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SPARTANBURG, S.C. --- The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga women's soccer team gave up five second half goals Sunday afternoon and fell 5-1 to Wofford in a Southern Conference matchup in Spartanburg, S.C. The Mocs drop to 4-7 overall and 0-4 in league play while the Terriers improve to 6-3-1 and 2-1 in SoCon action.
Chattanooga scored its lone goal early but failed to capitalize on any opportunities as the game carried on. Freshman Monica Speth (Janesville, Wisc.) scored Chattanooga's goal on just the Mocs' third shot of the game in the 15th minute. Sophomore Melanie Arredondo (Tampico, Mexcio) sent a pass to Speth who went one-on-one with Wofford's keeper Kimberly Cohn getting around her for the score.
"It was a textbook play," UTC Head Coach J.D. Kyzer said. "Melanie served it up to Monica and she ran through the defense and beat the keeper on a slot."
The Mocs held a 1-0 advantage into intermission and didn't allow a Terrier score until the sixth minute of the second half when Emily Bougas sent a long pass to Maureen Buff who connected with the net from 12 yards out to knot the match 1-1 in the 51st minute.
"We do a good job of taking care of the ball in the first half, but with our lower numbers on the bench compared to our opponents, it shows," Kyzer said. "We just run out of steam. It's something we have to fight through.
"It has shown in three of our last four games. The whole team has played well the first half and we were ahead against Davidson, Georgia Southern and again today against Wofford. The team is dealing with some adversity as well and we need to regroup."
The match remained tied until the 78th minute when Wofford's Alex Kachulis sent a header past UTC's keeper Taylor Mangrum (Franklin, Tenn.) inside the six-yard box off a corner kick from Katherine Whisenhunt for the game winner.
Buff added two more goals late in the game for a hat trick while Chloe Brackett assisted on one and sent home the final goal in the 89th minute to make it 5-1 in favor of the Terriers.
Wofford outshot the Mocs 38-5 with a 24-3 shots on goal difference. Mangrum recorded a personal-best 19 saves on the day, tied with teammate Lauren Thomas (Germantown, Tenn.) for fourth most in a game at UTC, with 15 saves in the second half alone.
"Taylor had a great game," Kyzer said of his senior. "But it's unfortunate that she did because they were getting through our defense and taking shots that they shouldn't have been able to take. She made some great saves."
The Mocs remain on the road with a trip to Boone, N.C., to take on the Mountaineers in the final Southern Conference match between the two teams as Appalachian State heads to the Sun Belt Conference next year.
1 14:53 UTC Monica Speth (3) Melanie Arredondo
2 50:05 WOF Maureen Buff (3) Emily Bougas
3 77:22 WOF Alex Kachulis (4) Katherine Whisenhunt
4 81:10 WOF Maureen Buff (4) Alex Kachulic, Katherine Whisenhunt
5 87:26 WOF Maureen Buff (5) Chloe Brackett
6 88:35 WOF Chloe Brackett (5) Emily Gaid; Emily Bougas


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Advanced Member
Joined: 1/12/06
Quests in Pen and Paper RPG, and Single player games work because you can start and finish it whenever you want. Either with a group of friends when playing PnP, or by yourself.
But in MMO, Quests are shorten so that other players you meet during your quest can join in without being left out., or they become Instanced Quests that only people at that certain stage can join in.
How many times have you, yourself try to play with your guildmates but found out that they are two stages ahead of you in the quest, or you are ahead and have to wait for them.
So my question is, are Quests still viable in Modern Day MMO's
Are they the only way to get Progress within a story?
Guild wars 2 changed the quest system alittle, so that as long as you are in the vicinity, the quest automatically goes into your log, so anyone can jump in and participate.
But is that as far as we can take it?
Can Quests be eliminated all together?
What kind of alternatives is available?
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Well, events in GW2 are a promising step forward, but even when they have no traditional quests at all in that game, I see the tasks ("heart symbols") as a step between quests and events. I don't see traditional quests enjoying much popularity in the future, atleast not in the traditional form. Heavy quest grinding gets exhausting fairly quickly. Alteast I had an unpleasant reaction to the Continent of the Ninth's excessive use of trivial miniquests for what felt like everything you did. Didn't like that at all...
Arenanet talked about having multiple end states in the events (more than pass/fail), with which you could build elaborate webs of events rather than just separate strings of events (which are essentially a form of quest-lines). However, the downside to this would be the same as with all branching content: it takes a lot of effort to produce those alternate paths.
Still, I wouldn't mind using quests for a more long term goal or objective - only a few active at any given time.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Novice Member
Joined: 9/22/11
Since DE in GW2 were major disappintment (way too frequent simple occurings on timer - and no I don't know how to design and implement them better in mainstream game for big audience) and quickly became very boring zergs - I think that quests still are needed because there is nothing better out there.
Leaving that aside. I think that mmorpg's overally are hitting a wall. Current technology, not only game design wise but also network latency wise or anti-cheaters & anti-botters / macroers techs and current concepts are not enough anymore to deal with problems in mmorpg's. Trying to douse it by throwing money at it does not work also.
That's why I think currently mmorpg's are facing reality of folding themself. Especially in west. Various lobby games ranging from simple MOBAS like LoL to pseudo MMO's like DDO or Neverwitner with still be succesful propably.
