really believe the civil divorce is actually a divorce. Yet when it comes to civil marriage of same-sex couples, it is suddenly the end of civilization: that civil marriage is a dire threat, while civil divorces are a mere technicality. This is a double standard no matter how you slice it.In their 2002 book, Catholic Divorce: The Deception of Annulments, Joseph Martos and Pierre Hegy state:Because the grounds for annulment have become so broad that practically anyone who applies for one can obtain it, many observers now regard annulments as virtual divorces. After all, the same grounds for divorce in a civil court have become grounds for the nonexistence of marriage in an ecclesiastical court. (Page 23) To add to the deceit, many couples who receive annulments do so believing that their marriage was, in fact, sacramentally valid that the marital bond did exist but that, over time, it began to break down. These couples, understandably, choose not to disclose this part of the story to marriage tribunals so that they can qualify for an annulment.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2586453/postsIn other words it is the Catholic game of nudge-nudge, wink-wink.Sorry, but I value that kind of committment much more than imposed sitck-to-it-ivness.I know many couples, my parents included, who stayed together within the confines of matrimony during good and bad times. I'm not demeaning those who do that, but I will not agree to the idea that our marriage is any easier or committed than one blessed by the church, state or any other laws.
s/b: " ... any easier or less committed ..."
I guess I don't get the distinction any more. In reality, the government's only interest is in the legal relationship between the two parties to a marriage...in effect really a civil union. Government's role is to establish the basis for such things as property ownership, inheritance, medical proxies and so forth. It would actually be possible to deal with each of those relationships separately but what a civil marriage does is effectively cut through that need and convey a series of those legal rights and responsibilities. And that is as it should be. Civil marriage, if I may use that term, is only tangentially, if at all, concerned with any other aspects of the relationship between the two people. If we accept that, and we accept that a sacramental marriage is something different, something more profound I would argue, what difference does it make whether we call the legal arrangement a civil union, a marriage or something else entirely? I actually have thought that the Pilgrims' approach of having all marriages as civil ceremonies made the most sense. Those who wish to go further and enter into a sacramental marriage are perfectly free to do so. Churches, Catholic or other, would be free to set their own rules for such marriages in their denominations.
Claire wrote: Are you sure? In catechism a youth asked me: why the Catholic church and the Anglicans were not reconciled since the origin of the difference was Henry VIII wanting a divorce, but nowadays the Catholic church recognizes divorce? Surprised, I answered that no, the Catholic church does not recognize divorce blah blah blah Interesting that the Church recognizes the difference between civil divorce (which dissolves the civil marriage bond) and "religous" divorce that dissolves the scramental marriage bond (not possible)The Catechism says:"2383 The separation of spouses while maintaining the [sacramental] marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense."The practical issue is not divorce but remarriage. Since the Church's view is that only the civil bond has been dissolved but the sacramental bond remains, the couple are still sacramentally married and remarriage is adultery - unless it can be determined that the sacramental marriage was not valid to begin with (aka annulment) Henry VIII's problem was that he wanted to divorce and remarry.
"view" = "teaching"
Unless something is issued pretty soon, the silence from the Vatican on France is deafening. Maybe Francis realizes the boat has sailed.
John, I think that your interpretation seems not quite right, seehttp://www.canonlawprofessionals.com/annulmentquestions.html#Q23.Do only Catholics need annulments? Do only Catholic marriages need to be annulled?No and no. [] However, the Church recognizes the marriage of two non-Catholics, or a Catholic who has received a dispensation from form and a non-Catholic, whether they marry in their own church/or non-Christian place of worship, another church or in a civil ceremony (justice of the peace) as long as the ceremony is valid according to civil law. From the perspective of the Catholic Church, therefore, non-Catholics are considered to be validly married persons unless the former spouse has died or the marriage has been declared null by the Catholic Church. Since the Church has the right to determine who may be married in the Catholic Church, it can make a judgment on the validity of the marriage of two non-Catholics if one requests this in order that he or she might be able to marry a Catholic in the Catholic Church.Someone who is divorced is still assumed to be in a valid marriage, even if they are Catholic. It's tolerated as long as they do not give public scandal by having sex with someone other than their ex (i.e. by remarrying). So divorce is "not a moral offense", but neither is it recognized to dissolve the (civil or religious) marriage. The moral issue is remarriage, but the reason why it is a moral issue is that divorce is not recognized.Marriage, whether civil or religious, is assumed to be valid and requires a decree of nullity before remarriage in the Catholic church. (So civil marriage is recognized but not civil divorce.) The only exception is that of a Catholic who married outside the church without doing the proper paperwork with the Catholic church first: then that marriage was invalid in the first place.
More subtleties from EWTN, tying the validity of a non-Catholic marriage to the fact that the parties were baptized:http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur241.htmIf a couple of civilly married, baptized non-Catholics were to become Catholic, then their status would depend on whether their former community recognized the validity of civil marriage or not. If their civil marriage was recognized as valid, then, in the eyes of God and the Church, that marriage would also be sacramental. This is because the Church considers that all valid marriages between baptized persons are automatically sacramental even in those cases where the particular religious community does not number matrimony among the sacraments.If a civilly married couple receive baptism, then the baptism itself transforms their valid civil marriage into a sacramental marriage and this fact is noted on the baptismal register.
In other words a previous marriage, civil or religious in another religious community or religious Catholic, is assumed to be valid and sacramental as long as1) both parties are baptized (even if the baptism happens after the marriage), and2) neither party was Catholic at the time of the marriage (unless there was an official dispensation for the Catholic party.)
So, if the EWTN guy is right, it seems that marriage occupies a special place among the sacraments: its sacramental dimension depends on the rules governing the validity of civil marriage.Baptism is valid outside the Catholic church, but its validity relies on a simple set of conditions determined by the Catholic church (the presence of water and the Trinitarian formula, as I recall.)Marriage is valid outside the Catholic church, but one of the conditions for its validity is whether it is recognized as valid in the community in which it took place, and that, in turn, depends on some set of conditions that varies from place to place, time to time, and community to community. Isn't that weird?
