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I think changes in the games can be summarized as "revenue optimization in an increasingly competitive environment".
I consider changes in the community to be a result of the changes in the games. When devs stop catering to "X style plaers" and start catering to "Y style players", it's natural for the X's to leave and the Y's to dominate.
Kudos on the "devolution" comments. I too find myself struggling to consider changes in MMORPGs as progress.
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@ Beatnik59
Your post is spot on
Beatnik59 - That is a very good analysis. The OP was a good start, too.
I still think that a wider demographic would find they enjoyed the older, more interactive style of mmorpg if they ever got the chance to experience it. I even sometimes here WOW players wishing WOW had features that were in those earlier mmorpgs, even though they never heard of those games.
The tragedy is that back in the early days the will to make interactive, immersive virtual worlds was there, but the technology was somewhat limited. Now we have the technology to improve upon what we have before, but the will is gone.
However, I actually think there's hope in the casual players. They've shown that they have a pretty loose definition of what a game is supposed to be, so I think they would tolerate sandbox features if they were offered to them, and some players may even come to enjoy them.
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"Playing things I shouldn''t be playing since 1977."
Thanks for everybody's attention. And I thank nate1980 for bringing this topic up.
I think a major part of why we don't have the communities we had before is because we've lost tolerance for things we don't particularly understand or like. The "Great Playstyle Wars" is a concept I developed some time ago in previous threads. Here's an earlier rendition of it (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4877896#4877896)
"In an attempt to not displease everybody, the new games don't really satisfy anybody, at least not the people who like MMOs for the things MMOs do well (PK, immersive roleplay, complex systems, achievement).
In the early days, you had to be a tolerant player, subjecting yourself to things you didn't particularly like in order to get the good stuff you liked. But you were rewarded for this tolerance by getting the things you did like in a way no other game could match. This was a genre that encouraged a diverse and cosmopolitan notion of fun, but when those who really didn't understand this genre came into the picture, this notion of fun got destroyed.
The downfall started with what I call "the great playstyle flame wars" that were waged between 2003 and 2005. The wars generally started with threads that looked like this:
'It isn't right that I have to pay $15/mo to subject myself to (PK, roleplay foofoo, timesinks, decay, spawn camping, gated content, sticking a headset in my ear to get in a guild).'
And the piling-ons, pseudo-intellectual arguments, pleas for pathos, trolling defenders, and various insults meeting or exceeding Godwin's Law were heard from the plains of Trammel, to the heart of Coronet, to Paragon City, to Queynos, to Kalimdor, and many more places without end. And the community managers, producers, designers and VCs shook with horror at what was unleashed, vowing never again to make a game which subjected anyone to anything even the slightest bit inconvenient.
They created games where players don't have to be tolerant of other playstyles, because they took out all the material that caters to different playstyles. They created games where nobody ever has a reason to be offended at paying the publisher for things they don't like, but they did this by taking out or watering down all the material that people liked.
Who can blame them? It's the only thing they could have done for players who refuse to be tolerant of another's fun."
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
I really like the term "world builder". That perfectly describes my playstyle and what I expected from the mmorpgs I played.
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Originally posted by NaughtyP
Hehe yeah that is how I see it too......
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Originally posted by Beatnik59
Don't mention it, and thanks for adding to the discussion.
I wonder if developers would have stuck to their guns and kept creating the cosmopolitan games, if the short term loss of subscribers would of lead to longer term subscriptions as a whole. I imagine the genre would be less saturated, but the retention rate would be greater. We'll never know of course, but it's fun to think about.
I honestly can't imagine a themepark game getting much better than GW2 is, and people in general are getting bored of that game too. I don't think sandbox games really have a market at this time either. Just look at the turnout for DF, MO, and Vanguard before those three games were known to be buggy, crap, or whatever you care to label it.
With player boredom at an all time high, and innovation at a low (although it's picking up some), will we see a resurgence of more complex games designed to last players for the long term, games that everyone can also enjoy, even if it's a culture shock and takes time to learn and get into?
Like I said, if there is going to be a revival, I really think it will come from the casual market. Players of social games and browser games have shown that they're willing to put up with almost anything if it's packaged right, so I'm sure they can be guided into interacting with other playstyles. They have few pre-conceived notions about what a multiplayer game is supposed to be like. I believe that there is a market for a casual sandbox, which could be a gateway drug to a demand for more complexity and the high-end market.
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Draw Something is now an MMO. God has forsaken us.
For like the millionth fucking time:
People don't like old MMOs because they played them first. They like them because they prefer that game style.
I played the pokemon TCG then the Digimon one and then Yugioh and then Harry Potter and then last I played Magic. And I like Magic better because its better. Pokemon and Harry Potter were better than Yugioh and Digimon was probably the worst.
My preference order was:
Digimon, Yugioh, Pokemon, Harry Potter, Magic. Or to make it more simple:
Order of play:
Order of preference:
It has nothing to do with the one I played when trading card games were new and unexplored to me. It has to do with which games are better, imo of course.
Similarly with MMOs I played runscape and then tibia and then WoW and then guild wars and then a tale in the desert and so forth.
Guess what, Runescape is my least favorite. Because the order I was exposed to them doesn't fucking matter.
The people who prefer old style MMOs prefer them because that game style is more interesting. If I hear this rose tinted glasses bullshit one more time I will have to go out and kick puppies.
So the next time you want to make a stupid/moronic/unsubstantiated argument which has no basis in reality, except apparently among WoW players, go figure, think of the god damn puppies and go post in in the WoW forums. It will be on par with the intellectual level of the WoW player base.
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Originally posted by nate1980
i agree with you 100%
i miss the good old days when mmorpgs were played by mmorpg fans only , now it just seems like everyone has come in and taken over and ruined it for us oldskool players
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Both of your posts are really spot on and great reads.
I really long for those diverse worlds as I ma uterly bored of conveniant 'combat combat combat' one dimensional mmorpg's.
For me current mmorpg's are so much diffrent than those first mmorpg's that it personally feel like difftent genre, difftent game - diffrence is really huge.
And cash shops ridicule original mmorpg concept I long for even more.
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"Playing things I shouldn''t be playing since 1977."
I think a good place to start is to take a look at "non-combat" play as important again. Because it really is important to millions of people.
I mean, just look at Zynga's games for Facebook. You have millions of people, many of which are outside the traditional demographics for MMOs, who find satisfaction simply planting and harvesting crops for days and building interactive environments they can share. Look at games like Sim City and The Sims, these are games that are perennial favorites that are super fun, super engaging, and attract millions.
And when I think how MMOs have been doing the same things Zynga does, better than Zynga does, more cheaply for the consumer than Zynga does, more ethically than Zynga does (we never had to spend $10 extra to save a dying Bambi in UO, for example), it makes me wonder why the developers of MMOs don't care.
Why don't they care? I have to think that the reason is because of the whole echo chamber that was started in "The Great Playstyle Wars." People and clans who wanted the combat of FPS and action games basically piled onto the forums and the focus groups and said, "we're here for the combat," and the producers acquiesed. And when you consider, also, that many in the production houses are also 18-30 year old single males who are obsessed with FPS and action games, you start to get a notion of fun that's rather limited to the things they know.
But 18-30 year old single males who get a kick out of fighting aren't typically "community builders." You need elders. You need women. You need homesteaders and planners. You need 'geeks' (and I say that in a good way, in reference to smart types who are thinkers). Those form the heart of the community in which the young fighting types can find meaning, direction and purpose. But you need a game that can attract these "community building" people, foster these people, and give them opportunities to be respected and valued.
It starts with non-combat, which is--to me--far more important than combat is when creating a virtual world. After all, I think a "fighting type" will put up with an imperfect combat system, if the world they are fighting in is particularly well developed.