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Joined: 10/15/12
Originally posted by Quirhid
i disagree that events are a "promising step forward". they are nothing more than traditional quests in a different wrapper. i played gw2 today and an event i did was escorting a lady around while she collected fruit. i would rather collect the damn fruit myself. DE's in gw2 are just kill x, gather x, go to x, quests presented a different way.
quests are still viable imo. they've just become to trivial and meaningless. give me a quest that is an actual QUEST. make me travel a great distance. make the quest take days to complete. make me complete many smaller quests in order to complete the main quest.
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Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/21/11
Mmo pve needs a radical reworking.
It's very boring compared to single player games like skyrim, dishonoured & farcry 3.
I'd give a partial exception to tsw with its multistage 20 minute long one at a time quests and for bringing in puzzle and stealth elements and dropping quest hubs like gw2. Unfortunately end game was same old same old as were the item quests.
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Joined: 1/04/05
People want something else but when they don't know what it is, it is hard to design for.
Nothing wrong with quests at all. I just think people come in and react, 'Oh, another WoW clone' without really trying to experience the rest of the game. I think exploration and quests (non-linear) work out well.
People want to affect the world with quests would be hard because the system to be to complicated to code as ti would affect everything. That is why sandbox games, which people seem to thrive on (within this forum) are so simple as to be utterly boring. I have played a few.
Just my $0.02 to put in.
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Joined: 1/04/05
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Yes but with Single player game - the rest of the environment, etc is run by the computer. It only has to take in one person's input and deal with that. THink if there were hundreds or thousands of interactions like that. It is just impossible to code for right now.
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Joined: 6/11/08
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I think quests are fine, but I've gotten to the point with the quest hub design that if I can't load up on quests and hit my targets without having to read anything, I don't want to do it. The quests aren't going to be interesting, so at least let me finish them quickly.
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Joined: 8/21/04
Logic be damned!
I'd like to see "quests" as they exist now in your standard themepark MMO go away completely.
Quest hub grinding is very tedius and boring IMO.
I like having a main story line - something akin to GW2 personal story or SWTOR class quests - but they need a LOT of work to catch up to the story many single player RPG's are presenting.
Something that is pretty much completely seperate from the rest of the game. We all know it's primarily going to be done as a "single player" experience - why even pretend?
Make a high quality 40-80 hour single-player-RPG worthy storyline you can bring 1-3 friends with you if you want.
Beyond that I like daily/weekly/monthly objectives. Just give lots and lots of variety - dozen or more different "groups" at the same level range.
Would also be nice to have rotations or a complete change after a month or two/three. Advance the story of the game world via these daily/weekly/monthly quest arcs.
I also like seasonal/holiday events. Few weeks per event though, nothing too much longer than that.
Between the shifting dailies/weeklies/monthlies and seasonal/holiday events, lots of changes in the world - keeps things fresh.
Also give me tons of instanced dungeons and raids, all through the leveling process and at end-game with tiers of difficulty and lots of accessibility.
But also give me entire zones (large areas) of group-only kind of old-school grind content. Let me form up with a party and grind mobs for a while in addition to everything else. Allow kills to drop tokens used to spawn mini bosses for your group with better loot, and then allow these mini bosses to drop tokens used to spawn bosses for my group.
And then give me huge, wide open large (massive) swaths of land with powerful creatures that roam it, tons of caves and temples and open world dungeons etc. to explore solo and/or with a group, and rare crafting materials to hunt for.
I've probably been lurking for way, way too long.
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Joined: 11/30/11
MY experiance in GW2 was that the game felt very grindy because of the new questing system. thats the main take away i had from the game. i also only had 4 days of gameplay to tinker with it.
Because i can.
Elite Member
Joined: 9/27/11
World > Quest Progression
Quests are a great concept but the term and it's meaning have been abused. Have thousands of "tasks" if you want but leave "quests" to multi-tiered and story uncovering affairs. Not "the" story but just a story within the game. If you offer thousands of "farmer Joe needs carrots from those pesky goblins who stole them" tasks then when you get a quests with substance you'll recognize it. Farmer Joe may give you 30c but steps in real quests may give you a valuable crafting metal or a spell creating item. If there are 5,000 tasks in a game put 500 quests that have depth and purpose. Have the length and reward be obviously different and carry it farther than one specific area.
Which brings me to my next point. If you offer more generic but valuable rewards for real quests then you shouldn't have a problem intermixing with others along the way. City influence or faction is anothe way of equally rewarding players regardless of class or want. This goes hand in hand with skill based or adjusted levels but that's for another discussion.
I like to use the LoTR analogy. Looking for Kingsfoil to heal Frodo was a task, Frodo getting the one ring to Mount Doom and destroying it was a quest.
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I'd rather see non-story / non-personal quests.
I don't like having to kill goblins in order to find Grandma's ring. I don't like choosing between Heavy Boots or Medium Boots as a reward.
I personally would rather experience gigantic faction quests that eveyrone works toward. For example, The Qeynos Empire needs to fulfill the following city quotas:
I don't know... quests like the above. Lore in a game is fine. But when my character is "part of the lore" is just cheesy. If I want to be special throughout the community, I want to earn it by being able to craft the best goods or being known as a very good enemy player killer.
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Joined: 1/15/11
In some games I like questing and others I do not. I like long quest chains that end with something large to get done or with a nice story line attatched to it, but do not like little go fetch quests just to have some filler.