" if the EWTN guy is right"Always an important qualifier :-)
Matrimony is an unusual sacrament in that it is not conferred by a priest or deacon. It is conferred by the couple on each other and only witnessed by a priest or deacon or authorized laypersonIn some cases it can even be conferred by the couple on each other without the presence of any of those people.Can. 1116 1. If a person competent to assist according to the norm of law cannot be present or approached without grave inconvenience, those who intend to enter into a true marriage can contract it validly and licitly before witnesses only:1/ in danger of death;2/ outside the danger of death provided that it is prudently foreseen that the situation will continue for a month.2. In either case, if some other priest or deacon who can be present is available, he must be called and be present at the celebration of the marriage together with the witnesses, without prejudice to the validity of the marriage before witnesses only.
It is interesting to see Irene and Jim McK talking past each other a bit. The tell for me was Irene's comment "I, too, find it a little offensive for people to lump my formal marriage and the commitments that go with it into the same category as people who want to live together for a few years."Is that what you think Jim McK and people like me are about, Irene? If that is your concept of gay marriage, then I certainly understand why you would feel like it is "anti-marriage". But it is a prejudiced conception of gay marriage because it will not acknowledge the utter seriousness of our commitment.Here's the ironic thing: a cultural/political movement that emphasized the permanence and commitment (and seriousness) of marriage would have me firmly in your corner. The primary reason you are losing the battle on gay marriage is not because of the "permanence issue", it is because of rigid insistence on the man/woman natural law formulation that simply cannot accommodate the reality that gays and lesbians exist and have the same fundamental drives for companionship and family that straight men and women do.I really don't think the culture war over gay marriage is fundamentally about permanence or procreation; it is about whether a sexually expressive, monogamous, permanent relationship between two people of the same sex can ever be anything but sinful.
John Hayes,"Matrimony is an unusual sacrament in that it is not conferred by a priest or deacon. It is conferred by the couple on each other..." Exactly and that is a distinction which most people miss and what I mean by a sacramental marriage. The state-sanctioned union, whatever you call it, is about legal rights and responsibilities. The sacramental union is about something more profound. I'm not sure I can define it exactly, but there is a distinction, and the Church actually gets this part right, though they don't seem to understand that they do. I always am reminded of a report I heard on some pop star's 2nd marriage. her first had been to a body guard in Las Vegas and had lasted less than 48 hours. When reporting the new marriage, the reporter commented rather snarkily, "She's on the clock!" Clearly "marriage #1" was not a marriage as Catholics, or really anyone, understands the term,thtough it was legal.
@Jim Hohmann- Actually, I think it is you that is talking past me. I think it is interesting that you interpret my view of sacramental marriage as being a greater commitment than a government-sanctioned marriage as somehow "anti-gay marriage"For the record, I support same-sex civil unions, and I actually support gay sacramental marriage. And nothing I have written says otherwise. What I do think is that a sacramental marriage reflects a more permanent and binding commitment than a civil marriage and that distinction should be recognized. And I think a civil union is in turn, a greater formal commitment than would be a couple living together informally. And I think each of those kinds of relationships should be recognized as distinct from each other. When I freely and publicly bound myself to my husband until death separates us, I did much more than sign on to a right to his pension, and I would like that commitment recognized for what it is. I agree with Jim Dunn's point (and Jim P. touched on it as well); all couples who want a legally recognized relationship, should enter into a government-sanctioned civil union (both same sex and heterosexual). That would promote equality and would protect all of our civil rights.Those of us want to commit to something more than that should also than be free to enter into a more binding sacramental marriage.
I apologize for my misunderstanding and appreciate your taking the time to set me ... errr ... straight :-) Thanks! And your third paragraph speaks precisely for me as well.
@Jim Hohman. I don't always say clearly what I'm trying to say, sorry. And I think someday soon we'll have marriage equality in the US, a good thing for all of us.
The Rhode Island Senate approved a bill to allow same-sex couples to marry. The heavily Roman Catholic state is poised to be the 10th to permit gay marriage. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/24/rhode-island-gay-ma...(News+-+Top+Stories))Tic, tocTic, tocAnd other news from the Catholic world: (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/24/178765718/violent-protest...)
"Marriage is valid outside the Catholic church, but one of the conditions for its validity is whether it is recognized as valid in the community in which it took place, and that, in turn, depends on some set of conditions that varies from place to place, time to time, and community to community. Isnt that weird?"That's almost like saying that whether or not a fetus is a human depends on the opinion of woman carrying it.
"...most normal people prefer a live and let live approach."Color me abnormal. We are all our brother's keeper, no?
Yes, it is rather abnormal..."Really! My partner and I have been together almost 41 years .. even without benefit of church or city hall."As to Henry VIII, the Church could easily have let him off the hook. The Church is very divorce friendly, as seen in the Petrine and Pauline privileges, and it is also able to grant annulments without much fuss. I suspect that the strong character of Catherine of Aragon and her powerful connections were the basic reason for Clement VII's obduracy.
"Really! My partner and I have been together almost 41 years .. even without benefit of church or city hall."A sterling example of love and fidelity, which only the most obtuse will fail to admire.
French Catholics have disgraced themselves.
France has become a very sick country, but one that does not know that it is sick, or will not admit it.
About the Author
Lisa Fullam is associate professor of moral theology at the Jesuit School of Theology at Berkeley. She is the author of The Virtue of Humility: A Thomistic Apologetic (Edwin Mellen Press).


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Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Age: 30
How long have you been playing: around 7 years
Make of Drumkit: Always Yamaha with 14x6 tama stagestar snare
Make of Cymbals: Paiste, Meinl, Zildjian
Are you in a band: www.facebook.com/thedirtytricksnorwich
Covers or Originals? Only Originals
Style: Rock/Blues
Where are you from? UK
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
My name is Gary Reynolds. I live in Waynesboro, Ms (deeeeeeeep south USA). I'm 56 yrs old, but have the curiosity of a two yr old. If you ask my wife she would probably say I'm about 14.
I started playing drums when I found out you can make money hitting things with sticks, lol. I've been playing since I was 20, played steady until I was 40 (cover bands -- rock, country and then funk bands). Then one night I asked my wife what was for supper and she said, "Salt soup!" So I got a day job and stopped playing for 15 yrs. Just started playing again last year.
I have been married 30 yrs; have twin daughters 24 yrs old. My user name is a combination of my daughter's names. Sharka and Reyna = sharkrey
I grew up in the classic rock years so my influences are Don Brewer and Bonham. My favorite drummer right now is probably Harvey Mason. And I like all the current big dogs also. Oh...and Rene Creemers.