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
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Originally posted by Cuathon
I'll bite. Yeah, rose tinted glasses do play a role. Feel free to find some puppies after you're done reading :) Are rose tinted glasses the sole determining factor for everyone? No, of course not. Does nostalgia and a rose tinted look not play a role for anybody at all? The same, most certainly not. Truth lies somewhere in the middle.
It'd be interesting if a survey was held or would be held if people thought their first year(s) of MMO gaming were their best, no matter when they started. And if the first MMO they really enjoyed, was still on the first or second spot of best MMO gameplay experience of all their MMO gaming life. I expect the percentage that answers those questions with yes, based on the accounts of MMO gamers on various forums, than a simple 'that 1st game was better' would account for. Ofc, it remains guesswork since there is no such survey.
There are research projects however that determined that for most people, their music taste gets 'anchored' in their first formative years of engaged music listening, in their teens up till early '20s. The music trends that manage to steal their hearts in that period of time'll remain their bias and most favored, what comes later doesn't touch us that intensely anymore. Of course, there'll always be exceptions but those were the patterns that those reports laid bare.
Personally, I'm guessing it's kinda like with sex: the intensity and excitement peak that each sex encounter delivers in those first years or those first times that you experience something new is higher on average than later years when you've done it a 100-200+ times. Sure, sex'll always be fun no matter when. But man, those first sex partners, or the sex in those first months with your current partner...
So yeah, I'm guessing nostalgia and rose tinted glasses do play a role, in how some regard their first year(s) of MMO gaming with later on, how much will differ from one person to the next.
There's also the automatic filtering. Some blogs and articles talked about it, how there have been gamers that tried MMO's with UO and EQ, got turned off by the mechanics, left MMO's behind them, only to step in it again and got really excited about them when WoW appeared. Those that liked the mechanics of the UO/EQ type of MMO's stuck around, those that didn't left or got what they were looking for when WoW came around.
That's how I see it. Feel free to disagree :)
@Beatnik59, great read, good points in your posts! *thumbs up*
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Originally posted by Beatnik59
I completely agree. SWG's is tied as my most favorite MMORPG. It had player ran cities, non-combat profession, combat professions, player housing, PvP, and a large unexplored galaxy without any hand holding. People banded together to figure things out, they took advantage of the non-combat professions, they build cities, hunted and traded materials with crafters and so on.
We need non combat professions alongside combat professions. Make crafting a game all by itself like SWG did, and the economy will be awesome. Put more features into the game, that have nothing to do with combat, that are equally as polished and appealling as the combat system.
I am so bored with all the fighting. Sure, I call myself an adventurer in these games and I do prefer fighting over most activities, but I need other stuff to do. I may spend some time adventuring, and then want to find people interested in what I found. Later, I may want to deposit some things in my house and build that up a little bit. Next, I may want to meet with my guild to plan future projects for our city. Later, a group of us may band together to elimate threats around our city, and then answer a call to arms in a nearby NPC city being invaded by Players from an enemy faction. Then after that's all said and done, I may want to drop by the local pub and have a few drinks, socialize with players who are also there for a drink, or who are bartending or dancing since both are player professions you can play instead of a combat profession.
I think everyone gets my meaning. We want a virtual world. You don't have to call it a sandbox, a themepark, or a sandpark or any other term. We just want more than one important thing to do in the same game, and it all should be equally as good as all other parts, and it shouldn't all be centered around combat.
Also, what about mob density in current games? I remember being able to zig and zag around most mob camps in older games. Combat was something you engaged in when you wanted to, not every step through a zone on your way to some other point. It's tiring to have to fight for every step when all there is to do anyways is combat combat combat.
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You guys are on a roll with this thread, and tossing around some really good ideas.
Despite what some Development leaders have said recently, some folks really do want to be Uncle Owen. (at least some of the time)
Virtual worlds inspire better communities, action oriented combat style game play does not.
In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
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Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms
Originally posted by Beatnik59
Really great post Beatnik59. An interesting view.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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The question is, would the action oriented players accept less combat or not as good combat, because half of the resources went to these other activities?
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"Playing things I shouldn''t be playing since 1977."
Originally posted by AvatarBlade
I think they would, because no MMO--not even WoW--can ever duplicate the kind of combat you'd find in other media (Diablo-style games, FPS, etc.).
Look at EVE. EVE is exactly the kind of combat the combat types say they don't want: it's long and drawn out. It's been described as "spreadsheet combat" that has little visual appeal. It's not twitch-based at all. You see your target, lock it on, set your modules as needed, and watch the result.
EVE combat is a rather simplistic system, and yet combat-wonks love EVE. But it isn't because of the combat system. It's because of the sheer scope of the game.
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
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Originally posted by Beatnik59
But according to your theory, these are the people that first wanted all this stuff out so their gameplay style gets more focus. People that don't want to tolerate other playstyles that impeed their own to get to a goal.
Also EvE is considered niche and I'd say indies are already trying (some better, some worse) what you are talking about. The problem is the majority of the players, the mainstream accepting something like this.
And since you brought in WoW combat, there are already a lot of people complaining that recent combat systems are not as fluid as WoWs is, and this is in combat centric games, where a lot of resources go to that.
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Originally posted by Beatnik59Originally posted by AvatarBlade
I agree, but only partly. The problem here is generalisation. Even with what EVE and SWG had to offer, their playerbase was no more than 300-350k - you can subtract a number EVE's subs as coming from players with multiple subs fueled by real money or ingame currency, and SWG was bleeding subs heavily in the post WoW/EQ2 launch era even before any NGE hit the deck. So, even with what those games offered, you'll have large numbers of MMO gamers who aren't that charmed because of them. Because they can see flaws and weaknesses - for them - that fans of those games can't see or have a blind spot for.
I think it's a good thing if an MMO is wellrounded and offers something for all kind of gamers. But just adding sandbox features won't just automatically create a game that everyone or even the majority of MMO gamers, old and newer ones, will like, nor will it automatically guarantuee that you'll have the right community interactivity that you want for such an MMO. As for gaming enjoyment - I've seen any Bartle type have their fun in both themepark as well as sandbox MMO's. I agree that the more various features and mechanics that support all kinds of gameplay the better, but it isn't some surefire guarantee.


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Congratulations on the upgrade to the site. I know a lot of hard work has gone into making it happen. I look forward to a time when just one account is needed across all of the Mobile Nations sites. The less logins I need to have, the better.
Keep up the great work!
I really love how you and the rest of the iMore staff have taken the site to a whole new level. Since I have been a member and have read numerous articles from highly technical replacing hardware to how this app works, these have been great. I am technician, so I love the detail and effort that goes into the demonstrations you guys do daily. I can't wait to get the iPhone 5, that will be my next iOS device. Fabulous job to you and your team. I truly appreciate all that you do.
The more and more I come to this site, the more I fall in love with it. I think the only thing that I would absolutely kill to see would be a section where you guys give us a "backstage pass" to what your iPhones look like. Like, what kind of wallpapers you use, or case you might be rockin at the moment or even how you organize your apps! Just to kinda give us some ideas to use for our own devices!
I'd like to see more account editing options, as well as the ability to delete and old account that is still present with an old email. Perhaps I'm not seeing how to do it, but after making a new account under the impression it was necessary, I've realized I can't figure out how to delete my old one!
I would love to see some more video content, otherwise your site is looking so fresh and so clean, clean!
Excellent job ladies and gents. Keep it up!!!
Comments are soooo much better. As far as any new suggestions, maybe just keeping the search features updated and fresh. A good search tool is invaluable on this site
All this praise - not one negative feedback. Are the admins deleting critisism or am I the only person who hates this change?
I personally have an iPhone, not a WebOS, Android, Windows or Blackberry device. Why would I even want a membership to their sites, ever? Sure, if I buy one of the above devices, and sell my iPhone (not bloody likely) I'll sign up on their website. But to automatically register you for their sites? Where was the question asking me if I, the end-user who pays your bills with impression based ads, popup/unders and ad sponsored streaming feeds? What if I don't want to be a member of Crackberry?