I like quests to have actual rewards rather than just pocket change and crappy pair of boots. A reward like unlocking a skill or choosing a quest to study a line of skills within the class I have started out with would be alot more interesting. Making questing more of an adventure then just doing it mindlessly to get exp is what they need to focus on.
If they tie in questing to the develoment of my character, it gives meaning to actually doing the quests.
Novice Member
Joined: 11/30/11
I enjoy the way TSW set them up. You can easily tell which is a chain mission and which was just a quick finish. Also in it you are not "part of the lore" the lore is a secondary entity enwhich you can read a learn. they say it right up from. "don't go thinking your some chosen one, your just part of an army, a large army"
Because i can.
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Joined: 12/21/07
The most viable way is to completely go away from the MMO virtual world concept and run quests only in instances. Think about something like Diablo 3 or Borderlands.
A particular player is running the quest, and everyone else is a helper (who can also recieve rewards). So there is no conflict in the stories.
In that case, you can have as deep, and as long a story as needed.
Advanced Member
Joined: 3/10/11
I like quests so long as they aren't the only thing to do. I think they should be more difficult and take more tiime then the current crop of quests are. Maybe only having 2-3 quests at a time and they take long to accomplish and you get more exp and better loot then usual...making them more significant. Endless quest grinding kill x of y is boring.
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Joined: 11/21/11
If planetside 2 can do pvp a fresh rather than the bullshit were had for the last 8 years, why can't another themepark mmo do the same with pve. Gw2 was a good attempt but it got almost as repetitive as the wow clones it was trying to avoid being like, tsw had some good ideas too, especially with the way each quest was like a 20-30 min little adventure and the stealth stuff. We've been basicly playing the same pve in every mmo since eq2, its just to repetitive now. It needs to evolve or perhaps have a reinvention of the old school pve from ac, daoc & EQ.
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Joined: 9/07/10
"There is no progress. Everything is the same as it was. Form changes. The essence does not." RLS
Quests should still exist, however....
They should be long streching arches and there should not be too many of them (no more quest hubs, those dont make sense to me)
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Joined: 1/12/06
I got an example but not sure if anyone actually would like it.
1) A Gigantic City full of merchants, stores and guilds, and everyone that is spawned is there.
2) When you want to go outside, there are Huge Over Arching Quests for you to choose from, for example: Food for the Army, Explore an Cave or Sabotage Enemy....etc
3) You choose your skills and Gear from Various of collected Gears to challenge the Quest.
4) Once you choose, everyone whom choosen the same thing is in the same world, doing various part of that Huge Quest, where there is an Gauge to see which part is at 100% , so lets say there is 10 different activities involved in this Huge Quest, 4 of them is at 100%, there are 3 that are at 5%, you can do what you want, but if everything is at 100% there is an special quest to defeat an big boss, an Raid event opens up.
5) The Huge Over Arching Quests changes once the Big boss is defeated
6) Each Success Quest pushes the Main Plot.
7) Like an Army being marched across the Country to battle an NPC. And the success and Failures of your City changes the Meter of success against this Evil in the world.
8) And since this is an MMO, Twists and Turns and Surprise Plots should be the Norm, like an Soap Opera, just when you thought the end Boss is near, something Happens. Thats why Soaps lasts for years.
9) Then thrown in the No Quest Hub and Instant Max Level, and Political system, the purpose is now moving the plot forward and see whats happening. No Gear , Level Grind, Its more of an Plot Grind.
I think in this kind of scenarios, everyone is part of the world, Moving the Plot forward. Everyone is Participating. Guilds are an Important factor for success. And gear is no longer an issue.
And the World is now Larger, and everyone in that same place you are, they are all doing the same quest or moving the same quest forward.
I think this could be a step forward.
PS: For those that wants PVP, its also easily made for Fighting Cities Hubs, Where they will be competing against each other, and those that fails gets pushed toward the Harms way, while those that succeeded gets better.
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Joined: 5/13/11
theyre fine, but should not be the main focus imo.

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looking good. did it take long to put together and did you need any special tools?
looking good. did it take long to put together and did you need any special tools?
Umm, sort of. It was about two weeks, in three couple hour sessions (interuptions due to kids school year end events, etc.). Slow mainly because the instructions as still in flux, and the only real documentation is the assembly videos which were not 100% accurate due to minor design changes.
The video are here... Assembly Videos - Printrbot Wiki
The Printrbot.com folks are still having growing pains due to difficulty with the various suppliers and ramping up from 100 kits to over 400+. I'd wait for a few more months before ordering. That way they'll have time to A) work out the bug in the supply chain, B) Get the new mini- and Large model refines, C) Get better build documentation created. They have also talked about eventually selling completely assembled one at some point.
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Glad to see you got it going.
Looks like it would be easy to expand later if you wanted to.
Actually people who bought these (hint, hint ) need to start printing out the plastic parts to sell to others, and make a list of the metal parts needed, this way someone can put one together and only needs to buy things like the circuit boards and maybe the motors from PrintBot.
Isn't that what these things were originally made for?
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I have a Solidoodle ordered for a non-gun project. It's supposed to ship the last week in June. When I get the time I'll print out that AR mag and post some close-up pictures.
3D printers are crap. Just toys for idiot nerds. Way too limited, way too flaky.