I play a basic 4 pc. Pearl kit with Zildjian cymbals. I practice on a pad every day. I have a nephew that is playing and we are going through Tommy Igoe's Great Hands for a Lifetime dvd.
I currently play in a contemporary praise and worship band on Sundays and we occasionally play youth conferences.
Besides drumming, I am a follower of Jesus, a student of chess, an artist (fractal art and Chinese brush painting), and I try to find joy in all aspects of life. Aaaaaand I read voracously. Yea!
So...helllo, everyone!
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name? Mike
Age? 50
How long have you been playing? not long..played around on friend's kits when young.
Origin of user name? none really
Your top 5 drummers? Bonham, Ringo Starr,Charlie Watts, Jimmy Chamberlain, Taylor Hawkins
Make of drumkit? Yamaha Tour Customs/Pearl hardware
Make of cymbal? Zildjan, Avedis
Where do you practice? Home
Are you in a band? No
Do you play covers or originals? Covers
What style of music? Rock
Favourite take out food? Pizza
What country do you live in? U.S.
One really odd fact about yourself? I drink RedBulls w/ pecan spins for breakfast
How did you start drumming? Pots/Pans as a kid
I am a stagehand/rigger also. http://vimeo.com/16421635
Last edited by hogdaddy; 10-09-2011 at 08:48 PM.
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name: Leesa Harrington-Squyres
Age: no comment!
I've been playing drums since 1978...professionally since 1985.
My top 5 drummers would have to be: Bill Ward, John Bonham, Buddy Rich,Gene Krupa and Ginger Baker...its a tie with Moony.
Make of drumkit: Ludwig...always Ludwig
Cymbals: well, I'm partial to zildjian,but I have a Paiste endorsement through the band.
Where do I practice?: usually at the Gibson showroom in NYC. It used to be the Hit Factory for years.
My band is LEZ ZEPPELIN...all girls, all Zeppelin. I live in the USA..in both NYC and my hometown of Houston.
I started playing drums when my guitar teacher told me he thought I would make a good drummer...I went and saw Black Sabbath in 78'...and that's all she wrote. Got a little three piece kit and beat the hell out of it!
My other job is being a Reverend. I marry people!
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name? Andrew
Age? 25 and a half
How long have you been playing? 13ish years
Origin of user name? Type of potato chips/crisps
Your top 5 drummers? Dave Grohl, Jon Theodore, Benny Greb, Jean Paul Gaster, myself
Make of drumkit? Mapex Saturn, big
Make of cymbal? Zildjian mostly
Where do you practice?Pads and mini kit in my lounge, nowhere on my big kit :(
Are you in a band? In a classic/pub rock covers band, and a retired originals band
Do you play covers or originals? Started doing covers six months ago, played originals most of the time
What style of music? Punk-blues-rock, getting into funk, jazz, and jazzy funk
Favourite take out food? Indian - aloo mattar or channa masala most often. yum.
What country do you live in? A city called Rotorua in New Zealand.
One really odd fact about yourself? I'm a vegan
How did you start drumming? with one stick on a blue suitcase, when my dad was watching a Dire Straits video, when I was too young to know how old I was
Hi, I'm Andrew.
My old band, come download our stuff
Last edited by kettles; 11-12-2011 at 10:34 PM.
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Hi everybody! I'm new to these forums, because I never really knew there is so much going on on drum forums :o So I'm here to stay :)
Hi I'm Robbert. I'm 23 years old, and I'm from Amsterdam in Holland. I've been playing drum for around 11 years now. I give drum lessons, in real life in online!. I own a website, called www.coverdrummer.com where I provide drumlessons for learning how to drum specific songs. It's brand new, a work in progress :)
My acoustic kit:
Tame Starclassic Maple. 5 Zildjians and 2 Sabian cymbals. Iron Cobra double bass.
My e-kit:
Roland td9-kx. Also with a double bass, and an extra cymbal. On my e-kit I record all my lessons!
I play in a band for 6 years now. We perform regularly, and practise in my attic! We play metal :)
I listen to many styles of music, from light jazz to death metal. I enjoy playing heavy music the most.
See you around!
Learn how to play real music! http://www.coverdrummer.com
Last edited by coverdrummer; 10-11-2011 at 10:23 AM. Reason: adding sig
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
I'm in my teen's.
Been playing for about 3 years. So since I was 10.
I live on the outskirts of London, England.
My drumkit make is CBdrums and its the first drumkit I've had ;D
I'm not in a band but I know a lot of people that play instruments
My user name is first from my nickname and second my dog,Mars
I always wanted to be a drummer so it was great when on my birthday my kit arrived!!!
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
my name is Karl
I'm filipino, and live in Cebu, Cebu, Philippines
My kit is a Q7 by mes with a 20" planet Z ride and Meinl HCS 14"crash and 13"Hats
its my first set-up so dont mock me
my dad bought drums one day, and i decided to play them. i fell in love with the beats and the sound of those cymbals, so i decided that i will become a drummer
and oh yeah, im 15
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Hi everyone!
Real name?
My real name is hard to pronounce so a lot of people call me Frank.
Currently in my early 20s
How long have you been playing?
I've been playing drums since freshman year of high school on my younger brother's Royce Drumset, which sadly I still use today.
Origin of user name?
It's an old username I've been using for awhile. Don't recall how I made it up.
Your top 5 drummers?
Too many great drummers to list, I however have two that truly inspires me everyday: Jeff Porcaro and Bernard Purdie
Make of drumkit?
As I said, Royce Drumset with a 1960s Ludwig Pioneer Blue Duco or Gretsch Catalina Black Marine Pearl Snare
Make of cymbal?
Zildjian cymbals, 14" Quick Beats, 18" K Custom Dark Crash, 21" Armand Ride (love!), 12" 1970s Hi-hats, and 18" Z Custom Chinaboy
Where do you practice?
Either it's in the basement at home or in my apartment tapping on my drum pad
Are you in a band?
Currently play for the basketball band at my university.
Do you play covers or originals?
I play both cover and original, very often is cover
What style of music?
Mostly rock and pop, but I have an big interest in Latin and Jazz as well as Funk and Drum 'n Bass
Favourite take out food?
I'll get back at that soon.
What country do you live in?
One really odd fact about yourself?
I can't sleep without hugging a pillow
How did you start drumming?
Funny you asked. Back when I was a freshman in high school I started playing different Japanese music games (Dance Dance Revolution, beatmania IIDX, etc) and one game spark my interest, drummania. Saw a similar video like this one and the rest was history.