What is the opt-out process of all these auto-registers, and if there isn't one, where is the delete account option. A chance so massive such as this without asking approval from me is something that is just not wanted, ever. I personally hate RIM and all they stand for; they're a dying company making decisions more poor than their last, therefor I don't wish to support Blackberry, and any of the off-shoot news related sites, regardless of partnership or affiliation (That's Crackberry or any other site that reports RIM/BB news).
You won't be forced to read or subscribe to anything you don't want to. I know a lot of phone fanatics and enthusiasts jump between platforms quite often. Part of the great thing about the change is that you don't have to bounce between accounts and site credentials. Choose whatever MN site you want and you're good to go.
Adjustable text and picture sizes (or a new layout) so less scrolling is required.
I love the new comments system, much more cleaner and streamlined. I'd like to see that unified login across the MN sites as well, it should be an awesome experience for those of us who love to jump from site to site discovering interesting things about the other platforms.
I'd like the site to have an "Add to Pocket" button so I can read the article later, maybe next to the SM sharing buttons. Also, I'd like to see a more tailored and clean post design, I think there's too much white space being wasted in some areas. And finally, I'd love to have a Mobile Nations app for all the platforms, unifying news and forums maybe, pump some HTML5 to the mix and you'll have an easy way to distribute it to most of the platforms, if not all of them.
Keep up the AMAZING work iMore/MN Team!! You guys absolutely rock!!
We can fix that. Email email@example.com and Michelle will help you out!
I'd love to see a dedicated iPad app that can both view articles and search forums efficiently. (and I dont know if it would be possible, but having UStream integrated would also be nice to allow for podcast participation! ) :)
I love the refreshed look of the site as is. One thing I think that would be beneficial would be a weekly or bi-weekly podcast where you answered questions submitted during the week or two before the show or possibly live from the chat room. Perhaps both? Would be kick ass!! This is still the best damn site for ios news!!!
This is awesome! I have always loved imore (tipb) and think this update is great. I have been a long member of the forums and being able to link my commenting to the forums is a great feature. I would like to see more in-depth reviews and how-tos of iOS features. I would also like to see more user ability to help shape content. Some user contests to have us as guest writers and contributors would also be awesome.
I read imore everyday. Love the new look and format. If there's something I would change, I guess it would be more accessory reviews.....I guess. Keep up the good work!!
I figured it would break the app but I'm sure they're on fixing that. Articles probably pull in different. Not sure if it will require an update to the app or just a back-end fix. Hopefully that'll be fixed soon :)
You should seperate the iMore selling portions from the forum and post sections. Can't wait either way for whatever is pushed out.
Can't wait for iOS 6 and iMore 3.0 (too soon?)
Super excited for the update and the awesome community!! Long live iMore!!
I'm liking it the way it is.
So much change has come to the site since its inception. The revamp of comments and synchronization between the Mobile Nations community was a nice touch. I'd personally like to see more video podcasts; audio is fine, but video is great and a much better platform for getting the message out.
Anyhow, thanks for putting up two $600 giveaways! and as always, keep up the great work. You guys really are the number one resource for everything iOS!!!
2.0 looks great guys, very clean, organized, you guys should do a section on AOTD or app of the week on the top so you can have a daily or weekly traffic of people looking for a new cool app. otoh, new is always better! keep up the good work, oh, Georgia is my secret crush @iPhoneHoy :)
Content is generally great, but maybe a few more features with devs & people in the industry.
Would also LOVE some consistency on the main page with headlines & pics. Find it very annoying that some headlines are above pics, while others are below (just a personal irritation).
Keep up the great work!
Great job on constantly updating things. I would love to know more about the reasoning behind moving from WordPress to Drupal. Maybe a iMore 2.0 behind the scenes of sorts?
I like where the new look is going. I would love to see some highlighted reviews/headlines on the home page like on androidcentral.com. and maybe a Jailbreak section on the home page also! Enlighten people to all that great jailbroken iPhone potential that can be unlocked!
Keep up the great work iMORE!
I would really like to see an internship program, or another function that allows for aspiring Apple blogger like myself to write, and possibly have an article published on the iMore site. Please reply to this comment with any further information.
I love this site, always keeping up with the new things going on with Apple.
to improve: a cleaner site, less navigation and more ways to discover Apple products.
Like the new updates! I'd like to see a better profile system where you can have your posts be 'liked' and can become different ranks within the community and become more 'trusted' of a member.
Me too ;)
Hey guys, I love the new look- SUPER sleek and smooth.
I reccomend just More content overall, less "ad-like" posts and more software and app coverage especially for iPad.
Good job!
Hey Guys, I'm new to the community although I have been reading these Web sites since Palm was around. Anyway, My family have learned so much from your website on the "How to's " etc. I am certainly a Layman in tech terms but this website is so user friendly. Thanks and Keep up the good work.
Loving iMore 2.0!
I know you already do some jailbreak posts, but I'd love to see more jailbreak tips and tweaks.
Otherwise, keep up the good work guys. I can't wait to see what we get in this new chapter of iMore.
The new latest headlines and disucssion tabs on the homepage are awsome! Great addition. Also, I would love it if you bought back the 'App for That' section, where you would find and a specific app for someone. Or maybe you could do a new section on daily free apps... Otherwise, geat work.
I would like to be more interactive with the crew of imore, I know we can follow you guys on twitter and talk to you/ask questions, but I like to see maybe once a week where you guys have a imore ask your questions day. I think it would be awesome if you guys have like a podcast on a certain day, but have it strickly be where the imore community can ask ceratin questions and then have you guys chose the questions you like to answer. Idk I think that pretty cool because we get interact more with imore community and get our questions answered.
I would love to have more robust commenting abilities... Oh wait, you just added that! Thanks.
I visit the forums, two to three times a day, and can't wait for news to feed through on this app. This is the best iphone app for news.. I would like to see more interviews with developers or how to videos when a new jailbreak comes out. I also, would like to see a tip of the day!! Keep up the great work as always!!
The only thing that I feel is missing and should be added is an iMore HD app dor iPad
I love that you guys are doing so many prizes and giveaways which are of real value unlike other sites but lets get to the nitty gritty
I would love to see
- A way to rate an article either by means of a "liking process" or more prefeabaly a thumbing up or down such as on a youtube video.
- Would love the imore app to be revamped or at least added upon so that we can comment within the app.
- With the above mentioned rating of articles there should be a system where if an article recieves to many negative reviews or ratings it is removed. (Ex 100,000 thumbs down in comparison to 100 thumbs up)
- A reacurring contest which allows us as your loyal readers to have a one on one chat with rene or maybe georgia or seth.
- For all videos to be shot in at least 720p Hd
( Oh this last one is a bit tricky.... Kevin seriously needs to take a look at web os nation. Personallly i think they are dead weight and a waste of time and space they should be abosrbed into imore espcially derek and who ever does the doodles. And web os nation can hopefully be shut down.)
Hey, I like the videos guys so gimme more - go Georgia, paint those nails
Seriously, I don't need more but iLess would be preferable at times; when I'm in a rush I need a one-stop reliable site that gives me the nod on everything I need to know about mobile and tech news.
How about a daily briefing direct to my iDevice, BlackBerry and droid?
I'd love to see profiles (either location based or time based) that also could set a profile looking at the calerdar (i.e. If a meeting is scheduled, the profile would change, etc...)
But I haven't seen much talkd about in respects to this type of feature so not counting on it.
Great job, iMore! Keep it up.
Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but if possible, I'd like to be able to search the site without typing in cryptic phrases to confirm that I am human. It makes things a little tedious when having to use multiple phrases/terms in search of something. As for the changes made so far, I like it. This site has been a big help to me since I migrated from Crackberry, especially the jailbreak info.