Plastic parts make good cores for making your casting molds. Jay Leno uses a scanner and 3D printer to make his own replica car parts for some of his classic cars. Autozone don't exactly stock an exhaust manifold for anything before WWI.... He scans the part he does have into a 3D model, draws in the missing pieces, then prints out a prototype to check for fit. He then uses it to make a casting mold, or sends the program to his CNC center to mill it out of solid material.
My friend has a Makerbot.
So far he has just made some toys for his kids.
Mostly I see the real drawback is just not enough variations in the polymers available to extrude. ABS is pretty brittle.
That said, I'm going to get him to try printing a 10 round AR mag.
Maybe not.
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Buckeye Beer now available in cansWritten by Staff Reports | | email@example.com
By Dave Kubacki
For the past 42 years, cans of Buckeye Beer have been found in display cases more often than refrigerators. But amid renewed interest in canning in the craft beer industry, Maumee Bay Brewing Company has brought the historic pilsner back to its canned roots with the help of Buckeye Canning.
Buckeye Beer, characterized as a Czech pilsner according to the magazine and website BeerAdvocate, is known for its sparkling dry taste and rich in Toledo tradition, dating back 175 years. The light craft beer has an alcohol by volume of 5.2 percent.
Oliver House General Manager Neal Kovacik said Toledo and Buckeye Beer have been together since the beginning.
"Buckeye Beer has been in Toledo since 1838," Kovacik said. "In 1971, Miller Brewing came and bought out Buckeye Beer to produce it. It was reported that they bought it for the recipe and that the recipe somehow figured into the base recipe for Miller Lite. In 1994, Oliver House owner Jim Appold bought back the label from Miller and starting producing Buckeye again. It is a product of the second oldest brewery in the country. The brewery doesn't still exist, but the beer does. It actually started being brewed the year after Toledo became a city."
With nationally renowned breweries like Avery Brewing Company, Bell's Brewery, Brewery Vivant and The Alchemist at the forefront of the canning revolution, more and more breweries are looking at starting or returning to canning.
According to Kovacik, cans are gaining momentum because of some important identifiable advantages.
"Some breweries are actually exclusively using cans," Kovacik said. "In a lot of ways, it is a better way to package the beer. The light will never get into the can to deteriorate the beer. A can seems to keep the beer cooler. The new cans also have coating on the inside where the beer never touches the metal. It's nothing against glass whatsoever. We will always put beer in bottles, but there is a certain segment of the public that wants to have cans."
Maumee Bay Brewing Co. Brewery Manager Shannon Mohr agreed, citing even more global advantages to canning beer.
"Canning is really the trend in craft beer right now," Mohr said. "There are obvious environmental benefits and administrative benefits as it is a lot less expensive to ship."
For the first run of Buckeye Beer cans in 42 years, Maumee Bay Brewing Co. worked with local mobile canning company Buckeye Canning. To can the product, Buckeye Canning rolls a 300-pound unit into the brewery, hooks directly into the brewery's hoses and starts running cans. Kovacik said Maumee Bay Brewing Co. may eventually look into doing its own canning.
"Our intention is to buy our own canning system eventually, but we hired a local canning operation to come in and do it one, two or three times," Kovacik said. "First, we wanted to see how canning was done and, second, we wanted to gauge the acceptance of cans locally. So far, it is going very well."
With a name like Buckeye Beer, this may have been the perfect time of the year to release the craft beer in cans, Kovacik said.
"Buckeye Beer for Ohio State fans is really catching on," Kovacik said. "There is a lot of interest out there for this beer. I have had people calling me to tell me that they have seen it in the newspaper or on the television. I know that I have to have it available in the brewpub if I know there is an Ohio State game the coming weekend."
Buckeye Beer is currently available in six-packs at the Oliver House's Maumee Bay Brew Pub, but Kovacik said Maumee Bay Brewing Co.'s distributor recently started picking up the beer, which means it should be available at retail outlets soon for around $6.99.
It's been a big year for Maumee Bay Brewing Co. Earlier this year, the company released three of its brewpub favorites in bottles: India Pale Ale (IPA), Amarillo Brillo Double IPA and Total Eclipse Breakfast Stout.
Tags: Amarillo Brillo Double IPA, Avery Brewing Company, Bell's Brewery, Brewery Vivant, Buckeye Beer, Buckeye Canning, Czech pilsner, India Pale Ale, Maumee Bay Brewing Company, Miller Lite, Oliver House General Manager Neal Kovacik, Oliver House owner Jim Appold, Oliver House's Maumee Bay Brew Pub, The Alchemist, Total Eclipse Breakfast Stout


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An Aiken woman was detained for disorderly conduct on Friday after reportedly causing a disturbance in the common area of the Aiken Regional Medical Centers emergency room.
Melissa Jean Bratcher, 42, of Old Friar Road, also kept unbuckling her seat belt and banging her head against the cage inside an Aiken Public Safety patrol car while being transported to the Aiken County detention center, according to a report.
Bratcher was "being loud and cursing" in the common area of the emergency room about 1 a.m. Friday, and her disturbance reportedly kept two patients from receiving medical care. Officers said she smelled strongly of alcohol, was uncooperative with them and kept using curse words toward hospital staff.
Bratcher threw herself to the ground outside as deputies escorted her to a patrol car, and she reportedly unbuckled her seat belt in the car and began banging her head against the prisoner cage, repeatedly, according to the report.