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Hi guys, I love drumming and I hope you all do to (of course you do!)
Real Name: If I told you, I would have to kill you
Favourite Hobby: Drumming... duh :)
Life Ambition: Drummer
Favourite Food: Sushi or Duck
1 Of My Dreams: To go to America for a year!
1 Weird Fact: I LOVE ANIMAL
WEWO Drums For The World!
PIC KIT For The World!
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Funny story. I played professionally from age 14 to 24 and then hung up the sticks to pursue education and career. Didnt touch a stick until age 67. Found a bunch at the office who had either played as pros or had learned to play and so we started a band and the Company offered us a practice room and we now have a bass, organist, three guitar pickers and a vocalist. Simply awesome to restart after all those years but the chops dont come back as easily as I thought they would. Coming along but certainly not even close to where I was 40 something years ago. Funny that now I do lose the handle on a stick now and then! Speed is slow to come back though and that is very frustrating.
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Hi I am new to tis site and new to drumming iv been drumming for about 8weeks I've played guitar and bass for almost 15 years the current band iv been in for the past 2 years has alway needed a dedicated drummer so once I found another guitar/bass player I jumped on The the Roland TD10 that was just sitting here and after a few jams itseemd to stick the band is a church band we play all styles of music from gospel to death metal for live shows out of church I was using my friends pearl vision set I was so worried about scratching or damaging it so a few weeks ago I found a used ludwig accent set for 250$ it needed new Tom heads so i ordered a set of Remo black suede emperors and the shells were perfectly round and the bearings were perfect it had one straight cymbal stand And I found a boom stand with a mid 70-80s zilg avidas 18" crash ride the hi hats were cheap so I called a pro drummer friend who was sponcered back in the 80s by Sabian he dug through his old sets and found a used hi hat set ofcorse the brand was missing it had been used so much and he gave me a 80s zilg 20" ride I think Iv got a good starter set now here are a few pics and a vid of my first cover I'm still sloppy but I'm getting better the pics are of before I receive the ride and hi hats from my friend ttyl
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Hey everybody I am Jeff, and I am 19 years old. I have been drumming for about 11 years. I have been apart of drumline, percussion ensemble, jazz bands etc. I am really hoping to be a drum set/percussionists for Blue Man Group in the future. That is my dream...
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name? Iain- Not Lain as everyone seems determined to call me
Age? 45 , heading for yet another birthday :0(
How long have you been playing? Since I was about 11
Origin of user name? My name is Iain and I'm a big lad- my last name starts with a W
Your top 5 drummers? Phil Collins, Paul Hester (RIP), Neal Wilkinson, Steve Gadd, Gregg Bissonette
Make of drumkit? Mapex Saturn 6 piece (3 racks) in supernova burst
Make of cymbal? Zildjian, A custom/ K Custom/ Oriental
Where do you practice? Occasionally with my band in rehearsal studios, otherwise I don't
Are you in a band? Pub rock band playing covers, versions and originals http://www.theshineonline.co.uk
Do you play covers or originals? Covers mostly, with the odd original
What style of music? Anything- we tend to make songs fit us
Favourite take out food? Indian
What country do you live in? Scotland- its so wet here I should really have gills
One really odd fact about yourself? Don't know if it's odd, but I'm a foster parent.
How did you start drumming? Playing along to top of the pops with a pair of sticks someone gave me on the tuperware tubs my mum gave me to keep my toy soldiers in...
Hit me with your rhythm stick
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
name-stirling fox,band-the strainers, playing drums for 40 years,just getting started back up again .i had to sell my new epic luds,now i play one of the new rogers starter kits, man what a cheap kit but we got the band going again and i needed some thing fast becouse we are playing halloween night.i play sabian ,gibraltar, maypex hardware and gibraltar bass bedals,stix-pro mark 747 neil perts ,heads,i like aquarian heads,super kick 2s all there heads are great.will be getting a better kit some time soon.im from L.A. california and now live in oklahoma city ok .
Last edited by stirling fox; 02-03-2012 at 02:39 PM.
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name?
Andrew or Drew
How long have you been playing?
4 years now, going on 5.
Origin of user name?
my name is Andrew and the month and day of my birthday.
Your top 5 drummers?
Sound Percussion (I know, shitty brand) 4-piece
Make of cymbal?
Sabian B8/Minel HCS hi-hats
Where do you practice?
My front room at my house or at our singers house.
Are you in a band?
Yes, we're called Jericho
Do you play covers or originals?
Originals mostly with the occasional cover
What style of music?
Experimental Hard Rock
Favorite take out food?
What country do you live in?
One really odd fact about yourself?
Wouldn't call it odd, but i do many imitations of different accents.
How did you start drumming?
I started tapping on my desk in 3rd grade and in 5th grade went to play snare drum in the school band. I put the sticks down for three years (6th,7th,8th, and freshmen year) then i got my first set which i still have (soup percussion) and i started my band around the 5th or 6th month of having a actual kit and thats about it.
Hello !!
Hi everybody! I'm new one here !
My name is Mike 'Th0rn' and I'm from Warsaw, Poland. I playing actually in Sphere (www.myspace.com/sphereband) so join us!! So I think that I will be there sometimes
Ps. Sorry for my poor English :)
Re: Hello !!
Hi Mike
Welcome to the forum
Keep On Drumming
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name: Robert (Bobby)
Age: 47
How long have you been playing: Just started.
Origin of user name: My initials.
Your top 5 drummers: Keith Moon, Ringo Starr, Charlie Watts, Steve Gadd, Steve Smith. I'm actually an old deadhead (loved Jerry, still miss him), but I never really got into those drums-space parts, so I can't list Bill or Mickey.
Make of drumkit: Don't have one yet. Just practice pads.
Make of cymbal: Don't have one yet.
Where do you practice: At home in our sunroom.
Are you in a band: Nope.
Do you play covers or originals: Would exercises from Stick Control be considered covers or originals?
What style of music: Technique exercises, rudiments. Is that a style?
Favorite take out food: Chili cheeseburger from Carney's on Sunset.
What country do you live in: USA (Cambridge, MA. I know, pretty far from Carney's.)
One really odd fact about yourself: Well, it's not so much odd, but a family relationship that I'm very proud of... My grandfather was Jack Benny. So I should be funny or play violin, but neither applies.