Great Update!
I really like the new list view under headlines! I would like to see more contests to win stuff. Even small things like a $25 iTunes gift card, or a promo code for a free app download.
Everything about the site is great. The best feature is the site's abitliy to evolve as fast as the tech it covers. Always improving one thing or another. Always striving for a better user/reader experience. Keep up the great work and we'll keep coming back for more.
Cant wait to claim my gc too ;)
I've been coming to iMore every single day since it called TiPB. This is no longer the site I used to come to, and I couldn't be happier. I thank everyone at iMore for putting in all the long hours and dedication to bring us the latest on anything and everything imaginable about Apple, in an elegant and easy to understand way.
I'm really loving the beautiful photography in every post (much appreciated!), and the corner-to-corner photos on the front page. The new comments editor is fantastic (spell check!), as is the forums overhaul. I also appreciate the Editors Desk articles every week, Rene always has something brilliant to say. Everything corner of the site has been meticulously thought-out and it really shows.
This being said, nothing is perfect, and there are still areas to improve upon. Here is my wish-list of changes I'd like to see, design and functionality wise:
- While red is a stand-out and all around awesome color, it doesn't go well with the blue color scheme seen throughout iMore (and Apple for that matter..). A nice aqua/turquoise for the links would make everything come together.
- The footer of the page is another page in itself! Strip some things away, and leave only the important stuff (links to similar articles, breadcrumbs would be cool, etc.)
- While I LOVE Myriad Pro, it's more of a "Header" font, you wanna show of it's good looks at larger sizes! A simple sans-serif font (Helvetica, Arial, Lucida-Grande, Open-Sans) for the body font would be great.
- I'd love an auto-refresh on the front page. New articles would slide in at the top.
- MOAR videos would be awesome. From reviews to coverage of events. That being said, please don't use iMovie to edit your videos. Use something a little more advanced like Final Cut or After Effects and watch as peoples minds are blown.
Keep dreaming bigger iMore.
Really digging the redesign, keep up the good work guys.
This is an awesome contest!
I would love to see the mobile version when viewed from an iPhone. I know that the standard website for iphone is easy to make and maintain but I am often forced to open the application or use the full website on my iphone which isn't as quick on the go.
As for the actual website I would love to see sort of the new "facebook" look where you have the option at the top to see the time that it all came up or the most popular articles. That is a very beneficial way to flip through the blogs.
A major design change would be nice. Making it more elegant, maybe like http://GiveMeMind.com or http://TheVerge.com
Hope i helped :)
Improve the forums and make them more vibrate. The way how the forums are will make the site better. Take a look at the forums from the verge. Also make the live show viewable on your iPad like thr verge does on their site.
Hell yeah.
Off the top of my head, what I wanted most seems to have already materialized. Jumps from the preview to the comments section are working, again. Hopefully, we can report comments (, again?).
So, I guess my number one most-wanted feature is that you'll keep on keeping on. The site has gotten sharper and smarter over time and, if it's not going too far, I'd like to say that I'm proud of you guys*. I wish you all much success, wherever things go from here.
* - please interpret "guys" as a unisex pronoun or catch-all, in this context
The site has grown very well simce the tipb.com days! Keep it up just more polishing and little thing here and ther
Interesting use of a wysiwyg for comments.
I mostly want the ability to get comment emails with the ability to mute the thread once it gets outta hand or just too busy.
Congratulations on iMore 2.0! Keep up the great work and the quality articles. Remember, the crappiness of an Apple blog is judged on how many times they are featured on Angry Mac Bastards. I don't think this blog as ever shown up on that show, so you're doing something right.
The only thing I would love to see is more iMore TV (formerly TiPB TV) I really enjoyed Rene and Georgia talking casually on a couch in front of any iMac.
Btw, you have filtered HTML but a full wysiwyg...limit our options in the UI to match backend limits.
Absolutely amazing. I am to the point of obessive with this site. I used to be the same with Crackberry, when I had a BB and Android Central when I had a Droid. But since the iPhone 4 came out, my eyes have been locked on iMore. You do an amazing job!
I am always in the forums and checking them constantly. It would be great if there was an easier way to access them in the App, that way, it would be the only app I need!
I enjoy the cleaner look and I am pleased with the site in general. I think a searchable wallpaper/ringtone database would be nice (I know it'd take quite a bit of resources). Just my two cents. Thanks for all of the hard work you folks put in here to keep the rest of us informed. Your work is very appreciated!
Pretty awesome. Good job, everyone.
I love iMore. I have been on board for every podcast. if i couldn't make it to the chat room, I religiously listened when it was posted. I believe what can make iMore 2.0 great, would be to include one of you faithful listeners the chance you join you guys live on a podcast to give there input from their prospective. Maybe once per month. Mix it up a little. Keep the greatness coming you guys.
I read iMore every day more than 10 times in a day, and mostly via my iDevices.
This changes look absolutely beautiful! Great work and congratulations!
I'd like to see a better image loading on them, compatible for example with readability.
I really love your work! Continue working this hard! :)
Good luck to everyone with the gift card contest!
I would love the new iPhone. It would be great if the new iMore was brought to the iPad!! Love the new look
I'd like a dedicated ipad app for imore. Other than that things are good!
After switching from a BlackBerry (and being a regular CrackBerry reader),I made the switch to the iPhone 4S and coming to the iMore site and forums. It was a great help transitioning to a new device.
Love what you do, and my wish for improvement/additional content would be more "how to" and "tips and tricks and shortcuts" type of instructionals. Very helpful.
And I would love to win an iPad.
Thee new website looks incredible. It's really clean and organized! I wouldn't make any changes to the site itself but I hope more of us devote more time to the forums. An active and knowledgeable community is a joy to be a part of.
Been really enjoying the website since the rename. I'd love to see an iPad app!
I would say keep the RSS feeds - I get my news that way rather than visiting the site directly. So not so much a suggestion of something new, but a suggestion to keep something already great! Oh, and give me the prize too. :)
My number 1 iDevice web blog. Site is awesome! Keep up the great work!
This is actually really cool, and I'm glad you guys are making the changes because unified login was a must! Yay Mobile Nation.
Awesome new layout, very smooth and easy to use. Very easy to tranfer my account.
You guys are awesome in general, thank you for providing great content.
Obviously, more contests are awesome!
I like the reviews between apps, accessories, etc.
The howto's I have seen are awesome, haven't seen any Ninja tricks lately, would love more, but maybe there isn't much else. lol.
Dunno what else, you guys are awesome. thank you!
Deffinetlely more video. more of the podcasts videos
I would love to see a live webcast wrapping up apple rumors for the week, day, etc.
I want to see you sending undercover people into apples plants so we can get some absolute info on new apple products! Lol just kidding....maybe. Lol i love your site! Its my go to for everything! I do love the videos on products so i can get an idea if i like before i buy! And you are honest about your opinions on the products you test! Thank you all for your time and effort! You all rock!!!
I want to see you sending undercover people into apples plants so we can get some absolute info on new apple products! Lol just kidding....maybe. Lol i love your site! Its my go to for everything! I do love the videos on products so i can get an idea if i like before i buy! And you are honest about your opinions on the products you test! Thank you all for your time and effort! You all rock!!!
Please make the forums available in the iMore iPhone app and please have an iPad app with your forums.
Good Luck
I would love to see more podcasts on various topics like different types of iphone apps, or 6.0 ios-focused stuff, etc.
I really like the redesign, but I wouild like to see the banner ad at the top go away. It distracts from the content more than the sidebar.
I love the new and improved site! And I love the way you guys explain "How-to's" and review apps and games and accessories... I would really love to see more of the people behind iMore. Maybe you guys should add more videos to your articles. I would love to SEE what you guys mean and I think it would really put you guys over the top.