She kicked an officer who was applying a hobble restraint, and while en route to the detention center, unbuckled the seat belt and began banging her head against the cage again, according to the report.
An officer had to ride in the backseat with Bratcher to prevent her from getting out of the seat belt again.
Bratcher was charged with disorderly conduct and gross intoxication.
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"It was a tough budget, but we got through it," he said.
The county did give the Harnett County Schools an increase of $250,000 and there were no cost-of-living adjustments or changes to health care for the county employees, Burns said.
The county just eliminated its economic development department — including a director, assistant director and administrative assistant — in this year's budget, which will be continued in the 2013-2014 year, Burns said.
"We did away with that in this current budget," he said. "We eliminated that department and assigned those economic development duties to the county manager's office. … In total savings, it was roughly $302,000 for the county."
Chatham County approved its $92.6 million budget in mid-June, according to Chatham County Director of Community Relations Debra Henzey, which includes a 4 percent increase from the current year's budget. The property tax remained at 62.19 cents.
"The (Chatham County Board of) Commissioners did not make any big revisions to what the manager proposed, but the budget includes some big things."
The budget includes a 3 percent salary increase for all employees, 4 percent increase to Central Carolina Community College and $21.8 million to the Chatham County schools. With regard to public safety, Henzey said the budget will include $600,000 for the Chatham County Sheriff's Office to staff the new jail and nearly $100,000 for fur new telecommunicators in the 911 call center.
Moore County's $128 million budget was approved earlier this month and the property tax rate — 46.5 cents per $100 valuation — remained the same, according to Moore County Manager Wayne Vest.
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- Nuclear matter, that takes the form of protons and neutrons under normal conditions, is subject to a phase transition at high temperatures and densities, liberating the quarks and gluons that are usually confined in nucleons and creating a medium of free partons: the Quark-Gluon-Plasma. It is generally believed that this state of matter can be created in relativistic collisions of heavy nuclei. The study of the medium created in these collisions is the subject of heavy-ion physics. One topic within this field are particles with high transverse momentum, that are created in initial hard collisions between partons of the incoming nuclei. The energetic partons lose energy due to interactions with the medium before they fragment into a jet of hadrons. Due to momentum conservation, these jets are usually created as back-to-back pairs, or less commonly as three-jet or photon-jet events, where a single jet is balanced by a hard photon. The energy loss can be measured using correlations between particles with high transverse momenta. A trigger particle is selected with very high transversemomentum and the distribution of the azimuthal angle of associated particles in the same event is studied, relative to the azimuth of the trigger particle.These azimuthal correlations show a peak for opening angles around 0 from particles selected from the same jet, and a second peak at opening angles around 180 degrees from back-to-back di-jets. Random combinations with the underlying event generate a flat background, extending over the full range of opening angles. The STAR experiment observed a modification of these correlations in central Au+Au collisions, where trigger particles with 4GeV < pT(trigger) < 6GeV and associated particles with 2GeV < pT(trigger) < 4GeV were selected. A strong suppression has been observed for away-side correlations in central Au+Au collisions, relative to p+p, d+Au and peripheral Au+Au data. This can be explained by assuming two partons going in opposite directions, where at least one has to travel a large distance through the medium, causing energy loss and effectively removing the event from the analysis. For near-side correlations, no significant modification has been observed, which can be explained by surface emission, assuming that the observed jets have travelled only a short distance in themedium, not leaving enough time for interactions with the medium. Both trigger- and associated particles in a correlation analysis with charged hadrons are subject to modifications due to the medium. This can be avoided by using photon-jet events instead of di-jets, because the photon does not interact with the medium and therefore provides the best available measure of the properties of the opposite jet in the presence of the underlying event. This thesis studies azimuthal correlations between regions of high energy deposition in the electro-magnetic calorimeter as trigger- and charged tracks as associated particles. The data sample had been enriched by online event selection, allowing for the selection of trigger particles with a transverse energy of more than 10GeV and associated particles with more than 2,3 or 4 GeV. The away-side yield per trigger particle is strongly suppressed like in correlations between charged particles. The near-side yield is also reduced by about a factor two, clearly different from charged correlations. The trigger particles are a mixture of photon pairs from the decays of neutral pions and single photons, mainly from photon-jet events, with small contributions from other hadron decays and fragmentation photons. Pythia simulations predict a ratio of neutral pions to prompt photons of 3.5:1 in p+p collisions with the same cuts as in the presented analysis. Single particle suppression further reduces this ratio in central Au_Au collisions, down to about 0.8:1, indicating that the majority of trigger particles in central Au+Au collisions are prompt photons. The increasing fraction of prompt photon triggers without an accompanying jet and therefore zero associated yield reduces the average yield per trigger particle. The magnitude of the observed effect agrees well with the expectation from Pythia simulations and the assumption of a single particle suppression by a factor 4-5. An analysis of away-side correlations is more difficult, because both photon-jet and di-jet events contribute. The aim is the separation of these two contributions. As a clear separation is not possible with the available dataset, a comparison with two different scenarios is given, where a surprisingly small suppression by only a factor of about 5 is favoured for both dijet- and photon-jet-correlations. A separate measurement of both contributions will be possible by a shower-shape analysis with the EM calorimeter or a comparison with charged correlations in the same kinematic region.


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I have decided that I will walk away from this thread.
My overall decision comes from trawling through pages and pages of past allegations and investigations.