How did you start drumming: I've always loved drums and like to watch drummers in shows, but growing up, I never learned any sort of musical instrument. Now I have 3 young children (all boys), and we're making music education mandatory. My 7-year-old started guitar about 6 months ago; my 6-year-old just started keyboard; and my 4-year-old will start something next year, and so far, he's leaning towards drums. With all that going on, my wife and I decided to join in, so she's learning guitar and me drums.
So here I am at the age of 47 just getting started on drums. So far, I'm self teaching, though I do plan to get an instructor. I definitely need it. I've also, so far, focused just on technique, practicing on pads with a metronome. I do plan to get a kit soon, but I have to say that I've gotten pretty obsessed with technique and rudiments. For me, it's surprisingly fun, and I can spend amazing amounts of time just doing practice exercises. I've bought pretty much every technique DVD and book out there, and many of them are very good.
Mainly, I've been following the lesson plan in Mark Wessels "A Fresh Approach to the Snare Drum," and I supplement that with exercises from books (especially "Stick Control" and "Syncopation") and imitation of technique from DVDs (especially Tommy Igoe's "Great Hands"). Great stuff. Great fun!
-- Bobby
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name?
How long have you been playing?
5 years.
Origin of user name?
K for Kyle, Beatle for the Beatles, 97 for the year I was born.
Your top 5 drummers?
In no particular order...
1. John Bonham
2. Max Roach
3. Elvin Jones
4. Mitch Mitchell
5. Art Blakey
Make of drumkit?
DW shells, pedals, and hardware, Remo heads, Pearl steel shell snare.
Make of cymbal?
Zildjian and Meinl
Where do you practice?
Music room in my basement. Here are some pictures with my old drums. Ignore the fake mural in the window. It used to be a kid's bedroom. That should be switched out as soon as the new mural gets here.
Are you in a band?
Yes, we haven't come up with any names, but it's a jazz trio. I like to think we're pretty good. Our pianist has actually been on Good Morning America playing the piano. Current setlist is in my sig. I'm also in the school praise band, selected from all the high school. I'm the only freshmen to have ever been selected. The last two I'm in are also jazz. There's an organization called KCYJ, Kansas City Youth Jazz, though it's not really young youth. Most people are between 7th and 12th grade. I'm in one of the big bands there, and also a small combo of about 5. This is also how I met the two toher guys in my jazz trio.
Do you play covers or originals?
Both. Mostly covers of standards, but we have some original blues and jazz tunes, and even some funk and rock tunes.
What style of music?
Jazz, bossa, mambo, samba, funk, and some rock.
Favourite take out food?
Cheeseburgers. That counts, right?
What country do you live in?
One really odd fact about yourself?
I collect vinyl records. I have about 400 of them, mostly classic rock. While I mostly play jazz, my favorite listening is classic rock. Rarest records in my collection are a first pressing of Some Girls by the Rolling Stones, with the original girls on the cover, and a first pressing of Led Zeppelin III with the rotating wheel. And yes, I play them.
How did you start drumming?
In 4th grade I decided I would join the 5th grade band, and to get a leg up on everyone else, I started taking glockenspiel lessons about midway through 4th grade. I had taken piano since first grade, so I knew how to read, play, etc. It was just a matter of getting the feel. I enjoyed lessons, and eventually, my instructor started me playing marching and concert snare, which led to drumset. Nowadays, I don't do much snare, and I'm not in the school band, but I do still play in the 4 bands I mentioned.
And that's me. Hope to become an active member here. Seems like a great community!
Kansas City Jazz Drummer!
DW Performance drums, Zildjian/Meinl cymbals, DW hardware
New Member
I have just joined today. I'm in the UK. Still finding my way around on this site. So I'll post more as I find my feet.
Carl Cochrane
Re: New Member
Welcome, Carl. We're glad to have you. Tell us a little more about your kit, your playing experience, type of music you like to play, etc....
I am deluded enough to think I can bring something to the table - Huey Lewis.
Re: New Member
Welcome Carl. Whereabouts in the UK are you? I see you're the author of "how to be a great drummer". I need your help!!!!!!!!
Another newbie!
Hello, all fellow drummers. I am a newb here on drummerworld, and I just wanted to say hello to everyone. I am a drummer of about 9 years, gigging drummer of about 2. Im 29, and live in upstate NY(yes, there is another part of NY BESIDES the city
I will ask stupid, obvious questions now and again, and I am never shy on inputting my 2 cents worth, especially if I have experience with said subject. Please dont take offense, or think Im trying to steal a thread, I just want people to know and understand my ideas and experiences as well.
I am a metal drummer who is discovering the dynamic side of drumming, so bear with me. Its not that hard to teach a brutal metal head new tricks! Lol. and with that, im off. Everyone have a wonderful day!
Back In The Saddle!
So...its been quite a while since I've done any posting on the forums. Ive just been so busty with the band! But Im back and Ill be chiming in fairly regularly now!
A little update on what I've been up to with the band and my drumming...
Recorded our album in multi million dollar studio with producer Tom Tatman (Stone Sour) released back in May.
Since then, we've managed to connect with publicist that got Marilyn Manson discovered :)
Now, were just booking up a bunch of dates on the road around the midwest region and doing what we do best-rock out! And for the better of the people too in doing more charity and benefit shows and what not. We've become the band that gives back in these hard times while Uncle Sam is slacking ;) Shows are getting more vital with press, and in turn the music is getting spread more. Gotta love a good movement behind good music!
Anywho, its good to be back on here. Looking forward to the interaction between fellow drummets and musicians! Get Some!
Re: Back In The Saddle!
Ill post some pics of the kit and some links later! Can't from my phone while at work unfortunately
Re: New Member
Hi everyone,
I live in Yeovil, Somerset, South West England. We are on the leggy bit that sticks out west on the map. Warmed by the gulf stream - no not my jet (I wish) but the wind from the States.
The drum kit is a Tama Superstar Hyperdrive in white, Mapex Blaster Snare. Also have an electric DTX Extreme.
Confession....its not mine! Its my Sons George Cochrane. Check out his web site at www.georgecochrane.co.uk He is now 17 and just joined the signed band Silient Empathy as the drummer.
I will encourage him to join this forum.
My role is dad the roadie! I wrote an eBook based on what I have picked up and just wish I had that amazing ability. As I find out tips & strategies from the journey of being a beginner through to becoming a world drumming superstar I will pass on the tips, techniques and what materials and DVDs etc look useful along the way. If you want you can go to www.howtodrumtoday.com and I will keep you posted.