More Polls, Contest, and Accessory Advertisement....Other then that Great Job!!!
One feature I would like for iMore 2.0 is on the home page to have a grid view (similar to windows phone 7/8) with all the main news categories. For example, there could be an "iPhone 5" and an "iPad Mini" grid made up of some images of the stories in it. When you clicked it, it would easily take you to all the iMore stories tagged as those things. The grid would be categorized by what is the most popular at the top and least popular at the bottom. Just an idea.
Would love to see a more unified categories option, something like under iPad unifying most used hashtags to try and create small groups that could be useful to users(like joining all app reviews, or all the times you guys recommend x type of apps and make lists), but would love to see what you come up with.
Been reading since '09 and it's a testament to how you adapt that you're one of the few blogs that still manage to be relevant and accurate.
Here's to many years of progress and if this is your Snow Leopard, I can't even start to imagine what your Lion will be.
I'd like the page width matched to an iPad in portrait orientation, as that's the way I use it in bed.
Two years ago when I first purchased my iPad 1, I was not only sucked into the Apple Ecosystem that I have grown (very quickly) to love but I was sucked into the Mobile Nation (iMore!). Whenever a new app is released that enables you to subscribe to a podcast, my first search is iMore! Since the day my iPad arrived, my purchases have continued with an iPhone 4 then 4S and Mac Book Pro. These purchases are not only contributed to Apple's "magical" marketing stratgedy (Hi Georgia) but from all the dialogue on the iMore show. For that I thank you...my wife...not so much:) As for the improvements, keep on the same track you are on, you are doing GREAT. I would like to see more guests and maybe a segment on how apps can be implemented and used in real world work flow situations. Segments such as "How do you use _______ app", this segment could be all feedback from the chat room that we all love and adore. Thanks so much!
New look, new name, but same great content.
I'm sitting here in 95 degree heat, with our power just restored after a falling tree knocked out power lines. Still no TV or Internet (thanks Comcast), so I could use the gift card as a "pick me up."
Either way, I do find your info always informative. Keep up the good work.
The new iMore 2.0 is looking great.
I would like to see the option for badge support or notifications for the iMore app when your coverage of major Apple events like WWDC, etc. go live-- and maybe a bit more highlights on members from the community and their favorite apps, how they use them in their daily lives, etc.
Keep up the awesome work.
Great site. Given the increasing number of Spanish speaking people in the US, it would not hurt to offer content in Spanish as well.
I agree with some of my predicessors: an iPad app would be nice, some improvements to the iPhone app would be nice. I'm sure you are all working dilligently at the iMore app 1.1, and iPad app 1.0, and we all can't wait.
What I would really like to see is to have drop down menus at the top of the page when I hover over "iPhone" or "iPad", "Shop Online" and "Cases" or "Chargers". Maybe allowing me to choose a sub category like Skin Cases, or Protective Cases. Or allow me to choose a device for shopping. Basically reducing the number of clicks before I get to the content in which I'm interested.
Second, I think I'd like to see a more unified Forum Experience across the Desktop, Mobile, and App environments. For a while all the forums on my iPhone were still TiPB. It was difficult to post, so I relegated my posting/replying to my laptop, and God knows when I'll be on my laptop again. The phone and iPad are just too darn convenient!
Just my two cents.
while i think the layout looks nice, there's always room for improvement!
I am a visually impaired reader and I love your blog. However I often find using the accessibility features in iOS and OS X are necessary for me to have a comfortable reading experience. I would love to see your new platform include features along the lines of enlarging the fonts and ideally some sort of color themes so that I can have a higher contrast white text on a dark background. This is preferable to the accessibility modes in iOS and OSX in that I do not need to remove the reverse video in order to see the pictures correctly.
Keep up the great work!
I'm pretty happy with 2.0.
I'd love to see an "ignore user" feature. It seems like half the comments on a news story are some variation of "HERP DERP...IPHONE SUXX." I'd love to be able to remove these people from my comments thread.
Of course, you may already have this...I'm just exploring the options now.
Love the new iMore! Thanks for all the hard work Rene and Co.
I'd like to see something like a points system installed, to benefit regular visitors. I'm a member of a PlayStation 3 blog site, ps3blog.net and they dole out points for various things pertaining to the website. For example, 10 points for the first log on every day, 5 points for every comment, certain amount of points to retweet things, points for YouTube comments and reply videos. All kinds of things earn you points, and in return, we the users get to use the points to enter contests for free stuff, giveaways, t-shirts, really whatever. And the points would be deducted from our running total. The blog owner also sets up betting for points on such events like UFC or the Super Bowl. It's a very fair system and shows how faithful and regular members are, which then limits the ultimate winner of contests to the more regular and faithful crowd, which is who we want to win things anyways, right?
Anyways, just a suggestion. I'd be happy to answer anymore questions or I could also potentially put you in touch with the owner of mentioned blog.
I would like to see more tutorials done from a total newbies perspective and then update them or create new ones has new OS's and devices are released
I like the new format/content though the iMore name still seems funny. I'd like to see text versions of podcasts and video because I can't be listening sometimes and skip what I can't watch right away.
Thanks for all you do!
Wow!!! Was surprised when i saw the new Imore 2.0 !!! I love the new look. Theres nothing that was left out. Congrats and keep up the good work. T only thing that could be added is ???? Wow its amazing nothing comes into mind. The most complete page for anything that has to do with ios devices and macs.
The new site is beautiful! What would I like to see? Dedicated iPad app would be fantastic. Other than that, keep up the good work. You all are my number one source, outside of my own tinkering, for any Apple news. Cheers!
I would like to see a dedicated forums app!
Lovin' the new looks, it's very clean and the color works well. I'd love to see more reviews up on iMore and not just hardware reviews, but also software, services and accessory reviews. Anything and everything iProduct related, we like to see your opinions on stuff.
Great new design! I love this site. IMore offers the most comprehensive info in mobile apple stuff anywhere.
1.0 by far beats out most sites out there. Any of the suggestions from these comments would be icing on the icake.
I would love the ability to have an easier way of communicating with the editors and staff. There have been times where I have wanted to ask some of the editors/staff questions but my e-mails have never gotten answered. I wish there was an eaier way to get in touch with some of you folks. It would make for a much tighter knit community at iMore. The only times we can really communicate with you guys is when you have your live shows and even then its hard to talk to you guys.
Keep up the good work! This is one of the first iDevice sites I found when I got my very first iPhone three years ago, and it is the only one that I still read regularly. Partly because of the education I have received on this site, my total iDevices have now expanded to include an iPad (sadly still first generation) and, most recently, a giant leap from PC to a brand spanking new iMac!
I really like how you continually take advantage of the technology we have available. iMore is a great Apple community. Almost everything I know about the iPhone I learned right here. I want you to keep doing "how-to" posts, especially with each new version of iOS because I want to know all the less known features of each release. Thanks!
Great Work!! I really enjoy all the reviews and tutorials!! Keep them coming! The new commenting is a great improvement!
I would love to see better image and article navigation.
Love the improvements.
I'd like to see:
- More polls/surveys ( and results)
- More product reviews and product giveaways
- More contests
- More how-to articles
- More timely (e.g. Holiday) app and product reviews
- More YouTube sessions
Keep up the great work! This is one of my favorite sites for information!
the more i read what's on imore the more I am curious to get to know who's behind it.
Who's Rene? who's Georgia, etc. The one sentence describing the imore staff is just too little. I wish we would know a bit more about the staff and not only what they have to say about Apple products :-)
Am always reading everyday, and coming back every few hours
keep on going the great works!
First, the name iMore 2.0 is really cool. Sounds like a gadget name. Since I visit iMore every single day, I want to have video reviews of the newest gadgets and being able to view it directly in the website. It's a pain to visit YouTube for watching. And if there's gonna be a next giveaway, please just give the newest Apple's toy rather than giving bucks and get us to choose. Thanks!