They all start with an optimistic swing and then rapidly turn into page after page of total gibberish!
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Daves posting, (My advice to you with respect, is to walk away let him get on with his own business, and you do the same) highlights the[/FONT][FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Whole Futility [/FONT][FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']of the BS forum. [/FONT]
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With this, the responsibility the originator of the investigation (you) has increased.
You bring evidence. You bring transparency regarding your relationship/interest in the issue.
If the ball gets rolling, an interested third party (more experienced forum member) may decide to lend a hand.
Bottom line? The thread title might be putting people off. Seriously, Uncle Albert? Should I google that? Your thread title shows your intentions. If your title had been "Looking for information regarding etc etc in (Location)" then you'd probably have got more response.
Your inability or unwillingness to answer simple questions regarding your relationship (or otherwise) convincingly make you look like you have an axe to grind and are expecting someone to do the dirty work for you.
If this isn't the case, then perhaps you need to be more convincing.
Walking away (your phrase) makes it look like you've failed in some kind of smear campaign because no-one bought it.
If you cared enough to make this thread, perhaps you should care enough to try harder, and present something like evidence and see if anyone wants to help you out.
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MABS works when YOU work. You were shown exactly what to do and you balked.
MABS works fine you don't.
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Many of us would be happy to help you.
However, I think that you are hiding your true motives for starting this.
Then lets look at your posting style.
In your OP you just copy and pasted something so we have to read through the font types.
Not a good sign.
Secondly, after being questioned, (and not hard questioning) by a well known emember of this forum you began posting in large size, bold font.
Again, not a good sign.
This makes you look like a troll.
If you want help, then tell us why you are concerned with the guy, and how you know him. If you cant do that, then "walk away".
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This post has only recently come to our attention and to read this rubbish about Hanshi Benfell is unbelievable.
I would question the so called evidence that this baimei has that questions any of Hanshi Benfell's grades or training lineage.
Sadly, Hanshi Benfell (10th Dan) passed away in October of last year so he can not answer these allegations for himself.
However, we at the Ryukyu Association of Karate & Gung fu would be very happy to discuss these allegations in person at our Dojo at anytime.
Please feel free to contact us via our web site or alternatively post a full apology and withdraw your allegations immediately.
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Mr. Womble was born Dec. 3, 1938, in Southhampton, Va., and had lived in the Middle Georgia area for the past 30 years. He was the son of the late Cecil Elmer Womble and Beatrice Evay Beale Womble and was a member of Pitts Chapel United Methodist Church. Mr. Womble was a retired machinist for Brown and Williamson Tobacco Corporation.
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While I agree that Apple's services suck and need an overhaul, I don't agree with the frequent imagining people do of a future without file hierarchies. It simply won't work. Have you ever tried to organize thousands of papers on your desk without using a file cabinet or folders? Good luck.
The fact is that almost everybody, even "non-power users", do too much in too many different places to not use a hierarchy. I'd rather not mix all of my work files and personal stuff, thanks.
So what's the newer, better think you speak of? Without any world-changing proposals, I don't think it exists in the near future.
I'd much rather see apple do something along the lines of your Files.app global-access repository (where I can manage my own hierarchy, thanks). Of course, I actually want Dropbox to do it since Apple's cross-platform support is nil.


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"Harvey" is directed by Wando drama teacher Christine Kowert, and features a striking set designed by technical director Joshua Hasty. Elwood is brought to life by senior Andrew Mackintosh, with support from seniors Madison Latham as Veta, Rachel Edwards as Myrtle, Noah Kelly as Dr. Sanderson, Kristin Stottler as Kelly, Joseph Landing as Dr. Chumly and Javaron Conyers as Judge Gaffney. Also in the cast are seniors Nathan Quezada, Haley Thomas, Harry Barnes, junior Shea Stanley and freshman Mackenzie Fowler. Senior Margaret McCurry is stage manager, with assistance from senior Sean Barnett.
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— Emily Ward, a pitcher for the Lady Eagles, graduated in 2011, not 2012.
— Melissa Macon, a senior, elected not to play softball this season.
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When "karate" was still in Okinawa, there were no belts. Once "karate" came to japan the idea of belts donating rank came from Judo. Kano Jigoro used white and black. Either you were a beginner or a black belt. Karate people took this idea while organizing and systemizing their Okinawan karate.
In Karate the red belt is the highest belt recieved; However I've been told the TKD athourities put their red belt BELOW black as a slap in the face to the Japanese! :-/
I seem to have spent more time debating grades in Martial Arts than anything else which is sad really. This said, grade sequence and rationale does fascinate me. I just try to avoid all debates about methods and standards.
I have a file somewhere on the grading sequences of various schools or styles. My favourite is Capoeira (which I've never studied). The school concerned had a grading sequence like most other Martial Arts do BUT the belt is replaced by a cord. They have clear progression and indeed a teaching grade, equivalent to 1st Dan. However the cord colour is green, yellow and blue. Master level is green and white and grand master is white. This means the benefits of the grading system remains but all the ego associated with the Black Belt is gone.
I do find it funny that we have all these coloured belts for kyu grades and then black for dan grades. I do the point of a grading system of multiple levels but I wonder if if should work something like starting with a white belt with (say) 8 stripes and remove a stripe for each grade so that the stripes represent your kyu grade. Then carry on black with dan stripes as we do now. OR reverse black and white so that we start with black and work toward white.