I'm an Engineer (I created Text Messaging and other stuff in the mobile telecoms & internet arena). If you are interested check out www.cochrane.uk.net So I understand sound & tech etc, and now beginning to try drumming. Thing is I'm not always allowed on the precious drum kit! I may just have to remain inspired by all those talented drummers out there.
Carl Cochrane
Last edited by CarlC; 11-04-2011 at 09:00 PM.
Re: New Member
Is there a larger book as pictured since the downloadable one is only 18 pages? Free is a great price but looking at the picture of the book just wondering if there is more. Thanks.
Retirement...August 21, 2015
Feel. Control the Bounce.
Re: New Member
Welcome on-board Carl!
This is a solid brotherhood, that you have joined. Interesting stuff give us more input about it...prior buying your book! Cheers,
The back of beyond ...
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name
Alexander Ljungberg
How long have I been playing
5-6 years
Origin of my username
I don't really know, it was a mockup between Impulse and something else, can't remember.
Top 5 drummers
Nicko McBrain, Chris Slade, Phil Rudd, Daniel Mullback, Joey Jordison
Make of drumkit
Pearl and Bigbeat
Make of cymbals
Premier and some unidentified
Where do you practice
Are you or were you in a band
I'm in a newly started rock band, we havn't come up with a name yet
Covers or originals
I love to play covers but i try to do them more original to me. I try to make every cover i learn more special to me!
Style of music
Rock, Thrash Metal, Power Metal, Heavy Metal, NWOBHM, Pop Rock, (Some Death Metal when i feel like unleashing some fury)
Take out food
Preferably MAX Hamburgers(Swedish hamburger fast food brand), but pizza or kebab will do.
How did I start drumming
I wanted to play a instrument and i tried guitar, still practices it but I'm not that good at it.. So my dad bought a cheap drumkit and i really liked it! Been playing ever since!
Other Hobbies/Interests/Activities:
I'm a game programming student and i play alot of PC games. I'm into cosplaying and I'm currently building a Stormtrooper costume from Star Wars. I'm also interested in Paintball and airsoft, but since airsoft got a 18 years restriction here in Sweden, i stick with Paintball at the moment.
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Hi All, I've been lurking around this forums like for few weeks and decided to join in :p
Real name: Marilyn
Age: Just turn 14
How long have you been playing: 4weeks? LOL I'm still a newbie ;D
Origin of user name: I've use this name on a few other forums...
Your top 5 drummers: Lars Ulrich,The Rev,Joey Jordison,Neil Pert?(I forgot his name) And the Sum41 Drummer.
Make of drumkit: Haven bought one yet..... xD
Make of cymbal: Same as above
Where do you practice: At home with pads and pillows :)
Are you in a band: Not yet...Going to be...
Do you play covers or originals: I'm still a newbie.....
What style of music: Heavy Metal(Metallica mostly),Hard Rock,Pop? (Think LMFAO)
Favourite take out food: Hmmm tough one....anything I guess? :D
What country do you live in: Some corrupted country name Malaysia....Sigh....It's Very Hard to Find Used Drums here.....
One really odd fact about yourself: A girl that drums?
How did you start drumming: I wanna be unique...besides you don't get girls drummer a lot right? ;D
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Real name? Wesley
Age? 21
How long have you been playing? Since this last august, but started putting in serious practice time these last 2 months now that I'm not busy all the time anymore
Origin of user name? Nickname
Your top 5 drummers? Brann Dailor, Levon Helm, Carl Palmer, Terry Bozzio, and John Bonham.
Make of drumkit? Ludwig Element 5 piece 22 x 18 bass drum, 10 x 8, 12 x 9, and 13 x 10 toms, 16 x 16 floor tom, 14-6 /12 snare
Make of cymbal? Meinl HCS 20 inch ride, 16 inch crash, and 14 inch hi-hats
Where do you practice? My room
Are you in a band? Negative, maybe one day
Do you play covers or originals? Occasionally play along to songs, but right now focusing on learning rudiments, basic grooves, just having fun with the drums.
What style of music? My favorite is progressive rock especially concept albums, but I'll listen to any type of music once at least to see if i like it.
Favourite take out food? Pep n mush pizza and any type of Hamburgers or Cheeseburgers
What country do you live in? The United States of America
One really odd fact about yourself? I listen to way too much music and it throws off my sleeping schedule
How did you start drumming? First messed around with a friends drum set when I was in eighth grade. This last summer after I got my first job I decide to save and buy a drumset. Best investment I've ever made.
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I decided to put together a website-blog to be used as a business card of sorts for potential musical partnerships or projects/employment. I figured this is better to have a centralized location for all things under my real name, Matt Eder, instead of having to jump around from my Facebook page to YouTube to get a complete picture of my drumming endeavors. If you're interested, please check it out and leave a few comments. I'm always open to feedback ;)
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nice site! the layout and content appears very professional, easy to navigate and great blog archives. your a good drummer man, i like your style.
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nice site.
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'Three of a Perfect Pair'? I had to laugh. Awesome.
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I'm a little older than you guys and I love a rockin' Polka, you too??
Age=I'm old
Playing exper.=I'm old
user name=given to me by fellow musicians a few years ago
top five drummers=Chick Webb, Buddy Rich, Chris Columbus, Elvin Jones, Doctor Dirt.
Drum kit= 1992 Premier Signia (Saphire) Doctor Dirt snare drum (african mahogany) 5x14
Cymbals= Sabian HH 16/18 (all first year production) Sabian 21" Dry Ride. Zil. 14 rock
Practice= in my mind when its not to cluttered.
............the End! Doc.
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DENVER (April 18)- The 2012-13 Academic All-WAC men and women's basketball, men's and women's indoor track and field, women's swimming and diving and gymnastics teams have been announced. New Mexico State placed 37 winter student-athletes on to the list. The Aggies now has 96 academic all-conference honorees this season after 59 from the fall semester.
To be eligible, a student-athlete must have completed at least one academic year, have at least a 3.00 cumulative grade point average and have participated in at least 50 percent of the team's contests.
"We are very proud of our student-athletes as they continue to be at the forefront of the Academic All-WAC honorees," athletics director Dr. McKinley Boston said. "We're proud of the work they did this winter both in competition and in the classroom."