I like the look! However I was using the mobile website to read stories. I'm more than willing to give the iMore app a try though...just surprised I didn't do it sooner... Thank you for the great website iMore and Mobile Nations staff!!!
I really can't think of anything. Great setup, great info.
Great new editing box for commenting as well as overall commenting system. I would hope you will fix the 'issue' or so it seems of this: While I was not signed in and wanted to leave a comment, I clicked on "add yours" which took me to the new sign in page (looks nice btw). Once I signed in, it did not take me back to this comment back, instead it took me to the main imore.com page which was next to this article, so I had to click to get into this commenting page. Kind of annoying. Also, I want to, as well as many others I am sure, just want to leave a comment from the top in some cases. Is there anyway to add new comments at the top of the commenters? Or does that take too much web hosting? Not familiar with that, but if so would be cool. Otherwise my main hope would be my first issue. Oooh wait a minute. Another thing I was thinking the other day. Why do you guys put a picture before the title of an article? I just don't like that. Words get my attention and then a picture followed by it just puts it altogether for me. I dunno just something that may bug just me. Guess I am so used to Titles at the top. It's ok to be somewhat like the rest of the web ;-) Thanks ya'll!
Not to beat a dead horse here but the hard work y'all have put in shows and is definitely appreciated. I love the contests you have and read just about every article that comes they my twitter feed. I think if you were to include the videos of your podcasts available if be more inclined to watch them but, hey, that's just me. Thanks again guys.
I would like to see more videos on other apple products such as the apple tv and ipod nanos. I would also like to see a video on how nike plus basketball and nike plus training works with ios since it is exclusive to ios
Also newest comments should be on the top of the page
Love the new UI. It's clean and neat like what iOS represent. It reminds me a bit of google currents for some reason.
I'm loving the new site so far. I would really like a tags system, something similar enough to tumbr or livejournal. Tags for author, subject, month, etc, would be helpful. Being able to find every jailbreak article, or every post made by Georgia only during the month of may with a video review would be useful. No more unrelenting searching. :D
Great work all!
I read your content fairly often. This was one of the first iDevice resources that I found when I made the switch from a Blackberry Storm a few months ago. I have to say I'm very happy I came across TiPb, as it has been very valuable.
The only request I could come up with is maybe to have a stronger, more in depth look at the Jailbreak community and their offerings. One on ones with the developers or have a way for the regular Joe's to throw out ideas and have the JB community respond with feasibility or "hey, you can already do that with this tweak". Just some thoughts.
Thanks again.
Would love to see more indept reviews of Apps, Games, Accessories...defineltly would love some live streaming of Apple events...but most importantly would love to see the continue support from the hard working staff from Imore and the wonderful community!
The site's great. Everything's just right, the content, layout, podcasts, everything. Only two small things:
1. Rene, you've got to retinize your avatar. It's atrocious. Just saying.
2. I have to concur with the many requests for an iPad app, it would quickly be one of my favorite apps.
Keep up the good work guys!
Love the new digs! I'd love to see an iPad app in the works. Not that this will be news to anyone over there at iMore, but if you guys use Wordpress to do your site design, there are a good many plugins with a reasonable pricetag that include iPad formatting!
It's really a beautiful transformation that we've seen take place here and I love the tweaked layout along with the beautiful hero photos and the emphasis on certain textual elements. It's art and I love it. Looking forward to spending yet more time here to determine what could possibly be better. Bravo!
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I've heard many inaccurate things about Google this year, and most of them are spread by word of mouth. Maybe Google should do a better job at explaining things that may seem trivial to computer experts, but difficult understand for other people.
1. Google Desktop indexes your files and uploads the index to Google's servers. (Michael Arrington)
No. Google stores the index on your computer. If you enable a feature called "search across computers", Google will securely send copies of your indexed files to Google servers. The feature is disabled by default.
2. Gmail indexes your emails and makes them available for everyone. (Darbacour)
No. Google indexes your messages so you can search them. This feature is now available in other webmail applications (Yahoo Mail, Windows Live Mail). Google doesn't make your messages or the indexes public.
3. Google doesn't delete my Gmail messages.
In order to keep your email safe, Google needs to have multiple backups of your data. "You may organize or delete your messages through your Gmail account. (...) Residual copies of deleted messages and accounts may take up to 60 days to be deleted from our active servers and may remain in our offline backup systems." (Gmail Privacy Policy)
4. Google doesn't improve search anymore to increase its earnings from ads.
You may not perceive too many changes in Google search, but Google tweaks its algorithms often to improve search results quality, removes spam sites and tries to add more fresh results. On the visible side, Google added search refinements, more direct answers, malware warnings and address recognition.
5. Search results should be ranked by people, not by algorithms.
Google uses the links from other pages the determine the importance of a page, and those links were placed by humans. Google also monitors user's clicks to determine if the search results are relevant.
6. Google is spyware.
"Spyware is software that reports on your activities or gathers personal information about you and sends it via the Internet to third parties without your knowledge or consent." If you use software like Google Toolbar or Google Desktop, some features may send personal information to Google, but most of them are either turned off by default or require your explicit approval. Google also uses cookies to save your preferences and records queries, clicks, usage patterns to deliver better results. The problem is not that they record it, it's what they do with it. And Google tries to protect it from third parties (like US Government).
7. Google Earth shows real-time images.
No, what you see "are photographs taken by satellites and aircraft sometime in the last three years".
8. Google is the best search engine that will ever be built.
Google is far from a search engine that "understands exactly what you mean and gives you back exactly what you want". But its goal is to reach that state. (Google's philosophy)
9. Google favors Wikipedia, Technorati, blogs.
Well, not exactly. These sites happen to have many backlinks, and oftentimes quality links. I know many people that link to Wikipedia to show an explanation for a concept or an acronym, link to Technorati to tag their blog posts or link to blogs because they are infectious.
10. Google will take over the world.
Those who control information, control the world. Hopefully Google will be a benevolent dictator (guess what? I linked to Wikipedia).
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UTC is off to its best start since 1991. The Lady Mocs have been dominating opponenets, only allowing one point in the first six contests. Chattanooga is 35-1 in singles and has lost a total of six sets in those 36 matches. UTC is also an impressive 15-3 in doubles.
The Skyhawks were picked second in the Ohio Valley Conference preseason poll and have advanced to the tournament championship in each of the last two seasons. However, they fall to 0-2 in the spring with today's loss.
"It was a solid effort," stated UTC women's tennis head coach Jeff Clark. "We played really well in singles. We were pushed in a few spots, but responded well. I think we definitely got better today."
The Lady Mocs jumped out to a 1-0 lead by winning the doubles point for the sixth-straight match. UTC won two of three doubles, led by freshmen Kelsey Coots (Huntsville, Ala.) and Kayla Jones' (Memphis, Tenn.) 8-2 win over Ivon Simic and Anna Marie Herbold at No. 1. Coots and Jones improve to 5-1 at No. 1 with their fifth-straight doubles win.
Senior Jenna Nurik (Roswell, Ga.) and sophomore Kaylene Chadwell (Franklin, Tenn.) also improved to 5-1 in the spring with an 8-2 win over Katie McCall and Johanie van Zyl at No. 2. Nurik and Chadwell are 9-2 overall as a doubles tandem this season.
Coots breezed through her singles match at No. 4 and was first off the court with a (6-1, 6-0) win over van Zyl. Coots improved to 6-0 in singles play and has only dropped five games in her last two outings combined.
Nurik gave the Lady Mocs a 3-0 lead with her (6-1, 6-2) win over Simic at No. 1. Nurik, the reigning Southern Conference Player of the Week, is 6-0 in singles action. Chadwell clinched the match with a (6-0, 6-2) win over Herbold at No. 2.