I would add that I do believe in Dan stripes if only for practicality reasons; so that you know where to line up! If you dispense with dan stripes then why not dispense with coloured belts too? Oh hang on, isn't that where we started?
In Karate the red belt is the highest belt recieved
I think that depends on the style. I've never seen/heard anyone in Shotokan Karate wearing a red belt.
I have however seen it in some of the American 'Karate' systems that are a step away from the Japanese systems developed 1920-1970ish.
Some good posts, but this I would say is a debate as to what is correct and what isn't. To bring this Thread back in line it is more about the ethos and the thinking behind chosing the belt colours predominately of the Kyu/Gup Grades as opposed to the Dan Grades,
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In Tae Kwon Do they've got these colours, half-belts / stripe belts are in betweenWhite: to signify innocence and no knowledge of the style Yellow: signifies earth, foundation level, plant your seed of knowledge in it Green: plant's growth as your skills develop Blue: heavens to which the plant's growing Red: signify danger as the skills develop but to also caution the student themselves to exercise care and control Black: opposite of white, also impervious to darkness and fear (I guess this means being cool headed and still making the right choices ) Use roman numerals or bars for dan grades 1 to 9. Schools in the system that do award junior blackbelts give them a blackbelt with a white stripe through the centre.
Generally I think the colours are chosen simply because they get darker as one progresses toward black belt. I've never heard of any specific meaning attached to the colours themselves other than that. The whole thing originates from handicaps in swimming of course where the best swimmers wore a black ribbon. That's where Kano took the idea of the black belt from. The colours were added over time to mark the intermediate stages.
I think we need to be careful about retrofitting a rationale and symbolism for the belt system which was never there originally. We have what we have because Kano lifted an idea from swimming and colours were added for intermediate ranks later on. No great thought behind it other than that, and although a meaning may be attributed later, it was not there originally.
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I have gone to the white, green, brown, black belt system in my dojo in hopes to keep the focus on training and less on the cotton around their waste. Would anyone do away with a belt system at all if you had the chance?
Would anyone do away with a belt system at all if you had the chance?
I pretty much have for my own training. I haven't worn a gi in about six months or so and honestly doubt I'll wear one again aside from special occasions. I think the point you highlighted is a big mark against the belt system in that it can be a distraction from the acquisition of practical skills.
I can't verify the style, but I was in Okinawa a few months ago and visited a local dojo. The master instructor wore a red belt. Made me very happy that I didn't go in my uniform, with my red belt!! (Shaolin Kempo Karate - Assistant Instructors wear red)
I also spoke to an American that had been studying at that studio for some 14 years and the topic of belts came up; he said they serve two purposes, to let others know your approximate level, and more importantly, to keep your uniform top closed :)
we use white, green, beown, back and it works well - I give a stripe out now and again to keep them thinking..................................LOL.
I would never do without a grade system because there are too many positives to it. But yes, I would gladly do without the Black Belt (or indeed belts generally, grade 1, grade 2 etc work for me)
Hello all,
I am not a Karate man so I am not sure if this information relates to Karate, although I suspect it does.
Credit for the creation of the belt ranking system is usually given to Kawaishi Minosuke who was a student of Kano Jigoro and is largely responsible for the spread of Judo/Jujutsu to Europe. Kawaishi found that teaching Europeans required a different approach to teaching the Japanese and thus began to systematise his Judo/Jujutsu teaching to suit his new students. This systematisation lead to teh Kawaishi system of Judo being essentially 'Judo by numbers' as he used a numbering system to categorise techniques. This system is still used by some Jujutsu schools today, who can trace their origins back to post war Europe.
As part of this systematisation Kawaishi began using coloured belts to denote rank. I believe that in his earlier works he listed the belt order as follows: white, yellow, blue, green, orange, purple, black or something similar. i may be wrong about this order as I do not have his book at hand, but regardless it was different to the modern Judo colours. L The belt ordering system commonly attributed to Kawaishi today is; white, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown, black, however some schools omit orange or use purple interchangeably with brown. This is common throughout Judo and many other arts today.
Why the change in colour order?
Well, I have a theory on this! The belt system was really introduced aroud the time of WWII, which meant that many people were not in the best finncial position. For this reason I suspect that the white belt, which would have been made, along with the gi, by someone's mother or wife who was handy with a needle and thread, was dyed a new colour with the attainment of a new rank. For this reason the colours needed to become progressively darker. Evidence of this can be found in the "Cherry Blossom" school of Jujutsu in the Netherlands, whom I believe maintained the original Kawaishi colours longer than most as they denoted rank by changing the colour of a flower on their badge rather than changing belts. Anyone who was training before about 1960 can attest to the fact that most gi's were made by mothers and/or wives of the practitioners.
I contacted the head of the 'Cherry Blossom" school before Christmas, regarding this and other issues, and am hoping to hear from him sometime soon. I will let you know how I progress.
Dale Elsdon
White, blue, yellow, green, brown & black for me.
Nothing mystical, nothing complex. Just used to provide incentive and short, medium, long-term goals.
I tend to further divide the grades into 'Preparation' - learning the skills, 'Training' - making the skills stronger and reliable, then 'Execution' - application under pressure.
As I style what I teach as a combat sport, not Budo or SP, 'pressure' means being effective against stronger or more experienced opponents within the rules, not SP scenario's in armour etc.