Sophomore K.C. Ross-Miller represented the men's basketball program, while seniors Chrissy Fletcher, Malia Magazzeni and Kelsie Rozendaal, and sophomores Elena Holguin and Simone Ruedin were women's basketball honorees.
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"We are very proud of our student-athletes, and their dedication not only on the basketball court but especially in the classroom," women's basketball head coach Mark Trakh said. "We hope to continue this tradition of academic excellence for years to come."
Women's indoor track and field honorees are seniors LaSasha Aldredge, Adrienne Larson, Camille Schultz, Courtney Schultz and Madelyn Stoltze, juniors Christiana Barela, Kelsey Brannan, Rylie Hightower, Diana Hawk, Zoe Meade, Kayla Nagunst, Alishia Perkins, Carly Porter, Gael Sanchez, Horlexus Willis, sophomores Taylor Black, Caroline Lewiecki, Victoria Trujillo and freshman Marissa Gonzales.
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Technology has advanced and the time has come to put up a successor to the Hubble Space Telescope. NASA is well on the way to a next generation space telescope but to my horror, they've chosen to call it the James Webb Space Telescope!
"Who the hell is James Webb?" you might ask. Well, he was a lawyer and a bureaucrat. He happened to be the top administrator of NASA through the glory years of Gemini and Apollo, but he was not a scientist.
Is anyone else offended by having a piece of advanced technology named after a bureaucrat? I'm fine with putting his name on a government building, but I think the next generation space telescope should be named after a scientist - perhaps Carl Sagan.
Should we protest?
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Hubble has not just made several major scientific discoveries. It has also given us amazing photos of the Universe.Take a look. While it has advanced our scientific knowledge it has more than increased our desire for further discoveries. It has revealed so much more wonder and majesty for us that we are inspired to want to search of more. The very name "Hubble" has inspired a generation to get involved in cosmology and in turn study the works of Hubble himself. There may be scientists working today only because their passion took fire because they were inspired by the man himself as much as by the discoveries. I am sure the name "Sagan" would do the same. The Sagan Space Telescope is a better sounding name than the James Webb choice. While the JWST will make more amazing discoveries and show us other worlds like never before it will lose some of its majesty with such a banal and uninspiring name. More Redshift, less red tape.
There is a video here on the history of Hubble and what the "Sagan" may discover.
Call it The Flying Spaghetti Monster Space Decoder Ring if you want, just keep funding science instead of bomb making.
I believe space exploration defines us as a species and is one of the loftier aspirations we can undertake. I certainly agree the funding of science is preferred over the making of instruments of death. Unfortunately weapons technology is a science oriented industry. I am concerned with the U.S. inability to balance their budget, it in fact just continues to grow larger, and I am surprised that the younger generation (under 40) is not more vociferous about correcting the problem. Everything needs to be scaled back until we get our fiscal house in order. Otherwise we are burying ourselves under a mountain that will eventually turn into a landslide. I would certainly rather fund NASA than continue to give billions to countries like Egypt and Pakistan who vote against us 90% of the time in the U.N. The business of world politics and funding countries is a dirty one at best.
Absolutely! Edwin Hubble was the most influential name in astronomy in the 20th Century. Though he was heavily influenced by family members to practice law or teach (both of which he did briefly), his obsession with what's "out there" led him to Mt. Wilson and a permanent position there. Even so, he was the first astronomer to use the then new, telescope at Mt. Palomar. Hubble's name, like that of Galileo before him, is forever linked to the telescope and his discovery of the expansion of the Universe not only confirmed Einstein's theories, but forever changed the image of the Universe from one of a steady state, to a vibrant, evolving one that permitted a glimpse back in time to its very origin.
James Webb may well be the finest man who ever walked the planet, but he might as well be James Wood, for all his connection to space, when compared with Edwin Hubble. I would rather see it named after Neil Armstrong than James Webb, but naming it after Carl Sagan would be an excellent choice and a fitting memorial for all of his many contributions to the field.
I think Patrick Moore deserves a mention too but I think we should name a planet after him.
I can see that - his bio makes him sound like someone I would have enjoyed watching. Know if there are any videos out there? I can look for myself, but you usually have your finger on the pulse of such things.
This one is I hope viewable from the USA. It is the on the BBC website. He interviewed all the greats of the last century. Included here are interviews with Carl Sagan and Neil Armstrong.
Also a few good links and a brief history of his 55 year long TV show "The Sky at Night" are there too.
He was an accomplished piano player and once (pre WW2 I think) played alongside Einstein who was a keen violin player (relativley speaking - ouch).
Admittedly on a complete tangent, and apropos of nothing really, Hubble was raised in a religious atmosphere, but once he was deeply invested in his career in astronomy, became an agnostic.
Webb was no scientist but consider his greatest achievement: securing resources for NASA. Look at the numbers below and note what happened to NASA's budget during his tenure.
The name choice is probably a political move to draw attention to NASA's dwindling budget. Public approval of NASA remains high. Even in the middle of a severe recession 60% of Americans wanted NASA's funding left alone or increased, which is extraordinary. Congressional approval ratings are at all-time lows, so a strong association with NASA's star power could be helpful to any politician worried about his or her job security.
It's troubling that funding for scientific research is such a political matter. But it is. If it helps NASA get it off the ground they can call it the Coca-Cola telescope for all I care.
Year and NASA budget as Percentage of Federal Budget
1958 0.10%
1959 0.20%
1960 0.50%
1961 0.90%
1962 1.18% (First budget passed after Webb lobbies for support)
1963 2.29%
1964 3.52%
1965 4.31%
1966 4.41%
1967 3.45%
1968 2.65%
1969 2.31% (Last Webb-era budget)
1970 1.92%
1971 1.61%
1972 1.48%
1973 1.35%
1974 1.21%
1975 0.98%
1976 0.99%
1977 0.98%
1978 0.91%
1979 0.87%
1980 0.84%
1981 0.82%
1982 0.83%
1983 0.85%
1984 0.83%
1985 0.77%
1986 0.75%
1987 0.76%
1988 0.85%
1989 0.96%
1990 0.99%
1991 1.05%
1992 1.01%
1993 1.01%
1994 0.94%
1995 0.88%
1996 0.89%
1997 0.90%
1998 0.86%
1999 0.80%
2000 0.75%
2001 0.76%
2002 0.72%
2003 0.68%
2004 0.66%
2005 0.63%
2006 0.57%
2007 0.58%
2008 0.60%
2009 0.57%
2010 0.52%
2011 0.53%
2012 0.48%
2013 0.52% (projected)
2014 0.52% (projected)
2015 0.52% (projected)
GM, thanx for providing the information that helps us to a decision.