Jones, sophomore Claire Mulyadi (Semarang, Indonesia) and freshman Katie Polk (Woodstock, Ga.) also won in singles action today. Mulyadi bounced back from an illness earlier in the week to score a three-set win over Alice Laing (6-1, 3-6, 1-0 (10-5)) and remain unbeaten at 6-0.
The Lady Mocs hit the road for their next match, Thursday, Feb. 21 at UAB in Birmingham, Ala. UTC's next home match is Saturday, Feb. 23, at 1:00 p.m. (E.S.T.) against Jacksonville State on the UTC Tennis Courts. Links for live scoring are available on the women's tennis schedule page on GoMocs.com.
Chattanooga 7, UT Martin 0
Feb 17, 2013 at Chattanooga, Tenn. (UTC Tennis Courts)
Doubles competition
1. Kelsey Coots/Kayla Jones (UTC) def. SIMIC, Ivon/HERBOLD, Anna Marie (UTM) - 8-1
2. Kaylene Chadwell/Jenna Nurik (UTC) def. McCALL, Katie/VAN ZYL, Johanie (UTM) - 8-2
3. WINKELMANN, Anna/LAING, Alice (UTM) def. Claire Mulyadi/Katie Polk (UTC) - 8-2
Singles competition
1. Jenna Nurik (UTC) def. SIMIC, Ivon (UTM) - 6-1, 6-2
2. Kaylene Chadwell (UTC) def. HERBOLD, Anna Marie (UTM) - 6-0, 6-2
3. Kayla Jones (UTC) def. WINKELMANN, Anna (UTM) - 7-5, 6-0
4. Kelsey Coots (UTC) def. VAN ZYL, Johanie (UTM) - 6-1, 6-0
5. Claire Mulyadi (UTC) def. LAING, Alice (UTM) - 6-1, 3-6, 1-0 (10-5)
6. Katie Polk (UTC) def. SILVA, Jessica (UTM) - 6-2, 6-0


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Eric Ortlund, PhD
Associate Professor of Old Testament
Faculty of Arts and Science
BA, Philosophy and Classics (double major), Hillsdale College,
MA, Old Testament and Semitic Languages, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, 2003
PhD, Hebrew and Old Testament, New College, University of Edinburgh, 2006
Areas of SpecializationOld Testament (Old Testament prophets, Old Testament exegesis and interpretation, Intertextual and canonical/literary methods, Ancient Near Eastern Myth, Hebrew (Biblical Hebrew and Ugaritic)
Eric, his wife, Erin, and their two children, Kate and Will, moved to Caronport in July 2006. He worked on an M.Div. at Trinity Evangelical Divinity Seminary in Chicago for two years and served as a youth pastor in a local Presbyterian church before sensing God's call to study the Old Testament. His interests focus in Isaiah and the Psalms, but he loves studying and teaching any part of the Hebrew Bible as well as the OT's Ancient Near Eastern environment, the history of interpretation, and the Hebrew language.
Research Interests
Eric Ortlund's research interests focus on two areas: critical issues in Isaiah and textual and hermeneutical problems in Job. Isaiah fascinates me not only because of its profound theology and beauty, but also because I think many of the historical-critical arguments for dividing the book of Isaiah up among many authors misinterpret the text. My research in Isaiah provides counter-readings and counter-arguments to these. Job fascinates me because it is both so difficult to understand and so immediately relevant for suffering Christians; my research in this book attempts to understand and explain what it says to those who both trust God and suffer.
Notable Publications
- "A Window of Appearance for Baal? Temples, Chaos, and Divine Appearance in Ugarit and Egypt," in Ugarit-Forschungen 36 (2004), 347-56
- "An Intertextual Reading of the Theophany of Psalm 97," in Scandinavian Journal of Old Testament 20 (2006): 273-85.
- "Intentional Ambiguity in OT and Ugaritic Descriptions of Divine Combat," in Ugarit-Forschungen 38 (2006): 543-57.
"Shame in Restoration in Ezekiel," Hiphil2010 (available online at www.see-j.net/index.php/hiphil/issue/current)
"Reversed (Chrono-)Logical Sequence in Isaiah 1-39: Some Implications for Theories of Redaction," inJournal for the Study of the Old Testament35.2 (2010): 209-224.
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BOONVILLE - After a courageous four-year battle with ovarian cancer, 2009 Starmount graduate Meme Brown died Monday night at the age of 21.
During her fight, the Starmount community has banded together to support and raise money for Brown and her family. The fundraising included a volleyball benefit tri-match this past Saturday that raised close to $5,000 toward her medical expenses.
"It's hard to talk about," head volleyball coach Jon Symons said during Saturday's fundraiser, which was held two days before her death. "It's unreal to see the lives that she has touched that have decided to come watch her favorite thing to do and raise money to help her and her family. The amount of people that have come and the amount of stories that we got to tell about Meme have made everything worthwhile for me."
In an emotional day of "Meme's favorite thing to do," Brown was honored for the impact she had on the Ram volleyball program, Starmount and the community as a whole.
Business and marketing teacher and volleyball statistician Melanie Matthews gave a moving speech about Brown, while family friend and current volleyball player Josie Matthews led a ceremony to retire Brown's No. 32 jersey she wore during her time at Starmount.
"It's one of those things that she's meant so much to this program, that it was an easy decision to make," Symons said. "The thing is that jersey is going to be with us from here until the end of the season. And it will sit at the end of our bench and we will think about Meme every time we walk on the floor and what she's had to go through over the last four years.
"No one is ever going to wear the No. 32 at Starmount; that's Meme's jersey. She deserves it; she deserves to have her jersey retired. For me, it's the least I could do for that kid," he continued.
With the state playoffs looming around the corner, Symons said usually the focus of tri-matches towards the end of the year are to get better and prepare for postseason action. But on Saturday, he said the wins and losses didn't matter.
"You do a lot of things with these tri-matches to try and get ready for the state playoffs; that's your focus. And when you play teams like Carson and Reagan, you know you're going to get ready by just showing up and playing," he explained. "I don't care about the wins and losses today, it was cool to do something for Meme and to see how many people truly care about that kid."
Brown, a 2009 graduate of Starmount, was a four-year starter for Symons. As a middle blocking specialist, she earned all-conference honors her final two seasons and an honorable mention all-conference as a sophomore.
Brown was a integral part of the Lady Rams' three-straight trips to the 2A Western Regional final in 2006-08, including starting in the state title game in Raleigh in '07.
In addition to volleyball, the Boonville native also played basketball for Starmount for four seasons, suiting up for varsity her final three years. She also ran track as a junior and senior, which included running a leg on two all-conference relay teams, the 4x200 and 4x400 in 2008.
Following graduation, Brown signed her official letter of intent to play volleyball at Lees-McRae College in Banner Elk.
But the deadly disease cut her collegiate career short, as Brown was only able to play two seasons for the Bobcats in 2009 and 2010. During her time at Lees-McRae, she posted 71 kills, 33 blocks, 18 digs and 19 service aces in only 32 matches played.
Meme is survived by her parents, David and Sharon, and her brother, Tyler, of Boonville.
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I caught up on Haven over the weekend, it keeps picking up. Should be interesting next season. I also just finished my second show of Continuum, good so far.
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I caught up on Haven over the weekend, it keeps picking up. Should be interesting next season. I also just finished my second show of Continuum, good so far.
On TV I am currently re-watching Charmed, I just love this show so much that I am ready to watch it again and again.
Just started The Following. Did anyone else check it out? I thought it was pretty good.
I'm giving "Continuum" a chance. Interesting premise. The premier was better then the second of the series (only 2 shows aired so far). Hope they don't take it the way so many other shows go... and fail, by overdeveloping the characters and their relationships, and disregarding what made the show popular in the first place.