Why the change in colour order?
Well, I have a theory on this! The belt system was really introduced aroud the time of WWII, which meant that many people were not in the best finncial position. For this reason I suspect that the white belt, which would have been made, along with the gi, by someone's mother or wife who was handy with a needle and thread, was dyed a new colour with the attainment of a new rank. For this reason the colours needed to become progressively darker. [...] Anyone who was training before about 1960 can attest to the fact that most gi's were made by mothers and/or wives of the practitioners.
Hi, just read through this old thread.
The idea that people dyed their belts a new colour with new rank, so they would not have to buy a new belt, sounds interesting.
Any more findings on that theory?
By the way, I recently wrote down some thoughts on the use of belt colours in karate (or judo or ...). It is specifically about belt colours and not about ranks.
If you like, you can read it at: http://www.kata-karate.de/index.php/karate-guertelfarben/en
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Adoption of the kyu/dan ranking system and a standardized practice uniform were 2 of the 4 conditions imposed by the Butokukai for the recognition of karate as a "real" budo in 1937. Funakishi had adopted the system somewhat earlier, awarding the first karate shodan ranks to Tokuda, Otsuka, Akiba, Shimizu, Hirose, Gima, and Kasuya on April 10, 1924.
Some Okinawan instructors had apparently taken to wearing black sashes or obis in the '20s and '30s (there's a photo of Choki Motobu wearing a black sash that was more like the obi worn with a formal kimono than a modern karate/judo obi dating from the mid-1920s), but in general there was no standard uniform, and dan rankings weren't widey used on Okinawa until the '30s.
As others have noted, the rank system was introduced in Judo by Kano in 1883 when he awarded the first two shodan ranks to Saito and Tomita. He adopted the ranking system from the Japanese game of go, which had used it since the early 17th Century. The dan ranks were based on the <i>Pin Zhi</i> ranks used for the game in China since the 2nd Century, and is thought to have been originally patterned after the ranking system for Imperial Chinese civil servants. There is some dispute over whether there was originally an external indication of ranks in Judo, since the modern judogi had not been introduced at that point and students trained in formal kimono. Some sources claim that black and white sashes were used then, some disagree. Kano introduced the modern keikogi in 1907, and definitely chose at that point to differentiate kyu and dan-level ranks with white and black belts.
Other colors have been added over the years by various arts/style and have no meaning outside of a particular system. Okinawan karate styles tend to use the red belt to signify either 10th Dan or head of a given style (where that person holds a rank lower than 10th Dan), but the practice isn't universal. Other systems (mainly Korean) may use it to signify a kyu/gup rank. I doubt if any insult is intended. Modern Judo optionally uses red or red and white to signify high Dan ranks (red and white = 6th-8th Dan, solid red = 9th-10th Dan) but many high ranking practitioners just wear black.
Any symbolic meanings attached to various colors is purely a modern invention. That doesn't mean the symbolism isn't valid, it just means that it isn't some ancient mystical tradition. Stories that claim that the color scheme derives from progressive darkening of the obi over time are pure fiction (and not very good fiction at that).


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My Grandpa said that if you can't talk **** about someone, then they're not worth talking about. I have nothing to say about JNP.
Jnp and I have not lived in the same city since he went away to become a Marine many moons (and suns) ago. So I dont have too many stories of bravado outside of him "spartanizing" me, but I remember this one off hand:
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When we were probably 18 and 16 we went to haz a cheezburger at Whataburger and two dudes were standing at the drive thru window talking to a girlfriend or whatever (cuz they apparently didnt order any food).
After a few seconds they looked up and Jnp gave them the "whats up, whats going on?" questioning gesticulation- and they give him some attitude. Mind you, they were both just teenagers as well, or maybe 20, but they werent young (as me), or small.
So he gets out and I dont have my shoes on so I scramble to do that (unworried of course, but getting going), and he asks them to just let us get our food sternly yet politely, and I hear some "blah blah" that apparently wasnt too friendly.
Before I put the first foot out the door Jnp has them both by the throat and he is telling them that they are leaving. As I came out of the truck one of them jumped back and proceeded to wisely move towards the road and the other grabbed Jnp's hand and acted like he could get away.
He found himself attached to Jnp's phalanges for another second, he must have been the one who responded impolitely.
I cant remember if he said anything else after John let him go but he stood there for a second like he hated to back down, then went ahead and moved on to join his friend -sans food which validates our assertion of "wtf are they standing in the drivethru for?", which is not how he addressed them.
Jnp was so nonchalant during the whole thing it was hilarious walking up seeing him holding them like a couple of dolls suspended in midair- it made up for the non event of an ending.
I dont think this is the only throat grabbing incident either!
REALLY??? Who the f grabs people by the throat and doesnt get thrown?
Jnp does.
No harm, no foul. Just a couple of burgers and strangle holds to go plz.
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We are committed to Responsible Gambling and have a number of self-help tools to help you manage your gambling. We also work with a number of independent charitable organisations who can offer help or answer any questions you may have.
Customers in the United Kingdom: Sky Bet, Sky Casino, Sky Bingo, Sky Poker and Sky Vegas are licensed and regulated by the Gambling Commission (Licence number 38718).
All other customers: Sky Bet, Sky Casino, Sky Bingo, Sky Poker and Sky Vegas are licensed and regulated by the AGCC.
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