If we can name a Navy aircraft carrier for Ronald Reagan, who started the Republican borrowing frenzy that has brought us to near bankruptcy, we can easily name a space telescope for a NASA administrator who so successfully got money for his agency.
Webb contributed a pittance to the debt we are passing to our kids. Our keeping military bases in most of the world's nations is contributing far more. Churchill once said the sun doesn't set on the British Empire. We can truthfully say the sun doesn't set on the American military. How many of us are protesting this?
I always liked the sound of the name Hubble - I grew up with just knowing it was out there, the Hubble bubble in Space. I really do understand your point about attributing the name of someone to such a magnificent invention, but in the end, the invention itself ends up owning the name. I could wiki James Webb, but my thoughts don't really rely on who he is or was.
I'm thinking we have the World Wide Web that lets us, via computer, connect across the world. So a Universal Web is quite a correlative name. One B or two, doesn't really matter, because although scientists will write the word, non-scientists, lay people like me will use the word more verbally.
Let them have Webb - I predict the second B will end up atrophying and the Galactic or Universal Web will lose its significance in terms of naming, but gain it via its expanding of our understanding of what is actually out there.
(on a side note, it occurs to me that much of the Far East has problems pronouncing the letter W - as do the French. Oh well...)
Here is a good site for Hubble photos. At the top of the page there is 25mb zip file with 100 of Hubbles best photos. I downloaded and opened it so it is virus free. Would make for good screen savers or xmas cards even.


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Far above the Arctic Circle, at the northern limits of Scandinavia, live one of Europe's last indigenous peoples, the Sami. They are, or for the most part were, a seminomadic group, migrating with their reindeer from the forests to the northern coast for the short Arctic summer. But modern life has encroached on the Sami's traditional lifestyle: roads and new national borders have sprung up across centuries-old migration routes, and many of the old ways of life have been lost because of government policies that sent generations of Sami children to boarding schools in the south.
In Finland, Sami campaigners are nearing the end of a long battle to have their right to land that they have inhabited for centuries recognised in law. They propose, in line with the International Labour Organisation's Indigenous and Tribal Peoples Convention, that control of 20,000 square miles of state land should pass to the Sami parliament in Inari, 800 miles north of Helsinki.
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The current Helsinki government has pledged to resolve this issue finally during its term of office. But here in Enontekiö, in the heart of Lapland, the prospect of altering the status quo to favour one ethnic group has reignited friction in the community that has lain dormant for years. Finnish reindeer herders bicker with their Sami counterparts over who was where first – and thus who has best claim over the land. Local entrepreneurs fear ruin if their access to the wilderness and its fishing and forestry is curtailed. Others trawl their family trees for Sami relatives so that they, too, might benefit from the changes.
The mayor of Enontekiö, Mikko Kärnä, has been vocal in opposing the proposal. He told me: "Only 10 per cent of Enontekiö residents are on the Sami [electoral] register: [if land rights are granted] the Sami parliament will have a lot more power than that proportion would suggest." One point of contention is how to choose who will benefit from the changes. "Almost all northern people have some Sami blood in them somewhere – 95 per cent of all people in Lapland, according to one study. So where can we draw the line?"
The current rules are clear: an applicant to join the register must be a native speaker of a Sami language, or prove that a parent or grandparent was. But many who continue to live a traditional lifestyle have lost their language and are excluded as a result. Erika Sarivaara, a university researcher, had her application for Sami status rejected. In response, she has started a rival register of "non-status Sami" who seek recognition. "My ancestors have lived here for hundreds of years," she says. "If we say we are indigenous, then that has to be respected."
The test of the Sami parliament may be over how it wields any powers. Will members choose to oust their Finnish neighbours from the land in revenge for decades of persecution? And how will they treat their own minorities, the groups that feel excluded from their success?
On Sarivaara's kitchen table is a copy of the local newspaper. Its front page is emblazoned with the garish Sami flag. "Kuka on Saamelainen?" asks the headline: "Who is Sami?" It seems that no one here knows – but they had better find out, and soon.


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Laptops could use a little sexy back. For the past few years, tech companies have been focused on tablets and smartphones, and in the meantime, a simple clamshell laptop has been relegated to workhorse status. You use it to type blog posts on planes, not to glimpse a vision of the future. Apple's Macbook is a curiosity in a company now defined by the iPad and iPhone. But today Google unveiled the Chromebook Pixel, a premium, touch-screen laptop that's betting we're not in the post-PC era yet.
Google's previous Chromebooks were budget devices aimed at people looking for a second computer. The Pixel is different — it's aimed squarely at the Macbook Air. It's a premium product designed to be a status symbol akin to an Apple product. It has a high-resolution touchscreen with a total of 4.2 million pixels that Wired calls "gorgeous." It's priced at $1,300 for a standard, 32G version and $1,450 for a Verizon LTE-enabled version with 62G.
It runs Chrome OS and it's built for the cloud – hence the small hard-drives. That might make some users uncomfortable, but I think it's a decent bet to bank on what is bound to be the near-future of personal computing in all its forms. In addition, the Chrome OS doesn't have the sort of software long-established Windows and Mac operating systems boast – that's a problem for professionals and personal users alike.
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I'm not sure this product will jump out of its box. There are too many unknowns, from the pure reliance on cloud and the lack of software to the new OS and the pricing that beats out even Apple. The notion of having 3 Microphones is…stupid. It doesn't feel justified yet, as Darrel Ethrington writes at Tech Crunch:
"For a machine aiming at power users, it's a device surprisingly devoid of power features. ChromeOS is, for all its strengths, still essentially a browser, after all. This thing can't run Photoshop, which you'd be able to do no problem if you spend $100 less and get a 13-inch MacBook Air. It can play back movies on that gorgeous screen, but not in as many file formats or with as much ease as you could manage with a Lenovo Yoga 13, also cheaper at $1,049."
It's still exciting. This isn't always a purely logical market — witness the power of "the Apple tax." This feels like it could be anything-but-cautious beginning of serious Google computers. Between the sci-fi future of Project Glass and this intriguing new Pixel, I find myself getting more and more excited about Google hardware.
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