(I took notice though... they got a lot of guns up there in Canada. )
Well, Downton Abbey, for starters. If you want a good funny, try this: http://www.happyplace.com/20538/down...on-3-episode-2 -Just be warned there are spoilers in it if you haven't seen this particular episode (Season Three, Episode 2).
I also just saw Anthony Bourdain's new cooking contest show - The Taste. It's not as good as I'd hoped it would be but I'm giving it the Three Strikes rule.
Am anxiously awaiting the return of both Grimm and The Amazing Race.
Call the Midwife and Nashville are also faves.
I watch half an hour or so of Chuck Todd in the morning or Rachel Maddow in the evening on random days, but I always try to watch Washington Week in Review - I dig Gwen Ifill et al.
And the stray episode of Big Bang Theory is also occasionally caught.
I just started watching the 3rd season of Justified on blu ray. Excellent show. Anyone else a fan?
This is but one of the reasons I can no longer stand to watch tv on tv. Between incessant commercials, ad blurbs for other shows flashing across the screen and weeks long breaks in the middle of a season it's just too distracting. I choose to wait until a dvd release so I can enjoy the show in peace. Seems like I remember when I was a kid a tv season of 22 episodes would run Sept. thru May with a few re-runs scattered during the course of a season. Now some 22 episode shows take a 7 week mid-season break. Wtf?


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School of Art Gallery Presents Annual Student Juried CompetitionPosted Mar. 1, 2013
The Kent State University School of Art Gallery will present the 2013 Student Annual, the yearly juried student art exhibition, Feb. 28 through March 20. The School of Art Gallery is located in the Art Building at 400 Janik Dr. on the Kent Campus.
The 2013 Student Annual features approximately 50 pieces of art from undergraduate and graduate School of Art students. The works vary widely in medium: Pieces in the Student Annual include prints, paintings, ceramics, textiles, sculpture, jewelry and a video installation.
The competition is open each year to all undergraduate and graduate students in the School of Art. Each student could submit up to two works to be considered for display in the exhibition. Students submitted work Feb. 18 and 19, and were notified of selections Feb. 20.
Winners are selected among the graduate and undergraduate students, along with two honorable mentions. These selections were announced at the opening reception, held Feb. 28. This year, Bridget Elchert (pictured at right) won first place undergraduate for her print "Pretty In Pink," Hope Zusy won runner-up undergraduate for her ceramic piece "Giraffe Tongue," and graduate student David Masters received an honorable mention for his mixed media piece "The Floor Boards."
Alexandra Nicholis Coon, executive director of the Massillon Museum and KSU alumna, juried this year's exhibition. Nicholis Coon began working at the museum as an intern in 2001. She has since served as registrar, education assistant, curator and, as of 2011, executive director.
Nicholis Coon received her bachelor's degree in history from Kent State University and her master's degree in art history from the joint program of the Cleveland Museum of Art and Case Western Reserve University. She also serves as an adjunct faculty member at Walsh University.
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If you guys come up with the questions, I will get the answers - Michael
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What apps/tools/games do the devs use for testing regressions and speed? In particular, has there any testing of wine wrt the awful performance noted by wine devsMore like your video drivers broken / misconfigured. ATi's craft known to by
buggy beyond repair.
Any likelihood of AVIVO support?Last edited by hmmm; 11-21-2007, 04:59 PM.
My only question to the developers:
Are you aware of the existing memory leak in 8.41, 8.42 and seemingly fglrx 7.11?
That's about it. Xv works fine for me, as does all the other features I use. I just want to know that they know about said (fatal) memory leak.
Besides other stupid issues with the driver: why are the FireGL ids removed when they could be patched back easyly? I think it should be the users choice which driver they want to use - even buggy ones. And another one: why not use lzma compression? I have sample scripts that can already repack any driver (with static decoder) and its size drops dramatically. Example:
47667647 (100%) ati-driver-installer-7-11-x86.x86_64.run
28335222 (59%) ati-driver-installer-7-11-x86.x86_64.run.lzma-static-decompressorLast edited by Kano; 11-21-2007, 05:38 PM.
Why do the KB numbers in the driver's release notes not directly link to the KB articles?
Why is the card state (sometimes?) not reinitialized on reboot:
1. related to the vesa framebuffer console bug, when I reboot (via ctrl+alt+del) sometimes the 'dead' state that caused me to need to reboot persists forcing another restart
2. possibly X.org's fault(?) upon reload of X.org/gdm I see a garbled version of the previous state of the screen (ie, what was shown before the reboot), then it loads as normal. Contrasted with windows where that doesn't happen. This happens in versions of the driver with or without the vesa framebuffer issue.
How does the driver team ascribe priority to what will be developed in each release?
What code management do they use and are team members allowed to keep private branches in order to target specific issues (like new kernel or X.org support)?
Related to ZedDB's question:
Are the devs regularly frustrated by having fixed issues but not being able to push them out to their users because of the dev cycle (or other restrictions) imposed by management?
How much easier would development be if there were lower-end GPUs targeted specifically for linux (similar to the Intel GPU offerings)?
Simple question:
do you know of this bug? or you think you have fixed it as you've written in the release notes of 8.37.6?
bug link: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239
Yeah, I got a question for ATI, what do they smoke? What do they do 8 hours a day 5 days a week and release a 3 bug fix release on the most simple things that could possibly be added to a release. I like AMD, I really do, but with all the outstanding issues and bugs in fglrx, they could only manage to fix 3 extremely minor issues over the course of a month?
I don't care if you have 1 or 3 guys working on that driver, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, you can accomplish alot more than that. I almost think they are playing ping pong in the office. Going around with beer bongs and getting completely wasted then they sit down and well.. Okay! Time to get to work! Lets see... Oh yeah, we need to add 2.6.23 kernel support, okay, that should take us about a month to add that.
Now, you can say, well they are preparing for the now called 7.12 driver, I think thats bogus. So they're going to have everyone wait yet another month and don't even fix at least one major issue? We aren't concerned with new features at this point, we really could care less, we want bug fixes, and stable drivers. Something we honestly never had. Yeah now they can run pretty fast when they want to, but that doesn't solve the issue.
Alright I'm done venting. I still have faith in AMD, and we better see some decent results in the releases to come since they are hiring more people for their Linux driver development. Because if we see another release like this, I'm going to hold my end of the bargain and give Phoronix a video called "What happens when you have a ATI card and a baseball bat?". You want action, I'll dish it out in full. Haha.
Alright well anyway, I hope to see better releases from them in the future, this release was a joke. I think at this pace, the Open Source driver will pass fglrx in about a year to year in a half from now.Last edited by Malikith; 11-21-2007, 10:07 PM.
Did it ever come to your mind that there might be fixes, that are not listed in the changelog? I do know that *many* devs are rather sloppy when it comes to writing down the real changes for mundane stuff like a "changelog".
The problem is that users do not have a way to check if their problems are fixed when the changelog is this incomplete. I think one of the main problems AMD/ATI had so far was communication with the community. But I think the posts from Bridgman indicate some change in that area. The real things I would love to know are simple:
- Will there be an official bugtracker that gets frequented by the devs so that users do have a way to see if their problems are fixed?
- Will there eventually a more complete listing of the fixed/known problems? Currently the list is really abysmal.
Did it ever come to your mind that there might be fixes, that are not listed in the changelog? I do know that *many* devs are rather sloppy when it comes to writing down the real changes for mundane stuff like a "changelog".
the only explanation for me is - they still have tons of problems with the new codebase, and trying to get it to compile (oh, and work ) takes lots of time.
Originally posted by yoshi314 View Postthe only explanation for me is - they still have tons of problems with the new codebase, and trying to get it to compile (oh, and work ) takes lots of time.Last edited by macmus; 11-22-2007, 05:58 AM.


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